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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,001 --> 00:00:04,095 Narrator:. In the criminal justice system, the people are represented 2 00:00:04,009 --> 00:00:06,569 by two separate yet equally important groups- 3 00:00:06,506 --> 00:00:08,371 the police who investigate crime, 4 00:00:08,330 --> 00:00:11,299 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:11,210 --> 00:00:12,871 These are their stories. 6 00:00:15,915 --> 00:00:18,907 Protesters: Don't kill your baby! Abortion is a sin. 7 00:00:18,829 --> 00:00:21,957 Don't kill your baby! Abortion is a sin. 8 00:00:21,870 --> 00:00:23,838 Don't kill your baby! 9 00:00:23,790 --> 00:00:25,621 Abortion is a sin... 10 00:00:25,582 --> 00:00:27,311 Do they ever get bored? 11 00:00:27,279 --> 00:00:28,906 The True Believers? 12 00:00:28,879 --> 00:00:30,244 Not on your life. 13 00:00:31,887 --> 00:00:34,447 .. Abortion is a sin! Don't kill your babies! 14 00:00:34,384 --> 00:00:45,453 Abortion is a sin! Don't kill your babies! 15 00:00:45,042 --> 00:00:48,808 Abortion is a sin! Don't kill your babies... 16 00:00:54,517 --> 00:00:58,146 woman: Past 24 weeks? We can't help you. 17 00:00:58,037 --> 00:01:00,096 well, I'm not sure. 18 00:01:00,054 --> 00:01:01,521 Okay... 19 00:01:01,494 --> 00:01:03,462 fill this out and you can see the nurse. 20 00:01:03,415 --> 00:01:06,043 women's Choices. 21 00:01:05,975 --> 00:01:09,103 God, not again. 22 00:01:09,944 --> 00:01:12,003 So my father says, 23 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:14,394 "If you weren't a cop you would get a husband. 24 00:01:14,329 --> 00:01:15,990 who told you to be a cop?" 25 00:01:15,961 --> 00:01:18,122 My mother says, "I told her to be a cop 26 00:01:18,073 --> 00:01:21,167 so she wouldn't worry about getting a husband. " 27 00:01:21,082 --> 00:01:22,913 You could always marry me. 28 00:01:24,379 --> 00:01:26,677 You're not what my father had in mind. 29 00:01:26,619 --> 00:01:29,315 Radio: 29 Adam, respond to 312 West 19th 30 00:01:29,244 --> 00:01:32,077 Chelsea Women's Choices regarding bomb threat; advise. 31 00:01:31,997 --> 00:01:35,694 we are at that location and will advise further. 32 00:01:35,582 --> 00:01:37,072 Man: Come on, let's go. 33 00:01:37,983 --> 00:01:39,678 Easy, easy, easy. 34 00:01:39,647 --> 00:01:41,478 Don't panic. It will be all right. 35 00:01:41,439 --> 00:01:43,464 Take it easy. 36 00:01:43,424 --> 00:01:45,654 Out now! 37 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,192 That's everybody. 38 00:01:47,168 --> 00:01:48,567 Man: Come on, let's go. 39 00:03:23,222 --> 00:03:25,520 Officer:. Stay behind the barrier. 40 00:03:25,462 --> 00:03:28,556 I'm asking if you saw anybody carrying something- 41 00:03:28,471 --> 00:03:30,837 knapsack, package, a large bag- 42 00:03:30,776 --> 00:03:32,744 anything out of the ordinary. 43 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,592 Max: Yo! 44 00:03:37,817 --> 00:03:40,342 Good morning, Vietnam. what do we got? 45 00:03:40,282 --> 00:03:41,943 Your garden-variety lunatic 46 00:03:41,914 --> 00:03:43,745 blowing up a room with a lot of ladies in it. 47 00:03:43,706 --> 00:03:44,730 The bomb. 48 00:03:44,731 --> 00:03:47,029 Your basic type. 49 00:03:47,964 --> 00:03:49,522 Fertilizer and diesel? 50 00:03:49,499 --> 00:03:51,899 You got it. Amateur hour. 51 00:03:51,836 --> 00:03:54,930 The only thing I like more than a bomber is an amateur bomber. 52 00:03:54,844 --> 00:03:56,812 Timer? Quartz alarm clock. 53 00:03:56,765 --> 00:03:59,256 Straight out of "The Revolutionary Cookbook. " 54 00:03:59,197 --> 00:04:03,224 If that's the main course, I can't wait to see dessert. 55 00:04:03,103 --> 00:04:05,765 Yeah, well, there won't be any dessert for this one. 56 00:04:05,695 --> 00:04:08,095 Student ID. 57 00:04:08,031 --> 00:04:11,660 "University of Manhattan. " Sandra Turner. 58 00:04:11,553 --> 00:04:14,545 21-22, maybe. She was in the bathroom. 59 00:04:14,465 --> 00:04:16,592 was she here for an abortion? 60 00:04:16,546 --> 00:04:18,810 Doesn't play that way. 61 00:04:18,754 --> 00:04:21,689 She didn't sign in. Nobody saw her. 62 00:04:21,603 --> 00:04:23,696 It looks like she was the delivery girl, 63 00:04:23,651 --> 00:04:26,279 but she didn't get out quick enough. 64 00:04:26,212 --> 00:04:29,181 Put her right through the wall. 65 00:04:29,093 --> 00:04:30,788 we get calls all the time- 66 00:04:30,757 --> 00:04:32,884 false alarms, but still we get everybody out. 67 00:04:32,838 --> 00:04:35,306 Did you recognize the voice on the phone before? 68 00:04:35,238 --> 00:04:38,207 She only said "bomb. " How could I recognize her voice? 69 00:04:38,118 --> 00:04:40,279 what about the girl in the bathroom- Turner? 70 00:04:40,231 --> 00:04:41,425 Did she fill out a form? 71 00:04:43,432 --> 00:04:45,491 No way. I didn't see her. 72 00:04:45,448 --> 00:04:47,177 She wasn't a patient. 73 00:04:47,145 --> 00:04:49,409 They can't wait to talk to somebody. 74 00:04:49,353 --> 00:04:52,186 She must have carried the bomb in. 75 00:04:53,994 --> 00:04:56,462 what is wrong with these people? 76 00:04:56,394 --> 00:04:58,692 Sooner or later, it had to happen. 77 00:04:58,635 --> 00:05:02,833 As long as the courts refuse to act against abortion, 78 00:05:02,700 --> 00:05:03,962 there are going to be individuals- 79 00:05:03,948 --> 00:05:05,677 Are you defending these nuts? 80 00:05:05,644 --> 00:05:08,169 Come on. This ain't lone justice. 81 00:05:08,109 --> 00:05:10,009 It's a conspiracy. They can't stop abortion 82 00:05:09,966 --> 00:05:12,127 through the courts, so they'll bomb a few clinics. 83 00:05:12,078 --> 00:05:13,272 we don't know that. 84 00:05:13,262 --> 00:05:15,696 we don't? I don't remember reading anything 85 00:05:15,631 --> 00:05:17,792 about a cellular phone in the bathroom. 86 00:05:17,743 --> 00:05:20,678 Somebody called in a warning. Two people make a conspiracy. 87 00:05:20,592 --> 00:05:23,493 Look, all I'm saying is 88 00:05:23,409 --> 00:05:25,809 I understand why they're frustrated. 89 00:05:25,745 --> 00:05:28,305 Max, a girl is dead. 90 00:05:28,241 --> 00:05:29,708 She was 22 years old. 91 00:05:29,682 --> 00:05:31,946 Tell them to write their congressman, not throw bombs. 92 00:05:31,890 --> 00:05:35,326 I'm only saying they believe in something and they're angry. 93 00:05:35,219 --> 00:05:38,211 They're angry? So they send a girl in there with a bomb? 94 00:05:38,132 --> 00:05:41,590 In my book that is not frustration, that's murder. 95 00:05:46,070 --> 00:05:48,004 Eight bombings in the last seven months, 96 00:05:47,958 --> 00:05:49,255 all of them at night. 97 00:05:49,238 --> 00:05:51,900 None of them happened in the daytime. 98 00:05:51,831 --> 00:05:54,197 Nobody was hurt before either. 99 00:05:55,096 --> 00:05:58,293 we've got six active anti-abortion protest groups 100 00:05:58,201 --> 00:06:00,192 with offices in Manhattan. 101 00:06:02,713 --> 00:06:04,681 Let's see if the ME's got an ID, 102 00:06:04,633 --> 00:06:06,863 then we'll start on these. 103 00:06:06,810 --> 00:06:09,904 whatever she used did a real job on her. 104 00:06:09,819 --> 00:06:12,219 Anybody come to ID her? 105 00:06:12,155 --> 00:06:14,020 Nah. Logan: No prints? 106 00:06:13,979 --> 00:06:15,606 Epithelial layers gone. 107 00:06:15,580 --> 00:06:17,946 I could get better prints from charcoal. 108 00:06:17,885 --> 00:06:20,080 You'll have a preliminary report tomorrow, 109 00:06:20,029 --> 00:06:22,862 but there's not much doubt about the COD. 110 00:06:29,023 --> 00:06:31,014 That's it? Cash- no wallet? 111 00:06:30,976 --> 00:06:33,911 Just the university ID. 112 00:06:41,602 --> 00:06:43,968 Nobody on this student number. 113 00:06:43,906 --> 00:06:47,103 Logan: Try Tumer, Sandra. 114 00:06:48,516 --> 00:06:51,610 we haven't had six digit IDs in two years. 115 00:06:51,524 --> 00:06:54,721 Tumer, Samuel... 116 00:06:54,629 --> 00:06:56,563 Turner, Sheila... 117 00:06:56,518 --> 00:06:59,214 No Turner, Sandra. 118 00:06:59,142 --> 00:07:01,770 But this is the university's card? 119 00:07:01,702 --> 00:07:03,829 No, it isn't. 120 00:07:03,783 --> 00:07:06,411 This picture is... glued on. 121 00:07:06,343 --> 00:07:08,538 It's a fake. The real one's like a license, 122 00:07:08,488 --> 00:07:09,819 all one piece. 123 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,333 Back to square one. 124 00:07:13,289 --> 00:07:15,655 Let's hit some of those anti-abortion groups. 125 00:07:16,522 --> 00:07:19,491 0 for three. Number four - "women for Life," 126 00:07:19,403 --> 00:07:21,496 headed by Rose Schwimmer. 127 00:07:24,908 --> 00:07:27,934 Our battle isn't about restoring Central Park, 128 00:07:27,853 --> 00:07:31,220 or a 15C increase in the subway fare, 129 00:07:31,117 --> 00:07:33,881 or separating cans and bottles from our trash. 130 00:07:33,806 --> 00:07:35,774 It's about human life. 131 00:07:35,726 --> 00:07:38,388 Sometimes people go out of bounds. 132 00:07:38,318 --> 00:07:41,116 Do you ever go out of bounds? 133 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:42,871 All the time. 134 00:07:42,831 --> 00:07:44,355 That's why I'm here. 135 00:07:44,336 --> 00:07:45,963 You're here to break the law?. 136 00:07:45,937 --> 00:07:48,132 I'm here to stop the murder of babies. 137 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:49,877 Look, let's get this clear. 138 00:07:49,841 --> 00:07:53,242 Abortion is a right in this country! 139 00:07:53,138 --> 00:07:58,269 That clinic was performing a legal and medical procedure. 140 00:07:58,099 --> 00:08:00,363 They weren't murdering anything. 141 00:08:00,307 --> 00:08:03,276 Mrs. Schwimmer... 142 00:08:03,188 --> 00:08:04,655 a girl is dead. 143 00:08:04,629 --> 00:08:07,655 The clinic's just a couple of minutes from here. 144 00:08:07,573 --> 00:08:09,598 I'm horrified by what happened. 145 00:08:09,557 --> 00:08:12,617 But you sympathize, don't you? 146 00:08:12,534 --> 00:08:15,662 I mean, with people who bomb abortion clinics. 147 00:08:15,575 --> 00:08:19,136 I don't condone violence, but I understand. 148 00:08:19,032 --> 00:08:21,227 Does a woman named Sandra Turner 149 00:08:21,176 --> 00:08:22,643 belong to your group? 150 00:08:22,617 --> 00:08:25,643 would hand me that folder there, please? 151 00:08:26,553 --> 00:08:29,420 we have over 2,000 active members. 152 00:08:29,338 --> 00:08:32,171 And a couple thousand more come to our vigils, 153 00:08:32,090 --> 00:08:34,650 and send contributions. 154 00:08:35,612 --> 00:08:37,739 No Sandra Turner. 155 00:08:37,692 --> 00:08:40,525 Where were you when the bomb went off? 156 00:08:41,629 --> 00:08:43,096 why? 157 00:08:43,069 --> 00:08:45,594 People from your group were picketing that day. 158 00:08:45,533 --> 00:08:48,434 Am I a suspect, Detective? 159 00:08:51,071 --> 00:08:54,040 Lazy Jane's around the corner having tea. 160 00:08:56,224 --> 00:08:58,692 I guess when you go against the system the way we do, 161 00:08:58,624 --> 00:09:00,990 you're guilty until proven innocent. 162 00:09:03,106 --> 00:09:05,074 She comes every wednesday- 163 00:09:05,026 --> 00:09:06,653 Rose Schwimmer. 164 00:09:06,626 --> 00:09:08,821 She came in between 10:00 and 11:00. 165 00:09:08,771 --> 00:09:10,398 Are you sure of the time? 166 00:09:10,371 --> 00:09:12,134 why do you think it's called Lazy Jane's? 167 00:09:12,100 --> 00:09:13,897 I don't get in until 10:00. 168 00:09:13,860 --> 00:09:15,828 So what? She came right after you? 169 00:09:15,780 --> 00:09:17,543 15, 10:30. 170 00:09:17,509 --> 00:09:20,171 Her friend came in a couple of minutes later. 171 00:09:20,101 --> 00:09:22,501 The friend a regular, too? 172 00:09:22,438 --> 00:09:25,134 Semi- a couple times a month. 173 00:09:25,062 --> 00:09:27,292 You know the look- 174 00:09:27,239 --> 00:09:29,400 Raggedy Ann with a Bendel's charge card. 175 00:09:29,351 --> 00:09:31,649 She's a real pro-shopper. 176 00:09:31,592 --> 00:09:34,083 She had this big box with her. 177 00:09:34,024 --> 00:09:36,219 A box? She put right on the table. 178 00:09:36,169 --> 00:09:37,534 Can you believe that? 179 00:09:37,513 --> 00:09:40,482 I mean, it was the size of a toaster oven. 180 00:09:40,394 --> 00:09:42,362 I put it on the chair. 181 00:09:42,314 --> 00:09:44,714 This isn't a dinner. 182 00:09:45,899 --> 00:09:48,959 watch- five years they'll legalize drugs. 183 00:09:48,876 --> 00:09:50,844 Pfft! Maybe, maybe not. 184 00:09:50,796 --> 00:09:52,696 It's a great country, Max. 185 00:09:52,652 --> 00:09:54,620 You can do what you want, when you want, 186 00:09:54,573 --> 00:09:55,665 with who you want. 187 00:09:55,661 --> 00:09:57,754 which means if a woman wants an abortion, 188 00:09:57,709 --> 00:09:59,006 she can get one. 189 00:09:58,990 --> 00:10:00,548 Just because she was careless enough 190 00:10:00,527 --> 00:10:02,324 to get knocked up in the first place? 191 00:10:02,287 --> 00:10:04,881 what are you against, abortions or sex? 192 00:10:04,816 --> 00:10:06,408 Abortions. I like sex. 193 00:10:06,384 --> 00:10:10,582 So a 17-year-old should louse up her whole life by having a kid? 194 00:10:10,448 --> 00:10:13,542 17-year-olds shouldn't be doing what makes babies. 195 00:10:13,457 --> 00:10:14,947 And crooks shouldn't have guns. 196 00:10:14,930 --> 00:10:17,524 Get real. what they should be is more careful. 197 00:10:17,459 --> 00:10:20,292 Kids aren't careful, that's why they're kids. 198 00:10:23,251 --> 00:10:26,709 Mrs. Schwimmer didn't mention that she had tea 199 00:10:26,612 --> 00:10:28,876 with Ms. Toaster Oven. 200 00:10:28,821 --> 00:10:32,951 I get it. Now every pro-life protestor is a bomber. 201 00:10:33,814 --> 00:10:35,975 You agree with them, don't you? 202 00:10:37,046 --> 00:10:38,673 Okay, Don Juan... 203 00:10:38,647 --> 00:10:41,207 any of your girlfriends ever have an abortion? 204 00:10:42,071 --> 00:10:45,097 One ex-girlfriend, who's now married with two kids- 205 00:10:45,016 --> 00:10:46,950 neither of them mine. 206 00:10:55,162 --> 00:10:57,289 I really don't have time for this. 207 00:10:57,243 --> 00:11:00,576 I hate to bother you, but it is weird that no one saw her. 208 00:11:00,475 --> 00:11:03,035 Really? If I was planting a bomb, 209 00:11:02,972 --> 00:11:05,270 I'd sure try to be invisible. 210 00:11:05,213 --> 00:11:09,047 That's all the cards. There's no Sandra Turner. 211 00:11:08,925 --> 00:11:11,485 I told you- she didn't sign in. 212 00:11:11,422 --> 00:11:14,050 How much does an abortion cost? 213 00:11:13,983 --> 00:11:16,110 $300. 214 00:11:17,536 --> 00:11:20,801 $300- the price of a cheap mob hit. 215 00:11:20,704 --> 00:11:23,298 Hey, Max, look at that. 216 00:11:23,233 --> 00:11:25,793 Max: Yo! How many did they take away? 217 00:11:25,730 --> 00:11:28,221 12, 15. 218 00:11:28,161 --> 00:11:31,062 Let's go to the property clerk's office, 219 00:11:30,979 --> 00:11:33,311 and pick up the dead girl's keys. 220 00:11:38,917 --> 00:11:41,511 we got two right here. 221 00:11:41,445 --> 00:11:44,346 Ooh! whoa! 222 00:11:45,190 --> 00:11:47,158 How sweet it is. 223 00:11:47,110 --> 00:11:49,874 I could get used to driving this. 224 00:11:49,798 --> 00:11:52,528 On your salary you couldn't afford the repairs. 225 00:11:52,455 --> 00:11:55,913 On my salary I couldn't even afford the insurance. 226 00:11:55,816 --> 00:11:57,875 Bingo! 227 00:11:59,369 --> 00:12:02,236 "Chelsea women's Choices Center. " 228 00:12:02,154 --> 00:12:04,679 Let's get the Crime Scene Unit down here. 229 00:12:04,618 --> 00:12:06,916 Maybe we'll get lucky and pull some prints. 230 00:12:06,859 --> 00:12:08,690 Yeah. 231 00:12:08,651 --> 00:12:11,347 Come on. Don't give yourself an ulcer. 232 00:12:15,628 --> 00:12:17,357 422. 233 00:12:30,383 --> 00:12:33,079 Mr. Donovan? Yes. 234 00:12:33,008 --> 00:12:35,306 Sergeant Greevey, Detective Logan. 235 00:12:41,010 --> 00:12:42,773 when she didn't come home last night 236 00:12:42,739 --> 00:12:45,537 we tried to file a missing person report. 237 00:12:45,459 --> 00:12:47,620 They wouldn't take it. 238 00:12:47,571 --> 00:12:49,835 They said we had to wait two days. 239 00:13:13,081 --> 00:13:15,049 Our Father who art in heaven, 240 00:13:15,001 --> 00:13:16,298 hallowed be Thy name. 241 00:13:16,282 --> 00:13:18,250 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done 242 00:13:18,202 --> 00:13:20,363 on earth as it is heaven. 243 00:13:20,315 --> 00:13:21,782 Give us this day our daily bread, 244 00:13:21,755 --> 00:13:24,747 and forgive us, we forgive those who trespass against us. 245 00:13:30,237 --> 00:13:33,866 You daughter, did she belong to a right-to-life group? 246 00:13:33,758 --> 00:13:36,158 The thing about Mary- 247 00:13:36,094 --> 00:13:38,688 she loves kids. 248 00:13:38,623 --> 00:13:41,251 That's why she teaches. 249 00:13:41,183 --> 00:13:44,550 Did Mary ever mention women for Life? 250 00:13:44,448 --> 00:13:47,178 Mr. Donovan: She was sympathetic to their work, ideals. 251 00:13:47,105 --> 00:13:50,632 we all are. Did anyone call the school and tell them that- 252 00:13:50,529 --> 00:13:53,498 Mary wouldn't be in today? It's okay, Barbara. 253 00:13:54,338 --> 00:13:57,865 Couldn't Mary have, without your knowledge- 254 00:13:57,763 --> 00:13:59,526 Mary didn't keep secrets from us. 255 00:14:03,557 --> 00:14:06,424 we know how hard it is, 256 00:14:06,342 --> 00:14:08,310 but we'd like to look at Mary's room. 257 00:14:08,262 --> 00:14:11,425 Mary has a thing about privacy. 258 00:14:11,334 --> 00:14:12,892 Barbara... 259 00:14:12,870 --> 00:14:16,738 it doesn't matter if they go into her room now. 260 00:14:20,489 --> 00:14:22,116 "The Lives of The Saints. " 261 00:14:23,145 --> 00:14:25,204 22 years old. 262 00:14:25,161 --> 00:14:28,153 who sends a kid to deliver a bomb? 263 00:14:30,187 --> 00:14:32,052 Maybe it was her own idea. 264 00:14:32,011 --> 00:14:33,979 Yeah? 265 00:14:33,932 --> 00:14:35,900 who taught her how to make one? 266 00:14:35,852 --> 00:14:37,843 whoever it was, 267 00:14:37,804 --> 00:14:39,829 they should have taught her about timers. 268 00:14:39,789 --> 00:14:42,656 The mother seems to be taking it pretty hard. 269 00:14:42,574 --> 00:14:44,542 It's gonna take awhile. 270 00:14:44,494 --> 00:14:47,361 what? To realize that her daughter is dead? 271 00:14:47,279 --> 00:14:49,611 To realize she didn't die with her. 272 00:14:49,551 --> 00:14:53,578 The father doesn't seem to be having that problem. 273 00:14:53,455 --> 00:14:54,979 That's because... 274 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:56,928 he didn't lose a daughter, 275 00:14:56,881 --> 00:14:58,872 he gained a martyr. 276 00:15:01,874 --> 00:15:03,307 Hey. 277 00:15:04,210 --> 00:15:07,577 Looks like the brother owns a lumber company. 278 00:15:08,595 --> 00:15:11,120 Lumber- construction. 279 00:15:11,060 --> 00:15:13,722 Construction- explosives. 280 00:15:14,932 --> 00:15:17,594 Anything you can tell us about Mary's friends, 281 00:15:17,525 --> 00:15:20,050 teachers she was close to? 282 00:15:20,854 --> 00:15:24,085 My father... 283 00:15:23,990 --> 00:15:27,289 poured himself a cup of coffee this morning. 284 00:15:27,191 --> 00:15:29,921 Put in milk, sugar, walked over to the sink, 285 00:15:29,848 --> 00:15:31,816 poured it down the drain. 286 00:15:31,768 --> 00:15:34,236 He didn't knowwhat the hell he was doing. 287 00:15:34,169 --> 00:15:37,229 I got on the West Side Highway on my way here- 288 00:15:37,146 --> 00:15:39,114 I forgot to get off. 289 00:15:39,066 --> 00:15:41,694 went the whole way to 96th Street. 290 00:15:43,163 --> 00:15:45,631 Just like that, I had a sister 291 00:15:45,563 --> 00:15:47,394 and now I don't. 292 00:15:48,412 --> 00:15:50,539 Is there only the two of you? 293 00:15:50,493 --> 00:15:53,656 Mary always said she would have a big family. 294 00:15:53,565 --> 00:15:57,001 what about these anti-abortion groups? 295 00:15:56,894 --> 00:15:59,055 She loved kids. 296 00:15:59,006 --> 00:16:00,997 Did she belong to any organized groups? 297 00:16:02,495 --> 00:16:03,621 Mr. Donovan, 298 00:16:03,615 --> 00:16:05,207 bombing is a felony. 299 00:16:05,184 --> 00:16:07,277 Fine! I think Mary's paid for her crime in full, 300 00:16:07,232 --> 00:16:08,460 don't you, Detective? 301 00:16:08,448 --> 00:16:11,178 we don't happen to think she was in this alone. 302 00:16:11,105 --> 00:16:13,073 Don't you want the people 303 00:16:13,026 --> 00:16:15,051 who helped to kill your sister to pay, too? 304 00:16:16,675 --> 00:16:18,768 If she was the member of a group, 305 00:16:18,723 --> 00:16:20,850 she never mentioned it to me. 306 00:16:22,436 --> 00:16:25,098 They might know more at school- Saint Aloysius. 307 00:16:27,141 --> 00:16:30,008 Some people take a long time to grow up. 308 00:16:29,925 --> 00:16:31,051 Have a seat. 309 00:16:33,958 --> 00:16:37,894 They still believe in hearts and flowers, 310 00:16:37,767 --> 00:16:39,962 and Mom never looks at another guy- 311 00:16:39,912 --> 00:16:42,312 Dad doesn't cheat on his income tax. 312 00:16:42,248 --> 00:16:46,582 For 22, Mary was... young. 313 00:16:46,441 --> 00:16:49,137 Young enough to let somebody talk her into throwing a bomb? 314 00:16:50,089 --> 00:16:52,819 Gentlemen, a parochial school like this- 315 00:16:52,746 --> 00:16:55,044 it's another century. 316 00:16:54,987 --> 00:16:56,750 Mary was a sweet kid. 317 00:16:56,715 --> 00:16:59,707 She believed the whole world was parochial school, 318 00:16:59,628 --> 00:17:01,687 that all the problems could be solved 319 00:17:01,644 --> 00:17:03,669 with pure thoughts and a rosary. 320 00:17:03,629 --> 00:17:05,256 Logan: Did, uh... 321 00:17:05,229 --> 00:17:07,561 did you know she wasn't gonna be here yesterday? 322 00:17:07,502 --> 00:17:08,935 Day off. 323 00:17:08,910 --> 00:17:10,275 Regular day off? 324 00:17:11,247 --> 00:17:13,511 No. Do you know how hard it is 325 00:17:13,455 --> 00:17:15,082 to get good teachers these days? 326 00:17:15,055 --> 00:17:17,353 They ask for a day off, they get it. 327 00:17:17,296 --> 00:17:20,231 Did she happen to tell you why? 328 00:17:20,145 --> 00:17:22,113 well, she had been upset. 329 00:17:22,065 --> 00:17:24,659 I figured it was her boyfriend, Patrick Dunn. 330 00:17:24,594 --> 00:17:27,654 He teaches here, eighth grade Latin. 331 00:17:27,570 --> 00:17:30,038 Last week they had an argument in the hallway 332 00:17:29,970 --> 00:17:31,437 in front of the kids. 333 00:17:31,411 --> 00:17:34,847 I had to tell them "This is not appropriate behavior. " 334 00:17:34,740 --> 00:17:36,765 She shouldn't have been there. 335 00:17:37,652 --> 00:17:38,880 It's crazy. 336 00:17:38,868 --> 00:17:40,597 So, Patrick... 337 00:17:40,565 --> 00:17:44,365 this fight you had last week, what was that all about? 338 00:17:44,246 --> 00:17:46,737 Some article in "The Times. " 339 00:17:46,679 --> 00:17:49,807 Connecticut's abortion law... 340 00:17:49,719 --> 00:17:51,778 Mary hated abortion. 341 00:17:51,736 --> 00:17:53,101 Hated it. 342 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:54,570 You? 343 00:17:54,552 --> 00:17:56,281 why? 344 00:17:58,777 --> 00:18:01,541 Personally, I think it's a sin, 345 00:18:01,465 --> 00:18:03,433 and I think it's immoral. 346 00:18:03,386 --> 00:18:05,081 But I live in the real world. 347 00:18:06,491 --> 00:18:10,018 Did she ever mention a woman named Rose Schwimmer? 348 00:18:11,196 --> 00:18:13,221 women for Life. 349 00:18:13,180 --> 00:18:15,648 Everyone knows who she is. 350 00:18:15,581 --> 00:18:19,278 If you're asking whether I carry false identification, Detective, 351 00:18:19,166 --> 00:18:20,793 the answer is no. 352 00:18:20,766 --> 00:18:22,495 I'm proud of what I do. 353 00:18:22,463 --> 00:18:24,363 Anybody in your group have any? 354 00:18:24,319 --> 00:18:26,310 Please. Thank you. 355 00:18:28,256 --> 00:18:30,247 This movement attracts 356 00:18:30,208 --> 00:18:32,199 deeply committed individuals. 357 00:18:33,409 --> 00:18:35,104 They get arrested. 358 00:18:36,193 --> 00:18:38,957 Some carry false identification and jump bail. 359 00:18:38,882 --> 00:18:40,509 And Mary Donovan? 360 00:18:40,482 --> 00:18:43,178 Obviously, deeply committed. 361 00:18:43,107 --> 00:18:45,302 But you didn't even know her. 362 00:18:45,252 --> 00:18:47,584 No, I didn't. 363 00:18:48,772 --> 00:18:51,138 But what I do know is Mary Donovan, 364 00:18:51,076 --> 00:18:55,172 whoever she was, sacrificed herself to save the unborn. 365 00:18:55,046 --> 00:18:57,344 Hundreds of them. 366 00:18:57,286 --> 00:18:59,379 I don't approve of her methods, 367 00:18:59,334 --> 00:19:01,495 but I applaud her results. 368 00:19:01,447 --> 00:19:04,348 The day of the bombing when you had brunch, 369 00:19:04,263 --> 00:19:07,027 you didn't mention someone else being there... 370 00:19:06,952 --> 00:19:10,046 who happened to be carrying a large package. 371 00:19:12,394 --> 00:19:14,988 This morning I had breakfast with my sister. 372 00:19:14,922 --> 00:19:17,186 She carried an umbrella. 373 00:19:17,131 --> 00:19:18,826 I didn't tell you that either. 374 00:19:18,795 --> 00:19:21,093 we're just trying to do our job here. 375 00:19:21,036 --> 00:19:24,062 we have to verify alibis. 376 00:19:23,980 --> 00:19:26,005 I had brunch with an associate, 377 00:19:25,964 --> 00:19:27,659 Celeste McClure. 378 00:19:29,774 --> 00:19:31,799 Um, this Ms. McClure, 379 00:19:31,757 --> 00:19:33,725 you knowwhere we can find her? 380 00:19:33,678 --> 00:19:35,305 Today? 381 00:19:35,279 --> 00:19:37,270 Probably at the community garden, 382 00:19:37,231 --> 00:19:38,926 near the stables on 89th Street. 383 00:19:38,895 --> 00:19:41,363 Just came from the printer. 384 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:44,975 Great, isn't it? 385 00:19:46,065 --> 00:19:48,033 It's wonderful. 386 00:19:49,201 --> 00:19:51,192 Depends on what you're selling. 387 00:19:53,427 --> 00:19:55,258 You're mistaken, Detective. 388 00:19:55,219 --> 00:19:56,846 I didn't know Mary Donovan. 389 00:19:56,820 --> 00:19:59,118 But I wish I had. 390 00:19:59,060 --> 00:20:02,223 what she did makes me proud. 391 00:20:02,132 --> 00:20:03,827 Throwing a bomb? 392 00:20:03,796 --> 00:20:06,560 Innocent people could have been killed. 393 00:20:06,485 --> 00:20:08,510 In that building 394 00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:11,234 before Mary Donovan threw that bomb 395 00:20:11,159 --> 00:20:14,219 unborn babies were being killed every day. 396 00:20:14,135 --> 00:20:17,502 At Lazy Jane's, when you had brunch with Rose Schwimmer, 397 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,129 what was in the box you had? 398 00:20:19,096 --> 00:20:21,462 Leaflets... 399 00:20:21,401 --> 00:20:22,698 for protestors. 400 00:20:22,681 --> 00:20:25,707 I'm trying to save lives. You're supposed to save lives. 401 00:20:25,626 --> 00:20:26,923 we're investigating- 402 00:20:26,906 --> 00:20:30,034 A woman who gave her life in the only cause that counts! 403 00:20:29,947 --> 00:20:32,745 Nobody's- You wear a wedding ring. 404 00:20:32,667 --> 00:20:34,532 Do you have children? 405 00:20:35,420 --> 00:20:38,548 would you want your daughter or your wife 406 00:20:38,461 --> 00:20:40,656 to have an abortion? 407 00:20:40,605 --> 00:20:42,266 No. 408 00:20:42,238 --> 00:20:45,173 But I wouldn't want them tossing bombs either. 409 00:20:47,999 --> 00:20:49,967 If you don't have any more questions, 410 00:20:49,919 --> 00:20:51,910 I have work to do. 411 00:20:59,234 --> 00:21:01,065 Hmm, ammonium nitrate. 412 00:21:01,026 --> 00:21:04,462 Now, all she needs is the diesel fuel. 413 00:21:04,354 --> 00:21:07,846 Hey, you know, that's a good question she asked about your daughter. 414 00:21:07,747 --> 00:21:09,578 Suppose some boyfriend knocked her up? 415 00:21:09,540 --> 00:21:13,067 Look! we are not investigating my daughter, 416 00:21:12,964 --> 00:21:15,762 my sex life with my wife, or my opinions on contraception. 417 00:21:15,685 --> 00:21:18,483 we are investigating the bombing of an abortion clinic. 418 00:21:18,405 --> 00:21:20,703 Let's just stick to the job, all right? 419 00:21:25,639 --> 00:21:27,607 Peterson's 121 nitrate. 420 00:21:27,559 --> 00:21:29,823 where did you get that? 421 00:21:29,768 --> 00:21:31,793 what, I don't look like I have a green thumb to you? 422 00:21:31,752 --> 00:21:33,720 You must be one hell of a gardener. 423 00:21:33,673 --> 00:21:35,698 Do you grow palm trees in your backyard? 424 00:21:35,657 --> 00:21:37,625 This stuff is for tropical plants. 425 00:21:37,578 --> 00:21:38,806 New York? 426 00:21:38,794 --> 00:21:40,785 A big item in Hawaii. 427 00:21:46,795 --> 00:21:49,059 Quite a record Mrs. Schwimmer's got here. 428 00:21:49,005 --> 00:21:53,305 Trespassing, disturbing the peace... 429 00:21:53,165 --> 00:21:55,292 harassment. 430 00:21:55,245 --> 00:21:57,736 For such a non-violent person 431 00:21:57,678 --> 00:21:59,509 she sure does get around. 432 00:21:59,471 --> 00:22:02,304 I've seen armed robbers who've got shorter rap sheets than this. 433 00:22:02,223 --> 00:22:05,989 McClure's got nothing but a dismissed trespass. 434 00:22:05,872 --> 00:22:09,467 It's a big step from there to armed robbery. 435 00:22:09,393 --> 00:22:11,486 Yeah, well, Donovan's completely clean. 436 00:22:11,442 --> 00:22:13,273 She doesn't even have a traffic ticket. 437 00:22:13,233 --> 00:22:15,861 But she was willing to go all the way up to arson and murder 438 00:22:15,795 --> 00:22:17,660 even with Mr. Clean for her boyfriend. 439 00:22:17,619 --> 00:22:21,385 The methods are wrong, but they're trying to prevent murder. 440 00:22:21,267 --> 00:22:22,427 Spare me the rhetoric. 441 00:22:22,420 --> 00:22:24,786 I don't consider abortion murder. 442 00:22:24,724 --> 00:22:27,158 If a woman wants one, that's her right to choose- 443 00:22:27,093 --> 00:22:30,927 not yours, not mine and certainly not Ms. Rose Schwimmer. 444 00:22:30,806 --> 00:22:32,364 I don't care what you believe, 445 00:22:32,342 --> 00:22:36,403 trying to prevent abortions by bombing goes way too far. 446 00:22:36,279 --> 00:22:38,440 I don't even know how you can sit here and defend it. 447 00:22:38,391 --> 00:22:40,416 You and I both know they didn't mean to hurt anybody! 448 00:22:40,376 --> 00:22:42,776 No, I don't know that, okay?! 449 00:22:42,712 --> 00:22:45,306 Only an idiot thinks bombs don't hurt people. 450 00:22:45,241 --> 00:22:46,538 Come on, tell me more! 451 00:22:46,521 --> 00:22:48,284 Lab report just came in. 452 00:22:48,249 --> 00:22:50,444 Fertilizer's a match on the bomb 453 00:22:50,394 --> 00:22:52,419 and they got a bunch of good latent prints on the bag- 454 00:22:52,379 --> 00:22:54,006 all the same woman. 455 00:22:53,979 --> 00:22:56,277 And they're a match for the parcel on the bomb fragment. 456 00:22:56,220 --> 00:22:59,917 If you two could manage not to kill each other 457 00:22:59,804 --> 00:23:03,535 maybe you could pick up McClure and see if her prints match. 458 00:23:11,615 --> 00:23:13,810 we're not saying it's a slam dunk. 459 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,025 Slam dunk? A bag of fertilizer and a couple of prints? 460 00:23:16,928 --> 00:23:18,225 Right now, I'd have a hard time 461 00:23:18,209 --> 00:23:20,302 of convicting Celeste McClure of bad gardening. 462 00:23:20,257 --> 00:23:22,225 I'm trying to make this work beyond just an indictment. 463 00:23:22,177 --> 00:23:23,667 You don't like it? Don't file. 464 00:23:23,649 --> 00:23:25,514 That's just fine with me. 465 00:23:25,474 --> 00:23:28,238 Are you in favor of people planting bombs, Sergeant? 466 00:23:28,163 --> 00:23:29,824 Careful, Counselor. 467 00:23:29,794 --> 00:23:32,786 All I'm saying is that these women are true believers. 468 00:23:32,708 --> 00:23:36,075 And so far, they've hurt no one but each other. 469 00:23:35,972 --> 00:23:38,133 Yeah. Talk about dumb luck. 470 00:23:40,613 --> 00:23:42,604 Gentlemen. 471 00:23:47,334 --> 00:23:50,098 McClure made the bomb. Donovan muled it. 472 00:23:50,023 --> 00:23:51,388 Schwimmer ordered it. 473 00:23:51,367 --> 00:23:52,994 You want my advice? 474 00:23:52,968 --> 00:23:54,731 Offer McClure a plea. She'll take it. 475 00:23:54,697 --> 00:23:56,688 She wants to be a martyr. 476 00:23:58,377 --> 00:24:01,403 Man: Celeste McClure, the charges are 477 00:24:01,322 --> 00:24:02,914 conspiracy in the third degree, 478 00:24:02,890 --> 00:24:05,188 reckless endangerment in the second degree, 479 00:24:05,131 --> 00:24:07,497 arson in the second degree. 480 00:24:07,436 --> 00:24:09,870 How does the defendant plead on the first count? 481 00:24:09,804 --> 00:24:11,772 Not guilty on all counts, Your Honor. 482 00:24:11,724 --> 00:24:14,284 we request release of the defendant on her own recognizance. 483 00:24:14,220 --> 00:24:16,188 Based upon what, Mr. Ballard? 484 00:24:16,141 --> 00:24:18,871 These are two serious felony charges here. 485 00:24:18,798 --> 00:24:21,494 Based on the fact that this is a political prosecution. 486 00:24:21,423 --> 00:24:24,449 You're not on trial yet, Counselor. 487 00:24:24,367 --> 00:24:26,335 Your Honor, if it please the court, 488 00:24:26,288 --> 00:24:29,052 Ms. McClure is a young woman with no previous criminal record 489 00:24:28,976 --> 00:24:30,466 and close ties to the community. 490 00:24:30,448 --> 00:24:32,006 Mr. Stone? 491 00:24:31,985 --> 00:24:34,783 The People have no objection to minimum bail, Your Honor. 492 00:24:34,705 --> 00:24:38,232 Then bail is set at $10,000 cash or bond. 493 00:24:38,130 --> 00:24:39,654 Short date. 494 00:24:42,099 --> 00:24:44,226 Ballard: Thanks for the bail recommendation. 495 00:24:44,179 --> 00:24:45,476 Stone: Not at all, sir. 496 00:24:45,460 --> 00:24:47,087 Martyrs don't run. 497 00:24:47,060 --> 00:24:49,358 Ballard: How can you allow yourself to be used like this? 498 00:24:49,300 --> 00:24:52,463 If you're gonna stick your finger in my eye, Mr. Ballard, 499 00:24:52,373 --> 00:24:54,398 clean your own nails first. 500 00:24:54,358 --> 00:24:56,451 It seems to me the only reason for this prosecution 501 00:24:56,407 --> 00:24:58,807 is to make the right-to-life movement look bad. 502 00:24:58,742 --> 00:25:00,369 That'll get you in the papers, 503 00:25:00,343 --> 00:25:02,436 but it won't help your client and it's not true. 504 00:25:02,391 --> 00:25:04,882 McClure didn't plant that bomb, 505 00:25:04,824 --> 00:25:05,916 Mary Donovan did. 506 00:25:05,912 --> 00:25:07,243 McClure made the bomb. 507 00:25:07,224 --> 00:25:09,624 The best you can get, if you believe she's guilty- 508 00:25:09,561 --> 00:25:11,358 j j conspiracy six, arson four. 509 00:25:11,321 --> 00:25:13,949 Are you accusing me of filing inflated charges? 510 00:25:13,882 --> 00:25:16,373 I'm only saying you're gonna cost the state a lot of money 511 00:25:16,315 --> 00:25:18,283 merely to get her on probation. 512 00:25:18,235 --> 00:25:21,170 If probation will keep a bomb out of that woman's hands, it's worth the money. 513 00:25:21,083 --> 00:25:22,812 These people aren't criminals. 514 00:25:22,780 --> 00:25:24,941 what are they, Mary Poppins, Mother Teresa? 515 00:25:24,893 --> 00:25:27,760 They are exercising their right of free speech. 516 00:25:27,677 --> 00:25:30,111 Throwing a bomb is a little non-verbal 517 00:25:30,046 --> 00:25:32,207 to qualify as speech, sir. 518 00:25:33,118 --> 00:25:35,518 Are you sure you don't want to recuse yourself? 519 00:25:35,455 --> 00:25:37,184 That's insulting. 520 00:25:37,151 --> 00:25:40,348 I'm personally against abortion means I can't prosecute a bomber? 521 00:25:40,256 --> 00:25:42,121 what I believe doesn't matter. 522 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,479 I represent the law. 523 00:25:43,457 --> 00:25:44,981 Amazing. 524 00:25:44,961 --> 00:25:47,452 I'm getting angry. 525 00:25:47,394 --> 00:25:50,363 The most emotional issue 526 00:25:50,274 --> 00:25:53,869 that the law has dealt with since suffrage. 527 00:25:53,763 --> 00:25:56,129 Look at us. Three men... 528 00:25:56,067 --> 00:25:59,230 talking about what rights women should have 529 00:25:59,140 --> 00:26:00,767 over their own bodies. 530 00:26:00,741 --> 00:26:03,505 Doesn't that strike you as a little one-sided? 531 00:26:03,429 --> 00:26:05,056 Adam, I have already told you 532 00:26:05,030 --> 00:26:08,989 my personal feelings have no impact on my ability to prosecute a criminal case. 533 00:26:08,871 --> 00:26:12,204 And I have never said that a woman does not have the right to choose. 534 00:26:12,103 --> 00:26:14,128 Adam: Fine. Wonderful. 535 00:26:14,087 --> 00:26:18,148 Are you feeling shaky on that conspiracy charge? 536 00:26:18,025 --> 00:26:21,461 You better tie the bomb maker to the bomber 537 00:26:21,353 --> 00:26:23,321 with a little more than what you got there. 538 00:26:23,274 --> 00:26:25,265 we prove McClure made the bomb, 539 00:26:25,226 --> 00:26:26,784 Donovan delivered it. 540 00:26:26,763 --> 00:26:28,196 what about Schwimmer? 541 00:26:28,171 --> 00:26:29,934 That's flimsy. 542 00:26:29,899 --> 00:26:32,891 And it's risky. we tie her into the picture, it doesn't work- 543 00:26:32,812 --> 00:26:35,178 I wouldn't go even for an indictment with what we got now. 544 00:26:35,116 --> 00:26:38,882 But? It is a conspiracy, and I want to make it stick! 545 00:26:38,765 --> 00:26:40,460 Forensics ever send over a print report? 546 00:26:40,429 --> 00:26:41,862 Finally. There's another set of prints 547 00:26:41,837 --> 00:26:44,465 along with Mary Donovan's on that counterfeit ID card. 548 00:26:44,398 --> 00:26:46,366 we don't figure out who they belong to, 549 00:26:46,319 --> 00:26:48,685 Ballard will say someone else was in league with Mary. 550 00:26:48,623 --> 00:26:50,921 Get a print work-up on everybody who knew her. 551 00:26:50,864 --> 00:26:52,695 You argue with Schiff a lot on this. 552 00:26:52,656 --> 00:26:55,284 Yeah. Do you agree with him? That's not an issue for me. 553 00:26:55,217 --> 00:26:57,344 I'm not for abortion, I'm for birth control. 554 00:26:57,297 --> 00:26:59,595 I got your fertilizer. Make me happy. 555 00:26:59,537 --> 00:27:02,005 McClure bought one bag from the same supplier 556 00:27:01,938 --> 00:27:03,906 who sells to the community garden. 557 00:27:03,859 --> 00:27:06,191 Ordered it herself. She didn't happen to sign...? 558 00:27:07,411 --> 00:27:09,402 You just made me very happy. 559 00:27:10,324 --> 00:27:12,758 The only deal we're interested in 560 00:27:12,693 --> 00:27:14,991 is you drop everything. Don't even go to the grand jury. 561 00:27:14,933 --> 00:27:17,561 Put your emotions in your briefcase for a couple of minutes. 562 00:27:17,494 --> 00:27:19,860 This case is about emotion. 563 00:27:19,798 --> 00:27:22,460 I hope you know your law better than that, Mr. Ballard. 564 00:27:22,391 --> 00:27:23,949 I know juries are swayed by it. 565 00:27:23,927 --> 00:27:26,054 It's your gamble, Mr. Ballard. 566 00:27:27,192 --> 00:27:30,923 Ms. McClure, you and Mary Donovan bombed a clinic. 567 00:27:30,808 --> 00:27:33,333 Mary Donovan is dead and you're not. 568 00:27:43,259 --> 00:27:45,887 She's a nice, young lady. She made a mistake. 569 00:27:45,820 --> 00:27:49,187 I hope you're not going to let her take the fall all by herself. 570 00:27:49,085 --> 00:27:51,553 All she has to do is name who ordered it. 571 00:27:51,485 --> 00:27:54,921 It doesn't matter what happens to me. 572 00:27:54,814 --> 00:27:57,180 The babies matter. 573 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,418 Arson in the second degree is a class "B" felony. 574 00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:03,982 I assume Mr. Ballard told you the sentence if you're convicted? 575 00:28:03,872 --> 00:28:05,305 Six years in jail. 576 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,407 Six years in prison, Ms. McClure. 577 00:28:09,313 --> 00:28:11,781 May we leave now, Mr. Ballard? 578 00:28:22,501 --> 00:28:24,264 23 years old. 579 00:28:24,228 --> 00:28:27,197 She can't even imagine what six years of hard time is like. 580 00:28:27,109 --> 00:28:29,236 Somebody's using her. 581 00:28:29,189 --> 00:28:30,520 Schwimmer? 582 00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:33,398 An hour ago, I didn't know, 583 00:28:33,351 --> 00:28:34,978 but now, even money. 584 00:28:34,951 --> 00:28:37,215 Still, it usually doesn't work this way. 585 00:28:37,159 --> 00:28:39,787 Usually the criminal doesn't want to go to jail. 586 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:40,880 McClure does. 587 00:28:40,872 --> 00:28:43,636 She'll become a martyr. She'll never give up on Schwimmer. 588 00:28:43,561 --> 00:28:45,188 She won't give anybody. 589 00:28:45,161 --> 00:28:48,619 Except herself. It's about morality for her, not legal compromise. 590 00:28:48,522 --> 00:28:50,490 So why don't we turn this thing around? 591 00:28:50,443 --> 00:28:52,172 Let's try a reverse. 592 00:28:52,139 --> 00:28:55,597 I'm not part of any conspiracy, Mr. Robinette. 593 00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:57,468 You understand, Ms. Schwimmer, 594 00:28:57,420 --> 00:29:00,389 we're going to request the maximum sentence for Celeste McClure? 595 00:29:00,301 --> 00:29:02,792 You might ask your attorney what that means. 596 00:29:02,733 --> 00:29:04,701 First you have to get a conviction- 597 00:29:04,653 --> 00:29:06,678 with very thin evidence. 598 00:29:06,638 --> 00:29:09,038 Evidence we think a jury will find convincing. 599 00:29:08,975 --> 00:29:11,671 Celeste McClure will go to prison 600 00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:13,567 for a long time. 601 00:29:13,519 --> 00:29:16,852 Lawyer:. People in this state would never forget her. 602 00:29:16,752 --> 00:29:19,721 Fine. Make her a martyr. 603 00:29:19,633 --> 00:29:22,864 But Celeste McClure is a young kid. 604 00:29:22,770 --> 00:29:25,762 Are you going to let her rot behind bars? 605 00:29:26,610 --> 00:29:30,341 Rose, don't say anything until we've talked. 606 00:29:30,227 --> 00:29:32,593 This meeting is over. 607 00:29:35,573 --> 00:29:37,598 Robinette: You never heard their names mentioned? 608 00:29:37,556 --> 00:29:40,684 Schwimmer or McClure? 609 00:29:40,597 --> 00:29:42,224 Never. 610 00:29:42,198 --> 00:29:45,292 Anything you remember about the day of the bombing? 611 00:29:45,207 --> 00:29:48,734 Anything you've thought about since you talked with the police? 612 00:29:48,631 --> 00:29:51,828 Barbara: Mary said she was taking the day off- 613 00:29:51,736 --> 00:29:53,795 shopping. 614 00:29:53,753 --> 00:29:57,245 Patrick, her boyfriend, he came to drive her to school. 615 00:29:57,145 --> 00:30:00,740 They had an argument outside. 616 00:30:00,634 --> 00:30:02,898 Couples have arguments. 617 00:30:02,842 --> 00:30:04,810 It was serious enough, Jeffrey, 618 00:30:04,763 --> 00:30:06,424 for Kevin to try to break it up. 619 00:30:07,323 --> 00:30:10,087 Your son here that early in the morning a lot? 620 00:30:10,012 --> 00:30:11,809 Jeffrey: He stops by occasionally. 621 00:30:11,772 --> 00:30:13,399 Not that often. 622 00:30:13,373 --> 00:30:15,341 What was the argument about? 623 00:30:15,294 --> 00:30:17,660 Something Patrick had with him. 624 00:30:17,598 --> 00:30:19,293 Nothing. 625 00:30:19,262 --> 00:30:21,560 An envelope. Nothing? 626 00:30:21,503 --> 00:30:23,494 So why did we hear them yelling? 627 00:30:24,831 --> 00:30:27,061 Our daughter did what she did 628 00:30:27,008 --> 00:30:29,568 out of her own conscience. 629 00:30:29,504 --> 00:30:31,972 we can live with that. 630 00:30:31,905 --> 00:30:33,497 You can live with that, Jeffrey! 631 00:30:33,473 --> 00:30:36,340 A martyr will never be able to tell me 632 00:30:36,258 --> 00:30:39,022 what a wonderful day she had at school yesterday. 633 00:30:38,947 --> 00:30:41,177 A martyr will never have a wedding. 634 00:30:41,123 --> 00:30:43,284 A martyr will never have children. 635 00:30:49,253 --> 00:30:51,221 I wanted to go to Barbados. 636 00:30:51,174 --> 00:30:53,734 I brought her a brochure. 637 00:30:53,670 --> 00:30:55,661 I thought it would convince her. 638 00:30:56,550 --> 00:30:58,381 That's what was in the envelope. 639 00:30:58,343 --> 00:31:00,834 That's all it was about? Her parents- 640 00:31:00,776 --> 00:31:04,507 She felt it would look bad 641 00:31:04,392 --> 00:31:06,883 if we went together not married. 642 00:31:06,825 --> 00:31:11,387 She said I was being insensitive to their feelings. 643 00:31:13,994 --> 00:31:15,791 I had it all planned. 644 00:31:15,754 --> 00:31:17,984 A romantic place- 645 00:31:17,931 --> 00:31:21,230 it's stupid. 646 00:31:21,132 --> 00:31:23,760 I guess I felt I needed the right setting. 647 00:31:25,229 --> 00:31:28,426 I was going to ask her to marry me. 648 00:31:32,623 --> 00:31:34,386 It wasn't that big a fight. 649 00:31:34,351 --> 00:31:36,046 So why did you get involved? 650 00:31:36,015 --> 00:31:37,710 I went out to talk to them. 651 00:31:37,679 --> 00:31:39,169 Your mother heard you yelling. 652 00:31:39,152 --> 00:31:41,814 Patrick said your sister was upset. 653 00:31:41,744 --> 00:31:43,473 There was no fight. 654 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,601 You're lying, Kevin! what are you gonna do? 655 00:31:45,554 --> 00:31:47,749 You want to charge me with the bombing of the clinic? 656 00:31:47,698 --> 00:31:50,963 You can count on it, if I find you're covering up a crime. 657 00:31:53,267 --> 00:31:55,701 I don't know anything about the bombing. 658 00:32:01,237 --> 00:32:03,102 we'll call you if we need you. 659 00:32:05,429 --> 00:32:07,795 The Donovan ID? The other fingerprints? 660 00:32:07,735 --> 00:32:09,726 Got a match? Just came in from washington. 661 00:32:09,687 --> 00:32:11,314 He'd been in the army. 662 00:32:11,287 --> 00:32:13,152 who? The boyfriend- 663 00:32:13,111 --> 00:32:15,102 Patrick Dunn. 664 00:32:17,368 --> 00:32:19,768 By themselves, the fingerprints aren't proof. 665 00:32:19,705 --> 00:32:22,299 She could have shown him the card... 666 00:32:22,234 --> 00:32:25,328 without telling him she was gonna use it to plant a bomb. 667 00:32:25,242 --> 00:32:26,869 we need something else. 668 00:32:26,843 --> 00:32:29,141 Yeah. The brother has a story, 669 00:32:29,083 --> 00:32:31,313 boyfriend another. 670 00:32:31,259 --> 00:32:35,059 what about if we arrest Patrick 671 00:32:34,940 --> 00:32:37,238 as a co-conspirator? 672 00:32:37,181 --> 00:32:38,978 Based on the prints? 673 00:32:38,941 --> 00:32:41,569 I don't want him arraigned if you don't think he's guilty. 674 00:32:41,502 --> 00:32:44,130 I don't know if he's guilty, but let's arrest him anyway, 675 00:32:44,062 --> 00:32:46,155 not arraign him till tomorrow, put him in a room with Kevin- 676 00:32:46,111 --> 00:32:48,909 And see what shakes loose. Yeah. 677 00:32:48,832 --> 00:32:50,993 The charge is arson and conspiracy. 678 00:32:50,944 --> 00:32:53,071 I'm not involved in that bombing. 679 00:32:53,025 --> 00:32:55,255 You can call your lawyer in a few minutes. 680 00:32:57,122 --> 00:32:59,590 This is unbelievable. 681 00:33:00,674 --> 00:33:02,107 What's he doing here? 682 00:33:02,082 --> 00:33:04,175 Is he being arrested too? 683 00:33:04,131 --> 00:33:05,758 Arrested? Mary's false ID card. 684 00:33:05,731 --> 00:33:07,289 Patrick's fingerprints are on it. 685 00:33:07,268 --> 00:33:09,634 Did you get it for her so she could do the bombing? 686 00:33:09,572 --> 00:33:11,540 Makes you co-conspirator. 687 00:33:11,492 --> 00:33:14,052 I'm not going to jail, Kevin. 688 00:33:13,989 --> 00:33:15,957 I can prove I wasn't involved. 689 00:33:15,910 --> 00:33:17,138 Mary wasn't involved either. 690 00:33:17,126 --> 00:33:18,753 Shut up! Shut up! 691 00:33:18,726 --> 00:33:19,715 Stone: Hey! 692 00:33:27,208 --> 00:33:29,039 All he wanted was for her to be a martyr 693 00:33:29,001 --> 00:33:30,298 instead of a sinner. 694 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,306 She didn't go there to bomb the clinic. 695 00:33:34,666 --> 00:33:36,497 She was pregnant. 696 00:33:37,739 --> 00:33:39,969 She was there to have an abortion. 697 00:33:39,915 --> 00:33:42,611 She was there to kill our baby. 698 00:33:47,789 --> 00:33:49,757 She was ashamed. 699 00:33:49,709 --> 00:33:51,677 She thought if her parents found out- 700 00:33:51,630 --> 00:33:54,098 You wanted to marry her. That would have solved everything. 701 00:33:54,030 --> 00:33:55,520 It doesn't matter. 702 00:33:55,502 --> 00:33:58,096 The baby comes early, everybody knows. 703 00:33:58,031 --> 00:34:01,000 So, under a false name she'd have an abortion. 704 00:34:00,911 --> 00:34:02,776 That morning 705 00:34:02,736 --> 00:34:05,261 I gave her the ID and the money 706 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,633 so that she could... 707 00:34:08,305 --> 00:34:11,172 I pleaded with her to at least let me take her. 708 00:34:11,090 --> 00:34:13,684 I pleaded. 709 00:34:17,011 --> 00:34:18,740 with arson you could be a martyr. 710 00:34:18,707 --> 00:34:21,073 with conspiracy you could still be a martyr. 711 00:34:21,012 --> 00:34:24,971 But Ms. McClure, now- nowwe are talking about murder. 712 00:34:26,901 --> 00:34:28,892 I didn't kill anybody. 713 00:34:28,853 --> 00:34:31,117 Mary Donovan did not get hit by a car. 714 00:34:31,094 --> 00:34:32,857 Tell her, Mr. Ballard. 715 00:34:36,472 --> 00:34:39,566 It's not six years in jail anymore. 716 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,778 Ballard: You'll never get her for manslaughter. 717 00:34:41,721 --> 00:34:44,656 Manslaughter? we are now talking about murder in the second degree- 718 00:34:44,569 --> 00:34:46,264 depraved indifference to human life. 719 00:34:46,233 --> 00:34:47,257 You're out of your mind. 720 00:34:47,258 --> 00:34:49,886 Stone: 15 years to life behind bars. 721 00:34:49,819 --> 00:34:51,844 I don't want to put i i you in prison, 722 00:34:51,803 --> 00:34:53,634 but somebody killed Mary Donovan. 723 00:34:53,595 --> 00:34:56,587 An innocent woman died. That is murder. 724 00:34:56,508 --> 00:34:59,136 That makes you no better than the people you oppose. 725 00:34:59,069 --> 00:35:01,037 Counselor, she's a kid. 726 00:35:00,989 --> 00:35:02,320 You said so yourself. 727 00:35:04,926 --> 00:35:07,156 Mary Donovan was a kid, too. 728 00:35:07,103 --> 00:35:09,230 Ask her parents. 729 00:35:14,656 --> 00:35:17,489 She pleads on all three counts outstanding. 730 00:35:17,409 --> 00:35:18,933 You recommend minimum sentences. 731 00:35:18,913 --> 00:35:21,711 She testifies against nobody. 732 00:35:21,634 --> 00:35:24,797 If this was Schwimmer's idea, she testifies against her. 733 00:35:24,706 --> 00:35:26,674 we drop down to conspiracy six, arson four. 734 00:35:26,626 --> 00:35:29,720 She pleads to criminally negligent homicide. 735 00:35:29,636 --> 00:35:30,967 She does six months. 736 00:35:31,876 --> 00:35:34,003 Celeste, do you understand? 737 00:35:36,805 --> 00:35:38,966 If I thought anyone would get hurt, 738 00:35:38,917 --> 00:35:41,385 I wouldn't have given Rose the bomb. 739 00:35:43,527 --> 00:35:46,087 The charges here are conspiracy in the second degree, 740 00:35:46,023 --> 00:35:49,117 arson in the second degree, murder in the second degree. 741 00:35:49,032 --> 00:35:51,125 Does the defendant wish to enter a plea? 742 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,843 Not guilty, Your Honor. 743 00:35:52,808 --> 00:35:55,299 If it pleases the court, we're requesting bail. 744 00:35:55,241 --> 00:35:56,469 Mr. Stone? 745 00:35:56,457 --> 00:35:59,722 Ms. Schwimmer has been convicted of several misdemeanors, 746 00:35:59,626 --> 00:36:01,253 and has made every court appearance, 747 00:36:01,227 --> 00:36:02,854 however, j j in our experience, 748 00:36:02,827 --> 00:36:04,886 activists accused of more serious crimes 749 00:36:04,843 --> 00:36:07,368 have sometimes decided to work for their cause 750 00:36:07,308 --> 00:36:09,776 from behind the scenes- far behind. 751 00:36:09,709 --> 00:36:11,677 Therefore, the people recommend 752 00:36:11,629 --> 00:36:13,426 the defendant be held without bail. 753 00:36:13,389 --> 00:36:16,552 Your Honor, there's no reason to believe the defendant is a flight risk. 754 00:36:16,462 --> 00:36:19,090 Mr. Stone, I'm inclined to agree with Mr. Malloy. 755 00:36:19,022 --> 00:36:22,958 What applies generally may not apply specifically to this defendant. 756 00:36:22,831 --> 00:36:23,889 I understand. 757 00:36:23,887 --> 00:36:25,855 But this is a homicide, Mr. Malloy, 758 00:36:25,808 --> 00:36:27,901 with two additional felony charges. 759 00:36:29,425 --> 00:36:31,052 Bail is set at... 760 00:36:31,025 --> 00:36:34,392 $300, 000. 761 00:36:36,306 --> 00:36:38,137 Stone: Regardless of your personal feelings, 762 00:36:38,099 --> 00:36:40,693 you are not being asked to decide a moral issue. 763 00:36:40,627 --> 00:36:43,095 You are being asked to decide a legal issue. 764 00:36:43,027 --> 00:36:45,723 The crime is the murder of a young woman 765 00:36:45,653 --> 00:36:47,280 by an exploding bomb. 766 00:36:47,253 --> 00:36:49,881 And that woman, Ms. Rose Schwimmer, 767 00:36:49,813 --> 00:36:52,373 is accused of placing a bomb 768 00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:55,108 with depraved indifference to human life- 769 00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:57,328 indifference to anyone it might hurt. 770 00:36:57,271 --> 00:37:02,004 You may hear the arguments that the ends justify the means, 771 00:37:01,848 --> 00:37:05,409 that an illegal act is somehow justified 772 00:37:05,305 --> 00:37:06,897 by a moral cause. 773 00:37:06,873 --> 00:37:09,239 If you're even tempted to agree with that argument, 774 00:37:09,178 --> 00:37:10,645 please remember, 775 00:37:10,618 --> 00:37:13,416 killing is not only against the law, 776 00:37:13,339 --> 00:37:15,569 it is also immoral. 777 00:37:15,515 --> 00:37:17,881 And if anyone suggests to you 778 00:37:17,819 --> 00:37:20,447 that morality and law are somehow in conflict, 779 00:37:20,380 --> 00:37:22,940 I ask you to remember that. 780 00:37:22,877 --> 00:37:25,675 Stone: Is fertilizer and diesel fuel 781 00:37:25,597 --> 00:37:27,565 a commonly known explosive? 782 00:37:27,518 --> 00:37:29,577 They blow mountains apart with it. 783 00:37:29,534 --> 00:37:32,469 Did you find actual pieces of the bomb? 784 00:37:32,383 --> 00:37:34,146 That's correct. Fragments of it 785 00:37:34,111 --> 00:37:36,238 were coated with the fertilizer compound. 786 00:37:36,191 --> 00:37:38,682 Did you make a comparison between that compound 787 00:37:38,624 --> 00:37:41,218 and the fertilizer taken from the community garden? 788 00:37:41,152 --> 00:37:43,450 I did. What were the results? 789 00:37:43,393 --> 00:37:45,224 They were chemically identical. 790 00:37:45,186 --> 00:37:47,279 Thank you. No further questions, Your Honor. 791 00:37:47,234 --> 00:37:49,134 Mr. Oliver, 792 00:37:49,090 --> 00:37:52,218 is the chemical in the fertilizer in question 793 00:37:52,131 --> 00:37:55,032 available as a chemical other than in that particular fertilizer? 794 00:37:54,947 --> 00:37:59,179 Yes. Other manufacturers make the same formulation. 795 00:37:59,044 --> 00:38:02,138 And is it also available just as a chemical compound 796 00:38:02,054 --> 00:38:03,885 that has nothing to do with fertilizer? 797 00:38:03,845 --> 00:38:05,540 Yes. 798 00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:09,537 So the nitrate in the bomb could have come from somewhere else? 799 00:38:09,415 --> 00:38:12,213 It's remotely possible. One in a million. 800 00:38:12,135 --> 00:38:14,103 Thank you. No more questions. 801 00:38:14,984 --> 00:38:17,418 Reporter:. Demanding police protection for abortion clinics, 802 00:38:17,353 --> 00:38:19,651 an estimated 10, 000 pro-choice demonstrators 803 00:38:19,594 --> 00:38:21,061 marched down 1 Oth Avenue. 804 00:38:22,538 --> 00:38:24,972 It's only going to get worse. 805 00:38:24,907 --> 00:38:26,898 Luckily, that ain't my problem. 806 00:38:29,067 --> 00:38:31,297 we're willing to consider a plea. 807 00:38:31,244 --> 00:38:32,677 Manslaughter two. 808 00:38:32,652 --> 00:38:35,382 Mary Donovan was the perfect martyr. 809 00:38:35,309 --> 00:38:37,402 You should have left it that way. 810 00:38:37,357 --> 00:38:39,587 And you, hiding behind a dead woman? 811 00:38:39,534 --> 00:38:41,502 I don't think the jury will like that. 812 00:38:41,454 --> 00:38:44,946 Mary Donovan was ready to kill her baby. 813 00:38:44,847 --> 00:38:47,338 will the jury like that any better? 814 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,748 Mary Donovan is not on trial here. 815 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,705 She will be. 816 00:38:51,664 --> 00:38:55,031 She conspired to commit murder. 817 00:38:56,913 --> 00:38:59,973 Are you admitting that Mary didn't plant the bomb? 818 00:39:04,659 --> 00:39:09,358 In this state, capital punishment is against the law. 819 00:39:09,204 --> 00:39:12,173 Yet, you're ready to risk your own form of capital punishment 820 00:39:12,085 --> 00:39:14,451 against people you consider deserving of it? 821 00:39:14,389 --> 00:39:16,414 They do deserve it. 822 00:39:16,374 --> 00:39:18,740 This isn't getting us anywhere. 823 00:39:18,679 --> 00:39:20,909 Come on, Rose. 824 00:39:25,848 --> 00:39:27,145 Ms. Schwimmer? 825 00:39:28,825 --> 00:39:31,692 I think you should reconsider. 826 00:39:31,610 --> 00:39:34,841 I don't make deals with the devil. 827 00:39:41,564 --> 00:39:43,225 Stone: Two and a half months ago, 828 00:39:43,196 --> 00:39:45,289 did Ms. McClure come into your store 829 00:39:45,244 --> 00:39:46,541 and place her usual order? 830 00:39:46,525 --> 00:39:48,152 Yes, she did. 831 00:39:48,125 --> 00:39:50,218 Did she add anything unusual to it? 832 00:39:50,173 --> 00:39:52,004 Objection. Characterization. 833 00:39:51,966 --> 00:39:53,593 Sustained. 834 00:39:53,566 --> 00:39:56,194 Did Ms. McClure's purchases include 835 00:39:56,127 --> 00:39:59,096 anything she did not make on a regular basis? 836 00:39:59,008 --> 00:40:02,375 Yes. A 50-pound bag of fertilizer 837 00:40:02,272 --> 00:40:04,740 with a special nitrate formula. 838 00:40:04,672 --> 00:40:06,435 Did that strike you as strange? 839 00:40:06,401 --> 00:40:09,461 It's used mostly for palm trees. 840 00:40:09,377 --> 00:40:12,210 I told her it would kill her plants. 841 00:40:12,130 --> 00:40:14,257 I had to special order it. 842 00:40:14,211 --> 00:40:16,611 On that day when Ms. McClure ordered the fertilizer, 843 00:40:16,547 --> 00:40:18,071 was anyone with her? 844 00:40:18,052 --> 00:40:19,280 Yes. 845 00:40:19,268 --> 00:40:21,600 Is that person in this courtroom? 846 00:40:21,541 --> 00:40:22,838 Yes. 847 00:40:22,820 --> 00:40:24,981 would you point that person out for the jury? 848 00:40:26,278 --> 00:40:28,678 She's sitting right over there. 849 00:40:28,614 --> 00:40:30,582 Stone: You Honor, may the record show 850 00:40:30,535 --> 00:40:32,503 that she's pointing to the defendant? 851 00:40:32,455 --> 00:40:34,446 Judge: Let the record so indicate. 852 00:40:36,648 --> 00:40:38,946 Rose said... 853 00:40:38,888 --> 00:40:42,085 talking, marching... 854 00:40:41,993 --> 00:40:45,121 it wasn't stopping the abortions. 855 00:40:45,034 --> 00:40:47,662 She was right. 856 00:40:47,594 --> 00:40:51,655 Every day, more babies were being murdered. 857 00:40:51,531 --> 00:40:53,658 Did Ms. Schwimmer talk about the bombings 858 00:40:53,612 --> 00:40:55,876 in front of the other members of women for Life? 859 00:40:57,132 --> 00:40:59,396 She said they wouldn't understand. 860 00:41:00,749 --> 00:41:03,274 And... 861 00:41:03,214 --> 00:41:07,116 that if it was just the two of us, 862 00:41:06,990 --> 00:41:09,515 nobody would find out. 863 00:41:09,456 --> 00:41:11,788 when did you give Ms. Schwimmer the bomb? 864 00:41:11,728 --> 00:41:15,095 I met her for brunch that morning, 865 00:41:14,992 --> 00:41:17,392 at Lazy Jane's 866 00:41:17,329 --> 00:41:19,422 on 7th Avenue. 867 00:41:19,377 --> 00:41:21,345 Stone: Tell the jury what happened then. 868 00:41:23,218 --> 00:41:24,344 Ms. McClure? 869 00:41:27,123 --> 00:41:28,886 Rose... 870 00:41:28,852 --> 00:41:31,082 said she would go out the back door. 871 00:41:31,028 --> 00:41:33,656 It's next to the ladies room. 872 00:41:35,765 --> 00:41:37,756 She said... 873 00:41:37,717 --> 00:41:39,344 she could get down the alley 874 00:41:39,318 --> 00:41:42,048 and back within 10 minutes. 875 00:41:43,478 --> 00:41:45,946 She told me to wait for five minutes, 876 00:41:45,879 --> 00:41:48,279 and then call the clinic and warn them. 877 00:41:48,216 --> 00:41:49,706 Did you make the call? 878 00:41:49,688 --> 00:41:51,212 Yes. 879 00:41:51,193 --> 00:41:53,184 Your Honor, I would like to enter into evidence 880 00:41:53,145 --> 00:41:55,113 telephone company records showing calls 881 00:41:55,065 --> 00:41:57,329 made from the pay phone 882 00:41:57,273 --> 00:42:00,265 of the Lazy Jane Restaurant on the day of the bombing. 883 00:42:02,651 --> 00:42:04,243 No further questions, Your Honor. 884 00:42:10,141 --> 00:42:11,870 Is defense ready for its summation? 885 00:42:11,837 --> 00:42:14,362 Your Honor, at this time, 886 00:42:14,301 --> 00:42:16,292 against advice of counsel, 887 00:42:16,254 --> 00:42:19,382 the defendant wishes to testify in her own behalf. 888 00:42:19,295 --> 00:42:21,456 Judge: Ms. Schwimmer, 889 00:42:21,407 --> 00:42:23,932 you realize you'll be subject to cross-examination? 890 00:42:23,872 --> 00:42:25,635 I do, Your Honor. 891 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,591 I urge you to reconsider. 892 00:42:27,552 --> 00:42:29,383 Listen to advice of counsel. 893 00:42:29,345 --> 00:42:33,543 However, I won't prevent you from testifying. 894 00:42:49,189 --> 00:42:51,714 Do you swear to tell the truth, so help you God? 895 00:42:51,654 --> 00:42:53,588 I certainly do. 896 00:42:55,879 --> 00:42:57,676 Ballard: Ms. Schwimmer, 897 00:42:57,639 --> 00:43:00,199 did you conspire with Celeste McClure 898 00:43:00,136 --> 00:43:03,367 to bomb the Chelsea women's Choice Center, 899 00:43:03,272 --> 00:43:05,638 as well as seven other abortion clinics? 900 00:43:05,577 --> 00:43:07,306 Yes, I did. 901 00:43:09,290 --> 00:43:12,418 Then you're guilty of the charges leveled against you? 902 00:43:12,330 --> 00:43:14,924 Not before God. 903 00:43:14,859 --> 00:43:17,123 Can you explain why you're innocent before God? 904 00:43:17,067 --> 00:43:20,525 Objection, this case is being judged on the temporal plane, Your Honor. 905 00:43:20,428 --> 00:43:21,690 Sustained. 906 00:43:21,676 --> 00:43:23,667 How dare you object, Mr. Stone? 907 00:43:23,629 --> 00:43:26,189 we've done our homework. You were baptized. 908 00:43:26,125 --> 00:43:29,925 You go to communion, and you prosecute me?! Judge: That's enough. 909 00:43:29,806 --> 00:43:32,570 All the abortions in that clinic are murder, and you know it. 910 00:43:32,495 --> 00:43:34,725 Your Honor? It must stop! 911 00:43:34,671 --> 00:43:36,901 Mary Donovan's death was tragic, 912 00:43:36,848 --> 00:43:40,750 But if it prevents one abortion, the scales are balanced. 913 00:43:40,625 --> 00:43:42,820 Abortion must end! 914 00:43:42,769 --> 00:43:45,237 Ms. Schwimmer, that will be all! Are we a nation 915 00:43:45,169 --> 00:43:48,036 who can tolerate the abortionist sticking his hand 916 00:43:47,954 --> 00:43:50,548 in a mother's womb and strangling God's creation? 917 00:43:50,483 --> 00:43:52,815 The court officer will remove Ms. Schwimmer! 918 00:43:52,755 --> 00:43:56,054 Your Honor, I have only one question to ask of the defendant. 919 00:43:55,956 --> 00:43:57,719 which is? 920 00:43:57,685 --> 00:44:01,177 If abortion is murder, no matter how you feel about Mary Donovan, 921 00:44:01,078 --> 00:44:03,911 aren't you guilty of the murder of her unborn child? 922 00:44:21,082 --> 00:44:23,243 Judge: On the first count in the indictment, 923 00:44:23,194 --> 00:44:25,856 the charge of conspiracy in the second degree, 924 00:44:25,787 --> 00:44:26,879 how do you find? 925 00:44:26,875 --> 00:44:29,400 we find the defendant guilty. 926 00:44:31,132 --> 00:44:32,497 On the second count, 927 00:44:32,476 --> 00:44:35,343 the charge of arson in the second degree, 928 00:44:35,261 --> 00:44:36,387 how do you find? 929 00:44:36,381 --> 00:44:38,872 we find the defendant guilty. 930 00:44:40,030 --> 00:44:43,022 The third count, murder in the second degree, 931 00:44:42,943 --> 00:44:46,242 how do you find? We find the defendant guilty. 932 00:44:52,833 --> 00:44:54,198 Stone: what do we say to people 933 00:44:54,177 --> 00:44:57,305 who know she committed a criminal act, but don't think she's a criminal? 934 00:44:57,218 --> 00:45:00,153 That's easy. A criminal is someone who commits a criminal act- 935 00:45:00,066 --> 00:45:01,727 for any reason. 936 00:45:01,699 --> 00:45:04,497 But up until Roe v. wade, the abortionists were the criminals. 937 00:45:04,419 --> 00:45:06,853 If the law hadn't changed, there never would have been a bombing. 938 00:45:06,788 --> 00:45:08,847 If the law hadn't changed, I'd be a slave. 939 00:45:08,805 --> 00:45:10,636 You can't turn back the clock. 940 00:45:10,686 --> 00:45:15,236 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 69930

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