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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,990 --> 00:00:13,032 The New York Times, 2 00:00:13,116 --> 00:00:15,201 this past Sunday, there was an article about 3 00:00:15,285 --> 00:00:18,621 the first black punk rock group called Death in the '70s. 4 00:00:18,663 --> 00:00:21,040 And they found these old recordings. 5 00:00:21,124 --> 00:00:23,209 And they have an album that they put out now. 6 00:00:23,293 --> 00:00:26,380 They have pictures of these guys back in the '70s. One of them died. 7 00:00:26,463 --> 00:00:29,716 And now I'm dying to hear this fucking group's music. 8 00:00:29,799 --> 00:00:31,301 - Should be good. - What were they called? 9 00:00:31,342 --> 00:00:34,305 They were called Death. Death. 10 00:00:59,330 --> 00:01:03,375 The quick version of the Death story is almost like the tease 11 00:01:03,460 --> 00:01:04,836 at the beginning of a movie trailer. 12 00:01:05,128 --> 00:01:08,255 Three black guys, in the '70s, 13 00:01:08,339 --> 00:01:11,300 from Detroit, Michigan, blood brothers. 14 00:01:11,342 --> 00:01:15,804 Three black cats from Detroit, played heavy, punk, rock 'n' roll. 15 00:01:16,639 --> 00:01:19,476 It's pretty hard to be black playing rock in Detroit. 16 00:01:19,517 --> 00:01:21,394 'Cause they were sort of stereotyped into... 17 00:01:21,478 --> 00:01:23,313 You had to be Motown, if you were black. 18 00:01:27,191 --> 00:01:29,986 Death's music was definitely ahead of its time. 19 00:01:30,236 --> 00:01:33,281 They really predated what we know as the punk movement. 20 00:01:35,283 --> 00:01:38,161 Nobody was making music like that in '73. 21 00:01:38,203 --> 00:01:41,831 They have to be properly credited as being visionaries. 22 00:01:47,003 --> 00:01:50,757 You have a record that is so perfect in its innovation, 23 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,343 it makes it all the more shocking 24 00:01:52,426 --> 00:01:54,844 that it didn't manage to find a way to come out then. 25 00:01:56,888 --> 00:01:59,392 They're kind of like the Unknown Soldiers of rock. 26 00:01:59,475 --> 00:02:02,395 They were recordings that were simply put away. 27 00:02:02,436 --> 00:02:06,982 There's been hardcore history sitting up in that attic, and no one's known about it. 28 00:02:07,066 --> 00:02:10,069 Thirty years after the fact, we're just now discovering this band 29 00:02:10,152 --> 00:02:12,488 that had been sort of lying in wait. 30 00:02:18,953 --> 00:02:22,081 It's such a great story and it's, uh... 31 00:02:23,416 --> 00:02:24,750 It's punk rock. 32 00:03:41,328 --> 00:03:44,332 Welcome to my neighborhood. 2240 Lillibridge. 33 00:03:44,373 --> 00:03:46,209 This is where Death was born. 34 00:03:47,668 --> 00:03:51,088 - This is our old friend... - No. 35 00:03:51,172 --> 00:03:53,549 -...that we grew up with. - This is Kathleen. She lives right here. 36 00:03:53,633 --> 00:03:56,928 - They telling the story about Death. - Okay. 37 00:03:57,011 --> 00:03:58,347 - You remember Death. - I'm still here. 38 00:03:58,388 --> 00:04:00,473 No! 39 00:04:00,515 --> 00:04:03,184 They telling the story about our old band 40 00:04:03,267 --> 00:04:06,146 that we used to drive you all crazy with all of our loud music. 41 00:04:06,188 --> 00:04:08,357 Yeah, I remember that. 42 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,192 I remember that, yes. 43 00:04:12,610 --> 00:04:13,904 Oh, yeah, there you go! 44 00:04:18,909 --> 00:04:21,620 David... David... You know what? 45 00:04:25,082 --> 00:04:28,836 But you know what? That was my boy, though. That was my boy. 46 00:04:28,877 --> 00:04:30,504 He was all right. 47 00:04:30,546 --> 00:04:32,047 My name is Dannie Hackney. 48 00:04:32,464 --> 00:04:38,137 I played the drums, and I was born and raised in the Motor City, Detroit, Michigan. 49 00:04:38,429 --> 00:04:40,556 Well, I remember when I... You all were teenagers, uh... 50 00:04:40,597 --> 00:04:43,475 - That's right. That's very right. - Yeah. Right, yeah? 51 00:04:43,559 --> 00:04:46,563 I'm Bobby Hackney. I am a bass player. 52 00:04:47,188 --> 00:04:50,399 My parents, Earl Vonlee Hackney 53 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,528 and Majora Florida Hackney, two beautiful people. 54 00:05:00,994 --> 00:05:04,747 I was the youngest of, uh, four boys. 55 00:05:04,831 --> 00:05:07,041 Our oldest brother was Earl. 56 00:05:07,959 --> 00:05:11,880 David was born the second. And then it was Dannie. 57 00:05:11,921 --> 00:05:14,465 And, um, I came along. 58 00:05:15,049 --> 00:05:16,092 I am indeed the eldest, 59 00:05:16,175 --> 00:05:19,929 and that was ingrained in them also, because I'd say, 60 00:05:19,971 --> 00:05:23,975 "Never forget, I'm second in command to Moms and Pop." 61 00:05:30,481 --> 00:05:34,445 Spirituality plays into our life right from the beginning of our roots. 62 00:05:34,528 --> 00:05:37,323 You know, our dad was a Baptist minister. 63 00:05:37,947 --> 00:05:39,115 We're preacher's sons. 64 00:05:41,660 --> 00:05:44,330 Being a minister's kid taught us the Word, 65 00:05:44,413 --> 00:05:45,873 from Genesis to Revelation. 66 00:05:45,956 --> 00:05:48,082 I mean, we all became versed in the Word. 67 00:05:48,751 --> 00:05:49,835 He always told us, you know, 68 00:05:49,919 --> 00:05:52,421 if you try your best in life to keep your promise to God 69 00:05:52,463 --> 00:05:55,591 and give God time enough to keep His promise to you. 70 00:05:57,052 --> 00:06:01,055 My old man instilled into us to back up your brother. 71 00:06:01,263 --> 00:06:04,141 So all of our lives we grew up with this idea 72 00:06:04,224 --> 00:06:06,311 that, you know, we gotta back up your brother. 73 00:06:06,853 --> 00:06:10,314 We made a pact with each other that we would never fight, 74 00:06:10,356 --> 00:06:13,026 we would never do anything to hurt each other. 75 00:06:13,109 --> 00:06:14,778 We were all close. 76 00:06:14,819 --> 00:06:17,655 I mean, we all were very, very close. 77 00:06:18,989 --> 00:06:21,576 Moms, you got so many grandchildren, you can't keep up now. 78 00:06:21,660 --> 00:06:24,162 - I don't try. 79 00:06:26,164 --> 00:06:29,459 I got eight kids. I'm proud of every one of them. 80 00:06:29,501 --> 00:06:33,672 - That's right. That's right. - Love every one of them. 81 00:06:33,713 --> 00:06:36,008 - Your son, David... - You're gonna see everybody came... 82 00:06:36,091 --> 00:06:40,136 I don't know what David's doing up there, but there's a lot of good things going on 83 00:06:40,178 --> 00:06:42,347 in our lives, because of all his things. 84 00:06:42,430 --> 00:06:44,558 - Um, yeah. -It is. 85 00:06:44,642 --> 00:06:47,686 Yeah, I know that out of... David... 86 00:06:47,727 --> 00:06:49,980 We talk about Dave all the time. 87 00:06:50,021 --> 00:06:54,360 - I know. You said... I know. - You know, me and Viv, we talk about Dave. 88 00:06:54,443 --> 00:06:57,237 - Yeah. - Some of the things he did. 89 00:06:57,362 --> 00:06:59,699 - Oh! 90 00:07:00,199 --> 00:07:02,201 I mean, we were kind of crazy kids. 91 00:07:02,284 --> 00:07:04,537 We thought of some games that was really weird. 92 00:07:04,620 --> 00:07:07,372 I remember one time we was having a squirt gun fight. 93 00:07:08,207 --> 00:07:11,335 You know, Dave hid behind the garage and pissed in his. 94 00:07:14,588 --> 00:07:17,842 You know, just... Just some of Dave's pranks, you know. 95 00:07:18,092 --> 00:07:20,177 David was kind of creative when it comes to the... 96 00:07:20,219 --> 00:07:22,221 I mean, he would put together some makeshift stuff 97 00:07:22,304 --> 00:07:25,641 that just would work that... That you wouldn't believe. 98 00:07:27,143 --> 00:07:31,732 He took the telephone one time and pulled wires and he pinched wires, 99 00:07:31,773 --> 00:07:34,067 and the next thing you know, you pick up the phone, it's... 100 00:07:34,692 --> 00:07:37,987 Hello. 101 00:07:40,282 --> 00:07:42,701 And, you know, we actually have tapes of this. 102 00:07:42,743 --> 00:07:45,870 David used that to scare people. 103 00:08:42,136 --> 00:08:43,930 Uh, growing up in Detroit... 104 00:08:44,263 --> 00:08:48,017 it was just a... It was a great time. It was that Motown time. 105 00:08:48,142 --> 00:08:52,939 You know, that real time when Motown was churning out all those amazing hits. 106 00:08:53,481 --> 00:08:56,651 You know, it was just such a bustling town. 107 00:09:03,825 --> 00:09:06,787 Well, the presence of music, that all started with my mom and dad. 108 00:09:06,954 --> 00:09:08,539 They were always music fans. 109 00:09:08,622 --> 00:09:11,416 - Just in right here, 110 00:09:12,083 --> 00:09:16,839 my mother used to have a little clock radio, little gray radio right in that corner over there. 111 00:09:17,506 --> 00:09:20,300 Every morning we would sit at the table, 112 00:09:20,342 --> 00:09:23,345 eating breakfast, listening to CKLW. 113 00:09:23,428 --> 00:09:24,805 All right. 114 00:09:24,847 --> 00:09:27,683 - And they played everything. - Mmm-hmm. Yeah, back in the day. 115 00:09:27,766 --> 00:09:30,060 Aretha Franklin, Bob Seger. 116 00:09:30,145 --> 00:09:32,146 And I'm thankful to my mom and dad, 117 00:09:32,187 --> 00:09:35,315 'cause they never held us back from listening to music. 118 00:09:35,357 --> 00:09:38,361 They would always tell us, "Enjoy everything." 119 00:09:38,945 --> 00:09:41,363 There's so many people who brought music into the house. 120 00:09:41,405 --> 00:09:43,949 I mean, it was my dad who sat us down 121 00:09:44,032 --> 00:09:46,077 and made us watch the Beatles. 122 00:09:47,370 --> 00:09:49,497 The minute I saw Paul McCartney 123 00:09:49,539 --> 00:09:51,832 singing and playing that Beatle bass, you know, 124 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,210 I wanted to play bass and still wanted to sing. 125 00:09:54,711 --> 00:09:58,548 Then David tuned in to John Lennon playing the guitar and... 126 00:09:58,882 --> 00:10:02,635 And it was David who rallied us to, you know, be a band and get together and... 127 00:10:02,719 --> 00:10:04,053 And that made him the leader. 128 00:10:04,554 --> 00:10:06,431 That's your first drum. This is my first drum. 129 00:10:06,514 --> 00:10:09,685 - What? Jesus Christ. - Very first drum. 130 00:10:09,727 --> 00:10:11,811 Right here. 131 00:10:13,229 --> 00:10:15,648 So I used to put two knives, two butter knives, on here 132 00:10:15,732 --> 00:10:17,108 to make it sound like a snare. 133 00:10:17,735 --> 00:10:20,153 One time we had some good luck in our family 134 00:10:20,236 --> 00:10:22,947 and our mother got a settlement from a car accident. 135 00:10:23,072 --> 00:10:25,074 And suddenly we had some money. 136 00:10:25,408 --> 00:10:29,412 And she gave us kind of a choice of what we wanted to do. 137 00:10:29,913 --> 00:10:34,001 First thing we did was went to Manny's Music, man. 138 00:10:34,084 --> 00:10:36,045 Manny's Music! 139 00:10:39,505 --> 00:10:42,927 I bought a Rickenbacker guitar and a Fender guitar. 140 00:10:43,010 --> 00:10:45,930 David bought a brand-new Fender guitar. 141 00:10:46,013 --> 00:10:48,557 Bob went and bought himself an acoustic amplifier, 142 00:10:48,599 --> 00:10:52,061 so I had to have the best drums I could find. 143 00:10:52,102 --> 00:10:54,980 I went and bought me a Slingerland set of drums. 144 00:10:55,522 --> 00:10:59,276 I had a bass, Dannie had some drums, David, his guitar. 145 00:11:00,444 --> 00:11:01,946 We started jamming together. 146 00:11:02,863 --> 00:11:04,448 Here we go. 147 00:11:05,575 --> 00:11:07,702 One, two, three, four! 148 00:11:10,746 --> 00:11:12,623 The first band that we formed as brothers 149 00:11:12,706 --> 00:11:17,295 was called Rock Fire Funk Express. 'Cause at that time we wasn't sure 150 00:11:17,337 --> 00:11:19,630 whether we wanted to be a funk band or a rock band. 151 00:11:26,471 --> 00:11:29,808 Rock with a fire, you know, add a little funk in there 152 00:11:29,891 --> 00:11:31,977 and just keep on going, like an express. 153 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,110 But then the Who came to town. 154 00:11:40,694 --> 00:11:43,780 And when Dave went down to see them, 155 00:11:43,822 --> 00:11:45,825 he was like, "That's it." 156 00:11:46,158 --> 00:11:49,703 You know, "We gotta play this music. This is the music we gotta play." 157 00:11:56,544 --> 00:11:59,045 David, every time I would leave, man, 158 00:11:59,129 --> 00:12:01,257 he would have that stuff playing. 159 00:12:01,841 --> 00:12:04,510 He'd just be laying there, listening. 160 00:12:04,593 --> 00:12:07,554 And then I'd come back and the same thing would be playing. 161 00:12:09,473 --> 00:12:13,686 You know, when I saw Alice Cooper, it was like, you know, "All bets are off, man." 162 00:12:13,769 --> 00:12:17,231 To me, if we ain't playing this, then I ain't gonna be having no fun. 163 00:12:20,526 --> 00:12:24,489 Rock 'n' roll just kind of... We just kind of immersed ourselves in it. 164 00:12:25,073 --> 00:12:28,159 That's what David called it, he said, "it's pure rock 'n' roll, man." 165 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,619 Not like a lot... You're gonna have your one hit, 166 00:12:30,703 --> 00:12:35,500 but the pure rock 'n' roll is what they don't play over the radio, you know? 167 00:12:35,542 --> 00:12:37,084 That's what David always said. 168 00:12:37,752 --> 00:12:40,881 One, two, three, now! 169 00:12:46,552 --> 00:12:50,223 This is the room where Death was born. 170 00:12:50,307 --> 00:12:51,350 Look at this door, right here. 171 00:12:51,391 --> 00:12:54,186 Only something like this could come from the mind of my brother. 172 00:12:54,227 --> 00:12:57,814 - That's David's thing, right there, man. - Oh, yeah! 173 00:12:58,482 --> 00:13:00,025 We used to play. 174 00:13:00,067 --> 00:13:03,737 This was my station, over here. David was right over here. 175 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,577 And this was all Dannie' drums. 176 00:13:13,289 --> 00:13:17,084 And then we had our PAs. We just gutted the whole room. 177 00:13:17,751 --> 00:13:21,756 And we just made it into this little rock 'n' roll haven. 178 00:13:23,299 --> 00:13:27,762 If it wasn't for our mom... She let us turn our whole entire room 179 00:13:27,804 --> 00:13:30,348 into a workroom for music. 180 00:13:30,723 --> 00:13:33,935 She got behind everything we wanted to do. 181 00:13:34,018 --> 00:13:37,271 While I'm on camera, I'm gonna say, "Thank you, Mom. Thank you." 182 00:13:37,647 --> 00:13:39,440 And she just made an agreement with us. 183 00:13:39,524 --> 00:13:41,109 She said, "Hey, look, 3:00 to 6:00 is your time. 184 00:13:41,192 --> 00:13:42,944 "After 6:00, you gotta cut it off." 185 00:13:43,654 --> 00:13:47,156 All right now, here we go. We're gonna get this right. 186 00:13:47,407 --> 00:13:48,950 One, two, three! 187 00:13:53,372 --> 00:13:58,668 David, he could practice for hours and hours and hours, literally. 188 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,425 He got to the point to where he played along 189 00:14:05,466 --> 00:14:08,345 with just about every album that was in our collection. 190 00:14:08,429 --> 00:14:11,640 So he was learning Queen, he was learning the Who. 191 00:14:12,141 --> 00:14:17,563 David had a slogan. He said, "if I could play chords like Peter Townsend 192 00:14:17,646 --> 00:14:20,232 "and play lead like Jimi Hendrix, 193 00:14:21,316 --> 00:14:23,610 "I am the ideal guitar player." 194 00:14:24,027 --> 00:14:27,614 David's amp was always positioned right here, because he liked it like that... 195 00:14:27,656 --> 00:14:31,161 So he could, you know, roust up the neighbors. 196 00:14:33,745 --> 00:14:36,707 And then there was like a... Some girls... 197 00:14:36,790 --> 00:14:39,878 We'd be practicing so loud, that after we're done with a song, 198 00:14:39,961 --> 00:14:43,338 we could hear all this loud knocking on the door. 199 00:14:43,422 --> 00:14:45,090 And that was them trying to get in. 200 00:14:45,507 --> 00:14:50,346 One day this transpired and David started playing these riffs, you know? 201 00:14:55,602 --> 00:14:58,897 You know, we just came up with the words right then and there, you know? 202 00:14:58,980 --> 00:15:02,399 -"Keep on knockin'." -"Keep on knockin'," you know? 203 00:15:14,245 --> 00:15:15,955 And then they're playing in the house, 204 00:15:16,039 --> 00:15:17,790 and, oh, man, they were... 205 00:15:17,874 --> 00:15:21,169 They sent people down the street holding their head. 206 00:15:24,130 --> 00:15:26,926 You know, we would start to practice and the doors would slam 207 00:15:27,051 --> 00:15:30,970 and the cop cars would pull up, because we know they called them on us. 208 00:15:31,095 --> 00:15:33,139 See, we grew up in the black community, so... 209 00:15:33,389 --> 00:15:36,727 At that time people were tuning into, like, groups like Earth, Wind and Fire. 210 00:15:36,769 --> 00:15:40,105 And, you know, here we are in the middle of all of this 211 00:15:40,356 --> 00:15:42,191 playing rock 'n' roll. 212 00:15:42,233 --> 00:15:46,070 And, I mean, it was just... it wasn't a rock 'n' roll culture. 213 00:15:46,153 --> 00:15:47,738 White boy music! 214 00:15:52,993 --> 00:15:55,746 I mean, the more people tried to talk to us about changing, 215 00:15:55,788 --> 00:15:59,084 I think the deeper we went into rock 'n' roll. 216 00:15:59,376 --> 00:16:01,085 One, two, three, now! 217 00:16:21,105 --> 00:16:23,608 All of that is pure anger. 218 00:16:23,692 --> 00:16:27,862 We are fighting with the neighbors to maintain our identity. 219 00:16:28,196 --> 00:16:32,284 And we would not be not heard, especially with David. 220 00:16:32,534 --> 00:16:35,287 And people were running around, 221 00:16:35,370 --> 00:16:37,790 "Turn it down! Turn it down!" 222 00:16:50,802 --> 00:16:54,473 My dad, Earl V. Hackney, died. 223 00:16:55,641 --> 00:17:00,020 Though it was an accident, I think it impressed us a lot in our lives 224 00:17:00,478 --> 00:17:04,025 from then on, when they described to us how he died. 225 00:17:05,192 --> 00:17:06,819 He was an electric lineman, 226 00:17:06,902 --> 00:17:10,031 so his job was to climb up the poles, fix the wires. 227 00:17:10,573 --> 00:17:12,825 I guess he had a trainee with him one night. 228 00:17:13,117 --> 00:17:18,164 And this trainee, I guess, stuck his screwdriver in the wrong place. 229 00:17:18,664 --> 00:17:22,168 And he got shocked, and it threw him off the pole. 230 00:17:22,710 --> 00:17:27,840 So my dad races down the pole, you know, throws him in the back of the car... 231 00:17:27,882 --> 00:17:30,009 And they take off for the hospital. 232 00:17:30,092 --> 00:17:33,680 But just so happened, a bar was letting out. 233 00:17:34,348 --> 00:17:37,059 And there was a person who was drunk behind the wheel 234 00:17:37,142 --> 00:17:40,186 and they swung right out in front of him. 235 00:17:40,227 --> 00:17:44,775 And he slammed right into her and he died instantly. 236 00:17:52,783 --> 00:17:56,870 I mean, the last thing that he did before he left this world was a noble deed. 237 00:17:56,912 --> 00:17:59,081 He was trying to help someone. 238 00:18:09,633 --> 00:18:12,552 I think when my dad died, 239 00:18:12,970 --> 00:18:17,891 it had really a big effect on David, as it did all of us. 240 00:18:18,308 --> 00:18:22,522 Um, and David became obsessed 241 00:18:22,563 --> 00:18:25,483 with a lot of spirituality. 242 00:18:26,149 --> 00:18:31,155 Seeing our dad at a funeral, I think really was for the first time 243 00:18:31,739 --> 00:18:36,786 that we was up close and personal with dying, 244 00:18:37,745 --> 00:18:40,373 and the fact that someone that you love... 245 00:18:40,415 --> 00:18:43,042 You're never gonna see this person in this existence. 246 00:18:43,584 --> 00:18:47,714 And that, I think, had a big effect on all of us, 247 00:18:47,755 --> 00:18:50,049 but on David probably the most. 248 00:18:54,888 --> 00:18:57,849 Bobby was in school, I was at work. 249 00:18:57,932 --> 00:19:00,602 So when we get home, David says, 250 00:19:00,644 --> 00:19:04,897 "Man, I got this great, great new idea for the name of the band." 251 00:19:05,481 --> 00:19:08,444 So he holds us in suspense. Let's run up to the room 252 00:19:08,527 --> 00:19:12,030 and find out what this great name is that David then came up with. 253 00:19:13,073 --> 00:19:15,408 We're waiting with much suspense. 254 00:19:15,450 --> 00:19:19,705 And as soon as he says, "Yeah, this is the name, dude. Death." 255 00:19:22,499 --> 00:19:24,460 Death. Oh, man. 256 00:19:26,044 --> 00:19:30,132 So me and Bobby just kind of looked at each other as if to say, 257 00:19:30,174 --> 00:19:32,886 "This dude's gone way off the deep end." 258 00:19:33,845 --> 00:19:36,180 I know what I would do if somebody came up to me 259 00:19:36,263 --> 00:19:38,640 talking about their band, the name of their band was Death. 260 00:19:38,724 --> 00:19:41,561 I'd be like, "You don't wanna... No, I don't wanna hear it." 261 00:19:42,145 --> 00:19:45,773 But there again, that old thing in the back of your head kicks in. 262 00:19:45,814 --> 00:19:48,985 "Back up your brother. Back up your brother." 263 00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:52,530 And David always said that our name would have shock value. 264 00:19:52,614 --> 00:19:56,951 And we're like, "Why would you say that?" He says, "Because death is real." 265 00:19:57,702 --> 00:20:00,330 He had so much conviction, so much belief, 266 00:20:00,371 --> 00:20:02,791 until we just went along with it. 267 00:20:03,625 --> 00:20:07,504 And that was right around the spring of 1974. 268 00:20:08,463 --> 00:20:10,507 Yeah, that's when we became Death. 269 00:20:11,049 --> 00:20:12,176 Death! 270 00:20:48,212 --> 00:20:54,385 This picture right here was taken in 1975. 271 00:20:56,053 --> 00:21:00,141 And from our mother's back yard in Detroit. 272 00:21:00,225 --> 00:21:03,644 David looked up into the sky and he saw a triangle. 273 00:21:03,727 --> 00:21:05,980 As you can see, there's a triangle right there. 274 00:21:06,898 --> 00:21:11,235 And also there's a face. 275 00:21:12,236 --> 00:21:16,658 David said that that was the face of God watching over the triangle. 276 00:21:17,534 --> 00:21:20,620 And he used to tell us that was a message to us, you know. 277 00:21:20,704 --> 00:21:24,916 Hey, this is what Dave was in tune to. This is what he was all about. 278 00:21:44,269 --> 00:21:48,441 David wanted to put a positive spin on death. 279 00:21:49,025 --> 00:21:50,650 It's kind of like birth. 280 00:21:51,276 --> 00:21:54,195 It's not a good or a bad thing, it's just a thing. 281 00:21:54,739 --> 00:21:57,450 Yeah, well, see, this right here was David's concept. 282 00:21:57,742 --> 00:21:59,993 He calls it the death triangle. 283 00:22:00,076 --> 00:22:04,624 And what it basically means is the three elements of life, 284 00:22:05,458 --> 00:22:10,671 which is spiritual, mental, physical. 285 00:22:12,131 --> 00:22:15,801 And this right here means that's the guiding spirit. 286 00:22:15,885 --> 00:22:19,388 And that's what David said. This right here is God. 287 00:22:20,306 --> 00:22:23,935 The stuff that used to come out of his head was just so, you know, 288 00:22:23,976 --> 00:22:27,481 it was original, but, you know, when you first heard it, 289 00:22:27,606 --> 00:22:29,482 it just sounded crazy. 290 00:22:50,253 --> 00:22:52,965 The ultimate trip. 291 00:22:54,883 --> 00:22:56,176 Death. 292 00:23:02,015 --> 00:23:03,225 David... 293 00:23:03,433 --> 00:23:07,021 Okay, since he's proclaiming the leader of the band... 294 00:23:07,063 --> 00:23:11,316 We said, "David, we need a contract." Okay? 295 00:23:12,067 --> 00:23:17,073 So, well, David takes the yellow pages, nails it to the wall 296 00:23:18,323 --> 00:23:19,533 and go gets a dart. 297 00:23:20,033 --> 00:23:23,204 He opens it to the music section, 298 00:23:23,705 --> 00:23:27,791 where you have all your producers and music offices and... 299 00:23:28,542 --> 00:23:32,547 He opens the yellow pages, nails it to the wall, takes the dart... 300 00:23:34,215 --> 00:23:37,885 And the dart lands on Groovesville Productions. 301 00:23:37,927 --> 00:23:41,014 He said, "Those are the guys we're gonna call." 302 00:23:47,854 --> 00:23:50,857 There's Groovesville Productions. 303 00:23:52,233 --> 00:23:54,778 I always remember these yellow bricks, 304 00:23:54,945 --> 00:23:57,572 'cause this is where the studio was. 305 00:23:58,406 --> 00:24:01,577 Now, Groovesville, they were a production company 306 00:24:01,660 --> 00:24:07,123 that handled people like Johnnie Taylor, The Dramatics. 307 00:24:07,206 --> 00:24:10,544 And their leader was Don Davis, 308 00:24:10,586 --> 00:24:14,089 who was just a Detroit music mogul. 309 00:24:14,673 --> 00:24:17,384 Hello. My name is Don Davis. 310 00:24:18,635 --> 00:24:22,097 I am a record producer. 311 00:24:22,431 --> 00:24:24,768 I am a music publisher. 312 00:24:25,393 --> 00:24:29,146 And I am a studio owner. 313 00:24:29,605 --> 00:24:34,652 And just more recently, I am the proud owner 314 00:24:35,402 --> 00:24:37,946 of First Independence National Bank. 315 00:24:39,031 --> 00:24:41,534 Maybe we should knock on the door and just... 316 00:24:41,618 --> 00:24:42,744 Yeah. 317 00:24:42,911 --> 00:24:45,621 The Hackney brothers came in to my office, 318 00:24:45,704 --> 00:24:50,043 because before you get to Don Davis, the producer, 319 00:24:50,126 --> 00:24:52,837 you had to come through the Groovesville office, 320 00:24:53,046 --> 00:24:55,214 which was my domain. 321 00:24:56,466 --> 00:24:58,176 Hey, how you doing? 322 00:24:59,010 --> 00:25:01,513 I met the Hackney brothers. 323 00:25:01,763 --> 00:25:06,976 And played me some demos that I just thought were absolutely wonderful. 324 00:25:07,060 --> 00:25:09,270 This was Brian Spears' office, wasn't it? 325 00:25:09,312 --> 00:25:14,068 This is the room where Death auditioned for Brian Spears. 326 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,986 - This is the room. - Still got the original furniture. 327 00:25:17,070 --> 00:25:20,449 He had the tape... On this shelf... 328 00:25:20,616 --> 00:25:21,992 On this shelf 329 00:25:22,076 --> 00:25:24,661 he had the reel-to-reel tape. 330 00:25:25,203 --> 00:25:30,292 And Brian sat in this... At this desk. 331 00:25:31,127 --> 00:25:34,629 I was just blown away by the energy of David Hackney. 332 00:25:35,004 --> 00:25:39,677 He just knew that this is what their destiny was gonna be. 333 00:25:39,927 --> 00:25:44,014 Through a couple of auditions, we ended up signing with them. 334 00:25:44,056 --> 00:25:47,560 And it just so happens that they was running the stellar, 335 00:25:48,060 --> 00:25:52,232 legendary recording studio of Detroit called United Sounds. 336 00:25:52,983 --> 00:25:56,318 I mean, if you were a musician in Detroit, you knew about United Sounds. 337 00:25:56,694 --> 00:25:59,488 Let's see, I can tell you the exact date they were in the studio. 338 00:25:59,530 --> 00:26:01,366 They were in the studio 339 00:26:01,533 --> 00:26:07,538 February the 18th, it was a Wednesday, in 1975. 340 00:26:07,706 --> 00:26:11,209 "Death and Legacy are in the studio cutting." 341 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,044 It's right here. 342 00:26:15,797 --> 00:26:17,382 We used to just love to come here, man. 343 00:26:17,424 --> 00:26:21,553 This is where we spent the entire summer of 1975. 344 00:26:22,219 --> 00:26:24,931 We spent it right around, in and around this building, 345 00:26:25,390 --> 00:26:27,893 recording that Death album. 346 00:26:28,435 --> 00:26:30,854 The moment that that band 347 00:26:32,147 --> 00:26:36,568 fired up those instruments, it was just amazing. 348 00:26:36,693 --> 00:26:37,694 One, two, three, now! 349 00:26:46,828 --> 00:26:49,874 I think with every song that they played, 350 00:26:50,124 --> 00:26:53,919 the energy level just kept growing and growing, 351 00:26:54,002 --> 00:26:56,214 because they just wanted to show 352 00:26:56,255 --> 00:27:02,177 every bit of talent that they had on every song. 353 00:27:16,067 --> 00:27:17,526 It was amazing to me, 354 00:27:17,610 --> 00:27:22,281 to see such young players 355 00:27:22,907 --> 00:27:25,952 have so much to say through their music. 356 00:27:51,770 --> 00:27:54,439 Course, we were the loudest thing that they'd ever seen. 357 00:27:54,481 --> 00:27:56,942 David, he went in there and he showed them 358 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,570 -what his double-stacked Marshalls could do. - Yeah. 359 00:28:00,654 --> 00:28:03,573 And they were like, "Okay, we hear it. 360 00:28:03,991 --> 00:28:05,158 "Please turn it down." 361 00:28:06,661 --> 00:28:07,996 Exactly. 362 00:28:37,358 --> 00:28:40,153 Once we were pretty much happy with the mixes, 363 00:28:40,194 --> 00:28:44,449 I grabbed Don Davis and I said to Don, 364 00:28:44,532 --> 00:28:47,286 "Look,you“. You've gotta listen to these guys." 365 00:28:47,536 --> 00:28:52,457 I'm like, "Brian, have you lost your mind? 366 00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:57,837 "Nobody is going to buy a song 367 00:28:58,087 --> 00:29:01,382 "on a group called D-E-A-T-H. 368 00:29:03,302 --> 00:29:05,220 "What's the matter with you?" 369 00:29:05,387 --> 00:29:12,227 I know the name is gonna be a drawback, 370 00:29:12,853 --> 00:29:17,523 but, you know, I convinced Don that on his next trip, we need to start 371 00:29:18,275 --> 00:29:20,319 showing the group around. 372 00:29:21,904 --> 00:29:26,910 We got turned down by every major label in the UK. 373 00:29:29,203 --> 00:29:31,580 'Cause, I mean, we had gotten a rejection letter 374 00:29:31,622 --> 00:29:34,084 that said we tried all these labels. 375 00:29:34,167 --> 00:29:37,211 He says, "As far as I'm concerned, don't even look anymore." 376 00:29:37,961 --> 00:29:41,006 He went all the way pretty much around the world 377 00:29:41,090 --> 00:29:42,926 looking for a contract. 378 00:29:43,009 --> 00:29:44,761 Everybody turned us down. 379 00:29:44,844 --> 00:29:49,181 The name had really seemed to be a roadblock. 380 00:29:53,937 --> 00:29:56,355 So I got this 381 00:29:56,897 --> 00:29:59,651 setting with Clive Davis. 382 00:30:00,777 --> 00:30:04,239 And it caused a very interesting stir, 383 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,491 because they were really focused on this record, 384 00:30:06,574 --> 00:30:08,535 and they wanted to get involved in it. 385 00:30:08,618 --> 00:30:12,956 The first reaction was, "Hey, this... You know, great stuff." 386 00:30:13,582 --> 00:30:17,377 Possibly we may be on the brink of a deal, 387 00:30:18,128 --> 00:30:20,004 but there's one sticking point. 388 00:30:20,338 --> 00:30:24,385 Clive Davis expressed that he really didn't care 389 00:30:24,468 --> 00:30:26,219 for the name of the band. 390 00:30:26,302 --> 00:30:30,307 Brian had told us, he says, "You guys might have a record deal, uh, 391 00:30:30,391 --> 00:30:33,269 "if you are willing to change the name." 392 00:30:36,354 --> 00:30:38,941 That sent David into another place, 393 00:30:39,233 --> 00:30:43,529 because he had his Death concept and the concept went with the name 394 00:30:43,612 --> 00:30:47,533 and the band went with the concept, and nothing could change! 395 00:30:47,867 --> 00:30:52,204 David, in no uncertain terms, just said, "Tell Clive Davis to go to hell." 396 00:30:52,956 --> 00:30:57,751 Okay, so David, our illustrious leader, turned the deal down. 397 00:31:03,049 --> 00:31:07,470 When that came out of David's mouth, me and Bob had nothing coming out of ours. 398 00:31:08,137 --> 00:31:09,514 We were flabbergasted. 399 00:31:09,556 --> 00:31:14,935 Even though we didn't agree with it, in public, back up your brother. 400 00:31:15,853 --> 00:31:18,857 But in private, we had a bitter argument about that. 401 00:31:19,483 --> 00:31:22,777 "Listen, man, these guys wanna give us a $20,000 contract." 402 00:31:22,861 --> 00:31:25,989 And in the '70s, you know, that's a pretty big contract. 403 00:31:26,072 --> 00:31:28,450 We could've actually just went ahead and changed the name. 404 00:31:28,533 --> 00:31:31,495 I mean, how many times we gonna get a contract like this? 405 00:31:32,205 --> 00:31:34,372 And, you know, then Dave got mad at us. 406 00:31:37,626 --> 00:31:41,923 If we give them the title to our band, 407 00:31:42,673 --> 00:31:45,258 Dave said you might as well give them everything else. 408 00:31:46,051 --> 00:31:49,055 He always believed in the music, and I have to admit, 409 00:31:49,138 --> 00:31:51,641 a bit more than me or Bob did, 410 00:31:51,724 --> 00:31:55,227 because, you know, we were willing to make concessions. 411 00:31:55,310 --> 00:31:57,730 Dave was absolutely not. 412 00:31:58,314 --> 00:32:03,235 And he stuck to his guns. He stuck to his guns, man. 413 00:32:03,318 --> 00:32:06,405 Yeah, I would've changed it in a split second. 414 00:32:07,198 --> 00:32:08,908 Okay, I would have. 415 00:32:10,326 --> 00:32:14,497 But my spirit was telling me, "Go with your brother." 416 00:32:18,918 --> 00:32:22,046 You know, we just went in the office one day and... 417 00:32:22,088 --> 00:32:26,926 Brian told us that Don has decided to put a release on us. 418 00:32:27,928 --> 00:32:31,806 David just stood there and calmly asked them, he says, "Can I have the masters?" 419 00:32:34,100 --> 00:32:36,478 "Why not just give us our music and let us walk?" 420 00:32:36,562 --> 00:32:38,814 And Brian said, "Hey, no problem." 421 00:32:38,897 --> 00:32:42,608 And I was able to arrange to get the masters 422 00:32:42,733 --> 00:32:44,695 turned back over to the group. 423 00:32:44,778 --> 00:32:47,239 So we took those master tapes that he gave us 424 00:32:47,281 --> 00:32:51,994 and we printed up 50045s. 425 00:32:59,961 --> 00:33:01,587 And the reason we pressed those 500, 426 00:33:01,628 --> 00:33:04,214 'cause we wanted to get radio airplay. 427 00:33:04,798 --> 00:33:08,970 And it was frustrating, because the rock stations that we loved, they would play it, 428 00:33:09,053 --> 00:33:11,555 but very sporadically. 429 00:33:11,805 --> 00:33:15,643 We never could get them to play it enough to really make a difference. 430 00:33:15,810 --> 00:33:18,104 And it would happen every time we'd tell somebody. 431 00:33:18,187 --> 00:33:19,772 They'd say, "Well, what's the name of the band?" 432 00:33:19,856 --> 00:33:21,523 And, you know, we'd kind of... 433 00:33:23,151 --> 00:33:26,988 Do one of those and then we'd tell them the name of the band. 434 00:33:28,156 --> 00:33:31,326 And we'd get the same old reaction that we were expecting to get. 435 00:33:32,577 --> 00:33:34,329 You know, rejection. 436 00:33:43,504 --> 00:33:46,884 We ended up having to just kind of get rid of all of our equipment, 437 00:33:46,967 --> 00:33:48,886 'cause we needed money at the time. 438 00:33:48,969 --> 00:33:52,013 We gotta bail ourselves out of a number of things. 439 00:33:52,722 --> 00:33:54,432 And what happened was, 440 00:33:54,515 --> 00:33:56,977 our distant relative, his name was Donald Knight, 441 00:33:57,019 --> 00:33:59,979 he says, "Well, you know, why don't you guys just come up to New England 442 00:34:00,021 --> 00:34:02,273 "for a couple of weeks, just clear your head?" 443 00:34:02,357 --> 00:34:03,567 We didn't even know what he was talking about. 444 00:34:03,651 --> 00:34:05,402 We thought he was talking about flying across the Atlantic. 445 00:34:05,486 --> 00:34:07,529 We're like, "New England? What'd you do with the old one?" 446 00:34:07,613 --> 00:34:11,617 We took him up on that offer, because basically there was nothing else 447 00:34:11,700 --> 00:34:13,494 left to do in Detroit. 448 00:34:36,226 --> 00:34:39,436 So we came up here on a two-week vacation, 449 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,482 and we just never went back. 450 00:34:45,151 --> 00:34:46,569 We found apartments, 451 00:34:46,611 --> 00:34:49,613 and then we eventually bought even musical gear. 452 00:34:52,325 --> 00:34:54,244 When we first got to Burlington, 453 00:34:54,285 --> 00:34:57,746 David, he wanted to introduce the town to the band. 454 00:34:59,499 --> 00:35:01,251 Well, David went down the street. 455 00:35:01,459 --> 00:35:02,711 On each pole, 456 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,088 he put a Death poster. 457 00:35:05,547 --> 00:35:08,800 So I think he had about 500 of them printed up. 458 00:35:09,134 --> 00:35:12,679 I mean, the cops must've just went by every pole he was at 459 00:35:12,762 --> 00:35:15,891 and just grabbed them off, 'cause when the cop came to the door, 460 00:35:15,933 --> 00:35:19,436 he said, "This is a peaceful town, 461 00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:22,022 "and we don't have gangs here." 462 00:35:22,106 --> 00:35:24,608 That's when I said, "Dave, you better come to the door, man. 463 00:35:24,650 --> 00:35:27,444 "They think you're about to start a street gang." 464 00:35:27,610 --> 00:35:29,905 You know, he says, "No, man, this is a musical group. 465 00:35:29,989 --> 00:35:31,198 "This is all about music." 466 00:35:31,282 --> 00:35:35,453 He says, "Well, if you wanna get anywhere around here, you'll change that name." 467 00:35:40,666 --> 00:35:46,505 You know, after he left, I just closed the door and I said "That's it, man. I'm just tired of it." 468 00:35:47,131 --> 00:35:51,343 I'm tired of the rejection, I'm tired of the snide comments. 469 00:35:51,427 --> 00:35:52,803 I'm done With it. 470 00:35:53,889 --> 00:35:58,476 We just understood that we tried our best with Death. 471 00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:03,148 We hung in there from '73 to 1980, 472 00:36:03,315 --> 00:36:06,525 dealing with rejection for our name, rejection for our music, 473 00:36:06,650 --> 00:36:09,446 rejection for the fact that we were black and playing rock 'n' roll, 474 00:36:09,529 --> 00:36:11,823 rejection for the fact that our music was too fast, 475 00:36:11,907 --> 00:36:13,867 rejection for... So many rejections. 476 00:36:14,951 --> 00:36:19,039 David, he felt the rejection as well as we did. I mean, he knew. 477 00:36:19,998 --> 00:36:23,335 I think it was David who came up with the name 4th Movement. 478 00:36:24,002 --> 00:36:28,340 We didn't even listen to the concept or why he came up with the name. 479 00:36:28,548 --> 00:36:31,676 It wasn't Death, so me and Bob was just like, "Yeah, okay. 480 00:36:31,843 --> 00:36:32,886 "That's a good name." 481 00:36:48,568 --> 00:36:51,781 We just decided to take our rock 'n' roll sound 482 00:36:51,989 --> 00:36:53,574 and give it a spiritual concept. 483 00:37:28,067 --> 00:37:31,780 There was a campus newspaper and the name of the article was, 484 00:37:31,905 --> 00:37:34,824 "Rock 'n' Roll, Hold The Religion, Please." 485 00:37:35,074 --> 00:37:37,369 And they were saying how good the music was, 486 00:37:37,411 --> 00:37:41,540 but how they didn't like the religious aspects that went along with it. 487 00:37:45,752 --> 00:37:48,380 After all the rejection that we 'd been through with Death, 488 00:37:48,589 --> 00:37:51,091 there's this big old article in The Cynic saying, 489 00:37:51,174 --> 00:37:53,802 "Nice music, hold the religion," with our picture by it. 490 00:37:54,928 --> 00:37:57,806 Dave took it really personally, 491 00:37:57,890 --> 00:38:01,269 and I think he had just got fed up with the rejection, too. 492 00:38:01,352 --> 00:38:04,605 That's when the homesick for Detroit thing started to brewing up. 493 00:38:04,897 --> 00:38:06,315 He wanted to go back to Detroit. 494 00:38:06,481 --> 00:38:10,111 He really, literally, wanted to bottle up everything 495 00:38:10,194 --> 00:38:13,780 and take it with him, including us. He wanted us to fold up. 496 00:38:13,906 --> 00:38:17,285 But at the time, I mean, I had brought my wife, Tammy. 497 00:38:20,163 --> 00:38:24,334 And she had just had a little baby, little Bobby. 498 00:38:29,505 --> 00:38:33,176 We just didn't wanna pack up and go back to Detroit, you know? 499 00:38:34,218 --> 00:38:37,180 So David went back to Detroit. 500 00:38:47,482 --> 00:38:53,237 Well, lam Heidi Simpson, and David Hackney was my late husband. 501 00:38:53,947 --> 00:38:55,156 Well, let me see. 502 00:38:55,281 --> 00:38:57,701 Well, we moved from 503 00:38:58,911 --> 00:39:01,955 Vermont to Detroit in 1982. 504 00:39:04,166 --> 00:39:06,126 He wasn't working at that time. I know that. 505 00:39:06,168 --> 00:39:11,840 He was staying at home and playing his music to himself 506 00:39:13,133 --> 00:39:15,594 and trying to figure out what he wanted to do himself. 507 00:39:16,011 --> 00:39:20,849 He just wasn't no typical working person that, like, out there, doing the 9:00 to 5:00. 508 00:39:21,934 --> 00:39:23,727 And he was a dreamer. 509 00:39:24,186 --> 00:39:26,188 He liked, uh... 510 00:39:27,983 --> 00:39:30,359 He would sit out on the porch and just look in the... 511 00:39:30,609 --> 00:39:33,487 In the clouds in the sky 512 00:39:33,821 --> 00:39:36,366 and make pictures out of the clouds. 513 00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:50,379 We went for about two or three years without a guitar player. 514 00:39:50,421 --> 00:39:53,675 Yeah, we would practice the same way every day that we always did. 515 00:39:58,138 --> 00:40:02,517 'Cause we was always on the idea that David would come back. 516 00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:08,607 As time went on, we finally realized, "Well, maybe Dave's not coming back." 517 00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:12,652 So me and Bob stayed here and that's how Lambsbread was born. 518 00:40:27,001 --> 00:40:30,463 We looked at each other and said, "Man, this is a no-brainer." 519 00:40:30,755 --> 00:40:32,131 People love this music. 520 00:40:32,298 --> 00:40:35,634 It's ruled by the bass and drums 521 00:40:35,843 --> 00:40:38,178 and that's all we got right now. 522 00:40:39,597 --> 00:40:42,850 So it was a no-brainer. That's how we gravitated to reggae. 523 00:40:50,399 --> 00:40:52,943 We was able to find ourselves a booking agent 524 00:40:53,110 --> 00:40:55,614 and get on the road as Lambsbread. 525 00:40:58,866 --> 00:41:00,618 We love you people! 526 00:41:02,788 --> 00:41:05,373 So somebody say you wanna fire up some ganja! 527 00:41:08,292 --> 00:41:09,877 Fire the ganja? 528 00:41:24,726 --> 00:41:28,355 And we was actually glad that we had put down the name Death 529 00:41:28,563 --> 00:41:32,275 because we thought, okay, now that we got rid of that, you know, 530 00:41:32,359 --> 00:41:34,362 things are beginning to open up for us. 531 00:41:34,987 --> 00:41:38,323 Let them know it's true. Come on! 532 00:41:38,406 --> 00:41:40,742 That might've rubbed David the wrong way, 533 00:41:40,826 --> 00:41:44,288 'cause at first he didn't really take to the news 534 00:41:44,330 --> 00:41:47,165 that me and Bob was forming a reggae band. 535 00:41:50,795 --> 00:41:55,341 It was like, "Oh, well, those cats done abandoned rock 'n' roll." 536 00:41:55,383 --> 00:41:57,969 No, man, we were sitting back waiting for you to come, 537 00:41:58,010 --> 00:42:01,597 but you didn't come, so we had to busy ourselves with something. 538 00:42:02,265 --> 00:42:04,559 I don't think he was comfortable with the fact that 539 00:42:04,642 --> 00:42:07,728 we traded in our rock 'n' roll shoes for reggae. 540 00:42:08,729 --> 00:42:11,691 You know, in his eyes, we were still Death. 541 00:42:26,539 --> 00:42:31,503 When I was young, my father, he was a reggae musician. 542 00:42:31,879 --> 00:42:33,422 As a kid, that's all I knew... 543 00:42:33,505 --> 00:42:37,426 I just knew them as reggae musicians. And I just knew them as Lambsbread. 544 00:42:37,634 --> 00:42:40,679 We did the same thing that our mom and dad did for us. 545 00:42:40,721 --> 00:42:43,098 We just made music available to them. 546 00:42:43,182 --> 00:42:47,186 My Uncle Dannie taught me all the basics of drumming, 547 00:42:47,269 --> 00:42:48,353 which was really awesome. 548 00:42:48,395 --> 00:42:51,023 And I used to bring him behind the drum set, 549 00:42:51,106 --> 00:42:56,695 and I would put a stick in each of his hands and kind of move his hands for him. 550 00:42:56,737 --> 00:42:59,448 And then when Bob had his other sons... 551 00:43:03,161 --> 00:43:06,872 When they saw how Bobby played the drums, I guess, you know, 552 00:43:06,914 --> 00:43:08,582 all of them wanted to play the drums. 553 00:43:08,707 --> 00:43:12,337 Well, I was always, you know, influenced by my Uncle Dannie and Bobby, 554 00:43:12,420 --> 00:43:15,380 'cause, you know, he always had drums laying around the room 555 00:43:15,422 --> 00:43:17,217 and I kind of caught on to that. 556 00:43:17,258 --> 00:43:20,887 Yeah, my dad and uncle, they always had a very strong, 557 00:43:20,929 --> 00:43:22,764 serious musical connection, 558 00:43:22,931 --> 00:43:26,434 and that was something that made a profound impact on me. 559 00:43:26,517 --> 00:43:27,936 Bobby came to me one day and says, 560 00:43:28,019 --> 00:43:31,439 "Hey, man, you're turning all of my sons into drummers." 561 00:43:31,564 --> 00:43:33,274 You know? 562 00:43:37,779 --> 00:43:42,617 My Uncle Dave, he was really my... One of my favorite uncles. 563 00:43:42,909 --> 00:43:47,288 And he was just always so crazy and so out there and so out of the box. 564 00:43:47,956 --> 00:43:51,252 He just had the best sense of humor and the best laugh, 565 00:43:51,293 --> 00:43:52,961 and I used to love talking to him. 566 00:43:53,127 --> 00:43:57,258 You know? 'Cause he was just so lively and so funny, you know? 567 00:43:57,299 --> 00:43:58,884 He was like a child. 568 00:43:59,718 --> 00:44:04,890 The thing that was kind of sad was I never got to see him at his prime. 569 00:44:04,974 --> 00:44:08,018 I only... 'Cause he was... 570 00:44:08,102 --> 00:44:11,522 He really got into the bottle, he really got into alcohol. 571 00:44:11,647 --> 00:44:16,068 So most of the time that I saw him, he was always drunk. 572 00:44:16,151 --> 00:44:17,861 David thought... 573 00:44:17,945 --> 00:44:20,156 He's one of these genius types, man, you know? 574 00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:23,534 I mean, the demons get to you. You know what I mean? 575 00:44:24,034 --> 00:44:25,494 The demons get to you. 576 00:44:26,495 --> 00:44:29,666 And David was gonna do what he was gonna do. 577 00:44:31,834 --> 00:44:33,794 And he was hell-bent on that. 578 00:44:34,503 --> 00:44:37,007 And nobody was gonna mess with him. 579 00:44:37,632 --> 00:44:40,176 And the more that people tried to 580 00:44:41,260 --> 00:44:44,389 correct him, if you will, or change him, 581 00:44:45,432 --> 00:44:48,768 the worse it became, okay? 582 00:44:49,352 --> 00:44:51,061 He was a visionary. 583 00:44:51,478 --> 00:44:53,356 He had a plan, 584 00:44:53,398 --> 00:44:57,861 and that plan didn't go through the way he wanted it to. 585 00:44:57,944 --> 00:45:03,366 And I think part of his drinking then was from not being able to 586 00:45:03,533 --> 00:45:07,370 fully express what he wanted to do with his music and his art. 587 00:45:09,874 --> 00:45:13,543 This is part of the diary that David had started, 588 00:45:13,626 --> 00:45:15,880 and he's just talking about, 589 00:45:17,298 --> 00:45:19,966 uh, one day of his life. 590 00:45:20,967 --> 00:45:23,471 "Check the dreams that are in your mind. 591 00:45:23,554 --> 00:45:26,640 "Take a flight to see which ones are really there. 592 00:45:26,766 --> 00:45:30,143 "Open up your eyes and see the paradise of a dream. 593 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,272 "The world we know shall be no more." 594 00:45:35,316 --> 00:45:38,569 That was when David revealed that 595 00:45:39,487 --> 00:45:46,202 his music would not come forth until after he had left this earth. 596 00:45:47,913 --> 00:45:52,375 I think he was just feeling like he wanted to leave back then. 597 00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:54,627 He always was in another world, like, 598 00:45:54,752 --> 00:45:58,382 he just kept saying that he didn't wanna be here anymore. 599 00:46:13,647 --> 00:46:16,650 Hendrix. Uh, no, he was never an idol. 600 00:46:16,733 --> 00:46:19,027 He was like an influence to me. 601 00:46:20,112 --> 00:46:22,114 I don't have any idols, 602 00:46:22,197 --> 00:46:23,990 not on this earth. 603 00:46:24,074 --> 00:46:26,326 My idol is Jesus Christ. 604 00:46:26,410 --> 00:46:29,538 I follow him, until the day I die. 605 00:46:29,621 --> 00:46:35,002 And then show me how to get up to the orchestra, you know, 606 00:46:35,086 --> 00:46:37,629 that's gonna play in front of the throne of God. 607 00:46:37,671 --> 00:46:39,548 That's my destination. 608 00:46:40,632 --> 00:46:42,175 I wanna play 609 00:46:43,010 --> 00:46:45,012 in front of the throne 610 00:46:46,472 --> 00:46:48,098 of Almighty God. 611 00:46:56,982 --> 00:46:58,985 And the last time David was up here, 612 00:47:00,027 --> 00:47:02,405 the last thing he did, he filmed my wedding. 613 00:47:08,536 --> 00:47:11,330 All right, we at the church, here. 614 00:47:11,539 --> 00:47:13,583 And this is what it looks like inside. 615 00:47:18,212 --> 00:47:19,964 There go the groom. 616 00:47:23,469 --> 00:47:25,762 There go the bride 617 00:47:27,096 --> 00:47:28,514 and her dad. 618 00:47:33,353 --> 00:47:34,897 Look at Dannie. 619 00:47:36,355 --> 00:47:38,233 I had a conversation with my mother. 620 00:47:38,317 --> 00:47:40,486 She said, "You know what your brother David told me?" 621 00:47:41,069 --> 00:47:42,362 I said, "No, what'd he tell you?" 622 00:47:42,404 --> 00:47:44,531 "He said, 'When you get home, 623 00:47:46,366 --> 00:47:49,036 "'get ready to bury one of your sons."' 624 00:47:58,045 --> 00:48:01,507 And we noticed that he was frail 625 00:48:01,548 --> 00:48:03,176 and that he didn't look that good. 626 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,221 Hey, man. Hey, man. 627 00:48:10,058 --> 00:48:12,143 And we asked him, you know, "ls everything okay?" 628 00:48:12,227 --> 00:48:14,312 And he never said nothing to anybody. He... 629 00:48:14,395 --> 00:48:17,022 "Yeah, everything's okay. Everything's... I'm all right. I'm all right." 630 00:48:18,399 --> 00:48:20,735 I just wanted to say these words, 631 00:48:21,444 --> 00:48:24,364 'cause me and my brother Dannie have been through heaven together, 632 00:48:24,405 --> 00:48:25,698 we've been through hell together, 633 00:48:25,740 --> 00:48:29,536 we've been down in the ditch, we've been on the heights. 634 00:48:29,577 --> 00:48:31,955 We've got a great career as musicians, 635 00:48:32,038 --> 00:48:36,459 and we're well-respected here in the community and we thank God for that. 636 00:48:36,668 --> 00:48:39,671 But before Dave left my wedding, 637 00:48:39,754 --> 00:48:42,091 he brought all the Death master tapes 638 00:48:42,758 --> 00:48:44,092 and told Bob to hold them. 639 00:48:44,133 --> 00:48:47,845 He says, "One day the world's gonna come looking for this, 640 00:48:47,929 --> 00:48:50,057 "and I know that you will keep them." 641 00:48:57,606 --> 00:48:59,275 And I say, "Dave, I have enough tapes. 642 00:48:59,358 --> 00:49:00,693 "I got enough of our stuff, man." 643 00:49:00,776 --> 00:49:02,820 He says, "No." He says, "You gotta keep these." 644 00:49:03,195 --> 00:49:05,197 He says, "The world's gonna come looking for the Death stuff." 645 00:49:05,281 --> 00:49:08,075 And he says, "I know that you'll have it when they come looking for it." 646 00:49:14,373 --> 00:49:18,377 That was when he told us, he says, "Man, when y'all make it with this music," 647 00:49:18,877 --> 00:49:21,339 he says, "I'm not gonna be with you guys." 648 00:49:27,803 --> 00:49:30,181 When I hugged David before he left, 649 00:49:30,265 --> 00:49:33,559 David let me know that I wasn't gonna see him again. 650 00:49:47,657 --> 00:49:51,161 And then after he got back home, a few months later, 651 00:49:51,244 --> 00:49:53,663 we got a call from our brother Earl. 652 00:49:55,832 --> 00:49:58,835 You know, Earl said to me... 653 00:50:02,130 --> 00:50:04,174 He said, "He's dying, Bob." 654 00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:14,517 I remember that so well, like it was yesterday. 655 00:50:16,019 --> 00:50:17,313 I mean... 656 00:50:19,857 --> 00:50:22,359 "What do you mean David's dying?" 657 00:50:23,193 --> 00:50:27,406 David had a pretty advanced cigarette habit 658 00:50:28,074 --> 00:50:31,451 that eventually ended up taking a toll on his life. 659 00:50:33,412 --> 00:50:37,583 He says, "Yeah, Bob," he says, "he's got full-blown lung cancer." 660 00:50:38,376 --> 00:50:40,379 And that just floored me. 661 00:50:41,587 --> 00:50:44,423 Once he hit intensive care, man, it was... 662 00:50:47,843 --> 00:50:49,429 It was all over. 663 00:50:52,807 --> 00:50:54,183 David died, 664 00:50:55,559 --> 00:50:56,561 uh, 665 00:50:57,229 --> 00:50:59,439 day after my wife's birthday. 666 00:51:01,148 --> 00:51:05,821 Tammy's birthday is on the 8th of October, and I think David died on the 9th. 667 00:51:14,413 --> 00:51:17,416 I just put the tapes in a safe place. 668 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,002 I didn't think about them. 669 00:51:22,838 --> 00:51:25,298 I was thinking too much about David. 670 00:51:32,723 --> 00:51:36,519 When I eventually went to David's funeral in Detroit, 671 00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:38,937 I thought that, 672 00:51:38,979 --> 00:51:42,607 "I guess the Death thing is just gone with Dave." 673 00:51:50,699 --> 00:51:54,996 David's dream and the thing that he always said was consistent 674 00:51:55,371 --> 00:51:56,414 from day one. 675 00:51:56,456 --> 00:52:00,293 And he never wavered in the story, nor his dream. 676 00:52:01,169 --> 00:52:04,380 And so, yes, he did carry that all the way up till the end. 677 00:52:04,464 --> 00:52:08,634 My wife used to say that Dave was Dave when he was playing his guitar. 678 00:52:12,346 --> 00:52:17,311 If you wanted to see the real Dave, you gotta catch him playing his guitar. 679 00:52:17,894 --> 00:52:23,025 You know, David continued to write beautiful music, right on up until he died. 680 00:52:26,612 --> 00:52:28,154 This right here 681 00:52:28,821 --> 00:52:30,031 is, um, 682 00:52:30,823 --> 00:52:33,494 the last record that David made 683 00:52:34,328 --> 00:52:35,871 before he died. 684 00:52:36,330 --> 00:52:39,625 And, as you can see, his nickname was Rough Francis. 685 00:52:40,375 --> 00:52:42,961 You know, the name of the song 'vs I'd Be Your Doggie. 686 00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:46,381 And then it was backed by a song called 687 00:52:47,090 --> 00:52:48,884 We're Gonna Make It. 688 00:52:52,888 --> 00:52:56,100 And you know who plays on this? David did recruit, 689 00:52:56,351 --> 00:52:59,853 uh, myself and Dannie to help him 690 00:52:59,895 --> 00:53:02,397 on the tracks on this. 691 00:53:02,481 --> 00:53:05,193 So, you know, this is kind of like 692 00:53:06,443 --> 00:53:10,030 the last time that we really got together 693 00:53:10,072 --> 00:53:11,866 and made a recording. 694 00:53:29,592 --> 00:53:34,682 "Now the way that it's been, we've seen thick and thin, and dark days all around us." 695 00:53:34,723 --> 00:53:35,890 Um... 696 00:53:37,267 --> 00:53:40,562 "But now that it's over, let our love grow stronger. 697 00:53:42,063 --> 00:53:44,066 "Don't you cry now, 698 00:53:44,900 --> 00:53:46,067 "we're gonna make it. 699 00:53:46,609 --> 00:53:49,362 "Don't you cry now, we're gonna make it." 700 00:53:49,404 --> 00:53:51,448 I think that says it all. 701 00:53:51,949 --> 00:53:55,243 We stuck together through thick and thin for 22 years. 702 00:54:37,453 --> 00:54:41,791 Talk about record collecting, he says. Well, you go by hunches. 703 00:54:41,875 --> 00:54:43,709 I mean, I found this in a thrift store. 704 00:54:43,792 --> 00:54:46,671 Glenn Schwartz and the All Saved Freak Band, 705 00:54:46,755 --> 00:54:48,548 with a brain on the cover. 706 00:54:48,632 --> 00:54:51,009 I thought, "How can I not take this home?" 707 00:54:51,092 --> 00:54:55,305 And here's my favorite Christian ventriloquist, 708 00:54:55,388 --> 00:54:57,474 Marcy and Little Marcy. 709 00:54:57,557 --> 00:55:00,894 Don Bolles, formerly of the Germs, actually tracked her down 710 00:55:00,977 --> 00:55:03,396 and got one of the dolls a while back. 711 00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,983 Robbie The Werewolf is sort of self-explanatory. 712 00:55:07,067 --> 00:55:09,820 This is a regular old lounge guy, but... 713 00:55:13,156 --> 00:55:15,158 Somebody to haunt you in your dreams. 714 00:55:15,992 --> 00:55:20,498 Anyway, so when I saw the Death record, the single, 715 00:55:20,581 --> 00:55:23,708 Politicians In My Eyes, pop up on this one guy's list, 716 00:55:23,792 --> 00:55:25,294 buried in everything else. 717 00:55:25,336 --> 00:55:28,673 The "Northern Soul," as they call it, for ridiculous amounts of money. 718 00:55:28,756 --> 00:55:31,759 And there was this little record, Politicians In My Eyes, and I thought, 719 00:55:31,842 --> 00:55:34,011 "This looks interesting." 720 00:55:38,683 --> 00:55:41,228 I was interviewing Jello Biafra 721 00:55:41,311 --> 00:55:43,688 for a book that some friends of mine were writing 722 00:55:43,771 --> 00:55:46,190 about the history of band T-shirts. 723 00:55:46,607 --> 00:55:49,569 I know that Jello's a really huge punk collector. 724 00:55:49,653 --> 00:55:51,779 And this collector friend of mine said, 725 00:55:51,862 --> 00:55:54,532 "Jello supposedly has a box of the Death single." 726 00:55:56,868 --> 00:55:58,120 And I said, "What's the Death single?" 727 00:55:58,203 --> 00:56:01,580 He's like, "Oh, man, it's this all-black punk band from Detroit 728 00:56:01,664 --> 00:56:03,416 "and it's super hard to find." 729 00:56:07,546 --> 00:56:12,634 Das was a guy that I'd seen coming into the record store often. 730 00:56:12,718 --> 00:56:14,594 He never talked. He was always very quiet. 731 00:56:14,678 --> 00:56:16,179 But he would buy really cool records. 732 00:56:16,221 --> 00:56:18,765 "I got a record you might be interested in. I'll just give you a copy. 733 00:56:18,849 --> 00:56:22,561 "It's friends of mine that I knew back when I was... 734 00:56:22,602 --> 00:56:24,563 "You know, just got out of college." 735 00:56:24,604 --> 00:56:27,232 So I gave him a brand-new copy of the Death record and he just like, 736 00:56:27,274 --> 00:56:28,275 "Where'd you get that?" 737 00:56:28,568 --> 00:56:32,279 He says, "Hey, you know, my friends gave me these 45s, 738 00:56:32,362 --> 00:56:34,906 "and, uh, they told me to give them out to help promote their band, 739 00:56:34,948 --> 00:56:36,909 "and I never really got them out there. 740 00:56:36,993 --> 00:56:38,369 "But, you know, it's never too late. 741 00:56:38,411 --> 00:56:41,079 "So, you know, if you could take these home and give these a listen... 742 00:56:41,121 --> 00:56:42,581 "These guys were friends of mine." 743 00:56:44,250 --> 00:56:48,212 Don Schwenk, we met in 1976, 744 00:56:48,671 --> 00:56:52,091 when we were releasing those Death 45s. 745 00:56:52,759 --> 00:56:56,804 And David had commissioned Don to do the artwork. 746 00:56:56,929 --> 00:56:59,474 And he wanted a triangle in the clouds. 747 00:57:00,391 --> 00:57:02,268 But, you know, of course, they never had the money 748 00:57:02,310 --> 00:57:03,770 to follow through on any of the stuff, 749 00:57:03,811 --> 00:57:06,064 so, basically, I did all this artwork for them, 750 00:57:06,105 --> 00:57:08,984 but they couldn't pay me, so they traded me records. 751 00:57:09,068 --> 00:57:10,193 That's what happened. 752 00:57:12,111 --> 00:57:16,867 So now I got these clean copies of the Death 45 from Das. 753 00:57:18,619 --> 00:57:22,080 I left one on the counter here, and Ben Blackwell took that. 754 00:57:23,206 --> 00:57:26,251 So this 7-inch, it's a limited press, 755 00:57:26,293 --> 00:57:30,922 it's Detroit, it's punk rock, it's hard to find and not a lot of people know about it. 756 00:57:30,963 --> 00:57:35,052 I mean, this hits all of my checklist, you know, this is something meant for me. 757 00:57:35,135 --> 00:57:36,303 So there it is, 758 00:57:36,386 --> 00:57:38,472 Politicians In My Eyes, which is the A-side, 759 00:57:38,514 --> 00:57:41,600 and, uh, Keep On Knocking, which is the B-side. 760 00:57:43,352 --> 00:57:46,146 Later that night, another record collector 761 00:57:47,231 --> 00:57:49,608 told me the value of the record. 762 00:57:49,650 --> 00:57:51,527 He had heard of it, and I mentioned it to him. 763 00:57:51,610 --> 00:57:54,321 And he told me that, "Oh, you know, do you know what that thing's worth? 764 00:57:54,404 --> 00:57:55,824 "That's a really valuable record." 765 00:57:57,659 --> 00:58:00,702 So Matt Smith puts the 7-inch on eBay 766 00:58:00,786 --> 00:58:04,457 and he had it on eBay, "Buy It Now", 800 bucks. 767 00:58:08,961 --> 00:58:14,259 How I discovered the Death album was I saw an American unknown punk compilation, 768 00:58:14,342 --> 00:58:16,928 and Death was featured on Side B. 769 00:58:17,970 --> 00:58:21,349 I was completely blown away with such a great song, you know? 770 00:58:21,432 --> 00:58:24,227 I was asking myself, "Why was this band not known?" 771 00:58:24,310 --> 00:58:26,771 I knew I had to find that record. 772 00:58:29,232 --> 00:58:31,776 About a month after I had heard that compilation, 773 00:58:31,860 --> 00:58:34,737 I was eBaying and I noticed one for sale. 774 00:58:35,614 --> 00:58:37,365 And it was for $800. 775 00:58:38,241 --> 00:58:42,036 The old digs, Archer Record Pressing in Detroit, if they knew 776 00:58:42,078 --> 00:58:44,999 that something they pressed 30 years ago... 777 00:58:45,916 --> 00:58:49,335 Gosh, 35 almost, selling for 800 bucks. 778 00:58:51,088 --> 00:58:54,758 Why would anybody pay $800 for an old Keep On Knocking? 779 00:58:55,176 --> 00:58:58,595 I mean, if I had one, I would've gave the guy one. 780 00:59:03,851 --> 00:59:07,062 The idea of something that's been unheard, that excited me. 781 00:59:07,688 --> 00:59:10,357 This needs to come out. People need to hear this. This is important. 782 00:59:10,774 --> 00:59:12,985 I make some copies, I send them out 783 00:59:13,068 --> 00:59:15,946 to people that I know and to some people I don't know. 784 00:59:16,071 --> 00:59:20,201 One of the people I made a CD-R for was by the name of Henry Owings 785 00:59:20,242 --> 00:59:22,829 and he runs Chunklet magazine in Atlanta. 786 00:59:25,540 --> 00:59:27,249 And he posted them on Chunklet's website. 787 00:59:35,466 --> 00:59:39,262 Julian moves out to California and he is out there just, you know, 788 00:59:39,346 --> 00:59:42,057 traveling, hanging out with friends and stuff. 789 00:59:42,098 --> 00:59:45,100 And I had a friend, a roommate who, uh... 790 00:59:45,142 --> 00:59:48,188 She used to go to a lot of parties, and she used to go to all these parties, 791 00:59:48,271 --> 00:59:51,900 where these DJs would spin all these collectors' classics, 792 00:59:51,942 --> 00:59:55,195 and, you know, unheard of, just anomalies, 793 00:59:55,278 --> 00:59:58,365 and rare hidden gems and things like that. 794 00:59:58,448 --> 01:00:02,328 She came home one time, and was, like, just ranting and raving 795 01:00:02,411 --> 01:00:04,871 about all this new music that she had heard. 796 01:00:04,955 --> 01:00:08,166 And she wouldn't stop going on about this band Death. 797 01:00:15,757 --> 01:00:17,175 I did a little bit of research, 798 01:00:17,676 --> 01:00:21,305 and it didn't take long before I came across this website called Chunklet 799 01:00:22,098 --> 01:00:25,475 that Ben Blackwell had posted two songs. 800 01:00:35,152 --> 01:00:37,363 I heard that song, Politicians In My Eyes, 801 01:00:37,446 --> 01:00:39,907 and I heard my dad's voice, 802 01:00:39,991 --> 01:00:43,536 and it was unmistakable, unmistakably his. 803 01:00:52,379 --> 01:00:57,049 And it turns out that there were these three black brothers in Detroit in the '70s, 804 01:00:57,884 --> 01:00:59,469 by the name of Hackney. 805 01:01:00,846 --> 01:01:02,097 And I call up my dad. 806 01:01:06,393 --> 01:01:08,729 And he called me up and he says, "Dad, do you realize 807 01:01:09,271 --> 01:01:12,857 "that they're playing your music at underground parties here?" 808 01:01:13,149 --> 01:01:15,360 And I'm like, "Are you talking about Lambsbread?" 809 01:01:15,485 --> 01:01:17,696 You know, I thought he was talking about our current reggae band. 810 01:01:18,447 --> 01:01:21,158 And he says, "No, Dad." He says, "You were in a band in the '70s 811 01:01:21,492 --> 01:01:23,744 "from Detroit called Death." 812 01:01:23,827 --> 01:01:25,871 And then I just got quiet. 813 01:01:26,830 --> 01:01:30,877 You know, "Dad, were you in a band in the '70s called Death?" 814 01:01:31,461 --> 01:01:33,920 He says, "Politicians In My Eyes, Keep On Knocking?" 815 01:01:34,004 --> 01:01:35,714 And when he said that, I said, "That's us." 816 01:01:36,298 --> 01:01:37,884 I'm like, "Dad! 817 01:01:39,177 --> 01:01:40,553 "Why didn't you tell me?" 818 01:01:42,554 --> 01:01:44,056 And then my brother would call up me and be like, 819 01:01:44,097 --> 01:01:45,224 "Bobby, you're not gonna believe this. 820 01:01:45,308 --> 01:01:48,853 "Like, Dad and Uncle Dannie and Uncle Dave were in this band called Death." 821 01:01:48,895 --> 01:01:51,480 He was telling me about the music, about how amazing it was. 822 01:01:51,563 --> 01:01:55,360 It was like the best rock 'n' roll he's ever heard. 823 01:01:55,401 --> 01:01:58,780 And then I play the MP3 824 01:01:58,863 --> 01:02:00,406 and my jaw drops. 825 01:02:00,448 --> 01:02:01,574 Death! 826 01:02:10,167 --> 01:02:13,252 Like, I just couldn't believe what I was hearing. 827 01:02:13,294 --> 01:02:16,172 Like, my eyes started to tear up, 828 01:02:16,255 --> 01:02:20,052 the hairs were standing up on the back of my neck. 829 01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,220 I started shaking. 830 01:02:32,898 --> 01:02:35,609 I just couldn't believe it because once I heard it, 831 01:02:35,943 --> 01:02:39,279 I knew, I just knew it was them. I could feel it. 832 01:02:39,321 --> 01:02:42,282 I was like, "This is my dad and my two uncles." 833 01:02:51,542 --> 01:02:53,293 I was one of the first people to hear the record. 834 01:02:53,961 --> 01:02:57,340 And I could not believe, I like... it was unbelievable. 835 01:03:04,472 --> 01:03:07,350 It was raw punk, and I did not believe it at all. 836 01:03:07,767 --> 01:03:09,726 It was really a dream come true. 837 01:03:14,357 --> 01:03:18,528 I was like, "I can't believe that I know that I'm listening to 838 01:03:18,653 --> 01:03:21,823 "the best rock 'n' roll music I've ever heard, 839 01:03:21,865 --> 01:03:23,283 "and I'm the only person that knows about this. 840 01:03:23,324 --> 01:03:25,827 "I need..." Like, I started calling my friends. 841 01:03:26,119 --> 01:03:30,081 Bobby calls me up and he says... I didn't pick up, he left me a message. 842 01:03:30,165 --> 01:03:33,293 He says, "I gotta talk to you. I got some crazy news for you." 843 01:03:33,334 --> 01:03:37,423 And he said, "Yeah, you know, I found out that my dad was in kind of a protopunk band 844 01:03:37,506 --> 01:03:39,632 "in, like, the early, mid-'70s." And I was like, "What?" 845 01:03:39,674 --> 01:03:43,136 Then I made him a copy and told him to listen to it. 846 01:03:43,470 --> 01:03:45,764 And he had the same reaction I did. 847 01:03:45,890 --> 01:03:49,893 So I post on various message boards, punk rock message boards. 848 01:03:51,144 --> 01:03:54,523 And posted a long story about everything I knew about Death, 849 01:03:54,607 --> 01:03:58,276 put up links to the songs, and just wanted to share this, 'cause I said, 850 01:03:58,359 --> 01:04:00,029 "Other people need to hear these songs." 851 01:04:00,362 --> 01:04:03,657 That post circulated all over the Internet. 852 01:04:05,951 --> 01:04:09,955 To the point where it got the attention of Robert Manis, who is a record collector. 853 01:04:10,039 --> 01:04:14,960 I was still freaking out over that record, you know, I'd listen to it all the time. 854 01:04:16,796 --> 01:04:19,882 And I was just blogging. I typed in "Hackney Death," 855 01:04:20,382 --> 01:04:22,051 and this blog came up. 856 01:04:23,678 --> 01:04:27,181 So I dropped everything that I was doing, and I talked to, 857 01:04:27,223 --> 01:04:29,391 you know, a couple of the guys at Drag City. 858 01:04:32,729 --> 01:04:35,649 Well, we were talking to Robert Manis, 859 01:04:35,732 --> 01:04:40,737 and so Robert sent over some MP3s of the Death single. 860 01:04:41,821 --> 01:04:46,534 It's like '70s garage like you've never heard it before. 861 01:04:47,077 --> 01:04:52,082 Just made us really excited to wanna be involved with the record, if we could. 862 01:04:52,415 --> 01:04:56,253 So, naturally, the thought turned to, "Reissuing a single is cool, 863 01:04:56,294 --> 01:04:59,214 "but if there's more material of a similar nature, 864 01:04:59,798 --> 01:05:01,341 "then you can reissue an album." 865 01:05:01,424 --> 01:05:03,135 And that seemed to be 866 01:05:03,219 --> 01:05:05,680 the next question. ls there an album out there? 867 01:05:05,763 --> 01:05:07,847 Where are these guys? Do they still exist? 868 01:05:11,477 --> 01:05:13,271 Let's give thanks. 869 01:05:13,604 --> 01:05:15,855 Lord, we thank you for this food that we are about to receive 870 01:05:15,939 --> 01:05:19,735 and we thank you for our family and all that you do for us. 871 01:05:20,611 --> 01:05:22,655 In Jesus' name, we thank you. Amen. 872 01:05:23,406 --> 01:05:24,574 Amen. 873 01:05:24,615 --> 01:05:25,615 Amen. 874 01:05:30,413 --> 01:05:31,455 All right. 875 01:05:35,793 --> 01:05:39,839 What I do for a living is I work at St. Michael's College. 876 01:05:40,715 --> 01:05:43,343 I'm on the late-night maintenance crew. 877 01:05:53,020 --> 01:05:57,148 I've been able to give my kids the choice of going to college, through this job. 878 01:05:57,481 --> 01:05:59,901 I've been able to buy a house. 879 01:06:00,861 --> 01:06:05,531 To me, it's a good job that I can do while, uh... 880 01:06:05,615 --> 01:06:07,826 While I struggle as a musician. 881 01:06:09,828 --> 01:06:13,457 Getting the call from Drag City was really exciting, 882 01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,419 because every musician lives for that day, 883 01:06:17,502 --> 01:06:19,963 when you get the call from the record company. 884 01:06:21,006 --> 01:06:23,967 But after the excitement of that part wore off, 885 01:06:24,885 --> 01:06:29,723 you know, it's just bringing up a whole Wellspring of emotion. 886 01:06:31,392 --> 01:06:36,480 After starting a new band and after just creating a whole new life, all of a sudden, 887 01:06:36,521 --> 01:06:39,901 you know, something from your past just pulls you back. 888 01:06:39,984 --> 01:06:42,362 And says, "Hey, what about this?" 889 01:06:52,246 --> 01:06:55,041 This is where we store stuff. 890 01:06:56,918 --> 01:07:00,505 For years and years, most of the Death tapes were right here, 891 01:07:01,214 --> 01:07:04,175 in this little bin here. 892 01:07:05,635 --> 01:07:10,557 This is just the way it was on that day when Bobby called me up and said, 893 01:07:10,641 --> 01:07:13,851 "Dad, please tell me you have those master tapes." 894 01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:16,437 And they were sitting up here, 895 01:07:16,521 --> 01:07:18,065 just like this. 896 01:07:18,357 --> 01:07:20,943 I was in such a blur about everything. 897 01:07:21,318 --> 01:07:25,071 "I can't believe that I'm up here looking for the Death tape." 898 01:07:25,739 --> 01:07:30,369 You know, I mean, that within itself was so surreal for me. 899 01:07:32,578 --> 01:07:34,081 This right here 900 01:07:34,123 --> 01:07:38,752 is the original finish master tape 901 01:07:40,129 --> 01:07:45,092 that was recorded at United Sound's production studios. 902 01:07:46,176 --> 01:07:47,761 As you can see, 903 01:07:48,679 --> 01:07:51,557 that's my brother David's writing right there. 904 01:07:51,974 --> 01:07:55,769 And that was what he wanted to call the whole... The album, that's what he... 905 01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:58,314 "Death, For The Whole World To See." 906 01:07:59,524 --> 01:08:01,358 Course, he put his signature triangle, 907 01:08:02,651 --> 01:08:05,613 which basically represented the whole Death concept. 908 01:08:06,573 --> 01:08:09,701 This is the tape and this tape has been through 909 01:08:11,034 --> 01:08:12,453 quite a bit, you know? 910 01:08:12,494 --> 01:08:15,707 It's kind of, like, older than any of my children. 911 01:08:31,848 --> 01:08:34,976 Then, before I knew it, the album was released. 912 01:08:37,271 --> 01:08:39,690 So this is the album, right here. 913 01:08:39,981 --> 01:08:43,651 Released on Drag City Records, February 17th, 2009. 914 01:08:44,779 --> 01:08:46,739 After all these years... 915 01:08:46,822 --> 01:08:49,074 Three cats, three young dudes, 916 01:08:49,866 --> 01:08:52,327 who just love rock 'n' roll music. 917 01:08:53,370 --> 01:08:55,664 Imagine taking 35 years? 918 01:08:58,542 --> 01:09:00,503 It's... It's incredible. 919 01:09:02,129 --> 01:09:04,548 I don't know of a story like that. 920 01:09:06,008 --> 01:09:07,760 I don't know of one. 921 01:09:15,559 --> 01:09:17,562 When the album came out, 922 01:09:17,646 --> 01:09:19,939 I felt emotional, I felt happy. 923 01:09:20,356 --> 01:09:24,361 I was happy for us, that our music was finally getting recognized. 924 01:09:24,444 --> 01:09:27,030 I was sad, you know, because David was not here to see it. 925 01:09:27,072 --> 01:09:31,575 You know, he wanted to see something like that really significant happen. 926 01:09:31,659 --> 01:09:33,370 It's kind Of hard, 927 01:09:33,411 --> 01:09:38,833 when you talk about this, because you kind of hear Dave's voice in the back of your head. 928 01:09:40,794 --> 01:09:41,878 You know, he said it. 929 01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:45,590 He said the world's gonna come looking for this music one day. 930 01:09:45,674 --> 01:09:49,052 I'm still hearing in the back of my voice all the things Dave said, 931 01:09:49,094 --> 01:09:53,849 and they're coming true and, you know, it just feels weird. 932 01:09:59,437 --> 01:10:03,275 The album was released, but since nobody really heard... 933 01:10:03,358 --> 01:10:05,444 Not many people heard the Death album quite yet, 934 01:10:06,571 --> 01:10:10,657 what we decided to do, me, Julian and Urian, 935 01:10:10,740 --> 01:10:12,869 was pay tribute to Death 936 01:10:12,952 --> 01:10:17,039 by covering the album and, like, playing it live. 937 01:10:44,026 --> 01:10:46,485 The Death songs needed to have an audience 938 01:10:46,569 --> 01:10:49,363 and that's been too long, you know. It'd been 34 years 939 01:10:49,447 --> 01:10:51,950 since the songs had been heard by anybody. 940 01:10:55,953 --> 01:10:57,580 We did a lot of campaigning, you know? 941 01:10:57,622 --> 01:10:59,958 Like, we were out there spreading the word. 942 01:11:00,083 --> 01:11:04,129 We were almost like musical missionaries for Death, in a way. 943 01:11:09,885 --> 01:11:11,678 I remember the first show that we played. 944 01:11:11,762 --> 01:11:15,724 It was packed and people were just really excited and happy. 945 01:11:15,807 --> 01:11:21,146 It was like this rush of spiritual energy running through our veins. 946 01:11:21,605 --> 01:11:24,192 It was pretty much like speaking to Uncle Dave again. 947 01:11:24,275 --> 01:11:26,443 It was like saying, "Hey, what's up, Uncle Dave? How you doing?" 948 01:11:26,485 --> 01:11:27,653 Like, "I haven't seen you in a while." 949 01:11:27,736 --> 01:11:29,988 When we played those songs, that's what it felt like. 950 01:11:30,030 --> 01:11:32,200 It felt like he was there with us again. 951 01:11:33,326 --> 01:11:36,286 This whole set goes out to David Hackney. 952 01:11:36,995 --> 01:11:39,457 He was a beautiful man. We miss him. 953 01:11:40,917 --> 01:11:43,336 We were trying to think of names and Rough Francis came into play 954 01:11:43,419 --> 01:11:46,171 when Bobby was thinking about the, uh... 955 01:11:46,254 --> 01:11:49,342 That old 7-inch that my Uncle Dave put out as Rough Francis. 956 01:11:50,009 --> 01:11:53,346 I was like, "Perfect. Rough Francis. That's the name of this band." 957 01:11:53,388 --> 01:11:56,349 'Cause it's like this band is all happening because of Uncle Dave. 958 01:11:56,474 --> 01:11:59,310 Like, we're channeling his music, his energy, his art. 959 01:11:59,686 --> 01:12:01,396 It has to be called Rough Francis. 960 01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:05,984 So a few songs that you just heard, they're by a band called Death. 961 01:12:07,110 --> 01:12:10,321 And that band is our family. 962 01:12:10,864 --> 01:12:13,534 Our father, our uncle, and our other uncle. 963 01:12:14,242 --> 01:12:16,411 So we're just carrying the torch. 964 01:12:17,495 --> 01:12:20,416 And we're just very excited to be up here playing for you right now. 965 01:12:20,499 --> 01:12:21,500 Thank you so much. 966 01:12:51,865 --> 01:12:53,574 When we were playing one of the songs, 967 01:12:53,615 --> 01:12:56,326 I looked over and I saw my father and my mom, 968 01:12:56,410 --> 01:12:58,413 and they were both hugging and crying. 969 01:13:01,750 --> 01:13:05,085 They were both just so moved by it, you know? 970 01:13:05,627 --> 01:13:07,630 And that moved me, seeing them. 971 01:13:10,133 --> 01:13:15,722 Seeing my three boys on stage performing their dad's music, 972 01:13:15,764 --> 01:13:18,850 I was just so proud to be their mom, 973 01:13:18,933 --> 01:13:22,771 and it was just a wonderful night, and I will never forget it. 974 01:13:24,272 --> 01:13:26,107 Thanks a lot. We are Rough Francis. 975 01:13:30,154 --> 01:13:32,030 Rough Francis was really impressive. 976 01:13:32,113 --> 01:13:34,949 They were a real force on stage 977 01:13:35,033 --> 01:13:38,621 in performing 978 01:13:38,662 --> 01:13:42,248 their father's and uncles' music. 979 01:13:43,541 --> 01:13:47,546 I know my piece began with Bobby sort of beaming back at the bar. 980 01:13:47,963 --> 01:13:50,633 You know, he's got three of his sons on stage 981 01:13:50,716 --> 01:13:54,303 and his brother Dannie there, and his wife Tammy's there. 982 01:13:54,637 --> 01:13:56,847 And, I mean, it was like a family reunion. 983 01:13:57,389 --> 01:14:00,017 But the... You know, and the missing member is... 984 01:14:00,101 --> 01:14:02,770 Was his brother, David, who was then present... 985 01:14:02,812 --> 01:14:06,524 You know, whose presence was really felt through his music. 986 01:14:08,317 --> 01:14:11,445 I think for me, like, when I saw the story in The New York Times, 987 01:14:11,487 --> 01:14:14,657 it was pretty mind-blowing to see it on that scale. 988 01:14:15,407 --> 01:14:17,994 I was just blown away when that article actually came out. 989 01:14:18,036 --> 01:14:20,913 And there was like a picture, like, this big of Rough Francis. 990 01:14:21,330 --> 01:14:26,086 I was like, "Oh, my goodness, we're in The New York Times, like half the page." 991 01:14:26,461 --> 01:14:28,797 I've never heard from so many people. 992 01:14:28,839 --> 01:14:34,052 People's parents were saying they saw this, and, you know, like I said, my dentist. 993 01:14:37,681 --> 01:14:39,349 I had a buddy, Matt Sweeney, in New York City, 994 01:14:39,391 --> 01:14:41,351 and I think he saw an article in The Times or something. 995 01:14:41,434 --> 01:14:43,103 So he actually sent me a disk. 996 01:14:43,186 --> 01:14:44,646 And I was checking it out, and I was like, "Wow." 997 01:14:44,688 --> 01:14:46,898 You know, how did I not know about this? 998 01:14:46,982 --> 01:14:48,400 I was like, "Man, this is bad-ass." 999 01:14:49,026 --> 01:14:50,944 And it's just one of those great music stories. 1000 01:14:51,027 --> 01:14:53,280 It's one of those things that keeps you going to the record store, 1001 01:14:53,363 --> 01:14:55,323 hoping for another great story like that. 1002 01:14:55,365 --> 01:14:57,451 It's why you listen to music. 1003 01:14:57,535 --> 01:15:00,370 It instantly became a favorite record, you know? 1004 01:15:00,412 --> 01:15:05,126 It was sort of... it literally popped out of the speakers and it had an energy to it 1005 01:15:05,209 --> 01:15:08,337 and a musicianship that sort of blew my mind. 1006 01:15:08,962 --> 01:15:10,922 When I got to hearing Politicians In My Eyes, 1007 01:15:11,006 --> 01:15:15,052 it was like an immediate, like, "This is one of the greatest songs 1008 01:15:15,094 --> 01:15:16,512 "I have heard in quite some time." 1009 01:15:16,554 --> 01:15:19,181 And it really was quite an electrifying recording. 1010 01:15:19,514 --> 01:15:22,560 Ramones got all the glory for what this is right here. 1011 01:15:22,643 --> 01:15:25,605 And this is pretty much the Ramones, 1012 01:15:27,106 --> 01:15:28,273 but two years earlier. 1013 01:15:28,482 --> 01:15:32,695 There's no doubt on that record, there's only conviction. 1014 01:15:32,778 --> 01:15:34,739 There's only full-hearted conviction. 1015 01:15:34,864 --> 01:15:36,742 And that's really what 1016 01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:40,411 makes it rock 'n' roll. 1017 01:15:41,287 --> 01:15:46,126 When I heard it, I just couldn't believe that I 'd never heard it before. 1018 01:15:46,293 --> 01:15:48,920 It was the predecessor 1019 01:15:48,961 --> 01:15:52,549 of what punk became. 1020 01:15:52,591 --> 01:15:55,886 And that was what also compelled me 1021 01:15:56,428 --> 01:15:58,179 to really wanna search them out, 1022 01:15:58,262 --> 01:16:01,516 no matter, you know, how long it took me 1023 01:16:02,684 --> 01:16:04,686 to find somebody 1024 01:16:04,770 --> 01:16:06,396 who had a number for these guys. 1025 01:16:07,396 --> 01:16:11,610 Joey Ramone's brother, he ended up tracking me down, 1026 01:16:11,693 --> 01:16:14,780 and he invited Death and Rough Francis 1027 01:16:14,863 --> 01:16:18,033 to come play Joey Ramone's Annual Birthday Bash. 1028 01:16:18,116 --> 01:16:22,371 And I'm like, "Well, Mickey, you know, Death, they haven't really played any... 1029 01:16:22,454 --> 01:16:23,664 "They haven't played live yet. 1030 01:16:23,748 --> 01:16:25,959 "I don't even know if they would be into it." 1031 01:16:27,584 --> 01:16:29,586 And then I called my dad. 1032 01:16:30,045 --> 01:16:33,716 You know, at first, he didn't really know if he wanted to go forth with the project, 1033 01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:39,471 just because of all the emotional ties they have with it and, you know, 1034 01:16:39,555 --> 01:16:43,726 they always wanted to be really respectful to my Uncle Dave. 1035 01:16:43,977 --> 01:16:47,522 Yeah, we were very reluctant, because, you know, we didn't wanna... 1036 01:16:47,605 --> 01:16:50,483 We just didn't want to do it without David. 1037 01:16:50,817 --> 01:16:53,069 It actually took a few weeks 1038 01:16:54,279 --> 01:16:57,824 for us to really take this thing kind of serious, 1039 01:16:57,865 --> 01:17:02,328 because we had to answer the question about who's gonna play the guitar. 1040 01:17:03,998 --> 01:17:06,541 David said, "I don't leave any children in this world, 1041 01:17:06,624 --> 01:17:09,585 "you gotta remember my songs are my children." 1042 01:17:09,669 --> 01:17:14,883 You know, I'm committed to taking care of those children. 1043 01:17:16,009 --> 01:17:18,845 And at the time, we was working with Bobbie Duncan, 1044 01:17:18,886 --> 01:17:21,056 who we had found 1045 01:17:21,348 --> 01:17:23,726 to be a guitar player in Lambsbread. 1046 01:17:24,310 --> 01:17:26,060 As far as the look, he fits. 1047 01:17:26,144 --> 01:17:29,690 I mean... But should we throw this kind of a load on the dude? 1048 01:17:30,232 --> 01:17:31,525 Bobby says, like, "You know, 1049 01:17:31,567 --> 01:17:33,027 "Bob, something's happened," you know? 1050 01:17:34,486 --> 01:17:38,282 He was, like, you know, he didn't even seem like he could really, uh, 1051 01:17:38,365 --> 01:17:39,700 put it all together, man, but... 1052 01:17:39,742 --> 01:17:41,618 'Cause it was just, like, such a big thing to him. 1053 01:17:41,910 --> 01:17:44,455 He says, "Man, I hope you wanna do it, man," you know, and stuff. 1054 01:17:44,663 --> 01:17:46,749 And so I listened to the CD. 1055 01:17:46,832 --> 01:17:50,377 And he said, "Not only is the album awesome, man," he says, "but I'm gonna..." 1056 01:17:50,419 --> 01:17:53,048 He says, "I'm gonna try to do David justice. 1057 01:17:53,548 --> 01:17:57,217 "I'm gonna try to live up to the standard that he put down on that album." 1058 01:17:57,259 --> 01:18:00,305 And when we got together with Bobbie Duncan, we figured, 1059 01:18:00,388 --> 01:18:03,099 "Well, you know Keep On Knocking, that's kind of an easy tune. 1060 01:18:03,183 --> 01:18:06,477 "We could just, you know, throw that out there first 1061 01:18:06,895 --> 01:18:08,396 "and see what happens, you know." 1062 01:18:14,443 --> 01:18:16,988 We started playing the music. 1063 01:18:17,364 --> 01:18:22,327 We stopped. And Bobbie, he says, "Guys, did I do something wrong? 1064 01:18:22,410 --> 01:18:25,080 "If I did something wrong, I'm sorry." 1065 01:18:27,207 --> 01:18:30,210 And when we turned back around to answer Bobbie, 1066 01:18:30,251 --> 01:18:33,713 he saw that we both had tears streaming down our eyes. 1067 01:18:34,589 --> 01:18:37,133 Because he was playing it. 1068 01:18:45,016 --> 01:18:46,811 It sounded like Dave. 1069 01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:50,523 And I had to get up and leave out the studio. 1070 01:18:50,856 --> 01:18:52,607 Okay, I just took a 10-minute break. 1071 01:18:52,690 --> 01:18:56,445 I just, you know, went out there and did my crying on the side of the studio, 1072 01:18:56,487 --> 01:19:00,658 and I said, "I don't know what's going on here, Lord." I said a prayer. 1073 01:19:00,741 --> 01:19:05,037 I said, "I don't know what's going on here, Lord, but you gotta tell me how to walk. 1074 01:19:05,121 --> 01:19:06,747 "You gotta tell me how to walk." 1075 01:19:07,081 --> 01:19:09,959 That's when I realized it was more than just, like, playing guitar 1076 01:19:10,001 --> 01:19:12,586 and covering songs, or doing a gig, you know? 1077 01:19:12,628 --> 01:19:14,797 I realized this is a spiritual thing. 1078 01:19:14,839 --> 01:19:16,590 This is, you know, a deep thing. 1079 01:19:17,007 --> 01:19:19,636 You have to understand, at that session, 1080 01:19:19,678 --> 01:19:21,263 at that time... 1081 01:19:22,346 --> 01:19:24,306 That was the first time 1082 01:19:25,349 --> 01:19:27,561 that we had played that music 1083 01:19:31,313 --> 01:19:32,982 since about 1978. 1084 01:19:36,278 --> 01:19:38,405 Y'all ready? Here we go. 1085 01:19:39,573 --> 01:19:40,574 Death! 1086 01:20:07,018 --> 01:20:09,187 We have been working for the past five months 1087 01:20:09,228 --> 01:20:12,397 on rehearsal production for a Death tour. 1088 01:20:14,025 --> 01:20:17,195 That's gonna be the first time, uh, 1089 01:20:17,278 --> 01:20:20,238 in almost, uh, 35 years 1090 01:20:20,322 --> 01:20:23,409 that Death has played a show. 1091 01:20:24,243 --> 01:20:26,370 So we're excited about it. 1092 01:20:43,638 --> 01:20:44,889 Man, 1093 01:20:46,099 --> 01:20:48,560 I still feel like I'm in a dream. 1094 01:20:49,936 --> 01:20:51,687 Hey, fellas, for the whole world to see. 1095 01:20:52,563 --> 01:20:54,483 This is our first stop, 1096 01:20:54,566 --> 01:20:56,318 for the whole world. 1097 01:20:56,818 --> 01:20:59,654 This is our first stop for the whole world. 1098 01:21:00,906 --> 01:21:01,907 Love you, man. 1099 01:21:01,990 --> 01:21:03,492 Love you, too. 1100 01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:06,828 - There you go. - And that one's for Dave. 1101 01:21:07,079 --> 01:21:08,413 I love you, man. 1102 01:23:18,171 --> 01:23:19,422 Good night! 1103 01:23:23,969 --> 01:23:25,845 Thank you very much. 1104 01:23:46,282 --> 01:23:50,663 You know, I mean, really, we are enjoying this wonderful thing. 1105 01:23:50,746 --> 01:23:52,123 But, for us, 1106 01:23:52,498 --> 01:23:54,666 it's a beautiful thing and we're having a lot of fun, 1107 01:23:54,749 --> 01:23:58,421 but we do carry a tremendous burden with us, in that, um, 1108 01:23:58,462 --> 01:24:03,634 David had predicted all along that this music would catch on throughout the world. 1109 01:24:03,718 --> 01:24:06,929 That's one of the things, I think, that's really bittersweet with us, 1110 01:24:07,012 --> 01:24:09,515 is that he, um, 1111 01:24:09,598 --> 01:24:12,185 never got, physically, the opportunity to see 1112 01:24:12,686 --> 01:24:14,603 his prediction come true. 1113 01:24:15,980 --> 01:24:19,067 Thought nobody in the world would hear this one. 1114 01:24:19,109 --> 01:24:23,154 David always believed that the world would hear this music. 1115 01:24:25,531 --> 01:24:28,618 This whole thing is happening, not because of my faith, 1116 01:24:28,660 --> 01:24:31,872 but all this is happening because of Dave's faith. 1117 01:24:32,456 --> 01:24:34,791 Dave is the one who said all this stuff was gonna happen. 1118 01:24:34,833 --> 01:24:37,002 We told him he was dreaming. 1119 01:24:37,878 --> 01:24:42,299 But now we're living it, and that's what's making everything so strange. 1120 01:24:44,134 --> 01:24:45,343 You know? 1121 01:24:45,427 --> 01:24:47,053 It's like a movie. 1122 01:24:50,641 --> 01:24:53,477 And we are the unwitting stars of the movie. 1123 01:24:55,604 --> 01:24:56,605 You know? 1124 01:24:57,898 --> 01:24:59,317 And Dave is the director. 1125 01:25:00,485 --> 01:25:03,570 Even from his grave, he's directing the movie. 1126 01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:07,784 That's strange. 1127 01:25:43,069 --> 01:25:45,530 My mother, Majora Hackney... 1128 01:25:46,657 --> 01:25:49,785 She passed away last Tuesday. 1129 01:25:50,993 --> 01:25:54,540 And here we are taking this journey once again. 1130 01:25:57,709 --> 01:26:00,795 It's kind of reminiscent of the journey that I took in 2000, 1131 01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:04,633 after David had passed and we had to go to his funeral. 1132 01:26:09,388 --> 01:26:12,516 You know, the one thing that we're really thankful for is our mother 1133 01:26:12,558 --> 01:26:17,062 got to see the resurgence of Death 1134 01:26:17,145 --> 01:26:22,067 and that her sons really did make something out of all that loud music 1135 01:26:22,109 --> 01:26:24,736 we was playing upstairs all the time. 1136 01:26:29,324 --> 01:26:31,869 We all know why we're here. 1137 01:26:33,329 --> 01:26:36,541 This is the homecoming 1138 01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:41,254 of our dear, beloved Mother Hackney. 1139 01:26:43,590 --> 01:26:46,092 Family is everything to us. 1140 01:26:47,302 --> 01:26:50,221 'Cause without family, we wouldn't be here. 1141 01:26:50,805 --> 01:26:52,348 Without family, 1142 01:26:53,057 --> 01:26:57,187 we wouldn't have anything that we have. 1143 01:26:58,605 --> 01:27:02,317 Me and Moms used to kind of have a relationship 1144 01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:05,654 that was a little bit different from the rest of the brothers. 1145 01:27:05,738 --> 01:27:09,616 See, I went to my first Motown party with my mom. 1146 01:27:11,326 --> 01:27:12,327 Okay? 1147 01:27:12,619 --> 01:27:14,830 But then again, she taught me how to pray. 1148 01:27:14,955 --> 01:27:16,040 Amen. 1149 01:27:16,206 --> 01:27:19,834 She taught me how to ask God for what you want. 1150 01:27:21,003 --> 01:27:24,757 She taught me many things that I will never, ever forget. 1151 01:27:25,925 --> 01:27:29,845 My mother loved all of y'all. God bless you. Thank you for being here. 1152 01:27:41,398 --> 01:27:45,987 So I believe, unequivocally, the body ceases to exist, 1153 01:27:46,029 --> 01:27:50,824 or the body drops its spirit, and that spirit is what we really are. 1154 01:27:54,579 --> 01:27:57,706 David always said that. He said, "This isn't the final stop. This isn't... 1155 01:27:57,790 --> 01:28:01,670 "it's not over. This is just a..." He used to call this just a waiting room. 1156 01:28:03,004 --> 01:28:05,507 He said the world was one big waiting room. 1157 01:28:05,632 --> 01:28:09,427 Said some of us have left the waiting room and some of us are still here. 1158 01:28:19,521 --> 01:28:21,815 That's the way he looked at it. 1159 01:28:23,692 --> 01:28:24,819 Yeah. 1160 01:30:06,505 --> 01:30:10,301 Whenever I say Death, I think about my brother David. 1161 01:30:11,177 --> 01:30:13,303 He convinced us. 1162 01:30:17,391 --> 01:30:20,019 Not only did he convince us, but he... 1163 01:30:21,896 --> 01:30:27,527 He inspired us, because we had the chance to change the name. 1164 01:30:29,403 --> 01:30:35,576 And I think David was the prime example 1165 01:30:37,703 --> 01:30:39,498 of what the Lord said when he said, 1166 01:30:39,540 --> 01:30:44,669 "What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and to lose his soul?" 1167 01:30:47,673 --> 01:30:52,009 And David's music was his soul, and he never wavered on that. 1168 01:30:52,718 --> 01:30:54,512 And the chance came. 1169 01:30:56,014 --> 01:30:59,893 Change your name and I'll give you the world. 1170 01:31:02,855 --> 01:31:04,773 And David didn't waver. 1171 01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:11,572 And I'm proud of him, and I love him, and I honor him for that. 96757

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