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[Gilbert]
I'd like to apologize
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if I hurt anyone
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with anything
I'm going to say
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or if
it's an opposing viewpoint
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to one you might have.
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And if I look
like I'm thinking
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about something
that might be offensive,
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please, I apologize
for hurting you.
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[music]
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And I'm very sorry
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that I bothered you
or upset any of you.
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[music]
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I genuinely...
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am deeply sorry to anyone
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who's ever been affected
by that term.
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I'm sorry I did that.
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I want to apologize
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for a comment that I made
on last night's Fashion Police
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about Zendaya's hair.
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I'm embarrassed
that I did that.
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I've learned it is not
my intent that matters,
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it's the result.
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And the result
is that people
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are offended.
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I did a bad thing.
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I cannot spend
every night apologizing.
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I'm here to apologize.
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I'm sorry.
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I hope
you'll accept my apology.
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-Are you ready?
-[all] Yeah.
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Then light your torches
and go.
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[narrator]
It doesn't take much
to rile up
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the outrage mob these days.
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If you're a comedian,
there might be calls
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for your show
to be cancelled
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if someone takes offense
at your joke.
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You might have
to kiss your big,
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new gig good-bye.
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You could get fired
or get death threats.
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You might even
get attacked on stage.
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Most people just give
into the mob's demands,
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but some comics are brave
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or stupid enough
to fight back.
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I think people like to be
offended because there's like
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a really weird sense
of empowerment
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with being offended.
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I think it's
an attention-seeking device.
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If you think
you have the right
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not to be offended,
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either change
your parameters
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of what offends you
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or just realize
you're wrong.
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Those are your two choices.
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[narrator]
Jim Norton devotes
a lot of his act
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to raging
against outrage.
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Why is comedy
the only form of the arts
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where people think
that they have to agree with
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or approve the content?
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Why is that?
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You don't walk
through a museum
with a towel
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and throw it
over paintings
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that you don't like.
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[audience laughing]
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I don't want anybody else
seeing this
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because
I didn't quite enjoy it.
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[laughing continues]
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Someone will find something
about every jokes
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down to the most
benign subject
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till we're all like
five year olds
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and can't say anything.
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If comedians
avoided every topic
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that might offend someone,
there's nothing to talk about.
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Pressuring the person
to make a fake apology
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over whatever it is
that he's said
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that got your panties
in a bunch.
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I don't know why we look
at this as progress.
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If you're easily offended,
please don't come
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to a comedy show.
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When people are outraged
by something,
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they're also
patting themselves
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on the back,
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like, "Hey,
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I'm a good person,
I was outraged."
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People just love
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to be offended and they love
to talk about it.
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[narrator]
More and more comedians
are getting fed up
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with outrage.
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They say it's time
for the mob
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to learn
how to take a joke.
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[Penn]
We don't have a legal right
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to not be offended,
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but you have a social right
to avoid things
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that offend you.
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So, your feelings
got hurt,
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it's not
the end of the world.
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I've always refused
to apologize for a joke.
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There's a lot of people
out there whose job is to be
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offended for other people.
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It's almost like people
have gotten soft.
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The Marx brothers
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were rebellious.
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Nowadays,
you'd watch them and you go,
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"Oh,
he's advocating smoking
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and the other guy
is anti-Italian
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and that guy
is making fun of people
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-who can't speak."
-I get offended.
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And we're getting
to the point where
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outrage is a powerful
political tool.
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There's plenty of things
that have offended me,
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but that's where
it begins and ends.
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I'm offended,
who gives a fuck?
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But people,
like, wanna take it
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a step further and go,
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"I want you to know
I'm offended
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and I'd like
something done."
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[woman]
Comedy's lovable queen
of mean,
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Lisa Lampanelli.
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[cheers and applause]
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[Lisa]
Context in comedy
is the be all and end all.
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If I'm making fun
of every single nationality,
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race, height, weight,
et cetera during my show,
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the context is that
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we're all the same,
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we're all gonna
get made fun of.
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Thank you homos
for skipping a night
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of watching Bravo TV.
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[audience laughing]
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Oh, my God,
that one who jumped up,
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this big queen right here.
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Oh!
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He is so gay, he jerks off
to Antique Roadshow.
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By the end of the show
the white guy
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who got made fun of
for being gay
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or being, you know, blind,
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or--I had a deaf guy
a couple of weeks ago
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who was amazing.
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He suddenly goes,
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"Oh, that's what black people
feel like.
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That's what the Asian people
feel like."
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So, I think that's what brings
people together going,
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"We all the same
in this bitch."
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My only line has ever been,
if I can't make it funny
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I'm not gonna do it.
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Rape can't be taken off
the table, AIDS, everything.
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Every time I do an AIDS
and a rape joke,
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it kills
and you know what,
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it's because
we're scared of it.
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And if you're running away
from it
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and you're not
confronting it,
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you're a pussy
and you're not standing up
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to it.
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So, I think that's why
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you have to make fun
of those subjects.
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I think it's very hot
that we have such sexy blacks
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and spics at this show.
[imitates cat's meow]
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If I can't get raped
by the end of this night,
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I want my money back.
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No, I mean, come on, man,
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if this guy jumps me
after the show,
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that ain't a felony,
that is lawful entry.
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[audience laughing]
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[narrator]
Lisa Lampanelli
markets herself
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as an insult comic,
but even she can't escape
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the outrage mob.
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[Lisa]
If we as comics steered
clear of every topic
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that might offend someone,
we would never open our mouth,
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I mean, literally,
because I have made a joke
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about the band Journey once
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and a guy almost stormed
the stage.
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What the fuck
is wrong with you?
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[crowd cheering]
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Look up the funny and sue,
you ugly fuck.
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[cheers and applause]
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[Lisa]
I'm like, "Really?
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You didn't mind spic,
chink, kike,
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Jew bastard, cocksucker,
but Journey?"
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That's Steve Perry,
motherfucker.
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[narrator]
So, what's a comedian
supposed to do these days,
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play it safe?
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[Gilbert]
George Carlin once said
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it's the duty of a comedian
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to find out
where the line is drawn
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and deliberately
cross over it.
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I, of course,
always like that line
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because he says duty.
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There so many times that,
you know,
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we get the wool pulled
over our eyes
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in society by, you know,
certain powers
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that be who wanna get away
with stuff.
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And I see
the role of comedians
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as the torch bearer.
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You know,
we shine the light
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on what's really going on.
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It's an amazing lineage
of people
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who've taken on
that responsibility.
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[narrator]
Richard Pryor took on
that responsibility.
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And before him,
George Carlin.
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But today's
stand-up comedians
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trace their lineage
back to Lenny Bruce.
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[Steve Allen]
Now, ladies and gentlemen
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here is
a very shocking comedian,
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the most shocking comedian
of our time,
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a young man
who is skyrocketing to fame,
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Lenny Bruce.
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Here he is.
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[cheers and applause]
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There are words
that offend me.
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Let's see.
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Governor Faubus,
segregation offend me,
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nighttime television
offends me,
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some nighttime television.
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He's honest,
he's--he's smart,
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he's funny,
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and he's a hero.
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[narrator]
Penn Jillette is the taller,
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louder half of the comedy
and magic duo Penn & Teller.
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He says Lenny Bruce
was an early
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showbiz inspiration.
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[Penn]
It was like nothing
I'd ever seen
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on TV
or in situation comedies.
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[narrator]
The Beverly Hillbillies
was America's
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favorite sitcom
when Lenny was trying
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to make a name
for himself.
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It was the early '60s,
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and ba-da-boomp jokes
were all the rage.
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Anyway,
I'm back in television again,
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I was on television
about four weeks ago.
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I received two offers
for plastic surgery.
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[audience laughing]
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[narrator]
Lenny turned comedy
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in a different direction.
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The personal quality
of Lenny
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talking about
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his real life
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was just mind-blowing.
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That changed comedy forever.
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[laughing]
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You listen to Lenny Bruce
and nothing is surprising
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and that's because everyone
ripped him off.
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The whole world changed
to come around to him.
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[Ron]
When I think of Lenny Bruce,
one of the words
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that comes to mind
is risk.
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He never saw a taboo
he wasn't willing to bust.
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He never saw a line
he wasn't willing to cross.
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[audience laughing]
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[Ron]
And where did he bust out?
Did he bust out on television?
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No.
Did he bust out on radio?
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No, not really.
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He busted out
in comedy clubs.
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[audience laughing]
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[Ron]
Nobody ever complained
to the authorities
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about Lenny Bruce's act.
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I mean, if you're worried
about that,
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you don't go to a venue
after midnight,
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you know, with a bunch of,
you know,
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bearded, beaded,
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drunk,
inebriated stoned people.
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So, nobody ever complained,
but the cops were there.
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[narrator]
It got to the point
where Lenny expected cops
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to attend his shows.
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And Lenny Bruce
would do things like,
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you know,
he'd go through a whole show
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and no dirty words,
and then come on,
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let's, you know,
do an encore
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and the police are right there
and said,
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"You know, I'm sorry
I disappointed you,
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men in blue,
by not saying cocksucker."
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-Boom.
-[narrator] And that's what
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Lenny got arrested for
in San Francisco.
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He would later talk
about the bust
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during his act,
tap dancing around
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the forbidden word.
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[Ron] Jokes
about controversial issues.
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Jokes about race,
jokes about religion.
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The Jews killed Christ.
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I can't tell you
how long I've had to listen
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to this stuff.
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Okay, let's set
the record straight.
It's true.
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We killed him
and if he comes back,
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we'll kill him again.
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Well, funny to the people,
you know,
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in the audience,
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not so funny
to the Irish cops there.
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[narrator]
Police arrested Lenny
in Chicago,
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in Los Angeles,
in San Francisco.
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Lenny had to worry about cops
at his shows,
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but nobody else
complained.
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Today, it's the reverse.
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Cops no longer
arrest comedians
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at clubs, but the people
are complaining.
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It's almost
as if we've been taught
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to love censorship.
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[music]
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[narrator]
Oh, college.
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It's where you can finally
live on your own.
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Be free.
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-Be yourself.
-♪ And we're banned
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♪ From Argo, everyone
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♪ Banned from Argo
just for having a little fun ♪
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-♪ We spend...
-[narrator] Just be careful
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if you're trying
to be funny.
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We were accused
of sexual harassment
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for an April Fool's
article.
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[narrator]
She's the editor
of a student newspaper
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at the University
of Alaska, Fairbanks.
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And her offense
was running an article
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about
a vagina-shaped building.
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[woman]
Because it was a joke.
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I was poking fun
at the culture
that we live in.
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[narrator]
And what about
the good things Hitler did?
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Rutgers University
thought this
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April fool's article
was anti-Semitic.
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So, what if the author
is Jewish.
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This Syracuse University
law student
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almost got
kicked out of school
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because some people said
his satirical blog
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was offensive.
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Members
of the Tufts University
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rowing team were suspended
for wearing this shirt
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as in coxswain,
as in this guy.
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These days most colleges
enforce strict speech codes
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that punish students
for everything
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from telling jokes
to committing the crime
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of inappropriately
directed laughter.
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[Norton]
Yeah, they're very uptight.
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You know,
we interviewed Carlin in 2007
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and he said that,
"I've been bashing colleges
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for years for that."
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And Carlin goes,
"Man, I hate to say it,
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but all the censorship
is coming from the left
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and it's coming
from the college campuses."
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We all got to understand
that we could expect
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censorship
from the right wing,
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but to expect it
from the left wing,
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from the politically correct
people
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in the campuses,
that caught me by surprise.
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[Noam]
Good evening everybody,
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welcome to
the Comedy Cellar Show
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here on Channel 99,
SiriusXM world of comedy hits.
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We have
a very special guest here.
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So, this man
has devoted his life,
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I'd say to free speech
and he's quite an intersection
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with comedian.
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[narrator]
Greg Lukianoff
is the president of FIRE,
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the Foundation
for Individual Rights
in Education,
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a national nonprofit
that fights
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for free speech
on college campuses.
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I interned at the ACLU
of Northern California.
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I studied the history
of censorship,
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you know, going back
to, like, the 16th century,
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and nothing prepared me
for how easy it is
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to get in trouble
on the modern college campus.
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I think
there is a direct line
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between the stuff
that's going on in campuses
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and the idiots
who I get angry emails from.
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[narrator]
New York City's
legendary Comedy Cellar
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has long been at the center
of the stand-up world.
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Before performances,
owner Noam Dworman
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hosts his SiriusXM
Comedy Cellar Show.
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Everybody feels
they have a right
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to be insulated
from whatever it is
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they decide offends them,
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and we're getting emails
all the time
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from customers and it--
and it boggles my mind.
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[man]
But those customers
have the right.
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If you--yeah, those customers
have the right
to send you emails
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-and they have the right
to be offended.
-They should also fucking
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stay home
if they don't wanna hear
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this kind of humor.
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[Chris] I've gone
on the Klu Klux Klan site
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to see some
of their greatest jokes
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and I'd say about 10%
of them are winners.
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Absolutely
have me rolling.
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90%, a little harsh.
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My name is
Christopher Lee.
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I'm from Washington
State University.
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I wrote a play called
Passion of the Musical,
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which was about satire
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about the last two days
of Jesus.
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[narrator]
Lee cast himself in the role
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of a cross-dressing Satan.
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[Chris]
This play was
specifically designed
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to offend everyone.
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I went for the gold
from whatever religion
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you were
to whatever you believed in,
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to this country
I love so dearly.
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I wanna write something
that makes people go,
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"Yeah,
that was hilarious,"
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or they're so mad
that they go,
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"I'll tell you why
my religion is important,
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why women's rights
is important."
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[Greg]
Nobody could've done
a better job of saying,
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"Hey, guys,
if you don't wanna see
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an offensive comedy,
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don't come
to this comedy musical
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because I wrote it
with the intention
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of actually
offending people."
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Everyone had to sign
a contract
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coming into the show,
knowing it would be offensive.
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On the door,
there was all the words
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that I said including
a giant banner that said,
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"A song contains
the word cunt 24 times."
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[man]
I'm offended.
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[audience laughing]
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[Chris]
I had people
who enjoyed certain parts.
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They liked
the Latino sweeping
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the floor across the stage
and taking a siesta.
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But when I have giant letters
that spell out AIDS
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or cunt come across stage,
you know,
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and then people going,
"Well, that's not funny."
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And I was like,
"I see so.
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As long as it doesn't touch
home base on you,
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it's funny,
but then as soon as it does,
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that's the most offensive
outrageous things
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I've ever heard
and you have no right
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-to ever say it."
-He was a sociology student
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so he was kind of saying,
"I'm gonna do this experiment.
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It's gonna show, like,
we're all way too uptight.
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Everyone's gonna be
getting along,
it's gonna be fun,
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and it didn't quite
work out that way."
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[all chattering]
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[Chris]
The university
has contacted me and said,
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"We have 40 people
who'd like to see the show."
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As soon as the show
started off, they started--
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they handed out
little fliers saying,
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"If they say something
you don't like,
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stand up and say
'I'm offended'."
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And so, once the first song
starts happening,
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people started saying,
"I'm offended.
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I'm offended.
I'm offended."
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And then the "I'm offended"
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changed into
"You're gonna die.
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We're gonna get you."
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[Chris]
The crowd had weapons.
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I actually lost
two cast members.
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They ran outside.
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We had to call the police
halfway through the show,
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and when
we called the police
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they're offended
by the topics.
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So, the cops
stopped my show
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and let me know
that if I proceeded
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and the crowd got up
and attacked,
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they would not help
because they said
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I would be kind of
riling them up.
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If I get attacked,
the police would sit there,
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and I was like,
I guess watch me get assaulted
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or whatever.
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[Karith]
College is supposed to be
this place
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where you go to grow,
to explore,
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to learn,
to express yourself.
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[narrator]
Karith Foster performs
at many top clubs,
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like The Laugh Factory
in Hollywood
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and the Gotham Comedy Club
in New York.
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I used to be able
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to describe myself
in one word,
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I could tell you, people,
I was a Huxtable, right?
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And people got it.
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Like, a year ago,
people were like,
"Oh, yeah. Sure.
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She comes from--in a fluent
African-American family.
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Her parents
are professionals."
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Now, I say that
and people think my dad
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was feeding
my Girl Scout troop.
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[audience laughing]
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[narrator]
She's also on a mission
to get colleges
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to loosen up.
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[cheers and applause]
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[Karith]
I started a humorous
diversity program
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that I take to colleges
with a fellow comedian,
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a friend of mine,
Adam Lehman,
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he's a gay comic.
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It's called
Stereotype 101.
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The idea is to use humor
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to broach
the sensitive topics.
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There were 1,200 people
in my graduating class
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from high school,
12 of us were black.
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That's 1%.
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I had to import my prom date
because I wanted a brown one.
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[narrator]
Now, of course,
it takes many years
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to learn how to make
audiences laugh,
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and that's why Foster
says schools
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should cut
student comedians
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lots of slack.
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[Karith]
Now, college is where you go
to find out who you are.
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It's also where
you find your voice.
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And, you know, that's a term
we use in comedy as well,
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"Finding your voice,"
when you figure out, you know,
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your style.
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[narrator]
Salvador Rodriguez
is a student comedian
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at Reed College
in Portland, Oregon.
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From the lush campus
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to the mostly white
student body,
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the environment is quite
a change for Rodriguez.
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[Salvador]
My father came
to the United States
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illegally from Mexico.
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I went to high school
in South Los Angeles
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at a high school
that was 70% black.
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Reed isn't very easy
to make jokes about it
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because the people here,
they have a lot of hang-ups
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about a lot of words.
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[Sean]
Sal's style of humor
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is fairly confrontational.
504
00:21:05,612 --> 00:21:06,613
He likes to push buttons.
505
00:21:14,185 --> 00:21:16,275
[audience laughing]
506
00:21:16,318 --> 00:21:17,972
[narrator]
The campus comedians
enjoy performing
507
00:21:18,015 --> 00:21:20,409
risque routines,
and they warn people
508
00:21:20,453 --> 00:21:22,716
who are easily offended
to stay far away
509
00:21:22,759 --> 00:21:24,370
-from their shows.
-[Sean] Please welcome
510
00:21:24,413 --> 00:21:25,371
Sal Rodriguez.
511
00:21:25,414 --> 00:21:27,024
[cheers and applause]
512
00:21:35,903 --> 00:21:37,600
[audience laughing]
513
00:21:37,644 --> 00:21:39,385
[narrator]
This show included
some things
514
00:21:39,428 --> 00:21:42,344
you probably won't see
at your local comedy club.
515
00:21:42,388 --> 00:21:44,041
[Salvador]
The performer before me
516
00:21:44,085 --> 00:21:46,130
got naked
517
00:21:46,174 --> 00:21:48,437
and performed his entire act
completely nude.
518
00:21:48,481 --> 00:21:50,439
[narrator]
The show chugged along
through the nudity
519
00:21:50,483 --> 00:21:52,093
and Rodriguez's
blue material,
520
00:21:52,136 --> 00:21:53,224
but when
he started talking about
521
00:21:53,268 --> 00:21:54,835
the majors women choose,
522
00:21:54,878 --> 00:21:57,577
an audience member
began heckling him.
523
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,684
[narrator]
The heckling continued
524
00:22:17,727 --> 00:22:20,469
and Rodriguez
kind of lost his patience.
525
00:22:20,513 --> 00:22:22,210
[Salvador]
You fucking loudmouthed cunt.
526
00:22:22,253 --> 00:22:23,733
Keep your mouth shut.
527
00:22:23,777 --> 00:22:27,520
And it was at that point
that she stormed the stage
528
00:22:27,563 --> 00:22:30,523
and she grabbed
the mic away.
529
00:22:40,228 --> 00:22:41,490
[narrator]
The following week,
530
00:22:41,534 --> 00:22:43,057
the school paper
ran a piece
531
00:22:43,100 --> 00:22:44,928
that Rodriguez says
got his act all wrong.
532
00:22:44,972 --> 00:22:46,713
Whether they had seen it
or not,
533
00:22:46,756 --> 00:22:49,106
lots of students
were offended.
534
00:22:49,150 --> 00:22:50,499
Well, he got
a lot of lash back.
535
00:22:50,543 --> 00:22:52,196
The outcry at Reed
was very much
536
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:53,676
against the speech
that happened.
537
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,461
He's definitely gained
a reputation
538
00:22:55,504 --> 00:22:56,723
as an asshole on campus.
539
00:22:56,766 --> 00:22:58,333
And I think
that there should be
540
00:22:58,377 --> 00:22:59,856
some sort of check
on whether that sort of thing
541
00:22:59,900 --> 00:23:01,510
should be allowed
to happen again.
542
00:23:01,554 --> 00:23:03,033
[Salvador]
I yelled back
at a--at a heckler.
543
00:23:03,077 --> 00:23:04,644
In comedy clubs
544
00:23:04,687 --> 00:23:06,472
it's well established
that if you're a heckler
545
00:23:06,515 --> 00:23:07,734
you can be yelled at.
546
00:23:07,777 --> 00:23:09,518
[narrator]
But the administration
547
00:23:09,562 --> 00:23:12,216
launched an investigation,
accusing him of offenses
548
00:23:12,260 --> 00:23:13,870
like directing
a hostile comment
549
00:23:13,914 --> 00:23:15,263
at a female student,
550
00:23:15,306 --> 00:23:16,873
and the Feminist
Student Union
551
00:23:16,917 --> 00:23:18,658
held a support group
for those traumatized
552
00:23:18,701 --> 00:23:19,920
by his act.
553
00:23:19,963 --> 00:23:21,487
There's a support group.
554
00:23:21,530 --> 00:23:23,445
Well, I hope that whoever ran
the support group
555
00:23:23,489 --> 00:23:26,970
for those students
told them to get over it,
556
00:23:27,014 --> 00:23:29,495
told them that this guy,
whatever he said,
557
00:23:29,538 --> 00:23:31,932
if it upset them,
then he was being a jackass
558
00:23:31,975 --> 00:23:34,413
and don't go
to any more of his shows.
559
00:23:34,456 --> 00:23:36,371
I actually went to the second
oldest women's college
560
00:23:36,415 --> 00:23:37,503
in the country, Stephens.
561
00:23:37,546 --> 00:23:38,852
And one of the things
562
00:23:38,895 --> 00:23:40,506
that I appreciated
about that school
563
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:45,075
is that it was so not
about being a victim,
564
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:46,425
it was so about
being powerful.
565
00:23:49,340 --> 00:23:50,951
As a mother
of two daughters,
566
00:23:50,994 --> 00:23:54,563
I don't want
anyone's words
567
00:23:54,607 --> 00:23:57,827
to affect who they become
as adults.
568
00:23:57,871 --> 00:24:00,221
I want them to be confident
and strong
569
00:24:00,264 --> 00:24:01,788
in who they are,
570
00:24:01,831 --> 00:24:04,355
and not be deterred
571
00:24:04,399 --> 00:24:07,489
by other people's
stereotypes,
572
00:24:07,533 --> 00:24:09,709
other people's ignorance.
573
00:24:14,017 --> 00:24:16,280
[narrator]
Back at Washington State
University,
574
00:24:16,324 --> 00:24:19,022
Chris Lee discovered
a little something new
575
00:24:19,066 --> 00:24:22,243
about the audience members
who shouted down his musical.
576
00:24:22,286 --> 00:24:23,418
[Chris]
I didn't know it at the time,
577
00:24:23,462 --> 00:24:24,767
but later we figured out
578
00:24:24,811 --> 00:24:26,421
that the university
paid these people
579
00:24:26,465 --> 00:24:29,163
to come into my show
and shout it down.
580
00:24:29,206 --> 00:24:30,730
They came in there
to shut down my show.
581
00:24:49,226 --> 00:24:51,011
[narrator]
It's actually pretty common
582
00:24:51,054 --> 00:24:53,404
to see students
shouting down speakers.
583
00:24:57,408 --> 00:24:58,366
[woman]
Shut your mouth!
584
00:24:58,409 --> 00:25:00,455
[cheers and applause]
585
00:25:00,499 --> 00:25:01,587
[Noam]
Shouting someone down--
586
00:25:01,630 --> 00:25:03,458
Shouting someone down.
Yeah--
587
00:25:03,502 --> 00:25:05,286
-...is not freedom of speech.
-No, it's mob censorship.
588
00:25:05,329 --> 00:25:08,463
And it's kind of like
students going,
589
00:25:08,507 --> 00:25:11,510
"Hey, there's two sides
to each story?
590
00:25:11,553 --> 00:25:13,642
I don't want to hear
the other side."
591
00:25:13,686 --> 00:25:14,904
[Lisa]
When I hear a story
592
00:25:14,948 --> 00:25:16,863
about this Chris Lee,
593
00:25:16,906 --> 00:25:19,605
it's just clear bullying
and threats to a comic.
594
00:25:19,648 --> 00:25:21,737
[narrator]
Today, many students
hold their tongues
595
00:25:21,781 --> 00:25:23,913
because they don't want
to anger the outrage mob.
596
00:25:23,957 --> 00:25:25,611
[Greg]
In a 2010 study,
597
00:25:25,654 --> 00:25:28,744
they asked 25,000 students,
"Is it safe to merely hold
598
00:25:28,788 --> 00:25:30,006
unpopular points of view
on campus?"
599
00:25:30,050 --> 00:25:31,268
This is the kind of question
you ask
600
00:25:31,312 --> 00:25:32,574
when you want
a hundred percent
601
00:25:32,618 --> 00:25:33,793
of people saying,
"Well, yeah, sure,
602
00:25:33,836 --> 00:25:35,403
it's safe to hold them."
603
00:25:35,446 --> 00:25:37,274
Only 40% of students
604
00:25:37,318 --> 00:25:38,667
strongly agreed
with the statement
605
00:25:38,711 --> 00:25:40,147
that it's safe
to merely hold
606
00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:42,236
unpopular points of view
on campus.
607
00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:43,759
But guess what?
608
00:25:43,803 --> 00:25:46,632
Every single year,
that number went down.
609
00:25:46,675 --> 00:25:48,895
By senior year,
only 30% strongly agreed
610
00:25:48,938 --> 00:25:50,244
with the statement
that it's safe to hold
611
00:25:50,287 --> 00:25:51,724
unpopular points of view
on campus.
612
00:25:51,767 --> 00:25:53,160
[Chris]
They were calling me
Black Hitler
613
00:25:53,203 --> 00:25:55,466
because
the Jews weren't safe,
614
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:57,991
the blacks weren't safe,
no one--no women weren't safe.
615
00:25:58,034 --> 00:26:00,254
They said I was so outrageous
that they were willing
616
00:26:00,297 --> 00:26:04,127
to compare me to someone
who did such atrocities.
617
00:26:12,048 --> 00:26:13,702
[Chris]
I'd let them know
when I arrived on campus.
618
00:26:13,746 --> 00:26:14,921
They'd come.
619
00:26:14,964 --> 00:26:16,792
They'd make sure
I got to class,
620
00:26:16,836 --> 00:26:18,838
but they were like,
"People are just
expressing themselves.
621
00:26:18,881 --> 00:26:20,230
They were kind of outraged
with you.
622
00:26:20,274 --> 00:26:21,667
They're not
going to do anything."
623
00:26:21,710 --> 00:26:23,799
I was like, "Well, why
do I have security?"
624
00:26:23,843 --> 00:26:27,934
It's like they literally
endangered the kids' life,
you know?
625
00:26:27,977 --> 00:26:30,893
And it's just evil,
and it's manipulative,
626
00:26:30,937 --> 00:26:33,504
and awful,
and I hope they get AIDS.
627
00:26:33,548 --> 00:26:34,810
No, I do.
628
00:26:34,854 --> 00:26:36,290
If you're listening,
hi, AIDS.
629
00:26:36,333 --> 00:26:37,204
Go attack those people.
630
00:27:00,401 --> 00:27:01,707
[narrator]
Lenny had become so consumed
631
00:27:01,750 --> 00:27:03,317
with his legal troubles
632
00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:04,840
that he began to read
court transcripts
633
00:27:04,884 --> 00:27:06,712
from his cases
during performances.
634
00:27:15,459 --> 00:27:17,418
And it--here it is.
Oh, yeah.
635
00:27:22,945 --> 00:27:24,425
[narrator]
He figured the court system
636
00:27:24,468 --> 00:27:26,079
wouldn't grant him
a fair hearing,
637
00:27:26,122 --> 00:27:29,299
so he pled his case
to audiences instead.
638
00:27:29,343 --> 00:27:30,344
[Ron]
He'd been busted
639
00:27:30,387 --> 00:27:32,085
in San Francisco.
640
00:27:32,128 --> 00:27:33,869
He's busted
in Los Angeles.
641
00:27:33,913 --> 00:27:35,610
He's busted in Chicago.
642
00:27:35,654 --> 00:27:38,178
So, by the time he gets
to New York,
643
00:27:38,221 --> 00:27:40,876
you know,
his reputation has spread
644
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,704
and the police are there
645
00:27:42,748 --> 00:27:44,880
that night
at the Cafe au Go-Go.
646
00:27:44,924 --> 00:27:46,752
[narrator]
New York prosecutor,
Richard Kuh,
647
00:27:46,795 --> 00:27:48,101
had been expecting Lenny.
648
00:27:48,144 --> 00:27:51,495
[Ron]
He was absolutely determined
649
00:27:51,539 --> 00:27:53,280
to send Lenny Bruce
to jail.
650
00:27:53,323 --> 00:27:55,456
[narrator]
Bob Dylan, Woody Allen,
651
00:27:55,499 --> 00:27:58,067
James Baldwin,
and other famous artists
652
00:27:58,111 --> 00:27:59,634
testified on his behalf,
653
00:27:59,678 --> 00:28:01,244
during a trial
that would last
654
00:28:01,288 --> 00:28:02,593
for six months.
655
00:28:02,637 --> 00:28:03,769
It's amazing.
656
00:28:03,812 --> 00:28:05,466
I mean,
for a few dirty words,
657
00:28:05,509 --> 00:28:07,555
I mean, you know,
all sorts of expert witnesses,
658
00:28:07,598 --> 00:28:09,818
three judges, three.
659
00:28:09,862 --> 00:28:11,211
[narrator]
The long trial
660
00:28:11,254 --> 00:28:13,561
had taken a mental toll
on Lenny.
661
00:28:13,604 --> 00:28:15,345
He became
increasingly obsessed
662
00:28:15,389 --> 00:28:17,478
with vindicating himself
and his comedy.
663
00:28:17,521 --> 00:28:19,175
He grew desperate,
fired his lawyers,
664
00:28:19,219 --> 00:28:20,568
and delivered
665
00:28:20,611 --> 00:28:22,222
the closing arguments
himself.
666
00:28:22,265 --> 00:28:25,704
[Ron]
The trial was
both comic and tragic.
667
00:28:25,747 --> 00:28:27,749
[narrator]
On November 4th, 1964,
668
00:28:27,793 --> 00:28:30,447
Lenny Bruce was found guilty
of obscenity.
669
00:28:30,491 --> 00:28:32,841
He was sentenced
to four months behind bars.
670
00:28:32,885 --> 00:28:34,756
But before being taken
into custody,
671
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,323
he fled to Los Angeles
672
00:28:36,366 --> 00:28:38,586
in an attempt to preserve
his freedom.
673
00:28:49,553 --> 00:28:50,946
[Ron]
He was convicted
674
00:28:50,990 --> 00:28:53,601
for using four letter words
in a comedy club
675
00:28:53,644 --> 00:28:56,647
in Greenwich Village
after midnight.
676
00:28:56,691 --> 00:28:58,780
A, B, and C, and we're gonna
enforce a rule because...
677
00:28:58,824 --> 00:28:59,955
[Ron]
Lenny Bruce
678
00:28:59,999 --> 00:29:01,870
is at the end of his rope.
679
00:29:01,914 --> 00:29:04,177
They're about to foreclose
on his home.
680
00:29:04,220 --> 00:29:05,744
He doesn't have any money.
681
00:29:05,787 --> 00:29:07,223
He can't get
a job anywhere
682
00:29:07,267 --> 00:29:08,703
because of all
these obscenity prosecutions.
683
00:29:13,839 --> 00:29:15,536
[Ron]
He's got a pretty serious
drug problem
684
00:29:15,579 --> 00:29:17,538
and a pretty serious
depression problem.
685
00:29:17,581 --> 00:29:20,410
You mix them all together,
686
00:29:20,454 --> 00:29:21,629
you know what happens.
687
00:29:24,850 --> 00:29:26,895
[narrator]
Lenny Bruce died
of a drug overdose
688
00:29:26,939 --> 00:29:29,855
on August 3rd, 1966.
689
00:29:29,898 --> 00:29:31,682
He was 40 years old.
690
00:29:31,726 --> 00:29:33,684
♪ All alone
691
00:29:34,816 --> 00:29:37,471
♪ All alone
692
00:29:37,514 --> 00:29:39,560
♪ I'll be rich
693
00:29:39,603 --> 00:29:42,302
♪ But so
694
00:29:42,345 --> 00:29:45,522
♪ All alone
695
00:29:52,791 --> 00:29:55,445
[Ron]
But within a year
after his death,
696
00:29:55,489 --> 00:29:57,491
this great Phoenix rises.
697
00:29:59,058 --> 00:30:00,450
There was a movie
about Lenny Bruce
698
00:30:00,494 --> 00:30:01,625
with Dustin Hoffman.
699
00:30:01,669 --> 00:30:02,626
[man]
He was a comic.
700
00:30:02,670 --> 00:30:03,976
A cynic. A satirist.
701
00:30:04,019 --> 00:30:05,542
A criminal. A genius.
702
00:30:05,586 --> 00:30:06,848
[Dustin]
Have you ever seen
so much blue
703
00:30:06,892 --> 00:30:09,329
in all your life?
704
00:30:09,372 --> 00:30:11,766
[man]
Newsweek described
his cause of death
705
00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:13,463
as an overdose of police.
706
00:30:13,507 --> 00:30:15,639
[Ron]
And he becomes this
great American icon.
707
00:30:15,683 --> 00:30:19,730
♪ Lenny Bruce was trying
to tell you ♪
708
00:30:19,774 --> 00:30:22,168
♪ Many things
before he died ♪
709
00:30:22,211 --> 00:30:23,734
♪ All that was covered
by Lenny Bruce ♪
710
00:30:23,778 --> 00:30:25,258
♪ Back in the day
711
00:30:25,301 --> 00:30:28,522
♪ Lenny Bruce
declares a truce ♪
712
00:30:28,565 --> 00:30:33,527
♪ Lenny Bruce is gone
713
00:30:33,570 --> 00:30:36,922
♪ But his spirit's
living on ♪
714
00:30:36,965 --> 00:30:38,967
♪ And on
715
00:30:39,011 --> 00:30:40,577
Your heroes
can only be as good
716
00:30:40,621 --> 00:30:42,666
as your villains, right?
717
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:44,755
So, Lenny Bruce
718
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:48,455
had the United States
government to go up against.
719
00:30:48,498 --> 00:30:50,805
To keep going with a bit
720
00:30:50,849 --> 00:30:52,676
knowing where
you're about to go.
721
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:53,764
He didn't care.
722
00:30:53,808 --> 00:30:55,505
He did--he still did his bit,
723
00:30:55,549 --> 00:30:59,074
like, that's outrageously
awesome to me.
724
00:30:59,118 --> 00:31:01,381
I'm ashamed of my country
725
00:31:01,424 --> 00:31:02,904
for doing that.
726
00:31:02,948 --> 00:31:04,123
I am--
727
00:31:05,254 --> 00:31:07,648
I am disgusted
728
00:31:07,691 --> 00:31:09,302
that that happened.
729
00:31:09,345 --> 00:31:11,739
My sympathy and my empathy
and my heart is with Lenny
730
00:31:11,782 --> 00:31:14,133
that he had
to go through that,
731
00:31:14,176 --> 00:31:18,006
but motherfucker
is that cool.
732
00:31:18,050 --> 00:31:19,355
Doing your show
733
00:31:19,399 --> 00:31:21,314
with cops on the side
of the stage?
734
00:31:21,357 --> 00:31:24,143
Fucking beat that
anybody ever!
735
00:31:24,186 --> 00:31:25,709
[man]
It is now my pleasure
736
00:31:25,753 --> 00:31:28,277
to introduce to you
Mr. Lenny Bruce.
737
00:31:28,321 --> 00:31:29,583
[applause]
738
00:31:29,626 --> 00:31:31,802
[Ron]
The last routine Lenny did,
739
00:31:31,846 --> 00:31:33,239
it was at UCLA.
740
00:31:33,282 --> 00:31:35,110
I will tell you this,
there was any number
741
00:31:35,154 --> 00:31:37,025
of Lenny Bruce's routines
742
00:31:37,069 --> 00:31:38,679
though totally protected
by the First Amendment
743
00:31:38,722 --> 00:31:41,464
that if he did them
on a number campuses today,
744
00:31:41,508 --> 00:31:42,509
they would shut it down.
745
00:31:42,552 --> 00:31:43,814
I don't think any college
746
00:31:43,858 --> 00:31:45,251
would allow Lenny Bruce
to come
747
00:31:45,294 --> 00:31:46,861
-and perform there.
-They would hate him.
748
00:31:46,905 --> 00:31:48,863
Lenny Bruce would not last
a minute
749
00:31:48,907 --> 00:31:50,430
on the modern
college campus.
750
00:31:50,473 --> 00:31:52,258
[Norton]
Because they had become
what they hated.
751
00:31:52,301 --> 00:31:54,738
You know, they had become
the speech repressors.
752
00:31:54,782 --> 00:31:57,480
They had become
the free thought policers.
753
00:32:14,019 --> 00:32:16,760
[Greg]
And he also ended up being
a great figure
754
00:32:16,804 --> 00:32:18,371
in the fight
against obscenity laws,
755
00:32:18,414 --> 00:32:19,938
against the idea that we--
756
00:32:19,981 --> 00:32:22,244
that the government
should be policing speech.
757
00:32:22,288 --> 00:32:26,074
So, he really ended up being
a very influential figure,
758
00:32:26,118 --> 00:32:27,989
not just for every comedian
that's come after him,
759
00:32:28,033 --> 00:32:29,208
but for a generation
760
00:32:29,251 --> 00:32:31,427
of First Amendment lawyers
too.
761
00:32:31,471 --> 00:32:33,255
[narrator]
Lukianoff says Lenny
wasn't just fighting
762
00:32:33,299 --> 00:32:34,691
for the First Amendment,
763
00:32:34,735 --> 00:32:36,041
he was fighting
for something more.
764
00:32:36,084 --> 00:32:37,912
He was fighting
for free speech.
765
00:32:37,956 --> 00:32:39,131
Free speech
and the First Amendment
766
00:32:39,174 --> 00:32:40,697
are not the same thing.
767
00:32:40,741 --> 00:32:44,179
And actually, the bigger,
more beautiful, bolder,
768
00:32:44,223 --> 00:32:46,790
braver concept
is free speech.
769
00:32:46,834 --> 00:32:48,009
And it requires
a certain amount
770
00:32:48,053 --> 00:32:49,837
of tolerance
and a recognition
771
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,927
that you almost certainly
don't know everything
772
00:32:52,971 --> 00:32:55,843
and that you can still learn
from hearing people out.
773
00:32:55,886 --> 00:32:59,890
The problem is
that as a society,
774
00:32:59,934 --> 00:33:02,371
we haven't really
learned deeply
775
00:33:02,415 --> 00:33:03,590
that the solution
to bad speech
776
00:33:03,633 --> 00:33:04,983
is more speech.
777
00:33:05,026 --> 00:33:06,593
You know, you have to go
to Jonathan Rauch.
778
00:33:10,945 --> 00:33:12,512
[Jonathan]
The First Amendment,
779
00:33:12,555 --> 00:33:14,557
although it's necessary,
it's not sufficient.
780
00:33:14,601 --> 00:33:17,386
It has to rest
on a social foundation
781
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:19,214
of First Amendment values.
782
00:33:19,258 --> 00:33:22,087
That is people who understand,
who get the idea,
783
00:33:22,130 --> 00:33:24,393
the critical exchange
of speech,
784
00:33:24,437 --> 00:33:25,829
often hurtful speech,
785
00:33:25,873 --> 00:33:28,049
wrongheaded speech,
even hateful speech.
786
00:33:28,093 --> 00:33:30,617
Airing those ideas
strengthen society
787
00:33:30,660 --> 00:33:31,922
in the long run.
788
00:33:31,966 --> 00:33:34,882
If people
don't have that idea
789
00:33:34,925 --> 00:33:36,884
in their hearts,
then having it in the law
790
00:33:36,927 --> 00:33:38,190
is not enough.
791
00:33:39,756 --> 00:33:41,715
I'm the author
of a book called
792
00:33:41,758 --> 00:33:44,544
Kindly Inquisitors:
The New Attacks
on Free Thought.
793
00:33:44,587 --> 00:33:47,155
And I'm a senior fellow
at a think tank called
794
00:33:47,199 --> 00:33:48,417
the Brookings Institution.
795
00:33:48,461 --> 00:33:49,853
[man]
Because the Americans
796
00:33:49,897 --> 00:33:51,681
-love democracy and...
-[man] Oh, I see.
797
00:33:51,725 --> 00:33:52,900
That's one reason.
798
00:33:52,943 --> 00:33:54,293
-Also...
-[Jonathan] In any society
799
00:33:54,336 --> 00:33:57,209
that is free enough
to produce open debate,
800
00:33:57,252 --> 00:33:58,732
it's also going
to be free enough
801
00:33:58,775 --> 00:34:01,169
so that some of us
at any given time
802
00:34:01,213 --> 00:34:02,736
are going to feel
really upset.
803
00:34:02,779 --> 00:34:04,955
[bleep] this [bleep]
and their [bleep] yachts.
804
00:34:04,999 --> 00:34:07,480
They aren't in here
and they are not
in our country!
805
00:34:07,523 --> 00:34:09,221
[Jonathan] And no,
that's not a great thing.
806
00:34:09,264 --> 00:34:11,875
-It's a necessary thing.
-Get the [bleep] out of here.
807
00:34:11,919 --> 00:34:14,487
Get the [bleep] out of here.
This is ours.
808
00:34:14,530 --> 00:34:15,836
[Jonathan]
Being hurt by words
809
00:34:15,879 --> 00:34:18,099
is part
of how we build knowledge
810
00:34:18,143 --> 00:34:21,059
and it's our duty to,
I think, accept that
811
00:34:21,102 --> 00:34:22,060
in a free society.
812
00:34:22,103 --> 00:34:23,757
You parasite socialists!
813
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,237
[narrator] Free speech
isn't always pretty,
814
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,934
but it makes life better.
815
00:34:26,977 --> 00:34:28,109
Ideas clash
and the worst ones
816
00:34:28,153 --> 00:34:29,415
get tossed aside.
817
00:34:29,458 --> 00:34:31,025
Many advancements
are the result
818
00:34:31,069 --> 00:34:33,114
of heated debates,
debates that offended
819
00:34:33,158 --> 00:34:34,898
-lots of people.
-[Jonathan] I grew up
820
00:34:34,942 --> 00:34:37,597
as a gay American
in the '60s and '70s
821
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,033
at a time
where just saying
822
00:34:39,077 --> 00:34:40,991
you were gay
or being for gay rights
823
00:34:41,035 --> 00:34:42,558
could cost you your job.
824
00:34:42,602 --> 00:34:44,821
We were actually considered
mentally disordered
825
00:34:44,865 --> 00:34:46,127
and thrown into asylums.
826
00:34:46,171 --> 00:34:47,476
[man]
One never knows
827
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,217
when the homosexual
is about.
828
00:34:49,261 --> 00:34:51,915
He may appear normal
and it may be too late
829
00:34:51,959 --> 00:34:53,874
when you discover
he is mentally ill.
830
00:34:53,917 --> 00:34:55,397
[Jonathan]
We dealt with terrorism
831
00:34:55,441 --> 00:34:57,182
and violence
on the streets.
832
00:34:57,225 --> 00:34:58,705
If you called the police,
833
00:34:58,748 --> 00:35:00,837
they wouldn't help you
because, you know,
834
00:35:00,881 --> 00:35:02,448
you were a queer,
you were a faggot.
835
00:35:02,491 --> 00:35:04,624
We didn't have votes.
We didn't have support.
836
00:35:04,667 --> 00:35:06,669
We were hiding
in the closet.
837
00:35:06,713 --> 00:35:08,193
The one thing we had,
838
00:35:08,236 --> 00:35:09,324
the only thing we had
839
00:35:09,368 --> 00:35:10,717
was our voices.
840
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,110
[narrator]
Activists spoke up.
841
00:35:12,153 --> 00:35:13,763
They persuaded
more and more people
842
00:35:13,807 --> 00:35:15,765
that laws should protect
everyone equally.
843
00:35:15,809 --> 00:35:17,506
The gay rights movement
has come a long way
844
00:35:17,550 --> 00:35:18,899
since the '60s,
845
00:35:18,942 --> 00:35:21,031
but gays
still face hostility.
846
00:35:40,138 --> 00:35:41,878
Do I like that the Westboro
Baptist Church
847
00:35:41,922 --> 00:35:43,880
is allowed to say,
"God hates fags,"
848
00:35:43,924 --> 00:35:45,752
and "God hates the military,"
and blah, blah, blah?
849
00:35:45,795 --> 00:35:47,580
The Episcopal church
is a fag church.
850
00:35:47,623 --> 00:35:49,190
[narrator]
Members of the tiny
851
00:35:49,234 --> 00:35:51,453
Westboro Baptist Church
get lots of publicity
852
00:35:51,497 --> 00:35:53,194
for their
outlandish protests.
853
00:35:53,238 --> 00:35:55,501
This kind of hate speech
is legal and Rauch says
854
00:35:55,544 --> 00:35:57,416
-that's actually good
for gays.
-[man] And there it says,
855
00:35:57,459 --> 00:35:59,548
-"Fags are the--are beasts."
-[man] Okay.
856
00:35:59,592 --> 00:36:01,289
[Jonathan]
There is only one way
857
00:36:01,333 --> 00:36:04,771
to counter bad ideas
and it is with good ideas
858
00:36:04,814 --> 00:36:06,599
and you cannot do that
859
00:36:06,642 --> 00:36:07,904
unless you're able
to confront
860
00:36:07,948 --> 00:36:09,079
the bad ideas.
861
00:36:09,123 --> 00:36:10,255
And it kind of
makes me mad.
862
00:36:10,298 --> 00:36:11,691
We have free speech
and I go,
863
00:36:11,734 --> 00:36:12,996
"But wait a minute,
we have to have it."
864
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,650
[Jonathan]
The society that tries
865
00:36:14,694 --> 00:36:19,002
to bury under the rug
bad ideas is condemning itself
866
00:36:19,046 --> 00:36:21,657
to live in a future
with these bad ideas.
867
00:36:21,701 --> 00:36:22,658
[crowd]
We're here,
868
00:36:22,702 --> 00:36:23,920
we're queer,
869
00:36:23,964 --> 00:36:25,618
-we take it in the rear!
-[Lisa] Hey!
870
00:36:25,661 --> 00:36:27,097
[narrator]
When the church threatened
871
00:36:27,141 --> 00:36:28,447
to protest
one of Lisa's shows,
872
00:36:28,490 --> 00:36:29,970
she said, "Bring it on."
873
00:36:30,013 --> 00:36:32,102
Promising to donate
a thousand bucks
874
00:36:32,146 --> 00:36:33,408
to a pro-gay charity
875
00:36:33,452 --> 00:36:35,932
for each protester
who showed up.
876
00:36:35,976 --> 00:36:37,499
[Lisa]
These assholes
877
00:36:37,543 --> 00:36:38,761
have contributed
878
00:36:38,805 --> 00:36:40,372
to the Gay Men's
Health Crisis.
879
00:36:40,415 --> 00:36:42,504
[narrator] Turns out
50 protesters showed,
880
00:36:42,548 --> 00:36:45,638
so Lisa cut a check
for 50 grand.
881
00:36:45,681 --> 00:36:47,466
[crowd cheering]
882
00:36:47,509 --> 00:36:48,815
[Lisa]
They have
their own special sign
883
00:36:48,858 --> 00:36:50,947
for me by the way,
"God hates Lisa."
884
00:36:50,991 --> 00:36:52,645
And has a picture
of a gorilla in a dress
885
00:36:52,688 --> 00:36:54,516
with a wig
which is fantastic.
886
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,083
I always--
I think you made it
887
00:36:56,126 --> 00:36:58,607
when the WBC makes you
a hate-filled sign.
888
00:36:58,651 --> 00:37:00,566
Hi, fag haters!
889
00:37:00,609 --> 00:37:02,916
Everybody wave bye
the fag haters!
890
00:37:02,959 --> 00:37:04,700
[cheering]
891
00:37:04,744 --> 00:37:06,224
[Jonathan]
I am actually grateful
892
00:37:06,267 --> 00:37:09,357
that the Westboro
Baptist Church exists
893
00:37:09,401 --> 00:37:10,967
to be complete idiots
894
00:37:11,011 --> 00:37:13,579
because every day
they do that,
895
00:37:13,622 --> 00:37:14,971
they use their voices
896
00:37:15,015 --> 00:37:17,496
to demonstrate
how pitiable they are
897
00:37:17,539 --> 00:37:18,975
and why gay people
898
00:37:19,019 --> 00:37:20,150
are making
the better argument.
899
00:37:23,980 --> 00:37:26,592
[Penn]
The most important thing
to a society,
900
00:37:26,635 --> 00:37:28,724
what makes a society,
is the--
901
00:37:28,768 --> 00:37:30,248
is the exchange of ideas.
902
00:37:30,291 --> 00:37:32,337
Free speech is important,
I think, because,
903
00:37:32,380 --> 00:37:34,295
like, that's the thing
that makes us who we are.
904
00:37:34,339 --> 00:37:36,341
I think free speech
is important for society
905
00:37:36,384 --> 00:37:38,081
because that's the only way
change happens.
906
00:37:38,125 --> 00:37:42,303
Free speech
is extremely important
907
00:37:42,347 --> 00:37:44,392
because me being a Jew,
908
00:37:44,436 --> 00:37:48,004
I don't want to have
to pay for speech.
909
00:37:48,048 --> 00:37:50,180
I want free speech.
910
00:37:50,224 --> 00:37:52,792
I want the kind of speech
911
00:37:52,835 --> 00:37:55,185
where not only do you
get free speech,
912
00:37:55,229 --> 00:37:57,753
but they throw in
a limerick
913
00:37:57,797 --> 00:38:00,321
and a witty remark
with it.
914
00:38:00,365 --> 00:38:03,019
I want a whole
bargain package.
915
00:38:03,063 --> 00:38:04,760
[laughs]
916
00:38:12,768 --> 00:38:14,596
[Heather]
You know, the whole point is
917
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,119
if you're easily offended,
please don't come
918
00:38:16,163 --> 00:38:17,425
to a comedy show.
919
00:38:17,469 --> 00:38:19,035
Like, this is not
the thing for you.
920
00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:21,995
When the other moms
invite you, please pass.
921
00:38:22,038 --> 00:38:23,605
[applause]
922
00:38:23,649 --> 00:38:26,129
I also have
a beautiful stepdaughter
923
00:38:26,173 --> 00:38:27,348
and she's beautiful,
924
00:38:27,392 --> 00:38:28,828
she's actually
half Vietnamese,
925
00:38:28,871 --> 00:38:30,699
so yes, I do enjoy
the free foot massages
926
00:38:30,743 --> 00:38:32,005
every other weekend.
927
00:38:32,048 --> 00:38:34,312
-Thank you.
-[audience laughing]
928
00:38:34,355 --> 00:38:35,704
Now I get them
all the time
929
00:38:35,748 --> 00:38:37,315
because she lives with us
full-time and.
930
00:38:37,358 --> 00:38:39,665
Um...
931
00:38:39,708 --> 00:38:42,494
and, you know, even though
she lives with us,
932
00:38:42,537 --> 00:38:43,712
her mom will still call
933
00:38:43,756 --> 00:38:45,279
and leave me
a million messages
934
00:38:45,323 --> 00:38:47,629
about how to feed her
and I'll have--in, like,
935
00:38:47,673 --> 00:38:49,239
two days,
I'll get six messages
936
00:38:49,283 --> 00:38:50,589
that goes something
like this,
937
00:38:50,632 --> 00:38:52,808
"Hi, I'm McKinsey mom,
938
00:38:52,852 --> 00:38:54,114
I'm just calling
to make sure
939
00:38:54,157 --> 00:38:56,072
that you give
McKinsey broccoli.
940
00:38:56,116 --> 00:38:59,946
She like a healthy food.
She like a healthy broccoli.
941
00:38:59,989 --> 00:39:01,339
Don't you just give
a hotdog and popcorn
942
00:39:01,382 --> 00:39:03,689
like you give
to your boy.
943
00:39:03,732 --> 00:39:05,778
And you can afford it.
You can afford it.
944
00:39:05,821 --> 00:39:08,128
You tell Peter
he can afford it."
945
00:39:08,171 --> 00:39:09,825
[audience laughing]
946
00:39:09,869 --> 00:39:11,392
[narrator]
Heather McDonald
did that bit
947
00:39:11,436 --> 00:39:12,872
at a different performance
and learned
948
00:39:12,915 --> 00:39:14,613
she had offended
an audience member.
949
00:39:14,656 --> 00:39:16,136
[Heather]
And this woman came up
to me after
950
00:39:16,179 --> 00:39:17,964
and she goes,
"I think you're so funny.
951
00:39:18,007 --> 00:39:20,880
I just really find the accent
really offensive."
952
00:39:20,923 --> 00:39:22,403
And she was white.
953
00:39:22,447 --> 00:39:24,405
I said, "Well, I'm sorry
you feel that way.
954
00:39:24,449 --> 00:39:27,147
It's based on a real person.
That's exactly how she sounds.
955
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:30,411
I'm imitating a person
to tell a true story better."
956
00:39:30,455 --> 00:39:32,195
[narrator] Sometimes,
nervous show producers
957
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,677
sanitize performances
before audiences see them.
958
00:39:35,721 --> 00:39:37,331
McDonald remembers one time
959
00:39:37,375 --> 00:39:39,115
when she was performing
with an improv group.
960
00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:41,117
[Heather]
I wanted to do this girl
961
00:39:41,161 --> 00:39:42,945
that I had seen
on a talk show
962
00:39:42,989 --> 00:39:44,817
who was clearly white,
963
00:39:44,860 --> 00:39:48,037
but spoke like she was
a Latina gang member
964
00:39:48,081 --> 00:39:50,388
and I just thought
it was a funny character,
965
00:39:50,431 --> 00:39:51,650
like a Jerry Springer type
character.
966
00:39:51,693 --> 00:39:52,825
[narrator]
But that character made
967
00:39:52,868 --> 00:39:54,043
the producer uncomfortable.
968
00:39:54,087 --> 00:39:55,567
[Heather]
And she said, "Well,
969
00:39:55,610 --> 00:39:59,005
if you're going to do
an accent or ethnicity,
970
00:39:59,048 --> 00:40:02,225
make it be somebody
that's not finan--
971
00:40:02,269 --> 00:40:04,445
economically
beneath a white person."
972
00:40:04,489 --> 00:40:06,534
So, make fun
of the French.
973
00:40:06,578 --> 00:40:08,449
I'm like, "I don't find
the French funny."
974
00:40:08,493 --> 00:40:10,233
[narrator]
And as Noam Dworman's
co-host,
975
00:40:10,277 --> 00:40:11,974
Dan Naturman knows
976
00:40:12,018 --> 00:40:13,759
changing your act
is no guarantee
977
00:40:13,802 --> 00:40:15,238
that you'll avoid
offending someone.
978
00:40:15,282 --> 00:40:16,675
Dan was on
America's Got Talent
979
00:40:16,718 --> 00:40:19,199
and he told a joke
980
00:40:19,242 --> 00:40:21,375
that had the word German
in it.
981
00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:23,812
It was not a joke
at anybody German's expense.
982
00:40:23,856 --> 00:40:25,510
He had to pick a country.
983
00:40:25,553 --> 00:40:27,207
Actually, at the club,
he doesn't even use German,
984
00:40:27,250 --> 00:40:29,209
he uses Mexican,
but they told him
985
00:40:29,252 --> 00:40:32,386
don't say Mexican on TV,
so they made him use German
986
00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:33,779
because it was considered
more innocuous.
987
00:40:33,822 --> 00:40:35,041
[Dan]
In America, we don't speak
988
00:40:35,084 --> 00:40:37,173
different languages
in America.
989
00:40:37,217 --> 00:40:39,480
We speak English.
Other countries, they speak
different languages.
990
00:40:39,524 --> 00:40:41,047
I got a friend
in Oregon, he's from--
991
00:40:41,090 --> 00:40:42,744
he's a countryman
of Heidi's actually.
992
00:40:42,788 --> 00:40:44,354
He lives in Berlin.
He's speak-- do you know him?
993
00:40:44,398 --> 00:40:47,096
He speaks four languages.
994
00:40:47,140 --> 00:40:49,142
He said to me,
"Dan, how come you Americans
995
00:40:49,185 --> 00:40:51,710
don't learn
other languages?"
996
00:40:51,753 --> 00:40:52,711
I'm like, "I don't know.
997
00:40:52,754 --> 00:40:54,234
Probably the same reason
998
00:40:54,277 --> 00:40:55,757
people that can see
don't learn Braille.
999
00:40:55,801 --> 00:40:58,673
-That's probably why."
-[audience laughing]
1000
00:40:58,717 --> 00:41:00,588
[Noam]
Heidi Klum is a judge
1001
00:41:00,632 --> 00:41:03,678
-and she gets offended
at his joke.
-[Greg] Nice.
1002
00:41:03,722 --> 00:41:05,027
And I got news for you,
1003
00:41:05,071 --> 00:41:06,376
Braille would be
more practical, right?
1004
00:41:06,420 --> 00:41:07,726
Because you might
go blind one day,
1005
00:41:07,769 --> 00:41:09,989
that could happen.
1006
00:41:10,032 --> 00:41:11,643
But you ain't gonna go German,
chances are.
1007
00:41:11,686 --> 00:41:14,167
[audience laughing]
1008
00:41:14,210 --> 00:41:17,562
Thank you, America,
vote Naturman!
1009
00:41:17,605 --> 00:41:18,737
How'd he do?
Did you laugh?
1010
00:41:18,780 --> 00:41:20,434
Well, not really.
1011
00:41:20,478 --> 00:41:23,176
It is impressive, though,
that you managed to offend
1012
00:41:23,219 --> 00:41:25,265
almost every type
of person on the planet
1013
00:41:25,308 --> 00:41:26,396
including the Germans.
1014
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,876
[Noam]
And she attacks him
1015
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,922
and may very well
have led to ending his run
1016
00:41:29,965 --> 00:41:31,663
at the championship
of America's Got Talent.
1017
00:41:31,706 --> 00:41:33,360
[Dan]
Oh, but I think it was
going to go down anyway,
1018
00:41:33,403 --> 00:41:36,145
-but maybe.
-So this exact phenomenon
1019
00:41:36,189 --> 00:41:38,757
that we're talking about,
he had a bitter
1020
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,628
firsthand experience
with it.
1021
00:41:44,589 --> 00:41:46,504
[Gilbert]
Nowadays, there's people
1022
00:41:46,547 --> 00:41:49,158
who might want
to play it safe.
1023
00:41:49,202 --> 00:41:52,640
Me being an idiot,
I don't.
1024
00:41:52,684 --> 00:41:55,382
[narrator]
Comedy can help us
get through tough times,
1025
00:41:55,425 --> 00:41:57,253
but doing comedy
after a tragedy
1026
00:41:57,297 --> 00:41:58,864
is one
of the biggest taboos.
1027
00:41:58,907 --> 00:42:00,518
Then again,
Gilbert Gottfried
1028
00:42:00,561 --> 00:42:03,346
loves sinking
his cold fangs into taboos.
1029
00:42:03,390 --> 00:42:04,565
It's kind of his thing.
1030
00:42:04,609 --> 00:42:08,090
I used to do a voice
1031
00:42:08,134 --> 00:42:11,354
for a certain
insurance company
1032
00:42:11,398 --> 00:42:13,226
-[duck] Aflac!
-[Gilbert] The tsunami
1033
00:42:13,269 --> 00:42:14,357
was hitting then.
1034
00:42:14,401 --> 00:42:16,359
So, I had handled that
the way
1035
00:42:16,403 --> 00:42:19,232
I handle
every big news item.
1036
00:42:19,275 --> 00:42:22,235
I was doing jokes about it
on the Internet.
1037
00:42:22,278 --> 00:42:24,716
Mostly, if you're going
to get offended,
1038
00:42:24,759 --> 00:42:27,022
you could get offended
by how dumb
1039
00:42:27,066 --> 00:42:28,633
most of them were.
1040
00:42:28,676 --> 00:42:32,637
Like, I asked my Japanese
real estate agent,
1041
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,074
"Is there a school
in the neighborhood?"
1042
00:42:35,117 --> 00:42:37,816
And she said,
"No, but there will be one
in five minutes."
1043
00:42:37,859 --> 00:42:40,514
-[man] A horrible thing to say
in the midst of this tragedy.
-[woman] Disgusting.
1044
00:42:40,558 --> 00:42:41,776
I couldn't believe
he said that.
1045
00:42:41,820 --> 00:42:43,561
A well-known comedian
is no longer
1046
00:42:43,604 --> 00:42:45,345
the voice
of Aflac's duck today
1047
00:42:45,388 --> 00:42:48,130
because of a not-so-funny joke
about Japan's tragedy.
1048
00:42:48,174 --> 00:42:50,568
They basically
dropped me like
1049
00:42:50,611 --> 00:42:52,265
shit out of a duck's ass.
1050
00:42:52,308 --> 00:42:53,875
[woman]
Aflac says,
"There's no place
1051
00:42:53,919 --> 00:42:56,748
for anything but compassion
and concern."
1052
00:42:56,791 --> 00:42:59,228
[narrator]
But how surprised
could Aflac have been?
1053
00:42:59,272 --> 00:43:02,580
After all, the famously
raunchy Comedy Central roasts
1054
00:43:02,623 --> 00:43:04,451
often showcase
Gilbert Gottfried
1055
00:43:04,494 --> 00:43:05,931
and his jackhammer tongue.
1056
00:43:05,974 --> 00:43:11,023
Donald always says money
can't buy happiness,
1057
00:43:11,066 --> 00:43:14,113
but it can buy the best
1058
00:43:14,156 --> 00:43:19,684
Eastern European whores
New York City has to offer.
1059
00:43:19,727 --> 00:43:20,902
[crowd cheering]
1060
00:43:20,946 --> 00:43:22,643
[narrator]
And the tsunami
1061
00:43:22,687 --> 00:43:25,124
wasn't the first time
Gottfried made jokes
1062
00:43:25,167 --> 00:43:26,516
in the wake of a tragedy.
1063
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,083
He did something similar
1064
00:43:28,127 --> 00:43:30,216
right after
the September 11th attacks.
1065
00:43:30,259 --> 00:43:34,524
[Gilbert]
I was at the Hugh Hefner's
fryer's roast.
1066
00:43:34,568 --> 00:43:37,876
And I said,
"Well I have to leave
early tonight.
1067
00:43:37,919 --> 00:43:39,704
I couldn't
get a direct flight,
1068
00:43:39,747 --> 00:43:43,098
we have to make a stop
at the Empire State Building."
1069
00:43:43,142 --> 00:43:47,929
And the crowd
was booing and hissing.
1070
00:43:47,973 --> 00:43:50,410
One guy yelled,
"Too soon."
1071
00:43:50,453 --> 00:43:52,717
Which I thought meant
I didn't take
1072
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,676
a long enough pause between
the set up and the punch line.
1073
00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:57,069
[narrator]
But his 9/11 joke
didn't leave
1074
00:43:57,112 --> 00:43:58,940
the world
throbbing with outrage
1075
00:43:58,984 --> 00:44:00,681
like his tsunami jokes
did.
1076
00:44:00,725 --> 00:44:02,117
Maybe it's because
in 2001,
1077
00:44:02,161 --> 00:44:03,989
there was no Facebook,
no Twitter,
1078
00:44:04,032 --> 00:44:05,686
no YouTube, no iPhone.
1079
00:44:05,730 --> 00:44:07,819
But today's
supercharged Internet
1080
00:44:07,862 --> 00:44:09,908
blasts outrage
all over the world
1081
00:44:09,951 --> 00:44:12,214
as fast as you can type
140 characters.
1082
00:44:12,258 --> 00:44:15,043
[Gilbert]
The Internet
makes me feel sentimental
1083
00:44:15,087 --> 00:44:17,437
about old-time lynch mobs.
1084
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,267
Back then, you actually
had to put your jacket on,
1085
00:44:21,310 --> 00:44:23,835
go outside,
get your hands dirty,
1086
00:44:23,878 --> 00:44:25,053
and deal
with other people.
1087
00:44:25,097 --> 00:44:26,925
You know,
not everything is funny.
1088
00:44:26,968 --> 00:44:28,840
-Right.
-And there's not a time
to joke about everything,
1089
00:44:28,883 --> 00:44:30,798
but apparently,
Gilbert Gottfried
1090
00:44:30,842 --> 00:44:32,582
-is learning that
the hard way.
-Didn't get the memo.
1091
00:44:32,626 --> 00:44:35,716
[Gilbert]
And then when I go outside
my house,
1092
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,067
news cameras would appear
out of nowhere,
1093
00:44:39,111 --> 00:44:41,940
like they were
cornering someone
1094
00:44:41,983 --> 00:44:44,638
who was sending
poisoned baby food.
1095
00:44:44,682 --> 00:44:46,422
[narrator]
How did Gottfried
eventually escape
1096
00:44:46,466 --> 00:44:47,946
the outrage mob?
1097
00:44:47,989 --> 00:44:50,949
A far more important story
took his place.
1098
00:44:50,992 --> 00:44:53,342
[Gilbert]
Chris Brown was backstage
1099
00:44:53,386 --> 00:44:55,518
and he got mad
and threw a chair.
1100
00:44:55,562 --> 00:44:58,696
[man]
There he is shirtless
storming out of the studio.
1101
00:44:58,739 --> 00:45:00,393
[woman]
Brown reportedly used a chair
1102
00:45:00,436 --> 00:45:02,177
to smash a window
in his dressing room.
1103
00:45:02,221 --> 00:45:06,225
And that became
the big news item.
1104
00:45:06,268 --> 00:45:07,922
See, I think nowadays,
1105
00:45:07,966 --> 00:45:10,055
there's the villain
of the week.
1106
00:45:10,098 --> 00:45:12,666
And, like,
at any given time,
1107
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:14,842
there's the one guy
we all hate
1108
00:45:14,886 --> 00:45:16,322
and then quickly,
1109
00:45:16,365 --> 00:45:18,498
it turns around
to something else.
1110
00:45:24,634 --> 00:45:27,333
[Jon]
People are getting destroyed,
like, every day.
1111
00:45:27,376 --> 00:45:31,250
Sometimes, a number of times
a day all over the world.
1112
00:45:31,293 --> 00:45:32,512
[narrator]
In his book,
1113
00:45:32,555 --> 00:45:34,209
So You've Been
Publicly Shamed,
1114
00:45:34,253 --> 00:45:38,257
author Jon Ronson tells
the tale of Justine Sacco,
1115
00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:39,998
a young woman
living in New York.
1116
00:45:40,041 --> 00:45:42,522
And with only
170 Twitter followers,
1117
00:45:42,565 --> 00:45:44,176
she's pretty much
unknown.
1118
00:45:44,219 --> 00:45:48,093
[Jon]
So, she's on vacation
Christmas 2013,
1119
00:45:48,136 --> 00:45:50,095
heading from New York
1120
00:45:50,138 --> 00:45:52,401
to Heathrow to Cape Town.
1121
00:45:52,445 --> 00:45:54,664
And when she gets
to Heathrow, she tweets
1122
00:45:54,708 --> 00:45:57,189
what she sees as
a kind of funny acerbic joke
1123
00:45:57,232 --> 00:46:00,366
to her 170 Twitter followers
that said...
1124
00:46:06,241 --> 00:46:08,113
She tweeted that joke
1125
00:46:08,156 --> 00:46:09,897
from Heathrow Airport,
1126
00:46:09,941 --> 00:46:11,333
wandered around
the terminal,
1127
00:46:11,377 --> 00:46:13,771
sporadically checking
Twitter,
1128
00:46:13,814 --> 00:46:17,252
got no replies,
and found that sad too.
1129
00:46:17,296 --> 00:46:18,558
That sad feeling
we all feel
1130
00:46:18,601 --> 00:46:20,690
when the Internet
doesn't tell us,
1131
00:46:20,734 --> 00:46:22,954
"Well done.
That was funny."
1132
00:46:22,997 --> 00:46:24,129
And then she got
on the plane,
1133
00:46:24,172 --> 00:46:25,783
turned off her phone,
1134
00:46:25,826 --> 00:46:28,829
flew for 11 hours,
1135
00:46:28,873 --> 00:46:30,875
slept, woke up,
turned on her phone,
1136
00:46:30,918 --> 00:46:32,615
and there was a text
1137
00:46:32,659 --> 00:46:34,879
from somebody she hadn't
spoken to since high school
1138
00:46:34,922 --> 00:46:37,533
that said, "I am so sorry
1139
00:46:37,577 --> 00:46:39,057
to see
what's happening to you."
1140
00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:41,233
The woman at the center
of a digital uproar.
1141
00:46:41,276 --> 00:46:43,061
[man]
At the center
of a digital firestorm.
1142
00:46:43,104 --> 00:46:45,150
The woman who sparked
a Twitter backlash
1143
00:46:45,193 --> 00:46:46,455
over an offensive tweet
1144
00:46:46,499 --> 00:46:48,414
that joked about AIDS
in South Africa.
1145
00:46:48,457 --> 00:46:49,632
BuzzFeed tweeted it
1146
00:46:49,676 --> 00:46:51,112
as the worst tweet
of all time.
1147
00:46:51,156 --> 00:46:52,766
[man]
An incredibly offensive tweet
1148
00:46:52,810 --> 00:46:54,115
about AIDS and race.
1149
00:46:54,159 --> 00:46:56,857
[Jon]
And the shaming came in waves.
1150
00:46:56,901 --> 00:46:58,859
First, there were
the philanthropists
1151
00:46:58,903 --> 00:47:01,949
saying, "I am donating
to aid to Africa."
1152
00:47:01,993 --> 00:47:03,255
But then it got darker,
then it was like,
1153
00:47:03,298 --> 00:47:05,735
"Everybody go report
this cunt."
1154
00:47:05,779 --> 00:47:07,128
There were people
all over the world,
1155
00:47:07,172 --> 00:47:09,043
thousands,
hundreds of thousands
1156
00:47:09,087 --> 00:47:12,264
of people who decided
we must get this woman fired.
1157
00:47:12,307 --> 00:47:14,135
Most people didn't realize
at this point
1158
00:47:14,179 --> 00:47:15,267
that she was on a plane
1159
00:47:15,310 --> 00:47:17,486
and oblivious
to all of this.
1160
00:47:17,530 --> 00:47:19,314
But then her employers
got involved.
1161
00:47:19,358 --> 00:47:21,012
[man]
Quickly issued a statement
1162
00:47:21,055 --> 00:47:23,275
calling the comment
outrageous and offensive.
1163
00:47:23,318 --> 00:47:26,495
And said, "This is
an outrageous comment.
1164
00:47:26,539 --> 00:47:28,715
Employee
currently unreachable
1165
00:47:28,758 --> 00:47:30,369
on an international flight."
1166
00:47:30,412 --> 00:47:32,501
And that's when the anger
turned to excitement,
1167
00:47:32,545 --> 00:47:35,243
that we knew something
that Justine didn't.
1168
00:47:35,287 --> 00:47:38,551
We knew that she was oblivious
to her destruction.
1169
00:47:38,594 --> 00:47:40,858
[man]
Sacco posted
the tweet Friday,
1170
00:47:40,901 --> 00:47:43,034
just before
a nearly 12-hour flight
1171
00:47:43,077 --> 00:47:45,340
from London to Cape Town,
South Africa.
1172
00:47:45,384 --> 00:47:48,300
While she was apparently
offline in midair,
1173
00:47:48,343 --> 00:47:49,997
millions were online,
1174
00:47:50,041 --> 00:47:51,956
anxiously waiting
for her to land
1175
00:47:51,999 --> 00:47:54,523
and see the uproar
her tweet caused.
1176
00:47:54,567 --> 00:47:57,178
The...
1177
00:47:57,222 --> 00:47:58,310
became an instant trend.
1178
00:47:58,353 --> 00:47:59,746
First,
you have children dying,
1179
00:47:59,789 --> 00:48:01,182
you have children
being born with AIDS.
1180
00:48:01,226 --> 00:48:03,445
It's really nothing
to joke about.
1181
00:48:03,489 --> 00:48:05,056
[Jon]
I was on Twitter that night
1182
00:48:05,099 --> 00:48:06,579
and I thought
what everyone else thought,
1183
00:48:06,622 --> 00:48:08,624
"Wow! Somebody's fucked!"
1184
00:48:08,668 --> 00:48:10,191
And I kind of,
you know, sat up in bed
1185
00:48:10,235 --> 00:48:12,237
and propped the pillow up
behind my,
1186
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,457
you know, and then I thought,
"Well maybe the--
1187
00:48:15,501 --> 00:48:18,156
maybe it wasn't intended
to be racist."
1188
00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:19,809
[narrator]
Too late!
1189
00:48:19,853 --> 00:48:21,246
The outrage mob
had already made up its mind.
1190
00:48:21,289 --> 00:48:23,248
I think she's basically
got a race problem
1191
00:48:23,291 --> 00:48:24,902
and she deserved
to be fired.
1192
00:48:24,945 --> 00:48:28,427
[narrator]
Sacco was fired in midair.
1193
00:48:31,909 --> 00:48:34,172
[narrator] Meanwhile,
the social media response
1194
00:48:34,215 --> 00:48:35,347
was getting violent.
1195
00:48:35,390 --> 00:48:37,175
[Jon]
"Somebody HIV positive
1196
00:48:37,218 --> 00:48:39,264
should rape this bitch
so then we'll find out
1197
00:48:39,307 --> 00:48:41,266
if her skin color
protects her from AIDS."
1198
00:48:41,309 --> 00:48:43,964
The anger, the vitriol
directed at her
1199
00:48:44,008 --> 00:48:46,271
such that even
the company that fired her
1200
00:48:46,314 --> 00:48:49,622
had to ask people to go easy
on her, what about that part?
1201
00:48:49,665 --> 00:48:52,103
[narrator]
Eventually the backlash
became so deranged
1202
00:48:52,146 --> 00:48:55,193
that the media grew horrified
what they had helped create.
1203
00:48:55,236 --> 00:48:57,151
Even some death threats
seen on Tweeter toward her
1204
00:48:57,195 --> 00:48:58,370
and she hadn't had a chance
1205
00:48:58,413 --> 00:48:59,806
to tell her side
of the story yet.
1206
00:48:59,849 --> 00:49:01,634
Somebody went
and live tweeted
1207
00:49:01,677 --> 00:49:03,592
her arrival
and "photographed" her.
1208
00:49:03,636 --> 00:49:05,943
[narrator]
When Sacco landed
she was unemployed
1209
00:49:05,986 --> 00:49:09,250
and Twitter's number one
worldwide trending topic.
1210
00:49:09,294 --> 00:49:11,774
The satisfied outrage mob
1211
00:49:11,818 --> 00:49:14,255
looked for a new target
to destroy,
1212
00:49:14,299 --> 00:49:15,822
but Ronson was determined
1213
00:49:15,865 --> 00:49:18,999
to find out what became
of Justine Sacco.
1214
00:49:19,043 --> 00:49:21,219
[Jon]
So, I met her in a bar
in downtown New York
1215
00:49:21,262 --> 00:49:23,047
and, you know,
she was just broken
1216
00:49:23,090 --> 00:49:24,526
and she just kept crying
1217
00:49:24,570 --> 00:49:26,137
and it was like
the Night of the Living Dead,
1218
00:49:26,180 --> 00:49:27,921
because she was this
kind of spectral figure.
1219
00:49:27,965 --> 00:49:29,705
I asked her
to explain the joke
1220
00:49:29,749 --> 00:49:32,056
and she said
"Living in America
puts us in a bubble
1221
00:49:32,099 --> 00:49:34,232
when it comes to what is
going on in the Third World,
1222
00:49:34,275 --> 00:49:36,147
I was making fun
of that bubble."
1223
00:49:36,190 --> 00:49:38,018
[narrator]
Sacco's family
is from South Africa
1224
00:49:38,062 --> 00:49:39,802
and she was born there.
1225
00:49:39,846 --> 00:49:42,153
Her father took the family
to the United States,
1226
00:49:42,196 --> 00:49:44,329
because he didn't want
his children to be raised
1227
00:49:44,372 --> 00:49:45,504
in such a racist culture.
1228
00:49:45,547 --> 00:49:47,375
Justine thought
that she was
1229
00:49:47,419 --> 00:49:51,771
being a social justice person
like the rest of us.
1230
00:49:51,814 --> 00:49:53,991
She thought
she was making fun
1231
00:49:54,034 --> 00:49:56,254
of the bubble
of privilege.
1232
00:49:56,297 --> 00:49:59,083
You know, there's a--
there's a comedic tradition
1233
00:49:59,126 --> 00:50:01,781
of mocking privilege
by doing an extreme
1234
00:50:01,824 --> 00:50:03,261
exaggerated version of it.
1235
00:50:03,304 --> 00:50:08,483
Niggers, Jews,
homosexuals, Mexicans, Arabs,
1236
00:50:08,527 --> 00:50:10,442
and all kinds of
different Chinks stink!
1237
00:50:10,485 --> 00:50:11,791
[narrator]
Dave Chappelle does a sketch
1238
00:50:11,834 --> 00:50:13,314
about a blind black man
1239
00:50:13,358 --> 00:50:15,055
who happens to be
a white supremacist.
1240
00:50:15,099 --> 00:50:18,232
Chappelle uses racist language
to make fun of racists.
1241
00:50:18,276 --> 00:50:20,669
[Dave]
Let's talk about
Chinese people.
1242
00:50:20,713 --> 00:50:22,410
What they're Kung Fu
1243
00:50:22,454 --> 00:50:26,023
and all that silly
ching ching, chong, chong.
1244
00:50:26,066 --> 00:50:27,067
Oh, you come here,
1245
00:50:27,111 --> 00:50:28,677
you kiss my tea
make her sweet.
1246
00:50:28,721 --> 00:50:30,636
I no need no sugar
when you around.
1247
00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:33,378
[narrator]
Stephen Colbert
was doing the same thing
1248
00:50:33,421 --> 00:50:35,597
and the outraged mob
called him a racist
1249
00:50:35,641 --> 00:50:37,773
and demanded
his show be canceled.
1250
00:50:37,817 --> 00:50:40,211
Naturally, there was
an official hashtag.
1251
00:50:40,254 --> 00:50:42,778
The hashtag, "CANCELCOLBERT"
is trending.
1252
00:50:42,822 --> 00:50:44,650
-[woman] Cancel Colbert.
-[man] Cancel Colbert.
1253
00:50:44,693 --> 00:50:46,565
-[woman] Cancel Colbert.
-[narrator] Colbert weathered
1254
00:50:46,608 --> 00:50:49,916
the storm, but humor can be
more dangerous for amateurs.
1255
00:50:49,959 --> 00:50:52,223
[Jon]
She lost her job,
she couldn't get another job.
1256
00:50:52,266 --> 00:50:54,529
Newspapers were following her
to the gym,
1257
00:50:54,573 --> 00:50:56,923
she couldn't sleep,
she couldn't date
1258
00:50:56,966 --> 00:50:58,664
because you Google
everybody you date
1259
00:50:58,707 --> 00:51:01,101
and she was just the racist
AIDS tweet woman.
1260
00:51:01,145 --> 00:51:03,060
[narrator]
We're all just one
clumsy joke away
1261
00:51:03,103 --> 00:51:05,366
from sharing
Justine Sacco's fate.
1262
00:51:05,410 --> 00:51:07,455
[Jon]
We're all a mix
of clever and stupid,
1263
00:51:07,499 --> 00:51:10,458
you know, we're not
these one dimensional things.
1264
00:51:10,502 --> 00:51:12,330
We fuck up.
1265
00:51:12,373 --> 00:51:13,722
And we don't fuck up.
1266
00:51:13,766 --> 00:51:15,637
We're wise
and we're idiots.
1267
00:51:15,681 --> 00:51:18,379
So, many watching
her demise online
1268
00:51:18,423 --> 00:51:20,990
while she was offline
on a plane.
1269
00:51:21,034 --> 00:51:22,427
[Jon]
Don't leap in on somebody
1270
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:26,039
and destroy somebody
for this drama.
1271
00:51:26,083 --> 00:51:28,433
For this
fake social justice.
1272
00:51:28,476 --> 00:51:32,306
Let's not frighten people
into being voiceless.
1273
00:51:48,888 --> 00:51:50,759
[narrator]
The Adam Carolla show
1274
00:51:50,803 --> 00:51:53,849
is one of the world's
most popular comedy podcasts,
1275
00:51:53,893 --> 00:51:56,635
and its host is known
for his no-holds-barred
1276
00:51:56,678 --> 00:51:58,637
political
and cultural rants.
1277
00:52:07,515 --> 00:52:09,038
[narrator]
At this live taping,
1278
00:52:09,082 --> 00:52:11,519
Carolla was fuming
about a recent exchange
1279
00:52:11,563 --> 00:52:13,391
with California
Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom,
1280
00:52:13,434 --> 00:52:14,827
who brought up
economic challenges
1281
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:17,003
facing black
and Latino families.
1282
00:52:17,046 --> 00:52:19,048
[Gavin]
Half of African Americans
in the state of California
1283
00:52:19,092 --> 00:52:20,441
and roughly half
of Latino families
1284
00:52:20,485 --> 00:52:22,008
have no access
to a checking account
1285
00:52:22,051 --> 00:52:24,402
or an ATM,
things we take for granted.
1286
00:52:24,445 --> 00:52:26,795
-They don't have
a checking account.
-What's wrong with them?
1287
00:52:26,839 --> 00:52:29,668
-Do Asians have this problem?
-I mean, a lot of communities
have this problem.
1288
00:52:29,711 --> 00:52:31,670
A lot of whites
have these problems,
but I just...
1289
00:52:31,713 --> 00:52:33,454
-Oh, so it's not just
black and Hispanic.
-No, but it--
1290
00:52:33,498 --> 00:52:35,021
-but I'm giving you--
-Then why did you bring up
1291
00:52:35,064 --> 00:52:36,501
-black and Hispanic?
-Because the magnitude
1292
00:52:36,544 --> 00:52:37,893
-is ominous.
-[narrator] Agree with him
1293
00:52:37,937 --> 00:52:39,721
or not,
but Carolla prides himself
1294
00:52:39,765 --> 00:52:41,027
on speaking
the unspeakable
1295
00:52:41,070 --> 00:52:42,594
and he often
raises issues
1296
00:52:42,637 --> 00:52:44,204
that politicians
are too afraid to touch.
1297
00:52:44,248 --> 00:52:46,250
Here he asks Newsom
why Asians
1298
00:52:46,293 --> 00:52:48,252
-perform so well in school.
-[Gavin] I'm not a sociologist,
1299
00:52:48,295 --> 00:52:49,818
-perhaps you could
explain why.
-[Adam] Okay.
1300
00:52:49,862 --> 00:52:51,994
-Well, I told you why.
-Why?
1301
00:52:52,038 --> 00:52:54,040
[Adam]
They have a family that puts
an emphasis on education.
1302
00:52:54,083 --> 00:52:55,563
[Gavin]
Which is a noble thing.
1303
00:52:55,607 --> 00:52:57,174
And a lot of Latinos
have families have put
1304
00:52:57,217 --> 00:52:59,524
-emphasis on education.
-A lot, but not enough.
1305
00:52:59,567 --> 00:53:01,874
-African Americans
have emphasis on education.
-A lot, but not enough.
1306
00:53:01,917 --> 00:53:03,092
[Adam]
Their families are broken up.
1307
00:53:03,136 --> 00:53:04,529
Okay, Gavin. I get it.
1308
00:53:04,572 --> 00:53:06,226
When a white
straight guy seems to...
1309
00:53:06,270 --> 00:53:07,575
White? What's white
have to do with it?
1310
00:53:07,619 --> 00:53:09,055
What's white have
to do with it?
1311
00:53:09,098 --> 00:53:11,013
Well, you've been accused
of being racist.
1312
00:53:11,057 --> 00:53:13,712
[Adam]
You have the racist finger
out all the time.
1313
00:53:13,755 --> 00:53:17,977
But the finger you use
for personal responsibility,
1314
00:53:18,020 --> 00:53:19,587
that stays up your ass!
1315
00:53:19,631 --> 00:53:21,023
And they misquote you
1316
00:53:21,067 --> 00:53:23,548
or they quote you
out of context.
1317
00:53:23,591 --> 00:53:25,724
There's a weird,
sort of mob,
1318
00:53:25,767 --> 00:53:27,204
witch hunt mentality.
1319
00:53:27,247 --> 00:53:28,683
[narrator]
Carolla says some reporters
1320
00:53:28,727 --> 00:53:30,990
recently confronted him
with audio proof
1321
00:53:31,033 --> 00:53:32,557
of his supposed racism.
1322
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,037
♪ I got a little penis,
I don't care ♪
1323
00:53:35,081 --> 00:53:36,822
♪ It can work
if it has no hair ♪
1324
00:53:36,865 --> 00:53:37,997
[woman laughs]
1325
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:39,216
♪ You see it right there
1326
00:53:39,259 --> 00:53:41,435
♪ It's in your face...
1327
00:53:41,479 --> 00:53:45,047
They think it's me
doing a Jackie Chan voice.
1328
00:53:45,091 --> 00:53:46,658
They're doing
the gotcha moment,
1329
00:53:46,701 --> 00:53:48,268
except for
they're not smart enough
1330
00:53:48,312 --> 00:53:51,967
to do their research
and realize that's Jo Koy
1331
00:53:52,011 --> 00:53:53,578
who's an Asian American
comedian,
1332
00:53:53,621 --> 00:53:54,927
he's doing all the talking
and making fun
1333
00:53:54,970 --> 00:53:56,755
of the Asian American
stereotype.
1334
00:53:56,798 --> 00:53:59,279
[Jo]
You can just be quiet
for a second,
1335
00:53:59,323 --> 00:54:01,281
-you're interrupting.
-[Adam] I can't, sir,
I'm telling you.
1336
00:54:01,325 --> 00:54:02,674
[Jo]
You know why?
You're pissing me off.
1337
00:54:02,717 --> 00:54:04,153
-You know why?
- I told them,
1338
00:54:04,197 --> 00:54:05,416
the guy who was doing
the voice was Asian
1339
00:54:05,459 --> 00:54:06,634
and they were like...
1340
00:54:06,678 --> 00:54:07,896
"Well, that helps."
1341
00:54:12,771 --> 00:54:16,253
[Karith]
You can say
whatever you want to say,
1342
00:54:16,296 --> 00:54:19,125
but the rule in comedy is that
it just has to be funny.
1343
00:54:19,168 --> 00:54:20,953
[narrator]
But these days
there's a pretty big list
1344
00:54:20,996 --> 00:54:22,824
of topics
that are off limits,
1345
00:54:22,868 --> 00:54:24,739
topics that comedians
are avoiding.
1346
00:54:24,783 --> 00:54:26,785
Topics comedians
are avoiding, it seems like
1347
00:54:26,828 --> 00:54:28,308
you don't know
what to avoid.
1348
00:54:28,352 --> 00:54:31,442
Racial ones are a big one
for people to avoid,
1349
00:54:31,485 --> 00:54:33,357
sexual orientation jokes,
1350
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:34,836
people have always
avoided religion jokes,
1351
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,273
Islam especially.
1352
00:54:36,316 --> 00:54:37,752
Christianity
is kind of safe now.
1353
00:54:37,796 --> 00:54:40,102
A big taboo
in the comic world
1354
00:54:40,146 --> 00:54:41,626
would be like, gun topics
1355
00:54:41,669 --> 00:54:43,758
because so, you know,
so many school shootings
1356
00:54:43,802 --> 00:54:45,325
and this and that,
but school shootings
1357
00:54:45,369 --> 00:54:46,805
have been happening forever,
1358
00:54:46,848 --> 00:54:48,372
it's just
they've been happening
1359
00:54:48,415 --> 00:54:50,287
in bad neighborhoods
first and no one cared
1360
00:54:50,330 --> 00:54:51,984
and now that it happens
in good neighborhoods,
1361
00:54:52,027 --> 00:54:53,638
everyone is like, "Oh,
you can't joke about that."
1362
00:54:53,681 --> 00:54:54,813
[narrator]
And it's not just jokes.
1363
00:54:54,856 --> 00:54:56,554
The outrage mob
1364
00:54:56,597 --> 00:54:58,120
is also scaring people away
from serious debate
1365
00:54:58,164 --> 00:54:59,731
about taboo topics.
1366
00:54:59,774 --> 00:55:03,430
We cannot discuss legislation
on rape in this country.
1367
00:55:03,474 --> 00:55:06,390
We cannot discuss
1368
00:55:06,433 --> 00:55:09,044
sex crimes
on college campuses.
1369
00:55:09,088 --> 00:55:10,872
You can't discuss that.
1370
00:55:10,916 --> 00:55:13,614
[protestors shouting]
1371
00:55:13,658 --> 00:55:16,051
[narrator]
Here protesters shout down
a panel discussion
1372
00:55:16,095 --> 00:55:18,271
-that addresses sex crimes.
-[woman] Get the fuck
out of here.
1373
00:55:18,315 --> 00:55:20,229
[narrator] Be careful
discussing suicide.
1374
00:55:20,273 --> 00:55:22,362
After showbiz legend
Robin Williams
1375
00:55:22,406 --> 00:55:23,755
committed suicide,
1376
00:55:23,798 --> 00:55:25,800
punk rocker
Henry Rollins wrote
1377
00:55:25,844 --> 00:55:27,715
that parents
shouldn't kill themselves
1378
00:55:27,759 --> 00:55:30,109
because it traumatizes
their children.
1379
00:55:30,152 --> 00:55:32,024
Henry Rollins
said that Robin
1380
00:55:32,067 --> 00:55:33,634
was selfish for doing it
and blah, blah, blah,
1381
00:55:33,678 --> 00:55:35,157
and people went after him
and he had to apologize.
1382
00:55:38,030 --> 00:55:40,380
[Norton]
We have punk rockers
now fucking apologizing.
1383
00:55:40,424 --> 00:55:42,382
And it's like you don't
owe an apology, Henry.
1384
00:55:42,426 --> 00:55:44,123
Even if what you said
was wrong.
1385
00:55:44,166 --> 00:55:46,604
Even if Robin was suffering
and it wasn't selfish.
1386
00:55:46,647 --> 00:55:47,953
I don't think
you're out of line to say,
1387
00:55:47,996 --> 00:55:49,955
"Is this a selfish
fucking thing?"
1388
00:55:49,998 --> 00:55:51,783
[narrator]
If you challenge
society's taboos,
1389
00:55:51,826 --> 00:55:53,872
you might be looking
to start a discussion,
1390
00:55:53,915 --> 00:55:56,701
but don't be surprised
if you get called
names instead.
1391
00:55:56,744 --> 00:55:58,093
[Carolla]
All they're gonna do
1392
00:55:58,137 --> 00:56:00,400
is try to make you look
like a bigoted,
1393
00:56:00,444 --> 00:56:02,837
sexist,
xenophobic whatever...
1394
00:56:02,881 --> 00:56:05,666
You're just a privileged,
white feminist bitch--
1395
00:56:05,710 --> 00:56:07,059
[narrator]
That's how Twitter responded
1396
00:56:07,102 --> 00:56:08,539
to a British writer,
1397
00:56:08,582 --> 00:56:10,497
one of the few people
who questioned
1398
00:56:10,541 --> 00:56:11,933
whether
Justine Sacco's tweet
1399
00:56:11,977 --> 00:56:13,370
was really meant
to be racist.
1400
00:56:13,413 --> 00:56:17,025
And she said to her shame
she shut up
1401
00:56:17,069 --> 00:56:19,419
and watched Justine's life
get ripped apart.
1402
00:56:19,463 --> 00:56:20,812
We have to learn
1403
00:56:20,855 --> 00:56:22,596
you can't have
the exchange of ideas
1404
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,990
if there's
a chilling effect.
1405
00:56:25,033 --> 00:56:26,774
[narrator]
A chilling effect.
1406
00:56:26,818 --> 00:56:29,211
It's when you see others
getting shouted down
1407
00:56:29,255 --> 00:56:31,388
for voicing
controversial opinions
1408
00:56:31,431 --> 00:56:33,781
and you decide
to just shut up yourself.
1409
00:56:33,825 --> 00:56:36,001
Because, why bother?
1410
00:56:36,044 --> 00:56:37,263
It's like,
"Hey these are opinions
1411
00:56:37,306 --> 00:56:38,656
that people disagree with."
1412
00:56:38,699 --> 00:56:42,007
Like, "Hey, United States
there, buddy.
1413
00:56:42,050 --> 00:56:43,791
We're just one big pile
1414
00:56:43,835 --> 00:56:45,402
historically of opinions
1415
00:56:45,445 --> 00:56:48,143
that people disagreed with
and that's fine."
1416
00:56:52,757 --> 00:56:54,976
[Jon]
If this climate of fear
continues,
1417
00:56:55,020 --> 00:56:56,413
what it will create
1418
00:56:56,456 --> 00:56:59,938
is a cold conservative
conformist world.
1419
00:56:59,981 --> 00:57:01,983
Where what we're doing
is tearing apart
1420
00:57:02,027 --> 00:57:04,203
the people
who step out of line.
1421
00:57:04,246 --> 00:57:07,772
[narrator]
MSNBC's Martin Bashir
made pointed comments
1422
00:57:07,815 --> 00:57:10,557
about former Alaska Governor
Sarah Palin.
1423
00:57:10,601 --> 00:57:12,559
Harvard President
Lawrence Summers speculated
1424
00:57:12,603 --> 00:57:14,561
about why there aren't more
female science professors.
1425
00:57:14,605 --> 00:57:17,999
NPR's Juan Williams
admitted to feeling nervous
1426
00:57:18,043 --> 00:57:21,133
when he saw people dressed
in Muslim garb on airplanes.
1427
00:57:21,176 --> 00:57:25,050
They all stepped out of line
and it cost them their jobs.
1428
00:57:25,093 --> 00:57:26,965
All we're doing is
training each other to lie.
1429
00:57:27,008 --> 00:57:28,662
Training each other
to toe the company line
1430
00:57:28,706 --> 00:57:29,881
and then sitting around
1431
00:57:29,924 --> 00:57:31,317
like a bunch
of fucking dummies
1432
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:32,884
going, "How come no one
is honest anymore?"
1433
00:57:32,927 --> 00:57:34,320
I don't know, stupid,
because the last time
1434
00:57:34,363 --> 00:57:35,669
someone told the truth,
you jumped on them
1435
00:57:35,713 --> 00:57:37,323
and tried
to get them fired.
1436
00:57:37,366 --> 00:57:40,674
That's not more debate,
more speech, more thought.
1437
00:57:40,718 --> 00:57:42,546
That's a form
of private censorship.
1438
00:57:42,589 --> 00:57:45,026
And it may be legal,
but it's still usually
1439
00:57:45,070 --> 00:57:47,289
-a dangerous bad idea.
-Here.
1440
00:57:47,333 --> 00:57:49,944
[narrator]
The thing is
taboos are always changing.
1441
00:57:49,988 --> 00:57:51,946
Talking race
can be dicey today,
1442
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:55,036
years ago it was sex
that put everyone on edge.
1443
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,692
In 1851,
Gynecologist James Platt
1444
00:57:58,736 --> 00:58:01,478
got kicked out
of the American
Medical Association
1445
00:58:01,521 --> 00:58:02,870
after allowing
students to watch
1446
00:58:02,914 --> 00:58:04,872
a consenting woman
give birth.
1447
00:58:04,916 --> 00:58:07,048
In the 1970s,
researcher Vern Bullough
1448
00:58:07,092 --> 00:58:09,964
landed on the FBI's list
of dangerous Americans
1449
00:58:10,008 --> 00:58:13,272
because he supported things
like legalizing oral sex.
1450
00:58:13,315 --> 00:58:15,709
Today, childbirth
has become a lot safer
1451
00:58:15,753 --> 00:58:17,406
because
we've opened up about it
1452
00:58:17,450 --> 00:58:18,973
and adults
are no longer arrested
1453
00:58:19,017 --> 00:58:20,540
for oral sex.
1454
00:58:20,584 --> 00:58:22,977
In other words,
the censors got it wrong.
1455
00:58:23,021 --> 00:58:24,588
If you're on the side
of censorship,
1456
00:58:24,631 --> 00:58:26,720
you're on the side
of an arrogant idea
1457
00:58:26,764 --> 00:58:28,983
that essentially you know
where wisdom will come from
1458
00:58:29,027 --> 00:58:31,072
and you don't know
where wisdom will come from.
1459
00:58:31,116 --> 00:58:33,597
Gavin Newsom
can come back on my show
1460
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,076
tomorrow if he likes.
1461
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,514
The only way
that we find truth
1462
00:58:37,557 --> 00:58:40,212
in any society
is through public debate.
1463
00:58:40,255 --> 00:58:41,996
He will never
show up again
1464
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,738
because he does not wanna
fucking lock antlers
1465
00:58:44,782 --> 00:58:47,132
with someone
in a long-form discussion
1466
00:58:47,175 --> 00:58:48,350
on his policies.
1467
00:58:48,394 --> 00:58:50,048
Once you get
into the business
1468
00:58:50,091 --> 00:58:51,963
of saying you're going
to prohibit
1469
00:58:52,006 --> 00:58:53,138
things that people
find offensive
1470
00:58:53,181 --> 00:58:54,835
or wrongheaded,
1471
00:58:54,879 --> 00:58:58,099
that's where the most
sensitive person in society
1472
00:58:58,143 --> 00:59:01,494
gets to determine what all
the rest of us can hear.
1473
00:59:01,538 --> 00:59:03,409
Cars, technology,
1474
00:59:03,452 --> 00:59:05,106
cellphones,
like everything's this.
1475
00:59:05,150 --> 00:59:06,586
And then free speech,
1476
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:09,415
we're pulling it back
to the '40s.
1477
00:59:19,686 --> 00:59:21,514
[Ron]
After Lenny Bruce died
1478
00:59:21,558 --> 00:59:23,081
something remarkable
happened.
1479
00:59:23,124 --> 00:59:24,822
Was it a landmark
Supreme Court opinion?
1480
00:59:24,865 --> 00:59:26,301
No.
1481
00:59:26,345 --> 00:59:28,042
Was it a major act passed
by the Congress?
1482
00:59:28,086 --> 00:59:29,043
No.
1483
00:59:29,087 --> 00:59:30,392
The American culture
1484
00:59:30,436 --> 00:59:32,612
basically came
to the conclusion
1485
00:59:32,656 --> 00:59:36,181
that never again will this
or should this happen.
1486
00:59:36,224 --> 00:59:38,139
After Lenny Bruce died,
1487
00:59:38,183 --> 00:59:39,793
no comedian,
1488
00:59:39,837 --> 00:59:42,622
not a single comedian
in any of the states
1489
00:59:42,666 --> 00:59:45,103
was ever again prosecuted
1490
00:59:45,146 --> 00:59:46,234
for obscenity
1491
00:59:46,278 --> 00:59:47,758
in a comedy club.
1492
00:59:47,801 --> 00:59:50,195
That's a remarkable feat.
1493
00:59:50,238 --> 00:59:52,066
And I think that's why
1494
00:59:52,110 --> 00:59:54,416
so many comedians today
1495
00:59:54,460 --> 00:59:55,766
revere Lenny Bruce.
1496
00:59:55,809 --> 00:59:57,419
Guys like Pryor
and Carlin acknowledged,
1497
00:59:57,463 --> 00:59:58,986
Lenny is the guy that kicked
the fucking door open
1498
00:59:59,030 --> 01:00:00,335
for everybody.
1499
01:00:00,379 --> 01:00:01,946
So, we all owe him
a tremendous debt.
1500
01:00:01,989 --> 01:00:03,643
He was arrested
for what he said.
1501
01:00:03,687 --> 01:00:06,037
I can't imagine that.
1502
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:07,473
I can't imagine that.
1503
01:00:07,516 --> 01:00:09,170
But we fixed
a lot of that.
1504
01:00:09,214 --> 01:00:11,303
Oh, my God, yeah.
We don't get arrested anymore.
1505
01:00:11,346 --> 01:00:13,000
Our punishment
is now corporate
1506
01:00:13,044 --> 01:00:15,307
and you lose your gig
on Comedy Central
1507
01:00:15,350 --> 01:00:16,569
or you have to apologize
1508
01:00:16,613 --> 01:00:18,223
because you lose
a movie opportunity.
1509
01:00:18,266 --> 01:00:20,007
When Lenny did it,
it was a real penalty.
1510
01:00:20,051 --> 01:00:21,618
It was fucking--
it was going to jail.
1511
01:00:21,661 --> 01:00:25,447
Lenny Bruce was sentenced
to prison
1512
01:00:25,491 --> 01:00:28,363
'cause people
didn't like his jokes.
1513
01:00:28,407 --> 01:00:29,800
I should be hung.
1514
01:00:32,803 --> 01:00:34,326
[narrator]
The culture changed so much
1515
01:00:34,369 --> 01:00:36,545
that eventually
even the state of New York
1516
01:00:36,589 --> 01:00:38,199
admitted how stupid
it had been
1517
01:00:38,243 --> 01:00:39,853
to bust Lenny Bruce.
1518
01:00:39,897 --> 01:00:41,812
Ron Collins partnered
with fellow
1519
01:00:41,855 --> 01:00:44,336
First Amendment Attorney
Bob Corn-Revere
1520
01:00:44,379 --> 01:00:46,381
to petition
Governor George Pataki
1521
01:00:46,425 --> 01:00:47,731
to clear Lenny's name.
1522
01:00:47,774 --> 01:00:50,603
[Ron]
I never thought there was...
1523
01:00:50,647 --> 01:00:52,474
any chance at all
1524
01:00:52,518 --> 01:00:54,912
that the governor
would pardon Lenny.
1525
01:00:54,955 --> 01:00:56,435
[narrator]
It seemed impossible.
1526
01:00:56,478 --> 01:00:57,479
But then it happened.
1527
01:00:57,523 --> 01:00:59,220
[Bob]
This is a copy
1528
01:00:59,264 --> 01:01:02,615
of the pardon itself.
1529
01:01:02,659 --> 01:01:04,225
"Therefore, know ye
1530
01:01:04,269 --> 01:01:05,749
that I have pardoned,
1531
01:01:05,792 --> 01:01:07,533
remised, and released
1532
01:01:07,576 --> 01:01:09,361
and by these presents
do pardon,
1533
01:01:09,404 --> 01:01:10,971
remise and release
1534
01:01:11,015 --> 01:01:13,191
the said
Leonard Alfred Schneider
1535
01:01:13,234 --> 01:01:14,714
aka Lenny Bruce."
1536
01:01:14,758 --> 01:01:17,369
Archaic legal language
that basically says
1537
01:01:17,412 --> 01:01:18,892
Lenny Bruce
has been pardoned.
1538
01:01:18,936 --> 01:01:20,502
[Ron]
It was just
a wonderful feeling.
1539
01:01:20,546 --> 01:01:22,113
I really felt
1540
01:01:22,156 --> 01:01:25,682
that for just
a pinpoint in time,
1541
01:01:27,161 --> 01:01:28,989
the Earth shook,
just a little bit.
1542
01:01:29,033 --> 01:01:30,599
[narrator]
The pardon came 37 years
1543
01:01:30,643 --> 01:01:32,645
after Lenny's death.
1544
01:01:32,689 --> 01:01:35,039
Makes you wonder what Lenny
would think of today's world.
1545
01:01:35,082 --> 01:01:36,736
[Bob]
I think he would hear people
using language
1546
01:01:36,780 --> 01:01:37,955
that he was afraid
1547
01:01:37,998 --> 01:01:39,521
he was going
to go to jail over
1548
01:01:39,565 --> 01:01:41,436
and he would think,
"My gosh, things are freer
1549
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:42,873
than they've ever been,"
1550
01:01:42,916 --> 01:01:44,570
but at the same time
1551
01:01:44,613 --> 01:01:46,311
he would
probably be confronted
1552
01:01:46,354 --> 01:01:49,183
with attitudes that...
1553
01:01:50,358 --> 01:01:51,446
he wouldn't be able
1554
01:01:51,490 --> 01:01:53,187
to get his mind
around the idea
1555
01:01:53,231 --> 01:01:55,799
that if he said
something offensive
1556
01:01:55,842 --> 01:01:58,497
that people
would turn him in.
1557
01:01:58,540 --> 01:02:00,107
[narrator]
It's a weird, terrifying,
1558
01:02:00,151 --> 01:02:02,196
and exhilarating time
to be a comedian.
1559
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:03,545
You don't have
to worry about cops
1560
01:02:03,589 --> 01:02:04,938
arresting you at clubs,
1561
01:02:04,982 --> 01:02:06,984
and new technology
like podcasts
1562
01:02:07,027 --> 01:02:09,290
lets you avoid corporate
and government authorities.
1563
01:02:09,334 --> 01:02:10,814
Smartphones
and social media
1564
01:02:10,857 --> 01:02:11,858
allow you
to connect with fans
1565
01:02:11,902 --> 01:02:13,599
and build a following.
1566
01:02:13,642 --> 01:02:15,862
But it's that same
liberating technology
1567
01:02:15,906 --> 01:02:17,777
that's fueling
the outrage mob.
1568
01:02:17,821 --> 01:02:19,910
[Noam]
We had thousands of people
1569
01:02:19,953 --> 01:02:21,346
tweeting against us.
1570
01:02:21,389 --> 01:02:23,087
[narrator]
They demanded Noam Dworman
1571
01:02:23,130 --> 01:02:25,306
stop giving stage time
to Artie Lange
1572
01:02:25,350 --> 01:02:27,787
because they were offended
by one of his jokes.
1573
01:02:27,831 --> 01:02:29,180
"New York Comedy Cellar
if you don't stop
1574
01:02:29,223 --> 01:02:30,485
using Artie Lange
we're gonna bring
1575
01:02:30,529 --> 01:02:31,660
-the protest to you."
-[Greg] Wow.
1576
01:02:31,704 --> 01:02:32,836
And this began
to bubble up
1577
01:02:32,879 --> 01:02:34,402
to the point
where I got scared
1578
01:02:34,446 --> 01:02:36,840
and actually pulled down
all our podcasts off the--
1579
01:02:36,883 --> 01:02:38,406
off the air
because I didn't want anybody
1580
01:02:38,450 --> 01:02:40,713
to start researching
what other kinds of jokes
1581
01:02:40,757 --> 01:02:42,149
we might have made.
1582
01:02:43,672 --> 01:02:46,066
[gunshots]
1583
01:02:46,110 --> 01:02:47,459
[narrator]
Times are especially tough
1584
01:02:47,502 --> 01:02:49,330
for comedy
outside the U.S.
1585
01:02:49,374 --> 01:02:51,942
On January 7th, 2015
1586
01:02:51,985 --> 01:02:53,813
terrorists
offended by cartoons
1587
01:02:53,857 --> 01:02:55,902
depicting
the Muslim prophet Muhammad
1588
01:02:55,946 --> 01:02:58,035
shot and killed
11 staff members
1589
01:02:58,078 --> 01:02:59,645
of the satirical magazine
1590
01:02:59,688 --> 01:03:01,865
Charlie Hebdo
at their office in Paris.
1591
01:03:01,908 --> 01:03:03,431
[Greg]
The Charlie Hebdo massacre
1592
01:03:03,475 --> 01:03:05,216
should've been
a wakeup call to everyone
1593
01:03:05,259 --> 01:03:06,870
who believes in free speech
all over the world.
1594
01:03:06,913 --> 01:03:08,436
That you can't
have a right
1595
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,308
not to be offended
without it backfiring,
1596
01:03:10,351 --> 01:03:12,745
without it being
a terrible disaster.
1597
01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:14,312
And there was a moment
1598
01:03:14,355 --> 01:03:16,836
when it looked like France
and the European Union
1599
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:18,098
have learned this lesson.
1600
01:03:18,142 --> 01:03:19,491
[Jonathan]
Hundreds of thousands
1601
01:03:19,534 --> 01:03:21,754
of citizens of France
1602
01:03:21,798 --> 01:03:23,625
in the streets
for free speech.
1603
01:03:23,669 --> 01:03:24,975
You know, it's like
1604
01:03:25,018 --> 01:03:26,541
we all take a bullet.
1605
01:03:26,585 --> 01:03:27,847
They killed people,
1606
01:03:27,891 --> 01:03:29,849
but all French people
take a bullet.
1607
01:03:29,893 --> 01:03:31,068
[Greg]
But within a week
1608
01:03:31,111 --> 01:03:33,897
of the massacre
they were arresting
1609
01:03:33,940 --> 01:03:35,289
people for cracking jokes.
1610
01:03:35,333 --> 01:03:36,595
They go after a comedian
1611
01:03:36,638 --> 01:03:37,857
who kind of condones
the terrorism
1612
01:03:37,901 --> 01:03:39,424
or makes fun of it.
1613
01:03:39,467 --> 01:03:41,861
Now, I think that comedian's
opinion stinks,
1614
01:03:41,905 --> 01:03:43,384
but you--hey, dummies,
1615
01:03:43,428 --> 01:03:44,864
do you want free speech
or don't you?
1616
01:03:44,908 --> 01:03:46,735
[narrator]
A comedian called Dieudonné
1617
01:03:46,779 --> 01:03:49,129
was found guilty
of condoning terrorism
1618
01:03:49,173 --> 01:03:51,436
and received a suspended
two-month jail term
1619
01:03:51,479 --> 01:03:53,177
for a Facebook post.
1620
01:03:53,220 --> 01:03:55,440
He wrote that he felt
"like Charlie Coulibaly,"
1621
01:03:55,483 --> 01:03:58,356
a play on the popular
"I am Charlie Hebdo" slogan
1622
01:03:58,399 --> 01:03:59,661
that incorporated the name
1623
01:03:59,705 --> 01:04:00,793
of one
of the Paris attackers.
1624
01:04:00,837 --> 01:04:03,491
[speaking French]
1625
01:04:03,535 --> 01:04:05,145
[narrator]
He has been repeatedly fined
1626
01:04:05,189 --> 01:04:07,669
for anti-Semitic speech
and local authorities
1627
01:04:07,713 --> 01:04:09,846
have banned his shows
in several towns
1628
01:04:09,889 --> 01:04:12,761
because they see his act
as a threat to public order.
1629
01:04:12,805 --> 01:04:14,546
I mean, yeah,
you're not shooting people
1630
01:04:14,589 --> 01:04:16,809
like the Islamic militants
did,
1631
01:04:16,853 --> 01:04:18,811
but you are
arresting people.
1632
01:04:18,855 --> 01:04:20,944
You are penalizing people
1633
01:04:20,987 --> 01:04:22,467
for saying shit
you don't like.
1634
01:04:22,510 --> 01:04:24,077
France, like...
1635
01:04:24,121 --> 01:04:25,600
all developed countries
in the world
1636
01:04:25,644 --> 01:04:28,255
except the United States
has hate speech laws.
1637
01:04:28,299 --> 01:04:29,691
France's
free speech stinks.
1638
01:04:29,735 --> 01:04:31,476
Canada is not great
with free speech.
1639
01:04:31,519 --> 01:04:32,999
They have a whole
human rights commission
1640
01:04:33,043 --> 01:04:34,914
that penalizes people.
1641
01:04:34,958 --> 01:04:37,003
Britain kind of stinks
for certain reasons.
1642
01:04:37,047 --> 01:04:38,700
You can get in big trouble
for saying things.
1643
01:04:38,744 --> 01:04:39,832
[narrator]
Britain jails people
1644
01:04:39,876 --> 01:04:41,094
who make comments
1645
01:04:41,138 --> 01:04:42,835
officials deem
to be offensive,
1646
01:04:42,879 --> 01:04:44,402
and an accountant
named Paul Chambers
1647
01:04:44,445 --> 01:04:46,012
was arrested
for a Twitter joke
1648
01:04:46,056 --> 01:04:50,103
authorities misconstrued
as a terrorist threat.
1649
01:04:50,147 --> 01:04:51,975
In France,
Dieudonné's clashes
1650
01:04:52,018 --> 01:04:54,455
with authorities
have fueled his popularity
1651
01:04:54,499 --> 01:04:56,849
and turned him
into a martyr.
1652
01:04:56,893 --> 01:04:59,852
But today, more Americans
support hate speech laws
1653
01:04:59,896 --> 01:05:01,245
than oppose them.
1654
01:05:01,288 --> 01:05:02,942
Yes, the same nation
that thinks
1655
01:05:02,986 --> 01:05:04,335
it was ridiculous
for cops
1656
01:05:04,378 --> 01:05:06,424
to arrest Lenny Bruce
for words,
1657
01:05:06,467 --> 01:05:08,730
supports laws
that would allow cops
1658
01:05:08,774 --> 01:05:11,342
to arrest people
for words.
1659
01:05:19,654 --> 01:05:21,743
[Ron]
We must not be afraid
1660
01:05:21,787 --> 01:05:22,962
to be free.
1661
01:05:23,006 --> 01:05:24,485
It's scary.
1662
01:05:24,529 --> 01:05:25,573
It really is.
1663
01:05:25,617 --> 01:05:26,792
And I think Lenny Bruce
1664
01:05:26,835 --> 01:05:28,533
brought that point home
in spades.
1665
01:05:28,576 --> 01:05:30,100
[Bob]
The pardon obviously
1666
01:05:30,143 --> 01:05:31,753
wasn't for Lenny Bruce
1667
01:05:31,797 --> 01:05:33,973
even though it was done
in his name.
1668
01:05:34,017 --> 01:05:36,671
The pardon was really
for the rest of us
1669
01:05:36,715 --> 01:05:39,544
to stand as sort of
a public monument
1670
01:05:39,587 --> 01:05:41,111
to the values
that we protect.
1671
01:05:41,154 --> 01:05:42,677
We do protect
the outcasts.
1672
01:05:42,721 --> 01:05:46,333
We do protect the people
who are there
1673
01:05:46,377 --> 01:05:48,205
and who will offend us.
1674
01:05:48,248 --> 01:05:49,641
If we can protect
those people,
1675
01:05:49,684 --> 01:05:51,469
then all of us can sleep
a little safer at night
1676
01:05:51,512 --> 01:05:53,079
because we know
that we will be able
1677
01:05:53,123 --> 01:05:54,689
to express our ideas, too.
1678
01:05:54,733 --> 01:05:56,865
At the end of the day
it's not like we have
1679
01:05:56,909 --> 01:05:59,477
all of the high cards
when it comes to truth,
1680
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,044
morality,
1681
01:06:01,087 --> 01:06:03,394
patriotism,
what have you.
1682
01:06:03,437 --> 01:06:05,178
We need a few wild cards,
1683
01:06:05,222 --> 01:06:07,267
we need
a few code breakers,
1684
01:06:07,311 --> 01:06:09,052
we need a few people
1685
01:06:09,095 --> 01:06:12,403
that are willing if you will
to jerk our chains,
1686
01:06:12,446 --> 01:06:13,578
all right?
1687
01:06:13,621 --> 01:06:14,579
In other words,
1688
01:06:14,622 --> 01:06:16,624
we need more Lenny Bruces.
1689
01:06:24,023 --> 01:06:26,983
[Mel]
You fucking offend me.
1690
01:06:27,026 --> 01:06:29,898
And you don't care
about anyone but yourself.
1691
01:06:29,942 --> 01:06:32,727
[Gilbert]
I remember when
all the news stories
1692
01:06:32,771 --> 01:06:34,991
came out about Mel Gibson
1693
01:06:35,034 --> 01:06:37,210
being arrested
for drunk driving.
1694
01:06:37,254 --> 01:06:39,604
The police woman
was Jewish
1695
01:06:39,647 --> 01:06:42,781
and he started saying stuff
about the Jews.
1696
01:06:42,824 --> 01:06:45,131
Then he started
to say stuff
1697
01:06:45,175 --> 01:06:47,307
calling her sugar tits.
1698
01:06:47,351 --> 01:06:49,657
Then he started
saying like,
1699
01:06:49,701 --> 01:06:53,052
that a group
of African Americans,
1700
01:06:53,096 --> 01:06:58,101
only he didn't use the term
African Americans,
1701
01:06:58,144 --> 01:07:00,755
should rape
and kill his wife
1702
01:07:00,799 --> 01:07:03,976
or he was going to kill her,
hitting her with a shovel
1703
01:07:04,020 --> 01:07:06,718
and burying her
in the rose garden.
1704
01:07:06,761 --> 01:07:10,374
And after all that came out,
all I could think is,
1705
01:07:10,417 --> 01:07:11,462
"Wait a minute,
1706
01:07:11,505 --> 01:07:13,464
what did he say
about the Jews?"
1707
01:07:13,507 --> 01:07:17,555
So, I think people
like to pick and choose
1708
01:07:17,598 --> 01:07:19,513
what to get offended by.
1709
01:07:19,557 --> 01:07:22,473
I think being offended
is a smorgasbord
1710
01:07:22,516 --> 01:07:24,997
and you go, "Okay,
I like this and this.
1711
01:07:25,041 --> 01:07:27,826
Oh, that I'm offended by,
oh, this is good,
1712
01:07:27,869 --> 01:07:29,349
no, that one
I'm offended."
1713
01:07:29,393 --> 01:07:31,525
Well, liberals are offended
by certain things.
1714
01:07:31,569 --> 01:07:32,918
Blacks are offended
by certain things.
1715
01:07:32,961 --> 01:07:34,224
Women are offended
by certain things.
1716
01:07:34,267 --> 01:07:35,399
White Christian males
are offended
1717
01:07:35,442 --> 01:07:36,748
by certain things.
1718
01:07:36,791 --> 01:07:37,792
We're all offended
by whatever
1719
01:07:37,836 --> 01:07:39,185
violates our comfort zone.
1720
01:07:39,229 --> 01:07:41,013
[narrator]
If comedians steered clear
1721
01:07:41,057 --> 01:07:42,971
of anything that violates
someone's comfort zone,
1722
01:07:43,015 --> 01:07:45,409
imagine what the comedy shows
of the future would be like.
1723
01:07:45,452 --> 01:07:47,063
[Jonathan]
One of the first things
you know
1724
01:07:47,106 --> 01:07:48,890
when a society
is turning authoritarian
1725
01:07:48,934 --> 01:07:50,849
is the comedians
start to worry.
1726
01:07:50,892 --> 01:07:52,459
When they start going
for the comedians
1727
01:07:52,503 --> 01:07:53,895
everyone else
needs to sweat.
1728
01:07:53,939 --> 01:07:55,201
Do you really want
to live in a world
1729
01:07:55,245 --> 01:07:56,420
where people
have to think twice
1730
01:07:56,463 --> 01:07:58,117
before they tell
any kind of joke,
1731
01:07:58,161 --> 01:08:00,250
or question
someone else's religion,
1732
01:08:00,293 --> 01:08:01,947
or question anybody
at any level?
1733
01:08:01,990 --> 01:08:03,644
Because if you're going to say
one person,
1734
01:08:03,688 --> 01:08:05,211
you know, who said something
that you don't like,
1735
01:08:05,255 --> 01:08:06,343
doesn't have
the right to do that,
1736
01:08:06,386 --> 01:08:08,127
then what about you?
1737
01:08:08,171 --> 01:08:09,868
What if you say something
that someone doesn't like?
1738
01:08:09,911 --> 01:08:12,131
Along with the right
to speak freely
1739
01:08:12,175 --> 01:08:14,829
comes a responsibility
to have a thick skin.
1740
01:08:14,873 --> 01:08:16,179
Words can be hurtful
1741
01:08:16,222 --> 01:08:18,572
but they're not the same
as violence
1742
01:08:18,616 --> 01:08:20,313
and they can be countered
with other words.
1743
01:08:20,357 --> 01:08:22,098
And that's
our responsibility.
1744
01:08:22,141 --> 01:08:23,751
It's the responsibility
to put up
1745
01:08:23,795 --> 01:08:25,275
with being offended.
1746
01:08:27,190 --> 01:08:28,930
[narrator]
So, where are we headed?
1747
01:08:28,974 --> 01:08:30,454
Will we embrace
free speech
1748
01:08:30,497 --> 01:08:32,369
or will we turn
toward America's past
1749
01:08:32,412 --> 01:08:33,848
and Europe's present
1750
01:08:33,892 --> 01:08:36,112
and arrest people
for word crimes?
1751
01:08:36,155 --> 01:08:38,201
[Greg]
The idea of a future
in which we're all
1752
01:08:38,244 --> 01:08:40,855
always walking on eggshells
does not appeal to me.
1753
01:08:40,899 --> 01:08:43,510
When I look ahead
I see America
1754
01:08:43,554 --> 01:08:45,512
increasingly
standing alone
1755
01:08:45,556 --> 01:08:47,819
as committed
to the First Amendment in law.
1756
01:08:47,862 --> 01:08:49,516
And I don't think we're ever
gonna get better with it.
1757
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:50,909
This whole thing,
like, every time
1758
01:08:50,952 --> 01:08:52,171
something big happens
we're like,
1759
01:08:52,215 --> 01:08:53,738
"Oh, tide's
about to turn."
1760
01:08:53,781 --> 01:08:55,305
It's never
going to change.
1761
01:08:55,348 --> 01:08:58,003
It's gonna keep
going downhill.
1762
01:08:58,046 --> 01:09:00,266
[Greg]
There was this huge study
that's done every year
1763
01:09:00,310 --> 01:09:02,181
and they ask citizens
whether or not they think
1764
01:09:02,225 --> 01:09:03,704
the First Amendment
went too far.
1765
01:09:03,748 --> 01:09:07,665
47% of people
between the ages of 18 and 30
1766
01:09:07,708 --> 01:09:09,493
said the First Amendment
goes too far.
1767
01:09:09,536 --> 01:09:11,147
This is terrifying
to those of us
1768
01:09:11,190 --> 01:09:12,235
who care about
free speech
1769
01:09:12,278 --> 01:09:13,497
and the future
of free speech.
1770
01:09:13,540 --> 01:09:14,933
Everybody says,
"I love free speech.
1771
01:09:14,976 --> 01:09:17,240
I love free thought,
I love free expression,"
1772
01:09:17,283 --> 01:09:18,589
but deep down
they're all going,
1773
01:09:18,632 --> 01:09:20,330
"Except for when,
except for when."
1774
01:09:20,373 --> 01:09:21,983
There's always
that little asterisk,
1775
01:09:22,027 --> 01:09:24,464
as to--it doesn't--
that doesn't apply here.
1776
01:09:24,508 --> 01:09:28,642
But you might be interested
in how I became offensive.
1777
01:09:28,686 --> 01:09:30,253
[narrator]
You know, a comedian changed
1778
01:09:30,296 --> 01:09:31,645
the culture once,
1779
01:09:31,689 --> 01:09:34,431
maybe comedians
will do it again.
1780
01:09:34,474 --> 01:09:36,041
[Lisa]
We're not backing down.
1781
01:09:36,084 --> 01:09:38,261
I mean, we're not gonna quit
anytime soon.
1782
01:09:38,304 --> 01:09:40,437
And I think--
I think people are a little,
1783
01:09:40,480 --> 01:09:41,960
like...
1784
01:09:42,003 --> 01:09:44,484
sick of these
politically correct folks.
1785
01:09:44,528 --> 01:09:46,225
I like to think
1786
01:09:46,269 --> 01:09:47,661
that really
1787
01:09:47,705 --> 01:09:50,360
the majority of people
1788
01:09:50,403 --> 01:09:52,797
do have a brain
in their heads
1789
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:56,235
and aren't getting offended
if they hear a joke.
1790
01:09:56,279 --> 01:09:58,106
I used to not invite
my friends
1791
01:09:58,150 --> 01:09:59,325
that had herpes
1792
01:09:59,369 --> 01:10:01,980
to this all girl
stand-up show that I did
1793
01:10:02,023 --> 01:10:03,851
because this one girl
that I performed with
1794
01:10:03,895 --> 01:10:06,593
had a really,
really funny herpes joke.
1795
01:10:06,637 --> 01:10:08,334
I'm, like, so codependent
that I thought,
1796
01:10:08,378 --> 01:10:10,075
"God, I'm just gonna see
my friend in the audience
1797
01:10:10,118 --> 01:10:11,207
and she's gonna talk
about herpes
1798
01:10:11,250 --> 01:10:12,599
and I know she has herpes.
1799
01:10:12,643 --> 01:10:14,514
And that'll really hurt
her feelings."
1800
01:10:14,558 --> 01:10:16,037
So, I didn't invite her
to several shows.
1801
01:10:16,081 --> 01:10:17,909
And then all of a sudden
she was at the show
1802
01:10:17,952 --> 01:10:19,476
and here is the girl
I'm performing with
1803
01:10:19,519 --> 01:10:22,174
does the herpes stuff
and I was like, "Oh, no!"
1804
01:10:22,218 --> 01:10:23,262
And I look out
and she's laughing
1805
01:10:23,306 --> 01:10:25,264
harder than anyone.
1806
01:10:25,308 --> 01:10:27,223
-My double D sister
over there!
-[narrator] Karith Foster
1807
01:10:27,266 --> 01:10:28,789
is still using comedy
to start
1808
01:10:28,833 --> 01:10:30,704
honest conversations
on campus
1809
01:10:30,748 --> 01:10:32,619
and students geek out
on free speech
1810
01:10:32,663 --> 01:10:34,186
at conferences organized
1811
01:10:34,230 --> 01:10:36,406
by Greg Lukianoff's
organization.
1812
01:10:36,449 --> 01:10:38,538
Chris Lee has graduated
from college
1813
01:10:38,582 --> 01:10:40,801
and now AIDS
and cancer charities hire him
1814
01:10:40,845 --> 01:10:42,803
to tell filthy jokes
at their events.
1815
01:10:42,847 --> 01:10:44,109
[Chris]
They don't go,
"Ugh, that joke
1816
01:10:44,152 --> 01:10:45,502
ruined my night."
1817
01:10:45,545 --> 01:10:47,286
Because it can't.
They beat cancer.
1818
01:10:47,330 --> 01:10:48,374
[narrator]
The world of comedy
1819
01:10:48,418 --> 01:10:49,767
is one of the few places
1820
01:10:49,810 --> 01:10:51,247
where playing
the outrage card
1821
01:10:51,290 --> 01:10:52,596
doesn't work too well.
1822
01:10:52,639 --> 01:10:54,293
Thank goodness,
plenty of us
1823
01:10:54,337 --> 01:10:56,643
can still get offended
without having a meltdown.
1824
01:10:56,687 --> 01:10:58,515
And thank goodness,
so many of us
1825
01:10:58,558 --> 01:10:59,646
can still take a joke.
1826
01:10:59,690 --> 01:11:01,605
To get
all these emails saying,
1827
01:11:01,648 --> 01:11:03,346
"Oh, my God, we'll be
the four gay guys
in the front.
1828
01:11:03,389 --> 01:11:05,565
Please call us this
or call us that."
1829
01:11:05,609 --> 01:11:07,306
I have guys come up to me
on the street and say,
1830
01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:09,265
"Hey, call my friend
and call them this"
1831
01:11:09,308 --> 01:11:10,657
or "Call my wife
and call her the 'C' word.
1832
01:11:10,701 --> 01:11:12,050
She'll--she loves you."
1833
01:11:12,093 --> 01:11:13,486
'Cause I've had
handicapped people
1834
01:11:13,530 --> 01:11:15,619
come up to me
or write me letters saying,
1835
01:11:15,662 --> 01:11:17,708
"I think it's bullshit
that you don't make fun of us.
1836
01:11:17,751 --> 01:11:19,318
Like,
we can't take a joke?"
1837
01:11:19,362 --> 01:11:21,973
The race
to be the most outraged
1838
01:11:22,016 --> 01:11:23,627
is really,
really awful stuff,
1839
01:11:23,670 --> 01:11:25,019
but you're not gonna be
talking about this
1840
01:11:25,063 --> 01:11:26,325
in 20 years.
1841
01:11:26,369 --> 01:11:28,371
Yeah, this will be
completely fixed.
1842
01:11:28,414 --> 01:11:30,590
We have to scream at it
and stand on the mountaintops
1843
01:11:30,634 --> 01:11:32,200
and have no fear and yell,
1844
01:11:32,244 --> 01:11:34,551
"You cannot put
a chilling effect
1845
01:11:34,594 --> 01:11:35,769
on our freedom of speech.
1846
01:11:35,813 --> 01:11:37,249
But, oh, by the way,
1847
01:11:37,293 --> 01:11:39,425
keep in mind
while we're doing this
1848
01:11:39,469 --> 01:11:40,948
that we're gonna win."
1849
01:11:40,992 --> 01:11:43,647
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