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The area of manned spaceflight
budget request for Apollo
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is being reduced
by $42.1 million
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to $916.5 million.
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This reduction will be achieved
by canceling the Apollo 15
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and 19 lunar missions,
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redesignating the
remaining Apollo flights
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as Apollo's 14 through 17.
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[inspirational music]
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[Reporter] Everything
is going smoothly here
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at the Kennedy Space Center
for the launch of Apollo 17,
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man's last trip to the moon
in the foreseeable future.
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[dramatic fanfare]
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[Eugene Cernan]
Three, two, one ignition.
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We're on our way, Houston.
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I believe that this
nation should commit itself
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to achieving the goal
before this decade is out
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of landing a man on the moon
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and returning him
safely to the Earth.
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No single space project
in this period
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will be more impressive
to mankind,
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or more important
for the long-range
exploration of space.
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None will be so difficult
or expensive to accomplish.
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[dramatic music]
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The average taxpayer
is entitled to ask,
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"What's in space for me?"
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[Reporter]
T minus 15 seconds,
guidance is internal.
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12, 11, 10, nine,
ignition sequence start,
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six, five, four, three,
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two, one, zero.
All engine run.
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Lift off, we have a lift off,
32 minutes past the hour,
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lift off on Apollo 11.
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[Neil Armstrong]
Roger, we got a roll program.
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[Reporter]
Tower cleared.
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[Bruce McCandless]
Roger, roll.
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What does spaceflight
do for people?
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It's a philosophical answer.
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It's exploration, it's the
human spirit of going out there.
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[Bill Nye]
The great thing we wanna
know is, "Where do we fit in?"
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There's two questions
that trouble us all
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at some point in our life.
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Where did we come from?
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And are we alone?
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Without the space program,
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our economy would be hurled
50 years back into the past.
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Think of it for a moment--
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GPS, weather satellites,
telecommunications,
the Internet.
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[Bill]
By the exploration
of the moon,
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or by landing on the moon
and walking around,
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that led to a space program,
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which led to Global
Positioning Systems,
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which led to so-called
space assets,
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which have affected everything.
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The reason to explore space
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is that it can boost
our economy... period.
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It boosts our economy
as it changes the culture.
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People think differently.
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Think about the future, think
about inventing things.
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Think about making
a better tomorrow,
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rather than just
surviving the day.
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[Bill]
You go over the hill,
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you don't know what
you're gonna find.
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And you're not gonna
go over the hill
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unless you're curious about it.
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It transforms the intellectual
outlook of a nation,
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when a nation embarks on
something bold and audacious,
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such is going into deep
space, as it did in the 1960s.
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[Announcer]
Today a new moon
is in the sky,
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a 23-inch metal sphere placed
in orbit by a Russian rocket.
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Here, an artist's conception
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of how the feat
was accomplished.
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A three-stage
rocket. Number one,
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the booster in the class of
an intercontinental missile.
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Its weight estimated at 50 tons.
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A smaller second stage took
over at 5,000 miles an hour
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and carried on to the
highest point reached,
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500 miles up,
the artificial moon is boosted
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to a speed counterbalancing
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the pull of gravity
and released.
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You are hearing the
actual signals transmitted
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by the Earth circling satellite,
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one of the great scientific
feats of the age.
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[Neil]
In 1957 Sputnik was launched.
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And if you ask me what
drove the creation of NASA,
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it was the launching of Sputnik.
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The public often
thinks of Sputnik as,
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"Oh, it's just
an innocent little
satellite that went beep."
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Let's part the curtains,
and you find out
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this was the shell
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of an intercontinental
ballistic missile
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that had been hollowed out
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and a radio transmitter
put in the head.
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That's what was flying
over our heads in America
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on October 4th, 1957.
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Spooked us to no end.
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No one said, "Oh, the frontier
of exploration is breeched."
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No, it was, "The Soviet Union
has the new high ground.
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"They are our sworn enemy.
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"We can't look bad
in front of them.
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"We've gotta do it too.
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We need an agency
to take care of this."
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A year later, NASA was founded.
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[Announcer]
This special report
brought to you by NASA,
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the National Aeronautics
and Space Administration.
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What we had was something
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that had come out
of a very can-do spirit,
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that came out of the spirit
of winning World War II.
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It came out
of the technology burst
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that was going on around
the world at that time.
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It came out
of the imaginations of people
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like Wernher Von Braun,
Willy Ley, and Walt Disney.
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In our modern world,
everywhere we look,
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we see the influence science
has upon our daily lives.
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Now here's a model,
my design
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for a four-stage
orbital rocket ship.
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It came out of the inspiration
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of people like Arthur C. Clarke,
and Robert Heinlein,
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and Isaac Asimov,
and Silverberg,
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and all the great science
fiction writers of the time,
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who were inspiring children
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and all kinds of people
in that realm.
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And then we had the spark
that ignited that passion
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into a fire that
was from Sputnik.
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[Michio]
People said,
"What happens
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"if there's
a hydrogen bomb
orbiting head?
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"If the Russians have
the high ground,
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then we could be
outmaneuvered in the next war."
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The United States too,
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promised to launch
an Earth satellite,
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but in our satellite program,
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we Americans got
badly bogged down.
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Why? What happened?
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We had the money,
the resources,
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and the scientific know-how.
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Unfortunately, a series
of wrong decisions
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led us to frustration
and failure.
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This order went out
to the Armed Services.
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Let me read it to you.
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"Recent news stories which have
described certain projects
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"as space flight projects
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"have resulted
in unfavorable reaction
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"at Department of Defense
and congressional levels.
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"In any speeches
or public releases
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"planned by you or your staff,
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"avoid the mention
or the discussion of space,
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space technology,
and space vehicles."
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And so, by the summer of 1957,
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"space" had become
a forbidden word in Washington.
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In totally realistic terms,
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Von Braun could've
had us there in 1950.
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We need to understand,
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we would have launched
a satellite in 1950.
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The reason we did not is
because we didn't wish to.
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[Michio]
Panic set in, and after
that people said, "Okay,
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let's regroup,
let's do something."
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It was your patriotic duty
to become a physicist,
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a chemist, a mathematician.
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It was for America
and for freedom
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that people said, "Yes, I wanna
to become a cold war hero
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for their freedom
and for liberty."
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The history of human reaction...
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to the threat of death
knows no bounds...
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and knowing no bounds includes
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birthing an entire space program
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for the purpose
of showing the world
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that we will not be bested
by evil godless Communists.
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Such was the mood
and the attitude in the 1950s.
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[Narrator]
Man had his first
great success in space
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when the Russians pushed
a man across the threshold.
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He was Yuri Gagarin,
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the astronaut
the Russians lionized
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as the first to orbit the Earth.
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It was the propaganda coup
of the year.
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[crowd cheering and applauding]
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Thank you.
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"But why," some say, "the moon?
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Why choose this as our goal?"
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And they may well ask,
"Why climb the highest mountain?
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"Why, 35 years ago,
fly the Atlantic?
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Why does Rice play Texas?"
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We choose to go to the moon.
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We choose
to go to the moon.
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We choose to go
to the moon in this decade
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and do the other things,
not because they are easy,
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but because they are hard,
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because that goal will serve
to organize and measure
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the best
of our energies
and skills,
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because that challenge is one
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that we're willing to accept,
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one we are unwilling
to postpone,
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and one we intend to win.
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[Gene Kranz]
At the time that President
Kennedy made his speech,
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we had never been to orbit.
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Just a little bit over a week
before the Kennedy speech
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to the US Congress,
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we had launched Alan Shepard.
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[Launch Control]
Lift off.
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[Alan Shepard]
Ahh, Roger, liftoff
and the clock is started.
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[Gene]
We'd never been to orbit,
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and we were challenged to beat
the Russians to the moon.
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So, to a great extent
that initial challenge
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was one that I believe
was geopolitical,
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but it also had
the economic benefit
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to basically generate
the enthusiasm
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and the passion
within the American public.
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-[engines roaring]
-[inspirational music]
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The spur to education--
very, very important.
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I think that's
almost as significant
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as our actual flights
themselves,
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because it gave
all the young people
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something to look forward to,
and excitement,
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something that
they could live up to.
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Every day, I meet people
now in their 50s,
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who said, "Look, when I was
a little kid, you know,
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you inspired me
to become an engineer,"
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or become a scientist,
to becoming a doctor,
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and that gives me a sort
of a sense of satisfaction
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that I was in a program
that helped other people
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form good careers.
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[engines roaring to life]
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[dramatic music]
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I think one of the greatest
moments of the last century
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in the space program was
the flight of Apollo 8.
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I was on that flight.
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At the time that we did it,
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I don't think we fully
understood the significance
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of the very first
flight to the moon,
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the whole 240,000 miles.
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We were the pathfinders,
we didn't land,
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but we checked the navigation,
checked the communication,
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circled the moon
and looked at the far side,
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the side that we never
see from the Earth.
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[ominous music]
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We brought back
with us a photograph
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of the Earth from the moon...
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we called "Earthrise,"
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which I think
in just one picture
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told us how insignificant
we all are here on Earth.
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The Earth is merely
a small planet...
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that just so happened to
be at the right distance
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and the right mass
to sustain life...
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going around
a rather normal star,
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and that star is
in the outer edge
of a galaxy
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called the Milky Way,
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just one of millions
of galaxies in our universe.
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And maybe,
just for a small
amount of time
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in December of 1968,
everyone kind of felt
a closeness
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that we had not felt before.
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For the first time
in history today,
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man got a long distance live
view of the planet he lives on,
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transmitted and described
by the first three human beings
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to travel to the moon.
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The Apollo 8 astronauts
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sent back those pictures
this afternoon,
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and we'll have more
along with the full story
later in this broadcast.
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I think what happened
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was Kennedy wanting
to demonstrate to the Soviets
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that we were the biggest,
baddest kids on the block,
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that our technology will kick
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your technology's ass any time.
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And it worked,
and it was glorious,
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but it wasn't sustainable
because it was a crisis project.
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[Neil]
If it was actually
about exploration
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and about the scientific
frontier being pushed outward,
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if it were actually about that,
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maybe we would have
had a scientist
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on the first mission
to the moon.
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But no, there was
no scientist on Apollo 11,
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nor on Apollo 12,
or Apollo 13,
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or Apollo 14,
or Apollo 15,
or Apollo 16.
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The first scientist
was on Apollo 17,
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and Apollo 17 was
the last mission to the moon.
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There was not a statement made
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that we're gonna go to the moon
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and establish
a human community.
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We're not gonna go to, you know,
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the moon and then on to Mars.
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We're not gonna go
do this and then that.
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It was simply,
"We're going to put
a human being on the moon."
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And we achieved it.
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Do you wish
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that the first Apollo Mission
hadn't reached the moon?
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Or that we hadn't
gone on to Mars
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and then to the nearest star?
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That's like saying you wish
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that you still operated
with scalpels,
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and sewed
your patients up
with catgut,
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like your great-great-great-
great-grandfather used to.
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Ever since the time of Sputnik
and President Kennedy,
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I think our dedication
to the space program
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has been high,
higher than most countries.
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And I feel like,
probably over the past decade,
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it's waned significantly.
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I feel like we should
be doing more in space
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'cause I think there's
a lot of learning to be done
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as far as vaccines
and a lot of things
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that can help
the American people,
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even though it's
not a sexy program
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like it used to be
with the moon landing.
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I think it's more important now
than it has been in decades.
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I know that it's not
really doing much anymore
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since the Space Shuttle
program was closed down,
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so I don't know
what they're up to.
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Be cool if they were
doing something soon.
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You know, when I see them
building robots, you know,
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to go on Mars, or I see
what the Rover, Curiosity,
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Opportunity, and Spirits
are doing, we basically just--
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it excites me to know
that we're doing that.
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To me, a culture that's not
doing that is stagnant,
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and a culture that is
doing that is progressive
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and moving forward
in a positive direction.
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Back in the '60s when
we first, you know,
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when the space program
was in full swing,
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I fully expected us
to have colonies
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on the moon by this time.
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Where are they?
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I'm disappointed
to see that we're--
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that we're not putting more
effort into something like that.
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I think it's just
absolutely essential
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that we maintain this
program and advance it.
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All those who think
it's a problem
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that we haven't been
outside of low Earth orbit
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for four decades
can only say so
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because they think
that going to the moon
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was the first step of
this great adventure
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where we explore space,
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and somehow we've failed
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on the expectations
we had for ourselves.
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But once you realize we went
because we were at war...
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and then they're not
going to the moon,
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they're not going to Mars,
and the Cold War's over...
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what's your motivation?
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[Announcer]
The moon, a lonely world
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in the absence of man.
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But here we have left our mark,
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a signature attesting a
legacy to future generations.
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We stood on the shoulders of
giants and touched the moon.
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[John Logsdon]
The decision what
to do after Apollo
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was driven by desire
to limit NASA spending...
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to only a fraction
of what it had been
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at the height of
the Apollo program.
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And in order to reach
that lower budget,
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you couldn't continue
to use Saturn V's.
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They were too
expensive per launch,
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so the program devolved back
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into a low Earth orbit program.
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Senator Edward
Kennedy urged today
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that spending
on the space program
be cut back
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after the goals set
for exploring the moon
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have been achieved.
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Senator Kennedy said
a substantial portion
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of the space budget
should be diverted
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to what he called "pressing
problems here at home."
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Going into outer space
is very expensive.
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It costs $10,000 to put
a pound of anything
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just into near-earth orbit.
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That your weight in gold.
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Now, to put you on the moon
cost about $100,000 a pound,
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and to put you on Mars
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would cost over a
million dollars a pound.
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That is your weight in diamonds.
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Back in a 1960s, the great
superpowers didn't care,
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spending so much money
on the Space Race,
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because it was a matter
of national pride
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and national security.
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But now that the
Cold War is over,
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the great powers are
not willing to spend
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so much of their
National Treasure,
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because national pride
and national security
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are no longer at stake.
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Imagine if you and I
climbed in a plane right now
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and wanted to fly to
New York City and back.
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And along the way,
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all of its pieces are
gonna be thrown away,
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so that when you
arrive in New York,
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if you make it at all,
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you'll arrive in a
little capsule and land.
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Now, the only way
you get to come back
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is for them to rebuild
the entire rocket
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upon which that
original capsule stood,
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climb in it and fly
back, and by the way,
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you're gonna throw all
the pieces away again.
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What that pretty
well assures you
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is that very, very few people
are gonna make that trip.
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[upbeat rock music]
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[Mission Control]
Stage two, clear.
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[Narrator]
If all goes according
to schedule,
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scenes like this,
a reusable Space Shuttle
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making its final
approach to land,
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will be a common sight
beginning next fall.
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The Space Shuttle was
promised to us in the '70s
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as a vehicle that would
fly over 50 times a year.
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The Shuttle was
gonna bring the cost
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of going into orbit
down to $100 a pound.
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[Announcer]
It looks like a jet plane,
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will lift off like a rocket,
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and will return like a glider,
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commuting to space every
two weeks is the plan.
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If you measure
it by that metric,
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the program was a complete
and utter failure.
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-[dramatic music]
-[engines roaring to life]
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[Story]
The basic drivers were low
cost, reliable, reusable.
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Let's call it a space bus.
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That was the motivation
in 1969-- a bus,
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up and down under
all conditions.
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And the Shuttle program
did not turn out
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the way it was supposed to.
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00:21:50,657 --> 00:21:52,267
It was supposed to be
$10 million a flight,
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and ended up $1.2
billion a flight,
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00:21:55,183 --> 00:21:58,360
so you know it missed
by 1200 times over.
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The Shuttle is kind of
all things to all people.
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Originally, from
NASA's point of view,
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it was going to be
a supply vehicle
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to go to a large space station.
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And NASA in 1969 proposed
building the Space Station
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and having it supplied
by the Shuttle.
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The Nixon Administration decided
not to approve a station,
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and so the rationale
for a shuttle had to
become reinvented,
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and it became a launch
vehicle for everything.
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[Reporter]
That's the theory
of Dr. John Logsdon,
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a George Washington University
Political Science professor,
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who has written extensively
on the space program
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for the last dozen years.
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NASA so get used to the
luxury of the extra money,
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the public attention,
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00:22:42,535 --> 00:22:45,407
the importance to
the general public
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00:22:45,451 --> 00:22:46,713
that came with Apollo,
431
00:22:46,756 --> 00:22:48,367
and the excitement
and the challenge,
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00:22:48,410 --> 00:22:49,759
and wanted to do it again.
433
00:22:49,803 --> 00:22:51,587
What do we need a
Space Shuttle for?
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Or a Space Station?
435
00:22:53,284 --> 00:22:56,026
Well, some people said that
we need a Space Station
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to be the terminus
for the Space Shuttle.
437
00:22:59,029 --> 00:23:01,380
Well, then why do we
need a Space Shuttle?
438
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To be the way to reach
the Space Station.
439
00:23:04,252 --> 00:23:07,037
Now, I think that's a
bit circular, isn't it?
440
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[Logsdon]
You know, at first, you look
441
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at the space program,
"Oh, that's so cool.
442
00:23:10,084 --> 00:23:11,520
The Space Shuttle,
that's amazing."
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00:23:11,564 --> 00:23:13,043
Then you know, "This is great,"
444
00:23:13,087 --> 00:23:16,046
and then you really look
at it and you realize,
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"Hold it, they're
not going anywhere.
446
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They're not doing anything."
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00:23:21,182 --> 00:23:22,705
[Reporter]
John Logsdon
says the Shuttle
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could turn out to be
a classic mistake.
449
00:23:24,664 --> 00:23:26,274
It's a pretty good space truck
450
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for taking things up and down,
451
00:23:27,580 --> 00:23:30,278
but for doing anything
once you're in orbit,
452
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it's a very inflexible
and underpowered vehicle.
453
00:23:33,455 --> 00:23:35,196
The Shuttle is the most
complex space vehicle
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man has ever built.
455
00:23:36,676 --> 00:23:39,243
It is a result of nine
years of compromise,
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negotiation,
and cost overruns.
457
00:23:41,768 --> 00:23:44,727
Soon, we'll begin to find
out if it was all worth it.
458
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John Danzing, NBC News,
at Kennedy Space Center.
459
00:23:47,643 --> 00:23:49,993
So, the shuttle was
designed to be reusable,
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and therefore much
less expensive,
461
00:23:52,692 --> 00:23:56,652
and in the end there was no
way to maintain the flight rate
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that was projected for it.
463
00:23:58,654 --> 00:24:02,441
It just didn't work out that
way because it was too complex,
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too expensive, and then
we had the accidents.
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[somber music]
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It is the worst
disaster in the history
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of the American Space Program,
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00:24:16,542 --> 00:24:18,674
and President Reagan has
declared a week of mourning
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for the seven astronauts,
five men and two women
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who lost their lives on their
way into space this morning.
471
00:24:25,725 --> 00:24:29,642
Yeah, the Challenger
really changed everything.
472
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It was one of the-- it was
a priority in the nation
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to get every payload
onto the Shuttle,
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to get it's usage up,
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to make sure it's utilization
was as high as it could be.
476
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There was a lot of
attention focused on it.
477
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It was a terrible
tragedy replayed over
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and over again on television.
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And, there had sort
of been a feeling
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in the space community
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that if there was a tragic
accident with a Shuttle,
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it would never fly again.
483
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There was 32 months,
I think it was,
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before another
Space Shuttle flew,
485
00:24:57,539 --> 00:25:00,063
but there were changes,
considerable changes
486
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to the nature of the Space
Shuttle program after that.
487
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For example, originally the
Shuttle was gonna be launching
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just about every satellite
489
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that the United States
wanted to put up.
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Instead they said that, "No,
you are only gonna use this
491
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"for things you really need
to have people involved in.
492
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"If you can
just launch it
on a rocket,
493
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"launch it on a rocket.
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You don't need to launch
it on the Space Shuttle."
495
00:25:20,301 --> 00:25:22,216
[Rick]
To take these highly skilled
496
00:25:22,259 --> 00:25:24,784
amazing people
called astronauts,
497
00:25:24,827 --> 00:25:28,091
and put them in charge
of driving this truck
498
00:25:28,135 --> 00:25:31,051
around in circles in orbit
499
00:25:31,094 --> 00:25:34,924
instead of doing something
really exciting and important--
500
00:25:34,968 --> 00:25:37,144
you know, that's where
the problems came from,
501
00:25:37,187 --> 00:25:39,886
and that came from
a lack of leadership
502
00:25:39,929 --> 00:25:41,931
down the street from NASA,
503
00:25:41,975 --> 00:25:44,064
you know, in Congress
and in the White House.
504
00:25:48,634 --> 00:25:50,113
The Shuttle did
mature us, though.
505
00:25:50,157 --> 00:25:53,726
It was so difficult-- new
scientists, new technology,
506
00:25:53,769 --> 00:25:56,163
so difficult to operate.
It made us good.
507
00:25:56,206 --> 00:25:58,513
We had to be good to
operate that system,
508
00:25:58,557 --> 00:26:00,167
but at the end of
the Shuttle program,
509
00:26:00,210 --> 00:26:02,909
we are a massively good
spacefaring nation.
510
00:26:02,952 --> 00:26:06,565
We, the US now,
we're fantastic now,
we are good now.
511
00:26:06,608 --> 00:26:09,437
We are excellent in the
spacefaring business.
512
00:26:11,004 --> 00:26:14,529
The difficulty of the
Shuttle made us good,
513
00:26:14,573 --> 00:26:16,923
but after that,
the Space Station,
514
00:26:16,966 --> 00:26:19,752
was a massive strategic error.
515
00:26:20,796 --> 00:26:23,582
[ethereal music]
516
00:26:31,198 --> 00:26:33,374
[Announcer]
Skylab was the first
test of our ability
517
00:26:33,417 --> 00:26:34,897
to endure weightlessness,
518
00:26:34,941 --> 00:26:37,378
and astronauts found that
they could effectively work,
519
00:26:37,421 --> 00:26:41,948
exercise, eat, and sleep
in their temporary home.
520
00:26:41,991 --> 00:26:43,906
More recently, the Space
Shuttle has allowed us
521
00:26:43,950 --> 00:26:47,649
to fly into orbit, conduct
our business, and return.
522
00:26:47,693 --> 00:26:49,346
In addition to
providing a laboratory
523
00:26:49,390 --> 00:26:51,958
for carrying out
experiments in microgravity,
524
00:26:52,001 --> 00:26:53,612
the Shuttle has
also benefited us
525
00:26:53,655 --> 00:26:55,483
commercially and scientifically
526
00:26:55,526 --> 00:26:58,529
through the deployment
and capture of satellites.
527
00:27:00,706 --> 00:27:03,578
But, the Shuttle was designed
with a larger goal in mind,
528
00:27:03,622 --> 00:27:05,580
to transport astronauts
and materials
529
00:27:05,624 --> 00:27:09,802
to a proposed base, a
permanent manned Space Station.
530
00:27:11,891 --> 00:27:16,983
Space Station was NASA's
primary objective after Apollo.
531
00:27:17,026 --> 00:27:19,289
What NASA hoped
to get approved
532
00:27:19,333 --> 00:27:22,771
was a 12-person Space
Station launched by Saturn V,
533
00:27:22,815 --> 00:27:28,211
and supplied by the Shuttle
in the '69-'70 period.
534
00:27:28,255 --> 00:27:31,780
The White House did not
approve that program,
535
00:27:31,824 --> 00:27:34,696
and instead we went ahead
with the Space Shuttle,
536
00:27:34,740 --> 00:27:36,219
but the shuttle was designed
537
00:27:36,263 --> 00:27:38,787
to launch modules of
the Space Station.
538
00:27:38,831 --> 00:27:42,095
It was clear in 1971 or '72
539
00:27:42,138 --> 00:27:44,445
that, once the shuttle
started flying,
540
00:27:44,488 --> 00:27:46,534
NASA would go back
and ask approval
541
00:27:46,577 --> 00:27:48,754
-to develop the Space Station.
-[Mission Control]
We have lift off.
542
00:27:48,797 --> 00:27:51,974
[Logsdon]
And indeed they did
that in 1983,
543
00:27:52,018 --> 00:27:53,933
and finally President Reagan
544
00:27:53,976 --> 00:27:55,891
announced approval
of the Space Station
545
00:27:55,935 --> 00:27:59,721
in the State of the Union
Address in January of '84.
546
00:27:59,765 --> 00:28:01,941
Tonight I am directing NASA
547
00:28:01,984 --> 00:28:03,856
to develop a permanently
manned Space Station
548
00:28:03,899 --> 00:28:06,902
and to do it within a decade.
549
00:28:06,946 --> 00:28:08,861
[Reporter]
Despite problems
with recent missions,
550
00:28:08,904 --> 00:28:10,340
NASA is still pushing hard
551
00:28:10,384 --> 00:28:12,734
for a permanent Space
Station someday.
552
00:28:12,778 --> 00:28:14,388
[Announcer]
Many scientists
and politicians
553
00:28:14,431 --> 00:28:15,737
say it is not clear what purpose
554
00:28:15,781 --> 00:28:17,870
the Space Station
is supposed to serve.
555
00:28:17,913 --> 00:28:19,306
We're doing it backwards.
556
00:28:19,349 --> 00:28:20,916
We're saying, "We're
gonna have a station.
557
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,005
And by the way, what can you
do if you have a station?"
558
00:28:23,049 --> 00:28:25,181
[Miochi]
Yes, it cost $100 billion.
559
00:28:25,225 --> 00:28:27,836
Yes, it's a cooperative
effort of many nations,
560
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,796
but a lot of the Space
Station I think was wasteful,
561
00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:33,755
because the science done
on the Space Station
562
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:35,322
was actually minimal.
563
00:28:35,365 --> 00:28:39,021
[Story]
Skylab, '72 was a
massively successful station.
564
00:28:39,065 --> 00:28:41,067
It already had 200
experiments built in.
565
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:42,895
All those things matured us,
566
00:28:42,938 --> 00:28:47,769
in terms of on-orbit space ops
and long-term space flight.
567
00:28:47,813 --> 00:28:49,684
We already did that.
568
00:28:49,728 --> 00:28:52,252
See, I'm not criticizing
Space Station.
569
00:28:52,295 --> 00:28:54,515
What I'm saying is,
what does Space Station
570
00:28:54,558 --> 00:28:56,691
do for the man on the street?
571
00:28:56,735 --> 00:28:58,301
They don't know.
572
00:28:59,346 --> 00:29:01,261
Go out and ask them.
573
00:29:01,304 --> 00:29:03,002
I honestly don't know,
574
00:29:03,045 --> 00:29:05,961
and they make no effort
to tell normal people,
575
00:29:06,005 --> 00:29:08,050
so I mean I don't actually--
576
00:29:08,094 --> 00:29:09,835
I don't know what's
going on at all.
577
00:29:09,878 --> 00:29:11,488
Yeah, I really don't
know what they're doing.
578
00:29:11,532 --> 00:29:13,012
They don't really say anything.
579
00:29:13,055 --> 00:29:15,101
All you hear is they bring
supplies back and forth,
580
00:29:15,144 --> 00:29:18,495
so I mean what is
the object of it?
581
00:29:18,539 --> 00:29:21,542
I have no idea what they'd
be doing up there, honestly.
582
00:29:21,585 --> 00:29:23,762
I don't pay that much attention
to this kind of stuff.
583
00:29:23,805 --> 00:29:25,328
[Reporter] Okay.
584
00:29:25,372 --> 00:29:27,330
-Unfortunately, we don't know.
-[Woman] Not now. Not now.
585
00:29:27,374 --> 00:29:28,941
-Not now, nope.
-Yeah.
586
00:29:28,984 --> 00:29:32,379
If you have a program
which costs $150 billion,
587
00:29:32,422 --> 00:29:34,033
and you ask the
person on the street
588
00:29:34,076 --> 00:29:37,079
what are you getting for
this and they don't know,
589
00:29:37,123 --> 00:29:39,516
you've missed the vision, sir.
590
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,823
[Marcia]
We actually didn't finish
building the Space Station
591
00:29:41,867 --> 00:29:45,566
until 2010. It was supposed
to be done in 1994.
592
00:29:45,609 --> 00:29:47,873
Well, it did in fact
basically suck the life
593
00:29:47,916 --> 00:29:50,397
out of the human spaceflight
program for 25 years,
594
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,139
and so it was very
hard to get approval
595
00:29:53,182 --> 00:29:57,839
for new things going forward,
not that people didn't try.
596
00:29:57,883 --> 00:29:59,798
We must commit ourselves anew
597
00:29:59,841 --> 00:30:03,149
to a sustained program
of manned exploration
598
00:30:03,192 --> 00:30:05,586
of the solar system, and yes,
599
00:30:05,629 --> 00:30:09,024
the permanent
settlement of space.
600
00:30:09,068 --> 00:30:12,680
As George HW Bush came
into the White House,
601
00:30:12,723 --> 00:30:15,204
he indicated he
wanted to do something
602
00:30:15,248 --> 00:30:17,728
to revitalize the space program.
603
00:30:17,772 --> 00:30:22,168
And his advisers prepared
for him an announcement
604
00:30:22,211 --> 00:30:25,824
called the Space
Exploration Initiative.
605
00:30:25,867 --> 00:30:28,304
[Robert Zubrin]
Back to the moon, on to
Mars, this time to stay.
606
00:30:28,348 --> 00:30:30,002
Great stuff, but NASA came back
607
00:30:30,045 --> 00:30:32,352
with a program to
do it in 30 years
608
00:30:32,395 --> 00:30:34,876
that involved building
floating spaceports
609
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,879
and giant interplanetary
spaceships,
610
00:30:37,923 --> 00:30:40,882
and all kinds of things that
were never gonna happen.
611
00:30:40,926 --> 00:30:42,536
And of course, the
architecture meant
612
00:30:42,579 --> 00:30:43,972
you have to have a launch system
613
00:30:44,016 --> 00:30:45,669
and you have to have
all the other pieces
614
00:30:45,713 --> 00:30:48,716
of what it would take
to do an entire mission
615
00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:52,372
to the surface of the
moon and go on to Mars.
616
00:30:52,415 --> 00:30:54,940
Well, you total up all
those assets necessary
617
00:30:54,983 --> 00:30:59,205
over a 20-year period, and
the total was $500 billion.
618
00:31:00,815 --> 00:31:04,210
Well, that figure got
leaked to the Hill,
619
00:31:04,253 --> 00:31:05,994
and the way the Hill
looks at money is
620
00:31:06,038 --> 00:31:10,477
$500 billion dollars with a
B is in like today's money.
621
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,174
And so, it was dead on arrival.
622
00:31:12,218 --> 00:31:14,829
They never even
bothered to look at it.
623
00:31:14,873 --> 00:31:16,570
Let me introduce to you
624
00:31:16,613 --> 00:31:18,615
our speaker for this afternoon,
625
00:31:18,659 --> 00:31:22,968
Robert Zubrin from
Martin Marietta... Astro.
626
00:31:23,011 --> 00:31:25,927
He's a senior engineer there
627
00:31:25,971 --> 00:31:30,497
on the Moon and Mars
Initiative missions work
628
00:31:30,540 --> 00:31:32,455
that Martin Marietta is doing.
629
00:31:32,499 --> 00:31:34,196
Robert, come talk to us.
630
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:35,806
[applauding]
631
00:31:35,850 --> 00:31:39,941
[Robert]
Mars Direct is a plan
for sending humans to Mars
632
00:31:39,985 --> 00:31:41,900
with present day technology.
633
00:31:41,943 --> 00:31:43,640
It's a plan that
could be implemented
634
00:31:43,684 --> 00:31:45,904
within eight years
of program start.
635
00:31:45,947 --> 00:31:47,514
This was developed by myself
636
00:31:47,557 --> 00:31:49,777
and another engineer
named David Baker
637
00:31:49,820 --> 00:31:51,257
while we were working
638
00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:54,564
at the Martin Marietta
Astronautics Company circa 1990.
639
00:31:56,088 --> 00:31:58,003
What Baker and I did
was design a plan
640
00:31:58,046 --> 00:32:00,527
that would allow us to
do a human Mars Mission
641
00:32:00,570 --> 00:32:03,965
in just two launches of a
Saturn V heavy-lift booster,
642
00:32:04,009 --> 00:32:06,141
okay, like the one we
used during Apollo.
643
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:10,058
And before you know it,
you've created the beginning
644
00:32:10,102 --> 00:32:12,147
of the first human
settlement on a new world.
645
00:32:12,191 --> 00:32:15,020
There's nothing in this that
is beyond our technology.
646
00:32:19,285 --> 00:32:22,723
Around that 1993, Mike
Griffin was appointed
647
00:32:22,766 --> 00:32:25,247
Associate Administrator
for Exploration,
648
00:32:25,291 --> 00:32:27,162
and he liked Mars Direct.
649
00:32:27,206 --> 00:32:29,164
He had us go back to
Johnson Space Center
650
00:32:29,208 --> 00:32:31,427
and talk to them
again with this time
651
00:32:31,471 --> 00:32:32,776
the people at
headquarters telling you
652
00:32:32,820 --> 00:32:34,126
that they had to listen,
653
00:32:34,169 --> 00:32:35,431
and they listened,
654
00:32:35,475 --> 00:32:36,998
and they came up with a
variant of Mars Direct
655
00:32:37,042 --> 00:32:38,608
as their new Mars Mission plan.
656
00:32:38,652 --> 00:32:40,349
And according to their analysis,
657
00:32:40,393 --> 00:32:43,091
it cut the cost of a human
Mars exploration program
658
00:32:43,135 --> 00:32:46,138
by a factor of eight. Okay?
659
00:32:46,181 --> 00:32:48,662
Unfortunately by then,
Clinton was in office,
660
00:32:48,705 --> 00:32:51,230
and he wasn't interested, so
he told them to just shut up.
661
00:32:53,188 --> 00:32:56,278
You know, but the problem is,
662
00:32:56,322 --> 00:32:58,977
is that we've never had a
situation where both NASA
663
00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:01,457
and the administration were
on board at the same time,
664
00:33:01,501 --> 00:33:03,155
except during Apollo.
665
00:33:06,375 --> 00:33:07,855
[Michelle] My name is
Michelle Stellhorn.
666
00:33:07,898 --> 00:33:10,423
I am a teacher in the
Gifted Education program
667
00:33:10,466 --> 00:33:12,338
of the Rockwood School District,
668
00:33:12,381 --> 00:33:15,515
and I teach a unit
called Mission to Mars.
669
00:33:15,558 --> 00:33:17,865
And we cover
the Congressional
space debate
670
00:33:17,908 --> 00:33:21,695
and the importance and
future of space exploration.
671
00:33:21,738 --> 00:33:24,176
[Interviewer] Do you
wanna be an astronaut?
672
00:33:24,219 --> 00:33:27,657
No, because I like Earth,
and I want to stay on it,
673
00:33:27,701 --> 00:33:32,619
but I think that space
exploration is really cool.
674
00:33:32,662 --> 00:33:35,056
It's too expensive.
675
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:39,626
We have national debt and
we have the job deficit.
676
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:41,584
[Interviewer] Do you think
that we should be spending
677
00:33:41,628 --> 00:33:44,326
more money and effort
in space exploration?
678
00:33:46,198 --> 00:33:48,939
Well, I think--
679
00:33:48,983 --> 00:33:50,245
I personally think we should,
680
00:33:50,289 --> 00:33:52,987
but I think that since
there's so many people
681
00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:54,597
around the world
who are struggling
682
00:33:54,641 --> 00:33:56,077
to just put food on the table,
683
00:33:56,121 --> 00:33:58,297
I don't see how we can.
684
00:33:58,340 --> 00:34:01,604
I mean, we could, but there's
so many other problems
685
00:34:01,648 --> 00:34:05,173
that are major focuses
that the government
should be studying,
686
00:34:05,217 --> 00:34:06,522
that should be working on.
687
00:34:06,566 --> 00:34:10,309
We need to get our
national debt paid off
688
00:34:10,351 --> 00:34:13,659
before we can go and
play around in space.
689
00:34:13,703 --> 00:34:17,272
[Interviewer]
If given the opportunity,
if somebody said
690
00:34:17,315 --> 00:34:20,623
do you wanna go to
space, would you go?
691
00:34:22,147 --> 00:34:26,063
Me, I think that depends
how much they pay me.
692
00:34:27,978 --> 00:34:30,503
Don't wanna be an astronaut,
what are they gonna fly?
693
00:34:30,545 --> 00:34:32,679
There's nothing to fly.
694
00:34:32,722 --> 00:34:35,072
There is no Mars program.
695
00:34:35,116 --> 00:34:37,858
There is no astronaut program.
696
00:34:37,900 --> 00:34:39,686
There's casual talk about it.
697
00:34:39,728 --> 00:34:41,601
I know what a program is.
698
00:34:41,643 --> 00:34:44,125
I know when a man says,
"You're going to the moon,
699
00:34:44,168 --> 00:34:46,127
you're coming home
eight years from now,"
700
00:34:46,170 --> 00:34:48,042
I know what that means.
701
00:34:50,349 --> 00:34:52,438
[Rob Navias] The Space
Shuttle pulls into port
702
00:34:52,481 --> 00:34:56,224
for the last time,
its voyage at and end.
703
00:35:01,490 --> 00:35:03,884
[Rick] You know, there's a lot
of people that think that
704
00:35:03,927 --> 00:35:05,451
the end of the Shuttle program
705
00:35:05,494 --> 00:35:10,151
was the end of America
going out into space.
706
00:35:11,457 --> 00:35:14,503
It's absurd, it's ridiculous.
707
00:35:14,547 --> 00:35:18,464
Flying a Shuttle
in circles around
the Earth is not exploring.
708
00:35:18,507 --> 00:35:22,772
It's not pushing forward
the human frontier.
709
00:35:22,816 --> 00:35:25,166
You're simply making work.
710
00:35:25,210 --> 00:35:28,343
You're simply funneling
taxpayer money
711
00:35:28,387 --> 00:35:30,084
into certain people's pockets
712
00:35:30,128 --> 00:35:32,391
who are working in
different areas,
713
00:35:32,434 --> 00:35:35,437
politicians,
aerospace companies,
714
00:35:35,481 --> 00:35:37,483
people who runs space centers.
715
00:35:37,526 --> 00:35:41,922
That's not what
this should be about,
716
00:35:41,965 --> 00:35:46,274
but that's what it's become
because there's no leadership...
717
00:35:47,319 --> 00:35:49,103
because there's no vision.
718
00:35:49,147 --> 00:35:52,324
[ominous music]
719
00:35:52,367 --> 00:35:55,501
[garbled speaking on radio]
720
00:35:57,242 --> 00:35:58,591
[Charlie Hobaugh]
And Columbia, Houston,
721
00:35:58,634 --> 00:35:59,940
we see you tire
pressure messages,
722
00:35:59,983 --> 00:36:02,769
and we did not copy your last.
723
00:36:02,812 --> 00:36:05,424
[radio static]
724
00:36:12,474 --> 00:36:14,868
Columbia, Houston, comm check.
725
00:36:17,262 --> 00:36:20,090
Columbia, Houston,
UHF comm check.
726
00:36:21,701 --> 00:36:24,486
Columbia, Houston,
UHF comm check.
727
00:36:25,966 --> 00:36:30,666
[James] February 1st, 2003,
Columbia reenters tragically
728
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:33,452
and breaks up over Texas.
729
00:36:33,495 --> 00:36:36,368
The notion that we could
continue flying the Shuttle...
730
00:36:38,283 --> 00:36:40,676
for a long time went away.
731
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:43,418
[somber music]
732
00:36:50,643 --> 00:36:54,037
[Marcia] The commission that
investigated that accident said,
733
00:36:54,081 --> 00:36:56,866
"If you're going to be
risking human lives,
734
00:36:56,910 --> 00:36:59,869
"you really need to
explain what it is
735
00:36:59,913 --> 00:37:02,568
that you're trying to accomplish
in human spaceflight."
736
00:37:02,611 --> 00:37:06,876
Consistent with safety
concerns and the recommendations
737
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,618
of the Columbia Accident
Investigation Board...
738
00:37:11,316 --> 00:37:14,101
the Shuttle's chief purpose
of the next several years
739
00:37:14,144 --> 00:37:15,972
will be to help finish assembly
740
00:37:16,016 --> 00:37:17,887
of the International
Space Station.
741
00:37:19,846 --> 00:37:23,328
In 2010, the Space Shuttle,
742
00:37:23,371 --> 00:37:28,724
after nearly 30 years of duty,
will be retired from service.
743
00:37:28,768 --> 00:37:30,987
[Marcia] The first Shuttle
tragedy made everybody stop
744
00:37:31,031 --> 00:37:34,164
and think exactly what it was
we were using the Shuttle for,
745
00:37:34,208 --> 00:37:36,906
and did you really need
to have humans aboard
746
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:39,518
a spacecraft in order
to launch satellites,
747
00:37:39,561 --> 00:37:42,347
and the second
tragedy, Columbia,
748
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:44,174
really brought it down
to a real focus on,
749
00:37:44,218 --> 00:37:47,569
"Well, why are you doing
human spaceflight at all?"
750
00:37:47,613 --> 00:37:49,310
Using the crew
exploration vehicle,
751
00:37:49,354 --> 00:37:52,400
we will undertake extended
human missions to the moon
752
00:37:52,444 --> 00:37:54,576
as early as 2015,
753
00:37:54,620 --> 00:37:58,188
with the goal of living
and working there
754
00:37:58,232 --> 00:38:01,583
for increasingly
extended periods of time.
755
00:38:02,628 --> 00:38:05,544
[Rick]
See, I was--
I was there,
756
00:38:05,587 --> 00:38:08,895
I was literally in the room
when President Bush announced
757
00:38:08,938 --> 00:38:11,463
we were gonna go back to
the moon and on to Mars.
758
00:38:11,506 --> 00:38:12,855
And I'm a Texan,
I was close enough
759
00:38:12,899 --> 00:38:14,379
to where I could look at him.
760
00:38:14,422 --> 00:38:17,947
We're fairly good at
spotting BS in each other,
761
00:38:17,991 --> 00:38:20,123
and I think he really meant it.
762
00:38:20,167 --> 00:38:23,039
[James]
President Bush
to his credit said,
763
00:38:23,083 --> 00:38:25,128
you know we're not gonna
just do this anymore,
764
00:38:25,172 --> 00:38:27,000
we're gonna do
something different,
765
00:38:27,043 --> 00:38:30,438
and we should go back
and we should explore.
766
00:38:30,482 --> 00:38:32,222
[Jeff] A powerful
argument was made
767
00:38:32,266 --> 00:38:34,355
that what needed to happen
768
00:38:34,399 --> 00:38:37,445
was we needed to start
making economic use
769
00:38:37,489 --> 00:38:40,361
of all of the things
that we had found
770
00:38:40,405 --> 00:38:43,669
by all this taxpayer-funded
space exploration.
771
00:38:43,712 --> 00:38:46,367
If we want to start
going back to the moon,
772
00:38:46,411 --> 00:38:49,805
but this time for
economically useful purposes,
773
00:38:49,849 --> 00:38:52,155
how would we do that?
774
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:55,289
And they came up with some
really interesting ideas,
775
00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:57,247
all of which were affordable,
776
00:38:57,291 --> 00:38:59,032
all of which were executable,
777
00:38:59,075 --> 00:39:00,947
all of which were
quite reasonable
778
00:39:00,990 --> 00:39:03,645
paths that we could
have gone forward,
779
00:39:03,689 --> 00:39:06,387
none of which
looked like Apollo.
780
00:39:06,431 --> 00:39:09,521
And then he hired a
new NASA administrator,
781
00:39:09,564 --> 00:39:12,132
who said he was
absolutely dedicated
782
00:39:12,175 --> 00:39:15,440
to carrying out the
president's vision,
783
00:39:15,483 --> 00:39:17,398
and that was
Dr. Michael Griffin.
784
00:39:18,704 --> 00:39:20,575
And Griffin came in and said,
785
00:39:20,619 --> 00:39:23,143
"I know how I'm
going to do this."
786
00:39:23,186 --> 00:39:24,449
And he had a plan.
787
00:39:24,492 --> 00:39:28,191
He had a way of getting
America back to the moon
788
00:39:28,235 --> 00:39:29,976
and then on to Mars.
789
00:39:30,019 --> 00:39:31,543
It is very Apollo-like.
790
00:39:31,586 --> 00:39:33,588
It may have a different
shaped heat shield.
791
00:39:33,632 --> 00:39:35,938
It may have a different
surface contact system,
792
00:39:35,982 --> 00:39:39,377
but the outer mold line is very
Apollo-like, except larger.
793
00:39:39,420 --> 00:39:41,248
Think of it as
Apollo on steroids.
794
00:39:42,292 --> 00:39:44,643
Everything was tanked.
795
00:39:44,686 --> 00:39:46,732
All of the ideas were
dropped and ditched,
796
00:39:46,775 --> 00:39:51,432
because Mike Griffin had his
own plan for "das programm."
797
00:39:51,476 --> 00:39:55,349
[ethereal music]
798
00:39:55,393 --> 00:39:58,308
[Narrator] NASA's new program
for human space exploration
799
00:39:58,352 --> 00:40:00,702
is called Constellation.
800
00:40:00,746 --> 00:40:03,183
For the first time
in a generation
801
00:40:03,226 --> 00:40:06,099
we will be traveling
beyond low Earth orbit,
802
00:40:06,142 --> 00:40:07,666
returning to the moon
803
00:40:07,709 --> 00:40:10,843
and expanding human
presence to Mars.
804
00:40:12,671 --> 00:40:15,804
Exploration must
be taken in steps.
805
00:40:15,848 --> 00:40:18,416
Because we learn
from every journey,
806
00:40:18,459 --> 00:40:21,854
there is a link between
every place we go.
807
00:40:21,897 --> 00:40:24,683
[dramatic music]
808
00:40:33,909 --> 00:40:37,173
Very quickly the
Bush Administration
809
00:40:37,217 --> 00:40:40,438
started to cut back
on some of NASA's...
810
00:40:41,526 --> 00:40:43,789
hoped for budget increases.
811
00:40:43,832 --> 00:40:45,965
That brought you to the
Obama Administration
812
00:40:46,008 --> 00:40:47,575
in which they said--
813
00:40:47,619 --> 00:40:49,795
I understand that some
believe that we should attempt
814
00:40:49,838 --> 00:40:52,493
a return to the surface
of the moon first...
815
00:40:53,625 --> 00:40:55,975
as previously planned.
816
00:40:56,018 --> 00:40:59,718
But I just have to say,
pretty bluntly here...
817
00:41:01,197 --> 00:41:02,851
we've been there before.
818
00:41:02,895 --> 00:41:05,201
Will American astronauts
return to the moon
819
00:41:05,245 --> 00:41:06,942
in the foreseeable future?
820
00:41:06,986 --> 00:41:08,204
NBC News has learned
821
00:41:08,248 --> 00:41:09,902
that plans to travel
there and beyond
822
00:41:09,945 --> 00:41:11,338
may in fact be scrubbed.
823
00:41:11,381 --> 00:41:14,515
The White House was
willing to support the vision
824
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:16,517
of returning to
the moon by 2020
825
00:41:16,561 --> 00:41:19,389
and going on to Mars verbally,
826
00:41:19,433 --> 00:41:23,132
but not when it came down
to the nation's pocketbook.
827
00:41:23,176 --> 00:41:25,657
It had been known
from the start
828
00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:28,529
that the Constellation
could not be executed
829
00:41:28,573 --> 00:41:31,010
on anything like
NASA's current budget.
830
00:41:31,053 --> 00:41:33,969
The assumption
was made that NASA
831
00:41:34,013 --> 00:41:36,755
would receive a very
substantial budget increase
832
00:41:36,798 --> 00:41:39,671
in order to do something
like Constellation.
833
00:41:39,714 --> 00:41:41,803
[Marcia] When President
Obama came into office,
834
00:41:41,847 --> 00:41:43,501
he set up this committee
835
00:41:43,544 --> 00:41:45,764
to take a look at the
Constellation program
836
00:41:45,807 --> 00:41:48,157
and that committee
determined that technically
837
00:41:48,201 --> 00:41:50,551
the Constellation program
was doing quite well,
838
00:41:50,595 --> 00:41:52,684
but that there
wasn't enough money.
839
00:41:52,727 --> 00:41:55,861
The budget for that
program had been reduced
840
00:41:55,904 --> 00:41:58,559
substantially every single
year since it started,
841
00:41:58,603 --> 00:42:03,521
and as a result, our look
at the Constellation program
842
00:42:03,564 --> 00:42:08,656
that we were then pursuing was
that it was not executable.
843
00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:11,485
The program was on a
trajectory to fail.
844
00:42:11,529 --> 00:42:15,663
We did recommend that either
NASA's budget be increased,
845
00:42:15,707 --> 00:42:17,230
rather substantially,
846
00:42:17,273 --> 00:42:19,580
or that they should be
given some other mission
847
00:42:19,624 --> 00:42:21,974
that they can do within
their current budget.
848
00:42:22,017 --> 00:42:26,587
Everyone agrees that
there's a $3 billion shortfall
849
00:42:26,631 --> 00:42:28,894
in what we need to
accomplish our goals.
850
00:42:30,504 --> 00:42:35,640
Of what you have suggested as
alternatives, other options,
851
00:42:35,683 --> 00:42:41,471
are any of those accomplishable
without that shortfall?
852
00:42:43,256 --> 00:42:45,650
[Man] Do you wanna
deal with that?
853
00:42:45,693 --> 00:42:47,695
-[Man 2] No.
-Okay, there you go.
854
00:42:47,739 --> 00:42:49,349
The White House was
not willing to invest
855
00:42:49,392 --> 00:42:50,959
that kind of money in it.
856
00:42:51,003 --> 00:42:52,961
Congress was not willing to
invest that kind of money in it,
857
00:42:53,005 --> 00:42:55,007
so the Constellation
program was canceled.
858
00:42:55,050 --> 00:43:00,665
The reason we were unable
to sustain humanity in space
859
00:43:00,708 --> 00:43:02,797
or on the moon after Apollo,
860
00:43:02,841 --> 00:43:04,756
was there was no
decision to do so...
861
00:43:06,453 --> 00:43:10,892
and there was no technology
that was designed
862
00:43:10,936 --> 00:43:15,680
to allow us to do so because
the decision was not there.
863
00:43:15,723 --> 00:43:18,204
Interestingly, in the
Constellation program
864
00:43:18,247 --> 00:43:23,601
and under President Bush, he
said, "We're going to establish
865
00:43:23,644 --> 00:43:26,125
human permanence
beyond the Earth."
866
00:43:27,779 --> 00:43:30,912
Unfortunately, the
people in charge
867
00:43:30,956 --> 00:43:34,350
were unable to understand
what that meant,
868
00:43:34,394 --> 00:43:37,484
and instead redesigned a bigger,
869
00:43:37,527 --> 00:43:41,053
badder version of
the Apollo program.
870
00:43:41,096 --> 00:43:44,360
It was doomed to failure
from the beginning.
871
00:43:46,885 --> 00:43:50,279
[upbeat electronic music]
872
00:43:52,978 --> 00:43:54,719
[Narrator] September of 2011,
873
00:43:54,762 --> 00:43:58,331
NASA proposes a new capability
for human exploration,
874
00:43:58,374 --> 00:44:01,377
a massive rocket, the
largest ever built,
875
00:44:01,421 --> 00:44:05,077
for a variety of missions
beyond low Earth orbit.
876
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,035
[Marcia]
When President
Obama announced
877
00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:09,037
that he was canceling
Constellation,
878
00:44:09,081 --> 00:44:13,041
what he wanted to do
was to wait five years
879
00:44:13,085 --> 00:44:16,436
and invest in game-
changing technologies,
880
00:44:16,479 --> 00:44:18,656
and after that period of time
881
00:44:18,699 --> 00:44:20,745
a decision would be made
as to what new rockets
882
00:44:20,788 --> 00:44:21,963
or spacecraft were needed
883
00:44:22,007 --> 00:44:23,704
to go wherever it is the nation
884
00:44:23,748 --> 00:44:25,663
was gonna go next in
human spaceflight.
885
00:44:25,706 --> 00:44:27,839
And that presupposed
in five years
886
00:44:27,882 --> 00:44:30,015
you could do something
that essentially
887
00:44:30,058 --> 00:44:32,147
obsoletes chemical propulsion.
888
00:44:32,191 --> 00:44:35,281
We will increase
investment right away
889
00:44:35,324 --> 00:44:37,283
in other groundbreaking
technologies
890
00:44:37,326 --> 00:44:38,893
that will allow astronauts
891
00:44:38,937 --> 00:44:41,287
to reach space sooner
and more often.
892
00:44:41,330 --> 00:44:43,028
Well, there was
nothing in the pipeline
893
00:44:43,071 --> 00:44:44,507
at all that would do that.
894
00:44:44,551 --> 00:44:46,901
I mean, there was discussion
of what might be.
895
00:44:46,945 --> 00:44:49,861
There was some hypotheses
of what could be done,
896
00:44:49,904 --> 00:44:51,514
but now we're five years later
897
00:44:51,558 --> 00:44:53,255
and there really was
nothing in the pipeline
898
00:44:53,299 --> 00:44:55,214
that was even remotely
mature enough.
899
00:44:55,257 --> 00:44:56,911
[Marcia] And Congress
hated that idea.
900
00:44:56,955 --> 00:44:59,958
Congress felt it was really
important to have a destination
901
00:45:00,001 --> 00:45:03,048
and a time frame
within which to meet
902
00:45:03,091 --> 00:45:06,486
specific visionary goals
for human spaceflight
903
00:45:06,529 --> 00:45:09,097
and so Congress wrote into law
904
00:45:09,141 --> 00:45:12,013
directing NASA to
build a new big rocket,
905
00:45:12,057 --> 00:45:14,276
which they called the
Space Launch System,
906
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,323
and to build a
multi-purpose crew vehicle,
907
00:45:17,366 --> 00:45:19,412
which we know as Orion,
908
00:45:19,455 --> 00:45:21,762
in order to provide
the capabilities
909
00:45:21,806 --> 00:45:26,375
to keep a vigorous human
spaceflight program going.
910
00:45:26,419 --> 00:45:28,638
So Constellation was canceled
911
00:45:28,682 --> 00:45:31,206
but Congress promptly reinstated
912
00:45:31,250 --> 00:45:34,122
the all the expensive parts
of it under new names...
913
00:45:36,124 --> 00:45:38,474
but did not give NASA
the budget increase
914
00:45:38,518 --> 00:45:40,955
that would be necessary
to fly missions with them.
915
00:45:40,999 --> 00:45:42,130
Do you know what the budget
916
00:45:42,174 --> 00:45:44,916
for the SLS Launch System is?
917
00:45:44,959 --> 00:45:46,569
Uh, I--
918
00:45:46,613 --> 00:45:48,920
We don't know, so you don't
know either, quite frankly.
919
00:45:48,963 --> 00:45:50,748
-That was
a leading question.
-[Grunsfeld] All right.
920
00:45:50,791 --> 00:45:52,706
And if that money
was gonna be taken
921
00:45:52,750 --> 00:45:56,318
out of your budget to develop
the SLS Launch System,
922
00:45:56,362 --> 00:45:58,364
rather than go with
the launch systems
923
00:45:58,407 --> 00:46:01,410
that we've already got, would
you be supportive of that?
924
00:46:02,498 --> 00:46:04,065
-No.
-Right.
925
00:46:04,109 --> 00:46:06,241
We really don't have
a lot of momentum
926
00:46:06,285 --> 00:46:07,808
and a lot of vision on what
927
00:46:07,852 --> 00:46:09,288
Space Launch System is gonna do.
928
00:46:09,331 --> 00:46:12,378
It's been pegged
"the rocket to nowhere."
929
00:46:12,421 --> 00:46:14,597
When they finally
get it upgraded
930
00:46:14,641 --> 00:46:19,559
to 130 metric tons,
which may be 2025,
931
00:46:19,602 --> 00:46:23,432
it will be equivalent and
almost equal to a Saturn V,
932
00:46:23,476 --> 00:46:27,654
which we will have
had 60 years earlier.
933
00:46:27,697 --> 00:46:30,613
We're talking about
after proving one flight,
934
00:46:30,657 --> 00:46:33,834
that we might do an
orbit around the moon
935
00:46:33,878 --> 00:46:35,444
called Apollo 8.
936
00:46:37,664 --> 00:46:39,231
You're keeping
Space Station alive,
937
00:46:39,274 --> 00:46:41,276
you're supporting the
various NASA centers,
938
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,235
you got two piece of
hardware you're developing,
939
00:46:43,278 --> 00:46:45,106
but they have no destination
940
00:46:45,150 --> 00:46:47,108
and they're like what
we did 60 years ago.
941
00:46:49,284 --> 00:46:51,678
I always call it
a rocket to anywhere
942
00:46:51,721 --> 00:46:54,246
because it's just
like the shuttle.
943
00:46:54,289 --> 00:46:56,204
When the shuttle was designed,
944
00:46:56,248 --> 00:47:00,339
it was designed to be a
shuttle of capability.
945
00:47:00,382 --> 00:47:03,168
It didn't have
payloads identified.
946
00:47:03,211 --> 00:47:05,997
All those missions
were nonexistent...
947
00:47:07,128 --> 00:47:08,695
on the day the
first shuttle flew.
948
00:47:10,915 --> 00:47:12,568
[Rick] If space
is a frontier...
949
00:47:14,048 --> 00:47:16,877
and I shall hereby
declare it to be so,
950
00:47:16,921 --> 00:47:20,054
and your goal is to
settle the frontier--
951
00:47:20,098 --> 00:47:23,318
in other words, for
people to live there
952
00:47:23,362 --> 00:47:27,714
like they do here in what
used to be a frontier--
953
00:47:29,237 --> 00:47:31,674
then you have to create
954
00:47:31,718 --> 00:47:34,112
a means for that to occur.
955
00:47:35,504 --> 00:47:38,812
No frontier has
never been opened
956
00:47:38,856 --> 00:47:41,206
based on the development
and operation
957
00:47:41,249 --> 00:47:44,383
of a single giant
government vehicle.
958
00:47:46,864 --> 00:47:48,866
[Jeff]
They can launch two to three--
959
00:47:48,909 --> 00:47:53,044
at least two and potentially
three SLS's per year.
960
00:47:53,087 --> 00:47:56,090
They can build that many and
they can launch that many.
961
00:47:56,134 --> 00:47:58,397
That's the way the design
of the infrastructure
962
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,357
and the vehicle and the
assembly plant is set up to do,
963
00:48:02,401 --> 00:48:05,317
but they need more funding.
964
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,145
To date, unfortunately,
965
00:48:07,188 --> 00:48:08,581
the budget has
not been increased,
966
00:48:08,624 --> 00:48:10,670
and that's a major concern.
967
00:48:10,713 --> 00:48:13,238
It's been a major
concern since day one,
968
00:48:13,281 --> 00:48:16,894
and if there's anything
our commission emphasized,
969
00:48:16,937 --> 00:48:19,940
it was that we have
to have a budget
970
00:48:19,984 --> 00:48:23,422
and a space program that are
consistent with each other.
971
00:48:23,465 --> 00:48:26,729
And unfortunately,
throughout the human
972
00:48:26,773 --> 00:48:30,342
space flight history,
for a couple of decades,
973
00:48:30,385 --> 00:48:32,692
that's not been the case.
974
00:48:32,735 --> 00:48:35,042
Tonight, NASA
announced further cuts
975
00:48:35,086 --> 00:48:37,262
have been ordered
in its new budget
976
00:48:37,305 --> 00:48:38,611
and one effect will be a delay
977
00:48:38,654 --> 00:48:40,700
in the timetable for
the space shuttle.
978
00:48:40,743 --> 00:48:43,746
50,000 employees are
not looking forward.
979
00:48:43,790 --> 00:48:45,357
They're looking elsewhere.
980
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,968
If this country really
needs another expensive
981
00:48:48,012 --> 00:48:49,970
piece of hardware in orbit,
982
00:48:50,014 --> 00:48:51,276
when here on the ground,
983
00:48:51,319 --> 00:48:52,973
we can hardly get
the mail delivered.
984
00:48:53,017 --> 00:48:54,540
[Reporter] Congress
cut the shuttle's budget
985
00:48:54,583 --> 00:48:57,543
by $234 million.
986
00:48:57,586 --> 00:48:59,719
Already there have
been some cutbacks
987
00:48:59,762 --> 00:49:01,112
and there could be others.
988
00:49:01,155 --> 00:49:02,896
It is, without question,
989
00:49:02,940 --> 00:49:04,419
the biggest waste
of money I've seen
990
00:49:04,463 --> 00:49:06,247
since I've been on the
United State Senate.
991
00:49:06,291 --> 00:49:08,946
Today, President Clinton
put in his latest bid.
992
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He outlined $13
billion in savings
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00:49:11,383 --> 00:49:13,211
at four federal agencies,
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00:49:13,254 --> 00:49:15,474
more than half the cuts at NASA.
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00:49:15,517 --> 00:49:17,171
The bailout, the bank bailout,
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that sum of money is greater
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than the entire 50 year
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00:49:21,784 --> 00:49:24,091
-running budget of NASA.
-[Joan Walsh] Wow.
999
00:49:24,135 --> 00:49:25,266
I think we have
to be realistic
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00:49:25,310 --> 00:49:26,702
when it comes to the budget.
1001
00:49:26,746 --> 00:49:28,487
If we need additional funds
for a heavy lift rocket,
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00:49:28,530 --> 00:49:30,184
we're going to have
to set priorities
1003
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and have to shift funds from
other parts of the program.
1004
00:49:32,534 --> 00:49:36,756
I don't think that NASA
or our space program
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00:49:36,799 --> 00:49:40,542
is somehow going to
defy budget gravity
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00:49:40,586 --> 00:49:42,980
and be the only agency
to get an increase
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00:49:43,023 --> 00:49:46,113
when every other agency is
either gonna be flatlined
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or be subject to the
budgetary constraints.
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00:49:48,724 --> 00:49:50,944
So I think we're just
gonna have to be smarter.
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00:49:50,988 --> 00:49:52,511
We're going to have to make sure
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00:49:52,554 --> 00:49:54,295
we don't have cost overruns
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00:49:54,339 --> 00:49:56,297
and we're gonna have
to set priorities
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00:49:56,341 --> 00:49:58,082
and use the money
that we do have better
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00:49:58,125 --> 00:49:59,474
and then we can get the funds,
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00:49:59,518 --> 00:50:01,128
say for a heavy lift rocket.
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00:50:01,172 --> 00:50:02,695
If we started today,
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00:50:02,738 --> 00:50:05,393
how long do each of you
estimate it would be
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00:50:05,437 --> 00:50:09,049
before we could place
a person on Mars?
1019
00:50:09,093 --> 00:50:11,095
-With the current budget?
-[polite laughter]
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[Mr. Posey] Yes. Give me a
date with the current budget
1021
00:50:13,532 --> 00:50:15,838
and a date with the
Apollo-era budget.
1022
00:50:17,623 --> 00:50:20,974
With the current
budget-- bear with me--
I would probably say never.
1023
00:50:21,018 --> 00:50:22,193
Hey...
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00:50:23,542 --> 00:50:24,586
China.
1025
00:50:25,892 --> 00:50:28,068
Can we borrow some money
to finish our Mars trip?
1026
00:50:28,112 --> 00:50:30,114
[audience laughing]
1027
00:50:31,985 --> 00:50:34,161
You know, with
Constellation, Mike Griffin,
1028
00:50:34,205 --> 00:50:35,858
and now people with the SLS,
1029
00:50:35,902 --> 00:50:39,079
just assume that if
we develop the SLS,
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00:50:39,123 --> 00:50:40,689
it will fly forever.
1031
00:50:42,126 --> 00:50:44,258
We had the Saturn V.
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00:50:45,651 --> 00:50:47,174
It worked.
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00:50:48,610 --> 00:50:51,178
It was flying humans
to the moon...
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00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,138
and we canceled it.
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00:50:56,401 --> 00:50:59,447
[dramatic music]
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00:51:01,623 --> 00:51:03,930
[Neil] When did we last
leave low-Earth orbit,
1037
00:51:03,973 --> 00:51:05,279
you know, a couple
hundred miles up
1038
00:51:05,323 --> 00:51:08,543
where the Space Station
Space Shuttle orbit...
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00:51:09,675 --> 00:51:11,633
to go somewhere
interesting with humans?
1040
00:51:11,677 --> 00:51:14,810
When did we last do it?
1972, Apollo 17.
1041
00:51:14,854 --> 00:51:17,074
It's been more than four decades
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00:51:17,117 --> 00:51:21,774
since we've left Earth
for another destination.
1043
00:51:21,817 --> 00:51:23,254
What's the problem?
1044
00:51:23,297 --> 00:51:25,952
What are we missing?
Is it political will?
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00:51:25,995 --> 00:51:27,649
Is it motivation?
Is it money?
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00:51:27,693 --> 00:51:29,782
Is it-- are we distracted?
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00:51:29,825 --> 00:51:31,305
Are there other issues?
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00:51:32,828 --> 00:51:34,700
We went to the moon...
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00:51:34,743 --> 00:51:37,529
in the 1960s!
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00:51:39,226 --> 00:51:42,011
What, we didn't have
problems in the 1960s?
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00:51:42,055 --> 00:51:45,145
[upbeat rock music]
1052
00:52:04,947 --> 00:52:07,298
We were at a hot war
in Southeast Asia,
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00:52:07,341 --> 00:52:09,778
a cold war with
the Soviet Union,
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00:52:09,822 --> 00:52:12,477
the Civil Rights Movement
was fully under way,
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00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,261
there was campus unrest,
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00:52:14,305 --> 00:52:16,524
there were riots in
the urban centers.
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00:52:18,222 --> 00:52:20,224
[John F. Kennedy]
It shall be the policy
of this nation
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to regard any nuclear missile
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launched from Cuba
against any nation
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00:52:25,098 --> 00:52:26,882
in the Western Hemisphere
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00:52:26,926 --> 00:52:30,364
as an attack by the Soviet
Union on the United States.
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00:52:30,408 --> 00:52:32,671
We had the greatest problems
the country has seen
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00:52:32,714 --> 00:52:34,586
since the Civil War
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and in that climate,
on that landscape,
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00:52:37,371 --> 00:52:38,764
we went to the moon.
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00:52:38,807 --> 00:52:40,157
So don't turn around and tell me
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00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:41,462
that these past four decades
1068
00:52:41,506 --> 00:52:43,203
we've had challenges
we couldn't overcome.
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00:52:43,247 --> 00:52:44,944
That's why we're not
going into space.
1070
00:52:44,987 --> 00:52:47,512
No, that's not the reason
we're not going into space.
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[rock music]
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It is the most natural
question in the world to say...
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you know, if you're a young
person in this country,
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"Wait a second, we
were on the moon?
1075
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"American citizens
were walking around,
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"jumping around on the moon?
1077
00:53:15,453 --> 00:53:19,108
"They were driving a
golf cart on the moon?
1078
00:53:19,152 --> 00:53:21,328
"They brought back
hundreds of pounds
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"of specially
selected rock samples
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"to see what the geological
history of the moon was...
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"and you stopped?
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00:53:31,512 --> 00:53:33,079
"Why did you stop?
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00:53:34,341 --> 00:53:36,387
Are you people nuts?"
1084
00:53:36,430 --> 00:53:38,345
My read of history
tells me there's only
1085
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two, maybe three motivations
1086
00:53:40,304 --> 00:53:42,001
for ever doing
something so grand
1087
00:53:42,044 --> 00:53:43,220
and one of them is war.
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00:53:45,439 --> 00:53:49,226
The other is money.
Let's do it for money.
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00:53:49,269 --> 00:53:51,097
If you can do it for
money, it'll happen.
1090
00:53:51,140 --> 00:53:54,492
I've never seen anyone
do it to explore.
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00:53:55,710 --> 00:53:58,713
There is a growing
tendency to think of man
1092
00:53:58,757 --> 00:54:03,065
as a rational thinking
being, which is absurd.
1093
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:05,503
There is simply no evidence
of any intelligence
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00:54:05,546 --> 00:54:06,852
on the Earth.
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00:54:06,895 --> 00:54:09,463
Mm-hmm, wait!
1096
00:54:09,507 --> 00:54:13,075
[rocket engine roaring]
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[Jim] Why did we stop
producing Saturn V rockets?
1098
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It's one of the great
mysteries to me.
1099
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The Saturn V rocket
can put more mass
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00:54:37,535 --> 00:54:42,540
into low-Earth orbit
than our shuttle.
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00:54:42,583 --> 00:54:45,499
It had been a
natural to help build
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the International Space Station.
1103
00:54:47,588 --> 00:54:50,635
[inspiring music]
1104
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The Saturn V was a
really unique rocket
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00:54:54,595 --> 00:54:56,467
in the sense that it was really
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00:54:56,510 --> 00:54:59,905
the first rocket
designed for exploration.
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00:54:59,948 --> 00:55:02,473
The Mercury Project's
launched on a Redstone,
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00:55:02,516 --> 00:55:04,475
which was an intermediate-range
ballistic missile.
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It was modified.
Then the Gemini
1110
00:55:06,607 --> 00:55:08,957
went up on a Titan,
which was an ICBM.
1111
00:55:09,001 --> 00:55:11,960
So, the Saturn program was
really the first rocket
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00:55:12,004 --> 00:55:13,440
that was never designed
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00:55:13,484 --> 00:55:15,312
to be launching missiles
on other people.
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00:55:15,355 --> 00:55:17,357
It was actually the first
one that was designed
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00:55:17,401 --> 00:55:20,317
to launch people to
new destinations.
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00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,928
So the Saturn V was a
leap beyond anything
1117
00:55:22,971 --> 00:55:24,451
that had been seen before.
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00:55:25,974 --> 00:55:29,630
It had five million-and-a-
half-pound thrust engines
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00:55:29,674 --> 00:55:31,371
on just the first stage.
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The second stage had five
1121
00:55:32,981 --> 00:55:35,593
quarter-million-pound thrust
hydrogen engines on it,
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00:55:35,636 --> 00:55:37,421
and had a third
stage with another
1123
00:55:37,464 --> 00:55:38,770
quarter-million-pound thrust.
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00:55:38,813 --> 00:55:40,162
It was a massive rocket.
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It was something that had
never been done before
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00:55:42,556 --> 00:55:44,732
and it worked very well
1127
00:55:44,776 --> 00:55:46,691
and it was able to do things
1128
00:55:46,734 --> 00:55:48,475
that nothing could
have been able to do
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00:55:48,519 --> 00:55:50,521
and nothing can do today.
1130
00:55:50,564 --> 00:55:54,699
[rocket engine roaring]
1131
00:56:00,531 --> 00:56:02,881
We have a tendency
in this country,
1132
00:56:02,924 --> 00:56:05,536
like "The Tortoise
and the Hare."
1133
00:56:05,579 --> 00:56:07,102
We are the Hare.
1134
00:56:07,146 --> 00:56:08,495
We build something,
we do something,
1135
00:56:08,539 --> 00:56:10,889
we go back and try
something else.
1136
00:56:10,932 --> 00:56:13,239
Look, folks, modern design!
1137
00:56:13,282 --> 00:56:15,023
Whoo, whoo, whoo hoo!
1138
00:56:15,067 --> 00:56:17,069
The Russians,
in the meanwhile,
1139
00:56:17,112 --> 00:56:18,723
are the tortoise.
1140
00:56:18,766 --> 00:56:21,465
They build something,
they keep it going.
1141
00:56:21,508 --> 00:56:23,641
Do you know that the booster,
1142
00:56:23,684 --> 00:56:29,908
the rocket that put Yuri
Krekorian up in space in 1961
1143
00:56:29,951 --> 00:56:32,998
is basically the same vehicle
1144
00:56:33,041 --> 00:56:36,436
that's putting our astronauts
and their cosmonauts
1145
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,874
into the International
Space Station today?
1146
00:56:39,918 --> 00:56:41,833
The same vehicle,
1147
00:56:41,876 --> 00:56:44,488
and yet, we don't keep ours.
1148
00:56:44,531 --> 00:56:46,664
The Saturn V could
have been improved.
1149
00:56:46,707 --> 00:56:50,015
That'd been a good
stepping stone towards
1150
00:56:50,058 --> 00:56:52,365
going back to the moon.
1151
00:56:52,409 --> 00:56:55,673
We could have improved
the lunar module.
1152
00:56:55,716 --> 00:56:58,023
We couldn't done lots of things
1153
00:56:58,066 --> 00:57:00,765
to the Saturn V to upgrade it,
1154
00:57:00,808 --> 00:57:04,682
and we'd have had, still, a
viable lunar program going.
1155
00:57:05,987 --> 00:57:07,467
It's a tragedy,
1156
00:57:07,511 --> 00:57:09,556
and I'll mention that every
time that someone tells me.
1157
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,821
It's a tragedy that we stopped
building the Saturn V rocket.
1158
00:57:20,698 --> 00:57:23,744
The decision to stop
production of the Saturn V
1159
00:57:23,788 --> 00:57:27,879
dates back really to the
Lyndon Johnson administration.
1160
00:57:27,922 --> 00:57:30,925
The Space Agency, facing
severe budget restrictions,
1161
00:57:30,969 --> 00:57:33,624
has decided to cut back
Apollo moon landing missions
1162
00:57:33,667 --> 00:57:34,929
to two flights a year.
1163
00:57:34,973 --> 00:57:36,801
[Logsdon]
NASA had stopped ordering
1164
00:57:36,844 --> 00:57:41,066
long lead-time items
for the Saturn V in 1968
1165
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:45,374
and announced suspension
of its production.
1166
00:57:45,418 --> 00:57:47,507
There were 15 built,
and then there weren't
1167
00:57:47,551 --> 00:57:48,682
gonna be any more.
1168
00:57:48,726 --> 00:57:51,337
Then there were
ambitious recommendations
1169
00:57:51,380 --> 00:57:53,513
to Nixon in September of '69
1170
00:57:53,557 --> 00:57:57,125
to use Mars as a long-term
goal of the program
1171
00:57:57,169 --> 00:57:59,388
and build a space station.
1172
00:58:00,999 --> 00:58:04,916
Those recommendations were
rejected in the fall of '69,
1173
00:58:04,959 --> 00:58:08,049
and then there was no need for
1174
00:58:08,093 --> 00:58:11,400
the kind of capability
represented by the Saturn V,
1175
00:58:11,444 --> 00:58:16,101
so it was in the budget
cycle in December of 1969
1176
00:58:16,144 --> 00:58:19,757
that the decision finally was
made to suspend production,
1177
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,237
basically shut the program down.
1178
00:58:22,281 --> 00:58:25,066
[dramatic music]
1179
00:58:25,110 --> 00:58:26,894
[typewriter keys clicking]
1180
00:58:54,618 --> 00:58:57,708
[pen scratching]
1181
00:58:57,751 --> 00:58:59,492
[Dale D. Myers]
We had a president who was
1182
00:58:59,536 --> 00:59:03,409
not particularly interested
in the space program.
1183
00:59:03,452 --> 00:59:09,546
We had a... Vietnam War that
was picking up a lot of money
1184
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:15,552
and... so as soon as
the NASA budget
1185
00:59:15,595 --> 00:59:19,599
for Apollo began to
drop off a little,
1186
00:59:19,643 --> 00:59:21,906
the White House looked at it
1187
00:59:21,949 --> 00:59:23,603
like a big place to get money.
1188
00:59:23,647 --> 00:59:28,390
[dramatic music]
1189
00:59:45,538 --> 00:59:49,063
[pen scratching]
1190
00:59:49,107 --> 00:59:51,500
Thomas Paine, administrator
of the Space Agency,
1191
00:59:51,544 --> 00:59:53,677
said today that 50,000
people will be dropped
1192
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,374
and the Space
Program stretched out
1193
00:59:55,417 --> 00:59:56,941
as a result of what he called
1194
00:59:56,984 --> 01:00:00,074
"very stringent budget cuts
ordered by President Nixon."
1195
01:00:00,118 --> 01:00:01,902
Most of those who
will lose their jobs
1196
01:00:01,946 --> 01:00:03,774
work for private contractors,
1197
01:00:03,817 --> 01:00:05,732
the rest for the Space Agency.
1198
01:00:05,776 --> 01:00:07,342
Among other things,
1199
01:00:07,386 --> 01:00:10,171
Paine said production of the
Saturn V rocket will be ended.
1200
01:00:10,215 --> 01:00:11,912
The last one will
be used to launch
1201
01:00:11,956 --> 01:00:13,958
an experimental space station.
1202
01:00:14,001 --> 01:00:15,568
The rocket was designed
1203
01:00:15,612 --> 01:00:18,876
at the Marshall Space Flight
Center in Huntsville, Alabama.
1204
01:00:18,919 --> 01:00:21,705
[dramatic music]
1205
01:00:23,054 --> 01:00:25,926
[Richard Nixon
speaking on tape]
1206
01:00:52,866 --> 01:00:56,043
The idea of going to
Mars was not selling.
1207
01:00:56,087 --> 01:00:58,785
Putting a base on the
moon was not selling.
1208
01:00:58,829 --> 01:01:01,396
We weren't gonna get
the big space station.
1209
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,790
We knew we weren't gonna
get the nuclear rocket.
1210
01:01:03,834 --> 01:01:05,923
With the Apollo
program doing so well,
1211
01:01:05,966 --> 01:01:08,229
we thought we would be
able to at least continue
1212
01:01:08,273 --> 01:01:12,625
with the sort of budget support
that we had had for Apollo,
1213
01:01:12,669 --> 01:01:16,281
which had been terrific,
and... didn't happen,
1214
01:01:16,324 --> 01:01:19,763
and so we were pretty
depressed group for a while.
1215
01:01:19,806 --> 01:01:22,156
Saturn V, Saturn IB,
1216
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,898
command module--
all disappeared.
1217
01:01:26,552 --> 01:01:28,380
And there will be a
mission to Mars someday,
1218
01:01:28,423 --> 01:01:30,295
but I don't know when.
1219
01:01:30,338 --> 01:01:32,340
50 years from now maybe.
1220
01:01:32,384 --> 01:01:34,647
[Announcer speaking]
1221
01:01:41,306 --> 01:01:44,004
[somber music]
1222
01:01:48,530 --> 01:01:50,924
[Jim] When I look at
the present direction
1223
01:01:50,968 --> 01:01:52,883
of our space program today...
1224
01:01:54,014 --> 01:01:55,886
I feel disappointed.
1225
01:01:55,929 --> 01:01:59,759
I feel that our
leaders don't really
1226
01:01:59,803 --> 01:02:03,502
have a good reason
for continuing it.
1227
01:02:03,545 --> 01:02:08,376
I think that-- that it's not
their desire to really have
1228
01:02:08,420 --> 01:02:13,164
a first-class,
first-rate program that
they can be proud of
1229
01:02:13,207 --> 01:02:17,777
and we look at ways that we
waste money in this country
1230
01:02:17,821 --> 01:02:20,171
when we could put it to good use
1231
01:02:20,214 --> 01:02:23,087
in a program that
everybody really--
1232
01:02:23,130 --> 01:02:26,177
the average individual--
really wants to see done,
1233
01:02:26,220 --> 01:02:29,267
then it-- it kind of
makes me feel sad.
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01:02:29,310 --> 01:02:31,269
[Rick] Today, we stand on
the shoulders of giants.
1235
01:02:32,357 --> 01:02:34,968
And we have to
honor those people.
1236
01:02:35,012 --> 01:02:37,318
I know a lot of
Apollo astronauts.
1237
01:02:37,362 --> 01:02:40,060
They're pretty pissed off...
1238
01:02:40,104 --> 01:02:41,845
'cause they did their job,
1239
01:02:41,888 --> 01:02:43,672
they did what they
were asked to do,
1240
01:02:43,716 --> 01:02:45,239
they put their
lives on the line.
1241
01:02:45,283 --> 01:02:48,416
They went out and they did
something incredible...
1242
01:02:48,460 --> 01:02:50,984
and then nothing happened.
1243
01:02:51,028 --> 01:02:55,510
Can NASA mount a project?
Can they do a project anymore?
1244
01:02:55,554 --> 01:02:58,600
Or does the project
become so politicized
1245
01:02:58,644 --> 01:03:00,428
and so wrapped up in Washington
1246
01:03:00,472 --> 01:03:03,692
that it gets strangulated
and can't happen?
1247
01:03:03,736 --> 01:03:05,956
Unfortunately, I
come from the '60s.
1248
01:03:08,088 --> 01:03:11,352
I'm not cynical.
I come from the '60s...
1249
01:03:11,396 --> 01:03:14,573
the greatest project management
the world has ever seen
1250
01:03:14,616 --> 01:03:16,444
on any project,
and we did it.
1251
01:03:18,446 --> 01:03:20,144
We did it urgently.
1252
01:03:20,187 --> 01:03:22,189
We did it on cost, on schedule,
1253
01:03:22,233 --> 01:03:23,800
and we did it right,
1254
01:03:23,843 --> 01:03:28,326
even with 45 years
of hindsight history,
we did it right.
1255
01:03:28,369 --> 01:03:31,198
I believe that when we landed
1256
01:03:31,242 --> 01:03:34,898
on the moon in 1969
as a flight tracker,
1257
01:03:34,941 --> 01:03:38,379
my children would see an
American back on the moon.
1258
01:03:38,423 --> 01:03:41,556
I'm starting to
lose that belief.
1259
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,210
I had hoped that I
would see it myself.
1260
01:03:43,254 --> 01:03:45,996
That is now... impossible.
1261
01:03:47,171 --> 01:03:51,044
Ironically, going to the moon
1262
01:03:51,088 --> 01:03:54,439
could have been a
natural continuation
1263
01:03:54,482 --> 01:03:57,137
of the westward migration
1264
01:03:57,181 --> 01:03:59,487
that began with the 13 colonies
1265
01:03:59,531 --> 01:04:04,275
and continued to the
end of the 1800s,
1266
01:04:04,318 --> 01:04:06,668
but we didn't do it that way.
1267
01:04:06,712 --> 01:04:10,063
We had a government
planned crisis project
1268
01:04:10,107 --> 01:04:13,588
instead of opening up
space like a frontier.
1269
01:04:13,632 --> 01:04:15,025
You realized during the entire
1270
01:04:15,068 --> 01:04:17,288
golden age of space exploration
1271
01:04:17,331 --> 01:04:19,290
that we generally
associate with the 1960s
1272
01:04:19,333 --> 01:04:21,248
and the voyage to the moon,
1273
01:04:21,292 --> 01:04:23,598
we remember ourselves
as pioneers in that era,
1274
01:04:23,642 --> 01:04:27,167
but in fact, we were reactive...
1275
01:04:28,473 --> 01:04:31,215
to the statements
made by the Soviets
1276
01:04:31,258 --> 01:04:35,872
rather than proactive in
fulfillment of dreams we had.
1277
01:04:35,915 --> 01:04:38,222
They put up a satellite, we
gotta put up a satellite.
1278
01:04:38,265 --> 01:04:40,354
They put a animal--
non-human animal in orbit,
1279
01:04:40,398 --> 01:04:41,965
we put a non-human animal.
1280
01:04:42,008 --> 01:04:45,794
They put up a first human,
we put up a first human.
1281
01:04:45,838 --> 01:04:47,361
This went on and on and on
1282
01:04:47,405 --> 01:04:50,451
with Russia beating us in
practically everything.
1283
01:04:52,279 --> 01:04:54,760
Then we get to the
moon before they did.
We said, "We win."
1284
01:04:58,633 --> 01:05:01,898
If that's how we look at it,
we didn't understand...
1285
01:05:03,334 --> 01:05:07,164
who was pioneering that race.
1286
01:05:10,732 --> 01:05:15,085
So, we are better at
reacting than proacting.
1287
01:05:16,347 --> 01:05:18,001
Given that fact,
we may have to sink
1288
01:05:18,044 --> 01:05:22,919
deeper into economic...
poverty as a nation
1289
01:05:22,962 --> 01:05:25,095
before we wake up and say,
1290
01:05:25,138 --> 01:05:26,923
"We gotta do
something about this."
1291
01:05:29,447 --> 01:05:33,277
It's an unfortunate
fact of how we function.
1292
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,322
[Rick] You know, there's a
generation out there right now
1293
01:05:35,366 --> 01:05:37,150
that doesn't believe we've
ever been to the moon.
1294
01:05:38,238 --> 01:05:41,459
Now, that's not
because the shadows
1295
01:05:41,502 --> 01:05:44,070
from the flag fall the wrong way
1296
01:05:44,114 --> 01:05:46,377
or the lens flare is wrong
1297
01:05:46,420 --> 01:05:49,815
or you can't see the stars
because of the contrast ratio
1298
01:05:49,858 --> 01:05:52,992
or this or that or the
other or anything like that.
1299
01:05:53,036 --> 01:05:58,563
The real reason that any
of that... sticks at all...
1300
01:05:59,607 --> 01:06:02,132
is that we're not there now...
1301
01:06:02,175 --> 01:06:03,916
and it's incredibly
hard to believe
1302
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,092
that if we ever did
something that magnificent,
1303
01:06:06,136 --> 01:06:08,616
that exciting,
that inspirational...
1304
01:06:10,053 --> 01:06:12,577
why did we stop?
1305
01:06:12,620 --> 01:06:15,580
That's the reason there's people
who believe we never went.
1306
01:06:15,623 --> 01:06:18,670
Why aren't we there now?
1307
01:06:18,713 --> 01:06:22,065
It's peace time, Jim.
The government isn't making
that kind of appropriations.
1308
01:06:22,108 --> 01:06:23,892
Oh, they'll need the
rocket one of these days
1309
01:06:23,936 --> 01:06:25,938
and if it's not ready, the
government will do the job.
1310
01:06:25,982 --> 01:06:29,115
And they'll turn to you, to
private industry, to do it.
1311
01:06:29,159 --> 01:06:31,422
Government always does
that when it gets in a jam.
1312
01:06:31,465 --> 01:06:32,814
It has to.
This time,
1313
01:06:32,858 --> 01:06:37,167
I figured we might be
ready for the government.
1314
01:06:37,210 --> 01:06:41,214
[Bill] The British government
explored Hudson Bay.
1315
01:06:41,258 --> 01:06:44,130
Then, the Hudson Bay
Company was created.
1316
01:06:44,174 --> 01:06:46,611
The US government
explores the moon,
1317
01:06:46,654 --> 01:06:50,180
then the lunar,
gofindlunarrocks.com
1318
01:06:50,223 --> 01:06:52,095
company will get created.
1319
01:06:52,138 --> 01:06:55,272
We have companies now,
SpaceX leading the way,
1320
01:06:55,315 --> 01:06:57,709
bringing cargo to and
from the Space Station.
1321
01:06:57,752 --> 01:07:00,364
That should have been
happening decades ago.
1322
01:07:00,407 --> 01:07:03,062
You don't need astronauts
to serve as truck drivers
1323
01:07:03,106 --> 01:07:05,325
hauling cargo back and forth.
1324
01:07:05,369 --> 01:07:07,240
An unmanned vehicle can do that
1325
01:07:07,284 --> 01:07:09,851
and let the commercial
marketplace take care of it.
1326
01:07:09,895 --> 01:07:11,418
Let them bid for that.
1327
01:07:11,462 --> 01:07:13,159
They can do it faster,
cheaper, better,
1328
01:07:13,203 --> 01:07:16,380
than any government program
could do it, for sure.
1329
01:07:16,423 --> 01:07:18,860
[Mark Sirangelo]
When airplanes were
first beginning,
1330
01:07:18,904 --> 01:07:21,559
a very smart group
of people decided
1331
01:07:21,602 --> 01:07:23,169
that they were not going to--
1332
01:07:23,213 --> 01:07:25,780
America was not going
to own its own fleet,
1333
01:07:25,824 --> 01:07:27,086
its own airline.
1334
01:07:27,130 --> 01:07:28,827
It said, "What we're
gonna do is help build
1335
01:07:28,870 --> 01:07:31,525
the airline industry and
the airplane industry,"
1336
01:07:31,569 --> 01:07:33,527
and they did that by
simply guaranteeing
1337
01:07:33,571 --> 01:07:34,789
a certain amount of mail
1338
01:07:34,833 --> 01:07:37,314
that was gonna be
traveling on airplanes.
1339
01:07:37,357 --> 01:07:39,707
And what happened was
that an industry developed
1340
01:07:39,751 --> 01:07:41,622
here America became
the leading country
1341
01:07:41,666 --> 01:07:44,190
and the leading
technology developer
1342
01:07:44,234 --> 01:07:47,454
of what we now know
as modern aviation.
1343
01:07:47,498 --> 01:07:52,242
[inspirational music]
1344
01:08:00,902 --> 01:08:02,469
People should be
able to come up
1345
01:08:02,513 --> 01:08:05,168
with creative, beneficial things
1346
01:08:05,211 --> 01:08:08,345
that they can figure
out how to afford to do
1347
01:08:08,388 --> 01:08:12,479
and if there's science involved
that can benefit the country
1348
01:08:12,523 --> 01:08:15,134
and the federal government
can get involved,
1349
01:08:15,178 --> 01:08:17,615
if there's technology
that needs to be developed
1350
01:08:17,658 --> 01:08:21,140
that can help people,
the government can
get involved there.
1351
01:08:21,184 --> 01:08:24,274
We could have partnerships
and we can move out.
1352
01:08:24,317 --> 01:08:26,537
We can have the 21st
century equivalent
1353
01:08:26,580 --> 01:08:28,974
of the Transcontinental
Railroad,
1354
01:08:29,017 --> 01:08:31,977
which by the way, was
built by private companies
1355
01:08:32,020 --> 01:08:34,893
without a government
department of railroads
1356
01:08:34,935 --> 01:08:36,286
telling them how to do it.
1357
01:08:37,461 --> 01:08:39,115
We did it with land grants.
1358
01:08:39,158 --> 01:08:41,334
Well, we could do the
same thing in space.
1359
01:08:41,377 --> 01:08:43,423
We could do the same sort of
1360
01:08:43,466 --> 01:08:45,295
innovative
partnerships in space.
1361
01:08:45,337 --> 01:08:46,470
We just have to get away
1362
01:08:46,513 --> 01:08:48,645
from this sort of
bureaucratic mindset
1363
01:08:48,689 --> 01:08:51,692
that it needs to be a government
program to do it for us.
1364
01:08:51,736 --> 01:08:55,087
The vast amount of brains,
talents, special skills,
1365
01:08:55,131 --> 01:08:57,176
and research facilities
necessary for this project
1366
01:08:57,220 --> 01:09:00,136
are not in the government,
nor can they be mobilized
1367
01:09:00,179 --> 01:09:03,487
by the government in
peacetime without fatal delay.
1368
01:09:03,529 --> 01:09:06,490
Only American industry
can do this job.
1369
01:09:06,533 --> 01:09:09,406
[Rick] The way frontiers
have been opened,
1370
01:09:09,448 --> 01:09:11,408
and the way that they
should be opened,
1371
01:09:11,451 --> 01:09:15,368
is by an interaction of the
private and the public sector,
1372
01:09:15,412 --> 01:09:18,154
working for the good of all
1373
01:09:18,197 --> 01:09:20,939
so that the government
is providing
1374
01:09:20,982 --> 01:09:23,420
a Lewis and Clark function,
1375
01:09:23,462 --> 01:09:27,162
a Magellan function,
a Drake function,
1376
01:09:27,206 --> 01:09:30,514
and then those
explorers are returning
1377
01:09:30,557 --> 01:09:32,777
and telling us about
what's over the hill,
1378
01:09:32,819 --> 01:09:35,214
what's across that ocean,
1379
01:09:35,258 --> 01:09:39,479
and then the private sector
moves into that realm
1380
01:09:39,523 --> 01:09:44,091
and begins to turn what
it is that's been found
1381
01:09:44,136 --> 01:09:46,399
into new land, new wealth,
1382
01:09:48,966 --> 01:09:51,752
and that's how you
open a frontier.
1383
01:09:51,796 --> 01:09:53,798
You don't open a frontier
1384
01:09:53,841 --> 01:09:57,976
by sending a few highly-
paid government employees
1385
01:09:58,019 --> 01:10:04,025
out there in a large and
expensive government vehicle
1386
01:10:04,069 --> 01:10:09,248
and throwing most of it away
on the way there and back.
1387
01:10:09,292 --> 01:10:13,296
[patriotic music playing]
1388
01:10:13,339 --> 01:10:15,211
Well, I know one thing.
1389
01:10:15,254 --> 01:10:17,952
If they do build a space
station in my lifetime,
1390
01:10:17,996 --> 01:10:19,650
or send a ship to the moon,
1391
01:10:19,693 --> 01:10:21,521
I'm gonna be ready to go.
1392
01:10:21,565 --> 01:10:23,480
What courses are
you taking next year?
1393
01:10:23,523 --> 01:10:25,743
Oh, my schedule
is already made out.
1394
01:10:25,786 --> 01:10:28,528
In the ninth grade, you
have to take mathematics
1395
01:10:28,572 --> 01:10:31,183
-and English
and history--
-No science?
1396
01:10:31,227 --> 01:10:32,663
Well, I had my
choice of taking
1397
01:10:32,706 --> 01:10:34,621
general science
this year or next,
1398
01:10:34,665 --> 01:10:36,493
but I've put it off a year.
1399
01:10:36,536 --> 01:10:38,364
Then you put your
trip off a year.
1400
01:10:38,408 --> 01:10:41,585
Science is the
engine of prosperity.
1401
01:10:41,628 --> 01:10:44,544
All the wealth we see around
us comes from science,
1402
01:10:44,588 --> 01:10:48,722
but science is made by
scientists, mainly young people.
1403
01:10:48,766 --> 01:10:51,421
Young people have
to be inspired.
1404
01:10:51,464 --> 01:10:53,336
They have to look
into the sky and say,
1405
01:10:53,379 --> 01:10:55,947
"Wow, I wanna be part
of this great endeavor
1406
01:10:55,990 --> 01:10:58,036
to explore the universe."
1407
01:10:58,079 --> 01:11:01,169
The real spin-off that matters
1408
01:11:01,213 --> 01:11:03,650
out of the Apollo program...
1409
01:11:03,694 --> 01:11:08,699
was a generation that saw that
1410
01:11:08,742 --> 01:11:11,267
and in their mind, they mixed,
1411
01:11:11,310 --> 01:11:12,964
"Here's the Apollo program
1412
01:11:13,007 --> 01:11:16,184
"and people really
doing something cool
out there in space,
1413
01:11:16,228 --> 01:11:18,143
"and here's Captain Kirk
1414
01:11:18,186 --> 01:11:20,754
and these kinds of
shows and movies,"
1415
01:11:20,798 --> 01:11:22,278
"2001 Space Odyssey,"
1416
01:11:22,321 --> 01:11:24,062
and if you put this all together
1417
01:11:24,105 --> 01:11:27,457
in the mind of a child or a
teenager, what begins to happen
1418
01:11:27,500 --> 01:11:30,460
is a synthesis that
says, "I wanna do that.
1419
01:11:30,503 --> 01:11:32,244
"Somebody's done it.
1420
01:11:32,288 --> 01:11:33,680
"I can do it.
1421
01:11:33,724 --> 01:11:35,769
I'm gonna figure
out how to do it."
1422
01:11:35,813 --> 01:11:38,163
The biggest spin-off
of the Apollo program
1423
01:11:38,206 --> 01:11:41,906
was a generation who stayed
in school, who studied,
1424
01:11:41,949 --> 01:11:44,387
and now, they wanna do that.
1425
01:11:44,430 --> 01:11:46,476
They want to give
back to civilization
1426
01:11:46,519 --> 01:11:48,782
in the way that they were
inspired to do as children.
1427
01:11:48,826 --> 01:11:51,655
My son looked up at me
one night and asked me--
1428
01:11:51,698 --> 01:11:54,266
sorry, it still breaks me up--
1429
01:11:55,702 --> 01:11:57,313
"Daddy, is it really true
1430
01:11:57,356 --> 01:12:00,446
that they used to fly to the
moon when you were a boy?"
1431
01:12:00,490 --> 01:12:03,101
I was really disappointed that
we had not sent anyone to Mars,
1432
01:12:03,144 --> 01:12:05,669
that we had not
progressed beyond Apollo,
1433
01:12:05,712 --> 01:12:08,367
and I kept waiting
for when we would,
1434
01:12:08,411 --> 01:12:10,761
and it just didn't
happen, year after year.
1435
01:12:10,804 --> 01:12:14,591
I submit that if we engage
in another bold vision
1436
01:12:14,634 --> 01:12:16,201
like we did in the '60s,
1437
01:12:16,244 --> 01:12:17,768
this time not motivated by war,
1438
01:12:17,811 --> 01:12:20,858
but by an understanding
of the impact
1439
01:12:20,901 --> 01:12:22,729
of that adventure
on our culture...
1440
01:12:24,078 --> 01:12:25,645
our culture...
1441
01:12:25,689 --> 01:12:28,518
what people wanted to
be when they grew up.
1442
01:12:28,561 --> 01:12:30,128
I am a child of Apollo.
1443
01:12:31,347 --> 01:12:34,698
The greatest influences
I had growing up
1444
01:12:34,741 --> 01:12:38,266
were NASA and "Star Trek."
1445
01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:40,965
I didn't just believe we
were going into space.
1446
01:12:41,008 --> 01:12:42,749
I expected it.
1447
01:12:42,793 --> 01:12:45,491
[Neil] It stimulates
an entire generation
1448
01:12:45,535 --> 01:12:47,014
of scientists and technologists.
1449
01:12:47,058 --> 01:12:48,538
It's the 21st century.
1450
01:12:48,581 --> 01:12:50,366
You need them if you care about
1451
01:12:50,409 --> 01:12:52,629
the health of your
economy tomorrow.
1452
01:12:52,672 --> 01:12:54,413
You need folks like
that around you.
1453
01:12:54,457 --> 01:12:56,546
I went to the NASA
website to just see,
1454
01:12:56,589 --> 01:12:57,590
"When are we going to Mars?"
1455
01:12:57,634 --> 01:12:59,766
And I couldn't find that out.
1456
01:12:59,810 --> 01:13:01,899
[laughter]
1457
01:13:01,942 --> 01:13:03,466
Then I thought, well,
1458
01:13:03,509 --> 01:13:06,425
perhaps this is a
question of-- of will.
1459
01:13:06,469 --> 01:13:09,776
Is there sufficient
will to do this?
1460
01:13:09,820 --> 01:13:14,172
The reason I fight
so hard for this cause
1461
01:13:14,215 --> 01:13:17,610
is because I believe we are here
1462
01:13:17,654 --> 01:13:20,265
to expand and grow
1463
01:13:20,308 --> 01:13:23,616
and carry the light
of life into space.
1464
01:13:23,660 --> 01:13:26,706
[Neil] If we don't embrace
space as a frontier,
1465
01:13:26,750 --> 01:13:29,535
what are we as a species?
1466
01:13:29,579 --> 01:13:31,319
We have the power to do it.
1467
01:13:31,363 --> 01:13:32,930
We have the know-how to do it.
1468
01:13:32,973 --> 01:13:34,758
We know what it can bring us...
1469
01:13:35,976 --> 01:13:40,416
culturally, economically,
militaristically.
1470
01:13:40,459 --> 01:13:44,724
To not do it is to simply
not have the foresight.
1471
01:13:47,074 --> 01:13:49,773
In these final hours
before Apollo 17,
1472
01:13:49,816 --> 01:13:51,601
some people are gloomy about
1473
01:13:51,644 --> 01:13:53,690
the future of space exploration.
1474
01:13:53,733 --> 01:13:56,432
Not among them is
Dr. Wernher von Braun,
1475
01:13:56,475 --> 01:13:58,608
the retired rocket
expert to develop
1476
01:13:58,651 --> 01:14:00,871
the big Saturn launch vehicles
1477
01:14:00,914 --> 01:14:03,526
used to send men
on their way to the moon.
1478
01:14:03,569 --> 01:14:05,745
I talked with Dr. Von
Braun earlier this evening.
1479
01:14:05,789 --> 01:14:09,445
I think that all good
things have an ending.
1480
01:14:09,488 --> 01:14:12,491
I consider Apollo a
little bit as it were
1481
01:14:12,535 --> 01:14:17,235
as a sailing ship and dog
sled area for the south pole.
1482
01:14:17,278 --> 01:14:19,411
Or next time we go
to the south pole,
1483
01:14:19,455 --> 01:14:21,674
we'll go by turboprop airplane.
1484
01:14:21,718 --> 01:14:24,547
We doubled the number
of science graduates
1485
01:14:24,590 --> 01:14:26,897
in this country during
Apollo at every level:
1486
01:14:26,940 --> 01:14:29,029
high school, college, PhD.
1487
01:14:29,073 --> 01:14:30,509
What force was
operating to make
1488
01:14:30,553 --> 01:14:31,858
everyone want to
become scientists?
1489
01:14:31,902 --> 01:14:34,295
We were going to the moon.
1490
01:14:34,339 --> 01:14:36,950
So, our motivation was
militaristically driven,
1491
01:14:36,994 --> 01:14:39,126
but we benefited
economically from it
1492
01:14:39,170 --> 01:14:41,520
because scientists
and technologists
1493
01:14:41,564 --> 01:14:44,262
invent the economies
of tomorrow.
1494
01:14:48,266 --> 01:14:51,399
We used to invent new
things with such frequency
1495
01:14:51,443 --> 01:14:54,098
that you didn't fix something
that was about to break.
1496
01:14:54,141 --> 01:14:56,492
You put in something
completely new
1497
01:14:56,535 --> 01:14:59,625
that took you to a new place.
1498
01:14:59,669 --> 01:15:01,540
You didn't have to worry
about the old thing breaking,
1499
01:15:01,584 --> 01:15:04,630
because you just replaced
the entire structure
1500
01:15:04,674 --> 01:15:06,589
with better materials,
lighter materials,
1501
01:15:06,632 --> 01:15:09,809
more durable materials.
1502
01:15:09,853 --> 01:15:14,118
These are the things that come
out of an innovation nation.
1503
01:15:14,161 --> 01:15:15,859
You know how you get in
an innovation nation?
1504
01:15:15,902 --> 01:15:18,296
You put a bold project
in front of them
1505
01:15:18,339 --> 01:15:20,994
that inspires people to want
to innovate in the first place.
1506
01:15:21,038 --> 01:15:24,563
And I know of no
greater force of nature
1507
01:15:24,607 --> 01:15:27,523
than what going
into space can do...
1508
01:15:29,089 --> 01:15:30,961
for the next
generation of people
1509
01:15:31,004 --> 01:15:35,052
who are tasked with taking
us into the 21st century.
1510
01:15:35,095 --> 01:15:38,795
I believe that we
can carry this battle
1511
01:15:38,838 --> 01:15:42,538
and basically address
it, articulate it
1512
01:15:42,581 --> 01:15:45,236
as an economic
challenge to the nation,
1513
01:15:45,279 --> 01:15:47,151
a technological
challenge to the nation,
1514
01:15:47,194 --> 01:15:50,110
a spiritual challenge
to the nation,
1515
01:15:50,154 --> 01:15:55,072
that we have to
believe as a nation...
1516
01:15:55,115 --> 01:15:57,596
we are capable of
doing difficult things
1517
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,555
and move forward and do it.
1518
01:15:59,598 --> 01:16:03,036
We need to bring
America's character
1519
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:05,691
to bear on America's frontier.
1520
01:16:06,736 --> 01:16:08,128
And if we do that...
1521
01:16:10,348 --> 01:16:13,917
there is no limit to
what we can accomplish.
1522
01:16:14,961 --> 01:16:17,703
We were given
the Apollo program
1523
01:16:17,747 --> 01:16:19,618
because of a set of challenges
1524
01:16:19,662 --> 01:16:22,665
that a very young
president faced.
1525
01:16:22,708 --> 01:16:24,884
We were fortunate at that time
1526
01:16:24,928 --> 01:16:26,712
we had the articulators.
1527
01:16:26,756 --> 01:16:29,019
We had the Von
Brauns and the Lows
1528
01:16:29,062 --> 01:16:31,935
and the gurus who were
capable of going up
1529
01:16:31,978 --> 01:16:34,285
and basically talking
to this president
1530
01:16:34,328 --> 01:16:38,245
and talking to the US Congress
and selling this program.
1531
01:16:38,289 --> 01:16:43,250
We need the people who have
that fluency, that belief
1532
01:16:43,294 --> 01:16:46,689
and are willing to expend
themselves in that cost.
1533
01:16:46,732 --> 01:16:48,125
During the Apollo era,
1534
01:16:48,168 --> 01:16:50,083
you didn't need
government programs
1535
01:16:50,127 --> 01:16:51,432
trying to convince people
1536
01:16:51,476 --> 01:16:52,651
that doing science
and engineering
1537
01:16:52,695 --> 01:16:54,348
was good for the country.
1538
01:16:54,392 --> 01:16:56,394
It was self-evident.
1539
01:16:56,437 --> 01:16:59,832
Maybe we need a department
of future thinkers...
1540
01:17:01,573 --> 01:17:04,794
who aren't thinking, "Will I
get reelected this November?"
1541
01:17:04,837 --> 01:17:08,667
Who aren't thinking,
"Can we afford this now?
1542
01:17:08,711 --> 01:17:11,148
Are these other problems
I have to solve?" No.
1543
01:17:11,191 --> 01:17:13,977
We need like a new
presidential cabinet position:
1544
01:17:14,020 --> 01:17:16,153
the futurist.
1545
01:17:16,196 --> 01:17:19,765
They can help set
priorities for how we invest
1546
01:17:19,809 --> 01:17:22,638
versus the return on
that investment later on.
1547
01:17:24,683 --> 01:17:25,945
That's what we need.
1548
01:17:28,818 --> 01:17:30,776
We don't have that...
1549
01:17:30,820 --> 01:17:32,822
and I've been trying,
but I've been failing,
1550
01:17:32,865 --> 01:17:34,867
so basically, I gave up.
1551
01:17:34,911 --> 01:17:36,869
Just going back to my lab.
1552
01:17:36,913 --> 01:17:39,785
I'm tired of screaming
into people's ears.
1553
01:17:39,829 --> 01:17:41,047
What we got paid back for
1554
01:17:41,091 --> 01:17:43,397
were million of
scientists, engineers,
1555
01:17:43,441 --> 01:17:46,139
doctors, medical
researchers, inventors, okay?
1556
01:17:46,183 --> 01:17:47,619
Who are the people who created
1557
01:17:47,663 --> 01:17:49,316
the economic boom of the 1990s?
1558
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:51,405
These 40-year-old
techno billionaires
1559
01:17:51,449 --> 01:17:52,668
who built Silicon Valley.
1560
01:17:52,711 --> 01:17:54,539
These are the 12-year-
olds of the 1960s.
1561
01:17:54,582 --> 01:17:59,283
Apollo worked because John
F. Kennedy said in 1961,
1562
01:17:59,326 --> 01:18:02,808
"We are going to be on the
moon by the end of the decade,"
1563
01:18:02,852 --> 01:18:05,855
and while administrations
changed in early 1969,
1564
01:18:05,898 --> 01:18:07,726
we were practically to the moon
1565
01:18:07,770 --> 01:18:10,903
and they weren't about to
cancel that at that point.
1566
01:18:10,947 --> 01:18:14,037
If instead, Kennedy had said,
"I think it'd be good idea
1567
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,604
to go to the moon and we
should do it by the year 2000,"
1568
01:18:16,648 --> 01:18:19,085
we never would have
made it to the moon.
1569
01:18:19,129 --> 01:18:20,957
It's not about
the rocket equation.
1570
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,089
It's not about physics.
1571
01:18:23,133 --> 01:18:27,311
We solve those issues
every single day.
1572
01:18:27,354 --> 01:18:30,053
We have built a cage
around our ideas.
1573
01:18:30,096 --> 01:18:33,926
We have built a cage around our
future that says, "You cannot."
1574
01:18:33,970 --> 01:18:36,668
We are telling the
generation that exists today
1575
01:18:36,712 --> 01:18:39,236
that they're going
to have less...
1576
01:18:39,279 --> 01:18:40,803
that they should
give up their dreams,
1577
01:18:40,846 --> 01:18:44,545
that their job is to save a
planet that we've screwed up.
1578
01:18:44,589 --> 01:18:47,897
What really matters
is that someday
1579
01:18:47,940 --> 01:18:49,768
there's a kid
living on the moon,
1580
01:18:49,812 --> 01:18:51,030
there's a kid living
in free space,
1581
01:18:51,074 --> 01:18:52,771
there's a kid living on Mars,
1582
01:18:52,815 --> 01:18:54,120
who looks back at
the Earth and says,
1583
01:18:54,164 --> 01:18:55,469
"That's where we came from,"
1584
01:18:55,513 --> 01:18:56,819
turns their head,
looks the other way,
1585
01:18:56,862 --> 01:18:58,081
and says, "That's
what we're going."
1586
01:18:58,124 --> 01:19:00,648
It will be a human endeavor.
1587
01:19:00,692 --> 01:19:03,260
It will bring out the
best in humankind.
1588
01:19:03,303 --> 01:19:05,958
Space exploration
has changed your life,
1589
01:19:06,002 --> 01:19:08,700
and it's made your life better.
1590
01:19:08,744 --> 01:19:12,051
The food you eat, your
communication systems,
1591
01:19:12,095 --> 01:19:16,055
your transportation systems
are all made better by space.
1592
01:19:16,099 --> 01:19:19,667
But deeper and bigger
and more importantly,
1593
01:19:19,711 --> 01:19:23,933
your view of your
relationship to the cosmos,
1594
01:19:23,976 --> 01:19:25,586
your place in space,
1595
01:19:25,630 --> 01:19:28,241
is fundamentally
influenced by people
1596
01:19:28,285 --> 01:19:30,809
who have insisted
that we explore space,
1597
01:19:30,853 --> 01:19:32,506
that we go over the horizon,
1598
01:19:32,550 --> 01:19:35,118
that we look beyond
what we can see,
1599
01:19:35,161 --> 01:19:37,076
and that is all to the good
1600
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,905
and it is in everyone's
best interest to support it.
1601
01:19:41,864 --> 01:19:45,084
We cannot allow
ourselves to settle
1602
01:19:45,128 --> 01:19:48,609
for the condition and the
state that we are in today.
1603
01:19:48,653 --> 01:19:52,613
We have to become the foot
soldiers in the fight for space,
1604
01:19:52,657 --> 01:19:54,833
and it has to apply
to every person
1605
01:19:54,877 --> 01:19:58,097
who lives, works,
and dreams of space,
1606
01:19:58,141 --> 01:19:59,664
and it's time to do it now.
1607
01:19:59,707 --> 01:20:02,710
[dramatic music]
1608
01:20:51,585 --> 01:20:54,806
[dramatic music]
1609
01:23:11,421 --> 01:23:15,773
[classical music]
1610
01:26:05,856 --> 01:26:08,859
[upbeat rock music]
1611
01:27:23,063 --> 01:27:25,979
[enchanting music]
1612
01:32:37,508 --> 01:32:39,597
-I got fired.
-[Man] Really?
1613
01:32:39,641 --> 01:32:41,512
Yes, sir, out the door.
1614
01:32:41,556 --> 01:32:42,600
"We're not gonna fly you again.
1615
01:32:42,644 --> 01:32:43,949
We don't have a job for you."
1616
01:32:43,993 --> 01:32:45,864
They get tired of
hearing this stuff,
1617
01:32:45,908 --> 01:32:47,997
and when you're jabbing
them, the bureaucrats--
1618
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:49,868
you're jabbing them,
1619
01:32:49,912 --> 01:32:51,174
they've had enough.
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