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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:29,029 --> 00:00:31,020 [ Pigs squealing ] 2 00:01:28,855 --> 00:01:31,050 MAN: As President Reagan was preparing to deliver 3 00:01:31,124 --> 00:01:33,058 his weekly radio address from Camp David, 4 00:01:33,126 --> 00:01:34,889 he ad-libbed thoughts on the economy 5 00:01:34,961 --> 00:01:36,223 during a microphone check, 6 00:01:36,296 --> 00:01:38,457 not intended to be part of his speech. 7 00:01:38,531 --> 00:01:40,089 PRESIDENT REAGAN: My fellow Americans, 8 00:01:40,166 --> 00:01:43,067 I've talked to you about the economic problems 9 00:01:43,136 --> 00:01:45,798 and opportunities our nation faces. 10 00:01:45,872 --> 00:01:47,863 I'm prepared to tell you it's a hell of mess. 11 00:01:47,941 --> 00:01:50,535 The hard line being taken by the Reagan administration 12 00:01:50,610 --> 00:01:52,077 concerning the air controllers strike... 13 00:01:52,145 --> 00:01:54,943 The Supreme Court delivered a potentially staggering setback 14 00:01:55,014 --> 00:01:55,742 to labor unions. 15 00:01:55,815 --> 00:01:57,976 It comes at a time when union officials 16 00:01:58,051 --> 00:02:01,680 are charging there is a growing campaign to break unions. 17 00:02:01,754 --> 00:02:03,688 MAN: The operation will be nonunion. 18 00:02:03,756 --> 00:02:05,724 Salaries will be cut in half. 19 00:02:05,792 --> 00:02:07,851 MAN #2: Wilson Foods declared bankruptcy. 20 00:02:07,927 --> 00:02:10,691 With the stroke of a pen, it could stay in business 21 00:02:10,763 --> 00:02:12,788 but void its labor contract 22 00:02:12,866 --> 00:02:15,699 and slash workers' salaries by 40% to 50%. 23 00:02:15,768 --> 00:02:17,702 WOMAN: These are hard times for the meatpacking industry. 24 00:02:17,770 --> 00:02:21,035 MAN: Union labor has taken almost 50% wage-and-benefit cuts 25 00:02:21,107 --> 00:02:24,668 to keep their jobs and their companies afloat. 26 00:02:24,744 --> 00:02:28,578 At least I'm taking some money home instead of nothing. 27 00:02:28,648 --> 00:02:31,014 WOMAN: In Waterloo, Iowa, a shutdown. 28 00:02:31,084 --> 00:02:32,642 At Iowa Beef, a violent strike... 29 00:02:32,719 --> 00:02:35,119 MAN: Striking meatpackers facing 40% pay cuts 30 00:02:35,188 --> 00:02:37,588 go packing bricks against a truck at a Wilson Foods plant. 31 00:02:37,657 --> 00:02:40,990 RATHER: Crossed picket lines in spite of an automobile barricade 32 00:02:41,060 --> 00:02:43,961 as Hormel's flagship plant, open for a second week... 33 00:02:44,030 --> 00:02:47,056 WOMAN: ...send in the guards was reached after city officials 34 00:02:47,133 --> 00:02:50,398 said the situation at Hormel was beyond their control. 35 00:02:50,470 --> 00:02:52,370 This is not Austin anymore! 36 00:02:52,438 --> 00:02:53,837 It's Hormel, Minnesota! 37 00:02:53,907 --> 00:02:56,068 You guys are helping them! 38 00:03:03,750 --> 00:03:06,241 [ Cheers and applause ] 39 00:03:09,822 --> 00:03:14,759 Austin, Minnesota, is not just about Austin, Minnesota. 40 00:03:14,827 --> 00:03:19,161 Austin is the cavalry. The workers in this nation. 41 00:03:19,232 --> 00:03:25,364 Workers somewhere, sometime, someplace, 42 00:03:25,438 --> 00:03:31,001 must stand up and say, "Enough is enough!" 43 00:03:31,077 --> 00:03:34,171 We want jobs and justice. 44 00:03:40,286 --> 00:03:42,151 Someday. 45 00:03:59,838 --> 00:04:02,705 Can I give you a pamphlet here? 46 00:04:02,775 --> 00:04:06,836 So you can see what's going on in the Austin plant. Thank you. 47 00:04:09,948 --> 00:04:13,975 Can I give you one of these about the Hormel injury rate? 48 00:04:14,053 --> 00:04:15,850 - Okay, thank you. - Thank you. 49 00:04:22,861 --> 00:04:24,385 Aren't you Mr. Anderson? 50 00:04:24,463 --> 00:04:26,954 Hi. I don't know if you remember me. 51 00:04:27,032 --> 00:04:30,365 - We had the good years. - You did. 52 00:04:30,436 --> 00:04:34,133 And this, I sure hope it comes, gets straightened out. 53 00:04:34,206 --> 00:04:36,231 I'd like to see something settled. 54 00:04:36,308 --> 00:04:39,368 And I understand your side of it. 55 00:04:39,445 --> 00:04:42,744 I really do. I wouldn't like to take a cut either. 56 00:04:42,815 --> 00:04:45,943 I wish everybody good luck. 57 00:04:46,018 --> 00:04:48,953 I hope they don't have trouble with the company. 58 00:04:49,021 --> 00:04:53,685 I'm retired, and if I were still working, if I lost my job, 59 00:04:53,759 --> 00:04:56,319 that would be terrible. 60 00:04:56,395 --> 00:04:57,692 MAN: Could I talk to your husband? 61 00:04:57,763 --> 00:05:01,426 WOMAN: No, but there's something I would love to say to you. 62 00:05:01,500 --> 00:05:05,197 Aren't you guys happy working at the Hormel plant? 63 00:05:05,270 --> 00:05:07,101 Under the current conditions, no. 64 00:05:07,172 --> 00:05:11,233 We were happy making $10.69 and when Hormel treated us decent. 65 00:05:11,310 --> 00:05:14,143 Why do you stay at a place you're not happy? 66 00:05:14,213 --> 00:05:17,114 We don't have all the money in the world like the Knowltons. 67 00:05:17,182 --> 00:05:20,481 There are so many people that would love to have your job 68 00:05:20,552 --> 00:05:24,579 at $8.75 an hour and all those nice benefits. 69 00:05:24,656 --> 00:05:27,784 When we were your age, we weren't making what you were. 70 00:05:27,860 --> 00:05:30,795 Then give us a fair shake like you got a fair shake. 71 00:05:30,863 --> 00:05:32,854 [ Door closes ] 72 00:05:35,567 --> 00:05:36,761 Hmm. 73 00:06:16,041 --> 00:06:20,808 If we gotta give up 23% wages and 30% cut in benefits, 74 00:06:20,879 --> 00:06:23,279 when the company's making $30 million, 75 00:06:23,348 --> 00:06:26,476 what are we gonna have to give when they show a loss? 76 00:06:29,488 --> 00:06:31,718 Two years ago under the incentive program, 77 00:06:31,790 --> 00:06:35,749 my last incentive check in the hog cut in the new plant, 78 00:06:35,828 --> 00:06:41,266 I grossed $637 for 47 hours' work. 79 00:06:41,333 --> 00:06:45,201 After the incentive program was taken away, 80 00:06:45,270 --> 00:06:48,205 I went down to $409 a week. 81 00:06:49,374 --> 00:06:53,208 Today I'm making $312. 82 00:06:53,278 --> 00:06:57,681 Working twice as hard for the same amount of hours. 83 00:06:57,749 --> 00:06:59,478 It's ridiculous. 84 00:07:03,789 --> 00:07:07,122 My father worked for George A. Hormel plant 85 00:07:07,192 --> 00:07:08,181 for many years. 86 00:07:08,260 --> 00:07:11,491 He was also a very proud man. He was a hard worker. 87 00:07:11,563 --> 00:07:13,224 He was proud of his products. 88 00:07:13,298 --> 00:07:15,163 He was in the days of heavy production. 89 00:07:15,234 --> 00:07:19,170 He went out on a stretcher one day from the plant. 90 00:07:19,238 --> 00:07:23,937 My husband now, I'm proud to be a wife of a hog cutter. 91 00:07:24,009 --> 00:07:25,806 I'm proud of the products. 92 00:07:25,878 --> 00:07:28,346 But I don't like the way they're treating my family 93 00:07:28,413 --> 00:07:32,611 or my husband or anyone else who ever worked for that plant. 94 00:07:32,684 --> 00:07:34,276 [ Cheers and applause ] 95 00:07:34,353 --> 00:07:37,083 JIM: It's a real quagmire of a situation, 96 00:07:37,155 --> 00:07:40,124 and people are really getting hurt. 97 00:07:44,196 --> 00:07:45,390 Their pride is hurt 98 00:07:45,464 --> 00:07:48,797 because they can't fulfill the needs of their family, 99 00:07:48,867 --> 00:07:53,099 and they've somehow got to go on welfare programs, 100 00:07:53,171 --> 00:07:57,130 and people are very angry, hurt, upset, frustrated. 101 00:07:57,209 --> 00:08:00,144 And it's difficult to vent your frustrations 102 00:08:00,212 --> 00:08:02,544 in the proper direction. 103 00:08:02,614 --> 00:08:04,047 WOMAN: Utility workers make more. 104 00:08:04,116 --> 00:08:05,708 Meter readers make more. 105 00:08:05,784 --> 00:08:08,685 The garbage collectors make more. 106 00:08:08,754 --> 00:08:12,485 A guy that works with Wes, or did work with my husband quit. 107 00:08:12,558 --> 00:08:14,048 He got hired at the city. 108 00:08:14,126 --> 00:08:16,959 He's starting at $11-something an hour. 109 00:08:17,029 --> 00:08:18,724 But I don't begrudge anybody 110 00:08:18,797 --> 00:08:21,960 that's making $30,000, $40,000, $50,000. 111 00:08:22,034 --> 00:08:24,468 But let us live in our house. 112 00:08:24,536 --> 00:08:27,505 Let us live in our $32,000 house. 113 00:08:37,482 --> 00:08:44,217 And that we all may walk in faith 114 00:08:44,289 --> 00:08:48,487 In your community 115 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:50,619 NYBERG: In Austin, 22,000 people. 116 00:08:50,696 --> 00:08:53,392 We're in a little world by ourselves down here. 117 00:08:53,465 --> 00:08:55,399 These are the people we go to church with. 118 00:08:55,467 --> 00:08:57,697 These are the people we go to grocery stores with. 119 00:08:57,769 --> 00:08:59,737 We meet on the street. 120 00:08:59,805 --> 00:09:02,569 We meet in various forms of recreation. 121 00:09:02,641 --> 00:09:06,577 We rub shoulders with them. Do we care about our employees? 122 00:09:06,645 --> 00:09:08,237 Yes, we do. 123 00:09:08,313 --> 00:09:09,940 But in the long term, 124 00:09:10,015 --> 00:09:12,848 we don't want to go the way of many other packers 125 00:09:12,918 --> 00:09:17,116 who realized too late that their costs were out of line 126 00:09:17,189 --> 00:09:20,124 and then tried to recover and couldn't. 127 00:09:31,903 --> 00:09:33,370 FILM NARRATOR: It's been written that Jay 128 00:09:33,438 --> 00:09:34,598 was a born innovator 129 00:09:34,673 --> 00:09:36,868 and remembered for his social conscience. 130 00:09:36,942 --> 00:09:39,035 His thoughtful understanding of 131 00:09:39,111 --> 00:09:41,944 and concern for the welfare of the working man 132 00:09:42,014 --> 00:09:44,539 was surely what gave rise to the benefits 133 00:09:44,616 --> 00:09:47,983 that have been made available to Hormel personnel. 134 00:09:48,053 --> 00:09:50,886 He initiated the first guaranteed annual wage. 135 00:09:50,956 --> 00:09:52,753 There was also a first-of-its-kind 136 00:09:52,824 --> 00:09:54,815 profit-sharing plan for the workers 137 00:09:54,893 --> 00:09:57,726 that paid a share of the profits to each of them. 138 00:09:57,796 --> 00:10:00,321 Perhaps that explains why everyone at Hormel 139 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:03,926 strives for quality and efficiency. 140 00:10:04,002 --> 00:10:09,167 WOMAN: I've worked for Hormel, it'll be 43 years this year. 141 00:10:10,742 --> 00:10:17,443 And if it were necessary as a survival, 142 00:10:17,516 --> 00:10:20,451 I would be all for it. 143 00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:24,922 We've done it before over the many, many times. 144 00:10:24,990 --> 00:10:29,393 But this, I think, is just the mood of the industry, 145 00:10:29,461 --> 00:10:31,656 and they're jumping on the bandwagon 146 00:10:31,730 --> 00:10:34,995 to be one of them to say, "We were able to do it, too." 147 00:10:35,067 --> 00:10:38,969 Where, I think, if they would have left our wages 148 00:10:39,037 --> 00:10:41,505 at their present standard, 149 00:10:41,573 --> 00:10:46,237 people would have really used them as a shining example 150 00:10:46,311 --> 00:10:50,611 that in hard times, if you really have good productivity, 151 00:10:50,682 --> 00:10:53,480 good relationship with your employees, 152 00:10:53,552 --> 00:10:57,488 that you're able to handle the bad times. 153 00:10:57,556 --> 00:11:00,320 I hope that they have enough of the vision 154 00:11:00,392 --> 00:11:03,225 that I think I must have for the welfare 155 00:11:03,295 --> 00:11:05,627 of the long-term future of the company, 156 00:11:05,697 --> 00:11:09,189 that would say, "We can do no more." 157 00:11:09,267 --> 00:11:12,794 If Jay Hormel were here today, if George A. Hormel were here, 158 00:11:12,871 --> 00:11:15,806 they probably would be doing exactly the same thing 159 00:11:15,874 --> 00:11:17,398 that we are. 160 00:11:25,384 --> 00:11:28,649 I think unions are getting their teeth kicked in. 161 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,951 I think if you're into a situation 162 00:11:32,023 --> 00:11:34,082 of where you're getting beat up, 163 00:11:34,159 --> 00:11:36,559 you better try something different. 164 00:11:36,628 --> 00:11:40,029 MAN: Corporate campaigns initiated by Ray Rogers... 165 00:11:40,098 --> 00:11:41,588 MAN #2: Rogers has been used to targeting 166 00:11:41,666 --> 00:11:42,894 one enemy, the employer. 167 00:11:42,968 --> 00:11:45,300 MAN #3: Rogers brought his Corporate Campaign here... 168 00:11:45,370 --> 00:11:49,101 JIM: We were very ineffective in communicating our message. 169 00:11:49,174 --> 00:11:50,903 MAN #4: He managed to attract reporters 170 00:11:50,976 --> 00:11:52,967 from the "New York Times," the "Chicago Tribune"... 171 00:11:53,044 --> 00:11:56,946 JIM: I ran across an article on Ray Rogers and gave him a call. 172 00:11:57,015 --> 00:11:58,812 MAN #5: Tough-talking labor consultant... 173 00:11:58,884 --> 00:12:01,717 JIM: He said he needed to do a little research 174 00:12:01,787 --> 00:12:04,255 because he was a vegetarian, 175 00:12:04,322 --> 00:12:06,882 didn't know anything about meatpacking. 176 00:12:10,395 --> 00:12:13,796 Ray came and made a presentation to our membership. 177 00:12:16,902 --> 00:12:20,099 RAY: We will run a multimillion dollar campaign 178 00:12:20,172 --> 00:12:24,438 even though you don't have millions of dollars. 179 00:12:24,509 --> 00:12:27,501 The greatest resource, the greatest strength you have 180 00:12:27,579 --> 00:12:30,047 is the people themselves. 181 00:12:30,115 --> 00:12:32,083 And that's why we feel so confident 182 00:12:32,150 --> 00:12:34,550 that we can pull off a major victory, 183 00:12:34,619 --> 00:12:36,814 not just for Local P-9 in Austin, 184 00:12:36,888 --> 00:12:39,584 but for labor throughout this entire country. 185 00:13:06,685 --> 00:13:08,516 - Congratulations, partner. - Yeah. 186 00:13:08,587 --> 00:13:10,953 The price of poker just went up. 187 00:13:11,022 --> 00:13:14,583 In this game, because that's the way the company views it. 188 00:13:14,659 --> 00:13:17,992 It's a game the way they want to treat people, 189 00:13:18,063 --> 00:13:20,554 hold their whole lives in jeopardy. 190 00:13:20,632 --> 00:13:23,157 And to them, it might be a game. 191 00:13:23,235 --> 00:13:26,636 And to us, it's a war. 192 00:13:26,705 --> 00:13:28,673 Things can really start moving now. 193 00:13:28,740 --> 00:13:31,732 Super. That's just really nice. 194 00:13:32,777 --> 00:13:36,269 And we hope that the corporate executives from Hormel come. 195 00:13:36,348 --> 00:13:38,714 We hope the executives from the bank come. 196 00:13:38,783 --> 00:13:41,274 We want everybody to see the type of program 197 00:13:41,353 --> 00:13:42,581 that we plan on running 198 00:13:42,654 --> 00:13:46,090 and then let them begin to lose the night's sleep 199 00:13:46,157 --> 00:13:49,991 like they've caused this community to lose sleep. 200 00:13:51,596 --> 00:13:52,858 [ Chanting ] We're gonna win! 201 00:13:52,931 --> 00:13:55,331 We're gonna win! We're gonna win! 202 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,426 We're gonna win! We're gonna win! 203 00:14:05,544 --> 00:14:08,172 RAY: On our staff, we have experts in all facets 204 00:14:08,246 --> 00:14:11,773 of research and analysis, communications experts, 205 00:14:11,850 --> 00:14:13,875 and experts in all facets 206 00:14:13,952 --> 00:14:15,715 of political and community organization. 207 00:14:15,787 --> 00:14:19,314 We looked out there in society and saw poor and working people 208 00:14:19,391 --> 00:14:20,722 getting the daylights kicked out of them. 209 00:14:20,792 --> 00:14:24,319 We felt there had to be a mechanism that they and unions 210 00:14:24,396 --> 00:14:25,988 and community groups could turn to 211 00:14:26,064 --> 00:14:28,965 that had a lot of expertise in how to challenge 212 00:14:29,034 --> 00:14:31,093 powerful adversaries that were irresponsible 213 00:14:31,169 --> 00:14:32,796 in the policies directed at workers. 214 00:14:32,871 --> 00:14:35,203 So we developed Corporate Campaign programs. 215 00:14:35,273 --> 00:14:38,071 And our campaign is one of taking the offense, 216 00:14:38,143 --> 00:14:40,077 showing that workers can fight back. 217 00:14:40,145 --> 00:14:43,581 That they don't have to keep taking one loss after another. 218 00:14:45,283 --> 00:14:46,978 You know what we need to do. 219 00:14:47,052 --> 00:14:51,079 JIM: Ray told me you're never going to outspend a company, 220 00:14:51,156 --> 00:14:53,215 public-relations-wise. 221 00:14:53,291 --> 00:14:56,021 My name is Ray Rogers. I'm with Corporate Campaign. 222 00:14:56,094 --> 00:14:57,789 JIM: That what you needed to do 223 00:14:57,862 --> 00:14:59,693 was look at creating a situation 224 00:14:59,764 --> 00:15:02,358 that became a newsworthy situation. 225 00:15:02,434 --> 00:15:06,427 The company spent millions in many years to build an image. 226 00:15:06,504 --> 00:15:07,937 That's being destroyed overnight. 227 00:15:08,006 --> 00:15:11,134 JIM: The strategy was to go after the money 228 00:15:11,209 --> 00:15:12,471 behind the corporation. 229 00:15:12,544 --> 00:15:15,206 There's a lot of labor money in First Bank's system. 230 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:16,941 MAN: Ray Rogers and his Corporate Campaign 231 00:15:17,015 --> 00:15:20,644 mailed this letter to over 5,000 union members in the Midwest 232 00:15:20,719 --> 00:15:22,983 that says in part the First Bank system 233 00:15:23,054 --> 00:15:25,750 is a principal stockholder in the Hormel company 234 00:15:25,824 --> 00:15:27,951 and thus can influence policy. 235 00:15:28,026 --> 00:15:30,654 This institution is directly involved 236 00:15:30,729 --> 00:15:32,856 in the policymaking process of Hormel. 237 00:15:32,931 --> 00:15:37,595 JIM: Ray knows how to put labor's best foot forward 238 00:15:37,669 --> 00:15:41,196 so that John Q. Public would sympathize with our cause. 239 00:15:41,272 --> 00:15:44,002 There's some guy I'd never seen. 240 00:15:44,075 --> 00:15:46,737 They started talking to me about that Hormel situation. 241 00:15:46,811 --> 00:15:49,905 The guy says, "Are you the guy that's been brought in? 242 00:15:49,981 --> 00:15:51,175 Man, I'm telling you, 243 00:15:51,249 --> 00:15:54,082 you can't imagine how many of my friends are watching this. 244 00:15:54,152 --> 00:15:55,483 We're 100% behind you. 245 00:15:55,553 --> 00:15:57,282 You're teaching this country something. 246 00:15:57,355 --> 00:15:58,982 And, by God, you gotta win." 247 00:15:59,057 --> 00:16:01,184 This is what I'm getting everywhere. 248 00:16:01,259 --> 00:16:04,126 You are a symbol of something that goes beyond Austin. 249 00:16:04,195 --> 00:16:05,685 Don't you forget it. 250 00:16:09,300 --> 00:16:13,031 Local P-9 engaged the services of a labor consultant 251 00:16:13,104 --> 00:16:15,368 from New York City. 252 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,001 Mr. Ray Rogers and Corporate Campaign. 253 00:16:19,077 --> 00:16:21,944 And Mr. Rogers has a different philosophy 254 00:16:22,013 --> 00:16:24,413 about how to deal with companies. 255 00:16:24,482 --> 00:16:25,972 Traditional collective bargaining 256 00:16:26,051 --> 00:16:30,044 is not the preferred method that he would use. 257 00:16:30,121 --> 00:16:34,319 His traditional approaches are harassment, intimidation, 258 00:16:34,392 --> 00:16:36,121 and threats. 259 00:16:36,194 --> 00:16:39,630 And his rationale for that mode of approaching an employer 260 00:16:39,698 --> 00:16:41,962 is that if you can embarrass a company 261 00:16:42,033 --> 00:16:44,092 hard enough and long enough, 262 00:16:44,169 --> 00:16:46,330 you'll bring that company to its knees. 263 00:16:46,404 --> 00:16:49,237 And they will agree to the terms and conditions 264 00:16:49,307 --> 00:16:52,435 of his client unions, the ones that he represents. 265 00:16:52,510 --> 00:16:55,343 So he came to us with that approach. 266 00:16:57,015 --> 00:17:00,075 There's supposed to be some other pigs here today. 267 00:17:01,086 --> 00:17:04,112 CROWD: We don't need First Bank's greed! 268 00:17:04,189 --> 00:17:07,716 If anybody doesn't have a sign, just grab a sign here. 269 00:17:07,792 --> 00:17:11,091 CROWD: We don't need First Bank's greed! 270 00:17:11,162 --> 00:17:13,756 From day to day, you get to be 271 00:17:13,832 --> 00:17:16,130 on a high like today with everybody here. 272 00:17:16,201 --> 00:17:19,659 But when you go home and nobody's around you, 273 00:17:19,738 --> 00:17:20,898 you tend to get down. 274 00:17:20,972 --> 00:17:23,202 But then you get back up when you go back 275 00:17:23,274 --> 00:17:25,333 to the union hall and start helping. 276 00:17:25,410 --> 00:17:26,934 Then you get up again. 277 00:17:27,011 --> 00:17:29,605 We're on the right side of things. 278 00:17:29,681 --> 00:17:32,673 People are realizing we're willing to fight that fight. 279 00:17:32,751 --> 00:17:34,981 People recognize that the labor movement 280 00:17:35,053 --> 00:17:36,850 being a key factor if we're gonna have 281 00:17:36,921 --> 00:17:41,290 any real meaningful social -- economic -- Cut. 282 00:17:50,935 --> 00:17:53,768 NARRATOR: Are you afraid of Corporate Campaign? 283 00:17:53,838 --> 00:17:55,271 We're not. 284 00:17:55,340 --> 00:17:57,672 What happens if they persist? 285 00:17:57,742 --> 00:18:00,176 Well, I don't know. 286 00:18:00,245 --> 00:18:03,043 With our position, I don't know what they can do. 287 00:18:03,114 --> 00:18:08,108 I realize that they can say a lot of things, 288 00:18:08,186 --> 00:18:10,245 but they can't do a lot of things. 289 00:18:10,321 --> 00:18:14,018 And I think it's tragic, because the only thing they end up doing 290 00:18:14,092 --> 00:18:16,356 is destroying their jobs and their company. 291 00:18:16,427 --> 00:18:18,952 MAN: Thank you all very much. Appreciate it. 292 00:18:42,120 --> 00:18:44,418 NARRATOR: The United Food and Commercial Workers 293 00:18:44,489 --> 00:18:49,517 is the parent union of Austin's local union P-9. 294 00:18:50,261 --> 00:18:53,924 The Local 9 will suffer as a result of it. 295 00:18:53,998 --> 00:18:55,590 They can't negotiate by themselves. 296 00:18:55,667 --> 00:18:59,398 Lewie Anderson is the director of the meatpacking division. 297 00:18:59,470 --> 00:19:02,496 And they say, "This company is a profitable company, 298 00:19:02,574 --> 00:19:06,169 and nothing else in the universe matters. 299 00:19:06,244 --> 00:19:07,939 We have a right to our $10.69. 300 00:19:08,012 --> 00:19:09,946 We have a right to those benefits." 301 00:19:10,014 --> 00:19:11,413 That's their thinking. 302 00:19:11,482 --> 00:19:15,851 To go even beyond that there, they are convinced by Ray Rogers 303 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,549 that the Corporate Campaign will achieve that goal for them. 304 00:19:19,624 --> 00:19:22,593 He shot them a line of shit, is all he did. 305 00:19:22,660 --> 00:19:24,321 The plain fact of the matter is 306 00:19:24,395 --> 00:19:26,727 there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever 307 00:19:26,798 --> 00:19:31,292 they are not going to win through a corporate campaign. 308 00:19:31,369 --> 00:19:33,064 They are not gonna win. 309 00:19:33,137 --> 00:19:35,537 If they continue, they're gonna become bigger losers 310 00:19:35,607 --> 00:19:37,097 than what they are now. 311 00:19:37,175 --> 00:19:39,473 It is gonna cost them their jobs. 312 00:19:39,544 --> 00:19:43,207 Instead of making $8.25 an hour, or $9.25 an hour... 313 00:19:43,281 --> 00:19:44,509 MAN ON RADIO: Good one by Glen Campbell. 314 00:19:44,582 --> 00:19:46,140 It's time for the song of inspiration 315 00:19:46,217 --> 00:19:47,912 brought to you by your friends 316 00:19:47,986 --> 00:19:51,114 at Omaha Auto and Truck Recyclers Association. 317 00:19:51,189 --> 00:19:53,157 It used to be you always had problems. 318 00:19:53,224 --> 00:19:55,886 You always had one or two local unions 319 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,088 that were going through real serious problems, 320 00:19:59,163 --> 00:20:03,293 but you had some time to think about it and to work with them 321 00:20:03,368 --> 00:20:06,997 and stay with them and help them work through those problems. 322 00:20:07,071 --> 00:20:09,232 But what you've had in the last five years 323 00:20:09,307 --> 00:20:11,468 is everybody's had problems. 324 00:20:11,542 --> 00:20:13,237 They've had them all at the same time. 325 00:20:13,311 --> 00:20:16,769 You're just running all over the country in all directions, 326 00:20:16,848 --> 00:20:18,076 trying to patch things up 327 00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:20,174 and get things going in the right direction. 328 00:20:20,251 --> 00:20:21,980 Then you don't get to stay. 329 00:20:22,053 --> 00:20:25,318 You have to go deal with another crisis. 330 00:20:25,390 --> 00:20:27,858 The companies in this industry are embarked on a program 331 00:20:27,926 --> 00:20:31,089 to tear the wages up, to tear the fringe benefits up, 332 00:20:31,162 --> 00:20:35,531 to return us to the days of "The Jungle" 60 years ago. 333 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,591 Do the unions have any clout? 334 00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:40,604 Does the public care about the unions anymore? 335 00:20:43,207 --> 00:20:47,007 Can the unions sell this message? 336 00:20:51,182 --> 00:20:52,149 CROWD: Go! 337 00:20:52,216 --> 00:20:53,877 Go! Go! 338 00:20:53,952 --> 00:20:56,477 Go! Go! 339 00:21:01,092 --> 00:21:03,026 Local unions like P-9 340 00:21:03,094 --> 00:21:06,621 have complete autonomy to carry on all union business 341 00:21:06,698 --> 00:21:08,359 as long as they don't violate 342 00:21:08,433 --> 00:21:10,901 their international constitution. 343 00:21:10,969 --> 00:21:15,463 The International Union can only give strategic advice. 344 00:21:15,540 --> 00:21:18,100 MAN: What can you do that we can't do? 345 00:21:18,176 --> 00:21:20,303 - So far, I haven't seen much. - Really? 346 00:21:20,378 --> 00:21:22,403 - [ Crowd groans ] - There's your answer. 347 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,175 No, I want you to answer that. 348 00:21:24,248 --> 00:21:25,875 I want you to answer that. 349 00:21:25,950 --> 00:21:28,248 You're reading too many things 350 00:21:28,319 --> 00:21:30,810 about what Lewie Anderson and other people are saying. 351 00:21:30,888 --> 00:21:34,380 - You're dodging the question. - I'm not dodging the question. 352 00:21:34,459 --> 00:21:36,017 That's a question that was asked. 353 00:21:36,094 --> 00:21:37,391 I'm not gonna answer it. 354 00:21:37,462 --> 00:21:38,724 What you do not have, 355 00:21:38,796 --> 00:21:40,889 what the International has not furnished, 356 00:21:40,965 --> 00:21:43,365 what you have not furnished is the analysis 357 00:21:43,434 --> 00:21:47,302 upon which you build a program of real, impenetrable economic 358 00:21:47,372 --> 00:21:49,602 and political pressure, harassing the company. 359 00:21:49,674 --> 00:21:52,871 We have developed some damn good campaign literature. 360 00:21:52,944 --> 00:21:55,105 I haven't seen anybody from the International 361 00:21:55,179 --> 00:21:57,147 come and give you that kind of direction 362 00:21:57,215 --> 00:21:59,012 or campaign literature. 363 00:21:59,083 --> 00:22:01,745 One thing I'll credit you. You're a hell of a motivator. 364 00:22:01,819 --> 00:22:05,949 Millions of dollars worth of free and positive publicity 365 00:22:06,024 --> 00:22:08,720 for your campaign, national press coverage. 366 00:22:08,793 --> 00:22:10,090 Yes, you have! 367 00:22:12,430 --> 00:22:14,022 And that's your answer. 368 00:22:16,167 --> 00:22:16,826 All right. 369 00:22:26,044 --> 00:22:26,476 Hi. 370 00:22:26,544 --> 00:22:29,604 Hi. Are you with P-9? 371 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:30,271 Mm-hmm. 372 00:22:30,348 --> 00:22:32,077 Okay. 373 00:22:36,220 --> 00:22:38,984 Is what Local 9 proposing up there 374 00:22:39,057 --> 00:22:42,493 with the Corporate Campaign the answer to the problems 375 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,824 we have seen in the meatpacking industry in the past 376 00:22:44,896 --> 00:22:49,060 and the challenges that we're faced for the future? 377 00:22:49,133 --> 00:22:51,397 Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, too. 378 00:22:51,469 --> 00:22:54,336 Are you saying that regardless of what is decided 379 00:22:54,405 --> 00:22:58,341 by this organization, you're going to go ahead 380 00:22:58,409 --> 00:23:00,843 with that campaign as you've outlined it? 381 00:23:00,912 --> 00:23:04,541 If the rank and file dictates they're gonna resist pay cuts, 382 00:23:04,615 --> 00:23:07,743 we're gonna resist the pay cuts. 383 00:23:07,819 --> 00:23:12,882 And I guess we would like to see you on our side in this fight. 384 00:23:12,957 --> 00:23:14,720 The Austin program, it occurs to us, 385 00:23:14,792 --> 00:23:17,386 is symptomatic of Reagan's philosophy. 386 00:23:17,462 --> 00:23:21,125 "I'll get mine, and the hell with everybody else." 387 00:23:21,199 --> 00:23:23,690 RAY: Maybe we shouldn't expect every meatpacker 388 00:23:23,768 --> 00:23:25,929 to receive the same wage. 389 00:23:26,003 --> 00:23:28,130 Maybe we need to look at each company and say, 390 00:23:28,206 --> 00:23:30,674 "What is the profitability of the company?" 391 00:23:30,741 --> 00:23:34,142 Then base the wages that we expect on its profitability. 392 00:23:34,212 --> 00:23:37,739 God damn it, the guy working at Armour, $6 bucks an hour, 393 00:23:37,815 --> 00:23:40,340 doing the same work they're doing in Austin 394 00:23:40,418 --> 00:23:41,885 deserves the $10.69, too, 395 00:23:41,953 --> 00:23:44,114 as well as every other packinghouse worker! 396 00:23:44,188 --> 00:23:46,918 That is what we stand for. That is what we gotta do. 397 00:23:46,991 --> 00:23:50,188 We cannot have one group hanging way up here 398 00:23:50,261 --> 00:23:52,456 and everybody else down below. 399 00:23:52,530 --> 00:23:54,998 It's the wrong kind of unionism. 400 00:23:55,066 --> 00:23:57,899 We're here saying, you know, we've got a program. 401 00:23:57,969 --> 00:24:01,564 We're representing a client and a large group of people. 402 00:24:01,639 --> 00:24:03,436 We're gonna continue to represent them 403 00:24:03,508 --> 00:24:05,408 as long as they want us to. 404 00:24:05,476 --> 00:24:08,274 MAN: Why won't the International support the Hormel workers? 405 00:24:08,346 --> 00:24:11,179 Is $10.69 an hour too much? 406 00:24:11,249 --> 00:24:14,013 Look, I worked in those packinghouses. 407 00:24:14,085 --> 00:24:17,248 I worked for a very antiunion employer as a beef skinner, 408 00:24:17,321 --> 00:24:19,084 so I know what that work is. 409 00:24:19,157 --> 00:24:22,320 And they deserve $10.69-plus, believe me. 410 00:24:22,393 --> 00:24:24,657 One of the things that Local 9 has said 411 00:24:24,729 --> 00:24:26,196 to the Packing Committee 412 00:24:26,264 --> 00:24:29,028 is, "Well, if we can get $10.69 there, 413 00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:31,864 that's the shining star, and everybody will go to that." 414 00:24:31,936 --> 00:24:33,460 But I gotta tell you, 415 00:24:33,538 --> 00:24:35,972 in some 10 or 15 years of our experience, 416 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,132 that's not the case. 417 00:24:37,208 --> 00:24:38,641 One of two things happens. 418 00:24:38,709 --> 00:24:42,145 Those operators on the low end of the scale get bigger, 419 00:24:42,213 --> 00:24:45,410 or those on the high end of that wage scale 420 00:24:45,483 --> 00:24:48,179 say, "The hell with it," and they go out of business, 421 00:24:48,252 --> 00:24:50,686 or they close this plant and go down the road 422 00:24:50,755 --> 00:24:53,724 and open up a plant at $5.00 or $6.00 an hour. 423 00:24:53,791 --> 00:24:55,315 That would be great if we could do that. 424 00:24:55,393 --> 00:24:57,725 I'd be the first to say, "Let's do it." 425 00:24:57,795 --> 00:24:59,729 But it don't work that way. 426 00:25:00,898 --> 00:25:04,197 We came into this thing alone, and we'll go out alone. 427 00:25:05,970 --> 00:25:08,598 I want to tell you, I am disgusted 428 00:25:08,673 --> 00:25:11,699 to be even associated with this organization. 429 00:25:11,776 --> 00:25:12,743 You've got to. 430 00:25:12,810 --> 00:25:15,278 John, take your pen if you're disgusted. 431 00:25:15,346 --> 00:25:18,782 Yeah. You've got a lot of gutless people here. 432 00:25:19,650 --> 00:25:21,345 JIM: We pleaded with the National Union 433 00:25:21,419 --> 00:25:24,081 that if they couldn't support us, get out of the way. 434 00:25:24,155 --> 00:25:26,988 If you're gonna get in the way and run interference for Hormel, 435 00:25:27,058 --> 00:25:29,494 then we're gonna go right through you if we have to. 436 00:25:39,370 --> 00:25:43,534 So you've got the International Union looking at it and saying, 437 00:25:43,608 --> 00:25:45,508 "If these people are successful, 438 00:25:45,576 --> 00:25:47,874 they may find that an International Union 439 00:25:47,945 --> 00:25:48,877 isn't necessary, 440 00:25:48,946 --> 00:25:52,677 and all they need is a labor consultant from time to time. 441 00:26:00,057 --> 00:26:01,718 LEWIE: Now we have a situation 442 00:26:01,792 --> 00:26:07,025 where some of the people from Local 9 and Ray Rogers 443 00:26:07,098 --> 00:26:10,363 have a caravan roaming across the country, 444 00:26:10,434 --> 00:26:14,097 spieling out some of the most antiunion venom. 445 00:26:14,171 --> 00:26:17,800 JIM: Our caravan was designed to tell people what was going on 446 00:26:17,875 --> 00:26:20,207 from workers just like themselves. 447 00:26:20,278 --> 00:26:21,711 We had the facts. 448 00:26:21,779 --> 00:26:23,838 We had the information to back it up. 449 00:26:23,915 --> 00:26:26,543 We were gonna tell it to them, give it to them, 450 00:26:26,617 --> 00:26:29,051 read it to them, sing it, whatever it took. 451 00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:31,213 RAY: $100,000 expense account, 452 00:26:31,289 --> 00:26:34,349 and Lewie Anderson was making his $70,000-plus salary 453 00:26:34,425 --> 00:26:35,687 and his lavish expense account. 454 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,751 If you think when the public sees that 455 00:26:37,828 --> 00:26:39,523 that they understand the complexities 456 00:26:39,597 --> 00:26:42,691 of what's going on in Austin, Minnesota. 457 00:26:42,767 --> 00:26:44,792 All they see is 200 or 300 people 458 00:26:44,869 --> 00:26:46,962 screaming how the union is no good. 459 00:26:47,038 --> 00:26:48,972 We're not like some other locals. 460 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,907 Our membership told us they didn't want that agreement 461 00:26:51,976 --> 00:26:53,534 by a 76% vote. 462 00:26:53,611 --> 00:26:55,272 Get the Hormel chain settlement. 463 00:26:55,346 --> 00:26:57,246 Do you think the vice-president 464 00:26:57,315 --> 00:26:59,545 of an international union ought tell you 465 00:26:59,617 --> 00:27:00,879 you ought to take a concession 466 00:27:00,952 --> 00:27:04,115 with by far the most profitable company in an industry? 467 00:27:04,188 --> 00:27:07,385 LEWIE: Antiunionism is oozing out of our own ranks. 468 00:27:07,458 --> 00:27:10,427 That'll destroy us quicker than anything will. 469 00:27:20,738 --> 00:27:23,434 I know this is definitely a union-made tent. 470 00:27:23,507 --> 00:27:26,704 JIM: People who believe in what they're doing 471 00:27:26,777 --> 00:27:29,678 are the most dangerous kind of folks in the world. 472 00:27:29,747 --> 00:27:32,477 The union there. 52 in Monroe and this one. 473 00:27:32,550 --> 00:27:36,042 We'll go hit the banks, and then we'll go on to Ottumwa. 474 00:27:37,622 --> 00:27:39,988 MAN: I want to thank all you guys from P-9 475 00:27:40,057 --> 00:27:43,584 because you have performed a miracle 476 00:27:43,661 --> 00:27:46,129 for the Hormel employees of Ottumwa. 477 00:27:50,101 --> 00:27:51,762 I can look out in this crowd 478 00:27:51,836 --> 00:27:54,828 and see at least 40 guys and girls 479 00:27:54,905 --> 00:27:57,806 that down at work for the past seven years 480 00:27:57,875 --> 00:28:01,140 have looked like they were dead. 481 00:28:01,212 --> 00:28:05,273 And you have resurrected them to life. 482 00:28:07,652 --> 00:28:09,381 Hey, listen, thanks a lot. 483 00:28:09,453 --> 00:28:11,250 Good talking to you. 484 00:28:11,322 --> 00:28:14,382 JIM: We're creating a situation where the membership 485 00:28:14,458 --> 00:28:17,222 is starting to dictate to the leadership, 486 00:28:17,294 --> 00:28:22,061 "Support these guys because we believe in what they're doing." 487 00:28:22,133 --> 00:28:26,035 If making less money is so good, 488 00:28:26,103 --> 00:28:29,698 but people don't want to do it, why should they have to do it? 489 00:28:29,774 --> 00:28:30,638 [ Horn honking ] 490 00:28:30,708 --> 00:28:32,471 WOMAN: Hormel hot dogs 491 00:28:32,543 --> 00:28:35,444 We don't like Hormel and their hot dogs 492 00:28:35,513 --> 00:28:36,571 P-9 thanks you. 493 00:28:36,647 --> 00:28:38,615 We'll be back! 494 00:28:38,683 --> 00:28:40,412 Yeah! 495 00:28:47,425 --> 00:28:50,189 LEWIE: They have a machine in place to make you 496 00:28:50,261 --> 00:28:51,853 look like you don't know what you're talking about 497 00:28:51,929 --> 00:28:53,692 or carrying the company message. 498 00:28:53,764 --> 00:28:55,755 Rogers and Guyette, with their machine, 499 00:28:55,833 --> 00:28:58,734 have a firm grip on that situation. 500 00:28:58,803 --> 00:29:00,794 If you want to gain your union back, 501 00:29:00,871 --> 00:29:04,204 you're gonna have to recognize what you're up against. 502 00:29:04,275 --> 00:29:07,039 This meeting is somewhat clandestine in that 503 00:29:07,111 --> 00:29:09,443 if you're going to put together a committee, 504 00:29:09,513 --> 00:29:12,277 then you need time to get it off the ground 505 00:29:12,349 --> 00:29:14,840 without them branding you at this moment 506 00:29:14,919 --> 00:29:16,409 that the International is behind it. 507 00:29:16,487 --> 00:29:19,684 It started with four of us that met two weeks ago with Lewie. 508 00:29:19,757 --> 00:29:22,988 It started off with that group. We expanded to 16. 509 00:29:23,060 --> 00:29:25,858 Now we're going to go in a meeting here. 510 00:29:25,930 --> 00:29:30,299 All of us are gonna try to sing off the same sheet of music. 511 00:29:30,367 --> 00:29:32,631 Hopefully, you'll be able to go back to Austin. 512 00:29:32,703 --> 00:29:33,965 Once we get the ball rolling, 513 00:29:34,038 --> 00:29:36,370 we'll all be provided with information. 514 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,169 RAY: So when anybody is attacking 515 00:29:38,242 --> 00:29:39,971 what this campaign is doing, 516 00:29:40,044 --> 00:29:42,410 attacking anybody working in this group 517 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,573 and has done anything for this campaign, 518 00:29:44,648 --> 00:29:47,116 they're attacking every one of us. 519 00:29:47,184 --> 00:29:49,482 WOMAN: What are we doing that's so antiunion? 520 00:29:49,553 --> 00:29:54,513 I see more union people here and more support than I do anywhere. 521 00:29:54,592 --> 00:29:57,561 That's not antiunion. That's going forward. 522 00:29:57,628 --> 00:29:59,528 I want to be a union of the '80s. 523 00:30:04,502 --> 00:30:07,164 I want to welcome all our guests, 524 00:30:07,238 --> 00:30:10,969 visitors, friends, and everyone that is here today. 525 00:30:11,041 --> 00:30:13,509 We have representatives from the Hormel locals 526 00:30:13,577 --> 00:30:17,513 in Fremont, Beloit, Ottumwa. 527 00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:22,485 We've got our friends from Farmstead Foods and Albert Lea, 528 00:30:22,553 --> 00:30:25,647 steelworkers from the Iron Range, 529 00:30:25,723 --> 00:30:27,714 representatives from the Teamsters. 530 00:30:27,792 --> 00:30:30,124 Through good organization, good communications, 531 00:30:30,194 --> 00:30:32,253 we're able to wage a campaign 532 00:30:32,329 --> 00:30:34,661 that even the biggest unions in the country 533 00:30:34,732 --> 00:30:36,757 have not been able to wage. 534 00:30:36,834 --> 00:30:38,165 Are you willing to stand up and fight? 535 00:30:38,235 --> 00:30:39,293 CROWD: Yeah! 536 00:30:39,370 --> 00:30:41,930 Let's stand up! 537 00:30:42,006 --> 00:30:43,200 Give me a "W"! 538 00:30:43,274 --> 00:30:45,003 - "Give me an "I"! - "I"! 539 00:30:45,075 --> 00:30:46,633 - Give me an "N"! - "N"! 540 00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:48,678 - What do you got? - Win! 541 00:30:48,746 --> 00:30:50,213 We're gonna win it! 542 00:30:50,281 --> 00:30:52,215 - Yeah! - We're gonna win it! 543 00:30:52,283 --> 00:30:53,648 MAN: To some, he is a prophet. 544 00:30:53,717 --> 00:30:55,947 A messiah who has assembled the tools 545 00:30:56,020 --> 00:30:58,045 that can bring corporate giants to their knees. 546 00:30:58,122 --> 00:31:01,580 MAN: This man is a organizational genius. 547 00:31:01,659 --> 00:31:04,822 There's no getting around that. He's got all the bases covered. 548 00:31:04,895 --> 00:31:07,989 People are playing pool, they're getting together. 549 00:31:08,065 --> 00:31:10,533 There's a lot of things that are going on 550 00:31:10,601 --> 00:31:13,764 in that union hall that should have gone on years ago. 551 00:31:13,838 --> 00:31:16,966 He's kept the hands and minds busy of the people. 552 00:31:17,041 --> 00:31:19,032 MAN: Lewie Anderson is the Austin union's 553 00:31:19,109 --> 00:31:21,236 international vice-president in Washington. 554 00:31:21,312 --> 00:31:22,745 Our research has shown 555 00:31:22,813 --> 00:31:25,111 that Hormel could do more damage to First Bank 556 00:31:25,182 --> 00:31:26,877 by taking their money out 557 00:31:26,951 --> 00:31:29,044 than what First Bank could ever do to Hormel. 558 00:31:29,119 --> 00:31:30,882 Well, Lewie's lying. 559 00:31:30,955 --> 00:31:32,980 Okay, I want to say this very clear. 560 00:31:33,057 --> 00:31:34,581 Lewie is lying. 561 00:31:34,658 --> 00:31:37,354 I believe he looked at Hormel's history. 562 00:31:37,428 --> 00:31:38,690 He talked to some people, 563 00:31:38,762 --> 00:31:41,754 and he thought once he put a public campaign 564 00:31:41,832 --> 00:31:43,891 with the news media, they were gonna crumble. 565 00:31:43,968 --> 00:31:47,870 The strategy or the research, I should say, 566 00:31:47,938 --> 00:31:51,396 had about as much depth as piss on a flat rock. 567 00:31:52,209 --> 00:31:55,508 How much more damage has to be done before you figure out 568 00:31:55,579 --> 00:31:57,809 that that strategy is not working? 569 00:31:57,882 --> 00:31:58,576 Bull! 570 00:31:58,649 --> 00:32:00,514 I don't take anything away from Local 9 571 00:32:00,584 --> 00:32:01,983 in terms of rallying people. 572 00:32:02,052 --> 00:32:03,986 They've done a good job with it. 573 00:32:04,054 --> 00:32:05,646 But it's a doomed strategy. 574 00:32:05,723 --> 00:32:07,486 It was doomed from the beginning, 575 00:32:07,558 --> 00:32:09,423 and we tried to impress that on them. 576 00:32:09,493 --> 00:32:13,953 Being militant and standing up if you're on the wrong strategy 577 00:32:14,031 --> 00:32:15,328 doesn't make it right. 578 00:32:15,399 --> 00:32:17,560 People still end up getting hurt. 579 00:32:17,635 --> 00:32:19,535 Rates still continue to tumble. 580 00:32:19,603 --> 00:32:21,628 You don't have the luxury of saying, 581 00:32:21,705 --> 00:32:23,172 "At least we're fighting." 582 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,732 Because when you fight and it's over and you've lost everything, 583 00:32:26,810 --> 00:32:31,679 that's a terrible price to pay just to say that you were tough. 584 00:32:31,749 --> 00:32:34,240 What we're doing makes sense, and we believe in it. 585 00:32:34,318 --> 00:32:38,584 Belief is something that will carry you a long ways. 586 00:32:56,140 --> 00:32:57,471 NARRATOR: Hormel's proposal 587 00:32:57,542 --> 00:33:00,010 keeps a base wage frozen for three years 588 00:33:00,077 --> 00:33:01,977 at $10 per hour. 589 00:33:02,046 --> 00:33:07,348 And any new employees would be paid $2 less for the same work. 590 00:33:10,555 --> 00:33:13,080 Hormel's final offer is rejected 591 00:33:13,157 --> 00:33:16,490 by both the local union and the International. 592 00:33:16,561 --> 00:33:18,995 NYBERG: If we're faced with a situation 593 00:33:19,063 --> 00:33:22,726 where there is a withholding of labor on one side, 594 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,065 we could shut the plant down completely. 595 00:33:26,137 --> 00:33:27,832 We could try to run the plant 596 00:33:27,905 --> 00:33:30,874 with management employees on a reduced basis. 597 00:33:30,942 --> 00:33:33,342 We could hire temporary replacements 598 00:33:33,411 --> 00:33:36,574 for strikers who elect to stay out. 599 00:33:36,647 --> 00:33:38,672 We could hire permanent replacements 600 00:33:38,749 --> 00:33:42,549 for strikers who elect to stay out. 601 00:33:42,620 --> 00:33:46,021 Any combination of those things. 602 00:33:47,758 --> 00:33:51,319 We'll send the letter tonight, then. Right, Case? 603 00:33:51,395 --> 00:33:54,922 When we hand-deliver the letter, we're gonna be on strike, 604 00:33:54,999 --> 00:33:57,627 as of midnight on Friday. 605 00:33:58,970 --> 00:34:00,028 MAN: We'll tell them that. 606 00:34:00,104 --> 00:34:03,198 You want to get that set up in the main hall? 607 00:34:03,274 --> 00:34:04,571 RAY: You get your story here 608 00:34:04,642 --> 00:34:07,577 and make sure everybody hears about it. Really. 609 00:34:07,645 --> 00:34:09,476 Just go ahead. 610 00:34:10,147 --> 00:34:10,806 Aw, come on. 611 00:34:10,881 --> 00:34:12,542 Aw, this is your show. 612 00:34:12,617 --> 00:34:13,879 [ Cheering ] 613 00:34:13,951 --> 00:34:16,317 JIM: The Hormel company put us into a corner, 614 00:34:16,387 --> 00:34:18,321 and we were gonna come after them, 615 00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:20,482 like a fighter going into a fight. 616 00:34:20,558 --> 00:34:24,324 When you know you've trained about as well as you can, 617 00:34:24,395 --> 00:34:27,091 it's time to get the gloves on or take them off 618 00:34:27,164 --> 00:34:28,791 and do what you got to do. 619 00:34:28,866 --> 00:34:31,494 By over a 93% margin, 620 00:34:31,569 --> 00:34:35,335 the contract proposal termed by the company 621 00:34:35,406 --> 00:34:39,502 to be their last and final offer was rejected. 622 00:34:39,577 --> 00:34:43,013 So the Executive Board has met, and we intend 623 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,176 to give the company a 48-hour-working-day notice 624 00:34:47,251 --> 00:34:48,684 tonight before midnight. 625 00:34:48,753 --> 00:34:50,948 [ Cheers and applause ] 626 00:34:51,722 --> 00:34:54,282 For the first time in 52 years, 627 00:34:54,358 --> 00:34:59,022 Hormel's Austin plant was about to be shut down by a strike. 628 00:35:01,098 --> 00:35:03,293 You're looking pretty chipper today. 629 00:35:03,367 --> 00:35:05,130 - Hi, Bill. - Hiya, Jim. 630 00:35:05,202 --> 00:35:08,694 Too bad we can't meet under better circumstances. 631 00:35:08,773 --> 00:35:10,968 I need you to sign. 632 00:35:11,042 --> 00:35:13,704 In fact, if you want to sign a couple of them, you can. 633 00:35:17,048 --> 00:35:20,984 We got new pencils for everyone, just like the President. 634 00:35:21,052 --> 00:35:22,610 No, we don't. 635 00:35:22,687 --> 00:35:24,120 That's mine. 636 00:35:27,391 --> 00:35:29,723 - Okay, there you go, Jim. - Okay. Thanks. 637 00:35:32,029 --> 00:35:34,998 What may result from the Hormel workers' action 638 00:35:35,066 --> 00:35:37,193 is a test of just how much muscle 639 00:35:37,268 --> 00:35:40,328 organized labor can or cannot flex. 640 00:35:40,404 --> 00:35:43,862 Kevin Berger, Channel 5 Eyewitness News, St. Paul. 641 00:35:53,250 --> 00:35:55,548 NYBERG: I think it is tragic. 642 00:35:55,619 --> 00:35:58,486 We were hoping that some resolve would be reached, 643 00:35:58,556 --> 00:36:02,117 so that this community and certainly our employees 644 00:36:02,193 --> 00:36:04,787 wouldn't have to go through what we're facing. 645 00:36:04,862 --> 00:36:06,853 We've done everything humanly possible 646 00:36:06,931 --> 00:36:09,957 to resolve this thing on reasonable terms. 647 00:36:10,034 --> 00:36:12,434 But we aren't going to resolve this dispute 648 00:36:12,503 --> 00:36:13,470 on unreasonable terms. 649 00:36:13,537 --> 00:36:15,630 JIM: The company's strategy is a clear one. 650 00:36:15,706 --> 00:36:17,765 They want to freeze us out. 651 00:36:17,842 --> 00:36:20,140 They want to starve us out. 652 00:36:20,211 --> 00:36:25,979 And I think the motto that we at Local 9 have is best exemplified 653 00:36:26,050 --> 00:36:30,146 in one of Bruce Springsteen's latest songs. 654 00:36:30,221 --> 00:36:34,419 "We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember. 655 00:36:34,492 --> 00:36:37,120 No retreat and no surrender." 656 00:36:37,194 --> 00:36:40,823 And I think that the fact that these people are here today 657 00:36:40,898 --> 00:36:43,992 helping us so that the company can't starve us out 658 00:36:44,068 --> 00:36:47,401 is certainly a giant push well on the way 659 00:36:47,471 --> 00:36:50,998 to let this company know that we are not about to surrender. 660 00:36:53,944 --> 00:36:55,639 - Hi. - Hi. 661 00:36:56,213 --> 00:36:57,305 Hi. 662 00:37:04,655 --> 00:37:06,816 What we started is something 663 00:37:06,891 --> 00:37:12,193 that's gonna be more than maybe what we thought. 664 00:37:12,263 --> 00:37:16,165 I see people working together, people willing to share, 665 00:37:16,233 --> 00:37:17,632 people borrowing clothes. 666 00:37:17,701 --> 00:37:20,761 I see people opening up. I see people crying. 667 00:37:20,838 --> 00:37:24,239 It's just a whole new part of people, 668 00:37:24,308 --> 00:37:25,969 and we're pulling together. 669 00:37:26,043 --> 00:37:27,704 You know, we're a big family. 670 00:37:27,778 --> 00:37:29,837 Just so it doesn't. 671 00:37:29,914 --> 00:37:33,179 If it takes too long, people are gonna get short on cash. 672 00:37:33,250 --> 00:37:35,878 Then they're gonna feel the squeeze really bad. 673 00:37:35,953 --> 00:37:41,323 My kid five weeks ago got his finger in the door at home. 674 00:37:41,392 --> 00:37:43,121 Just one of those freak accidents. 675 00:37:43,194 --> 00:37:45,560 Went in and had three stitches. 120 bucks. 676 00:37:45,629 --> 00:37:48,189 There went half of my paycheck. 677 00:37:49,033 --> 00:37:52,161 This money is to be used for food 678 00:37:52,236 --> 00:37:54,727 for the people of Local P-9. 679 00:37:59,910 --> 00:38:01,673 I can't even add. 680 00:38:03,247 --> 00:38:05,477 I can't even add. 681 00:38:05,549 --> 00:38:08,882 One thousand... 682 00:38:08,953 --> 00:38:10,352 One hundred... 683 00:38:16,193 --> 00:38:18,286 Forty-nine dollars! 684 00:38:19,463 --> 00:38:21,021 Almost $1,050. 685 00:38:21,098 --> 00:38:22,622 And they're not done yet. 686 00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:26,295 Take it in brotherhood. Spirit. 687 00:38:26,370 --> 00:38:30,830 JIM: This money will be very much needed by our membership. 688 00:38:30,908 --> 00:38:33,706 And I thank you from the bottom of my heart. 689 00:38:41,585 --> 00:38:44,816 Hey, Joe. They lost their power over there. 690 00:38:44,889 --> 00:38:47,858 JIM: Our union hall became a fun place to be at. 691 00:38:47,925 --> 00:38:50,553 There was a lot of things going on. 692 00:38:50,628 --> 00:38:54,496 It became a place where families could come. 693 00:38:54,565 --> 00:38:57,363 We had a lot of folks who liked to work on cars. 694 00:38:57,434 --> 00:39:00,995 Instead of pulling picket duty, they fixed our cars. 695 00:39:03,507 --> 00:39:06,101 We had carpenters who fixed people's homes. 696 00:39:06,176 --> 00:39:09,475 They did what they liked to do. They did their hobbies. 697 00:39:19,823 --> 00:39:21,950 I asked Guyette, 698 00:39:22,026 --> 00:39:24,426 "Tell me where Corporate Campaign is today, 699 00:39:24,495 --> 00:39:27,191 where it's going next week and the following weeks 700 00:39:27,264 --> 00:39:29,255 and relate that to how we're getting back 701 00:39:29,333 --> 00:39:30,300 into the packinghouse." 702 00:39:30,367 --> 00:39:32,494 All they did is the same old gibberish. 703 00:39:32,570 --> 00:39:34,470 "We've got a group. We're gaining support. 704 00:39:34,538 --> 00:39:35,835 We got money coming in." 705 00:39:35,906 --> 00:39:37,601 They start with this gibberish, and you say, 706 00:39:37,675 --> 00:39:39,074 "l didn't ask you that." 707 00:39:39,143 --> 00:39:40,633 "Let him speak!" 708 00:39:40,711 --> 00:39:43,544 Then Rogers gets into his filibuster. 709 00:39:43,614 --> 00:39:46,811 Then all of a sudden, it's, "boom." "Next question." 710 00:39:46,884 --> 00:39:48,374 "I was in Ottumwa, 711 00:39:48,452 --> 00:39:50,920 and the guys there were patting me on the back." 712 00:39:50,988 --> 00:39:53,013 This guy gets it, and he talks for 10 or 15 minutes. 713 00:39:53,090 --> 00:39:55,320 LEWIE: When he gets up to start his filibuster, 714 00:39:55,392 --> 00:39:57,656 you got to have 7, 8, 9, 10 people say, 715 00:39:57,728 --> 00:39:59,821 "Tell me how you're gonna get the jobs back. 716 00:39:59,897 --> 00:40:01,660 Tell me how you're gonna get a contract." 717 00:40:01,732 --> 00:40:03,597 You got to keep pounding into him, 718 00:40:03,667 --> 00:40:07,103 "Where are you as far as settling this thing?" 719 00:40:07,171 --> 00:40:08,832 You got some maniacs up there 720 00:40:08,906 --> 00:40:11,739 in the leadership position and a maniac in Rogers, 721 00:40:11,809 --> 00:40:12,643 who has yet to do one positive thing. 722 00:40:12,643 --> 00:40:15,009 who has yet to do one positive thing. 723 00:40:19,149 --> 00:40:22,050 We can't be jacking around here forever. 724 00:40:23,420 --> 00:40:26,355 This is a mess. That's what I'm saying. 725 00:40:26,423 --> 00:40:32,157 Employees shall receive as normal 40 hours' pay. 726 00:40:33,563 --> 00:40:35,030 Vacation pay shall consist 727 00:40:35,098 --> 00:40:39,034 of an employee's normal 40-hour weekly check. 728 00:40:39,102 --> 00:40:41,502 - Yeah. That's good enough. - Good. 729 00:40:43,173 --> 00:40:46,768 JIM: Normally, the National Union managed negotiations. 730 00:40:46,843 --> 00:40:50,540 However, in this particular situation, our national union 731 00:40:50,614 --> 00:40:52,946 was spearheading a concessionary drive, 732 00:40:53,016 --> 00:40:57,043 and we didn't want a concessionary contract. 733 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:01,489 Therefore, our national union was told, "Get out of the way. 734 00:41:01,558 --> 00:41:04,186 We'll deal with our own negotiations." 735 00:41:04,261 --> 00:41:06,092 It don't mean anything. 736 00:41:07,230 --> 00:41:09,323 NYBERG: When the union made a proposal 737 00:41:09,399 --> 00:41:11,526 that we thought was outrageous, 738 00:41:11,601 --> 00:41:15,128 what we had to do is come back with a proposal of our own. 739 00:41:15,205 --> 00:41:18,003 Instead of just basing it blindly on the old contract, 740 00:41:18,075 --> 00:41:20,202 we looked at every provision of that agreement and said, 741 00:41:20,277 --> 00:41:21,710 "What would make sense here?" 742 00:41:21,778 --> 00:41:23,211 WOMAN: Who's gonna pay for that? 743 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,838 MAN: The company. 744 00:41:24,915 --> 00:41:26,507 What is it? 745 00:41:26,583 --> 00:41:28,346 Joint Management Labor. 746 00:41:28,418 --> 00:41:30,818 LEWIE: Any seasoned, experienced negotiator 747 00:41:30,887 --> 00:41:34,482 knows you don't rewrite your whole contract. 748 00:41:36,293 --> 00:41:39,285 You don't throw your whole contract up for grabs. 749 00:41:39,362 --> 00:41:41,523 You don't give the company the opportunity 750 00:41:41,598 --> 00:41:45,432 to dismantle your contract because you rewrote it. 751 00:41:46,536 --> 00:41:48,868 But that's exactly what the P-9 leadership did. 752 00:41:48,939 --> 00:41:50,998 They rewrote a whole contract. 753 00:41:51,074 --> 00:41:53,872 Language it has taken 40 years to negotiate, 754 00:41:53,944 --> 00:41:56,777 language that provides the local union to have a say 755 00:41:56,847 --> 00:41:59,714 in how the goddamn plant is run. 756 00:41:59,783 --> 00:42:01,683 When management got done with that contract, 757 00:42:01,752 --> 00:42:03,310 those things didn't exist. 758 00:42:03,386 --> 00:42:07,686 And I'm speaking to 40 years of bargaining gone as a result 759 00:42:07,758 --> 00:42:10,318 of these assholes rewriting that whole contract 760 00:42:10,393 --> 00:42:12,054 and submitting it to the company. 761 00:42:44,795 --> 00:42:48,925 Being a negotiator requires a lot of different skills, 762 00:42:48,999 --> 00:42:52,526 especially in an industry that's in turmoil, like this one. 763 00:42:52,602 --> 00:42:55,537 Nobody likes to have their wages and benefits rolled back. 764 00:42:55,605 --> 00:42:59,200 And it's unconscionable to put out this proposal 765 00:42:59,276 --> 00:43:02,006 after all the concessions these workers made. 766 00:43:02,078 --> 00:43:03,477 What's your reaction? 767 00:43:03,547 --> 00:43:06,277 - What's next? - No further comments on that. 768 00:43:09,186 --> 00:43:12,155 LEWIE: All I can do is take a peek at their vaults 769 00:43:12,222 --> 00:43:13,280 and see if there's any money. 770 00:43:13,356 --> 00:43:14,755 If there is, we all run in there, 771 00:43:14,825 --> 00:43:19,285 we grab as much of it as we can, and we get the hell out. 772 00:43:19,362 --> 00:43:21,990 Negotiations have broke off. 773 00:43:22,065 --> 00:43:24,158 There are no further meetings scheduled. 774 00:43:24,234 --> 00:43:26,225 LEWIE: That's pure, unadulterated bullshit! 775 00:43:26,303 --> 00:43:28,737 What's holding up a contract settlement 776 00:43:28,805 --> 00:43:31,535 is that these bastards won't give you a decent wage! 777 00:43:31,608 --> 00:43:33,508 That's what holding up the settlement! 778 00:43:33,577 --> 00:43:36,171 Send your bargaining committee to Chicago 779 00:43:36,246 --> 00:43:38,840 with a vote of confidence that supports them 780 00:43:38,915 --> 00:43:40,883 and tells the company to stick their proposal 781 00:43:40,951 --> 00:43:43,852 where the sun don't shine and give us a decent contract! 782 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,353 Thank you very much. 783 00:43:45,422 --> 00:43:47,856 JIM: Sometimes you have to fire the people up 784 00:43:47,924 --> 00:43:49,858 to send a clear message to management 785 00:43:49,926 --> 00:43:53,020 that the workers are really ticked off. 786 00:43:53,096 --> 00:43:55,530 That they not only want what's right, 787 00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:58,591 they want more than what's right. 788 00:43:58,668 --> 00:44:02,126 You better be prepared to give a lot back that was taken away! 789 00:44:02,205 --> 00:44:04,799 Or you four can start looking for another job! 790 00:44:04,875 --> 00:44:06,274 You want to come back to these meetings? 791 00:44:06,343 --> 00:44:09,471 I worked out in that plant, and I busted my ass for you 792 00:44:09,546 --> 00:44:11,480 for over 18 years on production. 793 00:44:11,548 --> 00:44:13,641 All of a sudden, you put the hammer down, 794 00:44:13,717 --> 00:44:15,651 and we go from our $10.69 795 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,780 down to $6.50 to walk back in that plant on a Monday. 796 00:44:19,856 --> 00:44:23,758 You want to come back? You keep your mouth shut, okay? 797 00:44:23,827 --> 00:44:25,920 You don't know what you're talking about! 798 00:44:25,996 --> 00:44:27,361 I won't take it anymore! 799 00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:30,194 I won't have the courtesy of letting you ask questions. 800 00:44:30,267 --> 00:44:32,929 I'll walk out the next time you open your mouth. 801 00:44:43,813 --> 00:44:48,375 LEWIE: The more that the membership seems unreasonable, 802 00:44:48,451 --> 00:44:51,682 the more the bargaining committee seems unreasonable, 803 00:44:51,755 --> 00:44:53,279 the tougher they are... 804 00:44:54,624 --> 00:44:55,818 Hello. 805 00:44:55,892 --> 00:44:58,360 LEWIE: The more the employer has to rely on you 806 00:44:58,428 --> 00:45:02,626 as the negotiator, because you're the one, supposedly, 807 00:45:02,699 --> 00:45:05,361 that has to make common sense prevail. 808 00:45:05,435 --> 00:45:07,960 I'd like to carve out numbers one and two 809 00:45:08,038 --> 00:45:09,801 and continue to talk with you 810 00:45:09,873 --> 00:45:11,170 to see if there's something we can do, 811 00:45:11,241 --> 00:45:12,640 but I haven't come up with anything. 812 00:45:12,709 --> 00:45:15,200 LEWIE: You only do that once you have extracted the maximum 813 00:45:15,278 --> 00:45:17,041 from that employer. 814 00:45:19,883 --> 00:45:22,511 And then you let the membership decide. 815 00:45:22,585 --> 00:45:24,644 [ Crowd booing ] 816 00:45:31,895 --> 00:45:34,022 They stole my check! 817 00:45:35,432 --> 00:45:38,162 LEWIE: That's a danger when you fire the troops up, 818 00:45:38,234 --> 00:45:40,759 is that you get their expectations so high 819 00:45:40,837 --> 00:45:43,533 and they believe those expectations can be met. 820 00:45:43,606 --> 00:45:44,538 If you don't meet them, 821 00:45:44,607 --> 00:45:46,666 they believe you haven't done your job 822 00:45:46,743 --> 00:45:48,734 and may believe you sold them out. 823 00:45:48,812 --> 00:45:51,178 We can't afford to go backwards anymore. 824 00:45:51,247 --> 00:45:53,010 We've went back far enough. 825 00:45:53,083 --> 00:45:55,017 We work too goddamn hard down there 826 00:45:55,085 --> 00:45:57,383 to have to go backwards anymore. 827 00:45:57,454 --> 00:45:58,512 I say, "Fuck them." 828 00:45:58,588 --> 00:46:01,352 If they want to close it down, let them close it. 829 00:46:01,424 --> 00:46:03,255 We can all find something else. 830 00:46:03,326 --> 00:46:04,725 We're decent human beings, 831 00:46:04,794 --> 00:46:07,126 and we deserve every damn thing we get. 832 00:46:07,197 --> 00:46:09,290 LEWIE: If you take workers who feel 833 00:46:09,366 --> 00:46:13,166 that they're been mistreated or misused, 834 00:46:13,236 --> 00:46:15,136 they want to get at the heart of the matter. 835 00:46:15,205 --> 00:46:17,173 They want to get to that employer. 836 00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:18,969 It's their obligation to give it to us. 837 00:46:19,042 --> 00:46:22,671 If they don't want to, then piss on them. Let them go. 838 00:46:28,885 --> 00:46:32,651 Look, between both of you, you want a strike. 839 00:46:32,722 --> 00:46:34,986 You keep snapping at everything for one. 840 00:46:35,058 --> 00:46:37,993 - lf you want one. - MAN: Some results, Lewie. 841 00:46:38,061 --> 00:46:39,551 You think it's us? 842 00:46:39,629 --> 00:46:43,292 I can't deliver, and I don't intend to carry this on. 843 00:46:43,366 --> 00:46:46,665 I can't deliver something that's not there at this time. 844 00:46:46,736 --> 00:46:50,331 I've been banging around. 845 00:46:50,407 --> 00:46:54,002 Quit looking for somebody to run in with a fucking white horse! 846 00:46:54,077 --> 00:46:57,638 You don't even know what negotiations is all about, 847 00:46:57,714 --> 00:46:59,682 and you act like you know everything! 848 00:46:59,749 --> 00:47:03,378 I did not come here and act like I know everything, Lewie! 849 00:47:03,453 --> 00:47:06,251 Our members are asking for some answers, Lewie! 850 00:47:06,322 --> 00:47:08,085 Give your members some answers! 851 00:47:08,158 --> 00:47:10,285 Don't lay the shit on me! 852 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,227 The easiest goddamn thing to do is blame somebody 853 00:47:13,296 --> 00:47:15,764 for the problem you're in! 854 00:47:15,832 --> 00:47:18,960 We didn't blame you for the problem we're in. 855 00:47:19,035 --> 00:47:22,163 LEWIE: The biggest and most powerful threat that you have 856 00:47:22,238 --> 00:47:24,706 is the threat of a strike. 857 00:47:24,774 --> 00:47:28,301 When you actually have to use the strike, 858 00:47:28,378 --> 00:47:31,575 then you are going into an all-out war. 859 00:47:31,648 --> 00:47:33,980 And you have to pick your fights. 860 00:47:34,050 --> 00:47:37,281 If I get emotional. I seem tired about this. 861 00:47:37,353 --> 00:47:41,483 This is not jerk-off time. This is serious business. 862 00:47:41,558 --> 00:47:44,550 You better be able to inflict some economic damage 863 00:47:44,627 --> 00:47:45,594 on that employer. 864 00:47:45,662 --> 00:47:48,096 If you cannot get into his pockets 865 00:47:48,164 --> 00:47:52,362 and take a lot of money out and make the employer understand 866 00:47:52,435 --> 00:47:55,734 that it's better to settle than it is to fight, 867 00:47:55,805 --> 00:47:58,740 then the employer will crush you. 868 00:48:18,028 --> 00:48:21,122 Hormel's production has not been stopped. 869 00:48:24,034 --> 00:48:26,969 The company shifted production to their other plants 870 00:48:27,037 --> 00:48:29,267 that are still in operation. 871 00:48:39,717 --> 00:48:42,811 In Austin, they are using their own management personnel 872 00:48:42,887 --> 00:48:46,584 to turn out thousands of cans of Spam a day. 873 00:49:01,038 --> 00:49:03,871 MAN: It's got to be blatantly obvious to everyone 874 00:49:03,941 --> 00:49:06,307 that this company doesn't want a contract. 875 00:49:06,377 --> 00:49:08,174 MAN #2: We're at the crossroads. 876 00:49:08,245 --> 00:49:09,405 JIM: I want to win. 877 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,210 MAN: I don't think there's a guy who don't want to win. 878 00:49:12,283 --> 00:49:16,185 That's no excuse for doing something you shouldn't. 879 00:49:16,253 --> 00:49:17,515 All I'm saying is, 880 00:49:17,588 --> 00:49:21,046 whatever it takes to win, I want to do it. 881 00:49:23,093 --> 00:49:25,254 LEWIE: That, potentially, is a time bomb 882 00:49:25,329 --> 00:49:27,854 that can blow up in all of our faces. 883 00:49:27,932 --> 00:49:30,230 The company is gonna end up forcing a settlement 884 00:49:30,301 --> 00:49:31,791 on those people out there. 885 00:49:31,869 --> 00:49:34,497 That is gonna be way under the Hormel chain settlement 886 00:49:34,572 --> 00:49:36,904 and under the Oscar Mayer settlement. 887 00:49:36,974 --> 00:49:40,341 Here you're gonna have this big company, very profitable, 888 00:49:40,411 --> 00:49:42,402 that has got a substandard agreement 889 00:49:42,479 --> 00:49:46,176 that's gonna tear the shit out of our rates in the industry. 890 00:49:46,250 --> 00:49:47,842 We are gonna negotiate shit 891 00:49:47,918 --> 00:49:50,853 if they get stuck with a bad settlement up there. 892 00:49:54,191 --> 00:49:55,818 MAN: You people are believing 893 00:49:55,893 --> 00:49:58,987 that we've got the power to get them to the table. 894 00:49:59,563 --> 00:50:01,292 It is my assessment 895 00:50:01,365 --> 00:50:04,357 that the reason that we have been unsuccessful, 896 00:50:04,435 --> 00:50:07,996 the reason that our strategy hasn't worked, 897 00:50:08,072 --> 00:50:11,473 the reason that we've gone to a 4-1/2-month strike, 898 00:50:11,542 --> 00:50:13,669 is simply that very issue. 899 00:50:13,744 --> 00:50:15,735 We don't have the strength to get them there. 900 00:50:15,813 --> 00:50:19,305 The division that some have tried to create here 901 00:50:19,383 --> 00:50:21,146 has been to our downfall. 902 00:50:21,218 --> 00:50:24,312 And I just wish that we could act concerted. 903 00:50:24,388 --> 00:50:28,290 The fact is, I think we all realize right now 904 00:50:28,359 --> 00:50:32,420 the company is in a very solid and very legal position 905 00:50:32,496 --> 00:50:34,930 to start that packinghouse up without us 906 00:50:34,999 --> 00:50:37,331 if we don't go back to work. 907 00:50:37,401 --> 00:50:41,701 Now, I think that the rank and file here has been misled 908 00:50:41,772 --> 00:50:44,104 in understanding this company's position. 909 00:50:44,174 --> 00:50:49,476 The problem is, Jim, the company isn't gonna talk to you, period. 910 00:50:49,546 --> 00:50:51,514 They've got a grudge against you. 911 00:50:51,582 --> 00:50:53,049 You probably got a grudge against them. 912 00:50:53,117 --> 00:50:57,850 And I don't care if we offer to go back for 5 bucks an hour. 913 00:50:57,921 --> 00:50:59,479 The company ain't gonna talk to you. 914 00:50:59,556 --> 00:51:01,683 Why don't you talk to them? 915 00:51:01,759 --> 00:51:05,251 Because I'm not part of the negotiating board. That's why. 916 00:51:05,329 --> 00:51:06,921 WOMAN: You're out of order! 917 00:51:06,997 --> 00:51:10,660 Hey, you can rule me out of order all you want. 918 00:51:10,734 --> 00:51:12,463 I'm gonna tell you one thing. 919 00:51:12,536 --> 00:51:14,128 Rule me out of order all you want. 920 00:51:14,204 --> 00:51:16,001 JIM: Security? 921 00:51:16,073 --> 00:51:18,041 Did you call 911? 922 00:51:18,108 --> 00:51:21,134 Get them in here. Get them in here. 923 00:51:27,384 --> 00:51:29,648 MAN: Will you sit down? 924 00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:32,689 What the hell is the matter with you? 925 00:51:32,756 --> 00:51:35,088 Back off, you guys! 926 00:51:35,159 --> 00:51:37,627 I relent! 927 00:51:37,695 --> 00:51:39,287 If you have come to fight 928 00:51:39,363 --> 00:51:41,661 and not get any damn answers, continue! 929 00:51:41,732 --> 00:51:44,166 Otherwise, sit down! 930 00:51:45,569 --> 00:51:48,003 It's a union meeting! 931 00:51:48,072 --> 00:51:50,666 We have said until we're blue in the face. 932 00:51:50,741 --> 00:51:52,766 I don't know how we say it again. 933 00:51:52,843 --> 00:51:55,209 We have gone as far as we're going to go. 934 00:51:55,279 --> 00:51:57,042 If you want to go into negotiations 935 00:51:57,114 --> 00:52:00,208 and that means you're going to get more and more, no. 936 00:52:00,284 --> 00:52:03,014 We're not going to give any more. 937 00:52:03,087 --> 00:52:05,180 10 bucks. 938 00:52:05,255 --> 00:52:07,348 They don't even want to talk about it anymore? 939 00:52:07,424 --> 00:52:09,517 - Nope. - Other than asking questions. 940 00:52:09,593 --> 00:52:11,561 Yep. 941 00:52:11,628 --> 00:52:13,755 There's no bargaining whatsoever? 942 00:52:15,699 --> 00:52:18,896 You think you're winning. I don't think you're winning. 943 00:52:18,969 --> 00:52:21,995 The company, I don't think, thinks you're winning. 944 00:52:22,072 --> 00:52:25,371 You're at war, they're at war, and they're not giving in. 945 00:52:41,759 --> 00:52:46,594 The contract that you work under is your decision alone. 946 00:52:46,663 --> 00:52:50,099 The Executive Board has recommended rejection. 947 00:52:51,735 --> 00:52:55,671 I have a family like you have. 948 00:52:55,739 --> 00:52:58,207 And I want to be able to say to them, 949 00:52:58,275 --> 00:52:59,936 as Hubert Humphrey said, 950 00:53:00,010 --> 00:53:02,604 "I'd rather live 50 years like a tiger 951 00:53:02,679 --> 00:53:05,580 than 100 years like a chicken. " 952 00:53:32,508 --> 00:53:36,274 NYBERG: We've got a $100 million plant that needs to be run. 953 00:53:36,346 --> 00:53:38,473 We're taking applications tomorrow 954 00:53:38,548 --> 00:53:41,449 from people that want to work in that plant. 955 00:53:41,517 --> 00:53:43,246 And if Local P-9 says, 956 00:53:43,319 --> 00:53:46,186 "We are going to continue to withhold our labor," 957 00:53:46,255 --> 00:53:48,348 now the process is underway. 958 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,988 The union will have rights to their jobs 959 00:53:53,062 --> 00:53:55,622 until they've been permanently replaced. 960 00:54:19,756 --> 00:54:21,781 No bills today. 961 00:54:29,766 --> 00:54:34,100 When you got a place like this, we got 4-3/4 acres and house 962 00:54:34,170 --> 00:54:35,797 and lived here seven years. 963 00:54:35,872 --> 00:54:40,275 And payments are, you know, a couple hundred dollars a month. 964 00:54:40,343 --> 00:54:43,676 I got a wife and three kids, and I love them. 965 00:54:44,547 --> 00:54:46,742 They'll understand later. 966 00:54:46,816 --> 00:54:50,343 If it comes down to losing this place, we'll survive, 967 00:54:50,420 --> 00:54:52,684 just like a lot of people. 968 00:54:53,389 --> 00:54:54,981 I got to give R.J. credit. 969 00:54:55,058 --> 00:54:58,516 At least he made a stand, you know. 970 00:54:58,594 --> 00:55:02,257 He put himself on one side or the other. 971 00:55:02,331 --> 00:55:05,698 I'm on the side that's commonly referred to as the P-10ers. 972 00:55:05,768 --> 00:55:07,235 That was my choice. 973 00:55:07,303 --> 00:55:12,468 R.J. decided he wanted to follow Ray Rogers and Jim Guyette. 974 00:55:12,542 --> 00:55:15,067 It's a hard decision to make for some people, 975 00:55:15,144 --> 00:55:18,739 but it wasn't for me when we took that strike vote. 976 00:55:18,815 --> 00:55:21,613 Go out there and be willing to give up things 977 00:55:21,684 --> 00:55:24,312 and make things better for us workers 978 00:55:24,387 --> 00:55:27,322 and workers around the United States, union people. 979 00:55:27,390 --> 00:55:29,585 We're tired of going backwards. 980 00:55:30,460 --> 00:55:33,691 But then you have to look at the rest of the economy. 981 00:55:33,763 --> 00:55:36,391 Throughout the nation, that's what's happening. 982 00:55:36,466 --> 00:55:39,230 And I guess maybe you have to swallow hard, 983 00:55:39,302 --> 00:55:41,896 but if you want a job... 984 00:55:45,241 --> 00:55:48,642 You're gonna have to take it, I guess, a little bit. 985 00:55:50,713 --> 00:55:54,376 NARRATOR: So, are you having problems with your brother? 986 00:55:54,450 --> 00:55:57,112 Oh, I won't have any problems, really, 987 00:55:57,186 --> 00:56:00,849 until he crosses that line, to scab. 988 00:56:02,158 --> 00:56:03,591 There's nothing worse than a scab, 989 00:56:03,659 --> 00:56:06,389 so how can you have anything to do with a scab? 990 00:56:06,462 --> 00:56:10,421 You guys have been giving in and giving in for 23 years. 991 00:56:11,434 --> 00:56:14,426 And we got unions all over the country watching us, 992 00:56:14,504 --> 00:56:15,766 counting on us. 993 00:56:15,838 --> 00:56:17,931 People are counting on us. 994 00:56:18,007 --> 00:56:19,099 RON: To hell with them. 995 00:56:19,175 --> 00:56:22,576 You know, we got 1,400 workers here. 996 00:56:22,645 --> 00:56:26,411 We got thousands of people counting on us 997 00:56:26,482 --> 00:56:29,349 And sending in money, you know. 998 00:56:29,418 --> 00:56:31,318 But it's our job. It's not theirs. 999 00:56:31,387 --> 00:56:33,981 We knew this strike was coming. 1000 00:56:34,056 --> 00:56:36,081 We should've avoided it. 1001 00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:37,456 They didn't want to talk. 1002 00:56:37,527 --> 00:56:41,054 The International said, "It's ill-advised. 1003 00:56:41,130 --> 00:56:42,791 You're on a suicide mission." 1004 00:56:42,865 --> 00:56:44,457 They told us that. 1005 00:57:18,701 --> 00:57:21,261 MAN: So far, I think I've seen about five. 1006 00:57:21,337 --> 00:57:23,931 Let's see one, two... 1007 00:57:24,006 --> 00:57:25,496 Three, four... 1008 00:57:27,677 --> 00:57:30,805 Five, six... 1009 00:57:32,481 --> 00:57:34,472 I think I've seen seven. 1010 00:57:40,223 --> 00:57:42,088 I had to come today. 1011 00:57:43,259 --> 00:57:44,817 I had to know what it'd be like to see people 1012 00:57:44,894 --> 00:57:48,091 coming into the place that I spent my whole life in, 1013 00:57:48,164 --> 00:57:50,155 going in and doing my job. 1014 00:57:51,367 --> 00:57:54,825 It's really, really hard to watch this happen. 1015 00:58:10,153 --> 00:58:13,611 I'm never gonna let myself get in a position like this again, 1016 00:58:13,689 --> 00:58:16,556 where a group of a minority of assholes 1017 00:58:16,626 --> 00:58:19,356 dictate how I handle the rest of my life. 1018 00:58:19,429 --> 00:58:21,363 Sometimes ignorance is bliss. 1019 00:58:21,431 --> 00:58:23,592 I'll tell you there will be no blocking 1020 00:58:23,666 --> 00:58:25,258 of the ingress and egress of that plant. 1021 00:58:25,334 --> 00:58:27,359 That plant will operate. 1022 00:58:27,437 --> 00:58:30,895 The state police will come down on them and crush them. 1023 00:58:30,973 --> 00:58:33,441 You can't win that fight there. 1024 00:58:33,509 --> 00:58:34,999 If the police can't do it, 1025 00:58:35,077 --> 00:58:37,671 then they'll bring the National Guard in. 1026 00:58:37,747 --> 00:58:40,614 That will demoralize the piss out of them. 1027 00:58:40,683 --> 00:58:41,843 They'll be standing there, 1028 00:58:41,918 --> 00:58:44,614 3 people every 50 feet with their dick in their hands, 1029 00:58:44,687 --> 00:58:46,484 watching people take their jobs. 1030 00:58:46,556 --> 00:58:48,786 Now, that is very demoralizing. 1031 00:58:48,858 --> 00:58:50,291 [ Laughter ] 1032 00:58:50,359 --> 00:58:51,621 All right! 1033 00:58:51,694 --> 00:58:55,130 Look, you got to do it and be effective. 1034 00:58:55,198 --> 00:58:56,893 MAN: I'd like to know how many people 1035 00:58:56,966 --> 00:58:59,127 think they could get up at 3:30, 4:00, 1036 00:58:59,202 --> 00:59:02,433 whenever the traffic comes in, and do it. 1037 00:59:02,505 --> 00:59:03,802 I'm ready right now. 1038 00:59:03,873 --> 00:59:07,809 All right, then let's do it Friday morning! 1039 00:59:07,877 --> 00:59:08,639 Let's do it! 1040 00:59:08,711 --> 00:59:11,236 Then we'll see you at 4:00 in the morning! 1041 00:59:11,314 --> 00:59:13,282 [ Cheers and applause ] 1042 00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:15,340 [ Car horns honking ] 1043 00:59:22,191 --> 00:59:25,592 MAN ON RADIO: We might mention, if you are driving in the area, 1044 00:59:25,661 --> 00:59:28,721 you will be diverted away from the plant, westbound. 1045 00:59:28,798 --> 00:59:31,665 If you're moving up the east side of the Hormel plant, 1046 00:59:31,734 --> 00:59:36,467 you will be asked to turn your car around and go back. 1047 00:59:36,539 --> 00:59:38,973 MAN #2: We just heard from the Austin Law Enforcement Center 1048 00:59:39,041 --> 00:59:43,068 that all the roads surrounding the Hormel company itself 1049 00:59:43,145 --> 00:59:44,442 have been blocked off. 1050 00:59:44,514 --> 00:59:48,143 MAN #3: We'll get further reports, Dan-o. Thank you. 1051 00:59:48,217 --> 00:59:50,811 One thing we should probably tell everybody. 1052 00:59:50,887 --> 00:59:55,119 If the police ask who's in charge, nobody's in charge. 1053 00:59:55,191 --> 00:59:56,283 Nobody's in charge. 1054 00:59:56,359 --> 00:59:57,792 No one's in charge! 1055 00:59:57,860 --> 00:59:59,987 It's cold out today. God! 1056 01:00:00,062 --> 01:00:02,826 There's gonna be a lot of cars that's gonna freeze up. 1057 01:00:02,899 --> 01:00:06,960 If anybody comes, the police come and ask who's in charge, 1058 01:00:07,036 --> 01:00:09,163 there's no one in charge! 1059 01:00:09,238 --> 01:00:12,503 There just happens to be a breakdown and a traffic jam. 1060 01:00:12,575 --> 01:00:14,770 So there's nobody in charge here! 1061 01:00:14,844 --> 01:00:18,177 MAN: If there's any interference with our police duties, 1062 01:00:18,247 --> 01:00:20,772 we do not want to make arrests. 1063 01:00:24,887 --> 01:00:27,651 WOMAN: I lost eight hours' pay today because of that. 1064 01:00:27,723 --> 01:00:30,487 [ Crowd groaning ] 1065 01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,790 And while that might not seem like a lot 1066 01:00:32,862 --> 01:00:35,854 to the P-9 members who have been on strike for 5 months, 1067 01:00:35,932 --> 01:00:38,662 it wasn't a thing I chose to do without. 1068 01:00:38,734 --> 01:00:41,100 I have every right to go in and do my job, 1069 01:00:41,170 --> 01:00:43,570 just as they have every right to picket. 1070 01:00:43,639 --> 01:00:46,369 Mr. Mayor, this isn't a hostage situation. 1071 01:00:46,442 --> 01:00:49,707 This isn't Tehran, Iran. This is Austin, Minnesota. 1072 01:00:49,779 --> 01:00:53,715 They told us that they would not let us in. 1073 01:00:53,783 --> 01:00:56,251 That is a lockout! 1074 01:00:57,620 --> 01:00:58,678 Don't be mad at us. 1075 01:00:58,754 --> 01:01:01,587 Blame it on the people causing the problem. 1076 01:01:01,657 --> 01:01:02,817 That's across the tracks. 1077 01:01:02,892 --> 01:01:04,826 It's them that put you in this position, 1078 01:01:04,894 --> 01:01:07,226 because they put us in this position. 1079 01:01:07,296 --> 01:01:10,163 We don't know who's going in there to do what, so to stop it, 1080 01:01:10,232 --> 01:01:11,824 we had to stop everybody that goes in that plant. 1081 01:01:11,901 --> 01:01:13,630 We had to close it down. 1082 01:01:13,703 --> 01:01:16,365 I don't want to merit right or wrong. 1083 01:01:16,439 --> 01:01:18,999 I'm not gonna pick sides. 1084 01:01:19,075 --> 01:01:20,235 But I got a question. 1085 01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:22,004 Is what the company's doing... 1086 01:01:22,078 --> 01:01:24,672 I don't want to discuss moralities. 1087 01:01:24,747 --> 01:01:26,578 Is what the company doing legal? 1088 01:01:26,649 --> 01:01:29,243 They're not out there because they like to holler 1089 01:01:29,318 --> 01:01:31,616 and fight and they want to kill somebody. 1090 01:01:31,687 --> 01:01:33,848 They're out 'cause they want a contract 1091 01:01:33,923 --> 01:01:35,515 where they can go to work. 1092 01:01:35,591 --> 01:01:37,183 We want to work. 1093 01:01:38,594 --> 01:01:40,687 This is a tragedy for all of us. 1094 01:01:40,763 --> 01:01:42,321 I was born and raised here. 1095 01:01:42,398 --> 01:01:45,856 Members of my family that are buried here. 1096 01:01:45,935 --> 01:01:48,495 These people are my friends on all sides of this issue. 1097 01:01:48,571 --> 01:01:50,368 I've graduated from high school with them. 1098 01:01:50,439 --> 01:01:52,907 I went to college with some of these people. 1099 01:01:52,975 --> 01:01:54,533 This isn't some impersonal thing. 1100 01:01:54,610 --> 01:01:57,511 We're personally involved whether we want to be or not. 1101 01:01:57,580 --> 01:02:01,107 We would do anything in our power to try to resolve this. 1102 01:02:01,183 --> 01:02:02,616 It's a difficult situation 1103 01:02:02,685 --> 01:02:05,153 for both Chief Hoffman and I to deal with. 1104 01:02:05,221 --> 01:02:08,213 I can't tell you what it's like. It's tearing us up. 1105 01:02:45,928 --> 01:02:47,862 MAN: Left! Left! 1106 01:02:47,930 --> 01:02:49,693 Left, right, left! 1107 01:02:49,765 --> 01:02:51,357 Left! Left! 1108 01:02:51,434 --> 01:02:53,698 Left, right, left! 1109 01:03:03,379 --> 01:03:05,142 Minnesota governor Rudy Perpich 1110 01:03:05,214 --> 01:03:07,648 called the National Guard, trying to help maintain order, 1111 01:03:07,717 --> 01:03:10,777 as striking union meatpackers and their supporters 1112 01:03:10,853 --> 01:03:14,619 blockaded the Hormel plant in Austin, Minnesota. 1113 01:03:15,191 --> 01:03:19,491 - Hey, your clubs are cracked! - Holy shit! Look at them go! 1114 01:03:20,796 --> 01:03:22,093 Behind the barricades. 1115 01:03:22,164 --> 01:03:24,997 MAN: I don't know if you know, but this is your community, 1116 01:03:25,067 --> 01:03:27,501 not two or three of them greedy executives! 1117 01:03:27,570 --> 01:03:31,301 What the hell's the matter with you? Shut it down! 1118 01:03:32,908 --> 01:03:34,341 Shut her down! 1119 01:03:34,410 --> 01:03:36,674 I want, no matter what happens, 1120 01:03:36,746 --> 01:03:40,614 if anybody gets hit, if anybody gets hit, 1121 01:03:40,683 --> 01:03:43,083 you simply try to identify who it is, 1122 01:03:43,152 --> 01:03:45,086 but get back to that hall! 1123 01:03:46,088 --> 01:03:48,522 Wait a minute. You see what they got here? 1124 01:03:48,591 --> 01:03:50,183 There ain't no way you got a chance 1125 01:03:50,259 --> 01:03:52,784 on dealing with those clubs! 1126 01:03:52,862 --> 01:03:55,387 So you better think rationally! 1127 01:03:55,464 --> 01:03:59,264 I don't want to see you in a fight with the National Guard! 1128 01:04:01,036 --> 01:04:03,300 Okay, remember, if anybody moves on you, 1129 01:04:03,372 --> 01:04:05,363 just go back to the office. 1130 01:04:16,152 --> 01:04:18,950 There's varying opinions from everyone here 1131 01:04:19,021 --> 01:04:22,149 as to how many people are gonna cross the line. 1132 01:04:22,224 --> 01:04:27,025 But it sounds as though 1133 01:04:27,096 --> 01:04:30,293 you're gonna have a stampede situation. 1134 01:04:30,366 --> 01:04:33,335 If what everybody is reflecting is accurate. 1135 01:04:33,402 --> 01:04:35,393 MAN: Let's get our people 1136 01:04:35,471 --> 01:04:38,599 and tell 'em the straight shot, like they deserve. 1137 01:04:38,674 --> 01:04:41,973 We got lots of folks that are gonna go in there tomorrow 1138 01:04:42,044 --> 01:04:45,536 because the Guard's gonna let everybody in. 1139 01:04:45,614 --> 01:04:47,980 So let's all go back in tomorrow. 1140 01:04:48,584 --> 01:04:51,849 I don't think there's gonna be that many going in tomorrow. 1141 01:04:51,921 --> 01:04:53,786 I don't think we've shown our last shot. 1142 01:04:53,856 --> 01:04:55,255 I'm not ready to give up. 1143 01:04:55,324 --> 01:04:57,019 - No. - Shit, not me. 1144 01:04:57,092 --> 01:04:58,525 I got some real problems 1145 01:04:58,594 --> 01:05:02,052 because I can see tomorrow and you guys can't. 1146 01:05:02,131 --> 01:05:05,498 But, boy, that's what makes me sick. 1147 01:05:05,568 --> 01:05:07,399 Go home and take a couple aspirin. 1148 01:05:07,469 --> 01:05:09,061 You'll feel better in the morning. 1149 01:05:09,138 --> 01:05:11,902 Jesus Christ, I won't feel a bit better. 1150 01:05:14,343 --> 01:05:16,811 Left, left, right, left. 1151 01:05:16,879 --> 01:05:20,246 I've been out of work for six years. I need a job. 1152 01:05:20,316 --> 01:05:21,977 NARRATOR: How have you been getting by? 1153 01:05:22,051 --> 01:05:23,609 Just doing odd jobs. 1154 01:05:23,686 --> 01:05:26,883 Must be hard. You ever worked in a packinghouse? 1155 01:05:26,956 --> 01:05:28,423 No. 1156 01:05:28,490 --> 01:05:30,355 - Where are you from? - McIntyre. 1157 01:05:30,426 --> 01:05:33,259 - How'd you hear about it? - Been on the news. 1158 01:05:33,329 --> 01:05:35,524 I got neighbors that work here. 1159 01:05:35,598 --> 01:05:38,226 Does it feel hard to go across the picket line? 1160 01:05:38,300 --> 01:05:39,699 No. 1161 01:05:40,269 --> 01:05:42,737 - Scab! - Hey, you lowlife! 1162 01:05:43,706 --> 01:05:46,197 When you go across that line, that's your decision. 1163 01:05:46,275 --> 01:05:49,142 You just don't let it bother you. 1164 01:05:49,211 --> 01:05:50,610 You'd better be able to stand it, 1165 01:05:50,679 --> 01:05:53,239 or you should have never went across. 1166 01:05:55,184 --> 01:05:56,708 NARRATOR: Why are you doing this? 1167 01:05:56,785 --> 01:05:58,047 Because I need a job. 1168 01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,247 When was the last time you worked? 1169 01:06:00,322 --> 01:06:03,189 Oh, last spring. 1170 01:06:03,259 --> 01:06:04,954 - Where are you from? - Austin. 1171 01:06:05,027 --> 01:06:06,221 Okay. 1172 01:06:10,132 --> 01:06:12,623 You're crossing a picket line! 1173 01:06:12,701 --> 01:06:14,931 You're a scab! 1174 01:06:17,172 --> 01:06:19,402 Hey, scab, go home! 1175 01:06:19,475 --> 01:06:21,033 Go home, scab! 1176 01:06:32,855 --> 01:06:36,882 JIM: Some people may be looking for excuses to cross. 1177 01:06:36,959 --> 01:06:40,918 But remember that your self-respect will be left behind 1178 01:06:40,996 --> 01:06:43,931 if anyone decides to cross the picket line. 1179 01:06:43,999 --> 01:06:46,092 You know, my family is starving. 1180 01:06:46,168 --> 01:06:49,660 I'm not getting a thing from anybody other than $40 a week, 1181 01:06:49,738 --> 01:06:52,002 just like everybody else in here. 1182 01:06:52,074 --> 01:06:53,439 I want my job, 1183 01:06:53,509 --> 01:06:57,001 just like everybody in here wants their job. 1184 01:06:57,079 --> 01:06:59,673 I'm seriously considering crossing. 1185 01:06:59,748 --> 01:07:01,272 I'd be a liar if I said I wasn't. 1186 01:07:01,350 --> 01:07:02,612 Don't do it! 1187 01:07:02,685 --> 01:07:04,346 I didn't say I was. 1188 01:07:04,420 --> 01:07:06,047 I said I was considering. 1189 01:07:06,121 --> 01:07:08,351 What I'm saying is, a lot of you people, 1190 01:07:08,424 --> 01:07:10,551 and you'd be liars if you say you didn't, 1191 01:07:10,626 --> 01:07:12,423 haven't considered crossing. 1192 01:07:12,494 --> 01:07:14,121 Because we all need jobs. 1193 01:07:14,196 --> 01:07:17,461 What plan of action is everybody here looking for? 1194 01:07:17,533 --> 01:07:20,400 I think we're all looking for some plan of action. 1195 01:07:20,469 --> 01:07:22,869 Either we gotta shut down every plant 1196 01:07:22,938 --> 01:07:24,769 that Hormel owns Monday morning. 1197 01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,968 Or Tuesday or Wednesday we might as well all go back 1198 01:07:28,043 --> 01:07:30,409 if we don't shut down their goddamn plants 1199 01:07:30,479 --> 01:07:32,071 and shut 'em down fast. 1200 01:07:32,147 --> 01:07:36,413 I think that you guys can't keep going and saying, "l agree." 1201 01:07:36,485 --> 01:07:39,716 The company says they're not gonna meet. 1202 01:07:39,788 --> 01:07:41,551 The company says they're not gonna give. 1203 01:07:41,624 --> 01:07:45,424 They're not gonna give Monday, not Tuesday, not Wednesday. 1204 01:07:45,494 --> 01:07:48,759 And all that time, you got some more guys going in, 1205 01:07:48,831 --> 01:07:51,493 and so what we're all saying is 1206 01:07:51,567 --> 01:07:53,967 you gotta either shut down the other plants 1207 01:07:54,036 --> 01:07:56,163 or, like you said, all go in en masse 1208 01:07:56,238 --> 01:07:57,967 and work without a contract. 1209 01:07:58,040 --> 01:07:59,974 But it's gotta be one or the other. 1210 01:08:00,042 --> 01:08:01,566 It can't be dragged out 1211 01:08:01,644 --> 01:08:05,045 and waiting for the company to give you something. 1212 01:08:05,114 --> 01:08:07,844 They told you they ain't gonna give you anything else. 1213 01:08:13,455 --> 01:08:17,186 Now we're looking at shutting the other operations down. 1214 01:08:17,259 --> 01:08:18,283 Don't you feel 1215 01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:23,525 that that's a much more pressurizing strategy 1216 01:08:23,599 --> 01:08:25,863 on this company at this time? 1217 01:08:25,934 --> 01:08:29,426 Especially in light of the fact that those people know 1218 01:08:29,505 --> 01:08:32,599 that whatever happens here is gonna happen to them. 1219 01:08:32,675 --> 01:08:34,472 We need to communicate that. 1220 01:08:34,543 --> 01:08:35,703 Mm-hmm. 1221 01:08:35,778 --> 01:08:39,179 Don't you think that that's a better position to be into? 1222 01:08:39,248 --> 01:08:41,739 If you can't shut them down completely, 1223 01:08:41,817 --> 01:08:42,943 you've accomplished nothing, 1224 01:08:43,018 --> 01:08:47,614 other than getting a whole lot of people fired and out of work. 1225 01:08:47,690 --> 01:08:52,855 What I'm saying to you is, at what cost are you prepared 1226 01:08:52,928 --> 01:08:55,829 to take roving pickets to that plant? 1227 01:08:55,898 --> 01:08:57,559 What are you gonna do when they say, 1228 01:08:57,633 --> 01:09:01,592 "You screwed me out of a job. Now what are you gonna do?" 1229 01:09:01,670 --> 01:09:05,162 I'll say it. Hell, there's nothing we can do for them. 1230 01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:06,605 That's the risk we take. 1231 01:09:06,675 --> 01:09:08,040 Not we take. They take. 1232 01:09:08,110 --> 01:09:09,771 Okay. It's the risk they take. 1233 01:09:09,845 --> 01:09:11,779 We all take. 1234 01:09:11,847 --> 01:09:15,681 Yeah, we took it willingly, and we took it to start with. 1235 01:09:15,751 --> 01:09:18,584 Now for our fight, we're dragging them in. 1236 01:09:18,654 --> 01:09:21,350 JIM: When does the realization come to those folks 1237 01:09:21,423 --> 01:09:24,187 that our fight is indeed their fight? 1238 01:09:24,259 --> 01:09:27,660 When are we gonna do it if we don't do it now? 1239 01:09:27,730 --> 01:09:29,891 Mr. Nyberg, what will Hormel do 1240 01:09:29,965 --> 01:09:33,594 if P-9 sets up picket lines at your other plants? 1241 01:09:33,669 --> 01:09:36,229 Our employees know that it is our position 1242 01:09:36,305 --> 01:09:39,274 that they'd be in violation of the contracts 1243 01:09:39,341 --> 01:09:41,775 if they voluntarily stay out 1244 01:09:41,844 --> 01:09:43,709 and honor the picket line of Local P-9 1245 01:09:43,779 --> 01:09:46,077 or however many pickets there might be. 1246 01:09:46,148 --> 01:09:48,616 We know that if they do stay out 1247 01:09:48,684 --> 01:09:51,710 that they will be subject to replacement 1248 01:09:51,787 --> 01:09:55,120 just as employees in Austin are subject to replacement. 1249 01:09:57,659 --> 01:09:59,923 The Executive Board of Local P-9 1250 01:09:59,995 --> 01:10:02,862 decided to recommend that the picket line be extended 1251 01:10:02,931 --> 01:10:07,834 to all other Hormel plants in an attempt to shut them down. 1252 01:10:07,903 --> 01:10:10,701 With that came the promise that if anyone at the other plants 1253 01:10:10,773 --> 01:10:13,970 got fired for honoring P-9's picket line, 1254 01:10:14,042 --> 01:10:16,408 no P-9ers would return to their jobs 1255 01:10:16,478 --> 01:10:20,175 until the company agreed to rehire everyone. 1256 01:10:21,583 --> 01:10:25,679 You know, when you talk about being illegal, 1257 01:10:25,754 --> 01:10:30,748 at one time, it was illegal to go out on strike. 1258 01:10:30,826 --> 01:10:34,694 At one time, it was illegal to join a union. 1259 01:10:34,763 --> 01:10:36,094 I guess at one time, 1260 01:10:36,165 --> 01:10:39,965 it was illegal for America to even exist. 1261 01:10:40,936 --> 01:10:44,337 The Executive Board has passed a motion. 1262 01:10:44,406 --> 01:10:47,375 Roving pickets will be sent to other plants. 1263 01:10:49,211 --> 01:10:54,080 If this is approved, it'll send a message to the company, 1264 01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:56,709 to everyone else. 1265 01:10:56,785 --> 01:10:58,946 We made a promise. 1266 01:10:59,021 --> 01:11:04,857 We swore we'd always remember. No retreat, no surrender. 1267 01:11:06,595 --> 01:11:08,563 Speaking on the motion... 1268 01:11:10,165 --> 01:11:13,692 It's a unanimous Executive Board recommendation. 1269 01:11:15,137 --> 01:11:18,106 All those in favor signify by saying "aye." 1270 01:11:18,173 --> 01:11:20,573 CROWD: Aye! 1271 01:11:20,642 --> 01:11:22,735 Those opposed. 1272 01:11:22,811 --> 01:11:24,278 Ayes have it. 1273 01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,552 I repeat. This is a union picket line. 1274 01:11:41,630 --> 01:11:44,690 We ask that you do not cross it. 1275 01:11:44,766 --> 01:11:47,963 Take the day off. One damn day is all we ask. 1276 01:11:48,036 --> 01:11:52,200 All Hormel plants will be shut up tight as a drum by Friday. 1277 01:11:52,274 --> 01:11:54,902 There will be none running, to our knowledge. 1278 01:11:54,977 --> 01:11:56,638 We'd appreciate your support. 1279 01:11:56,712 --> 01:11:58,270 Go home and have a cup of coffee. 1280 01:11:58,347 --> 01:12:01,976 Go talk to Ma and the kids before they go to school. 1281 01:12:02,050 --> 01:12:04,280 MAN: There's no way on God's creation 1282 01:12:04,353 --> 01:12:06,821 that I'm gonna cross their picket line! 1283 01:12:10,025 --> 01:12:12,255 When I looked at a guy I worked with for seven years. 1284 01:12:12,327 --> 01:12:15,819 I live in the same town he does, 22 miles up the road. 1285 01:12:15,898 --> 01:12:17,991 And I said to him, "How do you feel?" 1286 01:12:18,066 --> 01:12:19,556 He said, "My heart's pumping." 1287 01:12:19,635 --> 01:12:21,762 I looked at another guy I worked with for seven years. 1288 01:12:21,837 --> 01:12:25,170 I said, "How do you feel?" He said, "My heart's pumping." 1289 01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,708 I said, "Guess what? You're union people." 1290 01:12:27,776 --> 01:12:30,506 We ain't crossing no picket lines! 1291 01:12:30,579 --> 01:12:32,774 We ain't crossing them! 1292 01:12:46,862 --> 01:12:50,195 What miracle do we expect to happen in the next three days? 1293 01:12:50,265 --> 01:12:52,096 That's the question. 1294 01:12:52,901 --> 01:12:56,268 What miracle? How or why? 1295 01:12:56,338 --> 01:12:59,603 We have tremendous spirit, we've got a wonderful program. 1296 01:12:59,674 --> 01:13:03,542 And we seem to think that if we just go one day at a time, 1297 01:13:03,612 --> 01:13:04,670 like an alcoholic. 1298 01:13:04,746 --> 01:13:07,408 Just keep the strike going one more day, 1299 01:13:07,482 --> 01:13:12,044 and after today's over, it'll keep going tomorrow. 1300 01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:15,419 What do we expect is gonna happen? 1301 01:13:15,490 --> 01:13:17,253 I'm mystified. 1302 01:13:25,267 --> 01:13:26,427 Scabs! 1303 01:13:26,501 --> 01:13:28,992 Go back to your own town, scabs! 1304 01:13:29,070 --> 01:13:32,938 Asshole! Go to hell! I hope you rot in hell! 1305 01:13:36,811 --> 01:13:39,211 You're the one that really hurts, Steve. 1306 01:13:39,281 --> 01:13:41,374 All these other guys are dicks. 1307 01:13:41,449 --> 01:13:44,782 When you went across there, you really hurt. 1308 01:13:44,853 --> 01:13:46,514 What the hell's the matter with you? 1309 01:13:46,588 --> 01:13:48,488 How can you work with those scabs? 1310 01:13:48,556 --> 01:13:52,083 Doesn't it bother you to go in there with guys like that? 1311 01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:53,525 Then you got no class. 1312 01:13:53,595 --> 01:13:55,358 I don't know you. 1313 01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:56,897 Who's your smiley partner? 1314 01:13:56,965 --> 01:13:59,866 I've known that guy since we were in grade school. 1315 01:14:03,772 --> 01:14:06,468 It's killing him inside. He's told me that. 1316 01:14:06,541 --> 01:14:09,840 I tried to talk him out of it. 1317 01:14:09,911 --> 01:14:12,744 He said no. It's what he had to do. 1318 01:14:14,115 --> 01:14:16,845 My wife and children have been my backbone. 1319 01:14:16,918 --> 01:14:18,385 They've just. "No way." 1320 01:14:18,453 --> 01:14:22,412 They knew in their minds that if I did, 1321 01:14:22,490 --> 01:14:24,720 I couldn't live with myself. 1322 01:14:28,096 --> 01:14:30,621 RON: If things haven't changed substantially 1323 01:14:30,699 --> 01:14:32,792 in two or three days, 1324 01:14:32,867 --> 01:14:36,735 I will base my decision on the fact 1325 01:14:36,805 --> 01:14:39,865 that my family is number one in my life, not my union. 1326 01:14:39,941 --> 01:14:42,808 NARRATOR: Are you gonna go across the picket line? 1327 01:14:42,877 --> 01:14:44,811 So it appears it. 1328 01:14:44,879 --> 01:14:48,940 At this stage of the game, well, it would be tough, 1329 01:14:49,017 --> 01:14:53,954 but I can't see any alternative. 1330 01:14:54,022 --> 01:14:57,185 Now that we've been working on this for a year and a half 1331 01:14:57,258 --> 01:14:58,816 trying to figure out the difference 1332 01:14:58,893 --> 01:15:00,360 between right and wrong, 1333 01:15:00,428 --> 01:15:03,556 I believe that I was a dupe, I was lied to originally. 1334 01:15:03,631 --> 01:15:06,725 And now he's got control of my whole life. 1335 01:15:06,801 --> 01:15:09,463 On the other hand, it's a question of morality, 1336 01:15:09,537 --> 01:15:11,129 because I was brought up 1337 01:15:11,206 --> 01:15:13,834 that you do not cross a picket line, no matter what. 1338 01:15:13,908 --> 01:15:15,808 It's something that you do not do. 1339 01:15:15,877 --> 01:15:18,641 Because you don't belong to a union all these years 1340 01:15:18,713 --> 01:15:20,738 and develop all these principles. 1341 01:15:20,815 --> 01:15:22,942 It isn't like a dollar bill. 1342 01:15:23,018 --> 01:15:25,452 You can't throw it on the ground and be rid of it. 1343 01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,717 As much as I want my job back, 1344 01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:32,590 I've still been a good union member for many years. 1345 01:15:32,660 --> 01:15:35,390 But I don't know. 1346 01:15:35,463 --> 01:15:36,862 My family comes first. 1347 01:15:36,931 --> 01:15:39,957 My daughter goes to work. She's got a part-time job. 1348 01:15:40,035 --> 01:15:43,004 My boy, he works at McDonald's, part-time job. 1349 01:15:43,071 --> 01:15:45,733 My wife goes to work. She's got a job. 1350 01:15:45,807 --> 01:15:49,106 And what do I do? I sit home, and I play with the cat. 1351 01:15:49,177 --> 01:15:51,372 What kind of provider is that? 1352 01:15:51,446 --> 01:15:52,504 It may sound corny, 1353 01:15:52,580 --> 01:15:55,208 but a person takes pride in being a breadwinner 1354 01:15:55,283 --> 01:15:58,047 and providing for your family. 1355 01:15:58,119 --> 01:15:59,416 When you can't do that, 1356 01:15:59,487 --> 01:16:02,251 when you say to them, "All I want to do is work," 1357 01:16:02,323 --> 01:16:04,518 and they... 1358 01:16:04,592 --> 01:16:05,820 It's tough. 1359 01:16:05,894 --> 01:16:11,696 But I spent more than we should have. 1360 01:16:11,766 --> 01:16:15,133 But I want to go back to work. 1361 01:16:15,203 --> 01:16:18,536 And the hell with P-9. 1362 01:16:18,606 --> 01:16:21,097 I'm ready. 1363 01:16:21,176 --> 01:16:22,438 NARRATOR: Is that hard for you? 1364 01:16:22,510 --> 01:16:23,442 You bet. 1365 01:16:23,511 --> 01:16:25,479 Why? 1366 01:16:25,547 --> 01:16:27,708 Not being able to -- excuse me. 1367 01:16:27,782 --> 01:16:30,216 [ Voice breaking ] Provide for my family. 1368 01:16:30,285 --> 01:16:31,877 [ Crying ] 1369 01:16:38,293 --> 01:16:40,488 I just can't talk no more. 1370 01:18:00,041 --> 01:18:03,477 You're scared to see all them people you've worked with. 1371 01:18:07,882 --> 01:18:10,783 All these people are standing there hollering at you. 1372 01:18:10,852 --> 01:18:13,446 Yet, you know you have to go across. 1373 01:18:15,857 --> 01:18:17,791 there's some in there, you think, 1374 01:18:17,859 --> 01:18:20,453 "I don't care if you ever come back." 1375 01:18:22,230 --> 01:18:24,323 You see people you talk to every day, 1376 01:18:24,399 --> 01:18:26,264 and it almost makes you cry. 1377 01:18:26,334 --> 01:18:28,564 There are some good friends of mine. 1378 01:18:35,476 --> 01:18:38,172 That's the ones you feel like you're betraying. 1379 01:18:47,055 --> 01:18:48,647 - Where you guys going? - To work. 1380 01:18:48,723 --> 01:18:51,590 - You got a pass for that? - You want to see our cards? 1381 01:18:51,659 --> 01:18:54,059 Just Hormel cards? You want to see them? 1382 01:18:54,128 --> 01:18:56,323 Yeah. You new employees? 1383 01:18:56,397 --> 01:18:59,798 No, no. Not by any stretch of the imagination. 1384 01:19:00,735 --> 01:19:04,364 WOMAN: To some, staying out no longer makes sense. 1385 01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:06,634 There is more here than a town divided, 1386 01:19:06,708 --> 01:19:09,176 as brother watches brother cross the line 1387 01:19:09,244 --> 01:19:14,944 in a place not big enough for anyone to hide for very long. 1388 01:19:15,016 --> 01:19:18,144 He won't be my brother if he crosses the line. 1389 01:19:24,425 --> 01:19:29,624 For me, it wasn't tough to get to the point of the gate. 1390 01:19:29,697 --> 01:19:30,527 I was ready. 1391 01:19:30,598 --> 01:19:34,056 But the minute we crossed that line, 1392 01:19:34,135 --> 01:19:36,467 part of me just stayed back there. 1393 01:19:36,537 --> 01:19:39,870 Well, unionism, to me, is watching out 1394 01:19:39,941 --> 01:19:43,104 not only for your own job, but you're an organization 1395 01:19:43,177 --> 01:19:45,805 for the welfare and benefit of all the workers. 1396 01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:51,147 And now, you know, for this moment, we aren't. 1397 01:19:51,219 --> 01:19:52,846 Because we left them. 1398 01:19:56,024 --> 01:19:59,152 You know, I wasn't always International president. 1399 01:19:59,227 --> 01:20:02,060 I used to work in the grocery stores, you know. 1400 01:20:02,130 --> 01:20:04,621 And I know what it is to work for peanuts. 1401 01:20:04,699 --> 01:20:06,599 And you think I like the fact 1402 01:20:06,668 --> 01:20:09,728 that our people got to roll their wages back a bit? 1403 01:20:09,804 --> 01:20:10,600 I don't. 1404 01:20:10,672 --> 01:20:12,367 But I tell you what. 1405 01:20:12,440 --> 01:20:14,408 I don't take people over a cliff. 1406 01:20:14,475 --> 01:20:17,000 There's an old rule in the labor movement. 1407 01:20:17,078 --> 01:20:19,706 Anybody can put people on the street. 1408 01:20:19,781 --> 01:20:22,341 It takes a man to put them back to work. I'm sorry. 1409 01:20:22,417 --> 01:20:25,147 It takes a man or a woman to put them back to work. 1410 01:20:25,219 --> 01:20:27,687 Now is the time to settle it. 1411 01:20:27,755 --> 01:20:29,222 Hopefully, we can work it out 1412 01:20:29,290 --> 01:20:32,020 through the course of our local union. 1413 01:20:32,093 --> 01:20:36,086 If we don't, then in a short period of time, I'll settle it. 1414 01:20:36,164 --> 01:20:37,893 - Question. - I'll settle it. 1415 01:20:37,965 --> 01:20:41,731 - How will you settle it? - I told you I'll settle it. 1416 01:20:41,803 --> 01:20:43,668 I have a meeting. Thank you. 1417 01:20:45,506 --> 01:20:47,997 The United Food and Commercial Workers Union 1418 01:20:48,076 --> 01:20:50,772 ordered 1,000 members of its meatpackers local 1419 01:20:50,845 --> 01:20:52,972 to end their bitter seven-month strike 1420 01:20:53,047 --> 01:20:55,277 against Hormel in Austin, Minnesota. 1421 01:20:55,349 --> 01:20:57,544 The International Union said it had lifted its sanction 1422 01:20:57,618 --> 01:20:58,312 of the walkout 1423 01:20:58,386 --> 01:21:01,253 and cut off $40-a-week benefits to strikers. 1424 01:21:01,322 --> 01:21:03,654 But pickets remained in place through the day. 1425 01:21:03,725 --> 01:21:05,693 WOMAN: It is a strike, those on the line say, 1426 01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:07,819 is becoming symbolic of the struggle 1427 01:21:07,895 --> 01:21:10,056 to keep trade unions alive. 1428 01:21:14,902 --> 01:21:19,032 If they end up operating that plant nonunion 1429 01:21:19,107 --> 01:21:22,736 and your guys never get back in there, 1430 01:21:22,810 --> 01:21:25,779 will you consider that a big defeat for you? 1431 01:21:25,847 --> 01:21:27,371 Or not? 1432 01:21:27,448 --> 01:21:29,507 Number one, 1433 01:21:29,584 --> 01:21:32,815 if I say there's no way I could look at this as a defeat, 1434 01:21:32,887 --> 01:21:35,720 then you're gonna say, "How can you say that? 1435 01:21:35,790 --> 01:21:38,691 Now, you either win or you're gonna lose." 1436 01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:42,628 And let's talk about what has happened here 1437 01:21:42,697 --> 01:21:46,360 and about the types of victory and defeat you can have. 1438 01:21:46,434 --> 01:21:49,198 If all the workers lose their job here, 1439 01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:52,137 okay, if that's a scenario that you're playing, 1440 01:21:52,206 --> 01:21:55,733 yeah, that is certainly a defeat that way. 1441 01:21:55,810 --> 01:21:59,337 But when you consider the fight these people have fought. 1442 01:21:59,413 --> 01:22:02,075 Are you saying that 1,000 guys lose their jobs, 1443 01:22:02,150 --> 01:22:04,846 and because they've got intense national attention 1444 01:22:04,919 --> 01:22:07,615 on these important problems that confront labor, 1445 01:22:07,688 --> 01:22:09,053 that could still be a victory? 1446 01:22:09,123 --> 01:22:10,556 No, what I am saying, 1447 01:22:10,625 --> 01:22:13,321 there's been a set of dynamics that has occurred 1448 01:22:13,394 --> 01:22:16,886 both with all the people in this area, within this community, 1449 01:22:16,964 --> 01:22:19,432 and within the labor movement. 1450 01:22:19,500 --> 01:22:23,334 That cannot be considered anything but positive. 1451 01:22:41,189 --> 01:22:44,784 JIM: I think that we at P-9 1452 01:22:44,859 --> 01:22:48,192 started this small labor dispute. 1453 01:22:48,262 --> 01:22:51,459 It quickly escalated into a labor dispute 1454 01:22:51,532 --> 01:22:54,126 that represented a lot of things. 1455 01:22:55,603 --> 01:23:00,040 Taking on one of the corporate giants in an industry. 1456 01:23:00,107 --> 01:23:02,871 Taking on one of the largest international unions 1457 01:23:02,944 --> 01:23:05,606 in the country. 1458 01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:08,547 And really recognizing the forces 1459 01:23:08,616 --> 01:23:11,449 that working people have to deal with. 1460 01:23:17,124 --> 01:23:22,892 If a small union in the middle of a cornfield in Minnesota 1461 01:23:22,964 --> 01:23:27,424 can do the kinds of things we do... 1462 01:23:28,236 --> 01:23:31,171 We just need to get about the business of doing it. 1463 01:23:56,530 --> 01:23:59,465 LEWIE: I don't believe the membership elects leaders 1464 01:23:59,533 --> 01:24:02,024 to be heroes at their expense. 1465 01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:05,498 Talks about dignity and everybody going back together. 1466 01:24:05,573 --> 01:24:08,303 What dignity is there when you don't have a job? 1467 01:24:08,376 --> 01:24:10,367 There's no dignity at all. 1468 01:24:16,851 --> 01:24:18,682 In June of 1986, 1469 01:24:18,753 --> 01:24:22,280 the International took over the local union 1470 01:24:22,356 --> 01:24:26,486 and threw out the elected leadership of Local P-9. 1471 01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:29,393 The main things that the order covers is 1472 01:24:29,463 --> 01:24:36,335 if anybody physically confronts the UFCW, if they remove assets, 1473 01:24:36,404 --> 01:24:41,000 or if they hold themselves out to be representing Local P-9 1474 01:24:41,075 --> 01:24:43,066 rather than just saying they're a member of P-9. 1475 01:24:43,144 --> 01:24:45,669 Do I have to say I'm suspended? 1476 01:24:45,746 --> 01:24:47,577 The order's pretty clear on that. 1477 01:24:47,648 --> 01:24:49,707 I got to say I'm suspended? 1478 01:24:58,559 --> 01:24:59,924 The International Union 1479 01:24:59,994 --> 01:25:02,155 negotiated a settlement with Hormel, 1480 01:25:02,229 --> 01:25:05,255 whereby the people who crossed the picket line 1481 01:25:05,333 --> 01:25:08,268 would receive the same wages and benefits as workers 1482 01:25:08,336 --> 01:25:10,964 at the other Hormel plants. 1483 01:25:11,038 --> 01:25:14,599 $10.25 per hour. 1484 01:25:19,013 --> 01:25:20,776 We didn't stand by the company. 1485 01:25:20,848 --> 01:25:23,681 We stood by the International Union. 1486 01:25:23,751 --> 01:25:25,616 Kiss my ass! Kiss my ass! 1487 01:25:25,686 --> 01:25:27,313 You're full of shit. 1488 01:25:27,388 --> 01:25:30,380 You went back to save your ass and save your job. 1489 01:25:30,458 --> 01:25:32,016 By God, we needed our jobs. 1490 01:25:32,093 --> 01:25:34,891 We took our chances with Hormel with the hope 1491 01:25:34,962 --> 01:25:37,988 that unionism would somehow survive. 1492 01:25:38,065 --> 01:25:42,365 We left the union and we went back to our jobs. 1493 01:25:42,937 --> 01:25:44,768 That's where it was. 1494 01:25:44,839 --> 01:25:46,500 [ Booing and jeering ] 1495 01:25:48,542 --> 01:25:50,567 Go ahead. You can scream and holler. 1496 01:25:50,644 --> 01:25:53,078 Get that out of your system. Then we can proceed. 1497 01:25:54,682 --> 01:25:58,345 There's one part in the contract that I must have missed. 1498 01:25:58,419 --> 01:26:03,516 It's the part that says they have to take me 1499 01:26:03,591 --> 01:26:06,287 and the rest of all these guys back. 1500 01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:08,123 This is the way I feel. 1501 01:26:08,195 --> 01:26:12,063 Hormel's will never take me back unless I put it in the contract 1502 01:26:12,133 --> 01:26:13,862 or you put it in the contract. 1503 01:26:13,934 --> 01:26:15,902 And if that's not in the contract, 1504 01:26:15,970 --> 01:26:19,235 all this bullshit of a contract don't mean nothing to me. 1505 01:26:19,306 --> 01:26:23,140 Because how many days' vacation or how much of this they get. 1506 01:26:23,210 --> 01:26:27,544 I don't get none of it, because I didn't get back in the plant. 1507 01:26:27,615 --> 01:26:30,584 The contract did not contain any provisions 1508 01:26:30,651 --> 01:26:34,815 for the people who honored the picket line. 1509 01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:40,292 These people were placed on a waiting list. 1510 01:26:40,361 --> 01:26:43,762 It's time, and I think you people have realized, too. 1511 01:26:43,831 --> 01:26:46,061 Had we pulled together two years ago, 1512 01:26:46,133 --> 01:26:48,761 I don't think you or us would be faced with this. 1513 01:26:48,836 --> 01:26:51,930 But I think it's the thing that's going on in America, 1514 01:26:52,006 --> 01:26:54,873 and I think we as men and women have to realize 1515 01:26:54,942 --> 01:26:56,239 we better start pulling together, 1516 01:26:56,310 --> 01:26:59,006 or, by God, they're gonna bury us. 1517 01:27:34,082 --> 01:27:36,846 Part of why it's gonna be so hard to leave 1518 01:27:36,918 --> 01:27:39,546 is because I'm gonna have to leave my mom and dad. 1519 01:27:39,621 --> 01:27:41,088 My dad's still out on strike, 1520 01:27:41,156 --> 01:27:44,751 and I feel like I'm abandoning him, almost. 1521 01:27:44,826 --> 01:27:50,492 But we feel like we have to get on with our lives for the kids. 1522 01:27:50,565 --> 01:27:52,897 They need a normal atmosphere they can grow up in. 1523 01:27:52,967 --> 01:27:55,868 I know my dad will be okay, 'cause he's a survivor. 1524 01:27:55,937 --> 01:27:58,531 And he knows that we're still behind him 100%. 1525 01:27:58,606 --> 01:27:59,903 We're not abandoning him. 1526 01:27:59,974 --> 01:28:03,432 We're just taking our fight somewhere else. 1527 01:28:06,481 --> 01:28:09,814 As far as the strike goes, it was time. 1528 01:28:09,884 --> 01:28:11,078 It was past time. 1529 01:28:11,152 --> 01:28:14,781 Mike took a stand and refused to go across the picket line. 1530 01:28:14,856 --> 01:28:17,916 I'm glad he wouldn't, because I wouldn't have wanted him to. 1531 01:28:38,980 --> 01:28:41,505 LEWIE: You hear this business of "Old Jay Hormel, 1532 01:28:41,583 --> 01:28:43,949 if he was around, things wouldn't run this way," 1533 01:28:44,018 --> 01:28:46,282 or "We got this new crop of executives, 1534 01:28:46,354 --> 01:28:47,719 and they've changed the direction." 1535 01:28:47,789 --> 01:28:49,586 They didn't change nothing. 1536 01:28:49,657 --> 01:28:53,821 Hormel changed because it was to their advantage to change. 1537 01:28:53,895 --> 01:28:56,090 They realized there was profits and growth 1538 01:28:56,164 --> 01:28:57,893 by pursuing this strategy. 1539 01:28:57,966 --> 01:28:59,058 And they did it. 1540 01:28:59,133 --> 01:29:00,828 All of a sudden, they're not benevolent anymore 1541 01:29:00,902 --> 01:29:02,927 and they're not so paternalistic. 1542 01:29:03,004 --> 01:29:06,633 They become barracudas, just like everybody else. 1543 01:29:09,644 --> 01:29:12,807 We can't look to unions and say, "You gotta stop this." 1544 01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:16,338 It's gonna take a combination of outrage from people. 1545 01:29:16,417 --> 01:29:18,715 Whether you support a union or you don't, 1546 01:29:18,786 --> 01:29:21,846 is it right for these companies to do this? 1547 01:29:22,991 --> 01:29:25,459 It can't be dealt with just on the picket line 1548 01:29:25,526 --> 01:29:27,653 and just at the bargaining table. 1549 01:29:32,267 --> 01:29:35,327 You're not looking at short-term fixes here. 1550 01:29:51,653 --> 01:29:54,281 When the union's inspiration 1551 01:29:54,355 --> 01:29:56,983 Through the workers' blood shall run 1552 01:29:57,058 --> 01:29:59,959 There will be no power greater 1553 01:30:00,028 --> 01:30:03,020 Anywhere beneath the sun 1554 01:30:03,097 --> 01:30:05,725 Yet, what force on Earth is weaker 1555 01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:08,769 Than the feeble strength of one 1556 01:30:08,836 --> 01:30:14,604 And the union makes us strong 1557 01:30:14,676 --> 01:30:19,409 Solidarity forever 1558 01:30:19,480 --> 01:30:23,883 Solidarity forever 1559 01:30:23,951 --> 01:30:27,751 Solidarity forever 1560 01:30:27,822 --> 01:30:32,521 And the union makes us strong 1561 01:30:32,593 --> 01:30:34,424 In our arms is placed a power 1562 01:30:34,495 --> 01:30:36,827 Greater than their hoarded gold 1563 01:30:36,898 --> 01:30:39,059 Greater than the might of armies 1564 01:30:39,133 --> 01:30:41,158 Magnified a thousand fold 1565 01:30:41,235 --> 01:30:43,635 We can bring together the new world 1566 01:30:43,705 --> 01:30:45,696 From the ashes of the old 1567 01:30:45,773 --> 01:30:50,506 And the union makes us strong 1568 01:30:50,578 --> 01:30:55,015 Solidarity forever 1569 01:30:55,083 --> 01:30:59,281 Solidarity forever 1570 01:30:59,354 --> 01:31:03,120 Solidarity forever 1571 01:31:03,191 --> 01:31:07,787 And the union makes us strong 1572 01:31:07,862 --> 01:31:12,231 Solidarity forever 1573 01:31:12,300 --> 01:31:16,600 Solidarity forever 125726

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