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[girls laughing]
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[suspenseful music playing]
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[girl screams]
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[Mike] We don't consider him
a suspect in the case anymore.
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We saw leads and tips
drop off dramatically
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after Michael Klunder,
because everybody,
like us,
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assumed that it was Klunder.
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And so we wanted
to pick up the tips
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and tell people
Michael Klunder
right now is off the table,
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and we're going to continue
doing our investigation.
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[Heather] We don't have
any answers of who killed
Elizabeth and Lyric,
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but that person
is still out there.
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Or persons.
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It's unsettling,
to say the least.
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And Evansdale,
you know, it could be
your neighbor.
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You just don't know.
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No parent should have
to go through this.
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Like I wouldn't want
my worst enemy
to go through this.
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I never want this person
to be able to do this
to another family.
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And I want justice
for my girls.
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For the past two years,
Eastern Iowans
have been waiting for answers
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about who kidnapped and killed
two Evansdale cousins.
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After we buried Lyric
and Elizabeth,
I haven't heard
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from one
authoritative figure at all.
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No one. No updates,
no phone calls,
no information.
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There's a lot
of resources involved
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for weeks and weeks and weeks
on the front end of this case,
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and there were some people
that worked it you know,
pretty much nonstop
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for the first couple of years,
but it's hard
to maintain that.
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You know, at some point
it does start to slow down.
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The FBI came in
and they issued
a profile of the killer.
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You know,
one, that they were local.
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They had
to be familiar
with Meyers Lake
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and Seven Bridges
Wildlife Area
in Bremer County.
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The FBI said the killer
may be part of the Evansdale,
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or surrounding area.
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Probably had changed
their appearance recently.
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And that the killer may have
attempted to abduct children,
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or adults in the past.
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[Kent] It would be very,
very unusual
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if this was the first time
they'd acted out.
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Maybe not to this degree.
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But they probably had
inappropriate contact,
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surely, fantasies,
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with other...
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juvenile, prepubescent girls.
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[Lihn] I was doing
breaking news reporting at
the Des Moines Register,
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and during the evening shifts,
I would notice, you know,
every few weeks that summer,
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there had been news releases
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coming from law enforcement
agencies around Iowa.
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We'd get a news release
from one county that said,
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"We got a report that a man
tried to kidnap a girl.
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"She didn't go into the car."
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But two weeks later,
we get another press release.
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And you're like, "Okay,
this summer is there just
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a bunch of different people
trying to abduct kids in Iowa?
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[Drew]I remember that I was
at a police department
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and they had a map
of the state,
and they had these tacks,
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where each one
of his things happened.
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[Lihn] A man approached two
11-year-old girls
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who were walking together
in Colfax, Iowa,
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and he offered both
of them $100 bills.
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One of the girls did get into
the car with him and sat
in the passenger seat.
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He molested her
and touched her
over her clothes.
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And he had made her
touch him as well.
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And she asked him to get
out of the car and he dropped
her off at the library.
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The ages ranged.
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It could be as young
as six to as old
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as 13 in Onawa,
220 miles west of Evansdale.
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One six-year-old girl who
was just walking back home
after school.
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A silver Ford Focus
pulls up to her
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and a man offers her
a $100 bill
to get into his car.
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She immediately rejects
the money, runs off,
goes home,
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and she tells her mom
about the situation.
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I was over at
a neighbor's house and
her daughter come running in.
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She was pale white,
saying some man tried
to abduct her.
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She said he had
a blue shirt, silver car.
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I was just in such disbelief.
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I raced out the door,
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I get in the car,
I see the silver car
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at the end of the block.
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When I pull next
to him, I go,
"Hey, you picking up kids?"
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And that's when he sped off.
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I follow him and
I caught up to him,
and that's when I decided
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like, "Hey, we got to call
the police now,"
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you know.
They were just, like,
you know, "Stay on him,
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"don't lose him,"
you know, I said, "I'm going
at a high rate of speed,
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"upwards of 95 miles an hour."
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They're like,
"Just stay on him,
do not lose him."
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Finally, the state troopers
arrived and he pulled over.
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No incident,
no altercations, got arrested,
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put him in the cop car
and he looked
like a normal guy.
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[Lihn] The police
arrested Jeff Altmayer.
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He's a 58-year-old
from Ankeny, Iowa.
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When police searched
Jeff Altmayer's vehicle
they found Viagra,
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Xanax, they found
over a dozen $100 bills.
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Looking at Jeff Altmayer,
he really wouldn't be on
anyone's radar at all.
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I mean, he was quiet.
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He lived in a suburb
of Des Moines.
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He didn't have any previous
criminal convictions.
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He had a wife and
two adult children
that he lived with.
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He was a vehicle inspector
for an insurance agent.
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And his territory
that he covered
was the entire state of Iowa.
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His job gave him
a huge hunting ground
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to just go into
all these towns and
just be completely anonymous.
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There had been
multiple different cases,
and with the Evansdale case,
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it was two little girls
who were around the same age
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of the girls
that he would try to abduct.
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You know, the closest case
that law enforcement
knew about
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that he was a suspect in
was in Cedar Falls, Iowa,
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which is just a little over
a dozen miles away
from Evansdale.
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It's very close.
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[Scott]When Jeff Altmayer came up,
it would be a logical step
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to make a guy
that's driving around
and trying to entice kids, um,
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he would be a name
that you would want
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to vet through a case
like what we have
with Evansdale.
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[Dan]When I seen Jeff Altmayer's
name in the paper
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absolutely, I was thinking,
somebody like that!
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Are you guys watching him?
You know,
and I'm calling them,
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you know,
talking to DCI and stuff,
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and, you know,
ask some questions
about this guy.
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The only thing
that didn't make sense was
he's let these girls go.
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He wasn't killing them.
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These kind of people,
they might start off
molesting kids,
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and then it kind
of progresses.
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And I don't think you go
backwards after you kill
a couple of kids.
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I think you get more deviant.
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He's gonna do it again
if he hasn't already,
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and he'll do it
until he gets caught.
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[dramatic music playing]
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On February 13th 2017
in Delphi, Indiana,
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another dual
abduction occurred.
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[Trelka] I'm a news junkie.
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So when there is an abduction
of a child in this country,
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the first question
I ask myself,
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"Is this our guy?"
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In the Delphi Indiana case,
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I read the news article,
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and said this could
be the guy.
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[Anna] Delphi is a really
nice small town.
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It's a quiet place to grow up.
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You know, your kids know
all the kids in their class.
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Sports teams are still big
on Friday night.
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It's just a good place
for families,
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and nobody, really, you know,
had a second thought about it.
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Oh, that was right there
in the yard.
That was Mother's Day
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in our matching outfits.
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Our denim jackets.
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This one, um, I took
sitting across from her.
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It was my cousin's
bridal shower,
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and when we had to find,
like, a current picture of her
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even though
it's with the hat,
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it's, like, this is it.
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Abby was, like,
the coolest, kindest kid ever.
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She really cared about people,
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wanted to help out
with everything and everybody.
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Loved sports.
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Tried everything
at least once.
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Stuck with volleyball
for three years,
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Abigail had a lot
of really good friends.
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Libby being one of them.
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Liberty had just turned 14
and Abby would have been
14 in June.
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Her team photos.
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There they are by each other.
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There's Abby,
and there's Libby.
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In the short time
that Libby was here,
she had a passion for life,
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she wanted to get as much
out of it as she could.
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She was an adventurer.
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[Mike] Like we'd go
to a theme park,
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she'd want to ride every ride
that was out there.
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Until she got right up
to the edge, you know?
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And then it was like,
"Uh-oh, we got to go."
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On Monday, February 13th 2017,
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the kids had had a long
winter break weekend,
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so they got Friday
through Monday off.
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Monday ended up being
a gorgeous plus 50 degree day.
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Abby and Libby had stayed over
at Libby's house overnight.
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[Becky] They came down
9:30, ten o'clock.
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Libby's sister Kelsey came in
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and Libby jumped up and said,
"Can she take us
to the trails?"
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[Anna] They got
dropped off a little after
one o'clock that afternoon
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for, you know, an hour long,
picture taking and hike.
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The Monon Trail's main feature
would be the high bridge.
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[train horn blares]
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It's an old railroad bridge.
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Um, it hasn't been
in service for years.
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Old, broken railroad ties.
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But it is a beautiful spot.
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Lots of folks go out
for pictures there.
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A lot of people
enjoy it out there.
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They started
walking the trail.
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Libby's dad, Derek,
would be able to pick them up
hour and a half,
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two hours later,
around three o'clock
that day.
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[cell phone ringing]
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When Derek got out
to the bridge,
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he tried calling and texting
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because the girls weren't
at the immediate pick up spot.
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[cell phone ringing]
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And they didn't answer.
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[Becky] Derek called me
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and said,
"Can you call her
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and see if
she answers for you?"
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So I started calling
and there was no answer.
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[cell phone
continues ringing]
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She doesn't ever
not answer her phone.
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So I'm like,
there's something not right.
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So we decided,
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you know what,
we're going to go
to the trails.
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I'm gonna walk the trails
and see if we can find her.
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Mike come walking up
and he had been searching,
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and I said, "It's going
to be dark soon.
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We need to call the police."
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[Anna] I received a phone call
from Becky around 5:30
or six o'clock,
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"Abby's missing,
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and we're not sure
where they are."
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[female news reporter]Near the Monon High Bridge
Trail in Delphi,
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two Carroll County girls
have disappeared.
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Several law enforcement
agencies are looking for them.
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And the search will continue.
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[Anna] We kind of made
a Facebook post and said,
"Hey, if you happen to see
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either of these kids,
you know, tell them
that they're in big trouble.
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We're looking for them.
They weren't where they were
supposed to be."
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By that time,
I think the local news crew
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was starting to show up there
because it was dark.
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[female news reporter]We've seen volunteers
who don't even know the family
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and people walking
onto this trail area
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over the past hour or so.
They are fighting
the darkness now,
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using flashlights
as they continue that search.
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Basically, Delphi was lit up
with flashlights that night.
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Well the search was called off
around 10:30 or 11 o'clock
that night, um...
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Officially, they said,
"It's getting dark, it's cold,
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it's dangerous."
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I remember coming home
to change clothes
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and grabbed her jacket
because I knew
she didn't have one
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and she was gonna be cold
when she got back to the car.
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I remember just thinking,
"Well, she's...
they'll be back.
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They're coming back."
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I remember waking up earlier
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that next morning,
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on Valentine's Day 2017.
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Uh...
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It was the first thing
that came on the news.
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[female news reporter]The search continues
as police try to find
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two teenage girls
who went missing
early yesterday.
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There are nearly
200 volunteers working
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with police and fire officials
and others trying to help.
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I jumped in a canoe,
with another
volunteer fireman,
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and we floated down
all the way
into the city of Delphi.
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A friend of mine
come running up to us
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and said that they found them.
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Her husband was in a group
that found them.
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As I ran up
to one of the firemen
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I said, "You need to take me
to Libby, they found her.
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She's gonna need us,"
you know.
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As I sat there...
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[sniffles]
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The coroner...
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The coroner's van
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come driving by.
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And that's when I realized
they were found.
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[tense music playing]
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Oh, it was awful.
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Everything just stood still.
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By the time word
had gotten out
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that they had been found
and they were
no longer with us...
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Then the rest of it
just kind of...
was a whirlwind.
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It just didn't seem real.
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Not to anybody.
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[sniffles]
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[Doug] Why Libby?
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Why Abby?
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Why Delphi?
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Words tend to escape,
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during these periods of time,
because this
is a classic example
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and a clear example
that evil lives amongst us.
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[Anna]I first became aware
of Evansdale not long after.
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It was probably two
or three days.
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Similarities I thought were,
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the girls being, kind of,
similar age wise or,
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you know, an old trail system.
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The terrain looked similar.
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It was like looking
at our backyard.
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It was like looking
at where the girls were.
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[Heather]Anytime anybody
does things where
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it's, you know, more than one,
takes, you know, two kids,
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that's where we go,
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"Could that be
a suspect in our case?"
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[Drew]We kind of went
into overdrive, like,
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thinking that could be
somebody traveling, doing it.
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[Dylan] There were a lot
of similarities between
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the Evansdale
and Delphi cases.
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But there was one
big difference.
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And it's a case where
they had video footage,
audio recording.
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[Jeff] There's some
cell phone evidence
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from one of the victims
in this Indiana case
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where they were able
to take a picture
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of a guy walking along
the trail that they had
apparently had encountered.
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And there's, um, audio
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where you kind of hear part
of the guy's voice,
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kind of saying something
about down the hill.
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[man indistinctly
on recording]...down the hill.
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...down the hill.
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...down the hill.
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That's the killer
on her cell phone footage.
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[Dylan speaking]
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She felt uneasy.
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I think she was
uncomfortable enough
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that she decided
she wanted to video him.
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But it's tough.
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Everybody in Indiana
dresses like that,
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so I don't see
anything specific.
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[Doug]As poor as this picture is,
somebody knows.
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And if you're watching...
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We'll find you.
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He has to be lucky every day.
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All we've got to do
is be lucky one day.
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But for right now,
he better keep looking
over his shoulder.
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[female news reporter]Investigators hunting
Libby and Abigail's killer
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are comparing notes
with authorities
400 miles away
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in Evansdale, Iowa.
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[John] As protocol with any
investigation of this nature,
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we compare to unsolved crimes
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throughout the nation.
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Part of that is
the double homicide
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that occurred in Iowa.
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At this time, I can assure you
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we have spoken with
the investigators in Iowa,
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and at this point
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it does appear
to be coincidental that
the two cases are similar.
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But based on the evidence,
we are not able to connect
the two cases at this time.
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They think, same with ours,
where they think
it's somebody local.
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On that case,
they think it's a local
Delphi person, too.
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[Anna]It has been very frustrating
over the last
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five and a half years now
to still have nothing
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and still not be
a whole lot farther,
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we feel sometimes,
than we were at day one
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and it just hurts.
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It makes you angry.
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[Dylan] While the Delphi
case was in the early stages
of investigation,
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back in Evansdale,
the impact of having
no answers was heavy.
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And had had a profound effect
on Heather and
Drew's relationship.
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Between Klunder,
Altmayer and Delphi.
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There was nothing concrete.
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[cameraman]
All right, I'm rolling.
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So my first interview
with Heather and Drew,
they were together.
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[Dylan speaking]
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It's hard because...
[clears throat]
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It's just been...
it's been up and down since,
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since the girls
have been gone.
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A lot of ups and downs,
but we're going...
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staying together
and going through it.
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A lot of days,
he's just kind of down.
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We just deal
with it different.
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So I did two
interviews with them,
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and then I kind of
took time off.
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And when I reached out
to Drew again in 2017,
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he just said...
Let me know that him
and Heather had split
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and that, uh, you know...
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I had to film Heather
and Drew separately.
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-[Dylan] All right, Drew,
how's it going?
-Good.
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Okay, so...
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Mark, three rolling.
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[Dylan]
How is the family doing?
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[Heather] Um...
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A few things have changed.
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Um, Drew and I got a divorce.
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We were together for 25 years.
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So to me, just kind of,
I don't know,
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that's all I knew, was him.
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So that's been really
emotionally mind numbing.
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It's just... it's really hard.
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Everything just went to shit.
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Even if it's your wife,
it's hard for her
to understand
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how you're going through it
or how you're reacting
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and for a dad,
it's different than a mom.
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My job, I thought,
was try to keep
our family afloat.
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So I really didn't show
much emotion.
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Drew was a mess.
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I didn't, like,
hold back my emotions,
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like, I don't care.
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Like, if I lose my shit,
I lose my shit.
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[dog barking]
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I started throwing shit,
anything I could
get my hands on.
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I've done a lot
of things in anger.
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There was one time,
I came home,
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and everything
in my yard got broke
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in the middle of the night
and I just lost my shit.
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[Heather] I mean,
completely understandable but
I didn't want the kids to see
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both of us distraught
and not able
to do anything,
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even though I was like,
going crazy inside.
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[Drew] It was just
too much for our marriage
to work through.
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One of the first stories
that I wrote about
the Evansdale case
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was during
the five-year anniversary of
when they had been abducted.
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Even though five years
had passed,
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the case was on
everybody's minds
in Evansdale.
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I mean, there was still
ribbons hanging up to rememberLyric and Elizabeth.
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[Larry]Not just in abduction case,
but in any case,
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time on the front end
is your enemy.
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The person who committed
the crime has more time
to recover psychologically,
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more time to get rid
of physical evidence.
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At some point,
what you see sometimes
is the reverse effect,
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as time goes on,
time may work
to your advantage.
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It's feasible that whoever
did this told somebody
some part of it
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or relationships change
over time,
people break up.
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If there's somebody
that does know
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something about a case,
sometimes as time goes by,
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00:25:03,130 --> 00:25:06,130
they're more likely
to come forward
and say something.
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Time can become your ally.
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[Lihn] Belle Plaine, Iowa
is a pretty small town.
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It's about 2,400 people,
and it's just 50 miles south
of Evansdale.
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So, in the early morning
on May 4th, 2018,
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Teresa Gerleman goes out
and crosses the train track
with her son, Henry Fields.
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[suspenseful music playing]
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[train crossing bell ringing]
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A conductor who was
in an oncoming train,
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says that he remembers
seeing her going
onto the track
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and then grabbing Henry's arm
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and pulling him onto
the track as well,
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right before the train hits
and kills both of them.
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[Dylan] Teresa Gerleman
committed murder suicide
with her son, Henry.
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Normally, you know,
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I mean, that's just tragic
in and of itself.
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But within, I believe,
the first 24 hours,
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you know, there was rumblings
about connection
to the Evansdale case.
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What they had learned was
that she had been dealing
with mental health issues.
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She had been going
to a local center
for people with disabilities.
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What Teresa had told
some of the staff
at the center
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was that she was hanging out
with these guys who said
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that they had murdered
Lyric and Elizabeth.
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And they had given her
a six-page letter,
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kind of detailing
how it happened.
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[Drew]The DCI, they had went
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to her house after that
and searched her house,
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and I know they left with,
like, a box full of stuff.
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But supposedly it was a letter
written from somebody,
two guys.
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I don't know
who wrote that letter.
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They won't say
who wrote that letter.
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[Lihn] Most child predators
are lone wolves,
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so to have possibly multiple
people involved is really odd.
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[Larry] If you talked
to ten investigators,
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you could have
ten different opinions
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and ten different,
you know, arguments,
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of if it was one person,
it was two people,
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so I don't think
you can take a position
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that it had to be two,
or could have
only been one.
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I mean, until you know
what happened,
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uh, you have to consider
both possibilities.
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[Trelka] In all likelihood,
I venture to say one,
but possibly two.
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We can't rule that out.
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I think every single scenario
needs to be considered.
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They didn't find anything
that was new or revelatory
in the letter.
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So whatever it is,
I don't know.
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Is it something
that's a smoking gun?
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Or is it something that's...
They know is nonsense.
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00:28:03,930 --> 00:28:05,000
I don't know.
They won't tell me.
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00:28:06,570 --> 00:28:08,800
[soft music playing]
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Today marks six years
since hunters found the bodies
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of two missing
Black Hawk County cousins.
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00:28:17,270 --> 00:28:19,830
Volunteers are helping build
a beautiful memorial
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to remember
Elizabeth and Lyric
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00:28:21,970 --> 00:28:23,700
and other young victims.
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This came together with a ton
of people helping.
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00:28:28,130 --> 00:28:29,400
Three...
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One.
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We're open.
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00:28:31,630 --> 00:28:33,070
[all cheering, clapping]
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00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:36,930
You know,
I ask a lot of questions,
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00:28:36,930 --> 00:28:39,900
but I don't get
a lot of answers
when I talk to the police.
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00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:45,230
Eight years running,
and it's still an unsolved
Evansdale criminal case.
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00:28:45,230 --> 00:28:49,130
The DCI, they just...
they keep everything
very quiet,
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00:28:49,130 --> 00:28:50,430
and they're very good
at keeping secrets.
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00:28:52,270 --> 00:28:54,170
But that doesn't mean
they don't have something.
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00:28:54,170 --> 00:28:56,530
We don't know what they have.
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00:28:56,530 --> 00:28:59,770
They could have
the card in their hand
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00:28:59,770 --> 00:29:02,830
and they're just waiting
for the other cards
to match up with it
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00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:06,200
and solve it.
It could be solved Monday,
477
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,600
I don't--
Or tomorrow,
who knows?
478
00:29:11,530 --> 00:29:13,830
Exactly ten years ago today,
479
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:17,470
the first reports came in
that Lyric and Elizabeth
were missing.
480
00:29:17,470 --> 00:29:19,200
And Drew reminds everyone
you're invited
481
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,330
to attend the tenth
annual ride and drive
for the girls.
482
00:29:22,330 --> 00:29:25,070
It's this Saturday morning
at Lofty's in Evansdale.
483
00:29:25,070 --> 00:29:28,130
[man] There's still
a lot of anger
in the community over this.
484
00:29:28,130 --> 00:29:29,230
Somebody knows something
485
00:29:29,230 --> 00:29:30,970
-Yeah.
-and they're gonna
come forward.
486
00:29:30,970 --> 00:29:36,330
And, you know,
I hope it does come out
what happened, God willing.
487
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,900
[Drew] If anything,
we're getting stronger
488
00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:41,330
and we're not going anywhere.
489
00:29:41,330 --> 00:29:44,100
We're gonna continue
to get this case out there,
490
00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:48,200
and until it's solved,
we want to bring
this monster to justice.
491
00:29:57,530 --> 00:29:59,630
[intense music playing]
492
00:30:11,670 --> 00:30:14,200
[Dylan]What do you want the public
to know about what's happened
493
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,130
with the investigation,
where it seems to be?
494
00:30:16,130 --> 00:30:20,900
One, it's being actively
investigated and two,
we're not going anywhere.
495
00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:24,570
It's not sitting on a shelf
somewhere gathering dust.
496
00:30:24,570 --> 00:30:29,430
We regularly carve out time
to investigate this one
with our team.
497
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:33,370
We've had 117 tips
in the last ten months.
498
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,730
[Dylan speaking]
499
00:30:44,570 --> 00:30:46,870
With Klunder specifically,
500
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:51,200
I can't...
I can't comment on a decision
that wasn't mine to make.
501
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,570
And I'm certainly not
gonna go...
502
00:30:52,570 --> 00:30:55,170
It was... I'm not going
to say it was a right
or wrong decision.
503
00:30:55,170 --> 00:30:57,330
I might have landed
at a different place.
504
00:31:04,730 --> 00:31:07,300
[Dylan]There's been three double
abductions in Iowa.
505
00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:10,430
The first one was in 1991,
which is Michael Klunder.
506
00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:12,130
He goes to prison
for 20 years.
507
00:31:12,130 --> 00:31:17,130
He gets out and then
there's two double abductions
within two years.
508
00:31:17,130 --> 00:31:21,600
And as soon as he dies,
there's no more
double abductions in Iowa.
509
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,670
They came back and said
they had no evidence
that Klunder was ever here.
510
00:31:27,670 --> 00:31:30,270
But to me,
that doesn't mean
he didn't do it.
511
00:31:30,270 --> 00:31:33,170
To me,
he's the most likely suspect.
512
00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:37,400
[Dan]If he did come through town
513
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,070
and it was him
that seen them
ride their bikes?
514
00:31:41,070 --> 00:31:45,370
Absolutely, I think
that he would track them to
a place where it was secluded.
515
00:31:51,730 --> 00:31:54,330
[Trelka]My instincts are telling me
516
00:31:54,330 --> 00:31:56,500
that Michael Klunder could
still be good for this.
517
00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:59,300
I'm uneasy
with ruling him out.
518
00:31:59,300 --> 00:32:03,170
There's too many coincidences
between Michael Klunder
519
00:32:03,170 --> 00:32:06,800
and the abduction he committed
in Dayton compared
to Evansdale.
520
00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:09,600
The police have never given us
the piece of evidence
521
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,000
that says Michael Klunder
didn't do this.
522
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,430
But you know,
the way they ruled him out,
523
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:16,270
they said,
"We believe he was at home,
524
00:32:16,270 --> 00:32:17,970
or at work."
525
00:32:17,970 --> 00:32:21,700
Michael Klunder worked
for a hog confinement company
so he would travel
526
00:32:21,700 --> 00:32:25,800
you know,
in between hog confinements,
possibly one county,
527
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,900
into another county
into another county.
528
00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:32,030
So if you're saying,
you know, we believe he was
at home or at work.
529
00:32:32,030 --> 00:32:34,500
I mean, what you're really
saying to me is that you
don't know where he was.
530
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,230
[Trelka] I would love
to hear from DCI
531
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:43,400
how they ruled Michael Klunder
out as a suspect.
532
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,270
I think they had
some cell phone
tracking data or something.
533
00:32:47,270 --> 00:32:50,670
[Larry] You'd like to say,
"Well, this person's cell
phone never hit the towers
534
00:32:50,670 --> 00:32:54,170
near anyplace close to where
it happened, so therefore
they're not there.
535
00:32:54,170 --> 00:32:55,530
Well, that's not
necessarily true.
536
00:32:55,530 --> 00:32:57,230
I could have left
my cell phone
100 miles from here.
537
00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:59,100
If somebody was going
to go commit a crime,
538
00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:01,470
they may intentionally
do that for that purpose,
539
00:33:01,470 --> 00:33:04,530
you know, so their phone shows
that they're someplace else.
540
00:33:05,870 --> 00:33:08,200
One of the big problems
with Klunder was that
541
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,170
they couldn't ever
concretely put him
in Evansdale
542
00:33:11,170 --> 00:33:12,430
the day the girls
went missing,
543
00:33:12,430 --> 00:33:16,070
and that was kind of
the reason why
they eliminated him
544
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:19,130
as a suspect,
at least publicly.
545
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:20,900
After digging around
546
00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:23,470
I found out
that Michael Klunder
had served time
547
00:33:23,470 --> 00:33:27,470
with two convicted felons
named Troy Conkling,
and Chris Ricketts.
548
00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:31,570
Chris Ricketts was convicted
of multiple controlled
substance violations
549
00:33:31,570 --> 00:33:33,830
and possession
of a controlled substance.
550
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:37,670
Troy Conkling was convicted
of sexual abuse
in the third degree
551
00:33:37,670 --> 00:33:41,770
on an adult woman
and burglary
in the first degree.
552
00:33:41,770 --> 00:33:46,230
Both men were living
in Evansdale at the time
of the abductions in 2012,
553
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:48,130
after all three men
had been released.
554
00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:08,370
[Ricketts speaking]
555
00:34:26,630 --> 00:34:28,530
[Sires speaking]
556
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:33,870
[Ricketts speaking]
557
00:34:47,699 --> 00:34:48,570
[Sires speaking]
558
00:34:49,170 --> 00:34:50,600
[Ricketts speaking]
559
00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:09,800
[Dylan]That's new information.
560
00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:14,630
This raises a few questions,
and I'm not really sure
what to believe.
561
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:16,400
If Chris Ricketts
is telling the truth,
562
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,000
he is saying
that Troy Conkling
and Michael Klunder,
563
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,700
were together at the time
of the abduction of Elizabeth
564
00:35:21,700 --> 00:35:25,100
and Lyric in Evansdale,
but who knows?
565
00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:34,170
Drew wanted to hear
Troy Conkling's side
of the story.
566
00:35:34,170 --> 00:35:36,070
So he called Conkling's wife.
567
00:35:37,470 --> 00:35:40,000
Hey, what's up, Bobbi?
Is Troy doing anything?
568
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,770
Is there any way
he would talk to me tonight?
569
00:35:44,030 --> 00:35:45,100
Yeah.
570
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,670
Well, I mean,
you guys got kids.
571
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:59,070
You can understand
where I'm coming from.
572
00:35:59,070 --> 00:36:02,930
I'm just...
I'm just trying to...
I've been waiting and waiting,
573
00:36:02,930 --> 00:36:04,830
and I'm just done waiting.
574
00:36:04,830 --> 00:36:07,170
I just wanna... kind of...
575
00:36:07,170 --> 00:36:08,570
Yeah, absolutely.
576
00:36:09,530 --> 00:36:11,170
It would be fine
to just do a phone call
577
00:36:11,170 --> 00:36:13,070
if you would just call me
and I could talk to him?
578
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,530
-Okay. Bye bye. Thanks.-Bye bye.
579
00:36:29,630 --> 00:36:32,130
I can hide my phone
in my shirt, too, or no?
580
00:36:32,130 --> 00:36:34,970
-[Dylan] Yeah.
-'Cause that's pretty obvious,
a camera.
581
00:36:34,970 --> 00:36:36,170
Look at that.
582
00:36:36,170 --> 00:36:37,900
Isn't that fucking stupid?
583
00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:39,930
A lot of people
carry their phones
like that, though.
584
00:36:39,930 --> 00:36:40,930
Okay.
585
00:36:40,930 --> 00:36:43,530
All right, so we're gonna
just run through this.
586
00:36:43,530 --> 00:36:49,530
Let's see. Like we got about
six foot space here and,
like, four foot here.
587
00:36:49,530 --> 00:36:51,800
-This is as close
as I think we'll get.
-Mm-hmm.
588
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,730
If he's there,
I'll kind of try to angle
to this side a little bit.
589
00:36:54,730 --> 00:36:57,270
Kind of put in your
chest cavity right here.
590
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:58,830
[man] Yeah,
that should be good.
591
00:37:00,370 --> 00:37:02,100
[Dylan]
Let's find another shirt.
592
00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:03,430
[intense music playing]
593
00:37:14,430 --> 00:37:16,600
One chance to do this.
594
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,270
That's what makes me
nervous about this.
595
00:37:18,270 --> 00:37:19,930
Like I don't want
to scare him off.
596
00:37:19,930 --> 00:37:22,430
I want to keep him talking.
597
00:37:22,430 --> 00:37:26,830
So I don't want to, like,
come out right away and say
598
00:37:26,830 --> 00:37:29,670
anything that's gonna
make him shut down.
599
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:33,500
I want to keep him going,
but I think it's gonna be...
600
00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:36,200
I think he's going
to close down right away.
601
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,530
That's my guess.
602
00:37:43,500 --> 00:37:44,800
So I'm gonna park right...
603
00:37:45,870 --> 00:37:48,370
-[man] Um, here, here.
-[Drew] Yeah.
604
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,700
[man speaking]
605
00:37:52,700 --> 00:37:53,900
Straight ahead.
606
00:37:54,930 --> 00:37:56,030
[Drew]
I'm gonna go meet him.
607
00:37:56,030 --> 00:37:58,130
[Dylan] You're recording
on your phone, right, Drew?
608
00:37:58,130 --> 00:37:59,930
-Yep.
-Okay.
609
00:38:04,270 --> 00:38:05,600
[man] Holy shit.
610
00:38:11,570 --> 00:38:12,970
[Drew] Troy.
611
00:38:14,370 --> 00:38:17,270
-What's up, man?
-Hello.
612
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:19,600
-Who are you? Who are you?
-Drew.
613
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,330
Drew Collins.
614
00:38:21,330 --> 00:38:23,200
-I don't remember you.
-You're Troy?
615
00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:28,030
-Yeah, I'm Troy.
-I'm Elizabeth's dad.
616
00:38:28,030 --> 00:38:30,170
-Elizabeth?
-Elizabeth Collins.
617
00:38:36,030 --> 00:38:37,430
You talking about
the girls in Evansdale?
618
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:41,370
-Yeah.
-Oh, yeah. The cops think
it's fucking, um...
619
00:38:43,330 --> 00:38:44,200
Uh...
620
00:38:45,930 --> 00:38:47,730
Colombian, no, not Colombian.
Mexican cartel.
621
00:38:47,730 --> 00:38:50,100
-You think?
-That's what they told me.
622
00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:51,330
Well, I think it's Klunder.
623
00:38:51,330 --> 00:38:52,900
Michael Klunder's dead.
624
00:38:52,900 --> 00:38:54,500
Well, I know,
but I think he did it.
625
00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:55,770
I think so, too.
626
00:38:56,730 --> 00:38:58,230
I did five years with him.
627
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:59,700
He's a fucking weirdo.
628
00:39:00,470 --> 00:39:01,470
[Drew] Um...
629
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:05,700
Did he ever come to Evansdale?
630
00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:08,500
I have no clue on that. Uh...
631
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:11,170
-Do you know Chris Ricketts?
-Yes, I know, Chris.
632
00:39:11,170 --> 00:39:13,870
Okay, he said that Klunder
633
00:39:13,870 --> 00:39:17,730
and you called him from town.
634
00:39:17,730 --> 00:39:20,500
And then Klunder talked to him
on the cell phone.
635
00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:22,830
You guys are trying
to hang out with Chris
or something.
636
00:39:24,430 --> 00:39:26,730
Like you guys called him
and you're like,
"Hey, Klunder is here."
637
00:39:26,730 --> 00:39:28,070
No.
638
00:39:28,070 --> 00:39:30,730
No. Hell no,
because Klunder never...
I was never around Klunder.
639
00:39:30,730 --> 00:39:33,130
[Drew]
Because he said Klunder
was with you that day,
640
00:39:33,130 --> 00:39:35,130
that he talked
to Klunder with your phone.
641
00:39:35,130 --> 00:39:37,770
I called Klunder
from my mom's house,
642
00:39:37,770 --> 00:39:42,400
when I lived in Evansdale.
And then I seen Ricketts
at Walmart.
643
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,830
But I never used...
644
00:39:45,830 --> 00:39:47,500
I never let... Uh-uh.
645
00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:48,670
Hell, no.
646
00:39:48,670 --> 00:39:50,830
-He never talked to you about
coming up here?
-No.
647
00:39:50,830 --> 00:39:52,000
Not to visit or anything?
648
00:39:52,730 --> 00:39:54,170
-Fuck.
-No.
649
00:39:54,170 --> 00:39:58,670
Like I said,
when the cops pulled me in,
it was to ask me about it.
650
00:39:58,670 --> 00:40:03,070
I was like, um,
"Last time I talked to him was
at my phone at my mom's house.
651
00:40:03,070 --> 00:40:04,370
"If you want,
you can pull the records."
652
00:40:04,370 --> 00:40:05,570
"Well, that takes too long."
I was like, "Yeah,
653
00:40:05,570 --> 00:40:07,270
"but you're accusing me,
so why don't
you fucking do it?"
654
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:08,800
Because they had me
in there three times.
655
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,070
[Drew] Oh, okay.
Is there a reason
you thought Klunder did it?
656
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,030
Klunder has priors for that.
657
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:15,930
[Drew] Yeah.
658
00:40:18,070 --> 00:40:19,370
Dude, it's been ten years.
659
00:40:19,370 --> 00:40:21,270
-I just want to find out
who killed my kid.
-Yeah.
660
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:26,930
And if it is Klunder,
then I just want
to be able to,
661
00:40:26,930 --> 00:40:28,670
you know, put that to rest.
662
00:40:29,530 --> 00:40:31,470
Do you think he did
our girls or not?
663
00:40:31,470 --> 00:40:35,130
Yes, that's...
that's my own opinion.
664
00:40:35,130 --> 00:40:36,600
But yes.
665
00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:41,430
-[Drew] Yeah?
-By himself?
666
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:43,830
-No. Like I said--
-Who would he come up here
667
00:40:43,830 --> 00:40:47,230
-to do that with?
-Trust me, there's a lot
of weirdos out...
668
00:40:47,230 --> 00:40:49,730
-And then you get into prison.
-But you think
he could have just
669
00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:52,600
-come here
with somebody else or?
-I don't know.
670
00:40:53,770 --> 00:40:55,570
-Uh...
-Well, I appreciate
you talking to me.
671
00:40:55,570 --> 00:40:57,430
Yeah, no problem.
672
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:58,670
[Dylan]
Now they're walking back.
673
00:41:00,370 --> 00:41:01,830
I'm not feeling so good.
[coughs]
674
00:41:01,830 --> 00:41:07,400
So... [coughs] If you catch,
like, a stomach flu
or something, I apologize.
675
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,270
Oh, all right.
Good talking to you, man.
676
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:19,330
[Dylan] All right...
677
00:41:22,170 --> 00:41:23,330
Well, at least
he talked to me.
678
00:41:24,830 --> 00:41:29,530
But as far as he says,
that phone call
with Ricketts never happened.
679
00:41:30,670 --> 00:41:32,570
[Dylan] The next question is,
should we call Chris?
680
00:41:33,530 --> 00:41:34,670
[Drew] I will.
681
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:37,770
[cell phone ringing]
682
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:46,530
He'll answer.
683
00:41:46,530 --> 00:41:48,270
-Drew.
-What's up?
684
00:41:48,270 --> 00:41:49,900
What are you doing?
685
00:41:49,900 --> 00:41:54,730
Nothing. I just went
and I caught Troy
out of his house
686
00:41:54,730 --> 00:41:57,470
-and I went and recorded
our conversation with him.-Oh.
687
00:41:57,470 --> 00:41:58,800
What'd he say?
688
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,970
He said that him and Klunder
did not call you.
689
00:42:01,970 --> 00:42:03,830
No, no, no, no.
I met them both.
690
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:09,030
-Where?-Right down the street
from your house, pretty much.
691
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:10,200
Right in Evansdale.
692
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,870
-I can't remember
exactly where--
-So he was there?
693
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:14,470
Yeah, I've seen him
face to face.
694
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:16,400
The only time I've ever
seen him out of prison,
you know?
695
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,700
Klunder had just been out
within the year or two
or whatever.
696
00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:21,500
So that's why I was kind of
wondering why he was up there.
697
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:23,230
I know I seen
them two together.
698
00:42:23,230 --> 00:42:24,600
I don't know when, what time.
699
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,300
But I know it was, you know,
in the neighborhood
of your house.
700
00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:28,800
That's the only time
I had seen him.
701
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,800
-I know, I know.-I just remember seeing
Klunder and shaking his hand.
702
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,300
The police have
never talked to you?
703
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:35,400
No, why would they?
704
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,270
Well, that's pretty big, dude.
705
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:41,300
Oh, I know it is now,
but in hindsight, why would
they have talked to me before?
706
00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:44,230
All right, man.
Do you care if
I use this audio?
707
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:45,470
Are you recording me?
708
00:42:45,470 --> 00:42:48,000
-I always record you.-Why?
709
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,630
I'm wired like
the FBI, man.
710
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:52,430
-All right. Later, bud.
-Okay, bye.
711
00:42:55,300 --> 00:42:57,800
[somber music playing]
712
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,200
-[Drew] Hello?
-[Dylan] Drew,
what's going on?
713
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,070
So, it's been
a couple of days.
714
00:43:09,070 --> 00:43:10,570
I mean, were you surprised?
715
00:43:10,570 --> 00:43:14,500
I mean, I was surprised
that Chris was never
questioned by law enforcement.
716
00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:15,730
[Drew sighs] Yep.
717
00:43:15,730 --> 00:43:18,630
[Dylan] If what Chris Ricketts
is saying... If his story
718
00:43:19,470 --> 00:43:21,670
is 100% true,
719
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:25,530
that means he's shaking hands
with Michael Klunder
in Evansdale.
720
00:43:25,530 --> 00:43:28,170
What would you think
would have happened
721
00:43:28,170 --> 00:43:30,170
if Michael Klunder
was in Evansdale?
722
00:43:30,170 --> 00:43:32,700
Then definitely
Klunder did it.
723
00:43:32,700 --> 00:43:36,130
I mean, Michael Klunder
is a fricking animal, dude.
724
00:43:36,130 --> 00:43:39,430
The fact that he's even saw
the light of day is a crime.
725
00:43:41,730 --> 00:43:45,130
[Dylan] Troy Conkling denied
ever meeting Michael Klunder
in Evansdale,
726
00:43:45,130 --> 00:43:49,430
but Chris Ricketts said
he shook Klunder's hands
somewhere in Evansdale.
727
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:52,300
These two conflicting stories
could provide a new lead.
728
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:54,470
For police to investigate.
729
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:57,230
If Michael Klunder was in
the area around the time
of Lyric
730
00:43:57,230 --> 00:44:00,670
and Elizabeth's abduction,
it could be a game changer.
731
00:44:02,130 --> 00:44:06,000
It might even be
the major break that could
help close this case
732
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,070
and finally give these
families some peace.
733
00:44:27,370 --> 00:44:30,570
I don't think all of us
have been together
734
00:44:30,570 --> 00:44:33,170
since the...
Probably Lyric's funeral.
735
00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:35,870
So...
736
00:44:36,330 --> 00:44:37,470
Ten years later.
737
00:44:38,530 --> 00:44:40,530
Some people
are a little apprehensive,
738
00:44:40,530 --> 00:44:42,570
but we'll just see
how it goes with everybody.
739
00:44:42,570 --> 00:44:45,500
I'm not angry
at anybody really anymore.
740
00:44:48,830 --> 00:44:50,330
I love Heather.
741
00:44:50,330 --> 00:44:51,400
I miss her.
742
00:44:54,930 --> 00:45:00,070
She kind of, like,
just kind of cut us off
from the whole family.
743
00:45:00,070 --> 00:45:02,900
Losing the girls
really just blew us all apart.
744
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,270
You know, when your world
is coming down around you
and you're helpless
745
00:45:08,270 --> 00:45:12,230
and you can't do
anything about it,
you do and say things
746
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:15,270
that you normally
probably wouldn't.
747
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:20,400
Before Lyric
and Elizabeth happened,
it was, like, so important
748
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,530
to, like, be together
for, like, family holidays
749
00:45:23,530 --> 00:45:25,900
and for us kids
to all spend time together
750
00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:27,830
and know each other
and be really close.
751
00:45:27,830 --> 00:45:31,070
[all]โช Ring around the roses โช
752
00:45:31,070 --> 00:45:34,870
And after it happened,
everybody really like
753
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:38,870
took their own road
to, like, trying to cope.
754
00:45:41,570 --> 00:45:44,370
We've tried to mend our ways
755
00:45:44,370 --> 00:45:49,830
and, you know,
engage together, but
it just doesn't seem to work.
756
00:45:49,830 --> 00:45:53,500
All right, we're coming up
on the cemetery right here.
757
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,100
It's just weird
to come out here, for me.
758
00:45:58,100 --> 00:46:02,200
You shouldn't
be visiting your
eight-year-old daughter here.
759
00:46:08,670 --> 00:46:11,400
-[child speaking indistinctly]
-Ooh, I love your outfits.
760
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:15,600
-[Drew] Hi, Mama.
-[Tammy] Hi, Mama.
761
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,070
[Heather] Hi, Mama.
762
00:46:24,700 --> 00:46:28,230
[Drew] I just wanted
to get everybody together,
763
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:29,730
like, no matter what
our differences are,
764
00:46:30,770 --> 00:46:32,130
or what's happened, like,
765
00:46:32,130 --> 00:46:35,100
the girls are way
more important and bigger
than all that.
766
00:46:35,100 --> 00:46:37,170
It's been ten years,
we need to come together.
767
00:46:37,970 --> 00:46:39,530
[Tammy] Yeah.
768
00:46:39,530 --> 00:46:45,530
Heavenly Father, thank you
for bringing the group
of people around us today
769
00:46:45,530 --> 00:46:50,330
to hopefully solve something
that's been going on
for nearly ten years.
770
00:46:50,330 --> 00:46:53,670
We miss Lizzie and Lyric,
they suffer no more.
771
00:47:03,130 --> 00:47:04,600
[girl sobbing]
772
00:47:09,730 --> 00:47:12,630
Look, there's my daughter.
773
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:15,700
Isn't she pretty?
774
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:20,130
[Tammy] Hummingbird.
775
00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:25,930
[woman]
It's my first time here.
776
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:29,570
Do you know that?
777
00:47:35,630 --> 00:47:38,600
-[Drew] Hey, guys, we're gonna
walk down to Lizzie's.
-[Heather] Okay.
778
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:43,730
[sighs]
779
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,270
Put them down in there,
Mom, or do you want me
to do it for you?
780
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:58,830
Hi, Mom.
781
00:48:10,070 --> 00:48:11,200
[Heather]You think of what
they'd be doing.
782
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:12,700
She would
have been graduating.
783
00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:15,730
Like what she would
have picked for a prom dress.
784
00:48:15,730 --> 00:48:17,300
I'm sure lots of glitter.
785
00:48:17,300 --> 00:48:19,500
Would she have been
in volleyball with all
her other friends
786
00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:23,700
and what kind of car
she could have talked her dad
into getting, you know?
787
00:48:23,700 --> 00:48:25,730
Right, Drew?
[chuckles softly, sniffles]
788
00:48:25,730 --> 00:48:27,100
She had a wonderful smile.
789
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,430
Just lit up the room.
790
00:48:32,970 --> 00:48:35,330
[Dan]I just don't understand it.
791
00:48:35,330 --> 00:48:38,230
Understand why,
I don't understand how,
I don't understand anything.
792
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:39,530
We just gotta move on,
you know?
793
00:48:39,530 --> 00:48:40,800
And that's hard.
794
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:44,800
But at the same time,
we just got to understand
795
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,500
that, you know,
we're gonna see them again,
796
00:48:46,500 --> 00:48:52,130
and that's why my faith
and my belief, so just gotta
come together, be stronger.
797
00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:54,930
Just gonna let them be
something that tears us apart?
798
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,630
Say, Daddy,
I miss you.
799
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,670
Hi, Mommy!
800
00:49:18,670 --> 00:49:19,870
I love you!
801
00:49:19,870 --> 00:49:21,800
I love you, by the way.
65848
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