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instrumental music)
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MAN: The Dodge Charger...
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the official car of
making a statement
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without saying anything at all.
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Good evening, and
welcome to "Montague."
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I'm your host,
Franklin Montague.
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And today we're
gonna take a look
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at the growing outlook
of accepted sexuality
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and its effects on black
youth and culture.
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With us today, we have
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the Head of the Center of
Trans-American Issues,
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Dr. Debra Holt,
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and recording artist Paper Boi.
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Good evening to you both.
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- Good evening, Montague.
- 'Sup?
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Uh, let's start
at the beginning.
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Paper Boi, last Tuesday you
engaged in a Twitter rant
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that had some pretty
inflammatory statements.
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But the one statement
that seems to have made
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- the biggest impact...
- (sighs)
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Was this one and I
quote, "Y'all the..."
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N-words "who said I was
weird for not wanting to"
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F-word "Caitlyn Jenner."
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Would you want to, uh,
explain that statement?
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No.
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Well, could you explain
that statement?
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(blows) I...
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meant what I said.
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You don't think your
tweets are transphobic?
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I just don't have to have sex
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with Caitlyn Jenner
'cause y'all say so.
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Mm. So you don't think
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- Caitlyn Jenner's important?
- (tsks)
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Look, I get what
y'all saying, right?
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But she's not super
important to me,
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like, not my life.
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So how long have you
disliked transpeople?
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Man, look, I just
found out they exist,
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- to be honest.
- I... No, no...
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"I make her switch sides,
Caitlyn Jenner in reverse"?
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Is that not a... A
lyric of yours?
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Man, I was just rapping, man.
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Look, I've said worse things.
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You ever heard my song,
"Illuminati Sex"?
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- Haven't heard it yet.
- Well, there we go then.
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Debra, you've written
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about this current
phenomenon in your book,
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Transition: Gender
in a New Generation.
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What do you think
about all this?
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I look at these statements as
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natural consequences
of a culture
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- of exclusion and power.
- Mm.
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You know, there's... There's
a large swath of...
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- (scoffs)
- Gender and sexuality roles
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that are just being exposed to
a large portion of the public.
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(chuckling)
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DEBRA: Uh, it's harder
for certain sections
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to deal with this transition
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uh, because of
conflict of interest,
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and, frankly, identity issues.
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In this case, the rap community.
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Now, I truly believe it's, uh,
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has more to do with
issues of masculinity
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in the black community
than actual
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homophobia or... or transphobia.
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- Please explain.
- Yes, please, please.
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Tell me... Tell me about myself.
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Go on.
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Well, Mis... Mister, uh, Pa...
Mr. Paper Boi...
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Mister, yeah.
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What would you
consider yourself?
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A rapper?
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A straight rapper?
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Hell yeah.
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Well, I did some
research on your lyrics,
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and they're actually very
pro sexual-spectrum.
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- Oh?
- Pro-what?
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"If I eff with you,
you my N-word,
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you my N-word for life."
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Yo, you know that
ain't what I meant.
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Yeah, oh, I understand,
but, you know,
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there's a layer of fluidity...
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No, no, no. There's
no extra layer.
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DEBRA: That you yourself
don't even realize.
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I don't think about what
I'm rapping half the time.
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Look, I'm just
trying to get paid,
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you feel me? Look, (bleep),
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why you think I'm on this show?
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You're not getting
paid for this.
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Hey... Hey, Earn... man?
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Black men aren't ready to
accept the implications
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of a trans-accepting culture.
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No... look, I'm allowed
to say that it's weird.
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"It"?
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No, look, I'm not
calling him a "it."
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- Naw, I'm just saying that...
- "Him"?
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Look... look, can I say something?
Damn!
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FRANKLIN: All right.
- Well, it depends.
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- I was trying to say...
- We got to take a break.
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When we're back, we're
gonna take a look
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into a young boy's
struggle for equality.
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(theme music playing)
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(sighs)
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(theme music)
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(sportscaster on phone)
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♪ ♪
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(sportscasters continue)
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(beep)
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$1.49?
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But the price on
the can, though.
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The price is on the can, though.
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(crowd cheers on phone)
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(sportscasters continue)
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♪ ♪
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♪ ♪
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(upbeat hip-hop
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♪ ♪
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MAN: The Dodge Charger.
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Make a statement without
saying anything at all.
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(theme music playing)
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Earlier in our show,
we talked about
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transitions in sexuality.
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Uh, but what about race?
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Our correspondent,
Nathan Wielder,
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has the story.
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Harrison looks from the outside
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to be your average teenager.
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He goes to school,
plays video games,
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even listens to
music in his room.
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But there's one difference.
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I'm a 35-year-old white man.
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NATHAN: Harrison,
born Antwoine Smalls,
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has trans-racial identity,
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identifying as Harrison Booth,
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a 35-year-old white
man from Colorado.
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And when did you
know that you were a
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35-year-old white man?
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Well, I've always
felt different.
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I go to the store, the movies,
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and just be thinking
to myself, like,
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"Why am I not getting
the respect I deserve?"
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And then, it just hit me.
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I'm white...
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and 35.
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I just miss Colorado
sometimes, you know.
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Here, I pretend the
buildings are the old
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San Juan Mountain ranges but,
you know, the jobs is here.
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And where do you work?
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I'm a Systems Engineer
for Coca-Cola.
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Oh. Okay.
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That boy don't work.
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He go to school, and that's it.
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- Mm-hmm.
- One day, he said,
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"Call me Harrison."
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I said, "Who's that?"
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He said, "Me."
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Do you believe that
he is a white man?
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I mean, he isn't.
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(bleep), I'd love to
wake up one day and say,
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"Hey, everybody, I'm Rihanna."
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But I ain't.
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It's been pretty hard.
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My family just doesn't get it.
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You know, I try to get
them to go out with me,
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go on walks, go to
the farmers market,
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chat with people, but... yeah.
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So why don't you think
that they get it?
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I don't think they
get it because
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they don't realize that race
is just a made-up thing.
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Mm-hmm.
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They grew up having
labels, and me,
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I'm just... I'm
just not like that.
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I see.
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So how do you embrace
your identity?
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- I dress a certain way.
- Ah.
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Patagonia.
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I wear a thick,
brown leather belt.
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I like to envision myself
after the surgery.
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(clears throat)
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"Hey, excuse me, what IPA
do you have on tap?"
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"Hey, did you see Game
of Thrones last night?"
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Yeah.
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So your... Your surgery,
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that's later this year?
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Right. I started working
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at Stonecrest Mall, so hopefully
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by then I have enough money
to take the next step.
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Mm-hmm.
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So you work at Coca-Cola
and the mall?
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Right. Correct, I work at both.
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NATHAN: Harrison
has been planning
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a full racial transition with a Dr.
Samuel Vergara
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who guarantees Harrison
can visually transition
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through an
experimental procedure
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that will allow Harrison
not only to be a white man
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but whatever race he chooses.
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The procedure's
absolutely 100% possible.
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He's gonna look weird though.
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NATHAN: But before
Harrison can fully realize
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his physical identity, he
still has the day-to-day
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that's filled with
discrimination and ridicule.
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It... it's pretty
awful, you know.
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You... you walk in the streets,
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and black people, they see
you, they nod to you like,
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"Hey, good to see us."
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And it's to the point
where I've just given up.
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I've stopped trying
to convince them
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- that I'm not "us."
- Gotcha.
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Hey, excuse me, this
is definitely the guy.
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He doesn't even
live in the area.
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I've never seen him before.
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(police radio chatter)
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♪ ♪
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HARRISON: I think we're
taking slow strides,
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but you have to believe
things are getting better,
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otherwise, you'll
just die inside.
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Is there anything
you'd like to say to
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other black kids out there
who may be going through
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the same thing?
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Just be you.
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At all costs.
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But also,
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stop dressing so crazy.
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Hmm.
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(gentle instrumental music)
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♪ ♪
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(guitar music flourishes)
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Absolutely.
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Hi.
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I'm Devyonne Johnson,
famous movie star.
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(blows)
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(mellow jazz music)
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♪ ♪
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(theme music playing)
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And we're back. And today
we're talking about
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transitions with my guests,
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Atlanta rapper Paper Boi and Dr.
Debra Holt.
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Ah, Paper Boi, are you
afraid to speak your mind
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on this subject?
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Actually, yup, I am.
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You can't say real (bleep)
anymore without somebody
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trying to make sure you
never make money forever.
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FRANKLIN: So you think
you're being persecuted?
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Yes, I am.
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Man, you can't even say
"ho" in a song no more.
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(scoffs) A travesty, I'm sure.
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- (chuckles) ALFRED:
Yo, why you...
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Yo, why you talk like that?
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Like, "a travesty, I'm
sur..." like, what?
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You're... you're
whining about chickens
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- coming home to roost.
- No-no-no-no-no.
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Rap is chickens
coming home to roost.
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Look, my life is messed up
from (bleep) y'all did, okay?
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That's black news. You
can look that up.
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Well, your news is problematic.
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- Bitch, that ain't my fault!
- Whoa, whoa, whoa!
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I won't have you on my show
calling anyone "bitches."
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How you gonna blame me
for news being bad, huh?
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FRANKLIN: All right,
simmer down, simmer down.
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You can't even have an
intelligent dialogue
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- without spewing profanities.
- (groans)
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- It's... it's ludicrous.
FRANKLIN: Okay, okay, okay.
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Paper Boi, isn't a
lack of a father
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the reason you hate transpeople?
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What? Lack of a father?
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Man, you hear yourself?
(bleep), shut up.
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Man, here's the thing.
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Man, I... It's hard
for me to care
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about this when
nobody cares about me
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as a black human
man, you feel me?
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Like, Caitlyn Jenner
is just doing
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what rich white men been doing
since the dawn of time,
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which is whatever
the hell he want.
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So why should I care?
What make him so special?
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But... but as a black
man in this country,
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shouldn't you care about the
civil liberties of others,
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since they're so closely
related to... to
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your struggle for equality?
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What you talking 'bout?
I do care.
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Look, I don't have a problem
with gay people, transpeople,
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because that's tolerance,
but where's tolerance
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for people like me? You
know what I'm saying?
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Like... (sighs) Look.
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I should be able to say
something is weird
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without people hating on me.
All right?
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Look, I never... I
never said anything
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about taking away
nobody's rights.
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A'ight? Never.
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I... I understand
what you're saying,
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but... but some people found
your remarks offensive.
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Yeah, well, freedom
of speech, (bleep).
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No, you're right.
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I agree.
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But your music is
detrimental to black teens.
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(scoffs) Yeah, but so is
all rap music, right?
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- I mean, and rock music...
- Rock.
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Before it was taken over by rap.
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Yeah, I agree.
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You hate... women!
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(bleep), what?
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(theme music playing)
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Questions.
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The universe.
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Paternity tests?
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Salutations.
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(gentle music)
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Hi. My name is Ahmad White.
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You may know me
from your dreams.
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Call this number below
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and get the answers you deserve.
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(upbeat music)
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When I called Ahmad White,
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I was three months
behind on my car note.
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(scoffs) My stepson,
he was in jail.
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My life was in shambles!
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But now, I got a truck,
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I got a girlfriend,
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I got the answers I deserve.
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Thank you, Ahmad White.
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Most people don't realize
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their chakra's in
another universe.
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Don't be dumb.
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Call now.
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Me and Ahmad found out
I was a moon sign,
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and I wasn't getting
enough crystal in my diet.
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00:14:26,049 --> 00:14:29,050
Now, I live in a beautiful home.
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Ahmad gave me the answers
I was looking for.
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Come to our Liberty Center
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and get a free juice
and Nutella sandwich.
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When I called Ahmad, my life
was going nowhere fast.
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After a Nutella
sandwich and juice,
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my life's a lot better.
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00:14:43,066 --> 00:14:46,234
(upbeat tone sustained)
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Open your third eye.
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He works.
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00:14:49,206 --> 00:14:50,739
He just works.
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00:14:50,741 --> 00:14:53,909
He works. He really works.
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00:14:53,911 --> 00:14:56,278
He works. He really,
really works.
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00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,713
Knowledge is the
path to greatness.
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If you'd like to be smart
as a baby dolphin,
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call now.
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00:15:03,186 --> 00:15:06,121
(ethereal music)
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(upbeat hip-hop
instrumental music)
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♪ ♪
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(engine revs)
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That's a nice car.
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00:15:23,206 --> 00:15:24,806
You know him?
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That's Victor Wallace.
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His wife left him
for his brother.
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Long court battle.
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Kids, house...
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00:15:33,717 --> 00:15:36,117
It got messy.
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He ain't say one word
the whole trial.
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But then at the end, he
just stood up and said,
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"Leave me my Dodge Charger."
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He been driving around
this neighborhood
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in circles for a week.
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00:15:52,336 --> 00:15:55,804
- Just waving.
- Mm.
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Nice car though.
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00:15:57,941 --> 00:15:59,341
(nozzle fumbling)
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(upbeat hip-hop
instrumental music)
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♪ ♪
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(tires screech)
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♪ ♪
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MAN: The Dodge Charger.
Keep it in the divorce.
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(gasps) King Coco's Crunch-O's.
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The legend is true!
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00:16:20,697 --> 00:16:21,763
(creaking)
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00:16:21,765 --> 00:16:23,598
Gimme that crunch!
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00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,033
No!
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00:16:25,035 --> 00:16:26,034
(grunts)
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00:16:26,036 --> 00:16:27,302
Nice try.
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00:16:27,304 --> 00:16:28,370
But only kids can have...
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00:16:28,372 --> 00:16:30,605
all: Coconut Crunch-O's.
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00:16:30,607 --> 00:16:32,707
WOLF: That chocolatey
coconut crunch
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00:16:32,709 --> 00:16:34,542
in every bite. (crunches)
404
00:16:34,544 --> 00:16:36,778
Oh, I can almost taste it!
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00:16:36,780 --> 00:16:38,279
Bbbbbb!
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00:16:38,281 --> 00:16:39,514
(train horn whistles)
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00:16:39,516 --> 00:16:41,950
Oh, I got to have
them Crunch-O's!
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00:16:41,952 --> 00:16:43,318
- (grunts)
- Ow! Ow!
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00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,053
Man! Ow!
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00:16:45,055 --> 00:16:47,288
- Stop resisting.
- (pained groans)
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00:16:47,290 --> 00:16:49,190
- Stop resisting, sir.
- (pained struggle) Damn!
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00:16:49,192 --> 00:16:51,226
- Stop... resisting.
- Shit, man!
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00:16:51,228 --> 00:16:53,361
Oh! Mother... (grunts)
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00:16:53,363 --> 00:16:54,562
Stay down. (handcuffs click)
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00:16:54,564 --> 00:16:55,797
What happened?
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00:16:55,799 --> 00:16:56,998
He's going to jail.
417
00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,066
That's what happened.
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00:16:58,068 --> 00:16:59,901
This is some bullshit!
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00:16:59,903 --> 00:17:00,969
You all right?
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00:17:00,971 --> 00:17:02,237
He's fine.
421
00:17:02,239 --> 00:17:04,205
He just doesn't
wanna go to jail.
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00:17:04,207 --> 00:17:05,507
You sitting on my back, man!
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00:17:05,509 --> 00:17:06,508
(bones crack) Ah!
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00:17:06,510 --> 00:17:07,742
Sir, be quiet.
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00:17:07,744 --> 00:17:09,377
Yo! You sitting on his back!
426
00:17:09,379 --> 00:17:11,246
He was trying to steal
your cereal, right?
427
00:17:11,248 --> 00:17:13,148
I mean, it's just cereal.
428
00:17:13,150 --> 00:17:14,249
He can have it!
429
00:17:14,251 --> 00:17:16,217
Man, I'm just hungry, man!
430
00:17:16,219 --> 00:17:18,219
They don't let wolves
in stores, man!
431
00:17:18,221 --> 00:17:19,654
Step back, guys.
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00:17:19,656 --> 00:17:21,089
I'm going to lift
the offender up.
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00:17:21,091 --> 00:17:23,491
We are now going
to our feet, sir.
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00:17:23,493 --> 00:17:25,260
Let's go, sir, let's go.
435
00:17:25,262 --> 00:17:27,362
Nigga, I could be
eating these kids!
436
00:17:27,364 --> 00:17:29,264
But I'm out here eating cereal!
437
00:17:29,266 --> 00:17:30,665
Hey, it's cool!
438
00:17:30,667 --> 00:17:32,400
We'll just give him the cereal.
439
00:17:32,402 --> 00:17:33,768
No, only kids
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00:17:33,770 --> 00:17:36,104
can have Coconut Crunch-O's.
You know that.
441
00:17:36,106 --> 00:17:37,705
(tsks) That's a wack law.
442
00:17:37,707 --> 00:17:40,408
This fool know he eat
Coconut Crunch-O's,
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00:17:40,410 --> 00:17:42,343
and you ain't no kid!
444
00:17:42,345 --> 00:17:44,446
Let me do my job.
445
00:17:44,448 --> 00:17:47,282
I said back up... sir!
446
00:17:47,284 --> 00:17:51,586
(brooding dramatic music)
447
00:17:51,588 --> 00:17:54,122
(crunches)
448
00:17:56,526 --> 00:17:58,026
MAN: Coconut Crunch-O's
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00:17:58,028 --> 00:18:00,128
is a part of this
balanced breakfast.
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00:18:00,130 --> 00:18:03,898
(theme music playing)
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00:18:03,900 --> 00:18:06,601
Earlier we showed a
clip about a young man
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dealing with
trans-racial identity.
453
00:18:09,539 --> 00:18:13,074
Well, we've got him joining
us via Facebook video chat.
454
00:18:13,076 --> 00:18:15,777
Please welcome Antwoine
Smalls to the show.
455
00:18:15,779 --> 00:18:18,646
Hello, Montague, thank you
for having me on your show.
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00:18:18,648 --> 00:18:20,381
- So now, Antwoine...
ALFRED: (laughs)
457
00:18:20,383 --> 00:18:22,984
- It's Harrison.
- I'm sorry.
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00:18:22,986 --> 00:18:25,286
- Harrison.
- (chuckling)
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00:18:25,288 --> 00:18:27,622
FRANKLIN: How's your life
been since we last saw you?
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00:18:27,624 --> 00:18:28,723
ALFRED: Ohh...
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00:18:28,725 --> 00:18:30,158
It's pretty good.
462
00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,327
I just came back from
Charleston, South Carolina.
463
00:18:32,329 --> 00:18:33,928
FRANKLIN: Ah. - Beautiful.
464
00:18:33,930 --> 00:18:35,570
I was checking out
some cheap art spaces
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00:18:35,594 --> 00:18:37,265
for me and a friend
that I made, uh...
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00:18:37,267 --> 00:18:39,147
What... wait... I'm sorry,
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
467
00:18:39,171 --> 00:18:41,102
Yo. This is dumb.
468
00:18:41,104 --> 00:18:42,971
- Like, that... this is dumb.
DEBRA: What...
469
00:18:42,973 --> 00:18:44,772
ALFRED: Like, dude, wait, wait.
Did you power up?
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00:18:44,774 --> 00:18:46,494
'Cause you look like
Super Saiyan right now.
471
00:18:46,518 --> 00:18:48,276
Like, is that, like,
is that the Goku...
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00:18:48,278 --> 00:18:49,511
FRANKLIN: (sighs) - Like
Dragon Ball collection,
473
00:18:49,513 --> 00:18:51,112
my (bleep), like? You look like
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00:18:51,114 --> 00:18:52,794
- a fake Ellen DeGeneres.
- This is just...
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00:18:52,818 --> 00:18:54,449
- Like a Felon DeGeneres.
- Okay.
476
00:18:54,451 --> 00:18:57,252
Look, no-no-no, you look like
Drake Malfoy, dude, like.
477
00:18:57,254 --> 00:18:59,754
Bangs, my (bleep)?
Like, nobody told you
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00:18:59,756 --> 00:19:01,716
- not to do bangs... Like...
FRANKLIN: Okay, okay.
479
00:19:01,740 --> 00:19:03,525
- Nice tolerance. FRANKLIN: Mr.
Boi.
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00:19:03,527 --> 00:19:05,193
ALFRED: What is up... Wait, wait...
- Okay, okay, thank you.
481
00:19:05,195 --> 00:19:06,995
- None of y'all? Okay.
FRANKLIN: Thank you.
482
00:19:06,997 --> 00:19:09,077
- That is very inappropriate.
- Sorry, man, go ahead.
483
00:19:09,101 --> 00:19:10,165
- Shh.
- It's... it's okay.
484
00:19:10,167 --> 00:19:12,700
Sadly, the black community,
they just aren't accepting
485
00:19:12,702 --> 00:19:14,335
of racial diversity or
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00:19:14,337 --> 00:19:15,870
anyone different,
for that matter.
487
00:19:15,872 --> 00:19:18,206
- Mm. Now, Harrison...
ALFRED: (groans)
488
00:19:18,208 --> 00:19:20,275
Would you say that, uh, the...
the rap game
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00:19:20,277 --> 00:19:22,877
or the hip-hop community
is especially intolerant
490
00:19:22,879 --> 00:19:24,812
of the lifestyle you chose?
491
00:19:24,814 --> 00:19:27,282
We really can't blame rap
or the hip-hop culture.
492
00:19:27,284 --> 00:19:30,018
He's just expressing himself
to the best of his ability.
493
00:19:30,020 --> 00:19:32,353
And I will defend his
right to do that.
494
00:19:32,355 --> 00:19:34,889
He's telling a story, or,
like, views from the streets.
495
00:19:34,891 --> 00:19:36,524
- You know, like a ghetto news.
- Mm.
496
00:19:36,526 --> 00:19:38,393
- Okay. (Snickers)
- But... but Harrison,
497
00:19:38,395 --> 00:19:40,662
don't you think that
the rap community
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00:19:40,664 --> 00:19:43,364
and its treatment of
transpeople and homosexuals
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00:19:43,366 --> 00:19:46,467
is indicative of a larger
problem in the black community,
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00:19:46,469 --> 00:19:49,070
one that makes your
lifestyle unacceptable?
501
00:19:49,072 --> 00:19:50,738
No, no way. Not at all.
502
00:19:50,740 --> 00:19:53,741
I mean, a man wanting to
turn himself into a woman...
503
00:19:53,743 --> 00:19:55,710
That's just unnatural,
and I don't think
504
00:19:55,712 --> 00:19:58,546
we should have our kids
thinking that that's okay.
505
00:19:58,548 --> 00:20:00,148
So I will support that message.
506
00:20:00,150 --> 00:20:01,649
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
507
00:20:01,651 --> 00:20:03,211
- What are you saying?
- (stifled laugh)
508
00:20:03,235 --> 00:20:04,385
I'm not into gay marriage.
509
00:20:04,387 --> 00:20:05,920
That... that is gross.
510
00:20:05,922 --> 00:20:07,722
Why would I ever tolerate
something like that?
511
00:20:07,746 --> 00:20:08,890
Marriage is meant for
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00:20:08,892 --> 00:20:10,558
a man and a woman, not that...
513
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,660
That's an abomination.
We're... We... No.
514
00:20:12,662 --> 00:20:14,329
How can you say that
515
00:20:14,331 --> 00:20:16,371
with the discrimination you
were just talking about?
516
00:20:16,373 --> 00:20:17,906
- I mean, how...
- It's the truth.
517
00:20:17,908 --> 00:20:20,268
- What are you, crazy?
- This (bleep) crazy!
518
00:20:20,270 --> 00:20:21,936
That is all the time
we have tonight.
519
00:20:21,938 --> 00:20:23,978
- I'd like to thank my guests...
ALFRED: Oh, my God.
520
00:20:24,002 --> 00:20:25,873
- Dr. Holt, Paper Boi.
ALFRED: (chuckling)
521
00:20:25,875 --> 00:20:28,676
Please check for her
book Transition,
522
00:20:28,678 --> 00:20:31,379
as well as Paper Boi's
mixtape Postal.
523
00:20:31,381 --> 00:20:33,181
ALFRED: Yup! - Available...
524
00:20:33,183 --> 00:20:36,184
wherever mixtapes are available.
525
00:20:36,186 --> 00:20:38,753
- Good night. ALFRED: (laughing)
526
00:20:38,755 --> 00:20:42,023
Like, you look like
a dying palm tree.
527
00:20:42,025 --> 00:20:44,726
Right? Like you look like
the lost fifth Beatle,
528
00:20:44,728 --> 00:20:46,461
my (bleep), that they
just don't talk about.
529
00:20:46,463 --> 00:20:48,596
That, like, power up, like...
530
00:20:48,598 --> 00:20:51,199
They gave him (bleep) bangs, like...
(laughing).
531
00:20:51,201 --> 00:20:52,900
DEBRA: I don't care for it.
532
00:20:52,902 --> 00:20:55,903
(theme music playing)
533
00:20:55,905 --> 00:21:02,810
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