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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,076 They finally identified who it was 2 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,835 that burned down in the cell, that was allegedly Thabo Bester. 3 00:00:12,839 --> 00:00:19,035 FOOTBALL, JOKES, SINGING.. TILL HE DIED. 4 00:00:19,039 --> 00:00:21,555 ...whose body was finally been laid to rest. 5 00:00:21,559 --> 00:00:23,996 THE BODY, THE DECOY. 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,839 WHOSE CHARRED REMAINS WERE IN THAT CELL? 7 00:00:28,719 --> 00:00:33,355 FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR THERE WAS NO NAME. 8 00:00:33,359 --> 00:00:35,755 OF COURSE, THERE WAS NO FACE. 9 00:00:35,759 --> 00:00:40,159 NOW WE HAD A NAME, KATLEGO BERENG. 10 00:00:43,119 --> 00:00:45,880 His mother is in a total state. 11 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,435 Completely emotional. 12 00:00:50,439 --> 00:00:52,516 The sad part is that Katlego's family 13 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,035 has been thinking that this man has been missing all of this time. 14 00:00:56,039 --> 00:00:59,475 PEOPLE ARE ONLY CONCENTRATING ON THE CASE, 15 00:00:59,479 --> 00:01:01,439 BUT NOT ON HOW MY SON DIED. 16 00:01:02,719 --> 00:01:05,435 TO FIND YOUR FAMILY MEMBER'S BODY 17 00:01:05,439 --> 00:01:08,116 CHARRED BEYOND RECOGNITION IN A PRISON CELL. 18 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,040 Guy, the trauma. 19 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,760 WHAT WAS IT LIKE TO SEE THE BODY? 20 00:01:58,239 --> 00:02:00,239 IT WAS BAD. 21 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,556 IT WAS BAD BECAUSE HE WAS BURNED BEYOND RECOGNITION, YOU KNOW? 22 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,755 IT ONLY TOOK A FEELING OF A PARENT TO A CHILD TO SAY, 23 00:02:09,759 --> 00:02:12,000 "YES, THIS IS MY SON." 24 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,676 If I can see him again 25 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,840 I will still express the same love. 26 00:02:32,599 --> 00:02:36,319 WE HAD KATLEGO WHEN WE WERE TOO YOUNG, MONICA AND I. 27 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,719 AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, WE LOST TOUCH WHILE SHE WAS PREGNANT. 28 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:48,635 BUT I MADE IT A POINT WHEN I STARTED WORKING THAT I MUST LOOK FOR HIM. 29 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,800 UP UNTIL I FOUND HIM IN 2008. 30 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,315 WHAT WAS IT LIKE TO BE REUNITED? 31 00:02:55,319 --> 00:02:59,276 IT WAS SO BEAUTIFUL, YOU KNOW, KNOWING THAT, FINALLY, 32 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,435 I'M UNITED WITH MY FIRST BORN. 33 00:03:02,439 --> 00:03:07,276 NOW I HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AS THE FATHER, YOU KNOW, 34 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,240 TO HELP MONICA TO RAISE HIM. 35 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,759 I WAS SAVING ONE CHILD. KATLEGO BERENG. 36 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,560 I DIDN'T REALISE HE WAS YOUR ONLY CHILD. 37 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,520 IT WAS ONLY KATLEGO BERENG. MM. 38 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,996 FOR US, WE THOUGHT MAYBE, 39 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,475 HE JUST WENT SOMEWHERE TO LOOK FOR A JOB, 40 00:03:32,479 --> 00:03:35,796 HE JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, TO SURPRISE US, 41 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:41,155 AND HE WAS SOMEBODY WHO ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, PUT SOMETHING ON SOCIAL MEDIA. 42 00:03:41,159 --> 00:03:45,396 AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, HE WAS NO LONGER ACTIVE ON SOCIAL MEDIA. 43 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,116 THEN MY WIFE SAID TO ME, 44 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,276 "I'VE SEARCHED FOR HIM FOR A WHILE ON SOCIAL MEDIA, 45 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:52,879 I DON'T SEE HIM POSTING ANYTHING." 46 00:04:24,439 --> 00:04:26,796 I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, FORESEE THE WORST. 47 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,195 BUT I SAID, "AS RESPONSIBLE PARENTS WE HAVE TO DO THE RIGHT THING." 48 00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:34,875 I THEN ENCOURAGED MONICA TO GO AND OPEN A MISSING PERSON REPORT. 49 00:04:34,879 --> 00:04:38,275 Katlego Mpholo's family has rejected the police report 50 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,879 that says he collapsed in town and was taken to hospital. 51 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:05,156 HOW MUCH TIME WENT BY TO THE TRUTHS BEING KNOWN? 52 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,195 THAT, "HEY, THE PERSON WHO ACTUALLY BURNT IN THAT CELL 53 00:05:09,199 --> 00:05:11,156 WAS NOT THABO BESTER." 54 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,796 AND THOSE WHO KNEW CHOSE TO IGNORE. 55 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,635 BECAUSE THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO KNEW. 56 00:05:17,639 --> 00:05:22,000 THIS WASN'T LEAKED TO GROUNDUP BY AN INMATE. 57 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,195 IT TOOK A FORMER CONSTITUTIONAL COURT JUDGE 58 00:05:27,199 --> 00:05:29,676 TO BLOW THE LID ON THE STORY. 59 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,476 JUDGE EDWIN CAMERON WAS THE INITIAL WHISTLE-BLOWER 60 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,000 THAT LED US DOWN THIS PATH. 61 00:05:37,519 --> 00:05:40,075 FROM THE BEGINNING, MY EDITOR NATHAN, 62 00:05:40,079 --> 00:05:45,000 LET ME KNOW THAT OUR SOURCE WAS JUSTICE EDWIN CAMERON. 63 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:50,356 THE VERY FIRST RED FLAG CAME WITHIN DAYS 64 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:55,996 OF THE ALLEGED DEATH OF THABO BESTER IN MANGAUNG MAXIMUM PRISON. 65 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,796 AND THAT WAS THE STRANGENESS OF IT. 66 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:02,556 YOU DON'T EASILY COMMIT SUICIDE BY SELF INCINERATION 67 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,275 INSIDE THE MOST SECURE WING 68 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:09,315 OF ONE THE THREE MOST SECURE PRISONS IN SOUTH AFRICA. 69 00:06:09,319 --> 00:06:11,755 SO WE WERE ALERTED TO IT. 70 00:06:11,759 --> 00:06:14,676 WE WERE CONDUCTING OUR INVESTIGATION. 71 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,075 WE KEPT THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONAL SERVICES 72 00:06:18,079 --> 00:06:19,596 AND THE MINISTER INFORMED. 73 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,800 I WROTE TO BOTH THE NATIONAL COMMISSIONER AND TO THE MINISTER. 74 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,556 BUT NOTHING WAS HAPPENING. 75 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,996 AND BY SEPTEMBER I STARTED ALERTING NATHAN GEFFEN, 76 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,959 FOUNDER/EDITOR OF GROUNDUP. 77 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,955 ON THE 12TH OF OCTOBER I SENT HIM THE FIRST LEAK. 78 00:06:38,959 --> 00:06:40,356 This astonishing story 79 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,075 was uncovered by online non-profit news agency GroundUp. 80 00:06:44,079 --> 00:06:46,716 I'm joined now by their editor, Nathan Geffen. 81 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,356 Why has it taken so long for the authorities 82 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,835 to make sure that that body that was unrecognisable was indeed him? 83 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,635 It really seems to be shambolic. 84 00:06:54,639 --> 00:06:57,796 They're failing to answer questions that are of immense public interest. 85 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,755 The Department of Correctional Services 86 00:06:59,759 --> 00:07:02,676 surely has quite a bit of egg on their face over this. 87 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,996 And I think this is incompetence or negligence 88 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,000 or corruption of the highest degree. 89 00:07:09,959 --> 00:07:12,796 I DID NOT HAVE CONFIDENCE 90 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,835 THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONAL SERVICES, OR G4S, 91 00:07:16,839 --> 00:07:22,716 OR THE SAPS WOULD MOUNT A VIGOROUS, SWIFT 92 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,356 RESPONSIVE CAMPAIGN OF ACTION, 93 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,435 AND I KNEW THAT WE HAD TO INVOLVE INDEPENDENT MEDIA. 94 00:07:37,879 --> 00:07:41,156 JUSTICE CAMERON IS A VERY IMPORTANT PERSON 95 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:45,680 IN SOUTH AFRICAN SOCIETY. HE'S CONTRIBUTED TREMENDOUSLY. 96 00:07:46,639 --> 00:07:50,476 AND HE'S CURRENTLY THE INSPECTING JUDGE OF CORRECTIONAL SERVICES. 97 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,156 SO HE'S THE HEAD OF THE JUDICIAL INSPECTORATE, JICS, 98 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,996 WHICH HAS A MANDATE TO INVESTIGATE 99 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,716 ANY UNNATURAL DEATHS IN PRISON FACILITIES, 100 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,680 TO OVERSEE THE TREATMENT OF INMATES. 101 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:09,315 WE ARE VERY CONCERNED WHEN WE GET INFORMATION FROM PRISONERS. 102 00:08:09,319 --> 00:08:13,319 WE SEE PRISONERS AS BEING OUR EARLY WARNING SYSTEM. 103 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,875 I CONFERRED WITH JUDGE NOKUTHULA DANISO 104 00:08:29,879 --> 00:08:31,716 OF THE FREE STATE HIGH COURT, 105 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,275 WHO THE JUDGE PRESIDENT HAD SENT TO MANGAUNG 106 00:08:34,279 --> 00:08:38,316 WHEN HE GOT A LETTER FROM ONE OF THE PRISONERS RAISING THE ALARM, 107 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,675 TELLING THIS INCREDIBLE STORY THAT THABO BESTER HAD ACTUALLY ESCAPED. 108 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,919 THERE WAS SOMETHING VERY UNTOWARD HAPPENING. 109 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:14,236 THE LITTLE MORSEL THAT MADE ME THINK THAT HE'D ESCAPED WAS, 110 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,515 I THINK THE MISSTEP THAT DR MAGUDUMANA COMMITTED. 111 00:09:18,519 --> 00:09:22,035 WHICH WAS THAT SHE WANTED THE BODY. 112 00:09:22,039 --> 00:09:24,395 TO DO AWAY WITH IT, TO GET IT OUT. 113 00:09:24,399 --> 00:09:28,996 TO MAKE SURE THAT ITS DNA WASN'T GOING TO TELL TALES. 114 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:34,035 SOME ENTERPRISING CONSTABLE, WHO DESERVES HONOUR, IN BLOEMFONTEIN, 115 00:09:34,039 --> 00:09:37,076 SAID, "I'M NOT RELEASING THE BODY 'CAUSE I'M SUSPICIOUS." 116 00:09:40,759 --> 00:09:43,716 WHO ACTUALLY DID HIS JOB. AND WENT TO ALERT HIS SUPERIOR 117 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,275 ABOUT THIS STRANGE PERSON WHO WAS CLAIMING, 118 00:09:45,279 --> 00:09:46,759 YOU KNOW, THE THIRD BODY IN A ROW. 119 00:09:47,879 --> 00:09:50,675 YOU KNOW? BUY THAT MAN A BELLS. 120 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,196 SHE DECIDED TO GO TO COURT. 121 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:54,840 BIG MISTAKE. 122 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,035 HE WAS ALREADY OUT BY THEN. 123 00:10:01,039 --> 00:10:06,915 WHEN SHE WENT TO COURT, SHE WROTE AN AFFIDAVIT FULL OF LIES. 124 00:10:06,919 --> 00:10:12,196 LIES ABOUT HOW SHE MET THABO BESTER, LIES ABOUT WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP WAS. 125 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,755 LIES ABOUT EVERY DETAIL. 126 00:10:14,759 --> 00:10:17,035 WHEN WE GOT HOLD OF THAT AFFIDAVIT, 127 00:10:17,039 --> 00:10:20,996 ALL THE LOOSE THREADS STARTED COMING APART. 128 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,915 I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED THE HAWKS, THE SAPS, 129 00:10:29,919 --> 00:10:33,515 THE DEPARTMENT, AND G4S TO SPRING INTO ACTION, 130 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:36,035 TO FOLLOW UP, WHERE WAS THABO BESTER? 131 00:10:36,039 --> 00:10:38,116 WHO WAS THIS DR MAGUDUMANA? 132 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,196 IF YOU FIND OUT WHERE SHE'S RESIDING, 133 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,720 "HEY, PRESTO, MIRACLE. HERE'S THABO BESTER." 134 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:06,196 SO MANGUANG CORRECTIONAL CENTRE IS A PRIVATE PRISON OPERATED BY G4S. 135 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,600 G4S IS A MULTI-NATIONAL SECURITY COMPANY. 136 00:11:10,919 --> 00:11:12,236 THEY'RE MASSIVE. 137 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,795 THEY EMPLOY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. 138 00:11:15,799 --> 00:11:18,035 THEY'RE NOT JUST IN THE PRIVATE PRISONS' SPACE, 139 00:11:18,039 --> 00:11:19,956 THEY'RE ALSO IN THE PRIVATE SECURITY SPACE, 140 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:21,795 THEY IN THE CASH IN TRANSIT SPACE. 141 00:11:21,799 --> 00:11:25,875 THEY'VE GOT A BIT OF A SKETCHY TRACK RECORD INTERNATIONALLY. 142 00:11:25,879 --> 00:11:28,635 SOME OF THEIR PRISONS IN THE UK HAVE BEEN CLOSED, 143 00:11:28,639 --> 00:11:30,875 OR THEIR CONTRACTS HAVE BEEN TAKEN AWAY 144 00:11:30,879 --> 00:11:34,515 AFTER EVIDENCE OF HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSE HAS EMERGED. 145 00:11:34,519 --> 00:11:36,436 I think many of us didn't even know 146 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:37,956 there were private prisons. 147 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:39,155 So in my mind I'm like, 148 00:11:39,159 --> 00:11:42,915 "What's the difference between government and private business?" 149 00:11:42,919 --> 00:11:44,996 The one has to make money. 150 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,035 PRIVATE PRISONS, 151 00:11:46,039 --> 00:11:50,116 THEY'RE THERE TO MAKE MONEY OFF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. 152 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:55,555 AND THEY GET PAID SOMEWHAT THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT FOR A PRISONER 153 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,559 THAN A PRISONER IN THE NORMAL SYSTEM. 154 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,795 THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN PAYING ABOUT R45 MILLION A MONTH 155 00:12:01,799 --> 00:12:04,716 TO G4S FOR THE MANAGEMENT OF MANGAUNG. 156 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,356 AND TO DATE HAS PAID ABOUT R7 BILLION ON THE PRISON, 157 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:13,476 AND IF THE CONTRACT CONTINUES UNTIL 2026, 158 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,836 THE GOVERNMENT EXPECTS TO PAY ABOUT R9 BILLION. 159 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:21,795 SOUTH AFRICA HAS A MASSIVE PROBLEM WITH OUR PRISON SYSTEM. 160 00:12:21,799 --> 00:12:23,675 AND IT'S ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS, 161 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,875 FROM A SOCIO-ECONOMIC PERSPECTIVE THROUGH TO A JUSTICE PERSPECTIVE 162 00:12:26,879 --> 00:12:28,515 THROUGH TO A FUNDING PERSPECTIVE. 163 00:12:28,519 --> 00:12:32,395 SOME ESTIMATE THAT OUR PRISONS ARE 140 PERCENT FULL. 164 00:12:32,399 --> 00:12:33,956 WHEN YOU'VE GOT THAT ENVIRONMENT 165 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:38,155 THE PRISON WARDERS HAVE BECOME VERY SCARED FOR THEIR LIVES. 166 00:12:38,159 --> 00:12:39,875 THERE'S TOO MANY PEOPLE. 167 00:12:39,879 --> 00:12:42,395 THE DCS, THE GOVERNMENT PRISONS, 168 00:12:42,399 --> 00:12:47,275 THEY KEPT PLUS-MINUS 40 TO 50 INMATES IN THE ONE SECTION. 169 00:12:47,279 --> 00:12:50,515 WHILE I WAS WORKING THERE I USED TO CALL THEM "STREETS". 170 00:12:50,519 --> 00:12:53,716 BUT, YOU KNOW, I PREFER TO WORK IN DCS 171 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,515 BECAUSE IT'S A SAFER PLACE THAN G4S. 172 00:12:56,519 --> 00:13:01,196 BECAUSE MOST OF THE "STREETS" WILL BE CARRYING 64 INMATES. 173 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,035 ONE IS EQUALS TO 64 INMATES. REALLY. 174 00:13:04,039 --> 00:13:06,200 YOU ARE ALONE, THEY'LL KILL YOU. 175 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:08,596 WARDENS OFTEN GET THREATENED. 176 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,716 SO, YOU KNOW, INMATES WILL SAY, 177 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,155 "I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE AND I KNOW WHERE YOUR KIDS GO TO SCHOOL, 178 00:13:15,159 --> 00:13:18,956 AND I HAVE LOTS OF CONTACTS OUTSIDE OF THERE, 179 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,035 SO YOU DO THIS THING OF ME OR ELSE." 180 00:13:22,039 --> 00:13:27,635 AND I THINK THAT'S MORE THE REASON WHY THE SYSTEM FAILS. 181 00:13:27,639 --> 00:13:31,836 I THINK THAT WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE IS A GRIEVOUS INSTANCE, 182 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:36,155 IT'S THE MOST ASTOUNDING INSTANCE, OF THIS KIND OF ESCAPE. 183 00:13:36,159 --> 00:13:40,559 BUT IT IS SYMPTOMATIC OF PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT THE PRISON SYSTEM. 184 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,716 G4S AND BLOEMFONTEIN CORRECTIONAL CONTRACTS 185 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,679 WERE INVITED TO COME TO PARLIAMENT 186 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:51,236 BY THE PORTFOLIO COMMITTEE OF CORRECTIONAL SERVICES AND JUSTICE, 187 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,596 TO COME AND ACCOUNT AND GIVE A PRESENTATION 188 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,915 OF THEIR INVESTIGATIONS INTO THE THABO BESTER ESCAPE, 189 00:14:57,919 --> 00:14:59,639 AND TO SAY WHAT HAD HAPPENED. 190 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,196 G4S HAD SENT US A LETTER THAT MORNING, I THINK, 191 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:10,915 OR IT WAS THE NIGHT BEFORE, TO THE CHAIRPERSON 192 00:15:10,919 --> 00:15:12,716 SAYING THEY WEREN'T COMING. 193 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,035 THEY SAID THAT CONFIDENTIALITY CLAUSES IN THEIR CONTRACT, 194 00:15:16,039 --> 00:15:19,875 AS WELL AS IN THE CORRECTIONAL SERVICES ACT, 195 00:15:19,879 --> 00:15:22,515 PROHIBITED THEM FROM COMING TO PARLIAMENT 196 00:15:22,519 --> 00:15:25,275 WITHOUT A PARLIAMENTARY SUMMONS. 197 00:15:25,279 --> 00:15:29,559 WHICH WOULD BASICALLY GRANT THEM IMMUNITY FROM THOSE CLAUSES. 198 00:15:30,879 --> 00:15:35,236 CAN PRIVATE CORPORATIONS GET AWAY WITH THIS KIND OF THING 199 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,395 WITHOUT GIVING ANY ANSWERS? 200 00:15:37,399 --> 00:15:38,956 THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD. 201 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:48,675 I am absolutely outraged that G4S 202 00:15:48,679 --> 00:15:52,436 thumbed their nose at a committee of Parliament. 203 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,240 A portfolio committee of Parliament, to which they should account. 204 00:15:57,159 --> 00:15:59,795 It's very clear that they have something to hide. 205 00:15:59,799 --> 00:16:02,120 WE CAN'T GO AHEAD WITHOUT THEM, THERE'S NO POINT. 206 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,716 THE KIND OF ANSWERS WE NEED, THEY MUST BE PRESENT, 207 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,480 AND POSTPONE THIS MEETING AND SUMMONS THEM. 208 00:16:17,559 --> 00:16:20,836 DO YOU REMEMBER WHERE YOU WERE WHEN YOU HEARD THE NEWS? 209 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:21,875 I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS IS GONNA SOUND, 210 00:16:21,879 --> 00:16:24,556 - BUT I WAS ACTUALLY SLEEPING, - AND THEN I WOKE UP... 211 00:16:24,562 --> 00:16:27,236 - SHOULD I SAY THAT? - JA. THAT'S PERFECT. 212 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:32,236 OKAY. I WAS WOKEN UP BY A YOUTUBE NOTIFICATION. 213 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:37,236 ONE SATURDAY MORNING WE WOKE UP QUITE SURPRISED TO SEE A TWEET GOING AROUND 214 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,840 THAT BESTER AND MAGUDUMANA HAD BEEN ARRESTED IN TANZANIA. 215 00:16:44,879 --> 00:16:47,795 In breaking news. Rapist and murderer, Thabo Bester, 216 00:16:47,799 --> 00:16:48,956 has been arrested. 217 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,795 ...last night in Arusha, in Tanzania. 218 00:16:51,799 --> 00:16:55,116 It's believed his partner, Dr Nandipha Magudumana, 219 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:56,720 was also apprehended. 220 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,956 PICTURES STARTED CIRCULATING UPON THEIR ARREST, 221 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,595 AND BESTER WAS WEARING A WHITE HEAD SCARF. 222 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:07,396 What is this with a dishcloth on your head? 223 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,595 Just tell me. Is that a disguise? 224 00:17:10,599 --> 00:17:12,156 This is what you look like. 225 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:16,236 This story just keeps getting f♪♪♪ing crazier. 226 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,676 Apparently they were in Tanzania illegally. 227 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,916 Also caught with a bunch of passports on them. 228 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,315 SEVERAL PASSPORTS WERE FOUND ON THEIR POSSESSION, 229 00:17:23,319 --> 00:17:27,996 INCLUDING A PASSPORT BELONGING TO DR PASHY, ONE OF THEIR SCAM VICTIMS. 230 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:32,436 A PASSPORT BELONGING TO NANDIPHA MAGUDUMANA HERSELF. 231 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,795 AND THEN, OF COURSE, BESTER DIDN'T HAVE A REAL IDENTITY, 232 00:17:35,799 --> 00:17:41,515 SO HE WAS FOUND WITH A FAKE US PASSPORT IN THE NAME OF TOM KELLY. 233 00:17:41,519 --> 00:17:44,916 WHICH IS ALSO ONE OF THE ALIASES HE'S USED IN THE PAST. 234 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:50,436 IT'S A VERY PROFESSIONAL, AND A VERY CLOSE-KNIT AND SMALL COMMUNITY 235 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,555 THAT ACTUALLY MANUFACTURE FAKE PASSPORTS. 236 00:17:53,559 --> 00:17:55,795 SO THOSE PASSPORTS HE WAS FOUND IN POSSESSION OF 237 00:17:55,799 --> 00:17:57,476 WOULD HAVE COST HIM A LOT OF MONEY. 238 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:58,676 THEY OBVIOUSLY WORKED 239 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,795 BECAUSE HE WAS ABLE TO GET INTO TANZANIA FROM SOUTH AFRICA. 240 00:18:01,799 --> 00:18:03,315 BUT THEY WEREN'T STAMPED. 241 00:18:03,319 --> 00:18:04,839 VERY STRANGE. 242 00:18:05,759 --> 00:18:07,436 How they left, they left illegally. 243 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,835 They left the country illegally because they... 244 00:18:10,839 --> 00:18:14,515 Nothing shows in any.. Whatever form of documentation 245 00:18:14,519 --> 00:18:19,476 that they left the country legally. Maybe they'll explain. 246 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,916 SO IT MEANS THAT EITHER THEY DIDN'T PASS THROUGH A BORDER POST, 247 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,236 OR THEY PAID SOMEBODY AT A BORDER POST, 248 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,916 OR THEY PAID SOMEBODY TO MOVE THEM ACROSS 249 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,555 WITHOUT HAVING TO PRODUCE THOSE PASSPORTS. 250 00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:32,960 BUT WE ALL KNOW OUR BORDERS ARE VERY, VERY POROUS. 251 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,636 It's a deportation, not an extradition? 252 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,156 Who helped them? How did they get out of the country? 253 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:43,555 Police are still trying to figure out 254 00:18:43,559 --> 00:18:46,315 how they're gonna deport Dr Nandipha from Tanzania 255 00:18:46,319 --> 00:18:50,196 to face justice for a warrant that she has in South Africa. 256 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,236 THEY HAD TO PLAY IT QUITE CAREFULLY 257 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,916 BECAUSE WHEN SOMEONE'S ARRESTED IN ANOTHER COUNTRY 258 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:56,996 AND YOU WANNA BRING THEM BACK TO FACE TRIAL, 259 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,916 THEY NEED TO NORMALLY BE EXTRADITED. 260 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:00,835 Thabo Bester, on the hand, it's a lot easier, 261 00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:03,595 because he is an escaped convicted felon, 262 00:19:03,599 --> 00:19:05,595 so he's just getting deported to come back here 263 00:19:05,599 --> 00:19:07,115 to continue serving his time. 264 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,436 SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT THE SOUTH AFRICAN GOVERNMENT 265 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:14,636 MADE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE TANZANIAN GOVERNMENT 266 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:18,595 THAT MAGUDUMANA AND BESTER WOULD BOTH BE DEPORTED 267 00:19:18,599 --> 00:19:22,559 AND THAT THEY CAN BE TAKEN IN A SOUTH AFRICAN PLANE. 268 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,876 SOUTH AFRICA IS A FASCINATING PLACE. 269 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,956 OUR POLITICIANS DON'T READILY GET EMBARRASSED 270 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,236 BY THE FACT THAT THE COUNTRY HAS BEEN EXPERIENCING BLACKOUTS, 271 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:40,515 ELECTRICITY POWER CUTS, IN EXCESS OF 15 YEARS. 272 00:19:40,519 --> 00:19:44,835 AND SO FLIGHTS WERE CHARTERED, HOME AFFAIRS OFFICIALS GOT ON-BOARD. 273 00:19:44,839 --> 00:19:50,156 THEY WILL LEAVE NO EXPENSE TO TRY AND SECURE THESE TWO 274 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,515 BECAUSE THIS IS THE STORY THE NATION IS TALKING ABOUT. 275 00:19:53,519 --> 00:19:55,236 Why would you need to charter a private jet? 276 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,636 Chairperson, simply put, 277 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,835 it was part of negotiations with the officials on the other side. 278 00:20:01,839 --> 00:20:04,315 So the Tanzanian's wanted to fly to South Africa 279 00:20:04,319 --> 00:20:07,079 on a private jet? Is that what you're saying? 280 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:10,480 It's a yes or no answer. 281 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,515 No, I'm not going to answer that way. No. 282 00:20:13,519 --> 00:20:14,755 Then don't answer. 283 00:20:14,759 --> 00:20:17,075 - You can tell us to answer yes or no. - No, don't answer. 284 00:20:17,079 --> 00:20:18,835 - Absolutely not in court here. - It's fine. 285 00:20:18,839 --> 00:20:22,200 THERE WAS A MANHUNT THAT WAS AT A PRETTY ADVANCED STAGE. 286 00:20:24,319 --> 00:20:27,236 BUT IT SEEMS THE ARREST ITSELF WAS DONE BY TANZANIAN AUTHORITIES, 287 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:28,956 NOT BY SOUTH AFRICAN AUTHORITIES. 288 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,595 SO THE POLICE WORK WAS DONE BY THE TANZANIANS, 289 00:20:31,599 --> 00:20:33,275 THEY DID THE JOB THAT THE SOUTH AFRICANS 290 00:20:33,279 --> 00:20:36,920 WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE DONE A YEAR EARLIER, AND HANDED HIM OVER. 291 00:20:41,559 --> 00:20:43,315 Convicted rapist and murderer Thabo Bester, 292 00:20:43,319 --> 00:20:45,275 and his accomplice Dr Nandipha Magudumana 293 00:20:45,279 --> 00:20:49,636 are actually expected to touch down in South Africa any minute now. 294 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,115 NOBODY KNEW WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO LAND. 295 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,720 IT WAS.. A SECRET. 296 00:20:55,839 --> 00:20:57,515 WE HAD TO SNIFF OUT. 297 00:20:57,519 --> 00:21:00,916 FORTUNATELY WE HAD ACCESS TO SOME INFORMATION, 298 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:05,075 AND WE BASICALLY CAMPED OUT AT THE LANSERIA AIRPORT. 299 00:21:05,079 --> 00:21:07,275 SO DID YOU STAY AWAKE THE WHOLE NIGHT? 300 00:21:07,279 --> 00:21:11,636 YES, WE DID. SO WE HAD BEEN THERE FROM 20:00 301 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,996 UNTIL 16:00 THE NEXT DAY WHEN THEY ARRIVED. 302 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,275 Well shortly after 16:00, 303 00:21:18,279 --> 00:21:23,676 the aircraft carrying Thabo Bester and Dr Nandipha Magudumana arrived. 304 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,515 HE WAS THEN WHISKED INTO THE POLICE NYALA. 305 00:21:27,519 --> 00:21:29,559 Mr Bester, do you have anything to say?! 306 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:31,996 Mr Bester, do you have anything to say?! 307 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,680 I see you there. 308 00:21:34,839 --> 00:21:39,396 Dr Nandipha Magudumana walked right past us. 309 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,716 AND YOU WOULD'VE SEEN A VIDEO THAT HAD GONE VIRAL WHERE I ASKED HER... 310 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,240 Dr Nandipha Magudumana, do you have anything to say? 311 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,956 MAYBE FOR HER, AT THAT MOMENT, 312 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,956 EVERYTHING COULD'VE SUNK IN. 313 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,876 The reality that.. Her freedom is gone. 314 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:01,000 Escapee Mr.. Thabo Bester... 315 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,960 or well known as Thabo Bester... 316 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:10,279 with his accomplice, also known as Dr Nandipha "Magudumalong", 317 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,880 with a Mozambican national, have been arrested. 318 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:26,160 This is where Thabo Bester was brought to under 24 hour guard. 319 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,279 WHEN NANDIPHA WAS APPREHENDED WITH THABO BESTER... 320 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,156 THERE WAS A SENSE OF RELIEF. 321 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:48,156 I CALLED MY BROTHER-IN-LAW, NANDIPHA'S HUSBAND, 322 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,555 I ASKED HIM HOW HE FEELS, HE SAID NO, HE'S RELIEVED, 323 00:22:51,559 --> 00:22:55,396 BECAUSE NOW HE CAN EXPLAIN TO THE KIDS 324 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,996 THAT, "MOMMY DID A FEW WRONG THINGS, 325 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,115 AND SHE'S GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO ANSWER," 326 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:07,440 WHICH IS A BIT BETTER THAN SAYING, "NO, MOMMY IS BACK IN A BODY BAG." 327 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,039 Are you okay? 328 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,996 Okay. Do you wanna say anything? 329 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,400 - No. - Okay. 330 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,515 Zolile Sekeleni... 331 00:23:21,519 --> 00:23:23,956 Nandipha Magudumana father... 332 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,355 The reason why Dr Nandi's dad was jailed 333 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:27,595 and is now appearing in court 334 00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:30,555 is because they believe that he helped Thabo Bester escape. 335 00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:33,956 It's alleged he hired the car that transported Bereng's body. 336 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,555 IT'S POSSIBLY, FOR ME, 337 00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:40,676 THE MOST PUZZLING PIECE OF THIS ENTIRE STORY. 338 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:45,515 WAS IT FOR MONEY? WAS IT FOR ACCESS TO THE FANCY MANSION? 339 00:23:45,519 --> 00:23:48,075 WAS IT FOR THE FLASHY CARS? 340 00:23:48,079 --> 00:23:51,196 YOU WOULD EXPECT THAT IF NANDIPHA MAGUDUMANA 341 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,515 WAS GONNA GET HERSELF INVOLVED IN SOMETHING LIKE THAT, 342 00:23:54,519 --> 00:23:57,355 HER FATHER WOULD BE THE VOICE OF REASON. 343 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:12,035 I'M VERY CROSS WITH NANDIPHA THAT SHE GOT MY FATHER INVOLVED. 344 00:24:12,039 --> 00:24:14,835 IT'S UNHEARD OF, YOU KNOW? 345 00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:19,920 WE SHOULD BE THE ONES PROTECTING OUR PARENTS. 346 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,839 SHE SHOULD'VE.. FEAR, DREAD. 347 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,236 THE DISAPPOINTMENT OF HER FATHER. 348 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,355 NO, HE'S AN ACCOMPLICE. ALLEGEDLY. 349 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,515 I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT IF MY FATHER HAD BEEN ALIVE, 350 00:24:34,519 --> 00:24:37,519 AND I'D ASKED HIM TO DO THAT FOR ME, HE WOULD'VE SAID NO. 351 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,119 AND DRAGGED ME OFF, BY MY EAR, TO THE NEAREST POLICE STATION. 352 00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:53,595 MY DAD IS ALLOWED TO BE AT HOME EVEN THOUGH HIS MOVEMENTS ARE RESTRICTED. 353 00:24:53,599 --> 00:24:57,876 AND I GUESS HE'S LEARNED TO LIVE WITH IT AT THE MOMENT. 354 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,075 AND WE SORT OF SPEAK EVERY DAY. 355 00:25:01,079 --> 00:25:05,115 AND.. HE DOESN'T HAVE ANGER, 356 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,355 HE'S JUST OPTIMISTIC, 357 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:12,916 AND LOOKING FORWARD TO BETTER DAYS, IF I MAY SAY. 358 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:18,075 AND MOSTLY CONCERNED ABOUT MY SISTER. 359 00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:20,880 SO, JA, I THINK HE'S... 360 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,476 HE'S TAKING IT LIKE A MAN. 361 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,636 SEKELENI AND MATSOARA WERE CHARGED WITH HELPING BESTER ESCAPE, 362 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,400 AND ARSON, BUT THEY WERE ALSO CHARGED WITH MURDER. 363 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,795 Matsoara was fired by G4S in September, 364 00:25:53,799 --> 00:25:58,079 but not before boasting about a brand-new car before Bester's escape. 365 00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:14,035 Here is Thabo Bester's ID. 366 00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:17,035 DR AARON MOTSOALEDI, THE HOME AFFAIRS MINISTER, 367 00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:19,880 GIVES THABO BESTER AN ID. 368 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,515 THABO BESTER HAS BEEN UNDOCUMENTED FOR OVER 30 YEARS, 369 00:26:30,519 --> 00:26:33,835 AND YET IT TOOK THE DEPARTMENT OF HOME AFFAIRS A MATTER OF DAYS 370 00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:37,676 TO ISSUE BOTH THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND AN IDENTITY DOCUMENT 371 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,916 THAT IS PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC. 372 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,876 SO IT'S ALMOST AS IF THEY USED THIS OPPORTUNITY AS A PR STUNT 373 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,835 TO SHOW THAT THEY'VE DONE SOMETHING GOOD AND POSITIVE 374 00:26:46,839 --> 00:26:48,636 WHEN THERE ARE OTHER MILLIONS OF PEOPLE 375 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,396 STILL WAITING FOR ASSISTANCE FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HOME AFFAIRS, 376 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,079 INCLUDING CHILDREN SO... 377 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,359 THAT JUST MADE ME ANGRY. 378 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,676 THIS CASE HAS BEEN IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF DEMONSTRATING 379 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:08,075 HOW INTRINSICALLY URGENT ISSUES OF DOCUMENTATION ARE. 380 00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:11,035 EVEN WHEN PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO ACCESS DOCUMENTS, 381 00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:15,480 IT IS THE DEPARTMENT STANDING IN THE WAY OF THEM GETTING THOSE DOCUMENTS. 382 00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:19,075 IT'S THE SAD REALITY IN SOUTH AFRICA 383 00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:23,156 THAT THE BUREAUCRATIC FAILURES AND BARRIERS 384 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,716 THAT STATE DEPARTMENTS PRESENT TO PEOPLE 385 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,835 WHO ARE LEGITIMATELY TRYING TO ACCESS SERVICES 386 00:27:28,839 --> 00:27:32,196 DOES FORCE THEM TO THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE, 387 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,039 WHICH IS THE PATH OF CORRUPTION AND ILLEGALITY. 388 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,315 People go mad for this one. 389 00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:44,555 Look, everyone was like, "Oh Thabo Bester." 390 00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:56,755 AND HAVE YOU GUYS HAD A MOMENT 391 00:27:56,759 --> 00:28:00,156 TO CRACK A BOTTLE OF CHAMPAGNE TOGETHER OR A HIGH FIVE OR... 392 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,595 YES, WE DID, YESTERDAY IN THE OFFICE. 393 00:28:01,599 --> 00:28:04,200 - YES. - AND MARECIA HAD A FEW COCKTAILS. 394 00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:08,920 IT'S FAKE NEWS. FAKE NEWS. 395 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,595 AND SO DO YOU GUYS, DO YOU STILL LIKE EACH OTHER 396 00:28:17,599 --> 00:28:19,716 AFTER THIS YEAR OF WORK TOGETHER? 397 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,275 WHAT DO YOU MEAN, "STILL"? 398 00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:24,075 - DID WE EVER? - JA. 399 00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:25,839 THAT'S THE QUESTION. 400 00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:28,515 IT'S BEEN A LOT, 401 00:28:28,519 --> 00:28:33,515 BUT I AM THANKFUL THAT THE BOOK IS FINALLY COMPLETED. 402 00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:35,355 AND IT'S OUT THERE, AND IT'S IN STORES. 403 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:41,115 IT STILL FEELS A BIT SURREAL WHEN PEOPLE SEND ME PHOTOS OF BOOK STORES, 404 00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:43,795 AND THEN I SEE THE THABO BESTER BOOK. 405 00:28:43,799 --> 00:28:45,716 DID YOU GUYS THINK THAT YOU WOULD GET A BOOK DEAL 406 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,680 - BEFORE YOU TURNED 30? - NO. 407 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:53,115 ABSOLUTELY NOT. I HAD PLANNED TO WRITE A BOOK BY THE TIME I'M 70. 408 00:28:53,119 --> 00:28:55,876 SO THAT I CAN SORT OF 409 00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,835 DEPOSIT ALL OF MY WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE IN THAT BOOK. 410 00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:05,436 I DID NOT EXPECT TO BE WRITING ANYTHING UNDER 30 AT ALL. 411 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,835 MARECIA AND DANIEL, THEY DID A VERY THOROUGH JOB. 412 00:29:09,839 --> 00:29:14,599 THEY WENT AROUND CHECKING UP EVERY FACT BEFORE THE FIRST STORY APPEARED. 413 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,476 JA, I THINK GROUNDUP HAS DONE FANTASTIC WORK IN GENERAL 414 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,115 IN INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM. 415 00:29:24,119 --> 00:29:25,835 AND I THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR... 416 00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:28,956 IT'LL BE REMEMBERED FOR THIS PARTICULAR STORY. 417 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,035 I THINK THIS STORY SHOWS THE IMPORTANCE OF WHISTLEBLOWERS 418 00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:35,755 WORKING WITH MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA WHO THEY TRUST. 419 00:29:35,759 --> 00:29:39,636 TO EXPOSE CORRUPTION AND INCOMPETENCE 420 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,075 IN THE GOVERNMENT AND IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. 421 00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:44,236 THE DEMOCRACY THAT WE HAVE 422 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,436 IS ANCHORED AROUND PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. 423 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,476 BUT PARTICIPATORY DEMOCRACY MEANS THE MEDIA. 424 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,359 - Slate one, take one. - Cool. 425 00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:56,996 I THINK SOMETIMES PEOPLE PERCEIVE THE MEDIA 426 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,835 AS TRYING TO CATCH PEOPLE OUT. 427 00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:01,996 JA, WELL THE MEDIA WOULD NEVER CATCH YOU UP 428 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,795 IF YOU'RE ON TOP OF YOUR STORY, 429 00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:06,755 BECAUSE THE ISSUE'S ABOUT BEING STRAIGHT. 430 00:30:06,759 --> 00:30:11,440 AT THE END, THE MEDIA PLAYS A ROLE OF EXPOSING THESE THINGS. 431 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,676 THE MEDIA CAN PUT THESE THINGS OUT THERE, 432 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,720 BUT THEY CAN'T ACTUALLY PUT THE CROOKS IN JAIL. 433 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,075 Today we'll start with G4S 434 00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:27,795 who have been summoned to assist this process 435 00:30:27,799 --> 00:30:30,755 to get to the bottom of this saga. 436 00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:32,436 IT WAS A TWO-DAY SESSION 437 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,476 WHERE PARLIAMENTARIANS WERE LOOKING FOR ANSWERS. 438 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,676 FROM ALL THE STAKE HOLDERS INVOLVED. 439 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:43,156 THE POLICE, THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONAL SERVICES, 440 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,039 AS WELL AS JICS. 441 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,716 THEY HAS TO BE FORCED, ALMOST KICKING AND SCREAMING, 442 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,315 BEFORE THE CORPORATION'S LEADERSHIP CAME, UNDER OATH, 443 00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:56,876 TO SAY, "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED." 444 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,876 Allow me to thank you for sending us the summons 445 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:10,160 that we asked for and making is possible for us to attend today. 446 00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:13,236 Chair, we have the greatest respect 447 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,355 for this committee, and for its work. 448 00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:20,795 And, chair, we have participated fully from the outset 449 00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:22,599 with all investigative authorities. 450 00:31:24,759 --> 00:31:29,196 IN THEIR REPORT THEY SAID THABO BESTER HAS DIED. 451 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,839 IN BLACK AND WHITE. 452 00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:35,115 WE HAVE THE AUTOPSY REPORT AND THE CCTV FOOTAGE... 453 00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:38,115 THAT'S A LIE. NO, NO, NO, IT'S A BALD-FACED LIE. 454 00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:40,236 THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT YOU CAN CALL IT. 455 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:45,636 UNLESS YOU'VE HAD A, YOU KNOW, SERIOUS LOBOTOMY PROCEDURE 456 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:46,876 WHEN YOU WERE VERY YOUNG. 457 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,480 AND THEN I HAD TO ASK THEM... 458 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,795 DO YOU NOW BELIEVE THAT HE'S BEEN ARRESTED IN TANZANIA? 459 00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:56,035 THEN THEY WOULD SAY, "YES, WE NOW BELIEVE." 460 00:31:56,039 --> 00:32:00,035 SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE THIS CHAP WAS RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD. 461 00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:03,476 Mr Beyleveld, where's Thabo Bester? 462 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,079 According to the information that we have, he's now arrested. 463 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,396 Why did G4S cling to the version 464 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,555 that it was Thabo Bester's body in that cell? 465 00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:17,075 Even after it was very clear 466 00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:20,396 to everybody else in South Africa that it wasn't. 467 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,716 Just answer me that question. 468 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,996 Because we were not the primary investigating authority, 469 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,236 and we did not have access to the prime evidence, honourable member. 470 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,355 And that's your answer? 471 00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:32,555 - Yes. - Wow. 472 00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:35,916 IT JUST DEMONSTRATED A LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY. 473 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,636 AND THAT WOULD THEN MEANT YOU NEED TO DIG MUCH DEEPER 474 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,716 ABOUT HOW THEY DO THINGS IN THAT PRISON. 475 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,355 Go to the cell, go to the cell. 476 00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:46,680 Going towards cell 35. 477 00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:51,795 We received an application from inmate Bester, 478 00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:56,636 where he was applying to be kept in a single cell for his own safety. 479 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,156 And inmate Bester was placed in cell 35. 480 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:05,240 JA, I'M TOO OLD TO BELIEVE IN A CONFLUENCE OF COINCIDENCES. 481 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,515 BESTER WAS IN A CELL AT THE FURTHEST END OF THE PASSAGE FROM THE CAMERA. 482 00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:13,236 YOU KNOW, AND SOMEBODY HAD TO BE MOVED OUT OF THAT CELL 483 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,515 TO ACCOMMODATE HIM IN THAT CELL, WHILE THERE WERE OTHER EMPTY CELLS. 484 00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:21,396 And not to put too fine a point on it, and no pun intended, 485 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,079 it's right next to the fire escape. 486 00:33:25,079 --> 00:33:26,996 What I'm not ruling out 487 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,876 is that certain members, together with Mr Bester, 488 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,196 carefully planned this event. 489 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,876 The best you can say is you don't rule out the possibility 490 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:41,079 that this was a well-planned, monumentally logistical operation. 491 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:47,039 I mean, I have a German Shepard puppy that can come to that conclusion. 492 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,755 The G4S f♪♪♪in' directors, and bosses, and whoever they were, 493 00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:53,315 they didn't know what the f♪♪♪ hit them. 494 00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:55,795 You don't think that it's part of your responsibility 495 00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:58,636 to determine how a murderer and a serial rapist 496 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,355 walked out of your prison? 497 00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:03,960 That's somebody else's responsibility? Get real. 498 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,356 G4S HAD EVERY REASON TO STONEWALL, 499 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:18,155 TO CLOSE IT'S EARS, TO CLOSE IT'S EYES, TO CLOSE IT'S MOUTH, AND WHY? 500 00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:22,675 BECAUSE THAT ESCAPE, THAT SCANDALOUS EVENT, COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED 501 00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:27,595 WITHOUT WIDESPREAD, PERVASIVE, OPERATIONAL-LEVEL, 502 00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:33,195 AND MANAGERIAL-LEVEL COMPLICITY BY G4S OFFICERS. 503 00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:38,075 It's impossible to believe that this whole operation could've taken place 504 00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:40,756 without the greasing of many palms. 505 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,836 How many G4S employees were on duty at that facility that night? 506 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,320 THERE WE'RE MORE THAN 20 G4S OFFICERS ON DUTY THAT NIGHT. 507 00:34:55,199 --> 00:35:00,715 NOW I THINK THE LIKELY INFERENCE IS THAT ALL OF THEM 508 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,916 WERE EITHER PAID OFF OR WARNED OFF OR TOLD, "LOOK AWAY." 509 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,996 It was 23, honourable member, that was on duty. 510 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,559 23 people had to look the other way? 511 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,075 Braai'ing, roasting over the coals. 512 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,476 So let's assume you agree with me now that Bester got out, 513 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:24,956 how did he get out? 514 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,996 Currently to say how he got out, 515 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,715 I don't think that's my purpose now. 516 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,555 The SAP are conducting the criminal investigation 517 00:35:32,559 --> 00:35:36,836 and we do a due diligent investigation into the operations. 518 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,675 You honestly.. That's the answer to the question? 519 00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:40,280 It's not your responsibility? 520 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,635 THEY SAID THEY HAD INVESTIGATED 521 00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:48,836 AND FOUND THAT THREE OF THE PRISON WARDENS ON DUTY THAT NIGHT 522 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,595 DID NOT FOLLOW PROPER PROCEDURES. 523 00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:54,916 AND THEY WERE SUSPENDED AND THEN LATER DISMISSED. 524 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,316 Are you honestly sitting here this morning telling us 525 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:02,039 that this escape, of Hollywood proportions... 526 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,436 was done with the assistance of three people? 527 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,039 Is that what you're suggesting? 528 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:11,876 I'm not suggesting that, honourable member, 529 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,356 I'm saying that those are the individuals 530 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,440 who did not follow policy and procedure. 531 00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:20,199 We suspended them and we dismissed them. 532 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,436 That's just simply not possible. 533 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,639 It had to have been so many more. 534 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,675 You had quite a field day, did you learn anything new? 535 00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:34,639 The recording portion of the surveillance system... 536 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,796 was malfunctioning just over that period of the actual escape. 537 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,956 So on the 2nd of May, 2022, 538 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,356 from 21:38 until the 3rd of May, 539 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,675 the following day, just after 04:00, 540 00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:50,115 the security cameras by the solitary confinement cell 541 00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:52,920 that Thabo Bester was held in were completely turned off. 542 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,396 And they resumed operating and 04:10. 543 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,599 04:10! Bo! And the camera resumed operating. Ye? 544 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,876 Just that little slot and it didn't work? 545 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,400 You'll agree with me that that's not a coincidence. 546 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,796 Yes, that coincidence is strange. 547 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,760 It must stretch even your imagination. 548 00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:19,320 - It does. - Yes, quite. 549 00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:26,916 We keep footage for only seven days, video footage for only seven days, 550 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,715 so it's not possible for us to go back... 551 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:29,756 - Mm. - To the date that 552 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,916 - you mentioned. - But I assume, 553 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,476 and when something happens like a fire in a cell, 554 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,559 you keep that video footage. 555 00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:39,035 - Correct. - Unfortunately, 556 00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:41,836 in this case, there was none. Coincidently. 557 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:46,195 ONE OF THE PEOPLE ON DUTY AT THE PRISON WAS A CCTV TECHNICIAN 558 00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:51,075 TEBOHO LIPHOLO, WHO WORKED FOR A COMPANY CALLED INTEGRITRON, 559 00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:54,276 WHICH MAINTAINED THE CCTV SYSTEM AT THE PRISON. 560 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,916 THEIR INVESTIGATION REPORT DID NOT FIND ANYTHING 561 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:02,075 AGAINST TEBOHO LIPHOLO WHO LATER ADMITTED TO SWITCHING OFF 562 00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:03,920 THE CCTV CAMERAS IN THE PRISON. 563 00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:13,595 HE WAS ALLEGEDLY PROMISED R2.5 MILLION BY BESTER, 564 00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:16,836 BUT ONLY RECEIVED R40,000 IN PAYMENT. 565 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,836 And just days prior to this incident, 566 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:25,075 a vehicle made an unauthorised entry into the prison facility, correct? 567 00:38:25,079 --> 00:38:27,159 - That's correct. - How come? Why? 568 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,035 That's currently being investigated. 569 00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:32,555 So how far have you got with your investigation? Tell us. 570 00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:34,159 That's what you're here to do. 571 00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:41,396 ...to be coming into the prison facility 572 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,876 arrived with a wooden TV stand. 573 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,515 THEY USED IT TO SMUGGLE THE BODY IN, 574 00:38:47,519 --> 00:38:48,635 THEY PUT IT IN THE WORKSHOP. 575 00:38:48,639 --> 00:38:50,555 THE EXCUSE WAS IT HAD TO BE WORKED ON, 576 00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:52,476 THAT'S WHY IT HAD TO COME IN. 577 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,760 Could a corpse have fitted into that TV stand? 578 00:38:57,679 --> 00:38:59,400 - I think so, yeah. - Okay. 579 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,119 You are probably wondering how did Katlego end up in cell 35. 580 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,396 WHAT IS NOT THE TRUTH ABOUT MY SON. 581 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,276 IT WAS WHEN THEY WERE SAYING MY SON COLLAPSED IN CENTRAL PARK. 582 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,916 THE AMBULANCE CAME TO TOOK HIM, TOOK HIM TO HOSPITAL, 583 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:26,316 AND THEN HE WAS RECEIVED AS AN UNIDENTIFIED PERSON. 584 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,235 THAT'S WHERE IT MADE ME ANGRY. 585 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,476 MY SON IS KNOWN, HERE IN BLOEMFONTEIN, 586 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,155 ESPECIALLY SOCCER-LOVING PEOPLE. 587 00:39:36,159 --> 00:39:39,396 KATLEGO WAS A NICE GUY. I KNEW HIM. 588 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,195 UNTIL AT THAT AGE OF 30-SOMETHING, YES. 589 00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:45,559 HE WAS ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT CELTICS THIS, CELTICS THAT. 590 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,916 HE WAS NEVER INVOLVED IN A FIGHT, 591 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,635 OR HEARING KATLEGO HAS BEEN ARRESTED, NO. 592 00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:55,075 THAT IS, I'M GETTING EMOTIONAL WHEN TALKING ABOUT THIS THING. 593 00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:57,800 JUST IMAGINE IF IT WAS YOUR SON, YOUR BROTHER. 594 00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:02,476 THE FAMILY'S GRIEF IS ON PUBLIC DISPLAY 595 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:07,316 AS DETAILS ABOUT THE ELABORATE ESCAPE CONTINUE MAKING HEADLINES. 596 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,916 Katlego's family searched for an entire year for him, 597 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,675 and still, even after the confirmation of his death, 598 00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:17,079 they're left with so many questions. 599 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,195 AT THE TIME OF THE INITIAL ARREST, 600 00:40:31,199 --> 00:40:34,876 THERE WAS ONLY EARLY INDICATIONS OF A MURDER, 601 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,515 BUT THEN AS THE POLICE INVESTIGATION CONTINUED, 602 00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:42,119 THESE CHARGES WERE LATER WITHDRAWN DUE TO A LACK OF EVIDENCE. 603 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,155 AT THE CENTRE OF EVERYTHING THAT HAS HAPPENED HERE 604 00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:56,035 ARE THE ALLEGED VICTIMS 605 00:40:56,039 --> 00:41:00,756 AND PEOPLE LIKE KATLEGO BERENG'S MOTHER AND FATHER 606 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,876 THAT ARE STILL LOOKING FOR ANSWERS. 607 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,476 It's fishy. It's fishy. 608 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,320 THEY THINK THERE'S MORE... 609 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,440 THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE UNVEILED REGARDING HIS DEATH. 610 00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:21,876 When all of this happened, 611 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:26,559 who was the Manguang Correctional Centre director? Was it you? 612 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,675 Yes, honorary member, it was still me. 613 00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:34,476 Everything happened under you? 614 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,836 - That's correct. - You are still the director there? 615 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,715 - Have you been dismissed? - No. 616 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,476 - Why? - No, I did not commit any misconduct. 617 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,235 When everything else happened under you? 618 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:48,876 - Yes. - Wow. 619 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,519 THIS IS NOT AN ESCAPE. 620 00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:58,956 THIS IS A PROPERLY PLANNED, WELL-EXECUTED WALK OUT OF PRISON. 621 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,195 Department of Correctional Services 622 00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:06,996 has served the private company managing the prison 623 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,396 with a notice that it will be terminating its contract. 624 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,996 This contract does not deserve any further day to continue. 625 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,836 - I would disagree with that. - Why? 626 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:23,436 Our track record over 22 years is a good track record given... 627 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:29,595 if compared to other private and public facilities. 628 00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:31,756 This issue, before you respond, 629 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,115 it's a serious reputational risk, 630 00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:38,756 not to DCS, to the country South Africa. 631 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,436 Here we go! Here the f♪♪♪ we go! 632 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,436 Here the f♪♪♪ we go! 633 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,316 Magudumana has been fighting for her freedom. 634 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,876 She claims she was abducted by state officials 635 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,595 and has attempted to have her arrest and deportation set aside. 636 00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:15,476 She has the f♪♪♪ing audacity to say that her being extracted 637 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:20,515 from a country that she entered with illegal, forged documents 638 00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:22,235 was unlawful. 639 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:23,595 Like, b♪♪♪♪, get the f♪♪♪ out of here. 640 00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:28,356 A POSSIBLE REASON FOR NANDIPHA ABANDONING HER BAIL IS BECAUSE 641 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,715 IF SHE WERE TO TAKE BAIL, THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN SEEN 642 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:36,595 AS HER AGREEING WITH THE CHARGES BROUGHT OUT AGAINST HER. 643 00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:37,956 Stealing bodies, 644 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,796 freeing a man from prison who was a rapist and a murderer, 645 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,635 dumping the bodies that you took from morgues in a river. 646 00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:47,440 Sit your ass down and go to jail forever. 647 00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:54,796 FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE THEIR DEPORTATION, 648 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,396 BESTER AND DR NANDIPHA WERE REUNITED IN THE DOCK. 649 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,996 Ladies and gentleman, here's our Bonnie and Clyde. 650 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,956 Here's our Bonnie and Clyde. 651 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,035 CAMERAS ARE FLASHING, THERE'S A HUSHED SILENCE. 652 00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:13,276 AND FOR THE FIRST TIME WE SAW THEM TOGETHER IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE WORLD. 653 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,396 Some of us, we've never had our partners look at us 654 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,155 the way Nandipha looked at Thabo. Be honest. 655 00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:21,956 This is giving, "I will live, breathe, die for you." 656 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,476 I mean, they already did the other crazy stuff 657 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,436 like steal dead bodies and break out of jail, but still! 658 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,195 THEY ROSE TO THE OCCASION. 659 00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:33,956 THE STOLEN KISSES, THAT LOOK INTO EACH OTHER'S EYES, 660 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,796 THE HOLDING OF HANDS. 661 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:40,756 IT WAS AS IF WE WERE WATCHING AN EPISODE OF OUR FAVOURITE SOAP OPERA. 662 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,836 No criminal should be this happy and smitten in the court of law 663 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,519 while they face so many criminal charges. Uh-uh! 664 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,235 EVERYONE WANTED TO SEE 665 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,356 HOW THEY WERE GOING TO BEHAVE TOWARDS EACH OTHER, 666 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,996 AND I GUESS EVERYONE GOT MORE THAN WHAT THEY BARGAINED FOR, 667 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,480 BECAUSE WHATEVER YOU INTERPRET FROM WHAT YOU SAW... 668 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,996 IT CERTAINLY DID RAISE SOME EYEBROWS. 669 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,796 I've, personally, never seen a love like this. 670 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,956 Ooh, Nandi! Yoh! 671 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:16,235 How do we get that Bester level of love from the lady? 672 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:17,840 Yoh, bruh. 673 00:45:20,559 --> 00:45:22,235 When we look at body language, 674 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,396 we look for fake smiles and real smiles. 675 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,595 There wasn't a real smile on her face, it was fake. 676 00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:28,356 She's quite nervous. 677 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,316 Her arm came around her stomach, 678 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,360 now women do this to protect this bodies. 679 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:40,235 SHE WAS VERY WELL KEPT. RED LIPSTICK, HER HAIR WAS ALWAYS DONE. 680 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,316 EVERYONE WAS FROWNING UPON THAT BECAUSE MANY WERE ASKING, 681 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,155 "WHO'S DOING HER HAIR? WHY DO HER NAILS LOOK SO GOOD? 682 00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:50,035 AH MY NAILS DON'T LOOK SO GOOD AND YET I'VE GOT MY FREEDOM OUTSIDE." 683 00:45:50,039 --> 00:45:51,956 THOSE WERE THE SENTIMENTS THAT WERE BEING SHARED. 684 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,956 She looks very good for someone who is behind bars. 685 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,756 A LOT OF THE MEDIA WERE REPORTING ON 686 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,996 WHAT BESTER WAS WEARING DURING HIS COURT APPEARANCES, 687 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,996 AND WHAT NANDIPHA'S HAIR LOOKED LIKE, AND WHAT HER MAKEUP LOOKED LIKE. 688 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,916 AND ALTHOUGH THERE IS NOTHING INHERENTLY WRONG 689 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,715 WITH INCLUDING THOSE ELEMENTS IN YOUR REPORT, 690 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,956 THAT SHOULDN'T BE THE FOCUS. 691 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,836 INSTEAD, THE FOCUS SHOULD BE ON 692 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,035 THE CRIMES THAT THEY WERE BEING ACCUSED OF. 693 00:46:24,039 --> 00:46:27,796 WELL PEOPLE ACCUSED US OF SENSATIONALISING THE STORY, 694 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,876 WHICH, I THINK, WAS ABSOLUTE RUBBISH, 695 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:38,155 BECAUSE EVERYONE WAS ASKING, "WHERE WAS THIS LIFESTYLE COMING FROM?" 696 00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:40,195 THE ALLEGATIONS THAT WERE BEING MADE, 697 00:46:40,199 --> 00:46:45,235 AND THE EXTRAVAGANCE WHICH WAS ON PUBLIC DISPLAY FOR EVERYONE TO SEE, 698 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,235 TOLD A STORY ON ITS OWN. 699 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,115 Thabo Bester is demanding the return of valuables 700 00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:11,675 estimated to be worth R29 million. 701 00:47:11,679 --> 00:47:14,476 WHEN HE APPEARED IN COURT AFTER HIS RE-ARREST, 702 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,515 HE GAVE THE MAGISTRATE A LIST OF ASSETS 703 00:47:18,519 --> 00:47:22,519 THAT HE SAID WAS TAKEN FROM HIM IN TANZANIA BY POLICE. 704 00:47:23,519 --> 00:47:27,639 A Rolex O, R2.6 million, Two of those. 705 00:47:32,039 --> 00:47:37,396 MILLIONS OF RANDS WORTH OF CASH, WATCHES, DESIGNER CLOTHES, 706 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,476 PHONES AND LAPTOPS, 707 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,675 WHICH, FIRSTLY, HE WOULD BE BREAKING SEVERAL INTERNATIONAL LAWS 708 00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:47,075 BY CARRYING THOSE ASSETS OVER BORDERS ILLEGALLY. 709 00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:51,075 SO HE'S INCRIMINATING HIMSELF, NOT THAT HE SEEMS TO CARE. 710 00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:53,639 AND, SECONDLY, IT JUST SEEMS COMPLETELY UNBELIEVABLE. 711 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,396 WHAT IS STILL UNEXPLAINED 712 00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,436 IS THE SOURCE OF HIS "APPARENT" WEALTH. 713 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,635 THEY WERE READY TO FLASH IT, QUITE PREPARED TO DISPLAY IT, 714 00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:08,195 BUT NO ONE HAS QUITE CONNECTED ALL THE DOTS 715 00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:11,639 ABOUT HOW ALL OF THIS WAS BEING FUNDED. 716 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,356 THE STORY ABOUT THE BILLIONS IN THE BANK 717 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,519 COMES FROM AN ARTICLE THAT WAS PUBLISHED... 718 00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:23,836 QUOTING A LAWYER WHO WAS APPROACHED BY BESTER, 719 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:28,476 IN WHICH BESTER CLAIMED TO BE TOM MOTSEPE, 720 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,956 THE BROTHER OF THABO BESTER, 721 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,316 AND SAID THAT HE HAD BILLIONS IN ASSETS 722 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,715 THAT HAD BEEN TAKEN AWAY BY THE ASSET FORFEITURE UNIT, 723 00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,876 AND THAT HE WANTED THIS LAWYER'S HELP 724 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:43,436 IN GETTING THIS MONEY AND THE ASSETS BACK FROM THE ASSET FORFEITURE UNIT 725 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,476 AND GIVING IT TO NANDIPHA MAGUDUMANA. 726 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:47,996 AND THEN THE LAWYER, OF COURSE, SAID, 727 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,316 "WELL ALL THESE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED ARE FAKE, 728 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:51,916 SO I'M NOT GONNA TAKE YOUR CASE." 729 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,476 WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE PICTURE 730 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,199 OF THABO BESTER AND JACOB ZUMA? 731 00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:01,199 I'VE SEEN THAT PICTURE. 732 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:09,675 MAYBE JZ WAS SCAMMED BY THABO BESTER. MAYBE HE'S A VICTIM. WE DON'T KNOW. 733 00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:12,595 THE JACOB ZUMA FOUNDATION HAS VEHEMENTLY DENIED 734 00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:15,880 THAT ZUMA HAS EVER MET THABO BESTER. 735 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,715 BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, 736 00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,796 THABO BESTER HAS OBVIOUSLY WORMED HIS WAY 737 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,035 INTO SOUTH AFRICA'S RICH AND FAMOUS, 738 00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:29,876 AND HE COULD'VE GONE TO HAVE A CUP OF TEA WITH JACOB ZUMA 739 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,559 TO PITCH A BUSINESS INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY. 740 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,356 AND DOES IT MATTER IF THAT PHOTO IS REAL OR NOT? 741 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,635 IT DOESN'T MATTER. IT DOESN'T MATTER. 742 00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:41,956 I THINK ALL THAT MATTERS IS THAT IT'S OUT THERE. 743 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,436 IT'S WHAT IT REPRESENTS. 744 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:48,956 ONCE THAT IDEA SETS IN, IT'S ENOUGH TO BE PERSUASIVE TO PEOPLE. 745 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,715 JACOB ZUMA, HE WAS SOMEONE WHO WAS ABLE TO BUILD A BRAND 746 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,035 AND A CULT OF PERSONALITY AROUND HIM 747 00:49:55,039 --> 00:50:00,316 AS AN EVERYMAN JUST TRYING TO RISE ABOVE ADVERSITY, 748 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,996 AND JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT TO THE TOP, 749 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,635 AND IN THAT PRESENTATION SAYING 750 00:50:04,639 --> 00:50:09,035 THAT YOU TOO CAN ONE DAY BE IN THAT POSITION OF POWER AND INFLUENCE. 751 00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:12,555 I THINK THABO BESTER WAS SOMEONE WHO CLOCKED THAT. 752 00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:16,916 THERE'S ALWAYS AN ELEMENT OF ROMANTICISING CRIMINALS, 753 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,555 ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY GET AWAY WITH DARING ACTS. 754 00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:23,396 SO THE MYTH-MAKING IS INEVITABLE, 755 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,400 BUT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THERE WERE VICTIMS HERE. 756 00:50:29,039 --> 00:50:31,276 Magudumana will apply for bail. 757 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,155 Back in May she temporarily withdrew her bail bid. 758 00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:38,155 WHEN SHE NOW DOES FINALLY DECIDE TO APPLY FOR BAIL, 759 00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:39,836 SHE GIVES THE IMPRESSION 760 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:44,476 THAT SHE LEFT THE COUNTRY IN THE FIRST INSTANCE AGAINST HER WILL, 761 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,960 EVEN THOUGH THERE'S FOOTAGE THAT SHOWS HER IN THE PASSENGER SEAT. 762 00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:51,956 The question, so what was she doing in Tanzania 763 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,356 if they arrested her unlawfully? 764 00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,075 Was she on holiday? Was she on honeymoon? 765 00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:57,155 Definitely they were fleeing from the law. 766 00:50:57,159 --> 00:51:00,635 THIS IS SOMEONE WHO SAYS THAT SHE WAS KIDNAPPED, 767 00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:06,756 BUT DID YOU SEE HOW THEY BEHAVED TOWARDS EACH OTHER 768 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,675 IN COURT? 769 00:51:08,679 --> 00:51:10,916 While she claims Bester kidnapped her, 770 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,356 the state alleges she's Bester's girlfriend 771 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:18,035 who lived with him for almost a year after facilitating his escape. 772 00:51:18,039 --> 00:51:20,199 AND THEN NANDIPHA MAGUDUMANA... 773 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,316 WITH SOME CHUTZPAH, RELEASED A STATEMENT, 774 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,515 ADDRESSING IT TO FRIENDS AND FAMILY. 775 00:51:28,519 --> 00:51:31,635 BUT REALLY, THE SENSE IS VERY CLEARLY HERE, 776 00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:35,760 SHE'S ADDRESSING THE COUNTRY BECAUSE OF OUR FASCINATION WITH THE STORY. 777 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:42,436 SHE SPEAKS ABOUT HER ILLEGAL INCARCERATION, 778 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,155 AND THE CONVERSATIONS, 779 00:51:44,159 --> 00:51:49,555 THE DEEP CONVERSATIONS SHE HAS WITH GOD EACH AND EVERY PASSING DAY. 780 00:51:49,559 --> 00:51:53,235 SHE THANKS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ROOTING FOR HER, SUPPORTING HER, 781 00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,956 AND EVEN PRAYING FOR HER. 782 00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,996 SO FROM THE ONSET, SHE WANTS TO GIVE THIS IMPRESSION 783 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,956 OF THIS RIGHTEOUS WOMAN, 784 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:06,075 SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN IMPRISONED FOR SOME GREATER PURPOSE, 785 00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:07,796 SOME GREATER CAUSE. 786 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,276 SHE SPEAKS TO HER CHILDREN DIRECTLY. 787 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,996 "MOMMY MISSES YOU. MOMMY LOVES YOU." 788 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,916 MOMMY IS FIGHTING WITH EVERYTHING SHE HAS TO BE WITH YOU AGAIN. 789 00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,876 "I WILL SEE YOU AGAIN SOON," SHE SAYS. 790 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,276 You know, she came in court, you know, singing, 791 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,756 and pretending to be praying, 792 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,956 and stuff like that. This woman is a thug, bruh. 793 00:52:35,559 --> 00:52:38,956 I find that the applicant is a definite flight risk, 794 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,155 and that no bail condition will assist under the circumstances 795 00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:43,800 to limit this risk. 796 00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:50,599 You think this is Hyde Park? Welcome to prison. 797 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,195 YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY TO SAY THIS, 798 00:52:55,199 --> 00:52:57,035 BUT I HAVE TO SAY IT. 799 00:52:57,039 --> 00:53:00,836 I'VE SAID SOMETIMES TO GO TO SCHOOL IS A WASTE OF MONEY. 800 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,555 DR NANDIPHA IS SO EDUCATED. 801 00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:07,595 HER CALIBRE DOESN'T MATCH WITH THIS ONE OF THABO BESTER. 802 00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:11,115 NOW I'M TALKING ABOUT AN EXPERIENCED DOCTOR. 803 00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:13,235 SHE'S HAVING HER MONEY. 804 00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,639 WHY SHE WAS TRICKED BY THABO BESTER? 805 00:53:20,599 --> 00:53:25,195 I THINK, TO HER, IT FEELS LIKE I'M A JUDAS OF SOME SORT. 806 00:53:25,199 --> 00:53:27,239 I'M A.. I BETRAYED HER. 807 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,595 AND THEY DO REALLY SAY LIKE, 808 00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:33,635 "DUDE, SHE REALLY, REALLY, REALLY HATES YOU." 809 00:53:33,639 --> 00:53:37,079 BUT I WANTED THAT MONSTER BEHIND BARS. 810 00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:44,916 I DECIDED THAT I WOULD GO TO COURT AND SUPPORT NANDIPHA. 811 00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,675 SHE'S MY SISTER, AND SHE'S ONE OF US, 812 00:53:48,679 --> 00:53:50,996 AND WE WERE RAISED TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER, 813 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,756 EVEN THOUGH THINGS MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST. 814 00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,155 DO YOU THINK SHE WAS SURPRISED 815 00:53:56,159 --> 00:53:58,360 TO SEE YOU SITTING THERE IN COURT? 816 00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,515 PROBABLY. I THINK SHE WAS SURPRISED, YES. 817 00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:07,239 SHE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT I WAS THERE. JA. 818 00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:09,796 HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO YOUR FAMILY 819 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,400 ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THIS DOCUMENTARY? 820 00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,276 I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO MY FAMILY ABOUT THIS DOCUMENTARY. 821 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,239 IT WILL BE A SHOCK TO THEM, AND... 822 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,115 THEY WILL TAKE IT HOW THEY TAKE IT. 823 00:54:24,119 --> 00:54:29,555 AND, I MEAN, AS I'VE BEEN SPEAKING ON THIS PLATFORM WITH NOTHING TO HIDE. 824 00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,276 THIS WHOLE STORY SEEMS TO ME 825 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:45,000 TO HAVE BEEN AN INTRICATE GAME OF CHESS. 826 00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:51,396 WE KNOW THE QUEEN CAN MAKE ALL SORTS OF MOVES, 827 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:56,436 AND WAS IT NOT DR MAGUDUMANA WHO WAS FETCHING BODIES, 828 00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,155 PLANNING ALL OF THIS? 829 00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:02,876 SO THERE THEY WERE, THE KING AND THE QUEEN, 830 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,396 WITH ALL OF THESE LITTLE PAWNS, 831 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:10,035 WHO WERE, ULTIMATELY, DISPENSABLE, EXPENDABLE 832 00:55:10,039 --> 00:55:12,840 IN THEIR LITTLE GAME OF CHESS. 833 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,555 The Thabo Bester escape saga is set to go on trial. 834 00:55:19,559 --> 00:55:23,480 Nine people, including Bester, are facing a raft of charges. 835 00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:28,396 OF THE ACCUSED WE HAVE THABO BESTER, 836 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,715 AND THEN, OF COURSE, THERE ARE ALL THESE OFFICIALS, 837 00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:36,159 SOME OF WHOM WORKED FOR G4S, ALL OF THEM WORKING IN THAT FACILITY. 838 00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,079 WE HAVE DR NANDIPHA... 839 00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:43,199 HER FATHER... 840 00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:46,199 THEN WE HAVE HER GARDNER. 841 00:55:48,119 --> 00:55:51,039 THE LIST OF CHARGES IS QUITE SERIOUS. 842 00:56:03,679 --> 00:56:06,115 BESTER PROBABLY HAS THE LEAST TO LOSE 843 00:56:06,119 --> 00:56:09,639 OF ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE DOCK, 'CAUSE HE'S ALREADY IN PRISON. 844 00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,515 MAGUDUMANA HAS SUFFERED GREAT REPUTATIONAL DAMAGE 845 00:56:13,519 --> 00:56:15,115 FROM THIS WHOLE AFFAIR. 846 00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:18,800 HELPING A PRISONER ESCAPE CAN LAND YOU IN JAIL FOR 15 YEARS. 847 00:56:20,159 --> 00:56:23,476 THE CORRUPTIONS CHARGES ARE BASED NOT ON THE AMOUNT THEY PAID, 848 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,235 BUT ON THE AMOUNT THEY PROMISED. 849 00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,195 SO IF SHE'S CONVICTED OF THE CRIMES, 850 00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:30,035 MAGUDUMANA FACES A LONG TIME IN PRISON. 851 00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,876 WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE COME OUT OF THE TRIAL? 852 00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:44,075 WELL I THINK JUST FOR THE ACTUAL TRUTH TO COME OUT, 853 00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:47,555 BECAUSE THERE ARE STILL SO MANY QUESTIONS. 854 00:56:47,559 --> 00:56:48,675 QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE, 855 00:56:48,679 --> 00:56:51,476 QUESTIONS THAT OUR COLLEAGUES IN THE MEDIA HAVE, 856 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,396 THAT THE BROADER PUBLIC STILL HAS, 857 00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,800 REGARDING HOW EXACTLY WAS THIS ABLE TO TAKE PLACE. 858 00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:05,916 I'D LIKE TO SEE A PROPER INVESTIGATION DONE 859 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,876 WITH A PROPER PROSECUTION, EVIDENCE-LED. 860 00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,756 I'D LIKE TO SEE GOOD CROSS-EXAMINATION 861 00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:17,876 TO ANNIHILATE BESTER AND NANDIPHA, BECAUSE THEY'RE TALKING CRAP. 862 00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:22,195 SO CERTAINLY THE ANSWERS ARE OWED TO THE SOUTH AFRICAN PUBLIC. 863 00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:25,035 IT'S NOT JUT A STORY THAT'S SENSATIONAL, 864 00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:28,595 IT'S, LIKE, ALSO IN MY BRAIN I'M GOING THROUGH, 865 00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:33,996 "WHAT IS..? WHAT ARE WE LIVING IN? WHAT HAS OUR COUNTRY COME TO? 866 00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,115 WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT?" 867 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,679 WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THABO BESTER NOW? 868 00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,555 I'll ALWAYS HATE THABO BESTER. I'll ALWAYS HATE HIM. 869 00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:55,075 I HATE WHAT HE'S DONE TO MANY FAMILIES, 870 00:57:55,079 --> 00:57:56,675 NOT JUST MY FAMILY. 871 00:57:56,679 --> 00:58:01,195 THE VICTIMS OF THE SHENANIGANS HE WAS INVOLVED IN. 872 00:58:01,199 --> 00:58:06,476 I'M NOT THE TYPE OF PERSON WHO GOES AROUND HATING PEOPLE, I LOVE PEOPLE, 873 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,796 BUT I DON'T THINK HE'S A PERSON. 874 00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:15,075 AND I HOPE.. NO MATTER WHATEVER HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE, 875 00:58:15,079 --> 00:58:19,476 HE'LL NEVER BE RELEASED FROM CUSTODY. 876 00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,316 HE'LL DIE IN JAIL. HE DESERVES TO DIE IN JAIL. MM. 877 00:58:38,239 --> 00:58:43,515 Thabo Bester, Dr Nandipha trial is gonna be, like, everywhere. 878 00:58:43,519 --> 00:58:48,960 It must have the same commentators who do Xhosa commentary for rugby. 73964

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