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[man and woman speaking]

I could see,
like, the shape of it.
It was your classic saucer.

[man speaking]

The car is surrounded
by this white-blue light.

I felt like it was
moving through me.

[interviewer speaking]

I was on the train
to Machu Picchu.

So, I took out my iPhone
and I take a shot.

This could be
the most extraordinary piece

of photographic evidence
we have in the field.

[woman] I see it again.
I see it. I see it.

[woman 2] Oh, my God.
Holy [bleep]

[man] You gotta see this.
You gotta see this.

[narrator] Around the world,
people are witnessing
and capturing

unexplained phenomena
every day.

There's a feeling you get,
the hairs on your arms and
your neck kind of stand up.

[man] What the [bleep]
is that? [chuckling]

There was a lot that
pointed me in the direction
of something non-human.

[woman] Oh, [bleep]
There it goes.

[man speaking]

[narrator] And they
are looking for answers.

It left me with
a lot of questions.

[narrator] The recent release
of thousands of pages

of declassified
US Government documents,

whistleblower testimony...

[man] These objects
had been observed
for over two weeks,

coming down
from over 80,000 feet.

...and shocking new evidence
could hold the answer.

Can you confirm
that's what it was?

-Yes, that's what it was.
-[woman] Okay.

[narrator] Now, two
expert investigators will
use this new information,

and their expertise
to unlock the truth.

[exhales] I'm experiencing
chills over here.

[narrator] Mitch Horowitz
is an author and historian

known for
his investigative research
into the unexplained.

You all have had some
very mysterious experiences.

The video was
extremely compelling,

[narrator] And Chrissy
Newton is a journalist

and authority
on space science
and the unknown.

We were told that
this was a secret location.

Absolutely.

And when I looked up,
I saw a UFO in the sky.

[narrator] Thousands
of experiencers came
forward and submitted

their personal stories
and evidence
for examination...

These beings
were so gloriously beautiful.

...hoping to finally
separate fact from fiction.

[Mitch] Based on everything
that you've brought
to the table...

you witnessed a UFO.

[indistinct chatter]

-Well, this is gonna be
mighty interesting.
-Oh, yeah.

My job here is
to listen to the stories,
collect the evidence,

analyze it,
and to find the truth,
and report the truth.

I often tell people
that the truth,

when we reach it,
is a complexity of factors.

We've got witnesses.
We've got evidence.

We've got history.
We've got corroboration.

All in an attempt to find
that one piece of evidence

that stands out
and quite possibly
changes the game forever.

-My man. How're you doing?
-What's up. How're you doing?

-Welcome. Good
to have you here.
-Nice to meet you.

-Hi. Chrissy.
Nice to meet you.
-Very nice to meet you.

Welcome. Let me kick it off
by asking you in brief

to tell us your key account
that you submitted
evidence for.

My name is Andres Shirm.
I'm 40 years old.

I come from New Mexico
and I see some crazy things
that I can't explain.

There's something going on.
I just don't exactly
know what.

Anyone who lives in New Mexico
knows it's a military place.

There's Roswell,
New Mexico, obviously.

Then, there's Las Alamos.

And so there's always
kind of things going on.

Throughout the years,
I've had multiple sightings.

There's a feeling you get.
The hairs on your on your arms

and your neck
kind of stand up.

You just feel like you're
not supposed to be seeing it.

It's not something
that's supposed to be there.

It's something unnatural.

August 7th, 2023,
at about 10:58 p.m.

Me and my girlfriend
were traveling

from Denver, Colorado,
to Albuquerque, New Mexico,

we had just come
off the Raton Pass.

We noticed, like, a...
It was a set of lights.

And hanging
half over the mountain,
half over the highway

was, like, a...
it looked like... just like
a bright light at first.

[Andres and woman speaking]

We started
getting close enough to it

to where I could see, like,
the shape of it, finally.

And it was...
it was your classic saucer.

[Andres and woman speaking]

[Andres] It was low
and it was big. It was
about 50, 60 feet wide.

You could see the light
coming off the craft,
and it looked like asphalt.

It was black.
It was really sparkly,
and it wasn't smooth.

This thing
is like this to my left.

[woman speaks]

It just took off, man.
So fast.

[sputters] It just...

It blows my mind
how fast this thing was.

[Andres and woman speaking]

And then, all of a sudden,
off to the West, we see
a light in the distance.

And I'm like,
I think that's it.

Is that it? Is that it?

[woman and Andres speaking]

It's dimming, and then,
it's getting brighter.

At a couple of points,
it's really bright,
and then, it starts...

ping-pong-- like,
disappearing and trailing off,
and ping-ponging,

and it was doing some really,
really strange things.

And then, it eventually
just blacked out.

I don't know if it
turned off the lights,
or if it zipped off again.

It was strange.
So, all these things
are really strange.

There's nothing
special about me.

I'm just like a normal dude.
You know what I mean?

So, why have I
seen these things

as opposed to, you know,
other people haven't
seen these things.

I don't understand why.

What's the point?
Why put on a show?
What are you doing?

If I find out today
that what I saw
cannot be explained,

that just adds
to the overall
mystery of my life.

My question to you is,
what are you looking to gain
from our exchange today?

I just wanted to see if
if I could gather any data,

because some of this stuff
is just so far out there.

What are these things?

What is there inside,
and who's behind the wheel?

-Yep.
-No matter what,

[sputters] no video footage
or pictures is gonna
answer that.

You know, we need hard data
with lot of this stuff,

and unfortunately,
that's not available
to the public right now.

I'd like to know
I'm not crazy.

I appreciate your...
your account
because it's very vivid.

You paid a lot of attention
to your surroundings.

You have stepped up
with evidence.

You want data,
you want answers.

Chrissy has
studied this material,

and I want to hear
from her on it.

I'm excited to see
what she came up with.

-You ready?
-Yeah. Let's do it.

[narrator]
Andres Shirm submitted
a two-minute-long video

recorded on the Raton Pass
in New Mexico

on August 7th, 2023,
at approximately 10:50 p.m.

The clip shows a light
off to the side of the road,

moving erratically in the sky.

So, the first thing
we did was search
flight data, satellite, ISS,

and rocket launch dates,
and cross-checked them

with date, time,
and location of your sighting.

So, when we cross-checked
date, time, and location,

we did find...

flight data that showed...

two flights within view.

But...

flying 31,000 feet above,

to the east.

-So, that means
it's not what you saw.
-Right.

[narrator] Referencing
the video, analysts determined

that the two planes,
each flying above 30,000 feet,

would have been located
much higher in the sky

than the object
that Andres captured.

And then, we cross-referenced
with multiple UFO databases

and then, see if there was
any relatable sightings.

We found that, in 2021,

a commercial air pilot...

did report seeing
a long object

flying over Raton, New Mexico.

[pilot speaking]

-Wow.
-[Chrissy] Right.

The car is surrounded
by this white-blue light.

It felt like it was
moving through me.

[interviewer speaking]

[woman] It was really foggy,

and I needed to make
a stop in a certain spot
of Machu Picchu.

So, I took out my iPhone
and I take a shot.

[camera clicks]

We found out that, in 2021,

a commercial air pilot,

did report seeing
a long object

flying over Raton, New Mexico.

[pilot speaking]

-Wow.
-[Chrissy] Right.

So, we're seeing that pilots
are seeing the same thing

and they're correlating
around the date
and time, too.

Wow.

But... the one thing
that we couldn't do...

It's very dark.
So, we couldn't
stabilize your video.

So, it's inconclusive
at this moment.

The way I come
to my conclusion

is by looking
at a variety of factors.

The nature of the data,

the history of the area,
the credibility,

and the aptitude
of the witness,

his or her
penchant for detail.

And based on everything
that you've brought
to the table...

you witnessed a UFO.

-Hell, yeah.
-[all laugh]

-[Mitch] Yeah?
-Well, I mean,
that's really...

that feels good to know, man.

It's just nice to know that,
you know, hey,

you're not crazy.
I know I'm not crazy,

but it's a nice, little
cherry on top,
I guess you could say.

I know what I saw
without knowing what I saw.

It's just nice to get that
little bit of affirmation.

-Right on.
-Thank you so much.

[overlapping speech]

-Thank you so much.
Pleasure to meet you.
-Nice to meet you, too.

We can't argue
anymore whether UFOs
are a real or fake thing.

They're in our skies.
They're in our oceans.

The thing that strikes me
among many of these witnesses

is that these are
mature, capable people.

This is not all just hearsay,
or stories from wingnuts,

or people who
don't know any better

as the rejectionists
like to depict them.

Hopefully, by me being
validated in this thing
being out there in the public,

other people will be
able to come forward

and share their evidence,
and share their stories.

You're not alone.
Tell your stories.

It's gonna be all right.
I promise you.

Not everyone's
gonna think you're crazy.

[woman] I was going outside
of my house, and I saw it,
and I followed it.

-[indistinct chatter]
-[Mitch] That's a trip.

[woman] Yeah, it's
right by the moon.
Right there.

Roswell, New Mexico,
is a global nexus

for some
of the most intriguing...

Holy [bleep]

-scariest...
-Boom. It hit us, like,
you know, what the heck?

You know, it woke us up
from a dead sleep.

And most fascinating
UFO stories
you've ever heard.

-Born and raised in Roswell
here. I heard y'all were here.
-Sweet.

[man] I wanted
to bring you something.

I can't even
explain what it is.

It was silver
in color as well.

And it was completely silent.

That's the thing
that struck me.

If it's going
to be a helicopter
or even a drone,

you're going
to hear something, right?

I'm here in Roswell
to listen to people's
close encounter stories

from the first
and the fourth kind

to understand
their human experience
through a UAP encounter.

Everything just
shined so bright,
brighter than daylight.

[Mitch] You never know
who you're gonna
meet in Roswell.

[Chrissy] You never know.

And I especially
at The Variety, like,
everybody comes here.

-It's like
the local watering hole...
-Yeah.

-...for UFO chat.
-I dig it.

-Well, this is gonna be
mighty interesting.
-Oh, yeah.

[Mitch] We have a piece
of visual evidence which,
if validated...

-Mm-hmm.
-...could visually
revolutionize the field.

It could potentially be
one of the best UFO photos.

-Mm-hmm.
-Really could be. It's--

-It's arresting.
-It is. It's
unbelievable, actually.

-Hi.
-Hey. Welcome.

-I'm Mitch.
-Hi, Chrissy.

[Chrissy] Nice to
meet you, too. Hi.

-Awesome.
-How long was your trip?

That's a long trip.

-[Maria speaks]
-We really do
appreciate your being here.

-Thank you, Maria.
-Thank you.

Maria, to start with,
please tell us your story.

You have provided us
with some information
about your own journey,

-Yes.
-your own experiences
and background,

and this a remarkable image.

[narrator] Maria submitted
a photograph of the image

she captured
on March 11th, 2022,

while visiting Machu Picchu
in Peru for analysis.

What is it that
we can do for you?

[Chrissy] Yeah.

The image is so arresting.
You hadn't noticed the image

when you first
aimed your camera
at this landscape?

No, no, no.

[Mitch] It reminds
me very much of
the Calvine UFO image.

The Calvine refers
to an incident in 1990

in Calvine, Scotland,

where two hikers photographed
what seems to be

a hovering,
diamond-shaped object.

It's one of the best pieces
of photographic evidence
for UFOs that we possess.

When I first saw your photo,
I thought to myself,

"This might be the best photo
of a UFO ever taken."

And with that in mind,
Chrissy collaborated

with a team of investigators

to examine the image.

The car is surrounded
by this white-blue light.

It felt like it was
moving through me.

[interviewer speaking]

[Chrissy] When we did
the photo analysis,

we realized that
it wasn't faked

or it wasn't
manipulated in any way.

This could be the most
an extraordinary piece

of photographic evidence
we have in the field.

[Mitch] When I
first saw your photo,
I thought to myself,

"This might be the best photo
of a UFO ever taken."

It reminds me very much
of the Calvine UFO image.

The Calvine UFO
refers to an incident in 1990

in Calvine, Scotland,

where two hikers photographed

what seems to be a hovering,
diamond-shaped object.

It's one of the best pieces
of photographic evidence
for UFOs that we possess.

Chrissy, what did you find?

It's a beautiful photo
of an alleged UFO,

and when I looked at yours,
I was like, "Oh, my gosh."

-it is really arresting,
as Mitch said.
-[Mitch] Mm-hmm.

So, what we did was,
we collected your materials,

-Yes.
-we took your testimonial,

and we took your photo.
And so, we have to do
a little bit of research.

-And so, this is your photo.
-Yeah.

I've never seen any UFO image
like this ever before,

-like we see
some smoke underneath it.
-[Maria] Mm-hmm.

But I've never seen--
It's a pretty amazing image.

Like, it's extremely colorful.
It's extremely vibrant.

When you look
at a photo like that,
you think it has to be faked

or manipulated
in some form or fashion.

[narrator] Chrissy's team
conducted an authentication
analysis of Maria's photo

which can determine
if the image was
manipulated in any way.

[Chrissy] When we did
the photo analysis,

we realized
that it wasn't faked,

or it wasn't
manipulated in any way.

Then, we thought,
maybe it wasn't taken
exactly where you said it was.

But with geolocation
and geo tagging,

it confirmed
the date, time, and location.

So, my job here
is to do analysis,
come to a conclusion,

talk to multiple experts,
and try to find an answer.

So, can I ask you?

Were you on a train...

when you were driving?

Can you describe
where you were in the train?

[Chrissy] Yeah.

Okay. Interesting.

How big was the window?

Oh.

-Well, like, I don't know,
like this... You know?
-Yeah.

Yeah. Okay.

[Chrissy] Well,
let me show you this.

Was it the Vistadome train
that you were traveling in?

-Yeah.
-Yeah.

[narrator] Maria was
traveling to Machu Picchu
on the Vistadome train line,

which carries tourists
through the Andes Mountains.

It offers
a panoramic view of the area.

[Chrissy] What does that
look like to you?

-What? What?
-[Chrissy] This top image
compared to your image.

[Maria speaking]

[Chrissy] That's the light
that's atop the train...

reflecting off the window.

[narrator] When analyzing
Maria's photo and the image
of the train cabin,

researchers made
a stunning realization.

She captured an image
of the reflection
of the cabin lights.

And that's why you
didn't see it when you
were looking out the window.

But you saw it
in the actual photo.

[Mitch] The data
is definitive...

that this is not a UFO.

As you know, this, in no way,

discounts your
other experiences,
or detracts from them.

Okay. Well, thank you
so much for your time.

-Safe travels back.
-Appreciate it. Thank you.

-[Maria] Thank you. Bye Bye.
-Bye.

-I wish this was real.
-Of course.

Finding something like this
that's real is the purpose
of this mission.

Look, uh, gold miners
find a vein of gold.

They follow it.
Sometimes they
strike paydirt.

Sometimes, they don't.

But we have to keep
following that vein of gold.

We have kind of
a winner's circle here
of experiencers,

-if I can put it that way.
-[Chrissy] Yeah.

Yeah, that's for sure.

-Not all are valid,
but all come to the table...
-And all really interesting.

-[Mitch] Hey, y'all.
How's it going?
-[woman] Hi.

Well, you both
traveled a ways to get here,
and we're very grateful.

Although we do have
the basics of your account,

please, let us know
what was going down
when this occurred.

Yeah.

My name is William Carabel.
I live in Los Angeles,
California.

My name is Erin Stack,
and what I can say about
that night

is that language...
does not possess the words
for what we experienced.

I like to speculate
on what's going on.

I have to know
what happened that night.

It was January, 2014.

We were driving back
from Las Vegas to Los Angeles.

It was really late.

We'd been driving
for a couple hours.

I couldn't stay awake.

And so, it had to have
been about midnight.

by the time
that we pulled over.

I was asleep
in the passenger seat

and I remember sort of
coming to, like, waking up,

and the car being off,

and we were stopped
and pulled off the road
into the desert.

And I immediately had
a really uneasy feeling,
like a bad feeling.

And that's when a...
like, a sound
and a vibration...

It was a very low
metallic type of hum, like...

[humming deeply]

...descended around us
and the car.

And in that moment,
I saw... [makes whoosh noise]

Like, the car is surrounded
by this white-blue light.

There was just this,
like, white light, and it felt
like it was moving through me,

and it was all just vibration,

and I could feel
every type of feeling
that you don't want to feel.

Fear, regret, suspicion, hate,

and unwelcomeness.

Everything was sort of like
a blue-gray tone,

and what I saw was...

[Chrissy] What we do is,
we look at

air traffic patterns,
satellites, and rocket
launch data

that we cross-check
with the date, time,
and location.

And it showed...

It was January, 2014.

We were driving back
from Las Vegas to Los Angeles.

I was asleep
in the passenger seat.

And that's when a...
like a sound
and a vibration...

It was a very low,
metallic type of hum, like,

[humming deeply]

...descended around us
and the car.

I could feel
every type of feeling that
you don't want to feel.

Fear, regret, suspicion,
hate, and unwelcomeness.

Everything was sort of like
a blue-gray tone,

and what I saw was

a humanoid type form
with an enlarged head.

enlarged eyes, but
not, like, as large as
like you see in the movies,

standing at
the passenger window,

-staring at me. At me,
like down at me.
-Yeah.

Like, I looked up
and made eye-contact.

And then, I [gasps] snapped.

"Get us
out of here right now!"
[rhythmic hand claps]

The sound stopped.

It just [makes whoosh noise]
was gone.

And when it went,
I said, what was that?

And as he turned
the key to start the car,

I remember you saying,
I don't know, but it
sounded like a UFO.

[engine starting]

Started the car
and we were out of there.

[engine revving]

We got back to Los Angeles,
but I feel like we had,

like, an aversion
of talking about it.

And our relationship
didn't last much longer
after that.

We remained friends, you know.
But we never really
talked about it again.

Uh, there was never
a good time to bring it up.

And now, I'm
realizing that I've
never told anyone this.

I saw the outline
that you're talking about.

Like, I saw that silhouette
and I just thought
I was dreaming.

And you may not remember.

We were there
for, like, an hour.

Well, that's why I felt like
there was an hour,
like, lost...

-Yeah. So...
-...in this situation.

Because, by the time
we got home,
the times didn't match.

If it had just been me,
it would have been

so easy to write off as
like, "Yeah, that was
definitely a dream."

Looking back on it,
it's like, "That happened."

-You know?
-Yeah.

[interviewer speaking]

It would make
perfect sense to me

if we found out
there was more
evidence to support

what we experienced that night
because it was so real,

and we both vividly
remember it in the same way.

What are you hoping
that we can provide for you?

I'd be super interested
to learn if these experiences
are something that,

like, are congruent
with what other people
have gone through.

And you, Will?

I'm more interested in
hearing how they describe it,

and, like, the details of,
you know, not just
what they saw,

but how they felt,
and to make sure

people like myself
don't feel isolated, I guess.

-[Mitch] Of course.
-[Chrissy] Yeah.

It's notable that
this experience
happened to both of you

and I'm thinking,
first and foremost,

of Barney
and Betty Hill abduction
in 1961.

Probably, the most famous.

Betty and Barney Hill
were a New Hampshire couple

who in fall, 1961,
reported being abducted

by aliens
from their car at night.

On Monday,
the couple claims they were
driving along a highway

in New Hampshire's
White Mountains when
they heard a beeping sound.

The next thing
they remembered was
driving along the same road,

but two hours had passed,
and they woke up 35 miles

from the spot
where they had blanked out.

Barney took the binoculars,
and he was going
to get out of the car

and he was going
to identify this object.

And at this point,
he could see
human-like figures

standing in the window,
looking down at him.

And it was only through
hypno-regression therapy

that Betty and Barney
were able to bring forth

really compelling
and terrifying testimony

that set the template
for abduction encounters

in the 20th
and 21st centuries.

We also have
the Travis Walton case.

He and his colleagues,
foresters, disappeared
in 1975,

and the Allagash
abductions of 1976,

all of which
involved multiple people,
and all of which,

and listen
very carefully to this,

all of which involved
people who,

when returning
to ordinary consciousness,

did not really remember
what happened.

Almost like a dream is,
that you only dimly remember,

and it was only thereafter
that they began to recall

bits and pieces
of what had occurred,

in many cases
through regression therapy.

But it's quite remarkable
that it's not just
one person saying,

"Well, gee,
this is what happened to me."

It's groups of people.
It's missing time.

It's very murky memories

that later and only later
became clear.

-[overlapping speech]
-And the physical descriptions
of the beings, too,

-how that all seems
to line up, like...
-[Mitch] Of course.

Well, let me tell you
what we're gonna try
to accomplish here today

We have your accounts,
your testimony,
your materials.

This is something
that Chrissy has
looked over and examined.

And our wish is
to really provide you
with something

as close to conclusive
as we're able to.

[narrator] Erin and William
submitted their individual
accounts of their experience,

along with the date, time,
and location of the encounter.

However, they do not have
photo or video evidence
of the event,

which makes Chrissy's
analysis challenging.

So, what we end up doing
is, we cross-reference time,

date, and location
with multiple UFO databases

to see if there's any other
UFO sightings in that region.

But there were
no other sightings
in your area.

So, then, what we do is,
we look at

air traffic
patterns, satellites,
and rocket launch data

that we cross-check
with the date, time,
and location.

And it showed...

no records of any
air traffic at that time.

Did you ever think
that it was dreaming?

Uh...

Some scientists
and some psychologists

would say that
this is dreaming, right?

You can move your bodies.
Both of you can move
your bodies.

-Is it any form
of sleep paralysis?
-[Erin] I remember... No.

It didn't feel like
one of those dreams.

-Literally the opposite
for me, honestly. Yeah.
-It did not. Yeah.

It was like
the opposite of...

because there was
zero control and it was

just total confusion
and sadness.

When you dream, you see stuff.
You don't just dream of, like,

white fog that's filled
with negative emotions.

-You know, like,
that's not a thing.
-[Erin] Yeah.

And so, uh,
that was accompanied

by the vibrations, the...
[makes warbling noise]

-[Chrissy] The sound?
-Yeah.

So, that hum is
very, very consistent.

Most people that said
they've had any type
of close encounter,

you hear that a lot.

But... I don't have
any hard science, right,

that I can say, like,
"Exactly, this is what it is."

-I just unfortunately don't.
-[Erin] Yeah.

In order to reach
my conclusion, I look
at a variety of factors.

It's notable that
this experience
happened to both of you

and that does compare
with other abduction
experiences.

It's interesting
because you both had
the same experience.

[Mitch] And it's
quite remarkable.

And I think it is
fair and just to say...

Roswell is one of
the only location names

that carries with it
a whole mythology.

You hear the name itself,
and it's associated with
a whole epoch of history.

In this case,
an alleged UFO crash in 1947.

There's so much
lore around it.

Government cover-up.

Off-world UAPs.

Potentially, bodies.

But so fantastical.

Roswell, to me represents
the search for truth.

It is a town
built on a mystery.

For my outlook,
I take into account

the data that
Chrissy has analyzed,

the background
and credibility
of the witness,

surrounding circumstances,
corroboration, history.

And I try to weave it
all together in one ball

which informs my decision.

-Now, you guys had
a shared experience,
-[Erin] Mm.

-[Mitch] But there are things
you've learned more recently.
-Yeah.

-Is that correct?
-[Erin] Mm-hmm.

Yeah. I mean, just hearing

her detailed account
of it has...

kind of brought back
some memories

and also enlightened me
on stuff that I didn't
know about.

The split between, uh,
when she's... When I
tell her to go to sleep,

-she rolls over
and sees it.
-[Erin] Mm-hmm.

In that moment,
that's when I thought

we both just, like,
took a nap or something
and went to sleep.

But, for her,
it was just an instant.

And so, that's the part
that was so weird

because a bunch of time passed
while we were there.

-Like, she remembers it
being this quick thing, and...
-Like a... [snapping fingers]

...for me, it was... it felt
more like a few minutes,

um, when, really,
it was more like an hour.

-It had to have been
at least an hour.
-And so, it was

really just, you know,
kind of that,

"What happened
during that time"
type of feeling.

You know, time slips
or missing time...

Look, it can happen
as mental gaps.

You fall asleep,
you're hypnotized.

You're in a state
of hypnagogia.

-That very relaxed state
between sleep and awakening.
-[Williams, Chrissy] Mm-hmm.

But you all,
you looked at the clock.

You know the drive.
It's not the first time
you've done it.

You're familiar with the area,

and you both
said to yourselves,
separately and together,

"We're missing an hour here,"
and there's no mistake
about that.

[both] Yeah.

You guys join a lineage

of reports that involve
more than one person,

and all of which,
and listen very
carefully to this,

all of which involved
people who,

when returning
to ordinary consciousness,

did not really
remember what happened.

Almost like a dream is,
that you only dimly remember.

Whenever we're
considering any experience,
we look for corroboration,

and I also look
at the credibility
of the witnesses.

You've also, frankly,
put your own reputations
on the line.

You've stepped up
with a narrative

that is corroborated,
at least among the two of you.

It's missing time.

It's very murky memories

that does compare with
other abduction experiences.

It's quite remarkable,
and I think it is fair
and just to say...

you've had
an abduction experience.

[sighs]

[William] The takeaway,
for me, at least,

is that, like,
it didn't feel like,

"Oh, this, like,
ruined my life."

-I hear a lot of
the abductees talking about...
-[Erin] Yeah.

...how their life just
was totally ruined.

That's sort of one of
the reasons why I wanted
to talk about it, too,

is to like let people know
it's not bad, necessarily.

-It can be.
It can be bad for sure,
-[Chrissy] Yeah.

but I think that a lot of
the bad experiences people had

is because they were
just clouded by fear,

uh, preventing them from
seeing the possibilities
of these interactions.

We all go through
things in life that we would
not want to go through again.

But looking back, we realize
those are the very experiences
that have refined us.

And I think that's
what happened to you two.

-And I thank you so much.
-Awesome.

-Thank you. Nice to meet you.
-[Mitch] It's been a pleasure
to exchange with you.

Thank you.

The thought of abduction
is something that I've been

trying to deny,
I guess, for a while.

Hearing what they had to say,

it's sort of like
they've opened up
Pandora's box

in terms of how
I perceive the situation,

and all the things
that it implies

about us, and the world,
and the unknown.

[Mitch] It's not uncommon
that it will take
abductees years

to come to terms
with even the details
of their experience.

I'd like to think
that we opened up
new doors for him.

Well, I wish
there were physical evidence

-for you to look at
and consider.
-Mm-hmm. Yeah.

What we have is testimony
from two credible,

-solid-seeming individuals.
-Yeah.

[Erin] It was
really interesting
that so many other people

have had almost the exact
same experiences that we have.

This validation lets me know
that I'm not alone.

It lets me know
that I'm not crazy.
This isn't weird.

This is a thing
we can talk about openly,
and it's okay, and it's safe.

I think that I know enough
to know that I know nothing

and I will always be
searching, and I will
always be seeking.

I will always
be learning more.

I could see
this bright white light.

I was blown away.

I want to get
to the bottom of it.

We've been
waiting a couple of hours,
and we see a light pop up.

Then that light is joined
by some more lights.

[woman] Oh, my God.
Holy [bleep]

[man] It wasn't like
discovering something.

And, like, "Oh, wow,
we're getting to see this."

It was like "Oh, no,
what are we seeing?"

When I went outside,
I immediately saw
this tubular craft.

Whatever it was,
it seemed like it was
intelligently controlled

as if it knew
it might be watched.