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WILLIAM SHATNER:
A lake where a shockingly
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high number of people
have drowned.
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An ancient tomb
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that is guarded by the soul
of an evil warlord.
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And objects with the power
to harm anyone
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who touches them.
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All over the world,
there are places and objects
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that are thought to be cursed.
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But are curses simply
the product of our need to find
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reasons for tragedies
that we can't explain?
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Or could they actually be real?
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Well, that is what
we'll try and find out.
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SHATNER:
Deep within this mountain
range lies Lake Lanier.
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Millions of people venture
to this popular vacation spot
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Millions of people venture
to this popular vacation spot
to relax and unwind
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to relax and unwind
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despite the fact that every year
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despite the fact that every year
a shocking number
of people drown
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a shocking number
of people drown
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within its placid waters...
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...and many of their bodies
are never seen again.
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LISA RUSSELL:
If you live anywhere
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near Lake Lanier
in North Georgia,
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you're gonna hear,
every summer, all of the deaths.
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There are bad boating accidents.
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And when somebody
goes overboard,
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it's almost impossible to
find them before they drown.
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BUCK BUCHANAN:
Lake Lanier, from the surface,
looks clear.
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But we hear time and time again
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when we respond to
these drownings,
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people would say that,
"He didn't go into the water,
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"come up, struggle, and drown.
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He went in
and never came back up."
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And this happens
time and time again.
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And this happens
time and time again.
This lake seems to take people
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This lake seems to take people
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in one gulp.
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MITCH HOROWITZ:
Lake Lanier is 26 miles long,
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MITCH HOROWITZ:
Lake Lanier is 26 miles long,
it has 700 miles of shorefront.
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it has 700 miles of shorefront.
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And it's tempting to
attribute the inordinate
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number of fatalities
to the size of the lake.
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number of fatalities
to the size of the lake.
The fact is,
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The fact is,
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there are lakes of commensurate
size in Northern Georgia...
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...that don't have
half that number
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...that don't have
half that number
of fatalities or accidents.
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of fatalities or accidents.
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So, clearly, there is
something about Lake Lanier
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So, clearly, there is
something about Lake Lanier
that is cause for alarm.
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that is cause for alarm.
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SHATNER:
Since the 1950s,
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it is estimated that
more than 600 people
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have lost their lives
in Lake Lanier.
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It is such a staggering
number of fatalities that,
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for decades, many
have come to believe
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that these waters may be cursed.
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RUSSELL:
Even though there's
a lot of people around,
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there's just some
strange vibe about the lake.
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I feel it's a majestic
body of water,
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but you can't deny that there's
something odd about Lake Lanier.
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BUCHANAN:
When you actually
get into Lanier...
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...you get a feeling
that you're not alone,
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when you should be alone.
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I don't feel like someone's
reaching out to grab me,
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but the water feels
thicker than it should.
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And what I mean by that is,
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a lady fell out of a boat,
and we actually witnessed it.
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And we ran over there
and pulled her out of the water
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and she was very upset,
and she said,
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"I'm so embarrassed,"
and I said,
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"Don't worry, we see people
do this all the time."
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And she said,
"No, you don't understand.
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I'm a lifeguard."
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And she said just when she
found herself in that water,
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And she said just when she
found herself in that water,
it was just like molasses.
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it was just like molasses.
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So all the things
that we see in this lake,
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it finally got so bad and
scared the locals so much,
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that we think
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maybe we're just stuck with
a curse we have to live with.
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SHATNER:
Could the numerous fatalities
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that have taken place
at Lake Lanier
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that have taken place
at Lake Lanier
be the result of a curse?
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be the result of a curse?
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be the result of a curse?
It may sound
far-fetched to some.
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It may sound
far-fetched to some.
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But for decades,
researchers have been examining
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But for decades,
researchers have been examining
the possibility that Lake Lanier
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the possibility that Lake Lanier
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could be harboring
the power to inflict harm.
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And according to
their investigations,
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it may have something to do
with the history of Lake Lanier.
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JASON OCKER:
Lake Lanier is the largest
lake in Georgia.
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It's a man-made lake
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meant to provide water and power
to the surrounding communities.
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They actually made it
by flooding a valley
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that had a town in it,
Oscarville.
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So, they had to relocate
the people that lived there
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and then they just drowned
the entire town under water.
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SHATNER:
Oscarville wasn't the only town
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that was affected by
the building of Lake Lanier.
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In the 1940s and 50s,
the U.S. government acquired
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the rights to more than 56,000
acres of land in Forsyth,
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Hall and Dawson counties
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to make room for
the 38,000-acre lake
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and more than
700 miles of shoreline.
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This included several
small towns,
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and the remains
of these communities
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are still submerged beneath
the surface of Lake Lanier.
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BUCHANAN:
When they built the lake,
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they left tons of
structure in the water.
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We've got concrete,
roads, bridges.
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We've got
a racetrack under there.
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We've got standing timber
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that stands as high as 40,
60, 70 feet from the bottom.
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HOROWITZ:
There seems to be a great
deal of debris in the water,
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so it's not
an ideal place for people
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to be swimming or boating,
or jet skiing, or partying.
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The fact is,
it's a dangerous place.
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SHATNER:
Authorities claim that many
people drown in Lake Lanier
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because they get
caught in the debris
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lurking beneath its surface.
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But researchers
studying the lake
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believe this is only
part of the story.
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And that the source
of the dark force
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drawing people down
into its murky depths
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is a Native American
burial ground
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that was submerged
by the lake's construction.
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Back in 2007 there was a drought
and the water went way low.
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And because of that,
they found an area
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called the Summerour Mound,
Indian Mounds.
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It's considered a sacred area
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that belonged
to the Native Americans,
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the Creeks and the Cherokees.
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Lake Lanier was built
by the Army Corps of Engineers,
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and according to
the Army Corps of Engineers,
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and according to
the Army Corps of Engineers,
they removed all the bodies
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they removed all the bodies
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while they were
creating Lake Lanier.
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But back when they were
building these lakes,
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they didn't have
ground-penetrating equipment.
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So there's a great likelihood
that there are bodies
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of the Native Americans
under the waters of Lake Lanier.
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SHATNER:
Could the presence of
Native American remains
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SHATNER:
Could the presence of
Native American remains
beneath Lake Lanier
have a connection
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beneath Lake Lanier
have a connection
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to the unusual number
of accidental deaths there?
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Has the Native American
belief in the power
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of ancestral spirits
cursed Lake Lanier?
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TOK THOMPSON:
Certainly among Native American
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TOK THOMPSON:
Certainly among Native American
traditions, we have a widespread
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traditions, we have a widespread
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belief in curses,
particularly land-based curses.
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And this connects to an overall
sort of belief in animism,
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that the material world is
infused with spiritual aspects.
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Now, many Native American
traditions have long-standing,
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very deep beliefs about
how to treat dead bodies
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and how not to disturb them and
how not to disturb burial sites.
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The desecration of those
is held in Native communities
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to bring on a lot
of bad spiritual energy.
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SHATNER:
Is it possible that Lake Lanier
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is home to
dark spiritual energy?
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Perhaps.
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But what's most surprising
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is that even though
this lake may be cursed,
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people continue to enter
its waters every day.
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BUCHANAN:
There's world-class divers
that will not dive Lake Lanier.
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We have 11 to 14 million
people a year
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that are coming here
and taking their chances
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in spite of the fact that
there has been somewhere
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between 600 and 700
drownings on this lake.
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I'm not saying
that there's a curse,
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but I'm saying there's
definitely some bad energy.
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And if it's not cursed,
maybe it should be.
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Can disturbing the sanctity
of human remains
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Can disturbing the sanctity
of human remains
actually unleash a deadly curse?
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actually unleash a deadly curse?
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Well, there are those
who believe that
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when archaeologists tampered
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with the tomb of
an ancient warlord,
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they triggered one
that was so strong,
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it changed the course
of human history.
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SHATNER: Near the center of this
ancient city in Central Asia,
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is a mausoleum known
as Gur-e Amir.
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It is also known as
the Tomb of the King...
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...because inside
its magnificent dome
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lie the remains
of one of the most feared
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rulers in history.
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Tamerlane the Great.
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RICHARD SPENCE:
Tamerlane was often credited
as being the last of the great
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Asiatic conquerors
in the mold of Genghis Khan.
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He started off basically
as a minor tribal leader
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and then he embarked
upon a 35-year career
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of constant war and conquest...
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of constant war and conquest...
-(clamoring)
-...during which
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-(clamoring)
-...during which
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he's often credited with
exterminating five percent
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of the world's population.
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Tamerlane was very adept at
psychological warfare
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and putting his adversary
on the wrong foot.
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His most chilling battlefield
signature was the erection of
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His most chilling battlefield
signature was the erection of
large numbers of towers around
the city he'd just conquered.
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large numbers of towers around
the city he'd just conquered.
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And these towers were made up
from the decapitated heads...
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...of the victims
of the latest conquest.
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A really awful warning
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to anyone else who might
think about rebelling.
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"This is the fate
that awaits you
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"if you even think about
any opposition.
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I will destroy you
and destroy your city."
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SHATNER:
In 1405, Tamerlane died
of a fever at the age of 69.
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By that time, his empire
stretched from Siberia
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to the Mediterranean Sea.
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to the Mediterranean Sea.
But some claim
that even in death,
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But some claim
that even in death,
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Tamerlane wasn't finished
exerting his power on the world
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because his tomb
is believed to be protected
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because his tomb
is believed to be protected
by a deadly curse.
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by a deadly curse.
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Certain people attain
that level of, you know,
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absolutely terrifying,
vicious person.
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Something is evil in them,
so when they die,
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whatever it is
that makes them evil,
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a lot of people think
it still exists.
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And where would it be?
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It would be
wherever the body is,
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so in the tomb of Tamerlane...
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...would be this evil presence
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that's now still
terrifying in his death.
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SHATNER:
For centuries,
Tamerlane's tomb was untouched
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by archaeologists,
for fear of unleashing
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the dark forces inside.
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But 80 years ago, his tomb
was finally disturbed,
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and there are those
who believe that it set off
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a chain of events that changed
the course of history.
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Under the orders of
Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin,
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Russian archaeologists enter
Tamerlane's mausoleum
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and open his tomb.
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MAROZZI:
Stalin was interested
in the clues
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behind Tamerlane's greatness.
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Tamerlane was such
an incredibly powerful man...
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...whose career had been
one of bloodshed and savagery.
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And Stalin wanted to
send a very strong message
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that he was
a 20th-century equivalent.
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STEAVU:
When the expedition
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arrived on-site, they were told,
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"Tamerlane's tomb has remained
undisturbed for centuries."
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And not to open the tomb,
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that if they did, something
terrible would happen.
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Of course, the expedition
proceeded to open the tomb...
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...and this very powerful
smell of frankincense,
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...and this very powerful
smell of frankincense,
of rose oil and camphor suddenly
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of rose oil and camphor suddenly
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burst forth
and envelops the expedition.
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Some of the members of the
expedition believe that it was
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the smell of a curse.
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MAROZZI:
There are, supposedly,
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two inscriptions
on the tomb of Tamerlane.
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The first inscription reads:
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The second inscription read:
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And that's an indication
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this is a sacred resting place.
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This is not somewhere
to be trifled with.
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It was not something that-that
should even be entertained.
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SPENCE:
The body was removed
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and it was taken back
to Leningrad
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and it was taken back
to Leningrad
where the remains were
being studied
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where the remains were
being studied
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where the remains were
being studied
at that point in time.
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at that point in time.
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One of the things
that was in the paper
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was a picture of
a Soviet archaeologist
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was a picture of
a Soviet archaeologist
holding the skull of Tamerlane.
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holding the skull of Tamerlane.
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And in the article
accompanying this,
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And in the article
accompanying this,
there is a reference that
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there is a reference that
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there were locals who were
disturbed about this.
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SHATNER:
On June 22, 1941,
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two days after Tamerlane's
tomb was opened,
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Russia was hit
with a surprise attack
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by Germany, its supposed ally.
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Over three million Nazi troops
marched into Russia
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in the most massive
invasion in history.
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Nazi Germany invaded
the Soviet Union
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without any warning.
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Up until then, there had been
a pact of nonaggression,
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so this came as quite
a surprise to the Soviet Union.
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The Nazis called this surprise
attack Operation Barbarossa.
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And they were very swift and
overwhelming in their attacks,
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and they managed to get
very far into the Soviet Union,
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rather quickly,
causing great devastation
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and loss of life to the Soviets.
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Tamerlane's body is removed
from its tomb on the 20th,
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and the Eastern Front
erupts in flames two days later.
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Remember, there was a curse.
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"Whosoever will disturb
my tomb will unleash
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an invader worse than I."
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So a lot of people would say
the synchronicity
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between the removal of
Tamerlane's body from his tomb
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and the launching
of Operation Barbarossa
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isn't an accident.
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SHATNER:
As German troops continued
to overpower Russian forces,
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SHATNER:
As German troops continued
to overpower Russian forces,
Stalin's advisors
began to question
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Stalin's advisors
began to question
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if the curse of Tamerlane's tomb
had been unleashed.
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They urged him to return
Tamerlane's remains
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to Uzbekistan
in the desperate hope
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that it would turn
the tide of battle.
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And to their astonishment...
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And to their astonishment...
it worked.
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it worked.
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Tamerlane's remains
are put back in,
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in December of 1942.
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But the whole course of the war
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at the Eastern Front changes
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and from that point on,
it's just one long
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nightmare retreat
for the Germans
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back to Berlin in April 1945.
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SHATNER:
Is it possible that returning
Tamerlane's remains to his tomb
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broke the curse that triggered
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Hitler's invasion
of the Soviet Union?
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For many, the evidence
is hard to ignore.
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MAROZZI:
I think for those who subscribe
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to what we call
the Curse of Tamerlane,
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there are these
two great coincidences.
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Coincidence one,
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the tomb is opened against all
the objections of the Uzbeks,
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Hitler invades the Soviet Union.
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Coincidence number two,
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Tamerlane is reinterred
with full burial rights,
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Tamerlane is reinterred
with full burial rights,
Hitler is defeated.
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Hitler is defeated.
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So it comes full circle.
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So it comes full circle.
Two coincidences, or two proofs
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Two coincidences, or two proofs
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that the curse
was absolutely for real.
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Take your pick.
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The idea that the curse
of Tamerlane's tomb
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somehow brought about
the Nazi invasion of Russia
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is unsettling, to say the least.
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But curses that don't have
such far-reaching implications
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are no less alarming.
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Consider the case
of a hotel in Los Angeles
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where, for decades, there were
dozens of guests who checked in,
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but never checked out.
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SHATNER: Numerous guests
staying at the Cecil Hotel
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file complaints
about low water pressure.
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A maintenance worker
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is dispatched to check
the water tanks
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located on the hotel's roof
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where he makes
a shocking discovery.
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Floating facedown
in one of the water tanks
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is the decomposing body
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of 21-year-old
hotel guest, Elisa Lam.
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On the last day of 2012,
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On the last day of 2012,
New Year's Eve,
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New Year's Eve,
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was the last time
she was seen alive.
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Elisa Lam was caught by
the camera in the elevator.
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And then she disappears.
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The LAPD, they released
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The LAPD, they released
a video of Elisa Lam
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a video of Elisa Lam
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and it's a really bizarre,
bizarre video.
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She's seen going in
and out of an elevator,
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she seems to be interacting
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or playing hide-and-seek
with someone.
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She's frantically, erratically,
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pushing all the buttons
in the elevator.
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And then,
she was found facedown...
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...inside a sealed water tank
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...inside a sealed water tank
at the roof of the hotel.
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at the roof of the hotel.
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SHATNER:
After conducting
an investigation,
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the Los Angeles County
Coroner ruled
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that Elisa Lam's
death was an accident.
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But the bizarre circumstances
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surrounding her case led
some researchers to believe
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that something more
insidious had taken place.
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And that Elisa Lam was actually
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the latest victim
of a deadly curse
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that plagues the Cecil Hotel.
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Since it first opened in 1924,
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an alarming number of people
have taken their lives
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while staying there,
earning it the nickname
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"the Suicide Hotel."
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HOROWITZ:
The Cecil Hotel
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is a Beaux Arts structure.
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It was built in the style
of grand American hotels.
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Back in its day,
it was quite beautiful,
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with columns, marble floors,
an expansive lobby,
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and it was intended to be
a very high-class hotel
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for an upwardly
mobile clientele.
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BARTLETT: All hotels
have deaths in them,
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but for some reason,
the Cecil Hotel
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seems to have far much
more than the average number.
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When I was doing my research,
I found 17 suicides
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within the newspaper archives
that linked to the hotel.
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And those are just
reported ones.
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And those are just
reported ones.
Now, it doesn't
sound like a lot,
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Now, it doesn't
sound like a lot,
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but compared to
all the other hotels,
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I would find maybe one or two,
almost without exception.
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So it makes this
particular hotel stand out.
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EBNER:
The Cecil Hotel had only
been open a few short years...
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...and the sheer
number of suicides
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was already coming to a peak.
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W.K. Norton, he poisoned
himself in his room.
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And Army medic
Sergeant Louis D. Borden,
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he surgically slit his own
throat in the hotel room.
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The list of unexplained deaths
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goes on and on and on.
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And people were like,
thinking, "Wow,
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"could it be something
about the Cecil Hotel
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that triggered this kind
of insane behavior?"
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There are certain
places that seem to attract
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an inordinate amount
of violent activity.
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It's very easy for us to talk
in terms of coincidence
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00:21:07,734 --> 00:21:10,573
when we're discussing curses.
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But if people hear that there
was an act of violence,
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suicide at a certain place,
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that seems to spark something
in the human imagination
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including in the most
negative sense.
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Hence, we have the phenomena of
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people being attracted
to certain spots.
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You might use the expression,
"I don't like the energy
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You might use the expression,
"I don't like the energy
coming off of that place."
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coming off of that place."
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We use it metaphorically,
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00:21:36,926 --> 00:21:39,598
although there may be
something actual to it.
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SHATNER:
What is it about certain
places such as the Cecil Hotel
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that causes people to
harm themselves or others?
436
00:21:49,685 --> 00:21:52,089
Could they really be cursed?
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00:21:53,491 --> 00:21:56,231
Some researchers claim that
if there is a dark energy
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at the Cecil Hotel,
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00:21:58,368 --> 00:22:01,909
it may have already
existed at this site
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00:22:01,909 --> 00:22:01,976
it may have already
existed at this site
long before the hotel was built.
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00:22:01,976 --> 00:22:04,380
long before the hotel was built.
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00:22:05,850 --> 00:22:08,455
Another interesting aspect
of curses and cursed places
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00:22:08,522 --> 00:22:10,960
particularly is that
there's always a reason
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00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:10,994
particularly is that
there's always a reason
of why this became cursed.
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of why this became cursed.
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00:22:15,068 --> 00:22:17,307
So for example, in L.A.,
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this has been
a very contentious area
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00:22:19,377 --> 00:22:21,882
for a long time, ever since
the initial colonization.
449
00:22:23,118 --> 00:22:27,193
So the local tribe, the Tongva
tribe, suffered greatly.
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(shouting)
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00:22:28,863 --> 00:22:32,370
They were pretty much
massacred at the hands
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00:22:32,436 --> 00:22:34,908
of the Spanish colonists
who arrived in this area.
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00:22:36,077 --> 00:22:40,352
Or later, in 1871, where
they have the Chinatown massacre
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where this was
an ethnic-driven violence
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00:22:42,924 --> 00:22:46,397
perpetrated against
the Chinese community in L.A.
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00:22:46,464 --> 00:22:49,504
that had been established here,
and it was horrific.
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00:22:50,506 --> 00:22:53,813
The idea is that there's
a curse on this area
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that reflects these
atrocities and that
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00:22:56,417 --> 00:22:58,422
the curse is not gonna be lifted
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00:22:58,488 --> 00:23:01,295
as long as those atrocities
are not accounted for.
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00:23:02,631 --> 00:23:06,071
SHATNER:
Is it possible that the dark
history of the Cecil Hotel
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was caused by a violent
energy permeating the area?
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00:23:10,980 --> 00:23:12,951
True or not,
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00:23:13,018 --> 00:23:18,395
the Cecil Hotel nevertheless
closed its doors in 2017
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as a result of
its sinister reputation.
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as a result of
its sinister reputation.
A lot of people, of course,
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A lot of people, of course,
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00:23:24,741 --> 00:23:27,146
roll their eyes
at the idea of a curse.
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00:23:28,816 --> 00:23:31,722
But if you gave a person
the option of spending
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a night alone in a place
that was rumored to be cursed,
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a night alone in a place
that was rumored to be cursed,
like the Cecil,
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00:23:34,829 --> 00:23:36,566
like the Cecil,
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00:23:36,598 --> 00:23:39,571
most of the people who roll
their eyes would probably pause,
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00:23:39,738 --> 00:23:43,044
given such a macabre history.
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00:23:44,614 --> 00:23:48,823
Is it possible for a place
to be imbued with dark energy?
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00:23:49,891 --> 00:23:52,698
In the case of the Cecil Hotel,
it certainly seems possible.
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00:23:52,831 --> 00:23:55,670
But there are also
many who believe
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00:23:55,737 --> 00:23:59,512
that objects
can carry curses, too.
479
00:23:59,611 --> 00:24:01,447
For instance,
there's a sports car
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00:24:01,548 --> 00:24:03,986
that has a reputation
for killing its drivers,
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00:24:04,020 --> 00:24:08,529
including one of the most
iconic movie stars of all time.
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SHATNER:
At 5:45 in the afternoon,
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00:24:16,812 --> 00:24:21,354
a brand-new
1955 Porsche 550 Spyder
484
00:24:21,522 --> 00:24:24,427
traveling west on US 466
485
00:24:24,561 --> 00:24:27,600
collides with an oncoming sedan.
486
00:24:29,638 --> 00:24:33,211
The impact instantly
kills the driver of the Porsche.
487
00:24:33,211 --> 00:24:33,278
The impact instantly
kills the driver of the Porsche.
News of the ill-fated accident
488
00:24:33,278 --> 00:24:34,849
News of the ill-fated accident
489
00:24:34,915 --> 00:24:38,756
sends shockwaves
around the world because...
490
00:24:39,791 --> 00:24:41,428
...the driver was none other
491
00:24:41,528 --> 00:24:45,737
than the iconic American
actor James Dean.
492
00:24:47,239 --> 00:24:48,977
At the time of his death,
493
00:24:49,076 --> 00:24:52,049
James Dean was definitely
the one to watch.
494
00:24:53,218 --> 00:24:56,592
He had his debut
movie star performance
495
00:24:56,792 --> 00:24:58,897
in East of Eden,
496
00:24:59,029 --> 00:25:01,869
and he had two
other movies in the can,
497
00:25:01,969 --> 00:25:06,512
and he was launched
into becoming the face
498
00:25:06,678 --> 00:25:09,751
of rebellious Hollywood.
499
00:25:09,885 --> 00:25:12,356
But all that came
to a crashing end
500
00:25:12,557 --> 00:25:16,130
on September 30, 1955.
501
00:25:17,834 --> 00:25:20,473
SHATNER: James Dean's
death behind the wheel
502
00:25:20,606 --> 00:25:22,710
shocked friends and fans alike.
503
00:25:23,712 --> 00:25:24,882
Not only because the actor
504
00:25:24,981 --> 00:25:26,685
was such a rising star
at the time...
505
00:25:27,887 --> 00:25:30,560
...but also because even
at his relatively young age,
506
00:25:30,626 --> 00:25:34,768
24-year-old Dean had already
proven himself to be
507
00:25:34,901 --> 00:25:37,072
an accomplished race car driver.
508
00:25:38,943 --> 00:25:42,851
When James Dean came to
Southern California in 1954,
509
00:25:42,984 --> 00:25:45,288
he entered
the Palm Springs Road Races
510
00:25:45,288 --> 00:25:45,323
he entered
the Palm Springs Road Races
as a novice driver.
511
00:25:45,323 --> 00:25:47,259
as a novice driver.
512
00:25:50,132 --> 00:25:52,804
He won his race
513
00:25:52,871 --> 00:25:56,579
as a novice and qualified
for the Sunday main event
514
00:25:56,745 --> 00:25:58,650
against veteran drivers.
515
00:25:58,749 --> 00:26:02,356
He was a very serious
and aggressive competitor
516
00:26:02,356 --> 00:26:02,456
He was a very serious
and aggressive competitor
with a lot of skill
as a novice driver.
517
00:26:02,456 --> 00:26:05,162
with a lot of skill
as a novice driver.
518
00:26:06,330 --> 00:26:09,136
SHATNER: James Dean's reputation
as a competent driver
519
00:26:09,136 --> 00:26:10,773
was so well known,
520
00:26:10,873 --> 00:26:12,476
that many found it difficult
to believe his death
521
00:26:12,577 --> 00:26:15,650
could have been the result
of poor driving.
522
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:17,854
Over the years,
some people have claimed
523
00:26:17,887 --> 00:26:21,529
that there is only one possible
explanation for the crash.
524
00:26:21,628 --> 00:26:25,202
They believe
that James Dean's car
525
00:26:25,202 --> 00:26:27,172
was cursed.
526
00:26:29,343 --> 00:26:31,347
And as evidence of the curse,
527
00:26:31,648 --> 00:26:34,286
they point to a fateful
encounter that Dean had
528
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,629
with a fellow actor shortly
before his untimely death.
529
00:26:39,931 --> 00:26:44,240
Two days after James Dean
purchased his Porsche Spyder,
530
00:26:44,340 --> 00:26:46,845
he was having dinner
with Alec Guinness.
531
00:26:48,081 --> 00:26:50,887
During the course of the dinner,
James Dean told Alec Guinness
532
00:26:50,987 --> 00:26:53,391
he had just purchased
a new Porsche Spyder.
533
00:26:53,391 --> 00:26:53,458
he had just purchased
a new Porsche Spyder.
It was outside
in the parking lot
534
00:26:53,458 --> 00:26:55,797
It was outside
in the parking lot
535
00:26:55,930 --> 00:26:59,137
and he wanted to show him
the new car.
536
00:26:59,203 --> 00:27:03,546
Alec Guinness, upon setting
eyes on that vehicle,
537
00:27:03,679 --> 00:27:06,117
he had a very strange reaction.
538
00:27:07,219 --> 00:27:12,030
Some strange thing came over me,
some almost different voice.
539
00:27:12,129 --> 00:27:13,900
And I said,
"If you get into that car,
540
00:27:13,966 --> 00:27:17,072
by 10:00 at night
next Thursday, you'll be dead."
541
00:27:19,076 --> 00:27:23,820
EBNER:
Five days after Alec gave
that warning to James Dean,
542
00:27:23,953 --> 00:27:28,028
James Dean died
in a head-on collision
543
00:27:28,127 --> 00:27:30,666
with the only
other vehicle on the road.
544
00:27:31,835 --> 00:27:34,140
Sir Alec Guinness recounted
545
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,412
that as soon as he laid
eyes on the car,
546
00:27:37,412 --> 00:27:37,446
that as soon as he laid
eyes on the car,
he felt a sense of evil
547
00:27:37,446 --> 00:27:40,252
he felt a sense of evil
548
00:27:40,385 --> 00:27:43,157
emanating out of
the vehicle itself.
549
00:27:44,728 --> 00:27:49,136
SHATNER:
Is it possible that James Dean's
car was possessed by evil?
550
00:27:49,203 --> 00:27:52,844
Well, if that's true,
the curse was apparently
551
00:27:52,911 --> 00:27:56,818
strong enough to survive
even after his tragic death.
552
00:27:57,921 --> 00:28:01,829
Because in the years
following James Dean's accident,
553
00:28:01,862 --> 00:28:06,939
several strange incidents
involving his car took place.
554
00:28:08,141 --> 00:28:12,215
The exterior of the car was
pretty much obliterated...
555
00:28:13,418 --> 00:28:17,727
...but the chassis and the
engine block remained intact.
556
00:28:17,894 --> 00:28:20,432
Another race car enthusiast
557
00:28:20,432 --> 00:28:20,499
Another race car enthusiast
by the name of
Dr. William Eschrich
558
00:28:20,499 --> 00:28:24,040
by the name of
Dr. William Eschrich
559
00:28:24,139 --> 00:28:27,614
took the engine block
from James Dean's car
560
00:28:27,747 --> 00:28:30,219
and put it into his own car.
561
00:28:30,318 --> 00:28:33,225
And then he parceled out
some of the parts
562
00:28:33,324 --> 00:28:35,797
to a good friend of his
and colleague,
563
00:28:35,997 --> 00:28:37,900
Dr. Troy McHenry.
564
00:28:38,869 --> 00:28:41,474
So Eschrich and McHenry
565
00:28:41,474 --> 00:28:41,541
So Eschrich and McHenry
are now driving their Porsches
566
00:28:41,541 --> 00:28:44,280
are now driving their Porsches
567
00:28:44,380 --> 00:28:48,454
with James Dean parts
in the same race.
568
00:28:48,454 --> 00:28:48,488
with James Dean parts
in the same race.
Guess what happens next?
569
00:28:48,488 --> 00:28:50,358
Guess what happens next?
570
00:28:51,494 --> 00:28:54,934
McHenry loses control
of his Porsche
571
00:28:55,001 --> 00:28:59,343
and drives head-on into
a tree and dies at the scene.
572
00:29:00,312 --> 00:29:01,882
And Eschrich,
573
00:29:01,949 --> 00:29:06,859
he flips his car and winds up
severely injured
574
00:29:07,059 --> 00:29:09,063
in the same race.
575
00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:13,806
RASKIN: George Barris
was a legendary
576
00:29:13,939 --> 00:29:16,444
car customizer in California.
577
00:29:16,444 --> 00:29:16,478
car customizer in California.
He got hold of the carcass
578
00:29:16,478 --> 00:29:21,087
He got hold of the carcass
579
00:29:21,220 --> 00:29:24,060
of James Dean's Porsche Spyder
580
00:29:24,226 --> 00:29:26,999
and put it on display,
581
00:29:27,099 --> 00:29:30,539
and loaned it to
the Los Angeles Safety Council
582
00:29:30,806 --> 00:29:35,448
with the theme that
"Speed kills, drive safely."
583
00:29:37,219 --> 00:29:42,697
He told stories about how
individuals touched this car
584
00:29:42,864 --> 00:29:45,401
and injured themselves.
585
00:29:47,072 --> 00:29:49,811
JOJI BARRIS-PASTER:
The stories that are from my
father are really interesting.
586
00:29:49,978 --> 00:29:51,480
When the car was dropped off
587
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:51,515
When the car was dropped off
at the Barris Custom Shop
588
00:29:51,515 --> 00:29:53,051
at the Barris Custom Shop
589
00:29:53,117 --> 00:29:54,788
in North Hollywood and
first came to the shop,
590
00:29:54,921 --> 00:29:57,092
his mechanic came out
to help him,
591
00:29:57,259 --> 00:29:58,562
you know, unload the car.
592
00:29:58,562 --> 00:29:58,629
you know, unload the car.
It rolls and breaks his legs.
593
00:29:58,629 --> 00:30:00,767
It rolls and breaks his legs.
594
00:30:00,866 --> 00:30:02,503
Rolls over his legs
and breaks his legs.
595
00:30:03,505 --> 00:30:06,512
Incidents keep happening
and at that time,
596
00:30:06,578 --> 00:30:10,119
these stories that he's
telling us, it's concerning.
597
00:30:10,251 --> 00:30:11,588
And you could tell
he's realizing,
598
00:30:11,588 --> 00:30:11,689
And you could tell
he's realizing,
"Hey, there's a curse
tied to this car.
599
00:30:11,689 --> 00:30:14,728
"Hey, there's a curse
tied to this car.
600
00:30:14,894 --> 00:30:16,565
This is serious now."
601
00:30:18,134 --> 00:30:22,243
SHATNER:
Is it possible that the curse
on James Dean's car lived on,
602
00:30:22,309 --> 00:30:25,583
even after it had been
wrecked and salvaged for parts?
603
00:30:26,585 --> 00:30:28,522
It's an unsettling notion.
604
00:30:28,622 --> 00:30:31,361
So disturbing in fact,
that some people believe
605
00:30:31,427 --> 00:30:35,335
George Barris took
matters into his own hands.
606
00:30:38,141 --> 00:30:41,181
RASKIN:
In 1960, George Barris
sent the car
607
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,886
to a safety exhibit
in Miami, Florida.
608
00:30:44,988 --> 00:30:47,059
He said that
when the transporter
609
00:30:47,159 --> 00:30:50,734
came back to L.A.,
the car was missing.
610
00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:53,171
In all my research,
611
00:30:53,271 --> 00:30:57,212
we cannot find any trace
of the missing car.
612
00:30:57,312 --> 00:31:01,320
And looking at
all the speculation...
613
00:31:02,590 --> 00:31:05,028
...revolving around the curse,
614
00:31:05,095 --> 00:31:09,436
I believe that George Barris
disposed of the car
615
00:31:09,436 --> 00:31:09,470
I believe that George Barris
disposed of the car
and it disappeared forever.
616
00:31:09,470 --> 00:31:12,409
and it disappeared forever.
617
00:31:15,381 --> 00:31:18,589
The question of the curse
and the death of James Dean
618
00:31:18,589 --> 00:31:18,623
The question of the curse
and the death of James Dean
has been going on for 65 years.
619
00:31:18,623 --> 00:31:22,362
has been going on for 65 years.
620
00:31:23,364 --> 00:31:26,805
And looking
at those strange incidents,
621
00:31:26,938 --> 00:31:29,845
they may have been coincidences,
622
00:31:29,944 --> 00:31:33,819
or there may have been
an actual curse.
623
00:31:33,952 --> 00:31:37,025
Unfortunately, we'll never know.
624
00:31:39,263 --> 00:31:41,535
Was it merely a coincidence
that several people
625
00:31:41,635 --> 00:31:45,242
who came into contact
with James Dean's car
626
00:31:45,375 --> 00:31:47,279
were harmed, and two even died?
627
00:31:47,412 --> 00:31:50,218
Or is it possible
that this vehicle
628
00:31:50,351 --> 00:31:53,058
was actually a cursed object?
629
00:31:53,157 --> 00:31:55,796
Perhaps the answer
can be found by examining
630
00:31:55,963 --> 00:31:58,201
a collection of artifacts
631
00:31:58,301 --> 00:32:01,174
believed to contain
such dangerous energies
632
00:32:01,273 --> 00:32:04,413
that they are kept
under lock and key.
633
00:32:09,056 --> 00:32:10,760
SHATNER:
Just outside the city,
634
00:32:10,993 --> 00:32:14,868
on a normal suburban street
in an ordinary neighborhood
635
00:32:15,001 --> 00:32:18,609
is the home
of Greg and Dana Newkirk.
636
00:32:18,675 --> 00:32:21,648
From the outside, their home
is not much different
637
00:32:21,648 --> 00:32:21,715
From the outside, their home
is not much different
from any other house
on the block.
638
00:32:21,715 --> 00:32:23,251
from any other house
on the block.
639
00:32:23,384 --> 00:32:26,223
-Get some fork action going on.
-Yeah.
640
00:32:26,390 --> 00:32:27,894
SHATNER:
But inside,
641
00:32:27,994 --> 00:32:31,801
it contains something
quite extraordinary.
642
00:32:32,068 --> 00:32:35,676
Because there is a room in
the basement that is filled
643
00:32:35,676 --> 00:32:35,743
Because there is a room in
the basement that is filled
with a collection
of strange objects
644
00:32:35,743 --> 00:32:38,081
with a collection
of strange objects
645
00:32:38,181 --> 00:32:41,287
sent by people from
all over the world
646
00:32:41,453 --> 00:32:42,990
that are believed to be...
647
00:32:44,026 --> 00:32:45,261
...cursed.
648
00:32:46,330 --> 00:32:50,471
Greg and I lead normal lives,
and we go about our life
649
00:32:50,606 --> 00:32:52,409
the same way
that everyone else does.
650
00:32:52,475 --> 00:32:56,518
We just happen to be caretakers
for very strange objects.
651
00:32:57,587 --> 00:32:59,724
The way that we got started
collecting cursed objects
652
00:32:59,724 --> 00:32:59,758
The way that we got started
collecting cursed objects
was complete accident.
653
00:32:59,758 --> 00:33:01,293
was complete accident.
654
00:33:02,295 --> 00:33:05,102
It wasn't something that
we had set out to do.
655
00:33:05,201 --> 00:33:08,241
Never would have imagined
myself doing this.
656
00:33:08,307 --> 00:33:11,213
We were just interested
in-in general weirdness.
657
00:33:13,317 --> 00:33:16,825
My wife and I investigate
all manner of high strangeness.
658
00:33:18,227 --> 00:33:22,269
And we were both very interested
in the idea of cursed objects.
659
00:33:22,369 --> 00:33:25,175
We slowly gained
a reputation as being
660
00:33:25,308 --> 00:33:27,178
particularly
good people for this.
661
00:33:27,245 --> 00:33:30,586
And so anytime anyone had
a problem with an artifact,
662
00:33:30,586 --> 00:33:30,653
And so anytime anyone had
a problem with an artifact,
they would come to us and say,
663
00:33:30,653 --> 00:33:32,055
they would come to us and say,
664
00:33:32,188 --> 00:33:33,525
"I don't know
what to do with this.
665
00:33:33,659 --> 00:33:35,228
"This thing is
affecting my life.
666
00:33:35,328 --> 00:33:36,932
"Will you just
take it off my hands?
667
00:33:37,065 --> 00:33:38,702
"It'd be easier
to just give it to you
668
00:33:38,702 --> 00:33:38,736
"It'd be easier
to just give it to you
and let you deal with it."
669
00:33:38,736 --> 00:33:40,072
and let you deal with it."
670
00:33:40,204 --> 00:33:41,908
And so we built up
this collection
671
00:33:42,075 --> 00:33:43,612
of very bizarre things.
672
00:33:45,348 --> 00:33:48,488
SHATNER:
Visitors to the Newkirks'
home are given ample warning
673
00:33:48,522 --> 00:33:53,098
that the basement is filled
with objects that are cursed.
674
00:33:53,230 --> 00:33:56,771
We have a lot of
haunted robes...
675
00:33:56,771 --> 00:33:56,838
We have a lot of
haunted robes...
SHATNER:
But curiously, every day,
676
00:33:56,838 --> 00:33:58,742
SHATNER:
But curiously, every day,
677
00:33:58,742 --> 00:33:58,775
SHATNER:
But curiously, every day,
the Newkirks receive requests
678
00:33:58,775 --> 00:34:00,411
the Newkirks receive requests
679
00:34:00,478 --> 00:34:04,755
from people who are eager
to view their cursed collection.
680
00:34:04,787 --> 00:34:07,927
OCKER:
You'd think with cursed objects,
you want to avoid them.
681
00:34:08,094 --> 00:34:10,365
But there is a draw to them.
682
00:34:10,498 --> 00:34:12,403
When an object is said
to be cursed,
683
00:34:12,503 --> 00:34:14,140
another word
you can use is "special."
684
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,210
It's special.
If this chair is cursed,
685
00:34:16,277 --> 00:34:19,183
it's different from
every other chair in the world.
686
00:34:19,249 --> 00:34:21,320
And that makes it unique,
that makes it interesting,
687
00:34:21,387 --> 00:34:23,224
and that draws our attention
every single time.
688
00:34:23,357 --> 00:34:25,262
And the fact that
that specialness
689
00:34:25,428 --> 00:34:27,066
is that it hurts people,
690
00:34:27,198 --> 00:34:28,669
that appeals
to a certain macabre,
691
00:34:28,769 --> 00:34:30,606
a streak that we all
have as human beings.
692
00:34:32,777 --> 00:34:36,785
DANA NEWKIRK:
People think of cursed objects
as being kind of fun and spooky.
693
00:34:36,785 --> 00:34:38,421
But working with them,
694
00:34:38,487 --> 00:34:41,561
it feels a lot less about that
and a lot more about
695
00:34:41,695 --> 00:34:43,465
that kind of heavy
responsibility
696
00:34:43,565 --> 00:34:45,936
to keep some of these
objects with us
697
00:34:46,203 --> 00:34:48,842
under lock and key and
maybe out of the wrong hands.
698
00:34:49,811 --> 00:34:51,715
And maybe in a place
that's safer
699
00:34:51,815 --> 00:34:54,219
not only for everyone else
but for them.
700
00:34:55,689 --> 00:34:57,359
SHATNER:
The Newkirks' collection
701
00:34:57,425 --> 00:34:59,296
includes several objects
that are considered to have
702
00:34:59,329 --> 00:35:03,705
the power to inflict harm
on anyone who comes near them.
703
00:35:04,841 --> 00:35:08,348
This is the cursed deer skull.
704
00:35:08,414 --> 00:35:11,020
We drove down to Nashville
to pick up from a woman
705
00:35:11,153 --> 00:35:14,026
who saw this in an antique store
706
00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:16,030
and took it back to her office,
707
00:35:16,163 --> 00:35:18,301
and almost immediately,
her employees
708
00:35:18,467 --> 00:35:19,871
started getting sick.
709
00:35:19,871 --> 00:35:19,972
started getting sick.
One of her employees
was hit by a car.
710
00:35:19,972 --> 00:35:21,609
One of her employees
was hit by a car.
711
00:35:21,708 --> 00:35:25,583
And then, the wall that
this was hanging on,
712
00:35:25,616 --> 00:35:28,522
actually fell down and took
half of the building with it.
713
00:35:29,924 --> 00:35:33,064
DANA NEWKIRK:
There are certain objects
specifically in our museum that,
714
00:35:33,230 --> 00:35:34,366
without people knowing
715
00:35:34,466 --> 00:35:36,404
why they feel
the way that they feel...
716
00:35:37,573 --> 00:35:41,180
...they will definitely have
heart palpitations, anxiety.
717
00:35:41,313 --> 00:35:43,485
We've had people almost faint,
718
00:35:43,652 --> 00:35:45,221
we've had people throw up,
719
00:35:45,388 --> 00:35:46,658
we've had people dry heave.
720
00:35:47,660 --> 00:35:49,664
People have very visceral
physical reactions
721
00:35:49,764 --> 00:35:52,202
to being around
some of the objects.
722
00:35:55,341 --> 00:35:58,114
SHATNER:
Among the cursed objects
in the Newkirks' collection
723
00:35:58,247 --> 00:36:00,753
is a deadly ring that is claimed
724
00:36:00,753 --> 00:36:00,786
is a deadly ring that is claimed
to kill anyone who wears it,
725
00:36:00,786 --> 00:36:03,358
to kill anyone who wears it,
726
00:36:03,491 --> 00:36:07,032
a Bible used during
a failed exorcism,
727
00:36:07,265 --> 00:36:12,576
and a doll that is believed to
spread illness wherever it goes.
728
00:36:13,745 --> 00:36:16,685
But of all the cursed objects
the Newkirks have come across,
729
00:36:16,818 --> 00:36:20,125
there is one
that is so harrowing,
730
00:36:20,224 --> 00:36:22,262
they refused to keep it
in their collection.
731
00:36:22,328 --> 00:36:27,673
It is an unsettling wooden
effigy known as the Crone.
732
00:36:27,740 --> 00:36:30,846
DANA NEWKIRK:
The Crone really is
the definition
733
00:36:30,846 --> 00:36:30,880
DANA NEWKIRK:
The Crone really is
the definition
of kind of a cursed object.
734
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,184
of kind of a cursed object.
735
00:36:33,317 --> 00:36:35,789
It is a carved
statue of a woman.
736
00:36:35,789 --> 00:36:35,856
It is a carved
statue of a woman.
Someone at some point in time
737
00:36:35,856 --> 00:36:38,494
Someone at some point in time
738
00:36:38,528 --> 00:36:41,668
took this object and attached
the noose and the nails.
739
00:36:42,737 --> 00:36:46,343
It was given to us
by some hikers who found it
740
00:36:46,410 --> 00:36:49,717
in the Catskills, off
the beaten path in a cave.
741
00:36:50,919 --> 00:36:54,226
They took it home and initially
started to experience
742
00:36:54,392 --> 00:36:55,730
really frightening things.
743
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:58,769
Their animals were
behaving strangely,
744
00:36:58,869 --> 00:37:00,839
they were finding wet
footprints on the ground,
745
00:37:00,839 --> 00:37:00,906
they were finding wet
footprints on the ground,
and they didn't know what to do.
746
00:37:00,906 --> 00:37:03,177
and they didn't know what to do.
747
00:37:03,277 --> 00:37:05,315
Someone who we had
worked with previously
748
00:37:05,481 --> 00:37:07,085
put them in contact with us,
749
00:37:07,318 --> 00:37:10,192
and after, you know, having
some communication with them,
750
00:37:10,324 --> 00:37:12,395
they-they sent the Crone to us.
751
00:37:13,565 --> 00:37:16,404
GREG NEWKIRK:
People who would
get near the Crone,
752
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:19,544
they would be just
overwhelmed with anxiety.
753
00:37:20,512 --> 00:37:23,251
This guy came
all the way from Canada
754
00:37:23,417 --> 00:37:24,887
to come and see the Crone.
755
00:37:25,856 --> 00:37:28,360
He begged us
to take it out of the box.
756
00:37:29,463 --> 00:37:31,266
Almost immediately...
757
00:37:32,302 --> 00:37:33,739
...his eyes roll up
in the back of his head
758
00:37:33,839 --> 00:37:36,410
and he starts
to bleed from his mouth.
759
00:37:36,578 --> 00:37:38,281
And he has a violent seizure.
760
00:37:38,380 --> 00:37:41,353
And he has to be taken out
by the paramedics.
761
00:37:41,453 --> 00:37:42,891
And that's when Dana and I
looked at each other
762
00:37:42,957 --> 00:37:45,461
and we said, "We have to do
something about this."
763
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:55,415
SHATNER:
After a string
of frightening incidents,
764
00:37:55,582 --> 00:37:57,185
Greg and Dana Newkirk
765
00:37:57,452 --> 00:38:00,324
are convinced that a strange
object in their possession,
766
00:38:00,458 --> 00:38:04,800
known as the Crone, is cursed.
767
00:38:06,571 --> 00:38:08,742
So they've traveled
to this remote region
768
00:38:08,742 --> 00:38:08,776
So they've traveled
to this remote region
of Upstate New York
769
00:38:08,776 --> 00:38:10,479
of Upstate New York
770
00:38:10,612 --> 00:38:13,919
to free themselves
of the evil object.
771
00:38:15,354 --> 00:38:18,027
The Crone is one of
the objects that does fall
772
00:38:18,027 --> 00:38:18,093
The Crone is one of
the objects that does fall
into that very small category
773
00:38:18,093 --> 00:38:19,764
into that very small category
774
00:38:19,830 --> 00:38:22,603
of objects that we didn't feel
like we could handle.
775
00:38:23,738 --> 00:38:26,377
It got to a point where
the Crone was just too dangerous
776
00:38:26,544 --> 00:38:28,348
for even us to take care of.
777
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,422
And what we wanted to do
was bring her back
778
00:38:32,488 --> 00:38:35,829
to the Catskills,
which is where she is from.
779
00:38:39,035 --> 00:38:40,840
SHATNER:
To remove the Crone's curse,
780
00:38:40,939 --> 00:38:43,512
the Newkirks' plan
was to return to the area
781
00:38:43,545 --> 00:38:47,853
where it was originally found
by two hikers many years before.
782
00:38:48,922 --> 00:38:51,562
At which point,
they would remove the nails
783
00:38:51,661 --> 00:38:55,034
embedded in the Crone
in a cleansing ritual.
784
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:58,809
DANA NEWKIRK:
We wanted to bring her back,
785
00:38:58,909 --> 00:39:00,913
and every time a nail
was pulled out,
786
00:39:00,913 --> 00:39:02,584
the intention was
787
00:39:02,650 --> 00:39:04,954
that we were pulling
that curse out of the object.
788
00:39:06,791 --> 00:39:10,064
We hiked into
the woods for miles...
789
00:39:11,066 --> 00:39:14,105
...and I set up a circle.
790
00:39:14,105 --> 00:39:14,173
...and I set up a circle.
The idea of setting up a circle
791
00:39:14,173 --> 00:39:16,010
The idea of setting up a circle
792
00:39:16,076 --> 00:39:18,715
was basically just to create
an energetic space
793
00:39:18,882 --> 00:39:20,719
for containing this ritual.
794
00:39:21,721 --> 00:39:23,391
And the whole time
we were doing this,
795
00:39:23,558 --> 00:39:25,394
we were hearing footsteps...
796
00:39:26,998 --> 00:39:28,569
...and strange sounds
797
00:39:28,702 --> 00:39:31,106
that weren't animals
around our circle,
798
00:39:31,139 --> 00:39:32,910
but...
799
00:39:32,910 --> 00:39:32,943
but...
we couldn't see anything.
800
00:39:32,943 --> 00:39:35,481
we couldn't see anything.
801
00:39:36,818 --> 00:39:38,689
GREG NEWKIRK:
We were absolutely terrified,
802
00:39:38,822 --> 00:39:40,993
but we start
performing the ritual.
803
00:39:40,993 --> 00:39:41,026
but we start
performing the ritual.
I pull the nails out.
804
00:39:41,026 --> 00:39:42,663
I pull the nails out.
805
00:39:42,830 --> 00:39:45,101
As soon as that happens,
806
00:39:45,101 --> 00:39:45,167
As soon as that happens,
we feel this almost electric pop
807
00:39:45,167 --> 00:39:47,973
we feel this almost electric pop
808
00:39:47,973 --> 00:39:47,974
we feel this almost electric pop
in the air.
809
00:39:47,974 --> 00:39:49,610
in the air.
810
00:39:50,846 --> 00:39:53,585
When we were done,
every coyote on the mountain
811
00:39:53,752 --> 00:39:54,988
just started howling.
812
00:39:55,121 --> 00:39:57,960
-(howling)
-And the ritual was finished
813
00:39:57,993 --> 00:40:01,568
and what we were looking at
was just a block of wood.
814
00:40:01,734 --> 00:40:02,904
And we just kind of knew
815
00:40:03,003 --> 00:40:05,609
that we had done
what we went there to do.
816
00:40:06,978 --> 00:40:09,316
Scholars of religion
have long known
817
00:40:09,482 --> 00:40:10,786
the power of ritual,
818
00:40:10,886 --> 00:40:12,623
that when a group
of people get together
819
00:40:12,723 --> 00:40:14,827
and engage in
the same set of actions,
820
00:40:14,894 --> 00:40:17,733
believing that there's a
supernatural origin behind them,
821
00:40:17,866 --> 00:40:19,670
that brings people together.
822
00:40:20,739 --> 00:40:23,745
And so, special movements
that you need to go through,
823
00:40:23,845 --> 00:40:26,484
special sayings or songs
that you need to do...
824
00:40:26,651 --> 00:40:27,920
(singing in unison)
825
00:40:28,020 --> 00:40:30,793
...it's incredibly
powerful phenomena
826
00:40:30,892 --> 00:40:33,532
that can help
rid us of the devil...
827
00:40:33,631 --> 00:40:36,738
or whatever other force
has cursed us.
828
00:40:37,873 --> 00:40:40,646
SHATNER:
Is it possible
that ritually cleansing
829
00:40:40,812 --> 00:40:43,284
the Crone removed its curse?
830
00:40:43,518 --> 00:40:45,622
Perhaps.
831
00:40:45,756 --> 00:40:47,860
But of course, it all depends on
832
00:40:47,893 --> 00:40:51,734
whether you believe curses
are real in the first place.
833
00:40:51,901 --> 00:40:53,237
OCKER:
Whether you believe
834
00:40:53,505 --> 00:40:56,077
in cursed objects or
don't believe in cursed objects,
835
00:40:56,176 --> 00:40:58,548
they can still have
a power over you.
836
00:40:59,917 --> 00:41:01,721
What that power is,
837
00:41:01,788 --> 00:41:05,061
to what extent that is,
how it kind of comes out?
838
00:41:06,664 --> 00:41:08,467
Who knows?
839
00:41:08,601 --> 00:41:09,570
But they're still
powerful objects,
840
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:10,972
no matter how you look at it.
841
00:41:12,509 --> 00:41:14,346
GREG NEWKIRK:
For people who don't
believe in curses,
842
00:41:14,513 --> 00:41:16,651
what I would say is,
843
00:41:16,784 --> 00:41:18,120
keep believing they're not real.
844
00:41:18,187 --> 00:41:21,594
That's the best defense
you have against a curse,
845
00:41:21,794 --> 00:41:23,932
is to not feed it.
846
00:41:24,934 --> 00:41:27,438
So, what's your take on this?
847
00:41:27,639 --> 00:41:29,242
Are curses real?
848
00:41:29,242 --> 00:41:29,342
Are curses real?
Or is it simply
human nature to look for
849
00:41:29,342 --> 00:41:31,247
Or is it simply
human nature to look for
850
00:41:31,514 --> 00:41:34,687
a supernatural explanation
when bad things happen?
851
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:38,628
Well, until we know for sure,
it might be wise to avoid
852
00:41:38,728 --> 00:41:41,500
those so-called
cursed places and objects.
853
00:41:41,701 --> 00:41:43,571
Let them remain...
854
00:41:44,707 --> 00:41:46,010
...unexplained.
855
00:41:46,143 --> 00:41:48,113
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