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Morgan Freeman: My home
is here in Mississippi.
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I've lived in
many other places.
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New York, la,
San Francisco, Chicago,
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but this place defines me.
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June-bug.
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Got him when he was four
and a half months old,
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undernourished,
but he had attitude.
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Got a great walking gait.
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It's the smell of
grass in the spring,
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the sound of birds.
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I just know I'm home.
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My parents lived
right here on this land and
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you can't understand me
without understanding where
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I was created.
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Every religion has
a creation story,
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so, what do those stories
tell us about who we are and
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where we came from?
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I'm setting out to
discover where we began...
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Jodi magness: Jerusalem
is conceived of as Eden,
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as paradise.
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Morgan Freeman: To unearth
civilization's oldest roots...
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Man: This is the Mayan part.
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Richard Hansen: This is
the Maya Genesis story.
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Morgan Freeman: To locate the
Genesis of religion itself...
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Amy bogaard: People are
literally living with ancestors.
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Morgan Freeman: And I'll go
back to the dawn of time...
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Benda paranjape: Hindus do
not believe in one creation.
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They say that these
are cycles of creation.
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Morgan Freeman: To discover
if science and religion,
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can co-exist.
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Monsignor sorondo: The big
bang is not creation because
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we don't know what
was before the big bang.
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Morgan Freeman: There are
billions of us on this planet.
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It's hard to believe
we all came from one man
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E
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but we did.
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Who were they?
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When and where did they live?
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Jewish, Christian and
Muslim traditions trace us
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all back to Adam and Eve.
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The book of Genesis
says they came from a
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place called Eden,
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near the tigris and
euphrates rivers somewhere
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in the ancient near east.
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No-one has yet found the
location of the garden of Eden,
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though many have tried,
but why do we want to find it?
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Well, the reason
is interesting.
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The garden of Eden doesn't
just represent the beginning
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of humanity, it is the
beginning of our conversation
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with god and finding out
when and where that took place
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would tell us an awful
lot about who we are.
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So I'm off to Jerusalem.
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This is one of the
oldest cities in the world.
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There's evidence of people
living around here for more
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than 7,000 years.
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Today, it's the religious
center of the Jewish world.
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It was around here that
Genesis was first written down,
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about 2,500 years ago.
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Archaeologist Jodi magness is
taking me to the church of the
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holy sepulcher, where
there is a little known link
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to the garden of Eden.
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So this is it, this is the
church of the holy sepulcher.
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Many christians believe
this is the site where Jesus
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was crucified and buried,
but another ancient tradition
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says it's also the
burial place of Adam.
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Jodi magness: The area
that we're walking into here
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is underneath the
rock of golgotha,
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which is the rocky outcrop
on which christians believe
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Jesus was crucified.
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And this is called
the chapel of Adam.
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There's a tradition which
goes way back in christianity
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which connects this
spot to Adam, the first man.
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When Jesus was crucified on
top of the rock above us...
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Morgan Freeman:
Mm-hmm, yeah?
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Jodi magness: His blood
flowed down through a crack in
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the rock and Adam,
the first man,
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lay buried underneath and when
Jesus' blood flowed onto Adam,
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Adam was then resurrected.
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Morgan Freeman:
Almost 1,700 years ago,
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when Roman emperor
constantine built the church,
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he also made a shrine
around this crack in the
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rock of golgotha,
the chapel of Adam.
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But doesn't this contradict
that section of the Bible that
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says that the garden of
Eden was located somewhere
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near the euphrates and the...
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Jodi magness: Tigris.
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Morgan Freeman: Tigris?
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Jodi magness: Well, the
version of the story that
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ended up in the book of
Genesis seems to place the
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garden of Eden
somewhere in mesopotamia,
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which is the area
of modern Iraq.
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Morgan Freeman: But
how do think tradition...
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Jodi magness: Mm-hmm.
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Morgan Freeman: Of Adam
gets to be here in Jerusalem?
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Jodi magness: Well, i
think Adam probably does have
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a very special
connection with Jerusalem.
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The garden of Eden,
or paradise,
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becomes conceptualized as
the spot where the presence
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of god dwells.
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In early judaism,
in the time of Jesus,
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the presence of god
dwelled in the temple,
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on the temple mount, and
hence Jerusalem was conceived
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of as Eden, as paradise.
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Morgan Freeman: So you
are saying Eden could also
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be a metaphor?
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Jodi magness: Right,
well, yes, of course,
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Adam was the first human
and in Hebrew the word Adam,
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Adam just means man.
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Morgan Freeman:
Hold up, hold up.
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You just said something
now, the word just means man.
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Jodi magness: Yes.
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Morgan Freeman: Adam...
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Jodi magness: Yes,
also, the name Adam,
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if you take off the
a and you just leave d-a-m,
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in Hebrew, dam,
that means blood.
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Or if you add
an a-h to the end,
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adamah, means land.
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Morgan Freeman:
Land itself into blood.
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Jodi magness: Yep.
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Morgan Freeman:
Ok, all right.
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Could the story of Adam
and Eve's expulsion from the
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garden also have
metaphorical meanings?
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Adam and Eve lived
in a land of plenty,
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but when they ate the
fruit of the forbidden tree,
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they were cast out and
forced to work the land.
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In other words, they
became the first farmers.
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I'm heading to a region
where researchers are digging
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up some of humanity's
oldest farming communities,
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in central Turkey.
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I'm interested in finding
out if the birth of farming
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and the birth of belief
in god are connected.
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Could this have been Eden?
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Amy?
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Amy bogaard:
Hello, come on over.
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Morgan Freeman: Archaeologist
Amy bogaard has been digging
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with a team here at
chatalhöyük for two decades.
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Amy bogaard: Welcome.
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Morgan Freeman: Thank you.
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So, chatalhöyük,
9,000 year old settlement.
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9,000 years old.
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Amy bogaard:
Amazing, isn't it?
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So at its maximum extent,
it's 13 hectares.
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That would be like
20 football pitches,
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Morgan Freeman: Ok.
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Amy bogaard: In extent.
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Morgan Freeman: Mm-hmm,
right, NFL football pitches
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or soccer pitches?
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Amy bogaard: I don't know,
probably soccer.
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Morgan Freeman: Ok, but
they're all pretty much
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the same size.
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Amy bogaard: Yeah, you
can see that these houses are
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densely crowded together.
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There isn't much
space between them.
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Morgan Freeman: There
is no space between them.
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Amy bogaard: Yeah.
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Morgan Freeman: They
had no windows or doors.
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Amy bogaard: Every
house would have its own
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entrance from above.
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Morgan Freeman: It would?
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Amy bogaard: Yes.
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Morgan Freeman: Chatalhöyük
was a city with no streets.
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The people who lived
here walked across town
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over the rooftops.
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Roofs were also
where they worked.
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The people of chatalhöyük
were some of the world's
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first city dwellers,
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but I want to know
whether they were also some
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of the first believers.
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Did they think their
world was created by a god?
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Amy takes me to a house
that may hold the answers.
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What's the point of that,
red rimmed hole that looks
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like a very definite,
has a definite reason?
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Amy bogaard: It's a
typical sort of feature
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that's found at chatal
which is a niche for hiding
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things away, like the
cash obsidian, you know,
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volcanic glass, 'cause
it's a valued, you know,
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cutting material.
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Morgan Freeman: You actually
don't find it everywhere.
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Amy bogaard: Right.
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Morgan Freeman: The most
important hiding places
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archaeologists have
found at chatalhöyük are
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beneath the sleeping areas.
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Ok, so what are
those holes up there?
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Amy bogaard: Those are
actually burial places,
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those are
burial pits, where...
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Morgan Freeman: Wait a minute,
wait a minute, wait.
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A human being is not
gonna fit in there.
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A baby, maybe.
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Amy bogaard: The way they
can fit mature adults in pits
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like that is to bind them
up very, very, very tightly
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in a flexed position and
the holes are periodically
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reopened and new individuals
added through the lifetime
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of the house.
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Morgan Freeman: Wow.
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Amy bogaard: People are
buried under the platforms
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so that people are literally
living with ancestors.
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Morgan Freeman: It
sounds like this has
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some religious content.
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Amy bogaard: I
think you're right,
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and they start to raise
questions about what you might
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call ritual practice, which
seemed to have been crucial
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for life in this community.
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Morgan Freeman: Could
these burials be evidence
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of belief in god?
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Anthropologist Harvey
whitehouse is trying to get
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inside the heads of
these early city dwellers.
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Harvey whitehouse: So this
is a pretty authentic mock-up
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of what a typical kind
of house in chatalhöyük
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would have looked like.
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These are the kinds of
objects that we'd expect to
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find in one
of those houses.
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Over here, we've got
examples of wall art.
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You know, here
we've got bull heads.
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We often find these
inserted into the walls.
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In one case, I've seen them
arranged almost like a sort of
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protective shield around
one of these clean spaces;
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and we know that these
clean spaces were used
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for sleeping on.
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Morgan Freeman: So, Harvey,
you're an anthropologist...
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Harvey whitehouse: Mm-hmm.
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Morgan Freeman: So you're
more into what people are
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mentally into, right?
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Harvey whitehouse: Well,
my imagination runs riot
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in an environment like
this because I've seen the
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kind of stuff that
comes out of the walls and
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that they've been
taking out of the floors.
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We know that there were
very interesting rituals
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surrounding the
burial of human remains,
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but those objects
would be periodically in
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many cases brought out.
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What they were
doing with them,
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we don't really know,
but in many cases they were
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put back very
carefully and replaced.
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It's almost as if this isn't
just a domestic dwelling,
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this is like a kind
of living temple.
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Morgan Freeman: You
used that word, temple.
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Harvey whitehouse: Temple.
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Well, what is a temple,
you know, if not a sort of,
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an environment in
which the ritual life of a
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community is conducted?
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And I think that's what is
going on in these houses.
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Morgan Freeman:
Here in chatalhöyük,
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there were obviously
all kinds of rituals,
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particularly burial rituals,
but no sign of an organized
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religion, so the question
remains unanswered for me.
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Did religion allow
man to live together,
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grow food?
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Or did civilization give
rise to our belief in god?
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While in chatalhöyük, i
heard about another excavation
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just a few hundred miles
to the east that may hold
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the answer for me.
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It's an 11,000 year old site
that lies between the tigris
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and euphrates rivers, the
biblical location of Eden.
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Harvey whitehouse: Ok,
we're now in enclosure d,
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the best preserved of the
enclosures that we have here,
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so we've had radiocarbon
data and they've come back
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as 9,400 bc,
plus or minus.
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Morgan Freeman: It's called
göbekli tepe and here I may
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find evidence of the
very first moments humans
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worshipped the divine.
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Stone age architects
built 20 monumental sectors
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here made from
large t-shaped pillars.
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Archeologist Lee Clare
leads the team trying
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to decipher its mysteries.
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Lee Clare: The two central
pillars stand in the middle of
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a round oval building and
the wall surrounding it,
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at regular intervals we
see smaller t pillars.
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Morgan Freeman:
Fearsome animals were carved
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into some of the pillars,
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but the stones' t shapes
may represent the human form.
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They could be men or
they could be gods.
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Lee Clare: If you look
closely around the top,
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the t is the head and
then we have on the side,
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the broad side,
the arm coming down.
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You can see a
belt buckle here.
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They could be
mythological ancestors.
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Alternatively, they could
be really the first deities,
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first gods, that
these people were possibly
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worshipping in this
circular structure.
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Morgan Freeman: Lee and
most archaeologists believe
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these stone circles
were used for rituals,
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but no-one appears to
have actually lived here.
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The people of göbekli tepe
were roaming hunter gatherers,
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not settled farmers, so why
did they build a permanent
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place to worship
tied to one spot?
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Lee Clare: It's one of the
main questions we ask our self
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at this site, so
why did they come?
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Now, the thing is, at this
time the communities were
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growing larger and larger
and there was more stress on
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the local resources
and because communities
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were growing, there was
obviously a risk of conflict.
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People have problems keeping
track of relationships,
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keeping track of networks.
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Morgan Freeman: The growing
population meant that people
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who scarcely knew each
other had to work together.
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That was a
recipe for conflict.
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[Grunting and thuds]
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The religious rituals at
göbekli tepe may have eased
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those conflicts.
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Possibly for the first
time in human history,
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people from different groups
came together around shared
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beliefs and, in those first
formative moments of religion,
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they may have shared stories
about where they all came from,
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stories that
celebrated a shared past
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and drove them
together to the future.
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Göbekli tepe traces the
birth of religious worship
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back more than 11,000 years,
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long before there
were muslims, christians,
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Jews, hindus, Buddhists.
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People came together
to talk, eat, worship.
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It could be that the
driving force behind our
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greatest achievement.
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Civilization, was god.
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But today, we no longer
share one story of creation.
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We live in a global society
made up of many different
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cultures and science
has given us a new
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perspective on creation.
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It even claims to know
the ultimate secret of
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our cosmic origins.
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Can science and
religion agree on creation?
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Morgan Freeman: The
story of our creation has
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puzzled me ever
since I was a boy.
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It began right here,
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in a church in
greenwood, Mississippi.
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♪ ♪
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♪ [congregation members
singing inaudibly] ♪
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♪ [congregation members
singing inaudibly] ♪
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Morgan Freeman: I was about
their age when it happened.
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I remember the
minister reading from the
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book of Genesis.
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Minister: There are
807,361 words in the Bible.
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It doesn't take
807,000 words for me
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to believe the Bible.
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It only takes ten words.
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"In the beginning,
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[congregation exclaiming].
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God created."
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Are y'all gonna be with me?
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"The heavens and the earth."
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Morgan Freeman: But for me,
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this beginning was
a profound puzzle.
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One moment there was
nothing, the next everything.
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You're looking good.
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Man: Trying to make it.
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Morgan Freeman: If god
created the universe,
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who was around
to create god?
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When I got older, i
heard scientists had found
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evidence of the big bang.
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According to that theory,
the entire universe burst out
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of a single point in an
instant of fiery creation;
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and now that science knows so
much about our cosmic origins,
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what place is there
for religious belief
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in the beginning?
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I want to know about the
islamic story of creation,
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so I'm going to Cairo...
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One of the largest
and oldest cities in the
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Muslim world.
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Islam has deep
roots in science.
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Muslim astronomers were
charting the heavens soon
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after the time of Mohammed.
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I hadn't noticed that before.
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What is it?
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Ahmed ragab: This is the
minaret of al-Hussein mosque.
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Morgan Freeman: Harvard
historian of islam Ahmed ragab
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is taking me to one of
Cairo's spiritual centers,
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the al-Hussein mosque.
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♪ [Imam singing in
foreign language]. ♪
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Ahmed ragab: So they start by
forming lines all facing mecca
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and the lines are all closed.
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You shouldn't have
any kind of gaps.
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Morgan Freeman: Space between?
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Ahmed ragab: Yeah.
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Morgan Freeman:
In other words,
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they just go toe to toe.
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Ahmed ragab: Mm-hmm.
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Morgan Freeman: Right, right.
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Muslims come here every
day to give thanks to god
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for all that he creates.
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And afterwards, some
head just around the corner
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to the two and a half century
old El fishawy coffee shop.
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Speak to me about the
islamic concept of creation.
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Ahmed ragab: In islam, the
beginning of the story starts
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with this massive
cloud of smoke,
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from which the heaven and
earth are pulled from inside
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the smoke and then the earth
after that gets formed into
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what it looks like before
the beings are created.
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Morgan Freeman: Interestingly,
that is very, cosmic.
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Ahmed ragab: Right.
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Morgan Freeman: You think
right away about the clouds of
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dust in the cosmos
that formed worlds.
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Ahmed ragab: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm,
so this ideas about these
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massive clouds and things
coming out of them is actually
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very powerful in a lot of
mythological traditions around
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the world and it is
part of this islamic
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narrative of creation.
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Morgan Freeman: In islam,
the moment of creation exists
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alongside the scientific
view of earth's formation.
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The same is true
for traditions much
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older than islam.
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Aboriginal people have
lived in central Australia
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for tens of
thousands of years.
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They've told the story of
this land's creation for as
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long as anyone
can remember.
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Duane hamacher:
Oh, this is beautiful.
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Warren Williams: My
grandfather's family have been
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caretakers for this
place and now it's gotten
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passed down to me.
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Morgan Freeman: Warren
Williams and the arrernte
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people call this place home.
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Duane hamacher:
This place is so big,
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you'd have to
see it from space.
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You could probably see
it on satellite image.
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Warren Williams: Well, yeah.
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Morgan Freeman: Cultural
astronomer Duane hamacher
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tries to connect
aboriginal creation stories
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to modern science.
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So Warren is taking him
to where his ancestors say
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it all began,
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a bowl shaped
basin called tnorala.
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It's traditional for
the arrernte to tell their
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creation story at night,
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when they can
see their creators,
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the sky guards.
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Warren Williams:
This sky tonight,
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it's gonna be
really good tonight.
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Duane hamacher: Oh,
they're all coming out now.
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Warren Williams: Wow.
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Morgan Freeman: The story
takes place in an era called
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the dreaming, when the sky
guards lived in the milky way.
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Warren Williams: The
dreaming is a period of
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creation when
everything was beginning,
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when the ladies were
dancing at a ceremony and
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one of them had
a little baby in her arms.
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So she put the
baby in a Turner,
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like a, it's a
wooden cradle, but all
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that dancing
started vibrating,
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shaking the milky way
and the Turner fell out,
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and it fell to earth
and created the crater
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that we see now.
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Duane hamacher:
That's fascinating because,
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according to scientists,
it was an asteroid or a
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comet that hit the
ground and what it did,
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you know, a
massive explosion,
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created this big
meteorite crater.
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Morgan Freeman: Duane wants
to know more about the Turner,
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or cradle, that Warren
and his ancestors see as the
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cause of their creation.
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Warren Williams:
This one here.
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Duane hamacher: So you can
see the milky way quite clearly
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and that looks like that
Turner from the front falling
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out of the milky way.
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Warren Williams: Yeah.
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Duane hamacher: In
western astronomy,
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we call that corona australis.
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That constellation
means the Southern crown.
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But you're right, it looks
exactly like a Turner falling
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out the milky way.
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Warren Williams: It looks
like an upturned cradle.
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Morgan Freeman: At daybreak,
Duane asks Warren to show him
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exactly where the
star baby landed.
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Duane hamacher: Goes
right through here?
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Warren Williams: Yeah.
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Duane hamacher: Check it out.
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Morgan Freeman: It's right
in the center of the meteor
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impact crater geologists
called gosses bluff.
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Duane hamacher: So this is it?
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Warren Williams: Yeah,
this is where it began.
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Well, the rocks fell down here
to the ground and formed this
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and the first
man got created,
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the first woman
got created and, like,
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now I'm here
because of them.
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It started here, just
fell from the sky at night,
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made all this.
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Duane hamacher: Science has
never really considered some
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of these old creation
stories to have any validity,
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and what we're finding out
is that the creation story
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from the aboriginal
perspective and from the
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scientific perspective,
here at tnorala,
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Warren Williams: Mmm.
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Duane hamacher: Are identical,
they're exactly the same.
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Morgan Freeman:
For the arrernte,
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life began here and
tradition requires a greeting
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to the ancestors whenever
you enter this sacred space.
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Warren Williams: Hey!
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[Foreign dialog].
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Morgan Freeman: Science
can live side by side with
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aboriginal and islamic
accounts of our origins,
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now I'm curious
about science and the
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judeo-Christian
creation story.
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So I've come to Rome, where
Michelangelo's breathtaking
491
00:26:48,700 --> 00:26:53,932
sistine chapel ceiling
depicts the book of Genesis.
492
00:26:53,933 --> 00:26:58,600
In six days, god
creates light,
493
00:26:58,900 --> 00:27:03,800
makes the sun and the
moon and creates man.
494
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,999
I've come to speak with
the pope's chief science
495
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:19,267
representative, monsignor
Marcelo Sanchez sorondo.
496
00:27:19,667 --> 00:27:23,099
Now, you are the
chancellor of the pontifical
497
00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:24,466
academy of sciences.
498
00:27:24,467 --> 00:27:26,366
Monsignor sorondo: Exactly.
499
00:27:26,367 --> 00:27:28,832
Morgan Freeman: When did
that get started and why?
500
00:27:28,833 --> 00:27:30,999
Monsignor sorondo: In 1603.
501
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,032
Morgan Freeman: 1603?
502
00:27:33,033 --> 00:27:35,032
Monsignor sorondo:
And three, yes,
503
00:27:35,033 --> 00:27:41,266
and the leader of the first
generation was Galileo and the
504
00:27:41,267 --> 00:27:47,666
idea is to have a new
academy to develop the
505
00:27:47,667 --> 00:27:49,965
scientific reason of things.
506
00:27:49,966 --> 00:27:52,599
Morgan Freeman: So we have
the two different approaches
507
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,432
to the idea of creation.
508
00:27:55,433 --> 00:27:59,832
There is Genesis and
then as the big bang.
509
00:27:59,833 --> 00:28:03,932
Monsignor sorondo: The big
bang is not creation exactly
510
00:28:03,933 --> 00:28:09,534
because we don't know what
was before the big bang.
511
00:28:10,667 --> 00:28:13,332
Morgan Freeman:
My question exactly.
512
00:28:13,333 --> 00:28:15,299
Monsignor sorondo:
And for this reason,
513
00:28:15,300 --> 00:28:20,132
creation is nothing
to do with the big bang.
514
00:28:20,133 --> 00:28:26,666
The other thing is the
idea of the Bible is not a
515
00:28:26,667 --> 00:28:29,266
scientific idea of creation.
516
00:28:29,267 --> 00:28:30,699
Morgan Freeman:
In other words,
517
00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:32,232
science can't prove
it or disprove it.
518
00:28:32,233 --> 00:28:34,299
Monsignor sorondo: Exactly.
519
00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:36,533
We say in the Bible is
the idea of creation,
520
00:28:36,534 --> 00:28:39,399
but in the geological
sense of creation,
521
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,332
not the scientific...
522
00:28:41,333 --> 00:28:43,032
Morgan Freeman:
Not in scientific.
523
00:28:43,033 --> 00:28:44,733
Monsignor sorondo:
Sense of creation.
524
00:28:44,734 --> 00:28:46,766
Morgan Freeman:
Thank you, thank you, indeed.
525
00:28:46,767 --> 00:28:49,432
The catholic church no longer
sees the book of Genesis
526
00:28:49,433 --> 00:28:51,533
as the literal
description of creation.
527
00:28:51,534 --> 00:28:54,366
In fact, the first scientist
to propose the big bang,
528
00:28:54,367 --> 00:28:57,399
George lemaître, was a
priest and a member of the
529
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,700
pontifical academy
of science.
530
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:08,132
So how exactly does belief in
god fit into modern cosmology?
531
00:29:08,133 --> 00:29:12,332
So this incredibly
high vaulted ceiling,
532
00:29:12,333 --> 00:29:14,666
it's just like
reaching for heaven.
533
00:29:14,667 --> 00:29:17,499
Father tanzella-nitti:
Yes, in a certain sense.
534
00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:21,032
This is a
representation of heaven.
535
00:29:21,033 --> 00:29:22,799
Morgan Freeman: Oh!
536
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,199
Father tanzella-nitti:
Of a theological heaven.
537
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,766
Morgan Freeman: I'm meeting with
father giuseppe tanzella-nitti,
538
00:29:27,767 --> 00:29:30,666
a scientist at the
Vatican observatory.
539
00:29:30,667 --> 00:29:33,065
I'm very, very
fascinated by you.
540
00:29:33,066 --> 00:29:38,266
You are an astronomer
and you are a holy man.
541
00:29:38,267 --> 00:29:42,166
Father tanzella-nitti: Yes,
my field of study was radio
542
00:29:42,167 --> 00:29:47,899
galaxies, quasars, extra
galactic objects and it was
543
00:29:47,900 --> 00:29:49,766
another kind of heaven.
544
00:29:49,767 --> 00:29:55,567
I remember that, when we
take a galaxy spectra,
545
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,965
I used to pray during the
waiting for the spectra and to
546
00:30:00,966 --> 00:30:04,099
say, "god, I thank you
for this marvelous universe
547
00:30:04,100 --> 00:30:07,166
that you gave us."
548
00:30:07,167 --> 00:30:10,366
Morgan Freeman: There must
have come at some point a
549
00:30:10,367 --> 00:30:16,199
question for you about
the nature of creation.
550
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:21,633
We think that there's,
like, a big schism between the
551
00:30:21,634 --> 00:30:25,633
biblical sense of creation
and the other one is the
552
00:30:25,634 --> 00:30:29,533
scientific sense, the big bang,
and it's all very different.
553
00:30:29,534 --> 00:30:32,132
Father tanzella-nitti:
Creation from a theological
554
00:30:32,133 --> 00:30:36,299
point of view is perfectly
compatible with the big bang,
555
00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:39,399
because you need
always a first cause.
556
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:44,166
God the creator is
outside space time.
557
00:30:44,167 --> 00:30:48,599
It's before any time, so
the act of creation is an
558
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,865
everlasting act because
creation is the way in which
559
00:30:52,866 --> 00:30:57,065
god continuously
holds the universe.
560
00:30:57,066 --> 00:30:59,566
Morgan Freeman: For
giuseppe and others like him,
561
00:30:59,567 --> 00:31:03,332
cosmology not only allows
room for divine creation,
562
00:31:03,333 --> 00:31:07,166
it offers new ways to
understand god as the master
563
00:31:07,167 --> 00:31:11,100
of space and time.
564
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,599
I like what father giuseppe
565
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,266
says about creation
as a continuum,
566
00:31:22,267 --> 00:31:27,832
that it didn't begin
and end with the big bang,
567
00:31:27,833 --> 00:31:31,999
that it is god's
ongoing activity which
568
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,666
includes evolution.
569
00:31:34,667 --> 00:31:36,899
Think what he was
saying is god does not
570
00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:39,032
exist outside
space and time.
571
00:31:39,033 --> 00:31:43,833
God is space and time.
572
00:31:44,267 --> 00:31:48,199
The idea that creation is
ongoing sounds like a new one,
573
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,066
but it's not.
574
00:31:52,367 --> 00:31:55,366
In the depths of the
Guatemalan rainforest,
575
00:31:55,367 --> 00:31:58,899
lost cities reveal
the endless creations of
576
00:31:58,900 --> 00:32:01,933
the ancient Maya.
577
00:32:08,467 --> 00:32:10,399
Morgan Freeman: What if
there was not one moment
578
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,132
of creation, but many?
579
00:32:14,133 --> 00:32:16,566
I'm heading out to
explore the remains of the
580
00:32:16,567 --> 00:32:19,032
ancient Mayan empire...
581
00:32:19,033 --> 00:32:20,566
Richard Hansen: There's
a little swampy grounds
582
00:32:20,567 --> 00:32:22,399
where we're going.
583
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,499
Morgan Freeman: Where a
new discovery sheds light
584
00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:28,033
on their Genesis story.
585
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,733
Few roads cut through the
dense jungle of northern
586
00:32:37,734 --> 00:32:41,165
guateala today, but
archaeologist Richard Hansen
587
00:32:41,166 --> 00:32:44,466
tells me that 2,000 years
ago this was one of the
588
00:32:44,467 --> 00:32:46,933
great cities of the world.
589
00:32:46,934 --> 00:32:48,999
Richard Hansen: We like
to think of Los Angeles and
590
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,933
New York as
being a modern city,
591
00:32:50,934 --> 00:32:53,032
but these guys had the same
perspective of their own cities.
592
00:32:53,033 --> 00:32:54,799
Morgan Freeman: Right.
593
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,165
They had water
delivery systems,
594
00:32:56,166 --> 00:32:57,466
they had freeways...
595
00:32:57,467 --> 00:32:59,566
Richard Hansen: Oh yeah,
very first freeway system
596
00:32:59,567 --> 00:33:02,233
in the world.
597
00:33:03,133 --> 00:33:07,265
Welcome to El mirador.
598
00:33:07,266 --> 00:33:09,466
This pyramid is one of the
largest structures in the
599
00:33:09,467 --> 00:33:11,632
world in terms of volume.
600
00:33:11,633 --> 00:33:15,767
It's more than a half
a mile long at the base.
601
00:33:22,934 --> 00:33:25,299
Morgan Freeman: At a
site called El mirador,
602
00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:27,699
Richard found the remains
of an ancient city the Maya
603
00:33:27,700 --> 00:33:31,666
knew as the snake kingdom.
604
00:33:31,667 --> 00:33:33,999
It's such a rich
archaeological site,
605
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,265
he set up a permanent camp
in the jungle to explore it.
606
00:33:38,266 --> 00:33:39,999
Richard Hansen:
This is the laboratory.
607
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,332
This is our doctor.
608
00:33:41,333 --> 00:33:42,733
If you ever
get in a problem,
609
00:33:42,734 --> 00:33:43,933
he can fix
you right there.
610
00:33:43,934 --> 00:33:45,232
Morgan Freeman: Really?
611
00:33:45,233 --> 00:33:46,566
Richard Hansen: He's
an outstanding doctor.
612
00:33:46,567 --> 00:33:48,699
Morgan Freeman:
I got this.
613
00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:50,099
[Foreign dialogue].
614
00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:51,366
Miguel: Miguel.
615
00:33:51,367 --> 00:33:52,466
Morgan Freeman: Miguel?
616
00:33:52,467 --> 00:33:53,566
Morgan.
617
00:33:53,567 --> 00:33:55,032
Miguel: Morgan Freeman, si.
618
00:33:55,033 --> 00:33:56,366
Man: Nice to meet you.
619
00:33:56,367 --> 00:33:58,733
Morgan Freeman: Yeah, it
was nice to meet me, wasn't it?
620
00:33:58,734 --> 00:34:01,300
Man: It was, it was
very nice to meet you.
621
00:34:03,867 --> 00:34:05,899
[Foreign dialogue].
622
00:34:05,900 --> 00:34:07,299
Morgan Freeman: Set?
623
00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:10,499
Richard Hansen:
Ok, let's do it.
624
00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:12,132
Morgan Freeman: Richard is
taking me to see something
625
00:34:12,133 --> 00:34:16,532
he's only just uncovered.
626
00:34:16,533 --> 00:34:19,165
Richard Hansen: Ok, this is
one of the most interesting
627
00:34:19,166 --> 00:34:21,032
excavations we have
right now.
628
00:34:21,033 --> 00:34:23,599
Morgan Freeman:
Oh my goodness!
629
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,099
Richard Hansen: This is
art that was carved in stucco
630
00:34:26,100 --> 00:34:30,265
hundreds of years before
Christ and it has incredible
631
00:34:30,266 --> 00:34:32,199
scenes showing the
entire pantheon of
632
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,299
the Mayan religion.
633
00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:36,532
Morgan Freeman: So what
we're talking about is,
634
00:34:36,533 --> 00:34:39,799
this is the actual
story of creation here.
635
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,599
This is the Mayan Bible.
636
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,299
Richard Hansen: This is the
Maya Genesis story with all
637
00:34:44,300 --> 00:34:46,566
the deities that are
needed to tell the story.
638
00:34:46,567 --> 00:34:49,432
Morgan Freeman: Yeah,
this is unbelievable.
639
00:34:49,433 --> 00:34:53,065
I mean, if you just think
about the fact that it wasn't
640
00:34:53,066 --> 00:34:56,499
done in the 15th
century or the 16th century.
641
00:34:56,500 --> 00:35:01,432
It was done 2,000
years ago at least.
642
00:35:01,433 --> 00:35:04,332
This is the oldest version
of the Maya's sacred story of
643
00:35:04,333 --> 00:35:07,299
creation that's
ever been found.
644
00:35:07,300 --> 00:35:12,033
The focus is on two swimmers
carrying a severed head.
645
00:35:12,367 --> 00:35:14,499
Richard Hansen: It's this
head right here that gave us
646
00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:16,899
the clue who this might
be at the first place.
647
00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:19,199
We think this is hunahpu.
648
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,866
This is father of the
hero twins that serves
649
00:35:21,867 --> 00:35:25,000
the whole
process of creation.
650
00:35:34,033 --> 00:35:36,299
Priestess: Gracias a hau.
651
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:41,300
Gracias al corazon del cielo.
652
00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:44,866
Gracias al corazon
de la tierra,
653
00:35:44,867 --> 00:35:47,332
gracias al
corazon del agua.
654
00:35:47,333 --> 00:35:49,666
Morgan Freeman: Fragments
of this creation story
655
00:35:49,667 --> 00:35:52,599
survive even to this day
in a religious ritual in
656
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,933
which I am privileged
to take part.
657
00:35:55,934 --> 00:36:00,266
Ritual leader: Gracias,
al corazon de fuego.
658
00:36:03,867 --> 00:36:06,432
Morgan Freeman: The ritual
recalls the saga of the corn
659
00:36:06,433 --> 00:36:09,599
god being tricked into
going down to the underworld,
660
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,867
where he's decapitated.
661
00:36:13,300 --> 00:36:16,232
His sons, known
as the hero twins,
662
00:36:16,233 --> 00:36:19,766
set off to rescue him
but they can only get to
663
00:36:19,767 --> 00:36:23,699
the underworld by
being burned to ash.
664
00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:28,000
Richard Hansen: The ash
represents the hero twins.
665
00:36:28,467 --> 00:36:30,999
She'll mix up the corn
with the ashes and that goes
666
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:36,099
into the water.
667
00:36:36,100 --> 00:36:38,532
Morgan Freeman: As
their ash sinks into the
668
00:36:38,533 --> 00:36:44,433
subterranean waters,
the hero twins regenerate.
669
00:36:46,166 --> 00:36:50,099
They return to earth
with the corn god's head and
670
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:53,900
plant him in the ground.
671
00:36:57,767 --> 00:37:01,132
It is from this
corn that the first Maya
672
00:37:01,133 --> 00:37:03,799
people are made.
673
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,332
Richard Hansen: Now the
hero twins are in the river,
674
00:37:07,333 --> 00:37:11,399
so this is what they're gonna
be serving and passing around.
675
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,933
In a sense, we all become
a part of the hero twins'
676
00:37:13,934 --> 00:37:18,200
story by doing this.
677
00:37:28,266 --> 00:37:34,600
♪ ♪
678
00:37:40,967 --> 00:37:43,699
Morgan Freeman: We don't
perform rituals to celebrate
679
00:37:43,700 --> 00:37:46,532
Adam and Eve, but the
hero twins were crucial
680
00:37:46,533 --> 00:37:48,632
to Mayan culture.
681
00:37:48,633 --> 00:37:51,733
Their story of death and
rebirth was tied to the growth
682
00:37:51,734 --> 00:37:55,632
of their staple crop,
corn, an act of creation that
683
00:37:55,633 --> 00:37:59,867
the Maya depended
on every year.
684
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,532
And, Richard tells me,
their architecture also
685
00:38:07,533 --> 00:38:09,666
focused on creation.
686
00:38:09,667 --> 00:38:13,399
It mirrored a source of
power they saw in the heavens.
687
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,065
To show me how, he
takes me 40 miles away to
688
00:38:17,066 --> 00:38:21,233
the ruins of
the city of tikal.
689
00:38:29,533 --> 00:38:33,032
♪ ♪
690
00:38:33,033 --> 00:38:36,999
The temples here are
arranged in groups of three,
691
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,265
a triad.
692
00:38:40,266 --> 00:38:44,666
So Richard, now, I can
sense here that there is
693
00:38:44,667 --> 00:38:47,566
a pattern, but
something's missing.
694
00:38:47,567 --> 00:38:49,099
What am I missing?
695
00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:50,632
Richard Hansen:
Well, there is a pattern,
696
00:38:50,633 --> 00:38:52,966
Morgan, this is a
definite pattern here and
697
00:38:52,967 --> 00:38:54,733
it's consistent through
centuries of time.
698
00:38:54,734 --> 00:38:56,666
There's one big
building over here with
699
00:38:56,667 --> 00:38:58,399
the stairway facing inward,
700
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,366
another building over
here with the stairway
701
00:39:00,367 --> 00:39:01,699
facing inward.
702
00:39:01,700 --> 00:39:03,132
Morgan Freeman: Ok, and
a third one, what, what?
703
00:39:03,133 --> 00:39:05,799
Richard Hansen: The third
one was right in front of us.
704
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,532
Morgan Freeman: Oh.
705
00:39:07,533 --> 00:39:09,432
Richard Hansen:
There's the third structure.
706
00:39:09,433 --> 00:39:11,199
It's been dismantled,
of course, it's gone now,
707
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,265
but the big building
was right in front of us,
708
00:39:13,266 --> 00:39:15,733
it was as high or higher,
709
00:39:15,734 --> 00:39:18,632
which was built to make
the triad, three stones.
710
00:39:18,633 --> 00:39:20,833
Morgan Freeman: Richard
and other experts believe
711
00:39:20,834 --> 00:39:23,699
that this arrangement of
stone temples is a deliberate
712
00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:28,032
echo of a triangle of stars
in the constellation Orion.
713
00:39:28,033 --> 00:39:31,032
At the center of the
three stars is a fiery nebula,
714
00:39:31,033 --> 00:39:34,532
a cosmic cloud
of star creation.
715
00:39:34,533 --> 00:39:36,899
Richard Hansen: We know
from contemporary Maya that
716
00:39:36,900 --> 00:39:38,599
there is a celestial heart.
717
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,232
The inside of...
718
00:39:40,233 --> 00:39:41,899
Morgan Freeman: A celestial...
719
00:39:41,900 --> 00:39:44,099
Richard Hansen: Orion, it's
in the constellation of Orion.
720
00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:46,366
Morgan Freeman: Even today,
when the Maya light a
721
00:39:46,367 --> 00:39:49,299
traditional fire, they begin
by flagging three stones.
722
00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:52,432
A fire of creation
emanates from their center,
723
00:39:52,433 --> 00:39:56,733
just as it does with the
triad of stars in Orion.
724
00:39:56,734 --> 00:40:02,899
You're telling me that
the Mayans got this triad,
725
00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:05,799
this manifestation
of creation,
726
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,199
from the constellation Orion?
727
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,966
Richard Hansen: It
looks like this is what they
728
00:40:09,967 --> 00:40:11,432
were looking at.
729
00:40:11,433 --> 00:40:14,766
We know that they were very
aware of three primary stars,
730
00:40:14,767 --> 00:40:17,599
so the Maya were able to
replicate that pattern with
731
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,332
these three stones in
these three structures and
732
00:40:20,333 --> 00:40:23,666
that is replicated over
and over and over again.
733
00:40:23,667 --> 00:40:26,032
They're tying us
to the heavens.
734
00:40:26,033 --> 00:40:30,734
They're letting us see
the creation symbolically.
735
00:40:36,166 --> 00:40:38,299
Morgan Freeman:
Looking around here,
736
00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:41,766
I'm struck by the scale
of what the Maya created.
737
00:40:41,767 --> 00:40:46,099
Huge cities,
colossal pyramids.
738
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:49,933
It was a civilization
whose religion was focused on
739
00:40:49,934 --> 00:40:54,699
creation and the continued
regeneration of creation.
740
00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:58,299
And yet it all crumbled.
741
00:40:58,300 --> 00:41:03,100
Everything the Maya
created, collapsed.
742
00:41:10,967 --> 00:41:14,699
It strikes me that we don't
spend enough time celebrating
743
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:19,265
the paths our
ancestors trod to get here,
744
00:41:19,266 --> 00:41:24,834
or giving thanks for the
forces that sustain our lives.
745
00:41:25,767 --> 00:41:29,532
But there is one culture
that gives thanks for its
746
00:41:29,533 --> 00:41:35,300
creation every day and I'm
in varanasi, India to see it.
747
00:41:45,066 --> 00:41:49,899
India is home to
a billion hindus,
748
00:41:49,900 --> 00:41:53,432
the third largest
faith in the world.
749
00:41:53,433 --> 00:41:57,699
It has many gods and
many creation stories.
750
00:41:57,700 --> 00:42:00,432
One of the best known
centers around the river
751
00:42:00,433 --> 00:42:02,265
that gives them life...
752
00:42:02,266 --> 00:42:06,300
The Ganges or ganga.
753
00:42:08,934 --> 00:42:12,532
Benda paranjape: Morgan,
now we are at the river ganga.
754
00:42:12,533 --> 00:42:13,899
Morgan Freeman: Ganga.
755
00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:16,466
Benda paranjape: Ganga,
the holiest of the holy rivers
756
00:42:16,467 --> 00:42:19,165
and the center
of hindu universe.
757
00:42:19,166 --> 00:42:22,366
It only exists because
it is the sacred, the pure,
758
00:42:22,367 --> 00:42:24,432
the holy from the heaven.
759
00:42:24,433 --> 00:42:26,466
Morgan Freeman: It
only exists because...
760
00:42:26,467 --> 00:42:27,833
Benda paranjape: You believe.
761
00:42:27,834 --> 00:42:28,899
Morgan Freeman:
You believe it's true.
762
00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:30,332
Benda paranjape: Yes.
763
00:42:30,333 --> 00:42:31,632
Morgan Freeman:
Ah, ok, love that.
764
00:42:31,633 --> 00:42:34,065
I love that.
765
00:42:34,066 --> 00:42:38,833
Historian benda paranjape
takes me to a shrine to ganga.
766
00:42:38,834 --> 00:42:40,232
Benda paranjape: Careful.
767
00:42:40,233 --> 00:42:43,032
Morgan Freeman: Yes,
ganga's not only a river,
768
00:42:43,033 --> 00:42:44,866
but a goddess.
769
00:42:44,867 --> 00:42:47,032
Benda paranjape: So the
idea is that you bow down even
770
00:42:47,033 --> 00:42:49,432
before you enter the shrine,
771
00:42:49,433 --> 00:42:51,399
but not for a
short person like me.
772
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,065
Morgan Freeman: Ah!
773
00:42:53,066 --> 00:42:54,799
[Laughs].
774
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,899
Benda paranjape: And
then you'll come to a place
775
00:42:56,900 --> 00:43:00,466
where you see mother ganga.
776
00:43:00,467 --> 00:43:01,733
Morgan Freeman:
What's she holding in her
777
00:43:01,734 --> 00:43:03,299
upper left hand?
778
00:43:03,300 --> 00:43:04,966
Benda paranjape:
She's holding a lotus.
779
00:43:04,967 --> 00:43:06,265
That is supposed to be a...
780
00:43:06,266 --> 00:43:07,933
Morgan Freeman: A lotus?
781
00:43:07,934 --> 00:43:09,432
Benda paranjape:
A mark of purity,
782
00:43:09,433 --> 00:43:10,933
Morgan Freeman: Right.
783
00:43:10,934 --> 00:43:13,299
Benda paranjape: Because
lotus emerges out of mud,
784
00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:17,266
but it does not take
any stains of mud.
785
00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:19,399
Morgan Freeman:
In the beginning,
786
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,165
hindus believe ganga
flowed in the heavens,
787
00:43:22,166 --> 00:43:26,333
but she was held captive
by the creator god brahma.
788
00:43:26,867 --> 00:43:31,499
Then brahma decided to send
the river ganga down to earth.
789
00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:33,332
Benda paranjape: But
there is one problem,
790
00:43:33,333 --> 00:43:36,366
that ganga has got such
mighty force and if she
791
00:43:36,367 --> 00:43:39,299
comes in the earth,
the earth will drown.
792
00:43:39,300 --> 00:43:43,132
Morgan Freeman:
So the god Shiva,
793
00:43:43,133 --> 00:43:47,165
blocked ganga's fall,
gathering her waters in
794
00:43:47,166 --> 00:43:49,199
the locks of his hair.
795
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,632
Benda paranjape: So Shiva
just opened one lock of
796
00:43:51,633 --> 00:43:56,800
his hair and the ganga flow.
797
00:43:58,133 --> 00:44:01,866
She's the mother because
she gives birth to everything.
798
00:44:01,867 --> 00:44:06,299
Morgan Freeman: This holy
river came from the river in
799
00:44:06,300 --> 00:44:08,265
heaven that we
call the milky way.
800
00:44:08,266 --> 00:44:10,632
Benda paranjape: They say
that milky way actually is a
801
00:44:10,633 --> 00:44:13,466
reflection that you
see in those waters which
802
00:44:13,467 --> 00:44:17,132
are still beyond.
803
00:44:17,133 --> 00:44:20,933
Morgan Freeman: Scientists
have dated the universe to
804
00:44:20,934 --> 00:44:27,132
about 14 billion years,
best we can figure.
805
00:44:27,133 --> 00:44:31,133
Hindus have it at what?
806
00:44:31,433 --> 00:44:34,466
Benda paranjape: Hindus do
not believe in one creation.
807
00:44:34,467 --> 00:44:36,766
They say that these
are cycles of creation,
808
00:44:36,767 --> 00:44:38,532
Morgan Freeman: Ok.
809
00:44:38,533 --> 00:44:40,666
Benda paranjape: And the
primordial creation could be
810
00:44:40,667 --> 00:44:42,766
something like
8.6 billion years old.
811
00:44:42,767 --> 00:44:45,099
Actually, this whole creation,
812
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:48,265
it is very difficult
to comprehend because we
813
00:44:48,266 --> 00:44:50,899
say that gods like brahma
has created the universe,
814
00:44:50,900 --> 00:44:52,399
but then they ask
a question,
815
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:53,999
"who created brahma?"
816
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,165
Morgan Freeman: Right.
817
00:44:55,166 --> 00:44:56,699
Benda paranjape: And then...
818
00:44:56,700 --> 00:44:58,232
Morgan Freeman: That's
always the question, though.
819
00:44:58,233 --> 00:45:00,999
Creation happened and
then the gods happened.
820
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,332
Benda paranjape:
They say that the sages,
821
00:45:03,333 --> 00:45:04,799
when they were
in their trance,
822
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,799
they got that revelation,
that how the creation happened.
823
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:13,132
But since it isn't that
level of consciousness,
824
00:45:13,133 --> 00:45:16,165
you and me, we commoners
will not understand it,
825
00:45:16,166 --> 00:45:19,867
so we believe
that it's beyond us.
826
00:45:20,934 --> 00:45:23,199
Morgan Freeman: The hindu
philosophy is not to try to
827
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,199
solve the riddle of creation
that happened long ago.
828
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,566
It's to give thanks
every day for the forces
829
00:45:29,567 --> 00:45:33,999
that allow us to be here
and continue to sustain us,
830
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,733
including the river Ganges.
831
00:45:37,734 --> 00:45:40,332
Benda paranjape: You
can come a little close.
832
00:45:40,333 --> 00:45:42,432
We are going to
see the ritual,
833
00:45:42,433 --> 00:45:44,065
which they call it aarti.
834
00:45:44,066 --> 00:45:45,532
Morgan Freeman: Aarti?
835
00:45:45,533 --> 00:45:47,566
Benda paranjape: Yeah,
it means showing the lamb
836
00:45:47,567 --> 00:45:50,566
to the god.
837
00:45:50,567 --> 00:45:52,466
Morgan Freeman: The
aarti has taken place on the
838
00:45:52,467 --> 00:45:54,532
banks of the holy
river every night for
839
00:45:54,533 --> 00:45:58,467
hundreds of years.
840
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,065
Benda paranjape:
The prayer is that
841
00:46:10,066 --> 00:46:13,432
'god, you are like my father,
you are like my mother, '
842
00:46:13,433 --> 00:46:15,032
Morgan Freeman: My mother.
843
00:46:15,033 --> 00:46:16,999
Benda paranjape: 'My
whole existence is you.'
844
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,999
Morgan Freeman: My
whole existence is you.
845
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,499
Benda paranjape: You.
846
00:46:20,500 --> 00:46:22,165
I'm just like a shadow.
847
00:46:22,166 --> 00:46:23,833
Morgan Freeman: I am a vessel.
848
00:46:23,834 --> 00:46:25,466
Benda paranjape:
That contains you.
849
00:46:25,467 --> 00:46:28,299
That's wonderful.
850
00:46:28,300 --> 00:46:30,566
Morgan Freeman:
Seven priests offer
851
00:46:30,567 --> 00:46:32,799
all the
elements to ganga...
852
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:38,766
Water, air, earth in
the form of flowers,
853
00:46:38,767 --> 00:46:42,366
and the most
important of all, light,
854
00:46:42,367 --> 00:46:45,767
which represents our souls.
855
00:46:55,533 --> 00:47:01,533
♪ ♪
856
00:47:03,967 --> 00:47:06,999
As the ceremony closes,
people gather at the water's
857
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,799
edge to place the
light of their own souls
858
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,699
in a tiny vessel.
859
00:47:12,700 --> 00:47:14,733
Benda paranjape: This
is our individual way of
860
00:47:14,734 --> 00:47:18,199
offering ourselves to
the river and, uh, candles
861
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,199
that take our
soul to the river.
862
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,632
Morgan Freeman: It's
the light of my soul.
863
00:47:22,633 --> 00:47:25,432
Benda paranjape: My soul
and it says that you take it
864
00:47:25,433 --> 00:47:30,600
wherever you
think it good for me.
865
00:47:40,767 --> 00:47:44,099
♪ ♪
866
00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:46,099
Morgan Freeman: The
hindu version of creation
867
00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:47,599
appeals to me.
868
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,099
It says the gods
weren't even around at
869
00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:52,566
the original creation.
870
00:47:52,567 --> 00:47:56,933
They have this great
saying from the rigveda
871
00:47:56,934 --> 00:47:59,866
about the beginning.
872
00:47:59,867 --> 00:48:04,533
There was neither
non-existence nor existence.
873
00:48:06,967 --> 00:48:10,999
It's saying the idea is
beyond human definition,
874
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,599
beyond human intellect.
875
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,633
Just, accept it.
876
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,066
[Explosion]
877
00:48:21,367 --> 00:48:23,966
Where did we come from?
878
00:48:23,967 --> 00:48:27,566
A man and a woman
banished from paradise,
879
00:48:27,567 --> 00:48:30,300
who began to work the land?
880
00:48:31,867 --> 00:48:34,499
Hero twins planting
the corn they need to
881
00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:37,532
start a civilization?
882
00:48:37,533 --> 00:48:41,666
A great river that gives
life to an entire people?
883
00:48:41,667 --> 00:48:44,733
These ideas about
where we came from are
884
00:48:44,734 --> 00:48:47,899
the oldest stories we have.
885
00:48:47,900 --> 00:48:50,466
They are shared words
and distant memories that
886
00:48:50,467 --> 00:48:53,867
form the glue of
our civilization.
887
00:48:54,066 --> 00:48:57,366
We don't all share the
same creation story.
888
00:48:57,367 --> 00:49:00,632
We all come from
different places,
889
00:49:00,633 --> 00:49:04,199
but all of us,
whatever we believe,
890
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,499
can share in one thing,
891
00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:12,433
the wonder and gratitude
that we are here at all.
892
00:49:20,834 --> 00:49:25,232
It is my fervent hope
that people will open their
893
00:49:25,233 --> 00:49:29,799
hearts and
minds and see that,
894
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:34,165
our beliefs don't
have to divide us.
895
00:49:34,166 --> 00:49:38,299
They have the
power to unite us,
896
00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:42,499
to allow us together to
achieve remarkable things.
897
00:49:42,500 --> 00:49:47,834
As it was in the beginning,
is now and ever shall be,
898
00:49:49,367 --> 00:49:53,367
world without end.
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