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They finally
identified who it was
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that burned down in the cell,
that was allegedly Thabo Bester.
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FOOTBALL, JOKES,
SINGING.. TILL HE DIED.
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...whose body was finally
been laid to rest.
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THE BODY, THE DECOY.
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WHOSE CHARRED REMAINS
WERE IN THAT CELL?
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FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR
THERE WAS NO NAME.
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OF COURSE, THERE WAS NO FACE.
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NOW WE HAD A NAME,
KATLEGO BERENG.
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His mother is in a total state.
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Completely emotional.
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The sad part is that
Katlego's family
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has been thinking that this man
has been missing all of this time.
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PEOPLE ARE ONLY
CONCENTRATING ON THE CASE,
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BUT NOT ON HOW MY SON DIED.
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TO FIND YOUR FAMILY
MEMBER'S BODY
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CHARRED BEYOND RECOGNITION
IN A PRISON CELL.
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Guy, the trauma.
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WHAT WAS IT LIKE
TO SEE THE BODY?
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IT WAS BAD.
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IT WAS BAD BECAUSE HE WAS BURNED
BEYOND RECOGNITION, YOU KNOW?
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IT ONLY TOOK A FEELING OF
A PARENT TO A CHILD TO SAY,
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"YES, THIS IS MY SON."
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If I can see him again
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I will still express
the same love.
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WE HAD KATLEGO WHEN WE WERE
TOO YOUNG, MONICA AND I.
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AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, WE LOST
TOUCH WHILE SHE WAS PREGNANT.
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BUT I MADE IT A POINT WHEN I STARTED
WORKING THAT I MUST LOOK FOR HIM.
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UP UNTIL I FOUND HIM IN 2008.
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WHAT WAS IT LIKE
TO BE REUNITED?
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IT WAS SO BEAUTIFUL, YOU
KNOW, KNOWING THAT, FINALLY,
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I'M UNITED WITH MY FIRST BORN.
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NOW I HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY
AS THE FATHER, YOU KNOW,
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TO HELP MONICA TO RAISE HIM.
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I WAS SAVING ONE
CHILD. KATLEGO BERENG.
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I DIDN'T REALISE HE
WAS YOUR ONLY CHILD.
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IT WAS ONLY KATLEGO BERENG. MM.
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FOR US, WE THOUGHT MAYBE,
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HE JUST WENT SOMEWHERE
TO LOOK FOR A JOB,
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HE JUST WANT TO, YOU
KNOW, TO SURPRISE US,
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AND HE WAS SOMEBODY WHO ALWAYS, YOU
KNOW, PUT SOMETHING ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
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AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, HE WAS
NO LONGER ACTIVE ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
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THEN MY WIFE SAID TO ME,
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"I'VE SEARCHED FOR HIM FOR
A WHILE ON SOCIAL MEDIA,
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I DON'T SEE HIM
POSTING ANYTHING."
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I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW,
FORESEE THE WORST.
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BUT I SAID, "AS RESPONSIBLE PARENTS
WE HAVE TO DO THE RIGHT THING."
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I THEN ENCOURAGED MONICA TO GO
AND OPEN A MISSING PERSON REPORT.
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Katlego Mpholo's family has
rejected the police report
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that says he collapsed in town
and was taken to hospital.
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HOW MUCH TIME WENT BY TO
THE TRUTHS BEING KNOWN?
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THAT, "HEY, THE PERSON WHO
ACTUALLY BURNT IN THAT CELL
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WAS NOT THABO BESTER."
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AND THOSE WHO KNEW
CHOSE TO IGNORE.
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BECAUSE THERE WERE
PEOPLE WHO KNEW.
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THIS WASN'T LEAKED TO
GROUNDUP BY AN INMATE.
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IT TOOK A FORMER
CONSTITUTIONAL COURT JUDGE
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TO BLOW THE LID ON THE STORY.
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JUDGE EDWIN CAMERON WAS
THE INITIAL WHISTLE-BLOWER
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THAT LED US DOWN THIS PATH.
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FROM THE BEGINNING,
MY EDITOR NATHAN,
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LET ME KNOW THAT OUR SOURCE
WAS JUSTICE EDWIN CAMERON.
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THE VERY FIRST RED
FLAG CAME WITHIN DAYS
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OF THE ALLEGED DEATH OF THABO
BESTER IN MANGAUNG MAXIMUM PRISON.
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AND THAT WAS THE
STRANGENESS OF IT.
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YOU DON'T EASILY COMMIT
SUICIDE BY SELF INCINERATION
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INSIDE THE MOST SECURE WING
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OF ONE THE THREE MOST SECURE
PRISONS IN SOUTH AFRICA.
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SO WE WERE ALERTED TO IT.
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WE WERE CONDUCTING
OUR INVESTIGATION.
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WE KEPT THE DEPARTMENT
OF CORRECTIONAL SERVICES
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AND THE MINISTER INFORMED.
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I WROTE TO BOTH THE NATIONAL
COMMISSIONER AND TO THE MINISTER.
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BUT NOTHING WAS HAPPENING.
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AND BY SEPTEMBER I STARTED
ALERTING NATHAN GEFFEN,
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FOUNDER/EDITOR OF GROUNDUP.
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ON THE 12TH OF OCTOBER I
SENT HIM THE FIRST LEAK.
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This astonishing story
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was uncovered by online
non-profit news agency GroundUp.
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I'm joined now by their
editor, Nathan Geffen.
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Why has it taken so
long for the authorities
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to make sure that that body that
was unrecognisable was indeed him?
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It really seems to be shambolic.
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They're failing to answer questions
that are of immense public interest.
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The Department of
Correctional Services
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surely has quite a bit of
egg on their face over this.
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And I think this is
incompetence or negligence
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or corruption of
the highest degree.
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I DID NOT HAVE CONFIDENCE
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THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF
CORRECTIONAL SERVICES, OR G4S,
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OR THE SAPS WOULD
MOUNT A VIGOROUS, SWIFT
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RESPONSIVE CAMPAIGN OF ACTION,
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AND I KNEW THAT WE HAD TO
INVOLVE INDEPENDENT MEDIA.
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JUSTICE CAMERON IS A
VERY IMPORTANT PERSON
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IN SOUTH AFRICAN SOCIETY.
HE'S CONTRIBUTED TREMENDOUSLY.
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AND HE'S CURRENTLY THE INSPECTING
JUDGE OF CORRECTIONAL SERVICES.
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SO HE'S THE HEAD OF THE
JUDICIAL INSPECTORATE, JICS,
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WHICH HAS A MANDATE
TO INVESTIGATE
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ANY UNNATURAL DEATHS
IN PRISON FACILITIES,
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TO OVERSEE THE
TREATMENT OF INMATES.
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WE ARE VERY CONCERNED WHEN WE
GET INFORMATION FROM PRISONERS.
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WE SEE PRISONERS AS BEING
OUR EARLY WARNING SYSTEM.
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I CONFERRED WITH
JUDGE NOKUTHULA DANISO
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OF THE FREE STATE HIGH COURT,
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WHO THE JUDGE PRESIDENT
HAD SENT TO MANGAUNG
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WHEN HE GOT A LETTER FROM ONE OF
THE PRISONERS RAISING THE ALARM,
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TELLING THIS INCREDIBLE STORY THAT
THABO BESTER HAD ACTUALLY ESCAPED.
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THERE WAS SOMETHING
VERY UNTOWARD HAPPENING.
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THE LITTLE MORSEL THAT MADE ME
THINK THAT HE'D ESCAPED WAS,
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I THINK THE MISSTEP THAT
DR MAGUDUMANA COMMITTED.
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WHICH WAS THAT SHE
WANTED THE BODY.
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TO DO AWAY WITH
IT, TO GET IT OUT.
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TO MAKE SURE THAT ITS DNA
WASN'T GOING TO TELL TALES.
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SOME ENTERPRISING CONSTABLE, WHO
DESERVES HONOUR, IN BLOEMFONTEIN,
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SAID, "I'M NOT RELEASING THE
BODY 'CAUSE I'M SUSPICIOUS."
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WHO ACTUALLY DID HIS JOB. AND
WENT TO ALERT HIS SUPERIOR
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ABOUT THIS STRANGE
PERSON WHO WAS CLAIMING,
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YOU KNOW, THE THIRD
BODY IN A ROW.
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YOU KNOW? BUY THAT MAN A BELLS.
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SHE DECIDED TO GO TO COURT.
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BIG MISTAKE.
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HE WAS ALREADY OUT BY THEN.
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WHEN SHE WENT TO COURT, SHE
WROTE AN AFFIDAVIT FULL OF LIES.
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LIES ABOUT HOW SHE MET THABO BESTER,
LIES ABOUT WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP WAS.
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LIES ABOUT EVERY DETAIL.
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WHEN WE GOT HOLD
OF THAT AFFIDAVIT,
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ALL THE LOOSE THREADS
STARTED COMING APART.
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I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED
THE HAWKS, THE SAPS,
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THE DEPARTMENT, AND G4S
TO SPRING INTO ACTION,
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TO FOLLOW UP, WHERE
WAS THABO BESTER?
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WHO WAS THIS DR MAGUDUMANA?
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IF YOU FIND OUT
WHERE SHE'S RESIDING,
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"HEY, PRESTO, MIRACLE.
HERE'S THABO BESTER."
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SO MANGUANG CORRECTIONAL CENTRE IS
A PRIVATE PRISON OPERATED BY G4S.
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G4S IS A MULTI-NATIONAL
SECURITY COMPANY.
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THEY'RE MASSIVE.
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THEY EMPLOY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
OF PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
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THEY'RE NOT JUST IN THE
PRIVATE PRISONS' SPACE,
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THEY'RE ALSO IN THE
PRIVATE SECURITY SPACE,
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THEY IN THE CASH
IN TRANSIT SPACE.
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THEY'VE GOT A BIT OF A SKETCHY
TRACK RECORD INTERNATIONALLY.
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SOME OF THEIR PRISONS IN
THE UK HAVE BEEN CLOSED,
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OR THEIR CONTRACTS
HAVE BEEN TAKEN AWAY
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AFTER EVIDENCE OF HUMAN
RIGHTS ABUSE HAS EMERGED.
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I think many of us
didn't even know
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there were private prisons.
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So in my mind I'm like,
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"What's the difference between
government and private business?"
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The one has to make money.
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PRIVATE PRISONS,
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THEY'RE THERE TO MAKE MONEY OFF
THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.
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AND THEY GET PAID SOMEWHAT THREE
TIMES THE AMOUNT FOR A PRISONER
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THAN A PRISONER IN
THE NORMAL SYSTEM.
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THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN PAYING
ABOUT R45 MILLION A MONTH
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TO G4S FOR THE
MANAGEMENT OF MANGAUNG.
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AND TO DATE HAS PAID ABOUT
R7 BILLION ON THE PRISON,
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AND IF THE CONTRACT
CONTINUES UNTIL 2026,
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THE GOVERNMENT EXPECTS
TO PAY ABOUT R9 BILLION.
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SOUTH AFRICA HAS A MASSIVE
PROBLEM WITH OUR PRISON SYSTEM.
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AND IT'S ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS,
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FROM A SOCIO-ECONOMIC PERSPECTIVE
THROUGH TO A JUSTICE PERSPECTIVE
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THROUGH TO A
FUNDING PERSPECTIVE.
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SOME ESTIMATE THAT OUR
PRISONS ARE 140 PERCENT FULL.
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WHEN YOU'VE GOT THAT ENVIRONMENT
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THE PRISON WARDERS HAVE BECOME
VERY SCARED FOR THEIR LIVES.
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THERE'S TOO MANY PEOPLE.
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THE DCS, THE
GOVERNMENT PRISONS,
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THEY KEPT PLUS-MINUS 40 TO 50
INMATES IN THE ONE SECTION.
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WHILE I WAS WORKING THERE I
USED TO CALL THEM "STREETS".
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BUT, YOU KNOW, I
PREFER TO WORK IN DCS
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BECAUSE IT'S A SAFER
PLACE THAN G4S.
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BECAUSE MOST OF THE "STREETS"
WILL BE CARRYING 64 INMATES.
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ONE IS EQUALS TO
64 INMATES. REALLY.
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YOU ARE ALONE, THEY'LL KILL YOU.
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WARDENS OFTEN GET THREATENED.
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SO, YOU KNOW, INMATES WILL SAY,
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"I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE AND I KNOW
WHERE YOUR KIDS GO TO SCHOOL,
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AND I HAVE LOTS OF
CONTACTS OUTSIDE OF THERE,
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SO YOU DO THIS THING
OF ME OR ELSE."
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AND I THINK THAT'S MORE THE
REASON WHY THE SYSTEM FAILS.
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I THINK THAT WHAT HAPPENED IN
THIS CASE IS A GRIEVOUS INSTANCE,
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IT'S THE MOST ASTOUNDING
INSTANCE, OF THIS KIND OF ESCAPE.
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BUT IT IS SYMPTOMATIC OF PROBLEMS
THROUGHOUT THE PRISON SYSTEM.
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G4S AND BLOEMFONTEIN
CORRECTIONAL CONTRACTS
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WERE INVITED TO
COME TO PARLIAMENT
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BY THE PORTFOLIO COMMITTEE OF
CORRECTIONAL SERVICES AND JUSTICE,
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TO COME AND ACCOUNT
AND GIVE A PRESENTATION
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OF THEIR INVESTIGATIONS INTO
THE THABO BESTER ESCAPE,
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AND TO SAY WHAT HAD HAPPENED.
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G4S HAD SENT US A LETTER
THAT MORNING, I THINK,
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OR IT WAS THE NIGHT
BEFORE, TO THE CHAIRPERSON
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SAYING THEY WEREN'T COMING.
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THEY SAID THAT CONFIDENTIALITY
CLAUSES IN THEIR CONTRACT,
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AS WELL AS IN THE
CORRECTIONAL SERVICES ACT,
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PROHIBITED THEM FROM
COMING TO PARLIAMENT
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WITHOUT A PARLIAMENTARY SUMMONS.
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WHICH WOULD BASICALLY GRANT THEM
IMMUNITY FROM THOSE CLAUSES.
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CAN PRIVATE CORPORATIONS GET
AWAY WITH THIS KIND OF THING
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WITHOUT GIVING ANY ANSWERS?
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THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD.
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I am absolutely
outraged that G4S
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thumbed their nose at a
committee of Parliament.
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A portfolio committee of Parliament,
to which they should account.
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It's very clear that they
have something to hide.
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WE CAN'T GO AHEAD WITHOUT
THEM, THERE'S NO POINT.
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THE KIND OF ANSWERS WE
NEED, THEY MUST BE PRESENT,
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AND POSTPONE THIS
MEETING AND SUMMONS THEM.
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DO YOU REMEMBER WHERE YOU
WERE WHEN YOU HEARD THE NEWS?
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I DON'T KNOW HOW
THIS IS GONNA SOUND,
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- BUT I WAS ACTUALLY SLEEPING,
- AND THEN I WOKE UP...
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- SHOULD I SAY THAT?
- JA. THAT'S PERFECT.
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OKAY. I WAS WOKEN UP BY
A YOUTUBE NOTIFICATION.
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ONE SATURDAY MORNING WE WOKE UP QUITE
SURPRISED TO SEE A TWEET GOING AROUND
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THAT BESTER AND MAGUDUMANA
HAD BEEN ARRESTED IN TANZANIA.
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In breaking news. Rapist
and murderer, Thabo Bester,
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has been arrested.
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...last night in
Arusha, in Tanzania.
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It's believed his partner,
Dr Nandipha Magudumana,
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was also apprehended.
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PICTURES STARTED CIRCULATING
UPON THEIR ARREST,
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AND BESTER WAS WEARING
A WHITE HEAD SCARF.
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What is this with a
dishcloth on your head?
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Just tell me. Is
that a disguise?
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This is what you look like.
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This story just keeps
getting f♪♪♪ing crazier.
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Apparently they were
in Tanzania illegally.
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Also caught with a bunch
of passports on them.
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SEVERAL PASSPORTS WERE
FOUND ON THEIR POSSESSION,
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INCLUDING A PASSPORT BELONGING TO
DR PASHY, ONE OF THEIR SCAM VICTIMS.
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A PASSPORT BELONGING TO
NANDIPHA MAGUDUMANA HERSELF.
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AND THEN, OF COURSE, BESTER
DIDN'T HAVE A REAL IDENTITY,
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SO HE WAS FOUND WITH A FAKE US
PASSPORT IN THE NAME OF TOM KELLY.
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WHICH IS ALSO ONE OF THE
ALIASES HE'S USED IN THE PAST.
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IT'S A VERY PROFESSIONAL, AND A
VERY CLOSE-KNIT AND SMALL COMMUNITY
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THAT ACTUALLY MANUFACTURE
FAKE PASSPORTS.
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SO THOSE PASSPORTS HE WAS
FOUND IN POSSESSION OF
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WOULD HAVE COST
HIM A LOT OF MONEY.
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THEY OBVIOUSLY WORKED
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BECAUSE HE WAS ABLE TO GET INTO
TANZANIA FROM SOUTH AFRICA.
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BUT THEY WEREN'T STAMPED.
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VERY STRANGE.
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How they left, they
left illegally.
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They left the country
illegally because they...
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Nothing shows in any..
Whatever form of documentation
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that they left the country
legally. Maybe they'll explain.
246
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SO IT MEANS THAT EITHER THEY
DIDN'T PASS THROUGH A BORDER POST,
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OR THEY PAID SOMEBODY
AT A BORDER POST,
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OR THEY PAID SOMEBODY
TO MOVE THEM ACROSS
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WITHOUT HAVING TO
PRODUCE THOSE PASSPORTS.
250
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BUT WE ALL KNOW OUR BORDERS
ARE VERY, VERY POROUS.
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It's a deportation,
not an extradition?
252
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Who helped them? How did
they get out of the country?
253
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Police are still
trying to figure out
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how they're gonna deport
Dr Nandipha from Tanzania
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to face justice for a warrant
that she has in South Africa.
256
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THEY HAD TO PLAY
IT QUITE CAREFULLY
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BECAUSE WHEN SOMEONE'S
ARRESTED IN ANOTHER COUNTRY
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AND YOU WANNA BRING
THEM BACK TO FACE TRIAL,
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THEY NEED TO NORMALLY
BE EXTRADITED.
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Thabo Bester, on the
hand, it's a lot easier,
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because he is an
escaped convicted felon,
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so he's just getting
deported to come back here
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to continue serving his time.
264
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SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT
THE SOUTH AFRICAN GOVERNMENT
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MADE AN AGREEMENT WITH
THE TANZANIAN GOVERNMENT
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THAT MAGUDUMANA AND BESTER
WOULD BOTH BE DEPORTED
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AND THAT THEY CAN BE TAKEN
IN A SOUTH AFRICAN PLANE.
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SOUTH AFRICA IS A
FASCINATING PLACE.
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OUR POLITICIANS DON'T
READILY GET EMBARRASSED
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BY THE FACT THAT THE COUNTRY
HAS BEEN EXPERIENCING BLACKOUTS,
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ELECTRICITY POWER CUTS,
IN EXCESS OF 15 YEARS.
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AND SO FLIGHTS WERE CHARTERED, HOME
AFFAIRS OFFICIALS GOT ON-BOARD.
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THEY WILL LEAVE NO EXPENSE
TO TRY AND SECURE THESE TWO
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BECAUSE THIS IS THE STORY
THE NATION IS TALKING ABOUT.
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Why would you need to
charter a private jet?
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Chairperson, simply put,
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it was part of negotiations with
the officials on the other side.
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So the Tanzanian's wanted
to fly to South Africa
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on a private jet? Is
that what you're saying?
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It's a yes or no answer.
281
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No, I'm not going to
answer that way. No.
282
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Then don't answer.
283
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- You can tell us to answer yes or no.
- No, don't answer.
284
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- Absolutely not in court here.
- It's fine.
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THERE WAS A MANHUNT THAT WAS
AT A PRETTY ADVANCED STAGE.
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BUT IT SEEMS THE ARREST ITSELF
WAS DONE BY TANZANIAN AUTHORITIES,
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NOT BY SOUTH
AFRICAN AUTHORITIES.
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SO THE POLICE WORK WAS
DONE BY THE TANZANIANS,
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THEY DID THE JOB THAT
THE SOUTH AFRICANS
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WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE DONE A YEAR
EARLIER, AND HANDED HIM OVER.
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Convicted rapist and
murderer Thabo Bester,
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and his accomplice Dr
Nandipha Magudumana
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are actually expected to touch down
in South Africa any minute now.
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NOBODY KNEW WHERE THEY
WERE GOING TO LAND.
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IT WAS.. A SECRET.
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WE HAD TO SNIFF OUT.
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FORTUNATELY WE HAD ACCESS
TO SOME INFORMATION,
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AND WE BASICALLY CAMPED OUT
AT THE LANSERIA AIRPORT.
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SO DID YOU STAY AWAKE
THE WHOLE NIGHT?
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YES, WE DID. SO WE HAD
BEEN THERE FROM 20:00
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UNTIL 16:00 THE NEXT
DAY WHEN THEY ARRIVED.
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Well shortly after 16:00,
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the aircraft carrying Thabo Bester
and Dr Nandipha Magudumana arrived.
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HE WAS THEN WHISKED
INTO THE POLICE NYALA.
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Mr Bester, do you
have anything to say?!
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Mr Bester, do you
have anything to say?!
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I see you there.
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Dr Nandipha Magudumana
walked right past us.
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AND YOU WOULD'VE SEEN A VIDEO THAT
HAD GONE VIRAL WHERE I ASKED HER...
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Dr Nandipha Magudumana, do
you have anything to say?
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MAYBE FOR HER, AT THAT MOMENT,
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EVERYTHING COULD'VE SUNK IN.
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The reality that..
Her freedom is gone.
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Escapee Mr.. Thabo Bester...
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or well known as Thabo Bester...
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with his accomplice, also known
as Dr Nandipha "Magudumalong",
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with a Mozambican national,
have been arrested.
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This is where Thabo Bester was
brought to under 24 hour guard.
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WHEN NANDIPHA WAS APPREHENDED
WITH THABO BESTER...
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THERE WAS A SENSE OF RELIEF.
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00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:48,156
I CALLED MY BROTHER-IN-LAW,
NANDIPHA'S HUSBAND,
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I ASKED HIM HOW HE FEELS,
HE SAID NO, HE'S RELIEVED,
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00:22:51,559 --> 00:22:55,396
BECAUSE NOW HE CAN
EXPLAIN TO THE KIDS
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THAT, "MOMMY DID A
FEW WRONG THINGS,
325
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,115
AND SHE'S GOT A LOT OF
QUESTIONS TO ANSWER,"
326
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:07,440
WHICH IS A BIT BETTER THAN SAYING,
"NO, MOMMY IS BACK IN A BODY BAG."
327
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,039
Are you okay?
328
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,996
Okay. Do you wanna say anything?
329
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,400
- No.
- Okay.
330
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,515
Zolile Sekeleni...
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Nandipha Magudumana father...
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The reason why Dr
Nandi's dad was jailed
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and is now appearing in court
334
00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:30,555
is because they believe that
he helped Thabo Bester escape.
335
00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:33,956
It's alleged he hired the car
that transported Bereng's body.
336
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IT'S POSSIBLY, FOR ME,
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THE MOST PUZZLING PIECE
OF THIS ENTIRE STORY.
338
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:45,515
WAS IT FOR MONEY? WAS IT FOR
ACCESS TO THE FANCY MANSION?
339
00:23:45,519 --> 00:23:48,075
WAS IT FOR THE FLASHY CARS?
340
00:23:48,079 --> 00:23:51,196
YOU WOULD EXPECT THAT
IF NANDIPHA MAGUDUMANA
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WAS GONNA GET HERSELF INVOLVED
IN SOMETHING LIKE THAT,
342
00:23:54,519 --> 00:23:57,355
HER FATHER WOULD BE
THE VOICE OF REASON.
343
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:12,035
I'M VERY CROSS WITH NANDIPHA
THAT SHE GOT MY FATHER INVOLVED.
344
00:24:12,039 --> 00:24:14,835
IT'S UNHEARD OF, YOU KNOW?
345
00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:19,920
WE SHOULD BE THE ONES
PROTECTING OUR PARENTS.
346
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,839
SHE SHOULD'VE.. FEAR, DREAD.
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00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,236
THE DISAPPOINTMENT
OF HER FATHER.
348
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,355
NO, HE'S AN
ACCOMPLICE. ALLEGEDLY.
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00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,515
I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT IF
MY FATHER HAD BEEN ALIVE,
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AND I'D ASKED HIM TO DO THAT
FOR ME, HE WOULD'VE SAID NO.
351
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,119
AND DRAGGED ME OFF, BY MY EAR,
TO THE NEAREST POLICE STATION.
352
00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:53,595
MY DAD IS ALLOWED TO BE AT HOME EVEN
THOUGH HIS MOVEMENTS ARE RESTRICTED.
353
00:24:53,599 --> 00:24:57,876
AND I GUESS HE'S LEARNED TO
LIVE WITH IT AT THE MOMENT.
354
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,075
AND WE SORT OF SPEAK EVERY DAY.
355
00:25:01,079 --> 00:25:05,115
AND.. HE DOESN'T HAVE ANGER,
356
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,355
HE'S JUST OPTIMISTIC,
357
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:12,916
AND LOOKING FORWARD TO
BETTER DAYS, IF I MAY SAY.
358
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:18,075
AND MOSTLY CONCERNED
ABOUT MY SISTER.
359
00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:20,880
SO, JA, I THINK HE'S...
360
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,476
HE'S TAKING IT LIKE A MAN.
361
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,636
SEKELENI AND MATSOARA WERE CHARGED
WITH HELPING BESTER ESCAPE,
362
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,400
AND ARSON, BUT THEY WERE
ALSO CHARGED WITH MURDER.
363
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,795
Matsoara was fired
by G4S in September,
364
00:25:53,799 --> 00:25:58,079
but not before boasting about a
brand-new car before Bester's escape.
365
00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:14,035
Here is Thabo Bester's ID.
366
00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:17,035
DR AARON MOTSOALEDI, THE
HOME AFFAIRS MINISTER,
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00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:19,880
GIVES THABO BESTER AN ID.
368
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,515
THABO BESTER HAS BEEN
UNDOCUMENTED FOR OVER 30 YEARS,
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AND YET IT TOOK THE DEPARTMENT
OF HOME AFFAIRS A MATTER OF DAYS
370
00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:37,676
TO ISSUE BOTH THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE
AND AN IDENTITY DOCUMENT
371
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,916
THAT IS PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC.
372
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,876
SO IT'S ALMOST AS IF THEY USED
THIS OPPORTUNITY AS A PR STUNT
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TO SHOW THAT THEY'VE DONE
SOMETHING GOOD AND POSITIVE
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00:26:46,839 --> 00:26:48,636
WHEN THERE ARE OTHER
MILLIONS OF PEOPLE
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00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,396
STILL WAITING FOR ASSISTANCE FROM
THE DEPARTMENT OF HOME AFFAIRS,
376
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,079
INCLUDING CHILDREN SO...
377
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,359
THAT JUST MADE ME ANGRY.
378
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,676
THIS CASE HAS BEEN IMPORTANT
IN TERMS OF DEMONSTRATING
379
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:08,075
HOW INTRINSICALLY URGENT
ISSUES OF DOCUMENTATION ARE.
380
00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:11,035
EVEN WHEN PEOPLE ARE
TRYING TO ACCESS DOCUMENTS,
381
00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:15,480
IT IS THE DEPARTMENT STANDING IN THE
WAY OF THEM GETTING THOSE DOCUMENTS.
382
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:19,075
IT'S THE SAD REALITY
IN SOUTH AFRICA
383
00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:23,156
THAT THE BUREAUCRATIC
FAILURES AND BARRIERS
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00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,716
THAT STATE DEPARTMENTS
PRESENT TO PEOPLE
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00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,835
WHO ARE LEGITIMATELY
TRYING TO ACCESS SERVICES
386
00:27:28,839 --> 00:27:32,196
DOES FORCE THEM TO THE
PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE,
387
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,039
WHICH IS THE PATH OF
CORRUPTION AND ILLEGALITY.
388
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,315
People go mad for this one.
389
00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:44,555
Look, everyone was
like, "Oh Thabo Bester."
390
00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:56,755
AND HAVE YOU GUYS HAD A MOMENT
391
00:27:56,759 --> 00:28:00,156
TO CRACK A BOTTLE OF CHAMPAGNE
TOGETHER OR A HIGH FIVE OR...
392
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,595
YES, WE DID, YESTERDAY
IN THE OFFICE.
393
00:28:01,599 --> 00:28:04,200
- YES.
- AND MARECIA HAD A FEW COCKTAILS.
394
00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:08,920
IT'S FAKE NEWS. FAKE NEWS.
395
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,595
AND SO DO YOU GUYS, DO
YOU STILL LIKE EACH OTHER
396
00:28:17,599 --> 00:28:19,716
AFTER THIS YEAR
OF WORK TOGETHER?
397
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,275
WHAT DO YOU MEAN, "STILL"?
398
00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:24,075
- DID WE EVER?
- JA.
399
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:25,839
THAT'S THE QUESTION.
400
00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:28,515
IT'S BEEN A LOT,
401
00:28:28,519 --> 00:28:33,515
BUT I AM THANKFUL THAT THE
BOOK IS FINALLY COMPLETED.
402
00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:35,355
AND IT'S OUT THERE,
AND IT'S IN STORES.
403
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:41,115
IT STILL FEELS A BIT SURREAL WHEN
PEOPLE SEND ME PHOTOS OF BOOK STORES,
404
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:43,795
AND THEN I SEE THE
THABO BESTER BOOK.
405
00:28:43,799 --> 00:28:45,716
DID YOU GUYS THINK THAT
YOU WOULD GET A BOOK DEAL
406
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,680
- BEFORE YOU TURNED 30?
- NO.
407
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:53,115
ABSOLUTELY NOT. I HAD PLANNED TO
WRITE A BOOK BY THE TIME I'M 70.
408
00:28:53,119 --> 00:28:55,876
SO THAT I CAN SORT OF
409
00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,835
DEPOSIT ALL OF MY WEALTH
OF KNOWLEDGE IN THAT BOOK.
410
00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:05,436
I DID NOT EXPECT TO BE WRITING
ANYTHING UNDER 30 AT ALL.
411
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,835
MARECIA AND DANIEL, THEY
DID A VERY THOROUGH JOB.
412
00:29:09,839 --> 00:29:14,599
THEY WENT AROUND CHECKING UP EVERY
FACT BEFORE THE FIRST STORY APPEARED.
413
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,476
JA, I THINK GROUNDUP HAS DONE
FANTASTIC WORK IN GENERAL
414
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,115
IN INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM.
415
00:29:24,119 --> 00:29:25,835
AND I THINK IN
THIS PARTICULAR...
416
00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:28,956
IT'LL BE REMEMBERED FOR
THIS PARTICULAR STORY.
417
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,035
I THINK THIS STORY SHOWS THE
IMPORTANCE OF WHISTLEBLOWERS
418
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:35,755
WORKING WITH MEMBERS OF
THE MEDIA WHO THEY TRUST.
419
00:29:35,759 --> 00:29:39,636
TO EXPOSE CORRUPTION
AND INCOMPETENCE
420
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,075
IN THE GOVERNMENT AND
IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
421
00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:44,236
THE DEMOCRACY THAT WE HAVE
422
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,436
IS ANCHORED AROUND
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
423
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,476
BUT PARTICIPATORY
DEMOCRACY MEANS THE MEDIA.
424
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,359
- Slate one, take one.
- Cool.
425
00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:56,996
I THINK SOMETIMES PEOPLE
PERCEIVE THE MEDIA
426
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,835
AS TRYING TO CATCH PEOPLE OUT.
427
00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:01,996
JA, WELL THE MEDIA
WOULD NEVER CATCH YOU UP
428
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,795
IF YOU'RE ON TOP OF YOUR STORY,
429
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:06,755
BECAUSE THE ISSUE'S
ABOUT BEING STRAIGHT.
430
00:30:06,759 --> 00:30:11,440
AT THE END, THE MEDIA PLAYS A
ROLE OF EXPOSING THESE THINGS.
431
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,676
THE MEDIA CAN PUT
THESE THINGS OUT THERE,
432
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,720
BUT THEY CAN'T ACTUALLY
PUT THE CROOKS IN JAIL.
433
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,075
Today we'll start with G4S
434
00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:27,795
who have been summoned
to assist this process
435
00:30:27,799 --> 00:30:30,755
to get to the
bottom of this saga.
436
00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:32,436
IT WAS A TWO-DAY SESSION
437
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,476
WHERE PARLIAMENTARIANS
WERE LOOKING FOR ANSWERS.
438
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,676
FROM ALL THE STAKE
HOLDERS INVOLVED.
439
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:43,156
THE POLICE, THE DEPARTMENT
OF CORRECTIONAL SERVICES,
440
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,039
AS WELL AS JICS.
441
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,716
THEY HAS TO BE FORCED,
ALMOST KICKING AND SCREAMING,
442
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,315
BEFORE THE CORPORATION'S
LEADERSHIP CAME, UNDER OATH,
443
00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:56,876
TO SAY, "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED."
444
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,876
Allow me to thank you for
sending us the summons
445
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:10,160
that we asked for and making is
possible for us to attend today.
446
00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:13,236
Chair, we have the
greatest respect
447
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,355
for this committee,
and for its work.
448
00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:20,795
And, chair, we have participated
fully from the outset
449
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:22,599
with all investigative
authorities.
450
00:31:24,759 --> 00:31:29,196
IN THEIR REPORT THEY SAID
THABO BESTER HAS DIED.
451
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,839
IN BLACK AND WHITE.
452
00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:35,115
WE HAVE THE AUTOPSY REPORT
AND THE CCTV FOOTAGE...
453
00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:38,115
THAT'S A LIE. NO, NO, NO,
IT'S A BALD-FACED LIE.
454
00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:40,236
THERE'S NOTHING ELSE
THAT YOU CAN CALL IT.
455
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:45,636
UNLESS YOU'VE HAD A, YOU KNOW,
SERIOUS LOBOTOMY PROCEDURE
456
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:46,876
WHEN YOU WERE VERY YOUNG.
457
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,480
AND THEN I HAD TO ASK THEM...
458
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,795
DO YOU NOW BELIEVE THAT HE'S
BEEN ARRESTED IN TANZANIA?
459
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:56,035
THEN THEY WOULD SAY,
"YES, WE NOW BELIEVE."
460
00:31:56,039 --> 00:32:00,035
SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE THIS CHAP
WAS RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD.
461
00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:03,476
Mr Beyleveld,
where's Thabo Bester?
462
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,079
According to the information
that we have, he's now arrested.
463
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,396
Why did G4S cling to the version
464
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,555
that it was Thabo Bester's
body in that cell?
465
00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:17,075
Even after it was very clear
466
00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:20,396
to everybody else in South
Africa that it wasn't.
467
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,716
Just answer me that question.
468
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,996
Because we were not the primary
investigating authority,
469
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,236
and we did not have access to the
prime evidence, honourable member.
470
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,355
And that's your answer?
471
00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:32,555
- Yes.
- Wow.
472
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:35,916
IT JUST DEMONSTRATED A
LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY.
473
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,636
AND THAT WOULD THEN MEANT
YOU NEED TO DIG MUCH DEEPER
474
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,716
ABOUT HOW THEY DO
THINGS IN THAT PRISON.
475
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,355
Go to the cell, go to the cell.
476
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:46,680
Going towards cell 35.
477
00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:51,795
We received an application
from inmate Bester,
478
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:56,636
where he was applying to be kept in
a single cell for his own safety.
479
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,156
And inmate Bester was
placed in cell 35.
480
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:05,240
JA, I'M TOO OLD TO BELIEVE IN
A CONFLUENCE OF COINCIDENCES.
481
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,515
BESTER WAS IN A CELL AT THE FURTHEST
END OF THE PASSAGE FROM THE CAMERA.
482
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:13,236
YOU KNOW, AND SOMEBODY HAD
TO BE MOVED OUT OF THAT CELL
483
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,515
TO ACCOMMODATE HIM IN THAT CELL,
WHILE THERE WERE OTHER EMPTY CELLS.
484
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:21,396
And not to put too fine a point
on it, and no pun intended,
485
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,079
it's right next to
the fire escape.
486
00:33:25,079 --> 00:33:26,996
What I'm not ruling out
487
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,876
is that certain members,
together with Mr Bester,
488
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,196
carefully planned this event.
489
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,876
The best you can say is you
don't rule out the possibility
490
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:41,079
that this was a well-planned,
monumentally logistical operation.
491
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:47,039
I mean, I have a German Shepard puppy
that can come to that conclusion.
492
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,755
The G4S f♪♪♪in' directors, and
bosses, and whoever they were,
493
00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:53,315
they didn't know what
the f♪♪♪ hit them.
494
00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:55,795
You don't think that it's
part of your responsibility
495
00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:58,636
to determine how a murderer
and a serial rapist
496
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,355
walked out of your prison?
497
00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:03,960
That's somebody else's
responsibility? Get real.
498
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,356
G4S HAD EVERY
REASON TO STONEWALL,
499
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:18,155
TO CLOSE IT'S EARS, TO CLOSE IT'S
EYES, TO CLOSE IT'S MOUTH, AND WHY?
500
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:22,675
BECAUSE THAT ESCAPE, THAT SCANDALOUS
EVENT, COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED
501
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:27,595
WITHOUT WIDESPREAD,
PERVASIVE, OPERATIONAL-LEVEL,
502
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:33,195
AND MANAGERIAL-LEVEL
COMPLICITY BY G4S OFFICERS.
503
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:38,075
It's impossible to believe that this
whole operation could've taken place
504
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:40,756
without the greasing
of many palms.
505
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,836
How many G4S employees were on
duty at that facility that night?
506
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,320
THERE WE'RE MORE THAN 20 G4S
OFFICERS ON DUTY THAT NIGHT.
507
00:34:55,199 --> 00:35:00,715
NOW I THINK THE LIKELY
INFERENCE IS THAT ALL OF THEM
508
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,916
WERE EITHER PAID OFF OR WARNED
OFF OR TOLD, "LOOK AWAY."
509
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,996
It was 23, honourable
member, that was on duty.
510
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,559
23 people had to
look the other way?
511
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,075
Braai'ing, roasting
over the coals.
512
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,476
So let's assume you agree with
me now that Bester got out,
513
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:24,956
how did he get out?
514
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,996
Currently to say how he got out,
515
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,715
I don't think that's
my purpose now.
516
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,555
The SAP are conducting
the criminal investigation
517
00:35:32,559 --> 00:35:36,836
and we do a due diligent
investigation into the operations.
518
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,675
You honestly.. That's the
answer to the question?
519
00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:40,280
It's not your responsibility?
520
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,635
THEY SAID THEY HAD INVESTIGATED
521
00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:48,836
AND FOUND THAT THREE OF THE
PRISON WARDENS ON DUTY THAT NIGHT
522
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,595
DID NOT FOLLOW
PROPER PROCEDURES.
523
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:54,916
AND THEY WERE SUSPENDED
AND THEN LATER DISMISSED.
524
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,316
Are you honestly sitting
here this morning telling us
525
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:02,039
that this escape, of
Hollywood proportions...
526
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,436
was done with the
assistance of three people?
527
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,039
Is that what you're suggesting?
528
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:11,876
I'm not suggesting
that, honourable member,
529
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,356
I'm saying that those
are the individuals
530
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,440
who did not follow
policy and procedure.
531
00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:20,199
We suspended them and
we dismissed them.
532
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,436
That's just simply not possible.
533
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,639
It had to have
been so many more.
534
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,675
You had quite a field day,
did you learn anything new?
535
00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:34,639
The recording portion of
the surveillance system...
536
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,796
was malfunctioning just over
that period of the actual escape.
537
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,956
So on the 2nd of May, 2022,
538
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,356
from 21:38 until the 3rd of May,
539
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,675
the following day,
just after 04:00,
540
00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:50,115
the security cameras by the
solitary confinement cell
541
00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:52,920
that Thabo Bester was held in
were completely turned off.
542
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,396
And they resumed
operating and 04:10.
543
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,599
04:10! Bo! And the camera
resumed operating. Ye?
544
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,876
Just that little slot
and it didn't work?
545
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,400
You'll agree with me that
that's not a coincidence.
546
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,796
Yes, that coincidence
is strange.
547
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,760
It must stretch even
your imagination.
548
00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:19,320
- It does.
- Yes, quite.
549
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:26,916
We keep footage for only seven days,
video footage for only seven days,
550
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,715
so it's not possible
for us to go back...
551
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:29,756
- Mm.
- To the date that
552
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,916
- you mentioned.
- But I assume,
553
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,476
and when something happens
like a fire in a cell,
554
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,559
you keep that video footage.
555
00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:39,035
- Correct.
- Unfortunately,
556
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:41,836
in this case, there
was none. Coincidently.
557
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:46,195
ONE OF THE PEOPLE ON DUTY AT
THE PRISON WAS A CCTV TECHNICIAN
558
00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:51,075
TEBOHO LIPHOLO, WHO WORKED FOR
A COMPANY CALLED INTEGRITRON,
559
00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:54,276
WHICH MAINTAINED THE CCTV
SYSTEM AT THE PRISON.
560
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,916
THEIR INVESTIGATION REPORT
DID NOT FIND ANYTHING
561
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:02,075
AGAINST TEBOHO LIPHOLO WHO
LATER ADMITTED TO SWITCHING OFF
562
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:03,920
THE CCTV CAMERAS IN THE PRISON.
563
00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:13,595
HE WAS ALLEGEDLY PROMISED
R2.5 MILLION BY BESTER,
564
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:16,836
BUT ONLY RECEIVED
R40,000 IN PAYMENT.
565
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,836
And just days prior
to this incident,
566
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:25,075
a vehicle made an unauthorised entry
into the prison facility, correct?
567
00:38:25,079 --> 00:38:27,159
- That's correct.
- How come? Why?
568
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,035
That's currently
being investigated.
569
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:32,555
So how far have you got with
your investigation? Tell us.
570
00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:34,159
That's what you're here to do.
571
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:41,396
...to be coming into
the prison facility
572
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,876
arrived with a wooden TV stand.
573
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,515
THEY USED IT TO
SMUGGLE THE BODY IN,
574
00:38:47,519 --> 00:38:48,635
THEY PUT IT IN THE WORKSHOP.
575
00:38:48,639 --> 00:38:50,555
THE EXCUSE WAS IT
HAD TO BE WORKED ON,
576
00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:52,476
THAT'S WHY IT HAD TO COME IN.
577
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,760
Could a corpse have
fitted into that TV stand?
578
00:38:57,679 --> 00:38:59,400
- I think so, yeah.
- Okay.
579
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,119
You are probably wondering how
did Katlego end up in cell 35.
580
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,396
WHAT IS NOT THE
TRUTH ABOUT MY SON.
581
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,276
IT WAS WHEN THEY WERE SAYING MY
SON COLLAPSED IN CENTRAL PARK.
582
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,916
THE AMBULANCE CAME TO TOOK
HIM, TOOK HIM TO HOSPITAL,
583
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:26,316
AND THEN HE WAS RECEIVED
AS AN UNIDENTIFIED PERSON.
584
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,235
THAT'S WHERE IT MADE ME ANGRY.
585
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,476
MY SON IS KNOWN,
HERE IN BLOEMFONTEIN,
586
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,155
ESPECIALLY SOCCER-LOVING PEOPLE.
587
00:39:36,159 --> 00:39:39,396
KATLEGO WAS A NICE
GUY. I KNEW HIM.
588
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,195
UNTIL AT THAT AGE OF
30-SOMETHING, YES.
589
00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:45,559
HE WAS ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT
CELTICS THIS, CELTICS THAT.
590
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,916
HE WAS NEVER
INVOLVED IN A FIGHT,
591
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,635
OR HEARING KATLEGO
HAS BEEN ARRESTED, NO.
592
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:55,075
THAT IS, I'M GETTING EMOTIONAL
WHEN TALKING ABOUT THIS THING.
593
00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:57,800
JUST IMAGINE IF IT WAS
YOUR SON, YOUR BROTHER.
594
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:02,476
THE FAMILY'S GRIEF
IS ON PUBLIC DISPLAY
595
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:07,316
AS DETAILS ABOUT THE ELABORATE
ESCAPE CONTINUE MAKING HEADLINES.
596
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,916
Katlego's family searched
for an entire year for him,
597
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,675
and still, even after the
confirmation of his death,
598
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:17,079
they're left with
so many questions.
599
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,195
AT THE TIME OF THE
INITIAL ARREST,
600
00:40:31,199 --> 00:40:34,876
THERE WAS ONLY EARLY
INDICATIONS OF A MURDER,
601
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,515
BUT THEN AS THE POLICE
INVESTIGATION CONTINUED,
602
00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:42,119
THESE CHARGES WERE LATER WITHDRAWN
DUE TO A LACK OF EVIDENCE.
603
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,155
AT THE CENTRE OF EVERYTHING
THAT HAS HAPPENED HERE
604
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:56,035
ARE THE ALLEGED VICTIMS
605
00:40:56,039 --> 00:41:00,756
AND PEOPLE LIKE KATLEGO
BERENG'S MOTHER AND FATHER
606
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,876
THAT ARE STILL
LOOKING FOR ANSWERS.
607
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,476
It's fishy. It's fishy.
608
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,320
THEY THINK THERE'S MORE...
609
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,440
THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE
UNVEILED REGARDING HIS DEATH.
610
00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:21,876
When all of this happened,
611
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:26,559
who was the Manguang Correctional
Centre director? Was it you?
612
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,675
Yes, honorary member,
it was still me.
613
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:34,476
Everything happened under you?
614
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,836
- That's correct.
- You are still the director there?
615
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,715
- Have you been dismissed?
- No.
616
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,476
- Why?
- No, I did not commit any misconduct.
617
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,235
When everything else
happened under you?
618
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:48,876
- Yes.
- Wow.
619
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,519
THIS IS NOT AN ESCAPE.
620
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:58,956
THIS IS A PROPERLY PLANNED,
WELL-EXECUTED WALK OUT OF PRISON.
621
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,195
Department of
Correctional Services
622
00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:06,996
has served the private
company managing the prison
623
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,396
with a notice that it will
be terminating its contract.
624
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,996
This contract does not deserve
any further day to continue.
625
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,836
- I would disagree with that.
- Why?
626
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:23,436
Our track record over 22 years
is a good track record given...
627
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:29,595
if compared to other private
and public facilities.
628
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:31,756
This issue, before you respond,
629
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,115
it's a serious
reputational risk,
630
00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:38,756
not to DCS, to the
country South Africa.
631
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,436
Here we go! Here
the f♪♪♪ we go!
632
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,436
Here the f♪♪♪ we go!
633
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,316
Magudumana has been
fighting for her freedom.
634
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,876
She claims she was
abducted by state officials
635
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,595
and has attempted to have her
arrest and deportation set aside.
636
00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:15,476
She has the f♪♪♪ing audacity
to say that her being extracted
637
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:20,515
from a country that she entered
with illegal, forged documents
638
00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:22,235
was unlawful.
639
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:23,595
Like, b♪♪♪♪, get the
f♪♪♪ out of here.
640
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:28,356
A POSSIBLE REASON FOR NANDIPHA
ABANDONING HER BAIL IS BECAUSE
641
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,715
IF SHE WERE TO TAKE BAIL,
THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN SEEN
642
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:36,595
AS HER AGREEING WITH THE
CHARGES BROUGHT OUT AGAINST HER.
643
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:37,956
Stealing bodies,
644
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,796
freeing a man from prison who
was a rapist and a murderer,
645
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,635
dumping the bodies that you
took from morgues in a river.
646
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:47,440
Sit your ass down and
go to jail forever.
647
00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:54,796
FOR THE FIRST TIME
SINCE THEIR DEPORTATION,
648
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,396
BESTER AND DR NANDIPHA
WERE REUNITED IN THE DOCK.
649
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,996
Ladies and gentleman,
here's our Bonnie and Clyde.
650
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,956
Here's our Bonnie and Clyde.
651
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,035
CAMERAS ARE FLASHING,
THERE'S A HUSHED SILENCE.
652
00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:13,276
AND FOR THE FIRST TIME WE SAW THEM
TOGETHER IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE WORLD.
653
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,396
Some of us, we've never
had our partners look at us
654
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,155
the way Nandipha looked
at Thabo. Be honest.
655
00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:21,956
This is giving, "I will
live, breathe, die for you."
656
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,476
I mean, they already did
the other crazy stuff
657
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,436
like steal dead bodies and
break out of jail, but still!
658
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,195
THEY ROSE TO THE OCCASION.
659
00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:33,956
THE STOLEN KISSES, THAT
LOOK INTO EACH OTHER'S EYES,
660
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,796
THE HOLDING OF HANDS.
661
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:40,756
IT WAS AS IF WE WERE WATCHING AN
EPISODE OF OUR FAVOURITE SOAP OPERA.
662
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,836
No criminal should be this happy
and smitten in the court of law
663
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,519
while they face so many
criminal charges. Uh-uh!
664
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,235
EVERYONE WANTED TO SEE
665
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,356
HOW THEY WERE GOING TO
BEHAVE TOWARDS EACH OTHER,
666
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,996
AND I GUESS EVERYONE GOT MORE
THAN WHAT THEY BARGAINED FOR,
667
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,480
BECAUSE WHATEVER YOU
INTERPRET FROM WHAT YOU SAW...
668
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,996
IT CERTAINLY DID
RAISE SOME EYEBROWS.
669
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,796
I've, personally, never
seen a love like this.
670
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,956
Ooh, Nandi! Yoh!
671
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:16,235
How do we get that Bester
level of love from the lady?
672
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:17,840
Yoh, bruh.
673
00:45:20,559 --> 00:45:22,235
When we look at body language,
674
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,396
we look for fake
smiles and real smiles.
675
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,595
There wasn't a real smile
on her face, it was fake.
676
00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:28,356
She's quite nervous.
677
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,316
Her arm came around her stomach,
678
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,360
now women do this to
protect this bodies.
679
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:40,235
SHE WAS VERY WELL KEPT. RED
LIPSTICK, HER HAIR WAS ALWAYS DONE.
680
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,316
EVERYONE WAS FROWNING UPON
THAT BECAUSE MANY WERE ASKING,
681
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,155
"WHO'S DOING HER HAIR? WHY
DO HER NAILS LOOK SO GOOD?
682
00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:50,035
AH MY NAILS DON'T LOOK SO GOOD AND
YET I'VE GOT MY FREEDOM OUTSIDE."
683
00:45:50,039 --> 00:45:51,956
THOSE WERE THE SENTIMENTS
THAT WERE BEING SHARED.
684
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,956
She looks very good for
someone who is behind bars.
685
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,756
A LOT OF THE MEDIA
WERE REPORTING ON
686
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,996
WHAT BESTER WAS WEARING
DURING HIS COURT APPEARANCES,
687
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,996
AND WHAT NANDIPHA'S HAIR LOOKED LIKE,
AND WHAT HER MAKEUP LOOKED LIKE.
688
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,916
AND ALTHOUGH THERE IS
NOTHING INHERENTLY WRONG
689
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,715
WITH INCLUDING THOSE
ELEMENTS IN YOUR REPORT,
690
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,956
THAT SHOULDN'T BE THE FOCUS.
691
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,836
INSTEAD, THE FOCUS SHOULD BE ON
692
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,035
THE CRIMES THAT THEY
WERE BEING ACCUSED OF.
693
00:46:24,039 --> 00:46:27,796
WELL PEOPLE ACCUSED US OF
SENSATIONALISING THE STORY,
694
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,876
WHICH, I THINK, WAS
ABSOLUTE RUBBISH,
695
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:38,155
BECAUSE EVERYONE WAS ASKING, "WHERE
WAS THIS LIFESTYLE COMING FROM?"
696
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:40,195
THE ALLEGATIONS THAT
WERE BEING MADE,
697
00:46:40,199 --> 00:46:45,235
AND THE EXTRAVAGANCE WHICH WAS ON
PUBLIC DISPLAY FOR EVERYONE TO SEE,
698
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,235
TOLD A STORY ON ITS OWN.
699
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,115
Thabo Bester is demanding
the return of valuables
700
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:11,675
estimated to be
worth R29 million.
701
00:47:11,679 --> 00:47:14,476
WHEN HE APPEARED IN COURT
AFTER HIS RE-ARREST,
702
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,515
HE GAVE THE MAGISTRATE
A LIST OF ASSETS
703
00:47:18,519 --> 00:47:22,519
THAT HE SAID WAS TAKEN FROM
HIM IN TANZANIA BY POLICE.
704
00:47:23,519 --> 00:47:27,639
A Rolex O, R2.6
million, Two of those.
705
00:47:32,039 --> 00:47:37,396
MILLIONS OF RANDS WORTH OF
CASH, WATCHES, DESIGNER CLOTHES,
706
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,476
PHONES AND LAPTOPS,
707
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,675
WHICH, FIRSTLY, HE WOULD BE
BREAKING SEVERAL INTERNATIONAL LAWS
708
00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:47,075
BY CARRYING THOSE ASSETS
OVER BORDERS ILLEGALLY.
709
00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:51,075
SO HE'S INCRIMINATING HIMSELF,
NOT THAT HE SEEMS TO CARE.
710
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:53,639
AND, SECONDLY, IT JUST SEEMS
COMPLETELY UNBELIEVABLE.
711
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,396
WHAT IS STILL UNEXPLAINED
712
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,436
IS THE SOURCE OF HIS
"APPARENT" WEALTH.
713
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,635
THEY WERE READY TO FLASH IT,
QUITE PREPARED TO DISPLAY IT,
714
00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:08,195
BUT NO ONE HAS QUITE
CONNECTED ALL THE DOTS
715
00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:11,639
ABOUT HOW ALL OF THIS
WAS BEING FUNDED.
716
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,356
THE STORY ABOUT THE
BILLIONS IN THE BANK
717
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,519
COMES FROM AN ARTICLE
THAT WAS PUBLISHED...
718
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:23,836
QUOTING A LAWYER WHO WAS
APPROACHED BY BESTER,
719
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:28,476
IN WHICH BESTER CLAIMED
TO BE TOM MOTSEPE,
720
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,956
THE BROTHER OF THABO BESTER,
721
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,316
AND SAID THAT HE HAD
BILLIONS IN ASSETS
722
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,715
THAT HAD BEEN TAKEN AWAY BY
THE ASSET FORFEITURE UNIT,
723
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,876
AND THAT HE WANTED
THIS LAWYER'S HELP
724
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:43,436
IN GETTING THIS MONEY AND THE ASSETS
BACK FROM THE ASSET FORFEITURE UNIT
725
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,476
AND GIVING IT TO
NANDIPHA MAGUDUMANA.
726
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:47,996
AND THEN THE LAWYER,
OF COURSE, SAID,
727
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,316
"WELL ALL THESE DOCUMENTS
THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED ARE FAKE,
728
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:51,916
SO I'M NOT GONNA
TAKE YOUR CASE."
729
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,476
WHAT DO YOU MAKE
OF THE PICTURE
730
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,199
OF THABO BESTER AND JACOB ZUMA?
731
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:01,199
I'VE SEEN THAT PICTURE.
732
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:09,675
MAYBE JZ WAS SCAMMED BY THABO BESTER.
MAYBE HE'S A VICTIM. WE DON'T KNOW.
733
00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:12,595
THE JACOB ZUMA FOUNDATION
HAS VEHEMENTLY DENIED
734
00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:15,880
THAT ZUMA HAS EVER
MET THABO BESTER.
735
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,715
BUT, YOU KNOW, IF
YOU THINK ABOUT IT,
736
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,796
THABO BESTER HAS
OBVIOUSLY WORMED HIS WAY
737
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,035
INTO SOUTH AFRICA'S
RICH AND FAMOUS,
738
00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:29,876
AND HE COULD'VE GONE TO HAVE
A CUP OF TEA WITH JACOB ZUMA
739
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,559
TO PITCH A BUSINESS
INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY.
740
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,356
AND DOES IT MATTER IF
THAT PHOTO IS REAL OR NOT?
741
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,635
IT DOESN'T MATTER.
IT DOESN'T MATTER.
742
00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:41,956
I THINK ALL THAT MATTERS
IS THAT IT'S OUT THERE.
743
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,436
IT'S WHAT IT REPRESENTS.
744
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:48,956
ONCE THAT IDEA SETS IN, IT'S
ENOUGH TO BE PERSUASIVE TO PEOPLE.
745
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,715
JACOB ZUMA, HE WAS SOMEONE
WHO WAS ABLE TO BUILD A BRAND
746
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,035
AND A CULT OF
PERSONALITY AROUND HIM
747
00:49:55,039 --> 00:50:00,316
AS AN EVERYMAN JUST TRYING
TO RISE ABOVE ADVERSITY,
748
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,996
AND JUST TRYING TO
MAKE IT TO THE TOP,
749
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,635
AND IN THAT PRESENTATION SAYING
750
00:50:04,639 --> 00:50:09,035
THAT YOU TOO CAN ONE DAY BE IN THAT
POSITION OF POWER AND INFLUENCE.
751
00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:12,555
I THINK THABO BESTER WAS
SOMEONE WHO CLOCKED THAT.
752
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:16,916
THERE'S ALWAYS AN ELEMENT
OF ROMANTICISING CRIMINALS,
753
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,555
ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY GET
AWAY WITH DARING ACTS.
754
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:23,396
SO THE MYTH-MAKING
IS INEVITABLE,
755
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,400
BUT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT
THERE WERE VICTIMS HERE.
756
00:50:29,039 --> 00:50:31,276
Magudumana will apply for bail.
757
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,155
Back in May she temporarily
withdrew her bail bid.
758
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:38,155
WHEN SHE NOW DOES FINALLY
DECIDE TO APPLY FOR BAIL,
759
00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:39,836
SHE GIVES THE IMPRESSION
760
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:44,476
THAT SHE LEFT THE COUNTRY IN THE
FIRST INSTANCE AGAINST HER WILL,
761
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,960
EVEN THOUGH THERE'S FOOTAGE THAT
SHOWS HER IN THE PASSENGER SEAT.
762
00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:51,956
The question, so what
was she doing in Tanzania
763
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,356
if they arrested her unlawfully?
764
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,075
Was she on holiday?
Was she on honeymoon?
765
00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:57,155
Definitely they were
fleeing from the law.
766
00:50:57,159 --> 00:51:00,635
THIS IS SOMEONE WHO SAYS
THAT SHE WAS KIDNAPPED,
767
00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:06,756
BUT DID YOU SEE HOW THEY
BEHAVED TOWARDS EACH OTHER
768
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,675
IN COURT?
769
00:51:08,679 --> 00:51:10,916
While she claims
Bester kidnapped her,
770
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,356
the state alleges she's
Bester's girlfriend
771
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:18,035
who lived with him for almost a
year after facilitating his escape.
772
00:51:18,039 --> 00:51:20,199
AND THEN NANDIPHA
MAGUDUMANA...
773
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,316
WITH SOME CHUTZPAH,
RELEASED A STATEMENT,
774
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,515
ADDRESSING IT TO
FRIENDS AND FAMILY.
775
00:51:28,519 --> 00:51:31,635
BUT REALLY, THE SENSE
IS VERY CLEARLY HERE,
776
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:35,760
SHE'S ADDRESSING THE COUNTRY BECAUSE
OF OUR FASCINATION WITH THE STORY.
777
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:42,436
SHE SPEAKS ABOUT HER
ILLEGAL INCARCERATION,
778
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,155
AND THE CONVERSATIONS,
779
00:51:44,159 --> 00:51:49,555
THE DEEP CONVERSATIONS SHE HAS WITH
GOD EACH AND EVERY PASSING DAY.
780
00:51:49,559 --> 00:51:53,235
SHE THANKS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
ROOTING FOR HER, SUPPORTING HER,
781
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,956
AND EVEN PRAYING FOR HER.
782
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,996
SO FROM THE ONSET, SHE WANTS
TO GIVE THIS IMPRESSION
783
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,956
OF THIS RIGHTEOUS WOMAN,
784
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:06,075
SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN IMPRISONED
FOR SOME GREATER PURPOSE,
785
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:07,796
SOME GREATER CAUSE.
786
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,276
SHE SPEAKS TO HER
CHILDREN DIRECTLY.
787
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,996
"MOMMY MISSES YOU.
MOMMY LOVES YOU."
788
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,916
MOMMY IS FIGHTING WITH EVERYTHING
SHE HAS TO BE WITH YOU AGAIN.
789
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,876
"I WILL SEE YOU AGAIN
SOON," SHE SAYS.
790
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,276
You know, she came in
court, you know, singing,
791
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,756
and pretending to be praying,
792
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,956
and stuff like that. This
woman is a thug, bruh.
793
00:52:35,559 --> 00:52:38,956
I find that the applicant
is a definite flight risk,
794
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,155
and that no bail condition will
assist under the circumstances
795
00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:43,800
to limit this risk.
796
00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:50,599
You think this is Hyde
Park? Welcome to prison.
797
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,195
YOU KNOW, I'M
SORRY TO SAY THIS,
798
00:52:55,199 --> 00:52:57,035
BUT I HAVE TO SAY IT.
799
00:52:57,039 --> 00:53:00,836
I'VE SAID SOMETIMES TO GO TO
SCHOOL IS A WASTE OF MONEY.
800
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,555
DR NANDIPHA IS SO EDUCATED.
801
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:07,595
HER CALIBRE DOESN'T MATCH
WITH THIS ONE OF THABO BESTER.
802
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:11,115
NOW I'M TALKING ABOUT
AN EXPERIENCED DOCTOR.
803
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:13,235
SHE'S HAVING HER MONEY.
804
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,639
WHY SHE WAS TRICKED
BY THABO BESTER?
805
00:53:20,599 --> 00:53:25,195
I THINK, TO HER, IT FEELS
LIKE I'M A JUDAS OF SOME SORT.
806
00:53:25,199 --> 00:53:27,239
I'M A.. I BETRAYED HER.
807
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,595
AND THEY DO REALLY SAY LIKE,
808
00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:33,635
"DUDE, SHE REALLY,
REALLY, REALLY HATES YOU."
809
00:53:33,639 --> 00:53:37,079
BUT I WANTED THAT
MONSTER BEHIND BARS.
810
00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:44,916
I DECIDED THAT I WOULD GO TO
COURT AND SUPPORT NANDIPHA.
811
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,675
SHE'S MY SISTER,
AND SHE'S ONE OF US,
812
00:53:48,679 --> 00:53:50,996
AND WE WERE RAISED TO
SUPPORT EACH OTHER,
813
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,756
EVEN THOUGH THINGS MIGHT
HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
814
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,155
DO YOU THINK SHE WAS SURPRISED
815
00:53:56,159 --> 00:53:58,360
TO SEE YOU SITTING
THERE IN COURT?
816
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,515
PROBABLY. I THINK SHE
WAS SURPRISED, YES.
817
00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:07,239
SHE ACKNOWLEDGED
THAT I WAS THERE. JA.
818
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:09,796
HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO YOUR FAMILY
819
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,400
ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE
WITH THIS DOCUMENTARY?
820
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,276
I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO MY FAMILY
ABOUT THIS DOCUMENTARY.
821
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,239
IT WILL BE A SHOCK
TO THEM, AND...
822
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,115
THEY WILL TAKE IT
HOW THEY TAKE IT.
823
00:54:24,119 --> 00:54:29,555
AND, I MEAN, AS I'VE BEEN SPEAKING ON
THIS PLATFORM WITH NOTHING TO HIDE.
824
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,276
THIS WHOLE STORY SEEMS TO ME
825
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:45,000
TO HAVE BEEN AN
INTRICATE GAME OF CHESS.
826
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:51,396
WE KNOW THE QUEEN CAN
MAKE ALL SORTS OF MOVES,
827
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:56,436
AND WAS IT NOT DR MAGUDUMANA
WHO WAS FETCHING BODIES,
828
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,155
PLANNING ALL OF THIS?
829
00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:02,876
SO THERE THEY WERE,
THE KING AND THE QUEEN,
830
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,396
WITH ALL OF THESE LITTLE PAWNS,
831
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:10,035
WHO WERE, ULTIMATELY,
DISPENSABLE, EXPENDABLE
832
00:55:10,039 --> 00:55:12,840
IN THEIR LITTLE GAME OF CHESS.
833
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,555
The Thabo Bester escape
saga is set to go on trial.
834
00:55:19,559 --> 00:55:23,480
Nine people, including Bester,
are facing a raft of charges.
835
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:28,396
OF THE ACCUSED WE
HAVE THABO BESTER,
836
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,715
AND THEN, OF COURSE, THERE
ARE ALL THESE OFFICIALS,
837
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:36,159
SOME OF WHOM WORKED FOR G4S, ALL
OF THEM WORKING IN THAT FACILITY.
838
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,079
WE HAVE DR NANDIPHA...
839
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:43,199
HER FATHER...
840
00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:46,199
THEN WE HAVE HER GARDNER.
841
00:55:48,119 --> 00:55:51,039
THE LIST OF CHARGES
IS QUITE SERIOUS.
842
00:56:03,679 --> 00:56:06,115
BESTER PROBABLY HAS
THE LEAST TO LOSE
843
00:56:06,119 --> 00:56:09,639
OF ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE DOCK,
'CAUSE HE'S ALREADY IN PRISON.
844
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,515
MAGUDUMANA HAS SUFFERED
GREAT REPUTATIONAL DAMAGE
845
00:56:13,519 --> 00:56:15,115
FROM THIS WHOLE AFFAIR.
846
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:18,800
HELPING A PRISONER ESCAPE CAN
LAND YOU IN JAIL FOR 15 YEARS.
847
00:56:20,159 --> 00:56:23,476
THE CORRUPTIONS CHARGES ARE BASED
NOT ON THE AMOUNT THEY PAID,
848
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,235
BUT ON THE AMOUNT THEY PROMISED.
849
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,195
SO IF SHE'S CONVICTED
OF THE CRIMES,
850
00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:30,035
MAGUDUMANA FACES A
LONG TIME IN PRISON.
851
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,876
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO
SEE COME OUT OF THE TRIAL?
852
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:44,075
WELL I THINK JUST FOR THE
ACTUAL TRUTH TO COME OUT,
853
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:47,555
BECAUSE THERE ARE STILL
SO MANY QUESTIONS.
854
00:56:47,559 --> 00:56:48,675
QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE,
855
00:56:48,679 --> 00:56:51,476
QUESTIONS THAT OUR
COLLEAGUES IN THE MEDIA HAVE,
856
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,396
THAT THE BROADER
PUBLIC STILL HAS,
857
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,800
REGARDING HOW EXACTLY WAS
THIS ABLE TO TAKE PLACE.
858
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:05,916
I'D LIKE TO SEE A PROPER
INVESTIGATION DONE
859
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,876
WITH A PROPER
PROSECUTION, EVIDENCE-LED.
860
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,756
I'D LIKE TO SEE GOOD
CROSS-EXAMINATION
861
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:17,876
TO ANNIHILATE BESTER AND NANDIPHA,
BECAUSE THEY'RE TALKING CRAP.
862
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:22,195
SO CERTAINLY THE ANSWERS ARE
OWED TO THE SOUTH AFRICAN PUBLIC.
863
00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:25,035
IT'S NOT JUT A STORY
THAT'S SENSATIONAL,
864
00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:28,595
IT'S, LIKE, ALSO IN MY
BRAIN I'M GOING THROUGH,
865
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:33,996
"WHAT IS..? WHAT ARE WE LIVING
IN? WHAT HAS OUR COUNTRY COME TO?
866
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,115
WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT?"
867
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,679
WHAT DO YOU THINK
OF THABO BESTER NOW?
868
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,555
I'll ALWAYS HATE THABO
BESTER. I'll ALWAYS HATE HIM.
869
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:55,075
I HATE WHAT HE'S DONE
TO MANY FAMILIES,
870
00:57:55,079 --> 00:57:56,675
NOT JUST MY FAMILY.
871
00:57:56,679 --> 00:58:01,195
THE VICTIMS OF THE SHENANIGANS
HE WAS INVOLVED IN.
872
00:58:01,199 --> 00:58:06,476
I'M NOT THE TYPE OF PERSON WHO GOES
AROUND HATING PEOPLE, I LOVE PEOPLE,
873
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,796
BUT I DON'T THINK HE'S A PERSON.
874
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:15,075
AND I HOPE.. NO MATTER
WHATEVER HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE,
875
00:58:15,079 --> 00:58:19,476
HE'LL NEVER BE
RELEASED FROM CUSTODY.
876
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,316
HE'LL DIE IN JAIL. HE
DESERVES TO DIE IN JAIL. MM.
877
00:58:38,239 --> 00:58:43,515
Thabo Bester, Dr Nandipha trial
is gonna be, like, everywhere.
878
00:58:43,519 --> 00:58:48,960
It must have the same commentators
who do Xhosa commentary for rugby.
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