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West Yorkshire Police.
What's the emergency?
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MAN: Hello, mate. We're a skip hire,
waste management company.
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We've just found human remains.
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They've just found a foot, mate.
A human foot?
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Yep, yep.
Been through a shredder.
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NICOLA WALKER:
With officers en route,
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the call is immediately referred
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to West Yorkshire Police
forensic teams.
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Leeds CSI, Alicia speaking.
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'I've got officers
at a recycling unit in Yorkshire.
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'They've found a body part.'
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Crime scene manager Alicia
is one of two CSls on duty.
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Whiskey-Romeo-nine-five?
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Alicia and a police rapid response
team are immediately dispatched.
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All right. Thank you.
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SIRENS WAIL
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At the scene,
the forensic team head to where
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the suspected human foot
has been found,
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amid thousands
of kilograms of rubbish.
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The team are in no doubt
about what they have found.
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The human foot is placed
into a secure evidence box.
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KAREN: Right, these are all sorted.
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We're just going to pop them
into this other bag, aren't we?
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Hiya, Pete, it's Alicia.
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So, KMW2.
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I'll just confirm. Wet and dry swab
of left foot, right side.
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OK. Ancl that was seized at 14:39.
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The team now need to consider
if more body parts
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might be amongst the waste.
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Identification of the remains
is now a priority.
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A specialist police search team,
PolSA, have arrived
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to scour this vast site.
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Steve Austin
is the area forensic manager
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assigned to the case.
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One of the challenges we're going to
be met with at this recycling plant
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is the vast amount of waste
that goes through it.
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I recognise that
we could potentially have
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a lot of animal waste,
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a lot of food waste
that will include bones and flesh.
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There will be a PolSA team
down there,
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and it will be a case of us
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working together in order
to look for any body parts,
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to piece the body back together
as much as we can.
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Once they drop stuff in there,
then they'll just go back in
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and scoop it up
and bring it back out. OK.
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The senior investigating officer
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is Detective Superintendent
Tony Nicholson.
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I've been called about
this set of circumstances,
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but one thing I do know
is that my best friend today,
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and probably for every other type
of job that I get called about,
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will be the area forensic manager,
who'll be able to advise me,
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with significant
subject matter expertise,
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around the scene management,
the scene preservation
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and evidential recovery.
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But they're also a gatekeeper
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into a lot of other
specialist, scientific roles,
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which are going to be, I think,
in this case, particularly crucial.
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Minute by minute,
the crime scene investigators
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keep the Homicide
and Major Enquiry Team informed
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of every discovery on site.
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Mr Nicholson.
Hiya, pal. How are you doing?
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Can you do me a big favour, please?
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Would you mind...
Review the log for us.
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Give us some consideration
around CCTV parameters.
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We'll have a briefing
when I get back.
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But can you just have a look at the
bin companies who've used that site,
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and then we'll see what the extent
of those collections are.
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What's your thoughts at this stage?
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Are we thinking body dumped there,
or are we looking at potentially
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it's been brought to the site
as part of the skip deposition?
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Yeah, really difficult. No idea,
quite frankly, at the moment.
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Remarkably, the foot remains intact.
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Given its condition,
it has arrived there very recently.
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The primary goal now
is to obtain DNA.
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Identifying the difference
between human remains
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and flesh and bones from animals
is a difficult task.
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So a senior forensics anthropologist
has been brought in to help.
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The anthropologist will go through
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all the different pieces
of tissue and the bones for us.
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They will identify what is human,
what is non-human.
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But aside from that,
they can also give us
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some interpretation
about what we're finding.
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Steve Austin and crime scene
manager Gerard Sadler
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are shown how the site's
heavy machinery works
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by Sergeant Mick McGowan.
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So the process, the stuff
that were dropped off Wednesday...
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Yeah.
..got dumped here
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and started to get processed
on Friday and Saturday morning.
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So, the process is that
big grabber picks the stuff up,
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drops it into this hopper.
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The hopper does a lot of shaking
about and mangling stuff up.
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Ancl then it drops down
onto the conveyor belt,
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which then goes up,
across and up here.
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While the conveyor belt's
been going,
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that's when they've come across
the foot coming across the belt.
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So they've stopped
all the production everywhere,
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thinking that, well,
somewhere along this process,
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or in that pile over there,
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is the rest of the body,
potentially.
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In terms of time,
what are you thinking?
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Er, at least three clays.
Right.
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As day one of the search concludes,
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the site is secured overnight.
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Senior investigating officer
Tony Nicholson
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recognises the immense task ahead.
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Well, what do we know so far?
Not a great deal.
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At the moment,
we know we've got a human foot.
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We're hoping, obviously,
to get some DNA
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from the examination that
we're currently doing at the moment,
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and that will be
fast-tracked through.
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Ancl with any luck at all,
we'll be able to identify
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to whom that foot belongs.
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The stuff that comes out
the chute there,
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as you say,
he calls it the heavies.
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Yeah. So it's the heavies
and the dense stuff.
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As it stands at the moment,
clearly we've got a mystery.
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We've got a left foot
and no body associated with it.
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We're hoping,
through all the detailed searching
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and examinations that we're doing
here at the site,
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that we'll be able to find
some further body parts
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that might be able to marry up,
with regard to DNA,
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to establish the identity
of those parts.
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NICOLA WALKER:
A specialist police search team
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are being briefed
at a recycling plant
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where a human foot
has been discovered.
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You know, everybody gets a chance
to do a bit.
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Whilst the staff
were doing the recycling
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at the plant yesterday morning,
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they came across a human foot.
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I came yesterday afternoon
with the SIO and CSI,
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and everybody agreed
it's a foot from a human being.
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But there's, potentially,
the rest of the body here.
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So basically, we're going to search
specific areas,
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searching for
the rest of the human remains.
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It's a shit job...
Gotta be done.
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...but we know we know
why we're here,
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we know what we've gotta do
and how we're gonna it.
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So, a search on a site like this
is so extensive
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that we have to make sure
it's meticulous,
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and we have to make sure
that we recover
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every piece of bone fragment
and tissue
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which could be related
to our remains.
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Therefore, we've started
from the larger sizes of waste
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and will go down
to the smaller sizes,
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where we will ensure that
fingertip search is carried out,
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so we obtain every single piece
that may remain here.
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This is it. Area A1 A2.
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So concentrate on A1
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until we've got
sufficiently far back.
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Any clothing that comes out,
adult clothing, male and female,
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needs to be put on a groundsheet
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that we're going
to be putting down here.
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All right?
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Any bones, fleshy bits,
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it's on another sheet.
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Ancl CSI will sort that out
straight away.
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Ultimately, what we'd end up
doing at t'mortuary
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is looking at a reconstruction,
wouldn't we, of the body?
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So I think I'm happy
for it all to go in one. Yeah.
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Ancl what you could almost
look at doing is
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you could literally
just have it as a body bag
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with all the parts going
into the body bag,
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and each clay...
Ancl I'm just putting this out there.
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...we could have it like each clay,
we've got a body bag.
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Any parts we find
each particular clay goes in there,
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zipped up,
and that goes to t'mortuary.
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And each day, we do that.
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With the search system set up,
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the hunt for any
remaining body parts begins,
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as does the full investigation...
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focusing first
on workers at the plant.
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We spoke to all the staff
at the recycling place,
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all the employees there,
all the management.
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We were as satisfied as we could be,
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having spoken to each
and every one of them,
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that they had
no involvement whatsoever
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in the body parts
that had been found.
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That's another bone.
There'll be bones galore.
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But we don't know
whether the human or...
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The team places numbered cones
where human remains are found.
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CSls will then photograph the area.
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That's all we can see to start
with, without going into t'pile.
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There's another bone on t'top,
but we'll get them as we go through.
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Where number nine is,
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there's a big lump of flesh
and some bone and a bit of hair.
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We've no idea what it is,
but obviously, we'll take it out
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and then give it to the
anthropologists to have a look at.
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Anything that could be human
is reserved,
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ready for the expert to analyse.
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There's some stuff
on the pile up there
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that look like ribs
of some description,
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but I'm not to say
whether it's human or not.
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I'm going to put a marker on them.
Photograph them in situ. OK.
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Ancl then lift them.
All right.
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The expert forensic anthropologist
drafted in for the case
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is Drjulie Roberts.
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The police forensics team
have been to the site,
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and they've confirmed
that it's a human foot,
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but they now require a specialist
to come and assist with the search
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to see if there are
any more body parts at the site.
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'A forensic anthropologist
is someone who specialises
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'in human skeletal biology
and anatomy.
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'So we have an in-depth knowledge,
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'and we use that to estimate
things like age at death,
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'biological sex,
the living height of an individual,
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'how robust,
what their body build was like.
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'And we can also look
at individual identifying features
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'that might make that person
more recognisable.'
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We've got some bits already.
Yeah.
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Which they're just photographing
in situ before we pick them off
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and put them on a sheet for you to
have a look at, if that's all right.
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A forensic anthropologist
for 25 years,
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Dr Roberts is based
at Liverpool john Moores University.
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The foot had already been taken
to the mortuary,
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so I was shown a photograph
of what had been found.
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And actually, it proved to be
a bit more than a foot.
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So, it was part of the ankle
and part of the lower leg.
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So probably about up to here.
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You couldn't see the bone.
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It was fully fleshed,
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and it had intact skin
over the surface as well.
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But the size
of the foot and the ankle
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indicated that it was adult-size.
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Forensic teams are used to adapting
to different potential crime scenes,
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but Dr Roberts
and the team's expertise
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is being tested by the site
and its unique challenges.
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I was quite shocked
by the size of it, actually.
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It took up the full length
of a road.
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It was very, very dirty.
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Piles and piles
of waste material everywhere.
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The smell was quite distinctive
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just because of all the rotting
vegetation, meat and waste.
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A lot of animal carcasses
there as well.
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It really was quite bad.
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After hours of searching,
finally, a new discovery.
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Gerard,
you've got some human maxilla there.
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The anthropologist
is just going through
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some of the bones
that we've identified,
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and we've got
some teeth and palate
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mixed up with
a load of animal bones.
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You're quite happy
that they're human? Yeah.
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So, we've got some teeth.
Oh, blimey.
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I don't know
if you wanna fast-track that.
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Yeah. Happy that they're human.
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'There's a lot of useful information
that you can get from teeth
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'if you have the teeth
of the deceased,
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'which can be really helpful
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'when trying to figure out
the identity of the living person.'
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You do, however, need something
to compare that against.
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So usually, if you're going
to get what we call
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a positive identification,
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we would also need to have
the dental records of that person
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to compare them with
the postmortem records that we had.
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In this case, we had no idea
who the individual is.
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As the search continues,
the team need to consider
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if this is one human body
or multiple remains.
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The body parts are transported
back to the mortuary,
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ready for a forensic postmortem
and to try and obtain a DNA profile.
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This data is then interpreted
by forensic scientistjames Chapman.
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The individual DNA fragments
we're looking at
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are not especially unique or
especially rare in their own right,
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but the combination
of all of the DNA components
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makes the DNA profile unique.
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Ancl one way of thinking about that
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is thinking about
the National Lottery
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and what makes that National Lottery
number that you've selected unique
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is the combination
of those numbers together.
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We've got the almost complete
DNA profile of this individual,
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as determined from the swabs
that were taken from the foot,
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and that then allows us to see
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if we can compare that DNA profile
with databases
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and see if there's anybody else
with the same DNA profiles.
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Firstly, the DNA is loaded
to the national DNA database
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to identify if the donor of the body
parts is recorded on the system.
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Investigators will then look
to load the DNA profile
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to the missing persons database
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and then carry out searches
worldwide through Interpol.
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And that can then get forwarded
around by Interpol to other nations,
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and they can then search
their databases,
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and hopefully if they generate
a match, they could feed that back.
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Obtaining DNA and being able
to search around the globe
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is just an amazing opportunity
for us in law enforcement.
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It gives us that facility to be able
to search further afield
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and around the globe.
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Ancl that would always be supported
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from the National Crime Agency
and Interpol.
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At Interpol's headquarters,
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they connect police forces worldwide
to locate missing persons.
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Interpol will be crucial
in identifying
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if the body is a foreign national.
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Dr Susan Hitchin
and Dr Francois Laurent
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specialise in
global missing persons cases.
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Morning.
DR SUSAN: Morning.
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So, Interpol's
primary responsibility
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is to facilitate
the exchange of police data
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amongst our 196 member countries.
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For missing persons, we can assist
police in the different countries
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by providing that secure network
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so that we can help to locate
and find missing persons
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and hopefully reunite them
with their families.
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Where are we on the stats this week
for the notices?
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So, I think we've reached
up to 16,000 yellow notice now.
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'A yellow notice is a global
police alert for missing persons.'
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It will provide information
on the individual
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who has been reported missing,
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and this can be made public at
the choice of the issuing country.
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Behind that notice,
we can also have the police data,
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so the DNA, the fingerprints
and case information
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that will then be used
in our databases
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to hopefully locate that individual.
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What have you seen come through
with biometrics?
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In particular the DNA on the black
and yellows since yesterday.
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Since yesterday, we received
quite a lot of DNA profiles
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from biological relatives
from European countries,
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including Slovakia, for example.
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As soon as we receive any request
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on a missing person case
from a country,
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the biometric data will be inputted
into our biometric databases
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and a response will be given
back to the country.
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This information is stored
on the Interpol database,
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allowing countries
to regularly check
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their own missing persons cases
for matches
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against uploaded data, such as DNA.
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Every message that comes in,
we know that there is a detective
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seeking our assistance
to make that international link.
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1,000km away in Leeds,
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Detective Inspector Guy Shackleton
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is struggling to narrow down
the volume of bin collections
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that arrived on the day
human remains were discovered.
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It's a daunting task, yet it's
currently the only lead they have.
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We can narrow down when the body
or body parts
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have actually gone
to that location.
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So, it's between 24th of October
and 31st of October
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that we've narrowed down.
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Where it becomes a little bit
difficult for yourself is
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we've got 95 skip deposits
at that location.
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MAN: Between those dates?
Between those dates.
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Ancl we've got 172 vehicle deposits.
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Right.
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So that gives you an idea.
That's quite a lot.
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Yeah.
Now, it gets a little bit worse
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because what we then look further at
is where are those pick-ups from.
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Ancl what I can tell you on that
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is we are looking at West,
South and North Yorkshire
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and potentially
a little bit wider than that
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because of, effectively,
subcontracting as well.
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How many premises
are we talking from?
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In a nutshell,
we're talking thousands.
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We're not talking hundreds,
we're talking thousands. Really?
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Ancl I think if we're looking
at being realistic and proportionate
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as to what we're trying to...
what we're trying to narrow down,
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I just think that's not achievable,
really.
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HE SIGHS
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I think we can fairly safely say
that this is gonna be
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quite an extensive
and complex investigation.
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At the site, the team questions
if there is more than one body,
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and if so, how they ended up here.
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They ramp up their efforts
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to uncover
any additional human remains.
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This is
a very resource-intensive search
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because we have such a vast site,
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large amount of waste
to search through.
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So it's pretty much
all hands to the pump,
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and any licensed search officers
that we have, if they are available,
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are being deployed to this site
to assist in the search.
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Dr Roberts takes
Sergeant Mick McGowan
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through the latest discoveries.
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Oh, what, that big bit?
Yeah.
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Then that bit from over there.
Where the foot came.
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Yeah. So it's got a...
got most of the thighbone,
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it's got a kneecap,
and it's got the...
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I can see it now.
Yeah.
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...t0p part of the upper leg as well.
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We've got bones and body parts from
different areas of the body as well.
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So we've got... We've got jaw,
but we've got leg, we've got foot.
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So, erm,
it's not just from one area.
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Can we have a photograph
of this as well, please?
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At this stage, the team is unsure
if the human remains
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belong to one single individual
or multiple corpses.
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We've managed to now locate
and recover
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quite a few body parts at this site,
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and we have been having discussions
about what's called DVI.
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DVI stands for
Disaster Victim Identification.
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It's a process that we often use
at a major disaster,
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for example, a plane crash where
you've got multiple casualties.
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You've had a conversation
regarding DVI.
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Yeah, yeah, I have, from HMET.
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We're asking
about keeping an open mind
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to whether we've got more than one
deceased person here.
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Ancl I said, "Well, if we start
finding parts that'd suggest that,
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"then we will start looking
at different processes."
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We're relying
on our scientific experts,
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our anthropologists
and our pathologists,
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to assist us
because we still don't know
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whether we have just one body
in the site or multiple bodies.
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In West Yorkshire,
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human remains found two days ago
in a recycling plant
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have left investigators wondering if
they're dealing with just one body
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or possibly more.
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So, at this moment in time,
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we're gonna stick
with the process we've got
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with polSA doing a fingertip search
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and the CSI team
supporting that search.
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SIO Tony Nicholson
arrives for an update
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as Dr Roberts receives
another discovery.
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So, this is the one...
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This is the one that
they've just brought out. Yeah.
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You've got skull here.
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You've got some of his head here.
You what, sorry?
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You've got some of his head.
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Wow. Head?
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That's the base of his skull.
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Wow.
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It's the base of his skull.
Yeah.
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That's the back of his neck.
Back of his neck?
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Yeah. And his hair.
Yeah.
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That's the back. And that's
the base of his skull, so...
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That's just the skin.
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Yeah. It's quite a thick part
of his skull.
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'We discovered
some fragments of skull
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'which were attached
to some soft tissue.'
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So, just to show you on the diagram,
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this is looking
at the base of the skull
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underneath here.
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We've got one small fragment at
the back and one at the side there.
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And on this model,
you can see it's just here
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around the edge
of the for a men magnum,
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which is the hole through which
the spinal column exits the brain.
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They were embedded in decomposed,
disrupted soft tissue,
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which included the neck,
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and it also included
the bottom part of the scalp.
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So we actually had some of the hair
and the hairline at the back,
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so we could see the colour of
the hair and the length of the hair.
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There were also some vertebrae
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embedded in that soft tissue
as well.
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'It's very difficult to know
at this stage
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'in what direction the investigation
is going to go.'
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We're concentrating our efforts
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on continuing the forensic search
of the premises, of the property.
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This latest discovery
gives the police
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another valuable clue
to help with identification.
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I'll turn it over in a minute,
and I'll just... It's attached.
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You've got a piece
of arm bone here as well.
444
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Arm?
Yeah.
445
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How can you tell
by just a little bit? Jesus.
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So it's all joined up.
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Brilliant.
Yeah.
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00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,615
Let's go and tell them.
Yeah, aye, absolutely.
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With each body part discovered,
Dr Roberts is increasingly sure
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that they are dealing
with a single body.
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Our working hypothesis
was that all these body parts
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were from the same individual,
and that was based on the fact
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that we didn't have any repeated
bones or repeated joints.
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They were all the same
in terms of size and morphology,
455
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in terms of size and shape.
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So they all seem to look as though
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they belonged
to the same individual.
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We also had a small number
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which could actually be fitted back
together again.
460
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You couldn't be 100% certain unless
you DNA tested every fragment,
461
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but on the balance of probabilities,
we can be reasonably certain
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that these body parts
all came from the same person.
463
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It's very difficult to actually
provide any sort of firm hypothesis
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as to what might have happened to
this poor individual at this stage.
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The question for detectives is
who might this person be?
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Across Europe, Interpol
is contacting police forces
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to try and obtain a DNA match with
the body part found in Yorkshire.
468
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,095
Over 30 years,
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journalistjohan Romin has reported
on many missing persons cases.
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Now a disappearance
from 20 years ago
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has caught his attention,
472
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,415
and he believes it could be linked
to the grisly discoveries in Leeds.
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Mikael lvarsson was an ordinary
Swedish guy, 29 years old.
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He lived here in Varberg
in Western Sweden.
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He was an ordinary guy.
He had just bought a house.
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00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:44,215
He worked as a machinist on a ferry,
and he came from a loving family
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with a father and mother,
two brothers and a sister.
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00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:53,735
Ancl also, he had a four-year-old
daughter with an ex-partner
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and also an unborn child
with a new girlfriend.
480
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,895
Mikael lvarsson was a guy who really
loved motorcycles and travelling.
481
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,895
He had been travelling
all around the world.
482
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,575
At one point,
he went with a motorcycle
483
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,295
from Cape Town in South Africa
all the way up here to Sweden.
484
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,655
That's a long trip to do,
485
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,535
and it says a lot about
his kind of character, I think.
486
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,695
Ancl in 2004, he called
his ex-girlfriend and told her,
487
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,735
"You must go and pick up
our daughter immediately."
488
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,775
Ancl the ex-girlfriend thought
it was quite strange.
489
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,215
Ancl then he vanished
without a trace.
490
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:45,855
For the past two decades,
Mikael's body has not been found.
491
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,055
No-one knows
if he travelled overseas.
492
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,735
Knowing the body at the recycling
plant could have come from anywhere,
493
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,335
police are still
without a solid lead.
494
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,695
If we're gonna find big bits,
495
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,895
it's gonna be
from that lot over there. Right.
496
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,855
The search shifts to any other items
that might help with identification.
497
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,215
We were looking for anything
498
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,815
that might be on the person
who's ended up here.
499
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:23,095
So that is clothing,
jewellery, electricals and keys.
500
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,055
And then once we've collected
all this material,
501
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,775
we then make the decision,
502
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,375
what's gonna take us further
in the investigation?
503
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,735
The team have also been collecting
504
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,015
several mobile phones
from the scene
505
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,895
that could hold vital information.
506
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,295
We're assessing the phones
that we found so far
507
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,735
because we might have
to link the phone DNA
508
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,615
to the DNA that we've picked up
from the parts that we've found.
509
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,975
So if we can do that,
then it gives us a chance
510
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,175
on the intelligence front to see
what we can get from the phone
511
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,535
and potentially get
further lines of inquiry
512
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,975
from the items that were found
within the rubble.
513
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,695
Because we seize
and secure those items,
514
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,015
it allows us to periodically,
as the investigation progresses,
515
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,895
to review those items
516
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,575
to see if we've got anything
that's relevant.
517
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,335
In Sweden,
518
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,735
the investigation into the
disappearance of Mikael lvarsson
519
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,855
20 years ago continues.
520
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,055
Right before
Mikael lvarsson disappeared,
521
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,095
he called his ex-partner
and told her,
522
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,935
"You must go
and pick up our daughter."
523
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,495
He had a four-year-old daughter.
524
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,295
Ancl when the mother came
to pick her daughter up,
525
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,615
the child was doing something
with a piece of jewellery,
526
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,535
and she asked, "What is that?"
527
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,135
"I got this from my daddy,"
the daughter said.
528
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,535
Ancl it was a piece of jewellery
shaped as an anchor.
529
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,935
It's quite strange because he was
working on a ship as a machinist.
530
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,775
I mean,
it's a connection to the anchor,
531
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,495
but also,
this is the symbol of hope.
532
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:12,335
The strange thing was that he also
gave a kind of piece of jewellery
533
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,535
to his unborn child.
534
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,735
So, did Mikael lvarsson
intend to disappear?
535
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,575
Another journalist, Par Lindqvist,
536
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,415
asked these questions directly
to Mikael |varsson's family.
537
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:33,295
They were really worried
about what happened to Mikael.
538
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,415
The family talk about
if it was any crime or like that.
539
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:46,255
But they thought
that Mikael had no enemies.
540
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,695
After the disappearance,
it was discovered
541
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,775
that Mikael |varsson's car had been
parked here in centralvarberg.
542
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,415
When I talked to the sister,
she said
543
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,215
the sister, Linda,
and Mikael was really close,
544
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,815
and they talk about anything.
545
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,175
Ancl she said that no way,
546
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,415
he never going to leave
his daughter or children.
547
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,015
The ex-partner of Mikael lvarsson
became very worried.
548
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,215
So she called the mother
of Mikael lvarsson.
549
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,575
Ancl later on,
they went to the house
550
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,735
to look for him
and to go through his things.
551
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,855
Ancl they saw that all his clothes
were still in the house,
552
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,295
and his passport was also there.
553
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,255
So if he had left voluntarily
and left Sweden,
554
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,135
why would he leave his passport
in the house?
555
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,415
It's quite strange.
556
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,255
There was one lead
that Swedish police tracked.
557
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,215
A couple of clays later,
they found a signal
558
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,935
from his mobile phone
in the south of Norway.
559
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:01,695
The family thought...
560
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,495
At that time, he worked
as an engineer in a big ferry.
561
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:10,175
Maybe he took the ferry to Norway,
but they didn't know.
562
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,055
Ancl that's the last sign from...
from Mikael.
563
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,175
In Yorkshire,
the search of the site continues.
564
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:27,135
See, that's the knee there.
That's the shin bone.
565
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,775
And then the top bit's the...
MAN: Thigh bone.
566
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,575
You've got
quite a good length of it.
567
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,775
And with this you've got, erm...
568
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,015
That's the back
and the base of his skull.
569
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,415
And that's the top vertebra there,
where the skull meets the head.
570
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:49,855
And then there, you've got at least
three or four bones from his neck,
571
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,575
and then you've got
some of his arm bone there.
572
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,415
Saying "he"?
I am saying "he".
573
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,175
There's a lot of body hair
if it's a female,
574
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,935
but you never know.
575
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,215
There's nothing
definitively male yet.
576
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,295
But they'll get that with the DNA.
577
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,695
Even if they don't get an identity,
they'll still find out
578
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,055
whether he's male or female
from the DNA.
579
00:34:11,240 --> 00:34:16,375
DNA expertjames Chapman is trying
to determine the sex of the body.
580
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,735
So, this very first area here,
581
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,735
it's got two peaks with an X and a Y
denoted against them.
582
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,335
That's basically telling me
that's a male DNA profile
583
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,815
because it's got an X chromosome
and a Y chromosome.
584
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,735
Knowing definitively
that this person is male
585
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,935
is a massive step forward.
586
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,935
But there's also a major step back.
587
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,935
Domestically, we've searched it
on the national DNA database.
588
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,455
Got no matches.
589
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,895
This means the unidentified male
has no criminal record in the UK
590
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,975
and does not appear
on the missing persons database.
591
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,015
All hopes lie in a lead
from the international search.
592
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,735
Interpol, from their HQ in Lyon,
593
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:08,375
liaises with police forces
in nearly 200 countries.
594
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,415
In the UK, someone is reported
missing every 90 seconds,
595
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,415
and it's estimated that a quarter
of missing person cases
596
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,055
will have a transnational dimension,
597
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,655
and this will require
the exchange of police data
598
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,095
across countries' boundaries.
599
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,895
So, we're almost reaching
10,000 yellow notices,
600
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,855
which are on the public
Interpol website.
601
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,175
We see a large increase
in the requests of countries
602
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,015
to submit this data to other
countries through Interpol.
603
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,255
In our experience,
604
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,455
we don't actually see
a type of person that goes missing.
605
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,335
It could be male, female,
different ages, young children,
606
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,695
and it affects
all parts of the world.
607
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:50,415
So there are many reasons
why a person may go missing.
608
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:55,015
It may be that a young person
has decided to run away from home.
609
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,815
It may be that
there are victims of crime
610
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,015
that are then gonna be unidentified.
611
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:10,455
Two decades ago, a family reported
their 29-year-old son missing.
612
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,335
The discoveries in Yorkshire
may be their last hope.
613
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:20,335
Ancl of course, the family wants
to know what happened to their son,
614
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,535
to their brother, to their father.
615
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,495
In 2004, when Mikael lvarsson
disappeared from Varberg,
616
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,695
there wasn't too much
in the media about it.
617
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:34,735
Ancl then many people ask, why?
618
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,295
Why wasn't this covered more
in the national media?
619
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,735
I think it was
because the local police here,
620
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:47,095
they... they didn't investigate this
a whole lot.
621
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,655
Mikael's family didn't think
that the police did enough
622
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,015
to investigate the case.
623
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,615
The police said
that if you are a grown-up,
624
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,615
you can disappear if you want
625
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:05,775
and they don't start
an investigation about that case.
626
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,335
As it stands at the moment,
we've got a timescale
627
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,255
where, potentially,
our body has been deposited.
628
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,735
We've got the foot,
and then we've got
629
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,415
another few pieces of body parts
that we've recovered.
630
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,335
We know that the foot
belongs to a male.
631
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,575
We've got DNA extracted from that.
632
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,375
But there's nothing,
nothing that's gonna assist us,
633
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,935
on the national databases,
either the national DNA database
634
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,295
or indeed the Misper database,
as it stands at the moment.
635
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,655
We've also got
a whole host and multitude
636
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,015
of different potential
pick-up sites,
637
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,655
and that includes both industrial
and indeed household.
638
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,375
They feed back into this main site.
Yeah.
639
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,135
So at the moment,
what else do we not know?
640
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,655
We can't even say if it's been a
full body that's gone into the site.
641
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,935
Ancl then as a result of the
machines, that's been taken apart,
642
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,855
or have we got a situation where,
more sinister,
643
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,215
we've got body parts
that have been chopped up,
644
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:10,135
at a location away from there and
has been subsequently dumped there?
645
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,895
After human remains were discovered
646
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,255
at a recycling plant
in West Yorkshire,
647
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,935
police and forensics
have been tirelessly searching
648
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,695
for all the body parts.
649
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:39,455
With time ticking away,
650
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:44,415
the search team are feeling
the pressure to deliver results.
651
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:51,135
So, the team have just found
this large piece of soft tissue,
652
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,055
which is human skin,
some decomposed muscle tissue.
653
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,255
All options are open, really.
You could be talking about homicide.
654
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,855
You could be talking
about an accident.
655
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,615
You could be talking
about something,
656
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,455
somebody was falling asleep
and just died of natural causes
657
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,255
in a wheelie bin,
for all we know at the moment.
658
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,455
GUY". And we've had that before,
Tony, haven't we?
659
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,855
It looks as though
it's probably from the torso,
660
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,015
from the back
and also from the chest area
661
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,015
and possibly a belly button as well,
and some body hairs.
662
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,855
There are a couple of pieces
of ends of rib
663
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,255
attached as well to the inside
of the chest wall.
664
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,655
Homeless people, drunk,
that have climbed into wheelie bins
665
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,615
to get out
of the weather conditions, etc.
666
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,575
Ancl tragic accidents have happened.
667
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,255
But on the other side of it,
668
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,095
we can't rule out something
more sinister that has taken place,
669
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,375
and I think that's where we've got
to go with it, really, haven't we?
670
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:59,415
At the site, police search adviser
Mick is exploring a new lead.
671
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,055
Could the body have been dismembered
in the truck
672
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,615
that brought it to the site?
673
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:09,175
So, the process that they do
is the rear of the wagon lifts up,
674
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,975
which is the bit
that is the mechanical bit.
675
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,375
Once he's opened that up, then
they're able to lift the wagon up
676
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,655
and push all the rubbish out,
which you'll see now.
677
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,135
So this bit...
678
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,735
...picks all the rubbish up,
tips it in,
679
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,095
and then there's a compressor
680
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,935
that pushes it down inside
against that blade.
681
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,815
Ancl that blade then goes
towards the front of the cab,
682
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,095
which is basically squashing
it all together.
683
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,455
Once it arrives in the bin wagon,
684
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,135
it'd be very difficult unless
somebody physically sees it.
685
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,975
That will not be discovered.
686
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,175
As day three of the search
comes to an end,
687
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,215
less than a third of the body
has been recovered.
688
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,415
I'm still hopeful
in what we've got left to search,
689
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,615
but we will continue to find items.
690
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,255
Because of the process of the plant
691
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,615
and the machinery
that they're using to recycle,
692
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,415
there could be quite a bit
that's already left the site
693
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,695
prior to us getting here.
694
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:09,855
But I'm still confident,
695
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,615
and I will always remain confident
until I finish the search.
696
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,695
Unexpectedly,
the police then uncover a new lead.
697
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:21,495
A missing local man
suddenly becomes the focus.
698
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,615
In the lab,
forensics examine his belongings,
699
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,175
including a toothbrush, for DNA.
700
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,815
So, our research has now identified
a potential missing person
701
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:38,015
who we believe could be
the unidentified human remains.
702
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,575
So what we'll now do is we will send
that toothbrush in for DNA testing.
703
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,535
DNA can retain on items
for a set amount of time,
704
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,975
but factors regarding environment,
how it's stored, where it's been
705
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,655
will have an influence as to whether
706
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,975
we would actually get
a DNA profile from it.
707
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,095
Could the DNA being taken
from this toothbrush
708
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,575
hold the key to identification?
709
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,975
I can't rule him in or out in
relation to it being our body parts.
710
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,495
I think it's one of those that
we've just got to keep an open mind
711
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,415
and we've got to make sure
that we cover all avenues.
712
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,095
With forensics still centre stage
in the investigation,
713
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,135
now shoes and clothing
need to be analysed.
714
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,135
So far, all the flesh and tissue
we're finding
715
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,895
hasn't got any clothing attached,
has it? No.
716
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:41,135
We haven't been able
to find any remnants
717
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,175
of clothing
on any of the body parts.
718
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,575
It's hard to say whether the body
was clothed or not
719
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,575
because of the disruption
that's been caused
720
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,575
during the process
at the recycling plant.
721
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,135
So, what I've been doing is doing
a little composite diagram.
722
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,135
So the bones that are coloured in...
723
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,095
Yeah.
..that's what we've recovered.
724
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,495
OK. This drawing around is just
the soft tissue, disrupted muscles.
725
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:11,015
So we've got those actual bones,
and then we've got skin as well.
726
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,055
Here, that looks like quite
a large area. That's just skin.
727
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,895
We don't have those bones
within there.
728
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:22,615
At the forensic lab, the results
from the toothbrush are in.
729
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:27,295
We've got a nice clear and complete
male DNA profile.
730
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,375
I've compared that with
the DNA profile that we obtained
731
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,855
from the body parts found
at the skip site.
732
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,655
Basically, I've determined
that they are not the same male.
733
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,215
The news is passed
to the investigators.
734
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:45,015
The DNA testing has come back now,
735
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,375
and that result
has now confirmed that it isn't...
736
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,135
It isn't our missing person that
that those body parts relate to.
737
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,015
It can be frustrating,
738
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,975
but it's one of a number
of lines of inquiry
739
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,415
we're undertaking at the moment.
740
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,495
With the investigation stalling,
forensics widen their approach
741
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:07,415
in searching for matches using
alternative DNA testing techniques.
742
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,655
We'll look at other specialist
techniques that can be clone.
743
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,415
So, one of those is Y-STR.
744
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:20,855
So, Y-STR is where a female is XX
and a male is XY.
745
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,695
The Y is what's passed through
the male line of a family.
746
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:28,655
So father passes to son
who passes to their sons, and so on.
747
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:33,375
Doing the Y-STR profile may help us
to narrow down our searches.
748
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,575
We can also do what's called
familial DNA searches
749
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,415
on the national database.
750
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,255
What that will give us, hopefully,
751
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,175
tell us whether
there's any parents or siblings
752
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,695
of our unidentified male.
753
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:50,535
Following that,
I will then engage further
754
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,055
with our forensic service providers
of what other options are available,
755
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,775
such as genealogy, where we start
to look at relatives of the person.
756
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,775
When a police force can't find
a match on the various databases,
757
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,095
they reach out to Interpol
and issue a black notice.
758
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:10,655
This international alert
759
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,095
seeks worldwide information
on unidentified bodies.
760
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,815
Our command and coordination centre
could be considered
761
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,855
as an international 999 call
762
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,575
for those countries needing
international assistance
763
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,015
in their police investigations.
764
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:32,335
The UK police's black notice appeal
may now be the final chance.
765
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,575
Hi, Campbell.
Hey.
766
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,095
So, we have this pending case.
767
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,695
The DNA seems to indicate
that it could be the same person.
768
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:43,055
So the reason why a country
can send DNA profile
769
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,575
attached to a black notice
is to alert other countries
770
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,975
that they have a body
that they can't identify,
771
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,335
and they may believe
that the answer
772
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,055
is outside
of their national borders.
773
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,095
So they want to reach out
to many countries
774
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,255
and see if one of the country
has some police information
775
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,735
that could lead
to the identification of the body.
776
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,575
And therefore, when we receive it,
777
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,055
the DNA profile
is entered in our system,
778
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,735
it searches against
any missing person profile.
779
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,095
And then if we find
a potential connection,
780
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,455
we can alert both countries
and let them know
781
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,415
that there is a lead
that can be followed
782
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,975
to hopefully get to
the identification of the person.
783
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,335
So, in the case
of an unidentified body,
784
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,535
we have the possibility to use
different primary identifiers,
785
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,615
such as DNA, fingerprint or face,
for example, dental as well.
786
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,775
And so it depends on the state
of degradation of the body.
787
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,175
Sometimes, we only find bones,
for example,
788
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,615
and the only solution is DNA.
789
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,055
Without key information
like body age,
790
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,255
the team are struggling to move
the investigation forward.
791
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,095
A lot is resting on the DNA.
792
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,775
At the site, the team is frustrated.
793
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,815
None of the larger body parts
have provided any answers.
794
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,735
The team is now sifting
through piles
795
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,415
of small, tiny fragments of waste.
796
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,975
It's a lot more difficult now
because it is so small.
797
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,335
So it means that we're gonna have
to go through it
798
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,015
fingertip stroke
with the actual tools
799
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,295
just to make sure
that we're not missing anything.
800
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,015
Because if the process is right,
801
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,415
the stuff that's coming out here
is a lot finer.
802
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,695
So it'll have been crushed up more,
so it will be finer pieces.
803
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,375
DR MICOL: It's a collarbone.
MAN: Ah, right.
804
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,735
So that's... That is human.
805
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,495
We found a clavicle,
which is a collarbone.
806
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,455
This was really useful for us
807
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,935
because in terms
of skeletal development,
808
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,615
the clavicle is the last bone
809
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,735
to complete its development
in the body.
810
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,255
So what we're looking at,
particularly on the clavicle,
811
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,655
you can see on this model,
is this end here.
812
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,455
That fuses quite late.
813
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:59,175
So it can be any time between about
22 years and right up to 29 or 30,
814
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,535
depending on the individual.
815
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,375
When I assessed
the end of the clavicle
816
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,095
from looking at the CT scan,
I could see that it was fully fused.
817
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,655
So that gave me confidence
818
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,975
that the individual
from the recycling plant
819
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,215
was at least 22 years of age
at death.
820
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,975
Yet, even after five days
of intensive searching,
821
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,055
the lack of progress on identity
822
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,815
leaves detectives
with huge challenges.
823
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,175
Having meticulously combed
mountains of waste,
824
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,335
the search has reached a standstill.
825
00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:54,695
We have recovered
all the human remains from the site,
826
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:57,775
but that still only adds up
to approximately one third.
827
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,335
Therefore, the other two thirds,
we can only assume,
828
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,095
has gone through the recycling plant
and through the different processes
829
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,575
and taken from that site
830
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,255
prior to the police being alerted
from staff who work there.
831
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,215
We were able
to identify some marks
832
00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:23,695
on some of the bone,
which look like claw marks
833
00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:26,815
from the machine
that had caused the damage,
834
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,735
indicating that the bones
835
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,975
had actually been through
the heavy machinery at the plant.
836
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,335
However, we don't know how big
837
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,935
that body part was originally
when it went in.
838
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,735
It looks as though the body
may have been whole
839
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,215
when it went through the machine,
840
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:43,415
but we couldn't say that
conclusively.
841
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,655
As the search on the site
comes to an end,
842
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,175
Detective Chief Inspector
Damian Roebuck
843
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,535
is reviewing the progress so far
in the case.
844
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,775
We've been at the waste recycling
site now for the past five clays.
845
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,055
We've put one of our polSA
search teams through there,
846
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,375
along with our forensics.
847
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,295
I'm confident that we've recovered
848
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,735
all the body parts
that were present there,
849
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,335
and we're gonna be
shutting the scene down.
850
00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:14,055
The aim of finding the whole body
is not just to identify them,
851
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,375
it's to identify a cause of death.
852
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,455
Not finding the whole remains
853
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,415
does limit our opportunities
to identify them,
854
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,655
but we still have the opportunity
of DNA to identify who it is.
855
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:30,175
With DNA profiles uploaded
onto global databases,
856
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,855
investigators have the best possible
chance of solving this case,
857
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:35,815
but they must wait.
858
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,855
Their attention
now turns back to Sweden.
859
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:45,775
In 2021, Mikael lvarsson
had been gone missing for 17 years,
860
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:51,015
and the family felt that maybe
some other person in Sweden,
861
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,975
or in Varberg, here,
had some more information,
862
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,575
so they turned
to the local newspaper.
863
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,895
The family made an appeal
for more information,
864
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,895
and Mikael's mother
had her DNA taken by police
865
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,535
and uploaded
to an international database.
866
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,575
And the hope was that if they would
find a body somewhere in the world
867
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,215
and that DNA would match
with the mother's DNA,
868
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:20,335
that would bring maybe a conclusion
to this case.
869
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:28,055
It's been four months
since the human foot was discovered
870
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,335
in a recycling plant in Yorkshire.
871
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:35,775
With missing persons databases
across the globe alerted,
872
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,335
it's a waiting game.
873
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,735
In the last 24 hours,
we've had a development
874
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,775
where we've been notified
that Swedish authorities
875
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,135
received some notification
876
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,575
that there had been
unidentified body parts
877
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,415
in the West Yorkshire area,
878
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:56,495
and those body parts are a potential
match for a familial sample
879
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,215
that was provided by the mother
of a missing person.
880
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,695
So, what we'll now look at is
our next steps for this case
881
00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:07,655
as to what we're going to do
and what us next options will be
882
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,175
to try and identify whether,
in fact, it is the same male.
883
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,775
This could be
quite a significant development.
884
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,775
This might be the mother
of our unidentified male.
885
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,495
Four months
after a human foot was found
886
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,415
in a Yorkshire recycling plant,
887
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,375
the identity remains unknown.
888
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,255
Now, Swedish authorities have
informed West Yorkshire Police
889
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,295
that the remains might be linked
to Mikael lvarsson,
890
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,295
missing in Sweden for 20 years.
891
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,935
The next step
is to obtain DNA samples
892
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,935
from |varsson's family
to complete his profile.
893
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,295
In August 2021,
894
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,215
the Swedish authorities obtained
a DNA profile from his mother,
895
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:10,015
and they provided
that DNA profile to Interpol.
896
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,495
The DNA profile
from our unidentified male
897
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,935
has also been provided to Interpol.
898
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:21,415
From there, Interpol have then
advised the Swedish authorities
899
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,975
that the DNA profile
they have obtained
900
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,375
and the DNA profile we have
obtained may well be consistent
901
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,655
with being the mother
of the male that we've located.
902
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:39,295
News has also reached detectives.
903
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,415
This is a massive breakthrough
for the case going forward.
904
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,775
I think when you look
at the circumstances
905
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:49,295
of we've got a missing person abroad
in Sweden and it matches our DNA,
906
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,655
there's further work to do
to confirm this,
907
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,015
but at this stage,
yeah, it's looking promising
908
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,855
that we might be able
to actually identify our body parts.
909
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,535
As the investigation progresses,
910
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,855
it's up to the detectives
to follow the leads,
911
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,415
wherever they might take them.
912
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,895
We've got numerous things
recovered by polSA,
913
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,855
and that's why we were so convinced
we were on the right horse.
914
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,815
We can't conclusively say
at the moment
915
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,655
whether our body parts
are this missing person,
916
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,095
but it was only right
that the Swedish authorities
917
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,935
approached the family to explain
there is a potential link,
918
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:27,655
and that's all it is at this stage.
919
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,695
'But obviously,
we've got to inform them
920
00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:32,255
'because we are doing
some further inquiries,
921
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,255
'or the Swedish police will be doing
further inquiries on our behalf.'
922
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,455
So we had to give them the detail
of what we'd found.
923
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,895
So potentially, their loved one
has been found over here
924
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,415
and, unfortunately, is deceased.
925
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:50,255
UK and Swedish police are exchanging
information through Interpol
926
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,295
to further the investigation.
927
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:54,815
DR SUSAN: So, what have we got here?
928
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,215
So, a very promising
biological association.
929
00:54:57,240 --> 00:55:00,015
So it's a pedigree with the mother
of the missing person.
930
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,335
Ancl we found a potential match
with a body.
931
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,615
When we do kinship matching
with the DNA from relatives,
932
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,055
because the DNA of
the missing person is not available,
933
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,695
it's a bit more complicated
934
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:13,175
because we're not looking
at an identical profile,
935
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,055
but parts of the DNA
which are shared
936
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,135
between biological relatives,
937
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,695
and therefore we have
many advantageous matches
938
00:55:19,720 --> 00:55:21,455
that can be, you know, found.
939
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,135
Was there any indication
in the information that came in
940
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,575
that there could be
additional biological relatives?
941
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,975
The family of Mikael lvarsson
942
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,615
is informed
of the grim discoveries in Leeds.
943
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:42,055
2023, the police contact
the family again
944
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:46,015
and told they had
a possible DNA match
945
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:51,055
from a guy in England with Lena,
Mikael's mother.
946
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,615
Mikael's sister, Linda,
947
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:58,255
thought, when they heard they got
a match, that it was Mikael
948
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:04,615
because the police told
it was a possible match.
949
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,775
They start to talk to friends.
950
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:12,455
"Oh, now we found Mikael,
and he was in Leeds in England."
951
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,775
I think the family felt like,
"Oh, now we got the answer.
952
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,775
"Now we know it was Mikael,
953
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:24,415
"and now we maybe we can go on
with life and get some closure."
954
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:29,055
But there's one final hurdle
955
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:34,255
that could stand in the way
of a definitive 100% identification.
956
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,615
Hello, it's the Interpol DNA unit.
957
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,215
I'm calling about
a missing person case ongoing.
958
00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:41,735
'So if we take, for example,
two people in the same room,
959
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,415
'they can have some positions of the
DNA which are completely identical.'
960
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,255
But then you look at another region
of the DNA, and it's different.
961
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,335
So it means that these two people
962
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,615
can have a part of the DNA
identical,
963
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,095
even if they're not related.
964
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,455
But on the last part
that you will analyse,
965
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:57,895
you will see
that they are not related
966
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,895
and it's not the right person
you're looking for.
967
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:03,175
So to minimise the chance
of a wrong identification,
968
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,855
you are supposed to look
at many positions in the DNA.
969
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,455
With DNA results imminent,
970
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,175
SIO Damian Roebuck
971
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,055
pulls both detectives
and forensic teams together
972
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:16,535
for a briefing.
973
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,895
All right,
good afternoon, ladies and gents.
974
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,255
We're here to brief
on Operation Pavon,
975
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,335
the unexplained death
of an unidentified male
976
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:28,135
which occurred
on the 31st of October, 2022.
977
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:29,775
I just wanna conduct with us all
978
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:34,015
to get us head round the new
information that was received.
979
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,295
So, for those who don't know,
980
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,055
on Monday evening,
we received an Interpol notice
981
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,415
with regards to a DNA match
982
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,655
from the DNA we recovered
from some of our body parts.
983
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,935
That DNA match came from Sweden,
984
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,855
and it's identified
a potential match.
985
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,855
What we can say is
that he is a white male.
986
00:57:54,880 --> 00:58:00,015
He would have been 29 years old
at the time of his disappearance,
987
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,535
which would make him 48, 49 now.
988
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,175
The Swedish authorities will
have obtained the DNA from the mum
989
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,975
as a reference sample
with him going missing.
990
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,135
They have got that information
and then provided that
991
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,135
to the National Board
of Forensic Medicine in Sweden.
992
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,015
They've clone the DNA work,
993
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,415
so similar
to what I'm doing for us now.
994
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,775
I'm getting our forensic department.
995
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,815
Our Eurofins, if you like, to do
that work for us as well now.
996
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,375
MAN: So, it's not as if we've got
his profile, then? No.
997
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,215
No, they haven't got his.
998
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,615
In some cases, we obtain
the profile, don't we,
999
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:35,895
through this technique?
1000
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,255
It's not as if it's matched to him.
The match actually...
1001
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,455
ls to Mum.
It's to Mum. Yeah, yeah.
1002
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:46,815
DNA expert James Chapman
adds to the police's theory
1003
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:51,135
that the remains could be those
of Mikael lvarsson.
1004
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,055
We've compared her DNA profile
1005
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,695
to the DNA profile that
we've obtained from our dead person,
1006
00:58:55,720 --> 00:59:00,095
and we can see
that they share DNA components
1007
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:01,935
at all of the areas
that we can compare.
1008
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:03,295
So we cannot exclude her
1009
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:07,015
as being the mother
of our deceased individual.
1010
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,855
But there are some additional areas
of DNA that we can test,
1011
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,535
and that's what we're
currently doing at the moment.
1012
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,015
Should we actually identify
that this is our man,
1013
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:17,495
then I think
we're gonna have to look
1014
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,215
at some sort of press release
with photographs
1015
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:21,295
as best we can get them.
1016
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,295
OK, they're gonna be from 2004,
1017
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,055
but putting them out
into the press to say,
1018
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,735
"Right, who knows this man
and what do they know him as?"
1019
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,095
Ancl that's where we'll build
the intelligence picture
1020
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,455
to find out where he was living
within the UK, all being well.
1021
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,575
But the next steps are actually
confirming it's him, of course.
1022
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,815
The investigation reaches
a critical moment.
1023
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,375
Could the body discovered
at the recycling plant
1024
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,775
be that of Mikael lvarsson?
1025
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,975
And could he have been murdered?
1026
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,535
A widespread forensic search
of a recycling plant
1027
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,335
has uncovered
the partial remains of a body.
1028
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,695
DNA testing has confirmed
that the body is male
1029
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,175
and likely to be over the age of 22.
1030
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:26,255
DNA taken from a foot
has revealed a potential match
1031
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,095
with the mother
of a missing man in Sweden -
1032
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:30,855
Mikael lvarsson.
1033
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,615
He was last seen 20 years ago.
1034
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,295
If this is a potential match,
that's our starter for ten.
1035
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,095
We'll have a name,
we'll have a person
1036
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,895
who we know has been living
in England at some point.
1037
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:44,535
Under what name, we're not sure.
1038
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,815
We've run the name
of the missing person in Sweden
1039
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,095
through our computer systems.
1040
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:50,415
He doesn't feature.
1041
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,175
But that's not to mean he wasn't
living here under an assumed name.
1042
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,775
Investigators continue
to widen their search
1043
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,175
for any useful new leads
in the case.
1044
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:06,655
We're also looking at a new process
1045
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:10,215
called forensic investigative
genetic genealogy.
1046
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,495
But what the FIGG
actually looks at
1047
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,535
is the direct-to-consumer
DNA databases,
1048
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,295
Ancestry.com, 23andMe.
1049
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:20,655
They're worldwide.
1050
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,335
People like me and you,
everyday members of the public,
1051
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,775
take a swab, and they send
their swabs off to be loaded in.
1052
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:28,335
That then looks worldwide
1053
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,375
to see which ancestry line
do they come from.
1054
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:34,015
Ancl it's just a wider database,
an international database,
1055
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:35,655
that we can get
more information from.
1056
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:46,535
The forensics team
continue their other inquiries,
1057
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,215
but the final DNA results
from Sweden
1058
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,055
could take weeks or even months.
1059
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:55,895
This is the first time
I've come across it.
1060
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,655
Of course, it is... You know, we
can't conclusively say at the moment
1061
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:02,095
whether our body parts
are this missing person.
1062
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,015
The Swedish police will be doing
further enquiries on our behalf.
1063
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,855
So potentially, their loved one
has been found over here
1064
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:09,535
and unfortunately is deceased.
1065
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,295
But we can't progress that further
without actually informing them
1066
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,735
and actually taking the samples
from the family
1067
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,495
to rule him in or out, either way.
1068
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,895
West Yorkshire Police
and forensic teams
1069
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,255
have spent a total of 12 months
1070
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:41,095
trying to identify the human remains
found at the recycling centre.
1071
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,095
And a family in Sweden
are waiting to see
1072
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,455
if their loved one has been found.
1073
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,415
It's been
quite a difficult case, really,
1074
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,335
because without an identification
1075
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,775
and given the circumstances
surrounding the discovery
1076
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,415
of this unidentified male,
it's been very difficult
1077
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,335
for the investigation
to even take off, really.
1078
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:05,255
The results have arrived.
1079
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,815
The immediate family
of Mikael lvarsson,
1080
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:13,455
even the boy that was unborn
in 2004, has been tested.
1081
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:18,735
And they have now found out that
the human remains found in Leeds
1082
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,575
has nothing to do
with Mikael lvarsson.
1083
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:29,095
So the family here in Sweden,
they will still have the questions.
1084
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:31,015
What happened to their loved one?
1085
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:38,255
The final news is a blow to both the
police team and to Mikael's family.
1086
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:44,575
The family was told by the police
and had a meeting with the police
1087
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:49,895
and from one person from
the National Board of Forensic,
1088
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,855
and there, they told
it wasn't Mikael.
1089
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,695
Ancl then the family,
they broke down.
1090
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,455
You can imagine
if you thought it was Mikael,
1091
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:06,055
and then you get a new message
that, no, it's not Mikael.
1092
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:11,095
While the DNA initially had
a high probability match
1093
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:12,895
with Mikael's mother,
1094
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:16,335
the differences in the DNA
on the male side
1095
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:20,575
ruled out the possibility
of the remains being Mikael.
1096
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,895
Mikael's sister, Linda, told me
that if you don't have a body,
1097
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,815
it's very hard to say
a person is dead.
1098
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:33,015
Ancl Mikael's mother, Lena, told me
1099
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,535
that they think
about Mikael all the time
1100
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:40,775
and hope that one clay,
he will return to his family.
1101
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:47,375
It must be an awful feeling,
not knowing what happened to him.
1102
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:53,015
The family must keep on living
with this uncertainty,
1103
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,095
what happened to Mikael lvarsson?
1104
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:58,055
With all the desperation,
with all the despair.
1105
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,815
At the moment,
it is professionally frustrating
1106
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,255
that we can't actually get
the answers that we strive to get.
1107
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:11,055
So I will now look into
wider options that are available.
1108
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:16,975
So going out into ancestry
and genealogy DNA opportunities
1109
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,335
which are not routinely used
1110
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,975
or been tried and tested
so much in the UK,
1111
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,335
but we never stop.
1112
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:28,335
The case will remain open.
It doesn't stop now.
1113
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,815
We will continue to strive
for answers,
1114
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,695
and for any future technology
that becomes available to us,
1115
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,735
we will look to explore it
for this case.
1116
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:39,775
We've had bodies recovered
1117
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:44,095
which we've very quickly identified
have been the result of a homicide.
1118
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:45,935
This is the first one that I've had
1119
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,295
where we've had it
in a recycling plant,
1120
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,375
an unusual area where you wouldn't
necessarily find a body,
1121
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:52,895
and had to start from scratch.
1122
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,255
A genuine mystery.
It's what we join policing for.
1123
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,095
It may end up once we find out
who this person is,
1124
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:02,415
it is a genuine whodunnit.
1125
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:03,655
Who's killed him?
1126
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,735
However, it's actually a who is it
to start with, and who is he?
92154
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