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[tense music]
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♪ ♪
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- St. Marys, georgia, is
located on the st. Marys river.
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- It's very coastal, and it centers
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On fishing and shrimp boats.
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It's just
a beautiful little town.
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[dramatic music]
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[radio chatter]
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- But there's crime
in st. Marys
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Like there's crime in any town.
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- Camden county 911. Where is your emergency?
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- All I could see was this
blazing inferno in the river.
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♪ ♪
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My stomach just
sunk to the floor.
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- Somebody possibly
poured gasoline on that boat.
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- Several pieces
of human skeletal remains
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Were recovered.
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- We don't know, is it one body?
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Is it two bodies?
Is it twelve?
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♪ ♪
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- The whole boating community
was in shock.
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- He'd just turn into an evil,
evil, hateful person.
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- He did pull out a pistol
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And raised and pointed that
said pistol at law enforcement.
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- I can just feel my heart beat.
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Something's about to happen.
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[gunshots]
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[seabirds squalling]
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[tense twangy music]
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♪ ♪
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- The 130-mile st. Marys river is a blackwater river,
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Which is a slow-moving channel
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Flowing through forested swamps and wetlands.
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Located in southeast georgia,
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It serves as the border
between georgia and florida,
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And the surrounding areas have both southern charm
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And easy coastal living.
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In 2012, however,
the small, quaint town
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Was shocked by a series
of tragic events.
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♪ ♪
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[phone line trills]
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- Around 3:00 in the morning,
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The st. Marys police department
dispatch received a 911 call.
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There was believed to be
some screaming
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Heard over that line.
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[muffled screaming continues]
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- It's really haunting.
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It begins with some moaning,
and then there's
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Some indistinguishable
kind of sounds.
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[indistinct moaning]
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- And then that's--that's it.
It's over.
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There's no more sound
after that.
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- I was
the on-call investigator.
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[siren wails]
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The only information known was that the phone number
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That was related to an address in the city of st. Marys
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At a boatyard
off of new point peter road.
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And I was driving there to where the marina is.
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I was just thinking, is there somebody
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Hurt somewhere
that we need to get to?
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And as I come to the middle of the causeway,
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All I could see was this
blazing inferno in the river.
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[dramatic music]
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♪ ♪
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And, like, my stomach just
sunk to the floor.
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Because your first interest
is preserving life.
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[radio chatter]
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The fire department's on scene.
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We can't even get near it because of the heat
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Emanating off of this vessel
anchored out in the water.
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You can even feel the heat
just standing on the shoreline.
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You can't even get close
without risking
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Getting hurt yourself.
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And so all you can do is just
let the fire burn down.
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And then once it gets
small enough,
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You can start pulling it in.
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But at that point, if there's a person on that boat,
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They're not a person anymore.
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- A fire caused by flammable liquids,
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Such as gasoline, oil,
or grease,
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Cannot be extinguished
with water.
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In fact, water can
spread the liquids,
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Making a fire much, much worse.
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Without knowledge of how the blaze started,
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Firefighters absolutely have no choice
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But to wait for the flames
on the trawler to burn out.
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- My brain's already in overdrive.
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And I'm just trying
to wrap my head around,
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Okay, is this
an accidental fire?
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Is this an intentional fire?
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It was still really dark outside.
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An agent from dnr,
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The department
of natural resources,
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Showed up with a boat.
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He let me and one of the officers get onto his boat,
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And he took us as close
to the boat that was on fire
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As he could.
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I was able to get my camera lens in close enough
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That I was able to capture the "premium time" name
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On this great harbour trawler
boat that was burning.
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- The "premium time" is
a great harbour 37-foot
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Liveaboard
full displacement trawler.
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While historically trawlers were known as fishing vessels,
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Today many, like the "premium time,"
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Are designed as houseboats
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With comfortable living and entertaining spaces
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And are outfitted for long-range cruising.
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If someone was living
on this vessel,
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It's essentially like
a house fire on the water,
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And there's the possibility
of multiple victims on board.
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- The investigators called the office
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Of great harbour trawlers,
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Because that was
the manufacturer,
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To find out who was in possession of the boat.
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That was the starting point
for that investigation.
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- Just like the vin on a car,
every boat has
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What's called a hin,
or hull identification number.
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This number is assigned to
the vessel's registered owner.
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- Our investigators started giving me information
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About "premium time" and
confirming the owner for me,
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Which was karen barnes.
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- Police are trying to reach karen,
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Because if she's on that boat,
this is a nightmare.
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But they couldn't get in contact with her.
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- This took several hours,
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And the boat's just becoming nothing
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As it's--as time passes.
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[tense music]
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♪ ♪
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People started waking up,
those who lived in the marina.
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There's buzzing going around,
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And there's people saying,
oh, I know karen.
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But nobody had seen karen.
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Nobody had heard from her since the previous day.
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And then some of the residents that were in the area
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Who woke up
from all of the commotion,
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They're like,
well, this guy named larry ford
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Was living on the boat next to hers.
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Larry's a good friend
of karen's.
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Larry would often go visit karen.
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So while we were out there
on the water in dnr's boat,
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He took us over to larry's vessel in the spirit
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Of a wellness check
to make sure, is larry okay?
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And could she have been on his boat that night?
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[knocking on door]
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So we boarded larry's boat, and we're knocking,
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"karen! Larry!"
and you know,
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Hoping somebody would
open the door.
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And we weren't getting
a response.
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♪ ♪
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And so I'm looking at this boat, "premium time,"
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From larry's boat.
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His boat is next to hers,
and it's still burning.
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And I'm thinking,
minute by minute,
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Second by second,
the evidence is burning,
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And there might have been
people on board.
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[radio chatter]
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Around 6:20 in the morning, the fire had diminished enough
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That fire personnel could
get closer to it,
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Cut the anchor,
and guide it towards the dock.
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The fire wasn't fully extinguished
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Until about 12:15
that afternoon,
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Quite a long time.
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I remember, we went down into the boat,
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And it's just
this charred mess.
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At that point, we could really get into the investigation
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And see what evidence is there;
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What is left for us to collect here?
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[tense music]
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♪ ♪
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- The investigation was led
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By the st. Marys
police department,
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But it also involved the
georgia bureau of investigation
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And the camden county sheriff's office.
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- When the gbi was requested to
help with this investigation,
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There was virtually nothing
left of the boat.
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In this case, you have to worry
about the challenges
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Of solving a case
that involved fire.
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And is the evidence washed into the ocean?
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And is it gone?
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- And we're just starting to sift through
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And just see what can be recovered.
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We're looking,
and my thought is,
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I hope we find nothing,
but I hope we find everything.
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And then we start finding
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Several pieces
of human skeletal remains.
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[dramatic music]
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- Was it an accidental fire
on the boat?
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We don't know, is it one body?
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Is it two bodies?
Is it twelve?
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♪ ♪
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- My gut's sinking.
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If larry's not on his boat,
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And karen's not with larry on larry's boat,
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Where are karen and larry?
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- We don't know
who it might be,
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How many people it might be.
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- You can't light these boats on fire very easily.
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There's only one way
that it could happen.
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It's accelerants.
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- This had to be intentional,
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And it had to be methodical.
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I'm literally, like, boots on the ground,
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Going through the woods
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Like a predator going after
its prey.
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♪ ♪
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[tense music]
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[radio chatter]
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- 13 hours after the "premium time" went ablaze
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On the st. Marys river,
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Investigators discover
human bone fragments
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Within the smoldering ashes.
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With karen barnes' whereabouts
still unknown,
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Authorities fear she could be
a victim of the fire.
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- We don't know
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Who it might be,
how many people it might be.
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So those pieces that were found,
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They were collected, and those remains were transported
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To the medical examiner's
office in savannah, georgia.
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[intriguing music]
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Through the autopsy, even in a fire case,
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If a body is not able
to be identified
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Through physical means,
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You can use dna examinations of bone marrow
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To possibly identify
the remains.
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♪ ♪
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Through dna testing,
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The remains were identified
as karen barnes.
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- It's very tragic, and you have to tell families.
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This is the sort
of notification
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That never gets easier.
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[somber music]
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- Once I got the call, I broke down.
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Kind of heart-wrenching.
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Lost my whole world.
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♪ ♪
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- The whole boating community was in shock,
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And our group of great harbour owners,
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We were just all like,
what could have happened?
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[tense music]
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♪ ♪
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- You want to treat everything serious like a homicide
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To begin with, but you have to also consider other factors--
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Possible murder, arson,
an accidental fire.
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So now we needed some background information
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On karen.
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[somber music]
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- Karen is my sister.
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She's the oldest,
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Then we have two brothers
in between us, and then me.
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♪ ♪
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Karen lived in myrtle beach, and then she moved down here,
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And I got her a job
as an event planner.
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She loved the beach.
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She loved to go looking for shells,
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Kayaking, swimming.
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She loved all of it.
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- I first met karen
through great harbour boats.
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We had matching boats.
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She was just warm
right off the bat.
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- Karen lived on the boat.
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Being on a boat on the water
really made her tick.
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- Karen was such a beautiful, beautiful person,
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Inside and out.
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She was just so bubbly,
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This bouncy, bubbly--
full of personality.
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She was just
a really good person.
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A great loss.
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[seabirds squalling]
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[dramatic music]
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♪ ♪
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- An investigation on the water
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Is much more complicated than investigation on land.
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On land,
everything is pretty much
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Contained right in one spot.
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On the water, the evidence can be lost in the water itself.
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It makes it
that much more difficult.
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- While we were sifting through
and trying to find
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The pieces that we needed to tell the story,
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Some shell casings
from a firearm were recovered.
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♪ ♪
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- There were shell casings, but there was
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No evidence
of a handgun on board.
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The discovery of shell casings amidst the ashes
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00:15:11,377 --> 00:15:14,745
Suggested it was more than just a fire.
289
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- Karen did have a gun
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So that she felt
she could protect herself.
291
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- Maybe the gun could have been on larry's boat.
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But where's larry?
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He's not out here looking for karen.
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He's not on the dock. He's not showing himself.
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There are
so many questions, like,
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Was larry with karen
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On the "premium time"?
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- Investigators talked
to some other
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Great harbour trawler owners
who lived at the marina.
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They said larry ford apparently is a boat guy,
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That he had been a boat technician
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For a long time in that south georgia area,
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Fixing boats and installing
equipment on boats.
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- I learned that at one point,
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"premium time" was docked in jekyll island.
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She had met larry ford
in jekyll,
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And they became friends there.
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When karen left jekyll
and came down to st. Marys,
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Larry actually moved
his boat as well.
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- Larry was just the nicest man, just real laid-back.
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He would help karen, and she would take him food.
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He just kind of was there
and would help anybody
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With whatever they need done.
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- Karen's loved ones said that larry, he was a good guy.
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But maybe something was going on in their lives
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And their relationship
that we don't know about.
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[dramatic music]
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But then I received a phone call.
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And we were able to confirm through the medical examiner
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That there were two bodies
that were recovered
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From "premium time,"
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And we still hadn't heard from larry ford.
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00:16:49,075 --> 00:16:52,876
So I'm automatically thinking, it could be larry's remains.
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♪ ♪
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- Through familial dna,
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Which essentially means
comparing the tissue samples
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That they have of the victims to family members,
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The other remains were
identified as larry ford.
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Not only did we have one body.
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Now we had two.
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So that complicates
the investigation.
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- It looked like the individuals
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Whose bodies were found inside
had been shot,
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And the boat had been torched
to cover up the crime.
335
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- Or could it have been
murder-suicide?
336
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- Was it a homicide?
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00:17:31,484 --> 00:17:33,851
A target towards karen barnes?
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♪ ♪
339
00:17:35,888 --> 00:17:38,756
Or was it a target
towards larry ford?
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♪ ♪
341
00:17:44,162 --> 00:17:50,168
[tense music]
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♪ ♪
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- Authorities learn that the human remains
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Recovered from
the "premium time" do, in fact,
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Belong to karen barnes
and her friend, larry ford.
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00:18:00,946 --> 00:18:04,415
With the fire having destroyed all of the forensic evidence
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00:18:04,483 --> 00:18:06,650
Like fingerprints and dna,
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Detectives cannot determine
if another person was involved
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Or if this was a murder-suicide.
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So the next step
in their investigation
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Is to uncover as much
as they can about the victims.
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[seabirds squalling]
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- Those who lived in the marina said that larry,
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He was a nice friend, and he could tell
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00:18:29,975 --> 00:18:32,676
That karen was concerned
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00:18:32,745 --> 00:18:35,245
About this husband that
she just had divorced from.
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♪ ♪
358
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Five months prior, in April of 2012,
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00:18:40,786 --> 00:18:43,187
Karen filed for divorce
from david trauger.
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00:18:44,690 --> 00:18:46,924
But I wasn't really sure, like, what had happened
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To deteriorate
this relationship.
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00:18:50,596 --> 00:18:52,830
I need to get some background information.
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00:18:52,899 --> 00:18:54,832
Could he be involved?
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00:18:54,900 --> 00:18:56,868
There were so many
unanswered questions,
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And I needed answers.
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00:19:01,941 --> 00:19:04,975
[soft music]
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00:19:04,977 --> 00:19:08,912
- Karen barnes and david trauger met in 2009
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While she was working
as an events coordinator
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At a restaurant in georgia.
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♪ ♪
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David trauger,
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He had an insurance company in pennsylvania.
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He was financially well-off.
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00:19:22,828 --> 00:19:25,363
David trauger, I believe,
acquired "premium time"
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In 2006.
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You have to have pretty solid financial footing
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00:19:31,937 --> 00:19:33,971
To be able to afford "premium time."
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00:19:36,175 --> 00:19:38,509
- Liveaboards can range in price quite a bit.
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00:19:38,578 --> 00:19:40,178
But for the "premium time"
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00:19:40,246 --> 00:19:43,514
That had a custom interior and the addition of a tender,
381
00:19:43,582 --> 00:19:48,286
The ticket price was $560,000.
382
00:19:48,354 --> 00:19:52,990
- I think karen saw in david a change for a new future,
383
00:19:53,058 --> 00:19:55,193
You know, the beach.
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00:19:55,261 --> 00:19:58,662
David pretty much told her, you won't have to work.
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00:19:58,731 --> 00:20:01,031
Because she pretty much
gave up everything
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00:20:01,100 --> 00:20:05,303
To marry him and move down
to jekyll island on the boat.
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00:20:05,305 --> 00:20:09,073
♪ ♪
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00:20:09,141 --> 00:20:12,476
They got married, I think, three months from meeting,
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On "premium time."
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00:20:16,749 --> 00:20:18,482
- Karen was good to david.
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00:20:18,550 --> 00:20:20,284
She took good care of david.
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00:20:20,353 --> 00:20:23,487
[indistinct chatter]
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00:20:23,556 --> 00:20:26,490
But david was an alcoholic.
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00:20:26,492 --> 00:20:29,660
Karen did say she would never
have gotten involved with him
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If she knew
he was an alcoholic.
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00:20:33,699 --> 00:20:35,499
- When david drank, he just turned
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00:20:35,501 --> 00:20:38,769
Into an evil, evil,
hateful person.
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00:20:40,305 --> 00:20:42,105
- I learned from loved ones,
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00:20:42,107 --> 00:20:44,608
They had some prior awareness
of complaints
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00:20:44,677 --> 00:20:47,578
Of domestic issues
between karen barnes
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00:20:47,646 --> 00:20:51,249
And her ex-husband,
david trauger.
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00:20:51,317 --> 00:20:54,185
That's never a positive thing.
403
00:20:54,253 --> 00:20:57,120
- At one time, karen told me
they were down in the bahamas.
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00:20:57,122 --> 00:21:01,025
He had thought somebody was flirting with her.
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00:21:01,093 --> 00:21:03,460
He threw her wedding ring
into the water.
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00:21:03,529 --> 00:21:05,062
He ended up twisting her arm,
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00:21:05,130 --> 00:21:07,931
Where she had to go
get it in a cast.
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00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,167
[tense music]
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00:21:10,235 --> 00:21:12,870
When she--you know, when
she told me about the abuse,
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00:21:12,938 --> 00:21:15,473
I really wanted her
to leave him.
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00:21:17,109 --> 00:21:20,277
But she actually stayed with him for years.
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00:21:20,345 --> 00:21:23,981
♪ ♪
413
00:21:24,049 --> 00:21:28,686
- In 2012, karen and david got
into an argument in the car.
414
00:21:30,556 --> 00:21:34,158
And he tried to run the car
off the road.
415
00:21:34,226 --> 00:21:37,094
At that point, karen came to our firm
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00:21:37,162 --> 00:21:40,030
To file a divorce
against her husband,
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00:21:40,032 --> 00:21:41,699
David trauger.
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00:21:41,767 --> 00:21:43,767
She had been in this abusive marriage
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00:21:43,836 --> 00:21:46,837
With david for several years,
and she wanted out.
420
00:21:50,042 --> 00:21:53,210
At that point,
she and david had agreed
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00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:55,979
On how to split their assets.
422
00:21:55,981 --> 00:21:58,582
They agreed that he would maintain the business,
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00:21:58,584 --> 00:22:01,885
Two houses, and other property.
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00:22:01,954 --> 00:22:04,721
Karen would receive alimony
and "premium time."
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00:22:04,790 --> 00:22:07,925
Karen loved living
aboard a boat.
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00:22:07,993 --> 00:22:11,195
And she loved the lifestyle that came with it.
427
00:22:11,263 --> 00:22:14,331
So after the divorce, karen was still living
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00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,634
On "premium time"
on jekyll island.
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00:22:20,239 --> 00:22:23,206
[tense music]
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00:22:23,208 --> 00:22:26,777
♪ ♪
431
00:22:26,846 --> 00:22:29,180
- We had received a call at the fire station
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00:22:29,248 --> 00:22:31,282
From a gentleman by the name of ken fickett,
433
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:33,350
The owner of great harbour trawlers.
434
00:22:33,418 --> 00:22:35,119
He was trying to get in touch
with law enforcement
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00:22:35,187 --> 00:22:36,387
Because he had information.
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00:22:36,455 --> 00:22:37,755
♪ ♪
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00:22:37,823 --> 00:22:40,590
He told me that he built "premium time"
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00:22:40,592 --> 00:22:43,126
Specifically for david trauger.
439
00:22:43,196 --> 00:22:45,395
Ken was giving me some background
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00:22:45,397 --> 00:22:48,065
Of the "premium time"
and helping me understand
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00:22:48,134 --> 00:22:50,033
This boat.
442
00:22:50,035 --> 00:22:53,604
- They're very, very safely built boats
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00:22:53,672 --> 00:22:57,574
With significant electrical systems.
444
00:22:57,576 --> 00:22:59,577
There's all kinds of things
that we do
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00:22:59,579 --> 00:23:01,778
In the manufacturing process
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00:23:01,847 --> 00:23:05,483
That would preclude the boat
from catching on fire.
447
00:23:06,485 --> 00:23:10,187
- According to david's, like, wants and specifications,
448
00:23:10,255 --> 00:23:13,957
Ken added this thing called
a fireboy suppressor
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00:23:14,026 --> 00:23:15,225
To the boat.
450
00:23:15,294 --> 00:23:18,528
- Fire suppression systems are automatically activated
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00:23:18,598 --> 00:23:20,964
By excessive heat or smoke
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00:23:21,033 --> 00:23:24,067
To stop engine room fires
before they spread,
453
00:23:24,136 --> 00:23:27,070
Which means
it's highly unlikely
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00:23:27,072 --> 00:23:30,341
The fire on the "premium time"
was accidental.
455
00:23:30,409 --> 00:23:33,176
- Ken thought the burn was suspicious,
456
00:23:33,246 --> 00:23:36,580
That this boat shouldn't have
burned down.
457
00:23:36,649 --> 00:23:39,482
- We refuse to put propane
on the boats
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00:23:39,484 --> 00:23:42,085
Because it's such
a fire hazard.
459
00:23:42,154 --> 00:23:46,223
And we build everything from fiberglass.
460
00:23:46,291 --> 00:23:47,858
- Fiberglass doesn't burn easily.
461
00:23:47,927 --> 00:23:49,760
You could put a blowtorch
on it,
462
00:23:49,828 --> 00:23:52,696
And it won't catch fire.
463
00:23:52,764 --> 00:23:55,466
- I said, there's only one way that it could have happened.
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00:23:55,534 --> 00:23:58,302
It's accelerants.
465
00:23:58,370 --> 00:24:00,637
- If you pour enough gasoline on it,
466
00:24:00,639 --> 00:24:03,107
You can get it to burn, and once it starts burning,
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00:24:03,175 --> 00:24:04,508
It doesn't stop.
468
00:24:04,577 --> 00:24:06,710
[dramatic music]
469
00:24:06,779 --> 00:24:10,714
- There's no way that this is just, like, an arbitrary fire.
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00:24:10,783 --> 00:24:12,850
This had to be intentional,
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00:24:12,918 --> 00:24:14,418
And it had to be methodical.
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00:24:14,486 --> 00:24:16,853
♪ ♪
473
00:24:16,855 --> 00:24:19,023
- And that's when they realized
that it had to be arson.
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00:24:21,326 --> 00:24:23,994
And then someone became
a suspect almost immediately.
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00:24:25,665 --> 00:24:27,798
- I told the detective,
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00:24:27,867 --> 00:24:31,969
David trauger was
a very tempestuous guy.
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00:24:32,037 --> 00:24:35,839
He had a temper
that was pretty dramatic.
478
00:24:35,841 --> 00:24:38,141
♪ ♪
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00:24:38,143 --> 00:24:40,411
I thought, you know, he was enough of a jerk
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00:24:40,479 --> 00:24:44,415
That depriving karen of that boat by burning it
481
00:24:44,483 --> 00:24:47,884
Would be something
that he could come up with.
482
00:24:47,953 --> 00:24:49,352
As I recall, my quote was,
483
00:24:49,354 --> 00:24:53,356
"that son of a bitch,
he burned the boat."
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00:24:53,358 --> 00:24:55,960
♪ ♪
485
00:24:56,461 --> 00:25:04,368
[tense music]
486
00:25:04,436 --> 00:25:09,072
♪ ♪
487
00:25:09,074 --> 00:25:11,575
- After authorities determine that the fire
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00:25:11,643 --> 00:25:13,944
On the "premium time"
was indeed arson,
489
00:25:14,013 --> 00:25:16,713
They suspect that
karen barnes' ex-husband,
490
00:25:16,782 --> 00:25:19,717
David trauger, may have been involved.
491
00:25:19,719 --> 00:25:21,518
[dramatic music]
492
00:25:21,587 --> 00:25:22,886
- St. Marys police department
493
00:25:22,955 --> 00:25:24,455
And the georgia bureau of investigation
494
00:25:24,523 --> 00:25:29,126
Were working in tandem
in order to find david trauger.
495
00:25:29,194 --> 00:25:31,928
- I need to find david
to find out what's going on.
496
00:25:31,930 --> 00:25:33,030
[siren wailing]
497
00:25:33,032 --> 00:25:34,498
Where is david trauger?
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00:25:34,566 --> 00:25:39,269
♪ ♪
499
00:25:39,338 --> 00:25:41,972
- It was learned that after the divorce,
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00:25:42,041 --> 00:25:44,007
There were police reports made
501
00:25:44,076 --> 00:25:47,811
Where david trauger was stalking karen barnes.
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00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,947
♪ ♪
503
00:25:51,016 --> 00:25:57,387
- In June 2012, david appeared on the boat on jekyll island.
504
00:25:57,389 --> 00:26:00,357
He tried to use his key
to get in the back door.
505
00:26:00,425 --> 00:26:03,760
Karen had changed the locks at that point.
506
00:26:03,829 --> 00:26:06,597
And so she called 911.
507
00:26:08,834 --> 00:26:10,934
[radio chatter]
508
00:26:11,003 --> 00:26:14,137
- He was greeted by a police officer,
509
00:26:14,139 --> 00:26:15,906
And he was asked
to leave the area,
510
00:26:15,975 --> 00:26:18,576
That it was karen's boat now,
511
00:26:18,644 --> 00:26:20,544
And that she didn't
want him there.
512
00:26:20,612 --> 00:26:23,013
♪ ♪
513
00:26:23,082 --> 00:26:26,583
Not long after that, he's starting to follow her,
514
00:26:26,652 --> 00:26:28,485
Starting to look for her.
515
00:26:28,487 --> 00:26:32,389
He's emailing karen obsessively.
516
00:26:32,458 --> 00:26:35,359
I think this was the turning point
517
00:26:35,427 --> 00:26:38,662
For david's life,
where this boat was--
518
00:26:38,731 --> 00:26:39,930
Was his retirement plan.
519
00:26:39,999 --> 00:26:43,033
This boat was--
was something he loved.
520
00:26:43,102 --> 00:26:47,004
And I think it sets in his mind this downward spiral,
521
00:26:47,072 --> 00:26:50,407
And he really wanted
his boat back.
522
00:26:51,944 --> 00:26:54,678
At the time larry and karen became friends
523
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,816
On jekyll island, karen had some safety concerns,
524
00:26:58,884 --> 00:27:02,385
So larry had actually got karen a gun
525
00:27:02,455 --> 00:27:04,621
For her protection.
526
00:27:04,689 --> 00:27:06,857
- Eventually, they made the decision
527
00:27:06,925 --> 00:27:11,028
To try to get away
from jekyll island marina
528
00:27:11,096 --> 00:27:14,597
Because they didn't want to be found by david.
529
00:27:14,667 --> 00:27:16,900
- Karen and larry left jekyll,
530
00:27:16,968 --> 00:27:19,470
Came down to st. Marys.
531
00:27:19,538 --> 00:27:21,972
Larry actually stayed docked near her,
532
00:27:22,041 --> 00:27:24,074
And I think it gave her
a sense of comfort,
533
00:27:24,143 --> 00:27:26,944
Having somebody there
who looked out for her.
534
00:27:27,012 --> 00:27:30,848
- They selected, you know,
the waters out front
535
00:27:30,916 --> 00:27:34,918
Of st. Marys marine services boatyard
536
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,756
Because it was a good place to hide.
537
00:27:38,824 --> 00:27:42,426
But david somehow manages to--
538
00:27:42,494 --> 00:27:44,227
To find them.
539
00:27:44,296 --> 00:27:46,463
And it could have been as simple
540
00:27:46,531 --> 00:27:49,232
As him visiting the boatyard
541
00:27:49,301 --> 00:27:54,371
And just seeing "premium time"
anchored out front.
542
00:27:54,439 --> 00:27:57,140
Nobody actually knows how he figured out
543
00:27:57,209 --> 00:27:58,976
Where they were, but he did.
544
00:28:00,345 --> 00:28:02,946
- Unfortunately, the stalking still ensued,
545
00:28:03,015 --> 00:28:05,715
And at that point,
escalated even further.
546
00:28:05,717 --> 00:28:07,517
♪ ♪
547
00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:09,252
- David knew this boat
in and out,
548
00:28:09,321 --> 00:28:11,422
So he could still maneuver
and get on the boat.
549
00:28:14,459 --> 00:28:17,160
And at one time, david had broke into the boat
550
00:28:17,229 --> 00:28:20,097
And messed with a lot of stuff
on the boat.
551
00:28:20,165 --> 00:28:21,932
Larry found that all the steering
552
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,266
Had been tampered with,
553
00:28:23,335 --> 00:28:24,902
So there was no steering
on the boat.
554
00:28:26,438 --> 00:28:29,372
- Karen was sure that david had disabled the boat
555
00:28:29,441 --> 00:28:32,109
In some manner,
because this was a boat
556
00:28:32,177 --> 00:28:34,011
In pristine condition.
557
00:28:36,048 --> 00:28:38,381
Also, through the investigation I learned
558
00:28:38,383 --> 00:28:41,418
That there was an incident
at a grocery store.
559
00:28:43,622 --> 00:28:47,124
And it turns out that she had spotted david in the store,
560
00:28:47,192 --> 00:28:49,492
And he had been stalking her.
561
00:28:49,494 --> 00:28:52,395
♪ ♪
562
00:28:52,397 --> 00:28:54,264
- Because karen didn't
feel safe, she filed
563
00:28:54,333 --> 00:28:57,167
A petition for family violence
and stalking order.
564
00:28:57,236 --> 00:29:00,537
She was asking the court for an order
565
00:29:00,605 --> 00:29:02,205
To keep david away.
566
00:29:02,274 --> 00:29:04,307
We identified a few places
567
00:29:04,376 --> 00:29:06,777
Where we thought david was staying,
568
00:29:06,845 --> 00:29:09,112
But the sheriff never
found him,
569
00:29:09,181 --> 00:29:12,349
So david was never served
with a petition.
570
00:29:12,417 --> 00:29:15,718
[insects chirring]
571
00:29:15,788 --> 00:29:17,855
- Karen had actually been
coming and staying with me
572
00:29:17,857 --> 00:29:20,491
So she could feel safe.
573
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:26,529
But she actually left my house
the 12th, that evening,
574
00:29:26,531 --> 00:29:29,299
Because she had to go get bags of her clothes.
575
00:29:29,368 --> 00:29:31,768
And I just knew-- just had a feeling
576
00:29:31,836 --> 00:29:33,836
Something was gonna happen.
577
00:29:33,838 --> 00:29:36,773
And I was begging her, please stay with me.
578
00:29:36,841 --> 00:29:39,843
We gave, like, the longest, biggest hug.
579
00:29:39,912 --> 00:29:44,181
And...Then she left.
580
00:29:50,956 --> 00:29:54,657
[dramatic music]
581
00:29:54,659 --> 00:29:57,895
- David trauger quickly became a suspect
582
00:29:57,897 --> 00:30:00,463
Due to the stalking reports
583
00:30:00,465 --> 00:30:03,634
And the contentious nature
of their relationship.
584
00:30:03,702 --> 00:30:06,336
♪ ♪
585
00:30:06,338 --> 00:30:09,640
- And so now we feel confident,
david's our guy.
586
00:30:09,708 --> 00:30:12,375
This was arson and murder.
587
00:30:12,377 --> 00:30:15,078
As far as we know, he's armed, unstable.
588
00:30:15,147 --> 00:30:16,646
Is he gonna kill somebody else?
589
00:30:16,648 --> 00:30:18,682
We really need to make the citizens aware.
590
00:30:18,750 --> 00:30:21,685
We have what we believe is a threat to our community.
591
00:30:21,753 --> 00:30:23,086
We need to stop david trauger.
592
00:30:23,154 --> 00:30:27,457
♪ ♪
593
00:30:30,628 --> 00:30:33,496
[tense music]
594
00:30:33,565 --> 00:30:35,098
♪ ♪
595
00:30:35,167 --> 00:30:38,067
- David trauger, the prime suspect in the shooting deaths
596
00:30:38,137 --> 00:30:40,403
Of karen barnes and larry ford,
597
00:30:40,405 --> 00:30:42,906
Is considered armed and extremely dangerous.
598
00:30:42,974 --> 00:30:46,142
So authorities form a special task force
599
00:30:46,211 --> 00:30:49,379
In hopes of catching him
before anyone else gets hurt.
600
00:30:49,448 --> 00:30:52,649
♪ ♪
601
00:30:52,717 --> 00:30:54,517
- Once david trauger has been identified
602
00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:56,152
As the prime suspect,
he's in the media.
603
00:30:56,221 --> 00:30:57,888
He's been pictured.
604
00:30:59,924 --> 00:31:02,559
And almost everyone in the local area knows
605
00:31:02,627 --> 00:31:06,797
What the guy looks like
and why he's wanted.
606
00:31:06,865 --> 00:31:11,000
- This was a case that we needed that teamwork approach.
607
00:31:11,070 --> 00:31:12,402
We had, at the time,
608
00:31:12,471 --> 00:31:14,304
The camden county
sheriff's office,
609
00:31:14,373 --> 00:31:16,172
The kingsland police department.
610
00:31:16,241 --> 00:31:19,209
We had the georgia bureau of investigation
611
00:31:19,278 --> 00:31:20,577
And the coast guard.
612
00:31:22,381 --> 00:31:25,349
So many people showed up to help.
613
00:31:26,985 --> 00:31:29,486
This is a manhunt for david.
614
00:31:29,554 --> 00:31:32,789
We had issued the bolo for anybody to be on the lookout
615
00:31:32,791 --> 00:31:34,091
For any signs of david.
616
00:31:34,093 --> 00:31:38,294
♪ ♪
617
00:31:38,296 --> 00:31:40,964
[radio chatter]
618
00:31:41,033 --> 00:31:43,967
- It was all over the news. They were trying to find him.
619
00:31:44,036 --> 00:31:45,334
They weren't sure where he was.
620
00:31:45,336 --> 00:31:48,271
They didn't know if he was,
you know, in st. Marys, jekyll.
621
00:31:48,340 --> 00:31:50,007
They didn't have any idea
where he was.
622
00:31:50,009 --> 00:31:51,742
♪ ♪
623
00:31:51,810 --> 00:31:55,712
- The police were searching for david,
624
00:31:55,780 --> 00:31:58,348
But he was evading them.
625
00:31:58,417 --> 00:32:01,184
- They can't find david.
626
00:32:01,186 --> 00:32:02,452
Is david gonna come to our boat
627
00:32:02,521 --> 00:32:04,821
And say, "hide me,"
or would he come kill us too
628
00:32:04,889 --> 00:32:06,189
Because we were friends
with her?
629
00:32:06,257 --> 00:32:08,391
[dramatic music]
630
00:32:08,460 --> 00:32:10,994
We didn't know what to do. David was crazy.
631
00:32:11,063 --> 00:32:12,695
♪ ♪
632
00:32:12,697 --> 00:32:17,367
I--I have no idea what
he could have been thinking.
633
00:32:17,436 --> 00:32:20,470
But he was gonna take care
of things his way.
634
00:32:20,539 --> 00:32:22,439
♪ ♪
635
00:32:22,507 --> 00:32:24,675
- So we're driving around kingsland.
636
00:32:24,743 --> 00:32:27,744
Investigators run across
a vehicle at a gas station
637
00:32:27,812 --> 00:32:31,014
That seemed to match the lookout that we had issued.
638
00:32:31,083 --> 00:32:32,816
Sure enough,
it matched the vehicle
639
00:32:32,884 --> 00:32:34,418
That we were looking for.
640
00:32:37,622 --> 00:32:40,423
The discovery of this truck
was very interesting.
641
00:32:40,492 --> 00:32:42,425
Why is his truck here?
642
00:32:42,494 --> 00:32:45,362
Then we decided to just take
a look, the surrounding area.
643
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:47,196
Could he be on foot? Could he be in the store?
644
00:32:47,266 --> 00:32:49,099
Could he be nearby?
645
00:32:51,536 --> 00:32:55,638
There was actually a path behind the gas station.
646
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,341
So the officers
and one of the investigators
647
00:32:58,343 --> 00:33:01,444
From st. Marys went
to check out the path.
648
00:33:01,513 --> 00:33:04,414
Not too far into the path,
lo and behold,
649
00:33:04,483 --> 00:33:06,783
There is a holster
covered in blood.
650
00:33:08,387 --> 00:33:11,321
But the gun is missing.
651
00:33:11,390 --> 00:33:14,457
There's a few dollar bills bloodied on the ground.
652
00:33:14,526 --> 00:33:17,761
There's a wallet, and then there's an id card.
653
00:33:17,829 --> 00:33:20,931
And the id card belongs
to david trauger.
654
00:33:20,999 --> 00:33:25,434
♪ ♪
655
00:33:25,436 --> 00:33:29,072
When we find david's belongings in the woods,
656
00:33:29,141 --> 00:33:31,340
Everything shifts.
657
00:33:31,410 --> 00:33:34,411
I'm literally, like, boots on the ground,
658
00:33:34,479 --> 00:33:36,345
Going through the woods.
659
00:33:36,415 --> 00:33:39,348
[suspenseful music]
660
00:33:39,418 --> 00:33:41,250
I am hunting david
661
00:33:41,252 --> 00:33:44,921
Like a predator
going after its prey.
662
00:33:44,923 --> 00:33:47,223
Is he gonna stay shallow in the woods?
663
00:33:47,292 --> 00:33:49,092
What path is he gonna take?
664
00:33:49,161 --> 00:33:51,728
♪ ♪
665
00:33:51,796 --> 00:33:53,596
And we walked the woods,
666
00:33:53,598 --> 00:33:55,398
Just searching,
searching, searching,
667
00:33:55,466 --> 00:33:58,402
Everywhere we could think
that david might go.
668
00:34:00,705 --> 00:34:03,773
Where would a 67, 68-year-old man go?
669
00:34:03,842 --> 00:34:06,643
Would he get tired? Where might he rest?
670
00:34:06,711 --> 00:34:09,412
And we searched
the first night.
671
00:34:09,481 --> 00:34:11,782
The next day starts,
we search again.
672
00:34:13,485 --> 00:34:15,718
And there's officers searching everywhere.
673
00:34:15,787 --> 00:34:17,587
There's just people
out helping.
674
00:34:20,259 --> 00:34:22,692
And then the phone calls start
coming in from the citizens.
675
00:34:22,761 --> 00:34:25,095
[phone rings]
676
00:34:26,565 --> 00:34:28,298
- Police get a call from a witness
677
00:34:28,300 --> 00:34:29,833
Who says he's seen david trauger
678
00:34:29,901 --> 00:34:32,468
Near the apartment complex
where he was living.
679
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:34,036
[phone rings]
680
00:34:34,106 --> 00:34:36,773
- "hey, there's a guy here.
681
00:34:36,841 --> 00:34:39,176
"looks like the guy
on the news.
682
00:34:39,244 --> 00:34:41,278
He's an older gentleman."
683
00:34:41,346 --> 00:34:42,679
We have our walkie-talkies
684
00:34:42,747 --> 00:34:44,414
And we're deep in the middle of the woods,
685
00:34:44,483 --> 00:34:46,749
As far away from our cars
as possible.
686
00:34:46,818 --> 00:34:50,353
And we're running back, racing to get to our cars.
687
00:34:50,422 --> 00:34:53,390
♪ ♪
688
00:34:53,458 --> 00:34:56,025
And by the time
we get back to our car
689
00:34:56,094 --> 00:34:57,460
And we get into the area,
690
00:34:57,528 --> 00:34:59,262
The other law enforcement
officers already have
691
00:34:59,331 --> 00:35:01,131
A pretty decent perimeter set.
692
00:35:04,569 --> 00:35:07,204
We were all holding
our position at the perimeter.
693
00:35:07,272 --> 00:35:09,071
♪ ♪
694
00:35:09,141 --> 00:35:13,442
- David trauger comes out
of the apartment building.
695
00:35:13,444 --> 00:35:16,079
- When you box an animal
into a corner,
696
00:35:16,147 --> 00:35:18,181
What are they gonna do?
697
00:35:18,249 --> 00:35:20,617
I can just feel my heart beat.
698
00:35:20,685 --> 00:35:22,385
Something's about to happen.
699
00:35:22,454 --> 00:35:25,689
♪ ♪
700
00:35:27,291 --> 00:35:35,264
[tense music]
701
00:35:35,334 --> 00:35:37,234
♪ ♪
702
00:35:37,302 --> 00:35:40,570
- After an exhaustive search, authorities have located
703
00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:43,640
Armed murder suspect
david trauger
704
00:35:43,708 --> 00:35:47,543
And have him surrounded at a local apartment complex.
705
00:35:47,612 --> 00:35:49,879
[dramatic music]
706
00:35:49,948 --> 00:35:52,214
- We're holding our position at the perimeter.
707
00:35:52,216 --> 00:35:53,650
And you just have
that sense of,
708
00:35:53,718 --> 00:35:56,019
Something's gonna happen,
and your heart's beating fast.
709
00:35:56,087 --> 00:35:58,889
♪ ♪
710
00:35:58,957 --> 00:36:01,791
- David trauger comes out
of the apartment building.
711
00:36:01,860 --> 00:36:06,563
♪ ♪
712
00:36:06,631 --> 00:36:08,265
- He did pull out a pistol
713
00:36:08,267 --> 00:36:11,568
And raised and pointed
that pistol at law enforcement.
714
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,207
- You heard one gunshot...
[gunshot]
715
00:36:18,209 --> 00:36:19,976
Followed by a brief pause.
716
00:36:21,446 --> 00:36:22,712
- David fired first.
717
00:36:22,781 --> 00:36:24,881
That's all
the georgia police needed
718
00:36:24,949 --> 00:36:26,449
To unload on him.
719
00:36:26,518 --> 00:36:28,017
[gunfire]
720
00:36:28,086 --> 00:36:31,188
David was hit several times
721
00:36:31,256 --> 00:36:33,223
And killed on the spot.
722
00:36:34,759 --> 00:36:36,426
For good measure, they handcuffed him.
723
00:36:37,963 --> 00:36:39,429
- That's it.
724
00:36:39,497 --> 00:36:40,897
Manhunt's over.
725
00:36:46,371 --> 00:36:50,006
If david wants to engage in suicide by cop or he wants
726
00:36:50,074 --> 00:36:52,075
To do something reckless,
that's david's choice.
727
00:36:52,143 --> 00:36:54,644
I just want all
the police officers to go home.
728
00:36:54,713 --> 00:36:57,747
[soft dramatic music]
729
00:36:57,815 --> 00:37:00,383
♪ ♪
730
00:37:00,452 --> 00:37:02,852
- I found out that david had been
731
00:37:02,921 --> 00:37:04,954
In a shoot-out with the police.
732
00:37:05,023 --> 00:37:07,857
My uncle called me and said,
they got him.
733
00:37:07,926 --> 00:37:09,793
[sighs]
734
00:37:11,429 --> 00:37:14,164
Kind of disappointed
735
00:37:14,232 --> 00:37:17,566
That he died that way,
736
00:37:17,568 --> 00:37:22,438
Because you can't get to tell him what he's done to you,
737
00:37:22,507 --> 00:37:25,308
To tell him
his victim impact statement.
738
00:37:25,376 --> 00:37:29,445
- When we heard that it was suicide by cop,
739
00:37:29,514 --> 00:37:32,616
It was such a relief to us.
740
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:39,255
- During the course of the day,
741
00:37:39,323 --> 00:37:40,657
As everything was unfolding,
742
00:37:40,725 --> 00:37:43,059
I was able to inventory
the contents
743
00:37:43,128 --> 00:37:45,361
Found in david's truck.
744
00:37:45,363 --> 00:37:49,432
And I recovered, like,
suicide notes inside of them.
745
00:37:49,501 --> 00:37:54,204
There was documentation that he purchased a small boat,
746
00:37:54,272 --> 00:37:58,308
As well as letters for where he wanted property to go.
747
00:37:59,711 --> 00:38:02,178
- Police found evidence that indicated
748
00:38:02,246 --> 00:38:06,283
That he was contemplating
a suicide by cop scenario.
749
00:38:07,419 --> 00:38:11,854
- I think david was losing control of his pride and joy,
750
00:38:11,923 --> 00:38:14,124
Which was the "premium time,"
751
00:38:14,192 --> 00:38:16,926
Along with his wife.
752
00:38:18,830 --> 00:38:21,497
- I think this is where he starts to develop this plan
753
00:38:21,566 --> 00:38:24,433
Of her end-of-life plan
and his end-of-life plan.
754
00:38:24,503 --> 00:38:27,069
[tense music]
755
00:38:27,139 --> 00:38:29,005
The next day, I received a call
756
00:38:29,073 --> 00:38:32,041
That david's small boat
is actually found
757
00:38:32,043 --> 00:38:35,578
In somebody else's backyard
a little ways down the river,
758
00:38:35,646 --> 00:38:37,379
And that it had been spray-painted black,
759
00:38:37,381 --> 00:38:40,283
And that there were
spray-painted black gas cans
760
00:38:40,351 --> 00:38:42,451
And cinder blocks sitting inside of it.
761
00:38:42,521 --> 00:38:44,087
♪ ♪
762
00:38:44,155 --> 00:38:46,989
I think it shows his efficiency as a navigator
763
00:38:47,058 --> 00:38:50,059
And his willingness
to go to great lengths
764
00:38:50,061 --> 00:38:52,529
To commit terrible things
to karen.
765
00:38:54,332 --> 00:38:56,899
We weren't there, and now we can't ask david,
766
00:38:56,968 --> 00:38:59,836
We can't ask karen,
and we can't ask larry.
767
00:38:59,904 --> 00:39:04,040
But when I look back to the morning of August 13, 2012,
768
00:39:04,109 --> 00:39:06,409
You can't help
but try to piece together
769
00:39:06,477 --> 00:39:07,943
What you think really happened.
770
00:39:08,013 --> 00:39:10,947
♪ ♪
771
00:39:11,015 --> 00:39:15,618
- Investigators believe david put his johnboat in the water.
772
00:39:15,686 --> 00:39:18,020
A johnboat is a swamp boat
773
00:39:18,022 --> 00:39:20,690
In florida and georgia
and other parts of the south.
774
00:39:22,761 --> 00:39:25,295
He put cinder blocks in the front of the boat,
775
00:39:25,363 --> 00:39:28,197
And this is believed to have
been a way of keeping the boat
776
00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:30,800
From slapping as it was
pushed through the water,
777
00:39:30,869 --> 00:39:33,103
And thus drawing attention to it.
778
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,941
- Swamp boats are flat-bottomed watercraft
779
00:39:39,010 --> 00:39:42,044
That are used to navigate
marshy or shallow waters.
780
00:39:42,113 --> 00:39:45,181
As they move, water hits the bottom of the vessel,
781
00:39:45,249 --> 00:39:47,583
Creating a lapping sound.
782
00:39:47,652 --> 00:39:49,485
It seems trauger knew
cinder blocks would
783
00:39:49,554 --> 00:39:51,220
Weigh down his boat,
784
00:39:51,289 --> 00:39:54,090
Therein greatly reducing that noise.
785
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,060
- Police believe he piloted his johnboat
786
00:39:58,062 --> 00:40:00,130
To where "premium time" was anchored.
787
00:40:02,366 --> 00:40:03,599
They've got the doors locked,
788
00:40:03,668 --> 00:40:05,535
But he manages to get in anyway.
789
00:40:07,739 --> 00:40:09,973
When he gets in, they wake up.
790
00:40:13,611 --> 00:40:15,044
They're at gunpoint.
791
00:40:15,113 --> 00:40:16,045
[gunshots]
792
00:40:16,113 --> 00:40:17,747
They're shot.
793
00:40:19,584 --> 00:40:21,083
[gunshot rings]
794
00:40:21,152 --> 00:40:23,853
♪ ♪
795
00:40:23,922 --> 00:40:25,722
David spreads the gasoline around...
796
00:40:29,561 --> 00:40:30,927
Lights it on fire.
797
00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:38,301
- At some point,
karen has her phone,
798
00:40:38,369 --> 00:40:39,969
And she calls 911.
799
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,208
I think that phone call was her last hope,
800
00:40:46,210 --> 00:40:48,144
And we just couldn't
get there fast enough.
801
00:40:50,882 --> 00:40:53,616
That's a very torturous death.
802
00:40:53,685 --> 00:40:56,619
[somber music]
803
00:40:56,688 --> 00:40:59,155
♪ ♪
804
00:40:59,223 --> 00:41:01,791
- This tragic case was ultimately solved
805
00:41:01,860 --> 00:41:04,294
With the assistance
of many heroic people.
806
00:41:04,362 --> 00:41:08,431
The boat manufacturer armed detectives with details that
807
00:41:08,499 --> 00:41:12,268
Helped classify the crime as a double homicide and arson,
808
00:41:12,337 --> 00:41:15,671
And good old-fashioned police work quickly identified
809
00:41:15,740 --> 00:41:18,808
David trauger
as the likely perp.
810
00:41:18,877 --> 00:41:21,711
Amazingly, interagency coordination
811
00:41:21,713 --> 00:41:23,913
And an immediate response
by the task force
812
00:41:23,982 --> 00:41:26,215
Kicked off a manhunt that caught up
813
00:41:26,217 --> 00:41:29,085
To the violent killer in just two days.
814
00:41:29,153 --> 00:41:34,190
♪ ♪
815
00:41:34,258 --> 00:41:37,860
- Larry ford is the most innocent in all of this.
816
00:41:37,929 --> 00:41:40,329
He was really just trying
to be a gentleman,
817
00:41:40,398 --> 00:41:41,698
And he was able to help.
818
00:41:43,768 --> 00:41:45,868
- Anybody would have
helped karen,
819
00:41:45,937 --> 00:41:49,438
And he was glad for the opportunity to help her.
820
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,208
They didn't deserve to die.
821
00:41:52,276 --> 00:41:54,710
- What I want to say is,
822
00:41:54,779 --> 00:41:58,047
For victims to trust
their instincts,
823
00:41:58,116 --> 00:42:02,184
And to know that
a piece of paper,
824
00:42:02,186 --> 00:42:06,923
An order for protection, is not going to protect you.
825
00:42:06,991 --> 00:42:09,491
I wish there was more
that could be done
826
00:42:09,561 --> 00:42:11,193
For victims of stalking,
827
00:42:11,262 --> 00:42:14,230
Especially in cases
like karen's.
828
00:42:15,900 --> 00:42:18,767
- A restraining order isn't gonna do anything.
829
00:42:18,837 --> 00:42:20,770
This all should have
been prevented,
830
00:42:20,838 --> 00:42:23,439
If they'd have just found him
831
00:42:23,508 --> 00:42:25,708
When all the stalking and everything was going on
832
00:42:25,710 --> 00:42:28,177
And put him in jail.
833
00:42:28,246 --> 00:42:30,713
We lost a really wonderful person.
64715
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