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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,311 --> 00:00:09,879 [dog barking] 2 00:00:21,717 --> 00:00:24,850 [light jazz music] 3 00:00:42,825 --> 00:00:44,696 - I think what you'll have to let me do 4 00:00:44,740 --> 00:00:47,569 is not ask me, is that the first time you went to America? 5 00:00:47,612 --> 00:00:48,657 Or anything like that, 6 00:00:48,700 --> 00:00:49,919 I think you just let me just talk 7 00:00:49,962 --> 00:00:52,965 and just get it over with, I think that's it, 8 00:00:53,009 --> 00:00:55,664 and um cause if, you know if you stop and I think 9 00:00:55,707 --> 00:00:58,145 oh I've got to think about that part of it now, 10 00:00:58,188 --> 00:00:59,755 have I can't I just? 11 00:00:59,798 --> 00:01:02,410 Do we have to cover every bit of it, you know? 12 00:01:05,891 --> 00:01:08,938 Anyway you know I will get into it but it's so 13 00:01:08,981 --> 00:01:10,896 boring to say all the. 14 00:01:14,596 --> 00:01:17,816 [soft orchestral music] 15 00:01:56,986 --> 00:01:59,902 I've got spacial intelligence. 16 00:02:01,208 --> 00:02:03,906 As a child of five I could have made a pair of shoes. 17 00:02:05,864 --> 00:02:09,303 It's for a pocket, that's why I drew me hand on it first. 18 00:02:11,043 --> 00:02:15,135 Sometimes the question is put to me, will you ever retire? 19 00:02:16,788 --> 00:02:21,967 What I say is, if people retire they do what they like, 20 00:02:22,011 --> 00:02:23,882 and I'm doing what I want in the sense 21 00:02:23,926 --> 00:02:25,754 that I feel I ought to do it, 22 00:02:25,797 --> 00:02:29,149 but if I really could do what I want, 23 00:02:30,846 --> 00:02:33,805 what I would do is I would learn Chinese. 24 00:02:42,814 --> 00:02:44,990 I mean I think that that blue on there 25 00:02:45,034 --> 00:02:47,776 is quite good actually, I think just for a change, 26 00:02:47,819 --> 00:02:50,213 I think it's fine but the multi-color, 27 00:02:50,257 --> 00:02:52,607 no not so good is it? Okay. 28 00:02:54,957 --> 00:02:56,045 - And the hair, Vivienne? 29 00:02:56,088 --> 00:02:57,002 - Sorry? 30 00:02:57,046 --> 00:02:59,048 - And the hair, the black girl? 31 00:02:59,091 --> 00:03:00,354 - No the hair looks lovely. 32 00:03:00,397 --> 00:03:01,442 I like the hair. 33 00:03:03,095 --> 00:03:07,665 And let's just try, how with her hair taken back, 34 00:03:07,709 --> 00:03:09,450 just to see if I like that better? 35 00:03:11,103 --> 00:03:13,062 I think she looks better, yeah. 36 00:03:13,105 --> 00:03:14,455 - Just pushed back a little bit further? 37 00:03:14,498 --> 00:03:17,371 - Yeah, no I don't like that at all. 38 00:03:17,414 --> 00:03:18,589 No, take it off. 39 00:03:20,896 --> 00:03:23,507 I don't remember doing this. 40 00:03:23,551 --> 00:03:25,944 Fuck them, they're just disgusting, 41 00:03:25,988 --> 00:03:27,598 we did such a nice thing. 42 00:03:28,730 --> 00:03:30,253 What's with this tiny hem? 43 00:03:30,297 --> 00:03:32,342 How did that happen? 44 00:03:32,386 --> 00:03:34,692 We decided we wanted a small hem? 45 00:03:34,736 --> 00:03:35,824 - Yes. 46 00:03:35,867 --> 00:03:36,694 - Are you sure? 47 00:03:36,738 --> 00:03:38,392 Why did I want a small hem? 48 00:03:38,435 --> 00:03:40,872 - That's what I had taken in my notes, saying here. 49 00:03:40,916 --> 00:03:43,397 - [Vivienne] I actually told you, put a small hem there? 50 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,399 I would never have said that. 51 00:03:45,442 --> 00:03:47,488 - Just in the drawing it was, so I just judged. 52 00:03:47,531 --> 00:03:49,054 - Well next time you make a judgment, 53 00:03:49,098 --> 00:03:50,273 don't make a judgment. 54 00:03:50,317 --> 00:03:52,841 Just get it into your head, I like a big rib. 55 00:03:52,884 --> 00:03:55,322 I don't like this tiny rib. 56 00:03:55,365 --> 00:03:59,064 It's crap, I really don't like it. 57 00:03:59,108 --> 00:04:01,937 Anyway, so I don't know if I want to show any of this shit, 58 00:04:01,980 --> 00:04:03,939 and I don't know what the fuck this is. 59 00:04:13,470 --> 00:04:16,778 [soft acoustic guitar] 60 00:04:21,696 --> 00:04:23,828 I don't know what I'm doing, it's a mess. 61 00:04:25,003 --> 00:04:26,918 It's my fault, it's just not good. 62 00:04:33,185 --> 00:04:35,492 - [Andreas] I think you should not do this thing. 63 00:04:35,536 --> 00:04:38,930 - I don't want to do it anymore, but what do we do? 64 00:04:38,974 --> 00:04:39,975 What do we about it? 65 00:04:40,018 --> 00:04:41,890 Who does do it? 66 00:04:41,933 --> 00:04:43,239 Let's just close the company. 67 00:04:44,719 --> 00:04:47,591 It's quite interested at doing it next season but, 68 00:04:48,636 --> 00:04:49,985 when I look at that, 69 00:04:50,028 --> 00:04:52,161 I don't know why it turned out not good. 70 00:04:54,076 --> 00:04:55,773 I like the princess coats. 71 00:05:08,177 --> 00:05:11,528 Anyway I'm just totally bored talking about this, 72 00:05:11,572 --> 00:05:13,661 but you need it, so I'll tell you. 73 00:05:17,055 --> 00:05:20,102 From the age of 11, 12, I made my own clothes. 74 00:05:24,324 --> 00:05:26,935 When I was little I saw a picture of the crucifixion, 75 00:05:26,978 --> 00:05:30,155 and it really did change my life. 76 00:05:30,199 --> 00:05:31,679 And I thought to myself, 77 00:05:31,722 --> 00:05:34,812 my parents, they've been deceiving me. 78 00:05:34,856 --> 00:05:36,727 They've told me all about baby Jesus but they 79 00:05:36,771 --> 00:05:38,468 never told me what happened to him. 80 00:05:40,035 --> 00:05:42,124 And I just thought, I can't trust the people in this world, 81 00:05:42,167 --> 00:05:44,169 I've got to find out for myself, 82 00:05:44,213 --> 00:05:45,997 this kind of thing can't happen. 83 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,396 I did feel that I had to be like a knight to stop 84 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,225 people doing terrible things to each other. 85 00:05:58,793 --> 00:06:00,708 And I think that that's had something to do with 86 00:06:00,751 --> 00:06:04,015 my fashion clothes as well, it's always got to be that. 87 00:06:05,713 --> 00:06:08,019 You know you've got to cut a figure 88 00:06:08,063 --> 00:06:11,022 and be prepared for action, 89 00:06:11,066 --> 00:06:14,591 and engagement, with things. 90 00:06:17,246 --> 00:06:20,684 [solemn orchestral music] 91 00:06:50,845 --> 00:06:54,805 And just before I was 17, my art teacher Mister Bell, 92 00:06:54,849 --> 00:06:57,199 he had the idea that I should go to art school. 93 00:06:59,984 --> 00:07:03,161 I stayed at art school for the term only, 94 00:07:03,205 --> 00:07:06,469 because we were so working class, 95 00:07:06,513 --> 00:07:10,778 it was like, how am I going to earn my living? 96 00:07:10,821 --> 00:07:13,084 And so then I thought, I know, 97 00:07:13,128 --> 00:07:15,957 I will go to teacher training college 98 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,525 and take art as my main subject 99 00:07:18,568 --> 00:07:21,136 and I'll try to be an artist. 100 00:07:21,179 --> 00:07:24,531 And then if I can't be an artist I can be a school teacher. 101 00:07:24,574 --> 00:07:26,228 And that's what I decided to do. 102 00:07:28,273 --> 00:07:32,277 We had bee hives then, 60's was coming, 103 00:07:32,321 --> 00:07:34,454 white shoes, oh God I loved them. 104 00:07:38,849 --> 00:07:41,330 With little lace-ups, like a nurse. 105 00:07:42,287 --> 00:07:44,986 Oh they were, they were fantastic. 106 00:07:49,164 --> 00:07:51,079 Rock and roll was just starting, 107 00:07:51,122 --> 00:07:53,821 and as a teenager and wanted to do what 108 00:07:53,864 --> 00:07:55,562 all the other teenagers were doing, 109 00:07:57,215 --> 00:08:00,131 that's where I met Derek Westwood in the end, yeah. 110 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,225 He was a great dancer, that Derek, a very good dancer. 111 00:08:16,626 --> 00:08:17,888 - [Announcer] Back from their honeymoon, 112 00:08:17,932 --> 00:08:19,673 she and Tim are headed for a life 113 00:08:19,716 --> 00:08:21,762 of wedded bliss, they think. 114 00:08:23,764 --> 00:08:25,156 - I grew up with the idea that you're 115 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,811 supposed to stay with one man, 116 00:08:27,855 --> 00:08:30,248 you're supposed to find the one man. 117 00:08:34,601 --> 00:08:38,343 What we were actually living was the American Dream, 118 00:08:39,606 --> 00:08:43,740 the housewife all smiling, all lovely little hair style 119 00:08:43,784 --> 00:08:46,830 and crisp with an apron on and everything, 120 00:08:46,874 --> 00:08:48,484 and hubby comes home, 121 00:08:48,528 --> 00:08:52,314 and he's got ideal family and somehow that's it, 122 00:08:52,357 --> 00:08:53,445 that's all you see. 123 00:08:54,708 --> 00:08:57,275 But the American dream stops there. 124 00:09:00,670 --> 00:09:04,239 I just realize, no no, it's all a load of old rubbish, 125 00:09:04,282 --> 00:09:06,676 what a lot of old bollocks that is. 126 00:09:09,244 --> 00:09:12,290 Somehow I had to explore, I had to get out. 127 00:09:20,951 --> 00:09:25,303 I got married when I was 21, and had Ben at 22, 128 00:09:25,347 --> 00:09:29,307 and Derek and I split up and mostly because 129 00:09:29,351 --> 00:09:33,181 I was not my fulfilling my potential to 130 00:09:33,224 --> 00:09:35,966 understand something about the world. 131 00:09:46,324 --> 00:09:49,414 - I remember Malcolm turning up. 132 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,506 I sort of remember my and mother and Malcolm 133 00:09:54,550 --> 00:09:56,247 from when I was about five. 134 00:09:58,293 --> 00:10:00,425 I remember, 135 00:10:00,469 --> 00:10:03,211 we used to live in a flat in The Oval, 136 00:10:03,254 --> 00:10:05,256 near the cricket ground. 137 00:10:05,300 --> 00:10:10,305 And Malcolm was very hot-headed and quite young, 138 00:10:11,262 --> 00:10:12,481 and he didn't want children around him, 139 00:10:12,524 --> 00:10:13,787 he didn't have much patience for us. 140 00:10:18,269 --> 00:10:22,926 - I stopped teaching, I had two children, Joe and Ben. 141 00:10:25,015 --> 00:10:28,497 Anyway Joe was Malcolm's son and he was born, 142 00:10:31,369 --> 00:10:32,632 Malcolm was ill, 143 00:10:33,981 --> 00:10:35,809 and I looked after him and that's how 144 00:10:35,852 --> 00:10:38,333 it all began, I didn't want him at all, 145 00:10:38,376 --> 00:10:42,337 but I felt that I've misled him by being too kind to him, 146 00:10:43,730 --> 00:10:45,688 and when I had Joe I wanted to have an abortion, 147 00:10:45,732 --> 00:10:47,429 and I really wasn't happy at all, 148 00:10:47,472 --> 00:10:49,561 and one day I suddenly realized, 149 00:10:49,605 --> 00:10:53,435 this man is gold, what am I doing? 150 00:10:55,393 --> 00:10:57,700 We went to Compendium Book Shop. 151 00:10:57,744 --> 00:11:01,443 We went to the Marxist shop in Chinatown. 152 00:11:03,184 --> 00:11:05,447 He came from a Jewish family, 153 00:11:05,490 --> 00:11:06,491 they knew the world. 154 00:11:08,755 --> 00:11:11,322 I was really a woman on a mission. 155 00:11:12,933 --> 00:11:15,022 Because I knew I was stupid, 156 00:11:15,065 --> 00:11:18,068 and I had to discover what was going on in the world. 157 00:11:28,557 --> 00:11:32,300 [rock and roll music] 158 00:11:32,343 --> 00:11:34,345 Malcolm had the idea of buying up 159 00:11:34,389 --> 00:11:37,174 these old rock and roll records, 160 00:11:37,218 --> 00:11:40,395 and he thought that he could sell them to trendy people. 161 00:11:44,094 --> 00:11:46,793 My favorite shop, Mister Freedom, 162 00:11:46,836 --> 00:11:49,621 was at 430 Kings Road, that's still my shop. 163 00:11:49,665 --> 00:11:52,407 That shop has got really a lot of history, 164 00:11:52,450 --> 00:11:54,365 it was the first this, the first that. 165 00:11:55,366 --> 00:11:57,325 Anyway, it wasn't doing very well, 166 00:11:57,368 --> 00:12:00,415 so the shop manager invited us 167 00:12:00,458 --> 00:12:02,330 to have the back half of the shop, 168 00:12:02,373 --> 00:12:04,071 to sell our records in. 169 00:12:05,899 --> 00:12:07,944 I borrowed some money off my mother, 170 00:12:07,988 --> 00:12:09,380 a hundred pound. 171 00:12:10,599 --> 00:12:14,603 And um, that's when we started also making clothes. 172 00:12:15,473 --> 00:12:16,605 We called it, Let It Rock. 173 00:12:19,564 --> 00:12:21,566 Every time we changed the name of the shop, 174 00:12:21,610 --> 00:12:23,655 we changed the clothes, you know? 175 00:12:27,050 --> 00:12:29,618 It's like doing a new collection each time. 176 00:12:32,447 --> 00:12:34,362 Malcolm had the idea that we were going to 177 00:12:34,405 --> 00:12:37,582 confront the establishment through sex, 178 00:12:37,626 --> 00:12:40,542 because he said, England is the home of the flasher. 179 00:12:42,718 --> 00:12:45,503 His slogan was, Rubber Wear for the Office. 180 00:12:47,854 --> 00:12:50,595 Was very clever, Malcolm, literarily and everything, 181 00:12:50,639 --> 00:12:52,641 except he never read anything. 182 00:12:55,426 --> 00:12:57,689 Why the hell does anybody need this? 183 00:12:57,733 --> 00:12:59,648 Can't you get a bit of old footage or something? 184 00:12:59,691 --> 00:13:01,824 No you can't, no you can't, I know that. 185 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:04,784 Anyway, 186 00:13:08,352 --> 00:13:12,052 he was interested in those 50's pin ups, 187 00:13:12,095 --> 00:13:14,576 where you've got girls who are just there, 188 00:13:14,619 --> 00:13:17,971 they've just been washed up by a ship wreck on the beach, 189 00:13:18,014 --> 00:13:20,582 and they're all torn, you know? 190 00:13:21,888 --> 00:13:23,977 I'm wearing something torn right now, 191 00:13:24,020 --> 00:13:25,543 it's really great this, 192 00:13:27,023 --> 00:13:29,634 I'll get up later on, it's all got this torn edge, love it. 193 00:13:30,940 --> 00:13:32,333 - [Interviewer] Shall we jump to the Sex Pistols, 194 00:13:32,376 --> 00:13:33,638 and how they came about? 195 00:13:33,682 --> 00:13:36,163 - No no, I can't be bothered with them, either. 196 00:13:36,206 --> 00:13:37,512 I don't know what we're going to do. 197 00:13:39,644 --> 00:13:42,909 Really, if I've got to talk about the Sex Pistols. 198 00:13:50,917 --> 00:13:52,570 - Have you finished? 199 00:14:15,593 --> 00:14:18,292 - This is the Destroy Muslin tee shirt. 200 00:14:20,381 --> 00:14:22,035 It's one of the most important pieces 201 00:14:22,078 --> 00:14:24,602 that Westwood and McLaren created. 202 00:14:25,995 --> 00:14:28,345 The, the garment is made from muslin. 203 00:14:29,433 --> 00:14:30,695 The sleeves, 204 00:14:31,871 --> 00:14:36,092 are very long and they fold back and then, 205 00:14:36,136 --> 00:14:37,528 this would clip on to here, 206 00:14:38,616 --> 00:14:40,140 so making it 207 00:14:41,532 --> 00:14:44,579 more wearable, but the notion of distortion 208 00:14:44,622 --> 00:14:46,146 of the sleeves, 209 00:14:46,189 --> 00:14:48,148 it reminds one a little bit of a straight jacket. 210 00:14:56,591 --> 00:14:58,767 But it's really all about the imagery. 211 00:15:00,073 --> 00:15:02,945 So here you've got a swastika, 212 00:15:02,989 --> 00:15:04,947 an inverted crucifix, 213 00:15:04,991 --> 00:15:09,604 the word 'destroy', and then lyrics for Sex Pistols, 214 00:15:09,647 --> 00:15:10,866 I'm an Antichrist. 215 00:15:12,999 --> 00:15:14,957 And what Westwood and McLaren were doing 216 00:15:15,001 --> 00:15:18,743 with these punk garments was confronting society. 217 00:15:37,806 --> 00:15:39,721 - We invented punk. 218 00:15:40,809 --> 00:15:42,985 Malcolm had just come back from America. 219 00:15:43,029 --> 00:15:46,554 He'd been managing The New York Dolls, 220 00:15:46,597 --> 00:15:51,602 and he put together a group, a pop group, 221 00:15:51,646 --> 00:15:56,651 from our Saturday boy Glen, and a couple of our costumers, 222 00:15:57,608 --> 00:16:00,655 and Johnny Rotten was quite a phenomenon, 223 00:16:00,698 --> 00:16:02,613 and he hasn't changed 224 00:16:02,657 --> 00:16:05,660 from being that phenomenon unfortunately. 225 00:16:05,703 --> 00:16:08,141 He should have changed to something else by now. 226 00:16:12,145 --> 00:16:17,150 Now then, my favorite shop is the World's End Shop, 227 00:16:19,239 --> 00:16:23,634 and we still sell stuff we designed at the time of punk. 228 00:16:23,678 --> 00:16:25,419 - Actually they look good on you. 229 00:16:26,637 --> 00:16:27,899 They do look good on you. 230 00:16:27,943 --> 00:16:30,728 - [Vivienne] And every time I design something, 231 00:16:30,772 --> 00:16:34,602 it has to have a story, it's got a character. 232 00:16:34,645 --> 00:16:39,041 I think that that story is part of a kind of a nostalgia 233 00:16:39,085 --> 00:16:42,740 that people can tap into. 234 00:16:42,784 --> 00:16:44,177 I mean things like this are reminiscent 235 00:16:44,220 --> 00:16:47,441 of Greek peasant costumes, this little kilt, 236 00:16:47,484 --> 00:16:49,530 and um, like the tartan, 237 00:16:49,573 --> 00:16:51,706 for this jacket and everything, 238 00:16:51,749 --> 00:16:55,405 and it's got, it's got an old sort of feeling to it, 239 00:16:55,449 --> 00:16:59,192 a little bit to do with rather sort of bandits 240 00:16:59,235 --> 00:17:01,237 in the countryside, that kind of thing, 241 00:17:01,281 --> 00:17:02,847 something that you might have seen 242 00:17:02,891 --> 00:17:04,719 at the Battle of Culloden, something like that. 243 00:17:06,851 --> 00:17:11,682 And I just think that 'cause it's got such content in there, 244 00:17:11,726 --> 00:17:16,731 and such a way to connect with the human expression, 245 00:17:17,688 --> 00:17:19,386 you know, how you walk, how you talk, 246 00:17:19,429 --> 00:17:21,736 you know, how you attract people, 247 00:17:21,779 --> 00:17:25,870 and I just think that that's why my clothes are timeless. 248 00:17:36,925 --> 00:17:38,709 - [Woman] Dame Vivienne Westwood. 249 00:17:38,753 --> 00:17:43,018 This is a lady whose global popularity knows no bounds, 250 00:17:43,062 --> 00:17:46,282 a Dame who personifies the powerful and subversive 251 00:17:46,326 --> 00:17:48,502 originality of British fashion. 252 00:17:49,633 --> 00:17:51,200 Ladies and gentlemen, may we present, 253 00:17:52,723 --> 00:17:55,117 Dame Vivienne Westwood. 254 00:17:55,161 --> 00:17:58,903 [upbeat orchestral music] 255 00:17:58,947 --> 00:18:03,038 [audience applauding and cheering] 256 00:18:13,962 --> 00:18:15,137 - There's Vivienne, you know, 257 00:18:15,181 --> 00:18:18,836 the fashion designer, 258 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,795 there is Vivienne, the campaigner, 259 00:18:23,537 --> 00:18:27,845 and there is Vivienne the person, you know. 260 00:18:35,201 --> 00:18:36,854 I like them all, ever such a lot. 261 00:18:41,207 --> 00:18:43,600 But I really like Vivienne, the person. 262 00:18:47,952 --> 00:18:49,258 I don't know why. 263 00:18:52,131 --> 00:18:53,567 I'm so, 264 00:18:55,438 --> 00:18:57,005 there is this word love, you know? 265 00:18:57,048 --> 00:18:58,485 In love with her? 266 00:18:58,528 --> 00:18:59,834 I really don't know. 267 00:19:04,143 --> 00:19:05,970 I really don't know. 268 00:19:12,107 --> 00:19:14,675 I just, I don't know, 269 00:19:14,718 --> 00:19:18,592 you know you speak about the love of your life and, 270 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:25,816 I don't know is it, 271 00:19:26,817 --> 00:19:28,210 was it lucky? 272 00:19:28,254 --> 00:19:31,300 Was it not lucky, I don't know. 273 00:19:31,344 --> 00:19:33,650 - [Photographer] Nice, yes. 274 00:19:35,261 --> 00:19:37,828 - [Andreas] It has never changed. 275 00:19:37,872 --> 00:19:42,877 If anything, it became stronger and stronger, the bond. 276 00:19:49,188 --> 00:19:51,451 I like everything about her, 277 00:19:53,540 --> 00:19:56,847 the smell, the way the hair falls, 278 00:19:56,891 --> 00:20:01,896 to every millimeter of her little body, everything. 279 00:20:16,345 --> 00:20:18,260 - The best compliment I can pay Andreas, 280 00:20:18,304 --> 00:20:20,262 is that I actually like living with him 281 00:20:20,306 --> 00:20:21,959 as much as being on my own. 282 00:20:34,885 --> 00:20:37,453 I accepted a teaching job, 283 00:20:39,890 --> 00:20:41,065 first in Austria, 284 00:20:42,676 --> 00:20:45,287 because I did need the money. 285 00:20:45,331 --> 00:20:47,463 The line is under the bust, 286 00:20:47,507 --> 00:20:50,597 and then, it's coming up here, in between. 287 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:51,989 And it's where I met Andreas. 288 00:20:56,167 --> 00:20:59,040 And then Andreas came with a group of students 289 00:20:59,083 --> 00:21:00,955 from Vienna to England, 290 00:21:00,998 --> 00:21:03,087 at the time when I was doing a fashion show. 291 00:21:03,131 --> 00:21:06,961 Of course I gave them seats to watch this fashion show, 292 00:21:07,004 --> 00:21:09,485 they were my students. 293 00:21:10,443 --> 00:21:13,054 And at the end of it, Andreas, 294 00:21:13,097 --> 00:21:15,317 I thought he was really cheeky, 295 00:21:15,361 --> 00:21:16,797 he didn't say it was great, 296 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,015 he gave me the idea that there was 297 00:21:18,059 --> 00:21:20,279 a lot of room for improvement. 298 00:21:23,151 --> 00:21:25,980 He stayed and he worked on the next collection. 299 00:21:28,852 --> 00:21:30,071 - It was the old studio, 300 00:21:30,114 --> 00:21:32,552 and she just let me live there. 301 00:21:34,031 --> 00:21:35,381 Dirty old place. 302 00:21:38,122 --> 00:21:39,515 Every night when once they left, 303 00:21:39,559 --> 00:21:44,564 I would, you know, get out this piece of leopard fur, 304 00:21:45,782 --> 00:21:48,394 under a table, and sleep on it on the floor, 305 00:21:49,395 --> 00:21:50,483 you know, all this mess. 306 00:21:52,963 --> 00:21:55,662 I even had fleas at one point. 307 00:21:59,970 --> 00:22:01,494 But it was very romantic and it was, 308 00:22:01,537 --> 00:22:05,411 and this place was full of cardboard boxes, 309 00:22:05,454 --> 00:22:07,369 and in these cardboard boxes 310 00:22:07,413 --> 00:22:10,503 was all the archive and clothes, 311 00:22:10,546 --> 00:22:13,767 and I would study them and you know, 312 00:22:15,072 --> 00:22:17,553 soon as everybody was gone I would open them up 313 00:22:17,597 --> 00:22:20,121 and look at these things and 314 00:22:24,081 --> 00:22:25,431 you know I sometimes would actually wear them, 315 00:22:25,474 --> 00:22:26,519 and go out in them. 316 00:22:28,085 --> 00:22:30,784 It was fantastic. 317 00:22:35,441 --> 00:22:38,792 Yeah, it was heaven, it was the real thing, 318 00:22:38,835 --> 00:22:42,709 it was the thing I always wanted, I just felt so happy. 319 00:22:57,071 --> 00:22:58,377 I never went back. 320 00:23:04,948 --> 00:23:06,167 - What is it? 321 00:23:06,210 --> 00:23:07,560 It's changing before me eyes anyway 322 00:23:07,603 --> 00:23:09,213 I don't know what-- 323 00:23:09,257 --> 00:23:11,390 - It's a square, the back, the front is a simple square, 324 00:23:11,825 --> 00:23:14,044 which is just draped a little bit. 325 00:23:15,481 --> 00:23:18,179 On the front, just a bit of nothing, 326 00:23:18,222 --> 00:23:19,789 it's just thrown on you a bit of cloth. 327 00:23:19,833 --> 00:23:23,706 - [Vivienne] He straight away started telling us what to do. 328 00:23:24,664 --> 00:23:26,709 - Here, or it can just be here, it's just a little square. 329 00:23:26,753 --> 00:23:28,058 - It's an apron or a dress? 330 00:23:28,102 --> 00:23:30,191 - It's an apron, but if I pin it in the back. 331 00:23:31,366 --> 00:23:34,021 - [Vivienne] He's so passionate about things, 332 00:23:34,064 --> 00:23:36,327 that you just have to do what he says. 333 00:23:37,894 --> 00:23:39,635 The people who had worked with me for quite a bit 334 00:23:39,679 --> 00:23:41,507 were very suspicious of him 335 00:23:41,550 --> 00:23:43,465 and he had to be careful and they're just thinking, 336 00:23:43,509 --> 00:23:45,119 who does he think he is? 337 00:23:45,162 --> 00:23:47,817 Telling us to do this that and the other. 338 00:23:52,082 --> 00:23:56,522 But they soon began to realize how talented he was, 339 00:23:56,565 --> 00:23:58,654 and so we all went along with it. 340 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,096 - I suppose I have to be honest and say 341 00:24:06,140 --> 00:24:09,056 I think in the beginning I was quite suspicious of 342 00:24:09,099 --> 00:24:12,494 Andreas because, who's this fucking guy? 343 00:24:12,538 --> 00:24:15,802 I mean he looks a bit kind of gay and he's, 344 00:24:15,845 --> 00:24:18,369 I don't know, he kind of wants to marry my mum 345 00:24:18,413 --> 00:24:20,546 and he's half her age and, 346 00:24:20,589 --> 00:24:22,373 you know what's all this about? 347 00:24:25,115 --> 00:24:27,204 But all I can is that, 348 00:24:27,248 --> 00:24:29,511 over the years that they've been married, 349 00:24:29,555 --> 00:24:32,427 it's been a huge relief to me, 350 00:24:32,471 --> 00:24:34,734 that has allowed me not to have to worry 351 00:24:34,777 --> 00:24:38,085 about my mum at all, because I know that he's, 352 00:24:38,128 --> 00:24:40,696 he's absolutely besotted by her, 353 00:24:40,740 --> 00:24:45,135 and um, you know thinks of her and her wellbeing, 354 00:24:45,179 --> 00:24:46,659 and looks after her in many ways. 355 00:24:47,921 --> 00:24:50,053 And that was a really nice relief, actually. 356 00:25:05,025 --> 00:25:07,506 - People didn't like you for being a punk. 357 00:25:10,030 --> 00:25:14,469 We wanted to undermine the establishment. 358 00:25:14,513 --> 00:25:17,559 The swastika, all these things meant we don't 359 00:25:17,603 --> 00:25:21,824 accept the values of this older generation. 360 00:25:21,868 --> 00:25:25,219 We hate it, we want to destroy it, we don't want it. 361 00:25:27,221 --> 00:25:30,529 We were, it was youth against age, that's what it was. 362 00:25:36,535 --> 00:25:40,321 But it had affected fashion such a lot, 363 00:25:40,364 --> 00:25:41,757 the hair styles even, 364 00:25:41,801 --> 00:25:46,327 my spiky hair was in vogue one one month later. 365 00:25:49,373 --> 00:25:53,334 And I realized that you weren't really 366 00:25:54,683 --> 00:25:58,339 attacking the system at all. 367 00:26:04,127 --> 00:26:06,913 It was being marketed all the time. 368 00:26:10,351 --> 00:26:13,789 I just realized that the real marketing opportunity 369 00:26:13,833 --> 00:26:17,793 was that the English society could claim 370 00:26:17,837 --> 00:26:21,318 how democratic and how free they were 371 00:26:21,362 --> 00:26:25,540 that somehow kids could revolt as much as that. 372 00:26:30,980 --> 00:26:33,330 In fact we weren't attacking the establishment, 373 00:26:33,374 --> 00:26:35,419 we were just part of the distraction. 374 00:26:49,477 --> 00:26:53,742 - So this fantastic ensemble is from the pirate collection, 375 00:26:53,786 --> 00:26:55,831 and it's one of the first pieces that the 376 00:26:55,875 --> 00:26:58,878 V and A acquired from Vivienne Westwood. 377 00:27:01,881 --> 00:27:04,405 It was from a time when the shop 378 00:27:04,448 --> 00:27:07,234 had become known as World's End, 379 00:27:07,277 --> 00:27:10,672 and Vivienne was experimenting with historical dress. 380 00:27:10,716 --> 00:27:13,806 - Like the snake print tunic, 381 00:27:13,849 --> 00:27:15,721 or the square-toed shoes. 382 00:27:16,939 --> 00:27:20,247 She'll take an idea and then chew it over, 383 00:27:20,290 --> 00:27:22,118 and shake it and shake it, 384 00:27:22,162 --> 00:27:25,905 and come up with the most extraordinary results. 385 00:27:27,471 --> 00:27:29,517 - The whole collection was absolutely joyful, 386 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,607 it was a kind of repost to the darkness of punk. 387 00:27:33,739 --> 00:27:36,698 She was introducing color and pattern, 388 00:27:36,742 --> 00:27:39,048 huge voluminous shirts, 389 00:27:40,354 --> 00:27:42,878 clothing that was worn by both men and women, 390 00:27:44,140 --> 00:27:48,492 clothing that was not about sexual identity, 391 00:27:49,624 --> 00:27:51,670 but was simply about enjoyment of life. 392 00:27:56,762 --> 00:27:59,503 [funk rock music] 393 00:28:08,338 --> 00:28:11,820 - I didn't consider myself a fashion designer at all, 394 00:28:11,864 --> 00:28:15,215 but I realized that I was very talented, 395 00:28:15,258 --> 00:28:18,218 and I felt that I wanted people to know 396 00:28:18,261 --> 00:28:20,742 that the stuff that was on the Paris catwalk 397 00:28:20,786 --> 00:28:21,874 had come from me. 398 00:28:25,138 --> 00:28:27,096 And I just thought I must get the benefit of this, 399 00:28:27,140 --> 00:28:29,533 I must enter this business world 400 00:28:29,577 --> 00:28:31,448 and start to really sell the clothes 401 00:28:31,492 --> 00:28:33,494 and present them to journalists 402 00:28:33,537 --> 00:28:34,582 and be a fashion designer. 403 00:28:34,625 --> 00:28:36,279 I realized that I could be. 404 00:28:38,368 --> 00:28:41,763 - [Interviewer] What is a self-confessed fashion anarchist 405 00:28:41,807 --> 00:28:43,460 doing in bourgeois Paris anyway? 406 00:28:44,287 --> 00:28:45,767 - You have to go where you have to go, 407 00:28:45,811 --> 00:28:47,334 you have to do what you have to do, 408 00:28:47,377 --> 00:28:49,902 and I certainly don't want to be underground, 409 00:28:49,945 --> 00:28:54,950 I want to be at a place of the most focus that I can find. 410 00:29:00,086 --> 00:29:02,088 Malcolm became very jealous of me, 411 00:29:02,131 --> 00:29:05,482 when I did fashion and he went into the music business. 412 00:29:07,093 --> 00:29:10,444 And he used to always pretend that everything was him. 413 00:29:15,492 --> 00:29:16,842 And I stayed with Malcolm 414 00:29:16,885 --> 00:29:18,408 because I respected him 415 00:29:18,452 --> 00:29:21,803 and had an incredible loyalty to him, 416 00:29:21,847 --> 00:29:25,241 but there came a point where I sort of completely 417 00:29:25,285 --> 00:29:28,810 outran Malcolm, he'd stopped really. 418 00:29:30,986 --> 00:29:34,424 His thinking had kind of stayed where it was. 419 00:29:36,862 --> 00:29:39,473 So I got intellectually bored with Malcolm. 420 00:29:55,532 --> 00:29:57,230 - Malcolm split from my mum, 421 00:29:57,273 --> 00:29:58,709 and he was horrible when he left. 422 00:29:58,753 --> 00:30:02,844 He was all full of tension, jealousy and, 423 00:30:04,454 --> 00:30:07,718 I don't know, just wanted, he was just one of them sort of 424 00:30:07,762 --> 00:30:10,852 people that when they, something changes like that 425 00:30:10,896 --> 00:30:13,550 in their life, particularly I think because Vivienne 426 00:30:13,594 --> 00:30:15,204 had decided that it was over. 427 00:30:16,075 --> 00:30:18,642 She couldn't bear it any longer, 428 00:30:20,601 --> 00:30:25,606 and so he just turned into a really horrible, spiteful 429 00:30:26,476 --> 00:30:29,088 phase in his, trying to smash everything up, 430 00:30:29,131 --> 00:30:30,480 which he sort of did. 431 00:30:32,961 --> 00:30:35,659 At a certain point it all sort of turned to dust, 432 00:30:35,703 --> 00:30:36,747 you know. 433 00:30:38,837 --> 00:30:41,491 And so he went off to Los Angeles to be 434 00:30:41,535 --> 00:30:44,930 this kind of movie producer, kind of thing, 435 00:30:44,973 --> 00:30:47,671 you know and Mister Big Bollocks, 436 00:30:47,715 --> 00:30:52,676 and we were left in Clapham trying to pick up the pieces. 437 00:31:00,771 --> 00:31:03,339 [dog barking] 438 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,875 - Andreas and I work together. 439 00:31:18,746 --> 00:31:21,575 We both work on the fashion. 440 00:31:24,317 --> 00:31:26,972 And he's been amazing. 441 00:31:31,672 --> 00:31:34,544 There's an awful lot of work needed 442 00:31:34,588 --> 00:31:38,853 from a fashion designer, and Andreas does the half of it. 443 00:31:41,551 --> 00:31:44,946 When you do a dress you've got to work out 444 00:31:44,990 --> 00:31:48,297 how to do everything, there's every little decision. 445 00:31:48,341 --> 00:31:49,995 You do it more than once. 446 00:31:50,038 --> 00:31:52,084 Make her bust smaller, I always keep asking. 447 00:31:52,127 --> 00:31:54,651 Maybe it's got so small because she's losing weight. 448 00:31:56,131 --> 00:31:59,047 You do one first, then you make it up in the real fabric. 449 00:32:00,005 --> 00:32:01,484 - Yeah, a little bit of padding is nice. 450 00:32:01,528 --> 00:32:02,616 - [Vivienne] A little bit of what? 451 00:32:02,659 --> 00:32:03,834 - Shoulder pads. 452 00:32:03,878 --> 00:32:06,054 - Then you decide how you're going to sew it. 453 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,405 All the time you're trying it on people. 454 00:32:11,625 --> 00:32:13,018 - What do you think, Vivienne? 455 00:32:16,325 --> 00:32:19,241 - [Vivienne] It's really good now that you've done that. 456 00:32:19,285 --> 00:32:21,983 - There is something here. 457 00:32:22,027 --> 00:32:23,593 - He needs me all the time. 458 00:32:23,637 --> 00:32:27,554 I consider myself at this point in time, as his reference, 459 00:32:27,597 --> 00:32:30,600 call it muse, I'm there to say yes or no or, 460 00:32:31,775 --> 00:32:33,777 I don't think we should be doing that. 461 00:32:33,821 --> 00:32:35,649 I think it would be much better if we, 462 00:32:35,692 --> 00:32:39,740 if we tried it this way or whatever, this kind of thing. 463 00:32:41,655 --> 00:32:43,613 - Honestly, everybody knows Vivienne. 464 00:32:43,657 --> 00:32:44,658 Vivienne, Vivienne, Vivienne. 465 00:32:44,701 --> 00:32:46,486 My real first shock 466 00:32:46,529 --> 00:32:49,706 when I first met them back in 2010, 467 00:32:50,969 --> 00:32:53,884 was the way that she was working with Andreas, 468 00:32:53,928 --> 00:32:58,324 at that time, 2010, or even before, since he arrived, 469 00:32:58,367 --> 00:32:59,151 nobody knew. 470 00:33:00,891 --> 00:33:03,024 That was my real first shock. 471 00:33:03,068 --> 00:33:06,854 It was like, wow, I thought that she was the designer, 472 00:33:06,897 --> 00:33:08,638 she was deciding everything, no. 473 00:33:09,813 --> 00:33:12,642 She was working like 50-50 with him. 474 00:33:15,689 --> 00:33:16,472 - Good. 475 00:33:16,516 --> 00:33:17,430 - [Vivienne] Do you think so? 476 00:33:17,473 --> 00:33:17,996 - Yeah. 477 00:33:19,127 --> 00:33:20,041 - 'Cause it needs something in the back. 478 00:33:20,085 --> 00:33:22,522 I don't like it all see-through. 479 00:33:22,565 --> 00:33:24,045 - [Andreas] She can have knickers on. 480 00:33:24,089 --> 00:33:25,220 - Well she's got knickers on, 481 00:33:25,264 --> 00:33:26,656 I just don't like to see the knickers. 482 00:33:26,700 --> 00:33:29,790 - [Andreas] I think there's a tiny bit of cotton taff. 483 00:33:29,833 --> 00:33:31,270 - [Vivienne] I mean that's what you want, 484 00:33:31,313 --> 00:33:33,837 that's exactly what you need, a bit of cotton taffeta. 485 00:33:35,883 --> 00:33:38,755 - Vivienne and Andreas work in a very particular way, 486 00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:40,757 and I think it's a very old fashioned way, 487 00:33:40,801 --> 00:33:44,587 but it's really how the great couturiers have always worked. 488 00:33:45,806 --> 00:33:47,112 They work with their hands. 489 00:33:47,155 --> 00:33:48,852 You know, they work on the body. 490 00:33:50,115 --> 00:33:52,769 It's very physical, Vivienne's clothes really 491 00:33:52,813 --> 00:33:55,076 have a rapport with the body as a result. 492 00:33:58,775 --> 00:34:01,996 - She's really an old-style teacher. 493 00:34:03,128 --> 00:34:05,826 He is a mess, 494 00:34:05,869 --> 00:34:08,176 like a proper student art mess, 495 00:34:08,220 --> 00:34:12,224 which from the mess, from the chaos, he can create. 496 00:34:13,747 --> 00:34:17,011 [light orchestral music] 497 00:34:26,151 --> 00:34:29,110 - I like to give my best and 498 00:34:29,154 --> 00:34:32,766 I question what I do constantly. 499 00:34:34,942 --> 00:34:39,120 Of course there are days where I'm quite content 500 00:34:39,164 --> 00:34:44,125 and maybe happy with who I am or what I've done, 501 00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:46,562 but most of the time, not. 502 00:34:46,606 --> 00:34:47,346 I'm really, 503 00:34:49,826 --> 00:34:52,525 it's hard work. 504 00:34:52,568 --> 00:34:54,135 - [Vivienne] I don't know, I mean it quite suits 505 00:34:54,179 --> 00:34:56,964 this sort of business suit she's got on to start with. 506 00:34:57,007 --> 00:34:58,270 - But if something cleaner, then maybe? 507 00:34:58,313 --> 00:35:00,185 - No I don't know, but what's her second, 508 00:35:00,228 --> 00:35:03,057 I mean I quite like her hair scruffy as it is. 509 00:35:03,101 --> 00:35:05,712 - I thought we did like a weird Marilyn version 510 00:35:05,755 --> 00:35:07,714 in like the scruffed up be quite interesting 511 00:35:07,757 --> 00:35:09,063 as well on her. 512 00:35:09,107 --> 00:35:10,325 - Yeah I love that. 513 00:35:10,369 --> 00:35:13,198 - A little cardigan and drapey trousers. 514 00:35:13,241 --> 00:35:16,244 - Ah, if she's got that. - Like a jogging thing. 515 00:35:16,288 --> 00:35:17,593 - All right that's nice, 516 00:35:17,637 --> 00:35:22,163 then the clothes are all right with that. 517 00:35:25,384 --> 00:35:27,473 No, that's her first look, that one. 518 00:35:27,516 --> 00:35:29,779 Okay so we have to get this outfit for Grace 519 00:35:29,823 --> 00:35:31,346 and what I wanted to do, 520 00:35:32,608 --> 00:35:34,958 somebody should tell her, or I'll tell her, 521 00:35:35,002 --> 00:35:37,091 I'm changing her outfit where is she? 522 00:35:37,135 --> 00:35:38,266 I'll find her. 523 00:35:44,229 --> 00:35:46,274 Oh and we've got to change your hair. 524 00:35:46,318 --> 00:35:48,972 I'm going back to change your hair, where is he? 525 00:35:49,016 --> 00:35:50,583 Changing the hair. 526 00:35:54,848 --> 00:35:56,763 - Everyone in this area, 527 00:35:56,806 --> 00:35:59,026 you don't need to be standing around here, move back. 528 00:35:59,069 --> 00:36:01,985 If you're a dresser stand right next to your rail. 529 00:36:04,292 --> 00:36:07,165 [soft jazz music] 530 00:36:26,314 --> 00:36:28,925 [crowd cheering] 531 00:37:25,373 --> 00:37:27,636 - Carlo is funny, I mean I don't know, 532 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,074 Carlo used to have a business that was selling carpets, 533 00:37:31,118 --> 00:37:35,949 and second hand watches, and cars and things, 534 00:37:35,992 --> 00:37:38,691 kind of hippy trader kind of guy. 535 00:37:57,405 --> 00:37:59,625 - I just happened to need to stay in Italy 536 00:37:59,668 --> 00:38:01,322 because that's where I was, 537 00:38:01,366 --> 00:38:05,979 the producers were, and I was designing in a space there, 538 00:38:06,022 --> 00:38:08,677 and working with this factory at, to begin with. 539 00:38:10,113 --> 00:38:13,639 - When I was 22 I was living in Rome, 540 00:38:13,682 --> 00:38:16,990 and then she was working in an Italian, 541 00:38:17,033 --> 00:38:19,122 in a factory near Florence. 542 00:38:20,689 --> 00:38:23,779 This factory was producing the Mini-Crini collection, 543 00:38:23,823 --> 00:38:27,043 and then when she went to Paris to do the collection 544 00:38:27,087 --> 00:38:30,830 I helped and I remember being on the train 545 00:38:30,873 --> 00:38:32,658 with all the kind of final pieces 546 00:38:32,701 --> 00:38:35,225 that had been done at the last minute, 547 00:38:35,269 --> 00:38:38,141 and I was sleeping on the seats. 548 00:38:38,185 --> 00:38:40,274 And then the show you know suddenly 549 00:38:40,318 --> 00:38:43,538 there was this show in Paris and it was just mind blowing. 550 00:38:46,889 --> 00:38:48,717 The most beautiful things. 551 00:38:53,243 --> 00:38:55,463 And all the spot shirts and 552 00:38:56,421 --> 00:38:57,813 it was unlike anything else. 553 00:39:01,208 --> 00:39:03,384 it was so, really being part of that 554 00:39:03,428 --> 00:39:06,169 you really felt like you were at the, 555 00:39:06,213 --> 00:39:07,388 you know it was something germinating 556 00:39:07,432 --> 00:39:09,259 and it just kept on and on. 557 00:39:10,652 --> 00:39:12,741 And yes it was wonderful. 558 00:40:10,495 --> 00:40:11,452 - Carlo had got a couple of 559 00:40:11,496 --> 00:40:13,149 really good opportunities for me, 560 00:40:13,193 --> 00:40:15,369 but they were destroyed by Malcolm, 561 00:40:15,413 --> 00:40:18,590 saying, you can't work with this woman, she's my partner. 562 00:40:18,633 --> 00:40:22,028 Your agreement with her is totally rubbish. 563 00:40:22,071 --> 00:40:24,204 You're wasting your money, you know, 564 00:40:24,247 --> 00:40:26,336 I'm going to take you to court. 565 00:40:26,380 --> 00:40:30,079 It was that, I'd forgotten Malcolm by then. 566 00:40:41,830 --> 00:40:44,180 - When those things fell through, 567 00:40:44,224 --> 00:40:46,618 I found myself back in England, 568 00:40:46,661 --> 00:40:50,752 and at that point I had to go and get social security, 569 00:40:50,796 --> 00:40:52,275 I didn't have any money at all. 570 00:40:55,104 --> 00:40:58,499 - I think we got a loan from my grandmother, 571 00:40:58,543 --> 00:40:59,935 Vivienne's mother Dora, 572 00:41:01,241 --> 00:41:03,939 because The World's End Shop had just been closed for 573 00:41:04,723 --> 00:41:06,115 don't know, a year and a half, two years, 574 00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:07,160 something like that. 575 00:41:08,857 --> 00:41:11,077 But the landlords hadn't rented it to anybody else, 576 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,426 it was just still sitting there, 577 00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:14,994 and even had a bit of stock still left in the back. 578 00:41:16,604 --> 00:41:18,563 - My grandfather had just died, 579 00:41:18,606 --> 00:41:20,608 and my grandmother was at a loose end, 580 00:41:20,652 --> 00:41:24,830 so she came down to London, so this was 1985. 581 00:41:24,873 --> 00:41:27,528 She came down to London and she worked here. 582 00:41:27,572 --> 00:41:29,138 She'd worked in her own shop before 583 00:41:29,182 --> 00:41:31,053 so she knew what she was doing. 584 00:41:33,012 --> 00:41:36,537 - [Joe] And Vivienne also started to make a few things 585 00:41:36,581 --> 00:41:39,497 on her old sewing machine again, to put in the store. 586 00:41:42,195 --> 00:41:44,371 - I had a driving license and a car, 587 00:41:44,414 --> 00:41:47,548 so I used to go and do, pick up the rolls of fabric, 588 00:41:47,592 --> 00:41:51,552 and go to shirt-makers and go to, 589 00:41:51,596 --> 00:41:53,772 the tailor up in Camden town. 590 00:41:55,948 --> 00:41:57,427 - And we opened the store again, 591 00:41:57,471 --> 00:41:59,125 and even when we opened the store 592 00:41:59,168 --> 00:42:01,475 for the first three months it had no electric in it, 593 00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:03,956 because that was all cut off and was trying to 594 00:42:03,999 --> 00:42:06,785 light the store with candles and you know? 595 00:42:08,351 --> 00:42:12,312 - I went back to London and then I started as her assistant. 596 00:42:12,355 --> 00:42:14,314 Malcolm would behave really badly 597 00:42:14,357 --> 00:42:17,143 and he'd made it very very difficult for her, 598 00:42:17,186 --> 00:42:19,362 and she just carried on working, 599 00:42:19,406 --> 00:42:21,147 she was working from her flat, 600 00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:23,497 and it was just the two of us for a while. 601 00:42:24,454 --> 00:42:28,241 Then Murray started working, 602 00:42:28,284 --> 00:42:30,373 and all sorts of people came 603 00:42:30,417 --> 00:42:32,332 but that was way before Andreas. 604 00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:38,207 - I was 23 and I was a very young sort of 23, I guess. 605 00:42:39,469 --> 00:42:41,341 And I was so honored to be, sort of, 606 00:42:41,384 --> 00:42:43,256 it was a big deal for me. 607 00:42:44,649 --> 00:42:45,780 It was in Camden town. 608 00:42:47,652 --> 00:42:50,611 Carlo D'Amario used to call it Bombay. 609 00:42:50,655 --> 00:42:53,353 It was really great, it was above an old carpet shop. 610 00:42:56,269 --> 00:43:00,012 It was really rancid, really rickety and old, 611 00:43:00,055 --> 00:43:01,230 and I loved it. 612 00:43:03,406 --> 00:43:06,453 [soft jazz music] 613 00:43:10,370 --> 00:43:12,372 - You know the people that were involved, 614 00:43:12,415 --> 00:43:14,766 it was as if they discovered the meaning of life, 615 00:43:14,809 --> 00:43:16,681 and it was the meaning of life 616 00:43:16,724 --> 00:43:19,771 and it's funny how clothes can be so emotional, 617 00:43:19,814 --> 00:43:23,470 the making of these, these things that you put on, 618 00:43:23,513 --> 00:43:25,646 and they make you able to face the world, 619 00:43:25,690 --> 00:43:29,171 and in a kind of you know spectacular way. 620 00:43:45,579 --> 00:43:47,712 - I had a success to start with, 621 00:43:48,930 --> 00:43:52,455 but the way it works is that when you are new 622 00:43:52,499 --> 00:43:54,240 and you do something new, 623 00:43:54,283 --> 00:43:55,284 then everybody's on to you, 624 00:43:55,328 --> 00:43:57,722 of they've discovered this new thing, 625 00:43:57,765 --> 00:44:00,942 and they all want to discover you all at the same time. 626 00:44:00,986 --> 00:44:02,988 Then, you just get left, 627 00:44:03,031 --> 00:44:05,730 and they want to know what's the next latest thing, 628 00:44:05,773 --> 00:44:08,254 that's how the English press treated me. 629 00:44:08,297 --> 00:44:10,386 I was always treated well in Italy. 630 00:44:11,736 --> 00:44:14,869 - I know every time you do a collection they say, 631 00:44:14,913 --> 00:44:18,481 crikey, Viv's blown it, don't they? [laughter] 632 00:44:18,525 --> 00:44:20,266 They say Viv's blown it, 633 00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:21,702 we don't know whether Viv's blown it this time 634 00:44:21,746 --> 00:44:24,618 because this is the new collection, what's it called? 635 00:44:24,662 --> 00:44:26,098 - Well I'd like to describe it, 636 00:44:26,141 --> 00:44:28,013 it's called Time Machine. 637 00:44:28,056 --> 00:44:29,667 - Time Machine, here we go. 638 00:44:31,625 --> 00:44:33,714 Tell us about this one then. 639 00:44:33,758 --> 00:44:37,718 When she started, people mocked her. 640 00:44:37,762 --> 00:44:39,502 Are people supposed to laugh? 641 00:44:39,546 --> 00:44:41,156 I mean they're laughing. [laughter] 642 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,507 - I remember when she was on the Terry Wogan Show, 643 00:44:44,551 --> 00:44:47,336 everyone laughed, I mean they didn't show the audience which 644 00:44:47,380 --> 00:44:49,948 was literally everyone was over about 80. 645 00:44:51,340 --> 00:44:52,777 - If they don't stop laughing, 646 00:44:52,820 --> 00:44:55,083 I shall tell the next person not to come on. 647 00:44:55,127 --> 00:44:57,303 - [Host] Oh dear, you're not to laugh. 648 00:44:57,346 --> 00:44:59,087 Is this a winter collection? 649 00:44:59,131 --> 00:44:59,871 - Yeah, 650 00:45:02,787 --> 00:45:05,790 and I've never met this response before. 651 00:45:05,833 --> 00:45:07,139 - It's like Vivienne had been invited 652 00:45:07,182 --> 00:45:08,749 on the show to be a joke. 653 00:45:08,793 --> 00:45:11,752 It was like she almost had to justify herself. 654 00:45:11,796 --> 00:45:14,799 - You design these clothes, not because they're witty, 655 00:45:14,842 --> 00:45:17,366 but because you believe they are attractive 656 00:45:17,410 --> 00:45:19,412 and they make people more attractive? 657 00:45:19,455 --> 00:45:21,675 - Yeah, that's it, yeah. 658 00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,329 - It was really made me furious, 659 00:45:23,372 --> 00:45:24,373 but she didn't give a fuck. 660 00:45:24,417 --> 00:45:25,810 She came out in the end and she said, 661 00:45:25,853 --> 00:45:27,463 oh that was just the best 662 00:45:27,507 --> 00:45:29,683 reaction I've had since punk. 663 00:45:29,727 --> 00:45:32,773 - And on that note, we haven't upset you have we? 664 00:45:32,817 --> 00:45:33,469 - No, no. 665 00:45:33,513 --> 00:45:34,819 - Not in the least. 666 00:45:34,862 --> 00:45:36,559 - Listen I don't mind, in fact I'm quite pleased, 667 00:45:36,603 --> 00:45:38,779 but I usually don't get that kind of reaction, 668 00:45:38,823 --> 00:45:39,954 it's a bit strange. 669 00:45:39,998 --> 00:45:40,781 - Get this reaction, ladies and gentlemen, 670 00:45:40,825 --> 00:45:42,087 Vivienne Westwood. 671 00:45:42,130 --> 00:45:43,392 [audience applauding and cheering] 672 00:45:43,436 --> 00:45:44,829 - But there was loads and loads of that, 673 00:45:44,872 --> 00:45:49,181 where she was always considered this sort of joke, you know, 674 00:45:49,224 --> 00:45:51,749 and in the end they couldn't ignore her anymore. 675 00:45:54,403 --> 00:45:58,059 [classical orchestral music] 676 00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:24,319 - I can't remember at what point the company 677 00:47:24,363 --> 00:47:26,974 became successful, but eventually it did. 678 00:47:29,934 --> 00:47:33,459 I'm still not happy with my company because 679 00:47:33,502 --> 00:47:35,678 at this point in time, 680 00:47:35,722 --> 00:47:38,725 it's actually expanded too much for me. 681 00:47:38,768 --> 00:47:40,509 Just the stripes are wrong, 682 00:47:40,553 --> 00:47:41,684 that's why it's not fastened. 683 00:47:41,728 --> 00:47:43,991 I'm in danger of not being able to control 684 00:47:44,035 --> 00:47:45,514 everything properly, 685 00:47:45,558 --> 00:47:50,563 and I certainly don't need to sell anything I don't like. 686 00:47:51,956 --> 00:47:55,089 I don't know who's in charge of this kind of thing. 687 00:47:55,133 --> 00:47:58,223 Who's going to tell the factory that this is unacceptable, 688 00:47:58,266 --> 00:47:59,528 that's what I want to know, 689 00:47:59,572 --> 00:48:01,182 I don't even know who is going to tell them. 690 00:48:01,226 --> 00:48:02,227 - Don't worry, I'll find out. 691 00:48:02,270 --> 00:48:03,619 - It's very lucky we tried it on, 692 00:48:03,663 --> 00:48:06,318 otherwise nothing would have happened with this. 693 00:48:08,537 --> 00:48:11,279 I need to reduce my product, 694 00:48:11,323 --> 00:48:13,238 and I'm having to sort of pull it back 695 00:48:13,281 --> 00:48:15,762 and rework things all the time, 696 00:48:15,805 --> 00:48:18,373 so that nothing gets left, 697 00:48:18,417 --> 00:48:20,201 so it gets tacky or it's done 698 00:48:20,245 --> 00:48:22,595 in not a good way, or something. 699 00:48:23,901 --> 00:48:26,729 And therefore I don't want to expand because that, 700 00:48:26,773 --> 00:48:30,733 that means I can't you know look after the problem 701 00:48:30,777 --> 00:48:32,735 that's close to me, well enough, 702 00:48:32,779 --> 00:48:34,824 'cause I've got too many things to deal with. 703 00:48:34,868 --> 00:48:36,739 - This is Marcia who of course hasn't been 704 00:48:36,783 --> 00:48:37,740 introduced properly. 705 00:48:37,784 --> 00:48:39,351 - Yeah, hello Marcia, I see. 706 00:48:39,394 --> 00:48:42,658 - So she now is responsible I've found for 707 00:48:42,702 --> 00:48:44,138 selling this collection. 708 00:48:44,182 --> 00:48:47,837 - Wait a minute Marcia, did you sell it to Gregor yesterday? 709 00:48:47,881 --> 00:48:49,056 - Yes we did. 710 00:48:49,100 --> 00:48:50,275 - 'Cause he said you didn't know anything, 711 00:48:50,318 --> 00:48:51,798 the person who didn't know your name, 712 00:48:51,841 --> 00:48:54,105 but he said she didn't understand the collection at all, 713 00:48:54,148 --> 00:48:57,630 so that's you, so now I've interrupted. 714 00:48:57,673 --> 00:49:00,546 What do you want to tell me, Murray? 715 00:49:00,589 --> 00:49:02,417 - I just wanted to introduce you. 716 00:49:02,461 --> 00:49:05,072 I mean I've been working with Marcia today, 717 00:49:05,116 --> 00:49:06,682 she's getting a lot more informed now. 718 00:49:06,726 --> 00:49:09,250 - Okay, and it's probably not your fault at all, 719 00:49:09,294 --> 00:49:10,730 you know, I mean but because-- 720 00:49:12,036 --> 00:49:14,995 No no, it's not just that, it's just that 721 00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:17,432 the connections aren't here. 722 00:49:17,476 --> 00:49:21,219 - The company has grown, it has become very big 723 00:49:21,262 --> 00:49:25,179 and she can't just press a button and undo all that. 724 00:49:25,223 --> 00:49:28,835 She's got a duty to support the people who are here, 725 00:49:28,878 --> 00:49:30,054 who have worked for her. 726 00:49:33,361 --> 00:49:36,495 And it's very difficult to just, 727 00:49:36,538 --> 00:49:39,585 undo some of those decisions that have been made, 728 00:49:39,628 --> 00:49:41,065 not by her, by the way. 729 00:49:42,196 --> 00:49:43,719 - You know, I don't know anything 730 00:49:43,763 --> 00:49:46,026 about the marketing people, as I've said, 731 00:49:46,070 --> 00:49:47,419 I don't know what they do. 732 00:49:47,462 --> 00:49:50,422 I don't know what information they need from me. 733 00:49:50,465 --> 00:49:53,338 Maybe there should be some way that these people 734 00:49:53,381 --> 00:49:55,253 start to understand early on 735 00:49:55,296 --> 00:49:57,429 what they're doing with the collection. 736 00:49:57,472 --> 00:50:00,649 I'm really really you know just so frustrated 737 00:50:00,693 --> 00:50:03,957 as to trying to find out what the heck they're doing, 738 00:50:04,001 --> 00:50:07,091 I mean they're wandering about doing I think, damage. 739 00:50:07,134 --> 00:50:09,832 I really don't know and I'm still of that opinion. 740 00:50:09,876 --> 00:50:12,226 I still haven't found out what they do. 741 00:50:12,270 --> 00:50:14,620 They explain to me ever so patiently always 742 00:50:14,663 --> 00:50:16,361 what they do, and I come away and I don't know 743 00:50:16,404 --> 00:50:18,363 what they've been talking about really. 744 00:50:20,191 --> 00:50:23,672 - I think some things were not exactly how she 745 00:50:23,716 --> 00:50:25,109 had envisaged them. 746 00:50:26,197 --> 00:50:29,069 And we are tweaking the concept, 747 00:50:29,113 --> 00:50:30,331 which is a normal thing. 748 00:50:31,898 --> 00:50:34,727 A company has to have some kind of growth plan, 749 00:50:34,770 --> 00:50:36,685 but it's not about world domination. 750 00:50:38,861 --> 00:50:42,039 It is about your visibility as a brand. 751 00:50:58,925 --> 00:51:00,231 - [MC] We're honored ma'am that you are able 752 00:51:00,274 --> 00:51:02,102 to be with us this evening, 753 00:51:02,146 --> 00:51:06,150 to present the 1990 Designer of the Year award. 754 00:51:06,193 --> 00:51:10,284 - That fashion industry was so against her from day one, 755 00:51:10,328 --> 00:51:11,720 they never liked her, 756 00:51:11,764 --> 00:51:15,768 and they didn't like to see her kind of come up. 757 00:51:15,811 --> 00:51:17,944 You know it was embarrassing going to those 758 00:51:17,987 --> 00:51:20,555 fashion award things where they kept giving out 759 00:51:20,599 --> 00:51:24,385 the Designer of the Year to everybody else apart from her. 760 00:51:24,429 --> 00:51:26,474 - Well, the winner, Vivienne Westwood. 761 00:51:27,736 --> 00:51:29,042 [audience cheering and applauding] 762 00:51:29,086 --> 00:51:30,565 - [MC] Designer of the Year couldn't have gone to 763 00:51:30,609 --> 00:51:33,742 anyone else this year other than Vivienne Westwood. 764 00:51:33,786 --> 00:51:35,701 The designers have made their thoughts known 765 00:51:35,744 --> 00:51:37,137 over the last couple of days, 766 00:51:37,181 --> 00:51:40,793 and the fashion press have positively demanded it. 767 00:51:40,836 --> 00:51:42,099 - Good evening everyone. 768 00:51:46,973 --> 00:51:49,802 - I think as a designer, she's a loose cannon really. 769 00:51:49,845 --> 00:51:52,805 Fashion needs continuity, and an actual design philosophy, 770 00:51:52,848 --> 00:51:53,762 which I don't think she has. 771 00:51:53,806 --> 00:51:54,763 - [Interviewer] But is she good? 772 00:51:54,807 --> 00:51:56,417 - Not in my opinion, no. 773 00:51:56,461 --> 00:51:58,941 - [Joe] It just was a joke, you know. 774 00:51:58,985 --> 00:52:01,553 And in the end they had to give it to her twice in a row, 775 00:52:01,596 --> 00:52:04,991 because it was so fucking embarrassing for them. 776 00:52:05,034 --> 00:52:07,602 - And it's my pleasure to announce that 777 00:52:07,646 --> 00:52:09,126 the Designer of the Year is, 778 00:52:12,346 --> 00:52:15,175 oh dear, Vivienne Westwood. 779 00:52:15,219 --> 00:52:17,830 [audience applauding and cheering] 780 00:52:17,873 --> 00:52:19,832 - [MC] So far no designer has been awarded 781 00:52:19,875 --> 00:52:21,834 Designer of the Year twice in a row, 782 00:52:21,877 --> 00:52:24,924 but Vivienne Westwood celebrated here tonight, 783 00:52:24,967 --> 00:52:27,187 for her awesome contribution to the British 784 00:52:27,231 --> 00:52:29,102 and international fashion arena. 785 00:52:29,146 --> 00:52:30,886 Long may they last. 786 00:52:38,677 --> 00:52:41,854 - The best thing about winning this award 787 00:52:41,897 --> 00:52:46,598 is a personal thing, the fact that one is appreciated. 788 00:52:49,166 --> 00:52:50,776 - It's regarded as something of a disgrace 789 00:52:50,819 --> 00:52:52,604 in the fashion industry that it's taken 790 00:52:52,647 --> 00:52:54,040 20 years for Vivienne Westwood 791 00:52:54,083 --> 00:52:55,824 to be given wider recognition, 792 00:52:55,868 --> 00:52:57,435 and now that she has, 793 00:52:57,478 --> 00:53:00,046 that no financial sponsors had the courage to back her. 794 00:53:00,089 --> 00:53:03,005 - Bring it up and perhaps above the head. 795 00:53:03,919 --> 00:53:04,920 It's nice and happy. 796 00:53:06,618 --> 00:53:10,578 - So I don't know at what point my company was a success, 797 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:16,149 and I think what it, I would remember when it, 798 00:53:16,193 --> 00:53:18,847 when it did become a success it's true. 799 00:53:19,848 --> 00:53:22,721 At one point we closed our Davis Street shop 800 00:53:22,764 --> 00:53:26,115 to give it a coat of paint and we took a temporary shop 801 00:53:26,159 --> 00:53:27,900 in Conduit Street, 802 00:53:28,901 --> 00:53:31,469 but we really started to make a lot of money 803 00:53:31,512 --> 00:53:34,123 because we were on the track where people passed, 804 00:53:34,167 --> 00:53:35,603 we weren't out of the way. 805 00:53:36,909 --> 00:53:39,955 And then sales increased and we we built it up 806 00:53:39,999 --> 00:53:42,697 from the real business of actually selling clothes. 807 00:54:01,238 --> 00:54:02,413 - [News Reporter] Designer and activist 808 00:54:02,456 --> 00:54:04,763 Dame Vivienne Westwood joined Greenpeace today, 809 00:54:04,806 --> 00:54:08,070 south of the North Pole, aboard the ship Esperanza. 810 00:54:08,114 --> 00:54:10,856 Alongside scientists, she'll be observing 811 00:54:10,899 --> 00:54:13,946 the impact of climate change on the arctic environment. 812 00:54:29,396 --> 00:54:33,922 - About 6 or 7 years ago I read in The Guardian 813 00:54:33,966 --> 00:54:37,709 an article by this amazing scientist, James Lovelock, 814 00:54:39,058 --> 00:54:41,495 and he said he thought by the end of this century, 815 00:54:41,539 --> 00:54:42,931 the 21st century, 816 00:54:42,975 --> 00:54:46,326 he thought there would be one billion people left. 817 00:54:52,158 --> 00:54:54,943 You know it just shocked me so much. 818 00:54:56,945 --> 00:55:00,514 It just froze me and I was traumatized, 819 00:55:04,431 --> 00:55:07,913 so I realized that this environmental problem 820 00:55:07,956 --> 00:55:12,004 was of incredible consuming urgency, 821 00:55:12,047 --> 00:55:15,181 the human race facing mass extinction, 822 00:55:16,225 --> 00:55:17,966 and then of course the point is 823 00:55:18,010 --> 00:55:21,361 what can we do to save ourselves? 824 00:55:26,148 --> 00:55:30,109 Throughout my life all my motivation has been 825 00:55:30,152 --> 00:55:32,981 because I've been so upset about what can happen 826 00:55:33,025 --> 00:55:36,333 to people in the world and I've always been so lucky. 827 00:55:37,421 --> 00:55:40,162 So everything became the urgent need 828 00:55:40,206 --> 00:55:41,207 to save the environment. 829 00:55:47,039 --> 00:55:50,172 - So Vivienne came down today. 830 00:55:50,216 --> 00:55:53,088 We've got this big climate march on the 21st of September, 831 00:55:53,132 --> 00:55:55,787 I know it clashes in with Fashion Week. 832 00:55:55,830 --> 00:55:57,005 She wants banners done. 833 00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,836 The deadline is the 18th and was wondering, 834 00:56:05,318 --> 00:56:08,800 was wondering if you could kindly let your interns help us? 835 00:56:08,843 --> 00:56:10,105 They need to be there by the 18th. 836 00:56:10,149 --> 00:56:11,455 - [Woman] How many do you need? 837 00:56:11,498 --> 00:56:15,154 - [Woman] Ten really big beautiful fracking banners. 838 00:56:15,197 --> 00:56:16,460 - That's quite a lot. 839 00:56:16,503 --> 00:56:17,896 - That is, that's what I mean, I feel really bad. 840 00:56:20,072 --> 00:56:22,117 - I'm going to put democracy shining 841 00:56:22,161 --> 00:56:24,381 over the top like rays of light, 842 00:56:26,861 --> 00:56:29,081 because we don't have any democracy in England. 843 00:56:31,039 --> 00:56:32,867 - We have a different approach in that she always 844 00:56:32,911 --> 00:56:35,043 likes to give it this meaning, 845 00:56:35,087 --> 00:56:40,092 and she likes when clothes have this message, which I 846 00:56:42,964 --> 00:56:45,489 think is good or not good I'm not sure. 847 00:56:47,229 --> 00:56:51,495 I'm sometimes bored by it but then she shouldn't hear that. 848 00:56:52,974 --> 00:56:56,413 I'm not very much bothered about this you know? 849 00:56:57,544 --> 00:56:59,024 It just needs to look good and and 850 00:56:59,067 --> 00:57:02,462 and and I need to like it and I'm happy with it. 851 00:57:08,860 --> 00:57:11,036 - She cares deeply whether she's going to be 852 00:57:11,079 --> 00:57:12,690 able to change the world, 853 00:57:12,733 --> 00:57:14,213 to make it a better place. 854 00:57:18,347 --> 00:57:20,524 We're looking at everything we do and trying 855 00:57:20,567 --> 00:57:24,223 to do less, but the most sustainable thing you could do 856 00:57:24,266 --> 00:57:26,399 is shut the company down perhaps, 857 00:57:26,443 --> 00:57:29,402 but actually of course we are employing a lot of people and 858 00:57:29,446 --> 00:57:32,274 and it's you've got to do it in a more 859 00:57:32,318 --> 00:57:35,234 sustainable way, that's the answer really. 860 00:57:36,583 --> 00:57:39,630 - This is the most amazing thing 861 00:57:39,673 --> 00:57:41,632 I've ever thought of or said. 862 00:57:43,155 --> 00:57:46,245 The awful rotten financial system is the enemy, 863 00:57:46,288 --> 00:57:47,855 it's like the hydra. 864 00:57:47,899 --> 00:57:49,161 Don't start chopping off, 865 00:57:49,204 --> 00:57:50,815 I shouldn't mention chopping heads now 866 00:57:50,858 --> 00:57:55,297 but we've got to kill the machine that is destroying us. 867 00:57:55,341 --> 00:57:57,256 The only way to kill the machine, 868 00:57:57,299 --> 00:57:58,779 is to change to a green economy, 869 00:57:58,823 --> 00:58:01,260 which is a rich economy, a fair economy, 870 00:58:01,303 --> 00:58:04,089 so if we could get everybody to switch 871 00:58:04,132 --> 00:58:06,439 to a green energy company, 872 00:58:06,483 --> 00:58:10,269 it would be the first step in the green economy. 873 00:58:10,312 --> 00:58:12,140 - Here, there is so many things going on here. 874 00:58:12,184 --> 00:58:16,667 There is like meetings, meetings, and meetings. 875 00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:20,409 Company meetings, the bags meeting, shoes meetings. 876 00:58:21,846 --> 00:58:24,544 And Vivienne she keeps herself super-busy 877 00:58:24,588 --> 00:58:26,546 with the climate revolution and all the appointments 878 00:58:26,590 --> 00:58:28,548 and the meetings that she have, NGO, 879 00:58:28,592 --> 00:58:31,333 blogs, website, so-- 880 00:58:31,377 --> 00:58:34,423 Maybe the collection can be done in three days. 881 00:58:34,467 --> 00:58:36,164 - I don't know. 882 00:58:36,208 --> 00:58:37,949 Let's see how. 883 00:58:37,992 --> 00:58:40,299 - This is so important to realize, 884 00:58:40,342 --> 00:58:45,347 to have a perspective on what is going on on our planet. 885 00:58:46,044 --> 00:58:47,741 [crowd cheering] 886 00:58:47,785 --> 00:58:50,396 - [MC] Thank you, Vivienne Westwood. 887 00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:52,616 - To really hurry up now, 888 00:58:52,659 --> 00:58:54,226 because now to cancel it is, 889 00:58:55,009 --> 00:58:56,620 hari kari number five. 890 00:58:56,663 --> 00:58:59,144 We work on it, we don't even look at it. 891 00:58:59,187 --> 00:59:00,580 It's not good. 892 00:59:00,624 --> 00:59:02,930 - Andreas has been having such a hard time. 893 00:59:02,974 --> 00:59:05,585 He's so tired, 894 00:59:05,629 --> 00:59:08,240 really and he's so upset. 895 00:59:08,283 --> 00:59:11,417 Because it's just such a hard work and he 896 00:59:11,460 --> 00:59:15,247 hasn't had much help from me and that's 897 00:59:15,290 --> 00:59:16,988 made a big difference. 898 00:59:18,250 --> 00:59:19,599 You know we used to do it together, 899 00:59:19,643 --> 00:59:22,167 but now I'm depending on him to do it 900 00:59:22,210 --> 00:59:24,212 mostly on his own really, 901 00:59:24,256 --> 00:59:25,997 and it's too much for him. 902 00:59:27,215 --> 00:59:29,478 It's really terrible anyway so he's, 903 00:59:29,522 --> 00:59:31,263 he's getting exhausted. 904 00:59:31,306 --> 00:59:36,311 - Everything, everything I asked you was not done. 905 00:59:37,922 --> 00:59:39,358 They had no socks on. 906 00:59:39,401 --> 00:59:41,447 I don't know why people don't go downstairs 907 00:59:41,490 --> 00:59:43,754 and get some socks from the shop. 908 00:59:43,797 --> 00:59:45,712 I mean it's just they're five people. 909 00:59:48,715 --> 00:59:50,021 - No, that's true there was no socks, 910 00:59:50,064 --> 00:59:51,283 and they were all- 911 00:59:51,326 --> 00:59:52,414 - But they're downstairs. 912 00:59:56,723 --> 00:59:59,813 One flight of stair down there are some socks. 913 01:00:01,380 --> 01:00:03,469 - But they all mix from the gold label most of them. 914 01:00:03,512 --> 01:00:04,949 - What do you mean mixed? 915 01:00:04,992 --> 01:00:06,385 We had no socks. 916 01:00:06,428 --> 01:00:10,084 You had 10 pairs of socks you tried all the fitting on. 917 01:00:10,128 --> 01:00:11,085 - And they were spring/summer. 918 01:00:11,129 --> 01:00:12,696 - This I don't care. 919 01:00:14,741 --> 01:00:17,004 You just need to go downstairs in the shop 920 01:00:17,048 --> 01:00:18,179 and get the socks. 921 01:00:29,321 --> 01:00:34,326 I mean that's just thick. 922 01:00:35,501 --> 01:00:40,506 Useless. 923 01:00:41,768 --> 01:00:43,857 I do it myself next time. 924 01:00:44,728 --> 01:00:45,772 - For the socks? 925 01:00:45,816 --> 01:00:47,339 - For everything. 926 01:00:51,648 --> 01:00:53,519 Anyway, you can go. 927 01:00:53,562 --> 01:00:54,346 Do your washing. 928 01:01:00,047 --> 01:01:04,922 - Okay. 929 01:01:15,497 --> 01:01:16,629 - They're all in plastic bags. 930 01:01:16,673 --> 01:01:19,937 Everything in see-through plastic bags. 931 01:02:30,616 --> 01:02:34,228 - You've just to think, I've got a few seconds, 932 01:02:34,272 --> 01:02:36,448 and I'm just going to look great, 933 01:02:36,491 --> 01:02:40,887 and in your head it should be everybody loves me, 934 01:02:40,931 --> 01:02:44,499 and I'm for today I'm being grown up, 935 01:02:44,543 --> 01:02:46,545 because I'm wearing rather grown up clothes. 936 01:02:46,588 --> 01:02:48,068 - Okay. 937 01:02:48,112 --> 01:02:50,984 - And you can be a bad child if you want as well, 938 01:02:51,028 --> 01:02:51,985 if you want. 939 01:03:02,300 --> 01:03:05,085 - You see a fashion show and of course 940 01:03:05,129 --> 01:03:07,653 you got the make up, you got the crazy hair, 941 01:03:09,133 --> 01:03:12,658 but at the same time, we want to try to sell them. 942 01:03:13,615 --> 01:03:14,703 So the day after, 943 01:03:14,747 --> 01:03:17,619 we have what is that the presentation, 944 01:03:18,882 --> 01:03:23,843 to all our managers from London, Paris, Milan, 945 01:03:25,279 --> 01:03:27,847 LA, New York, and our partner which they come from, 946 01:03:27,891 --> 01:03:31,590 Japan, Taiwan, China, South Korea, 947 01:03:33,026 --> 01:03:35,724 and who else knows better the collection than 948 01:03:35,768 --> 01:03:37,422 Vivienne and Andreas? 949 01:03:37,465 --> 01:03:38,597 Nobody else. 950 01:03:41,469 --> 01:03:42,514 - Excuse me, 951 01:03:44,037 --> 01:03:46,692 either come or go please, 952 01:03:46,735 --> 01:03:49,956 either sit down or fuck off yourselves. 953 01:03:53,568 --> 01:03:55,135 Listen our shops, 954 01:03:57,311 --> 01:03:59,618 I decided that 955 01:04:00,488 --> 01:04:01,881 I want this company to be one that 956 01:04:01,925 --> 01:04:05,058 sells only things that I like 957 01:04:06,277 --> 01:04:09,889 and unfortunately it's expanded so quickly 958 01:04:09,933 --> 01:04:14,198 and I'm awfully suspicious that our expansion 959 01:04:14,241 --> 01:04:19,159 has been based more on quantity rather than quality. 960 01:04:19,203 --> 01:04:23,555 I don't, I'm not interested in the money, sorry. 961 01:04:23,598 --> 01:04:26,471 And I know you are but this is what I want, 962 01:04:26,514 --> 01:04:30,475 I want people to buy the best that we've got 963 01:04:30,518 --> 01:04:34,218 and build their customers and not expanding. 964 01:04:35,045 --> 01:04:36,568 Anyway so, 965 01:04:36,611 --> 01:04:38,439 that's not Andreas is it, Andreas? 966 01:04:39,266 --> 01:04:40,920 - You continue. 967 01:04:40,964 --> 01:04:41,790 - Sorry? 968 01:04:41,834 --> 01:04:43,053 - [Andreas] You continue. 969 01:04:43,096 --> 01:04:44,968 - No no, I won't, I was waiting for you. 970 01:04:45,011 --> 01:04:46,404 - [Andreas] But it's not my job to speak 971 01:04:46,447 --> 01:04:48,145 in front of all these people. 972 01:04:48,188 --> 01:04:50,538 - Well I thought it was, that's what we've been waiting for. 973 01:04:50,582 --> 01:04:53,193 Well, whose job is it then? 974 01:04:53,237 --> 01:04:55,195 - The sales people. 975 01:04:55,239 --> 01:04:56,370 - Okay. 976 01:04:56,414 --> 01:04:57,806 - I don't know where the sales people are. 977 01:04:57,850 --> 01:05:00,592 Who sells this collection? 978 01:05:00,635 --> 01:05:03,508 - Well last season we did it ourselves and they're 979 01:05:03,551 --> 01:05:07,033 probably expecting us to do it again so there we are. 980 01:05:08,687 --> 01:05:11,690 Anyway, what I really love the feeling of 981 01:05:11,733 --> 01:05:15,955 poverty about these things, the neutral color, 982 01:05:15,999 --> 01:05:17,739 and it's not in your face 983 01:05:17,783 --> 01:05:21,091 it's just the woman. - It's just not prepared. 984 01:05:21,134 --> 01:05:22,005 Crazy. 985 01:05:22,048 --> 01:05:24,007 - Looks absolutely great, sorry. 986 01:05:24,050 --> 01:05:28,576 Okay, so there in the collection, 987 01:05:28,620 --> 01:05:29,708 there were one or two things 988 01:05:29,751 --> 01:05:32,754 we didn't show, because they didn't work. 989 01:05:32,798 --> 01:05:34,843 I've just got to make sure that we take them 990 01:05:34,887 --> 01:05:38,586 out of what's on the rails, and in the selling book. 991 01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:39,674 Anyway. 992 01:05:53,384 --> 01:05:56,865 - [Andre] She is a dress designer, and she's an activist. 993 01:05:56,909 --> 01:05:59,303 She's passionate about other issues 994 01:05:59,346 --> 01:06:00,957 other than just putting a dress on. 995 01:06:02,045 --> 01:06:04,264 What I'm very surprised is, 996 01:06:04,308 --> 01:06:05,831 and I think it's the height of elegance, 997 01:06:05,874 --> 01:06:07,920 is that on this day 998 01:06:07,964 --> 01:06:11,576 when she is opening a store in Manhattan, 999 01:06:11,619 --> 01:06:15,058 Vivienne has chosen not to fly across the pond, 1000 01:06:15,101 --> 01:06:17,582 and she's sitting at home working her thesis 1001 01:06:17,625 --> 01:06:21,890 about global warming or capitalism. 1002 01:06:21,934 --> 01:06:23,892 She's very concerned about our planet. 1003 01:06:31,422 --> 01:06:33,685 - I'm having a rave of a time. 1004 01:06:33,728 --> 01:06:35,600 I've sorted the whole company out. 1005 01:06:35,643 --> 01:06:38,081 I've got everybody doing what I want. 1006 01:06:38,124 --> 01:06:40,648 The plan is we've got to work with the designers, 1007 01:06:40,692 --> 01:06:42,085 that's what's been wrong. 1008 01:06:42,128 --> 01:06:44,826 I can't believe when I'm looking into it, 1009 01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:47,699 there's shops worldwide. 1010 01:06:47,742 --> 01:06:50,876 How many pairs of fucking plastic shoes we sell 1011 01:06:50,919 --> 01:06:52,834 and all that stuff. 1012 01:06:52,878 --> 01:06:55,489 I can't believe it, 1013 01:06:55,533 --> 01:06:56,925 and of course I'm the designer 1014 01:06:56,969 --> 01:06:58,536 and I've got total control 1015 01:06:58,579 --> 01:07:01,060 because I cannot just say look, 1016 01:07:01,104 --> 01:07:03,628 if I don't like the design, 1017 01:07:03,671 --> 01:07:07,762 then you can't I do it if I don't like my own designs, 1018 01:07:07,806 --> 01:07:10,722 I can't give them to you, I've got artistic control. 1019 01:07:10,765 --> 01:07:12,071 I mean it's very very simple. 1020 01:07:13,768 --> 01:07:17,555 [dramatic orchestral music] 1021 01:07:32,222 --> 01:07:34,354 - I always wondered what it would have looked like 1022 01:07:34,398 --> 01:07:35,703 with a black ceiling. 1023 01:07:35,747 --> 01:07:37,096 I always wanted a black ceiling. 1024 01:07:37,140 --> 01:07:38,489 Andreas won't do it. 1025 01:07:41,622 --> 01:07:45,017 I always like to try it and see if it works. 1026 01:07:45,061 --> 01:07:46,801 Hello hello Simone. 1027 01:07:48,281 --> 01:07:50,414 I'm alright thank you. 1028 01:07:50,457 --> 01:07:52,111 I haven't made my mind up about the shop yet, 1029 01:07:52,155 --> 01:07:53,852 I'm just only-- 1030 01:07:53,895 --> 01:07:55,680 - We just love everything here. 1031 01:07:55,723 --> 01:07:57,290 - I've got to make my mind up. 1032 01:07:57,334 --> 01:08:01,860 I'm in the process of absorbing it at the moment. 1033 01:08:03,862 --> 01:08:05,820 It must stop growing, 1034 01:08:05,864 --> 01:08:09,998 but it's very very difficult to do that. 1035 01:08:10,042 --> 01:08:11,783 But we've been trying to open a shop in Paris 1036 01:08:11,826 --> 01:08:12,958 for the last ten years. 1037 01:08:13,001 --> 01:08:14,916 That doesn't mean to say we're expanding, 1038 01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,136 that was in the plan before, 1039 01:08:17,180 --> 01:08:20,183 and there's no reason to break that, 1040 01:08:20,226 --> 01:08:23,055 but then Carlo my manager was planning 1041 01:08:23,099 --> 01:08:27,103 to open a shop in Beijing and I've stopped that. 1042 01:08:31,933 --> 01:08:35,067 - [Pepe] She wasn't happy design-wise, 1043 01:08:35,111 --> 01:08:36,634 even to say she hates it. 1044 01:08:37,678 --> 01:08:39,158 - I hate the music. 1045 01:08:39,202 --> 01:08:42,901 - [Pepe] It doesn't feel like Westwood, but at the same time 1046 01:08:42,944 --> 01:08:44,946 not even Vivienne Westwood or Andreas 1047 01:08:44,990 --> 01:08:46,557 even knows where they are now. 1048 01:08:53,041 --> 01:08:56,262 That shop, it reflect 1049 01:08:56,306 --> 01:08:58,395 maybe even the problem we got inside, 1050 01:08:58,438 --> 01:08:59,874 because we have a problem, 1051 01:08:59,918 --> 01:09:02,964 it's like being a family where you got the drunk aunty, 1052 01:09:03,008 --> 01:09:05,228 you got the gay uncle. 1053 01:09:05,271 --> 01:09:07,404 It go you know the crazy kids. 1054 01:09:07,447 --> 01:09:08,796 You have this big family 1055 01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,059 and you can't control them altogether, 1056 01:09:12,409 --> 01:09:14,367 but at least we're still working on it. 1057 01:09:17,327 --> 01:09:20,634 - It's very difficult but everything we do 1058 01:09:20,678 --> 01:09:23,289 has got to be solved in a different way, 1059 01:09:23,333 --> 01:09:26,945 in order to slowly get to this point and, 1060 01:09:26,988 --> 01:09:29,077 I don't know, it's, it's really really difficult 1061 01:09:29,121 --> 01:09:32,211 to get from here to there, that's all. 1062 01:09:32,255 --> 01:09:33,908 But we're slowly doing it. 1063 01:09:35,997 --> 01:09:37,347 - [News Reporter] The fashion world is honored 1064 01:09:37,390 --> 01:09:39,653 with an OBE going to the flamboyant fashion designer, 1065 01:09:39,697 --> 01:09:40,828 Vivienne Westwood. 1066 01:09:42,047 --> 01:09:43,962 - People were very impressed by it, 1067 01:09:44,005 --> 01:09:46,094 all the people who work with me, 1068 01:09:46,138 --> 01:09:48,140 are very pleased because they feel 1069 01:09:48,184 --> 01:09:50,360 that they share in it, really. 1070 01:09:57,018 --> 01:09:58,106 - There were a few things 1071 01:09:58,150 --> 01:09:59,934 that I thought were milestones I suppose. 1072 01:09:59,978 --> 01:10:02,676 One one was when we bought 1073 01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,375 the building for the head office. 1074 01:10:05,418 --> 01:10:07,377 That was quite a milestone because it felt like, 1075 01:10:07,420 --> 01:10:09,770 right, well we we kind of own that now. 1076 01:10:11,729 --> 01:10:14,645 I decided I couldn't work with Carlo. 1077 01:10:14,688 --> 01:10:16,951 It was had to be one or the other of us, 1078 01:10:18,170 --> 01:10:21,086 and my mum had decided that she needed him, 1079 01:10:22,305 --> 01:10:24,437 which hurt a bit, I but I also felt I was young enough, 1080 01:10:24,481 --> 01:10:25,917 and I was kind of at the time 1081 01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,441 when I wanted to go and do something for myself anyway. 1082 01:10:30,095 --> 01:10:32,663 But before I left, the one thing that I made her do, 1083 01:10:32,706 --> 01:10:36,841 was sign this license deal with a Japanese company, 1084 01:10:36,884 --> 01:10:39,887 'cause I know the minimum royalties on this contract, 1085 01:10:39,931 --> 01:10:41,149 she'll be okay. 1086 01:10:44,065 --> 01:10:46,894 Carlo hadn't wanted her to sign this deal, 1087 01:10:46,938 --> 01:10:48,983 and I made her sign the deal 1088 01:10:49,027 --> 01:10:50,985 in the lawyers in front of Carlo and everyone. 1089 01:10:51,029 --> 01:10:53,640 You've got to sign this, and after she'd done that 1090 01:10:53,684 --> 01:10:56,034 I felt she was gonna be all right. 1091 01:10:56,077 --> 01:10:58,036 - You're going to take this 1092 01:10:58,079 --> 01:10:59,342 and show it to Martina at whatever stage, 1093 01:10:59,385 --> 01:11:00,647 and get that sorted out, 1094 01:11:00,691 --> 01:11:03,650 and I've got to tell you which mesh to use. 1095 01:11:03,694 --> 01:11:05,086 There won't be any more pleats there, 1096 01:11:05,130 --> 01:11:07,698 because this one is the one that just comes anyway 1097 01:11:07,741 --> 01:11:10,788 in the way the fabric's cut, there's no folding there. 1098 01:11:13,138 --> 01:11:14,357 - It's very nice. 1099 01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,141 - Yeah, I think it's going to look great, 1100 01:11:16,184 --> 01:11:18,752 just going to put it on Kate Moss. 1101 01:11:18,796 --> 01:11:20,188 She'll look lovely in it. 1102 01:11:22,147 --> 01:11:25,324 Okay, so I'll give that to you. 1103 01:11:25,368 --> 01:11:26,194 - Thank you. 1104 01:11:28,414 --> 01:11:30,808 - Do you want to take this corset with you, as well? 1105 01:11:30,851 --> 01:11:32,984 - And the corset as well. 1106 01:11:35,116 --> 01:11:38,294 [audience applauding] 1107 01:11:42,863 --> 01:11:45,475 - Those shows, they were so outrageous, 1108 01:11:45,518 --> 01:11:47,346 you know champaign was flowing, 1109 01:11:48,565 --> 01:11:51,568 and we'd go out naked and lollipops and, 1110 01:11:52,699 --> 01:11:56,050 you know, just outrageous, but really 1111 01:11:56,094 --> 01:11:57,617 glamorous at the same time. 1112 01:11:57,661 --> 01:11:58,662 They were the ones that went, 1113 01:11:58,705 --> 01:12:01,055 ah oh my God, it was so exciting. 1114 01:12:08,498 --> 01:12:09,716 - That's part of my history, 1115 01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:11,849 which is fun, I've got the shoes. 1116 01:12:11,892 --> 01:12:14,025 There was a pair in the museum in London. 1117 01:12:15,548 --> 01:12:18,421 I got an insurance commercial out of it. 1118 01:12:18,464 --> 01:12:21,337 You know, it's done well for Vivienne and I, both. 1119 01:12:26,298 --> 01:12:27,821 - She's a rebel isn't she so, 1120 01:12:28,735 --> 01:12:30,346 which attracts me. 1121 01:12:31,912 --> 01:12:33,740 Coming from Croydon, we wanted to get out 1122 01:12:33,784 --> 01:12:36,090 and she was like our queen. 1123 01:12:38,615 --> 01:12:41,487 [crowd cheering] 1124 01:12:41,531 --> 01:12:44,403 [Ravel's "Bolero"] 1125 01:13:23,137 --> 01:13:27,707 - Provocative, beautiful, respectful. 1126 01:13:29,056 --> 01:13:31,450 It's hard to imagine that one designer 1127 01:13:31,494 --> 01:13:34,888 could be all of those things. 1128 01:13:37,674 --> 01:13:39,545 - I love her femininity, I love everything she do, 1129 01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:43,157 and she's not so young, and she still can wear fashion, 1130 01:13:43,201 --> 01:13:45,159 and she's never ridiculous. 1131 01:13:45,203 --> 01:13:47,074 She's one of the only one, I think. 1132 01:13:49,163 --> 01:13:50,382 - She's iconic, 1133 01:13:50,426 --> 01:13:51,731 and she's at the top of her game, 1134 01:13:51,775 --> 01:13:54,473 she's so authentic. 1135 01:13:54,517 --> 01:13:57,476 And you know she's on this planet for a reason, 1136 01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,913 to stir it up a little bit. 1137 01:13:59,957 --> 01:14:02,481 [crowd cheering] 1138 01:14:02,525 --> 01:14:05,441 [Ravel's "Bolero"] 1139 01:14:18,105 --> 01:14:19,193 - She's a punk rocker. 1140 01:14:20,238 --> 01:14:21,587 She's the only punk rocker. 1141 01:14:39,562 --> 01:14:41,955 - I can't be bothered. 1142 01:14:41,999 --> 01:14:43,348 Who wants to listen to all this stuff? 1143 01:14:43,391 --> 01:14:45,524 I mean the film's only a certain length, 1144 01:14:45,568 --> 01:14:48,309 I'm sure there's more interesting things to put on to it. 1145 01:14:50,616 --> 01:14:53,489 [jazz rock music] 1146 01:15:13,073 --> 01:15:13,944 - I remembered the shows, 1147 01:15:13,987 --> 01:15:16,207 but I can't remember which one, 1148 01:15:16,250 --> 01:15:17,904 and we were back stage and she went, 1149 01:15:19,297 --> 01:15:22,126 Kate, you know I've never been into girls, 1150 01:15:22,169 --> 01:15:23,562 I could have got into you, 1151 01:15:25,346 --> 01:15:26,347 and then like hugged me. 1152 01:15:27,827 --> 01:15:30,308 She was like, I could have been her only lesbian lover. 1153 01:15:32,179 --> 01:15:33,224 Kaching! 1154 01:16:10,348 --> 01:16:12,611 - You know Vivienne is very outspoken person, 1155 01:16:12,655 --> 01:16:15,614 sometimes too outspoken, silly outspoken. 1156 01:16:18,443 --> 01:16:19,357 She knows it, 1157 01:16:21,664 --> 01:16:22,882 but you need people like this, 1158 01:16:22,926 --> 01:16:27,539 these are the people who are changing things. 1159 01:16:28,453 --> 01:16:30,411 [jazz rock music] 1160 01:17:25,292 --> 01:17:26,250 - [Vivienne] What's his name? 1161 01:17:26,293 --> 01:17:28,165 - [Man] Tiny, Tiny Tempah. 1162 01:17:28,208 --> 01:17:29,035 - [Vivienne] Tiny Tempah? 1163 01:17:29,079 --> 01:17:31,168 - [Man] Yes. 1164 01:17:31,211 --> 01:17:34,780 - But I'm a quite well-known musician but. 1165 01:17:34,824 --> 01:17:36,782 - Yeah, I'm sure 'cause I just don't follow 1166 01:17:36,826 --> 01:17:38,566 pop things, you know. - Yeah, I understand, 1167 01:17:38,610 --> 01:17:39,567 I understand. 1168 01:17:39,611 --> 01:17:41,134 - Tiny Tempah is that. 1169 01:17:41,178 --> 01:17:43,093 - Tiny Tempah, correct. 1170 01:17:45,356 --> 01:17:47,706 - [Vivienne] I'm very good on lyrics you know and sound 1171 01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:49,012 bytes and that. 1172 01:17:49,055 --> 01:17:49,839 - [Tiny] Inspiration. 1173 01:17:49,882 --> 01:17:51,797 - [Vivienne] Yes, yeah. 1174 01:17:55,496 --> 01:17:58,674 [soft orchestral music] 90411

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