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SOLDIER:
Fire!
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WILLIAM SHATNER:
Eerie recollections...
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of someone else's memories.
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Two people who share one mind.
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And people who have been able
to see their own bodies
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while at the point of death.
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What happens to us after we die?
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Do our memories
or our personalities--
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everything that makes us
who we are--
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does it all just... disappear?
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Or do we have a consciousness,
a-a soul...
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that lives on?
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Well, that is what
we'll try and find out.
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♪
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[wind whistling]
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SHATNER:
Lynchburg, Virginia.
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November 10, 2008.
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Accomplished neurosurgeon,
Dr. Eben Alexander,
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is rushed to the hospital
after suffering
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from severe back spasms
and headaches.
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After performing a spinal tap,
doctors discover that
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his spine and brain are swollen
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with a thick,
pus-filled liquid--
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the sign of a deadly
meningitis infection.
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Shortly afterward,
Dr. Alexander slips into a coma.
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His brain begins shutting down.
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My brain was being overrun
by an extremely primitive,
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aggressive bacterial infection.
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One that is almost
uniformly fatal.
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Some of the fundamental
brain stem reflexes were absent.
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My pupils weren't responding.
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My neocortex was
horribly damaged.
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People just don't come back
from this kind of meningitis.
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My doctors called
my family together,
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and they felt that there was
no chance for recovery.
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SHATNER:
As a surgeon, Dr. Alexander
helped save the lives
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of countless others.
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Now he lies helpless,
at the mercy
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of the killer bacteria
that is whittling
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his brain function
down to nothing.
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But then,
something remarkable happens.
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I was in very deep coma.
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My brain was fully inflamed
from this.
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All eight lobes were involved.
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Uh, there was really
no place in my brain
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for any kind of
conscious experience to happen.
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SHATNER:
After clinging to life
by the barest of threads,
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Dr. Alexander eventually makes
an extraordinary recovery--
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one that baffles his physicians.
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But perhaps even more baffling
is the inexplicable array
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of sensations that Dr. Alexander
believes he experienced
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while in a coma.
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I was rescued by this
slowly spinning white light
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that came packaged
with a perfect musical melody.
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I felt a sensation
of going through a tunnel,
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being lifted up
out of space and time,
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and that opened up
into this rich ultra-real valley
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that I call the Gateway Valley.
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It was an incredible,
beautiful scene,
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and yet, the most
profound mystery.
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SHATNER:
Did Dr. Alexander experience
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a hallucination?
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Or was he really given a glimpse
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into a life beyond
the one we know?
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A life beyond death?
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If true,
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the idea is almost
too incredible to comprehend.
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But consider this: Dr. Alexander
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is just one of millions who,
at the point of death,
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claim to have taken the same,
virtually identical journey--
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a journey which is
collectively referred to
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as a near-death experience.
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GREGORY SHUSHAN:
A near-death experience is when
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somebody dies clinically,
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and they come back to life
and describe having had
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strange experiences,
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such as traveling
through darkness,
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emerging into another realm,
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meeting deceased relatives
or a being of light,
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traveling back to the body,
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often being told to go back to
the body by this being of light.
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Raymond Moody was really
the pioneering figure
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in the scientific study
of near-death experiences,
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who wrote a book called
Life After Life.
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Before Moody came along,
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you had descriptions
of these accounts,
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but nobody called it
a near-death experience.
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In the United States,
about 800 people a day
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report that they're having
near-death experiences.
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And if you think about that
over the course of years
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and across the whole world,
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that's probably
millions of people,
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which makes me think that
this is a real phenomenon.
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People are really
experiencing this.
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They're not making it up.
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Before my coma, I fully bought
into the, uh, teachings,
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uh, that the physical world
is all that exists.
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That's kind of the conventional
scientific model.
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But when I first opened my eyes
in that ICU bed,
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my brain was absolutely wrecked,
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and all I remembered
was where I'd been,
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that extraordinary
spiritual journey deep in coma.
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That's why near-death
experiencers
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come back to this world
and realize
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that we are eternal
spiritual beings
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and that our physical body
is only a vessel
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that serves our soul
in transition
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through this phase
of our journey.
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SHATNER:
The soul?
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The intangible essence of who we
are that lives on after we die?
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If the near-death experiences
reported by millions
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have, in fact, really happened
as described,
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then could this be proof
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that the soul actually exists,
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and that there really is
some form of life
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beyond death?
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The concept of the soul
is one of the deepest,
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most far-reaching questions
in all of science,
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and for that matter,
in all of human history.
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Throughout history,
poets, philosophers have tried
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to single out what is the soul,
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what is the essence
of what makes us human?
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It speaks to our yearning
for more time.
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To go beyond
the short amount of time
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that's been given us
as human beings.
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If you look to questions
about the soul,
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you see that these really speak
to our fears, our desires,
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what we want most
and what matters most.
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SHATNER:
Not surprisingly,
not everyone's convinced
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that the soul really exists.
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As far as many in the scientific
community are concerned,
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it is little more
than a concept brought about
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by wishful thinking.
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KAKU:
There is a theory
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that says that people
who are prone
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to have these near-death
experiences are also prone
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to have lots of dream activity
during REM sleep.
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Maybe they were hallucinating,
or some people think that, aha,
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maybe that could explain
near-death experience.
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I would maintain,
along with virtually everybody
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who is engaged in the study
of near-death experiences,
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that these are not aberrations,
these are not hallucinations.
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How is it possible
that people are having
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such rich conscious experiences
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when the brain itself
is not functioning?
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There's a case report
in September 2018
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in the Journal of Nervous
and Mental Diseaseon my case,
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and it makes it clear to anyone
in the medical profession
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that I was deathly ill and that
my brain was terribly devastated
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by this infection
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and should not have been able
to produce
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any kind of consciousness.
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From my point of view,
death of the physical body
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is not the end of the
conscious awareness.
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Near-death experiences
are showing us,
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in no uncertain fashion,
that we are souls
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living in a spiritual universe
and that all the major factors
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involved in the events
of our lives
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have to do with that
soul journey
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and with that spiritual nature.
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SHATNER:
Consciousness in the absence
of brain activity?
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According to mainstream scientists,
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such a thing is not possible.
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But what if they're
missing the target?
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Perhaps the answer can be found
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by investigating
further evidence that,
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not only does a soul exist,
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but it might actually be transplanted
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from one body to another.
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SHATNER:
Atlanta, Georgia.
December 1992.
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17-year-old Amy Tippins
is having difficulty breathing.
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Suspecting that she has
some form of pneumonia,
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she makes an appointment
with her family doctor.
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But the actual diagnosis
she receives is,
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in a word, shocking.
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TIPPINS:
My senior year of high school,
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I started developing
what I thought was pneumonia,
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and then when they went in
to do some further testing,
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they realized
I didn't have pneumonia,
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it was actually a tumor
pushing on my diaphragm
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and making it much harder
for me to breathe,
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and I was in full liver failure.
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They said, "She'll," you know,
"she needs to have a transplant
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or she'll hemorrhage to death."
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SHATNER:
With time running out,
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Amy received her new liver
and survived.
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But in the months
following her transplant,
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she found herself exhibiting
interests and abilities
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that were, not only new to her,
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but also surprising.
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TIPPINS:
Not long after surgery,
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some things about myself and
some of my traits had changed.
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Within a couple of years
of my transplant,
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I really started
to love projects,
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like replacing flooring
on my own.
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I never saw flooring
being put in.
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I never saw anything
like that being done.
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What I discovered
is it was actually fun
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to work with my hands.
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Just kind of go,
"Huh, that's interesting."
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SHATNER:
Of course,
it isn't surprising that people
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who have had lifesaving
transplant operations
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often report experiencing
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- a new outlook on life.
- [heart beating]
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But new interests?
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New personality traits?
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Is it possible that Amy Tippins
was getting these
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from somewhere else?
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I knew my donor was a male,
I knew he was 47
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and that he had been killed in a
car wreck in Columbus, Georgia.
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So I went to the library
and I started
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looking up obituaries
from that time.
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And I kind of backed
into his obituary,
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and backed into figuring out
who he was.
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What I discovered
is he was a police officer.
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He was 47 and his name was Mike.
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His sister told me that he did a
lot of his own home renovation.
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He also liked
to work with his hands.
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He liked to do projects.
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When I found out who my donor
was, it made a lot more sense
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on why some things about myself
and some of my traits
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had changed after transplant.
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SHATNER:
Personality traits and even
recreational interests
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coming from
a transplanted organ?
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Is such a bizarre notion
even scientifically possible?
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I've had clients
come to the office
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who've had organ transplants
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who are baffled
by what they experience,
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and some did have memories
that were foreign to them.
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And then somehow or other found
out what the person was like
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whose organ that they now have,
and it matches.
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It's unusual, and I don't have
an explanation for it.
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MISHLOVE:
They very often report not only
the memories of the donor
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but sometimes the behavioral
patterns of the donor.
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It certainly suggests
that memory
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and-and even behavior patterns
can be embedded
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in these organs in ways
that science has no clue.
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GARY SCHWARTZ:
After looking at all the cases
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that we had access to,
I developed a theory about how
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if the brain can learn,
then other organs
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like the heart or the lungs
or the liver could learn.
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We analyzed ten
of the best cases
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where the-- it was clear
that the individual
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had these kinds
of personality changes,
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and it was only later that
they then met family members.
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[indistinct radio chatter]
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One case in particular
was of a young boy
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who had been killed
in a drive-by shooting,
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and his heart was donated
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to a foundry worker
who was 47 years old.
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What happened was he developed
a passion for classical music.
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And then he subsequently
ended up meeting the mother
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of this young boy, and he
learned that this young man
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was taking
classical violin lessons
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and literally was shot as he was
leaving his music lessons.
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From my point of view,
it simply goes to show
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that as much as we want
to pretend that things
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like mind and consciousness
and personality
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are all stuck in the brain,
um, they're really not.
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SHATNER:
Could our memories,
our identities,
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even our consciousness, be
stored in not just our brains,
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but within each and every part
of our bodies?
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If that's true, could these
traits also be inherited,
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just like the color of our eyes
or the size of our ears?
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According to a groundbreaking
study conducted
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at the Icahn School of Medicine
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at Mount Sinai Hospital
in New York City,
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the answer might just be
a resounding yes.
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About 25 years ago, we began
studying the adult children
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of Holocaust survivors.
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And what we learned
was that Holocaust offspring
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were more likely
to have been diagnosed
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with mood and anxiety disorders.
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And we were able to observe
epigenetic changes
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on, actually, two small segments
of two stress-related genes,
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which really captured
our attention.
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Then you start to wonder
why a child of a trauma survivor
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would have such a change
on their DNA.
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Is there a way that information
somehow stays with us,
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maybe in our germ cells,
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maybe in other places, and then
somehow, they are passed?
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SCHWARTZ:
The findings about
the cross-generational
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parent transfer from Holocaust
survivors to their children,
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is evidence that the, uh,
the body itself
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is a much more exquisite system
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for storing energy information
about our lives.
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And that that information
could not only be transferred
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in the case
of an organ transplant,
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but it also could be transferred
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and continued
across generations.
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KINSELLA:
Studies like this are suggesting
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that we really don't know
how mind, how memory,
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how experience work, we don't
know how that resonates
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with us in body.
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HAWKES:
I think it's very clear
that there's something
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about us as beings
that's beyond the brain,
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and people have
used the word soul or spirit.
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It's one of those very curious
and unexplained mysteries
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of who are we
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and what comes
and goes with our bodies,
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our cells, our organs.
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His DNA is still
in my bloodstream,
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and they say
that DNA carries memories.
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To this day, I still continue to
find out information about him.
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I'd go, "Huh, that's interesting
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in how it relates to me."
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Can transplanted organs
really contain
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some part of
the donor's identity?
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Conventional medicine believes
the notion is far-fetched.
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So how do you explain
what we just saw?
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Is our life experience encoded
not just in our brain
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but throughout our entire body?
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Perhaps the answer
can be found by examining
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whether such a connection exists
between two people
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who are physically identical
in every way.
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Twins.
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SHATNER:
Los Angeles, California.
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March 2004.
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Linda Jamison is out
for a romantic evening
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when she becomes struck
by a strange
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and overpowering sensation.
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Something in her tells her that
her identical twin sister Terry
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is in mortal danger.
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LINDA:
While I was on a date
with a guy,
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in the middle of the dinner,
I said, "Oh, my gosh,
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"I... I have this
horrible feeling.
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"I have to get home
to see if Terry's okay,
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'cause I don't feel she's okay."
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And when I went home,
I went up to our apartment,
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and Terry was lying in bed,
unable to speak or hear.
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And, I mean,
it was so terrifying.
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It was kind of like a weird
virus that had taken me over...
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- It was a virus.
- ...like, very quickly.
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[siren wailing]
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And she got me to the ER just
in time and they said, "Wow,
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you could have died."
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SHATNER:
Faced with what could have been
a fatal viral infection,
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Terry was saved
in the nick of time.
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But was Linda's belief
that her sister was in danger
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merely a coincidence,
or was it something more?
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Twins share more than genes.
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They've shared
an intrauterine environment.
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They've shared a set
of early experiences together.
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They have been there with each
other through early attachments
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and early developmental milestones.
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So the idea that twins feel
really connected to each other
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is not very surprising.
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LINDA:
It's a weird thing
to describe to singletons,
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but we've always had
that mysterious bond,
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that special bond twins have
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where they can feel
each other's pain
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or they can determine
what's gonna happen next
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- with the other twin.
- We're just always intuiting
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what the other wants
or what the other twin needs
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or, you know,
helping each other constantly.
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SHATNER:
Twins,
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each one constantly in sync
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with what the other
wants or needs?
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It is often said that the bond
between twins is so strong,
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they can actually read
each other's minds.
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But is that just an expression,
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or could it be true?
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Studies that were done
in Copenhagen and in London
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took monozygotic pairs--
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so really, really twins,
absolute identical DNA--
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isolated them, and then,
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for one of them, uh,
was subjected
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to different kinds of shocks.
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The distant twin was wired up
with polygraph equipment.
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So these were designed to see
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what was happening
in the distant twin.
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But one shock would have been
literally an electric shock,
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another would be that, at a time
that they didn't know,
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somebody behind them would drop
a whole bunch of plates,
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make a big racket.
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So they found roughly
eight to ten percent
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of the twins that were tested
showed that there was
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some kind of a correlation
between one person
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getting a shock and the other
person responding.
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30% of twins report a telepathic
connection with their twin,
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and it is because they're
sharing a similar genetic code
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on some level,
but on another level,
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they're also connected
on a soul level
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that allows them to stay
in this telepathic communication
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at all times.
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But we also called it
"twin tuition,"
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because there was no word
to describe that weird,
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you know, mysterious feeling
where your twin is suffering
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somewhere, and you pick up on it
somehow and even feel
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the physical pain
that that twin is feeling.
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It's very eerie.
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[heart beating]
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SHATNER:
Despite the claims
of Linda and Terry Jamison,
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and thousands more like them,
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skeptics often argue
that what is interpreted
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as a psychic connection
between twins
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is merely a misinterpretation
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of the fondness
they have for each other.
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But if identical twins
really do share
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an inexplicable attachment,
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then perhaps evidence
of this link can be found
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in cases of twins who have
remarkable similarities,
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even though
they were raised separately.
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So I've been working with twins
raised apart for many years.
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And we find that identical twins
do show many traits in common,
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even after years of separation.
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So for example, the Jim twins,
Jim Lewis and Jim Springer,
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grew up in Ohio
about 30 or 40 miles apart.
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And they had a long list
of similarities.
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For one thing, they both had
woodworking benches
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in their houses;
they both loved to do woodwork.
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They both had dogs named Toy,
and they both had older sons
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that they named James Allen.
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Both of them worked part-time
as sheriffs,
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both drove light blue
Chevrolets, and they both
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used to vacation
on the same three-block strip
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of beach in Florida.
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We don't know the reason
for that, but the point is
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that when you see these
similarities repeated
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in identical twins raised apart,
and not in fraternals,
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it creates a whole new set
of hypotheses
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that you can begin to explore.
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TERRY:
Whether people want to look
at the evidence,
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that's up to them.
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And we're not trying to convince
anyone, but it's a weird thing.
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It's like we're two wings
of a bird.
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We believe that we were
bifurcated--
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a bifurcated soul-- which means
one soul with two bodies.
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SHATNER:
If one soul can be shared
between two people,
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as Linda and Terry Jamison
believe, could it also explain
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how twins appear to communicate
with each other telepathically?
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And if so, does this
shared consciousness
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simply go away
after one of them dies?
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Perhaps the answer can be found
by hearing the story of a man
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who believes his soul
doesn't just serve one body...
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...but several.
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SHATNER:
Sharpsburg, Maryland.
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May 1991.
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00:24:04,724 --> 00:24:07,827
Connecticut fire chief,
Jeffrey Keene,
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is on a road trip with his wife
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when suddenly he feels
a strange urge
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00:24:13,413 --> 00:24:15,896
to make a detour.
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My wife and I, uh,
like to go antique hunting,
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and we had been
through Pennsylvania
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and headed down into Maryland.
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We were very near where
the Battle of Antietam
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had been fought,
448
00:24:29,827 --> 00:24:32,206
and I was always impressed
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00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:35,275
with the bravery of the men
that fought in the Civil War.
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It strikes a chord in you.
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So I asked my wife
if it was okay if we, uh,
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take a little side trip
to go see the battlefield.
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SOLDIER:
Fire!
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SHATNER:
On September 17, 1862,
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Union forces cornered
Confederate troops
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near Antietam Creek
as they attempted an incursion
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into Maryland.
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It was the first major battle
of the Civil War
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to take place on Union soil.
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All told, almost
125,000 soldiers took part
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in the fighting.
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And by day's end,
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the battlefield
was soaked with the blood
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of more than 22,000 souls.
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Now, nearly 130 years later,
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Jeffrey Keene and his wife
arrived at the battlefield,
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hoping to experience
a bit of this history.
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But while visiting the site,
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Jeffrey had
a very different experience,
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one that would prove to be
far more personal
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than he could ever
have imagined.
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KEENE:
Well, we went to the
battlefield, and all of a sudden
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I couldn't breathe.
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I started crying, uh,
I had burning tears
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00:26:10,482 --> 00:26:12,379
running down my cheek,
I didn't know what was going on.
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And, uh, I literally crawled up
to the side of the road
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and, uh, got myself together,
went back to the car.
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On the, uh, way home, we stopped
at a gift store, and, uh,
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there was a magazine there.
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The whole magazine
was done on Antietam.
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And when we got home,
I was reading through,
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and came across
a full-figure picture
483
00:26:37,586 --> 00:26:39,586
of General John B. Gordon.
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He was a colonel at the battle,
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and he'd been wounded
five times, but he-he survived.
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And I looked at the face,
and I told people
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I know the face very well.
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I shave it every morning.
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SHATNER:
Jeffrey Keene.
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00:26:58,206 --> 00:27:01,241
Confederate General
John B. Gordon.
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The resemblance is,
in a word, uncanny.
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So much so that Jeffrey began
to wonder...
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00:27:10,758 --> 00:27:14,620
...could the strange reaction
he experienced
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while visiting Antietam
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00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:21,172
be some sort of emotional echo?
496
00:27:21,275 --> 00:27:24,655
A connection that suggests
that Jeffrey Keene
497
00:27:24,758 --> 00:27:30,103
is actually
John B. Gordon reincarnated?
498
00:27:30,206 --> 00:27:34,482
Reincarnation is the process
that allows your soul
499
00:27:34,586 --> 00:27:37,068
to take on a new life,
a new body.
500
00:27:37,172 --> 00:27:41,000
In other words, you are born
in a human body,
501
00:27:41,103 --> 00:27:44,241
you finish that cycle,
you are deceased, then you
502
00:27:44,344 --> 00:27:49,000
continue to recycle that soul
from one body to the next while
503
00:27:49,103 --> 00:27:51,758
being within
the same Earth plane.
504
00:27:51,862 --> 00:27:53,862
KEENE:
A lot of people say to me,
505
00:27:53,965 --> 00:27:56,275
"Why don't I remember
lifetimes?"
506
00:27:56,379 --> 00:27:58,448
I say, "You do, you just
don't realize that you do."
507
00:27:58,551 --> 00:28:01,551
There'll be haunting songs,
508
00:28:01,655 --> 00:28:06,172
a desire to go to certain
places, countries and things.
509
00:28:06,275 --> 00:28:08,965
The furniture that you use
to decorate your house,
510
00:28:09,068 --> 00:28:11,551
your hobbies, the clothes
you wear, and so on.
511
00:28:13,344 --> 00:28:17,758
SHATNER:
Can departed souls
really pass into new bodies?
512
00:28:17,862 --> 00:28:19,931
And if so,
what evidence might there be
513
00:28:20,034 --> 00:28:23,724
to support
such an incredible claim?
514
00:28:23,827 --> 00:28:27,931
According to Jeffrey Keene,
there are signs
515
00:28:28,034 --> 00:28:32,413
that can be found once you know
where to look for them.
516
00:28:32,517 --> 00:28:35,344
KEENE:
In Antietam,
where Gordon was wounded,
517
00:28:35,448 --> 00:28:39,344
he described that he had been
shot through the right calf,
518
00:28:39,448 --> 00:28:41,482
higher up on the same leg,
519
00:28:41,586 --> 00:28:44,103
and the left arm.
520
00:28:44,206 --> 00:28:46,793
So I had a pretty good picture
of where he'd been wounded.
521
00:28:46,896 --> 00:28:49,551
Now, on my right leg,
522
00:28:49,655 --> 00:28:53,931
I have, uh, I guess you would
call them varicose veins.
523
00:28:54,034 --> 00:28:58,586
I only have them in two places:
on my right calf,
524
00:28:58,689 --> 00:29:00,275
higher up on the same leg.
525
00:29:00,379 --> 00:29:04,000
My left arm,
I had a blood clot removed
526
00:29:04,103 --> 00:29:06,344
when I was in my 20s.
527
00:29:06,448 --> 00:29:08,172
It seems to me that, uh,
528
00:29:08,275 --> 00:29:11,103
could have been one of the
places Gordon had been wounded.
529
00:29:11,206 --> 00:29:13,586
But you use
the word "coincidence,"
530
00:29:13,689 --> 00:29:16,275
it can apply in some cases,
531
00:29:16,379 --> 00:29:19,172
uh, but there are
small coincidences
532
00:29:19,275 --> 00:29:21,586
and then there's
big coincidences.
533
00:29:21,689 --> 00:29:22,965
What I have is evidence.
534
00:29:23,068 --> 00:29:24,655
I have very strong evidence.
535
00:29:27,034 --> 00:29:29,413
SHATNER:
Are Jeffrey Keene's scars
536
00:29:29,517 --> 00:29:32,655
evidence that our souls are
recycled back into this world
537
00:29:32,758 --> 00:29:34,517
after we die?
538
00:29:34,620 --> 00:29:38,068
According to some researchers,
the answer is yes.
539
00:29:38,172 --> 00:29:40,724
And they argue
that further proof can be found
540
00:29:40,827 --> 00:29:43,724
not only in physical scars...
541
00:29:43,827 --> 00:29:46,896
but also in mental ones.
542
00:29:48,344 --> 00:29:50,310
There's been
substantial research done
543
00:29:50,413 --> 00:29:52,931
at the University of Virginia
with children,
544
00:29:53,034 --> 00:29:55,241
showing that a subset
of these children
545
00:29:55,344 --> 00:29:57,965
remember times
before they were born
546
00:29:58,068 --> 00:30:01,103
that are then confirmed
by historical records.
547
00:30:01,206 --> 00:30:04,862
And those data are
very consistent with the idea
548
00:30:04,965 --> 00:30:07,034
that reincarnation
is a real phenomenon.
549
00:30:07,137 --> 00:30:09,965
COREY:
The reason why it is significant
550
00:30:10,068 --> 00:30:12,827
to study children,
it is because their memories
551
00:30:12,931 --> 00:30:15,344
are still fresh--
they haven't been
552
00:30:15,448 --> 00:30:17,793
on the Earth
for a very long time, so...
553
00:30:17,896 --> 00:30:21,103
they still have that remembrance
of the past life
554
00:30:21,206 --> 00:30:23,517
very vividly in their mind.
555
00:30:23,620 --> 00:30:27,620
For example, one of the most
famous reincarnation stories
556
00:30:27,724 --> 00:30:30,586
is that of Shanti Devi.
557
00:30:30,689 --> 00:30:34,103
Shanti, since the age of four,
kept telling her parents
558
00:30:34,206 --> 00:30:37,206
that she came from another town
called Mathura.
559
00:30:37,310 --> 00:30:39,172
After being interviewed
by her teachers,
560
00:30:39,275 --> 00:30:43,620
she gives them the name of
her husband, who was still alive
561
00:30:43,724 --> 00:30:46,758
and lived in Mathura
at that time.
562
00:30:46,862 --> 00:30:50,034
They end up locating
a merchant in Mathura
563
00:30:50,137 --> 00:30:54,655
whose wife had died ten days
after giving birth to their son.
564
00:30:54,758 --> 00:30:57,241
Shanti recognizes him and says,
565
00:30:57,344 --> 00:31:00,137
"This is my husband,
Kedar Nath."
566
00:31:00,241 --> 00:31:04,068
She even says that he neglected
to carry out the promises
567
00:31:04,172 --> 00:31:07,103
that he made on her deathbed.
568
00:31:07,206 --> 00:31:10,137
KINSELLA:
Ultimately, Mahatma Gandhi
set up a commission
569
00:31:10,241 --> 00:31:12,793
to determine whether or not
this story was accurate,
570
00:31:12,896 --> 00:31:15,827
and the committee members
decided that this was, in fact,
571
00:31:15,931 --> 00:31:18,000
proof of reincarnation.
572
00:31:18,103 --> 00:31:20,620
KEENE:
I don't think anybody
should be forced
573
00:31:20,724 --> 00:31:22,034
to believe anything.
574
00:31:22,137 --> 00:31:24,068
But I know it's true to me.
575
00:31:24,172 --> 00:31:26,344
You have to make up
your own mind.
576
00:31:26,448 --> 00:31:29,068
All I ask is
you keep an open mind.
577
00:31:30,517 --> 00:31:33,827
If our souls can,
in fact, be recycled,
578
00:31:33,931 --> 00:31:36,655
I hope mine doesn't get put
in the shredder.
579
00:31:36,758 --> 00:31:38,586
But if, as many believe,
580
00:31:38,689 --> 00:31:43,931
we're locked in a never-ending
cycle of life and rebirth,
581
00:31:44,034 --> 00:31:46,931
what happens when that cycle
gets interrupted
582
00:31:47,034 --> 00:31:50,310
and we're literally
brought back from the dead?
583
00:31:50,413 --> 00:31:53,068
Perhaps the answer
can be found by meeting people
584
00:31:53,172 --> 00:31:55,000
who not only returned,
585
00:31:55,103 --> 00:31:57,655
but have come back
586
00:31:57,758 --> 00:32:00,793
with extraordinary abilities.
587
00:32:05,551 --> 00:32:07,896
SHATNER:
Seattle, Washington.
588
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,068
December 1976.
589
00:32:11,172 --> 00:32:13,862
Research biologist,
Joyce Hawkes,
590
00:32:13,965 --> 00:32:16,793
is spending
a quiet Saturday at home.
591
00:32:16,896 --> 00:32:19,931
But on this particular day,
592
00:32:20,034 --> 00:32:22,689
something happens
that will alter
593
00:32:22,793 --> 00:32:25,206
the course of her entire life.
594
00:32:26,931 --> 00:32:28,413
[whirring]
595
00:32:28,517 --> 00:32:30,137
HAWKES:
I was vacuuming
596
00:32:30,241 --> 00:32:34,379
right in front of my fireplace,
and up on the ledge
597
00:32:34,482 --> 00:32:39,655
on the fireplace was a large,
beautiful leaded glass window
598
00:32:39,758 --> 00:32:42,103
that I'd purchased
in an antique store.
599
00:32:42,206 --> 00:32:46,862
All of a sudden, this leaded
glass window is coming at me.
600
00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:50,206
And I like, "Ah,"
boom and it hits me.
601
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:53,758
And all I remember then
is just, all of a sudden,
602
00:32:53,862 --> 00:32:56,482
in front of me
was a long, dark tunnel,
603
00:32:56,586 --> 00:32:59,413
and at the end
was this bright light.
604
00:32:59,517 --> 00:33:01,241
And I was drawn to it.
605
00:33:01,344 --> 00:33:04,896
Then I passed through
the entrance to the light
606
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,586
and I was in a place
of rolling hills
607
00:33:08,689 --> 00:33:12,241
and beautiful color.
608
00:33:17,517 --> 00:33:19,241
And then, bang, I'm back,
609
00:33:19,344 --> 00:33:23,896
all of a sudden,
on the floor in my living room.
610
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,655
SHATNER:
In the months after her
near-death experience,
611
00:33:27,758 --> 00:33:29,517
Joyce hoped
to return to normalcy
612
00:33:29,620 --> 00:33:32,793
and resume her scientific work
in the lab.
613
00:33:32,896 --> 00:33:35,586
But she soon realized that,
after her brush
614
00:33:35,689 --> 00:33:39,655
with the afterlife,
nothing would be the same.
615
00:33:39,758 --> 00:33:42,206
Because Joyce
now had the ability
616
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:46,862
to see things
that no one else could.
617
00:33:46,965 --> 00:33:49,758
What I noticed is I could see
inside people's bodies,
618
00:33:49,862 --> 00:33:51,586
I could read their bodies.
619
00:33:51,689 --> 00:33:54,103
And there are times
when I actually can look
620
00:33:54,206 --> 00:33:57,344
into people's bodies
and see something going on
621
00:33:57,448 --> 00:33:59,620
that hasn't been diagnosed.
622
00:33:59,724 --> 00:34:02,965
I resigned my position
at the lab
623
00:34:03,068 --> 00:34:06,965
and I started seeing individuals
in the basement of my house.
624
00:34:07,068 --> 00:34:10,965
One time, a woman came to me
and was on the treatment table
625
00:34:11,068 --> 00:34:15,137
and, all of a sudden,
her abdomen opened up
626
00:34:15,241 --> 00:34:18,655
and I saw a small tumor
in a very precise location.
627
00:34:18,758 --> 00:34:21,862
And I said, "Please go to your
doctor and have it checked out."
628
00:34:21,965 --> 00:34:24,448
She had to have surgery,
and it saved her
629
00:34:24,551 --> 00:34:28,862
from having a very serious kind
of uterine cancer.
630
00:34:28,965 --> 00:34:32,310
KINSELLA:
In the case of
near-death experiences,
631
00:34:32,413 --> 00:34:36,758
a number of people report
developing heightened intuition,
632
00:34:36,862 --> 00:34:39,172
gaining some kind
of psychic ability.
633
00:34:39,275 --> 00:34:42,482
They report manifestations of
the paranormal that seem to be
634
00:34:42,586 --> 00:34:45,724
much more common after
these kinds of experiences.
635
00:34:45,827 --> 00:34:49,137
MISHLOVE:
A materialistic scientist
would say, "How can that be?
636
00:34:49,241 --> 00:34:51,241
These things
don't exist at all,"
637
00:34:51,344 --> 00:34:55,206
but, in fact, they're reported
hundreds and hundreds of times.
638
00:34:56,931 --> 00:35:00,862
HAWKES:
There's something
beyond the neurons,
639
00:35:00,965 --> 00:35:03,724
the astrocytes, the glial cells,
in our brain
640
00:35:03,827 --> 00:35:06,034
going "jun, jun, jun, jun."
641
00:35:06,137 --> 00:35:10,310
Something beyond that
which we have awareness of.
642
00:35:12,172 --> 00:35:15,310
SHATNER:
The power to see through flesh
643
00:35:15,413 --> 00:35:19,379
and diagnose ailments
might seem preposterous.
644
00:35:19,482 --> 00:35:21,965
But could it be true?
645
00:35:22,068 --> 00:35:24,551
Is it possible that when
Joyce Hawkes nearly died,
646
00:35:24,655 --> 00:35:30,517
she came back with psychic
abilities that defy explanation?
647
00:35:30,620 --> 00:35:33,241
Perhaps the answers can be found
by examining cases
648
00:35:33,344 --> 00:35:38,379
in which people claim to
not only see someone's ailment,
649
00:35:38,482 --> 00:35:40,413
but also heal it.
650
00:35:41,551 --> 00:35:43,413
Richmond, Virginia.
651
00:35:43,517 --> 00:35:46,241
September 5, 2005.
652
00:35:46,344 --> 00:35:48,379
David Schwartz goes
to the hospital to be treated
653
00:35:48,482 --> 00:35:52,896
for what he believes
is a nagging ear infection.
654
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,551
But in fact,
his illness is much, much worse.
655
00:35:57,655 --> 00:35:59,965
DAVID SCHWARTZ:
I checked myself
into the emergency room.
656
00:36:00,068 --> 00:36:02,000
That was Monday afternoon.
657
00:36:02,103 --> 00:36:05,758
And by Tuesday afternoon,
I was in a coma.
658
00:36:05,862 --> 00:36:08,103
My kidneys were shut down,
659
00:36:08,206 --> 00:36:11,448
all of my organs were failing
and the blood flow was lost
660
00:36:11,551 --> 00:36:15,241
in my brain stem as well, which
would have meant brain death.
661
00:36:15,344 --> 00:36:18,482
They told my mom
and my dad that,
662
00:36:18,586 --> 00:36:21,379
really, that I had a limited
amount of time left.
663
00:36:21,482 --> 00:36:25,413
SHATNER:
With their son facing certain
death due to kidney failure,
664
00:36:25,517 --> 00:36:27,931
David's parents
were willing to try anything
665
00:36:28,034 --> 00:36:30,068
that might help him.
666
00:36:30,172 --> 00:36:34,034
So they reached out to
Scarlett Heinbuch, a woman who,
667
00:36:34,137 --> 00:36:37,620
after having a near-death
experience in childhood,
668
00:36:37,724 --> 00:36:42,758
claimed to be gifted
with incredible healing powers.
669
00:36:42,862 --> 00:36:44,758
SCARLETT HEINBUCH:
When I walked
in David's hospital room
670
00:36:44,862 --> 00:36:46,655
for the first time,
I knew he was near death.
671
00:36:46,758 --> 00:36:49,034
He was unconscious
and I took his hand
672
00:36:49,137 --> 00:36:52,137
and I'm standing right by his
bedside when, all of a sudden,
673
00:36:52,241 --> 00:36:54,931
I was out of my body,
in another realm.
674
00:36:55,034 --> 00:36:58,241
And he was hovering there
and there was soul connection
675
00:36:58,344 --> 00:37:01,137
and I felt him
with every fiber of my being,
676
00:37:01,241 --> 00:37:05,034
and he made a decision
at that point to come back.
677
00:37:07,482 --> 00:37:09,965
SCHWARTZ:
When I first awoke
and saw Scarlett,
678
00:37:10,068 --> 00:37:12,620
I had the sense
that I knew who she was,
679
00:37:12,724 --> 00:37:14,413
and I knew everything about her.
680
00:37:14,517 --> 00:37:18,206
HEINBUCH:
David looked up at me
and, all of a sudden,
681
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:21,448
the next thing I was aware of
was that I was
682
00:37:21,551 --> 00:37:23,896
seeing four beings.
683
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,620
They were tall
and they were colored blue.
684
00:37:26,724 --> 00:37:30,827
I saw them manifesting
a set of kidneys, if you will.
685
00:37:30,931 --> 00:37:34,620
I saw the kidneys
being dropped into his body.
686
00:37:34,724 --> 00:37:38,965
David's recovery after that was
so stunning that the doctors
687
00:37:39,068 --> 00:37:42,344
and nurses at this hospital
called him "miracle boy."
688
00:37:42,448 --> 00:37:44,379
SCHWARTZ:
When I came out of the coma,
689
00:37:44,482 --> 00:37:46,724
it was absolutely
because we had an experience.
690
00:37:46,827 --> 00:37:48,896
I don't know
what happened there,
691
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,448
but I do know that it happened,
692
00:37:51,551 --> 00:37:53,379
because the doctors told me that
they didn't have an explanation
693
00:37:53,482 --> 00:37:56,172
as to why I was making
the recovery that I was making.
694
00:37:58,275 --> 00:38:02,034
SHATNER:
Today, David Schwartz has
two fully functioning kidneys,
695
00:38:02,137 --> 00:38:05,000
and both he and
Scarlett Heinbuch have no doubt
696
00:38:05,103 --> 00:38:07,241
in their minds that it was
the powerful connection
697
00:38:07,344 --> 00:38:11,689
between their souls
that saved David's life.
698
00:38:11,793 --> 00:38:16,379
Are stories like those of Joyce
Hawkes and Scarlett Heinbuch
699
00:38:16,482 --> 00:38:19,724
evidence that the soul is real,
700
00:38:19,827 --> 00:38:21,448
and can actually
become empowered
701
00:38:21,551 --> 00:38:25,586
with strange
and otherworldly abilities?
702
00:38:25,689 --> 00:38:28,965
According to people who study
near-death experiences,
703
00:38:29,068 --> 00:38:32,586
the answer is a profound yes.
704
00:38:32,689 --> 00:38:37,620
And they also insist that these
tales of strange coincidences
705
00:38:37,724 --> 00:38:41,758
and psychic connections are
really meant to assure us
706
00:38:41,862 --> 00:38:44,551
that we are all
very much connected,
707
00:38:44,655 --> 00:38:49,482
and not only in the ways
we've been taught to imagine.
708
00:38:56,344 --> 00:39:00,275
SHATNER:
Everything that lives
must also eventually die.
709
00:39:00,379 --> 00:39:05,068
And yet, for people who believe
they've touched or been touched
710
00:39:05,172 --> 00:39:08,379
by what they refer to
as the other side,
711
00:39:08,482 --> 00:39:10,931
death is not an ending,
712
00:39:11,034 --> 00:39:14,517
but a gateway
toward a new beginning.
713
00:39:14,620 --> 00:39:18,344
They live with a certainty that
the rest of us will never have.
714
00:39:18,448 --> 00:39:22,206
That is, until we die.
715
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:24,241
[siren wails]
716
00:39:24,344 --> 00:39:27,000
KINSELLA:
I think near-death experiences
and related phenomena
717
00:39:27,103 --> 00:39:32,413
are so fascinating,
frustrating and mysterious
718
00:39:32,517 --> 00:39:36,310
because the footprints they
leave behind are very muddied.
719
00:39:36,413 --> 00:39:40,068
And what I mean by that is there
seems to be enough proof,
720
00:39:40,172 --> 00:39:44,241
enough anecdotal evidence,
to where if people really want
721
00:39:44,344 --> 00:39:47,103
to believe these stories, they
want to believe this phenomena,
722
00:39:47,206 --> 00:39:48,551
they certainly can.
723
00:39:48,655 --> 00:39:52,034
But for those that are
absolutely certain
724
00:39:52,137 --> 00:39:56,793
that these experiences are,
by and large, byproducts
725
00:39:56,896 --> 00:40:01,793
of naturalistic phenomena,
like, maybe biological stress,
726
00:40:01,896 --> 00:40:04,724
then there certainly is not
enough compelling evidence
727
00:40:04,827 --> 00:40:08,896
that would be able
to-to shift them over.
728
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,896
HAWKES:
I've heard that
near-death experiences
729
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,517
are really some kind of vision
or sleep experience.
730
00:40:17,620 --> 00:40:20,241
For myself, I know it wasn't,
because I know
731
00:40:20,344 --> 00:40:25,034
what my dreams were like, and
this was so different than that.
732
00:40:25,137 --> 00:40:29,448
It's far beyond a dream state,
or a state
733
00:40:29,551 --> 00:40:31,862
where there's no oxygen
to the brain
734
00:40:31,965 --> 00:40:36,172
and you have some kind
of weird thing that lasts.
735
00:40:36,275 --> 00:40:38,793
Now, before my coma, I thought,
well, it's just a hallucination.
736
00:40:38,896 --> 00:40:40,620
It's a trick of the dying brain.
737
00:40:40,724 --> 00:40:44,965
So, in many ways,
it was very refreshing to me
738
00:40:45,068 --> 00:40:47,000
as I came out
of this experience,
739
00:40:47,103 --> 00:40:49,103
and-and especially
in those months after my coma.
740
00:40:49,206 --> 00:40:52,034
I came to realize that there are
a number of scientists,
741
00:40:52,137 --> 00:40:55,413
literally hundreds of scientists
around the world,
742
00:40:55,517 --> 00:40:56,793
who have been
studying these problems
743
00:40:56,896 --> 00:40:59,172
very diligently for decades,
744
00:40:59,275 --> 00:41:03,310
and they're actually making
tremendous progress.
745
00:41:03,413 --> 00:41:07,551
BERLIN:
It's that there might be
energies, forces,
746
00:41:07,655 --> 00:41:09,344
things that
we haven't yet discovered
747
00:41:09,448 --> 00:41:12,103
that we may never discover.
748
00:41:12,206 --> 00:41:15,000
And however you want
to fill in that gap,
749
00:41:15,103 --> 00:41:19,344
whether it's mysticism,
spirituality, religion,
750
00:41:19,448 --> 00:41:23,689
I think that's left
to each individual person.
751
00:41:28,931 --> 00:41:32,655
SHATNER:
Near-death experiences,
752
00:41:32,758 --> 00:41:35,620
the psychic connections
between identical twins
753
00:41:35,724 --> 00:41:39,448
and tales of reincarnation.
754
00:41:39,551 --> 00:41:43,103
Are these all evidence
that there really is a soul?
755
00:41:43,206 --> 00:41:45,517
Or is it that we're all
so desperate to believe
756
00:41:45,620 --> 00:41:47,827
in our own immortality
757
00:41:47,931 --> 00:41:50,758
that we look for evidence
to reassure ourselves
758
00:41:50,862 --> 00:41:54,655
that death is not really
the end?
759
00:41:54,758 --> 00:41:58,413
Well, when that day comes,
760
00:41:58,517 --> 00:42:02,448
we will not only learn
the truth, but also the answers
761
00:42:02,551 --> 00:42:04,758
to all the other mysteries
that are, until then,
762
00:42:04,862 --> 00:42:07,172
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