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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,940 --> 00:00:05,209 We're here with wrongful conviction attorney. 2 00:00:05,210 --> 00:00:07,530 - Madeline Scott. - We'd like to be your lawyers. 3 00:00:08,310 --> 00:00:10,410 Gore Bellows is the very prosecutor 4 00:00:10,430 --> 00:00:12,770 who wrongfully convicted Madeline and her brother 5 00:00:12,790 --> 00:00:15,389 of the first-degree murder of her best friend. 6 00:00:15,390 --> 00:00:16,800 Most of us in town still think 7 00:00:16,830 --> 00:00:17,889 you should be in jail. 8 00:00:17,890 --> 00:00:19,450 I would lose a Pulitzer 9 00:00:19,460 --> 00:00:20,510 for a date with you. 10 00:00:20,530 --> 00:00:21,729 I got a line on Madeline Scott. 11 00:00:21,730 --> 00:00:24,260 I announce my candidacy for attorney general. 12 00:00:24,270 --> 00:00:25,939 How many innocent lives has he destroyed? 13 00:00:25,940 --> 00:00:27,540 Are you sure you want to poke the bear? 14 00:00:27,570 --> 00:00:29,370 No, I want to rip his heart out. 15 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,340 Okay. 16 00:00:34,350 --> 00:00:36,020 Hilarious. 17 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:43,060 - You want another? - Yes. 18 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:44,090 - Yes. - Okay. 19 00:00:44,110 --> 00:00:46,300 Roxy, another round. 20 00:00:46,380 --> 00:00:48,080 Hey, I ain't never seen you in here before. 21 00:00:48,090 --> 00:00:49,480 No, but I love it. 22 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,359 - It's so hard-core. - Yeah? 23 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:52,929 We should do a selfie. 24 00:00:52,930 --> 00:00:53,930 Yeah? 25 00:00:53,940 --> 00:00:55,899 Yeah. 26 00:00:55,900 --> 00:00:59,039 Wait, no, I want to see the scar. 27 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:00,600 It's so hot. 28 00:01:00,610 --> 00:01:03,130 - Yeah? - Yeah. 29 00:01:03,140 --> 00:01:04,740 - Okay. Okay. - Okay. 30 00:01:04,780 --> 00:01:06,800 How's that? 31 00:01:06,860 --> 00:01:08,949 That's perfect. 32 00:01:11,050 --> 00:01:13,380 What are you doing in here all by your lonesome? 33 00:01:13,390 --> 00:01:15,880 You, looking to meet your prince charming? 34 00:01:15,900 --> 00:01:18,059 God, no. 35 00:01:18,060 --> 00:01:19,889 No, I'm here to serve you a subpoena 36 00:01:19,890 --> 00:01:21,530 in the Tamara Folsom case. 37 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:40,920 Bodie, cut him off at the next block! 38 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,680 Go... Just go after him! 39 00:02:27,220 --> 00:02:30,360 - Where is he? - He's in that truck... go. 40 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:31,450 You're bleeding. 41 00:02:31,460 --> 00:02:33,080 I'm fine. Will you go? 42 00:02:33,100 --> 00:02:35,090 No, come on. We'll live to fight another day. 43 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,139 Got to get you some stitches, maybe. 44 00:02:39,140 --> 00:02:40,800 Does it hurt? 45 00:02:40,820 --> 00:02:42,339 Yes, it hurts! 46 00:02:46,010 --> 00:02:48,679 The fight for justice is unending. 47 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,720 Every day in America, someone is wrongfully accused. 48 00:02:51,740 --> 00:02:54,010 And far too many are convicted. 49 00:02:54,020 --> 00:02:57,020 This podcast tells their stories. 50 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,120 On today's episode of Until Proven Innocent, 51 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,889 we'll discuss the case of Tamara Folsom. 52 00:03:02,890 --> 00:03:06,729 Tamara was charged with the murder of a man she never met. 53 00:03:06,730 --> 00:03:09,020 The police were confused, conflating 54 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,399 her boast of fighting back against the attacker 55 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,580 as a confession to the murder of a totally different person. 56 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,109 It was a terrible mistake 57 00:03:17,110 --> 00:03:19,409 that got Tamara locked away for life. 58 00:03:19,410 --> 00:03:21,750 Tamara told the truth, but the police 59 00:03:21,780 --> 00:03:24,419 either didn't hear her or didn't believe her. 60 00:03:24,420 --> 00:03:27,119 People say "the truth will set you free." 61 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,000 So what happens when telling the truth 62 00:03:30,020 --> 00:03:32,180 is what ends up costing you your freedom? 63 00:03:36,580 --> 00:03:39,160 Yeah, that's him. 64 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,869 That's him, all right. I'll never forget his ugly-ass face. 65 00:03:42,870 --> 00:03:45,369 He look old now, though. 66 00:03:45,370 --> 00:03:47,139 So, now what? 67 00:03:47,140 --> 00:03:50,470 Put him on the stand and he tells the judge I cut him. 68 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,079 Once we find him again, yes. 69 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,540 - Wait, you lost him? - We're going to find him 70 00:03:55,550 --> 00:03:57,350 and this photo's gonna get us another hearing. 71 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:58,979 To prep you, we want to go over your story 72 00:03:58,980 --> 00:04:00,949 - one more time, okay? - I'll just need 73 00:04:00,950 --> 00:04:03,049 to go over your story again, okay? 74 00:04:03,050 --> 00:04:05,389 It's not my "story," it's the truth. 75 00:04:05,390 --> 00:04:07,790 I've been telling the same story for years. 76 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,159 Why did you tell the police you slashed a man that night? 77 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,229 I was proud of it. 78 00:04:12,230 --> 00:04:14,569 Creep tried to rape me in a parking lot. 79 00:04:14,570 --> 00:04:15,929 Damn right I cut him. 80 00:04:15,930 --> 00:04:17,469 Why were you carrying a knife? 81 00:04:17,470 --> 00:04:20,170 Where I'm from, you always carry a knife. 82 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,350 When I was 12... 83 00:04:26,380 --> 00:04:28,180 my mom married a man 84 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,280 that would rape me every chance he got. 85 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,200 When I finally got old enough, I vowed 86 00:04:32,220 --> 00:04:34,349 I'd never let nobody do that to me again. 87 00:04:34,350 --> 00:04:36,789 After she divorced the son of a bitch, 88 00:04:36,790 --> 00:04:39,619 - we never looked back. - Does she still visit you? 89 00:04:39,620 --> 00:04:40,659 No, ma'am. 90 00:04:40,660 --> 00:04:43,790 She died a few years after they locked me up. 91 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,799 I never even got to go to her funeral. 92 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:47,760 I'm so sorry. 93 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,640 Then, after you cut Jeff Skadden, the police 94 00:04:50,660 --> 00:04:52,539 arrested you the next week for the murder 95 00:04:52,540 --> 00:04:54,769 of Tim Manning, who was also slashed that night. 96 00:04:54,770 --> 00:04:56,470 They kept asking me why I killed him. 97 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:57,779 I said I didn't. 98 00:04:57,780 --> 00:04:59,439 This wasn't the guy I cut. 99 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,040 I never even met the man. 100 00:05:01,050 --> 00:05:03,060 I didn't kill Rosemary. I swear. 101 00:05:03,100 --> 00:05:04,279 Why won't anyone believe me? 102 00:05:04,280 --> 00:05:06,480 I was defending myself against someone else. 103 00:05:06,490 --> 00:05:07,819 Why didn't your original lawyer 104 00:05:07,820 --> 00:05:09,319 look for the man you really slashed? 105 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,519 My public pretender. 106 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,189 He didn't believe a word I said. 107 00:05:15,190 --> 00:05:17,530 Worst piece of crap lawyer ever. 108 00:05:20,380 --> 00:05:21,569 Tamara. 109 00:05:21,570 --> 00:05:23,129 We hear you. 110 00:05:23,130 --> 00:05:25,039 We believe you. 111 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,000 And we're gonna do everything we can 112 00:05:27,010 --> 00:05:28,840 to get you the hell out of here. 113 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,780 The number of wrongful convictions in Cook County 114 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,220 is skyrocketing, and lazy, sloppy, 115 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,159 corrupt prosecutions are the reason. 116 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,160 There's only one man to blame for that. 117 00:05:54,170 --> 00:05:55,669 Gore Bellows. 118 00:05:55,670 --> 00:05:57,839 If you're just joining us, my guest today is 119 00:05:57,840 --> 00:05:59,239 Madeline Scott. 120 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,560 You may remember her as a drunken, lovesick teen 121 00:06:02,580 --> 00:06:04,460 who, along with her brother Levi, 122 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,940 allegedly murdered her best friend Rosemary Lynch. 123 00:06:08,020 --> 00:06:10,180 A conviction that never would have happened except for 124 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,179 the corrupt prosecution by Mr. Bellows. 125 00:06:12,180 --> 00:06:13,680 My brother and I spent 126 00:06:13,690 --> 00:06:15,450 ten years in prison for a murder 127 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:16,889 we didn't commit because. 128 00:06:16,890 --> 00:06:18,850 Bellows ignored a medical examiner report 129 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,459 that would have exonerated us. 130 00:06:20,460 --> 00:06:22,740 How many others are suffering in silence 131 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,090 because of his incompetence? 132 00:06:24,100 --> 00:06:26,800 Makes me wonder how the man thinks he's qualified 133 00:06:26,820 --> 00:06:29,099 to be Illinois's next attorney general. 134 00:06:29,100 --> 00:06:32,399 He's not. And I'll keep 135 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,969 telling my story to make sure that never happens. 136 00:06:34,970 --> 00:06:36,109 Thank you, Madeline. 137 00:06:36,110 --> 00:06:37,639 We'll be right back. 138 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,600 Nearly every defendant 139 00:06:46,620 --> 00:06:48,240 who can't afford their own attorney 140 00:06:48,260 --> 00:06:50,319 gets assigned a public defender. 141 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,559 The same was true for Tamara Folsom. 142 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,659 But, like many public defenders, hers was overworked 143 00:06:56,660 --> 00:06:58,329 and underpaid. 144 00:06:58,330 --> 00:07:01,569 I strongly advised Ms. Folsom not to testify. 145 00:07:01,570 --> 00:07:03,440 She'd already confessed to slicing the guy's neck. 146 00:07:03,460 --> 00:07:05,739 Admitting it in open court would only make matters worse. 147 00:07:05,740 --> 00:07:08,569 But we've identified that guy as Jeff Skadden, 148 00:07:08,570 --> 00:07:10,909 not the actual murder victim, Tim Manning. 149 00:07:10,910 --> 00:07:14,540 Same town, same night, two different neck slashes? 150 00:07:14,570 --> 00:07:16,449 - No one bought her story. - Is that why you didn't 151 00:07:16,450 --> 00:07:18,649 look for Skadden... because you didn't believe her? 152 00:07:18,650 --> 00:07:20,749 I did look and I couldn't find him. 153 00:07:20,750 --> 00:07:21,960 How hard did you look? 154 00:07:21,980 --> 00:07:24,760 I was balancing 73 cases that month. 155 00:07:24,770 --> 00:07:26,660 That's why I'm not a public defender anymore. 156 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:27,929 The arrest report noted 157 00:07:27,930 --> 00:07:30,529 that there was DNA evidence collected from the scene. 158 00:07:30,530 --> 00:07:32,920 Did you seek to ascertain the source of that DNA? 159 00:07:32,940 --> 00:07:35,020 Again, we didn't have the resources. 160 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:36,860 Did you do literally anything? 161 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:38,299 - Objection. - Your Honor, 162 00:07:38,300 --> 00:07:41,400 Mr. Bryce's testimony is nothing more than an attempt 163 00:07:41,420 --> 00:07:43,780 to cover up an inadequate trial strategy 164 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,779 that was manifestly unreasonable. 165 00:07:45,780 --> 00:07:48,849 Petitioner requests the court order a new trial on the grounds 166 00:07:48,850 --> 00:07:51,010 that Ms. Folsom's Sixth Amendment rights to a fair trial 167 00:07:51,020 --> 00:07:52,479 were grotesquely violated. 168 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,000 I'll take it under advisement, but I'm more interested 169 00:07:55,020 --> 00:07:57,010 in hearing from this Jeff Skadden. 170 00:07:57,020 --> 00:07:59,789 Your Honor, we're tracking him down as we speak. 171 00:07:59,790 --> 00:08:01,629 While court considers our motion, 172 00:08:01,630 --> 00:08:03,529 petitioner requests we be allowed to test 173 00:08:03,530 --> 00:08:07,129 the potentially exculpatory DNA evidence from the scene. 174 00:08:07,130 --> 00:08:09,029 It's time someone from her defense 175 00:08:09,030 --> 00:08:10,240 finally looks at it. 176 00:08:10,300 --> 00:08:12,399 I think it's a terrific idea. 177 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:13,800 Okay. 178 00:08:13,810 --> 00:08:14,909 We're adjourned. 179 00:08:14,910 --> 00:08:16,500 Do I get a new case? 180 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,000 - It's very positive. - That's so good. 181 00:08:18,020 --> 00:08:20,309 - Yeah, we're in good shape. - Yeah, buys us a few days 182 00:08:20,310 --> 00:08:22,049 - for Bodie to find Skadden. - Yeah, it's great. 183 00:08:22,050 --> 00:08:24,740 I have to go to La Grange for Levi's trial, 184 00:08:24,780 --> 00:08:26,280 so I'll meet you back at the office. 185 00:08:28,980 --> 00:08:30,180 Levi Scott 186 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,559 never should have been released from prison in the first place. 187 00:08:32,560 --> 00:08:34,989 He murdered my best friend. 188 00:08:34,990 --> 00:08:37,699 And I swore at her funeral I'd never forget. 189 00:08:37,700 --> 00:08:40,429 Now he attacks my husband for no reason whatsoever. 190 00:08:41,670 --> 00:08:43,730 Once a killer, always a killer. 191 00:08:43,740 --> 00:08:45,399 - You can quote me on that. - Thank you. 192 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,340 That was awesome, ba 14245

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