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Where is your emergency? 12 00:00:35,136 --> 00:00:39,270 - All I could see was this blazing inferno in the river. 13 00:00:39,340 --> 00:00:41,707 ♪ ♪ 14 00:00:41,775 --> 00:00:44,376 My stomach just sunk to the floor. 15 00:00:46,380 --> 00:00:50,649 - Somebody possibly poured gasoline on that boat. 16 00:00:50,717 --> 00:00:53,952 - Several pieces of human skeletal remains 17 00:00:54,021 --> 00:00:55,654 Were recovered. 18 00:00:55,722 --> 00:00:57,389 - We don't know, is it one body? 19 00:00:57,457 --> 00:00:59,023 Is it two bodies? Is it twelve? 20 00:00:59,093 --> 00:01:02,193 ♪ ♪ 21 00:01:02,263 --> 00:01:05,931 - The whole boating community was in shock. 22 00:01:05,999 --> 00:01:10,436 - He'd just turn into an evil, evil, hateful person. 23 00:01:12,907 --> 00:01:16,207 - He did pull out a pistol 24 00:01:16,277 --> 00:01:21,546 And raised and pointed that said pistol at law enforcement. 25 00:01:21,548 --> 00:01:23,281 - I can just feel my heart beat. 26 00:01:23,350 --> 00:01:25,049 Something's about to happen. 27 00:01:25,119 --> 00:01:26,285 [gunshots] 28 00:01:29,123 --> 00:01:32,224 [seabirds squalling] 29 00:01:38,132 --> 00:01:41,165 [tense twangy music] 30 00:01:41,167 --> 00:01:42,901 ♪ ♪ 31 00:01:42,969 --> 00:01:47,272 - The 130-mile st. Marys river is a blackwater river, 32 00:01:47,340 --> 00:01:49,073 Which is a slow-moving channel 33 00:01:49,143 --> 00:01:52,310 Flowing through forested swamps and wetlands. 34 00:01:52,379 --> 00:01:54,679 Located in southeast georgia, 35 00:01:54,681 --> 00:01:58,116 It serves as the border between georgia and florida, 36 00:01:58,185 --> 00:02:00,986 And the surrounding areas have both southern charm 37 00:02:01,054 --> 00:02:03,222 And easy coastal living. 38 00:02:03,290 --> 00:02:06,891 In 2012, however, the small, quaint town 39 00:02:06,961 --> 00:02:10,262 Was shocked by a series of tragic events. 40 00:02:10,330 --> 00:02:15,467 ♪ ♪ 41 00:02:15,536 --> 00:02:18,303 [phone line trills] 42 00:02:28,515 --> 00:02:30,382 - Around 3:00 in the morning, 43 00:02:30,450 --> 00:02:33,818 The st. Marys police department dispatch received a 911 call. 44 00:02:33,887 --> 00:02:36,154 There was believed to be some screaming 45 00:02:36,222 --> 00:02:37,489 Heard over that line. 46 00:02:43,697 --> 00:02:46,632 [muffled screaming continues] 47 00:02:48,168 --> 00:02:49,835 - It's really haunting. 48 00:02:49,837 --> 00:02:52,871 It begins with some moaning, and then there's 49 00:02:52,939 --> 00:02:55,540 Some indistinguishable kind of sounds. 50 00:02:55,609 --> 00:02:58,677 [indistinct moaning] 51 00:03:07,387 --> 00:03:09,287 - And then that's--that's it. It's over. 52 00:03:09,356 --> 00:03:11,323 There's no more sound after that. 53 00:03:14,294 --> 00:03:15,994 - I was the on-call investigator. 54 00:03:16,063 --> 00:03:17,795 [siren wails] 55 00:03:17,865 --> 00:03:20,298 The only information known was that the phone number 56 00:03:20,367 --> 00:03:23,702 That was related to an address in the city of st. Marys 57 00:03:23,704 --> 00:03:27,572 At a boatyard off of new point peter road. 58 00:03:27,641 --> 00:03:29,874 And I was driving there to where the marina is. 59 00:03:29,876 --> 00:03:32,010 I was just thinking, is there somebody 60 00:03:32,078 --> 00:03:34,613 Hurt somewhere that we need to get to? 61 00:03:34,681 --> 00:03:37,081 And as I come to the middle of the causeway, 62 00:03:37,151 --> 00:03:41,452 All I could see was this blazing inferno in the river. 63 00:03:41,454 --> 00:03:44,389 [dramatic music] 64 00:03:44,458 --> 00:03:48,827 ♪ ♪ 65 00:03:48,895 --> 00:03:52,364 And, like, my stomach just sunk to the floor. 66 00:03:54,134 --> 00:03:56,935 Because your first interest is preserving life. 67 00:03:59,606 --> 00:04:00,706 [radio chatter] 68 00:04:00,774 --> 00:04:03,709 The fire department's on scene. 69 00:04:03,777 --> 00:04:05,711 We can't even get near it because of the heat 70 00:04:05,779 --> 00:04:10,048 Emanating off of this vessel anchored out in the water. 71 00:04:10,117 --> 00:04:12,951 You can even feel the heat just standing on the shoreline. 72 00:04:14,688 --> 00:04:17,288 You can't even get close without risking 73 00:04:17,358 --> 00:04:18,790 Getting hurt yourself. 74 00:04:20,827 --> 00:04:24,363 And so all you can do is just let the fire burn down. 75 00:04:25,899 --> 00:04:27,532 And then once it gets small enough, 76 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:28,967 You can start pulling it in. 77 00:04:31,405 --> 00:04:36,608 But at that point, if there's a person on that boat, 78 00:04:36,677 --> 00:04:38,910 They're not a person anymore. 79 00:04:38,979 --> 00:04:42,848 ♪ ♪ 80 00:04:42,916 --> 00:04:45,316 - A fire caused by flammable liquids, 81 00:04:45,386 --> 00:04:48,586 Such as gasoline, oil, or grease, 82 00:04:48,655 --> 00:04:50,889 Cannot be extinguished with water. 83 00:04:50,957 --> 00:04:53,591 In fact, water can spread the liquids, 84 00:04:53,660 --> 00:04:56,327 Making a fire much, much worse. 85 00:04:56,329 --> 00:04:59,297 Without knowledge of how the blaze started, 86 00:04:59,299 --> 00:05:02,534 Firefighters absolutely have no choice 87 00:05:02,602 --> 00:05:06,405 But to wait for the flames on the trawler to burn out. 88 00:05:07,874 --> 00:05:09,741 - My brain's already in overdrive. 89 00:05:09,810 --> 00:05:12,677 And I'm just trying to wrap my head around, 90 00:05:12,679 --> 00:05:14,779 Okay, is this an accidental fire? 91 00:05:14,848 --> 00:05:17,616 Is this an intentional fire? 92 00:05:17,684 --> 00:05:19,985 It was still really dark outside. 93 00:05:20,053 --> 00:05:21,953 An agent from dnr, 94 00:05:22,022 --> 00:05:23,688 The department of natural resources, 95 00:05:23,690 --> 00:05:25,290 Showed up with a boat. 96 00:05:25,359 --> 00:05:27,793 He let me and one of the officers get onto his boat, 97 00:05:27,861 --> 00:05:30,962 And he took us as close to the boat that was on fire 98 00:05:31,031 --> 00:05:32,030 As he could. 99 00:05:32,098 --> 00:05:35,734 I was able to get my camera lens in close enough 100 00:05:35,802 --> 00:05:38,636 That I was able to capture the "premium time" name 101 00:05:38,705 --> 00:05:41,006 On this great harbour trawler boat that was burning. 102 00:05:43,143 --> 00:05:46,077 - The "premium time" is a great harbour 37-foot 103 00:05:46,146 --> 00:05:48,480 Liveaboard full displacement trawler. 104 00:05:48,548 --> 00:05:52,217 While historically trawlers were known as fishing vessels, 105 00:05:52,285 --> 00:05:55,153 Today many, like the "premium time," 106 00:05:55,222 --> 00:05:57,088 Are designed as houseboats 107 00:05:57,157 --> 00:06:00,192 With comfortable living and entertaining spaces 108 00:06:00,260 --> 00:06:03,127 And are outfitted for long-range cruising. 109 00:06:03,196 --> 00:06:05,797 If someone was living on this vessel, 110 00:06:05,866 --> 00:06:08,500 It's essentially like a house fire on the water, 111 00:06:08,568 --> 00:06:13,071 And there's the possibility of multiple victims on board. 112 00:06:14,074 --> 00:06:15,740 - The investigators called the office 113 00:06:15,742 --> 00:06:17,309 Of great harbour trawlers, 114 00:06:17,377 --> 00:06:19,911 Because that was the manufacturer, 115 00:06:19,913 --> 00:06:22,246 To find out who was in possession of the boat. 116 00:06:22,316 --> 00:06:24,916 That was the starting point for that investigation. 117 00:06:26,587 --> 00:06:29,287 - Just like the vin on a car, every boat has 118 00:06:29,356 --> 00:06:33,257 What's called a hin, or hull identification number. 119 00:06:33,327 --> 00:06:37,162 This number is assigned to the vessel's registered owner. 120 00:06:38,899 --> 00:06:41,132 - Our investigators started giving me information 121 00:06:41,201 --> 00:06:44,736 About "premium time" and confirming the owner for me, 122 00:06:44,804 --> 00:06:46,738 Which was karen barnes. 123 00:06:48,608 --> 00:06:50,342 - Police are trying to reach karen, 124 00:06:50,410 --> 00:06:54,212 Because if she's on that boat, this is a nightmare. 125 00:06:54,281 --> 00:06:56,915 But they couldn't get in contact with her. 126 00:06:58,519 --> 00:07:01,019 - This took several hours, 127 00:07:01,087 --> 00:07:02,654 And the boat's just becoming nothing 128 00:07:02,722 --> 00:07:04,923 As it's--as time passes. 129 00:07:11,698 --> 00:07:14,632 [tense music] 130 00:07:14,701 --> 00:07:18,703 ♪ ♪ 131 00:07:18,772 --> 00:07:22,240 People started waking up, those who lived in the marina. 132 00:07:22,309 --> 00:07:24,742 There's buzzing going around, 133 00:07:24,811 --> 00:07:27,345 And there's people saying, oh, I know karen. 134 00:07:27,414 --> 00:07:29,848 But nobody had seen karen. 135 00:07:29,916 --> 00:07:33,518 Nobody had heard from her since the previous day. 136 00:07:33,586 --> 00:07:36,921 And then some of the residents that were in the area 137 00:07:36,923 --> 00:07:39,057 Who woke up from all of the commotion, 138 00:07:39,125 --> 00:07:40,925 They're like, well, this guy named larry ford 139 00:07:40,994 --> 00:07:43,561 Was living on the boat next to hers. 140 00:07:43,630 --> 00:07:46,531 Larry's a good friend of karen's. 141 00:07:46,599 --> 00:07:49,333 Larry would often go visit karen. 142 00:07:49,403 --> 00:07:52,304 So while we were out there on the water in dnr's boat, 143 00:07:52,372 --> 00:07:55,373 He took us over to larry's vessel in the spirit 144 00:07:55,441 --> 00:07:58,910 Of a wellness check to make sure, is larry okay? 145 00:07:58,979 --> 00:08:02,214 And could she have been on his boat that night? 146 00:08:02,282 --> 00:08:03,481 [knocking on door] 147 00:08:03,549 --> 00:08:05,550 So we boarded larry's boat, and we're knocking, 148 00:08:05,619 --> 00:08:08,586 "karen! Larry!" and you know, 149 00:08:08,588 --> 00:08:11,055 Hoping somebody would open the door. 150 00:08:11,124 --> 00:08:13,557 And we weren't getting a response. 151 00:08:13,559 --> 00:08:15,494 ♪ ♪ 152 00:08:15,562 --> 00:08:19,097 And so I'm looking at this boat, "premium time," 153 00:08:19,165 --> 00:08:20,865 From larry's boat. 154 00:08:20,934 --> 00:08:23,601 His boat is next to hers, and it's still burning. 155 00:08:23,670 --> 00:08:26,971 And I'm thinking, minute by minute, 156 00:08:26,973 --> 00:08:29,240 Second by second, the evidence is burning, 157 00:08:29,309 --> 00:08:33,945 And there might have been people on board. 158 00:08:37,250 --> 00:08:40,217 [radio chatter] 159 00:08:41,355 --> 00:08:45,624 Around 6:20 in the morning, the fire had diminished enough 160 00:08:45,692 --> 00:08:47,859 That fire personnel could get closer to it, 161 00:08:47,927 --> 00:08:51,997 Cut the anchor, and guide it towards the dock. 162 00:08:52,065 --> 00:08:53,832 The fire wasn't fully extinguished 163 00:08:53,900 --> 00:08:57,068 Until about 12:15 that afternoon, 164 00:08:57,137 --> 00:08:59,137 Quite a long time. 165 00:08:59,205 --> 00:09:01,739 I remember, we went down into the boat, 166 00:09:01,808 --> 00:09:05,577 And it's just this charred mess. 167 00:09:05,645 --> 00:09:08,746 At that point, we could really get into the investigation 168 00:09:08,815 --> 00:09:11,816 And see what evidence is there; 169 00:09:11,884 --> 00:09:14,052 What is left for us to collect here? 170 00:09:17,658 --> 00:09:20,558 [tense music] 171 00:09:20,627 --> 00:09:26,431 ♪ ♪ 172 00:09:26,499 --> 00:09:27,699 - The investigation was led 173 00:09:27,767 --> 00:09:30,068 By the st. Marys police department, 174 00:09:30,136 --> 00:09:33,037 But it also involved the georgia bureau of investigation 175 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:36,307 And the camden county sheriff's office. 176 00:09:36,309 --> 00:09:39,944 - When the gbi was requested to help with this investigation, 177 00:09:40,013 --> 00:09:43,114 There was virtually nothing left of the boat. 178 00:09:43,183 --> 00:09:45,850 In this case, you have to worry about the challenges 179 00:09:45,918 --> 00:09:48,019 Of solving a case that involved fire. 180 00:09:48,088 --> 00:09:50,589 And is the evidence washed into the ocean? 181 00:09:52,358 --> 00:09:54,092 And is it gone? 182 00:09:56,162 --> 00:09:57,996 - And we're just starting to sift through 183 00:09:58,064 --> 00:10:00,331 And just see what can be recovered. 184 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,100 We're looking, and my thought is, 185 00:10:02,102 --> 00:10:06,371 I hope we find nothing, but I hope we find everything. 186 00:10:06,439 --> 00:10:07,972 And then we start finding 187 00:10:08,041 --> 00:10:11,643 Several pieces of human skeletal remains. 188 00:10:11,711 --> 00:10:15,213 [dramatic music] 189 00:10:15,281 --> 00:10:18,549 - Was it an accidental fire on the boat? 190 00:10:18,618 --> 00:10:20,952 We don't know, is it one body? 191 00:10:21,020 --> 00:10:22,386 Is it two bodies? Is it twelve? 192 00:10:22,455 --> 00:10:24,623 ♪ ♪ 193 00:10:24,691 --> 00:10:25,856 - My gut's sinking. 194 00:10:25,926 --> 00:10:28,126 If larry's not on his boat, 195 00:10:28,194 --> 00:10:31,629 And karen's not with larry on larry's boat, 196 00:10:31,698 --> 00:10:34,298 Where are karen and larry? 197 00:10:34,367 --> 00:10:36,934 ♪ ♪ 198 00:10:37,003 --> 00:10:38,637 - We don't know who it might be, 199 00:10:38,705 --> 00:10:41,406 How many people it might be. 200 00:10:41,474 --> 00:10:45,777 - You can't light these boats on fire very easily. 201 00:10:45,845 --> 00:10:47,745 There's only one way that it could happen. 202 00:10:47,814 --> 00:10:50,681 It's accelerants. 203 00:10:50,751 --> 00:10:53,451 - This had to be intentional, 204 00:10:53,519 --> 00:10:55,586 And it had to be methodical. 205 00:10:55,655 --> 00:10:57,989 I'm literally, like, boots on the ground, 206 00:10:58,058 --> 00:11:00,024 Going through the woods 207 00:11:00,026 --> 00:11:02,627 Like a predator going after its prey. 208 00:11:02,695 --> 00:11:05,930 ♪ ♪ 209 00:11:06,565 --> 00:11:11,836 [tense music] 210 00:11:11,904 --> 00:11:15,539 [radio chatter] 211 00:11:15,609 --> 00:11:18,876 - 13 hours after the "premium time" went ablaze 212 00:11:18,945 --> 00:11:20,412 On the st. Marys river, 213 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,415 Investigators discover human bone fragments 214 00:11:23,483 --> 00:11:25,883 Within the smoldering ashes. 215 00:11:25,952 --> 00:11:29,287 With karen barnes' whereabouts still unknown, 216 00:11:29,355 --> 00:11:32,556 Authorities fear she could be a victim of the fire. 217 00:11:32,626 --> 00:11:34,726 - We don't know 218 00:11:34,794 --> 00:11:37,762 Who it might be, how many people it might be. 219 00:11:37,831 --> 00:11:40,764 So those pieces that were found, 220 00:11:40,766 --> 00:11:44,368 They were collected, and those remains were transported 221 00:11:44,370 --> 00:11:46,871 To the medical examiner's office in savannah, georgia. 222 00:11:51,111 --> 00:11:54,112 [intriguing music] 223 00:11:54,180 --> 00:11:57,849 Through the autopsy, even in a fire case, 224 00:11:57,917 --> 00:12:00,818 If a body is not able to be identified 225 00:12:00,820 --> 00:12:03,287 Through physical means, 226 00:12:03,356 --> 00:12:07,391 You can use dna examinations of bone marrow 227 00:12:07,393 --> 00:12:09,527 To possibly identify the remains. 228 00:12:09,596 --> 00:12:11,863 ♪ ♪ 229 00:12:11,931 --> 00:12:14,065 Through dna testing, 230 00:12:14,134 --> 00:12:16,735 The remains were identified as karen barnes. 231 00:12:22,542 --> 00:12:27,345 - It's very tragic, and you have to tell families. 232 00:12:27,347 --> 00:12:28,846 This is the sort of notification 233 00:12:28,915 --> 00:12:30,615 That never gets easier. 234 00:12:30,683 --> 00:12:32,950 [somber music] 235 00:12:33,019 --> 00:12:36,487 - Once I got the call, I broke down. 236 00:12:36,556 --> 00:12:39,723 Kind of heart-wrenching. 237 00:12:39,793 --> 00:12:41,825 Lost my whole world. 238 00:12:41,827 --> 00:12:44,696 ♪ ♪ 239 00:12:44,764 --> 00:12:48,566 - The whole boating community was in shock, 240 00:12:48,635 --> 00:12:50,702 And our group of great harbour owners, 241 00:12:50,770 --> 00:12:54,372 We were just all like, what could have happened? 242 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,375 [tense music] 243 00:12:57,443 --> 00:12:59,277 ♪ ♪ 244 00:12:59,345 --> 00:13:02,113 - You want to treat everything serious like a homicide 245 00:13:02,181 --> 00:13:05,216 To begin with, but you have to also consider other factors-- 246 00:13:05,285 --> 00:13:09,287 Possible murder, arson, an accidental fire. 247 00:13:09,355 --> 00:13:11,322 So now we needed some background information 248 00:13:11,391 --> 00:13:12,423 On karen. 249 00:13:12,492 --> 00:13:13,891 [somber music] 250 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:15,593 - Karen is my sister. 251 00:13:15,662 --> 00:13:17,461 She's the oldest, 252 00:13:17,463 --> 00:13:19,797 Then we have two brothers in between us, and then me. 253 00:13:19,866 --> 00:13:21,432 ♪ ♪ 254 00:13:21,501 --> 00:13:24,869 Karen lived in myrtle beach, and then she moved down here, 255 00:13:24,938 --> 00:13:27,605 And I got her a job as an event planner. 256 00:13:27,674 --> 00:13:29,407 She loved the beach. 257 00:13:29,475 --> 00:13:31,542 She loved to go looking for shells, 258 00:13:31,611 --> 00:13:35,046 Kayaking, swimming. 259 00:13:35,114 --> 00:13:36,947 She loved all of it. 260 00:13:36,949 --> 00:13:42,453 ♪ ♪ 261 00:13:42,522 --> 00:13:45,990 - I first met karen through great harbour boats. 262 00:13:45,992 --> 00:13:47,891 We had matching boats. 263 00:13:47,893 --> 00:13:51,162 She was just warm right off the bat. 264 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:55,899 - Karen lived on the boat. 265 00:13:55,901 --> 00:13:59,504 Being on a boat on the water really made her tick. 266 00:14:02,675 --> 00:14:06,477 - Karen was such a beautiful, beautiful person, 267 00:14:06,546 --> 00:14:08,613 Inside and out. 268 00:14:10,617 --> 00:14:13,050 She was just so bubbly, 269 00:14:13,119 --> 00:14:17,421 This bouncy, bubbly-- full of personality. 270 00:14:17,490 --> 00:14:22,526 She was just a really good person. 271 00:14:22,528 --> 00:14:24,996 A great loss. 272 00:14:25,064 --> 00:14:28,099 [seabirds squalling] 273 00:14:28,167 --> 00:14:31,102 [dramatic music] 274 00:14:31,170 --> 00:14:33,271 ♪ ♪ 275 00:14:33,339 --> 00:14:35,874 - An investigation on the water 276 00:14:35,942 --> 00:14:39,811 Is much more complicated than investigation on land. 277 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:41,779 On land, everything is pretty much 278 00:14:41,847 --> 00:14:43,781 Contained right in one spot. 279 00:14:43,850 --> 00:14:48,252 On the water, the evidence can be lost in the water itself. 280 00:14:48,321 --> 00:14:50,421 It makes it that much more difficult. 281 00:14:52,558 --> 00:14:55,459 - While we were sifting through and trying to find 282 00:14:55,528 --> 00:14:58,462 The pieces that we needed to tell the story, 283 00:14:58,531 --> 00:15:01,599 Some shell casings from a firearm were recovered. 284 00:15:01,667 --> 00:15:04,101 ♪ ♪ 285 00:15:04,170 --> 00:15:06,037 - There were shell casings, but there was 286 00:15:06,105 --> 00:15:07,905 No evidence of a handgun on board. 287 00:15:07,974 --> 00:15:11,309 The discovery of shell casings amidst the ashes 288 00:15:11,377 --> 00:15:14,745 Suggested it was more than just a fire. 289 00:15:14,747 --> 00:15:16,680 - Karen did have a gun 290 00:15:16,750 --> 00:15:20,050 So that she felt she could protect herself. 291 00:15:20,052 --> 00:15:22,820 - Maybe the gun could have been on larry's boat. 292 00:15:22,889 --> 00:15:24,656 But where's larry? 293 00:15:24,724 --> 00:15:26,824 He's not out here looking for karen. 294 00:15:26,892 --> 00:15:30,194 He's not on the dock. He's not showing himself. 295 00:15:30,262 --> 00:15:31,162 There are so many questions, like, 296 00:15:31,230 --> 00:15:33,030 Was larry with karen 297 00:15:33,032 --> 00:15:34,599 On the "premium time"? 298 00:15:37,337 --> 00:15:39,670 - Investigators talked to some other 299 00:15:39,672 --> 00:15:43,807 Great harbour trawler owners who lived at the marina. 300 00:15:43,877 --> 00:15:46,544 They said larry ford apparently is a boat guy, 301 00:15:46,612 --> 00:15:48,146 That he had been a boat technician 302 00:15:48,214 --> 00:15:50,714 For a long time in that south georgia area, 303 00:15:50,783 --> 00:15:54,452 Fixing boats and installing equipment on boats. 304 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,187 - I learned that at one point, 305 00:15:56,255 --> 00:16:00,558 "premium time" was docked in jekyll island. 306 00:16:00,626 --> 00:16:02,760 She had met larry ford in jekyll, 307 00:16:02,829 --> 00:16:04,462 And they became friends there. 308 00:16:05,932 --> 00:16:10,568 When karen left jekyll and came down to st. Marys, 309 00:16:10,636 --> 00:16:12,903 Larry actually moved his boat as well. 310 00:16:13,839 --> 00:16:17,575 - Larry was just the nicest man, just real laid-back. 311 00:16:17,643 --> 00:16:19,911 He would help karen, and she would take him food. 312 00:16:19,979 --> 00:16:22,312 He just kind of was there and would help anybody 313 00:16:22,314 --> 00:16:24,715 With whatever they need done. 314 00:16:24,784 --> 00:16:28,719 - Karen's loved ones said that larry, he was a good guy. 315 00:16:28,788 --> 00:16:31,188 But maybe something was going on in their lives 316 00:16:31,257 --> 00:16:33,624 And their relationship that we don't know about. 317 00:16:33,693 --> 00:16:35,326 [dramatic music] 318 00:16:35,394 --> 00:16:37,995 But then I received a phone call. 319 00:16:38,064 --> 00:16:41,599 And we were able to confirm through the medical examiner 320 00:16:41,667 --> 00:16:44,101 That there were two bodies that were recovered 321 00:16:44,170 --> 00:16:46,003 From "premium time," 322 00:16:46,071 --> 00:16:49,006 And we still hadn't heard from larry ford. 323 00:16:49,075 --> 00:16:52,876 So I'm automatically thinking, it could be larry's remains. 324 00:16:52,946 --> 00:16:54,378 ♪ ♪ 325 00:16:54,380 --> 00:16:55,947 - Through familial dna, 326 00:16:56,015 --> 00:16:59,017 Which essentially means comparing the tissue samples 327 00:16:59,085 --> 00:17:03,154 That they have of the victims to family members, 328 00:17:03,222 --> 00:17:06,357 The other remains were identified as larry ford. 329 00:17:08,427 --> 00:17:11,162 Not only did we have one body. 330 00:17:11,230 --> 00:17:12,864 Now we had two. 331 00:17:12,932 --> 00:17:16,100 So that complicates the investigation. 332 00:17:16,168 --> 00:17:17,635 - It looked like the individuals 333 00:17:17,703 --> 00:17:22,440 Whose bodies were found inside had been shot, 334 00:17:22,442 --> 00:17:25,676 And the boat had been torched to cover up the crime. 335 00:17:25,745 --> 00:17:29,313 - Or could it have been murder-suicide? 336 00:17:29,382 --> 00:17:31,416 - Was it a homicide? 337 00:17:31,484 --> 00:17:33,851 A target towards karen barnes? 338 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:35,886 ♪ ♪ 339 00:17:35,888 --> 00:17:38,756 Or was it a target towards larry ford? 340 00:17:38,825 --> 00:17:43,561 ♪ ♪ 341 00:17:44,162 --> 00:17:50,168 [tense music] 342 00:17:50,236 --> 00:17:51,903 ♪ ♪ 343 00:17:51,971 --> 00:17:54,538 - Authorities learn that the human remains 344 00:17:54,607 --> 00:17:57,508 Recovered from the "premium time" do, in fact, 345 00:17:57,577 --> 00:18:00,878 Belong to karen barnes and her friend, larry ford. 346 00:18:00,946 --> 00:18:04,415 With the fire having destroyed all of the forensic evidence 347 00:18:04,483 --> 00:18:06,650 Like fingerprints and dna, 348 00:18:06,719 --> 00:18:11,289 Detectives cannot determine if another person was involved 349 00:18:11,291 --> 00:18:13,624 Or if this was a murder-suicide. 350 00:18:13,693 --> 00:18:16,426 So the next step in their investigation 351 00:18:16,496 --> 00:18:20,097 Is to uncover as much as they can about the victims. 352 00:18:20,165 --> 00:18:23,767 [seabirds squalling] 353 00:18:23,769 --> 00:18:27,738 - Those who lived in the marina said that larry, 354 00:18:27,806 --> 00:18:29,907 He was a nice friend, and he could tell 355 00:18:29,975 --> 00:18:32,676 That karen was concerned 356 00:18:32,745 --> 00:18:35,245 About this husband that she just had divorced from. 357 00:18:35,315 --> 00:18:36,881 ♪ ♪ 358 00:18:36,949 --> 00:18:40,784 Five months prior, in April of 2012, 359 00:18:40,786 --> 00:18:43,187 Karen filed for divorce from david trauger. 360 00:18:44,690 --> 00:18:46,924 But I wasn't really sure, like, what had happened 361 00:18:46,992 --> 00:18:48,926 To deteriorate this relationship. 362 00:18:50,596 --> 00:18:52,830 I need to get some background information. 363 00:18:52,899 --> 00:18:54,832 Could he be involved? 364 00:18:54,900 --> 00:18:56,868 There were so many unanswered questions, 365 00:18:56,936 --> 00:18:58,836 And I needed answers. 366 00:19:01,941 --> 00:19:04,975 [soft music] 367 00:19:04,977 --> 00:19:08,912 - Karen barnes and david trauger met in 2009 368 00:19:08,982 --> 00:19:11,749 While she was working as an events coordinator 369 00:19:11,817 --> 00:19:14,218 At a restaurant in georgia. 370 00:19:14,287 --> 00:19:16,187 ♪ ♪ 371 00:19:16,255 --> 00:19:17,855 David trauger, 372 00:19:17,923 --> 00:19:20,224 He had an insurance company in pennsylvania. 373 00:19:20,293 --> 00:19:22,826 He was financially well-off. 374 00:19:22,828 --> 00:19:25,363 David trauger, I believe, acquired "premium time" 375 00:19:25,365 --> 00:19:27,465 In 2006. 376 00:19:29,101 --> 00:19:31,869 You have to have pretty solid financial footing 377 00:19:31,937 --> 00:19:33,971 To be able to afford "premium time." 378 00:19:36,175 --> 00:19:38,509 - Liveaboards can range in price quite a bit. 379 00:19:38,578 --> 00:19:40,178 But for the "premium time" 380 00:19:40,246 --> 00:19:43,514 That had a custom interior and the addition of a tender, 381 00:19:43,582 --> 00:19:48,286 The ticket price was $560,000. 382 00:19:48,354 --> 00:19:52,990 - I think karen saw in david a change for a new future, 383 00:19:53,058 --> 00:19:55,193 You know, the beach. 384 00:19:55,261 --> 00:19:58,662 David pretty much told her, you won't have to work. 385 00:19:58,731 --> 00:20:01,031 Because she pretty much gave up everything 386 00:20:01,100 --> 00:20:05,303 To marry him and move down to jekyll island on the boat. 387 00:20:05,305 --> 00:20:09,073 ♪ ♪ 388 00:20:09,141 --> 00:20:12,476 They got married, I think, three months from meeting, 389 00:20:12,478 --> 00:20:13,878 On "premium time." 390 00:20:16,749 --> 00:20:18,482 - Karen was good to david. 391 00:20:18,550 --> 00:20:20,284 She took good care of david. 392 00:20:20,353 --> 00:20:23,487 [indistinct chatter] 393 00:20:23,556 --> 00:20:26,490 But david was an alcoholic. 394 00:20:26,492 --> 00:20:29,660 Karen did say she would never have gotten involved with him 395 00:20:29,729 --> 00:20:31,963 If she knew he was an alcoholic. 396 00:20:33,699 --> 00:20:35,499 - When david drank, he just turned 397 00:20:35,501 --> 00:20:38,769 Into an evil, evil, hateful person. 398 00:20:40,305 --> 00:20:42,105 - I learned from loved ones, 399 00:20:42,107 --> 00:20:44,608 They had some prior awareness of complaints 400 00:20:44,677 --> 00:20:47,578 Of domestic issues between karen barnes 401 00:20:47,646 --> 00:20:51,249 And her ex-husband, david trauger. 402 00:20:51,317 --> 00:20:54,185 That's never a positive thing. 403 00:20:54,253 --> 00:20:57,120 - At one time, karen told me they were down in the bahamas. 404 00:20:57,122 --> 00:21:01,025 He had thought somebody was flirting with her. 405 00:21:01,093 --> 00:21:03,460 He threw her wedding ring into the water. 406 00:21:03,529 --> 00:21:05,062 He ended up twisting her arm, 407 00:21:05,130 --> 00:21:07,931 Where she had to go get it in a cast. 408 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,167 [tense music] 409 00:21:10,235 --> 00:21:12,870 When she--you know, when she told me about the abuse, 410 00:21:12,938 --> 00:21:15,473 I really wanted her to leave him. 411 00:21:17,109 --> 00:21:20,277 But she actually stayed with him for years. 412 00:21:20,345 --> 00:21:23,981 ♪ ♪ 413 00:21:24,049 --> 00:21:28,686 - In 2012, karen and david got into an argument in the car. 414 00:21:30,556 --> 00:21:34,158 And he tried to run the car off the road. 415 00:21:34,226 --> 00:21:37,094 At that point, karen came to our firm 416 00:21:37,162 --> 00:21:40,030 To file a divorce against her husband, 417 00:21:40,032 --> 00:21:41,699 David trauger. 418 00:21:41,767 --> 00:21:43,767 She had been in this abusive marriage 419 00:21:43,836 --> 00:21:46,837 With david for several years, and she wanted out. 420 00:21:50,042 --> 00:21:53,210 At that point, she and david had agreed 421 00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:55,979 On how to split their assets. 422 00:21:55,981 --> 00:21:58,582 They agreed that he would maintain the business, 423 00:21:58,584 --> 00:22:01,885 Two houses, and other property. 424 00:22:01,954 --> 00:22:04,721 Karen would receive alimony and "premium time." 425 00:22:04,790 --> 00:22:07,925 Karen loved living aboard a boat. 426 00:22:07,993 --> 00:22:11,195 And she loved the lifestyle that came with it. 427 00:22:11,263 --> 00:22:14,331 So after the divorce, karen was still living 428 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,634 On "premium time" on jekyll island. 429 00:22:20,239 --> 00:22:23,206 [tense music] 430 00:22:23,208 --> 00:22:26,777 ♪ ♪ 431 00:22:26,846 --> 00:22:29,180 - We had received a call at the fire station 432 00:22:29,248 --> 00:22:31,282 From a gentleman by the name of ken fickett, 433 00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:33,350 The owner of great harbour trawlers. 434 00:22:33,418 --> 00:22:35,119 He was trying to get in touch with law enforcement 435 00:22:35,187 --> 00:22:36,387 Because he had information. 436 00:22:36,455 --> 00:22:37,755 ♪ ♪ 437 00:22:37,823 --> 00:22:40,590 He told me that he built "premium time" 438 00:22:40,592 --> 00:22:43,126 Specifically for david trauger. 439 00:22:43,196 --> 00:22:45,395 Ken was giving me some background 440 00:22:45,397 --> 00:22:48,065 Of the "premium time" and helping me understand 441 00:22:48,134 --> 00:22:50,033 This boat. 442 00:22:50,035 --> 00:22:53,604 - They're very, very safely built boats 443 00:22:53,672 --> 00:22:57,574 With significant electrical systems. 444 00:22:57,576 --> 00:22:59,577 There's all kinds of things that we do 445 00:22:59,579 --> 00:23:01,778 In the manufacturing process 446 00:23:01,847 --> 00:23:05,483 That would preclude the boat from catching on fire. 447 00:23:06,485 --> 00:23:10,187 - According to david's, like, wants and specifications, 448 00:23:10,255 --> 00:23:13,957 Ken added this thing called a fireboy suppressor 449 00:23:14,026 --> 00:23:15,225 To the boat. 450 00:23:15,294 --> 00:23:18,528 - Fire suppression systems are automatically activated 451 00:23:18,598 --> 00:23:20,964 By excessive heat or smoke 452 00:23:21,033 --> 00:23:24,067 To stop engine room fires before they spread, 453 00:23:24,136 --> 00:23:27,070 Which means it's highly unlikely 454 00:23:27,072 --> 00:23:30,341 The fire on the "premium time" was accidental. 455 00:23:30,409 --> 00:23:33,176 - Ken thought the burn was suspicious, 456 00:23:33,246 --> 00:23:36,580 That this boat shouldn't have burned down. 457 00:23:36,649 --> 00:23:39,482 - We refuse to put propane on the boats 458 00:23:39,484 --> 00:23:42,085 Because it's such a fire hazard. 459 00:23:42,154 --> 00:23:46,223 And we build everything from fiberglass. 460 00:23:46,291 --> 00:23:47,858 - Fiberglass doesn't burn easily. 461 00:23:47,927 --> 00:23:49,760 You could put a blowtorch on it, 462 00:23:49,828 --> 00:23:52,696 And it won't catch fire. 463 00:23:52,764 --> 00:23:55,466 - I said, there's only one way that it could have happened. 464 00:23:55,534 --> 00:23:58,302 It's accelerants. 465 00:23:58,370 --> 00:24:00,637 - If you pour enough gasoline on it, 466 00:24:00,639 --> 00:24:03,107 You can get it to burn, and once it starts burning, 467 00:24:03,175 --> 00:24:04,508 It doesn't stop. 468 00:24:04,577 --> 00:24:06,710 [dramatic music] 469 00:24:06,779 --> 00:24:10,714 - There's no way that this is just, like, an arbitrary fire. 470 00:24:10,783 --> 00:24:12,850 This had to be intentional, 471 00:24:12,918 --> 00:24:14,418 And it had to be methodical. 472 00:24:14,486 --> 00:24:16,853 ♪ ♪ 473 00:24:16,855 --> 00:24:19,023 - And that's when they realized that it had to be arson. 474 00:24:21,326 --> 00:24:23,994 And then someone became a suspect almost immediately. 475 00:24:25,665 --> 00:24:27,798 - I told the detective, 476 00:24:27,867 --> 00:24:31,969 David trauger was a very tempestuous guy. 477 00:24:32,037 --> 00:24:35,839 He had a temper that was pretty dramatic. 478 00:24:35,841 --> 00:24:38,141 ♪ ♪ 479 00:24:38,143 --> 00:24:40,411 I thought, you know, he was enough of a jerk 480 00:24:40,479 --> 00:24:44,415 That depriving karen of that boat by burning it 481 00:24:44,483 --> 00:24:47,884 Would be something that he could come up with. 482 00:24:47,953 --> 00:24:49,352 As I recall, my quote was, 483 00:24:49,354 --> 00:24:53,356 "that son of a bitch, he burned the boat." 484 00:24:53,358 --> 00:24:55,960 ♪ ♪ 485 00:24:56,461 --> 00:25:04,368 [tense music] 486 00:25:04,436 --> 00:25:09,072 ♪ ♪ 487 00:25:09,074 --> 00:25:11,575 - After authorities determine that the fire 488 00:25:11,643 --> 00:25:13,944 On the "premium time" was indeed arson, 489 00:25:14,013 --> 00:25:16,713 They suspect that karen barnes' ex-husband, 490 00:25:16,782 --> 00:25:19,717 David trauger, may have been involved. 491 00:25:19,719 --> 00:25:21,518 [dramatic music] 492 00:25:21,587 --> 00:25:22,886 - St. Marys police department 493 00:25:22,955 --> 00:25:24,455 And the georgia bureau of investigation 494 00:25:24,523 --> 00:25:29,126 Were working in tandem in order to find david trauger. 495 00:25:29,194 --> 00:25:31,928 - I need to find david to find out what's going on. 496 00:25:31,930 --> 00:25:33,030 [siren wailing] 497 00:25:33,032 --> 00:25:34,498 Where is david trauger? 498 00:25:34,566 --> 00:25:39,269 ♪ ♪ 499 00:25:39,338 --> 00:25:41,972 - It was learned that after the divorce, 500 00:25:42,041 --> 00:25:44,007 There were police reports made 501 00:25:44,076 --> 00:25:47,811 Where david trauger was stalking karen barnes. 502 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,947 ♪ ♪ 503 00:25:51,016 --> 00:25:57,387 - In June 2012, david appeared on the boat on jekyll island. 504 00:25:57,389 --> 00:26:00,357 He tried to use his key to get in the back door. 505 00:26:00,425 --> 00:26:03,760 Karen had changed the locks at that point. 506 00:26:03,829 --> 00:26:06,597 And so she called 911. 507 00:26:08,834 --> 00:26:10,934 [radio chatter] 508 00:26:11,003 --> 00:26:14,137 - He was greeted by a police officer, 509 00:26:14,139 --> 00:26:15,906 And he was asked to leave the area, 510 00:26:15,975 --> 00:26:18,576 That it was karen's boat now, 511 00:26:18,644 --> 00:26:20,544 And that she didn't want him there. 512 00:26:20,612 --> 00:26:23,013 ♪ ♪ 513 00:26:23,082 --> 00:26:26,583 Not long after that, he's starting to follow her, 514 00:26:26,652 --> 00:26:28,485 Starting to look for her. 515 00:26:28,487 --> 00:26:32,389 He's emailing karen obsessively. 516 00:26:32,458 --> 00:26:35,359 I think this was the turning point 517 00:26:35,427 --> 00:26:38,662 For david's life, where this boat was-- 518 00:26:38,731 --> 00:26:39,930 Was his retirement plan. 519 00:26:39,999 --> 00:26:43,033 This boat was-- was something he loved. 520 00:26:43,102 --> 00:26:47,004 And I think it sets in his mind this downward spiral, 521 00:26:47,072 --> 00:26:50,407 And he really wanted his boat back. 522 00:26:51,944 --> 00:26:54,678 At the time larry and karen became friends 523 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,816 On jekyll island, karen had some safety concerns, 524 00:26:58,884 --> 00:27:02,385 So larry had actually got karen a gun 525 00:27:02,455 --> 00:27:04,621 For her protection. 526 00:27:04,689 --> 00:27:06,857 - Eventually, they made the decision 527 00:27:06,925 --> 00:27:11,028 To try to get away from jekyll island marina 528 00:27:11,096 --> 00:27:14,597 Because they didn't want to be found by david. 529 00:27:14,667 --> 00:27:16,900 - Karen and larry left jekyll, 530 00:27:16,968 --> 00:27:19,470 Came down to st. Marys. 531 00:27:19,538 --> 00:27:21,972 Larry actually stayed docked near her, 532 00:27:22,041 --> 00:27:24,074 And I think it gave her a sense of comfort, 533 00:27:24,143 --> 00:27:26,944 Having somebody there who looked out for her. 534 00:27:27,012 --> 00:27:30,848 - They selected, you know, the waters out front 535 00:27:30,916 --> 00:27:34,918 Of st. Marys marine services boatyard 536 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,756 Because it was a good place to hide. 537 00:27:38,824 --> 00:27:42,426 But david somehow manages to-- 538 00:27:42,494 --> 00:27:44,227 To find them. 539 00:27:44,296 --> 00:27:46,463 And it could have been as simple 540 00:27:46,531 --> 00:27:49,232 As him visiting the boatyard 541 00:27:49,301 --> 00:27:54,371 And just seeing "premium time" anchored out front. 542 00:27:54,439 --> 00:27:57,140 Nobody actually knows how he figured out 543 00:27:57,209 --> 00:27:58,976 Where they were, but he did. 544 00:28:00,345 --> 00:28:02,946 - Unfortunately, the stalking still ensued, 545 00:28:03,015 --> 00:28:05,715 And at that point, escalated even further. 546 00:28:05,717 --> 00:28:07,517 ♪ ♪ 547 00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:09,252 - David knew this boat in and out, 548 00:28:09,321 --> 00:28:11,422 So he could still maneuver and get on the boat. 549 00:28:14,459 --> 00:28:17,160 And at one time, david had broke into the boat 550 00:28:17,229 --> 00:28:20,097 And messed with a lot of stuff on the boat. 551 00:28:20,165 --> 00:28:21,932 Larry found that all the steering 552 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,266 Had been tampered with, 553 00:28:23,335 --> 00:28:24,902 So there was no steering on the boat. 554 00:28:26,438 --> 00:28:29,372 - Karen was sure that david had disabled the boat 555 00:28:29,441 --> 00:28:32,109 In some manner, because this was a boat 556 00:28:32,177 --> 00:28:34,011 In pristine condition. 557 00:28:36,048 --> 00:28:38,381 Also, through the investigation I learned 558 00:28:38,383 --> 00:28:41,418 That there was an incident at a grocery store. 559 00:28:43,622 --> 00:28:47,124 And it turns out that she had spotted david in the store, 560 00:28:47,192 --> 00:28:49,492 And he had been stalking her. 561 00:28:49,494 --> 00:28:52,395 ♪ ♪ 562 00:28:52,397 --> 00:28:54,264 - Because karen didn't feel safe, she filed 563 00:28:54,333 --> 00:28:57,167 A petition for family violence and stalking order. 564 00:28:57,236 --> 00:29:00,537 She was asking the court for an order 565 00:29:00,605 --> 00:29:02,205 To keep david away. 566 00:29:02,274 --> 00:29:04,307 We identified a few places 567 00:29:04,376 --> 00:29:06,777 Where we thought david was staying, 568 00:29:06,845 --> 00:29:09,112 But the sheriff never found him, 569 00:29:09,181 --> 00:29:12,349 So david was never served with a petition. 570 00:29:12,417 --> 00:29:15,718 [insects chirring] 571 00:29:15,788 --> 00:29:17,855 - Karen had actually been coming and staying with me 572 00:29:17,857 --> 00:29:20,491 So she could feel safe. 573 00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:26,529 But she actually left my house the 12th, that evening, 574 00:29:26,531 --> 00:29:29,299 Because she had to go get bags of her clothes. 575 00:29:29,368 --> 00:29:31,768 And I just knew-- just had a feeling 576 00:29:31,836 --> 00:29:33,836 Something was gonna happen. 577 00:29:33,838 --> 00:29:36,773 And I was begging her, please stay with me. 578 00:29:36,841 --> 00:29:39,843 We gave, like, the longest, biggest hug. 579 00:29:39,912 --> 00:29:44,181 And...Then she left. 580 00:29:50,956 --> 00:29:54,657 [dramatic music] 581 00:29:54,659 --> 00:29:57,895 - David trauger quickly became a suspect 582 00:29:57,897 --> 00:30:00,463 Due to the stalking reports 583 00:30:00,465 --> 00:30:03,634 And the contentious nature of their relationship. 584 00:30:03,702 --> 00:30:06,336 ♪ ♪ 585 00:30:06,338 --> 00:30:09,640 - And so now we feel confident, david's our guy. 586 00:30:09,708 --> 00:30:12,375 This was arson and murder. 587 00:30:12,377 --> 00:30:15,078 As far as we know, he's armed, unstable. 588 00:30:15,147 --> 00:30:16,646 Is he gonna kill somebody else? 589 00:30:16,648 --> 00:30:18,682 We really need to make the citizens aware. 590 00:30:18,750 --> 00:30:21,685 We have what we believe is a threat to our community. 591 00:30:21,753 --> 00:30:23,086 We need to stop david trauger. 592 00:30:23,154 --> 00:30:27,457 ♪ ♪ 593 00:30:30,628 --> 00:30:33,496 [tense music] 594 00:30:33,565 --> 00:30:35,098 ♪ ♪ 595 00:30:35,167 --> 00:30:38,067 - David trauger, the prime suspect in the shooting deaths 596 00:30:38,137 --> 00:30:40,403 Of karen barnes and larry ford, 597 00:30:40,405 --> 00:30:42,906 Is considered armed and extremely dangerous. 598 00:30:42,974 --> 00:30:46,142 So authorities form a special task force 599 00:30:46,211 --> 00:30:49,379 In hopes of catching him before anyone else gets hurt. 600 00:30:49,448 --> 00:30:52,649 ♪ ♪ 601 00:30:52,717 --> 00:30:54,517 - Once david trauger has been identified 602 00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:56,152 As the prime suspect, he's in the media. 603 00:30:56,221 --> 00:30:57,888 He's been pictured. 604 00:30:59,924 --> 00:31:02,559 And almost everyone in the local area knows 605 00:31:02,627 --> 00:31:06,797 What the guy looks like and why he's wanted. 606 00:31:06,865 --> 00:31:11,000 - This was a case that we needed that teamwork approach. 607 00:31:11,070 --> 00:31:12,402 We had, at the time, 608 00:31:12,471 --> 00:31:14,304 The camden county sheriff's office, 609 00:31:14,373 --> 00:31:16,172 The kingsland police department. 610 00:31:16,241 --> 00:31:19,209 We had the georgia bureau of investigation 611 00:31:19,278 --> 00:31:20,577 And the coast guard. 612 00:31:22,381 --> 00:31:25,349 So many people showed up to help. 613 00:31:26,985 --> 00:31:29,486 This is a manhunt for david. 614 00:31:29,554 --> 00:31:32,789 We had issued the bolo for anybody to be on the lookout 615 00:31:32,791 --> 00:31:34,091 For any signs of david. 616 00:31:34,093 --> 00:31:38,294 ♪ ♪ 617 00:31:38,296 --> 00:31:40,964 [radio chatter] 618 00:31:41,033 --> 00:31:43,967 - It was all over the news. They were trying to find him. 619 00:31:44,036 --> 00:31:45,334 They weren't sure where he was. 620 00:31:45,336 --> 00:31:48,271 They didn't know if he was, you know, in st. Marys, jekyll. 621 00:31:48,340 --> 00:31:50,007 They didn't have any idea where he was. 622 00:31:50,009 --> 00:31:51,742 ♪ ♪ 623 00:31:51,810 --> 00:31:55,712 - The police were searching for david, 624 00:31:55,780 --> 00:31:58,348 But he was evading them. 625 00:31:58,417 --> 00:32:01,184 - They can't find david. 626 00:32:01,186 --> 00:32:02,452 Is david gonna come to our boat 627 00:32:02,521 --> 00:32:04,821 And say, "hide me," or would he come kill us too 628 00:32:04,889 --> 00:32:06,189 Because we were friends with her? 629 00:32:06,257 --> 00:32:08,391 [dramatic music] 630 00:32:08,460 --> 00:32:10,994 We didn't know what to do. David was crazy. 631 00:32:11,063 --> 00:32:12,695 ♪ ♪ 632 00:32:12,697 --> 00:32:17,367 I--I have no idea what he could have been thinking. 633 00:32:17,436 --> 00:32:20,470 But he was gonna take care of things his way. 634 00:32:20,539 --> 00:32:22,439 ♪ ♪ 635 00:32:22,507 --> 00:32:24,675 - So we're driving around kingsland. 636 00:32:24,743 --> 00:32:27,744 Investigators run across a vehicle at a gas station 637 00:32:27,812 --> 00:32:31,014 That seemed to match the lookout that we had issued. 638 00:32:31,083 --> 00:32:32,816 Sure enough, it matched the vehicle 639 00:32:32,884 --> 00:32:34,418 That we were looking for. 640 00:32:37,622 --> 00:32:40,423 The discovery of this truck was very interesting. 641 00:32:40,492 --> 00:32:42,425 Why is his truck here? 642 00:32:42,494 --> 00:32:45,362 Then we decided to just take a look, the surrounding area. 643 00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:47,196 Could he be on foot? Could he be in the store? 644 00:32:47,266 --> 00:32:49,099 Could he be nearby? 645 00:32:51,536 --> 00:32:55,638 There was actually a path behind the gas station. 646 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,341 So the officers and one of the investigators 647 00:32:58,343 --> 00:33:01,444 From st. Marys went to check out the path. 648 00:33:01,513 --> 00:33:04,414 Not too far into the path, lo and behold, 649 00:33:04,483 --> 00:33:06,783 There is a holster covered in blood. 650 00:33:08,387 --> 00:33:11,321 But the gun is missing. 651 00:33:11,390 --> 00:33:14,457 There's a few dollar bills bloodied on the ground. 652 00:33:14,526 --> 00:33:17,761 There's a wallet, and then there's an id card. 653 00:33:17,829 --> 00:33:20,931 And the id card belongs to david trauger. 654 00:33:20,999 --> 00:33:25,434 ♪ ♪ 655 00:33:25,436 --> 00:33:29,072 When we find david's belongings in the woods, 656 00:33:29,141 --> 00:33:31,340 Everything shifts. 657 00:33:31,410 --> 00:33:34,411 I'm literally, like, boots on the ground, 658 00:33:34,479 --> 00:33:36,345 Going through the woods. 659 00:33:36,415 --> 00:33:39,348 [suspenseful music] 660 00:33:39,418 --> 00:33:41,250 I am hunting david 661 00:33:41,252 --> 00:33:44,921 Like a predator going after its prey. 662 00:33:44,923 --> 00:33:47,223 Is he gonna stay shallow in the woods? 663 00:33:47,292 --> 00:33:49,092 What path is he gonna take? 664 00:33:49,161 --> 00:33:51,728 ♪ ♪ 665 00:33:51,796 --> 00:33:53,596 And we walked the woods, 666 00:33:53,598 --> 00:33:55,398 Just searching, searching, searching, 667 00:33:55,466 --> 00:33:58,402 Everywhere we could think that david might go. 668 00:34:00,705 --> 00:34:03,773 Where would a 67, 68-year-old man go? 669 00:34:03,842 --> 00:34:06,643 Would he get tired? Where might he rest? 670 00:34:06,711 --> 00:34:09,412 And we searched the first night. 671 00:34:09,481 --> 00:34:11,782 The next day starts, we search again. 672 00:34:13,485 --> 00:34:15,718 And there's officers searching everywhere. 673 00:34:15,787 --> 00:34:17,587 There's just people out helping. 674 00:34:20,259 --> 00:34:22,692 And then the phone calls start coming in from the citizens. 675 00:34:22,761 --> 00:34:25,095 [phone rings] 676 00:34:26,565 --> 00:34:28,298 - Police get a call from a witness 677 00:34:28,300 --> 00:34:29,833 Who says he's seen david trauger 678 00:34:29,901 --> 00:34:32,468 Near the apartment complex where he was living. 679 00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:34,036 [phone rings] 680 00:34:34,106 --> 00:34:36,773 - "hey, there's a guy here. 681 00:34:36,841 --> 00:34:39,176 "looks like the guy on the news. 682 00:34:39,244 --> 00:34:41,278 He's an older gentleman." 683 00:34:41,346 --> 00:34:42,679 We have our walkie-talkies 684 00:34:42,747 --> 00:34:44,414 And we're deep in the middle of the woods, 685 00:34:44,483 --> 00:34:46,749 As far away from our cars as possible. 686 00:34:46,818 --> 00:34:50,353 And we're running back, racing to get to our cars. 687 00:34:50,422 --> 00:34:53,390 ♪ ♪ 688 00:34:53,458 --> 00:34:56,025 And by the time we get back to our car 689 00:34:56,094 --> 00:34:57,460 And we get into the area, 690 00:34:57,528 --> 00:34:59,262 The other law enforcement officers already have 691 00:34:59,331 --> 00:35:01,131 A pretty decent perimeter set. 692 00:35:04,569 --> 00:35:07,204 We were all holding our position at the perimeter. 693 00:35:07,272 --> 00:35:09,071 ♪ ♪ 694 00:35:09,141 --> 00:35:13,442 - David trauger comes out of the apartment building. 695 00:35:13,444 --> 00:35:16,079 - When you box an animal into a corner, 696 00:35:16,147 --> 00:35:18,181 What are they gonna do? 697 00:35:18,249 --> 00:35:20,617 I can just feel my heart beat. 698 00:35:20,685 --> 00:35:22,385 Something's about to happen. 699 00:35:22,454 --> 00:35:25,689 ♪ ♪ 700 00:35:27,291 --> 00:35:35,264 [tense music] 701 00:35:35,334 --> 00:35:37,234 ♪ ♪ 702 00:35:37,302 --> 00:35:40,570 - After an exhaustive search, authorities have located 703 00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:43,640 Armed murder suspect david trauger 704 00:35:43,708 --> 00:35:47,543 And have him surrounded at a local apartment complex. 705 00:35:47,612 --> 00:35:49,879 [dramatic music] 706 00:35:49,948 --> 00:35:52,214 - We're holding our position at the perimeter. 707 00:35:52,216 --> 00:35:53,650 And you just have that sense of, 708 00:35:53,718 --> 00:35:56,019 Something's gonna happen, and your heart's beating fast. 709 00:35:56,087 --> 00:35:58,889 ♪ ♪ 710 00:35:58,957 --> 00:36:01,791 - David trauger comes out of the apartment building. 711 00:36:01,860 --> 00:36:06,563 ♪ ♪ 712 00:36:06,631 --> 00:36:08,265 - He did pull out a pistol 713 00:36:08,267 --> 00:36:11,568 And raised and pointed that pistol at law enforcement. 714 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,207 - You heard one gunshot... [gunshot] 715 00:36:18,209 --> 00:36:19,976 Followed by a brief pause. 716 00:36:21,446 --> 00:36:22,712 - David fired first. 717 00:36:22,781 --> 00:36:24,881 That's all the georgia police needed 718 00:36:24,949 --> 00:36:26,449 To unload on him. 719 00:36:26,518 --> 00:36:28,017 [gunfire] 720 00:36:28,086 --> 00:36:31,188 David was hit several times 721 00:36:31,256 --> 00:36:33,223 And killed on the spot. 722 00:36:34,759 --> 00:36:36,426 For good measure, they handcuffed him. 723 00:36:37,963 --> 00:36:39,429 - That's it. 724 00:36:39,497 --> 00:36:40,897 Manhunt's over. 725 00:36:46,371 --> 00:36:50,006 If david wants to engage in suicide by cop or he wants 726 00:36:50,074 --> 00:36:52,075 To do something reckless, that's david's choice. 727 00:36:52,143 --> 00:36:54,644 I just want all the police officers to go home. 728 00:36:54,713 --> 00:36:57,747 [soft dramatic music] 729 00:36:57,815 --> 00:37:00,383 ♪ ♪ 730 00:37:00,452 --> 00:37:02,852 - I found out that david had been 731 00:37:02,921 --> 00:37:04,954 In a shoot-out with the police. 732 00:37:05,023 --> 00:37:07,857 My uncle called me and said, they got him. 733 00:37:07,926 --> 00:37:09,793 [sighs] 734 00:37:11,429 --> 00:37:14,164 Kind of disappointed 735 00:37:14,232 --> 00:37:17,566 That he died that way, 736 00:37:17,568 --> 00:37:22,438 Because you can't get to tell him what he's done to you, 737 00:37:22,507 --> 00:37:25,308 To tell him his victim impact statement. 738 00:37:25,376 --> 00:37:29,445 - When we heard that it was suicide by cop, 739 00:37:29,514 --> 00:37:32,616 It was such a relief to us. 740 00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:39,255 - During the course of the day, 741 00:37:39,323 --> 00:37:40,657 As everything was unfolding, 742 00:37:40,725 --> 00:37:43,059 I was able to inventory the contents 743 00:37:43,128 --> 00:37:45,361 Found in david's truck. 744 00:37:45,363 --> 00:37:49,432 And I recovered, like, suicide notes inside of them. 745 00:37:49,501 --> 00:37:54,204 There was documentation that he purchased a small boat, 746 00:37:54,272 --> 00:37:58,308 As well as letters for where he wanted property to go. 747 00:37:59,711 --> 00:38:02,178 - Police found evidence that indicated 748 00:38:02,246 --> 00:38:06,283 That he was contemplating a suicide by cop scenario. 749 00:38:07,419 --> 00:38:11,854 - I think david was losing control of his pride and joy, 750 00:38:11,923 --> 00:38:14,124 Which was the "premium time," 751 00:38:14,192 --> 00:38:16,926 Along with his wife. 752 00:38:18,830 --> 00:38:21,497 - I think this is where he starts to develop this plan 753 00:38:21,566 --> 00:38:24,433 Of her end-of-life plan and his end-of-life plan. 754 00:38:24,503 --> 00:38:27,069 [tense music] 755 00:38:27,139 --> 00:38:29,005 The next day, I received a call 756 00:38:29,073 --> 00:38:32,041 That david's small boat is actually found 757 00:38:32,043 --> 00:38:35,578 In somebody else's backyard a little ways down the river, 758 00:38:35,646 --> 00:38:37,379 And that it had been spray-painted black, 759 00:38:37,381 --> 00:38:40,283 And that there were spray-painted black gas cans 760 00:38:40,351 --> 00:38:42,451 And cinder blocks sitting inside of it. 761 00:38:42,521 --> 00:38:44,087 ♪ ♪ 762 00:38:44,155 --> 00:38:46,989 I think it shows his efficiency as a navigator 763 00:38:47,058 --> 00:38:50,059 And his willingness to go to great lengths 764 00:38:50,061 --> 00:38:52,529 To commit terrible things to karen. 765 00:38:54,332 --> 00:38:56,899 We weren't there, and now we can't ask david, 766 00:38:56,968 --> 00:38:59,836 We can't ask karen, and we can't ask larry. 767 00:38:59,904 --> 00:39:04,040 But when I look back to the morning of August 13, 2012, 768 00:39:04,109 --> 00:39:06,409 You can't help but try to piece together 769 00:39:06,477 --> 00:39:07,943 What you think really happened. 770 00:39:08,013 --> 00:39:10,947 ♪ ♪ 771 00:39:11,015 --> 00:39:15,618 - Investigators believe david put his johnboat in the water. 772 00:39:15,686 --> 00:39:18,020 A johnboat is a swamp boat 773 00:39:18,022 --> 00:39:20,690 In florida and georgia and other parts of the south. 774 00:39:22,761 --> 00:39:25,295 He put cinder blocks in the front of the boat, 775 00:39:25,363 --> 00:39:28,197 And this is believed to have been a way of keeping the boat 776 00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:30,800 From slapping as it was pushed through the water, 777 00:39:30,869 --> 00:39:33,103 And thus drawing attention to it. 778 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,941 - Swamp boats are flat-bottomed watercraft 779 00:39:39,010 --> 00:39:42,044 That are used to navigate marshy or shallow waters. 780 00:39:42,113 --> 00:39:45,181 As they move, water hits the bottom of the vessel, 781 00:39:45,249 --> 00:39:47,583 Creating a lapping sound. 782 00:39:47,652 --> 00:39:49,485 It seems trauger knew cinder blocks would 783 00:39:49,554 --> 00:39:51,220 Weigh down his boat, 784 00:39:51,289 --> 00:39:54,090 Therein greatly reducing that noise. 785 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,060 - Police believe he piloted his johnboat 786 00:39:58,062 --> 00:40:00,130 To where "premium time" was anchored. 787 00:40:02,366 --> 00:40:03,599 They've got the doors locked, 788 00:40:03,668 --> 00:40:05,535 But he manages to get in anyway. 789 00:40:07,739 --> 00:40:09,973 When he gets in, they wake up. 790 00:40:13,611 --> 00:40:15,044 They're at gunpoint. 791 00:40:15,113 --> 00:40:16,045 [gunshots] 792 00:40:16,113 --> 00:40:17,747 They're shot. 793 00:40:19,584 --> 00:40:21,083 [gunshot rings] 794 00:40:21,152 --> 00:40:23,853 ♪ ♪ 795 00:40:23,922 --> 00:40:25,722 David spreads the gasoline around... 796 00:40:29,561 --> 00:40:30,927 Lights it on fire. 797 00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:38,301 - At some point, karen has her phone, 798 00:40:38,369 --> 00:40:39,969 And she calls 911. 799 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,208 I think that phone call was her last hope, 800 00:40:46,210 --> 00:40:48,144 And we just couldn't get there fast enough. 801 00:40:50,882 --> 00:40:53,616 That's a very torturous death. 802 00:40:53,685 --> 00:40:56,619 [somber music] 803 00:40:56,688 --> 00:40:59,155 ♪ ♪ 804 00:40:59,223 --> 00:41:01,791 - This tragic case was ultimately solved 805 00:41:01,860 --> 00:41:04,294 With the assistance of many heroic people. 806 00:41:04,362 --> 00:41:08,431 The boat manufacturer armed detectives with details that 807 00:41:08,499 --> 00:41:12,268 Helped classify the crime as a double homicide and arson, 808 00:41:12,337 --> 00:41:15,671 And good old-fashioned police work quickly identified 809 00:41:15,740 --> 00:41:18,808 David trauger as the likely perp. 810 00:41:18,877 --> 00:41:21,711 Amazingly, interagency coordination 811 00:41:21,713 --> 00:41:23,913 And an immediate response by the task force 812 00:41:23,982 --> 00:41:26,215 Kicked off a manhunt that caught up 813 00:41:26,217 --> 00:41:29,085 To the violent killer in just two days. 814 00:41:29,153 --> 00:41:34,190 ♪ ♪ 815 00:41:34,258 --> 00:41:37,860 - Larry ford is the most innocent in all of this. 816 00:41:37,929 --> 00:41:40,329 He was really just trying to be a gentleman, 817 00:41:40,398 --> 00:41:41,698 And he was able to help. 818 00:41:43,768 --> 00:41:45,868 - Anybody would have helped karen, 819 00:41:45,937 --> 00:41:49,438 And he was glad for the opportunity to help her. 820 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,208 They didn't deserve to die. 821 00:41:52,276 --> 00:41:54,710 - What I want to say is, 822 00:41:54,779 --> 00:41:58,047 For victims to trust their instincts, 823 00:41:58,116 --> 00:42:02,184 And to know that a piece of paper, 824 00:42:02,186 --> 00:42:06,923 An order for protection, is not going to protect you. 825 00:42:06,991 --> 00:42:09,491 I wish there was more that could be done 826 00:42:09,561 --> 00:42:11,193 For victims of stalking, 827 00:42:11,262 --> 00:42:14,230 Especially in cases like karen's. 828 00:42:15,900 --> 00:42:18,767 - A restraining order isn't gonna do anything. 829 00:42:18,837 --> 00:42:20,770 This all should have been prevented, 830 00:42:20,838 --> 00:42:23,439 If they'd have just found him 831 00:42:23,508 --> 00:42:25,708 When all the stalking and everything was going on 832 00:42:25,710 --> 00:42:28,177 And put him in jail. 833 00:42:28,246 --> 00:42:30,713 We lost a really wonderful person. 64715

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