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Dispatch, what have you

got riding on this alarm?

600 we haven't been able to

dispatch anybody yet.

On April 19th 1995,

as many people were starting their workday,

a beautiful spring morning in the heartland

became chaos when at 9:02 a.m.

explosions tore through the Alfred P. Murrah

Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City.

An explosion at nine o'clock this morning

that did that damage you're looking at right there.

Blowing off the entire north face of that building.

- The Federal Building located 200 North West 5th Street

was almost completely destroyed.

- A terrible tragedy has occurred here in Oklahoma City.

- The bombing in Oklahoma City

was an attack on innocent children

and defenseless citizens.

168 people were killed in the blast

and over 800 wounded.

The hospitals were overrun with casualties.

A rescue worker was killed from falling debris

within the first few hours.

But what would sear the bombing in the hearts of Americans

was the 19 children inside the daycare center

in the building who had lost their lives.

The most beautiful memorial left by anyone

is not in the rubble of this building,

but in the hearts and the lives

that knew them and loved them.

We come today to remember their lives

and we come today to offer thanks.

Thanks for the 100's and 100's of people

who were involved in the rescue and recovery efforts.

Six years before 9/11,

it was the first mass casualty terrorist attack

on American soil.

The prologue to a new chapter in American history

had been written in blood, fear, and shock.

Terrorism had struck home.

From now on, nothing would be the same again.

- We know that more than McVeigh and Nichols were involved.

- There were questions of other bombs

being found at the scene of the crime.

Witnesses to the bombing.

- The FBI like any government agency is more concerned

with power, prestige,

maintaining its position rather than truth and justice.

- Based on the damage pattern to the building,

but the government say it's impossible.

- That life we had back before the bombing,

that life is over.

- For the first time in my fight with the government,

they stepped forward and said,

"It would pose a grave risk for the

"national security United States of America

"if we release these CIA documents."

- If you know the truth the truth will set you free.

- You've got to band together

or it's over for all of us.

The man on top will get you.

- If we don't expose the facts that Oklahoma City

stinks to high heaven, the same people that carried it out

are gonna do it over and over and over again

and they're going to use these frightening events

to drive a stake through the United States

and kill our Republic.

Almost immediately, the Oklahoma City

Police Department announced they'd be on

the lookout alert for two Middle Eastern looking suspects

wearing blue jogging suits.

Shortly before the bombing, they were seen by a witness

running from the Murrah Building

and getting into a brown pickup truck,

then driving away from the scene of the crime.

It was soon determined, that a truck bomb

had exploded directly outside the building.

Approximately 200 feet from the bomb crater,

a VIN number stamped on a twisted axle

identified the vehicle as a Ryder rental truck.

- Two suspects are in custody this evening

in the bombing of Oklahoma City's Murrah Federal Building.

Shortly after the bombing,

a 26-year old US Army veteran Timothy McVeigh was

pulled over by an Oklahoma Highway Patrol officer

60 miles north of Oklahoma City.

He was stopped for speeding in his car

without a license plate.

McVeigh would admit to carrying a concealed handgun

and was taken into custody without incident.

It was the first time Timothy McVeigh

had been arrested in his life.

The original alert for two Middle Eastern males

had been rescinded within hours of the bombing

and the identification number on the Ryder axle

was traced to her rental agency in Kansas.

The renter had given a false name,

but had listed his address as a farmhouse

in Michigan belonging to James Nichols.

James's brother Terry Nichols was a friend of Tim McVeigh

from their time in the US Army.

Upon hearing the news that he was wanted for

questioning in the bombing,

Terry Nichols turned himself in to the Harrington

Kansas Police Department.

Within 24 hours after the attack,

the FBI had received a tip from a former coworker

of Tim McVeigh in Buffalo New York.

The tipster informed the FBI that McVeigh

had often espoused militant anti-government views

and that McVeigh was very angry

over the siege of the Branch Davidians

by federal agents in Waco Texas.

Which had ended in a catastrophic fire

two years to the day before the Oklahoma City bombing.

- That Friday they showed the FBI bringing

Tim McVeigh out of the jail in Perry Oklahoma.

And that's when I got angry.

When I saw that it was an American

and it wasn't Middle Easterners.

I had a hard time accepting the fact

that that Americans would do that.

Americans are supposed to love their children.

They are not supposed to murder their children.

- Shaken, disillusioned, angered.

That that could happen in this country.

Upon learning that McVeigh

was already in jail, the FBI transferred him

to federal custody and an indictment

was issued against Tim McVeigh,

Terry Nichols, and others unknown,

for the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building.

Another army buddy of Mcveigh's, Michael Fortier

of Kingman Arizona was later arrested

and charged with having advanced knowledge

of the bombing plot.

- The last thing I remember was being

thrown to the center of that room and looking up

and looking into the sky

and there was no roof

and everything was just suspended up in the air in the sky.

- When I came to, I stood up and I was facing the south,

but all the light was behind me.

I turned and looked back to the north

and the whole front of the buildings gone.

I'm about four to five feet from where it dropped off.

- On the morning of April the 19th 95,

my dog Gunny and I arrived at the scene

of the Murrah Building.

There was a great deal of chaos at the scene.

A lot of people bleeding, and screaming,

running away from the building.

- I lost my two grandchildren, they were in the daycare

center at Murrah building.

Their names were Erin and Elijah Coverdale.

Erin was five years old, Elijah was two.

I was living at the Regency

when the bombing happened.

And that morning I was at work.

I had custody of Erin and Elijah

so they lived with me.

And I had dropped 'em off at the daycare center

that Wednesday morning.

I'd get up in the middle of the night

and get in the shower and turn the water on

so people would hear me screaming

and I just scream at God and ask him,

"What was wrong?

"Why were we being punished so?"

- I knew the Coverdale boys, Elijah and Erin.

These two boys they were characters.

Me being single and living in this apartment,

I was kind of a party guy at that time, 27 years old.

At one point in time I had promised these two boys

that I was going to give him some toys.

And problems that living in the Regency

on the 18th floor you leave something in your

car you don't want to go back down and get it

because it's just a hassle unless it's ice cream.

And so I left these toys in the car

for the longest time I never did get them those toys.

Until you know, after they passed away

when I gave them to Jannie.

- Well then I got watching the stuff down on the street

and kind of got mesmerized by what was

going on down on the street.

While I was standing up there,

there was a little girl that was taking

a photography class at UCO

that took a picture of the building,

and I was in that picture.

- You could not see

anything in front of you.

The smoke was so thick and so black.

And the only thing I can tell you

is it smelled like sulfur.

If you were in a chemistry lab, it smelt like sulfur.

And she said "You can't go that way"

and I said "Why?"

She said "There is nothing out there, it's gone."

The reasons for the bombing,

the perpetrators, the rumors,

and the suspects change depending

on whose viewpoint you take.

Like all controversial events,

some of those closest to the event

and farthest away are bound together by the questioning

of the official story.

The first questions were directed at the

Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms

which had launched the raid on the Branch Davidians.

The Oklahoma City office for the ATF was located

in the Murrah Building and was the supposed

target of the attack.

Yet, no agents were killed or seriously wounded.

Was the ATF office empty that morning?

- I asked him if I could speak with an ATF officer

that worked in the building so I could find out

if they knew anything about my wife.

And he told me that they were in debriefing

and I ask him, you know, I need to talk to one of 'em,

I need to find out something.

And he said that none of them had been in the building

so they weren't hurt.

Had been tipped by their pagers

that morning not to come into work.

The ATF told several different stories

to explain their agents curious absence.

The most fantastic story was that two agents

were indeed inside the building

and were heroes that day.

ATF agent Luke Franey claimed that he was knocked

unconscious by the blast,

and after an aborted helicopter rescue

crawled on to an outside ledge to escape his office.

Franey then reported that he then used his

martial arts skills to break through several walls

and injured his hand.

Another agent Alex McCauley claimed that

he was in an elevator at the time of the bombing.

After free-falling for five floors,

McCauley supposedly broke out and rescued several people.

- My crews were the crews working on the Murrah Building

the day of the bombing.

Immediately after the bombing they called me on the radios

and at that point they were going in to assist with,

because the fire department hadn't even got there yet.

They were going to check to make sure

all the elevators were clear.

They weren't aware, because they were coming from

the south side that the building

on the north side was gone.

So they went in to check the elevators

and that's when they they found out how bad

the damage was inside the building.

None of the elevators went to free fall

because the governor over speeds were not tripped.

The safety mechanisms on the bottom of the elevators

were not tripped so none of the elevators

had a free fall condition.

I think it was McCauley

indicated that they were trapped in an elevator,

so at the grand jury investigation

once I got the FEMA report that showed

which elevator they were in

I said that there's no possible way they could have

been in that elevator because my men checked it

and it was still locked from the top

and the doors were,

the wall had caved in against the doors between floors.

So they couldn't have gotten out of the

elevator without assistance.

Jane Graham worked in the building

for over a decade.

Was vice president of the Federal Employees Union

and has testified before Congress on labor issues.

She knew everyone in the building

and bore witness to suspicious behavior that morning.

- On the morning of the bombing

when my husband dropped me off

and I got out of the car,

as I was walking toward the entrance

there were two men standing directly

in front of the double doors

and there was a little sitting area there,

planter and so forth there in front.

They were standing right there on the sidewalk.

They had on ATF jackets.

Which said ATF on 'em.

They were talking to a third gentleman

who was dressed in business clothes.

And I saw them.

Their backs were to me and I thought,

they don't normally, you know,

all the people we see go up there

to ATF, they're never identifiable.

They always are dressed you know a

lot of them look like drug people and other things.

And you know but they're certainly not dressed for you

to be able to tell who they are.

A paramedic who responded to the bombing,

Tiffany Bible, confirms that the ATF were

not in their office and in fact may have

been aware of some type of threat that day.

In this affidavit, she states that immediately

after the bombing she asked an ATF agent on the scene

if any of them were in the building.

He responded "No we weren't in there today."

And that the Murrah building was bombed because of Waco.

She further states that within the first

20 minutes of the bombing she saw at least

eight ATF agents outside the building

in clean black jumpsuits.

To this day the ATF has been unwilling to address

their prior knowledge of the bombing.

Beyond the vague rumors of the significance

of April 19th, some federal agencies

were aware of an actual threat.

- One of those frustrating things about prior knowledge

is that the media, some in the media,

and others would accuse us of saying that

the government blew the building up.

Which we never said and I do not believe.

The U.S. Marshals responsible for

security of federal personnel and facilities warned

that quote "Islamic terrorists may be planning

"suicide attacks against federal courthouses

"and government installations

"designed to attract worldwide press attention

"through the murder of innocent victims."

The ATF had placed informant Carrol Howe

into a white separatist community in eastern Oklahoma

called Elohim City.

Another ATF agent admitted under oath

that one suspect Andy Strassmeier, was reported

to make quote "Threats to blow up federal buildings"

unquote, before the Oklahoma City bombing.

Furthermore Carol Howe actually drove Strassmeier

and other suspects to Oklahoma City

to scout bombing targets.

Was this the source of the ATF suspicious behavior

the morning of April 19th?

US representative Ernest Istook of Oklahoma

also displayed advanced knowledge of the bombing.

- My left from the east

I saw senator Istook kind of work his way west.

Well he came up to me and we started talking small talk.

You know, terrible thing all this

and really didn't know what much to say.

And he said, he made the comment,

"Yeah we knew this was going to happen."

- I noticed the lady back behind me by a backhoe

over there taking pictures

She identified herself as an attorney, Lana Tyree

and she was with Ernest Istook.

And she made a comment to me that

Istook told her that they were aware

of a bomb threat since April 9th.

He didn't really think much about it

until this grand jury and stuff

started probing into it and people

were claiming that there wasn't any prior knowledge.

I started thinking about it, got with Dave

and we put two and two together and we said,

"Hey, somebody knew about a prior bomb threat."

This ought to be known.

- Everyone who knows me knows I would not sit idle

if I knew about a conspiracy of silence.

I would never rest until such a conspiracy was exposed.

But I know of no such conspiracy.

Istook has denied this evidence under oath but,

he has never answered the Oklahoma County Sheriff's

deputy's challenge to subject his opposing versions

of prior knowledge to polygraph testing.

Many witnesses have officially stated

that the Oklahoma County bomb squad

was conducting a search at the federal courthouse

across the street from the Murrah Building

two hours before the attack.

- Trish Nix, I ran into her,

she was another employee there at HUD.

And she had asked me if I had seen

the bomb squad that morning.

And I had said "No, I wasn't aware that

"they had been in the building."

And she said yes she had seen their unit

parked in the parking lot of the church

across the street.

County appraiser JD Reid

saw the bomb disposal unit parked outside

the courthouse that morning.

Despite multiple eyewitnesses,

the Sheriff's Department denies this claim.

- If that building was under threat and

they were getting bomb threats and this

was a daily thing or a weekly thing or

if they've gotten many threats or only one,

the parents of the children in that daycare

deserve to have been notified.

People do not keep children in daycares

where there are bomb threats made.

Under the pressure of mounting evidence,

ABC's 20/20 reported on many of these

puzzling questions a year and a half after the bombing.

- At issue increasingly for some of the victims

and their families, what did authorities

know or suspect before the explosion

that federal workers and the children arriving

at the Murrah building did not know or were not told?

There was this fairly large truck

with a trailer behind it

and it had a shield on the side of the door

and it said bomb disposal or bomb squad blow it.

Authorities now claim in federal investigative

reports that the huge ominous truck with its trailer

was being used by a deputy to run routine errands.

Other documents obtained by 20/20 show

that someone called the Executive Secretariats office

at the Justice Department in Washington

and said the Murrah Building had been bombed.

But this was 24 minutes before the blast.

No action was apparently taken.

According to the show's producer,

the Justice Department actively intervened

to prevent an in-depth follow-up

to this segment from airing nationally.

- 20/20 did a 15 or 20 minute segment

on prior knowledge.

It was put together by a guy named Roger Charles.

That was so explosive

that he was putting together an entire hour

or whatever for 20/20, which he would tell you.

But the feds came in and stopped 20/20.

Wouldn't let them broadcast the larger segment

that he put together concerning prior knowledge.

- The news channel has learned

of another strange development.

Apparently before the bombing,

Governor Frank Keating's brother Mark

had been working on a novel about a terrorist

bombing in Oklahoma City.

Stranger still, one of the characters in the novel

was named Thomas McVeigh.

Despite the official denials,

the evidence confirmed is that at least some

amount of prior knowledge existed.

More ominously, there are suggestions that certain

government agencies were fully expecting

a bombing to occur that day.

- The horse patrol, interestingly,

I was a very small unit

and was assisted by the county reserve men and patrol unit.

For whatever reason on the morning of the bombing

they had been assigned and had already met

at the Oklahoma City equine K9 facility

and had prepared their horses, their tack,

and uniforms to go downtown for crowd control.

Rarely, very rarely would they go down in patrol

or work downtown area for crowd control for anything.

The importance of exposing

prior knowledge cannot be understated.

Those individuals who understood the danger beforehand

and did nothing are just as guilty

as those who lit the fuse on the bomb.

As the FBI and Department of Justice

narrowed its focus on Tim McVeigh

as the lone bomber on April 19th,

people seeking truth and justice for the dead

were dismayed that so many reports of accomplices

were being discarded by the federal authorities.

The first sketches of the suspects released by the FBI

clearly indicated that two people were involved

in parking the Ryder truck in front of the Murrah Building.

And the original BOLA or be on the lookout alert

had mentioned three suspects,

when the hunt for John Doe number two was called off

and he was dismissed as a ghost.

People who knew for a fact that they had seen

McVeigh with other people began to speak out.

Did McVeigh act alone?

- During that time broadcasts were being made

that there was suspects

had been observed leaving the scene

in a brown pickup.

- At this time people were trying to get together

on who was going to do what.

Medical personnel and such.

There was a police car sitting to my left

facing west on Fifth Street.

And as we were all standing there conversing

then you know people were doing what they were doing,

it came out over the radio on this police car

that they were looking for a brown truck.

An APB for a brown truck.

It was quick, but it was heard.

- I haven't stopped asking questions

'cause I know that we haven't been told the truth.

I've talked to too many people

that saw Timothy McVeigh that morning.

Saw Timothy McVeigh in Kansas

and saw Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City.

Not one person saw him by himself.

- Timothy McVeigh stepped out of the truck

I walked him over to,

let's say 10, 11 feet away from the truck itself.

I pointed a direction downtown which is to my right.

He seemed to acknowledge where I was talking about.

At that time the gentleman walked back to the truck.

I talked to him and I also notice there was a passenger

in the truck at that time.

- And and mostly it was a John Doe too thing.

Because as you remember the greatest manhunt

there's ever been.

And then all of a sudden hey he doesn't even exist.

If he doesn't exist why wasn't he on the manhunt?

I mean things like that.

That was continually coming out.

- I know for a fact,

Timothy McVeigh was with another individual

on the morning of April 19th

right before the bombing.

- Because the evidence is overwhelming

and compelling that there were other perpetrators

and they were not pursued

in the very early days after the bombing,

the decision was made not to pursue

anymore of those individuals.

In the days before the bombing,

Tim McVeigh was seen making preparations

with other suspects.

Not Terry Nichols or Michael Fortier,

but others unknown whom the authorities

seemed uninterested in finding.

- The man that I saw on the phone that day,

he was actually on the phone was McVeigh.

I'm 100% sure of that.

He had a partner with him that had shoulder length hair,

that was leaned up against the wall facing him.

Then at one point he turned the guy to his right

who was leaning against the wall shoulder length hair,

and said, "He told us to fucking stay here."

I did go up to the FBI at 50 Pin Place

and told them my story.

If I remember right, I think they actually sketched out

the second person that

I was describing.

Which was shoulder length hair, tan stocky build,

a light plaid type jacket shirt kind of mix.

Kind of goofy-looking guy.

A convenience store clerk reported

to the FBI that McVeigh had purchased fuel

for a Ryder truck at her store

two days before the bombing.

Even pointing out on the register tape

when the purchase was made.

Accompanying McVeigh was another suspect.

This example is only one of many eyewitness accounts

that diverge from the official narrative.

And although the government states that McVeigh

never scouted inside the Murrah Building,

a Secret Service investigator reported that she had

seen him in the building also with a second suspect.

The official narrative dictates that Tim Mcveigh alone

rented the Ryder truck in Junction City Kansas

on April 17, two days before the bombing.

He and Terry Nichols supposedly constructed

the bomb on April 18.

But the bulk of eyewitness accounts

assert that the Ryder truck was at Gary Lake

for several days before that.

- I retired April 11th 1995.

And after finishing up

that morning I decided to stop by here and fish

at Geary State Lake.

Which is right in this general area here

that I was fishing from.

The pier or jetty.

And I stayed here most of the afternoon

fishing of course with no luck.

And later on that afternoon I had decided

to maybe go back over this way over here

to the other point back here and

see if I'd have any luck.

When I noticed a Ryder truck over there.

I was sitting at home one day and my wife came in from work

and she said she had been stopped at a roadblock

up here at Gary Lake in reference to

the Oklahoma City bombing

and the making of the bomb here at Geary State Lake.

And with a Ryder truck.

And I said well you know I had told you about

the Ryder truck I had seen there

before this.

And that's how I became aware of it.

And then the next thing I knew she told the ATF

and FBI the people to roadblock

that what I had seen.

And before I knew it my house was swarming with

agents.

McVeigh stayed at the Dreamland Motel

just outside the gates of Fort Riley Kansas,

while he rented the truck and built the bomb.

Once again, eyewitnesses state that he was not alone

and the Ryder truck was there for days

before the FBI insists it was.

The maid at the Dreamland saw Mcveigh's friend

with the Ryder truck

and when shown a sketch of John Doe number two,

told the FBI "My god who did the sketch?

"It looks just like him."

All these reports indicate that more

than one Ryder truck was involved in the bombing.

And more people than the government is letting on.

- Justice for these killers will be

certain, swift, and severe.

We will find them, we will convict them,

and we will seek the death penalty for them.

It was promised to the people of Oklahoma City

and to the rest of America that every

single person responsible for the bombing

would be caught, tried, and held accountable

for the harm they had inflicted.

It was expected that this promise would be fulfilled.

Nevertheless, as eyewitness testimony

and other promising leads were being carelessly discarded,

replaced only with the lies and inconsistencies

of federal officials,

a deep but private suspicion grew

in the minds of observers that perhaps

a government cover-up was underway.

Was this mere incompetence

or was there something else at work here?

- I was a police officer in Tulsa Police Department

for 27 years.

And in 1995 when the Oklahoma City bombing occurred

I was requested by the local FBI office

through our Chief of Police to assist any way I could.

And look into the bombing and using my contacts

as an investigative journalist,

which is what I did on the side,

to try to find out anything we could find out

about the bombing, McVeigh, Nichols,

and just kind of follow the investigation

any place it went.

Just just follow the leads.

I was still working the case with Jana Davis

and David Hoffman, two Oklahoma City police officers

and one of them, it was one of the

first ones in the building.

And he saw some things in the building.

He saw the biggest damage to the building

was the pit which was in the back of the building

and went down like two or three floors.

He saw all of that you know.

That never came out in the news.

It wasn't part of the investigation.

It just didn't count.

In other words, if it didn't fit the mold

that the Department of Justice under Janet Reno

set for the FBI, then it wasn't put in the case period.

The FBI bragged about its handling

of the deadliest terror attack in American history.

But gigantic holes in the case

were being ignored by the media.

McVeigh was first suspected because he rented

the truck under the name Robert Kling.

One of the first pieces of evidence used

to link McVeigh to the bombing was problematic.

- I went to Junction City.

I went out to Elliott's body shop

and I spoke to Mr. Eliot.

I told him who I was and I said,

"I would like for you to tell me

"what happened the day Tim came to rent the Ryder truck."

And he said "You mean the day Tim and his friend came?"

And I said "Tim wasn't by himself?"

He said "No ma'am.

- The FBI has been designated by President Clinton

as the lead federal agency in this investigation.

Incredibly enough,

there remains an extra unidentified leg

that was found in the rubble.

Oklahoma State Medical Examiner Fred Jordan

testified in court "We had eight people

"with traumatically amputated left legs.

"However, we have nine left legs.

"We have one leg too many."

Stephen Jones, McVeigh's defense attorney

detailed in his book Others Unknown,

the significance of this extra leg.

Former chief pathologist for Northern Ireland

TK Marshall performed over 2,500 autopsies

on bombing victims and told Jones that

"In all the years in Ireland,

"we identified every innocent person that was killed.

"There was never an unknown victim."

The FBI collected 1034 fingerprints

during their investigation.

But an agent admitted under oath that

these prints were not run through the

National fingerprint database.

Nikki Deutchman was the jury foreperson

for the federal trial of Terry Nichols.

- I think that that the government perhaps

really dropped the ball.

I think that there were a large number

of sightings right around before,

the week before and the days

and months after the bombing.

And sketches of people that were recognizable.

In this trial there even was a photograph

of someone who may have been involved

with mixing the bomb.

With putting the bomb together.

And that person, it was a photograph from a newspaper.

Obviously that person's identity is known.

I think there are other people out there

and decisions were probably made very early on

that Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols were who

they were looking for and the same sort

of resources were not used

to try to find out who else might be involved.

- Well in those first couple of days

especially that first day of the Oklahoma City bombing

there was immediate information that came out

about what caused the bombing,

witnesses on the scene of the crime.

Things such as that.

And it changed very significantly

and drastically as the day went by

and the next several days went by.

That caused a lot of questions in people's minds

about what really happened here.

- The reason I doubt started doubting

the official story that was coming out,

you have to understand that the state,

the local media were doing a good job

the first day.

Local law enforcement maybe also

I believe was doing a good job.

But once the feds came in things started changing.

The police and emergency crews

are talking about moving us back

because of the danger of a possibility

of another explosion.

I think he said another bomb.

- Oh my god another bomb.

- The fire crews and the various emergency crews

are trying to give in, but we keep getting reports

that there may be other devices in the area.

And they will use that that trailer.

You see the bucket on the back there?

Sort of this is how they would transport

the explosive device away from this populated area

to try to do something with it.

- There were two unexploded devices

discovered subsequent to the initial explosion.

A second bomb was found on the east side

of that building.

A bomb squad is on the scene.

That second bomb has not exploded.

We don't know quite the status yet.

If they've managed to defuse it,

but it has been confirmed.

- There have been reports

of two explosive devices.

Unexploded explosive devices.

Two different explosive devices

were found in addition to the one that went off.

Just an hour after the initial explosion

downtown Oklahoma City was shaken up again

with word of another bomb or maybe two.

- They've had to back off a couple times

because they found

I guess two or three other bombs

or at least explosive devices down there

that they've had to defuse.

- They shut down our operation for about

20, 30 minutes because of that.

That was very frustrating because we were

right at the point where we had people

and we had to leave 'em.

The first bomb that was in the Federal Building

did go off.

It did the damage that you see right there.

The second explosive was found and defused.

- The Oklahoma City bombing was one of the

first big stories that I covered.

And it was just shocking to know it was an inside job

and to know that the media was involved in the cover-up.

And that the mainstream television stations

there in Oklahoma City knew what had really happened.

And then years later I was able to actually

talk to some of those reporters

and they discussed how they were told to shut up.

I mean it just showed how people

were so willing to be part of the cover-up

just because the truth was so frightening.

And that's really why we become so enslaved.

Is that we just give in to the lies

and they start little but they get bigger and bigger.

- It's amazing when everyone

who can see an event and that gets

changed into something else.

Simply because the media presents it that way.

That means the media is complicit in the cover-up.

They're not hapless, they're not ignorant.

How come I can forget this out and CNN can't?

- The controlled corporate mainstream media is essential

to a cover-up like Oklahoma City being successful.

And that's why the mainstream media has lost

so much credibility.

Because all over the nation people have

seen things like Oklahoma City over and over again.

Where you see the live footage,

you see them removing the bombs,

you see the governor admitting it.

And then later the media says "We never said that.

"That's what conspiracy theorists say."

At first the media reported on some

of these bothersome pieces of evidence

that they became a little more than

parrots for the Justice Department

as the official story was railroaded into

the public mind.

- Been listening to Mike McCurry,

President Clinton's spokesperson at the White House.

Apparently at this point we know a little bit more

than the white house does because we have

been able to confirm that it was a car explosion.

And that word coming to us from Mayor Ron Norick.

Earlier 1200 pounds of explosives parked

out in front of the Federal Building.

- And ATF has confirmed that as well.

- Who's going to investigate the investigator's?

Who's going to investigate the prosecutors?

Who's gonna held them accountable?

Who's gonna hold us public officials accountable?

And that's all we're trying to do here.

In addition to trying to find the truth.

- Well initially that morning,

all the media that was downtown there reporting

were reporting the truth.

They reported the truth about the unexploded bombs

undetonated bombs being removed from the building.

By afternoon,

things begin to ease a little bit.

You could sense a difference

and by the next day everybody but channel 4

had changed their story completely.

One local station in Oklahoma City,

KFOR TV did perform its duty by reporting

on McVeigh's accomplices, the evidence of prior warnings,

and many other aspects of the case.

The New York Times Broadcasting Company

purchased KFOR a year after the bombing.

The programming director was fired.

The lead journalist on the bombing Jana Davis was let go.

And all reporting that contradicted the government vanished.

The victims turned to the government with their questions

expecting the full truth to come out.

This was not to be.

Those who asked too many questions

or knew too much were discouraged

from their efforts in other ways.

- Debbie Nakanishi, who was with the post office,

she was told not

to talk to anybody about that.

Her job had been threatened to her.

She went to the Union over it.

Then they apologized.

But she and I went on a number of occasions

to Washington DC.

We tried to see

every senator and every congressman from Oklahoma.

Not one would give us an interview.

- I was told by an agent, an FBI agent

that did comments

that I've made

that people like me often ended up dead

and to be careful what I said

if I was him.

In the way that he put it forth

I felt like it was a threat.

- I wrote letters to Janet Reno

when she was the United States Attorney General.

I wrote Louis Freeh who was over the FBI at that time.

I wrote senator Orrin Hatch.

I wrote everybody I could think of

asking for help.

Nothing was done.

When the government decided

that the investigation was over,

a federal grand jury was impaneled to hand down indictments.

This is usually a straightforward process.

But the federal prosecutors were not

counting on one grand juror,

Hoppy Heidelberg to actually ask questions of his own.

- My name is Hoppy Heidelberg

and I served on the federal grand jury

that was supposed to investigate the

Murrah Building bombing in Oklahoma City back in 1995.

Actually the grand jury has two responsibilities

that are outlined in this book.

The first one is says

"The grand jury operates as a sword

"authorizing the government's prosecution

"of suspected criminals and also as a

"shield protecting citizens from unwarranted

"or inappropriate prosecutions."

Now that's not something the media

or the government ever points out.

But that was actually the reason

for a grand jury in the first place.

To protect citizens from the crown.

Who at the time had a habit of

prosecuting their political enemies

or anybody they chose for any reason.

The grand jury, our grand jury,

it was supposed to be

calling witnesses were not allowed to call any.

And it was my letter to the judge

telling him that and demanding that we

be allowed to call witnesses that got me

excused from the grand jury.

What you will hear and what they say that's a lie

is that the grand jury foreman

is the only one that has the right to do this or that.

And that's not true.

According to the book,

any member can demand anything he wants,

for any reason.

Can be he just his personal opinion,

it can be from information he gets.

Of course they tell us "Well you can't watch TV.

"You can't read the paper."

That's nonsense, it's nonsense.

Grand jurors need to be well-informed

if they're going to do their job properly.

See we were never allowed to see

the photo evidence from the cameras on the Murrah Building

that would have shown the truck being parked

and the people who got out of the truck.

That's all on tape.

And we were authorized to see all of that.

But we weren't allowed to see it.

And in fact nobody's been allowed to see it.

All those tapes have been kept under wraps for 15 years.

It was just too important.

Just too important to the American people

to know what happened there for me to keep quiet.

Because nobody else was gonna speak up.

The other grand jurors were petrified

because they observed on a daily basis

the kind of intimidation tactics

that were used by the Department of Justice attorneys

to tempt to keep me under control.

And when they found out about the FBI visits

to my home, that really shook them up.

Now thems even scared to talk to me in the men's room.

Hoppy will never be silenced.

In 1998 he ran as an independent candidate

for governor of Oklahoma.

Intent on reopening the investigation into the bombing.

After being excluded from the gubernatorial debate,

Hoppy walked onstage to ask governor Frank Keating why.

I'll go on that record as saying

that you think I shouldn't participate.

Do you still believe that?

- Thank you audience.

Mr. Jenkins, your follow up now.

Two years after the bombing,

the trial of Tim McVeigh began in Denver Colorado.

The trial had been moved out of Oklahoma

despite the constitutional mandate

that federal crimes must be tried

in the district in which they occurred.

The truth seekers were assured that all of

their questions would be answered in court.

- The trial was not handled appropriately,

it was handled in a way that was very prejudiced

against the defendants.

If you look at what Judge Matsch did

concerning prejudicing the jury

to where the people that were being prosecuted

by two weeks he showed them pictures

of dead babies and blood and guts.

And which is all basically my understanding of the law

illegal to prejudice the jury like that.

Yet they did that kind of stuff apparently on purpose.

- I was told that about a US Attorney

that if I attended the trials in Denver

that all of my questions would be answered.

I gave up everything I had.

My apartment and everything and I moved to Denver.

And I attended both trials and by the time

Terry Nichols trial was over I had more questions

and no answers.

The trial lasted three weeks.

In contrast, the OJ Simpson trial in 1995

had lasted nine months.

The jury deliberated for less than 24 hours

and sentenced Tim McVeigh to death.

McVeigh waived all his appeals

and was fast-tracked to be the first

federal prisoner executed in decades.

Just before his execution date,

the FBI announced that they had withheld

thousands of pages of documents

that could have influenced his trial

which led to a month-long stay of execution.

- I mean they weren't able to get thousands,

at least thousands, probably a lot more than that

of documents from you know the FBI and the DOJ,

they just wouldn't turn 'em over.

On June 11 2001 Tim McVeigh was put to

death by lethal injection at the federal death row

in Terre Haute Indiana.

He left no message

and was quickly cremated without an autopsy

being performed on his body,

contrary to the standard procedure for executed prisoners.

Terry Nichols was tried and found guilty in a separate trial

and received a life sentence without the

possibility of parole.

In 2004, Terry Nichols was then tried in Oklahoma

on State murder charges in the prosecutors

hope of imposing a death sentence.

Nichols was found guilty,

but a jury once again refused to execute him.

- Those jurors did the best job they could

with the case that was presented to them.

I think what their statement says is they

knew there was something wrong

and somebody had some involvement here.

but they also as they have said themselves,

that there were lies, there were mistruths,

there were bungling, there was arrogance,

there was things that were not pursued

like the other John Doe's.

And so they felt like there was a reasonable doubt.

Michael Fortier became a witness for the

federal prosecutors,

received a 10-year sentence and was released in 2006

directly into the witness protection program.

Justice the government announced,

had been served.

* And I know tomorrow

* Will be the same

* 'Cause we've got a life of love *

Dang daddy, I didn't know you sang good.

Hey my dad's good, don't listen!

As the government proclaimed justice

for all impacted by the bombing,

the people back in Oklahoma still sought the truth

and knew now they were on their own.

The list of questions continued to grow

due to the mysterious death of Oklahoma City

police officer sergeant Terrence Yeakey.

Terry Yeakey, unlike the rest of Oklahoma

may have known too much.

- Officer Yeakey was just over 30 years old

at the time of the bombing.

And the morning of the bombing he was issuing

a traffic ticket near the Civic Center Music Hall.

Which is about four blocks to the west

of where the Murrah building stood.

He dropped the ticket book,

let the woman go,

and says "I have to obviously attend to other things."

He heard the multiple blasts

coming from the Murrah building.

Sped up there in his black and white squad car

and immediately started pulling out the

first of eight people.

Mr. Tom Hall being the first a former employee of the GSA.

Tom to this day,

in fact I talked to him a couple weeks ago,

still has the utmost respect for Officer Yeakey.

He literally saved his life.

Officer Yeakey, being an astute police officer

for seven years, veteran of the Oklahoma City Police

Department knew that something was horribly wrong.

He tried to get the official story line out

through his commanding officers at the Oklahoma City

Police Department, through his family,

through his ex-wife.

And he chose to withhold some of the story line

because he was in fear of for his family,

and his wife, and his two young daughters at the time.

What we found out between the hours

of 8 a.m. and 1 p.m. that that morning

he was brutally murdered a mile and a half

from the front gate of the El Reno penitentiary.

From that moment that his body was found

we know that the crime scene was destroyed.

They were spade shovels that were used

to turn over the crime scene.

Ballistics, any gunpowder residue,

anything that had to do with his death

was was completely destroyed, it was corrupted.

- He started having problems with not only at work,

but his apartment got broke into,

his car got broke into.

Things were stolen out of his house.

He had accumulated reports, evidence,

I don't know what all, but he was going to take it

out to a mini storage in El Reno.

And he left one one night

and he told a friend of his

that they were gonna go out to dinner

and he says "I gotta run out and put

"some stuff in mini storage.

"And as soon as I shake these feds that are

"following me I'll be back and we'll go to dinner."

Well he never came back.

Instead he was found the next day by a

Canadian County sheriff's deputy.

Well they found his car first

and then they found him in a field

near the El Reno penitentiary.

The damage to his body was obviously a torture homicide.

It was obvious.

But what intrigued me the most,

that he had several cuts on both of his wrists,

inside both elbows,

both jugular veins,

he'd been beaten.

He had ligature marks around his neck,

he had handcuff marks on his hands,

on his wrists, and he had a small caliber

bullet wound that started above on the right

hand side of his temple

and exited low on his cheek

with no powder burns.

- The day of his death,

when my daughter called me,

I left work went to El Reno

to help because I could hear the seriousness

in her voice that she was getting upset.

Why would the police be looking, calling her,

looking for Terence?

And when we went to the apartment where he lived,

the manager there stated to us,

"Well why are you looking for him?

"The police have already been here

"and taken his cruiser."

I'm not sure what was going on.

It was strange.

At about 10 o'clock at night

I had put my grandkids to bed.

The phone rang and when I picked the phone up

I could hear my daughter screaming in the background.

And I assumed something bad had happened.

But I didn't think death.

And my son said "Mom they found Terry.

"He's dead."

- One of the things that surprised me was

that there was no autopsy performed.

The other thing that really bothered me was

we were being told that Terry was high on drugs and drunk.

And of course the Medical Examiner's Office

did a report when Terry and his injuries.

Which was really not an autopsy but just

a good overview.

And it showed that his BAC was zero.

Meaning no blood alcohol content.

There was no drugs in his system.

It bothered me that they didn't treat Terry

like a police officer like he was.

He was a good guy.

- And he never said to us that I'm depressed.

You know, I need help.

Not to me or

not to his sisters.

I think it's only fair

that we know as Terrance's family members what happened.

- Officer Yeakey's official cause of death was suicide.

And that was actually laid out in the

medical examiner's report

at the Oklahoma State medical office, examiner's office.

We've since were able to retrieve that record.

What we found out though is that,

number one the crime scene was corrupted.

When completely in the face of a proper

investigative procedure,

the extent and the amount of a number of wounds

on his body clearly shows that

he was couldn't commit suicide.

Physically and logistically

you just can't do that to yourself.

Terry also we know was anemic.

He would not have been able to traverse

over half a mile from where his car was

to where his body was found and not have passed out.

His heart would have literally given out.

He wouldn't have had enough blood pressure

in his body to survive.

The car was locked, the windows were rolled up,

the keys were in the console,

there was a bloody knife in the in the glove box.

You don't stab yourself 13 times and

have superficial wounds on the, you know,

along your arms and chest and

your upper neck and walk a half a mile

and decide to die next to a tree.

- Being the family of an officer,

I expected some kind of care

and consideration for us

being the family of Terrence.

There was another detective by the name

of Mullenix that

told my daughter that she looked at too many movies

and she needed to see a psychiatrist

when we were asking questions.

Wanting to know about his belongings.

Wanting to know about things

that happened during the course of

where they say they found my son.

And I don't think this was very kind of them

and considerate of us being family.

That they should have talked to us like that.

But they did.

And as far as I'm concerned,

that made me more suspicious of what happened to my son.

The brutal torture and murder

of Terry Yeakey served not only to silence his voice,

but the voices of other first responders

who may have seen something that would shed light

on what really happened.

Those who keep their silence know exactly what Terry saw.

But he will never be forgotten by those who ask

questions and demand answers.

In the absence of official action,

a group of concerned citizens decided to form

their own investigative panel.

The OKBIC, better known as,

the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee.

Their goal was to compile enough evidence

that would attract attention by the media

and the government.

And therefore compel a more thorough investigation.

Entirely funded by donations and their own money,

the OKBIC took affidavits, recorded eyewitness testimony,

and paid for private investigators to chase down leads.

- I'm Charles Key state representative in Oklahoma City

and I've formed the

Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee.

I had a number of constituents come to me

and other people that started raising their own

questions about the investigation.

What direction it was going because it seemed like

there was an effort to try to change

that initial report of what took place

from the first day of the bombing,

as the days and weeks went by.

- We looked at what state representative Charles Key did.

He went on the facts.

He went on the information the grand jury gleaned.

And clearly there was complete prior knowledge.

- I observed the fact that Charles Key

seemed to be

standing up for the truth in some areas

that I felt like

was not being dealt with appropriately

by authorities.

The Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee was formed

for one purpose and that's to obtain the truth.

- First I thought "Well that's just another politician

"trying to get a little publicity."

Then when I when I met them,

met Charles Key and Colonel Wallace

and Dale Phillips,

found out that they were for real.

And and they asked me if I would join them.

I agreed to join them.

- I think Charles Key's work is is absolutely outstanding

and it continues to be.

Even to this day we're looking at what 16 years on almost

coming this April.

Charles took a lot of risks.

- When we saw what was going on with the investigation

and that it was trying to move away from

the early facts that were presented by law enforcement

and by the media,

we pursued establishing a County grand jury

in Oklahoma County.

Something unique to Oklahoma and just a few other states

in the country that allows citizens grand juries

to be impaneled to investigate things such as this.

- The committee meetings were very serious.

We fought the government at every level.

All the way through to the Supreme Court

of this state.

- We had a lot of people that came forward

and brought us a lot of information

that we wouldn't have gotten any other way.

We were pursuing all the information

that we could get our hands on about the bombing

and we were trying to get a congressional investigation

of the bombing.

- I was in awe at the amount of effort that they put in

that first six and a half years before the

book was released.

And then they had the book release come out

to the general public three weeks before 9/11 occurred.

And to see every single obstacle that

was thrown in their face.

All the way from the news media,

to financial, to emotional,

interviewing over 329 victims,

family members, and survivors.

Well these people were consistently,

basically saying "I am not going to fail.

"I'm not going to quit.

"I want the truth to come out on this."

- So we we formed the Oklahoma County grand jury

to have essentially a citizen's investigation

into the Oklahoma bombing.

And that caused us to have to get

together a number of signatures

from citizens of Oklahoma County which we did.

- We got I don't know, 11 12,000 signatures.

We only were required 5,000.

And by getting all those signatures,

getting it validated and everything,

we then got a X amount of money.

A lot of money.

And the opportunity to set up a grand jury.

Well they turned the grand jury

over to our enemy which was Bob Macy.

And basically gave him the money

and then he proceeded to investigate us.

- I wrote a letter to the district attorney Macy.

Told him what I had seen

and that I wanted to testify in the grand jury.

I got a letter back from him telling me

that the grand jury did not want to hear

anything I had to say about the bombing.

- After the Oklahoma County grand jury

was actually initially formed,

then there were some efforts to try to stop that

by the Oklahoma County DA and others.

And at that time,

we organized ourself in a more formal way.

We hired private investigators

and some others to help us

put the information that we had gathered

together in a form that we could present

to that County grand jury.

- Four, five, six months into the investigation

we started suspecting

that our phones were tapped.

And I don't remember how we got the information

but we were given a number that we could dial

and it would either confirm

that they were tapped or that they weren't.

And we dial this number, it would confirm it.

We didn't really have anything to hide,

so it didn't really make that much difference.

It didn't affect our investigation too much.

- I think as we finalized our work,

as we got to the end,

as that grand jury was then paneled,

and as we put this report together,

we had a lot of media that was waiting for this report.

They were ready to give it some significant coverage.

And our report came back from the book publisher

about two weeks before 9/11,

and one of the things that we said and

some others said during that time frame

as before and after 9/11 that the reason

that we did this is because if you

don't ask the questions and you don't

hold government accountable,

in everything that it does, not just bombings like this,

but everything,

then you'll have the same mistakes happen again

and they will get worse as time goes on.

The official story dictated that the

Ryder truck packed with 1,200 pounds of

ammonium nitrate fertilizer and fuel oil

called ANFO detonated on the northeast

side of the building and was responsible

for all the damage.

That hypothesis later evolved into 4,800 pounds of ANFO,

then up to 7,000 pounds of fertilizer and nitro methane?

In fact, the only consistent theme

of the official narrative is its inconsistency.

- The truck bomb just delivers an air blast.

That's all it does, it's called an air blast.

But when you've got eight foot thick columns

of concrete filled with rebar

the size of your arm,

an air-blast probably won't even break one.

They break windows, that's about it.

But some of these columns were ripped up,

shredded, tossed around.

- Because a truck bomb is going to release

its energy

simultaneously in every direction.

And so the damage pattern to the building

or whatever structure it's parked in front of

and intended to blow up,

if it's a big enough, big structure,

bigger than a truck bomb can take out,

the damage pattern's gonna be roughly a semicircle.

- Now I looked at the building,

I was on the bomb squad for a couple of years.

I've worked some bombings

and I looked at the building and I knew

that the damage done to that building

couldn't have come from a truck with ANFO in it.

- A blast does not turn corners.

And it did look like that there was secondary explosion

or more intense explosion towards

the east side of the building.

Explosion or that portion of the explosion

did basically clear everything

from the front of the building to the south wall.

The Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee

was presented with evidence that explosives

planted inside the building were responsible

for the collapse and most of the casualties.

In this rarely seen footage taken by the

Oklahoma County Sheriff's Office minutes after the bombing,

the north side parking lot is shown littered

with paper and debris from inside the Murrah Building.

How did this volume of paper transport itself

against the blast wave of the truck bomb

and magically appear on the other side of the street?

- And then we look at the fact that

you have bombs clearly inside the building.

It's blown out across the street.

Pieces of it on top of buildings.

The opposite direction that the rubble should have gone in

if there was truly this high-powered truck bomb

out front that caused all the damage.

- And I can tell you that the building was blown

from the inside because all the debris

was piled up against the General Record building

clear across the parking lot.

In fact, several witnesses report that

bombs were going off in the building

before the truck bomb exploded outside.

- The first thing that I experienced,

I was sitting there signing some papers for Ruth.

I felt the building start shaking

and never had anything like that happened before

and I just kind of froze.

And then the lights went out.

It didn't get totally dark because the

whole front of the building was glass.

The lights went out and then the debris

started falling on my desk.

And then something hit me in the back of the head

and knocked me out before the truck bomb went off.

What that tells you is that there were other

explosive devices in the building that actually

brought the building down.

- The building started to

sway back and forth.

It would it was going back and forth.

And I had sat there

and I thought,

"No it doesn't feel like an earthquake."

And I was you know I was kind of stunned

and then about seven or eight seconds later

I felt this explosion and you could feel,

actually feel

the concrete floor actually rising

from underneath you.

You could feel it coming up from the inside.

- It was like slow motion.

We crawled under before the glass started coming

and everything just,

it just seemed to roll in on us.

I thought it was an earthquake when it started.

It was just kind of a shake and then,

everything started going like this,

and I dove under the desk and then all the glass came

in the ceilings came down.

Three seismographs at the

University of Oklahoma, the Omniplex Science Museum,

and at Franklin Oklahoma, recorded a seismic event

lasting eight to 10 seconds

that suggests the possibility of two blasts.

There were two energetic spikes.

One was the truck bomb and the second spike

was explained away as air blast pushing on the ground

or falling debris.

But a representative of the Oklahoma Geological Survey

stated for the record that this spike was not

the result of floors collapsing

and that the last five seconds of ground motion

did not have air blast associated with it.

The Khobar Towers bombing in 1996 in Saudi Arabia

killed 19 US Airmen.

That bomb was several times larger

than the bomb supposed to have been used in Oklahoma.

It left a huge 85-foot crater,

yet there was no major structural damage

on the simple slab building.

What happened in Oklahoma City to cause

the major horizontal support beam to fail

and the complete failure of these two

series of columns on the east side of the building?

This collapse was responsible for most of the casualties.

The crater, when seen from above,

is offset from the major structural damage

in the building.

For some reason the official story

has inflated the size of this crater.

- The bomb at least I've seen

where the reports from different agencies

have said the bomb extended from the cab

to the tail of the truck.

And one of the thing that really bothers me about that is

is that the rear axle from the truck

went down in collided with the car

in front of the Regency Tower

about a block and a half away.

The front axle of the truck

was hurled eastbound and struck a parking meter

about a block and halfway in front of

the YMCA building.

The bomb was that big that that rear axle

would have been driven into the crater

and instead of being where the part as they were.

The truck bomb itself to me had to be

between the two axles.

It could not have been over that rear axle.

- I was surprised from the even the FEMA report

and the published reports that

nobody could determine what the size of the crater was.

And that's one of the things I brought up

at the grand jury investigation is that the crater

was half the size that they had proposed in

the FEMA report.

The crater had a five-gallon bucket sitting next to it,

after they had uncovered and you could

extrapolate from the size of that bucket

to the size of the hole as to what size

of the crater was.

And it was approximately 16 feet across.

- August 24 1970,

it was a Monday morning.

Carlton Armstrong his brother Dwight and two other

perpetrators Leo Burt and one other individual

drove up to the side of the Sterling Hall.

It was a math research building.

Dow Chemical had their offices there.

It was federal government as well as

the university faculty that worked there.

And they had drove a Ford Econoline van

stolen from a math professor laden with

four metal drums.

50 gallon drum is full of ammonium nitrate and fuel oil.

The Sterling Hall bombing consisted

of 2,000 pounds of ANFO

and it was set off right next to the building.

The windows were blown, in the facade was damaged,

but there was no structural damage.

In fact, the army math lab was closed for only one day.

In Oklahoma City a similar ANFO bomb detonated 15 feet away

from a much more robust structure

and inflicted massive structural damage.

- What that case did was it said

it was a bellwether.

It set a standard for us to look at.

It says okay if ANFO was in fact used in

Oklahoma City, why did it not have the characteristics

of what occurred in Madison?

Furthermore, the signature of an

ANFO explosion is nitric oxide. a noxious gas.

- It was certainly no fertilizer bomb,

we know that because there was no ammonia gas in there

in every other explosion.

And some students blew up.

Did make an ammonium nitrate bomb,

but everybody who rested that building

after explosion had to be hospitalized.

If you ever smelled ammonia strongly,

and you're talking about going into a horse trailer

or something like it that, that's not strong

but that'll gag ya.

It will sear your lungs.

I mean everybody that smelled that ammonia gas

after that ammonium nitrate bomb at that university

had to be hospitalized.

It would have been 30 minutes or an hour

depending on how hard the wind was blowing

before anybody could have even approached

the Murrah Building,

if there had been an ammonium nitrate bomb.

- There were other search and rescue personnel

that were down there immediately

from Saint Anthony's Hospital nearby.

As well as office employees from the surrounding offices.

They would have approached the crime scene

and buckled over almost immediately vomiting violently

if there was ammonium nitrate gas.

There wasn't.

- I was watching General Partin,

the former head of Air Force weapons development

point out that the building was blown out.

That it wasn't the signature

of an ammonium nitrate fertilizer bomb.

That there'd been a cover-up.

The damaged Murrah Building drew the attention

of retired General Benton K Partin,

former director of the air force armaments laboratory.

General Partin spent his career conducting

bomb damage analysis with explosives for the military.

General Partin came to Oklahoma City,

examined the available evidence

and rendered a conclusion far different

than the story being pandered by the government and media.

- I spent over 30 years in the Air Force.

Most of that was in research and development.

I went to a two-year graduate program

at headquarters of armament engineering graduates.

The first course that was ever set up.

And after that I worked at the ballistic research

laboratories in Aberdeen,

which is two years of hands-on work

designing, developing, continuous rod warheads

for the missile among other weapons systems.

Well the truck bomb,

even though it was fairly massive

was somewhat removed from some of the structures

that were damaged.

It clearly had some what you call

Brisance damage.

Where the blast pressure was way above

what you would expect to get from the truck

at that distance.

Brisance damage is that caused by an explosive

whose blast wave is powerful enough

to shatter and destroy the material affected.

The problem with the failed columns at the Murrah Building

is at that distance, the air blast from an ANFO bomb

would have been 10 times less powerful

than what was needed to dissolve the concrete

and cut the rebar.

Those columns, had they failed due to air blast

should have broken with sharp chunks of concrete

connected by rebar.

Not sheared off at critical points.

Brisance damage indicates contact explosives

placed directly on the beams.

Even more perplexing is the total collapse

of column B3, which caused the floors on the east side

to pancake onto one another.

The building was gutted to within feet of the other side.

Column B4, closer to the truck bomb is completely intact,

yet we are supposed to believe that a blast wave

traveled through B4, leaving the sheet rock

almost untouched and completely

destroyed the column farther away.

And most of the front columns were destroyed

when the supporting header beam failed.

But the cause of failure supposedly being air-blast,

should have thrown it into the building.

Instead it fell straight down and rolled towards the crater.

General Partin's report was conclusive.

The Murrah Federal Building was not destroyed

by one sole truck bomb.

The major factor in its destruction

appears to have been detonation of explosives

carefully placed at four critical junctures

on supporting columns within the building.

Many independent experts concurred with the Partin report.

Sam Cohen, inventor of the neutron bomb

issued this statement.

"I believe that the demolition charges in the building

"that were placed inside at certain key concrete columns

"did the primary damage to the Murrah Federal Building.

"It would have been absolutely impossible

"and against the laws of nature

"for a truck full of fertilizer and oil,

"no matter how much was used to bring the building down."

The FBI put all their weight

behind the lone bomber theory

and tailored the evidence to fit that scenario.

Dr. Frederic Whitehurst, a supervisor at the FBI crime lab

turned whistleblower over the bureau's handling

of the evidence in the Oklahoma City bombing.

- Released a report today

condemning the FBI crime lab

for mishandling evidence and for slanting its analysis.

The report is expected to specifically criticize

the labs handling of the Oklahoma City

and World Trade Center bombing cases.

It was the allegations of FBI whistleblower

Frederick Whitehurst that sparked that investigation.

Forced to resign,

Dr. Whitehurst testified in Terry Nichols trial

that a fellow FBI chemist had changed his findings

and lied under oath after meeting with federal prosecutors.

The Office Of The Inspector General or OIG,

investigated Whitehurst charges

and issued a report which concluded that the

FBI crime lab had improperly identified

the characteristics of ANFO, the weight of the bomb,

the detonation system,

and even what kind of explosive was used.

- Oklahoma City case will get a lot of attention

because what the Inspector General goes on

at some length to say in his analysis of

an agent testimony in some of the pre-trial stages,

is that one agent in particular

made sort of seat-of-the-pants estimates

about the Oklahoma City bomb

but then couched them in his reports,

in his written reports as being the result

of scientific evidence.

- The FBI laboratories built itself for many many years

as the premier of forensic laboratory in the world.

The people that did the things they did

knew doggone well what they were doing.

The Wright Armament Laboratory

at Eglin Air Force Base conducted a series of explosive

tests to compare their data to the bombing in Oklahoma.

The Eglin test structure was a simple three-story

concrete slab building with no support columns.

The engineers at Eglin tried to recreate the truck bomb

as McVeigh and the FBI claimed it was constructed.

With 4,000 pounds of ANFO packed into a dozen barrels.

But they found that each barrel

acted as a separate bomb,

canceling out the explosive force of each other

and pushing most of the blast upwards.

So they constructed a single more powerful bomb

and exploded it outside the target building

to test the effects of air blast.

They found that their weaker test structure

suffered less damage from a more powerful bomb

then was supposedly used at Oklahoma City.

The report for the Wright Laboratory

at Eglin Air Force Base concluded

"the damage at the Murrah Federal Building

"is not the result of the truck bomb itself,

"rather due to other factors such as locally placed

"charges within the building."

The evidence is undeniable.

Despite the pleas of the official story

that the Ryder truck bomb was not the

sole cause of destruction that day,

that there were bombs placed inside the building

which caused the brunt of casualties

as floors collapsed on helpless victims.

- And the rescuers apparently had to abandon

the people they were trying to rescue temporarily.

Were you there a minute ago

when somebody yelled they thought

they'd see a second device?

- Yes sir, we were close to the parking area

trying to recover a victim.

As rescuers desperately tried to

free the victims from the rubble,

several evacuations of the site

due to reports of other bombs impeded these efforts.

- At some point we got to the corner of 5th

and I believe it was Robinson.

Right there at the corner of the Murrah Building

and we heard "Second bomb."

Somebody yelled "Second bomb."

I stopped, I turned around,

people were running past me.

And I just kind of watched what what was unfolding.

Of course never nothing ever did happen.

The Oklahoma Highway Patrol

reported that another explosive device was found.

The Oklahoma City Fire Department confirmed that.

Defense Department logs recorded that

a second bomb was disarmed, a third bomb was evacuated.

- The explosive that they

disarmed last night was even larger.

Who planted these bombs

and had access to the Murrah Building before the bombing?

A deputy sheriff recorded this footage

during one of the evacuations.

Here the ATF is seeing pulling out several weapons

and blocks of what appeared to be plastic explosives.

Was this the source of the bomb scare?

Or did this ordnance come from an illegal armory

that witnesses report the ATF kept in the Murrah Building?

The ATF denies they kept any weapons

or explosives in the building.

- Day one hour two of the bombing,

the most significant event that happened

is when they said they found other bombs in the building.

The second most significant event was that

way moved everybody back

and held 'em back.

There were still people alive trapped in the building,

but they came in with two trucks and backed

'em up to the Murrah Building and a bunch of these

guys dressed in blue jackets with no letters on the back

started taking boxes of files out

and putting 'em on his truck.

- We were towed by a blonde female agent

that there were files so serious to the government

that until those files were located

there would not be any recovery effort.

- If we remember the Whitewater investigation in Arkansas,

all the paperwork was stored in the Murrah Building.

They had FBI just over in the fields

to the west of the Murrah Building picking up paper

almost all day long.

- And it was during this time

that early in the investigation

that I started receiving some various phone calls.

One of them wasn't a phone call from Little Rock Arkansas.

The guy said that he was a federal agent,

he was not an FBI agent, he was not ATF.

But what he did say was during their

investigation of the Clintons,

on the all the drug-running that went through Mena Arkansas

and you know Lasater's ranch and all of that stuff

that was going on at the time during Iran-Contra,

that those records when

Clinton went to Washington were

transferred from there to the Murrah Building.

- Because of the additional bomb threats

or because the building was unstable

and the firefighters couldn't get to them.

So those are a lot of patients I think were lost

that could have been saved.

After rescue and recovery had been halted

the building was prepped for demolition

even though all the bodies had not been recovered

and despite the architects report that it could be rebuilt.

The investigative team from the

American Society of Civil Engineers was not allowed on site.

The defense lawyers for McVeigh

were able to visit the site one time,

but even then they were not allowed to view the crater.

- They were going to halt it on the 29th of April.

They were gonna halt recovery

and prepare the building to be imploded.

We went back in after the final demolition

to relocate two victims that we knew

that we had left and possibility of a third victim

which we also located.

I don't know why they were in such a rush.

GSA was saying the building was unsafe

and needed to be dropped down.

A month after the bombing,

the Alfred P Murrah Federal Building was completely

demolished with less than 200 pounds of explosives.

The wreckage was buried under armed guard

and one can only think that certain officials

breathed a sigh of relief as the outstanding counterpoint

to the official story disappeared in a cloud of dust.

Tid bits of truth about the Oklahoma City bombing

would often come from the most unlikely of places.

Another strange and brutal murder,

at first seemingly unrelated to the bombing

would set the stage for some of the most damning evidence

that the government was withholding from the public.

- My name is Jesse Trentadue.

I'm an attorney from Salt Lake City Utah.

My brother Kenneth Michael Trentadueo

was murdered in the Federal Transfer Center

here in Oklahoma City in August of 1995.

Kenny had a hard life.

You know, I've often thought about that.

And how he ended up the way he did.

He was an incredibly bright man.

An incredible athlete.

He set the national record in high school

for the two-mile run as a freshman.

Went into the service and like so many boys

did during the Vietnam War

they come out in heroin addicts.

He robbed banks or two banks to support that habit.

He was caught and he pled guilty.

Went and did his time.

He was a very strong guy.

He wasn't very big but it was very tough.

He was easy going, but he wouldn't back down.

So if you pushed him you were gonna get a fight

and it was a fight you we're gonna lose.

We loved him and stood behind him

and he was a good man.

Kenny was supposedly arrested for a probation violation

and sent to Oklahoma City at the transfer center

for a probation hearing.

We now know that that's crap.

I said to him "Kenny what what are you doing there?"

And he says "Well they sent me back here for

"a probation hearing."

And we talked about getting him a lawyer.

And the fact that we didn't expect him to do more

than a couple of months.

And so my mother called me at work,

it was about seven in the morning

and told me that and I couldn't believe it.

And that Kenny supposedly killed himself.

Because I just spoken with him the night before.

There's no way in hell he would have killed himself.

This was not a guy who kills himself.

I mean his life is the best it's ever been.

I found out later that an autopsy had already been done.

Now the government, the federal government

didn't want one done.

But the state of Oklahoma required one

for a death incarceration.

So the federal government didn't know

there was an autopsy done,

did not want the autopsy done.

And the federal government went twice

to the medical examiner's office

asking to have Kenny cremated.

It took a week to get his body released and home.

And I kept getting the runaround

from the federal government and finally I just screamed

in the phone one day "Why don't you keep him."

And when the body comes home is totally made up

so you can't see the wounds.

He was beaten head to toe.

His skull was smashed in in three places.

The soles of his feet had been beaten.

You could see the finger print bruises on his arm

where he'd been held.

His throat was cut,

and he'd been strangled.

And the federal government said it was a suicide by hanging.

When his body's turned over to the medical examiner

two hours later he's wearing nothing but boxer shorts.

The government said they don't know what

happened to the clothes.

They cleaned the cell that morning

so the medical examiner can't do an examination of it.

And the medical examiner's not allowed into the cell

for six months.

And when he finally is allowed in,

he does a test that's called luminol

that will reveal the presence of blood.

And Fred Jordan told me that the cell lit up

like a Christmas tree.

The log books involving my brother disappeared.

The ones that didn't disappear,

the pages from the log books are missing.

The crime-scene photographs disappear.

The negatives of the crime-scene photographs disappear.

The video camera supposedly malfunctions.

Within an hour of death he'd consumed

the equivalent of 30 bottles of coca-cola.

And Dr. Jordan told me that caffeine is used

in a lot of countries like third-world countries

to enhance pain under torture.

And he also told me that the beatings

on the soles of the feet were indicative of torture.

And I believe it was the FBI.

I firmly believe that for a lot of reasons.

Now I didn't start out believing that.

I start out trusting them

until I could see what they were doing.

And they would come to me asking for information.

And then immediately go

and destroy the evidence,

threaten the witness.

Do everything they could to prevent the case

from being made a murder.

People were leaking me stuff.

They wanted me to know.

They didn't want me to know who they were.

Late December of 95, early January 96 I get a phone call.

The person won't leave their name.

The person said your brother was killed by the FBI.

They said it was an interrogation that went bad.

It was a case of mistaken identity.

That he fit a profile

of people who were robbing banks

to get money to attack the federal government.

Just before he was executed

I get a message from Tim McVeigh.

And he told me he said, "When I saw your brothers picture

"and heard what happened to him,

"I wanted you to know that I think the

"FBI killed him because they thought he

"was Richard Lee Guthrie."

Early on the FBI had investigated

the possibility that a string of bank robberies

committed by what the media dubbed

the Midwest bank robbers had financed the bombing.

Led by Peter Langan and Richard Lee Guthrie,

aka Wild Bill.

The gang called themselves the Aryan Republican Army.

The purpose of the robberies,

to finance a race war within the United States.

Wild Bill closely resembled some of the

John Doe number two sketches and had a

tattoo similar to that reported by witnesses.

In an affidavit, Peter Langan revealed that a member

of the ARA had admitted to liabilities

concerning the bombing.

Another member had threatened

"We're going to get them.

"We're going to hit one of their buildings

"during the middle of the day.

"It's going to be a Federal Building."

Most of the ARA was arrested for bank robbery

soon after the bombing.

Peter Langan offered to provide information

about his co-conspirators relationship with McVeigh.

This offer was refused.

Then I got a call from a,

a great guy.

JD Cash.

He was a hunting and fishing reporter

at the McCurtain County news

in eastern Oklahoma.

He had friends that were killed in the bombing

and family wounded.

And one day he calls me up and he says,

"Jessie can I talk to you?"

I said "Well sure who are you?

He says, "I'm JD cash."

He says "I'm investigating the bombing in Oklahoma."

And he said "I'm interested in your brother's death.

"Can I ask you some questions?"

And I said "Yes."

And JD said "Well did he have any tattoos?"

And I said "Yes" and he says "What and where?"

I said "A dragon tattoo on his left forearm."

JD said "Oh my god."

He said "Are you sitting down" I said "Yeah."

He said "Let me tell you this."

He said "When your brother was picked up

"and sent to Oklahoma,

"the largest manhunt in American

"history was in place for John Doe two."

We didn't start out to solve the Oklahoma City bombing case.

We started out for justice for my brother.

But every lead,

every trail,

every bit of important evidence

has brought us to the Oklahoma City bombing.

Now the Freedom of Information Act

is an act that Congress passes.

It says the government supposed to turn over

documents and information to you

that you request.

Unless there's a good reason not to.

Such as national security.

I bring the first four year suit saying

I want all documents showing a link

between the FBI

in the Southern Poverty Law Center

and the Oklahoma City bombing.

And the FBI comes back

and says there are no documents.

They didn't know that I'd been leaked two teletypes

from FBI director Louis Freeh.

Then director Louis Freeh

talking about Elohim City,

talking about informants,

talking about the Southern Poverty Law Center,

talking about the fact that when they

had called Elohim City two days before the bombing

asking for more help.

So I sue them and they walk in the court

and they tell a federal judge there's no documents.

Well I file those too.

The federal judge looks at 'em and he says,

"You go back and you do a manual search

"and you bring everything you find back into court."

Well then they come back and plead with the judge

and say "Judge, we promised anonymity

"and if we have to disclose these documents

"it will reveal their names

"and their lives will be in jeopardy."

German citizen Andreas Carl Strassmeir,

aka Andy the German, came to the U.S. in the early 90s.

Professing neo-nazi beliefs he moved to Elohim City

becoming their chief of security.

He was reported by ATF informant Carol Howe

and others to make threats about bombing

federal buildings and assassinations of public officials.

It is known the McVeigh called Elohim city twice

looking for the mysterious German,

when members of the ARA were living with Strassmeir.

McVeigh also attempted to reach Andy's

attorney Kirk Lyons by phone in the days before the bombing.

- We start looking at Strassmeir real hard

and this guy didn't add up either.

He was on special assignment and disappears

and shows up in Elohim City.

He came in through Texas

and was placed at Elohim City.

Now why Elohim City?

I mean nobody in Germany.

If I haven't heard of Elohim City and I live in Oklahoma,

how's anybody in Germany hear of this place?

Well evidently it was from a lawyer named Kirk Lyons.

I start putting dots together

and I start find out who these people are,

and who they know, who they run with,

and what their background, and what their history is,

and we create a picture from this.

We have Strassmeir doing all this paramilitary training.

He takes over as chief of security of a place

that didn't need any security.

Tells them they need to get rid of their shotguns,

and deer rifles, and buy assault rifles,

and SKS's and Ak's and stuff like this

because they're gonna be the next Waco.

Well he scares them down there.

They don't know what to do so they start

you know, gearing up for the last days

of the book of Revelation.

- Strassmeir is an interesting character.

These documents we got from the court.

It's my understanding he was a German intelligence officer.

He is apparently

after the bombing,

taken out of the country by a former CIA operative

back to Germany.

His visa as I understand had expired

and no one picked him up.

And he was smuggled out through Mexico and back to Germany.

- I said "Why wasn't Andy Strassmeir questioned?"

And one of the attorneys said

"Oh we did question him."

I said "Yeah, but you waited until he

"got back to back to Germany

"and then you called him up over the phone

"and asked him did he have anything to do with the bombing."

- In Tulsa at Lady Godiva's,

which is a strip bar.

One of the strippers named Sean T said that McVeigh

and Strassmeir

and several people had come in

a few days before the bombing

and there was a Ryder truck parked out in the parking lot.

- What we can say about Timothy McVeigh's connections

to Elohim City is that he called there

at least twice.

Once on April 5th and once on April 17th.

That he checked into a motel within miles from there.

That he received a speeding ticket within miles from there.

And that he also calls outlaying areas

of Elohim City residents

or acquaintances.

So very briefly those are his

provable connections to Elohim City.

The Southern Poverty Law Center

along with the FBI kept informants in Elohim City.

One of these may have been StrassMeir,

the supposed neo-nazi.

Known primarily for its work in litigating

against hate groups

and its outspoken chief counsel Morris Dees,

the SPLC has also become an informal

intelligence gathering arm of the FBI

and now the Department of Homeland Security.

They share the same interest with the federal government

in suppressing what they knew about prior knowledge.

- By the FBI's own admission there were at least

between four and six informants at Elohim City.

I don't want the population of Elohim city is

but it sounds like whenever three people get together

to talk about overthrowing the government

two of them were working for the government.

Andy Strassmeir's roommate

at Elohim City was Michael Brescia.

A young skinhead from Philadelphia

who was also a member of the ARA.

He was later convicted for bank robbery

and also bore a striking resemblance

to the John Doe number two sketches.

The FBI and the ATF had something to hide

in eastern Oklahoma.

Was McVeigh in Elohim City?

If so, what was he doing?

- My name is Josiah Stone

and I was on a spiritual journey.

I integrated quite quickly into Elohim City

and I was able to identify

with their concept of life

because I was looking for some answers to my own life.

I saw Timothy McVeigh

at Elohim City

eight weeks prior

to the Oklahoma City bombing.

And I remember him distinctly because

he has a distinct face.

But he was smiling.

He was smiling he was happy as he could be.

These people were loaded for bear.

And they were ready.

And they meant business.

I believe the mindset at Elohim City was

they didn't give a damn whether

they were implicated in it or not.

- What was interesting and I think

no one has paid any attention to it,

is that the CIA was involved at Elohim City.

Not only were they involved but they had

the spy satellites.

The National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.

I'd never heard of them before.

They run the spy satellites.

They had them over Elohim City.

I think one of the things that

may be most productive to getting into truth

was the discovery of an operation the FBI had in place

since about 1991 called PATCON.

P-A-T-C-O-N.

It's short for patriot conspiracy.

It was an idea they had to infiltrate

every militia group,

every neo-nazi group, every group critical of the government

in the United States.

The plan apparently was to put informants

in with all of these groups.

And I think

Elohim City was a PATCON operation.

I think McVeigh was obviously involved in it.

Now whether he was a target or an operative

I don't know.

Any more than I know whether the government

intended to blow up the Murrah Building.

But they knew it was going to happen.

And the knew McVeigh was going to do it

and they don't stop him.

As alleged in David Hoffman's book,

The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics Of Terror,

Strassmeir first aroused suspicion that he was

an undercover operative when he was caught in Texas

entering a federal building at night

with the key code.

Did he have access to the Murrah Building also?

- When we interviewed Jane Graham

who was a survivor.

She said that when she went to work,

it was either the day before or two days before.

I don't remember which.

She parked in the basement parking

and when she got out of her car was walking

across the parking garage,

she saw three guys down there wearing coveralls

and placing putty on the columns

and stringing wire between the putty.

Later she picks out one of the

guys from photographs

and says that's him, and it was Andreas Strassmeir.

- Strassmeir was there listening

going over the plans.

He was listening to everything.

He was what they were talking about,

looking at place, pointing to things,

But when they were talking,

whatever they happen to finally be talking about

and when I was looking at him at that point then he left

and went over to the other side of the building

so I wouldn't keep watching him.

The second man that was there

who appeared to be military.

He's the one, that the man in charge told

to put the stuff back in the car.

The second man obviously was taking

orders from the first man because he had

wire in his hands, which I thought was telephone wire.

It's that real light color thin wire.

And he also had what appeared to be gray putty.

- Well that's exactly how you string composition C4,

with det cord.

- And the details are chilling.

We'll also focus on surveillance cameras.

Cameras that caught the bombing on tape

and maybe the men behind the bombing.

The news channel has new information tonight

that there's a chance surveillance tapes

could be the smoking gun evidence.

And we asked candid questions in a rare

face-to-face meeting with ATF officials

close to the investigation.

We learned that video collected from downtown businesses

the morning of April 19th may some day

be played before a jury.

Officials won't say who or what exactly is on the tape

however, numerous sources have confirmed

the tapes exist and that they reveal more than one bomber.

- And I said "I want two other things from the FBI.

"I want the tapes from the surveillance cameras

"leading up to the Murrah Buildings

"on the day of the bombing.

"On the different buildings around the Murrah Building.

"And I want the tapes from the cameras

"on the Murrah Building."

Because I had received a government document that said

surveillance cameras show the bomb

detonating three minutes and six seconds

after the suspects exited the truck.

Suspects, not one, plural.

The fight now is over those tapes.

They don't deny they exist,

they just say we can't find them.

Now the notion that this is the biggest crime

the bureau's ever investigated

at that point in time.

The largest mass murder in American history.

The two most important pieces of evidence you have,

the arrest of McVeigh,

and the videotape showing McVeigh

delivering the bomb to the Murrah Building,

you can't find?

Incredible.

- The enhanced photo shows a very

distinct possibility of a man standing behind that truck.

And the time sequence camera took additional photographs.

So will those additional photographs show

there was a man there?

Will they show that he was alone?

Will it show it was the suspect Tim McVeigh?

The additional photographs in the trial

should help point that out.

- I think one of the things that stands out to me

is the fact that that during that first

morning while we were being held at bay

from being a recovery work,

there were FBI agents or at least men

in FBI raid jackets

dismantling the video cameras off the side of the building.

- I'm Charlie Rose with Legend Video Transfer.

And the FBI had employed me to duplicate

a number of videos for them

shortly after the Murrah Bombing.

I was asked to duplicate approximately 400 tapes

for the FBI.

We had two FBI agents

in the office.

We had two studios set up for duplication.

And each FBI agent was required

to stay in the room with each of us

that were in that room.

Really didn't have the opportunity to sit back

and watch the videos.

There's probably a lot to learn.

You know from the videos that they saw.

Some of our meaningless,

but others, you know,

could make some

powerful impact

on what actually happened.

- The government will not release the film

that was on the video cameras on the front of the building

that would show whether I was accurate or not accurate.

- Of course the other Achilles heel

is the video tapes of the building itself

from the different surveillance cameras that no one's seen.

If McVeigh was Lee Harvey McVeigh

all by himself, the loan nut with a truck,

then why don't they show us the video tapes of the truck?

Show us the video tapes of him getting out.

Or was there more than him in the truck?

- There were like 20, 22 films in the area

that were confiscated by the the FBI,

that would have shown the

truck being pulled up, people getting out of the truck.

It would have shown what was going on at the time

the explosions took place.

And obviously they confiscated those

and it didn't take much to figure out

that the federal authorities weren't trying

to get to the truth.

They seemed to be covering up things.

- Their first objective is to protect the agencies.

Not to do what's right,

not to do justice, not to serve the American people.

It's to protect themselves.

And they will do anything,

anything to do that.

Tim McVeigh was honorably discharged

from the army three years before the bombing.

Leaving behind an exemplary service record.

After a brief but intense combat experience

in the Persian Gulf War,

McVeigh tried out for the Special Forces.

He pronounced himself unable to continue

just a few days into the testing

and returned to his unit demoralized

and some say a changed man.

- Through being able to see Timothy McVeigh's

letters to his defense team,

this was really behind-the-scenes stuff.

Letters to his family.

The memo's the defense team writes

which detail his mood from day to day.

Some of the medical reports while he's in prison

which detail his thoughts.

On the one hand you have the McVeigh

who's mad at the government,

on the other hand you have the McVeigh

who works for the government.

The defense team themselves could never

obtain his full military records

and even though they were ordered by a judge.

He turns up in Buffalo New York.

And while he's up there

he creates what's known as a legend.

Now legend is when you go undercover

or you get sheep dipped.

Sheep dipped means you change your identity,

you change who you work for,

and become a new person.

Changes his personality up there

and all of a sudden he's ranting and raving

about the Turner Diaries, and overthrowing the government,

and all this other nonsense to where they're going,

"This guy's a wacko."

He works up there six months and disappears.

Where do we find him again?

Going into militia meetings and doing the same thing.

Making sure he's noticed.

- If you look at Lee Harvey Oswald

and Tim McVeigh and other patsies, they're very similar.

They're in the military,

they've got security clearances.

McVeigh wrote a letter to his sister

who turned it over to the FBI in which he

admits that he was selected out of Special Forces training

to participate in covert operations.

To help run drugs to fund these operations

and to assassinate security risks.

Mere bravado or was McVeigh telling the truth?

- The FBI had put wiretaps

on the McVeigh family's phone

after the bombing.

And so I'm reading this conversation

back and forth between his mother and his sister.

There's actually a few of these conversations

where they say "We don't understand why

"the FBI won't listen to us

"and why the media is reporting the Timothy McVeigh

"washed out or dropped out of Special Forces."

They're saying "No, we were told that he was

"still active in the military

"and that he was working on these covert missions."

- And he told his family, he told many others,

Terry Nichols has signed an affidavit

that McVeigh believed he was out there

infiltrating militias and right-wing groups

and was preparing to set him up.

And then of course he later learned that

he was the guy that got set up.

If McVeigh was working for the government,

what are we to make of the involvement of Terry Nichols

the only convicted accomplice?

- When Nichols had been convicted

but not given the death penalty,

in federal court and in state court

he could not be tried again.

He wrote to Attorney General,

then attorney general Ashcroft and said

"Come and see me.

"Come and see me and I'll tell you all about it."

In his declaration Nichols stated that

"Crucial parts of this terrorist attack remained hidden

"from the American people.

"specially the identities of others unknown

"who collaborated with McVeigh in the bombing."

McVeigh told Nichols that he had been

recruited to perform undercover missions

while in the US Army.

Always the good soldier,

McVeigh revealed only one name in his chain of command.

Larry Potts, assistant director of the FBI

and the lead agent on the Ruby Ridge catastrophe in 1992

in which a U.S. marshal and 14-year old Sam Weaver

and his mother Vicki Weaver were killed.

Leary Potts later played an active role

in the siege at Waco.

McVeigh was angry at Potts for going off-script

and changing targets at the last minute.

Another telling clue is on Tim McVeigh's death certificate.

Despite being officially out of the military

for nine years and having held

many different jobs since then,

his listed occupation was US Army.

So why did Tim McVeigh take the fall for his accomplices?

Perhaps the intervention of a known psychological

warfare expert explains the silence till the end.

- The record clearly shows that Dr. Jolyon West

consulted Timothy McVeigh's defense team.

Dr. West had previously been a psychiatrist

and consulted for Patty Hearst, Sirhan Sirhan,

and Jack Ruby.

- We know that Jolyon West was considered

to be the number two mind-control expert

in North American, under only Dr. Ewen Cameron.

- Dr. West came under a lot of scrutiny

during his time as chief of psychiatry at UCLA

because he was proposing

using prisoners, the general community,

poor people, minorities, as test subjects.

And then West's career continues to

flourish through the 80s

and he continues his research into hypnosis.

Branches out into terrorism and cults.

Even consulting and later writing about the Waco massacre.

- Dr. John Smith, if that's even his real name

was the protege of Dr. Jolyon West.

Mr. mind control.

And he was McVeigh's doctor in prison.

Today it's reported that he is

one of the head psychiatrists,

one of the head doctors at Guantanamo Bay.

The fact that you've got the protege

of one of the fathers of modern mind-control

now being the head of psychiatry at Guantanamo Bay

which is an admitted mind-control laboratory,

that's even mainstream news.

I mean you couldn't make this up in a spy novel.

Truth is always stranger than fiction

and it's all hidden in plain view.

Was the bombing the product of a sting

gone out of control with McVeigh taking

the blame for a series of government failures?

- They kind of set up a sting operation

it appears to me

that went bad.

They thought they would stop,

you know, the efforts of Strassmeir,

MLR, and others through Elohim city.

- I eventually talked to this Senate staffer

and he informed me that the Oklahoma City bombing

was actually a sting operation that went wrong.

And that the effort to cover it up

was because they were not able to stop

the sting operation.

- When it fell apart in that they weren't able

to stop it right before it took place

and proclaim to the public how great they were

so they could get new funding for the ATF

because the ATF had lost so much credibility

due to the Randy Weaver situation.

- I don't know if anybody don't ever know.

I know my brother was killed.

I'm often asked why why why?

I know I brother was killed

for information he didn't have about the bombing.

Why the people in the Murrah Building were killed.

As I said, I don't know if they intended it

or it just got away from them.

God I hate to think that they did it on purpose.

Perhaps it was a deliberate

attack by a criminal element in this government

using the range of power to execute

and cover up their crime.

- In 2006 the American Behavioural Scientist

published the whole journal

on this concept that's being developed called

a state crime against democracy, SCAD for short.

There's a recognition, a growing recognition

among academia that

oftentimes people have not pursued

culpability into elite crimes

for the fear of being called a conspiracy theorist.

When there is a state crime

against the people, what generally happens

is that inquiries into these crimes

tend to be highly controlled,

tightly framed,

and be totally reliant on agencies who

stand to be embarrassed by investigations.

- It's now been declassified that the Gulf of Tonkin in 1964

to get the United States fully committed

into the Vietnam War was a staged event.

And those LBJ tapes have been released.

Where days before McNamara is telling him on the phone

how they're going to stage the event to get the

United States into the war

and what he would need to say at those press conferences.

In early 1995, the entire United States

was politically awakening.

The population was angry about Waco.

Now they were angry about

the United States losing its sovereignty

and Bill Clinton trying to pass

anti second amendment legislation.

The federal government was forced to basically come in

and create a crisis so they could demonize

anyone who thought the government was too big

or out of control.

In 1994 and 1995

the Congress had tried unsuccessfully

to pass their omnibus crime bill

that expanded federal jurisdiction.

That went after the Second Amendment

that was going to create all these new

federal agencies to spy on the American people.

And that was one of the reasons that

Oklahoma and other states were upset.

They understood this was totally unconstitutional

and a huge federal overreach.

And it violated the 10th Amendment.

But after the Oklahoma City bombing tragedy,

suddenly they were able to rename it

as the anti-terrorism effective death penalty act

and that was able to sell through.

- Well I think one of the things we'll be seeing

over the next few weeks and months

are new legislation both to deal with

domestic groups and international terrorism.

There's already one bill,

the Omnibus Terrorism Act of 1995 that's on the cards.

One of the dangers is that we stepped a little bit

too far and there are some, this bill is very controversial.

- But we see amazing parallels

between Oklahoma City and 9/11.

And we see it also being used as a mask

conditioning tool to launch a new war.

In the case of Oklahoma City,

a war against the American people.

In the case of 9/11, a war against the Middle East

and an invasion for resources.

- President Obama's chief of staff Rahm Emanuel

recently said that you can never let a good

crisis go to waste.

This is an example of real politic.

Taken to it's extreme,

we can quote the words of Robert Shapiro,

former Clinton advisor who recently wrote

in an editorial that the only thing

that can save the Obama administration

is another terror attack like Oklahoma City or 9/11.

So they think of us as expendable.

They're willing to ride our ashes,

stand in our graves to preserve their position.

This is an example of the Noble Lie.

- And in the months and weeks building up

to the Oklahoma City bombing there was

incredible conditioning on the news.

These people are scared of the federal government.

They're terrorists, they're gonna kill you,

they're gonna bomb you, you watch it's gonna happen.

And then sure enough it happened.

And then you look at the evidence

and government and black op fingerprints are all over it.

The establishment is going to have trouble in the future

orchestrating further atrocities like Oklahoma City.

Because the public is now really getting

wise of their tricks.

Oklahoma City is one of the best examples

we've got where we can prove clearly

that the official story is a fraud,

that the government was involved,

and is using it to demonize good Americans.

April 19 1995

will live on in history as a reminder

that we must all take an active role

in holding our leaders accountable.

It's legacy and lessons must be rooted in truth not myth.

The victims demand truth and justice.

We have all witnessed firsthand

the harsh reality of a government's ability

to manifest its will upon the people.

And it's up to the people to deprive government

of the power to commit crimes and profit from the lies.

- It is every patriotic Americans duty.

Every man, woman, and child's responsibility

to research the facts contained in this film,

to verify for yourself that this information is true

and that the rabbit hole goes even deeper,

and then take action to bring the criminals

that perpetrated this attack to justice.