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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,448 --> 00:00:09,310 [buzzing sound] 2 00:00:29,275 --> 00:00:31,137 [footsteps] 3 00:00:35,586 --> 00:00:37,241 [woman] A cold case is a term 4 00:00:39,137 --> 00:00:40,448 that I don't really like 5 00:00:47,551 --> 00:00:49,827 because it brings the connotation that nobody 6 00:00:49,931 --> 00:00:51,413 is paying attention to it, 7 00:00:54,586 --> 00:00:55,413 which just isn't true. 8 00:00:58,482 --> 00:01:00,344 It's an unsolved case. 9 00:01:02,379 --> 00:01:04,241 [Det. James Isham] I recall getting the old VHS tape 10 00:01:04,344 --> 00:01:05,068 out of evidence. 11 00:01:08,965 --> 00:01:11,206 What really stuck out to me in the Krashoc case... 12 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,310 ...was actually watching that on the screen... 13 00:01:27,206 --> 00:01:28,413 ...You see the snow-covered mountains 14 00:01:28,517 --> 00:01:29,206 in the background. 15 00:01:31,793 --> 00:01:33,034 There's snow in the parking lot. 16 00:01:34,689 --> 00:01:36,551 There's a dumpster just next to the building. 17 00:01:41,965 --> 00:01:43,689 And then right beside the dumpster, 18 00:01:49,172 --> 00:01:49,931 there's the body. 19 00:01:54,482 --> 00:01:57,137 I remember Darlene's hair moving in the breeze 20 00:01:58,482 --> 00:02:00,448 with her naked body laying out in a parking lot 21 00:02:00,551 --> 00:02:02,793 with a bunch of snow. 22 00:02:02,896 --> 00:02:04,620 For me, that's when the brutality hit. 23 00:02:05,551 --> 00:02:08,551 [vocalizing] 24 00:02:10,413 --> 00:02:11,862 The way she was treated and killed, 25 00:02:11,965 --> 00:02:13,482 you knew you had a monster on your hand. 26 00:02:24,034 --> 00:02:27,896 I was a homicide detective with CSPD for nine years, 27 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,827 and the last three years, 28 00:02:29,931 --> 00:02:32,068 it was strictly assigned to cold cases. 29 00:02:35,413 --> 00:02:37,241 I recall getting the Krashoc case 30 00:02:37,344 --> 00:02:38,965 September of 2016. 31 00:02:40,551 --> 00:02:42,310 We knew it was different than the other case 32 00:02:42,413 --> 00:02:44,000 we had seen before. 33 00:02:44,103 --> 00:02:48,551 Darlene Krashoc's case file was significant in its length. 34 00:02:56,068 --> 00:02:57,931 The pages were in the thousands easily. 35 00:03:00,034 --> 00:03:02,827 [Det. Isham] An immense amount of work had gone into that case 36 00:03:02,931 --> 00:03:05,172 with phenomenal amounts of physical evidence. 37 00:03:07,758 --> 00:03:09,344 It never ended for 32 years. 38 00:03:11,103 --> 00:03:12,689 [Det. Somosky] Cases that either Lieutenant Kenda 39 00:03:12,793 --> 00:03:14,344 touched as a supervisor or as a detective 40 00:03:17,103 --> 00:03:17,896 30 years later, 41 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,310 looking through this case file, 42 00:03:19,413 --> 00:03:22,034 Jim Isham and I knew that there was no stone left unturned. 43 00:03:23,931 --> 00:03:25,344 The man is, uh, you know, a giant. 44 00:03:28,758 --> 00:03:30,896 [Lt. Joe Kenda] I worked in my father's business 45 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,655 when I got out of college and I wound up hating it. 46 00:03:34,758 --> 00:03:36,103 And I said I wanna be a policeman. 47 00:03:39,862 --> 00:03:41,896 So I applied to several departments 48 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,344 and Colorado Springs was 49 00:03:43,448 --> 00:03:45,517 the first one that made an offer. 50 00:03:45,620 --> 00:03:49,068 My wife, Cathy, and I, we took Horace Greely's advice 51 00:03:49,172 --> 00:03:50,482 and we went west. 52 00:03:50,586 --> 00:03:51,379 And it was wonderful. 53 00:03:54,137 --> 00:03:55,896 So I was very busy being a policeman. 54 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,517 I didn't like it, I loved it. I would've done it for free. 55 00:03:59,620 --> 00:04:02,068 [tense music playing] 56 00:04:06,655 --> 00:04:08,586 It's always been my greatest concern about 57 00:04:08,689 --> 00:04:12,068 my career that I did not solve 8% of my cases, 58 00:04:14,724 --> 00:04:16,758 of my 387 cases. 59 00:04:19,379 --> 00:04:21,793 Victims who never got justice in court. 60 00:04:24,827 --> 00:04:28,103 But the only case that has no statute of limitations is homicide. 61 00:04:28,206 --> 00:04:30,344 The most important part of homicide investigation 62 00:04:31,344 --> 00:04:33,931 is to never, ever give up. 63 00:04:50,551 --> 00:04:54,068 [Sgt. John Taylor] That early morning was about 5:20 in the morning. 64 00:04:54,172 --> 00:04:56,862 We're probably about almost an hour away from our shift being over. 65 00:04:57,827 --> 00:04:59,586 It was a bitter, bitter cold day. 66 00:04:59,689 --> 00:05:02,241 [radio chatter] 67 00:05:03,413 --> 00:05:04,448 [Sgt. Taylor] I had made the decision, 68 00:05:04,551 --> 00:05:06,206 "Let's check some of the local bars, 69 00:05:06,310 --> 00:05:07,689 make sure we don't have any, 70 00:05:07,793 --> 00:05:09,965 you know, body passed out in their cars in this freezing weather." 71 00:05:12,103 --> 00:05:15,413 So we turn to the back, behind this establishment, 72 00:05:17,413 --> 00:05:20,793 and we both saw something laying next to the dumpster 73 00:05:20,896 --> 00:05:22,344 behind one of these businesses. 74 00:05:22,965 --> 00:05:24,000 [sirens wailing] 75 00:05:25,482 --> 00:05:26,413 [Sgt. Taylor] Is that a mannequin? 76 00:05:35,620 --> 00:05:36,793 And as we were closer, 77 00:05:42,724 --> 00:05:44,689 we saw that it was a female. 78 00:05:44,793 --> 00:05:47,448 That's a real person, uh, and when you see that, 79 00:05:47,551 --> 00:05:49,068 it takes you back for a minute. 80 00:05:51,068 --> 00:05:53,206 Of course, they showed you horrific pictures of 81 00:05:53,310 --> 00:05:56,517 people that had been shot, or stuff like that, in training academy. 82 00:05:56,620 --> 00:05:58,413 But it's different when you come across it yourself. 83 00:06:00,931 --> 00:06:02,758 I don't think anyone's ready for that. 84 00:06:03,862 --> 00:06:05,896 And at that time, dispatch probably woke 85 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,793 every one of them up when I came over the air and said, 86 00:06:07,896 --> 00:06:10,000 "We have a D.B.", meaning a dead body. 87 00:06:10,827 --> 00:06:12,310 [phone ringing] 88 00:06:27,965 --> 00:06:29,827 It's about 5:25 in the morning, 89 00:06:31,827 --> 00:06:33,068 and the phone rings. 90 00:06:33,172 --> 00:06:34,827 And it's the PD Communications Center. 91 00:06:36,275 --> 00:06:38,172 So they had patrol officers on the scene 92 00:06:38,275 --> 00:06:41,862 of a discovered body at the rear of the Korean Club. 93 00:06:41,965 --> 00:06:44,551 In 1987, I'd been in the police department for 14 years. 94 00:06:45,793 --> 00:06:47,551 I was a sergeant in Homicide. 95 00:06:50,862 --> 00:06:53,206 It's completely and totally unpredictable. 96 00:06:53,310 --> 00:06:54,379 There is no routine. 97 00:06:55,655 --> 00:06:56,862 Every case 98 00:06:58,172 --> 00:07:00,655 is absolutely unique. 99 00:07:00,758 --> 00:07:02,068 [tense music playing] 100 00:07:53,275 --> 00:07:56,758 The CSPD Homicide unit, they were the blue-ribbon, 101 00:07:57,758 --> 00:08:01,206 um, homicide unit in my opinion. 102 00:08:02,724 --> 00:08:04,000 The sergeant on scene 103 00:08:05,068 --> 00:08:06,551 happened to be Joe Kenda, 104 00:08:06,655 --> 00:08:09,586 and I appreciated his dedication. 105 00:08:09,689 --> 00:08:13,275 He really wanted to do right by the victims. 106 00:08:28,172 --> 00:08:30,172 [Lt. Kenda] This is one of the most violent crimes I've ever seen. 107 00:08:44,586 --> 00:08:47,724 I've seen many things, not many this extreme. 108 00:08:49,068 --> 00:08:51,241 What always sticks with me in cases is 109 00:08:51,344 --> 00:08:54,758 the crime scene itself, the appearance of the victim. 110 00:08:54,862 --> 00:08:57,827 The images of that never stop, never go away. 111 00:08:57,931 --> 00:09:00,034 We talk about words like, 112 00:09:00,137 --> 00:09:02,586 uh, it was horrible and it was terrifying, 113 00:09:03,758 --> 00:09:05,793 but you don't really understand the meaning 114 00:09:05,896 --> 00:09:08,413 of that until you're 115 00:09:08,517 --> 00:09:10,413 knee-deep in the human perversion 116 00:09:10,517 --> 00:09:11,793 that is rape and murder. 117 00:09:16,586 --> 00:09:17,931 [Sgt. Taylor] The body was nude, 118 00:09:19,206 --> 00:09:22,103 other than her jeans were on one of her ankles. 119 00:09:22,206 --> 00:09:23,793 A shoe was laying off to the side. 120 00:09:25,724 --> 00:09:27,758 There was a diamond ring on the ring finger 121 00:09:27,862 --> 00:09:28,758 of her left hand. 122 00:09:28,862 --> 00:09:31,172 Single stone, small. But it has value. 123 00:09:33,172 --> 00:09:33,931 It isn't removed. 124 00:09:37,034 --> 00:09:40,379 This isn't robbery that goes south somehow. 125 00:09:40,482 --> 00:09:43,206 So that eliminates one motive almost immediately. 126 00:09:49,344 --> 00:09:50,517 Looking at her face, 127 00:09:53,241 --> 00:09:54,689 she has three coat hangers 128 00:09:56,551 --> 00:09:59,620 made into a bridle you would see on a horse. 129 00:10:00,517 --> 00:10:01,620 My God. 130 00:10:05,310 --> 00:10:06,758 At the back of the head, 131 00:10:06,862 --> 00:10:08,931 these wires are twisted together 132 00:10:09,034 --> 00:10:11,931 to form a handle where someone can control 133 00:10:12,034 --> 00:10:13,034 the movement of her head. 134 00:10:18,241 --> 00:10:21,034 The wires cut into the joints of her cheeks 135 00:10:22,206 --> 00:10:23,793 and into the flesh of her face. 136 00:10:24,586 --> 00:10:25,517 It's very disturbing. 137 00:10:27,448 --> 00:10:28,241 Very disturbing. 138 00:10:34,344 --> 00:10:36,517 She had bite marks on her body. 139 00:10:39,862 --> 00:10:42,068 One of the nipples had been bitten off. 140 00:10:44,758 --> 00:10:47,448 I was really amazed by the savagery 141 00:10:47,551 --> 00:10:52,034 committed by someone who has all been reduced to a hyena. 142 00:10:52,137 --> 00:10:56,137 Incisor wounds from his teeth into a dead body. 143 00:10:56,241 --> 00:10:58,896 Removal of a nipple by biting it off. 144 00:10:59,655 --> 00:11:01,000 Savage crime. 145 00:11:01,793 --> 00:11:05,655 It wasn't a random, quick, 146 00:11:05,758 --> 00:11:08,551 impulsive action. 147 00:11:08,655 --> 00:11:12,000 Someone that had a monster inside him 148 00:11:12,103 --> 00:11:16,034 had spent considerable time torturing her. 149 00:11:21,034 --> 00:11:24,137 The body looked so cold 150 00:11:25,103 --> 00:11:26,448 and so alone. 151 00:11:27,827 --> 00:11:30,724 First off, you gotta figure out who this victim is. 152 00:11:30,827 --> 00:11:32,655 In this particular case, lo and behold, 153 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,034 her driver's license was laying on the ground 154 00:11:39,137 --> 00:11:39,862 next to the body. 155 00:11:41,586 --> 00:11:43,827 It turns out that she's an active soldier. 156 00:11:43,931 --> 00:11:46,482 She, uh, belonged to a unit out at Fort Carson. 157 00:11:46,586 --> 00:11:48,689 Colorado Springs in 1987 158 00:11:48,793 --> 00:11:51,103 was a military town. 159 00:11:59,931 --> 00:12:01,931 So we know that she's Darlene Krashoc 160 00:12:02,034 --> 00:12:03,034 and she's 20 years old. 161 00:12:05,827 --> 00:12:08,172 She's active duty military. 162 00:12:08,275 --> 00:12:11,137 She's young, has her whole life in front of her, 163 00:12:11,241 --> 00:12:14,172 and somebody took it from her in the worst possible way. 164 00:12:18,034 --> 00:12:21,034 But it puzzled me why he would display the ID. 165 00:12:22,034 --> 00:12:23,758 It's as if he's taunting us. 166 00:12:24,448 --> 00:12:25,517 Here's who she is, 167 00:12:26,965 --> 00:12:28,689 but you don't know who I am, do you? 168 00:12:34,827 --> 00:12:38,034 Charles Green is our crime scene technician 169 00:12:39,206 --> 00:12:41,517 Technician Green was a very competent guy. 170 00:12:41,620 --> 00:12:45,068 Charlie was a meticulous evidence collector, 171 00:12:45,172 --> 00:12:46,241 photographer. 172 00:12:46,344 --> 00:12:49,172 He was so careful and so attentive 173 00:12:49,275 --> 00:12:50,586 to every little detail. 174 00:13:00,379 --> 00:13:01,758 [Det. Mike Nestor] There was three cigarettes 175 00:13:02,724 --> 00:13:04,413 on the asphalt next to the body. 176 00:13:07,517 --> 00:13:09,448 It made me wonder why 177 00:13:09,551 --> 00:13:11,344 they were so close to the body. 178 00:13:11,448 --> 00:13:14,000 Is it an employee sneaking outside for a smoke break, 179 00:13:14,103 --> 00:13:16,448 or is our perpetrator admiring his work? 180 00:13:19,413 --> 00:13:21,000 So when we collected this evidence, 181 00:13:23,724 --> 00:13:25,793 We did so with the best possible methods. 182 00:13:25,896 --> 00:13:28,344 Rubber gloves, masks, everything, 183 00:13:28,448 --> 00:13:31,448 in order to preserve it for subsequent identification. 184 00:13:35,034 --> 00:13:37,448 We see tire tracks right next to this body... 185 00:13:41,344 --> 00:13:44,793 ...which indicates the body transported to that location. 186 00:13:44,896 --> 00:13:47,758 There was no question in my mind this crime occurred somewhere else. 187 00:13:52,862 --> 00:13:55,241 Where did it occur? We don't know. 188 00:13:56,724 --> 00:13:59,896 The question is who is responsible for this death? 189 00:14:01,931 --> 00:14:02,827 Where is he now? 190 00:14:03,965 --> 00:14:04,793 He's a ghost. 191 00:14:05,620 --> 00:14:06,620 He's a puff of smoke. 192 00:14:07,482 --> 00:14:09,034 He's a shadow in the night. 193 00:14:10,620 --> 00:14:12,172 How am I gonna figure this out? 194 00:14:18,379 --> 00:14:19,931 [Det. Isham] "After Sgt. Kenda arrived, 195 00:14:20,034 --> 00:14:21,965 closer examination was made of the body. 196 00:14:22,068 --> 00:14:24,172 The body is that of a White female 197 00:14:24,275 --> 00:14:25,965 laying partially on her back. 198 00:14:29,793 --> 00:14:30,965 There were three cigarette butts 199 00:14:31,068 --> 00:14:32,310 located on the ground. 200 00:14:32,413 --> 00:14:33,931 These were each picked up 201 00:14:34,034 --> 00:14:36,448 and a sample of the soil under the body." 202 00:14:38,241 --> 00:14:40,689 The evidence they collected had been packaged, 203 00:14:40,793 --> 00:14:42,689 categorized just like we would today, 204 00:14:42,793 --> 00:14:45,068 and what that does is preserves that evidence. 205 00:14:45,172 --> 00:14:47,862 If we didn't have the evidence that they collected in 1987, 206 00:14:47,965 --> 00:14:48,965 the case goes nowhere. 207 00:15:04,310 --> 00:15:05,413 [tense music playing] 208 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,931 [Lt. Kenda] So I'd leave that crime scene area 209 00:15:15,034 --> 00:15:17,241 and I wanna go talk to the people in the Korean Club. 210 00:15:24,206 --> 00:15:25,620 [Lt. Ritz] Could this have occurred inside the bar 211 00:15:25,724 --> 00:15:27,689 and the victim dumped outside? 212 00:15:27,793 --> 00:15:30,206 That's one of our first things to look at because 213 00:15:30,310 --> 00:15:31,482 of the location of the body. 214 00:15:33,137 --> 00:15:34,896 [Lt. Kenda] So we show this ID photograph 215 00:15:37,034 --> 00:15:38,137 to all the employees. 216 00:15:42,275 --> 00:15:43,413 No one's ever seen her before. 217 00:15:46,344 --> 00:15:48,689 But the bartender does provide one useful piece 218 00:15:48,793 --> 00:15:51,310 of information in terms of timeline for our crime scene. 219 00:15:53,655 --> 00:15:55,896 [Lt. Ritz] He's able to say he was the last person out. 220 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,758 It was right around 2:00. 221 00:15:57,862 --> 00:15:58,931 He didn't notice anything. 222 00:16:00,172 --> 00:16:01,827 5:20 in the morning, that's when the victim 223 00:16:01,931 --> 00:16:04,068 was first identified. 224 00:16:04,172 --> 00:16:07,034 That narrows our timeline down to 3 hours and change. 225 00:16:07,827 --> 00:16:09,344 That's important. 226 00:16:09,448 --> 00:16:12,655 Darlene, where were you for those 3 hours? 227 00:16:12,758 --> 00:16:13,793 And with whom? 228 00:16:25,551 --> 00:16:28,000 When we got to the morgue and the body thawed, 229 00:16:28,965 --> 00:16:30,379 the violence became even worse. 230 00:16:37,206 --> 00:16:40,758 The autopsy performed on Darlene told us a lot. 231 00:16:40,862 --> 00:16:44,620 Not only was she beaten, uh, she was sexually assaulted. 232 00:16:44,724 --> 00:16:45,827 She was sodomized. 233 00:16:45,931 --> 00:16:48,931 She strangled on the wires around her neck. 234 00:16:51,862 --> 00:16:53,586 Fighting for air to breathe, 235 00:16:54,862 --> 00:16:56,586 unable to do so. 236 00:16:56,689 --> 00:16:57,827 That's what actually killed her. 237 00:17:02,137 --> 00:17:03,724 You look at this and you think, 238 00:17:03,827 --> 00:17:05,793 My...Who are we looking for here? 239 00:17:08,758 --> 00:17:12,551 The cold temperatures can trap liquid that comes from a perpetrator. 240 00:17:12,655 --> 00:17:14,689 Seminal fluid or other such things... 241 00:17:17,413 --> 00:17:19,241 ...that's recoverable when it melts 242 00:17:19,344 --> 00:17:21,344 and drains onto the table. 243 00:17:21,448 --> 00:17:22,448 So all those things can be useful. 244 00:17:39,034 --> 00:17:41,413 Most homicides in the United States occur 245 00:17:41,517 --> 00:17:43,310 between people who know each other. 246 00:17:43,413 --> 00:17:46,482 So you have to find out who Darlene Krashoc is 247 00:17:46,586 --> 00:17:49,793 before you can possibly find out may wanted her dead. 248 00:17:52,103 --> 00:17:53,206 [Betty Krashoc] I answered the door. 249 00:17:53,310 --> 00:17:55,000 It was a sergeant from the Army. 250 00:17:56,586 --> 00:17:57,655 And he said, uh... 251 00:18:03,896 --> 00:18:05,862 ...your daughter Darlene has been killed. 252 00:18:07,689 --> 00:18:09,413 And I said, "Killed?" 253 00:18:09,517 --> 00:18:11,896 I said, "What happened?", and he said, "A homicide." 254 00:18:12,620 --> 00:18:13,689 And I said, "A homicide? 255 00:18:15,172 --> 00:18:16,310 Somebody killed her?" 256 00:18:16,413 --> 00:18:18,862 At that point, there was disbelief. 257 00:18:19,724 --> 00:18:21,965 They had it wrong. Um... 258 00:18:24,137 --> 00:18:27,137 There was no conflicts going on, so... 259 00:18:27,241 --> 00:18:29,275 She shouldn't be dead. She couldn't be dead. 260 00:18:29,379 --> 00:18:30,551 Quite honestly, 261 00:18:32,137 --> 00:18:33,344 I was a basket case. 262 00:18:37,137 --> 00:18:38,965 Nobody wants to see their child go. 263 00:18:49,172 --> 00:18:51,137 And then it's like, "Why? What happened? 264 00:18:51,241 --> 00:18:53,448 Course, nobody had any answers. 265 00:18:54,310 --> 00:18:56,241 When reality really set in, 266 00:18:58,482 --> 00:18:59,689 your world just fell apart. 267 00:18:59,793 --> 00:19:00,862 My world fell apart. 268 00:19:02,137 --> 00:19:05,793 It left an empty hole in the middle of you. 269 00:19:13,827 --> 00:19:15,931 [Lt. Kenda] Mr. and Mrs. Krashoc come in 270 00:19:16,034 --> 00:19:18,275 to deal with the loss of their child. 271 00:19:18,379 --> 00:19:20,482 Darlene was born in Baltimore, Maryland. 272 00:19:20,586 --> 00:19:21,620 [piano music playing] 273 00:19:23,448 --> 00:19:24,413 [Betty] She was a good kid. 274 00:19:25,758 --> 00:19:27,310 She was very outgoing. 275 00:19:28,068 --> 00:19:29,448 She was very caring. 276 00:19:31,379 --> 00:19:32,758 It was more than mother and daughter. 277 00:19:34,758 --> 00:19:36,448 You know, we were kinda best friends. 278 00:19:42,551 --> 00:19:43,344 She was a tomboy. 279 00:19:45,310 --> 00:19:47,482 She wanted to work on big trucks. 280 00:19:49,379 --> 00:19:52,172 [Paul] Darlene wanted to join the military. 281 00:19:52,275 --> 00:19:57,758 She had in her head her dream of wanting to drive tractor trailers. 282 00:20:00,724 --> 00:20:03,344 So she joined to get the Army to teach her. 283 00:20:04,655 --> 00:20:06,965 Her serving... Of course it made me proud. 284 00:20:12,655 --> 00:20:15,172 [Lt. Kenda] We asked them about something we noticed at the crime scene. 285 00:20:15,275 --> 00:20:18,482 That Darlene was wearing, what looked to us, like an engagement ring. 286 00:20:20,137 --> 00:20:21,172 Did they have any knowledge of that? 287 00:20:23,482 --> 00:20:24,931 Oh, yes. They did. 288 00:20:25,034 --> 00:20:26,862 She was actually married once 289 00:20:28,241 --> 00:20:29,862 to a young man who was in the Army. 290 00:20:33,103 --> 00:20:34,517 A Glen Gerringer. 291 00:20:40,241 --> 00:20:42,275 [Betty] I really didn't know anything about him. 292 00:20:42,379 --> 00:20:46,000 She and Glen hooked up and decided to get married. 293 00:20:46,103 --> 00:20:48,206 They could live off post and... 294 00:20:48,310 --> 00:20:50,689 You know, which I didn't agree with, but, uh, 295 00:20:50,793 --> 00:20:52,758 she was gonna do whatever she wanted to do anyhow. 296 00:20:53,758 --> 00:20:55,482 19, 20, I mean... 297 00:20:55,586 --> 00:20:57,034 You don't know what you wanna do. 298 00:20:57,137 --> 00:20:59,310 I mean, come on. You think you do, but you don't. 299 00:21:02,379 --> 00:21:04,103 [Betty] They were not compatible for each other. 300 00:21:04,206 --> 00:21:07,517 They filed for divorce and her divorce would have been final, 301 00:21:07,620 --> 00:21:10,068 uh, a few days after she was killed. 302 00:21:12,034 --> 00:21:14,965 Now, divorced husbands always intrigue me. 303 00:21:15,068 --> 00:21:18,103 We already know that whoever did this crime hates women. 304 00:21:18,206 --> 00:21:21,517 Sometimes a divorcee can hate their ex-wife. 305 00:21:21,620 --> 00:21:23,241 Really hate her. 306 00:21:23,344 --> 00:21:26,034 So this young man has emerged. 307 00:21:26,896 --> 00:21:28,310 He's at the top of our list. 308 00:21:31,206 --> 00:21:33,310 Gerringer was also a soldier out of Fort Carson. 309 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,689 [Lt. Ritz] The benefit of working with Fort Carson 310 00:21:41,793 --> 00:21:44,034 was the immediate access of their soldiers. 311 00:21:44,137 --> 00:21:46,379 If we needed to talk with somebody, 312 00:21:46,482 --> 00:21:50,172 CID, or their military police, would go pick those people up 313 00:21:50,275 --> 00:21:51,758 and make them readily available to us. 314 00:21:58,586 --> 00:22:01,068 Well, Glen. Who are you? 315 00:22:04,103 --> 00:22:05,551 How'd you feel about this divorce? 316 00:22:06,724 --> 00:22:08,275 Were you angry enough to kill her over it? 317 00:22:24,379 --> 00:22:29,275 You can always tell someone who is lying and trying to look emotional. 318 00:22:29,379 --> 00:22:31,206 Trying to fake as if they're sobbing. 319 00:22:36,448 --> 00:22:38,724 But that wasn't Gerringer. He was genuine. 320 00:22:41,482 --> 00:22:44,241 He was very emotional about the loss of Darlene Krashoc. 321 00:22:45,034 --> 00:22:47,517 He goes on to explain 322 00:22:47,620 --> 00:22:50,275 that even though they were divorced, they were friends. 323 00:22:50,379 --> 00:22:52,517 He was asked were he was at the night before. 324 00:22:52,620 --> 00:22:54,172 He's got a new girlfriend in his life. 325 00:22:54,275 --> 00:22:56,241 He was with her all night the night before. 326 00:22:56,344 --> 00:22:57,689 [Lt. Kenda] They hadn't seen each other in months. 327 00:22:57,793 --> 00:23:00,310 Totally cooperative with us, has an alibi. 328 00:23:02,586 --> 00:23:06,689 We took hair samples, we took blood, and we looked at his teeth. 329 00:23:06,793 --> 00:23:10,103 They in no way match the bite mark evidence we have from the victim. 330 00:23:10,206 --> 00:23:11,310 We move on. 331 00:23:12,862 --> 00:23:14,965 So who is Mr. X? 332 00:23:15,068 --> 00:23:16,068 We still don't know. 333 00:23:21,275 --> 00:23:24,965 Everybody we talked to, we took a blood sample from and preserved it 334 00:23:25,068 --> 00:23:27,931 to create a database of biological samples. 335 00:23:29,586 --> 00:23:31,965 The process to do that was complicated. 336 00:23:32,724 --> 00:23:34,034 And it was expensive. 337 00:23:38,034 --> 00:23:40,103 And I argued, let's do this. 338 00:23:40,206 --> 00:23:43,103 And it may never come to anything, but it could come to everything. 339 00:23:43,206 --> 00:23:44,206 So we did it. 340 00:23:47,034 --> 00:23:49,896 So everybody we spoke to in this case, I had their blood. 341 00:23:52,068 --> 00:23:57,413 The storage of that evidence, over time, so that the DNA doesn't deteriorate, 342 00:23:57,517 --> 00:24:01,655 and could still be used for comparison, 30 years later, 343 00:24:01,758 --> 00:24:03,724 was phenomenal. 344 00:24:03,827 --> 00:24:10,517 In 1987, DNA was really not even part of our conversation. 345 00:24:10,620 --> 00:24:14,344 The first DNA case was in England in 1986. 346 00:24:14,448 --> 00:24:16,000 It was something that we thought, 347 00:24:16,103 --> 00:24:19,896 "Wow, that sounds pretty cool. I wonder if someday we'll be able to use it." 348 00:24:24,137 --> 00:24:26,206 But then, fast-forward 30 years. 349 00:24:32,103 --> 00:24:34,241 We knew Darlene was an active duty soldier 350 00:24:34,344 --> 00:24:36,379 stationed here at Fort Carson. 351 00:24:36,482 --> 00:24:39,379 So I became in contact with a CID agent. 352 00:24:39,482 --> 00:24:41,000 And that was agent, Jessica Veltri. 353 00:24:43,517 --> 00:24:45,275 As a special agent for Army CID, 354 00:24:45,379 --> 00:24:48,551 I investigate felony-level crimes where the Army has an interest. 355 00:24:48,655 --> 00:24:50,103 And, as part of that role, 356 00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:56,862 I requested some cold cases to take a look at. 357 00:24:56,965 --> 00:24:59,862 I was then introduced to Detective Isham 358 00:24:59,965 --> 00:25:02,931 and Detective Somosky, who were also working on the cold case team 359 00:25:03,034 --> 00:25:05,724 with Colorado Springs Police Department. 360 00:25:05,827 --> 00:25:09,448 There was a lot of evidence, from the victim's clothing... 361 00:25:14,206 --> 00:25:16,965 To cigarette butts found near the body. 362 00:25:18,862 --> 00:25:20,103 The bite marks. 363 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,931 The hanger, the ligature. 364 00:25:25,724 --> 00:25:29,965 And so they actually got the DNA tested and uploaded to the system. 365 00:25:30,068 --> 00:25:33,413 Initially, the first piece of DNA evidence 366 00:25:33,517 --> 00:25:36,586 that had the best profile was a cigarette butt. 367 00:25:36,689 --> 00:25:39,655 Well, is that cigarette butt related to my crime scene? 368 00:25:39,758 --> 00:25:42,068 Or is it just trash that was in the parking lot? 369 00:25:43,896 --> 00:25:47,931 The lab examiner was able to confirm that the DNA profile 370 00:25:48,034 --> 00:25:50,896 on the cigarette butt matched a DNA profile 371 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,586 that was all over the victim's clothes. 372 00:26:00,137 --> 00:26:02,517 The phrase "Unknown Individual Number 1" 373 00:26:02,620 --> 00:26:05,137 came from the DNA lab report, 374 00:26:05,241 --> 00:26:08,827 where they identified a profile and it didn't match any other samples 375 00:26:08,931 --> 00:26:10,517 that had been submitted to the lab. 376 00:26:10,620 --> 00:26:13,724 And so then we knew, with confidence, okay, this was the right guy. 377 00:26:13,827 --> 00:26:16,000 It's just who is he? And where is he? 378 00:26:28,689 --> 00:26:29,413 [phone ringing] 379 00:26:31,241 --> 00:26:33,206 [Lt. Kenda] I get a call from CID. 380 00:26:33,310 --> 00:26:35,068 New information comes forward. 381 00:26:35,172 --> 00:26:38,034 There is a female soldier whose name is Carolyn Smith. 382 00:26:38,137 --> 00:26:40,551 She's active duty military. 383 00:26:40,655 --> 00:26:43,931 And she's sitting in an interrogation room, awaiting my arrival. 384 00:27:00,068 --> 00:27:02,379 I get there and start speaking with Carolyn Smith. 385 00:27:03,827 --> 00:27:05,551 This girl is Darlene's best friend. 386 00:27:09,034 --> 00:27:11,620 We are well-aware that 20-year-old girls 387 00:27:11,724 --> 00:27:14,000 tend to bump their gums with their friends. 388 00:27:15,862 --> 00:27:19,000 What can Smith tell us about Darlene and her associates? 389 00:27:20,724 --> 00:27:22,862 She had spoken to Darlene about 2 o'clock 390 00:27:22,965 --> 00:27:24,413 on the afternoon before she went missing. 391 00:27:24,517 --> 00:27:27,000 She indicated then, Darlene was gonna go out 392 00:27:27,103 --> 00:27:30,275 to Shuffles nightclub with a couple of guys 393 00:27:30,379 --> 00:27:32,896 from her unit, there at Fort Carson. 394 00:27:35,172 --> 00:27:39,586 [Lt. Kenda] Shuffles bar had a dance floor, music. And a young crowd. 395 00:27:39,689 --> 00:27:42,793 Darlene says, "Sgt. Lord is gonna take me." 396 00:27:42,896 --> 00:27:46,034 That's her sergeant who's in charge of her platoon. 397 00:27:46,137 --> 00:27:49,344 And she says another fellow, Tim Robinson, is gonna go with them. 398 00:27:53,689 --> 00:27:56,551 So Lord and Robinson, they're probably the last ones to see her alive. 399 00:28:02,068 --> 00:28:04,482 The thing I always say of CID, God bless them, 400 00:28:04,586 --> 00:28:07,137 they don't mess around. 401 00:28:07,241 --> 00:28:10,034 The civilian authorities say he might be involved in a murder, 402 00:28:10,137 --> 00:28:13,000 they will put your nose in the dirt, and handcuff you, 403 00:28:13,103 --> 00:28:16,620 and drag you from wherever you are to an interrogation room. 404 00:28:16,724 --> 00:28:21,413 And CID, in typical fashion, whips them up in 30 minutes. 405 00:28:21,517 --> 00:28:24,827 Lord and his friend, Robinson, 406 00:28:24,931 --> 00:28:27,413 obviously know that Darlene Krashoc is dead. 407 00:28:27,517 --> 00:28:29,344 Everybody in Fort Carson knows. 408 00:28:29,448 --> 00:28:33,862 Why wouldn't they come forward with the fact that they were with her that night before? 409 00:28:33,965 --> 00:28:36,931 So when I walked in to talk to Erik Lord, I took his handcuffs off. 410 00:28:37,034 --> 00:28:38,655 I said, "We're not gonna need these, are we Erik?" 411 00:28:39,896 --> 00:28:42,068 "No, sir." I said, "Okay, let's get them off." 412 00:28:46,620 --> 00:28:48,827 [Lord] He'd look at ya, and you could tell he was in charge. 413 00:28:48,931 --> 00:28:52,241 Joe Kenda asked us very pointed, very specific questions 414 00:28:52,344 --> 00:28:54,793 trying to find out whereabouts, who were we with. 415 00:28:54,896 --> 00:28:57,103 I mean, just about every single detail 416 00:28:57,206 --> 00:28:58,758 he could have imagined, that day. 417 00:29:02,655 --> 00:29:05,448 I was smoking like a freight train. I was nervous. 418 00:29:09,448 --> 00:29:11,655 We left work, and Darlene says she wanted to go out and have some fun. 419 00:29:12,758 --> 00:29:14,793 And so, I said, "Yeah, sure." You know. 420 00:29:14,896 --> 00:29:17,310 "Uh, I'll take you to B Street." 421 00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:26,137 Robinson was dancing with Darlene, 422 00:29:26,241 --> 00:29:27,482 and, you know, was having a good time. 423 00:29:32,241 --> 00:29:34,758 Darlene danced with a couple of the guys in the bar, 424 00:29:34,862 --> 00:29:36,517 and I said, "Okay. It's time to go." 425 00:29:36,620 --> 00:29:38,172 And she said, "No, I'm not leaving." 426 00:29:38,275 --> 00:29:41,275 I said, "Yeah, you are, 'cause I'm you're ride. I'm responsible for you." 427 00:29:43,172 --> 00:29:45,034 And we kinda got into it a little bit. 428 00:29:45,137 --> 00:29:47,620 And there was a guy at the bar that she was drinking with. 429 00:29:49,241 --> 00:29:52,620 Darlene doesn't introduce him, so he doesn't get a name. 430 00:29:54,482 --> 00:29:58,241 But Lord describes him as a young GI, doesn't know him, 431 00:29:58,344 --> 00:29:59,551 never seen him before. 432 00:29:59,655 --> 00:30:01,379 You can usually pick a soldier out. 433 00:30:02,517 --> 00:30:04,413 Just by the, you know, the way they walk. 434 00:30:04,517 --> 00:30:06,137 By the way they carry themselves. 435 00:30:08,172 --> 00:30:09,965 [Lt. Kenda] And he remembers looking at this guy, 436 00:30:10,068 --> 00:30:11,620 and he thought he was unusual-looking. 437 00:30:11,724 --> 00:30:13,689 Okay, what does that mean? 438 00:30:13,793 --> 00:30:16,862 The person that I saw had beady eyes, you know? 439 00:30:16,965 --> 00:30:21,000 It's very hard to translate someone's impression of a body part 440 00:30:21,103 --> 00:30:22,758 when you really don't know what he's talking about. 441 00:30:22,862 --> 00:30:26,310 What means beady eyes to him may mean something else to you. 442 00:30:29,965 --> 00:30:31,448 [Lord] She says, "He'll give me a ride." 443 00:30:32,620 --> 00:30:34,344 I said, "We have to make formation." 444 00:30:34,448 --> 00:30:36,586 You know, there's no way around it. 445 00:30:36,689 --> 00:30:38,206 You know, and it was getting late. 446 00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:41,482 And she says, "No, don't worry about it." 447 00:30:41,586 --> 00:30:44,137 "I'll be there." Last time I ever saw her. 448 00:30:46,965 --> 00:30:49,758 We, of course, considered that from the very beginning, 449 00:30:49,862 --> 00:30:53,241 that the killer in this process is probably military. 450 00:30:53,344 --> 00:30:55,275 That's the most likely scenario. 451 00:31:16,448 --> 00:31:20,310 To think that, even then, they knew that it was possibly a soldier, 452 00:31:20,413 --> 00:31:22,586 um, so somebody who you're supposed to be able to trust, 453 00:31:22,689 --> 00:31:24,103 um, and work alongside with. 454 00:31:25,724 --> 00:31:28,620 As a special agent for Army CID, I didn't want to give up on that. 455 00:31:30,551 --> 00:31:34,068 In 2017, the technology called phenotyping, 456 00:31:34,172 --> 00:31:38,379 that was the most advanced DNA technology we could do at that time. 457 00:31:38,482 --> 00:31:43,551 Early in 2017, I came across this company called Parabon. 458 00:31:43,655 --> 00:31:47,620 And I saw that they had the ability to take DNA 459 00:31:47,724 --> 00:31:51,724 and identify, with a certain probability, what color eyes this person might have, 460 00:31:51,827 --> 00:31:53,034 what skin tone they might have. 461 00:31:54,827 --> 00:31:57,827 We learned when we got the phenotype, 462 00:31:57,931 --> 00:32:03,068 the individual that the DNA belonged to was a white male. 463 00:32:04,379 --> 00:32:07,000 Northern, western European descent. 464 00:32:07,103 --> 00:32:09,793 Brown hair, hazel eyes. 465 00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:15,482 [Lt. Kenda] The evolution I was so fondly looking forward to, 466 00:32:15,586 --> 00:32:16,931 has in fact happened. 467 00:32:17,034 --> 00:32:18,482 The ghost is alive. 468 00:32:26,413 --> 00:32:27,827 We have Sergeant Lord, 469 00:32:29,137 --> 00:32:33,241 the last man to see Darlene Krashoc alive. 470 00:32:33,344 --> 00:32:38,172 At the time, Erik was trying his best to convince this girl to come out of this bar. 471 00:32:38,275 --> 00:32:41,275 It wasn't enough. He got tired of that, and he left. 472 00:32:42,724 --> 00:32:45,586 And then, uh, next day she didn't show up. 473 00:32:46,724 --> 00:32:50,137 And... You know, I was... 474 00:32:50,241 --> 00:32:52,689 I said, "Okay, maybe... She'd been drinking." 475 00:32:52,793 --> 00:32:54,517 I said, "Let's give her some time." 476 00:32:54,620 --> 00:32:58,689 And then we had found out that there was a girl found. A girl's body was found. 477 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,241 I said, "Oh, my God! That's it. That's her." 478 00:33:05,344 --> 00:33:10,310 And, literally just... Whole world just caved in. 479 00:33:14,724 --> 00:33:17,793 [Lt. Kenda] Erik had some degree of survivor guilt. It's common. 480 00:33:17,896 --> 00:33:21,379 People blame themselves for something they didn't do, 481 00:33:22,896 --> 00:33:25,517 that resulted in terrible things happening to someone. 482 00:33:27,172 --> 00:33:31,655 You know, the fact that, um, I was Darlene's ride that night, 483 00:33:31,758 --> 00:33:34,413 and I left her behind, I... 484 00:33:35,862 --> 00:33:36,586 Um. 485 00:33:37,931 --> 00:33:39,172 I should've pushed her in the car. 486 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,344 And why I didn't. 487 00:33:44,655 --> 00:33:47,551 You know, it's, uh... Hard to deal with. 488 00:33:48,689 --> 00:33:51,275 One little motion, I could've changed... 489 00:33:51,379 --> 00:33:54,068 I wouldn't be here right now talking to you. 490 00:33:55,241 --> 00:33:56,724 Met a lot of people I didn't want to meet. 491 00:33:59,275 --> 00:34:02,586 And in this case, that much rage, it's not unlikely 492 00:34:02,689 --> 00:34:07,344 that the suspect also has some kind of marks or injuries on them. 493 00:34:07,448 --> 00:34:10,655 So when we're interviewing people, we're gonna ask and we're gonna look 494 00:34:10,758 --> 00:34:12,241 to see if they have any kind of marks on them. 495 00:34:12,344 --> 00:34:13,586 And then they said, "Take your shirt off." 496 00:34:23,103 --> 00:34:25,068 He's perfectly clean, doesn't have a mark on him. 497 00:34:28,034 --> 00:34:31,000 We still take blood and hair from him, with his consent. 498 00:34:31,103 --> 00:34:33,586 They looked at my teeth. Actually took bite impressions. 499 00:34:33,689 --> 00:34:35,931 It was very involved. 500 00:34:37,689 --> 00:34:41,862 [Lt. Kenda] The story Erik Lord tells is perfectly reasonable. 501 00:34:41,965 --> 00:34:45,206 The best person to confirm that story is Tim Robinson. 502 00:34:47,724 --> 00:34:49,206 Because he was there too. 503 00:34:50,793 --> 00:34:53,068 So I go next door, to where Mr. Robinson 504 00:34:53,172 --> 00:34:54,931 is being interrogated by somebody else. 505 00:34:56,241 --> 00:34:59,103 Tim and Erik provided very consistent information 506 00:34:59,206 --> 00:35:01,551 about their association with Darlene on that night. 507 00:35:04,517 --> 00:35:07,896 [Lt. Kenda] Everything is going along swimmingly in this interrogation. 508 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,724 Then we asked him to take off his shirt. 509 00:35:21,413 --> 00:35:23,172 And he is covered in scratches. 510 00:35:28,586 --> 00:35:31,034 He has them on his back, his chest, and his arm. 511 00:35:33,275 --> 00:35:34,931 Mr. Robinson, 512 00:35:35,034 --> 00:35:37,655 you suddenly have some serious explaining to do. 513 00:35:51,379 --> 00:35:52,310 He's got scratches all over him. 514 00:35:54,241 --> 00:35:57,965 Well, Timmy, where'd you get those? 515 00:35:58,068 --> 00:36:00,448 He's one of the last to see her. He's got some marks. 516 00:36:00,551 --> 00:36:01,931 This is starting to look pretty good. 517 00:36:02,034 --> 00:36:03,724 Robinson gets very upset. 518 00:36:03,827 --> 00:36:06,896 He knows the Army has a habit of hitting you over the head with a sledgehammer 519 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,965 when you get accused of a crime. 520 00:36:09,068 --> 00:36:14,517 I looked at him and asked him, "Can you explain the scratches and marks all over you?" 521 00:36:16,034 --> 00:36:19,206 And Robinson said, "I know this girl, 522 00:36:19,310 --> 00:36:23,000 and I went to see her that night and all these marks came from her." 523 00:36:23,103 --> 00:36:25,586 Well... 524 00:36:25,689 --> 00:36:29,068 Something you don't hear everyday, but there are people who do that sort of thing. 525 00:36:30,827 --> 00:36:33,827 He's in a relationship with a gal who gets a little physical. 526 00:36:37,034 --> 00:36:38,000 His story panned out. 527 00:36:40,137 --> 00:36:42,724 [Lt. Kenda] I still take hair and blood samples from him. 528 00:36:42,827 --> 00:36:44,931 And I ask to look at his teeth. 529 00:36:46,482 --> 00:36:48,068 When I do look at his teeth, 530 00:36:48,172 --> 00:36:51,034 they in no way match the bite mark evidence we have. 531 00:36:52,965 --> 00:36:55,172 So Mr. Robinson has an alibi. 532 00:37:02,689 --> 00:37:04,344 [Lt. Ritz] At this point in the investigation, 533 00:37:04,448 --> 00:37:06,241 when your leads are just running out 534 00:37:06,344 --> 00:37:08,310 and you don't have anything, you start to reach. 535 00:37:09,620 --> 00:37:11,620 [Lt. Kenda] In this particular case, 536 00:37:11,724 --> 00:37:15,586 the victim is in a nightclub involving perhaps as many as 100 people. 537 00:37:15,689 --> 00:37:19,379 It's a very difficult thing to analyze, after the fact. 538 00:37:25,034 --> 00:37:28,344 [Lt. Ritz] To think that a bartender was going to remember an individual 539 00:37:28,448 --> 00:37:30,482 that just walked up, grabbed a drink, went out and danced. 540 00:37:32,931 --> 00:37:38,068 Trying to identify an individual at a bar is a very daunting task. 541 00:37:56,379 --> 00:38:00,172 [Lt. Kenda] As a homicide detective, you engage in a process of elimination. 542 00:38:01,793 --> 00:38:05,137 This was 1987. No cellphones. 543 00:38:05,241 --> 00:38:07,482 No surveillance cameras. 544 00:38:07,586 --> 00:38:11,172 This is old-fashioned gumshoe detective work, 545 00:38:11,275 --> 00:38:13,551 relying on people's limited memories. 546 00:38:13,655 --> 00:38:15,758 People who had been drinking for six or seven hours. 547 00:38:15,862 --> 00:38:17,862 It makes this very, very difficult. 548 00:38:21,068 --> 00:38:22,724 The case file is every document 549 00:38:22,827 --> 00:38:25,655 associated in any way to the event in question. 550 00:38:26,931 --> 00:38:29,862 All police reports, the autopsy report, 551 00:38:29,965 --> 00:38:33,724 laboratory examination results, the list goes on. 552 00:38:33,827 --> 00:38:37,965 Anyone can pick up and learn everything that needs to be known 553 00:38:38,068 --> 00:38:39,344 about this investigation. 554 00:38:46,793 --> 00:38:48,275 That is a case file. 555 00:38:54,344 --> 00:38:58,862 The 30-year anniversary of Darlene's death was on March 17, 2017. 556 00:39:01,655 --> 00:39:06,482 With the DNA composite sketch, we got a reward approved for $10,000 557 00:39:06,586 --> 00:39:10,034 for any information leading to the identity, arrest, and conviction 558 00:39:10,137 --> 00:39:12,034 for the person responsible for the death of Darlene. 559 00:39:14,413 --> 00:39:15,413 The Parabon snapshot... 560 00:39:17,724 --> 00:39:19,275 Can give us predictions. 561 00:39:19,379 --> 00:39:22,379 Ethnicity, race, hair and eye color. 562 00:39:22,482 --> 00:39:24,241 The first they one they give you is at age 22, 563 00:39:24,344 --> 00:39:26,206 and then you can do a photo enhancement 564 00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:28,620 for, uh, the same person at age 50. 565 00:39:36,724 --> 00:39:39,068 That's really when it kinda opened the door. 566 00:39:48,931 --> 00:39:50,103 [Lt. Kenda] It's the 26th of March, 567 00:39:51,793 --> 00:39:53,517 1987. 568 00:39:53,620 --> 00:39:55,827 Nine days in. 569 00:39:55,931 --> 00:39:58,551 After all of this frustration, all of this effort, 570 00:39:58,655 --> 00:40:01,551 that's gotten us nowhere, 571 00:40:01,655 --> 00:40:04,793 suddenly, out of the blue, a lightning bolt arrives. 572 00:40:04,896 --> 00:40:06,413 [phone ringing] 573 00:40:06,517 --> 00:40:09,586 Army CID, they call me, they say, "We have this individual in custody, 574 00:40:09,689 --> 00:40:11,379 his name is Brian Jackson. 575 00:40:11,482 --> 00:40:14,586 He is charged with some sexual assault offenses." 576 00:40:16,827 --> 00:40:21,551 And he says that he's responsible for the death of our victim. 577 00:40:24,827 --> 00:40:27,172 Well, hallelujah, there is a God. 578 00:40:27,965 --> 00:40:29,551 We're on our way. 579 00:40:35,827 --> 00:40:37,758 When CID starts a little bit of their investigation, 580 00:40:37,862 --> 00:40:39,379 we find out that, yes, he has a truck. 581 00:40:41,689 --> 00:40:45,206 We believe that she was transported in a truck. 582 00:40:45,310 --> 00:40:47,068 [Lt. Kenda] The Army has the ability to search 583 00:40:47,172 --> 00:40:49,137 people's vehicles without their consent. 584 00:40:49,241 --> 00:40:51,034 We don't. But they do. 585 00:40:52,241 --> 00:40:54,172 They searched his truck. 586 00:40:57,827 --> 00:40:59,241 Guess what? There's a coat hanger in the truck. 587 00:41:02,344 --> 00:41:04,344 [Lt. Kenda] We have physical evidence that could match 588 00:41:04,448 --> 00:41:05,862 what was used in this crime. 589 00:41:05,965 --> 00:41:08,379 We have him making these statements. 590 00:41:08,482 --> 00:41:10,655 He's active duty military. 591 00:41:10,758 --> 00:41:12,448 He's charged with sexual assault. 592 00:41:12,551 --> 00:41:16,137 Everything says the stars are coming into alignment. 593 00:41:16,241 --> 00:41:18,482 That this very well is our guy. 594 00:41:20,206 --> 00:41:20,931 I go there. 595 00:41:26,413 --> 00:41:30,068 And everybody and his brother begins to show up. 596 00:41:30,172 --> 00:41:34,379 The Staff Judge Advocate General for Fort Carson is there. 597 00:41:34,482 --> 00:41:38,620 The Commanding General of the 4th Infantry Division is there. 598 00:41:38,724 --> 00:41:41,241 The Chief Judge of the court is there. 599 00:41:43,241 --> 00:41:45,034 And of course, all heads turn towards me. 600 00:41:47,758 --> 00:41:51,103 When I first meet Brian Jackson, he's well-aware of how much trouble he's in. 601 00:41:52,965 --> 00:41:54,103 He's gonna be a nervous wreck. 602 00:41:55,482 --> 00:41:56,931 We'll see where this goes. 603 00:42:07,689 --> 00:42:12,517 Brian Jackson says he's responsible for the death of Darlene Krashoc. 604 00:42:15,758 --> 00:42:17,827 He has some promising attributes. 605 00:42:19,103 --> 00:42:20,689 He's in custody for sexual assault. 606 00:42:22,724 --> 00:42:24,965 This is a sexual assault crime. 607 00:42:25,068 --> 00:42:26,344 That fits. 608 00:42:27,448 --> 00:42:29,000 He's made some veiled statements 609 00:42:29,103 --> 00:42:30,827 about how he's probably responsible 610 00:42:30,931 --> 00:42:32,655 for Darlene Krashoc's death. 611 00:42:34,034 --> 00:42:36,344 Does that add up to proof beyond a reasonable doubt? 612 00:42:44,413 --> 00:42:45,793 No. 613 00:42:45,896 --> 00:42:50,344 It rises to the level of further inquiry. 614 00:42:50,448 --> 00:42:53,379 So, Jackson, he's been in the Army 12 years. 615 00:42:53,482 --> 00:42:55,379 He's an infantry guy. 616 00:42:55,482 --> 00:42:56,344 He is married. 617 00:42:57,310 --> 00:42:58,931 Jackson is currently charged 618 00:42:59,034 --> 00:43:00,862 with two counts of sexual assault 619 00:43:00,965 --> 00:43:03,344 against female soldiers in his company. 620 00:43:03,448 --> 00:43:06,413 He is in the trouble of his life. 621 00:43:06,517 --> 00:43:09,758 That can lead people to say things that otherwise aren't true. 622 00:43:09,862 --> 00:43:13,413 Looking for leverage, looking for a way out, looking for something. 623 00:43:13,517 --> 00:43:16,689 Turn out, Mr. Jackson is precisely that person. 624 00:43:18,620 --> 00:43:22,103 Lots of things about him that he needs to explain, for sure. 625 00:43:22,206 --> 00:43:23,241 Let's talk about it. 626 00:43:24,275 --> 00:43:26,931 "Do you know Darlene Krashoc?" 627 00:43:27,034 --> 00:43:28,862 "Well, no, I don't really know her." 628 00:43:28,965 --> 00:43:32,482 "But you say you are responsible for her death. 629 00:43:32,586 --> 00:43:34,413 Why would you say that?" 630 00:43:36,758 --> 00:43:38,931 "Well, I just think if I would have been there..." 631 00:43:39,034 --> 00:43:42,241 And he wanders off in this weird, sort of, discussion. 632 00:43:42,344 --> 00:43:45,586 And you begin to realize that this guy is trying to use 633 00:43:45,689 --> 00:43:47,310 the murder of Darlene Krashoc 634 00:43:47,413 --> 00:43:50,068 to show him mercy in his situation. 635 00:43:50,172 --> 00:43:52,344 Had he been at the bar, he would have prevented 636 00:43:52,448 --> 00:43:54,241 Darlene Krashoc from being killed. 637 00:43:54,344 --> 00:43:57,310 And because she was killed, he feels responsible for that. 638 00:43:58,068 --> 00:43:59,413 Oh, please. 639 00:43:59,517 --> 00:44:02,413 What's his alibi? Where was he at the night that this happened? 640 00:44:02,517 --> 00:44:04,896 Well, the alibi just totally threw him out of... 641 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,000 Out of the water there. 642 00:44:06,103 --> 00:44:07,068 He couldn't have killed Darlene. 643 00:44:07,172 --> 00:44:09,000 He wasn't even near Shuffles that night. 644 00:44:10,655 --> 00:44:13,413 [Joe Kenda] Mr. Jackson is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, 645 00:44:13,517 --> 00:44:16,862 and he's reaching for any straw that he can get hold of 646 00:44:16,965 --> 00:44:20,482 to provide him some mercy from the system. 647 00:44:20,586 --> 00:44:22,896 We take blood, we take hair. 648 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,551 We also look at his teeth. 649 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,655 His teeth no way match her bite marks. 650 00:44:28,758 --> 00:44:31,551 He's not the guy we want for Darlene Krashoc. 651 00:44:31,655 --> 00:44:33,310 He's just a guy. 652 00:44:34,344 --> 00:44:37,172 So, this great feeling of euphoria 653 00:44:37,275 --> 00:44:40,413 has turned into yet another disappointment. 654 00:44:40,517 --> 00:44:44,000 That's why a murder investigation can drive you crazy. 655 00:44:44,103 --> 00:44:46,793 It's so good, and then, suddenly, it's so bad. 656 00:44:48,172 --> 00:44:50,344 [Brian Ritz] Uh, you're back to square one again. 657 00:44:50,448 --> 00:44:53,896 And at this point, we don't have a whole lot of other direction to go. 658 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,793 You add parts to that investigative file every day. 659 00:44:57,896 --> 00:44:59,137 It begins with page one. 660 00:45:00,482 --> 00:45:03,379 And before you know it, you're opening page 401. 661 00:45:06,931 --> 00:45:09,551 Despite our efforts, despite everything we've done, 662 00:45:09,655 --> 00:45:13,103 we have been unable to identify any other suspects. 663 00:45:14,965 --> 00:45:16,448 We are at a dead end. 664 00:45:18,206 --> 00:45:20,413 At some point, you have to say, 665 00:45:20,517 --> 00:45:24,724 "For now, this investigation cannot move forward 666 00:45:24,827 --> 00:45:26,206 'cause there is no place for it to move. 667 00:45:26,310 --> 00:45:29,896 It is now an inactive homicide investigation." 668 00:45:41,068 --> 00:45:44,448 Nobody wants to quit. We want to get the answers. 669 00:45:47,586 --> 00:45:50,862 [Kenda] I felt I had done everything in my power 670 00:45:52,310 --> 00:45:53,896 to find out who killed her. 671 00:45:57,862 --> 00:45:59,551 And I didn't do it. 672 00:46:00,379 --> 00:46:02,413 I didn't find out. 673 00:46:04,103 --> 00:46:05,896 There's a price you pay for that. 674 00:46:07,413 --> 00:46:08,517 Nightmares. 675 00:46:09,379 --> 00:46:10,793 All sorts of fun things. 676 00:46:11,379 --> 00:46:12,689 But reality sets in. 677 00:46:14,724 --> 00:46:19,000 There are other mothers that have lost loved ones that need our attention. 678 00:46:19,103 --> 00:46:23,379 [reporter] Krashoc was an active-duty soldier stationed at Fort Carson. 679 00:46:23,482 --> 00:46:25,103 No suspect was identified. 680 00:46:26,551 --> 00:46:28,275 You have to tell the parents that. 681 00:46:30,103 --> 00:46:31,344 Ugly business. 682 00:46:33,068 --> 00:46:35,482 [Paul Krashoc] Betty had a hard time. 683 00:46:35,586 --> 00:46:38,310 She fell into a deep state of depression. 684 00:46:38,413 --> 00:46:40,206 Put her under doctor's care. 685 00:46:40,310 --> 00:46:43,344 Like any other mother, she would just, uh... 686 00:46:45,034 --> 00:46:47,034 cry. Cried a lot. 687 00:46:48,965 --> 00:46:51,344 [Betty Krashoc] I just had to know. I want to know. 688 00:46:51,448 --> 00:46:54,103 Find him. How hard could it be? 689 00:46:54,206 --> 00:46:56,896 You know, that's me, and that's any parent. 690 00:46:59,586 --> 00:47:01,724 [Kenda] You have to understand their position. 691 00:47:01,827 --> 00:47:04,862 They're in an emotional nightmare that they can't wake up from, 692 00:47:04,965 --> 00:47:06,689 that someone like this is walking around loose, 693 00:47:06,793 --> 00:47:08,586 and we don't know who he is. 694 00:47:11,137 --> 00:47:12,241 We have no idea who he is. 695 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,068 But people who commit crimes forget something 696 00:47:18,172 --> 00:47:20,517 that's extremely important. 697 00:47:20,620 --> 00:47:24,517 The police do not forgive, and they do not forget. 698 00:47:24,620 --> 00:47:29,000 And some day, your knee is gonna touch the ground. 699 00:47:31,206 --> 00:47:33,724 And on that day, 700 00:47:33,827 --> 00:47:36,586 a policeman's gonna be standing over you 701 00:47:36,689 --> 00:47:40,206 to handcuff you and remind you of your past. 702 00:47:40,310 --> 00:47:42,310 That's the day I always look forward to. 703 00:47:44,655 --> 00:47:47,793 We are going to identify the ghost. 704 00:47:57,827 --> 00:48:00,413 In the case of Darlene Krashoc, 705 00:48:00,517 --> 00:48:03,724 there is no one left to investigate. 706 00:48:08,206 --> 00:48:10,448 I would come into work early every morning. 707 00:48:10,551 --> 00:48:11,689 I'd make a cup of coffee. 708 00:48:13,103 --> 00:48:15,931 I'd walk to the doorway of the cold-case library. 709 00:48:17,172 --> 00:48:18,379 And I'd look at every book. 710 00:48:20,241 --> 00:48:22,620 And then, I would beat myself up for being a dumb [bleep] 711 00:48:22,724 --> 00:48:25,000 who doesn't know who killed those people. 712 00:48:25,103 --> 00:48:28,482 Then I'd go sit down and start looking over reports 713 00:48:28,586 --> 00:48:30,379 of the current homicide cases. 714 00:48:33,413 --> 00:48:36,551 I carried on after we closed the active status 715 00:48:36,655 --> 00:48:38,172 of the Krashoc case 716 00:48:40,413 --> 00:48:42,758 until 1996, September 1st. 717 00:48:46,206 --> 00:48:47,344 Then I returned. 718 00:48:50,862 --> 00:48:53,310 Life goes on, retirements happen. 719 00:48:53,413 --> 00:48:56,896 Things in the country change, new Presidents are elected. 720 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,413 But you never forget. I never did. 721 00:48:59,517 --> 00:49:00,655 And I was still always hopeful 722 00:49:00,758 --> 00:49:02,862 that someday something would come to light 723 00:49:02,965 --> 00:49:05,793 in the Krashoc case by some method or means. 724 00:49:07,137 --> 00:49:09,724 And resurrection could be had finally. 725 00:49:16,275 --> 00:49:18,413 You know, I just felt like nobody was doing anything. 726 00:49:18,517 --> 00:49:21,551 I just felt like everybody had forgotten her. 727 00:49:22,586 --> 00:49:25,137 But, uh, I've got boxes of e-mails. 728 00:49:25,241 --> 00:49:27,379 I would e-mail every detective. 729 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,275 I'd type up letters. 730 00:49:29,379 --> 00:49:33,000 I even sent letters to the President of the United States. 731 00:49:33,103 --> 00:49:35,413 You never forget, and it never goes away. 732 00:49:35,517 --> 00:49:37,241 Has he ever done it again? 733 00:49:37,344 --> 00:49:39,862 Has he hurt somebody else's child? 734 00:49:39,965 --> 00:49:42,482 Has he destroyed somebody else's family? 735 00:49:44,586 --> 00:49:45,965 Betty, bless her heart, 736 00:49:46,068 --> 00:49:48,241 she was running interference for Darlene 737 00:49:48,344 --> 00:49:50,137 and making sure that it was getting done. 738 00:49:53,517 --> 00:49:55,379 [Betty] We decided we'd come back to Colorado. 739 00:49:55,482 --> 00:49:56,896 We did flyers. 740 00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,206 We had T-shirts made up with her picture on it and hats. 741 00:50:05,517 --> 00:50:07,448 I even wrote a poem. 742 00:50:09,172 --> 00:50:11,862 "In the vision of man, but it's just deceit. 743 00:50:11,965 --> 00:50:14,000 For there's a demon on your streets. 744 00:50:20,931 --> 00:50:24,034 You may know his face. I know it well. 745 00:50:33,931 --> 00:50:35,965 He left behind some clues to tell. 746 00:50:44,965 --> 00:50:47,724 I'm only waiting for the clock to chime, 747 00:50:47,827 --> 00:50:50,310 for soon, he'll pay for his heinous crime. 748 00:51:03,551 --> 00:51:04,758 [inhales deeply] 749 00:51:04,862 --> 00:51:07,310 I know the secret, I know the truth." 750 00:51:24,241 --> 00:51:27,137 The most important thing you can take away from a crime scene 751 00:51:27,241 --> 00:51:28,551 is the physical evidence. 752 00:51:32,034 --> 00:51:33,551 Well, the crime scene investigators, 753 00:51:33,655 --> 00:51:36,965 even back then, had specialized training 754 00:51:37,827 --> 00:51:39,413 in collecting that evidence. 755 00:51:39,517 --> 00:51:42,586 Now we have the benefit of video and technology 756 00:51:42,689 --> 00:51:45,241 and getting into people's social media and cell phone accounts, 757 00:51:45,344 --> 00:51:47,310 that actually help solve cases. 758 00:51:47,413 --> 00:51:50,551 But Joe Kenda, especially, came from an era 759 00:51:50,655 --> 00:51:52,379 where you had to find evidence. 760 00:51:54,517 --> 00:51:56,620 Those guys are absolute heroes. 761 00:52:00,241 --> 00:52:01,689 At the initial onset of the investigation, 762 00:52:01,793 --> 00:52:03,068 they collected all the evidence 763 00:52:04,103 --> 00:52:05,620 maybe, at that time, for blood typing 764 00:52:07,586 --> 00:52:09,586 and to see what the future might bring. 765 00:52:11,931 --> 00:52:13,689 It is fascinating, because they didn't know 766 00:52:13,793 --> 00:52:15,137 what they were preserving it for. 767 00:52:15,241 --> 00:52:17,620 Um, it just goes to show 768 00:52:17,724 --> 00:52:19,724 the foresight and the dedication 769 00:52:19,827 --> 00:52:22,206 to, to advancements that were coming. 770 00:52:22,310 --> 00:52:25,862 And knowing that we still had that evidence, I just, I felt very confident 771 00:52:25,965 --> 00:52:29,896 that there was a chance that this case could get solved. 772 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,344 [Somosky] The suspect's DNA profile had been entered in CODIS, 773 00:52:32,448 --> 00:52:33,862 a nationwide, uh, system. 774 00:52:33,965 --> 00:52:37,034 And as of 2018, there had been no matches. 775 00:52:37,137 --> 00:52:39,965 Which told me that since 1987, if no one's DNA 776 00:52:40,068 --> 00:52:42,206 had been entered into the system, it was very unlikely, 777 00:52:42,310 --> 00:52:43,827 and getting less likely by the second, 778 00:52:43,931 --> 00:52:45,172 that that was ever gonna happen. 779 00:52:46,586 --> 00:52:49,379 [Veltri] It blew me away that even though we had 780 00:52:49,482 --> 00:52:54,448 a really solid DNA profile in the national DNA index, 781 00:52:54,551 --> 00:52:55,758 we still didn't have a suspect. 782 00:52:58,241 --> 00:53:00,241 After the phenotyping was done, 783 00:53:00,344 --> 00:53:04,448 we got a visual depiction of what the shape of the face may look like. 784 00:53:06,827 --> 00:53:09,000 [Ishan] Social media just blew up. 785 00:53:09,103 --> 00:53:12,172 We were getting calls from other countries, 786 00:53:12,275 --> 00:53:14,793 based on seeing stuff on Facebook, 787 00:53:14,896 --> 00:53:16,896 saying, "Maybe I know this person." 788 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,689 Social media brought us tons of leads. 789 00:53:19,793 --> 00:53:22,000 Unfortunately, not a lot of them really led anywhere. 790 00:53:22,793 --> 00:53:24,103 You know, it's disappointing. 791 00:53:25,517 --> 00:53:28,620 That composite sketch, I had it posted on my desk. 792 00:53:28,724 --> 00:53:30,344 Just, I stared at it every day. 793 00:53:30,448 --> 00:53:33,965 Like, who is this guy, where is he now, is he alive? 794 00:53:35,275 --> 00:53:36,862 [Somosky] I remember The New York Times article 795 00:53:36,965 --> 00:53:39,482 about a cold case that was solved with genetic genealogy. 796 00:53:41,068 --> 00:53:43,517 So I started to follow how it was being applied in law enforcement. 797 00:53:45,517 --> 00:53:48,275 With the popularity of people testing their own DNA 798 00:53:48,379 --> 00:53:49,689 to find out where they're from... 799 00:53:53,724 --> 00:53:57,758 more and more people are entering their DNA into these databases. 800 00:53:57,862 --> 00:54:00,172 What forensic genealogists can do 801 00:54:00,275 --> 00:54:03,310 is start to trace back that family tree, 802 00:54:03,413 --> 00:54:06,793 and see what ancestors they have in common, 803 00:54:06,896 --> 00:54:09,137 and the law enforcement can, kind of, work with the genealogists. 804 00:54:10,551 --> 00:54:13,517 They find out where the DNA intersects 805 00:54:13,620 --> 00:54:16,275 between this family member with a shared DNA 806 00:54:16,379 --> 00:54:18,586 and the individual that you're trying to identify. 807 00:54:20,620 --> 00:54:23,103 -[line ringing] -I reached out to Parabon, 808 00:54:23,206 --> 00:54:25,137 who had previously done the phenotyping. 809 00:54:27,068 --> 00:54:29,793 So, the genealogy, it was new for their company, 810 00:54:29,896 --> 00:54:31,931 and they said, "We'll run it through the database once a week. 811 00:54:32,034 --> 00:54:34,241 And if get something that looks workable, we'll reach out." 812 00:54:42,034 --> 00:54:43,413 It was probably about a year. 813 00:54:43,517 --> 00:54:46,655 And that whole time, I'm just like, "I know it's coming." 814 00:54:54,620 --> 00:54:57,448 It was 2019 when I got the call. 815 00:54:57,551 --> 00:54:59,068 "We've got a possible match, 816 00:54:59,172 --> 00:55:02,000 a familial match, um, with the suspect. 817 00:55:02,103 --> 00:55:05,241 It equates to about a third cousin." 818 00:55:05,344 --> 00:55:08,241 And so this is something that we can work. It's workable. 819 00:55:08,344 --> 00:55:10,827 [phone ringing] 820 00:55:10,931 --> 00:55:13,758 [Isham] Agent Veltri called me and said, 821 00:55:13,862 --> 00:55:16,241 "We have a match to the unknown individual number one 822 00:55:16,344 --> 00:55:17,620 in Darlene Krashoc's case." 823 00:55:19,827 --> 00:55:23,275 I remember, I looked at Detective Somosky, 824 00:55:25,034 --> 00:55:27,206 and I just told him. I said, "I think we got our guy." 825 00:55:27,310 --> 00:55:29,241 And he said, "Are you sure?" 826 00:55:29,344 --> 00:55:32,965 And I said, "I'm not sure, but the science is sure." 827 00:55:33,068 --> 00:55:35,310 [Veltri] The very next communication was, 828 00:55:35,413 --> 00:55:37,000 "Hey, we'd like to brief you on the results." 829 00:55:37,103 --> 00:55:38,689 I mean, I remember being in the office. 830 00:55:38,793 --> 00:55:40,068 Jim was on the line. 831 00:55:40,172 --> 00:55:42,206 I had a sign on my door, like, "Do not disturb." 832 00:55:42,310 --> 00:55:44,137 Um, and we're just all sitting there. 833 00:55:46,413 --> 00:55:48,724 [Kenda] For 32 years at CSPD, 834 00:55:48,827 --> 00:55:50,551 I've been trying to identify a ghost, 835 00:55:50,655 --> 00:55:54,000 and, finally, after advances in science, 836 00:55:54,103 --> 00:55:56,241 willingness to pursue, 837 00:55:56,344 --> 00:55:58,896 that ghost that's out there running around loose... 838 00:56:00,793 --> 00:56:02,310 he has a name. 839 00:56:02,413 --> 00:56:04,482 This is what we've been looking for. 840 00:56:19,344 --> 00:56:21,275 Michael Whyte. 841 00:56:21,379 --> 00:56:23,482 Michael Whyte. 842 00:56:26,965 --> 00:56:29,965 Michael Whyte was tentatively identified from the genetic genealogy. 843 00:56:32,827 --> 00:56:34,655 His name is Michael David Whyte. 844 00:56:41,206 --> 00:56:44,448 We'd never seen the name Michael Whyte come up in that case report. 845 00:56:46,344 --> 00:56:48,137 I'd never seen the name before. 846 00:56:50,137 --> 00:56:52,034 All the people that we interviewed, 847 00:56:52,137 --> 00:56:54,310 the suspect's name never surfaced. 848 00:56:57,379 --> 00:56:59,448 [Kenda] 2,000 pages... 849 00:57:01,931 --> 00:57:05,103 and Michael David Whyte never appears. 850 00:57:05,206 --> 00:57:08,172 We never heard of him, nor did anyone else. 851 00:57:11,758 --> 00:57:14,827 Who is this guy? 852 00:57:14,931 --> 00:57:17,344 In doing some research, we confirm that he was a soldier. 853 00:57:21,034 --> 00:57:22,724 He was assigned to Fort Carson. 854 00:57:23,896 --> 00:57:25,310 During that time... 855 00:57:27,965 --> 00:57:30,000 and public records did confirm, he lived 856 00:57:30,103 --> 00:57:35,000 not far from where Darlene's body was found. 857 00:57:35,103 --> 00:57:37,655 [Kenda] He has zero criminal record. 858 00:57:37,758 --> 00:57:39,586 He got a parking ticket once. 859 00:57:41,344 --> 00:57:45,793 For all intents and purposes, he is Mr. Boring Suburbia. 860 00:57:45,896 --> 00:57:46,931 We need to know for sure. 861 00:57:52,206 --> 00:57:54,000 We need to surveil this guy. 862 00:57:54,103 --> 00:57:56,689 We knew that he was stable. 863 00:57:56,793 --> 00:58:00,724 Married, with a home in an affluent suburb in Denver. 864 00:58:01,758 --> 00:58:04,310 And working in a pretty good job 865 00:58:04,413 --> 00:58:05,758 in the telecommunications industry. 866 00:58:09,448 --> 00:58:12,068 We needed to get ahold of DNA to confirm 867 00:58:12,172 --> 00:58:14,068 that he was the person matching 868 00:58:14,172 --> 00:58:15,896 unknown suspect number one's DNA. 869 00:58:25,103 --> 00:58:27,000 A fugitive team did sit up on Michael Whyte. 870 00:58:28,137 --> 00:58:30,344 [Kenda] These are guys that do this for a living. 871 00:58:30,448 --> 00:58:32,310 So you'd never know you're getting followed. 872 00:58:32,413 --> 00:58:34,896 They just keep tailing off, trading off. 873 00:58:38,241 --> 00:58:39,034 They're good at it. 874 00:58:51,931 --> 00:58:54,931 So they go, and they start surveilling him. 875 00:58:55,034 --> 00:58:57,758 And this particular day, he's out running errands. 876 00:58:59,862 --> 00:59:01,862 But he pulls into a hamburger place 877 00:59:03,448 --> 00:59:04,310 to get lunch. 878 00:59:05,379 --> 00:59:08,655 He sits there, he enjoys his lunch. 879 00:59:08,758 --> 00:59:11,241 And he has a red Solo cup. 880 00:59:11,344 --> 00:59:12,724 He drinks from the cup. 881 00:59:13,413 --> 00:59:15,655 The cup is now the focus. 882 00:59:17,758 --> 00:59:20,206 That's gonna have his saliva on that cup. 883 00:59:20,310 --> 00:59:21,482 What's he gonna do with it? 884 00:59:24,724 --> 00:59:26,827 He gets up and leaves. 885 00:59:34,896 --> 00:59:35,862 So we didn't need a warrant. 886 00:59:39,413 --> 00:59:44,034 He technically has no privacy rights to that piece of trash 887 00:59:44,137 --> 00:59:45,827 he's just discarded. 888 00:59:58,827 --> 01:00:00,103 Some agents came down from Fort Carson 889 01:00:00,206 --> 01:00:02,620 after, uh, Agent Veltri called them. 890 01:00:02,724 --> 01:00:05,172 Jim and I transferred the evidence to them. 891 01:00:05,275 --> 01:00:07,551 The scientists working the case communicated with us, 892 01:00:07,655 --> 01:00:10,172 "We're gonna work this 24x7 until it's... Until it's resolved." 893 01:00:12,068 --> 01:00:14,068 [Isham] There were some tense moments, 894 01:00:14,172 --> 01:00:16,034 some dallying, if you will. 895 01:00:16,137 --> 01:00:18,379 But again, you know, witnesses lie, 896 01:00:18,482 --> 01:00:19,724 I've even had victims lie, 897 01:00:19,827 --> 01:00:23,103 but one thing I've found in 32 years of law enforcement, 898 01:00:23,206 --> 01:00:24,137 the evidence doesn't lie. 899 01:00:27,068 --> 01:00:30,758 The results from the DNA came back in, 900 01:00:30,862 --> 01:00:33,379 I honestly want to say two-and-a-half to three weeks, 901 01:00:33,482 --> 01:00:35,689 which is, kind of, unheard of in DNA cases. 902 01:00:39,517 --> 01:00:42,379 That it was a confirmed match to unknown person number one. 903 01:00:49,137 --> 01:00:50,517 My, my, my. 904 01:00:52,241 --> 01:00:54,931 It is him without question. 905 01:00:55,034 --> 01:00:59,068 He is the only guy who deposited his DNA 906 01:00:59,172 --> 01:01:02,379 on and inside the victim in this case. 907 01:01:12,241 --> 01:01:14,551 We were now in a position, after only 32 years, 908 01:01:16,827 --> 01:01:22,344 to arrest Michael David Whyte for the murder and rape of Darlene Krashoc. 909 01:01:24,241 --> 01:01:27,689 It's time to go to jail, Michael. 910 01:01:36,241 --> 01:01:39,758 [Isham] I remember, it was June 13th, 2019. 911 01:01:39,862 --> 01:01:43,448 One of those days, it's kind of hard to forget as a law enforcement officer, 912 01:01:43,551 --> 01:01:45,620 made numerous arrests in my career, 913 01:01:45,724 --> 01:01:48,344 this one, kind of, rises to the top. 914 01:01:51,275 --> 01:01:53,241 I called Agent Veltri and said, 915 01:01:53,344 --> 01:01:54,896 "The warrant's been issued for Michael Whyte's arrest." 916 01:01:56,551 --> 01:01:58,655 I wanted to give them the opportunity to be there, 917 01:01:58,758 --> 01:02:00,310 because without them, we couldn't have had that result. 918 01:02:01,517 --> 01:02:03,862 It was insane. We hadn't eaten, we hadn't slept. 919 01:02:03,965 --> 01:02:05,034 And then, next thing you know, 920 01:02:05,137 --> 01:02:06,241 we're in the car, and we're heading to Denver. 921 01:02:08,758 --> 01:02:10,551 We met at a park in Thornton, Colorado, 922 01:02:11,310 --> 01:02:14,206 and a plan was devised. 923 01:02:14,310 --> 01:02:17,206 The fugitive units and myself were to make contact 924 01:02:17,310 --> 01:02:18,758 with Mr. Whyte at his residence. 925 01:02:20,310 --> 01:02:22,551 We knew that there was at least one other adult living in the house, 926 01:02:22,655 --> 01:02:25,275 identified as his spouse, and we didn't want to put anyone at risk. 927 01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,793 You know, this guy is a trained soldier. 928 01:02:28,896 --> 01:02:30,586 You know, someone is not a threat 929 01:02:30,689 --> 01:02:32,137 until they're faced with being arrested 930 01:02:32,241 --> 01:02:34,103 for a crime the committed 30 years earlier. 931 01:02:48,620 --> 01:02:51,689 [Isham] It was a matter of knocking on the door, asking for Mr. Whyte. 932 01:02:51,793 --> 01:02:53,758 After he identified himself, 933 01:02:53,862 --> 01:02:56,827 our fugitive team told him that we did have arrest warrants 934 01:02:56,931 --> 01:02:58,724 from the Colorado Springs Police Department. 935 01:02:59,655 --> 01:03:01,172 It was, kind of, a textbook arrest. 936 01:03:07,310 --> 01:03:09,103 There was no fighting, no screaming. 937 01:03:11,413 --> 01:03:13,379 He said, "Okay," while he was transported in. 938 01:03:18,379 --> 01:03:22,137 [Veltri] After the arrest, I went in with Detective Jim Isham 939 01:03:22,241 --> 01:03:24,689 to speak to Michael Whyte's wife. 940 01:03:26,724 --> 01:03:30,068 [Isham] His current wife was just taken off guard. 941 01:03:30,172 --> 01:03:33,517 She said Mr. Whyte had never laid a finger on her. 942 01:03:33,620 --> 01:03:34,551 There was no violence. 943 01:03:35,724 --> 01:03:38,482 [Veltri] She was truly shocked. 944 01:03:38,586 --> 01:03:41,655 She described Michael Whyte as her hero. 945 01:03:41,758 --> 01:03:45,793 She told us that she had stage four esophageal cancer. 946 01:03:47,724 --> 01:03:49,551 And that he was her lifeline. 947 01:03:49,655 --> 01:03:51,206 He was everything to her. 948 01:03:51,310 --> 01:03:54,448 And so that was sad. That was really sad to hear. 949 01:03:56,413 --> 01:04:00,275 And also, just confusing. 950 01:04:01,413 --> 01:04:03,068 'Cause this is also the same person 951 01:04:03,172 --> 01:04:07,241 who brutally murdered Darlene Krashoc 32 years ago. 952 01:04:09,724 --> 01:04:11,655 [Kenda] A killer looks like everybody else. 953 01:04:11,758 --> 01:04:12,896 What does he look like? 954 01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,655 Like the guy behind you at the grocery store. 955 01:04:15,758 --> 01:04:18,517 There is no profile, there is no appearance. 956 01:04:19,275 --> 01:04:20,241 There is none of that. 957 01:04:30,482 --> 01:04:32,103 [Isham] We went to the police station 958 01:04:32,206 --> 01:04:33,758 to get ready for the interview. 959 01:04:48,551 --> 01:04:51,793 [Veltri] I observed the interview from another room. 960 01:04:51,896 --> 01:04:54,931 And that was, like, the first time I really laid eyes on him. 961 01:04:57,793 --> 01:04:59,172 We knew that, uh, you know, this is someone 962 01:04:59,275 --> 01:05:02,068 who might want to try to tell his side of the story. 963 01:05:02,172 --> 01:05:03,724 Might try to explain it away. 964 01:05:03,827 --> 01:05:04,896 Person that committed this crime 965 01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:06,551 didn't make it through life, 966 01:05:06,655 --> 01:05:09,000 uh, just settling for whatever got handed to him. 967 01:05:12,689 --> 01:05:15,310 [Isham] He did waive his right to speak with us, 968 01:05:16,517 --> 01:05:17,758 so we started the interview. 969 01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,103 I remember him making a comment, 970 01:05:33,206 --> 01:05:35,000 "So old cases that haven't been solved?" 971 01:06:06,413 --> 01:06:09,586 This is a well-educated, upper middle class man 972 01:06:09,689 --> 01:06:12,137 who absolutely knows what he's done or what he hasn't done. 973 01:06:12,241 --> 01:06:15,068 Um, and you don't get sat in front of a couple of detectives, 974 01:06:15,172 --> 01:06:16,896 uh, without knowing exactly what you're there for. 975 01:06:42,931 --> 01:06:47,620 And I remember sliding Darlene's picture on the table. 976 01:06:47,724 --> 01:06:50,034 And after a big gulp from the water, 977 01:06:50,724 --> 01:06:52,517 he looked at it 978 01:06:52,620 --> 01:06:54,896 with a pained expression before stating that... 979 01:06:57,344 --> 01:06:59,000 [Isham] ...she looks like his ex-wife. 980 01:07:00,344 --> 01:07:02,068 And he said, "But I know it's not her." 981 01:07:02,172 --> 01:07:05,034 Once I showed the picture, it seemed like he wanted 982 01:07:05,137 --> 01:07:08,000 to disassociate himself with the table, the picture. 983 01:07:13,689 --> 01:07:16,517 Once I laid Darlene's photograph on the table, 984 01:07:16,620 --> 01:07:18,896 his demeanor, kind of, changed. 985 01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:20,965 [Whyte breathes deeply] 986 01:07:26,551 --> 01:07:28,931 [Veltri] It was definitely an eerie feeling, watching the interview. 987 01:07:29,034 --> 01:07:33,586 And I do remember, specifically, him saying... 988 01:07:38,344 --> 01:07:39,896 "I had sex with lots of women, 989 01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:41,620 but I never killed any of them." 990 01:07:46,275 --> 01:07:48,793 He denied ever seeing her. 991 01:07:54,689 --> 01:07:56,551 Or even knowing about the murder, 992 01:07:56,655 --> 01:07:59,103 which, to me, is unbelievable. 993 01:08:10,103 --> 01:08:13,344 And at that time, he opted to invoke his right to remain silent. 994 01:08:16,241 --> 01:08:19,137 And I remember standing up to leave the interview room, 995 01:08:20,068 --> 01:08:21,793 and he looked at me, and he said, 996 01:08:21,896 --> 01:08:24,034 "How do I defend myself against this?" 997 01:08:27,551 --> 01:08:29,275 I just thought to myself, 998 01:08:29,379 --> 01:08:31,862 if someone would accuse me of this heinous crime, 999 01:08:31,965 --> 01:08:33,931 and I was completely innocent, 1000 01:08:34,034 --> 01:08:37,137 I wouldn't have the attitude of sipping my water 1001 01:08:37,241 --> 01:08:39,000 asking, "How do I defend myself?" 1002 01:08:40,931 --> 01:08:45,827 Before leaving the room, the cops get impressions of Whyte's teeth. 1003 01:08:45,931 --> 01:08:49,793 However, it's 30-plus years since this murder happened. 1004 01:08:49,896 --> 01:08:53,103 Teeth impressions aren't very meaningful over that period of time. 1005 01:08:54,586 --> 01:08:56,724 [Somosky] He had a pained expression on his face. 1006 01:08:56,827 --> 01:08:58,620 You could tell that he was fighting back tears. 1007 01:08:58,724 --> 01:09:02,034 It was almost a combination of extreme anguish and disbelief. 1008 01:09:02,137 --> 01:09:06,241 To me, it was the face of someone who worked hard 1009 01:09:06,344 --> 01:09:09,241 to prevent this day from ever occurring, and here it was happening. 1010 01:09:11,517 --> 01:09:14,103 [Kenda] I'm very proud of the detectives in the Cold Case Unit, 1011 01:09:14,206 --> 01:09:16,620 Isham and Somosky. 1012 01:09:16,724 --> 01:09:17,724 They took an oath. 1013 01:09:17,827 --> 01:09:19,620 They did what they said they would do. 1014 01:09:29,413 --> 01:09:31,793 It was not until after we attempted the interview, 1015 01:09:31,896 --> 01:09:35,137 I made the call to the family. 1016 01:09:35,241 --> 01:09:36,827 You have the defendant in custody, 1017 01:09:36,931 --> 01:09:38,689 then you tell the family. 1018 01:09:38,793 --> 01:09:40,724 [line ringing] 1019 01:09:43,068 --> 01:09:46,379 And Somosky was privileged to make it. 1020 01:09:46,482 --> 01:09:48,965 Something you don't often get to do. 1021 01:09:49,068 --> 01:09:51,413 [phone ringing] 1022 01:09:56,758 --> 01:09:58,379 [Paul] I answered the phone. 1023 01:09:58,482 --> 01:10:00,793 He said, "Paul?" And I said, "Yes." 1024 01:10:01,586 --> 01:10:05,517 And he said, uh, "Jo Somosky." 1025 01:10:05,620 --> 01:10:08,655 And it was like, "Well, hello, detective. How are you doing?" 1026 01:10:08,758 --> 01:10:11,551 He said, "I'm doing extremely well." 1027 01:10:11,655 --> 01:10:13,793 So, I asked him to please go to where his wife was. 1028 01:10:13,896 --> 01:10:16,448 He said, "Would you get her next to you? 1029 01:10:16,551 --> 01:10:18,862 I've got something I want to tell you. 1030 01:10:18,965 --> 01:10:21,379 And I want you both to hear it at the same time." 1031 01:10:23,137 --> 01:10:26,724 Paul said, "Come here. You've got to hear this." 1032 01:10:26,827 --> 01:10:30,344 He said, "I waited 32 years to tell you this." 1033 01:10:30,448 --> 01:10:31,827 And I told them, 1034 01:10:31,931 --> 01:10:34,310 "The Army CID and Colorado Springs Police Department 1035 01:10:34,413 --> 01:10:36,689 have made an arrest for the homicide 1036 01:10:36,793 --> 01:10:38,517 of their daughter, Darlene Krashoc." 1037 01:10:41,793 --> 01:10:45,586 And that's when we heard they've made an arrest. 1038 01:10:46,517 --> 01:10:48,551 They got him. 1039 01:10:48,655 --> 01:10:51,275 And I know all they could hear was me screaming. 1040 01:10:52,758 --> 01:10:54,379 That was the best day of my life. 1041 01:10:55,586 --> 01:10:57,241 They got that sucker. 1042 01:11:11,034 --> 01:11:13,448 [cell phone ringing] 1043 01:11:17,793 --> 01:11:19,586 I found out. 1044 01:11:19,689 --> 01:11:21,586 I was asleep on the couch. 1045 01:11:21,689 --> 01:11:23,586 My wife came, she woke me up, 1046 01:11:23,689 --> 01:11:27,206 I'm like, "What's going on? Why you waking me up?" 1047 01:11:27,310 --> 01:11:29,275 And she says, "They found him! They found him!" 1048 01:11:29,379 --> 01:11:31,172 I said, "Who? Who did they find?" 1049 01:11:31,275 --> 01:11:32,310 And she holds up the telephone. 1050 01:11:33,172 --> 01:11:34,758 My eyes focus on him. Oh, my God. 1051 01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,517 That's him, with beady eyes, you know? 1052 01:11:38,620 --> 01:11:43,034 Those eyes have been burned in my head for, for 32 years. 1053 01:11:43,137 --> 01:11:45,448 I thought to myself, "You son of a bitch. 1054 01:11:45,551 --> 01:11:49,275 You've been sitting there all these years, and you're right there." 1055 01:11:54,344 --> 01:11:58,758 Mr. Whyte comes across as intelligent, calm, even arrogant. 1056 01:11:59,275 --> 01:12:00,758 Understands DNA. 1057 01:12:00,862 --> 01:12:02,275 Maintains, "You got the wrong guy. 1058 01:12:02,379 --> 01:12:04,310 You made a terrible mistake." 1059 01:12:04,413 --> 01:12:05,931 He wants to go to trial. 1060 01:12:07,413 --> 01:12:09,413 Let's do it. Let's go to trial. 1061 01:12:11,758 --> 01:12:15,000 [Ben Hostetter] I'm talking with the defense attorney, 1062 01:12:15,103 --> 01:12:17,172 he told me, "Michael White will consider no offers. 1063 01:12:17,275 --> 01:12:18,965 He doesn't... He doesn't want a deal." 1064 01:12:19,068 --> 01:12:20,310 And I asked him, "Why?" 1065 01:12:20,413 --> 01:12:22,206 He said, "Well, frankly, you're not getting the evidence in." 1066 01:12:24,172 --> 01:12:27,275 Our biggest challenge in trial, without a doubt, 1067 01:12:27,379 --> 01:12:31,000 was making sure that our evidence was going to be admitted. 1068 01:12:31,103 --> 01:12:33,275 [Hostetter] Charlie Green, who was the evidence tech at the time, 1069 01:12:33,379 --> 01:12:35,103 was no longer alive. 1070 01:12:35,206 --> 01:12:37,896 The coroner himself was no longer alive. 1071 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:39,758 We'd lost several other detectives. 1072 01:12:39,862 --> 01:12:42,689 We have to find a different way 1073 01:12:42,793 --> 01:12:45,517 to have that evidence admitted at trial. 1074 01:12:45,620 --> 01:12:49,517 So, we had lead detectives who were present on scene. 1075 01:12:52,137 --> 01:12:54,517 [Kenda] When I got a phone call from the District Attorney's office, 1076 01:12:54,620 --> 01:12:57,758 I was filming episodes of American Detective at the time. 1077 01:12:57,862 --> 01:13:00,827 And I told my producer, I said, "Well, that's pretty interesting. 1078 01:13:00,931 --> 01:13:03,034 We're here talking about somebody's else's case." 1079 01:13:03,137 --> 01:13:04,482 My mind just rolled up. 1080 01:13:04,586 --> 01:13:05,793 I'm going back to court. 1081 01:13:07,344 --> 01:13:12,103 And when I testified in the trial for Michael David Whyte in June 2021... 1082 01:13:13,965 --> 01:13:16,896 I looked at him as I walked by the defendant's table. 1083 01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,586 And I thought, "I've been looking for you for a long time. 1084 01:13:22,896 --> 01:13:24,655 And here you are." 1085 01:13:32,413 --> 01:13:34,068 [gavel pounding] 1086 01:13:37,310 --> 01:13:38,758 [Kenda] When I walked into that courtroom, 1087 01:13:38,862 --> 01:13:40,758 because of my current notoriety, 1088 01:13:40,862 --> 01:13:42,379 you could hear a pin drop. 1089 01:13:48,206 --> 01:13:50,551 Every head in the jury box is looking at me. 1090 01:13:51,724 --> 01:13:54,275 Every head in the gallery is looking at me. 1091 01:13:55,620 --> 01:13:57,758 The only one not looking at me was Michael Whyte. 1092 01:13:58,896 --> 01:14:01,172 He was looking straight ahead. 1093 01:14:01,275 --> 01:14:04,206 My nerves, really, rested with the victim's family. 1094 01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:06,965 Paul and Betty had been struggling 1095 01:14:07,068 --> 01:14:10,551 with unanswered questions, uh, for 30-plus years. 1096 01:14:10,655 --> 01:14:14,724 I think there was some concern there what was gonna happen 1097 01:14:14,827 --> 01:14:16,517 when I first laid eyes on him. 1098 01:14:17,620 --> 01:14:19,931 And we did lock eyes. 1099 01:14:20,034 --> 01:14:24,517 And he knew exactly who we were. 1100 01:14:27,448 --> 01:14:29,931 Hmm. [exhales deeply] 1101 01:14:32,137 --> 01:14:33,413 Really... 1102 01:14:34,724 --> 01:14:36,758 Nothing. I don't feel anything for him. 1103 01:14:37,793 --> 01:14:38,620 I don't. 1104 01:14:40,034 --> 01:14:42,310 Oh, yeah. Oh, yes, indeed. 1105 01:14:43,172 --> 01:14:44,689 Yes, I did. 1106 01:14:47,310 --> 01:14:49,482 Mmm. I don't wanna say. 1107 01:14:53,310 --> 01:14:55,448 [Kenda] I went and took the stand and explained, 1108 01:14:55,551 --> 01:14:56,931 at the time this crime occurred, 1109 01:14:57,034 --> 01:14:59,482 I was a sergeant and supervisor in Homicide. 1110 01:15:00,379 --> 01:15:02,448 [Eden] Joe's primary role in all of this 1111 01:15:02,551 --> 01:15:05,482 was to help paint the jury a picture 1112 01:15:05,586 --> 01:15:08,206 of what detective work looked like back at the time. 1113 01:15:09,448 --> 01:15:12,965 Joe testified that DNA was in its infancy, 1114 01:15:13,068 --> 01:15:14,551 and they didn't know exactly what it was. 1115 01:15:14,655 --> 01:15:19,034 They just knew that there was a chance that this futuristic technology 1116 01:15:19,137 --> 01:15:21,758 might one day exist, and they wanted to be careful 1117 01:15:21,862 --> 01:15:24,551 in the event that they would be able to use that information. 1118 01:15:26,068 --> 01:15:30,000 We then proceeded to discuss the tagging and marking of evidence. 1119 01:15:36,172 --> 01:15:39,620 How and where it was recovered, and by whom. 1120 01:15:39,724 --> 01:15:44,000 And by what method was it marked and eventually restored. 1121 01:15:44,103 --> 01:15:46,413 He was able to illustrate for the jury 1122 01:15:46,517 --> 01:15:49,655 the level of care Charlie Green was notorious for. 1123 01:15:54,413 --> 01:15:56,137 Charlie Green wasn't somebody 1124 01:15:56,241 --> 01:15:58,827 who was known for making mistakes or cutting corners. 1125 01:15:58,931 --> 01:16:00,655 I had no difficulty testifying to this, 1126 01:16:00,758 --> 01:16:03,034 because I was confident we had done the right thing, 1127 01:16:03,137 --> 01:16:04,620 because we always do the right thing. 1128 01:16:07,620 --> 01:16:09,827 And following that testimony, I was excused. 1129 01:16:12,172 --> 01:16:14,137 [Eden] And we got some pushback from the judge. 1130 01:16:15,103 --> 01:16:18,241 I think Ben and I lost years of our lives 1131 01:16:18,344 --> 01:16:21,310 wondering what that ruling was going to be. 1132 01:16:21,413 --> 01:16:22,862 There was a lot of stress 1133 01:16:22,965 --> 01:16:24,655 going into that bench conference. 1134 01:16:27,137 --> 01:16:30,551 While the judge was considering that, it was eerie quiet. 1135 01:16:34,758 --> 01:16:37,344 If the judge had ruled that those items of evidence 1136 01:16:37,448 --> 01:16:38,965 would have been excluded from the trial, 1137 01:16:39,068 --> 01:16:40,448 that would have been the end of the trial. 1138 01:16:43,034 --> 01:16:45,068 And when he admitted that first item of evidence, 1139 01:16:45,172 --> 01:16:47,551 I took my first relaxed breath. 1140 01:16:52,448 --> 01:16:56,379 I think we were pretty certain that Michael Whyte would take the stand, 1141 01:16:56,482 --> 01:16:59,310 just because there's an arrogance about him. 1142 01:16:59,413 --> 01:17:02,275 And when he took the stand, he was adamant 1143 01:17:02,379 --> 01:17:04,655 that he didn't remember Darlene Krashoc. 1144 01:17:04,758 --> 01:17:09,448 I found that hard to believe because this case was all over the media in 1987. 1145 01:17:09,551 --> 01:17:11,103 He testified on the stand, 1146 01:17:11,206 --> 01:17:13,793 "I did not kill Darlene Krashoc." 1147 01:17:13,896 --> 01:17:16,275 He didn't know anything about it. And I thought, 1148 01:17:16,379 --> 01:17:19,758 "Really? Fort Carson, and you didn't hear? 1149 01:17:19,862 --> 01:17:21,103 Mmm. No." 1150 01:17:21,206 --> 01:17:23,827 Michael Whyte's statement to his attorney, essentially, was, 1151 01:17:23,931 --> 01:17:26,482 that it's possible he could have come in contact with her, 1152 01:17:26,586 --> 01:17:28,551 and that he would have sexual encounters 1153 01:17:28,655 --> 01:17:30,137 sometimes in the bathroom of the bar, 1154 01:17:30,241 --> 01:17:31,448 sometimes in his car. 1155 01:17:31,551 --> 01:17:36,103 Their theory was that this DNA had all gotten on Darlene 1156 01:17:36,206 --> 01:17:37,275 through transferred DNA. 1157 01:17:39,724 --> 01:17:42,586 But that evidence came in the form of the clothes hanger 1158 01:17:42,689 --> 01:17:44,379 that was wrapped around her neck and mouth, 1159 01:17:44,482 --> 01:17:45,965 and fashioned like a horse bridle. 1160 01:17:46,068 --> 01:17:48,655 The secret buds, obviously, that were found at the scene of the crime. 1161 01:17:48,758 --> 01:17:50,379 Certainly, there's no good answer 1162 01:17:50,482 --> 01:17:52,379 for Michael Whyte on the cigarette butts. 1163 01:17:52,482 --> 01:17:55,758 The defense tried to argue that this was transfer DNA. 1164 01:17:55,862 --> 01:17:59,034 That theory is debunked when you combine that 1165 01:17:59,137 --> 01:18:00,275 with the three cigarette buds 1166 01:18:00,379 --> 01:18:02,551 that are found next to her body. 1167 01:18:02,655 --> 01:18:07,482 Because the person who randomly decided to rape and kill her, 1168 01:18:07,586 --> 01:18:10,344 without leaving any of their own DNA, 1169 01:18:10,448 --> 01:18:12,103 wouldn't have had Michael Whyte's 1170 01:18:12,206 --> 01:18:14,034 three cigarette buds from that night. 1171 01:18:14,137 --> 01:18:17,517 In 1987, nobody knew what the hell DNA was. 1172 01:18:17,620 --> 01:18:20,517 So there was no way that they could make that argument 1173 01:18:20,620 --> 01:18:22,068 that somebody was trying to frame him 1174 01:18:22,172 --> 01:18:25,310 by placing his cigarette buds at the scene of the crime, 1175 01:18:25,413 --> 01:18:30,137 because they would have had no way of knowing that DNA was even a technology 1176 01:18:30,241 --> 01:18:32,965 that the police could have investigated at that time. 1177 01:18:34,724 --> 01:18:38,310 In a case like this, obviously, one of our biggest hurdles 1178 01:18:38,413 --> 01:18:41,793 is that we don't know exactly how this all went down. 1179 01:18:41,896 --> 01:18:44,275 Because this investigation has been completed, 1180 01:18:44,379 --> 01:18:45,931 we are now in a position to say 1181 01:18:48,103 --> 01:18:53,551 on the 17th of March, 1987, St. Patrick's Day, 1182 01:18:53,655 --> 01:18:59,068 Darlene decides, "I'm going out tonight to Shuffles with two friends." 1183 01:19:04,206 --> 01:19:06,586 We can say, with some degree of certainty... 1184 01:19:16,137 --> 01:19:19,344 that when Mr. Whyte sees her, he dances with her. 1185 01:19:23,344 --> 01:19:26,310 Lord is a guy that remembers things. 1186 01:19:26,413 --> 01:19:29,896 And he sees the picture of Michael Whyte, and he identifies him. 1187 01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,241 "That's the guy with the beady eyes." Instantly. 1188 01:19:33,482 --> 01:19:36,931 I'm sure. 100%. That's him. 1189 01:19:37,034 --> 01:19:40,862 Later, she doesn't have two men with her, she's alone. 1190 01:19:40,965 --> 01:19:43,275 He either convinced her he would give her a ride, 1191 01:19:43,379 --> 01:19:45,206 or asked her for another drink. 1192 01:19:45,310 --> 01:19:46,620 Who knows? We don't know. 1193 01:19:49,137 --> 01:19:51,758 But she probably willingly went with him. 1194 01:19:51,862 --> 01:19:55,310 And then, somewhere along that line, something went very wrong. 1195 01:19:58,034 --> 01:20:00,000 Michael Whyte said during interrogation, 1196 01:20:00,103 --> 01:20:02,103 "She looks just like my ex-wife." 1197 01:20:03,931 --> 01:20:06,551 Was that his attraction to her? 1198 01:20:06,655 --> 01:20:10,482 Was that the foundation of his rage towards her? 1199 01:20:11,965 --> 01:20:14,517 You can say that, you can't prove it. 1200 01:20:15,310 --> 01:20:17,068 But it does make you wonder. 1201 01:20:25,517 --> 01:20:28,448 We don't know the crime scene, location. 1202 01:20:28,551 --> 01:20:30,482 But Mr. Whyte loses control. 1203 01:20:35,206 --> 01:20:37,241 Does terrible things to her body. 1204 01:20:40,034 --> 01:20:43,758 A bridle around her mouth from twisted coat hangers. 1205 01:20:43,862 --> 01:20:47,517 Applies enough pressure to kill her from asphyxia. 1206 01:20:52,965 --> 01:20:56,551 He then dumps her body next to a dumpster. 1207 01:20:56,655 --> 01:20:59,241 One of the things that's surprising about that crime scene, 1208 01:20:59,344 --> 01:21:02,413 three cigarettes consumed, down to the filters, 1209 01:21:05,103 --> 01:21:07,172 all three contain his DNA. 1210 01:21:08,931 --> 01:21:11,344 It takes a few minutes to smoke a cigarette, 1211 01:21:11,448 --> 01:21:13,034 but he smoked three of them. 1212 01:21:14,379 --> 01:21:16,103 What was he doing? 1213 01:21:16,206 --> 01:21:17,310 Admiring his work? 1214 01:21:21,413 --> 01:21:23,103 Calming down? 1215 01:21:23,206 --> 01:21:24,758 Try to stop his panic? 1216 01:21:38,586 --> 01:21:41,068 At the very moment that he was having those thoughts 1217 01:21:41,172 --> 01:21:43,034 that no one's ever going to know, 1218 01:21:45,551 --> 01:21:51,137 there was a British research doctor at work on a DNA analysis tool 1219 01:21:51,241 --> 01:21:55,758 that would allow people to identify Michael David Whyte 1220 01:21:57,344 --> 01:21:59,586 over 30 years later. 1221 01:22:03,793 --> 01:22:06,379 Nobody expected a quick verdict. 1222 01:22:08,965 --> 01:22:11,827 [Eden] In this case, they deliberated for about three hours. 1223 01:22:12,862 --> 01:22:15,965 [Paul] And the judge brought the jury in. 1224 01:22:16,068 --> 01:22:18,000 "Have you reached a verdict?" 1225 01:22:19,206 --> 01:22:22,689 She said, "On the first count of first-degree murder, 1226 01:22:22,793 --> 01:22:24,413 with deliberation... 1227 01:22:27,620 --> 01:22:30,206 [voice breaking] we, the jury, find him guilty." 1228 01:22:32,724 --> 01:22:34,137 Guilty. 1229 01:22:34,241 --> 01:22:36,034 And that's all we needed to hear. 1230 01:22:36,931 --> 01:22:38,068 Guilty. 1231 01:22:39,793 --> 01:22:42,620 It was like the world lifted off of our shoulders. 1232 01:22:42,724 --> 01:22:44,103 A flood of emotions. 1233 01:22:45,310 --> 01:22:47,275 Guilty, guilty, guilty. 1234 01:22:50,482 --> 01:22:54,241 Michael Whyte was sentenced to life with the possibility of parole. 1235 01:22:54,344 --> 01:22:57,068 But given Michael Whyte's age, 1236 01:22:57,172 --> 01:23:00,896 I don't think he's going to be able to make it to his parole. 1237 01:23:03,137 --> 01:23:05,758 Three decades later, an arrest was made, 1238 01:23:05,862 --> 01:23:09,206 and a jury convicted Michael Whyte of first-degree murder. 1239 01:23:09,310 --> 01:23:12,551 Her parents say, "Justice has been served." 1240 01:23:12,655 --> 01:23:15,448 [Kenda] The crime he committed was one of enormous violence, 1241 01:23:15,551 --> 01:23:17,137 savage behavior. 1242 01:23:17,241 --> 01:23:19,655 Worst I've ever seen in a sex crime. 1243 01:23:19,758 --> 01:23:21,931 And now, Mr. Whyte is gonna pay for that, 1244 01:23:22,034 --> 01:23:26,379 and he will die in a 6x9 concrete room, 1245 01:23:26,482 --> 01:23:28,172 where he belongs. 1246 01:23:32,172 --> 01:23:33,310 Um... 1247 01:23:34,482 --> 01:23:36,448 commitment to Darlene. 1248 01:23:36,551 --> 01:23:38,379 [chuckles] Can't undo that. 1249 01:23:39,344 --> 01:23:41,655 But you gotta do what you can. 1250 01:23:46,620 --> 01:23:48,517 I love you, baby girl. 1251 01:23:49,724 --> 01:23:52,000 I always called her my baby girl. 1252 01:23:54,206 --> 01:23:56,620 And she knows. 1253 01:24:04,172 --> 01:24:06,965 Mr. Whyte didn't realize something that's quite significant. 1254 01:24:11,310 --> 01:24:14,000 He believed that that moment in his life passed by... 1255 01:24:18,551 --> 01:24:20,034 and he survived it. 1256 01:24:20,896 --> 01:24:22,275 He got away with it. 1257 01:24:24,482 --> 01:24:27,413 But there were always footsteps behind him. 1258 01:24:32,931 --> 01:24:34,275 Always. 101742

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