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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:04,221 --> 00:00:06,963 [dramatic music] 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:40,214 --> 00:00:43,347 The area of manned spaceflight budget request for Apollo 5 00:00:43,391 --> 00:00:46,655 is being reduced by $42.1 million 6 00:00:46,698 --> 00:00:50,137 to $916.5 million. 7 00:00:50,180 --> 00:00:54,054 This reduction will be achieved by canceling the Apollo 15 8 00:00:54,097 --> 00:00:56,230 and 19 lunar missions, 9 00:00:56,273 --> 00:00:59,276 redesignating the remaining Apollo flights 10 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,366 as Apollo's 14 through 17. 11 00:01:03,846 --> 00:01:07,110 [inspirational music] 12 00:01:13,073 --> 00:01:14,639 [Reporter] Everything is going smoothly here 13 00:01:14,683 --> 00:01:18,078 at the Kennedy Space Center for the launch of Apollo 17, 14 00:01:18,121 --> 00:01:21,515 man's last trip to the moon in the foreseeable future. 15 00:01:21,559 --> 00:01:25,346 [dramatic fanfare] 16 00:01:27,565 --> 00:01:31,526 [Eugene Cernan] Three, two, one ignition. 17 00:01:31,569 --> 00:01:33,136 We're on our way, Houston. 18 00:01:53,069 --> 00:01:56,158 I believe that this nation should commit itself 19 00:01:56,203 --> 00:01:59,902 to achieving the goal before this decade is out 20 00:01:59,945 --> 00:02:01,643 of landing a man on the moon 21 00:02:01,686 --> 00:02:04,602 and returning him safely to the Earth. 22 00:02:04,646 --> 00:02:07,388 No single space project in this period 23 00:02:07,431 --> 00:02:09,824 will be more impressive to mankind, 24 00:02:09,868 --> 00:02:13,916 or more important for the long-range exploration of space. 25 00:02:13,959 --> 00:02:17,398 None will be so difficult or expensive to accomplish. 26 00:02:17,441 --> 00:02:20,444 [dramatic music] 27 00:02:25,928 --> 00:02:28,539 The average taxpayer is entitled to ask, 28 00:02:28,583 --> 00:02:30,454 "What's in space for me?" 29 00:02:32,152 --> 00:02:35,329 [Reporter] T minus 15 seconds, guidance is internal. 30 00:02:35,372 --> 00:02:41,422 12, 11, 10, nine, ignition sequence start, 31 00:02:41,465 --> 00:02:45,208 six, five, four, three, 32 00:02:45,252 --> 00:02:50,387 two, one, zero. All engine run. 33 00:02:50,430 --> 00:02:54,826 Lift off, we have a lift off, 32 minutes past the hour, 34 00:02:54,870 --> 00:02:56,654 lift off on Apollo 11. 35 00:02:58,439 --> 00:03:00,005 [Neil Armstrong] Roger, we got a roll program. 36 00:03:00,049 --> 00:03:01,268 [Reporter] Tower cleared. 37 00:03:01,311 --> 00:03:02,573 [Bruce McCandless] Roger, roll. 38 00:03:07,709 --> 00:03:09,754 What does spaceflight do for people? 39 00:03:09,798 --> 00:03:12,148 It's a philosophical answer. 40 00:03:12,192 --> 00:03:17,632 It's exploration, it's the human spirit of going out there. 41 00:03:17,675 --> 00:03:22,245 [Bill Nye] The great thing we wanna know is, "Where do we fit in?" 42 00:03:22,289 --> 00:03:25,335 There's two questions that trouble us all 43 00:03:25,379 --> 00:03:27,468 at some point in our life. 44 00:03:27,511 --> 00:03:29,470 Where did we come from? 45 00:03:29,513 --> 00:03:31,079 And are we alone? 46 00:03:32,386 --> 00:03:33,909 Without the space program, 47 00:03:33,952 --> 00:03:38,087 our economy would be hurled 50 years back into the past. 48 00:03:38,130 --> 00:03:39,741 Think of it for a moment-- 49 00:03:39,784 --> 00:03:43,701 GPS, weather satellites, telecommunications, the Internet. 50 00:03:43,745 --> 00:03:45,399 [Bill] By the exploration of the moon, 51 00:03:45,442 --> 00:03:47,444 or by landing on the moon and walking around, 52 00:03:47,488 --> 00:03:50,578 that led to a space program, 53 00:03:50,621 --> 00:03:52,406 which led to Global Positioning Systems, 54 00:03:52,449 --> 00:03:55,452 which led to so-called space assets, 55 00:03:55,496 --> 00:03:58,281 which have affected everything. 56 00:03:58,325 --> 00:03:59,891 The reason to explore space 57 00:03:59,935 --> 00:04:04,331 is that it can boost our economy... period. 58 00:04:04,374 --> 00:04:08,596 It boosts our economy as it changes the culture. 59 00:04:08,639 --> 00:04:10,902 People think differently. 60 00:04:10,946 --> 00:04:13,949 Think about the future, think about inventing things. 61 00:04:13,992 --> 00:04:15,385 Think about making a better tomorrow, 62 00:04:15,429 --> 00:04:17,518 rather than just surviving the day. 63 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,128 [Bill] You go over the hill, 64 00:04:19,171 --> 00:04:20,956 you don't know what you're gonna find. 65 00:04:20,999 --> 00:04:22,392 And you're not gonna go over the hill 66 00:04:22,436 --> 00:04:24,220 unless you're curious about it. 67 00:04:26,614 --> 00:04:30,487 It transforms the intellectual outlook of a nation, 68 00:04:30,531 --> 00:04:34,883 when a nation embarks on something bold and audacious, 69 00:04:34,926 --> 00:04:39,148 such is going into deep space, as it did in the 1960s. 70 00:04:41,629 --> 00:04:44,414 [dramatic music] 71 00:04:46,068 --> 00:04:47,722 [Announcer] Today a new moon is in the sky, 72 00:04:47,765 --> 00:04:51,682 a 23-inch metal sphere placed in orbit by a Russian rocket. 73 00:04:51,726 --> 00:04:52,988 Here, an artist's conception 74 00:04:53,031 --> 00:04:54,424 of how the feat was accomplished. 75 00:04:54,468 --> 00:04:56,165 A three-stage rocket. Number one, 76 00:04:56,207 --> 00:04:59,124 the booster in the class of an intercontinental missile. 77 00:04:59,168 --> 00:05:01,431 Its weight estimated at 50 tons. 78 00:05:01,475 --> 00:05:04,913 A smaller second stage took over at 5,000 miles an hour 79 00:05:04,956 --> 00:05:07,219 and carried on to the highest point reached, 80 00:05:07,263 --> 00:05:09,831 500 miles up, the artificial moon is boosted 81 00:05:09,874 --> 00:05:11,398 to a speed counterbalancing 82 00:05:11,441 --> 00:05:14,183 the pull of gravity and released. 83 00:05:16,228 --> 00:05:18,492 You are hearing the actual signals transmitted 84 00:05:18,535 --> 00:05:20,537 by the Earth circling satellite, 85 00:05:20,581 --> 00:05:23,801 one of the great scientific feats of the age. 86 00:05:23,845 --> 00:05:27,762 [Neil] In 1957 Sputnik was launched. 87 00:05:27,805 --> 00:05:29,938 And if you ask me what drove the creation of NASA, 88 00:05:29,981 --> 00:05:32,114 it was the launching of Sputnik. 89 00:05:32,157 --> 00:05:33,768 The public often thinks of Sputnik as, 90 00:05:33,811 --> 00:05:36,814 "Oh, it's just an innocent little satellite that went beep." 91 00:05:36,858 --> 00:05:38,990 Let's part the curtains, and you find out 92 00:05:39,034 --> 00:05:41,689 this was the shell 93 00:05:41,732 --> 00:05:44,431 of an intercontinental ballistic missile 94 00:05:44,474 --> 00:05:46,607 that had been hollowed out 95 00:05:46,650 --> 00:05:49,261 and a radio transmitter put in the head. 96 00:05:49,305 --> 00:05:53,265 That's what was flying over our heads in America 97 00:05:53,308 --> 00:05:54,963 on October 4th, 1957. 98 00:05:56,399 --> 00:05:59,141 Spooked us to no end. 99 00:05:59,183 --> 00:06:02,144 No one said, "Oh, the frontier of exploration is breeched." 100 00:06:02,187 --> 00:06:05,626 No, it was, "The Soviet Union has the new high ground. 101 00:06:05,669 --> 00:06:07,932 "They are our sworn enemy. 102 00:06:07,976 --> 00:06:10,239 "We can't look bad in front of them. 103 00:06:10,282 --> 00:06:12,154 "We've gotta do it too. 104 00:06:12,197 --> 00:06:14,286 We need an agency to take care of this." 105 00:06:14,330 --> 00:06:16,680 A year later, NASA was founded. 106 00:06:18,334 --> 00:06:20,728 [Announcer] This special report brought to you by NASA, 107 00:06:20,771 --> 00:06:23,818 the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. 108 00:06:23,861 --> 00:06:25,515 What we had was something 109 00:06:25,559 --> 00:06:29,040 that had come out of a very can-do spirit, 110 00:06:29,084 --> 00:06:32,522 that came out of the spirit of winning World War II. 111 00:06:32,566 --> 00:06:35,656 It came out of the technology burst 112 00:06:35,699 --> 00:06:38,267 that was going on around the world at that time. 113 00:06:38,310 --> 00:06:41,009 It came out of the imaginations of people 114 00:06:41,052 --> 00:06:44,795 like Wernher Von Braun, Willy Ley, and Walt Disney. 115 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,146 In our modern world, everywhere we look, 116 00:06:48,190 --> 00:06:52,237 we see the influence science has upon our daily lives. 117 00:06:52,281 --> 00:06:54,196 Now here's a model, my design 118 00:06:54,239 --> 00:06:56,851 for a four-stage orbital rocket ship. 119 00:06:56,894 --> 00:06:58,461 It came out of the inspiration 120 00:06:58,505 --> 00:07:02,422 of people like Arthur C. Clarke, and Robert Heinlein, 121 00:07:02,465 --> 00:07:04,554 and Isaac Asimov, and Silverberg, 122 00:07:04,598 --> 00:07:06,600 and all the great science fiction writers of the time, 123 00:07:06,643 --> 00:07:09,385 who were inspiring children 124 00:07:09,429 --> 00:07:12,344 and all kinds of people in that realm. 125 00:07:12,388 --> 00:07:16,566 And then we had the spark that ignited that passion 126 00:07:16,610 --> 00:07:19,482 into a fire that was from Sputnik. 127 00:07:19,526 --> 00:07:21,136 [Michio] People said, "What happens 128 00:07:21,179 --> 00:07:23,573 "if there's a hydrogen bomb orbiting head? 129 00:07:23,617 --> 00:07:25,488 "If the Russians have the high ground, 130 00:07:25,532 --> 00:07:29,405 then we could be outmaneuvered in the next war." 131 00:07:30,406 --> 00:07:31,625 The United States too, 132 00:07:31,668 --> 00:07:33,627 promised to launch an Earth satellite, 133 00:07:33,670 --> 00:07:35,846 but in our satellite program, 134 00:07:35,890 --> 00:07:38,153 we Americans got badly bogged down. 135 00:07:38,196 --> 00:07:39,894 Why? What happened? 136 00:07:39,937 --> 00:07:41,722 We had the money, the resources, 137 00:07:41,765 --> 00:07:43,593 and the scientific know-how. 138 00:07:43,637 --> 00:07:46,596 Unfortunately, a series of wrong decisions 139 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,164 led us to frustration and failure. 140 00:07:49,207 --> 00:07:52,689 This order went out to the Armed Services. 141 00:07:52,733 --> 00:07:55,213 Let me read it to you. 142 00:07:55,257 --> 00:07:58,433 "Recent news stories which have described certain projects 143 00:07:58,478 --> 00:08:01,002 "as space flight projects 144 00:08:01,045 --> 00:08:03,395 "have resulted in unfavorable reaction 145 00:08:03,439 --> 00:08:07,182 "at Department of Defense and congressional levels. 146 00:08:07,225 --> 00:08:10,054 "In any speeches or public releases 147 00:08:10,098 --> 00:08:12,187 "planned by you or your staff, 148 00:08:12,230 --> 00:08:16,582 "avoid the mention or the discussion of space, 149 00:08:16,626 --> 00:08:20,238 space technology, and space vehicles." 150 00:08:21,762 --> 00:08:24,416 And so, by the summer of 1957, 151 00:08:24,460 --> 00:08:28,332 "space" had become a forbidden word in Washington. 152 00:08:28,377 --> 00:08:30,684 In totally realistic terms, 153 00:08:30,727 --> 00:08:34,164 Von Braun could've had us there in 1950. 154 00:08:34,209 --> 00:08:36,341 We need to understand, 155 00:08:36,385 --> 00:08:40,389 we would have launched a satellite in 1950. 156 00:08:40,432 --> 00:08:44,044 The reason we did not is because we didn't wish to. 157 00:08:44,087 --> 00:08:47,396 [Michio] Panic set in, and after that people said, "Okay, 158 00:08:47,439 --> 00:08:50,268 let's regroup, let's do something." 159 00:08:50,312 --> 00:08:54,055 It was your patriotic duty to become a physicist, 160 00:08:54,098 --> 00:08:56,057 a chemist, a mathematician. 161 00:08:56,100 --> 00:08:58,886 It was for America and for freedom 162 00:08:58,929 --> 00:09:02,324 that people said, "Yes, I wanna to become a cold war hero 163 00:09:02,367 --> 00:09:04,892 for their freedom and for liberty." 164 00:09:04,935 --> 00:09:08,765 The history of human reaction... 165 00:09:08,809 --> 00:09:12,943 to the threat of death knows no bounds... 166 00:09:14,205 --> 00:09:16,207 and knowing no bounds includes 167 00:09:16,251 --> 00:09:19,471 birthing an entire space program 168 00:09:19,515 --> 00:09:21,517 for the purpose of showing the world 169 00:09:21,561 --> 00:09:25,608 that we will not be bested by evil godless Communists. 170 00:09:25,652 --> 00:09:29,307 Such was the mood and the attitude in the 1950s. 171 00:09:29,351 --> 00:09:31,788 [Narrator] Man had his first great success in space 172 00:09:31,832 --> 00:09:34,443 when the Russians pushed a man across the threshold. 173 00:09:34,486 --> 00:09:35,966 He was Yuri Gagarin, 174 00:09:36,010 --> 00:09:37,925 the astronaut the Russians lionized 175 00:09:37,968 --> 00:09:39,709 as the first to orbit the Earth. 176 00:09:39,753 --> 00:09:42,843 It was the propaganda coup of the year. 177 00:09:42,886 --> 00:09:44,758 [crowd cheering and applauding] 178 00:09:44,801 --> 00:09:45,802 Thank you. 179 00:09:51,373 --> 00:09:53,810 "But why," some say, "the moon? 180 00:09:53,854 --> 00:09:56,813 Why choose this as our goal?" 181 00:09:56,857 --> 00:10:01,296 And they may well ask, "Why climb the highest mountain? 182 00:10:01,339 --> 00:10:04,952 "Why, 35 years ago, fly the Atlantic? 183 00:10:04,995 --> 00:10:07,389 Why does Rice play Texas?" 184 00:10:07,432 --> 00:10:10,174 We choose to go to the moon. 185 00:10:10,218 --> 00:10:12,612 We choose to go to the moon. 186 00:10:18,008 --> 00:10:20,837 We choose to go to the moon in this decade 187 00:10:20,881 --> 00:10:24,406 and do the other things, not because they are easy, 188 00:10:24,449 --> 00:10:26,495 but because they are hard, 189 00:10:26,538 --> 00:10:30,891 because that goal will serve to organize and measure 190 00:10:30,934 --> 00:10:33,807 the best of our energies and skills, 191 00:10:33,850 --> 00:10:35,939 because that challenge is one 192 00:10:35,983 --> 00:10:38,028 that we're willing to accept, 193 00:10:38,072 --> 00:10:40,944 one we are unwilling to postpone, 194 00:10:40,988 --> 00:10:42,772 and one we intend to win. 195 00:10:42,816 --> 00:10:46,689 [Gene Kranz] At the time that President Kennedy made his speech, 196 00:10:46,733 --> 00:10:49,431 we had never been to orbit. 197 00:10:49,474 --> 00:10:54,001 Just a little bit over a week before the Kennedy speech 198 00:10:54,044 --> 00:10:55,655 to the US Congress, 199 00:10:55,698 --> 00:10:57,395 we had launched Alan Shepard. 200 00:10:57,439 --> 00:10:59,136 [Launch Control] Lift off. 201 00:10:59,180 --> 00:11:01,443 [Alan Shepard] Ahh, Roger, liftoff and the clock is started. 202 00:11:01,486 --> 00:11:03,010 [Gene] We'd never been to orbit, 203 00:11:03,053 --> 00:11:05,795 and we were challenged to beat the Russians to the moon. 204 00:11:05,839 --> 00:11:08,145 So, to a great extent that initial challenge 205 00:11:08,189 --> 00:11:11,018 was one that I believe was geopolitical, 206 00:11:11,061 --> 00:11:13,673 but it also had the economic benefit 207 00:11:13,716 --> 00:11:16,414 to basically generate the enthusiasm 208 00:11:16,458 --> 00:11:19,679 and the passion within the American public. 209 00:11:19,722 --> 00:11:24,553 -[engines roaring] -[inspirational music] 210 00:11:37,218 --> 00:11:40,961 The spur to education-- very, very important. 211 00:11:41,004 --> 00:11:43,615 I think that's almost as significant 212 00:11:43,659 --> 00:11:46,749 as our actual flights themselves, 213 00:11:46,793 --> 00:11:49,143 because it gave all the young people 214 00:11:49,186 --> 00:11:52,146 something to look forward to, and excitement, 215 00:11:52,189 --> 00:11:54,757 something that they could live up to. 216 00:11:54,801 --> 00:11:57,978 Every day, I meet people now in their 50s, 217 00:11:58,021 --> 00:12:01,459 who said, "Look, when I was a little kid, you know, 218 00:12:01,503 --> 00:12:03,723 you inspired me to become an engineer," 219 00:12:03,766 --> 00:12:06,464 or become a scientist, to becoming a doctor, 220 00:12:06,508 --> 00:12:09,467 and that gives me a sort of a sense of satisfaction 221 00:12:09,511 --> 00:12:12,993 that I was in a program that helped other people 222 00:12:13,036 --> 00:12:15,256 form good careers. 223 00:12:15,299 --> 00:12:19,042 [engines roaring to life] 224 00:12:20,957 --> 00:12:23,917 [dramatic music] 225 00:12:36,930 --> 00:12:41,673 I think one of the greatest moments of the last century 226 00:12:41,717 --> 00:12:44,502 in the space program was the flight of Apollo 8. 227 00:12:44,546 --> 00:12:45,677 I was on that flight. 228 00:12:47,636 --> 00:12:49,725 At the time that we did it, 229 00:12:49,769 --> 00:12:53,511 I don't think we fully understood the significance 230 00:12:53,555 --> 00:12:56,297 of the very first flight to the moon, 231 00:12:56,340 --> 00:12:59,039 the whole 240,000 miles. 232 00:12:59,082 --> 00:13:01,650 We were the pathfinders, we didn't land, 233 00:13:01,693 --> 00:13:05,132 but we checked the navigation, checked the communication, 234 00:13:05,175 --> 00:13:08,004 circled the moon and looked at the far side, 235 00:13:08,048 --> 00:13:11,138 the side that we never see from the Earth. 236 00:13:11,181 --> 00:13:14,097 [ominous music] 237 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,683 We brought back with us a photograph 238 00:13:34,726 --> 00:13:36,772 of the Earth from the moon... 239 00:13:38,078 --> 00:13:40,776 we called "Earthrise," 240 00:13:40,820 --> 00:13:44,040 which I think in just one picture 241 00:13:44,084 --> 00:13:49,437 told us how insignificant we all are here on Earth. 242 00:13:51,178 --> 00:13:54,921 The Earth is merely a small planet... 243 00:13:54,964 --> 00:13:57,575 that just so happened to be at the right distance 244 00:13:57,619 --> 00:14:00,404 and the right mass to sustain life... 245 00:14:01,841 --> 00:14:03,755 going around a rather normal star, 246 00:14:03,799 --> 00:14:08,238 and that star is in the outer edge of a galaxy 247 00:14:08,282 --> 00:14:10,110 called the Milky Way, 248 00:14:10,153 --> 00:14:15,506 just one of millions of galaxies in our universe. 249 00:14:16,725 --> 00:14:20,163 And maybe, just for a small amount of time 250 00:14:20,207 --> 00:14:25,560 in December of 1968, everyone kind of felt a closeness 251 00:14:25,603 --> 00:14:28,084 that we had not felt before. 252 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,218 For the first time in history today, 253 00:14:31,261 --> 00:14:35,222 man got a long distance live view of the planet he lives on, 254 00:14:35,265 --> 00:14:38,138 transmitted and described by the first three human beings 255 00:14:38,181 --> 00:14:39,922 to travel to the moon. 256 00:14:39,966 --> 00:14:41,097 The Apollo 8 astronauts 257 00:14:41,141 --> 00:14:43,186 sent back those pictures this afternoon, 258 00:14:43,230 --> 00:14:47,103 and we'll have more along with the full story later in this broadcast. 259 00:14:47,147 --> 00:14:48,800 I think what happened 260 00:14:48,844 --> 00:14:52,935 was Kennedy wanting to demonstrate to the Soviets 261 00:14:52,979 --> 00:14:55,459 that we were the biggest, baddest kids on the block, 262 00:14:55,503 --> 00:14:56,939 that our technology will kick 263 00:14:56,983 --> 00:14:59,507 your technology's ass any time. 264 00:14:59,550 --> 00:15:02,466 And it worked, and it was glorious, 265 00:15:02,510 --> 00:15:06,296 but it wasn't sustainable because it was a crisis project. 266 00:15:06,340 --> 00:15:08,908 [Neil] If it was actually about exploration 267 00:15:08,951 --> 00:15:12,346 and about the scientific frontier being pushed outward, 268 00:15:12,389 --> 00:15:14,522 if it were actually about that, 269 00:15:14,565 --> 00:15:16,393 maybe we would have had a scientist 270 00:15:16,437 --> 00:15:18,308 on the first mission to the moon. 271 00:15:18,352 --> 00:15:20,920 But no, there was no scientist on Apollo 11, 272 00:15:20,963 --> 00:15:23,270 nor on Apollo 12, or Apollo 13, 273 00:15:23,313 --> 00:15:27,535 or Apollo 14, or Apollo 15, or Apollo 16. 274 00:15:27,578 --> 00:15:31,669 The first scientist was on Apollo 17, 275 00:15:31,713 --> 00:15:35,630 and Apollo 17 was the last mission to the moon. 276 00:15:35,673 --> 00:15:38,546 There was not a statement made 277 00:15:38,589 --> 00:15:40,417 that we're gonna go to the moon 278 00:15:40,461 --> 00:15:42,767 and establish a human community. 279 00:15:42,811 --> 00:15:44,639 We're not gonna go to, you know, 280 00:15:44,682 --> 00:15:46,510 the moon and then on to Mars. 281 00:15:46,554 --> 00:15:49,209 We're not gonna go do this and then that. 282 00:15:49,252 --> 00:15:53,213 It was simply, "We're going to put a human being on the moon." 283 00:15:53,256 --> 00:15:54,954 And we achieved it. 284 00:15:56,346 --> 00:15:58,218 Do you wish 285 00:15:58,261 --> 00:16:01,003 that the first Apollo Mission hadn't reached the moon? 286 00:16:01,047 --> 00:16:02,178 Or that we hadn't gone on to Mars 287 00:16:02,222 --> 00:16:04,267 and then to the nearest star? 288 00:16:04,311 --> 00:16:06,008 That's like saying you wish 289 00:16:06,052 --> 00:16:08,706 that you still operated with scalpels, 290 00:16:08,750 --> 00:16:11,100 and sewed your patients up with catgut, 291 00:16:11,144 --> 00:16:15,322 like your great-great-great- great-grandfather used to. 292 00:16:15,365 --> 00:16:19,021 Ever since the time of Sputnik and President Kennedy, 293 00:16:19,065 --> 00:16:21,589 I think our dedication to the space program 294 00:16:21,632 --> 00:16:24,026 has been high, higher than most countries. 295 00:16:24,070 --> 00:16:26,333 And I feel like, probably over the past decade, 296 00:16:26,376 --> 00:16:28,248 it's waned significantly. 297 00:16:28,291 --> 00:16:30,685 I feel like we should be doing more in space 298 00:16:30,728 --> 00:16:32,426 'cause I think there's a lot of learning to be done 299 00:16:32,469 --> 00:16:34,167 as far as vaccines and a lot of things 300 00:16:34,210 --> 00:16:35,864 that can help the American people, 301 00:16:35,907 --> 00:16:37,300 even though it's not a sexy program 302 00:16:37,344 --> 00:16:38,954 like it used to be with the moon landing. 303 00:16:38,998 --> 00:16:41,652 I think it's more important now than it has been in decades. 304 00:16:41,696 --> 00:16:45,047 I know that it's not really doing much anymore 305 00:16:45,091 --> 00:16:48,050 since the Space Shuttle program was closed down, 306 00:16:48,094 --> 00:16:50,270 so I don't know what they're up to. 307 00:16:50,313 --> 00:16:52,359 Be cool if they were doing something soon. 308 00:16:52,402 --> 00:16:54,665 You know, when I see them building robots, you know, 309 00:16:54,709 --> 00:16:57,538 to go on Mars, or I see what the Rover, Curiosity, 310 00:16:57,581 --> 00:17:02,151 Opportunity, and Spirits are doing, we basically just-- 311 00:17:02,195 --> 00:17:04,066 it excites me to know that we're doing that. 312 00:17:05,546 --> 00:17:08,636 To me, a culture that's not doing that is stagnant, 313 00:17:08,679 --> 00:17:11,160 and a culture that is doing that is progressive 314 00:17:11,204 --> 00:17:13,771 and moving forward in a positive direction. 315 00:17:13,815 --> 00:17:15,598 Back in the '60s when we first, you know, 316 00:17:15,643 --> 00:17:17,862 when the space program was in full swing, 317 00:17:17,906 --> 00:17:19,690 I fully expected us to have colonies 318 00:17:19,733 --> 00:17:21,170 on the moon by this time. 319 00:17:21,214 --> 00:17:22,301 Where are they? 320 00:17:24,173 --> 00:17:26,306 I'm disappointed to see that we're-- 321 00:17:26,348 --> 00:17:29,265 that we're not putting more effort into something like that. 322 00:17:29,309 --> 00:17:32,051 I think it's just absolutely essential 323 00:17:32,094 --> 00:17:35,793 that we maintain this program and advance it. 324 00:17:36,968 --> 00:17:39,101 All those who think it's a problem 325 00:17:39,145 --> 00:17:41,190 that we haven't been outside of low Earth orbit 326 00:17:41,234 --> 00:17:44,106 for four decades can only say so 327 00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:46,891 because they think that going to the moon 328 00:17:46,935 --> 00:17:49,503 was the first step of this great adventure 329 00:17:49,546 --> 00:17:51,200 where we explore space, 330 00:17:51,244 --> 00:17:52,680 and somehow we've failed 331 00:17:52,723 --> 00:17:56,031 on the expectations we had for ourselves. 332 00:17:56,075 --> 00:17:58,512 But once you realize we went because we were at war... 333 00:18:00,253 --> 00:18:01,819 and then they're not going to the moon, 334 00:18:01,863 --> 00:18:03,647 they're not going to Mars, and the Cold War's over... 335 00:18:05,345 --> 00:18:06,955 what's your motivation? 336 00:18:08,478 --> 00:18:11,133 [Announcer] The moon, a lonely world 337 00:18:11,177 --> 00:18:12,961 in the absence of man. 338 00:18:14,397 --> 00:18:17,139 But here we have left our mark, 339 00:18:17,183 --> 00:18:21,100 a signature attesting a legacy to future generations. 340 00:18:22,753 --> 00:18:27,106 We stood on the shoulders of giants and touched the moon. 341 00:18:29,891 --> 00:18:33,024 [John Logsdon] The decision what to do after Apollo 342 00:18:33,068 --> 00:18:36,506 was driven by desire to limit NASA spending... 343 00:18:37,725 --> 00:18:40,858 to only a fraction of what it had been 344 00:18:40,902 --> 00:18:43,252 at the height of the Apollo program. 345 00:18:43,296 --> 00:18:47,082 And in order to reach that lower budget, 346 00:18:47,126 --> 00:18:50,433 you couldn't continue to use Saturn V's. 347 00:18:50,477 --> 00:18:52,653 They were too expensive per launch, 348 00:18:52,696 --> 00:18:54,611 so the program devolved back 349 00:18:54,655 --> 00:18:57,484 into a low Earth orbit program. 350 00:18:57,527 --> 00:18:59,181 Senator Edward Kennedy urged today 351 00:18:59,225 --> 00:19:01,879 that spending on the space program be cut back 352 00:19:01,923 --> 00:19:04,447 after the goals set for exploring the moon 353 00:19:04,491 --> 00:19:05,796 have been achieved. 354 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,798 Senator Kennedy said a substantial portion 355 00:19:07,842 --> 00:19:10,192 of the space budget should be diverted 356 00:19:10,236 --> 00:19:12,977 to what he called "pressing problems here at home." 357 00:19:13,021 --> 00:19:16,329 Going into outer space is very expensive. 358 00:19:16,372 --> 00:19:20,420 It costs $10,000 to put a pound of anything 359 00:19:20,463 --> 00:19:22,509 just into near-earth orbit. 360 00:19:22,552 --> 00:19:24,685 That your weight in gold. 361 00:19:24,728 --> 00:19:29,559 Now, to put you on the moon cost about $100,000 a pound, 362 00:19:29,603 --> 00:19:31,648 and to put you on Mars 363 00:19:31,692 --> 00:19:35,086 would cost over a million dollars a pound. 364 00:19:35,130 --> 00:19:38,394 That is your weight in diamonds. 365 00:19:38,438 --> 00:19:41,832 Back in a 1960s, the great superpowers didn't care, 366 00:19:41,876 --> 00:19:44,531 spending so much money on the Space Race, 367 00:19:44,574 --> 00:19:46,968 because it was a matter of national pride 368 00:19:47,011 --> 00:19:48,448 and national security. 369 00:19:48,491 --> 00:19:50,363 But now that the Cold War is over, 370 00:19:50,406 --> 00:19:52,800 the great powers are not willing to spend 371 00:19:52,843 --> 00:19:55,237 so much of their National Treasure, 372 00:19:55,281 --> 00:19:58,153 because national pride and national security 373 00:19:58,197 --> 00:20:00,503 are no longer at stake. 374 00:20:00,547 --> 00:20:04,551 Imagine if you and I climbed in a plane right now 375 00:20:04,594 --> 00:20:07,989 and wanted to fly to New York City and back. 376 00:20:08,032 --> 00:20:10,731 And along the way, 377 00:20:10,774 --> 00:20:14,300 all of its pieces are gonna be thrown away, 378 00:20:14,343 --> 00:20:16,345 so that when you arrive in New York, 379 00:20:16,389 --> 00:20:19,130 if you make it at all, 380 00:20:19,174 --> 00:20:22,438 you'll arrive in a little capsule and land. 381 00:20:22,482 --> 00:20:25,398 Now, the only way you get to come back 382 00:20:25,441 --> 00:20:28,662 is for them to rebuild the entire rocket 383 00:20:28,705 --> 00:20:31,534 upon which that original capsule stood, 384 00:20:31,578 --> 00:20:33,232 climb in it and fly back, and by the way, 385 00:20:33,275 --> 00:20:35,930 you're gonna throw all the pieces away again. 386 00:20:35,973 --> 00:20:38,106 What that pretty well assures you 387 00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:42,110 is that very, very few people are gonna make that trip. 388 00:20:42,153 --> 00:20:45,156 [upbeat rock music] 389 00:20:46,897 --> 00:20:48,377 [Mission Control] Stage two, clear. 390 00:20:48,421 --> 00:20:50,031 [Narrator] If all goes according to schedule, 391 00:20:50,074 --> 00:20:52,729 scenes like this, a reusable Space Shuttle 392 00:20:52,773 --> 00:20:55,079 making its final approach to land, 393 00:20:55,123 --> 00:20:57,647 will be a common sight beginning next fall. 394 00:20:57,691 --> 00:21:01,477 The Space Shuttle was promised to us in the '70s 395 00:21:01,521 --> 00:21:07,396 as a vehicle that would fly over 50 times a year. 396 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,442 The Shuttle was gonna bring the cost 397 00:21:09,485 --> 00:21:13,272 of going into orbit down to $100 a pound. 398 00:21:13,315 --> 00:21:14,882 [Announcer] It looks like a jet plane, 399 00:21:14,925 --> 00:21:16,449 will lift off like a rocket, 400 00:21:16,492 --> 00:21:18,799 and will return like a glider, 401 00:21:18,842 --> 00:21:22,585 commuting to space every two weeks is the plan. 402 00:21:22,629 --> 00:21:24,631 If you measure it by that metric, 403 00:21:24,674 --> 00:21:27,938 the program was a complete and utter failure. 404 00:21:27,982 --> 00:21:32,639 -[dramatic music] -[engines roaring to life] 405 00:21:35,946 --> 00:21:39,559 [Story] The basic drivers were low cost, reliable, reusable. 406 00:21:39,602 --> 00:21:41,604 Let's call it a space bus. 407 00:21:41,648 --> 00:21:45,129 That was the motivation in 1969-- a bus, 408 00:21:45,173 --> 00:21:47,306 up and down under all conditions. 409 00:21:47,349 --> 00:21:49,264 And the Shuttle program did not turn out 410 00:21:49,308 --> 00:21:50,613 the way it was supposed to. 411 00:21:50,657 --> 00:21:52,267 It was supposed to be $10 million a flight, 412 00:21:52,311 --> 00:21:55,139 and ended up $1.2 billion a flight, 413 00:21:55,183 --> 00:21:58,360 so you know it missed by 1200 times over. 414 00:21:58,404 --> 00:22:01,972 The Shuttle is kind of all things to all people. 415 00:22:02,016 --> 00:22:04,932 Originally, from NASA's point of view, 416 00:22:04,975 --> 00:22:06,629 it was going to be a supply vehicle 417 00:22:06,673 --> 00:22:09,110 to go to a large space station. 418 00:22:09,153 --> 00:22:14,028 And NASA in 1969 proposed building the Space Station 419 00:22:14,071 --> 00:22:16,857 and having it supplied by the Shuttle. 420 00:22:16,900 --> 00:22:21,252 The Nixon Administration decided not to approve a station, 421 00:22:21,296 --> 00:22:25,779 and so the rationale for a shuttle had to become reinvented, 422 00:22:25,822 --> 00:22:28,564 and it became a launch vehicle for everything. 423 00:22:28,608 --> 00:22:30,610 [Reporter] That's the theory of Dr. John Logsdon, 424 00:22:30,653 --> 00:22:33,656 a George Washington University Political Science professor, 425 00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:36,180 who has written extensively on the space program 426 00:22:36,224 --> 00:22:37,747 for the last dozen years. 427 00:22:37,791 --> 00:22:40,489 NASA so get used to the luxury of the extra money, 428 00:22:40,533 --> 00:22:42,491 the public attention, 429 00:22:42,535 --> 00:22:45,407 the importance to the general public 430 00:22:45,451 --> 00:22:46,713 that came with Apollo, 431 00:22:46,756 --> 00:22:48,367 and the excitement and the challenge, 432 00:22:48,410 --> 00:22:49,759 and wanted to do it again. 433 00:22:49,803 --> 00:22:51,587 What do we need a Space Shuttle for? 434 00:22:51,631 --> 00:22:53,241 Or a Space Station? 435 00:22:53,284 --> 00:22:56,026 Well, some people said that we need a Space Station 436 00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:58,986 to be the terminus for the Space Shuttle. 437 00:22:59,029 --> 00:23:01,380 Well, then why do we need a Space Shuttle? 438 00:23:01,423 --> 00:23:04,208 To be the way to reach the Space Station. 439 00:23:04,252 --> 00:23:07,037 Now, I think that's a bit circular, isn't it? 440 00:23:07,081 --> 00:23:08,561 [Logsdon] You know, at first, you look 441 00:23:08,604 --> 00:23:10,040 at the space program, "Oh, that's so cool. 442 00:23:10,084 --> 00:23:11,520 The Space Shuttle, that's amazing." 443 00:23:11,564 --> 00:23:13,043 Then you know, "This is great," 444 00:23:13,087 --> 00:23:16,046 and then you really look at it and you realize, 445 00:23:16,090 --> 00:23:19,354 "Hold it, they're not going anywhere. 446 00:23:19,398 --> 00:23:21,138 They're not doing anything." 447 00:23:21,182 --> 00:23:22,705 [Reporter] John Logsdon says the Shuttle 448 00:23:22,749 --> 00:23:24,620 could turn out to be a classic mistake. 449 00:23:24,664 --> 00:23:26,274 It's a pretty good space truck 450 00:23:26,317 --> 00:23:27,536 for taking things up and down, 451 00:23:27,580 --> 00:23:30,278 but for doing anything once you're in orbit, 452 00:23:30,321 --> 00:23:33,412 it's a very inflexible and underpowered vehicle. 453 00:23:33,455 --> 00:23:35,196 The Shuttle is the most complex space vehicle 454 00:23:35,239 --> 00:23:36,632 man has ever built. 455 00:23:36,676 --> 00:23:39,243 It is a result of nine years of compromise, 456 00:23:39,287 --> 00:23:41,724 negotiation, and cost overruns. 457 00:23:41,768 --> 00:23:44,727 Soon, we'll begin to find out if it was all worth it. 458 00:23:44,771 --> 00:23:47,600 John Danzing, NBC News, at Kennedy Space Center. 459 00:23:47,643 --> 00:23:49,993 So, the shuttle was designed to be reusable, 460 00:23:50,037 --> 00:23:52,648 and therefore much less expensive, 461 00:23:52,692 --> 00:23:56,652 and in the end there was no way to maintain the flight rate 462 00:23:56,696 --> 00:23:58,611 that was projected for it. 463 00:23:58,654 --> 00:24:02,441 It just didn't work out that way because it was too complex, 464 00:24:02,484 --> 00:24:04,878 too expensive, and then we had the accidents. 465 00:24:04,921 --> 00:24:07,968 [somber music] 466 00:24:13,626 --> 00:24:14,975 It is the worst disaster in the history 467 00:24:15,018 --> 00:24:16,498 of the American Space Program, 468 00:24:16,542 --> 00:24:18,674 and President Reagan has declared a week of mourning 469 00:24:18,718 --> 00:24:22,548 for the seven astronauts, five men and two women 470 00:24:22,591 --> 00:24:25,681 who lost their lives on their way into space this morning. 471 00:24:25,725 --> 00:24:29,642 Yeah, the Challenger really changed everything. 472 00:24:29,685 --> 00:24:32,819 It was one of the-- it was a priority in the nation 473 00:24:32,862 --> 00:24:35,343 to get every payload onto the Shuttle, 474 00:24:35,386 --> 00:24:36,910 to get it's usage up, 475 00:24:36,953 --> 00:24:39,652 to make sure it's utilization was as high as it could be. 476 00:24:39,695 --> 00:24:41,523 There was a lot of attention focused on it. 477 00:24:41,567 --> 00:24:43,743 It was a terrible tragedy replayed over 478 00:24:43,786 --> 00:24:46,006 and over again on television. 479 00:24:46,049 --> 00:24:47,573 And, there had sort of been a feeling 480 00:24:47,616 --> 00:24:48,965 in the space community 481 00:24:49,009 --> 00:24:51,751 that if there was a tragic accident with a Shuttle, 482 00:24:51,794 --> 00:24:53,622 it would never fly again. 483 00:24:53,666 --> 00:24:55,668 There was 32 months, I think it was, 484 00:24:55,711 --> 00:24:57,496 before another Space Shuttle flew, 485 00:24:57,539 --> 00:25:00,063 but there were changes, considerable changes 486 00:25:00,107 --> 00:25:03,414 to the nature of the Space Shuttle program after that. 487 00:25:03,458 --> 00:25:06,069 For example, originally the Shuttle was gonna be launching 488 00:25:06,113 --> 00:25:07,549 just about every satellite 489 00:25:07,593 --> 00:25:09,551 that the United States wanted to put up. 490 00:25:09,595 --> 00:25:12,989 Instead they said that, "No, you are only gonna use this 491 00:25:13,033 --> 00:25:15,644 "for things you really need to have people involved in. 492 00:25:15,688 --> 00:25:17,124 "If you can just launch it on a rocket, 493 00:25:17,167 --> 00:25:18,517 "launch it on a rocket. 494 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,257 You don't need to launch it on the Space Shuttle." 495 00:25:20,301 --> 00:25:22,216 [Rick] To take these highly skilled 496 00:25:22,259 --> 00:25:24,784 amazing people called astronauts, 497 00:25:24,827 --> 00:25:28,091 and put them in charge of driving this truck 498 00:25:28,135 --> 00:25:31,051 around in circles in orbit 499 00:25:31,094 --> 00:25:34,924 instead of doing something really exciting and important-- 500 00:25:34,968 --> 00:25:37,144 you know, that's where the problems came from, 501 00:25:37,187 --> 00:25:39,886 and that came from a lack of leadership 502 00:25:39,929 --> 00:25:41,931 down the street from NASA, 503 00:25:41,975 --> 00:25:44,064 you know, in Congress and in the White House. 504 00:25:48,634 --> 00:25:50,113 The Shuttle did mature us, though. 505 00:25:50,157 --> 00:25:53,726 It was so difficult-- new scientists, new technology, 506 00:25:53,769 --> 00:25:56,163 so difficult to operate. It made us good. 507 00:25:56,206 --> 00:25:58,513 We had to be good to operate that system, 508 00:25:58,557 --> 00:26:00,167 but at the end of the Shuttle program, 509 00:26:00,210 --> 00:26:02,909 we are a massively good spacefaring nation. 510 00:26:02,952 --> 00:26:06,565 We, the US now, we're fantastic now, we are good now. 511 00:26:06,608 --> 00:26:09,437 We are excellent in the spacefaring business. 512 00:26:11,004 --> 00:26:14,529 The difficulty of the Shuttle made us good, 513 00:26:14,573 --> 00:26:16,923 but after that, the Space Station, 514 00:26:16,966 --> 00:26:19,752 was a massive strategic error. 515 00:26:20,796 --> 00:26:23,582 [ethereal music] 516 00:26:31,198 --> 00:26:33,374 [Announcer] Skylab was the first test of our ability 517 00:26:33,417 --> 00:26:34,897 to endure weightlessness, 518 00:26:34,941 --> 00:26:37,378 and astronauts found that they could effectively work, 519 00:26:37,421 --> 00:26:41,948 exercise, eat, and sleep in their temporary home. 520 00:26:41,991 --> 00:26:43,906 More recently, the Space Shuttle has allowed us 521 00:26:43,950 --> 00:26:47,649 to fly into orbit, conduct our business, and return. 522 00:26:47,693 --> 00:26:49,346 In addition to providing a laboratory 523 00:26:49,390 --> 00:26:51,958 for carrying out experiments in microgravity, 524 00:26:52,001 --> 00:26:53,612 the Shuttle has also benefited us 525 00:26:53,655 --> 00:26:55,483 commercially and scientifically 526 00:26:55,526 --> 00:26:58,529 through the deployment and capture of satellites. 527 00:27:00,706 --> 00:27:03,578 But, the Shuttle was designed with a larger goal in mind, 528 00:27:03,622 --> 00:27:05,580 to transport astronauts and materials 529 00:27:05,624 --> 00:27:09,802 to a proposed base, a permanent manned Space Station. 530 00:27:11,891 --> 00:27:16,983 Space Station was NASA's primary objective after Apollo. 531 00:27:17,026 --> 00:27:19,289 What NASA hoped to get approved 532 00:27:19,333 --> 00:27:22,771 was a 12-person Space Station launched by Saturn V, 533 00:27:22,815 --> 00:27:28,211 and supplied by the Shuttle in the '69-'70 period. 534 00:27:28,255 --> 00:27:31,780 The White House did not approve that program, 535 00:27:31,824 --> 00:27:34,696 and instead we went ahead with the Space Shuttle, 536 00:27:34,740 --> 00:27:36,219 but the shuttle was designed 537 00:27:36,263 --> 00:27:38,787 to launch modules of the Space Station. 538 00:27:38,831 --> 00:27:42,095 It was clear in 1971 or '72 539 00:27:42,138 --> 00:27:44,445 that, once the shuttle started flying, 540 00:27:44,488 --> 00:27:46,534 NASA would go back and ask approval 541 00:27:46,577 --> 00:27:48,754 -to develop the Space Station. -[Mission Control] We have lift off. 542 00:27:48,797 --> 00:27:51,974 [Logsdon] And indeed they did that in 1983, 543 00:27:52,018 --> 00:27:53,933 and finally President Reagan 544 00:27:53,976 --> 00:27:55,891 announced approval of the Space Station 545 00:27:55,935 --> 00:27:59,721 in the State of the Union Address in January of '84. 546 00:27:59,765 --> 00:28:01,941 Tonight I am directing NASA 547 00:28:01,984 --> 00:28:03,856 to develop a permanently manned Space Station 548 00:28:03,899 --> 00:28:06,902 and to do it within a decade. 549 00:28:06,946 --> 00:28:08,861 [Reporter] Despite problems with recent missions, 550 00:28:08,904 --> 00:28:10,340 NASA is still pushing hard 551 00:28:10,384 --> 00:28:12,734 for a permanent Space Station someday. 552 00:28:12,778 --> 00:28:14,388 [Announcer] Many scientists and politicians 553 00:28:14,431 --> 00:28:15,737 say it is not clear what purpose 554 00:28:15,781 --> 00:28:17,870 the Space Station is supposed to serve. 555 00:28:17,913 --> 00:28:19,306 We're doing it backwards. 556 00:28:19,349 --> 00:28:20,916 We're saying, "We're gonna have a station. 557 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,005 And by the way, what can you do if you have a station?" 558 00:28:23,049 --> 00:28:25,181 [Miochi] Yes, it cost $100 billion. 559 00:28:25,225 --> 00:28:27,836 Yes, it's a cooperative effort of many nations, 560 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,796 but a lot of the Space Station I think was wasteful, 561 00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:33,755 because the science done on the Space Station 562 00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:35,322 was actually minimal. 563 00:28:35,365 --> 00:28:39,021 [Story] Skylab, '72 was a massively successful station. 564 00:28:39,065 --> 00:28:41,067 It already had 200 experiments built in. 565 00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:42,895 All those things matured us, 566 00:28:42,938 --> 00:28:47,769 in terms of on-orbit space ops and long-term space flight. 567 00:28:47,813 --> 00:28:49,684 We already did that. 568 00:28:49,728 --> 00:28:52,252 See, I'm not criticizing Space Station. 569 00:28:52,295 --> 00:28:54,515 What I'm saying is, what does Space Station 570 00:28:54,558 --> 00:28:56,691 do for the man on the street? 571 00:28:56,735 --> 00:28:58,301 They don't know. 572 00:28:59,346 --> 00:29:01,261 Go out and ask them. 573 00:29:01,304 --> 00:29:03,002 I honestly don't know, 574 00:29:03,045 --> 00:29:05,961 and they make no effort to tell normal people, 575 00:29:06,005 --> 00:29:08,050 so I mean I don't actually-- 576 00:29:08,094 --> 00:29:09,835 I don't know what's going on at all. 577 00:29:09,878 --> 00:29:11,488 Yeah, I really don't know what they're doing. 578 00:29:11,532 --> 00:29:13,012 They don't really say anything. 579 00:29:13,055 --> 00:29:15,101 All you hear is they bring supplies back and forth, 580 00:29:15,144 --> 00:29:18,495 so I mean what is the object of it? 581 00:29:18,539 --> 00:29:21,542 I have no idea what they'd be doing up there, honestly. 582 00:29:21,585 --> 00:29:23,762 I don't pay that much attention to this kind of stuff. 583 00:29:23,805 --> 00:29:25,328 [Reporter] Okay. 584 00:29:25,372 --> 00:29:27,330 -Unfortunately, we don't know. -[Woman] Not now. Not now. 585 00:29:27,374 --> 00:29:28,941 -Not now, nope. -Yeah. 586 00:29:28,984 --> 00:29:32,379 If you have a program which costs $150 billion, 587 00:29:32,422 --> 00:29:34,033 and you ask the person on the street 588 00:29:34,076 --> 00:29:37,079 what are you getting for this and they don't know, 589 00:29:37,123 --> 00:29:39,516 you've missed the vision, sir. 590 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,823 [Marcia] We actually didn't finish building the Space Station 591 00:29:41,867 --> 00:29:45,566 until 2010. It was supposed to be done in 1994. 592 00:29:45,609 --> 00:29:47,873 Well, it did in fact basically suck the life 593 00:29:47,916 --> 00:29:50,397 out of the human spaceflight program for 25 years, 594 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,139 and so it was very hard to get approval 595 00:29:53,182 --> 00:29:57,839 for new things going forward, not that people didn't try. 596 00:29:57,883 --> 00:29:59,798 We must commit ourselves anew 597 00:29:59,841 --> 00:30:03,149 to a sustained program of manned exploration 598 00:30:03,192 --> 00:30:05,586 of the solar system, and yes, 599 00:30:05,629 --> 00:30:09,024 the permanent settlement of space. 600 00:30:09,068 --> 00:30:12,680 As George HW Bush came into the White House, 601 00:30:12,723 --> 00:30:15,204 he indicated he wanted to do something 602 00:30:15,248 --> 00:30:17,728 to revitalize the space program. 603 00:30:17,772 --> 00:30:22,168 And his advisers prepared for him an announcement 604 00:30:22,211 --> 00:30:25,824 called the Space Exploration Initiative. 605 00:30:25,867 --> 00:30:28,304 [Robert Zubrin] Back to the moon, on to Mars, this time to stay. 606 00:30:28,348 --> 00:30:30,002 Great stuff, but NASA came back 607 00:30:30,045 --> 00:30:32,352 with a program to do it in 30 years 608 00:30:32,395 --> 00:30:34,876 that involved building floating spaceports 609 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,879 and giant interplanetary spaceships, 610 00:30:37,923 --> 00:30:40,882 and all kinds of things that were never gonna happen. 611 00:30:40,926 --> 00:30:42,536 And of course, the architecture meant 612 00:30:42,579 --> 00:30:43,972 you have to have a launch system 613 00:30:44,016 --> 00:30:45,669 and you have to have all the other pieces 614 00:30:45,713 --> 00:30:48,716 of what it would take to do an entire mission 615 00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:52,372 to the surface of the moon and go on to Mars. 616 00:30:52,415 --> 00:30:54,940 Well, you total up all those assets necessary 617 00:30:54,983 --> 00:30:59,205 over a 20-year period, and the total was $500 billion. 618 00:31:00,815 --> 00:31:04,210 Well, that figure got leaked to the Hill, 619 00:31:04,253 --> 00:31:05,994 and the way the Hill looks at money is 620 00:31:06,038 --> 00:31:10,477 $500 billion dollars with a B is in like today's money. 621 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,174 And so, it was dead on arrival. 622 00:31:12,218 --> 00:31:14,829 They never even bothered to look at it. 623 00:31:14,873 --> 00:31:16,570 Let me introduce to you 624 00:31:16,613 --> 00:31:18,615 our speaker for this afternoon, 625 00:31:18,659 --> 00:31:22,968 Robert Zubrin from Martin Marietta... Astro. 626 00:31:23,011 --> 00:31:25,927 He's a senior engineer there 627 00:31:25,971 --> 00:31:30,497 on the Moon and Mars Initiative missions work 628 00:31:30,540 --> 00:31:32,455 that Martin Marietta is doing. 629 00:31:32,499 --> 00:31:34,196 Robert, come talk to us. 630 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:35,806 [applauding] 631 00:31:35,850 --> 00:31:39,941 [Robert] Mars Direct is a plan for sending humans to Mars 632 00:31:39,985 --> 00:31:41,900 with present day technology. 633 00:31:41,943 --> 00:31:43,640 It's a plan that could be implemented 634 00:31:43,684 --> 00:31:45,904 within eight years of program start. 635 00:31:45,947 --> 00:31:47,514 This was developed by myself 636 00:31:47,557 --> 00:31:49,777 and another engineer named David Baker 637 00:31:49,820 --> 00:31:51,257 while we were working 638 00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:54,564 at the Martin Marietta Astronautics Company circa 1990. 639 00:31:56,088 --> 00:31:58,003 What Baker and I did was design a plan 640 00:31:58,046 --> 00:32:00,527 that would allow us to do a human Mars Mission 641 00:32:00,570 --> 00:32:03,965 in just two launches of a Saturn V heavy-lift booster, 642 00:32:04,009 --> 00:32:06,141 okay, like the one we used during Apollo. 643 00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:10,058 And before you know it, you've created the beginning 644 00:32:10,102 --> 00:32:12,147 of the first human settlement on a new world. 645 00:32:12,191 --> 00:32:15,020 There's nothing in this that is beyond our technology. 646 00:32:19,285 --> 00:32:22,723 Around that 1993, Mike Griffin was appointed 647 00:32:22,766 --> 00:32:25,247 Associate Administrator for Exploration, 648 00:32:25,291 --> 00:32:27,162 and he liked Mars Direct. 649 00:32:27,206 --> 00:32:29,164 He had us go back to Johnson Space Center 650 00:32:29,208 --> 00:32:31,427 and talk to them again with this time 651 00:32:31,471 --> 00:32:32,776 the people at headquarters telling you 652 00:32:32,820 --> 00:32:34,126 that they had to listen, 653 00:32:34,169 --> 00:32:35,431 and they listened, 654 00:32:35,475 --> 00:32:36,998 and they came up with a variant of Mars Direct 655 00:32:37,042 --> 00:32:38,608 as their new Mars Mission plan. 656 00:32:38,652 --> 00:32:40,349 And according to their analysis, 657 00:32:40,393 --> 00:32:43,091 it cut the cost of a human Mars exploration program 658 00:32:43,135 --> 00:32:46,138 by a factor of eight. Okay? 659 00:32:46,181 --> 00:32:48,662 Unfortunately by then, Clinton was in office, 660 00:32:48,705 --> 00:32:51,230 and he wasn't interested, so he told them to just shut up. 661 00:32:53,188 --> 00:32:56,278 You know, but the problem is, 662 00:32:56,322 --> 00:32:58,977 is that we've never had a situation where both NASA 663 00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:01,457 and the administration were on board at the same time, 664 00:33:01,501 --> 00:33:03,155 except during Apollo. 665 00:33:06,375 --> 00:33:07,855 [Michelle] My name is Michelle Stellhorn. 666 00:33:07,898 --> 00:33:10,423 I am a teacher in the Gifted Education program 667 00:33:10,466 --> 00:33:12,338 of the Rockwood School District, 668 00:33:12,381 --> 00:33:15,515 and I teach a unit called Mission to Mars. 669 00:33:15,558 --> 00:33:17,865 And we cover the Congressional space debate 670 00:33:17,908 --> 00:33:21,695 and the importance and future of space exploration. 671 00:33:21,738 --> 00:33:24,176 [Interviewer] Do you wanna be an astronaut? 672 00:33:24,219 --> 00:33:27,657 No, because I like Earth, and I want to stay on it, 673 00:33:27,701 --> 00:33:32,619 but I think that space exploration is really cool. 674 00:33:32,662 --> 00:33:35,056 It's too expensive. 675 00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:39,626 We have national debt and we have the job deficit. 676 00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:41,584 [Interviewer] Do you think that we should be spending 677 00:33:41,628 --> 00:33:44,326 more money and effort in space exploration? 678 00:33:46,198 --> 00:33:48,939 Well, I think-- 679 00:33:48,983 --> 00:33:50,245 I personally think we should, 680 00:33:50,289 --> 00:33:52,987 but I think that since there's so many people 681 00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:54,597 around the world who are struggling 682 00:33:54,641 --> 00:33:56,077 to just put food on the table, 683 00:33:56,121 --> 00:33:58,297 I don't see how we can. 684 00:33:58,340 --> 00:34:01,604 I mean, we could, but there's so many other problems 685 00:34:01,648 --> 00:34:05,173 that are major focuses that the government should be studying, 686 00:34:05,217 --> 00:34:06,522 that should be working on. 687 00:34:06,566 --> 00:34:10,309 We need to get our national debt paid off 688 00:34:10,351 --> 00:34:13,659 before we can go and play around in space. 689 00:34:13,703 --> 00:34:17,272 [Interviewer] If given the opportunity, if somebody said 690 00:34:17,315 --> 00:34:20,623 do you wanna go to space, would you go? 691 00:34:22,147 --> 00:34:26,063 Me, I think that depends how much they pay me. 692 00:34:27,978 --> 00:34:30,503 Don't wanna be an astronaut, what are they gonna fly? 693 00:34:30,545 --> 00:34:32,679 There's nothing to fly. 694 00:34:32,722 --> 00:34:35,072 There is no Mars program. 695 00:34:35,116 --> 00:34:37,858 There is no astronaut program. 696 00:34:37,900 --> 00:34:39,686 There's casual talk about it. 697 00:34:39,728 --> 00:34:41,601 I know what a program is. 698 00:34:41,643 --> 00:34:44,125 I know when a man says, "You're going to the moon, 699 00:34:44,168 --> 00:34:46,127 you're coming home eight years from now," 700 00:34:46,170 --> 00:34:48,042 I know what that means. 701 00:34:50,349 --> 00:34:52,438 [Rob Navias] The Space Shuttle pulls into port 702 00:34:52,481 --> 00:34:56,224 for the last time, its voyage at and end. 703 00:35:01,490 --> 00:35:03,884 [Rick] You know, there's a lot of people that think that 704 00:35:03,927 --> 00:35:05,451 the end of the Shuttle program 705 00:35:05,494 --> 00:35:10,151 was the end of America going out into space. 706 00:35:11,457 --> 00:35:14,503 It's absurd, it's ridiculous. 707 00:35:14,547 --> 00:35:18,464 Flying a Shuttle in circles around the Earth is not exploring. 708 00:35:18,507 --> 00:35:22,772 It's not pushing forward the human frontier. 709 00:35:22,816 --> 00:35:25,166 You're simply making work. 710 00:35:25,210 --> 00:35:28,343 You're simply funneling taxpayer money 711 00:35:28,387 --> 00:35:30,084 into certain people's pockets 712 00:35:30,128 --> 00:35:32,391 who are working in different areas, 713 00:35:32,434 --> 00:35:35,437 politicians, aerospace companies, 714 00:35:35,481 --> 00:35:37,483 people who runs space centers. 715 00:35:37,526 --> 00:35:41,922 That's not what this should be about, 716 00:35:41,965 --> 00:35:46,274 but that's what it's become because there's no leadership... 717 00:35:47,319 --> 00:35:49,103 because there's no vision. 718 00:35:49,147 --> 00:35:52,324 [ominous music] 719 00:35:52,367 --> 00:35:55,501 [garbled speaking on radio] 720 00:35:57,242 --> 00:35:58,591 [Charlie Hobaugh] And Columbia, Houston, 721 00:35:58,634 --> 00:35:59,940 we see you tire pressure messages, 722 00:35:59,983 --> 00:36:02,769 and we did not copy your last. 723 00:36:02,812 --> 00:36:05,424 [radio static] 724 00:36:12,474 --> 00:36:14,868 Columbia, Houston, comm check. 725 00:36:17,262 --> 00:36:20,090 Columbia, Houston, UHF comm check. 726 00:36:21,701 --> 00:36:24,486 Columbia, Houston, UHF comm check. 727 00:36:25,966 --> 00:36:30,666 [James] February 1st, 2003, Columbia reenters tragically 728 00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:33,452 and breaks up over Texas. 729 00:36:33,495 --> 00:36:36,368 The notion that we could continue flying the Shuttle... 730 00:36:38,283 --> 00:36:40,676 for a long time went away. 731 00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:43,418 [somber music] 732 00:36:50,643 --> 00:36:54,037 [Marcia] The commission that investigated that accident said, 733 00:36:54,081 --> 00:36:56,866 "If you're going to be risking human lives, 734 00:36:56,910 --> 00:36:59,869 "you really need to explain what it is 735 00:36:59,913 --> 00:37:02,568 that you're trying to accomplish in human spaceflight." 736 00:37:02,611 --> 00:37:06,876 Consistent with safety concerns and the recommendations 737 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,618 of the Columbia Accident Investigation Board... 738 00:37:11,316 --> 00:37:14,101 the Shuttle's chief purpose of the next several years 739 00:37:14,144 --> 00:37:15,972 will be to help finish assembly 740 00:37:16,016 --> 00:37:17,887 of the International Space Station. 741 00:37:19,846 --> 00:37:23,328 In 2010, the Space Shuttle, 742 00:37:23,371 --> 00:37:28,724 after nearly 30 years of duty, will be retired from service. 743 00:37:28,768 --> 00:37:30,987 [Marcia] The first Shuttle tragedy made everybody stop 744 00:37:31,031 --> 00:37:34,164 and think exactly what it was we were using the Shuttle for, 745 00:37:34,208 --> 00:37:36,906 and did you really need to have humans aboard 746 00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:39,518 a spacecraft in order to launch satellites, 747 00:37:39,561 --> 00:37:42,347 and the second tragedy, Columbia, 748 00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:44,174 really brought it down to a real focus on, 749 00:37:44,218 --> 00:37:47,569 "Well, why are you doing human spaceflight at all?" 750 00:37:47,613 --> 00:37:49,310 Using the crew exploration vehicle, 751 00:37:49,354 --> 00:37:52,400 we will undertake extended human missions to the moon 752 00:37:52,444 --> 00:37:54,576 as early as 2015, 753 00:37:54,620 --> 00:37:58,188 with the goal of living and working there 754 00:37:58,232 --> 00:38:01,583 for increasingly extended periods of time. 755 00:38:02,628 --> 00:38:05,544 [Rick] See, I was-- I was there, 756 00:38:05,587 --> 00:38:08,895 I was literally in the room when President Bush announced 757 00:38:08,938 --> 00:38:11,463 we were gonna go back to the moon and on to Mars. 758 00:38:11,506 --> 00:38:12,855 And I'm a Texan, I was close enough 759 00:38:12,899 --> 00:38:14,379 to where I could look at him. 760 00:38:14,422 --> 00:38:17,947 We're fairly good at spotting BS in each other, 761 00:38:17,991 --> 00:38:20,123 and I think he really meant it. 762 00:38:20,167 --> 00:38:23,039 [James] President Bush to his credit said, 763 00:38:23,083 --> 00:38:25,128 you know we're not gonna just do this anymore, 764 00:38:25,172 --> 00:38:27,000 we're gonna do something different, 765 00:38:27,043 --> 00:38:30,438 and we should go back and we should explore. 766 00:38:30,482 --> 00:38:32,222 [Jeff] A powerful argument was made 767 00:38:32,266 --> 00:38:34,355 that what needed to happen 768 00:38:34,399 --> 00:38:37,445 was we needed to start making economic use 769 00:38:37,489 --> 00:38:40,361 of all of the things that we had found 770 00:38:40,405 --> 00:38:43,669 by all this taxpayer-funded space exploration. 771 00:38:43,712 --> 00:38:46,367 If we want to start going back to the moon, 772 00:38:46,411 --> 00:38:49,805 but this time for economically useful purposes, 773 00:38:49,849 --> 00:38:52,155 how would we do that? 774 00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:55,289 And they came up with some really interesting ideas, 775 00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:57,247 all of which were affordable, 776 00:38:57,291 --> 00:38:59,032 all of which were executable, 777 00:38:59,075 --> 00:39:00,947 all of which were quite reasonable 778 00:39:00,990 --> 00:39:03,645 paths that we could have gone forward, 779 00:39:03,689 --> 00:39:06,387 none of which looked like Apollo. 780 00:39:06,431 --> 00:39:09,521 And then he hired a new NASA administrator, 781 00:39:09,564 --> 00:39:12,132 who said he was absolutely dedicated 782 00:39:12,175 --> 00:39:15,440 to carrying out the president's vision, 783 00:39:15,483 --> 00:39:17,398 and that was Dr. Michael Griffin. 784 00:39:18,704 --> 00:39:20,575 And Griffin came in and said, 785 00:39:20,619 --> 00:39:23,143 "I know how I'm going to do this." 786 00:39:23,186 --> 00:39:24,449 And he had a plan. 787 00:39:24,492 --> 00:39:28,191 He had a way of getting America back to the moon 788 00:39:28,235 --> 00:39:29,976 and then on to Mars. 789 00:39:30,019 --> 00:39:31,543 It is very Apollo-like. 790 00:39:31,586 --> 00:39:33,588 It may have a different shaped heat shield. 791 00:39:33,632 --> 00:39:35,938 It may have a different surface contact system, 792 00:39:35,982 --> 00:39:39,377 but the outer mold line is very Apollo-like, except larger. 793 00:39:39,420 --> 00:39:41,248 Think of it as Apollo on steroids. 794 00:39:42,292 --> 00:39:44,643 Everything was tanked. 795 00:39:44,686 --> 00:39:46,732 All of the ideas were dropped and ditched, 796 00:39:46,775 --> 00:39:51,432 because Mike Griffin had his own plan for "das programm." 797 00:39:51,476 --> 00:39:55,349 [ethereal music] 798 00:39:55,393 --> 00:39:58,308 [Narrator] NASA's new program for human space exploration 799 00:39:58,352 --> 00:40:00,702 is called Constellation. 800 00:40:00,746 --> 00:40:03,183 For the first time in a generation 801 00:40:03,226 --> 00:40:06,099 we will be traveling beyond low Earth orbit, 802 00:40:06,142 --> 00:40:07,666 returning to the moon 803 00:40:07,709 --> 00:40:10,843 and expanding human presence to Mars. 804 00:40:12,671 --> 00:40:15,804 Exploration must be taken in steps. 805 00:40:15,848 --> 00:40:18,416 Because we learn from every journey, 806 00:40:18,459 --> 00:40:21,854 there is a link between every place we go. 807 00:40:21,897 --> 00:40:24,683 [dramatic music] 808 00:40:33,909 --> 00:40:37,173 Very quickly the Bush Administration 809 00:40:37,217 --> 00:40:40,438 started to cut back on some of NASA's... 810 00:40:41,526 --> 00:40:43,789 hoped for budget increases. 811 00:40:43,832 --> 00:40:45,965 That brought you to the Obama Administration 812 00:40:46,008 --> 00:40:47,575 in which they said-- 813 00:40:47,619 --> 00:40:49,795 I understand that some believe that we should attempt 814 00:40:49,838 --> 00:40:52,493 a return to the surface of the moon first... 815 00:40:53,625 --> 00:40:55,975 as previously planned. 816 00:40:56,018 --> 00:40:59,718 But I just have to say, pretty bluntly here... 817 00:41:01,197 --> 00:41:02,851 we've been there before. 818 00:41:02,895 --> 00:41:05,201 Will American astronauts return to the moon 819 00:41:05,245 --> 00:41:06,942 in the foreseeable future? 820 00:41:06,986 --> 00:41:08,204 NBC News has learned 821 00:41:08,248 --> 00:41:09,902 that plans to travel there and beyond 822 00:41:09,945 --> 00:41:11,338 may in fact be scrubbed. 823 00:41:11,381 --> 00:41:14,515 The White House was willing to support the vision 824 00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:16,517 of returning to the moon by 2020 825 00:41:16,561 --> 00:41:19,389 and going on to Mars verbally, 826 00:41:19,433 --> 00:41:23,132 but not when it came down to the nation's pocketbook. 827 00:41:23,176 --> 00:41:25,657 It had been known from the start 828 00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:28,529 that the Constellation could not be executed 829 00:41:28,573 --> 00:41:31,010 on anything like NASA's current budget. 830 00:41:31,053 --> 00:41:33,969 The assumption was made that NASA 831 00:41:34,013 --> 00:41:36,755 would receive a very substantial budget increase 832 00:41:36,798 --> 00:41:39,671 in order to do something like Constellation. 833 00:41:39,714 --> 00:41:41,803 [Marcia] When President Obama came into office, 834 00:41:41,847 --> 00:41:43,501 he set up this committee 835 00:41:43,544 --> 00:41:45,764 to take a look at the Constellation program 836 00:41:45,807 --> 00:41:48,157 and that committee determined that technically 837 00:41:48,201 --> 00:41:50,551 the Constellation program was doing quite well, 838 00:41:50,595 --> 00:41:52,684 but that there wasn't enough money. 839 00:41:52,727 --> 00:41:55,861 The budget for that program had been reduced 840 00:41:55,904 --> 00:41:58,559 substantially every single year since it started, 841 00:41:58,603 --> 00:42:03,521 and as a result, our look at the Constellation program 842 00:42:03,564 --> 00:42:08,656 that we were then pursuing was that it was not executable. 843 00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:11,485 The program was on a trajectory to fail. 844 00:42:11,529 --> 00:42:15,663 We did recommend that either NASA's budget be increased, 845 00:42:15,707 --> 00:42:17,230 rather substantially, 846 00:42:17,273 --> 00:42:19,580 or that they should be given some other mission 847 00:42:19,624 --> 00:42:21,974 that they can do within their current budget. 848 00:42:22,017 --> 00:42:26,587 Everyone agrees that there's a $3 billion shortfall 849 00:42:26,631 --> 00:42:28,894 in what we need to accomplish our goals. 850 00:42:30,504 --> 00:42:35,640 Of what you have suggested as alternatives, other options, 851 00:42:35,683 --> 00:42:41,471 are any of those accomplishable without that shortfall? 852 00:42:43,256 --> 00:42:45,650 [Man] Do you wanna deal with that? 853 00:42:45,693 --> 00:42:47,695 -[Man 2] No. -Okay, there you go. 854 00:42:47,739 --> 00:42:49,349 The White House was not willing to invest 855 00:42:49,392 --> 00:42:50,959 that kind of money in it. 856 00:42:51,003 --> 00:42:52,961 Congress was not willing to invest that kind of money in it, 857 00:42:53,005 --> 00:42:55,007 so the Constellation program was canceled. 858 00:42:55,050 --> 00:43:00,665 The reason we were unable to sustain humanity in space 859 00:43:00,708 --> 00:43:02,797 or on the moon after Apollo, 860 00:43:02,841 --> 00:43:04,756 was there was no decision to do so... 861 00:43:06,453 --> 00:43:10,892 and there was no technology that was designed 862 00:43:10,936 --> 00:43:15,680 to allow us to do so because the decision was not there. 863 00:43:15,723 --> 00:43:18,204 Interestingly, in the Constellation program 864 00:43:18,247 --> 00:43:23,601 and under President Bush, he said, "We're going to establish 865 00:43:23,644 --> 00:43:26,125 human permanence beyond the Earth." 866 00:43:27,779 --> 00:43:30,912 Unfortunately, the people in charge 867 00:43:30,956 --> 00:43:34,350 were unable to understand what that meant, 868 00:43:34,394 --> 00:43:37,484 and instead redesigned a bigger, 869 00:43:37,527 --> 00:43:41,053 badder version of the Apollo program. 870 00:43:41,096 --> 00:43:44,360 It was doomed to failure from the beginning. 871 00:43:46,885 --> 00:43:50,279 [upbeat electronic music] 872 00:43:52,978 --> 00:43:54,719 [Narrator] September of 2011, 873 00:43:54,762 --> 00:43:58,331 NASA proposes a new capability for human exploration, 874 00:43:58,374 --> 00:44:01,377 a massive rocket, the largest ever built, 875 00:44:01,421 --> 00:44:05,077 for a variety of missions beyond low Earth orbit. 876 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,035 [Marcia] When President Obama announced 877 00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:09,037 that he was canceling Constellation, 878 00:44:09,081 --> 00:44:13,041 what he wanted to do was to wait five years 879 00:44:13,085 --> 00:44:16,436 and invest in game- changing technologies, 880 00:44:16,479 --> 00:44:18,656 and after that period of time 881 00:44:18,699 --> 00:44:20,745 a decision would be made as to what new rockets 882 00:44:20,788 --> 00:44:21,963 or spacecraft were needed 883 00:44:22,007 --> 00:44:23,704 to go wherever it is the nation 884 00:44:23,748 --> 00:44:25,663 was gonna go next in human spaceflight. 885 00:44:25,706 --> 00:44:27,839 And that presupposed in five years 886 00:44:27,882 --> 00:44:30,015 you could do something that essentially 887 00:44:30,058 --> 00:44:32,147 obsoletes chemical propulsion. 888 00:44:32,191 --> 00:44:35,281 We will increase investment right away 889 00:44:35,324 --> 00:44:37,283 in other groundbreaking technologies 890 00:44:37,326 --> 00:44:38,893 that will allow astronauts 891 00:44:38,937 --> 00:44:41,287 to reach space sooner and more often. 892 00:44:41,330 --> 00:44:43,028 Well, there was nothing in the pipeline 893 00:44:43,071 --> 00:44:44,507 at all that would do that. 894 00:44:44,551 --> 00:44:46,901 I mean, there was discussion of what might be. 895 00:44:46,945 --> 00:44:49,861 There was some hypotheses of what could be done, 896 00:44:49,904 --> 00:44:51,514 but now we're five years later 897 00:44:51,558 --> 00:44:53,255 and there really was nothing in the pipeline 898 00:44:53,299 --> 00:44:55,214 that was even remotely mature enough. 899 00:44:55,257 --> 00:44:56,911 [Marcia] And Congress hated that idea. 900 00:44:56,955 --> 00:44:59,958 Congress felt it was really important to have a destination 901 00:45:00,001 --> 00:45:03,048 and a time frame within which to meet 902 00:45:03,091 --> 00:45:06,486 specific visionary goals for human spaceflight 903 00:45:06,529 --> 00:45:09,097 and so Congress wrote into law 904 00:45:09,141 --> 00:45:12,013 directing NASA to build a new big rocket, 905 00:45:12,057 --> 00:45:14,276 which they called the Space Launch System, 906 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,323 and to build a multi-purpose crew vehicle, 907 00:45:17,366 --> 00:45:19,412 which we know as Orion, 908 00:45:19,455 --> 00:45:21,762 in order to provide the capabilities 909 00:45:21,806 --> 00:45:26,375 to keep a vigorous human spaceflight program going. 910 00:45:26,419 --> 00:45:28,638 So Constellation was canceled 911 00:45:28,682 --> 00:45:31,206 but Congress promptly reinstated 912 00:45:31,250 --> 00:45:34,122 the all the expensive parts of it under new names... 913 00:45:36,124 --> 00:45:38,474 but did not give NASA the budget increase 914 00:45:38,518 --> 00:45:40,955 that would be necessary to fly missions with them. 915 00:45:40,999 --> 00:45:42,130 Do you know what the budget 916 00:45:42,174 --> 00:45:44,916 for the SLS Launch System is? 917 00:45:44,959 --> 00:45:46,569 Uh, I-- 918 00:45:46,613 --> 00:45:48,920 We don't know, so you don't know either, quite frankly. 919 00:45:48,963 --> 00:45:50,748 -That was a leading question. -[Grunsfeld] All right. 920 00:45:50,791 --> 00:45:52,706 And if that money was gonna be taken 921 00:45:52,750 --> 00:45:56,318 out of your budget to develop the SLS Launch System, 922 00:45:56,362 --> 00:45:58,364 rather than go with the launch systems 923 00:45:58,407 --> 00:46:01,410 that we've already got, would you be supportive of that? 924 00:46:02,498 --> 00:46:04,065 -No. -Right. 925 00:46:04,109 --> 00:46:06,241 We really don't have a lot of momentum 926 00:46:06,285 --> 00:46:07,808 and a lot of vision on what 927 00:46:07,852 --> 00:46:09,288 Space Launch System is gonna do. 928 00:46:09,331 --> 00:46:12,378 It's been pegged "the rocket to nowhere." 929 00:46:12,421 --> 00:46:14,597 When they finally get it upgraded 930 00:46:14,641 --> 00:46:19,559 to 130 metric tons, which may be 2025, 931 00:46:19,602 --> 00:46:23,432 it will be equivalent and almost equal to a Saturn V, 932 00:46:23,476 --> 00:46:27,654 which we will have had 60 years earlier. 933 00:46:27,697 --> 00:46:30,613 We're talking about after proving one flight, 934 00:46:30,657 --> 00:46:33,834 that we might do an orbit around the moon 935 00:46:33,878 --> 00:46:35,444 called Apollo 8. 936 00:46:37,664 --> 00:46:39,231 You're keeping Space Station alive, 937 00:46:39,274 --> 00:46:41,276 you're supporting the various NASA centers, 938 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,235 you got two piece of hardware you're developing, 939 00:46:43,278 --> 00:46:45,106 but they have no destination 940 00:46:45,150 --> 00:46:47,108 and they're like what we did 60 years ago. 941 00:46:49,284 --> 00:46:51,678 I always call it a rocket to anywhere 942 00:46:51,721 --> 00:46:54,246 because it's just like the shuttle. 943 00:46:54,289 --> 00:46:56,204 When the shuttle was designed, 944 00:46:56,248 --> 00:47:00,339 it was designed to be a shuttle of capability. 945 00:47:00,382 --> 00:47:03,168 It didn't have payloads identified. 946 00:47:03,211 --> 00:47:05,997 All those missions were nonexistent... 947 00:47:07,128 --> 00:47:08,695 on the day the first shuttle flew. 948 00:47:10,915 --> 00:47:12,568 [Rick] If space is a frontier... 949 00:47:14,048 --> 00:47:16,877 and I shall hereby declare it to be so, 950 00:47:16,921 --> 00:47:20,054 and your goal is to settle the frontier-- 951 00:47:20,098 --> 00:47:23,318 in other words, for people to live there 952 00:47:23,362 --> 00:47:27,714 like they do here in what used to be a frontier-- 953 00:47:29,237 --> 00:47:31,674 then you have to create 954 00:47:31,718 --> 00:47:34,112 a means for that to occur. 955 00:47:35,504 --> 00:47:38,812 No frontier has never been opened 956 00:47:38,856 --> 00:47:41,206 based on the development and operation 957 00:47:41,249 --> 00:47:44,383 of a single giant government vehicle. 958 00:47:46,864 --> 00:47:48,866 [Jeff] They can launch two to three-- 959 00:47:48,909 --> 00:47:53,044 at least two and potentially three SLS's per year. 960 00:47:53,087 --> 00:47:56,090 They can build that many and they can launch that many. 961 00:47:56,134 --> 00:47:58,397 That's the way the design of the infrastructure 962 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,357 and the vehicle and the assembly plant is set up to do, 963 00:48:02,401 --> 00:48:05,317 but they need more funding. 964 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,145 To date, unfortunately, 965 00:48:07,188 --> 00:48:08,581 the budget has not been increased, 966 00:48:08,624 --> 00:48:10,670 and that's a major concern. 967 00:48:10,713 --> 00:48:13,238 It's been a major concern since day one, 968 00:48:13,281 --> 00:48:16,894 and if there's anything our commission emphasized, 969 00:48:16,937 --> 00:48:19,940 it was that we have to have a budget 970 00:48:19,984 --> 00:48:23,422 and a space program that are consistent with each other. 971 00:48:23,465 --> 00:48:26,729 And unfortunately, throughout the human 972 00:48:26,773 --> 00:48:30,342 space flight history, for a couple of decades, 973 00:48:30,385 --> 00:48:32,692 that's not been the case. 974 00:48:32,735 --> 00:48:35,042 Tonight, NASA announced further cuts 975 00:48:35,086 --> 00:48:37,262 have been ordered in its new budget 976 00:48:37,305 --> 00:48:38,611 and one effect will be a delay 977 00:48:38,654 --> 00:48:40,700 in the timetable for the space shuttle. 978 00:48:40,743 --> 00:48:43,746 50,000 employees are not looking forward. 979 00:48:43,790 --> 00:48:45,357 They're looking elsewhere. 980 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,968 If this country really needs another expensive 981 00:48:48,012 --> 00:48:49,970 piece of hardware in orbit, 982 00:48:50,014 --> 00:48:51,276 when here on the ground, 983 00:48:51,319 --> 00:48:52,973 we can hardly get the mail delivered. 984 00:48:53,017 --> 00:48:54,540 [Reporter] Congress cut the shuttle's budget 985 00:48:54,583 --> 00:48:57,543 by $234 million. 986 00:48:57,586 --> 00:48:59,719 Already there have been some cutbacks 987 00:48:59,762 --> 00:49:01,112 and there could be others. 988 00:49:01,155 --> 00:49:02,896 It is, without question, 989 00:49:02,940 --> 00:49:04,419 the biggest waste of money I've seen 990 00:49:04,463 --> 00:49:06,247 since I've been on the United State Senate. 991 00:49:06,291 --> 00:49:08,946 Today, President Clinton put in his latest bid. 992 00:49:08,989 --> 00:49:11,339 He outlined $13 billion in savings 993 00:49:11,383 --> 00:49:13,211 at four federal agencies, 994 00:49:13,254 --> 00:49:15,474 more than half the cuts at NASA. 995 00:49:15,517 --> 00:49:17,171 The bailout, the bank bailout, 996 00:49:17,215 --> 00:49:19,086 that sum of money is greater 997 00:49:19,130 --> 00:49:21,741 than the entire 50 year 998 00:49:21,784 --> 00:49:24,091 -running budget of NASA. -[Joan Walsh] Wow. 999 00:49:24,135 --> 00:49:25,266 I think we have to be realistic 1000 00:49:25,310 --> 00:49:26,702 when it comes to the budget. 1001 00:49:26,746 --> 00:49:28,487 If we need additional funds for a heavy lift rocket, 1002 00:49:28,530 --> 00:49:30,184 we're going to have to set priorities 1003 00:49:30,228 --> 00:49:32,491 and have to shift funds from other parts of the program. 1004 00:49:32,534 --> 00:49:36,756 I don't think that NASA or our space program 1005 00:49:36,799 --> 00:49:40,542 is somehow going to defy budget gravity 1006 00:49:40,586 --> 00:49:42,980 and be the only agency to get an increase 1007 00:49:43,023 --> 00:49:46,113 when every other agency is either gonna be flatlined 1008 00:49:46,157 --> 00:49:48,681 or be subject to the budgetary constraints. 1009 00:49:48,724 --> 00:49:50,944 So I think we're just gonna have to be smarter. 1010 00:49:50,988 --> 00:49:52,511 We're going to have to make sure 1011 00:49:52,554 --> 00:49:54,295 we don't have cost overruns 1012 00:49:54,339 --> 00:49:56,297 and we're gonna have to set priorities 1013 00:49:56,341 --> 00:49:58,082 and use the money that we do have better 1014 00:49:58,125 --> 00:49:59,474 and then we can get the funds, 1015 00:49:59,518 --> 00:50:01,128 say for a heavy lift rocket. 1016 00:50:01,172 --> 00:50:02,695 If we started today, 1017 00:50:02,738 --> 00:50:05,393 how long do each of you estimate it would be 1018 00:50:05,437 --> 00:50:09,049 before we could place a person on Mars? 1019 00:50:09,093 --> 00:50:11,095 -With the current budget? -[polite laughter] 1020 00:50:11,138 --> 00:50:13,488 [Mr. Posey] Yes. Give me a date with the current budget 1021 00:50:13,532 --> 00:50:15,838 and a date with the Apollo-era budget. 1022 00:50:17,623 --> 00:50:20,974 With the current budget-- bear with me-- I would probably say never. 1023 00:50:21,018 --> 00:50:22,193 Hey... 1024 00:50:23,542 --> 00:50:24,586 China. 1025 00:50:25,892 --> 00:50:28,068 Can we borrow some money to finish our Mars trip? 1026 00:50:28,112 --> 00:50:30,114 [audience laughing] 1027 00:50:31,985 --> 00:50:34,161 You know, with Constellation, Mike Griffin, 1028 00:50:34,205 --> 00:50:35,858 and now people with the SLS, 1029 00:50:35,902 --> 00:50:39,079 just assume that if we develop the SLS, 1030 00:50:39,123 --> 00:50:40,689 it will fly forever. 1031 00:50:42,126 --> 00:50:44,258 We had the Saturn V. 1032 00:50:45,651 --> 00:50:47,174 It worked. 1033 00:50:48,610 --> 00:50:51,178 It was flying humans to the moon... 1034 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,138 and we canceled it. 1035 00:50:56,401 --> 00:50:59,447 [dramatic music] 1036 00:51:01,623 --> 00:51:03,930 [Neil] When did we last leave low-Earth orbit, 1037 00:51:03,973 --> 00:51:05,279 you know, a couple hundred miles up 1038 00:51:05,323 --> 00:51:08,543 where the Space Station Space Shuttle orbit... 1039 00:51:09,675 --> 00:51:11,633 to go somewhere interesting with humans? 1040 00:51:11,677 --> 00:51:14,810 When did we last do it? 1972, Apollo 17. 1041 00:51:14,854 --> 00:51:17,074 It's been more than four decades 1042 00:51:17,117 --> 00:51:21,774 since we've left Earth for another destination. 1043 00:51:21,817 --> 00:51:23,254 What's the problem? 1044 00:51:23,297 --> 00:51:25,952 What are we missing? Is it political will? 1045 00:51:25,995 --> 00:51:27,649 Is it motivation? Is it money? 1046 00:51:27,693 --> 00:51:29,782 Is it-- are we distracted? 1047 00:51:29,825 --> 00:51:31,305 Are there other issues? 1048 00:51:32,828 --> 00:51:34,700 We went to the moon... 1049 00:51:34,743 --> 00:51:37,529 in the 1960s! 1050 00:51:39,226 --> 00:51:42,011 What, we didn't have problems in the 1960s? 1051 00:51:42,055 --> 00:51:45,145 [upbeat rock music] 1052 00:52:04,947 --> 00:52:07,298 We were at a hot war in Southeast Asia, 1053 00:52:07,341 --> 00:52:09,778 a cold war with the Soviet Union, 1054 00:52:09,822 --> 00:52:12,477 the Civil Rights Movement was fully under way, 1055 00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,261 there was campus unrest, 1056 00:52:14,305 --> 00:52:16,524 there were riots in the urban centers. 1057 00:52:18,222 --> 00:52:20,224 [John F. Kennedy] It shall be the policy of this nation 1058 00:52:20,267 --> 00:52:22,704 to regard any nuclear missile 1059 00:52:22,748 --> 00:52:25,054 launched from Cuba against any nation 1060 00:52:25,098 --> 00:52:26,882 in the Western Hemisphere 1061 00:52:26,926 --> 00:52:30,364 as an attack by the Soviet Union on the United States. 1062 00:52:30,408 --> 00:52:32,671 We had the greatest problems the country has seen 1063 00:52:32,714 --> 00:52:34,586 since the Civil War 1064 00:52:34,629 --> 00:52:37,328 and in that climate, on that landscape, 1065 00:52:37,371 --> 00:52:38,764 we went to the moon. 1066 00:52:38,807 --> 00:52:40,157 So don't turn around and tell me 1067 00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:41,462 that these past four decades 1068 00:52:41,506 --> 00:52:43,203 we've had challenges we couldn't overcome. 1069 00:52:43,247 --> 00:52:44,944 That's why we're not going into space. 1070 00:52:44,987 --> 00:52:47,512 No, that's not the reason we're not going into space. 1071 00:52:47,555 --> 00:52:51,777 [rock music] 1072 00:52:59,698 --> 00:53:04,572 It is the most natural question in the world to say... 1073 00:53:04,616 --> 00:53:07,227 you know, if you're a young person in this country, 1074 00:53:07,271 --> 00:53:09,490 "Wait a second, we were on the moon? 1075 00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:13,538 "American citizens were walking around, 1076 00:53:13,581 --> 00:53:15,409 "jumping around on the moon? 1077 00:53:15,453 --> 00:53:19,108 "They were driving a golf cart on the moon? 1078 00:53:19,152 --> 00:53:21,328 "They brought back hundreds of pounds 1079 00:53:21,372 --> 00:53:24,462 "of specially selected rock samples 1080 00:53:24,505 --> 00:53:27,595 "to see what the geological history of the moon was... 1081 00:53:29,075 --> 00:53:30,468 "and you stopped? 1082 00:53:31,512 --> 00:53:33,079 "Why did you stop? 1083 00:53:34,341 --> 00:53:36,387 Are you people nuts?" 1084 00:53:36,430 --> 00:53:38,345 My read of history tells me there's only 1085 00:53:38,389 --> 00:53:40,260 two, maybe three motivations 1086 00:53:40,304 --> 00:53:42,001 for ever doing something so grand 1087 00:53:42,044 --> 00:53:43,220 and one of them is war. 1088 00:53:45,439 --> 00:53:49,226 The other is money. Let's do it for money. 1089 00:53:49,269 --> 00:53:51,097 If you can do it for money, it'll happen. 1090 00:53:51,140 --> 00:53:54,492 I've never seen anyone do it to explore. 1091 00:53:55,710 --> 00:53:58,713 There is a growing tendency to think of man 1092 00:53:58,757 --> 00:54:03,065 as a rational thinking being, which is absurd. 1093 00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:05,503 There is simply no evidence of any intelligence 1094 00:54:05,546 --> 00:54:06,852 on the Earth. 1095 00:54:06,895 --> 00:54:09,463 Mm-hmm, wait! 1096 00:54:09,507 --> 00:54:13,075 [rocket engine roaring] 1097 00:54:23,390 --> 00:54:28,221 [Jim] Why did we stop producing Saturn V rockets? 1098 00:54:29,788 --> 00:54:33,182 It's one of the great mysteries to me. 1099 00:54:33,226 --> 00:54:37,491 The Saturn V rocket can put more mass 1100 00:54:37,535 --> 00:54:42,540 into low-Earth orbit than our shuttle. 1101 00:54:42,583 --> 00:54:45,499 It had been a natural to help build 1102 00:54:45,543 --> 00:54:47,545 the International Space Station. 1103 00:54:47,588 --> 00:54:50,635 [inspiring music] 1104 00:54:52,593 --> 00:54:54,552 The Saturn V was a really unique rocket 1105 00:54:54,595 --> 00:54:56,467 in the sense that it was really 1106 00:54:56,510 --> 00:54:59,905 the first rocket designed for exploration. 1107 00:54:59,948 --> 00:55:02,473 The Mercury Project's launched on a Redstone, 1108 00:55:02,516 --> 00:55:04,475 which was an intermediate-range ballistic missile. 1109 00:55:04,518 --> 00:55:06,564 It was modified. Then the Gemini 1110 00:55:06,607 --> 00:55:08,957 went up on a Titan, which was an ICBM. 1111 00:55:09,001 --> 00:55:11,960 So, the Saturn program was really the first rocket 1112 00:55:12,004 --> 00:55:13,440 that was never designed 1113 00:55:13,484 --> 00:55:15,312 to be launching missiles on other people. 1114 00:55:15,355 --> 00:55:17,357 It was actually the first one that was designed 1115 00:55:17,401 --> 00:55:20,317 to launch people to new destinations. 1116 00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,928 So the Saturn V was a leap beyond anything 1117 00:55:22,971 --> 00:55:24,451 that had been seen before. 1118 00:55:25,974 --> 00:55:29,630 It had five million-and-a- half-pound thrust engines 1119 00:55:29,674 --> 00:55:31,371 on just the first stage. 1120 00:55:31,415 --> 00:55:32,938 The second stage had five 1121 00:55:32,981 --> 00:55:35,593 quarter-million-pound thrust hydrogen engines on it, 1122 00:55:35,636 --> 00:55:37,421 and had a third stage with another 1123 00:55:37,464 --> 00:55:38,770 quarter-million-pound thrust. 1124 00:55:38,813 --> 00:55:40,162 It was a massive rocket. 1125 00:55:40,206 --> 00:55:42,513 It was something that had never been done before 1126 00:55:42,556 --> 00:55:44,732 and it worked very well 1127 00:55:44,776 --> 00:55:46,691 and it was able to do things 1128 00:55:46,734 --> 00:55:48,475 that nothing could have been able to do 1129 00:55:48,519 --> 00:55:50,521 and nothing can do today. 1130 00:55:50,564 --> 00:55:54,699 [rocket engine roaring] 1131 00:56:00,531 --> 00:56:02,881 We have a tendency in this country, 1132 00:56:02,924 --> 00:56:05,536 like "The Tortoise and the Hare." 1133 00:56:05,579 --> 00:56:07,102 We are the Hare. 1134 00:56:07,146 --> 00:56:08,495 We build something, we do something, 1135 00:56:08,539 --> 00:56:10,889 we go back and try something else. 1136 00:56:10,932 --> 00:56:13,239 Look, folks, modern design! 1137 00:56:13,282 --> 00:56:15,023 Whoo, whoo, whoo hoo! 1138 00:56:15,067 --> 00:56:17,069 The Russians, in the meanwhile, 1139 00:56:17,112 --> 00:56:18,723 are the tortoise. 1140 00:56:18,766 --> 00:56:21,465 They build something, they keep it going. 1141 00:56:21,508 --> 00:56:23,641 Do you know that the booster, 1142 00:56:23,684 --> 00:56:29,908 the rocket that put Yuri Krekorian up in space in 1961 1143 00:56:29,951 --> 00:56:32,998 is basically the same vehicle 1144 00:56:33,041 --> 00:56:36,436 that's putting our astronauts and their cosmonauts 1145 00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,874 into the International Space Station today? 1146 00:56:39,918 --> 00:56:41,833 The same vehicle, 1147 00:56:41,876 --> 00:56:44,488 and yet, we don't keep ours. 1148 00:56:44,531 --> 00:56:46,664 The Saturn V could have been improved. 1149 00:56:46,707 --> 00:56:50,015 That'd been a good stepping stone towards 1150 00:56:50,058 --> 00:56:52,365 going back to the moon. 1151 00:56:52,409 --> 00:56:55,673 We could have improved the lunar module. 1152 00:56:55,716 --> 00:56:58,023 We couldn't done lots of things 1153 00:56:58,066 --> 00:57:00,765 to the Saturn V to upgrade it, 1154 00:57:00,808 --> 00:57:04,682 and we'd have had, still, a viable lunar program going. 1155 00:57:05,987 --> 00:57:07,467 It's a tragedy, 1156 00:57:07,511 --> 00:57:09,556 and I'll mention that every time that someone tells me. 1157 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,821 It's a tragedy that we stopped building the Saturn V rocket. 1158 00:57:20,698 --> 00:57:23,744 The decision to stop production of the Saturn V 1159 00:57:23,788 --> 00:57:27,879 dates back really to the Lyndon Johnson administration. 1160 00:57:27,922 --> 00:57:30,925 The Space Agency, facing severe budget restrictions, 1161 00:57:30,969 --> 00:57:33,624 has decided to cut back Apollo moon landing missions 1162 00:57:33,667 --> 00:57:34,929 to two flights a year. 1163 00:57:34,973 --> 00:57:36,801 [Logsdon] NASA had stopped ordering 1164 00:57:36,844 --> 00:57:41,066 long lead-time items for the Saturn V in 1968 1165 00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:45,374 and announced suspension of its production. 1166 00:57:45,418 --> 00:57:47,507 There were 15 built, and then there weren't 1167 00:57:47,551 --> 00:57:48,682 gonna be any more. 1168 00:57:48,726 --> 00:57:51,337 Then there were ambitious recommendations 1169 00:57:51,380 --> 00:57:53,513 to Nixon in September of '69 1170 00:57:53,557 --> 00:57:57,125 to use Mars as a long-term goal of the program 1171 00:57:57,169 --> 00:57:59,388 and build a space station. 1172 00:58:00,999 --> 00:58:04,916 Those recommendations were rejected in the fall of '69, 1173 00:58:04,959 --> 00:58:08,049 and then there was no need for 1174 00:58:08,093 --> 00:58:11,400 the kind of capability represented by the Saturn V, 1175 00:58:11,444 --> 00:58:16,101 so it was in the budget cycle in December of 1969 1176 00:58:16,144 --> 00:58:19,757 that the decision finally was made to suspend production, 1177 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,237 basically shut the program down. 1178 00:58:22,281 --> 00:58:25,066 [dramatic music] 1179 00:58:25,110 --> 00:58:26,894 [typewriter keys clicking] 1180 00:58:54,618 --> 00:58:57,708 [pen scratching] 1181 00:58:57,751 --> 00:58:59,492 [Dale D. Myers] We had a president who was 1182 00:58:59,536 --> 00:59:03,409 not particularly interested in the space program. 1183 00:59:03,452 --> 00:59:09,546 We had a... Vietnam War that was picking up a lot of money 1184 00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:15,552 and... so as soon as the NASA budget 1185 00:59:15,595 --> 00:59:19,599 for Apollo began to drop off a little, 1186 00:59:19,643 --> 00:59:21,906 the White House looked at it 1187 00:59:21,949 --> 00:59:23,603 like a big place to get money. 1188 00:59:23,647 --> 00:59:28,390 [dramatic music] 1189 00:59:45,538 --> 00:59:49,063 [pen scratching] 1190 00:59:49,107 --> 00:59:51,500 Thomas Paine, administrator of the Space Agency, 1191 00:59:51,544 --> 00:59:53,677 said today that 50,000 people will be dropped 1192 00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,374 and the Space Program stretched out 1193 00:59:55,417 --> 00:59:56,941 as a result of what he called 1194 00:59:56,984 --> 01:00:00,074 "very stringent budget cuts ordered by President Nixon." 1195 01:00:00,118 --> 01:00:01,902 Most of those who will lose their jobs 1196 01:00:01,946 --> 01:00:03,774 work for private contractors, 1197 01:00:03,817 --> 01:00:05,732 the rest for the Space Agency. 1198 01:00:05,776 --> 01:00:07,342 Among other things, 1199 01:00:07,386 --> 01:00:10,171 Paine said production of the Saturn V rocket will be ended. 1200 01:00:10,215 --> 01:00:11,912 The last one will be used to launch 1201 01:00:11,956 --> 01:00:13,958 an experimental space station. 1202 01:00:14,001 --> 01:00:15,568 The rocket was designed 1203 01:00:15,612 --> 01:00:18,876 at the Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama. 1204 01:00:18,919 --> 01:00:21,705 [dramatic music] 1205 01:00:23,054 --> 01:00:25,926 [Richard Nixon speaking on tape] 1206 01:00:52,866 --> 01:00:56,043 The idea of going to Mars was not selling. 1207 01:00:56,087 --> 01:00:58,785 Putting a base on the moon was not selling. 1208 01:00:58,829 --> 01:01:01,396 We weren't gonna get the big space station. 1209 01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,790 We knew we weren't gonna get the nuclear rocket. 1210 01:01:03,834 --> 01:01:05,923 With the Apollo program doing so well, 1211 01:01:05,966 --> 01:01:08,229 we thought we would be able to at least continue 1212 01:01:08,273 --> 01:01:12,625 with the sort of budget support that we had had for Apollo, 1213 01:01:12,669 --> 01:01:16,281 which had been terrific, and... didn't happen, 1214 01:01:16,324 --> 01:01:19,763 and so we were pretty depressed group for a while. 1215 01:01:19,806 --> 01:01:22,156 Saturn V, Saturn IB, 1216 01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,898 command module-- all disappeared. 1217 01:01:26,552 --> 01:01:28,380 And there will be a mission to Mars someday, 1218 01:01:28,423 --> 01:01:30,295 but I don't know when. 1219 01:01:30,338 --> 01:01:32,340 50 years from now maybe. 1220 01:01:32,384 --> 01:01:34,647 [Announcer speaking] 1221 01:01:41,306 --> 01:01:44,004 [somber music] 1222 01:01:48,530 --> 01:01:50,924 [Jim] When I look at the present direction 1223 01:01:50,968 --> 01:01:52,883 of our space program today... 1224 01:01:54,014 --> 01:01:55,886 I feel disappointed. 1225 01:01:55,929 --> 01:01:59,759 I feel that our leaders don't really 1226 01:01:59,803 --> 01:02:03,502 have a good reason for continuing it. 1227 01:02:03,545 --> 01:02:08,376 I think that-- that it's not their desire to really have 1228 01:02:08,420 --> 01:02:13,164 a first-class, first-rate program that they can be proud of 1229 01:02:13,207 --> 01:02:17,777 and we look at ways that we waste money in this country 1230 01:02:17,821 --> 01:02:20,171 when we could put it to good use 1231 01:02:20,214 --> 01:02:23,087 in a program that everybody really-- 1232 01:02:23,130 --> 01:02:26,177 the average individual-- really wants to see done, 1233 01:02:26,220 --> 01:02:29,267 then it-- it kind of makes me feel sad. 1234 01:02:29,310 --> 01:02:31,269 [Rick] Today, we stand on the shoulders of giants. 1235 01:02:32,357 --> 01:02:34,968 And we have to honor those people. 1236 01:02:35,012 --> 01:02:37,318 I know a lot of Apollo astronauts. 1237 01:02:37,362 --> 01:02:40,060 They're pretty pissed off... 1238 01:02:40,104 --> 01:02:41,845 'cause they did their job, 1239 01:02:41,888 --> 01:02:43,672 they did what they were asked to do, 1240 01:02:43,716 --> 01:02:45,239 they put their lives on the line. 1241 01:02:45,283 --> 01:02:48,416 They went out and they did something incredible... 1242 01:02:48,460 --> 01:02:50,984 and then nothing happened. 1243 01:02:51,028 --> 01:02:55,510 Can NASA mount a project? Can they do a project anymore? 1244 01:02:55,554 --> 01:02:58,600 Or does the project become so politicized 1245 01:02:58,644 --> 01:03:00,428 and so wrapped up in Washington 1246 01:03:00,472 --> 01:03:03,692 that it gets strangulated and can't happen? 1247 01:03:03,736 --> 01:03:05,956 Unfortunately, I come from the '60s. 1248 01:03:08,088 --> 01:03:11,352 I'm not cynical. I come from the '60s... 1249 01:03:11,396 --> 01:03:14,573 the greatest project management the world has ever seen 1250 01:03:14,616 --> 01:03:16,444 on any project, and we did it. 1251 01:03:18,446 --> 01:03:20,144 We did it urgently. 1252 01:03:20,187 --> 01:03:22,189 We did it on cost, on schedule, 1253 01:03:22,233 --> 01:03:23,800 and we did it right, 1254 01:03:23,843 --> 01:03:28,326 even with 45 years of hindsight history, we did it right. 1255 01:03:28,369 --> 01:03:31,198 I believe that when we landed 1256 01:03:31,242 --> 01:03:34,898 on the moon in 1969 as a flight tracker, 1257 01:03:34,941 --> 01:03:38,379 my children would see an American back on the moon. 1258 01:03:38,423 --> 01:03:41,556 I'm starting to lose that belief. 1259 01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,210 I had hoped that I would see it myself. 1260 01:03:43,254 --> 01:03:45,996 That is now... impossible. 1261 01:03:47,171 --> 01:03:51,044 Ironically, going to the moon 1262 01:03:51,088 --> 01:03:54,439 could have been a natural continuation 1263 01:03:54,482 --> 01:03:57,137 of the westward migration 1264 01:03:57,181 --> 01:03:59,487 that began with the 13 colonies 1265 01:03:59,531 --> 01:04:04,275 and continued to the end of the 1800s, 1266 01:04:04,318 --> 01:04:06,668 but we didn't do it that way. 1267 01:04:06,712 --> 01:04:10,063 We had a government planned crisis project 1268 01:04:10,107 --> 01:04:13,588 instead of opening up space like a frontier. 1269 01:04:13,632 --> 01:04:15,025 You realized during the entire 1270 01:04:15,068 --> 01:04:17,288 golden age of space exploration 1271 01:04:17,331 --> 01:04:19,290 that we generally associate with the 1960s 1272 01:04:19,333 --> 01:04:21,248 and the voyage to the moon, 1273 01:04:21,292 --> 01:04:23,598 we remember ourselves as pioneers in that era, 1274 01:04:23,642 --> 01:04:27,167 but in fact, we were reactive... 1275 01:04:28,473 --> 01:04:31,215 to the statements made by the Soviets 1276 01:04:31,258 --> 01:04:35,872 rather than proactive in fulfillment of dreams we had. 1277 01:04:35,915 --> 01:04:38,222 They put up a satellite, we gotta put up a satellite. 1278 01:04:38,265 --> 01:04:40,354 They put a animal-- non-human animal in orbit, 1279 01:04:40,398 --> 01:04:41,965 we put a non-human animal. 1280 01:04:42,008 --> 01:04:45,794 They put up a first human, we put up a first human. 1281 01:04:45,838 --> 01:04:47,361 This went on and on and on 1282 01:04:47,405 --> 01:04:50,451 with Russia beating us in practically everything. 1283 01:04:52,279 --> 01:04:54,760 Then we get to the moon before they did. We said, "We win." 1284 01:04:58,633 --> 01:05:01,898 If that's how we look at it, we didn't understand... 1285 01:05:03,334 --> 01:05:07,164 who was pioneering that race. 1286 01:05:10,732 --> 01:05:15,085 So, we are better at reacting than proacting. 1287 01:05:16,347 --> 01:05:18,001 Given that fact, we may have to sink 1288 01:05:18,044 --> 01:05:22,919 deeper into economic... poverty as a nation 1289 01:05:22,962 --> 01:05:25,095 before we wake up and say, 1290 01:05:25,138 --> 01:05:26,923 "We gotta do something about this." 1291 01:05:29,447 --> 01:05:33,277 It's an unfortunate fact of how we function. 1292 01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,322 [Rick] You know, there's a generation out there right now 1293 01:05:35,366 --> 01:05:37,150 that doesn't believe we've ever been to the moon. 1294 01:05:38,238 --> 01:05:41,459 Now, that's not because the shadows 1295 01:05:41,502 --> 01:05:44,070 from the flag fall the wrong way 1296 01:05:44,114 --> 01:05:46,377 or the lens flare is wrong 1297 01:05:46,420 --> 01:05:49,815 or you can't see the stars because of the contrast ratio 1298 01:05:49,858 --> 01:05:52,992 or this or that or the other or anything like that. 1299 01:05:53,036 --> 01:05:58,563 The real reason that any of that... sticks at all... 1300 01:05:59,607 --> 01:06:02,132 is that we're not there now... 1301 01:06:02,175 --> 01:06:03,916 and it's incredibly hard to believe 1302 01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,092 that if we ever did something that magnificent, 1303 01:06:06,136 --> 01:06:08,616 that exciting, that inspirational... 1304 01:06:10,053 --> 01:06:12,577 why did we stop? 1305 01:06:12,620 --> 01:06:15,580 That's the reason there's people who believe we never went. 1306 01:06:15,623 --> 01:06:18,670 Why aren't we there now? 1307 01:06:18,713 --> 01:06:22,065 It's peace time, Jim. The government isn't making that kind of appropriations. 1308 01:06:22,108 --> 01:06:23,892 Oh, they'll need the rocket one of these days 1309 01:06:23,936 --> 01:06:25,938 and if it's not ready, the government will do the job. 1310 01:06:25,982 --> 01:06:29,115 And they'll turn to you, to private industry, to do it. 1311 01:06:29,159 --> 01:06:31,422 Government always does that when it gets in a jam. 1312 01:06:31,465 --> 01:06:32,814 It has to. This time, 1313 01:06:32,858 --> 01:06:37,167 I figured we might be ready for the government. 1314 01:06:37,210 --> 01:06:41,214 [Bill] The British government explored Hudson Bay. 1315 01:06:41,258 --> 01:06:44,130 Then, the Hudson Bay Company was created. 1316 01:06:44,174 --> 01:06:46,611 The US government explores the moon, 1317 01:06:46,654 --> 01:06:50,180 then the lunar, gofindlunarrocks.com 1318 01:06:50,223 --> 01:06:52,095 company will get created. 1319 01:06:52,138 --> 01:06:55,272 We have companies now, SpaceX leading the way, 1320 01:06:55,315 --> 01:06:57,709 bringing cargo to and from the Space Station. 1321 01:06:57,752 --> 01:07:00,364 That should have been happening decades ago. 1322 01:07:00,407 --> 01:07:03,062 You don't need astronauts to serve as truck drivers 1323 01:07:03,106 --> 01:07:05,325 hauling cargo back and forth. 1324 01:07:05,369 --> 01:07:07,240 An unmanned vehicle can do that 1325 01:07:07,284 --> 01:07:09,851 and let the commercial marketplace take care of it. 1326 01:07:09,895 --> 01:07:11,418 Let them bid for that. 1327 01:07:11,462 --> 01:07:13,159 They can do it faster, cheaper, better, 1328 01:07:13,203 --> 01:07:16,380 than any government program could do it, for sure. 1329 01:07:16,423 --> 01:07:18,860 [Mark Sirangelo] When airplanes were first beginning, 1330 01:07:18,904 --> 01:07:21,559 a very smart group of people decided 1331 01:07:21,602 --> 01:07:23,169 that they were not going to-- 1332 01:07:23,213 --> 01:07:25,780 America was not going to own its own fleet, 1333 01:07:25,824 --> 01:07:27,086 its own airline. 1334 01:07:27,130 --> 01:07:28,827 It said, "What we're gonna do is help build 1335 01:07:28,870 --> 01:07:31,525 the airline industry and the airplane industry," 1336 01:07:31,569 --> 01:07:33,527 and they did that by simply guaranteeing 1337 01:07:33,571 --> 01:07:34,789 a certain amount of mail 1338 01:07:34,833 --> 01:07:37,314 that was gonna be traveling on airplanes. 1339 01:07:37,357 --> 01:07:39,707 And what happened was that an industry developed 1340 01:07:39,751 --> 01:07:41,622 here America became the leading country 1341 01:07:41,666 --> 01:07:44,190 and the leading technology developer 1342 01:07:44,234 --> 01:07:47,454 of what we now know as modern aviation. 1343 01:07:47,498 --> 01:07:52,242 [inspirational music] 1344 01:08:00,902 --> 01:08:02,469 People should be able to come up 1345 01:08:02,513 --> 01:08:05,168 with creative, beneficial things 1346 01:08:05,211 --> 01:08:08,345 that they can figure out how to afford to do 1347 01:08:08,388 --> 01:08:12,479 and if there's science involved that can benefit the country 1348 01:08:12,523 --> 01:08:15,134 and the federal government can get involved, 1349 01:08:15,178 --> 01:08:17,615 if there's technology that needs to be developed 1350 01:08:17,658 --> 01:08:21,140 that can help people, the government can get involved there. 1351 01:08:21,184 --> 01:08:24,274 We could have partnerships and we can move out. 1352 01:08:24,317 --> 01:08:26,537 We can have the 21st century equivalent 1353 01:08:26,580 --> 01:08:28,974 of the Transcontinental Railroad, 1354 01:08:29,017 --> 01:08:31,977 which by the way, was built by private companies 1355 01:08:32,020 --> 01:08:34,893 without a government department of railroads 1356 01:08:34,935 --> 01:08:36,286 telling them how to do it. 1357 01:08:37,461 --> 01:08:39,115 We did it with land grants. 1358 01:08:39,158 --> 01:08:41,334 Well, we could do the same thing in space. 1359 01:08:41,377 --> 01:08:43,423 We could do the same sort of 1360 01:08:43,466 --> 01:08:45,295 innovative partnerships in space. 1361 01:08:45,337 --> 01:08:46,470 We just have to get away 1362 01:08:46,513 --> 01:08:48,645 from this sort of bureaucratic mindset 1363 01:08:48,689 --> 01:08:51,692 that it needs to be a government program to do it for us. 1364 01:08:51,736 --> 01:08:55,087 The vast amount of brains, talents, special skills, 1365 01:08:55,131 --> 01:08:57,176 and research facilities necessary for this project 1366 01:08:57,220 --> 01:09:00,136 are not in the government, nor can they be mobilized 1367 01:09:00,179 --> 01:09:03,487 by the government in peacetime without fatal delay. 1368 01:09:03,529 --> 01:09:06,490 Only American industry can do this job. 1369 01:09:06,533 --> 01:09:09,406 [Rick] The way frontiers have been opened, 1370 01:09:09,448 --> 01:09:11,408 and the way that they should be opened, 1371 01:09:11,451 --> 01:09:15,368 is by an interaction of the private and the public sector, 1372 01:09:15,412 --> 01:09:18,154 working for the good of all 1373 01:09:18,197 --> 01:09:20,939 so that the government is providing 1374 01:09:20,982 --> 01:09:23,420 a Lewis and Clark function, 1375 01:09:23,462 --> 01:09:27,162 a Magellan function, a Drake function, 1376 01:09:27,206 --> 01:09:30,514 and then those explorers are returning 1377 01:09:30,557 --> 01:09:32,777 and telling us about what's over the hill, 1378 01:09:32,819 --> 01:09:35,214 what's across that ocean, 1379 01:09:35,258 --> 01:09:39,479 and then the private sector moves into that realm 1380 01:09:39,523 --> 01:09:44,091 and begins to turn what it is that's been found 1381 01:09:44,136 --> 01:09:46,399 into new land, new wealth, 1382 01:09:48,966 --> 01:09:51,752 and that's how you open a frontier. 1383 01:09:51,796 --> 01:09:53,798 You don't open a frontier 1384 01:09:53,841 --> 01:09:57,976 by sending a few highly- paid government employees 1385 01:09:58,019 --> 01:10:04,025 out there in a large and expensive government vehicle 1386 01:10:04,069 --> 01:10:09,248 and throwing most of it away on the way there and back. 1387 01:10:09,292 --> 01:10:13,296 [patriotic music playing] 1388 01:10:13,339 --> 01:10:15,211 Well, I know one thing. 1389 01:10:15,254 --> 01:10:17,952 If they do build a space station in my lifetime, 1390 01:10:17,996 --> 01:10:19,650 or send a ship to the moon, 1391 01:10:19,693 --> 01:10:21,521 I'm gonna be ready to go. 1392 01:10:21,565 --> 01:10:23,480 What courses are you taking next year? 1393 01:10:23,523 --> 01:10:25,743 Oh, my schedule is already made out. 1394 01:10:25,786 --> 01:10:28,528 In the ninth grade, you have to take mathematics 1395 01:10:28,572 --> 01:10:31,183 -and English and history-- -No science? 1396 01:10:31,227 --> 01:10:32,663 Well, I had my choice of taking 1397 01:10:32,706 --> 01:10:34,621 general science this year or next, 1398 01:10:34,665 --> 01:10:36,493 but I've put it off a year. 1399 01:10:36,536 --> 01:10:38,364 Then you put your trip off a year. 1400 01:10:38,408 --> 01:10:41,585 Science is the engine of prosperity. 1401 01:10:41,628 --> 01:10:44,544 All the wealth we see around us comes from science, 1402 01:10:44,588 --> 01:10:48,722 but science is made by scientists, mainly young people. 1403 01:10:48,766 --> 01:10:51,421 Young people have to be inspired. 1404 01:10:51,464 --> 01:10:53,336 They have to look into the sky and say, 1405 01:10:53,379 --> 01:10:55,947 "Wow, I wanna be part of this great endeavor 1406 01:10:55,990 --> 01:10:58,036 to explore the universe." 1407 01:10:58,079 --> 01:11:01,169 The real spin-off that matters 1408 01:11:01,213 --> 01:11:03,650 out of the Apollo program... 1409 01:11:03,694 --> 01:11:08,699 was a generation that saw that 1410 01:11:08,742 --> 01:11:11,267 and in their mind, they mixed, 1411 01:11:11,310 --> 01:11:12,964 "Here's the Apollo program 1412 01:11:13,007 --> 01:11:16,184 "and people really doing something cool out there in space, 1413 01:11:16,228 --> 01:11:18,143 "and here's Captain Kirk 1414 01:11:18,186 --> 01:11:20,754 and these kinds of shows and movies," 1415 01:11:20,798 --> 01:11:22,278 "2001 Space Odyssey," 1416 01:11:22,321 --> 01:11:24,062 and if you put this all together 1417 01:11:24,105 --> 01:11:27,457 in the mind of a child or a teenager, what begins to happen 1418 01:11:27,500 --> 01:11:30,460 is a synthesis that says, "I wanna do that. 1419 01:11:30,503 --> 01:11:32,244 "Somebody's done it. 1420 01:11:32,288 --> 01:11:33,680 "I can do it. 1421 01:11:33,724 --> 01:11:35,769 I'm gonna figure out how to do it." 1422 01:11:35,813 --> 01:11:38,163 The biggest spin-off of the Apollo program 1423 01:11:38,206 --> 01:11:41,906 was a generation who stayed in school, who studied, 1424 01:11:41,949 --> 01:11:44,387 and now, they wanna do that. 1425 01:11:44,430 --> 01:11:46,476 They want to give back to civilization 1426 01:11:46,519 --> 01:11:48,782 in the way that they were inspired to do as children. 1427 01:11:48,826 --> 01:11:51,655 My son looked up at me one night and asked me-- 1428 01:11:51,698 --> 01:11:54,266 sorry, it still breaks me up-- 1429 01:11:55,702 --> 01:11:57,313 "Daddy, is it really true 1430 01:11:57,356 --> 01:12:00,446 that they used to fly to the moon when you were a boy?" 1431 01:12:00,490 --> 01:12:03,101 I was really disappointed that we had not sent anyone to Mars, 1432 01:12:03,144 --> 01:12:05,669 that we had not progressed beyond Apollo, 1433 01:12:05,712 --> 01:12:08,367 and I kept waiting for when we would, 1434 01:12:08,411 --> 01:12:10,761 and it just didn't happen, year after year. 1435 01:12:10,804 --> 01:12:14,591 I submit that if we engage in another bold vision 1436 01:12:14,634 --> 01:12:16,201 like we did in the '60s, 1437 01:12:16,244 --> 01:12:17,768 this time not motivated by war, 1438 01:12:17,811 --> 01:12:20,858 but by an understanding of the impact 1439 01:12:20,901 --> 01:12:22,729 of that adventure on our culture... 1440 01:12:24,078 --> 01:12:25,645 our culture... 1441 01:12:25,689 --> 01:12:28,518 what people wanted to be when they grew up. 1442 01:12:28,561 --> 01:12:30,128 I am a child of Apollo. 1443 01:12:31,347 --> 01:12:34,698 The greatest influences I had growing up 1444 01:12:34,741 --> 01:12:38,266 were NASA and "Star Trek." 1445 01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:40,965 I didn't just believe we were going into space. 1446 01:12:41,008 --> 01:12:42,749 I expected it. 1447 01:12:42,793 --> 01:12:45,491 [Neil] It stimulates an entire generation 1448 01:12:45,535 --> 01:12:47,014 of scientists and technologists. 1449 01:12:47,058 --> 01:12:48,538 It's the 21st century. 1450 01:12:48,581 --> 01:12:50,366 You need them if you care about 1451 01:12:50,409 --> 01:12:52,629 the health of your economy tomorrow. 1452 01:12:52,672 --> 01:12:54,413 You need folks like that around you. 1453 01:12:54,457 --> 01:12:56,546 I went to the NASA website to just see, 1454 01:12:56,589 --> 01:12:57,590 "When are we going to Mars?" 1455 01:12:57,634 --> 01:12:59,766 And I couldn't find that out. 1456 01:12:59,810 --> 01:13:01,899 [laughter] 1457 01:13:01,942 --> 01:13:03,466 Then I thought, well, 1458 01:13:03,509 --> 01:13:06,425 perhaps this is a question of-- of will. 1459 01:13:06,469 --> 01:13:09,776 Is there sufficient will to do this? 1460 01:13:09,820 --> 01:13:14,172 The reason I fight so hard for this cause 1461 01:13:14,215 --> 01:13:17,610 is because I believe we are here 1462 01:13:17,654 --> 01:13:20,265 to expand and grow 1463 01:13:20,308 --> 01:13:23,616 and carry the light of life into space. 1464 01:13:23,660 --> 01:13:26,706 [Neil] If we don't embrace space as a frontier, 1465 01:13:26,750 --> 01:13:29,535 what are we as a species? 1466 01:13:29,579 --> 01:13:31,319 We have the power to do it. 1467 01:13:31,363 --> 01:13:32,930 We have the know-how to do it. 1468 01:13:32,973 --> 01:13:34,758 We know what it can bring us... 1469 01:13:35,976 --> 01:13:40,416 culturally, economically, militaristically. 1470 01:13:40,459 --> 01:13:44,724 To not do it is to simply not have the foresight. 1471 01:13:47,074 --> 01:13:49,773 In these final hours before Apollo 17, 1472 01:13:49,816 --> 01:13:51,601 some people are gloomy about 1473 01:13:51,644 --> 01:13:53,690 the future of space exploration. 1474 01:13:53,733 --> 01:13:56,432 Not among them is Dr. Wernher von Braun, 1475 01:13:56,475 --> 01:13:58,608 the retired rocket expert to develop 1476 01:13:58,651 --> 01:14:00,871 the big Saturn launch vehicles 1477 01:14:00,914 --> 01:14:03,526 used to send men on their way to the moon. 1478 01:14:03,569 --> 01:14:05,745 I talked with Dr. Von Braun earlier this evening. 1479 01:14:05,789 --> 01:14:09,445 I think that all good things have an ending. 1480 01:14:09,488 --> 01:14:12,491 I consider Apollo a little bit as it were 1481 01:14:12,535 --> 01:14:17,235 as a sailing ship and dog sled area for the south pole. 1482 01:14:17,278 --> 01:14:19,411 Or next time we go to the south pole, 1483 01:14:19,455 --> 01:14:21,674 we'll go by turboprop airplane. 1484 01:14:21,718 --> 01:14:24,547 We doubled the number of science graduates 1485 01:14:24,590 --> 01:14:26,897 in this country during Apollo at every level: 1486 01:14:26,940 --> 01:14:29,029 high school, college, PhD. 1487 01:14:29,073 --> 01:14:30,509 What force was operating to make 1488 01:14:30,553 --> 01:14:31,858 everyone want to become scientists? 1489 01:14:31,902 --> 01:14:34,295 We were going to the moon. 1490 01:14:34,339 --> 01:14:36,950 So, our motivation was militaristically driven, 1491 01:14:36,994 --> 01:14:39,126 but we benefited economically from it 1492 01:14:39,170 --> 01:14:41,520 because scientists and technologists 1493 01:14:41,564 --> 01:14:44,262 invent the economies of tomorrow. 1494 01:14:48,266 --> 01:14:51,399 We used to invent new things with such frequency 1495 01:14:51,443 --> 01:14:54,098 that you didn't fix something that was about to break. 1496 01:14:54,141 --> 01:14:56,492 You put in something completely new 1497 01:14:56,535 --> 01:14:59,625 that took you to a new place. 1498 01:14:59,669 --> 01:15:01,540 You didn't have to worry about the old thing breaking, 1499 01:15:01,584 --> 01:15:04,630 because you just replaced the entire structure 1500 01:15:04,674 --> 01:15:06,589 with better materials, lighter materials, 1501 01:15:06,632 --> 01:15:09,809 more durable materials. 1502 01:15:09,853 --> 01:15:14,118 These are the things that come out of an innovation nation. 1503 01:15:14,161 --> 01:15:15,859 You know how you get in an innovation nation? 1504 01:15:15,902 --> 01:15:18,296 You put a bold project in front of them 1505 01:15:18,339 --> 01:15:20,994 that inspires people to want to innovate in the first place. 1506 01:15:21,038 --> 01:15:24,563 And I know of no greater force of nature 1507 01:15:24,607 --> 01:15:27,523 than what going into space can do... 1508 01:15:29,089 --> 01:15:30,961 for the next generation of people 1509 01:15:31,004 --> 01:15:35,052 who are tasked with taking us into the 21st century. 1510 01:15:35,095 --> 01:15:38,795 I believe that we can carry this battle 1511 01:15:38,838 --> 01:15:42,538 and basically address it, articulate it 1512 01:15:42,581 --> 01:15:45,236 as an economic challenge to the nation, 1513 01:15:45,279 --> 01:15:47,151 a technological challenge to the nation, 1514 01:15:47,194 --> 01:15:50,110 a spiritual challenge to the nation, 1515 01:15:50,154 --> 01:15:55,072 that we have to believe as a nation... 1516 01:15:55,115 --> 01:15:57,596 we are capable of doing difficult things 1517 01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,555 and move forward and do it. 1518 01:15:59,598 --> 01:16:03,036 We need to bring America's character 1519 01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:05,691 to bear on America's frontier. 1520 01:16:06,736 --> 01:16:08,128 And if we do that... 1521 01:16:10,348 --> 01:16:13,917 there is no limit to what we can accomplish. 1522 01:16:14,961 --> 01:16:17,703 We were given the Apollo program 1523 01:16:17,747 --> 01:16:19,618 because of a set of challenges 1524 01:16:19,662 --> 01:16:22,665 that a very young president faced. 1525 01:16:22,708 --> 01:16:24,884 We were fortunate at that time 1526 01:16:24,928 --> 01:16:26,712 we had the articulators. 1527 01:16:26,756 --> 01:16:29,019 We had the Von Brauns and the Lows 1528 01:16:29,062 --> 01:16:31,935 and the gurus who were capable of going up 1529 01:16:31,978 --> 01:16:34,285 and basically talking to this president 1530 01:16:34,328 --> 01:16:38,245 and talking to the US Congress and selling this program. 1531 01:16:38,289 --> 01:16:43,250 We need the people who have that fluency, that belief 1532 01:16:43,294 --> 01:16:46,689 and are willing to expend themselves in that cost. 1533 01:16:46,732 --> 01:16:48,125 During the Apollo era, 1534 01:16:48,168 --> 01:16:50,083 you didn't need government programs 1535 01:16:50,127 --> 01:16:51,432 trying to convince people 1536 01:16:51,476 --> 01:16:52,651 that doing science and engineering 1537 01:16:52,695 --> 01:16:54,348 was good for the country. 1538 01:16:54,392 --> 01:16:56,394 It was self-evident. 1539 01:16:56,437 --> 01:16:59,832 Maybe we need a department of future thinkers... 1540 01:17:01,573 --> 01:17:04,794 who aren't thinking, "Will I get reelected this November?" 1541 01:17:04,837 --> 01:17:08,667 Who aren't thinking, "Can we afford this now? 1542 01:17:08,711 --> 01:17:11,148 Are these other problems I have to solve?" No. 1543 01:17:11,191 --> 01:17:13,977 We need like a new presidential cabinet position: 1544 01:17:14,020 --> 01:17:16,153 the futurist. 1545 01:17:16,196 --> 01:17:19,765 They can help set priorities for how we invest 1546 01:17:19,809 --> 01:17:22,638 versus the return on that investment later on. 1547 01:17:24,683 --> 01:17:25,945 That's what we need. 1548 01:17:28,818 --> 01:17:30,776 We don't have that... 1549 01:17:30,820 --> 01:17:32,822 and I've been trying, but I've been failing, 1550 01:17:32,865 --> 01:17:34,867 so basically, I gave up. 1551 01:17:34,911 --> 01:17:36,869 Just going back to my lab. 1552 01:17:36,913 --> 01:17:39,785 I'm tired of screaming into people's ears. 1553 01:17:39,829 --> 01:17:41,047 What we got paid back for 1554 01:17:41,091 --> 01:17:43,397 were million of scientists, engineers, 1555 01:17:43,441 --> 01:17:46,139 doctors, medical researchers, inventors, okay? 1556 01:17:46,183 --> 01:17:47,619 Who are the people who created 1557 01:17:47,663 --> 01:17:49,316 the economic boom of the 1990s? 1558 01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:51,405 These 40-year-old techno billionaires 1559 01:17:51,449 --> 01:17:52,668 who built Silicon Valley. 1560 01:17:52,711 --> 01:17:54,539 These are the 12-year- olds of the 1960s. 1561 01:17:54,582 --> 01:17:59,283 Apollo worked because John F. Kennedy said in 1961, 1562 01:17:59,326 --> 01:18:02,808 "We are going to be on the moon by the end of the decade," 1563 01:18:02,852 --> 01:18:05,855 and while administrations changed in early 1969, 1564 01:18:05,898 --> 01:18:07,726 we were practically to the moon 1565 01:18:07,770 --> 01:18:10,903 and they weren't about to cancel that at that point. 1566 01:18:10,947 --> 01:18:14,037 If instead, Kennedy had said, "I think it'd be good idea 1567 01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,604 to go to the moon and we should do it by the year 2000," 1568 01:18:16,648 --> 01:18:19,085 we never would have made it to the moon. 1569 01:18:19,129 --> 01:18:20,957 It's not about the rocket equation. 1570 01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,089 It's not about physics. 1571 01:18:23,133 --> 01:18:27,311 We solve those issues every single day. 1572 01:18:27,354 --> 01:18:30,053 We have built a cage around our ideas. 1573 01:18:30,096 --> 01:18:33,926 We have built a cage around our future that says, "You cannot." 1574 01:18:33,970 --> 01:18:36,668 We are telling the generation that exists today 1575 01:18:36,712 --> 01:18:39,236 that they're going to have less... 1576 01:18:39,279 --> 01:18:40,803 that they should give up their dreams, 1577 01:18:40,846 --> 01:18:44,545 that their job is to save a planet that we've screwed up. 1578 01:18:44,589 --> 01:18:47,897 What really matters is that someday 1579 01:18:47,940 --> 01:18:49,768 there's a kid living on the moon, 1580 01:18:49,812 --> 01:18:51,030 there's a kid living in free space, 1581 01:18:51,074 --> 01:18:52,771 there's a kid living on Mars, 1582 01:18:52,815 --> 01:18:54,120 who looks back at the Earth and says, 1583 01:18:54,164 --> 01:18:55,469 "That's where we came from," 1584 01:18:55,513 --> 01:18:56,819 turns their head, looks the other way, 1585 01:18:56,862 --> 01:18:58,081 and says, "That's what we're going." 1586 01:18:58,124 --> 01:19:00,648 It will be a human endeavor. 1587 01:19:00,692 --> 01:19:03,260 It will bring out the best in humankind. 1588 01:19:03,303 --> 01:19:05,958 Space exploration has changed your life, 1589 01:19:06,002 --> 01:19:08,700 and it's made your life better. 1590 01:19:08,744 --> 01:19:12,051 The food you eat, your communication systems, 1591 01:19:12,095 --> 01:19:16,055 your transportation systems are all made better by space. 1592 01:19:16,099 --> 01:19:19,667 But deeper and bigger and more importantly, 1593 01:19:19,711 --> 01:19:23,933 your view of your relationship to the cosmos, 1594 01:19:23,976 --> 01:19:25,586 your place in space, 1595 01:19:25,630 --> 01:19:28,241 is fundamentally influenced by people 1596 01:19:28,285 --> 01:19:30,809 who have insisted that we explore space, 1597 01:19:30,853 --> 01:19:32,506 that we go over the horizon, 1598 01:19:32,550 --> 01:19:35,118 that we look beyond what we can see, 1599 01:19:35,161 --> 01:19:37,076 and that is all to the good 1600 01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,905 and it is in everyone's best interest to support it. 1601 01:19:41,864 --> 01:19:45,084 We cannot allow ourselves to settle 1602 01:19:45,128 --> 01:19:48,609 for the condition and the state that we are in today. 1603 01:19:48,653 --> 01:19:52,613 We have to become the foot soldiers in the fight for space, 1604 01:19:52,657 --> 01:19:54,833 and it has to apply to every person 1605 01:19:54,877 --> 01:19:58,097 who lives, works, and dreams of space, 1606 01:19:58,141 --> 01:19:59,664 and it's time to do it now. 1607 01:19:59,707 --> 01:20:02,710 [dramatic music] 1608 01:20:51,585 --> 01:20:54,806 [dramatic music] 1609 01:23:11,421 --> 01:23:15,773 [classical music] 1610 01:26:05,856 --> 01:26:08,859 [upbeat rock music] 1611 01:27:23,063 --> 01:27:25,979 [enchanting music] 1612 01:32:37,508 --> 01:32:39,597 -I got fired. -[Man] Really? 1613 01:32:39,641 --> 01:32:41,512 Yes, sir, out the door. 1614 01:32:41,556 --> 01:32:42,600 "We're not gonna fly you again. 1615 01:32:42,644 --> 01:32:43,949 We don't have a job for you." 1616 01:32:43,993 --> 01:32:45,864 They get tired of hearing this stuff, 1617 01:32:45,908 --> 01:32:47,997 and when you're jabbing them, the bureaucrats-- 1618 01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:49,868 you're jabbing them, 1619 01:32:49,912 --> 01:32:51,174 they've had enough. 120360

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