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All right, love you too. 12 00:00:26,821 --> 00:00:28,787 Yeah, bye. 13 00:00:28,789 --> 00:00:30,856 ? 14 00:00:30,858 --> 00:00:32,281 W-w-welcome to HulkoTax. 15 00:00:32,430 --> 00:00:35,497 A-a-are you salaried or self-employed? 16 00:00:35,499 --> 00:00:37,466 Well, I was working at the toaster factory 'til March, 17 00:00:37,468 --> 00:00:39,702 but since the layoffs, I've been driving for Uber, so... 18 00:00:39,709 --> 00:00:43,210 Enter all W-2s and 1099s. 19 00:00:43,207 --> 00:00:45,007 Oh, okay. Well, which do I, uh... 20 00:00:45,009 --> 00:00:49,178 Now enter all double-2-Us and 9-10dy-10s. 21 00:00:49,180 --> 00:00:50,679 Well, does, does the bank send you that or...? 22 00:00:50,681 --> 00:00:53,148 Do you have any commercial fishing income? 23 00:00:53,150 --> 00:00:54,550 (SCOFFS) I wish. 24 00:00:54,552 --> 00:00:56,652 You have done every part of this incorrectly. 25 00:00:56,654 --> 00:00:58,687 Now entering m-m-manual mode. 26 00:00:58,689 --> 00:01:00,322 Hope you like math-math-math-math... 27 00:01:00,324 --> 00:01:01,557 - Oh, come on! - ...math... 28 00:01:01,559 --> 00:01:03,525 Why do taxes have to be so hard? 29 00:01:03,527 --> 00:01:07,062 Actually, taxes don't have to be hard at all. 30 00:01:07,064 --> 00:01:08,464 Did I kill a man? 31 00:01:08,466 --> 00:01:11,033 Nope. You summoned a TV host. 32 00:01:12,536 --> 00:01:14,369 Hi, I'm Adam Conover 33 00:01:14,371 --> 00:01:16,739 and this is "Adam Ruins Everything." 34 00:01:16,741 --> 00:01:18,674 Oh! Ugh. 35 00:01:19,977 --> 00:01:20,909 (SCREAMING) 36 00:01:21,010 --> 00:01:24,011 Corrected & Synced by Bakugan 37 00:01:25,983 --> 00:01:27,449 (GRUNTS) 38 00:01:27,451 --> 00:01:28,917 Hey, you scared the fudge out of me. 39 00:01:28,919 --> 00:01:30,219 Oh, that's nothin'. 40 00:01:30,221 --> 00:01:32,221 One time I made my friend Emily give birth. 41 00:01:32,223 --> 00:01:33,956 I don't know what that means, but I hate it. 42 00:01:33,958 --> 00:01:35,657 Almost as much as I hate doing my taxes. 43 00:01:35,659 --> 00:01:37,693 Now, what's that you were saying about how taxes could be easy? 44 00:01:37,695 --> 00:01:39,294 Well, think about it. 45 00:01:39,296 --> 00:01:42,531 Taxes are a bill the government charges you, 46 00:01:42,533 --> 00:01:45,134 so why do you have to do all the math? 47 00:01:45,136 --> 00:01:47,169 Imagine if we did that with any other bill. 48 00:01:47,171 --> 00:01:48,170 (DOORBELL RINGS) 49 00:01:48,172 --> 00:01:49,171 How much do I owe you? 50 00:01:49,173 --> 00:01:50,839 You tell me. 51 00:01:50,841 --> 00:01:53,108 Divide number of toppings by cheese consumption? 52 00:01:53,110 --> 00:01:54,309 $12? 53 00:01:54,311 --> 00:01:56,245 Wrong! Now you're goin' to jail! 54 00:01:56,247 --> 00:01:57,579 Bogus. 55 00:01:57,581 --> 00:02:00,449 Instead of making you fill out a complicated return, 56 00:02:00,451 --> 00:02:03,252 why doesn't the government just tell you how much you owe? 57 00:02:03,254 --> 00:02:04,720 Well, 'cause they need to know my income, 58 00:02:04,722 --> 00:02:05,954 my interest on my savings... 59 00:02:05,956 --> 00:02:07,422 all the numbers that are on those forms. 60 00:02:07,424 --> 00:02:09,858 News flash! They already do. 61 00:02:09,860 --> 00:02:12,594 Employers, banks, and other financial institutions 62 00:02:12,596 --> 00:02:15,297 already send detailed records to the IRS. 63 00:02:15,299 --> 00:02:19,268 Okay, we just got Hank's W2s and 1099s. 64 00:02:19,270 --> 00:02:22,471 I could calculate his tax bill myself... 65 00:02:22,473 --> 00:02:24,273 Nah, I'll just wait quietly 66 00:02:24,275 --> 00:02:26,074 while he sends me the exact same information. 67 00:02:26,076 --> 00:02:27,142 D'oh! 68 00:02:27,144 --> 00:02:28,844 The government could quite literally 69 00:02:28,846 --> 00:02:30,813 do your taxes for you. 70 00:02:30,815 --> 00:02:33,549 It's an idea called return-free filing. 71 00:02:33,551 --> 00:02:35,417 Instead of the government checking your work, 72 00:02:35,419 --> 00:02:37,052 you'd check theirs, 73 00:02:37,054 --> 00:02:40,022 and it would make taxes more like this. 74 00:02:40,024 --> 00:02:41,657 Ooh, honey, our taxes came. 75 00:02:41,659 --> 00:02:43,225 Oh... 76 00:02:43,227 --> 00:02:47,095 Just need to deduct that work trip to Toledo and we're done! 77 00:02:47,097 --> 00:02:49,998 Hey, think we have time for some wild, bedpost-rattling sex? 78 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,501 Why not? Our April's wide open. 79 00:02:52,503 --> 00:02:54,803 Return-free filing is already used 80 00:02:54,805 --> 00:02:56,638 by countries around the world 81 00:02:56,640 --> 00:02:58,841 and could allow millions of Americans like you 82 00:02:58,843 --> 00:03:02,144 to do your taxes for free in just five minutes. 83 00:03:02,146 --> 00:03:04,046 Yeah, well, those bozos in Washington 84 00:03:04,048 --> 00:03:05,948 would never go for an idea that makes that much sense. 85 00:03:05,950 --> 00:03:08,050 Actually, return-free filing bills 86 00:03:08,052 --> 00:03:10,385 are introduced in Congress all the time, 87 00:03:10,387 --> 00:03:11,753 and both Barack Obama 88 00:03:11,755 --> 00:03:13,622 and Ronald Reagan pushed for it. 89 00:03:13,624 --> 00:03:15,090 Yes, we can. 90 00:03:15,092 --> 00:03:16,992 Tear down this wall... 91 00:03:16,994 --> 00:03:18,026 of paperwork. 92 00:03:18,028 --> 00:03:19,695 (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 93 00:03:19,697 --> 00:03:22,598 Wow... that must be the only thing those guys would agree on. 94 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,499 Okay. I'm sold. 95 00:03:24,501 --> 00:03:26,735 - Give me return-free filing. - Sorry. 96 00:03:26,737 --> 00:03:30,272 The makers of tax software like TurboTax and H&R Block 97 00:03:30,274 --> 00:03:34,309 spend a butt-load of money to make sure it never happens. 98 00:03:36,447 --> 00:03:38,213 T-t-tax software industry. 99 00:03:38,215 --> 00:03:41,216 You p-p-pay us to make your taxes easier, 100 00:03:41,218 --> 00:03:44,753 so we pay lobbyists to make sure they stay c-c-complicated. 101 00:03:44,755 --> 00:03:47,923 Citizens, we feel your pain! 102 00:03:47,925 --> 00:03:50,459 Filing your taxes is just too... darn... 103 00:03:50,461 --> 00:03:51,460 (CASH REGISTER RINGS) 104 00:03:51,462 --> 00:03:53,195 fun! Everything's great. 105 00:03:53,197 --> 00:03:54,229 We're changing nothing. 106 00:03:54,231 --> 00:03:55,330 (INHALING DEEPLY) 107 00:03:55,332 --> 00:03:56,665 Ooh... 108 00:03:56,667 --> 00:03:58,700 These calculating companies have lobbied 109 00:03:58,702 --> 00:04:00,903 to kill multiple return-free filing bills 110 00:04:00,905 --> 00:04:02,371 over the past decade. 111 00:04:02,373 --> 00:04:04,506 And they're using my money to do it? 112 00:04:04,508 --> 00:04:05,941 Well, that's shameless. 113 00:04:05,943 --> 00:04:08,310 And it gets worse. 114 00:04:08,312 --> 00:04:09,711 This is Jessica Huseman, 115 00:04:09,713 --> 00:04:12,114 a reporter at ProPublica who's covered this story. 116 00:04:12,116 --> 00:04:15,183 The tax prep industry actually created a front group 117 00:04:15,185 --> 00:04:16,785 called the Free File Alliance 118 00:04:16,787 --> 00:04:19,087 that lets you file your taxes for free. 119 00:04:19,089 --> 00:04:20,489 It's supposed to be available 120 00:04:20,491 --> 00:04:22,624 to two-thirds of the taxpaying public, 121 00:04:22,626 --> 00:04:24,826 but almost no one uses it. 122 00:04:24,828 --> 00:04:27,029 That's because the system is confusing, 123 00:04:27,031 --> 00:04:29,064 the IRS doesn't market it, 124 00:04:29,066 --> 00:04:30,465 the tax companies have no incentive 125 00:04:30,467 --> 00:04:31,700 to push it themselves, 126 00:04:31,702 --> 00:04:33,635 and a sneaky opt-in option 127 00:04:33,637 --> 00:04:36,038 allows them to push their paid products. 128 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:37,739 Don't use the f-f-free option. 129 00:04:37,741 --> 00:04:38,974 It's too hard. 130 00:04:38,976 --> 00:04:40,676 Pay me instead. 131 00:04:40,678 --> 00:04:43,111 But I want return-free filing, like you were talking about. 132 00:04:43,113 --> 00:04:44,913 (HUSEMAN) Well, here's the worst part. 133 00:04:44,915 --> 00:04:47,416 The tax industry negotiated an exclusive deal 134 00:04:47,418 --> 00:04:49,284 that prevents the federal government 135 00:04:49,286 --> 00:04:51,153 from offering return-free filing 136 00:04:51,155 --> 00:04:53,789 or any free system of tax filing 137 00:04:53,791 --> 00:04:57,125 so long as the Free File Alliance exists. 138 00:04:57,127 --> 00:04:59,394 So you're saying the government could be doing my taxes for me, 139 00:04:59,396 --> 00:05:01,697 for free, but TurboTax and H&R Block 140 00:05:01,699 --> 00:05:03,231 are working like crazy to stop that from happening? 141 00:05:03,233 --> 00:05:04,599 Exactly. 142 00:05:04,601 --> 00:05:07,369 Instead, you're stuck doing your taxes yourself 143 00:05:07,371 --> 00:05:08,837 with this guy. 144 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,440 Get ready to spend all your Aprils with m-m-me. 145 00:05:11,442 --> 00:05:14,009 Gah! 146 00:05:14,011 --> 00:05:15,944 See, this is the problem with the economy. 147 00:05:15,946 --> 00:05:17,512 The government and the CEOs get rich 148 00:05:17,514 --> 00:05:18,914 and the rest of us get screwed by something 149 00:05:18,916 --> 00:05:20,716 that takes three degrees to understand. 150 00:05:20,718 --> 00:05:22,651 Yeah, you pretty much nailed it. 151 00:05:22,653 --> 00:05:25,454 See, that's why I like this guy. 152 00:05:25,456 --> 00:05:27,756 Bad news comin' in from Wall Street! 153 00:05:27,758 --> 00:05:29,758 The Dow is down 500 points, 154 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:34,296 which means we're headed into the icy depths of poverty! 155 00:05:34,298 --> 00:05:35,964 Joe "Cray-Cray" Krasowitz. 156 00:05:35,966 --> 00:05:37,632 He makes the economy so simple. 157 00:05:37,634 --> 00:05:40,736 Yeah, he does, and that's what makes him so wrong. 158 00:05:40,738 --> 00:05:42,337 I'll show you. 159 00:05:42,339 --> 00:05:43,939 Hey, don't come into a man's house 160 00:05:43,941 --> 00:05:44,673 and teleport him against his will. 161 00:05:46,343 --> 00:05:47,876 (DOG WHINES) 162 00:05:52,750 --> 00:05:53,749 (BELL CLANGING) 163 00:05:53,751 --> 00:05:55,717 Welcome back to "Demented Dollars," 164 00:05:55,719 --> 00:05:57,886 America's loudest and therefore best 165 00:05:57,888 --> 00:05:59,354 financial advice show! 166 00:05:59,356 --> 00:06:01,289 The Dow Jones Industrial Average 167 00:06:01,291 --> 00:06:04,426 is down in the dumps, just like me after every date! 168 00:06:04,428 --> 00:06:06,361 (FEMALE VOICE SFX) I think we should see other people. 169 00:06:06,363 --> 00:06:08,330 And that means the economy is ruined, 170 00:06:08,332 --> 00:06:10,065 so it's time to panic! 171 00:06:10,067 --> 00:06:11,166 (CROWD SCREAMING SFX) 172 00:06:11,168 --> 00:06:12,868 Actually, no, it isn't. 173 00:06:12,870 --> 00:06:14,369 The American economy 174 00:06:14,371 --> 00:06:16,338 is an incredibly complicated system 175 00:06:16,340 --> 00:06:18,173 that even experts spend a lifetime 176 00:06:18,175 --> 00:06:20,642 trying to understand, so when the news media 177 00:06:20,644 --> 00:06:23,011 dumbs it all down into how a single number 178 00:06:23,013 --> 00:06:24,646 changed that day, it tells you 179 00:06:24,648 --> 00:06:25,847 a lot less than you think. 180 00:06:25,849 --> 00:06:26,915 Okay. Who the heck are you? 181 00:06:26,917 --> 00:06:29,184 Hi. Name's Hank, big, famous Krasowitz. 182 00:06:29,186 --> 00:06:30,352 Can I call you Cray-Cray? 183 00:06:30,354 --> 00:06:31,987 And can you tell him that he's full of it? 184 00:06:31,989 --> 00:06:34,222 The Dow tells us how the whole stock market is doing. 185 00:06:34,224 --> 00:06:36,525 Nope. It tells you how a tiny part 186 00:06:36,527 --> 00:06:37,993 of the stock market is doing, 187 00:06:37,995 --> 00:06:40,729 and its methodology is deeply flawed. 188 00:06:40,731 --> 00:06:43,565 The US stock market is an enormous system 189 00:06:43,567 --> 00:06:46,501 with over 3,000 publicly traded companies 190 00:06:46,503 --> 00:06:47,936 in the US alone, 191 00:06:47,938 --> 00:06:50,539 but the Dow includes just 30 of them 192 00:06:50,541 --> 00:06:52,174 and it's basically designed 193 00:06:52,176 --> 00:06:53,775 to go up over time. 194 00:06:53,777 --> 00:06:55,210 If a stock does too poorly, 195 00:06:55,212 --> 00:06:57,345 it gets dropped and replaced. 196 00:06:57,347 --> 00:06:59,748 What? You mean the whole thing's rigged? 197 00:06:59,750 --> 00:07:02,284 Yep. And it's not adjusted for inflation. 198 00:07:02,286 --> 00:07:03,518 (MALE VOICE SFX) Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right. 199 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,420 Well, if that were true, then how come 200 00:07:05,422 --> 00:07:08,590 all of us in the media report on it constantly? 201 00:07:08,592 --> 00:07:10,459 Maybe because that's what you've been doing 202 00:07:10,461 --> 00:07:11,860 for a century. 203 00:07:11,862 --> 00:07:13,762 See, the Dow became popular 204 00:07:13,764 --> 00:07:14,996 during the economic panics 205 00:07:14,998 --> 00:07:17,399 and depressions of the early 20th century, 206 00:07:17,401 --> 00:07:19,501 when people were desperate for any sign 207 00:07:19,503 --> 00:07:21,336 of how the economy was doing. 208 00:07:21,338 --> 00:07:23,071 Are we ruined or ain't we? 209 00:07:23,073 --> 00:07:25,173 I just need some kind of sign. 210 00:07:25,175 --> 00:07:28,910 There's the Dow and it's just gone bust. 211 00:07:28,912 --> 00:07:33,014 Thanks. Guess it's curtains for me. 212 00:07:33,016 --> 00:07:35,450 Now, back when our economy was simpler, 213 00:07:35,452 --> 00:07:37,085 the performance of 30 big companies 214 00:07:37,087 --> 00:07:39,221 was actually pretty useful information, 215 00:07:39,223 --> 00:07:41,923 but as our economy grew and became more complex, 216 00:07:41,925 --> 00:07:44,292 the Dow started to tell us less and less, 217 00:07:44,294 --> 00:07:46,361 and today, financial insiders 218 00:07:46,363 --> 00:07:48,029 don't even pay attention to it. 219 00:07:48,031 --> 00:07:50,198 Dude, don't jump. The Dow's, like, sick. 220 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:51,700 It's, like, up 1,000 points. 221 00:07:51,702 --> 00:07:53,768 Who cares about that meaningless number? 222 00:07:53,770 --> 00:07:56,838 My wife cheated on me with a pottery instructor. 223 00:07:58,175 --> 00:08:01,276 Hey, please don't make light of suicide. 224 00:08:01,278 --> 00:08:03,245 It's insensitive. Sorry. 225 00:08:03,247 --> 00:08:05,881 Today, despite the fact that the Dow tells us 226 00:08:05,883 --> 00:08:08,416 less than ever, reporters like Cray-Cray 227 00:08:08,418 --> 00:08:10,285 keep using it out of sheer habit. 228 00:08:10,287 --> 00:08:12,220 Yeah, well, I have another habit! 229 00:08:12,222 --> 00:08:14,756 Doing my show! You two done? 230 00:08:14,758 --> 00:08:18,093 'Cause it's time for the Jobs Report! 231 00:08:18,095 --> 00:08:19,594 ? 232 00:08:19,596 --> 00:08:22,197 I know I was just screaming that the economy is through, 233 00:08:22,199 --> 00:08:23,698 but it's actually great 234 00:08:23,700 --> 00:08:27,435 because the unemployment rate is down to 4.5%. 235 00:08:27,437 --> 00:08:28,436 (WHISTLE BLOWING SFX) 236 00:08:28,438 --> 00:08:30,605 So, 96% of folks are making a living? 237 00:08:30,607 --> 00:08:31,706 That's great! 238 00:08:31,708 --> 00:08:33,041 (SFX) Ac-ac-actually... 239 00:08:33,043 --> 00:08:36,511 The number you hear reported as the unemployment rate is... 240 00:08:36,513 --> 00:08:37,779 (SFX) The female hymen. 241 00:08:37,781 --> 00:08:39,381 Wrong button. Old episode. 242 00:08:39,383 --> 00:08:42,250 The unemployment rate is a flawed number 243 00:08:42,252 --> 00:08:43,718 that excludes tons of people 244 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,021 who you and I would consider unemployed. 245 00:08:46,023 --> 00:08:47,189 Well, I find that hard to believe. 246 00:08:47,191 --> 00:08:48,323 You're either working or you're not. 247 00:08:48,325 --> 00:08:51,259 Well, let's play America's least-favorite game show, 248 00:08:51,261 --> 00:08:53,828 - "Who Counts As Unemployed?" - (SFX) (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) 249 00:08:53,830 --> 00:08:55,530 Up first, we have Trista. 250 00:08:55,532 --> 00:08:58,233 I'm 24, I got laid off a few months ago, 251 00:08:58,235 --> 00:09:01,469 and I've been so depressed that I haven't looked for work. 252 00:09:01,471 --> 00:09:03,138 - She's unemployed. - (BUZZER) 253 00:09:03,140 --> 00:09:04,773 Not according to the government. 254 00:09:04,775 --> 00:09:07,275 Hi, I'm Charles, I'm 52, 255 00:09:07,277 --> 00:09:10,946 and this week, I mowed my neighbor's lawn for $25. 256 00:09:10,948 --> 00:09:14,583 That's all the work I've had in months. 257 00:09:14,585 --> 00:09:16,484 Well, he must count as unemployed. 258 00:09:16,486 --> 00:09:18,053 - (BUZZER) - No, again. 259 00:09:18,055 --> 00:09:19,854 And finally, we have Hank. 260 00:09:19,856 --> 00:09:22,057 Me? Well, I drive Uber some nights 261 00:09:22,059 --> 00:09:23,358 since the factory closed, 262 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:24,626 but I'm barely making by. 263 00:09:24,628 --> 00:09:26,027 - I'm unemployed. - (BUZZER) 264 00:09:26,029 --> 00:09:27,629 Wrong again. You don't count either. 265 00:09:27,631 --> 00:09:28,797 Thanks for playing, 266 00:09:28,799 --> 00:09:30,966 and remember to spell and grammar check your resume. 267 00:09:30,968 --> 00:09:32,801 Wait. Why don't I count as unemployed? 268 00:09:32,803 --> 00:09:35,203 Well, the number we always hear reported 269 00:09:35,205 --> 00:09:38,039 as the unemployment rate only counts people 270 00:09:38,041 --> 00:09:39,541 who are actively looking for work 271 00:09:39,543 --> 00:09:41,176 and excludes anyone who's earned 272 00:09:41,178 --> 00:09:43,445 more than $20 in the past week. 273 00:09:43,447 --> 00:09:45,480 Now, that doesn't make it totally useless, 274 00:09:45,482 --> 00:09:46,948 but if you hear that number and think 275 00:09:46,950 --> 00:09:48,550 that's how many people are out of work, 276 00:09:48,552 --> 00:09:50,852 you're wrong. Many more are struggling. 277 00:09:50,854 --> 00:09:52,787 Yeah. Like me. 278 00:09:52,789 --> 00:09:54,956 That's enough for bloated Anderson Cooper here. 279 00:09:54,958 --> 00:09:57,259 Time to whip out the big guns! 280 00:09:57,261 --> 00:10:01,696 - Let's talk G... D... P! - (AIR HORN BLARING) 281 00:10:01,698 --> 00:10:04,099 Yes! GDP. The bigger it gets, 282 00:10:04,101 --> 00:10:05,700 the better economy it is, right, Cray-Cray? 283 00:10:05,702 --> 00:10:07,636 Absolutely! Let's take a look 284 00:10:07,638 --> 00:10:09,871 - at the latest figu... - Sorry! 285 00:10:09,873 --> 00:10:12,374 Even though politicians and the media 286 00:10:12,376 --> 00:10:15,343 act like GDP or Gross Domestic Product 287 00:10:15,345 --> 00:10:19,114 is a measure of our overall economic well-being, it ain't. 288 00:10:19,116 --> 00:10:21,650 GDP really only tells us how much we make 289 00:10:21,652 --> 00:10:23,018 and how much we consume. 290 00:10:23,020 --> 00:10:26,254 In other words, it goes up when spending does. 291 00:10:26,256 --> 00:10:29,090 I got a raise. I'm gonna buy a catamaran. 292 00:10:29,092 --> 00:10:32,093 - That's good for me, Mr. GDP. - (CASH REGISTER RINGS) 293 00:10:32,095 --> 00:10:33,128 But the problem is, 294 00:10:33,130 --> 00:10:35,697 spending isn't always a good thing. 295 00:10:35,699 --> 00:10:38,366 GDP could also go up because something bad happened 296 00:10:38,368 --> 00:10:41,036 and we had to spend money to fix it. 297 00:10:41,038 --> 00:10:42,937 My house was destroyed in a hurricane 298 00:10:42,939 --> 00:10:44,839 so I need to buy a tent to sleep in. 299 00:10:44,841 --> 00:10:46,207 Here's all my savings. 300 00:10:46,209 --> 00:10:48,943 All spending is good spending for Mr. GDP. 301 00:10:48,945 --> 00:10:50,145 (CASH REGISTER RINGS) 302 00:10:50,147 --> 00:10:51,846 Yeah, but she lost her house and her savings. 303 00:10:51,848 --> 00:10:53,481 That can't be good for the economy. 304 00:10:53,483 --> 00:10:56,451 No, but she spent money, so GDP goes up. 305 00:10:56,453 --> 00:10:58,386 I thought when GDP rose, that meant things 306 00:10:58,388 --> 00:10:59,554 were getting better for everybody. 307 00:10:59,556 --> 00:11:02,424 Sadly, a strong GDP doesn't guarantee 308 00:11:02,426 --> 00:11:04,859 the average person feels any benefit. 309 00:11:04,861 --> 00:11:07,796 In the last two decades, GDP has steadily risen, 310 00:11:07,798 --> 00:11:10,198 but the average American's earnings haven't. 311 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,834 It's actually possible to have the highest GDP 312 00:11:12,836 --> 00:11:15,603 and the most poverty at the same time. 313 00:11:15,605 --> 00:11:17,172 - ? Money, money ? - Terrible. 314 00:11:17,174 --> 00:11:18,573 ? It's all about the money ? 315 00:11:18,575 --> 00:11:19,641 Useless number. 316 00:11:19,643 --> 00:11:21,376 Well, it has its uses. 317 00:11:21,378 --> 00:11:24,012 You just can't expect one number to tell you the truth 318 00:11:24,014 --> 00:11:26,314 about our gargantuan global economy. 319 00:11:26,316 --> 00:11:27,749 Despite what the media says, 320 00:11:27,751 --> 00:11:31,286 it's just not that simple. 321 00:11:31,288 --> 00:11:32,854 I can't believe you, Cray. 322 00:11:32,856 --> 00:11:34,889 I listened to you, trusted you, 323 00:11:34,891 --> 00:11:36,324 sat through all those erectile dysfunction 324 00:11:36,326 --> 00:11:37,359 commercials for you! 325 00:11:37,361 --> 00:11:39,661 (LAUGHING) Just wait one second. 326 00:11:39,663 --> 00:11:41,830 Well, I don't need simple. 327 00:11:41,832 --> 00:11:44,199 I learned how to use a backward extrusion press. 328 00:11:44,201 --> 00:11:45,467 I can learn a little economics. 329 00:11:45,469 --> 00:11:46,935 Maybe it'll even help me figure out 330 00:11:46,937 --> 00:11:48,870 when my old factory job is coming back. 331 00:11:48,872 --> 00:11:50,739 Uh, about that... 332 00:11:50,741 --> 00:11:52,674 Hey, Mr. Magic Man, 333 00:11:52,676 --> 00:11:54,109 why don't you let me show you 334 00:11:54,111 --> 00:11:55,977 why they call me Cray-Cray? 335 00:11:55,979 --> 00:11:56,978 You know what? 336 00:11:56,980 --> 00:11:58,012 I'll tell you in a second. 337 00:11:58,014 --> 00:11:59,314 For now, I'm gonna run. (LAUGHING) 338 00:11:59,316 --> 00:12:01,990 You ruined my show! 339 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,248 My fellow Americans, For now, I'm gonna run. I know you're hurting. 340 00:12:09,250 --> 00:12:11,451 You're in your den right now, thinking, 341 00:12:11,453 --> 00:12:14,287 where did my high-paying manufacturing job 342 00:12:14,289 --> 00:12:17,023 that doesn't require a college degree go? 343 00:12:17,025 --> 00:12:19,459 Yeah. That's, like, eerily accurate. 344 00:12:19,461 --> 00:12:23,196 Well, I'm here to tell you we only lost those jobs 345 00:12:23,198 --> 00:12:25,698 because of bozo politicians. 346 00:12:25,700 --> 00:12:29,302 Once you elect me, I will bring the Golden Age 347 00:12:29,304 --> 00:12:32,338 of American Manufacturing back again. 348 00:12:32,340 --> 00:12:34,307 (MAN) Paid for by Americans Against Bozos. 349 00:12:34,309 --> 00:12:36,809 Now, that's what I'm talking about. Right, Max? 350 00:12:36,811 --> 00:12:39,145 Sorry, Hank, but as tempting as it is 351 00:12:39,147 --> 00:12:42,648 to blame bozos, they're not why America lost those jobs. 352 00:12:42,650 --> 00:12:45,418 It was the result of massive historical forces. 353 00:12:45,420 --> 00:12:47,587 Well, now, hold on a second. 354 00:12:47,589 --> 00:12:50,089 My dad came to this town looking for opportunity, 355 00:12:50,091 --> 00:12:51,524 and he and everybody here 356 00:12:51,526 --> 00:12:54,060 worked their entire lives at the toaster factory. 357 00:12:54,062 --> 00:12:55,294 They're in a middle-class income, 358 00:12:55,296 --> 00:12:56,329 they bought houses, 359 00:12:56,331 --> 00:12:57,530 and they retired on a pension, 360 00:12:57,532 --> 00:12:58,764 and I'm gonna do the same 361 00:12:58,766 --> 00:13:00,566 just as soon as this country gets back to normal. 362 00:13:00,568 --> 00:13:03,369 Actually, that wasn't normal at all. 363 00:13:03,371 --> 00:13:05,238 It was a historical anomaly. 364 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,307 Here, I'll show you. 365 00:13:08,309 --> 00:13:12,078 (MAN) The Story of American Manufacturing. 366 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:16,516 Between 1945 and 1973, American manufacturing 367 00:13:16,518 --> 00:13:18,885 gave us the greatest period of economic growth 368 00:13:18,887 --> 00:13:20,820 in human history. 369 00:13:20,822 --> 00:13:23,923 Economic historians call it the Golden Age, 370 00:13:23,925 --> 00:13:25,358 but it wouldn't have been possible 371 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,761 without the help of World War II. 372 00:13:28,763 --> 00:13:32,198 During the war, every other industrialized nation involved 373 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:33,833 was devastated. 374 00:13:33,835 --> 00:13:35,268 That meant that when the war ended, 375 00:13:35,270 --> 00:13:38,271 the US had a huge temporary advantage. 376 00:13:38,273 --> 00:13:40,873 From the end of the war through the 1960s, 377 00:13:40,875 --> 00:13:44,477 America made 50% of the world's stuff 378 00:13:44,479 --> 00:13:46,946 and it made great things for Americans. 379 00:13:46,948 --> 00:13:49,048 By the '70s, we more than doubled 380 00:13:49,050 --> 00:13:51,951 the standard of living for the average American family. 381 00:13:51,953 --> 00:13:53,920 Next up, a third baby. 382 00:13:53,922 --> 00:13:56,289 Not unless it's coming out of you. 383 00:13:56,291 --> 00:13:58,491 Ah! Now, that's the life! 384 00:13:58,493 --> 00:13:59,759 The problem was, 385 00:13:59,761 --> 00:14:02,028 this monopoly couldn't last forever. 386 00:14:02,030 --> 00:14:05,131 As time marched on, other nations rebuilt, 387 00:14:05,133 --> 00:14:06,632 their economies recovered, 388 00:14:06,634 --> 00:14:09,569 and they started bolstering their own manufacturing. 389 00:14:09,571 --> 00:14:15,174 (SPEAKING NATIVE LANGUAGE) 390 00:14:15,176 --> 00:14:17,877 The real reason America's Golden Age ended 391 00:14:17,879 --> 00:14:19,712 is because of history. 392 00:14:19,714 --> 00:14:20,780 But you're ignoring the fact 393 00:14:20,782 --> 00:14:22,081 that American companies are choosing 394 00:14:22,083 --> 00:14:23,316 to make stuff overseas. 395 00:14:23,318 --> 00:14:24,884 Like, why is the iPhone made in China? 396 00:14:24,886 --> 00:14:25,952 We could make all that stuff 397 00:14:25,954 --> 00:14:27,620 they build over there over here. 398 00:14:27,622 --> 00:14:30,723 Oh, actually, we couldn't, because of... 399 00:14:30,725 --> 00:14:35,027 (MAN) Unique Chinese advantages that America cannot recreate. 400 00:14:35,029 --> 00:14:39,065 Well, it's not quite as simple as "China beat America," 401 00:14:39,067 --> 00:14:41,968 but China does excel at certain kinds of manufacturing. 402 00:14:41,970 --> 00:14:44,704 This is Dr. Penelope Prime, economist, 403 00:14:44,706 --> 00:14:47,073 professor at the Institute of International Business, 404 00:14:47,075 --> 00:14:49,508 and director of the China Research Center. 405 00:14:49,510 --> 00:14:51,377 (DR. PRIME) First of all, China has a vast, 406 00:14:51,379 --> 00:14:53,613 relatively inexpensive workforce. 407 00:14:53,615 --> 00:14:57,249 They have about 80 million manufacturing workers alone. 408 00:14:57,251 --> 00:14:59,852 That's double the population of California 409 00:14:59,854 --> 00:15:02,455 and the Chinese factories that assemble the iPhone 410 00:15:02,457 --> 00:15:03,823 are massive. 411 00:15:03,825 --> 00:15:08,327 Just one can employ up to 350,000 people 412 00:15:08,329 --> 00:15:11,197 and produce 1/2 million iPhones a day. 413 00:15:11,199 --> 00:15:13,132 And historically, China's workers 414 00:15:13,134 --> 00:15:15,968 have been willing to accept relatively low wages. 415 00:15:15,970 --> 00:15:19,772 Before 1978, China had zero trade with the US 416 00:15:19,774 --> 00:15:22,208 and was closed to most foreign investment. 417 00:15:22,210 --> 00:15:23,909 When they finally opened their doors 418 00:15:23,911 --> 00:15:26,145 after years of economic isolation, 419 00:15:26,147 --> 00:15:30,116 they were an ideal location for low-cost manufacturing. 420 00:15:30,118 --> 00:15:32,418 Well, we have workers too. 421 00:15:32,420 --> 00:15:34,854 But our government today does not invest heavily 422 00:15:34,856 --> 00:15:37,556 in infrastructure and education like China does. 423 00:15:37,558 --> 00:15:39,692 The Chinese government even helps recruit 424 00:15:39,694 --> 00:15:41,994 and train workers for jobs like this. 425 00:15:41,996 --> 00:15:44,764 Apple estimated it would take up to nine months 426 00:15:44,766 --> 00:15:45,931 to find enough engineers 427 00:15:45,933 --> 00:15:48,034 to oversee a factory in the US, 428 00:15:48,036 --> 00:15:51,504 but in China, they found them in just 15 days. 429 00:15:51,506 --> 00:15:55,174 Come on, people! I'm offering free Frisbees! 430 00:15:55,176 --> 00:15:58,277 Well, what if we did train enough people? 431 00:15:58,279 --> 00:15:59,578 Could we build the iPhone then? 432 00:15:59,580 --> 00:16:01,881 No. China sits at the center 433 00:16:01,883 --> 00:16:04,517 of a global supply chain, which means 434 00:16:04,519 --> 00:16:06,752 they're physically closer to most of the parts 435 00:16:06,754 --> 00:16:08,454 needed to make the iPhone. 436 00:16:08,456 --> 00:16:10,556 That means, even if we did build 437 00:16:10,558 --> 00:16:13,292 a giant iPhone assembly plant in the US 438 00:16:13,294 --> 00:16:16,262 and somehow staffed it with cheap, well-trained labor, 439 00:16:16,264 --> 00:16:18,898 it would still be faster and cheaper 440 00:16:18,900 --> 00:16:21,100 to build iPhones in China 441 00:16:21,102 --> 00:16:24,670 than ship all the parts and assemble them here. 442 00:16:24,672 --> 00:16:28,441 The fact is, when it comes to certain types of manufacturing, 443 00:16:28,443 --> 00:16:32,678 China has unique advantages that we just don't. 444 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,513 So, what? We're just screwed? 445 00:16:34,515 --> 00:16:36,682 No matter what we do, we're falling behind? 446 00:16:36,684 --> 00:16:39,051 Actually, it's a misconception 447 00:16:39,053 --> 00:16:41,654 that the US is falling behind in manufacturing. 448 00:16:41,656 --> 00:16:45,057 There are a lot fewer people working in those jobs, 449 00:16:45,059 --> 00:16:46,392 but we produce more than ever, 450 00:16:46,394 --> 00:16:48,861 thanks in large part to... 451 00:16:48,863 --> 00:16:50,830 (MAN) Automation! 452 00:16:50,832 --> 00:16:52,531 Oh, no! Robots! 453 00:16:52,533 --> 00:16:54,467 These are monsters! They'll kill us all! 454 00:16:54,469 --> 00:16:55,501 Hyah! 455 00:16:55,503 --> 00:16:57,303 Well, that's an exaggeration, 456 00:16:57,305 --> 00:16:59,138 but it's true that automation 457 00:16:59,140 --> 00:17:01,307 has transformed our economy. 458 00:17:01,309 --> 00:17:03,809 Heavy industry jobs like car manufacturing 459 00:17:03,811 --> 00:17:07,947 were lost almost entirely to advances in technology. 460 00:17:07,949 --> 00:17:11,183 For example, General Motors still makes tons of cars 461 00:17:11,185 --> 00:17:13,486 in America, but today, they only need 462 00:17:13,488 --> 00:17:15,254 a quarter of the workers it took to do 463 00:17:15,256 --> 00:17:17,890 the same amount of work in the '50s, 464 00:17:17,892 --> 00:17:20,359 and it's not just manufacturing jobs. 465 00:17:20,361 --> 00:17:23,095 Bank tellers have been replaced by ATMs and apps, 466 00:17:23,097 --> 00:17:26,632 video store employees have been replaced by streaming sites, 467 00:17:26,634 --> 00:17:30,336 and even lawyers and accountants have been replaced by software. 468 00:17:30,338 --> 00:17:31,937 I'm ba-ba-ba-back. 469 00:17:31,939 --> 00:17:33,639 (GROANING) Get out of here! 470 00:17:33,641 --> 00:17:35,908 That is why these jobs disappeared... 471 00:17:35,910 --> 00:17:39,945 the last half-century of technological progress. 472 00:17:39,947 --> 00:17:41,680 And the story is much bigger 473 00:17:41,682 --> 00:17:43,516 than just the US and China. 474 00:17:43,518 --> 00:17:45,317 The value of manufacturing itself 475 00:17:45,319 --> 00:17:48,053 is actually falling across the globe. 476 00:17:48,055 --> 00:17:51,524 Today, goods are worth less than services. 477 00:17:51,526 --> 00:17:54,093 The part of the iPhone that's a manufactured good 478 00:17:54,095 --> 00:17:56,061 is actually worth very little, 479 00:17:56,063 --> 00:17:57,830 but the services that go into it... 480 00:17:57,832 --> 00:18:00,166 the software, the design, the marketing 481 00:18:00,168 --> 00:18:01,433 are much more valuable 482 00:18:01,435 --> 00:18:04,703 and we do all those things in the US. 483 00:18:04,705 --> 00:18:07,306 Even though there are fewer manufacturing jobs 484 00:18:07,308 --> 00:18:08,574 than there used to be, 485 00:18:08,576 --> 00:18:11,577 new services jobs are being created here all the time, 486 00:18:11,579 --> 00:18:13,612 especially in fields like software development, 487 00:18:13,614 --> 00:18:16,515 healthcare services, and education services. 488 00:18:16,517 --> 00:18:19,351 So instead of making impossible promises 489 00:18:19,353 --> 00:18:22,288 to reverse history and bring the old jobs back, 490 00:18:22,290 --> 00:18:24,690 our politicians should have been taking action 491 00:18:24,692 --> 00:18:26,959 to help us adapt to these changes, 492 00:18:26,961 --> 00:18:29,862 like by lowering the cost of higher education 493 00:18:29,864 --> 00:18:33,566 so more people would have access to these new jobs. 494 00:18:33,568 --> 00:18:36,335 But I'm looking for a job in manufacturing. 495 00:18:36,337 --> 00:18:38,437 That's all I know. 496 00:18:39,774 --> 00:18:42,842 I know it's hard, but the truth is, 497 00:18:42,844 --> 00:18:46,979 economies change. That's just what they do. 498 00:18:46,981 --> 00:18:50,416 Even if we wanted to, we can't turn back the clock 499 00:18:50,418 --> 00:18:53,719 to the economy we had half a century ago, 500 00:18:53,721 --> 00:18:57,690 and anyone who tells you otherwise is wrong. 501 00:18:57,692 --> 00:18:59,902 Now, there are things that you can do to... 502 00:18:59,911 --> 00:19:01,342 Aw, forget it. 503 00:19:02,463 --> 00:19:04,296 I guess there's no place in a shiny new economy 504 00:19:04,298 --> 00:19:07,166 for a guy like me. 505 00:19:07,168 --> 00:19:08,868 Hank, no! 506 00:19:09,570 --> 00:19:11,904 This goes in the recycling! A guy like me. 507 00:19:15,543 --> 00:19:17,610 Sorry, Max, can't find work. 508 00:19:17,612 --> 00:19:18,844 Gonna lose the house. 509 00:19:18,846 --> 00:19:20,045 I guess I'm gonna have to shack up with you. 510 00:19:20,047 --> 00:19:22,548 Okay, that's a tad dramatic. 511 00:19:22,550 --> 00:19:24,683 What am I supposed to do? 512 00:19:24,685 --> 00:19:26,919 The economy is so complicated. 513 00:19:26,921 --> 00:19:28,587 We've got no control over it. 514 00:19:28,589 --> 00:19:30,189 It changes right under your feet 515 00:19:30,191 --> 00:19:31,690 and it puts good people out of work. 516 00:19:31,692 --> 00:19:34,326 It just makes me feel so powerless. 517 00:19:34,328 --> 00:19:36,128 Well, you're right. 518 00:19:36,130 --> 00:19:38,898 The economy is insanely complex 519 00:19:38,900 --> 00:19:40,466 and it's always changing, 520 00:19:40,468 --> 00:19:43,068 but that doesn't mean there's nothing you can do. 521 00:19:43,070 --> 00:19:45,070 What do you mean? 522 00:19:45,072 --> 00:19:47,907 Well, you could take steps to adapt along with it. 523 00:19:47,909 --> 00:19:49,041 Yeah. My sister's been telling me 524 00:19:49,043 --> 00:19:50,910 there's more jobs down by where she is 525 00:19:50,912 --> 00:19:52,111 and she knows a good night school 526 00:19:52,113 --> 00:19:53,312 if I want to try something new. 527 00:19:53,314 --> 00:19:55,681 I guess I could think about doing that. 528 00:19:55,683 --> 00:19:57,816 But, come on, not everybody can afford to move. 529 00:19:57,818 --> 00:20:00,686 That's true. Adapting to all these changes 530 00:20:00,688 --> 00:20:04,523 is a huge, daunting, expensive investment for workers, 531 00:20:04,525 --> 00:20:07,693 and our government could help people more with that investment 532 00:20:07,695 --> 00:20:09,795 with things like relocation vouchers 533 00:20:09,797 --> 00:20:12,765 and especially higher education and skills training, 534 00:20:12,767 --> 00:20:15,501 like how in Georgia, where I live, 535 00:20:15,503 --> 00:20:17,102 there's state-subsidized skills training 536 00:20:17,104 --> 00:20:19,338 that's coordinated with new factory openings 537 00:20:19,340 --> 00:20:21,774 to encourage companies to set up there. 538 00:20:21,776 --> 00:20:25,110 We can't control whether or not the economy changes, 539 00:20:25,112 --> 00:20:28,147 but we have a responsibility to help ourselves 540 00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:31,016 and each other adjust to those changes. 541 00:20:31,018 --> 00:20:34,186 Uh-huh. Well, thanks, Dr. Prime. 542 00:20:34,188 --> 00:20:35,387 No problem. 543 00:20:35,389 --> 00:20:38,757 Uh-oh. I forgot I was two-dimensional. 544 00:20:38,759 --> 00:20:41,860 Hank, you may not win the golden toaster, 545 00:20:41,862 --> 00:20:44,430 but you can go after new opportunities 546 00:20:44,432 --> 00:20:46,332 just like your dad did. 547 00:20:46,334 --> 00:20:47,866 Thanks, Adam. 548 00:20:47,868 --> 00:20:49,635 You know, I'm gonna give my sister a call. 549 00:20:49,637 --> 00:20:51,170 It might be a big change, but I think, 550 00:20:51,172 --> 00:20:53,472 with her help, I can swing it. 551 00:20:53,474 --> 00:20:54,873 And don't you worry. 552 00:20:54,875 --> 00:20:55,908 I know one day, 553 00:20:55,910 --> 00:20:58,210 you're gonna find a job too. 554 00:20:58,212 --> 00:21:00,980 I have a TV show! 555 00:21:00,982 --> 00:21:03,248 You've been on it for 20 minutes! 556 00:21:08,422 --> 00:21:09,888 Hello, everyone. I am using 557 00:21:09,890 --> 00:21:12,124 the power of the Internet to talk to Jessica Huseman 558 00:21:12,126 --> 00:21:14,059 from ProPublica's office in New York. 559 00:21:14,061 --> 00:21:15,461 Jessica, thank you so much for being here. 560 00:21:15,463 --> 00:21:16,762 Thanks for having me. 561 00:21:16,764 --> 00:21:20,032 Can you tell a little bit more about the Free File Alliance 562 00:21:20,034 --> 00:21:21,367 and the role that they play 563 00:21:21,369 --> 00:21:23,702 in changing how all of us do our taxes? 564 00:21:23,704 --> 00:21:25,104 Sure. So, the Free File Alliance 565 00:21:25,106 --> 00:21:29,975 is a group of 13 tax filing and preparation companies, 566 00:21:29,977 --> 00:21:31,410 and you've probably heard of a lot of them. 567 00:21:31,412 --> 00:21:34,146 They're places like Intuit and H&R Block. 568 00:21:34,148 --> 00:21:36,215 This Free File Alliance spends thousands 569 00:21:36,217 --> 00:21:38,083 and thousands of dollars every year 570 00:21:38,085 --> 00:21:40,586 to lobby individual members of Congress, 571 00:21:40,588 --> 00:21:42,788 many of whom then write bills to insure that the government 572 00:21:42,790 --> 00:21:46,992 doesn't offer its own system of free filing for taxes. 573 00:21:46,994 --> 00:21:49,995 It's just so crazy, the idea that they're taking the money 574 00:21:49,997 --> 00:21:52,331 that we pay them to make our taxes easier 575 00:21:52,333 --> 00:21:54,099 and they're using it to lobby Congress 576 00:21:54,101 --> 00:21:55,501 to make our taxes more difficult 577 00:21:55,503 --> 00:21:56,668 or to keep them difficult. 578 00:21:56,670 --> 00:21:58,470 Yeah. This is not a Republican issue. 579 00:21:58,472 --> 00:21:59,938 This is not a Democratic issue. 580 00:21:59,940 --> 00:22:02,274 That money tastes good to both parties 581 00:22:02,276 --> 00:22:03,575 and they both take it. 582 00:22:03,577 --> 00:22:05,577 The system that we have set up, 583 00:22:05,579 --> 00:22:07,012 as confusing as it is, 584 00:22:07,014 --> 00:22:09,581 as much help as you need to file your taxes, 585 00:22:09,583 --> 00:22:11,083 that is entirely within 586 00:22:11,085 --> 00:22:14,053 the Free File Alliance's best interest, right? 587 00:22:14,055 --> 00:22:16,021 In every single one of their corporate reports 588 00:22:16,023 --> 00:22:17,723 that they give... their quarterly reports 589 00:22:17,725 --> 00:22:20,492 that they give to investors... they list the risk 590 00:22:20,494 --> 00:22:22,895 that the government could come up with a free system 591 00:22:22,897 --> 00:22:24,930 as an inherent risk to their business. 592 00:22:24,932 --> 00:22:26,965 You can see that every quarterly report 593 00:22:26,967 --> 00:22:29,001 that Intuit files, they list that specifically, 594 00:22:29,003 --> 00:22:30,769 so they're very concerned 595 00:22:30,771 --> 00:22:31,937 about something like this happening, 596 00:22:31,939 --> 00:22:33,172 and they're paying thousands of dollars 597 00:22:33,174 --> 00:22:34,239 so that it won't. 598 00:22:34,241 --> 00:22:36,341 Yeah. They want the problem to stay in place 599 00:22:36,343 --> 00:22:38,377 so they can keep selling us the solution. 600 00:22:38,379 --> 00:22:39,812 They don't want the problem to be fixed. 601 00:22:39,814 --> 00:22:41,246 Right. Exactly. And, you know, they've done 602 00:22:41,248 --> 00:22:43,549 a lot of tricky things to make you think 603 00:22:43,551 --> 00:22:46,652 that they're on your side, so the Free File Alliance 604 00:22:46,654 --> 00:22:49,521 a couple of years ago got a bunch of community members 605 00:22:49,523 --> 00:22:52,091 to write... like, they handed them 606 00:22:52,093 --> 00:22:54,093 prewritten letters to the editor 607 00:22:54,095 --> 00:22:56,395 that they would send in to all of these newspapers 608 00:22:56,397 --> 00:22:59,398 across the country. So, like, rabbis did this, 609 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,133 city councilmen did this, 610 00:23:01,135 --> 00:23:03,168 because they'd get a call from the Free File lines 611 00:23:03,170 --> 00:23:04,870 with this great pitch being like, 612 00:23:04,872 --> 00:23:07,539 "We provide free tax services 613 00:23:07,541 --> 00:23:09,408 for the lowest two-thirds of Americans." 614 00:23:09,410 --> 00:23:11,276 They leave out that they're making your taxes 615 00:23:11,278 --> 00:23:13,579 more complicated, and the only reason the government 616 00:23:13,581 --> 00:23:16,348 doesn't provide it to everyone for free is because of them. 617 00:23:16,350 --> 00:23:18,851 Well, going back to return-free filing, 618 00:23:18,853 --> 00:23:21,787 I'm sure that, you know, a lot of people in America 619 00:23:21,789 --> 00:23:23,222 would be suspicious of that at first. 620 00:23:23,224 --> 00:23:24,857 Like, wait a second. If the government 621 00:23:24,859 --> 00:23:27,726 is the one doing my taxes, how am I gonna know 622 00:23:27,728 --> 00:23:29,962 that they're doing it right, etcetera. 623 00:23:29,964 --> 00:23:31,263 I mean, what's the response to that? 624 00:23:31,265 --> 00:23:34,466 Right. So, this, in system, would be entirely voluntary. 625 00:23:34,468 --> 00:23:36,235 So, the government already knows 626 00:23:36,237 --> 00:23:37,736 quite a lot of information about you, 627 00:23:37,738 --> 00:23:39,037 which I don't think that most people 628 00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:40,706 who pay taxes realize. 629 00:23:40,708 --> 00:23:42,174 You might as well use that to your advantage. 630 00:23:42,176 --> 00:23:44,009 And I say, use that to your advantage 631 00:23:44,011 --> 00:23:45,410 because there are a lot of situations 632 00:23:45,412 --> 00:23:48,080 in which the government might not actually be aware 633 00:23:48,082 --> 00:23:50,182 that you have some income, and so if they say, 634 00:23:50,184 --> 00:23:51,917 "Here's what we know about you," 635 00:23:51,919 --> 00:23:54,086 you could probably choose whether or not 636 00:23:54,088 --> 00:23:56,522 to volunteer that you had this extra income 637 00:23:56,524 --> 00:23:57,823 that they don't know about 638 00:23:57,825 --> 00:23:59,992 that you might or might not want to pay taxes on. 639 00:23:59,994 --> 00:24:02,127 So this is actually quite a powerful thing 640 00:24:02,129 --> 00:24:04,163 for the American taxpayer to know about themselves, 641 00:24:04,165 --> 00:24:07,199 because as it stands, right, I have no idea 642 00:24:07,201 --> 00:24:08,934 what the IRS already knows about me. 643 00:24:08,936 --> 00:24:10,903 I have no idea what the federal government 644 00:24:10,905 --> 00:24:12,538 is aware that I make every year, 645 00:24:12,540 --> 00:24:13,872 even though they probably know 646 00:24:13,874 --> 00:24:14,940 just about everything. 647 00:24:14,942 --> 00:24:16,041 That's a good point, 648 00:24:16,043 --> 00:24:17,976 because, yeah, we don't actually know 649 00:24:17,978 --> 00:24:19,611 the information that they've been given. 650 00:24:19,613 --> 00:24:21,947 It's like this weird test that we don't have to take. 651 00:24:21,949 --> 00:24:23,649 Just tell me what you want 652 00:24:23,651 --> 00:24:25,784 and then we'll use that as a starting point. 653 00:24:25,786 --> 00:24:26,952 Yeah. For sure, for sure. 654 00:24:26,954 --> 00:24:28,387 Well, Jessica, thank you so much 655 00:24:28,389 --> 00:24:29,734 for your work uncovering this story, 656 00:24:29,890 --> 00:24:31,123 and thank you so much for coming onto the show 657 00:24:31,125 --> 00:24:32,124 to talk to us about it. 658 00:24:32,126 --> 00:24:33,692 Thanks so much. I enjoyed it. 659 00:24:33,742 --> 00:24:38,292 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 50320

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