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REPORTER: Y'all, we are awaiting
Space Shuttle Columbia,
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as we promised.
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About ready to land at the
Kennedy Space Center in Florida.
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It's supposed to happen
in about 15 more minutes.
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At the runway, there was just
a lot of energy in the air,
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and so, as a kid, you just
kind of ride that energy.
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But all of the waiting
just felt like an eternity.
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Here we go! Woo!
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There's this big countdown clock.
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I just remember staring
at that clock,
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watching every second go down.
I'm like, "ls it now? ls it now?"
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I don't know what I expected
when I saw that clock.
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Like, for them to just magically
arrive when it reached zero?
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lain was very excited.
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Mom's coming home and, you know,
he's going to get Mom hugs,
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erm, great meals...
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You know,
life will be back to normal.
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It is now 9am on the East Coast.
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Take a look outside. If you hear a
"boom-boom", it's the Space Shuttle.
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Somebody from NASA said, "You'll
see the big, kind of, parachute
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"that pops out of the back."
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I think that's probably
what I was most excited about,
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just watching
the parachute come out.
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But then the clock started
counting back up.
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It went zero, negative one,
negative two...
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Where's the double sonic boom?
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No sonic boom.
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I'm kind of looking at
all the other families,
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but no-one was really
saying anything.
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You could kind of feel the air
shift a little bit.
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There's no Space Shuttle.
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I just got this incredible pit
in my stomach...
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...of fear and of anxiety.
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A rush of adrenaline
that you just...
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You know something's wrong.
Something's wrong.
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The shuttle is the most complicated
space machine ever built.
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The world's greatest
electric flying machine.
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It has been a bad day for NASA.
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A sense of tragedy
in the space program me,
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and as word spreads
across the nation...
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There are no simple
and easy answers.
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We are doing everything
we possibly can
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to find out what caused
this accident.
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All the warning signs were there.
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This didn't have to happen.
We let it happen.
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Houston, UHF comm check.
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M|LA's not reporting any RF
at this time.
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When are you expecting
tracking?
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One minute ago, Flight.
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Flight, GC. No C-band yet.
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COPY-
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C-band is a radar
that sits on the ground
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and literally it sends out
a signal and it bounces it
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off of the spacecraft
to tell us where it is.
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But we were getting nothing.
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You know, the room was just silent.
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All right, Miles, back over to you.
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Erm, we've got a little problem
on the Space Shuttle Columbia.
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It has been out of communication
now for the past 12 minutes.
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Let's take a look at a live picture
of mission control in Houston.
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I was live on morning TV.
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I was dialled into NASA
on a cellphone I had.
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There was a secret phone number
you could dial into
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and hear the mission audio.
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The people in the control room are
going, "Are you hearing this?"
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No further communications with the
spacecraft about 8am Central Time...
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Hang on, let's listen in.
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...and no further tracking data from
the spacecraft that was gained from
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C-band tracking radar at the Merritt
Island tracking station in Florida.
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My team was in the control room and
they were like, "This is serious.
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"We need to get Miles
off that couch."
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Ancl as I was making my way across
the newsroom to this other set,
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I literally started heaving.
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The last communications
with the Shuttle Columbia
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during its descent from orbit
were at about 8am Central Time...
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Standing on the side of the runway,
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realising that my biggest fear
is coming true.
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I just dropped my head
and turned around,
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shaking my head, just walked away.
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There wasn't anything else
you could do.
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We are a minute-and-a-half past
the scheduled landing time.
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The Space Shuttle is not here.
This has never happened before.
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All of a sudden,
the astronaut family escorts,
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all of their cellphones
start simultaneously ringing.
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We realised something's
seriously wrong, and I said,
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"Let's get the families... Let's
get them back to crew quarters."
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Wow.
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Oh, my goodness.
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Oh!
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It looks like we've got a van,
probably full of family members
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of the astronauts, being
driven away. That's not good.
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I remember grabbing Mom's arm
and saying, "Mom, is Daddy OK?"
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Ancl I was just kind of staring
out of the window,
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trying to figure out
what was happening.
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I can just hear my mom and the
driver just kind of whispering
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in a hushed tone, like,
"What does this mean?"
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From WFAA TV, Channel 8,
The Spirit of Texas.
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We're going to suspend
our normal format right now
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because we've got
some breaking news.
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This is videotape
of the Space Shuttle Columbia
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on its way to a scheduled
landing this morning.
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But then we began to see this...
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It looks like you can see pieces
of the shuttle coming off.
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There you can see numerous streams
leaving some kind of trail
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over the skies of Texas.
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The Space Shuttle over Nacogdoches?
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What is... What is happening?
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We had just gone through 9/11
and at first I thought,
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"Did somebody blow it up?"
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It was probably a reasonable thought
that a lot of people had,
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that it could be something
terrorist-related,
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even in this small rural area,
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because you never know
where that might take place.
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Phones were ringing off the hook.
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Much more than our dispatch staff
could handle.
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There was mass confusion.
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We can only hope that what
we're seeing is not the worst,
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but we don't have any confirmation.
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Well, they were reporting
what they knew on TV,
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but here we knew that it was
falling all over our county,
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and so immediately
I picked up my camcorder.
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This was something
that was going to be big.
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Oh, my goodness.
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I wonder what that is.
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A large piece of debris right in
the middle of their parking lot,
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behind the bank.
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You see this? This is parts of it.
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That's where it hit.
That's where it hit and bounced.
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Well, it's up in a tree over here.
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It must have come right
through there. Golly!
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That's pretty big.
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It was just chaos.
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Y'all didn't touch it or anything,
did you? No, mam.
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You don't understand.
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You don't comprehend the massiveness
of what's happening.
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It became pretty obvious that...
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...the worst had happened.
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It was just shocking.
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People waking up
to this horrible news.
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Quite frankly, I turned and looked
across a big open ploughed field,
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and there, in fact,
is a piece of smoking wreckage.
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This blackened material,
letting out white-hot smoke.
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There's some rubber
burning in our pasture.
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They're reporting a piece
of wreckage came through
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an apartment roof
and started a fire.
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Catastrophe striking
the Space Shuttle Columbia.
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Its crew of seven astronauts...
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Right now, NASA will be
trying to make sense
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of what happened in the skies
over Texas.
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GC, Flight. Flight, ac.
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Lock the doors. Copy.
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I was starting to see the beginning
of the process for shut down,
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preserve your data,
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because it's going to be needed
later, for investigation.
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No... No phone calls off-site
outside of this room,
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our discussions are on these loops,
on the recorded DVIS loops only.
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No data, no phone calls, no
transmissions anywhere, into or out.
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I remember turning around
and seeing Leroy...
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...and he had...he had a tear
going down his cheek.
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That was...that was a hard moment.
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I glanced up and I saw an engineer,
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I remember her eyes
and cheeks were wet.
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She was sobbing and crying.
And she looked at me and she said,
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"There's nothing
we could have done."
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And all my pent-up frustration
and anger just came out
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and I said, "I've been hearing
that damn stuff all week
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"and I'm sick and tired of it!"
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I think I was more angry than sad,
thinking,
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this didn't have to happen.
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It didn't have to happen.
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We were told, "We're going to
take you to crew quarters",
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and so we were just kind of taken
to this huge boardroom.
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It's this big long table, many
chairs, and all of these TV screens.
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Ancl all of the screens were off.
Everything was off.
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We were all together,
waiting in this room,
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but as a kid, I was just looking
around to see if I could,
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kind of, figure out
what was going down.
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I remember going
in the conference room...
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...and, erm...
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...it was my job to
tell the families.
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I can't remember exactly
how I said it.
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That, erm...
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That the crew is lost -
that they were not coming home.
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I didn't want them to have
any kind of false hope, and...
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..| just did it in the most...
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...caring, compassionate way
that I could.
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It's almost like,
from what I remember,
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there was, like, a ringing in my
ear.
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Like, I don't know what was
being said or what, like...
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And, you know, I just...
You can't even process that.
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This is not happening.
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There's no way this is happening.
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In my mind, I'm thinking,
kind of, like,
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the spaceship is like a cruise ship.
There are lifeboats.
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Surely they got on a lifeboat,
you know?
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And, you know, somebody has just
got to go get them, cos...
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I'm thinking of like, you know,
all of the science fiction movies
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where they get into the little pods
and they zoom away from the danger.
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Somehow they had survived
the crash in the ocean somewhere,
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and they were all out
living on an island.
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There was explosive crying.
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If you've ever heard an animal
scream in agony or...
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It was... It was primal.
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It was... It was horrific.
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Everything just fell apart.
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The shuttle wasn't coming home.
Dad wasn't coming home.
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Sorry.
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These were husbands and fathers
and wives, gone.
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A fair amount of rookies
on this particular one.
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Somehow I just got my act together
and I just started talking.
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The mission appeared to go well.
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There was one thing that engineers
were looking at at launch.
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We're going to try to get you
some tape of it.
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There was a piece of debris
which came off the shuttle.
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I'm going to bring in a model here.
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I felt like it was my responsibility
to talk about the foam strike,
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to get it out there in the public,
so...
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..| talked to the folks in the
control room and I said, you know,
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"Can you cue-up the launch replays?"
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All right, let's take a look at this
launch. If we can run that through
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the telestrator,
that would be very helpful.
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Look what happened
a minute after launch.
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Look at this very, very slow...
Look at that piece, right there.
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What was that?
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There was a piece of debris which
struck the shuttle as it came off.
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Was it a piece of foam?
Was it a piece of ice?
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The question was, what did it do?
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I still didn't know for sure.
I still was the armchair analyst.
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But Challenger was deep
in our memory
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and this was a similar scenario.
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In the wake of Challenger,
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NASA management just tried to
shut everything down,
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and it created a huge amount of
bad blood between the media...
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It made NASA look guilty as hell.
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How will they respond to this?
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What is this going to do
to the space program me?
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The second shuttle craft lost.
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It was my worst nightmare.
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Painful.
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Such a searing memory of Challenger
and how much it had defined NASA.
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This was the very last thing I had
thought that I would be reporting
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to the President on this day
or any other day.
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I called the White House,
told him that we don't know a lot
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but we have just lost Shuttle
Columbia. This was my duty...
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...to be responsible
for this accident.
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My fellow Americans...
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...this day has brought terrible news
and great sadness to our country.
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The Columbia is lost.
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There are no survivors.
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All Americans today
are thinking as well
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of the families of these
men and women
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who have been given
this sudden shock and grief.
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They gave their lives for us
and we want everybody to know
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how much we appreciate that,
especially their families,
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because it's the most precious gift
they could give.
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When we drove up in front
of our house...
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...our whole street,
all of our neighbours,
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were standing outside of
our house to welcome us.
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just hugged and cried in the street.
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We walk into the house that
my brother and I had decorated
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to welcome my clad home,
and now we have to take this down.
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Like, this is.... He's not here.
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We were home...
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...but it wasn't the same.
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The solution for the first day
was...
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...drink alcohol and talk.
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I mean, drinking - a lot.
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Until I'm just passed out.
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Going home, you go through it
all over again.
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You realise...
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...she's not going to come back.
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So it was kind of hopeless.
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Nothing really matters any more.
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I mean, honestly,
the only goal I had...
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...was simply just to keep him alive.
I mean, literally.
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It's like, I don't want him to get
to that despondent stage where
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he just says, you know, "|'m going
to check out and join Mom now."
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This happened under my watch.
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But I didn't have the answers.
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In every public forum
I'm going to have to be in,
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how am I going to explain this
to anybody?
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We're going to find out, we hope,
in a few minutes, what NASA knows.
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NASA, as an agency, will have a
lot of tough, pointed questions,
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asking specifics.
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At this time we have no indication
that the mishap was caused
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by anything or anyone on the ground.
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Welcome to the Johnson Space Center.
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To my left is Ron Dittemore.
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He's the Space Shuttle
Programme Manager.
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We're devastated...
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...because of the events
that unfolded this morning.
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Do you have any idea how much of a
damage area may have been left on
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the left wing and how big that
piece of foam was that came off?
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Tell me who's leading
this investigation.
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We'd heard some reports
that during launch
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there had been some concerns
that some debris hit the wing.
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ls that true and is that
any cause of concern that
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that could have caused
today's problems?
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It is true. It was judged
that that event
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did not represent a safety concern.
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We have appointed
a Mishap Investigation Board,
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an external group, people who are
independent from NASA, to ascertain
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the causes and the circumstances
under which the tragedy occurred.
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My thoughts are on what we missed...
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...what I missed...
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...to allow this to happen,
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but I guarantee you
we're going to fix it.
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I was playing tennis
in McLean, Virginia.
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I received a phone call...
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...saying that I would be
flown immediately
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to Barksdale Air Force Base.
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After Challenger,
NASA had a contingency plan
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in case there was
a shuttle accident.
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I never really imagined
that it would happen.
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With Columbia, we had people
who had experience
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with accident investigation
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from the military, Navy
and Air Force, on the team.
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I came to the investigation
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as a helicopter pilot
who knew something
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about doing accident investigations.
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I did not come to the investigation
as a Space Shuttle expert.
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I literally knew nothing about
how the shuttle was put together.
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We needed NASA's help
because, by definition,
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everybody who came in as an external
part of the investigation team
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is not a Space Shuttle expert.
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There was years
of shuttle program me knowledge
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that we needed to learn
very quickly.
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From what we understand,
a piece of foam insulation
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came off during lift-off.
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This piece hit part of
the left side of the shuttle
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and they don't know
if there was any damage or not.
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Very early on, NASA told us that
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they knew about a foam...a debris
event.
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But we didn't even know
enough about the shuttle
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to understand that there
was foam on the tanks.
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The press wants to know what
happened, and it's like...
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...yep, so do we.
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REPORTER: The recovery effort
is massive,
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involving dozens of agencies,
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covering many hundreds
of square miles.
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It's the largest recovery effort
that has ever been attempted
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in this country.
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As an investigator,
I wanted as ironclad a case
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as we could possibly have
for the sequence of events
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leading to the cause of the crash
of Space Shuttle Columbia.
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But if we were going to do that,
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we needed to collect all the debris
and reconstruct the shuttle.
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1,200 sites have been identified.
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All those pieces will be brought
to the Kennedy Space Center,
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where Columbia will be reassembled,
in a manner-of-speaking.
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Literally thousands of pieces of
debris are now pieces to a puzzle.
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They've already made hundreds
of finds,
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from tiny scraps of metal
to whole panels...
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...and the tragic but inevitable
discovery of human remains.
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A spacecraft breaking up
at 190,000 feet.
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It's something you couldn't,
like, get out of your mind.
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I mean, I'd been in space before.
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This was something
I was about to do again.
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Ancl then this horrific thing
happens to my classmates,
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my co-workers, friends.
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So I called the constable ancl I
said, "Hey, I need a helicopter.
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"I've got to get to East Texas."
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On the way, you could see there
were pieces of Space Shuttle,
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thousands and thousands of pieces,
all over the place.
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So, we land on the high school...
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...it was a high school
football field, and, erm...
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...a police officer said to me,
he says,
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"Hey, we have a report of one
of the crew members' bodies."
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I was the first person there
from NASA.
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This was not something
I was trained for.
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We just try to do the best job
we can to handle this
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as respectfully as possible.
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For decades, the American space
program me has been a source
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of great technological innovation.
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But that hard-won reputation
is looking badly knocked.
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For many of the thousands who work
at the Lyndon Johnson Space Center
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in Houston, today was the first day
back at work since the disaster.
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They'd apparently been encouraged
not to talk to the press.
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The investigators rented a building
right outside the gate.
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I felt OK.
I felt, "This is a good thing,
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"this has to happen,
I hope they're thorough."
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Inside, the internal conflict
was building.
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Getting angry at management,
and it was very public arguments.
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It wasn't just one-on-one.
It was out in the hallways.
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It was so accusatory.
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There was so much anger
and frustration.
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On the first clay that we went
into johns on Space Center,
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there were people who
received us very well.
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There were people who were
not happy that we were here.
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I was one of the first people
to be...
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...interviewed and interrogated.
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They had access to everything -
all videos, all data, all emails.
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People had to comply.
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In some cases, we're asking for
data, and they'd be like,
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"I can't give you that
information right now.
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"You're going to have to
go up through
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"a very formal NASA chain
of command to be approved."
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Generally speaking, who were
the ones who were less keen
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for your help, or less pleased
you were there, perhaps?
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I think the folks that were probably
less interested in our help
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were more at the management level
in NASA.
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I call it the Managers' Club.
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It's a type of a culture
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where there are rules of behaviour
and ways of talking.
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You don't jump the chain of command.
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And that's insulting, to go up to
someone higher and ask directly.
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You're supposed to co-ordinate all
your questions, especially harsh
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or strong questions to managers.
You don't do that directly.
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You use the intermediaries
to do that.
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You don't talk bluntly
or pose questions like that
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to a NASA manager.
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Are you going to risk your career
in NASA by standing up
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and arguing with
the chain of command?
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Because that can be
very career limiting
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and you find yourself shuffled off
into a windowless room
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and, you know,
just going through paperwork.
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I want the system, I want the NASA
manager culture, confronted.
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Good afternoon, everybody,
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and welcome to the johns on Space
Center for today's briefing.
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Again joining me is Shuttle
Programme Manager Ron Dittemore.
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Today, I brought with me...
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...a piece of foam, and I think we've
made some foam available to you,
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so that you can get an understanding
of the composition of this material.
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It's very lightweight,
which is logical.
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You would want it to be lightweight
because the more weight you put
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on the tank, the less up-mass
you could launch into an orbit.
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So it's difficult for us to believe
as engineers, as management,
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and as a team, that this particular
piece of foam debris
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shedding from the tank represented
a safety-of-flight issue.
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I caught some segment
that Ron got into
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in which he said in
a declarative voice...
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Right now, it just does not make
sense to us that a piece of debris
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would be the root cause...
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...for the loss of Columbia
and its crew.
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There's got to be another reason.
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How can he say that?
Where is he getting that from?
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What a big denial.
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To be certain it was foam
is nonsense, right?
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But to be certain it wasn't foam
is equally nonsense, right?
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Ancl that's what they were saying.
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It's not foam. Well, how do you
know?
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I know from the accident
investigation team's perspective,
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no-one was going to go public and
say, "We know what didn't happen."
444
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,735
Can you get that shot right there?
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That's a NASA official.
He's holding a piece of foam,
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which he is now saying could not
have had enough impact because
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it's too light to have damaged those
tiles that we've been talking about.
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I knew Ron, I had respect for Ron,
Ron was Linda Ham's boss,
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and a good manager,
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but what's always the first step
in...in grief?
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Denial.
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I called Ron and we had
a very brief conversation.
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I said, "Ron, let me just
remind you, OK?
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"We've got a clear understanding
that we are not going to
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"eliminate ANYTHING until
the data has come in
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"to definitively eliminate it."
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To bring that out and dismiss it,
you know, pre-emptively,
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I think speaks volumes.
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At the very least
they had to acknowledge it,
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but it was acknowledging
their own mistakes.
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And that's hard to do.
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Each week, there was a new
trailer-load of debris showed up,
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came right in this hangar,
through those doors,
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and it would be catalogued
and then put out on the floor.
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I want to know what the debris
is telling us,
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I want to know what the
aerodynamics are telling us,
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and I want to know what
the sensors are telling us.
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You know, follow the debris.
What's it telling you?
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Ancl if you follow the logic,
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you begin to see pieces
that are telling you a story.
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As we were progressing through
the left-wing reconstruction,
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you can see these burned tiles.
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This reinforced carbon-carbon
looks like it's been burned
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in a way that's very different
than everything else.
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All of that data pointed to
a problem at RCC Panel #8.
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Something very different happened
in this location on the orbiter
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and so let's go see if we
can understand what that was.
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OK, so as the vehicle is
entering the atmosphere,
479
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,495
these black tiles are protecting
the structure,
480
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,975
the aluminium of the vehicle,
in high-heat areas,
481
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,375
and the grey is the wing leading
edge reinforced carbon-carbon -
482
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,175
RCC panels.
483
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,975
Those protect the vehicle
from the highest level of heat,
484
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:57,455
those 3,000-degree temperatures,
so that you don't get metal melting.
485
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:06,335
But we had never had any experience
in breaking a panel.
486
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:16,495
What was starting to join up was,
you've got video analysis
487
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,695
that says the strike on the orbiter
created a hole in the wing.
488
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,855
Ancl you can see that there had
been some sort of penetration
489
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,455
against the RCC panel.
490
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,215
Hot gas had entered
491
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,215
and the shuttle had lost
aerodynamic control and crashed.
492
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:44,055
But I think the challenge
for a lot of folks at NASA
493
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,695
was believing that foam
had clone that.
494
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:53,815
They would say foam can't break
reinforced carbon-carbon.
495
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,655
There were a lot of people that said
496
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,855
there's something else
that explains this.
497
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,655
There are dramatic new details
tonight from NASA
498
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,815
on what scientists knew and when
they knew it about possible trouble
499
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,895
that could put the Columbia
Shuttle astronauts' lives in danger.
500
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,375
The Observer moves the story
forward, saying that there have been
501
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,695
repeated warnings about safety at
NASA over the past couple of years.
502
00:34:19,240 --> 00:34:22,775
We decided to ask NASA about
the history of foam strikes,
503
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,615
which had never been clone.
504
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,735
I was asked by the accident
investigation team
505
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,815
to help find that type
of information.
506
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,775
I went through a database...
507
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,935
...and I was shocked to find
that there were over
508
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,695
a half a dozen occurrences.
509
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,815
We turned that in
to the investigation board
510
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,535
and I said, "You're not going to
believe this. Take a look at this."
511
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:55,335
1983 was the first bipod ramp
foam loss.
512
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,735
1990.
513
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,375
1992.
514
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,055
'92 again.
515
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,935
1994.
516
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,215
As well as those bigger pieces,
we saw small pieces of foam
517
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:12,255
fall away all the time -
what we call "popcorning".
518
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,975
Think of popcorn. When popcorn pops,
it pops up and comes out,
519
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,455
and so that's what we called it -
"popcorning".
520
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,175
They weren't very big,
so you're not talking about
521
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,615
much damage to the tiles,
522
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,095
and so it had become
the norm at NASA.
523
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,535
This mantra, "|t's only foam,
it's only foam."
524
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,735
"Hey, we see foam loss all the time
and it never did any damage
525
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,575
"to the vehicle and we don't have
to worry about it. It's only foam".
526
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:49,455
Two missions before Columbia,
it happened on STS-112 Atlantis.
527
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,455
A significant strike hit the skirt
of the solid rocket booster
528
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,455
and actually put a dent in it.
529
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:05,095
Prior to the launch of Columbia,
530
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,935
in a couple of the meetings,
the topic of foam
531
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,255
coming off 112 came up.
532
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,935
There's probably, erm...
533
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,495
..15 to 20 people around the table,
534
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,935
and then there's a lot of other
people at NASA in the room.
535
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,495
We talked about starting to
look into this a little bit more
536
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,895
because we've seen it come off on,
you know, more than one flight now.
537
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,455
It could certainly be an issue
and we should understand
538
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,455
if there's a way to prevent it.
539
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:40,935
Late October of 2002,
after STS-112 Atlantis,
540
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,455
I went to a meeting
about that flight.
541
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,495
I had put together a report
542
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,735
about the foam loss and the damage
to the solid rocket booster,
543
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,375
and I presented the case
that said...
544
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,575
...that amount of foam, that mass,
545
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,935
in one chunk,
coming off Shuttle Atlantis...
546
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,935
...this was the vehicle telling us
something is wrong,
547
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,855
here's your warning.
548
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:16,455
At risk of being insubordinate,
I said to the heads
549
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,455
of the Shuttle Programme
sitting around the centre table,
550
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:24,255
I was adamant at that meeting,
either fix the problem
551
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,935
or don't fly an external tank on the
next launch, which is impossible.
552
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:37,655
From that meeting, I never
heard any discussion of...
553
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,495
.."Let's wait and see if we can
solve some of this.
554
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,975
"Let's get a better understanding
of this before
555
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,055
"we schedule the next launch."
None of that I ever heard.
556
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,815
In other words, again,
they were thinking it was more
557
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,935
of a turnaround issue,
and so it wasn't preventing
558
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,855
shuttle flights from going forward.
559
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,935
The pressure on the management team
to stay on schedule
560
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:04,375
and the concept of "it's just foam"
561
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,215
is leading the charge
through all of this.
562
00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:10,655
So it wasn't like they weren't
talking about issues at all,
563
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,175
but there certainly was
a big focus on the schedule.
564
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:21,855
Here's an email.
It's Tuesday, January 21st.
565
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,895
This was sent six clays
into the Columbia mission.
566
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,295
This is a private exchange between
Linda Ham and Ron Dittemore,
567
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,175
two of the top managers
in the program me.
568
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,455
"The external tank rationale
for flight for the STS-112
569
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,695
"loss of foam was lousy.
570
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,735
"The rationale states
we haven't changed anything,
571
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,735
"we haven't experienced any safety
flight damage in 112 flights."
572
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,695
The concluding sentence, "Rationale
was lousy then and still is."
573
00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:02,615
What I take that to mean is that
Linda Ham is raising a concern
574
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,535
but they appear to rely on the fact
that previous flights
575
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,815
which had suffered this foam loss
had returned safely.
576
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,135
In other words,
"We've gotten away with this."
577
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:18,735
This is a failure to learn
from past similar events,
578
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,655
simply because those flights did
not have catastrophic consequences.
579
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:27,695
The classic... The classic
normalisation of deviance.
580
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:35,215
You have to make sure
that every incident
581
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:39,455
is thoroughly investigated
and properly assessed.
582
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,335
And that wasn't done
for the 112 foam loss.
583
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,215
People were saying they were
willing to accept the risk.
584
00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:50,455
What they didn't understand is
how much risk they were accepting.
585
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,735
After the 112 loss,
people were starting to say,
586
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,935
"Maybe we're accepting
too much risk."
587
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,175
Yeah, I was concerned, you know...
588
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,455
As I said, the, erm...
589
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,935
The sense that the risk was greater
than we should be expecting,
590
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,695
was starting to surface.
591
00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:14,095
We were moving
in the right direction,
592
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,735
we just didn't get there in time.
593
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,455
We should have never launched
Columbia
594
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,135
until we fixed that problem.
595
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,775
Lisa Stark with ABC News.
596
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,735
When you realised that you had this
debris that had struck the shuttle
597
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,655
and you started your analysis,
what was the discussion about
598
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,135
trying to take a look either through
satellites or these large telescopes
599
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,175
that the military has? And why was
the decision made not to try that?
600
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,495
We certainly had that discussion.
601
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:58,295
We believed that taking a picture,
looking for tile damage,
602
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,215
it does not show us the depth of
tile that may have been shaved off.
603
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:04,735
We cannot make a determination
conclusively
604
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,135
whether that represents
a concern or not.
605
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,935
Linda, reading through the
transcripts, in hindsight,
606
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,735
were you sufficiently open
to the idea
607
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,615
that this was a really
serious problem?
608
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,975
You're asking in 20-20 hindsight
or what my thought was then?
609
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,015
Well, it sounds like you were
just kind of seeking reassurance
610
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,935
that everything was OK,
as opposed to digging in
611
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,215
and saying, "How do we know this?"
612
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:33,375
I didn't have a preconceived notion
on the damage or the possible
613
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,055
consequences and I needed to wait
for them to complete their work.
614
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,495
The best experts at our disposal
concluded
615
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,375
that it was a minor problem,
not a significant problem.
616
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,295
They had clone the engineering
assessment and evaluated it.
617
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,375
They said the worst case on the RCC
would be coating damage,
618
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,975
which would not be
a flight safety issue.
619
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,495
And when you added all that up,
there was no need to take pictures
620
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,215
to document any evidence, because
we believed it to be superficial
621
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:05,255
and it to be a turnaround issue
and not a safety issue.
622
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,175
And so we didn't take any pictures.
623
00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:12,815
Had we known that there was a
catastrophic situation on orbit,
624
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,455
we certainly would have clone
everything we could... Absolutely
625
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,495
Did you know that other people
at NASA, other departments,
626
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,495
were also requesting images
during the mission?
627
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,455
I did not know at the time.
I did not know.
628
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,135
'n.
629
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,455
I'm not aware of anybody else
during the mission saying that.
630
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,495
I only learned later
that there really were
631
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,455
people outside of our team that were
trying to do something about it.
632
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:52,495
I had no idea what was happening
because there was no communication.
633
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,015
I'm not in the loop,
I'm not in the know.
634
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,575
Nobody's talking to each other
and so nobody knows what's going on.
635
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,455
That's just kind of the way it was.
636
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,615
NASA is a series of fiefdoms.
637
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,775
Ten separate centres, each of them
have their own responsibilities.
638
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,255
But there isn't necessarily
a lot of exchange of knowledge
639
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:20,975
across those silos.
640
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,935
Frankly, the system is not designed
for good communication.
641
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,975
But that's not an excuse
642
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,695
because this foam problem
was not a new problem.
643
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,655
It was ignored right up until
an opportunity
644
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:41,975
to intervene presented itself,
and then that opportunity
645
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,695
to get a spy satellite
to take a look was dismissed.
646
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,935
This sort of stick to your guns
of...
647
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,455
...convincing yourself that it's OK.
648
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,455
That just made matters worse.
649
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:05,975
Why would you not
just get the pictures
650
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,695
that could show the damage
and then work the problem?
651
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:10,455
Erm...
652
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:16,335
I could only deal with the data
that was presented to me.
653
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,495
The whole situation was a case
of people doing...
654
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,095
...their jobs
as they understood them.
655
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,455
But I think everybody was operating
with good faith. There was no...
656
00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:36,215
I wouldn't say malfeasance,
but negligence...
657
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:39,375
There may have been... I don't
even think there was negligence.
658
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,455
I just think that the actions
we took were inadequate
659
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,935
for the problem we were facing.
660
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,455
I think there was a mindset
and sort of a hope
661
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:59,215
that we've seen foam strikes before
662
00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:03,215
and it's never caused
a safety flight issue,
663
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:05,615
so we're assuming
that's the case here.
664
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,775
But not a sure thing.
665
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,495
It seemed like by staying ignorant
of the degree of damage,
666
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,535
the mission management team
perhaps didn't want to know
667
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,095
about the worst-case scenario.
668
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,975
At this point, from our work
in the hangar,
669
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,135
I think we have enough information
to say
670
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,575
that we've found the physical cause
of the shuttle crash.
671
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,135
But there were still people at NASA
who didn't believe
672
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,015
that foam could break
reinforced carbon-carbon.
673
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,495
At that point, the only question
that was really left
674
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,975
to tie the whole chain of events
together was,
675
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,935
does foam break
reinforced carbon-carbon?
676
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:14,295
We're here at Southwest Research
Institute in San Antonio, Texas,
677
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:19,055
to conduct a test
designed to show whether foam
678
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,895
that fell off the external tank
of the Columbia Orbiter
679
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,455
could create a hole big enough
to destroy the vehicle.
680
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,335
How does NASA move forward
if we don't do the foam test?
681
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,015
We need to do this.
682
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:38,855
Everything came down to
whether or not the foam shot
683
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,815
was going to break an RCC panel.
684
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,495
But if our investigative analysis
is wrong,
685
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,655
then what?
686
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,735
Five, four, three, two, one.
687
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,175
Whoa!
688
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:12,615
OK, foam will break
reinforced carbon-carbon
689
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,935
I mean, there was no doubt at
that point, right? Case closed.
690
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,775
There's no denying it.
691
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,455
You know, there was foam falling
from clay one.
692
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,815
They should have had
that test clone clay two.
693
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,455
This was a known failure.
694
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,895
But I think the failure
to imagine being wrong,
695
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,415
the failure to imagine
the consequences of failure
696
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,215
were catastrophic.
697
00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:51,855
Ancl I think it's this whole notion
of the failure to imagine failure.
698
00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:59,615
NASA's trying to move forward
after Tuesday's blistering report,
699
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,975
blaming it for failing to prevent
the Shuttle Columbia tragedy.
700
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,815
NASA stands accused of complacency,
of a flawed safety culture,
701
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,215
of major management failures.
702
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:13,135
This stinging report, with its 29
recommendations, is not just about
703
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,255
technical failures,
but also about a human failure.
704
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,735
NASA had conflicting goals
of cost, schedule and safety.
705
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,735
It's our view that clearly
there is still evidence
706
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,695
of a silent safety program me
with echoes of Challenger.
707
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:30,735
They knew about the foam.
708
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:35,415
They could take pictures
and people chose not to.
709
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:42,095
Pure grief and sadness turned into
more of, like, anger and disgust.
710
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:47,095
NASA was something
that I was so proud of
711
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,215
because my clad loved it
712
00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:53,935
and it felt almost like
they had betrayed him.
713
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,975
It kind of became this
inner struggle in me of...
714
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,935
...how can I hate this thing that,
like, my clad loved so much?
715
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,895
Why?
716
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,935
Why? Those are the questions
that you can't answer.
717
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,375
The only...the only reason...
718
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,695
...was because of the way they made
decisions within that culture.
719
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,215
If there was damage, could it
have been detected in space
720
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:26,175
and some rescue plan conceived?
We'll never know.
721
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,495
Astronauts learn of the foam hit.
722
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,535
They are sent this grainy video
and an email that dismisses
723
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,855
the foam hit as, quote,
"not even worth mentioning".
724
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,855
Knowing that concerns had been
downplayed to the crew,
725
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,575
I felt angry.
726
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,055
I mean, I just was extremely
disappointed.
727
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,215
I think that Rick would have
wanted to have known
728
00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:52,095
that something was very wrong
with the vehicle.
729
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,615
One of the things that I thought
was such an indictment
730
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,975
was that the astronauts were
expected to successfully fly
731
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,335
this multimillion dollar mission
and were given that responsibility,
732
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,175
but they had no authority.
733
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,495
In terms of a hypothetical,
and I think other people
734
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,575
in senior levels that probably
felt the same way,
735
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,375
if we knew that the crew
wasn't going to survive,
736
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,895
why would we tell them?
Why wouldn't we let them
737
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,895
just carry out their mission
and feel like they were successful?
738
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,975
I regret that I didn't do more,
but given what we know now,
739
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,255
it's unlikely anything I could have
done would have made a difference.
740
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,775
I feel ashamed.
741
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,935
So, who's guilty? I'm not just going
to say the program me managers are.
742
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,735
We're all guilty.
743
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,375
If you don't speak up
for your own system
744
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,335
and you're the victims of this
environment, we're guilty, too.
745
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:04,255
Yes, there were individuals
who made very poor decisions.
746
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,975
You need to embrace
dissenting opinions,
747
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:13,975
and if somebody says, "Hey, let's
get better data to make a decision",
748
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,175
why is getting better data
a problem?
749
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,175
But, I mean, I was in mission
control, I was a NASA employee,
750
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:24,975
I knew about the foam strike.
751
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,215
When there's blame that's laid out,
I'm right up there saying, "I knew."
752
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,775
And... And I wish I could have
done something differently
753
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,815
but I...| can't undo that, and it...
754
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,375
You can just make it better
for those that follow.
755
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,895
I fought, but I share
some of the blame
756
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,255
that says maybe I could have
fought harder.
757
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,735
But the thing I can't get past is,
758
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:59,135
if we knew entry was going to
cause loss of the vehicle
759
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,295
and loss of the crew, there are
things we can do as human beings.
760
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,655
Ancl that is, for the families, the
chance to be able to say goodbye.
761
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,535
That wasn't afforded to anyone.
762
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,775
Ancl that's always haunted me.
763
00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:23,255
Sorry.
764
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,095
During the mission,
I could have easily clone a story
765
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,055
because I saw the foam come off.
766
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,135
While NASA is saying it's nothing,
some engineers believed
767
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,935
there might be some concern.
What if I had clone that?
768
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,815
I was the one who could have, you
know, should have and could have
769
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,975
owned that story in a way
that potentially
770
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,295
even might have changed
the course of events.
771
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:59,935
I didn't stay on that story, in
order to go be the person explaining
772
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:02,855
all the clever ways we were
going to kill people in Iraq.
773
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,775
Ancl maybe I was doing
what NASA was doing.
774
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,015
I was sweeping it all under the rug.
775
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,975
Ancl so I'm part of the problem,
you know? I'm complicit.
776
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,215
If you could say anything to those
individuals, the managers,
777
00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:34,175
the engineers, the top bosses at
NASA who made those decisions,
778
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,175
what would you say now?
779
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,775
Yeah, erm...
780
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,455
I never really thought about it,
but I guess I would want them
781
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,455
to know that I forgive them
782
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,175
and that my family forgives them.
783
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:54,935
Ancl that I can't imagine
what they went through,
784
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,215
having to make those decisions.
785
00:53:57,240 --> 00:54:00,095
Like, that breaks my heart
thinking about it.
786
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:01,535
Erm...
787
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,215
But just that I'm not angry
about it any more.
788
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:09,135
Ancl it happened,
but I don't blame them.
789
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,575
I don't think that
they're bad people.
790
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,495
In the end, after I go down
that journey of what-if'ing
791
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,695
and if someone had done this,
if someone had not done that,
792
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:22,775
in the end, it all comes out
the same - that the crew perished,
793
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,735
that everyone died.
794
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,935
And so, for me,
I had to very, erm...
795
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:33,495
...purposely make a decision that
this was not going to be something
796
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,975
that was going to define me
for the rest of my life -
797
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,375
that I was going to be
on a mission to fix that
798
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,975
or on a mission to be angry about
that or make people pay for it.
799
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,695
I mean, none of that was a path
I wanted to go on at all.
800
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:50,495
And God has been very merciful
to help me with that,
801
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,855
just to be able
to keep moving forward.
802
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:59,495
You know, I just prayed and hoped
that NASA learned from this.
803
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,215
That the lessons that they learned
will carry on
804
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:05,735
to future space flights, so that
they won't forget that people
805
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,175
are on the end of
whatever they're doing,
806
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,495
that people's lives are stake.
807
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,375
Rick was an astronaut.
808
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,975
It was something that we always
called a calculated risk
809
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,455
but it was a risk that Rick
decided to take.
810
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,455
And I'm OK with that.
811
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,455
If she had listened to me, you know,
things would have been OK
812
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,855
and she wouldn't have been up there.
813
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,655
I had told her not to go.
814
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:46,175
I was angry that she chose
to take that risk...
815
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,335
...instead of staying with me.
816
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:55,975
Daddy, I'm here!
817
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,175
Hi.
818
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,175
Oh, my gosh.
819
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:06,935
It's crazy over here, right?
820
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:08,575
LAUREL LAUGHS
821
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,455
You need your sunglasses?
822
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,455
Try them on.
823
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,935
This is Laurel,
and she is my daughter.
824
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,455
She has a lot of my mom's spirit.
825
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,935
The same enthusiasm and positivity.
826
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,455
I imagine...
827
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,935
...it would be harder if...
828
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,095
...she wasn't such a great kid.
829
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,175
So I got pretty lucky there.
830
00:56:55,240 --> 00:56:58,935
NASA has released video footage
taken inside the cockpit
831
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,975
of the Space Shuttle Columbia.
832
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,855
It was recorded in the final moments
before the shuttle broke up.
833
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,375
The last part of the tape
was burnt-up in the accident.
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