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The New York Times,
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this past Sunday, there was an article about
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the first black punk rock group
called Death in the '70s.
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And they found these old recordings.
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And they have an album
that they put out now.
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They have pictures of these guys
back in the '70s. One of them died.
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And now I'm dying to hear
this fucking group's music.
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- Should be good.
- What were they called?
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They were called Death.
Death.
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The quick version
of the Death story is almost like the tease
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at the beginning of a movie trailer.
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Three black guys, in the '70s,
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from Detroit, Michigan, blood brothers.
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Three black cats from Detroit,
played heavy, punk, rock 'n' roll.
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It's pretty hard to
be black playing rock in Detroit.
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'Cause they were sort of stereotyped into...
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You had to be Motown, if you were black.
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Death's music was definitely
ahead of its time.
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They really predated
what we know as the punk movement.
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Nobody was making music like that in '73.
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They have to be properly credited
as being visionaries.
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You have a record
that is so perfect in its innovation,
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it makes it all the more shocking
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that it didn't manage to find a way
to come out then.
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They're kind of like the Unknown Soldiers
of rock.
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They were recordings
that were simply put away.
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There's been hardcore history sitting up
in that attic, and no one's known about it.
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Thirty years after the fact,
we're just now discovering this band
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that had been sort of lying in wait.
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It's such a great story and it's, uh...
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It's punk rock.
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Welcome to my neighborhood.
2240 Lillibridge.
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This is where Death was born.
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- This is our old friend...
- No.
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-...that we grew up with.
- This is Kathleen. She lives right here.
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- They telling the story about Death.
- Okay.
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- You remember Death.
- I'm still here.
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No!
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They telling the story about our old band
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that we used to drive you all crazy
with all of our loud music.
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Yeah, I remember that.
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I remember that, yes.
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Oh, yeah, there you go!
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David... David... You know what?
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But you know what?
That was my boy, though. That was my boy.
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He was all right.
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My name is Dannie Hackney.
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I played the drums, and I was born and raised
in the Motor City, Detroit, Michigan.
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Well, I remember when I...
You all were teenagers, uh...
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- That's right. That's very right.
- Yeah. Right, yeah?
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I'm Bobby Hackney.
I am a bass player.
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My parents, Earl Vonlee Hackney
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and Majora Florida Hackney,
two beautiful people.
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I was the youngest of, uh, four boys.
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Our oldest brother was Earl.
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David was born the second.
And then it was Dannie.
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And, um, I came along.
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I am indeed the eldest,
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and that was ingrained in them also,
because I'd say,
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"Never forget, I'm second in command
to Moms and Pop."
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Spirituality plays into our life
right from the beginning of our roots.
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You know, our dad was a Baptist minister.
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We're preacher's sons.
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Being a minister's kid
taught us the Word,
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from Genesis to Revelation.
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I mean, we all became versed in the Word.
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He always told us, you know,
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if you try your best in life
to keep your promise to God
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and give God time enough
to keep His promise to you.
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My old man instilled into us
to back up your brother.
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So all of our lives we grew up with this idea
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that, you know,
we gotta back up your brother.
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We made a pact with each other
that we would never fight,
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we would never do anything
to hurt each other.
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We were all close.
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I mean, we all were very, very close.
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Moms, you got so many
grandchildren, you can't keep up now.
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- I don't try.
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I got eight kids.
I'm proud of every one of them.
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- That's right. That's right.
- Love every one of them.
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- Your son, David...
- You're gonna see everybody came...
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I don't know what David's doing up there,
but there's a lot of good things going on
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in our lives, because of all his things.
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- Um, yeah.
-It is.
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Yeah, I know that out of... David...
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We talk about Dave all the time.
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- I know. You said... I know.
- You know, me and Viv, we talk about Dave.
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- Yeah.
- Some of the things he did.
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- Oh!
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I mean, we were kind of crazy kids.
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We thought of some games
that was really weird.
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I remember one time we was having
a squirt gun fight.
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You know, Dave hid behind the garage
and pissed in his.
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You know, just...
Just some of Dave's pranks, you know.
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David was kind of creative
when it comes to the...
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I mean, he would put together
some makeshift stuff
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that just would work that...
That you wouldn't believe.
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He took the telephone one time
and pulled wires and he pinched wires,
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and the next thing you know,
you pick up the phone, it's...
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Hello.
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And, you know, we actually have tapes of this.
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David used that to scare people.
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Uh, growing up in Detroit...
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it was just a... It was a great time.
It was that Motown time.
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You know, that real time when Motown
was churning out all those amazing hits.
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You know, it was just such a bustling town.
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Well, the presence of music,
that all started with my mom and dad.
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They were always music fans.
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- Just in right here,
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my mother used to have a little clock radio,
little gray radio right in that corner over there.
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Every morning we would sit at the table,
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eating breakfast, listening to CKLW.
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All right.
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- And they played everything.
- Mmm-hmm. Yeah, back in the day.
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Aretha Franklin, Bob Seger.
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And I'm thankful to my mom and dad,
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'cause they never held us back
from listening to music.
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They would always tell us,
"Enjoy everything."
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There's so many people
who brought music into the house.
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I mean, it was my dad who sat us down
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and made us watch the Beatles.
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The minute I saw Paul McCartney
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singing and playing that Beatle bass,
you know,
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I wanted to play bass and still wanted to sing.
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Then David tuned in to John Lennon
playing the guitar and...
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And it was David who rallied us to, you know,
be a band and get together and...
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And that made him the leader.
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That's your first drum.
This is my first drum.
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- What? Jesus Christ.
- Very first drum.
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Right here.
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So I used to put two knives,
two butter knives, on here
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to make it sound like a snare.
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One time we had some good luck
in our family
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and our mother got a settlement
from a car accident.
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And suddenly we had some money.
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And she gave us kind of a choice
of what we wanted to do.
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First thing we did was
went to Manny's Music, man.
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Manny's Music!
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I bought a Rickenbacker guitar
and a Fender guitar.
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David bought a brand-new Fender guitar.
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Bob went and bought himself
an acoustic amplifier,
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so I had to have the best drums I could find.
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I went and bought me
a Slingerland set of drums.
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I had a bass,
Dannie had some drums, David, his guitar.
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We started jamming together.
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Here we go.
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One, two, three, four!
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The first band
that we formed as brothers
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was called Rock Fire Funk Express.
'Cause at that time we wasn't sure
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whether we wanted to be a funk band
or a rock band.
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Rock with a fire, you know,
add a little funk in there
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and just keep on going, like an express.
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But then the Who came to town.
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And when Dave went down to see them,
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he was like, "That's it."
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You know, "We gotta play this music.
This is the music we gotta play."
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David, every time I would leave, man,
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he would have that stuff playing.
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He'd just be laying there, listening.
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And then I'd come back
and the same thing would be playing.
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You know, when I saw Alice Cooper,
it was like, you know, "All bets are off, man."
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To me, if we ain't playing this,
then I ain't gonna be having no fun.
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Rock 'n' roll just kind of...
We just kind of immersed ourselves in it.
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That's what David called it,
he said, "it's pure rock 'n' roll, man."
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Not like a lot...
You're gonna have your one hit,
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but the pure rock 'n' roll is what
they don't play over the radio, you know?
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That's what David always said.
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One, two, three, now!
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This is the room where Death was born.
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Look at this door, right here.
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Only something like this could come
from the mind of my brother.
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- That's David's thing, right there, man.
- Oh, yeah!
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We used to play.
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This was my station, over here.
David was right over here.
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And this was all Dannie' drums.
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And then we had our PAs.
We just gutted the whole room.
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And we just made it
into this little rock 'n' roll haven.
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If it wasn't for our mom...
She let us turn our whole entire room
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into a workroom for music.
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She got behind everything
we wanted to do.
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While I'm on camera, I'm gonna say,
"Thank you, Mom. Thank you."
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And she just made
an agreement with us.
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She said, "Hey, look, 3:00 to 6:00 is your time.
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"After 6:00, you gotta cut it off."
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All right now,
here we go. We're gonna get this right.
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One, two, three!
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David, he could practice for hours
and hours and hours, literally.
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He got to the point
to where he played along
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with just about every album
that was in our collection.
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So he was learning Queen,
he was learning the Who.
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David had a slogan. He said,
"if I could play chords like Peter Townsend
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"and play lead like Jimi Hendrix,
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"I am the ideal guitar player."
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David's amp was always positioned
right here, because he liked it like that...
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So he could, you know,
roust up the neighbors.
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And then there was like a... Some girls...
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We'd be practicing so loud,
that after we're done with a song,
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we could hear all this
loud knocking on the door.
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And that was them trying to get in.
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One day this transpired and David started
playing these riffs, you know?
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You know, we just came up with the words
right then and there, you know?
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-"Keep on knockin'."
-"Keep on knockin'," you know?
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And then they're playing in the house,
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and, oh, man, they were...
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They sent people down the street
holding their head.
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You know, we would start to practice
and the doors would slam
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and the cop cars would pull up,
because we know they called them on us.
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See, we grew up
in the black community, so...
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At that time people were tuning into, like,
groups like Earth, Wind and Fire.
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And, you know,
here we are in the middle of all of this
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playing rock 'n' roll.
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And, I mean, it was just...
it wasn't a rock 'n' roll culture.
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White boy music!
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I mean, the more people tried
to talk to us about changing,
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I think the deeper we went into rock 'n' roll.
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One, two, three, now!
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All of that is pure anger.
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We are fighting with the neighbors
to maintain our identity.
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And we would not be not heard,
especially with David.
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And people were running around,
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"Turn it down! Turn it down!"
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My dad, Earl V. Hackney, died.
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Though it was an accident,
I think it impressed us a lot in our lives
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from then on, when they described to us
how he died.
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He was an electric lineman,
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so his job was to climb up the poles,
fix the wires.
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I guess he had a trainee with him one night.
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And this trainee, I guess,
stuck his screwdriver in the wrong place.
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And he got shocked,
and it threw him off the pole.
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So my dad races down the pole, you know,
throws him in the back of the car...
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And they take off for the hospital.
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But just so happened, a bar was letting out.
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And there was a person
who was drunk behind the wheel
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and they swung right out in front of him.
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And he slammed right into her
and he died instantly.
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I mean, the last thing that he did
before he left this world was a noble deed.
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He was trying to help someone.
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I think when my dad died,
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it had really a big effect on David,
as it did all of us.
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Um, and David became obsessed
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with a lot of spirituality.
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Seeing our dad at a funeral,
I think really was for the first time
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that we was up close and personal with dying,
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and the fact that someone that you love...
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You're never gonna see this person
in this existence.
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And that, I think, had a big effect on all of us,
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but on David probably the most.
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Bobby was in school, I was at work.
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So when we get home, David says,
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"Man, I got this great, great new idea
for the name of the band."
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So he holds us in suspense.
Let's run up to the room
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and find out what this great name is
that David then came up with.
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We're waiting with much suspense.
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And as soon as he says,
"Yeah, this is the name, dude. Death."
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Death. Oh, man.
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So me and Bobby
just kind of looked at each other as if to say,
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"This dude's gone way off the deep end."
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I know what I would do
if somebody came up to me
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talking about their band,
the name of their band was Death.
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I'd be like, "You don't wanna...
No, I don't wanna hear it."
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But there again, that old thing
in the back of your head kicks in.
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"Back up your brother. Back up your brother."
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And David always said
that our name would have shock value.
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And we're like, "Why would you say that?"
He says, "Because death is real."
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He had so much conviction,
so much belief,
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until we just went along with it.
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And that was right around the spring of 1974.
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Yeah, that's when we became Death.
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Death!
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This picture right here was taken in 1975.
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And from our mother's back yard in Detroit.
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David looked up into the sky
and he saw a triangle.
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As you can see, there's a triangle right there.
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And also there's a face.
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David said that that was the face of God
watching over the triangle.
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And he used to tell us
that was a message to us, you know.
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Hey, this is what Dave was in tune to.
This is what he was all about.
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David wanted to
put a positive spin on death.
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It's kind of like birth.
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It's not a good or a bad thing, it's just a thing.
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Yeah, well, see,
this right here was David's concept.
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He calls it the death triangle.
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And what it basically means
is the three elements of life,
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which is spiritual, mental, physical.
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And this right here means
that's the guiding spirit.
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And that's what David said.
This right here is God.
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The stuff that used to come out
of his head was just so, you know,
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it was original, but, you know,
when you first heard it,
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it just sounded crazy.
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The ultimate trip.
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Death.
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David...
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Okay, since he's proclaiming
the leader of the band...
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We said, "David, we need a contract." Okay?
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So, well, David takes the yellow pages,
nails it to the wall
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and go gets a dart.
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He opens it to the music section,
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where you have all your producers
and music offices and...
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He opens the yellow pages,
nails it to the wall, takes the dart...
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And the dart lands
on Groovesville Productions.
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He said, "Those are the guys
we're gonna call."
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There's Groovesville Productions.
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I always remember these yellow bricks,
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'cause this is where the studio was.
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Now, Groovesville,
they were a production company
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that handled people like
Johnnie Taylor, The Dramatics.
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And their leader was Don Davis,
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who was just a Detroit music mogul.
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Hello. My name is Don Davis.
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I am a record producer.
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I am a music publisher.
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And I am a studio owner.
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And just more recently, I am the proud owner
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of First Independence National Bank.
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Maybe we should knock
on the door and just...
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Yeah.
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The Hackney brothers
came in to my office,
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because before you get to Don Davis,
the producer,
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you had to come through
the Groovesville office,
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which was my domain.
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Hey, how you doing?
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I met the Hackney brothers.
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And played me some demos
that I just thought were absolutely wonderful.
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This was Brian Spears' office,
wasn't it?
325
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This is the room where Death auditioned
for Brian Spears.
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- This is the room.
- Still got the original furniture.
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He had the tape... On this shelf...
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On this shelf
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he had the reel-to-reel tape.
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And Brian sat in this... At this desk.
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I was just blown away
by the energy of David Hackney.
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He just knew that this is what
their destiny was gonna be.
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Through a couple of auditions,
we ended up signing with them.
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And it just so happens
that they was running the stellar,
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legendary recording studio of Detroit
called United Sounds.
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I mean, if you were a musician in Detroit,
you knew about United Sounds.
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Let's see, I can tell you
the exact date they were in the studio.
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They were in the studio
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February the 18th,
it was a Wednesday, in 1975.
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"Death and Legacy are in the studio cutting."
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It's right here.
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We used to just love
to come here, man.
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This is where we spent
the entire summer of 1975.
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We spent it right around,
in and around this building,
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recording that Death album.
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The moment that that band
347
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fired up those instruments,
it was just amazing.
348
00:26:36,693 --> 00:26:37,694
One, two, three, now!
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00:26:46,828 --> 00:26:49,874
I think with every song that they played,
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the energy level
just kept growing and growing,
351
00:26:54,002 --> 00:26:56,214
because they just wanted to show
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every bit of talent that they had
on every song.
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00:27:16,067 --> 00:27:17,526
It was amazing to me,
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to see such young players
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have so much to say through their music.
356
00:27:51,770 --> 00:27:54,439
Course, we were the loudest thing
that they'd ever seen.
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00:27:54,481 --> 00:27:56,942
David, he went in there and he showed them
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-what his double-stacked Marshalls could do.
- Yeah.
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00:28:00,654 --> 00:28:03,573
And they were like, "Okay, we hear it.
360
00:28:03,991 --> 00:28:05,158
"Please turn it down."
361
00:28:06,661 --> 00:28:07,996
Exactly.
362
00:28:37,358 --> 00:28:40,153
Once we were pretty much happy
with the mixes,
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I grabbed Don Davis and I said to Don,
364
00:28:44,532 --> 00:28:47,286
"Look,you“.
You've gotta listen to these guys."
365
00:28:47,536 --> 00:28:52,457
I'm like, "Brian, have you lost your mind?
366
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:57,837
"Nobody is going to buy a song
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00:28:58,087 --> 00:29:01,382
"on a group called D-E-A-T-H.
368
00:29:03,302 --> 00:29:05,220
"What's the matter with you?"
369
00:29:05,387 --> 00:29:12,227
I know the name is
gonna be a drawback,
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00:29:12,853 --> 00:29:17,523
but, you know, I convinced Don
that on his next trip, we need to start
371
00:29:18,275 --> 00:29:20,319
showing the group around.
372
00:29:21,904 --> 00:29:26,910
We got turned down
by every major label in the UK.
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'Cause, I mean,
we had gotten a rejection letter
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00:29:31,622 --> 00:29:34,084
that said we tried all these labels.
375
00:29:34,167 --> 00:29:37,211
He says, "As far as I'm concerned,
don't even look anymore."
376
00:29:37,961 --> 00:29:41,006
He went all the way
pretty much around the world
377
00:29:41,090 --> 00:29:42,926
looking for a contract.
378
00:29:43,009 --> 00:29:44,761
Everybody turned us down.
379
00:29:44,844 --> 00:29:49,181
The name had really seemed
to be a roadblock.
380
00:29:53,937 --> 00:29:56,355
So I got this
381
00:29:56,897 --> 00:29:59,651
setting with Clive Davis.
382
00:30:00,777 --> 00:30:04,239
And it caused a very interesting stir,
383
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,491
because they were really focused
on this record,
384
00:30:06,574 --> 00:30:08,535
and they wanted to get involved in it.
385
00:30:08,618 --> 00:30:12,956
The first reaction was,
"Hey, this... You know, great stuff."
386
00:30:13,582 --> 00:30:17,377
Possibly we may be on the brink of a deal,
387
00:30:18,128 --> 00:30:20,004
but there's one sticking point.
388
00:30:20,338 --> 00:30:24,385
Clive Davis expressed
that he really didn't care
389
00:30:24,468 --> 00:30:26,219
for the name of the band.
390
00:30:26,302 --> 00:30:30,307
Brian had told us, he says,
"You guys might have a record deal, uh,
391
00:30:30,391 --> 00:30:33,269
"if you are willing to change the name."
392
00:30:36,354 --> 00:30:38,941
That sent David into another place,
393
00:30:39,233 --> 00:30:43,529
because he had his Death concept
and the concept went with the name
394
00:30:43,612 --> 00:30:47,533
and the band went with the concept,
and nothing could change!
395
00:30:47,867 --> 00:30:52,204
David, in no uncertain terms,
just said, "Tell Clive Davis to go to hell."
396
00:30:52,956 --> 00:30:57,751
Okay, so David, our illustrious leader,
turned the deal down.
397
00:31:03,049 --> 00:31:07,470
When that came out of David's mouth,
me and Bob had nothing coming out of ours.
398
00:31:08,137 --> 00:31:09,514
We were flabbergasted.
399
00:31:09,556 --> 00:31:14,935
Even though we didn't agree with it,
in public, back up your brother.
400
00:31:15,853 --> 00:31:18,857
But in private,
we had a bitter argument about that.
401
00:31:19,483 --> 00:31:22,777
"Listen, man, these guys wanna give us
a $20,000 contract."
402
00:31:22,861 --> 00:31:25,989
And in the '70s, you know,
that's a pretty big contract.
403
00:31:26,072 --> 00:31:28,450
We could've actually just went ahead
and changed the name.
404
00:31:28,533 --> 00:31:31,495
I mean, how many times
we gonna get a contract like this?
405
00:31:32,205 --> 00:31:34,372
And, you know, then Dave got mad at us.
406
00:31:37,626 --> 00:31:41,923
If we give them the title to our band,
407
00:31:42,673 --> 00:31:45,258
Dave said you might as well
give them everything else.
408
00:31:46,051 --> 00:31:49,055
He always believed in the music,
and I have to admit,
409
00:31:49,138 --> 00:31:51,641
a bit more than me or Bob did,
410
00:31:51,724 --> 00:31:55,227
because, you know,
we were willing to make concessions.
411
00:31:55,310 --> 00:31:57,730
Dave was absolutely not.
412
00:31:58,314 --> 00:32:03,235
And he stuck to his guns.
He stuck to his guns, man.
413
00:32:03,318 --> 00:32:06,405
Yeah, I would've changed it in a split second.
414
00:32:07,198 --> 00:32:08,908
Okay, I would have.
415
00:32:10,326 --> 00:32:14,497
But my spirit was telling me,
"Go with your brother."
416
00:32:18,918 --> 00:32:22,046
You know, we just went
in the office one day and...
417
00:32:22,088 --> 00:32:26,926
Brian told us that Don has decided
to put a release on us.
418
00:32:27,928 --> 00:32:31,806
David just stood there and calmly asked them,
he says, "Can I have the masters?"
419
00:32:34,100 --> 00:32:36,478
"Why not just give us our music
and let us walk?"
420
00:32:36,562 --> 00:32:38,814
And Brian said, "Hey, no problem."
421
00:32:38,897 --> 00:32:42,608
And I was able to
arrange to get the masters
422
00:32:42,733 --> 00:32:44,695
turned back over to the group.
423
00:32:44,778 --> 00:32:47,239
So we took those master tapes that he gave us
424
00:32:47,281 --> 00:32:51,994
and we printed up 50045s.
425
00:32:59,961 --> 00:33:01,587
And the reason
we pressed those 500,
426
00:33:01,628 --> 00:33:04,214
'cause we wanted to get radio airplay.
427
00:33:04,798 --> 00:33:08,970
And it was frustrating, because the rock
stations that we loved, they would play it,
428
00:33:09,053 --> 00:33:11,555
but very sporadically.
429
00:33:11,805 --> 00:33:15,643
We never could get them to play it enough
to really make a difference.
430
00:33:15,810 --> 00:33:18,104
And it would happen every time
we'd tell somebody.
431
00:33:18,187 --> 00:33:19,772
They'd say,
"Well, what's the name of the band?"
432
00:33:19,856 --> 00:33:21,523
And, you know, we'd kind of...
433
00:33:23,151 --> 00:33:26,988
Do one of those and then we'd tell them
the name of the band.
434
00:33:28,156 --> 00:33:31,326
And we'd get the same old reaction
that we were expecting to get.
435
00:33:32,577 --> 00:33:34,329
You know, rejection.
436
00:33:43,504 --> 00:33:46,884
We ended up having to
just kind of get rid of all of our equipment,
437
00:33:46,967 --> 00:33:48,886
'cause we needed money at the time.
438
00:33:48,969 --> 00:33:52,013
We gotta bail ourselves
out of a number of things.
439
00:33:52,722 --> 00:33:54,432
And what happened was,
440
00:33:54,515 --> 00:33:56,977
our distant relative,
his name was Donald Knight,
441
00:33:57,019 --> 00:33:59,979
he says, "Well, you know, why don't you guys
just come up to New England
442
00:34:00,021 --> 00:34:02,273
"for a couple of weeks, just clear your head?"
443
00:34:02,357 --> 00:34:03,567
We didn't even know
what he was talking about.
444
00:34:03,651 --> 00:34:05,402
We thought he was talking
about flying across the Atlantic.
445
00:34:05,486 --> 00:34:07,529
We're like, "New England?
What'd you do with the old one?"
446
00:34:07,613 --> 00:34:11,617
We took him up on that offer,
because basically there was nothing else
447
00:34:11,700 --> 00:34:13,494
left to do in Detroit.
448
00:34:36,226 --> 00:34:39,436
So we came up here
on a two-week vacation,
449
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,482
and we just never went back.
450
00:34:45,151 --> 00:34:46,569
We found apartments,
451
00:34:46,611 --> 00:34:49,613
and then we eventually
bought even musical gear.
452
00:34:52,325 --> 00:34:54,244
When we first got to Burlington,
453
00:34:54,285 --> 00:34:57,746
David, he wanted to introduce
the town to the band.
454
00:34:59,499 --> 00:35:01,251
Well, David went down the street.
455
00:35:01,459 --> 00:35:02,711
On each pole,
456
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,088
he put a Death poster.
457
00:35:05,547 --> 00:35:08,800
So I think he had
about 500 of them printed up.
458
00:35:09,134 --> 00:35:12,679
I mean, the cops must've just went
by every pole he was at
459
00:35:12,762 --> 00:35:15,891
and just grabbed them off,
'cause when the cop came to the door,
460
00:35:15,933 --> 00:35:19,436
he said, "This is a peaceful town,
461
00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:22,022
"and we don't have gangs here."
462
00:35:22,106 --> 00:35:24,608
That's when I said,
"Dave, you better come to the door, man.
463
00:35:24,650 --> 00:35:27,444
"They think you're about
to start a street gang."
464
00:35:27,610 --> 00:35:29,905
You know, he says,
"No, man, this is a musical group.
465
00:35:29,989 --> 00:35:31,198
"This is all about music."
466
00:35:31,282 --> 00:35:35,453
He says, "Well, if you wanna get anywhere
around here, you'll change that name."
467
00:35:40,666 --> 00:35:46,505
You know, after he left, I just closed the door
and I said "That's it, man. I'm just tired of it."
468
00:35:47,131 --> 00:35:51,343
I'm tired of the rejection,
I'm tired of the snide comments.
469
00:35:51,427 --> 00:35:52,803
I'm done With it.
470
00:35:53,889 --> 00:35:58,476
We just understood
that we tried our best with Death.
471
00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:03,148
We hung in there from '73 to 1980,
472
00:36:03,315 --> 00:36:06,525
dealing with rejection for our name,
rejection for our music,
473
00:36:06,650 --> 00:36:09,446
rejection for the fact that
we were black and playing rock 'n' roll,
474
00:36:09,529 --> 00:36:11,823
rejection for the fact
that our music was too fast,
475
00:36:11,907 --> 00:36:13,867
rejection for... So many rejections.
476
00:36:14,951 --> 00:36:19,039
David, he felt the rejection
as well as we did. I mean, he knew.
477
00:36:19,998 --> 00:36:23,335
I think it was David who came up
with the name 4th Movement.
478
00:36:24,002 --> 00:36:28,340
We didn't even listen to the concept
or why he came up with the name.
479
00:36:28,548 --> 00:36:31,676
It wasn't Death, so me and Bob
was just like, "Yeah, okay.
480
00:36:31,843 --> 00:36:32,886
"That's a good name."
481
00:36:48,568 --> 00:36:51,781
We just decided to take our rock 'n' roll sound
482
00:36:51,989 --> 00:36:53,574
and give it a spiritual concept.
483
00:37:28,067 --> 00:37:31,780
There was a campus newspaper
and the name of the article was,
484
00:37:31,905 --> 00:37:34,824
"Rock 'n' Roll, Hold The Religion, Please."
485
00:37:35,074 --> 00:37:37,369
And they were saying
how good the music was,
486
00:37:37,411 --> 00:37:41,540
but how they didn't like the religious
aspects that went along with it.
487
00:37:45,752 --> 00:37:48,380
After all the rejection that
we 'd been through with Death,
488
00:37:48,589 --> 00:37:51,091
there's this big old article
in The Cynic saying,
489
00:37:51,174 --> 00:37:53,802
"Nice music, hold the religion,"
with our picture by it.
490
00:37:54,928 --> 00:37:57,806
Dave took it really personally,
491
00:37:57,890 --> 00:38:01,269
and I think he had just got fed up
with the rejection, too.
492
00:38:01,352 --> 00:38:04,605
That's when the homesick
for Detroit thing started to brewing up.
493
00:38:04,897 --> 00:38:06,315
He wanted to go back to Detroit.
494
00:38:06,481 --> 00:38:10,111
He really, literally,
wanted to bottle up everything
495
00:38:10,194 --> 00:38:13,780
and take it with him, including us.
He wanted us to fold up.
496
00:38:13,906 --> 00:38:17,285
But at the time, I mean,
I had brought my wife, Tammy.
497
00:38:20,163 --> 00:38:24,334
And she had just had a little baby,
little Bobby.
498
00:38:29,505 --> 00:38:33,176
We just didn't wanna pack up
and go back to Detroit, you know?
499
00:38:34,218 --> 00:38:37,180
So David went back to Detroit.
500
00:38:47,482 --> 00:38:53,237
Well, lam Heidi Simpson,
and David Hackney was my late husband.
501
00:38:53,947 --> 00:38:55,156
Well, let me see.
502
00:38:55,281 --> 00:38:57,701
Well, we moved from
503
00:38:58,911 --> 00:39:01,955
Vermont to Detroit in 1982.
504
00:39:04,166 --> 00:39:06,126
He wasn't working at that time. I know that.
505
00:39:06,168 --> 00:39:11,840
He was staying at home
and playing his music to himself
506
00:39:13,133 --> 00:39:15,594
and trying to figure out
what he wanted to do himself.
507
00:39:16,011 --> 00:39:20,849
He just wasn't no typical working person
that, like, out there, doing the 9:00 to 5:00.
508
00:39:21,934 --> 00:39:23,727
And he was a dreamer.
509
00:39:24,186 --> 00:39:26,188
He liked, uh...
510
00:39:27,983 --> 00:39:30,359
He would sit out on the porch
and just look in the...
511
00:39:30,609 --> 00:39:33,487
In the clouds in the sky
512
00:39:33,821 --> 00:39:36,366
and make pictures out of the clouds.
513
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:50,379
We went for about two or three years
without a guitar player.
514
00:39:50,421 --> 00:39:53,675
Yeah, we would practice the same way
every day that we always did.
515
00:39:58,138 --> 00:40:02,517
'Cause we was always on the idea
that David would come back.
516
00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:08,607
As time went on, we finally realized,
"Well, maybe Dave's not coming back."
517
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:12,652
So me and Bob stayed here
and that's how Lambsbread was born.
518
00:40:27,001 --> 00:40:30,463
We looked at each other and said,
"Man, this is a no-brainer."
519
00:40:30,755 --> 00:40:32,131
People love this music.
520
00:40:32,298 --> 00:40:35,634
It's ruled by the bass and drums
521
00:40:35,843 --> 00:40:38,178
and that's all we got right now.
522
00:40:39,597 --> 00:40:42,850
So it was a no-brainer.
That's how we gravitated to reggae.
523
00:40:50,399 --> 00:40:52,943
We was able to find ourselves
a booking agent
524
00:40:53,110 --> 00:40:55,614
and get on the road as Lambsbread.
525
00:40:58,866 --> 00:41:00,618
We love you people!
526
00:41:02,788 --> 00:41:05,373
So somebody say
you wanna fire up some ganja!
527
00:41:08,292 --> 00:41:09,877
Fire the ganja?
528
00:41:24,726 --> 00:41:28,355
And we was actually glad that we
had put down the name Death
529
00:41:28,563 --> 00:41:32,275
because we thought, okay,
now that we got rid of that, you know,
530
00:41:32,359 --> 00:41:34,362
things are beginning to open up for us.
531
00:41:34,987 --> 00:41:38,323
Let them know it's true. Come on!
532
00:41:38,406 --> 00:41:40,742
That might've rubbed David
the wrong way,
533
00:41:40,826 --> 00:41:44,288
'cause at first he didn't really take to the news
534
00:41:44,330 --> 00:41:47,165
that me and Bob was forming a reggae band.
535
00:41:50,795 --> 00:41:55,341
It was like, "Oh, well,
those cats done abandoned rock 'n' roll."
536
00:41:55,383 --> 00:41:57,969
No, man, we were sitting back
waiting for you to come,
537
00:41:58,010 --> 00:42:01,597
but you didn't come,
so we had to busy ourselves with something.
538
00:42:02,265 --> 00:42:04,559
I don't think he was comfortable
with the fact that
539
00:42:04,642 --> 00:42:07,728
we traded in our rock 'n' roll shoes for reggae.
540
00:42:08,729 --> 00:42:11,691
You know, in his eyes, we were still Death.
541
00:42:26,539 --> 00:42:31,503
When I was young, my father,
he was a reggae musician.
542
00:42:31,879 --> 00:42:33,422
As a kid, that's all I knew...
543
00:42:33,505 --> 00:42:37,426
I just knew them as reggae musicians.
And I just knew them as Lambsbread.
544
00:42:37,634 --> 00:42:40,679
We did the same thing that our mom
and dad did for us.
545
00:42:40,721 --> 00:42:43,098
We just made music available to them.
546
00:42:43,182 --> 00:42:47,186
My Uncle Dannie taught me
all the basics of drumming,
547
00:42:47,269 --> 00:42:48,353
which was really awesome.
548
00:42:48,395 --> 00:42:51,023
And I used to bring him
behind the drum set,
549
00:42:51,106 --> 00:42:56,695
and I would put a stick in each of his hands
and kind of move his hands for him.
550
00:42:56,737 --> 00:42:59,448
And then when Bob had his other sons...
551
00:43:03,161 --> 00:43:06,872
When they saw how Bobby played the drums,
I guess, you know,
552
00:43:06,914 --> 00:43:08,582
all of them wanted to play the drums.
553
00:43:08,707 --> 00:43:12,337
Well, I was always, you know,
influenced by my Uncle Dannie and Bobby,
554
00:43:12,420 --> 00:43:15,380
'cause, you know, he always had
drums laying around the room
555
00:43:15,422 --> 00:43:17,217
and I kind of caught on to that.
556
00:43:17,258 --> 00:43:20,887
Yeah, my dad and uncle,
they always had a very strong,
557
00:43:20,929 --> 00:43:22,764
serious musical connection,
558
00:43:22,931 --> 00:43:26,434
and that was something that made
a profound impact on me.
559
00:43:26,517 --> 00:43:27,936
Bobby came to me one day and says,
560
00:43:28,019 --> 00:43:31,439
"Hey, man, you're turning
all of my sons into drummers."
561
00:43:31,564 --> 00:43:33,274
You know?
562
00:43:37,779 --> 00:43:42,617
My Uncle Dave, he was really my...
One of my favorite uncles.
563
00:43:42,909 --> 00:43:47,288
And he was just always so crazy
and so out there and so out of the box.
564
00:43:47,956 --> 00:43:51,252
He just had the best sense
of humor and the best laugh,
565
00:43:51,293 --> 00:43:52,961
and I used to love talking to him.
566
00:43:53,127 --> 00:43:57,258
You know? 'Cause he was just so lively
and so funny, you know?
567
00:43:57,299 --> 00:43:58,884
He was like a child.
568
00:43:59,718 --> 00:44:04,890
The thing that was kind of sad was
I never got to see him at his prime.
569
00:44:04,974 --> 00:44:08,018
I only... 'Cause he was...
570
00:44:08,102 --> 00:44:11,522
He really got into the bottle,
he really got into alcohol.
571
00:44:11,647 --> 00:44:16,068
So most of the time that I saw him,
he was always drunk.
572
00:44:16,151 --> 00:44:17,861
David thought...
573
00:44:17,945 --> 00:44:20,156
He's one of these genius types,
man, you know?
574
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:23,534
I mean, the demons get to you.
You know what I mean?
575
00:44:24,034 --> 00:44:25,494
The demons get to you.
576
00:44:26,495 --> 00:44:29,666
And David was gonna do
what he was gonna do.
577
00:44:31,834 --> 00:44:33,794
And he was hell-bent on that.
578
00:44:34,503 --> 00:44:37,007
And nobody was gonna mess with him.
579
00:44:37,632 --> 00:44:40,176
And the more that people tried to
580
00:44:41,260 --> 00:44:44,389
correct him, if you will, or change him,
581
00:44:45,432 --> 00:44:48,768
the worse it became, okay?
582
00:44:49,352 --> 00:44:51,061
He was a visionary.
583
00:44:51,478 --> 00:44:53,356
He had a plan,
584
00:44:53,398 --> 00:44:57,861
and that plan didn't go through
the way he wanted it to.
585
00:44:57,944 --> 00:45:03,366
And I think part of his drinking then
was from not being able to
586
00:45:03,533 --> 00:45:07,370
fully express what he wanted to do
with his music and his art.
587
00:45:09,874 --> 00:45:13,543
This is part of the diary
that David had started,
588
00:45:13,626 --> 00:45:15,880
and he's just talking about,
589
00:45:17,298 --> 00:45:19,966
uh, one day of his life.
590
00:45:20,967 --> 00:45:23,471
"Check the dreams that are in your mind.
591
00:45:23,554 --> 00:45:26,640
"Take a flight to see
which ones are really there.
592
00:45:26,766 --> 00:45:30,143
"Open up your eyes and see
the paradise of a dream.
593
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,272
"The world we know shall be no more."
594
00:45:35,316 --> 00:45:38,569
That was when David revealed that
595
00:45:39,487 --> 00:45:46,202
his music would not come forth
until after he had left this earth.
596
00:45:47,913 --> 00:45:52,375
I think he was just feeling
like he wanted to leave back then.
597
00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:54,627
He always was in another world, like,
598
00:45:54,752 --> 00:45:58,382
he just kept saying that
he didn't wanna be here anymore.
599
00:46:13,647 --> 00:46:16,650
Hendrix.
Uh, no, he was never an idol.
600
00:46:16,733 --> 00:46:19,027
He was like an influence to me.
601
00:46:20,112 --> 00:46:22,114
I don't have any idols,
602
00:46:22,197 --> 00:46:23,990
not on this earth.
603
00:46:24,074 --> 00:46:26,326
My idol is Jesus Christ.
604
00:46:26,410 --> 00:46:29,538
I follow him, until the day I die.
605
00:46:29,621 --> 00:46:35,002
And then show me how to get up
to the orchestra, you know,
606
00:46:35,086 --> 00:46:37,629
that's gonna play
in front of the throne of God.
607
00:46:37,671 --> 00:46:39,548
That's my destination.
608
00:46:40,632 --> 00:46:42,175
I wanna play
609
00:46:43,010 --> 00:46:45,012
in front of the throne
610
00:46:46,472 --> 00:46:48,098
of Almighty God.
611
00:46:56,982 --> 00:46:58,985
And the last time David was up here,
612
00:47:00,027 --> 00:47:02,405
the last thing he did, he filmed my wedding.
613
00:47:08,536 --> 00:47:11,330
All right, we at the church, here.
614
00:47:11,539 --> 00:47:13,583
And this is what it looks like inside.
615
00:47:18,212 --> 00:47:19,964
There go the groom.
616
00:47:23,469 --> 00:47:25,762
There go the bride
617
00:47:27,096 --> 00:47:28,514
and her dad.
618
00:47:33,353 --> 00:47:34,897
Look at Dannie.
619
00:47:36,355 --> 00:47:38,233
I had a conversation with my mother.
620
00:47:38,317 --> 00:47:40,486
She said, "You know what your brother
David told me?"
621
00:47:41,069 --> 00:47:42,362
I said, "No, what'd he tell you?"
622
00:47:42,404 --> 00:47:44,531
"He said, 'When you get home,
623
00:47:46,366 --> 00:47:49,036
"'get ready to bury one of your sons."'
624
00:47:58,045 --> 00:48:01,507
And we noticed that he was frail
625
00:48:01,548 --> 00:48:03,176
and that he didn't look that good.
626
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,221
Hey, man. Hey, man.
627
00:48:10,058 --> 00:48:12,143
And we asked him,
you know, "ls everything okay?"
628
00:48:12,227 --> 00:48:14,312
And he never said nothing to anybody. He...
629
00:48:14,395 --> 00:48:17,022
"Yeah, everything's okay. Everything's...
I'm all right. I'm all right."
630
00:48:18,399 --> 00:48:20,735
I just wanted to say these words,
631
00:48:21,444 --> 00:48:24,364
'cause me and my brother Dannie
have been through heaven together,
632
00:48:24,405 --> 00:48:25,698
we've been through hell together,
633
00:48:25,740 --> 00:48:29,536
we've been down in the ditch,
we've been on the heights.
634
00:48:29,577 --> 00:48:31,955
We've got a great career as musicians,
635
00:48:32,038 --> 00:48:36,459
and we're well-respected here
in the community and we thank God for that.
636
00:48:36,668 --> 00:48:39,671
But before Dave left my wedding,
637
00:48:39,754 --> 00:48:42,091
he brought all the Death master tapes
638
00:48:42,758 --> 00:48:44,092
and told Bob to hold them.
639
00:48:44,133 --> 00:48:47,845
He says, "One day the world's gonna
come looking for this,
640
00:48:47,929 --> 00:48:50,057
"and I know that you will keep them."
641
00:48:57,606 --> 00:48:59,275
And I say,
"Dave, I have enough tapes.
642
00:48:59,358 --> 00:49:00,693
"I got enough of our stuff, man."
643
00:49:00,776 --> 00:49:02,820
He says, "No."
He says, "You gotta keep these."
644
00:49:03,195 --> 00:49:05,197
He says, "The world's gonna come
looking for the Death stuff."
645
00:49:05,281 --> 00:49:08,075
And he says, "I know that you'll have it
when they come looking for it."
646
00:49:14,373 --> 00:49:18,377
That was when he told us, he says,
"Man, when y'all make it with this music,"
647
00:49:18,877 --> 00:49:21,339
he says, "I'm not gonna be with you guys."
648
00:49:27,803 --> 00:49:30,181
When I hugged David before he left,
649
00:49:30,265 --> 00:49:33,559
David let me know
that I wasn't gonna see him again.
650
00:49:47,657 --> 00:49:51,161
And then after he got back home,
a few months later,
651
00:49:51,244 --> 00:49:53,663
we got a call from our brother Earl.
652
00:49:55,832 --> 00:49:58,835
You know, Earl said to me...
653
00:50:02,130 --> 00:50:04,174
He said, "He's dying, Bob."
654
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:14,517
I remember that so well, like it was yesterday.
655
00:50:16,019 --> 00:50:17,313
I mean...
656
00:50:19,857 --> 00:50:22,359
"What do you mean David's dying?"
657
00:50:23,193 --> 00:50:27,406
David had a pretty advanced cigarette habit
658
00:50:28,074 --> 00:50:31,451
that eventually ended up
taking a toll on his life.
659
00:50:33,412 --> 00:50:37,583
He says, "Yeah, Bob," he says,
"he's got full-blown lung cancer."
660
00:50:38,376 --> 00:50:40,379
And that just floored me.
661
00:50:41,587 --> 00:50:44,423
Once he hit intensive care, man, it was...
662
00:50:47,843 --> 00:50:49,429
It was all over.
663
00:50:52,807 --> 00:50:54,183
David died,
664
00:50:55,559 --> 00:50:56,561
uh,
665
00:50:57,229 --> 00:50:59,439
day after my wife's birthday.
666
00:51:01,148 --> 00:51:05,821
Tammy's birthday is on the 8th of October,
and I think David died on the 9th.
667
00:51:14,413 --> 00:51:17,416
I just put the tapes in a safe place.
668
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,002
I didn't think about them.
669
00:51:22,838 --> 00:51:25,298
I was thinking too much about David.
670
00:51:32,723 --> 00:51:36,519
When I eventually went
to David's funeral in Detroit,
671
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:38,937
I thought that,
672
00:51:38,979 --> 00:51:42,607
"I guess the Death thing
is just gone with Dave."
673
00:51:50,699 --> 00:51:54,996
David's dream and the thing
that he always said was consistent
674
00:51:55,371 --> 00:51:56,414
from day one.
675
00:51:56,456 --> 00:52:00,293
And he never wavered in the story,
nor his dream.
676
00:52:01,169 --> 00:52:04,380
And so, yes, he did carry that all the way up
till the end.
677
00:52:04,464 --> 00:52:08,634
My wife used to say that Dave was Dave
when he was playing his guitar.
678
00:52:12,346 --> 00:52:17,311
If you wanted to see the real Dave,
you gotta catch him playing his guitar.
679
00:52:17,894 --> 00:52:23,025
You know, David continued to write
beautiful music, right on up until he died.
680
00:52:26,612 --> 00:52:28,154
This right here
681
00:52:28,821 --> 00:52:30,031
is, um,
682
00:52:30,823 --> 00:52:33,494
the last record that David made
683
00:52:34,328 --> 00:52:35,871
before he died.
684
00:52:36,330 --> 00:52:39,625
And, as you can see,
his nickname was Rough Francis.
685
00:52:40,375 --> 00:52:42,961
You know, the name of the song 'vs
I'd Be Your Doggie.
686
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:46,381
And then it was backed by a song called
687
00:52:47,090 --> 00:52:48,884
We're Gonna Make It.
688
00:52:52,888 --> 00:52:56,100
And you know who plays on this?
David did recruit,
689
00:52:56,351 --> 00:52:59,853
uh, myself and Dannie to help him
690
00:52:59,895 --> 00:53:02,397
on the tracks on this.
691
00:53:02,481 --> 00:53:05,193
So, you know, this is kind of like
692
00:53:06,443 --> 00:53:10,030
the last time that we really got together
693
00:53:10,072 --> 00:53:11,866
and made a recording.
694
00:53:29,592 --> 00:53:34,682
"Now the way that it's been, we've seen
thick and thin, and dark days all around us."
695
00:53:34,723 --> 00:53:35,890
Um...
696
00:53:37,267 --> 00:53:40,562
"But now that it's over,
let our love grow stronger.
697
00:53:42,063 --> 00:53:44,066
"Don't you cry now,
698
00:53:44,900 --> 00:53:46,067
"we're gonna make it.
699
00:53:46,609 --> 00:53:49,362
"Don't you cry now, we're gonna make it."
700
00:53:49,404 --> 00:53:51,448
I think that says it all.
701
00:53:51,949 --> 00:53:55,243
We stuck together
through thick and thin for 22 years.
702
00:54:37,453 --> 00:54:41,791
Talk about record collecting, he says.
Well, you go by hunches.
703
00:54:41,875 --> 00:54:43,709
I mean, I found this in a thrift store.
704
00:54:43,792 --> 00:54:46,671
Glenn Schwartz and the All Saved Freak Band,
705
00:54:46,755 --> 00:54:48,548
with a brain on the cover.
706
00:54:48,632 --> 00:54:51,009
I thought, "How can I not take this home?"
707
00:54:51,092 --> 00:54:55,305
And here's my favorite Christian ventriloquist,
708
00:54:55,388 --> 00:54:57,474
Marcy and Little Marcy.
709
00:54:57,557 --> 00:55:00,894
Don Bolles, formerly of the Germs,
actually tracked her down
710
00:55:00,977 --> 00:55:03,396
and got one of the dolls a while back.
711
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,983
Robbie The Werewolf is
sort of self-explanatory.
712
00:55:07,067 --> 00:55:09,820
This is a regular old lounge guy, but...
713
00:55:13,156 --> 00:55:15,158
Somebody to haunt you in your dreams.
714
00:55:15,992 --> 00:55:20,498
Anyway, so when I saw the Death record,
the single,
715
00:55:20,581 --> 00:55:23,708
Politicians In My Eyes,
pop up on this one guy's list,
716
00:55:23,792 --> 00:55:25,294
buried in everything else.
717
00:55:25,336 --> 00:55:28,673
The "Northern Soul," as they call it,
for ridiculous amounts of money.
718
00:55:28,756 --> 00:55:31,759
And there was this little record,
Politicians In My Eyes, and I thought,
719
00:55:31,842 --> 00:55:34,011
"This looks interesting."
720
00:55:38,683 --> 00:55:41,228
I was interviewing Jello Biafra
721
00:55:41,311 --> 00:55:43,688
for a book that
some friends of mine were writing
722
00:55:43,771 --> 00:55:46,190
about the history of band T-shirts.
723
00:55:46,607 --> 00:55:49,569
I know that Jello's
a really huge punk collector.
724
00:55:49,653 --> 00:55:51,779
And this collector friend of mine said,
725
00:55:51,862 --> 00:55:54,532
"Jello supposedly has a box
of the Death single."
726
00:55:56,868 --> 00:55:58,120
And I said, "What's the Death single?"
727
00:55:58,203 --> 00:56:01,580
He's like, "Oh, man, it's this all-black
punk band from Detroit
728
00:56:01,664 --> 00:56:03,416
"and it's super hard to find."
729
00:56:07,546 --> 00:56:12,634
Das was a guy that I'd seen
coming into the record store often.
730
00:56:12,718 --> 00:56:14,594
He never talked. He was always very quiet.
731
00:56:14,678 --> 00:56:16,179
But he would buy really cool records.
732
00:56:16,221 --> 00:56:18,765
"I got a record you might be interested in.
I'll just give you a copy.
733
00:56:18,849 --> 00:56:22,561
"It's friends of mine that
I knew back when I was...
734
00:56:22,602 --> 00:56:24,563
"You know, just got out of college."
735
00:56:24,604 --> 00:56:27,232
So I gave him a brand-new copy
of the Death record and he just like,
736
00:56:27,274 --> 00:56:28,275
"Where'd you get that?"
737
00:56:28,568 --> 00:56:32,279
He says, "Hey, you know,
my friends gave me these 45s,
738
00:56:32,362 --> 00:56:34,906
"and, uh, they told me to give them out
to help promote their band,
739
00:56:34,948 --> 00:56:36,909
"and I never really got them out there.
740
00:56:36,993 --> 00:56:38,369
"But, you know, it's never too late.
741
00:56:38,411 --> 00:56:41,079
"So, you know, if you could take these home
and give these a listen...
742
00:56:41,121 --> 00:56:42,581
"These guys were friends of mine."
743
00:56:44,250 --> 00:56:48,212
Don Schwenk, we met in 1976,
744
00:56:48,671 --> 00:56:52,091
when we were releasing those Death 45s.
745
00:56:52,759 --> 00:56:56,804
And David had commissioned Don
to do the artwork.
746
00:56:56,929 --> 00:56:59,474
And he wanted a triangle in the clouds.
747
00:57:00,391 --> 00:57:02,268
But, you know, of course,
they never had the money
748
00:57:02,310 --> 00:57:03,770
to follow through on any of the stuff,
749
00:57:03,811 --> 00:57:06,064
so, basically, I did all this artwork for them,
750
00:57:06,105 --> 00:57:08,984
but they couldn't pay me,
so they traded me records.
751
00:57:09,068 --> 00:57:10,193
That's what happened.
752
00:57:12,111 --> 00:57:16,867
So now I got these clean copies
of the Death 45 from Das.
753
00:57:18,619 --> 00:57:22,080
I left one on the counter here,
and Ben Blackwell took that.
754
00:57:23,206 --> 00:57:26,251
So this 7-inch, it's a limited press,
755
00:57:26,293 --> 00:57:30,922
it's Detroit, it's punk rock, it's hard to find
and not a lot of people know about it.
756
00:57:30,963 --> 00:57:35,052
I mean, this hits all of my checklist,
you know, this is something meant for me.
757
00:57:35,135 --> 00:57:36,303
So there it is,
758
00:57:36,386 --> 00:57:38,472
Politicians In My Eyes, which is the A-side,
759
00:57:38,514 --> 00:57:41,600
and, uh, Keep On Knocking,
which is the B-side.
760
00:57:43,352 --> 00:57:46,146
Later that night, another record collector
761
00:57:47,231 --> 00:57:49,608
told me the value of the record.
762
00:57:49,650 --> 00:57:51,527
He had heard of it, and I mentioned it to him.
763
00:57:51,610 --> 00:57:54,321
And he told me that, "Oh, you know,
do you know what that thing's worth?
764
00:57:54,404 --> 00:57:55,824
"That's a really valuable record."
765
00:57:57,659 --> 00:58:00,702
So Matt Smith puts the 7-inch on eBay
766
00:58:00,786 --> 00:58:04,457
and he had it on eBay,
"Buy It Now", 800 bucks.
767
00:58:08,961 --> 00:58:14,259
How I discovered the Death album was I saw
an American unknown punk compilation,
768
00:58:14,342 --> 00:58:16,928
and Death was featured on Side B.
769
00:58:17,970 --> 00:58:21,349
I was completely blown away
with such a great song, you know?
770
00:58:21,432 --> 00:58:24,227
I was asking myself,
"Why was this band not known?"
771
00:58:24,310 --> 00:58:26,771
I knew I had to find that record.
772
00:58:29,232 --> 00:58:31,776
About a month after I had heard
that compilation,
773
00:58:31,860 --> 00:58:34,737
I was eBaying and I noticed one for sale.
774
00:58:35,614 --> 00:58:37,365
And it was for $800.
775
00:58:38,241 --> 00:58:42,036
The old digs, Archer Record Pressing
in Detroit, if they knew
776
00:58:42,078 --> 00:58:44,999
that something they pressed 30 years ago...
777
00:58:45,916 --> 00:58:49,335
Gosh, 35 almost, selling for 800 bucks.
778
00:58:51,088 --> 00:58:54,758
Why would anybody pay $800
for an old Keep On Knocking?
779
00:58:55,176 --> 00:58:58,595
I mean, if I had one,
I would've gave the guy one.
780
00:59:03,851 --> 00:59:07,062
The idea of something
that's been unheard, that excited me.
781
00:59:07,688 --> 00:59:10,357
This needs to come out.
People need to hear this. This is important.
782
00:59:10,774 --> 00:59:12,985
I make some copies, I send them out
783
00:59:13,068 --> 00:59:15,946
to people that I know
and to some people I don't know.
784
00:59:16,071 --> 00:59:20,201
One of the people I made a CD-R for
was by the name of Henry Owings
785
00:59:20,242 --> 00:59:22,829
and he runs Chunklet magazine in Atlanta.
786
00:59:25,540 --> 00:59:27,249
And he posted them on Chunklet's website.
787
00:59:35,466 --> 00:59:39,262
Julian moves out to California
and he is out there just, you know,
788
00:59:39,346 --> 00:59:42,057
traveling, hanging out with friends and stuff.
789
00:59:42,098 --> 00:59:45,100
And I had a friend,
a roommate who, uh...
790
00:59:45,142 --> 00:59:48,188
She used to go to a lot of parties,
and she used to go to all these parties,
791
00:59:48,271 --> 00:59:51,900
where these DJs would spin
all these collectors' classics,
792
00:59:51,942 --> 00:59:55,195
and, you know, unheard of, just anomalies,
793
00:59:55,278 --> 00:59:58,365
and rare hidden gems and things like that.
794
00:59:58,448 --> 01:00:02,328
She came home one time, and was, like,
just ranting and raving
795
01:00:02,411 --> 01:00:04,871
about all this new music that she had heard.
796
01:00:04,955 --> 01:00:08,166
And she wouldn't stop going on
about this band Death.
797
01:00:15,757 --> 01:00:17,175
I did a little bit of research,
798
01:00:17,676 --> 01:00:21,305
and it didn't take long before I came across
this website called Chunklet
799
01:00:22,098 --> 01:00:25,475
that Ben Blackwell had posted two songs.
800
01:00:35,152 --> 01:00:37,363
I heard that song, Politicians In My Eyes,
801
01:00:37,446 --> 01:00:39,907
and I heard my dad's voice,
802
01:00:39,991 --> 01:00:43,536
and it was unmistakable, unmistakably his.
803
01:00:52,379 --> 01:00:57,049
And it turns out that there were these
three black brothers in Detroit in the '70s,
804
01:00:57,884 --> 01:00:59,469
by the name of Hackney.
805
01:01:00,846 --> 01:01:02,097
And I call up my dad.
806
01:01:06,393 --> 01:01:08,729
And he called me up and he says,
"Dad, do you realize
807
01:01:09,271 --> 01:01:12,857
"that they're playing your music
at underground parties here?"
808
01:01:13,149 --> 01:01:15,360
And I'm like,
"Are you talking about Lambsbread?"
809
01:01:15,485 --> 01:01:17,696
You know, I thought he was talking
about our current reggae band.
810
01:01:18,447 --> 01:01:21,158
And he says, "No, Dad."
He says, "You were in a band in the '70s
811
01:01:21,492 --> 01:01:23,744
"from Detroit called Death."
812
01:01:23,827 --> 01:01:25,871
And then I just got quiet.
813
01:01:26,830 --> 01:01:30,877
You know, "Dad, were you in a band
in the '70s called Death?"
814
01:01:31,461 --> 01:01:33,920
He says, "Politicians In My Eyes,
Keep On Knocking?"
815
01:01:34,004 --> 01:01:35,714
And when he said that, I said, "That's us."
816
01:01:36,298 --> 01:01:37,884
I'm like, "Dad!
817
01:01:39,177 --> 01:01:40,553
"Why didn't you tell me?"
818
01:01:42,554 --> 01:01:44,056
And then my brother would call up me
and be like,
819
01:01:44,097 --> 01:01:45,224
"Bobby, you're not gonna believe this.
820
01:01:45,308 --> 01:01:48,853
"Like, Dad and Uncle Dannie and Uncle Dave
were in this band called Death."
821
01:01:48,895 --> 01:01:51,480
He was telling me about the music,
about how amazing it was.
822
01:01:51,563 --> 01:01:55,360
It was like the best rock 'n' roll
he's ever heard.
823
01:01:55,401 --> 01:01:58,780
And then I play the MP3
824
01:01:58,863 --> 01:02:00,406
and my jaw drops.
825
01:02:00,448 --> 01:02:01,574
Death!
826
01:02:10,167 --> 01:02:13,252
Like, I just couldn't believe
what I was hearing.
827
01:02:13,294 --> 01:02:16,172
Like, my eyes started to tear up,
828
01:02:16,255 --> 01:02:20,052
the hairs were standing up
on the back of my neck.
829
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,220
I started shaking.
830
01:02:32,898 --> 01:02:35,609
I just couldn't believe it
because once I heard it,
831
01:02:35,943 --> 01:02:39,279
I knew, I just knew it was them. I could feel it.
832
01:02:39,321 --> 01:02:42,282
I was like,
"This is my dad and my two uncles."
833
01:02:51,542 --> 01:02:53,293
I was one of the first people
to hear the record.
834
01:02:53,961 --> 01:02:57,340
And I could not believe, I like...
it was unbelievable.
835
01:03:04,472 --> 01:03:07,350
It was raw punk,
and I did not believe it at all.
836
01:03:07,767 --> 01:03:09,726
It was really a dream come true.
837
01:03:14,357 --> 01:03:18,528
I was like, "I can't believe that
I know that I'm listening to
838
01:03:18,653 --> 01:03:21,823
"the best rock 'n' roll music I've ever heard,
839
01:03:21,865 --> 01:03:23,283
"and I'm the only person
that knows about this.
840
01:03:23,324 --> 01:03:25,827
"I need..." Like, I started calling my friends.
841
01:03:26,119 --> 01:03:30,081
Bobby calls me up and he says...
I didn't pick up, he left me a message.
842
01:03:30,165 --> 01:03:33,293
He says, "I gotta talk to you.
I got some crazy news for you."
843
01:03:33,334 --> 01:03:37,423
And he said, "Yeah, you know, I found out
that my dad was in kind of a protopunk band
844
01:03:37,506 --> 01:03:39,632
"in, like, the early, mid-'70s."
And I was like, "What?"
845
01:03:39,674 --> 01:03:43,136
Then I made him a copy and told him
to listen to it.
846
01:03:43,470 --> 01:03:45,764
And he had the same reaction I did.
847
01:03:45,890 --> 01:03:49,893
So I post on various message boards,
punk rock message boards.
848
01:03:51,144 --> 01:03:54,523
And posted a long story about everything
I knew about Death,
849
01:03:54,607 --> 01:03:58,276
put up links to the songs,
and just wanted to share this, 'cause I said,
850
01:03:58,359 --> 01:04:00,029
"Other people need to hear these songs."
851
01:04:00,362 --> 01:04:03,657
That post circulated all over the Internet.
852
01:04:05,951 --> 01:04:09,955
To the point where it got the attention
of Robert Manis, who is a record collector.
853
01:04:10,039 --> 01:04:14,960
I was still freaking out over that record,
you know, I'd listen to it all the time.
854
01:04:16,796 --> 01:04:19,882
And I was just blogging.
I typed in "Hackney Death,"
855
01:04:20,382 --> 01:04:22,051
and this blog came up.
856
01:04:23,678 --> 01:04:27,181
So I dropped everything that I was doing,
and I talked to,
857
01:04:27,223 --> 01:04:29,391
you know, a couple of the guys at Drag City.
858
01:04:32,729 --> 01:04:35,649
Well, we were
talking to Robert Manis,
859
01:04:35,732 --> 01:04:40,737
and so Robert sent over some MP3s
of the Death single.
860
01:04:41,821 --> 01:04:46,534
It's like '70s garage
like you've never heard it before.
861
01:04:47,077 --> 01:04:52,082
Just made us really excited to wanna be
involved with the record, if we could.
862
01:04:52,415 --> 01:04:56,253
So, naturally, the thought turned to,
"Reissuing a single is cool,
863
01:04:56,294 --> 01:04:59,214
"but if there's more material
of a similar nature,
864
01:04:59,798 --> 01:05:01,341
"then you can reissue an album."
865
01:05:01,424 --> 01:05:03,135
And that seemed to be
866
01:05:03,219 --> 01:05:05,680
the next question.
ls there an album out there?
867
01:05:05,763 --> 01:05:07,847
Where are these guys? Do they still exist?
868
01:05:11,477 --> 01:05:13,271
Let's give thanks.
869
01:05:13,604 --> 01:05:15,855
Lord, we thank you for this food
that we are about to receive
870
01:05:15,939 --> 01:05:19,735
and we thank you for our family
and all that you do for us.
871
01:05:20,611 --> 01:05:22,655
In Jesus' name, we thank you. Amen.
872
01:05:23,406 --> 01:05:24,574
Amen.
873
01:05:24,615 --> 01:05:25,615
Amen.
874
01:05:30,413 --> 01:05:31,455
All right.
875
01:05:35,793 --> 01:05:39,839
What I do for a living is
I work at St. Michael's College.
876
01:05:40,715 --> 01:05:43,343
I'm on the late-night maintenance crew.
877
01:05:53,020 --> 01:05:57,148
I've been able to give my kids the choice
of going to college, through this job.
878
01:05:57,481 --> 01:05:59,901
I've been able to buy a house.
879
01:06:00,861 --> 01:06:05,531
To me, it's a good job
that I can do while, uh...
880
01:06:05,615 --> 01:06:07,826
While I struggle as a musician.
881
01:06:09,828 --> 01:06:13,457
Getting the call from Drag City
was really exciting,
882
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,419
because every musician lives for that day,
883
01:06:17,502 --> 01:06:19,963
when you get the call
from the record company.
884
01:06:21,006 --> 01:06:23,967
But after the excitement of that part wore off,
885
01:06:24,885 --> 01:06:29,723
you know, it's just bringing up
a whole Wellspring of emotion.
886
01:06:31,392 --> 01:06:36,480
After starting a new band and after just
creating a whole new life, all of a sudden,
887
01:06:36,521 --> 01:06:39,901
you know, something from your past
just pulls you back.
888
01:06:39,984 --> 01:06:42,362
And says, "Hey, what about this?"
889
01:06:52,246 --> 01:06:55,041
This is where we store stuff.
890
01:06:56,918 --> 01:07:00,505
For years and years,
most of the Death tapes were right here,
891
01:07:01,214 --> 01:07:04,175
in this little bin here.
892
01:07:05,635 --> 01:07:10,557
This is just the way it was on that day
when Bobby called me up and said,
893
01:07:10,641 --> 01:07:13,851
"Dad, please tell me
you have those master tapes."
894
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:16,437
And they were sitting up here,
895
01:07:16,521 --> 01:07:18,065
just like this.
896
01:07:18,357 --> 01:07:20,943
I was in such a blur about everything.
897
01:07:21,318 --> 01:07:25,071
"I can't believe that I'm up here
looking for the Death tape."
898
01:07:25,739 --> 01:07:30,369
You know, I mean,
that within itself was so surreal for me.
899
01:07:32,578 --> 01:07:34,081
This right here
900
01:07:34,123 --> 01:07:38,752
is the original finish master tape
901
01:07:40,129 --> 01:07:45,092
that was recorded
at United Sound's production studios.
902
01:07:46,176 --> 01:07:47,761
As you can see,
903
01:07:48,679 --> 01:07:51,557
that's my brother David's writing right there.
904
01:07:51,974 --> 01:07:55,769
And that was what he wanted to call
the whole... The album, that's what he...
905
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:58,314
"Death, For The Whole World To See."
906
01:07:59,524 --> 01:08:01,358
Course, he put his signature triangle,
907
01:08:02,651 --> 01:08:05,613
which basically represented
the whole Death concept.
908
01:08:06,573 --> 01:08:09,701
This is the tape
and this tape has been through
909
01:08:11,034 --> 01:08:12,453
quite a bit, you know?
910
01:08:12,494 --> 01:08:15,707
It's kind of, like,
older than any of my children.
911
01:08:31,848 --> 01:08:34,976
Then, before I knew it,
the album was released.
912
01:08:37,271 --> 01:08:39,690
So this is the album, right here.
913
01:08:39,981 --> 01:08:43,651
Released on Drag City Records,
February 17th, 2009.
914
01:08:44,779 --> 01:08:46,739
After all these years...
915
01:08:46,822 --> 01:08:49,074
Three cats, three young dudes,
916
01:08:49,866 --> 01:08:52,327
who just love rock 'n' roll music.
917
01:08:53,370 --> 01:08:55,664
Imagine taking 35 years?
918
01:08:58,542 --> 01:09:00,503
It's... It's incredible.
919
01:09:02,129 --> 01:09:04,548
I don't know of a story like that.
920
01:09:06,008 --> 01:09:07,760
I don't know of one.
921
01:09:15,559 --> 01:09:17,562
When the album came out,
922
01:09:17,646 --> 01:09:19,939
I felt emotional, I felt happy.
923
01:09:20,356 --> 01:09:24,361
I was happy for us, that our music
was finally getting recognized.
924
01:09:24,444 --> 01:09:27,030
I was sad, you know,
because David was not here to see it.
925
01:09:27,072 --> 01:09:31,575
You know, he wanted to see
something like that really significant happen.
926
01:09:31,659 --> 01:09:33,370
It's kind Of hard,
927
01:09:33,411 --> 01:09:38,833
when you talk about this, because you kind of
hear Dave's voice in the back of your head.
928
01:09:40,794 --> 01:09:41,878
You know, he said it.
929
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:45,590
He said the world's gonna come
looking for this music one day.
930
01:09:45,674 --> 01:09:49,052
I'm still hearing in the back of my voice
all the things Dave said,
931
01:09:49,094 --> 01:09:53,849
and they're coming true
and, you know, it just feels weird.
932
01:09:59,437 --> 01:10:03,275
The album was released,
but since nobody really heard...
933
01:10:03,358 --> 01:10:05,444
Not many people heard
the Death album quite yet,
934
01:10:06,571 --> 01:10:10,657
what we decided to do, me, Julian and Urian,
935
01:10:10,740 --> 01:10:12,869
was pay tribute to Death
936
01:10:12,952 --> 01:10:17,039
by covering the album and, like,
playing it live.
937
01:10:44,026 --> 01:10:46,485
The Death songs
needed to have an audience
938
01:10:46,569 --> 01:10:49,363
and that's been too long, you know.
It'd been 34 years
939
01:10:49,447 --> 01:10:51,950
since the songs had been heard by anybody.
940
01:10:55,953 --> 01:10:57,580
We did a lot of campaigning,
you know?
941
01:10:57,622 --> 01:10:59,958
Like, we were out there spreading the word.
942
01:11:00,083 --> 01:11:04,129
We were almost like musical missionaries
for Death, in a way.
943
01:11:09,885 --> 01:11:11,678
I remember the first show that we played.
944
01:11:11,762 --> 01:11:15,724
It was packed and people
were just really excited and happy.
945
01:11:15,807 --> 01:11:21,146
It was like this rush
of spiritual energy running through our veins.
946
01:11:21,605 --> 01:11:24,192
It was pretty much like speaking
to Uncle Dave again.
947
01:11:24,275 --> 01:11:26,443
It was like saying, "Hey, what's up,
Uncle Dave? How you doing?"
948
01:11:26,485 --> 01:11:27,653
Like, "I haven't seen you in a while."
949
01:11:27,736 --> 01:11:29,988
When we played those songs,
that's what it felt like.
950
01:11:30,030 --> 01:11:32,200
It felt like he was there with us again.
951
01:11:33,326 --> 01:11:36,286
This whole set goes out to David Hackney.
952
01:11:36,995 --> 01:11:39,457
He was a beautiful man. We miss him.
953
01:11:40,917 --> 01:11:43,336
We were trying to think of names
and Rough Francis came into play
954
01:11:43,419 --> 01:11:46,171
when Bobby was thinking about the, uh...
955
01:11:46,254 --> 01:11:49,342
That old 7-inch that my Uncle Dave
put out as Rough Francis.
956
01:11:50,009 --> 01:11:53,346
I was like, "Perfect.
Rough Francis. That's the name of this band."
957
01:11:53,388 --> 01:11:56,349
'Cause it's like this band is
all happening because of Uncle Dave.
958
01:11:56,474 --> 01:11:59,310
Like, we're channeling his music,
his energy, his art.
959
01:11:59,686 --> 01:12:01,396
It has to be called Rough Francis.
960
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:05,984
So a few songs that you just heard,
they're by a band called Death.
961
01:12:07,110 --> 01:12:10,321
And that band is our family.
962
01:12:10,864 --> 01:12:13,534
Our father, our uncle, and our other uncle.
963
01:12:14,242 --> 01:12:16,411
So we're just carrying the torch.
964
01:12:17,495 --> 01:12:20,416
And we're just very excited to be up here
playing for you right now.
965
01:12:20,499 --> 01:12:21,500
Thank you so much.
966
01:12:51,865 --> 01:12:53,574
When we were
playing one of the songs,
967
01:12:53,615 --> 01:12:56,326
I looked over
and I saw my father and my mom,
968
01:12:56,410 --> 01:12:58,413
and they were both hugging and crying.
969
01:13:01,750 --> 01:13:05,085
They were both just so moved by it,
you know?
970
01:13:05,627 --> 01:13:07,630
And that moved me, seeing them.
971
01:13:10,133 --> 01:13:15,722
Seeing my three boys on stage
performing their dad's music,
972
01:13:15,764 --> 01:13:18,850
I was just so proud to be their mom,
973
01:13:18,933 --> 01:13:22,771
and it was just a wonderful night,
and I will never forget it.
974
01:13:24,272 --> 01:13:26,107
Thanks a lot. We are Rough Francis.
975
01:13:30,154 --> 01:13:32,030
Rough Francis was
really impressive.
976
01:13:32,113 --> 01:13:34,949
They were a real force on stage
977
01:13:35,033 --> 01:13:38,621
in performing
978
01:13:38,662 --> 01:13:42,248
their father's and uncles' music.
979
01:13:43,541 --> 01:13:47,546
I know my piece began with Bobby
sort of beaming back at the bar.
980
01:13:47,963 --> 01:13:50,633
You know, he's got three of his sons on stage
981
01:13:50,716 --> 01:13:54,303
and his brother Dannie there,
and his wife Tammy's there.
982
01:13:54,637 --> 01:13:56,847
And, I mean, it was like a family reunion.
983
01:13:57,389 --> 01:14:00,017
But the...
You know, and the missing member is...
984
01:14:00,101 --> 01:14:02,770
Was his brother, David,
who was then present...
985
01:14:02,812 --> 01:14:06,524
You know, whose presence was
really felt through his music.
986
01:14:08,317 --> 01:14:11,445
I think for me, like,
when I saw the story in The New York Times,
987
01:14:11,487 --> 01:14:14,657
it was pretty mind-blowing
to see it on that scale.
988
01:14:15,407 --> 01:14:17,994
I was just blown away
when that article actually came out.
989
01:14:18,036 --> 01:14:20,913
And there was like a picture, like,
this big of Rough Francis.
990
01:14:21,330 --> 01:14:26,086
I was like, "Oh, my goodness, we're in
The New York Times, like half the page."
991
01:14:26,461 --> 01:14:28,797
I've never heard from so many people.
992
01:14:28,839 --> 01:14:34,052
People's parents were saying they saw this,
and, you know, like I said, my dentist.
993
01:14:37,681 --> 01:14:39,349
I had a buddy,
Matt Sweeney, in New York City,
994
01:14:39,391 --> 01:14:41,351
and I think he saw an article
in The Times or something.
995
01:14:41,434 --> 01:14:43,103
So he actually sent me a disk.
996
01:14:43,186 --> 01:14:44,646
And I was checking it out,
and I was like, "Wow."
997
01:14:44,688 --> 01:14:46,898
You know, how did I not know about this?
998
01:14:46,982 --> 01:14:48,400
I was like, "Man, this is bad-ass."
999
01:14:49,026 --> 01:14:50,944
And it's just one of those great music stories.
1000
01:14:51,027 --> 01:14:53,280
It's one of those things that
keeps you going to the record store,
1001
01:14:53,363 --> 01:14:55,323
hoping for another great story like that.
1002
01:14:55,365 --> 01:14:57,451
It's why you listen to music.
1003
01:14:57,535 --> 01:15:00,370
It instantly became a favorite record,
you know?
1004
01:15:00,412 --> 01:15:05,126
It was sort of... it literally popped out
of the speakers and it had an energy to it
1005
01:15:05,209 --> 01:15:08,337
and a musicianship that sort of blew my mind.
1006
01:15:08,962 --> 01:15:10,922
When I got to hearing
Politicians In My Eyes,
1007
01:15:11,006 --> 01:15:15,052
it was like an immediate, like,
"This is one of the greatest songs
1008
01:15:15,094 --> 01:15:16,512
"I have heard in quite some time."
1009
01:15:16,554 --> 01:15:19,181
And it really was
quite an electrifying recording.
1010
01:15:19,514 --> 01:15:22,560
Ramones got all the glory
for what this is right here.
1011
01:15:22,643 --> 01:15:25,605
And this is pretty much the Ramones,
1012
01:15:27,106 --> 01:15:28,273
but two years earlier.
1013
01:15:28,482 --> 01:15:32,695
There's no doubt on that record,
there's only conviction.
1014
01:15:32,778 --> 01:15:34,739
There's only full-hearted conviction.
1015
01:15:34,864 --> 01:15:36,742
And that's really what
1016
01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:40,411
makes it rock 'n' roll.
1017
01:15:41,287 --> 01:15:46,126
When I heard it, I just
couldn't believe that I 'd never heard it before.
1018
01:15:46,293 --> 01:15:48,920
It was the predecessor
1019
01:15:48,961 --> 01:15:52,549
of what punk became.
1020
01:15:52,591 --> 01:15:55,886
And that was what also compelled me
1021
01:15:56,428 --> 01:15:58,179
to really wanna search them out,
1022
01:15:58,262 --> 01:16:01,516
no matter, you know, how long it took me
1023
01:16:02,684 --> 01:16:04,686
to find somebody
1024
01:16:04,770 --> 01:16:06,396
who had a number for these guys.
1025
01:16:07,396 --> 01:16:11,610
Joey Ramone's brother,
he ended up tracking me down,
1026
01:16:11,693 --> 01:16:14,780
and he invited Death and Rough Francis
1027
01:16:14,863 --> 01:16:18,033
to come play
Joey Ramone's Annual Birthday Bash.
1028
01:16:18,116 --> 01:16:22,371
And I'm like, "Well, Mickey, you know, Death,
they haven't really played any...
1029
01:16:22,454 --> 01:16:23,664
"They haven't played live yet.
1030
01:16:23,748 --> 01:16:25,959
"I don't even know if they would be into it."
1031
01:16:27,584 --> 01:16:29,586
And then I called my dad.
1032
01:16:30,045 --> 01:16:33,716
You know, at first, he didn't really know
if he wanted to go forth with the project,
1033
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:39,471
just because of all the emotional ties
they have with it and, you know,
1034
01:16:39,555 --> 01:16:43,726
they always wanted to be really respectful
to my Uncle Dave.
1035
01:16:43,977 --> 01:16:47,522
Yeah, we were very reluctant,
because, you know, we didn't wanna...
1036
01:16:47,605 --> 01:16:50,483
We just didn't want to do it without David.
1037
01:16:50,817 --> 01:16:53,069
It actually took a few weeks
1038
01:16:54,279 --> 01:16:57,824
for us to really take this thing kind of serious,
1039
01:16:57,865 --> 01:17:02,328
because we had to answer the question
about who's gonna play the guitar.
1040
01:17:03,998 --> 01:17:06,541
David said,
"I don't leave any children in this world,
1041
01:17:06,624 --> 01:17:09,585
"you gotta remember
my songs are my children."
1042
01:17:09,669 --> 01:17:14,883
You know, I'm committed to
taking care of those children.
1043
01:17:16,009 --> 01:17:18,845
And at the time,
we was working with Bobbie Duncan,
1044
01:17:18,886 --> 01:17:21,056
who we had found
1045
01:17:21,348 --> 01:17:23,726
to be a guitar player in Lambsbread.
1046
01:17:24,310 --> 01:17:26,060
As far as the look, he fits.
1047
01:17:26,144 --> 01:17:29,690
I mean... But should we throw
this kind of a load on the dude?
1048
01:17:30,232 --> 01:17:31,525
Bobby says, like,
"You know,
1049
01:17:31,567 --> 01:17:33,027
"Bob, something's happened," you know?
1050
01:17:34,486 --> 01:17:38,282
He was, like, you know, he didn't even
seem like he could really, uh,
1051
01:17:38,365 --> 01:17:39,700
put it all together, man, but...
1052
01:17:39,742 --> 01:17:41,618
'Cause it was just, like,
such a big thing to him.
1053
01:17:41,910 --> 01:17:44,455
He says, "Man, I hope you wanna do it, man,"
you know, and stuff.
1054
01:17:44,663 --> 01:17:46,749
And so I listened to the CD.
1055
01:17:46,832 --> 01:17:50,377
And he said, "Not only is the album awesome,
man," he says, "but I'm gonna..."
1056
01:17:50,419 --> 01:17:53,048
He says, "I'm gonna try to do David justice.
1057
01:17:53,548 --> 01:17:57,217
"I'm gonna try to live up to the standard
that he put down on that album."
1058
01:17:57,259 --> 01:18:00,305
And when we got together
with Bobbie Duncan, we figured,
1059
01:18:00,388 --> 01:18:03,099
"Well, you know Keep On Knocking,
that's kind of an easy tune.
1060
01:18:03,183 --> 01:18:06,477
"We could just, you know,
throw that out there first
1061
01:18:06,895 --> 01:18:08,396
"and see what happens, you know."
1062
01:18:14,443 --> 01:18:16,988
We started playing the music.
1063
01:18:17,364 --> 01:18:22,327
We stopped. And Bobbie, he says,
"Guys, did I do something wrong?
1064
01:18:22,410 --> 01:18:25,080
"If I did something wrong, I'm sorry."
1065
01:18:27,207 --> 01:18:30,210
And when we turned back around
to answer Bobbie,
1066
01:18:30,251 --> 01:18:33,713
he saw that we both had tears
streaming down our eyes.
1067
01:18:34,589 --> 01:18:37,133
Because he was playing it.
1068
01:18:45,016 --> 01:18:46,811
It sounded like Dave.
1069
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:50,523
And I had to get up and leave out the studio.
1070
01:18:50,856 --> 01:18:52,607
Okay, I just took a 10-minute break.
1071
01:18:52,690 --> 01:18:56,445
I just, you know, went out there
and did my crying on the side of the studio,
1072
01:18:56,487 --> 01:19:00,658
and I said, "I don't know
what's going on here, Lord." I said a prayer.
1073
01:19:00,741 --> 01:19:05,037
I said, "I don't know what's going on here,
Lord, but you gotta tell me how to walk.
1074
01:19:05,121 --> 01:19:06,747
"You gotta tell me how to walk."
1075
01:19:07,081 --> 01:19:09,959
That's when I realized
it was more than just, like, playing guitar
1076
01:19:10,001 --> 01:19:12,586
and covering songs, or doing a gig,
you know?
1077
01:19:12,628 --> 01:19:14,797
I realized this is a spiritual thing.
1078
01:19:14,839 --> 01:19:16,590
This is, you know, a deep thing.
1079
01:19:17,007 --> 01:19:19,636
You have to understand, at that session,
1080
01:19:19,678 --> 01:19:21,263
at that time...
1081
01:19:22,346 --> 01:19:24,306
That was the first time
1082
01:19:25,349 --> 01:19:27,561
that we had played that music
1083
01:19:31,313 --> 01:19:32,982
since about 1978.
1084
01:19:36,278 --> 01:19:38,405
Y'all ready? Here we go.
1085
01:19:39,573 --> 01:19:40,574
Death!
1086
01:20:07,018 --> 01:20:09,187
We have been working
for the past five months
1087
01:20:09,228 --> 01:20:12,397
on rehearsal production for a Death tour.
1088
01:20:14,025 --> 01:20:17,195
That's gonna be the first time, uh,
1089
01:20:17,278 --> 01:20:20,238
in almost, uh, 35 years
1090
01:20:20,322 --> 01:20:23,409
that Death has played a show.
1091
01:20:24,243 --> 01:20:26,370
So we're excited about it.
1092
01:20:43,638 --> 01:20:44,889
Man,
1093
01:20:46,099 --> 01:20:48,560
I still feel like I'm in a dream.
1094
01:20:49,936 --> 01:20:51,687
Hey, fellas, for the whole world to see.
1095
01:20:52,563 --> 01:20:54,483
This is our first stop,
1096
01:20:54,566 --> 01:20:56,318
for the whole world.
1097
01:20:56,818 --> 01:20:59,654
This is our first stop for the whole world.
1098
01:21:00,906 --> 01:21:01,907
Love you, man.
1099
01:21:01,990 --> 01:21:03,492
Love you, too.
1100
01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:06,828
- There you go.
- And that one's for Dave.
1101
01:21:07,079 --> 01:21:08,413
I love you, man.
1102
01:23:18,171 --> 01:23:19,422
Good night!
1103
01:23:23,969 --> 01:23:25,845
Thank you very much.
1104
01:23:46,282 --> 01:23:50,663
You know, I mean, really,
we are enjoying this wonderful thing.
1105
01:23:50,746 --> 01:23:52,123
But, for us,
1106
01:23:52,498 --> 01:23:54,666
it's a beautiful thing
and we're having a lot of fun,
1107
01:23:54,749 --> 01:23:58,421
but we do carry a tremendous burden
with us, in that, um,
1108
01:23:58,462 --> 01:24:03,634
David had predicted all along that this music
would catch on throughout the world.
1109
01:24:03,718 --> 01:24:06,929
That's one of the things, I think,
that's really bittersweet with us,
1110
01:24:07,012 --> 01:24:09,515
is that he, um,
1111
01:24:09,598 --> 01:24:12,185
never got, physically, the opportunity to see
1112
01:24:12,686 --> 01:24:14,603
his prediction come true.
1113
01:24:15,980 --> 01:24:19,067
Thought nobody in the world
would hear this one.
1114
01:24:19,109 --> 01:24:23,154
David always believed that
the world would hear this music.
1115
01:24:25,531 --> 01:24:28,618
This whole thing is happening,
not because of my faith,
1116
01:24:28,660 --> 01:24:31,872
but all this is happening
because of Dave's faith.
1117
01:24:32,456 --> 01:24:34,791
Dave is the one who said
all this stuff was gonna happen.
1118
01:24:34,833 --> 01:24:37,002
We told him he was dreaming.
1119
01:24:37,878 --> 01:24:42,299
But now we're living it, and that's what's
making everything so strange.
1120
01:24:44,134 --> 01:24:45,343
You know?
1121
01:24:45,427 --> 01:24:47,053
It's like a movie.
1122
01:24:50,641 --> 01:24:53,477
And we are the unwitting stars of the movie.
1123
01:24:55,604 --> 01:24:56,605
You know?
1124
01:24:57,898 --> 01:24:59,317
And Dave is the director.
1125
01:25:00,485 --> 01:25:03,570
Even from his grave, he's directing the movie.
1126
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:07,784
That's strange.
1127
01:25:43,069 --> 01:25:45,530
My mother, Majora Hackney...
1128
01:25:46,657 --> 01:25:49,785
She passed away last Tuesday.
1129
01:25:50,993 --> 01:25:54,540
And here we are taking
this journey once again.
1130
01:25:57,709 --> 01:26:00,795
It's kind of reminiscent of the journey
that I took in 2000,
1131
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:04,633
after David had passed
and we had to go to his funeral.
1132
01:26:09,388 --> 01:26:12,516
You know, the one thing that
we're really thankful for is our mother
1133
01:26:12,558 --> 01:26:17,062
got to see the resurgence of Death
1134
01:26:17,145 --> 01:26:22,067
and that her sons really did make something
out of all that loud music
1135
01:26:22,109 --> 01:26:24,736
we was playing upstairs all the time.
1136
01:26:29,324 --> 01:26:31,869
We all know why we're here.
1137
01:26:33,329 --> 01:26:36,541
This is the homecoming
1138
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:41,254
of our dear, beloved Mother Hackney.
1139
01:26:43,590 --> 01:26:46,092
Family is everything to us.
1140
01:26:47,302 --> 01:26:50,221
'Cause without family, we wouldn't be here.
1141
01:26:50,805 --> 01:26:52,348
Without family,
1142
01:26:53,057 --> 01:26:57,187
we wouldn't have anything that we have.
1143
01:26:58,605 --> 01:27:02,317
Me and Moms used to
kind of have a relationship
1144
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:05,654
that was a little bit different
from the rest of the brothers.
1145
01:27:05,738 --> 01:27:09,616
See, I went to my first Motown party
with my mom.
1146
01:27:11,326 --> 01:27:12,327
Okay?
1147
01:27:12,619 --> 01:27:14,830
But then again, she taught me how to pray.
1148
01:27:14,955 --> 01:27:16,040
Amen.
1149
01:27:16,206 --> 01:27:19,834
She taught me how to
ask God for what you want.
1150
01:27:21,003 --> 01:27:24,757
She taught me many things
that I will never, ever forget.
1151
01:27:25,925 --> 01:27:29,845
My mother loved all of y'all.
God bless you. Thank you for being here.
1152
01:27:41,398 --> 01:27:45,987
So I believe, unequivocally,
the body ceases to exist,
1153
01:27:46,029 --> 01:27:50,824
or the body drops its spirit,
and that spirit is what we really are.
1154
01:27:54,579 --> 01:27:57,706
David always said that.
He said, "This isn't the final stop. This isn't...
1155
01:27:57,790 --> 01:28:01,670
"it's not over. This is just a..."
He used to call this just a waiting room.
1156
01:28:03,004 --> 01:28:05,507
He said the world was one big waiting room.
1157
01:28:05,632 --> 01:28:09,427
Said some of us have left the waiting
room and some of us are still here.
1158
01:28:19,521 --> 01:28:21,815
That's the way he looked at it.
1159
01:28:23,692 --> 01:28:24,819
Yeah.
1160
01:30:06,505 --> 01:30:10,301
Whenever I say Death,
I think about my brother David.
1161
01:30:11,177 --> 01:30:13,303
He convinced us.
1162
01:30:17,391 --> 01:30:20,019
Not only did he convince us, but he...
1163
01:30:21,896 --> 01:30:27,527
He inspired us, because we had
the chance to change the name.
1164
01:30:29,403 --> 01:30:35,576
And I think David was the prime example
1165
01:30:37,703 --> 01:30:39,498
of what the Lord said when he said,
1166
01:30:39,540 --> 01:30:44,669
"What does it profit a man to gain
the whole world and to lose his soul?"
1167
01:30:47,673 --> 01:30:52,009
And David's music was his soul,
and he never wavered on that.
1168
01:30:52,718 --> 01:30:54,512
And the chance came.
1169
01:30:56,014 --> 01:30:59,893
Change your name and I'll give you the world.
1170
01:31:02,855 --> 01:31:04,773
And David didn't waver.
1171
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:11,572
And I'm proud of him, and I love him,
and I honor him for that.
96757
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