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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,275 --> 00:00:06,793 SOLDIER: Fire! 2 00:00:06,896 --> 00:00:10,517 WILLIAM SHATNER: Eerie recollections... 3 00:00:10,620 --> 00:00:13,344 of someone else's memories. 4 00:00:13,448 --> 00:00:17,724 Two people who share one mind. 5 00:00:17,827 --> 00:00:21,482 And people who have been able to see their own bodies 6 00:00:21,586 --> 00:00:23,655 while at the point of death. 7 00:00:29,172 --> 00:00:32,689 What happens to us after we die? 8 00:00:32,793 --> 00:00:36,275 Do our memories or our personalities-- 9 00:00:36,379 --> 00:00:39,068 everything that makes us who we are-- 10 00:00:39,172 --> 00:00:43,689 does it all just... disappear? 11 00:00:43,793 --> 00:00:47,965 Or do we have a consciousness, a-a soul... 12 00:00:48,068 --> 00:00:50,482 that lives on? 13 00:00:50,586 --> 00:00:55,137 Well, that is what we'll try and find out. 14 00:00:55,241 --> 00:00:57,379 ♪ 15 00:01:09,310 --> 00:01:11,413 [wind whistling] 16 00:01:11,517 --> 00:01:13,137 SHATNER: Lynchburg, Virginia. 17 00:01:13,241 --> 00:01:15,620 November 10, 2008. 18 00:01:15,724 --> 00:01:19,689 Accomplished neurosurgeon, Dr. Eben Alexander, 19 00:01:19,793 --> 00:01:22,551 is rushed to the hospital after suffering 20 00:01:22,655 --> 00:01:25,689 from severe back spasms and headaches. 21 00:01:27,620 --> 00:01:30,310 After performing a spinal tap, doctors discover that 22 00:01:30,413 --> 00:01:32,448 his spine and brain are swollen 23 00:01:32,551 --> 00:01:34,896 with a thick, pus-filled liquid-- 24 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,448 the sign of a deadly meningitis infection. 25 00:01:38,551 --> 00:01:43,517 Shortly afterward, Dr. Alexander slips into a coma. 26 00:01:43,620 --> 00:01:47,655 His brain begins shutting down. 27 00:01:47,758 --> 00:01:51,172 My brain was being overrun by an extremely primitive, 28 00:01:51,275 --> 00:01:53,620 aggressive bacterial infection. 29 00:01:55,413 --> 00:01:58,068 One that is almost uniformly fatal. 30 00:01:58,172 --> 00:02:02,206 Some of the fundamental brain stem reflexes were absent. 31 00:02:02,310 --> 00:02:04,448 My pupils weren't responding. 32 00:02:04,551 --> 00:02:06,965 My neocortex was horribly damaged. 33 00:02:07,068 --> 00:02:11,275 People just don't come back from this kind of meningitis. 34 00:02:11,379 --> 00:02:14,448 My doctors called my family together, 35 00:02:14,551 --> 00:02:17,068 and they felt that there was no chance for recovery. 36 00:02:19,241 --> 00:02:22,310 SHATNER: As a surgeon, Dr. Alexander helped save the lives 37 00:02:22,413 --> 00:02:23,896 of countless others. 38 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,689 Now he lies helpless, at the mercy 39 00:02:27,793 --> 00:02:30,103 of the killer bacteria that is whittling 40 00:02:30,206 --> 00:02:32,413 his brain function down to nothing. 41 00:02:32,517 --> 00:02:35,827 But then, something remarkable happens. 42 00:02:38,241 --> 00:02:39,620 I was in very deep coma. 43 00:02:39,724 --> 00:02:42,068 My brain was fully inflamed from this. 44 00:02:42,172 --> 00:02:43,862 All eight lobes were involved. 45 00:02:43,965 --> 00:02:46,379 Uh, there was really no place in my brain 46 00:02:46,482 --> 00:02:48,965 for any kind of conscious experience to happen. 47 00:02:50,862 --> 00:02:53,551 SHATNER: After clinging to life by the barest of threads, 48 00:02:53,655 --> 00:02:57,620 Dr. Alexander eventually makes an extraordinary recovery-- 49 00:02:57,724 --> 00:03:01,827 one that baffles his physicians. 50 00:03:03,896 --> 00:03:08,551 But perhaps even more baffling is the inexplicable array 51 00:03:08,655 --> 00:03:13,206 of sensations that Dr. Alexander believes he experienced 52 00:03:13,310 --> 00:03:15,896 while in a coma. 53 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,931 I was rescued by this slowly spinning white light 54 00:03:19,034 --> 00:03:21,896 that came packaged with a perfect musical melody. 55 00:03:25,896 --> 00:03:28,413 I felt a sensation of going through a tunnel, 56 00:03:28,517 --> 00:03:31,586 being lifted up out of space and time, 57 00:03:31,689 --> 00:03:35,172 and that opened up into this rich ultra-real valley 58 00:03:35,275 --> 00:03:36,724 that I call the Gateway Valley. 59 00:03:36,827 --> 00:03:39,586 It was an incredible, beautiful scene, 60 00:03:39,689 --> 00:03:42,206 and yet, the most profound mystery. 61 00:03:42,310 --> 00:03:46,000 SHATNER: Did Dr. Alexander experience 62 00:03:46,103 --> 00:03:48,413 a hallucination? 63 00:03:48,517 --> 00:03:51,172 Or was he really given a glimpse 64 00:03:51,275 --> 00:03:53,137 into a life beyond the one we know? 65 00:03:53,241 --> 00:03:56,655 A life beyond death? 66 00:03:56,758 --> 00:03:57,793 If true, 67 00:03:57,896 --> 00:04:01,482 the idea is almost too incredible to comprehend. 68 00:04:01,586 --> 00:04:05,275 But consider this: Dr. Alexander 69 00:04:05,379 --> 00:04:08,862 is just one of millions who, at the point of death, 70 00:04:08,965 --> 00:04:13,862 claim to have taken the same, virtually identical journey-- 71 00:04:13,965 --> 00:04:17,724 a journey which is collectively referred to 72 00:04:17,827 --> 00:04:22,724 as a near-death experience. 73 00:04:22,827 --> 00:04:24,620 GREGORY SHUSHAN: A near-death experience is when 74 00:04:24,724 --> 00:04:26,206 somebody dies clinically, 75 00:04:26,310 --> 00:04:29,310 and they come back to life and describe having had 76 00:04:29,413 --> 00:04:30,724 strange experiences, 77 00:04:30,827 --> 00:04:33,482 such as traveling through darkness, 78 00:04:33,586 --> 00:04:35,689 emerging into another realm, 79 00:04:35,793 --> 00:04:39,482 meeting deceased relatives or a being of light, 80 00:04:39,586 --> 00:04:40,965 traveling back to the body, 81 00:04:41,068 --> 00:04:44,206 often being told to go back to the body by this being of light. 82 00:04:44,310 --> 00:04:47,551 Raymond Moody was really the pioneering figure 83 00:04:47,655 --> 00:04:50,137 in the scientific study of near-death experiences, 84 00:04:50,241 --> 00:04:52,413 who wrote a book called Life After Life. 85 00:04:52,517 --> 00:04:53,758 Before Moody came along, 86 00:04:53,862 --> 00:04:55,620 you had descriptions of these accounts, 87 00:04:55,724 --> 00:04:58,827 but nobody called it a near-death experience. 88 00:04:58,931 --> 00:05:02,758 In the United States, about 800 people a day 89 00:05:02,862 --> 00:05:05,206 report that they're having near-death experiences. 90 00:05:05,310 --> 00:05:08,931 And if you think about that over the course of years 91 00:05:09,034 --> 00:05:11,103 and across the whole world, 92 00:05:11,206 --> 00:05:13,068 that's probably millions of people, 93 00:05:13,172 --> 00:05:15,620 which makes me think that this is a real phenomenon. 94 00:05:15,724 --> 00:05:17,586 People are really experiencing this. 95 00:05:17,689 --> 00:05:20,241 They're not making it up. 96 00:05:20,344 --> 00:05:25,310 Before my coma, I fully bought into the, uh, teachings, 97 00:05:25,413 --> 00:05:27,655 uh, that the physical world is all that exists. 98 00:05:27,758 --> 00:05:29,896 That's kind of the conventional scientific model. 99 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,448 But when I first opened my eyes in that ICU bed, 100 00:05:34,551 --> 00:05:37,034 my brain was absolutely wrecked, 101 00:05:37,137 --> 00:05:39,862 and all I remembered was where I'd been, 102 00:05:39,965 --> 00:05:42,724 that extraordinary spiritual journey deep in coma. 103 00:05:42,827 --> 00:05:44,965 That's why near-death experiencers 104 00:05:45,068 --> 00:05:47,448 come back to this world and realize 105 00:05:47,551 --> 00:05:49,724 that we are eternal spiritual beings 106 00:05:49,827 --> 00:05:52,586 and that our physical body is only a vessel 107 00:05:52,689 --> 00:05:54,862 that serves our soul in transition 108 00:05:54,965 --> 00:05:56,689 through this phase of our journey. 109 00:05:58,103 --> 00:06:00,482 SHATNER: The soul? 110 00:06:00,586 --> 00:06:05,000 The intangible essence of who we are that lives on after we die? 111 00:06:07,068 --> 00:06:09,862 If the near-death experiences reported by millions 112 00:06:09,965 --> 00:06:13,413 have, in fact, really happened as described, 113 00:06:13,517 --> 00:06:15,862 then could this be proof 114 00:06:15,965 --> 00:06:19,551 that the soul actually exists, 115 00:06:19,655 --> 00:06:23,206 and that there really is some form of life 116 00:06:23,310 --> 00:06:25,827 beyond death? 117 00:06:25,931 --> 00:06:28,965 The concept of the soul is one of the deepest, 118 00:06:29,068 --> 00:06:32,551 most far-reaching questions in all of science, 119 00:06:32,655 --> 00:06:34,758 and for that matter, in all of human history. 120 00:06:34,862 --> 00:06:38,689 Throughout history, poets, philosophers have tried 121 00:06:38,793 --> 00:06:41,103 to single out what is the soul, 122 00:06:41,206 --> 00:06:44,482 what is the essence of what makes us human? 123 00:06:44,586 --> 00:06:47,172 It speaks to our yearning for more time. 124 00:06:47,275 --> 00:06:49,517 To go beyond the short amount of time 125 00:06:49,620 --> 00:06:53,137 that's been given us as human beings. 126 00:06:53,241 --> 00:06:56,172 If you look to questions about the soul, 127 00:06:56,275 --> 00:06:59,827 you see that these really speak to our fears, our desires, 128 00:06:59,931 --> 00:07:02,827 what we want most and what matters most. 129 00:07:05,896 --> 00:07:08,793 SHATNER: Not surprisingly, not everyone's convinced 130 00:07:08,896 --> 00:07:11,448 that the soul really exists. 131 00:07:11,551 --> 00:07:14,758 As far as many in the scientific community are concerned, 132 00:07:14,862 --> 00:07:17,379 it is little more than a concept brought about 133 00:07:17,482 --> 00:07:19,793 by wishful thinking. 134 00:07:19,896 --> 00:07:21,137 KAKU: There is a theory 135 00:07:21,241 --> 00:07:23,241 that says that people who are prone 136 00:07:23,344 --> 00:07:27,000 to have these near-death experiences are also prone 137 00:07:27,103 --> 00:07:31,689 to have lots of dream activity during REM sleep. 138 00:07:31,793 --> 00:07:35,758 Maybe they were hallucinating, or some people think that, aha, 139 00:07:35,862 --> 00:07:40,000 maybe that could explain near-death experience. 140 00:07:40,103 --> 00:07:43,586 I would maintain, along with virtually everybody 141 00:07:43,689 --> 00:07:47,413 who is engaged in the study of near-death experiences, 142 00:07:47,517 --> 00:07:51,689 that these are not aberrations, these are not hallucinations. 143 00:07:51,793 --> 00:07:53,827 How is it possible that people are having 144 00:07:53,931 --> 00:07:57,068 such rich conscious experiences 145 00:07:57,172 --> 00:08:00,620 when the brain itself is not functioning? 146 00:08:00,724 --> 00:08:03,413 There's a case report in September 2018 147 00:08:03,517 --> 00:08:06,655 in the Journal of Nervous and Mental Diseaseon my case, 148 00:08:06,758 --> 00:08:10,241 and it makes it clear to anyone in the medical profession 149 00:08:10,344 --> 00:08:14,758 that I was deathly ill and that my brain was terribly devastated 150 00:08:14,862 --> 00:08:16,172 by this infection 151 00:08:16,275 --> 00:08:17,931 and should not have been able to produce 152 00:08:18,034 --> 00:08:19,517 any kind of consciousness. 153 00:08:19,620 --> 00:08:22,000 From my point of view, death of the physical body 154 00:08:22,103 --> 00:08:25,758 is not the end of the conscious awareness. 155 00:08:25,862 --> 00:08:28,137 Near-death experiences are showing us, 156 00:08:28,241 --> 00:08:31,310 in no uncertain fashion, that we are souls 157 00:08:31,413 --> 00:08:35,034 living in a spiritual universe and that all the major factors 158 00:08:35,137 --> 00:08:37,896 involved in the events of our lives 159 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,517 have to do with that soul journey 160 00:08:40,620 --> 00:08:42,172 and with that spiritual nature. 161 00:08:44,241 --> 00:08:48,793 SHATNER: Consciousness in the absence of brain activity? 162 00:08:48,896 --> 00:08:50,620 According to mainstream scientists, 163 00:08:50,724 --> 00:08:52,793 such a thing is not possible. 164 00:08:52,896 --> 00:08:56,172 But what if they're missing the target? 165 00:08:56,275 --> 00:08:59,034 Perhaps the answer can be found 166 00:08:59,137 --> 00:09:01,793 by investigating further evidence that, 167 00:09:01,896 --> 00:09:04,724 not only does a soul exist, 168 00:09:04,827 --> 00:09:08,034 but it might actually be transplanted 169 00:09:08,137 --> 00:09:11,241 from one body to another. 170 00:09:19,827 --> 00:09:23,241 SHATNER: Atlanta, Georgia. December 1992. 171 00:09:23,344 --> 00:09:28,103 17-year-old Amy Tippins is having difficulty breathing. 172 00:09:28,206 --> 00:09:30,827 Suspecting that she has some form of pneumonia, 173 00:09:30,931 --> 00:09:33,517 she makes an appointment with her family doctor. 174 00:09:33,620 --> 00:09:37,551 But the actual diagnosis she receives is, 175 00:09:37,655 --> 00:09:40,827 in a word, shocking. 176 00:09:40,931 --> 00:09:42,620 TIPPINS: My senior year of high school, 177 00:09:42,724 --> 00:09:46,103 I started developing what I thought was pneumonia, 178 00:09:46,206 --> 00:09:48,448 and then when they went in to do some further testing, 179 00:09:48,551 --> 00:09:49,724 they realized I didn't have pneumonia, 180 00:09:49,827 --> 00:09:51,896 it was actually a tumor pushing on my diaphragm 181 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,724 and making it much harder for me to breathe, 182 00:09:53,827 --> 00:09:56,965 and I was in full liver failure. 183 00:09:57,068 --> 00:10:00,103 They said, "She'll," you know, "she needs to have a transplant 184 00:10:00,206 --> 00:10:01,379 or she'll hemorrhage to death." 185 00:10:01,482 --> 00:10:03,551 SHATNER: With time running out, 186 00:10:03,655 --> 00:10:08,413 Amy received her new liver and survived. 187 00:10:08,517 --> 00:10:11,724 But in the months following her transplant, 188 00:10:11,827 --> 00:10:14,655 she found herself exhibiting interests and abilities 189 00:10:14,758 --> 00:10:16,896 that were, not only new to her, 190 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,896 but also surprising. 191 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,758 TIPPINS: Not long after surgery, 192 00:10:21,862 --> 00:10:24,275 some things about myself and some of my traits had changed. 193 00:10:24,379 --> 00:10:26,793 Within a couple of years of my transplant, 194 00:10:26,896 --> 00:10:28,482 I really started to love projects, 195 00:10:28,586 --> 00:10:31,344 like replacing flooring on my own. 196 00:10:31,448 --> 00:10:33,344 I never saw flooring being put in. 197 00:10:33,448 --> 00:10:35,551 I never saw anything like that being done. 198 00:10:35,655 --> 00:10:37,206 What I discovered is it was actually fun 199 00:10:37,310 --> 00:10:38,931 to work with my hands. 200 00:10:39,034 --> 00:10:40,793 Just kind of go, "Huh, that's interesting." 201 00:10:40,896 --> 00:10:44,137 SHATNER: Of course, it isn't surprising that people 202 00:10:44,241 --> 00:10:47,241 who have had lifesaving transplant operations 203 00:10:47,344 --> 00:10:49,689 often report experiencing 204 00:10:49,793 --> 00:10:52,275 - a new outlook on life. - [heart beating] 205 00:10:52,379 --> 00:10:55,241 But new interests? 206 00:10:55,344 --> 00:10:58,448 New personality traits? 207 00:10:58,551 --> 00:11:02,379 Is it possible that Amy Tippins was getting these 208 00:11:02,482 --> 00:11:05,931 from somewhere else? 209 00:11:06,034 --> 00:11:08,896 I knew my donor was a male, I knew he was 47 210 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:14,448 and that he had been killed in a car wreck in Columbus, Georgia. 211 00:11:14,551 --> 00:11:16,482 So I went to the library and I started 212 00:11:16,586 --> 00:11:18,000 looking up obituaries from that time. 213 00:11:18,103 --> 00:11:21,482 And I kind of backed into his obituary, 214 00:11:21,586 --> 00:11:23,862 and backed into figuring out who he was. 215 00:11:23,965 --> 00:11:26,793 What I discovered is he was a police officer. 216 00:11:26,896 --> 00:11:30,034 He was 47 and his name was Mike. 217 00:11:30,137 --> 00:11:33,482 His sister told me that he did a lot of his own home renovation. 218 00:11:33,586 --> 00:11:36,137 He also liked to work with his hands. 219 00:11:36,241 --> 00:11:38,724 He liked to do projects. 220 00:11:38,827 --> 00:11:41,620 When I found out who my donor was, it made a lot more sense 221 00:11:41,724 --> 00:11:44,413 on why some things about myself and some of my traits 222 00:11:44,517 --> 00:11:46,241 had changed after transplant. 223 00:11:46,344 --> 00:11:50,931 SHATNER: Personality traits and even recreational interests 224 00:11:51,034 --> 00:11:53,586 coming from a transplanted organ? 225 00:11:53,689 --> 00:11:59,000 Is such a bizarre notion even scientifically possible? 226 00:12:01,068 --> 00:12:02,586 I've had clients come to the office 227 00:12:02,689 --> 00:12:05,413 who've had organ transplants 228 00:12:05,517 --> 00:12:08,655 who are baffled by what they experience, 229 00:12:08,758 --> 00:12:11,862 and some did have memories that were foreign to them. 230 00:12:11,965 --> 00:12:16,862 And then somehow or other found out what the person was like 231 00:12:16,965 --> 00:12:21,068 whose organ that they now have, and it matches. 232 00:12:21,172 --> 00:12:26,206 It's unusual, and I don't have an explanation for it. 233 00:12:26,310 --> 00:12:31,068 MISHLOVE: They very often report not only the memories of the donor 234 00:12:31,172 --> 00:12:34,620 but sometimes the behavioral patterns of the donor. 235 00:12:34,724 --> 00:12:37,068 It certainly suggests that memory 236 00:12:37,172 --> 00:12:40,862 and-and even behavior patterns can be embedded 237 00:12:40,965 --> 00:12:46,172 in these organs in ways that science has no clue. 238 00:12:46,275 --> 00:12:48,068 GARY SCHWARTZ: After looking at all the cases 239 00:12:48,172 --> 00:12:53,206 that we had access to, I developed a theory about how 240 00:12:53,310 --> 00:12:55,241 if the brain can learn, then other organs 241 00:12:55,344 --> 00:12:59,000 like the heart or the lungs or the liver could learn. 242 00:13:00,620 --> 00:13:02,896 We analyzed ten of the best cases 243 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,758 where the-- it was clear that the individual 244 00:13:06,862 --> 00:13:09,068 had these kinds of personality changes, 245 00:13:09,172 --> 00:13:14,206 and it was only later that they then met family members. 246 00:13:14,310 --> 00:13:15,758 [indistinct radio chatter] 247 00:13:15,862 --> 00:13:18,862 One case in particular was of a young boy 248 00:13:18,965 --> 00:13:24,827 who had been killed in a drive-by shooting, 249 00:13:24,931 --> 00:13:27,068 and his heart was donated 250 00:13:27,172 --> 00:13:30,620 to a foundry worker who was 47 years old. 251 00:13:30,724 --> 00:13:35,413 What happened was he developed a passion for classical music. 252 00:13:37,172 --> 00:13:40,103 And then he subsequently ended up meeting the mother 253 00:13:40,206 --> 00:13:44,758 of this young boy, and he learned that this young man 254 00:13:44,862 --> 00:13:48,172 was taking classical violin lessons 255 00:13:48,275 --> 00:13:53,586 and literally was shot as he was leaving his music lessons. 256 00:13:53,689 --> 00:13:56,000 From my point of view, it simply goes to show 257 00:13:56,103 --> 00:13:58,724 that as much as we want to pretend that things 258 00:13:58,827 --> 00:14:01,793 like mind and consciousness and personality 259 00:14:01,896 --> 00:14:05,413 are all stuck in the brain, um, they're really not. 260 00:14:06,931 --> 00:14:09,517 SHATNER: Could our memories, our identities, 261 00:14:09,620 --> 00:14:15,034 even our consciousness, be stored in not just our brains, 262 00:14:15,137 --> 00:14:19,448 but within each and every part of our bodies? 263 00:14:19,551 --> 00:14:23,965 If that's true, could these traits also be inherited, 264 00:14:24,068 --> 00:14:28,827 just like the color of our eyes or the size of our ears? 265 00:14:28,931 --> 00:14:30,758 According to a groundbreaking study conducted 266 00:14:30,862 --> 00:14:32,862 at the Icahn School of Medicine 267 00:14:32,965 --> 00:14:36,068 at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City, 268 00:14:36,172 --> 00:14:41,379 the answer might just be a resounding yes. 269 00:14:41,482 --> 00:14:45,379 About 25 years ago, we began studying the adult children 270 00:14:45,482 --> 00:14:47,000 of Holocaust survivors. 271 00:14:47,103 --> 00:14:51,517 And what we learned was that Holocaust offspring 272 00:14:51,620 --> 00:14:53,793 were more likely to have been diagnosed 273 00:14:53,896 --> 00:14:56,689 with mood and anxiety disorders. 274 00:14:56,793 --> 00:14:59,275 And we were able to observe epigenetic changes 275 00:14:59,379 --> 00:15:03,965 on, actually, two small segments of two stress-related genes, 276 00:15:04,068 --> 00:15:06,310 which really captured our attention. 277 00:15:06,413 --> 00:15:11,965 Then you start to wonder why a child of a trauma survivor 278 00:15:12,068 --> 00:15:15,137 would have such a change on their DNA. 279 00:15:15,241 --> 00:15:21,413 Is there a way that information somehow stays with us, 280 00:15:21,517 --> 00:15:23,448 maybe in our germ cells, 281 00:15:23,551 --> 00:15:28,862 maybe in other places, and then somehow, they are passed? 282 00:15:28,965 --> 00:15:33,482 SCHWARTZ: The findings about the cross-generational 283 00:15:33,586 --> 00:15:37,758 parent transfer from Holocaust survivors to their children, 284 00:15:37,862 --> 00:15:41,448 is evidence that the, uh, the body itself 285 00:15:41,551 --> 00:15:44,724 is a much more exquisite system 286 00:15:44,827 --> 00:15:49,275 for storing energy information about our lives. 287 00:15:49,379 --> 00:15:52,793 And that that information could not only be transferred 288 00:15:52,896 --> 00:15:55,413 in the case of an organ transplant, 289 00:15:55,517 --> 00:15:57,206 but it also could be transferred 290 00:15:57,310 --> 00:16:01,689 and continued across generations. 291 00:16:01,793 --> 00:16:03,827 KINSELLA: Studies like this are suggesting 292 00:16:03,931 --> 00:16:06,344 that we really don't know how mind, how memory, 293 00:16:06,448 --> 00:16:09,275 how experience work, we don't know how that resonates 294 00:16:09,379 --> 00:16:11,689 with us in body. 295 00:16:11,793 --> 00:16:14,862 HAWKES: I think it's very clear that there's something 296 00:16:14,965 --> 00:16:18,827 about us as beings that's beyond the brain, 297 00:16:18,931 --> 00:16:23,103 and people have used the word soul or spirit. 298 00:16:23,206 --> 00:16:27,586 It's one of those very curious and unexplained mysteries 299 00:16:27,689 --> 00:16:29,931 of who are we 300 00:16:30,034 --> 00:16:33,586 and what comes and goes with our bodies, 301 00:16:33,689 --> 00:16:36,827 our cells, our organs. 302 00:16:36,931 --> 00:16:38,344 His DNA is still in my bloodstream, 303 00:16:38,448 --> 00:16:41,482 and they say that DNA carries memories. 304 00:16:41,586 --> 00:16:44,724 To this day, I still continue to find out information about him. 305 00:16:44,827 --> 00:16:46,724 I'd go, "Huh, that's interesting 306 00:16:46,827 --> 00:16:49,241 in how it relates to me." 307 00:16:52,793 --> 00:16:55,000 Can transplanted organs really contain 308 00:16:55,103 --> 00:16:57,517 some part of the donor's identity? 309 00:16:57,620 --> 00:17:01,862 Conventional medicine believes the notion is far-fetched. 310 00:17:01,965 --> 00:17:07,241 So how do you explain what we just saw? 311 00:17:07,344 --> 00:17:10,965 Is our life experience encoded not just in our brain 312 00:17:11,068 --> 00:17:16,068 but throughout our entire body? 313 00:17:16,172 --> 00:17:18,586 Perhaps the answer can be found by examining 314 00:17:18,689 --> 00:17:22,482 whether such a connection exists between two people 315 00:17:22,586 --> 00:17:25,517 who are physically identical in every way. 316 00:17:25,620 --> 00:17:28,137 Twins. 317 00:17:32,413 --> 00:17:35,344 SHATNER: Los Angeles, California. 318 00:17:35,448 --> 00:17:38,551 March 2004. 319 00:17:38,655 --> 00:17:41,896 Linda Jamison is out for a romantic evening 320 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,379 when she becomes struck by a strange 321 00:17:44,482 --> 00:17:47,310 and overpowering sensation. 322 00:17:47,413 --> 00:17:52,551 Something in her tells her that her identical twin sister Terry 323 00:17:52,655 --> 00:17:54,586 is in mortal danger. 324 00:17:54,689 --> 00:17:57,965 LINDA: While I was on a date with a guy, 325 00:17:58,068 --> 00:17:59,758 in the middle of the dinner, I said, "Oh, my gosh, 326 00:17:59,862 --> 00:18:01,655 "I... I have this horrible feeling. 327 00:18:01,758 --> 00:18:05,620 "I have to get home to see if Terry's okay, 328 00:18:05,724 --> 00:18:08,689 'cause I don't feel she's okay." 329 00:18:13,724 --> 00:18:16,965 And when I went home, I went up to our apartment, 330 00:18:17,068 --> 00:18:21,482 and Terry was lying in bed, unable to speak or hear. 331 00:18:21,586 --> 00:18:24,379 And, I mean, it was so terrifying. 332 00:18:24,482 --> 00:18:26,413 It was kind of like a weird virus that had taken me over... 333 00:18:26,517 --> 00:18:27,482 - It was a virus. - ...like, very quickly. 334 00:18:27,586 --> 00:18:30,172 [siren wailing] 335 00:18:30,275 --> 00:18:32,344 And she got me to the ER just in time and they said, "Wow, 336 00:18:32,448 --> 00:18:34,275 you could have died." 337 00:18:36,241 --> 00:18:39,517 SHATNER: Faced with what could have been a fatal viral infection, 338 00:18:39,620 --> 00:18:43,068 Terry was saved in the nick of time. 339 00:18:43,172 --> 00:18:46,551 But was Linda's belief that her sister was in danger 340 00:18:46,655 --> 00:18:52,172 merely a coincidence, or was it something more? 341 00:18:52,275 --> 00:18:53,758 Twins share more than genes. 342 00:18:53,862 --> 00:18:55,724 They've shared an intrauterine environment. 343 00:18:55,827 --> 00:18:58,482 They've shared a set of early experiences together. 344 00:18:58,586 --> 00:19:02,448 They have been there with each other through early attachments 345 00:19:02,551 --> 00:19:04,344 and early developmental milestones. 346 00:19:04,448 --> 00:19:07,517 So the idea that twins feel really connected to each other 347 00:19:07,620 --> 00:19:09,758 is not very surprising. 348 00:19:09,862 --> 00:19:12,689 LINDA: It's a weird thing to describe to singletons, 349 00:19:12,793 --> 00:19:15,758 but we've always had that mysterious bond, 350 00:19:15,862 --> 00:19:17,827 that special bond twins have 351 00:19:17,931 --> 00:19:19,724 where they can feel each other's pain 352 00:19:19,827 --> 00:19:22,137 or they can determine what's gonna happen next 353 00:19:22,241 --> 00:19:25,034 - with the other twin. - We're just always intuiting 354 00:19:25,137 --> 00:19:28,241 what the other wants or what the other twin needs 355 00:19:28,344 --> 00:19:31,172 or, you know, helping each other constantly. 356 00:19:32,482 --> 00:19:33,896 SHATNER: Twins, 357 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,896 each one constantly in sync 358 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,482 with what the other wants or needs? 359 00:19:40,586 --> 00:19:44,068 It is often said that the bond between twins is so strong, 360 00:19:44,172 --> 00:19:47,034 they can actually read each other's minds. 361 00:19:48,689 --> 00:19:51,758 But is that just an expression, 362 00:19:51,862 --> 00:19:56,034 or could it be true? 363 00:19:56,137 --> 00:19:58,413 Studies that were done in Copenhagen and in London 364 00:19:58,517 --> 00:20:01,241 took monozygotic pairs-- 365 00:20:01,344 --> 00:20:06,655 so really, really twins, absolute identical DNA-- 366 00:20:06,758 --> 00:20:09,931 isolated them, and then, 367 00:20:10,034 --> 00:20:11,862 for one of them, uh, was subjected 368 00:20:11,965 --> 00:20:13,758 to different kinds of shocks. 369 00:20:13,862 --> 00:20:17,344 The distant twin was wired up with polygraph equipment. 370 00:20:17,448 --> 00:20:19,620 So these were designed to see 371 00:20:19,724 --> 00:20:21,482 what was happening in the distant twin. 372 00:20:21,586 --> 00:20:24,862 But one shock would have been literally an electric shock, 373 00:20:24,965 --> 00:20:27,137 another would be that, at a time that they didn't know, 374 00:20:27,241 --> 00:20:29,448 somebody behind them would drop a whole bunch of plates, 375 00:20:29,551 --> 00:20:31,689 make a big racket. 376 00:20:31,793 --> 00:20:34,724 So they found roughly eight to ten percent 377 00:20:34,827 --> 00:20:36,724 of the twins that were tested showed that there was 378 00:20:36,827 --> 00:20:39,310 some kind of a correlation between one person 379 00:20:39,413 --> 00:20:41,827 getting a shock and the other person responding. 380 00:20:46,068 --> 00:20:51,137 30% of twins report a telepathic connection with their twin, 381 00:20:51,241 --> 00:20:54,965 and it is because they're sharing a similar genetic code 382 00:20:55,068 --> 00:20:57,758 on some level, but on another level, 383 00:20:57,862 --> 00:21:00,448 they're also connected on a soul level 384 00:21:00,551 --> 00:21:04,137 that allows them to stay in this telepathic communication 385 00:21:04,241 --> 00:21:06,206 at all times. 386 00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:09,103 But we also called it "twin tuition," 387 00:21:09,206 --> 00:21:11,517 because there was no word to describe that weird, 388 00:21:11,620 --> 00:21:15,241 you know, mysterious feeling where your twin is suffering 389 00:21:15,344 --> 00:21:19,000 somewhere, and you pick up on it somehow and even feel 390 00:21:19,103 --> 00:21:22,413 the physical pain that that twin is feeling. 391 00:21:22,517 --> 00:21:23,827 It's very eerie. 392 00:21:23,931 --> 00:21:27,137 [heart beating] 393 00:21:27,241 --> 00:21:29,655 SHATNER: Despite the claims of Linda and Terry Jamison, 394 00:21:29,758 --> 00:21:31,896 and thousands more like them, 395 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,206 skeptics often argue that what is interpreted 396 00:21:35,310 --> 00:21:38,413 as a psychic connection between twins 397 00:21:38,517 --> 00:21:40,862 is merely a misinterpretation 398 00:21:40,965 --> 00:21:43,000 of the fondness they have for each other. 399 00:21:45,655 --> 00:21:47,689 But if identical twins really do share 400 00:21:47,793 --> 00:21:50,344 an inexplicable attachment, 401 00:21:50,448 --> 00:21:55,000 then perhaps evidence of this link can be found 402 00:21:55,103 --> 00:21:58,103 in cases of twins who have remarkable similarities, 403 00:21:58,206 --> 00:22:02,068 even though they were raised separately. 404 00:22:04,206 --> 00:22:07,379 So I've been working with twins raised apart for many years. 405 00:22:07,482 --> 00:22:12,448 And we find that identical twins do show many traits in common, 406 00:22:12,551 --> 00:22:14,344 even after years of separation. 407 00:22:14,448 --> 00:22:18,103 So for example, the Jim twins, Jim Lewis and Jim Springer, 408 00:22:18,206 --> 00:22:21,172 grew up in Ohio about 30 or 40 miles apart. 409 00:22:21,275 --> 00:22:24,310 And they had a long list of similarities. 410 00:22:24,413 --> 00:22:27,413 For one thing, they both had woodworking benches 411 00:22:27,517 --> 00:22:31,103 in their houses; they both loved to do woodwork. 412 00:22:31,206 --> 00:22:35,758 They both had dogs named Toy, and they both had older sons 413 00:22:35,862 --> 00:22:37,827 that they named James Allen. 414 00:22:37,931 --> 00:22:40,413 Both of them worked part-time as sheriffs, 415 00:22:40,517 --> 00:22:43,103 both drove light blue Chevrolets, and they both 416 00:22:43,206 --> 00:22:45,689 used to vacation on the same three-block strip 417 00:22:45,793 --> 00:22:47,793 of beach in Florida. 418 00:22:47,896 --> 00:22:49,965 We don't know the reason for that, but the point is 419 00:22:50,068 --> 00:22:52,517 that when you see these similarities repeated 420 00:22:52,620 --> 00:22:55,862 in identical twins raised apart, and not in fraternals, 421 00:22:55,965 --> 00:22:58,931 it creates a whole new set of hypotheses 422 00:22:59,034 --> 00:23:00,517 that you can begin to explore. 423 00:23:00,620 --> 00:23:03,655 TERRY: Whether people want to look at the evidence, 424 00:23:03,758 --> 00:23:05,241 that's up to them. 425 00:23:05,344 --> 00:23:09,758 And we're not trying to convince anyone, but it's a weird thing. 426 00:23:09,862 --> 00:23:11,896 It's like we're two wings of a bird. 427 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,241 We believe that we were bifurcated-- 428 00:23:15,344 --> 00:23:20,000 a bifurcated soul-- which means one soul with two bodies. 429 00:23:23,206 --> 00:23:26,000 SHATNER: If one soul can be shared between two people, 430 00:23:26,103 --> 00:23:29,517 as Linda and Terry Jamison believe, could it also explain 431 00:23:29,620 --> 00:23:33,862 how twins appear to communicate with each other telepathically? 432 00:23:33,965 --> 00:23:37,206 And if so, does this shared consciousness 433 00:23:37,310 --> 00:23:40,137 simply go away after one of them dies? 434 00:23:43,206 --> 00:23:46,137 Perhaps the answer can be found by hearing the story of a man 435 00:23:46,241 --> 00:23:50,275 who believes his soul doesn't just serve one body... 436 00:23:51,655 --> 00:23:53,517 ...but several. 437 00:24:00,931 --> 00:24:02,758 SHATNER: Sharpsburg, Maryland. 438 00:24:02,862 --> 00:24:04,620 May 1991. 439 00:24:04,724 --> 00:24:07,827 Connecticut fire chief, Jeffrey Keene, 440 00:24:07,931 --> 00:24:09,586 is on a road trip with his wife 441 00:24:09,689 --> 00:24:13,310 when suddenly he feels a strange urge 442 00:24:13,413 --> 00:24:15,896 to make a detour. 443 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,655 My wife and I, uh, like to go antique hunting, 444 00:24:18,758 --> 00:24:20,793 and we had been through Pennsylvania 445 00:24:20,896 --> 00:24:23,137 and headed down into Maryland. 446 00:24:24,793 --> 00:24:27,482 We were very near where the Battle of Antietam 447 00:24:27,586 --> 00:24:29,724 had been fought, 448 00:24:29,827 --> 00:24:32,206 and I was always impressed 449 00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:35,275 with the bravery of the men that fought in the Civil War. 450 00:24:35,379 --> 00:24:36,965 It strikes a chord in you. 451 00:24:38,517 --> 00:24:40,827 So I asked my wife if it was okay if we, uh, 452 00:24:40,931 --> 00:24:43,379 take a little side trip to go see the battlefield. 453 00:24:43,482 --> 00:24:45,034 SOLDIER: Fire! 454 00:24:47,689 --> 00:24:51,724 SHATNER: On September 17, 1862, 455 00:24:51,827 --> 00:24:54,793 Union forces cornered Confederate troops 456 00:24:54,896 --> 00:24:57,586 near Antietam Creek as they attempted an incursion 457 00:24:57,689 --> 00:24:58,965 into Maryland. 458 00:25:03,896 --> 00:25:06,310 It was the first major battle of the Civil War 459 00:25:06,413 --> 00:25:08,000 to take place on Union soil. 460 00:25:14,137 --> 00:25:16,931 All told, almost 125,000 soldiers took part 461 00:25:17,034 --> 00:25:18,103 in the fighting. 462 00:25:20,586 --> 00:25:21,896 And by day's end, 463 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,793 the battlefield was soaked with the blood 464 00:25:25,896 --> 00:25:29,758 of more than 22,000 souls. 465 00:25:33,413 --> 00:25:36,689 Now, nearly 130 years later, 466 00:25:36,793 --> 00:25:40,896 Jeffrey Keene and his wife arrived at the battlefield, 467 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,827 hoping to experience a bit of this history. 468 00:25:43,931 --> 00:25:47,068 But while visiting the site, 469 00:25:47,172 --> 00:25:51,620 Jeffrey had a very different experience, 470 00:25:51,724 --> 00:25:55,448 one that would prove to be far more personal 471 00:25:55,551 --> 00:25:58,758 than he could ever have imagined. 472 00:26:01,172 --> 00:26:04,758 KEENE: Well, we went to the battlefield, and all of a sudden 473 00:26:04,862 --> 00:26:06,206 I couldn't breathe. 474 00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:10,379 I started crying, uh, I had burning tears 475 00:26:10,482 --> 00:26:12,379 running down my cheek, I didn't know what was going on. 476 00:26:12,482 --> 00:26:16,379 And, uh, I literally crawled up to the side of the road 477 00:26:16,482 --> 00:26:20,034 and, uh, got myself together, went back to the car. 478 00:26:20,137 --> 00:26:24,758 On the, uh, way home, we stopped at a gift store, and, uh, 479 00:26:24,862 --> 00:26:26,310 there was a magazine there. 480 00:26:29,827 --> 00:26:31,724 The whole magazine was done on Antietam. 481 00:26:31,827 --> 00:26:35,620 And when we got home, I was reading through, 482 00:26:35,724 --> 00:26:37,482 and came across a full-figure picture 483 00:26:37,586 --> 00:26:39,586 of General John B. Gordon. 484 00:26:39,689 --> 00:26:41,896 He was a colonel at the battle, 485 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,896 and he'd been wounded five times, but he-he survived. 486 00:26:47,275 --> 00:26:49,793 And I looked at the face, and I told people 487 00:26:49,896 --> 00:26:52,793 I know the face very well. 488 00:26:52,896 --> 00:26:54,551 I shave it every morning. 489 00:26:54,655 --> 00:26:58,103 SHATNER: Jeffrey Keene. 490 00:26:58,206 --> 00:27:01,241 Confederate General John B. Gordon. 491 00:27:01,344 --> 00:27:05,689 The resemblance is, in a word, uncanny. 492 00:27:05,793 --> 00:27:08,241 So much so that Jeffrey began to wonder... 493 00:27:10,758 --> 00:27:14,620 ...could the strange reaction he experienced 494 00:27:14,724 --> 00:27:15,896 while visiting Antietam 495 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:21,172 be some sort of emotional echo? 496 00:27:21,275 --> 00:27:24,655 A connection that suggests that Jeffrey Keene 497 00:27:24,758 --> 00:27:30,103 is actually John B. Gordon reincarnated? 498 00:27:30,206 --> 00:27:34,482 Reincarnation is the process that allows your soul 499 00:27:34,586 --> 00:27:37,068 to take on a new life, a new body. 500 00:27:37,172 --> 00:27:41,000 In other words, you are born in a human body, 501 00:27:41,103 --> 00:27:44,241 you finish that cycle, you are deceased, then you 502 00:27:44,344 --> 00:27:49,000 continue to recycle that soul from one body to the next while 503 00:27:49,103 --> 00:27:51,758 being within the same Earth plane. 504 00:27:51,862 --> 00:27:53,862 KEENE: A lot of people say to me, 505 00:27:53,965 --> 00:27:56,275 "Why don't I remember lifetimes?" 506 00:27:56,379 --> 00:27:58,448 I say, "You do, you just don't realize that you do." 507 00:27:58,551 --> 00:28:01,551 There'll be haunting songs, 508 00:28:01,655 --> 00:28:06,172 a desire to go to certain places, countries and things. 509 00:28:06,275 --> 00:28:08,965 The furniture that you use to decorate your house, 510 00:28:09,068 --> 00:28:11,551 your hobbies, the clothes you wear, and so on. 511 00:28:13,344 --> 00:28:17,758 SHATNER: Can departed souls really pass into new bodies? 512 00:28:17,862 --> 00:28:19,931 And if so, what evidence might there be 513 00:28:20,034 --> 00:28:23,724 to support such an incredible claim? 514 00:28:23,827 --> 00:28:27,931 According to Jeffrey Keene, there are signs 515 00:28:28,034 --> 00:28:32,413 that can be found once you know where to look for them. 516 00:28:32,517 --> 00:28:35,344 KEENE: In Antietam, where Gordon was wounded, 517 00:28:35,448 --> 00:28:39,344 he described that he had been shot through the right calf, 518 00:28:39,448 --> 00:28:41,482 higher up on the same leg, 519 00:28:41,586 --> 00:28:44,103 and the left arm. 520 00:28:44,206 --> 00:28:46,793 So I had a pretty good picture of where he'd been wounded. 521 00:28:46,896 --> 00:28:49,551 Now, on my right leg, 522 00:28:49,655 --> 00:28:53,931 I have, uh, I guess you would call them varicose veins. 523 00:28:54,034 --> 00:28:58,586 I only have them in two places: on my right calf, 524 00:28:58,689 --> 00:29:00,275 higher up on the same leg. 525 00:29:00,379 --> 00:29:04,000 My left arm, I had a blood clot removed 526 00:29:04,103 --> 00:29:06,344 when I was in my 20s. 527 00:29:06,448 --> 00:29:08,172 It seems to me that, uh, 528 00:29:08,275 --> 00:29:11,103 could have been one of the places Gordon had been wounded. 529 00:29:11,206 --> 00:29:13,586 But you use the word "coincidence," 530 00:29:13,689 --> 00:29:16,275 it can apply in some cases, 531 00:29:16,379 --> 00:29:19,172 uh, but there are small coincidences 532 00:29:19,275 --> 00:29:21,586 and then there's big coincidences. 533 00:29:21,689 --> 00:29:22,965 What I have is evidence. 534 00:29:23,068 --> 00:29:24,655 I have very strong evidence. 535 00:29:27,034 --> 00:29:29,413 SHATNER: Are Jeffrey Keene's scars 536 00:29:29,517 --> 00:29:32,655 evidence that our souls are recycled back into this world 537 00:29:32,758 --> 00:29:34,517 after we die? 538 00:29:34,620 --> 00:29:38,068 According to some researchers, the answer is yes. 539 00:29:38,172 --> 00:29:40,724 And they argue that further proof can be found 540 00:29:40,827 --> 00:29:43,724 not only in physical scars... 541 00:29:43,827 --> 00:29:46,896 but also in mental ones. 542 00:29:48,344 --> 00:29:50,310 There's been substantial research done 543 00:29:50,413 --> 00:29:52,931 at the University of Virginia with children, 544 00:29:53,034 --> 00:29:55,241 showing that a subset of these children 545 00:29:55,344 --> 00:29:57,965 remember times before they were born 546 00:29:58,068 --> 00:30:01,103 that are then confirmed by historical records. 547 00:30:01,206 --> 00:30:04,862 And those data are very consistent with the idea 548 00:30:04,965 --> 00:30:07,034 that reincarnation is a real phenomenon. 549 00:30:07,137 --> 00:30:09,965 COREY: The reason why it is significant 550 00:30:10,068 --> 00:30:12,827 to study children, it is because their memories 551 00:30:12,931 --> 00:30:15,344 are still fresh-- they haven't been 552 00:30:15,448 --> 00:30:17,793 on the Earth for a very long time, so... 553 00:30:17,896 --> 00:30:21,103 they still have that remembrance of the past life 554 00:30:21,206 --> 00:30:23,517 very vividly in their mind. 555 00:30:23,620 --> 00:30:27,620 For example, one of the most famous reincarnation stories 556 00:30:27,724 --> 00:30:30,586 is that of Shanti Devi. 557 00:30:30,689 --> 00:30:34,103 Shanti, since the age of four, kept telling her parents 558 00:30:34,206 --> 00:30:37,206 that she came from another town called Mathura. 559 00:30:37,310 --> 00:30:39,172 After being interviewed by her teachers, 560 00:30:39,275 --> 00:30:43,620 she gives them the name of her husband, who was still alive 561 00:30:43,724 --> 00:30:46,758 and lived in Mathura at that time. 562 00:30:46,862 --> 00:30:50,034 They end up locating a merchant in Mathura 563 00:30:50,137 --> 00:30:54,655 whose wife had died ten days after giving birth to their son. 564 00:30:54,758 --> 00:30:57,241 Shanti recognizes him and says, 565 00:30:57,344 --> 00:31:00,137 "This is my husband, Kedar Nath." 566 00:31:00,241 --> 00:31:04,068 She even says that he neglected to carry out the promises 567 00:31:04,172 --> 00:31:07,103 that he made on her deathbed. 568 00:31:07,206 --> 00:31:10,137 KINSELLA: Ultimately, Mahatma Gandhi set up a commission 569 00:31:10,241 --> 00:31:12,793 to determine whether or not this story was accurate, 570 00:31:12,896 --> 00:31:15,827 and the committee members decided that this was, in fact, 571 00:31:15,931 --> 00:31:18,000 proof of reincarnation. 572 00:31:18,103 --> 00:31:20,620 KEENE: I don't think anybody should be forced 573 00:31:20,724 --> 00:31:22,034 to believe anything. 574 00:31:22,137 --> 00:31:24,068 But I know it's true to me. 575 00:31:24,172 --> 00:31:26,344 You have to make up your own mind. 576 00:31:26,448 --> 00:31:29,068 All I ask is you keep an open mind. 577 00:31:30,517 --> 00:31:33,827 If our souls can, in fact, be recycled, 578 00:31:33,931 --> 00:31:36,655 I hope mine doesn't get put in the shredder. 579 00:31:36,758 --> 00:31:38,586 But if, as many believe, 580 00:31:38,689 --> 00:31:43,931 we're locked in a never-ending cycle of life and rebirth, 581 00:31:44,034 --> 00:31:46,931 what happens when that cycle gets interrupted 582 00:31:47,034 --> 00:31:50,310 and we're literally brought back from the dead? 583 00:31:50,413 --> 00:31:53,068 Perhaps the answer can be found by meeting people 584 00:31:53,172 --> 00:31:55,000 who not only returned, 585 00:31:55,103 --> 00:31:57,655 but have come back 586 00:31:57,758 --> 00:32:00,793 with extraordinary abilities. 587 00:32:05,551 --> 00:32:07,896 SHATNER: Seattle, Washington. 588 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,068 December 1976. 589 00:32:11,172 --> 00:32:13,862 Research biologist, Joyce Hawkes, 590 00:32:13,965 --> 00:32:16,793 is spending a quiet Saturday at home. 591 00:32:16,896 --> 00:32:19,931 But on this particular day, 592 00:32:20,034 --> 00:32:22,689 something happens that will alter 593 00:32:22,793 --> 00:32:25,206 the course of her entire life. 594 00:32:26,931 --> 00:32:28,413 [whirring] 595 00:32:28,517 --> 00:32:30,137 HAWKES: I was vacuuming 596 00:32:30,241 --> 00:32:34,379 right in front of my fireplace, and up on the ledge 597 00:32:34,482 --> 00:32:39,655 on the fireplace was a large, beautiful leaded glass window 598 00:32:39,758 --> 00:32:42,103 that I'd purchased in an antique store. 599 00:32:42,206 --> 00:32:46,862 All of a sudden, this leaded glass window is coming at me. 600 00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:50,206 And I like, "Ah," boom and it hits me. 601 00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:53,758 And all I remember then is just, all of a sudden, 602 00:32:53,862 --> 00:32:56,482 in front of me was a long, dark tunnel, 603 00:32:56,586 --> 00:32:59,413 and at the end was this bright light. 604 00:32:59,517 --> 00:33:01,241 And I was drawn to it. 605 00:33:01,344 --> 00:33:04,896 Then I passed through the entrance to the light 606 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,586 and I was in a place of rolling hills 607 00:33:08,689 --> 00:33:12,241 and beautiful color. 608 00:33:17,517 --> 00:33:19,241 And then, bang, I'm back, 609 00:33:19,344 --> 00:33:23,896 all of a sudden, on the floor in my living room. 610 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,655 SHATNER: In the months after her near-death experience, 611 00:33:27,758 --> 00:33:29,517 Joyce hoped to return to normalcy 612 00:33:29,620 --> 00:33:32,793 and resume her scientific work in the lab. 613 00:33:32,896 --> 00:33:35,586 But she soon realized that, after her brush 614 00:33:35,689 --> 00:33:39,655 with the afterlife, nothing would be the same. 615 00:33:39,758 --> 00:33:42,206 Because Joyce now had the ability 616 00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:46,862 to see things that no one else could. 617 00:33:46,965 --> 00:33:49,758 What I noticed is I could see inside people's bodies, 618 00:33:49,862 --> 00:33:51,586 I could read their bodies. 619 00:33:51,689 --> 00:33:54,103 And there are times when I actually can look 620 00:33:54,206 --> 00:33:57,344 into people's bodies and see something going on 621 00:33:57,448 --> 00:33:59,620 that hasn't been diagnosed. 622 00:33:59,724 --> 00:34:02,965 I resigned my position at the lab 623 00:34:03,068 --> 00:34:06,965 and I started seeing individuals in the basement of my house. 624 00:34:07,068 --> 00:34:10,965 One time, a woman came to me and was on the treatment table 625 00:34:11,068 --> 00:34:15,137 and, all of a sudden, her abdomen opened up 626 00:34:15,241 --> 00:34:18,655 and I saw a small tumor in a very precise location. 627 00:34:18,758 --> 00:34:21,862 And I said, "Please go to your doctor and have it checked out." 628 00:34:21,965 --> 00:34:24,448 She had to have surgery, and it saved her 629 00:34:24,551 --> 00:34:28,862 from having a very serious kind of uterine cancer. 630 00:34:28,965 --> 00:34:32,310 KINSELLA: In the case of near-death experiences, 631 00:34:32,413 --> 00:34:36,758 a number of people report developing heightened intuition, 632 00:34:36,862 --> 00:34:39,172 gaining some kind of psychic ability. 633 00:34:39,275 --> 00:34:42,482 They report manifestations of the paranormal that seem to be 634 00:34:42,586 --> 00:34:45,724 much more common after these kinds of experiences. 635 00:34:45,827 --> 00:34:49,137 MISHLOVE: A materialistic scientist would say, "How can that be? 636 00:34:49,241 --> 00:34:51,241 These things don't exist at all," 637 00:34:51,344 --> 00:34:55,206 but, in fact, they're reported hundreds and hundreds of times. 638 00:34:56,931 --> 00:35:00,862 HAWKES: There's something beyond the neurons, 639 00:35:00,965 --> 00:35:03,724 the astrocytes, the glial cells, in our brain 640 00:35:03,827 --> 00:35:06,034 going "jun, jun, jun, jun." 641 00:35:06,137 --> 00:35:10,310 Something beyond that which we have awareness of. 642 00:35:12,172 --> 00:35:15,310 SHATNER: The power to see through flesh 643 00:35:15,413 --> 00:35:19,379 and diagnose ailments might seem preposterous. 644 00:35:19,482 --> 00:35:21,965 But could it be true? 645 00:35:22,068 --> 00:35:24,551 Is it possible that when Joyce Hawkes nearly died, 646 00:35:24,655 --> 00:35:30,517 she came back with psychic abilities that defy explanation? 647 00:35:30,620 --> 00:35:33,241 Perhaps the answers can be found by examining cases 648 00:35:33,344 --> 00:35:38,379 in which people claim to not only see someone's ailment, 649 00:35:38,482 --> 00:35:40,413 but also heal it. 650 00:35:41,551 --> 00:35:43,413 Richmond, Virginia. 651 00:35:43,517 --> 00:35:46,241 September 5, 2005. 652 00:35:46,344 --> 00:35:48,379 David Schwartz goes to the hospital to be treated 653 00:35:48,482 --> 00:35:52,896 for what he believes is a nagging ear infection. 654 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,551 But in fact, his illness is much, much worse. 655 00:35:57,655 --> 00:35:59,965 DAVID SCHWARTZ: I checked myself into the emergency room. 656 00:36:00,068 --> 00:36:02,000 That was Monday afternoon. 657 00:36:02,103 --> 00:36:05,758 And by Tuesday afternoon, I was in a coma. 658 00:36:05,862 --> 00:36:08,103 My kidneys were shut down, 659 00:36:08,206 --> 00:36:11,448 all of my organs were failing and the blood flow was lost 660 00:36:11,551 --> 00:36:15,241 in my brain stem as well, which would have meant brain death. 661 00:36:15,344 --> 00:36:18,482 They told my mom and my dad that, 662 00:36:18,586 --> 00:36:21,379 really, that I had a limited amount of time left. 663 00:36:21,482 --> 00:36:25,413 SHATNER: With their son facing certain death due to kidney failure, 664 00:36:25,517 --> 00:36:27,931 David's parents were willing to try anything 665 00:36:28,034 --> 00:36:30,068 that might help him. 666 00:36:30,172 --> 00:36:34,034 So they reached out to Scarlett Heinbuch, a woman who, 667 00:36:34,137 --> 00:36:37,620 after having a near-death experience in childhood, 668 00:36:37,724 --> 00:36:42,758 claimed to be gifted with incredible healing powers. 669 00:36:42,862 --> 00:36:44,758 SCARLETT HEINBUCH: When I walked in David's hospital room 670 00:36:44,862 --> 00:36:46,655 for the first time, I knew he was near death. 671 00:36:46,758 --> 00:36:49,034 He was unconscious and I took his hand 672 00:36:49,137 --> 00:36:52,137 and I'm standing right by his bedside when, all of a sudden, 673 00:36:52,241 --> 00:36:54,931 I was out of my body, in another realm. 674 00:36:55,034 --> 00:36:58,241 And he was hovering there and there was soul connection 675 00:36:58,344 --> 00:37:01,137 and I felt him with every fiber of my being, 676 00:37:01,241 --> 00:37:05,034 and he made a decision at that point to come back. 677 00:37:07,482 --> 00:37:09,965 SCHWARTZ: When I first awoke and saw Scarlett, 678 00:37:10,068 --> 00:37:12,620 I had the sense that I knew who she was, 679 00:37:12,724 --> 00:37:14,413 and I knew everything about her. 680 00:37:14,517 --> 00:37:18,206 HEINBUCH: David looked up at me and, all of a sudden, 681 00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:21,448 the next thing I was aware of was that I was 682 00:37:21,551 --> 00:37:23,896 seeing four beings. 683 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,620 They were tall and they were colored blue. 684 00:37:26,724 --> 00:37:30,827 I saw them manifesting a set of kidneys, if you will. 685 00:37:30,931 --> 00:37:34,620 I saw the kidneys being dropped into his body. 686 00:37:34,724 --> 00:37:38,965 David's recovery after that was so stunning that the doctors 687 00:37:39,068 --> 00:37:42,344 and nurses at this hospital called him "miracle boy." 688 00:37:42,448 --> 00:37:44,379 SCHWARTZ: When I came out of the coma, 689 00:37:44,482 --> 00:37:46,724 it was absolutely because we had an experience. 690 00:37:46,827 --> 00:37:48,896 I don't know what happened there, 691 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,448 but I do know that it happened, 692 00:37:51,551 --> 00:37:53,379 because the doctors told me that they didn't have an explanation 693 00:37:53,482 --> 00:37:56,172 as to why I was making the recovery that I was making. 694 00:37:58,275 --> 00:38:02,034 SHATNER: Today, David Schwartz has two fully functioning kidneys, 695 00:38:02,137 --> 00:38:05,000 and both he and Scarlett Heinbuch have no doubt 696 00:38:05,103 --> 00:38:07,241 in their minds that it was the powerful connection 697 00:38:07,344 --> 00:38:11,689 between their souls that saved David's life. 698 00:38:11,793 --> 00:38:16,379 Are stories like those of Joyce Hawkes and Scarlett Heinbuch 699 00:38:16,482 --> 00:38:19,724 evidence that the soul is real, 700 00:38:19,827 --> 00:38:21,448 and can actually become empowered 701 00:38:21,551 --> 00:38:25,586 with strange and otherworldly abilities? 702 00:38:25,689 --> 00:38:28,965 According to people who study near-death experiences, 703 00:38:29,068 --> 00:38:32,586 the answer is a profound yes. 704 00:38:32,689 --> 00:38:37,620 And they also insist that these tales of strange coincidences 705 00:38:37,724 --> 00:38:41,758 and psychic connections are really meant to assure us 706 00:38:41,862 --> 00:38:44,551 that we are all very much connected, 707 00:38:44,655 --> 00:38:49,482 and not only in the ways we've been taught to imagine. 708 00:38:56,344 --> 00:39:00,275 SHATNER: Everything that lives must also eventually die. 709 00:39:00,379 --> 00:39:05,068 And yet, for people who believe they've touched or been touched 710 00:39:05,172 --> 00:39:08,379 by what they refer to as the other side, 711 00:39:08,482 --> 00:39:10,931 death is not an ending, 712 00:39:11,034 --> 00:39:14,517 but a gateway toward a new beginning. 713 00:39:14,620 --> 00:39:18,344 They live with a certainty that the rest of us will never have. 714 00:39:18,448 --> 00:39:22,206 That is, until we die. 715 00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:24,241 [siren wails] 716 00:39:24,344 --> 00:39:27,000 KINSELLA: I think near-death experiences and related phenomena 717 00:39:27,103 --> 00:39:32,413 are so fascinating, frustrating and mysterious 718 00:39:32,517 --> 00:39:36,310 because the footprints they leave behind are very muddied. 719 00:39:36,413 --> 00:39:40,068 And what I mean by that is there seems to be enough proof, 720 00:39:40,172 --> 00:39:44,241 enough anecdotal evidence, to where if people really want 721 00:39:44,344 --> 00:39:47,103 to believe these stories, they want to believe this phenomena, 722 00:39:47,206 --> 00:39:48,551 they certainly can. 723 00:39:48,655 --> 00:39:52,034 But for those that are absolutely certain 724 00:39:52,137 --> 00:39:56,793 that these experiences are, by and large, byproducts 725 00:39:56,896 --> 00:40:01,793 of naturalistic phenomena, like, maybe biological stress, 726 00:40:01,896 --> 00:40:04,724 then there certainly is not enough compelling evidence 727 00:40:04,827 --> 00:40:08,896 that would be able to-to shift them over. 728 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,896 HAWKES: I've heard that near-death experiences 729 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,517 are really some kind of vision or sleep experience. 730 00:40:17,620 --> 00:40:20,241 For myself, I know it wasn't, because I know 731 00:40:20,344 --> 00:40:25,034 what my dreams were like, and this was so different than that. 732 00:40:25,137 --> 00:40:29,448 It's far beyond a dream state, or a state 733 00:40:29,551 --> 00:40:31,862 where there's no oxygen to the brain 734 00:40:31,965 --> 00:40:36,172 and you have some kind of weird thing that lasts. 735 00:40:36,275 --> 00:40:38,793 Now, before my coma, I thought, well, it's just a hallucination. 736 00:40:38,896 --> 00:40:40,620 It's a trick of the dying brain. 737 00:40:40,724 --> 00:40:44,965 So, in many ways, it was very refreshing to me 738 00:40:45,068 --> 00:40:47,000 as I came out of this experience, 739 00:40:47,103 --> 00:40:49,103 and-and especially in those months after my coma. 740 00:40:49,206 --> 00:40:52,034 I came to realize that there are a number of scientists, 741 00:40:52,137 --> 00:40:55,413 literally hundreds of scientists around the world, 742 00:40:55,517 --> 00:40:56,793 who have been studying these problems 743 00:40:56,896 --> 00:40:59,172 very diligently for decades, 744 00:40:59,275 --> 00:41:03,310 and they're actually making tremendous progress. 745 00:41:03,413 --> 00:41:07,551 BERLIN: It's that there might be energies, forces, 746 00:41:07,655 --> 00:41:09,344 things that we haven't yet discovered 747 00:41:09,448 --> 00:41:12,103 that we may never discover. 748 00:41:12,206 --> 00:41:15,000 And however you want to fill in that gap, 749 00:41:15,103 --> 00:41:19,344 whether it's mysticism, spirituality, religion, 750 00:41:19,448 --> 00:41:23,689 I think that's left to each individual person. 751 00:41:28,931 --> 00:41:32,655 SHATNER: Near-death experiences, 752 00:41:32,758 --> 00:41:35,620 the psychic connections between identical twins 753 00:41:35,724 --> 00:41:39,448 and tales of reincarnation. 754 00:41:39,551 --> 00:41:43,103 Are these all evidence that there really is a soul? 755 00:41:43,206 --> 00:41:45,517 Or is it that we're all so desperate to believe 756 00:41:45,620 --> 00:41:47,827 in our own immortality 757 00:41:47,931 --> 00:41:50,758 that we look for evidence to reassure ourselves 758 00:41:50,862 --> 00:41:54,655 that death is not really the end? 759 00:41:54,758 --> 00:41:58,413 Well, when that day comes, 760 00:41:58,517 --> 00:42:02,448 we will not only learn the truth, but also the answers 761 00:42:02,551 --> 00:42:04,758 to all the other mysteries that are, until then, 762 00:42:04,862 --> 00:42:07,172 The UnXplained. 62190

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