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[ Pigs squealing ]
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MAN: As President Reagan
was preparing to deliver
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his weekly radio address
from Camp David,
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he ad-libbed
thoughts on the economy
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during a microphone check,
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not intended to be
part of his speech.
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PRESIDENT REAGAN:
My fellow Americans,
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I've talked to you
about the economic problems
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and opportunities
our nation faces.
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I'm prepared to tell you
it's a hell of mess.
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The hard line being taken
by the Reagan administration
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concerning
the air controllers strike...
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The Supreme Court delivered
a potentially staggering setback
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to labor unions.
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It comes at a time
when union officials
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are charging there is a growing
campaign to break unions.
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MAN:
The operation will be nonunion.
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Salaries will be cut in half.
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MAN #2: Wilson Foods
declared bankruptcy.
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With the stroke of a pen,
it could stay in business
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but void its labor contract
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and slash workers' salaries
by 40% to 50%.
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WOMAN: These are hard times
for the meatpacking industry.
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MAN: Union labor has taken
almost 50% wage-and-benefit cuts
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to keep their jobs
and their companies afloat.
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At least I'm taking some money
home instead of nothing.
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WOMAN: In Waterloo, Iowa,
a shutdown.
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At Iowa Beef,
a violent strike...
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MAN: Striking meatpackers
facing 40% pay cuts
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go packing bricks against
a truck at a Wilson Foods plant.
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RATHER: Crossed picket lines in
spite of an automobile barricade
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as Hormel's flagship plant,
open for a second week...
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WOMAN: ...send in the guards
was reached after city officials
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said the situation at Hormel
was beyond their control.
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This is not Austin anymore!
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It's Hormel, Minnesota!
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You guys are helping them!
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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Austin, Minnesota, is not
just about Austin, Minnesota.
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Austin is the cavalry.
The workers in this nation.
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Workers somewhere,
sometime, someplace,
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must stand up and say,
"Enough is enough!"
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We want jobs and justice.
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Someday.
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Can I give you a pamphlet here?
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So you can see what's going on
in the Austin plant. Thank you.
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Can I give you one of these
about the Hormel injury rate?
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- Okay, thank you.
- Thank you.
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Aren't you Mr. Anderson?
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Hi. I don't know
if you remember me.
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- We had the good years.
- You did.
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And this, I sure hope it comes,
gets straightened out.
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I'd like to see
something settled.
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And I understand
your side of it.
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I really do. I wouldn't
like to take a cut either.
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I wish everybody good luck.
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I hope they don't have trouble
with the company.
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I'm retired, and if I were
still working, if I lost my job,
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that would be terrible.
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MAN:
Could I talk to your husband?
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WOMAN: No, but there's something
I would love to say to you.
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Aren't you guys happy working
at the Hormel plant?
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Under the current conditions,
no.
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We were happy making $10.69 and
when Hormel treated us decent.
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Why do you stay at
a place you're not happy?
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We don't have all the money
in the world like the Knowltons.
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There are so many people that
would love to have your job
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at $8.75 an hour
and all those nice benefits.
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When we were your age,
we weren't making what you were.
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Then give us a fair shake
like you got a fair shake.
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[ Door closes ]
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Hmm.
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If we gotta give up 23% wages
and 30% cut in benefits,
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when the company's
making $30 million,
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what are we gonna have to give
when they show a loss?
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Two years ago
under the incentive program,
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my last incentive check
in the hog cut in the new plant,
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I grossed $637
for 47 hours' work.
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After the incentive program
was taken away,
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I went down to $409 a week.
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Today I'm making $312.
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Working twice as hard
for the same amount of hours.
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It's ridiculous.
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My father worked
for George A. Hormel plant
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for many years.
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He was also a very proud man.
He was a hard worker.
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He was proud of his products.
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He was in the days
of heavy production.
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He went out on a stretcher
one day from the plant.
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My husband now, I'm proud
to be a wife of a hog cutter.
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I'm proud of the products.
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But I don't like the way
they're treating my family
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or my husband or anyone else
who ever worked for that plant.
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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JIM: It's a real quagmire
of a situation,
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and people
are really getting hurt.
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Their pride is hurt
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because they can't fulfill
the needs of their family,
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and they've somehow got to go
on welfare programs,
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and people are very angry,
hurt, upset, frustrated.
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And it's difficult
to vent your frustrations
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in the proper direction.
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WOMAN:
Utility workers make more.
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Meter readers make more.
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The garbage collectors
make more.
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A guy that works with Wes, or
did work with my husband quit.
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He got hired at the city.
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He's starting
at $11-something an hour.
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But I don't begrudge anybody
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that's making $30,000,
$40,000, $50,000.
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But let us live in our house.
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Let us live
in our $32,000 house.
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And that we all
may walk in faith
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In your community
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NYBERG:
In Austin, 22,000 people.
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We're in a little world
by ourselves down here.
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These are the people
we go to church with.
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These are the people
we go to grocery stores with.
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We meet on the street.
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We meet in various forms
of recreation.
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We rub shoulders with them.
Do we care about our employees?
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Yes, we do.
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But in the long term,
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we don't want to go the way
of many other packers
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who realized too late that
their costs were out of line
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and then tried to recover
and couldn't.
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FILM NARRATOR:
It's been written that Jay
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was a born innovator
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and remembered
for his social conscience.
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His thoughtful understanding of
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and concern for the welfare
of the working man
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was surely what gave rise
to the benefits
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that have been made available
to Hormel personnel.
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He initiated the first
guaranteed annual wage.
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There was also
a first-of-its-kind
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profit-sharing plan
for the workers
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that paid a share of
the profits to each of them.
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Perhaps that explains
why everyone at Hormel
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strives for quality
and efficiency.
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WOMAN: I've worked for Hormel,
it'll be 43 years this year.
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And if it were necessary
as a survival,
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I would be all for it.
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We've done it before
over the many, many times.
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But this, I think, is just
the mood of the industry,
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and they're jumping
on the bandwagon
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to be one of them to say,
"We were able to do it, too."
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Where, I think, if they
would have left our wages
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at their present standard,
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people would have really
used them as a shining example
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that in hard times, if you
really have good productivity,
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good relationship
with your employees,
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that you're able to handle
the bad times.
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I hope that they have
enough of the vision
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that I think I must have
for the welfare
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of the long-term future
of the company,
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that would say,
"We can do no more."
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If Jay Hormel were here today,
if George A. Hormel were here,
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they probably would be doing
exactly the same thing
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that we are.
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I think unions are getting
their teeth kicked in.
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I think if you're
into a situation
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of where you're getting beat up,
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you better try
something different.
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MAN: Corporate campaigns
initiated by Ray Rogers...
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MAN #2: Rogers
has been used to targeting
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one enemy, the employer.
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MAN #3: Rogers brought
his Corporate Campaign here...
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JIM: We were very ineffective
in communicating our message.
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MAN #4:
He managed to attract reporters
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from the "New York Times,"
the "Chicago Tribune"...
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JIM: I ran across an article on
Ray Rogers and gave him a call.
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MAN #5: Tough-talking
labor consultant...
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JIM: He said he needed
to do a little research
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because he was a vegetarian,
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didn't know anything
about meatpacking.
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Ray came and made a
presentation to our membership.
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RAY: We will run
a multimillion dollar campaign
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even though you don't
have millions of dollars.
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The greatest resource,
the greatest strength you have
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is the people themselves.
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And that's why
we feel so confident
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that we can pull off
a major victory,
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not just for Local P-9
in Austin,
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but for labor
throughout this entire country.
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- Congratulations, partner.
- Yeah.
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The price of poker just went up.
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In this game, because that's
the way the company views it.
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It's a game the way
they want to treat people,
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hold their whole lives
in jeopardy.
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And to them, it might be a game.
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And to us, it's a war.
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Things can really
start moving now.
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Super.
That's just really nice.
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And we hope that the corporate
executives from Hormel come.
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We hope the executives
from the bank come.
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We want everybody to see
the type of program
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that we plan on running
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and then let them begin
to lose the night's sleep
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like they've caused
this community to lose sleep.
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[ Chanting ]
We're gonna win!
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We're gonna win!
We're gonna win!
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We're gonna win!
We're gonna win!
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RAY: On our staff,
we have experts in all facets
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of research and analysis,
communications experts,
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and experts in all facets
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of political
and community organization.
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We looked out there in society
and saw poor and working people
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getting the daylights
kicked out of them.
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We felt there had to be
a mechanism that they and unions
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and community groups
could turn to
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that had a lot of expertise
in how to challenge
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powerful adversaries
that were irresponsible
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in the policies
directed at workers.
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So we developed
Corporate Campaign programs.
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And our campaign is one
of taking the offense,
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showing that workers
can fight back.
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That they don't have to keep
taking one loss after another.
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You know what we need to do.
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JIM: Ray told me you're never
going to outspend a company,
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public-relations-wise.
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My name is Ray Rogers.
I'm with Corporate Campaign.
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JIM:
That what you needed to do
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was look at creating a situation
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that became
a newsworthy situation.
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The company spent millions in
many years to build an image.
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That's being destroyed
overnight.
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JIM: The strategy was
to go after the money
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behind the corporation.
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There's a lot of labor money
in First Bank's system.
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MAN: Ray Rogers
and his Corporate Campaign
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mailed this letter to over 5,000
union members in the Midwest
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that says in part
the First Bank system
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is a principal stockholder
in the Hormel company
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and thus can influence policy.
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This institution
is directly involved
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in the policymaking process
of Hormel.
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JIM: Ray knows how to put
labor's best foot forward
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so that John Q. Public would
sympathize with our cause.
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There's some guy I'd never seen.
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They started talking to me
about that Hormel situation.
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The guy says, "Are you the guy
that's been brought in?
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Man, I'm telling you,
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you can't imagine how many
of my friends are watching this.
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We're 100% behind you.
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You're teaching
this country something.
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And, by God, you gotta win."
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This is what I'm getting
everywhere.
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You are a symbol of something
that goes beyond Austin.
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Don't you forget it.
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Local P-9 engaged the services
of a labor consultant
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from New York City.
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Mr. Ray Rogers
and Corporate Campaign.
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And Mr. Rogers has
a different philosophy
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about how to deal
with companies.
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Traditional
collective bargaining
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is not the preferred method
that he would use.
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His traditional approaches
are harassment, intimidation,
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and threats.
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And his rationale for that mode
of approaching an employer
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is that if you can
embarrass a company
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hard enough and long enough,
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you'll bring that company
to its knees.
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And they will agree
to the terms and conditions
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of his client unions,
the ones that he represents.
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So he came to us
with that approach.
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There's supposed to be
some other pigs here today.
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CROWD: We don't need
First Bank's greed!
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If anybody doesn't have a sign,
just grab a sign here.
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CROWD: We don't need
First Bank's greed!
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From day to day, you get to be
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on a high like today
with everybody here.
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But when you go home
and nobody's around you,
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you tend to get down.
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But then you get back up
when you go back
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to the union hall
and start helping.
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Then you get up again.
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We're on
the right side of things.
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People are realizing we're
willing to fight that fight.
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People recognize
that the labor movement
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being a key factor
if we're gonna have
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any real meaningful social --
economic -- Cut.
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NARRATOR: Are you afraid
of Corporate Campaign?
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We're not.
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What happens if they persist?
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Well, I don't know.
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With our position,
I don't know what they can do.
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I realize that they can say
a lot of things,
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but they can't do
a lot of things.
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And I think it's tragic, because
the only thing they end up doing
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is destroying their jobs
and their company.
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MAN: Thank you all very much.
Appreciate it.
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NARRATOR: The United Food
and Commercial Workers
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is the parent union
of Austin's local union P-9.
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The Local 9 will suffer
as a result of it.
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They can't negotiate
by themselves.
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Lewie Anderson is the director
of the meatpacking division.
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And they say, "This company
is a profitable company,
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and nothing else
in the universe matters.
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We have a right to our $10.69.
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We have a right
to those benefits."
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That's their thinking.
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To go even beyond that there,
they are convinced by Ray Rogers
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that the Corporate Campaign
will achieve that goal for them.
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He shot them
a line of shit, is all he did.
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The plain fact of the matter is
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there is no doubt
in my mind whatsoever
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they are not going to win
through a corporate campaign.
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They are not gonna win.
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If they continue, they're
gonna become bigger losers
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than what they are now.
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It is gonna
cost them their jobs.
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Instead of making $8.25 an hour,
or $9.25 an hour...
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MAN ON RADIO:
Good one by Glen Campbell.
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It's time for the
song of inspiration
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brought to you by your friends
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at Omaha Auto and Truck
Recyclers Association.
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It used to be
you always had problems.
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You always had
one or two local unions
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that were going through
real serious problems,
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but you had some time to think
about it and to work with them
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and stay with them and help them
work through those problems.
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But what you've had
in the last five years
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is everybody's had problems.
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They've had them
all at the same time.
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You're just running all over
the country in all directions,
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trying to patch things up
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and get things going
in the right direction.
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Then you don't get to stay.
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You have to go deal
with another crisis.
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The companies in this industry
are embarked on a program
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to tear the wages up,
to tear the fringe benefits up,
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to return us to the days
of "The Jungle" 60 years ago.
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Do the unions have any clout?
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Does the public care
about the unions anymore?
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Can the unions
sell this message?
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CROWD:
Go!
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Go! Go!
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Go! Go!
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Local unions like P-9
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have complete autonomy
to carry on all union business
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as long as they don't violate
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their international
constitution.
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The International Union
can only give strategic advice.
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MAN: What can you do
that we can't do?
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- So far, I haven't seen much.
- Really?
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- [ Crowd groans ]
- There's your answer.
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No, I want you to answer that.
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I want you to answer that.
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You're reading too many things
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about what Lewie Anderson
and other people are saying.
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- You're dodging the question.
- I'm not dodging the question.
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That's a question
that was asked.
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I'm not gonna answer it.
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What you do not have,
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what the International
has not furnished,
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what you have not furnished
is the analysis
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upon which you build a program
of real, impenetrable economic
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and political pressure,
harassing the company.
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We have developed some damn good
campaign literature.
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I haven't seen anybody
from the International
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come and give you
that kind of direction
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or campaign literature.
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One thing I'll credit you.
You're a hell of a motivator.
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Millions of dollars worth
of free and positive publicity
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for your campaign,
national press coverage.
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Yes, you have!
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And that's your answer.
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All right.
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00:22:26,044 --> 00:22:26,476
Hi.
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Hi.
Are you with P-9?
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Mm-hmm.
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Okay.
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Is what Local 9
proposing up there
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with the Corporate Campaign
the answer to the problems
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we have seen in the meatpacking
industry in the past
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and the challenges
that we're faced for the future?
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Sometimes you gotta do
what you gotta do, too.
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Are you saying that
regardless of what is decided
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by this organization,
you're going to go ahead
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with that campaign
as you've outlined it?
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If the rank and file dictates
they're gonna resist pay cuts,
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we're gonna resist the pay cuts.
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And I guess we would like to see
you on our side in this fight.
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The Austin program,
it occurs to us,
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is symptomatic
of Reagan's philosophy.
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"I'll get mine, and the hell
with everybody else."
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RAY: Maybe we shouldn't expect
every meatpacker
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to receive the same wage.
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Maybe we need to look
at each company and say,
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"What is the profitability
of the company?"
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Then base the wages that
we expect on its profitability.
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God damn it, the guy working
at Armour, $6 bucks an hour,
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doing the same work
they're doing in Austin
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deserves the $10.69, too,
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as well as every other
packinghouse worker!
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00:23:44,188 --> 00:23:46,918
That is what we stand for.
That is what we gotta do.
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00:23:46,991 --> 00:23:50,188
We cannot have one group
hanging way up here
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and everybody else down below.
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00:23:52,530 --> 00:23:54,998
It's the wrong kind of unionism.
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00:23:55,066 --> 00:23:57,899
We're here saying, you know,
we've got a program.
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We're representing a client
and a large group of people.
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00:24:01,639 --> 00:24:03,436
We're gonna continue
to represent them
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00:24:03,508 --> 00:24:05,408
as long as they want us to.
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00:24:05,476 --> 00:24:08,274
MAN: Why won't the International
support the Hormel workers?
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00:24:08,346 --> 00:24:11,179
Is $10.69 an hour too much?
406
00:24:11,249 --> 00:24:14,013
Look, I worked
in those packinghouses.
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00:24:14,085 --> 00:24:17,248
I worked for a very antiunion
employer as a beef skinner,
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00:24:17,321 --> 00:24:19,084
so I know what that work is.
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00:24:19,157 --> 00:24:22,320
And they deserve $10.69-plus,
believe me.
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00:24:22,393 --> 00:24:24,657
One of the things
that Local 9 has said
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to the Packing Committee
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is, "Well, if we
can get $10.69 there,
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that's the shining star,
and everybody will go to that."
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00:24:31,936 --> 00:24:33,460
But I gotta tell you,
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in some 10 or 15 years
of our experience,
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that's not the case.
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One of two things happens.
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Those operators on the low end
of the scale get bigger,
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00:24:42,213 --> 00:24:45,410
or those on the high end
of that wage scale
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say, "The hell with it,"
and they go out of business,
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or they close this plant
and go down the road
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and open up a plant
at $5.00 or $6.00 an hour.
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That would be great
if we could do that.
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I'd be the first to say,
"Let's do it."
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00:24:57,795 --> 00:24:59,729
But it don't work that way.
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00:25:00,898 --> 00:25:04,197
We came into this thing alone,
and we'll go out alone.
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00:25:05,970 --> 00:25:08,598
I want to tell you,
I am disgusted
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00:25:08,673 --> 00:25:11,699
to be even associated
with this organization.
429
00:25:11,776 --> 00:25:12,743
You've got to.
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00:25:12,810 --> 00:25:15,278
John, take your pen
if you're disgusted.
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00:25:15,346 --> 00:25:18,782
Yeah. You've got a lot
of gutless people here.
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00:25:19,650 --> 00:25:21,345
JIM: We pleaded
with the National Union
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00:25:21,419 --> 00:25:24,081
that if they couldn't support
us, get out of the way.
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00:25:24,155 --> 00:25:26,988
If you're gonna get in the way
and run interference for Hormel,
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00:25:27,058 --> 00:25:29,494
then we're gonna go right
through you if we have to.
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00:25:39,370 --> 00:25:43,534
So you've got the International
Union looking at it and saying,
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00:25:43,608 --> 00:25:45,508
"If these people are successful,
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they may find that
an International Union
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00:25:47,945 --> 00:25:48,877
isn't necessary,
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00:25:48,946 --> 00:25:52,677
and all they need is a labor
consultant from time to time.
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LEWIE:
Now we have a situation
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00:26:01,792 --> 00:26:07,025
where some of the people
from Local 9 and Ray Rogers
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00:26:07,098 --> 00:26:10,363
have a caravan
roaming across the country,
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00:26:10,434 --> 00:26:14,097
spieling out some of
the most antiunion venom.
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00:26:14,171 --> 00:26:17,800
JIM: Our caravan was designed
to tell people what was going on
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from workers
just like themselves.
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00:26:20,278 --> 00:26:21,711
We had the facts.
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00:26:21,779 --> 00:26:23,838
We had the information
to back it up.
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00:26:23,915 --> 00:26:26,543
We were gonna tell it
to them, give it to them,
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00:26:26,617 --> 00:26:29,051
read it to them, sing it,
whatever it took.
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00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:31,213
RAY:
$100,000 expense account,
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00:26:31,289 --> 00:26:34,349
and Lewie Anderson was making
his $70,000-plus salary
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and his lavish expense account.
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If you think
when the public sees that
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00:26:37,828 --> 00:26:39,523
that they understand
the complexities
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00:26:39,597 --> 00:26:42,691
of what's going on
in Austin, Minnesota.
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00:26:42,767 --> 00:26:44,792
All they see
is 200 or 300 people
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00:26:44,869 --> 00:26:46,962
screaming how the union
is no good.
459
00:26:47,038 --> 00:26:48,972
We're not like
some other locals.
460
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,907
Our membership told us
they didn't want that agreement
461
00:26:51,976 --> 00:26:53,534
by a 76% vote.
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00:26:53,611 --> 00:26:55,272
Get the Hormel chain settlement.
463
00:26:55,346 --> 00:26:57,246
Do you think the vice-president
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of an international union
ought tell you
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00:26:59,617 --> 00:27:00,879
you ought to take a concession
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00:27:00,952 --> 00:27:04,115
with by far the most profitable
company in an industry?
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00:27:04,188 --> 00:27:07,385
LEWIE: Antiunionism is oozing
out of our own ranks.
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00:27:07,458 --> 00:27:10,427
That'll destroy us quicker
than anything will.
469
00:27:20,738 --> 00:27:23,434
I know this is
definitely a union-made tent.
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00:27:23,507 --> 00:27:26,704
JIM: People who believe
in what they're doing
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00:27:26,777 --> 00:27:29,678
are the most dangerous kind
of folks in the world.
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00:27:29,747 --> 00:27:32,477
The union there.
52 in Monroe and this one.
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00:27:32,550 --> 00:27:36,042
We'll go hit the banks,
and then we'll go on to Ottumwa.
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MAN: I want to thank
all you guys from P-9
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because you have
performed a miracle
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00:27:43,661 --> 00:27:46,129
for the Hormel employees
of Ottumwa.
477
00:27:50,101 --> 00:27:51,762
I can look out in this crowd
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00:27:51,836 --> 00:27:54,828
and see at least
40 guys and girls
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00:27:54,905 --> 00:27:57,806
that down at work
for the past seven years
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00:27:57,875 --> 00:28:01,140
have looked like they were dead.
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00:28:01,212 --> 00:28:05,273
And you have resurrected them
to life.
482
00:28:07,652 --> 00:28:09,381
Hey, listen, thanks a lot.
483
00:28:09,453 --> 00:28:11,250
Good talking to you.
484
00:28:11,322 --> 00:28:14,382
JIM: We're creating a situation
where the membership
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00:28:14,458 --> 00:28:17,222
is starting to dictate
to the leadership,
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00:28:17,294 --> 00:28:22,061
"Support these guys because we
believe in what they're doing."
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00:28:22,133 --> 00:28:26,035
If making less money is so good,
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00:28:26,103 --> 00:28:29,698
but people don't want to do it,
why should they have to do it?
489
00:28:29,774 --> 00:28:30,638
[ Horn honking ]
490
00:28:30,708 --> 00:28:32,471
WOMAN:
Hormel hot dogs
491
00:28:32,543 --> 00:28:35,444
We don't like Hormel
and their hot dogs
492
00:28:35,513 --> 00:28:36,571
P-9 thanks you.
493
00:28:36,647 --> 00:28:38,615
We'll be back!
494
00:28:38,683 --> 00:28:40,412
Yeah!
495
00:28:47,425 --> 00:28:50,189
LEWIE: They have a machine
in place to make you
496
00:28:50,261 --> 00:28:51,853
look like you don't know
what you're talking about
497
00:28:51,929 --> 00:28:53,692
or carrying the company message.
498
00:28:53,764 --> 00:28:55,755
Rogers and Guyette,
with their machine,
499
00:28:55,833 --> 00:28:58,734
have a firm grip
on that situation.
500
00:28:58,803 --> 00:29:00,794
If you want to gain
your union back,
501
00:29:00,871 --> 00:29:04,204
you're gonna have to recognize
what you're up against.
502
00:29:04,275 --> 00:29:07,039
This meeting is somewhat
clandestine in that
503
00:29:07,111 --> 00:29:09,443
if you're going to put
together a committee,
504
00:29:09,513 --> 00:29:12,277
then you need time
to get it off the ground
505
00:29:12,349 --> 00:29:14,840
without them branding you
at this moment
506
00:29:14,919 --> 00:29:16,409
that the International
is behind it.
507
00:29:16,487 --> 00:29:19,684
It started with four of us that
met two weeks ago with Lewie.
508
00:29:19,757 --> 00:29:22,988
It started off with that group.
We expanded to 16.
509
00:29:23,060 --> 00:29:25,858
Now we're going to go
in a meeting here.
510
00:29:25,930 --> 00:29:30,299
All of us are gonna try to sing
off the same sheet of music.
511
00:29:30,367 --> 00:29:32,631
Hopefully, you'll be
able to go back to Austin.
512
00:29:32,703 --> 00:29:33,965
Once we get the ball rolling,
513
00:29:34,038 --> 00:29:36,370
we'll all be provided
with information.
514
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,169
RAY:
So when anybody is attacking
515
00:29:38,242 --> 00:29:39,971
what this campaign is doing,
516
00:29:40,044 --> 00:29:42,410
attacking anybody
working in this group
517
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,573
and has done anything
for this campaign,
518
00:29:44,648 --> 00:29:47,116
they're attacking
every one of us.
519
00:29:47,184 --> 00:29:49,482
WOMAN: What are we doing
that's so antiunion?
520
00:29:49,553 --> 00:29:54,513
I see more union people here and
more support than I do anywhere.
521
00:29:54,592 --> 00:29:57,561
That's not antiunion.
That's going forward.
522
00:29:57,628 --> 00:29:59,528
I want to be
a union of the '80s.
523
00:30:04,502 --> 00:30:07,164
I want to welcome
all our guests,
524
00:30:07,238 --> 00:30:10,969
visitors, friends, and
everyone that is here today.
525
00:30:11,041 --> 00:30:13,509
We have representatives
from the Hormel locals
526
00:30:13,577 --> 00:30:17,513
in Fremont, Beloit, Ottumwa.
527
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:22,485
We've got our friends from
Farmstead Foods and Albert Lea,
528
00:30:22,553 --> 00:30:25,647
steelworkers
from the Iron Range,
529
00:30:25,723 --> 00:30:27,714
representatives
from the Teamsters.
530
00:30:27,792 --> 00:30:30,124
Through good organization,
good communications,
531
00:30:30,194 --> 00:30:32,253
we're able to wage a campaign
532
00:30:32,329 --> 00:30:34,661
that even the biggest unions
in the country
533
00:30:34,732 --> 00:30:36,757
have not been able to wage.
534
00:30:36,834 --> 00:30:38,165
Are you willing
to stand up and fight?
535
00:30:38,235 --> 00:30:39,293
CROWD:
Yeah!
536
00:30:39,370 --> 00:30:41,930
Let's stand up!
537
00:30:42,006 --> 00:30:43,200
Give me a "W"!
538
00:30:43,274 --> 00:30:45,003
- "Give me an "I"!
- "I"!
539
00:30:45,075 --> 00:30:46,633
- Give me an "N"!
- "N"!
540
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:48,678
- What do you got?
- Win!
541
00:30:48,746 --> 00:30:50,213
We're gonna win it!
542
00:30:50,281 --> 00:30:52,215
- Yeah!
- We're gonna win it!
543
00:30:52,283 --> 00:30:53,648
MAN:
To some, he is a prophet.
544
00:30:53,717 --> 00:30:55,947
A messiah
who has assembled the tools
545
00:30:56,020 --> 00:30:58,045
that can bring corporate giants
to their knees.
546
00:30:58,122 --> 00:31:01,580
MAN: This man is
a organizational genius.
547
00:31:01,659 --> 00:31:04,822
There's no getting around that.
He's got all the bases covered.
548
00:31:04,895 --> 00:31:07,989
People are playing pool,
they're getting together.
549
00:31:08,065 --> 00:31:10,533
There's a lot of things
that are going on
550
00:31:10,601 --> 00:31:13,764
in that union hall that
should have gone on years ago.
551
00:31:13,838 --> 00:31:16,966
He's kept the hands and minds
busy of the people.
552
00:31:17,041 --> 00:31:19,032
MAN: Lewie Anderson
is the Austin union's
553
00:31:19,109 --> 00:31:21,236
international vice-president
in Washington.
554
00:31:21,312 --> 00:31:22,745
Our research has shown
555
00:31:22,813 --> 00:31:25,111
that Hormel could do
more damage to First Bank
556
00:31:25,182 --> 00:31:26,877
by taking their money out
557
00:31:26,951 --> 00:31:29,044
than what First Bank
could ever do to Hormel.
558
00:31:29,119 --> 00:31:30,882
Well, Lewie's lying.
559
00:31:30,955 --> 00:31:32,980
Okay, I want to say this
very clear.
560
00:31:33,057 --> 00:31:34,581
Lewie is lying.
561
00:31:34,658 --> 00:31:37,354
I believe he looked
at Hormel's history.
562
00:31:37,428 --> 00:31:38,690
He talked to some people,
563
00:31:38,762 --> 00:31:41,754
and he thought
once he put a public campaign
564
00:31:41,832 --> 00:31:43,891
with the news media,
they were gonna crumble.
565
00:31:43,968 --> 00:31:47,870
The strategy or the research,
I should say,
566
00:31:47,938 --> 00:31:51,396
had about as much depth
as piss on a flat rock.
567
00:31:52,209 --> 00:31:55,508
How much more damage has to be
done before you figure out
568
00:31:55,579 --> 00:31:57,809
that that strategy
is not working?
569
00:31:57,882 --> 00:31:58,576
Bull!
570
00:31:58,649 --> 00:32:00,514
I don't take anything away
from Local 9
571
00:32:00,584 --> 00:32:01,983
in terms of rallying people.
572
00:32:02,052 --> 00:32:03,986
They've done a good job with it.
573
00:32:04,054 --> 00:32:05,646
But it's a doomed strategy.
574
00:32:05,723 --> 00:32:07,486
It was doomed
from the beginning,
575
00:32:07,558 --> 00:32:09,423
and we tried
to impress that on them.
576
00:32:09,493 --> 00:32:13,953
Being militant and standing up
if you're on the wrong strategy
577
00:32:14,031 --> 00:32:15,328
doesn't make it right.
578
00:32:15,399 --> 00:32:17,560
People still end up
getting hurt.
579
00:32:17,635 --> 00:32:19,535
Rates still continue to tumble.
580
00:32:19,603 --> 00:32:21,628
You don't have
the luxury of saying,
581
00:32:21,705 --> 00:32:23,172
"At least we're fighting."
582
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,732
Because when you fight and it's
over and you've lost everything,
583
00:32:26,810 --> 00:32:31,679
that's a terrible price to pay
just to say that you were tough.
584
00:32:31,749 --> 00:32:34,240
What we're doing makes sense,
and we believe in it.
585
00:32:34,318 --> 00:32:38,584
Belief is something
that will carry you a long ways.
586
00:32:56,140 --> 00:32:57,471
NARRATOR:
Hormel's proposal
587
00:32:57,542 --> 00:33:00,010
keeps a base wage frozen
for three years
588
00:33:00,077 --> 00:33:01,977
at $10 per hour.
589
00:33:02,046 --> 00:33:07,348
And any new employees would be
paid $2 less for the same work.
590
00:33:10,555 --> 00:33:13,080
Hormel's final offer
is rejected
591
00:33:13,157 --> 00:33:16,490
by both the local union
and the International.
592
00:33:16,561 --> 00:33:18,995
NYBERG:
If we're faced with a situation
593
00:33:19,063 --> 00:33:22,726
where there is a withholding
of labor on one side,
594
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,065
we could shut the plant down
completely.
595
00:33:26,137 --> 00:33:27,832
We could try to run the plant
596
00:33:27,905 --> 00:33:30,874
with management employees
on a reduced basis.
597
00:33:30,942 --> 00:33:33,342
We could hire
temporary replacements
598
00:33:33,411 --> 00:33:36,574
for strikers
who elect to stay out.
599
00:33:36,647 --> 00:33:38,672
We could hire
permanent replacements
600
00:33:38,749 --> 00:33:42,549
for strikers
who elect to stay out.
601
00:33:42,620 --> 00:33:46,021
Any combination of those things.
602
00:33:47,758 --> 00:33:51,319
We'll send the letter
tonight, then. Right, Case?
603
00:33:51,395 --> 00:33:54,922
When we hand-deliver the letter,
we're gonna be on strike,
604
00:33:54,999 --> 00:33:57,627
as of midnight on Friday.
605
00:33:58,970 --> 00:34:00,028
MAN:
We'll tell them that.
606
00:34:00,104 --> 00:34:03,198
You want to get that set up
in the main hall?
607
00:34:03,274 --> 00:34:04,571
RAY:
You get your story here
608
00:34:04,642 --> 00:34:07,577
and make sure everybody
hears about it. Really.
609
00:34:07,645 --> 00:34:09,476
Just go ahead.
610
00:34:10,147 --> 00:34:10,806
Aw, come on.
611
00:34:10,881 --> 00:34:12,542
Aw, this is your show.
612
00:34:12,617 --> 00:34:13,879
[ Cheering ]
613
00:34:13,951 --> 00:34:16,317
JIM: The Hormel company
put us into a corner,
614
00:34:16,387 --> 00:34:18,321
and we were gonna come
after them,
615
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:20,482
like a fighter
going into a fight.
616
00:34:20,558 --> 00:34:24,324
When you know you've trained
about as well as you can,
617
00:34:24,395 --> 00:34:27,091
it's time to get the gloves on
or take them off
618
00:34:27,164 --> 00:34:28,791
and do what you got to do.
619
00:34:28,866 --> 00:34:31,494
By over a 93% margin,
620
00:34:31,569 --> 00:34:35,335
the contract proposal
termed by the company
621
00:34:35,406 --> 00:34:39,502
to be their last and final offer
was rejected.
622
00:34:39,577 --> 00:34:43,013
So the Executive Board has met,
and we intend
623
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,176
to give the company
a 48-hour-working-day notice
624
00:34:47,251 --> 00:34:48,684
tonight before midnight.
625
00:34:48,753 --> 00:34:50,948
[ Cheers and applause ]
626
00:34:51,722 --> 00:34:54,282
For the first time in 52 years,
627
00:34:54,358 --> 00:34:59,022
Hormel's Austin plant was about
to be shut down by a strike.
628
00:35:01,098 --> 00:35:03,293
You're looking
pretty chipper today.
629
00:35:03,367 --> 00:35:05,130
- Hi, Bill.
- Hiya, Jim.
630
00:35:05,202 --> 00:35:08,694
Too bad we can't meet
under better circumstances.
631
00:35:08,773 --> 00:35:10,968
I need you to sign.
632
00:35:11,042 --> 00:35:13,704
In fact, if you want to sign
a couple of them, you can.
633
00:35:17,048 --> 00:35:20,984
We got new pencils for everyone,
just like the President.
634
00:35:21,052 --> 00:35:22,610
No, we don't.
635
00:35:22,687 --> 00:35:24,120
That's mine.
636
00:35:27,391 --> 00:35:29,723
- Okay, there you go, Jim.
- Okay. Thanks.
637
00:35:32,029 --> 00:35:34,998
What may result
from the Hormel workers' action
638
00:35:35,066 --> 00:35:37,193
is a test
of just how much muscle
639
00:35:37,268 --> 00:35:40,328
organized labor
can or cannot flex.
640
00:35:40,404 --> 00:35:43,862
Kevin Berger, Channel 5
Eyewitness News, St. Paul.
641
00:35:53,250 --> 00:35:55,548
NYBERG:
I think it is tragic.
642
00:35:55,619 --> 00:35:58,486
We were hoping that some
resolve would be reached,
643
00:35:58,556 --> 00:36:02,117
so that this community
and certainly our employees
644
00:36:02,193 --> 00:36:04,787
wouldn't have to go through
what we're facing.
645
00:36:04,862 --> 00:36:06,853
We've done everything
humanly possible
646
00:36:06,931 --> 00:36:09,957
to resolve this thing
on reasonable terms.
647
00:36:10,034 --> 00:36:12,434
But we aren't going to resolve
this dispute
648
00:36:12,503 --> 00:36:13,470
on unreasonable terms.
649
00:36:13,537 --> 00:36:15,630
JIM: The company's strategy
is a clear one.
650
00:36:15,706 --> 00:36:17,765
They want to freeze us out.
651
00:36:17,842 --> 00:36:20,140
They want to starve us out.
652
00:36:20,211 --> 00:36:25,979
And I think the motto that we at
Local 9 have is best exemplified
653
00:36:26,050 --> 00:36:30,146
in one of Bruce Springsteen's
latest songs.
654
00:36:30,221 --> 00:36:34,419
"We made a promise.
We swore we'd always remember.
655
00:36:34,492 --> 00:36:37,120
No retreat and no surrender."
656
00:36:37,194 --> 00:36:40,823
And I think that the fact
that these people are here today
657
00:36:40,898 --> 00:36:43,992
helping us so that the company
can't starve us out
658
00:36:44,068 --> 00:36:47,401
is certainly a giant push
well on the way
659
00:36:47,471 --> 00:36:50,998
to let this company know that
we are not about to surrender.
660
00:36:53,944 --> 00:36:55,639
- Hi.
- Hi.
661
00:36:56,213 --> 00:36:57,305
Hi.
662
00:37:04,655 --> 00:37:06,816
What we started is something
663
00:37:06,891 --> 00:37:12,193
that's gonna be
more than maybe what we thought.
664
00:37:12,263 --> 00:37:16,165
I see people working together,
people willing to share,
665
00:37:16,233 --> 00:37:17,632
people borrowing clothes.
666
00:37:17,701 --> 00:37:20,761
I see people opening up.
I see people crying.
667
00:37:20,838 --> 00:37:24,239
It's just a whole new part
of people,
668
00:37:24,308 --> 00:37:25,969
and we're pulling together.
669
00:37:26,043 --> 00:37:27,704
You know, we're a big family.
670
00:37:27,778 --> 00:37:29,837
Just so it doesn't.
671
00:37:29,914 --> 00:37:33,179
If it takes too long, people
are gonna get short on cash.
672
00:37:33,250 --> 00:37:35,878
Then they're gonna feel
the squeeze really bad.
673
00:37:35,953 --> 00:37:41,323
My kid five weeks ago got
his finger in the door at home.
674
00:37:41,392 --> 00:37:43,121
Just one of those
freak accidents.
675
00:37:43,194 --> 00:37:45,560
Went in and had three stitches.
120 bucks.
676
00:37:45,629 --> 00:37:48,189
There went half of my paycheck.
677
00:37:49,033 --> 00:37:52,161
This money
is to be used for food
678
00:37:52,236 --> 00:37:54,727
for the people of Local P-9.
679
00:37:59,910 --> 00:38:01,673
I can't even add.
680
00:38:03,247 --> 00:38:05,477
I can't even add.
681
00:38:05,549 --> 00:38:08,882
One thousand...
682
00:38:08,953 --> 00:38:10,352
One hundred...
683
00:38:16,193 --> 00:38:18,286
Forty-nine dollars!
684
00:38:19,463 --> 00:38:21,021
Almost $1,050.
685
00:38:21,098 --> 00:38:22,622
And they're not done yet.
686
00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:26,295
Take it in brotherhood.
Spirit.
687
00:38:26,370 --> 00:38:30,830
JIM: This money will be very
much needed by our membership.
688
00:38:30,908 --> 00:38:33,706
And I thank you
from the bottom of my heart.
689
00:38:41,585 --> 00:38:44,816
Hey, Joe. They lost
their power over there.
690
00:38:44,889 --> 00:38:47,858
JIM: Our union hall
became a fun place to be at.
691
00:38:47,925 --> 00:38:50,553
There was a lot of things
going on.
692
00:38:50,628 --> 00:38:54,496
It became a place
where families could come.
693
00:38:54,565 --> 00:38:57,363
We had a lot of folks
who liked to work on cars.
694
00:38:57,434 --> 00:39:00,995
Instead of pulling picket duty,
they fixed our cars.
695
00:39:03,507 --> 00:39:06,101
We had carpenters
who fixed people's homes.
696
00:39:06,176 --> 00:39:09,475
They did what they liked to do.
They did their hobbies.
697
00:39:19,823 --> 00:39:21,950
I asked Guyette,
698
00:39:22,026 --> 00:39:24,426
"Tell me where
Corporate Campaign is today,
699
00:39:24,495 --> 00:39:27,191
where it's going next week
and the following weeks
700
00:39:27,264 --> 00:39:29,255
and relate that
to how we're getting back
701
00:39:29,333 --> 00:39:30,300
into the packinghouse."
702
00:39:30,367 --> 00:39:32,494
All they did
is the same old gibberish.
703
00:39:32,570 --> 00:39:34,470
"We've got a group.
We're gaining support.
704
00:39:34,538 --> 00:39:35,835
We got money coming in."
705
00:39:35,906 --> 00:39:37,601
They start with this gibberish,
and you say,
706
00:39:37,675 --> 00:39:39,074
"l didn't ask you that."
707
00:39:39,143 --> 00:39:40,633
"Let him speak!"
708
00:39:40,711 --> 00:39:43,544
Then Rogers
gets into his filibuster.
709
00:39:43,614 --> 00:39:46,811
Then all of a sudden,
it's, "boom." "Next question."
710
00:39:46,884 --> 00:39:48,374
"I was in Ottumwa,
711
00:39:48,452 --> 00:39:50,920
and the guys there
were patting me on the back."
712
00:39:50,988 --> 00:39:53,013
This guy gets it, and he talks
for 10 or 15 minutes.
713
00:39:53,090 --> 00:39:55,320
LEWIE: When he gets up
to start his filibuster,
714
00:39:55,392 --> 00:39:57,656
you got to have
7, 8, 9, 10 people say,
715
00:39:57,728 --> 00:39:59,821
"Tell me how you're gonna get
the jobs back.
716
00:39:59,897 --> 00:40:01,660
Tell me how you're gonna
get a contract."
717
00:40:01,732 --> 00:40:03,597
You got to keep pounding
into him,
718
00:40:03,667 --> 00:40:07,103
"Where are you as far
as settling this thing?"
719
00:40:07,171 --> 00:40:08,832
You got some maniacs up there
720
00:40:08,906 --> 00:40:11,739
in the leadership position
and a maniac in Rogers,
721
00:40:11,809 --> 00:40:12,643
who has yet to do
one positive thing.
722
00:40:12,643 --> 00:40:15,009
who has yet to do
one positive thing.
723
00:40:19,149 --> 00:40:22,050
We can't be jacking
around here forever.
724
00:40:23,420 --> 00:40:26,355
This is a mess.
That's what I'm saying.
725
00:40:26,423 --> 00:40:32,157
Employees shall receive
as normal 40 hours' pay.
726
00:40:33,563 --> 00:40:35,030
Vacation pay shall consist
727
00:40:35,098 --> 00:40:39,034
of an employee's
normal 40-hour weekly check.
728
00:40:39,102 --> 00:40:41,502
- Yeah. That's good enough.
- Good.
729
00:40:43,173 --> 00:40:46,768
JIM: Normally, the National
Union managed negotiations.
730
00:40:46,843 --> 00:40:50,540
However, in this particular
situation, our national union
731
00:40:50,614 --> 00:40:52,946
was spearheading
a concessionary drive,
732
00:40:53,016 --> 00:40:57,043
and we didn't want
a concessionary contract.
733
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:01,489
Therefore, our national union
was told, "Get out of the way.
734
00:41:01,558 --> 00:41:04,186
We'll deal
with our own negotiations."
735
00:41:04,261 --> 00:41:06,092
It don't mean anything.
736
00:41:07,230 --> 00:41:09,323
NYBERG:
When the union made a proposal
737
00:41:09,399 --> 00:41:11,526
that we thought was outrageous,
738
00:41:11,601 --> 00:41:15,128
what we had to do is come back
with a proposal of our own.
739
00:41:15,205 --> 00:41:18,003
Instead of just basing it
blindly on the old contract,
740
00:41:18,075 --> 00:41:20,202
we looked at every provision
of that agreement and said,
741
00:41:20,277 --> 00:41:21,710
"What would make sense here?"
742
00:41:21,778 --> 00:41:23,211
WOMAN:
Who's gonna pay for that?
743
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,838
MAN:
The company.
744
00:41:24,915 --> 00:41:26,507
What is it?
745
00:41:26,583 --> 00:41:28,346
Joint Management Labor.
746
00:41:28,418 --> 00:41:30,818
LEWIE: Any seasoned,
experienced negotiator
747
00:41:30,887 --> 00:41:34,482
knows you don't rewrite
your whole contract.
748
00:41:36,293 --> 00:41:39,285
You don't throw your
whole contract up for grabs.
749
00:41:39,362 --> 00:41:41,523
You don't give the company
the opportunity
750
00:41:41,598 --> 00:41:45,432
to dismantle your contract
because you rewrote it.
751
00:41:46,536 --> 00:41:48,868
But that's exactly what
the P-9 leadership did.
752
00:41:48,939 --> 00:41:50,998
They rewrote a whole contract.
753
00:41:51,074 --> 00:41:53,872
Language it has taken
40 years to negotiate,
754
00:41:53,944 --> 00:41:56,777
language that provides
the local union to have a say
755
00:41:56,847 --> 00:41:59,714
in how the goddamn plant is run.
756
00:41:59,783 --> 00:42:01,683
When management got done
with that contract,
757
00:42:01,752 --> 00:42:03,310
those things didn't exist.
758
00:42:03,386 --> 00:42:07,686
And I'm speaking to 40 years
of bargaining gone as a result
759
00:42:07,758 --> 00:42:10,318
of these assholes
rewriting that whole contract
760
00:42:10,393 --> 00:42:12,054
and submitting it
to the company.
761
00:42:44,795 --> 00:42:48,925
Being a negotiator requires
a lot of different skills,
762
00:42:48,999 --> 00:42:52,526
especially in an industry that's
in turmoil, like this one.
763
00:42:52,602 --> 00:42:55,537
Nobody likes to have their wages
and benefits rolled back.
764
00:42:55,605 --> 00:42:59,200
And it's unconscionable
to put out this proposal
765
00:42:59,276 --> 00:43:02,006
after all the concessions
these workers made.
766
00:43:02,078 --> 00:43:03,477
What's your reaction?
767
00:43:03,547 --> 00:43:06,277
- What's next?
- No further comments on that.
768
00:43:09,186 --> 00:43:12,155
LEWIE: All I can do is take
a peek at their vaults
769
00:43:12,222 --> 00:43:13,280
and see if there's any money.
770
00:43:13,356 --> 00:43:14,755
If there is,
we all run in there,
771
00:43:14,825 --> 00:43:19,285
we grab as much of it as we can,
and we get the hell out.
772
00:43:19,362 --> 00:43:21,990
Negotiations have broke off.
773
00:43:22,065 --> 00:43:24,158
There are no further meetings
scheduled.
774
00:43:24,234 --> 00:43:26,225
LEWIE: That's pure,
unadulterated bullshit!
775
00:43:26,303 --> 00:43:28,737
What's holding up
a contract settlement
776
00:43:28,805 --> 00:43:31,535
is that these bastards
won't give you a decent wage!
777
00:43:31,608 --> 00:43:33,508
That's what holding up
the settlement!
778
00:43:33,577 --> 00:43:36,171
Send your bargaining committee
to Chicago
779
00:43:36,246 --> 00:43:38,840
with a vote of confidence
that supports them
780
00:43:38,915 --> 00:43:40,883
and tells the company
to stick their proposal
781
00:43:40,951 --> 00:43:43,852
where the sun don't shine
and give us a decent contract!
782
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,353
Thank you very much.
783
00:43:45,422 --> 00:43:47,856
JIM: Sometimes you have to
fire the people up
784
00:43:47,924 --> 00:43:49,858
to send a clear message
to management
785
00:43:49,926 --> 00:43:53,020
that the workers
are really ticked off.
786
00:43:53,096 --> 00:43:55,530
That they not only want
what's right,
787
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:58,591
they want
more than what's right.
788
00:43:58,668 --> 00:44:02,126
You better be prepared to give
a lot back that was taken away!
789
00:44:02,205 --> 00:44:04,799
Or you four can start looking
for another job!
790
00:44:04,875 --> 00:44:06,274
You want to come back
to these meetings?
791
00:44:06,343 --> 00:44:09,471
I worked out in that plant,
and I busted my ass for you
792
00:44:09,546 --> 00:44:11,480
for over 18 years on production.
793
00:44:11,548 --> 00:44:13,641
All of a sudden,
you put the hammer down,
794
00:44:13,717 --> 00:44:15,651
and we go from our $10.69
795
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,780
down to $6.50 to walk back
in that plant on a Monday.
796
00:44:19,856 --> 00:44:23,758
You want to come back?
You keep your mouth shut, okay?
797
00:44:23,827 --> 00:44:25,920
You don't know
what you're talking about!
798
00:44:25,996 --> 00:44:27,361
I won't take it anymore!
799
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:30,194
I won't have the courtesy
of letting you ask questions.
800
00:44:30,267 --> 00:44:32,929
I'll walk out the next time
you open your mouth.
801
00:44:43,813 --> 00:44:48,375
LEWIE: The more that the
membership seems unreasonable,
802
00:44:48,451 --> 00:44:51,682
the more the bargaining
committee seems unreasonable,
803
00:44:51,755 --> 00:44:53,279
the tougher they are...
804
00:44:54,624 --> 00:44:55,818
Hello.
805
00:44:55,892 --> 00:44:58,360
LEWIE: The more the employer
has to rely on you
806
00:44:58,428 --> 00:45:02,626
as the negotiator, because
you're the one, supposedly,
807
00:45:02,699 --> 00:45:05,361
that has to make
common sense prevail.
808
00:45:05,435 --> 00:45:07,960
I'd like to carve out
numbers one and two
809
00:45:08,038 --> 00:45:09,801
and continue to talk with you
810
00:45:09,873 --> 00:45:11,170
to see if there's
something we can do,
811
00:45:11,241 --> 00:45:12,640
but I haven't come up
with anything.
812
00:45:12,709 --> 00:45:15,200
LEWIE: You only do that once you
have extracted the maximum
813
00:45:15,278 --> 00:45:17,041
from that employer.
814
00:45:19,883 --> 00:45:22,511
And then you let
the membership decide.
815
00:45:22,585 --> 00:45:24,644
[ Crowd booing ]
816
00:45:31,895 --> 00:45:34,022
They stole my check!
817
00:45:35,432 --> 00:45:38,162
LEWIE: That's a danger
when you fire the troops up,
818
00:45:38,234 --> 00:45:40,759
is that you get
their expectations so high
819
00:45:40,837 --> 00:45:43,533
and they believe those
expectations can be met.
820
00:45:43,606 --> 00:45:44,538
If you don't meet them,
821
00:45:44,607 --> 00:45:46,666
they believe
you haven't done your job
822
00:45:46,743 --> 00:45:48,734
and may believe
you sold them out.
823
00:45:48,812 --> 00:45:51,178
We can't afford
to go backwards anymore.
824
00:45:51,247 --> 00:45:53,010
We've went back far enough.
825
00:45:53,083 --> 00:45:55,017
We work too goddamn hard
down there
826
00:45:55,085 --> 00:45:57,383
to have to go backwards anymore.
827
00:45:57,454 --> 00:45:58,512
I say, "Fuck them."
828
00:45:58,588 --> 00:46:01,352
If they want to close it down,
let them close it.
829
00:46:01,424 --> 00:46:03,255
We can all find something else.
830
00:46:03,326 --> 00:46:04,725
We're decent human beings,
831
00:46:04,794 --> 00:46:07,126
and we deserve
every damn thing we get.
832
00:46:07,197 --> 00:46:09,290
LEWIE:
If you take workers who feel
833
00:46:09,366 --> 00:46:13,166
that they're
been mistreated or misused,
834
00:46:13,236 --> 00:46:15,136
they want to get
at the heart of the matter.
835
00:46:15,205 --> 00:46:17,173
They want to get
to that employer.
836
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:18,969
It's their obligation
to give it to us.
837
00:46:19,042 --> 00:46:22,671
If they don't want to,
then piss on them. Let them go.
838
00:46:28,885 --> 00:46:32,651
Look, between both of you,
you want a strike.
839
00:46:32,722 --> 00:46:34,986
You keep snapping
at everything for one.
840
00:46:35,058 --> 00:46:37,993
- lf you want one.
- MAN: Some results, Lewie.
841
00:46:38,061 --> 00:46:39,551
You think it's us?
842
00:46:39,629 --> 00:46:43,292
I can't deliver, and I don't
intend to carry this on.
843
00:46:43,366 --> 00:46:46,665
I can't deliver something
that's not there at this time.
844
00:46:46,736 --> 00:46:50,331
I've been banging around.
845
00:46:50,407 --> 00:46:54,002
Quit looking for somebody to run
in with a fucking white horse!
846
00:46:54,077 --> 00:46:57,638
You don't even know
what negotiations is all about,
847
00:46:57,714 --> 00:46:59,682
and you act like
you know everything!
848
00:46:59,749 --> 00:47:03,378
I did not come here and act
like I know everything, Lewie!
849
00:47:03,453 --> 00:47:06,251
Our members are asking
for some answers, Lewie!
850
00:47:06,322 --> 00:47:08,085
Give your members some answers!
851
00:47:08,158 --> 00:47:10,285
Don't lay the shit on me!
852
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,227
The easiest goddamn thing
to do is blame somebody
853
00:47:13,296 --> 00:47:15,764
for the problem you're in!
854
00:47:15,832 --> 00:47:18,960
We didn't blame you for
the problem we're in.
855
00:47:19,035 --> 00:47:22,163
LEWIE: The biggest and most
powerful threat that you have
856
00:47:22,238 --> 00:47:24,706
is the threat of a strike.
857
00:47:24,774 --> 00:47:28,301
When you actually
have to use the strike,
858
00:47:28,378 --> 00:47:31,575
then you are going into
an all-out war.
859
00:47:31,648 --> 00:47:33,980
And you have to pick
your fights.
860
00:47:34,050 --> 00:47:37,281
If I get emotional.
I seem tired about this.
861
00:47:37,353 --> 00:47:41,483
This is not jerk-off time.
This is serious business.
862
00:47:41,558 --> 00:47:44,550
You better be able
to inflict some economic damage
863
00:47:44,627 --> 00:47:45,594
on that employer.
864
00:47:45,662 --> 00:47:48,096
If you cannot get
into his pockets
865
00:47:48,164 --> 00:47:52,362
and take a lot of money out
and make the employer understand
866
00:47:52,435 --> 00:47:55,734
that it's better to settle
than it is to fight,
867
00:47:55,805 --> 00:47:58,740
then the employer
will crush you.
868
00:48:18,028 --> 00:48:21,122
Hormel's production
has not been stopped.
869
00:48:24,034 --> 00:48:26,969
The company shifted production
to their other plants
870
00:48:27,037 --> 00:48:29,267
that are still in operation.
871
00:48:39,717 --> 00:48:42,811
In Austin, they are using
their own management personnel
872
00:48:42,887 --> 00:48:46,584
to turn out thousands
of cans of Spam a day.
873
00:49:01,038 --> 00:49:03,871
MAN: It's got to be
blatantly obvious to everyone
874
00:49:03,941 --> 00:49:06,307
that this company
doesn't want a contract.
875
00:49:06,377 --> 00:49:08,174
MAN #2:
We're at the crossroads.
876
00:49:08,245 --> 00:49:09,405
JIM:
I want to win.
877
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,210
MAN: I don't think there's a guy
who don't want to win.
878
00:49:12,283 --> 00:49:16,185
That's no excuse for doing
something you shouldn't.
879
00:49:16,253 --> 00:49:17,515
All I'm saying is,
880
00:49:17,588 --> 00:49:21,046
whatever it takes to win,
I want to do it.
881
00:49:23,093 --> 00:49:25,254
LEWIE: That, potentially,
is a time bomb
882
00:49:25,329 --> 00:49:27,854
that can blow up
in all of our faces.
883
00:49:27,932 --> 00:49:30,230
The company is gonna end up
forcing a settlement
884
00:49:30,301 --> 00:49:31,791
on those people out there.
885
00:49:31,869 --> 00:49:34,497
That is gonna be way under
the Hormel chain settlement
886
00:49:34,572 --> 00:49:36,904
and under the Oscar Mayer
settlement.
887
00:49:36,974 --> 00:49:40,341
Here you're gonna have this
big company, very profitable,
888
00:49:40,411 --> 00:49:42,402
that has got
a substandard agreement
889
00:49:42,479 --> 00:49:46,176
that's gonna tear the shit out
of our rates in the industry.
890
00:49:46,250 --> 00:49:47,842
We are gonna negotiate shit
891
00:49:47,918 --> 00:49:50,853
if they get stuck
with a bad settlement up there.
892
00:49:54,191 --> 00:49:55,818
MAN:
You people are believing
893
00:49:55,893 --> 00:49:58,987
that we've got the power
to get them to the table.
894
00:49:59,563 --> 00:50:01,292
It is my assessment
895
00:50:01,365 --> 00:50:04,357
that the reason
that we have been unsuccessful,
896
00:50:04,435 --> 00:50:07,996
the reason that our strategy
hasn't worked,
897
00:50:08,072 --> 00:50:11,473
the reason that we've gone
to a 4-1/2-month strike,
898
00:50:11,542 --> 00:50:13,669
is simply that very issue.
899
00:50:13,744 --> 00:50:15,735
We don't have the strength
to get them there.
900
00:50:15,813 --> 00:50:19,305
The division that some
have tried to create here
901
00:50:19,383 --> 00:50:21,146
has been to our downfall.
902
00:50:21,218 --> 00:50:24,312
And I just wish that we could
act concerted.
903
00:50:24,388 --> 00:50:28,290
The fact is, I think
we all realize right now
904
00:50:28,359 --> 00:50:32,420
the company is in a very solid
and very legal position
905
00:50:32,496 --> 00:50:34,930
to start that packinghouse up
without us
906
00:50:34,999 --> 00:50:37,331
if we don't go back to work.
907
00:50:37,401 --> 00:50:41,701
Now, I think that the rank
and file here has been misled
908
00:50:41,772 --> 00:50:44,104
in understanding
this company's position.
909
00:50:44,174 --> 00:50:49,476
The problem is, Jim, the company
isn't gonna talk to you, period.
910
00:50:49,546 --> 00:50:51,514
They've got a grudge
against you.
911
00:50:51,582 --> 00:50:53,049
You probably
got a grudge against them.
912
00:50:53,117 --> 00:50:57,850
And I don't care if we offer
to go back for 5 bucks an hour.
913
00:50:57,921 --> 00:50:59,479
The company
ain't gonna talk to you.
914
00:50:59,556 --> 00:51:01,683
Why don't you talk to them?
915
00:51:01,759 --> 00:51:05,251
Because I'm not part of the
negotiating board. That's why.
916
00:51:05,329 --> 00:51:06,921
WOMAN:
You're out of order!
917
00:51:06,997 --> 00:51:10,660
Hey, you can rule me
out of order all you want.
918
00:51:10,734 --> 00:51:12,463
I'm gonna tell you one thing.
919
00:51:12,536 --> 00:51:14,128
Rule me out of order
all you want.
920
00:51:14,204 --> 00:51:16,001
JIM:
Security?
921
00:51:16,073 --> 00:51:18,041
Did you call 911?
922
00:51:18,108 --> 00:51:21,134
Get them in here.
Get them in here.
923
00:51:27,384 --> 00:51:29,648
MAN:
Will you sit down?
924
00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:32,689
What the hell
is the matter with you?
925
00:51:32,756 --> 00:51:35,088
Back off, you guys!
926
00:51:35,159 --> 00:51:37,627
I relent!
927
00:51:37,695 --> 00:51:39,287
If you have come to fight
928
00:51:39,363 --> 00:51:41,661
and not get any damn answers,
continue!
929
00:51:41,732 --> 00:51:44,166
Otherwise, sit down!
930
00:51:45,569 --> 00:51:48,003
It's a union meeting!
931
00:51:48,072 --> 00:51:50,666
We have said
until we're blue in the face.
932
00:51:50,741 --> 00:51:52,766
I don't know
how we say it again.
933
00:51:52,843 --> 00:51:55,209
We have gone as far
as we're going to go.
934
00:51:55,279 --> 00:51:57,042
If you want
to go into negotiations
935
00:51:57,114 --> 00:52:00,208
and that means you're going
to get more and more, no.
936
00:52:00,284 --> 00:52:03,014
We're not going to give
any more.
937
00:52:03,087 --> 00:52:05,180
10 bucks.
938
00:52:05,255 --> 00:52:07,348
They don't even want
to talk about it anymore?
939
00:52:07,424 --> 00:52:09,517
- Nope.
- Other than asking questions.
940
00:52:09,593 --> 00:52:11,561
Yep.
941
00:52:11,628 --> 00:52:13,755
There's no bargaining
whatsoever?
942
00:52:15,699 --> 00:52:18,896
You think you're winning.
I don't think you're winning.
943
00:52:18,969 --> 00:52:21,995
The company, I don't think,
thinks you're winning.
944
00:52:22,072 --> 00:52:25,371
You're at war, they're at war,
and they're not giving in.
945
00:52:41,759 --> 00:52:46,594
The contract that you work under
is your decision alone.
946
00:52:46,663 --> 00:52:50,099
The Executive Board
has recommended rejection.
947
00:52:51,735 --> 00:52:55,671
I have a family like you have.
948
00:52:55,739 --> 00:52:58,207
And I want to be able
to say to them,
949
00:52:58,275 --> 00:52:59,936
as Hubert Humphrey said,
950
00:53:00,010 --> 00:53:02,604
"I'd rather live 50 years
like a tiger
951
00:53:02,679 --> 00:53:05,580
than 100 years like a chicken. "
952
00:53:32,508 --> 00:53:36,274
NYBERG: We've got a $100 million
plant that needs to be run.
953
00:53:36,346 --> 00:53:38,473
We're taking applications
tomorrow
954
00:53:38,548 --> 00:53:41,449
from people that want
to work in that plant.
955
00:53:41,517 --> 00:53:43,246
And if Local P-9 says,
956
00:53:43,319 --> 00:53:46,186
"We are going to continue
to withhold our labor,"
957
00:53:46,255 --> 00:53:48,348
now the process is underway.
958
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,988
The union will have rights
to their jobs
959
00:53:53,062 --> 00:53:55,622
until they've been
permanently replaced.
960
00:54:19,756 --> 00:54:21,781
No bills today.
961
00:54:29,766 --> 00:54:34,100
When you got a place like this,
we got 4-3/4 acres and house
962
00:54:34,170 --> 00:54:35,797
and lived here seven years.
963
00:54:35,872 --> 00:54:40,275
And payments are, you know, a
couple hundred dollars a month.
964
00:54:40,343 --> 00:54:43,676
I got a wife and three kids,
and I love them.
965
00:54:44,547 --> 00:54:46,742
They'll understand later.
966
00:54:46,816 --> 00:54:50,343
If it comes down to losing
this place, we'll survive,
967
00:54:50,420 --> 00:54:52,684
just like a lot of people.
968
00:54:53,389 --> 00:54:54,981
I got to give R.J. credit.
969
00:54:55,058 --> 00:54:58,516
At least he made a stand,
you know.
970
00:54:58,594 --> 00:55:02,257
He put himself
on one side or the other.
971
00:55:02,331 --> 00:55:05,698
I'm on the side that's commonly
referred to as the P-10ers.
972
00:55:05,768 --> 00:55:07,235
That was my choice.
973
00:55:07,303 --> 00:55:12,468
R.J. decided he wanted to follow
Ray Rogers and Jim Guyette.
974
00:55:12,542 --> 00:55:15,067
It's a hard decision
to make for some people,
975
00:55:15,144 --> 00:55:18,739
but it wasn't for me
when we took that strike vote.
976
00:55:18,815 --> 00:55:21,613
Go out there
and be willing to give up things
977
00:55:21,684 --> 00:55:24,312
and make things better
for us workers
978
00:55:24,387 --> 00:55:27,322
and workers around the
United States, union people.
979
00:55:27,390 --> 00:55:29,585
We're tired of going backwards.
980
00:55:30,460 --> 00:55:33,691
But then you have to look
at the rest of the economy.
981
00:55:33,763 --> 00:55:36,391
Throughout the nation,
that's what's happening.
982
00:55:36,466 --> 00:55:39,230
And I guess
maybe you have to swallow hard,
983
00:55:39,302 --> 00:55:41,896
but if you want a job...
984
00:55:45,241 --> 00:55:48,642
You're gonna have to take it,
I guess, a little bit.
985
00:55:50,713 --> 00:55:54,376
NARRATOR: So, are you having
problems with your brother?
986
00:55:54,450 --> 00:55:57,112
Oh, I won't have
any problems, really,
987
00:55:57,186 --> 00:56:00,849
until he crosses that line,
to scab.
988
00:56:02,158 --> 00:56:03,591
There's nothing worse
than a scab,
989
00:56:03,659 --> 00:56:06,389
so how can you have anything
to do with a scab?
990
00:56:06,462 --> 00:56:10,421
You guys have been giving in
and giving in for 23 years.
991
00:56:11,434 --> 00:56:14,426
And we got unions all over
the country watching us,
992
00:56:14,504 --> 00:56:15,766
counting on us.
993
00:56:15,838 --> 00:56:17,931
People are counting on us.
994
00:56:18,007 --> 00:56:19,099
RON:
To hell with them.
995
00:56:19,175 --> 00:56:22,576
You know, we got
1,400 workers here.
996
00:56:22,645 --> 00:56:26,411
We got thousands of people
counting on us
997
00:56:26,482 --> 00:56:29,349
And sending in money, you know.
998
00:56:29,418 --> 00:56:31,318
But it's our job.
It's not theirs.
999
00:56:31,387 --> 00:56:33,981
We knew this strike was coming.
1000
00:56:34,056 --> 00:56:36,081
We should've avoided it.
1001
00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:37,456
They didn't want to talk.
1002
00:56:37,527 --> 00:56:41,054
The International said,
"It's ill-advised.
1003
00:56:41,130 --> 00:56:42,791
You're on a suicide mission."
1004
00:56:42,865 --> 00:56:44,457
They told us that.
1005
00:57:18,701 --> 00:57:21,261
MAN: So far, I think
I've seen about five.
1006
00:57:21,337 --> 00:57:23,931
Let's see one, two...
1007
00:57:24,006 --> 00:57:25,496
Three, four...
1008
00:57:27,677 --> 00:57:30,805
Five, six...
1009
00:57:32,481 --> 00:57:34,472
I think I've seen seven.
1010
00:57:40,223 --> 00:57:42,088
I had to come today.
1011
00:57:43,259 --> 00:57:44,817
I had to know what
it'd be like to see people
1012
00:57:44,894 --> 00:57:48,091
coming into the place that
I spent my whole life in,
1013
00:57:48,164 --> 00:57:50,155
going in and doing my job.
1014
00:57:51,367 --> 00:57:54,825
It's really, really hard
to watch this happen.
1015
00:58:10,153 --> 00:58:13,611
I'm never gonna let myself get
in a position like this again,
1016
00:58:13,689 --> 00:58:16,556
where a group of
a minority of assholes
1017
00:58:16,626 --> 00:58:19,356
dictate how I handle
the rest of my life.
1018
00:58:19,429 --> 00:58:21,363
Sometimes ignorance is bliss.
1019
00:58:21,431 --> 00:58:23,592
I'll tell you
there will be no blocking
1020
00:58:23,666 --> 00:58:25,258
of the ingress and egress
of that plant.
1021
00:58:25,334 --> 00:58:27,359
That plant will operate.
1022
00:58:27,437 --> 00:58:30,895
The state police will come down
on them and crush them.
1023
00:58:30,973 --> 00:58:33,441
You can't win that fight there.
1024
00:58:33,509 --> 00:58:34,999
If the police can't do it,
1025
00:58:35,077 --> 00:58:37,671
then they'll bring
the National Guard in.
1026
00:58:37,747 --> 00:58:40,614
That will demoralize
the piss out of them.
1027
00:58:40,683 --> 00:58:41,843
They'll be standing there,
1028
00:58:41,918 --> 00:58:44,614
3 people every 50 feet
with their dick in their hands,
1029
00:58:44,687 --> 00:58:46,484
watching people take their jobs.
1030
00:58:46,556 --> 00:58:48,786
Now, that is very demoralizing.
1031
00:58:48,858 --> 00:58:50,291
[ Laughter ]
1032
00:58:50,359 --> 00:58:51,621
All right!
1033
00:58:51,694 --> 00:58:55,130
Look, you got to do it
and be effective.
1034
00:58:55,198 --> 00:58:56,893
MAN:
I'd like to know how many people
1035
00:58:56,966 --> 00:58:59,127
think they could get up
at 3:30, 4:00,
1036
00:58:59,202 --> 00:59:02,433
whenever the traffic comes in,
and do it.
1037
00:59:02,505 --> 00:59:03,802
I'm ready right now.
1038
00:59:03,873 --> 00:59:07,809
All right, then let's do it
Friday morning!
1039
00:59:07,877 --> 00:59:08,639
Let's do it!
1040
00:59:08,711 --> 00:59:11,236
Then we'll see you
at 4:00 in the morning!
1041
00:59:11,314 --> 00:59:13,282
[ Cheers and applause ]
1042
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:15,340
[ Car horns honking ]
1043
00:59:22,191 --> 00:59:25,592
MAN ON RADIO: We might mention,
if you are driving in the area,
1044
00:59:25,661 --> 00:59:28,721
you will be diverted
away from the plant, westbound.
1045
00:59:28,798 --> 00:59:31,665
If you're moving up the east
side of the Hormel plant,
1046
00:59:31,734 --> 00:59:36,467
you will be asked to turn
your car around and go back.
1047
00:59:36,539 --> 00:59:38,973
MAN #2: We just heard from the
Austin Law Enforcement Center
1048
00:59:39,041 --> 00:59:43,068
that all the roads surrounding
the Hormel company itself
1049
00:59:43,145 --> 00:59:44,442
have been blocked off.
1050
00:59:44,514 --> 00:59:48,143
MAN #3: We'll get further
reports, Dan-o. Thank you.
1051
00:59:48,217 --> 00:59:50,811
One thing we should probably
tell everybody.
1052
00:59:50,887 --> 00:59:55,119
If the police ask who's in
charge, nobody's in charge.
1053
00:59:55,191 --> 00:59:56,283
Nobody's in charge.
1054
00:59:56,359 --> 00:59:57,792
No one's in charge!
1055
00:59:57,860 --> 00:59:59,987
It's cold out today.
God!
1056
01:00:00,062 --> 01:00:02,826
There's gonna be a lot of cars
that's gonna freeze up.
1057
01:00:02,899 --> 01:00:06,960
If anybody comes, the police
come and ask who's in charge,
1058
01:00:07,036 --> 01:00:09,163
there's no one in charge!
1059
01:00:09,238 --> 01:00:12,503
There just happens to be
a breakdown and a traffic jam.
1060
01:00:12,575 --> 01:00:14,770
So there's nobody
in charge here!
1061
01:00:14,844 --> 01:00:18,177
MAN: If there's any interference
with our police duties,
1062
01:00:18,247 --> 01:00:20,772
we do not want to make arrests.
1063
01:00:24,887 --> 01:00:27,651
WOMAN: I lost eight hours' pay
today because of that.
1064
01:00:27,723 --> 01:00:30,487
[ Crowd groaning ]
1065
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,790
And while that might
not seem like a lot
1066
01:00:32,862 --> 01:00:35,854
to the P-9 members who have been
on strike for 5 months,
1067
01:00:35,932 --> 01:00:38,662
it wasn't a thing
I chose to do without.
1068
01:00:38,734 --> 01:00:41,100
I have every right
to go in and do my job,
1069
01:00:41,170 --> 01:00:43,570
just as they have
every right to picket.
1070
01:00:43,639 --> 01:00:46,369
Mr. Mayor, this isn't
a hostage situation.
1071
01:00:46,442 --> 01:00:49,707
This isn't Tehran, Iran.
This is Austin, Minnesota.
1072
01:00:49,779 --> 01:00:53,715
They told us
that they would not let us in.
1073
01:00:53,783 --> 01:00:56,251
That is a lockout!
1074
01:00:57,620 --> 01:00:58,678
Don't be mad at us.
1075
01:00:58,754 --> 01:01:01,587
Blame it on the people
causing the problem.
1076
01:01:01,657 --> 01:01:02,817
That's across the tracks.
1077
01:01:02,892 --> 01:01:04,826
It's them that put you
in this position,
1078
01:01:04,894 --> 01:01:07,226
because they put us
in this position.
1079
01:01:07,296 --> 01:01:10,163
We don't know who's going in
there to do what, so to stop it,
1080
01:01:10,232 --> 01:01:11,824
we had to stop everybody
that goes in that plant.
1081
01:01:11,901 --> 01:01:13,630
We had to close it down.
1082
01:01:13,703 --> 01:01:16,365
I don't want to merit
right or wrong.
1083
01:01:16,439 --> 01:01:18,999
I'm not gonna pick sides.
1084
01:01:19,075 --> 01:01:20,235
But I got a question.
1085
01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:22,004
Is what the company's doing...
1086
01:01:22,078 --> 01:01:24,672
I don't want
to discuss moralities.
1087
01:01:24,747 --> 01:01:26,578
Is what the company doing legal?
1088
01:01:26,649 --> 01:01:29,243
They're not out there because
they like to holler
1089
01:01:29,318 --> 01:01:31,616
and fight and
they want to kill somebody.
1090
01:01:31,687 --> 01:01:33,848
They're out
'cause they want a contract
1091
01:01:33,923 --> 01:01:35,515
where they can go to work.
1092
01:01:35,591 --> 01:01:37,183
We want to work.
1093
01:01:38,594 --> 01:01:40,687
This is a tragedy for all of us.
1094
01:01:40,763 --> 01:01:42,321
I was born and raised here.
1095
01:01:42,398 --> 01:01:45,856
Members of my family
that are buried here.
1096
01:01:45,935 --> 01:01:48,495
These people are my friends
on all sides of this issue.
1097
01:01:48,571 --> 01:01:50,368
I've graduated
from high school with them.
1098
01:01:50,439 --> 01:01:52,907
I went to college
with some of these people.
1099
01:01:52,975 --> 01:01:54,533
This isn't
some impersonal thing.
1100
01:01:54,610 --> 01:01:57,511
We're personally involved
whether we want to be or not.
1101
01:01:57,580 --> 01:02:01,107
We would do anything in our
power to try to resolve this.
1102
01:02:01,183 --> 01:02:02,616
It's a difficult situation
1103
01:02:02,685 --> 01:02:05,153
for both Chief Hoffman and I
to deal with.
1104
01:02:05,221 --> 01:02:08,213
I can't tell you what it's like.
It's tearing us up.
1105
01:02:45,928 --> 01:02:47,862
MAN:
Left! Left!
1106
01:02:47,930 --> 01:02:49,693
Left, right, left!
1107
01:02:49,765 --> 01:02:51,357
Left! Left!
1108
01:02:51,434 --> 01:02:53,698
Left, right, left!
1109
01:03:03,379 --> 01:03:05,142
Minnesota governor
Rudy Perpich
1110
01:03:05,214 --> 01:03:07,648
called the National Guard,
trying to help maintain order,
1111
01:03:07,717 --> 01:03:10,777
as striking union meatpackers
and their supporters
1112
01:03:10,853 --> 01:03:14,619
blockaded the Hormel plant
in Austin, Minnesota.
1113
01:03:15,191 --> 01:03:19,491
- Hey, your clubs are cracked!
- Holy shit! Look at them go!
1114
01:03:20,796 --> 01:03:22,093
Behind the barricades.
1115
01:03:22,164 --> 01:03:24,997
MAN: I don't know if you know,
but this is your community,
1116
01:03:25,067 --> 01:03:27,501
not two or three of them
greedy executives!
1117
01:03:27,570 --> 01:03:31,301
What the hell's the matter
with you? Shut it down!
1118
01:03:32,908 --> 01:03:34,341
Shut her down!
1119
01:03:34,410 --> 01:03:36,674
I want, no matter what happens,
1120
01:03:36,746 --> 01:03:40,614
if anybody gets hit,
if anybody gets hit,
1121
01:03:40,683 --> 01:03:43,083
you simply try
to identify who it is,
1122
01:03:43,152 --> 01:03:45,086
but get back to that hall!
1123
01:03:46,088 --> 01:03:48,522
Wait a minute.
You see what they got here?
1124
01:03:48,591 --> 01:03:50,183
There ain't no way
you got a chance
1125
01:03:50,259 --> 01:03:52,784
on dealing with those clubs!
1126
01:03:52,862 --> 01:03:55,387
So you better think rationally!
1127
01:03:55,464 --> 01:03:59,264
I don't want to see you in
a fight with the National Guard!
1128
01:04:01,036 --> 01:04:03,300
Okay, remember,
if anybody moves on you,
1129
01:04:03,372 --> 01:04:05,363
just go back to the office.
1130
01:04:16,152 --> 01:04:18,950
There's varying opinions
from everyone here
1131
01:04:19,021 --> 01:04:22,149
as to how many people
are gonna cross the line.
1132
01:04:22,224 --> 01:04:27,025
But it sounds as though
1133
01:04:27,096 --> 01:04:30,293
you're gonna have
a stampede situation.
1134
01:04:30,366 --> 01:04:33,335
If what everybody
is reflecting is accurate.
1135
01:04:33,402 --> 01:04:35,393
MAN:
Let's get our people
1136
01:04:35,471 --> 01:04:38,599
and tell 'em the straight shot,
like they deserve.
1137
01:04:38,674 --> 01:04:41,973
We got lots of folks that
are gonna go in there tomorrow
1138
01:04:42,044 --> 01:04:45,536
because the Guard's gonna
let everybody in.
1139
01:04:45,614 --> 01:04:47,980
So let's all
go back in tomorrow.
1140
01:04:48,584 --> 01:04:51,849
I don't think there's gonna be
that many going in tomorrow.
1141
01:04:51,921 --> 01:04:53,786
I don't think
we've shown our last shot.
1142
01:04:53,856 --> 01:04:55,255
I'm not ready to give up.
1143
01:04:55,324 --> 01:04:57,019
- No.
- Shit, not me.
1144
01:04:57,092 --> 01:04:58,525
I got some real problems
1145
01:04:58,594 --> 01:05:02,052
because I can see tomorrow
and you guys can't.
1146
01:05:02,131 --> 01:05:05,498
But, boy,
that's what makes me sick.
1147
01:05:05,568 --> 01:05:07,399
Go home and take
a couple aspirin.
1148
01:05:07,469 --> 01:05:09,061
You'll feel better
in the morning.
1149
01:05:09,138 --> 01:05:11,902
Jesus Christ,
I won't feel a bit better.
1150
01:05:14,343 --> 01:05:16,811
Left, left, right, left.
1151
01:05:16,879 --> 01:05:20,246
I've been out of work
for six years. I need a job.
1152
01:05:20,316 --> 01:05:21,977
NARRATOR:
How have you been getting by?
1153
01:05:22,051 --> 01:05:23,609
Just doing odd jobs.
1154
01:05:23,686 --> 01:05:26,883
Must be hard. You ever worked
in a packinghouse?
1155
01:05:26,956 --> 01:05:28,423
No.
1156
01:05:28,490 --> 01:05:30,355
- Where are you from?
- McIntyre.
1157
01:05:30,426 --> 01:05:33,259
- How'd you hear about it?
- Been on the news.
1158
01:05:33,329 --> 01:05:35,524
I got neighbors that work here.
1159
01:05:35,598 --> 01:05:38,226
Does it feel hard to go
across the picket line?
1160
01:05:38,300 --> 01:05:39,699
No.
1161
01:05:40,269 --> 01:05:42,737
- Scab!
- Hey, you lowlife!
1162
01:05:43,706 --> 01:05:46,197
When you go across that line,
that's your decision.
1163
01:05:46,275 --> 01:05:49,142
You just don't let it
bother you.
1164
01:05:49,211 --> 01:05:50,610
You'd better be able
to stand it,
1165
01:05:50,679 --> 01:05:53,239
or you should have
never went across.
1166
01:05:55,184 --> 01:05:56,708
NARRATOR:
Why are you doing this?
1167
01:05:56,785 --> 01:05:58,047
Because I need a job.
1168
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,247
When was the last time
you worked?
1169
01:06:00,322 --> 01:06:03,189
Oh, last spring.
1170
01:06:03,259 --> 01:06:04,954
- Where are you from?
- Austin.
1171
01:06:05,027 --> 01:06:06,221
Okay.
1172
01:06:10,132 --> 01:06:12,623
You're crossing a picket line!
1173
01:06:12,701 --> 01:06:14,931
You're a scab!
1174
01:06:17,172 --> 01:06:19,402
Hey, scab, go home!
1175
01:06:19,475 --> 01:06:21,033
Go home, scab!
1176
01:06:32,855 --> 01:06:36,882
JIM: Some people may be looking
for excuses to cross.
1177
01:06:36,959 --> 01:06:40,918
But remember that your
self-respect will be left behind
1178
01:06:40,996 --> 01:06:43,931
if anyone decides to cross
the picket line.
1179
01:06:43,999 --> 01:06:46,092
You know,
my family is starving.
1180
01:06:46,168 --> 01:06:49,660
I'm not getting a thing from
anybody other than $40 a week,
1181
01:06:49,738 --> 01:06:52,002
just like everybody else
in here.
1182
01:06:52,074 --> 01:06:53,439
I want my job,
1183
01:06:53,509 --> 01:06:57,001
just like everybody in here
wants their job.
1184
01:06:57,079 --> 01:06:59,673
I'm seriously considering
crossing.
1185
01:06:59,748 --> 01:07:01,272
I'd be a liar
if I said I wasn't.
1186
01:07:01,350 --> 01:07:02,612
Don't do it!
1187
01:07:02,685 --> 01:07:04,346
I didn't say I was.
1188
01:07:04,420 --> 01:07:06,047
I said I was considering.
1189
01:07:06,121 --> 01:07:08,351
What I'm saying is,
a lot of you people,
1190
01:07:08,424 --> 01:07:10,551
and you'd be liars
if you say you didn't,
1191
01:07:10,626 --> 01:07:12,423
haven't considered crossing.
1192
01:07:12,494 --> 01:07:14,121
Because we all need jobs.
1193
01:07:14,196 --> 01:07:17,461
What plan of action is
everybody here looking for?
1194
01:07:17,533 --> 01:07:20,400
I think we're all looking
for some plan of action.
1195
01:07:20,469 --> 01:07:22,869
Either we gotta
shut down every plant
1196
01:07:22,938 --> 01:07:24,769
that Hormel owns Monday morning.
1197
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,968
Or Tuesday or Wednesday
we might as well all go back
1198
01:07:28,043 --> 01:07:30,409
if we don't shut down
their goddamn plants
1199
01:07:30,479 --> 01:07:32,071
and shut 'em down fast.
1200
01:07:32,147 --> 01:07:36,413
I think that you guys can't keep
going and saying, "l agree."
1201
01:07:36,485 --> 01:07:39,716
The company says
they're not gonna meet.
1202
01:07:39,788 --> 01:07:41,551
The company says
they're not gonna give.
1203
01:07:41,624 --> 01:07:45,424
They're not gonna give Monday,
not Tuesday, not Wednesday.
1204
01:07:45,494 --> 01:07:48,759
And all that time,
you got some more guys going in,
1205
01:07:48,831 --> 01:07:51,493
and so what we're all saying is
1206
01:07:51,567 --> 01:07:53,967
you gotta either shut down
the other plants
1207
01:07:54,036 --> 01:07:56,163
or, like you said,
all go in en masse
1208
01:07:56,238 --> 01:07:57,967
and work without a contract.
1209
01:07:58,040 --> 01:07:59,974
But it's gotta be
one or the other.
1210
01:08:00,042 --> 01:08:01,566
It can't be dragged out
1211
01:08:01,644 --> 01:08:05,045
and waiting for the company
to give you something.
1212
01:08:05,114 --> 01:08:07,844
They told you they ain't
gonna give you anything else.
1213
01:08:13,455 --> 01:08:17,186
Now we're looking at shutting
the other operations down.
1214
01:08:17,259 --> 01:08:18,283
Don't you feel
1215
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:23,525
that that's a much more
pressurizing strategy
1216
01:08:23,599 --> 01:08:25,863
on this company at this time?
1217
01:08:25,934 --> 01:08:29,426
Especially in light of the fact
that those people know
1218
01:08:29,505 --> 01:08:32,599
that whatever happens here
is gonna happen to them.
1219
01:08:32,675 --> 01:08:34,472
We need to communicate that.
1220
01:08:34,543 --> 01:08:35,703
Mm-hmm.
1221
01:08:35,778 --> 01:08:39,179
Don't you think that that's
a better position to be into?
1222
01:08:39,248 --> 01:08:41,739
If you can't shut them down
completely,
1223
01:08:41,817 --> 01:08:42,943
you've accomplished nothing,
1224
01:08:43,018 --> 01:08:47,614
other than getting a whole lot
of people fired and out of work.
1225
01:08:47,690 --> 01:08:52,855
What I'm saying to you is,
at what cost are you prepared
1226
01:08:52,928 --> 01:08:55,829
to take roving pickets
to that plant?
1227
01:08:55,898 --> 01:08:57,559
What are you gonna
do when they say,
1228
01:08:57,633 --> 01:09:01,592
"You screwed me out of a job.
Now what are you gonna do?"
1229
01:09:01,670 --> 01:09:05,162
I'll say it. Hell, there's
nothing we can do for them.
1230
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:06,605
That's the risk we take.
1231
01:09:06,675 --> 01:09:08,040
Not we take.
They take.
1232
01:09:08,110 --> 01:09:09,771
Okay.
It's the risk they take.
1233
01:09:09,845 --> 01:09:11,779
We all take.
1234
01:09:11,847 --> 01:09:15,681
Yeah, we took it willingly,
and we took it to start with.
1235
01:09:15,751 --> 01:09:18,584
Now for our fight,
we're dragging them in.
1236
01:09:18,654 --> 01:09:21,350
JIM: When does the realization
come to those folks
1237
01:09:21,423 --> 01:09:24,187
that our fight
is indeed their fight?
1238
01:09:24,259 --> 01:09:27,660
When are we gonna do it
if we don't do it now?
1239
01:09:27,730 --> 01:09:29,891
Mr. Nyberg, what will Hormel do
1240
01:09:29,965 --> 01:09:33,594
if P-9 sets up picket lines
at your other plants?
1241
01:09:33,669 --> 01:09:36,229
Our employees know
that it is our position
1242
01:09:36,305 --> 01:09:39,274
that they'd be in violation
of the contracts
1243
01:09:39,341 --> 01:09:41,775
if they voluntarily stay out
1244
01:09:41,844 --> 01:09:43,709
and honor the picket line
of Local P-9
1245
01:09:43,779 --> 01:09:46,077
or however many pickets
there might be.
1246
01:09:46,148 --> 01:09:48,616
We know that if they do stay out
1247
01:09:48,684 --> 01:09:51,710
that they will be subject
to replacement
1248
01:09:51,787 --> 01:09:55,120
just as employees in Austin
are subject to replacement.
1249
01:09:57,659 --> 01:09:59,923
The Executive Board
of Local P-9
1250
01:09:59,995 --> 01:10:02,862
decided to recommend that
the picket line be extended
1251
01:10:02,931 --> 01:10:07,834
to all other Hormel plants in
an attempt to shut them down.
1252
01:10:07,903 --> 01:10:10,701
With that came the promise that
if anyone at the other plants
1253
01:10:10,773 --> 01:10:13,970
got fired for honoring
P-9's picket line,
1254
01:10:14,042 --> 01:10:16,408
no P-9ers
would return to their jobs
1255
01:10:16,478 --> 01:10:20,175
until the company agreed
to rehire everyone.
1256
01:10:21,583 --> 01:10:25,679
You know, when you talk
about being illegal,
1257
01:10:25,754 --> 01:10:30,748
at one time, it was illegal
to go out on strike.
1258
01:10:30,826 --> 01:10:34,694
At one time, it was illegal
to join a union.
1259
01:10:34,763 --> 01:10:36,094
I guess at one time,
1260
01:10:36,165 --> 01:10:39,965
it was illegal
for America to even exist.
1261
01:10:40,936 --> 01:10:44,337
The Executive Board
has passed a motion.
1262
01:10:44,406 --> 01:10:47,375
Roving pickets will be sent
to other plants.
1263
01:10:49,211 --> 01:10:54,080
If this is approved, it'll send
a message to the company,
1264
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:56,709
to everyone else.
1265
01:10:56,785 --> 01:10:58,946
We made a promise.
1266
01:10:59,021 --> 01:11:04,857
We swore we'd always remember.
No retreat, no surrender.
1267
01:11:06,595 --> 01:11:08,563
Speaking on the motion...
1268
01:11:10,165 --> 01:11:13,692
It's a unanimous
Executive Board recommendation.
1269
01:11:15,137 --> 01:11:18,106
All those in favor
signify by saying "aye."
1270
01:11:18,173 --> 01:11:20,573
CROWD:
Aye!
1271
01:11:20,642 --> 01:11:22,735
Those opposed.
1272
01:11:22,811 --> 01:11:24,278
Ayes have it.
1273
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,552
I repeat.
This is a union picket line.
1274
01:11:41,630 --> 01:11:44,690
We ask that you do not cross it.
1275
01:11:44,766 --> 01:11:47,963
Take the day off.
One damn day is all we ask.
1276
01:11:48,036 --> 01:11:52,200
All Hormel plants will be shut
up tight as a drum by Friday.
1277
01:11:52,274 --> 01:11:54,902
There will be none running,
to our knowledge.
1278
01:11:54,977 --> 01:11:56,638
We'd appreciate your support.
1279
01:11:56,712 --> 01:11:58,270
Go home and have
a cup of coffee.
1280
01:11:58,347 --> 01:12:01,976
Go talk to Ma and the kids
before they go to school.
1281
01:12:02,050 --> 01:12:04,280
MAN:
There's no way on God's creation
1282
01:12:04,353 --> 01:12:06,821
that I'm gonna cross
their picket line!
1283
01:12:10,025 --> 01:12:12,255
When I looked at a guy
I worked with for seven years.
1284
01:12:12,327 --> 01:12:15,819
I live in the same town he does,
22 miles up the road.
1285
01:12:15,898 --> 01:12:17,991
And I said to him,
"How do you feel?"
1286
01:12:18,066 --> 01:12:19,556
He said, "My heart's pumping."
1287
01:12:19,635 --> 01:12:21,762
I looked at another guy
I worked with for seven years.
1288
01:12:21,837 --> 01:12:25,170
I said, "How do you feel?"
He said, "My heart's pumping."
1289
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,708
I said, "Guess what?
You're union people."
1290
01:12:27,776 --> 01:12:30,506
We ain't crossing
no picket lines!
1291
01:12:30,579 --> 01:12:32,774
We ain't crossing them!
1292
01:12:46,862 --> 01:12:50,195
What miracle do we expect to
happen in the next three days?
1293
01:12:50,265 --> 01:12:52,096
That's the question.
1294
01:12:52,901 --> 01:12:56,268
What miracle?
How or why?
1295
01:12:56,338 --> 01:12:59,603
We have tremendous spirit,
we've got a wonderful program.
1296
01:12:59,674 --> 01:13:03,542
And we seem to think that
if we just go one day at a time,
1297
01:13:03,612 --> 01:13:04,670
like an alcoholic.
1298
01:13:04,746 --> 01:13:07,408
Just keep the strike going
one more day,
1299
01:13:07,482 --> 01:13:12,044
and after today's over,
it'll keep going tomorrow.
1300
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:15,419
What do we expect
is gonna happen?
1301
01:13:15,490 --> 01:13:17,253
I'm mystified.
1302
01:13:25,267 --> 01:13:26,427
Scabs!
1303
01:13:26,501 --> 01:13:28,992
Go back to your own town, scabs!
1304
01:13:29,070 --> 01:13:32,938
Asshole! Go to hell!
I hope you rot in hell!
1305
01:13:36,811 --> 01:13:39,211
You're the one
that really hurts, Steve.
1306
01:13:39,281 --> 01:13:41,374
All these other guys are dicks.
1307
01:13:41,449 --> 01:13:44,782
When you went across there,
you really hurt.
1308
01:13:44,853 --> 01:13:46,514
What the hell's
the matter with you?
1309
01:13:46,588 --> 01:13:48,488
How can you work
with those scabs?
1310
01:13:48,556 --> 01:13:52,083
Doesn't it bother you to go in
there with guys like that?
1311
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:53,525
Then you got no class.
1312
01:13:53,595 --> 01:13:55,358
I don't know you.
1313
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:56,897
Who's your smiley partner?
1314
01:13:56,965 --> 01:13:59,866
I've known that guy
since we were in grade school.
1315
01:14:03,772 --> 01:14:06,468
It's killing him inside.
He's told me that.
1316
01:14:06,541 --> 01:14:09,840
I tried to talk him out of it.
1317
01:14:09,911 --> 01:14:12,744
He said no.
It's what he had to do.
1318
01:14:14,115 --> 01:14:16,845
My wife and children
have been my backbone.
1319
01:14:16,918 --> 01:14:18,385
They've just.
"No way."
1320
01:14:18,453 --> 01:14:22,412
They knew in their minds
that if I did,
1321
01:14:22,490 --> 01:14:24,720
I couldn't live with myself.
1322
01:14:28,096 --> 01:14:30,621
RON: If things haven't changed
substantially
1323
01:14:30,699 --> 01:14:32,792
in two or three days,
1324
01:14:32,867 --> 01:14:36,735
I will base my decision
on the fact
1325
01:14:36,805 --> 01:14:39,865
that my family is number one
in my life, not my union.
1326
01:14:39,941 --> 01:14:42,808
NARRATOR: Are you gonna go
across the picket line?
1327
01:14:42,877 --> 01:14:44,811
So it appears it.
1328
01:14:44,879 --> 01:14:48,940
At this stage of the game,
well, it would be tough,
1329
01:14:49,017 --> 01:14:53,954
but I can't see any alternative.
1330
01:14:54,022 --> 01:14:57,185
Now that we've been working on
this for a year and a half
1331
01:14:57,258 --> 01:14:58,816
trying to figure out
the difference
1332
01:14:58,893 --> 01:15:00,360
between right and wrong,
1333
01:15:00,428 --> 01:15:03,556
I believe that I was a dupe,
I was lied to originally.
1334
01:15:03,631 --> 01:15:06,725
And now he's got control
of my whole life.
1335
01:15:06,801 --> 01:15:09,463
On the other hand,
it's a question of morality,
1336
01:15:09,537 --> 01:15:11,129
because I was brought up
1337
01:15:11,206 --> 01:15:13,834
that you do not cross a
picket line, no matter what.
1338
01:15:13,908 --> 01:15:15,808
It's something
that you do not do.
1339
01:15:15,877 --> 01:15:18,641
Because you don't belong
to a union all these years
1340
01:15:18,713 --> 01:15:20,738
and develop
all these principles.
1341
01:15:20,815 --> 01:15:22,942
It isn't like a dollar bill.
1342
01:15:23,018 --> 01:15:25,452
You can't throw it on the ground
and be rid of it.
1343
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,717
As much as I want my job back,
1344
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:32,590
I've still been a good
union member for many years.
1345
01:15:32,660 --> 01:15:35,390
But I don't know.
1346
01:15:35,463 --> 01:15:36,862
My family comes first.
1347
01:15:36,931 --> 01:15:39,957
My daughter goes to work.
She's got a part-time job.
1348
01:15:40,035 --> 01:15:43,004
My boy, he works at McDonald's,
part-time job.
1349
01:15:43,071 --> 01:15:45,733
My wife goes to work.
She's got a job.
1350
01:15:45,807 --> 01:15:49,106
And what do I do? I sit home,
and I play with the cat.
1351
01:15:49,177 --> 01:15:51,372
What kind of provider is that?
1352
01:15:51,446 --> 01:15:52,504
It may sound corny,
1353
01:15:52,580 --> 01:15:55,208
but a person takes pride
in being a breadwinner
1354
01:15:55,283 --> 01:15:58,047
and providing for your family.
1355
01:15:58,119 --> 01:15:59,416
When you can't do that,
1356
01:15:59,487 --> 01:16:02,251
when you say to them,
"All I want to do is work,"
1357
01:16:02,323 --> 01:16:04,518
and they...
1358
01:16:04,592 --> 01:16:05,820
It's tough.
1359
01:16:05,894 --> 01:16:11,696
But I spent more
than we should have.
1360
01:16:11,766 --> 01:16:15,133
But I want to go back to work.
1361
01:16:15,203 --> 01:16:18,536
And the hell with P-9.
1362
01:16:18,606 --> 01:16:21,097
I'm ready.
1363
01:16:21,176 --> 01:16:22,438
NARRATOR:
Is that hard for you?
1364
01:16:22,510 --> 01:16:23,442
You bet.
1365
01:16:23,511 --> 01:16:25,479
Why?
1366
01:16:25,547 --> 01:16:27,708
Not being able to -- excuse me.
1367
01:16:27,782 --> 01:16:30,216
[ Voice breaking ]
Provide for my family.
1368
01:16:30,285 --> 01:16:31,877
[ Crying ]
1369
01:16:38,293 --> 01:16:40,488
I just can't talk no more.
1370
01:18:00,041 --> 01:18:03,477
You're scared to see all them
people you've worked with.
1371
01:18:07,882 --> 01:18:10,783
All these people are standing
there hollering at you.
1372
01:18:10,852 --> 01:18:13,446
Yet, you know
you have to go across.
1373
01:18:15,857 --> 01:18:17,791
there's some in there,
you think,
1374
01:18:17,859 --> 01:18:20,453
"I don't care
if you ever come back."
1375
01:18:22,230 --> 01:18:24,323
You see people
you talk to every day,
1376
01:18:24,399 --> 01:18:26,264
and it almost makes you cry.
1377
01:18:26,334 --> 01:18:28,564
There are some good friends
of mine.
1378
01:18:35,476 --> 01:18:38,172
That's the ones
you feel like you're betraying.
1379
01:18:47,055 --> 01:18:48,647
- Where you guys going?
- To work.
1380
01:18:48,723 --> 01:18:51,590
- You got a pass for that?
- You want to see our cards?
1381
01:18:51,659 --> 01:18:54,059
Just Hormel cards?
You want to see them?
1382
01:18:54,128 --> 01:18:56,323
Yeah.
You new employees?
1383
01:18:56,397 --> 01:18:59,798
No, no. Not by any stretch
of the imagination.
1384
01:19:00,735 --> 01:19:04,364
WOMAN: To some, staying out
no longer makes sense.
1385
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:06,634
There is more here
than a town divided,
1386
01:19:06,708 --> 01:19:09,176
as brother watches brother
cross the line
1387
01:19:09,244 --> 01:19:14,944
in a place not big enough for
anyone to hide for very long.
1388
01:19:15,016 --> 01:19:18,144
He won't be my brother
if he crosses the line.
1389
01:19:24,425 --> 01:19:29,624
For me, it wasn't tough
to get to the point of the gate.
1390
01:19:29,697 --> 01:19:30,527
I was ready.
1391
01:19:30,598 --> 01:19:34,056
But the minute
we crossed that line,
1392
01:19:34,135 --> 01:19:36,467
part of me
just stayed back there.
1393
01:19:36,537 --> 01:19:39,870
Well, unionism, to me,
is watching out
1394
01:19:39,941 --> 01:19:43,104
not only for your own job,
but you're an organization
1395
01:19:43,177 --> 01:19:45,805
for the welfare and benefit
of all the workers.
1396
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:51,147
And now, you know,
for this moment, we aren't.
1397
01:19:51,219 --> 01:19:52,846
Because we left them.
1398
01:19:56,024 --> 01:19:59,152
You know, I wasn't always
International president.
1399
01:19:59,227 --> 01:20:02,060
I used to work
in the grocery stores, you know.
1400
01:20:02,130 --> 01:20:04,621
And I know what it is
to work for peanuts.
1401
01:20:04,699 --> 01:20:06,599
And you think I like the fact
1402
01:20:06,668 --> 01:20:09,728
that our people got to roll
their wages back a bit?
1403
01:20:09,804 --> 01:20:10,600
I don't.
1404
01:20:10,672 --> 01:20:12,367
But I tell you what.
1405
01:20:12,440 --> 01:20:14,408
I don't take people
over a cliff.
1406
01:20:14,475 --> 01:20:17,000
There's an old rule
in the labor movement.
1407
01:20:17,078 --> 01:20:19,706
Anybody can put people
on the street.
1408
01:20:19,781 --> 01:20:22,341
It takes a man to put them
back to work. I'm sorry.
1409
01:20:22,417 --> 01:20:25,147
It takes a man or a woman
to put them back to work.
1410
01:20:25,219 --> 01:20:27,687
Now is the time to settle it.
1411
01:20:27,755 --> 01:20:29,222
Hopefully, we can work it out
1412
01:20:29,290 --> 01:20:32,020
through the course
of our local union.
1413
01:20:32,093 --> 01:20:36,086
If we don't, then in a short
period of time, I'll settle it.
1414
01:20:36,164 --> 01:20:37,893
- Question.
- I'll settle it.
1415
01:20:37,965 --> 01:20:41,731
- How will you settle it?
- I told you I'll settle it.
1416
01:20:41,803 --> 01:20:43,668
I have a meeting.
Thank you.
1417
01:20:45,506 --> 01:20:47,997
The United Food and Commercial
Workers Union
1418
01:20:48,076 --> 01:20:50,772
ordered 1,000 members
of its meatpackers local
1419
01:20:50,845 --> 01:20:52,972
to end their bitter
seven-month strike
1420
01:20:53,047 --> 01:20:55,277
against Hormel
in Austin, Minnesota.
1421
01:20:55,349 --> 01:20:57,544
The International Union said
it had lifted its sanction
1422
01:20:57,618 --> 01:20:58,312
of the walkout
1423
01:20:58,386 --> 01:21:01,253
and cut off $40-a-week benefits
to strikers.
1424
01:21:01,322 --> 01:21:03,654
But pickets remained in place
through the day.
1425
01:21:03,725 --> 01:21:05,693
WOMAN: It is a strike,
those on the line say,
1426
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:07,819
is becoming symbolic
of the struggle
1427
01:21:07,895 --> 01:21:10,056
to keep trade unions alive.
1428
01:21:14,902 --> 01:21:19,032
If they end up operating
that plant nonunion
1429
01:21:19,107 --> 01:21:22,736
and your guys
never get back in there,
1430
01:21:22,810 --> 01:21:25,779
will you consider that
a big defeat for you?
1431
01:21:25,847 --> 01:21:27,371
Or not?
1432
01:21:27,448 --> 01:21:29,507
Number one,
1433
01:21:29,584 --> 01:21:32,815
if I say there's no way I could
look at this as a defeat,
1434
01:21:32,887 --> 01:21:35,720
then you're gonna say,
"How can you say that?
1435
01:21:35,790 --> 01:21:38,691
Now, you either win
or you're gonna lose."
1436
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:42,628
And let's talk about
what has happened here
1437
01:21:42,697 --> 01:21:46,360
and about the types of
victory and defeat you can have.
1438
01:21:46,434 --> 01:21:49,198
If all the workers
lose their job here,
1439
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:52,137
okay, if that's a scenario
that you're playing,
1440
01:21:52,206 --> 01:21:55,733
yeah, that is certainly
a defeat that way.
1441
01:21:55,810 --> 01:21:59,337
But when you consider the fight
these people have fought.
1442
01:21:59,413 --> 01:22:02,075
Are you saying that 1,000 guys
lose their jobs,
1443
01:22:02,150 --> 01:22:04,846
and because they've got
intense national attention
1444
01:22:04,919 --> 01:22:07,615
on these important problems
that confront labor,
1445
01:22:07,688 --> 01:22:09,053
that could still be a victory?
1446
01:22:09,123 --> 01:22:10,556
No, what I am saying,
1447
01:22:10,625 --> 01:22:13,321
there's been a set of dynamics
that has occurred
1448
01:22:13,394 --> 01:22:16,886
both with all the people in this
area, within this community,
1449
01:22:16,964 --> 01:22:19,432
and within the labor movement.
1450
01:22:19,500 --> 01:22:23,334
That cannot be considered
anything but positive.
1451
01:22:41,189 --> 01:22:44,784
JIM:
I think that we at P-9
1452
01:22:44,859 --> 01:22:48,192
started
this small labor dispute.
1453
01:22:48,262 --> 01:22:51,459
It quickly escalated
into a labor dispute
1454
01:22:51,532 --> 01:22:54,126
that represented
a lot of things.
1455
01:22:55,603 --> 01:23:00,040
Taking on one of the corporate
giants in an industry.
1456
01:23:00,107 --> 01:23:02,871
Taking on one of the largest
international unions
1457
01:23:02,944 --> 01:23:05,606
in the country.
1458
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:08,547
And really recognizing
the forces
1459
01:23:08,616 --> 01:23:11,449
that working people
have to deal with.
1460
01:23:17,124 --> 01:23:22,892
If a small union in the middle
of a cornfield in Minnesota
1461
01:23:22,964 --> 01:23:27,424
can do the kinds of things
we do...
1462
01:23:28,236 --> 01:23:31,171
We just need to get about
the business of doing it.
1463
01:23:56,530 --> 01:23:59,465
LEWIE: I don't believe
the membership elects leaders
1464
01:23:59,533 --> 01:24:02,024
to be heroes at their expense.
1465
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:05,498
Talks about dignity and
everybody going back together.
1466
01:24:05,573 --> 01:24:08,303
What dignity is there
when you don't have a job?
1467
01:24:08,376 --> 01:24:10,367
There's no dignity at all.
1468
01:24:16,851 --> 01:24:18,682
In June of 1986,
1469
01:24:18,753 --> 01:24:22,280
the International took over
the local union
1470
01:24:22,356 --> 01:24:26,486
and threw out the elected
leadership of Local P-9.
1471
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:29,393
The main things
that the order covers is
1472
01:24:29,463 --> 01:24:36,335
if anybody physically confronts
the UFCW, if they remove assets,
1473
01:24:36,404 --> 01:24:41,000
or if they hold themselves out
to be representing Local P-9
1474
01:24:41,075 --> 01:24:43,066
rather than just saying
they're a member of P-9.
1475
01:24:43,144 --> 01:24:45,669
Do I have to say I'm suspended?
1476
01:24:45,746 --> 01:24:47,577
The order's
pretty clear on that.
1477
01:24:47,648 --> 01:24:49,707
I got to say I'm suspended?
1478
01:24:58,559 --> 01:24:59,924
The International Union
1479
01:24:59,994 --> 01:25:02,155
negotiated a settlement
with Hormel,
1480
01:25:02,229 --> 01:25:05,255
whereby the people
who crossed the picket line
1481
01:25:05,333 --> 01:25:08,268
would receive the same wages
and benefits as workers
1482
01:25:08,336 --> 01:25:10,964
at the other Hormel plants.
1483
01:25:11,038 --> 01:25:14,599
$10.25 per hour.
1484
01:25:19,013 --> 01:25:20,776
We didn't stand by the company.
1485
01:25:20,848 --> 01:25:23,681
We stood by
the International Union.
1486
01:25:23,751 --> 01:25:25,616
Kiss my ass!
Kiss my ass!
1487
01:25:25,686 --> 01:25:27,313
You're full of shit.
1488
01:25:27,388 --> 01:25:30,380
You went back to save
your ass and save your job.
1489
01:25:30,458 --> 01:25:32,016
By God, we needed our jobs.
1490
01:25:32,093 --> 01:25:34,891
We took our chances
with Hormel with the hope
1491
01:25:34,962 --> 01:25:37,988
that unionism
would somehow survive.
1492
01:25:38,065 --> 01:25:42,365
We left the union
and we went back to our jobs.
1493
01:25:42,937 --> 01:25:44,768
That's where it was.
1494
01:25:44,839 --> 01:25:46,500
[ Booing and jeering ]
1495
01:25:48,542 --> 01:25:50,567
Go ahead.
You can scream and holler.
1496
01:25:50,644 --> 01:25:53,078
Get that out of your system.
Then we can proceed.
1497
01:25:54,682 --> 01:25:58,345
There's one part in the contract
that I must have missed.
1498
01:25:58,419 --> 01:26:03,516
It's the part that says
they have to take me
1499
01:26:03,591 --> 01:26:06,287
and the rest
of all these guys back.
1500
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:08,123
This is the way I feel.
1501
01:26:08,195 --> 01:26:12,063
Hormel's will never take me back
unless I put it in the contract
1502
01:26:12,133 --> 01:26:13,862
or you put it in the contract.
1503
01:26:13,934 --> 01:26:15,902
And if that's not
in the contract,
1504
01:26:15,970 --> 01:26:19,235
all this bullshit of a contract
don't mean nothing to me.
1505
01:26:19,306 --> 01:26:23,140
Because how many days' vacation
or how much of this they get.
1506
01:26:23,210 --> 01:26:27,544
I don't get none of it, because
I didn't get back in the plant.
1507
01:26:27,615 --> 01:26:30,584
The contract did not contain
any provisions
1508
01:26:30,651 --> 01:26:34,815
for the people
who honored the picket line.
1509
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:40,292
These people were placed
on a waiting list.
1510
01:26:40,361 --> 01:26:43,762
It's time, and I think you
people have realized, too.
1511
01:26:43,831 --> 01:26:46,061
Had we pulled together
two years ago,
1512
01:26:46,133 --> 01:26:48,761
I don't think you or us
would be faced with this.
1513
01:26:48,836 --> 01:26:51,930
But I think it's the thing
that's going on in America,
1514
01:26:52,006 --> 01:26:54,873
and I think we as men and women
have to realize
1515
01:26:54,942 --> 01:26:56,239
we better start pulling
together,
1516
01:26:56,310 --> 01:26:59,006
or, by God,
they're gonna bury us.
1517
01:27:34,082 --> 01:27:36,846
Part of why
it's gonna be so hard to leave
1518
01:27:36,918 --> 01:27:39,546
is because I'm gonna have to
leave my mom and dad.
1519
01:27:39,621 --> 01:27:41,088
My dad's still out on strike,
1520
01:27:41,156 --> 01:27:44,751
and I feel like
I'm abandoning him, almost.
1521
01:27:44,826 --> 01:27:50,492
But we feel like we have to get
on with our lives for the kids.
1522
01:27:50,565 --> 01:27:52,897
They need a normal atmosphere
they can grow up in.
1523
01:27:52,967 --> 01:27:55,868
I know my dad will be okay,
'cause he's a survivor.
1524
01:27:55,937 --> 01:27:58,531
And he knows that
we're still behind him 100%.
1525
01:27:58,606 --> 01:27:59,903
We're not abandoning him.
1526
01:27:59,974 --> 01:28:03,432
We're just taking our fight
somewhere else.
1527
01:28:06,481 --> 01:28:09,814
As far as the strike goes,
it was time.
1528
01:28:09,884 --> 01:28:11,078
It was past time.
1529
01:28:11,152 --> 01:28:14,781
Mike took a stand and refused
to go across the picket line.
1530
01:28:14,856 --> 01:28:17,916
I'm glad he wouldn't, because
I wouldn't have wanted him to.
1531
01:28:38,980 --> 01:28:41,505
LEWIE: You hear this business
of "Old Jay Hormel,
1532
01:28:41,583 --> 01:28:43,949
if he was around,
things wouldn't run this way,"
1533
01:28:44,018 --> 01:28:46,282
or "We got this new crop
of executives,
1534
01:28:46,354 --> 01:28:47,719
and they've changed
the direction."
1535
01:28:47,789 --> 01:28:49,586
They didn't change nothing.
1536
01:28:49,657 --> 01:28:53,821
Hormel changed because it was
to their advantage to change.
1537
01:28:53,895 --> 01:28:56,090
They realized
there was profits and growth
1538
01:28:56,164 --> 01:28:57,893
by pursuing this strategy.
1539
01:28:57,966 --> 01:28:59,058
And they did it.
1540
01:28:59,133 --> 01:29:00,828
All of a sudden,
they're not benevolent anymore
1541
01:29:00,902 --> 01:29:02,927
and they're not
so paternalistic.
1542
01:29:03,004 --> 01:29:06,633
They become barracudas,
just like everybody else.
1543
01:29:09,644 --> 01:29:12,807
We can't look to unions and say,
"You gotta stop this."
1544
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:16,338
It's gonna take a combination
of outrage from people.
1545
01:29:16,417 --> 01:29:18,715
Whether you support a union
or you don't,
1546
01:29:18,786 --> 01:29:21,846
is it right for
these companies to do this?
1547
01:29:22,991 --> 01:29:25,459
It can't be dealt with
just on the picket line
1548
01:29:25,526 --> 01:29:27,653
and just
at the bargaining table.
1549
01:29:32,267 --> 01:29:35,327
You're not looking
at short-term fixes here.
1550
01:29:51,653 --> 01:29:54,281
When the union's
inspiration
1551
01:29:54,355 --> 01:29:56,983
Through the workers' blood
shall run
1552
01:29:57,058 --> 01:29:59,959
There will be
no power greater
1553
01:30:00,028 --> 01:30:03,020
Anywhere beneath the sun
1554
01:30:03,097 --> 01:30:05,725
Yet, what force on Earth
is weaker
1555
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:08,769
Than the feeble strength
of one
1556
01:30:08,836 --> 01:30:14,604
And the union
makes us strong
1557
01:30:14,676 --> 01:30:19,409
Solidarity forever
1558
01:30:19,480 --> 01:30:23,883
Solidarity forever
1559
01:30:23,951 --> 01:30:27,751
Solidarity forever
1560
01:30:27,822 --> 01:30:32,521
And the union
makes us strong
1561
01:30:32,593 --> 01:30:34,424
In our arms
is placed a power
1562
01:30:34,495 --> 01:30:36,827
Greater
than their hoarded gold
1563
01:30:36,898 --> 01:30:39,059
Greater
than the might of armies
1564
01:30:39,133 --> 01:30:41,158
Magnified a thousand fold
1565
01:30:41,235 --> 01:30:43,635
We can bring together
the new world
1566
01:30:43,705 --> 01:30:45,696
From the ashes of the old
1567
01:30:45,773 --> 01:30:50,506
And the union
makes us strong
1568
01:30:50,578 --> 01:30:55,015
Solidarity forever
1569
01:30:55,083 --> 01:30:59,281
Solidarity forever
1570
01:30:59,354 --> 01:31:03,120
Solidarity forever
1571
01:31:03,191 --> 01:31:07,787
And the union
makes us strong
1572
01:31:07,862 --> 01:31:12,231
Solidarity forever
1573
01:31:12,300 --> 01:31:16,600
Solidarity forever
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