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On April 19th 1995,

as many people were
starting their workday,

a beautiful spring
morning in the heartland

became chaos when at 9:02 a.m.

explosions tore through
the Alfred P. Murrah

Federal Building in
downtown Oklahoma City.

An explosion
at nine o'clock this morning

that did that damage you're
looking at right there.

Blowing off the entire
north face of that building.

- The Federal Building located
200 North West 5th Street

was almost completely destroyed.

- A terrible tragedy has
occurred here in Oklahoma City.

- The bombing in Oklahoma City

was an attack on
innocent children

and defenseless citizens.

168 people
were killed in the blast

and over 800 wounded.

The hospitals were
overrun with casualties.

A rescue worker was
killed from falling debris

within the first few hours.

But what would sear the bombing
in the hearts of Americans

was the 19 children
inside the daycare center

in the building who
had lost their lives.

The most beautiful
memorial left by anyone

is not in the rubble
of this building,

but in the hearts and the lives

that knew them and loved them.

We come today to
remember their lives

and we come today
to offer thanks.

Thanks for the 100's
and 100's of people

who were involved in the
rescue and recovery efforts.

Six
years before 9/11,

it was the first mass
casualty terrorist attack

on American soil.

The prologue to a new
chapter in American history

had been written in
blood, fear, and shock.

Terrorism had struck home.

From now on, nothing
would be the same again.

- We know that more than McVeigh
and Nichols were involved.

- There were questions
of other bombs

being found at the
scene of the crime.

Witnesses to the bombing.

- The FBI like any government
agency is more concerned

with power, prestige,

maintaining its position
rather than truth and justice.

- Based on the damage
pattern to the building,

but the government
say it's impossible.

- That life we had back
before the bombing,

that life is over.

- For the first time in my
fight with the government,

they stepped forward and said,

"It would pose a
grave risk for the

"national security
United States of America

"if we release these
CIA documents."

- If you know the truth the
truth will set you free.

- You've got to band together

or it's over for all of us.

The man on top will get you.

- If we don't expose the
facts that Oklahoma City

stinks to high heaven, the
same people that carried it out

are gonna do it over
and over and over again

and they're going to use
these frightening events

to drive a stake through
the United States

and kill our Republic.

Almost
immediately, the Oklahoma City

Police Department
announced they'd be on

the lookout alert for two
Middle Eastern looking suspects

wearing blue jogging suits.

Shortly before the bombing,
they were seen by a witness

running from the Murrah Building

and getting into a
brown pickup truck,

then driving away from
the scene of the crime.

It was soon determined,
that a truck bomb

had exploded directly
outside the building.

Approximately 200 feet
from the bomb crater,

a VIN number stamped
on a twisted axle

identified the vehicle
as a Ryder rental truck.

- Two suspects are in
custody this evening

in the bombing of Oklahoma
City's Murrah Federal Building.

Shortly
after the bombing,

a 26-year old US Army
veteran Timothy McVeigh was

pulled over by an Oklahoma
Highway Patrol officer

60 miles north of Oklahoma City.

He was stopped for
speeding in his car

without a license plate.

McVeigh would admit to
carrying a concealed handgun

and was taken into
custody without incident.

It was the first
time Timothy McVeigh

had been arrested in his life.

The original alert for
two Middle Eastern males

had been rescinded within
hours of the bombing

and the identification
number on the Ryder axle

was traced to her
rental agency in Kansas.

The renter had
given a false name,

but had listed his
address as a farmhouse

in Michigan belonging
to James Nichols.

James's brother Terry Nichols
was a friend of Tim McVeigh

from their time in the US Army.

Upon hearing the news
that he was wanted for

questioning in the bombing,

Terry Nichols turned
himself in to the Harrington

Kansas Police Department.

Within 24 hours
after the attack,

the FBI had received a
tip from a former coworker

of Tim McVeigh in
Buffalo New York.

The tipster informed
the FBI that McVeigh

had often espoused militant
anti-government views

and that McVeigh was very angry

over the siege of
the Branch Davidians

by federal agents in Waco Texas.

Which had ended in
a catastrophic fire

two years to the day before
the Oklahoma City bombing.

- That Friday they
showed the FBI bringing

Tim McVeigh out of the
jail in Perry Oklahoma.

And that's when I got angry.

When I saw that
it was an American

and it wasn't Middle Easterners.

I had a hard time
accepting the fact

that that Americans
would do that.

Americans are supposed
to love their children.

They are not supposed to
murder their children.

- Shaken,
disillusioned, angered.

That that could happen
in this country.

Upon
learning that McVeigh

was already in jail,
the FBI transferred him

to federal custody
and an indictment

was issued against Tim McVeigh,

Terry Nichols, and
others unknown,

for the bombing of the
Murrah Federal Building.

Another army buddy of
Mcveigh's, Michael Fortier

of Kingman Arizona
was later arrested

and charged with having
advanced knowledge

of the bombing plot.

- The last thing I
remember was being

thrown to the center of
that room and looking up

and looking into the sky

and there was no roof

and everything was
just suspended up in
the air in the sky.

- When I came to, I stood up
and I was facing the south,

but all the light was behind me.

I turned and looked
back to the north

and the whole front
of the buildings gone.

I'm about four to five feet
from where it dropped off.

- On the morning of
April the 19th 95,

my dog Gunny and I
arrived at the scene

of the Murrah Building.

There was a great deal
of chaos at the scene.

A lot of people
bleeding, and screaming,

running away from the building.

- I lost my two grandchildren,
they were in the daycare

center at Murrah building.

Their names were Erin
and Elijah Coverdale.

Erin was five years
old, Elijah was two.

I was living at the Regency

when the bombing happened.

And that morning I was at work.

I had custody of Erin and Elijah

so they lived with me.

And I had dropped 'em
off at the daycare center

that Wednesday morning.

I'd get up in the
middle of the night

and get in the shower
and turn the water on

so people would
hear me screaming

and I just scream
at God and ask him,

"What was wrong?

"Why were we being punished so?"

- I knew the Coverdale
boys, Elijah and Erin.

These two boys they
were characters.

Me being single and
living in this apartment,

I was kind of a party guy
at that time, 27 years old.

At one point in time I had
promised these two boys

that I was going to
give him some toys.

And problems that
living in the Regency

on the 18th floor you
leave something in your

car you don't want to
go back down and get it

because it's just a hassle
unless it's ice cream.

And so I left these
toys in the car

for the longest time I never
did get them those toys.

Until you know, after
they passed away

when I gave them to Jannie.

- Well then I got watching
the stuff down on the street

and kind of got
mesmerized by what was

going on down on the street.

While I was standing up there,

there was a little
girl that was taking

a photography class at UCO

that took a picture
of the building,

and I was in that picture.

- You could not see

anything in front of you.

The smoke was so
thick and so black.

And the only thing
I can tell you

is it smelled like sulfur.

If you were in a chemistry
lab, it smelt like sulfur.

And she said "You
can't go that way"

and I said "Why?"

She said "There is nothing
out there, it's gone."

The
reasons for the bombing,

the perpetrators, the rumors,

and the suspects
change depending

on whose viewpoint you take.

Like all controversial events,

some of those
closest to the event

and farthest away are bound
together by the questioning

of the official story.

The first questions
were directed at the

Bureau of Alcohol
Tobacco and Firearms

which had launched the raid
on the Branch Davidians.

The Oklahoma City office
for the ATF was located

in the Murrah Building
and was the supposed

target of the attack.

Yet, no agents were killed
or seriously wounded.

Was the ATF office
empty that morning?

- I asked him if I could
speak with an ATF officer

that worked in the building
so I could find out

if they knew anything
about my wife.

And he told me that
they were in debriefing

and I ask him, you know, I
need to talk to one of 'em,

I need to find out something.

And he said that none of
them had been in the building

so they weren't hurt.

Had been tipped by their pagers

that morning not
to come into work.

The ATF told
several different stories

to explain their
agents curious absence.

The most fantastic story
was that two agents

were indeed inside the building

and were heroes that day.

ATF agent Luke Franey
claimed that he was knocked

unconscious by the blast,

and after an aborted
helicopter rescue

crawled on to an outside
ledge to escape his office.

Franey then reported
that he then used his

martial arts skills to
break through several walls

and injured his hand.

Another agent Alex
McCauley claimed that

he was in an elevator at
the time of the bombing.

After free-falling
for five floors,

McCauley supposedly broke out
and rescued several people.

- My crews were the crews
working on the Murrah Building

the day of the bombing.

Immediately after the bombing
they called me on the radios

and at that point they were
going in to assist with,

because the fire department
hadn't even got there yet.

They were going to
check to make sure

all the elevators were clear.

They weren't aware, because
they were coming from

the south side that the building

on the north side was gone.

So they went in to
check the elevators

and that's when they
they found out how bad

the damage was
inside the building.

None of the elevators
went to free fall

because the governor over
speeds were not tripped.

The safety mechanisms on
the bottom of the elevators

were not tripped so
none of the elevators

had a free fall condition.

I think it was McCauley

indicated that they were
trapped in an elevator,

so at the grand
jury investigation

once I got the FEMA
report that showed

which elevator they were in

I said that there's no
possible way they could have

been in that elevator
because my men checked it

and it was still
locked from the top

and the doors were,

the wall had caved in against
the doors between floors.

So they couldn't have
gotten out of the

elevator without assistance.

Jane Graham
worked in the building

for over a decade.

Was vice president of the
Federal Employees Union

and has testified before
Congress on labor issues.

She knew everyone
in the building

and bore witness to suspicious
behavior that morning.

- On the morning of the bombing

when my husband dropped me off

and I got out of the car,

as I was walking
toward the entrance

there were two men
standing directly

in front of the double doors

and there was a little
sitting area there,

planter and so forth
there in front.

They were standing right
there on the sidewalk.

They had on ATF jackets.

Which said ATF on 'em.

They were talking
to a third gentleman

who was dressed in
business clothes.

And I saw them.

Their backs were to
me and I thought,

they don't normally, you know,

all the people we
see go up there

to ATF, they're
never identifiable.

They always are
dressed you know a

lot of them look like drug
people and other things.

And you know but they're
certainly not dressed for you

to be able to tell who they are.

A paramedic who
responded to the bombing,

Tiffany Bible, confirms
that the ATF were

not in their office
and in fact may have

been aware of some type
of threat that day.

In this affidavit, she
states that immediately

after the bombing she asked
an ATF agent on the scene

if any of them were
in the building.

He responded "No we
weren't in there today."

And that the Murrah building
was bombed because of Waco.

She further states
that within the first

20 minutes of the
bombing she saw at least

eight ATF agents
outside the building

in clean black jumpsuits.

To this day the ATF has
been unwilling to address

their prior knowledge
of the bombing.

Beyond the vague rumors
of the significance

of April 19th, some
federal agencies

were aware of an actual threat.

- One of those frustrating
things about prior knowledge

is that the media,
some in the media,

and others would accuse
us of saying that

the government blew
the building up.

Which we never said
and I do not believe.

The U.S.
Marshals responsible for

security of federal personnel
and facilities warned

that quote "Islamic
terrorists may be planning

"suicide attacks against
federal courthouses

"and government installations

"designed to attract
worldwide press attention

"through the murder
of innocent victims."

The ATF had placed
informant Carrol Howe

into a white separatist
community in eastern Oklahoma

called Elohim City.

Another ATF agent
admitted under oath

that one suspect Andy
Strassmeier, was reported

to make quote "Threats to
blow up federal buildings"

unquote, before the
Oklahoma City bombing.

Furthermore Carol Howe
actually drove Strassmeier

and other suspects
to Oklahoma City

to scout bombing targets.

Was this the source of the
ATF suspicious behavior

the morning of April 19th?

US representative Ernest
Istook of Oklahoma

also displayed advanced
knowledge of the bombing.

- My left from the east

I saw senator Istook kind
of work his way west.

Well he came up to me and we
started talking small talk.

You know, terrible
thing all this

and really didn't
know what much to say.

And he said, he
made the comment,

"Yeah we knew this
was going to happen."

- I noticed the lady back
behind me by a backhoe

over there taking pictures

She identified herself as
an attorney, Lana Tyree

and she was with Ernest Istook.

And she made a
comment to me that

Istook told her
that they were aware

of a bomb threat
since April 9th.

He didn't really
think much about it

until this grand jury and stuff

started probing
into it and people

were claiming that there
wasn't any prior knowledge.

I started thinking
about it, got with Dave

and we put two and two
together and we said,

"Hey, somebody knew about
a prior bomb threat."

This ought to be known.

- Everyone who knows me
knows I would not sit idle

if I knew about a
conspiracy of silence.

I would never rest until such
a conspiracy was exposed.

But I know of no
such conspiracy.

Istook has denied
this evidence under oath but,

he has never answered the
Oklahoma County Sheriff's

deputy's challenge to
subject his opposing versions

of prior knowledge
to polygraph testing.

Many witnesses have
officially stated

that the Oklahoma
County bomb squad

was conducting a search
at the federal courthouse

across the street from
the Murrah Building

two hours before the attack.

- Trish Nix, I ran into her,

she was another
employee there at HUD.

And she had asked
me if I had seen

the bomb squad that morning.

And I had said "No,
I wasn't aware that

"they had been in the building."

And she said yes she
had seen their unit

parked in the parking
lot of the church

across the street.

County
appraiser JD Reid

saw the bomb disposal
unit parked outside

the courthouse that morning.

Despite multiple eyewitnesses,

the Sheriff's Department
denies this claim.

- If that building
was under threat and

they were getting
bomb threats and this

was a daily thing
or a weekly thing or

if they've gotten many
threats or only one,

the parents of the
children in that daycare

deserve to have been notified.

People do not keep
children in daycares

where there are
bomb threats made.

Under the
pressure of mounting evidence,

ABC's 20/20 reported
on many of these

puzzling questions a year
and a half after the bombing.

- At issue increasingly
for some of the victims

and their families,
what did authorities

know or suspect
before the explosion

that federal workers and
the children arriving

at the Murrah building did
not know or were not told?

There was
this fairly large truck

with a trailer behind it

and it had a shield on
the side of the door

and it said bomb disposal
or bomb squad blow it.

Authorities now
claim in federal investigative

reports that the huge ominous
truck with its trailer

was being used by a deputy
to run routine errands.

Other documents
obtained by 20/20 show

that someone called the
Executive Secretariats office

at the Justice
Department in Washington

and said the Murrah
Building had been bombed.

But this was 24 minutes
before the blast.

No action was apparently taken.

According
to the show's producer,

the Justice Department
actively intervened

to prevent an in-depth follow-up

to this segment from
airing nationally.

- 20/20 did a 15 or
20 minute segment

on prior knowledge.

It was put together by a
guy named Roger Charles.

That was so explosive

that he was putting
together an entire hour

or whatever for 20/20,
which he would tell you.

But the feds came in
and stopped 20/20.

Wouldn't let them broadcast
the larger segment

that he put together
concerning prior knowledge.

- The news channel has learned

of another strange development.

Apparently before the bombing,

Governor Frank
Keating's brother Mark

had been working on a
novel about a terrorist

bombing in Oklahoma City.

Stranger still, one of the
characters in the novel

was named Thomas McVeigh.

Despite
the official denials,

the evidence confirmed
is that at least some

amount of prior
knowledge existed.

More ominously, there are
suggestions that certain

government agencies
were fully expecting

a bombing to occur that day.

- The horse patrol,
interestingly,

I was a very small unit

and was assisted by the county
reserve men and patrol unit.

For whatever reason on
the morning of the bombing

they had been assigned
and had already met

at the Oklahoma City
equine K9 facility

and had prepared their
horses, their tack,

and uniforms to go
downtown for crowd control.

Rarely, very rarely would
they go down in patrol

or work downtown area for
crowd control for anything.

The
importance of exposing

prior knowledge
cannot be understated.

Those individuals who
understood the danger beforehand

and did nothing
are just as guilty

as those who lit the
fuse on the bomb.

As the FBI and
Department of Justice

narrowed its focus
on Tim McVeigh

as the lone bomber
on April 19th,

people seeking truth
and justice for the dead

were dismayed that so many
reports of accomplices

were being discarded by
the federal authorities.

The first sketches of the
suspects released by the FBI

clearly indicated that
two people were involved

in parking the Ryder truck in
front of the Murrah Building.

And the original BOLA or
be on the lookout alert

had mentioned three suspects,

when the hunt for John Doe
number two was called off

and he was dismissed as a ghost.

People who knew for a
fact that they had seen

McVeigh with other people
began to speak out.

Did McVeigh act alone?

- During that time
broadcasts were being made

that there was suspects

had been observed
leaving the scene

in a brown pickup.

- At this time people were
trying to get together

on who was going to do what.

Medical personnel and such.

There was a police
car sitting to my left

facing west on Fifth Street.

And as we were all
standing there conversing

then you know people were
doing what they were doing,

it came out over the
radio on this police car

that they were looking
for a brown truck.

An APB for a brown truck.

It was quick, but it was heard.

- I haven't stopped
asking questions

'cause I know that we
haven't been told the truth.

I've talked to too many people

that saw Timothy
McVeigh that morning.

Saw Timothy McVeigh in Kansas

and saw Timothy McVeigh
in Oklahoma City.

Not one person saw
him by himself.

- Timothy McVeigh
stepped out of the truck

I walked him over to,

let's say 10, 11 feet away
from the truck itself.

I pointed a direction
downtown which is to my right.

He seemed to acknowledge
where I was talking about.

At that time the gentleman
walked back to the truck.

I talked to him and I also
notice there was a passenger

in the truck at that time.

- And and mostly it was
a John Doe too thing.

Because as you remember
the greatest manhunt

there's ever been.

And then all of a sudden
hey he doesn't even exist.

If he doesn't exist why
wasn't he on the manhunt?

I mean things like that.

That was continually coming out.

- I know for a fact,

Timothy McVeigh was
with another individual

on the morning of April 19th

right before the bombing.

- Because the evidence
is overwhelming

and compelling that there
were other perpetrators

and they were not pursued

in the very early days
after the bombing,

the decision was
made not to pursue

anymore of those individuals.

In the
days before the bombing,

Tim McVeigh was seen
making preparations

with other suspects.

Not Terry Nichols
or Michael Fortier,

but others unknown
whom the authorities

seemed uninterested in finding.

- The man that I saw
on the phone that day,

he was actually on
the phone was McVeigh.

I'm 100% sure of that.

He had a partner with him
that had shoulder length hair,

that was leaned up against
the wall facing him.

Then at one point he
turned the guy to his right

who was leaning against the
wall shoulder length hair,

and said, "He told us
to fucking stay here."

I did go up to the
FBI at 50 Pin Place

and told them my story.

If I remember right, I think
they actually sketched out

the second person that

I was describing.

Which was shoulder length
hair, tan stocky build,

a light plaid type
jacket shirt kind of mix.

Kind of goofy-looking guy.

A convenience
store clerk reported

to the FBI that McVeigh
had purchased fuel

for a Ryder truck at her store

two days before the bombing.

Even pointing out
on the register tape

when the purchase was made.

Accompanying McVeigh
was another suspect.

This example is only one
of many eyewitness accounts

that diverge from the
official narrative.

And although the government
states that McVeigh

never scouted inside
the Murrah Building,

a Secret Service investigator
reported that she had

seen him in the building
also with a second suspect.

The official narrative
dictates that Tim Mcveigh alone

rented the Ryder truck
in Junction City Kansas

on April 17, two days
before the bombing.

He and Terry Nichols
supposedly constructed

the bomb on April 18.

But the bulk of
eyewitness accounts

assert that the Ryder
truck was at Gary Lake

for several days before that.

- I retired April 11th 1995.

And after finishing up

that morning I decided
to stop by here and fish

at Geary State Lake.

Which is right in
this general area here

that I was fishing from.

The pier or jetty.

And I stayed here
most of the afternoon

fishing of course with no luck.

And later on that
afternoon I had decided

to maybe go back over
this way over here

to the other point back here and

see if I'd have any luck.

When I noticed a Ryder
truck over there.

I was sitting at home one day
and my wife came in from work

and she said she had been
stopped at a roadblock

up here at Gary
Lake in reference to

the Oklahoma City bombing

and the making of the bomb
here at Geary State Lake.

And with a Ryder truck.

And I said well you know
I had told you about

the Ryder truck I had seen there

before this.

And that's how I
became aware of it.

And then the next thing
I knew she told the ATF

and FBI the people to roadblock

that what I had seen.

And before I knew it my
house was swarming with

agents.

McVeigh stayed
at the Dreamland Motel

just outside the gates
of Fort Riley Kansas,

while he rented the
truck and built the bomb.

Once again, eyewitnesses
state that he was not alone

and the Ryder truck
was there for days

before the FBI insists it was.

The maid at the Dreamland
saw Mcveigh's friend

with the Ryder truck

and when shown a sketch
of John Doe number two,

told the FBI "My god
who did the sketch?

"It looks just like him."

All these reports
indicate that more

than one Ryder truck was
involved in the bombing.

And more people than the
government is letting on.

- Justice for these
killers will be

certain, swift, and severe.

We will find them,
we will convict them,

and we will seek the
death penalty for them.

It was promised
to the people of Oklahoma City

and to the rest of
America that every

single person responsible
for the bombing

would be caught, tried,
and held accountable

for the harm they had inflicted.

It was expected that this
promise would be fulfilled.

Nevertheless, as
eyewitness testimony

and other promising leads were
being carelessly discarded,

replaced only with the
lies and inconsistencies

of federal officials,

a deep but private
suspicion grew

in the minds of
observers that perhaps

a government cover-up
was underway.

Was this mere incompetence

or was there something
else at work here?

- I was a police officer
in Tulsa Police Department

for 27 years.

And in 1995 when the Oklahoma
City bombing occurred

I was requested by
the local FBI office

through our Chief of Police
to assist any way I could.

And look into the bombing
and using my contacts

as an investigative journalist,

which is what I did on the side,

to try to find out
anything we could find out

about the bombing,
McVeigh, Nichols,

and just kind of follow
the investigation

any place it went.

Just just follow the leads.

I was still working the
case with Jana Davis

and David Hoffman, two
Oklahoma City police officers

and one of them,
it was one of the

first ones in the building.

And he saw some things
in the building.

He saw the biggest
damage to the building

was the pit which was in
the back of the building

and went down like
two or three floors.

He saw all of that you know.

That never came out in the news.

It wasn't part of
the investigation.

It just didn't count.

In other words, if it
didn't fit the mold

that the Department of
Justice under Janet Reno

set for the FBI, then it
wasn't put in the case period.

The FBI
bragged about its handling

of the deadliest terror
attack in American history.

But gigantic holes in the case

were being ignored by the media.

McVeigh was first
suspected because he rented

the truck under the
name Robert Kling.

One of the first
pieces of evidence used

to link McVeigh to the
bombing was problematic.

- I went to Junction City.

I went out to
Elliott's body shop

and I spoke to Mr. Eliot.

I told him who I was and I said,

"I would like for you to tell me

"what happened the day Tim
came to rent the Ryder truck."

And he said "You mean the
day Tim and his friend came?"

And I said "Tim
wasn't by himself?"

He said "No ma'am.

- The FBI has been designated
by President Clinton

as the lead federal agency
in this investigation.

Incredibly enough,

there remains an
extra unidentified leg

that was found in the rubble.

Oklahoma State Medical
Examiner Fred Jordan

testified in court
"We had eight people

"with traumatically
amputated left legs.

"However, we have
nine left legs.

"We have one leg too many."

Stephen Jones, McVeigh's
defense attorney

detailed in his
book Others Unknown,

the significance
of this extra leg.

Former chief pathologist
for Northern Ireland

TK Marshall performed
over 2,500 autopsies

on bombing victims
and told Jones that

"In all the years in Ireland,

"we identified every innocent
person that was killed.

"There was never
an unknown victim."

The FBI collected
1034 fingerprints

during their investigation.

But an agent admitted
under oath that

these prints were
not run through the

National fingerprint database.

Nikki Deutchman was
the jury foreperson

for the federal trial
of Terry Nichols.

- I think that that
the government perhaps

really dropped the ball.

I think that there
were a large number

of sightings right
around before,

the week before and the days

and months after the bombing.

And sketches of people
that were recognizable.

In this trial there
even was a photograph

of someone who may
have been involved

with mixing the bomb.

With putting the bomb together.

And that person, it was a
photograph from a newspaper.

Obviously that person's
identity is known.

I think there are
other people out there

and decisions were
probably made very early on

that Tim McVeigh and
Terry Nichols were who

they were looking
for and the same sort

of resources were not used

to try to find out who
else might be involved.

- Well in those
first couple of days

especially that first day
of the Oklahoma City bombing

there was immediate
information that came out

about what caused the bombing,

witnesses on the
scene of the crime.

Things such as that.

And it changed
very significantly

and drastically
as the day went by

and the next several
days went by.

That caused a lot of
questions in people's minds

about what really happened here.

- The reason I doubt
started doubting

the official story
that was coming out,

you have to understand
that the state,

the local media were
doing a good job

the first day.

Local law enforcement maybe also

I believe was doing a good job.

But once the feds came in
things started changing.

The police
and emergency crews

are talking about moving us back

because of the danger
of a possibility

of another explosion.

I think
he said another bomb.

- Oh my god another bomb.

- The fire crews and the
various emergency crews

are trying to give in, but
we keep getting reports

that there may be other
devices in the area.

And they will
use that that trailer.

You see the bucket
on the back there?

Sort of this is how
they would transport

the explosive device away
from this populated area

to try to do something with it.

- There were two
unexploded devices

discovered subsequent to
the initial explosion.

A second bomb
was found on the east side

of that building.

A bomb squad is on the scene.

That second bomb
has not exploded.

We don't know quite
the status yet.

If they've managed to defuse it,

but it has been confirmed.

- There have been reports

of two explosive devices.

Unexploded explosive devices.

Two different
explosive devices

were found in addition
to the one that went off.

Just an hour
after the initial explosion

downtown Oklahoma City
was shaken up again

with word of another
bomb or maybe two.

- They've had to back
off a couple times

because they found

I guess two or three other bombs

or at least explosive
devices down there

that they've had to defuse.

- They shut down our
operation for about

20, 30 minutes because of that.

That was very frustrating
because we were

right at the point
where we had people

and we had to leave 'em.

The first bomb
that was in the Federal Building

did go off.

It did the damage that
you see right there.

The second explosive
was found and defused.

- The Oklahoma City
bombing was one of the

first big stories
that I covered.

And it was just shocking to
know it was an inside job

and to know that the media
was involved in the cover-up.

And that the mainstream
television stations

there in Oklahoma City knew
what had really happened.

And then years later
I was able to actually

talk to some of those reporters

and they discussed how
they were told to shut up.

I mean it just showed how people

were so willing to be
part of the cover-up

just because the truth
was so frightening.

And that's really why
we become so enslaved.

Is that we just
give in to the lies

and they start little but
they get bigger and bigger.

- It's amazing when everyone

who can see an
event and that gets

changed into something else.

Simply because the media
presents it that way.

That means the media is
complicit in the cover-up.

They're not hapless,
they're not ignorant.

How come I can forget
this out and CNN can't?

- The controlled corporate
mainstream media is essential

to a cover-up like Oklahoma
City being successful.

And that's why the
mainstream media has lost

so much credibility.

Because all over the
nation people have

seen things like Oklahoma
City over and over again.

Where you see the live footage,

you see them removing the bombs,

you see the governor
admitting it.

And then later the media
says "We never said that.

"That's what conspiracy
theorists say."

At first the
media reported on some

of these bothersome
pieces of evidence

that they became
a little more than

parrots for the
Justice Department

as the official story
was railroaded into

the public mind.

- Been listening
to Mike McCurry,

President Clinton's
spokesperson at the White House.

Apparently at this point
we know a little bit more

than the white house
does because we have

been able to confirm that
it was a car explosion.

And that word coming to
us from Mayor Ron Norick.

Earlier 1200 pounds
of explosives parked

out in front of the
Federal Building.

- And ATF has
confirmed that as well.

- Who's going to investigate
the investigator's?

Who's going to investigate
the prosecutors?

Who's gonna held
them accountable?

Who's gonna hold us public
officials accountable?

And that's all we're
trying to do here.

In addition to trying
to find the truth.

- Well initially that morning,

all the media that was
downtown there reporting

were reporting the truth.

They reported the truth
about the unexploded bombs

undetonated bombs being
removed from the building.

By afternoon,

things begin to
ease a little bit.

You could sense a difference

and by the next day
everybody but channel 4

had changed their
story completely.

One local
station in Oklahoma City,

KFOR TV did perform
its duty by reporting

on McVeigh's accomplices, the
evidence of prior warnings,

and many other
aspects of the case.

The New York Times
Broadcasting Company

purchased KFOR a year
after the bombing.

The programming
director was fired.

The lead journalist on the
bombing Jana Davis was let go.

And all reporting
that contradicted the
government vanished.

The victims turned to the
government with their questions

expecting the full
truth to come out.

This was not to be.

Those who asked
too many questions

or knew too much
were discouraged

from their efforts
in other ways.

- Debbie Nakanishi, who
was with the post office,

she was told not

to talk to anybody about that.

Her job had been
threatened to her.

She went to the Union over it.

Then they apologized.

But she and I went on
a number of occasions

to Washington DC.

We tried to see

every senator and every
congressman from Oklahoma.

Not one would give
us an interview.

- I was told by an
agent, an FBI agent

that did comments

that I've made

that people like me
often ended up dead

and to be careful what I said

if I was him.

In the way that he put it forth

I felt like it was a threat.

- I wrote letters to Janet Reno

when she was the United
States Attorney General.

I wrote Louis Freeh who was
over the FBI at that time.

I wrote senator Orrin Hatch.

I wrote everybody
I could think of

asking for help.

Nothing was done.

When the
government decided

that the investigation was over,

a federal grand jury
was impaneled to hand
down indictments.

This is usually a
straightforward process.

But the federal
prosecutors were not

counting on one grand juror,

Hoppy Heidelberg to actually
ask questions of his own.

- My name is Hoppy Heidelberg

and I served on the
federal grand jury

that was supposed
to investigate the

Murrah Building bombing in
Oklahoma City back in 1995.

Actually the grand jury
has two responsibilities

that are outlined in this book.

The first one is says

"The grand jury
operates as a sword

"authorizing the
government's prosecution

"of suspected
criminals and also as a

"shield protecting
citizens from unwarranted

"or inappropriate prosecutions."

Now that's not
something the media

or the government
ever points out.

But that was actually the reason

for a grand jury
in the first place.

To protect citizens
from the crown.

Who at the time had a habit of

prosecuting their
political enemies

or anybody they
chose for any reason.

The grand jury, our grand jury,

it was supposed to be

calling witnesses were
not allowed to call any.

And it was my
letter to the judge

telling him that and
demanding that we

be allowed to call
witnesses that got me

excused from the grand jury.

What you will hear and
what they say that's a lie

is that the grand jury foreman

is the only one that has the
right to do this or that.

And that's not true.

According to the book,

any member can demand
anything he wants,

for any reason.

Can be he just his
personal opinion,

it can be from
information he gets.

Of course they tell us
"Well you can't watch TV.

"You can't read the paper."

That's nonsense, it's nonsense.

Grand jurors need
to be well-informed

if they're going to
do their job properly.

See we were never allowed to see

the photo evidence from the
cameras on the Murrah Building

that would have shown
the truck being parked

and the people who
got out of the truck.

That's all on tape.

And we were authorized
to see all of that.

But we weren't
allowed to see it.

And in fact nobody's
been allowed to see it.

All those tapes have been
kept under wraps for 15 years.

It was just too important.

Just too important to
the American people

to know what happened
there for me to keep quiet.

Because nobody else
was gonna speak up.

The other grand
jurors were petrified

because they observed
on a daily basis

the kind of intimidation tactics

that were used by the
Department of Justice attorneys

to tempt to keep
me under control.

And when they found out
about the FBI visits

to my home, that
really shook them up.

Now thems even scared to
talk to me in the men's room.

Hoppy
will never be silenced.

In 1998 he ran as an
independent candidate

for governor of Oklahoma.

Intent on reopening the
investigation into the bombing.

After being excluded from
the gubernatorial debate,

Hoppy walked onstage to ask
governor Frank Keating why.

I'll go on
that record as saying

that you think I
shouldn't participate.

Do you still believe that?

- Thank you audience.

Mr. Jenkins, your follow up now.

Two years
after the bombing,

the trial of Tim McVeigh
began in Denver Colorado.

The trial had been
moved out of Oklahoma

despite the
constitutional mandate

that federal crimes
must be tried

in the district in
which they occurred.

The truth seekers were
assured that all of

their questions would
be answered in court.

- The trial was not
handled appropriately,

it was handled in a way
that was very prejudiced

against the defendants.

If you look at what
Judge Matsch did

concerning prejudicing the jury

to where the people that
were being prosecuted

by two weeks he
showed them pictures

of dead babies and
blood and guts.

And which is all basically
my understanding of the law

illegal to prejudice
the jury like that.

Yet they did that kind of
stuff apparently on purpose.

- I was told that
about a US Attorney

that if I attended
the trials in Denver

that all of my questions
would be answered.

I gave up everything I had.

My apartment and everything
and I moved to Denver.

And I attended both
trials and by the time

Terry Nichols trial was
over I had more questions

and no answers.

The trial
lasted three weeks.

In contrast, the OJ
Simpson trial in 1995

had lasted nine months.

The jury deliberated
for less than 24 hours

and sentenced Tim
McVeigh to death.

McVeigh waived all his appeals

and was fast-tracked
to be the first

federal prisoner
executed in decades.

Just before his execution date,

the FBI announced
that they had withheld

thousands of pages of documents

that could have
influenced his trial

which led to a month-long
stay of execution.

- I mean they weren't
able to get thousands,

at least thousands, probably
a lot more than that

of documents from you
know the FBI and the DOJ,

they just wouldn't
turn 'em over.

On June 11
2001 Tim McVeigh was put to

death by lethal injection
at the federal death row

in Terre Haute Indiana.

He left no message

and was quickly cremated
without an autopsy

being performed on his body,

contrary to the
standard procedure for
executed prisoners.

Terry Nichols was tried and
found guilty in a separate trial

and received a life
sentence without the

possibility of parole.

In 2004, Terry Nichols
was then tried in Oklahoma

on State murder charges
in the prosecutors

hope of imposing
a death sentence.

Nichols was found guilty,

but a jury once again
refused to execute him.

- Those jurors did the
best job they could

with the case that
was presented to them.

I think what their
statement says is they

knew there was something wrong

and somebody had some
involvement here.

but they also as they
have said themselves,

that there were lies,
there were mistruths,

there were bungling,
there was arrogance,

there was things
that were not pursued

like the other John Doe's.

And so they felt like there
was a reasonable doubt.

Michael Fortier
became a witness for the

federal prosecutors,

received a 10-year sentence
and was released in 2006

directly into the witness
protection program.

Justice the
government announced,

had been served.

* And I know tomorrow

* Will be the same

* 'Cause we've got
a life of love *

Dang daddy, I
didn't know you sang good.

Hey my dad's good, don't listen!

As the
government proclaimed justice

for all impacted by the bombing,

the people back in Oklahoma
still sought the truth

and knew now they
were on their own.

The list of questions
continued to grow

due to the mysterious
death of Oklahoma City

police officer sergeant
Terrence Yeakey.

Terry Yeakey, unlike
the rest of Oklahoma

may have known too much.

- Officer Yeakey was
just over 30 years old

at the time of the bombing.

And the morning of the
bombing he was issuing

a traffic ticket near the
Civic Center Music Hall.

Which is about four
blocks to the west

of where the Murrah
building stood.

He dropped the ticket book,

let the woman go,

and says "I have to obviously
attend to other things."

He heard the multiple blasts

coming from the Murrah building.

Sped up there in his
black and white squad car

and immediately
started pulling out the

first of eight people.

Mr. Tom Hall being the first
a former employee of the GSA.

Tom to this day,

in fact I talked to
him a couple weeks ago,

still has the utmost
respect for Officer Yeakey.

He literally saved his life.

Officer Yeakey, being
an astute police officer

for seven years, veteran
of the Oklahoma City Police

Department knew that
something was horribly wrong.

He tried to get the
official story line out

through his commanding
officers at the Oklahoma City

Police Department,
through his family,

through his ex-wife.

And he chose to withhold
some of the story line

because he was in fear
of for his family,

and his wife, and his two
young daughters at the time.

What we found out
between the hours

of 8 a.m. and 1 p.m.
that that morning

he was brutally murdered
a mile and a half

from the front gate of
the El Reno penitentiary.

From that moment that
his body was found

we know that the crime
scene was destroyed.

They were spade
shovels that were used

to turn over the crime scene.

Ballistics, any
gunpowder residue,

anything that had
to do with his death

was was completely
destroyed, it was corrupted.

- He started having problems
with not only at work,

but his apartment
got broke into,

his car got broke into.

Things were stolen
out of his house.

He had accumulated
reports, evidence,

I don't know what all, but
he was going to take it

out to a mini
storage in El Reno.

And he left one one night

and he told a friend of his

that they were gonna
go out to dinner

and he says "I gotta
run out and put

"some stuff in mini storage.

"And as soon as I shake
these feds that are

"following me I'll be back
and we'll go to dinner."

Well he never came back.

Instead he was found
the next day by a

Canadian County
sheriff's deputy.

Well they found his car first

and then they found
him in a field

near the El Reno penitentiary.

The damage to his body was
obviously a torture homicide.

It was obvious.

But what intrigued me the most,

that he had several cuts
on both of his wrists,

inside both elbows,

both jugular veins,

he'd been beaten.

He had ligature marks
around his neck,

he had handcuff
marks on his hands,

on his wrists, and he
had a small caliber

bullet wound that started
above on the right

hand side of his temple

and exited low on his cheek

with no powder burns.

- The day of his death,

when my daughter called me,

I left work went to El Reno

to help because I could
hear the seriousness

in her voice that she
was getting upset.

Why would the police be
looking, calling her,

looking for Terence?

And when we went to the
apartment where he lived,

the manager there stated to us,

"Well why are you
looking for him?

"The police have
already been here

"and taken his cruiser."

I'm not sure what was going on.

It was strange.

At about 10 o'clock at night

I had put my grandkids to bed.

The phone rang and when
I picked the phone up

I could hear my daughter
screaming in the background.

And I assumed something
bad had happened.

But I didn't think death.

And my son said "Mom
they found Terry.

"He's dead."

- One of the things
that surprised me was

that there was no
autopsy performed.

The other thing that
really bothered me was

we were being told that Terry
was high on drugs and drunk.

And of course the
Medical Examiner's Office

did a report when
Terry and his injuries.

Which was really not
an autopsy but just

a good overview.

And it showed that
his BAC was zero.

Meaning no blood
alcohol content.

There was no drugs
in his system.

It bothered me that
they didn't treat Terry

like a police
officer like he was.

He was a good guy.

- And he never said to
us that I'm depressed.

You know, I need help.

Not to me or

not to his sisters.

I think it's only fair

that we know as Terrance's
family members what happened.

- Officer Yeakey's official
cause of death was suicide.

And that was actually
laid out in the

medical examiner's report

at the Oklahoma State medical
office, examiner's office.

We've since were able
to retrieve that record.

What we found out
though is that,

number one the crime
scene was corrupted.

When completely in
the face of a proper

investigative procedure,

the extent and the amount
of a number of wounds

on his body clearly shows that

he was couldn't commit suicide.

Physically and logistically

you just can't do
that to yourself.

Terry also we know was anemic.

He would not have
been able to traverse

over half a mile from
where his car was

to where his body was found
and not have passed out.

His heart would have
literally given out.

He wouldn't have had
enough blood pressure

in his body to survive.

The car was locked, the
windows were rolled up,

the keys were in the console,

there was a bloody knife
in the in the glove box.

You don't stab
yourself 13 times and

have superficial wounds
on the, you know,

along your arms and chest and

your upper neck and
walk a half a mile

and decide to die
next to a tree.

- Being the family
of an officer,

I expected some kind of care

and consideration for us

being the family of Terrence.

There was another
detective by the name

of Mullenix that

told my daughter that she
looked at too many movies

and she needed to
see a psychiatrist

when we were asking questions.

Wanting to know
about his belongings.

Wanting to know about things

that happened
during the course of

where they say
they found my son.

And I don't think this
was very kind of them

and considerate of
us being family.

That they should have
talked to us like that.

But they did.

And as far as I'm concerned,

that made me more suspicious
of what happened to my son.

The brutal
torture and murder

of Terry Yeakey served not
only to silence his voice,

but the voices of
other first responders

who may have seen something
that would shed light

on what really happened.

Those who keep their silence
know exactly what Terry saw.

But he will never be
forgotten by those who ask

questions and demand answers.

In the absence of
official action,

a group of concerned
citizens decided to form

their own investigative panel.

The OKBIC, better known as,

the Oklahoma Bombing
Investigation Committee.

Their goal was to
compile enough evidence

that would attract
attention by the media

and the government.

And therefore compel a more
thorough investigation.

Entirely funded by donations
and their own money,

the OKBIC took affidavits,
recorded eyewitness testimony,

and paid for private
investigators to
chase down leads.

- I'm Charles Key state
representative in Oklahoma City

and I've formed the

Oklahoma Bombing
Investigation Committee.

I had a number of
constituents come to me

and other people that
started raising their own

questions about
the investigation.

What direction it was going
because it seemed like

there was an effort
to try to change

that initial report
of what took place

from the first day
of the bombing,

as the days and weeks went by.

- We looked at what state
representative Charles Key did.

He went on the facts.

He went on the information
the grand jury gleaned.

And clearly there was
complete prior knowledge.

- I observed the
fact that Charles Key

seemed to be

standing up for the
truth in some areas

that I felt like

was not being dealt
with appropriately

by authorities.

The Oklahoma Bombing
Investigation
Committee was formed

for one purpose and that's
to obtain the truth.

- First I thought "Well
that's just another politician

"trying to get a
little publicity."

Then when I when I met them,

met Charles Key
and Colonel Wallace

and Dale Phillips,

found out that
they were for real.

And and they asked me
if I would join them.

I agreed to join them.

- I think Charles Key's work
is is absolutely outstanding

and it continues to be.

Even to this day we're looking
at what 16 years on almost

coming this April.

Charles took a lot of risks.

- When we saw what was going
on with the investigation

and that it was trying
to move away from

the early facts that were
presented by law enforcement

and by the media,

we pursued establishing
a County grand jury

in Oklahoma County.

Something unique to Oklahoma
and just a few other states

in the country that allows
citizens grand juries

to be impaneled to investigate
things such as this.

- The committee meetings
were very serious.

We fought the government
at every level.

All the way through
to the Supreme Court

of this state.

- We had a lot of
people that came forward

and brought us a
lot of information

that we wouldn't have
gotten any other way.

We were pursuing
all the information

that we could get our
hands on about the bombing

and we were trying to get a
congressional investigation

of the bombing.

- I was in awe at the amount
of effort that they put in

that first six and a
half years before the

book was released.

And then they had the
book release come out

to the general public three
weeks before 9/11 occurred.

And to see every
single obstacle that

was thrown in their face.

All the way from the news media,

to financial, to emotional,

interviewing over 329 victims,

family members, and survivors.

Well these people
were consistently,

basically saying "I
am not going to fail.

"I'm not going to quit.

"I want the truth to
come out on this."

- So we we formed the
Oklahoma County grand jury

to have essentially a
citizen's investigation

into the Oklahoma bombing.

And that caused
us to have to get

together a number of signatures

from citizens of Oklahoma
County which we did.

- We got I don't know,
11 12,000 signatures.

We only were required 5,000.

And by getting all
those signatures,

getting it validated
and everything,

we then got a X amount of money.

A lot of money.

And the opportunity to
set up a grand jury.

Well they turned the grand jury

over to our enemy
which was Bob Macy.

And basically gave him the money

and then he proceeded
to investigate us.

- I wrote a letter to the
district attorney Macy.

Told him what I had seen

and that I wanted to
testify in the grand jury.

I got a letter back
from him telling me

that the grand jury
did not want to hear

anything I had to say
about the bombing.

- After the Oklahoma
County grand jury

was actually initially formed,

then there were some
efforts to try to stop that

by the Oklahoma
County DA and others.

And at that time,

we organized ourself
in a more formal way.

We hired private investigators

and some others to help us

put the information
that we had gathered

together in a form
that we could present

to that County grand jury.

- Four, five, six months
into the investigation

we started suspecting

that our phones were tapped.

And I don't remember how
we got the information

but we were given a
number that we could dial

and it would either confirm

that they were tapped
or that they weren't.

And we dial this number,
it would confirm it.

We didn't really have
anything to hide,

so it didn't really make
that much difference.

It didn't affect our
investigation too much.

- I think as we
finalized our work,

as we got to the end,

as that grand jury
was then paneled,

and as we put this
report together,

we had a lot of media that
was waiting for this report.

They were ready to give it
some significant coverage.

And our report came back
from the book publisher

about two weeks before 9/11,

and one of the things
that we said and

some others said
during that time frame

as before and after
9/11 that the reason

that we did this
is because if you

don't ask the
questions and you don't

hold government accountable,

in everything that it does,
not just bombings like this,

but everything,

then you'll have the same
mistakes happen again

and they will get
worse as time goes on.

The official
story dictated that the

Ryder truck packed
with 1,200 pounds of

ammonium nitrate
fertilizer and fuel oil

called ANFO detonated
on the northeast

side of the building
and was responsible

for all the damage.

That hypothesis later evolved
into 4,800 pounds of ANFO,

then up to 7,000 pounds of
fertilizer and nitro methane?

In fact, the only
consistent theme

of the official narrative
is its inconsistency.

- The truck bomb just
delivers an air blast.

That's all it does, it's
called an air blast.

But when you've got
eight foot thick columns

of concrete filled with rebar

the size of your arm,

an air-blast probably
won't even break one.

They break windows,
that's about it.

But some of these
columns were ripped up,

shredded, tossed around.

- Because a truck bomb
is going to release

its energy

simultaneously in
every direction.

And so the damage
pattern to the building

or whatever structure
it's parked in front of

and intended to blow up,

if it's a big enough,
big structure,

bigger than a truck
bomb can take out,

the damage pattern's gonna
be roughly a semicircle.

- Now I looked at the building,

I was on the bomb squad
for a couple of years.

I've worked some bombings

and I looked at the
building and I knew

that the damage done
to that building

couldn't have come from
a truck with ANFO in it.

- A blast does not turn corners.

And it did look like that
there was secondary explosion

or more intense
explosion towards

the east side of the building.

Explosion or that
portion of the explosion

did basically clear everything

from the front of the
building to the south wall.

The Oklahoma
Bombing Investigation Committee

was presented with
evidence that explosives

planted inside the
building were responsible

for the collapse and
most of the casualties.

In this rarely seen
footage taken by the

Oklahoma County Sheriff's Office
minutes after the bombing,

the north side parking
lot is shown littered

with paper and debris from
inside the Murrah Building.

How did this volume of
paper transport itself

against the blast
wave of the truck bomb

and magically appear on the
other side of the street?

- And then we look
at the fact that

you have bombs clearly
inside the building.

It's blown out
across the street.

Pieces of it on
top of buildings.

The opposite direction that
the rubble should have gone in

if there was truly this
high-powered truck bomb

out front that caused
all the damage.

- And I can tell you that
the building was blown

from the inside
because all the debris

was piled up against the
General Record building

clear across the parking lot.

In fact,
several witnesses report that

bombs were going
off in the building

before the truck bomb
exploded outside.

- The first thing
that I experienced,

I was sitting there signing
some papers for Ruth.

I felt the building
start shaking

and never had anything
like that happened before

and I just kind of froze.

And then the lights went out.

It didn't get totally
dark because the

whole front of the
building was glass.

The lights went out
and then the debris

started falling on my desk.

And then something hit me
in the back of the head

and knocked me out before
the truck bomb went off.

What that tells you is
that there were other

explosive devices in the
building that actually

brought the building down.

- The building started to

sway back and forth.

It would it was
going back and forth.

And I had sat there

and I thought,

"No it doesn't feel
like an earthquake."

And I was you know I
was kind of stunned

and then about seven
or eight seconds later

I felt this explosion
and you could feel,

actually feel

the concrete floor
actually rising

from underneath you.

You could feel it coming
up from the inside.

- It was like slow motion.

We crawled under before
the glass started coming

and everything just,

it just seemed to roll in on us.

I thought it was an
earthquake when it started.

It was just kind of
a shake and then,

everything started
going like this,

and I dove under the desk
and then all the glass came

in the ceilings came down.

Three
seismographs at the

University of Oklahoma, the
Omniplex Science Museum,

and at Franklin Oklahoma,
recorded a seismic event

lasting eight to 10 seconds

that suggests the
possibility of two blasts.

There were two energetic spikes.

One was the truck bomb
and the second spike

was explained away as air
blast pushing on the ground

or falling debris.

But a representative of the
Oklahoma Geological Survey

stated for the record
that this spike was not

the result of floors collapsing

and that the last five
seconds of ground motion

did not have air blast
associated with it.

The Khobar Towers bombing
in 1996 in Saudi Arabia

killed 19 US Airmen.

That bomb was
several times larger

than the bomb supposed to
have been used in Oklahoma.

It left a huge 85-foot crater,

yet there was no major
structural damage

on the simple slab building.

What happened in
Oklahoma City to cause

the major horizontal
support beam to fail

and the complete
failure of these two

series of columns on the
east side of the building?

This collapse was responsible
for most of the casualties.

The crater, when
seen from above,

is offset from the
major structural damage

in the building.

For some reason
the official story

has inflated the
size of this crater.

- The bomb at least I've seen

where the reports from
different agencies

have said the bomb
extended from the cab

to the tail of the truck.

And one of the thing that
really bothers me about that is

is that the rear
axle from the truck

went down in
collided with the car

in front of the Regency Tower

about a block and a half away.

The front axle of the truck

was hurled eastbound and
struck a parking meter

about a block and
halfway in front of

the YMCA building.

The bomb was that big
that that rear axle

would have been
driven into the crater

and instead of being where
the part as they were.

The truck bomb itself
to me had to be

between the two axles.

It could not have been
over that rear axle.

- I was surprised from
the even the FEMA report

and the published reports that

nobody could determine what
the size of the crater was.

And that's one of the
things I brought up

at the grand jury investigation
is that the crater

was half the size that
they had proposed in

the FEMA report.

The crater had a five-gallon
bucket sitting next to it,

after they had
uncovered and you could

extrapolate from the
size of that bucket

to the size of the
hole as to what size

of the crater was.

And it was approximately
16 feet across.

- August 24 1970,

it was a Monday morning.

Carlton Armstrong his
brother Dwight and two other

perpetrators Leo Burt
and one other individual

drove up to the side
of the Sterling Hall.

It was a math research building.

Dow Chemical had
their offices there.

It was federal
government as well as

the university faculty
that worked there.

And they had drove
a Ford Econoline van

stolen from a math
professor laden with

four metal drums.

50 gallon drum is full of
ammonium nitrate and fuel oil.

The Sterling
Hall bombing consisted

of 2,000 pounds of ANFO

and it was set off right
next to the building.

The windows were blown,
in the facade was damaged,

but there was no
structural damage.

In fact, the army math lab
was closed for only one day.

In Oklahoma City a similar ANFO
bomb detonated 15 feet away

from a much more
robust structure

and inflicted massive
structural damage.

- What that case did was it said

it was a bellwether.

It set a standard
for us to look at.

It says okay if ANFO
was in fact used in

Oklahoma City, why did it
not have the characteristics

of what occurred in Madison?

Furthermore,
the signature of an

ANFO explosion is nitric
oxide. a noxious gas.

- It was certainly
no fertilizer bomb,

we know that because there
was no ammonia gas in there

in every other explosion.

And some students blew up.

Did make an ammonium
nitrate bomb,

but everybody who
rested that building

after explosion had
to be hospitalized.

If you ever smelled
ammonia strongly,

and you're talking about
going into a horse trailer

or something like it
that, that's not strong

but that'll gag ya.

It will sear your lungs.

I mean everybody that
smelled that ammonia gas

after that ammonium nitrate
bomb at that university

had to be hospitalized.

It would have been
30 minutes or an hour

depending on how hard
the wind was blowing

before anybody could
have even approached

the Murrah Building,

if there had been an
ammonium nitrate bomb.

- There were other search
and rescue personnel

that were down there immediately

from Saint Anthony's
Hospital nearby.

As well as office employees
from the surrounding offices.

They would have
approached the crime scene

and buckled over almost
immediately vomiting violently

if there was
ammonium nitrate gas.

There wasn't.

- I was watching General Partin,

the former head of Air
Force weapons development

point out that the
building was blown out.

That it wasn't the signature

of an ammonium nitrate
fertilizer bomb.

That there'd been a cover-up.

The damaged Murrah
Building drew the attention

of retired General
Benton K Partin,

former director of the air
force armaments laboratory.

General Partin spent
his career conducting

bomb damage analysis with
explosives for the military.

General Partin came
to Oklahoma City,

examined the available evidence

and rendered a
conclusion far different

than the story being pandered
by the government and media.

- I spent over 30
years in the Air Force.

Most of that was in
research and development.

I went to a two-year
graduate program

at headquarters of armament
engineering graduates.

The first course
that was ever set up.

And after that I worked
at the ballistic research

laboratories in Aberdeen,

which is two years
of hands-on work

designing, developing,
continuous rod warheads

for the missile among
other weapons systems.

Well the truck bomb,

even though it
was fairly massive

was somewhat removed from
some of the structures

that were damaged.

It clearly had
some what you call

Brisance damage.

Where the blast
pressure was way above

what you would expect
to get from the truck

at that distance.

Brisance damage is that
caused by an explosive

whose blast wave
is powerful enough

to shatter and destroy
the material affected.

The problem with the failed
columns at the Murrah Building

is at that distance, the
air blast from an ANFO bomb

would have been 10
times less powerful

than what was needed to
dissolve the concrete

and cut the rebar.

Those columns, had they
failed due to air blast

should have broken with
sharp chunks of concrete

connected by rebar.

Not sheared off at
critical points.

Brisance damage indicates
contact explosives

placed directly on the beams.

Even more perplexing
is the total collapse

of column B3, which caused
the floors on the east side

to pancake onto one another.

The building was gutted to
within feet of the other side.

Column B4, closer to the truck
bomb is completely intact,

yet we are supposed to
believe that a blast wave

traveled through B4,
leaving the sheet rock

almost untouched and completely

destroyed the
column farther away.

And most of the front
columns were destroyed

when the supporting
header beam failed.

But the cause of failure
supposedly being air-blast,

should have thrown
it into the building.

Instead it fell straight down
and rolled towards the crater.

General Partin's
report was conclusive.

The Murrah Federal
Building was not destroyed

by one sole truck bomb.

The major factor
in its destruction

appears to have been
detonation of explosives

carefully placed at
four critical junctures

on supporting columns
within the building.

Many independent
experts concurred with
the Partin report.

Sam Cohen, inventor
of the neutron bomb

issued this statement.

"I believe that the demolition
charges in the building

"that were placed inside at
certain key concrete columns

"did the primary damage to
the Murrah Federal Building.

"It would have been
absolutely impossible

"and against the laws of nature

"for a truck full of
fertilizer and oil,

"no matter how much was used
to bring the building down."

The FBI put all their weight

behind the lone bomber theory

and tailored the evidence
to fit that scenario.

Dr. Frederic Whitehurst, a
supervisor at the FBI crime lab

turned whistleblower over
the bureau's handling

of the evidence in the
Oklahoma City bombing.

- Released a report today

condemning the FBI crime lab

for mishandling evidence and
for slanting its analysis.

The report is expected
to specifically criticize

the labs handling
of the Oklahoma City

and World Trade
Center bombing cases.

It was the allegations
of FBI whistleblower

Frederick Whitehurst that
sparked that investigation.

Forced to resign,

Dr. Whitehurst testified
in Terry Nichols trial

that a fellow FBI chemist
had changed his findings

and lied under oath
after meeting with
federal prosecutors.

The Office Of The
Inspector General or OIG,

investigated Whitehurst charges

and issued a report
which concluded that the

FBI crime lab had
improperly identified

the characteristics of ANFO,
the weight of the bomb,

the detonation system,

and even what kind of
explosive was used.

- Oklahoma City case will
get a lot of attention

because what the
Inspector General goes on

at some length to say
in his analysis of

an agent testimony in some
of the pre-trial stages,

is that one agent in particular

made sort of
seat-of-the-pants estimates

about the Oklahoma City bomb

but then couched
them in his reports,

in his written reports
as being the result

of scientific evidence.

- The FBI laboratories built
itself for many many years

as the premier of forensic
laboratory in the world.

The people that did
the things they did

knew doggone well
what they were doing.

The Wright
Armament Laboratory

at Eglin Air Force Base
conducted a series of explosive

tests to compare their data
to the bombing in Oklahoma.

The Eglin test structure
was a simple three-story

concrete slab building
with no support columns.

The engineers at Eglin tried
to recreate the truck bomb

as McVeigh and the FBI
claimed it was constructed.

With 4,000 pounds of ANFO
packed into a dozen barrels.

But they found that each barrel

acted as a separate bomb,

canceling out the explosive
force of each other

and pushing most of
the blast upwards.

So they constructed a
single more powerful bomb

and exploded it outside
the target building

to test the effects
of air blast.

They found that their
weaker test structure

suffered less damage
from a more powerful bomb

then was supposedly
used at Oklahoma City.

The report for the
Wright Laboratory

at Eglin Air Force
Base concluded

"the damage at the
Murrah Federal Building

"is not the result of
the truck bomb itself,

"rather due to other factors
such as locally placed

"charges within the building."

The evidence is undeniable.

Despite the pleas of
the official story

that the Ryder truck
bomb was not the

sole cause of
destruction that day,

that there were bombs
placed inside the building

which caused the
brunt of casualties

as floors collapsed
on helpless victims.

- And the rescuers
apparently had to abandon

the people they were trying
to rescue temporarily.

Were you
there a minute ago

when somebody
yelled they thought

they'd see a second device?

- Yes sir, we were close
to the parking area

trying to recover a victim.

As rescuers
desperately tried to

free the victims
from the rubble,

several evacuations of the site

due to reports of other
bombs impeded these efforts.

- At some point we got
to the corner of 5th

and I believe it was Robinson.

Right there at the corner
of the Murrah Building

and we heard "Second bomb."

Somebody yelled "Second bomb."

I stopped, I turned around,

people were running past me.

And I just kind of watched
what what was unfolding.

Of course never nothing
ever did happen.

The
Oklahoma Highway Patrol

reported that another
explosive device was found.

The Oklahoma City Fire
Department confirmed that.

Defense Department
logs recorded that

a second bomb was disarmed,
a third bomb was evacuated.

- The explosive that they

disarmed last night
was even larger.

Who
planted these bombs

and had access to the Murrah
Building before the bombing?

A deputy sheriff
recorded this footage

during one of the evacuations.

Here the ATF is seeing
pulling out several weapons

and blocks of what appeared
to be plastic explosives.

Was this the source
of the bomb scare?

Or did this ordnance come
from an illegal armory

that witnesses report the ATF
kept in the Murrah Building?

The ATF denies they
kept any weapons

or explosives in the building.

- Day one hour two
of the bombing,

the most significant
event that happened

is when they said they found
other bombs in the building.

The second most
significant event was that

way moved everybody back

and held 'em back.

There were still people alive
trapped in the building,

but they came in with
two trucks and backed

'em up to the Murrah
Building and a bunch of these

guys dressed in blue jackets
with no letters on the back

started taking
boxes of files out

and putting 'em on his truck.

- We were towed by a
blonde female agent

that there were files so
serious to the government

that until those
files were located

there would not be
any recovery effort.

- If we remember the Whitewater
investigation in Arkansas,

all the paperwork was stored
in the Murrah Building.

They had FBI just
over in the fields

to the west of the Murrah
Building picking up paper

almost all day long.

- And it was during this time

that early in the investigation

that I started receiving
some various phone calls.

One of them wasn't a phone
call from Little Rock Arkansas.

The guy said that he
was a federal agent,

he was not an FBI
agent, he was not ATF.

But what he did say
was during their

investigation of the Clintons,

on the all the drug-running
that went through Mena Arkansas

and you know Lasater's
ranch and all of that stuff

that was going on at the
time during Iran-Contra,

that those records when

Clinton went to Washington were

transferred from there
to the Murrah Building.

- Because of the
additional bomb threats

or because the
building was unstable

and the firefighters
couldn't get to them.

So those are a lot of
patients I think were lost

that could have been saved.

After rescue
and recovery had been halted

the building was
prepped for demolition

even though all the bodies
had not been recovered

and despite the architects
report that it could be rebuilt.

The investigative team from the

American Society of
Civil Engineers was
not allowed on site.

The defense lawyers for McVeigh

were able to visit
the site one time,

but even then they were not
allowed to view the crater.

- They were going to halt
it on the 29th of April.

They were gonna halt recovery

and prepare the
building to be imploded.

We went back in after
the final demolition

to relocate two
victims that we knew

that we had left and
possibility of a third victim

which we also located.

I don't know why they
were in such a rush.

GSA was saying the
building was unsafe

and needed to be dropped down.

A month
after the bombing,

the Alfred P Murrah Federal
Building was completely

demolished with less than
200 pounds of explosives.

The wreckage was buried
under armed guard

and one can only think
that certain officials

breathed a sigh of relief as
the outstanding counterpoint

to the official story
disappeared in a cloud of dust.

Tid bits of truth about
the Oklahoma City bombing

would often come from the
most unlikely of places.

Another strange
and brutal murder,

at first seemingly
unrelated to the bombing

would set the stage for some
of the most damning evidence

that the government was
withholding from the public.

- My name is Jesse Trentadue.

I'm an attorney from
Salt Lake City Utah.

My brother Kenneth
Michael Trentadueo

was murdered in the
Federal Transfer Center

here in Oklahoma City
in August of 1995.

Kenny had a hard life.

You know, I've often
thought about that.

And how he ended
up the way he did.

He was an incredibly bright man.

An incredible athlete.

He set the national
record in high school

for the two-mile
run as a freshman.

Went into the service
and like so many boys

did during the Vietnam War

they come out in heroin addicts.

He robbed banks or two
banks to support that habit.

He was caught and
he pled guilty.

Went and did his time.

He was a very strong guy.

He wasn't very big
but it was very tough.

He was easy going, but
he wouldn't back down.

So if you pushed him you
were gonna get a fight

and it was a fight
you we're gonna lose.

We loved him and
stood behind him

and he was a good man.

Kenny was supposedly arrested
for a probation violation

and sent to Oklahoma City
at the transfer center

for a probation hearing.

We now know that that's crap.

I said to him "Kenny what
what are you doing there?"

And he says "Well they
sent me back here for

"a probation hearing."

And we talked about
getting him a lawyer.

And the fact that we didn't
expect him to do more

than a couple of months.

And so my mother
called me at work,

it was about seven
in the morning

and told me that and
I couldn't believe it.

And that Kenny supposedly
killed himself.

Because I just spoken
with him the night before.

There's no way in hell he
would have killed himself.

This was not a guy
who kills himself.

I mean his life is the
best it's ever been.

I found out later that an
autopsy had already been done.

Now the government,
the federal government

didn't want one done.

But the state of
Oklahoma required one

for a death incarceration.

So the federal
government didn't know

there was an autopsy done,

did not want the autopsy done.

And the federal
government went twice

to the medical examiner's office

asking to have Kenny cremated.

It took a week to get his
body released and home.

And I kept getting the runaround

from the federal government
and finally I just screamed

in the phone one day
"Why don't you keep him."

And when the body comes
home is totally made up

so you can't see the wounds.

He was beaten head to toe.

His skull was smashed
in in three places.

The soles of his
feet had been beaten.

You could see the finger
print bruises on his arm

where he'd been held.

His throat was cut,

and he'd been strangled.

And the federal government said
it was a suicide by hanging.

When his body's turned over
to the medical examiner

two hours later he's wearing
nothing but boxer shorts.

The government said
they don't know what

happened to the clothes.

They cleaned the
cell that morning

so the medical examiner can't
do an examination of it.

And the medical examiner's
not allowed into the cell

for six months.

And when he finally
is allowed in,

he does a test
that's called luminol

that will reveal the
presence of blood.

And Fred Jordan told
me that the cell lit up

like a Christmas tree.

The log books involving
my brother disappeared.

The ones that didn't disappear,

the pages from the
log books are missing.

The crime-scene
photographs disappear.

The negatives of the crime-scene
photographs disappear.

The video camera
supposedly malfunctions.

Within an hour of
death he'd consumed

the equivalent of 30
bottles of coca-cola.

And Dr. Jordan told me
that caffeine is used

in a lot of countries
like third-world countries

to enhance pain under torture.

And he also told me
that the beatings

on the soles of the feet
were indicative of torture.

And I believe it was the FBI.

I firmly believe that
for a lot of reasons.

Now I didn't start
out believing that.

I start out trusting them

until I could see
what they were doing.

And they would come to me
asking for information.

And then immediately go

and destroy the evidence,

threaten the witness.

Do everything they could
to prevent the case

from being made a murder.

People were leaking me stuff.

They wanted me to know.

They didn't want me
to know who they were.

Late December of 95, early
January 96 I get a phone call.

The person won't
leave their name.

The person said your brother
was killed by the FBI.

They said it was an
interrogation that went bad.

It was a case of
mistaken identity.

That he fit a profile

of people who were robbing banks

to get money to attack
the federal government.

Just before he was executed

I get a message
from Tim McVeigh.

And he told me he said, "When
I saw your brothers picture

"and heard what happened to him,

"I wanted you to
know that I think the

"FBI killed him
because they thought he

"was Richard Lee Guthrie."

Early on
the FBI had investigated

the possibility that a
string of bank robberies

committed by what
the media dubbed

the Midwest bank robbers
had financed the bombing.

Led by Peter Langan and
Richard Lee Guthrie,

aka Wild Bill.

The gang called themselves
the Aryan Republican Army.

The purpose of the robberies,

to finance a race war
within the United States.

Wild Bill closely
resembled some of the

John Doe number two
sketches and had a

tattoo similar to that
reported by witnesses.

In an affidavit, Peter
Langan revealed that a member

of the ARA had
admitted to liabilities

concerning the bombing.

Another member had threatened

"We're going to get them.

"We're going to hit
one of their buildings

"during the middle of the day.

"It's going to be a
Federal Building."

Most of the ARA was
arrested for bank robbery

soon after the bombing.

Peter Langan offered
to provide information

about his co-conspirators
relationship with McVeigh.

This offer was refused.

Then I got a call from a,

a great guy.

JD Cash.

He was a hunting
and fishing reporter

at the McCurtain County news

in eastern Oklahoma.

He had friends that were
killed in the bombing

and family wounded.

And one day he calls
me up and he says,

"Jessie can I talk to you?"

I said "Well sure who are you?

He says, "I'm JD cash."

He says "I'm investigating
the bombing in Oklahoma."

And he said "I'm interested
in your brother's death.

"Can I ask you some questions?"

And I said "Yes."

And JD said "Well did
he have any tattoos?"

And I said "Yes" and he
says "What and where?"

I said "A dragon tattoo
on his left forearm."

JD said "Oh my god."

He said "Are you sitting
down" I said "Yeah."

He said "Let me tell you this."

He said "When your
brother was picked up

"and sent to Oklahoma,

"the largest manhunt in American

"history was in place
for John Doe two."

We didn't start out to solve
the Oklahoma City bombing case.

We started out for
justice for my brother.

But every lead,

every trail,

every bit of important evidence

has brought us to the
Oklahoma City bombing.

Now the Freedom
of Information Act

is an act that Congress passes.

It says the government
supposed to turn over

documents and information to you

that you request.

Unless there's a
good reason not to.

Such as national security.

I bring the first
four year suit saying

I want all documents
showing a link

between the FBI

in the Southern
Poverty Law Center

and the Oklahoma City bombing.

And the FBI comes back

and says there are no documents.

They didn't know that I'd
been leaked two teletypes

from FBI director Louis Freeh.

Then director Louis Freeh

talking about Elohim City,

talking about informants,

talking about the Southern
Poverty Law Center,

talking about the
fact that when they

had called Elohim City two
days before the bombing

asking for more help.

So I sue them and
they walk in the court

and they tell a federal
judge there's no documents.

Well I file those too.

The federal judge looks
at 'em and he says,

"You go back and you
do a manual search

"and you bring everything
you find back into court."

Well then they come back
and plead with the judge

and say "Judge, we
promised anonymity

"and if we have to
disclose these documents

"it will reveal their names

"and their lives
will be in jeopardy."

German citizen
Andreas Carl Strassmeir,

aka Andy the German, came to
the U.S. in the early 90s.

Professing neo-nazi beliefs
he moved to Elohim City

becoming their
chief of security.

He was reported by ATF
informant Carol Howe

and others to make
threats about bombing

federal buildings
and assassinations
of public officials.

It is known the McVeigh
called Elohim city twice

looking for the
mysterious German,

when members of the ARA
were living with Strassmeir.

McVeigh also attempted
to reach Andy's

attorney Kirk Lyons by phone
in the days before the bombing.

- We start looking at
Strassmeir real hard

and this guy didn't
add up either.

He was on special
assignment and disappears

and shows up in Elohim City.

He came in through Texas

and was placed at Elohim City.

Now why Elohim City?

I mean nobody in Germany.

If I haven't heard of Elohim
City and I live in Oklahoma,

how's anybody in Germany
hear of this place?

Well evidently it was from
a lawyer named Kirk Lyons.

I start putting dots together

and I start find out
who these people are,

and who they know,
who they run with,

and what their background,
and what their history is,

and we create a
picture from this.

We have Strassmeir doing all
this paramilitary training.

He takes over as chief
of security of a place

that didn't need any security.

Tells them they need to
get rid of their shotguns,

and deer rifles, and
buy assault rifles,

and SKS's and Ak's
and stuff like this

because they're gonna
be the next Waco.

Well he scares them down there.

They don't know what
to do so they start

you know, gearing
up for the last days

of the book of Revelation.

- Strassmeir is an
interesting character.

These documents we
got from the court.

It's my understanding he was
a German intelligence officer.

He is apparently

after the bombing,

taken out of the country
by a former CIA operative

back to Germany.

His visa as I
understand had expired

and no one picked him up.

And he was smuggled out through
Mexico and back to Germany.

- I said "Why wasn't Andy
Strassmeir questioned?"

And one of the attorneys said

"Oh we did question him."

I said "Yeah, but
you waited until he

"got back to back to Germany

"and then you called
him up over the phone

"and asked him did
he have anything to
do with the bombing."

- In Tulsa at Lady Godiva's,

which is a strip bar.

One of the strippers named
Sean T said that McVeigh

and Strassmeir

and several people had come in

a few days before the bombing

and there was a Ryder truck
parked out in the parking lot.

- What we can say about
Timothy McVeigh's connections

to Elohim City is
that he called there

at least twice.

Once on April 5th and
once on April 17th.

That he checked into a motel
within miles from there.

That he received a speeding
ticket within miles from there.

And that he also
calls outlaying areas

of Elohim City residents

or acquaintances.

So very briefly those are his

provable connections
to Elohim City.

The Southern
Poverty Law Center

along with the FBI kept
informants in Elohim City.

One of these may
have been StrassMeir,

the supposed neo-nazi.

Known primarily for
its work in litigating

against hate groups

and its outspoken chief
counsel Morris Dees,

the SPLC has also
become an informal

intelligence gathering
arm of the FBI

and now the Department
of Homeland Security.

They share the same interest
with the federal government

in suppressing what they
knew about prior knowledge.

- By the FBI's own admission
there were at least

between four and six
informants at Elohim City.

I don't want the population
of Elohim city is

but it sounds like whenever
three people get together

to talk about overthrowing
the government

two of them were working
for the government.

Andy
Strassmeir's roommate

at Elohim City was
Michael Brescia.

A young skinhead
from Philadelphia

who was also a
member of the ARA.

He was later convicted
for bank robbery

and also bore a
striking resemblance

to the John Doe
number two sketches.

The FBI and the ATF
had something to hide

in eastern Oklahoma.

Was McVeigh in Elohim City?

If so, what was he doing?

- My name is Josiah Stone

and I was on a
spiritual journey.

I integrated quite
quickly into Elohim City

and I was able to identify

with their concept of life

because I was looking for
some answers to my own life.

I saw Timothy McVeigh

at Elohim City

eight weeks prior

to the Oklahoma City bombing.

And I remember him
distinctly because

he has a distinct face.

But he was smiling.

He was smiling he was
happy as he could be.

These people were
loaded for bear.

And they were ready.

And they meant business.

I believe the mindset
at Elohim City was

they didn't give a damn whether

they were implicated
in it or not.

- What was interesting
and I think

no one has paid any
attention to it,

is that the CIA was
involved at Elohim City.

Not only were they
involved but they had

the spy satellites.

The National
Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.

I'd never heard of them before.

They run the spy satellites.

They had them over Elohim City.

I think one of the things that

may be most productive
to getting into truth

was the discovery of an
operation the FBI had in place

since about 1991 called PATCON.

P-A-T-C-O-N.

It's short for
patriot conspiracy.

It was an idea they
had to infiltrate

every militia group,

every neo-nazi group, every
group critical of the government

in the United States.

The plan apparently
was to put informants

in with all of these groups.

And I think

Elohim City was a
PATCON operation.

I think McVeigh was
obviously involved in it.

Now whether he was a
target or an operative

I don't know.

Any more than I know
whether the government

intended to blow up
the Murrah Building.

But they knew it
was going to happen.

And the knew McVeigh
was going to do it

and they don't stop him.

As alleged
in David Hoffman's book,

The Oklahoma City Bombing
and the Politics Of Terror,

Strassmeir first aroused
suspicion that he was

an undercover operative
when he was caught in Texas

entering a federal
building at night

with the key code.

Did he have access to
the Murrah Building also?

- When we interviewed
Jane Graham

who was a survivor.

She said that when
she went to work,

it was either the day
before or two days before.

I don't remember which.

She parked in the
basement parking

and when she got out
of her car was walking

across the parking garage,

she saw three guys down
there wearing coveralls

and placing putty on the columns

and stringing wire
between the putty.

Later she picks out one of the

guys from photographs

and says that's him, and
it was Andreas Strassmeir.

- Strassmeir was there listening

going over the plans.

He was listening to everything.

He was what they
were talking about,

looking at place,
pointing to things,

But when they were talking,

whatever they happen to
finally be talking about

and when I was looking at him
at that point then he left

and went over to the
other side of the building

so I wouldn't keep watching him.

The second man that was there

who appeared to be military.

He's the one, that
the man in charge told

to put the stuff
back in the car.

The second man
obviously was taking

orders from the first
man because he had

wire in his hands, which I
thought was telephone wire.

It's that real light
color thin wire.

And he also had what
appeared to be gray putty.

- Well that's exactly how
you string composition C4,

with det cord.

- And the details are chilling.

We'll also focus on
surveillance cameras.

Cameras that caught
the bombing on tape

and maybe the men
behind the bombing.

The news channel has
new information tonight

that there's a chance
surveillance tapes

could be the smoking
gun evidence.

And we asked candid
questions in a rare

face-to-face meeting
with ATF officials

close to the investigation.

We learned that video collected
from downtown businesses

the morning of April
19th may some day

be played before a jury.

Officials won't say who or
what exactly is on the tape

however, numerous
sources have confirmed

the tapes exist and that they
reveal more than one bomber.

- And I said "I want two
other things from the FBI.

"I want the tapes from
the surveillance cameras

"leading up to the
Murrah Buildings

"on the day of the bombing.

"On the different buildings
around the Murrah Building.

"And I want the tapes
from the cameras

"on the Murrah Building."

Because I had received a
government document that said

surveillance cameras
show the bomb

detonating three
minutes and six seconds

after the suspects
exited the truck.

Suspects, not one, plural.

The fight now is
over those tapes.

They don't deny they exist,

they just say we
can't find them.

Now the notion that this
is the biggest crime

the bureau's ever investigated

at that point in time.

The largest mass murder
in American history.

The two most important
pieces of evidence you have,

the arrest of McVeigh,

and the videotape
showing McVeigh

delivering the bomb to
the Murrah Building,

you can't find?

Incredible.

- The enhanced
photo shows a very

distinct possibility of a man
standing behind that truck.

And the time sequence camera
took additional photographs.

So will those additional
photographs show

there was a man there?

Will they show
that he was alone?

Will it show it was the
suspect Tim McVeigh?

The additional
photographs in the trial

should help point that out.

- I think one of the things
that stands out to me

is the fact that that
during that first

morning while we were
being held at bay

from being a recovery work,

there were FBI agents
or at least men

in FBI raid jackets

dismantling the video cameras
off the side of the building.

- I'm Charlie Rose with
Legend Video Transfer.

And the FBI had
employed me to duplicate

a number of videos for them

shortly after the
Murrah Bombing.

I was asked to duplicate
approximately 400 tapes

for the FBI.

We had two FBI agents

in the office.

We had two studios set
up for duplication.

And each FBI agent was required

to stay in the room
with each of us

that were in that room.

Really didn't have the
opportunity to sit back

and watch the videos.

There's probably a lot to learn.

You know from the
videos that they saw.

Some of our meaningless,

but others, you know,

could make some

powerful impact

on what actually happened.

- The government will
not release the film

that was on the video cameras
on the front of the building

that would show whether I
was accurate or not accurate.

- Of course the
other Achilles heel

is the video tapes of
the building itself

from the different surveillance
cameras that no one's seen.

If McVeigh was
Lee Harvey McVeigh

all by himself, the
loan nut with a truck,

then why don't they show us
the video tapes of the truck?

Show us the video tapes
of him getting out.

Or was there more
than him in the truck?

- There were like 20,
22 films in the area

that were confiscated
by the the FBI,

that would have shown the

truck being pulled up, people
getting out of the truck.

It would have shown what
was going on at the time

the explosions took place.

And obviously they
confiscated those

and it didn't take
much to figure out

that the federal
authorities weren't trying

to get to the truth.

They seemed to be
covering up things.

- Their first objective is
to protect the agencies.

Not to do what's right,

not to do justice, not to
serve the American people.

It's to protect themselves.

And they will do anything,

anything to do that.

Tim McVeigh
was honorably discharged

from the army three
years before the bombing.

Leaving behind an
exemplary service record.

After a brief but
intense combat experience

in the Persian Gulf War,

McVeigh tried out for
the Special Forces.

He pronounced himself
unable to continue

just a few days into the testing

and returned to his
unit demoralized

and some say a changed man.

- Through being able to
see Timothy McVeigh's

letters to his defense team,

this was really
behind-the-scenes stuff.

Letters to his family.

The memo's the
defense team writes

which detail his
mood from day to day.

Some of the medical reports
while he's in prison

which detail his thoughts.

On the one hand you
have the McVeigh

who's mad at the government,

on the other hand
you have the McVeigh

who works for the government.

The defense team
themselves could never

obtain his full military records

and even though they
were ordered by a judge.

He turns up in Buffalo New York.

And while he's up there

he creates what's
known as a legend.

Now legend is when
you go undercover

or you get sheep dipped.

Sheep dipped means you
change your identity,

you change who you work for,

and become a new person.

Changes his personality up there

and all of a sudden
he's ranting and raving

about the Turner Diaries, and
overthrowing the government,

and all this other nonsense
to where they're going,

"This guy's a wacko."

He works up there six
months and disappears.

Where do we find him again?

Going into militia meetings
and doing the same thing.

Making sure he's noticed.

- If you look at
Lee Harvey Oswald

and Tim McVeigh and other
patsies, they're very similar.

They're in the military,

they've got security clearances.

McVeigh wrote
a letter to his sister

who turned it over to
the FBI in which he

admits that he was selected
out of Special Forces training

to participate in
covert operations.

To help run drugs to
fund these operations

and to assassinate
security risks.

Mere bravado or was
McVeigh telling the truth?

- The FBI had put wiretaps

on the McVeigh family's phone

after the bombing.

And so I'm reading
this conversation

back and forth between
his mother and his sister.

There's actually a few
of these conversations

where they say "We
don't understand why

"the FBI won't listen to us

"and why the media is
reporting the Timothy McVeigh

"washed out or dropped
out of Special Forces."

They're saying "No, we
were told that he was

"still active in the military

"and that he was working
on these covert missions."

- And he told his family,
he told many others,

Terry Nichols has
signed an affidavit

that McVeigh believed
he was out there

infiltrating militias
and right-wing groups

and was preparing to set him up.

And then of course
he later learned that

he was the guy that got set up.

If McVeigh was
working for the government,

what are we to make of the
involvement of Terry Nichols

the only convicted accomplice?

- When Nichols
had been convicted

but not given the death penalty,

in federal court
and in state court

he could not be tried again.

He wrote to Attorney General,

then attorney general
Ashcroft and said

"Come and see me.

"Come and see me and I'll
tell you all about it."

In his
declaration Nichols stated that

"Crucial parts of this
terrorist attack remained hidden

"from the American people.

"specially the identities
of others unknown

"who collaborated with
McVeigh in the bombing."

McVeigh told Nichols
that he had been

recruited to perform
undercover missions

while in the US Army.

Always the good soldier,

McVeigh revealed only one
name in his chain of command.

Larry Potts, assistant
director of the FBI

and the lead agent on the
Ruby Ridge catastrophe in 1992

in which a U.S. marshal
and 14-year old Sam Weaver

and his mother Vicki
Weaver were killed.

Leary Potts later
played an active role

in the siege at Waco.

McVeigh was angry at
Potts for going off-script

and changing targets
at the last minute.

Another telling clue is on Tim
McVeigh's death certificate.

Despite being officially
out of the military

for nine years and having held

many different jobs since then,

his listed occupation
was US Army.

So why did Tim McVeigh take
the fall for his accomplices?

Perhaps the intervention
of a known psychological

warfare expert explains
the silence till the end.

- The record clearly
shows that Dr. Jolyon West

consulted Timothy
McVeigh's defense team.

Dr. West had previously
been a psychiatrist

and consulted for Patty
Hearst, Sirhan Sirhan,

and Jack Ruby.

- We know that Jolyon
West was considered

to be the number two
mind-control expert

in North American, under
only Dr. Ewen Cameron.

- Dr. West came under
a lot of scrutiny

during his time as chief
of psychiatry at UCLA

because he was proposing

using prisoners, the
general community,

poor people, minorities,
as test subjects.

And then West's
career continues to

flourish through the 80s

and he continues his
research into hypnosis.

Branches out into
terrorism and cults.

Even consulting and later
writing about the Waco massacre.

- Dr. John Smith, if
that's even his real name

was the protege of
Dr. Jolyon West.

Mr. mind control.

And he was McVeigh's
doctor in prison.

Today it's reported that he is

one of the head psychiatrists,

one of the head doctors
at Guantanamo Bay.

The fact that you've
got the protege

of one of the fathers
of modern mind-control

now being the head of
psychiatry at Guantanamo Bay

which is an admitted
mind-control laboratory,

that's even mainstream news.

I mean you couldn't make
this up in a spy novel.

Truth is always
stranger than fiction

and it's all hidden
in plain view.

Was the bombing
the product of a sting

gone out of control
with McVeigh taking

the blame for a series
of government failures?

- They kind of set
up a sting operation

it appears to me

that went bad.

They thought they would stop,

you know, the efforts
of Strassmeir,

MLR, and others
through Elohim city.

- I eventually talked
to this Senate staffer

and he informed me that
the Oklahoma City bombing

was actually a sting
operation that went wrong.

And that the effort
to cover it up

was because they
were not able to stop

the sting operation.

- When it fell apart in
that they weren't able

to stop it right
before it took place

and proclaim to the
public how great they were

so they could get new
funding for the ATF

because the ATF had
lost so much credibility

due to the Randy
Weaver situation.

- I don't know if
anybody don't ever know.

I know my brother was killed.

I'm often asked why why why?

I know I brother was killed

for information he didn't
have about the bombing.

Why the people in the
Murrah Building were killed.

As I said, I don't know
if they intended it

or it just got away from them.

God I hate to think that
they did it on purpose.

Perhaps
it was a deliberate

attack by a criminal
element in this government

using the range of
power to execute

and cover up their crime.

- In 2006 the American
Behavioural Scientist

published the whole journal

on this concept that's
being developed called

a state crime against
democracy, SCAD for short.

There's a recognition,
a growing recognition

among academia that

oftentimes people
have not pursued

culpability into elite crimes

for the fear of being called
a conspiracy theorist.

When there is a state crime

against the people,
what generally happens

is that inquiries
into these crimes

tend to be highly controlled,

tightly framed,

and be totally reliant
on agencies who

stand to be embarrassed
by investigations.

- It's now been declassified
that the Gulf of Tonkin in 1964

to get the United
States fully committed

into the Vietnam War
was a staged event.

And those LBJ tapes
have been released.

Where days before McNamara
is telling him on the phone

how they're going to
stage the event to get the

United States into the war

and what he would need to say
at those press conferences.

In early 1995, the
entire United States

was politically awakening.

The population was
angry about Waco.

Now they were angry about

the United States
losing its sovereignty

and Bill Clinton trying to pass

anti second amendment
legislation.

The federal government was
forced to basically come in

and create a crisis
so they could demonize

anyone who thought the
government was too big

or out of control.

In 1994 and 1995

the Congress had
tried unsuccessfully

to pass their omnibus crime bill

that expanded
federal jurisdiction.

That went after the
Second Amendment

that was going to
create all these new

federal agencies to spy
on the American people.

And that was one
of the reasons that

Oklahoma and other
states were upset.

They understood this was
totally unconstitutional

and a huge federal overreach.

And it violated
the 10th Amendment.

But after the Oklahoma
City bombing tragedy,

suddenly they were
able to rename it

as the anti-terrorism
effective death penalty act

and that was able
to sell through.

- Well I think one of the
things we'll be seeing

over the next few
weeks and months

are new legislation
both to deal with

domestic groups and
international terrorism.

There's already one bill,

the Omnibus Terrorism Act
of 1995 that's on the cards.

One of the dangers is that
we stepped a little bit

too far and there are some,
this bill is very controversial.

- But we see amazing parallels

between Oklahoma City and 9/11.

And we see it also
being used as a mask

conditioning tool
to launch a new war.

In the case of Oklahoma City,

a war against the
American people.

In the case of 9/11, a war
against the Middle East

and an invasion for resources.

- President Obama's chief
of staff Rahm Emanuel

recently said that you
can never let a good

crisis go to waste.

This is an example
of real politic.

Taken to it's extreme,

we can quote the words
of Robert Shapiro,

former Clinton advisor
who recently wrote

in an editorial
that the only thing

that can save the
Obama administration

is another terror attack
like Oklahoma City or 9/11.

So they think of
us as expendable.

They're willing
to ride our ashes,

stand in our graves to
preserve their position.

This is an example
of the Noble Lie.

- And in the months
and weeks building up

to the Oklahoma City
bombing there was

incredible conditioning
on the news.

These people are scared
of the federal government.

They're terrorists,
they're gonna kill you,

they're gonna bomb you, you
watch it's gonna happen.

And then sure
enough it happened.

And then you look
at the evidence

and government and black op
fingerprints are all over it.

The establishment is going
to have trouble in the future

orchestrating further
atrocities like Oklahoma City.

Because the public
is now really getting

wise of their tricks.

Oklahoma City is one
of the best examples

we've got where we
can prove clearly

that the official
story is a fraud,

that the government
was involved,

and is using it to
demonize good Americans.

April 19 1995

will live on in
history as a reminder

that we must all
take an active role

in holding our
leaders accountable.

It's legacy and lessons must
be rooted in truth not myth.

The victims demand
truth and justice.

We have all witnessed firsthand

the harsh reality of
a government's ability

to manifest its will
upon the people.

And it's up to the people
to deprive government

of the power to commit crimes
and profit from the lies.

- It is every patriotic
Americans duty.

Every man, woman, and
child's responsibility

to research the facts
contained in this film,

to verify for yourself that
this information is true

and that the rabbit
hole goes even deeper,

and then take action
to bring the criminals

that perpetrated this
attack to justice.