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ALLEN: OK. 39 00:02:10,213 --> 00:02:11,757 - He hadn't spoken to her. 40 00:02:11,757 --> 00:02:17,012 ALLEN: And so, for sure, it's the victim of Travis Crouch, 41 00:02:17,012 --> 00:02:19,473 who he's convicted on in Colorado. 42 00:02:19,473 --> 00:02:21,350 - That's what I've been led to believe. 43 00:02:21,350 --> 00:02:25,437 Special Agent Allen and I did make a phone call to her. 44 00:02:25,437 --> 00:02:27,230 It's been 26 years. 45 00:02:27,230 --> 00:02:29,858 And she is--she's struggled to talk about it, 46 00:02:29,858 --> 00:02:31,568 and we didn't force it. 47 00:02:31,568 --> 00:02:34,112 We're not going to--we have records we can go back to. 48 00:02:34,112 --> 00:02:37,574 So we don't need to make her relive all that. 49 00:02:37,574 --> 00:02:40,994 She had testified in the parole hearing one way or another, 50 00:02:40,994 --> 00:02:43,872 but that wound had been opened for the first time in-- 51 00:02:43,872 --> 00:02:45,540 since that trial was over. 52 00:02:45,540 --> 00:02:48,210 So she had been through a rough couple of days, 53 00:02:48,210 --> 00:02:49,211 to say the least. 54 00:02:49,211 --> 00:02:51,129 But we did speak to her. 55 00:02:51,129 --> 00:02:53,465 Fortunately, she was strong. 56 00:02:53,465 --> 00:02:58,387 His victim fought this parole, and it was denied. 57 00:02:58,387 --> 00:03:04,059 ♪ ♪ 58 00:03:04,059 --> 00:03:06,895 He'll be in Colorado prison for at least another year. 59 00:03:06,895 --> 00:03:11,108 He'll be eligible for another parole hearing in a year, 60 00:03:11,108 --> 00:03:12,734 and we'll see what happens. 61 00:03:12,734 --> 00:03:16,405 But the timing was wild that the day of that meeting, 62 00:03:16,405 --> 00:03:18,907 we found out, he's going to have a parole hearing 63 00:03:18,907 --> 00:03:20,117 two days later. 64 00:03:20,117 --> 00:03:21,827 But we were on a pretty tight clock 65 00:03:21,827 --> 00:03:24,621 if his parole had been released, and worse than that, 66 00:03:24,621 --> 00:03:26,248 he would be back on the streets. 67 00:03:26,248 --> 00:03:28,500 You know, maybe he was reformed in prison, 68 00:03:28,500 --> 00:03:29,835 but we don't know that. 69 00:03:29,835 --> 00:03:32,629 And the data that we do have on him 70 00:03:32,629 --> 00:03:34,464 +is that he was very violent. 71 00:03:34,464 --> 00:03:37,050 And I'm not sitting here saying, 72 00:03:37,050 --> 00:03:38,343 for sure, that he did it. 73 00:03:38,343 --> 00:03:39,678 He's a really good suspect, though. 74 00:03:39,678 --> 00:03:42,097 And our job is to either rule him out 75 00:03:42,097 --> 00:03:45,350 or prove that it was him. 76 00:03:45,350 --> 00:03:48,353 [projector whirring] 77 00:03:50,021 --> 00:03:51,356 [click] 78 00:03:51,356 --> 00:03:58,363 ♪ ♪ 79 00:04:01,533 --> 00:04:03,452 [click] 80 00:04:03,452 --> 00:04:10,459 ♪ ♪ 81 00:04:49,873 --> 00:04:52,834 [soft tense music] 82 00:04:52,834 --> 00:04:59,841 ♪ ♪ 83 00:05:21,655 --> 00:05:24,282 [projector whirrs, clicks] 84 00:05:28,787 --> 00:05:30,914 BRAD: So we know Melissa was hit in the head. 85 00:05:30,914 --> 00:05:34,084 The medical examiner said it was something that was-- 86 00:05:34,084 --> 00:05:36,378 could render her unconscious, 87 00:05:36,378 --> 00:05:38,338 but it was not enough of a blow 88 00:05:38,338 --> 00:05:40,382 that could be the cause of death. 89 00:05:40,382 --> 00:05:43,051 So that tells me, about the crime scene, 90 00:05:43,051 --> 00:05:45,595 that she was struck and then, I believe, 91 00:05:45,595 --> 00:05:47,389 carried through the parking lot. 92 00:05:47,389 --> 00:05:50,600 And that's why the blood spots are so spread out. 93 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,770 But the longer she was carried to the parking lot, 94 00:05:53,770 --> 00:05:57,190 you get the larger blood spots towards the, uh-- 95 00:05:57,190 --> 00:05:59,776 towards the back of the parking lot. 96 00:05:59,776 --> 00:06:01,736 The way the attack happened-- this could have been 97 00:06:01,736 --> 00:06:04,614 a random person sitting in the parking lot 98 00:06:04,614 --> 00:06:06,908 that saw her and, you know, acted immediately. 99 00:06:06,908 --> 00:06:10,036 This could have been someone that she knew 100 00:06:10,036 --> 00:06:11,663 and had an argument with. 101 00:06:11,663 --> 00:06:14,583 We know that there was a man and a woman in the parking lot 102 00:06:14,583 --> 00:06:17,711 and a verbal disagreement that caused alarm 103 00:06:17,711 --> 00:06:19,754 to the 11-year-old that went outside. 104 00:06:19,754 --> 00:06:21,923 So if I was to speculate, 105 00:06:21,923 --> 00:06:24,968 I would say that Melissa got into an argument with someone 106 00:06:24,968 --> 00:06:26,469 that she knew. 107 00:06:26,469 --> 00:06:28,972 And she turned to go towards the bowling alley, 108 00:06:28,972 --> 00:06:31,516 and she was hit in the head. 109 00:06:31,516 --> 00:06:32,976 PARKINSON: So during the investigation, 110 00:06:32,976 --> 00:06:37,606 detectives go to Missy's home. 111 00:06:37,606 --> 00:06:39,232 And when they're at their home, 112 00:06:39,232 --> 00:06:41,359 they're going to collect items that may help with the case. 113 00:06:41,359 --> 00:06:45,447 One item that detectives did take was a diary. 114 00:06:45,447 --> 00:06:48,491 BRAD: The last entry was a week or two before 115 00:06:48,491 --> 00:06:50,076 she had actually went missing. 116 00:06:50,076 --> 00:06:53,663 Inside the diary, you know, she laid out just about everything 117 00:06:53,663 --> 00:06:57,917 she--her friends, every activity she had done. 118 00:06:57,917 --> 00:07:01,046 And Melissa seemed like she was a very outgoing person. 119 00:07:01,046 --> 00:07:04,549 There was nothing to indicate any kind of 120 00:07:04,549 --> 00:07:08,219 drug activity or alcohol activity, anything like that. 121 00:07:08,219 --> 00:07:10,430 She just seemed like she was a-- 122 00:07:10,430 --> 00:07:12,390 just a very young-- 123 00:07:12,390 --> 00:07:16,269 I'd say love-stricken teenager. 124 00:07:16,269 --> 00:07:18,980 - Looking at some of the people in the investigation, 125 00:07:18,980 --> 00:07:23,818 such as Charles Ray Vines, Travis Crouch, 126 00:07:23,818 --> 00:07:27,030 their MOs were outliers. 127 00:07:27,030 --> 00:07:28,531 They were different. 128 00:07:28,531 --> 00:07:32,869 You start looking at, who knew Missy? 129 00:07:32,869 --> 00:07:35,914 Statistics show that something like this 130 00:07:35,914 --> 00:07:37,374 is going to be most likely someone 131 00:07:37,374 --> 00:07:39,167 that she was associated with. 132 00:07:39,167 --> 00:07:46,174 ♪ ♪ 133 00:07:49,511 --> 00:07:53,431 - Any type of case you work, the victim's statement is 134 00:07:53,431 --> 00:07:55,058 the best thing that you have. 135 00:07:55,058 --> 00:07:57,102 I mean, what they experienced, how they experienced it. 136 00:07:57,102 --> 00:08:00,105 And that was exactly what finding the diary was like. 137 00:08:00,105 --> 00:08:03,358 You have her day-to-day life in her own words. 138 00:08:03,358 --> 00:08:07,404 She references boyfriends, friends, going to parties, 139 00:08:07,404 --> 00:08:10,740 people that have said ill things about her, 140 00:08:10,740 --> 00:08:12,200 people she doesn't like. 141 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,327 Melissa was very meticulous in the way 142 00:08:14,327 --> 00:08:17,080 that she wrote things and described things. 143 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,875 I mean, you could almost feel her excitement in her words. 144 00:08:20,875 --> 00:08:24,671 - As we're searching all the documents, what was done, 145 00:08:24,671 --> 00:08:26,965 what do we want to do, what do we still need to do. 146 00:08:26,965 --> 00:08:32,887 ♪ ♪ 147 00:08:32,887 --> 00:08:34,931 We know Missy was bleeding 148 00:08:34,931 --> 00:08:36,266 in the parking lot of Bowling World. 149 00:08:36,266 --> 00:08:37,600 We found blood. 150 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,519 So we assume that the bleeding will 151 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:42,647 continue on into the vehicle she was placed in. 152 00:08:42,647 --> 00:08:44,399 As the investigation is ongoing, 153 00:08:44,399 --> 00:08:46,985 you know, multiple vehicles are being searched. 154 00:08:46,985 --> 00:08:48,528 Trying to rule people out. 155 00:08:48,528 --> 00:08:49,863 If you do find blood, then we're going 156 00:08:49,863 --> 00:08:51,614 to want to have it analyzed. 157 00:08:51,614 --> 00:08:56,161 So that's something that we are, you know, hoping to find, 158 00:08:56,161 --> 00:08:58,204 rule out, look at. 159 00:08:58,204 --> 00:09:01,249 As part of the investigation, we look at phone records. 160 00:09:01,249 --> 00:09:04,711 So we pull up the phone records for her house. 161 00:09:04,711 --> 00:09:08,256 We look at the phone number and the date and time, 162 00:09:08,256 --> 00:09:10,633 and then we go and look at the diary. 163 00:09:10,633 --> 00:09:16,389 And surely, you know, right there is a document 164 00:09:16,389 --> 00:09:18,391 in Missy's own words 165 00:09:18,391 --> 00:09:20,143 about what was discussed on the phone call, 166 00:09:20,143 --> 00:09:23,688 how she felt about the phone call, who she spoke with. 167 00:09:23,688 --> 00:09:27,442 So it's basically Missy talking to us. 168 00:09:27,442 --> 00:09:31,780 And, you know, we got the date and time of the phone call, 169 00:09:31,780 --> 00:09:36,367 and then we have how Missy felt about that phone call 170 00:09:36,367 --> 00:09:38,578 and what she wanted to tell us. 171 00:09:38,578 --> 00:09:40,580 So it's real nice to have that, 172 00:09:40,580 --> 00:09:42,624 where we can make that connection. 173 00:09:42,624 --> 00:09:44,834 This is who she spoke to, 174 00:09:44,834 --> 00:09:47,253 and this is how the conversation went. 175 00:09:47,253 --> 00:09:50,173 BRAD: My goal at that point is to find out as much as I can, 176 00:09:50,173 --> 00:09:53,343 try to interview friends, family, just to build a profile 177 00:09:53,343 --> 00:09:55,386 and see what other people's interactions, 178 00:09:55,386 --> 00:09:57,806 other relationships, what those were like. 179 00:09:57,806 --> 00:10:04,813 ♪ ♪ 180 00:10:15,490 --> 00:10:22,497 ♪ ♪ 181 00:10:24,541 --> 00:10:27,544 DETECTIVE: Baker, you got some updates on Crouch on CODIS? 182 00:10:27,544 --> 00:10:29,212 JAY: Yeah. Yeah. 183 00:10:29,212 --> 00:10:31,339 We'd noticed in his IIIs that there was an entry that said, 184 00:10:31,339 --> 00:10:32,590 no CODIS entry made. 185 00:10:32,590 --> 00:10:33,967 Collect DNA. 186 00:10:33,967 --> 00:10:36,511 So that was a little alarming. 187 00:10:36,511 --> 00:10:38,638 Contacted the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, 188 00:10:38,638 --> 00:10:41,516 and they said, on their end, yes, there is one, 189 00:10:41,516 --> 00:10:43,935 and it's constantly being searched. 190 00:10:43,935 --> 00:10:46,354 I still wasn't real comfortable with that, given the IIIs. 191 00:10:46,354 --> 00:10:48,439 So Arkansas State crime lab-- 192 00:10:48,439 --> 00:10:51,276 Miranda Crawford's also checking that. 193 00:10:51,276 --> 00:10:54,404 She said in her findings, the same thing. 194 00:10:54,404 --> 00:10:56,239 She's going to go a little more in depth 195 00:10:56,239 --> 00:10:58,533 into the cigarette butt and the evidence that they're aware of 196 00:10:58,533 --> 00:11:01,327 and the partial off the cigarette butt up there, 197 00:11:01,327 --> 00:11:03,913 and see if--she said there's been no hit on it. 198 00:11:03,913 --> 00:11:05,498 But she's going to make sure it's 199 00:11:05,498 --> 00:11:08,585 being processed in such a way that if it's there, 200 00:11:08,585 --> 00:11:10,712 they'll find it, so-- 201 00:11:10,712 --> 00:11:12,964 The family--his family said 202 00:11:12,964 --> 00:11:16,342 he--he was not in the area in this time. 203 00:11:16,342 --> 00:11:19,596 There's a lady named Glenda who lives in that area. 204 00:11:19,596 --> 00:11:22,223 And she came forward and said he absolutely 205 00:11:22,223 --> 00:11:24,058 was in this area at that time. 206 00:11:24,058 --> 00:11:25,768 She remembered, for sure, that it was Travis. 207 00:11:25,768 --> 00:11:28,438 She remembered for sure that Travis was in his mama's car. 208 00:11:28,438 --> 00:11:32,233 And it would have been six to eight weeks after Labor Day, 209 00:11:32,233 --> 00:11:37,030 putting us somewhere in November that Travis 210 00:11:37,030 --> 00:11:39,490 was absolutely in this area. 211 00:11:39,490 --> 00:11:42,952 Miss Glenda is still locked in on that. 212 00:11:42,952 --> 00:11:47,707 She is in a difficult position because she is still very good 213 00:11:47,707 --> 00:11:51,044 friends with Travis's parents. 214 00:11:51,044 --> 00:11:54,130 She said maybe they just misremember the dates. 215 00:11:54,130 --> 00:11:57,467 She doesn't think they're doing it intentionally. 216 00:11:57,467 --> 00:12:00,053 She made an interesting comment to us. 217 00:12:00,053 --> 00:12:01,930 Because as soon as we walked in, she said, 218 00:12:01,930 --> 00:12:03,890 you're here about Melissa and Travis, aren't you? 219 00:12:03,890 --> 00:12:06,142 And we said, yeah. We want to visit with you. 220 00:12:06,142 --> 00:12:08,853 She said, well, I can tell you this. 221 00:12:08,853 --> 00:12:10,438 Travis didn't kill her. 222 00:12:10,438 --> 00:12:11,731 Travis wasn't a killer. 223 00:12:11,731 --> 00:12:13,691 He was only a rapist. 224 00:12:13,691 --> 00:12:15,735 So we just kind of filed that back, 225 00:12:15,735 --> 00:12:18,571 knowing the behavioral patterns of serial rapist 226 00:12:18,571 --> 00:12:21,115 and the affinity for violence. 227 00:12:21,115 --> 00:12:23,868 So we didn't dig into that with Ms. Glenda. 228 00:12:23,868 --> 00:12:26,162 I wasn't trying to run his name into the dirt with her. 229 00:12:26,162 --> 00:12:28,957 I just wanted to corroborate with her 230 00:12:28,957 --> 00:12:32,961 that he was in this area in that general timeframe. 231 00:12:32,961 --> 00:12:34,671 And we were able to. 232 00:12:34,671 --> 00:12:40,301 His ex-wife stated that every time he got out of jail, 233 00:12:40,301 --> 00:12:42,095 he always went back to his dad's. 234 00:12:42,095 --> 00:12:45,264 We know, for sure, New Orleans PD ran him in NCIC 235 00:12:45,264 --> 00:12:46,891 on January 3 of '95. 236 00:12:46,891 --> 00:12:49,644 So we've got a firmly established line. 237 00:12:49,644 --> 00:12:51,270 We've got a north-to-south travel line 238 00:12:51,270 --> 00:12:54,440 from Minneapolis to New Orleans that logically 239 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,360 would include our area. 240 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,570 If Travis Crouch is the suspect, 241 00:12:59,570 --> 00:13:02,240 whatever vehicle he used to transport 242 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,409 Melissa will have blood in it because 243 00:13:04,409 --> 00:13:06,035 we know it was a bloody scene. 244 00:13:06,035 --> 00:13:07,870 We know that when she got in that car, 245 00:13:07,870 --> 00:13:09,330 she didn't suddenly stop bleeding. 246 00:13:09,330 --> 00:13:13,543 So if we can ever find a vehicle 247 00:13:13,543 --> 00:13:18,715 that has her blood, especially if it's connected to him-- 248 00:13:18,715 --> 00:13:21,467 but even if it's one of these other gentlemen-- 249 00:13:21,467 --> 00:13:24,679 these other men that we're looking at-- 250 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,514 then that's rock-solid evidence 251 00:13:26,514 --> 00:13:27,849 that she was in that car. 252 00:13:27,849 --> 00:13:29,434 But I think it's worth our while 253 00:13:29,434 --> 00:13:31,644 to look into the other cars, see if we can find 254 00:13:31,644 --> 00:13:33,187 some other vehicles, belong to the family, 255 00:13:33,187 --> 00:13:37,358 see if we can track them down and perhaps run those as well. 256 00:13:37,358 --> 00:13:41,112 And maybe he was driving something different that day. 257 00:13:43,573 --> 00:13:45,199 PARKINSON: You know, you have this 258 00:13:45,199 --> 00:13:47,035 beautiful young woman that 259 00:13:47,035 --> 00:13:50,872 was abducted and murdered, and then her body dumped 260 00:13:50,872 --> 00:13:54,792 out here in the National Forest, 261 00:13:54,792 --> 00:13:58,129 and, you know, stripped nude. 262 00:13:58,129 --> 00:14:02,675 I mean, just-- it's not right 263 00:14:02,675 --> 00:14:04,802 not to be able to figure out who did this to her 264 00:14:04,802 --> 00:14:06,387 and bring them to justice. 265 00:14:06,387 --> 00:14:09,182 Even though, like you said, her parents are gone, 266 00:14:09,182 --> 00:14:11,642 I think the community demands that, 267 00:14:11,642 --> 00:14:15,188 and that's what they expect from, you know, 268 00:14:15,188 --> 00:14:16,773 the police department. 269 00:14:16,773 --> 00:14:19,317 It's not about pointing fingers or, you know, 270 00:14:19,317 --> 00:14:23,446 did you do a good job, did you not do a good job. 271 00:14:23,446 --> 00:14:25,865 Trying to find something-- something to grasp 272 00:14:25,865 --> 00:14:28,785 and identify who did this. 273 00:14:28,785 --> 00:14:32,080 And even if that person is no longer here, 274 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,500 at least we could wrap it up and, you know, 275 00:14:35,500 --> 00:14:41,255 say, without a doubt, this is the person that did it. 276 00:14:41,255 --> 00:14:43,883 I mean, just--to me, you abduct her, 277 00:14:43,883 --> 00:14:45,927 knock her over the head, fight with her, whatever, 278 00:14:45,927 --> 00:14:49,722 in the parking lot, and then drive all the way up-- 279 00:14:49,722 --> 00:14:51,349 I mean, we're not even on the logging road yet. 280 00:14:51,349 --> 00:14:52,934 - We're not even there. Yeah. 281 00:14:52,934 --> 00:14:54,811 - And it happens at night. 282 00:14:54,811 --> 00:14:56,270 It's pitch black out here. 283 00:14:56,270 --> 00:14:57,939 - Yeah. 284 00:14:57,939 --> 00:15:00,525 I mean, there's 1,000 places he could have dumped her. 285 00:15:00,525 --> 00:15:02,318 It's just hard to fathom he randomly 286 00:15:02,318 --> 00:15:04,529 ended up on a logging road. 287 00:15:04,529 --> 00:15:07,490 - Yeah, because the store and the campground 288 00:15:07,490 --> 00:15:10,660 was on the aerial maps. 289 00:15:10,660 --> 00:15:12,912 We're still here, so... 290 00:15:12,912 --> 00:15:14,455 - But then you got the campground, 291 00:15:14,455 --> 00:15:16,040 which puts Travis Crouch in the area, 292 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:17,834 and then you got the cemetery. 293 00:15:17,834 --> 00:15:20,044 - And the lady that puts him in the area worked at that store 294 00:15:20,044 --> 00:15:21,462 right there. 295 00:15:21,462 --> 00:15:22,839 That's where she said she saw him. 296 00:15:22,839 --> 00:15:24,715 And she still holds that to this day, 297 00:15:24,715 --> 00:15:26,467 even though she doesn't think he did it. 298 00:15:26,467 --> 00:15:29,011 She's friends with his parents. 299 00:15:29,011 --> 00:15:32,306 She absolutely holds that he was right there, 300 00:15:32,306 --> 00:15:33,891 picking up those puppies-- 301 00:15:33,891 --> 00:15:38,646 picking up a puppy in his mama's car 302 00:15:38,646 --> 00:15:41,190 in the time he says he wasn't here. 303 00:15:41,190 --> 00:15:43,025 - And then you got Charles Ray Vines 304 00:15:43,025 --> 00:15:46,821 that had a work order for digging the cemetery 305 00:15:46,821 --> 00:15:49,073 even closer to the logging road. 306 00:15:49,073 --> 00:15:50,241 So-- 307 00:15:50,241 --> 00:15:52,952 - Well, we'll get on up there. 308 00:15:52,952 --> 00:15:54,787 We got a lot to do. 309 00:15:54,787 --> 00:15:57,748 When I think about it, 310 00:15:57,748 --> 00:16:03,671 I mean, we are already quite a distance away from 40. 311 00:16:03,671 --> 00:16:06,215 And the windy roads, coming up here 312 00:16:06,215 --> 00:16:08,801 in the middle of the night, how dark it would be-- 313 00:16:08,801 --> 00:16:10,845 like you said, he definitely have to be familiar. 314 00:16:10,845 --> 00:16:13,347 And this is just on the highway. 315 00:16:13,347 --> 00:16:16,559 You know, we're not even on the logging road yet. 316 00:16:16,559 --> 00:16:20,730 So that adds another whole layer of someone 317 00:16:20,730 --> 00:16:22,440 has to be familiar with the area 318 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,483 to get all the way up there. 319 00:16:24,483 --> 00:16:25,818 I don't know. 320 00:16:25,818 --> 00:16:28,946 I keep going back to Crouch or-- 321 00:16:28,946 --> 00:16:30,239 I don't know. 322 00:16:30,239 --> 00:16:34,535 I just--it's so fucking far out here. 323 00:16:34,535 --> 00:16:37,788 I mean, look at this, going... 324 00:16:40,333 --> 00:16:47,298 ♪ ♪ 325 00:16:53,304 --> 00:16:54,805 - Kind of spooky how that big rock 326 00:16:54,805 --> 00:16:57,391 almost looks like a headstone. 327 00:16:57,391 --> 00:17:04,440 ♪ ♪ 328 00:17:21,082 --> 00:17:23,042 - So when you're examining a cold case, 329 00:17:23,042 --> 00:17:24,543 and you want to look at the evidence, 330 00:17:24,543 --> 00:17:26,295 you're going to pull all this evidence out 331 00:17:26,295 --> 00:17:28,839 so you can determine what evidence 332 00:17:28,839 --> 00:17:32,426 is best and will give you the best luck of getting 333 00:17:32,426 --> 00:17:34,470 a return on DNA, say. 334 00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:38,182 DNA has made leaps and bounds, advances, 335 00:17:38,182 --> 00:17:40,518 and they can do a lot more now than they could 336 00:17:40,518 --> 00:17:44,063 back in 1995, 2000. 337 00:17:46,315 --> 00:17:50,486 When we're looking at new procedures and the advancement 338 00:17:50,486 --> 00:17:54,490 in technology, we really want to look at possibly submitting 339 00:17:54,490 --> 00:17:57,743 almost everything again, and private labs 340 00:17:57,743 --> 00:18:01,497 as well, who may have a better technology 341 00:18:01,497 --> 00:18:04,834 than your state crime lab. 342 00:18:04,834 --> 00:18:07,795 [soft tense music] 343 00:18:07,795 --> 00:18:14,802 ♪ ♪ 344 00:18:18,306 --> 00:18:21,309 DANNY: One of the first questions I had is, 345 00:18:21,309 --> 00:18:23,144 um, the nail clippings. 346 00:18:23,144 --> 00:18:25,146 I know the ME took those, 347 00:18:25,146 --> 00:18:27,982 like, when you did the autopsy. 348 00:18:27,982 --> 00:18:29,608 But I haven't found-- 349 00:18:29,608 --> 00:18:31,527 I know you sent me something on the nail clippings, 350 00:18:31,527 --> 00:18:33,571 but it said it was, like, being retained, 351 00:18:33,571 --> 00:18:36,574 that it hasn't been tested. 352 00:18:52,173 --> 00:18:53,341 BRAD: I got you on speaker. 353 00:18:53,341 --> 00:18:55,009 But no, I was just calling earlier. 354 00:18:55,009 --> 00:18:57,762 We were fixing to go into a meeting with the crime lab. 355 00:18:57,762 --> 00:19:00,598 And we had a list of questions and stuff, 356 00:19:00,598 --> 00:19:02,975 and we wanted to make sure we didn't miss anything. 357 00:19:02,975 --> 00:19:04,935 It's pretty exciting. So-- 358 00:19:04,935 --> 00:19:07,021 JAY: Yeah. 359 00:19:07,021 --> 00:19:09,982 - The--they said, from their end, what they can tell-- 360 00:19:09,982 --> 00:19:13,778 the fingernail clippings have never been tested. 361 00:19:13,778 --> 00:19:15,488 JAY: Ooh, that is exciting. 362 00:19:15,488 --> 00:19:17,448 - So that's pretty awesome. 363 00:19:17,448 --> 00:19:19,116 So-- 364 00:19:19,116 --> 00:19:21,035 JAY: Yeah. 365 00:19:21,035 --> 00:19:22,870 - They've got them there, 366 00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:24,789 so they're fixing to start testing them. 367 00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:27,208 They said it could be anywhere from three to six months, 368 00:19:27,208 --> 00:19:31,754 but just depending on if they can get people 369 00:19:31,754 --> 00:19:34,048 moved to the cold case stuff. 370 00:19:34,048 --> 00:19:35,883 And then, like, the blood droplets-- 371 00:19:35,883 --> 00:19:39,220 you know, we talked about, like, did they test each one, 372 00:19:39,220 --> 00:19:40,763 or did it-- 373 00:19:40,763 --> 00:19:44,058 you know, they just test one or two spots? 374 00:19:44,058 --> 00:19:46,352 And they said most likely it was the one or two spots, 375 00:19:46,352 --> 00:19:48,312 but they were going to go back, 376 00:19:48,312 --> 00:19:50,940 and they would retest all of them. 377 00:19:50,940 --> 00:19:52,900 JAY: OK. 378 00:19:52,900 --> 00:19:54,568 - Pretty exciting. So-- 379 00:19:54,568 --> 00:19:56,529 JAY: Dude, that fingernail thing--that is exciting. 380 00:19:56,529 --> 00:19:58,489 Oh, my gosh. 381 00:19:58,489 --> 00:19:59,657 - Hopefully-- 382 00:19:59,657 --> 00:20:01,283 JAY: You know, that could be-- 383 00:20:01,283 --> 00:20:03,202 I mean, that has the potential to be a huge breakthrough. 384 00:20:03,202 --> 00:20:06,205 We'll see. 385 00:20:06,205 --> 00:20:09,125 It seems like that's our best potential right now. 386 00:20:09,125 --> 00:20:11,961 - Right. Yeah, I agree. 387 00:20:14,171 --> 00:20:15,881 The whole purpose of the Cold Case group 388 00:20:15,881 --> 00:20:18,384 is to overlook and see what could have been missed 389 00:20:18,384 --> 00:20:19,885 and what can be re-approached. 390 00:20:19,885 --> 00:20:21,679 And now we're doing that, and we're actually 391 00:20:21,679 --> 00:20:26,475 getting solutions and finding key pieces that could have 392 00:20:26,475 --> 00:20:28,102 slipped through the cracks. 393 00:20:28,102 --> 00:20:32,148 I want to push to get this done because, I mean, this is, 394 00:20:32,148 --> 00:20:33,983 like I said, it's one of those things 395 00:20:33,983 --> 00:20:35,734 that you never thought you'd be part of, 396 00:20:35,734 --> 00:20:37,319 and you're doing it. 397 00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:39,822 And to feel like you're making headway and getting close 398 00:20:39,822 --> 00:20:43,993 to something, it's pretty-- 399 00:20:43,993 --> 00:20:46,328 I mean, I can't even describe it. 400 00:20:46,328 --> 00:20:49,415 - You know, they see, OK, we've got 10 blood spots. 401 00:20:49,415 --> 00:20:50,916 Let's test four of them. 402 00:20:50,916 --> 00:20:52,460 Four of them show to be the victim. 403 00:20:52,460 --> 00:20:54,336 OK, we believe that all to be the victim. 404 00:20:54,336 --> 00:20:56,589 I mean, that's a very good educated guess. 405 00:20:56,589 --> 00:20:59,508 You know, and in that time, in that moment, 406 00:20:59,508 --> 00:21:01,844 maybe that's sufficient enough at the time. 407 00:21:01,844 --> 00:21:03,721 But when you get down to a case such as this, 408 00:21:03,721 --> 00:21:08,517 where it's nitty gritty, like, every blood spot matters. 409 00:21:08,517 --> 00:21:11,979 Every piece of DNA matters because you're 410 00:21:11,979 --> 00:21:16,692 looking for that game-changing piece that could put everything 411 00:21:16,692 --> 00:21:18,360 that we have together. 412 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:20,362 You know, that's why you have to have these follow up 413 00:21:20,362 --> 00:21:22,114 meetings and explain to the crime lab, hey, 414 00:21:22,114 --> 00:21:23,324 we need to revisit this. 415 00:21:23,324 --> 00:21:24,617 We need to resubmit everything. 416 00:21:24,617 --> 00:21:26,494 We need to figure out what's been tested, 417 00:21:26,494 --> 00:21:29,413 what's not been tested so we can make sure it's all tested. 418 00:21:29,413 --> 00:21:31,290 That way, nothing's missed. 419 00:21:31,290 --> 00:21:35,377 BRAD: Now, Melissa was found in January. 420 00:21:35,377 --> 00:21:38,172 And five to six months later, 421 00:21:38,172 --> 00:21:39,673 you had the Morgan Nick case come up. 422 00:21:39,673 --> 00:21:44,845 So you've got the insane amount of evidence 423 00:21:44,845 --> 00:21:46,972 being sent from our case. 424 00:21:46,972 --> 00:21:49,350 Then you turn around, and you know, 425 00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:52,895 they're still sending stuff, I'm sure, 426 00:21:52,895 --> 00:21:54,855 on that case and constantly following up with me and check. 427 00:21:54,855 --> 00:21:57,441 There's no telling how many pieces of evidence 428 00:21:57,441 --> 00:21:59,318 they had sent in that case. 429 00:21:59,318 --> 00:22:00,820 - I think that's what makes this 430 00:22:00,820 --> 00:22:03,030 a crucial time now is that we are finding out 431 00:22:03,030 --> 00:22:04,615 that some didn't get tested. 432 00:22:04,615 --> 00:22:07,493 Let's test it now and see what it does to open-- 433 00:22:07,493 --> 00:22:09,620 open up this case. 434 00:22:09,620 --> 00:22:13,040 - Have I told you the story, when Morgan was actually taken, 435 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,461 that I was playing the Little League game the night 436 00:22:17,461 --> 00:22:19,296 that she had gotten taken? 437 00:22:19,296 --> 00:22:25,719 ♪ ♪ 438 00:22:25,719 --> 00:22:27,054 I'll never forget. 439 00:22:27,054 --> 00:22:28,347 My mom just like, stand right here. 440 00:22:28,347 --> 00:22:29,932 Do not move. 441 00:22:29,932 --> 00:22:32,810 And I was not to leave her side. 442 00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:35,229 And I remember everybody kind of-- 443 00:22:35,229 --> 00:22:36,647 it's hazy. 444 00:22:36,647 --> 00:22:38,524 But I remember, like, people in a panic. 445 00:22:38,524 --> 00:22:40,276 You could just tell that something was wrong. 446 00:22:40,276 --> 00:22:42,570 There wasn't any celebrating after the game. 447 00:22:42,570 --> 00:22:44,655 There was--everybody was getting in their cars 448 00:22:44,655 --> 00:22:46,156 and leaving. 449 00:22:46,156 --> 00:22:47,908 And I remember a lot of police officers being there, 450 00:22:47,908 --> 00:22:49,201 but you didn't really-- 451 00:22:49,201 --> 00:22:51,203 it wasn't until probably the next day 452 00:22:51,203 --> 00:22:52,788 that it started hitting home and you 453 00:22:52,788 --> 00:22:55,457 started hearing everything that actually had taken place. 454 00:22:55,457 --> 00:22:57,251 Back then, nobody really had cameras, 455 00:22:57,251 --> 00:22:59,128 and it was just a rare thing. 456 00:22:59,128 --> 00:23:02,464 But my mom had gotten a video camera and had taken it to film 457 00:23:02,464 --> 00:23:03,966 our last game. 458 00:23:03,966 --> 00:23:08,888 And so the tape was turned over to the police and-- 459 00:23:08,888 --> 00:23:15,894 ♪ ♪ 460 00:23:18,856 --> 00:23:22,151 That's the last time that Morgan was seen, 461 00:23:22,151 --> 00:23:24,194 in the background of that video. 462 00:23:24,194 --> 00:23:26,822 - I guess I didn't realize that your mom's was-- 463 00:23:26,822 --> 00:23:29,408 it actually had her in the background. 464 00:23:29,408 --> 00:23:31,327 - But it also makes you think-- 465 00:23:31,327 --> 00:23:32,870 look at the Witt case-- 466 00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:36,498 you know, I said earlier, that can't happen to me. 467 00:23:36,498 --> 00:23:37,833 And that happened. 468 00:23:37,833 --> 00:23:39,376 And now here we are working it. 469 00:23:39,376 --> 00:23:42,838 And I mean, you just got to-- 470 00:23:42,838 --> 00:23:46,508 it's wild how everything falls in line. 471 00:23:46,508 --> 00:23:48,552 ♪ ♪ 472 00:23:54,475 --> 00:23:57,061 [soft tense music] 473 00:23:57,061 --> 00:23:59,396 ♪ ♪ 474 00:23:59,396 --> 00:24:00,856 ALLEN: So Fort Smith PD has worked with-- 475 00:24:00,856 --> 00:24:03,108 is working with the state crime lab 476 00:24:03,108 --> 00:24:06,487 to get the fingernail clippings sent to a private lab. 477 00:24:06,487 --> 00:24:08,530 And that's that lab in Florida. 478 00:24:08,530 --> 00:24:13,369 And so the goal is, uh, 479 00:24:13,369 --> 00:24:17,456 to fully test the fingernails for the touch DNA. 480 00:24:17,456 --> 00:24:20,042 So they're going to use that private lab. 481 00:24:20,042 --> 00:24:23,003 And that private lab's-- you know, it's got the-- 482 00:24:23,003 --> 00:24:27,549 the reputation of handling touch DNA as their forte. 483 00:24:27,549 --> 00:24:32,346 And then the other thing was the culmination 484 00:24:32,346 --> 00:24:36,225 of everyone's work is that three of the blood spots 485 00:24:36,225 --> 00:24:39,103 were confirmed tested, but not all of them. 486 00:24:39,103 --> 00:24:40,521 - Gotcha. 487 00:24:40,521 --> 00:24:42,856 - And so the state crime lab is going to-- 488 00:24:42,856 --> 00:24:44,483 they have the blood samples. 489 00:24:44,483 --> 00:24:46,860 They're going to retest all of them, 490 00:24:46,860 --> 00:24:49,279 the three that have been tested 491 00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:51,824 and the seven or eight that have not been. 492 00:24:51,824 --> 00:24:54,159 Any one of those blood spots-- 493 00:24:54,159 --> 00:24:58,539 if she had struggled enough to cause him to bleed any-- 494 00:24:58,539 --> 00:25:02,710 that if any of those spots could be our suspect, 495 00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:04,461 then we would-- 496 00:25:04,461 --> 00:25:05,963 the only way to know is to have them all tested. 497 00:25:05,963 --> 00:25:07,673 - Right. - So that should be 498 00:25:07,673 --> 00:25:10,467 in the works now, to get all the blood spots tested. 499 00:25:10,467 --> 00:25:16,724 ♪ ♪ 500 00:25:16,724 --> 00:25:18,183 Admittedly, in the back of our minds, 501 00:25:18,183 --> 00:25:19,768 we're going to be waiting for that answer, 502 00:25:19,768 --> 00:25:23,605 waiting for that lab result, and guardedly hopeful 503 00:25:23,605 --> 00:25:26,442 that it gives us something that we can act on. 504 00:25:26,442 --> 00:25:30,154 - It's often not like what it appears in TV shows and movies 505 00:25:30,154 --> 00:25:32,239 and things of that nature. 506 00:25:32,239 --> 00:25:33,615 A negative answer is still an answer. 507 00:25:33,615 --> 00:25:36,618 So if, for some reason, we get results back 508 00:25:36,618 --> 00:25:39,204 that say it's not this, well, that just gives me motivation 509 00:25:39,204 --> 00:25:43,125 to keep pushing forward to get some answers 510 00:25:43,125 --> 00:25:44,918 for something to get a positive result. 511 00:25:44,918 --> 00:25:47,713 So I'm hopeful, but at the same time, 512 00:25:47,713 --> 00:25:51,383 I'm realistic and understanding that not every result 513 00:25:51,383 --> 00:25:53,093 is going to be positive. 514 00:25:53,093 --> 00:25:55,387 But that gives me the motivation to keep trying 515 00:25:55,387 --> 00:25:57,389 to look for the right answer. 516 00:25:57,389 --> 00:25:59,600 ALLEN: The hope would be that there's some form 517 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,187 of suspect DNA that can be found 518 00:26:03,187 --> 00:26:05,814 with her fingernail clippings. 519 00:26:05,814 --> 00:26:10,402 ♪ ♪ 520 00:26:12,571 --> 00:26:15,574 [keyboard clacking] 521 00:26:16,533 --> 00:26:19,578 [line ringing] 522 00:26:22,706 --> 00:26:24,208 CHRISTINE: DNA Labs International. 523 00:26:24,208 --> 00:26:25,584 This is Christine. 524 00:26:25,584 --> 00:26:26,877 - This is Detective Marion with the Fort Smith 525 00:26:26,877 --> 00:26:28,295 Police Department. 526 00:26:28,295 --> 00:26:29,588 CHRISTINE: OK. Let me see if she's in her office. 527 00:26:29,588 --> 00:26:31,048 Hold on one second. 528 00:26:31,048 --> 00:26:34,384 BRAD: Thank you. 529 00:26:34,384 --> 00:26:37,387 [classical music playing] 530 00:26:37,387 --> 00:26:40,432 ♪ ♪ 531 00:26:40,432 --> 00:26:43,143 It almost hurts to have to sit and wait 532 00:26:43,143 --> 00:26:46,605 because it's something that, you know, has never been done. 533 00:26:46,605 --> 00:26:49,775 And you just can't-- you want the results now. 534 00:26:49,775 --> 00:26:53,112 But once we get it all sent off, 10 to 12 weeks, 535 00:26:53,112 --> 00:26:55,697 I mean, that kind of crushes the excitement 536 00:26:55,697 --> 00:26:57,616 as far as the timeline. 537 00:26:57,616 --> 00:27:00,702 But it's still-- it's just because, 538 00:27:00,702 --> 00:27:05,207 you know, you want it now. 539 00:27:05,207 --> 00:27:07,084 In a case like this, I would think 540 00:27:07,084 --> 00:27:10,963 that the fingernail clippings, in a strangulation case, 541 00:27:10,963 --> 00:27:15,425 are going to be crucial evidence because, you know, 542 00:27:15,425 --> 00:27:18,679 we know that Melissa fought at the bowling alley, 543 00:27:18,679 --> 00:27:22,307 and most likely, she fought when she was being strangled. 544 00:27:22,307 --> 00:27:26,770 And, you know, her fingernails could hold potential evidence 545 00:27:26,770 --> 00:27:29,398 of the--of her killer. 546 00:27:29,398 --> 00:27:33,068 I mean, it's--to me, I think that is a vital, 547 00:27:33,068 --> 00:27:36,405 vital piece of evidence that has never been tested. 548 00:27:36,405 --> 00:27:38,615 And, you know, with all the technology today, 549 00:27:38,615 --> 00:27:40,450 hopefully we can find-- 550 00:27:40,450 --> 00:27:43,620 find some good answers with it. 551 00:27:43,620 --> 00:27:49,376 ♪ ♪ 552 00:28:01,471 --> 00:28:04,850 [indistinct chatter] 553 00:28:10,522 --> 00:28:13,150 - Well, there's a lot of weight that 554 00:28:13,150 --> 00:28:14,651 goes into a call like this. 555 00:28:14,651 --> 00:28:17,696 You know, there's hopes, especially with 556 00:28:17,696 --> 00:28:19,531 the community and family members 557 00:28:19,531 --> 00:28:22,284 and the department in general. 558 00:28:22,284 --> 00:28:24,745 We just don't know whether that's 559 00:28:24,745 --> 00:28:27,623 going to be a good phone call or a bad phone call 560 00:28:27,623 --> 00:28:29,124 or inconclusive. 561 00:28:29,124 --> 00:28:31,251 So either way, regardless of the information, 562 00:28:31,251 --> 00:28:34,171 there's still going to be a lot of work to do. 563 00:28:34,171 --> 00:28:37,215 So we're just hoping that we get a good phone call. 564 00:28:37,215 --> 00:28:41,929 [phone ringing] 565 00:28:41,929 --> 00:28:44,348 - Hello. This is Deputy Chief Thompson. 566 00:28:44,348 --> 00:28:45,807 RACHEL: Hi, Deputy Chief Thompson. 567 00:28:45,807 --> 00:28:47,643 This is Rachel from DNA Labs International. 568 00:28:47,643 --> 00:28:49,061 - How are you? - I'm great. 569 00:28:49,061 --> 00:28:50,854 How are you doing this morning? 570 00:28:50,854 --> 00:28:52,272 RACHEL: Good. 571 00:28:52,272 --> 00:28:53,982 I was just calling with some preliminary results 572 00:28:53,982 --> 00:28:55,484 from your case. 573 00:28:55,484 --> 00:28:57,778 So as you know, we had extracts 574 00:28:57,778 --> 00:28:59,237 from the nail clippings, 575 00:28:59,237 --> 00:29:01,156 and then we also tested the nail clippings 576 00:29:01,156 --> 00:29:03,575 using our sponge shell method. 577 00:29:03,575 --> 00:29:07,579 So looking at the extracts, we re-quantified them. 578 00:29:07,579 --> 00:29:09,456 And although there is plenty of DNA 579 00:29:09,456 --> 00:29:12,084 present to move forward with DNA profiling, 580 00:29:12,084 --> 00:29:14,836 there was no male DNA detected. 581 00:29:14,836 --> 00:29:16,672 - OK. 582 00:29:16,672 --> 00:29:19,716 RACHEL: So we also retest them, as I said, 583 00:29:19,716 --> 00:29:21,426 using our sponge shell method. 584 00:29:21,426 --> 00:29:23,178 And again, although there's plenty 585 00:29:23,178 --> 00:29:25,889 of DNA to move forward for DNA profiling, 586 00:29:25,889 --> 00:29:29,851 no male DNA was detected. 587 00:29:29,851 --> 00:29:31,395 I have a question for you guys. 588 00:29:31,395 --> 00:29:33,105 So we do have two options. 589 00:29:33,105 --> 00:29:35,607 We could stop testing at this point, 590 00:29:35,607 --> 00:29:38,944 or we could still move forward with DNA profiling. 591 00:29:38,944 --> 00:29:41,571 We don't necessarily know what happened to Melissa. 592 00:29:41,571 --> 00:29:45,117 So it is possible we could still yield a DNA profile that 593 00:29:45,117 --> 00:29:47,619 could have information, or we could also just 594 00:29:47,619 --> 00:29:49,621 pause at this point and move forward 595 00:29:49,621 --> 00:29:52,207 with some of the other items that we talked about. 596 00:29:52,207 --> 00:29:55,127 - Do we think that the DNA profile could be hers, 597 00:29:55,127 --> 00:29:59,423 or do we think that it's-- is there a way to test that? 598 00:29:59,423 --> 00:30:01,133 RACHEL: It could be just hers. 599 00:30:01,133 --> 00:30:03,844 It could also be her and another female, 600 00:30:03,844 --> 00:30:06,513 or it's also possible that there could be a really 601 00:30:06,513 --> 00:30:08,807 low-level male that's not being picked up 602 00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:10,475 with quantification. 603 00:30:10,475 --> 00:30:12,519 But the only way to be able to detect that 604 00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:15,647 would probably be doing next-generation sequencing, 605 00:30:15,647 --> 00:30:17,190 which is much more sensitive. 606 00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:18,608 - OK. 607 00:30:18,608 --> 00:30:20,193 RACHEL: Do you want us to issue a report 608 00:30:20,193 --> 00:30:22,237 at this time on what we've done so far, 609 00:30:22,237 --> 00:30:23,572 or do you want us to hold off? 610 00:30:23,572 --> 00:30:25,115 - Yeah, if you could issue a report 611 00:30:25,115 --> 00:30:27,034 and send it to us, that way we can look at that. 612 00:30:27,034 --> 00:30:30,162 And then we can discuss it and go from there. 613 00:30:30,162 --> 00:30:31,788 RACHEL: OK, sounds good. Thank you, gentlemen. 614 00:30:31,788 --> 00:30:33,081 Have a good day. 615 00:30:33,081 --> 00:30:36,168 - All right. Thank you. 616 00:30:36,168 --> 00:30:39,004 PARKINSON: Yeah, that's definitely disappointing. 617 00:30:39,004 --> 00:30:41,965 Disappointing news. 618 00:30:41,965 --> 00:30:46,261 But I think bring that report and-- 619 00:30:46,261 --> 00:30:48,472 you know, to the team and discuss 620 00:30:48,472 --> 00:30:50,098 what we want to do from there. 621 00:30:50,098 --> 00:30:53,101 - But we'll just have to look and see how much further 622 00:30:53,101 --> 00:30:54,853 we want to try to go with it. 623 00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:56,354 - Yeah. 624 00:30:59,483 --> 00:31:03,153 I don't think he's going to answer, so... 625 00:31:03,153 --> 00:31:05,822 VOICEMAIL: Your call has been forwarded to voicemail. 626 00:31:05,822 --> 00:31:07,949 - Yeah, no luck. 627 00:31:07,949 --> 00:31:10,577 Brad's on vacation now. 628 00:31:10,577 --> 00:31:15,624 I have to get in touch with him some other time, it looks like. 629 00:31:15,624 --> 00:31:18,585 [somber music] 630 00:31:18,585 --> 00:31:20,504 ♪ ♪ 631 00:31:20,504 --> 00:31:23,507 [indistinct chatter] 632 00:31:26,635 --> 00:31:29,679 REPORTER: I remember interviewing people and people 633 00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:33,308 saying this was such a safe and quiet and friendly community. 634 00:31:33,308 --> 00:31:35,435 This is shocking that something like this 635 00:31:35,435 --> 00:31:37,020 has happened in our town. 636 00:31:37,020 --> 00:31:41,024 And I think that's why the town mobilized like it did. 637 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,822 But as far as violent crime or abductions or anything 638 00:31:46,822 --> 00:31:49,074 like that, I mean, that was not going on 639 00:31:49,074 --> 00:31:52,035 when I was there, you know, in the mid '90s. 640 00:31:52,035 --> 00:31:56,331 It wasn't until this abduction occurred with Melissa Witt 641 00:31:56,331 --> 00:31:59,709 that it just, it shook that community to its core. 642 00:31:59,709 --> 00:32:01,253 INVESTIGATOR: Because when we walked up here, I saw-- 643 00:32:01,253 --> 00:32:02,754 REPORTER: I don't even think there was a, 644 00:32:02,754 --> 00:32:04,798 we've got to find who did this, in the beginning. 645 00:32:04,798 --> 00:32:06,341 It was more like, well, she's got to be somewhere, 646 00:32:06,341 --> 00:32:09,928 and we've got to find her. 647 00:32:09,928 --> 00:32:13,598 ♪ ♪ 648 00:32:13,598 --> 00:32:15,517 PARKINSON: I think Melissa's case 649 00:32:15,517 --> 00:32:17,018 is important to the community. 650 00:32:17,018 --> 00:32:21,523 Someone committed this horrible crime. 651 00:32:21,523 --> 00:32:23,733 Someone needs to be brought to justice. 652 00:32:23,733 --> 00:32:26,528 And even if this person who did this to Missy-- 653 00:32:26,528 --> 00:32:28,905 if they're deceased, we still want 654 00:32:28,905 --> 00:32:31,783 to be able to identify and make sure that nothing like this 655 00:32:31,783 --> 00:32:33,201 could ever happen again. 656 00:32:33,201 --> 00:32:35,078 So I think that's kind of what drives me 657 00:32:35,078 --> 00:32:38,039 and the fellow detectives is you have this cold case 658 00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:41,001 that hasn't been solved, we have plenty of evidence, 659 00:32:41,001 --> 00:32:43,461 And just going back through all that evidence 660 00:32:43,461 --> 00:32:45,964 and statements that were made-- 661 00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:50,427 see if we could find a link or something that wasn't followed 662 00:32:50,427 --> 00:32:53,680 through with all the way and maybe rule out 663 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,683 some of the people that were already investigated, 664 00:32:56,683 --> 00:32:59,936 but kind of left in limbo so we could definitely 665 00:32:59,936 --> 00:33:03,648 cross them off the list. 666 00:33:03,648 --> 00:33:06,234 REPORTER: It's 29 years later, almost 30 years later. 667 00:33:06,234 --> 00:33:08,904 And if there's anything, anything that 668 00:33:08,904 --> 00:33:13,200 covering her story today can do to help bring closure-- 669 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,703 um, you know, unfortunately, Mary Ann has left us. 670 00:33:16,703 --> 00:33:18,872 She's passed away. 671 00:33:18,872 --> 00:33:21,833 And that breaks my heart to think that she passed 672 00:33:21,833 --> 00:33:24,211 never knowing what happened to her daughter, 673 00:33:24,211 --> 00:33:29,090 and that she lived all those years without knowing. 674 00:33:30,842 --> 00:33:35,472 Even the day that they found Melissa's body 675 00:33:35,472 --> 00:33:38,558 and we went to her home and-- 676 00:33:38,558 --> 00:33:40,143 she invited us in. 677 00:33:40,143 --> 00:33:42,270 You know, her friends and family were showing up. 678 00:33:42,270 --> 00:33:43,772 Melissa's friends were there. 679 00:33:43,772 --> 00:33:45,523 She invited us into her home. 680 00:33:45,523 --> 00:33:51,238 And I just said, Mary Ann, take this time for privacy. 681 00:33:51,238 --> 00:33:55,158 We'll report from outside. 682 00:33:55,158 --> 00:33:58,078 You need your--I had so much respect for her 683 00:33:58,078 --> 00:34:00,956 and admiration for her on how she handled 684 00:34:00,956 --> 00:34:03,083 herself through all of this. 685 00:34:03,083 --> 00:34:07,254 And in her memory and honor and Missy's, 686 00:34:07,254 --> 00:34:10,173 if there's anything that we could do to put out there 687 00:34:10,173 --> 00:34:16,388 that could bring either justice or closure to this-- 688 00:34:16,388 --> 00:34:18,431 I guess it would make us feel better. 689 00:34:18,431 --> 00:34:19,724 I know she's with Missy now. 690 00:34:19,724 --> 00:34:21,101 You know, I know they're together. 691 00:34:21,101 --> 00:34:23,103 I know she knows what happened now. 692 00:34:23,103 --> 00:34:25,105 And that's the only thing that honestly brings me 693 00:34:25,105 --> 00:34:27,023 consolation is that-- 694 00:34:27,023 --> 00:34:28,984 is that I know they're together. 695 00:34:28,984 --> 00:34:33,488 ♪ ♪ 696 00:34:33,488 --> 00:34:36,866 ALLEN: There's so much to be--to review, 697 00:34:36,866 --> 00:34:39,577 so much information to go over, 698 00:34:39,577 --> 00:34:41,413 boxes of materials to go through. 699 00:34:41,413 --> 00:34:44,040 One person is easily overwhelmed by that. 700 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,460 But if you get a group of investigators that 701 00:34:47,460 --> 00:34:49,879 are interested and will spend a little bit of time 702 00:34:49,879 --> 00:34:52,841 individually and take a piece of the investigation, 703 00:34:52,841 --> 00:34:56,761 then it's a force multiplier to enhance the ability 704 00:34:56,761 --> 00:34:59,139 of the group to further the investigation, 705 00:34:59,139 --> 00:35:03,435 to maybe get some clarity, eliminate suspects, 706 00:35:03,435 --> 00:35:08,189 hopefully, theoretically, conclude what happened 707 00:35:08,189 --> 00:35:10,483 and, you know, potentially convict someone 708 00:35:10,483 --> 00:35:13,737 or at least close the case. 709 00:35:13,737 --> 00:35:16,531 DETECTIVE: I don't know how guys and gals do this job 710 00:35:16,531 --> 00:35:19,200 without faith as a central element to it because you 711 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,330 could quickly lose your hope, faith in all things. 712 00:35:23,330 --> 00:35:27,125 But you just-- 713 00:35:27,125 --> 00:35:29,377 I've got on the back of my work phone 714 00:35:29,377 --> 00:35:32,005 that from the Gospel of John 715 00:35:32,005 --> 00:35:34,215 just to be a light in the darkness. 716 00:35:34,215 --> 00:35:36,301 Coping with it, it's just a matter of getting in there 717 00:35:36,301 --> 00:35:37,927 and realizing that you've been-- 718 00:35:37,927 --> 00:35:43,350 it's truly an honor to get to do what we do, 719 00:35:43,350 --> 00:35:47,437 to shine light on these situations and to help-- 720 00:35:47,437 --> 00:35:49,814 maybe help deliver people from them and help them 721 00:35:49,814 --> 00:35:52,442 find their way out. 722 00:35:52,442 --> 00:35:54,611 BRAD: From the night that she was taken 723 00:35:54,611 --> 00:35:57,489 and seeing how everything played out in the community, 724 00:35:57,489 --> 00:36:00,408 how it affected the family, how it affected 725 00:36:00,408 --> 00:36:01,993 law enforcement, just-- 726 00:36:01,993 --> 00:36:06,247 and watching that the entire time you're growing up 727 00:36:06,247 --> 00:36:08,333 and then being part of this cold case group 728 00:36:08,333 --> 00:36:12,962 that is on the other end of it working the case, 729 00:36:12,962 --> 00:36:15,507 and seeing all the work that's gone into it-- 730 00:36:15,507 --> 00:36:19,052 I mean, it's very surreal. 731 00:36:19,052 --> 00:36:21,221 DANNY: But then also too, we got to be mindful of, 732 00:36:21,221 --> 00:36:24,015 you know, however many years left 733 00:36:24,015 --> 00:36:27,769 we have in law enforcement, what we do today is extremely 734 00:36:27,769 --> 00:36:31,940 important because if we're not doing it right now, 735 00:36:31,940 --> 00:36:33,483 the right way-- 736 00:36:33,483 --> 00:36:36,361 and say we don't solve the case and it gets passed on 737 00:36:36,361 --> 00:36:38,029 to the next detective, 738 00:36:38,029 --> 00:36:40,490 you know, he's going to look at what we did 739 00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:45,161 and then have to go off of our notes, what we've discovered, 740 00:36:45,161 --> 00:36:49,082 you know, and some day, find a piece that we're missing, 741 00:36:49,082 --> 00:36:52,127 add it to the rest of the case, and solve it. 742 00:36:52,127 --> 00:36:54,087 I mean, everybody plays a part. 743 00:36:54,087 --> 00:36:56,589 So we're hopeful we solve the case 744 00:36:56,589 --> 00:36:58,800 or get a closure on that end. 745 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,803 But if we don't, we're still laying the foundation 746 00:37:01,803 --> 00:37:03,930 or climbing the ladder to whoever 747 00:37:03,930 --> 00:37:07,016 is able to solve that case. 748 00:37:07,016 --> 00:37:09,102 ALLEN: You know, Melissa Witt's case, where, 749 00:37:09,102 --> 00:37:10,937 you know, her family's deceased, 750 00:37:10,937 --> 00:37:12,772 and a person would say, well, 751 00:37:12,772 --> 00:37:14,399 what closure are you giving to anyone? 752 00:37:14,399 --> 00:37:16,317 Well, it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, 753 00:37:16,317 --> 00:37:19,863 because, you know, it's important 754 00:37:19,863 --> 00:37:22,240 to get justice for people. 755 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,034 It's important for-- 756 00:37:25,034 --> 00:37:28,621 it gets to me in a way because I think of-- 757 00:37:28,621 --> 00:37:30,290 and maybe it's wrong, but I think of, like, 758 00:37:30,290 --> 00:37:32,292 Melissa Witt as a-- 759 00:37:32,292 --> 00:37:37,672 she was a 19-year-old girl who did nothing wrong. 760 00:37:37,672 --> 00:37:40,216 And her last hours on this Earth 761 00:37:40,216 --> 00:37:44,262 were probably the most horrific a person can experience. 762 00:37:44,262 --> 00:37:46,890 And that 19-year-old Melissa Witt 763 00:37:46,890 --> 00:37:50,101 deserves justice and deserves our best effort of justice. 764 00:37:50,101 --> 00:37:53,772 Even if we fail, at least we give it our best effort 765 00:37:53,772 --> 00:37:56,357 and do the best we can to get her justice 766 00:37:56,357 --> 00:37:57,984 because that's what she deserved then. 767 00:37:57,984 --> 00:37:59,611 She deserves it now. 768 00:37:59,611 --> 00:38:02,864 You know, any victim of that kind of crime deserves it. 769 00:38:02,864 --> 00:38:04,824 And if you don't have a heart towards that, 770 00:38:04,824 --> 00:38:07,285 then you have no conscience. 771 00:38:07,285 --> 00:38:10,205 [sniffles] 772 00:38:13,833 --> 00:38:17,462 ♪ ♪ 773 00:38:17,462 --> 00:38:19,798 [sirens wailing] 774 00:38:19,798 --> 00:38:22,800 BRAD: It was December, so you never know. 775 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,220 I mean, she could have fought back, 776 00:38:25,220 --> 00:38:28,556 and the killer could have had a long-sleeve jacket on or shirt 777 00:38:28,556 --> 00:38:31,810 or, you know, something like that where 778 00:38:31,810 --> 00:38:33,937 she just was not able to collect that DNA 779 00:38:33,937 --> 00:38:35,939 under her fingernails. 780 00:38:35,939 --> 00:38:37,816 Melissa was unfortunately out in the elements 781 00:38:37,816 --> 00:38:41,903 for several days and exposed to, 782 00:38:41,903 --> 00:38:46,366 you know, the sun, the snow, the cold weather, 783 00:38:46,366 --> 00:38:48,743 things like that, wildlife. 784 00:38:48,743 --> 00:38:50,328 When you put all that into account, 785 00:38:50,328 --> 00:38:53,498 you know, DNA starts to deteriorate rather quickly. 786 00:38:53,498 --> 00:38:57,126 You know, when we get assigned these cases, even new cases, 787 00:38:57,126 --> 00:38:58,836 we become involved in them. 788 00:38:58,836 --> 00:39:02,382 I mean, you meet with these people, you speak with them. 789 00:39:02,382 --> 00:39:03,800 And just like in this case, you know, 790 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,593 we've talked about Melissa's diary 791 00:39:05,593 --> 00:39:09,264 and how personal it was and how involved 792 00:39:09,264 --> 00:39:11,474 and how real it makes it. 793 00:39:11,474 --> 00:39:13,768 It's almost like you're entering into her world. 794 00:39:13,768 --> 00:39:16,729 We had numerous blood spots located in the bowling alley 795 00:39:16,729 --> 00:39:19,065 that we know all haven't been tested. 796 00:39:19,065 --> 00:39:22,860 So we got to just kind of 797 00:39:22,860 --> 00:39:25,238 move forward and hope for the best 798 00:39:25,238 --> 00:39:27,657 with the evidence that we have and 799 00:39:27,657 --> 00:39:29,784 start looking at the next suspect. 800 00:39:29,784 --> 00:39:32,579 REPORTER: She was walking from her job at Hardee's on Waldron 801 00:39:32,579 --> 00:39:35,623 in Fort Smith when she was approached by a man 802 00:39:35,623 --> 00:39:37,208 who tried to abduct her. 803 00:39:37,208 --> 00:39:40,420 That man was allegedly Dustin Markel. 804 00:39:40,420 --> 00:39:43,214 - Within a minute or two, he had grabbed me by my right arm, 805 00:39:43,214 --> 00:39:45,884 and I jerked away. 806 00:39:45,884 --> 00:39:47,468 BRAD: He had very lengthy criminal history, 807 00:39:47,468 --> 00:39:51,389 including sexual assaults, attempted rapes, rapes. 808 00:39:51,389 --> 00:39:53,683 You know, he had attempted a kidnapping 809 00:39:53,683 --> 00:39:56,728 at Central Mall from a lady that 810 00:39:56,728 --> 00:39:58,646 was luckily able to escape. 811 00:39:58,646 --> 00:40:03,109 And, you know, the day after Melissa was abducted, 812 00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:07,655 this individual left the area and left the state. 813 00:40:07,655 --> 00:40:10,199 You know, there's, like I said, several people 814 00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:12,410 in this case file, and we've just kind of scratched 815 00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:14,162 the surface of it. 816 00:40:14,162 --> 00:40:19,125 So we'll keep pushing until we get the results that we want. 817 00:40:19,125 --> 00:40:22,795 ♪ ♪ 818 00:40:26,341 --> 00:40:29,344 [somber music] 819 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