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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,379 --> 00:00:06,413 - [clicking tongue] - with his ears. 2 00:00:06,448 --> 00:00:09,482 A deaf man who hears 3 00:00:09,517 --> 00:00:11,758 with his eyes. 4 00:00:11,827 --> 00:00:13,827 And a man who lives in a world 5 00:00:13,862 --> 00:00:15,586 completely devoid of pain. 6 00:00:18,586 --> 00:00:21,068 Sight, sound, 7 00:00:21,103 --> 00:00:24,551 taste, touch and smell. 8 00:00:24,586 --> 00:00:26,689 These five senses are what we humans use 9 00:00:26,724 --> 00:00:28,137 to perceive the world around us. 10 00:00:28,172 --> 00:00:30,448 We tend to think we understand them pretty well. 11 00:00:30,482 --> 00:00:33,413 After all, we use them every day. 12 00:00:33,448 --> 00:00:36,241 But what about people whose abilities 13 00:00:36,275 --> 00:00:38,482 are so acutely developed, 14 00:00:38,517 --> 00:00:42,689 they challenge everything we know about our minds, 15 00:00:42,758 --> 00:00:47,448 our bodies, and even reality itself. 16 00:00:47,517 --> 00:00:52,379 Well, that is what we'll try and find out. 17 00:00:52,413 --> 00:00:54,344 ♪ 18 00:01:05,517 --> 00:01:07,482 ♪ ♪ 19 00:01:10,793 --> 00:01:13,172 Professional swordsman Isao Machii 20 00:01:13,241 --> 00:01:16,827 is about to perform an incredible demonstration. 21 00:01:16,862 --> 00:01:19,344 He will attempt to cut a baseball, 22 00:01:19,379 --> 00:01:21,793 traveling at a hundred miles per hour, 23 00:01:21,862 --> 00:01:24,137 perfectly in half, 24 00:01:24,172 --> 00:01:27,206 and from a distance of only 30 feet away. 25 00:01:27,275 --> 00:01:29,620 It seems impossible. 26 00:01:29,689 --> 00:01:32,413 That is... 27 00:01:32,448 --> 00:01:33,827 until he does it. 28 00:01:33,896 --> 00:01:35,413 MICHAEL DENNIN: When I first saw 29 00:01:35,448 --> 00:01:37,896 the video of the samurai cutting the ball in half, 30 00:01:37,931 --> 00:01:39,379 I was absolutely amazed. 31 00:01:39,448 --> 00:01:41,172 What I like about video these days 32 00:01:41,206 --> 00:01:43,103 is you can do some simple physics. 33 00:01:43,137 --> 00:01:45,034 You know, he's maybe sort of 30 feet away, 34 00:01:45,068 --> 00:01:47,206 the ball is roughly a hundred miles an hour, 35 00:01:47,241 --> 00:01:49,000 and that gives you a reaction time 36 00:01:49,034 --> 00:01:51,620 of essentially .2 seconds, in this case. 37 00:01:51,689 --> 00:01:54,862 Typical reaction times for a really elite baseball player 38 00:01:54,896 --> 00:01:59,241 trying to hit a fastball tend to be around .4 seconds. 39 00:01:59,310 --> 00:02:01,310 Actually, this is a more difficult task 40 00:02:01,344 --> 00:02:04,275 than something like baseball pitching, because clearly, 41 00:02:04,310 --> 00:02:06,586 with baseball pitching, you pick up information 42 00:02:06,620 --> 00:02:08,689 from the body shape of the pitcher, 43 00:02:08,724 --> 00:02:10,620 which tells you loosely 44 00:02:10,689 --> 00:02:12,827 when the ball is going to be released. 45 00:02:12,862 --> 00:02:14,275 Whereas in this instance, 46 00:02:14,310 --> 00:02:16,655 he seems to have a wall in front of him. 47 00:02:16,689 --> 00:02:18,310 There's a lot of uncertainty 48 00:02:18,344 --> 00:02:21,103 in terms of when the ball will begin its flight. 49 00:02:21,137 --> 00:02:22,758 And the fact that he can do all these things 50 00:02:22,793 --> 00:02:24,827 in 200 milliseconds is obviously quite amazing. 51 00:02:24,862 --> 00:02:26,413 SHATNER: In this 52 00:02:26,448 --> 00:02:28,241 and in numerous other demonstrations, 53 00:02:28,275 --> 00:02:31,344 Machii has shown a remarkable ability 54 00:02:31,413 --> 00:02:33,620 to visually track fast-moving objects 55 00:02:33,655 --> 00:02:37,068 with an acuity that few can even dream of. 56 00:02:39,413 --> 00:02:40,931 But how? 57 00:02:40,965 --> 00:02:43,724 Perhaps the answer can be found by examining the history 58 00:02:43,758 --> 00:02:46,310 of a man who can "see" the world around him 59 00:02:46,379 --> 00:02:48,172 just as well as, or even better, 60 00:02:48,206 --> 00:02:50,206 than most people, 61 00:02:50,241 --> 00:02:53,413 despite the fact that he doesn't have eyes. 62 00:03:00,931 --> 00:03:02,758 Two-year-old Daniel Kish, 63 00:03:02,827 --> 00:03:06,034 just one year after having both eyes removed due to cancer, 64 00:03:06,068 --> 00:03:07,965 sneaks out of his crib 65 00:03:08,034 --> 00:03:11,137 to explore his family's backyard. 66 00:03:12,413 --> 00:03:14,655 Far from being fearful or afraid, 67 00:03:14,724 --> 00:03:19,034 Daniel is as confident as he is curious, 68 00:03:19,068 --> 00:03:21,379 because, at just two years old, 69 00:03:21,413 --> 00:03:25,413 he has developed an ability called echolocation, 70 00:03:25,448 --> 00:03:29,586 which allows him to see by using his ears. 71 00:03:29,620 --> 00:03:32,000 For those of us that study sensory systems, 72 00:03:32,034 --> 00:03:34,034 Daniel Kish is a rock star. 73 00:03:34,068 --> 00:03:36,206 [clicking tongue] 74 00:03:36,241 --> 00:03:39,206 He is clearly the most studied human 75 00:03:39,241 --> 00:03:41,172 that actively echolocates. 76 00:03:41,206 --> 00:03:43,758 [indistinct chatter in distance] 77 00:03:43,793 --> 00:03:46,413 So he will emit sounds himself. 78 00:03:46,482 --> 00:03:48,896 These sounds will go and bounce off objects 79 00:03:48,931 --> 00:03:51,068 and come back to his own ears, 80 00:03:51,103 --> 00:03:53,896 and these noises provide him information on... 81 00:03:53,965 --> 00:03:58,206 distance to a target, what that target might actually be, 82 00:03:58,241 --> 00:04:00,896 how dense it is, how light it might be, 83 00:04:00,931 --> 00:04:02,551 its shape. 84 00:04:02,620 --> 00:04:05,758 I've been able to echolocate for as long as I can remember, 85 00:04:05,793 --> 00:04:09,241 and for me it was as natural as breathing. 86 00:04:09,275 --> 00:04:11,620 It was just my way of seeing. 87 00:04:11,655 --> 00:04:14,586 I didn't really know it was echolocation per se. 88 00:04:14,620 --> 00:04:18,310 I just knew that I was aware of my surroundings 89 00:04:18,344 --> 00:04:21,689 and that I could function with that awareness. 90 00:04:21,758 --> 00:04:24,482 It was just sort of part of the process of learning to see, 91 00:04:24,517 --> 00:04:27,862 which is very much what sighted kids actually do 92 00:04:27,896 --> 00:04:30,758 as they begin to calibrate their vision. 93 00:04:30,793 --> 00:04:33,620 After that, it was just sort of normal. 94 00:04:33,655 --> 00:04:36,068 It was just a matter of course to click and scan 95 00:04:36,137 --> 00:04:37,793 and find things 96 00:04:37,827 --> 00:04:40,965 and to not really be afraid of what was out there. 97 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,689 LOMBER: For most of us, 98 00:04:42,724 --> 00:04:45,068 if you've ever had any experience with echolocation, 99 00:04:45,137 --> 00:04:47,137 it's probably when you've been told 100 00:04:47,172 --> 00:04:49,172 about how bats work, right? 101 00:04:49,206 --> 00:04:51,172 Bats emit a sound. 102 00:04:51,206 --> 00:04:54,620 The sound bounces off objects and then comes back to them. 103 00:04:54,655 --> 00:04:57,827 So they can actually determine how far away an object is, 104 00:04:57,862 --> 00:05:01,310 what its size and shape may be, and so forth. 105 00:05:01,379 --> 00:05:03,586 And what Daniel's done is, he's taken this idea 106 00:05:03,655 --> 00:05:05,896 and, uh, basically, uh, turned it into something 107 00:05:05,931 --> 00:05:07,689 that humans can actually use. 108 00:05:09,206 --> 00:05:10,896 KISH: Without ultrasonic hearing, 109 00:05:10,931 --> 00:05:14,034 without all of the advantages that bats have evolved, 110 00:05:14,068 --> 00:05:16,172 humans are somehow able to do this, 111 00:05:16,206 --> 00:05:18,827 and relatively easily. 112 00:05:18,862 --> 00:05:22,103 So... how? Why? 113 00:05:22,137 --> 00:05:26,827 I believe that we can do this because we always have. 114 00:05:26,862 --> 00:05:30,551 We've been doing it since man was prey and not predator, 115 00:05:30,586 --> 00:05:32,689 since we had to hide in the dark. 116 00:05:32,724 --> 00:05:35,655 So we don't have to develop these systems from scratch. 117 00:05:35,724 --> 00:05:37,793 All we have to do is turn them on. 118 00:05:37,862 --> 00:05:39,517 [clicking tongue] 119 00:05:39,551 --> 00:05:41,413 SHATNER: By making clicking sounds 120 00:05:41,448 --> 00:05:43,758 and then listening to how those sounds reverberate 121 00:05:43,793 --> 00:05:45,344 off what's around him, 122 00:05:45,379 --> 00:05:48,379 Daniel is able to create a virtual picture 123 00:05:48,413 --> 00:05:52,379 of his surroundings with astonishing accuracy. 124 00:05:52,413 --> 00:05:54,034 [tongue clicking] 125 00:05:54,068 --> 00:05:55,586 ANIL SETH: Neurobiologically, 126 00:05:55,620 --> 00:05:57,413 I think this speaks to something 127 00:05:57,482 --> 00:06:00,103 that we call sensory substitution. 128 00:06:00,137 --> 00:06:06,310 That his visual cortex has been appropriated, if you like, 129 00:06:06,344 --> 00:06:09,344 because it's not receiving visual information. 130 00:06:10,586 --> 00:06:12,482 SHATNER: Daniel's rare abilities 131 00:06:12,517 --> 00:06:15,310 made him the world's foremost echolocator. 132 00:06:15,344 --> 00:06:18,068 But there are some in the scientific community 133 00:06:18,103 --> 00:06:22,241 who question the extraordinary nature of Daniel's ability. 134 00:06:22,275 --> 00:06:24,344 They argue that it's more likely 135 00:06:24,379 --> 00:06:26,344 that Daniel's simply making lucky guesses 136 00:06:26,413 --> 00:06:29,206 when he claims to sense his environment. 137 00:06:29,275 --> 00:06:32,275 But for Daniel, there's no question. 138 00:06:32,344 --> 00:06:35,896 He sees a map in his mind. 139 00:06:35,931 --> 00:06:38,275 And what's more... 140 00:06:38,310 --> 00:06:41,310 - [clicking tongue] - he can prove it. 141 00:06:41,344 --> 00:06:42,931 LOMBER: Even though he's never seen, 142 00:06:42,965 --> 00:06:45,482 he's clearly using his echolocation skills 143 00:06:45,517 --> 00:06:49,275 to construct some sort of map of the visual world, 144 00:06:49,310 --> 00:06:51,068 although he doesn't have any experience 145 00:06:51,103 --> 00:06:53,241 with the visual world the way someone that's sighted does. 146 00:06:53,275 --> 00:06:54,620 [clicking tongue] 147 00:06:54,655 --> 00:06:56,517 KISH: When I visit a new place, 148 00:06:56,551 --> 00:06:58,689 I basically just look around. 149 00:06:58,724 --> 00:07:00,689 And for me, that involves, of course, 150 00:07:00,724 --> 00:07:04,586 using my sense of echolocation 151 00:07:04,620 --> 00:07:07,068 to scope out the environment. 152 00:07:07,103 --> 00:07:09,758 I start out with what's most distinctive, 153 00:07:09,793 --> 00:07:12,517 what stands out, uh, what's most unique, 154 00:07:12,586 --> 00:07:15,896 uh, what seems to define the space. 155 00:07:15,931 --> 00:07:20,827 Essentially, it resolves into what I call three-dimensional, 156 00:07:20,862 --> 00:07:21,896 fuzzy geometry. 157 00:07:21,931 --> 00:07:23,862 So all of these features 158 00:07:23,896 --> 00:07:27,655 sort of coalesce into an actual image. 159 00:07:29,172 --> 00:07:32,482 Mapping it is part of the process. 160 00:07:32,517 --> 00:07:35,931 Drawing is a way of sharing 161 00:07:35,965 --> 00:07:38,413 what my relationship with the environment is. 162 00:07:38,448 --> 00:07:40,379 It's a way of... 163 00:07:40,413 --> 00:07:43,931 giving people a peek into my head. 164 00:07:45,103 --> 00:07:47,379 So, you've got a house here. 165 00:07:47,413 --> 00:07:49,448 That's the most relevant feature. 166 00:07:49,482 --> 00:07:51,896 There's a parked vehicle of some kind there. 167 00:07:51,931 --> 00:07:53,758 And, then, trees. 168 00:07:53,793 --> 00:07:58,310 And then, just as I got to about here, 169 00:07:58,344 --> 00:08:00,034 I was able immediately to tell, 170 00:08:00,068 --> 00:08:02,965 okay, this has got to be some sort of a patio area, 171 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,517 or maybe a grotto. 172 00:08:04,551 --> 00:08:07,413 And then, as I rounded the area, 173 00:08:07,448 --> 00:08:09,896 this tree line became very obvious, 174 00:08:09,931 --> 00:08:13,586 that bounds one edge of the garden. 175 00:08:13,620 --> 00:08:15,724 Daniel often says that, you know, 176 00:08:15,758 --> 00:08:18,827 he can see these things in his mind, 177 00:08:18,862 --> 00:08:21,241 and skeptics would say, "Oh, that's impossible, 178 00:08:21,275 --> 00:08:23,758 "he must be hearing sounds or just making calculations 179 00:08:23,827 --> 00:08:25,965 and guesses that just happen to be true." 180 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,172 But he's actually able to prove it. 181 00:08:28,241 --> 00:08:32,000 He's actually able to draw what he sees in his mind. 182 00:08:33,275 --> 00:08:35,137 And it's accurate. 183 00:08:37,758 --> 00:08:42,000 KISH: I am a person who is naturally curious. 184 00:08:42,034 --> 00:08:44,758 I've been an explorer since I got out of my crib 185 00:08:44,793 --> 00:08:46,793 and started wandering around. 186 00:08:46,862 --> 00:08:49,241 It didn't really occur to me that, "Oh, but wait, 187 00:08:49,275 --> 00:08:51,448 I no longer have eyes." 188 00:08:51,482 --> 00:08:55,482 My interest is in understanding the world, 189 00:08:55,517 --> 00:08:57,413 knowing about the world, 190 00:08:57,482 --> 00:08:59,862 and sharing whatever it is 191 00:08:59,896 --> 00:09:02,965 I think I've learned about the world with others, 192 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,620 to the extent that others may benefit from that. 193 00:09:06,655 --> 00:09:09,000 It's not about seeing or not seeing. 194 00:09:09,034 --> 00:09:11,206 It's about knowing. 195 00:09:11,241 --> 00:09:14,655 It's about understanding, and it's about sharing. 196 00:09:14,689 --> 00:09:16,689 SHATNER: Daniel's incredible ability 197 00:09:16,724 --> 00:09:18,551 to make his way through the world 198 00:09:18,586 --> 00:09:20,551 is truly a sight to behold. 199 00:09:20,620 --> 00:09:23,241 But how did he develop such an unusual 200 00:09:23,310 --> 00:09:25,793 and powerful sensory ability? 201 00:09:25,827 --> 00:09:27,827 Perhaps a clue can be found 202 00:09:27,862 --> 00:09:29,758 by examining a group of people 203 00:09:29,793 --> 00:09:33,551 who can literally hear the world around them 204 00:09:33,620 --> 00:09:35,206 in color. 205 00:09:39,758 --> 00:09:42,655 RICHARD CYTOWIC: We sense the world 206 00:09:42,724 --> 00:09:46,275 where color has a sound, 207 00:09:46,310 --> 00:09:48,758 and where sound has a taste. 208 00:09:48,793 --> 00:09:50,448 If that all seems bizarre, 209 00:09:50,482 --> 00:09:52,379 well, then imagine what it must be like 210 00:09:52,413 --> 00:09:54,379 to live in that world 211 00:09:54,413 --> 00:09:56,862 every day of your life. 212 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,000 ♪ 213 00:10:02,482 --> 00:10:05,896 Tofino, British Columbia, August 1998. 214 00:10:07,448 --> 00:10:09,758 55-year-old Carol Steen and her husband 215 00:10:09,793 --> 00:10:12,448 are hiking along the shores of the Pacific. 216 00:10:12,482 --> 00:10:15,965 It's a day like any other. 217 00:10:16,034 --> 00:10:19,965 That is, until Carol takes one wrong step. 218 00:10:22,034 --> 00:10:25,620 There were all these black boulders, they were huge, 219 00:10:25,689 --> 00:10:28,206 and we were kind of crawling around on them. 220 00:10:28,241 --> 00:10:30,862 My husband, being athletic, 221 00:10:30,896 --> 00:10:34,586 decided that he would jump off this rock. 222 00:10:34,620 --> 00:10:36,862 I did the same thing. 223 00:10:38,448 --> 00:10:42,448 And I did something very bad to my knee. 224 00:10:42,482 --> 00:10:44,965 I ruptured the ACL. 225 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,620 SHATNER: Tearing an ACL is a traumatic injury, 226 00:10:49,655 --> 00:10:51,793 even for professional athletes. 227 00:10:51,827 --> 00:10:55,517 And yet, for Carol, the first thing she experienced 228 00:10:55,551 --> 00:10:58,241 wasn't a sensation of pain 229 00:10:58,275 --> 00:11:00,413 but one of color. 230 00:11:00,448 --> 00:11:03,586 [woman breathing heavily] 231 00:11:03,620 --> 00:11:05,689 STEEN: I didn't feel pain. 232 00:11:05,724 --> 00:11:08,586 Instead, everything that I saw was orange, 233 00:11:08,620 --> 00:11:11,551 and this was with my eyes open. 234 00:11:11,620 --> 00:11:15,068 The sand was a lighter shade of orange. 235 00:11:15,137 --> 00:11:18,413 The ocean was another shade of orange, 236 00:11:18,482 --> 00:11:20,827 and the blur of orange was my husband, 237 00:11:20,896 --> 00:11:23,034 and he said, "I'll get you up on some rocks, 238 00:11:23,068 --> 00:11:24,413 and I'll go get help." 239 00:11:24,448 --> 00:11:27,103 SHATNER: It may seem odd, 240 00:11:27,137 --> 00:11:30,275 but this is just one example of Carol's senses mixing 241 00:11:30,310 --> 00:11:32,724 that she has dealt with for years. 242 00:11:32,758 --> 00:11:35,172 And it's an extraordinarily rare condition 243 00:11:35,206 --> 00:11:38,965 that scientists refer to as synesthesia. 244 00:11:41,862 --> 00:11:44,586 Synesthesia is often described 245 00:11:44,620 --> 00:11:48,068 as an unusual union of the senses. 246 00:11:48,103 --> 00:11:50,689 Perceptions that we tend to have separate-- 247 00:11:50,724 --> 00:11:55,862 like sounds versus sights versus touches versus smells-- 248 00:11:55,931 --> 00:12:01,103 get sort of combined in ways that are unusual. 249 00:12:01,137 --> 00:12:04,448 They've identified at least 70 different forms 250 00:12:04,482 --> 00:12:06,379 of synesthesia. 251 00:12:06,413 --> 00:12:08,689 The common forms would be people 252 00:12:08,724 --> 00:12:12,206 who can hear color and see sound. 253 00:12:12,241 --> 00:12:16,551 There are two ways that we can perceive these joined senses. 254 00:12:16,586 --> 00:12:19,413 90% of us see it in our mind's eye, 255 00:12:19,448 --> 00:12:22,862 and that's the same place where you watch your daydreams. 256 00:12:22,896 --> 00:12:24,827 And ten percent of us 257 00:12:24,862 --> 00:12:28,551 see it actually projected out there in front of us. 258 00:12:28,586 --> 00:12:30,517 [laughter] 259 00:12:30,551 --> 00:12:31,931 SHATNER: Hearing color? 260 00:12:31,965 --> 00:12:33,793 - Seeing sound? - [violins playing lively tune] 261 00:12:33,827 --> 00:12:36,241 What a marvelously strange ability. 262 00:12:36,275 --> 00:12:39,551 And yet, it's something that almost all of us do, 263 00:12:39,586 --> 00:12:42,517 although to a much lesser extent. 264 00:12:42,551 --> 00:12:45,586 CYTOWIC: We're all synesthetes. 265 00:12:45,620 --> 00:12:47,379 There are cross-connections 266 00:12:47,413 --> 00:12:49,344 going on in all of us, except 267 00:12:49,413 --> 00:12:50,862 we're not consciously aware of them. 268 00:12:50,896 --> 00:12:54,000 And so, what makes synesthetes different is 269 00:12:54,034 --> 00:12:57,551 that they simply have more cross-connections 270 00:12:57,586 --> 00:12:59,000 than you or I do, 271 00:12:59,068 --> 00:13:01,517 and they are also consciously aware 272 00:13:01,551 --> 00:13:03,034 that they have them. 273 00:13:04,896 --> 00:13:07,413 SHATNER: In extreme cases of synesthesia, 274 00:13:07,448 --> 00:13:09,551 a person, like Mississippi native 275 00:13:09,586 --> 00:13:11,655 Lidell Simpson, for example, 276 00:13:11,689 --> 00:13:13,793 can be born deaf and yet 277 00:13:13,862 --> 00:13:16,793 somehow still be able to hear sounds. 278 00:13:34,448 --> 00:13:36,344 [pinging slowly and rhythmically] 279 00:13:45,517 --> 00:13:47,689 [pinging] 280 00:14:49,379 --> 00:14:52,068 [clacking, whirring] 281 00:15:55,689 --> 00:15:57,827 [sound of glass shattering] 282 00:16:24,448 --> 00:16:27,724 Lidell ishearing the same way that you and I do. 283 00:16:27,758 --> 00:16:29,965 It's just that his auditory cortex 284 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,793 is being stimulated not through the eardrum 285 00:16:32,862 --> 00:16:34,931 but through other senses. 286 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,586 [pinging and whooshing] 287 00:16:36,620 --> 00:16:38,931 It's like, well, suppose a blind person said to you, 288 00:16:38,965 --> 00:16:40,965 "Oh, you poor thing. Everywhere you look, 289 00:16:41,034 --> 00:16:42,620 "you're always seeing things. 290 00:16:42,655 --> 00:16:45,655 Doesn't it drive you crazy having to see everything?" 291 00:16:45,689 --> 00:16:47,862 And of course not, because 292 00:16:47,896 --> 00:16:50,344 seeing is the normal texture of our reality. 293 00:16:50,379 --> 00:16:54,482 Synesthetes simply have a different texture of reality 294 00:16:54,517 --> 00:16:56,379 and different point of view. 295 00:16:58,068 --> 00:17:01,172 Lidell is a fantastic example of brain plasticity. 296 00:17:01,206 --> 00:17:03,896 I mean, when you think about an individual that's deaf 297 00:17:03,931 --> 00:17:05,793 and has this large region of the brain 298 00:17:05,827 --> 00:17:07,310 that's no longer processing sound, 299 00:17:07,344 --> 00:17:09,137 the fact that these other modalities 300 00:17:09,206 --> 00:17:11,034 have basically set up camp 301 00:17:11,068 --> 00:17:13,517 in what would normally be his auditory cortex 302 00:17:13,551 --> 00:17:15,862 is really phenomenal. 303 00:17:15,896 --> 00:17:18,068 In most instances of synesthesia, 304 00:17:18,137 --> 00:17:20,068 there's some mixing of the senses, 305 00:17:20,103 --> 00:17:24,586 but it doesn't necessarily involve all the senses. 306 00:17:24,655 --> 00:17:26,724 For Lidell, he seems 307 00:17:26,758 --> 00:17:32,448 to conjure this rich, very complex auditory scene 308 00:17:32,482 --> 00:17:35,896 out of all the things that he encounters. 309 00:17:35,931 --> 00:17:37,689 When we think about people with synesthesia, 310 00:17:37,724 --> 00:17:39,551 um, I think one of the reasons 311 00:17:39,586 --> 00:17:42,103 why people with normal sensory systems find them so interesting 312 00:17:42,172 --> 00:17:44,517 is because they're clearly having experiences 313 00:17:44,551 --> 00:17:46,275 that we'll never have. 314 00:17:46,344 --> 00:17:49,137 And trying to understand how they're experiencing the world 315 00:17:49,172 --> 00:17:51,344 through somebody else's eyes and ears 316 00:17:51,413 --> 00:17:53,896 is always really interesting to think about. 317 00:17:53,931 --> 00:17:56,724 Synesthesia shows that we sense the world 318 00:17:56,758 --> 00:17:59,482 in a much more integrated way than we think we do. 319 00:18:01,965 --> 00:18:03,931 SHATNER: Synesthesia reminds us 320 00:18:03,965 --> 00:18:06,206 of the brain's extraordinary ability 321 00:18:06,241 --> 00:18:09,517 to process data in a most unconventional way. 322 00:18:10,758 --> 00:18:12,655 Such is the case of one man 323 00:18:12,689 --> 00:18:15,413 whose sensory condition sounds like a dream 324 00:18:15,448 --> 00:18:17,620 but can, at times, 325 00:18:17,655 --> 00:18:19,275 be a nightmare. 326 00:18:28,724 --> 00:18:30,551 JOHN WOOD: Pain protects us from self-harm,R:38-year-old Steven Pete 327 00:18:30,586 --> 00:18:33,724 attends to his Sunday chores, like yard work 328 00:18:33,793 --> 00:18:36,068 and cooking and tinkering 329 00:18:36,137 --> 00:18:38,655 with several projects in his basement. 330 00:18:38,689 --> 00:18:41,344 All the same things that any person might do on a weekend. 331 00:18:41,379 --> 00:18:46,000 But for Steven, he has to do all this far more carefully 332 00:18:46,034 --> 00:18:48,758 than the average person, because for him, 333 00:18:48,793 --> 00:18:53,517 doing household chores is more than just a series of tasks. 334 00:18:53,551 --> 00:18:55,068 It's actually dangerous. 335 00:18:55,103 --> 00:18:57,275 PETE: I was born 336 00:18:57,344 --> 00:19:00,068 with a rare genetic condition called congenital analgesia. 337 00:19:00,137 --> 00:19:02,586 At the time, that was the name given to it. 338 00:19:02,655 --> 00:19:05,344 Now it's called congenital insensitivity to pain. 339 00:19:05,379 --> 00:19:09,758 So, uh, I can't feel any pain at all. 340 00:19:09,793 --> 00:19:13,275 SHATNER: A life free of pain? 341 00:19:13,310 --> 00:19:16,137 Sounds like something many of us would pay dearly for. 342 00:19:16,172 --> 00:19:19,000 But for people like Steven, 343 00:19:19,034 --> 00:19:22,000 death or severe injury lurks 344 00:19:22,034 --> 00:19:24,758 around every corner. 345 00:19:24,793 --> 00:19:27,103 PETE: My parents first noticed 346 00:19:27,137 --> 00:19:29,034 something was different when I was teething 347 00:19:29,068 --> 00:19:31,586 and I chewed off half my tongue. 348 00:19:31,655 --> 00:19:35,310 That definitely alarmed them to, uh, something serious going on, 349 00:19:35,344 --> 00:19:37,206 so they took me to my pediatrician, 350 00:19:37,241 --> 00:19:40,413 who, uh, did a couple of tests and determined 351 00:19:40,482 --> 00:19:43,482 that, more than likely, I didn't feel pain. 352 00:19:43,517 --> 00:19:45,793 They ran needles up and down my spine, 353 00:19:45,827 --> 00:19:48,482 uh, poked my feet a couple places. 354 00:19:48,517 --> 00:19:52,896 I still didn't elicit a negative response, a painful response. 355 00:19:52,965 --> 00:19:56,482 SHATNER: Steven's gruesome injury provides a stark reminder 356 00:19:56,517 --> 00:19:59,689 that while most people probably don't think of pain as a sense, 357 00:19:59,724 --> 00:20:02,000 it may actually be 358 00:20:02,034 --> 00:20:04,172 the important sense of all. 359 00:20:04,206 --> 00:20:07,620 WOOD: Congenital analgesia is 360 00:20:07,655 --> 00:20:10,827 an inherited form of insensitivity to pain. 361 00:20:10,896 --> 00:20:12,689 "Congenital" means it runs in the family, 362 00:20:12,724 --> 00:20:14,931 and "analgesia" means that you don't feel pain. 363 00:20:14,965 --> 00:20:18,000 You have no feeling of pain whatsoever. 364 00:20:18,068 --> 00:20:20,379 It's some form of mutation in a gene 365 00:20:20,413 --> 00:20:22,896 that's essential for pain perception. 366 00:20:22,965 --> 00:20:25,551 When people first hear that I don't feel pain, 367 00:20:25,586 --> 00:20:27,896 they think it is the greatest thing in the whole world. 368 00:20:27,931 --> 00:20:29,413 They're like, "Wow, you got a superpower." 369 00:20:29,448 --> 00:20:32,724 But my childhood was spending good chunks of time 370 00:20:32,758 --> 00:20:34,482 in the hospital. 371 00:20:34,517 --> 00:20:37,413 I'd stay anywhere between, like, four months 372 00:20:37,448 --> 00:20:41,586 to maybe a year and a half, which isn't normal. 373 00:20:41,620 --> 00:20:45,172 WOOD: It's an extremely problematic condition. 374 00:20:45,206 --> 00:20:47,517 Pain protects us from self-harm, 375 00:20:47,551 --> 00:20:50,034 and it's often the first sign of disease. 376 00:20:50,068 --> 00:20:52,448 So people who are pain-free often die very young. 377 00:20:52,482 --> 00:20:54,689 DENNIN: It's actually rather amazing 378 00:20:54,724 --> 00:20:56,758 that he's made it 379 00:20:56,793 --> 00:20:58,862 through life as far as he has. 380 00:20:58,896 --> 00:21:00,275 I mean, the classic example 381 00:21:00,344 --> 00:21:01,965 we would always hear about is learning 382 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,931 not to touch things that are hot. 383 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,206 Pain alerts us when we're doing something in the external world 384 00:21:06,241 --> 00:21:07,482 that doesn't make sense and we should stop. 385 00:21:10,413 --> 00:21:13,448 PETE: The one thing that I really have to keep an eye on 386 00:21:13,517 --> 00:21:15,551 is probably whenever I'm engaged 387 00:21:15,586 --> 00:21:18,344 in, like, a physical activity that's a little bit strenuous, 388 00:21:18,379 --> 00:21:20,206 like doing yard work. 389 00:21:20,241 --> 00:21:23,241 It's stuff like that, where I could injure myself 390 00:21:23,275 --> 00:21:25,620 and not immediately realize it, 391 00:21:25,689 --> 00:21:29,172 that could cause serious repercussions down the road. 392 00:21:29,206 --> 00:21:31,344 DENNIN: When we think about senses, 393 00:21:31,379 --> 00:21:33,793 we always think about the classic five senses: 394 00:21:33,862 --> 00:21:35,275 sight, touch, 395 00:21:35,344 --> 00:21:37,241 smell, taste and hearing. 396 00:21:37,275 --> 00:21:39,413 One thing that's really interesting, though, 397 00:21:39,448 --> 00:21:41,862 is, we basically have another sense, 398 00:21:41,896 --> 00:21:44,379 which is our pain, our sense of pain. 399 00:21:44,413 --> 00:21:47,275 We often just reject that as, well, that's just touch. 400 00:21:47,310 --> 00:21:49,862 But that negates or doesn't think 401 00:21:49,896 --> 00:21:51,413 about the internal pains we often feel, 402 00:21:51,448 --> 00:21:53,482 whether it's headaches or stomachaches 403 00:21:53,517 --> 00:21:57,103 or sore muscles, which really isn't quite touch. 404 00:21:57,137 --> 00:21:58,586 Pain is another sense. 405 00:21:58,620 --> 00:22:01,413 It's a sense that we call nociception. 406 00:22:01,482 --> 00:22:04,482 It's conveyed by specific kinds of nerves 407 00:22:04,517 --> 00:22:06,689 that get activated when, for instance, 408 00:22:06,724 --> 00:22:10,586 we might touch a hot stove or cut ourselves. 409 00:22:10,620 --> 00:22:12,275 WOOD: What's interesting is, 410 00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:15,448 the brain can regulate pain dramatically, 411 00:22:15,482 --> 00:22:17,965 but the basic drive that causes pain 412 00:22:18,034 --> 00:22:19,758 is from the peripheral nerves. 413 00:22:19,793 --> 00:22:22,551 The nerves that send information into the brain 414 00:22:22,620 --> 00:22:25,689 don't work in congenital analgesia patients. 415 00:22:25,758 --> 00:22:29,448 This loss of pain is caused by malfunctions 416 00:22:29,482 --> 00:22:32,310 in a very small number of genes that are extremely rare. 417 00:22:32,344 --> 00:22:34,344 One of them is involved in signaling 418 00:22:34,379 --> 00:22:35,724 in the peripheral nerves. 419 00:22:35,758 --> 00:22:37,310 It's called Nav1.7. 420 00:22:37,379 --> 00:22:39,310 It's a protein that's called a sodium channel. 421 00:22:39,344 --> 00:22:41,103 It's like an electrical switch. 422 00:22:41,137 --> 00:22:43,172 And if that protein doesn't function properly, 423 00:22:43,206 --> 00:22:45,275 then you can become pain-free. 424 00:22:48,103 --> 00:22:50,206 SHATNER: Since Steven doesn't feel pain, 425 00:22:50,275 --> 00:22:52,103 it begs the question: 426 00:22:52,137 --> 00:22:54,448 what does he feel instead? 427 00:22:54,482 --> 00:22:57,655 PETE: It's difficult for me to try to explain, but even though 428 00:22:57,689 --> 00:23:00,655 I don't feel physical pain, what I can feel is 429 00:23:00,689 --> 00:23:02,689 heat, cold, 430 00:23:02,724 --> 00:23:04,862 touch, just like every other person. 431 00:23:04,896 --> 00:23:09,862 What I do feel is probably a byproduct of pain, 432 00:23:09,896 --> 00:23:13,793 is, like, these impulses, almost like a nerve firing. 433 00:23:13,827 --> 00:23:15,931 Since 2012, 434 00:23:15,965 --> 00:23:17,896 I have had the opportunity to be able to participate 435 00:23:17,931 --> 00:23:20,793 in a couple studies with different universities. 436 00:23:20,827 --> 00:23:24,379 I spent a good portion of my childhood in the hospital, 437 00:23:24,413 --> 00:23:26,275 and during those stays 438 00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:29,000 it was usually with people who felt pain, 439 00:23:29,068 --> 00:23:31,413 and seeing people, 440 00:23:31,448 --> 00:23:33,000 especially that young, who are going 441 00:23:33,034 --> 00:23:34,758 through such painful experiences, 442 00:23:34,793 --> 00:23:37,586 um, that's really what prompted me to sign up 443 00:23:37,620 --> 00:23:39,896 for a lot of these studies when I was approached. 444 00:23:39,931 --> 00:23:44,310 And the overall goal in a lot of these studies is 445 00:23:44,344 --> 00:23:46,482 to try to create a nonnarcotic painkiller, 446 00:23:46,517 --> 00:23:49,655 because the opioid crisis that our country is facing 447 00:23:49,724 --> 00:23:53,448 is one that other nations are facing as well. 448 00:23:53,517 --> 00:23:55,310 So I've been asked quite a lot, 449 00:23:55,344 --> 00:23:57,241 with all these studies I've been participating in, 450 00:23:57,275 --> 00:23:59,275 if I had the chance to feel pain, 451 00:23:59,310 --> 00:24:01,344 if they could figure out what activates 452 00:24:01,379 --> 00:24:02,758 or deactivates that switch, 453 00:24:02,793 --> 00:24:05,103 would I myself want to feel pain? 454 00:24:05,172 --> 00:24:07,689 Um, and my answer is just no. 455 00:24:07,724 --> 00:24:10,965 Um, and that's only because I've damaged my body so much 456 00:24:11,034 --> 00:24:12,275 throughout my entire life that, 457 00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:13,862 if I were to feel pain right now, 458 00:24:13,931 --> 00:24:16,448 I'd just be in a constant state of pain all the time. 459 00:24:16,482 --> 00:24:18,689 Not only do I have a bad knee, 460 00:24:18,724 --> 00:24:21,137 uh, but my back is a little bit messed up, 461 00:24:21,172 --> 00:24:22,655 so my quality of life 462 00:24:22,724 --> 00:24:24,206 would just be low, 463 00:24:24,241 --> 00:24:26,689 and there's no way I could live like that. 464 00:24:27,793 --> 00:24:30,103 Pain. 465 00:24:30,137 --> 00:24:33,793 As devastating as it can be, it is clearly one of the senses 466 00:24:33,862 --> 00:24:36,827 we shouldn't be so eager to live without. 467 00:24:36,862 --> 00:24:40,275 But if our sense of pain can be diminished, 468 00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:43,586 might it be possible for our other senses 469 00:24:43,655 --> 00:24:46,586 to be enhanced? 470 00:24:46,620 --> 00:24:48,758 Perhaps the answer can be found 471 00:24:48,793 --> 00:24:51,413 by examining the story of a young man 472 00:24:51,482 --> 00:24:55,862 whose musical abilities could be said to rival those 473 00:24:55,896 --> 00:24:57,689 of a Beethoven. 474 00:25:04,931 --> 00:25:06,931 ADAM OCKELFORD: He was only five years old, and already 475 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,689 is in the middle of a lesson, 476 00:25:08,758 --> 00:25:12,344 when a blind five-year-old boy bursts through the door 477 00:25:12,413 --> 00:25:15,482 and changes Adam's life forever. 478 00:25:16,448 --> 00:25:20,310 I first met Derek 35 years ago. 479 00:25:20,344 --> 00:25:22,344 And this totally blind little boy 480 00:25:22,379 --> 00:25:24,000 was desperate to get at the piano. 481 00:25:24,034 --> 00:25:26,862 And he just pushed us out of the way and got playing. 482 00:25:26,896 --> 00:25:28,000 And I thought, 483 00:25:28,034 --> 00:25:29,310 "God, he's mad." 484 00:25:29,344 --> 00:25:31,655 You know, there were notes flying everywhere. 485 00:25:31,689 --> 00:25:34,551 But he was playing "Don't Cry for Me, Argentina," 486 00:25:34,620 --> 00:25:38,034 but with lots of scales and arpeggios and chords. 487 00:25:38,068 --> 00:25:39,379 And I suddenly thought, wow, 488 00:25:39,448 --> 00:25:41,344 you know, he's not mad, he's a genius. 489 00:25:41,413 --> 00:25:44,379 When I first tried to teach Derek, 490 00:25:44,413 --> 00:25:47,758 it turned out he could just play any tune that I named. 491 00:25:47,793 --> 00:25:50,517 He was only five years old, and already in his head 492 00:25:50,551 --> 00:25:54,413 he clearly had thousands of songs already memorized. 493 00:25:54,448 --> 00:25:56,517 Derek was born very premature, 494 00:25:56,586 --> 00:25:59,413 and he had to have a lot of oxygen to keep him alive. 495 00:25:59,448 --> 00:26:01,517 And we know from modern neuroscience 496 00:26:01,551 --> 00:26:04,172 that doing that to a brain causes it to grow 497 00:26:04,206 --> 00:26:05,724 in a slightly different way, 498 00:26:05,793 --> 00:26:07,724 to wire itself up in a different way. 499 00:26:07,793 --> 00:26:11,241 The thing with teaching autistic children like Derek 500 00:26:11,275 --> 00:26:13,344 is to form a relationship with them. 501 00:26:13,379 --> 00:26:15,000 He's got to trust you. 502 00:26:15,034 --> 00:26:17,275 He's almost got to love you, really, as a little boy. 503 00:26:17,310 --> 00:26:19,551 It's almost like a parent-child relationship. 504 00:26:19,586 --> 00:26:21,965 [playing mid-tempo song] 505 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,551 So he'll trust you to take him into new territories 506 00:26:25,586 --> 00:26:29,517 that he doesn't necessarily feel comfortable with. 507 00:26:29,551 --> 00:26:32,275 It's got to be a human relationship. 508 00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:34,620 ♪ 509 00:26:34,655 --> 00:26:36,862 TERRY WOGAN: He's making it up as he went along. That's terrific. 510 00:26:36,896 --> 00:26:39,724 [applause] 511 00:26:39,758 --> 00:26:41,620 Brilliant! 512 00:26:41,689 --> 00:26:43,620 What a great gift and what a, what a great talent, 513 00:26:43,689 --> 00:26:45,931 and it's something for you to be very proud of. 514 00:26:45,965 --> 00:26:47,862 Derek Paravicini. 515 00:26:47,896 --> 00:26:50,103 [applause] 516 00:26:50,137 --> 00:26:52,172 SHATNER: Over the next 35 years, 517 00:26:52,241 --> 00:26:56,172 Adam worked closely with Derek to hone his natural abilities. 518 00:26:56,241 --> 00:26:57,793 The result... 519 00:27:03,068 --> 00:27:06,413 Derek is not only a world- renowned professional pianist 520 00:27:06,448 --> 00:27:08,448 but someone whom scientists believe 521 00:27:08,482 --> 00:27:10,620 may be among a rare group of humans 522 00:27:10,655 --> 00:27:14,103 who possess the most finely developed sense of hearing 523 00:27:14,172 --> 00:27:15,655 in the world. 524 00:27:15,689 --> 00:27:17,103 Ah! 525 00:27:17,137 --> 00:27:18,482 [music ends] 526 00:27:18,517 --> 00:27:20,793 - Well done, Derek. - Yay. Thank you. 527 00:27:20,827 --> 00:27:23,137 OCKELFORD: The whole of Derek's musical ability 528 00:27:23,172 --> 00:27:24,655 is really founded on one thing, 529 00:27:24,724 --> 00:27:26,758 which is that his hearing is so acute, 530 00:27:26,793 --> 00:27:30,000 he can hear tiny differences in notes 531 00:27:30,034 --> 00:27:31,482 that most people can't. 532 00:27:31,517 --> 00:27:33,344 And Derek can remember them as well. 533 00:27:33,379 --> 00:27:35,379 Derek, shall we play our copy game? 534 00:27:35,413 --> 00:27:37,827 We'll play our copy game, please, Adam. 535 00:27:37,862 --> 00:27:40,965 Perfect pitch is really rare amongst people as a whole. 536 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,689 Probably about one in 10,000 people have perfect pitch. 537 00:27:44,724 --> 00:27:47,517 But Derek has kind of perfect pitch-plus. 538 00:27:47,586 --> 00:27:49,517 Play this note, exactly as it is. Ready? 539 00:27:49,586 --> 00:27:51,379 - [strikes note] - [strikes same note] 540 00:27:51,448 --> 00:27:53,655 So I can play one note, say F-sharp, 541 00:27:53,689 --> 00:27:54,965 and Derek instantly hears it. 542 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,448 You know exactly which one it is, don't you? 543 00:27:56,482 --> 00:27:59,379 - I do. - What if I play two notes? 544 00:28:01,931 --> 00:28:03,275 But there's more to it than that, 545 00:28:03,344 --> 00:28:04,724 'cause if he hears two notes, 546 00:28:04,758 --> 00:28:06,689 or three notes, even ten notes, 547 00:28:06,724 --> 00:28:08,620 - all at the same time... - Four notes. 548 00:28:08,655 --> 00:28:10,896 instantly, Derek can hear it. 549 00:28:10,965 --> 00:28:12,103 Uh, seven notes. 550 00:28:13,689 --> 00:28:15,551 In fact, we've done tests with him, 551 00:28:15,586 --> 00:28:17,965 and he can hear ten notes. 552 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,793 And he processes them in less than half a second. 553 00:28:20,827 --> 00:28:22,241 Yeah. 554 00:28:22,275 --> 00:28:25,068 [Ockelford playing note clusters and Derek imitating them] 555 00:28:25,137 --> 00:28:28,241 Every day I sit down and we start to play, and I think, 556 00:28:28,275 --> 00:28:30,241 "How did you do that?" And that, to me, 557 00:28:30,275 --> 00:28:32,724 is what keeps it interesting, because 558 00:28:32,758 --> 00:28:37,655 musicians give me a window into the brain that's unique. 559 00:28:37,689 --> 00:28:39,827 We have developed tools and research 560 00:28:39,862 --> 00:28:43,379 to try to infer about what happens in someone's brain. 561 00:28:43,413 --> 00:28:45,724 But I have personally been involved 562 00:28:45,758 --> 00:28:49,068 in measuring Derek's ability, 563 00:28:49,103 --> 00:28:52,517 and I can very confidently say 564 00:28:52,551 --> 00:28:55,724 that I have exhausted our technological means 565 00:28:55,758 --> 00:28:57,586 to actually try to develop 566 00:28:57,620 --> 00:29:01,103 a test that could measure Derek's ability. 567 00:29:02,344 --> 00:29:04,379 Some people say that Derek's abilities 568 00:29:04,448 --> 00:29:06,379 are almost superhuman, but I would say 569 00:29:06,448 --> 00:29:08,482 that it's much more sophisticated than that. 570 00:29:08,551 --> 00:29:11,103 [playing "When the Saints Go Marching In"] 571 00:29:11,137 --> 00:29:14,068 Not only can he unpack tens, 572 00:29:14,137 --> 00:29:16,413 dozens, hundreds of pitches; 573 00:29:16,448 --> 00:29:18,793 he can make musical sense of them, 574 00:29:18,862 --> 00:29:20,827 and that's something that only Derek can do. 575 00:29:20,896 --> 00:29:23,896 I have not come across any piece of technology that can do that. 576 00:29:23,965 --> 00:29:26,137 SHATNER: While Derek has set a new bar 577 00:29:26,172 --> 00:29:27,586 for hearing aptitude, 578 00:29:27,620 --> 00:29:29,793 it appears that his heightened sense 579 00:29:29,827 --> 00:29:32,103 is not without its downsides. 580 00:29:32,137 --> 00:29:36,068 Because, as superhuman as Derek's hearing is, 581 00:29:36,137 --> 00:29:39,517 the rest of his mind seems to have paid a price. 582 00:29:39,551 --> 00:29:41,448 - Yay! - Well done, Derek! 583 00:29:41,482 --> 00:29:43,931 - You enjoy that? - Yay. Enjoyed that, Adam! 584 00:29:43,965 --> 00:29:46,965 - Yay! Good session? - Good session. 585 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,896 The thing with Derek's abilities, they come at a cost. 586 00:29:49,931 --> 00:29:52,724 They come at a cost of understanding language, 587 00:29:52,758 --> 00:29:57,724 of being able to sustain himself independently, 588 00:29:57,758 --> 00:30:00,275 being able to function independently. 589 00:30:00,310 --> 00:30:03,620 Derek is almost like Alice in the looking glass. 590 00:30:03,655 --> 00:30:04,724 Everything is reversed. 591 00:30:04,793 --> 00:30:06,586 So really complicated things 592 00:30:06,620 --> 00:30:08,379 that most people would find impossible, 593 00:30:08,413 --> 00:30:09,896 like a whole piece of music, 594 00:30:09,965 --> 00:30:12,068 go straight into his long-term memory. 595 00:30:12,103 --> 00:30:14,586 Really easy things, like "what did you have for lunch today," 596 00:30:14,620 --> 00:30:16,517 just don't stick. 597 00:30:16,586 --> 00:30:18,931 And that's the extraordinary enigma of Derek. 598 00:30:19,827 --> 00:30:22,103 SHATNER: But what is it 599 00:30:22,137 --> 00:30:24,793 that gives Derek his extraordinary ability? 600 00:30:24,827 --> 00:30:28,482 Is it simply his means of compensating for his blindness? 601 00:30:28,551 --> 00:30:31,827 Or is there something more to it than that? 602 00:30:31,862 --> 00:30:34,344 DENNIN: When we think about these cases, 603 00:30:34,413 --> 00:30:37,172 an obvious place to go is, oh, he's blind, 604 00:30:37,206 --> 00:30:40,379 so it's the lack of eyesight that is contributing to this. 605 00:30:40,413 --> 00:30:42,724 What I don't know, and I think people are still looking at is, 606 00:30:42,793 --> 00:30:44,689 is that something that happens 607 00:30:44,758 --> 00:30:46,862 sort of early on in the formation of the brain 608 00:30:46,931 --> 00:30:49,482 that's purely a function of, oh, 609 00:30:49,517 --> 00:30:51,620 the eyesight isn't really being connected? 610 00:30:51,655 --> 00:30:54,758 Or is it a process that happens more over time? 611 00:30:54,793 --> 00:30:56,758 Understanding what that connection is, I think, 612 00:30:56,827 --> 00:30:58,965 is a very deep and interesting question. 613 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,965 LOMBER: I think, when you consider individuals that have 614 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,689 a severely impaired sense, like blindness or deafness, 615 00:31:05,724 --> 00:31:07,896 they're gonna have a very different reality 616 00:31:07,931 --> 00:31:12,000 than people that have more or less intact senses. 617 00:31:12,034 --> 00:31:14,137 But don't think of it in terms just of the loss, 618 00:31:14,172 --> 00:31:16,413 but the fact that they're gonna have amplifications 619 00:31:16,482 --> 00:31:18,586 in their remaining intact senses. 620 00:31:18,655 --> 00:31:21,172 OCKELFORD: The great thing about Derek 621 00:31:21,206 --> 00:31:23,448 is Derek the person. 622 00:31:23,482 --> 00:31:26,517 He's so much more than a clever musician. 623 00:31:26,551 --> 00:31:28,827 Derek is above all a people person. 624 00:31:28,896 --> 00:31:31,862 So he makes his music for people. 625 00:31:31,896 --> 00:31:33,862 He'll remember people he meets 626 00:31:33,896 --> 00:31:35,827 in terms of the pieces they like. 627 00:31:35,862 --> 00:31:37,482 [playing lively tune] 628 00:31:37,517 --> 00:31:39,551 He may not remember the name, 629 00:31:39,586 --> 00:31:42,206 but he'll remember a particular piece of music 630 00:31:42,241 --> 00:31:46,586 they asked for, even ten or 20 years later. 631 00:31:49,068 --> 00:31:50,862 [song ends] 632 00:31:50,896 --> 00:31:54,034 [applause, cheering, whooping] 633 00:31:56,034 --> 00:31:59,862 Derek's gifts, while remarkable, remind us 634 00:31:59,896 --> 00:32:03,689 that enhanced abilities of all kinds 635 00:32:03,758 --> 00:32:05,827 often come at a cost. 636 00:32:05,896 --> 00:32:09,068 But is that always the case, or is it possible 637 00:32:09,103 --> 00:32:12,655 for us to unlock an unlimited number of sensory abilities 638 00:32:12,689 --> 00:32:14,758 that we have within us? 639 00:32:14,793 --> 00:32:17,758 Even those we don't even know we have? 640 00:32:26,241 --> 00:32:29,655 CAROLINE CORY: We came across a groupSHATNER: Scientist Cornelia Fermuller 641 00:32:29,689 --> 00:32:32,655 publishes a study about how optical illusions 642 00:32:32,689 --> 00:32:36,931 expose a fundamental flaw in our brain. 643 00:32:36,965 --> 00:32:40,517 Even when we know our senses are being tricked, 644 00:32:40,586 --> 00:32:43,344 like when we look at an optical illusion, 645 00:32:43,379 --> 00:32:46,965 we are powerless to do anything about it. 646 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:52,068 And the truth is, our eyes are deceiving us all the time. 647 00:32:53,896 --> 00:32:55,965 SETH: For me it's not so surprising 648 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,275 that it's easy to fool our brains with optical illusions. 649 00:33:00,344 --> 00:33:03,965 Our brains are not designed to reflect reality as it is. 650 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,724 They're designed to make the best use 651 00:33:06,758 --> 00:33:08,896 of these ambiguous sensory signals. 652 00:33:08,965 --> 00:33:11,931 HOFFMAN: We all have an experiential reality. 653 00:33:11,965 --> 00:33:13,896 We'll see a three-dimensional world 654 00:33:13,931 --> 00:33:15,689 with objects and colors and shapes, 655 00:33:15,724 --> 00:33:17,724 we'll hear sounds, 656 00:33:17,758 --> 00:33:19,379 we'll taste things, 657 00:33:19,448 --> 00:33:20,931 we'll feel things, 658 00:33:20,965 --> 00:33:23,965 and that's our experiential reality. 659 00:33:24,034 --> 00:33:26,896 Now, most of us tend to think 660 00:33:26,931 --> 00:33:31,344 that our experiential reality is giving us a pretty clean map 661 00:33:31,379 --> 00:33:34,034 of what the objective reality is. 662 00:33:34,068 --> 00:33:37,896 But the probability that we have been shaped by evolution 663 00:33:37,931 --> 00:33:42,103 to have our experiential reality match any aspect 664 00:33:42,137 --> 00:33:46,241 of the objective reality is precisely zero. 665 00:33:46,275 --> 00:33:48,034 Instead, what evolution has done 666 00:33:48,068 --> 00:33:51,517 is given us a bunch of hacks so that you can survive. 667 00:33:51,551 --> 00:33:52,896 We're not tuned to the truth. 668 00:33:52,931 --> 00:33:54,896 We have simple tricks and hacks. 669 00:34:03,793 --> 00:34:06,000 Put your blindfolds on for me, please. 670 00:34:06,068 --> 00:34:08,551 SHATNER: A group of scientists have gathered to perform 671 00:34:08,620 --> 00:34:11,379 an intriguing experiment designed to find out 672 00:34:11,413 --> 00:34:14,379 whether children have sensory abilities beyond those 673 00:34:14,413 --> 00:34:16,206 we already know. 674 00:34:16,275 --> 00:34:18,241 These particular children 675 00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:22,827 seem to be able to do something that is unimaginable. 676 00:34:22,862 --> 00:34:27,448 Somehow, they can both read and identify objects 677 00:34:27,482 --> 00:34:29,172 while wearing a blindfold. 678 00:34:29,206 --> 00:34:30,689 Teacup. 679 00:34:32,241 --> 00:34:34,862 CORY: We came across a group of children 680 00:34:34,931 --> 00:34:38,241 who were able to read completely blindfolded. 681 00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:40,241 Of course, in the beginning, 682 00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:42,827 we said, "This is a trick. It's impossible." 683 00:34:44,620 --> 00:34:48,793 The visual system works with light. 684 00:34:50,068 --> 00:34:53,103 But when we were working with these children, you could 685 00:34:53,137 --> 00:34:56,000 literally give them a book that they have never read before, 686 00:34:56,034 --> 00:34:58,965 and they would put the blindfolds on, 687 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,241 and eventually they could see. 688 00:35:01,275 --> 00:35:04,896 "Our day out is ruined. 689 00:35:04,931 --> 00:35:08,793 "No mouse would put a paw out 690 00:35:08,862 --> 00:35:11,103 in what-- that weather." 691 00:35:11,137 --> 00:35:13,241 CORY: Somebody from the outside 692 00:35:13,275 --> 00:35:15,103 looking in would say, 693 00:35:15,137 --> 00:35:17,827 "What's going on here? This is impossible." 694 00:35:17,896 --> 00:35:19,965 But if that's possible, then 695 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,724 what other abilities might we have 696 00:35:21,758 --> 00:35:24,758 that we're not even aware of yet? 697 00:35:24,793 --> 00:35:27,482 Tell me what I'm holding in my hand. 698 00:35:27,517 --> 00:35:29,344 A wooden spoon. 699 00:35:32,379 --> 00:35:35,172 So, we wanted to investigate this phenomenon. 700 00:35:35,241 --> 00:35:37,758 In 2018, 701 00:35:37,793 --> 00:35:41,103 we started to work with this Russian group. 702 00:35:41,137 --> 00:35:44,275 We worked with a couple of scientists, 703 00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:48,482 and they introduced a device inside the mask, 704 00:35:48,517 --> 00:35:54,068 uh, that measured the number of light photons inside the mask. 705 00:35:54,103 --> 00:35:57,551 Once the device showed that there was no light 706 00:35:57,620 --> 00:35:59,517 whatsoever inside the mask, 707 00:35:59,551 --> 00:36:01,827 then we started the test. 708 00:36:01,862 --> 00:36:05,827 We also measured the brain waves of the subject. 709 00:36:05,862 --> 00:36:09,275 And we could see that the person could see. 710 00:36:09,310 --> 00:36:14,137 They could read as if they were seeing normally 711 00:36:14,172 --> 00:36:16,275 without any mask or anything whatsoever. 712 00:36:16,344 --> 00:36:17,793 Forty-two. 713 00:36:17,827 --> 00:36:20,137 This is extraordinary. 714 00:36:20,172 --> 00:36:22,689 How do you even begin to explain that? 715 00:36:22,724 --> 00:36:25,206 SHATNER: How indeed? 716 00:36:25,241 --> 00:36:28,344 Because these subjects seemingly were able to sense things 717 00:36:28,379 --> 00:36:30,724 without using any of their five senses. 718 00:36:30,793 --> 00:36:33,103 So, then what explains it? 719 00:36:33,172 --> 00:36:35,965 Of course, everyone recognizes the five senses 720 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,482 that we all have. 721 00:36:38,862 --> 00:36:40,413 However, it seems 722 00:36:40,448 --> 00:36:45,793 that we are also able to have another sense, 723 00:36:45,862 --> 00:36:49,206 another way to receive information, 724 00:36:49,275 --> 00:36:52,862 retrieve data from the physical world 725 00:36:52,896 --> 00:36:56,931 beyond the five senses that we all know of. 726 00:36:56,965 --> 00:36:58,758 If you take a look at the animal kingdom, 727 00:36:58,793 --> 00:37:01,413 they have six, seven senses as well. 728 00:37:01,448 --> 00:37:03,896 Bees, for example, 729 00:37:03,931 --> 00:37:06,931 can see ultraviolet radiation. 730 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,896 Birds are famous for being able to lock onto magnetism. 731 00:37:11,931 --> 00:37:16,137 So if animals have other senses, then why can't we? 732 00:37:26,172 --> 00:37:29,103 It all sounds a bit too ooga-booga, doesn't it? 733 00:37:29,137 --> 00:37:31,862 Well, not according to a study published by scientists 734 00:37:31,931 --> 00:37:34,413 from Caltech in 2019, 735 00:37:34,448 --> 00:37:39,068 which suggests that humans can not only detect energy fields; 736 00:37:39,103 --> 00:37:43,068 they can also sense the magnetic field of the Earth. 737 00:37:44,379 --> 00:37:46,965 TRAVIS TAYLOR: The human brain has a lot of phenomena 738 00:37:47,034 --> 00:37:49,793 going on inside it that uses electromagnetic charges 739 00:37:49,827 --> 00:37:51,379 and electric fields. 740 00:37:51,448 --> 00:37:54,862 And if you change the magnetic field around your brain, 741 00:37:54,931 --> 00:37:59,034 it will impact what's going on inside your brain. 742 00:37:59,103 --> 00:38:04,068 So, small magnetic fields are most certainly detectable. 743 00:38:04,103 --> 00:38:06,896 We just may not realize we're detecting them. 744 00:38:06,931 --> 00:38:08,931 WOOD: It wouldn't surprise me in any way 745 00:38:08,965 --> 00:38:11,413 if there aren't aspects of, uh, brain function 746 00:38:11,448 --> 00:38:14,896 that we are completely unaware of at the moment, 747 00:38:14,931 --> 00:38:16,862 that we'll become aware of later 748 00:38:16,896 --> 00:38:20,068 when we understand more about how the brain actually works. 749 00:38:20,103 --> 00:38:22,965 SHATNER: Since it's already been proven 750 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,344 that humans have more than five senses, 751 00:38:25,379 --> 00:38:28,172 could there really be something to the notion 752 00:38:28,206 --> 00:38:31,551 that we have the potential to sense the world around us 753 00:38:31,586 --> 00:38:36,448 in what some would consider bizarre or even mystical ways? 754 00:38:36,517 --> 00:38:40,034 According to some researchers, the answer is yes. 755 00:38:40,068 --> 00:38:41,965 And as evidence they point 756 00:38:42,034 --> 00:38:46,344 to an incredible phenomenon known as paroptic vision. 757 00:38:46,379 --> 00:38:49,448 LUTYENS: Paroptic vision was first proposed 758 00:38:49,482 --> 00:38:52,517 by a surrealist writer called Rene Daumal, 759 00:38:52,551 --> 00:38:54,620 who, as a teenager, practiced 760 00:38:54,689 --> 00:38:56,620 seeing color through his fingertips. 761 00:38:56,689 --> 00:38:59,827 So he'd put different colored handkerchiefs inside a box 762 00:38:59,896 --> 00:39:01,896 and then he'd run tests to see 763 00:39:01,931 --> 00:39:04,482 if he could tell what color the handkerchief was. 764 00:39:04,517 --> 00:39:08,172 That sounds quite fringe, but I've done some experiments. 765 00:39:08,206 --> 00:39:10,310 It's a rare ability, but I did find one person 766 00:39:10,379 --> 00:39:12,862 who was able to detect the colors 767 00:39:12,931 --> 00:39:14,448 through the fingertips. 768 00:39:14,482 --> 00:39:16,482 I can't explain it, but she could detect color 769 00:39:16,551 --> 00:39:20,068 with 80% reliability through her fingertips. 770 00:39:20,103 --> 00:39:22,206 It's been discovered 771 00:39:22,241 --> 00:39:24,931 that the skin has opsins embedded in them. 772 00:39:24,965 --> 00:39:27,896 And opsins help the body calibrate 773 00:39:27,931 --> 00:39:30,655 to circadian rhythms, to 24-hour rhythms. 774 00:39:30,724 --> 00:39:34,275 So it's not too much of a stretch to think how opsins 775 00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:37,034 could not just detect light but they could also detect color. 776 00:39:37,103 --> 00:39:39,103 WOOD: Many people believe 777 00:39:39,172 --> 00:39:41,275 that there are mysterious ways of sensing things 778 00:39:41,310 --> 00:39:43,620 that don't involve the traditional senses. 779 00:39:43,655 --> 00:39:47,310 And I believe that there's a perfectly reasonable expectation 780 00:39:47,379 --> 00:39:50,068 that that may perhaps be true. 781 00:39:50,103 --> 00:39:52,689 We don't really understand how the brain works at all. 782 00:39:53,896 --> 00:39:56,103 SHATNER: As incredible as it is 783 00:39:56,172 --> 00:40:00,482 to discover new senses, it's also a little unsettling. 784 00:40:00,551 --> 00:40:04,068 Because if our brain is just using our senses 785 00:40:04,103 --> 00:40:07,551 to constantly try and guess what reality is, 786 00:40:07,586 --> 00:40:12,482 then how are we to know when it guesses wrong instead of right? 787 00:40:12,551 --> 00:40:14,482 SETH: I like to think of perception 788 00:40:14,517 --> 00:40:17,172 as a kind of controlled hallucination, because 789 00:40:17,206 --> 00:40:19,689 there's no light in the skull, there's no sound in the skull. 790 00:40:19,724 --> 00:40:21,241 All you've got to go on as a brain 791 00:40:21,310 --> 00:40:25,103 are these noisy and ambiguous sensory signals. 792 00:40:25,137 --> 00:40:26,517 Signals don't come with labels-- 793 00:40:26,551 --> 00:40:29,482 "I'm from a coffee cup" or "I'm from a cat." 794 00:40:29,517 --> 00:40:32,655 And this is why, for instance, if you look up at the sky, 795 00:40:32,689 --> 00:40:37,103 and there's some fluffy clouds, sometimes you might see faces. 796 00:40:37,137 --> 00:40:42,448 CYTOWIC: Reality is not quite as real as people think. 797 00:40:42,517 --> 00:40:44,931 We are often told that something looks red 798 00:40:44,965 --> 00:40:47,517 because it reflects more red wavelengths. 799 00:40:47,586 --> 00:40:49,724 But there's no such thing as red wavelengths. 800 00:40:49,758 --> 00:40:53,000 Color is not a property of objects. 801 00:40:53,034 --> 00:40:55,655 It's a property of brains. 802 00:40:55,689 --> 00:41:00,241 It's simply the wonder that our brain is creating all of this 803 00:41:00,275 --> 00:41:03,586 and that we can agree on so much. 804 00:41:03,620 --> 00:41:06,689 Perception is about representing the world 805 00:41:06,724 --> 00:41:08,310 and the body and the self 806 00:41:08,379 --> 00:41:10,448 in the way that's most useful for the organism. 807 00:41:10,517 --> 00:41:14,965 So if you see a color, that's not right or wrong. 808 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,310 Color is where the brain meets the universe 809 00:41:17,344 --> 00:41:20,275 in a way that's useful for us. 810 00:41:20,344 --> 00:41:22,931 I think we can all agree reality exists. 811 00:41:22,965 --> 00:41:25,000 We think, therefore something exists. 812 00:41:25,068 --> 00:41:26,689 But what it is 813 00:41:26,724 --> 00:41:30,482 and how we will know what it is, is fun to explore. 814 00:41:32,482 --> 00:41:36,448 Whether it's seeing the world without eyes, 815 00:41:36,482 --> 00:41:40,413 hearing things no other humans can, 816 00:41:40,448 --> 00:41:43,551 or unconsciously using senses we didn't even know we had, 817 00:41:43,620 --> 00:41:47,172 humans possess incredible sensory abilities 818 00:41:47,206 --> 00:41:49,689 that make us wonder-- 819 00:41:49,724 --> 00:41:52,931 what else might be out there that we have yet to detect? 820 00:41:52,965 --> 00:41:55,103 It's a tantalizing question. 821 00:41:55,137 --> 00:42:00,448 One that will, for now, remain unexplained. 822 00:42:00,482 --> 00:42:02,344 CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY A+E NETWORKS 64291

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