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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,863 --> 00:00:07,007 ♪ 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:07,007 --> 00:00:11,873 ♪ 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 5 00:00:29,443 --> 00:00:31,031 With tattooing, we're dealing with something 6 00:00:31,134 --> 00:00:34,137 that I term a "lingua calda," 7 00:00:34,241 --> 00:00:36,277 tattooing is a hot language. 8 00:00:36,381 --> 00:00:39,315 It's the cellular semiotics of communication 9 00:00:39,418 --> 00:00:42,628 that we're only now beginning to realize exists 10 00:00:42,732 --> 00:00:46,046 across the world and throughout history 11 00:00:46,149 --> 00:00:49,394 in a way that no other medium functions. 12 00:00:49,497 --> 00:00:52,052 ♪ 13 00:00:52,155 --> 00:00:56,297 Almost all of my tattoos have a story, a meaning, 14 00:00:56,401 --> 00:00:58,886 a reason for them that inspire me 15 00:00:58,989 --> 00:01:00,508 and keep me going. 16 00:01:00,612 --> 00:01:02,993 ♪ 17 00:01:03,097 --> 00:01:04,271 I got involved with tattooing 18 00:01:04,374 --> 00:01:06,066 because I guess I had a lot of things 19 00:01:06,169 --> 00:01:09,069 seeping underneath my unconscious 20 00:01:09,172 --> 00:01:10,898 and I wanted to give it expression. 21 00:01:11,001 --> 00:01:13,038 ♪ 22 00:01:13,142 --> 00:01:14,902 My tattoo is 23 00:01:15,005 --> 00:01:19,286 a visualization of myself 24 00:01:19,389 --> 00:01:23,324 that I gather energy from. 25 00:01:23,428 --> 00:01:26,189 When I look at it, when I feel it, 26 00:01:26,293 --> 00:01:29,158 whether physically or psychically, 27 00:01:29,261 --> 00:01:32,644 it allows me to be my own person. 28 00:01:32,747 --> 00:01:37,890 ♪ 29 00:01:37,890 --> 00:01:42,757 ♪ 30 00:02:04,538 --> 00:02:09,025 ♪ Well, we all come here to the tattoo convention ♪ 31 00:02:09,129 --> 00:02:11,683 ♪ To show off our tattooed hides ♪ 32 00:02:11,786 --> 00:02:13,167 ♪ 33 00:02:13,271 --> 00:02:16,619 ♪ We are the tattooed world of the nations ♪ 34 00:02:16,722 --> 00:02:20,795 ♪ One family, and tattoo is our bride ♪ 35 00:02:20,899 --> 00:02:25,179 ♪ If you ever come with us to the tattoo convention ♪ 36 00:02:25,283 --> 00:02:29,149 ♪ You'll see the world's oldest art ♪ 37 00:02:29,252 --> 00:02:32,945 ♪ And it is a time of great celebration ♪ 38 00:02:33,049 --> 00:02:35,810 ♪ And everyone here is a star ♪ 39 00:02:35,914 --> 00:02:39,262 ♪ It is a time of great celebration ♪ 40 00:02:39,366 --> 00:02:44,474 ♪ And everyone here is a star ♪ 41 00:02:44,578 --> 00:02:47,028 ♪ 42 00:02:47,132 --> 00:02:48,271 I know initials give you-- 43 00:02:48,375 --> 00:02:49,893 Turn your chair around. 44 00:02:49,997 --> 00:02:52,517 Sit sideways to me here, buddy. 45 00:02:52,620 --> 00:02:54,484 Names or initials, if you're a married man, 46 00:02:54,588 --> 00:02:56,693 -give you a fit. -Well, I had to put on... 47 00:02:56,797 --> 00:02:59,075 I know it, but it's some girl's name, ain't it? 48 00:02:59,179 --> 00:03:01,595 -Yeah. -And your wife don't like it, 49 00:03:01,698 --> 00:03:02,389 is that what it is? 50 00:03:02,492 --> 00:03:03,907 Well, not really, I just... 51 00:03:04,011 --> 00:03:06,393 Here, put your hand straight through here, buddy. 52 00:03:06,496 --> 00:03:09,154 There you go. Now you lean-- you lean right. 53 00:03:09,258 --> 00:03:10,535 A little--a little further now. 54 00:03:10,638 --> 00:03:12,709 All right, did somebody send you to me? 55 00:03:12,813 --> 00:03:14,435 No, I'm just cruising up the avenue. 56 00:03:14,539 --> 00:03:16,368 -You haven't heard of me? -No, sir. 57 00:03:16,472 --> 00:03:18,198 Oh, raise your arm up. 58 00:03:18,301 --> 00:03:20,614 Well, I'm known all over the world, 59 00:03:20,717 --> 00:03:22,132 so have faith in me. 60 00:03:22,236 --> 00:03:24,065 When I was a junior in college, 61 00:03:24,169 --> 00:03:26,240 I was taking a folklore course 62 00:03:26,344 --> 00:03:29,830 and needed to write a fieldwork paper. 63 00:03:29,933 --> 00:03:32,281 ♪ 64 00:03:32,384 --> 00:03:35,698 One night, I was wandering off-campus with a friend. 65 00:03:35,801 --> 00:03:39,391 In the distance, I saw a sign that said, 66 00:03:39,495 --> 00:03:44,293 "Tattooing by the teacher of the art since 1928. 67 00:03:44,396 --> 00:03:47,675 As ancient as time, as modern as tomorrow." 68 00:03:47,779 --> 00:03:48,918 ♪ 69 00:03:49,021 --> 00:03:52,162 We got to the tattoo shop and I looked inside, 70 00:03:52,266 --> 00:03:56,581 saw the silhouette of a man hunched over in a wheelchair, 71 00:03:56,684 --> 00:04:00,343 electric eye flashing on and off, 72 00:04:00,447 --> 00:04:04,554 a basset hound howling as I looked in the window, 73 00:04:04,658 --> 00:04:08,006 and I felt like I was in a different world. 74 00:04:08,109 --> 00:04:12,252 This was, for me, at that time, 75 00:04:12,355 --> 00:04:16,532 like being in the middle of Franz Kafka novel. 76 00:04:16,635 --> 00:04:19,742 ♪ 77 00:04:19,845 --> 00:04:22,227 The next day, I went back to the tattoo shop 78 00:04:22,331 --> 00:04:24,954 with my 35-millimeter camera. 79 00:04:25,057 --> 00:04:29,269 So, I took a few snapshots outside the shop, 80 00:04:29,372 --> 00:04:31,512 and the man inside yelled at me 81 00:04:31,616 --> 00:04:35,723 to stop taking pictures, but he wanted me to come in. 82 00:04:35,827 --> 00:04:38,726 I went inside and he scolded me 83 00:04:38,830 --> 00:04:41,867 for not asking permission to make his picture. 84 00:04:42,868 --> 00:04:44,076 I apologized. 85 00:04:44,180 --> 00:04:46,286 I knew I was wrong. 86 00:04:46,389 --> 00:04:50,220 He asked me to feel his muscle 87 00:04:50,324 --> 00:04:53,327 on his arm and it was just bony. 88 00:04:53,431 --> 00:04:56,675 And then he pulled a pistol out of his wheelchair 89 00:04:56,779 --> 00:04:59,057 that was hidden and he put some bullets 90 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:00,852 on the table in front of him 91 00:05:00,955 --> 00:05:02,854 and they were hollow-point bullets. 92 00:05:02,957 --> 00:05:05,443 And he said, "Do you know what hollow-point bullets do 93 00:05:05,546 --> 00:05:07,203 when they enter the body? 94 00:05:07,307 --> 00:05:08,515 They shatter." 95 00:05:08,618 --> 00:05:09,654 ♪ 96 00:05:09,757 --> 00:05:12,346 And then he reared back and laughed, and said, 97 00:05:12,450 --> 00:05:15,315 "I can really take care of myself. 98 00:05:16,246 --> 00:05:18,318 I'm not afraid of anyone. 99 00:05:18,421 --> 00:05:21,251 I've been doing this a long time, buddy." 100 00:05:21,355 --> 00:05:23,357 Yeah, I was kind of shaking in my shoes, 101 00:05:23,461 --> 00:05:27,637 and he started telling me his life story. 102 00:05:27,741 --> 00:05:29,950 I kept coming back to the shop. 103 00:05:30,053 --> 00:05:33,643 I went back every week for the next seven years. 104 00:05:33,747 --> 00:05:36,266 -Who did that tattoo? -This is all me. 105 00:05:36,370 --> 00:05:38,545 -The knee one. -A friend of mine. 106 00:05:38,648 --> 00:05:40,788 When we was drinking a lot of beer. 107 00:05:40,892 --> 00:05:43,343 We was young and putting tattoos on each other. 108 00:05:43,446 --> 00:05:45,137 I tell you why I never like to ask a guy 109 00:05:45,241 --> 00:05:46,898 who did his homemade job, 110 00:05:47,001 --> 00:05:51,730 because sometimes that's done in some unfamiliar places. 111 00:05:51,834 --> 00:05:53,422 Yeah, so you don't want to call the name 112 00:05:53,525 --> 00:05:54,837 and you don't want to tell where you was at 113 00:05:54,940 --> 00:05:56,597 when you had it put on so, therefore, 114 00:05:56,701 --> 00:05:59,497 I don't embarrass him by asking him, you see? 115 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,914 'Cause a lot of that we call "chain gang tattooing." 116 00:06:03,017 --> 00:06:04,364 Did in jail, a lot of it. 117 00:06:04,467 --> 00:06:05,917 But you can do the same thing at home 118 00:06:06,020 --> 00:06:07,677 or sitting in Sunday school. 119 00:06:07,781 --> 00:06:11,025 ♪ 120 00:06:11,129 --> 00:06:12,372 What makes a good tattoo? 121 00:06:12,475 --> 00:06:14,960 A good tattoo is something the man studied 122 00:06:15,064 --> 00:06:18,032 and thought it out long before he got it, 123 00:06:18,136 --> 00:06:19,206 then he got it. 124 00:06:19,309 --> 00:06:20,794 -Or as an artist? -As an art, 125 00:06:20,897 --> 00:06:22,761 it's the shading, it's not the color. 126 00:06:22,865 --> 00:06:25,868 You could put just a minimum amount of color 127 00:06:25,971 --> 00:06:28,802 to real good shading and it'll go over, 128 00:06:28,905 --> 00:06:30,010 it'll stand out. 129 00:06:30,113 --> 00:06:31,598 You take the old-timey tattooing 130 00:06:31,701 --> 00:06:34,117 that was did this way with heavy shading. 131 00:06:34,221 --> 00:06:35,464 That's the way I was taught. 132 00:06:35,567 --> 00:06:37,569 And I've seen these people grow older, 133 00:06:37,673 --> 00:06:39,571 their tattoos still look better, 134 00:06:39,675 --> 00:06:43,748 and they were put on over 50 years ago. 135 00:06:43,851 --> 00:06:47,683 In the making of the movie, I wanted to bring 136 00:06:47,786 --> 00:06:50,513 contemporary tattooing into the film. 137 00:06:50,617 --> 00:06:52,688 Stoney was averse. 138 00:06:52,791 --> 00:06:56,174 He felt there was a big generation gap 139 00:06:56,277 --> 00:07:00,420 between the tattooing that he made 140 00:07:00,523 --> 00:07:03,043 and younger tattoo artists who were starting 141 00:07:03,146 --> 00:07:04,803 to come on to the scene. 142 00:07:04,907 --> 00:07:09,739 Stoney described himself as being part of the old school. 143 00:07:09,843 --> 00:07:12,604 And Stoney felt that most young tattoo artists 144 00:07:12,708 --> 00:07:15,642 had no respect for this tradition. 145 00:07:15,745 --> 00:07:18,299 So, I'd keep suggesting people that I read about 146 00:07:18,403 --> 00:07:20,232 in little magazines and otherwise, 147 00:07:20,336 --> 00:07:22,372 tattooing was still very much 148 00:07:22,476 --> 00:07:25,445 kind of an underground art form at that point, 149 00:07:25,548 --> 00:07:27,895 and came across an article about a man 150 00:07:27,999 --> 00:07:30,380 by the name of Ed Hardy. 151 00:07:30,484 --> 00:07:33,245 And I talked to Stoney about Ed Hardy, 152 00:07:33,349 --> 00:07:36,386 and Stoney looked at me a little surprised 153 00:07:36,490 --> 00:07:38,768 that I knew about him because I really was 154 00:07:38,872 --> 00:07:41,219 just learning about tattooing. 155 00:07:41,322 --> 00:07:43,359 And Stoney looked at me and he said, 156 00:07:43,463 --> 00:07:46,327 "Ed Hardy is a prince." 157 00:07:46,431 --> 00:07:49,123 And he saw Ed Hardy as being someone 158 00:07:49,227 --> 00:07:50,849 of a younger generation 159 00:07:50,953 --> 00:07:54,612 who really respected the old school 160 00:07:54,715 --> 00:07:57,891 and was carrying forth with skills 161 00:07:57,994 --> 00:08:00,307 that he didn't have. 162 00:08:00,410 --> 00:08:03,586 And he agreed 163 00:08:03,690 --> 00:08:06,037 to have Ed Hardy in the film. 164 00:08:06,140 --> 00:08:07,728 You got a fantastic shop here, this is great. 165 00:08:07,832 --> 00:08:10,006 Oh, this is ancient stuff. 166 00:08:10,110 --> 00:08:13,838 I never was much of a hand to change anything. 167 00:08:13,941 --> 00:08:16,150 Okay, so we'll build up a design 168 00:08:16,254 --> 00:08:19,015 within this snake form that's already here. 169 00:08:19,119 --> 00:08:20,465 This is like an infinity symbol 170 00:08:20,569 --> 00:08:23,157 of the world coming back on itself. 171 00:08:23,261 --> 00:08:26,885 I'm gonna do a water principle thing in here 172 00:08:26,989 --> 00:08:30,751 since she's a water sign 173 00:08:30,855 --> 00:08:35,169 and basically deal with kind of a yin-yang form 174 00:08:35,273 --> 00:08:39,415 but not a rigid format within this oval shape here, 175 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:41,728 and make two opposing 176 00:08:41,831 --> 00:08:44,834 kind of wave forces swirling around. 177 00:08:44,938 --> 00:08:47,941 I'm sort of a sucker for recognizable imagery 178 00:08:48,044 --> 00:08:52,048 that has a symbology behind it. 179 00:08:52,152 --> 00:08:53,878 You know, I'm into tattoos and symbols too. 180 00:08:53,981 --> 00:08:56,536 All mine are pretty much amulets that I'm wearing. 181 00:08:56,639 --> 00:08:58,538 So, if we could do something to continue 182 00:08:58,641 --> 00:09:01,092 with that kind of Oriental thing of... 183 00:09:01,195 --> 00:09:02,438 Maybe seasonal flowers. 184 00:09:02,542 --> 00:09:03,957 If I can do a few small cherry blossoms 185 00:09:04,060 --> 00:09:05,683 and a few small maple leaves, and that would stand 186 00:09:05,786 --> 00:09:08,478 for the turning seasons of the winter/fall season 187 00:09:08,582 --> 00:09:10,619 and then the spring season, which are both-- 188 00:09:10,722 --> 00:09:12,655 Fall is a prelude to winter 189 00:09:12,759 --> 00:09:14,795 and then the spring is a prelude to summer. 190 00:09:14,899 --> 00:09:16,486 So, we'd get kind of a double layer 191 00:09:16,590 --> 00:09:17,557 of meaning that way. 192 00:09:17,660 --> 00:09:18,937 Is that all right? 193 00:09:19,041 --> 00:09:21,975 I just always thought that flowers and trees 194 00:09:22,078 --> 00:09:25,806 and things like that were somewhat typical tattoos. 195 00:09:25,910 --> 00:09:27,981 -Not the way I tattoo. -No? Okay. 196 00:09:28,084 --> 00:09:29,569 You've got to remember that a lot of images 197 00:09:29,672 --> 00:09:31,640 that have become popular become kind of clichés, 198 00:09:31,743 --> 00:09:33,434 there's a reason they got so popular 199 00:09:33,538 --> 00:09:36,403 'cause they're so well-suited to being used as tattoos. 200 00:09:36,506 --> 00:09:38,923 I'm kind of into tattoos being 201 00:09:39,026 --> 00:09:42,409 you know, real one-of-a-kind sort of things. 202 00:09:42,512 --> 00:09:44,756 I never had one yet that didn't hurt. 203 00:09:44,860 --> 00:09:46,309 -Oh, don't say that. -But... 204 00:09:46,413 --> 00:09:49,174 No, I'm not trying to flip you out or anything. 205 00:09:49,278 --> 00:09:50,451 'Cause I'm really nervous. 206 00:09:50,555 --> 00:09:52,384 I know, yeah, everybody is on these, 207 00:09:52,488 --> 00:09:54,524 but all you got to do is, primarily, 208 00:09:54,628 --> 00:09:55,836 if you can really relax, 209 00:09:55,940 --> 00:09:57,769 I know that's easier said than done. 210 00:09:57,873 --> 00:10:00,047 Okay, and I'll start out-- I'll start out real small, 211 00:10:00,151 --> 00:10:03,050 okay, with just a little bit, all right? 212 00:10:03,154 --> 00:10:06,467 When I got into tattooing professionally 26 years ago, 213 00:10:06,571 --> 00:10:09,574 I made a conscious move to abandon the fine art 214 00:10:09,678 --> 00:10:12,094 or high art world where I was a printmaker 215 00:10:12,197 --> 00:10:13,992 and was showing my works 216 00:10:14,096 --> 00:10:17,547 and never thought that it would really return to that, 217 00:10:17,651 --> 00:10:20,378 but tattooing has gained credibility 218 00:10:20,481 --> 00:10:22,207 within the fine art world. 219 00:10:22,311 --> 00:10:23,588 ♪ 220 00:10:23,692 --> 00:10:27,212 Ed Hardy, during the height of his career 221 00:10:27,316 --> 00:10:29,421 as a tattoo artist, 222 00:10:29,525 --> 00:10:33,391 was the most important practitioner 223 00:10:33,494 --> 00:10:36,739 of that art form in the world. 224 00:10:36,843 --> 00:10:39,259 He had a studio in San Francisco 225 00:10:39,362 --> 00:10:41,606 located on Van Ness Avenue 226 00:10:41,710 --> 00:10:43,470 in kind of an office building. 227 00:10:43,573 --> 00:10:45,368 Didn't have a sign out front. 228 00:10:45,472 --> 00:10:47,301 It was very nondescript. 229 00:10:47,405 --> 00:10:51,409 Ed Hardy clients were people who were willing to spend 230 00:10:51,512 --> 00:10:54,757 thousands and thousands of dollars on their tattoos 231 00:10:54,861 --> 00:10:56,828 but who generally kept 232 00:10:56,932 --> 00:10:59,866 a very private, low profile 233 00:10:59,969 --> 00:11:02,489 in terms of the presence of their tattoos 234 00:11:02,592 --> 00:11:06,079 within their normal work life. 235 00:11:06,182 --> 00:11:10,048 They were bankers and lawyers and artists and others. 236 00:11:10,152 --> 00:11:16,606 ♪ 237 00:11:16,710 --> 00:11:17,987 The first thing I remember was Ed had 238 00:11:18,091 --> 00:11:21,232 a tengu on the wall, over here it was. 239 00:11:21,335 --> 00:11:23,855 And it was the first thing that I saw. 240 00:11:23,959 --> 00:11:26,030 He had just opened a short time ago before that, 241 00:11:26,133 --> 00:11:27,548 and it was the very first thing I saw 242 00:11:27,652 --> 00:11:29,067 and it popped out of my head. 243 00:11:29,171 --> 00:11:30,793 I went, "Oh, my God," I said, "We got to get this," 244 00:11:30,897 --> 00:11:32,692 you know, or something like this. 245 00:11:32,795 --> 00:11:35,384 It's been growing ever since. 246 00:11:35,487 --> 00:11:37,697 The legend of the tengu is all over. 247 00:11:39,181 --> 00:11:40,734 Yeah, these things, I think, are so great, 248 00:11:40,838 --> 00:11:44,289 these kind of mythical, part bird, part man. 249 00:11:44,393 --> 00:11:45,774 Well, they mean a lot to me. 250 00:11:45,877 --> 00:11:48,984 Their protection and their beauty, 251 00:11:49,087 --> 00:11:50,433 and I like the Oriental art. 252 00:11:50,537 --> 00:11:51,814 I always have liked that. 253 00:11:51,918 --> 00:11:56,750 And to find such a talented man to do it 254 00:11:56,854 --> 00:11:59,028 is even more of an honor. 255 00:11:59,132 --> 00:12:01,134 ♪ 256 00:12:01,237 --> 00:12:03,584 When you really realize that you are changing yourself, 257 00:12:03,688 --> 00:12:05,172 that you're making some kind of statement 258 00:12:05,276 --> 00:12:07,381 with the piece, you know, even if it's not-- 259 00:12:07,485 --> 00:12:10,108 not to be real serious or overly mental about it, 260 00:12:10,212 --> 00:12:12,593 but I think a lot of people now, 261 00:12:12,697 --> 00:12:13,733 the people that I'm dealing with 262 00:12:13,836 --> 00:12:15,044 and that some of the rest of us, 263 00:12:15,148 --> 00:12:18,082 you know, that are doing more kind of conscious 264 00:12:18,185 --> 00:12:19,635 whatever you might want to call it, you know, 265 00:12:19,739 --> 00:12:22,500 art tattooing or more thought-out stuff, 266 00:12:22,603 --> 00:12:24,364 they think a lot about what they're going to get 267 00:12:24,467 --> 00:12:27,643 and they're choosing something that as a piece 268 00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:30,094 that will transform aspects of their life. 269 00:12:30,197 --> 00:12:33,994 They're choosing it very-- tuning it down very finely, 270 00:12:34,098 --> 00:12:35,755 you know, choosing it very carefully. 271 00:12:35,858 --> 00:12:38,378 And when you're able to deal with an artist 272 00:12:38,481 --> 00:12:40,794 who can visualize what you have in your mind, 273 00:12:40,898 --> 00:12:42,727 whose primary reason for being there 274 00:12:42,831 --> 00:12:44,902 is to interpret these things, 275 00:12:45,005 --> 00:12:49,630 you get into a lot more sophisticated kind of imagery. 276 00:12:49,734 --> 00:12:51,253 ♪ 277 00:12:51,356 --> 00:12:53,669 [whirring] 278 00:12:53,773 --> 00:12:55,326 ♪ 279 00:12:57,086 --> 00:12:58,778 -Are you okay? -Oh, yeah. 280 00:12:58,881 --> 00:13:01,884 I'm--I'm so surprised how little I feel it. 281 00:13:01,988 --> 00:13:06,061 It's, uh, it's amazing. 282 00:13:06,164 --> 00:13:08,580 The objective always was, I guess, 283 00:13:08,684 --> 00:13:10,410 to get the most amount of pigment in 284 00:13:10,513 --> 00:13:14,966 with the very least possible damage to the cells. 285 00:13:15,070 --> 00:13:16,968 You know, before you started, 286 00:13:17,072 --> 00:13:19,315 he told you that all tattoos hurt? 287 00:13:19,419 --> 00:13:21,524 -Yeah. -They do. 288 00:13:21,628 --> 00:13:22,974 There's no use in lying about it 289 00:13:23,078 --> 00:13:26,322 or buttered you all up, buddy. 290 00:13:26,426 --> 00:13:29,636 Get you all relaxed and then wham. 291 00:13:29,739 --> 00:13:31,362 Don't get tattoos just for the hell of it, 292 00:13:31,465 --> 00:13:34,814 just because somebody calls you chicken. 293 00:13:34,917 --> 00:13:37,402 Maybe I was tattooing in my last life or something 294 00:13:37,506 --> 00:13:39,888 and then--'cause I was aimed at it so early, 295 00:13:39,991 --> 00:13:43,132 when I picked up on it as a kid, I was just... 296 00:13:43,236 --> 00:13:45,272 You know, it just seemed so right for me 297 00:13:45,376 --> 00:13:47,378 and I felt that that's what I should do with my life. 298 00:13:47,481 --> 00:13:50,070 And, so, I was thinking if I do good enough 299 00:13:50,174 --> 00:13:52,245 with it this time, then maybe we'll really be out 300 00:13:52,348 --> 00:13:55,420 in the rocket phase next time around. 301 00:13:55,524 --> 00:13:57,457 [whirring] 302 00:13:57,560 --> 00:13:59,493 But I'm not really actively worried about that. 303 00:13:59,597 --> 00:14:01,357 I'm just having fun now. 304 00:14:01,461 --> 00:14:04,533 Tattooing is so great because it's the most immediate art 305 00:14:04,636 --> 00:14:06,052 that there is, 306 00:14:06,155 --> 00:14:09,089 and it's something that you have to get 307 00:14:09,193 --> 00:14:10,435 all the enjoyment out of. 308 00:14:10,539 --> 00:14:12,782 It forces you as a creative individual, 309 00:14:12,886 --> 00:14:14,715 if you do it when you can practice it 310 00:14:14,819 --> 00:14:16,338 in a creative kind of form. 311 00:14:16,441 --> 00:14:18,788 You can't always, you know, depending on the person 312 00:14:18,892 --> 00:14:21,308 and the circumstances, 313 00:14:21,412 --> 00:14:23,448 but you have to do it-- 314 00:14:23,552 --> 00:14:27,901 It's going on immediately and there's no mistakes. 315 00:14:28,005 --> 00:14:29,799 You know, hopefully you don't make any mistakes, 316 00:14:29,903 --> 00:14:32,181 and you have to get everything out of it 317 00:14:32,285 --> 00:14:33,700 while you're doing it, you can't--it can't be 318 00:14:33,803 --> 00:14:35,184 like a favorite drawing that you leave around, 319 00:14:35,288 --> 00:14:36,772 you know, and look at and decide 320 00:14:36,876 --> 00:14:38,394 not to send off to the gallery or whatever 321 00:14:38,498 --> 00:14:39,913 'cause it just goes away. 322 00:14:40,017 --> 00:14:42,812 And it cuts through on a lot of the preciousness 323 00:14:42,916 --> 00:14:44,090 and a lot of the bullshit that I find 324 00:14:44,193 --> 00:14:45,332 in the straight art world, you know, 325 00:14:45,436 --> 00:14:47,162 because with tattooing, you just enjoy it 326 00:14:47,265 --> 00:14:49,026 for what it is, and the person has it, 327 00:14:49,129 --> 00:14:51,891 then they leave, and it's just--it's just now. 328 00:14:51,994 --> 00:14:53,720 It's like everything, it's just now. 329 00:14:53,823 --> 00:14:56,965 ♪ 330 00:14:57,068 --> 00:15:00,140 Ed Hardy had such respect for Stoney 331 00:15:00,244 --> 00:15:03,557 that he wanted a tattoo from him. 332 00:15:03,661 --> 00:15:05,111 ♪ 333 00:15:05,214 --> 00:15:07,527 [whirring] 334 00:15:07,630 --> 00:15:20,022 ♪ 335 00:15:20,126 --> 00:15:21,748 You got a light touch, Stoney. 336 00:15:21,851 --> 00:15:23,474 Nah. 337 00:15:23,577 --> 00:15:25,510 ♪ 338 00:15:25,614 --> 00:15:27,202 -Why'd you pick that one? -I don't know, 339 00:15:27,305 --> 00:15:29,100 I've always liked cartoon rats, you know, 340 00:15:29,204 --> 00:15:31,206 and it used to be a nickname of mine 341 00:15:31,309 --> 00:15:34,209 when I was a kid at the beach and all that. 342 00:15:34,312 --> 00:15:36,901 I just--I really liked the looks of that on the wall. 343 00:15:37,005 --> 00:15:38,799 It's like any of them, you know, you just... 344 00:15:40,318 --> 00:15:44,529 It seems like something that's necessary to have. 345 00:15:44,633 --> 00:15:45,875 This is great. 346 00:15:45,979 --> 00:15:47,774 Yeah, I know this is the high--high point 347 00:15:47,877 --> 00:15:49,258 of my weekend here, I never-- 348 00:15:49,362 --> 00:15:50,777 never thought I'd get to go home 349 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:52,365 with something to show for the trip, you know? 350 00:15:53,435 --> 00:15:55,540 [whirring] 351 00:15:55,644 --> 00:15:57,957 I like Stoney's sense of humor about his work 352 00:15:58,060 --> 00:15:59,303 and his ability to get... 353 00:15:59,406 --> 00:16:00,960 You know, his drawings really got 354 00:16:01,063 --> 00:16:02,685 a real, real good feeling to me, 355 00:16:02,789 --> 00:16:05,136 and I wanted to get something that had a real-- 356 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:09,313 a happy feeling to it, you know? 357 00:16:09,416 --> 00:16:11,936 [whirring] 358 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,256 It's up there on the wall. 359 00:16:23,775 --> 00:16:26,295 [whirring] 360 00:16:39,860 --> 00:16:41,310 That's a Columbus rat. 361 00:16:41,414 --> 00:16:42,622 They don't have them kind of rats 362 00:16:42,725 --> 00:16:45,211 -in San Francisco. -Bring something back home 363 00:16:45,314 --> 00:16:46,729 that's a little unusual, you know? 364 00:16:46,833 --> 00:16:49,077 That rat is right there. 365 00:16:52,218 --> 00:16:53,943 I sure like the way you blend colors in. 366 00:16:54,047 --> 00:16:55,393 That's really, really... 367 00:16:55,497 --> 00:16:57,119 I mean, I know you're the old-school style, 368 00:16:57,223 --> 00:16:59,190 but it's rare that I've seen anybody-- 369 00:16:59,294 --> 00:17:02,297 I haven't really seen anybody work in the old-school style, 370 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,024 the tradition you came out of and using color and that, 371 00:17:05,127 --> 00:17:07,026 the way that you've been doing it. 372 00:17:08,544 --> 00:17:09,925 I think that'll do, that'll hold me 373 00:17:10,029 --> 00:17:10,960 until the next one, won't it? 374 00:17:11,064 --> 00:17:13,480 We got it solid on that, boss. 375 00:17:13,584 --> 00:17:16,207 Yeah, that's not gonna go anywhere. 376 00:17:16,311 --> 00:17:19,900 Les Blank, a filmmaker I'd long admired, 377 00:17:20,004 --> 00:17:22,144 shot Stoney Knows How. 378 00:17:22,248 --> 00:17:24,836 He really connected with Stoney. 379 00:17:24,940 --> 00:17:27,322 In addition, he really liked Ed Hardy 380 00:17:27,425 --> 00:17:29,772 'cause he had thought about getting tattoos. 381 00:17:29,876 --> 00:17:31,395 ♪ 382 00:17:31,498 --> 00:17:34,743 Before he left Columbus and before Ed left, 383 00:17:34,846 --> 00:17:38,126 they got together in my backyard in Columbus. 384 00:17:38,229 --> 00:17:42,544 Les got tattooed with two carnival masks. 385 00:17:42,647 --> 00:17:52,692 ♪ 386 00:17:52,692 --> 00:18:01,218 ♪ 387 00:18:01,321 --> 00:18:05,222 Les loved the tattoo he got from Ed Hardy. 388 00:18:05,325 --> 00:18:06,844 He was very proud of it. 389 00:18:06,947 --> 00:18:08,535 He showed it to everyone. 390 00:18:08,639 --> 00:18:11,711 And Les had gotten to know Werner Herzog, 391 00:18:11,814 --> 00:18:14,231 who saw his tattoo 392 00:18:14,334 --> 00:18:18,752 and decided he wanted an Ed Hardy tattoo himself. 393 00:18:18,856 --> 00:18:24,241 ♪ 394 00:18:24,344 --> 00:18:26,760 At that time, Les was working on a film 395 00:18:26,864 --> 00:18:28,486 called Burden of Dreams, 396 00:18:28,590 --> 00:18:32,352 which was about the making of Werner's film Fitzcarraldo, 397 00:18:32,456 --> 00:18:35,252 which was being shot in the Amazon jungle. 398 00:18:35,355 --> 00:18:36,667 ♪ 399 00:18:36,770 --> 00:18:39,635 Pacho Lane, who was one of my collaborators 400 00:18:39,739 --> 00:18:41,913 on the making of the Stoney film, 401 00:18:42,017 --> 00:18:44,640 was asked to be a translator. 402 00:18:44,744 --> 00:18:48,541 We talked about him, if he had an opportunity, 403 00:18:48,644 --> 00:18:52,786 filming an interview with Werner about his tattoo. 404 00:18:52,890 --> 00:18:56,894 ♪ 405 00:18:56,997 --> 00:18:57,964 Well, where are we? 406 00:18:58,067 --> 00:19:00,449 We are in the jungle. 407 00:19:00,553 --> 00:19:05,972 To specify it, this is Rio Camisea. 408 00:19:06,075 --> 00:19:09,320 The camp that you see, I named 409 00:19:09,424 --> 00:19:12,496 "película de muerte," "film of death." 410 00:19:12,599 --> 00:19:14,843 We are doing a pretty crazy film here 411 00:19:14,946 --> 00:19:16,293 named Fitzcarraldo. 412 00:19:16,396 --> 00:19:17,466 ♪ 413 00:19:17,570 --> 00:19:21,160 And what you see down here is Rio Camisea. 414 00:19:21,263 --> 00:19:24,784 It's near the confluence of Rio Urubamba 415 00:19:24,887 --> 00:19:27,304 in southern Peru, 416 00:19:27,407 --> 00:19:31,170 on the eastern slope of the Andes. 417 00:19:31,273 --> 00:19:32,930 So, you have to look on a map to find it. 418 00:19:33,033 --> 00:19:37,486 The next civilization is about 600, 700 miles away from here. 419 00:19:37,590 --> 00:19:47,634 ♪ 420 00:19:47,634 --> 00:19:55,746 ♪ 421 00:19:55,849 --> 00:19:58,335 And I never thought of having any tattoo in my life 422 00:19:58,438 --> 00:20:01,200 and then, finally, Les showed me his-- 423 00:20:01,303 --> 00:20:03,340 the man who operates the camera right now, 424 00:20:03,443 --> 00:20:05,997 we can't see him because he's behind, 425 00:20:06,101 --> 00:20:07,620 he showed me a very beautiful tattoo, 426 00:20:07,723 --> 00:20:10,692 and the next week, I went to the same man. 427 00:20:10,795 --> 00:20:11,969 I was in San Francisco. 428 00:20:12,072 --> 00:20:15,352 His name is Ed Hardy, whom I found very strange 429 00:20:15,455 --> 00:20:17,043 but very intriguing. 430 00:20:17,146 --> 00:20:19,183 A good man. I liked him instantly. 431 00:20:19,287 --> 00:20:22,635 He's quite weird, but a very great master, 432 00:20:22,738 --> 00:20:26,052 probably the greatest master of his art. 433 00:20:26,155 --> 00:20:27,778 And it is a real art. 434 00:20:27,881 --> 00:20:28,986 ♪ 435 00:20:29,089 --> 00:20:31,091 It has to do with ritual. 436 00:20:31,195 --> 00:20:33,059 It is a very, very deep-rooted 437 00:20:33,162 --> 00:20:37,891 kind of atavistic, archetypical 438 00:20:37,995 --> 00:20:41,067 kind of self-expression, I think. 439 00:20:41,170 --> 00:20:42,862 And our modern civilization 440 00:20:42,965 --> 00:20:45,244 is one of the few civilizations, 441 00:20:45,347 --> 00:20:50,801 of societies that does not know tattoos 442 00:20:50,904 --> 00:20:53,838 as such a deep-rooted ritual. 443 00:20:53,942 --> 00:20:56,462 ♪ 444 00:20:56,565 --> 00:20:58,533 Whether you like tattoos or not, 445 00:20:58,636 --> 00:21:00,604 your primitive ancestors were tattooed, 446 00:21:00,707 --> 00:21:02,261 whether you be from the white race, 447 00:21:02,364 --> 00:21:04,228 the yellow race, the red race, the brown race, 448 00:21:04,332 --> 00:21:05,988 whatever race you came from, 449 00:21:06,092 --> 00:21:08,197 everywhere the anthropologist has gone in this world, 450 00:21:08,301 --> 00:21:11,546 he's found tattooing prevalent or it's been there and gone. 451 00:21:11,649 --> 00:21:14,825 Your primitive ancestors were tattooed, like it or not. 452 00:21:19,864 --> 00:21:24,110 ♪ 453 00:21:24,213 --> 00:21:26,699 [whooshing] 454 00:21:26,802 --> 00:21:28,321 ♪ 455 00:21:28,425 --> 00:21:31,497 I was first a fire-eater, then a sword swallower. 456 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,085 Then I got tattooed, was the tattooed man. 457 00:21:34,189 --> 00:21:36,881 And with what little bit of tattooing I have on me, 458 00:21:36,985 --> 00:21:39,159 it was a lot of tattooing in the '50s. 459 00:21:39,263 --> 00:21:40,885 It just blew people away. 460 00:21:40,989 --> 00:21:43,129 And, nowadays, I look out into the audience 461 00:21:43,232 --> 00:21:44,579 and there's people in the audience 462 00:21:44,682 --> 00:21:47,167 who have much more tattooing on them than I have. 463 00:21:47,271 --> 00:21:50,688 ♪ 464 00:21:50,792 --> 00:21:52,828 The most dangerous part is eating fire, 465 00:21:52,932 --> 00:21:55,659 not blowing the fireballs, 466 00:21:55,762 --> 00:21:57,868 because your lungs are like an empty gas tank, 467 00:21:57,971 --> 00:22:01,699 and if you should inhale while you have those fumes 468 00:22:01,803 --> 00:22:03,908 near your mouth, the next time you put a torch there, 469 00:22:04,012 --> 00:22:06,877 your lungs could literally explode inside of you. 470 00:22:06,980 --> 00:22:09,224 [exploding] 471 00:22:09,328 --> 00:22:10,432 ♪ 472 00:22:10,536 --> 00:22:12,538 And you see when I put out a torch 473 00:22:12,641 --> 00:22:13,953 and close my mouth around it, 474 00:22:14,056 --> 00:22:16,265 I'm trapping the fumes inside the mouth, 475 00:22:16,369 --> 00:22:18,233 so when I bring another lit torch here 476 00:22:18,337 --> 00:22:19,683 and, boom, it explodes and I blow it 477 00:22:19,786 --> 00:22:21,685 to the next torch before it does anything. 478 00:22:21,788 --> 00:22:34,491 ♪ 479 00:22:34,594 --> 00:22:36,596 [forceful exhalation] 480 00:22:36,700 --> 00:22:39,047 We haven't left our primitive roots. 481 00:22:39,150 --> 00:22:41,567 We belong to tribes. 482 00:22:41,670 --> 00:22:43,431 And the circus/carnival people are my-- 483 00:22:43,534 --> 00:22:45,260 that's my tribe, my family. 484 00:22:45,364 --> 00:22:46,744 That's who I relate to. 485 00:22:46,848 --> 00:22:47,745 Outside of that, 486 00:22:47,849 --> 00:22:50,783 the tattoo community is my tribe. 487 00:22:50,886 --> 00:22:53,372 I don't understand the general public. 488 00:22:53,475 --> 00:22:56,823 I do, but I don't understand their way of life. 489 00:22:56,927 --> 00:22:58,998 When I was being tattooed, I wanted to get 490 00:22:59,101 --> 00:23:03,692 a lot of tattooing done fast. 491 00:23:03,796 --> 00:23:06,695 And never knew anything that long lines 492 00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:08,387 are a son of a bitch, you know, 493 00:23:08,490 --> 00:23:10,285 but I figured, you know, a spiderweb covers 494 00:23:10,389 --> 00:23:12,287 a lot of territory, but I didn't realize 495 00:23:12,391 --> 00:23:13,288 what I was in for and all this... 496 00:23:13,392 --> 00:23:14,358 [mimicking whirring] 497 00:23:14,462 --> 00:23:15,532 All these long lines, 498 00:23:15,635 --> 00:23:17,292 you know, on the side here. 499 00:23:17,396 --> 00:23:18,569 I'm an atheist, but when I had this done, 500 00:23:18,673 --> 00:23:21,400 I saw Jesus in person. 501 00:23:21,503 --> 00:23:23,091 If there are ten qualifications 502 00:23:23,194 --> 00:23:27,267 to make you a tattoo artist, making money is number ten. 503 00:23:27,371 --> 00:23:28,752 Number nine is being an artist. 504 00:23:28,855 --> 00:23:30,719 And if you have no idea what the other eight are, 505 00:23:30,823 --> 00:23:32,963 you don't belong in the business. 506 00:23:33,066 --> 00:23:43,111 ♪ 507 00:23:43,111 --> 00:23:49,117 ♪ 508 00:23:49,220 --> 00:23:50,981 ♪ Have you ever noticed 509 00:23:51,084 --> 00:23:55,744 when the other fellow doesn't think or act like us ♪ 510 00:23:55,848 --> 00:23:57,574 ♪ 511 00:23:57,677 --> 00:23:59,438 ♪ Some of the rest of us 512 00:23:59,541 --> 00:24:02,993 won't even sit beside him on the bus ♪ 513 00:24:03,096 --> 00:24:04,477 ♪ 514 00:24:04,581 --> 00:24:06,962 ♪ We say that he's a little strange 515 00:24:07,066 --> 00:24:11,726 and brand him with some hateful made-up name ♪ 516 00:24:11,829 --> 00:24:14,073 ♪ Why can't we all be different 517 00:24:14,176 --> 00:24:18,387 and still respect each other just the same ♪ 518 00:24:19,388 --> 00:24:21,701 ♪ Oh, down through the ages, 519 00:24:21,805 --> 00:24:26,395 the self-appointed righteous make the rules ♪ 520 00:24:26,499 --> 00:24:28,777 ♪ All those in opposition 521 00:24:28,881 --> 00:24:32,712 are said to be the evil heathen fools ♪ 522 00:24:32,816 --> 00:24:33,886 ♪ 523 00:24:33,989 --> 00:24:36,475 ♪ Tattooed people have been around 524 00:24:36,578 --> 00:24:39,478 for many thousand years ♪ 525 00:24:39,581 --> 00:24:41,859 ♪ And they've been murdered, scorned, and hated 526 00:24:41,963 --> 00:24:46,726 by politicians and religions out of fear ♪ 527 00:24:46,830 --> 00:24:48,935 ♪ In the South Pacific Islands 528 00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:53,664 lived the Polynesian peoples long ago ♪ 529 00:24:53,768 --> 00:24:57,288 ♪ Happy stories were told on their drums 530 00:24:57,392 --> 00:25:00,809 as they danced to and fro ♪ 531 00:25:00,913 --> 00:25:02,880 ♪ Their tattooed legs and bodies 532 00:25:02,984 --> 00:25:07,506 bore the symbols of their honest ties with life ♪ 533 00:25:07,609 --> 00:25:10,854 ♪ Every mark and every line told the truth 534 00:25:10,957 --> 00:25:13,408 of their history and strife ♪ 535 00:25:13,512 --> 00:25:14,858 ♪ 536 00:25:14,961 --> 00:25:17,757 ♪ Out of the sea's horizon came the ships 537 00:25:17,861 --> 00:25:21,036 of the earth's other end ♪ 538 00:25:21,140 --> 00:25:24,557 ♪ With the foreign people who thought they had 539 00:25:24,661 --> 00:25:27,905 life's answers for all men ♪ 540 00:25:28,009 --> 00:25:29,942 ♪ They stepped upon the beaches 541 00:25:30,045 --> 00:25:34,533 of the Polynesian people's sacred land ♪ 542 00:25:34,636 --> 00:25:36,604 ♪ And in time they tried to kill them, 543 00:25:36,707 --> 00:25:41,056 every woman, every child, and every man ♪ 544 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,438 ♪ Yes, these Christian missionaries 545 00:25:43,542 --> 00:25:46,993 who forgot about the golden rule ♪ 546 00:25:47,097 --> 00:25:51,895 ♪ Claimed any Polynesian with a tattoo was a fool ♪ 547 00:25:51,998 --> 00:25:55,933 ♪ And not one theologian to this very day 548 00:25:56,037 --> 00:25:58,004 wants to preach ♪ 549 00:25:58,108 --> 00:26:01,214 ♪ How these tattooed people were slaughtered 550 00:26:01,318 --> 00:26:04,286 in the name of the Prince of Peace ♪♪ 551 00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:07,773 ♪ 552 00:26:09,153 --> 00:26:10,948 True story. 553 00:26:11,052 --> 00:26:14,676 Well, normally, I wouldn't expose a tattoo so easily. 554 00:26:15,815 --> 00:26:18,922 It also has to do with discretion a little bit, 555 00:26:19,025 --> 00:26:22,235 but when you go swimming or so, it shows. 556 00:26:22,339 --> 00:26:24,203 But I'll show it to you. 557 00:26:24,306 --> 00:26:25,722 It's here. 558 00:26:27,689 --> 00:26:30,796 Yeah, that's death laughing or singing 559 00:26:30,899 --> 00:26:33,177 and, here, it's a microphone of the '30s, 560 00:26:33,281 --> 00:26:36,284 and it's CDF, which is the second channel 561 00:26:36,387 --> 00:26:39,701 of German television and they have been my partners 562 00:26:39,805 --> 00:26:42,635 in several of my movie productions. 563 00:26:42,739 --> 00:26:45,224 And I like it very much. 564 00:26:45,327 --> 00:26:47,191 Do you think you might get another tattoo, 565 00:26:47,295 --> 00:26:49,090 you know, on your other arm or some other part 566 00:26:49,193 --> 00:26:50,988 of your body later on? 567 00:26:51,092 --> 00:26:54,647 Yeah, I'm thinking about it, but I don't know. 568 00:26:54,751 --> 00:26:57,236 I don't know yet what I should put there. 569 00:26:57,339 --> 00:26:58,893 -You don't have an image yet? -Well, I have seen 570 00:26:58,996 --> 00:27:02,241 a very beautiful design at Ed Hardy's place. 571 00:27:02,344 --> 00:27:04,726 It was a coach of horses, 572 00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:08,419 four or six horses pulling a coach 573 00:27:08,523 --> 00:27:10,249 and they were rushing towards you 574 00:27:10,352 --> 00:27:12,458 in almost three-dimensional, 575 00:27:12,561 --> 00:27:16,048 and death was sitting and whipping the horses. 576 00:27:16,151 --> 00:27:17,636 I like that very much. 577 00:27:20,569 --> 00:27:23,434 Which one do you like better, Werner? 578 00:27:23,538 --> 00:27:26,437 -Uh, my own. -Why? 579 00:27:26,541 --> 00:27:27,991 Because it's more elaborate, 580 00:27:28,094 --> 00:27:30,752 and all the ladies, for example, find it better. 581 00:27:30,856 --> 00:27:33,099 I put it as a comparison here. 582 00:27:34,722 --> 00:27:37,897 It's more elaborate somehow. 583 00:27:38,001 --> 00:27:40,762 But that's a very, very beautiful one. 584 00:27:40,866 --> 00:27:43,316 I like it, I must say. 585 00:27:43,420 --> 00:27:45,491 Les's--Les's was very intriguing 586 00:27:45,594 --> 00:27:47,493 because it's such a good idea, 587 00:27:47,596 --> 00:27:50,703 death laughing and death crying. 588 00:27:50,807 --> 00:27:52,498 Why would you want two death heads? 589 00:27:52,601 --> 00:27:55,190 I mean, you say you want another one maybe. 590 00:27:55,294 --> 00:27:58,262 That's always--that should be always included... 591 00:27:59,539 --> 00:28:01,472 ...on, uh, on a tattoo. 592 00:28:01,576 --> 00:28:02,681 Every tattoo? 593 00:28:03,785 --> 00:28:05,166 Well, you shouldn't have it... 594 00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:07,858 You shouldn't have your body tattooed 595 00:28:07,962 --> 00:28:10,861 without at least one death. 596 00:28:10,965 --> 00:28:14,658 ♪ 597 00:28:14,762 --> 00:28:17,765 I learned so much about tattooing from Ed Hardy. 598 00:28:17,868 --> 00:28:19,663 And I was particularly interested 599 00:28:19,767 --> 00:28:22,908 in this fine line black tattooing 600 00:28:23,011 --> 00:28:25,911 that was being done in East L.A. 601 00:28:26,014 --> 00:28:35,403 ♪ 602 00:28:35,506 --> 00:28:38,578 I learned that this fine line black tattooing 603 00:28:38,682 --> 00:28:41,133 had originated in prisons. 604 00:28:41,236 --> 00:28:44,895 ♪ 605 00:28:44,999 --> 00:28:49,037 It was a new style, a new approach to tattooing 606 00:28:49,141 --> 00:28:51,246 which was beginning to take hold 607 00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:53,110 in the tattoo world. 608 00:28:53,214 --> 00:28:58,564 ♪ 609 00:28:58,667 --> 00:29:00,980 And I did a series of photographs 610 00:29:01,084 --> 00:29:04,328 that I later called the Hand of the Murderer. 611 00:29:04,432 --> 00:29:08,470 These were men who had committed violent crimes, 612 00:29:08,574 --> 00:29:09,782 but they were young. 613 00:29:09,886 --> 00:29:13,096 They were between the ages of 19 and 21. 614 00:29:13,199 --> 00:29:17,756 And their hands were, for me, almost effeminate. 615 00:29:17,859 --> 00:29:22,208 And they had tattoos of seductive women 616 00:29:22,312 --> 00:29:25,177 in this fine line style. 617 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:26,247 ♪ 618 00:29:26,350 --> 00:29:29,733 Tattooing in prison was illegal, 619 00:29:29,837 --> 00:29:31,700 and inmates, 620 00:29:31,804 --> 00:29:35,152 particularly Mexican-American inmates, 621 00:29:35,256 --> 00:29:38,431 were very ingenious in the way in which 622 00:29:38,535 --> 00:29:41,124 they created tattoo machines. 623 00:29:41,227 --> 00:29:43,782 They usually get electric motor of a cassette player, 624 00:29:43,885 --> 00:29:45,266 like, for instance, that would be a good one. 625 00:29:45,369 --> 00:29:49,097 Any radio or anything that has a cassette, 626 00:29:49,201 --> 00:29:51,548 you could use and tear out, break it down 627 00:29:51,651 --> 00:29:53,930 and make a tattoo machine of it, 628 00:29:54,033 --> 00:29:56,346 and you use homemade things such as pens, you know, 629 00:29:56,449 --> 00:29:57,899 for a tunnel for the needle. 630 00:29:58,003 --> 00:30:00,419 Homemade needles coming in from the guitar strings. 631 00:30:00,522 --> 00:30:03,008 [whirring] 632 00:30:03,111 --> 00:30:07,322 ♪ 633 00:30:07,426 --> 00:30:11,016 The prison tattoo machine does a certain type of tattooing 634 00:30:11,119 --> 00:30:14,709 that you use what you have, and the end result 635 00:30:14,813 --> 00:30:16,124 is a little bit different. 636 00:30:16,228 --> 00:30:17,850 People are taking these tattoo machines 637 00:30:17,954 --> 00:30:19,610 and are actually tattooing with them professionally. 638 00:30:19,714 --> 00:30:22,821 There's certain tattoo artists that are making their living 639 00:30:22,924 --> 00:30:24,512 using these prison tattoo machines 640 00:30:24,615 --> 00:30:27,239 even though they have standard tattoo machines, 641 00:30:27,342 --> 00:30:29,034 coil machines available. 642 00:30:29,137 --> 00:30:31,450 [whirring] 643 00:30:31,553 --> 00:30:39,630 ♪ 644 00:30:39,734 --> 00:30:42,944 You'll see a lot of Hispanic people wear tattoos more 645 00:30:43,048 --> 00:30:45,705 than any other kind of people, you know. 646 00:30:45,809 --> 00:30:47,466 It's just like part of the culture, I guess, 647 00:30:47,569 --> 00:30:50,538 and it runs in the families of [unintelligible]. 648 00:30:50,641 --> 00:30:52,643 ♪ 649 00:30:52,747 --> 00:30:54,059 Well, they're done usually anytime, 650 00:30:54,162 --> 00:30:56,371 but more or less, like, when... 651 00:30:56,475 --> 00:30:59,478 Evenings, in the evenings, at night. 652 00:30:59,581 --> 00:31:01,273 You know, you got to watch out for the man. 653 00:31:01,376 --> 00:31:03,413 If he walks in, you're gonna lose all your equipment, 654 00:31:03,516 --> 00:31:05,967 the machine, your ink, needles 655 00:31:06,071 --> 00:31:09,350 and, also, on top of that, get a misconduct report. 656 00:31:09,453 --> 00:31:14,838 ♪ 657 00:31:14,942 --> 00:31:16,909 Uh, there's idle time and everything 658 00:31:17,013 --> 00:31:19,670 and, you know, inside a penitentiary, 659 00:31:19,774 --> 00:31:21,327 just like anywhere, I think it's only human 660 00:31:21,431 --> 00:31:23,778 to get involved in doing some type of thing. 661 00:31:23,882 --> 00:31:25,159 ♪ 662 00:31:25,262 --> 00:31:27,955 I do some of the artwork myself. 663 00:31:28,058 --> 00:31:29,991 I do a lot of tattooing and, to me, 664 00:31:30,095 --> 00:31:33,270 I see it as a piece of art, as a work of art. 665 00:32:02,817 --> 00:32:04,060 It's just a skin art, man. 666 00:32:04,163 --> 00:32:05,371 You know, instead of putting it on paper, 667 00:32:05,475 --> 00:32:07,270 you put it on your skin and show it, you know. 668 00:32:07,373 --> 00:32:09,237 It's not for sale, you can't go and hang it on a wall 669 00:32:09,341 --> 00:32:11,515 but, you know, everybody could see it. 670 00:32:11,619 --> 00:32:14,001 And there's some that like it and some that disapprove, 671 00:32:14,104 --> 00:32:16,348 but there's nothing wrong with them. 672 00:32:16,451 --> 00:32:17,556 To me, there ain't. 673 00:32:34,124 --> 00:32:36,092 In here, this is a whole different world, man. 674 00:32:36,195 --> 00:32:37,956 You know, a person puts on a certain tattoo, 675 00:32:38,059 --> 00:32:39,819 it's for a certain reason. 676 00:32:39,923 --> 00:32:41,511 You've got to know what you're gonna put on 677 00:32:41,614 --> 00:32:43,754 'cause it's gonna be there for the rest of your life. 678 00:32:43,858 --> 00:32:51,210 ♪ 679 00:32:51,314 --> 00:32:54,006 One of Ed Hardy's clients, Duke, was the owner 680 00:32:54,110 --> 00:32:58,321 of Ten Thousand Waves, a chic hot tub resort, 681 00:32:58,424 --> 00:33:01,324 a Japanese themed spa in Santa Fe. 682 00:33:02,842 --> 00:33:04,258 A couple of ex-cons 683 00:33:04,361 --> 00:33:06,398 from the New Mexico State Penitentiary 684 00:33:06,501 --> 00:33:09,056 were now living on the outside on parole. 685 00:33:10,022 --> 00:33:12,645 So, I asked Duke-- 686 00:33:12,749 --> 00:33:14,751 it was a wild idea-- 687 00:33:14,854 --> 00:33:18,134 "Can we film a scene with these men 688 00:33:18,237 --> 00:33:22,517 showing their tattoos in a steaming hot tub 689 00:33:22,621 --> 00:33:24,519 in the winter?" 690 00:33:24,623 --> 00:33:26,383 And he said, "Sure." 691 00:33:26,487 --> 00:33:40,397 ♪ 692 00:33:40,501 --> 00:33:44,332 Most of them that I have were done in the joint. 693 00:33:44,436 --> 00:33:48,371 It's, uh, just part of prison life. 694 00:33:48,474 --> 00:33:50,718 You see, that's the whole idea of my back. 695 00:33:50,821 --> 00:33:52,513 The back, I guess, was done 696 00:33:52,616 --> 00:33:55,447 to symbolize my suffering. 697 00:33:55,550 --> 00:33:57,621 Uh, getting busted, 698 00:33:57,725 --> 00:33:59,761 and being in prison 699 00:33:59,865 --> 00:34:02,040 was like the crucification. 700 00:34:02,143 --> 00:34:06,182 And the bottom part, 701 00:34:06,285 --> 00:34:08,460 this bottom part where the guy is finally 702 00:34:08,563 --> 00:34:12,878 busting out of the bars and just taking off, 703 00:34:12,981 --> 00:34:15,398 als--it symbolizes my freedom. 704 00:34:15,501 --> 00:34:17,055 ♪ 705 00:34:17,158 --> 00:34:21,335 And the tattoo on his chest of Jesus 706 00:34:21,438 --> 00:34:23,785 ties the whole thing into the suffering. 707 00:34:23,889 --> 00:34:26,754 And you'll notice that the bar is through his hand 708 00:34:26,857 --> 00:34:29,170 and he's crucified with that. 709 00:34:29,274 --> 00:34:31,069 ♪ 710 00:34:31,172 --> 00:34:33,450 The more I study tattooing, 711 00:34:33,554 --> 00:34:37,385 the more I realized that there were areas 712 00:34:37,489 --> 00:34:40,250 in the history of this amazing art form 713 00:34:40,354 --> 00:34:44,427 that were so totally misunderstood, 714 00:34:44,530 --> 00:34:46,394 misrepresented, 715 00:34:46,498 --> 00:34:50,295 subjected to intense cultural bias. 716 00:34:51,365 --> 00:34:53,850 One area that attracted my interest 717 00:34:53,953 --> 00:34:56,404 was early Christian tattooing. 718 00:34:56,508 --> 00:34:58,993 ♪ 719 00:34:59,097 --> 00:35:02,203 I found a book on Coptic tattoo 720 00:35:02,307 --> 00:35:06,518 and was just in awe 721 00:35:06,621 --> 00:35:08,278 of what was there. 722 00:35:08,382 --> 00:35:09,935 ♪ 723 00:35:10,038 --> 00:35:11,937 According to the author, 724 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,768 Coptic Christians had practiced tattooing 725 00:35:15,872 --> 00:35:20,359 since the founding of the Coptic Church in 50 AD. 726 00:35:20,463 --> 00:35:21,395 ♪ 727 00:35:21,498 --> 00:35:25,157 It had images made from wood blocks 728 00:35:25,261 --> 00:35:29,782 that were carved with these tattoo designs. 729 00:35:29,886 --> 00:35:34,028 Copts made annual pilgrimages to the Holy Land 730 00:35:34,132 --> 00:35:36,203 to be tattooed at Easter 731 00:35:36,306 --> 00:35:38,929 with different stations of the cross. 732 00:35:39,033 --> 00:35:43,382 ♪ 733 00:35:43,486 --> 00:35:47,628 It was a sign, a symbol of devotion 734 00:35:47,731 --> 00:35:50,355 carried on for centuries. 735 00:35:50,458 --> 00:36:00,123 ♪ 736 00:36:00,227 --> 00:36:02,919 These images reveal the deep history 737 00:36:03,022 --> 00:36:06,405 of an area of Christianity that was little known, 738 00:36:06,509 --> 00:36:08,614 so I began studying this further 739 00:36:08,718 --> 00:36:11,341 and looked more deeply into why. 740 00:36:11,445 --> 00:36:13,101 And through that, I discovered that much 741 00:36:13,205 --> 00:36:15,000 of the Coptic tattooing tradition 742 00:36:15,103 --> 00:36:18,141 dated back to references in the Old Testament 743 00:36:18,245 --> 00:36:20,799 but also to the New Testament. 744 00:36:20,902 --> 00:36:26,736 ♪ 745 00:36:26,839 --> 00:36:30,257 Leviticus 19:28 states, "You shall not make 746 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,949 any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, 747 00:36:33,052 --> 00:36:35,572 nor print any marks upon you." 748 00:36:36,953 --> 00:36:38,334 In the New Testament, 749 00:36:38,437 --> 00:36:42,959 the references to tattooing are more complex. 750 00:36:43,062 --> 00:36:46,238 In Galatians 6:17, Paul says, 751 00:36:46,342 --> 00:36:49,137 "Henceforth, let no man trouble me. 752 00:36:49,241 --> 00:36:53,694 I bear on my body the marks of Jesus." 753 00:36:53,797 --> 00:36:56,524 In looking more deeply into the etymology 754 00:36:56,628 --> 00:36:59,147 of the word "mark" as it was translated 755 00:36:59,251 --> 00:37:01,495 from the ancient Greek, 756 00:37:01,598 --> 00:37:06,293 I realized that the word in Greek was "stigma." 757 00:37:06,396 --> 00:37:08,467 "Stigma" literally means 758 00:37:08,571 --> 00:37:11,850 "the permanent marking of the skin." 759 00:37:11,953 --> 00:37:16,406 In Greece, it tends to be associated with the status 760 00:37:16,510 --> 00:37:19,478 of being an outsider, being stigmatized. 761 00:37:19,582 --> 00:37:23,482 Criminals were marked with stigma. 762 00:37:23,586 --> 00:37:28,315 They were marked with tattoos, both in Greece and in Rome, 763 00:37:28,418 --> 00:37:30,627 with little marks on their forehead. 764 00:37:31,801 --> 00:37:35,114 Then there are the stigmata of Christ, 765 00:37:35,218 --> 00:37:37,703 and then one thinks about the idea 766 00:37:37,807 --> 00:37:41,155 of what Paul might've been saying, 767 00:37:41,259 --> 00:37:44,020 which was that he bore on his body 768 00:37:44,123 --> 00:37:47,748 the tattoos of Christ, the stigma. 769 00:37:47,851 --> 00:37:50,164 [ethereal vocalizing] 770 00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:51,683 ♪ 771 00:37:51,786 --> 00:37:54,375 There are many anecdotal accounts 772 00:37:54,479 --> 00:37:56,446 that during the Crusades, 773 00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:58,448 there were people in the Holy Land 774 00:37:58,552 --> 00:38:01,348 who had tattoos of crosses 775 00:38:01,451 --> 00:38:04,661 on their wrist, on their hands, 776 00:38:04,765 --> 00:38:07,975 so that they could be shown to the Crusaders 777 00:38:08,078 --> 00:38:10,633 to prove that they were not infidels, 778 00:38:10,736 --> 00:38:13,946 that they were Christians and should be spared. 779 00:38:14,050 --> 00:38:17,018 ♪ 780 00:38:17,122 --> 00:38:18,330 Now, what about the one on your hand? 781 00:38:18,434 --> 00:38:20,401 -That little cross. -This little cross? 782 00:38:20,505 --> 00:38:22,127 Guys in la barrio where I grew up 783 00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:24,405 were all putting crosses here on their hand, 784 00:38:24,509 --> 00:38:27,684 and we were in this gang called The Project Roamers. 785 00:38:28,927 --> 00:38:30,377 Yeah. 786 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,103 I think I put this on when I was 13 or something. 787 00:38:33,207 --> 00:38:35,623 -What's that right below it? -Here? 788 00:38:35,727 --> 00:38:38,902 It was an S for an old girlfriend that I used to have. 789 00:38:39,006 --> 00:38:40,318 Shirley. 790 00:38:41,871 --> 00:38:43,528 Have you ever felt like you wanted 791 00:38:43,631 --> 00:38:44,839 to get any of them removed 792 00:38:44,943 --> 00:38:46,151 or do you feel happy with what you got? 793 00:38:46,254 --> 00:38:48,326 Yeah, I feel real happy. 794 00:38:48,429 --> 00:38:49,948 I'm looking forward to putting some more on 795 00:38:50,051 --> 00:38:51,294 and just tying it all together 796 00:38:51,398 --> 00:38:54,366 so it doesn't look so spaced out. 797 00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:57,714 And this way everything will just be one tattoo. 798 00:38:57,818 --> 00:38:59,647 Was there a book or something you could choose these from? 799 00:38:59,751 --> 00:39:02,374 How did you know which ones that you wanted? 800 00:39:02,478 --> 00:39:05,343 Well, these I had designed myself. 801 00:39:05,446 --> 00:39:06,551 I gave someone the idea. 802 00:39:06,654 --> 00:39:08,069 I told them, "This is what I want," 803 00:39:08,173 --> 00:39:10,382 and we sat down and looked at different cars, 804 00:39:10,486 --> 00:39:13,143 and from there we put the patterns together 805 00:39:13,247 --> 00:39:14,559 that I wanted. 806 00:39:15,525 --> 00:39:17,113 Are you a lowrider yourself? 807 00:39:17,216 --> 00:39:18,632 I used to be, yeah. 808 00:39:18,735 --> 00:39:20,358 I've had a few, not anymore. 809 00:39:20,461 --> 00:39:21,876 -In L.A.? -Yeah, in Cali, yeah, 810 00:39:21,980 --> 00:39:23,188 California, where I grew up. 811 00:39:23,291 --> 00:39:24,292 What're you doing here? 812 00:39:24,396 --> 00:39:26,502 I go to the College of Santa Fe. 813 00:39:26,605 --> 00:39:28,952 I'm a student there, Criminal Justice student. 814 00:39:29,056 --> 00:39:32,300 Having thought about reasons why people get tattoos, 815 00:39:32,404 --> 00:39:34,372 and the way they get tattoos, 816 00:39:34,475 --> 00:39:37,754 I started to put together a philosophy about it. 817 00:39:37,858 --> 00:39:42,310 The Japanese basic approved way of tattoo 818 00:39:42,414 --> 00:39:44,658 is that they contract with an artist 819 00:39:44,761 --> 00:39:47,177 and he does their whole body, 820 00:39:47,281 --> 00:39:50,422 neck to ankles. 821 00:39:50,526 --> 00:39:53,321 American tattoo has traditionally, I think, 822 00:39:53,425 --> 00:39:57,395 been a real scattershot individualistic 823 00:39:57,498 --> 00:39:59,914 type of approach where people 824 00:40:00,018 --> 00:40:04,332 just get the tattoo as their mood strikes them. 825 00:40:04,436 --> 00:40:06,369 So, what I've tried to do with my tattoo 826 00:40:06,473 --> 00:40:10,511 is sort of combine the two philosophies 827 00:40:10,615 --> 00:40:14,377 and have a general overall plan 828 00:40:14,481 --> 00:40:18,416 where the tattoo is always complete in itself, 829 00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:22,799 but it has always got more work to do on it. 830 00:40:22,903 --> 00:40:25,077 I was attracted to the tattoo field 831 00:40:25,181 --> 00:40:27,425 because of what I'd seen done in Japanese tattooing, 832 00:40:27,528 --> 00:40:30,220 which is probably the singular place in the world 833 00:40:30,324 --> 00:40:31,636 that it had been developed 834 00:40:31,739 --> 00:40:34,777 as a very complex aesthetic unto itself. 835 00:40:35,881 --> 00:40:38,263 The Japanese aesthetic in tattooing 836 00:40:38,366 --> 00:40:40,230 builds on the imagery 837 00:40:40,334 --> 00:40:42,923 of the ukiyo-e woodcut prints 838 00:40:43,026 --> 00:40:45,097 of the 19th century. 839 00:40:45,201 --> 00:40:48,963 They feature scenes of what was thought of 840 00:40:49,067 --> 00:40:51,345 to be the floating world. 841 00:40:51,449 --> 00:40:53,623 ♪ 842 00:40:53,727 --> 00:40:55,763 The man singularly responsible for the birth 843 00:40:55,867 --> 00:40:58,456 of modern tattooing was Sailor Jerry Collins, 844 00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:01,631 a Honolulu based tattoo artist who died in 1973. 845 00:41:01,735 --> 00:41:03,253 He was a traditional American artist, 846 00:41:03,357 --> 00:41:06,671 a fantastic strong stylist within the American tradition 847 00:41:06,774 --> 00:41:08,880 who began to really explore Asian art, 848 00:41:08,983 --> 00:41:11,469 and specifically the Japanese tattoo tradition 849 00:41:11,572 --> 00:41:13,298 in the early 1960s. 850 00:41:13,401 --> 00:41:17,026 ♪ 851 00:41:17,129 --> 00:41:20,167 Ed Hardy corresponded with Sailor Jerry, 852 00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:21,755 worked with Sailor Jerry, 853 00:41:21,858 --> 00:41:24,792 and he brought that aesthetic further. 854 00:41:26,207 --> 00:41:27,830 At the height of his career, 855 00:41:27,933 --> 00:41:32,213 Ed made annual trips to Tokyo to tattoo. 856 00:41:32,317 --> 00:41:36,563 He was very interested in the Japanese aesthetic 857 00:41:36,666 --> 00:41:40,256 of the body suit, of the unified tattoo, 858 00:41:40,359 --> 00:41:43,535 reflective of the unified thinking 859 00:41:43,639 --> 00:41:46,745 of the person wearing the tattoo. 860 00:41:46,849 --> 00:41:49,645 And I hoped to fuse that in and create something similar 861 00:41:49,748 --> 00:41:52,026 to that in a Western context 862 00:41:52,130 --> 00:41:55,478 using our unique American experience. 863 00:41:55,582 --> 00:41:57,515 And it has succeeded beyond my wildest dreams 864 00:41:57,618 --> 00:42:00,034 in terms of the interest level 865 00:42:00,138 --> 00:42:02,692 and the ability and enthusiasm of the people 866 00:42:02,796 --> 00:42:05,453 entering the field both as tattoo artists 867 00:42:05,557 --> 00:42:08,284 and what the tattoo clients, 868 00:42:08,387 --> 00:42:10,044 the tattooees are bringing to it 869 00:42:10,148 --> 00:42:13,634 as they see the possibilities extended. 870 00:42:13,738 --> 00:42:23,748 ♪ 871 00:42:23,851 --> 00:42:27,752 Beyond the visible meaning of a tattoo or subject matter, 872 00:42:27,855 --> 00:42:30,478 the formal compositional abstract qualities 873 00:42:30,582 --> 00:42:32,998 were always of paramount importance to me. 874 00:42:33,102 --> 00:42:35,449 And this was true especially in the Asian work, 875 00:42:35,553 --> 00:42:39,453 the Japanese work that was my primary initial influence, 876 00:42:39,557 --> 00:42:41,144 and these began to be more and more important 877 00:42:41,248 --> 00:42:43,215 I think in the late '70s and into the early '80s 878 00:42:43,319 --> 00:42:48,117 as purely abstract tattoo patterns begin to be used. 879 00:42:48,220 --> 00:42:51,430 But in terms of minimalist or abstract tattoo work, 880 00:42:51,534 --> 00:42:53,950 some of the first works in that field 881 00:42:54,054 --> 00:42:55,952 that were really the most beautifully done 882 00:42:56,056 --> 00:42:57,989 and profoundly thought out and executed 883 00:42:58,092 --> 00:42:59,646 were by a woman named Jamie Summers 884 00:42:59,749 --> 00:43:01,855 who tattooed under the name of La Palma. 885 00:43:01,958 --> 00:43:04,651 ♪ 886 00:43:04,754 --> 00:43:07,205 Beginning in the late 1970s, she and I were associated 887 00:43:07,308 --> 00:43:10,588 and she learned to tattoo basically in my studio. 888 00:43:10,691 --> 00:43:14,005 She was an installation artist and a sculptor, 889 00:43:14,108 --> 00:43:17,767 and she was interested in making tattoos 890 00:43:17,871 --> 00:43:21,322 that redefined the affecting presence 891 00:43:21,426 --> 00:43:23,221 of the human body. 892 00:43:23,324 --> 00:43:24,981 Her tattoos were sculptural. 893 00:43:25,085 --> 00:43:29,710 They were often abstract or organic forms and shapes. 894 00:43:29,814 --> 00:43:33,058 She saw the person who got her tattoos 895 00:43:33,162 --> 00:43:35,164 as a living sculpture. 896 00:43:35,267 --> 00:43:38,650 She was a strong believer in tattooing 897 00:43:38,754 --> 00:43:42,136 as a therapeutic art form in a sense. 898 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:46,520 She felt that individuals could use the tattoo 899 00:43:46,624 --> 00:43:50,213 to help discover their inner psyche. 900 00:43:50,317 --> 00:43:54,390 It could drive them to deeper intuitive thinking, 901 00:43:54,493 --> 00:43:58,497 greater and more profound appreciation of themselves 902 00:43:58,601 --> 00:44:01,880 and their relationship to art, culture, 903 00:44:01,984 --> 00:44:06,574 society, their place in the world. 904 00:44:06,678 --> 00:44:09,267 Jamie's really into what she refers to 905 00:44:09,370 --> 00:44:10,682 as biographical tattoos 906 00:44:10,786 --> 00:44:13,133 and tattoos about as closely linked to nature 907 00:44:13,236 --> 00:44:14,721 as one can get. 908 00:44:14,824 --> 00:44:16,481 I said, "Jamie, I want some wings, 909 00:44:16,584 --> 00:44:17,862 but I don't the typical tattoo wings 910 00:44:17,965 --> 00:44:19,657 with the fire and all the color." 911 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,900 So what she did was photograph 912 00:44:22,004 --> 00:44:25,352 some of her geese's wings, 913 00:44:25,455 --> 00:44:27,492 and brought it in 914 00:44:27,595 --> 00:44:28,907 and showed me three different types 915 00:44:29,011 --> 00:44:30,771 and I picked out what I liked. 916 00:44:30,875 --> 00:44:32,842 And just by trade I happen to be a messenger, 917 00:44:32,946 --> 00:44:34,982 but there's no Hermes implications there. 918 00:44:35,086 --> 00:44:37,019 I am kind of light on my feet. 919 00:44:37,122 --> 00:44:40,367 I am kind of light on my feet, and, well, 920 00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:43,404 the first day after I had these wings put on 921 00:44:43,508 --> 00:44:45,406 I bowled a 215, so. 922 00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:48,582 [laughing] 923 00:44:48,686 --> 00:44:50,204 Here they are. 924 00:44:50,308 --> 00:44:52,379 This is the ribbing. 925 00:44:52,482 --> 00:44:53,691 It's a two-dimensional wing. 926 00:44:53,794 --> 00:44:55,313 This is the inside of the wing 927 00:44:55,416 --> 00:44:58,385 and this is the feathered effect on the outside of the wing. 928 00:44:58,488 --> 00:44:59,938 So, if you look at them like this 929 00:45:00,042 --> 00:45:03,217 you can sort of almost feel the flow of 'em. 930 00:45:03,321 --> 00:45:05,323 Yeah, I really like 'em. 931 00:45:05,426 --> 00:45:07,808 In the course of her work, she influenced 932 00:45:07,912 --> 00:45:09,983 a great many of us with her concepts 933 00:45:10,086 --> 00:45:11,916 and the pieces that she was able to complete. 934 00:45:12,019 --> 00:45:15,471 She tragically died a very young death. 935 00:45:15,574 --> 00:45:17,266 ♪ 936 00:45:17,369 --> 00:45:21,339 Jamie was really advancing in the art world 937 00:45:21,442 --> 00:45:24,652 when she tragically was killed. 938 00:45:24,756 --> 00:45:26,585 She had a studio in SoHo. 939 00:45:26,689 --> 00:45:28,311 She was on her bicycle, 940 00:45:28,415 --> 00:45:31,729 and a garbage truck ran up over the curb 941 00:45:31,832 --> 00:45:33,351 and she died. 942 00:45:33,454 --> 00:45:37,320 ♪ 943 00:45:37,424 --> 00:45:39,184 And Jamie's ideas and execution 944 00:45:39,288 --> 00:45:42,843 and method of working influenced a lot of us. 945 00:45:42,947 --> 00:45:44,672 She particularly did some work 946 00:45:44,776 --> 00:45:46,847 on an artist named Cynthia Witkin 947 00:45:46,951 --> 00:45:49,091 who's centered in Albuquerque, New Mexico. 948 00:45:49,194 --> 00:45:50,748 Did a large piece on Cynthia's back 949 00:45:50,851 --> 00:45:52,301 and inspired Cynthia to take the tack 950 00:45:52,404 --> 00:45:56,305 that she has developed into with her own tattoo work. 951 00:45:56,408 --> 00:45:58,963 I had been to previous tattoo parlors 952 00:45:59,066 --> 00:46:01,828 and I'd been looking for somebody to do something 953 00:46:01,931 --> 00:46:03,588 very different looking, 954 00:46:03,691 --> 00:46:06,556 and there wasn't a great deal 955 00:46:06,660 --> 00:46:08,351 of black work being done at the time, 956 00:46:08,455 --> 00:46:12,735 and so when I met with Jamie she was very excited. 957 00:46:12,839 --> 00:46:14,944 We had a very good connection. 958 00:46:15,048 --> 00:46:16,808 We talked about the tattoo, 959 00:46:16,912 --> 00:46:18,189 and I came back the next day 960 00:46:18,292 --> 00:46:21,709 and she did 11 hours of work on me. 961 00:46:21,813 --> 00:46:24,643 And that was the only time I saw her. 962 00:46:24,747 --> 00:46:27,646 We kept really close correspondence. 963 00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:29,200 We talked on the telephone, 964 00:46:29,303 --> 00:46:33,066 and she was a great mentor for me 965 00:46:33,169 --> 00:46:36,207 to make the transition from 966 00:46:36,310 --> 00:46:40,142 my initial long life dream of being a doctor 967 00:46:40,245 --> 00:46:44,629 to my new ambition of being an artist. 968 00:46:44,732 --> 00:46:46,976 ♪ 969 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,737 And Cynthia's probably working 970 00:46:49,841 --> 00:46:52,879 to the greatest extent of any of the younger tattoo artists 971 00:46:52,982 --> 00:46:56,503 with this minimal, very intense abstracted imagery 972 00:46:56,606 --> 00:46:59,886 that comes from--drawing from a spiritual tradition 973 00:46:59,989 --> 00:47:02,371 that is very much her own, that's centered 974 00:47:02,474 --> 00:47:03,890 on the New Mexico landscape, 975 00:47:03,993 --> 00:47:05,684 that's centered on her experiences 976 00:47:05,788 --> 00:47:08,032 and sensibilities as a working artist. 977 00:47:08,135 --> 00:47:09,827 ♪ 978 00:47:09,930 --> 00:47:12,484 The idea of the white tattoo 979 00:47:12,588 --> 00:47:16,730 that would blush pink when a person was hot, 980 00:47:16,834 --> 00:47:19,802 the idea of the conceptual tattoo, 981 00:47:19,906 --> 00:47:22,184 geometric forms, 982 00:47:22,287 --> 00:47:26,360 art forms that related to other art forms 983 00:47:26,464 --> 00:47:28,466 to make connections. 984 00:47:28,569 --> 00:47:35,128 ♪ 985 00:47:35,231 --> 00:47:37,233 She's drawing from a lot of these deep springs 986 00:47:37,337 --> 00:47:39,132 of artistic inspiration and bringing 987 00:47:39,235 --> 00:47:41,651 a really unique sensibility to her tattoos. 988 00:47:41,755 --> 00:47:44,965 ♪ 989 00:47:45,069 --> 00:47:46,967 Cynthia, at that time, was married 990 00:47:47,071 --> 00:47:49,867 to the photographer Joel-Peter Witkin 991 00:47:49,970 --> 00:47:51,834 and was very much involved in helping 992 00:47:51,938 --> 00:47:54,181 to style his photographs. 993 00:47:54,285 --> 00:48:06,884 ♪ 994 00:48:06,987 --> 00:48:09,472 Cynthia is in Albuquerque 995 00:48:09,576 --> 00:48:11,992 and has done her best 996 00:48:12,096 --> 00:48:15,099 to carry forth tattooing 997 00:48:15,202 --> 00:48:19,068 as Jamie Summers helped to redefine it. 998 00:48:19,172 --> 00:48:29,216 ♪ 999 00:48:29,216 --> 00:48:36,085 ♪ 1000 00:48:36,189 --> 00:48:39,157 Tattoos mean a lot of things to different people. 1001 00:48:39,261 --> 00:48:43,230 Mine mean to me the essence of life, 1002 00:48:43,334 --> 00:48:47,027 freedom, my religious background. 1003 00:48:47,131 --> 00:48:48,960 I was never really a Catholic. 1004 00:48:49,064 --> 00:48:51,376 I was very non-denominational. 1005 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,862 I believed in God, but I didn't know His son, 1006 00:48:54,966 --> 00:48:56,934 but my tattoos, 1007 00:48:57,037 --> 00:48:59,108 they speak for themselves. 1008 00:49:00,109 --> 00:49:02,663 I got 'em in prison. 1009 00:49:02,767 --> 00:49:05,632 It was a homemade tattoo gun 1010 00:49:05,735 --> 00:49:09,222 and homemade ink. 1011 00:49:09,325 --> 00:49:11,189 We used shampoo 1012 00:49:11,293 --> 00:49:14,330 and other stuff to do it with. 1013 00:49:15,918 --> 00:49:18,058 It took a grand total 1014 00:49:18,162 --> 00:49:21,993 of 18 hours to make the ink 1015 00:49:22,097 --> 00:49:25,307 and it took two days to do the tattoos. 1016 00:49:25,410 --> 00:49:29,621 This would happen when a guard was up at the front 1017 00:49:29,725 --> 00:49:32,762 and we would use another inmate 1018 00:49:32,866 --> 00:49:35,041 to get his attention 1019 00:49:35,144 --> 00:49:39,286 or the officer knew what we were doing and didn't care. 1020 00:49:39,390 --> 00:49:42,220 I put that tattoo in there because that eagle, 1021 00:49:42,324 --> 00:49:45,016 he's free, but that doesn't mean 1022 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,330 that he always gets to eat 1023 00:49:48,433 --> 00:49:51,126 because he's the king of the sky. 1024 00:49:51,229 --> 00:49:53,921 The one I have on here dove into the water 1025 00:49:54,025 --> 00:49:55,958 and came out with nothing, 1026 00:49:56,062 --> 00:49:58,029 and it's the same with me. 1027 00:49:58,133 --> 00:50:01,101 I came out of prison with nothing. 1028 00:50:01,205 --> 00:50:05,485 I dove into this world and came up empty-handed. 1029 00:50:05,588 --> 00:50:10,317 Death disguised, looking around the corner 1030 00:50:10,421 --> 00:50:13,562 like a person out there on the street. 1031 00:50:13,665 --> 00:50:16,634 He doesn't know when his next meal's coming from. 1032 00:50:16,737 --> 00:50:19,188 He doesn't know where he'll be 1033 00:50:19,292 --> 00:50:22,674 within the next hour or so or the next-- 1034 00:50:22,778 --> 00:50:24,538 if he'll wake up in the morning. 1035 00:50:24,642 --> 00:50:29,785 ♪ 1036 00:50:29,785 --> 00:50:34,652 ♪ 1037 00:50:50,185 --> 00:50:52,049 Who's that on the right arm there? 1038 00:50:52,152 --> 00:50:53,326 That's Walt Whitman. 1039 00:50:53,429 --> 00:50:55,431 It's a portrait of Walt Whitman, 1887, 1040 00:50:55,535 --> 00:50:58,296 and he called it The Laughing Philosopher, 1041 00:50:58,400 --> 00:50:59,815 although other people have called it 1042 00:50:59,918 --> 00:51:01,299 the Santa Claus Whitman. 1043 00:51:01,403 --> 00:51:04,095 Tattoo was done right here by Bob Roberts. 1044 00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:06,097 It's a very personal tattoo. 1045 00:51:06,201 --> 00:51:07,719 Been reading Whitman for many years 1046 00:51:07,823 --> 00:51:12,448 and it's just one way I identify a little bit closer with him. 1047 00:51:12,552 --> 00:51:15,072 What's your favorite poem by Whitman? 1048 00:51:15,175 --> 00:51:17,143 Probably Song of the Open Road. 1049 00:51:17,246 --> 00:51:18,627 Can you recite part of it? 1050 00:51:18,730 --> 00:51:21,043 No, I can't, I'm not that well-versed. 1051 00:51:21,147 --> 00:51:22,631 Pardon the pun. 1052 00:51:22,734 --> 00:51:25,220 [laughing] 1053 00:51:26,704 --> 00:51:28,982 This arm is my Oriental arm, 1054 00:51:29,086 --> 00:51:30,501 and that's the way I wanted it 1055 00:51:30,604 --> 00:51:32,744 'cause I've always had a pretty deep fascination 1056 00:51:32,848 --> 00:51:36,610 with Oriental symbols and images 1057 00:51:36,714 --> 00:51:39,820 and landscapes and stuff. 1058 00:51:39,924 --> 00:51:41,581 Good deal of it was done by Bob Roberts 1059 00:51:41,684 --> 00:51:45,481 and I was lucky enough to have Ed Hardy finish it off. 1060 00:51:45,585 --> 00:51:47,242 Originally just had a tiger here, 1061 00:51:47,345 --> 00:51:49,485 and then I realized when I stepped over the line 1062 00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:51,246 and I wanted continuity, I wanted theme, 1063 00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:53,075 I didn't wanna just have a piece here, 1064 00:51:53,179 --> 00:51:54,870 a piece there, a piece there. 1065 00:51:54,973 --> 00:51:56,182 I wanted the thing to be drawn in, 1066 00:51:56,285 --> 00:51:58,632 to have some kind of a theme, you know? 1067 00:51:58,736 --> 00:52:01,325 So, I just had a tiger there and Bob-- 1068 00:52:01,428 --> 00:52:03,810 I came back and said, "Bob, fill it up." 1069 00:52:03,913 --> 00:52:06,502 He said, "I knew you were gonna do that to me." 1070 00:52:06,606 --> 00:52:09,091 ♪ 1071 00:52:09,195 --> 00:52:12,094 I was always fascinated by tattoos 1072 00:52:12,198 --> 00:52:14,993 but I wasn't gonna go in and just, 1073 00:52:15,097 --> 00:52:18,618 you know, just get one and, you know, 1074 00:52:18,721 --> 00:52:21,897 I didn't find the work that I'd seen 1075 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,002 or the shops very attractive at all 1076 00:52:24,106 --> 00:52:25,659 until I'd seen the work of Ed Hardy 1077 00:52:25,763 --> 00:52:28,179 and seen there was a whole different world 1078 00:52:28,283 --> 00:52:30,457 that was just starting. 1079 00:52:30,561 --> 00:52:32,632 This was from a Walter Crane illustration, 1080 00:52:32,735 --> 00:52:35,876 another turn of the century British illustrator. 1081 00:52:35,980 --> 00:52:38,534 Basically the idea behind it is sort of surrealistic 1082 00:52:38,638 --> 00:52:42,228 tiger lilies turning into tigers. 1083 00:52:42,331 --> 00:52:44,299 The mouths of the tigers are a part of the flower, 1084 00:52:44,402 --> 00:52:47,819 and the woman in a little tiger robe coming out of there. 1085 00:52:47,923 --> 00:52:51,029 But this was also planned one whole idea. 1086 00:52:51,133 --> 00:52:52,686 You know, my chest piece. 1087 00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:55,275 This rather peaceful scene goes into this, 1088 00:52:55,379 --> 00:52:57,243 you know, not so peaceful. 1089 00:52:57,346 --> 00:52:59,624 It's just busting out. 1090 00:52:59,728 --> 00:53:01,316 I really like that whole concept of that piece, 1091 00:53:01,419 --> 00:53:03,904 both because of the transformative nature of it. 1092 00:53:04,008 --> 00:53:06,700 I think that lends itself real well to tattoo imagery 1093 00:53:06,804 --> 00:53:10,083 since tattooing is a transformative process. 1094 00:53:10,187 --> 00:53:12,154 The work of Ed Hardy really inspired me 1095 00:53:12,258 --> 00:53:16,434 and him as a person, he really inspired me, 1096 00:53:16,538 --> 00:53:20,300 and I was lucky enough to get offered an apprenticeship 1097 00:53:20,404 --> 00:53:23,855 with another tattooer who was a friend of his, 1098 00:53:23,959 --> 00:53:25,305 Dean Dennis, 1099 00:53:25,409 --> 00:53:27,859 and it was a very special thing, 1100 00:53:27,963 --> 00:53:30,310 because there were very few women tattooing. 1101 00:53:30,414 --> 00:53:32,105 So, it was kind of a-- 1102 00:53:32,209 --> 00:53:34,487 I was in the right place at the right time. 1103 00:53:34,590 --> 00:53:42,598 ♪ 1104 00:53:42,702 --> 00:53:45,394 We used to talk about what our tattoos meant to us 1105 00:53:45,498 --> 00:53:49,329 and how you just-- some of 'em you'd had so long 1106 00:53:49,433 --> 00:53:50,951 you don't even look at 'em anymore, 1107 00:53:51,055 --> 00:53:54,058 but really what they are is a-- 1108 00:53:54,161 --> 00:53:55,818 they are a part of you. 1109 00:53:55,922 --> 00:54:00,754 I used to say, "Your brains spilled out on your skin 1110 00:54:00,858 --> 00:54:02,377 and now you're wearing it," 1111 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,345 and that's why I'm comfortable with the work that I have, 1112 00:54:05,449 --> 00:54:10,523 because I thought a lot about every one I got 1113 00:54:10,626 --> 00:54:12,973 and they're my friends, just like my books are. 1114 00:54:13,077 --> 00:54:18,393 ♪ 1115 00:54:18,496 --> 00:54:22,983 Tattoos are--just the way they say you are what you eat, 1116 00:54:23,087 --> 00:54:25,158 you are what you wear, too. 1117 00:54:25,262 --> 00:54:35,272 ♪ 1118 00:54:35,272 --> 00:54:46,386 ♪ 1119 00:54:46,490 --> 00:54:48,526 Since the 19th century, 1120 00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:53,186 tattoo artists have done drawings and paintings 1121 00:54:53,290 --> 00:54:56,189 to show the public what images 1122 00:54:56,293 --> 00:54:59,296 were available for tattoos. 1123 00:54:59,399 --> 00:55:03,058 These drawings and paintings became known as flash 1124 00:55:03,161 --> 00:55:05,129 for their immediate appeal. 1125 00:55:05,232 --> 00:55:06,751 They were colorful, 1126 00:55:06,855 --> 00:55:12,343 they illustrated the thinking of tattoo artists. 1127 00:55:12,447 --> 00:55:16,105 In some cases, tattoo artists made stencils 1128 00:55:16,209 --> 00:55:18,625 from these drawings and paintings 1129 00:55:18,729 --> 00:55:21,145 and then used the stencil as an outline 1130 00:55:21,248 --> 00:55:23,837 to follow when making a tattoo. 1131 00:55:23,941 --> 00:55:26,530 ♪ 1132 00:55:26,633 --> 00:55:28,842 In other cases, tattoo artists 1133 00:55:28,946 --> 00:55:31,500 only used these as an inspiration, 1134 00:55:31,604 --> 00:55:35,124 as a way of showing their public what they could do. 1135 00:55:35,228 --> 00:55:37,334 And then when they made the tattoos 1136 00:55:37,437 --> 00:55:39,853 they were done free-hand. 1137 00:55:41,130 --> 00:55:43,650 In the early 1990s, 1138 00:55:43,754 --> 00:55:47,344 Ed Hardy and I began talking about the need 1139 00:55:47,447 --> 00:55:50,277 to exhibit these drawings and paintings 1140 00:55:50,381 --> 00:55:52,832 that had been made for more than a century 1141 00:55:52,935 --> 00:55:54,696 by tattoo artists. 1142 00:55:54,799 --> 00:55:58,424 We organized a show called Flash from the Past 1143 00:55:58,527 --> 00:56:02,393 that was at the Hertzberg Museum in San Antonio. 1144 00:56:02,497 --> 00:56:05,810 This became the basis of a much larger 1145 00:56:05,914 --> 00:56:07,191 and more important show 1146 00:56:07,294 --> 00:56:08,848 at the Drawing Center in New York 1147 00:56:08,951 --> 00:56:11,471 called Pierced Hearts and True Love. 1148 00:56:11,575 --> 00:56:13,646 ♪ 1149 00:56:13,749 --> 00:56:17,891 In the process of curating and organizing, 1150 00:56:17,995 --> 00:56:21,412 Ed Hardy and Chuck Eldridge came to Arlington, Texas 1151 00:56:21,516 --> 00:56:23,414 for a tattoo convention. 1152 00:56:23,518 --> 00:56:25,796 There they met a woman by the name 1153 00:56:25,899 --> 00:56:28,315 of Lotteva Wagner-Davis. 1154 00:56:28,419 --> 00:56:31,491 Lotteva was the daughter of Gus Wagner 1155 00:56:31,595 --> 00:56:34,908 who billed himself as a world champion tattooist, 1156 00:56:35,012 --> 00:56:39,844 globetrotter, last of the hand tattooists. 1157 00:56:39,948 --> 00:56:43,434 Just prior to the Hertzberg exhibition, 1158 00:56:43,538 --> 00:56:45,298 Lotteva died. 1159 00:56:45,402 --> 00:56:49,198 I went to West Texas and I met with her heir, 1160 00:56:49,302 --> 00:56:50,717 Rocky Reisner. 1161 00:56:50,821 --> 00:56:55,550 Rocky was very nervous about what to do with this collection. 1162 00:56:55,653 --> 00:56:58,276 It quickly became apparent to me 1163 00:56:58,380 --> 00:57:00,313 that this was the oldest 1164 00:57:00,417 --> 00:57:03,661 American tattoo collection ever found. 1165 00:57:03,765 --> 00:57:05,456 ♪ 1166 00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,770 Gus Wagner's tattoo flash amazed me. 1167 00:57:08,873 --> 00:57:11,842 He was a figure out of the novels of Herman Melville. 1168 00:57:11,945 --> 00:57:14,569 He was a merchant seaman who learned to tattoo 1169 00:57:14,672 --> 00:57:17,330 in Java and Borneo. 1170 00:57:17,434 --> 00:57:20,160 He made his own tattoo instruments 1171 00:57:20,264 --> 00:57:23,854 hand-carved out of wood and ivory. 1172 00:57:23,957 --> 00:57:26,581 His tattoo flash was contained in little books 1173 00:57:26,684 --> 00:57:28,479 that he carried with him. 1174 00:57:28,583 --> 00:57:32,069 Hand-painted designs on canvas pages 1175 00:57:32,172 --> 00:57:36,349 that showed the iconography of the popular culture, 1176 00:57:36,453 --> 00:57:39,525 the folk culture of the 19th century. 1177 00:57:39,628 --> 00:57:44,391 This was the root of this tradition in American tattooing 1178 00:57:44,495 --> 00:57:47,187 as it had not been known before. 1179 00:57:47,291 --> 00:57:48,982 ♪ 1180 00:57:49,086 --> 00:57:52,917 My wife, Kaleta Doolin, and I acquired this collection, 1181 00:57:53,021 --> 00:57:55,472 not for the purposes of keeping it, 1182 00:57:55,575 --> 00:57:58,820 but as a means to bring it into the world. 1183 00:57:58,923 --> 00:58:02,617 I promised Rocky that the work would never be sold, 1184 00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:06,137 and ultimately, we donated this collection 1185 00:58:06,241 --> 00:58:09,347 to the South Street Seaport Museum in New York. 1186 00:58:09,451 --> 00:58:15,630 ♪ 1187 00:58:15,733 --> 00:58:17,908 When I was interviewing Stoney 1188 00:58:18,011 --> 00:58:21,498 I marveled at the series of photographs 1189 00:58:21,601 --> 00:58:24,328 that were stapled on the wall 1190 00:58:24,431 --> 00:58:27,365 on the perimeter of the interior of his shop. 1191 00:58:27,469 --> 00:58:29,954 ♪ 1192 00:58:30,058 --> 00:58:33,579 What I learned was that these photographs, 1193 00:58:33,682 --> 00:58:37,479 these snapshots, were sold by Bernard Kobel 1194 00:58:37,583 --> 00:58:39,999 in Florida in a catalog. 1195 00:58:40,102 --> 00:58:42,242 ♪ 1196 00:58:42,346 --> 00:58:44,762 In the 1950s and '60s, 1197 00:58:44,866 --> 00:58:48,110 there were not a lot of photographs available 1198 00:58:48,214 --> 00:58:49,871 of tattooed people. 1199 00:58:49,974 --> 00:58:53,322 Bernard Kobel, who was a collector of photographs 1200 00:58:53,426 --> 00:58:55,842 of heavily tattooed men and women, 1201 00:58:55,946 --> 00:59:00,502 developed a catalog through which he sold snapshots 1202 00:59:00,606 --> 00:59:04,368 that were sent to him by tattoo collectors, 1203 00:59:04,471 --> 00:59:06,439 people who had tattoos, 1204 00:59:06,543 --> 00:59:09,546 people who were married to people with tattoos. 1205 00:59:09,649 --> 00:59:12,549 Looking at these photographs today, 1206 00:59:12,652 --> 00:59:15,310 one can only wonder who these people are. 1207 00:59:15,413 --> 00:59:22,559 ♪ 1208 00:59:22,662 --> 00:59:25,285 They were people who were proud of their tattoos, 1209 00:59:25,389 --> 00:59:29,842 but could only show them in black and white photography. 1210 00:59:29,945 --> 00:59:32,120 These were photographs that apparently 1211 00:59:32,223 --> 00:59:34,916 people traded among themselves. 1212 00:59:35,019 --> 00:59:39,196 They very much anticipated the explosion 1213 00:59:39,299 --> 00:59:41,785 of tattoo magazines today 1214 00:59:41,888 --> 00:59:46,721 where there are thousands of images 1215 00:59:46,824 --> 00:59:49,793 of tattooed people. 1216 00:59:49,896 --> 00:59:51,553 The photography is better, 1217 00:59:51,657 --> 00:59:53,279 they're in color, 1218 00:59:53,382 --> 00:59:55,108 but the spirit of them, 1219 00:59:55,212 --> 00:59:58,698 the mystery of them remains. 1220 00:59:58,802 --> 01:00:03,116 ♪ 1221 01:00:04,393 --> 01:00:08,915 ♪ 1222 01:00:35,873 --> 01:00:49,266 ♪ 1223 01:01:30,859 --> 01:01:36,796 ♪ 1224 01:02:32,231 --> 01:02:34,854 [waves crashing] 1225 01:02:34,958 --> 01:02:39,134 The seeds of the tattoo uprising were sown in the 1760s... 1226 01:02:39,238 --> 01:02:42,034 ♪ 1227 01:02:42,137 --> 01:02:45,140 ...when French and British explorers discovered 1228 01:02:45,244 --> 01:02:48,592 in Polynesia and the cultures of the South Sea Islands 1229 01:02:48,695 --> 01:02:51,940 tattooing on a scale never seen before 1230 01:02:52,044 --> 01:02:53,977 in the Western world. 1231 01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,427 ♪ 1232 01:02:56,531 --> 01:02:58,947 The British Captain James Cook 1233 01:02:59,051 --> 01:03:02,779 is credited with introducing the word "tattoo" 1234 01:03:02,882 --> 01:03:05,022 into the English language. 1235 01:03:05,126 --> 01:03:08,370 Prior to the voyages of Captain Cook, 1236 01:03:08,474 --> 01:03:12,927 the word "tattoo" meant a drum rhythm. 1237 01:03:13,030 --> 01:03:17,069 Cook, upon hearing the word "tatau," 1238 01:03:17,172 --> 01:03:19,657 which was a Polynesian word that he found 1239 01:03:19,761 --> 01:03:21,798 in the Marquesas Islands, 1240 01:03:21,901 --> 01:03:24,179 coined the word "tattoo" 1241 01:03:24,283 --> 01:03:29,322 to describe this practice of permanently marking the skin. 1242 01:03:29,426 --> 01:03:31,773 ♪ 1243 01:03:31,877 --> 01:03:34,569 On his expedition, Cook brought the naturalist 1244 01:03:34,672 --> 01:03:36,951 Sydney Parkinson with him. 1245 01:03:37,054 --> 01:03:39,091 Parkinson did drawings 1246 01:03:39,194 --> 01:03:42,025 of plant life and vegetation, 1247 01:03:42,128 --> 01:03:46,753 but also did drawings of some of the heavily tattooed people 1248 01:03:46,857 --> 01:03:48,928 that he encountered with Cook. 1249 01:03:49,032 --> 01:03:51,586 ♪ 1250 01:03:51,689 --> 01:03:55,417 In 1769, Captain James Cook 1251 01:03:55,521 --> 01:03:57,454 met a heavily tattooed man 1252 01:03:57,557 --> 01:04:01,630 who was called Omai in Tahiti. 1253 01:04:01,734 --> 01:04:07,671 In 1773, Cook brought Omai to England 1254 01:04:07,774 --> 01:04:10,847 and introduced him to British society. 1255 01:04:10,950 --> 01:04:14,402 People who had never seen tattooing 1256 01:04:14,505 --> 01:04:18,820 of this magnitude were introduced to the art form 1257 01:04:18,924 --> 01:04:21,098 in a way that, for them, 1258 01:04:21,202 --> 01:04:24,930 was likely strange and exotic. 1259 01:04:26,517 --> 01:04:28,347 Prior to this time, 1260 01:04:28,450 --> 01:04:32,799 tattooed people were seen as savages. 1261 01:04:32,903 --> 01:04:35,595 But in the portrait of Sir Joshua Reynolds, 1262 01:04:35,699 --> 01:04:38,460 we see a man of great dignity. 1263 01:04:38,564 --> 01:04:50,369 ♪ 1264 01:04:50,472 --> 01:04:52,785 Tattooing, for me, is a-- 1265 01:04:52,889 --> 01:04:55,339 it's not just the art, it's the liberty 1266 01:04:55,443 --> 01:04:58,687 to be able to do as you feel, to be your own boss. 1267 01:04:58,791 --> 01:05:00,448 More importantly, it's the clients 1268 01:05:00,551 --> 01:05:02,726 and it's the stories that each of those clients 1269 01:05:02,829 --> 01:05:04,038 brings to the table. 1270 01:05:04,141 --> 01:05:06,833 Every day it's a new client, a new story, 1271 01:05:06,937 --> 01:05:08,387 and it's a new adventure. 1272 01:05:08,490 --> 01:05:12,529 ♪ 1273 01:05:12,632 --> 01:05:16,498 I first started coming to Paris about 15 years ago. 1274 01:05:16,602 --> 01:05:18,086 ♪ 1275 01:05:18,190 --> 01:05:20,468 And I fell in love with the architecture, 1276 01:05:20,571 --> 01:05:23,678 the art, and I started coming back and forth 1277 01:05:23,781 --> 01:05:25,024 from California, 1278 01:05:25,128 --> 01:05:28,062 and I got lucky and met my wonderful wife. 1279 01:05:28,165 --> 01:05:31,824 ♪ 1280 01:05:31,928 --> 01:05:35,034 I think that the younger generation has less fear 1281 01:05:35,138 --> 01:05:36,933 about expressing themselves. 1282 01:05:37,036 --> 01:05:40,591 Also their image is very important to them. 1283 01:05:40,695 --> 01:05:41,972 You can look at the, 1284 01:05:42,076 --> 01:05:43,629 in French we say "le réseaux sociaux," 1285 01:05:43,732 --> 01:05:46,218 the Instagram, Facebook. 1286 01:05:46,321 --> 01:05:49,324 Nowadays, when I do a tattoo, when I finish the tattoo, 1287 01:05:49,428 --> 01:05:51,948 not only do I take a picture for myself, 1288 01:05:52,051 --> 01:05:54,329 I take the photograph with the client's phone 1289 01:05:54,433 --> 01:05:55,882 so that they're able to use that. 1290 01:05:55,986 --> 01:05:58,057 And a lot of the time they're more interested 1291 01:05:58,161 --> 01:06:00,059 in looking at it on their phone 1292 01:06:00,163 --> 01:06:02,544 than they are looking at it on their own body. 1293 01:06:02,648 --> 01:06:04,857 ♪ 1294 01:06:04,961 --> 01:06:07,964 I manage Handmade Fine Tattoo Studio. 1295 01:06:08,067 --> 01:06:11,243 I do the social network for them. 1296 01:06:11,346 --> 01:06:15,868 I also work with tattoo artists when they need me to, 1297 01:06:15,972 --> 01:06:18,388 and I'm journalist for [unintelligible] 1298 01:06:18,491 --> 01:06:22,599 which is a media about tattoo artists. 1299 01:06:22,702 --> 01:06:27,707 I chose the name Stigma because of a famous sociologist 1300 01:06:27,811 --> 01:06:29,675 who made a book named Stigmata 1301 01:06:29,778 --> 01:06:34,059 about every stigma that can you have, like tattoo, 1302 01:06:34,162 --> 01:06:36,544 and you choose them. 1303 01:06:36,647 --> 01:06:38,442 ♪ 1304 01:06:38,546 --> 01:06:40,548 I like to work with found objects. 1305 01:06:40,651 --> 01:06:41,790 I go to the flea market. 1306 01:06:41,894 --> 01:06:44,793 I like to find old brass fixtures 1307 01:06:44,897 --> 01:06:48,383 and I take those and I recreate them into a tattoo machine. 1308 01:06:48,487 --> 01:06:50,454 ♪ 1309 01:06:50,558 --> 01:06:51,766 Yes, it is a tool, 1310 01:06:51,869 --> 01:06:53,595 but we can also take this tool 1311 01:06:53,699 --> 01:06:56,426 and turn it into an art object. 1312 01:06:56,529 --> 01:06:57,220 It has to work. 1313 01:06:57,323 --> 01:06:58,462 If it doesn't work anymore 1314 01:06:58,566 --> 01:07:00,844 it's just a beautiful paperweight. 1315 01:07:00,947 --> 01:07:02,708 But I do believe that it's something 1316 01:07:02,811 --> 01:07:05,676 that can be beautiful as well as functional. 1317 01:07:05,780 --> 01:07:09,922 ♪ 1318 01:07:10,026 --> 01:07:14,030 In the early 1990s, my wife, Kaleta Doolin, 1319 01:07:14,133 --> 01:07:16,549 an artist and feminist arts advocate, 1320 01:07:16,653 --> 01:07:19,690 became interested in utilizing tattoo imagery 1321 01:07:19,794 --> 01:07:22,279 in her sculpture. 1322 01:07:22,383 --> 01:07:26,180 When Ed Hardy saw these new pieces that Kaleta was making 1323 01:07:26,283 --> 01:07:28,803 he invited her to become part of an exhibition 1324 01:07:28,906 --> 01:07:30,839 that he was curating in Chicago 1325 01:07:30,943 --> 01:07:33,463 called Eye Tattooed America, 1326 01:07:33,566 --> 01:07:36,224 which involved artists from around the country 1327 01:07:36,328 --> 01:07:41,160 who were incorporating tattoo imagery in new forms. 1328 01:07:41,264 --> 01:07:51,308 ♪ 1329 01:07:51,308 --> 01:07:59,040 ♪ 1330 01:07:59,144 --> 01:08:02,699 By the early 1970s, the momentum for the recognition 1331 01:08:02,802 --> 01:08:04,459 of tattooing as an art form 1332 01:08:04,563 --> 01:08:07,083 was beginning to build. 1333 01:08:07,186 --> 01:08:10,603 Lyle Tuttle emerged as the first pop star tattoo artist, 1334 01:08:10,707 --> 01:08:14,159 appearing on the cover of Rolling Stone in 1970. 1335 01:08:14,262 --> 01:08:16,368 In 1979, Chuck Eldridge 1336 01:08:16,471 --> 01:08:19,129 started the Tattoo Archive in Berkeley. 1337 01:08:19,233 --> 01:08:23,271 In 1981, Marcia Tucker published a groundbreaking article 1338 01:08:23,375 --> 01:08:25,722 on tattooing for Artforum Magazine 1339 01:08:25,825 --> 01:08:29,208 in which she talked about tattooing and its relationship 1340 01:08:29,312 --> 01:08:31,969 to new directions in contemporary art. 1341 01:08:32,073 --> 01:08:35,766 Also in 1981, MTV launched 1342 01:08:35,870 --> 01:08:38,114 as a television channel. 1343 01:08:38,217 --> 01:08:40,599 For the first time, the general public 1344 01:08:40,702 --> 01:08:44,913 was able to see tattoos on rock stars, musicians, 1345 01:08:45,017 --> 01:08:50,126 and other icons of popular culture as never before. 1346 01:08:50,229 --> 01:08:53,991 In 1982, two important publications 1347 01:08:54,095 --> 01:08:56,201 on tattooing appeared. 1348 01:08:56,304 --> 01:08:59,480 One was Lyle Tuttle's Tattoo Historian 1349 01:08:59,583 --> 01:09:03,449 and the other was Ed Hardy's Tattootime. 1350 01:09:03,553 --> 01:09:07,522 ♪ 1351 01:09:07,626 --> 01:09:11,008 All of this builds to Tattoo Expo '82, 1352 01:09:11,112 --> 01:09:13,183 spearheaded by Ed Hardy 1353 01:09:13,287 --> 01:09:15,599 on the ocean liner the Queen Mary 1354 01:09:15,703 --> 01:09:18,671 docked at Long Beach, California. 1355 01:09:18,775 --> 01:09:21,364 ♪ 1356 01:09:21,467 --> 01:09:25,195 This was the most amazing gathering of tattooed people 1357 01:09:25,299 --> 01:09:28,474 and tattoo artists ever assembled. 1358 01:09:28,578 --> 01:09:31,615 Tattoo artists came from around the world. 1359 01:09:31,719 --> 01:09:34,653 It occurred in this amazing setting. 1360 01:09:34,756 --> 01:09:37,207 There were seminars, there were workshops, 1361 01:09:37,311 --> 01:09:39,589 there were film screenings on the lower deck 1362 01:09:39,692 --> 01:09:41,177 of the Queen Mary. 1363 01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,040 People were proud of their tattoos. 1364 01:09:43,144 --> 01:09:47,424 People were comparing the images that they had on their bodies. 1365 01:09:47,528 --> 01:09:49,288 They were competing with each other, 1366 01:09:49,392 --> 01:09:51,221 driving each other forward. 1367 01:09:51,325 --> 01:09:52,567 There was a whole energy 1368 01:09:52,671 --> 01:09:56,813 that was beginning to manifest itself. 1369 01:09:56,916 --> 01:09:59,160 It was a community of people 1370 01:09:59,264 --> 01:10:03,199 dedicated to a shared mission and vision. 1371 01:10:03,302 --> 01:10:07,582 Tattooing was emerging as a global phenomenon. 1372 01:10:07,686 --> 01:10:15,556 ♪ 1373 01:10:17,178 --> 01:10:19,732 Ed Hardy, in my opinion, 1374 01:10:19,836 --> 01:10:23,184 helps to bridge the gap between generations. 1375 01:10:23,288 --> 01:10:27,292 You have the older generation, which was a-- 1376 01:10:27,395 --> 01:10:29,328 I would say that tattooing at that time 1377 01:10:29,432 --> 01:10:31,606 was more of a craft, and Ed Hardy, 1378 01:10:31,710 --> 01:10:35,265 because of his background, was able to bring in 1379 01:10:35,369 --> 01:10:38,061 actual art into tattooing. 1380 01:10:38,164 --> 01:10:42,238 ♪ 1381 01:11:00,325 --> 01:11:03,604 Ed Hardy, for us, the younger generation, 1382 01:11:03,707 --> 01:11:06,262 he's a mythical figure in a sense. 1383 01:11:06,365 --> 01:11:08,919 He's able to take many different styles of art, 1384 01:11:09,023 --> 01:11:11,025 mix them together, and come up with something 1385 01:11:11,128 --> 01:11:13,269 that's entirely new. 1386 01:11:13,372 --> 01:11:17,480 As a tattoo artist, he was always ahead 1387 01:11:17,583 --> 01:11:20,310 of what was happening next, 1388 01:11:20,414 --> 01:11:24,107 and he continues to own a tattoo shop 1389 01:11:24,210 --> 01:11:25,764 in San Francisco. 1390 01:11:27,041 --> 01:11:29,319 He isn't tattooing himself. 1391 01:11:29,423 --> 01:11:32,288 He's now devoting himself to painting 1392 01:11:32,391 --> 01:11:34,773 and printmaking and other artwork. 1393 01:11:34,876 --> 01:11:36,533 He's done ceramics. 1394 01:11:36,637 --> 01:11:47,303 ♪ 1395 01:11:47,406 --> 01:11:49,097 When I started studying tattooing 1396 01:11:49,201 --> 01:11:53,930 I could never have imagined what it was going to become today. 1397 01:11:54,033 --> 01:11:57,382 How tattooing went from being one of the most forbidden 1398 01:11:57,485 --> 01:11:59,798 art forms in the Western world 1399 01:11:59,901 --> 01:12:01,627 to one of the most common. 1400 01:12:02,490 --> 01:12:04,423 Tattoos are everywhere. 1401 01:12:04,527 --> 01:12:06,460 We see them in the fine arts. 1402 01:12:06,563 --> 01:12:08,393 We see them in folk culture 1403 01:12:08,496 --> 01:12:10,118 and in popular culture. 1404 01:12:10,222 --> 01:12:14,191 We see them in advertising, television, and movies. 1405 01:12:14,295 --> 01:12:16,608 ♪ 1406 01:12:16,711 --> 01:12:19,473 And most importantly, we see the history of tattooing 1407 01:12:19,576 --> 01:12:21,440 being explored and represented 1408 01:12:21,544 --> 01:12:23,753 in gallery and museum exhibitions 1409 01:12:23,856 --> 01:12:26,859 in the United States and around the world. 1410 01:12:26,963 --> 01:12:34,039 ♪ 1411 01:12:34,142 --> 01:12:37,111 I think that tattooing is going to continue to evolve 1412 01:12:37,214 --> 01:12:38,768 and surprise us in many ways. 1413 01:12:38,871 --> 01:12:41,080 Things that we wouldn't even think of today 1414 01:12:41,184 --> 01:12:42,875 will end up being done. 1415 01:12:42,979 --> 01:12:44,083 Because of computers, 1416 01:12:44,187 --> 01:12:47,501 because of all the tools we have at hand 1417 01:12:47,604 --> 01:12:49,882 I think it's gonna go in a lot of different directions. 1418 01:12:49,986 --> 01:12:52,851 ♪ 1419 01:12:52,954 --> 01:12:54,370 I mean, the tattooing today, you know, 1420 01:12:54,473 --> 01:12:56,095 it's ahead of everybody probably around here. 1421 01:12:56,199 --> 01:12:58,443 Old timers and new people in the business alike, 1422 01:12:58,546 --> 01:13:00,583 we've all seen, you know, these changes come down 1423 01:13:00,686 --> 01:13:02,378 and there's more happening now. 1424 01:13:02,481 --> 01:13:03,862 A lot of what's happening maybe won't last. 1425 01:13:03,965 --> 01:13:05,691 Maybe a lot of it's kind of a flash in the pan 1426 01:13:05,795 --> 01:13:08,107 with techniques and designs and that, 1427 01:13:08,211 --> 01:13:10,247 but at least it's something new, there's some new blood in it. 1428 01:13:10,351 --> 01:13:11,594 I think there's more kinds of people 1429 01:13:11,697 --> 01:13:13,630 interested in tattooing now 1430 01:13:13,734 --> 01:13:15,908 than there ever were before, and I think that's good. 1431 01:13:16,012 --> 01:13:18,601 The more of 'em we can get out and the people that see, 1432 01:13:18,704 --> 01:13:21,535 I mean, things like this movie and magazine articles and that, 1433 01:13:21,638 --> 01:13:23,606 anything that's showing it in a positive light 1434 01:13:23,709 --> 01:13:25,987 and presenting us as people that are doing a craft 1435 01:13:26,091 --> 01:13:28,127 and not just showing it off as something completely 1436 01:13:28,231 --> 01:13:30,682 off the wall, well, people read that and they say, 1437 01:13:30,785 --> 01:13:32,580 "Well, I always have thought about getting a tattoo 1438 01:13:32,684 --> 01:13:34,410 and maybe it's all right now to do it." 1439 01:13:34,513 --> 01:13:35,756 They see that people are working cleaner 1440 01:13:35,859 --> 01:13:37,654 and there's more colors and that there's-- 1441 01:13:37,758 --> 01:13:39,380 you know, it just gets it out in the open more. 1442 01:13:39,484 --> 01:13:40,933 So, I think the renaissance is on. 1443 01:13:41,037 --> 01:13:43,004 I think there's more exciting tattooing being done now 1444 01:13:43,108 --> 01:13:44,868 than there ever was in the history of the world. 1445 01:13:44,972 --> 01:13:47,388 You know, it's really-- it's just exploding. 1446 01:13:48,907 --> 01:13:54,050 ♪ 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