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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:27,448 --> 00:00:28,447 Eight blows in the back of 2 00:00:28,448 --> 00:00:29,278 the head. 3 00:00:31,931 --> 00:00:34,281 And one in the front, which fractured the skull. 4 00:00:37,827 --> 00:00:39,277 What kind of person does that? 5 00:00:45,034 --> 00:00:48,240 It's a bit thinner than a scaffold bar, 6 00:00:48,241 --> 00:00:49,341 about two foot long. 7 00:00:50,586 --> 00:00:53,136 He's obviously coming here, come by there. 8 00:00:53,137 --> 00:00:55,857 I was kneeling down, tuning a TV in. 9 00:00:55,862 --> 00:00:58,001 He started hitting me across the head for no 10 00:00:58,002 --> 00:00:58,860 reason at all. 11 00:00:59,793 --> 00:01:01,067 And I was just blacking out. 12 00:01:01,068 --> 00:01:02,102 And when I managed to turn around, 13 00:01:02,103 --> 00:01:03,313 I remember it in the front, 14 00:01:03,314 --> 00:01:05,826 I remember blood running down my face. 15 00:01:05,827 --> 00:01:08,207 I've jumped out the window onto the bottom lawn, 16 00:01:09,068 --> 00:01:10,548 and, obviously, made me escape 17 00:01:10,551 --> 00:01:12,381 through the gate and down the road. 18 00:01:17,034 --> 00:01:18,384 If I would've stayed in that flat, 19 00:01:18,385 --> 00:01:20,589 I would be a dead man. 20 00:01:22,241 --> 00:01:25,071 He was intending to kill me. 21 00:01:25,932 --> 00:01:27,482 100%. 22 00:01:29,413 --> 00:01:31,481 Why was he trying to kill you? 23 00:01:31,482 --> 00:01:33,140 -That's exactly what David Morris does. 24 00:01:33,141 --> 00:01:35,337 He picks up tools and hits people with them. 25 00:01:36,448 --> 00:01:37,792 That's why that family tragically lost 26 00:01:37,793 --> 00:01:39,863 their lives. 27 00:01:46,517 --> 00:01:47,787 This was, and still is, 28 00:01:47,793 --> 00:01:48,903 the biggest murder inquiry ever seen in 29 00:01:48,904 --> 00:01:50,166 South Wales. 30 00:01:51,344 --> 00:01:53,654 After months of awful frustrating work, 31 00:01:53,655 --> 00:01:56,375 police have now arrested the 38 year old man 32 00:01:56,379 --> 00:01:57,759 on suspicion of murder. 33 00:02:23,724 --> 00:02:25,174 For four days and they released 34 00:02:25,175 --> 00:02:26,382 the bastard. 35 00:02:29,206 --> 00:02:32,996 You fucking bastard! 36 00:02:59,551 --> 00:03:01,070 Police have already searched 37 00:03:01,071 --> 00:03:03,408 woodland near the village of Craig Cefn Parc 38 00:03:03,413 --> 00:03:05,102 in the flat where David Morris was 39 00:03:05,103 --> 00:03:06,553 arrested on Tuesday. 40 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,619 Today, a second house in Swansea was also 41 00:03:12,620 --> 00:03:14,378 targeted and a number of items 42 00:03:14,379 --> 00:03:16,029 removed from inside. 43 00:03:18,551 --> 00:03:20,271 Swansea magistrates also granted detectives 44 00:03:20,275 --> 00:03:23,165 a 28 hour extension to continue questioning 45 00:03:23,172 --> 00:03:24,688 David Morris. 46 00:03:24,689 --> 00:03:26,447 The latest deadline runs out in 47 00:03:26,448 --> 00:03:28,338 4 and a half hours. 48 00:03:31,241 --> 00:03:32,481 This interview is being 49 00:03:32,482 --> 00:03:33,722 tape recorded and video recorded. 50 00:03:33,724 --> 00:03:34,694 And the light is illuminated. 51 00:03:34,695 --> 00:03:36,240 And the room is being monitored. 52 00:03:36,241 --> 00:03:38,721 I am Detective Sergeant 430, Phil Reese. 53 00:03:38,724 --> 00:03:40,033 Also present is. 54 00:03:40,034 --> 00:03:40,904 Uh David Hutchison, 55 00:03:40,905 --> 00:03:41,716 Solicitor. 56 00:03:42,896 --> 00:03:44,096 I'll just say to you again. 57 00:03:44,103 --> 00:03:45,033 And David, you don't have to say anything, 58 00:03:45,034 --> 00:03:45,974 but it may harm your defense if 59 00:03:45,975 --> 00:03:47,166 you do not mention. 60 00:03:47,172 --> 00:03:48,212 -Mr. -David Hutchison was 61 00:03:48,213 --> 00:03:50,716 the defense lawyer. 62 00:03:50,724 --> 00:03:51,524 Do you understand that? 63 00:03:51,525 --> 00:03:54,447 Yes. 64 00:03:54,448 --> 00:03:56,067 He was the senior solicitor, 65 00:03:56,068 --> 00:03:57,068 my boss. 66 00:04:01,206 --> 00:04:02,716 I was a trainee solicitor. 67 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,340 And it was the first thing that 68 00:04:07,344 --> 00:04:08,723 I was involved in. 69 00:04:08,724 --> 00:04:11,104 So it was massive, particularly for a trainee. 70 00:04:12,482 --> 00:04:13,312 -Mr. -Hutchison is here to 71 00:04:13,313 --> 00:04:14,550 represent you, 72 00:04:14,551 --> 00:04:15,792 you're entitled to free and independent legal. 73 00:04:15,793 --> 00:04:16,591 The one question that people 74 00:04:16,592 --> 00:04:17,516 have always asked me is, 75 00:04:17,518 --> 00:04:18,758 "Who do you think did it?" 76 00:04:20,413 --> 00:04:22,102 And what do you say? 77 00:04:22,103 --> 00:04:23,763 -I tell them who I think did it. 78 00:04:28,758 --> 00:04:32,928 I spent every working day with him. 79 00:04:34,310 --> 00:04:36,205 I never once thought that this guy 80 00:04:36,206 --> 00:04:38,096 was lying to me, 81 00:04:38,103 --> 00:04:41,723 or was capable of those murders. 82 00:04:43,931 --> 00:04:46,585 But David Morris was not liked by 83 00:04:46,586 --> 00:04:47,996 South Wales Police. 84 00:04:50,827 --> 00:04:54,205 There had been a previous case involving 85 00:04:54,206 --> 00:04:55,166 a Mr. Wassell. 86 00:04:56,344 --> 00:04:59,723 He was actually found "not guilty" by a jury. 87 00:04:59,724 --> 00:05:02,861 And the police felt that David Morris had 88 00:05:02,862 --> 00:05:04,282 got away with it. 89 00:05:09,827 --> 00:05:11,067 David Morris had 90 00:05:11,068 --> 00:05:12,518 18 months to prepare for this interview. 91 00:05:16,034 --> 00:05:17,834 And as the evidence came forward, 92 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,970 he lied, and lied, and lied again. 93 00:05:24,034 --> 00:05:25,074 I think I'll move on to 94 00:05:25,075 --> 00:05:27,378 Saturday, the 26th of June. 95 00:05:27,379 --> 00:05:28,619 Okay? 96 00:05:28,620 --> 00:05:30,309 On the camera now, what would you say were 97 00:05:30,310 --> 00:05:31,720 your movements that day? 98 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:33,968 Talk me through it again. 99 00:05:33,969 --> 00:05:34,827 What did you do through the day 100 00:05:34,828 --> 00:05:37,136 and through the evening? 101 00:05:37,137 --> 00:05:38,897 Uh. 102 00:05:47,344 --> 00:05:48,275 He said that 103 00:05:48,276 --> 00:05:49,616 he'd been out that afternoon, 104 00:05:49,620 --> 00:05:51,590 having some drinks, watching the rugby. 105 00:05:56,103 --> 00:05:58,792 And during the course of that afternoon, 106 00:05:58,793 --> 00:06:02,723 he had a round with his partner, Mandy Jewell. 107 00:06:02,724 --> 00:06:04,554 When she went home with her daughter, 108 00:06:05,482 --> 00:06:07,072 he remained in the pub drinking. 109 00:06:10,344 --> 00:06:12,723 Round about half past 11, 110 00:06:12,724 --> 00:06:14,174 Morris then leaves the pub. 111 00:06:17,206 --> 00:06:19,956 And he decided to walk to his parents' house, 112 00:06:19,965 --> 00:06:22,135 some five miles away. 113 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,340 But he decided halfway through the walk, 114 00:06:27,344 --> 00:06:28,794 "I'm not gonna go to my parents' house." 115 00:06:28,795 --> 00:06:30,283 "I'm now gonna return home." 116 00:06:31,965 --> 00:06:34,235 And he said he got home about half past four in 117 00:06:34,241 --> 00:06:35,071 the morning. 118 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,210 Now, Mandy Jewell, 119 00:06:43,413 --> 00:06:45,693 she said, she's woken up by the door opening 120 00:06:51,310 --> 00:06:52,550 and the dogs didn't bark. 121 00:06:52,551 --> 00:06:54,691 So she assumed it was David Morris coming in, 122 00:06:58,689 --> 00:07:00,619 but there's just no time he came home. 123 00:07:00,620 --> 00:07:02,240 So in the end he had no alibi. 124 00:07:02,241 --> 00:07:03,411 -No. 125 00:07:09,206 --> 00:07:11,716 The following morning after the murders, 126 00:07:11,724 --> 00:07:13,964 Janice Williams, who used to live next door 127 00:07:13,965 --> 00:07:16,615 to Morris, came to the police station. 128 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,960 And she said that after Mandy Jewell left 129 00:07:21,965 --> 00:07:22,785 the pub, 130 00:07:24,206 --> 00:07:26,446 she remained in the pub drinking with Morris. 131 00:07:28,034 --> 00:07:29,934 And that he'd been taken amphetamine. 132 00:07:32,413 --> 00:07:33,243 You could tell by 133 00:07:33,244 --> 00:07:34,447 his eyes, 134 00:07:34,448 --> 00:07:35,788 if he's been taking anything. 135 00:07:35,793 --> 00:07:38,309 You can tell straight away. 136 00:07:38,310 --> 00:07:39,140 And what did the look in 137 00:07:39,141 --> 00:07:39,997 his eyes tell you? 138 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,000 -His eyes were wild. 139 00:07:42,862 --> 00:07:43,895 And during 140 00:07:43,896 --> 00:07:44,827 the course of the conversation, 141 00:07:44,828 --> 00:07:46,168 Mandy Power's name came up. 142 00:07:48,103 --> 00:07:50,378 He Said, "She's an evil cow." 143 00:07:50,379 --> 00:07:51,859 "She's horrible." 144 00:07:51,862 --> 00:07:54,962 "She's not capable of looking after her children 145 00:07:54,965 --> 00:07:56,375 or her mother." 146 00:07:56,379 --> 00:07:58,379 And you know, he was slacking her off big time. 147 00:07:59,724 --> 00:08:00,934 And he left. 148 00:08:07,206 --> 00:08:08,406 No, Janice Williams 149 00:08:08,413 --> 00:08:09,933 didn't like David Morris. 150 00:08:11,241 --> 00:08:13,271 And she always had a suspicions that 151 00:08:13,275 --> 00:08:14,715 he was responsible. 152 00:08:14,724 --> 00:08:17,067 But this one thing about having suspicions, 153 00:08:17,068 --> 00:08:18,518 what you need is evidence. 154 00:08:20,275 --> 00:08:24,335 And what we needed was the link from the scene to 155 00:08:24,344 --> 00:08:25,414 David Morris. 156 00:08:34,068 --> 00:08:35,308 I was the first 157 00:08:35,310 --> 00:08:36,790 forensic scientist at Kelvin Road. 158 00:08:40,793 --> 00:08:43,213 It was a very chaotic crime scene. 159 00:08:44,103 --> 00:08:46,516 There was a lot of smoke damage, 160 00:08:46,517 --> 00:08:47,957 heat damage. 161 00:08:47,965 --> 00:08:51,375 There was soot over everything, water damage. 162 00:08:52,586 --> 00:08:53,861 There were occasions where we'd hoped 163 00:08:53,862 --> 00:08:56,452 to get results, which we didn't get results. 164 00:09:02,310 --> 00:09:05,450 The most significant finding was the gold chain. 165 00:09:10,379 --> 00:09:12,719 It was lying in a pool of Mandy's blood 166 00:09:13,793 --> 00:09:15,313 at the foot of Doris' bed, 167 00:09:16,586 --> 00:09:18,236 where she'd been beaten to death. 168 00:09:20,448 --> 00:09:21,718 This is 169 00:09:21,724 --> 00:09:24,378 a photograph taken by a scenes of crime officer 170 00:09:24,379 --> 00:09:26,619 by Doris Dawson's bed on the floor. 171 00:09:26,620 --> 00:09:28,688 If you look at that photograph, 172 00:09:28,689 --> 00:09:30,929 you'll see a gold chain on the floor, 173 00:09:30,931 --> 00:09:31,931 have a look on that. 174 00:09:35,103 --> 00:09:37,723 They had this chain in 175 00:09:37,724 --> 00:09:39,664 the middle of a murder scene. 176 00:09:43,275 --> 00:09:45,305 The police were intent then on proving that 177 00:09:45,310 --> 00:09:47,210 the chain was David Morris's. 178 00:09:49,241 --> 00:09:51,585 It seems to me 179 00:09:51,586 --> 00:09:53,205 that chain, in fact, had been pulled off 180 00:09:53,206 --> 00:09:54,026 and put up. 181 00:09:55,137 --> 00:09:56,957 What sort of struggle was going on? 182 00:09:58,413 --> 00:09:59,693 We were quite keen to see if 183 00:09:59,694 --> 00:10:01,999 we could find any DNA that was from 184 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:03,760 the original owner of the chain. 185 00:10:05,137 --> 00:10:06,897 But because it was so heavily contaminated with 186 00:10:06,898 --> 00:10:09,306 Mandy's blood, we weren't able to get any 187 00:10:09,310 --> 00:10:11,480 stranger profile from it. 188 00:10:13,206 --> 00:10:15,376 But the fact that the clasp was missing was 189 00:10:15,379 --> 00:10:16,309 very significant. 190 00:10:20,206 --> 00:10:21,166 Also, I'm gonna show you 191 00:10:21,173 --> 00:10:24,205 a photograph of you. 192 00:10:24,206 --> 00:10:25,826 Just to prove identity, I'm showing that 193 00:10:25,827 --> 00:10:27,547 photograph now. 194 00:10:27,551 --> 00:10:28,517 Yeah. 195 00:10:28,518 --> 00:10:31,998 Okay. 196 00:10:33,206 --> 00:10:35,476 On that photograph, you can clearly see 197 00:10:35,482 --> 00:10:37,762 you wearing that chain. 198 00:10:46,103 --> 00:10:48,033 We've got a photograph recovered in 199 00:10:48,034 --> 00:10:49,863 Morris' home of him with Mandy Jewell, 200 00:10:49,864 --> 00:10:50,622 wearing a chain. 201 00:10:53,448 --> 00:10:55,338 And you can see in the photograph, 202 00:10:55,344 --> 00:10:56,624 the chain has been broken. 203 00:10:59,137 --> 00:11:01,337 At some stage, a very cheap repair has been 204 00:11:01,344 --> 00:11:02,174 put on it. 205 00:11:07,275 --> 00:11:08,925 -The chain that we've recovered from 206 00:11:08,931 --> 00:11:12,378 9 Kelvin road, David, is that chain yours? 207 00:11:12,379 --> 00:11:13,999 -No, it's not my chain. 208 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,930 No, I swear to God, 209 00:11:15,931 --> 00:11:17,171 it's not my chain. 210 00:11:17,172 --> 00:11:18,851 On my children's lives, that's not my chain, no. 211 00:11:20,103 --> 00:11:21,516 No. 212 00:11:21,517 --> 00:11:22,337 Your chain, 213 00:11:22,344 --> 00:11:23,174 was it ever left at 214 00:11:23,175 --> 00:11:24,412 Mandy Power's house? 215 00:11:24,413 --> 00:11:25,383 -Never, never left at Mandy Power's. 216 00:11:25,384 --> 00:11:26,450 No. 217 00:11:27,965 --> 00:11:28,785 You sure about that? 218 00:11:28,794 --> 00:11:30,033 -I am positive. 219 00:11:30,034 --> 00:11:33,481 My chain's never been left at Mandy Power's. 220 00:11:33,482 --> 00:11:34,688 Over three days of 221 00:11:34,689 --> 00:11:36,309 interview, he was asked repeatedly about 222 00:11:36,310 --> 00:11:37,860 this chain. 223 00:11:37,862 --> 00:11:39,550 He said that chain is not, 224 00:11:39,551 --> 00:11:41,621 you shown him the chain, "That's not my chain." 225 00:11:41,622 --> 00:11:42,999 "I had my chain on that night." 226 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,588 "I was wearing it that night." 227 00:11:44,589 --> 00:11:46,616 And in fact, "I lost it two weeks later on 228 00:11:46,620 --> 00:11:47,620 a building site." 229 00:11:56,586 --> 00:11:59,026 I was carrying breeze blocks 230 00:11:59,034 --> 00:12:00,004 and slabs. 231 00:12:02,068 --> 00:12:03,688 When the weight went on it and it just 232 00:12:03,689 --> 00:12:04,859 snapped it. 233 00:12:04,862 --> 00:12:06,381 It snapped the back of the link. 234 00:12:06,382 --> 00:12:07,589 Carried it in my pocket, 235 00:12:10,448 --> 00:12:13,067 I don't think it was about 236 00:12:13,068 --> 00:12:14,098 two days before I realized 237 00:12:14,103 --> 00:12:15,313 it was missing. 238 00:12:21,413 --> 00:12:22,653 We went back to 239 00:12:22,655 --> 00:12:24,191 that building site and we lifted the patio, 240 00:12:27,931 --> 00:12:29,341 but there was no chain there. 241 00:12:32,931 --> 00:12:35,757 But David Marsh used to work for a guy called 242 00:12:35,758 --> 00:12:36,828 Eric Williams. 243 00:12:39,620 --> 00:12:41,380 Now Eric Williams was a very interesting 244 00:12:41,381 --> 00:12:42,829 individual. 245 00:12:44,551 --> 00:12:45,831 He was Morris' cousin. 246 00:12:47,724 --> 00:12:50,244 And a statement was taken from him. 247 00:12:53,827 --> 00:12:56,377 One of the first things that Eric tells us 248 00:12:56,379 --> 00:12:57,829 that you said to him, okay? 249 00:12:59,344 --> 00:13:01,344 You asked him, "Can I borrow some money?" 250 00:13:02,758 --> 00:13:04,828 "Please, Sir, don't go ask me where my chain is." 251 00:13:05,689 --> 00:13:06,999 "I need to get a new one." 252 00:13:10,724 --> 00:13:12,624 What could you tell me about that then? 253 00:13:12,625 --> 00:13:13,410 -Umm. 254 00:13:21,137 --> 00:13:22,307 Detectives hunting 255 00:13:22,310 --> 00:13:23,790 the Clydach murderer have revealed 256 00:13:23,793 --> 00:13:25,963 a gold chain found at the murder scene 257 00:13:25,965 --> 00:13:28,205 that was probably torn from the killer's neck in 258 00:13:28,206 --> 00:13:29,686 a violent struggle. 259 00:13:29,689 --> 00:13:32,479 Here's our chief reporter, Penny Roberts. 260 00:13:32,482 --> 00:13:33,692 Eric took me to sell them 261 00:13:33,693 --> 00:13:36,099 this car to go down and get a chain. 262 00:13:38,379 --> 00:13:39,759 Why? 263 00:13:41,586 --> 00:13:42,516 Because I didn't wanna 264 00:13:42,518 --> 00:13:44,408 be seen without my chain. 265 00:13:47,758 --> 00:13:49,828 Because it, frankly, 266 00:13:51,758 --> 00:13:52,861 I haven't got the best reputation. 267 00:13:52,862 --> 00:13:53,692 Let me clarify. 268 00:13:56,620 --> 00:13:58,340 When I lost me chain, I panicked. 269 00:14:00,137 --> 00:14:02,997 So Eric offered to get me chain. 270 00:14:05,517 --> 00:14:08,957 And I said that that was the same chain as 271 00:14:08,965 --> 00:14:09,995 the original one. 272 00:14:13,137 --> 00:14:13,997 When the chain became 273 00:14:14,001 --> 00:14:15,205 an issue then, 274 00:14:15,206 --> 00:14:16,646 why didn't you come and tell us then? 275 00:14:16,655 --> 00:14:18,925 -Um, well, to be honest, 276 00:14:20,551 --> 00:14:21,999 the South Wales Police haven't got 277 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:22,861 the best record for catching the right people 278 00:14:22,862 --> 00:14:23,692 with it. 279 00:14:25,137 --> 00:14:26,067 As far as I'm concerned, 280 00:14:26,069 --> 00:14:27,757 I haven't done nothing wrong. 281 00:14:27,758 --> 00:14:28,928 So it's like. 282 00:14:33,620 --> 00:14:35,900 We weren't telling lies that were covering up 283 00:14:35,901 --> 00:14:37,166 for murder. 284 00:14:37,172 --> 00:14:38,102 Do you know? 285 00:14:38,104 --> 00:14:39,664 We were telling lies that was 286 00:14:42,689 --> 00:14:43,899 giving us peace of mind. 287 00:14:45,862 --> 00:14:47,072 Is there anything that 288 00:14:47,073 --> 00:14:51,067 you need to say that you omitted to say so far? 289 00:14:51,068 --> 00:14:53,068 No, that's the last of it. 290 00:14:55,034 --> 00:14:56,004 Alright, going with 291 00:14:56,005 --> 00:14:57,721 Eric says, that weeks after 292 00:14:57,724 --> 00:14:59,930 this first disclosure to him, by you, 293 00:14:59,931 --> 00:15:02,411 regarding mention of the chain, 294 00:15:02,413 --> 00:15:05,481 you said to him, "I knew that made a good Mandy." 295 00:15:05,482 --> 00:15:07,342 "In fact, I was screwing her Friday." 296 00:15:10,482 --> 00:15:11,312 -Friday? 297 00:15:12,482 --> 00:15:13,482 I didn't say Friday. 298 00:15:14,793 --> 00:15:15,723 What sort of 299 00:15:15,725 --> 00:15:16,995 conversation did you have then? 300 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,690 -I told Eric that I had sex with Mandy. 301 00:15:20,689 --> 00:15:21,517 Yeah. 302 00:15:21,518 --> 00:15:23,028 -Um. 303 00:15:29,551 --> 00:15:30,481 You've just disclosed 304 00:15:30,483 --> 00:15:33,792 to me, something totally new. 305 00:15:33,793 --> 00:15:36,663 This, David, is a very important issue. 306 00:15:39,206 --> 00:15:40,616 Eric's added that you said, 307 00:15:40,620 --> 00:15:42,310 "My chain is still with Mandy." 308 00:15:48,655 --> 00:15:49,585 I didn't say that at all. 309 00:15:49,587 --> 00:15:50,857 What I said to Eric is exactly, 310 00:15:50,862 --> 00:15:53,412 it looks exactly the same as my chain. 311 00:15:53,413 --> 00:15:56,412 And I didn't say it was my chain at all. 312 00:15:56,413 --> 00:15:58,383 You've got that totally bloody wrong. 313 00:15:58,384 --> 00:16:01,999 Totally wrong. 314 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:02,931 That's the God's honest truth, 315 00:16:02,932 --> 00:16:04,592 I didn't say nothing to him. 316 00:16:07,034 --> 00:16:08,240 The fact that you were 317 00:16:08,241 --> 00:16:09,412 digging holes there for yourself is 318 00:16:09,413 --> 00:16:11,003 the fact that the chain in this photograph 319 00:16:11,965 --> 00:16:12,825 is your chain. 320 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,210 That's why you've dug yourself a hole. 321 00:16:15,211 --> 00:16:16,716 It's not my chain. 322 00:16:16,724 --> 00:16:17,900 Why is Eric Williams 323 00:16:17,901 --> 00:16:19,585 providing us a statement that David Morris 324 00:16:19,586 --> 00:16:21,826 told me two days after the murders, 325 00:16:21,827 --> 00:16:24,097 that he had sex with Mandy Power on Friday. 326 00:16:24,103 --> 00:16:25,653 And the fact that he's left his chain 327 00:16:25,655 --> 00:16:26,475 at that scene. 328 00:16:27,655 --> 00:16:28,619 What have you gotta say about that, David? 329 00:16:28,620 --> 00:16:29,450 -No, totally wrong. 330 00:16:29,451 --> 00:16:30,999 No, he's wrong. 331 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,030 He's totally wrong. 332 00:16:33,793 --> 00:16:34,999 That's why you didn't 333 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,208 come in til four o'clock that night. 334 00:16:36,209 --> 00:16:37,137 'Cause you were at Mandy Power's house, 335 00:16:37,138 --> 00:16:38,998 9 Kelvin Road, Saturday night. 336 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,100 That is the truth, David. 337 00:16:40,103 --> 00:16:41,378 -No, it's not. 338 00:16:41,379 --> 00:16:42,309 And the lies 339 00:16:42,310 --> 00:16:43,241 and deceit that you've made over 340 00:16:43,242 --> 00:16:45,412 this last year or so is because 341 00:16:45,413 --> 00:16:48,309 that chain of yours was left at Mandy's house 342 00:16:48,310 --> 00:16:49,790 that night and you didn't realize. 343 00:16:49,793 --> 00:16:51,273 -No. 344 00:16:51,275 --> 00:16:52,645 Definitely not. 345 00:16:52,655 --> 00:16:53,955 No. 346 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:01,790 But that concludes 347 00:17:01,794 --> 00:17:03,002 this interview, Dave. 348 00:17:03,003 --> 00:17:04,480 Is there anything you wish to add? 349 00:17:04,482 --> 00:17:06,652 Or clarifying with regards to what was just said? 350 00:17:06,655 --> 00:17:08,475 We were just stupid. 351 00:17:08,482 --> 00:17:09,723 That's all we were, we were stupid. 352 00:17:09,724 --> 00:17:11,144 We were scared and we were stupid. 353 00:17:11,145 --> 00:17:12,097 Okay. 354 00:17:12,104 --> 00:17:15,688 The time is now 9:38:7. 355 00:17:15,689 --> 00:17:18,029 And I'm stopping the recording. 356 00:17:19,482 --> 00:17:20,692 South Wales police, 357 00:17:20,693 --> 00:17:22,826 have tonight, charged a 38 year old man 358 00:17:22,827 --> 00:17:24,267 with the Clydach murders. 359 00:17:24,275 --> 00:17:26,715 David Morris, a scrap metal dealer from Swansea 360 00:17:26,724 --> 00:17:29,309 is accused of murdering Mandy Power. 361 00:17:29,310 --> 00:17:30,550 When he was charged with 362 00:17:30,551 --> 00:17:33,791 the homicides, he was allowed one phone call. 363 00:17:35,896 --> 00:17:37,616 And he rang Eric Williams. 364 00:17:39,620 --> 00:17:40,960 And he said, 365 00:17:40,965 --> 00:17:42,715 in front of everybody in the custody suite, 366 00:17:42,724 --> 00:17:44,454 "Eric, I'll never forgive you for what 367 00:17:44,455 --> 00:17:45,895 you've just done." 368 00:17:45,896 --> 00:17:46,996 And put the phone down. 369 00:17:49,827 --> 00:17:51,447 A patrol car led the convoy 370 00:17:51,448 --> 00:17:53,338 that brought David Morris to the court from 371 00:17:53,344 --> 00:17:55,792 Morriston Police Station where he'd been held 372 00:17:55,793 --> 00:17:58,003 overnight since the decision to charge him with 373 00:17:58,004 --> 00:18:00,688 four counts of murder yesterday afternoon. 374 00:18:00,689 --> 00:18:03,239 Shortly afterwards, members of his family arrive 375 00:18:03,241 --> 00:18:04,211 for the hearing. 376 00:18:07,724 --> 00:18:09,309 -I remember seeing him, 377 00:18:09,310 --> 00:18:10,790 he hadn't slept for a week. 378 00:18:13,275 --> 00:18:14,240 He just kept saying, it'd be all right. 379 00:18:14,241 --> 00:18:15,070 It'd be okay. 380 00:18:15,071 --> 00:18:15,928 It'd be okay. 381 00:18:15,932 --> 00:18:17,171 It'd be okay. 382 00:18:17,172 --> 00:18:18,932 And we were all thinking it's not gonna be okay. 383 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,280 And my heart just broke. 384 00:18:23,448 --> 00:18:26,168 Just seeing him, my heart just broke. 385 00:18:26,172 --> 00:18:27,212 We just all cried. 386 00:18:30,517 --> 00:18:31,377 We just cried. 387 00:18:34,620 --> 00:18:35,790 During the three hour long 388 00:18:35,793 --> 00:18:37,033 hearing, 389 00:18:37,034 --> 00:18:38,554 a crowd had gathered behind the barriers 390 00:18:38,555 --> 00:18:40,961 to watch him being driven away to Swansea prison, 391 00:18:40,965 --> 00:18:42,645 where he'll be held until his next 392 00:18:42,655 --> 00:18:44,405 court appearance. 393 00:18:44,413 --> 00:18:45,653 We still couldn't believe 394 00:18:45,655 --> 00:18:47,585 there was gonna be an actual trial. 395 00:18:51,310 --> 00:18:53,309 Because they never had any evidence 396 00:18:53,310 --> 00:18:55,860 to place my brother at the scene. 397 00:18:55,862 --> 00:18:57,032 Nothing made sense. 398 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,895 Those first three investigations 399 00:19:11,896 --> 00:19:14,166 into the chain came back negative. 400 00:19:14,172 --> 00:19:18,309 They could not link that chain to David Morris 401 00:19:18,310 --> 00:19:20,790 and David always denied that it was his chain. 402 00:19:23,137 --> 00:19:25,337 They sent it away another time. 403 00:19:30,206 --> 00:19:31,516 We send the chain to 404 00:19:31,517 --> 00:19:33,647 a metal expert to try and prove 405 00:19:33,655 --> 00:19:35,065 it's been stretched or not. 406 00:19:38,344 --> 00:19:39,934 So the metal guy said, "I cannot tell you if 407 00:19:39,935 --> 00:19:41,411 it's been stretched or not, 408 00:19:41,413 --> 00:19:43,933 but are you aware that in the links of this chain 409 00:19:43,934 --> 00:19:45,101 is brick dust?" 410 00:19:48,551 --> 00:19:50,171 And also he said, "On the chain is some 411 00:19:50,172 --> 00:19:51,482 green paint." 412 00:19:56,793 --> 00:19:58,003 So armed with this information 413 00:19:58,004 --> 00:19:59,620 we went back to Morris' house. 414 00:20:03,620 --> 00:20:06,480 And in the kitchen, under three layers of paint, 415 00:20:08,413 --> 00:20:10,003 was the same green paint. 416 00:20:14,724 --> 00:20:17,550 So then, before the trial was due to start, 417 00:20:17,551 --> 00:20:19,619 David Morris admitted it was 418 00:20:19,620 --> 00:20:21,860 his chain found at the murder scene. 419 00:20:25,172 --> 00:20:28,999 He then said that, "I saw Mandy on the Friday", 420 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,690 the day before the murders, 421 00:20:31,827 --> 00:20:34,337 and we had sex in her house and my chain 422 00:20:34,344 --> 00:20:36,654 must have dropped out of my pocket and stayed at 423 00:20:36,655 --> 00:20:37,405 the scene. 424 00:20:40,379 --> 00:20:42,239 Why did Dai lie about 425 00:20:42,241 --> 00:20:44,411 the gold chain being his to the police? 426 00:20:47,275 --> 00:20:48,095 -What can I say? 427 00:20:48,103 --> 00:20:49,003 He was scared. 428 00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:52,170 And I can understand him being scared. 429 00:20:54,034 --> 00:20:56,102 If Mandy Jewell had found out about 430 00:20:56,103 --> 00:20:58,550 the relationship with Mandy Power, 431 00:20:58,551 --> 00:21:00,071 she'd have fucking killed him. 432 00:21:01,724 --> 00:21:04,033 That she would've fucking killed him. 433 00:21:04,034 --> 00:21:06,516 And there's no other way to put that. 434 00:21:06,517 --> 00:21:08,307 So he's obviously not gonna let it get out 435 00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:10,310 that he was seeing her best friend. 436 00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:14,960 He wasn't a well liked individual. 437 00:21:14,965 --> 00:21:18,305 He had some serious previous convictions. 438 00:21:19,724 --> 00:21:23,594 And people do strange things when they ask it. 439 00:21:26,137 --> 00:21:27,377 There's no way on 440 00:21:27,379 --> 00:21:28,279 this earth she'd ever have an affair with 441 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:29,516 that man. 442 00:21:29,517 --> 00:21:31,136 Which version of what Morris says, 443 00:21:31,137 --> 00:21:32,377 do they want to believe? 444 00:21:32,379 --> 00:21:34,589 Why was he changing his story every five, 445 00:21:34,590 --> 00:21:35,476 10 minutes. 446 00:21:36,344 --> 00:21:37,309 He's a killer. 447 00:21:37,310 --> 00:21:38,140 He's a murderer. 448 00:21:47,241 --> 00:21:48,516 -Good evening. 449 00:21:48,517 --> 00:21:51,027 The most eagerly awaited murder trial in years 450 00:21:51,034 --> 00:21:53,004 has finally begun. 451 00:21:56,241 --> 00:21:57,550 Just before 10 o'clock 452 00:21:57,551 --> 00:21:59,031 this morning, 453 00:21:59,034 --> 00:22:00,622 the van bringing David Morris the short distance 454 00:22:00,623 --> 00:22:01,760 from Swansea Prison swept into 455 00:22:01,761 --> 00:22:03,448 the court precincts. 456 00:22:05,310 --> 00:22:07,895 Inside, the 39 year old scrap metal merchant 457 00:22:07,896 --> 00:22:09,336 from Craig Cefn Parc. 458 00:22:10,517 --> 00:22:13,585 He denies all the charges against him. 459 00:22:13,586 --> 00:22:15,166 It was a huge trial. 460 00:22:18,103 --> 00:22:21,481 It was in Swansea Crown Court. 461 00:22:21,482 --> 00:22:24,032 Not the modern courthouse but 462 00:22:24,034 --> 00:22:27,004 the old fashioned courtroom over the road. 463 00:22:29,103 --> 00:22:30,792 It was very Dickensian. 464 00:22:30,793 --> 00:22:32,243 There were loads of journalists, 465 00:22:32,244 --> 00:22:35,447 loads of cameramen waiting for 466 00:22:35,448 --> 00:22:38,098 the various actors in this trial. 467 00:22:39,275 --> 00:22:41,065 The family of his alleged victims had 468 00:22:41,068 --> 00:22:43,898 arrived shortly before in two people carriers. 469 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,449 In the packed public gallery, too, 470 00:22:46,450 --> 00:22:48,308 were the defendant's fathers, sister, 471 00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:49,210 and daughters. 472 00:22:56,827 --> 00:22:59,857 I think people wanted to know about it because 473 00:22:59,862 --> 00:23:01,826 Clydachs a little village. 474 00:23:01,827 --> 00:23:04,097 And the fact that three generations of 475 00:23:04,103 --> 00:23:07,833 one family were battered to death. 476 00:23:08,827 --> 00:23:10,307 And they wanted to know why. 477 00:23:12,241 --> 00:23:13,930 And I'm not sure we know the answer now. 478 00:23:13,931 --> 00:23:15,171 Don't think we do, do we? 479 00:23:21,448 --> 00:23:24,998 This is the first proper day of the first trial. 480 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,999 And you know, I've put here, 10:30, 481 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,410 David Morris comes in and then 482 00:23:29,413 --> 00:23:30,723 Patrick Harrington QC, 483 00:23:30,724 --> 00:23:33,654 he starts his opening speech. 484 00:23:38,931 --> 00:23:42,341 Patrick Harrington is a great barrister. 485 00:23:44,482 --> 00:23:47,002 He's from Ebbw Vale in the valleys. 486 00:23:47,965 --> 00:23:49,655 He's very theatrical. 487 00:23:52,206 --> 00:23:54,546 Patrick Harrington is the sort of barrister 488 00:23:55,965 --> 00:23:57,375 that if you are accused of murder, 489 00:23:57,379 --> 00:23:58,759 you'd want him on your team. 490 00:24:01,413 --> 00:24:03,143 But at David Morris's trial, 491 00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:07,830 he was the QC for the prosecution. 492 00:24:10,620 --> 00:24:12,999 -Right. 493 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,240 This is a case where four victims 494 00:24:16,241 --> 00:24:19,999 of one family were bludgeoned to death 495 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,170 by the defendant, David Morris. 496 00:24:23,896 --> 00:24:27,476 When you have heard all of this evidence, 497 00:24:27,482 --> 00:24:29,999 it will be your conclusion that 498 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,900 the killer had a number of attributes 499 00:24:34,241 --> 00:24:38,101 and the capacity for extreme rage and violence. 500 00:24:40,344 --> 00:24:42,664 This was not merely murder, 501 00:24:44,482 --> 00:24:45,832 this was a massacre. 502 00:24:47,586 --> 00:24:49,996 The prosecution put the case against 503 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,720 David Morris on several bases. 504 00:24:53,724 --> 00:24:56,757 Firstly, that he lied about the ownership of 505 00:24:56,758 --> 00:25:00,408 the chain and he continued to lie, 506 00:25:00,413 --> 00:25:02,343 even swearing on his children's life, 507 00:25:02,344 --> 00:25:04,454 that that was not his chain. 508 00:25:05,655 --> 00:25:06,585 As the murder 509 00:25:06,587 --> 00:25:07,757 investigation intensified, 510 00:25:07,758 --> 00:25:10,516 the chain was the focus of huge publicity. 511 00:25:10,517 --> 00:25:12,516 Detectives called a news conference in 512 00:25:12,517 --> 00:25:14,447 the hope of getting new leads. 513 00:25:14,448 --> 00:25:15,688 The original phrase, 514 00:25:15,689 --> 00:25:18,649 which had been used by the press was, 515 00:25:18,655 --> 00:25:20,375 "Find the owner of the chain and you find 516 00:25:20,379 --> 00:25:22,136 the murderer." 517 00:25:22,137 --> 00:25:23,277 And that's what we did. 518 00:25:24,862 --> 00:25:26,171 Builder Eric Williams said, 519 00:25:26,172 --> 00:25:27,930 David Morris asked him to buy 520 00:25:27,931 --> 00:25:30,271 an identical chain to show the police. 521 00:25:30,275 --> 00:25:31,205 He wasn't 522 00:25:31,207 --> 00:25:33,307 a normal member of the public. 523 00:25:33,310 --> 00:25:35,410 He was a flawed member of the public 524 00:25:35,413 --> 00:25:37,213 and someone with a criminal record. 525 00:25:38,344 --> 00:25:39,834 In 1987, he was jailed for 526 00:25:39,835 --> 00:25:41,687 conspiracy to rob and robbery. 527 00:25:41,689 --> 00:25:43,449 He was given a four year sentence. 528 00:25:43,450 --> 00:25:44,718 He had previous 529 00:25:44,724 --> 00:25:48,344 convictions for serious violence and took drugs. 530 00:25:49,517 --> 00:25:50,447 He was a person with 531 00:25:50,449 --> 00:25:52,099 a capacity for explosive rage 532 00:25:52,103 --> 00:25:53,413 and extreme violence. 533 00:25:54,620 --> 00:25:56,340 At a local pub, on the night of the killing, 534 00:25:56,344 --> 00:25:58,104 Mr. Morris had been heard criticizing 535 00:25:58,105 --> 00:25:58,973 Mandy Power. 536 00:26:00,206 --> 00:26:01,343 That was the calm before the storm, 537 00:26:01,344 --> 00:26:02,524 the prosecution claim. 538 00:26:05,034 --> 00:26:06,723 Patrick Harrington told the call that 539 00:26:06,724 --> 00:26:09,102 the defendant killed each of them because 540 00:26:09,103 --> 00:26:11,903 Mandy Power had rejected his sexual advances. 541 00:26:14,896 --> 00:26:16,096 When crimes of this sort 542 00:26:16,103 --> 00:26:17,033 are committed, 543 00:26:18,344 --> 00:26:22,861 there is only one living person who can tell you 544 00:26:22,862 --> 00:26:23,692 what happened. 545 00:26:24,896 --> 00:26:27,026 And he is not going to tell you. 546 00:26:31,034 --> 00:26:32,826 The crime scene video was 547 00:26:32,827 --> 00:26:36,097 a very effective tool for the prosecution 548 00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:41,067 and it showed the jury from the start, 549 00:26:41,068 --> 00:26:42,998 the horror of the scene that they were gonna 550 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,380 have to confront in the following weeks. 551 00:26:48,344 --> 00:26:49,585 He had 552 00:26:49,586 --> 00:26:52,236 an argument with Mandy Power when she repelled 553 00:26:52,241 --> 00:26:54,241 his sexual advances. 554 00:26:56,206 --> 00:26:59,476 She made it clear that she wanted nothing to do 555 00:26:59,482 --> 00:27:00,382 with men. 556 00:27:02,482 --> 00:27:06,242 The greatest violence was shown to all victims. 557 00:27:09,103 --> 00:27:11,143 It was an orgy of savagery. 558 00:27:14,275 --> 00:27:17,275 It would not take long for a powerful man 559 00:27:18,620 --> 00:27:22,720 to quell an invalid, two children, and one woman. 560 00:27:26,482 --> 00:27:27,722 Prosecutor, 561 00:27:27,724 --> 00:27:29,654 Patrick Harrington QC warned the jury that 562 00:27:29,655 --> 00:27:32,135 the police video contained scenes that were bound 563 00:27:32,137 --> 00:27:33,997 to be distressing. 564 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,270 Harrowing images of the battered bodies of 565 00:27:36,275 --> 00:27:38,585 Mandy Power and her two little girls. 566 00:27:38,586 --> 00:27:40,376 Showing their terrible injuries in 567 00:27:40,379 --> 00:27:42,239 graphic detail. 568 00:27:42,241 --> 00:27:43,651 Halfway through the screening, 569 00:27:43,655 --> 00:27:46,065 a young male juror collapsed and he was taken 570 00:27:46,068 --> 00:27:48,758 to Swansea Singleton Hospital by ambulance. 571 00:27:50,724 --> 00:27:51,831 I do remember putting 572 00:27:51,832 --> 00:27:53,516 my head between my knees because 573 00:27:53,517 --> 00:27:54,517 I almost passed out. 574 00:27:56,655 --> 00:27:59,205 The video was taken after 575 00:27:59,206 --> 00:28:01,786 the fire officers had brought the bodies 576 00:28:06,931 --> 00:28:07,931 out of the house. 577 00:28:12,931 --> 00:28:14,341 It's not like 578 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,447 when you watch a murder mystery on the TV, 579 00:28:19,448 --> 00:28:20,828 you know that the people in 580 00:28:20,829 --> 00:28:24,137 the video are not dead, they're alive, 581 00:28:26,965 --> 00:28:28,235 but these are real people. 582 00:28:34,379 --> 00:28:36,029 It was intense. 583 00:28:38,931 --> 00:28:40,378 Obviously the court had to see 584 00:28:40,379 --> 00:28:42,058 this video and the jurors had to see this video. 585 00:28:42,758 --> 00:28:43,588 -Did they? 586 00:28:45,482 --> 00:28:47,172 They didn't need to see the video. 587 00:28:48,620 --> 00:28:51,000 Because it was so prejudicial. 588 00:28:52,137 --> 00:28:54,787 It didn't matter who was the defendant, 589 00:28:54,793 --> 00:28:56,213 these images, 590 00:28:59,448 --> 00:29:00,928 they didn't need to see them. 591 00:29:03,482 --> 00:29:07,205 Mr. Patrick Harrington's opening was 592 00:29:07,206 --> 00:29:10,686 far more about theatricals and drama 593 00:29:11,724 --> 00:29:13,074 rather than substance. 594 00:29:15,620 --> 00:29:17,410 That appeared to be his style. 595 00:29:20,103 --> 00:29:22,826 But the defense case was based on 596 00:29:22,827 --> 00:29:25,337 the forensics at the scene. 597 00:29:29,931 --> 00:29:33,930 And the one important thing to establish here was 598 00:29:33,931 --> 00:29:35,411 the sequence of deaths. 599 00:29:41,379 --> 00:29:42,589 The fiberglass pole that 600 00:29:42,590 --> 00:29:44,786 we found on the landing was in fact, 601 00:29:44,793 --> 00:29:47,523 the weapon that killed all four of them. 602 00:29:48,931 --> 00:29:51,481 And we found blood on the pole that matched 603 00:29:51,482 --> 00:29:54,212 that of Katie, Emily, and Mandy. 604 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,516 But because there was no detectable level 605 00:29:59,517 --> 00:30:01,027 of blood standing from Doris, 606 00:30:02,344 --> 00:30:05,205 the most logical explanation is that Doris was 607 00:30:05,206 --> 00:30:06,756 the first to die. 608 00:30:09,793 --> 00:30:12,381 Any blood from Doris could have been wiped off by 609 00:30:12,382 --> 00:30:13,209 the offender. 610 00:30:17,724 --> 00:30:19,309 And then after that, 611 00:30:19,310 --> 00:30:21,960 the person could have waited in the house until 612 00:30:21,965 --> 00:30:23,235 the family came home. 613 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,550 This puts the killer in 614 00:30:29,551 --> 00:30:31,281 Doris's bedroom first, 615 00:30:32,482 --> 00:30:34,830 not downstairs having an argument with Mandy over 616 00:30:34,831 --> 00:30:35,997 a sexual encounter. 617 00:30:38,379 --> 00:30:41,549 It's Mandy he would've killed or attacked 618 00:30:41,551 --> 00:30:43,241 if he was being refused sex. 619 00:30:45,103 --> 00:30:47,723 It just doesn't fit with David Morris being 620 00:30:47,724 --> 00:30:49,794 the killer. 621 00:30:53,517 --> 00:30:55,237 To be a good defense lawyer, 622 00:30:55,241 --> 00:30:58,688 you've got to put enough doubt before a jury. 623 00:30:58,689 --> 00:31:00,549 And the defense case was that 624 00:31:00,551 --> 00:31:02,271 the murders were probably committed 625 00:31:02,275 --> 00:31:03,995 by Alison Lewis. 626 00:31:08,655 --> 00:31:10,685 A vibrator was found inside 627 00:31:10,689 --> 00:31:13,826 Mandy when her body was recovered. 628 00:31:13,827 --> 00:31:16,167 We took some DNA swabs from 629 00:31:16,172 --> 00:31:19,895 the smeary staining on the vibrator and also from 630 00:31:19,896 --> 00:31:23,166 the inner inner thigh of Mandy. 631 00:31:23,172 --> 00:31:27,412 And the DNA was a mixture of material from 632 00:31:27,413 --> 00:31:30,999 Mandy and also some which could be from 633 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,930 Alison Lewis. 634 00:31:36,482 --> 00:31:38,412 Alison Lewis's DNA was found on 635 00:31:38,413 --> 00:31:40,173 the inside of Mandy's thighs. 636 00:31:41,896 --> 00:31:43,166 There's no timeframe. 637 00:31:43,172 --> 00:31:45,002 We don't know when that DNA was left. 638 00:31:46,586 --> 00:31:49,516 But David Morris's DNA is not on her thighs. 639 00:31:51,482 --> 00:31:55,447 There is stronger evidence against somebody else 640 00:31:55,448 --> 00:31:57,448 than you have against David Morris. 641 00:32:00,137 --> 00:32:02,897 Members of the jury, there's your doubt. 642 00:32:13,896 --> 00:32:14,826 Alison Lewis is 643 00:32:14,828 --> 00:32:16,308 a key prosecution witness. 644 00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:18,519 And for three hours today, she stood before 645 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,717 a packed courtroom and told the jury about 646 00:32:20,724 --> 00:32:23,412 her background and her lesbian lifestyle. 647 00:32:23,413 --> 00:32:25,412 The mother of twin girls had battled with 648 00:32:25,413 --> 00:32:28,412 her sexuality until she took up women's rugby. 649 00:32:28,413 --> 00:32:30,073 She realized then she was gay, 650 00:32:30,074 --> 00:32:31,958 but always hid her secret from her 651 00:32:31,965 --> 00:32:33,305 Police Sergeant husband. 652 00:32:33,310 --> 00:32:36,205 The defense strategy was always that 653 00:32:36,206 --> 00:32:38,716 Dai Morris didn't commit the murders. 654 00:32:38,724 --> 00:32:41,102 That the finger of suspicion was pointed 655 00:32:41,103 --> 00:32:43,833 firmly at Alison Lewis. 656 00:32:44,724 --> 00:32:46,516 And to that end, they brought 657 00:32:46,517 --> 00:32:48,787 a number of defense witnesses. 658 00:32:48,793 --> 00:32:52,523 One of whom was a martial arts expert. 659 00:33:00,758 --> 00:33:02,208 And he got the fiberglass pole 660 00:33:02,209 --> 00:33:05,896 that had been used with such devastating force 661 00:33:07,931 --> 00:33:11,411 and said it could be used in a martial arts way. 662 00:33:13,793 --> 00:33:16,481 And the significance of that is that 663 00:33:16,482 --> 00:33:21,072 Alison Lewis was a second Dan in karate. 664 00:33:27,448 --> 00:33:29,408 Under cross examination by the defense, 665 00:33:29,413 --> 00:33:31,383 Alison Lewis admitted that shortly after 666 00:33:31,384 --> 00:33:32,649 the murders, 667 00:33:32,655 --> 00:33:34,685 she'd begun an affair with an old girlfriend 668 00:33:34,689 --> 00:33:36,449 and was questioned in detail about her 669 00:33:36,450 --> 00:33:38,378 martial arts expertise. 670 00:33:38,379 --> 00:33:41,029 She said she was a Black Belt British Champion 671 00:33:41,034 --> 00:33:43,274 and was trained to use a karate bow, 672 00:33:43,275 --> 00:33:44,855 a long wooden pole. 673 00:33:44,862 --> 00:33:46,899 She was shown the murder weapon and said 674 00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:48,406 the pole she used was lighter. 675 00:33:48,413 --> 00:33:51,313 It was all smoke and mirrors. 676 00:33:56,034 --> 00:33:57,594 Let's say this about who. 677 00:33:58,758 --> 00:34:01,648 How can we twist the evidence to make 678 00:34:01,655 --> 00:34:02,545 it look like her? 679 00:34:03,758 --> 00:34:05,338 And I was just in awe of it all. 680 00:34:06,241 --> 00:34:07,411 Disgusted, really. 681 00:34:08,931 --> 00:34:10,101 The lesbian lover of 682 00:34:10,103 --> 00:34:11,963 murdered mother, Mandy Power has been 683 00:34:11,965 --> 00:34:13,515 telling Swansea Crown Court of 684 00:34:13,517 --> 00:34:15,337 their passionate affair. 685 00:34:15,344 --> 00:34:16,723 Former Policewoman Alison Lewis. 686 00:34:16,724 --> 00:34:17,655 And I think I was in 687 00:34:17,656 --> 00:34:18,895 the witness box for four days. 688 00:34:18,896 --> 00:34:19,586 The jury of her love for 689 00:34:19,587 --> 00:34:20,857 the divorcee. 690 00:34:20,862 --> 00:34:22,550 They brought everything up. 691 00:34:22,551 --> 00:34:24,521 Every personal relationship, 692 00:34:26,068 --> 00:34:28,168 sexual things. 693 00:34:28,172 --> 00:34:31,619 It was completely, I was on trial, 694 00:34:31,620 --> 00:34:33,516 not David Morris. 695 00:34:33,517 --> 00:34:36,097 Everything I said, everything I did, 696 00:34:36,103 --> 00:34:37,483 how I behaved. 697 00:34:38,655 --> 00:34:39,955 The jury heard how she tried 698 00:34:39,965 --> 00:34:41,545 to commit suicide because she was so 699 00:34:41,551 --> 00:34:43,031 grief stricken. 700 00:34:43,034 --> 00:34:45,930 She was then admitted to a psychiatric hospital. 701 00:34:45,931 --> 00:34:47,101 A year later, she was. 702 00:34:47,103 --> 00:34:48,903 My relationship with Mandy. 703 00:34:49,931 --> 00:34:51,171 It tore me to shreds. 704 00:34:54,068 --> 00:34:56,478 Everything that me and Mandy felt for each other 705 00:34:58,344 --> 00:35:00,454 was used, now, against me. 706 00:35:19,206 --> 00:35:21,516 The film "Armageddon" was 707 00:35:21,517 --> 00:35:24,067 a film that Mandy Power and Alison Lewis loved 708 00:35:24,068 --> 00:35:25,648 to watch together. 709 00:35:25,655 --> 00:35:28,685 But the theme song, which is a song by Aerosmith, 710 00:35:28,689 --> 00:35:30,378 "I Don't Want to Miss a Thing," 711 00:35:30,379 --> 00:35:31,719 had become their song. 712 00:35:35,655 --> 00:35:37,925 There was evidence at the scene that there were 713 00:35:37,931 --> 00:35:40,521 a number of videos downstairs in the living room. 714 00:35:41,965 --> 00:35:44,615 And there was clear evidence that 715 00:35:44,620 --> 00:35:46,030 the killer was handling them. 716 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,240 But the only video that was missing was 717 00:35:52,241 --> 00:35:53,721 this "Armageddon" video. 718 00:35:55,517 --> 00:35:59,136 And the person who gave us that evidence was 719 00:35:59,137 --> 00:36:03,517 a young 16 year old by the name of Louise Pugh. 720 00:36:05,517 --> 00:36:09,267 Louise Pugh borrowed the "Armageddon" video. 721 00:36:09,275 --> 00:36:12,615 But she had posted it back that night. 722 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,450 Why has the "Armageddon" video 723 00:36:16,451 --> 00:36:18,758 got to be back at Mandy's house? 724 00:36:20,103 --> 00:36:21,623 She said "Me and Alison want to 725 00:36:21,624 --> 00:36:24,590 watch it if she comes down tonight." 726 00:36:26,034 --> 00:36:28,171 Tell me about that night then. 727 00:36:28,172 --> 00:36:29,930 I went in my house. 728 00:36:29,931 --> 00:36:32,341 I got my jacket and the video. 729 00:36:33,620 --> 00:36:36,620 Closed the door and I went round to Mandy's. 730 00:36:46,517 --> 00:36:48,027 I wrote a note. 731 00:36:49,448 --> 00:36:52,168 And I put the note in the sleeve of the video. 732 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,170 Walked down around to Mandy's through front. 733 00:37:03,172 --> 00:37:04,212 The door was locked. 734 00:37:05,068 --> 00:37:07,648 So I knocked it, but obviously, 735 00:37:07,655 --> 00:37:08,895 I knew nobody was there, 736 00:37:08,896 --> 00:37:10,716 I just thought Doris would've shouted. 737 00:37:14,034 --> 00:37:15,664 So I posted the video through. 738 00:37:40,758 --> 00:37:42,308 A little while afterwards, 739 00:37:43,413 --> 00:37:45,343 another police officer came to see me. 740 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,690 He asked me again about the "Armageddon" video. 741 00:37:56,206 --> 00:37:57,996 If the cassette was in the box. 742 00:37:59,724 --> 00:38:02,314 I knew it was because I checked. 743 00:38:05,206 --> 00:38:07,586 And he told me that 744 00:38:09,965 --> 00:38:11,275 the actual cassette 745 00:38:12,413 --> 00:38:15,453 from inside the video box was found 746 00:38:20,103 --> 00:38:21,103 in Alison's home. 747 00:38:36,241 --> 00:38:38,240 So why would that be there? 748 00:38:38,241 --> 00:38:41,031 If I had posted it through the Saturday? 749 00:38:41,034 --> 00:38:42,004 How did she get it? 750 00:38:48,689 --> 00:38:51,169 Why has it taken 'til today 751 00:38:51,172 --> 00:38:53,412 to tell us about the note and video going 752 00:38:53,413 --> 00:38:55,723 to Mandy's house on Saturday night? 753 00:38:55,724 --> 00:38:57,688 I wanted to retrace my steps 754 00:38:57,689 --> 00:38:59,789 and make sure I was saying the truth. 755 00:39:01,655 --> 00:39:04,825 And not just lying. 756 00:39:04,827 --> 00:39:06,237 Have you lied at all to me 757 00:39:06,241 --> 00:39:08,688 or anybody else in the inquiry? 758 00:39:08,689 --> 00:39:10,719 No. 759 00:39:10,724 --> 00:39:13,205 What you told me this morning. 760 00:39:13,206 --> 00:39:15,376 Louise Pugh was important in 761 00:39:15,379 --> 00:39:17,449 so far as the evidence that she gave surrounding 762 00:39:17,450 --> 00:39:18,998 this "Armageddon" video. 763 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,960 Because she was adamant that she'd returned 764 00:39:20,965 --> 00:39:22,615 it to Mandy that night. 765 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,690 Could all this have happened on 766 00:39:25,691 --> 00:39:27,549 another Saturday? 767 00:39:27,551 --> 00:39:28,481 No. 768 00:39:29,862 --> 00:39:31,862 I'm not changing what I said for no-one. 769 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,757 -We called her as a defense witness and she went 770 00:39:36,758 --> 00:39:37,658 into the box. 771 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,480 And then Mr. Patrick Harrington cross examined 772 00:39:41,482 --> 00:39:42,312 her. 773 00:39:46,827 --> 00:39:51,136 -She gave evidence about the presence or absence 774 00:39:51,137 --> 00:39:53,717 of the film "Armageddon," 775 00:39:53,724 --> 00:39:56,999 but the evidence she gave was not supported by 776 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,516 any other source. 777 00:39:58,517 --> 00:40:00,547 And she was reluctant to acknowledge that 778 00:40:00,551 --> 00:40:03,721 she might have been wrong, which she plainly was. 779 00:40:05,448 --> 00:40:09,208 -I knew that I posted it on the 26th. 780 00:40:11,137 --> 00:40:12,617 I was not gonna back down. 781 00:40:14,206 --> 00:40:16,276 I was done with them walking all over me. 782 00:40:19,620 --> 00:40:20,590 Louise, at the time was 783 00:40:20,591 --> 00:40:23,477 a very vulnerable young girl. 784 00:40:23,482 --> 00:40:25,999 And Patrick Harrington was pushing her on 785 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,826 inconsistencies in her evidence. 786 00:40:28,827 --> 00:40:32,617 And it was at that point that she lost it. 787 00:40:32,620 --> 00:40:36,860 And she swore at Pat Harrington and stormed outta 788 00:40:36,862 --> 00:40:41,067 the witness box in front of the jury. 789 00:40:41,068 --> 00:40:45,098 And it destroyed for the defense, 790 00:40:45,103 --> 00:40:46,103 that witness. 791 00:40:48,103 --> 00:40:49,000 A witness in 792 00:40:49,001 --> 00:40:50,271 the Clydach murder trial 793 00:40:50,275 --> 00:40:52,545 has stormed out of court and swore at barristers 794 00:40:52,551 --> 00:40:54,760 as the prosecution challenged her evidence saying 795 00:40:54,761 --> 00:40:56,788 it didn't match her statements to police after 796 00:40:56,793 --> 00:40:57,593 the killings. 797 00:40:58,689 --> 00:41:00,649 The prosecution claimed that 19 year old 798 00:41:00,655 --> 00:41:02,475 Louise Pugh mixed up dates. 799 00:41:02,482 --> 00:41:04,522 When giving an account of the day before 800 00:41:04,523 --> 00:41:05,337 the murders. 801 00:41:11,413 --> 00:41:13,963 When the jury retired, 802 00:41:13,965 --> 00:41:16,855 I don't think anybody knew exactly which way 803 00:41:16,862 --> 00:41:18,972 things were gonna go. 804 00:41:20,689 --> 00:41:23,929 We waited for days outside and it was really hot. 805 00:41:25,896 --> 00:41:29,996 I remember it was 3:38 on a Friday afternoon. 806 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,720 And we were called in. 807 00:41:36,551 --> 00:41:38,378 I remember Mr. Hutchison going 808 00:41:38,379 --> 00:41:39,339 to hold my hand. 809 00:41:40,724 --> 00:41:43,516 And I saw the jury walk back in, 810 00:41:43,517 --> 00:41:44,826 they were to my left. 811 00:41:44,827 --> 00:41:47,205 And the ladies were in tears. 812 00:41:47,206 --> 00:41:49,826 They were crying and they sat down. 813 00:41:49,827 --> 00:41:51,407 -And the foreman looked directly at 814 00:41:51,413 --> 00:41:52,688 David Morris. 815 00:41:52,689 --> 00:41:53,964 And I thought, Oh, well maybe it's not 816 00:41:53,965 --> 00:41:58,265 guilty verdict because juries don't tend to 817 00:41:58,275 --> 00:41:59,645 look people in the face if 818 00:41:59,655 --> 00:42:01,205 they're gonna convict them. 819 00:42:01,206 --> 00:42:03,026 -And I remember in that split second, 820 00:42:03,034 --> 00:42:04,694 we were all thinking the same thing. 821 00:42:04,695 --> 00:42:07,929 We've got this, it's in the bag. 822 00:42:07,931 --> 00:42:09,411 The right decision is gonna be made. 823 00:42:09,413 --> 00:42:11,283 They're going to find him not guilty. 824 00:42:25,931 --> 00:42:26,791 When the guilty verdict 825 00:42:26,794 --> 00:42:28,174 came through it was um, 826 00:42:30,655 --> 00:42:32,205 It was just, 827 00:42:32,206 --> 00:42:33,996 I honestly can't describe it. 828 00:42:35,137 --> 00:42:36,407 And I just wanted to sit by him. 829 00:42:36,413 --> 00:42:38,451 I just wanted to go and sit next to him. 830 00:42:38,452 --> 00:42:39,648 'Cause he was just there. 831 00:42:39,655 --> 00:42:41,135 And I thought he was being accused of 832 00:42:41,137 --> 00:42:42,957 this horrific murder 833 00:42:42,965 --> 00:42:44,995 and he's just there on his own. 834 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,720 I just wanted to go and sit by him. 835 00:42:50,448 --> 00:42:51,718 That was a, 836 00:42:51,724 --> 00:42:52,964 'cause we've always been there for each other, 837 00:42:52,965 --> 00:42:54,205 you know? 838 00:42:54,206 --> 00:42:55,240 And he's always been there for me. 839 00:42:55,241 --> 00:42:56,831 And I just wanted to sit by him. 840 00:43:05,931 --> 00:43:07,271 -When the verdicts were delivered. 841 00:43:07,275 --> 00:43:09,375 I sat in court with the family. 842 00:43:11,172 --> 00:43:13,342 And the foreman stood up and pronounced 843 00:43:13,344 --> 00:43:14,174 the verdicts. 844 00:43:14,175 --> 00:43:16,688 It was rather strange. 845 00:43:16,689 --> 00:43:19,999 I felt I'd be wanting to punch the sky. 846 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:20,860 Yes! 847 00:43:20,863 --> 00:43:21,932 You know, fantastic. 848 00:43:21,933 --> 00:43:23,171 It wasn't that at all. 849 00:43:23,172 --> 00:43:26,895 It was to me quite a sublime moment. 850 00:43:26,896 --> 00:43:30,966 And it was something that I just look back and um 851 00:43:34,620 --> 00:43:36,310 I thought of Katie. 852 00:43:43,103 --> 00:43:44,343 I'll do that a bit again. 853 00:43:57,310 --> 00:43:59,309 I had two daughters who were 854 00:43:59,310 --> 00:44:00,930 younger than Katie and Emily. 855 00:44:04,965 --> 00:44:06,965 And I can see my children grow up 856 00:44:08,827 --> 00:44:11,617 and love them and enjoy them. 857 00:44:11,620 --> 00:44:14,660 And you know, that's been denied 858 00:44:16,034 --> 00:44:18,004 to Mandy's family. 859 00:44:22,206 --> 00:44:23,516 It has been three long 860 00:44:23,517 --> 00:44:25,857 and difficult years since Mom, 861 00:44:25,862 --> 00:44:27,382 Mandy, Katie, and Emily were 862 00:44:27,383 --> 00:44:29,649 so clearly taken from us. 863 00:44:29,655 --> 00:44:31,025 And today we know 864 00:44:31,034 --> 00:44:32,934 that evil person responsible for this will spend 865 00:44:32,935 --> 00:44:35,378 the rest of his life behind bars. 866 00:44:35,379 --> 00:44:36,649 But this will never be enough for 867 00:44:36,655 --> 00:44:38,515 the sense of pain and loss that we feel 868 00:44:38,517 --> 00:44:39,717 every day, 869 00:44:39,724 --> 00:44:41,214 nor for the sheer hell and fear all our 870 00:44:41,215 --> 00:44:42,786 family went through that night. 871 00:44:43,965 --> 00:44:45,755 Was it the right verdict? 872 00:44:50,724 --> 00:44:55,033 -I think the only person who knows whether 873 00:44:55,034 --> 00:44:57,516 they committed those murders or not 874 00:44:57,517 --> 00:44:58,757 is David Morris. 875 00:44:58,758 --> 00:45:03,308 No one knows 100%, what went on in that house 876 00:45:03,310 --> 00:45:05,650 and who was responsible. 877 00:45:05,655 --> 00:45:08,995 What I can say is that everybody on 878 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,000 the press bench that sat through 879 00:45:12,137 --> 00:45:15,927 that trial felt that the right verdict, 880 00:45:15,931 --> 00:45:17,211 on the basis of the evidence 881 00:45:17,212 --> 00:45:18,966 that was presented in the court 882 00:45:20,620 --> 00:45:22,070 was the right verdict. 883 00:45:23,413 --> 00:45:25,895 This has been an extraordinary trial where 884 00:45:25,896 --> 00:45:28,476 the defense claimed Alison Lewis had killed 885 00:45:28,482 --> 00:45:30,382 those she loved. 886 00:45:33,103 --> 00:45:35,619 -I am pleased with the verdict today. 887 00:45:35,620 --> 00:45:38,378 Justice has finally been achieved. 888 00:45:38,379 --> 00:45:40,549 While standing trial for murder, 889 00:45:40,551 --> 00:45:42,999 the judicial system afforded David Morris, 890 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,480 the luxury of being innocent until proven guilty. 891 00:45:49,103 --> 00:45:50,073 What was it like when you heard 892 00:45:50,074 --> 00:45:50,998 the guilty verdict? 893 00:45:52,758 --> 00:45:54,968 What emotions did you feel? 894 00:45:57,310 --> 00:45:59,270 Angry, I think. 895 00:45:59,275 --> 00:46:02,405 Angry that he had done this to people I love. 896 00:46:04,034 --> 00:46:06,414 Angry that he'd been allowed to get away with 897 00:46:06,415 --> 00:46:07,593 it for so long. 898 00:46:09,862 --> 00:46:10,862 And relief. 899 00:46:12,517 --> 00:46:14,757 I have felt the loss of Mandy, 900 00:46:14,758 --> 00:46:18,238 Katie, and Emily, Doris more than anyone 901 00:46:18,241 --> 00:46:19,516 will ever know. 902 00:46:19,517 --> 00:46:21,927 However, I have never lost sight of 903 00:46:21,931 --> 00:46:24,101 the pain Mandy's family must have 904 00:46:24,103 --> 00:46:26,585 and still are suffering. 905 00:46:26,586 --> 00:46:29,136 And I wish them the strength to move forward 906 00:46:29,137 --> 00:46:31,516 in an attempt to rebuild their lives. 907 00:46:31,517 --> 00:46:34,826 As my family and myself now have to work at 908 00:46:34,827 --> 00:46:35,927 rebuilding ours. 909 00:46:38,896 --> 00:46:39,723 So you must have thought that 910 00:46:39,724 --> 00:46:40,554 that was it. 911 00:46:42,172 --> 00:46:43,652 -Yeah, to a degree. 912 00:46:43,655 --> 00:46:47,235 I thought things are gonna be more positive. 913 00:46:47,241 --> 00:46:48,661 He's being convicted. 914 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,970 I thought I could start to rebuild, 915 00:46:54,413 --> 00:46:56,313 get on with my life. 916 00:46:57,931 --> 00:46:59,341 That things would get better. 917 00:46:59,344 --> 00:47:00,484 That's what I thought. 918 00:47:02,793 --> 00:47:04,140 But little did I know, 919 00:47:04,141 --> 00:47:05,547 it was gonna be short lived. 920 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,208 Today it was claimed that 921 00:47:19,209 --> 00:47:21,476 Swansea Solicitor, David Hutchison should never 922 00:47:21,482 --> 00:47:23,072 have represented Morris. 923 00:47:23,073 --> 00:47:25,268 Because he also represented this man, 924 00:47:25,275 --> 00:47:28,205 Sergeant Steven Lewis, a serving police officer. 925 00:47:28,206 --> 00:47:29,996 -Mr. -David Hutchison had 926 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,757 represented both Steven and Stewart Lewis when 927 00:47:32,758 --> 00:47:34,028 the police were investigating 928 00:47:34,034 --> 00:47:36,314 them in connection with the Clydach murders. 929 00:47:36,315 --> 00:47:37,550 He had agreed with 930 00:47:37,551 --> 00:47:39,721 David Hutchison that he wouldn't be blamed for 931 00:47:39,724 --> 00:47:41,619 the murders at Morris's trial. 932 00:47:41,620 --> 00:47:44,270 I wasn't aware that there was 933 00:47:44,275 --> 00:47:47,065 some form of agreement that had taken place. 934 00:47:48,482 --> 00:47:52,585 That whilst Mr. Hutchison was going to represent 935 00:47:52,586 --> 00:47:56,896 David Morris, that he wouldn't accuse 936 00:47:58,896 --> 00:48:00,856 Steven or Stewart Lewis of the murders. 937 00:48:04,103 --> 00:48:05,552 Was the full case against 938 00:48:05,553 --> 00:48:07,621 Steven and Stuart Lewis made to the jury? 939 00:48:08,862 --> 00:48:09,692 -No. 940 00:48:10,965 --> 00:48:12,445 It was all about Alison Lewis. 941 00:48:14,137 --> 00:48:16,027 We stayed clear of the Lewis brothers. 942 00:48:16,028 --> 00:48:18,028 - - - o O o - - - 943 00:48:18,029 --> 00:48:20,029 ---oOo--- 65788

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