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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,095 West Yorkshire Police. What's the emergency? 2 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,255 MAN: Hello, mate. We're a skip hire, waste management company. 3 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,135 We've just found human remains. 4 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,135 They've just found a foot, mate. A human foot? 5 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,895 Yep, yep. Been through a shredder. 6 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:05,735 NICOLA WALKER: With officers en route, 7 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,495 the call is immediately referred 8 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,895 to West Yorkshire Police forensic teams. 9 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,895 Leeds CSI, Alicia speaking. 10 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,895 'I've got officers at a recycling unit in Yorkshire. 11 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:17,775 'They've found a body part.' 12 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,375 Crime scene manager Alicia is one of two CSls on duty. 13 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,135 Whiskey-Romeo-nine-five? 14 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,575 Alicia and a police rapid response team are immediately dispatched. 15 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:36,815 All right. Thank you. 16 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,895 SIRENS WAIL 17 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,615 At the scene, the forensic team head to where 18 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,455 the suspected human foot has been found, 19 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,975 amid thousands of kilograms of rubbish. 20 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,055 The team are in no doubt about what they have found. 21 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,655 The human foot is placed into a secure evidence box. 22 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,575 KAREN: Right, these are all sorted. 23 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,935 We're just going to pop them into this other bag, aren't we? 24 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:36,415 Hiya, Pete, it's Alicia. 25 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:37,975 So, KMW2. 26 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,215 I'll just confirm. Wet and dry swab of left foot, right side. 27 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,775 OK. Ancl that was seized at 14:39. 28 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,615 The team now need to consider if more body parts 29 00:02:50,640 --> 00:02:51,775 might be amongst the waste. 30 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,175 Identification of the remains is now a priority. 31 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,535 A specialist police search team, PolSA, have arrived 32 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,895 to scour this vast site. 33 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:05,695 Steve Austin is the area forensic manager 34 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,215 assigned to the case. 35 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,415 One of the challenges we're going to be met with at this recycling plant 36 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:14,095 is the vast amount of waste that goes through it. 37 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,375 I recognise that we could potentially have 38 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,255 a lot of animal waste, 39 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,815 a lot of food waste that will include bones and flesh. 40 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,255 There will be a PolSA team down there, 41 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,335 and it will be a case of us 42 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,175 working together in order to look for any body parts, 43 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,015 to piece the body back together as much as we can. 44 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,335 Once they drop stuff in there, then they'll just go back in 45 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:40,815 and scoop it up and bring it back out. OK. 46 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,175 The senior investigating officer 47 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,375 is Detective Superintendent Tony Nicholson. 48 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,135 I've been called about this set of circumstances, 49 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,255 but one thing I do know is that my best friend today, 50 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,055 and probably for every other type of job that I get called about, 51 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,775 will be the area forensic manager, who'll be able to advise me, 52 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,775 with significant subject matter expertise, 53 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,575 around the scene management, the scene preservation 54 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:07,935 and evidential recovery. 55 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,295 But they're also a gatekeeper 56 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,695 into a lot of other specialist, scientific roles, 57 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,855 which are going to be, I think, in this case, particularly crucial. 58 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,895 Minute by minute, the crime scene investigators 59 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,535 keep the Homicide and Major Enquiry Team informed 60 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,895 of every discovery on site. 61 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,255 Mr Nicholson. Hiya, pal. How are you doing? 62 00:04:28,280 --> 00:04:29,775 Can you do me a big favour, please? 63 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,535 Would you mind... Review the log for us. 64 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,895 Give us some consideration around CCTV parameters. 65 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,415 We'll have a briefing when I get back. 66 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,455 But can you just have a look at the bin companies who've used that site, 67 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,975 and then we'll see what the extent of those collections are. 68 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,895 What's your thoughts at this stage? 69 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,735 Are we thinking body dumped there, or are we looking at potentially 70 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,495 it's been brought to the site as part of the skip deposition? 71 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,415 Yeah, really difficult. No idea, quite frankly, at the moment. 72 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:58,575 Remarkably, the foot remains intact. 73 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:03,255 Given its condition, it has arrived there very recently. 74 00:05:03,280 --> 00:05:06,455 The primary goal now is to obtain DNA. 75 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,375 Identifying the difference between human remains 76 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,455 and flesh and bones from animals is a difficult task. 77 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,695 So a senior forensics anthropologist has been brought in to help. 78 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:34,935 The anthropologist will go through 79 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,375 all the different pieces of tissue and the bones for us. 80 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:42,175 They will identify what is human, what is non-human. 81 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:43,975 But aside from that, they can also give us 82 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,375 some interpretation about what we're finding. 83 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:50,775 Steve Austin and crime scene manager Gerard Sadler 84 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,095 are shown how the site's heavy machinery works 85 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,455 by Sergeant Mick McGowan. 86 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,135 So the process, the stuff that were dropped off Wednesday... 87 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:00,975 Yeah. ..got dumped here 88 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,695 and started to get processed on Friday and Saturday morning. 89 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,095 So, the process is that big grabber picks the stuff up, 90 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,495 drops it into this hopper. 91 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,935 The hopper does a lot of shaking about and mangling stuff up. 92 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,535 Ancl then it drops down onto the conveyor belt, 93 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,415 which then goes up, across and up here. 94 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,935 While the conveyor belt's been going, 95 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,735 that's when they've come across the foot coming across the belt. 96 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:31,135 So they've stopped all the production everywhere, 97 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,935 thinking that, well, somewhere along this process, 98 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,855 or in that pile over there, 99 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,375 is the rest of the body, potentially. 100 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,335 In terms of time, what are you thinking? 101 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,775 Er, at least three clays. Right. 102 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,815 As day one of the search concludes, 103 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:07,775 the site is secured overnight. 104 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,575 Senior investigating officer Tony Nicholson 105 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,495 recognises the immense task ahead. 106 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,935 Well, what do we know so far? Not a great deal. 107 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:19,855 At the moment, we know we've got a human foot. 108 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,215 We're hoping, obviously, to get some DNA 109 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,495 from the examination that we're currently doing at the moment, 110 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,175 and that will be fast-tracked through. 111 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,655 Ancl with any luck at all, we'll be able to identify 112 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,135 to whom that foot belongs. 113 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,015 The stuff that comes out the chute there, 114 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,575 as you say, he calls it the heavies. 115 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,055 Yeah. So it's the heavies and the dense stuff. 116 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,255 As it stands at the moment, clearly we've got a mystery. 117 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,575 We've got a left foot and no body associated with it. 118 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,335 We're hoping, through all the detailed searching 119 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,695 and examinations that we're doing here at the site, 120 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,255 that we'll be able to find some further body parts 121 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,255 that might be able to marry up, with regard to DNA, 122 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,735 to establish the identity of those parts. 123 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,575 NICOLA WALKER: A specialist police search team 124 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,255 are being briefed at a recycling plant 125 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,735 where a human foot has been discovered. 126 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:30,935 You know, everybody gets a chance to do a bit. 127 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,695 Whilst the staff were doing the recycling 128 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:38,975 at the plant yesterday morning, 129 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,175 they came across a human foot. 130 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,095 I came yesterday afternoon with the SIO and CSI, 131 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:48,695 and everybody agreed it's a foot from a human being. 132 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,495 But there's, potentially, the rest of the body here. 133 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,015 So basically, we're going to search specific areas, 134 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,695 searching for the rest of the human remains. 135 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,095 It's a shit job... Gotta be done. 136 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:03,615 ...but we know we know why we're here, 137 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,135 we know what we've gotta do and how we're gonna it. 138 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,735 So, a search on a site like this is so extensive 139 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,135 that we have to make sure it's meticulous, 140 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,055 and we have to make sure that we recover 141 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,695 every piece of bone fragment and tissue 142 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,255 which could be related to our remains. 143 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:26,215 Therefore, we've started from the larger sizes of waste 144 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,895 and will go down to the smaller sizes, 145 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,055 where we will ensure that fingertip search is carried out, 146 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:36,295 so we obtain every single piece that may remain here. 147 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,415 This is it. Area A1 A2. 148 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,535 So concentrate on A1 149 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:49,455 until we've got sufficiently far back. 150 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:53,455 Any clothing that comes out, adult clothing, male and female, 151 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:54,975 needs to be put on a groundsheet 152 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,855 that we're going to be putting down here. 153 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:58,415 All right? 154 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,855 Any bones, fleshy bits, 155 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:02,575 it's on another sheet. 156 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:04,935 Ancl CSI will sort that out straight away. 157 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,295 Ultimately, what we'd end up doing at t'mortuary 158 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,655 is looking at a reconstruction, wouldn't we, of the body? 159 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:12,375 So I think I'm happy for it all to go in one. Yeah. 160 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,255 Ancl what you could almost look at doing is 161 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,455 you could literally just have it as a body bag 162 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,855 with all the parts going into the body bag, 163 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,935 and each clay... Ancl I'm just putting this out there. 164 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,295 ...we could have it like each clay, we've got a body bag. 165 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,055 Any parts we find each particular clay goes in there, 166 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:29,855 zipped up, and that goes to t'mortuary. 167 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,215 And each day, we do that. 168 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,095 With the search system set up, 169 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,775 the hunt for any remaining body parts begins, 170 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,975 as does the full investigation... 171 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,935 focusing first on workers at the plant. 172 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,375 We spoke to all the staff at the recycling place, 173 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,135 all the employees there, all the management. 174 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:51,695 We were as satisfied as we could be, 175 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,055 having spoken to each and every one of them, 176 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,095 that they had no involvement whatsoever 177 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,295 in the body parts that had been found. 178 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,775 That's another bone. There'll be bones galore. 179 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,975 But we don't know whether the human or... 180 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:16,735 The team places numbered cones where human remains are found. 181 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,095 CSls will then photograph the area. 182 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,615 That's all we can see to start with, without going into t'pile. 183 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,415 There's another bone on t'top, but we'll get them as we go through. 184 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,135 Where number nine is, 185 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:39,055 there's a big lump of flesh and some bone and a bit of hair. 186 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,975 We've no idea what it is, but obviously, we'll take it out 187 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,295 and then give it to the anthropologists to have a look at. 188 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,975 Anything that could be human is reserved, 189 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,095 ready for the expert to analyse. 190 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,455 There's some stuff on the pile up there 191 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,255 that look like ribs of some description, 192 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,655 but I'm not to say whether it's human or not. 193 00:11:57,680 --> 00:12:00,495 I'm going to put a marker on them. Photograph them in situ. OK. 194 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:01,935 Ancl then lift them. All right. 195 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,975 The expert forensic anthropologist drafted in for the case 196 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,775 is Drjulie Roberts. 197 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:13,335 The police forensics team have been to the site, 198 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,575 and they've confirmed that it's a human foot, 199 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:21,615 but they now require a specialist to come and assist with the search 200 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,575 to see if there are any more body parts at the site. 201 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,295 'A forensic anthropologist is someone who specialises 202 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,375 'in human skeletal biology and anatomy. 203 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,735 'So we have an in-depth knowledge, 204 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,735 'and we use that to estimate things like age at death, 205 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,295 'biological sex, the living height of an individual, 206 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,695 'how robust, what their body build was like. 207 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,095 'And we can also look at individual identifying features 208 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,055 'that might make that person more recognisable.' 209 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,735 We've got some bits already. Yeah. 210 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,455 Which they're just photographing in situ before we pick them off 211 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,215 and put them on a sheet for you to have a look at, if that's all right. 212 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,775 A forensic anthropologist for 25 years, 213 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,655 Dr Roberts is based at Liverpool john Moores University. 214 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,815 The foot had already been taken to the mortuary, 215 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,055 so I was shown a photograph of what had been found. 216 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,295 And actually, it proved to be a bit more than a foot. 217 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,535 So, it was part of the ankle and part of the lower leg. 218 00:13:25,560 --> 00:13:27,535 So probably about up to here. 219 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:29,575 You couldn't see the bone. 220 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:30,895 It was fully fleshed, 221 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:35,535 and it had intact skin over the surface as well. 222 00:13:35,560 --> 00:13:37,815 But the size of the foot and the ankle 223 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,615 indicated that it was adult-size. 224 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,895 Forensic teams are used to adapting to different potential crime scenes, 225 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,015 but Dr Roberts and the team's expertise 226 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,895 is being tested by the site and its unique challenges. 227 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:57,015 I was quite shocked by the size of it, actually. 228 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,655 It took up the full length of a road. 229 00:13:59,680 --> 00:14:01,415 It was very, very dirty. 230 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,095 Piles and piles of waste material everywhere. 231 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,335 The smell was quite distinctive 232 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,735 just because of all the rotting vegetation, meat and waste. 233 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,175 A lot of animal carcasses there as well. 234 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,575 It really was quite bad. 235 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:23,295 After hours of searching, finally, a new discovery. 236 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,455 Gerard, you've got some human maxilla there. 237 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,335 The anthropologist is just going through 238 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,695 some of the bones that we've identified, 239 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,295 and we've got some teeth and palate 240 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,975 mixed up with a load of animal bones. 241 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,015 You're quite happy that they're human? Yeah. 242 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,375 So, we've got some teeth. Oh, blimey. 243 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,255 I don't know if you wanna fast-track that. 244 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,455 Yeah. Happy that they're human. 245 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,695 'There's a lot of useful information that you can get from teeth 246 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,495 'if you have the teeth of the deceased, 247 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,855 'which can be really helpful 248 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,535 'when trying to figure out the identity of the living person.' 249 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,735 You do, however, need something to compare that against. 250 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,655 So usually, if you're going to get what we call 251 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,775 a positive identification, 252 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,975 we would also need to have the dental records of that person 253 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,455 to compare them with the postmortem records that we had. 254 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,815 In this case, we had no idea who the individual is. 255 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,575 As the search continues, the team need to consider 256 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,975 if this is one human body or multiple remains. 257 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,815 The body parts are transported back to the mortuary, 258 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,455 ready for a forensic postmortem and to try and obtain a DNA profile. 259 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:39,975 This data is then interpreted by forensic scientistjames Chapman. 260 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,535 The individual DNA fragments we're looking at 261 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,095 are not especially unique or especially rare in their own right, 262 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,735 but the combination of all of the DNA components 263 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,215 makes the DNA profile unique. 264 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,015 Ancl one way of thinking about that 265 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,055 is thinking about the National Lottery 266 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:01,455 and what makes that National Lottery number that you've selected unique 267 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,655 is the combination of those numbers together. 268 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:09,615 We've got the almost complete DNA profile of this individual, 269 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,455 as determined from the swabs that were taken from the foot, 270 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,535 and that then allows us to see 271 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,975 if we can compare that DNA profile with databases 272 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,535 and see if there's anybody else with the same DNA profiles. 273 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,135 Firstly, the DNA is loaded to the national DNA database 274 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,775 to identify if the donor of the body parts is recorded on the system. 275 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,655 Investigators will then look to load the DNA profile 276 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:31,695 to the missing persons database 277 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,895 and then carry out searches worldwide through Interpol. 278 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:40,655 And that can then get forwarded around by Interpol to other nations, 279 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,655 and they can then search their databases, 280 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,775 and hopefully if they generate a match, they could feed that back. 281 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,215 Obtaining DNA and being able to search around the globe 282 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,615 is just an amazing opportunity for us in law enforcement. 283 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,015 It gives us that facility to be able to search further afield 284 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:58,375 and around the globe. 285 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,455 Ancl that would always be supported 286 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,775 from the National Crime Agency and Interpol. 287 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,015 At Interpol's headquarters, 288 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:22,415 they connect police forces worldwide to locate missing persons. 289 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,375 Interpol will be crucial in identifying 290 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,975 if the body is a foreign national. 291 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,335 Dr Susan Hitchin and Dr Francois Laurent 292 00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:34,495 specialise in global missing persons cases. 293 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,655 Morning. DR SUSAN: Morning. 294 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,295 So, Interpol's primary responsibility 295 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,815 is to facilitate the exchange of police data 296 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,775 amongst our 196 member countries. 297 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,455 For missing persons, we can assist police in the different countries 298 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,815 by providing that secure network 299 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,615 so that we can help to locate and find missing persons 300 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,695 and hopefully reunite them with their families. 301 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,655 Where are we on the stats this week for the notices? 302 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,055 So, I think we've reached up to 16,000 yellow notice now. 303 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:09,015 'A yellow notice is a global police alert for missing persons.' 304 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,535 It will provide information on the individual 305 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,295 who has been reported missing, 306 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:18,055 and this can be made public at the choice of the issuing country. 307 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,135 Behind that notice, we can also have the police data, 308 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,575 so the DNA, the fingerprints and case information 309 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,855 that will then be used in our databases 310 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,215 to hopefully locate that individual. 311 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,975 What have you seen come through with biometrics? 312 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,575 In particular the DNA on the black and yellows since yesterday. 313 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,335 Since yesterday, we received quite a lot of DNA profiles 314 00:18:38,360 --> 00:18:41,495 from biological relatives from European countries, 315 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,895 including Slovakia, for example. 316 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,295 As soon as we receive any request 317 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,335 on a missing person case from a country, 318 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:52,735 the biometric data will be inputted into our biometric databases 319 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:54,615 and a response will be given back to the country. 320 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,095 This information is stored on the Interpol database, 321 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:03,455 allowing countries to regularly check 322 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,935 their own missing persons cases for matches 323 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,055 against uploaded data, such as DNA. 324 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,375 Every message that comes in, we know that there is a detective 325 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,375 seeking our assistance to make that international link. 326 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,535 1,000km away in Leeds, 327 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,495 Detective Inspector Guy Shackleton 328 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,655 is struggling to narrow down the volume of bin collections 329 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,735 that arrived on the day human remains were discovered. 330 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:33,695 It's a daunting task, yet it's currently the only lead they have. 331 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,135 We can narrow down when the body or body parts 332 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,015 have actually gone to that location. 333 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,135 So, it's between 24th of October and 31st of October 334 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,175 that we've narrowed down. 335 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,895 Where it becomes a little bit difficult for yourself is 336 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,455 we've got 95 skip deposits at that location. 337 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,375 MAN: Between those dates? Between those dates. 338 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,175 Ancl we've got 172 vehicle deposits. 339 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:56,495 Right. 340 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,295 So that gives you an idea. That's quite a lot. 341 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,695 Yeah. Now, it gets a little bit worse 342 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,495 because what we then look further at is where are those pick-ups from. 343 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,095 Ancl what I can tell you on that 344 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:09,975 is we are looking at West, South and North Yorkshire 345 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,335 and potentially a little bit wider than that 346 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:14,695 because of, effectively, subcontracting as well. 347 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,375 How many premises are we talking from? 348 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,815 In a nutshell, we're talking thousands. 349 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,455 We're not talking hundreds, we're talking thousands. Really? 350 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,415 Ancl I think if we're looking at being realistic and proportionate 351 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,455 as to what we're trying to... what we're trying to narrow down, 352 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,735 I just think that's not achievable, really. 353 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:30,775 HE SIGHS 354 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,575 I think we can fairly safely say that this is gonna be 355 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,415 quite an extensive and complex investigation. 356 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:45,135 At the site, the team questions if there is more than one body, 357 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,975 and if so, how they ended up here. 358 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,335 They ramp up their efforts 359 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:52,295 to uncover any additional human remains. 360 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,575 This is a very resource-intensive search 361 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,135 because we have such a vast site, 362 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,655 large amount of waste to search through. 363 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,095 So it's pretty much all hands to the pump, 364 00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:11,495 and any licensed search officers that we have, if they are available, 365 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,295 are being deployed to this site to assist in the search. 366 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,775 Dr Roberts takes Sergeant Mick McGowan 367 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,455 through the latest discoveries. 368 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,695 Oh, what, that big bit? Yeah. 369 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,735 Then that bit from over there. Where the foot came. 370 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,775 Yeah. So it's got a... got most of the thighbone, 371 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,135 it's got a kneecap, and it's got the... 372 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:34,015 I can see it now. Yeah. 373 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:35,655 ...t0p part of the upper leg as well. 374 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,015 We've got bones and body parts from different areas of the body as well. 375 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:45,775 So we've got... We've got jaw, but we've got leg, we've got foot. 376 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:50,135 So, erm, it's not just from one area. 377 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,135 Can we have a photograph of this as well, please? 378 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,735 At this stage, the team is unsure if the human remains 379 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,535 belong to one single individual or multiple corpses. 380 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,815 We've managed to now locate and recover 381 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,895 quite a few body parts at this site, 382 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,615 and we have been having discussions about what's called DVI. 383 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,495 DVI stands for Disaster Victim Identification. 384 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,735 It's a process that we often use at a major disaster, 385 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,175 for example, a plane crash where you've got multiple casualties. 386 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,615 You've had a conversation regarding DVI. 387 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,575 Yeah, yeah, I have, from HMET. 388 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,175 We're asking about keeping an open mind 389 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,175 to whether we've got more than one deceased person here. 390 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,615 Ancl I said, "Well, if we start finding parts that'd suggest that, 391 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,855 "then we will start looking at different processes." 392 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,975 We're relying on our scientific experts, 393 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,855 our anthropologists and our pathologists, 394 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,215 to assist us because we still don't know 395 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,455 whether we have just one body in the site or multiple bodies. 396 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:08,775 In West Yorkshire, 397 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,255 human remains found two days ago in a recycling plant 398 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,855 have left investigators wondering if they're dealing with just one body 399 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,015 or possibly more. 400 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,815 So, at this moment in time, 401 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,575 we're gonna stick with the process we've got 402 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,575 with polSA doing a fingertip search 403 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,015 and the CSI team supporting that search. 404 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,655 SIO Tony Nicholson arrives for an update 405 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,015 as Dr Roberts receives another discovery. 406 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,135 So, this is the one... 407 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,335 This is the one that they've just brought out. Yeah. 408 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,855 You've got skull here. 409 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,375 You've got some of his head here. You what, sorry? 410 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:52,535 You've got some of his head. 411 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,735 Wow. Head? 412 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,695 That's the base of his skull. 413 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,855 Wow. 414 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,575 It's the base of his skull. Yeah. 415 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,375 That's the back of his neck. Back of his neck? 416 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,295 Yeah. And his hair. Yeah. 417 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,855 That's the back. And that's the base of his skull, so... 418 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,215 That's just the skin. 419 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,495 Yeah. It's quite a thick part of his skull. 420 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,135 'We discovered some fragments of skull 421 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,575 'which were attached to some soft tissue.' 422 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,375 So, just to show you on the diagram, 423 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,255 this is looking at the base of the skull 424 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:27,615 underneath here. 425 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:32,095 We've got one small fragment at the back and one at the side there. 426 00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:36,855 And on this model, you can see it's just here 427 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,215 around the edge of the for a men magnum, 428 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,215 which is the hole through which the spinal column exits the brain. 429 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,535 They were embedded in decomposed, disrupted soft tissue, 430 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:48,975 which included the neck, 431 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,735 and it also included the bottom part of the scalp. 432 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,615 So we actually had some of the hair and the hairline at the back, 433 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,655 so we could see the colour of the hair and the length of the hair. 434 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,415 There were also some vertebrae 435 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,615 embedded in that soft tissue as well. 436 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,575 'It's very difficult to know at this stage 437 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,935 'in what direction the investigation is going to go.' 438 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,695 We're concentrating our efforts 439 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:19,255 on continuing the forensic search of the premises, of the property. 440 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,615 This latest discovery gives the police 441 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,335 another valuable clue to help with identification. 442 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,495 I'll turn it over in a minute, and I'll just... It's attached. 443 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,935 You've got a piece of arm bone here as well. 444 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,295 Arm? Yeah. 445 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,255 How can you tell by just a little bit? Jesus. 446 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:40,775 So it's all joined up. 447 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,415 Brilliant. Yeah. 448 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,615 Let's go and tell them. Yeah, aye, absolutely. 449 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,615 With each body part discovered, Dr Roberts is increasingly sure 450 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,975 that they are dealing with a single body. 451 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,695 Our working hypothesis was that all these body parts 452 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:02,095 were from the same individual, and that was based on the fact 453 00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:05,415 that we didn't have any repeated bones or repeated joints. 454 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,415 They were all the same in terms of size and morphology, 455 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,015 in terms of size and shape. 456 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,415 So they all seem to look as though 457 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,975 they belonged to the same individual. 458 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,855 We also had a small number 459 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,735 which could actually be fitted back together again. 460 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:25,095 You couldn't be 100% certain unless you DNA tested every fragment, 461 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:28,735 but on the balance of probabilities, we can be reasonably certain 462 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:33,135 that these body parts all came from the same person. 463 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,975 It's very difficult to actually provide any sort of firm hypothesis 464 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,495 as to what might have happened to this poor individual at this stage. 465 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,175 The question for detectives is who might this person be? 466 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,975 Across Europe, Interpol is contacting police forces 467 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,855 to try and obtain a DNA match with the body part found in Yorkshire. 468 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,095 Over 30 years, 469 00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:11,695 journalistjohan Romin has reported on many missing persons cases. 470 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,375 Now a disappearance from 20 years ago 471 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,895 has caught his attention, 472 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,415 and he believes it could be linked to the grisly discoveries in Leeds. 473 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:31,135 Mikael lvarsson was an ordinary Swedish guy, 29 years old. 474 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,295 He lived here in Varberg in Western Sweden. 475 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,695 He was an ordinary guy. He had just bought a house. 476 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:44,215 He worked as a machinist on a ferry, and he came from a loving family 477 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,615 with a father and mother, two brothers and a sister. 478 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:53,735 Ancl also, he had a four-year-old daughter with an ex-partner 479 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,975 and also an unborn child with a new girlfriend. 480 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,895 Mikael lvarsson was a guy who really loved motorcycles and travelling. 481 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,895 He had been travelling all around the world. 482 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,575 At one point, he went with a motorcycle 483 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,295 from Cape Town in South Africa all the way up here to Sweden. 484 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,655 That's a long trip to do, 485 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,535 and it says a lot about his kind of character, I think. 486 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,695 Ancl in 2004, he called his ex-girlfriend and told her, 487 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,735 "You must go and pick up our daughter immediately." 488 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,775 Ancl the ex-girlfriend thought it was quite strange. 489 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,215 Ancl then he vanished without a trace. 490 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:45,855 For the past two decades, Mikael's body has not been found. 491 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,055 No-one knows if he travelled overseas. 492 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,735 Knowing the body at the recycling plant could have come from anywhere, 493 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,335 police are still without a solid lead. 494 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,695 If we're gonna find big bits, 495 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,895 it's gonna be from that lot over there. Right. 496 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,855 The search shifts to any other items that might help with identification. 497 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,215 We were looking for anything 498 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,815 that might be on the person who's ended up here. 499 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:23,095 So that is clothing, jewellery, electricals and keys. 500 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,055 And then once we've collected all this material, 501 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,775 we then make the decision, 502 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,375 what's gonna take us further in the investigation? 503 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,735 The team have also been collecting 504 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,015 several mobile phones from the scene 505 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,895 that could hold vital information. 506 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,295 We're assessing the phones that we found so far 507 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,735 because we might have to link the phone DNA 508 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,615 to the DNA that we've picked up from the parts that we've found. 509 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,975 So if we can do that, then it gives us a chance 510 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,175 on the intelligence front to see what we can get from the phone 511 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,535 and potentially get further lines of inquiry 512 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,975 from the items that were found within the rubble. 513 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,695 Because we seize and secure those items, 514 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,015 it allows us to periodically, as the investigation progresses, 515 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,895 to review those items 516 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,575 to see if we've got anything that's relevant. 517 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,335 In Sweden, 518 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,735 the investigation into the disappearance of Mikael lvarsson 519 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,855 20 years ago continues. 520 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,055 Right before Mikael lvarsson disappeared, 521 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,095 he called his ex-partner and told her, 522 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,935 "You must go and pick up our daughter." 523 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,495 He had a four-year-old daughter. 524 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,295 Ancl when the mother came to pick her daughter up, 525 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,615 the child was doing something with a piece of jewellery, 526 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,535 and she asked, "What is that?" 527 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,135 "I got this from my daddy," the daughter said. 528 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,535 Ancl it was a piece of jewellery shaped as an anchor. 529 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,935 It's quite strange because he was working on a ship as a machinist. 530 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,775 I mean, it's a connection to the anchor, 531 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,495 but also, this is the symbol of hope. 532 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:12,335 The strange thing was that he also gave a kind of piece of jewellery 533 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,535 to his unborn child. 534 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,735 So, did Mikael lvarsson intend to disappear? 535 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,575 Another journalist, Par Lindqvist, 536 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,415 asked these questions directly to Mikael |varsson's family. 537 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:33,295 They were really worried about what happened to Mikael. 538 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,415 The family talk about if it was any crime or like that. 539 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:46,255 But they thought that Mikael had no enemies. 540 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,695 After the disappearance, it was discovered 541 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,775 that Mikael |varsson's car had been parked here in centralvarberg. 542 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,415 When I talked to the sister, she said 543 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,215 the sister, Linda, and Mikael was really close, 544 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,815 and they talk about anything. 545 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,175 Ancl she said that no way, 546 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,415 he never going to leave his daughter or children. 547 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,015 The ex-partner of Mikael lvarsson became very worried. 548 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,215 So she called the mother of Mikael lvarsson. 549 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,575 Ancl later on, they went to the house 550 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,735 to look for him and to go through his things. 551 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,855 Ancl they saw that all his clothes were still in the house, 552 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,295 and his passport was also there. 553 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,255 So if he had left voluntarily and left Sweden, 554 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,135 why would he leave his passport in the house? 555 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,415 It's quite strange. 556 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,255 There was one lead that Swedish police tracked. 557 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,215 A couple of clays later, they found a signal 558 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,935 from his mobile phone in the south of Norway. 559 00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:01,695 The family thought... 560 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,495 At that time, he worked as an engineer in a big ferry. 561 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:10,175 Maybe he took the ferry to Norway, but they didn't know. 562 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,055 Ancl that's the last sign from... from Mikael. 563 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,175 In Yorkshire, the search of the site continues. 564 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:27,135 See, that's the knee there. That's the shin bone. 565 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,775 And then the top bit's the... MAN: Thigh bone. 566 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,575 You've got quite a good length of it. 567 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,775 And with this you've got, erm... 568 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,015 That's the back and the base of his skull. 569 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,415 And that's the top vertebra there, where the skull meets the head. 570 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:49,855 And then there, you've got at least three or four bones from his neck, 571 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,575 and then you've got some of his arm bone there. 572 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,415 Saying "he"? I am saying "he". 573 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,175 There's a lot of body hair if it's a female, 574 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,935 but you never know. 575 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,215 There's nothing definitively male yet. 576 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,295 But they'll get that with the DNA. 577 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,695 Even if they don't get an identity, they'll still find out 578 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,055 whether he's male or female from the DNA. 579 00:34:11,240 --> 00:34:16,375 DNA expertjames Chapman is trying to determine the sex of the body. 580 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,735 So, this very first area here, 581 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,735 it's got two peaks with an X and a Y denoted against them. 582 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,335 That's basically telling me that's a male DNA profile 583 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,815 because it's got an X chromosome and a Y chromosome. 584 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,735 Knowing definitively that this person is male 585 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,935 is a massive step forward. 586 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,935 But there's also a major step back. 587 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,935 Domestically, we've searched it on the national DNA database. 588 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,455 Got no matches. 589 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,895 This means the unidentified male has no criminal record in the UK 590 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,975 and does not appear on the missing persons database. 591 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,015 All hopes lie in a lead from the international search. 592 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,735 Interpol, from their HQ in Lyon, 593 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:08,375 liaises with police forces in nearly 200 countries. 594 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,415 In the UK, someone is reported missing every 90 seconds, 595 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,415 and it's estimated that a quarter of missing person cases 596 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,055 will have a transnational dimension, 597 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,655 and this will require the exchange of police data 598 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,095 across countries' boundaries. 599 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,895 So, we're almost reaching 10,000 yellow notices, 600 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,855 which are on the public Interpol website. 601 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,175 We see a large increase in the requests of countries 602 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,015 to submit this data to other countries through Interpol. 603 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,255 In our experience, 604 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,455 we don't actually see a type of person that goes missing. 605 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,335 It could be male, female, different ages, young children, 606 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,695 and it affects all parts of the world. 607 00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:50,415 So there are many reasons why a person may go missing. 608 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:55,015 It may be that a young person has decided to run away from home. 609 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,815 It may be that there are victims of crime 610 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,015 that are then gonna be unidentified. 611 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:10,455 Two decades ago, a family reported their 29-year-old son missing. 612 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,335 The discoveries in Yorkshire may be their last hope. 613 00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:20,335 Ancl of course, the family wants to know what happened to their son, 614 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,535 to their brother, to their father. 615 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,495 In 2004, when Mikael lvarsson disappeared from Varberg, 616 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,695 there wasn't too much in the media about it. 617 00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:34,735 Ancl then many people ask, why? 618 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,295 Why wasn't this covered more in the national media? 619 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,735 I think it was because the local police here, 620 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:47,095 they... they didn't investigate this a whole lot. 621 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,655 Mikael's family didn't think that the police did enough 622 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,015 to investigate the case. 623 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,615 The police said that if you are a grown-up, 624 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,615 you can disappear if you want 625 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:05,775 and they don't start an investigation about that case. 626 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,335 As it stands at the moment, we've got a timescale 627 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,255 where, potentially, our body has been deposited. 628 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,735 We've got the foot, and then we've got 629 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,415 another few pieces of body parts that we've recovered. 630 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,335 We know that the foot belongs to a male. 631 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,575 We've got DNA extracted from that. 632 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,375 But there's nothing, nothing that's gonna assist us, 633 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,935 on the national databases, either the national DNA database 634 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,295 or indeed the Misper database, as it stands at the moment. 635 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,655 We've also got a whole host and multitude 636 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,015 of different potential pick-up sites, 637 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,655 and that includes both industrial and indeed household. 638 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,375 They feed back into this main site. Yeah. 639 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,135 So at the moment, what else do we not know? 640 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,655 We can't even say if it's been a full body that's gone into the site. 641 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,935 Ancl then as a result of the machines, that's been taken apart, 642 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,855 or have we got a situation where, more sinister, 643 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,215 we've got body parts that have been chopped up, 644 00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:10,135 at a location away from there and has been subsequently dumped there? 645 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,895 After human remains were discovered 646 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,255 at a recycling plant in West Yorkshire, 647 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,935 police and forensics have been tirelessly searching 648 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,695 for all the body parts. 649 00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:39,455 With time ticking away, 650 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:44,415 the search team are feeling the pressure to deliver results. 651 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:51,135 So, the team have just found this large piece of soft tissue, 652 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,055 which is human skin, some decomposed muscle tissue. 653 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,255 All options are open, really. You could be talking about homicide. 654 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,855 You could be talking about an accident. 655 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,615 You could be talking about something, 656 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,455 somebody was falling asleep and just died of natural causes 657 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,255 in a wheelie bin, for all we know at the moment. 658 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,455 GUY". And we've had that before, Tony, haven't we? 659 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,855 It looks as though it's probably from the torso, 660 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,015 from the back and also from the chest area 661 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,015 and possibly a belly button as well, and some body hairs. 662 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,855 There are a couple of pieces of ends of rib 663 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,255 attached as well to the inside of the chest wall. 664 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,655 Homeless people, drunk, that have climbed into wheelie bins 665 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,615 to get out of the weather conditions, etc. 666 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,575 Ancl tragic accidents have happened. 667 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,255 But on the other side of it, 668 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,095 we can't rule out something more sinister that has taken place, 669 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,375 and I think that's where we've got to go with it, really, haven't we? 670 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:59,415 At the site, police search adviser Mick is exploring a new lead. 671 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,055 Could the body have been dismembered in the truck 672 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,615 that brought it to the site? 673 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:09,175 So, the process that they do is the rear of the wagon lifts up, 674 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,975 which is the bit that is the mechanical bit. 675 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,375 Once he's opened that up, then they're able to lift the wagon up 676 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,655 and push all the rubbish out, which you'll see now. 677 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,135 So this bit... 678 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,735 ...picks all the rubbish up, tips it in, 679 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,095 and then there's a compressor 680 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,935 that pushes it down inside against that blade. 681 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,815 Ancl that blade then goes towards the front of the cab, 682 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,095 which is basically squashing it all together. 683 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,455 Once it arrives in the bin wagon, 684 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,135 it'd be very difficult unless somebody physically sees it. 685 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,975 That will not be discovered. 686 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,175 As day three of the search comes to an end, 687 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,215 less than a third of the body has been recovered. 688 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,415 I'm still hopeful in what we've got left to search, 689 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,615 but we will continue to find items. 690 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,255 Because of the process of the plant 691 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,615 and the machinery that they're using to recycle, 692 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,415 there could be quite a bit that's already left the site 693 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,695 prior to us getting here. 694 00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:09,855 But I'm still confident, 695 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,615 and I will always remain confident until I finish the search. 696 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,695 Unexpectedly, the police then uncover a new lead. 697 00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:21,495 A missing local man suddenly becomes the focus. 698 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,615 In the lab, forensics examine his belongings, 699 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,175 including a toothbrush, for DNA. 700 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,815 So, our research has now identified a potential missing person 701 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:38,015 who we believe could be the unidentified human remains. 702 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,575 So what we'll now do is we will send that toothbrush in for DNA testing. 703 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,535 DNA can retain on items for a set amount of time, 704 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,975 but factors regarding environment, how it's stored, where it's been 705 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,655 will have an influence as to whether 706 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,975 we would actually get a DNA profile from it. 707 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,095 Could the DNA being taken from this toothbrush 708 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,575 hold the key to identification? 709 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,975 I can't rule him in or out in relation to it being our body parts. 710 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,495 I think it's one of those that we've just got to keep an open mind 711 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,415 and we've got to make sure that we cover all avenues. 712 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,095 With forensics still centre stage in the investigation, 713 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,135 now shoes and clothing need to be analysed. 714 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,135 So far, all the flesh and tissue we're finding 715 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,895 hasn't got any clothing attached, has it? No. 716 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:41,135 We haven't been able to find any remnants 717 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,175 of clothing on any of the body parts. 718 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,575 It's hard to say whether the body was clothed or not 719 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,575 because of the disruption that's been caused 720 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,575 during the process at the recycling plant. 721 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,135 So, what I've been doing is doing a little composite diagram. 722 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,135 So the bones that are coloured in... 723 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,095 Yeah. ..that's what we've recovered. 724 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,495 OK. This drawing around is just the soft tissue, disrupted muscles. 725 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:11,015 So we've got those actual bones, and then we've got skin as well. 726 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,055 Here, that looks like quite a large area. That's just skin. 727 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,895 We don't have those bones within there. 728 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:22,615 At the forensic lab, the results from the toothbrush are in. 729 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:27,295 We've got a nice clear and complete male DNA profile. 730 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,375 I've compared that with the DNA profile that we obtained 731 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,855 from the body parts found at the skip site. 732 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,655 Basically, I've determined that they are not the same male. 733 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,215 The news is passed to the investigators. 734 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:45,015 The DNA testing has come back now, 735 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,375 and that result has now confirmed that it isn't... 736 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,135 It isn't our missing person that that those body parts relate to. 737 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,015 It can be frustrating, 738 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,975 but it's one of a number of lines of inquiry 739 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,415 we're undertaking at the moment. 740 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,495 With the investigation stalling, forensics widen their approach 741 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:07,415 in searching for matches using alternative DNA testing techniques. 742 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,655 We'll look at other specialist techniques that can be clone. 743 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,415 So, one of those is Y-STR. 744 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:20,855 So, Y-STR is where a female is XX and a male is XY. 745 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,695 The Y is what's passed through the male line of a family. 746 00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:28,655 So father passes to son who passes to their sons, and so on. 747 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:33,375 Doing the Y-STR profile may help us to narrow down our searches. 748 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,575 We can also do what's called familial DNA searches 749 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,415 on the national database. 750 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,255 What that will give us, hopefully, 751 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,175 tell us whether there's any parents or siblings 752 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,695 of our unidentified male. 753 00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:50,535 Following that, I will then engage further 754 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,055 with our forensic service providers of what other options are available, 755 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,775 such as genealogy, where we start to look at relatives of the person. 756 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,775 When a police force can't find a match on the various databases, 757 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,095 they reach out to Interpol and issue a black notice. 758 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:10,655 This international alert 759 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,095 seeks worldwide information on unidentified bodies. 760 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,815 Our command and coordination centre could be considered 761 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,855 as an international 999 call 762 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,575 for those countries needing international assistance 763 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,015 in their police investigations. 764 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:32,335 The UK police's black notice appeal may now be the final chance. 765 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,575 Hi, Campbell. Hey. 766 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,095 So, we have this pending case. 767 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,695 The DNA seems to indicate that it could be the same person. 768 00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:43,055 So the reason why a country can send DNA profile 769 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,575 attached to a black notice is to alert other countries 770 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,975 that they have a body that they can't identify, 771 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,335 and they may believe that the answer 772 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,055 is outside of their national borders. 773 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,095 So they want to reach out to many countries 774 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,255 and see if one of the country has some police information 775 00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,735 that could lead to the identification of the body. 776 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,575 And therefore, when we receive it, 777 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,055 the DNA profile is entered in our system, 778 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,735 it searches against any missing person profile. 779 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,095 And then if we find a potential connection, 780 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,455 we can alert both countries and let them know 781 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,415 that there is a lead that can be followed 782 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,975 to hopefully get to the identification of the person. 783 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,335 So, in the case of an unidentified body, 784 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,535 we have the possibility to use different primary identifiers, 785 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,615 such as DNA, fingerprint or face, for example, dental as well. 786 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,775 And so it depends on the state of degradation of the body. 787 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,175 Sometimes, we only find bones, for example, 788 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,615 and the only solution is DNA. 789 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,055 Without key information like body age, 790 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,255 the team are struggling to move the investigation forward. 791 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,095 A lot is resting on the DNA. 792 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,775 At the site, the team is frustrated. 793 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,815 None of the larger body parts have provided any answers. 794 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,735 The team is now sifting through piles 795 00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,415 of small, tiny fragments of waste. 796 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,975 It's a lot more difficult now because it is so small. 797 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,335 So it means that we're gonna have to go through it 798 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,015 fingertip stroke with the actual tools 799 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,295 just to make sure that we're not missing anything. 800 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,015 Because if the process is right, 801 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,415 the stuff that's coming out here is a lot finer. 802 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,695 So it'll have been crushed up more, so it will be finer pieces. 803 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,375 DR MICOL: It's a collarbone. MAN: Ah, right. 804 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,735 So that's... That is human. 805 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,495 We found a clavicle, which is a collarbone. 806 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,455 This was really useful for us 807 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,935 because in terms of skeletal development, 808 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,615 the clavicle is the last bone 809 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,735 to complete its development in the body. 810 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,255 So what we're looking at, particularly on the clavicle, 811 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,655 you can see on this model, is this end here. 812 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,455 That fuses quite late. 813 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:59,175 So it can be any time between about 22 years and right up to 29 or 30, 814 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,535 depending on the individual. 815 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,375 When I assessed the end of the clavicle 816 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,095 from looking at the CT scan, I could see that it was fully fused. 817 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,655 So that gave me confidence 818 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,975 that the individual from the recycling plant 819 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,215 was at least 22 years of age at death. 820 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,975 Yet, even after five days of intensive searching, 821 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,055 the lack of progress on identity 822 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,815 leaves detectives with huge challenges. 823 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,175 Having meticulously combed mountains of waste, 824 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,335 the search has reached a standstill. 825 00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:54,695 We have recovered all the human remains from the site, 826 00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:57,775 but that still only adds up to approximately one third. 827 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,335 Therefore, the other two thirds, we can only assume, 828 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,095 has gone through the recycling plant and through the different processes 829 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,575 and taken from that site 830 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,255 prior to the police being alerted from staff who work there. 831 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,215 We were able to identify some marks 832 00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:23,695 on some of the bone, which look like claw marks 833 00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:26,815 from the machine that had caused the damage, 834 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,735 indicating that the bones 835 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,975 had actually been through the heavy machinery at the plant. 836 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,335 However, we don't know how big 837 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,935 that body part was originally when it went in. 838 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,735 It looks as though the body may have been whole 839 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,215 when it went through the machine, 840 00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:43,415 but we couldn't say that conclusively. 841 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,655 As the search on the site comes to an end, 842 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,175 Detective Chief Inspector Damian Roebuck 843 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,535 is reviewing the progress so far in the case. 844 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,775 We've been at the waste recycling site now for the past five clays. 845 00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,055 We've put one of our polSA search teams through there, 846 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,375 along with our forensics. 847 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,295 I'm confident that we've recovered 848 00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,735 all the body parts that were present there, 849 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,335 and we're gonna be shutting the scene down. 850 00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:14,055 The aim of finding the whole body is not just to identify them, 851 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,375 it's to identify a cause of death. 852 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,455 Not finding the whole remains 853 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,415 does limit our opportunities to identify them, 854 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,655 but we still have the opportunity of DNA to identify who it is. 855 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:30,175 With DNA profiles uploaded onto global databases, 856 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,855 investigators have the best possible chance of solving this case, 857 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:35,815 but they must wait. 858 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,855 Their attention now turns back to Sweden. 859 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:45,775 In 2021, Mikael lvarsson had been gone missing for 17 years, 860 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:51,015 and the family felt that maybe some other person in Sweden, 861 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,975 or in Varberg, here, had some more information, 862 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,575 so they turned to the local newspaper. 863 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,895 The family made an appeal for more information, 864 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,895 and Mikael's mother had her DNA taken by police 865 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,535 and uploaded to an international database. 866 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,575 And the hope was that if they would find a body somewhere in the world 867 00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,215 and that DNA would match with the mother's DNA, 868 00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:20,335 that would bring maybe a conclusion to this case. 869 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:28,055 It's been four months since the human foot was discovered 870 00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,335 in a recycling plant in Yorkshire. 871 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:35,775 With missing persons databases across the globe alerted, 872 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,335 it's a waiting game. 873 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,735 In the last 24 hours, we've had a development 874 00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,775 where we've been notified that Swedish authorities 875 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,135 received some notification 876 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,575 that there had been unidentified body parts 877 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,415 in the West Yorkshire area, 878 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:56,495 and those body parts are a potential match for a familial sample 879 00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,215 that was provided by the mother of a missing person. 880 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,695 So, what we'll now look at is our next steps for this case 881 00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:07,655 as to what we're going to do and what us next options will be 882 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,175 to try and identify whether, in fact, it is the same male. 883 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,775 This could be quite a significant development. 884 00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,775 This might be the mother of our unidentified male. 885 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,495 Four months after a human foot was found 886 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,415 in a Yorkshire recycling plant, 887 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,375 the identity remains unknown. 888 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,255 Now, Swedish authorities have informed West Yorkshire Police 889 00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,295 that the remains might be linked to Mikael lvarsson, 890 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,295 missing in Sweden for 20 years. 891 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,935 The next step is to obtain DNA samples 892 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,935 from |varsson's family to complete his profile. 893 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,295 In August 2021, 894 00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,215 the Swedish authorities obtained a DNA profile from his mother, 895 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:10,015 and they provided that DNA profile to Interpol. 896 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,495 The DNA profile from our unidentified male 897 00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,935 has also been provided to Interpol. 898 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:21,415 From there, Interpol have then advised the Swedish authorities 899 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,975 that the DNA profile they have obtained 900 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,375 and the DNA profile we have obtained may well be consistent 901 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,655 with being the mother of the male that we've located. 902 00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:39,295 News has also reached detectives. 903 00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,415 This is a massive breakthrough for the case going forward. 904 00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,775 I think when you look at the circumstances 905 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:49,295 of we've got a missing person abroad in Sweden and it matches our DNA, 906 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,655 there's further work to do to confirm this, 907 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,015 but at this stage, yeah, it's looking promising 908 00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,855 that we might be able to actually identify our body parts. 909 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,535 As the investigation progresses, 910 00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,855 it's up to the detectives to follow the leads, 911 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,415 wherever they might take them. 912 00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,895 We've got numerous things recovered by polSA, 913 00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,855 and that's why we were so convinced we were on the right horse. 914 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,815 We can't conclusively say at the moment 915 00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,655 whether our body parts are this missing person, 916 00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,095 but it was only right that the Swedish authorities 917 00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,935 approached the family to explain there is a potential link, 918 00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:27,655 and that's all it is at this stage. 919 00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,695 'But obviously, we've got to inform them 920 00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:32,255 'because we are doing some further inquiries, 921 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,255 'or the Swedish police will be doing further inquiries on our behalf.' 922 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,455 So we had to give them the detail of what we'd found. 923 00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,895 So potentially, their loved one has been found over here 924 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,415 and, unfortunately, is deceased. 925 00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:50,255 UK and Swedish police are exchanging information through Interpol 926 00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,295 to further the investigation. 927 00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:54,815 DR SUSAN: So, what have we got here? 928 00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,215 So, a very promising biological association. 929 00:54:57,240 --> 00:55:00,015 So it's a pedigree with the mother of the missing person. 930 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,335 Ancl we found a potential match with a body. 931 00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,615 When we do kinship matching with the DNA from relatives, 932 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,055 because the DNA of the missing person is not available, 933 00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,695 it's a bit more complicated 934 00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:13,175 because we're not looking at an identical profile, 935 00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,055 but parts of the DNA which are shared 936 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,135 between biological relatives, 937 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,695 and therefore we have many advantageous matches 938 00:55:19,720 --> 00:55:21,455 that can be, you know, found. 939 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,135 Was there any indication in the information that came in 940 00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,575 that there could be additional biological relatives? 941 00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,975 The family of Mikael lvarsson 942 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,615 is informed of the grim discoveries in Leeds. 943 00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:42,055 2023, the police contact the family again 944 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:46,015 and told they had a possible DNA match 945 00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:51,055 from a guy in England with Lena, Mikael's mother. 946 00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,615 Mikael's sister, Linda, 947 00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:58,255 thought, when they heard they got a match, that it was Mikael 948 00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:04,615 because the police told it was a possible match. 949 00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,775 They start to talk to friends. 950 00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:12,455 "Oh, now we found Mikael, and he was in Leeds in England." 951 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,775 I think the family felt like, "Oh, now we got the answer. 952 00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,775 "Now we know it was Mikael, 953 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:24,415 "and now we maybe we can go on with life and get some closure." 954 00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:29,055 But there's one final hurdle 955 00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:34,255 that could stand in the way of a definitive 100% identification. 956 00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,615 Hello, it's the Interpol DNA unit. 957 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,215 I'm calling about a missing person case ongoing. 958 00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:41,735 'So if we take, for example, two people in the same room, 959 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,415 'they can have some positions of the DNA which are completely identical.' 960 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,255 But then you look at another region of the DNA, and it's different. 961 00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,335 So it means that these two people 962 00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,615 can have a part of the DNA identical, 963 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,095 even if they're not related. 964 00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,455 But on the last part that you will analyse, 965 00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:57,895 you will see that they are not related 966 00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,895 and it's not the right person you're looking for. 967 00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:03,175 So to minimise the chance of a wrong identification, 968 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,855 you are supposed to look at many positions in the DNA. 969 00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,455 With DNA results imminent, 970 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,175 SIO Damian Roebuck 971 00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,055 pulls both detectives and forensic teams together 972 00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:16,535 for a briefing. 973 00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,895 All right, good afternoon, ladies and gents. 974 00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,255 We're here to brief on Operation Pavon, 975 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,335 the unexplained death of an unidentified male 976 00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:28,135 which occurred on the 31st of October, 2022. 977 00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:29,775 I just wanna conduct with us all 978 00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:34,015 to get us head round the new information that was received. 979 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,295 So, for those who don't know, 980 00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,055 on Monday evening, we received an Interpol notice 981 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,415 with regards to a DNA match 982 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,655 from the DNA we recovered from some of our body parts. 983 00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,935 That DNA match came from Sweden, 984 00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,855 and it's identified a potential match. 985 00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,855 What we can say is that he is a white male. 986 00:57:54,880 --> 00:58:00,015 He would have been 29 years old at the time of his disappearance, 987 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,535 which would make him 48, 49 now. 988 00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,175 The Swedish authorities will have obtained the DNA from the mum 989 00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,975 as a reference sample with him going missing. 990 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,135 They have got that information and then provided that 991 00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,135 to the National Board of Forensic Medicine in Sweden. 992 00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,015 They've clone the DNA work, 993 00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,415 so similar to what I'm doing for us now. 994 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,775 I'm getting our forensic department. 995 00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,815 Our Eurofins, if you like, to do that work for us as well now. 996 00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,375 MAN: So, it's not as if we've got his profile, then? No. 997 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,215 No, they haven't got his. 998 00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,615 In some cases, we obtain the profile, don't we, 999 00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:35,895 through this technique? 1000 00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,255 It's not as if it's matched to him. The match actually... 1001 00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,455 ls to Mum. It's to Mum. Yeah, yeah. 1002 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:46,815 DNA expert James Chapman adds to the police's theory 1003 00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:51,135 that the remains could be those of Mikael lvarsson. 1004 00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,055 We've compared her DNA profile 1005 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,695 to the DNA profile that we've obtained from our dead person, 1006 00:58:55,720 --> 00:59:00,095 and we can see that they share DNA components 1007 00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:01,935 at all of the areas that we can compare. 1008 00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:03,295 So we cannot exclude her 1009 00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:07,015 as being the mother of our deceased individual. 1010 00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,855 But there are some additional areas of DNA that we can test, 1011 00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,535 and that's what we're currently doing at the moment. 1012 00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,015 Should we actually identify that this is our man, 1013 00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:17,495 then I think we're gonna have to look 1014 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,215 at some sort of press release with photographs 1015 00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:21,295 as best we can get them. 1016 00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,295 OK, they're gonna be from 2004, 1017 00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,055 but putting them out into the press to say, 1018 00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,735 "Right, who knows this man and what do they know him as?" 1019 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,095 Ancl that's where we'll build the intelligence picture 1020 00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,455 to find out where he was living within the UK, all being well. 1021 00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,575 But the next steps are actually confirming it's him, of course. 1022 00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,815 The investigation reaches a critical moment. 1023 00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,375 Could the body discovered at the recycling plant 1024 00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,775 be that of Mikael lvarsson? 1025 00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,975 And could he have been murdered? 1026 01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,535 A widespread forensic search of a recycling plant 1027 01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,335 has uncovered the partial remains of a body. 1028 01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,695 DNA testing has confirmed that the body is male 1029 01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,175 and likely to be over the age of 22. 1030 01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:26,255 DNA taken from a foot has revealed a potential match 1031 01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,095 with the mother of a missing man in Sweden - 1032 01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:30,855 Mikael lvarsson. 1033 01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,615 He was last seen 20 years ago. 1034 01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,295 If this is a potential match, that's our starter for ten. 1035 01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,095 We'll have a name, we'll have a person 1036 01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,895 who we know has been living in England at some point. 1037 01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:44,535 Under what name, we're not sure. 1038 01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,815 We've run the name of the missing person in Sweden 1039 01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,095 through our computer systems. 1040 01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:50,415 He doesn't feature. 1041 01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,175 But that's not to mean he wasn't living here under an assumed name. 1042 01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,775 Investigators continue to widen their search 1043 01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,175 for any useful new leads in the case. 1044 01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:06,655 We're also looking at a new process 1045 01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:10,215 called forensic investigative genetic genealogy. 1046 01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,495 But what the FIGG actually looks at 1047 01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,535 is the direct-to-consumer DNA databases, 1048 01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,295 Ancestry.com, 23andMe. 1049 01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:20,655 They're worldwide. 1050 01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,335 People like me and you, everyday members of the public, 1051 01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,775 take a swab, and they send their swabs off to be loaded in. 1052 01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:28,335 That then looks worldwide 1053 01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,375 to see which ancestry line do they come from. 1054 01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:34,015 Ancl it's just a wider database, an international database, 1055 01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:35,655 that we can get more information from. 1056 01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:46,535 The forensics team continue their other inquiries, 1057 01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,215 but the final DNA results from Sweden 1058 01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,055 could take weeks or even months. 1059 01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:55,895 This is the first time I've come across it. 1060 01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,655 Of course, it is... You know, we can't conclusively say at the moment 1061 01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:02,095 whether our body parts are this missing person. 1062 01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,015 The Swedish police will be doing further enquiries on our behalf. 1063 01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,855 So potentially, their loved one has been found over here 1064 01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:09,535 and unfortunately is deceased. 1065 01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,295 But we can't progress that further without actually informing them 1066 01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,735 and actually taking the samples from the family 1067 01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,495 to rule him in or out, either way. 1068 01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,895 West Yorkshire Police and forensic teams 1069 01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,255 have spent a total of 12 months 1070 01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:41,095 trying to identify the human remains found at the recycling centre. 1071 01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,095 And a family in Sweden are waiting to see 1072 01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,455 if their loved one has been found. 1073 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,415 It's been quite a difficult case, really, 1074 01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,335 because without an identification 1075 01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,775 and given the circumstances surrounding the discovery 1076 01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,415 of this unidentified male, it's been very difficult 1077 01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,335 for the investigation to even take off, really. 1078 01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:05,255 The results have arrived. 1079 01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,815 The immediate family of Mikael lvarsson, 1080 01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:13,455 even the boy that was unborn in 2004, has been tested. 1081 01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:18,735 And they have now found out that the human remains found in Leeds 1082 01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,575 has nothing to do with Mikael lvarsson. 1083 01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:29,095 So the family here in Sweden, they will still have the questions. 1084 01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:31,015 What happened to their loved one? 1085 01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:38,255 The final news is a blow to both the police team and to Mikael's family. 1086 01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:44,575 The family was told by the police and had a meeting with the police 1087 01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:49,895 and from one person from the National Board of Forensic, 1088 01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,855 and there, they told it wasn't Mikael. 1089 01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,695 Ancl then the family, they broke down. 1090 01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,455 You can imagine if you thought it was Mikael, 1091 01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:06,055 and then you get a new message that, no, it's not Mikael. 1092 01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:11,095 While the DNA initially had a high probability match 1093 01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:12,895 with Mikael's mother, 1094 01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:16,335 the differences in the DNA on the male side 1095 01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:20,575 ruled out the possibility of the remains being Mikael. 1096 01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,895 Mikael's sister, Linda, told me that if you don't have a body, 1097 01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,815 it's very hard to say a person is dead. 1098 01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:33,015 Ancl Mikael's mother, Lena, told me 1099 01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,535 that they think about Mikael all the time 1100 01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:40,775 and hope that one clay, he will return to his family. 1101 01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:47,375 It must be an awful feeling, not knowing what happened to him. 1102 01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:53,015 The family must keep on living with this uncertainty, 1103 01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,095 what happened to Mikael lvarsson? 1104 01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:58,055 With all the desperation, with all the despair. 1105 01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,815 At the moment, it is professionally frustrating 1106 01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,255 that we can't actually get the answers that we strive to get. 1107 01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:11,055 So I will now look into wider options that are available. 1108 01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:16,975 So going out into ancestry and genealogy DNA opportunities 1109 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,335 which are not routinely used 1110 01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,975 or been tried and tested so much in the UK, 1111 01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,335 but we never stop. 1112 01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:28,335 The case will remain open. It doesn't stop now. 1113 01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,815 We will continue to strive for answers, 1114 01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,695 and for any future technology that becomes available to us, 1115 01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,735 we will look to explore it for this case. 1116 01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:39,775 We've had bodies recovered 1117 01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:44,095 which we've very quickly identified have been the result of a homicide. 1118 01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:45,935 This is the first one that I've had 1119 01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,295 where we've had it in a recycling plant, 1120 01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,375 an unusual area where you wouldn't necessarily find a body, 1121 01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:52,895 and had to start from scratch. 1122 01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,255 A genuine mystery. It's what we join policing for. 1123 01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,095 It may end up once we find out who this person is, 1124 01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:02,415 it is a genuine whodunnit. 1125 01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:03,655 Who's killed him? 1126 01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,735 However, it's actually a who is it to start with, and who is he? 92154

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