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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:14,710 --> 00:00:16,625 [Gilbert] I'd like to apologize 4 00:00:16,668 --> 00:00:18,148 if I hurt anyone 5 00:00:18,192 --> 00:00:20,455 with anything I'm going to say 6 00:00:20,498 --> 00:00:22,544 or if it's an opposing viewpoint 7 00:00:22,587 --> 00:00:24,894 to one you might have. 8 00:00:24,937 --> 00:00:26,939 And if I look like I'm thinking 9 00:00:26,983 --> 00:00:30,160 about something that might be offensive, 10 00:00:30,204 --> 00:00:33,294 please, I apologize for hurting you. 11 00:00:33,337 --> 00:00:35,339 [music] 12 00:00:39,430 --> 00:00:40,823 And I'm very sorry 13 00:00:40,866 --> 00:00:44,653 that I bothered you or upset any of you. 14 00:00:44,696 --> 00:00:47,134 [music] 15 00:00:48,439 --> 00:00:50,311 I genuinely... 16 00:00:50,354 --> 00:00:51,703 am deeply sorry to anyone 17 00:00:51,747 --> 00:00:53,575 who's ever been affected by that term. 18 00:00:53,618 --> 00:00:55,055 I'm sorry I did that. 19 00:00:58,232 --> 00:01:00,060 I want to apologize 20 00:01:00,103 --> 00:01:03,150 for a comment that I made on last night's Fashion Police 21 00:01:03,193 --> 00:01:04,586 about Zendaya's hair. 22 00:01:16,380 --> 00:01:17,729 I'm embarrassed that I did that. 23 00:01:26,477 --> 00:01:29,393 I've learned it is not my intent that matters, 24 00:01:29,437 --> 00:01:30,568 it's the result. 25 00:01:30,612 --> 00:01:32,135 And the result is that people 26 00:01:32,179 --> 00:01:33,223 are offended. 27 00:01:33,267 --> 00:01:34,311 I did a bad thing. 28 00:01:38,054 --> 00:01:41,057 I cannot spend every night apologizing. 29 00:01:41,101 --> 00:01:42,624 I'm here to apologize. 30 00:01:42,667 --> 00:01:43,973 I'm sorry. 31 00:01:44,016 --> 00:01:45,105 I hope you'll accept my apology. 32 00:01:55,245 --> 00:01:57,465 -Are you ready? -[all] Yeah. 33 00:01:57,508 --> 00:02:00,555 Then light your torches and go. 34 00:02:00,598 --> 00:02:01,991 [narrator] It doesn't take much to rile up 35 00:02:02,034 --> 00:02:03,688 the outrage mob these days. 36 00:02:03,732 --> 00:02:05,473 If you're a comedian, there might be calls 37 00:02:05,516 --> 00:02:07,214 for your show to be cancelled 38 00:02:07,257 --> 00:02:08,998 if someone takes offense at your joke. 39 00:02:09,041 --> 00:02:10,347 You might have to kiss your big, 40 00:02:10,391 --> 00:02:12,088 new gig good-bye. 41 00:02:12,132 --> 00:02:14,221 You could get fired or get death threats. 42 00:02:14,264 --> 00:02:16,179 You might even get attacked on stage. 43 00:02:16,223 --> 00:02:17,963 Most people just give into the mob's demands, 44 00:02:18,007 --> 00:02:19,269 but some comics are brave 45 00:02:19,313 --> 00:02:21,228 or stupid enough to fight back. 46 00:02:21,271 --> 00:02:23,665 I think people like to be offended because there's like 47 00:02:23,708 --> 00:02:25,101 a really weird sense of empowerment 48 00:02:25,145 --> 00:02:26,624 with being offended. 49 00:02:26,668 --> 00:02:28,539 I think it's an attention-seeking device. 50 00:02:28,583 --> 00:02:29,584 If you think you have the right 51 00:02:29,627 --> 00:02:32,456 not to be offended, 52 00:02:32,500 --> 00:02:33,892 either change your parameters 53 00:02:33,936 --> 00:02:35,285 of what offends you 54 00:02:35,329 --> 00:02:37,635 or just realize you're wrong. 55 00:02:37,679 --> 00:02:39,550 Those are your two choices. 56 00:02:39,594 --> 00:02:41,204 [narrator] Jim Norton devotes a lot of his act 57 00:02:41,248 --> 00:02:43,772 to raging against outrage. 58 00:02:43,815 --> 00:02:45,904 Why is comedy the only form of the arts 59 00:02:45,948 --> 00:02:48,342 where people think that they have to agree with 60 00:02:48,385 --> 00:02:49,343 or approve the content? 61 00:02:49,386 --> 00:02:50,996 Why is that? 62 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:52,824 You don't walk through a museum with a towel 63 00:02:52,868 --> 00:02:53,999 and throw it over paintings 64 00:02:54,043 --> 00:02:55,000 that you don't like. 65 00:02:55,044 --> 00:02:56,828 [audience laughing] 66 00:02:56,872 --> 00:02:58,613 I don't want anybody else seeing this 67 00:02:58,656 --> 00:03:00,441 because I didn't quite enjoy it. 68 00:03:00,484 --> 00:03:02,617 [laughing continues] 69 00:03:02,660 --> 00:03:04,880 Someone will find something about every jokes 70 00:03:04,923 --> 00:03:06,403 down to the most benign subject 71 00:03:06,447 --> 00:03:07,709 till we're all like five year olds 72 00:03:07,752 --> 00:03:08,971 and can't say anything. 73 00:03:09,014 --> 00:03:10,799 If comedians avoided every topic 74 00:03:10,842 --> 00:03:13,149 that might offend someone, there's nothing to talk about. 75 00:03:13,193 --> 00:03:15,369 Pressuring the person to make a fake apology 76 00:03:15,412 --> 00:03:16,674 over whatever it is that he's said 77 00:03:16,718 --> 00:03:18,198 that got your panties in a bunch. 78 00:03:18,241 --> 00:03:19,895 I don't know why we look at this as progress. 79 00:03:19,938 --> 00:03:21,375 If you're easily offended, please don't come 80 00:03:21,418 --> 00:03:22,680 to a comedy show. 81 00:03:22,724 --> 00:03:25,640 When people are outraged by something, 82 00:03:25,683 --> 00:03:27,468 they're also patting themselves 83 00:03:27,511 --> 00:03:28,817 on the back, 84 00:03:28,860 --> 00:03:30,340 like, "Hey, 85 00:03:30,384 --> 00:03:33,125 I'm a good person, I was outraged." 86 00:03:33,169 --> 00:03:34,649 People just love 87 00:03:34,692 --> 00:03:36,651 to be offended and they love to talk about it. 88 00:03:36,694 --> 00:03:38,435 [narrator] More and more comedians are getting fed up 89 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:39,915 with outrage. 90 00:03:39,958 --> 00:03:41,264 They say it's time for the mob 91 00:03:41,308 --> 00:03:42,613 to learn how to take a joke. 92 00:03:42,657 --> 00:03:43,745 [Penn] We don't have a legal right 93 00:03:43,788 --> 00:03:45,181 to not be offended, 94 00:03:45,225 --> 00:03:46,617 but you have a social right to avoid things 95 00:03:46,661 --> 00:03:47,792 that offend you. 96 00:03:47,836 --> 00:03:49,054 So, your feelings got hurt, 97 00:03:49,098 --> 00:03:50,882 it's not the end of the world. 98 00:03:50,926 --> 00:03:53,233 I've always refused to apologize for a joke. 99 00:03:53,276 --> 00:03:55,235 There's a lot of people out there whose job is to be 100 00:03:55,278 --> 00:03:56,801 offended for other people. 101 00:03:56,845 --> 00:03:59,761 It's almost like people have gotten soft. 102 00:03:59,804 --> 00:04:01,415 The Marx brothers 103 00:04:01,458 --> 00:04:03,199 were rebellious. 104 00:04:03,243 --> 00:04:06,071 Nowadays, you'd watch them and you go, 105 00:04:06,115 --> 00:04:09,205 "Oh, he's advocating smoking 106 00:04:09,249 --> 00:04:12,295 and the other guy is anti-Italian 107 00:04:12,339 --> 00:04:13,949 and that guy is making fun of people 108 00:04:13,992 --> 00:04:16,430 -who can't speak." -I get offended. 109 00:04:16,473 --> 00:04:18,214 And we're getting to the point where 110 00:04:18,258 --> 00:04:21,173 outrage is a powerful political tool. 111 00:04:21,217 --> 00:04:22,697 There's plenty of things that have offended me, 112 00:04:22,740 --> 00:04:24,568 but that's where it begins and ends. 113 00:04:24,612 --> 00:04:26,135 I'm offended, who gives a fuck? 114 00:04:26,178 --> 00:04:27,179 But people, like, wanna take it 115 00:04:27,223 --> 00:04:28,485 a step further and go, 116 00:04:28,529 --> 00:04:29,878 "I want you to know I'm offended 117 00:04:29,921 --> 00:04:31,009 and I'd like something done." 118 00:04:41,193 --> 00:04:44,458 [woman] Comedy's lovable queen of mean, 119 00:04:44,501 --> 00:04:47,025 Lisa Lampanelli. 120 00:04:47,069 --> 00:04:49,767 [cheers and applause] 121 00:04:49,811 --> 00:04:52,553 [Lisa] Context in comedy is the be all and end all. 122 00:04:52,596 --> 00:04:56,034 If I'm making fun of every single nationality, 123 00:04:56,078 --> 00:04:59,168 race, height, weight, et cetera during my show, 124 00:04:59,211 --> 00:05:00,343 the context is that 125 00:05:00,387 --> 00:05:01,779 we're all the same, 126 00:05:01,823 --> 00:05:03,041 we're all gonna get made fun of. 127 00:05:03,085 --> 00:05:05,435 Thank you homos for skipping a night 128 00:05:05,479 --> 00:05:07,437 of watching Bravo TV. 129 00:05:07,481 --> 00:05:09,570 [audience laughing] 130 00:05:09,613 --> 00:05:11,398 Oh, my God, that one who jumped up, 131 00:05:11,441 --> 00:05:13,138 this big queen right here. 132 00:05:13,182 --> 00:05:14,401 Oh! 133 00:05:16,141 --> 00:05:21,669 He is so gay, he jerks off to Antique Roadshow. 134 00:05:21,712 --> 00:05:23,366 By the end of the show the white guy 135 00:05:23,410 --> 00:05:25,542 who got made fun of for being gay 136 00:05:25,586 --> 00:05:27,152 or being, you know, blind, 137 00:05:27,196 --> 00:05:28,850 or--I had a deaf guy a couple of weeks ago 138 00:05:28,893 --> 00:05:29,938 who was amazing. 139 00:05:29,981 --> 00:05:31,418 He suddenly goes, 140 00:05:31,461 --> 00:05:32,984 "Oh, that's what black people feel like. 141 00:05:33,028 --> 00:05:34,769 That's what the Asian people feel like." 142 00:05:34,812 --> 00:05:37,206 So, I think that's what brings people together going, 143 00:05:37,249 --> 00:05:39,382 "We all the same in this bitch." 144 00:05:39,426 --> 00:05:41,297 My only line has ever been, if I can't make it funny 145 00:05:41,341 --> 00:05:42,951 I'm not gonna do it. 146 00:05:42,994 --> 00:05:45,954 Rape can't be taken off the table, AIDS, everything. 147 00:05:45,997 --> 00:05:47,390 Every time I do an AIDS and a rape joke, 148 00:05:47,434 --> 00:05:48,913 it kills and you know what, 149 00:05:48,957 --> 00:05:50,393 it's because we're scared of it. 150 00:05:50,437 --> 00:05:52,961 And if you're running away from it 151 00:05:53,004 --> 00:05:54,528 and you're not confronting it, 152 00:05:54,571 --> 00:05:56,573 you're a pussy and you're not standing up 153 00:05:56,617 --> 00:05:57,835 to it. 154 00:05:57,879 --> 00:05:59,228 So, I think that's why 155 00:05:59,271 --> 00:06:01,230 you have to make fun of those subjects. 156 00:06:01,273 --> 00:06:04,712 I think it's very hot that we have such sexy blacks 157 00:06:04,755 --> 00:06:07,584 and spics at this show. [imitates cat's meow] 158 00:06:07,628 --> 00:06:09,847 If I can't get raped by the end of this night, 159 00:06:09,891 --> 00:06:12,676 I want my money back. 160 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:13,938 No, I mean, come on, man, 161 00:06:13,982 --> 00:06:15,549 if this guy jumps me after the show, 162 00:06:15,592 --> 00:06:18,595 that ain't a felony, that is lawful entry. 163 00:06:18,639 --> 00:06:20,336 [audience laughing] 164 00:06:20,380 --> 00:06:22,120 [narrator] Lisa Lampanelli markets herself 165 00:06:22,164 --> 00:06:24,688 as an insult comic, but even she can't escape 166 00:06:24,732 --> 00:06:26,429 the outrage mob. 167 00:06:26,473 --> 00:06:29,301 [Lisa] If we as comics steered clear of every topic 168 00:06:29,345 --> 00:06:31,695 that might offend someone, we would never open our mouth, 169 00:06:31,739 --> 00:06:34,524 I mean, literally, because I have made a joke 170 00:06:34,568 --> 00:06:36,961 about the band Journey once 171 00:06:37,005 --> 00:06:38,789 and a guy almost stormed the stage. 172 00:06:38,833 --> 00:06:41,401 What the fuck is wrong with you? 173 00:06:41,444 --> 00:06:43,620 [crowd cheering] 174 00:06:43,664 --> 00:06:46,449 Look up the funny and sue, you ugly fuck. 175 00:06:46,493 --> 00:06:49,713 [cheers and applause] 176 00:06:49,757 --> 00:06:51,280 [Lisa] I'm like, "Really? 177 00:06:51,323 --> 00:06:53,935 You didn't mind spic, chink, kike, 178 00:06:53,978 --> 00:06:58,374 Jew bastard, cocksucker, but Journey?" 179 00:06:58,418 --> 00:07:00,637 That's Steve Perry, motherfucker. 180 00:07:00,681 --> 00:07:02,857 [narrator] So, what's a comedian supposed to do these days, 181 00:07:02,900 --> 00:07:04,119 play it safe? 182 00:07:04,162 --> 00:07:05,860 [Gilbert] George Carlin once said 183 00:07:05,903 --> 00:07:07,862 it's the duty of a comedian 184 00:07:07,905 --> 00:07:11,256 to find out where the line is drawn 185 00:07:11,300 --> 00:07:13,650 and deliberately cross over it. 186 00:07:13,694 --> 00:07:16,436 I, of course, always like that line 187 00:07:16,479 --> 00:07:17,959 because he says duty. 188 00:07:18,002 --> 00:07:19,439 There so many times that, you know, 189 00:07:19,482 --> 00:07:21,702 we get the wool pulled over our eyes 190 00:07:21,745 --> 00:07:23,834 in society by, you know, certain powers 191 00:07:23,878 --> 00:07:25,880 that be who wanna get away with stuff. 192 00:07:25,923 --> 00:07:27,882 And I see the role of comedians 193 00:07:27,925 --> 00:07:29,492 as the torch bearer. 194 00:07:29,536 --> 00:07:31,102 You know, we shine the light 195 00:07:31,146 --> 00:07:32,669 on what's really going on. 196 00:07:32,713 --> 00:07:34,105 It's an amazing lineage of people 197 00:07:34,149 --> 00:07:36,194 who've taken on that responsibility. 198 00:07:36,238 --> 00:07:38,458 [narrator] Richard Pryor took on that responsibility. 199 00:07:38,501 --> 00:07:40,372 And before him, George Carlin. 200 00:07:40,416 --> 00:07:41,939 But today's stand-up comedians 201 00:07:41,983 --> 00:07:44,551 trace their lineage back to Lenny Bruce. 202 00:07:44,594 --> 00:07:45,900 [Steve Allen] Now, ladies and gentlemen 203 00:07:45,943 --> 00:07:47,292 here is a very shocking comedian, 204 00:07:47,336 --> 00:07:48,816 the most shocking comedian of our time, 205 00:07:48,859 --> 00:07:50,731 a young man who is skyrocketing to fame, 206 00:07:50,774 --> 00:07:51,732 Lenny Bruce. 207 00:07:51,775 --> 00:07:52,776 Here he is. 208 00:07:52,820 --> 00:07:55,213 [cheers and applause] 209 00:07:55,257 --> 00:07:57,607 There are words that offend me. 210 00:07:57,651 --> 00:07:59,304 Let's see. 211 00:07:59,348 --> 00:08:03,483 Governor Faubus, segregation offend me, 212 00:08:03,526 --> 00:08:05,920 nighttime television offends me, 213 00:08:05,963 --> 00:08:07,791 some nighttime television. 214 00:08:07,835 --> 00:08:11,795 He's honest, he's--he's smart, 215 00:08:11,839 --> 00:08:13,057 he's funny, 216 00:08:13,101 --> 00:08:14,232 and he's a hero. 217 00:08:19,324 --> 00:08:21,152 [narrator] Penn Jillette is the taller, 218 00:08:21,196 --> 00:08:24,025 louder half of the comedy and magic duo Penn & Teller. 219 00:08:24,068 --> 00:08:25,766 He says Lenny Bruce was an early 220 00:08:25,809 --> 00:08:27,463 showbiz inspiration. 221 00:08:27,507 --> 00:08:29,509 [Penn] It was like nothing I'd ever seen 222 00:08:29,552 --> 00:08:31,728 on TV or in situation comedies. 223 00:08:31,772 --> 00:08:33,469 [narrator] The Beverly Hillbillies was America's 224 00:08:33,513 --> 00:08:35,558 favorite sitcom when Lenny was trying 225 00:08:35,602 --> 00:08:36,603 to make a name for himself. 226 00:08:36,646 --> 00:08:38,213 It was the early '60s, 227 00:08:38,256 --> 00:08:40,041 and ba-da-boomp jokes were all the rage. 228 00:08:40,084 --> 00:08:41,521 Anyway, I'm back in television again, 229 00:08:41,564 --> 00:08:42,957 I was on television about four weeks ago. 230 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,176 I received two offers for plastic surgery. 231 00:08:45,220 --> 00:08:46,569 [audience laughing] 232 00:08:46,613 --> 00:08:47,657 [narrator] Lenny turned comedy 233 00:08:47,701 --> 00:08:49,006 in a different direction. 234 00:08:49,050 --> 00:08:51,226 The personal quality of Lenny 235 00:08:51,269 --> 00:08:52,880 talking about 236 00:08:52,923 --> 00:08:55,056 his real life 237 00:08:55,099 --> 00:08:56,492 was just mind-blowing. 238 00:08:56,536 --> 00:08:57,711 That changed comedy forever. 239 00:09:34,661 --> 00:09:37,011 [laughing] 240 00:09:37,054 --> 00:09:39,709 You listen to Lenny Bruce and nothing is surprising 241 00:09:39,753 --> 00:09:42,320 and that's because everyone ripped him off. 242 00:09:42,364 --> 00:09:44,975 The whole world changed to come around to him. 243 00:09:45,019 --> 00:09:46,629 [Ron] When I think of Lenny Bruce, one of the words 244 00:09:46,673 --> 00:09:49,458 that comes to mind is risk. 245 00:09:49,501 --> 00:09:52,896 He never saw a taboo he wasn't willing to bust. 246 00:09:52,940 --> 00:09:55,812 He never saw a line he wasn't willing to cross. 247 00:10:04,908 --> 00:10:06,301 [audience laughing] 248 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,321 [Ron] And where did he bust out? Did he bust out on television? 249 00:10:26,364 --> 00:10:28,018 No. Did he bust out on radio? 250 00:10:28,062 --> 00:10:29,454 No, not really. 251 00:10:29,498 --> 00:10:31,239 He busted out in comedy clubs. 252 00:10:58,179 --> 00:11:00,094 [audience laughing] 253 00:11:00,137 --> 00:11:02,792 [Ron] Nobody ever complained to the authorities 254 00:11:02,836 --> 00:11:04,272 about Lenny Bruce's act. 255 00:11:04,315 --> 00:11:06,230 I mean, if you're worried about that, 256 00:11:06,274 --> 00:11:08,624 you don't go to a venue after midnight, 257 00:11:08,668 --> 00:11:11,409 you know, with a bunch of, you know, 258 00:11:11,453 --> 00:11:13,542 bearded, beaded, 259 00:11:13,585 --> 00:11:15,849 drunk, inebriated stoned people. 260 00:11:15,892 --> 00:11:18,025 So, nobody ever complained, but the cops were there. 261 00:11:18,068 --> 00:11:20,418 [narrator] It got to the point where Lenny expected cops 262 00:11:20,462 --> 00:11:21,724 to attend his shows. 263 00:11:21,768 --> 00:11:23,726 And Lenny Bruce would do things like, 264 00:11:23,770 --> 00:11:25,162 you know, he'd go through a whole show 265 00:11:25,206 --> 00:11:26,686 and no dirty words, and then come on, 266 00:11:26,729 --> 00:11:28,731 let's, you know, do an encore 267 00:11:28,775 --> 00:11:30,559 and the police are right there and said, 268 00:11:30,602 --> 00:11:32,735 "You know, I'm sorry I disappointed you, 269 00:11:32,779 --> 00:11:34,998 men in blue, by not saying cocksucker." 270 00:11:35,042 --> 00:11:36,521 -Boom. -[narrator] And that's what 271 00:11:36,565 --> 00:11:38,393 Lenny got arrested for in San Francisco. 272 00:11:38,436 --> 00:11:39,742 He would later talk about the bust 273 00:11:39,786 --> 00:11:42,049 during his act, tap dancing around 274 00:11:42,092 --> 00:11:43,920 the forbidden word. 275 00:12:03,113 --> 00:12:05,420 [Ron] Jokes about controversial issues. 276 00:12:05,463 --> 00:12:08,205 Jokes about race, jokes about religion. 277 00:12:08,249 --> 00:12:09,772 The Jews killed Christ. 278 00:12:09,816 --> 00:12:11,165 I can't tell you how long I've had to listen 279 00:12:11,208 --> 00:12:12,993 to this stuff. 280 00:12:13,036 --> 00:12:15,865 Okay, let's set the record straight. It's true. 281 00:12:15,909 --> 00:12:17,649 We killed him and if he comes back, 282 00:12:17,693 --> 00:12:19,347 we'll kill him again. 283 00:12:19,390 --> 00:12:21,915 Well, funny to the people, you know, 284 00:12:21,958 --> 00:12:23,177 in the audience, 285 00:12:23,220 --> 00:12:25,657 not so funny to the Irish cops there. 286 00:12:25,701 --> 00:12:27,572 [narrator] Police arrested Lenny in Chicago, 287 00:12:27,616 --> 00:12:30,184 in Los Angeles, in San Francisco. 288 00:12:30,227 --> 00:12:32,577 Lenny had to worry about cops at his shows, 289 00:12:32,621 --> 00:12:34,144 but nobody else complained. 290 00:12:34,188 --> 00:12:35,885 Today, it's the reverse. 291 00:12:35,929 --> 00:12:37,844 Cops no longer arrest comedians 292 00:12:37,887 --> 00:12:40,324 at clubs, but the people are complaining. 293 00:12:40,368 --> 00:12:42,196 It's almost as if we've been taught 294 00:12:42,239 --> 00:12:43,806 to love censorship. 295 00:12:43,850 --> 00:12:45,590 [music] 296 00:12:56,253 --> 00:12:57,994 [narrator] Oh, college. 297 00:12:58,038 --> 00:13:00,257 It's where you can finally live on your own. 298 00:13:00,301 --> 00:13:01,955 Be free. 299 00:13:01,998 --> 00:13:03,130 -Be yourself. -♪ And we're banned 300 00:13:03,173 --> 00:13:07,003 ♪ From Argo, everyone 301 00:13:07,047 --> 00:13:10,441 ♪ Banned from Argo just for having a little fun ♪ 302 00:13:10,485 --> 00:13:11,878 -♪ We spend... -[narrator] Just be careful 303 00:13:11,921 --> 00:13:13,705 if you're trying to be funny. 304 00:13:13,749 --> 00:13:15,925 We were accused of sexual harassment 305 00:13:15,969 --> 00:13:17,927 for an April Fool's article. 306 00:13:17,971 --> 00:13:19,711 [narrator] She's the editor of a student newspaper 307 00:13:19,755 --> 00:13:22,105 at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks. 308 00:13:22,149 --> 00:13:24,020 And her offense was running an article 309 00:13:24,064 --> 00:13:25,195 about a vagina-shaped building. 310 00:13:25,239 --> 00:13:26,762 [woman] Because it was a joke. 311 00:13:26,806 --> 00:13:29,112 I was poking fun at the culture that we live in. 312 00:13:29,156 --> 00:13:30,940 [narrator] And what about the good things Hitler did? 313 00:13:30,984 --> 00:13:32,637 Rutgers University thought this 314 00:13:32,681 --> 00:13:34,814 April fool's article was anti-Semitic. 315 00:13:34,857 --> 00:13:36,816 So, what if the author is Jewish. 316 00:13:36,859 --> 00:13:38,861 This Syracuse University law student 317 00:13:38,905 --> 00:13:40,471 almost got kicked out of school 318 00:13:40,515 --> 00:13:42,169 because some people said his satirical blog 319 00:13:42,212 --> 00:13:43,431 was offensive. 320 00:13:43,474 --> 00:13:45,085 Members of the Tufts University 321 00:13:45,128 --> 00:13:47,696 rowing team were suspended for wearing this shirt 322 00:13:47,739 --> 00:13:50,438 as in coxswain, as in this guy. 323 00:13:50,481 --> 00:13:52,527 These days most colleges enforce strict speech codes 324 00:13:52,570 --> 00:13:54,094 that punish students for everything 325 00:13:54,137 --> 00:13:55,878 from telling jokes to committing the crime 326 00:13:55,922 --> 00:13:58,750 of inappropriately directed laughter. 327 00:13:58,794 --> 00:14:00,143 [Norton] Yeah, they're very uptight. 328 00:14:00,187 --> 00:14:02,058 You know, we interviewed Carlin in 2007 329 00:14:02,102 --> 00:14:04,191 and he said that, "I've been bashing colleges 330 00:14:04,234 --> 00:14:05,453 for years for that." 331 00:14:05,496 --> 00:14:07,672 And Carlin goes, "Man, I hate to say it, 332 00:14:07,716 --> 00:14:10,458 but all the censorship is coming from the left 333 00:14:10,501 --> 00:14:12,852 and it's coming from the college campuses." 334 00:14:12,895 --> 00:14:15,942 We all got to understand that we could expect 335 00:14:15,985 --> 00:14:17,639 censorship from the right wing, 336 00:14:17,682 --> 00:14:19,815 but to expect it from the left wing, 337 00:14:19,859 --> 00:14:22,078 from the politically correct people 338 00:14:22,122 --> 00:14:24,167 in the campuses, that caught me by surprise. 339 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:30,739 [Noam] Good evening everybody, 340 00:14:30,782 --> 00:14:32,349 welcome to the Comedy Cellar Show 341 00:14:32,393 --> 00:14:35,918 here on Channel 99, SiriusXM world of comedy hits. 342 00:14:35,962 --> 00:14:37,659 We have a very special guest here. 343 00:14:37,702 --> 00:14:39,922 So, this man has devoted his life, 344 00:14:39,966 --> 00:14:44,927 I'd say to free speech and he's quite an intersection 345 00:14:44,971 --> 00:14:46,886 with comedian. 346 00:14:46,929 --> 00:14:48,844 [narrator] Greg Lukianoff is the president of FIRE, 347 00:14:48,888 --> 00:14:51,629 the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, 348 00:14:51,673 --> 00:14:53,501 a national nonprofit that fights 349 00:14:53,544 --> 00:14:55,764 for free speech on college campuses. 350 00:14:55,807 --> 00:14:58,636 I interned at the ACLU of Northern California. 351 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,638 I studied the history of censorship, 352 00:15:00,682 --> 00:15:02,597 you know, going back to, like, the 16th century, 353 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,904 and nothing prepared me for how easy it is 354 00:15:04,947 --> 00:15:06,949 to get in trouble on the modern college campus. 355 00:15:06,993 --> 00:15:08,559 I think there is a direct line 356 00:15:08,603 --> 00:15:10,692 between the stuff that's going on in campuses 357 00:15:10,735 --> 00:15:12,999 and the idiots who I get angry emails from. 358 00:15:13,042 --> 00:15:14,957 [narrator] New York City's legendary Comedy Cellar 359 00:15:15,001 --> 00:15:17,438 has long been at the center of the stand-up world. 360 00:15:17,481 --> 00:15:19,831 Before performances, owner Noam Dworman 361 00:15:19,875 --> 00:15:22,486 hosts his SiriusXM Comedy Cellar Show. 362 00:15:22,530 --> 00:15:24,227 Everybody feels they have a right 363 00:15:24,271 --> 00:15:26,142 to be insulated from whatever it is 364 00:15:26,186 --> 00:15:27,752 they decide offends them, 365 00:15:27,796 --> 00:15:29,841 and we're getting emails all the time 366 00:15:29,885 --> 00:15:32,583 from customers and it-- and it boggles my mind. 367 00:15:32,627 --> 00:15:34,629 [man] But those customers have the right. 368 00:15:34,672 --> 00:15:36,718 If you--yeah, those customers have the right to send you emails 369 00:15:36,761 --> 00:15:38,894 -and they have the right to be offended. -They should also fucking 370 00:15:38,938 --> 00:15:41,070 stay home if they don't wanna hear 371 00:15:41,114 --> 00:15:42,202 this kind of humor. 372 00:15:50,688 --> 00:15:53,082 [Chris] I've gone on the Klu Klux Klan site 373 00:15:53,126 --> 00:15:54,997 to see some of their greatest jokes 374 00:15:55,041 --> 00:15:57,957 and I'd say about 10% of them are winners. 375 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,655 Absolutely have me rolling. 376 00:16:00,698 --> 00:16:02,352 90%, a little harsh. 377 00:16:04,528 --> 00:16:06,008 My name is Christopher Lee. 378 00:16:06,052 --> 00:16:08,489 I'm from Washington State University. 379 00:16:08,532 --> 00:16:10,447 I wrote a play called Passion of the Musical, 380 00:16:10,491 --> 00:16:12,188 which was about satire 381 00:16:12,232 --> 00:16:13,494 about the last two days of Jesus. 382 00:16:19,065 --> 00:16:20,414 [narrator] Lee cast himself in the role 383 00:16:20,457 --> 00:16:22,024 of a cross-dressing Satan. 384 00:16:22,068 --> 00:16:23,765 [Chris] This play was specifically designed 385 00:16:23,808 --> 00:16:24,679 to offend everyone. 386 00:16:33,688 --> 00:16:36,299 I went for the gold from whatever religion 387 00:16:36,343 --> 00:16:38,127 you were to whatever you believed in, 388 00:16:38,171 --> 00:16:40,260 to this country I love so dearly. 389 00:16:40,303 --> 00:16:43,176 I wanna write something that makes people go, 390 00:16:43,219 --> 00:16:44,525 "Yeah, that was hilarious," 391 00:16:44,568 --> 00:16:46,179 or they're so mad that they go, 392 00:16:46,222 --> 00:16:48,790 "I'll tell you why my religion is important, 393 00:16:48,833 --> 00:16:50,792 why women's rights is important." 394 00:16:50,835 --> 00:16:53,142 [Greg] Nobody could've done a better job of saying, 395 00:16:53,186 --> 00:16:54,578 "Hey, guys, if you don't wanna see 396 00:16:54,622 --> 00:16:56,189 an offensive comedy, 397 00:16:56,232 --> 00:16:58,060 don't come to this comedy musical 398 00:16:58,104 --> 00:16:59,496 because I wrote it with the intention 399 00:16:59,540 --> 00:17:00,845 of actually offending people." 400 00:17:00,889 --> 00:17:02,499 Everyone had to sign a contract 401 00:17:02,543 --> 00:17:04,936 coming into the show, knowing it would be offensive. 402 00:17:04,980 --> 00:17:06,808 On the door, there was all the words 403 00:17:06,851 --> 00:17:09,071 that I said including a giant banner that said, 404 00:17:09,115 --> 00:17:11,421 "A song contains the word cunt 24 times." 405 00:17:14,250 --> 00:17:15,817 [man] I'm offended. 406 00:17:17,862 --> 00:17:19,429 [audience laughing] 407 00:17:19,473 --> 00:17:21,301 [Chris] I had people who enjoyed certain parts. 408 00:17:21,344 --> 00:17:23,042 They liked the Latino sweeping 409 00:17:23,085 --> 00:17:26,219 the floor across the stage and taking a siesta. 410 00:17:26,262 --> 00:17:28,830 But when I have giant letters that spell out AIDS 411 00:17:28,873 --> 00:17:31,137 or cunt come across stage, you know, 412 00:17:31,180 --> 00:17:32,964 and then people going, "Well, that's not funny." 413 00:17:33,008 --> 00:17:34,575 And I was like, "I see so. 414 00:17:34,618 --> 00:17:37,273 As long as it doesn't touch home base on you, 415 00:17:37,317 --> 00:17:39,493 it's funny, but then as soon as it does, 416 00:17:39,536 --> 00:17:41,016 that's the most offensive outrageous things 417 00:17:41,060 --> 00:17:42,539 I've ever heard and you have no right 418 00:17:42,583 --> 00:17:44,411 -to ever say it." -He was a sociology student 419 00:17:44,454 --> 00:17:46,239 so he was kind of saying, "I'm gonna do this experiment. 420 00:17:46,282 --> 00:17:48,284 It's gonna show, like, we're all way too uptight. 421 00:17:48,328 --> 00:17:50,112 Everyone's gonna be getting along, it's gonna be fun, 422 00:17:50,156 --> 00:17:51,287 and it didn't quite work out that way." 423 00:17:58,164 --> 00:18:00,296 [all chattering] 424 00:18:00,340 --> 00:18:01,993 [Chris] The university has contacted me and said, 425 00:18:02,037 --> 00:18:03,952 "We have 40 people who'd like to see the show." 426 00:18:03,995 --> 00:18:06,520 As soon as the show started off, they started-- 427 00:18:06,563 --> 00:18:08,348 they handed out little fliers saying, 428 00:18:08,391 --> 00:18:10,872 "If they say something you don't like, 429 00:18:10,915 --> 00:18:12,482 stand up and say 'I'm offended'." 430 00:18:12,526 --> 00:18:15,137 And so, once the first song starts happening, 431 00:18:15,181 --> 00:18:16,573 people started saying, "I'm offended. 432 00:18:16,617 --> 00:18:17,487 I'm offended. I'm offended." 433 00:18:22,492 --> 00:18:23,841 And then the "I'm offended" 434 00:18:23,885 --> 00:18:24,929 changed into "You're gonna die. 435 00:18:24,973 --> 00:18:25,843 We're gonna get you." 436 00:18:29,064 --> 00:18:30,805 [Chris] The crowd had weapons. 437 00:18:30,848 --> 00:18:31,980 I actually lost two cast members. 438 00:18:32,023 --> 00:18:33,634 They ran outside. 439 00:18:33,677 --> 00:18:36,463 We had to call the police halfway through the show, 440 00:18:36,506 --> 00:18:38,117 and when we called the police 441 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:39,901 they're offended by the topics. 442 00:18:39,944 --> 00:18:41,903 So, the cops stopped my show 443 00:18:41,946 --> 00:18:43,687 and let me know that if I proceeded 444 00:18:43,731 --> 00:18:46,168 and the crowd got up and attacked, 445 00:18:46,212 --> 00:18:47,865 they would not help because they said 446 00:18:47,909 --> 00:18:50,346 I would be kind of riling them up. 447 00:18:50,390 --> 00:18:53,175 If I get attacked, the police would sit there, 448 00:18:53,219 --> 00:18:55,569 and I was like, I guess watch me get assaulted 449 00:18:55,612 --> 00:18:56,874 or whatever. 450 00:19:00,182 --> 00:19:02,097 [Karith] College is supposed to be this place 451 00:19:02,141 --> 00:19:05,274 where you go to grow, to explore, 452 00:19:05,318 --> 00:19:08,190 to learn, to express yourself. 453 00:19:08,234 --> 00:19:10,932 [narrator] Karith Foster performs at many top clubs, 454 00:19:10,975 --> 00:19:12,629 like The Laugh Factory in Hollywood 455 00:19:12,673 --> 00:19:14,588 and the Gotham Comedy Club in New York. 456 00:19:14,631 --> 00:19:15,806 I used to be able 457 00:19:15,850 --> 00:19:17,547 to describe myself in one word, 458 00:19:17,591 --> 00:19:20,594 I could tell you, people, I was a Huxtable, right? 459 00:19:20,637 --> 00:19:22,335 And people got it. 460 00:19:22,378 --> 00:19:24,728 Like, a year ago, people were like, "Oh, yeah. Sure. 461 00:19:24,772 --> 00:19:26,948 She comes from--in a fluent African-American family. 462 00:19:26,991 --> 00:19:28,689 Her parents are professionals." 463 00:19:28,732 --> 00:19:30,430 Now, I say that and people think my dad 464 00:19:30,473 --> 00:19:31,866 was feeding my Girl Scout troop. 465 00:19:31,909 --> 00:19:33,824 [audience laughing] 466 00:19:33,868 --> 00:19:35,870 [narrator] She's also on a mission to get colleges 467 00:19:35,913 --> 00:19:37,219 to loosen up. 468 00:19:37,263 --> 00:19:38,655 [cheers and applause] 469 00:19:40,614 --> 00:19:43,486 [Karith] I started a humorous diversity program 470 00:19:43,530 --> 00:19:45,923 that I take to colleges with a fellow comedian, 471 00:19:45,967 --> 00:19:47,273 a friend of mine, Adam Lehman, 472 00:19:47,316 --> 00:19:48,622 he's a gay comic. 473 00:19:48,665 --> 00:19:50,319 It's called Stereotype 101. 474 00:19:50,363 --> 00:19:52,408 The idea is to use humor 475 00:19:52,452 --> 00:19:55,063 to broach the sensitive topics. 476 00:19:55,106 --> 00:19:57,283 There were 1,200 people in my graduating class 477 00:19:57,326 --> 00:19:59,894 from high school, 12 of us were black. 478 00:19:59,937 --> 00:20:01,678 That's 1%. 479 00:20:01,722 --> 00:20:05,856 I had to import my prom date because I wanted a brown one. 480 00:20:05,900 --> 00:20:07,989 [narrator] Now, of course, it takes many years 481 00:20:08,032 --> 00:20:09,991 to learn how to make audiences laugh, 482 00:20:10,034 --> 00:20:12,036 and that's why Foster says schools 483 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:13,168 should cut student comedians 484 00:20:13,212 --> 00:20:14,996 lots of slack. 485 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:16,954 [Karith] Now, college is where you go to find out who you are. 486 00:20:16,998 --> 00:20:18,739 It's also where you find your voice. 487 00:20:18,782 --> 00:20:21,220 And, you know, that's a term we use in comedy as well, 488 00:20:21,263 --> 00:20:23,961 "Finding your voice," when you figure out, you know, 489 00:20:24,005 --> 00:20:25,049 your style. 490 00:20:32,796 --> 00:20:34,929 [narrator] Salvador Rodriguez is a student comedian 491 00:20:34,972 --> 00:20:37,279 at Reed College in Portland, Oregon. 492 00:20:37,323 --> 00:20:38,715 From the lush campus 493 00:20:38,759 --> 00:20:40,761 to the mostly white student body, 494 00:20:40,804 --> 00:20:43,720 the environment is quite a change for Rodriguez. 495 00:20:43,764 --> 00:20:45,505 [Salvador] My father came to the United States 496 00:20:45,548 --> 00:20:46,984 illegally from Mexico. 497 00:20:47,028 --> 00:20:49,552 I went to high school in South Los Angeles 498 00:20:49,596 --> 00:20:53,295 at a high school that was 70% black. 499 00:20:53,339 --> 00:20:55,166 Reed isn't very easy to make jokes about it 500 00:20:55,210 --> 00:20:57,473 because the people here, they have a lot of hang-ups 501 00:20:57,517 --> 00:20:58,822 about a lot of words. 502 00:21:01,303 --> 00:21:03,000 [Sean] Sal's style of humor 503 00:21:03,044 --> 00:21:05,568 is fairly confrontational. 504 00:21:05,612 --> 00:21:06,613 He likes to push buttons. 505 00:21:14,185 --> 00:21:16,275 [audience laughing] 506 00:21:16,318 --> 00:21:17,972 [narrator] The campus comedians enjoy performing 507 00:21:18,015 --> 00:21:20,409 risque routines, and they warn people 508 00:21:20,453 --> 00:21:22,716 who are easily offended to stay far away 509 00:21:22,759 --> 00:21:24,370 -from their shows. -[Sean] Please welcome 510 00:21:24,413 --> 00:21:25,371 Sal Rodriguez. 511 00:21:25,414 --> 00:21:27,024 [cheers and applause] 512 00:21:35,903 --> 00:21:37,600 [audience laughing] 513 00:21:37,644 --> 00:21:39,385 [narrator] This show included some things 514 00:21:39,428 --> 00:21:42,344 you probably won't see at your local comedy club. 515 00:21:42,388 --> 00:21:44,041 [Salvador] The performer before me 516 00:21:44,085 --> 00:21:46,130 got naked 517 00:21:46,174 --> 00:21:48,437 and performed his entire act completely nude. 518 00:21:48,481 --> 00:21:50,439 [narrator] The show chugged along through the nudity 519 00:21:50,483 --> 00:21:52,093 and Rodriguez's blue material, 520 00:21:52,136 --> 00:21:53,224 but when he started talking about 521 00:21:53,268 --> 00:21:54,835 the majors women choose, 522 00:21:54,878 --> 00:21:57,577 an audience member began heckling him. 523 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,684 [narrator] The heckling continued 524 00:22:17,727 --> 00:22:20,469 and Rodriguez kind of lost his patience. 525 00:22:20,513 --> 00:22:22,210 [Salvador] You fucking loudmouthed cunt. 526 00:22:22,253 --> 00:22:23,733 Keep your mouth shut. 527 00:22:23,777 --> 00:22:27,520 And it was at that point that she stormed the stage 528 00:22:27,563 --> 00:22:30,523 and she grabbed the mic away. 529 00:22:40,228 --> 00:22:41,490 [narrator] The following week, 530 00:22:41,534 --> 00:22:43,057 the school paper ran a piece 531 00:22:43,100 --> 00:22:44,928 that Rodriguez says got his act all wrong. 532 00:22:44,972 --> 00:22:46,713 Whether they had seen it or not, 533 00:22:46,756 --> 00:22:49,106 lots of students were offended. 534 00:22:49,150 --> 00:22:50,499 Well, he got a lot of lash back. 535 00:22:50,543 --> 00:22:52,196 The outcry at Reed was very much 536 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:53,676 against the speech that happened. 537 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,461 He's definitely gained a reputation 538 00:22:55,504 --> 00:22:56,723 as an asshole on campus. 539 00:22:56,766 --> 00:22:58,333 And I think that there should be 540 00:22:58,377 --> 00:22:59,856 some sort of check on whether that sort of thing 541 00:22:59,900 --> 00:23:01,510 should be allowed to happen again. 542 00:23:01,554 --> 00:23:03,033 [Salvador] I yelled back at a--at a heckler. 543 00:23:03,077 --> 00:23:04,644 In comedy clubs 544 00:23:04,687 --> 00:23:06,472 it's well established that if you're a heckler 545 00:23:06,515 --> 00:23:07,734 you can be yelled at. 546 00:23:07,777 --> 00:23:09,518 [narrator] But the administration 547 00:23:09,562 --> 00:23:12,216 launched an investigation, accusing him of offenses 548 00:23:12,260 --> 00:23:13,870 like directing a hostile comment 549 00:23:13,914 --> 00:23:15,263 at a female student, 550 00:23:15,306 --> 00:23:16,873 and the Feminist Student Union 551 00:23:16,917 --> 00:23:18,658 held a support group for those traumatized 552 00:23:18,701 --> 00:23:19,920 by his act. 553 00:23:19,963 --> 00:23:21,487 There's a support group. 554 00:23:21,530 --> 00:23:23,445 Well, I hope that whoever ran the support group 555 00:23:23,489 --> 00:23:26,970 for those students told them to get over it, 556 00:23:27,014 --> 00:23:29,495 told them that this guy, whatever he said, 557 00:23:29,538 --> 00:23:31,932 if it upset them, then he was being a jackass 558 00:23:31,975 --> 00:23:34,413 and don't go to any more of his shows. 559 00:23:34,456 --> 00:23:36,371 I actually went to the second oldest women's college 560 00:23:36,415 --> 00:23:37,503 in the country, Stephens. 561 00:23:37,546 --> 00:23:38,852 And one of the things 562 00:23:38,895 --> 00:23:40,506 that I appreciated about that school 563 00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:45,075 is that it was so not about being a victim, 564 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:46,425 it was so about being powerful. 565 00:23:49,340 --> 00:23:50,951 As a mother of two daughters, 566 00:23:50,994 --> 00:23:54,563 I don't want anyone's words 567 00:23:54,607 --> 00:23:57,827 to affect who they become as adults. 568 00:23:57,871 --> 00:24:00,221 I want them to be confident and strong 569 00:24:00,264 --> 00:24:01,788 in who they are, 570 00:24:01,831 --> 00:24:04,355 and not be deterred 571 00:24:04,399 --> 00:24:07,489 by other people's stereotypes, 572 00:24:07,533 --> 00:24:09,709 other people's ignorance. 573 00:24:14,017 --> 00:24:16,280 [narrator] Back at Washington State University, 574 00:24:16,324 --> 00:24:19,022 Chris Lee discovered a little something new 575 00:24:19,066 --> 00:24:22,243 about the audience members who shouted down his musical. 576 00:24:22,286 --> 00:24:23,418 [Chris] I didn't know it at the time, 577 00:24:23,462 --> 00:24:24,767 but later we figured out 578 00:24:24,811 --> 00:24:26,421 that the university paid these people 579 00:24:26,465 --> 00:24:29,163 to come into my show and shout it down. 580 00:24:29,206 --> 00:24:30,730 They came in there to shut down my show. 581 00:24:49,226 --> 00:24:51,011 [narrator] It's actually pretty common 582 00:24:51,054 --> 00:24:53,404 to see students shouting down speakers. 583 00:24:57,408 --> 00:24:58,366 [woman] Shut your mouth! 584 00:24:58,409 --> 00:25:00,455 [cheers and applause] 585 00:25:00,499 --> 00:25:01,587 [Noam] Shouting someone down-- 586 00:25:01,630 --> 00:25:03,458 Shouting someone down. Yeah-- 587 00:25:03,502 --> 00:25:05,286 -...is not freedom of speech. -No, it's mob censorship. 588 00:25:05,329 --> 00:25:08,463 And it's kind of like students going, 589 00:25:08,507 --> 00:25:11,510 "Hey, there's two sides to each story? 590 00:25:11,553 --> 00:25:13,642 I don't want to hear the other side." 591 00:25:13,686 --> 00:25:14,904 [Lisa] When I hear a story 592 00:25:14,948 --> 00:25:16,863 about this Chris Lee, 593 00:25:16,906 --> 00:25:19,605 it's just clear bullying and threats to a comic. 594 00:25:19,648 --> 00:25:21,737 [narrator] Today, many students hold their tongues 595 00:25:21,781 --> 00:25:23,913 because they don't want to anger the outrage mob. 596 00:25:23,957 --> 00:25:25,611 [Greg] In a 2010 study, 597 00:25:25,654 --> 00:25:28,744 they asked 25,000 students, "Is it safe to merely hold 598 00:25:28,788 --> 00:25:30,006 unpopular points of view on campus?" 599 00:25:30,050 --> 00:25:31,268 This is the kind of question you ask 600 00:25:31,312 --> 00:25:32,574 when you want a hundred percent 601 00:25:32,618 --> 00:25:33,793 of people saying, "Well, yeah, sure, 602 00:25:33,836 --> 00:25:35,403 it's safe to hold them." 603 00:25:35,446 --> 00:25:37,274 Only 40% of students 604 00:25:37,318 --> 00:25:38,667 strongly agreed with the statement 605 00:25:38,711 --> 00:25:40,147 that it's safe to merely hold 606 00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:42,236 unpopular points of view on campus. 607 00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:43,759 But guess what? 608 00:25:43,803 --> 00:25:46,632 Every single year, that number went down. 609 00:25:46,675 --> 00:25:48,895 By senior year, only 30% strongly agreed 610 00:25:48,938 --> 00:25:50,244 with the statement that it's safe to hold 611 00:25:50,287 --> 00:25:51,724 unpopular points of view on campus. 612 00:25:51,767 --> 00:25:53,160 [Chris] They were calling me Black Hitler 613 00:25:53,203 --> 00:25:55,466 because the Jews weren't safe, 614 00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:57,991 the blacks weren't safe, no one--no women weren't safe. 615 00:25:58,034 --> 00:26:00,254 They said I was so outrageous that they were willing 616 00:26:00,297 --> 00:26:04,127 to compare me to someone who did such atrocities. 617 00:26:12,048 --> 00:26:13,702 [Chris] I'd let them know when I arrived on campus. 618 00:26:13,746 --> 00:26:14,921 They'd come. 619 00:26:14,964 --> 00:26:16,792 They'd make sure I got to class, 620 00:26:16,836 --> 00:26:18,838 but they were like, "People are just expressing themselves. 621 00:26:18,881 --> 00:26:20,230 They were kind of outraged with you. 622 00:26:20,274 --> 00:26:21,667 They're not going to do anything." 623 00:26:21,710 --> 00:26:23,799 I was like, "Well, why do I have security?" 624 00:26:23,843 --> 00:26:27,934 It's like they literally endangered the kids' life, you know? 625 00:26:27,977 --> 00:26:30,893 And it's just evil, and it's manipulative, 626 00:26:30,937 --> 00:26:33,504 and awful, and I hope they get AIDS. 627 00:26:33,548 --> 00:26:34,810 No, I do. 628 00:26:34,854 --> 00:26:36,290 If you're listening, hi, AIDS. 629 00:26:36,333 --> 00:26:37,204 Go attack those people. 630 00:27:00,401 --> 00:27:01,707 [narrator] Lenny had become so consumed 631 00:27:01,750 --> 00:27:03,317 with his legal troubles 632 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:04,840 that he began to read court transcripts 633 00:27:04,884 --> 00:27:06,712 from his cases during performances. 634 00:27:15,459 --> 00:27:17,418 And it--here it is. Oh, yeah. 635 00:27:22,945 --> 00:27:24,425 [narrator] He figured the court system 636 00:27:24,468 --> 00:27:26,079 wouldn't grant him a fair hearing, 637 00:27:26,122 --> 00:27:29,299 so he pled his case to audiences instead. 638 00:27:29,343 --> 00:27:30,344 [Ron] He'd been busted 639 00:27:30,387 --> 00:27:32,085 in San Francisco. 640 00:27:32,128 --> 00:27:33,869 He's busted in Los Angeles. 641 00:27:33,913 --> 00:27:35,610 He's busted in Chicago. 642 00:27:35,654 --> 00:27:38,178 So, by the time he gets to New York, 643 00:27:38,221 --> 00:27:40,876 you know, his reputation has spread 644 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,704 and the police are there 645 00:27:42,748 --> 00:27:44,880 that night at the Cafe au Go-Go. 646 00:27:44,924 --> 00:27:46,752 [narrator] New York prosecutor, Richard Kuh, 647 00:27:46,795 --> 00:27:48,101 had been expecting Lenny. 648 00:27:48,144 --> 00:27:51,495 [Ron] He was absolutely determined 649 00:27:51,539 --> 00:27:53,280 to send Lenny Bruce to jail. 650 00:27:53,323 --> 00:27:55,456 [narrator] Bob Dylan, Woody Allen, 651 00:27:55,499 --> 00:27:58,067 James Baldwin, and other famous artists 652 00:27:58,111 --> 00:27:59,634 testified on his behalf, 653 00:27:59,678 --> 00:28:01,244 during a trial that would last 654 00:28:01,288 --> 00:28:02,593 for six months. 655 00:28:02,637 --> 00:28:03,769 It's amazing. 656 00:28:03,812 --> 00:28:05,466 I mean, for a few dirty words, 657 00:28:05,509 --> 00:28:07,555 I mean, you know, all sorts of expert witnesses, 658 00:28:07,598 --> 00:28:09,818 three judges, three. 659 00:28:09,862 --> 00:28:11,211 [narrator] The long trial 660 00:28:11,254 --> 00:28:13,561 had taken a mental toll on Lenny. 661 00:28:13,604 --> 00:28:15,345 He became increasingly obsessed 662 00:28:15,389 --> 00:28:17,478 with vindicating himself and his comedy. 663 00:28:17,521 --> 00:28:19,175 He grew desperate, fired his lawyers, 664 00:28:19,219 --> 00:28:20,568 and delivered 665 00:28:20,611 --> 00:28:22,222 the closing arguments himself. 666 00:28:22,265 --> 00:28:25,704 [Ron] The trial was both comic and tragic. 667 00:28:25,747 --> 00:28:27,749 [narrator] On November 4th, 1964, 668 00:28:27,793 --> 00:28:30,447 Lenny Bruce was found guilty of obscenity. 669 00:28:30,491 --> 00:28:32,841 He was sentenced to four months behind bars. 670 00:28:32,885 --> 00:28:34,756 But before being taken into custody, 671 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,323 he fled to Los Angeles 672 00:28:36,366 --> 00:28:38,586 in an attempt to preserve his freedom. 673 00:28:49,553 --> 00:28:50,946 [Ron] He was convicted 674 00:28:50,990 --> 00:28:53,601 for using four letter words in a comedy club 675 00:28:53,644 --> 00:28:56,647 in Greenwich Village after midnight. 676 00:28:56,691 --> 00:28:58,780 A, B, and C, and we're gonna enforce a rule because... 677 00:28:58,824 --> 00:28:59,955 [Ron] Lenny Bruce 678 00:28:59,999 --> 00:29:01,870 is at the end of his rope. 679 00:29:01,914 --> 00:29:04,177 They're about to foreclose on his home. 680 00:29:04,220 --> 00:29:05,744 He doesn't have any money. 681 00:29:05,787 --> 00:29:07,223 He can't get a job anywhere 682 00:29:07,267 --> 00:29:08,703 because of all these obscenity prosecutions. 683 00:29:13,839 --> 00:29:15,536 [Ron] He's got a pretty serious drug problem 684 00:29:15,579 --> 00:29:17,538 and a pretty serious depression problem. 685 00:29:17,581 --> 00:29:20,410 You mix them all together, 686 00:29:20,454 --> 00:29:21,629 you know what happens. 687 00:29:24,850 --> 00:29:26,895 [narrator] Lenny Bruce died of a drug overdose 688 00:29:26,939 --> 00:29:29,855 on August 3rd, 1966. 689 00:29:29,898 --> 00:29:31,682 He was 40 years old. 690 00:29:31,726 --> 00:29:33,684 ♪ All alone 691 00:29:34,816 --> 00:29:37,471 ♪ All alone 692 00:29:37,514 --> 00:29:39,560 ♪ I'll be rich 693 00:29:39,603 --> 00:29:42,302 ♪ But so 694 00:29:42,345 --> 00:29:45,522 ♪ All alone 695 00:29:52,791 --> 00:29:55,445 [Ron] But within a year after his death, 696 00:29:55,489 --> 00:29:57,491 this great Phoenix rises. 697 00:29:59,058 --> 00:30:00,450 There was a movie about Lenny Bruce 698 00:30:00,494 --> 00:30:01,625 with Dustin Hoffman. 699 00:30:01,669 --> 00:30:02,626 [man] He was a comic. 700 00:30:02,670 --> 00:30:03,976 A cynic. A satirist. 701 00:30:04,019 --> 00:30:05,542 A criminal. A genius. 702 00:30:05,586 --> 00:30:06,848 [Dustin] Have you ever seen so much blue 703 00:30:06,892 --> 00:30:09,329 in all your life? 704 00:30:09,372 --> 00:30:11,766 [man] Newsweek described his cause of death 705 00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:13,463 as an overdose of police. 706 00:30:13,507 --> 00:30:15,639 [Ron] And he becomes this great American icon. 707 00:30:15,683 --> 00:30:19,730 ♪ Lenny Bruce was trying to tell you ♪ 708 00:30:19,774 --> 00:30:22,168 ♪ Many things before he died ♪ 709 00:30:22,211 --> 00:30:23,734 ♪ All that was covered by Lenny Bruce ♪ 710 00:30:23,778 --> 00:30:25,258 ♪ Back in the day 711 00:30:25,301 --> 00:30:28,522 ♪ Lenny Bruce declares a truce ♪ 712 00:30:28,565 --> 00:30:33,527 ♪ Lenny Bruce is gone 713 00:30:33,570 --> 00:30:36,922 ♪ But his spirit's living on ♪ 714 00:30:36,965 --> 00:30:38,967 ♪ And on 715 00:30:39,011 --> 00:30:40,577 Your heroes can only be as good 716 00:30:40,621 --> 00:30:42,666 as your villains, right? 717 00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:44,755 So, Lenny Bruce 718 00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:48,455 had the United States government to go up against. 719 00:30:48,498 --> 00:30:50,805 To keep going with a bit 720 00:30:50,849 --> 00:30:52,676 knowing where you're about to go. 721 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:53,764 He didn't care. 722 00:30:53,808 --> 00:30:55,505 He did--he still did his bit, 723 00:30:55,549 --> 00:30:59,074 like, that's outrageously awesome to me. 724 00:30:59,118 --> 00:31:01,381 I'm ashamed of my country 725 00:31:01,424 --> 00:31:02,904 for doing that. 726 00:31:02,948 --> 00:31:04,123 I am-- 727 00:31:05,254 --> 00:31:07,648 I am disgusted 728 00:31:07,691 --> 00:31:09,302 that that happened. 729 00:31:09,345 --> 00:31:11,739 My sympathy and my empathy and my heart is with Lenny 730 00:31:11,782 --> 00:31:14,133 that he had to go through that, 731 00:31:14,176 --> 00:31:18,006 but motherfucker is that cool. 732 00:31:18,050 --> 00:31:19,355 Doing your show 733 00:31:19,399 --> 00:31:21,314 with cops on the side of the stage? 734 00:31:21,357 --> 00:31:24,143 Fucking beat that anybody ever! 735 00:31:24,186 --> 00:31:25,709 [man] It is now my pleasure 736 00:31:25,753 --> 00:31:28,277 to introduce to you Mr. Lenny Bruce. 737 00:31:28,321 --> 00:31:29,583 [applause] 738 00:31:29,626 --> 00:31:31,802 [Ron] The last routine Lenny did, 739 00:31:31,846 --> 00:31:33,239 it was at UCLA. 740 00:31:33,282 --> 00:31:35,110 I will tell you this, there was any number 741 00:31:35,154 --> 00:31:37,025 of Lenny Bruce's routines 742 00:31:37,069 --> 00:31:38,679 though totally protected by the First Amendment 743 00:31:38,722 --> 00:31:41,464 that if he did them on a number campuses today, 744 00:31:41,508 --> 00:31:42,509 they would shut it down. 745 00:31:42,552 --> 00:31:43,814 I don't think any college 746 00:31:43,858 --> 00:31:45,251 would allow Lenny Bruce to come 747 00:31:45,294 --> 00:31:46,861 -and perform there. -They would hate him. 748 00:31:46,905 --> 00:31:48,863 Lenny Bruce would not last a minute 749 00:31:48,907 --> 00:31:50,430 on the modern college campus. 750 00:31:50,473 --> 00:31:52,258 [Norton] Because they had become what they hated. 751 00:31:52,301 --> 00:31:54,738 You know, they had become the speech repressors. 752 00:31:54,782 --> 00:31:57,480 They had become the free thought policers. 753 00:32:14,019 --> 00:32:16,760 [Greg] And he also ended up being a great figure 754 00:32:16,804 --> 00:32:18,371 in the fight against obscenity laws, 755 00:32:18,414 --> 00:32:19,938 against the idea that we-- 756 00:32:19,981 --> 00:32:22,244 that the government should be policing speech. 757 00:32:22,288 --> 00:32:26,074 So, he really ended up being a very influential figure, 758 00:32:26,118 --> 00:32:27,989 not just for every comedian that's come after him, 759 00:32:28,033 --> 00:32:29,208 but for a generation 760 00:32:29,251 --> 00:32:31,427 of First Amendment lawyers too. 761 00:32:31,471 --> 00:32:33,255 [narrator] Lukianoff says Lenny wasn't just fighting 762 00:32:33,299 --> 00:32:34,691 for the First Amendment, 763 00:32:34,735 --> 00:32:36,041 he was fighting for something more. 764 00:32:36,084 --> 00:32:37,912 He was fighting for free speech. 765 00:32:37,956 --> 00:32:39,131 Free speech and the First Amendment 766 00:32:39,174 --> 00:32:40,697 are not the same thing. 767 00:32:40,741 --> 00:32:44,179 And actually, the bigger, more beautiful, bolder, 768 00:32:44,223 --> 00:32:46,790 braver concept is free speech. 769 00:32:46,834 --> 00:32:48,009 And it requires a certain amount 770 00:32:48,053 --> 00:32:49,837 of tolerance and a recognition 771 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,927 that you almost certainly don't know everything 772 00:32:52,971 --> 00:32:55,843 and that you can still learn from hearing people out. 773 00:32:55,886 --> 00:32:59,890 The problem is that as a society, 774 00:32:59,934 --> 00:33:02,371 we haven't really learned deeply 775 00:33:02,415 --> 00:33:03,590 that the solution to bad speech 776 00:33:03,633 --> 00:33:04,983 is more speech. 777 00:33:05,026 --> 00:33:06,593 You know, you have to go to Jonathan Rauch. 778 00:33:10,945 --> 00:33:12,512 [Jonathan] The First Amendment, 779 00:33:12,555 --> 00:33:14,557 although it's necessary, it's not sufficient. 780 00:33:14,601 --> 00:33:17,386 It has to rest on a social foundation 781 00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:19,214 of First Amendment values. 782 00:33:19,258 --> 00:33:22,087 That is people who understand, who get the idea, 783 00:33:22,130 --> 00:33:24,393 the critical exchange of speech, 784 00:33:24,437 --> 00:33:25,829 often hurtful speech, 785 00:33:25,873 --> 00:33:28,049 wrongheaded speech, even hateful speech. 786 00:33:28,093 --> 00:33:30,617 Airing those ideas strengthen society 787 00:33:30,660 --> 00:33:31,922 in the long run. 788 00:33:31,966 --> 00:33:34,882 If people don't have that idea 789 00:33:34,925 --> 00:33:36,884 in their hearts, then having it in the law 790 00:33:36,927 --> 00:33:38,190 is not enough. 791 00:33:39,756 --> 00:33:41,715 I'm the author of a book called 792 00:33:41,758 --> 00:33:44,544 Kindly Inquisitors: The New Attacks on Free Thought. 793 00:33:44,587 --> 00:33:47,155 And I'm a senior fellow at a think tank called 794 00:33:47,199 --> 00:33:48,417 the Brookings Institution. 795 00:33:48,461 --> 00:33:49,853 [man] Because the Americans 796 00:33:49,897 --> 00:33:51,681 -love democracy and... -[man] Oh, I see. 797 00:33:51,725 --> 00:33:52,900 That's one reason. 798 00:33:52,943 --> 00:33:54,293 -Also... -[Jonathan] In any society 799 00:33:54,336 --> 00:33:57,209 that is free enough to produce open debate, 800 00:33:57,252 --> 00:33:58,732 it's also going to be free enough 801 00:33:58,775 --> 00:34:01,169 so that some of us at any given time 802 00:34:01,213 --> 00:34:02,736 are going to feel really upset. 803 00:34:02,779 --> 00:34:04,955 [bleep] this [bleep] and their [bleep] yachts. 804 00:34:04,999 --> 00:34:07,480 They aren't in here and they are not in our country! 805 00:34:07,523 --> 00:34:09,221 [Jonathan] And no, that's not a great thing. 806 00:34:09,264 --> 00:34:11,875 -It's a necessary thing. -Get the [bleep] out of here. 807 00:34:11,919 --> 00:34:14,487 Get the [bleep] out of here. This is ours. 808 00:34:14,530 --> 00:34:15,836 [Jonathan] Being hurt by words 809 00:34:15,879 --> 00:34:18,099 is part of how we build knowledge 810 00:34:18,143 --> 00:34:21,059 and it's our duty to, I think, accept that 811 00:34:21,102 --> 00:34:22,060 in a free society. 812 00:34:22,103 --> 00:34:23,757 You parasite socialists! 813 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,237 [narrator] Free speech isn't always pretty, 814 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,934 but it makes life better. 815 00:34:26,977 --> 00:34:28,109 Ideas clash and the worst ones 816 00:34:28,153 --> 00:34:29,415 get tossed aside. 817 00:34:29,458 --> 00:34:31,025 Many advancements are the result 818 00:34:31,069 --> 00:34:33,114 of heated debates, debates that offended 819 00:34:33,158 --> 00:34:34,898 -lots of people. -[Jonathan] I grew up 820 00:34:34,942 --> 00:34:37,597 as a gay American in the '60s and '70s 821 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,033 at a time where just saying 822 00:34:39,077 --> 00:34:40,991 you were gay or being for gay rights 823 00:34:41,035 --> 00:34:42,558 could cost you your job. 824 00:34:42,602 --> 00:34:44,821 We were actually considered mentally disordered 825 00:34:44,865 --> 00:34:46,127 and thrown into asylums. 826 00:34:46,171 --> 00:34:47,476 [man] One never knows 827 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,217 when the homosexual is about. 828 00:34:49,261 --> 00:34:51,915 He may appear normal and it may be too late 829 00:34:51,959 --> 00:34:53,874 when you discover he is mentally ill. 830 00:34:53,917 --> 00:34:55,397 [Jonathan] We dealt with terrorism 831 00:34:55,441 --> 00:34:57,182 and violence on the streets. 832 00:34:57,225 --> 00:34:58,705 If you called the police, 833 00:34:58,748 --> 00:35:00,837 they wouldn't help you because, you know, 834 00:35:00,881 --> 00:35:02,448 you were a queer, you were a faggot. 835 00:35:02,491 --> 00:35:04,624 We didn't have votes. We didn't have support. 836 00:35:04,667 --> 00:35:06,669 We were hiding in the closet. 837 00:35:06,713 --> 00:35:08,193 The one thing we had, 838 00:35:08,236 --> 00:35:09,324 the only thing we had 839 00:35:09,368 --> 00:35:10,717 was our voices. 840 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,110 [narrator] Activists spoke up. 841 00:35:12,153 --> 00:35:13,763 They persuaded more and more people 842 00:35:13,807 --> 00:35:15,765 that laws should protect everyone equally. 843 00:35:15,809 --> 00:35:17,506 The gay rights movement has come a long way 844 00:35:17,550 --> 00:35:18,899 since the '60s, 845 00:35:18,942 --> 00:35:21,031 but gays still face hostility. 846 00:35:40,138 --> 00:35:41,878 Do I like that the Westboro Baptist Church 847 00:35:41,922 --> 00:35:43,880 is allowed to say, "God hates fags," 848 00:35:43,924 --> 00:35:45,752 and "God hates the military," and blah, blah, blah? 849 00:35:45,795 --> 00:35:47,580 The Episcopal church is a fag church. 850 00:35:47,623 --> 00:35:49,190 [narrator] Members of the tiny 851 00:35:49,234 --> 00:35:51,453 Westboro Baptist Church get lots of publicity 852 00:35:51,497 --> 00:35:53,194 for their outlandish protests. 853 00:35:53,238 --> 00:35:55,501 This kind of hate speech is legal and Rauch says 854 00:35:55,544 --> 00:35:57,416 -that's actually good for gays. -[man] And there it says, 855 00:35:57,459 --> 00:35:59,548 -"Fags are the--are beasts." -[man] Okay. 856 00:35:59,592 --> 00:36:01,289 [Jonathan] There is only one way 857 00:36:01,333 --> 00:36:04,771 to counter bad ideas and it is with good ideas 858 00:36:04,814 --> 00:36:06,599 and you cannot do that 859 00:36:06,642 --> 00:36:07,904 unless you're able to confront 860 00:36:07,948 --> 00:36:09,079 the bad ideas. 861 00:36:09,123 --> 00:36:10,255 And it kind of makes me mad. 862 00:36:10,298 --> 00:36:11,691 We have free speech and I go, 863 00:36:11,734 --> 00:36:12,996 "But wait a minute, we have to have it." 864 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,650 [Jonathan] The society that tries 865 00:36:14,694 --> 00:36:19,002 to bury under the rug bad ideas is condemning itself 866 00:36:19,046 --> 00:36:21,657 to live in a future with these bad ideas. 867 00:36:21,701 --> 00:36:22,658 [crowd] We're here, 868 00:36:22,702 --> 00:36:23,920 we're queer, 869 00:36:23,964 --> 00:36:25,618 -we take it in the rear! -[Lisa] Hey! 870 00:36:25,661 --> 00:36:27,097 [narrator] When the church threatened 871 00:36:27,141 --> 00:36:28,447 to protest one of Lisa's shows, 872 00:36:28,490 --> 00:36:29,970 she said, "Bring it on." 873 00:36:30,013 --> 00:36:32,102 Promising to donate a thousand bucks 874 00:36:32,146 --> 00:36:33,408 to a pro-gay charity 875 00:36:33,452 --> 00:36:35,932 for each protester who showed up. 876 00:36:35,976 --> 00:36:37,499 [Lisa] These assholes 877 00:36:37,543 --> 00:36:38,761 have contributed 878 00:36:38,805 --> 00:36:40,372 to the Gay Men's Health Crisis. 879 00:36:40,415 --> 00:36:42,504 [narrator] Turns out 50 protesters showed, 880 00:36:42,548 --> 00:36:45,638 so Lisa cut a check for 50 grand. 881 00:36:45,681 --> 00:36:47,466 [crowd cheering] 882 00:36:47,509 --> 00:36:48,815 [Lisa] They have their own special sign 883 00:36:48,858 --> 00:36:50,947 for me by the way, "God hates Lisa." 884 00:36:50,991 --> 00:36:52,645 And has a picture of a gorilla in a dress 885 00:36:52,688 --> 00:36:54,516 with a wig which is fantastic. 886 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,083 I always-- I think you made it 887 00:36:56,126 --> 00:36:58,607 when the WBC makes you a hate-filled sign. 888 00:36:58,651 --> 00:37:00,566 Hi, fag haters! 889 00:37:00,609 --> 00:37:02,916 Everybody wave bye the fag haters! 890 00:37:02,959 --> 00:37:04,700 [cheering] 891 00:37:04,744 --> 00:37:06,224 [Jonathan] I am actually grateful 892 00:37:06,267 --> 00:37:09,357 that the Westboro Baptist Church exists 893 00:37:09,401 --> 00:37:10,967 to be complete idiots 894 00:37:11,011 --> 00:37:13,579 because every day they do that, 895 00:37:13,622 --> 00:37:14,971 they use their voices 896 00:37:15,015 --> 00:37:17,496 to demonstrate how pitiable they are 897 00:37:17,539 --> 00:37:18,975 and why gay people 898 00:37:19,019 --> 00:37:20,150 are making the better argument. 899 00:37:23,980 --> 00:37:26,592 [Penn] The most important thing to a society, 900 00:37:26,635 --> 00:37:28,724 what makes a society, is the-- 901 00:37:28,768 --> 00:37:30,248 is the exchange of ideas. 902 00:37:30,291 --> 00:37:32,337 Free speech is important, I think, because, 903 00:37:32,380 --> 00:37:34,295 like, that's the thing that makes us who we are. 904 00:37:34,339 --> 00:37:36,341 I think free speech is important for society 905 00:37:36,384 --> 00:37:38,081 because that's the only way change happens. 906 00:37:38,125 --> 00:37:42,303 Free speech is extremely important 907 00:37:42,347 --> 00:37:44,392 because me being a Jew, 908 00:37:44,436 --> 00:37:48,004 I don't want to have to pay for speech. 909 00:37:48,048 --> 00:37:50,180 I want free speech. 910 00:37:50,224 --> 00:37:52,792 I want the kind of speech 911 00:37:52,835 --> 00:37:55,185 where not only do you get free speech, 912 00:37:55,229 --> 00:37:57,753 but they throw in a limerick 913 00:37:57,797 --> 00:38:00,321 and a witty remark with it. 914 00:38:00,365 --> 00:38:03,019 I want a whole bargain package. 915 00:38:03,063 --> 00:38:04,760 [laughs] 916 00:38:12,768 --> 00:38:14,596 [Heather] You know, the whole point is 917 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,119 if you're easily offended, please don't come 918 00:38:16,163 --> 00:38:17,425 to a comedy show. 919 00:38:17,469 --> 00:38:19,035 Like, this is not the thing for you. 920 00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:21,995 When the other moms invite you, please pass. 921 00:38:22,038 --> 00:38:23,605 [applause] 922 00:38:23,649 --> 00:38:26,129 I also have a beautiful stepdaughter 923 00:38:26,173 --> 00:38:27,348 and she's beautiful, 924 00:38:27,392 --> 00:38:28,828 she's actually half Vietnamese, 925 00:38:28,871 --> 00:38:30,699 so yes, I do enjoy the free foot massages 926 00:38:30,743 --> 00:38:32,005 every other weekend. 927 00:38:32,048 --> 00:38:34,312 -Thank you. -[audience laughing] 928 00:38:34,355 --> 00:38:35,704 Now I get them all the time 929 00:38:35,748 --> 00:38:37,315 because she lives with us full-time and. 930 00:38:37,358 --> 00:38:39,665 Um... 931 00:38:39,708 --> 00:38:42,494 and, you know, even though she lives with us, 932 00:38:42,537 --> 00:38:43,712 her mom will still call 933 00:38:43,756 --> 00:38:45,279 and leave me a million messages 934 00:38:45,323 --> 00:38:47,629 about how to feed her and I'll have--in, like, 935 00:38:47,673 --> 00:38:49,239 two days, I'll get six messages 936 00:38:49,283 --> 00:38:50,589 that goes something like this, 937 00:38:50,632 --> 00:38:52,808 "Hi, I'm McKinsey mom, 938 00:38:52,852 --> 00:38:54,114 I'm just calling to make sure 939 00:38:54,157 --> 00:38:56,072 that you give McKinsey broccoli. 940 00:38:56,116 --> 00:38:59,946 She like a healthy food. She like a healthy broccoli. 941 00:38:59,989 --> 00:39:01,339 Don't you just give a hotdog and popcorn 942 00:39:01,382 --> 00:39:03,689 like you give to your boy. 943 00:39:03,732 --> 00:39:05,778 And you can afford it. You can afford it. 944 00:39:05,821 --> 00:39:08,128 You tell Peter he can afford it." 945 00:39:08,171 --> 00:39:09,825 [audience laughing] 946 00:39:09,869 --> 00:39:11,392 [narrator] Heather McDonald did that bit 947 00:39:11,436 --> 00:39:12,872 at a different performance and learned 948 00:39:12,915 --> 00:39:14,613 she had offended an audience member. 949 00:39:14,656 --> 00:39:16,136 [Heather] And this woman came up to me after 950 00:39:16,179 --> 00:39:17,964 and she goes, "I think you're so funny. 951 00:39:18,007 --> 00:39:20,880 I just really find the accent really offensive." 952 00:39:20,923 --> 00:39:22,403 And she was white. 953 00:39:22,447 --> 00:39:24,405 I said, "Well, I'm sorry you feel that way. 954 00:39:24,449 --> 00:39:27,147 It's based on a real person. That's exactly how she sounds. 955 00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:30,411 I'm imitating a person to tell a true story better." 956 00:39:30,455 --> 00:39:32,195 [narrator] Sometimes, nervous show producers 957 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,677 sanitize performances before audiences see them. 958 00:39:35,721 --> 00:39:37,331 McDonald remembers one time 959 00:39:37,375 --> 00:39:39,115 when she was performing with an improv group. 960 00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:41,117 [Heather] I wanted to do this girl 961 00:39:41,161 --> 00:39:42,945 that I had seen on a talk show 962 00:39:42,989 --> 00:39:44,817 who was clearly white, 963 00:39:44,860 --> 00:39:48,037 but spoke like she was a Latina gang member 964 00:39:48,081 --> 00:39:50,388 and I just thought it was a funny character, 965 00:39:50,431 --> 00:39:51,650 like a Jerry Springer type character. 966 00:39:51,693 --> 00:39:52,825 [narrator] But that character made 967 00:39:52,868 --> 00:39:54,043 the producer uncomfortable. 968 00:39:54,087 --> 00:39:55,567 [Heather] And she said, "Well, 969 00:39:55,610 --> 00:39:59,005 if you're going to do an accent or ethnicity, 970 00:39:59,048 --> 00:40:02,225 make it be somebody that's not finan-- 971 00:40:02,269 --> 00:40:04,445 economically beneath a white person." 972 00:40:04,489 --> 00:40:06,534 So, make fun of the French. 973 00:40:06,578 --> 00:40:08,449 I'm like, "I don't find the French funny." 974 00:40:08,493 --> 00:40:10,233 [narrator] And as Noam Dworman's co-host, 975 00:40:10,277 --> 00:40:11,974 Dan Naturman knows 976 00:40:12,018 --> 00:40:13,759 changing your act is no guarantee 977 00:40:13,802 --> 00:40:15,238 that you'll avoid offending someone. 978 00:40:15,282 --> 00:40:16,675 Dan was on America's Got Talent 979 00:40:16,718 --> 00:40:19,199 and he told a joke 980 00:40:19,242 --> 00:40:21,375 that had the word German in it. 981 00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:23,812 It was not a joke at anybody German's expense. 982 00:40:23,856 --> 00:40:25,510 He had to pick a country. 983 00:40:25,553 --> 00:40:27,207 Actually, at the club, he doesn't even use German, 984 00:40:27,250 --> 00:40:29,209 he uses Mexican, but they told him 985 00:40:29,252 --> 00:40:32,386 don't say Mexican on TV, so they made him use German 986 00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:33,779 because it was considered more innocuous. 987 00:40:33,822 --> 00:40:35,041 [Dan] In America, we don't speak 988 00:40:35,084 --> 00:40:37,173 different languages in America. 989 00:40:37,217 --> 00:40:39,480 We speak English. Other countries, they speak different languages. 990 00:40:39,524 --> 00:40:41,047 I got a friend in Oregon, he's from-- 991 00:40:41,090 --> 00:40:42,744 he's a countryman of Heidi's actually. 992 00:40:42,788 --> 00:40:44,354 He lives in Berlin. He's speak-- do you know him? 993 00:40:44,398 --> 00:40:47,096 He speaks four languages. 994 00:40:47,140 --> 00:40:49,142 He said to me, "Dan, how come you Americans 995 00:40:49,185 --> 00:40:51,710 don't learn other languages?" 996 00:40:51,753 --> 00:40:52,711 I'm like, "I don't know. 997 00:40:52,754 --> 00:40:54,234 Probably the same reason 998 00:40:54,277 --> 00:40:55,757 people that can see don't learn Braille. 999 00:40:55,801 --> 00:40:58,673 -That's probably why." -[audience laughing] 1000 00:40:58,717 --> 00:41:00,588 [Noam] Heidi Klum is a judge 1001 00:41:00,632 --> 00:41:03,678 -and she gets offended at his joke. -[Greg] Nice. 1002 00:41:03,722 --> 00:41:05,027 And I got news for you, 1003 00:41:05,071 --> 00:41:06,376 Braille would be more practical, right? 1004 00:41:06,420 --> 00:41:07,726 Because you might go blind one day, 1005 00:41:07,769 --> 00:41:09,989 that could happen. 1006 00:41:10,032 --> 00:41:11,643 But you ain't gonna go German, chances are. 1007 00:41:11,686 --> 00:41:14,167 [audience laughing] 1008 00:41:14,210 --> 00:41:17,562 Thank you, America, vote Naturman! 1009 00:41:17,605 --> 00:41:18,737 How'd he do? Did you laugh? 1010 00:41:18,780 --> 00:41:20,434 Well, not really. 1011 00:41:20,478 --> 00:41:23,176 It is impressive, though, that you managed to offend 1012 00:41:23,219 --> 00:41:25,265 almost every type of person on the planet 1013 00:41:25,308 --> 00:41:26,396 including the Germans. 1014 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,876 [Noam] And she attacks him 1015 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,922 and may very well have led to ending his run 1016 00:41:29,965 --> 00:41:31,663 at the championship of America's Got Talent. 1017 00:41:31,706 --> 00:41:33,360 [Dan] Oh, but I think it was going to go down anyway, 1018 00:41:33,403 --> 00:41:36,145 -but maybe. -So this exact phenomenon 1019 00:41:36,189 --> 00:41:38,757 that we're talking about, he had a bitter 1020 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,628 firsthand experience with it. 1021 00:41:44,589 --> 00:41:46,504 [Gilbert] Nowadays, there's people 1022 00:41:46,547 --> 00:41:49,158 who might want to play it safe. 1023 00:41:49,202 --> 00:41:52,640 Me being an idiot, I don't. 1024 00:41:52,684 --> 00:41:55,382 [narrator] Comedy can help us get through tough times, 1025 00:41:55,425 --> 00:41:57,253 but doing comedy after a tragedy 1026 00:41:57,297 --> 00:41:58,864 is one of the biggest taboos. 1027 00:41:58,907 --> 00:42:00,518 Then again, Gilbert Gottfried 1028 00:42:00,561 --> 00:42:03,346 loves sinking his cold fangs into taboos. 1029 00:42:03,390 --> 00:42:04,565 It's kind of his thing. 1030 00:42:04,609 --> 00:42:08,090 I used to do a voice 1031 00:42:08,134 --> 00:42:11,354 for a certain insurance company 1032 00:42:11,398 --> 00:42:13,226 -[duck] Aflac! -[Gilbert] The tsunami 1033 00:42:13,269 --> 00:42:14,357 was hitting then. 1034 00:42:14,401 --> 00:42:16,359 So, I had handled that the way 1035 00:42:16,403 --> 00:42:19,232 I handle every big news item. 1036 00:42:19,275 --> 00:42:22,235 I was doing jokes about it on the Internet. 1037 00:42:22,278 --> 00:42:24,716 Mostly, if you're going to get offended, 1038 00:42:24,759 --> 00:42:27,022 you could get offended by how dumb 1039 00:42:27,066 --> 00:42:28,633 most of them were. 1040 00:42:28,676 --> 00:42:32,637 Like, I asked my Japanese real estate agent, 1041 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,074 "Is there a school in the neighborhood?" 1042 00:42:35,117 --> 00:42:37,816 And she said, "No, but there will be one in five minutes." 1043 00:42:37,859 --> 00:42:40,514 -[man] A horrible thing to say in the midst of this tragedy. -[woman] Disgusting. 1044 00:42:40,558 --> 00:42:41,776 I couldn't believe he said that. 1045 00:42:41,820 --> 00:42:43,561 A well-known comedian is no longer 1046 00:42:43,604 --> 00:42:45,345 the voice of Aflac's duck today 1047 00:42:45,388 --> 00:42:48,130 because of a not-so-funny joke about Japan's tragedy. 1048 00:42:48,174 --> 00:42:50,568 They basically dropped me like 1049 00:42:50,611 --> 00:42:52,265 shit out of a duck's ass. 1050 00:42:52,308 --> 00:42:53,875 [woman] Aflac says, "There's no place 1051 00:42:53,919 --> 00:42:56,748 for anything but compassion and concern." 1052 00:42:56,791 --> 00:42:59,228 [narrator] But how surprised could Aflac have been? 1053 00:42:59,272 --> 00:43:02,580 After all, the famously raunchy Comedy Central roasts 1054 00:43:02,623 --> 00:43:04,451 often showcase Gilbert Gottfried 1055 00:43:04,494 --> 00:43:05,931 and his jackhammer tongue. 1056 00:43:05,974 --> 00:43:11,023 Donald always says money can't buy happiness, 1057 00:43:11,066 --> 00:43:14,113 but it can buy the best 1058 00:43:14,156 --> 00:43:19,684 Eastern European whores New York City has to offer. 1059 00:43:19,727 --> 00:43:20,902 [crowd cheering] 1060 00:43:20,946 --> 00:43:22,643 [narrator] And the tsunami 1061 00:43:22,687 --> 00:43:25,124 wasn't the first time Gottfried made jokes 1062 00:43:25,167 --> 00:43:26,516 in the wake of a tragedy. 1063 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,083 He did something similar 1064 00:43:28,127 --> 00:43:30,216 right after the September 11th attacks. 1065 00:43:30,259 --> 00:43:34,524 [Gilbert] I was at the Hugh Hefner's fryer's roast. 1066 00:43:34,568 --> 00:43:37,876 And I said, "Well I have to leave early tonight. 1067 00:43:37,919 --> 00:43:39,704 I couldn't get a direct flight, 1068 00:43:39,747 --> 00:43:43,098 we have to make a stop at the Empire State Building." 1069 00:43:43,142 --> 00:43:47,929 And the crowd was booing and hissing. 1070 00:43:47,973 --> 00:43:50,410 One guy yelled, "Too soon." 1071 00:43:50,453 --> 00:43:52,717 Which I thought meant I didn't take 1072 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,676 a long enough pause between the set up and the punch line. 1073 00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:57,069 [narrator] But his 9/11 joke didn't leave 1074 00:43:57,112 --> 00:43:58,940 the world throbbing with outrage 1075 00:43:58,984 --> 00:44:00,681 like his tsunami jokes did. 1076 00:44:00,725 --> 00:44:02,117 Maybe it's because in 2001, 1077 00:44:02,161 --> 00:44:03,989 there was no Facebook, no Twitter, 1078 00:44:04,032 --> 00:44:05,686 no YouTube, no iPhone. 1079 00:44:05,730 --> 00:44:07,819 But today's supercharged Internet 1080 00:44:07,862 --> 00:44:09,908 blasts outrage all over the world 1081 00:44:09,951 --> 00:44:12,214 as fast as you can type 140 characters. 1082 00:44:12,258 --> 00:44:15,043 [Gilbert] The Internet makes me feel sentimental 1083 00:44:15,087 --> 00:44:17,437 about old-time lynch mobs. 1084 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,267 Back then, you actually had to put your jacket on, 1085 00:44:21,310 --> 00:44:23,835 go outside, get your hands dirty, 1086 00:44:23,878 --> 00:44:25,053 and deal with other people. 1087 00:44:25,097 --> 00:44:26,925 You know, not everything is funny. 1088 00:44:26,968 --> 00:44:28,840 -Right. -And there's not a time to joke about everything, 1089 00:44:28,883 --> 00:44:30,798 but apparently, Gilbert Gottfried 1090 00:44:30,842 --> 00:44:32,582 -is learning that the hard way. -Didn't get the memo. 1091 00:44:32,626 --> 00:44:35,716 [Gilbert] And then when I go outside my house, 1092 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,067 news cameras would appear out of nowhere, 1093 00:44:39,111 --> 00:44:41,940 like they were cornering someone 1094 00:44:41,983 --> 00:44:44,638 who was sending poisoned baby food. 1095 00:44:44,682 --> 00:44:46,422 [narrator] How did Gottfried eventually escape 1096 00:44:46,466 --> 00:44:47,946 the outrage mob? 1097 00:44:47,989 --> 00:44:50,949 A far more important story took his place. 1098 00:44:50,992 --> 00:44:53,342 [Gilbert] Chris Brown was backstage 1099 00:44:53,386 --> 00:44:55,518 and he got mad and threw a chair. 1100 00:44:55,562 --> 00:44:58,696 [man] There he is shirtless storming out of the studio. 1101 00:44:58,739 --> 00:45:00,393 [woman] Brown reportedly used a chair 1102 00:45:00,436 --> 00:45:02,177 to smash a window in his dressing room. 1103 00:45:02,221 --> 00:45:06,225 And that became the big news item. 1104 00:45:06,268 --> 00:45:07,922 See, I think nowadays, 1105 00:45:07,966 --> 00:45:10,055 there's the villain of the week. 1106 00:45:10,098 --> 00:45:12,666 And, like, at any given time, 1107 00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:14,842 there's the one guy we all hate 1108 00:45:14,886 --> 00:45:16,322 and then quickly, 1109 00:45:16,365 --> 00:45:18,498 it turns around to something else. 1110 00:45:24,634 --> 00:45:27,333 [Jon] People are getting destroyed, like, every day. 1111 00:45:27,376 --> 00:45:31,250 Sometimes, a number of times a day all over the world. 1112 00:45:31,293 --> 00:45:32,512 [narrator] In his book, 1113 00:45:32,555 --> 00:45:34,209 So You've Been Publicly Shamed, 1114 00:45:34,253 --> 00:45:38,257 author Jon Ronson tells the tale of Justine Sacco, 1115 00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:39,998 a young woman living in New York. 1116 00:45:40,041 --> 00:45:42,522 And with only 170 Twitter followers, 1117 00:45:42,565 --> 00:45:44,176 she's pretty much unknown. 1118 00:45:44,219 --> 00:45:48,093 [Jon] So, she's on vacation Christmas 2013, 1119 00:45:48,136 --> 00:45:50,095 heading from New York 1120 00:45:50,138 --> 00:45:52,401 to Heathrow to Cape Town. 1121 00:45:52,445 --> 00:45:54,664 And when she gets to Heathrow, she tweets 1122 00:45:54,708 --> 00:45:57,189 what she sees as a kind of funny acerbic joke 1123 00:45:57,232 --> 00:46:00,366 to her 170 Twitter followers that said... 1124 00:46:06,241 --> 00:46:08,113 She tweeted that joke 1125 00:46:08,156 --> 00:46:09,897 from Heathrow Airport, 1126 00:46:09,941 --> 00:46:11,333 wandered around the terminal, 1127 00:46:11,377 --> 00:46:13,771 sporadically checking Twitter, 1128 00:46:13,814 --> 00:46:17,252 got no replies, and found that sad too. 1129 00:46:17,296 --> 00:46:18,558 That sad feeling we all feel 1130 00:46:18,601 --> 00:46:20,690 when the Internet doesn't tell us, 1131 00:46:20,734 --> 00:46:22,954 "Well done. That was funny." 1132 00:46:22,997 --> 00:46:24,129 And then she got on the plane, 1133 00:46:24,172 --> 00:46:25,783 turned off her phone, 1134 00:46:25,826 --> 00:46:28,829 flew for 11 hours, 1135 00:46:28,873 --> 00:46:30,875 slept, woke up, turned on her phone, 1136 00:46:30,918 --> 00:46:32,615 and there was a text 1137 00:46:32,659 --> 00:46:34,879 from somebody she hadn't spoken to since high school 1138 00:46:34,922 --> 00:46:37,533 that said, "I am so sorry 1139 00:46:37,577 --> 00:46:39,057 to see what's happening to you." 1140 00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:41,233 The woman at the center of a digital uproar. 1141 00:46:41,276 --> 00:46:43,061 [man] At the center of a digital firestorm. 1142 00:46:43,104 --> 00:46:45,150 The woman who sparked a Twitter backlash 1143 00:46:45,193 --> 00:46:46,455 over an offensive tweet 1144 00:46:46,499 --> 00:46:48,414 that joked about AIDS in South Africa. 1145 00:46:48,457 --> 00:46:49,632 BuzzFeed tweeted it 1146 00:46:49,676 --> 00:46:51,112 as the worst tweet of all time. 1147 00:46:51,156 --> 00:46:52,766 [man] An incredibly offensive tweet 1148 00:46:52,810 --> 00:46:54,115 about AIDS and race. 1149 00:46:54,159 --> 00:46:56,857 [Jon] And the shaming came in waves. 1150 00:46:56,901 --> 00:46:58,859 First, there were the philanthropists 1151 00:46:58,903 --> 00:47:01,949 saying, "I am donating to aid to Africa." 1152 00:47:01,993 --> 00:47:03,255 But then it got darker, then it was like, 1153 00:47:03,298 --> 00:47:05,735 "Everybody go report this cunt." 1154 00:47:05,779 --> 00:47:07,128 There were people all over the world, 1155 00:47:07,172 --> 00:47:09,043 thousands, hundreds of thousands 1156 00:47:09,087 --> 00:47:12,264 of people who decided we must get this woman fired. 1157 00:47:12,307 --> 00:47:14,135 Most people didn't realize at this point 1158 00:47:14,179 --> 00:47:15,267 that she was on a plane 1159 00:47:15,310 --> 00:47:17,486 and oblivious to all of this. 1160 00:47:17,530 --> 00:47:19,314 But then her employers got involved. 1161 00:47:19,358 --> 00:47:21,012 [man] Quickly issued a statement 1162 00:47:21,055 --> 00:47:23,275 calling the comment outrageous and offensive. 1163 00:47:23,318 --> 00:47:26,495 And said, "This is an outrageous comment. 1164 00:47:26,539 --> 00:47:28,715 Employee currently unreachable 1165 00:47:28,758 --> 00:47:30,369 on an international flight." 1166 00:47:30,412 --> 00:47:32,501 And that's when the anger turned to excitement, 1167 00:47:32,545 --> 00:47:35,243 that we knew something that Justine didn't. 1168 00:47:35,287 --> 00:47:38,551 We knew that she was oblivious to her destruction. 1169 00:47:38,594 --> 00:47:40,858 [man] Sacco posted the tweet Friday, 1170 00:47:40,901 --> 00:47:43,034 just before a nearly 12-hour flight 1171 00:47:43,077 --> 00:47:45,340 from London to Cape Town, South Africa. 1172 00:47:45,384 --> 00:47:48,300 While she was apparently offline in midair, 1173 00:47:48,343 --> 00:47:49,997 millions were online, 1174 00:47:50,041 --> 00:47:51,956 anxiously waiting for her to land 1175 00:47:51,999 --> 00:47:54,523 and see the uproar her tweet caused. 1176 00:47:54,567 --> 00:47:57,178 The... 1177 00:47:57,222 --> 00:47:58,310 became an instant trend. 1178 00:47:58,353 --> 00:47:59,746 First, you have children dying, 1179 00:47:59,789 --> 00:48:01,182 you have children being born with AIDS. 1180 00:48:01,226 --> 00:48:03,445 It's really nothing to joke about. 1181 00:48:03,489 --> 00:48:05,056 [Jon] I was on Twitter that night 1182 00:48:05,099 --> 00:48:06,579 and I thought what everyone else thought, 1183 00:48:06,622 --> 00:48:08,624 "Wow! Somebody's fucked!" 1184 00:48:08,668 --> 00:48:10,191 And I kind of, you know, sat up in bed 1185 00:48:10,235 --> 00:48:12,237 and propped the pillow up behind my, 1186 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,457 you know, and then I thought, "Well maybe the-- 1187 00:48:15,501 --> 00:48:18,156 maybe it wasn't intended to be racist." 1188 00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:19,809 [narrator] Too late! 1189 00:48:19,853 --> 00:48:21,246 The outrage mob had already made up its mind. 1190 00:48:21,289 --> 00:48:23,248 I think she's basically got a race problem 1191 00:48:23,291 --> 00:48:24,902 and she deserved to be fired. 1192 00:48:24,945 --> 00:48:28,427 [narrator] Sacco was fired in midair. 1193 00:48:31,909 --> 00:48:34,172 [narrator] Meanwhile, the social media response 1194 00:48:34,215 --> 00:48:35,347 was getting violent. 1195 00:48:35,390 --> 00:48:37,175 [Jon] "Somebody HIV positive 1196 00:48:37,218 --> 00:48:39,264 should rape this bitch so then we'll find out 1197 00:48:39,307 --> 00:48:41,266 if her skin color protects her from AIDS." 1198 00:48:41,309 --> 00:48:43,964 The anger, the vitriol directed at her 1199 00:48:44,008 --> 00:48:46,271 such that even the company that fired her 1200 00:48:46,314 --> 00:48:49,622 had to ask people to go easy on her, what about that part? 1201 00:48:49,665 --> 00:48:52,103 [narrator] Eventually the backlash became so deranged 1202 00:48:52,146 --> 00:48:55,193 that the media grew horrified what they had helped create. 1203 00:48:55,236 --> 00:48:57,151 Even some death threats seen on Tweeter toward her 1204 00:48:57,195 --> 00:48:58,370 and she hadn't had a chance 1205 00:48:58,413 --> 00:48:59,806 to tell her side of the story yet. 1206 00:48:59,849 --> 00:49:01,634 Somebody went and live tweeted 1207 00:49:01,677 --> 00:49:03,592 her arrival and "photographed" her. 1208 00:49:03,636 --> 00:49:05,943 [narrator] When Sacco landed she was unemployed 1209 00:49:05,986 --> 00:49:09,250 and Twitter's number one worldwide trending topic. 1210 00:49:09,294 --> 00:49:11,774 The satisfied outrage mob 1211 00:49:11,818 --> 00:49:14,255 looked for a new target to destroy, 1212 00:49:14,299 --> 00:49:15,822 but Ronson was determined 1213 00:49:15,865 --> 00:49:18,999 to find out what became of Justine Sacco. 1214 00:49:19,043 --> 00:49:21,219 [Jon] So, I met her in a bar in downtown New York 1215 00:49:21,262 --> 00:49:23,047 and, you know, she was just broken 1216 00:49:23,090 --> 00:49:24,526 and she just kept crying 1217 00:49:24,570 --> 00:49:26,137 and it was like the Night of the Living Dead, 1218 00:49:26,180 --> 00:49:27,921 because she was this kind of spectral figure. 1219 00:49:27,965 --> 00:49:29,705 I asked her to explain the joke 1220 00:49:29,749 --> 00:49:32,056 and she said "Living in America puts us in a bubble 1221 00:49:32,099 --> 00:49:34,232 when it comes to what is going on in the Third World, 1222 00:49:34,275 --> 00:49:36,147 I was making fun of that bubble." 1223 00:49:36,190 --> 00:49:38,018 [narrator] Sacco's family is from South Africa 1224 00:49:38,062 --> 00:49:39,802 and she was born there. 1225 00:49:39,846 --> 00:49:42,153 Her father took the family to the United States, 1226 00:49:42,196 --> 00:49:44,329 because he didn't want his children to be raised 1227 00:49:44,372 --> 00:49:45,504 in such a racist culture. 1228 00:49:45,547 --> 00:49:47,375 Justine thought that she was 1229 00:49:47,419 --> 00:49:51,771 being a social justice person like the rest of us. 1230 00:49:51,814 --> 00:49:53,991 She thought she was making fun 1231 00:49:54,034 --> 00:49:56,254 of the bubble of privilege. 1232 00:49:56,297 --> 00:49:59,083 You know, there's a-- there's a comedic tradition 1233 00:49:59,126 --> 00:50:01,781 of mocking privilege by doing an extreme 1234 00:50:01,824 --> 00:50:03,261 exaggerated version of it. 1235 00:50:03,304 --> 00:50:08,483 Niggers, Jews, homosexuals, Mexicans, Arabs, 1236 00:50:08,527 --> 00:50:10,442 and all kinds of different Chinks stink! 1237 00:50:10,485 --> 00:50:11,791 [narrator] Dave Chappelle does a sketch 1238 00:50:11,834 --> 00:50:13,314 about a blind black man 1239 00:50:13,358 --> 00:50:15,055 who happens to be a white supremacist. 1240 00:50:15,099 --> 00:50:18,232 Chappelle uses racist language to make fun of racists. 1241 00:50:18,276 --> 00:50:20,669 [Dave] Let's talk about Chinese people. 1242 00:50:20,713 --> 00:50:22,410 What they're Kung Fu 1243 00:50:22,454 --> 00:50:26,023 and all that silly ching ching, chong, chong. 1244 00:50:26,066 --> 00:50:27,067 Oh, you come here, 1245 00:50:27,111 --> 00:50:28,677 you kiss my tea make her sweet. 1246 00:50:28,721 --> 00:50:30,636 I no need no sugar when you around. 1247 00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:33,378 [narrator] Stephen Colbert was doing the same thing 1248 00:50:33,421 --> 00:50:35,597 and the outraged mob called him a racist 1249 00:50:35,641 --> 00:50:37,773 and demanded his show be canceled. 1250 00:50:37,817 --> 00:50:40,211 Naturally, there was an official hashtag. 1251 00:50:40,254 --> 00:50:42,778 The hashtag, "CANCELCOLBERT" is trending. 1252 00:50:42,822 --> 00:50:44,650 -[woman] Cancel Colbert. -[man] Cancel Colbert. 1253 00:50:44,693 --> 00:50:46,565 -[woman] Cancel Colbert. -[narrator] Colbert weathered 1254 00:50:46,608 --> 00:50:49,916 the storm, but humor can be more dangerous for amateurs. 1255 00:50:49,959 --> 00:50:52,223 [Jon] She lost her job, she couldn't get another job. 1256 00:50:52,266 --> 00:50:54,529 Newspapers were following her to the gym, 1257 00:50:54,573 --> 00:50:56,923 she couldn't sleep, she couldn't date 1258 00:50:56,966 --> 00:50:58,664 because you Google everybody you date 1259 00:50:58,707 --> 00:51:01,101 and she was just the racist AIDS tweet woman. 1260 00:51:01,145 --> 00:51:03,060 [narrator] We're all just one clumsy joke away 1261 00:51:03,103 --> 00:51:05,366 from sharing Justine Sacco's fate. 1262 00:51:05,410 --> 00:51:07,455 [Jon] We're all a mix of clever and stupid, 1263 00:51:07,499 --> 00:51:10,458 you know, we're not these one dimensional things. 1264 00:51:10,502 --> 00:51:12,330 We fuck up. 1265 00:51:12,373 --> 00:51:13,722 And we don't fuck up. 1266 00:51:13,766 --> 00:51:15,637 We're wise and we're idiots. 1267 00:51:15,681 --> 00:51:18,379 So, many watching her demise online 1268 00:51:18,423 --> 00:51:20,990 while she was offline on a plane. 1269 00:51:21,034 --> 00:51:22,427 [Jon] Don't leap in on somebody 1270 00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:26,039 and destroy somebody for this drama. 1271 00:51:26,083 --> 00:51:28,433 For this fake social justice. 1272 00:51:28,476 --> 00:51:32,306 Let's not frighten people into being voiceless. 1273 00:51:48,888 --> 00:51:50,759 [narrator] The Adam Carolla show 1274 00:51:50,803 --> 00:51:53,849 is one of the world's most popular comedy podcasts, 1275 00:51:53,893 --> 00:51:56,635 and its host is known for his no-holds-barred 1276 00:51:56,678 --> 00:51:58,637 political and cultural rants. 1277 00:52:07,515 --> 00:52:09,038 [narrator] At this live taping, 1278 00:52:09,082 --> 00:52:11,519 Carolla was fuming about a recent exchange 1279 00:52:11,563 --> 00:52:13,391 with California Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom, 1280 00:52:13,434 --> 00:52:14,827 who brought up economic challenges 1281 00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:17,003 facing black and Latino families. 1282 00:52:17,046 --> 00:52:19,048 [Gavin] Half of African Americans in the state of California 1283 00:52:19,092 --> 00:52:20,441 and roughly half of Latino families 1284 00:52:20,485 --> 00:52:22,008 have no access to a checking account 1285 00:52:22,051 --> 00:52:24,402 or an ATM, things we take for granted. 1286 00:52:24,445 --> 00:52:26,795 -They don't have a checking account. -What's wrong with them? 1287 00:52:26,839 --> 00:52:29,668 -Do Asians have this problem? -I mean, a lot of communities have this problem. 1288 00:52:29,711 --> 00:52:31,670 A lot of whites have these problems, but I just... 1289 00:52:31,713 --> 00:52:33,454 -Oh, so it's not just black and Hispanic. -No, but it-- 1290 00:52:33,498 --> 00:52:35,021 -but I'm giving you-- -Then why did you bring up 1291 00:52:35,064 --> 00:52:36,501 -black and Hispanic? -Because the magnitude 1292 00:52:36,544 --> 00:52:37,893 -is ominous. -[narrator] Agree with him 1293 00:52:37,937 --> 00:52:39,721 or not, but Carolla prides himself 1294 00:52:39,765 --> 00:52:41,027 on speaking the unspeakable 1295 00:52:41,070 --> 00:52:42,594 and he often raises issues 1296 00:52:42,637 --> 00:52:44,204 that politicians are too afraid to touch. 1297 00:52:44,248 --> 00:52:46,250 Here he asks Newsom why Asians 1298 00:52:46,293 --> 00:52:48,252 -perform so well in school. -[Gavin] I'm not a sociologist, 1299 00:52:48,295 --> 00:52:49,818 -perhaps you could explain why. -[Adam] Okay. 1300 00:52:49,862 --> 00:52:51,994 -Well, I told you why. -Why? 1301 00:52:52,038 --> 00:52:54,040 [Adam] They have a family that puts an emphasis on education. 1302 00:52:54,083 --> 00:52:55,563 [Gavin] Which is a noble thing. 1303 00:52:55,607 --> 00:52:57,174 And a lot of Latinos have families have put 1304 00:52:57,217 --> 00:52:59,524 -emphasis on education. -A lot, but not enough. 1305 00:52:59,567 --> 00:53:01,874 -African Americans have emphasis on education. -A lot, but not enough. 1306 00:53:01,917 --> 00:53:03,092 [Adam] Their families are broken up. 1307 00:53:03,136 --> 00:53:04,529 Okay, Gavin. I get it. 1308 00:53:04,572 --> 00:53:06,226 When a white straight guy seems to... 1309 00:53:06,270 --> 00:53:07,575 White? What's white have to do with it? 1310 00:53:07,619 --> 00:53:09,055 What's white have to do with it? 1311 00:53:09,098 --> 00:53:11,013 Well, you've been accused of being racist. 1312 00:53:11,057 --> 00:53:13,712 [Adam] You have the racist finger out all the time. 1313 00:53:13,755 --> 00:53:17,977 But the finger you use for personal responsibility, 1314 00:53:18,020 --> 00:53:19,587 that stays up your ass! 1315 00:53:19,631 --> 00:53:21,023 And they misquote you 1316 00:53:21,067 --> 00:53:23,548 or they quote you out of context. 1317 00:53:23,591 --> 00:53:25,724 There's a weird, sort of mob, 1318 00:53:25,767 --> 00:53:27,204 witch hunt mentality. 1319 00:53:27,247 --> 00:53:28,683 [narrator] Carolla says some reporters 1320 00:53:28,727 --> 00:53:30,990 recently confronted him with audio proof 1321 00:53:31,033 --> 00:53:32,557 of his supposed racism. 1322 00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,037 ♪ I got a little penis, I don't care ♪ 1323 00:53:35,081 --> 00:53:36,822 ♪ It can work if it has no hair ♪ 1324 00:53:36,865 --> 00:53:37,997 [woman laughs] 1325 00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:39,216 ♪ You see it right there 1326 00:53:39,259 --> 00:53:41,435 ♪ It's in your face... 1327 00:53:41,479 --> 00:53:45,047 They think it's me doing a Jackie Chan voice. 1328 00:53:45,091 --> 00:53:46,658 They're doing the gotcha moment, 1329 00:53:46,701 --> 00:53:48,268 except for they're not smart enough 1330 00:53:48,312 --> 00:53:51,967 to do their research and realize that's Jo Koy 1331 00:53:52,011 --> 00:53:53,578 who's an Asian American comedian, 1332 00:53:53,621 --> 00:53:54,927 he's doing all the talking and making fun 1333 00:53:54,970 --> 00:53:56,755 of the Asian American stereotype. 1334 00:53:56,798 --> 00:53:59,279 [Jo] You can just be quiet for a second, 1335 00:53:59,323 --> 00:54:01,281 -you're interrupting. -[Adam] I can't, sir, I'm telling you. 1336 00:54:01,325 --> 00:54:02,674 [Jo] You know why? You're pissing me off. 1337 00:54:02,717 --> 00:54:04,153 -You know why? - I told them, 1338 00:54:04,197 --> 00:54:05,416 the guy who was doing the voice was Asian 1339 00:54:05,459 --> 00:54:06,634 and they were like... 1340 00:54:06,678 --> 00:54:07,896 "Well, that helps." 1341 00:54:12,771 --> 00:54:16,253 [Karith] You can say whatever you want to say, 1342 00:54:16,296 --> 00:54:19,125 but the rule in comedy is that it just has to be funny. 1343 00:54:19,168 --> 00:54:20,953 [narrator] But these days there's a pretty big list 1344 00:54:20,996 --> 00:54:22,824 of topics that are off limits, 1345 00:54:22,868 --> 00:54:24,739 topics that comedians are avoiding. 1346 00:54:24,783 --> 00:54:26,785 Topics comedians are avoiding, it seems like 1347 00:54:26,828 --> 00:54:28,308 you don't know what to avoid. 1348 00:54:28,352 --> 00:54:31,442 Racial ones are a big one for people to avoid, 1349 00:54:31,485 --> 00:54:33,357 sexual orientation jokes, 1350 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:34,836 people have always avoided religion jokes, 1351 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,273 Islam especially. 1352 00:54:36,316 --> 00:54:37,752 Christianity is kind of safe now. 1353 00:54:37,796 --> 00:54:40,102 A big taboo in the comic world 1354 00:54:40,146 --> 00:54:41,626 would be like, gun topics 1355 00:54:41,669 --> 00:54:43,758 because so, you know, so many school shootings 1356 00:54:43,802 --> 00:54:45,325 and this and that, but school shootings 1357 00:54:45,369 --> 00:54:46,805 have been happening forever, 1358 00:54:46,848 --> 00:54:48,372 it's just they've been happening 1359 00:54:48,415 --> 00:54:50,287 in bad neighborhoods first and no one cared 1360 00:54:50,330 --> 00:54:51,984 and now that it happens in good neighborhoods, 1361 00:54:52,027 --> 00:54:53,638 everyone is like, "Oh, you can't joke about that." 1362 00:54:53,681 --> 00:54:54,813 [narrator] And it's not just jokes. 1363 00:54:54,856 --> 00:54:56,554 The outrage mob 1364 00:54:56,597 --> 00:54:58,120 is also scaring people away from serious debate 1365 00:54:58,164 --> 00:54:59,731 about taboo topics. 1366 00:54:59,774 --> 00:55:03,430 We cannot discuss legislation on rape in this country. 1367 00:55:03,474 --> 00:55:06,390 We cannot discuss 1368 00:55:06,433 --> 00:55:09,044 sex crimes on college campuses. 1369 00:55:09,088 --> 00:55:10,872 You can't discuss that. 1370 00:55:10,916 --> 00:55:13,614 [protestors shouting] 1371 00:55:13,658 --> 00:55:16,051 [narrator] Here protesters shout down a panel discussion 1372 00:55:16,095 --> 00:55:18,271 -that addresses sex crimes. -[woman] Get the fuck out of here. 1373 00:55:18,315 --> 00:55:20,229 [narrator] Be careful discussing suicide. 1374 00:55:20,273 --> 00:55:22,362 After showbiz legend Robin Williams 1375 00:55:22,406 --> 00:55:23,755 committed suicide, 1376 00:55:23,798 --> 00:55:25,800 punk rocker Henry Rollins wrote 1377 00:55:25,844 --> 00:55:27,715 that parents shouldn't kill themselves 1378 00:55:27,759 --> 00:55:30,109 because it traumatizes their children. 1379 00:55:30,152 --> 00:55:32,024 Henry Rollins said that Robin 1380 00:55:32,067 --> 00:55:33,634 was selfish for doing it and blah, blah, blah, 1381 00:55:33,678 --> 00:55:35,157 and people went after him and he had to apologize. 1382 00:55:38,030 --> 00:55:40,380 [Norton] We have punk rockers now fucking apologizing. 1383 00:55:40,424 --> 00:55:42,382 And it's like you don't owe an apology, Henry. 1384 00:55:42,426 --> 00:55:44,123 Even if what you said was wrong. 1385 00:55:44,166 --> 00:55:46,604 Even if Robin was suffering and it wasn't selfish. 1386 00:55:46,647 --> 00:55:47,953 I don't think you're out of line to say, 1387 00:55:47,996 --> 00:55:49,955 "Is this a selfish fucking thing?" 1388 00:55:49,998 --> 00:55:51,783 [narrator] If you challenge society's taboos, 1389 00:55:51,826 --> 00:55:53,872 you might be looking to start a discussion, 1390 00:55:53,915 --> 00:55:56,701 but don't be surprised if you get called names instead. 1391 00:55:56,744 --> 00:55:58,093 [Carolla] All they're gonna do 1392 00:55:58,137 --> 00:56:00,400 is try to make you look like a bigoted, 1393 00:56:00,444 --> 00:56:02,837 sexist, xenophobic whatever... 1394 00:56:02,881 --> 00:56:05,666 You're just a privileged, white feminist bitch-- 1395 00:56:05,710 --> 00:56:07,059 [narrator] That's how Twitter responded 1396 00:56:07,102 --> 00:56:08,539 to a British writer, 1397 00:56:08,582 --> 00:56:10,497 one of the few people who questioned 1398 00:56:10,541 --> 00:56:11,933 whether Justine Sacco's tweet 1399 00:56:11,977 --> 00:56:13,370 was really meant to be racist. 1400 00:56:13,413 --> 00:56:17,025 And she said to her shame she shut up 1401 00:56:17,069 --> 00:56:19,419 and watched Justine's life get ripped apart. 1402 00:56:19,463 --> 00:56:20,812 We have to learn 1403 00:56:20,855 --> 00:56:22,596 you can't have the exchange of ideas 1404 00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,990 if there's a chilling effect. 1405 00:56:25,033 --> 00:56:26,774 [narrator] A chilling effect. 1406 00:56:26,818 --> 00:56:29,211 It's when you see others getting shouted down 1407 00:56:29,255 --> 00:56:31,388 for voicing controversial opinions 1408 00:56:31,431 --> 00:56:33,781 and you decide to just shut up yourself. 1409 00:56:33,825 --> 00:56:36,001 Because, why bother? 1410 00:56:36,044 --> 00:56:37,263 It's like, "Hey these are opinions 1411 00:56:37,306 --> 00:56:38,656 that people disagree with." 1412 00:56:38,699 --> 00:56:42,007 Like, "Hey, United States there, buddy. 1413 00:56:42,050 --> 00:56:43,791 We're just one big pile 1414 00:56:43,835 --> 00:56:45,402 historically of opinions 1415 00:56:45,445 --> 00:56:48,143 that people disagreed with and that's fine." 1416 00:56:52,757 --> 00:56:54,976 [Jon] If this climate of fear continues, 1417 00:56:55,020 --> 00:56:56,413 what it will create 1418 00:56:56,456 --> 00:56:59,938 is a cold conservative conformist world. 1419 00:56:59,981 --> 00:57:01,983 Where what we're doing is tearing apart 1420 00:57:02,027 --> 00:57:04,203 the people who step out of line. 1421 00:57:04,246 --> 00:57:07,772 [narrator] MSNBC's Martin Bashir made pointed comments 1422 00:57:07,815 --> 00:57:10,557 about former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin. 1423 00:57:10,601 --> 00:57:12,559 Harvard President Lawrence Summers speculated 1424 00:57:12,603 --> 00:57:14,561 about why there aren't more female science professors. 1425 00:57:14,605 --> 00:57:17,999 NPR's Juan Williams admitted to feeling nervous 1426 00:57:18,043 --> 00:57:21,133 when he saw people dressed in Muslim garb on airplanes. 1427 00:57:21,176 --> 00:57:25,050 They all stepped out of line and it cost them their jobs. 1428 00:57:25,093 --> 00:57:26,965 All we're doing is training each other to lie. 1429 00:57:27,008 --> 00:57:28,662 Training each other to toe the company line 1430 00:57:28,706 --> 00:57:29,881 and then sitting around 1431 00:57:29,924 --> 00:57:31,317 like a bunch of fucking dummies 1432 00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:32,884 going, "How come no one is honest anymore?" 1433 00:57:32,927 --> 00:57:34,320 I don't know, stupid, because the last time 1434 00:57:34,363 --> 00:57:35,669 someone told the truth, you jumped on them 1435 00:57:35,713 --> 00:57:37,323 and tried to get them fired. 1436 00:57:37,366 --> 00:57:40,674 That's not more debate, more speech, more thought. 1437 00:57:40,718 --> 00:57:42,546 That's a form of private censorship. 1438 00:57:42,589 --> 00:57:45,026 And it may be legal, but it's still usually 1439 00:57:45,070 --> 00:57:47,289 -a dangerous bad idea. -Here. 1440 00:57:47,333 --> 00:57:49,944 [narrator] The thing is taboos are always changing. 1441 00:57:49,988 --> 00:57:51,946 Talking race can be dicey today, 1442 00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:55,036 years ago it was sex that put everyone on edge. 1443 00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,692 In 1851, Gynecologist James Platt 1444 00:57:58,736 --> 00:58:01,478 got kicked out of the American Medical Association 1445 00:58:01,521 --> 00:58:02,870 after allowing students to watch 1446 00:58:02,914 --> 00:58:04,872 a consenting woman give birth. 1447 00:58:04,916 --> 00:58:07,048 In the 1970s, researcher Vern Bullough 1448 00:58:07,092 --> 00:58:09,964 landed on the FBI's list of dangerous Americans 1449 00:58:10,008 --> 00:58:13,272 because he supported things like legalizing oral sex. 1450 00:58:13,315 --> 00:58:15,709 Today, childbirth has become a lot safer 1451 00:58:15,753 --> 00:58:17,406 because we've opened up about it 1452 00:58:17,450 --> 00:58:18,973 and adults are no longer arrested 1453 00:58:19,017 --> 00:58:20,540 for oral sex. 1454 00:58:20,584 --> 00:58:22,977 In other words, the censors got it wrong. 1455 00:58:23,021 --> 00:58:24,588 If you're on the side of censorship, 1456 00:58:24,631 --> 00:58:26,720 you're on the side of an arrogant idea 1457 00:58:26,764 --> 00:58:28,983 that essentially you know where wisdom will come from 1458 00:58:29,027 --> 00:58:31,072 and you don't know where wisdom will come from. 1459 00:58:31,116 --> 00:58:33,597 Gavin Newsom can come back on my show 1460 00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,076 tomorrow if he likes. 1461 00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,514 The only way that we find truth 1462 00:58:37,557 --> 00:58:40,212 in any society is through public debate. 1463 00:58:40,255 --> 00:58:41,996 He will never show up again 1464 00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,738 because he does not wanna fucking lock antlers 1465 00:58:44,782 --> 00:58:47,132 with someone in a long-form discussion 1466 00:58:47,175 --> 00:58:48,350 on his policies. 1467 00:58:48,394 --> 00:58:50,048 Once you get into the business 1468 00:58:50,091 --> 00:58:51,963 of saying you're going to prohibit 1469 00:58:52,006 --> 00:58:53,138 things that people find offensive 1470 00:58:53,181 --> 00:58:54,835 or wrongheaded, 1471 00:58:54,879 --> 00:58:58,099 that's where the most sensitive person in society 1472 00:58:58,143 --> 00:59:01,494 gets to determine what all the rest of us can hear. 1473 00:59:01,538 --> 00:59:03,409 Cars, technology, 1474 00:59:03,452 --> 00:59:05,106 cellphones, like everything's this. 1475 00:59:05,150 --> 00:59:06,586 And then free speech, 1476 00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:09,415 we're pulling it back to the '40s. 1477 00:59:19,686 --> 00:59:21,514 [Ron] After Lenny Bruce died 1478 00:59:21,558 --> 00:59:23,081 something remarkable happened. 1479 00:59:23,124 --> 00:59:24,822 Was it a landmark Supreme Court opinion? 1480 00:59:24,865 --> 00:59:26,301 No. 1481 00:59:26,345 --> 00:59:28,042 Was it a major act passed by the Congress? 1482 00:59:28,086 --> 00:59:29,043 No. 1483 00:59:29,087 --> 00:59:30,392 The American culture 1484 00:59:30,436 --> 00:59:32,612 basically came to the conclusion 1485 00:59:32,656 --> 00:59:36,181 that never again will this or should this happen. 1486 00:59:36,224 --> 00:59:38,139 After Lenny Bruce died, 1487 00:59:38,183 --> 00:59:39,793 no comedian, 1488 00:59:39,837 --> 00:59:42,622 not a single comedian in any of the states 1489 00:59:42,666 --> 00:59:45,103 was ever again prosecuted 1490 00:59:45,146 --> 00:59:46,234 for obscenity 1491 00:59:46,278 --> 00:59:47,758 in a comedy club. 1492 00:59:47,801 --> 00:59:50,195 That's a remarkable feat. 1493 00:59:50,238 --> 00:59:52,066 And I think that's why 1494 00:59:52,110 --> 00:59:54,416 so many comedians today 1495 00:59:54,460 --> 00:59:55,766 revere Lenny Bruce. 1496 00:59:55,809 --> 00:59:57,419 Guys like Pryor and Carlin acknowledged, 1497 00:59:57,463 --> 00:59:58,986 Lenny is the guy that kicked the fucking door open 1498 00:59:59,030 --> 01:00:00,335 for everybody. 1499 01:00:00,379 --> 01:00:01,946 So, we all owe him a tremendous debt. 1500 01:00:01,989 --> 01:00:03,643 He was arrested for what he said. 1501 01:00:03,687 --> 01:00:06,037 I can't imagine that. 1502 01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:07,473 I can't imagine that. 1503 01:00:07,516 --> 01:00:09,170 But we fixed a lot of that. 1504 01:00:09,214 --> 01:00:11,303 Oh, my God, yeah. We don't get arrested anymore. 1505 01:00:11,346 --> 01:00:13,000 Our punishment is now corporate 1506 01:00:13,044 --> 01:00:15,307 and you lose your gig on Comedy Central 1507 01:00:15,350 --> 01:00:16,569 or you have to apologize 1508 01:00:16,613 --> 01:00:18,223 because you lose a movie opportunity. 1509 01:00:18,266 --> 01:00:20,007 When Lenny did it, it was a real penalty. 1510 01:00:20,051 --> 01:00:21,618 It was fucking-- it was going to jail. 1511 01:00:21,661 --> 01:00:25,447 Lenny Bruce was sentenced to prison 1512 01:00:25,491 --> 01:00:28,363 'cause people didn't like his jokes. 1513 01:00:28,407 --> 01:00:29,800 I should be hung. 1514 01:00:32,803 --> 01:00:34,326 [narrator] The culture changed so much 1515 01:00:34,369 --> 01:00:36,545 that eventually even the state of New York 1516 01:00:36,589 --> 01:00:38,199 admitted how stupid it had been 1517 01:00:38,243 --> 01:00:39,853 to bust Lenny Bruce. 1518 01:00:39,897 --> 01:00:41,812 Ron Collins partnered with fellow 1519 01:00:41,855 --> 01:00:44,336 First Amendment Attorney Bob Corn-Revere 1520 01:00:44,379 --> 01:00:46,381 to petition Governor George Pataki 1521 01:00:46,425 --> 01:00:47,731 to clear Lenny's name. 1522 01:00:47,774 --> 01:00:50,603 [Ron] I never thought there was... 1523 01:00:50,647 --> 01:00:52,474 any chance at all 1524 01:00:52,518 --> 01:00:54,912 that the governor would pardon Lenny. 1525 01:00:54,955 --> 01:00:56,435 [narrator] It seemed impossible. 1526 01:00:56,478 --> 01:00:57,479 But then it happened. 1527 01:00:57,523 --> 01:00:59,220 [Bob] This is a copy 1528 01:00:59,264 --> 01:01:02,615 of the pardon itself. 1529 01:01:02,659 --> 01:01:04,225 "Therefore, know ye 1530 01:01:04,269 --> 01:01:05,749 that I have pardoned, 1531 01:01:05,792 --> 01:01:07,533 remised, and released 1532 01:01:07,576 --> 01:01:09,361 and by these presents do pardon, 1533 01:01:09,404 --> 01:01:10,971 remise and release 1534 01:01:11,015 --> 01:01:13,191 the said Leonard Alfred Schneider 1535 01:01:13,234 --> 01:01:14,714 aka Lenny Bruce." 1536 01:01:14,758 --> 01:01:17,369 Archaic legal language that basically says 1537 01:01:17,412 --> 01:01:18,892 Lenny Bruce has been pardoned. 1538 01:01:18,936 --> 01:01:20,502 [Ron] It was just a wonderful feeling. 1539 01:01:20,546 --> 01:01:22,113 I really felt 1540 01:01:22,156 --> 01:01:25,682 that for just a pinpoint in time, 1541 01:01:27,161 --> 01:01:28,989 the Earth shook, just a little bit. 1542 01:01:29,033 --> 01:01:30,599 [narrator] The pardon came 37 years 1543 01:01:30,643 --> 01:01:32,645 after Lenny's death. 1544 01:01:32,689 --> 01:01:35,039 Makes you wonder what Lenny would think of today's world. 1545 01:01:35,082 --> 01:01:36,736 [Bob] I think he would hear people using language 1546 01:01:36,780 --> 01:01:37,955 that he was afraid 1547 01:01:37,998 --> 01:01:39,521 he was going to go to jail over 1548 01:01:39,565 --> 01:01:41,436 and he would think, "My gosh, things are freer 1549 01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:42,873 than they've ever been," 1550 01:01:42,916 --> 01:01:44,570 but at the same time 1551 01:01:44,613 --> 01:01:46,311 he would probably be confronted 1552 01:01:46,354 --> 01:01:49,183 with attitudes that... 1553 01:01:50,358 --> 01:01:51,446 he wouldn't be able 1554 01:01:51,490 --> 01:01:53,187 to get his mind around the idea 1555 01:01:53,231 --> 01:01:55,799 that if he said something offensive 1556 01:01:55,842 --> 01:01:58,497 that people would turn him in. 1557 01:01:58,540 --> 01:02:00,107 [narrator] It's a weird, terrifying, 1558 01:02:00,151 --> 01:02:02,196 and exhilarating time to be a comedian. 1559 01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:03,545 You don't have to worry about cops 1560 01:02:03,589 --> 01:02:04,938 arresting you at clubs, 1561 01:02:04,982 --> 01:02:06,984 and new technology like podcasts 1562 01:02:07,027 --> 01:02:09,290 lets you avoid corporate and government authorities. 1563 01:02:09,334 --> 01:02:10,814 Smartphones and social media 1564 01:02:10,857 --> 01:02:11,858 allow you to connect with fans 1565 01:02:11,902 --> 01:02:13,599 and build a following. 1566 01:02:13,642 --> 01:02:15,862 But it's that same liberating technology 1567 01:02:15,906 --> 01:02:17,777 that's fueling the outrage mob. 1568 01:02:17,821 --> 01:02:19,910 [Noam] We had thousands of people 1569 01:02:19,953 --> 01:02:21,346 tweeting against us. 1570 01:02:21,389 --> 01:02:23,087 [narrator] They demanded Noam Dworman 1571 01:02:23,130 --> 01:02:25,306 stop giving stage time to Artie Lange 1572 01:02:25,350 --> 01:02:27,787 because they were offended by one of his jokes. 1573 01:02:27,831 --> 01:02:29,180 "New York Comedy Cellar if you don't stop 1574 01:02:29,223 --> 01:02:30,485 using Artie Lange we're gonna bring 1575 01:02:30,529 --> 01:02:31,660 -the protest to you." -[Greg] Wow. 1576 01:02:31,704 --> 01:02:32,836 And this began to bubble up 1577 01:02:32,879 --> 01:02:34,402 to the point where I got scared 1578 01:02:34,446 --> 01:02:36,840 and actually pulled down all our podcasts off the-- 1579 01:02:36,883 --> 01:02:38,406 off the air because I didn't want anybody 1580 01:02:38,450 --> 01:02:40,713 to start researching what other kinds of jokes 1581 01:02:40,757 --> 01:02:42,149 we might have made. 1582 01:02:43,672 --> 01:02:46,066 [gunshots] 1583 01:02:46,110 --> 01:02:47,459 [narrator] Times are especially tough 1584 01:02:47,502 --> 01:02:49,330 for comedy outside the U.S. 1585 01:02:49,374 --> 01:02:51,942 On January 7th, 2015 1586 01:02:51,985 --> 01:02:53,813 terrorists offended by cartoons 1587 01:02:53,857 --> 01:02:55,902 depicting the Muslim prophet Muhammad 1588 01:02:55,946 --> 01:02:58,035 shot and killed 11 staff members 1589 01:02:58,078 --> 01:02:59,645 of the satirical magazine 1590 01:02:59,688 --> 01:03:01,865 Charlie Hebdo at their office in Paris. 1591 01:03:01,908 --> 01:03:03,431 [Greg] The Charlie Hebdo massacre 1592 01:03:03,475 --> 01:03:05,216 should've been a wakeup call to everyone 1593 01:03:05,259 --> 01:03:06,870 who believes in free speech all over the world. 1594 01:03:06,913 --> 01:03:08,436 That you can't have a right 1595 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,308 not to be offended without it backfiring, 1596 01:03:10,351 --> 01:03:12,745 without it being a terrible disaster. 1597 01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:14,312 And there was a moment 1598 01:03:14,355 --> 01:03:16,836 when it looked like France and the European Union 1599 01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:18,098 have learned this lesson. 1600 01:03:18,142 --> 01:03:19,491 [Jonathan] Hundreds of thousands 1601 01:03:19,534 --> 01:03:21,754 of citizens of France 1602 01:03:21,798 --> 01:03:23,625 in the streets for free speech. 1603 01:03:23,669 --> 01:03:24,975 You know, it's like 1604 01:03:25,018 --> 01:03:26,541 we all take a bullet. 1605 01:03:26,585 --> 01:03:27,847 They killed people, 1606 01:03:27,891 --> 01:03:29,849 but all French people take a bullet. 1607 01:03:29,893 --> 01:03:31,068 [Greg] But within a week 1608 01:03:31,111 --> 01:03:33,897 of the massacre they were arresting 1609 01:03:33,940 --> 01:03:35,289 people for cracking jokes. 1610 01:03:35,333 --> 01:03:36,595 They go after a comedian 1611 01:03:36,638 --> 01:03:37,857 who kind of condones the terrorism 1612 01:03:37,901 --> 01:03:39,424 or makes fun of it. 1613 01:03:39,467 --> 01:03:41,861 Now, I think that comedian's opinion stinks, 1614 01:03:41,905 --> 01:03:43,384 but you--hey, dummies, 1615 01:03:43,428 --> 01:03:44,864 do you want free speech or don't you? 1616 01:03:44,908 --> 01:03:46,735 [narrator] A comedian called Dieudonné 1617 01:03:46,779 --> 01:03:49,129 was found guilty of condoning terrorism 1618 01:03:49,173 --> 01:03:51,436 and received a suspended two-month jail term 1619 01:03:51,479 --> 01:03:53,177 for a Facebook post. 1620 01:03:53,220 --> 01:03:55,440 He wrote that he felt "like Charlie Coulibaly," 1621 01:03:55,483 --> 01:03:58,356 a play on the popular "I am Charlie Hebdo" slogan 1622 01:03:58,399 --> 01:03:59,661 that incorporated the name 1623 01:03:59,705 --> 01:04:00,793 of one of the Paris attackers. 1624 01:04:00,837 --> 01:04:03,491 [speaking French] 1625 01:04:03,535 --> 01:04:05,145 [narrator] He has been repeatedly fined 1626 01:04:05,189 --> 01:04:07,669 for anti-Semitic speech and local authorities 1627 01:04:07,713 --> 01:04:09,846 have banned his shows in several towns 1628 01:04:09,889 --> 01:04:12,761 because they see his act as a threat to public order. 1629 01:04:12,805 --> 01:04:14,546 I mean, yeah, you're not shooting people 1630 01:04:14,589 --> 01:04:16,809 like the Islamic militants did, 1631 01:04:16,853 --> 01:04:18,811 but you are arresting people. 1632 01:04:18,855 --> 01:04:20,944 You are penalizing people 1633 01:04:20,987 --> 01:04:22,467 for saying shit you don't like. 1634 01:04:22,510 --> 01:04:24,077 France, like... 1635 01:04:24,121 --> 01:04:25,600 all developed countries in the world 1636 01:04:25,644 --> 01:04:28,255 except the United States has hate speech laws. 1637 01:04:28,299 --> 01:04:29,691 France's free speech stinks. 1638 01:04:29,735 --> 01:04:31,476 Canada is not great with free speech. 1639 01:04:31,519 --> 01:04:32,999 They have a whole human rights commission 1640 01:04:33,043 --> 01:04:34,914 that penalizes people. 1641 01:04:34,958 --> 01:04:37,003 Britain kind of stinks for certain reasons. 1642 01:04:37,047 --> 01:04:38,700 You can get in big trouble for saying things. 1643 01:04:38,744 --> 01:04:39,832 [narrator] Britain jails people 1644 01:04:39,876 --> 01:04:41,094 who make comments 1645 01:04:41,138 --> 01:04:42,835 officials deem to be offensive, 1646 01:04:42,879 --> 01:04:44,402 and an accountant named Paul Chambers 1647 01:04:44,445 --> 01:04:46,012 was arrested for a Twitter joke 1648 01:04:46,056 --> 01:04:50,103 authorities misconstrued as a terrorist threat. 1649 01:04:50,147 --> 01:04:51,975 In France, Dieudonné's clashes 1650 01:04:52,018 --> 01:04:54,455 with authorities have fueled his popularity 1651 01:04:54,499 --> 01:04:56,849 and turned him into a martyr. 1652 01:04:56,893 --> 01:04:59,852 But today, more Americans support hate speech laws 1653 01:04:59,896 --> 01:05:01,245 than oppose them. 1654 01:05:01,288 --> 01:05:02,942 Yes, the same nation that thinks 1655 01:05:02,986 --> 01:05:04,335 it was ridiculous for cops 1656 01:05:04,378 --> 01:05:06,424 to arrest Lenny Bruce for words, 1657 01:05:06,467 --> 01:05:08,730 supports laws that would allow cops 1658 01:05:08,774 --> 01:05:11,342 to arrest people for words. 1659 01:05:19,654 --> 01:05:21,743 [Ron] We must not be afraid 1660 01:05:21,787 --> 01:05:22,962 to be free. 1661 01:05:23,006 --> 01:05:24,485 It's scary. 1662 01:05:24,529 --> 01:05:25,573 It really is. 1663 01:05:25,617 --> 01:05:26,792 And I think Lenny Bruce 1664 01:05:26,835 --> 01:05:28,533 brought that point home in spades. 1665 01:05:28,576 --> 01:05:30,100 [Bob] The pardon obviously 1666 01:05:30,143 --> 01:05:31,753 wasn't for Lenny Bruce 1667 01:05:31,797 --> 01:05:33,973 even though it was done in his name. 1668 01:05:34,017 --> 01:05:36,671 The pardon was really for the rest of us 1669 01:05:36,715 --> 01:05:39,544 to stand as sort of a public monument 1670 01:05:39,587 --> 01:05:41,111 to the values that we protect. 1671 01:05:41,154 --> 01:05:42,677 We do protect the outcasts. 1672 01:05:42,721 --> 01:05:46,333 We do protect the people who are there 1673 01:05:46,377 --> 01:05:48,205 and who will offend us. 1674 01:05:48,248 --> 01:05:49,641 If we can protect those people, 1675 01:05:49,684 --> 01:05:51,469 then all of us can sleep a little safer at night 1676 01:05:51,512 --> 01:05:53,079 because we know that we will be able 1677 01:05:53,123 --> 01:05:54,689 to express our ideas, too. 1678 01:05:54,733 --> 01:05:56,865 At the end of the day it's not like we have 1679 01:05:56,909 --> 01:05:59,477 all of the high cards when it comes to truth, 1680 01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,044 morality, 1681 01:06:01,087 --> 01:06:03,394 patriotism, what have you. 1682 01:06:03,437 --> 01:06:05,178 We need a few wild cards, 1683 01:06:05,222 --> 01:06:07,267 we need a few code breakers, 1684 01:06:07,311 --> 01:06:09,052 we need a few people 1685 01:06:09,095 --> 01:06:12,403 that are willing if you will to jerk our chains, 1686 01:06:12,446 --> 01:06:13,578 all right? 1687 01:06:13,621 --> 01:06:14,579 In other words, 1688 01:06:14,622 --> 01:06:16,624 we need more Lenny Bruces. 1689 01:06:24,023 --> 01:06:26,983 [Mel] You fucking offend me. 1690 01:06:27,026 --> 01:06:29,898 And you don't care about anyone but yourself. 1691 01:06:29,942 --> 01:06:32,727 [Gilbert] I remember when all the news stories 1692 01:06:32,771 --> 01:06:34,991 came out about Mel Gibson 1693 01:06:35,034 --> 01:06:37,210 being arrested for drunk driving. 1694 01:06:37,254 --> 01:06:39,604 The police woman was Jewish 1695 01:06:39,647 --> 01:06:42,781 and he started saying stuff about the Jews. 1696 01:06:42,824 --> 01:06:45,131 Then he started to say stuff 1697 01:06:45,175 --> 01:06:47,307 calling her sugar tits. 1698 01:06:47,351 --> 01:06:49,657 Then he started saying like, 1699 01:06:49,701 --> 01:06:53,052 that a group of African Americans, 1700 01:06:53,096 --> 01:06:58,101 only he didn't use the term African Americans, 1701 01:06:58,144 --> 01:07:00,755 should rape and kill his wife 1702 01:07:00,799 --> 01:07:03,976 or he was going to kill her, hitting her with a shovel 1703 01:07:04,020 --> 01:07:06,718 and burying her in the rose garden. 1704 01:07:06,761 --> 01:07:10,374 And after all that came out, all I could think is, 1705 01:07:10,417 --> 01:07:11,462 "Wait a minute, 1706 01:07:11,505 --> 01:07:13,464 what did he say about the Jews?" 1707 01:07:13,507 --> 01:07:17,555 So, I think people like to pick and choose 1708 01:07:17,598 --> 01:07:19,513 what to get offended by. 1709 01:07:19,557 --> 01:07:22,473 I think being offended is a smorgasbord 1710 01:07:22,516 --> 01:07:24,997 and you go, "Okay, I like this and this. 1711 01:07:25,041 --> 01:07:27,826 Oh, that I'm offended by, oh, this is good, 1712 01:07:27,869 --> 01:07:29,349 no, that one I'm offended." 1713 01:07:29,393 --> 01:07:31,525 Well, liberals are offended by certain things. 1714 01:07:31,569 --> 01:07:32,918 Blacks are offended by certain things. 1715 01:07:32,961 --> 01:07:34,224 Women are offended by certain things. 1716 01:07:34,267 --> 01:07:35,399 White Christian males are offended 1717 01:07:35,442 --> 01:07:36,748 by certain things. 1718 01:07:36,791 --> 01:07:37,792 We're all offended by whatever 1719 01:07:37,836 --> 01:07:39,185 violates our comfort zone. 1720 01:07:39,229 --> 01:07:41,013 [narrator] If comedians steered clear 1721 01:07:41,057 --> 01:07:42,971 of anything that violates someone's comfort zone, 1722 01:07:43,015 --> 01:07:45,409 imagine what the comedy shows of the future would be like. 1723 01:07:45,452 --> 01:07:47,063 [Jonathan] One of the first things you know 1724 01:07:47,106 --> 01:07:48,890 when a society is turning authoritarian 1725 01:07:48,934 --> 01:07:50,849 is the comedians start to worry. 1726 01:07:50,892 --> 01:07:52,459 When they start going for the comedians 1727 01:07:52,503 --> 01:07:53,895 everyone else needs to sweat. 1728 01:07:53,939 --> 01:07:55,201 Do you really want to live in a world 1729 01:07:55,245 --> 01:07:56,420 where people have to think twice 1730 01:07:56,463 --> 01:07:58,117 before they tell any kind of joke, 1731 01:07:58,161 --> 01:08:00,250 or question someone else's religion, 1732 01:08:00,293 --> 01:08:01,947 or question anybody at any level? 1733 01:08:01,990 --> 01:08:03,644 Because if you're going to say one person, 1734 01:08:03,688 --> 01:08:05,211 you know, who said something that you don't like, 1735 01:08:05,255 --> 01:08:06,343 doesn't have the right to do that, 1736 01:08:06,386 --> 01:08:08,127 then what about you? 1737 01:08:08,171 --> 01:08:09,868 What if you say something that someone doesn't like? 1738 01:08:09,911 --> 01:08:12,131 Along with the right to speak freely 1739 01:08:12,175 --> 01:08:14,829 comes a responsibility to have a thick skin. 1740 01:08:14,873 --> 01:08:16,179 Words can be hurtful 1741 01:08:16,222 --> 01:08:18,572 but they're not the same as violence 1742 01:08:18,616 --> 01:08:20,313 and they can be countered with other words. 1743 01:08:20,357 --> 01:08:22,098 And that's our responsibility. 1744 01:08:22,141 --> 01:08:23,751 It's the responsibility to put up 1745 01:08:23,795 --> 01:08:25,275 with being offended. 1746 01:08:27,190 --> 01:08:28,930 [narrator] So, where are we headed? 1747 01:08:28,974 --> 01:08:30,454 Will we embrace free speech 1748 01:08:30,497 --> 01:08:32,369 or will we turn toward America's past 1749 01:08:32,412 --> 01:08:33,848 and Europe's present 1750 01:08:33,892 --> 01:08:36,112 and arrest people for word crimes? 1751 01:08:36,155 --> 01:08:38,201 [Greg] The idea of a future in which we're all 1752 01:08:38,244 --> 01:08:40,855 always walking on eggshells does not appeal to me. 1753 01:08:40,899 --> 01:08:43,510 When I look ahead I see America 1754 01:08:43,554 --> 01:08:45,512 increasingly standing alone 1755 01:08:45,556 --> 01:08:47,819 as committed to the First Amendment in law. 1756 01:08:47,862 --> 01:08:49,516 And I don't think we're ever gonna get better with it. 1757 01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:50,909 This whole thing, like, every time 1758 01:08:50,952 --> 01:08:52,171 something big happens we're like, 1759 01:08:52,215 --> 01:08:53,738 "Oh, tide's about to turn." 1760 01:08:53,781 --> 01:08:55,305 It's never going to change. 1761 01:08:55,348 --> 01:08:58,003 It's gonna keep going downhill. 1762 01:08:58,046 --> 01:09:00,266 [Greg] There was this huge study that's done every year 1763 01:09:00,310 --> 01:09:02,181 and they ask citizens whether or not they think 1764 01:09:02,225 --> 01:09:03,704 the First Amendment went too far. 1765 01:09:03,748 --> 01:09:07,665 47% of people between the ages of 18 and 30 1766 01:09:07,708 --> 01:09:09,493 said the First Amendment goes too far. 1767 01:09:09,536 --> 01:09:11,147 This is terrifying to those of us 1768 01:09:11,190 --> 01:09:12,235 who care about free speech 1769 01:09:12,278 --> 01:09:13,497 and the future of free speech. 1770 01:09:13,540 --> 01:09:14,933 Everybody says, "I love free speech. 1771 01:09:14,976 --> 01:09:17,240 I love free thought, I love free expression," 1772 01:09:17,283 --> 01:09:18,589 but deep down they're all going, 1773 01:09:18,632 --> 01:09:20,330 "Except for when, except for when." 1774 01:09:20,373 --> 01:09:21,983 There's always that little asterisk, 1775 01:09:22,027 --> 01:09:24,464 as to--it doesn't-- that doesn't apply here. 1776 01:09:24,508 --> 01:09:28,642 But you might be interested in how I became offensive. 1777 01:09:28,686 --> 01:09:30,253 [narrator] You know, a comedian changed 1778 01:09:30,296 --> 01:09:31,645 the culture once, 1779 01:09:31,689 --> 01:09:34,431 maybe comedians will do it again. 1780 01:09:34,474 --> 01:09:36,041 [Lisa] We're not backing down. 1781 01:09:36,084 --> 01:09:38,261 I mean, we're not gonna quit anytime soon. 1782 01:09:38,304 --> 01:09:40,437 And I think-- I think people are a little, 1783 01:09:40,480 --> 01:09:41,960 like... 1784 01:09:42,003 --> 01:09:44,484 sick of these politically correct folks. 1785 01:09:44,528 --> 01:09:46,225 I like to think 1786 01:09:46,269 --> 01:09:47,661 that really 1787 01:09:47,705 --> 01:09:50,360 the majority of people 1788 01:09:50,403 --> 01:09:52,797 do have a brain in their heads 1789 01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:56,235 and aren't getting offended if they hear a joke. 1790 01:09:56,279 --> 01:09:58,106 I used to not invite my friends 1791 01:09:58,150 --> 01:09:59,325 that had herpes 1792 01:09:59,369 --> 01:10:01,980 to this all girl stand-up show that I did 1793 01:10:02,023 --> 01:10:03,851 because this one girl that I performed with 1794 01:10:03,895 --> 01:10:06,593 had a really, really funny herpes joke. 1795 01:10:06,637 --> 01:10:08,334 I'm, like, so codependent that I thought, 1796 01:10:08,378 --> 01:10:10,075 "God, I'm just gonna see my friend in the audience 1797 01:10:10,118 --> 01:10:11,207 and she's gonna talk about herpes 1798 01:10:11,250 --> 01:10:12,599 and I know she has herpes. 1799 01:10:12,643 --> 01:10:14,514 And that'll really hurt her feelings." 1800 01:10:14,558 --> 01:10:16,037 So, I didn't invite her to several shows. 1801 01:10:16,081 --> 01:10:17,909 And then all of a sudden she was at the show 1802 01:10:17,952 --> 01:10:19,476 and here is the girl I'm performing with 1803 01:10:19,519 --> 01:10:22,174 does the herpes stuff and I was like, "Oh, no!" 1804 01:10:22,218 --> 01:10:23,262 And I look out and she's laughing 1805 01:10:23,306 --> 01:10:25,264 harder than anyone. 1806 01:10:25,308 --> 01:10:27,223 -My double D sister over there! -[narrator] Karith Foster 1807 01:10:27,266 --> 01:10:28,789 is still using comedy to start 1808 01:10:28,833 --> 01:10:30,704 honest conversations on campus 1809 01:10:30,748 --> 01:10:32,619 and students geek out on free speech 1810 01:10:32,663 --> 01:10:34,186 at conferences organized 1811 01:10:34,230 --> 01:10:36,406 by Greg Lukianoff's organization. 1812 01:10:36,449 --> 01:10:38,538 Chris Lee has graduated from college 1813 01:10:38,582 --> 01:10:40,801 and now AIDS and cancer charities hire him 1814 01:10:40,845 --> 01:10:42,803 to tell filthy jokes at their events. 1815 01:10:42,847 --> 01:10:44,109 [Chris] They don't go, "Ugh, that joke 1816 01:10:44,152 --> 01:10:45,502 ruined my night." 1817 01:10:45,545 --> 01:10:47,286 Because it can't. They beat cancer. 1818 01:10:47,330 --> 01:10:48,374 [narrator] The world of comedy 1819 01:10:48,418 --> 01:10:49,767 is one of the few places 1820 01:10:49,810 --> 01:10:51,247 where playing the outrage card 1821 01:10:51,290 --> 01:10:52,596 doesn't work too well. 1822 01:10:52,639 --> 01:10:54,293 Thank goodness, plenty of us 1823 01:10:54,337 --> 01:10:56,643 can still get offended without having a meltdown. 1824 01:10:56,687 --> 01:10:58,515 And thank goodness, so many of us 1825 01:10:58,558 --> 01:10:59,646 can still take a joke. 1826 01:10:59,690 --> 01:11:01,605 To get all these emails saying, 1827 01:11:01,648 --> 01:11:03,346 "Oh, my God, we'll be the four gay guys in the front. 1828 01:11:03,389 --> 01:11:05,565 Please call us this or call us that." 1829 01:11:05,609 --> 01:11:07,306 I have guys come up to me on the street and say, 1830 01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:09,265 "Hey, call my friend and call them this" 1831 01:11:09,308 --> 01:11:10,657 or "Call my wife and call her the 'C' word. 1832 01:11:10,701 --> 01:11:12,050 She'll--she loves you." 1833 01:11:12,093 --> 01:11:13,486 'Cause I've had handicapped people 1834 01:11:13,530 --> 01:11:15,619 come up to me or write me letters saying, 1835 01:11:15,662 --> 01:11:17,708 "I think it's bullshit that you don't make fun of us. 1836 01:11:17,751 --> 01:11:19,318 Like, we can't take a joke?" 1837 01:11:19,362 --> 01:11:21,973 The race to be the most outraged 1838 01:11:22,016 --> 01:11:23,627 is really, really awful stuff, 1839 01:11:23,670 --> 01:11:25,019 but you're not gonna be talking about this 1840 01:11:25,063 --> 01:11:26,325 in 20 years. 1841 01:11:26,369 --> 01:11:28,371 Yeah, this will be completely fixed. 1842 01:11:28,414 --> 01:11:30,590 We have to scream at it and stand on the mountaintops 1843 01:11:30,634 --> 01:11:32,200 and have no fear and yell, 1844 01:11:32,244 --> 01:11:34,551 "You cannot put a chilling effect 1845 01:11:34,594 --> 01:11:35,769 on our freedom of speech. 1846 01:11:35,813 --> 01:11:37,249 But, oh, by the way, 1847 01:11:37,293 --> 01:11:39,425 keep in mind while we're doing this 1848 01:11:39,469 --> 01:11:40,948 that we're gonna win." 1849 01:11:40,992 --> 01:11:43,647 [music] 130298

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