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Eight blows in the back of
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the head.
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And one in the front,
which fractured the skull.
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What kind of person does that?
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It's a bit thinner than a scaffold bar,
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about two foot long.
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He's obviously coming here, come by there.
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I was kneeling down, tuning a TV in.
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He started hitting me across the head for no
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reason at all.
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And I was just blacking out.
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And when I managed to turn around,
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I remember it in the front,
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I remember blood running down my face.
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I've jumped out the window
onto the bottom lawn,
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and, obviously, made me escape
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through the gate and down the road.
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If I would've stayed in that flat,
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I would be a dead man.
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He was intending to kill me.
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100%.
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Why was he trying to kill you?
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-That's exactly what David Morris does.
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He picks up tools and hits people with them.
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That's why that family tragically lost
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their lives.
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This was, and still is,
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the biggest murder inquiry ever seen in
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South Wales.
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After months of awful frustrating work,
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police have now arrested the 38 year old man
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on suspicion of murder.
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For four days and they released
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the bastard.
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You fucking bastard!
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Police have already searched
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woodland near the village of Craig Cefn Parc
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in the flat where David Morris was
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arrested on Tuesday.
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Today, a second house in Swansea was also
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targeted and a number of items
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removed from inside.
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Swansea magistrates also granted detectives
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a 28 hour extension to continue questioning
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David Morris.
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The latest deadline runs out in
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4 and a half hours.
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This interview is being
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tape recorded and video recorded.
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And the light is illuminated.
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And the room is being monitored.
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I am Detective Sergeant 430, Phil Reese.
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Also present is.
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Uh David Hutchison,
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Solicitor.
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I'll just say to you again.
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And David, you don't have to say anything,
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but it may harm your defense if
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you do not mention.
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-Mr.
-David Hutchison was
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the defense lawyer.
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Do you understand that?
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Yes.
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He was the senior solicitor,
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my boss.
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I was a trainee solicitor.
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And it was the first thing that
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I was involved in.
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So it was massive,
particularly for a trainee.
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-Mr.
-Hutchison is here to
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represent you,
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you're entitled to free
and independent legal.
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The one question that people
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have always asked me is,
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"Who do you think did it?"
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And what do you say?
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-I tell them who I think did it.
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I spent every working day with him.
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I never once thought that this guy
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was lying to me,
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or was capable of those murders.
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But David Morris was not liked by
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South Wales Police.
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There had been a previous case involving
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a Mr. Wassell.
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He was actually found "not guilty" by a jury.
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And the police felt that David Morris had
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got away with it.
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David Morris had
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18 months to prepare for this interview.
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And as the evidence came forward,
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he lied, and lied, and lied again.
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I think I'll move on to
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Saturday, the 26th of June.
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Okay?
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On the camera now, what would you say were
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your movements that day?
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Talk me through it again.
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What did you do through the day
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and through the evening?
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Uh.
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He said that
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he'd been out that afternoon,
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having some drinks, watching the rugby.
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And during the course of that afternoon,
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he had a round with his
partner, Mandy Jewell.
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When she went home with her daughter,
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he remained in the pub drinking.
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Round about half past 11,
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Morris then leaves the pub.
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And he decided to walk to his parents' house,
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some five miles away.
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But he decided halfway through the walk,
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"I'm not gonna go to my parents' house."
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"I'm now gonna return home."
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And he said he got home
about half past four in
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the morning.
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Now, Mandy Jewell,
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she said, she's woken up by the door opening
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and the dogs didn't bark.
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So she assumed it was David Morris coming in,
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but there's just no time he came home.
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So in the end he had no alibi.
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-No.
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The following morning after the murders,
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Janice Williams, who used to live next door
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to Morris, came to the police station.
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And she said that after Mandy Jewell left
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the pub,
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she remained in the pub drinking with Morris.
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And that he'd been taken amphetamine.
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You could tell by
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his eyes,
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if he's been taking anything.
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You can tell straight away.
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And what did the look in
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his eyes tell you?
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-His eyes were wild.
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And during
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the course of the conversation,
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Mandy Power's name came up.
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He Said, "She's an evil cow."
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"She's horrible."
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"She's not capable of
looking after her children
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or her mother."
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And you know, he was
slacking her off big time.
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And he left.
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No, Janice Williams
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didn't like David Morris.
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And she always had a suspicions that
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he was responsible.
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But this one thing about having suspicions,
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what you need is evidence.
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And what we needed was
the link from the scene to
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David Morris.
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I was the first
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forensic scientist at Kelvin Road.
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It was a very chaotic crime scene.
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There was a lot of smoke damage,
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heat damage.
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There was soot over everything, water damage.
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There were occasions where we'd hoped
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to get results, which we didn't get results.
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The most significant
finding was the gold chain.
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It was lying in a pool of Mandy's blood
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at the foot of Doris' bed,
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where she'd been beaten to death.
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This is
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a photograph taken by
a scenes of crime officer
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by Doris Dawson's bed on the floor.
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If you look at that photograph,
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you'll see a gold chain on the floor,
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have a look on that.
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They had this chain in
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the middle of a murder scene.
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The police were intent then on proving that
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the chain was David Morris's.
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It seems to me
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that chain, in fact, had been pulled off
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and put up.
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What sort of struggle was going on?
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We were quite keen to see if
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we could find any DNA that was from
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the original owner of the chain.
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But because it was so
heavily contaminated with
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Mandy's blood, we weren't able to get any
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stranger profile from it.
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But the fact that the clasp was missing was
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very significant.
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Also, I'm gonna show you
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a photograph of you.
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Just to prove identity, I'm showing that
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photograph now.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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On that photograph, you can clearly see
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you wearing that chain.
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We've got a photograph recovered in
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Morris' home of him with Mandy Jewell,
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wearing a chain.
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And you can see in the photograph,
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the chain has been broken.
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At some stage, a very cheap repair has been
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put on it.
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-The chain that we've recovered from
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9 Kelvin road, David, is that chain yours?
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-No, it's not my chain.
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No, I swear to God,
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it's not my chain.
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On my children's lives,
that's not my chain, no.
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No.
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Your chain,
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was it ever left at
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Mandy Power's house?
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-Never, never left at Mandy Power's.
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No.
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You sure about that?
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-I am positive.
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My chain's never been left at Mandy Power's.
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Over three days of
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interview, he was asked repeatedly about
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this chain.
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He said that chain is not,
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you shown him the chain,
"That's not my chain."
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"I had my chain on that night."
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"I was wearing it that night."
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And in fact, "I lost it two weeks later on
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a building site."
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I was carrying breeze blocks
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and slabs.
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When the weight went on it and it just
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snapped it.
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It snapped the back of the link.
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Carried it in my pocket,
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I don't think it was about
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two days before I realized
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it was missing.
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We went back to
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that building site and we lifted the patio,
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but there was no chain there.
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But David Marsh used to work for a guy called
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Eric Williams.
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Now Eric Williams was a very interesting
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individual.
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He was Morris' cousin.
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And a statement was taken from him.
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One of the first things that Eric tells us
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that you said to him, okay?
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You asked him, "Can I borrow some money?"
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"Please, Sir, don't go
ask me where my chain is."
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"I need to get a new one."
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What could you tell me about that then?
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-Umm.
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Detectives hunting
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the Clydach murderer have revealed
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a gold chain found at the murder scene
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that was probably torn
from the killer's neck in
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a violent struggle.
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Here's our chief reporter, Penny Roberts.
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Eric took me to sell them
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this car to go down and get a chain.
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Why?
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Because I didn't wanna
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be seen without my chain.
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Because it, frankly,
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I haven't got the best reputation.
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Let me clarify.
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When I lost me chain, I panicked.
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So Eric offered to get me chain.
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And I said that that was the same chain as
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the original one.
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When the chain became
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an issue then,
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why didn't you come and tell us then?
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-Um, well, to be honest,
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the South Wales Police haven't got
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the best record for catching the right people
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with it.
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As far as I'm concerned,
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I haven't done nothing wrong.
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So it's like.
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We weren't telling lies that were covering up
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for murder.
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Do you know?
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We were telling lies that was
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giving us peace of mind.
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Is there anything that
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you need to say that
you omitted to say so far?
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No, that's the last of it.
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Alright, going with
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Eric says, that weeks after
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this first disclosure to him, by you,
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regarding mention of the chain,
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you said to him, "I knew
that made a good Mandy."
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"In fact, I was screwing her Friday."
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-Friday?
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I didn't say Friday.
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What sort of
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conversation did you have then?
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-I told Eric that I had sex with Mandy.
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Yeah.
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-Um.
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You've just disclosed
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to me, something totally new.
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This, David, is a very important issue.
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Eric's added that you said,
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"My chain is still with Mandy."
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I didn't say that at all.
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What I said to Eric is exactly,
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it looks exactly the same as my chain.
311
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And I didn't say it was my chain at all.
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You've got that totally bloody wrong.
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Totally wrong.
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That's the God's honest truth,
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I didn't say nothing to him.
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The fact that you were
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digging holes there for yourself is
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the fact that the chain in this photograph
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is your chain.
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That's why you've dug yourself a hole.
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It's not my chain.
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00:16:16,724 --> 00:16:17,900
Why is Eric Williams
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providing us a statement that David Morris
324
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told me two days after the murders,
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00:16:21,827 --> 00:16:24,097
that he had sex with Mandy Power on Friday.
326
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And the fact that he's left his chain
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at that scene.
328
00:16:27,655 --> 00:16:28,619
What have you gotta say about that, David?
329
00:16:28,620 --> 00:16:29,450
-No, totally wrong.
330
00:16:29,451 --> 00:16:30,999
No, he's wrong.
331
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He's totally wrong.
332
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That's why you didn't
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come in til four o'clock that night.
334
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'Cause you were at Mandy Power's house,
335
00:16:37,138 --> 00:16:38,998
9 Kelvin Road, Saturday night.
336
00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,100
That is the truth, David.
337
00:16:40,103 --> 00:16:41,378
-No, it's not.
338
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And the lies
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00:16:42,310 --> 00:16:43,241
and deceit that you've made over
340
00:16:43,242 --> 00:16:45,412
this last year or so is because
341
00:16:45,413 --> 00:16:48,309
that chain of yours was left at Mandy's house
342
00:16:48,310 --> 00:16:49,790
that night and you didn't realize.
343
00:16:49,793 --> 00:16:51,273
-No.
344
00:16:51,275 --> 00:16:52,645
Definitely not.
345
00:16:52,655 --> 00:16:53,955
No.
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00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:01,790
But that concludes
347
00:17:01,794 --> 00:17:03,002
this interview, Dave.
348
00:17:03,003 --> 00:17:04,480
Is there anything you wish to add?
349
00:17:04,482 --> 00:17:06,652
Or clarifying with regards
to what was just said?
350
00:17:06,655 --> 00:17:08,475
We were just stupid.
351
00:17:08,482 --> 00:17:09,723
That's all we were, we were stupid.
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00:17:09,724 --> 00:17:11,144
We were scared and we were stupid.
353
00:17:11,145 --> 00:17:12,097
Okay.
354
00:17:12,104 --> 00:17:15,688
The time is now 9:38:7.
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And I'm stopping the recording.
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South Wales police,
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00:17:20,693 --> 00:17:22,826
have tonight, charged a 38 year old man
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00:17:22,827 --> 00:17:24,267
with the Clydach murders.
359
00:17:24,275 --> 00:17:26,715
David Morris, a scrap
metal dealer from Swansea
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00:17:26,724 --> 00:17:29,309
is accused of murdering Mandy Power.
361
00:17:29,310 --> 00:17:30,550
When he was charged with
362
00:17:30,551 --> 00:17:33,791
the homicides, he was allowed one phone call.
363
00:17:35,896 --> 00:17:37,616
And he rang Eric Williams.
364
00:17:39,620 --> 00:17:40,960
And he said,
365
00:17:40,965 --> 00:17:42,715
in front of everybody in the custody suite,
366
00:17:42,724 --> 00:17:44,454
"Eric, I'll never forgive you for what
367
00:17:44,455 --> 00:17:45,895
you've just done."
368
00:17:45,896 --> 00:17:46,996
And put the phone down.
369
00:17:49,827 --> 00:17:51,447
A patrol car led the convoy
370
00:17:51,448 --> 00:17:53,338
that brought David Morris to the court from
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Morriston Police Station where he'd been held
372
00:17:55,793 --> 00:17:58,003
overnight since the
decision to charge him with
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four counts of murder yesterday afternoon.
374
00:18:00,689 --> 00:18:03,239
Shortly afterwards,
members of his family arrive
375
00:18:03,241 --> 00:18:04,211
for the hearing.
376
00:18:07,724 --> 00:18:09,309
-I remember seeing him,
377
00:18:09,310 --> 00:18:10,790
he hadn't slept for a week.
378
00:18:13,275 --> 00:18:14,240
He just kept saying, it'd be all right.
379
00:18:14,241 --> 00:18:15,070
It'd be okay.
380
00:18:15,071 --> 00:18:15,928
It'd be okay.
381
00:18:15,932 --> 00:18:17,171
It'd be okay.
382
00:18:17,172 --> 00:18:18,932
And we were all thinking
it's not gonna be okay.
383
00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,280
And my heart just broke.
384
00:18:23,448 --> 00:18:26,168
Just seeing him, my heart just broke.
385
00:18:26,172 --> 00:18:27,212
We just all cried.
386
00:18:30,517 --> 00:18:31,377
We just cried.
387
00:18:34,620 --> 00:18:35,790
During the three hour long
388
00:18:35,793 --> 00:18:37,033
hearing,
389
00:18:37,034 --> 00:18:38,554
a crowd had gathered behind the barriers
390
00:18:38,555 --> 00:18:40,961
to watch him being driven
away to Swansea prison,
391
00:18:40,965 --> 00:18:42,645
where he'll be held until his next
392
00:18:42,655 --> 00:18:44,405
court appearance.
393
00:18:44,413 --> 00:18:45,653
We still couldn't believe
394
00:18:45,655 --> 00:18:47,585
there was gonna be an actual trial.
395
00:18:51,310 --> 00:18:53,309
Because they never had any evidence
396
00:18:53,310 --> 00:18:55,860
to place my brother at the scene.
397
00:18:55,862 --> 00:18:57,032
Nothing made sense.
398
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,895
Those first three investigations
399
00:19:11,896 --> 00:19:14,166
into the chain came back negative.
400
00:19:14,172 --> 00:19:18,309
They could not link that
chain to David Morris
401
00:19:18,310 --> 00:19:20,790
and David always denied
that it was his chain.
402
00:19:23,137 --> 00:19:25,337
They sent it away another time.
403
00:19:30,206 --> 00:19:31,516
We send the chain to
404
00:19:31,517 --> 00:19:33,647
a metal expert to try and prove
405
00:19:33,655 --> 00:19:35,065
it's been stretched or not.
406
00:19:38,344 --> 00:19:39,934
So the metal guy said, "I cannot tell you if
407
00:19:39,935 --> 00:19:41,411
it's been stretched or not,
408
00:19:41,413 --> 00:19:43,933
but are you aware that
in the links of this chain
409
00:19:43,934 --> 00:19:45,101
is brick dust?"
410
00:19:48,551 --> 00:19:50,171
And also he said, "On the chain is some
411
00:19:50,172 --> 00:19:51,482
green paint."
412
00:19:56,793 --> 00:19:58,003
So armed with this information
413
00:19:58,004 --> 00:19:59,620
we went back to Morris' house.
414
00:20:03,620 --> 00:20:06,480
And in the kitchen,
under three layers of paint,
415
00:20:08,413 --> 00:20:10,003
was the same green paint.
416
00:20:14,724 --> 00:20:17,550
So then, before the trial was due to start,
417
00:20:17,551 --> 00:20:19,619
David Morris admitted it was
418
00:20:19,620 --> 00:20:21,860
his chain found at the murder scene.
419
00:20:25,172 --> 00:20:28,999
He then said that, "I
saw Mandy on the Friday",
420
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,690
the day before the murders,
421
00:20:31,827 --> 00:20:34,337
and we had sex in her house and my chain
422
00:20:34,344 --> 00:20:36,654
must have dropped out
of my pocket and stayed at
423
00:20:36,655 --> 00:20:37,405
the scene.
424
00:20:40,379 --> 00:20:42,239
Why did Dai lie about
425
00:20:42,241 --> 00:20:44,411
the gold chain being his to the police?
426
00:20:47,275 --> 00:20:48,095
-What can I say?
427
00:20:48,103 --> 00:20:49,003
He was scared.
428
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:52,170
And I can understand him being scared.
429
00:20:54,034 --> 00:20:56,102
If Mandy Jewell had found out about
430
00:20:56,103 --> 00:20:58,550
the relationship with Mandy Power,
431
00:20:58,551 --> 00:21:00,071
she'd have fucking killed him.
432
00:21:01,724 --> 00:21:04,033
That she would've fucking killed him.
433
00:21:04,034 --> 00:21:06,516
And there's no other way to put that.
434
00:21:06,517 --> 00:21:08,307
So he's obviously not gonna let it get out
435
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:10,310
that he was seeing her best friend.
436
00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:14,960
He wasn't a well liked individual.
437
00:21:14,965 --> 00:21:18,305
He had some serious previous convictions.
438
00:21:19,724 --> 00:21:23,594
And people do strange
things when they ask it.
439
00:21:26,137 --> 00:21:27,377
There's no way on
440
00:21:27,379 --> 00:21:28,279
this earth she'd ever have an affair with
441
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:29,516
that man.
442
00:21:29,517 --> 00:21:31,136
Which version of what Morris says,
443
00:21:31,137 --> 00:21:32,377
do they want to believe?
444
00:21:32,379 --> 00:21:34,589
Why was he changing his story every five,
445
00:21:34,590 --> 00:21:35,476
10 minutes.
446
00:21:36,344 --> 00:21:37,309
He's a killer.
447
00:21:37,310 --> 00:21:38,140
He's a murderer.
448
00:21:47,241 --> 00:21:48,516
-Good evening.
449
00:21:48,517 --> 00:21:51,027
The most eagerly awaited
murder trial in years
450
00:21:51,034 --> 00:21:53,004
has finally begun.
451
00:21:56,241 --> 00:21:57,550
Just before 10 o'clock
452
00:21:57,551 --> 00:21:59,031
this morning,
453
00:21:59,034 --> 00:22:00,622
the van bringing David
Morris the short distance
454
00:22:00,623 --> 00:22:01,760
from Swansea Prison swept into
455
00:22:01,761 --> 00:22:03,448
the court precincts.
456
00:22:05,310 --> 00:22:07,895
Inside, the 39 year old scrap metal merchant
457
00:22:07,896 --> 00:22:09,336
from Craig Cefn Parc.
458
00:22:10,517 --> 00:22:13,585
He denies all the charges against him.
459
00:22:13,586 --> 00:22:15,166
It was a huge trial.
460
00:22:18,103 --> 00:22:21,481
It was in Swansea Crown Court.
461
00:22:21,482 --> 00:22:24,032
Not the modern courthouse but
462
00:22:24,034 --> 00:22:27,004
the old fashioned courtroom over the road.
463
00:22:29,103 --> 00:22:30,792
It was very Dickensian.
464
00:22:30,793 --> 00:22:32,243
There were loads of journalists,
465
00:22:32,244 --> 00:22:35,447
loads of cameramen waiting for
466
00:22:35,448 --> 00:22:38,098
the various actors in this trial.
467
00:22:39,275 --> 00:22:41,065
The family of his alleged victims had
468
00:22:41,068 --> 00:22:43,898
arrived shortly before
in two people carriers.
469
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,449
In the packed public gallery, too,
470
00:22:46,450 --> 00:22:48,308
were the defendant's fathers, sister,
471
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:49,210
and daughters.
472
00:22:56,827 --> 00:22:59,857
I think people wanted
to know about it because
473
00:22:59,862 --> 00:23:01,826
Clydachs a little village.
474
00:23:01,827 --> 00:23:04,097
And the fact that three generations of
475
00:23:04,103 --> 00:23:07,833
one family were battered to death.
476
00:23:08,827 --> 00:23:10,307
And they wanted to know why.
477
00:23:12,241 --> 00:23:13,930
And I'm not sure we know the answer now.
478
00:23:13,931 --> 00:23:15,171
Don't think we do, do we?
479
00:23:21,448 --> 00:23:24,998
This is the first proper
day of the first trial.
480
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,999
And you know, I've put here, 10:30,
481
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,410
David Morris comes in and then
482
00:23:29,413 --> 00:23:30,723
Patrick Harrington QC,
483
00:23:30,724 --> 00:23:33,654
he starts his opening speech.
484
00:23:38,931 --> 00:23:42,341
Patrick Harrington is a great barrister.
485
00:23:44,482 --> 00:23:47,002
He's from Ebbw Vale in the valleys.
486
00:23:47,965 --> 00:23:49,655
He's very theatrical.
487
00:23:52,206 --> 00:23:54,546
Patrick Harrington is the sort of barrister
488
00:23:55,965 --> 00:23:57,375
that if you are accused of murder,
489
00:23:57,379 --> 00:23:58,759
you'd want him on your team.
490
00:24:01,413 --> 00:24:03,143
But at David Morris's trial,
491
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:07,830
he was the QC for the prosecution.
492
00:24:10,620 --> 00:24:12,999
-Right.
493
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,240
This is a case where four victims
494
00:24:16,241 --> 00:24:19,999
of one family were bludgeoned to death
495
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,170
by the defendant, David Morris.
496
00:24:23,896 --> 00:24:27,476
When you have heard all of this evidence,
497
00:24:27,482 --> 00:24:29,999
it will be your conclusion that
498
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,900
the killer had a number of attributes
499
00:24:34,241 --> 00:24:38,101
and the capacity for
extreme rage and violence.
500
00:24:40,344 --> 00:24:42,664
This was not merely murder,
501
00:24:44,482 --> 00:24:45,832
this was a massacre.
502
00:24:47,586 --> 00:24:49,996
The prosecution put the case against
503
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,720
David Morris on several bases.
504
00:24:53,724 --> 00:24:56,757
Firstly, that he lied about the ownership of
505
00:24:56,758 --> 00:25:00,408
the chain and he continued to lie,
506
00:25:00,413 --> 00:25:02,343
even swearing on his children's life,
507
00:25:02,344 --> 00:25:04,454
that that was not his chain.
508
00:25:05,655 --> 00:25:06,585
As the murder
509
00:25:06,587 --> 00:25:07,757
investigation intensified,
510
00:25:07,758 --> 00:25:10,516
the chain was the focus of huge publicity.
511
00:25:10,517 --> 00:25:12,516
Detectives called a news conference in
512
00:25:12,517 --> 00:25:14,447
the hope of getting new leads.
513
00:25:14,448 --> 00:25:15,688
The original phrase,
514
00:25:15,689 --> 00:25:18,649
which had been used by the press was,
515
00:25:18,655 --> 00:25:20,375
"Find the owner of the chain and you find
516
00:25:20,379 --> 00:25:22,136
the murderer."
517
00:25:22,137 --> 00:25:23,277
And that's what we did.
518
00:25:24,862 --> 00:25:26,171
Builder Eric Williams said,
519
00:25:26,172 --> 00:25:27,930
David Morris asked him to buy
520
00:25:27,931 --> 00:25:30,271
an identical chain to show the police.
521
00:25:30,275 --> 00:25:31,205
He wasn't
522
00:25:31,207 --> 00:25:33,307
a normal member of the public.
523
00:25:33,310 --> 00:25:35,410
He was a flawed member of the public
524
00:25:35,413 --> 00:25:37,213
and someone with a criminal record.
525
00:25:38,344 --> 00:25:39,834
In 1987, he was jailed for
526
00:25:39,835 --> 00:25:41,687
conspiracy to rob and robbery.
527
00:25:41,689 --> 00:25:43,449
He was given a four year sentence.
528
00:25:43,450 --> 00:25:44,718
He had previous
529
00:25:44,724 --> 00:25:48,344
convictions for serious
violence and took drugs.
530
00:25:49,517 --> 00:25:50,447
He was a person with
531
00:25:50,449 --> 00:25:52,099
a capacity for explosive rage
532
00:25:52,103 --> 00:25:53,413
and extreme violence.
533
00:25:54,620 --> 00:25:56,340
At a local pub, on the night of the killing,
534
00:25:56,344 --> 00:25:58,104
Mr. Morris had been heard criticizing
535
00:25:58,105 --> 00:25:58,973
Mandy Power.
536
00:26:00,206 --> 00:26:01,343
That was the calm before the storm,
537
00:26:01,344 --> 00:26:02,524
the prosecution claim.
538
00:26:05,034 --> 00:26:06,723
Patrick Harrington told the call that
539
00:26:06,724 --> 00:26:09,102
the defendant killed each of them because
540
00:26:09,103 --> 00:26:11,903
Mandy Power had rejected his sexual advances.
541
00:26:14,896 --> 00:26:16,096
When crimes of this sort
542
00:26:16,103 --> 00:26:17,033
are committed,
543
00:26:18,344 --> 00:26:22,861
there is only one living
person who can tell you
544
00:26:22,862 --> 00:26:23,692
what happened.
545
00:26:24,896 --> 00:26:27,026
And he is not going to tell you.
546
00:26:31,034 --> 00:26:32,826
The crime scene video was
547
00:26:32,827 --> 00:26:36,097
a very effective tool for the prosecution
548
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:41,067
and it showed the jury from the start,
549
00:26:41,068 --> 00:26:42,998
the horror of the scene that they were gonna
550
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,380
have to confront in the following weeks.
551
00:26:48,344 --> 00:26:49,585
He had
552
00:26:49,586 --> 00:26:52,236
an argument with Mandy
Power when she repelled
553
00:26:52,241 --> 00:26:54,241
his sexual advances.
554
00:26:56,206 --> 00:26:59,476
She made it clear that
she wanted nothing to do
555
00:26:59,482 --> 00:27:00,382
with men.
556
00:27:02,482 --> 00:27:06,242
The greatest violence
was shown to all victims.
557
00:27:09,103 --> 00:27:11,143
It was an orgy of savagery.
558
00:27:14,275 --> 00:27:17,275
It would not take long for a powerful man
559
00:27:18,620 --> 00:27:22,720
to quell an invalid, two
children, and one woman.
560
00:27:26,482 --> 00:27:27,722
Prosecutor,
561
00:27:27,724 --> 00:27:29,654
Patrick Harrington QC warned the jury that
562
00:27:29,655 --> 00:27:32,135
the police video contained
scenes that were bound
563
00:27:32,137 --> 00:27:33,997
to be distressing.
564
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,270
Harrowing images of the battered bodies of
565
00:27:36,275 --> 00:27:38,585
Mandy Power and her two little girls.
566
00:27:38,586 --> 00:27:40,376
Showing their terrible injuries in
567
00:27:40,379 --> 00:27:42,239
graphic detail.
568
00:27:42,241 --> 00:27:43,651
Halfway through the screening,
569
00:27:43,655 --> 00:27:46,065
a young male juror collapsed and he was taken
570
00:27:46,068 --> 00:27:48,758
to Swansea Singleton Hospital by ambulance.
571
00:27:50,724 --> 00:27:51,831
I do remember putting
572
00:27:51,832 --> 00:27:53,516
my head between my knees because
573
00:27:53,517 --> 00:27:54,517
I almost passed out.
574
00:27:56,655 --> 00:27:59,205
The video was taken after
575
00:27:59,206 --> 00:28:01,786
the fire officers had brought the bodies
576
00:28:06,931 --> 00:28:07,931
out of the house.
577
00:28:12,931 --> 00:28:14,341
It's not like
578
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,447
when you watch a murder mystery on the TV,
579
00:28:19,448 --> 00:28:20,828
you know that the people in
580
00:28:20,829 --> 00:28:24,137
the video are not dead, they're alive,
581
00:28:26,965 --> 00:28:28,235
but these are real people.
582
00:28:34,379 --> 00:28:36,029
It was intense.
583
00:28:38,931 --> 00:28:40,378
Obviously the court had to see
584
00:28:40,379 --> 00:28:42,058
this video and the jurors
had to see this video.
585
00:28:42,758 --> 00:28:43,588
-Did they?
586
00:28:45,482 --> 00:28:47,172
They didn't need to see the video.
587
00:28:48,620 --> 00:28:51,000
Because it was so prejudicial.
588
00:28:52,137 --> 00:28:54,787
It didn't matter who was the defendant,
589
00:28:54,793 --> 00:28:56,213
these images,
590
00:28:59,448 --> 00:29:00,928
they didn't need to see them.
591
00:29:03,482 --> 00:29:07,205
Mr. Patrick Harrington's opening was
592
00:29:07,206 --> 00:29:10,686
far more about theatricals and drama
593
00:29:11,724 --> 00:29:13,074
rather than substance.
594
00:29:15,620 --> 00:29:17,410
That appeared to be his style.
595
00:29:20,103 --> 00:29:22,826
But the defense case was based on
596
00:29:22,827 --> 00:29:25,337
the forensics at the scene.
597
00:29:29,931 --> 00:29:33,930
And the one important
thing to establish here was
598
00:29:33,931 --> 00:29:35,411
the sequence of deaths.
599
00:29:41,379 --> 00:29:42,589
The fiberglass pole that
600
00:29:42,590 --> 00:29:44,786
we found on the landing was in fact,
601
00:29:44,793 --> 00:29:47,523
the weapon that killed all four of them.
602
00:29:48,931 --> 00:29:51,481
And we found blood on the pole that matched
603
00:29:51,482 --> 00:29:54,212
that of Katie, Emily, and Mandy.
604
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,516
But because there was no detectable level
605
00:29:59,517 --> 00:30:01,027
of blood standing from Doris,
606
00:30:02,344 --> 00:30:05,205
the most logical
explanation is that Doris was
607
00:30:05,206 --> 00:30:06,756
the first to die.
608
00:30:09,793 --> 00:30:12,381
Any blood from Doris
could have been wiped off by
609
00:30:12,382 --> 00:30:13,209
the offender.
610
00:30:17,724 --> 00:30:19,309
And then after that,
611
00:30:19,310 --> 00:30:21,960
the person could have
waited in the house until
612
00:30:21,965 --> 00:30:23,235
the family came home.
613
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,550
This puts the killer in
614
00:30:29,551 --> 00:30:31,281
Doris's bedroom first,
615
00:30:32,482 --> 00:30:34,830
not downstairs having an
argument with Mandy over
616
00:30:34,831 --> 00:30:35,997
a sexual encounter.
617
00:30:38,379 --> 00:30:41,549
It's Mandy he would've killed or attacked
618
00:30:41,551 --> 00:30:43,241
if he was being refused sex.
619
00:30:45,103 --> 00:30:47,723
It just doesn't fit with David Morris being
620
00:30:47,724 --> 00:30:49,794
the killer.
621
00:30:53,517 --> 00:30:55,237
To be a good defense lawyer,
622
00:30:55,241 --> 00:30:58,688
you've got to put enough doubt before a jury.
623
00:30:58,689 --> 00:31:00,549
And the defense case was that
624
00:31:00,551 --> 00:31:02,271
the murders were probably committed
625
00:31:02,275 --> 00:31:03,995
by Alison Lewis.
626
00:31:08,655 --> 00:31:10,685
A vibrator was found inside
627
00:31:10,689 --> 00:31:13,826
Mandy when her body was recovered.
628
00:31:13,827 --> 00:31:16,167
We took some DNA swabs from
629
00:31:16,172 --> 00:31:19,895
the smeary staining on
the vibrator and also from
630
00:31:19,896 --> 00:31:23,166
the inner inner thigh of Mandy.
631
00:31:23,172 --> 00:31:27,412
And the DNA was a mixture of material from
632
00:31:27,413 --> 00:31:30,999
Mandy and also some which could be from
633
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,930
Alison Lewis.
634
00:31:36,482 --> 00:31:38,412
Alison Lewis's DNA was found on
635
00:31:38,413 --> 00:31:40,173
the inside of Mandy's thighs.
636
00:31:41,896 --> 00:31:43,166
There's no timeframe.
637
00:31:43,172 --> 00:31:45,002
We don't know when that DNA was left.
638
00:31:46,586 --> 00:31:49,516
But David Morris's DNA is not on her thighs.
639
00:31:51,482 --> 00:31:55,447
There is stronger evidence
against somebody else
640
00:31:55,448 --> 00:31:57,448
than you have against David Morris.
641
00:32:00,137 --> 00:32:02,897
Members of the jury, there's your doubt.
642
00:32:13,896 --> 00:32:14,826
Alison Lewis is
643
00:32:14,828 --> 00:32:16,308
a key prosecution witness.
644
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:18,519
And for three hours today, she stood before
645
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,717
a packed courtroom and told the jury about
646
00:32:20,724 --> 00:32:23,412
her background and her lesbian lifestyle.
647
00:32:23,413 --> 00:32:25,412
The mother of twin girls had battled with
648
00:32:25,413 --> 00:32:28,412
her sexuality until she
took up women's rugby.
649
00:32:28,413 --> 00:32:30,073
She realized then she was gay,
650
00:32:30,074 --> 00:32:31,958
but always hid her secret from her
651
00:32:31,965 --> 00:32:33,305
Police Sergeant husband.
652
00:32:33,310 --> 00:32:36,205
The defense strategy was always that
653
00:32:36,206 --> 00:32:38,716
Dai Morris didn't commit the murders.
654
00:32:38,724 --> 00:32:41,102
That the finger of suspicion was pointed
655
00:32:41,103 --> 00:32:43,833
firmly at Alison Lewis.
656
00:32:44,724 --> 00:32:46,516
And to that end, they brought
657
00:32:46,517 --> 00:32:48,787
a number of defense witnesses.
658
00:32:48,793 --> 00:32:52,523
One of whom was a martial arts expert.
659
00:33:00,758 --> 00:33:02,208
And he got the fiberglass pole
660
00:33:02,209 --> 00:33:05,896
that had been used with
such devastating force
661
00:33:07,931 --> 00:33:11,411
and said it could be
used in a martial arts way.
662
00:33:13,793 --> 00:33:16,481
And the significance of that is that
663
00:33:16,482 --> 00:33:21,072
Alison Lewis was a second Dan in karate.
664
00:33:27,448 --> 00:33:29,408
Under cross examination by the defense,
665
00:33:29,413 --> 00:33:31,383
Alison Lewis admitted that shortly after
666
00:33:31,384 --> 00:33:32,649
the murders,
667
00:33:32,655 --> 00:33:34,685
she'd begun an affair with an old girlfriend
668
00:33:34,689 --> 00:33:36,449
and was questioned in detail about her
669
00:33:36,450 --> 00:33:38,378
martial arts expertise.
670
00:33:38,379 --> 00:33:41,029
She said she was a
Black Belt British Champion
671
00:33:41,034 --> 00:33:43,274
and was trained to use a karate bow,
672
00:33:43,275 --> 00:33:44,855
a long wooden pole.
673
00:33:44,862 --> 00:33:46,899
She was shown the murder weapon and said
674
00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:48,406
the pole she used was lighter.
675
00:33:48,413 --> 00:33:51,313
It was all smoke and mirrors.
676
00:33:56,034 --> 00:33:57,594
Let's say this about who.
677
00:33:58,758 --> 00:34:01,648
How can we twist the evidence to make
678
00:34:01,655 --> 00:34:02,545
it look like her?
679
00:34:03,758 --> 00:34:05,338
And I was just in awe of it all.
680
00:34:06,241 --> 00:34:07,411
Disgusted, really.
681
00:34:08,931 --> 00:34:10,101
The lesbian lover of
682
00:34:10,103 --> 00:34:11,963
murdered mother, Mandy Power has been
683
00:34:11,965 --> 00:34:13,515
telling Swansea Crown Court of
684
00:34:13,517 --> 00:34:15,337
their passionate affair.
685
00:34:15,344 --> 00:34:16,723
Former Policewoman Alison Lewis.
686
00:34:16,724 --> 00:34:17,655
And I think I was in
687
00:34:17,656 --> 00:34:18,895
the witness box for four days.
688
00:34:18,896 --> 00:34:19,586
The jury of her love for
689
00:34:19,587 --> 00:34:20,857
the divorcee.
690
00:34:20,862 --> 00:34:22,550
They brought everything up.
691
00:34:22,551 --> 00:34:24,521
Every personal relationship,
692
00:34:26,068 --> 00:34:28,168
sexual things.
693
00:34:28,172 --> 00:34:31,619
It was completely, I was on trial,
694
00:34:31,620 --> 00:34:33,516
not David Morris.
695
00:34:33,517 --> 00:34:36,097
Everything I said, everything I did,
696
00:34:36,103 --> 00:34:37,483
how I behaved.
697
00:34:38,655 --> 00:34:39,955
The jury heard how she tried
698
00:34:39,965 --> 00:34:41,545
to commit suicide because she was so
699
00:34:41,551 --> 00:34:43,031
grief stricken.
700
00:34:43,034 --> 00:34:45,930
She was then admitted
to a psychiatric hospital.
701
00:34:45,931 --> 00:34:47,101
A year later, she was.
702
00:34:47,103 --> 00:34:48,903
My relationship with Mandy.
703
00:34:49,931 --> 00:34:51,171
It tore me to shreds.
704
00:34:54,068 --> 00:34:56,478
Everything that me and
Mandy felt for each other
705
00:34:58,344 --> 00:35:00,454
was used, now, against me.
706
00:35:19,206 --> 00:35:21,516
The film "Armageddon" was
707
00:35:21,517 --> 00:35:24,067
a film that Mandy Power
and Alison Lewis loved
708
00:35:24,068 --> 00:35:25,648
to watch together.
709
00:35:25,655 --> 00:35:28,685
But the theme song, which
is a song by Aerosmith,
710
00:35:28,689 --> 00:35:30,378
"I Don't Want to Miss a Thing,"
711
00:35:30,379 --> 00:35:31,719
had become their song.
712
00:35:35,655 --> 00:35:37,925
There was evidence at
the scene that there were
713
00:35:37,931 --> 00:35:40,521
a number of videos
downstairs in the living room.
714
00:35:41,965 --> 00:35:44,615
And there was clear evidence that
715
00:35:44,620 --> 00:35:46,030
the killer was handling them.
716
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,240
But the only video that was missing was
717
00:35:52,241 --> 00:35:53,721
this "Armageddon" video.
718
00:35:55,517 --> 00:35:59,136
And the person who gave us that evidence was
719
00:35:59,137 --> 00:36:03,517
a young 16 year old by
the name of Louise Pugh.
720
00:36:05,517 --> 00:36:09,267
Louise Pugh borrowed the "Armageddon" video.
721
00:36:09,275 --> 00:36:12,615
But she had posted it back that night.
722
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,450
Why has the "Armageddon" video
723
00:36:16,451 --> 00:36:18,758
got to be back at Mandy's house?
724
00:36:20,103 --> 00:36:21,623
She said "Me and Alison want to
725
00:36:21,624 --> 00:36:24,590
watch it if she comes down tonight."
726
00:36:26,034 --> 00:36:28,171
Tell me about that night then.
727
00:36:28,172 --> 00:36:29,930
I went in my house.
728
00:36:29,931 --> 00:36:32,341
I got my jacket and the video.
729
00:36:33,620 --> 00:36:36,620
Closed the door and I went round to Mandy's.
730
00:36:46,517 --> 00:36:48,027
I wrote a note.
731
00:36:49,448 --> 00:36:52,168
And I put the note in
the sleeve of the video.
732
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,170
Walked down around to Mandy's through front.
733
00:37:03,172 --> 00:37:04,212
The door was locked.
734
00:37:05,068 --> 00:37:07,648
So I knocked it, but obviously,
735
00:37:07,655 --> 00:37:08,895
I knew nobody was there,
736
00:37:08,896 --> 00:37:10,716
I just thought Doris would've shouted.
737
00:37:14,034 --> 00:37:15,664
So I posted the video through.
738
00:37:40,758 --> 00:37:42,308
A little while afterwards,
739
00:37:43,413 --> 00:37:45,343
another police officer came to see me.
740
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,690
He asked me again about
the "Armageddon" video.
741
00:37:56,206 --> 00:37:57,996
If the cassette was in the box.
742
00:37:59,724 --> 00:38:02,314
I knew it was because I checked.
743
00:38:05,206 --> 00:38:07,586
And he told me that
744
00:38:09,965 --> 00:38:11,275
the actual cassette
745
00:38:12,413 --> 00:38:15,453
from inside the video box was found
746
00:38:20,103 --> 00:38:21,103
in Alison's home.
747
00:38:36,241 --> 00:38:38,240
So why would that be there?
748
00:38:38,241 --> 00:38:41,031
If I had posted it through the Saturday?
749
00:38:41,034 --> 00:38:42,004
How did she get it?
750
00:38:48,689 --> 00:38:51,169
Why has it taken 'til today
751
00:38:51,172 --> 00:38:53,412
to tell us about the note and video going
752
00:38:53,413 --> 00:38:55,723
to Mandy's house on Saturday night?
753
00:38:55,724 --> 00:38:57,688
I wanted to retrace my steps
754
00:38:57,689 --> 00:38:59,789
and make sure I was saying the truth.
755
00:39:01,655 --> 00:39:04,825
And not just lying.
756
00:39:04,827 --> 00:39:06,237
Have you lied at all to me
757
00:39:06,241 --> 00:39:08,688
or anybody else in the inquiry?
758
00:39:08,689 --> 00:39:10,719
No.
759
00:39:10,724 --> 00:39:13,205
What you told me this morning.
760
00:39:13,206 --> 00:39:15,376
Louise Pugh was important in
761
00:39:15,379 --> 00:39:17,449
so far as the evidence
that she gave surrounding
762
00:39:17,450 --> 00:39:18,998
this "Armageddon" video.
763
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,960
Because she was adamant that she'd returned
764
00:39:20,965 --> 00:39:22,615
it to Mandy that night.
765
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,690
Could all this have happened on
766
00:39:25,691 --> 00:39:27,549
another Saturday?
767
00:39:27,551 --> 00:39:28,481
No.
768
00:39:29,862 --> 00:39:31,862
I'm not changing what I said for no-one.
769
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,757
-We called her as a
defense witness and she went
770
00:39:36,758 --> 00:39:37,658
into the box.
771
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,480
And then Mr. Patrick
Harrington cross examined
772
00:39:41,482 --> 00:39:42,312
her.
773
00:39:46,827 --> 00:39:51,136
-She gave evidence about
the presence or absence
774
00:39:51,137 --> 00:39:53,717
of the film "Armageddon,"
775
00:39:53,724 --> 00:39:56,999
but the evidence she
gave was not supported by
776
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,516
any other source.
777
00:39:58,517 --> 00:40:00,547
And she was reluctant to acknowledge that
778
00:40:00,551 --> 00:40:03,721
she might have been
wrong, which she plainly was.
779
00:40:05,448 --> 00:40:09,208
-I knew that I posted it on the 26th.
780
00:40:11,137 --> 00:40:12,617
I was not gonna back down.
781
00:40:14,206 --> 00:40:16,276
I was done with them walking all over me.
782
00:40:19,620 --> 00:40:20,590
Louise, at the time was
783
00:40:20,591 --> 00:40:23,477
a very vulnerable young girl.
784
00:40:23,482 --> 00:40:25,999
And Patrick Harrington was pushing her on
785
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,826
inconsistencies in her evidence.
786
00:40:28,827 --> 00:40:32,617
And it was at that point that she lost it.
787
00:40:32,620 --> 00:40:36,860
And she swore at Pat
Harrington and stormed outta
788
00:40:36,862 --> 00:40:41,067
the witness box in front of the jury.
789
00:40:41,068 --> 00:40:45,098
And it destroyed for the defense,
790
00:40:45,103 --> 00:40:46,103
that witness.
791
00:40:48,103 --> 00:40:49,000
A witness in
792
00:40:49,001 --> 00:40:50,271
the Clydach murder trial
793
00:40:50,275 --> 00:40:52,545
has stormed out of court
and swore at barristers
794
00:40:52,551 --> 00:40:54,760
as the prosecution
challenged her evidence saying
795
00:40:54,761 --> 00:40:56,788
it didn't match her
statements to police after
796
00:40:56,793 --> 00:40:57,593
the killings.
797
00:40:58,689 --> 00:41:00,649
The prosecution claimed that 19 year old
798
00:41:00,655 --> 00:41:02,475
Louise Pugh mixed up dates.
799
00:41:02,482 --> 00:41:04,522
When giving an account of the day before
800
00:41:04,523 --> 00:41:05,337
the murders.
801
00:41:11,413 --> 00:41:13,963
When the jury retired,
802
00:41:13,965 --> 00:41:16,855
I don't think anybody knew exactly which way
803
00:41:16,862 --> 00:41:18,972
things were gonna go.
804
00:41:20,689 --> 00:41:23,929
We waited for days
outside and it was really hot.
805
00:41:25,896 --> 00:41:29,996
I remember it was 3:38 on a Friday afternoon.
806
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,720
And we were called in.
807
00:41:36,551 --> 00:41:38,378
I remember Mr. Hutchison going
808
00:41:38,379 --> 00:41:39,339
to hold my hand.
809
00:41:40,724 --> 00:41:43,516
And I saw the jury walk back in,
810
00:41:43,517 --> 00:41:44,826
they were to my left.
811
00:41:44,827 --> 00:41:47,205
And the ladies were in tears.
812
00:41:47,206 --> 00:41:49,826
They were crying and they sat down.
813
00:41:49,827 --> 00:41:51,407
-And the foreman looked directly at
814
00:41:51,413 --> 00:41:52,688
David Morris.
815
00:41:52,689 --> 00:41:53,964
And I thought, Oh, well maybe it's not
816
00:41:53,965 --> 00:41:58,265
guilty verdict because juries don't tend to
817
00:41:58,275 --> 00:41:59,645
look people in the face if
818
00:41:59,655 --> 00:42:01,205
they're gonna convict them.
819
00:42:01,206 --> 00:42:03,026
-And I remember in that split second,
820
00:42:03,034 --> 00:42:04,694
we were all thinking the same thing.
821
00:42:04,695 --> 00:42:07,929
We've got this, it's in the bag.
822
00:42:07,931 --> 00:42:09,411
The right decision is gonna be made.
823
00:42:09,413 --> 00:42:11,283
They're going to find him not guilty.
824
00:42:25,931 --> 00:42:26,791
When the guilty verdict
825
00:42:26,794 --> 00:42:28,174
came through it was um,
826
00:42:30,655 --> 00:42:32,205
It was just,
827
00:42:32,206 --> 00:42:33,996
I honestly can't describe it.
828
00:42:35,137 --> 00:42:36,407
And I just wanted to sit by him.
829
00:42:36,413 --> 00:42:38,451
I just wanted to go and sit next to him.
830
00:42:38,452 --> 00:42:39,648
'Cause he was just there.
831
00:42:39,655 --> 00:42:41,135
And I thought he was being accused of
832
00:42:41,137 --> 00:42:42,957
this horrific murder
833
00:42:42,965 --> 00:42:44,995
and he's just there on his own.
834
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,720
I just wanted to go and sit by him.
835
00:42:50,448 --> 00:42:51,718
That was a,
836
00:42:51,724 --> 00:42:52,964
'cause we've always
been there for each other,
837
00:42:52,965 --> 00:42:54,205
you know?
838
00:42:54,206 --> 00:42:55,240
And he's always been there for me.
839
00:42:55,241 --> 00:42:56,831
And I just wanted to sit by him.
840
00:43:05,931 --> 00:43:07,271
-When the verdicts were delivered.
841
00:43:07,275 --> 00:43:09,375
I sat in court with the family.
842
00:43:11,172 --> 00:43:13,342
And the foreman stood up and pronounced
843
00:43:13,344 --> 00:43:14,174
the verdicts.
844
00:43:14,175 --> 00:43:16,688
It was rather strange.
845
00:43:16,689 --> 00:43:19,999
I felt I'd be wanting to punch the sky.
846
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:20,860
Yes!
847
00:43:20,863 --> 00:43:21,932
You know, fantastic.
848
00:43:21,933 --> 00:43:23,171
It wasn't that at all.
849
00:43:23,172 --> 00:43:26,895
It was to me quite a sublime moment.
850
00:43:26,896 --> 00:43:30,966
And it was something
that I just look back and um
851
00:43:34,620 --> 00:43:36,310
I thought of Katie.
852
00:43:43,103 --> 00:43:44,343
I'll do that a bit again.
853
00:43:57,310 --> 00:43:59,309
I had two daughters who were
854
00:43:59,310 --> 00:44:00,930
younger than Katie and Emily.
855
00:44:04,965 --> 00:44:06,965
And I can see my children grow up
856
00:44:08,827 --> 00:44:11,617
and love them and enjoy them.
857
00:44:11,620 --> 00:44:14,660
And you know, that's been denied
858
00:44:16,034 --> 00:44:18,004
to Mandy's family.
859
00:44:22,206 --> 00:44:23,516
It has been three long
860
00:44:23,517 --> 00:44:25,857
and difficult years since Mom,
861
00:44:25,862 --> 00:44:27,382
Mandy, Katie, and Emily were
862
00:44:27,383 --> 00:44:29,649
so clearly taken from us.
863
00:44:29,655 --> 00:44:31,025
And today we know
864
00:44:31,034 --> 00:44:32,934
that evil person
responsible for this will spend
865
00:44:32,935 --> 00:44:35,378
the rest of his life behind bars.
866
00:44:35,379 --> 00:44:36,649
But this will never be enough for
867
00:44:36,655 --> 00:44:38,515
the sense of pain and loss that we feel
868
00:44:38,517 --> 00:44:39,717
every day,
869
00:44:39,724 --> 00:44:41,214
nor for the sheer hell and fear all our
870
00:44:41,215 --> 00:44:42,786
family went through that night.
871
00:44:43,965 --> 00:44:45,755
Was it the right verdict?
872
00:44:50,724 --> 00:44:55,033
-I think the only person who knows whether
873
00:44:55,034 --> 00:44:57,516
they committed those murders or not
874
00:44:57,517 --> 00:44:58,757
is David Morris.
875
00:44:58,758 --> 00:45:03,308
No one knows 100%, what went on in that house
876
00:45:03,310 --> 00:45:05,650
and who was responsible.
877
00:45:05,655 --> 00:45:08,995
What I can say is that everybody on
878
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,000
the press bench that sat through
879
00:45:12,137 --> 00:45:15,927
that trial felt that the right verdict,
880
00:45:15,931 --> 00:45:17,211
on the basis of the evidence
881
00:45:17,212 --> 00:45:18,966
that was presented in the court
882
00:45:20,620 --> 00:45:22,070
was the right verdict.
883
00:45:23,413 --> 00:45:25,895
This has been an extraordinary trial where
884
00:45:25,896 --> 00:45:28,476
the defense claimed Alison Lewis had killed
885
00:45:28,482 --> 00:45:30,382
those she loved.
886
00:45:33,103 --> 00:45:35,619
-I am pleased with the verdict today.
887
00:45:35,620 --> 00:45:38,378
Justice has finally been achieved.
888
00:45:38,379 --> 00:45:40,549
While standing trial for murder,
889
00:45:40,551 --> 00:45:42,999
the judicial system afforded David Morris,
890
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,480
the luxury of being
innocent until proven guilty.
891
00:45:49,103 --> 00:45:50,073
What was it like when you heard
892
00:45:50,074 --> 00:45:50,998
the guilty verdict?
893
00:45:52,758 --> 00:45:54,968
What emotions did you feel?
894
00:45:57,310 --> 00:45:59,270
Angry, I think.
895
00:45:59,275 --> 00:46:02,405
Angry that he had done this to people I love.
896
00:46:04,034 --> 00:46:06,414
Angry that he'd been allowed to get away with
897
00:46:06,415 --> 00:46:07,593
it for so long.
898
00:46:09,862 --> 00:46:10,862
And relief.
899
00:46:12,517 --> 00:46:14,757
I have felt the loss of Mandy,
900
00:46:14,758 --> 00:46:18,238
Katie, and Emily, Doris more than anyone
901
00:46:18,241 --> 00:46:19,516
will ever know.
902
00:46:19,517 --> 00:46:21,927
However, I have never lost sight of
903
00:46:21,931 --> 00:46:24,101
the pain Mandy's family must have
904
00:46:24,103 --> 00:46:26,585
and still are suffering.
905
00:46:26,586 --> 00:46:29,136
And I wish them the strength to move forward
906
00:46:29,137 --> 00:46:31,516
in an attempt to rebuild their lives.
907
00:46:31,517 --> 00:46:34,826
As my family and myself now have to work at
908
00:46:34,827 --> 00:46:35,927
rebuilding ours.
909
00:46:38,896 --> 00:46:39,723
So you must have thought that
910
00:46:39,724 --> 00:46:40,554
that was it.
911
00:46:42,172 --> 00:46:43,652
-Yeah, to a degree.
912
00:46:43,655 --> 00:46:47,235
I thought things are gonna be more positive.
913
00:46:47,241 --> 00:46:48,661
He's being convicted.
914
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,970
I thought I could start to rebuild,
915
00:46:54,413 --> 00:46:56,313
get on with my life.
916
00:46:57,931 --> 00:46:59,341
That things would get better.
917
00:46:59,344 --> 00:47:00,484
That's what I thought.
918
00:47:02,793 --> 00:47:04,140
But little did I know,
919
00:47:04,141 --> 00:47:05,547
it was gonna be short lived.
920
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,208
Today it was claimed that
921
00:47:19,209 --> 00:47:21,476
Swansea Solicitor, David
Hutchison should never
922
00:47:21,482 --> 00:47:23,072
have represented Morris.
923
00:47:23,073 --> 00:47:25,268
Because he also represented this man,
924
00:47:25,275 --> 00:47:28,205
Sergeant Steven Lewis,
a serving police officer.
925
00:47:28,206 --> 00:47:29,996
-Mr.
-David Hutchison had
926
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,757
represented both Steven
and Stewart Lewis when
927
00:47:32,758 --> 00:47:34,028
the police were investigating
928
00:47:34,034 --> 00:47:36,314
them in connection with the Clydach murders.
929
00:47:36,315 --> 00:47:37,550
He had agreed with
930
00:47:37,551 --> 00:47:39,721
David Hutchison that
he wouldn't be blamed for
931
00:47:39,724 --> 00:47:41,619
the murders at Morris's trial.
932
00:47:41,620 --> 00:47:44,270
I wasn't aware that there was
933
00:47:44,275 --> 00:47:47,065
some form of agreement that had taken place.
934
00:47:48,482 --> 00:47:52,585
That whilst Mr. Hutchison
was going to represent
935
00:47:52,586 --> 00:47:56,896
David Morris, that he wouldn't accuse
936
00:47:58,896 --> 00:48:00,856
Steven or Stewart Lewis of the murders.
937
00:48:04,103 --> 00:48:05,552
Was the full case against
938
00:48:05,553 --> 00:48:07,621
Steven and Stuart Lewis made to the jury?
939
00:48:08,862 --> 00:48:09,692
-No.
940
00:48:10,965 --> 00:48:12,445
It was all about Alison Lewis.
941
00:48:14,137 --> 00:48:16,027
We stayed clear of the Lewis brothers.
942
00:48:16,028 --> 00:48:18,028
- - - o O o - - -
943
00:48:18,029 --> 00:48:20,029
---oOo---
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