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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:25,488 --> 00:00:26,781 [chuckling] 4 00:00:27,490 --> 00:00:29,116 I don't need to be remembered. 5 00:00:31,953 --> 00:00:33,162 [woman] How would you like 6 00:00:34,121 --> 00:00:35,581 people to think of you? 7 00:00:35,665 --> 00:00:39,418 Um, I guess I would leave it up to the people... 8 00:00:42,129 --> 00:00:43,422 because that's-- 9 00:00:44,549 --> 00:00:45,675 I guess, 10 00:00:47,802 --> 00:00:49,971 you know, when I-- when I say that 11 00:00:52,181 --> 00:00:57,103 climbing gives me the opportunity to-- to fulfill my dreams and to- 12 00:00:57,812 --> 00:00:58,729 um, 13 00:00:59,564 --> 00:01:03,568 that it is something that is full-- self-fulfilling, right? 14 00:01:04,527 --> 00:01:10,866 Then I guess people just have to look at my climbs and then they know who I am. 15 00:01:16,998 --> 00:01:19,208 โ™ชโ™ชโ™ช 16 00:01:41,606 --> 00:01:43,733 [Conrad] Humans are driven to explore. 17 00:01:43,816 --> 00:01:47,820 I think it's in our very nature that going back to 18 00:01:48,529 --> 00:01:51,157 ten, twenty thousand years, or even before that 19 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,701 there was always someone in each tribe or group 20 00:01:53,784 --> 00:01:57,872 that would go out into the unknown and seek out reward. 21 00:02:03,961 --> 00:02:08,257 [Jimmy] You look up at a mountain, if you can see the summit, 22 00:02:08,341 --> 00:02:12,762 you have to like trick your brain into thinking you have a chance to stand on top. 23 00:02:13,512 --> 00:02:16,432 You kind of puff yourself up and you say, 24 00:02:16,515 --> 00:02:21,270 "I have what it takes to get to the top of that mountain" as insane as that is. 25 00:02:23,272 --> 00:02:28,944 [David] It's definitely risky, and it's definitely riskier than if you would live a normal life, 26 00:02:29,028 --> 00:02:34,158 but people are not aware of the risks within normal life. 27 00:02:38,079 --> 00:02:41,123 [Leo] I mean simply put; the more dangerous it is, 28 00:02:41,248 --> 00:02:46,295 the more exciting it is, and I kind of hate that that's true, but it is. 29 00:02:48,839 --> 00:02:54,804 [Reinhold] Adventuring it's not a play where we calculate good or bad. 30 00:02:54,887 --> 00:02:57,932 We calculate only possible or impossible. 31 00:03:00,726 --> 00:03:02,186 [Hilaree] A lot of people I know have died. 32 00:03:03,437 --> 00:03:06,774 You know, unfortunately, it is just part of the deal, but we don't like it. 33 00:03:07,983 --> 00:03:10,194 It's just how it is. 34 00:03:13,072 --> 00:03:17,076 [Xavier] The mountain can give you strength, or it can crush you, too. 35 00:03:17,910 --> 00:03:19,787 Makes you feel how small you are. 36 00:03:21,414 --> 00:03:24,542 [Leo] Mountains are the finest playgrounds in the world. 37 00:03:24,625 --> 00:03:28,295 They're just-- they're this epic canvas to go and play out with your friends 38 00:03:28,379 --> 00:03:31,674 and do the most amazing things you can imagine. 39 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,554 โ™ชโ™ชโ™ช 40 00:06:03,409 --> 00:06:06,662 [Erik] I wasn't going to be a great basketball or a baseball player. 41 00:06:06,745 --> 00:06:10,749 Instead of like just protecting myself and sitting in that dark place, I- 42 00:06:10,833 --> 00:06:16,797 something told me to open myself up and say yes to like these new experiences. 43 00:06:21,260 --> 00:06:27,349 I do remember as I went blind, sitting in the cafeteria 44 00:06:30,144 --> 00:06:35,566 and listening to all the excitement, you know, around me, like, 45 00:06:35,649 --> 00:06:38,152 all my friends are all having fun, you know. 46 00:06:38,903 --> 00:06:43,616 They're all having food fights, and telling jokes, and laughing, and I was just sitting there. 47 00:06:44,825 --> 00:06:49,747 And it was a stark sort of separation between me and the world. 48 00:06:49,830 --> 00:06:54,126 And I thought I don't want to be on the sidelines like I want to be in the thick of things. 49 00:06:54,209 --> 00:06:55,419 I want to be in the world. 50 00:07:01,008 --> 00:07:05,387 And I know that when I got to the top of that first rock face, it wasn't even the top, 51 00:07:05,512 --> 00:07:09,850 it was just like the top in the first pitch, and I sat like on a little ledge and- 52 00:07:09,934 --> 00:07:13,729 and I can-- I could hear the valley below me, like, all the sound vibrations 53 00:07:13,812 --> 00:07:15,522 moving out through space. 54 00:07:18,275 --> 00:07:22,279 And I could hear the wind blowing through the trees 55 00:07:23,030 --> 00:07:26,116 down below, and I just thought this is it. 56 00:07:28,118 --> 00:07:30,955 [Lynn] I was a climber at heart from the get go. 57 00:07:33,248 --> 00:07:35,501 Climbing came from mountaineering really, 58 00:07:35,584 --> 00:07:38,504 the objective of getting to the summit of a mountain 59 00:07:38,587 --> 00:07:43,008 and then out of that people realized that they had to train on technical rock faces. 60 00:07:43,092 --> 00:07:47,221 So rock climbing was born as practice for the mountains. 61 00:07:49,181 --> 00:07:53,811 What I'm most famous for is making the first free ascent of the nose on El Capitan, 62 00:07:53,894 --> 00:07:56,772 which means that I was the first person, not first woman, 63 00:07:56,855 --> 00:08:02,069 to actually climb up the face using a rope for protection in case I fell 64 00:08:02,152 --> 00:08:07,408 but I climbed every single move all the way from ground to top and that had never been done. 65 00:08:07,491 --> 00:08:09,034 People thought it was impossible. 66 00:08:11,870 --> 00:08:14,415 [Jimmy] So, I was a rock climber first, and 67 00:08:15,874 --> 00:08:21,714 picked up a camera probably when I was twenty-three or twenty-four. 68 00:08:21,797 --> 00:08:27,177 Never studied photography, but just had a kind of a natural affinity to it. 69 00:08:27,261 --> 00:08:33,183 I found it really engaging and-- and it came to me pretty naturally. 70 00:08:33,267 --> 00:08:38,480 It was really just to capture some of the things that I was doing with my friends 71 00:08:38,605 --> 00:08:40,983 and the community I was surrounded by. 72 00:08:41,066 --> 00:08:44,445 We're all, you know, really passionate climbers. 73 00:08:44,528 --> 00:08:49,825 Many of them went on to be some of the best climbers of our generation. 74 00:08:55,164 --> 00:08:59,209 [Pasang] I grew up in Lukla. Lukla is like a main gateway of Everest region. 75 00:09:00,586 --> 00:09:04,006 I used to see lots of tourists come to climb. 76 00:09:05,507 --> 00:09:07,885 When I said I wanted to climb the mountain, 77 00:09:08,594 --> 00:09:11,513 and also the people like saying that, "Oh, that's a male job. 78 00:09:11,597 --> 00:09:13,015 Woman shouldn't do that." 79 00:09:16,894 --> 00:09:20,481 [Leo] Personally, the mountains I like to climb are quite-- they're quite specific. 80 00:09:20,564 --> 00:09:22,608 I don't really like the big snowy ones. 81 00:09:22,691 --> 00:09:26,403 I tend to focus on mountains that aren't high altitude 82 00:09:26,487 --> 00:09:28,447 that are extremely difficult. 83 00:09:30,908 --> 00:09:32,743 [Conrad] I love being in the mountains. 84 00:09:32,826 --> 00:09:35,037 I always pursued gravity 85 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,917 as a source of inspiration, challenge, self-discovery. 86 00:09:43,337 --> 00:09:48,258 Climbing because it's built upon this trust, this connection, 87 00:09:48,342 --> 00:09:53,388 where someone's life is literally in your hands, you have to have that balance to it. 88 00:09:55,182 --> 00:10:01,563 And that understanding of how humans can work towards a common goal, and the adversary is not, 89 00:10:01,688 --> 00:10:08,695 other humans, but the natural environment, it's gravity, it's the rock, it's snow, it's ice, 90 00:10:08,779 --> 00:10:13,492 it's temperature, it's rain, it's food, it's self-sufficiency. 91 00:10:16,495 --> 00:10:18,122 I think the passion for climbing 92 00:10:18,205 --> 00:10:24,169 and the thing that I just crave to climb up the rock is just within me. 93 00:10:28,465 --> 00:10:33,345 I just had this dream that I would like to be a professional climber, 94 00:10:33,428 --> 00:10:35,848 and I just had any doubts about it. 95 00:10:36,598 --> 00:10:38,475 Like I was a hundred percent sure. 96 00:10:42,855 --> 00:10:47,192 [Emily] I just remember as a kid seeing like a boulder or something and being like, 97 00:10:47,276 --> 00:10:49,153 "Oh, I have to get to the top of that. Like that's what I want to do." 98 00:10:49,236 --> 00:10:50,821 And I'd spend hours doing it. 99 00:10:50,904 --> 00:10:56,034 And then, to be introduced to a place where you could go do that, and it was okay, 100 00:10:56,118 --> 00:10:59,204 and it was safe, and you could do it as much as you wanted to, 101 00:10:59,288 --> 00:11:01,165 and there were like different difficulty levels, 102 00:11:01,248 --> 00:11:03,458 and then add in the fact that I was a gymnast. 103 00:11:03,542 --> 00:11:06,795 So, I was already strong and flexible, and had a lot of body awareness. 104 00:11:06,879 --> 00:11:10,549 I think the combination of that was just really alluring to me. 105 00:11:16,638 --> 00:11:18,724 [Alex] I definitely would not say that I'm gifted. 106 00:11:18,807 --> 00:11:21,018 I've been pretty much climbing full-time for twenty years, 107 00:11:22,728 --> 00:11:26,732 and at no point did I ever have any prodigious gift. 108 00:11:26,815 --> 00:11:29,484 If you practice anything for twenty years, you're going to be pretty good at it. 109 00:11:32,863 --> 00:11:37,659 [David] I knew from-- not maybe-- not the very beginning, but really early on 110 00:11:37,784 --> 00:11:41,872 that this was something that I wanted to do for the rest of my life. 111 00:11:43,916 --> 00:11:49,963 I wouldn't say that I am who I am, or where I am today just because I'm gifted. 112 00:11:51,173 --> 00:11:56,470 To be at the very top, it's always a combination of having certain talent, 113 00:11:56,553 --> 00:12:00,140 being determined, being passionate. 114 00:12:00,224 --> 00:12:02,309 It's more than just being gifted I guess. 115 00:12:03,894 --> 00:12:06,271 [Angelika] I'm a rock climber and an ice climber. 116 00:12:08,106 --> 00:12:12,027 I think climbing was always something that was inside me as a child. 117 00:12:12,110 --> 00:12:16,698 When I was ten years old, I did my first via ferrata here in the Dolomites, 118 00:12:16,823 --> 00:12:21,119 and from this moment on I was just interested to touch the rock. 119 00:12:23,205 --> 00:12:26,166 [Xavier] What I do is a bit of a mountaineering sports, 120 00:12:26,250 --> 00:12:28,335 but I think I've taken it the other way around. 121 00:12:28,418 --> 00:12:31,296 I've taken it from the snowboarding perspective. 122 00:12:31,380 --> 00:12:35,717 So, what I like is you're making nice turns, nice jumps, 123 00:12:35,842 --> 00:12:39,137 and it transformed itself into making bigger lines 124 00:12:39,221 --> 00:12:43,517 and then go into this, bigger and bigger mountains that are more and more remote. 125 00:12:48,730 --> 00:12:51,942 [Maureen] I think I had the one counselor a camp that said, "You can skip this if you want, 126 00:12:52,025 --> 00:12:55,195 if you're not comfortable climbing, or it's too hard, you don't have to do this activity." 127 00:12:55,279 --> 00:13:00,701 For me that just elicited kind of a, "Screw you. I'm gonna do it, if you think I can't." 128 00:13:02,452 --> 00:13:04,496 I didn't think I was disabled, and I'm not disabled. 129 00:13:04,579 --> 00:13:06,707 I knew that other people thought that I was 130 00:13:06,790 --> 00:13:09,626 and so I just kind of set out to prove everybody wrong. 131 00:13:10,752 --> 00:13:13,338 And climbing just happened to be my venue to do that. 132 00:13:15,924 --> 00:13:19,845 I grew up fifty kilometers south from Mount Everest. 133 00:13:19,928 --> 00:13:27,227 I quit my school when I was sixteen and I follow with trackers as a porter. 134 00:13:27,311 --> 00:13:31,565 That is very normal in our area. 135 00:13:32,691 --> 00:13:36,486 For me it's very difficult for me to say, "I am a professional climber, 136 00:13:36,570 --> 00:13:39,489 or I am a professional mountaineer." 137 00:13:39,573 --> 00:13:41,616 In my experience on the mountain, 138 00:13:41,700 --> 00:13:46,955 every time we learn new things we need to tackle new situations. 139 00:13:48,623 --> 00:13:52,919 I grew up studying classical music, not outdoors, 140 00:13:53,003 --> 00:13:56,173 not from an athletic family, very studious. 141 00:13:56,256 --> 00:13:57,924 My main hobby was reading. 142 00:13:58,008 --> 00:14:03,930 Looking back, I can see that it was a very focused environment. 143 00:14:04,014 --> 00:14:08,852 When I was eighteen, I started climbing and so, very radically it changed my life. 144 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,649 [Reinhold] I'm most thankful in my life to my mother. 145 00:14:16,026 --> 00:14:18,070 She let us go. 146 00:14:19,613 --> 00:14:22,491 You have to imagine, I was sixteen, my brother was fourteen, 147 00:14:22,574 --> 00:14:26,828 and we went four o'clock in the morning after she prepared us breakfast. 148 00:14:26,912 --> 00:14:29,581 Just a rucksack and our shoes, and the ropes. 149 00:14:29,664 --> 00:14:34,211 Young boys, very young boys, still children and we went to climb. 150 00:14:38,465 --> 00:14:43,345 Whether I liked it or not I had a tendency to sort of pick the weird road. 151 00:14:43,428 --> 00:14:48,433 The road that didn't necessarily fall in line with what might be traditional. 152 00:14:49,184 --> 00:14:50,394 Yay! 153 00:15:16,336 --> 00:15:22,259 Deep water soloing for me is without a doubt, the-- the kind of purest form of climbing, 154 00:15:22,342 --> 00:15:24,094 just pure movement over the water. 155 00:15:27,764 --> 00:15:32,436 That's when you're climbing up faces that are over deep water, so that if you fall, 156 00:15:32,519 --> 00:15:34,479 you don't hit anything, you fall into the water, 157 00:15:34,563 --> 00:15:37,649 but you do have to land like a pencil, you know, 158 00:15:37,732 --> 00:15:40,610 so that you go through the water and you don't hurt yourself 159 00:15:40,694 --> 00:15:43,029 because if you have your arms out that slaps 160 00:15:43,113 --> 00:15:46,741 and you can dislocate your shoulder and cause serious injuries. 161 00:15:48,326 --> 00:15:50,078 [Chris] For me it's this really cool process 162 00:15:50,162 --> 00:15:53,165 of discovering something and kind of envisioning a line. 163 00:15:56,585 --> 00:16:01,256 Oftentimes, you spend years practicing the moves and refining the sequence, 164 00:16:01,339 --> 00:16:06,386 until you can enchain the whole thing in one pure section of climbing. 165 00:16:09,890 --> 00:16:14,478 All of these elements are there at once; the rock, the water, 166 00:16:14,561 --> 00:16:16,980 the air, you know, and the fire inside. 167 00:16:20,484 --> 00:16:23,111 [Adam] A climber that I really admire is Tommy Caldwell. 168 00:16:24,529 --> 00:16:26,615 He's like a perfect all-rounder. 169 00:16:26,698 --> 00:16:30,494 He can climb in any kind of style, or discipline. 170 00:16:33,914 --> 00:16:39,336 Definitely his climbing story was not easy, losing the finger. 171 00:16:41,379 --> 00:16:43,548 [Tommy] My dad was a mountain guide. 172 00:16:43,632 --> 00:16:46,218 So, I started climbing when I was three years old. 173 00:16:46,301 --> 00:16:49,262 I didn't think I would ever make a life of it, 174 00:16:49,346 --> 00:16:51,264 you know, I figured it would just be a hobby. 175 00:16:55,435 --> 00:17:02,150 When I was twenty-two years old, I was very focused on climbing 176 00:17:02,234 --> 00:17:04,277 and trying to become the best I could. 177 00:17:04,361 --> 00:17:08,114 And then I ended up chopping off my left index finger with the table saw. 178 00:17:08,198 --> 00:17:12,202 And this was something that stressed me out a lot, you know. 179 00:17:13,036 --> 00:17:15,789 Your finger is essential for the type of climbing that I was doing. 180 00:17:15,872 --> 00:17:16,915 It was very important 181 00:17:19,376 --> 00:17:23,255 and I think everybody in my community, kind of, was like, "Oh, that's so sad. 182 00:17:23,338 --> 00:17:27,300 He was looking like he could do all these great things in climbing and then he chopped off 183 00:17:27,384 --> 00:17:29,177 his finger, and it's probably over." 184 00:17:33,056 --> 00:17:37,686 I think my worry about that is what spurred me on. 185 00:17:37,769 --> 00:17:39,271 Like I wanted to prove them wrong. 186 00:17:39,354 --> 00:17:41,940 I wanted to prove my own fears wrong. 187 00:17:42,023 --> 00:17:45,694 So, there are different disciplines in climbing. 188 00:17:45,777 --> 00:17:52,534 I think the most ultimate risky is free solo, but there's so much risk involved. 189 00:17:52,617 --> 00:17:54,369 It's just, basically, free climbing. 190 00:17:54,452 --> 00:17:56,705 So no use of gear 191 00:17:57,622 --> 00:18:02,377 and you just climb up the wall, but every mistake can mean death. 192 00:18:05,922 --> 00:18:08,174 I can see why people like it. 193 00:18:08,258 --> 00:18:14,639 I can see how amazing feeling it can be, like, going five hundred meters off the ground 194 00:18:14,723 --> 00:18:20,562 and just having-- having nothing else than just your back and climbing shoes, 195 00:18:20,645 --> 00:18:23,732 but it's a risk that I don't want to take. 196 00:18:27,235 --> 00:18:34,242 [Lynn] Alex Honnold, very famous American climber, when he's free soloing, he's not all excited 197 00:18:34,326 --> 00:18:38,413 because if he was he wouldn't be able to climb as well as he does. 198 00:18:38,496 --> 00:18:44,252 So, he has to mitigate that and push the-- those negative feelings out. 199 00:18:44,336 --> 00:18:47,589 In fact, I think he's pretty well engaged in what he's doing and- 200 00:18:47,672 --> 00:18:51,676 and those negative thoughts might start to enter and he pushes him away. 201 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:56,014 "No, no, no. I'm in control." I think he's totally convinced that he's in control. 202 00:18:56,806 --> 00:19:00,602 He's such a good climber and most of the time you're following cracks, 203 00:19:00,685 --> 00:19:04,981 so it's the traditional style of climbing, jamming your hands and feet in the cracks, 204 00:19:05,065 --> 00:19:09,778 and that's pretty solid as opposed to hanging off your fingertips. 205 00:19:09,861 --> 00:19:11,946 He knows he's doing something risky, 206 00:19:12,030 --> 00:19:16,201 that something unexpected could happen, but it's very unlikely. 207 00:19:16,284 --> 00:19:22,332 But he's willing to accept that risk to live the life that he lives. So for him it's worth it. 208 00:19:24,876 --> 00:19:27,587 I mean I've definitely had many moments where-- 209 00:19:27,671 --> 00:19:29,255 where I think, you know, if something goes wrong, 210 00:19:29,339 --> 00:19:34,302 or if I fall off, or you know, if any one of the handful of factors happen, 211 00:19:34,386 --> 00:19:36,680 like, yeah, I could potentially perish, for sure. 212 00:19:39,057 --> 00:19:41,267 Yeah, I mean there are tons of things that I would never free solo. 213 00:19:42,185 --> 00:19:46,856 The difficulty rating doesn't mean as much for free soloing as it does for-- for rope climbing 214 00:19:46,940 --> 00:19:51,653 because something that's like rated quite difficult could be just a matter of fitness. 215 00:19:51,736 --> 00:19:53,697 It's just a matter of like holding on to the hold long enough, and so, 216 00:19:53,780 --> 00:19:56,241 if you have that level of fitness, it could feel quite safe. 217 00:19:56,324 --> 00:19:59,035 Whereas something that's rated quite easy, it could be smooth like a mirror 218 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:00,578 and you just slide right off. 219 00:20:00,662 --> 00:20:03,623 Even though it's easy I mean it's just really insecure. 220 00:20:04,833 --> 00:20:08,253 The risk is the likelihood of falling off and that totally depends on the terrain, 221 00:20:08,336 --> 00:20:10,839 and depends how difficult it is, depends how skilled the climber is, 222 00:20:10,922 --> 00:20:12,507 depends how much preparation went into it. 223 00:20:13,341 --> 00:20:16,261 Weather conditions like skin conditions like how your shoes feel 224 00:20:16,344 --> 00:20:18,179 just like a lot of different things going on. 225 00:20:18,263 --> 00:20:21,099 And the things I've just done so much easy so long in my life 226 00:20:21,182 --> 00:20:24,936 that I feel like I've experienced a lot of the things that there are to experience. 227 00:20:25,019 --> 00:20:29,357 [Emily] Maybe in order to achieve that feeling, that like, powerful feeling, 228 00:20:29,441 --> 00:20:31,025 he needs something as difficult as that 229 00:20:31,109 --> 00:20:34,863 because everything else is just not hard enough. 230 00:20:34,946 --> 00:20:39,200 And you have to have like the utmost confidence in yourself, 231 00:20:39,284 --> 00:20:41,286 and in what you're doing, and in your skills. 232 00:20:41,369 --> 00:20:46,708 And that's a really empowering thing, to feel that and to get to the bottom or the top 233 00:20:46,791 --> 00:20:52,005 and be like, "I just did that and I mentally did that, more than anything." 234 00:20:53,965 --> 00:20:57,343 [Maureen] You know, I'm on ropes and equipment, but I still get this really Zen-like focus 235 00:20:57,427 --> 00:20:58,595 because I don't want to fall. 236 00:20:59,429 --> 00:21:02,724 Maybe my attitude would be different if I was totally fine just falling over and over, 237 00:21:02,807 --> 00:21:09,230 and taking giant huge woofers, but because I don't, I get that focus while I'm climbing. 238 00:21:09,314 --> 00:21:13,735 And I can imagine that someone like Alex, he's climbed so much where he started to lose 239 00:21:13,818 --> 00:21:15,987 that focus because climb is just climbing again. 240 00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:20,784 So, I'd have to imagine that's just another way to sort of recapture that ultimate sort of 241 00:21:20,867 --> 00:21:23,119 laser connection between you and the rock. 242 00:21:36,049 --> 00:21:37,842 [screaming] 243 00:21:54,067 --> 00:21:56,694 [Steph] There are really serious consequences. 244 00:21:56,778 --> 00:22:00,907 It's not the same thing as just sport climbing, or climbing with a rope where, 245 00:22:00,990 --> 00:22:03,910 "Oh, I fell and nothing happened, but I was scared." 246 00:22:03,993 --> 00:22:05,912 That's a different consequence level. 247 00:22:05,995 --> 00:22:07,747 When you're in the mountains, when you're 248 00:22:08,498 --> 00:22:11,709 climbing without a rope, when you're jumping off a cliff, 249 00:22:12,377 --> 00:22:14,587 there is a very serious consequence, 250 00:22:14,671 --> 00:22:17,715 which is that you can get really injured or you can die. 251 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,935 I mean occasionally with climbing there is like a thrill where, 252 00:22:29,018 --> 00:22:32,939 you know, something unexpected happens, or you get really- 253 00:22:33,022 --> 00:22:34,440 really afraid and then you overcome it. 254 00:22:34,524 --> 00:22:36,442 I mean, you know, there are, of course, moments 255 00:22:36,526 --> 00:22:38,945 that-- that are sort of, more of the conventional thrill-seeking. 256 00:22:40,989 --> 00:22:43,449 But for the most part, I think climbing provides that deep satisfaction 257 00:22:43,533 --> 00:22:45,618 of like doing something challenging, and doing it well, 258 00:22:45,702 --> 00:22:46,995 and putting a lot of effort into it, 259 00:22:47,078 --> 00:22:49,998 and just, you know, like that long slow grind. 260 00:22:52,041 --> 00:22:56,004 [Leo] It's not the same as snowboarding, or B.A.S.E. jumping. 261 00:22:56,087 --> 00:22:57,714 It's very slow, 262 00:22:58,548 --> 00:23:02,635 which is fundamentally different to most of what people call extreme sports. 263 00:23:02,719 --> 00:23:05,096 It's a really drawn-out process. 264 00:23:05,179 --> 00:23:09,017 You have to constantly decide whether you're going to continue or not, 265 00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:10,727 and you're faced with those decisions. 266 00:23:10,810 --> 00:23:13,438 Then they're not split-second reaction-based decisions. 267 00:23:13,521 --> 00:23:19,360 They're very, kind of, informed, problem-solving, experience-based decisions. 268 00:23:28,202 --> 00:23:31,998 [Tommy] I don't climb to pursue the typical adrenaline rush 269 00:23:32,081 --> 00:23:35,043 that you think of, like, what B.A.S.E. jumpers get a thrill 270 00:23:35,126 --> 00:23:37,295 out of like that instantaneous adrenaline rush. 271 00:23:37,378 --> 00:23:39,505 Like generally, that's not a part of rock climbing. 272 00:23:39,589 --> 00:23:41,341 If that happens, it's a bad thing. 273 00:23:43,343 --> 00:23:47,889 [Steph] I would say one thing about jumping, and one reason that I do it, 274 00:23:47,972 --> 00:23:51,351 and that I think people do it, is that it is very emotional. 275 00:23:52,769 --> 00:23:58,149 To have that moment of standing at the edge, and making that decision to go, 276 00:23:58,232 --> 00:24:04,072 and understanding there's no going back, it's such a powerful encapsulation of life, 277 00:24:04,155 --> 00:24:07,951 of knowing what you think should happen, and what you want to happen, 278 00:24:08,034 --> 00:24:11,955 but also accepting that something unknown may happen. 279 00:24:17,835 --> 00:24:20,254 Wingsuiting is always inherently a little more special. 280 00:24:20,338 --> 00:24:24,092 It takes a little more effort and it is a very different experience 281 00:24:24,175 --> 00:24:25,927 to be flying off the edge of a cliff. 282 00:24:26,719 --> 00:24:31,557 You have the visual experience of a bird for a very short time, and so, you're flying, 283 00:24:31,641 --> 00:24:33,726 and looking down, and looking here, and looking there, 284 00:24:33,810 --> 00:24:37,730 and deciding if you want to go steeper, get higher, and where to turn. 285 00:24:38,898 --> 00:24:43,736 I think when you're new, the whole emotion is like, "I can't believe that I get to do this." 286 00:24:43,820 --> 00:24:47,198 And it works. And it's this kind of like, "Wow." 287 00:24:48,074 --> 00:24:56,958 Now, from where I am I feel that it's just really a very powerful, 288 00:24:57,041 --> 00:25:00,461 magical experience to be able to do such a thing, 289 00:25:00,545 --> 00:25:03,756 but I also understand the costs that it has. 290 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:08,970 And so, I have a very different perspective than perhaps in the first or second year, 291 00:25:09,053 --> 00:25:12,640 when it was just super wow, and, yes, I know things happen, 292 00:25:12,724 --> 00:25:15,435 but whatever, it won't happen to me and... 293 00:25:23,317 --> 00:25:25,028 Whoo! 294 00:25:29,449 --> 00:25:32,952 [Leo] If I ever felt like I was gonna die, I wouldn't have done it 295 00:25:33,036 --> 00:25:37,081 and there were jumps that I walked away from, lots of them. You don't think that. 296 00:25:37,165 --> 00:25:40,460 You think you're gonna have a hell of a ride, you're doing it for fun, 297 00:25:40,543 --> 00:25:43,671 and then you're gonna do it again, and again, and again, you're gonna do as many that day 298 00:25:43,755 --> 00:25:46,632 and as many the next day as you possibly can, and- 299 00:25:46,716 --> 00:25:50,595 and every time anyone jumps off a cliff, they don't think they're gonna die. 300 00:25:50,678 --> 00:25:52,889 You don't feel-- it's not-- you're not playing Russian roulette. 301 00:25:52,972 --> 00:25:56,267 You don't feel like you're throwing the dice and chancing life. 302 00:25:56,350 --> 00:25:59,729 You feel like you're gonna take a more aggressive line, and fly harder, and swoop this, 303 00:25:59,812 --> 00:26:03,816 and do that, and have a high-five at the bottom, but that's what everyone thinks. 304 00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:05,485 Set, go. 305 00:26:10,198 --> 00:26:13,951 Some of the experiences that you have in the outdoors certainly, B.A.S.E. jumping, 306 00:26:14,035 --> 00:26:19,457 skiing, high-speed sports, it's undeniable that you have a full-on adrenaline rush 307 00:26:19,540 --> 00:26:21,918 and it is a straight up... [simulates rush] 308 00:26:22,001 --> 00:26:25,671 You know, when-- when you land or when you get to the bottom, or when you come off the wave, 309 00:26:25,755 --> 00:26:29,467 it's you know, you shake it and your eyes are on stalks 310 00:26:29,550 --> 00:26:32,261 and that's an adrenaline rush, definitely. 311 00:26:32,345 --> 00:26:33,679 And it is addictive. 312 00:26:35,473 --> 00:26:38,518 [Xavier] You know, the harder and the further you push yourself, 313 00:26:38,601 --> 00:26:41,729 the more at the end of your run you're gonna get this-- 314 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,819 this bum-- this-- this explosion of feelings and-- and I think that's- 315 00:26:47,902 --> 00:26:53,282 that's when we have this kind of adrenaline people stereotype a little bit, 316 00:26:53,366 --> 00:26:56,410 but-- but I think that, eventually, 317 00:26:56,494 --> 00:26:59,288 you know, the pleasure of what we do truly comes after. 318 00:26:59,372 --> 00:27:04,836 It's not on the moment because it's, uh, it's too intense to-- to enjoy it. 319 00:27:07,255 --> 00:27:10,925 [David] It just doesn't make sense to reduce it to one single feeling. 320 00:27:11,008 --> 00:27:16,597 It doesn't make sense to reduce it to say, "I'm doing it for the adrenaline rush." 321 00:27:18,057 --> 00:27:20,685 It's way more complex and, in my opinion, 322 00:27:20,768 --> 00:27:23,813 the reason I do it is because it's self-fulfilling to me. 323 00:27:23,896 --> 00:27:29,235 I like it when I stand in front of a of an untouched face of a mountain. 324 00:27:29,318 --> 00:27:34,574 And if I can look up and imagine the way I'm gonna climb up 325 00:27:34,657 --> 00:27:39,745 you transition that idea into something that's actually reality, right? 326 00:27:41,122 --> 00:27:43,875 That's-- that's a beautiful thing in my opinion. 327 00:27:46,085 --> 00:27:49,172 From an outside perspective, I fail most of the times 328 00:27:49,255 --> 00:27:51,424 because I-- most of the times 329 00:27:51,507 --> 00:27:54,677 I don't make it up to the summit when I go on an expedition. 330 00:27:56,637 --> 00:27:59,223 [Alex] Well, I think that that for me the biggest rewards with climbing 331 00:27:59,307 --> 00:28:02,643 are sort of like a deep satisfaction with reaching the summit, 332 00:28:02,727 --> 00:28:04,228 or not necessarily with reaching the summit even, 333 00:28:04,312 --> 00:28:05,980 but deep satisfaction from the process. 334 00:28:07,648 --> 00:28:10,443 I mean it's very satisfying to know that you've put a lot of effort into something, 335 00:28:10,526 --> 00:28:12,737 and you've eventually gotten some kind of return from it. 336 00:28:16,324 --> 00:28:21,078 When we make it to the summit of a Himalayan peak, the journey is only half over. 337 00:28:21,162 --> 00:28:24,457 There might be a little bit of elation, but there really-- there isn't like this 338 00:28:24,540 --> 00:28:30,504 great moment and the clouds open up and Beethoven's 9th plays in your head 339 00:28:30,588 --> 00:28:34,842 and you're like, "Yeah, I made it." You know all this chest thumping stuff. 340 00:28:34,926 --> 00:28:38,554 It's more like you're very humble, 341 00:28:38,638 --> 00:28:42,016 you're very respectful because you still have to make it down. 342 00:28:44,018 --> 00:28:45,686 [Hilaree] There's trips that I have put 343 00:28:46,854 --> 00:28:49,815 years and years and years of effort and planning into. 344 00:28:51,150 --> 00:28:55,279 You know from the outside and especially, if you're watching a film about climbing 345 00:28:55,363 --> 00:28:58,532 or something, you're always moving and you're in the mountains, and, etc. 346 00:28:58,616 --> 00:29:01,535 , but there's these huge chunks of time where you're-- 347 00:29:01,619 --> 00:29:03,829 you are-- you're stuck, I mean, you're in a 348 00:29:04,497 --> 00:29:08,876 tiny-- tiny tent and you can't move because there's a storm outside, or 349 00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:15,716 the weather is such that you can't retreat from where you are on a mountain. 350 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,345 Like, "What the hell am I doing here? Why am I here? I should be home. 351 00:29:19,428 --> 00:29:23,391 I should be, you know, taking my kids to soccer practice and instead 352 00:29:23,474 --> 00:29:26,560 I'm like stuck and I'm not moving. I'm not doing anything." 353 00:29:27,353 --> 00:29:29,146 So. there's this really 354 00:29:30,231 --> 00:29:35,528 crazy balance of having to be able to move on a moment's notice 355 00:29:35,611 --> 00:29:38,698 and get right into the thick of scary climbing, 356 00:29:38,781 --> 00:29:44,662 right alongside being immobile for like, you know, sometimes days on end. 357 00:29:48,207 --> 00:29:54,422 And you get to the top, and it's kind of like you do expect fireworks to go off and like, 358 00:29:54,505 --> 00:29:59,010 you know, the red carpet to be rolled out, and like something amazing is gonna happen, 359 00:29:59,093 --> 00:30:02,638 but, of course, it doesn't and you're just at the top. 360 00:30:02,722 --> 00:30:05,099 And sometimes you have a great view, 361 00:30:05,182 --> 00:30:07,560 sometimes it's like socked in and you can't even see anything. 362 00:30:10,104 --> 00:30:14,692 Sometimes I also question by myself that why you really like to do this, you know. 363 00:30:14,775 --> 00:30:17,069 Even like, sometime in the mountain it gets so cold. 364 00:30:17,153 --> 00:30:22,658 I don't get like enough food. I'm sh-- I cannot sleep at all that I also questioned by myself 365 00:30:22,742 --> 00:30:26,787 like why you are doing it? But I don't have an answer because I love it. 366 00:30:26,871 --> 00:30:28,956 It's not necessarily to be on the top. 367 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,500 I found positive energy on the mountain. 368 00:30:31,584 --> 00:30:33,002 It's so different power. 369 00:30:33,085 --> 00:30:35,254 I feel that every time I go there. 370 00:30:36,464 --> 00:30:40,259 [Chris] You know there is a risk that you could dedicate years of your life to something 371 00:30:40,343 --> 00:30:42,094 and come up empty-handed. 372 00:30:42,178 --> 00:30:46,390 I think that's-- that's one of the interesting experiences in personal battles 373 00:30:46,474 --> 00:30:51,645 that you have while working on these climbs is that it really forces you to question: 374 00:30:51,729 --> 00:30:55,066 "Well, why am I doing this when I've been forced to give up." 375 00:30:55,149 --> 00:30:58,903 That's when you shed all these layers and you have these very perfect moments 376 00:30:58,986 --> 00:31:01,989 where you're able to just climb as if you were light as a feather. 377 00:31:05,242 --> 00:31:06,911 [Tommy] I climbed a route I called the Dawn Wall, 378 00:31:06,994 --> 00:31:10,748 where I took seven years of just trying to prepare 379 00:31:10,831 --> 00:31:15,544 and I'd go-- go to that wall for two or three months a year and practiced the individual moves. 380 00:31:15,628 --> 00:31:17,755 And then I would train the rest of the year, and it was-- 381 00:31:17,838 --> 00:31:20,132 I never really knew whether I was gonna be able to do it. 382 00:31:20,216 --> 00:31:25,346 And so, that was kind of pushing my mental endurance as far as I could. 383 00:31:27,723 --> 00:31:32,770 At times you feel elated, you feel you can get to the top and the sun seems a little brighter, 384 00:31:32,853 --> 00:31:35,147 that you know, the sky seems like a deeper shade of blue, 385 00:31:35,231 --> 00:31:38,192 and other times it can be like a loss of your relationships. 386 00:31:38,275 --> 00:31:43,030 Like, some of these climbs become so entrenched in us that when we finally do them, 387 00:31:44,198 --> 00:31:45,366 it can almost be a letdown. 388 00:31:47,993 --> 00:31:52,206 So, what's the point of doing this? It's anti-climactic, you're kind of like, "Okay. 389 00:31:52,289 --> 00:31:57,044 Well, now I like-- I climbed this-- this wall and now I'm just gonna walk down 390 00:31:57,128 --> 00:32:00,089 the easier way. I, basically, just chose the hard way." 391 00:32:03,134 --> 00:32:07,054 If you look at it literally, it's so stupid, you know. 392 00:32:07,138 --> 00:32:12,518 We intentionally find the most difficult way to the summit of a mountain. 393 00:32:12,601 --> 00:32:14,728 Sometimes not even to the summit, you know. 394 00:32:14,812 --> 00:32:18,232 It's just about finding the hardest way and you maybe touch the top. 395 00:32:18,315 --> 00:32:21,735 Obviously, the summit gives you kind of an obvious destination. 396 00:32:21,819 --> 00:32:26,365 It gives you something to aim for, but it really isn't about-- about getting to the top. 397 00:32:26,449 --> 00:32:28,576 If it was, you would always go the easiest way. 398 00:32:32,830 --> 00:32:36,375 Many people think it's the climb up for reaching the summit. Why? 399 00:32:37,209 --> 00:32:40,004 The mountains are much more beautiful from below. 400 00:32:40,087 --> 00:32:42,173 They are not up-- beautiful from up there. 401 00:32:42,256 --> 00:32:45,050 It's only a massive stone and some ice. 402 00:32:45,134 --> 00:32:48,471 The key moment of a climb is afterwards. 403 00:32:49,221 --> 00:32:57,021 Coming out of these dangerous places and feeling like survival is the key of life. 404 00:32:57,104 --> 00:33:03,694 And going between possible and impossible means that we are on the limit of our possibilities. 405 00:33:05,905 --> 00:33:09,950 Before going to Everest without oxygen, all the doctors and the physicians 406 00:33:10,034 --> 00:33:12,703 said openly worldwide that it's not possible. 407 00:33:12,786 --> 00:33:14,955 We can prove it with our numbers. 408 00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:19,960 We can make a calculation that the lack of pressure in high altitude 409 00:33:20,044 --> 00:33:26,175 above eight thousand five hundred meters is so bad that nobody could move up there. 410 00:33:26,258 --> 00:33:29,094 And Everest is eight thousand eight hundred and fifty meters. 411 00:33:29,178 --> 00:33:31,639 But their calculation was wrong. 412 00:33:31,722 --> 00:33:32,723 Amazing. 413 00:33:39,813 --> 00:33:43,275 They did a wrong calculation and we prove that it is possible. 414 00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:50,449 Sometimes no summit during the expedition, 415 00:33:50,533 --> 00:33:57,331 but I am always happy even no summit because I control the dream. 416 00:33:57,414 --> 00:34:00,167 Because I know very well, if I have a big dream 417 00:34:00,251 --> 00:34:06,173 about this summit, the risk factor is also bigger. 418 00:34:08,342 --> 00:34:10,970 The thing is people would typically associate risk with danger. 419 00:34:11,053 --> 00:34:13,305 So, I hate to say that it's riskier to have big dreams 420 00:34:13,389 --> 00:34:15,641 because it's not necessarily more dangerous. I mean some- 421 00:34:15,724 --> 00:34:18,561 some big dreams are just more audacious or require more hard work, 422 00:34:18,644 --> 00:34:21,397 more preparation, but they aren't necessarily dangerous. 423 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,233 And I've certainly had a lot of big goals or big dreams in climbing 424 00:34:24,316 --> 00:34:26,652 that aren't dangerous at all, they just require, you know, 425 00:34:26,735 --> 00:34:29,113 buckling down and training quite hard for a long time. 426 00:34:29,196 --> 00:34:30,489 Argh! 427 00:34:32,408 --> 00:34:36,453 [Adam] I don't say that everything I climb is hundred percent safe. 428 00:34:36,537 --> 00:34:39,790 I always try to value the risk, if it's worth it or not. 429 00:34:42,585 --> 00:34:47,756 And I think, eliminating all the risk from our life, like, destroys all the fun. 430 00:34:48,882 --> 00:34:53,721 [Leo] What is acceptable or unacceptable risk? There's no hard and fast answers to that. 431 00:34:53,804 --> 00:34:56,432 It's not a finite question. 432 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:03,355 The truth is you make those judgments that are based on your experience, your knowledge. 433 00:35:04,565 --> 00:35:06,525 There's a fine line between badass and dumb-ass. 434 00:35:06,609 --> 00:35:09,570 There's a fine line between bravery and stupidity 435 00:35:09,653 --> 00:35:14,116 and it's not easy to recognize where that line is, but you know when you cross it. 436 00:35:18,037 --> 00:35:23,042 There's no point in taking on like real risk just for a cameraman. 437 00:35:29,715 --> 00:35:33,594 It's so difficult to film real hardcore climbing. 438 00:35:35,763 --> 00:35:40,100 So, I mean anything truly extreme you're never gonna see real footage of, 439 00:35:40,184 --> 00:35:41,810 it's just too difficult to get. 440 00:35:41,894 --> 00:35:44,104 I think that in the in the Sendero Luminoso footage, 441 00:35:44,229 --> 00:35:46,649 it's one of those things where the film seems so extreme, 442 00:35:46,732 --> 00:35:48,817 but it's like way less than the actual experience. 443 00:35:52,571 --> 00:35:56,575 The most poignant scene is this clip of me making some kind of 444 00:35:56,659 --> 00:35:59,370 difficult moves on like a thin vertical face. 445 00:35:59,453 --> 00:36:01,538 I mean it looks quite scary. 446 00:36:04,124 --> 00:36:07,586 We went back and filmed that the day after I'd actually done the real free solo. 447 00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:10,130 And so, the climbing that I felt comfortable enough 448 00:36:10,255 --> 00:36:11,965 on that I was willing to do it again and again, 449 00:36:12,049 --> 00:36:13,384 and just repeat it on command 450 00:36:13,467 --> 00:36:16,387 and we, obviously, skipped the stuff that was like truly extreme 451 00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:18,138 because there were some parts of that climb 452 00:36:18,222 --> 00:36:20,307 that I'm like, I will do that once and that's it. 453 00:36:25,729 --> 00:36:29,525 Because I don't want to die, you know, I don't really want to fall to my death off a wall. 454 00:36:29,608 --> 00:36:34,279 I'm sort of hoping to die at ninety-four, you know, with a couple of grandkids, 455 00:36:34,363 --> 00:36:36,115 like just all peacefully. 456 00:36:39,034 --> 00:36:42,871 [Steph] I feel like the human brain is not very good with risk. 457 00:36:42,955 --> 00:36:49,628 I think that's partly based on our evolution and what's happened to us as humans 458 00:36:49,712 --> 00:36:54,550 in the last two hundred years with the advent of so much technology, 459 00:36:55,592 --> 00:37:00,139 so much change from the preceding thousands of years. 460 00:37:02,516 --> 00:37:09,523 There's so much attached to safety and sustainability in terms of being careful, 461 00:37:09,606 --> 00:37:12,901 in trying to provide for what you think might happen, 462 00:37:13,861 --> 00:37:17,906 and taking a lot of precautions, and then there's also just luck. 463 00:37:19,408 --> 00:37:26,081 And to me it's kind of fifty-fifty and that goes for everybody in life. 464 00:37:26,165 --> 00:37:29,752 We see standing on top of a cliff as very, very dangerous 465 00:37:30,419 --> 00:37:33,046 and we're extremely upset about that. 466 00:37:33,130 --> 00:37:37,676 And then we go back and we drive the car and, you know, everyone drives cars, 467 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,137 so our brain now thinks that's okay. 468 00:37:40,220 --> 00:37:45,142 And we just don't do a very good job at really rationally, 469 00:37:45,225 --> 00:37:47,561 and objectively understanding risk. 470 00:37:48,896 --> 00:37:55,694 That is why sports that involve any sort of fall potential, they really grab our imagination 471 00:37:55,778 --> 00:37:58,614 or our attention and play on our emotions so much. 472 00:38:01,158 --> 00:38:05,788 [Chris] I feel pretty safe climbing up my limit twenty meters above the ocean 473 00:38:05,871 --> 00:38:08,457 and to other people maybe that seems kind of risky. 474 00:38:11,043 --> 00:38:14,963 You know these cliffs that we're climbing on, they've been around for millions of years 475 00:38:15,047 --> 00:38:18,258 and they've always just been random cliffs, 476 00:38:18,342 --> 00:38:22,971 but when we come to them and we've discovered these interesting pathways, 477 00:38:23,055 --> 00:38:25,182 and we kind of bring this interaction to them, 478 00:38:25,265 --> 00:38:30,395 they become something much more than just stagnant rocks, they come to life. 479 00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:36,944 It's rare when all of these things come together to find something that's just 480 00:38:37,027 --> 00:38:38,570 barely possible. 481 00:38:38,654 --> 00:38:43,867 Oftentimes, these climbs I have to work on, over and over again, and they do require a lot of- 482 00:38:43,951 --> 00:38:48,664 a lot of suffering, a lot of frustration, kind of beating your head against the wall, 483 00:38:50,165 --> 00:38:54,044 but for sure, I think, accidents in climbing happen when we're not scared, 484 00:38:54,127 --> 00:38:56,380 or when you get too comfortable doing something. 485 00:38:58,674 --> 00:38:59,550 [screaming] 486 00:39:02,302 --> 00:39:08,183 I think the biggest difference in-- in mountaineering and climbing is that in climbing, 487 00:39:08,267 --> 00:39:13,689 you have to get rid of the fear because you're doing something that is relatively safe, 488 00:39:15,232 --> 00:39:21,071 while climbing a mountain, fear can be something that saves your life. 489 00:39:25,784 --> 00:39:28,120 [Conrad] Fear keeps me alive. 490 00:39:28,203 --> 00:39:31,123 We all have our fear. Fear is self-preservation. 491 00:39:31,206 --> 00:39:37,546 So, are you gonna step out into a busy intersection? No, you'll get hit by a truck and be gone. 492 00:39:37,629 --> 00:39:44,970 So, you're always analyzing each situation in terms of what that risk brings to you 493 00:39:45,053 --> 00:39:47,055 and what the potential rewards are. 494 00:39:47,139 --> 00:39:50,726 So, when I go to a mountain there's just this moment where you 495 00:39:51,852 --> 00:39:56,356 step up off the ground, and you're on a cliff and you're in a sea of gravity, 496 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,943 and you make a mistake, and you can pay the consequences. 497 00:40:00,027 --> 00:40:05,157 You can break a leg, you can injure yourself and you can die. 498 00:40:07,075 --> 00:40:10,787 [Alex] I mean with-- with climbing, fear is a little bit more complicated 499 00:40:10,871 --> 00:40:13,290 because then you kind of have to separate whether it's justified or not, 500 00:40:13,373 --> 00:40:17,294 like, whether it's just your mind running away from itself or if you're actually in danger. 501 00:40:17,377 --> 00:40:21,381 And if you are, what does that mean and how should you try to mitigate that danger? 502 00:40:21,465 --> 00:40:25,344 Is it a rational fear? Do it-- am I experiencing real risk right now, 503 00:40:25,427 --> 00:40:30,098 or is it just this human instinct that says, "Hey, it's not normal to be eighty feet 504 00:40:30,182 --> 00:40:35,020 above your station and on a rope that's as thick as your finger," and you know. 505 00:40:35,103 --> 00:40:38,398 But we all still have that primal fear that we have to learn how to turn off, 506 00:40:38,523 --> 00:40:41,610 and when you're in the heat of the moment, it's really hard to separate the two. 507 00:40:41,693 --> 00:40:45,155 Like you can be convinced you're in real danger, even if you're not. 508 00:40:45,238 --> 00:40:46,657 And that's something I struggle with. 509 00:40:46,740 --> 00:40:50,410 I'll get really scared and then have to either myself, or my partner, 510 00:40:50,494 --> 00:40:54,915 just talk myself down and say, "Your risk here is actually really low, we're fine." 511 00:40:59,419 --> 00:41:03,465 [Conrad] Moving snow and ice is my greatest fear, my greatest worry 512 00:41:04,841 --> 00:41:11,139 and so, if you're rock climbing, falling is that's the potential, but you can control that. 513 00:41:11,223 --> 00:41:14,685 You can place the gear, you can choose to do routes that are well protected, 514 00:41:14,768 --> 00:41:19,606 you can really dial in that-- that safety net that you have in rock climbing, 515 00:41:19,690 --> 00:41:22,567 and choose not to go up on it because you are going up, you can turn around. 516 00:41:22,651 --> 00:41:28,991 But when you're climbing on Himalayan Peaks that are glaciated by their very nature, 517 00:41:29,074 --> 00:41:33,203 you have to assess that risk of where that ice and where that snow is. 518 00:41:39,167 --> 00:41:42,170 [Xavier] Danger can come from so many different situations, you know, 519 00:41:42,254 --> 00:41:44,840 it can be a change of temperature, 520 00:41:44,923 --> 00:41:48,051 it can be a cornice that's really far away above you, 521 00:41:48,135 --> 00:41:53,849 the snow stability is a big, big, factor in what we do and it's a very challenging one. 522 00:41:53,932 --> 00:41:59,104 There can be rocks falling, they can be you falling, and it's such a paradox 523 00:41:59,187 --> 00:42:04,484 because you're up there, it's sunny, it's beautiful, it's powder, it's the most fun, 524 00:42:04,568 --> 00:42:09,823 and the most exciting thing to do, but at the same time in a split second 525 00:42:09,906 --> 00:42:14,828 it can go from an amazing day to-- to the worst day of your life. 526 00:42:17,372 --> 00:42:23,670 [Angelika] In Canada climbing in Helmcken Falls this was actually quite a dangerous place, 527 00:42:23,754 --> 00:42:26,131 and in the beginning, when I got there, 528 00:42:26,214 --> 00:42:31,136 I wasn't that aware because there was this huge cave 529 00:42:31,219 --> 00:42:34,347 with all these hanging icicles on it 530 00:42:34,431 --> 00:42:37,893 and then there was huge waterfall coming down. 531 00:42:39,728 --> 00:42:45,984 And the waterfall creates a kind of cone on the base and then you walk on this cone, 532 00:42:46,068 --> 00:42:49,905 but this could also collapse or there are crevasses. 533 00:42:49,988 --> 00:42:55,619 And in the beginning, we moved on this a little bit easily and in the evening, I said, 534 00:42:55,702 --> 00:42:57,829 "Okay, this was maybe too dangerous. 535 00:42:57,913 --> 00:43:00,290 We should really take care when we walk there." 536 00:43:02,834 --> 00:43:07,547 You know with ice climbing you have to really be aware that ice can break 537 00:43:07,631 --> 00:43:09,174 from one moment to another. 538 00:43:09,257 --> 00:43:14,262 That the whole Icefall can even come down, if the temperatures are wrong. 539 00:43:14,346 --> 00:43:18,558 So, this is a discipline where you should have quite a lot of experience 540 00:43:18,642 --> 00:43:21,561 to calculate how the quality of ice is. 541 00:43:22,854 --> 00:43:27,025 I think out of the twenty or so people that I've known quite a while that have died 542 00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:31,363 in the mountains, most of them died in avalanches or from ice falls. 543 00:43:32,989 --> 00:43:36,201 So I'm a rock climber because rock is a little more solid. 544 00:43:36,284 --> 00:43:38,912 I think the risks are less in that environments. 545 00:43:39,913 --> 00:43:42,666 You know have I been on expeditions where I thought I was going to die? 546 00:43:42,749 --> 00:43:45,585 And the answer is yes, I have. But I've also seen 547 00:43:46,294 --> 00:43:54,553 death come out of the blue and just take away life in the most innocuous of situations. 548 00:43:56,388 --> 00:43:58,515 I don't want to die and I don't go into the mountains 549 00:43:58,598 --> 00:44:03,562 seeking death by any stretch of the imagination, but I also want to live, 550 00:44:03,645 --> 00:44:10,694 and live a life that has given me experiences and stories and adventure. 551 00:44:10,777 --> 00:44:13,780 I think it's a really, really fine line between life and death 552 00:44:13,864 --> 00:44:17,200 and we're so close to it all the time and we don't talk about it. 553 00:44:20,203 --> 00:44:23,498 But I feel like we should actually be more comfortable talking about it 554 00:44:23,582 --> 00:44:26,835 because this is one thing that we all share, like, everyone in the world. 555 00:44:28,170 --> 00:44:32,132 No matter who you are, nobody is going to survive. 556 00:44:34,926 --> 00:44:39,222 I mean I'd rather live a long happy life, obviously. 557 00:44:39,306 --> 00:44:44,895 That said, you know, there are risks I am willing to take to live a really fulfilled life, 558 00:44:44,978 --> 00:44:50,567 and, if I get unlucky, then I get unlucky and that's just how it is, you know. 559 00:44:52,569 --> 00:44:57,991 [Steph] I do go through life saying, "Yes, you know, we are human. We are gonna die. 560 00:44:58,074 --> 00:45:01,411 We don't know when? We don't know how? It can come from nowhere." 561 00:45:01,494 --> 00:45:04,331 It's not necessarily because you did something wrong, you know. 562 00:45:04,414 --> 00:45:06,875 Sometimes things just happen, right? 563 00:46:26,830 --> 00:46:31,001 [Xavier] Personally, I really don't want to die in the mountains. 564 00:46:34,671 --> 00:46:37,299 You know, you hear quite often, "Oh, you could- 565 00:46:37,382 --> 00:46:40,176 you know, he died doing what he loved and whatever." 566 00:46:40,260 --> 00:46:45,724 But I'm not playing with this and I have been almost dead a few times in my life, 567 00:46:45,807 --> 00:46:50,395 and you don't feel anything in a way, and I'm not scared 568 00:46:50,478 --> 00:46:56,901 of whatever afterlife that could be, but I'm scared for-- for others, you know, to be in pain. 569 00:46:59,029 --> 00:47:00,780 Of course, everyone's afraid of dying, you know. 570 00:47:00,905 --> 00:47:02,615 That's the end of the ride. 571 00:47:02,699 --> 00:47:04,159 No more fun when you're dead. 572 00:47:05,076 --> 00:47:10,540 You know, if you could think after you got killed, you would feel like an idiot like, 573 00:47:10,623 --> 00:47:14,377 "Oh, I went up there and did that? Like that's ridiculous." 574 00:47:14,461 --> 00:47:19,341 You know, like big ice faces where you know it's too warm and there's like big 575 00:47:19,424 --> 00:47:22,677 truck-size daggers of ice pointing down the face, 576 00:47:22,761 --> 00:47:25,972 and you know, there's a ninety percent chance you stand on top of that thing, 577 00:47:26,056 --> 00:47:30,643 and a ten percent chance that piece of ice comes down and kills you, or hurts you. 578 00:47:30,727 --> 00:47:32,729 You know, that's just like, not good odds. 579 00:47:35,648 --> 00:47:39,444 [Pasang] When I was on K2, 2014, 580 00:47:39,527 --> 00:47:41,821 where I was in the Nepali women team on the K2 581 00:47:41,905 --> 00:47:47,702 and for the summit day in the K2, the bottleneck is like a most dangerous part. 582 00:47:49,204 --> 00:47:55,627 It was like a big serac hanging over and it can collapse any time without a warning. 583 00:47:55,710 --> 00:48:02,759 So, under the serac I had to stop like two hours and every moment I was like praying. 584 00:48:02,842 --> 00:48:06,137 I was like, "Oh, my God! If this serac falls down, what's gonna happen?" 585 00:48:06,221 --> 00:48:08,181 I was just looking at the serac. 586 00:48:12,185 --> 00:48:14,813 I just got very emotional. I was just crying. 587 00:48:14,896 --> 00:48:18,108 The first time I cry on the top in the mountain was K2 588 00:48:18,191 --> 00:48:21,403 because I had to go through lots of challenges. 589 00:48:21,486 --> 00:48:25,532 It took lots of effort to come there, convince all the family, friends, 590 00:48:25,615 --> 00:48:29,327 raising funds, and beyond that-- they are safely on the mountain. 591 00:48:29,411 --> 00:48:32,205 I was just emotional and I was just crying. 592 00:48:32,288 --> 00:48:34,666 Still I had little fear inside me, you know? 593 00:48:34,749 --> 00:48:38,962 Because most of the accident happened going down from the mountain. 594 00:48:41,506 --> 00:48:46,261 How you deal with fear and how you react to it, is I think, perhaps where 595 00:48:46,344 --> 00:48:48,638 people in the adventure game who do high-risk stuff- 596 00:48:48,721 --> 00:48:51,349 I think in some ways we're a lot better at dealing with it. We know, 597 00:48:51,433 --> 00:48:55,770 you isolate the real stuff from the imagined stuff and you compartmentalize it, 598 00:48:55,854 --> 00:49:02,068 and you process it rather than running away from it or living in constant fear. 599 00:49:02,152 --> 00:49:05,905 There are some physical, and some psychological tools that you can use 600 00:49:05,989 --> 00:49:08,074 to process it, and push it to one side. 601 00:49:11,828 --> 00:49:16,207 Just having that, like, anxiety over trying to beat one's fear and conquer it, 602 00:49:16,291 --> 00:49:19,919 like, that's just not the solution because it's not gonna go away. We're all humans. 603 00:49:20,044 --> 00:49:21,629 We're all afraid. 604 00:49:21,713 --> 00:49:26,259 We need to stop being afraid of being afraid and just learn how to work with it. 605 00:49:30,054 --> 00:49:32,348 [Tommy] I think I am the most scared when I'm not on the climb, 606 00:49:32,432 --> 00:49:35,560 when I'm thinking about it before, or after. 607 00:49:37,103 --> 00:49:42,317 Usually, on the climb I'm so engaged in the moment that I don't experience a lot of fear. 608 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,320 I don't think, but that's kind of scary in itself. 609 00:49:45,403 --> 00:49:48,364 Like sometimes, I go and do these risky climbs and then I get home 610 00:49:48,448 --> 00:49:53,119 and I'm with my children and I'm thinking to myself that maybe I pushed it too far. 611 00:49:53,203 --> 00:49:56,539 All that we get-- the more experience we have, 612 00:49:56,623 --> 00:50:00,210 the fear is coming in us, especially, before we start. 613 00:50:00,293 --> 00:50:02,670 Normally, the fear is the fear of the fear. 614 00:50:04,714 --> 00:50:10,595 Only if I am able in advance of an expedition. advance of an activity, 615 00:50:10,678 --> 00:50:19,312 to go in balance, or to put in balance, fear and of course I can stop. 616 00:50:20,021 --> 00:50:24,275 And the fear is telling me, "You are going above your abilities." 617 00:50:24,359 --> 00:50:28,821 So, I have to train better, I have to study better, I have to prepare myself better 618 00:50:28,905 --> 00:50:31,741 for the adventure it is-- which is in my mind. 619 00:50:34,452 --> 00:50:41,000 [Jimmy] Probably the thing that scares me more than anything is not having meaning in life, or 620 00:50:41,125 --> 00:50:45,838 not having purpose, not having something to be passionate about. 621 00:50:50,468 --> 00:50:54,055 [Hilaree] Without that suffering and that hardship, 622 00:50:54,722 --> 00:51:00,478 I don't think you get the great joy of passion up here. So, 623 00:51:02,146 --> 00:51:06,693 you have to experience both, otherwise, you're just living kind of in this flat line. 624 00:51:09,654 --> 00:51:13,658 [Leo] I think part of this game is about setting challenges for yourself, and- 625 00:51:13,741 --> 00:51:15,076 and trying to achieve them. 626 00:51:15,743 --> 00:51:21,040 And if you achieve them easily, even if it's a very difficult objective 627 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,627 that's not-- it's not that rewarding. 628 00:51:24,711 --> 00:51:29,924 We did a first ascent on a cliff called El Capitan in Yosemite, and 629 00:51:30,008 --> 00:51:33,469 I did a new route called the Prophet, which took a long time. 630 00:51:33,553 --> 00:51:38,808 I first tried it in 2001, and didn't finish it until 2010. 631 00:51:38,891 --> 00:51:43,896 We faced such incredible obstacles to overcome it, not least of all, a massive storm. 632 00:51:43,980 --> 00:51:48,401 You know we were in a waterfall for nearly three days hanging in a, 633 00:51:48,484 --> 00:51:50,486 you know, hanging camp in a portaledge on this 634 00:51:50,570 --> 00:51:54,824 on this giant wall. We're really wet, electrical storms. 635 00:51:54,907 --> 00:51:59,621 For the first two days of the storm, we were still kind of hanging on to the hope 636 00:52:00,288 --> 00:52:03,333 of success of actually getting to the top of our climb, 637 00:52:03,416 --> 00:52:06,878 but then for the last day and a half of the storm 638 00:52:06,961 --> 00:52:09,213 success was out the window, and it was survival. 639 00:52:09,297 --> 00:52:14,260 We weren't even hoping to do the climb anymore. We were just hoping not to die. 640 00:52:15,845 --> 00:52:20,516 And then the storm finally finished, and the sun came out and I managed to do it. 641 00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:25,271 I managed to find the energy and the strength within to-- to pull out 642 00:52:25,355 --> 00:52:27,982 probably the single hardest piece of climbing I've ever done, 643 00:52:28,066 --> 00:52:32,236 in the most suboptimal, physical condition I could imagine. 644 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,113 [man] Here he is, victorious. 645 00:52:34,197 --> 00:52:35,114 Yeah. 646 00:52:35,198 --> 00:52:39,327 The harder you try, the more you struggle, the more you suffer, the more you value it. 647 00:52:42,538 --> 00:52:49,253 [Adam] I might be naive that climbers willing to spend that much time outside 648 00:52:49,337 --> 00:52:54,926 doing maybe a bit pointless activity is just climbing up the wall, or piece of rock 649 00:52:55,009 --> 00:52:57,387 are just a little different, yeah. 650 00:52:59,097 --> 00:53:02,642 [Tommy] I do see the life of a full-time climber as 651 00:53:02,725 --> 00:53:06,562 pretty self-serving and I struggle with that. 652 00:53:06,646 --> 00:53:12,777 Like I'm out trying to experiencing things for my own benefit a lot of the time, 653 00:53:12,860 --> 00:53:15,154 and I hope to change that life, 654 00:53:15,238 --> 00:53:17,740 but sometimes I wonder if I should have changed it years ago. 655 00:53:20,243 --> 00:53:24,288 [Lynn] I think you just have to make those decisions about what kind of person you want to be 656 00:53:24,372 --> 00:53:29,752 in the world, and if you're somebody like Tommy, he's inspiring people, I think. 657 00:53:29,836 --> 00:53:33,548 It really is a very personal experience when you're climbing even if you have a partner, 658 00:53:33,631 --> 00:53:36,384 when you're actually climbing, it's you and the rock. 659 00:53:36,467 --> 00:53:41,472 But that doesn't mean you have to be a self-serving person in every aspect of your life. 660 00:53:41,556 --> 00:53:43,307 That's more a question of balance. 661 00:53:48,980 --> 00:53:54,110 [Leo] There's no question that finding balance between, you know, 662 00:53:54,193 --> 00:53:57,071 a healthy normal-ish lifestyle 663 00:53:57,155 --> 00:54:00,074 and performing at a top level is a difficult thing to do. 664 00:54:00,158 --> 00:54:04,328 I mean in more mainstream sports, for example, Olympic athletes, 665 00:54:04,412 --> 00:54:08,124 the most self-obsessed people you'll ever meet. You know, they have to be. 666 00:54:13,671 --> 00:54:16,090 In adventure sport, in risk sport, 667 00:54:16,758 --> 00:54:22,430 you know, some ways it's even worse because you know most Olympians don't die performing, 668 00:54:22,513 --> 00:54:25,808 whereas, in this game, people do and they do frequently. 669 00:54:25,892 --> 00:54:27,602 Watch as the pigeon goes... 670 00:54:28,603 --> 00:54:32,607 [Conrad] Why do we climb? People are always asking me this question. 671 00:54:32,690 --> 00:54:35,526 Why do you go do this? Why do you put yourself in risk 672 00:54:35,610 --> 00:54:38,946 and the potential of pain for your loved ones? 673 00:54:40,156 --> 00:54:45,620 And it's a form of self-actualization and you can find that in writing poetry, 674 00:54:45,703 --> 00:54:49,999 creating symphonies, being an artist, being great in business, 675 00:54:50,082 --> 00:54:53,920 all these different ways that when you can really focus 676 00:54:54,003 --> 00:54:58,966 your abilities and get into that flow state and do something exceptional. 677 00:54:59,634 --> 00:55:03,971 And I'm fortunate that I found out that climbing was that moment for me, 678 00:55:04,055 --> 00:55:08,643 and that was my drive, and that was my motivation, and, 679 00:55:08,726 --> 00:55:10,895 yeah, obviously, it's not for everyone, but 680 00:55:11,979 --> 00:55:14,357 licorice, the candy, isn't for everyone either. 681 00:55:18,027 --> 00:55:21,864 [Jimmy] And I think that that's probably the challenge everybody faces 682 00:55:21,948 --> 00:55:28,913 whether they're a professional athlete, or extreme athlete, or you know, hedge fund manager, 683 00:55:28,996 --> 00:55:32,625 or doctor, a lawyer, there's always kind of the difficulty 684 00:55:32,708 --> 00:55:35,670 of balancing ambition with the rest of your life. 685 00:55:37,463 --> 00:55:39,298 [Tommy] I think that the real reason we climb 686 00:55:39,382 --> 00:55:42,677 is because it gives us this intimate connection 687 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,180 with nature, with our climbing partners, with each other. 688 00:55:46,264 --> 00:55:51,644 I've gone on trips with Chris Sharma, and Alex Honnold, and I-- you know, 689 00:55:51,727 --> 00:55:53,896 I see these people inspire me, 690 00:55:53,980 --> 00:55:57,817 and then I just call them and ask them if they'll go on a trip with me. 691 00:55:57,900 --> 00:56:02,029 And then, I get to know them, intimately, and they become really good friends. 692 00:56:02,113 --> 00:56:04,323 And that's a really great thing about climbing. 693 00:56:05,575 --> 00:56:07,952 We're humans, we're built to connect. 694 00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:13,541 Intense experiences build that connection more than anything else. 695 00:56:17,879 --> 00:56:20,840 [Erik] We didn't-- we couldn't even get the Sherpas to join our team at first 696 00:56:20,923 --> 00:56:24,093 because they thought that blindness was unlucky 697 00:56:24,176 --> 00:56:28,472 in Nepal. And-- and then this one Sherpa Ang Pasang had climbed Everest twice 698 00:56:28,556 --> 00:56:32,476 and he said, "No, I think you make, you know, your own karma and- 699 00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,812 and you make your own luck." And so, he joined our team. 700 00:56:36,981 --> 00:56:38,941 And on the South Summit I was 701 00:56:39,025 --> 00:56:42,361 changing my oxygen bottle and I said, "Do you think I have enough 702 00:56:42,445 --> 00:56:47,283 oxygen to get to the summit and get back again to the South Summit?" He's like, "Yeah." 703 00:56:47,366 --> 00:56:50,745 And I'm like, "Okay, you're a hundred percent? You're sure?" You think that, you know, 704 00:56:50,828 --> 00:56:54,373 you can see the gauge and I have enough to get to the summit and get back down to this point 705 00:56:54,457 --> 00:56:56,918 because you know after the South Summit, 706 00:56:57,001 --> 00:56:59,587 you go across the knife-edge, and up the Hillary step, and across. 707 00:56:59,670 --> 00:57:01,672 You're kind of out there. You're kind of vulnerable. 708 00:57:01,756 --> 00:57:03,841 And he's like, "Yes, it's good." 709 00:57:03,925 --> 00:57:08,012 And so, yeah, we climbed across together and he was right behind me. 710 00:57:12,516 --> 00:57:17,146 And I thought, you know, like this is a guy with like a family, and if I had died, 711 00:57:17,229 --> 00:57:19,690 you know, if I had like fallen down 712 00:57:19,774 --> 00:57:23,819 and couldn't get up again that guy has linked his fate to me. 713 00:57:23,903 --> 00:57:27,073 Like he's gonna die with me and he's accepted that. 714 00:57:27,782 --> 00:57:32,203 Whenever I think about that I always get choked up because I I- 715 00:57:32,286 --> 00:57:36,499 I think that's like the greatest honor of my life that people have done that for me. 716 00:57:41,212 --> 00:57:43,381 [Pemba] Danger is not mountain. 717 00:57:44,090 --> 00:57:45,800 The danger is ourselves. 718 00:57:45,883 --> 00:57:49,887 The last survivor of an ill-fated expedition to the top of K2 719 00:57:49,971 --> 00:57:51,847 was airlifted to safety today. 720 00:57:51,931 --> 00:57:56,268 Eleven other climbers died trying to conquer the world's second highest peak. 721 00:57:58,229 --> 00:58:01,816 [Pemba] When I was in mount K2 in 2008 722 00:58:02,733 --> 00:58:06,696 and some people they are two hundred percent 723 00:58:06,779 --> 00:58:08,739 interest to climb K2, 724 00:58:10,241 --> 00:58:16,330 they don't want to quit the expeditions, or they don't want to stop the climbing, 725 00:58:18,249 --> 00:58:22,837 and they want to take any kind of risk to get on the top, 726 00:58:23,587 --> 00:58:26,382 and they're always thinking summit, summit, summit. 727 00:58:28,801 --> 00:58:33,347 Many people on the top, 6:30 p.m. in evening. 728 00:58:33,431 --> 00:58:40,354 Some climbing without oxygen, they are almost finished, you know, too much exhausted 729 00:58:40,438 --> 00:58:43,482 and many who climb with supplementary oxygen, 730 00:58:43,607 --> 00:58:49,238 the oxygen was run out, those guys they are in really bad situations. 731 00:58:50,865 --> 00:58:56,328 I found almost fifty percent of people they cannot get down safely. 732 00:58:57,371 --> 00:59:01,959 They get very weak, mentally and physically. 733 00:59:02,918 --> 00:59:06,589 They become mad-- madness. 734 00:59:07,882 --> 00:59:13,220 Eleven people they stay on the mountain, they never came back. 735 00:59:13,304 --> 00:59:15,890 After summit, they never came back home. 736 00:59:19,185 --> 00:59:23,022 Some fell down, some swept down by avalanche, 737 00:59:23,105 --> 00:59:28,444 some people just they sit down, and they say, "I want to sit down here." 738 00:59:29,862 --> 00:59:34,366 Next day after the summit, I climb again from high camp 739 00:59:34,450 --> 00:59:39,455 on that mountain because still some people they are alive on the mountain, 740 00:59:39,538 --> 00:59:43,209 but they cannot come down themselves, they need your help. 741 00:59:43,292 --> 00:59:48,255 If I can save one human life also, really, really, important 742 00:59:48,339 --> 00:59:51,467 for family and for the community. 743 00:59:51,550 --> 00:59:56,222 Radio handover for the wilco and he want to talk with... 744 00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:03,395 Finally, I able to bring some people down and that makes a little bit happy for me, 745 01:00:03,479 --> 01:00:09,527 you know, after that big tragedy and sadness. 746 01:00:11,070 --> 01:00:15,950 For a human, probably for other creatures, it's like-- it's like an injury. 747 01:00:16,742 --> 01:00:22,748 This thing happens and you're really, really damaged and really hurt. 748 01:00:22,832 --> 01:00:27,211 When Mario, my husband died that was an experience 749 01:00:27,294 --> 01:00:32,466 that really made me get a better look at my thoughts. 750 01:00:36,095 --> 01:00:40,599 For me it was more a question of do I keep living or not 751 01:00:40,724 --> 01:00:44,186 because I was in so much-so much pain. 752 01:00:44,270 --> 01:00:47,815 Being with someone and then, them being gone. 753 01:00:47,898 --> 01:00:50,234 That's a really powerful experience 754 01:00:51,944 --> 01:00:56,657 and it does cause me to literally live every day as though it's my last. 755 01:01:01,328 --> 01:01:05,291 And it's not just because I B.A.S.E. jump, and climb, it's because 756 01:01:05,374 --> 01:01:10,588 I know that living creatures die and we don't know when that happens, ever. 757 01:01:13,090 --> 01:01:16,635 He changed me a lot, in all good ways 758 01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:23,142 and I was just so lucky to get to be with him for as long as I was. 759 01:01:23,225 --> 01:01:27,354 He is part of my every day and that's really wonderful. 760 01:01:27,438 --> 01:01:30,149 Like I'm-- I'm actually really thankful for that. 761 01:01:31,567 --> 01:01:36,655 I have lost a surprising number of friends along the way and mostly in accidents. 762 01:01:36,739 --> 01:01:37,740 And, 763 01:01:39,241 --> 01:01:41,994 you know, there's such a small difference between 764 01:01:42,077 --> 01:01:45,789 a non-event and a life-changing or fatal one. 765 01:01:45,873 --> 01:01:51,670 Small decisions have massive consequences and that's true of everyday life, 766 01:01:51,754 --> 01:01:57,051 but it's much clearer in the adventure realm when, you know, all day, every day, 767 01:01:57,134 --> 01:02:02,097 you have to make decisions and there are no right answers, but there are wrong answers. 768 01:02:02,181 --> 01:02:04,934 You know there isn't like a prize if you get it right and- 769 01:02:05,017 --> 01:02:06,852 but there are forfeits if you get it wrong. 770 01:02:08,896 --> 01:02:11,815 One of my best friends died in a-- in a wingsuit flying accident, 771 01:02:11,899 --> 01:02:13,359 in a B.A.S.E. jumping accident. 772 01:02:15,027 --> 01:02:19,198 You know this was the guy who most of the hardcore adventures I've done, 773 01:02:19,281 --> 01:02:22,701 certainly in the last eight years, were with him-- with Stanley. 774 01:02:32,336 --> 01:02:34,630 He was just about to become a dad for the first time. 775 01:02:34,713 --> 01:02:36,298 I'd just become a dad for the first time. 776 01:02:36,382 --> 01:02:41,971 We were all on the parallel trajectories and-- and he screwed it up really badly. 777 01:02:42,054 --> 01:02:47,017 And to see the mess that leaves behind, certainly, I didn't think about that before. 778 01:02:47,101 --> 01:02:49,603 You don't really think about anybody else. 779 01:02:49,687 --> 01:02:54,566 You certainly don't think about parents and lovers, or partners. 780 01:02:54,650 --> 01:02:56,360 You just think about yourself basically. 781 01:02:59,655 --> 01:03:03,701 I had a very near miss myself, where I came as close to dying as I ever have done 782 01:03:03,784 --> 01:03:05,869 and it was in the most mundane fashion. 783 01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:12,001 A last-minute change in my travel itinerary meant that I didn't take a flight 784 01:03:12,084 --> 01:03:15,170 and, you know, it was literally one click of a mouse. 785 01:03:15,254 --> 01:03:17,506 I could have said yes instead I said no. 786 01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:25,055 One week later that plane was shot down by Russian separatists over Ukraine. 787 01:03:25,139 --> 01:03:28,309 It was the Kuala Lumpur-Amsterdam flight. 788 01:03:28,392 --> 01:03:30,227 The MH17, Malaysian Airways. 789 01:03:30,311 --> 01:03:34,773 Two hundred and eighty-eight people died and I literally had a seat on that plane, 790 01:03:34,857 --> 01:03:38,319 and one click of the mouse was all that stopped me from-- from taking it. 791 01:03:38,402 --> 01:03:41,989 You know, this was three months after my friend died doing something extremely dangerous. 792 01:03:42,072 --> 01:03:45,117 I still had a little baby girl who wasn't even one yet. 793 01:03:45,993 --> 01:03:51,540 And-- and that shook me almost as hard as-- as my-- as my friend's death, 794 01:03:52,249 --> 01:03:55,669 but in a more positive way, you know, you can't hide from risk. 795 01:03:55,753 --> 01:03:58,422 It's inherent in life that we are all gonna die. 796 01:03:58,505 --> 01:04:01,008 You know, you shouldn't-- you shouldn't be afraid of life. 797 01:04:01,091 --> 01:04:02,968 You shouldn't live in fear 798 01:04:03,052 --> 01:04:05,804 because before you know it, you'll be old and you'll die anyway, 799 01:04:05,888 --> 01:04:10,267 but it's definitely good to try and be old before you die. 800 01:04:12,811 --> 01:04:15,564 [Steph] And so, in some ways I almost feel weird 801 01:04:15,647 --> 01:04:19,360 because I think most people don't live without awareness 802 01:04:19,443 --> 01:04:23,572 and I think a lot of people think it's because I do high-risk activities, 803 01:04:24,281 --> 01:04:28,911 but that's not why. It's just because I lived through that moment 804 01:04:28,994 --> 01:04:32,498 where I was standing next to Mario and then I never saw him again. 805 01:04:35,584 --> 01:04:39,922 When you have those moments in life, you realize how precious life is. 806 01:04:40,005 --> 01:04:42,508 You don't take it for granted. You want to make the most. 807 01:04:42,591 --> 01:04:47,304 You want to live in the moment every day and you want to treat every moment with 808 01:04:48,847 --> 01:04:50,682 meaning and purpose. 809 01:04:52,643 --> 01:05:00,734 In the 90s my main climbing partner was Alex Lowe and starting in '93 through '99 810 01:05:00,818 --> 01:05:03,612 we did a whole bunch of expeditions together and 811 01:05:03,695 --> 01:05:06,365 we're very well suited to each other. 812 01:05:07,116 --> 01:05:11,495 Similar motivation, similar, "Let's drink coffee and go climbing now." 813 01:05:11,578 --> 01:05:18,210 So, we did a variety of expeditions and we were together on an expedition 814 01:05:18,293 --> 01:05:23,090 in October of 1999 to Tibet, Shishapangma. 815 01:05:28,679 --> 01:05:34,017 And an ice avalanche came and took the lives of David Bridges 816 01:05:34,101 --> 01:05:36,478 who was with us on the trip and uh, Alex. 817 01:05:37,980 --> 01:05:41,525 And my world changed at that moment. It was just 818 01:05:42,818 --> 01:05:50,159 in a flash this avalanche came down and took their two lives and by some miracle I survived. 819 01:05:50,242 --> 01:05:56,081 I didn't know why. I will never know why, it's not me to question and ask that. 820 01:05:57,249 --> 01:05:59,126 It's not fate. It just was. 821 01:06:01,503 --> 01:06:06,175 [David] Conrad and I, we first met in 2015 822 01:06:06,258 --> 01:06:11,638 and we figured that we would be quite a good team together 823 01:06:13,140 --> 01:06:18,562 and wanted to go to the Himalayas, so we did that in fall 2015 824 01:06:18,645 --> 01:06:25,235 and we decided to go to a mountain that I had heard of from a friend of mine. 825 01:06:27,696 --> 01:06:33,494 We basically went there the first year and the conditions weren't perfect 826 01:06:33,577 --> 01:06:39,917 and in the end we-- we had to turn around only four hundred meters short of the summit. 827 01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:48,342 In 2016 when we came back we had a better understanding of the mountain, 828 01:06:48,425 --> 01:06:53,305 knew what we were getting ourselves into, knew most of the route already, 829 01:06:53,388 --> 01:06:59,394 and we felt that our chances to climb to the summit were pretty good. 830 01:06:59,478 --> 01:07:02,898 We acclimatized well and the conditions were good on the mountain 831 01:07:02,981 --> 01:07:04,983 and the weather looked promising. 832 01:07:05,067 --> 01:07:11,657 So, we decided we would start climbing and after five hundred meters of climbing, 833 01:07:11,740 --> 01:07:16,995 Conrad felt pain in his-- in his chest and he didn't really know what was going on. 834 01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,499 He-- he said he had some pain in his lungs, or in his heart 835 01:07:20,582 --> 01:07:25,087 and I immediately said that we gotta go down 836 01:07:25,170 --> 01:07:28,465 because if there is some problem with his heart, then- 837 01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:32,803 well, you can't do anything up on the mountain. So, we repelled down 838 01:07:32,886 --> 01:07:37,516 and at advanced base camp he didn't get any better and 839 01:07:38,183 --> 01:07:40,394 I immediately called the helicopter. 840 01:07:44,106 --> 01:07:48,527 And they took him to Kathmandu to the hospital and had some surgery done. 841 01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:54,866 I guess this happens to you once in-- in a life maybe 842 01:07:56,285 --> 01:07:59,955 that someone suffers a heart attack at almost six thousand meters. 843 01:08:04,293 --> 01:08:08,171 When it comes to suffering, you-- you learn where your limits are 844 01:08:10,591 --> 01:08:12,676 and I guess that's important for a mountaineer. 845 01:08:13,594 --> 01:08:20,934 If you would have asked me, ten-twelve years ago, if I was gonna climb mountains 846 01:08:21,018 --> 01:08:25,022 like this one right now, I would have said no. 847 01:08:25,105 --> 01:08:29,860 Life often, well, makes turns that you don't expect. 848 01:08:31,361 --> 01:08:32,988 When I was twenty-one years old, 849 01:08:33,071 --> 01:08:35,907 I went on my first big international climbing expedition 850 01:08:36,867 --> 01:08:43,457 to Kyrgyzstan and we got kidnapped by a group of rebels from the Islamic movement 851 01:08:43,540 --> 01:08:47,085 of Uzbekistan and held captive for six days in the high mountains. 852 01:08:47,210 --> 01:08:51,465 You know we were in a full-on war scene seeing people get shot right in front of us and- 853 01:08:51,548 --> 01:08:59,139 and having to run from the Kyrgyz military under gunpoint for six days. 854 01:09:02,267 --> 01:09:03,977 It was-- it was a different kind of fear. 855 01:09:04,061 --> 01:09:08,774 I was used to dealing with bad weather, and the fear of, 856 01:09:09,566 --> 01:09:11,360 you know, fear of heights and things like that. 857 01:09:11,443 --> 01:09:15,113 All of a sudden, we knew that our lives were not up to us anymore, 858 01:09:15,238 --> 01:09:17,240 like, somebody could take our lives at a moment's notice. 859 01:09:17,324 --> 01:09:20,661 We didn't have any food and very little water for six days. 860 01:09:20,744 --> 01:09:23,038 And we were in the high mountains without much clothing either. 861 01:09:23,121 --> 01:09:25,916 So, like, teeth chattering, shivering. 862 01:09:25,999 --> 01:09:32,339 We got into a place high on a mountain where we were left with just one remaining captor 863 01:09:32,422 --> 01:09:35,008 and it became really obvious that this was the-- this was the way to go. 864 01:09:38,095 --> 01:09:42,516 I'm kinda pushing him off a cliff and we ran for, I think, eight miles 865 01:09:42,599 --> 01:09:46,353 down to the nearest military outpost and that's how we ended up escaping. 866 01:09:46,436 --> 01:09:50,107 I felt this flood of energy at some point. 867 01:09:50,190 --> 01:09:55,028 And you know, in the most stressful, uncomfortable situation imaginable, 868 01:09:55,112 --> 01:09:58,281 all of a sudden I felt coming-- it felt like I came to life 869 01:09:58,365 --> 01:10:02,661 and I think that ever since then I've been curious about, like, about 870 01:10:02,744 --> 01:10:06,123 just the human's capacity to survive in those kind of situations 871 01:10:06,206 --> 01:10:09,543 and it's made me wonder about the limits of human endurance 872 01:10:09,626 --> 01:10:13,839 and so a lot of my climbing is sort of an effort to explore that. 873 01:10:16,758 --> 01:10:20,429 [Xavier] I think my biggest close call was this avalanche in 2008. 874 01:10:21,096 --> 01:10:26,184 Like always, things can change quite quickly and that's what happened to me 875 01:10:26,268 --> 01:10:29,855 and I went down in an avalanche for two and a half kilometers. 876 01:10:29,938 --> 01:10:37,112 And yeah, basically, it's a huge miracle that I made it and that I survived that. 877 01:10:38,905 --> 01:10:42,492 And, yeah, it's normally an avalanche where you get crunched, 878 01:10:42,576 --> 01:10:47,205 crushed by the all the weight of the snow and that-- yeah, even if they find you at the bottom, 879 01:10:47,289 --> 01:10:50,375 you're normally-- normally dead. 880 01:10:53,587 --> 01:10:56,798 I was in the hospital room, and I was like telling myself, 881 01:10:56,882 --> 01:10:59,342 "Oh, never again. That's it. I'm done. 882 01:11:00,594 --> 01:11:02,137 Stop playing." 883 01:11:02,220 --> 01:11:07,017 But then, I remember clearly looking out the window 884 01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:08,894 and looking all those mountains and-- 885 01:11:08,977 --> 01:11:14,357 and I couldn't help myself but just reading lines everywhere. 886 01:11:14,441 --> 01:11:16,485 Without the lows, you don't have the highs 887 01:11:16,568 --> 01:11:20,906 and you are where you are, and you are who you are because of 888 01:11:21,573 --> 01:11:25,452 the acts, decisions, and processes that happened to you to get to this stage. 889 01:11:26,703 --> 01:11:30,123 I don't think that life is mapped out for you. 890 01:11:30,207 --> 01:11:33,043 I think being a fatalist is-- it makes you lazy. 891 01:11:33,126 --> 01:11:38,048 You've got to get off your ass and make things happen. Nothing comes to you in life for free. 892 01:11:38,131 --> 01:11:39,591 You have to-- you have to chase it. 893 01:11:42,135 --> 01:11:45,222 [Lynn] I think that we have to make good choices every day. 894 01:11:45,305 --> 01:11:48,350 We have to reaffirm and question things. 895 01:11:49,059 --> 01:11:53,021 Mostly questioning ourselves, whether you believe in fate, or not. 896 01:11:53,104 --> 01:11:54,898 This was what I told myself. 897 01:11:54,981 --> 01:11:57,609 This is my journey. This is my destiny. 898 01:11:57,692 --> 01:12:00,654 I need to do this because I can, I'm in this position. 899 01:12:00,737 --> 01:12:03,281 That gave me energy beyond myself. 900 01:12:03,365 --> 01:12:05,200 It was a bigger thing than just me. 901 01:12:41,194 --> 01:12:45,907 [Maureen] As I get older, it's easier to care less about what people think of you, 902 01:12:45,991 --> 01:12:49,327 and climbing is a hard sport like that because there are grades. 903 01:12:49,411 --> 01:12:53,415 You get graded and there's benchmarks and difficulties and it's- 904 01:12:53,498 --> 01:12:57,127 so it's hard to not think, "Oh, I'm a worse climber than that person is 905 01:12:57,210 --> 01:12:59,337 because they climb harder." 906 01:12:59,421 --> 01:13:03,174 Um... And as I got older, it's easier to say, 907 01:13:04,259 --> 01:13:07,178 "I don't care anymore, I just want to climb. And 908 01:13:07,262 --> 01:13:10,599 I don't care if my partner climbs harder or worse than me. 909 01:13:10,682 --> 01:13:11,975 We're all climbing." 910 01:13:14,227 --> 01:13:15,729 [Steph] Even as a mountaineer, 911 01:13:16,855 --> 01:13:21,735 and you think, "Okay. Well, we're being told that to be the best you have to do 912 01:13:22,652 --> 01:13:27,949 the newest mountain, or I did it the fastest of this group." And 913 01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:30,869 does that mean that you're the best? 914 01:13:31,578 --> 01:13:37,167 I'm kind of having to really re-examine these deeply held assumptions 915 01:13:37,250 --> 01:13:42,422 that you get as a climber that you don't really question in the beginning. 916 01:13:43,506 --> 01:13:46,301 You know we've been talking about wingsuit B.A.S.E. jumping 917 01:13:46,384 --> 01:13:48,762 and in the last five years, 918 01:13:48,845 --> 01:13:52,891 as the sport is kind of finding its legs, and trying to figure out what it is, 919 01:13:52,974 --> 01:13:57,020 and what it means to be good at it because it's so new. 920 01:13:58,480 --> 01:14:03,234 I was just watching the jumpers go down this-- to me kind of dead-end road 921 01:14:03,318 --> 01:14:06,696 of doing stuff that's more and more and more dangerous, 922 01:14:06,780 --> 01:14:08,323 and that means you're the best one. 923 01:14:09,157 --> 01:14:12,327 And I just looked at that and said, "That's so unsustainable. 924 01:14:12,410 --> 01:14:18,375 That's-- that's not progression when the next step is dying for-- for the people 925 01:14:18,458 --> 01:14:21,252 that are trying to make their mark and say that they are the best one 926 01:14:21,336 --> 01:14:23,838 because they did the most dangerous thing. And 927 01:14:23,922 --> 01:14:27,384 you know that ends when you hit the ground. That's-- that's not limitless. 928 01:14:27,467 --> 01:14:29,761 That has a very powerful limit. 929 01:14:29,844 --> 01:14:30,762 And so 930 01:14:32,055 --> 01:14:35,392 I started to think that's just this paradigm 931 01:14:36,518 --> 01:14:41,356 that these guys are making and I don't-- I reject that paradigm. 932 01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:44,609 I see it as the opposite of what they're seeing it as. 933 01:14:44,693 --> 01:14:46,778 My paradigm is sustainability 934 01:14:47,445 --> 01:14:52,701 and longevity and that causes me to jump very differently. 935 01:14:52,784 --> 01:14:56,663 Lynn Hill kind of set the bar really high at the very beginning. 936 01:14:56,746 --> 01:15:01,459 And so, women have had-- we've had a lot of mentors, and a lot of, like, 937 01:15:01,584 --> 01:15:06,256 really strong female presence in climbing and I think that that's kind of insulated us 938 01:15:06,339 --> 01:15:09,259 a little bit from that kind of macho 939 01:15:10,719 --> 01:15:13,304 vibe that you get in a lot of outdoor sports. 940 01:15:15,849 --> 01:15:20,270 [Maureen] She was one of the very first females that were climbing on par with the men. 941 01:15:21,062 --> 01:15:24,024 You know, and she freed the nose. That was the ultimate-- just like, 942 01:15:24,107 --> 01:15:26,401 "Just because you think I can't, I'm gonna do this." 943 01:15:26,484 --> 01:15:29,571 And I think that's the attitude I hope to-I hope to have. 944 01:15:31,031 --> 01:15:35,118 [Lynn] I grew up in the 60s and I believed that girls were equal to boys. 945 01:15:35,201 --> 01:15:38,580 I wanted to convey the equality that I felt. 946 01:15:38,663 --> 01:15:41,541 Why be limited by what other people think? 947 01:15:43,668 --> 01:15:49,591 I knew that people just didn't understand how much further we could go in climbing 948 01:15:49,674 --> 01:15:52,343 and I figured, "Well, I am here now. I see this now. 949 01:15:52,427 --> 01:15:55,388 I better do this now because this will wake people up 950 01:15:55,472 --> 01:15:59,976 and show them that it is just a matter of what you think." 951 01:16:00,060 --> 01:16:03,438 And you know, of course, you do have to have the preparation and-- and I did, 952 01:16:03,521 --> 01:16:06,566 and I did what was necessary to get that job done. 953 01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:12,864 My main motivation was that I thought I could do it. 954 01:16:12,947 --> 01:16:19,162 And I wanted to prove that even though there weren't that many women that did first ascents 955 01:16:19,245 --> 01:16:26,169 in Yosemite, there was no reason why I couldn't make that move and do something before the men. 956 01:16:26,252 --> 01:16:29,047 Nowadays, you see so many women that are really, 957 01:16:29,130 --> 01:16:31,800 really, strong, graceful, brilliant climbers. 958 01:16:31,883 --> 01:16:34,260 And that's what I wanted to encourage really- 959 01:16:34,344 --> 01:16:38,389 is that we have all of what you need to be great climbers 960 01:16:38,473 --> 01:16:41,726 and everybody has their own style and there's room for that. 961 01:16:41,810 --> 01:16:43,895 So there's always going to be a difference 962 01:16:43,978 --> 01:16:47,190 in your physical stature and what's going to work for you better, 963 01:16:47,273 --> 01:16:49,567 but the rock doesn't discriminate, you see. 964 01:16:49,692 --> 01:16:54,030 The rock is what it is and it's up to you to adapt yourself to the rock. 965 01:16:55,365 --> 01:17:02,247 [Adam] Some professional climbers when they know that they can't climb on their limit, 966 01:17:03,414 --> 01:17:08,253 or as hard as they were climbing before, they would just quit climbing. 967 01:17:09,045 --> 01:17:13,091 I know that that-- that moment, eventually, will come, 968 01:17:14,050 --> 01:17:16,427 but I'm not afraid about that. 969 01:17:16,511 --> 01:17:21,683 I am pretty sure that climbing will still give me the same satisfaction. 970 01:17:23,017 --> 01:17:28,606 I-- I see myself still climbing forever, but I mean, it's definitely a question mark, 971 01:17:28,731 --> 01:17:31,776 how hard you'll be able to push yourself as you get older. 972 01:17:33,778 --> 01:17:37,240 I would say like, mentally, I'm stronger than I ever have been 973 01:17:37,323 --> 01:17:39,909 and on good days, like, my body's super strong, 974 01:17:39,993 --> 01:17:43,371 but sometimes, you know, you'll get like this crazy pain in your knee and 975 01:17:43,454 --> 01:17:47,000 you're like, "Oh, my God! I can't run today. What the heck?" 976 01:17:47,083 --> 01:17:51,337 You know, it's a question mark of how long you can sustain this and, 977 01:17:51,421 --> 01:17:53,590 you know, not because of blindness, but because, you know, 978 01:17:53,673 --> 01:17:56,384 your body's starting to become a bit of a liability. 979 01:18:00,513 --> 01:18:03,808 [Conrad] We live a very oversubscribed, busy, hectic life 980 01:18:03,892 --> 01:18:05,643 with seven point four billion people 981 01:18:05,768 --> 01:18:09,606 streaming around this planet all wanting to do something unique. 982 01:18:09,689 --> 01:18:14,986 To escape the pressures of society, I get outdoors, I am happy with who I am 983 01:18:15,069 --> 01:18:18,907 and what I've climbed and being able to inspire other people 984 01:18:18,990 --> 01:18:24,454 to discover the mountains and look into their own soul and see what they're- 985 01:18:24,537 --> 01:18:26,456 what-- what life is about. 986 01:18:26,539 --> 01:18:33,046 If they can be inspired by what myself and other climbers have done that's a pretty good thing. 987 01:18:40,929 --> 01:18:45,683 [Jimmy] Doing what I do has given me a particular relationship with death 988 01:18:45,767 --> 01:18:47,644 in a way that's very healthy. 989 01:18:47,727 --> 01:18:53,233 I think that most people avoid looking at death, are afraid of death, 990 01:18:53,316 --> 01:18:58,488 and if you don't have a relationship with it, in a way for me it seems 991 01:18:58,571 --> 01:19:02,784 like it's hard to make decisions with what you do. 992 01:19:03,826 --> 01:19:08,081 But I also in a way, I feel like, if it's your time it's your time. 993 01:19:08,164 --> 01:19:10,959 If it's not your time, it's not your time. 994 01:19:12,460 --> 01:19:16,631 Getting older, it means to cope, means, getting older 995 01:19:16,714 --> 01:19:19,467 not-- not with death immed-immediately, 996 01:19:19,550 --> 01:19:21,970 but this defect to get older. 997 01:19:22,053 --> 01:19:25,890 And I had a few moments, only a few moments in my life, 998 01:19:25,974 --> 01:19:29,560 where I had really the feeling-- now it's gone. 999 01:19:29,644 --> 01:19:31,980 I'm gone. I will die. 1000 01:19:32,063 --> 01:19:36,025 And it was easy, before it was not more difficult. 1001 01:19:36,109 --> 01:19:40,697 If still there is a small hope little bit of hope to survive, 1002 01:19:40,780 --> 01:19:45,743 you do everything to survive and fear is behind, and aggression is coming up. 1003 01:19:45,868 --> 01:19:48,746 But if you feel, now, there's no more chance, 1004 01:19:48,871 --> 01:19:54,127 at least I had the feeling, I am able to let me fall and death. 1005 01:19:56,963 --> 01:19:58,673 It was a liberation, 1006 01:19:59,799 --> 01:20:02,552 but I was lucky, so I'm still here 1007 01:20:03,303 --> 01:20:08,516 and I am approaching death quite soon and I'm happy about it. 1008 01:20:08,599 --> 01:20:16,482 But I will be active, if it's possible with my health, up to the last moment. 1009 01:20:19,819 --> 01:20:22,322 [Maureen] You know Reinhold comes from that pure place. 1010 01:20:23,031 --> 01:20:26,159 I kind of wish I was around in 1011 01:20:26,242 --> 01:20:31,247 his generation where it was just quieter and you didn't have the Facebook, and the Instagram, 1012 01:20:31,331 --> 01:20:34,709 and you know, Reinhold didn't have sponsors at first. 1013 01:20:34,792 --> 01:20:36,919 He just got out there because he loved it and- 1014 01:20:37,003 --> 01:20:39,005 and those are the kind of people, they still exist. 1015 01:20:39,088 --> 01:20:42,216 And those are the people I usually enjoy climbing with the most or camping with the most. 1016 01:20:42,300 --> 01:20:45,261 The people that maybe they could be sponsored, maybe they could be the one 1017 01:20:45,345 --> 01:20:48,181 in front of the camera instead of me but they are just- 1018 01:20:48,264 --> 01:20:51,267 they're able to pursue it in such a pure way. 1019 01:20:52,268 --> 01:20:56,314 And maybe, if I didn't have as much of a message about, you know, people with disabilities, 1020 01:20:56,397 --> 01:20:59,776 I could be like that, too, but I guess, I'd like to get my message out there. 1021 01:21:01,110 --> 01:21:04,655 [Xavier] I am, I think like everybody else. 1022 01:21:04,739 --> 01:21:07,116 You know, I have a very hectic life. 1023 01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,078 I'm always hooked to my phone, on my computer, 1024 01:21:11,204 --> 01:21:13,539 there's always things to be doing because after all, you know, 1025 01:21:13,623 --> 01:21:17,168 you're sucked into it and you become this kind of ball of tension. 1026 01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:20,463 You just need to go out there to 1027 01:21:21,464 --> 01:21:25,218 put everything aside, and receive perspectives of life. 1028 01:21:28,137 --> 01:21:31,599 And I would really recommend people to try 1029 01:21:31,682 --> 01:21:36,813 to go out there and take the time to appreciate it and to get into it because, 1030 01:21:36,896 --> 01:21:40,858 yeah, nature is beautiful, and it can be the mountains, it can be the sea, 1031 01:21:40,942 --> 01:21:42,944 it can be the jungle, it can be anything. 1032 01:21:43,611 --> 01:21:48,574 I think it's worth to get out and feel that we're-- we're just animals, and, 1033 01:21:48,658 --> 01:21:52,870 yeah, this is our element, and it brings so much to us, it has such a life, 1034 01:21:52,995 --> 01:21:54,997 and so much energy to give us. 1035 01:21:56,791 --> 01:22:01,879 [Jimmy] I love powerful landscapes and I just think that that's part of 1036 01:22:01,963 --> 01:22:06,717 being alive and being human, being animals that like we are connected to this Earth, 1037 01:22:06,801 --> 01:22:11,013 and a lot of modern-day life you're not that connected to it. 1038 01:22:11,097 --> 01:22:13,391 You're very extracted from it. 1039 01:22:13,474 --> 01:22:18,438 I can have a lot going on in the rest of my life, but if I have a few hours 1040 01:22:18,521 --> 01:22:26,737 even, up on the trails here, or climbing, it's just something that, you know, 1041 01:22:26,821 --> 01:22:31,159 essentially, makes me feel good and kind of allows you to like take on 1042 01:22:31,242 --> 01:22:35,079 pretty much anything else that's happening in your life in a lot of ways. 1043 01:22:35,163 --> 01:22:41,794 I don't see a therapist, I basically go out, and it does everything that I need it to do. 1044 01:22:44,046 --> 01:22:48,259 Today's world of being a professional athlete is pretty interesting 1045 01:22:48,342 --> 01:22:53,389 in that we are asked to be these kind of self-promoters 1046 01:22:53,473 --> 01:22:56,225 and have our smartphones with us all the time and be 1047 01:22:56,309 --> 01:23:01,189 sort of like portraying what we're doing to the greater masses. 1048 01:23:01,272 --> 01:23:06,652 And it's new, you know, that's a new thing like we used to go into the mountains and be just, 1049 01:23:06,736 --> 01:23:09,197 you know, us and our climbing partner, and the mountains. 1050 01:23:12,783 --> 01:23:16,162 We're no longer focused on what we're doing, we're focused on the story 1051 01:23:16,245 --> 01:23:19,081 that we're gonna tell as we're doing it. 1052 01:23:19,165 --> 01:23:23,711 We have the privilege to inspire in the way that we never could have done in the past. 1053 01:23:23,794 --> 01:23:28,299 But I do feel like there's a loss, like, going up there and pulling out your smartphone 1054 01:23:28,382 --> 01:23:34,138 all the time and thinking about that story, takes away from the moment. 1055 01:23:34,222 --> 01:23:38,226 And so, I try and walk that balance delicately. 1056 01:23:38,309 --> 01:23:42,522 Like on the Dawn Wall, specifically, we had great cell phone service. 1057 01:23:42,605 --> 01:23:45,483 We had photographers with us, which were our friends, 1058 01:23:45,566 --> 01:23:48,986 and we were constantly updating our social media feeds. 1059 01:23:49,111 --> 01:23:53,991 And I started to feel like after a while that it was disingenuous and it didn't feel real. 1060 01:23:54,075 --> 01:23:57,578 And then at one point I dropped my phone and suddenly it was almost like 1061 01:23:57,662 --> 01:23:59,705 going back in time fifteen years. 1062 01:23:59,789 --> 01:24:03,709 And suddenly I-- I was noticing all the little details 1063 01:24:04,627 --> 01:24:06,087 of this-- of our surroundings. 1064 01:24:06,170 --> 01:24:09,549 You know I'd be-- in the quiet moments, I'd be looking down into Yosemite Valley 1065 01:24:09,632 --> 01:24:11,968 and watching the ice form on the rivers and break down. 1066 01:24:12,051 --> 01:24:17,223 And I all of a sudden could experience that moment so much more vividly. 1067 01:24:21,227 --> 01:24:28,693 [Angelika] I feel now with social media there is easily people being envious. 1068 01:24:28,776 --> 01:24:34,532 A lot of people they maybe look what you do but they don't like it. 1069 01:24:34,615 --> 01:24:40,329 It's a game that puts pressure on people to think about what are they gonna post today 1070 01:24:40,413 --> 01:24:42,498 instead of what am I gonna climb today. 1071 01:24:43,457 --> 01:24:44,834 When I first started climbing 1072 01:24:44,917 --> 01:24:48,754 that would be considered really bad style to boast about yourself. 1073 01:24:51,215 --> 01:24:57,054 It was a nicer attitude to just be part of the community and support each other 1074 01:24:57,138 --> 01:25:02,768 and not judge each other based on who is doing better or who is maybe scared. 1075 01:25:03,978 --> 01:25:08,899 I think the best thing about climbing and I guess any of these sports 1076 01:25:08,983 --> 01:25:14,071 is just understanding your place in the natural world 1077 01:25:14,196 --> 01:25:18,618 because I do think it's really easy if you live in a city, 1078 01:25:18,701 --> 01:25:22,413 and you never leave the city, and you're in a man-made environment 1079 01:25:22,496 --> 01:25:24,248 where everything is controlled. 1080 01:25:24,332 --> 01:25:29,462 I think it's very easy to think that that represents reality, and I don't think it does. 1081 01:25:29,545 --> 01:25:34,091 When you spend time outside, you understand that you are not in control of anything 1082 01:25:34,216 --> 01:25:36,010 and you are just one little creature. 1083 01:25:36,802 --> 01:25:40,348 As a climber when you see a lizard, you think, 1084 01:25:40,431 --> 01:25:43,726 I'm pretty terrible at this compared to that guy. 1085 01:25:43,809 --> 01:25:49,398 And so, to then, you know, want to be impressed because you're doing it more or less 1086 01:25:49,482 --> 01:25:50,775 than another human that's almost so silly 1087 01:25:50,858 --> 01:25:53,027 because we're inherently never very good at it. 1088 01:25:53,110 --> 01:25:56,322 And you know, same with air sports, look at the birds. 1089 01:25:57,907 --> 01:26:02,328 We're never gonna be that great at it, but so, it's almost silly to be looking 1090 01:26:02,411 --> 01:26:06,207 at the person next to you and thinking that says something about you. 1091 01:26:06,290 --> 01:26:08,042 You have to do your own path. 1092 01:26:12,421 --> 01:26:15,132 [Maureen] I don't want to be an inspiration just because 1093 01:26:15,257 --> 01:26:17,259 I climb with one hand, or I live with one hand, you know. 1094 01:26:17,343 --> 01:26:20,763 I get lots of people in the gym even that are just saying, 1095 01:26:20,846 --> 01:26:22,807 "Oh, good for you for not letting that keep you down." 1096 01:26:22,890 --> 01:26:25,476 And I just think, "Why would it keep me down? Like, where else would I be? 1097 01:26:25,559 --> 01:26:28,104 Why wouldn't I be out climbing?" And so, for someone to say, 1098 01:26:28,187 --> 01:26:30,231 "That's so inspiring just because I got out of bed." 1099 01:26:30,314 --> 01:26:33,526 Like that-- it's-- it's-- that I'm less than psyched on. 1100 01:26:33,609 --> 01:26:35,986 But you know, when I do something that's hard for me, 1101 01:26:36,070 --> 01:26:38,322 or I do something that's hard for anybody, 1102 01:26:38,406 --> 01:26:40,116 and someone says, "Okay that's inspiring." 1103 01:26:40,199 --> 01:26:43,536 Then I know they're actually giving me credit for something I've done versus just existing. 1104 01:26:47,039 --> 01:26:48,541 Oh my God! 1105 01:27:32,668 --> 01:27:34,170 [Lynn] Climbing is a lesson in life. 1106 01:27:34,253 --> 01:27:40,384 You learn how to take these situations and do your best and turn around. 1107 01:27:41,051 --> 01:27:44,346 Oftentimes, if you're trying something really difficult, 1108 01:27:44,430 --> 01:27:47,850 you know that you're probably not going to make it successfully your first time. 1109 01:27:47,933 --> 01:27:49,977 You've got to solve the problems. 1110 01:27:50,060 --> 01:27:52,354 You know, your life depends on it, so you have to. 1111 01:27:52,438 --> 01:27:56,233 But that gives you confidence in so many other aspects of life 1112 01:27:56,358 --> 01:27:59,820 because if you come up against that in something outside of climbing, 1113 01:27:59,904 --> 01:28:03,824 you can take the lesson of "Okay. Well, I didn't get what I wanted right away, 1114 01:28:03,908 --> 01:28:05,868 but I'm gonna try a different technique, 1115 01:28:05,951 --> 01:28:11,791 or try again, or-- or maybe this means that I need to shift my direction a little bit." 1116 01:28:11,874 --> 01:28:16,378 Along the way, of course, you're going to fail because falling is part of learning, 1117 01:28:16,462 --> 01:28:18,506 and it's a necessary part of learning. 1118 01:28:22,051 --> 01:28:25,513 [Angelika] After all these years of-- of competitions, 1119 01:28:25,596 --> 01:28:29,767 I-- I know how to handle if I fail, 1120 01:28:29,850 --> 01:28:33,354 and this is something that actually is going to happen in our lives as well 1121 01:28:33,437 --> 01:28:38,400 because we, for sure, can't accomplish everything we-- we try to do. 1122 01:28:38,484 --> 01:28:42,112 I'm three times world champion in ice climbing, 1123 01:28:42,196 --> 01:28:46,659 and I came two times second at World Championships 1124 01:28:46,742 --> 01:28:50,996 which is still a very good accomplishment, but, yeah, I didn't win. 1125 01:28:55,876 --> 01:28:57,795 [Erik] You know like when after I did Everest, 1126 01:28:58,462 --> 01:29:02,633 one article came out, it was like in Time magazine, it was "Blind to Failure." 1127 01:29:03,509 --> 01:29:07,388 And I was like that's-- that's nice, but I easily could have failed, you know. 1128 01:29:07,471 --> 01:29:12,935 And like people said, you know, "Oh, you blew them-- world's expectations out of the water 1129 01:29:13,018 --> 01:29:16,313 and you've shattered people's perceptions of what's possible." 1130 01:29:16,397 --> 01:29:19,650 And what they don't realize is that you're constantly doing that inside your mind. 1131 01:29:19,733 --> 01:29:23,571 Like forget the world's expectations and the world's perceptions, 1132 01:29:23,654 --> 01:29:27,032 you're shattering your own perceptions, constantly. 1133 01:29:29,076 --> 01:29:33,330 So, for me, it's not like is there advantages and disadvantages to being blind, 1134 01:29:33,414 --> 01:29:35,457 you make everything an advantage. 1135 01:29:37,459 --> 01:29:41,755 [Tommy] But I think there's phases in life, like, you need to spend a part of your life 1136 01:29:42,965 --> 01:29:44,967 sort of filling your own fuel tank. 1137 01:29:45,050 --> 01:29:48,596 You need to spend a lot-- part of your life being introspective, 1138 01:29:48,679 --> 01:29:51,932 and thinking about yourself and your experiences, 1139 01:29:52,016 --> 01:29:56,687 but then you also need to spend part of your life trying to serve. 1140 01:29:58,063 --> 01:30:01,442 If I had never become a climber, or if I had never learned about the mountains, 1141 01:30:01,525 --> 01:30:05,321 I wouldn't be able to understand the power to pay it forward to my family. 1142 01:30:05,404 --> 01:30:08,324 And so, I'm incredibly happy that I spent a big part of my life, 1143 01:30:08,407 --> 01:30:12,745 essentially, being selfish [chuckling] because it made me into who I was. 1144 01:30:13,996 --> 01:30:16,290 You just have to figure out when to make the shift. 1145 01:30:22,838 --> 01:30:27,718 [Conrad] There's always this quest for knowledge and that's a unique human trait. 1146 01:30:29,803 --> 01:30:34,683 The ability to imagine, to dream, and then to explore 1147 01:30:34,767 --> 01:30:37,603 those imaginations and those dreams. 1148 01:30:38,854 --> 01:30:44,610 I hope that there never comes a day when I wake up and I don't have any crazy ideas, 1149 01:30:44,693 --> 01:30:49,949 or any thing I want to achieve because I feel like that's the end of the dreaming phase 1150 01:30:50,032 --> 01:30:51,241 and I don't want that to happen. 1151 01:30:53,619 --> 01:31:01,585 [Xavier] To me life is made for living and, you know, I love it, I embrace it, I learn from it, 1152 01:31:01,669 --> 01:31:07,967 and I know that, you know, the price of challenge is that you may die along the way. 1153 01:31:08,050 --> 01:31:12,137 And I probably didn't choose the safest route 1154 01:31:12,805 --> 01:31:19,645 but I love it and I wouldn't change it for anything because it makes me feel so alive. 1155 01:31:22,106 --> 01:31:24,942 [Steph] As you get older, you just get better at things 1156 01:31:25,025 --> 01:31:30,239 and you have so much more perspective on the world and people 1157 01:31:30,322 --> 01:31:33,617 and the things that happen, and it just gets so much richer, 1158 01:31:33,701 --> 01:31:38,038 and it's fun to be good at things, and it's fun to kind of have your life together, 1159 01:31:38,122 --> 01:31:43,877 and to be smarter, and, you know, more experienced, and it just gets more fun all the time. 1160 01:31:43,961 --> 01:31:47,548 So-- so we don't have that long and- 1161 01:31:47,631 --> 01:31:54,304 and I'm just really thankful to still be here and get to be doing this. 1162 01:31:54,388 --> 01:32:03,147 I am still hungry person for the next horizon. I'm always interested to see 1163 01:32:03,230 --> 01:32:07,234 above the next horizon but there is no end of the next horizon. 1164 01:32:07,317 --> 01:32:08,777 This is infinite. 1165 01:32:09,820 --> 01:32:13,741 I think it's a-- it's a really big lesson in enjoying that process 1166 01:32:13,824 --> 01:32:17,494 because, you know, once you get to the top, it's on to the next thing. 1167 01:32:17,619 --> 01:32:22,207 And it's easy to go through our life like that, and always thinking about the next thing 1168 01:32:22,291 --> 01:32:24,710 that we want to do and never enjoy or appreciate, 1169 01:32:24,793 --> 01:32:27,588 you know, the moment that we're-- we're living right now. 1170 01:32:27,671 --> 01:32:32,676 And you know, whether, it's climbing in the high-- high mountains of the Himalaya, 1171 01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:38,891 or free soloing, or bouldering, or competitions, or whatever it is in life really, 1172 01:32:38,974 --> 01:32:40,684 to see someone that's really, 1173 01:32:42,019 --> 01:32:46,774 doing what they're, you know, doing something with passion, you can appreciate that. 1174 01:32:47,524 --> 01:32:51,111 The more I've lived this life the more I've realized that it is, you know, 1175 01:32:51,862 --> 01:32:55,282 the climbing is almost an excuse, a purpose 1176 01:32:55,365 --> 01:32:59,995 to go to these incredible corners of the Earth where nobody goes there. 1177 01:33:00,079 --> 01:33:03,540 You know they're some of the most spectacular works of Mother Nature. 1178 01:33:05,501 --> 01:33:10,172 Watching the Northern Lights from a cliff thousand meters tall, it's been minus ten 1179 01:33:10,255 --> 01:33:17,387 for two weeks, and then the weather breaks, and you see an incredible luminescent sky 1180 01:33:17,471 --> 01:33:22,434 shining down on you, or there's a cave halfway up this mountain in-- in the Amazon jungle, 1181 01:33:22,518 --> 01:33:24,353 uh, tepui, a big table-top, 1182 01:33:25,020 --> 01:33:28,315 a big tower of rock that sticks out of the jungle for hundreds of meters. 1183 01:33:28,398 --> 01:33:33,362 There's a cave halfway up that's called the Cueva del Autana, the caves of Autana. 1184 01:33:33,445 --> 01:33:34,988 And it-- it's made out of quartz. 1185 01:33:35,072 --> 01:33:40,702 It's a cathedral sized cavern in a super remote place that no one knows about, 1186 01:33:40,786 --> 01:33:42,454 let alone has been there. 1187 01:33:42,538 --> 01:33:46,667 We spent nearly a week camping inside that thing, and one day in that week, 1188 01:33:46,750 --> 01:33:51,588 we got the glorious sunrise, where, you know, it's just-- it's beyond words. 1189 01:33:51,713 --> 01:33:55,551 To see the light and the timing, and-- and all those things coming together. 1190 01:33:55,634 --> 01:33:57,678 It's not about adrenaline fixes. 1191 01:33:57,761 --> 01:34:00,472 It's not about high-fives in rad places. 1192 01:34:03,267 --> 01:34:06,687 It's a very fundamental thing. It--it's-- it's soul nurturing. 1193 01:34:06,770 --> 01:34:08,230 It's about inner peace. 1194 01:34:08,313 --> 01:34:11,692 It's about living your life and sharing those moments. 1195 01:34:13,944 --> 01:34:16,280 Not missing out, making yourself a better person. 1196 01:34:18,657 --> 01:34:19,908 It's a beautiful world. 1197 01:34:21,785 --> 01:34:23,787 โ™ชโ™ชโ™ช 1198 01:37:18,378 --> 01:37:20,339 โ™ชโ™ชโ™ช 1199 01:38:00,754 --> 01:38:02,672 [music ends] 114255

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