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[dramatic music]
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- I believe that an operation
should never be undertaken
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unless it can be done so
in the deepest,
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most permanently
impenetrable secrecy.
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- It's all right
if it isn't disclosed?
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- Ever.
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- The same ethos exists for
both the CIA and the Mafia.
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You have to keep secrets.
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- With the Mob, the code is,
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you don't talk
to the authorities.
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- I refuse to answer
on the grounds
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it might tend
to incriminate me.
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- I respectfully decline
to answer the question
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upon the ground that the answer
may tend to incriminate me.
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- I will claim the privilege
of the Fifth Amendment
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and decline to answer.
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- There's nothing worse
than someone who flips
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and becomes
a government witness.
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- There's this famous thing
that Tony Accardo,
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the head of the Chicago Mob,
said.
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A fish doesn't get caught
if he keeps his mouth shut.
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- But Johnny Roselli
has problems with the feds.
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The feds now have
this dark secret
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of what his real name
and background was.
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- His big secret is out.
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- The authorities
leaned on Roselli
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kind of like, you feel
like getting deported?
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You feel like going to prison?
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- Johnny is considering
all the different ways
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that he could avoid
both results.
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One of the possibilities is,
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he reveals the big secret
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that the CIA was involved
with the Mafia
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to try to kill Castro.
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And as part of it,
he was helping
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the federal government.
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- To even think about
talking about this
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was dangerous and puts
his life at great risk.
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- The worst thing
that could happen
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is to have
your secrets spilled.
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The Mafia understood this.
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CIA understood this.
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- If you talk, you die.
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It's that simple.
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- But with pressure mounting,
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someone is going to cave,
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and it will be a filthy mess
from which
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the United States government
never recovers.
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[suppressed gunshot]
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- There's one weekend
at Cal Neva
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that leads
to Sam Giancana's downfall.
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Giancana starts a fistfight
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with his girlfriend
Phyllis McGuire's manager.
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Giancana wasn't even
supposed to be there.
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- Giancana is banned
from being in
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any casino
in the state of Nevada.
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- It becomes a big tabloid
display in "Life" magazine
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and newspapers
all around the country.
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[jazz music]
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So Tony Accardo
reclaims the leadership
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of the Chicago Mob.
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[indistinct dialogue over TV]
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- Giancana's removed
as the operating boss.
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He becomes just
another Outfit member.
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He's not in any sort
of major leadership role.
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- After the fiasco
at Cal Neva,
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the feds start checking out
the finances of this place.
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- Course, you're not gonna see
Sam Giancana's name
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on any of the paperwork,
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but he was partners with
Frank Sinatra in the Cal Neva.
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Not legally, of course.
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[reporters clamoring]
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- The FBI said,
we will
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give you immunity
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if you talked about the Mob.
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- Roemer later explains,
"If he lied,
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"we can get him for perjury.
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"If he told the truth,
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his associates would get him."
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- If you talk, you end up dead.
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[dramatic music]
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- He would not talk.
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He would not.
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- Sam spends the next year
behind bars.
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- Meanwhile Johnny Roselli
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has his own problems
with the feds.
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They're building
a case against him
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based upon what they found out
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about his illegal
immigration status.
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But then things get
even worse for Johnny
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when his name comes up
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in yet another scandal.
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- The Friars Club
is a show business
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fraternity-sorority
in Beverly Hills.
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It's a bunch of these
alta cocker comedians
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kind of sitting around,
talking to each other.
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- At the Friars Club,
they had a card room.
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- Gin rummy
was particularly popular.
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- That's where the money was.
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If you played in that game,
then you could do well,
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or you could do really bad.
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- You're not supposed
to gamble
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at these games for money.
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It's illegal in California.
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But of course, people did.
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- You couldn't have money
on the tables,
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so it was all done with
little white scraps of paper.
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I mean, I'm talking, like,
hundreds of thousands
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of dollars changing hands
over gin rummy.
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- You had to be a member
or you had to be sponsored
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by a member to get in.
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Now, Roselli was not a member.
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Frank Sinatra
was the club abbot.
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He had vouched for Roselli.
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And that was Roselli's in
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to get behind
those closed doors
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and take part in those
high-stakes gin rummy games.
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- Eventually
one of the friars thought,
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we can cheat,
and nobody's gonna know it.
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It's gonna be flawless.
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[drill whirring]
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[indistinct chatter]
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They would have a device
hooked up
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to one of the guys
at the table,
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and there would be
a little code.
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The guy in the attic
is basically saying
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who's got what cards.
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- They ended up making
a lot of money with the scam,
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and word kind of
got out around
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that there was a fix in.
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And then that's when
Roselli's ears got piqued,
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and he kind of muscled in,
and he said, I want a 1/5 cut.
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- If Johnny Roselli wants
to be in on this scam,
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he's gonna be in
on the scam.
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It's the bully
in the schoolyard.
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Nobody is gonna say,
no, we don't want him.
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The FBI had been tailing
Johnny Roselli.
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They were parked
outside the Friars Club,
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so they saw a guy climbing out
of the skylight onto the roof.
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- And that's how they find out,
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hey, there's this whole scam
going on,
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and they've been ripping off
celebrities
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and members
for five years already.
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- Johnny's cut was
$400,000 by that point.
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People lost a ton of money.
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- Harry Karl
was a shoe magnate who was,
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my mother, Debbie Reynolds'
second husband.
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He's one
of the wealthiest guys.
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He loved playing cards,
and he loved,
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more than anything else,
gambling.
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- Debbie Reynolds told me
about Harry Karl
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and how he lost so much money.
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Debbie Reynolds lost a fortune
because of that man.
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And you had Phil Silvers,
Zeppo Marx,
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a couple other biggies
lost a lot of money
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in that scandal.
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- The FBI ended up
indicting Johnny Roselli
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with some other people.
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[tense music]
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- He's already got
the immigration battle
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that comes to a head when he's
convicted on that charge.
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And now, at the same time,
he's got the Friars Club
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investigation in which
he's eventually convicted
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and facing sentencing.
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- So he decides, maybe if
the judge knows I'm a patriot,
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he'll give me some leniency.
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He tells his lawyer
he's been doing
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a lot of work for the CIA.
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- He puts his life
at great risk.
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- His lawyer thinks
it's a good idea
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to bring in Robert Maheu
to testify.
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They put him on the stand,
and they ask him to verify
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that Johnny Roselli
was working for the CIA
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and that he was doing
his patriotic duty
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by trying to kill
Fidel Castro.
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- Maheu testifies,
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"I don't know
what you're talking about"...
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Betraying Roselli.
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Even if Roselli's claim
was true,
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the judge decides,
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"I don't think Mr. Roselli
is entitled to brownie points.
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"I am not going to concede
that a court
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"should give credit
to a person
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who attempts the assassination
of anybody."
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- Johnny's in deep trouble.
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If he doesn't
do something fast,
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he's going to jail.
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[upbeat music]
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- By the mid-'60s,
there are still
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anti-Castro operations
going on
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by people like Tony Varona
and Manuel Artime.
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- The Cuban exile community
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never stopped trying
to retake Cuba,
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even after the Bay of Pigs.
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- But LBJ has decided
to get out
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of the assassination business
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and also stop
the boom-and-bang operations.
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- I think the Kennedy
administration came to an end,
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and the operations that
continued under Lyndon Johnson
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quickly unraveled.
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It was clear
that Operation Mongoose
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had completely failed.
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- They closed down
Operation Mongoose.
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Places like Zenith,
the phony front
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that's being run by the CIA,
that's closed down.
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- The CIA, I think, had
suffered from exile fatigue.
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The exile leaders were all
fighting among themselves.
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It just was not
a professional group.
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- You're not backed by CIA
or any organization, are you?
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- Well, I might--I've heard
rumors to that effect,
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but nobody can prove it.
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- The CIA's proposal
was that they would
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set up a new base
in Central America
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for the Cuban exiles.
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They would give the exiles
some guns and some Jeeps,
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and that's it.
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They would not direct them,
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and they would be autonomous.
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And the United States
could claim a distance.
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[thunder booming,
rain pattering]
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[dramatic music]
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[telegraph beeping]
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- [speaking Spanish]
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- These autonomous
exile militants
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mistook a Spanish freighter
for a Cuban boat.
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- They sank the ship
with CIA-supplied equipment,
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causing a huge
international scandal.
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And it basically led
to a significant retreat
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of the U.S. support
for the exile movement.
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- Another die-hard
CIA official in Miami
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concluded that "the bearded
devil had won the war."
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- Dad was in jail for a year
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because of the Fifth Amendment
that he had taken,
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and then as soon
as he got out,
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he did leave for Mexico.
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He figured there was
a lot of trouble brewing
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around Chicago.
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[airplane engine roaring]
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[upbeat music]
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- Giancana lived
at this castle.
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It was in the mountainside
of Mexico City.
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I forget what it was called.
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It had, like,
a saint's name, right,
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the villa that he lived in?
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- While Sam was away
from everything,
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he just calmed down.
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He was very wonderful.
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He would go into the garden
and start gardening.
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I mean, this is
the temperament
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he was getting into.
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I remember going to all
of these restaurants,
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and he'd just sit
and enjoy himself.
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[light piano music]
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- You're in your 60s or 70s.
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You're saying, hey, I could
have romantic relationships.
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I could have food.
I could have music.
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I could do whatever.
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You know, at some point,
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you want to just live
your life.
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- He lived like a king,
but he was also invisible.
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Nobody knew what Sam was up to.
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- He was doing a lot
of international business.
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He was working
with the shah of Iran
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and put a casino in Tehran.
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He was doing this on his own.
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- Roselli later
explained about Sam:
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"This guy's having a ball.
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"As far as he's concerned,
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"he never wants
to go back to Chicago.
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"'My investments are sound,'
he told me.
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"'I'm enjoying this new life.
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"'Let the cocksuckers
back there
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"'knock each other off
all they want.
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Who cares?'"
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* *
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[soft music]
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- Meanwhile, for Roselli,
things are not going well.
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He's broke and facing
five years in jail.
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* *
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- Johnny still has
a wild card up his sleeve.
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Hoping to get leniency
from the court,
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he's gonna tell
his story to the press.
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Roselli promised never
to reveal his life as a spy,
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but this situation now
has left him desperate.
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[sly music]
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He sets up a meeting
with his lawyer
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and the columnist
Jack Anderson.
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00:18:53,333 --> 00:18:56,436
- Jack Anderson
was an investigative reporter.
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He was the Woodward
and Bernstein
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00:18:58,705 --> 00:19:01,174
of the pre-Watergate era.
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00:19:01,241 --> 00:19:05,178
- Johnny wants to make sure
that he never is caught
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specifically speaking
to the press,
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so he tells the whole story
to his lawyer.
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Anderson sits
listening to this.
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- Roselli's sending out
a message
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that this isn't me doing this,
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that this is me
passing it to someone
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who chooses to pass it
to someone else
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who chooses to publish it.
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This is a lot different
than me being, oh, I'm a baby,
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and I'm gonna fold
for the government.
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Anderson
is writing it all down,
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and he puts it all
in his newspaper column.
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- "The full story
reads like the script
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00:19:41,914 --> 00:19:45,151
"of a James Bond movie,
complete with secret trysts
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at glittering
Miami Beach hotels."
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- The Anderson column
is a sensation.
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And while it doesn't
get Johnny out of jail...
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It causes problems
in many different places,
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00:20:00,667 --> 00:20:04,671
and suddenly there are ripples
all about this scandal.
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- The floodgates started
opening in the early '70s.
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00:20:08,441 --> 00:20:10,943
All sorts
of intelligence abuses
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00:20:11,010 --> 00:20:13,513
start coming out in the media,
in "The New York Times,"
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"Ramparts" magazine, CBS News.
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00:20:16,949 --> 00:20:19,419
- Authorizing CIA excursions
into everything
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from simple propaganda
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00:20:20,953 --> 00:20:23,189
to the overthrow
of unfriendly governments.
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00:20:23,256 --> 00:20:29,296
- They were reporting
on CIA and FBI covert actions
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00:20:29,362 --> 00:20:33,600
that were sometimes criminal,
sometimes completely unethical.
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00:20:33,666 --> 00:20:35,768
They included things like
spying on Martin Luther King,
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00:20:35,835 --> 00:20:38,338
infiltrating domestic
political groups,
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student groups
around the world.
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The CIA was involved
in assassination efforts.
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That's when Congress
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started digging into this.
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00:20:51,318 --> 00:20:56,055
- In 1973, just as Congress
begins to examine the CIA,
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Roselli is released
from prison
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more than two years early
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for, of all things,
good behavior.
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- Sam lived in Mexico
for eight years.
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00:21:13,740 --> 00:21:16,108
By that point,
he's an old man.
348
00:21:16,175 --> 00:21:18,411
He has some health problems.
349
00:21:18,478 --> 00:21:20,447
And then the Mexican government
in 1974
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decides they don't
like him anymore.
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00:21:22,048 --> 00:21:25,618
- The president of Mexico
was trying to reach out
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00:21:25,685 --> 00:21:27,854
to Castro's government,
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00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:32,258
hoping that there would be
a visit between them.
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00:21:32,325 --> 00:21:36,162
But having Sam Giancana
in Mexico
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00:21:36,228 --> 00:21:39,966
with all of these rumors about
the attempts to kill Castro
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00:21:40,032 --> 00:21:42,969
made it impossible
for Mexico to allow
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00:21:43,035 --> 00:21:44,637
Giancana to remain there.
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[tense music]
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One day,
the Mexican authorities
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00:21:49,409 --> 00:21:52,979
suddenly arrive
at Giancana's mansion.
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00:21:53,045 --> 00:21:56,516
* *
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- He was in his robe.
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00:21:58,050 --> 00:21:59,352
He was in his slippers.
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He was in his socks.
365
00:22:01,721 --> 00:22:05,525
I mean, my God,
they actually had people
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00:22:05,592 --> 00:22:08,327
pick him up physically
and put him on a plane
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00:22:08,395 --> 00:22:11,330
to bring him back to Chicago.
368
00:22:11,398 --> 00:22:14,867
- They deport him
in that very--
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00:22:14,934 --> 00:22:16,703
in that very abrupt fashion.
370
00:22:16,769 --> 00:22:18,204
[airplane engine roaring]
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00:22:18,270 --> 00:22:19,439
[tires screeching]
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00:22:20,940 --> 00:22:24,744
- In Chicago,
he comes into the airport,
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00:22:24,811 --> 00:22:28,681
and there to greet him
is his longtime nemesis,
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00:22:28,748 --> 00:22:31,718
the FBI agent Bill Roemer.
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00:22:31,784 --> 00:22:35,988
* *
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00:22:36,055 --> 00:22:38,124
- Giancana sighed,
"I should have known
377
00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:41,193
"you were behind all this.
378
00:22:41,260 --> 00:22:44,531
"I'm out of it, so please,
just leave me alone.
379
00:22:44,597 --> 00:22:47,867
If it takes an apology,
then this is it."
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00:22:47,934 --> 00:22:49,536
Roemer later wrote,
"At that moment,
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00:22:49,602 --> 00:22:51,070
I realized that I had won."
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00:22:51,137 --> 00:22:56,476
* *
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00:23:03,583 --> 00:23:06,352
- Following
all the revelations
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00:23:06,419 --> 00:23:08,387
of the abuse
of law enforcement agencies,
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00:23:08,455 --> 00:23:09,789
like the CIA,
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00:23:09,856 --> 00:23:12,925
the Church Committee
was created.
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00:23:12,992 --> 00:23:16,563
- Frank Church was a young and
ambitious senator from Idaho
388
00:23:16,629 --> 00:23:20,299
who became chairman
of an investigating committee
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00:23:20,366 --> 00:23:22,702
in the U.S. Senate
that was aimed at probing
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00:23:22,769 --> 00:23:25,505
the background
of CIA destabilization
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00:23:25,572 --> 00:23:28,107
and particularly
assassination plots.
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00:23:28,174 --> 00:23:31,410
- I find it reprehensible
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00:23:31,478 --> 00:23:33,946
that any agency
of the government
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00:23:34,013 --> 00:23:37,349
of the United States
should ever have engaged
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00:23:37,416 --> 00:23:41,488
in an assassination attempt
against any foreign leader
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00:23:41,554 --> 00:23:44,724
of any country
with which the United States
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00:23:44,791 --> 00:23:47,093
was in peaceful relations.
398
00:23:47,159 --> 00:23:50,129
- Up to then,
the intelligence committees
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00:23:50,196 --> 00:23:54,934
were usually quite deferential
to the CIA and the FBI.
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00:23:55,001 --> 00:23:58,771
But after these revelations,
reform-minded members
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00:23:58,838 --> 00:24:01,508
of Congress said,
we got to get a better grip
402
00:24:01,574 --> 00:24:04,010
on what the intelligence
community is doing.
403
00:24:04,076 --> 00:24:06,613
So this was
a complete sea change.
404
00:24:06,679 --> 00:24:08,681
- This was Colby's
third day of testimony
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00:24:08,748 --> 00:24:11,117
before the Senate committee
on a single subject,
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00:24:11,183 --> 00:24:13,953
covert operations,
including possible involvement
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00:24:14,020 --> 00:24:15,655
in assassination plots.
408
00:24:15,722 --> 00:24:17,389
- It was through
the Church Committee
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00:24:17,456 --> 00:24:19,291
that most Americans
became aware
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00:24:19,358 --> 00:24:21,060
of these plots
for the first time.
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00:24:21,127 --> 00:24:23,395
There's a famous photograph
of Frank Church holding up
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00:24:23,462 --> 00:24:26,566
one of these gizmo,
James Bond super pistols
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00:24:26,633 --> 00:24:30,069
that was crafted for some kind
of assassination attempt.
414
00:24:30,136 --> 00:24:33,640
- Does this pistol
fire the dart?
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00:24:33,706 --> 00:24:35,542
- Yes, it does, Mr. Chairman.
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00:24:35,608 --> 00:24:38,144
- Church was representing
a genuine desire
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00:24:38,210 --> 00:24:40,613
on the part of many Americans
to figure out
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00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,515
whether the CIA had gone wild.
419
00:24:42,582 --> 00:24:44,817
Was it a rogue elephant?
420
00:24:44,884 --> 00:24:47,153
- There were stories
that were broken
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00:24:47,219 --> 00:24:51,958
about the Castro assassination
attempts using the Mafia.
422
00:24:52,024 --> 00:24:56,228
Now they wanted to hear from
the mouth of these mobsters.
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00:24:57,697 --> 00:25:01,968
So the Church Committee
in 1975 called Johnny Roselli
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00:25:02,034 --> 00:25:04,904
and Sam Giancana to testify.
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00:25:08,474 --> 00:25:11,510
- The idea
that Roselli and Giancana
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00:25:11,578 --> 00:25:13,746
could talk
to the Church Committee,
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00:25:13,813 --> 00:25:17,717
traditionally,
you've cast your vote to die
428
00:25:17,784 --> 00:25:21,453
when you did that
in the Italian Mafia.
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00:25:22,154 --> 00:25:26,258
There was a commitment that you
were loyal to the organization
430
00:25:26,325 --> 00:25:29,629
and you would never
sacrifice the organization
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00:25:29,696 --> 00:25:30,830
for your life.
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00:25:35,802 --> 00:25:37,103
- At this point,
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00:25:37,169 --> 00:25:39,538
Johnny Roselli
and Sam Giancana
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00:25:39,606 --> 00:25:43,175
have traveled
a long road together.
435
00:25:43,242 --> 00:25:45,511
Johnny tells Sam
that he's broke
436
00:25:45,578 --> 00:25:48,047
and that he needs help
with his legal fees.
437
00:25:48,114 --> 00:25:52,284
Sam generously
offers him help.
438
00:25:55,021 --> 00:26:00,693
Then the conversation
takes a much darker turn.
439
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,762
Sam gives Johnny a warning.
440
00:26:02,829 --> 00:26:05,464
He's very concerned
about the closeness Johnny
441
00:26:05,531 --> 00:26:09,068
still has with Trafficante.
442
00:26:09,135 --> 00:26:12,271
Sam doesn't trust Trafficante.
443
00:26:12,338 --> 00:26:16,609
But Johnny still has
that loyalty to Trafficante.
444
00:26:16,676 --> 00:26:18,745
He feels
that he's still a friend.
445
00:26:18,811 --> 00:26:21,280
In fact,
when Johnny went to jail,
446
00:26:21,347 --> 00:26:25,251
Trafficante helped out
Johnny's family.
447
00:26:25,317 --> 00:26:28,855
Roselli just has trouble
believing that his friend
448
00:26:28,921 --> 00:26:30,857
could betray him.
449
00:26:30,923 --> 00:26:37,897
* *
450
00:26:51,010 --> 00:26:53,012
- In Chicago,
Giancana's still got his house
451
00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:54,981
that he bought in 1945.
452
00:26:55,047 --> 00:26:56,983
There's been a caretaker
family staying there
453
00:26:57,049 --> 00:26:59,285
while he was down in Mexico.
454
00:26:59,351 --> 00:27:01,587
He leaves the caretaker family
in the first floor.
455
00:27:01,654 --> 00:27:03,522
He makes the basement
his living area,
456
00:27:03,589 --> 00:27:06,358
and that's the area that he
uses when he meets with people.
457
00:27:06,425 --> 00:27:10,262
[jazzy music]
458
00:27:10,329 --> 00:27:13,265
[wolf howls]
459
00:27:13,332 --> 00:27:16,035
- * I'm lucky *
460
00:27:16,102 --> 00:27:19,872
* So lucky the arrow
missed my heart *
461
00:27:19,939 --> 00:27:25,477
- Late one night, Sam decided
to cook himself a meal.
462
00:27:25,544 --> 00:27:27,246
- Most Italian friends
of mine,
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00:27:27,313 --> 00:27:30,382
if it comes around 10:00
at night,
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00:27:30,449 --> 00:27:32,051
they want a snack.
465
00:27:32,118 --> 00:27:36,022
And that snack is gonna be
pasta, sausage, and peppers.
466
00:27:36,088 --> 00:27:41,227
- * I know that love's
a lark *
467
00:27:41,293 --> 00:27:43,629
[knock at door]
468
00:27:45,297 --> 00:27:48,234
- Somebody came to the door.
469
00:27:49,769 --> 00:27:52,839
- It would have been
someone that he trusted.
470
00:27:52,905 --> 00:27:56,342
- * It's just a tragic
picture show *
471
00:27:56,408 --> 00:27:59,478
- * Hey, Cupid,
don't be stupid *
472
00:27:59,545 --> 00:28:03,349
* She's lovely as can be *
473
00:28:03,415 --> 00:28:10,356
* I'm beggin' you,
don't point that thing at me *
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00:28:10,422 --> 00:28:12,358
* *
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00:28:12,424 --> 00:28:16,896
- The assassin put six
bullets into Sam's mouth
476
00:28:16,963 --> 00:28:18,430
to send a message.
477
00:28:18,497 --> 00:28:20,933
- * Hey, Cupid,
really off your mark *
478
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,905
- If you talk, squeal,
give up our secrets,
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00:28:25,972 --> 00:28:28,607
you're gonna wind up
just like he did.
480
00:28:28,674 --> 00:28:33,079
[dramatic music]
481
00:28:33,145 --> 00:28:37,616
- You can't escape from that
area in which he was killed.
482
00:28:37,683 --> 00:28:40,286
You'd have to run
from the front to the back
483
00:28:40,352 --> 00:28:41,720
to get out of the house.
484
00:28:49,996 --> 00:28:53,699
- Sam Giancana, the Chicago
crime syndicate chieftain
485
00:28:53,766 --> 00:28:56,535
recently named
in a reported CIA-Mafia plot
486
00:28:56,602 --> 00:28:59,738
to assassinate Fidel Castro,
has been shot to death.
487
00:28:59,806 --> 00:29:02,141
- Giancana's execution,
police said,
488
00:29:02,208 --> 00:29:05,111
was so big it, had to come
from the syndicate dons
489
00:29:05,177 --> 00:29:08,247
in New York, Chicago,
and Los Angeles.
490
00:29:08,314 --> 00:29:12,051
- Tony Accardo doesn't like
Giancana, hasn't for years.
491
00:29:12,118 --> 00:29:14,821
And, mm, maybe Sam will go,
show up at that committee,
492
00:29:14,887 --> 00:29:16,655
and not say anything
that'll hurt us.
493
00:29:16,722 --> 00:29:19,425
That's one probability.
Other probability?
494
00:29:19,491 --> 00:29:22,328
Maybe he will go and say
something that'll hurt us.
495
00:29:22,394 --> 00:29:26,698
- Even though it seems unlikely
that Giancana would have
496
00:29:26,765 --> 00:29:30,469
spoken, that he would have
betrayed his brethren,
497
00:29:30,536 --> 00:29:32,471
there was enough
concern about it
498
00:29:32,538 --> 00:29:35,107
that it looks to me like
the Chicago Outfit wanted
499
00:29:35,174 --> 00:29:37,944
to put him out of commission.
500
00:29:38,010 --> 00:29:39,812
- Johnny bitterly blamed
the Chicago Outfit
501
00:29:39,879 --> 00:29:41,814
for sanctioning
such treachery
502
00:29:41,881 --> 00:29:43,615
against one of its own:
503
00:29:43,682 --> 00:29:47,954
"They fucking
killed a dead man.
504
00:29:48,020 --> 00:29:50,722
Sam could barely climb
a short flight of stairs."
505
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:54,260
* *
506
00:29:54,326 --> 00:29:57,196
- After Giancana's killed,
the Senate investigators
507
00:29:57,263 --> 00:29:59,832
now suspect
that Trafficante
508
00:29:59,899 --> 00:30:05,337
or some of his well-armed
Cuban exile friends
509
00:30:05,404 --> 00:30:07,773
carried out the murder.
510
00:30:09,175 --> 00:30:11,810
- The gun, which was thrown
out a couple of blocks away
511
00:30:11,878 --> 00:30:14,981
from the murder scene,
is traceable to a gun place
512
00:30:15,047 --> 00:30:17,884
down in Florida.
513
00:30:17,950 --> 00:30:20,619
- But it's pretty much accepted
that he's killed
514
00:30:20,686 --> 00:30:22,454
because of internal
Outfit politics
515
00:30:22,521 --> 00:30:23,990
and he's killed
by someone he knows
516
00:30:24,056 --> 00:30:27,559
that's in the house
with him that night.
517
00:30:27,626 --> 00:30:31,663
- By far, the likeliest
suspect was Butch Blasi.
518
00:30:31,730 --> 00:30:34,901
Blasi had been inside
the Outfit for years--
519
00:30:34,967 --> 00:30:36,735
Giancana's driver-bodyguard.
520
00:30:36,802 --> 00:30:39,105
And he's the sort of guy
Giancana knew forever
521
00:30:39,171 --> 00:30:42,174
who'd--trusts him so much,
he turns his back on him.
522
00:30:42,241 --> 00:30:43,575
Sometimes in organized crime,
523
00:30:43,642 --> 00:30:45,945
that's exactly the guy
they send to kill you.
524
00:30:46,012 --> 00:30:47,779
* *
525
00:30:47,846 --> 00:30:50,782
- Butch Blasi was a very dear
friend of my father's.
526
00:30:50,849 --> 00:30:53,085
In fact, they were
almost like brothers.
527
00:30:53,152 --> 00:30:55,687
You know, my father
did a lot for Butch.
528
00:30:57,223 --> 00:31:01,593
Butch lived very well
because of my father.
529
00:31:01,660 --> 00:31:04,196
So I don't believe
Butch Blasi would
530
00:31:04,263 --> 00:31:05,564
do anything to my father.
531
00:31:05,631 --> 00:31:08,367
- * I know that love's
a lark *
532
00:31:08,434 --> 00:31:12,905
- I believe the CIA
killed my father that night.
533
00:31:12,972 --> 00:31:18,777
That door to the basement
was open almost 24 hours a day.
534
00:31:18,844 --> 00:31:21,680
[suspenseful music]
535
00:31:21,747 --> 00:31:24,516
They might have been able
to sneak in.
536
00:31:24,583 --> 00:31:27,219
They could have been
hiding down there.
537
00:31:27,286 --> 00:31:29,288
* *
538
00:31:29,355 --> 00:31:30,622
[suppressed gunshot]
[body thuds]
539
00:31:30,689 --> 00:31:37,063
Who has more to lose,
the CIA or the Mob?
540
00:31:37,129 --> 00:31:38,230
CIA.
541
00:31:38,297 --> 00:31:40,332
* *
542
00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:45,871
They were afraid that he
would squeal on them.
543
00:31:47,206 --> 00:31:50,576
- If, in fact, there's any
truth to the CIA involvement,
544
00:31:50,642 --> 00:31:54,246
perhaps his own peers
are afraid that he
545
00:31:54,313 --> 00:31:56,949
might be subpoenaed before
a congressional committee.
546
00:31:57,016 --> 00:31:58,784
And they would not want him
to appear there
547
00:31:58,850 --> 00:32:00,619
for reasons of their own,
548
00:32:00,686 --> 00:32:04,056
principally, not to engender
any more publicity.
549
00:32:08,460 --> 00:32:09,628
- Although friends
and relatives
550
00:32:09,695 --> 00:32:10,963
of the slain gangster
551
00:32:11,030 --> 00:32:13,132
were on hand
to pay their last respects,
552
00:32:13,199 --> 00:32:15,968
Outfit bigwigs were
conspicuous by their absence
553
00:32:16,035 --> 00:32:17,303
at the services.
554
00:32:17,369 --> 00:32:19,671
Apparently,
syndicate majordomos
555
00:32:19,738 --> 00:32:23,842
had passed the word to
their soldiers to stay away.
556
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:26,112
- Roselli is not there.
557
00:32:26,178 --> 00:32:28,447
Maheu's not there.
558
00:32:28,514 --> 00:32:30,382
Trafficante's not there.
559
00:32:30,449 --> 00:32:32,218
Sinatra is not there.
560
00:32:32,284 --> 00:32:33,885
Accardo's not there.
561
00:32:33,952 --> 00:32:36,655
None of the people
that have been in Sam's life
562
00:32:36,722 --> 00:32:40,159
in the last few years
are there except one person.
563
00:32:40,226 --> 00:32:44,130
* *
564
00:32:44,196 --> 00:32:48,334
- Phyllis McGuire was on
an airplane to go to Europe,
565
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,369
and she heard
of my father's wake.
566
00:32:50,436 --> 00:32:53,539
So they turned
the plane around.
567
00:32:53,605 --> 00:32:57,243
Phyllis came into Chicago
to come to the wake,
568
00:32:57,309 --> 00:33:00,846
and she stayed with us,
which was very, very nice.
569
00:33:00,912 --> 00:33:02,814
You know, you can't
condemn everybody
570
00:33:02,881 --> 00:33:04,650
all the time
for certain things.
571
00:33:04,716 --> 00:33:08,454
You've got to find
the goodness in some of them.
572
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,190
- Certainly, I think,
by the time of his death,
573
00:33:11,257 --> 00:33:13,792
they had moved on
from each other.
574
00:33:13,859 --> 00:33:16,062
- Roemer wrote,
"I give her credit.
575
00:33:16,128 --> 00:33:18,964
She had the guts to be seen
at his funeral."
576
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,003
- Giancana was to be buried
next to his wife, Angeline,
577
00:33:25,071 --> 00:33:28,174
in the family mausoleum
in Mount Carmel Cemetery.
578
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,176
Ironically,
the cemetery contains
579
00:33:30,242 --> 00:33:34,180
the remains of Giancana's
one-time boss Al Capone.
580
00:33:34,246 --> 00:33:39,017
* *
581
00:33:44,356 --> 00:33:47,226
- Following Giancana's murder,
the Senate committee
582
00:33:47,293 --> 00:33:49,795
is concerned
about Roselli's safety.
583
00:33:49,861 --> 00:33:51,497
Investigators decided
584
00:33:51,563 --> 00:33:54,733
to take a statement
from Roselli immediately
585
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,968
and to move up
his scheduled appearance
586
00:33:57,035 --> 00:33:59,171
before the full committee
by a few days.
587
00:33:59,238 --> 00:34:01,940
- Roselli doesn't flinch
about testifying:
588
00:34:02,007 --> 00:34:03,609
"They're not gonna
do anything to me.
589
00:34:03,675 --> 00:34:05,744
"If they want to kill me,
they're gonna kill me.
590
00:34:05,811 --> 00:34:08,980
But they're not
going to scare me."
591
00:34:09,047 --> 00:34:11,317
But this isn't
what he tells the FBI.
592
00:34:11,382 --> 00:34:13,284
In a memo,
an FBI agent recounts,
593
00:34:13,351 --> 00:34:15,987
"It is my recollection
that on at least one occasion,
594
00:34:16,054 --> 00:34:18,757
"in the presence
of Senator Howard Baker, Jr.,
595
00:34:18,824 --> 00:34:20,792
"Roselli told the senator
that he was concerned
596
00:34:20,859 --> 00:34:22,828
"for his safety and his life
597
00:34:22,893 --> 00:34:24,795
"and that he was risking
his well-being
598
00:34:24,862 --> 00:34:28,600
by testifying
before the committee."
599
00:34:28,667 --> 00:34:30,335
- Johnny Roselli's
not an idiot.
600
00:34:30,402 --> 00:34:32,438
If he wasn't scared, there's
something wrong with him.
601
00:34:32,504 --> 00:34:35,641
[dramatic music]
602
00:34:35,706 --> 00:34:38,976
* *
603
00:34:39,043 --> 00:34:42,181
- Roselli appears before
the Senate investigators.
604
00:34:42,248 --> 00:34:47,119
There is a lot
of security all around.
605
00:34:47,186 --> 00:34:50,489
During his testimony, Johnny
acknowledges what he knows
606
00:34:50,556 --> 00:34:53,391
about the Castro
assassination plot,
607
00:34:53,458 --> 00:34:55,627
but he doesn't go beyond
what he already
608
00:34:55,694 --> 00:34:58,464
has told Jack Anderson.
609
00:34:58,530 --> 00:35:01,567
The senators are very anxious
to find out more.
610
00:35:01,633 --> 00:35:04,270
In fact,
Senator Barry Goldwater
611
00:35:04,336 --> 00:35:06,772
starts quizzing Johnny
on specifics
612
00:35:06,838 --> 00:35:08,674
about the Castro plot,
613
00:35:08,740 --> 00:35:11,677
and Johnny sits back
and says...
614
00:35:11,743 --> 00:35:16,682
- "Senator, in my business,
we don't take notes."
615
00:35:16,748 --> 00:35:19,885
- When Senator Walter Mondale
asked who in higher office
616
00:35:19,951 --> 00:35:23,855
wants Castro dead, Johnny
wraps himself in the flag.
617
00:35:23,922 --> 00:35:26,625
- "I don't ask
any questions how high.
618
00:35:26,692 --> 00:35:29,795
"I was satisfied that I was
doing a duty for my country.
619
00:35:29,861 --> 00:35:32,964
I did it for honor
and dedication."
620
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,836
- He's very careful not to
name who's working with him.
621
00:35:37,903 --> 00:35:40,706
He takes a lot of effort
not to implicate
622
00:35:40,772 --> 00:35:43,309
former CIA agent Bill Harvey.
623
00:35:45,010 --> 00:35:48,614
He really does consider
Harvey a friend.
624
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,783
He feels that Harvey
really was down there
625
00:35:51,850 --> 00:35:54,420
to try to do a job.
626
00:35:54,486 --> 00:36:00,292
* *
627
00:36:00,359 --> 00:36:03,295
During his testimony,
Johnny is also asked
628
00:36:03,362 --> 00:36:06,198
about Judy Campbell,
and he tries his best
629
00:36:06,265 --> 00:36:09,301
to protect her
by taking the high road.
630
00:36:10,902 --> 00:36:12,671
- "I do not know
what Judith Campbell
631
00:36:12,738 --> 00:36:15,040
"has to do with this thing.
632
00:36:15,106 --> 00:36:16,708
"You know, it's a little
disgusting to me,
633
00:36:16,775 --> 00:36:18,210
"because I really
don't like to talk
634
00:36:18,277 --> 00:36:21,079
"about these things, women.
635
00:36:21,146 --> 00:36:23,282
"You are talking
about the White House
636
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:26,084
"and Judith Campbell
and all this.
637
00:36:26,151 --> 00:36:28,086
"If it was so,
I was not present,
638
00:36:28,153 --> 00:36:31,690
so it would be hearsay
on my part if I did hear it."
639
00:36:31,757 --> 00:36:34,726
- Johnny denies using Judy
as a courier
640
00:36:34,793 --> 00:36:37,229
to send messages
to Sam Giancana.
641
00:36:37,296 --> 00:36:40,232
- Roselli jokes,
"I would not give my mother
642
00:36:40,299 --> 00:36:42,901
a message to give to Sam."
643
00:36:42,968 --> 00:36:46,438
- The relationship between
Roselli and Judy Campbell
644
00:36:46,505 --> 00:36:48,274
almost parallels
the relationship
645
00:36:48,340 --> 00:36:51,076
with the Cuban exiles.
646
00:36:51,142 --> 00:36:53,279
I think he had the same
sort of sense of loyalty
647
00:36:53,345 --> 00:36:54,680
that he had
with the other people
648
00:36:54,746 --> 00:36:57,215
that he saw were in trouble.
649
00:36:59,150 --> 00:37:01,787
I think his heart goes to her
because she had walked
650
00:37:01,853 --> 00:37:04,155
into a dangerous game,
and he understood
651
00:37:04,222 --> 00:37:06,625
that she was really naive.
652
00:37:06,692 --> 00:37:08,660
[indistinct chatter]
653
00:37:08,727 --> 00:37:11,129
- Today the Senate
CIA investigators
654
00:37:11,196 --> 00:37:14,266
heard testimony from underworld
figure John Roselli
655
00:37:14,333 --> 00:37:16,635
about an alleged
CIA-Mafia plot
656
00:37:16,702 --> 00:37:18,637
to assassinate Fidel Castro.
657
00:37:18,704 --> 00:37:20,606
- Camera shy
and heavily guarded,
658
00:37:20,672 --> 00:37:23,241
as might be expected
after Sam Giancana's death,
659
00:37:23,309 --> 00:37:25,944
Roselli slipped up and down
back stairs at the Capitol,
660
00:37:26,011 --> 00:37:27,513
trying to avoid the press.
661
00:37:27,579 --> 00:37:29,681
Before the Senate committee
waiving immunity,
662
00:37:29,748 --> 00:37:31,350
Roselli was fully cooperative.
663
00:37:31,417 --> 00:37:33,985
For 2 1/2 hours, he told
of plotting with the CIA,
664
00:37:34,052 --> 00:37:36,955
starting in 1960,
to try to kill Castro
665
00:37:37,022 --> 00:37:39,858
by poison, by rifle,
trying to land hit teams
666
00:37:39,925 --> 00:37:41,327
by powerboat--
667
00:37:41,393 --> 00:37:43,962
one of the boats sunk
by a Cuban patrol vessel.
668
00:37:44,029 --> 00:37:46,698
Chairman Frank Church found
Roselli's firsthand account
669
00:37:46,765 --> 00:37:48,467
vivid but not complete.
670
00:37:48,534 --> 00:37:51,169
- He did fill out
the chronology
671
00:37:51,236 --> 00:37:53,339
and gave us
a great deal of detail.
672
00:37:53,405 --> 00:37:55,841
- What Roselli didn't know was
who gave the CIA its orders.
673
00:37:55,907 --> 00:37:57,909
And it's because of this
vagueness of command channels
674
00:37:57,976 --> 00:38:00,178
that the Senate Committee is
fighting with the White House
675
00:38:00,245 --> 00:38:03,849
over National Security Council
and other documents.
676
00:38:03,915 --> 00:38:06,552
* *
677
00:38:06,618 --> 00:38:08,920
- Even though publicly,
Johnny Roselli
678
00:38:08,987 --> 00:38:11,857
was saying he wasn't scared,
679
00:38:11,923 --> 00:38:14,960
the Mob knows
about your appearances
680
00:38:15,026 --> 00:38:16,662
before the grand jury.
681
00:38:16,728 --> 00:38:19,631
Sam Giancana
has already been killed.
682
00:38:19,698 --> 00:38:21,900
You have to be nervous.
683
00:38:21,967 --> 00:38:24,336
- Someone asks if he worries
for his safety.
684
00:38:24,403 --> 00:38:28,073
Roselli replies, "Who'd want
to kill an old man like me?"
685
00:38:28,139 --> 00:38:35,080
* *
686
00:38:35,146 --> 00:38:38,016
- Johnny doesn't have
much money at this time.
687
00:38:40,218 --> 00:38:43,622
And eventually, he can't
afford his legal bills.
688
00:38:49,361 --> 00:38:52,564
He's forced to give up
his posh lifestyle
689
00:38:52,631 --> 00:38:55,801
in Beverly Hills and Las Vegas
690
00:38:55,867 --> 00:38:58,737
to live with his sister
down in Florida.
691
00:38:58,804 --> 00:39:04,610
* *
692
00:39:04,676 --> 00:39:07,746
He can live
a more relaxed life
693
00:39:07,813 --> 00:39:09,615
and not have to worry
whether or not
694
00:39:09,681 --> 00:39:12,551
there's assassins
in the hedgerow there.
695
00:39:12,618 --> 00:39:19,658
* *
696
00:39:21,026 --> 00:39:24,563
I think what happens
in Roselli's later life
697
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:27,132
is that he says,
I'm gonna live my life
698
00:39:27,198 --> 00:39:31,703
in a certain kind
of peace and equanimity.
699
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,416
Johnny's found out that
his good friend Bill Harvey
700
00:39:44,483 --> 00:39:47,453
has dropped dead
of a heart attack.
701
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:50,456
Johnny calls Harvey's widow.
702
00:39:50,522 --> 00:39:53,559
[line ringing]
703
00:39:55,761 --> 00:39:58,296
- Roselli assures her
over a landline,
704
00:39:58,363 --> 00:40:02,701
"Any help you need, anything,
you just tell me."
705
00:40:04,903 --> 00:40:07,105
- A sense
of mortality and dread
706
00:40:07,172 --> 00:40:10,375
now hangs over Johnny's life.
707
00:40:11,777 --> 00:40:16,482
- He starts ruminating
on what his life amounted to.
708
00:40:16,548 --> 00:40:19,485
He thinks of all the sins
he committed as a wiseguy
709
00:40:19,551 --> 00:40:22,588
and how he tried
to make amends for those sins
710
00:40:22,654 --> 00:40:25,824
by being a soldier
in a war against communism,
711
00:40:25,891 --> 00:40:29,294
only to be thwarted by someone
he thought was a friend.
712
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,464
* *
713
00:40:36,267 --> 00:40:39,137
- One night, Johnny gets
together with Jimmy Fratianno,
714
00:40:39,204 --> 00:40:42,474
his old mobster pal.
715
00:40:42,541 --> 00:40:45,176
- Roselli says
to his friend Fratianno,
716
00:40:45,243 --> 00:40:46,778
"Remember when Santo
was jailed
717
00:40:46,845 --> 00:40:49,981
"and they grabbed his money
when Castro came into power,
718
00:40:50,048 --> 00:40:52,818
then suddenly he was released
with all his money?"
719
00:40:54,486 --> 00:40:56,321
"Shimon thinks
he's a Castro agent
720
00:40:56,387 --> 00:40:58,590
"spying on Cubans in Florida.
721
00:40:58,657 --> 00:41:01,326
"Sam shared that suspicion.
722
00:41:01,392 --> 00:41:03,228
"That's why Santo
sat on his ass
723
00:41:03,294 --> 00:41:05,964
and did nothing with all
that shit we gave him."
724
00:41:08,099 --> 00:41:09,601
"He was probably
reporting everything
725
00:41:09,668 --> 00:41:11,603
to Castro's agents."
726
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:17,743
* *
727
00:41:17,809 --> 00:41:18,910
[gunshot]
728
00:41:18,977 --> 00:41:26,017
* *
729
00:41:30,956 --> 00:41:35,026
According to an FBI memo,
Roselli tells an acquaintance
730
00:41:35,093 --> 00:41:37,596
that he would like
to go back to the church
731
00:41:37,663 --> 00:41:41,700
and would like to make
his peace with God.
732
00:41:41,767 --> 00:41:44,069
- At the end of his life,
733
00:41:44,135 --> 00:41:46,872
he returns to something
734
00:41:46,938 --> 00:41:49,274
that meant a great deal
to him early on,
735
00:41:49,340 --> 00:41:50,609
which is Catholicism.
736
00:41:50,676 --> 00:41:54,212
[choir singing in Latin]
737
00:41:54,279 --> 00:41:56,748
Don't forget,
he takes his name
738
00:41:56,815 --> 00:41:58,650
from a Renaissance painter
739
00:41:58,717 --> 00:42:02,654
that did religious figures
in the Sistine Chapel.
740
00:42:02,721 --> 00:42:04,890
[match strikes, fizzes]
741
00:42:04,956 --> 00:42:08,093
* *
742
00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:09,628
- [blows sharply]
743
00:42:09,695 --> 00:42:12,731
- I think he was at peace
about what probably
744
00:42:12,798 --> 00:42:15,801
was gonna happen to him.
745
00:42:15,867 --> 00:42:22,908
* *
746
00:42:40,892 --> 00:42:43,394
[engine grinding]
747
00:42:44,562 --> 00:42:46,531
[engine turning over]
748
00:42:52,437 --> 00:42:55,373
[dramatic music]
749
00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:02,480
* *
750
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:09,855
- I remember very well.
751
00:43:09,921 --> 00:43:12,824
His sister called me,
752
00:43:12,891 --> 00:43:14,525
and she said,
have you seen Johnny Roselli?
753
00:43:14,592 --> 00:43:16,061
And I went, no.
754
00:43:16,127 --> 00:43:20,531
* *
755
00:43:20,598 --> 00:43:23,669
He went to the golf course,
and he played golf
756
00:43:23,735 --> 00:43:26,204
and disappeared.
757
00:43:29,507 --> 00:43:32,644
- His brother-in-law
goes out looking for him.
758
00:43:34,212 --> 00:43:37,482
And then he remembers
a joke that Johnny made--
759
00:43:37,548 --> 00:43:40,819
if I'm ever missing,
check the airports.
760
00:43:40,886 --> 00:43:47,926
* *
761
00:43:56,835 --> 00:43:58,937
And there is the car.
762
00:43:59,004 --> 00:44:06,044
* *
763
00:44:17,989 --> 00:44:21,259
- Two weeks after they find
Johnny Roselli's car,
764
00:44:21,326 --> 00:44:23,428
fishermen find
a barrel floating
765
00:44:23,494 --> 00:44:26,097
in Dumfoundling Bay in Miami.
766
00:44:28,299 --> 00:44:32,437
- When they open it up,
they see a corpse in there.
767
00:44:32,503 --> 00:44:35,874
It's been strangled,
chopped up,
768
00:44:35,941 --> 00:44:38,944
and all of the limbs
have been sawed off.
769
00:44:39,010 --> 00:44:46,051
* *
770
00:44:48,153 --> 00:44:50,355
- John Roselli,
the second and last known
771
00:44:50,421 --> 00:44:53,058
key underworld figure
in an alleged CIA plot
772
00:44:53,124 --> 00:44:55,526
to kill Cuba's Fidel Castro,
has been murdered.
773
00:44:55,593 --> 00:44:57,395
A year ago,
mobster Sam Giancana
774
00:44:57,462 --> 00:44:59,664
was gunned down
just before he was supposed
775
00:44:59,731 --> 00:45:01,332
to testify about the plot.
776
00:45:01,399 --> 00:45:03,334
Roselli's body
has now been found
777
00:45:03,401 --> 00:45:04,836
in a bay off Miami Beach.
778
00:45:04,903 --> 00:45:06,838
Fishermen discovered it
wrapped in chains
779
00:45:06,905 --> 00:45:08,506
and stuffed in an oil drum.
780
00:45:08,573 --> 00:45:12,077
Florida authorities say it was
obviously a gang-style killing
781
00:45:12,143 --> 00:45:14,245
and the body was not meant
to be found.
782
00:45:14,312 --> 00:45:17,515
But gases from decomposition
caused the barrel to float.
783
00:45:19,317 --> 00:45:20,618
- At first, it seemed clear
784
00:45:20,685 --> 00:45:22,353
that the Mob
had killed Roselli.
785
00:45:22,420 --> 00:45:25,290
It had all the trappings
of a classic Mob hit.
786
00:45:25,356 --> 00:45:27,793
But very quickly,
people started
787
00:45:27,859 --> 00:45:29,795
to question that assumption.
788
00:45:29,861 --> 00:45:32,697
They wondered if the CIA
might have been involved.
789
00:45:34,165 --> 00:45:36,734
- Attorney General Edward Levi
has asked the FBI now
790
00:45:36,802 --> 00:45:39,337
to investigate the murder
of mobster John Roselli.
791
00:45:39,404 --> 00:45:40,772
- At first, officials assumed
792
00:45:40,839 --> 00:45:42,841
that the one-time
organized crime figure
793
00:45:42,908 --> 00:45:46,011
had been the victim
of a gangland assassination.
794
00:45:46,077 --> 00:45:48,179
However, some people
questioned whether it was
795
00:45:48,246 --> 00:45:49,747
just a gangland murder.
796
00:45:49,815 --> 00:45:52,784
- Is there any connection
between the murder
797
00:45:52,851 --> 00:45:55,586
of Roselli and Giancana
798
00:45:55,653 --> 00:45:58,389
and the assassination plots
against Castro?
799
00:45:58,456 --> 00:46:00,992
- Well, that's the kind of
thing that people think about.
800
00:46:01,059 --> 00:46:04,129
But I--
801
00:46:04,195 --> 00:46:06,031
when you find out,
let me know.
802
00:46:06,097 --> 00:46:09,000
- Moreover, Roselli's lawyer
has thrown doubt on the theory
803
00:46:09,067 --> 00:46:11,369
that the murder was
a simple underworld killing,
804
00:46:11,436 --> 00:46:14,305
insisting that Roselli,
who was 70 years old,
805
00:46:14,372 --> 00:46:16,341
had retired from the rackets
and would not have been
806
00:46:16,407 --> 00:46:19,010
a likely target
for a gangland murder.
807
00:46:19,077 --> 00:46:20,745
One thing that is clear
is that the murder
808
00:46:20,812 --> 00:46:22,547
was a very professional job,
809
00:46:22,613 --> 00:46:24,715
and no one concerned
holds out much hope
810
00:46:24,782 --> 00:46:27,652
that they'll ever figure out
who did it and why.
811
00:46:27,718 --> 00:46:34,659
* *
812
00:46:34,725 --> 00:46:39,497
- The way they killed Johnny
was to choke him quick.
813
00:46:41,766 --> 00:46:43,801
- Absolutely, absolutely.
814
00:46:46,471 --> 00:46:48,206
But who's to say
that the CIA
815
00:46:48,273 --> 00:46:50,575
couldn't emulate
a Mob killing?
816
00:46:50,641 --> 00:46:54,745
So in the end,
no one knows whether it was
817
00:46:54,812 --> 00:46:57,949
the Mob or the CIA
that killed Johnny Roselli.
818
00:47:00,818 --> 00:47:03,922
- Rudy Maxa
in "The Washington Post":
819
00:47:03,989 --> 00:47:05,690
"The day after Roselli's
body was scooped
820
00:47:05,756 --> 00:47:07,392
"from its crude coffin,
821
00:47:07,458 --> 00:47:10,461
"his brother-in-law
in New Jersey, Peter Cardillo,
822
00:47:10,528 --> 00:47:15,133
"told me,
'Down deep, in a way,
823
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,035
"'I probably hope
it was connected
824
00:47:17,102 --> 00:47:19,237
"'with the Castro affair.
825
00:47:19,304 --> 00:47:23,708
At least then, Johnny, he
would have died for a cause.'"
826
00:47:23,774 --> 00:47:30,715
* *
827
00:47:30,781 --> 00:47:33,118
- Johnny Roselli
is a center point
828
00:47:33,184 --> 00:47:36,187
in so many amazing stories,
from Las Vegas
829
00:47:36,254 --> 00:47:38,856
to the plots
to kill Castro.
830
00:47:40,758 --> 00:47:42,860
He's almost the image
of what you expect to see
831
00:47:42,928 --> 00:47:46,031
if you start to watch "Casino"
or some movie.
832
00:47:47,632 --> 00:47:50,735
He is the smooth,
suave operator,
833
00:47:50,801 --> 00:47:52,904
good-looking, flashy suit.
834
00:47:54,539 --> 00:47:57,808
When he gets involved
not just with the Mob
835
00:47:57,875 --> 00:48:00,645
but then later with the CIA,
836
00:48:00,711 --> 00:48:03,814
he finds a new calling.
837
00:48:03,881 --> 00:48:06,985
- I would say that
John Roselli loved America.
838
00:48:07,052 --> 00:48:09,820
I think that John Roselli
loved the idea
839
00:48:09,887 --> 00:48:11,156
of coming from nothing
840
00:48:11,222 --> 00:48:12,857
and making something
of yourself, right?
841
00:48:12,924 --> 00:48:14,259
That's the American dream.
842
00:48:16,061 --> 00:48:18,796
- Roselli, I think he had
a deeper character
843
00:48:18,863 --> 00:48:20,031
than a lot
of the other people,
844
00:48:20,098 --> 00:48:21,866
and I really do think
it has to do
845
00:48:21,933 --> 00:48:23,935
with an honor code.
846
00:48:24,002 --> 00:48:26,637
And, you know,
in some ways, arguably,
847
00:48:26,704 --> 00:48:28,406
he kind of dies for it.
848
00:48:29,340 --> 00:48:30,708
[engine grinding]
849
00:48:30,775 --> 00:48:34,512
* *
850
00:48:34,579 --> 00:48:37,182
For the Mob, the great victory
for these people
851
00:48:37,248 --> 00:48:41,286
is to not die in jail
or to not be whacked.
852
00:48:43,188 --> 00:48:45,156
And the only two
that didn't end up
853
00:48:45,223 --> 00:48:47,692
either whacked or in jail
854
00:48:47,758 --> 00:48:50,561
were Accardo and Trafficante.
855
00:48:52,597 --> 00:48:54,799
- The fact that Tony Accardo
had a long career
856
00:48:54,865 --> 00:48:57,535
in organized crime
and still died peacefully
857
00:48:57,602 --> 00:48:59,704
shows just how successful
he was
858
00:48:59,770 --> 00:49:01,973
at his, shall we say,
chosen profession.
859
00:49:04,442 --> 00:49:09,147
- As for Santo Trafficante,
here we are 60 years later,
860
00:49:09,214 --> 00:49:11,016
and we can't
answer definitively
861
00:49:11,082 --> 00:49:12,984
whether he was a double agent.
862
00:49:13,051 --> 00:49:16,587
- It would be almost
inconceivable to me
863
00:49:16,654 --> 00:49:20,491
that Trafficante
was spying for Castro.
864
00:49:20,558 --> 00:49:23,995
Of all the mobsters
who were involved in Cuba,
865
00:49:24,062 --> 00:49:28,399
Trafficante was the one
that had the most to lose
866
00:49:28,466 --> 00:49:30,068
by the Revolution.
867
00:49:30,135 --> 00:49:32,237
But anything's possible.
868
00:49:32,303 --> 00:49:37,208
The underworld is a universe
based on deception.
869
00:49:37,275 --> 00:49:40,045
And maybe we'll never know
what's true
870
00:49:40,111 --> 00:49:42,080
about Santo Trafficante.
871
00:49:42,147 --> 00:49:46,584
* *
872
00:49:48,419 --> 00:49:51,089
- If you were really
conducting an affair
873
00:49:51,156 --> 00:49:52,557
with President Kennedy,
874
00:49:52,623 --> 00:49:55,493
how could it have been
kept a secret for so long?
875
00:49:57,462 --> 00:49:59,164
- Well, I think
a tremendous amount
876
00:49:59,230 --> 00:50:00,698
is being revealed right now
877
00:50:00,765 --> 00:50:04,069
that many journalists
turned their heads against.
878
00:50:04,135 --> 00:50:06,437
They had no intention
of writing anything
879
00:50:06,504 --> 00:50:09,074
about Jack Kennedy
and his private life.
880
00:50:09,140 --> 00:50:10,975
They did nothing
but write about, really,
881
00:50:11,042 --> 00:50:12,577
the myth of Camelot.
882
00:50:12,643 --> 00:50:15,813
I was supposed to be on a show
this afternoon,
883
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,116
and Bill Boggs,
I believe his name is,
884
00:50:18,183 --> 00:50:20,051
he would not interview me.
885
00:50:20,118 --> 00:50:23,121
* *
886
00:50:23,188 --> 00:50:25,456
- So she was booked
on the show,
887
00:50:25,523 --> 00:50:26,591
and the book came through.
888
00:50:26,657 --> 00:50:28,393
Over the weekend,
I'm reading the book,
889
00:50:28,459 --> 00:50:30,761
and, Jesus.
890
00:50:30,828 --> 00:50:33,164
She's introduced to JFK
by Sinatra.
891
00:50:33,231 --> 00:50:35,400
Sinatra's hanging out
with Sam Giancana,
892
00:50:35,466 --> 00:50:37,935
the head of the Chicago Mob.
893
00:50:38,002 --> 00:50:40,705
All manner of salacious things
are happening.
894
00:50:40,771 --> 00:50:42,940
And, you know, Kennedy's dead.
895
00:50:43,007 --> 00:50:45,110
Who is gonna refute these?
896
00:50:45,176 --> 00:50:47,212
These are all allegations.
897
00:50:47,278 --> 00:50:49,780
* *
898
00:50:49,847 --> 00:50:51,649
And I announced
to the producer,
899
00:50:51,716 --> 00:50:53,218
no, I'm not interviewing.
900
00:50:53,284 --> 00:50:54,452
Why?
901
00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:56,287
I said, look, we had Sinatra
on this show.
902
00:50:56,354 --> 00:50:58,223
- To the birthday party.
903
00:50:58,289 --> 00:51:01,659
- This book
makes Frank look bad.
904
00:51:01,726 --> 00:51:03,894
I did it out of loyalty
to Frank
905
00:51:03,961 --> 00:51:05,796
and, on a second level,
906
00:51:05,863 --> 00:51:07,598
Jacqueline Onassis.
907
00:51:09,634 --> 00:51:14,739
Three days later, a letter
comes from Frank Sinatra.
908
00:51:16,707 --> 00:51:19,477
"Dear Bill,
my sincere thanks to you
909
00:51:19,544 --> 00:51:23,047
"for your refusing to talk
to the hustler with the agent.
910
00:51:23,114 --> 00:51:27,118
"I think you showed great
class and marvelous taste.
911
00:51:27,185 --> 00:51:29,487
"Good luck and take care,
912
00:51:29,554 --> 00:51:31,889
Francis Albert."
913
00:51:31,956 --> 00:51:33,090
Oh, boy.
914
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:40,231
At that time, in 1977,
the FBI and the Secret Service
915
00:51:40,298 --> 00:51:43,368
were denying Kennedy had
any affairs,
916
00:51:43,434 --> 00:51:46,103
even though it turns out,
a lot of it was true.
917
00:51:46,171 --> 00:51:49,607
But I had no reason
to know it was true.
918
00:51:49,674 --> 00:51:52,343
- Judith had been used
by all these powerful men
919
00:51:52,410 --> 00:51:56,514
but then was not believed when
she wanted to tell her story.
920
00:51:56,581 --> 00:52:00,218
The expense of believing in
the myth of these powerful men
921
00:52:00,285 --> 00:52:01,652
is that she was discredited
922
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,022
when at least a lot
of her story was true.
923
00:52:05,089 --> 00:52:09,727
In America, we can be
so susceptible to the mythology
924
00:52:09,794 --> 00:52:11,262
and trying to preserve that.
925
00:52:12,997 --> 00:52:16,367
- The Americans
had this self-view,
926
00:52:16,434 --> 00:52:20,671
and I think still do,
that everything we do is good.
927
00:52:20,738 --> 00:52:23,208
- This was the mindset.
928
00:52:23,274 --> 00:52:26,444
You know, we were
a grand superpower.
929
00:52:26,511 --> 00:52:29,547
We could play the game
of risk and win.
930
00:52:29,614 --> 00:52:35,353
But the secret war against
Castro and Cuba failed,
931
00:52:35,420 --> 00:52:38,556
and Castro survived
for decades.
932
00:52:40,090 --> 00:52:41,292
- You have to tip your hat,
933
00:52:41,359 --> 00:52:43,428
either admiringly
or grudgingly,
934
00:52:43,494 --> 00:52:45,563
to him
and his security services.
935
00:52:45,630 --> 00:52:50,235
They probably survived
more serious attempts
936
00:52:50,301 --> 00:52:56,874
by a more coherent and powerful
foreign intelligence agency
937
00:52:56,941 --> 00:52:58,876
than anybody in human history.
938
00:53:00,010 --> 00:53:03,047
- [speaking Spanish]
939
00:53:19,163 --> 00:53:21,466
[crowd cheering]
940
00:53:21,532 --> 00:53:23,834
- He was inflated
by all these other people
941
00:53:23,901 --> 00:53:26,471
trying to neutralize him.
942
00:53:26,537 --> 00:53:30,174
Left to his own devices,
he might have been forgotten.
943
00:53:30,241 --> 00:53:32,943
But paranoia inflates things.
944
00:53:33,010 --> 00:53:36,281
And then it becomes part
of government policy.
945
00:53:39,417 --> 00:53:42,453
- [speaking Spanish]
946
00:53:51,896 --> 00:53:54,599
[crowd cheering]
947
00:53:54,665 --> 00:53:57,702
- [speaking Spanish]
948
00:54:07,845 --> 00:54:12,917
- The true last man standing
is Castro.
949
00:54:12,983 --> 00:54:15,420
* *
950
00:54:15,486 --> 00:54:19,056
- Today the last
historic political figure
951
00:54:19,123 --> 00:54:20,891
of the Cold War is gone.
952
00:54:20,958 --> 00:54:22,159
[horns honking,
crowd cheering]
953
00:54:22,226 --> 00:54:24,295
- The front cover
of the "Miami Herald,"
954
00:54:24,362 --> 00:54:27,532
one word, very simple:
"Dead."
955
00:54:27,598 --> 00:54:30,435
People here are not protesting.
They are celebrating.
956
00:54:52,890 --> 00:54:55,393
- The literacy campaign
was an incredible achievement.
957
00:54:55,460 --> 00:54:58,496
You know, he created
world-class public medicine,
958
00:54:58,563 --> 00:54:59,897
creating
a social welfare state.
959
00:54:59,964 --> 00:55:02,867
So the Cuban Revolution
benefited
960
00:55:02,933 --> 00:55:06,537
the lives of many, many Cubans
over generations.
961
00:55:06,604 --> 00:55:08,839
That said, after the collapse
of the Soviet Union,
962
00:55:08,906 --> 00:55:12,343
the Cuban economy
went into a tailspin.
963
00:55:12,410 --> 00:55:14,979
- The tragedy for Cuba
is that they have the machines
964
00:55:15,045 --> 00:55:16,847
but no petrol to run them.
965
00:55:16,914 --> 00:55:18,883
- And there were
immense food shortages.
966
00:55:18,949 --> 00:55:21,952
- Castro's Cuba is a land
of contradictions.
967
00:55:22,019 --> 00:55:25,089
It has free medical care,
but political opposition
968
00:55:25,155 --> 00:55:29,360
is suppressed,
and the economy is a disaster.
969
00:55:29,427 --> 00:55:31,195
- Some good things
can be said about him.
970
00:55:31,261 --> 00:55:34,432
Some very bad things
can be said about his regime.
971
00:55:34,499 --> 00:55:37,802
- [speaking Spanish]
972
00:55:37,868 --> 00:55:40,971
- But Fidel Castro,
for better or for worse,
973
00:55:41,038 --> 00:55:43,608
was the longest
significant dictator
974
00:55:43,674 --> 00:55:45,209
in Latin American history.
975
00:55:45,275 --> 00:55:47,545
He put a little
Caribbean island nation
976
00:55:47,612 --> 00:55:49,079
on the world map,
977
00:55:49,146 --> 00:55:54,385
and Cuba has played,
since 1959, 1960,
978
00:55:54,452 --> 00:55:57,054
a world role
that is far greater
979
00:55:57,121 --> 00:56:00,725
than its physical size.
980
00:56:00,791 --> 00:56:04,795
- I always like to say
my hero is Fidel Castro.
981
00:56:04,862 --> 00:56:08,799
He wore fatigues,
never had a shave,
982
00:56:08,866 --> 00:56:11,068
had the best cigars
in the world,
983
00:56:11,135 --> 00:56:13,103
and owned a Caribbean island.
984
00:56:13,170 --> 00:56:14,972
I mean, how good does it get?
985
00:56:16,507 --> 00:56:18,275
That's Fidel Castro.
986
00:56:18,342 --> 00:56:20,778
[crowd cheering]
987
00:56:20,845 --> 00:56:23,514
* *
988
00:56:23,581 --> 00:56:26,784
- The moral of the story is...
989
00:56:26,851 --> 00:56:28,786
that it's probably
a lot harder to change
990
00:56:28,853 --> 00:56:30,755
the world than you think.
991
00:56:30,821 --> 00:56:34,024
* *
992
00:56:34,091 --> 00:56:37,828
A superpower that had
all these advantages
993
00:56:37,895 --> 00:56:43,133
believed it could implement
its will, and it couldn't.
994
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,270
- They felt,
with Castro's grandiose ego,
995
00:56:46,336 --> 00:56:50,207
that to humiliate him
would be worse than death.
996
00:56:50,274 --> 00:56:53,010
The irony of that is,
that had a boomerang effect,
997
00:56:53,077 --> 00:56:54,512
and it humiliated them.
998
00:56:54,579 --> 00:56:57,648
It became a permanent state
of humiliation
999
00:56:57,715 --> 00:57:01,251
for the forces of power that
were trying to kill Castro.
1000
00:57:01,318 --> 00:57:05,656
* *
1001
00:57:05,723 --> 00:57:09,927
- We should not have involved
ourselves with the Mafia.
1002
00:57:09,994 --> 00:57:14,465
An organization that does so
is losing control
1003
00:57:14,532 --> 00:57:17,201
of the security
of its information.
1004
00:57:17,267 --> 00:57:18,869
- If I read you correctly,
you're saying
1005
00:57:18,936 --> 00:57:20,671
it's the involvement
with the Mafia
1006
00:57:20,738 --> 00:57:22,707
that disturbed you
and not the decision
1007
00:57:22,773 --> 00:57:24,141
to assassinate
a foreign leader?
1008
00:57:24,208 --> 00:57:26,477
- Correct.
1009
00:57:26,544 --> 00:57:30,848
- What ended up contouring
a lot of these things
1010
00:57:30,915 --> 00:57:34,284
was an individual's
personal demons.
1011
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,722
What were their ego demons?
1012
00:57:37,788 --> 00:57:40,691
What were their
self-storytelling demons?
1013
00:57:40,758 --> 00:57:43,027
What were their
family dynamic demons?
1014
00:57:43,093 --> 00:57:44,529
What were their sexual demons?
1015
00:57:44,595 --> 00:57:48,332
Whatever that is,
there was an awful lot of that
1016
00:57:48,398 --> 00:57:50,434
at the center of this.
1017
00:57:50,501 --> 00:57:53,671
When the demons
are in the driver's seat
1018
00:57:53,738 --> 00:57:55,673
and they're given power...
1019
00:57:55,740 --> 00:57:58,475
* *
1020
00:57:58,543 --> 00:57:59,910
Time and time again,
1021
00:57:59,977 --> 00:58:02,513
we see that the country
isn't able to really
1022
00:58:02,580 --> 00:58:04,181
pull ourselves back
from the brink...
1023
00:58:04,248 --> 00:58:05,716
* *
1024
00:58:05,783 --> 00:58:08,753
Of a handful of people.
1025
00:58:08,819 --> 00:58:11,889
And to me,
that is what undergirds
1026
00:58:11,956 --> 00:58:13,724
a lot of this story.
1027
00:58:13,791 --> 00:58:18,162
* *
1028
00:58:18,228 --> 00:58:20,565
- And so the plot goes forward.
1029
00:58:20,631 --> 00:58:23,367
* *
1030
00:58:25,369 --> 00:58:25,636
* *
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