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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,930 --> 00:00:05,030 [girls laughing] 2 00:00:05,030 --> 00:00:07,430 [suspenseful music playing] 3 00:00:07,430 --> 00:00:08,800 [girl screams] 4 00:00:18,500 --> 00:00:22,230 [Mike] We don't consider him a suspect in the case anymore. 5 00:00:22,230 --> 00:00:25,700 We saw leads and tips drop off dramatically 6 00:00:25,700 --> 00:00:28,500 after Michael Klunder, because everybody, like us, 7 00:00:28,500 --> 00:00:30,330 assumed that it was Klunder. 8 00:00:32,500 --> 00:00:34,500 And so we wanted to pick up the tips 9 00:00:34,500 --> 00:00:38,400 and tell people Michael Klunder right now is off the table, 10 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,800 and we're going to continue doing our investigation. 11 00:00:45,970 --> 00:00:49,700 [Heather] We don't have any answers of who killed Elizabeth and Lyric, 12 00:00:50,700 --> 00:00:52,400 but that person is still out there. 13 00:00:54,170 --> 00:00:55,230 Or persons. 14 00:00:57,930 --> 00:01:01,370 It's unsettling, to say the least. 15 00:01:02,570 --> 00:01:05,069 And Evansdale, you know, it could be your neighbor. 16 00:01:05,069 --> 00:01:06,200 You just don't know. 17 00:01:07,130 --> 00:01:09,170 No parent should have to go through this. 18 00:01:09,170 --> 00:01:12,700 Like I wouldn't want my worst enemy to go through this. 19 00:01:12,700 --> 00:01:16,270 I never want this person to be able to do this to another family. 20 00:01:16,270 --> 00:01:18,730 And I want justice for my girls. 21 00:01:37,070 --> 00:01:40,500 For the past two years, Eastern Iowans have been waiting for answers 22 00:01:40,500 --> 00:01:43,830 about who kidnapped and killed two Evansdale cousins. 23 00:01:43,830 --> 00:01:47,500 After we buried Lyric and Elizabeth, I haven't heard 24 00:01:47,500 --> 00:01:51,170 from one authoritative figure at all. 25 00:01:51,170 --> 00:01:57,130 No one. No updates, no phone calls, no information. 26 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,070 There's a lot of resources involved 27 00:02:00,070 --> 00:02:03,270 for weeks and weeks and weeks on the front end of this case, 28 00:02:03,270 --> 00:02:06,030 and there were some people that worked it you know, pretty much nonstop 29 00:02:06,030 --> 00:02:09,830 for the first couple of years, but it's hard to maintain that. 30 00:02:09,830 --> 00:02:14,070 You know, at some point it does start to slow down. 31 00:02:14,070 --> 00:02:18,829 The FBI came in and they issued a profile of the killer. 32 00:02:18,829 --> 00:02:20,470 You know, one, that they were local. 33 00:02:21,570 --> 00:02:23,370 They had to be familiar with Meyers Lake 34 00:02:23,370 --> 00:02:26,570 and Seven Bridges Wildlife Area in Bremer County. 35 00:02:26,570 --> 00:02:29,329 The FBI said the killer may be part of the Evansdale, 36 00:02:29,329 --> 00:02:31,400 or surrounding area. 37 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,230 Probably had changed their appearance recently. 38 00:02:35,230 --> 00:02:38,270 And that the killer may have attempted to abduct children, 39 00:02:38,270 --> 00:02:39,500 or adults in the past. 40 00:02:41,530 --> 00:02:44,329 [Kent] It would be very, very unusual 41 00:02:45,530 --> 00:02:47,970 if this was the first time they'd acted out. 42 00:02:47,970 --> 00:02:50,730 Maybe not to this degree. 43 00:02:50,730 --> 00:02:55,329 But they probably had inappropriate contact, 44 00:02:55,970 --> 00:02:57,500 surely, fantasies, 45 00:02:58,770 --> 00:02:59,800 with other... 46 00:03:01,670 --> 00:03:03,470 juvenile, prepubescent girls. 47 00:03:19,630 --> 00:03:23,030 [Lihn] I was doing breaking news reporting at the Des Moines Register, 48 00:03:23,030 --> 00:03:28,700 and during the evening shifts, I would notice, you know, every few weeks that summer, 49 00:03:28,700 --> 00:03:30,500 there had been news releases 50 00:03:30,500 --> 00:03:33,470 coming from law enforcement agencies around Iowa. 51 00:03:34,530 --> 00:03:37,600 We'd get a news release from one county that said, 52 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,870 "We got a report that a man tried to kidnap a girl. 53 00:03:40,870 --> 00:03:42,200 "She didn't go into the car." 54 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,230 But two weeks later, we get another press release. 55 00:03:46,230 --> 00:03:49,470 And you're like, "Okay, this summer is there just 56 00:03:49,470 --> 00:03:52,730 a bunch of different people trying to abduct kids in Iowa? 57 00:03:57,530 --> 00:04:00,230 [Drew]I remember that I was at a police department 58 00:04:00,230 --> 00:04:05,500 and they had a map of the state, and they had these tacks, 59 00:04:06,670 --> 00:04:09,030 where each one of his things happened. 60 00:04:10,100 --> 00:04:13,670 [Lihn] A man approached two 11-year-old girls 61 00:04:13,670 --> 00:04:16,170 who were walking together in Colfax, Iowa, 62 00:04:16,170 --> 00:04:20,070 and he offered both of them $100 bills. 63 00:04:20,070 --> 00:04:24,630 One of the girls did get into the car with him and sat in the passenger seat. 64 00:04:24,630 --> 00:04:28,600 He molested her and touched her over her clothes. 65 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,970 And he had made her touch him as well. 66 00:04:31,970 --> 00:04:35,600 And she asked him to get out of the car and he dropped her off at the library. 67 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,100 The ages ranged. 68 00:04:39,100 --> 00:04:41,630 It could be as young as six to as old 69 00:04:41,630 --> 00:04:47,870 as 13 in Onawa, 220 miles west of Evansdale. 70 00:04:47,870 --> 00:04:51,800 One six-year-old girl who was just walking back home after school. 71 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,930 A silver Ford Focus pulls up to her 72 00:04:55,930 --> 00:05:01,230 and a man offers her a $100 bill to get into his car. 73 00:05:02,470 --> 00:05:06,170 She immediately rejects the money, runs off, goes home, 74 00:05:06,170 --> 00:05:08,070 and she tells her mom about the situation. 75 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:17,030 I was over at a neighbor's house and her daughter come running in. 76 00:05:17,030 --> 00:05:20,800 She was pale white, saying some man tried to abduct her. 77 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,430 She said he had a blue shirt, silver car. 78 00:05:23,430 --> 00:05:24,900 I was just in such disbelief. 79 00:05:24,900 --> 00:05:25,970 I raced out the door, 80 00:05:25,970 --> 00:05:28,330 I get in the car, I see the silver car 81 00:05:28,330 --> 00:05:29,900 at the end of the block. 82 00:05:29,900 --> 00:05:33,130 When I pull next to him, I go, "Hey, you picking up kids?" 83 00:05:33,130 --> 00:05:34,570 And that's when he sped off. 84 00:05:36,830 --> 00:05:40,570 I follow him and I caught up to him, and that's when I decided 85 00:05:40,570 --> 00:05:42,330 like, "Hey, we got to call the police now," 86 00:05:42,330 --> 00:05:44,170 you know. They were just, like, you know, "Stay on him, 87 00:05:44,170 --> 00:05:46,970 "don't lose him," you know, I said, "I'm going at a high rate of speed, 88 00:05:46,970 --> 00:05:49,200 "upwards of 95 miles an hour." 89 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,230 They're like, "Just stay on him, do not lose him." 90 00:05:53,230 --> 00:05:56,870 Finally, the state troopers arrived and he pulled over. 91 00:05:56,870 --> 00:05:59,930 No incident, no altercations, got arrested, 92 00:05:59,930 --> 00:06:03,200 put him in the cop car and he looked like a normal guy. 93 00:06:05,230 --> 00:06:07,130 [Lihn] The police arrested Jeff Altmayer. 94 00:06:07,130 --> 00:06:11,370 He's a 58-year-old from Ankeny, Iowa. 95 00:06:11,370 --> 00:06:14,700 When police searched Jeff Altmayer's vehicle they found Viagra, 96 00:06:14,700 --> 00:06:19,270 Xanax, they found over a dozen $100 bills. 97 00:06:21,770 --> 00:06:27,400 Looking at Jeff Altmayer, he really wouldn't be on anyone's radar at all. 98 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,230 I mean, he was quiet. 99 00:06:29,230 --> 00:06:31,830 He lived in a suburb of Des Moines. 100 00:06:31,830 --> 00:06:34,930 He didn't have any previous criminal convictions. 101 00:06:34,930 --> 00:06:39,500 He had a wife and two adult children that he lived with. 102 00:06:39,500 --> 00:06:43,000 He was a vehicle inspector for an insurance agent. 103 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,600 And his territory that he covered was the entire state of Iowa. 104 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,530 His job gave him a huge hunting ground 105 00:06:50,530 --> 00:06:54,200 to just go into all these towns and just be completely anonymous. 106 00:06:57,370 --> 00:07:00,830 There had been multiple different cases, and with the Evansdale case, 107 00:07:00,830 --> 00:07:03,930 it was two little girls who were around the same age 108 00:07:03,930 --> 00:07:06,670 of the girls that he would try to abduct. 109 00:07:06,670 --> 00:07:09,900 You know, the closest case that law enforcement knew about 110 00:07:09,900 --> 00:07:13,970 that he was a suspect in was in Cedar Falls, Iowa, 111 00:07:13,970 --> 00:07:19,200 which is just a little over a dozen miles away from Evansdale. 112 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:20,400 It's very close. 113 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:25,200 [Scott]When Jeff Altmayer came up, it would be a logical step 114 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,800 to make a guy that's driving around and trying to entice kids, um, 115 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,030 he would be a name that you would want 116 00:07:30,030 --> 00:07:33,830 to vet through a case like what we have with Evansdale. 117 00:07:33,830 --> 00:07:37,030 [Dan]When I seen Jeff Altmayer's name in the paper 118 00:07:37,030 --> 00:07:39,430 absolutely, I was thinking, somebody like that! 119 00:07:39,430 --> 00:07:41,700 Are you guys watching him? You know, and I'm calling them, 120 00:07:41,700 --> 00:07:43,000 you know, talking to DCI and stuff, 121 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,730 and, you know, ask some questions about this guy. 122 00:07:46,730 --> 00:07:49,630 The only thing that didn't make sense was he's let these girls go. 123 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:52,300 He wasn't killing them. 124 00:08:08,870 --> 00:08:12,430 These kind of people, they might start off molesting kids, 125 00:08:12,430 --> 00:08:14,930 and then it kind of progresses. 126 00:08:14,930 --> 00:08:18,500 And I don't think you go backwards after you kill a couple of kids. 127 00:08:20,500 --> 00:08:22,000 I think you get more deviant. 128 00:08:23,170 --> 00:08:26,330 He's gonna do it again if he hasn't already, 129 00:08:26,330 --> 00:08:29,070 and he'll do it until he gets caught. 130 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,030 [dramatic music playing] 131 00:08:46,930 --> 00:08:50,500 On February 13th 2017 in Delphi, Indiana, 132 00:08:50,500 --> 00:08:52,170 another dual abduction occurred. 133 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,530 [Trelka] I'm a news junkie. 134 00:08:56,530 --> 00:08:58,530 So when there is an abduction of a child in this country, 135 00:08:58,530 --> 00:08:59,830 the first question I ask myself, 136 00:08:59,830 --> 00:09:01,300 "Is this our guy?" 137 00:09:02,500 --> 00:09:04,300 In the Delphi Indiana case, 138 00:09:04,300 --> 00:09:05,600 I read the news article, 139 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,130 and said this could be the guy. 140 00:09:09,500 --> 00:09:12,230 [Anna] Delphi is a really nice small town. 141 00:09:12,230 --> 00:09:13,700 It's a quiet place to grow up. 142 00:09:13,700 --> 00:09:16,830 You know, your kids know all the kids in their class. 143 00:09:16,830 --> 00:09:19,530 Sports teams are still big on Friday night. 144 00:09:19,530 --> 00:09:22,370 It's just a good place for families, 145 00:09:23,570 --> 00:09:26,300 and nobody, really, you know, had a second thought about it. 146 00:09:29,530 --> 00:09:31,200 Oh, that was right there in the yard. That was Mother's Day 147 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,000 in our matching outfits. 148 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,300 Our denim jackets. 149 00:09:36,170 --> 00:09:39,200 This one, um, I took sitting across from her. 150 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,870 It was my cousin's bridal shower, 151 00:09:41,870 --> 00:09:44,500 and when we had to find, like, a current picture of her 152 00:09:44,500 --> 00:09:46,100 even though it's with the hat, 153 00:09:46,100 --> 00:09:47,730 it's, like, this is it. 154 00:09:50,500 --> 00:09:54,730 Abby was, like, the coolest, kindest kid ever. 155 00:09:54,730 --> 00:09:56,730 She really cared about people, 156 00:09:56,730 --> 00:09:59,630 wanted to help out with everything and everybody. 157 00:10:02,100 --> 00:10:03,470 Loved sports. 158 00:10:03,470 --> 00:10:06,000 Tried everything at least once. 159 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,030 Stuck with volleyball for three years, 160 00:10:09,170 --> 00:10:11,170 Abigail had a lot of really good friends. 161 00:10:11,170 --> 00:10:12,670 Libby being one of them. 162 00:10:14,770 --> 00:10:19,630 Liberty had just turned 14 and Abby would have been 14 in June. 163 00:10:19,630 --> 00:10:21,970 Her team photos. 164 00:10:21,970 --> 00:10:23,570 There they are by each other. 165 00:10:23,570 --> 00:10:25,130 There's Abby, and there's Libby. 166 00:10:27,870 --> 00:10:31,900 In the short time that Libby was here, she had a passion for life, 167 00:10:31,900 --> 00:10:34,230 she wanted to get as much out of it as she could. 168 00:10:34,230 --> 00:10:35,670 She was an adventurer. 169 00:10:35,670 --> 00:10:37,400 [Mike] Like we'd go to a theme park, 170 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:38,770 she'd want to ride every ride that was out there. 171 00:10:40,070 --> 00:10:42,170 Until she got right up to the edge, you know? 172 00:10:42,170 --> 00:10:44,230 And then it was like, "Uh-oh, we got to go." 173 00:10:47,830 --> 00:10:50,630 On Monday, February 13th 2017, 174 00:10:50,630 --> 00:10:53,230 the kids had had a long winter break weekend, 175 00:10:53,230 --> 00:10:55,500 so they got Friday through Monday off. 176 00:10:55,500 --> 00:10:59,700 Monday ended up being a gorgeous plus 50 degree day. 177 00:11:03,900 --> 00:11:07,700 Abby and Libby had stayed over at Libby's house overnight. 178 00:11:07,700 --> 00:11:11,700 [Becky] They came down 9:30, ten o'clock. 179 00:11:11,700 --> 00:11:14,800 Libby's sister Kelsey came in 180 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:20,070 and Libby jumped up and said, "Can she take us to the trails?" 181 00:11:24,500 --> 00:11:27,330 [Anna] They got dropped off a little after one o'clock that afternoon 182 00:11:27,330 --> 00:11:31,200 for, you know, an hour long, picture taking and hike. 183 00:11:32,530 --> 00:11:36,200 The Monon Trail's main feature would be the high bridge. 184 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,400 [train horn blares] 185 00:11:40,500 --> 00:11:42,370 It's an old railroad bridge. 186 00:11:42,370 --> 00:11:45,170 Um, it hasn't been in service for years. 187 00:11:47,100 --> 00:11:49,030 Old, broken railroad ties. 188 00:11:49,030 --> 00:11:50,670 But it is a beautiful spot. 189 00:11:50,670 --> 00:11:53,300 Lots of folks go out for pictures there. 190 00:11:53,300 --> 00:11:55,770 A lot of people enjoy it out there. 191 00:11:57,230 --> 00:11:59,330 They started walking the trail. 192 00:12:06,100 --> 00:12:09,670 Libby's dad, Derek, would be able to pick them up hour and a half, 193 00:12:09,670 --> 00:12:12,200 two hours later, around three o'clock that day. 194 00:12:14,700 --> 00:12:17,100 [cell phone ringing] 195 00:12:17,100 --> 00:12:19,400 When Derek got out to the bridge, 196 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,100 he tried calling and texting 197 00:12:21,100 --> 00:12:24,330 because the girls weren't at the immediate pick up spot. 198 00:12:24,330 --> 00:12:27,030 [cell phone ringing] 199 00:12:27,030 --> 00:12:28,900 And they didn't answer. 200 00:12:31,370 --> 00:12:33,170 [Becky] Derek called me 201 00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:36,900 and said, "Can you call her 202 00:12:36,900 --> 00:12:38,430 and see if she answers for you?" 203 00:12:38,430 --> 00:12:41,900 So I started calling and there was no answer. 204 00:12:41,900 --> 00:12:44,030 [cell phone continues ringing] 205 00:12:44,030 --> 00:12:47,870 She doesn't ever not answer her phone. 206 00:12:47,870 --> 00:12:50,830 So I'm like, there's something not right. 207 00:12:51,730 --> 00:12:52,800 So we decided, 208 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,970 you know what, we're going to go to the trails. 209 00:12:54,970 --> 00:12:56,630 I'm gonna walk the trails and see if we can find her. 210 00:12:59,730 --> 00:13:02,900 Mike come walking up and he had been searching, 211 00:13:02,900 --> 00:13:04,770 and I said, "It's going to be dark soon. 212 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,570 We need to call the police." 213 00:13:13,270 --> 00:13:17,830 [Anna] I received a phone call from Becky around 5:30 or six o'clock, 214 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:20,600 "Abby's missing, 215 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,100 and we're not sure where they are." 216 00:13:22,100 --> 00:13:24,730 [female news reporter]Near the Monon High Bridge Trail in Delphi, 217 00:13:24,730 --> 00:13:27,100 two Carroll County girls have disappeared. 218 00:13:27,100 --> 00:13:30,600 Several law enforcement agencies are looking for them. 219 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:32,500 And the search will continue. 220 00:13:34,330 --> 00:13:37,730 [Anna] We kind of made a Facebook post and said, "Hey, if you happen to see 221 00:13:37,730 --> 00:13:40,630 either of these kids, you know, tell them that they're in big trouble. 222 00:13:40,630 --> 00:13:43,330 We're looking for them. They weren't where they were supposed to be." 223 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,170 By that time, I think the local news crew 224 00:13:48,170 --> 00:13:50,700 was starting to show up there because it was dark. 225 00:13:50,700 --> 00:13:54,430 [female news reporter]We've seen volunteers who don't even know the family 226 00:13:54,430 --> 00:13:56,230 and people walking onto this trail area 227 00:13:56,230 --> 00:14:00,170 over the past hour or so. They are fighting the darkness now, 228 00:14:00,170 --> 00:14:04,770 using flashlights as they continue that search. 229 00:14:04,770 --> 00:14:07,530 Basically, Delphi was lit up with flashlights that night. 230 00:14:09,030 --> 00:14:13,470 Well the search was called off around 10:30 or 11 o'clock that night, um... 231 00:14:13,470 --> 00:14:16,730 Officially, they said, "It's getting dark, it's cold, 232 00:14:16,730 --> 00:14:18,400 it's dangerous." 233 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,970 I remember coming home to change clothes 234 00:14:20,970 --> 00:14:23,230 and grabbed her jacket because I knew she didn't have one 235 00:14:23,230 --> 00:14:26,770 and she was gonna be cold when she got back to the car. 236 00:14:26,770 --> 00:14:29,170 I remember just thinking, "Well, she's... they'll be back. 237 00:14:29,170 --> 00:14:30,030 They're coming back." 238 00:14:42,370 --> 00:14:44,570 I remember waking up earlier 239 00:14:44,570 --> 00:14:46,300 that next morning, 240 00:14:47,100 --> 00:14:50,200 on Valentine's Day 2017. 241 00:14:50,870 --> 00:14:52,000 Uh... 242 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,970 It was the first thing that came on the news. 243 00:14:53,970 --> 00:14:56,200 [female news reporter]The search continues as police try to find 244 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,430 two teenage girls who went missing early yesterday. 245 00:14:59,430 --> 00:15:02,470 There are nearly 200 volunteers working 246 00:15:02,470 --> 00:15:06,330 with police and fire officials and others trying to help. 247 00:15:06,330 --> 00:15:10,100 I jumped in a canoe, with another volunteer fireman, 248 00:15:10,100 --> 00:15:13,500 and we floated down all the way into the city of Delphi. 249 00:15:20,300 --> 00:15:24,570 A friend of mine come running up to us 250 00:15:24,570 --> 00:15:26,130 and said that they found them. 251 00:15:28,330 --> 00:15:31,170 Her husband was in a group that found them. 252 00:15:31,170 --> 00:15:32,670 As I ran up to one of the firemen 253 00:15:32,670 --> 00:15:36,570 I said, "You need to take me to Libby, they found her. 254 00:15:36,570 --> 00:15:38,600 She's gonna need us," you know. 255 00:15:41,630 --> 00:15:43,530 As I sat there... 256 00:15:44,030 --> 00:15:44,930 [sniffles] 257 00:15:45,430 --> 00:15:46,630 The coroner... 258 00:15:48,230 --> 00:15:49,430 The coroner's van 259 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,130 come driving by. 260 00:15:53,070 --> 00:15:56,070 And that's when I realized they were found. 261 00:15:56,070 --> 00:15:57,600 [tense music playing] 262 00:16:04,830 --> 00:16:05,770 Oh, it was awful. 263 00:16:07,130 --> 00:16:08,700 Everything just stood still. 264 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,570 By the time word had gotten out 265 00:16:15,570 --> 00:16:18,530 that they had been found and they were no longer with us... 266 00:16:22,030 --> 00:16:25,500 Then the rest of it just kind of... was a whirlwind. 267 00:16:28,870 --> 00:16:30,230 It just didn't seem real. 268 00:16:30,230 --> 00:16:31,330 Not to anybody. 269 00:16:37,670 --> 00:16:38,830 [sniffles] 270 00:16:46,770 --> 00:16:48,000 [Doug] Why Libby? 271 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,270 Why Abby? 272 00:16:49,270 --> 00:16:50,500 Why Delphi? 273 00:16:54,470 --> 00:16:57,000 Words tend to escape, 274 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:01,030 during these periods of time, because this is a classic example 275 00:17:01,030 --> 00:17:03,830 and a clear example that evil lives amongst us. 276 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,369 [Anna]I first became aware of Evansdale not long after. 277 00:17:11,369 --> 00:17:14,000 It was probably two or three days. 278 00:17:14,900 --> 00:17:17,500 Similarities I thought were, 279 00:17:17,500 --> 00:17:21,200 the girls being, kind of, similar age wise or, 280 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:22,700 you know, an old trail system. 281 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,069 The terrain looked similar. 282 00:17:28,170 --> 00:17:30,000 It was like looking at our backyard. 283 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,730 It was like looking at where the girls were. 284 00:17:32,670 --> 00:17:34,830 [Heather]Anytime anybody does things where 285 00:17:34,830 --> 00:17:38,630 it's, you know, more than one, takes, you know, two kids, 286 00:17:38,630 --> 00:17:40,230 that's where we go, 287 00:17:40,230 --> 00:17:43,430 "Could that be a suspect in our case?" 288 00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:46,270 [Drew]We kind of went into overdrive, like, 289 00:17:46,270 --> 00:17:48,730 thinking that could be somebody traveling, doing it. 290 00:17:49,900 --> 00:17:52,030 [Dylan] There were a lot of similarities between 291 00:17:52,030 --> 00:17:54,670 the Evansdale and Delphi cases. 292 00:17:54,670 --> 00:17:57,030 But there was one big difference. 293 00:17:57,030 --> 00:18:01,170 And it's a case where they had video footage, audio recording. 294 00:18:05,330 --> 00:18:06,900 [Jeff] There's some cell phone evidence 295 00:18:06,900 --> 00:18:09,970 from one of the victims in this Indiana case 296 00:18:09,970 --> 00:18:13,400 where they were able to take a picture 297 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,830 of a guy walking along the trail that they had apparently had encountered. 298 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,470 And there's, um, audio 299 00:18:21,470 --> 00:18:25,000 where you kind of hear part of the guy's voice, 300 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,170 kind of saying something about down the hill. 301 00:18:27,170 --> 00:18:28,930 [man indistinctly on recording]...down the hill. 302 00:18:28,930 --> 00:18:30,670 ...down the hill. 303 00:18:30,670 --> 00:18:32,370 ...down the hill. 304 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,970 That's the killer on her cell phone footage. 305 00:18:40,170 --> 00:18:41,870 [Dylan speaking] 306 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:46,300 She felt uneasy. 307 00:18:46,300 --> 00:18:50,770 I think she was uncomfortable enough 308 00:18:51,770 --> 00:18:55,470 that she decided she wanted to video him. 309 00:18:57,330 --> 00:18:59,430 But it's tough. 310 00:18:59,430 --> 00:19:01,970 Everybody in Indiana dresses like that, 311 00:19:01,970 --> 00:19:05,370 so I don't see anything specific. 312 00:19:05,370 --> 00:19:09,200 [Doug]As poor as this picture is, somebody knows. 313 00:19:10,070 --> 00:19:11,000 And if you're watching... 314 00:19:14,530 --> 00:19:15,830 We'll find you. 315 00:19:17,370 --> 00:19:19,170 He has to be lucky every day. 316 00:19:19,170 --> 00:19:21,400 All we've got to do is be lucky one day. 317 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:25,370 But for right now, he better keep looking over his shoulder. 318 00:19:29,170 --> 00:19:32,430 [female news reporter]Investigators hunting Libby and Abigail's killer 319 00:19:32,430 --> 00:19:37,200 are comparing notes with authorities 400 miles away 320 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:38,970 in Evansdale, Iowa. 321 00:19:40,830 --> 00:19:44,600 [John] As protocol with any investigation of this nature, 322 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,930 we compare to unsolved crimes 323 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,230 throughout the nation. 324 00:19:49,230 --> 00:19:51,100 Part of that is the double homicide 325 00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:52,670 that occurred in Iowa. 326 00:19:52,670 --> 00:19:54,900 At this time, I can assure you 327 00:19:54,900 --> 00:19:57,270 we have spoken with the investigators in Iowa, 328 00:19:57,870 --> 00:19:59,230 and at this point 329 00:19:59,230 --> 00:20:02,870 it does appear to be coincidental that the two cases are similar. 330 00:20:02,870 --> 00:20:07,070 But based on the evidence, we are not able to connect the two cases at this time. 331 00:20:14,030 --> 00:20:19,130 They think, same with ours, where they think it's somebody local. 332 00:20:19,130 --> 00:20:23,470 On that case, they think it's a local Delphi person, too. 333 00:20:23,470 --> 00:20:26,170 [Anna]It has been very frustrating over the last 334 00:20:26,170 --> 00:20:28,870 five and a half years now to still have nothing 335 00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:33,030 and still not be a whole lot farther, 336 00:20:33,030 --> 00:20:35,970 we feel sometimes, than we were at day one 337 00:20:36,570 --> 00:20:39,400 and it just hurts. 338 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:40,530 It makes you angry. 339 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,800 [Dylan] While the Delphi case was in the early stages of investigation, 340 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,600 back in Evansdale, the impact of having no answers was heavy. 341 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,270 And had had a profound effect on Heather and Drew's relationship. 342 00:21:10,130 --> 00:21:13,130 Between Klunder, Altmayer and Delphi. 343 00:21:13,130 --> 00:21:14,870 There was nothing concrete. 344 00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:16,600 [cameraman] All right, I'm rolling. 345 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,730 So my first interview with Heather and Drew, they were together. 346 00:21:20,500 --> 00:21:21,730 [Dylan speaking] 347 00:21:21,730 --> 00:21:23,370 It's hard because... [clears throat] 348 00:21:23,370 --> 00:21:26,330 It's just been... it's been up and down since, 349 00:21:26,330 --> 00:21:27,700 since the girls have been gone. 350 00:21:29,030 --> 00:21:31,000 A lot of ups and downs, but we're going... 351 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,570 staying together and going through it. 352 00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:36,370 A lot of days, he's just kind of down. 353 00:21:36,370 --> 00:21:37,600 We just deal with it different. 354 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,670 So I did two interviews with them, 355 00:21:41,670 --> 00:21:43,830 and then I kind of took time off. 356 00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:47,830 And when I reached out to Drew again in 2017, 357 00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:50,630 he just said... Let me know that him and Heather had split 358 00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:53,330 and that, uh, you know... 359 00:21:53,330 --> 00:21:55,670 I had to film Heather and Drew separately. 360 00:21:55,670 --> 00:21:58,070 -[Dylan] All right, Drew, how's it going? -Good. 361 00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:59,670 Okay, so... 362 00:22:01,130 --> 00:22:03,930 Mark, three rolling. 363 00:22:07,770 --> 00:22:08,900 [Dylan] How is the family doing? 364 00:22:09,700 --> 00:22:10,870 [Heather] Um... 365 00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:12,530 A few things have changed. 366 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,670 Um, Drew and I got a divorce. 367 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,400 We were together for 25 years. 368 00:22:22,100 --> 00:22:23,830 So to me, just kind of, I don't know, 369 00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:25,870 that's all I knew, was him. 370 00:22:25,870 --> 00:22:27,730 So that's been really emotionally mind numbing. 371 00:22:27,730 --> 00:22:29,030 It's just... it's really hard. 372 00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:33,730 Everything just went to shit. 373 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,830 Even if it's your wife, it's hard for her to understand 374 00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:43,170 how you're going through it or how you're reacting 375 00:22:43,170 --> 00:22:47,300 and for a dad, it's different than a mom. 376 00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:54,100 My job, I thought, was try to keep our family afloat. 377 00:22:54,100 --> 00:22:56,970 So I really didn't show much emotion. 378 00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:59,370 Drew was a mess. 379 00:22:59,370 --> 00:23:02,670 I didn't, like, hold back my emotions, 380 00:23:02,670 --> 00:23:05,300 like, I don't care. 381 00:23:05,300 --> 00:23:08,200 Like, if I lose my shit, I lose my shit. 382 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,070 [dog barking] 383 00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:14,200 I started throwing shit, anything I could get my hands on. 384 00:23:16,670 --> 00:23:18,200 I've done a lot of things in anger. 385 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,870 There was one time, I came home, 386 00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:25,070 and everything in my yard got broke 387 00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:28,970 in the middle of the night and I just lost my shit. 388 00:23:28,970 --> 00:23:31,170 [Heather] I mean, completely understandable but I didn't want the kids to see 389 00:23:31,170 --> 00:23:35,970 both of us distraught and not able to do anything, 390 00:23:35,970 --> 00:23:39,300 even though I was like, going crazy inside. 391 00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:42,830 [Drew] It was just too much for our marriage to work through. 392 00:23:59,630 --> 00:24:02,600 One of the first stories that I wrote about the Evansdale case 393 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,930 was during the five-year anniversary of when they had been abducted. 394 00:24:10,030 --> 00:24:12,630 Even though five years had passed, 395 00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:17,400 the case was on everybody's minds in Evansdale. 396 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:22,900 I mean, there was still ribbons hanging up to rememberLyric and Elizabeth. 397 00:24:30,730 --> 00:24:32,470 [Larry]Not just in abduction case, but in any case, 398 00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:35,170 time on the front end is your enemy. 399 00:24:35,170 --> 00:24:39,230 The person who committed the crime has more time to recover psychologically, 400 00:24:39,230 --> 00:24:41,600 more time to get rid of physical evidence. 401 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,970 At some point, what you see sometimes is the reverse effect, 402 00:24:44,970 --> 00:24:47,770 as time goes on, time may work to your advantage. 403 00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:54,270 It's feasible that whoever did this told somebody some part of it 404 00:24:54,270 --> 00:24:58,030 or relationships change over time, people break up. 405 00:24:59,100 --> 00:25:00,300 If there's somebody that does know 406 00:25:00,300 --> 00:25:03,130 something about a case, sometimes as time goes by, 407 00:25:03,130 --> 00:25:06,130 they're more likely to come forward and say something. 408 00:25:06,130 --> 00:25:07,630 Time can become your ally. 409 00:25:23,630 --> 00:25:25,670 [Lihn] Belle Plaine, Iowa is a pretty small town. 410 00:25:25,670 --> 00:25:30,800 It's about 2,400 people, and it's just 50 miles south of Evansdale. 411 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:35,030 So, in the early morning on May 4th, 2018, 412 00:25:35,030 --> 00:25:41,500 Teresa Gerleman goes out and crosses the train track with her son, Henry Fields. 413 00:25:41,500 --> 00:25:42,500 [suspenseful music playing] 414 00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:44,500 [train crossing bell ringing] 415 00:25:48,730 --> 00:25:51,200 A conductor who was in an oncoming train, 416 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,130 says that he remembers seeing her going onto the track 417 00:25:55,070 --> 00:25:57,070 and then grabbing Henry's arm 418 00:25:57,070 --> 00:25:59,100 and pulling him onto the track as well, 419 00:25:59,100 --> 00:26:02,430 right before the train hits and kills both of them. 420 00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:11,100 [Dylan] Teresa Gerleman committed murder suicide with her son, Henry. 421 00:26:11,730 --> 00:26:13,000 Normally, you know, 422 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,900 I mean, that's just tragic in and of itself. 423 00:26:15,900 --> 00:26:18,930 But within, I believe, the first 24 hours, 424 00:26:18,930 --> 00:26:22,430 you know, there was rumblings about connection to the Evansdale case. 425 00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:31,070 What they had learned was that she had been dealing with mental health issues. 426 00:26:31,070 --> 00:26:35,670 She had been going to a local center for people with disabilities. 427 00:26:35,670 --> 00:26:39,230 What Teresa had told some of the staff at the center 428 00:26:39,230 --> 00:26:42,730 was that she was hanging out with these guys who said 429 00:26:42,730 --> 00:26:45,770 that they had murdered Lyric and Elizabeth. 430 00:26:45,770 --> 00:26:49,330 And they had given her a six-page letter, 431 00:26:49,330 --> 00:26:51,430 kind of detailing how it happened. 432 00:26:54,170 --> 00:26:56,300 [Drew]The DCI, they had went 433 00:26:56,300 --> 00:26:58,500 to her house after that and searched her house, 434 00:26:58,500 --> 00:27:00,670 and I know they left with, like, a box full of stuff. 435 00:27:00,670 --> 00:27:04,600 But supposedly it was a letter written from somebody, two guys. 436 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:05,900 I don't know who wrote that letter. 437 00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:07,630 They won't say who wrote that letter. 438 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,530 [Lihn] Most child predators are lone wolves, 439 00:27:12,530 --> 00:27:17,670 so to have possibly multiple people involved is really odd. 440 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,100 [Larry] If you talked to ten investigators, 441 00:27:21,100 --> 00:27:22,330 you could have ten different opinions 442 00:27:22,330 --> 00:27:24,400 and ten different, you know, arguments, 443 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,330 of if it was one person, it was two people, 444 00:27:26,330 --> 00:27:29,170 so I don't think you can take a position 445 00:27:29,170 --> 00:27:31,800 that it had to be two, or could have only been one. 446 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,400 I mean, until you know what happened, 447 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,970 uh, you have to consider both possibilities. 448 00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:44,530 [Trelka] In all likelihood, I venture to say one, but possibly two. 449 00:27:44,530 --> 00:27:46,430 We can't rule that out. 450 00:27:46,430 --> 00:27:49,670 I think every single scenario needs to be considered. 451 00:27:52,930 --> 00:27:56,530 They didn't find anything that was new or revelatory in the letter. 452 00:27:56,530 --> 00:27:58,500 So whatever it is, I don't know. 453 00:27:58,500 --> 00:28:01,230 Is it something that's a smoking gun? 454 00:28:01,230 --> 00:28:03,930 Or is it something that's... They know is nonsense. 455 00:28:03,930 --> 00:28:05,000 I don't know. They won't tell me. 456 00:28:06,570 --> 00:28:08,800 [soft music playing] 457 00:28:12,130 --> 00:28:14,670 Today marks six years since hunters found the bodies 458 00:28:14,670 --> 00:28:17,270 of two missing Black Hawk County cousins. 459 00:28:17,270 --> 00:28:19,830 Volunteers are helping build a beautiful memorial 460 00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:21,970 to remember Elizabeth and Lyric 461 00:28:21,970 --> 00:28:23,700 and other young victims. 462 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,130 This came together with a ton of people helping. 463 00:28:28,130 --> 00:28:29,400 Three... 464 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:30,570 One. 465 00:28:30,570 --> 00:28:31,630 We're open. 466 00:28:31,630 --> 00:28:33,070 [all cheering, clapping] 467 00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:36,930 You know, I ask a lot of questions, 468 00:28:36,930 --> 00:28:39,900 but I don't get a lot of answers when I talk to the police. 469 00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:45,230 Eight years running, and it's still an unsolved Evansdale criminal case. 470 00:28:45,230 --> 00:28:49,130 The DCI, they just... they keep everything very quiet, 471 00:28:49,130 --> 00:28:50,430 and they're very good at keeping secrets. 472 00:28:52,270 --> 00:28:54,170 But that doesn't mean they don't have something. 473 00:28:54,170 --> 00:28:56,530 We don't know what they have. 474 00:28:56,530 --> 00:28:59,770 They could have the card in their hand 475 00:28:59,770 --> 00:29:02,830 and they're just waiting for the other cards to match up with it 476 00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:06,200 and solve it. It could be solved Monday, 477 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,600 I don't-- Or tomorrow, who knows? 478 00:29:11,530 --> 00:29:13,830 Exactly ten years ago today, 479 00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:17,470 the first reports came in that Lyric and Elizabeth were missing. 480 00:29:17,470 --> 00:29:19,200 And Drew reminds everyone you're invited 481 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,330 to attend the tenth annual ride and drive for the girls. 482 00:29:22,330 --> 00:29:25,070 It's this Saturday morning at Lofty's in Evansdale. 483 00:29:25,070 --> 00:29:28,130 [man] There's still a lot of anger in the community over this. 484 00:29:28,130 --> 00:29:29,230 Somebody knows something 485 00:29:29,230 --> 00:29:30,970 -Yeah. -and they're gonna come forward. 486 00:29:30,970 --> 00:29:36,330 And, you know, I hope it does come out what happened, God willing. 487 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,900 [Drew] If anything, we're getting stronger 488 00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:41,330 and we're not going anywhere. 489 00:29:41,330 --> 00:29:44,100 We're gonna continue to get this case out there, 490 00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:48,200 and until it's solved, we want to bring this monster to justice. 491 00:29:57,530 --> 00:29:59,630 [intense music playing] 492 00:30:11,670 --> 00:30:14,200 [Dylan]What do you want the public to know about what's happened 493 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,130 with the investigation, where it seems to be? 494 00:30:16,130 --> 00:30:20,900 One, it's being actively investigated and two, we're not going anywhere. 495 00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:24,570 It's not sitting on a shelf somewhere gathering dust. 496 00:30:24,570 --> 00:30:29,430 We regularly carve out time to investigate this one with our team. 497 00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:33,370 We've had 117 tips in the last ten months. 498 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,730 [Dylan speaking] 499 00:30:44,570 --> 00:30:46,870 With Klunder specifically, 500 00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:51,200 I can't... I can't comment on a decision that wasn't mine to make. 501 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,570 And I'm certainly not gonna go... 502 00:30:52,570 --> 00:30:55,170 It was... I'm not going to say it was a right or wrong decision. 503 00:30:55,170 --> 00:30:57,330 I might have landed at a different place. 504 00:31:04,730 --> 00:31:07,300 [Dylan]There's been three double abductions in Iowa. 505 00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:10,430 The first one was in 1991, which is Michael Klunder. 506 00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:12,130 He goes to prison for 20 years. 507 00:31:12,130 --> 00:31:17,130 He gets out and then there's two double abductions within two years. 508 00:31:17,130 --> 00:31:21,600 And as soon as he dies, there's no more double abductions in Iowa. 509 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,670 They came back and said they had no evidence that Klunder was ever here. 510 00:31:27,670 --> 00:31:30,270 But to me, that doesn't mean he didn't do it. 511 00:31:30,270 --> 00:31:33,170 To me, he's the most likely suspect. 512 00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:37,400 [Dan]If he did come through town 513 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,070 and it was him that seen them ride their bikes? 514 00:31:41,070 --> 00:31:45,370 Absolutely, I think that he would track them to a place where it was secluded. 515 00:31:51,730 --> 00:31:54,330 [Trelka]My instincts are telling me 516 00:31:54,330 --> 00:31:56,500 that Michael Klunder could still be good for this. 517 00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:59,300 I'm uneasy with ruling him out. 518 00:31:59,300 --> 00:32:03,170 There's too many coincidences between Michael Klunder 519 00:32:03,170 --> 00:32:06,800 and the abduction he committed in Dayton compared to Evansdale. 520 00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:09,600 The police have never given us the piece of evidence 521 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,000 that says Michael Klunder didn't do this. 522 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,430 But you know, the way they ruled him out, 523 00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:16,270 they said, "We believe he was at home, 524 00:32:16,270 --> 00:32:17,970 or at work." 525 00:32:17,970 --> 00:32:21,700 Michael Klunder worked for a hog confinement company so he would travel 526 00:32:21,700 --> 00:32:25,800 you know, in between hog confinements, possibly one county, 527 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,900 into another county into another county. 528 00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:32,030 So if you're saying, you know, we believe he was at home or at work. 529 00:32:32,030 --> 00:32:34,500 I mean, what you're really saying to me is that you don't know where he was. 530 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,230 [Trelka] I would love to hear from DCI 531 00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:43,400 how they ruled Michael Klunder out as a suspect. 532 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,270 I think they had some cell phone tracking data or something. 533 00:32:47,270 --> 00:32:50,670 [Larry] You'd like to say, "Well, this person's cell phone never hit the towers 534 00:32:50,670 --> 00:32:54,170 near anyplace close to where it happened, so therefore they're not there. 535 00:32:54,170 --> 00:32:55,530 Well, that's not necessarily true. 536 00:32:55,530 --> 00:32:57,230 I could have left my cell phone 100 miles from here. 537 00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:59,100 If somebody was going to go commit a crime, 538 00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:01,470 they may intentionally do that for that purpose, 539 00:33:01,470 --> 00:33:04,530 you know, so their phone shows that they're someplace else. 540 00:33:05,870 --> 00:33:08,200 One of the big problems with Klunder was that 541 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,170 they couldn't ever concretely put him in Evansdale 542 00:33:11,170 --> 00:33:12,430 the day the girls went missing, 543 00:33:12,430 --> 00:33:16,070 and that was kind of the reason why they eliminated him 544 00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:19,130 as a suspect, at least publicly. 545 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:20,900 After digging around 546 00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:23,470 I found out that Michael Klunder had served time 547 00:33:23,470 --> 00:33:27,470 with two convicted felons named Troy Conkling, and Chris Ricketts. 548 00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:31,570 Chris Ricketts was convicted of multiple controlled substance violations 549 00:33:31,570 --> 00:33:33,830 and possession of a controlled substance. 550 00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:37,670 Troy Conkling was convicted of sexual abuse in the third degree 551 00:33:37,670 --> 00:33:41,770 on an adult woman and burglary in the first degree. 552 00:33:41,770 --> 00:33:46,230 Both men were living in Evansdale at the time of the abductions in 2012, 553 00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:48,130 after all three men had been released. 554 00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:08,370 [Ricketts speaking] 555 00:34:26,630 --> 00:34:28,530 [Sires speaking] 556 00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:33,870 [Ricketts speaking] 557 00:34:47,699 --> 00:34:48,570 [Sires speaking] 558 00:34:49,170 --> 00:34:50,600 [Ricketts speaking] 559 00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:09,800 [Dylan]That's new information. 560 00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:14,630 This raises a few questions, and I'm not really sure what to believe. 561 00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:16,400 If Chris Ricketts is telling the truth, 562 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,000 he is saying that Troy Conkling and Michael Klunder, 563 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,700 were together at the time of the abduction of Elizabeth 564 00:35:21,700 --> 00:35:25,100 and Lyric in Evansdale, but who knows? 565 00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:34,170 Drew wanted to hear Troy Conkling's side of the story. 566 00:35:34,170 --> 00:35:36,070 So he called Conkling's wife. 567 00:35:37,470 --> 00:35:40,000 Hey, what's up, Bobbi? Is Troy doing anything? 568 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,770 Is there any way he would talk to me tonight? 569 00:35:44,030 --> 00:35:45,100 Yeah. 570 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,670 Well, I mean, you guys got kids. 571 00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:59,070 You can understand where I'm coming from. 572 00:35:59,070 --> 00:36:02,930 I'm just... I'm just trying to... I've been waiting and waiting, 573 00:36:02,930 --> 00:36:04,830 and I'm just done waiting. 574 00:36:04,830 --> 00:36:07,170 I just wanna... kind of... 575 00:36:07,170 --> 00:36:08,570 Yeah, absolutely. 576 00:36:09,530 --> 00:36:11,170 It would be fine to just do a phone call 577 00:36:11,170 --> 00:36:13,070 if you would just call me and I could talk to him? 578 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,530 -Okay. Bye bye. Thanks.-Bye bye. 579 00:36:29,630 --> 00:36:32,130 I can hide my phone in my shirt, too, or no? 580 00:36:32,130 --> 00:36:34,970 -[Dylan] Yeah. -'Cause that's pretty obvious, a camera. 581 00:36:34,970 --> 00:36:36,170 Look at that. 582 00:36:36,170 --> 00:36:37,900 Isn't that fucking stupid? 583 00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:39,930 A lot of people carry their phones like that, though. 584 00:36:39,930 --> 00:36:40,930 Okay. 585 00:36:40,930 --> 00:36:43,530 All right, so we're gonna just run through this. 586 00:36:43,530 --> 00:36:49,530 Let's see. Like we got about six foot space here and, like, four foot here. 587 00:36:49,530 --> 00:36:51,800 -This is as close as I think we'll get. -Mm-hmm. 588 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,730 If he's there, I'll kind of try to angle to this side a little bit. 589 00:36:54,730 --> 00:36:57,270 Kind of put in your chest cavity right here. 590 00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:58,830 [man] Yeah, that should be good. 591 00:37:00,370 --> 00:37:02,100 [Dylan] Let's find another shirt. 592 00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:03,430 [intense music playing] 593 00:37:14,430 --> 00:37:16,600 One chance to do this. 594 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,270 That's what makes me nervous about this. 595 00:37:18,270 --> 00:37:19,930 Like I don't want to scare him off. 596 00:37:19,930 --> 00:37:22,430 I want to keep him talking. 597 00:37:22,430 --> 00:37:26,830 So I don't want to, like, come out right away and say 598 00:37:26,830 --> 00:37:29,670 anything that's gonna make him shut down. 599 00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:33,500 I want to keep him going, but I think it's gonna be... 600 00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:36,200 I think he's going to close down right away. 601 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,530 That's my guess. 602 00:37:43,500 --> 00:37:44,800 So I'm gonna park right... 603 00:37:45,870 --> 00:37:48,370 -[man] Um, here, here. -[Drew] Yeah. 604 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,700 [man speaking] 605 00:37:52,700 --> 00:37:53,900 Straight ahead. 606 00:37:54,930 --> 00:37:56,030 [Drew] I'm gonna go meet him. 607 00:37:56,030 --> 00:37:58,130 [Dylan] You're recording on your phone, right, Drew? 608 00:37:58,130 --> 00:37:59,930 -Yep. -Okay. 609 00:38:04,270 --> 00:38:05,600 [man] Holy shit. 610 00:38:11,570 --> 00:38:12,970 [Drew] Troy. 611 00:38:14,370 --> 00:38:17,270 -What's up, man? -Hello. 612 00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:19,600 -Who are you? Who are you? -Drew. 613 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,330 Drew Collins. 614 00:38:21,330 --> 00:38:23,200 -I don't remember you. -You're Troy? 615 00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:28,030 -Yeah, I'm Troy. -I'm Elizabeth's dad. 616 00:38:28,030 --> 00:38:30,170 -Elizabeth? -Elizabeth Collins. 617 00:38:36,030 --> 00:38:37,430 You talking about the girls in Evansdale? 618 00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:41,370 -Yeah. -Oh, yeah. The cops think it's fucking, um... 619 00:38:43,330 --> 00:38:44,200 Uh... 620 00:38:45,930 --> 00:38:47,730 Colombian, no, not Colombian. Mexican cartel. 621 00:38:47,730 --> 00:38:50,100 -You think? -That's what they told me. 622 00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:51,330 Well, I think it's Klunder. 623 00:38:51,330 --> 00:38:52,900 Michael Klunder's dead. 624 00:38:52,900 --> 00:38:54,500 Well, I know, but I think he did it. 625 00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:55,770 I think so, too. 626 00:38:56,730 --> 00:38:58,230 I did five years with him. 627 00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:59,700 He's a fucking weirdo. 628 00:39:00,470 --> 00:39:01,470 [Drew] Um... 629 00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:05,700 Did he ever come to Evansdale? 630 00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:08,500 I have no clue on that. Uh... 631 00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:11,170 -Do you know Chris Ricketts? -Yes, I know, Chris. 632 00:39:11,170 --> 00:39:13,870 Okay, he said that Klunder 633 00:39:13,870 --> 00:39:17,730 and you called him from town. 634 00:39:17,730 --> 00:39:20,500 And then Klunder talked to him on the cell phone. 635 00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:22,830 You guys are trying to hang out with Chris or something. 636 00:39:24,430 --> 00:39:26,730 Like you guys called him and you're like, "Hey, Klunder is here." 637 00:39:26,730 --> 00:39:28,070 No. 638 00:39:28,070 --> 00:39:30,730 No. Hell no, because Klunder never... I was never around Klunder. 639 00:39:30,730 --> 00:39:33,130 [Drew] Because he said Klunder was with you that day, 640 00:39:33,130 --> 00:39:35,130 that he talked to Klunder with your phone. 641 00:39:35,130 --> 00:39:37,770 I called Klunder from my mom's house, 642 00:39:37,770 --> 00:39:42,400 when I lived in Evansdale. And then I seen Ricketts at Walmart. 643 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,830 But I never used... 644 00:39:45,830 --> 00:39:47,500 I never let... Uh-uh. 645 00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:48,670 Hell, no. 646 00:39:48,670 --> 00:39:50,830 -He never talked to you about coming up here? -No. 647 00:39:50,830 --> 00:39:52,000 Not to visit or anything? 648 00:39:52,730 --> 00:39:54,170 -Fuck. -No. 649 00:39:54,170 --> 00:39:58,670 Like I said, when the cops pulled me in, it was to ask me about it. 650 00:39:58,670 --> 00:40:03,070 I was like, um, "Last time I talked to him was at my phone at my mom's house. 651 00:40:03,070 --> 00:40:04,370 "If you want, you can pull the records." 652 00:40:04,370 --> 00:40:05,570 "Well, that takes too long." I was like, "Yeah, 653 00:40:05,570 --> 00:40:07,270 "but you're accusing me, so why don't you fucking do it?" 654 00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:08,800 Because they had me in there three times. 655 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,070 [Drew] Oh, okay. Is there a reason you thought Klunder did it? 656 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,030 Klunder has priors for that. 657 00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:15,930 [Drew] Yeah. 658 00:40:18,070 --> 00:40:19,370 Dude, it's been ten years. 659 00:40:19,370 --> 00:40:21,270 -I just want to find out who killed my kid. -Yeah. 660 00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:26,930 And if it is Klunder, then I just want to be able to, 661 00:40:26,930 --> 00:40:28,670 you know, put that to rest. 662 00:40:29,530 --> 00:40:31,470 Do you think he did our girls or not? 663 00:40:31,470 --> 00:40:35,130 Yes, that's... that's my own opinion. 664 00:40:35,130 --> 00:40:36,600 But yes. 665 00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:41,430 -[Drew] Yeah? -By himself? 666 00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:43,830 -No. Like I said-- -Who would he come up here 667 00:40:43,830 --> 00:40:47,230 -to do that with? -Trust me, there's a lot of weirdos out... 668 00:40:47,230 --> 00:40:49,730 -And then you get into prison. -But you think he could have just 669 00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:52,600 -come here with somebody else or? -I don't know. 670 00:40:53,770 --> 00:40:55,570 -Uh... -Well, I appreciate you talking to me. 671 00:40:55,570 --> 00:40:57,430 Yeah, no problem. 672 00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:58,670 [Dylan] Now they're walking back. 673 00:41:00,370 --> 00:41:01,830 I'm not feeling so good. [coughs] 674 00:41:01,830 --> 00:41:07,400 So... [coughs] If you catch, like, a stomach flu or something, I apologize. 675 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,270 Oh, all right. Good talking to you, man. 676 00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:19,330 [Dylan] All right... 677 00:41:22,170 --> 00:41:23,330 Well, at least he talked to me. 678 00:41:24,830 --> 00:41:29,530 But as far as he says, that phone call with Ricketts never happened. 679 00:41:30,670 --> 00:41:32,570 [Dylan] The next question is, should we call Chris? 680 00:41:33,530 --> 00:41:34,670 [Drew] I will. 681 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:37,770 [cell phone ringing] 682 00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:46,530 He'll answer. 683 00:41:46,530 --> 00:41:48,270 -Drew. -What's up? 684 00:41:48,270 --> 00:41:49,900 What are you doing? 685 00:41:49,900 --> 00:41:54,730 Nothing. I just went and I caught Troy out of his house 686 00:41:54,730 --> 00:41:57,470 -and I went and recorded our conversation with him.-Oh. 687 00:41:57,470 --> 00:41:58,800 What'd he say? 688 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,970 He said that him and Klunder did not call you. 689 00:42:01,970 --> 00:42:03,830 No, no, no, no. I met them both. 690 00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:09,030 -Where?-Right down the street from your house, pretty much. 691 00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:10,200 Right in Evansdale. 692 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,870 -I can't remember exactly where-- -So he was there? 693 00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:14,470 Yeah, I've seen him face to face. 694 00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:16,400 The only time I've ever seen him out of prison, you know? 695 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,700 Klunder had just been out within the year or two or whatever. 696 00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:21,500 So that's why I was kind of wondering why he was up there. 697 00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:23,230 I know I seen them two together. 698 00:42:23,230 --> 00:42:24,600 I don't know when, what time. 699 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,300 But I know it was, you know, in the neighborhood of your house. 700 00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:28,800 That's the only time I had seen him. 701 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,800 -I know, I know.-I just remember seeing Klunder and shaking his hand. 702 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,300 The police have never talked to you? 703 00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:35,400 No, why would they? 704 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,270 Well, that's pretty big, dude. 705 00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:41,300 Oh, I know it is now, but in hindsight, why would they have talked to me before? 706 00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:44,230 All right, man. Do you care if I use this audio? 707 00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:45,470 Are you recording me? 708 00:42:45,470 --> 00:42:48,000 -I always record you.-Why? 709 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,630 I'm wired like the FBI, man. 710 00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:52,430 -All right. Later, bud. -Okay, bye. 711 00:42:55,300 --> 00:42:57,800 [somber music playing] 712 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,200 -[Drew] Hello? -[Dylan] Drew, what's going on? 713 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,070 So, it's been a couple of days. 714 00:43:09,070 --> 00:43:10,570 I mean, were you surprised? 715 00:43:10,570 --> 00:43:14,500 I mean, I was surprised that Chris was never questioned by law enforcement. 716 00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:15,730 [Drew sighs] Yep. 717 00:43:15,730 --> 00:43:18,630 [Dylan] If what Chris Ricketts is saying... If his story 718 00:43:19,470 --> 00:43:21,670 is 100% true, 719 00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:25,530 that means he's shaking hands with Michael Klunder in Evansdale. 720 00:43:25,530 --> 00:43:28,170 What would you think would have happened 721 00:43:28,170 --> 00:43:30,170 if Michael Klunder was in Evansdale? 722 00:43:30,170 --> 00:43:32,700 Then definitely Klunder did it. 723 00:43:32,700 --> 00:43:36,130 I mean, Michael Klunder is a fricking animal, dude. 724 00:43:36,130 --> 00:43:39,430 The fact that he's even saw the light of day is a crime. 725 00:43:41,730 --> 00:43:45,130 [Dylan] Troy Conkling denied ever meeting Michael Klunder in Evansdale, 726 00:43:45,130 --> 00:43:49,430 but Chris Ricketts said he shook Klunder's hands somewhere in Evansdale. 727 00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:52,300 These two conflicting stories could provide a new lead. 728 00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:54,470 For police to investigate. 729 00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:57,230 If Michael Klunder was in the area around the time of Lyric 730 00:43:57,230 --> 00:44:00,670 and Elizabeth's abduction, it could be a game changer. 731 00:44:02,130 --> 00:44:06,000 It might even be the major break that could help close this case 732 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,070 and finally give these families some peace. 733 00:44:27,370 --> 00:44:30,570 I don't think all of us have been together 734 00:44:30,570 --> 00:44:33,170 since the... Probably Lyric's funeral. 735 00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:35,870 So... 736 00:44:36,330 --> 00:44:37,470 Ten years later. 737 00:44:38,530 --> 00:44:40,530 Some people are a little apprehensive, 738 00:44:40,530 --> 00:44:42,570 but we'll just see how it goes with everybody. 739 00:44:42,570 --> 00:44:45,500 I'm not angry at anybody really anymore. 740 00:44:48,830 --> 00:44:50,330 I love Heather. 741 00:44:50,330 --> 00:44:51,400 I miss her. 742 00:44:54,930 --> 00:45:00,070 She kind of, like, just kind of cut us off from the whole family. 743 00:45:00,070 --> 00:45:02,900 Losing the girls really just blew us all apart. 744 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,270 You know, when your world is coming down around you and you're helpless 745 00:45:08,270 --> 00:45:12,230 and you can't do anything about it, you do and say things 746 00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:15,270 that you normally probably wouldn't. 747 00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:20,400 Before Lyric and Elizabeth happened, it was, like, so important 748 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,530 to, like, be together for, like, family holidays 749 00:45:23,530 --> 00:45:25,900 and for us kids to all spend time together 750 00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:27,830 and know each other and be really close. 751 00:45:27,830 --> 00:45:31,070 [all]โ™ช Ring around the roses โ™ช 752 00:45:31,070 --> 00:45:34,870 And after it happened, everybody really like 753 00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:38,870 took their own road to, like, trying to cope. 754 00:45:41,570 --> 00:45:44,370 We've tried to mend our ways 755 00:45:44,370 --> 00:45:49,830 and, you know, engage together, but it just doesn't seem to work. 756 00:45:49,830 --> 00:45:53,500 All right, we're coming up on the cemetery right here. 757 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,100 It's just weird to come out here, for me. 758 00:45:58,100 --> 00:46:02,200 You shouldn't be visiting your eight-year-old daughter here. 759 00:46:08,670 --> 00:46:11,400 -[child speaking indistinctly] -Ooh, I love your outfits. 760 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:15,600 -[Drew] Hi, Mama. -[Tammy] Hi, Mama. 761 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,070 [Heather] Hi, Mama. 762 00:46:24,700 --> 00:46:28,230 [Drew] I just wanted to get everybody together, 763 00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:29,730 like, no matter what our differences are, 764 00:46:30,770 --> 00:46:32,130 or what's happened, like, 765 00:46:32,130 --> 00:46:35,100 the girls are way more important and bigger than all that. 766 00:46:35,100 --> 00:46:37,170 It's been ten years, we need to come together. 767 00:46:37,970 --> 00:46:39,530 [Tammy] Yeah. 768 00:46:39,530 --> 00:46:45,530 Heavenly Father, thank you for bringing the group of people around us today 769 00:46:45,530 --> 00:46:50,330 to hopefully solve something that's been going on for nearly ten years. 770 00:46:50,330 --> 00:46:53,670 We miss Lizzie and Lyric, they suffer no more. 771 00:47:03,130 --> 00:47:04,600 [girl sobbing] 772 00:47:09,730 --> 00:47:12,630 Look, there's my daughter. 773 00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:15,700 Isn't she pretty? 774 00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:20,130 [Tammy] Hummingbird. 775 00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:25,930 [woman] It's my first time here. 776 00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:29,570 Do you know that? 777 00:47:35,630 --> 00:47:38,600 -[Drew] Hey, guys, we're gonna walk down to Lizzie's. -[Heather] Okay. 778 00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:43,730 [sighs] 779 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,270 Put them down in there, Mom, or do you want me to do it for you? 780 00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:58,830 Hi, Mom. 781 00:48:10,070 --> 00:48:11,200 [Heather]You think of what they'd be doing. 782 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:12,700 She would have been graduating. 783 00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:15,730 Like what she would have picked for a prom dress. 784 00:48:15,730 --> 00:48:17,300 I'm sure lots of glitter. 785 00:48:17,300 --> 00:48:19,500 Would she have been in volleyball with all her other friends 786 00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:23,700 and what kind of car she could have talked her dad into getting, you know? 787 00:48:23,700 --> 00:48:25,730 Right, Drew? [chuckles softly, sniffles] 788 00:48:25,730 --> 00:48:27,100 She had a wonderful smile. 789 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,430 Just lit up the room. 790 00:48:32,970 --> 00:48:35,330 [Dan]I just don't understand it. 791 00:48:35,330 --> 00:48:38,230 Understand why, I don't understand how, I don't understand anything. 792 00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:39,530 We just gotta move on, you know? 793 00:48:39,530 --> 00:48:40,800 And that's hard. 794 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:44,800 But at the same time, we just got to understand 795 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,500 that, you know, we're gonna see them again, 796 00:48:46,500 --> 00:48:52,130 and that's why my faith and my belief, so just gotta come together, be stronger. 797 00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:54,930 Just gonna let them be something that tears us apart? 798 00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,630 Say, Daddy, I miss you. 799 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,670 Hi, Mommy! 800 00:49:18,670 --> 00:49:19,870 I love you! 801 00:49:19,870 --> 00:49:21,800 I love you, by the way. 65848

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