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Every morning starts the same.
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Coffee and crossword.
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And every day things
seem to get worse.
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Religious conflict.
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Climate change.
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It all seems so apocalyptic.
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None of this is new, however.
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We've been predicting
the end of the world for
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thousands of years.
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From Nostradamus
all the way back to the
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book of revelation.
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Something about the drama of
annihilation seems to grip us.
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Is it just human nature
to worry and wonder about
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the end of days?
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Or is it really coming?
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I'm setting off on a
journey to find out why
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so many religions
predict an apocalypse.
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This beast has a human name,
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it's number is...
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666.
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To discover
the roots of judgment day.
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The suns
of light shall battle the
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suns of darkness.
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Our ancient prophecies...
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There's no peace
between us and our neighbors.
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Reverberate today.
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If these
guys ever came to power,
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it would be hell on earth.
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And to
ask whether the end is really
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what we imagine...
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Or if it's all
just in our minds.
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My first destination
is Jerusalem.
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The spiritual set of the
Jews, christians and muslims.
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All three of those
fates predicted Jerusalem
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will play a role in
the end of the world.
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It has long been a flash
point for religious tensions.
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I've come here to
meet yoram Hazony,
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an expert in the politics
and theology of judaism.
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I want to know why the
end of days is so closely
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tied to this city.
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You're looking at the absolute
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epicenter of the
monotheistic world.
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Right over there,
that's the dome of the rock,
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which according to
islamic tradition,
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Muhammad descended to
heaven from right that spot,
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and over there, the...
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of the mount of
olives and gethsemane
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below where Jesus and his
disciples used to meet,
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and of course down here
is the western wall plaza,
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the holiest shrine,
prayer location for all of
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the Jewish people in judaism.
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This whole area
is called the Temple Mount.
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This is the Temple Mount?
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The temple was
a building seven stories high,
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stood on top of
this Temple Mount,
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on top of that flat area
where those trees are.
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In 20bc, king herod the great,
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build a temple where Jews
could worship their god.
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It was designed to last forever.
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Herod says
we're going to create the most
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spectacular physical structure
in the entire middle east,
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maybe in the entire world.
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You can see these
gigantic stones at the bottom,
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those are called
herodian stones.
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The Jewish temple to the one
god stood on top of that mount
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before there was
islamic christianity.
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But, in the year 70ad,
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the Romans sacked Jerusalem
and demolished the temple.
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In the centuries since,
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Jews have come to
pray at it's remains,
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the western or wailing wall.
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It was almost 1900 years
before the site returned to
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direct Jewish control in 1967.
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We are about 70 years
into the new Israel,
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why hasn't the
temple been rebuilt?
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Two reasons.
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One is cause the Jews
aren't ready and the other
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is cause the
muslims aren't ready.
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The state of Israel militarily,
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politically
controls this whole area,
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but the state of Israel
gave the Temple Mount area
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on the top to the muslims.
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While the top of the mount is
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off limits to Jewish
religious rights,
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there are sacred
spaces underground,
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which yoram says will
help me understand the
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Jewish vision for end times.
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This is it.
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We've come to the closest
that a human being can come
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to the holy of holies, the
most sacred spot in the world.
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That's the room in the
temple that one human being
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would enter once a year,
the high priest,
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on yom kippur on the
holiest day of the year and
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he would say god's name.
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Orthodox
Jews believe that without this
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temple, their religious
rights are incomplete.
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So they await the day when
their temple is rebuilt.
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Is there a Messiah?
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In judaism?
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In judaism?
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Judaism invented the Messiah,
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but it's not the same Messiah
that most people think about.
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Okay.
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'Cause when
christians think of the.
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Messiah, they think of
someone who's divine.
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Yeah.
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They think of, you know,
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the end of days.
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What we have for
the Messiah is a man,
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a king of this earth was
going to bring peace among
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the nations in this world.
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And he will not be divine.
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He will not be divine.
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And yoram
tells me this mortal Messiah
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has a very specific to do list.
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According to Jewish tradition,
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he has three things
he is supposed to do.
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Number one, he's gonna
reconstitute the Jewish
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kingdom of the Jewish today.
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Number two, he's gonna bring
peace with the neighbors.
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And number three, he's
gonna rebuild that temple.
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Rebuild the temple.
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Here we are, this is 2015,
what are you gonna do now?
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What is contemporary
Jewish position on the temple?
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The Jews think
of the world in terms of this
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dream that once existed in
the world that was taken away,
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the Jews want to bring
back into the world.
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That is the
reconstruction of the temple?
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The reconstruction of the temple
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as the crowning symbol of
this era of justice and peace
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that we're supposed to
be assisting to bring back
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into the world.
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Judaism is
just one of many religions
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that envisions the coming
of world peace one day.
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But, looking at this place,
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where so many
religions intersect...
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It's hard to
imagine peace coming.
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Rebuilding the temple now
would almost certainly not
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herald an age of peace.
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It would obliterate some of
the holiest sights in islam.
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In fact, it might even
trigger an apocalyptic battle.
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But, the idea of a violent
end of the world is not new.
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2000 years ago, not
all Jews anticipated the
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coming age of peace.
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One Jewish sect
fervently anticipated
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the bloody apocalypse.
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Archaeologist, Jodi Magness
has taken me to the shores of
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the dead sea, where
their ancient prophecies were
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miraculously preserved.
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Welcome to Qumran.
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Qumran?
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Right, right, this is where
the scrolls were found, right?
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That's right.
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The dead sea scrolls were
found in eleven caves in the
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cliffs surrounding Qumran.
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How did they get up there?
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Well, they were
deposited in the caves by the
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people who lived at
Qumran who were members of
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a Jewish sect
called the essenes.
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Essenes?
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Uh huh.
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So, why, why come here?
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They came out
here to the desert because
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they wanted to
live in isolation apart
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from everyone else.
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Jody tells
me that the essenes settled
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here at Qumran around 100bc.
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They believed an
epic battle was coming.
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One that would bring on
the end of the world.
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Thanks to the
incredibly dry climate here,
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their apocalyptic
writings have been preserved
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for more than 2,000 years.
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Looking over
the edge of the cliff here,
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look at what we see below us.
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Holy cow!
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This cave is very important.
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Approximately 700 different
scrolls were found in this
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cave including
fragments of the war scroll.
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The war scrolls,
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what now, what is that?
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That's the
scroll that describes a
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40 year long apocalyptic war
and one of the famous lines
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from this scroll says,
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"there shall be a
war of terrible carnage."
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The suns of light shall
battle the suns of darkness
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"and it shall end in
eternal redemption."
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This war
that they're talking about,
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is that like a
call to revolution?
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Or is it more like
mythological expectation?
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When you read the war scroll,
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one of the interesting
things is that it interweaves
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real and then what
seems to us to be fantasy.
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That the people were
leading them into battle are
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priests who are
dressed in priestly outfits,
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the fact that they talk
about angels fighting in their
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midst, but the soldiers
are equipped in the way that
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soldiers at that
time were equipped,
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so you have a combination of
what seems to be very real,
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combined with things that
to us seem to be imaginary.
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Like many doomsday cults,
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the essenes believe
the end was imminent.
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And took precautions
to be ready to meet god
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at any moment.
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This is one of the ritual baths
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here at Qumran.
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They literally believed
that god's presence dwelled
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in their midst.
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According to
biblical Jewish law,
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if you enter the
presence of the god of Israel,
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you have to be in a
state of ritual purity.
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So all of these pools were
filled by the flash flood
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waters, but water was not
replenished over the course of
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the year, so it
got pretty gross.
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Nevertheless, it was
still considered pure for the
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purposes of ritual immersion.
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You could probably come close to
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walking on it.
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Yeah, you
could probably cut it with
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a knife at that point.
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So they were all here preparing
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themselves for the apocalypse?
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That's right.
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What happened?
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Well, the
apocalypse sort of did arrive,
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but not the kind of apocalypse
that they anticipated.
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In 68ad,
their battle with the suns of
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darkness took place.
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It was the Romans.
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As part of that campaign
to crush the Jewish revolt
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against their rule, they
wiped Qumran and the essenes
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off the map.
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So the Romans, armies
just were sweeping past here
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when all of these
people were in the way,
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just get rid of them?
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That's exactly right.
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The Romans were basically
subduing the entire area.
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But the idea
of an apocalyptic battle with
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the forces of darkness did
not die with the essenes.
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It crept into another faith.
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One that was just being born.
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All roads lead to Rome.
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That's were I want to
uncover how the Christian idea
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of the end of days began.
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It's most famous
book of prophecy,
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revelation,
written around 100ad,
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foretells an impending
battle with the antichrist.
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"Let anyone with
understanding calculate"
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the number of the beast, for
it is the number of a person.
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"It's number is 666."
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I want to know if I
can calculate the number
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of the beast.
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I've come to the biblioteca
casanatense near the Vatican
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to meet an expert in
early christianity.
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Kim Haines-Eitzen.
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She tells me she has
compelling evidence that
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reveals the
identity of the beast.
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Good morning.
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So, what exactly
do we have here?
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Well, I've
been looking at some fragments
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of the book of revelation.
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The book of revelation?
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That's right.
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The book of the end of days.
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The end of days,
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the apocalypse.
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It's a prophetic book,
it's got loads of symbolism,
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but it's also very much a
political book and making a
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political claim
about the cause of evil.
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The cause of evil.
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Or who's responsible for evil.
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So tell me
about this coding because as I
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understand it, the antichrist
was given a code so they would
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never call his name, they
would just say it by code.
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Well,
there has been a lot of debate
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about what this
number, in particular,
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666, who it refers to.
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There has also been a
strong argument made for 666
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referring to nero.
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Nero was emperor of Rome from
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54 to 68ad.
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Around the time when the
first christians began to
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arrive in Rome.
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So how do you make
666 translate to nero?
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When you
apply numerical values to the
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name, kaisar neron and
you add up those numbers,
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you come to 666.
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In ancient Greek and Hebrew,
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every letter had a
corresponding number.
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If you add up the letters of
the name for emperor nero,
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written in Hebrew, kaisar neron,
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the total comes to 666.
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But nero is just one of many
names that can add up to 666.
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Kim believes a later copy of
the book of revelation found
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in an archaeological
dig in Egypt confirms the
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beast is nero.
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One of the
interesting things about these
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fragments is that we've
got two different numbers.
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What are those letters?
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A chi is the 600,
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xi 60, sigma a six.
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666.
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This one over here, we
have a chi yota sigma,
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616 with a line over the top.
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Why is it different?
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You might think that this number
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destroys the possibility
that it could be nero.
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Yes.
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What's
striking about this is that
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it may help to confirm the
identity of nero because this
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will be the number that
we would get if we spelled
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nero according to
the Latin spelling.
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Nero kaiser.
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Without the n, the
letter n represented 50,
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the number 50,
so 666 minus 50...
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616.
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616, so we've just gone...
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So we just
subtract and we time up with
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616 and we have the same guy?
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That's right.
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I'm so clever!
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♪ ♪
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But why might early
christians have called nero
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the antichrist?
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Kim brings me to the
very heart of the Vatican.
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St Peter's square to
show me the answer.
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So we know that the code,
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666 refers to the emperor, nero.
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Why?
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Emperor
nero was despised for many
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things including
persecuting christians.
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Now, in the square here,
you can see an obelisk that
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he arranged to stand at the
turning point in his circus.
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Circus Maximus.
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The circus neroeus.
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Neroneus?
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Yeah, the circus stood here and
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was a place for
chariot races, games,
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but he also used it then
for persecuting christians.
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So in 64, there was a major
fire in Rome and much of the
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city was destroyed, nero
wound up blaming christians and
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he executed them in great
numbers as far as we can tell,
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right here in this circus.
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Tradition says
nero even executed the man
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many considered to be the
founder of the church in Rome.
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Peter.
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The story
about Peter was that he was
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crucified upside down, some
of them were lit on fire.
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Burning?
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To light the place.
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It explains
why they despised him so much.
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So now we have the basilica
of St. Peter standing here
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commemorating his death.
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So the
irony that this is where Peter
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founded the church.
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Yeah, it's pretty dramatic.
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The crucifix on which Peter died
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could have been just
yards from where I stand now.
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Obviously, the
christians hated nero.
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He was the antichrist.
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Even after his suicide, it
appeared that he had the power
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to come back and rule,
which is why it was safer to
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refer to him in a secret code.
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But, the christians living
under the conditions that
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they were living, judgment
day couldn't come too soon.
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The Christian idea of
apocalypse took hold under the
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oppression of Rome.
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This evil empire had
destroyed Jerusalem and
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persecuted the early
followers of Jesus.
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But, the idea has since
spread to a different faith.
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It targets a
different evil empire.
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And threatens to engulf
us all in the apocalypse.
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I'm traveling
the world to find out why
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billions of people
believe in the end of days.
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My journey has
brought me to islam.
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Islam is an arabic word
that means surrender.
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Submission to god's will.
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The same god the Jews
and Christian worship.
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Meeting muslims face to face,
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I've learned that islam aims
for people to live in peace.
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But watching the news today,
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you'd be forgiven
for not knowing that.
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A tiny percentage of
muslims are waging war
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against the west.
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Isis and other religious
extremist groups believe the
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apocalypse has already begun.
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To understand why,
I've come to New York.
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To meet a man who was
once a high level recruiter
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for an apocalyptic
islamist group.
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Maajid nawaz was radicalized
as a teenager in the uk.
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Please tell me about
that radicalization.
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I think it's
important just to distinguish
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between islamism and
islam, a religion.
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What I mean by islamism
is the desire to impose any
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version of islam over society.
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Although ideology was
sold to me as if it was the
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religion of islam and
that's what I adopted.
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I grew up facing a very, very
severe form of violent racism,
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domestically within the uk.
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I'm talking hammer attacks,
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machete attacks by
Neo-Nazi skinheads, thugs.
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On many occasions I had to
watch as my friends were
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stabbed before my
eyes as a 15 year old.
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I began seeing myself as
separate from the rest of
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society and an islamist
recruiter found me in that
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state as a young,
angry teenager and it was
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very easy for that recruiter.
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I joined a group called
hizb ut-tahrir and that's
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the group I spent 13 years
of my leadership on.
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Is that
the precursor to al-qaeda?
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Yes, it's the
first islamist organization
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that was responsible for
popularizing the notion of
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resurrecting a modern
day theocratic caliphate,
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as we now see that
Isis has laid claim to.
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But, my former group,
they were the first ones to
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popularize that term.
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I ended up in Egypt
where I continued to recruit
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people to this cause.
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I was eventually
arrested on 1st march in 2002.
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I was taken
to the headquarters of the
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state security in Cairo,
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down underground in
their torture dungeons.
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I was blindfolded
and that's when they,
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the worst ordeal began.
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Torture?
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They began
electrocuting everyone.
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You served four years in prison?
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Four years, yeah.
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And then
you came out not so radical.
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- I.
- am still a Muslim,
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but I am now liberal.
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Now, when I was in prison
and I was living with the
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who's who of the jihadist
terrorist movements and
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islamist movements,
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we had a leader of
the Muslim brotherhood.
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When I saw him I thought,
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"my god, if these guys
ever came to power and
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declared a caliphate,
it would be hell on earth."
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Of course, when Isis
eventually did declare the
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caliphate, that utopian dream
that we all used to share has
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become that dystopic
nightmare that we see now.
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So, lets talk
a little bit about Isis and
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the apocalyptic prophecies of
Muhammad and how they're using
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that for their purposes.
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Yeah, so there
were a lot prophecies that
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most muslims share in
common with each other.
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The difference is what Isis
has done is it's manipulated
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those prophecies to
serve its own political and
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ideological ends.
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So as an example of this
end of times battle that Isis
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believes is going to take
place in a small village
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called dabiq in Syria.
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Now this village, has
absolutely no strategic value,
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militarily whatsoever.
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Has hardly any economic
strategic value either.
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But Isis has nevertheless
committed resources to
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conquering this small
village called dabiq.
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They believe that the
international community and
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the coalition must
somehow be driven to come
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and meet them in dabiq
and engage in a final battle.
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Would
that be part of the apocalypse
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that America would fall?
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Yeah.
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Now there's a
prophecy of the prophet,
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Muhammad that says that
constantinople will fall first
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and then Rome will, so Isis
has interpreted this piece of
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scripture that because
constantinople has already
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fallen to muslims, that
the next big battle will be
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against the west and the
west will eventually fall.
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The idea would be
that actually in fact,
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that America today
represents Rome.
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Ah-ha.
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You know, a
continuation of the western
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civilization as represented
by the Roman empire.
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Why do you think the idea of the
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apocalypse is so appealing,
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particularly to so
many young people?
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When you feel powerless,
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when you feel that
you don't actually control
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your own destiny,
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when you feel that
you have absolutely no voice,
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then it's incredibly
tempting, though wrong,
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to feel like you're
becoming an agent of destiny.
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To suddenly feel like
you do have a voice,
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that you are shaping history.
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Maajid now
runs the quilliam foundation,
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whose goal is to prevent
Isis and groups like them from
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recruiting people in the west.
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He produces counter-propaganda
videos like this.
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So we're taking
real examples of people who
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have become disillusioned and
we put them to actors voices
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and actually put out
some of those stories.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Most informative and
I'm glad you're here.
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Thank you, a pleasure.
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It's probably
natural that the apocalypse
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is appealing to the
disenfranchised.
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They have the most to gain
and the least to fear from
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overturning the status quo.
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But it's more
widespread than that.
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Culturally, we seem to
have a morbid attraction
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to the apocalypse.
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It's almost as if we
draw some comfort from it.
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At the university of
Illinois at Chicago,
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psychology professor,
Stewart Shankman is studying
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00:27:38,275 --> 00:27:41,077
our subconscious
belief in the apocalypse.
508
00:27:41,079 --> 00:27:45,681
He thinks it may be hard
wired into our brains.
509
00:27:45,683 --> 00:27:47,583
So the
gist of what we're doing today
510
00:27:47,585 --> 00:27:49,518
is we're looking at
people's different response to
511
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,686
different kinds of threats.
512
00:27:51,688 --> 00:27:54,155
Since this is
a lab experiment that relies
513
00:27:54,157 --> 00:27:58,327
on volunteers, the
catastrophe is survivable.
514
00:27:58,329 --> 00:28:02,431
A sudden noise combined with
a mild shock to the wrist.
515
00:28:02,433 --> 00:28:06,801
A skull cap of electrodes and
sensors on the subjects face
516
00:28:06,803 --> 00:28:09,372
capture the raw data of fear,
517
00:28:09,374 --> 00:28:12,607
of brain activity
and her stress levels.
518
00:28:12,609 --> 00:28:16,846
Together, they measure the
size of the startle response.
519
00:28:16,848 --> 00:28:18,381
And the first condition is
520
00:28:18,383 --> 00:28:20,316
called shock at
anytime and during that,
521
00:28:20,318 --> 00:28:22,417
you might receive it when
the countdown reaches one,
522
00:28:22,419 --> 00:28:24,185
you might receive it in the
middle of the countdowns,
523
00:28:24,187 --> 00:28:25,855
you might receive it in
between your countdowns,
524
00:28:25,857 --> 00:28:29,360
you might not receive it at all.
525
00:28:38,035 --> 00:28:40,001
Look, there's a
bit startle for the
526
00:28:40,003 --> 00:28:43,608
unpredictable condition.
527
00:28:46,644 --> 00:28:48,411
When people are in the
unpredictable condition,
528
00:28:48,413 --> 00:28:50,246
they don't know when
this bad thing is coming.
529
00:28:50,248 --> 00:28:52,580
They're gonna show a
greater activity in their
530
00:28:52,582 --> 00:28:54,183
brain and pupil dilation.
531
00:28:54,185 --> 00:28:55,850
Their heart
rate's gonna increase.
532
00:28:55,852 --> 00:28:57,952
Now, Stuart changes to a
533
00:28:57,954 --> 00:28:59,454
different condition.
534
00:28:59,456 --> 00:29:01,723
A predictable shock.
535
00:29:01,725 --> 00:29:03,425
Called shock at one and
536
00:29:03,427 --> 00:29:07,733
you will get a shock at
the end of the countdowns.
537
00:29:11,903 --> 00:29:14,036
Your reaction to this painful,
538
00:29:14,038 --> 00:29:16,504
but foreseeable
shock is different.
539
00:29:16,506 --> 00:29:18,406
Surprisingly so.
540
00:29:18,408 --> 00:29:20,276
When people are in the
541
00:29:20,278 --> 00:29:22,411
unpredictable condition,
their startle response is much
542
00:29:22,413 --> 00:29:24,814
higher than when they're in
the predictable condition.
543
00:29:24,816 --> 00:29:27,482
Knowing when the bad
thing is gonna come creates a
544
00:29:27,484 --> 00:29:30,286
qualitatively different
emotional experience
545
00:29:30,288 --> 00:29:32,587
than not knowing.
546
00:29:32,589 --> 00:29:35,223
So, whatever we can do
to try to make something
547
00:29:35,225 --> 00:29:37,158
as unpredictable, predictable,
548
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,364
that's gonna give us
a little bit of solace.
549
00:29:42,666 --> 00:29:44,834
This metal
mechanism could explain why so
550
00:29:44,836 --> 00:29:49,504
many of us believe in
an impending apocalypse.
551
00:29:49,506 --> 00:29:52,407
But, it may also
explain the morbid appeal
552
00:29:52,409 --> 00:29:54,577
of doomsday cults.
553
00:29:54,579 --> 00:29:57,379
I'll
tell you about a kingdom level
554
00:29:57,381 --> 00:29:59,815
beyond here and if
you want to go there,
555
00:29:59,817 --> 00:30:01,717
then you have to follow me.
556
00:30:01,719 --> 00:30:05,590
This is the end of the age.
557
00:30:09,627 --> 00:30:13,028
But is it
possible to predict the end?
558
00:30:13,030 --> 00:30:17,502
A few years back, many
people thought they had.
559
00:30:19,302 --> 00:30:21,404
According to popular legend,
560
00:30:21,406 --> 00:30:24,140
the ancient Maya thought
the apocalypse would arrive
561
00:30:24,142 --> 00:30:27,212
on a specific date.
562
00:30:28,780 --> 00:30:32,684
December 21st, 2012.
563
00:30:36,887 --> 00:30:38,921
I want to know if
this is really true,
564
00:30:38,923 --> 00:30:41,891
so I've traveled to
their ancient capital,
565
00:30:41,893 --> 00:30:45,097
tikal in Guatemala.
566
00:30:46,463 --> 00:30:50,331
I'm meeting Stanley guenter,
who's a world leading decoder
567
00:30:50,333 --> 00:30:52,600
of Mayan inscriptions.
568
00:30:52,602 --> 00:30:55,904
So this
is the temple of the masks.
569
00:30:55,906 --> 00:30:57,640
And on the other side,
570
00:30:57,642 --> 00:31:02,447
the temple of the giant Jaguar.
571
00:31:04,147 --> 00:31:06,347
This would have been
the early center of the
572
00:31:06,349 --> 00:31:08,683
ancient city of tikal.
573
00:31:08,685 --> 00:31:10,752
What about those headstone
574
00:31:10,754 --> 00:31:12,154
looking things, there?
575
00:31:12,156 --> 00:31:15,191
Those are what we call stelae.
576
00:31:15,193 --> 00:31:16,991
Stelae.
577
00:31:16,993 --> 00:31:18,827
Stelae.
578
00:31:18,829 --> 00:31:20,429
And they commemorate periods
579
00:31:20,431 --> 00:31:21,864
in the Mayan calendar.
580
00:31:21,866 --> 00:31:23,865
So we see that they
would have been dedicated
581
00:31:23,867 --> 00:31:25,366
to periods of time,
582
00:31:25,368 --> 00:31:27,802
such as every 20 years,
every 10 years and especially
583
00:31:27,804 --> 00:31:29,672
every about 400 years,
584
00:31:29,674 --> 00:31:34,375
the ending of the
great b'ak'tun cycles.
585
00:31:34,377 --> 00:31:36,278
The festival to mark the end of
586
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,948
a b'ak'tun cycle would
have culminated in the
587
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:42,421
king sacrificing the captive.
588
00:31:46,957 --> 00:31:52,661
Does that go to say that the
Mayans felt that 2012 would be
589
00:31:52,663 --> 00:31:54,529
the end of time, the apocalypse?
590
00:31:54,531 --> 00:31:56,331
So we heard a few years ago,
591
00:31:56,333 --> 00:31:59,934
about 2012 when people said
the end of the 13th b'ak'tun
592
00:31:59,936 --> 00:32:02,070
was going to be the end
of the world predicted by
593
00:32:02,072 --> 00:32:03,905
the Maya and there's a
monument down here,
594
00:32:03,907 --> 00:32:05,808
I think we should
take a look at that would
595
00:32:05,810 --> 00:32:09,713
help explain that.
596
00:32:12,550 --> 00:32:16,719
This is stela 10 and you
can see we've got a king,
597
00:32:16,721 --> 00:32:19,721
there is his head, big
headdress full of feathers.
598
00:32:19,723 --> 00:32:22,057
His shoulders,
all of his jewelry,
599
00:32:22,059 --> 00:32:23,558
down to his feet.
600
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,426
And if you look down below,
601
00:32:25,428 --> 00:32:27,429
we can actually
see we have a captive.
602
00:32:27,431 --> 00:32:30,398
We can see his head, we
have his hands and even down
603
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,666
to his legs.
604
00:32:31,668 --> 00:32:34,103
He's all tied up for sacrifice.
605
00:32:34,105 --> 00:32:36,438
So now, what did this have to do
606
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:37,806
with the apocalypse?
607
00:32:37,808 --> 00:32:39,607
Well, we have to go around the
608
00:32:39,609 --> 00:32:40,875
other side, here.
609
00:32:40,877 --> 00:32:43,746
Okay.
610
00:32:43,748 --> 00:32:46,015
We have a
date that gives us a specific
611
00:32:46,017 --> 00:32:51,921
point in time, we have
eleven years and 360 days.
612
00:32:51,923 --> 00:32:54,890
Then we have three katuns,
that's about 20 years each,
613
00:32:54,892 --> 00:32:57,826
so we've got another 60
and then here we have nine
614
00:32:57,828 --> 00:33:03,298
b'ak'tuns because this
is a date of about 525ad,
615
00:33:03,300 --> 00:33:08,436
so if you remember, we had
13 b'ak'tuns ended in 2012.
616
00:33:08,438 --> 00:33:10,405
But the really interesting
thing is this monument
617
00:33:10,407 --> 00:33:12,374
doesn't stop there.
618
00:33:12,376 --> 00:33:16,211
It goes on and tells us there
were 19 of the higher unit,
619
00:33:16,213 --> 00:33:18,513
the piktun and even higher,
620
00:33:18,515 --> 00:33:21,083
we have eleven of
the next unit and so on.
621
00:33:21,085 --> 00:33:23,618
Each one of those units is
20 times larger than the
622
00:33:23,620 --> 00:33:27,122
previous, so what we see
on this monument then,
623
00:33:27,124 --> 00:33:31,559
is that 13 b'ak'tuns wasn't
the end of any calendar,
624
00:33:31,561 --> 00:33:34,730
it was simply the end of
one cycle within a whole
625
00:33:34,732 --> 00:33:40,070
series of nested cycles,
each one larger than the other.
626
00:33:44,175 --> 00:33:46,040
Just as we mark the start of a
627
00:33:46,042 --> 00:33:47,809
new millennium,
628
00:33:47,811 --> 00:33:50,645
the Maya marked
December 21st, 2012 as a
629
00:33:50,647 --> 00:33:53,248
major event on their calendar.
630
00:33:53,250 --> 00:33:56,184
The ending of
another 400 year cycle.
631
00:33:56,186 --> 00:34:00,992
There would have been
parades, music and sacrifice.
632
00:34:02,325 --> 00:34:04,760
If the ancient
Maya were still here,
633
00:34:04,762 --> 00:34:08,700
they'd have had a huge party.
634
00:34:10,635 --> 00:34:12,200
No apocalypse.
635
00:34:12,202 --> 00:34:13,569
No apocalypse.
636
00:34:13,571 --> 00:34:14,837
Just a beginning.
637
00:34:14,839 --> 00:34:16,071
Another beginning.
638
00:34:16,073 --> 00:34:17,740
And another one and another one
639
00:34:17,742 --> 00:34:20,709
that would go on
for almost eternity.
640
00:34:20,711 --> 00:34:22,845
Why not eternity?
641
00:34:22,847 --> 00:34:25,080
We've never
found the end for the Maya,
642
00:34:25,082 --> 00:34:26,749
and we'll still have
to keep searching.
643
00:34:26,751 --> 00:34:29,218
Okay.
644
00:34:29,220 --> 00:34:33,756
Thinking about the way the
Maya saw time makes me realize
645
00:34:33,758 --> 00:34:38,727
that the idea of an end
we have in christianity,
646
00:34:38,729 --> 00:34:43,165
judaism and islam
are not universal.
647
00:34:43,167 --> 00:34:47,502
For these religions, the
ultimate hope is that god will
648
00:34:47,504 --> 00:34:50,906
intervene in the world of men,
649
00:34:50,908 --> 00:34:56,544
pass judgment and right the
wrongs that we see around us.
650
00:34:56,546 --> 00:34:59,080
But there are billions of
believers out there who don't
651
00:34:59,082 --> 00:35:02,620
see the world that way at all.
652
00:35:05,555 --> 00:35:08,924
For them, time moves in cycles,
653
00:35:08,926 --> 00:35:10,892
perhaps forever.
654
00:35:10,894 --> 00:35:13,361
I'm headed to India
to understand what the
655
00:35:13,363 --> 00:35:15,731
apocalypse could mean...
656
00:35:15,733 --> 00:35:18,303
In a world without end.
657
00:35:26,803 --> 00:35:28,703
India is the birthplace of
658
00:35:28,705 --> 00:35:30,439
two great religions.
659
00:35:30,441 --> 00:35:32,774
Hinduism.
660
00:35:32,776 --> 00:35:35,647
And buddhism.
661
00:35:42,419 --> 00:35:46,520
Hindus believe an apocalypse
comes every few billion years.
662
00:35:46,522 --> 00:35:49,824
But every end leads to
a new beginning and the
663
00:35:49,826 --> 00:35:53,027
world starts again.
664
00:35:53,029 --> 00:35:56,665
Buddhists don't imagine
a violent end of days.
665
00:35:56,667 --> 00:36:00,502
To them, the word apocalypse
does not mean a revelation
666
00:36:00,504 --> 00:36:03,105
of god's judgment to the world.
667
00:36:03,107 --> 00:36:07,843
It's a personal revelation
of truth in the mind.
668
00:36:07,845 --> 00:36:11,982
It's called enlightenment.
669
00:36:17,053 --> 00:36:20,522
To find out what that means,
I've come to sarnath, India to
670
00:36:20,524 --> 00:36:24,326
meet one of the world's
most revered Buddhist lamas.
671
00:36:24,328 --> 00:36:28,666
His holiness, gyalwang Karmapa.
672
00:36:39,142 --> 00:36:42,143
Tibetan Buddhists
believe that Karmapa is the
673
00:36:42,145 --> 00:36:45,312
17th reincarnation of a
great teacher who lived
674
00:36:45,314 --> 00:36:48,585
900 years ago.
675
00:36:54,258 --> 00:36:55,656
Good morning.
676
00:36:55,658 --> 00:36:58,326
- I.
- think you should wear this.
677
00:36:58,328 --> 00:36:59,694
I should?
678
00:36:59,696 --> 00:37:01,362
Yeah, thank you.
679
00:37:01,364 --> 00:37:02,964
Thank you.
680
00:37:02,966 --> 00:37:04,232
Thank you.
681
00:37:04,234 --> 00:37:05,734
Can we walk?
682
00:37:05,736 --> 00:37:08,469
Yeah.
683
00:37:08,471 --> 00:37:11,906
In 1992, a
holy commission hunted for
684
00:37:11,908 --> 00:37:16,978
the new Karmapa and
found Ogyen Trinley Dorje,
685
00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:19,915
a seven year old son
of a nomadic family in
686
00:37:19,917 --> 00:37:21,817
eastern Tibet.
687
00:37:21,819 --> 00:37:23,752
You were kind of
young for this station?
688
00:37:23,754 --> 00:37:24,953
Yes.
689
00:37:24,955 --> 00:37:26,687
Okay, so what is it like,
690
00:37:26,689 --> 00:37:28,489
how do you, is it all right?
691
00:37:28,491 --> 00:37:30,024
One way it's meaningful,
692
00:37:30,026 --> 00:37:32,426
one way is a little bit heavy.
693
00:37:32,428 --> 00:37:36,767
People have lots of expectation.
694
00:37:38,035 --> 00:37:40,167
The expectation is heavy for a
695
00:37:40,169 --> 00:37:42,337
30 year old man.
696
00:37:42,339 --> 00:37:45,507
The Karmapa must teach
how to find enlightenment
697
00:37:45,509 --> 00:37:49,710
while still working
to find it for himself.
698
00:37:49,712 --> 00:37:52,247
This is
the start of the site that
699
00:37:52,249 --> 00:37:56,051
the Buddha's give
first teaching.
700
00:37:56,053 --> 00:37:57,719
This is the place then,
701
00:37:57,721 --> 00:37:59,221
where he had his
first sermon after
702
00:37:59,223 --> 00:38:01,089
he reached enlightenment?
703
00:38:01,091 --> 00:38:02,656
Yes, yes.
704
00:38:02,658 --> 00:38:04,091
Right.
705
00:38:04,093 --> 00:38:05,893
Talk to me just a little bit,
706
00:38:05,895 --> 00:38:08,096
your holiness about
enlightenment.
707
00:38:08,098 --> 00:38:12,500
How does one even begin to
go about trying to obtain that?
708
00:38:12,502 --> 00:38:13,868
Wow!
709
00:38:13,870 --> 00:38:15,370
Big question isn't it?
710
00:38:15,372 --> 00:38:16,571
Yes.
711
00:38:16,573 --> 00:38:18,140
Huge challenge.
712
00:38:18,142 --> 00:38:20,708
Huge, yeah,
maybe I think the first part
713
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:23,911
is maybe you need to
recognize yourself like,
714
00:38:23,913 --> 00:38:25,647
where you're from, come from.
715
00:38:25,649 --> 00:38:26,882
Why am I here?
716
00:38:26,884 --> 00:38:28,250
Yeah.
717
00:38:28,252 --> 00:38:31,118
So I would
like to get some instruction
718
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,788
about enlightenment.
719
00:38:33,790 --> 00:38:35,357
I will try, I will try.
720
00:38:35,359 --> 00:38:36,625
Yeah, okay.
721
00:38:36,627 --> 00:38:38,093
Okay.
722
00:38:38,095 --> 00:38:39,960
I will try.
723
00:38:39,962 --> 00:38:42,667
Thank you.
724
00:38:46,602 --> 00:38:48,469
The Karmapa tells me meditation
725
00:38:48,471 --> 00:38:50,705
is the key to enlightenment.
726
00:38:50,707 --> 00:38:53,641
If the apocalypse is the
revelation of the true will of
727
00:38:53,643 --> 00:38:59,647
god, meditation aims to
reveal the true will of me.
728
00:38:59,649 --> 00:39:01,283
They have lots of different
729
00:39:01,285 --> 00:39:04,853
ways to meditate,
730
00:39:04,855 --> 00:39:09,994
but the simple
one is to focus your breath.
731
00:39:11,428 --> 00:39:13,161
That's the one I know.
732
00:39:13,163 --> 00:39:15,730
You relax your mind.
733
00:39:15,732 --> 00:39:18,866
And don't follow the past,
734
00:39:18,868 --> 00:39:25,408
don't anticipate future,
just relax at the moment.
735
00:39:27,511 --> 00:39:32,950
Just focus your
breathing and that's all.
736
00:39:35,419 --> 00:39:38,955
Yeah, we should try.
737
00:39:57,140 --> 00:39:58,839
It's a lot of work to move past
738
00:39:58,841 --> 00:40:02,509
all the memories,
thoughts and emotions...
739
00:40:02,511 --> 00:40:06,882
To just concentrate on being...
740
00:40:06,884 --> 00:40:10,521
To see what's left when
all the noise has gone.
741
00:40:55,299 --> 00:40:57,998
Okay?
742
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,567
Beautiful.
743
00:40:59,569 --> 00:41:01,169
Good?
744
00:41:01,171 --> 00:41:02,603
Yes.
745
00:41:02,605 --> 00:41:04,071
Thank you.
746
00:41:04,073 --> 00:41:05,707
Can I ask
you a philosophical question?
747
00:41:05,709 --> 00:41:07,808
Philosophical?
748
00:41:07,810 --> 00:41:09,643
I will try.
749
00:41:09,645 --> 00:41:14,848
It's
about the westerners idea...
750
00:41:14,850 --> 00:41:16,451
Yeah.
751
00:41:16,453 --> 00:41:18,819
Of apocalypse.
752
00:41:18,821 --> 00:41:23,757
The end of time,
the end of being.
753
00:41:23,759 --> 00:41:28,129
Is there such a
thing in buddhism?
754
00:41:28,131 --> 00:41:30,565
If when everything
stops and every...
755
00:41:30,567 --> 00:41:35,569
The world comes to an
end and mankind is judged.
756
00:41:35,571 --> 00:41:38,672
We believe that every day is
757
00:41:38,674 --> 00:41:42,009
somewhere one
universe it's like...
758
00:41:42,011 --> 00:41:43,277
Ending.
759
00:41:43,279 --> 00:41:44,611
Ending one it's...
760
00:41:44,613 --> 00:41:46,781
Beginning.
761
00:41:46,783 --> 00:41:50,051
But it's not like a...
762
00:41:50,053 --> 00:41:53,355
This kind of judge, how
do I say, judge things.
763
00:41:53,357 --> 00:41:54,788
No judgment day?
764
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:56,757
No, not judgment day.
765
00:41:56,759 --> 00:41:59,527
This is maybe a
little bit different.
766
00:41:59,529 --> 00:42:01,495
So actually,
767
00:42:01,497 --> 00:42:04,265
what you're saying
I think is that...
768
00:42:04,267 --> 00:42:06,333
There is no end, only change?
769
00:42:06,335 --> 00:42:07,768
Yeah, change, yes.
770
00:42:07,770 --> 00:42:09,603
One thing ends, another begins.
771
00:42:09,605 --> 00:42:11,205
Yeah, maybe it's,
772
00:42:11,207 --> 00:42:15,944
there are not absolute
sort of ending, yeah.
773
00:42:15,946 --> 00:42:17,044
Thank you.
774
00:42:17,046 --> 00:42:18,846
Thank you.
775
00:42:18,848 --> 00:42:21,751
Thank you.
776
00:42:23,352 --> 00:42:25,919
When you
meet someone like his holiness,
777
00:42:25,921 --> 00:42:29,156
the Karmapa, I guess
the thing that stands out
778
00:42:29,158 --> 00:42:32,227
most is his humility.
779
00:42:32,229 --> 00:42:37,464
Karmapa doesn't give you
the impression that he thinks
780
00:42:37,466 --> 00:42:42,036
of himself as greater
than you, higher than you,
781
00:42:42,038 --> 00:42:46,875
better in any way than you.
782
00:42:46,877 --> 00:42:52,383
He's here like the
rest of us on this quest,
783
00:42:53,649 --> 00:42:59,620
trying to understand
why we're here,
784
00:42:59,622 --> 00:43:05,362
seeking to unveil the
truth, seeking enlightenment.
785
00:43:07,163 --> 00:43:09,464
But the truth isn't
always revealed in a moment
786
00:43:09,466 --> 00:43:11,933
of calm reflection.
787
00:43:20,676 --> 00:43:22,544
♪ ♪
788
00:43:22,546 --> 00:43:25,480
August, 2005.
789
00:43:25,482 --> 00:43:30,484
Hurricane Katrina
slammed into Louisiana.
790
00:43:30,486 --> 00:43:34,591
A catastrophe of
historic proportions.
791
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:44,502
Some even thought the end was
happening here in New Orleans.
792
00:43:46,770 --> 00:43:50,605
New Orleans
had a level of sin that was
793
00:43:50,607 --> 00:43:55,609
offensive to god and I believe
that the hurricant Katrina was,
794
00:43:55,611 --> 00:44:01,181
in fact, punishment against
the city of New Orleans.
795
00:44:01,183 --> 00:44:05,656
Katrina was
a judgement from god.
796
00:44:08,758 --> 00:44:10,757
I'm in New Orleans to meet
797
00:44:10,759 --> 00:44:13,161
Katrina survivors.
798
00:44:13,163 --> 00:44:15,964
To learn how they
dealt with the end and
799
00:44:15,966 --> 00:44:19,801
how it changed them.
800
00:44:19,803 --> 00:44:22,169
So right now, we
are in flood country?
801
00:44:22,171 --> 00:44:23,638
Yes, sir.
802
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,473
This is
where the water actually...
803
00:44:25,475 --> 00:44:29,076
Yes, this is
actually the 9th ward.
804
00:44:29,078 --> 00:44:30,578
You were here during Katrina,
805
00:44:30,580 --> 00:44:32,045
is that right?
806
00:44:32,047 --> 00:44:33,614
Yes, I was.
807
00:44:33,616 --> 00:44:35,884
I was in an apartment building
and I was on the first floor
808
00:44:35,886 --> 00:44:41,522
and I got eight feet of water
and I lost everything I owned.
809
00:44:41,524 --> 00:44:44,125
Did you
have a feeling at some point
810
00:44:44,127 --> 00:44:46,594
that this was like
the end of it all?
811
00:44:46,596 --> 00:44:50,901
It did seem like the end to me.
812
00:44:55,272 --> 00:44:58,172
Ernest was far from alone.
813
00:44:58,174 --> 00:45:01,643
New Orleans residents Charles
and Angela marsalis came to
814
00:45:01,645 --> 00:45:07,415
their local church, a shelter
in the time of the storm.
815
00:45:07,417 --> 00:45:09,951
We're in the carrolton
Avenue church of Christ,
816
00:45:09,953 --> 00:45:14,455
this is, you spent a little
time here during the storm.
817
00:45:14,457 --> 00:45:16,524
How did you wind up here?
818
00:45:16,526 --> 00:45:19,893
We were gonna
lodge here for the night and
819
00:45:19,895 --> 00:45:24,065
then we were gonna go
home the next day and there
820
00:45:24,067 --> 00:45:29,239
was a night we could
hear the wind rushing in.
821
00:45:31,674 --> 00:45:33,875
It's just really, really loud.
822
00:45:33,877 --> 00:45:36,611
I mean, at that time it was
really scary and I just began
823
00:45:36,613 --> 00:45:38,712
to kneel down and pray.
824
00:45:38,714 --> 00:45:42,817
We could actually, you know,
see the water rising and we
825
00:45:42,819 --> 00:45:46,520
thought it'd be stopped,
but it just kept rising.
826
00:45:46,522 --> 00:45:50,861
The marsalis
family was completely cut off.
827
00:45:52,495 --> 00:45:55,929
More than a hundred billion
gallons of water had surged
828
00:45:55,931 --> 00:45:58,433
through broken levees.
829
00:45:58,435 --> 00:46:01,301
Three days passed before
the red cross evacuated them
830
00:46:01,303 --> 00:46:06,940
to a marooned bridge
full of desperate survivors.
831
00:46:06,942 --> 00:46:08,743
It was like, pitch black dark.
832
00:46:08,745 --> 00:46:13,815
Everything in that water,
alligator, snakes, everything.
833
00:46:13,817 --> 00:46:17,652
I mean, they had sick people,
they had women in wheelchairs.
834
00:46:17,654 --> 00:46:20,788
We saw the
guys having drugs over here,
835
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:25,792
selling drugs, guns, I felt
that the devil was at work.
836
00:46:25,794 --> 00:46:27,661
It was really a dark time.
837
00:46:27,663 --> 00:46:29,830
It was really dark, yeah.
838
00:46:29,832 --> 00:46:32,033
Now this,
these are dire circumstances
839
00:46:32,035 --> 00:46:35,370
and dire circumstances
can bring out the best and
840
00:46:35,372 --> 00:46:36,670
the worst in people.
841
00:46:36,672 --> 00:46:38,306
Yes, yes.
842
00:46:38,308 --> 00:46:40,341
How did
you function through that?
843
00:46:40,343 --> 00:46:42,410
Well, I'm a minister and you got
844
00:46:42,412 --> 00:46:44,846
children of god sitting here,
so I told me wife,
845
00:46:44,848 --> 00:46:48,082
it's time for us to get busy,
we got to do something.
846
00:46:48,084 --> 00:46:50,451
And so we just started
singing and, and then the
847
00:46:50,453 --> 00:46:52,654
next thing we know
in the darkness,
848
00:46:52,656 --> 00:46:53,987
you can hear people saying,
849
00:46:53,989 --> 00:46:56,723
sing this song, sing that song.
850
00:46:56,725 --> 00:46:59,127
And how long, can't remember,
how long did we sing?
851
00:46:59,129 --> 00:47:00,428
All night.
852
00:47:03,533 --> 00:47:05,265
We just knew that god would get
853
00:47:05,267 --> 00:47:06,801
us out of there.
854
00:47:06,803 --> 00:47:09,069
Not even
Katrina could shake that faith
855
00:47:09,071 --> 00:47:11,605
of god, no way.
856
00:47:11,607 --> 00:47:15,843
Jesus is
a rock in a weary land, ♪
857
00:47:15,845 --> 00:47:20,714
♪ a weary land,
a weary land. ♪
858
00:47:20,716 --> 00:47:22,183
♪ Jesus is a
rock in a... ♪♪
859
00:47:22,185 --> 00:47:25,419
Charles and
Angela did get out in the end.
860
00:47:25,421 --> 00:47:27,955
A year later they
returned to New Orleans and
861
00:47:27,957 --> 00:47:32,893
rebuilt their lives.
862
00:47:32,895 --> 00:47:36,297
The experience of getting
so close to the end and
863
00:47:36,299 --> 00:47:40,567
so close to god drove them
to start their own church.
864
00:47:40,569 --> 00:47:43,571
Well, how
many out here remember Katrina?
865
00:47:43,573 --> 00:47:46,040
Y'all remember the storm?
866
00:47:46,042 --> 00:47:48,009
I remember that.
867
00:47:48,011 --> 00:47:54,448
Some folk even said that that's
god punishment on New Orleans.
868
00:47:54,450 --> 00:47:57,585
And I had to tell them folk, no!
869
00:47:57,587 --> 00:48:01,355
God allowed it to happen.
870
00:48:01,357 --> 00:48:03,091
You know,
a lot of people had their
871
00:48:03,093 --> 00:48:05,225
eyes on New Orleans,
872
00:48:05,227 --> 00:48:08,029
but they saw something
good that could come out
873
00:48:08,031 --> 00:48:09,263
of something bad.
874
00:48:09,265 --> 00:48:11,031
Had it not been for the storm,
875
00:48:11,033 --> 00:48:14,268
we wouldn't be here
at this building, probably.
876
00:48:14,270 --> 00:48:16,803
We wouldn't have met
some of these people that
877
00:48:16,805 --> 00:48:18,605
you seen in here today.
878
00:48:18,607 --> 00:48:20,908
I believe if it
wasn't for that storm.
879
00:48:20,910 --> 00:48:22,477
You know, Charles,
880
00:48:22,479 --> 00:48:24,011
that's very Buddhist.
881
00:48:24,013 --> 00:48:25,245
Yeah?
882
00:48:25,247 --> 00:48:27,482
Yeah, the Buddhist say every
883
00:48:27,484 --> 00:48:31,018
ending is a beginning.
884
00:48:31,020 --> 00:48:33,888
It's god's will.
885
00:48:33,890 --> 00:48:37,058
God saw this before we saw this.
886
00:48:37,060 --> 00:48:40,661
We just got to allow ourself
to be willing to let god
887
00:48:40,663 --> 00:48:44,165
use us in part of that will.
888
00:48:44,167 --> 00:48:48,035
Katrina didn't
wash New Orleans of its sin.
889
00:48:48,037 --> 00:48:51,105
It didn't come as
divine punishment.
890
00:48:51,107 --> 00:48:53,841
It caused suffering, yes.
891
00:48:53,843 --> 00:48:56,444
But it also
opened people's eyes,
892
00:48:56,446 --> 00:49:00,147
to cherish what they had
left and to work together
893
00:49:00,149 --> 00:49:03,953
to build something better.
894
00:49:05,053 --> 00:49:08,522
I set out to understand
what the apocalypse means
895
00:49:08,524 --> 00:49:11,591
to people of many
different faiths.
896
00:49:11,593 --> 00:49:16,663
I had always thought of it
as a all destroying doomsday.
897
00:49:16,665 --> 00:49:18,732
But I've discovered
that some people yearn
898
00:49:18,734 --> 00:49:20,667
for the apocalypse.
899
00:49:20,669 --> 00:49:23,437
They want to be
free of injustice.
900
00:49:23,439 --> 00:49:26,274
They want to escape suffering.
901
00:49:26,276 --> 00:49:30,011
They want a better world.
902
00:49:30,013 --> 00:49:31,745
Apocalypse.
903
00:49:31,747 --> 00:49:36,082
It's a Greek word
meaning lifting the veil.
904
00:49:36,084 --> 00:49:39,786
It's not about war,
it's about enlightenment.
905
00:49:39,788 --> 00:49:42,290
It's not about death.
906
00:49:42,292 --> 00:49:45,493
It's a state of mind
and heart that helps us
907
00:49:45,495 --> 00:49:47,527
see the truth.
908
00:49:47,529 --> 00:49:51,198
Not some far off
day of judgment.
909
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,937
It's here, it's now.
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