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Blair Howard:
What I remember very clearly
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is after John's acquittal,
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my secretary said,
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"I've gotten several phone calls
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from a lady with an accent."
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Lorena came in and she sat
across from me.
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She said, um,
"I don't know what to do.
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"We went to court.
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"Things did not turn out
as I expected,
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"and I think everybody thinks
that I'm a very bad person
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"and that I didn't
tell the truth
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and I did a horrible thing
to my husband."
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And she says, "I really don't
know which way to go from here."
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She was very emotional,
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and, you know, tears
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literally were coming down
as she talked,
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and that made quite
an impression on me.
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She was very young.
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I said,
"You appear to be genuine
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in telling me your story."
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I said, "But
the most important thing
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"from a lawyer's standpoint
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"is whether we would be able
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"to independently
corroborate and confirm
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"that he had abused her.
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"If there is evidence
that that was occurring
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"with some regularity,
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then your story
becomes more believable."
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♪♪ [country]
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Woman: After five months
of media madness
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and John Wayne Bobbitt's
not guilty verdict,
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he got as far away from the
scene of the event as he could.
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John Wayne went west.
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Gregg Murphy:
Once he was acquitted,
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everybody was looking
to get an interview with John.
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But Lorena's trial
was coming up,
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and I suggested that John
should stay out of the press
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until hers is over.
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So they found this ranch
outside of Colorado Springs
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that John could live on
where nobody would find him.
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[cows mooing]
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John Wayne Bobbitt:
Me and my brother Brett
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went out there
for a few months
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and it was nice.
It was great.
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We rode horses and we had--
they had little bulls,
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you know, walked around,
groomed,
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and prepared 'em for shows.
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One of 'em got away.
A thousand-pound bull,
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his name was High Roller.
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And he pulled away
and jumped up
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and karate kicked me right in--
where I got operated.
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[chuckles]
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I was down--down in a ditch.
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Elizabeth Vargas:
I gotta ask you, though,
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I mean, especially after
what's happened to you--
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riding horses,
riding bulls,
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I mean, is that painful?
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Well...Oh, wow.
[chuckles]
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Yeah, it is.
Um, sometimes.
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You know,
but I'm getting better.
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John: It felt great, yeah,
felt good.
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Felt good being
on the ranch.
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And I met a girl there,
Stephanie.
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She became my girlfriend,
and we had a lot of good sex.
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Felt good being with her.
She was a great girl.
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I kinda wished, you know,
I would've, you know,
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stayed with her, but, um,
I got sidetracked.
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Come in
and join the party!
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[girls cheering]
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Murphy: Someone called me
and said, "Look,
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John is talking about
leaving the ranch."
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So I called John
and he said, "Well,
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"there's a John Wayne Bobbitt
look-alike contest
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going on locally somewhere
in Colorado Springs,"
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at what was called Hooters.
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[girls cheering]
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And he said,
"I think I can win it."
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[laughs] I said,
"Well, I would hope so.
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But John, please don't go
off the ranch."
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He unfortunately
did not listen to me.
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So, Lorena,
now what was your--
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your beef with John?
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- He forced me to have sex.
- I did not force--
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- Hey, John, no crosstalk.
- But I--
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No crosstalk.
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Lorena:
Jokes was everywhere.
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Approaching Thanksgiving,
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the whole country
making jokes about me.
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Uh, number four
Lorena Bobbitt excuse was--
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[audience laughs]
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[laughs]
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Lorena: David Letterman
used to call me his girlfriend.
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And the jokes did bother me,
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because I didn't know
how to handle it.
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Man: It's so rare
in the United States
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a penis is severed like this,
but my understanding is
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that in Latin America,
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and that's where
Lorena Bobbitt is from,
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it's not all that rare.
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Lorena: People were talking
about my background,
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saying I was just
a hot-blooded Latina woman.
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Woman:
She is a jealous wife,
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an angry Ecuadoran immigrant
whose American dream
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of the good life
has been destroyed.
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Lorena: It hurts my heart.
It hurts my brain.
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It hurts my whole body.
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I was living at Janna's.
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I didn't want to do anything.
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I didn't want
to do Christmas.
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I didn't want
to do Thanksgiving.
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Robin Williams on TV:
Come here and listen to me,
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listen to me.
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Maybe the whole problem
was, you know, he was abusive.
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She gets on the phone
to the friend and says,
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"He abuses me."
Her friend says,
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"Well, throw the prick
out of the house!"
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[laughter]
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Lorena: You just have to
sit there and listen,
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and there's nothing
you can do about it.
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I was crumbling down.
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Reporter: The Bobbitts
are getting a divorce,
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and Lorena is scheduled
to go on trial
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in this same courthouse
in about three weeks
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on a charge of maliciously
wounding her husband.
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Lorena Bobbitt's case
is drawing worldwide attention.
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It's the trial
everyone is talking about.
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Reporter: The media circus
for her husband's trial
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is nothing compared
to the army of reporters
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and television satellite trucks
forming up.
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Robert Marsh: Initially,
Judge Whisenant said
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"We're not gonna make this
a circus, Bob."
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And, uh, so, uh,
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"I don't think
I'm gonna let cameras in."
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Well, Court TV--you know,
they're very smart--
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they brought in a very
attractive female attorney.
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Well, about a minute
after they were
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face to face, he said,
"Sure, come on in.
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I think we can do that."
I thought, "Holy cow."
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Murphy: For John's trial,
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we didn't allow them
to put this on TV,
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because it was
a sexual crime.
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Lorena's case they did not
consider to be a sex case,
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even though he had
his penis cut off.
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That made no sense
to me whatsoever.
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Lorena: They said that there
were gonna be cameras there.
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My friends were saying,
"Are you ready for it?"
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And I'm like,
"What kind of question is that?"
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You're never
gonna be ready for any,
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you know...of that.
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Hauge: The attorneys called me
up and they said,
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"The trial is being set
for December 23rd."
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And I said, "Nobody's gonna
watch this at Christmastime.
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"You gotta be kidding me.
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Move it into January."
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If you look
at Nielsen ratings,
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viewership goes way down
'cause people are out shopping
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and they're with
their families and all that.
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So we had to move Lorena's trial
into January.
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Announcer:
Live from fuckin' Newark,
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the carjacking capital
of the world,
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It's the "Miss Howard Stern
New Year's Rotten Eve Pageant!"
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[cheers and applause]
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Robin Quivers: Howard,
it's time to meet the judges!
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John Wayne Bobbitt!
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Howard: The great
John Wayne Bobbitt!
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[cheers and applause]
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John Wayne Bobbitt, of course,
had a terrible situation.
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John, seriously, what
happened to you is horrible,
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and that's why we're raising
money for you tonight.
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Murphy: Howard Stern
had his annual
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Miss New Year's Eve Pageant,
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if you will.
Well, he decided to make it
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a telethon, raise money
for John Wayne Bobbitt.
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With the money calling in,
they had this penis meter,
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[laughing] that would go up
every time--
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I mean, the whole show
was just a farce.
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I mean, it was unbelievable.
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Let's see how you did there,
John Wayne Bobbitt.
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Take a look and tell me how much
money you raised tonight.
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Well, we got, uh...
[clears throat]
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$190,900 raised.
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That is beautiful!
$190,000!
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Let's raise that penis, John.
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It has been a pleasure raising
money for you and your penis.
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Congratulations.
John Wayne Bobbitt.
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♪♪♪
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Woman:
Months after the surgery,
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John Bobbitt met
the volunteer firefighters
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who found his severed organ.
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Then once we found it,
we packed it in ice
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and brought it to you as
fast as we could,
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'cause we knew
that it was important.
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Oh, I'm really glad
I met you guys.
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Traffic was going
the other way,
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so it was a little bit
easier getting there.
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John: Yeah, I owe
you guys a lot, you know.
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Take you guys
out for dinner or something.
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Katie Couric: Bobbitt now
seems to be on a campaign
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to improve his image,
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even capitalize
on his misfortune.
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I have some T-shirts
that I got here
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from 25 years ago.
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I guess, um, I went on tour
before Lorena's court case,
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so I was having a lot of fun,
doing Howard Stern,
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and I went on tour.
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Got these
"Severed Part" shirts.
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And uh, sold a lot of them.
Signed a lot of autographs.
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And on the back
it says, "Love hurts."
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You know,
it does hurt sometimes.
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I was traveling,
doing shows,
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radio, television.
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You know, it's great,
you know,
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being in the spotlight
and, you know,
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people wanting your autographs,
meeting with you,
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hanging out with you
and going to clubs.
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"Yeah, John Wayne Bobbitt
in the house," you know,
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and I'd go to concerts and
people are screaming my name
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and all that, and--
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[cheers and applause]
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It's great.
A lot of support.
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People sympathize...
[chuckles] I guess.
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You know, can relate
to obsessive relationships.
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You know, am I wrong here,
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or was your wife
a crazy bitch?
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[laughter]
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[cheers and applause]
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♪♪♪
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Male Reporter:
The most controversial case
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to hit this town
will once again
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be on center stage.
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♪♪♪
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Female Reporter:
Let's start out first
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with the prosecutor
on this case, Mr. Ebert,
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being the one
who was the prosecutor
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in case number one,
the marital sexual assault,
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and now on this charge,
malicious wounding.
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That's very odd.
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[indistinct chatter]
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Have I?
No, I won't.
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I don't intend to,
unless somebody
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can convince me
that I should.
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Can you be vigorous
in prosecuting two people
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- in the same instance?
- Sure.
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It's not necessarily
John versus Lorena.
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It's the state
versus these people.
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In a barroom fight,
it's not unusual
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for both parties
involved in a fray
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to be prosecuted
successfully.
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♪♪♪
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Male Reporter:
Mrs. Bobbitt's likely defense
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will be temporary insanity.
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Female Reporter: The defense
says the rape,
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after years of abuse,
put her over the edge.
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With this case, we're entering
a plea of not guilty.
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We were putting forth
a defense
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of a form of insanity
in Virginia--
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irresistible impulse.
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That defense was
anchored on the proposition
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that she had undergone
a great deal of trauma,
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and that night
was the trigger.
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Female Reporter: This time,
she is the defendant,
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and John is the victim.
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If found guilty of maliciously
wounding her husband,
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she faces a 20-year sentence.
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Hauge: About three to five days
before the trial,
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the prosecutor said,
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"We have
a plea bargain for you."
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Hauge: He said,
"Rather than going through
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"a whole messy trial
and you being found guilty,
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"you'll do four months in jail,
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for admitting that this
was premeditated."
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Lorena got on the phone,
and she was crying,
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and she said,
"If I submit to a felony,
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I can never become
an American citizen."
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She said, "I'm going to risk
20 years in a prison,
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because I want to be
an American."
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Lorena: I said,
"No, I'm not a failure.
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If I go back,
there's no way."
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That's not what I wanted.
That's not what I wanted.
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I want to be here.
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♪♪♪
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[jet engine roaring]
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♪♪♪
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Lorena: I came to America
the first time
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when I was 16 years old.
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It was springtime.
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When we were landing
into Washington, D.C.,
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it was just beautiful.
It was a dream come true.
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I remember seeing
cherry blossoms,
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flowers everywhere.
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It was wonderful.
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I felt like, "Oh, my God,
I wanted be here.
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This is what I want it to be."
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I wanted to come and move here
to this--this country.
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♪♪♪
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I was born in Ecuador.
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By the time that I was
about 7 years old,
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my parents decided
to move to Venezuela.
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My parents work hard.
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We were poor,
but we were happy.
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In South America, we have
something called a quinceñera,
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but because my parents
didn't have the means
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to actually have
a big party and,
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I said, "You know what?
I just want to travel
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to the United States."
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So I did it
as a sweet sixteen,
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and I love it.
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So I graduate from high school
in Venezuela,
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and I moved here
when I was only 18 years old.
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♪♪♪
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We have family here
in Virginia.
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I had a student visa here,
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so I was legal
to stay here in this country.
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I didn't speak any--
an ounce of English,
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so I took English
as a Second Language, ESL.
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♪♪♪
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And I was just
turning the TV to learn.
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I was watching
during the daytime,
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so soap operas
were everywhere.
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♪♪♪
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"Days of Our Lives" was on.
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- I love you, I love you...
- [exclaims happily]
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- ...I love you, I love you!
- Lorena: "All My Children."
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Sometimes
it was game shows--
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"The Price is... On."
[chuckles]
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00:17:30,842 --> 00:17:32,802
Something--
oh, what was it?
341
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"The Price is Right."
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That was the fun one.
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00:17:36,389 --> 00:17:39,476
[audience yells indistinctly]
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Johnny Olson:
A new Corvette!
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00:17:40,894 --> 00:17:44,481
[audience screams and cheers]
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♪♪♪
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Lorena: The moment I set foot
in the United States,
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I felt that I had to make it.
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That was it.
There was no going back.
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Just because this guy here,
this abusive husband,
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was shattering
my American dream,
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I would not let--
I wouldn't let that happen.
353
00:18:10,298 --> 00:18:14,260
So I was just trying to fight,
fight, fight it.
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♪♪♪
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[indistinct chatter]
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♪♪♪
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Male Reporter:
The "cut heard round the world"
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comes to court at last.
359
00:18:40,495 --> 00:18:41,871
The sensational trial
is attracting
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quite a bit
of media attention.
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00:18:43,748 --> 00:18:45,083
Kristin Jeannette-Meyers:
There are about 15-20
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satellite trucks,
about 200 reporters.
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Female Reporter:
This time,
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Court TV
is bringing the proceedings
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into millions of homes.
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Lorena Bobbitt
goes on trial today
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on charges
of malicious wounding.
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She's facing a 20-year
sentence in prison,
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a maximum,
if she is convicted.
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00:19:02,267 --> 00:19:04,185
Get the original,
the only original
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John Wayne Bobbitt
signed T-shirt.
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00:19:06,521 --> 00:19:08,523
Female Reporter:
And the entrepreneurs are back,
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in greater numbers and with
a greater variety of inventory
374
00:19:11,442 --> 00:19:12,527
than ever before.
375
00:19:14,153 --> 00:19:15,280
Male Reporter:
The circus atmosphere
376
00:19:15,321 --> 00:19:16,990
surrounding the courthouse,
377
00:19:17,031 --> 00:19:18,324
testimony to the fact
that virtually everyone
378
00:19:18,366 --> 00:19:20,076
is familiar with this case.
379
00:19:20,118 --> 00:19:22,745
The atmosphere
around the courthouse
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00:19:22,787 --> 00:19:28,293
was, as you can imagine,
lots of spectators, vendors.
381
00:19:28,334 --> 00:19:30,628
We had the media.
Everybody and their brother
382
00:19:30,670 --> 00:19:33,590
wanted to come in
and see the trial.
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00:19:33,631 --> 00:19:37,260
David Kaplan:
This story was irresistible.
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00:19:37,302 --> 00:19:40,054
A "Newsweek" poll that we took
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00:19:40,096 --> 00:19:42,682
indicated
that 60% of the country
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00:19:42,724 --> 00:19:43,933
was paying attention.
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00:19:43,975 --> 00:19:45,602
That's all I, you know, want--
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00:19:45,643 --> 00:19:48,313
Carlos Sanchez:
The interest level was huge.
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00:19:48,354 --> 00:19:50,690
There was constant demand
from editors
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00:19:50,732 --> 00:19:54,485
to get each new detail
about both John and Lorena.
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00:19:54,527 --> 00:19:56,571
The coverage of the
Lorena Bobbitt trial continues--
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Prince William County Courthouse
in Manassas, Virginia--
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00:19:58,948 --> 00:20:01,409
Lisa Stark, ABC News,
Manassas, Virginia--
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00:20:01,451 --> 00:20:03,578
CNN Live, Manassas, Virginia.
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- [reporters clamoring]
- [camera shutters clicking]
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Man: What are you gonna
tell the jury?
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00:20:13,671 --> 00:20:16,966
Um, well, I'll tell
the jury the truth.
398
00:20:17,008 --> 00:20:18,968
Man: She says you raped her
and you beat her.
399
00:20:19,010 --> 00:20:21,804
Right. But that--
that wasn't true,
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00:20:21,846 --> 00:20:24,641
because that--that came out
during my trial,
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00:20:24,682 --> 00:20:27,060
that, you know,
she was just lying,
402
00:20:27,101 --> 00:20:29,062
and she was so inconsistent,
and she just--
403
00:20:29,103 --> 00:20:31,439
the jury didn't
believe her, and, uh,
404
00:20:31,481 --> 00:20:33,399
you know, that's why
I was acquitted.
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00:20:33,441 --> 00:20:36,444
♪♪♪
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00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:40,990
Female Reporter: This is a case
of one person's word
407
00:20:41,032 --> 00:20:42,200
against the other.
408
00:20:42,241 --> 00:20:43,952
The jury will have to decide
409
00:20:43,993 --> 00:20:47,747
whether Lorena Bobbitt's story
is believable.
410
00:20:50,833 --> 00:20:54,879
Howard: The defense team
who represented Lorena
411
00:20:54,921 --> 00:20:58,800
in her trial
consisted of myself,
412
00:20:58,841 --> 00:21:00,635
Jim Lowe, and Lisa Kemler.
413
00:21:00,677 --> 00:21:03,930
It was the three of us
that conducted the trial.
414
00:21:06,182 --> 00:21:09,560
Paul Ebert and
Mary Grace O'Brien,
415
00:21:09,602 --> 00:21:11,813
you know, we knew
that they were gonna be
416
00:21:11,854 --> 00:21:14,440
a formidable team
to go up against,
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00:21:14,482 --> 00:21:16,359
highly respected,
highly regarded,
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00:21:16,401 --> 00:21:21,864
and I knew that we were
gonna be in for a struggle.
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00:21:21,906 --> 00:21:25,034
Man: This is a live shot
of that courtroom,
420
00:21:25,076 --> 00:21:27,328
and obviously you see
the defendant,
421
00:21:27,370 --> 00:21:29,414
Lorena Bobbitt there,
waiting.
422
00:21:29,455 --> 00:21:32,041
Howard:
Trial where John was charged,
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00:21:32,083 --> 00:21:36,504
she told me that
the long history of abuse
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00:21:36,546 --> 00:21:38,381
never was an issue
in that case.
425
00:21:38,423 --> 00:21:41,300
She just was put on the stand
and told her story
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00:21:41,342 --> 00:21:43,094
about what happened that night,
427
00:21:43,136 --> 00:21:45,763
and that was--that was the--
the case.
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00:21:45,805 --> 00:21:51,144
I told her,
"This time it counts."
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00:21:53,855 --> 00:21:55,857
[indistinct chatter]
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00:22:03,239 --> 00:22:06,242
♪♪♪
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00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:12,457
Curt Gergely:
I had already seen how
432
00:22:12,498 --> 00:22:13,833
the publicity was building.
433
00:22:13,875 --> 00:22:15,752
I thought it was
gonna be a zoo.
434
00:22:15,793 --> 00:22:19,839
I didn't really want to be
part of a media spectacle,
435
00:22:19,881 --> 00:22:24,302
and, uh, I was lucky enough
to be the third one selected.
436
00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:27,513
Clay Cocalis: The judge said,
"I'm not gonna ask you
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00:22:27,555 --> 00:22:29,474
"whether you've heard about
this case or not.
438
00:22:29,515 --> 00:22:30,933
"I assume all of you have
439
00:22:30,975 --> 00:22:32,810
unless you've been
living under a rock."
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00:22:32,852 --> 00:22:34,854
All he really asked was,
441
00:22:34,896 --> 00:22:37,774
"Can you keep an open mind
442
00:22:37,815 --> 00:22:40,359
about the facts that are
gonna be presented?"
443
00:22:42,653 --> 00:22:45,031
Gergely: The jury
was selected within one day,
444
00:22:45,073 --> 00:22:46,949
and we actually
started the case
445
00:22:46,991 --> 00:22:50,119
at approximately 1:30 or 2:00
in the afternoon.
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00:22:50,161 --> 00:22:52,538
Paul Ebert:
Ladies and gentlemen,
447
00:22:52,580 --> 00:22:55,249
John Bobbitt,
the victim in this case,
448
00:22:55,291 --> 00:22:58,878
had his penis amputated.
449
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,839
You folks will have to judge
as to whether or not
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00:23:01,881 --> 00:23:04,133
what this woman did
to her husband
451
00:23:04,175 --> 00:23:06,677
was justifiable
or excusable.
452
00:23:10,056 --> 00:23:11,766
And you'll
have to base that
453
00:23:11,808 --> 00:23:14,227
on what you hear
in this courtroom.
454
00:23:14,268 --> 00:23:19,357
This is a case
about a young...
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00:23:19,398 --> 00:23:24,153
petite... delicate,
and naive woman
456
00:23:24,195 --> 00:23:28,282
who, for four years,
the evidence will show,
457
00:23:28,324 --> 00:23:31,410
suffered extreme brutality
which included things
458
00:23:31,452 --> 00:23:34,622
such as rape, beatings,
459
00:23:34,664 --> 00:23:36,874
and threats of more violence.
460
00:23:36,916 --> 00:23:39,961
After you've heard
all the evidence,
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00:23:40,002 --> 00:23:44,048
you will believe
that there is no justification
462
00:23:44,090 --> 00:23:48,094
for taking the law
into her own hands,
463
00:23:48,136 --> 00:23:51,556
and that she acted in anger
or out of revenge,
464
00:23:51,597 --> 00:23:53,474
and under your oath,
it is your duty
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00:23:53,516 --> 00:23:55,810
to find her guilty
and fix her punishment.
466
00:23:55,852 --> 00:23:59,480
Kemler: The evidence
will show that at the time
467
00:23:59,522 --> 00:24:03,901
when Lorena Bobbitt cut off
her husband's penis,
468
00:24:03,943 --> 00:24:06,863
she was a battered woman.
469
00:24:06,904 --> 00:24:11,909
It was his penis from which
she could not escape,
470
00:24:11,951 --> 00:24:13,703
which caused her
the most pain,
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00:24:13,744 --> 00:24:18,541
the most fear,
the most humiliation.
472
00:24:18,583 --> 00:24:20,626
I submit to you
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00:24:20,668 --> 00:24:22,962
that at the end of this case,
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00:24:23,004 --> 00:24:27,425
you will come
to one conclusion--
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00:24:27,466 --> 00:24:31,721
and that is that a life
is more valuable
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00:24:31,762 --> 00:24:34,015
than a penis.
477
00:24:34,056 --> 00:24:36,309
Thank you.
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00:24:39,896 --> 00:24:42,523
♪♪♪
479
00:24:42,565 --> 00:24:43,858
Jeannette-Meyers:
The prosecution says
480
00:24:43,900 --> 00:24:44,942
it's very simple--
481
00:24:44,984 --> 00:24:46,360
She did it, she admits it,
482
00:24:46,402 --> 00:24:48,279
and so she should pay
for her crime.
483
00:24:48,321 --> 00:24:50,198
Might appear that
the prosecution's witnesses
484
00:24:50,239 --> 00:24:53,034
this morning have been,
in a sense, rather routine.
485
00:24:53,075 --> 00:24:55,203
That is the need
to prove the injury,
486
00:24:55,244 --> 00:24:58,080
the medical steps
that were taken,
487
00:24:58,122 --> 00:25:00,208
the police procedures
that were followed through.
488
00:25:00,249 --> 00:25:03,628
The jurors were bombarded
by powerful images
489
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:05,379
of a mutilated John Bobbitt.
490
00:25:05,421 --> 00:25:07,089
Man:
The impact of the photograph
491
00:25:07,131 --> 00:25:08,925
is gonna be quite something
on that jury.
492
00:25:08,966 --> 00:25:12,428
Woman: Yes, it's going to be
a defense uphill battle
493
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:14,931
to be able to overcome
the horrendous nature
494
00:25:14,972 --> 00:25:16,390
of this injury.
495
00:25:31,989 --> 00:25:34,992
♪♪♪
496
00:25:42,833 --> 00:25:45,836
Ebert: When was it that you
went to work at Legends, sir?
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00:25:45,878 --> 00:25:48,589
That was, I think, uh,
498
00:25:48,631 --> 00:25:52,593
June 14th, 1993--'93.
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00:25:52,635 --> 00:25:54,428
Ebert: Did your wife's
attitude change toward you
500
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:56,055
- when that happened?
- John: Yes.
501
00:25:56,097 --> 00:25:58,933
I told her I'd be working
at this really nice bar.
502
00:25:58,975 --> 00:26:00,726
She didn't like that at all.
503
00:26:00,768 --> 00:26:03,145
She said that the girls
would be trying to pick me up,
504
00:26:03,187 --> 00:26:07,650
and, or vice versa, and
she said she'd be spying on me,
505
00:26:07,692 --> 00:26:09,318
you know,
checking me all the time,
506
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:12,571
make sure I'm not doing
anything wrong at work.
507
00:26:12,613 --> 00:26:13,823
Mary Grace O'Brien:
Let me direct your attention
508
00:26:13,864 --> 00:26:15,950
- to June the 10th of 1991.
- Yes.
509
00:26:15,992 --> 00:26:17,660
O'Brien: And ask if
you and your wife
510
00:26:17,702 --> 00:26:19,287
were present
when an incident occurred
511
00:26:19,328 --> 00:26:21,414
- at Kings Dominion?
- Yes.
512
00:26:21,455 --> 00:26:22,748
Sherry Biro:
We were standing in line
513
00:26:22,790 --> 00:26:24,125
waiting for
the bumper cars.
514
00:26:24,166 --> 00:26:26,502
All of a sudden,
Lorena just--
515
00:26:26,544 --> 00:26:29,005
she for some reason
got upset,
516
00:26:29,046 --> 00:26:31,382
and, um,
she scratched John,
517
00:26:31,424 --> 00:26:33,676
and she started, uh,
trying to, like,
518
00:26:33,718 --> 00:26:37,096
scratch his face,
and she was punching him.
519
00:26:37,138 --> 00:26:39,682
And John just--
he just stood there,
520
00:26:39,724 --> 00:26:42,977
'cause he really didn't
know what was going on.
521
00:26:43,019 --> 00:26:44,603
[man clears throat]
522
00:26:44,645 --> 00:26:46,355
O'Brien:
Did the defendant ever
523
00:26:46,397 --> 00:26:47,606
make any complaints to you
that John was abusing her?
524
00:26:47,648 --> 00:26:49,608
- No.
- Did you ever notice
525
00:26:49,650 --> 00:26:51,902
any bruises
or marks on her?
526
00:26:51,944 --> 00:26:54,447
No.
527
00:26:54,488 --> 00:26:57,283
We always discuss about
our lives at home,
528
00:26:57,325 --> 00:26:59,869
and our husbands,
and we had a discussion
529
00:26:59,910 --> 00:27:03,205
what would we do if
our husbands ever cheated on us?
530
00:27:03,247 --> 00:27:05,583
I made a joke and I said,
"You know,
531
00:27:05,624 --> 00:27:07,126
I would probably kill him,"
and I said,
532
00:27:07,168 --> 00:27:08,961
"I'm just kidding.
I'm probably gonna
533
00:27:09,003 --> 00:27:10,546
take everything
and leave him."
534
00:27:10,588 --> 00:27:13,132
And then I asked Lorena
what would she do?
535
00:27:13,174 --> 00:27:14,884
And Lorena stated,
"I would--"
536
00:27:14,925 --> 00:27:16,302
Can I say it exactly like--
537
00:27:16,344 --> 00:27:17,845
Ebert: Yeah,
you say it exactly.
538
00:27:17,887 --> 00:27:19,889
Lorena stated,
"I would cut his dick off,
539
00:27:19,930 --> 00:27:23,059
'cause that would hurt him
more than just killing him."
540
00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:25,061
♪♪♪
541
00:27:25,102 --> 00:27:27,104
Male Reporter: Lorena Bobbitt
looks like a woman in trouble
542
00:27:27,146 --> 00:27:30,399
and she is.
The 24-year-old manicurist
543
00:27:30,441 --> 00:27:32,401
was portrayed
by prosecution witnesses
544
00:27:32,443 --> 00:27:35,029
as a vicious woman who
physically attacked her husband.
545
00:27:36,947 --> 00:27:38,866
Man: Well, I think a lot
of people look at this and say,
546
00:27:38,908 --> 00:27:41,160
"My God, these people
deserved each other."
547
00:27:41,202 --> 00:27:42,328
Male Reporter:
A police investigator
548
00:27:42,370 --> 00:27:44,038
who interviewed Mrs. Bobbitt
549
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,207
says she complained
about their sex life.
550
00:27:46,248 --> 00:27:48,084
"He always have orgasm,
and he doesn't wait
551
00:27:48,125 --> 00:27:50,211
"for me to have--
to have orgasm.
552
00:27:50,252 --> 00:27:52,838
"He's selfish.
I don't think it's fair,
553
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,301
so I pulled back shirt--
the sheets, then I did it."
554
00:27:57,343 --> 00:28:00,888
[indistinct chatter]
555
00:28:00,930 --> 00:28:03,682
- Man: Yo, John!
- Woman: John, how did it go?
556
00:28:05,684 --> 00:28:07,645
Male Reporter: At this point,
the prosecution
557
00:28:07,686 --> 00:28:09,230
is expected to rest.
558
00:28:09,271 --> 00:28:11,107
There will be
considerable rebuttal,
559
00:28:11,148 --> 00:28:13,526
but the prosecution
will turn it over for a while
560
00:28:13,567 --> 00:28:16,654
to the defense.
561
00:28:16,695 --> 00:28:20,324
[wind whistling]
562
00:28:20,366 --> 00:28:24,662
I do think that men and women
see this very differently.
563
00:28:24,703 --> 00:28:27,373
And men see it as
a man being mutilated,
564
00:28:27,415 --> 00:28:30,626
I think in the most awful way
a man can imagine.
565
00:28:30,668 --> 00:28:32,420
Many women see it
as a woman
566
00:28:32,461 --> 00:28:35,297
abused to such a degree
that she struck out
567
00:28:35,339 --> 00:28:37,800
at the area that was
doing her the most harm.
568
00:28:37,842 --> 00:28:39,260
You can still
be very sensitive
569
00:28:39,301 --> 00:28:41,554
to the need to cut down
on abuse of women
570
00:28:41,595 --> 00:28:43,431
and see this act
as different from the act
571
00:28:43,472 --> 00:28:45,266
of many women
who are abused,
572
00:28:45,307 --> 00:28:47,601
- who may kill their husbands.
- If you're a man, you may.
573
00:28:47,643 --> 00:28:49,437
- [laughter]
- And you are.
574
00:28:49,478 --> 00:28:51,730
I guess I can't help looking
at it that way. Fascinating.
575
00:28:51,772 --> 00:28:55,276
If he did force her, then
she gave him what he deserved.
576
00:28:55,317 --> 00:28:56,777
You don't force anyone.
577
00:28:56,819 --> 00:28:58,237
Uh, I don't know.
I disagree with that.
578
00:28:58,279 --> 00:29:00,364
I mean, that's--
that's very cruel.
579
00:29:00,406 --> 00:29:02,199
♪♪♪
580
00:29:02,241 --> 00:29:05,369
Kim Masters: There is
a battle of the sexes.
581
00:29:05,411 --> 00:29:07,621
We went through it
with Hill-Thomas, you know.
582
00:29:07,663 --> 00:29:09,999
All kinds
of terrible behavior
583
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,293
has been tolerated
and overlooked.
584
00:29:12,334 --> 00:29:15,212
Along comes Lorena Bobbitt,
585
00:29:15,254 --> 00:29:18,007
and women...
[chuckles]
586
00:29:18,048 --> 00:29:20,468
were kind of
thrilled about it.
587
00:29:20,509 --> 00:29:23,137
They were like, "Wow,
somebody struck back."
588
00:29:23,179 --> 00:29:25,973
You know, it was really
almost shocking,
589
00:29:26,015 --> 00:29:28,767
the degree to which
the women were excited.
590
00:29:28,809 --> 00:29:30,436
You think that what
she did was appropriate?
591
00:29:30,478 --> 00:29:32,188
Yes.
592
00:29:32,229 --> 00:29:34,190
I would've liked
to do that.
593
00:29:34,231 --> 00:29:36,192
- Interviewer: You would have?
- Huh? Yes!
594
00:29:36,233 --> 00:29:39,236
Yes, if I was
raped or wronged,
595
00:29:39,278 --> 00:29:40,738
of course,
that's your first feeling,
596
00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:42,781
to get back at somebody.
597
00:29:42,823 --> 00:29:45,826
♪♪♪
598
00:29:51,457 --> 00:29:53,626
Whoopi Goldberg:
I was so glad
599
00:29:53,667 --> 00:29:58,214
to see that someone
finally evened up the odds.
600
00:29:58,255 --> 00:29:59,840
- [cheering]
- You know what I mean?
601
00:29:59,882 --> 00:30:01,717
It's like, whoop--
[imitates blade slashing]
602
00:30:01,759 --> 00:30:03,511
[laughter]
603
00:30:03,552 --> 00:30:07,389
Motherfuckers are panicking
across the country.
604
00:30:07,431 --> 00:30:08,599
[laughter, applause]
605
00:30:08,641 --> 00:30:11,852
Men don't know what to do!
606
00:30:11,894 --> 00:30:14,939
You know, guys get
very uncomfortable
607
00:30:14,980 --> 00:30:18,359
when you start talking
about their junk,
608
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:23,030
and removing it,
because for some reason,
609
00:30:23,072 --> 00:30:25,950
you know, it is--
it's sacrosanct.
610
00:30:25,991 --> 00:30:29,328
She basically said,
"Never again.
611
00:30:29,370 --> 00:30:31,205
"You're never gonna do this
to me again,
612
00:30:31,247 --> 00:30:35,417
and I'm going to make you
remember what I'm telling you."
613
00:30:35,459 --> 00:30:39,463
I thought it was
kind of stunning,
614
00:30:39,505 --> 00:30:42,758
but I know men were like--
you talk to men,
615
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,843
and they get little tears
in their eyes and stuff,
616
00:30:44,885 --> 00:30:47,304
because it was just--
it was unthinkable.
617
00:30:47,346 --> 00:30:49,098
She did the unthinkable.
618
00:30:49,139 --> 00:30:52,309
You see, women live
with the knowledge
619
00:30:52,351 --> 00:30:54,812
that weird shit could happen
at any point.
620
00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:57,856
You go down a dark alley
and whoosh, somebody grabs you.
621
00:30:57,898 --> 00:31:02,361
And now, men actually
have to think about this shit!
622
00:31:02,403 --> 00:31:03,654
[laughter]
623
00:31:03,696 --> 00:31:06,448
- [cheers and applause]
- Yeah!
624
00:31:06,490 --> 00:31:11,704
It's 1994, and the shit
is hitting the fan.
625
00:31:11,745 --> 00:31:14,164
Women are pissed.
626
00:31:14,206 --> 00:31:18,335
That's why they're going,
"Yay!"
627
00:31:18,377 --> 00:31:20,921
[chuckling] It seemed to
sort of shift some things.
628
00:31:20,963 --> 00:31:22,464
Now it didn't totally
shift things,
629
00:31:22,506 --> 00:31:25,968
but...
I think it was really--
630
00:31:26,010 --> 00:31:28,429
she made her point.
631
00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:31,682
Women have been abused
for centuries,
632
00:31:31,724 --> 00:31:34,643
and men have been
getting away with it,
633
00:31:34,685 --> 00:31:36,437
and now the tables
are turned a little bit.
634
00:31:36,478 --> 00:31:37,771
[women chanting]
635
00:31:37,813 --> 00:31:39,273
We support Lorena!
636
00:31:39,315 --> 00:31:41,275
Women fight back!
637
00:31:41,317 --> 00:31:42,860
We don't need a judge or jury
to tell us
638
00:31:42,901 --> 00:31:45,195
whether or not
Lorena is telling the truth.
639
00:31:45,237 --> 00:31:46,822
Lorena came forward herself,
640
00:31:46,864 --> 00:31:48,991
said this man
was battering her,
641
00:31:49,033 --> 00:31:50,326
this man was raping her.
642
00:31:50,367 --> 00:31:51,827
That's all we need to know
643
00:31:51,869 --> 00:31:53,412
to know that
Lorena is telling the truth.
644
00:31:53,454 --> 00:31:55,039
Women: [chanting]
We support Lorena!
645
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,916
Women fight back!
646
00:31:57,958 --> 00:32:00,502
Kim Gandy: We've supported
Lorena Bobbitt as we support
647
00:32:00,544 --> 00:32:02,796
women like her
648
00:32:02,838 --> 00:32:04,673
in her quest for justice
649
00:32:04,715 --> 00:32:07,593
and in the search
for justice for all women
650
00:32:07,635 --> 00:32:09,928
who are victims
of violence in this country.
651
00:32:09,970 --> 00:32:13,557
In some ways,
I think that Lorena was
652
00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:18,145
a symbol for what other battered
women were going through.
653
00:32:18,187 --> 00:32:22,399
But it was really hard
to get to that point,
654
00:32:22,441 --> 00:32:25,194
because there was
so little coverage
655
00:32:25,235 --> 00:32:29,114
of her actual abuse
and so much coverage
656
00:32:29,156 --> 00:32:32,618
of how she made sure
that he wouldn't do it again.
657
00:32:32,660 --> 00:32:34,453
♪♪♪
658
00:32:34,495 --> 00:32:36,789
Now for a closer look
at our top story.
659
00:32:36,830 --> 00:32:39,041
The defense began presenting
its case today
660
00:32:39,083 --> 00:32:40,709
in the Lorena Bobbitt trial.
661
00:32:40,751 --> 00:32:43,212
[indistinct chatter]
662
00:32:43,253 --> 00:32:45,547
Female Reporter: It's the moment
everyone has been waiting for,
663
00:32:45,589 --> 00:32:47,883
for defendant Lorena Bobbitt
to take the stand
664
00:32:47,925 --> 00:32:49,968
and tell her side
of the story.
665
00:32:50,010 --> 00:32:52,930
♪♪♪
666
00:32:52,971 --> 00:32:57,267
Howard: The team felt it was
absolutely necessary
667
00:32:57,309 --> 00:33:00,104
that Lorena take the stand,
668
00:33:00,145 --> 00:33:03,565
and tell the background
of their relationship.
669
00:33:03,607 --> 00:33:07,194
The only person
who could tell that
670
00:33:07,236 --> 00:33:09,905
was Lorena herself.
671
00:33:09,947 --> 00:33:12,157
There wasn't any instruction.
672
00:33:12,199 --> 00:33:15,494
I said,
"Just be yourself."
673
00:33:15,536 --> 00:33:18,664
Woman: Raise
your right hand, please.
674
00:33:18,706 --> 00:33:20,207
Do you solemnly
swear or affirm
675
00:33:20,249 --> 00:33:22,543
that the evidence
you shall give to this court
676
00:33:22,584 --> 00:33:24,169
shall be the truth,
the whole truth,
677
00:33:24,211 --> 00:33:26,004
and nothing but the truth,
so help you God?
678
00:33:26,046 --> 00:33:29,133
- I do.
- Woman: Please be seated now.
679
00:33:31,635 --> 00:33:34,221
Lowe: When did you meet
John Bobbitt?
680
00:33:34,263 --> 00:33:37,891
I met, um, John Bobbitt
681
00:33:37,933 --> 00:33:42,563
on September of 1988.
682
00:33:42,604 --> 00:33:43,897
Lowe: How old were you then?
683
00:33:43,939 --> 00:33:46,233
I was 19.
684
00:33:46,275 --> 00:33:48,610
Lowe: What was your reaction
to him?
685
00:33:48,652 --> 00:33:50,487
I was in love with him.
686
00:33:50,529 --> 00:33:53,282
I, um...
687
00:33:53,323 --> 00:33:57,369
To me he represent
everything.
688
00:33:57,411 --> 00:34:01,457
Um, that was the beginning
of starting my family here,
689
00:34:01,498 --> 00:34:03,917
in United States.
690
00:34:03,959 --> 00:34:07,087
♪♪♪
691
00:34:07,129 --> 00:34:10,007
Lowe: When you came here,
where did you stay?
692
00:34:10,048 --> 00:34:11,800
Lorena:
I stayed with Mrs. Castro,
693
00:34:11,842 --> 00:34:14,428
which is a family friend.
694
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:16,805
♪♪♪
695
00:34:16,847 --> 00:34:20,267
Lorena: The Castro family
have two daughters.
696
00:34:20,309 --> 00:34:22,186
Mercedes was
a year older than me.
697
00:34:22,227 --> 00:34:25,439
Emily was
a year younger than me,
698
00:34:25,481 --> 00:34:27,107
so I was right in the middle.
699
00:34:27,149 --> 00:34:30,319
♪♪♪
700
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,988
Amalin Hoyt: I met Lorena
through my sister.
701
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:35,574
She was actually living
at my sister's house.
702
00:34:35,616 --> 00:34:38,827
My sister's very strict.
Very, very strict,
703
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:41,330
♪♪♪
704
00:34:41,371 --> 00:34:44,666
My nieces loved parties
and loved going places.
705
00:34:44,708 --> 00:34:47,336
Lorena would go with them,
but she was quiet.
706
00:34:49,087 --> 00:34:50,672
She was very naive.
707
00:34:53,425 --> 00:34:58,013
♪♪♪
708
00:34:58,055 --> 00:35:01,308
♪ For reasons
that my fate knows best ♪
709
00:35:01,350 --> 00:35:04,394
♪ I saw a boy ♪
710
00:35:04,436 --> 00:35:05,896
Lowe: Where did you meet him?
711
00:35:05,938 --> 00:35:09,316
I met him at the club.
712
00:35:09,358 --> 00:35:11,401
- Lowe: At the what?
- Um, it's--
713
00:35:11,443 --> 00:35:15,405
it's an enlisted men?
Enlisted Marines' club.
714
00:35:15,447 --> 00:35:16,448
Lowe: And where is that?
715
00:35:16,490 --> 00:35:18,116
Lorena: Quantico base.
716
00:35:18,158 --> 00:35:22,412
Lorena: The first impression
that I have was
717
00:35:22,454 --> 00:35:25,123
that he was handsome.
718
00:35:25,165 --> 00:35:27,251
He was a lance corporal,
719
00:35:27,292 --> 00:35:29,711
Lance Corporal Bobbitt.
720
00:35:29,753 --> 00:35:36,009
♪ I am the girl
that he meets ♪
721
00:35:36,051 --> 00:35:38,762
He, um,
came and asked me
722
00:35:38,804 --> 00:35:42,808
if I would like to dance,
and I said, "Sure."
723
00:35:42,850 --> 00:35:45,561
He has these
most beautiful blue eyes.
724
00:35:45,602 --> 00:35:48,939
There was a chemistry,
you know.
725
00:35:48,981 --> 00:35:52,025
Obviously he liked me,
so he asked for my phone number,
726
00:35:52,067 --> 00:35:54,987
and that was it.
727
00:35:55,028 --> 00:35:59,575
♪♪♪
728
00:35:59,616 --> 00:36:02,452
Janna Bisutti: She'd never
dated anyone else before,
729
00:36:02,494 --> 00:36:06,081
and she just was totally
enthralled with him.
730
00:36:06,123 --> 00:36:10,961
Lorena: We only dated
for 10 months.
731
00:36:11,003 --> 00:36:12,754
We'd just go out for pizza,
732
00:36:12,796 --> 00:36:14,882
or, you know, ice cream.
733
00:36:14,923 --> 00:36:17,050
We were chaperoned, you know.
734
00:36:17,092 --> 00:36:21,388
Everything was just innocence.
735
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:23,849
Lowe: Miss Bobbitt,
what is the family view
736
00:36:23,891 --> 00:36:27,728
concerning
unchaperoned dating?
737
00:36:27,769 --> 00:36:31,899
Um, my family
wouldn't allow it.
738
00:36:31,940 --> 00:36:37,195
Lowe: What is the family view
concerning premarital sex?
739
00:36:37,237 --> 00:36:40,532
My family
wouldn't allow it.
740
00:36:40,574 --> 00:36:45,287
From what I know is, Lorena
fell instantly in love with him.
741
00:36:45,329 --> 00:36:48,790
And he was handsome,
I must say.
742
00:36:48,832 --> 00:36:51,668
But my nieces did not
like him at all.
743
00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:56,048
The first time they met him,
they did not like him.
744
00:36:56,089 --> 00:36:58,425
I think he liked to drink,
745
00:36:58,467 --> 00:37:00,218
and he always
forgot his wallet...
746
00:37:00,260 --> 00:37:02,054
[chuckling]
wherever they went.
747
00:37:02,095 --> 00:37:04,765
The girls, Emily and Mercedes,
were like,
748
00:37:04,806 --> 00:37:07,267
"Wait a minute,
you paid last time.
749
00:37:07,309 --> 00:37:08,977
Why-- He doesn't pay,"
750
00:37:09,019 --> 00:37:12,147
so they might just see
something that I didn't see,
751
00:37:12,189 --> 00:37:14,816
but I didn't look at it as,
you know, like,
752
00:37:14,858 --> 00:37:17,110
"Oh, this is on purpose.
He's doing it," or something.
753
00:37:17,152 --> 00:37:19,947
I mean, you know,
I loved him.
754
00:37:19,988 --> 00:37:22,991
♪♪♪
755
00:37:26,411 --> 00:37:27,913
Male Reporter:
CNN's live coverage
756
00:37:27,955 --> 00:37:30,540
of the Lorena Bobbitt
trial continues.
757
00:37:30,582 --> 00:37:35,003
Lowe: Ms. Bobbitt, had John
ever shown any violence
758
00:37:35,045 --> 00:37:36,254
towards you to this time?
759
00:37:36,296 --> 00:37:37,506
No.
760
00:37:37,547 --> 00:37:40,592
Lowe:
Had he ever referred to you
761
00:37:40,634 --> 00:37:43,637
in any derogatory way
to this time?
762
00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:45,097
No.
763
00:37:46,515 --> 00:37:48,100
He was a Marine,
and in the Marines,
764
00:37:48,141 --> 00:37:51,436
they had a giant pool.
765
00:37:51,478 --> 00:37:53,355
He invited to me to go.
766
00:37:53,397 --> 00:37:55,983
♪♪♪
767
00:37:56,024 --> 00:37:57,859
He came out from the pool,
768
00:37:57,901 --> 00:38:00,487
and he had this ring
that he found
769
00:38:00,529 --> 00:38:02,489
in the bottom
of the pool.
770
00:38:02,531 --> 00:38:08,704
It was actually pretty.
It was a bow, golden.
771
00:38:08,745 --> 00:38:10,288
You know, obviously it was
somebody else's ring
772
00:38:10,330 --> 00:38:12,165
that they lost
at the pool.
773
00:38:12,207 --> 00:38:15,210
But that become
my engagement ring,
774
00:38:15,252 --> 00:38:20,590
so...I said,
"You have to be real.
775
00:38:20,632 --> 00:38:22,801
You have to be serious,"
and he said, "No,
776
00:38:22,843 --> 00:38:25,303
I'm serious.
I want to marry you."
777
00:38:25,345 --> 00:38:29,141
So that was-- that was it.
778
00:38:29,182 --> 00:38:32,185
♪♪♪
779
00:38:37,816 --> 00:38:41,403
Hoyt: When I heard that they
had gotten married, I, um--
780
00:38:41,445 --> 00:38:43,613
I didn't--
I couldn't believe it.
781
00:38:43,655 --> 00:38:45,449
I was like, "When? How?"
782
00:38:45,490 --> 00:38:47,868
But all I know is that
783
00:38:47,909 --> 00:38:51,747
she didn't go back
to my sister's after that.
784
00:38:51,788 --> 00:38:54,416
And what I remember
hearing was
785
00:38:54,458 --> 00:38:56,960
her parents were happy.
786
00:38:57,002 --> 00:38:59,421
Lorena's parents were happy,
because, uh,
787
00:38:59,463 --> 00:39:01,465
she had married an American.
788
00:39:01,506 --> 00:39:04,509
♪♪♪
789
00:39:26,740 --> 00:39:28,533
Lorena:
We have our good times,
790
00:39:28,575 --> 00:39:32,204
you know, our happy moments.
791
00:39:32,245 --> 00:39:35,332
But things started to change.
792
00:39:35,373 --> 00:39:37,793
♪♪♪
793
00:39:37,834 --> 00:39:40,253
He couldn't keep a job.
I don't know why.
794
00:39:40,295 --> 00:39:43,590
♪♪♪
795
00:39:43,632 --> 00:39:45,759
Joseph Fletcher: There was
a nightclub right--
796
00:39:45,801 --> 00:39:47,552
basically across the street
797
00:39:47,594 --> 00:39:50,555
from the apartment complex
in the shopping center there
798
00:39:50,597 --> 00:39:53,308
that he was supposed
to be bouncing in,
799
00:39:53,350 --> 00:39:57,729
and he bragged about being
a Marine and all this, and--
800
00:39:57,771 --> 00:39:59,439
[scoffs]
801
00:39:59,481 --> 00:40:01,775
I don't even know if he
worked there a whole week.
802
00:40:01,817 --> 00:40:03,819
[chuckles] Like I said,
I don't ever remember--
803
00:40:03,860 --> 00:40:05,195
He worked there three weeks.
804
00:40:05,237 --> 00:40:07,864
I don't ever remember
him working.
805
00:40:07,906 --> 00:40:10,450
Male Reporter:
They bought a small home,
806
00:40:10,492 --> 00:40:12,494
but when John got out
of the Marine Corps,
807
00:40:12,536 --> 00:40:16,414
their only steady income
was from Lorena.
808
00:40:16,456 --> 00:40:19,543
Lowe: Was it subsequently
foreclosed?
809
00:40:19,584 --> 00:40:22,003
The house was foreclosed.
810
00:40:22,045 --> 00:40:23,755
Lowe: Could you make
the payments by yourself?
811
00:40:23,797 --> 00:40:25,048
No, sir, I could not.
812
00:40:25,090 --> 00:40:28,260
♪♪♪
813
00:40:28,301 --> 00:40:30,303
Lorena:
We are a married couple.
814
00:40:30,345 --> 00:40:33,515
Whatever is yours is mine.
Whatever is mine is yours.
815
00:40:33,557 --> 00:40:36,518
And I believe all this.
816
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,228
Male Reporter: She claims
that her desperation
817
00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:39,896
to support both her
and her husband
818
00:40:39,938 --> 00:40:43,108
solely on her income
drove her to crime.
819
00:40:43,150 --> 00:40:46,069
Once she shoplifted
from this Nordstrom store,
820
00:40:46,111 --> 00:40:49,698
and stole more than
$7,000 from her employer.
821
00:40:49,739 --> 00:40:52,033
Lorena:
I didn't want to steal.
822
00:40:52,075 --> 00:40:54,327
I was not in a good place.
823
00:40:54,369 --> 00:40:58,331
I worked so hard,
and it was never enough.
824
00:40:58,373 --> 00:41:01,042
I--I stole because
I have a lot of--
825
00:41:01,084 --> 00:41:04,504
a lot of payments to do
and I couldn't handle by myself.
826
00:41:04,546 --> 00:41:06,506
Woman: But what you stole
from Nordstrom
827
00:41:06,548 --> 00:41:08,633
didn't have anything to do
with paying the bills, did it?
828
00:41:08,675 --> 00:41:10,177
Lorena:
I stole from Nordstrom
829
00:41:10,218 --> 00:41:11,887
because he didn't like
my dresses,
830
00:41:11,928 --> 00:41:14,556
and he always tell me
that I was ugly,
831
00:41:14,598 --> 00:41:18,560
and I wanted
to be pretty for him.
832
00:41:18,602 --> 00:41:21,646
And I was just so embarrassed.
I didn't want to tell anybody.
833
00:41:21,688 --> 00:41:25,984
My family wasn't here.
My family was in Venezuela.
834
00:41:26,026 --> 00:41:27,819
I didn't want them to worry.
835
00:41:27,861 --> 00:41:31,239
And I didn't want anybody
to make any judgments
836
00:41:31,281 --> 00:41:33,366
about what was going on.
837
00:41:33,408 --> 00:41:35,619
It was just my business
and, um,
838
00:41:35,660 --> 00:41:39,831
I was gonna try to work it--
to work it out.
839
00:41:39,873 --> 00:41:42,584
♪♪♪
840
00:41:42,626 --> 00:41:45,295
We continue with more
of Lorena Bobbitt's testimony
841
00:41:45,337 --> 00:41:48,673
in her own defense at her
trial in Manassas, Virginia.
842
00:41:48,715 --> 00:41:51,092
Bailiff: Come to order.
843
00:41:53,053 --> 00:41:55,055
- Judge: Counsel,
ready to proceed? - Lowe: Yes, sir.
844
00:41:55,096 --> 00:41:57,599
Woman: The defense
is going to have to work
845
00:41:57,641 --> 00:42:02,312
hard to portray John Bobbitt
in a different light...
846
00:42:02,354 --> 00:42:03,772
- Man: Mm-hmm.
- ...consistent with what
847
00:42:03,813 --> 00:42:05,732
Lorena Bobbitt is saying.
848
00:42:05,774 --> 00:42:10,195
What every case turns on
in the final analysis
849
00:42:10,237 --> 00:42:12,822
over and over again,
850
00:42:12,864 --> 00:42:14,866
is credibility.
851
00:42:14,908 --> 00:42:16,534
Male Reporter: Defense witnesses
from the apartment building
852
00:42:16,576 --> 00:42:18,995
shared by the couple
are expected to testify
853
00:42:19,037 --> 00:42:20,997
to a series
of abusive incidents.
854
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:22,749
Howard:
We'd done our homework,
855
00:42:22,791 --> 00:42:25,543
had the documents
from the court.
856
00:42:25,585 --> 00:42:28,129
We had coworkers.
857
00:42:28,171 --> 00:42:29,756
We had next-door neighbors.
858
00:42:29,798 --> 00:42:34,302
That was the way
we approached the defense.
859
00:42:34,344 --> 00:42:35,887
You have to show the history
of the battered--
860
00:42:35,929 --> 00:42:37,430
of the battered wife,
and you have to have--
861
00:42:37,472 --> 00:42:38,890
build a bridge
from the battering
862
00:42:38,932 --> 00:42:40,767
to this particular event.
863
00:42:40,809 --> 00:42:43,937
♪♪♪
864
00:42:43,979 --> 00:42:46,564
Lowe: Did there
come a time when you
865
00:42:46,606 --> 00:42:50,110
and John and Todd
866
00:42:50,151 --> 00:42:54,114
went to a club
called Chelsea's?
867
00:42:54,155 --> 00:42:55,865
- Yes, sir.
- Lowe: How long had you
868
00:42:55,907 --> 00:42:59,035
been married
when that occurred?
869
00:42:59,077 --> 00:43:03,248
Like about a month later.
870
00:43:03,290 --> 00:43:04,708
Lowe: What happened
on the ride home?
871
00:43:04,749 --> 00:43:07,752
♪♪♪
872
00:43:25,437 --> 00:43:29,024
Lorena:
He was zig-zagging.
873
00:43:29,065 --> 00:43:32,485
He was going,
like, around 85 or 90.
874
00:43:32,527 --> 00:43:36,156
I was scared
and I told him to stop.
875
00:43:36,197 --> 00:43:37,907
He would not listen to me,
876
00:43:37,949 --> 00:43:41,161
so I st-- I grabbed
the steering wheel.
877
00:43:41,202 --> 00:43:43,705
Lowe: Did he hurt you?
878
00:43:43,747 --> 00:43:46,124
Yes, he did, sir.
879
00:43:46,166 --> 00:43:47,542
He hurt me.
880
00:43:47,584 --> 00:43:52,339
He punched me
in the chest.
881
00:43:52,380 --> 00:43:54,049
I mean,
all I did was crying,
882
00:43:54,090 --> 00:43:56,718
and I was just in pain.
883
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,888
And his brother
was in the back seat,
884
00:43:59,929 --> 00:44:02,474
and he was
shaking his head "yes,"
885
00:44:02,515 --> 00:44:05,935
you know, like, telling John
that he did right or whatever.
886
00:44:05,977 --> 00:44:07,854
♪♪♪
887
00:44:07,896 --> 00:44:09,939
Lowe: What happened
when you got home?
888
00:44:09,981 --> 00:44:12,359
Lorena: He took me
by my arm
889
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,571
and he take me up
to the apartment,
890
00:44:16,613 --> 00:44:19,115
and then he, um--
he kicked me.
891
00:44:19,157 --> 00:44:22,577
He told me that,
"I told you to--not to cry."
892
00:44:22,619 --> 00:44:25,163
♪♪♪
893
00:44:25,205 --> 00:44:26,915
Lowe: At some point
during that,
894
00:44:26,956 --> 00:44:28,208
did Officer Francis show up?
895
00:44:28,249 --> 00:44:29,918
Lorena:
Yes, he did, sir.
896
00:44:29,959 --> 00:44:31,836
Lowe: What happened
when Officer Francis showed up?
897
00:44:31,878 --> 00:44:34,798
Lorena: As soon as
John opened the door,
898
00:44:34,839 --> 00:44:38,426
he immediately changed.
899
00:44:38,468 --> 00:44:41,429
It was like he become--
he became another person,
900
00:44:41,471 --> 00:44:44,891
like, uh, calmed down
and everything.
901
00:44:44,933 --> 00:44:48,895
He wasn't yelling.
He's not aggressive.
902
00:44:48,937 --> 00:44:51,356
The officer said
if I have a place to go,
903
00:44:51,398 --> 00:44:53,441
and I said, "No,"
but I leave anyways.
904
00:44:53,483 --> 00:44:55,610
♪♪♪
905
00:44:55,652 --> 00:44:58,571
So I--I took my car,
906
00:44:58,613 --> 00:45:02,325
and I stay in the parking lot
of my work.
907
00:45:02,367 --> 00:45:03,952
Lowe: Where did you sleep
that night?
908
00:45:03,993 --> 00:45:05,870
Lorena:
I sleep in my car.
909
00:45:11,876 --> 00:45:14,712
Lowe: Did you tell anybody
about this?
910
00:45:14,754 --> 00:45:16,965
No, I didn't.
No, I couldn't.
911
00:45:17,006 --> 00:45:18,299
Lowe: Why not?
912
00:45:18,341 --> 00:45:21,136
Because I was...
913
00:45:21,177 --> 00:45:22,804
[sighs]
914
00:45:22,846 --> 00:45:24,848
I couldn't understand why
the person that I love
915
00:45:24,889 --> 00:45:27,392
have reacted that way.
916
00:45:27,434 --> 00:45:30,728
I couldn't understand
why my husband hit me.
917
00:45:30,770 --> 00:45:32,355
I couldn't understand
many things.
918
00:45:32,397 --> 00:45:35,233
I was in shock.
I was--
919
00:45:35,275 --> 00:45:38,236
I couldn't--
I couldn't believe that.
920
00:45:38,278 --> 00:45:41,698
I was embarrassed
to tell people, also.
921
00:45:43,825 --> 00:45:46,244
And I thought
he might change.
922
00:45:46,286 --> 00:45:49,122
He never gonna do it again.
923
00:45:52,208 --> 00:45:54,335
♪♪♪
924
00:45:54,377 --> 00:45:57,672
Howard: There started
to be incidents.
925
00:45:57,714 --> 00:46:00,592
There was a little pushing
and shoving,
926
00:46:00,633 --> 00:46:05,847
and then that escalated
and got more violent.
927
00:46:05,889 --> 00:46:09,851
And I said, "You think
anybody saw those things?"
928
00:46:09,893 --> 00:46:11,394
She says, "Oh, definitely."
929
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,316
Will Hall: We lived
in Maplewood Park Apartments.
930
00:46:16,357 --> 00:46:18,526
They were our neighbors.
931
00:46:18,568 --> 00:46:20,778
Heard, um, a lot of arguing,
932
00:46:20,820 --> 00:46:22,864
but it was always John
that I heard.
933
00:46:22,906 --> 00:46:24,616
He was very dominating.
934
00:46:24,657 --> 00:46:26,951
I mean, you could see it.
935
00:46:26,993 --> 00:46:29,871
She was small.
She was--she was a small woman.
936
00:46:29,913 --> 00:46:32,457
She was maybe a buck-oh-five,
I don't know.
937
00:46:32,499 --> 00:46:34,042
She was tiny.
938
00:46:34,083 --> 00:46:36,169
Like, there was a time
that they got to arguing,
939
00:46:36,211 --> 00:46:39,255
and, like, he kinda backed her
down, you know what I mean?
940
00:46:39,297 --> 00:46:41,883
Say they would go
to the grocery store.
941
00:46:41,925 --> 00:46:44,636
She'd be, like, carrying
all the bags with her head down,
942
00:46:44,677 --> 00:46:46,763
all somber, and he'd be, like,
walking behind her,
943
00:46:46,804 --> 00:46:49,224
always trying to act so macho,
I mean...
944
00:46:49,265 --> 00:46:53,603
She realized she made a mistake
when she married him,
945
00:46:53,645 --> 00:46:54,979
but I think she was
way too scared
946
00:46:55,021 --> 00:46:58,316
to--to leave him.
947
00:46:58,358 --> 00:47:01,736
♪♪♪
948
00:47:01,778 --> 00:47:04,113
Okay, um...
949
00:47:04,155 --> 00:47:07,992
John and Lorena were
at my mother's house
950
00:47:08,034 --> 00:47:11,162
for a Christmas Eve reunion
we were having.
951
00:47:11,204 --> 00:47:14,457
John gave her a box, um,
952
00:47:14,499 --> 00:47:17,335
and told her to open it
in front of all of us.
953
00:47:17,377 --> 00:47:18,920
And Lorena said,
"Okay, thank you,"
954
00:47:18,962 --> 00:47:21,172
and just put it next to her,
955
00:47:21,214 --> 00:47:23,675
and John says,
"Aren't you gonna open it?"
956
00:47:23,716 --> 00:47:26,886
She opened the box,
and it happened to be
957
00:47:26,928 --> 00:47:31,140
a very small underwear,
a little bikini.
958
00:47:31,182 --> 00:47:32,642
Obviously she got
very embarrassed,
959
00:47:32,684 --> 00:47:34,477
and she tried to put it
behind her back
960
00:47:34,519 --> 00:47:36,479
so none of the guys
will see it.
961
00:47:36,521 --> 00:47:39,691
And... she got up,
and you could see
962
00:47:39,732 --> 00:47:41,651
that she was
about to cry.
963
00:47:41,693 --> 00:47:44,362
I saw him get in--
his face got really red
964
00:47:44,404 --> 00:47:47,490
and he follow her,
and grab her by the arm
965
00:47:47,532 --> 00:47:50,076
and push her
against the wall.
966
00:47:50,118 --> 00:47:52,245
I stopped
where I was going,
967
00:47:52,287 --> 00:47:54,163
because I thought
he was gonna hit her.
968
00:47:54,205 --> 00:47:56,916
He asked her,
"What's wrong with you?"
969
00:47:56,958 --> 00:47:59,961
And she said,
"John, please, put me down."
970
00:48:00,003 --> 00:48:02,088
And she was real scared,
971
00:48:02,130 --> 00:48:04,340
so he just push her
one more time,
972
00:48:04,382 --> 00:48:06,676
walked away,
and said, "Bitch."
973
00:48:06,718 --> 00:48:09,387
♪♪♪
974
00:48:09,429 --> 00:48:12,515
In hindsight...
[clears throat]
975
00:48:12,557 --> 00:48:14,267
I don't know if anybody's
ever heard of this,
976
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:17,562
but you--when they say
you can see it in the eyes...
977
00:48:17,604 --> 00:48:19,897
I see it in the eyes.
Like, when I look back
978
00:48:19,939 --> 00:48:22,734
at some of the footage,
and some of his interviews,
979
00:48:22,775 --> 00:48:24,736
it's in his eyes.
980
00:48:24,777 --> 00:48:27,864
♪♪♪
981
00:48:27,905 --> 00:48:32,368
Howard: I asked her
if at any time when she
982
00:48:32,410 --> 00:48:37,040
became a victim of violence,
domestic violence,
983
00:48:37,081 --> 00:48:40,126
whether she ever reported that
and she said she had.
984
00:48:40,168 --> 00:48:43,504
We've responded to complaints
of domestic violence
985
00:48:43,546 --> 00:48:46,382
at their residence
about half a dozen times
986
00:48:46,424 --> 00:48:48,134
in the past few years.
987
00:48:48,176 --> 00:48:50,261
In one case,
we arrested John,
988
00:48:50,303 --> 00:48:52,972
and charged him
with assault and battery.
989
00:48:53,014 --> 00:48:56,017
♪♪♪
990
00:48:59,979 --> 00:49:03,858
She would come over and I would
see the marks on her throat.
991
00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:07,278
She would have rug burns
on her arms.
992
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,448
She had a bump on her head
one night,
993
00:49:10,490 --> 00:49:12,742
and bruises, like,
through her back.
994
00:49:12,784 --> 00:49:15,161
He got upset with her
at a bar
995
00:49:15,203 --> 00:49:17,413
because someone
looked at her
996
00:49:17,455 --> 00:49:20,041
and therefore he yelled
and jerked her
997
00:49:20,083 --> 00:49:21,876
and got very angry
with her.
998
00:49:21,918 --> 00:49:25,129
Emily Castro:
She had bruises on her hip.
999
00:49:25,171 --> 00:49:26,839
She was really, really upset.
1000
00:49:26,881 --> 00:49:30,093
I heard the ruckus upstairs,
1001
00:49:30,134 --> 00:49:33,971
running and banging
and heard her hollering.
1002
00:49:34,013 --> 00:49:36,432
And she'd said her husband
had raped her.
1003
00:49:36,474 --> 00:49:38,267
I just gave 'em that--
those articles
1004
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:42,146
on rape and domestic violence.
1005
00:49:42,188 --> 00:49:45,149
Too, I was abused wife, too.
1006
00:49:45,191 --> 00:49:48,569
He came up,
grabbed Lorena by the hair,
1007
00:49:48,611 --> 00:49:50,905
screaming, yelling,
they were fighting.
1008
00:49:50,947 --> 00:49:52,657
He was hitting her,
punching her.
1009
00:49:52,699 --> 00:49:54,701
Lowe:
Have you seen her bruised?
1010
00:49:54,742 --> 00:49:57,286
Yes.
I seen many of bruises,
1011
00:49:57,328 --> 00:49:59,956
in the inside
of her leg,
1012
00:49:59,997 --> 00:50:02,667
and in the very backs
of her arms.
1013
00:50:02,709 --> 00:50:05,378
She had the bruises
on her right hip, here,
1014
00:50:05,420 --> 00:50:07,630
and on
her left shoulder, here.
1015
00:50:07,672 --> 00:50:09,590
On her face, also.
1016
00:50:09,632 --> 00:50:13,594
♪♪♪
1017
00:50:13,636 --> 00:50:16,139
Male Reporter: The defense
provided witness after witness
1018
00:50:16,180 --> 00:50:18,433
to tell the jury
about bruises and scars,
1019
00:50:18,474 --> 00:50:20,268
both emotional and physical,
1020
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:22,770
which they said were
inflicted on Mrs. Bobbitt
1021
00:50:22,812 --> 00:50:23,980
by the former Marine.
1022
00:50:24,021 --> 00:50:27,024
♪♪♪
1023
00:50:32,739 --> 00:50:35,408
Lorena:
There were so many incidents
1024
00:50:35,450 --> 00:50:38,745
on which at different times
I call 911.
1025
00:50:38,786 --> 00:50:42,957
He kicked me, and he
slapped me on my face.
1026
00:50:42,999 --> 00:50:44,333
He pulled my hair,
grabbed my arm,
1027
00:50:44,375 --> 00:50:46,377
and--and dragged me,
1028
00:50:46,419 --> 00:50:49,589
and he twist my arm
and my foot,
1029
00:50:49,630 --> 00:50:52,175
and he--he choke me.
1030
00:50:52,216 --> 00:50:54,635
Lowe: Would you show us
how he would choke you?
1031
00:50:55,970 --> 00:50:59,265
He would put his hands
around my neck,
1032
00:50:59,307 --> 00:51:03,436
and he would choke my, um,
this part of my neck.
1033
00:51:03,478 --> 00:51:08,065
He will put his two thumbs,
pushing me very down, low.
1034
00:51:09,984 --> 00:51:11,903
Diana Fletcher: You know,
she didn't really want
1035
00:51:11,944 --> 00:51:14,238
to talk about it that much.
That's something you hide.
1036
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:15,615
I'd see her
on her way to work,
1037
00:51:15,656 --> 00:51:18,367
lady picking her up outside
that, uh,
1038
00:51:18,409 --> 00:51:22,038
her makeup was a little
thicker than usual.
1039
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:25,625
You know, it's--
she was covering it up,
1040
00:51:25,666 --> 00:51:29,504
red marks or bruises,
whichever the case may be.
1041
00:51:29,545 --> 00:51:32,673
But he's no man
to be beating on a woman.
1042
00:51:32,715 --> 00:51:34,175
- That's just--
- Women hide stuff.
1043
00:51:34,217 --> 00:51:35,426
That's what we do.
We hide stuff.
1044
00:51:35,468 --> 00:51:37,345
Yeah, mm-hmm.
1045
00:51:37,386 --> 00:51:38,930
Well, I don't know
why they do.
1046
00:51:38,971 --> 00:51:41,432
I did for a while.
1047
00:51:41,474 --> 00:51:42,934
- I mean, not really--
- Not with me.
1048
00:51:42,975 --> 00:51:44,519
- [laughs]
- I mean...
1049
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:45,937
Yeah, like I'd kill you.
1050
00:51:45,978 --> 00:51:47,939
[laughter]
1051
00:51:47,980 --> 00:51:50,191
I did for a while
with my first one.
1052
00:51:50,233 --> 00:51:53,319
I mean, I actually--
1053
00:51:53,361 --> 00:51:55,363
When it got physical,
I took a pair of scissors
1054
00:51:55,404 --> 00:51:57,156
and stabbed him, and he
never touched me again,
1055
00:51:57,198 --> 00:51:59,992
but the mental, and I stayed
1056
00:52:00,034 --> 00:52:01,577
because I thought my son
needed a father.
1057
00:52:01,619 --> 00:52:02,995
But then when I was
getting ready to leave,
1058
00:52:03,037 --> 00:52:05,373
he up and got sick
and died, so...
1059
00:52:05,414 --> 00:52:07,583
But I kinda understand
why women hide it.
1060
00:52:07,625 --> 00:52:09,877
I didn't tell people,
you know.
1061
00:52:09,919 --> 00:52:11,379
I didn't tell people
what was going on.
1062
00:52:11,420 --> 00:52:13,923
You just don't do that.
1063
00:52:13,965 --> 00:52:17,677
You know? You don't--
You just don't do it.
1064
00:52:23,099 --> 00:52:27,395
Howard: There was a pattern
of physical abuse
1065
00:52:27,436 --> 00:52:33,025
and rape that she'd had to
endure during the marriage,
1066
00:52:33,067 --> 00:52:39,949
and she said the one thing
that he, uh,
1067
00:52:39,991 --> 00:52:42,994
he liked to have anal sex.
1068
00:52:43,035 --> 00:52:45,705
♪♪♪
1069
00:52:45,746 --> 00:52:47,832
She said
when he would come in,
1070
00:52:47,874 --> 00:52:53,087
3:00, 4:00 in the morning,
drunk, she knew.
1071
00:52:53,129 --> 00:52:55,631
Laying there, she knew
what was gonna happen.
1072
00:52:55,673 --> 00:52:58,676
♪♪♪
1073
00:53:03,055 --> 00:53:06,350
He would tell guys
he played basketball with
1074
00:53:06,392 --> 00:53:12,440
and they would, uh, engage
in what we call "guy talk."
1075
00:53:12,481 --> 00:53:14,775
Howard:
Yes, sir, Mr. Kaopua,
1076
00:53:14,817 --> 00:53:17,028
would you give the members of
the jury your full name?
1077
00:53:17,069 --> 00:53:20,740
Kaopua: My name is
Johnathan Alika Kaopua.
1078
00:53:20,781 --> 00:53:22,617
Woman:
Please be seated, sir.
1079
00:53:24,076 --> 00:53:25,870
Howard: Mr. Whitaker,
keep your voice up
1080
00:53:25,912 --> 00:53:28,456
so the members of the jury
can hear you, please.
1081
00:53:28,497 --> 00:53:30,249
Would you give us
your full name
1082
00:53:30,291 --> 00:53:32,043
and your age, please?
1083
00:53:32,084 --> 00:53:34,295
Whitaker: Jonathan
Michael Whitaker, Age 19.
1084
00:53:34,337 --> 00:53:37,965
Howard: Did you ever hear
Mr. Bobbitt make any statement
1085
00:53:38,007 --> 00:53:39,842
with reference to forced sex
1086
00:53:39,884 --> 00:53:41,636
and his attitude
toward forced sex?
1087
00:53:41,677 --> 00:53:42,803
- Yes, sir.
- Howard: Would you tell
1088
00:53:42,845 --> 00:53:44,555
the members of the jury where
1089
00:53:44,597 --> 00:53:46,182
and under what circumstances
that occurred?
1090
00:53:46,223 --> 00:53:50,978
Uh, me, John Whitaker,
and Lorenzo were in
1091
00:53:51,020 --> 00:53:53,773
Lorenzo's room talking
about girls and stuff.
1092
00:53:53,814 --> 00:53:55,524
Howard: Tell the members
of the jury
1093
00:53:55,566 --> 00:53:58,361
just what he told you,
as well as you can recall it.
1094
00:53:58,402 --> 00:54:00,905
He said that he liked
to make girls squirm,
1095
00:54:00,947 --> 00:54:03,157
and yell,
and make 'em bleed,
1096
00:54:03,199 --> 00:54:04,700
and yell for help.
1097
00:54:04,742 --> 00:54:06,827
He said, uh,
that he liked to have--
1098
00:54:06,869 --> 00:54:08,704
that the way he liked
to have sex
1099
00:54:08,746 --> 00:54:11,999
was forced sex,
because that turned him on.
1100
00:54:12,041 --> 00:54:14,543
He liked-- He liked
to make girls squirm,
1101
00:54:14,585 --> 00:54:17,880
um, and he liked
to fuck 'em up the ass.
1102
00:54:17,922 --> 00:54:22,134
He liked to "eff" them
up the ass.
1103
00:54:22,176 --> 00:54:23,678
Ebert: And you don't know
whether John was
1104
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,179
telling the truth
when he made that statement
1105
00:54:25,221 --> 00:54:27,598
or was just, shall we say,
engaging in
1106
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,018
some sort of bravado
when he came in there,
1107
00:54:31,060 --> 00:54:32,353
isn't that right?
1108
00:54:32,395 --> 00:54:33,813
You could tell
he was serious.
1109
00:54:33,854 --> 00:54:36,941
Ebert:
Okay. Thank you.
1110
00:54:36,983 --> 00:54:40,736
Whitaker: I just wanted
to help. That's it.
1111
00:54:40,778 --> 00:54:42,947
Like, I was young, man,
watching my mother get spit on,
1112
00:54:42,989 --> 00:54:44,865
get her clothes
ripped off of her,
1113
00:54:44,907 --> 00:54:46,951
smacked around.
1114
00:54:46,993 --> 00:54:48,661
She'd go to call the cops,
1115
00:54:48,703 --> 00:54:50,287
he'd punch the phone
through the wall, you know?
1116
00:54:50,329 --> 00:54:52,832
I swore that I would never
1117
00:54:52,873 --> 00:54:55,084
have no female ever
feel that way
1118
00:54:55,126 --> 00:54:56,961
under my arm, you know?
1119
00:54:57,003 --> 00:54:59,171
Like, I would never
want to see a female
1120
00:54:59,213 --> 00:55:02,091
feel the way
my mom felt, ever.
1121
00:55:06,554 --> 00:55:08,055
Lowe:
Did you and John ever engage
1122
00:55:08,097 --> 00:55:10,933
in anything other
than vaginal sex?
1123
00:55:13,269 --> 00:55:15,730
He did it, sir.
I didn't.
1124
00:55:15,771 --> 00:55:17,982
Lowe: Did it happen--
when did it happen?
1125
00:55:20,609 --> 00:55:22,028
Um...
1126
00:55:23,571 --> 00:55:25,865
We went to the bedroom,
1127
00:55:25,906 --> 00:55:28,492
and, um-- he, um--
1128
00:55:28,534 --> 00:55:32,747
he grabbed me,
and he, um--
1129
00:55:32,788 --> 00:55:38,669
he turned me, and...
1130
00:55:38,711 --> 00:55:42,173
I was-- I was
with my stomach down,
1131
00:55:42,214 --> 00:55:44,842
and he, um--
1132
00:55:44,884 --> 00:55:46,886
he...
1133
00:55:46,927 --> 00:55:50,473
he did it.
He--he--he--
1134
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:53,267
He--
1135
00:55:53,309 --> 00:55:55,478
He, um...
1136
00:55:55,519 --> 00:55:59,065
He have, uh, anal sex.
1137
00:55:59,106 --> 00:56:00,608
Lowe: Did he ask you
if he could?
1138
00:56:00,649 --> 00:56:01,942
No, no, no.
1139
00:56:01,984 --> 00:56:03,152
Lowe: Did you give him
permission to?
1140
00:56:03,194 --> 00:56:04,612
No, no, no.
1141
00:56:04,653 --> 00:56:05,696
Lowe:
Did he use any lubricant?
1142
00:56:05,738 --> 00:56:09,200
No. No.
1143
00:56:09,241 --> 00:56:10,409
- No.
- Lowe: Was it forced?
1144
00:56:10,451 --> 00:56:13,037
Yes, yes, he did.
It happened.
1145
00:56:13,079 --> 00:56:15,456
- Lowe: Were you injured?
- Yes, I was.
1146
00:56:15,498 --> 00:56:16,957
Lowe: What injuries
did you sustain?
1147
00:56:16,999 --> 00:56:19,418
I was bleeding, sir.
1148
00:56:19,460 --> 00:56:23,798
[inhales, exhales]
1149
00:56:23,839 --> 00:56:25,633
Lowe: Did he ever threaten
to do it again?
1150
00:56:25,674 --> 00:56:27,718
- Yes, sir. Yes.
- Lowe: How frequently?
1151
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,304
Um...
1152
00:56:30,346 --> 00:56:33,641
Um, every time
we would have sex.
1153
00:56:35,309 --> 00:56:39,105
He would, um--
he would threaten me.
1154
00:56:39,146 --> 00:56:40,648
Lowe:
How would he threaten you?
1155
00:56:40,689 --> 00:56:43,234
Um...
1156
00:56:43,275 --> 00:56:44,735
He, um--
1157
00:56:44,777 --> 00:56:45,861
[breathing raggedly]
1158
00:56:45,903 --> 00:56:47,988
Uh, he--
1159
00:56:49,865 --> 00:56:51,450
He...
1160
00:56:59,834 --> 00:57:01,085
He...
1161
00:57:08,425 --> 00:57:11,554
He would say
he would like to have, um,
1162
00:57:11,595 --> 00:57:13,055
that kind of sex.
1163
00:57:14,723 --> 00:57:17,059
And, um...
1164
00:57:17,101 --> 00:57:19,687
I--I wouldn't--
1165
00:57:19,728 --> 00:57:21,438
I wouldn't let him.
1166
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:25,609
I try not to let him
happen again.
1167
00:57:25,651 --> 00:57:29,071
[breathing raggedly]
1168
00:57:29,113 --> 00:57:32,241
[rain pattering]
1169
00:57:32,283 --> 00:57:35,286
♪♪♪
1170
00:57:42,626 --> 00:57:44,628
[indistinct chatter]
1171
00:57:46,755 --> 00:57:49,884
♪♪♪
1172
00:57:49,925 --> 00:57:51,427
Judge: Your witness.
1173
00:57:51,468 --> 00:57:52,970
Howard: Uh, I want to call
Mr. Bobbitt
1174
00:57:53,012 --> 00:57:54,763
as an adverse witness,
Your Honor.
1175
00:57:54,805 --> 00:57:56,056
- Judge: Mr. Bobbitt?
- Howard: Yes, sir.
1176
00:57:56,098 --> 00:57:57,850
Bailiff: John Bobbitt.
1177
00:58:00,060 --> 00:58:03,898
Howard: When you have a
"he said, she said" situation,
1178
00:58:03,939 --> 00:58:06,650
it is also a challenge
for the defense attorney
1179
00:58:06,692 --> 00:58:11,322
to attack the credibility
1180
00:58:11,363 --> 00:58:13,782
of the adversary
or the victim--
1181
00:58:13,824 --> 00:58:16,243
Mr. Bobbitt,
in this case.
1182
00:58:16,285 --> 00:58:17,828
Man 1:
The victim has to be credible
1183
00:58:17,870 --> 00:58:19,455
and has to be sympathetic.
1184
00:58:19,496 --> 00:58:20,956
One of the reasons
that you have somebody
1185
00:58:20,998 --> 00:58:23,334
testify in person
is so you can see
1186
00:58:23,375 --> 00:58:25,127
how they're reacting
in questions.
1187
00:58:25,169 --> 00:58:26,587
Man 2: They're putting
him on the stand,
1188
00:58:26,629 --> 00:58:28,631
just exposing him
to the jury,
1189
00:58:28,672 --> 00:58:30,633
and that's just to try to get
a window into his character.
1190
00:58:30,674 --> 00:58:31,926
What the defense
wants to show
1191
00:58:31,967 --> 00:58:33,510
that this is not
a nice person,
1192
00:58:33,552 --> 00:58:35,638
or he's lying,
or he's capable of lying.
1193
00:58:35,679 --> 00:58:38,766
♪♪♪
1194
00:58:38,807 --> 00:58:40,559
Howard: Mr. Bobbitt,
during the course
1195
00:58:40,601 --> 00:58:43,938
of the marriage, sir,
did you ever strike your wife?
1196
00:58:43,979 --> 00:58:45,356
- No.
- Howard: Never hit?
1197
00:58:45,397 --> 00:58:46,398
No, never, never did.
1198
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,526
Howard: Did you ever forcibly
1199
00:58:49,568 --> 00:58:50,903
have sex with your wife?
1200
00:58:50,945 --> 00:58:52,404
No, I didn't.
1201
00:58:52,446 --> 00:58:54,406
I never forced my wife
to have sex, ever.
1202
00:58:54,448 --> 00:58:57,201
Howard: You ever pushed,
restrained,
1203
00:58:57,243 --> 00:58:58,619
grabbed or shoved
your wife?
1204
00:58:58,661 --> 00:59:00,704
Um, yes, I have.
1205
00:59:00,746 --> 00:59:03,040
Howard: Okay. And have you--
how many occasions...
1206
00:59:03,082 --> 00:59:04,375
- Many. Many.
- Howard: ...have you had to?
1207
00:59:04,416 --> 00:59:06,210
- Many times.
- Howard: Many times.
1208
00:59:06,252 --> 00:59:07,878
John: And sometimes
I'd hold her down.
1209
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:09,296
That's the only--
you know, I mean,
1210
00:59:09,338 --> 00:59:11,382
you know, I could never
hit my wife.
1211
00:59:11,423 --> 00:59:13,425
I mean, I could--
I'm afraid to hurt her.
1212
00:59:13,467 --> 00:59:16,095
I never hit her at all,
just push her,
1213
00:59:16,136 --> 00:59:19,765
and hold her down and
restrain her from hitting me.
1214
00:59:19,807 --> 00:59:21,141
You know, I'd--I--
1215
00:59:21,183 --> 00:59:23,143
I'd tell her,
"This is not normal.
1216
00:59:23,185 --> 00:59:24,812
I don't believe
in violence,"
1217
00:59:24,853 --> 00:59:28,774
and, you know, it's
not ladylike to strike out.
1218
00:59:28,816 --> 00:59:31,026
Howard: What I've seen
in my practice
1219
00:59:31,068 --> 00:59:34,280
and in my experience
with abusers,
1220
00:59:34,321 --> 00:59:35,656
is two things--
1221
00:59:35,698 --> 00:59:38,200
there's the absolute denial.
1222
00:59:38,242 --> 00:59:40,244
The second thing is
1223
00:59:40,286 --> 00:59:42,579
the abuse generally
starts out
1224
00:59:42,621 --> 00:59:44,039
the way it did
in this case,
1225
00:59:44,081 --> 00:59:46,333
with pushing and shoving,
1226
00:59:46,375 --> 00:59:50,212
and the more it continues
without the other person
1227
00:59:50,254 --> 00:59:54,091
taking action,
it just continues to escalate.
1228
00:59:54,133 --> 00:59:56,760
Howard:
Remember this form, sir,
1229
00:59:56,802 --> 00:59:59,763
that you filled out
and signed in front of...
1230
00:59:59,805 --> 01:00:03,851
Kathleen Williams with
the Family Advocacy Group
1231
01:00:03,892 --> 01:00:05,894
at Quantico Marines?
1232
01:00:07,855 --> 01:00:09,023
Can't say I have.
1233
01:00:09,064 --> 01:00:10,065
Howard: You have?
1234
01:00:10,107 --> 01:00:11,775
I can't say I--I don't--
1235
01:00:11,817 --> 01:00:14,737
I don't remember
this form at all.
1236
01:00:14,778 --> 01:00:16,113
Howard: You've got
a questionnaire,
1237
01:00:16,155 --> 01:00:18,699
which he has signed,
1238
01:00:18,741 --> 01:00:20,784
where he admitted instances
1239
01:00:20,826 --> 01:00:22,536
where he had struck his wife
and so forth.
1240
01:00:22,578 --> 01:00:25,331
I don't remember
this form at all.
1241
01:00:25,372 --> 01:00:28,292
Howard: And he says, "Ah,
I don't remember any of this,"
1242
01:00:28,334 --> 01:00:31,462
and I said, "Well,
look at the last page
1243
01:00:31,503 --> 01:00:35,132
and tell me if you can
identify the signature,"
1244
01:00:35,174 --> 01:00:37,593
and he said, "Yeah,
that's me." [laughs]
1245
01:00:37,634 --> 01:00:42,056
Howard: February 21, 1991,
you were charged
1246
01:00:42,097 --> 01:00:44,600
with assault and battery
of your wife.
1247
01:00:44,641 --> 01:00:46,101
Do you remember entering
1248
01:00:46,143 --> 01:00:48,479
a plea of guilty in court
to these charges?
1249
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,105
Well, I didn't plead
guilty to it.
1250
01:00:50,147 --> 01:00:52,941
I just said, you know--
I denied what--what she--
1251
01:00:52,983 --> 01:00:54,943
she stated in this here,
1252
01:00:54,985 --> 01:00:57,112
what they said in here.
I didn't do nothing.
1253
01:00:57,154 --> 01:00:58,614
I didn't hit my wife
or anything.
1254
01:00:58,655 --> 01:01:01,450
She just, you know--
they just said this.
1255
01:01:01,492 --> 01:01:03,786
Lowe: Officer Bodmer,
did you have occasion
1256
01:01:03,827 --> 01:01:07,081
to respond to a 911 call
at the Bobbitt house
1257
01:01:07,122 --> 01:01:11,460
- at one point in history?
- Yes, I did.
1258
01:01:11,502 --> 01:01:13,337
Lowe: Do you have
a recollection of whether or not
1259
01:01:13,379 --> 01:01:15,964
Mr. Bobbitt entered a plea
of guilty in that hearing?
1260
01:01:16,006 --> 01:01:20,386
John Wayne Bobbitt entered
a plea of guilty.
1261
01:01:20,427 --> 01:01:22,429
Howard: You remember
an occasion
1262
01:01:22,471 --> 01:01:24,306
when you assaulted
your wife,
1263
01:01:24,348 --> 01:01:27,351
and an Officer Francis
from the Manassas Police
1264
01:01:27,393 --> 01:01:29,144
came to the door?
1265
01:01:29,186 --> 01:01:30,396
No.
1266
01:01:30,437 --> 01:01:31,897
Lowe: Did you knock
on the door?
1267
01:01:31,939 --> 01:01:32,940
Yes, I did.
1268
01:01:32,981 --> 01:01:34,525
Lowe: Who answered the door?
1269
01:01:34,566 --> 01:01:35,692
Mr. Bobbitt did.
1270
01:01:35,734 --> 01:01:37,277
Howard: You were
drinking heavily
1271
01:01:37,319 --> 01:01:39,113
on that occasion,
weren't you, Mr. Bobbitt?
1272
01:01:39,154 --> 01:01:40,531
- No.
- Howard: When that--
1273
01:01:40,572 --> 01:01:42,449
- Pardon me?
- No.
1274
01:01:42,491 --> 01:01:44,243
I could--I noticed
an odor of alcohol
1275
01:01:44,284 --> 01:01:46,495
about his person, yes.
1276
01:01:46,537 --> 01:01:48,330
Howard: Did you ever
tell anybody
1277
01:01:48,372 --> 01:01:50,374
that you enjoyed
forcible sex?
1278
01:01:50,416 --> 01:01:52,626
Uh, no, no.
1279
01:01:52,668 --> 01:01:54,211
- Howard: Never did?
- No.
1280
01:01:54,253 --> 01:01:55,838
Howard: All right.
1281
01:01:57,548 --> 01:01:59,800
Howard: He's lying
to law enforcement.
1282
01:01:59,842 --> 01:02:03,220
He's lying
to the doctors, uh...
1283
01:02:03,262 --> 01:02:06,723
he lied to everybody.
1284
01:02:06,765 --> 01:02:08,892
Female Newscaster: So let's
talk about John Wayne Bobbitt
1285
01:02:08,934 --> 01:02:11,520
as an adverse witness--
what did you think?
1286
01:02:11,562 --> 01:02:14,648
He does seem to have
a problem recalling
1287
01:02:14,690 --> 01:02:17,776
a number of incidents that
are important to the defense,
1288
01:02:17,818 --> 01:02:20,612
and I think
that one possible liability
1289
01:02:20,654 --> 01:02:24,116
for John Bobbitt is if the jury
seems to get the impression
1290
01:02:24,158 --> 01:02:28,996
that he's insincere
in his selective memory.
1291
01:02:29,037 --> 01:02:31,832
♪♪♪
1292
01:02:31,874 --> 01:02:34,793
Gergely: The defense did a
good job in cross-examining him
1293
01:02:34,835 --> 01:02:37,921
and getting him
to contradict himself,
1294
01:02:37,963 --> 01:02:40,549
and I'm sure that Paul Ebert
was sitting there cringing
1295
01:02:40,591 --> 01:02:43,677
as his star witness
sat there and just mumbled.
1296
01:02:43,719 --> 01:02:46,722
♪♪♪
1297
01:02:47,681 --> 01:02:49,224
[crowd booing]
1298
01:02:49,266 --> 01:02:51,435
Female Newscaster:
John Bobbitt exited to jeers.
1299
01:02:51,477 --> 01:02:53,562
You could tell where
the sympathy lay,
1300
01:02:53,604 --> 01:02:56,440
at least with these folks
gathered at the courthouse.
1301
01:02:56,482 --> 01:02:58,484
[booing continues]
1302
01:03:01,153 --> 01:03:03,030
♪♪♪
1303
01:03:03,071 --> 01:03:06,492
Cocalis: She really
came across as a victim,
1304
01:03:06,533 --> 01:03:09,578
and, you know, while you can be
somewhat callous
1305
01:03:09,620 --> 01:03:12,080
and say, "I think
she's being coached,"
1306
01:03:12,122 --> 01:03:14,875
there's still a pretty appalling
record of abuse
1307
01:03:14,917 --> 01:03:16,585
in that marriage.
1308
01:03:16,627 --> 01:03:19,713
♪♪♪
1309
01:03:19,755 --> 01:03:21,715
Female Reporter:
Lorena Bobbitt may have been abused,
1310
01:03:21,757 --> 01:03:24,760
but did it cause her
to go temporarily insane
1311
01:03:24,801 --> 01:03:26,136
when she mutilated
her husband?
1312
01:03:26,178 --> 01:03:27,679
That will be
the ultimate question
1313
01:03:27,721 --> 01:03:29,681
when this trial
resumes on Friday.
1314
01:03:29,723 --> 01:03:32,726
♪♪♪
1315
01:03:39,525 --> 01:03:41,985
From what I saw,
it was clear to me
1316
01:03:42,027 --> 01:03:45,781
that Lorena Bobbitt had been
abused by her husband.
1317
01:03:45,822 --> 01:03:48,200
But from a legal and
mental health perspective,
1318
01:03:48,242 --> 01:03:51,286
it doesn't really matter
how abusive they'd been.
1319
01:03:51,328 --> 01:03:54,373
What matters is whether
she was so mentally ill
1320
01:03:54,414 --> 01:03:56,083
that she knew
what she was doing,
1321
01:03:56,124 --> 01:03:58,752
but she was incapable
of stopping that impulse.
1322
01:03:58,794 --> 01:04:03,173
♪♪♪
1323
01:04:03,215 --> 01:04:05,008
That was the issue.
1324
01:04:05,050 --> 01:04:08,053
♪♪♪
1325
01:04:20,357 --> 01:04:23,360
♪♪♪
1326
01:04:23,410 --> 01:04:27,960
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