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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:03,417 Crashed UFOs. 2 00:00:03,583 --> 00:00:05,333 David Grusch said that 3 00:00:05,542 --> 00:00:07,125 they were in possession 4 00:00:07,208 --> 00:00:11,000 of an intact extraterrestrial spacecraft. 5 00:00:11,167 --> 00:00:14,292 Recovered alien entities. 6 00:00:15,042 --> 00:00:17,208 Jesse Marcel knew not only that there was 7 00:00:17,375 --> 00:00:19,500 a crashed craft but also bodies. 8 00:00:19,667 --> 00:00:24,000 Secret programs to study otherworldly technology. 9 00:00:24,208 --> 00:00:28,208 Bob Lazar said not only are we reverse engineering UFOs, 10 00:00:28,375 --> 00:00:30,375 but that he worked on one. 11 00:00:30,542 --> 00:00:32,667 For more than six decades, 12 00:00:32,833 --> 00:00:34,500 incredible claims have been made 13 00:00:34,667 --> 00:00:38,083 about an extraterrestrial presence on Earth, 14 00:00:38,250 --> 00:00:41,542 and the government has gone to great lengths 15 00:00:41,708 --> 00:00:43,458 to discredit them. 16 00:00:43,625 --> 00:00:46,792 Are we nearing the day when whistleblowers 17 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,292 will finally be taken seriously 18 00:00:49,458 --> 00:00:52,792 and their accounts proven true? 19 00:00:52,917 --> 00:00:56,292 There's absolutely fear of being treated like you're crazy, 20 00:00:56,458 --> 00:00:59,792 but we have evidence this is not crazy. 21 00:00:59,958 --> 00:01:01,667 It's not made up. It's-it's real. 22 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,286 DvX3M www.opensubtitles.org 23 00:01:04,750 --> 00:01:06,417 There is a doorway 24 00:01:06,583 --> 00:01:09,042 in the universe. 25 00:01:09,208 --> 00:01:13,250 Beyond it is the promise of truth. 26 00:01:13,375 --> 00:01:16,083 It demands we question everything 27 00:01:16,208 --> 00:01:18,583 we have ever been taught. 28 00:01:18,750 --> 00:01:22,000 The evidence is all around us. 29 00:01:22,167 --> 00:01:25,958 The future is right before our eyes. 30 00:01:26,125 --> 00:01:28,917 We are not alone. 31 00:01:29,083 --> 00:01:32,167 We have never been alone. 32 00:01:45,208 --> 00:01:46,500 The subcommittee hearing 33 00:01:46,625 --> 00:01:49,083 on unidentified anomalous phenomena, 34 00:01:49,250 --> 00:01:51,333 or UAPs, will come to order. 35 00:01:51,500 --> 00:01:55,000 On Capitol Hill, the House Oversight Committee 36 00:01:55,208 --> 00:01:57,958 assembles for a landmark congressional hearing 37 00:01:58,083 --> 00:02:01,833 to record firsthand accounts of UAP activity. 38 00:02:02,042 --> 00:02:04,917 As we convene here, UAP are in our airspace, 39 00:02:05,125 --> 00:02:06,833 but they are grossly underreported. 40 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,667 These sightings are not rare or isolated, they are routine. 41 00:02:09,875 --> 00:02:13,417 During the proceedings, lawmakers listen to testimony 42 00:02:13,583 --> 00:02:16,083 from three notable whistleblowers: 43 00:02:16,208 --> 00:02:19,458 Retired Navy pilots Ryan Graves 44 00:02:19,583 --> 00:02:21,333 and David Fravor, 45 00:02:21,542 --> 00:02:24,125 and former Air Force intelligence officer 46 00:02:24,250 --> 00:02:25,542 David Grusch, 47 00:02:25,708 --> 00:02:29,167 who also served on the UAP Task Force. 48 00:02:29,333 --> 00:02:32,292 The military veterans have come forward 49 00:02:32,458 --> 00:02:36,333 to testify under oath about UAPs that they claim 50 00:02:36,500 --> 00:02:38,708 the government has been covering up. 51 00:02:38,875 --> 00:02:40,208 Parts of our government are aware 52 00:02:40,375 --> 00:02:42,250 of more about UAP than they let on, 53 00:02:42,417 --> 00:02:44,083 but excessive classification practices 54 00:02:44,250 --> 00:02:46,042 keep crucial information hidden. 55 00:02:46,208 --> 00:02:47,667 Millions of people are watching it, 56 00:02:47,875 --> 00:02:51,500 and they're hearing this beyond dramatic testimony 57 00:02:51,667 --> 00:02:53,667 that, for the first time, we're told 58 00:02:53,833 --> 00:02:55,125 what everybody knows to be true. 59 00:02:55,208 --> 00:02:57,417 The U.S. government has been hiding secrets 60 00:02:57,625 --> 00:03:00,083 about UFOs for over 70 years. 61 00:03:01,208 --> 00:03:05,125 Whistleblower David Grusch even suggests that the government 62 00:03:05,250 --> 00:03:08,500 may be in possession of alien technology. 63 00:03:08,667 --> 00:03:11,708 I was informed in the course of my official duties 64 00:03:11,875 --> 00:03:15,417 of a multi-decade, uh, UAP crash retrieval 65 00:03:15,583 --> 00:03:17,458 and reverse engineering program. 66 00:03:17,583 --> 00:03:21,458 For UFO researchers and lawmakers alike, 67 00:03:21,583 --> 00:03:23,875 the hearing marks a watershed moment, 68 00:03:24,083 --> 00:03:26,542 as many believe the Pentagon 69 00:03:26,708 --> 00:03:31,458 has been overly secretive about unidentified aerial phenomena. 70 00:03:31,625 --> 00:03:34,292 To have a UAP hearing on the House Oversight Committee 71 00:03:34,458 --> 00:03:36,375 was a first for the history books. 72 00:03:36,542 --> 00:03:38,167 There was a lot of information 73 00:03:38,292 --> 00:03:40,125 that was shared and alleged in that hearing, 74 00:03:40,208 --> 00:03:42,250 which made it one of the most, I think, 75 00:03:42,417 --> 00:03:44,708 uh, important hearings in the Oversight Committee's history. 76 00:03:44,875 --> 00:03:47,875 The hearing's explosive testimony 77 00:03:48,042 --> 00:03:51,000 made headlines across the world. 78 00:03:51,167 --> 00:03:53,250 And like many government whistleblowers, 79 00:03:53,458 --> 00:03:56,083 the individuals who sat before the committee 80 00:03:56,250 --> 00:03:59,500 came forward at great personal risk. 81 00:03:59,667 --> 00:04:02,625 From a layperson's perspective of what a whistleblower is, 82 00:04:02,750 --> 00:04:06,417 it is a person who has got inside information 83 00:04:06,542 --> 00:04:09,708 about wrongdoing who comes forward 84 00:04:09,875 --> 00:04:11,625 and at their own peril 85 00:04:11,792 --> 00:04:14,708 reveals this to investigative reporters 86 00:04:14,875 --> 00:04:16,750 or to government officials. 87 00:04:16,875 --> 00:04:20,583 I had asked about 12 people to testify, 88 00:04:20,792 --> 00:04:24,250 and we got down to those three because the others had... 89 00:04:24,417 --> 00:04:28,000 I think they'd been threatened or warned not to come on. 90 00:04:28,167 --> 00:04:31,208 And some of them told us that, in effect. 91 00:04:31,375 --> 00:04:33,292 If you're gonna be a whistleblower, 92 00:04:33,417 --> 00:04:36,167 you got to know that whatever deep dark secret 93 00:04:36,333 --> 00:04:38,583 exists in your life, it's gonna come out. 94 00:04:38,750 --> 00:04:41,042 These guys know that, when they come forward 95 00:04:41,250 --> 00:04:42,708 with something as sensitive as this, 96 00:04:42,875 --> 00:04:44,000 they're gonna pay a price. 97 00:04:46,167 --> 00:04:47,667 Is the government 98 00:04:47,875 --> 00:04:51,875 actively discouraging people from speaking out about UFOs? 99 00:04:53,042 --> 00:04:55,167 According to military insiders, 100 00:04:55,333 --> 00:04:58,708 the answer is a resounding yes. 101 00:04:58,875 --> 00:05:02,292 But the willingness of whistleblowers to come forward, 102 00:05:02,417 --> 00:05:03,417 despite the risk, 103 00:05:03,625 --> 00:05:06,125 has led to more open discussion 104 00:05:06,208 --> 00:05:09,542 about the UFO phenomenon than ever before. 105 00:05:09,708 --> 00:05:13,750 And the man who is most credited with sparking interest 106 00:05:13,917 --> 00:05:19,167 among lawmakers on Capitol Hill is whistleblower Luis Elizondo. 107 00:05:19,292 --> 00:05:23,833 Luis Elizondo, uh, was a full-time, uh, 108 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,375 military, uh, career guy, United States Army, 109 00:05:27,542 --> 00:05:31,208 and a very high-ranking counterintelligence officer. 110 00:05:31,375 --> 00:05:36,083 He was retained in 2007 111 00:05:36,208 --> 00:05:38,833 to a top-secret program, 112 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,083 which is the advanced weapons special access program, 113 00:05:42,250 --> 00:05:45,958 to investigate the UFO phenomenon. 114 00:05:46,125 --> 00:05:47,875 He became involved in setting up 115 00:05:48,042 --> 00:05:51,000 some other special, kind of less formal program 116 00:05:51,167 --> 00:05:53,250 inside the Pentagon that was called 117 00:05:53,417 --> 00:05:56,583 the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. 118 00:05:56,750 --> 00:05:59,167 For almost a decade, 119 00:05:59,375 --> 00:06:01,458 Elizondo studied UFOs 120 00:06:01,625 --> 00:06:03,875 and interviewed eyewitnesses for the Army. 121 00:06:04,042 --> 00:06:07,500 But according to Elizondo, the more he uncovered, 122 00:06:07,708 --> 00:06:11,250 the more his investigation was suppressed. 123 00:06:11,417 --> 00:06:12,417 They were making some progress 124 00:06:12,542 --> 00:06:13,917 in the military, in the Pentagon, 125 00:06:14,083 --> 00:06:18,167 but he's trying to get the attention of his higher-ups. 126 00:06:18,333 --> 00:06:19,875 "Hey, look, these cases are really important. 127 00:06:20,042 --> 00:06:23,500 "These encounters are dramatic and unexplained. 128 00:06:23,667 --> 00:06:25,667 We need to put some resources into studying this." 129 00:06:25,833 --> 00:06:27,833 And he got nowhere. He kept getting blocked. 130 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:32,083 So, he took a-a pretty courageous stance and resigned. 131 00:06:33,917 --> 00:06:36,625 In October 2017, 132 00:06:36,792 --> 00:06:39,542 Lue Elizondo resigned from AATIP 133 00:06:39,708 --> 00:06:42,667 after Pentagon officials refused to present 134 00:06:42,750 --> 00:06:46,708 his findings to Defense Secretary James Mattis. 135 00:06:46,875 --> 00:06:48,583 I-I've seen too much. 136 00:06:48,750 --> 00:06:50,000 I've talked to too many people. 137 00:06:50,208 --> 00:06:51,333 I have too many reports. 138 00:06:51,500 --> 00:06:52,542 I-I know it's real. 139 00:06:52,708 --> 00:06:54,167 I-I can't in good conscience 140 00:06:54,333 --> 00:06:56,083 just keep my head buried in the sand. 141 00:06:56,208 --> 00:06:59,167 I had to leave the very job that I love 142 00:06:59,375 --> 00:07:00,750 to get my point across. 143 00:07:02,125 --> 00:07:03,292 He gets frustrated, 144 00:07:03,375 --> 00:07:04,500 and he decides to do something about it. 145 00:07:04,708 --> 00:07:06,250 He becomes a whistleblower, 146 00:07:06,417 --> 00:07:07,917 not just a whistleblower, 147 00:07:08,042 --> 00:07:10,833 but perhaps the whistleblower of all time. 148 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,792 Just days after resigning, 149 00:07:13,917 --> 00:07:16,500 Elizondo shared his story with reporters 150 00:07:16,667 --> 00:07:18,125 from The New York Times. 151 00:07:19,333 --> 00:07:21,792 And on December 16, the paper published 152 00:07:21,917 --> 00:07:24,125 a front-page article that revealed 153 00:07:24,333 --> 00:07:27,167 the classified UFO program. 154 00:07:27,375 --> 00:07:30,458 In many ways, that New York Times story 155 00:07:30,542 --> 00:07:33,917 really changed ufology 156 00:07:34,042 --> 00:07:35,542 around the world, 157 00:07:35,708 --> 00:07:37,833 because when The New York Times got on board 158 00:07:38,042 --> 00:07:42,042 and is saying, "Yeah, there are UFOs out there," 159 00:07:42,208 --> 00:07:44,500 that opened a lot of people's eyes. 160 00:07:44,625 --> 00:07:48,333 Along with the article, The New York Times released 161 00:07:48,542 --> 00:07:51,667 three UFO videos taken by Navy pilots, 162 00:07:51,875 --> 00:07:55,542 including the now famous Tic Tac encounter. 163 00:07:55,750 --> 00:07:59,000 These videos captured the world's attention. 164 00:07:59,167 --> 00:08:02,583 And suddenly, it's like we're in a new world. 165 00:08:02,708 --> 00:08:07,083 We have these incredible videos shot by Navy pilots 166 00:08:07,292 --> 00:08:10,500 giving irrefutable evidence that there is a technology 167 00:08:10,667 --> 00:08:14,292 out there that is beyond anything our near peers have. 168 00:08:14,458 --> 00:08:16,083 Look at it fly! 169 00:08:16,208 --> 00:08:17,750 Lue Elizondo was the core. 170 00:08:17,917 --> 00:08:20,042 I mean, without him as the whistleblower, 171 00:08:20,208 --> 00:08:23,250 as the main impetus for it, that story would never have happened. 172 00:08:23,417 --> 00:08:27,042 The videos, though, is what galvanized public attention. 173 00:08:28,208 --> 00:08:31,667 Almost immediately after Elizondo went public, 174 00:08:31,833 --> 00:08:33,583 elements within the government 175 00:08:33,750 --> 00:08:36,333 actively sought to discredit him. 176 00:08:36,542 --> 00:08:39,250 Lue Elizondo went through a tremendous amount 177 00:08:39,417 --> 00:08:42,917 of harassment from senior Pentagon officials, 178 00:08:43,083 --> 00:08:46,083 former supervisors of his and the like. 179 00:08:46,250 --> 00:08:47,792 Um, you had a-a statement 180 00:08:47,958 --> 00:08:50,708 in 2019 that came from the Pentagon spokesperson, 181 00:08:50,875 --> 00:08:53,375 who stated that Luis Elizondo 182 00:08:53,542 --> 00:08:56,333 had no official office with this office at AATIP, 183 00:08:56,458 --> 00:08:59,375 in the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. 184 00:08:59,542 --> 00:09:01,708 Lue Elizondo knew he'd pay a price, 185 00:09:01,917 --> 00:09:03,542 but it was almost immediate. 186 00:09:03,708 --> 00:09:06,375 The Pentagon undercut his credibility. 187 00:09:06,542 --> 00:09:08,250 But he's a courageous individual, 188 00:09:08,417 --> 00:09:11,125 and he stuck to his guns, and he changed the world. 189 00:09:12,875 --> 00:09:17,458 From Lue Elizondo's 2017 AATIP revelations 190 00:09:17,667 --> 00:09:21,583 to the 2023 Congressional UAP hearing, 191 00:09:21,750 --> 00:09:24,625 whistleblowers today are making their voices heard 192 00:09:24,792 --> 00:09:27,000 like never before. 193 00:09:27,125 --> 00:09:31,167 But they are just the latest in a long line of whistleblowers 194 00:09:31,333 --> 00:09:35,625 who've been coming forward to tell their stories for decades. 195 00:09:35,750 --> 00:09:38,333 And the most controversial of their claims-- 196 00:09:38,458 --> 00:09:42,458 that the U.S. military is in possession of alien technology-- 197 00:09:42,625 --> 00:09:45,500 can be traced all the way back to 1947 198 00:09:45,667 --> 00:09:48,542 and an Army Air Force Major 199 00:09:48,708 --> 00:09:52,917 who was at the heart of the Roswell incident. 200 00:09:57,958 --> 00:09:59,292 Roswell, New Mexico. 201 00:09:59,458 --> 00:10:03,042 July 1947. 202 00:10:03,208 --> 00:10:07,000 An unidentified object is witnessed streaking 203 00:10:07,208 --> 00:10:09,500 across the night sky, 204 00:10:09,667 --> 00:10:12,583 then crashes in the desert north of town 205 00:10:12,750 --> 00:10:15,250 near the Roswell Army Air Field. 206 00:10:16,583 --> 00:10:18,917 Rancher Mac Brazel hears the impact 207 00:10:19,125 --> 00:10:22,333 and investigates the next morning. 208 00:10:23,292 --> 00:10:27,000 Mac Brazel is the first to find the debris field, 209 00:10:27,125 --> 00:10:29,458 and it's an impressive debris field. 210 00:10:29,625 --> 00:10:32,542 Pieces, objects and things everywhere. 211 00:10:32,708 --> 00:10:35,708 And Brazel reports it to the local Roswell sheriff, 212 00:10:35,875 --> 00:10:38,792 a man named George Wilcox. 213 00:10:38,958 --> 00:10:42,583 And Wilcox, uh, sends some deputies out there, 214 00:10:42,792 --> 00:10:45,333 and, uh, the case just gets crazier from there. 215 00:10:46,375 --> 00:10:51,917 Roswell Army Air Field sends people out to investigate it. 216 00:10:52,958 --> 00:10:55,625 The next thing you know, the press release goes out. 217 00:10:55,792 --> 00:10:58,625 "Army captures flying disc." 218 00:10:59,792 --> 00:11:02,167 Shortly after the U.S. Air Force said, 219 00:11:02,375 --> 00:11:05,125 "We've recovered a flying disc," they reversed their position 220 00:11:05,292 --> 00:11:07,167 and said it was just a weather balloon. 221 00:11:07,292 --> 00:11:10,250 The Roswell incident has become 222 00:11:10,417 --> 00:11:12,125 the most notorious alleged cover-up 223 00:11:12,292 --> 00:11:16,250 of a UFO crash and retrieval in U.S. history. 224 00:11:17,708 --> 00:11:20,833 And at the center of it all... 225 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,125 is whistleblower Jesse Marcel. 226 00:11:24,292 --> 00:11:27,167 My grandfather, Major Jesse Marcel, 227 00:11:27,333 --> 00:11:31,000 back in July of 1947, 228 00:11:31,208 --> 00:11:34,708 was the head of intelligence for the 509th bombing group. 229 00:11:34,875 --> 00:11:37,625 That was heavily involved in our atomic program 230 00:11:37,792 --> 00:11:39,333 to end the second World War 231 00:11:39,458 --> 00:11:41,000 and pretty well versed 232 00:11:41,208 --> 00:11:43,083 in the latest technologies, aircraft, 233 00:11:43,292 --> 00:11:44,792 what have you at the time. 234 00:11:44,917 --> 00:11:49,083 Major Jesse Marcel was really the lead investigator 235 00:11:49,208 --> 00:11:51,750 into what has become known as the "Roswell incident." 236 00:11:53,042 --> 00:11:56,875 On July 7, Major Marcel was dispatched 237 00:11:57,042 --> 00:12:01,667 from Roswell Army Air Field to examine the mysterious debris. 238 00:12:03,375 --> 00:12:04,917 According to his grandson, 239 00:12:05,042 --> 00:12:07,542 Marcel was so astounded by what he saw 240 00:12:07,750 --> 00:12:09,833 that he took the debris home with him. 241 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,792 He... 242 00:12:11,958 --> 00:12:13,833 went and woke up his son, my father, 243 00:12:13,958 --> 00:12:15,292 who was about 12 years old at the time, 244 00:12:15,458 --> 00:12:17,833 and his wife Viaud, and said, 245 00:12:17,958 --> 00:12:19,375 "You guys got to come take a look at this." 246 00:12:20,375 --> 00:12:22,583 He couldn't make heads or tails or any sense 247 00:12:22,750 --> 00:12:24,333 out of what he was looking at. 248 00:12:24,500 --> 00:12:26,458 Even stranger, 249 00:12:26,625 --> 00:12:28,167 while examining the wreckage, 250 00:12:28,292 --> 00:12:32,292 Marcel's family discovered several mysterious markings. 251 00:12:32,375 --> 00:12:33,917 One thing they noticed was 252 00:12:34,083 --> 00:12:35,792 it almost had no weight to it. 253 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,958 And my father picked up what was a beam 254 00:12:39,125 --> 00:12:40,750 about 11, 12 inches long. 255 00:12:40,958 --> 00:12:42,917 And all of a sudden, these symbols appeared. 256 00:12:43,083 --> 00:12:45,333 And he really came to the idea 257 00:12:45,542 --> 00:12:49,208 that, whatever this was, it was not made by human hands. 258 00:12:50,208 --> 00:12:53,042 The next morning, Major Marcel was summoned 259 00:12:53,208 --> 00:12:56,667 to the Fort Worth Army Air Field in Texas. 260 00:12:56,833 --> 00:12:59,333 There, he was given strict orders 261 00:12:59,542 --> 00:13:03,000 not to reveal the truth about the Roswell crash, 262 00:13:03,208 --> 00:13:06,500 and for three decades, he didn't. 263 00:13:06,667 --> 00:13:10,417 But in February of 1978, 264 00:13:10,542 --> 00:13:13,333 Marcel finally broke his silence. 265 00:13:13,458 --> 00:13:16,167 My grandfather was a ham radio operator, 266 00:13:16,333 --> 00:13:17,583 loved to talk. 267 00:13:17,708 --> 00:13:19,500 He was talking on ham radio, 268 00:13:19,708 --> 00:13:22,167 and somebody recognized his name as being part of the air base. 269 00:13:22,375 --> 00:13:25,333 And he talked a little bit about Roswell. 270 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:27,708 And soon enough, 271 00:13:27,875 --> 00:13:30,042 a gentleman by the name of Stanton Friedman heard of it, 272 00:13:30,208 --> 00:13:32,792 and interviewed my grandfather about it. 273 00:13:32,958 --> 00:13:34,500 And that was really when it broke out. 274 00:13:34,708 --> 00:13:36,833 Stanton Friedman was 275 00:13:36,958 --> 00:13:39,167 an American-Canadian nuclear physicist 276 00:13:39,375 --> 00:13:42,083 who began scientifically investigating UFOs 277 00:13:42,292 --> 00:13:44,750 in the 1960s, due to his curiosity 278 00:13:44,875 --> 00:13:47,833 about what happened at Roswell. 279 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,333 When he learned that Jesse Marcel was ready 280 00:13:51,500 --> 00:13:53,917 to reveal the truth, he went to visit him 281 00:13:54,125 --> 00:13:57,000 at his home in Southern Louisiana. 282 00:13:58,042 --> 00:14:01,500 Major Marcel told me-- I was the first to talk to him-- 283 00:14:01,708 --> 00:14:03,083 that what they were trying 284 00:14:03,250 --> 00:14:05,792 to keep under wraps was actual wreckage 285 00:14:05,958 --> 00:14:07,958 of a flying saucer. 286 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,083 General Roger Ramey, head of the Eighth Air Force, 287 00:14:11,250 --> 00:14:13,375 covered it up very straightforwardly. 288 00:14:13,583 --> 00:14:16,958 Roger Ramey came to Roswell and said, 289 00:14:17,042 --> 00:14:20,958 "Bring all the UFO material to Fort Worth, 290 00:14:21,083 --> 00:14:24,167 Eighth Air Force headquarters, and we'll disclose the truth." 291 00:14:24,375 --> 00:14:28,542 But Major Jesse Marcel goes to Fort Worth, 292 00:14:28,708 --> 00:14:30,542 and they bring out a weather balloon. 293 00:14:30,708 --> 00:14:33,375 And they make Jesse Marcel, 294 00:14:33,500 --> 00:14:37,667 a radar-trained intelligence officer, 295 00:14:37,792 --> 00:14:40,750 stand in front of a weather balloon 296 00:14:40,958 --> 00:14:43,167 and admit that he was confused. 297 00:14:46,167 --> 00:14:48,667 Everybody was familiar with weather balloons. 298 00:14:48,875 --> 00:14:50,833 The notion that Jesse Marcel, 299 00:14:50,958 --> 00:14:53,667 the intelligence officer for the 509th, 300 00:14:53,875 --> 00:14:58,000 couldn't recognize a weather balloon is ridiculous. 301 00:14:59,042 --> 00:15:00,875 According to Friedman, 302 00:15:01,042 --> 00:15:03,000 in order to ensure that the truth 303 00:15:03,167 --> 00:15:05,958 about Roswell remained hidden from the public, 304 00:15:06,125 --> 00:15:08,750 the military not only had 305 00:15:08,875 --> 00:15:11,250 to stage the famous weather balloon photo, 306 00:15:11,375 --> 00:15:14,875 but also make sure that Marcel and others 307 00:15:15,042 --> 00:15:18,000 who knew the real story toed the line. 308 00:15:19,875 --> 00:15:23,625 You agree that you will not reveal anything 309 00:15:23,792 --> 00:15:26,125 you've learned that was classified 310 00:15:26,208 --> 00:15:28,250 to anybody without a need-to-know 311 00:15:28,375 --> 00:15:30,083 and an appropriate security clearance. 312 00:15:30,250 --> 00:15:32,583 There are darn few people who, 313 00:15:32,750 --> 00:15:36,250 after the war, incidentally, broke their security oaths. 314 00:15:36,417 --> 00:15:39,000 My grandfather broke his bond of secrecy. 315 00:15:39,125 --> 00:15:42,500 I think that, in some small part, 316 00:15:42,667 --> 00:15:45,042 he was looking for a little bit of, you know, like, 317 00:15:45,208 --> 00:15:47,292 "Hey, you guys, you know, there is something to this." 318 00:15:48,917 --> 00:15:51,042 Despite his excitement 319 00:15:51,250 --> 00:15:53,958 over what he had found in the debris field, 320 00:15:54,167 --> 00:15:56,667 Marcel maintained his silence 321 00:15:56,792 --> 00:15:59,042 until he was 70 years old. 322 00:15:59,208 --> 00:16:02,083 People who are involved in keeping secrets, 323 00:16:02,250 --> 00:16:05,875 it poisons you, and you feel this great release 324 00:16:06,042 --> 00:16:09,000 when you finally get it out 325 00:16:09,208 --> 00:16:10,917 and say, "Yeah, you know, it's all true." 326 00:16:11,042 --> 00:16:13,167 I've spoken to military witnesses 327 00:16:13,375 --> 00:16:15,958 who sat on stories for 50 years 328 00:16:16,083 --> 00:16:20,500 out of loyalty, out of a belief that... 329 00:16:20,708 --> 00:16:23,125 that the law constrained them. 330 00:16:23,250 --> 00:16:26,375 But Marcel, 30 years on, he was like, 331 00:16:26,542 --> 00:16:29,000 "Okay, that's enough of the cover story. 332 00:16:29,167 --> 00:16:31,500 Here's what really happened." 333 00:16:33,417 --> 00:16:37,333 After Marcel broke his silence in 1978, 334 00:16:37,542 --> 00:16:39,375 it caused a sensation, 335 00:16:39,542 --> 00:16:42,750 and Friedman began referring to the Roswell coverup 336 00:16:42,875 --> 00:16:45,167 as a "cosmic Watergate." 337 00:16:45,333 --> 00:16:49,583 Before 1978, the Roswell crash 338 00:16:49,750 --> 00:16:51,458 was pretty much unheard of. 339 00:16:51,625 --> 00:16:53,250 Only in the hardcore groups 340 00:16:53,417 --> 00:16:56,500 of UFO people would you know about Roswell. 341 00:16:56,667 --> 00:16:59,333 Jesse Marcel blew open the door 342 00:16:59,542 --> 00:17:02,833 to the most famous UFO crash story 343 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,833 that you can think of today. 344 00:17:04,958 --> 00:17:08,708 Could it be that Jesse Marcel is just one 345 00:17:08,875 --> 00:17:12,083 of dozens, or perhaps even hundreds 346 00:17:12,250 --> 00:17:15,833 of military personnel who have witnessed unexplainable events 347 00:17:16,042 --> 00:17:18,667 that they are forbidden to reveal? 348 00:17:19,792 --> 00:17:21,833 UFO researchers suggest 349 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,250 the Roswell incident was the beginning 350 00:17:24,417 --> 00:17:27,083 of a decades-long government coverup. 351 00:17:27,250 --> 00:17:31,167 One that involved an elaborate disinformation campaign 352 00:17:31,333 --> 00:17:34,833 disguised as an official UFO investigation 353 00:17:34,958 --> 00:17:37,625 called "Project Blue Book." 354 00:17:43,042 --> 00:17:44,250 The famous Roswell incident 355 00:17:44,375 --> 00:17:47,667 was just one of many high-profile encounters 356 00:17:47,875 --> 00:17:50,083 with unidentified flying objects 357 00:17:50,250 --> 00:17:53,583 that occurred during the late 1940s. 358 00:17:54,708 --> 00:17:56,667 In June 1947, 359 00:17:56,833 --> 00:17:58,500 pilot Kenneth Arnold 360 00:17:58,667 --> 00:18:01,750 reported seeing nine silver disc-shaped objects 361 00:18:01,917 --> 00:18:03,583 flying near Mount Rainier. 362 00:18:04,708 --> 00:18:07,000 Less than one month later, 363 00:18:07,167 --> 00:18:09,583 sailor Harold Dahl reported 364 00:18:09,708 --> 00:18:11,625 that a flying disc dropped molten slag 365 00:18:11,792 --> 00:18:15,667 onto his boat near Maury Island, Washington. 366 00:18:15,833 --> 00:18:18,750 And in January 1948, 367 00:18:18,917 --> 00:18:23,792 Army Captain Thomas Mantell tragically died in a plane crash 368 00:18:23,958 --> 00:18:27,167 while chasing a UFO over Western Ohio. 369 00:18:29,375 --> 00:18:32,000 These and other similar events prompted the government 370 00:18:32,208 --> 00:18:36,417 to launch Project Blue Book in 1952. 371 00:18:36,542 --> 00:18:38,958 Project Blue Book was 372 00:18:39,125 --> 00:18:40,500 the U.S. Air Force 373 00:18:40,667 --> 00:18:43,958 research and investigation program into UFOs. 374 00:18:44,083 --> 00:18:46,958 This was a project that took some years, 375 00:18:47,167 --> 00:18:51,125 but by the mid-60s, there's 20,000 cases there. 376 00:18:51,250 --> 00:18:55,000 So, this was one of the most significant investigations 377 00:18:55,167 --> 00:18:57,500 of UFOs of its time. 378 00:18:58,708 --> 00:19:01,417 Project Blue Book would last 18 years, 379 00:19:01,583 --> 00:19:04,292 and involve dozens of investigators. 380 00:19:04,458 --> 00:19:09,083 Chief among them were Air Force Captain Edward J. Ruppelt, 381 00:19:09,250 --> 00:19:12,875 astronomer Jacques Vallรฉe, 382 00:19:13,042 --> 00:19:14,875 and Project Blue Book's scientific advisor, 383 00:19:15,042 --> 00:19:17,875 Dr. J. Allen Hynek. 384 00:19:18,042 --> 00:19:20,833 According to Dr. Hynek's son Paul, 385 00:19:21,042 --> 00:19:25,208 the Air Force made its agenda clear right from the start. 386 00:19:26,500 --> 00:19:28,292 The Air Force came calling to my father 387 00:19:28,458 --> 00:19:31,875 in the late '40s, asking him 388 00:19:32,083 --> 00:19:34,167 to tamp down reports 389 00:19:34,292 --> 00:19:35,500 of flying saucers. 390 00:19:35,708 --> 00:19:38,833 My father was very useful to Project Blue Book 391 00:19:39,042 --> 00:19:41,708 because he had the academic credibility 392 00:19:41,875 --> 00:19:44,750 to get people to believe what he's saying. 393 00:19:45,792 --> 00:19:48,917 J. Allen Hynek was an astronomy professor, 394 00:19:49,083 --> 00:19:51,833 brought on by the U.S. Air Force. 395 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,208 And to start off with, 396 00:19:53,375 --> 00:19:55,583 he-he absolutely took the party line. 397 00:19:56,625 --> 00:19:58,958 But while the purpose of Project Blue Book 398 00:19:59,125 --> 00:20:01,292 was to discredit UFOs, 399 00:20:01,458 --> 00:20:03,417 over the course of his tenure, 400 00:20:03,542 --> 00:20:06,625 Hynek grew to question the project's mission. 401 00:20:06,708 --> 00:20:10,958 My father was muzzled by the Air Force 402 00:20:11,167 --> 00:20:14,542 in terms of what they would investigate, 403 00:20:14,708 --> 00:20:16,583 how serious they would investigate it, 404 00:20:16,750 --> 00:20:18,792 and what he was allowed to disclose. 405 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,167 He had a front row center seat 406 00:20:21,292 --> 00:20:23,500 to the most confidential aspects 407 00:20:23,708 --> 00:20:26,083 of the early days of the UFO phenomena. 408 00:20:26,250 --> 00:20:29,083 And my father went from a diehard skeptic 409 00:20:29,208 --> 00:20:30,875 to an acceptor 410 00:20:31,042 --> 00:20:33,333 of the accumulated weight of the data. 411 00:20:36,167 --> 00:20:39,833 Hynek's findings were dismissed by his superiors, 412 00:20:40,042 --> 00:20:44,208 who demanded that he continue to debunk UFO reports. 413 00:20:45,208 --> 00:20:48,625 And when Project Blue Book ended in 1969, 414 00:20:48,792 --> 00:20:50,750 Hynek went public. 415 00:20:51,708 --> 00:20:53,958 He was really the main person 416 00:20:54,167 --> 00:20:55,667 to draw attention to the fact 417 00:20:55,833 --> 00:21:00,417 that Project Blue Book was not set out to find the truth 418 00:21:00,583 --> 00:21:02,625 but to control the narrative. 419 00:21:03,667 --> 00:21:07,500 J. Allen Hynek was one of the most outspoken voices 420 00:21:07,708 --> 00:21:11,750 about the government efforts to suppress evidence of UFOs. 421 00:21:12,750 --> 00:21:16,833 And some researchers believe he would have spoken out sooner, 422 00:21:16,958 --> 00:21:18,583 if it wasn't for a tragic event 423 00:21:18,750 --> 00:21:21,000 that happened to one of his colleagues-- 424 00:21:21,208 --> 00:21:24,167 Air Force Captain Edward Ruppelt. 425 00:21:24,375 --> 00:21:28,583 Edward Ruppelt was the first director of Project Blue Book. 426 00:21:28,750 --> 00:21:29,792 During his tenure, 427 00:21:29,958 --> 00:21:31,667 which lasted close to two years, 428 00:21:31,792 --> 00:21:35,292 Ruppelt was in charge of all of the best information 429 00:21:35,458 --> 00:21:37,417 that the United States Air Force was acquiring 430 00:21:37,542 --> 00:21:40,417 at that time about-- as he began calling them-- UFOs. 431 00:21:40,583 --> 00:21:42,292 And Ruppelt actually gave us that term, 432 00:21:42,458 --> 00:21:44,042 "unidentified flying object." 433 00:21:44,208 --> 00:21:48,667 Project Blue Book was ostensibly a military project 434 00:21:48,875 --> 00:21:50,375 to debunk UFOs, 435 00:21:50,542 --> 00:21:53,500 but Ruppelt wasn't going along with that. 436 00:21:53,708 --> 00:21:56,458 Ruppelt was saying, "Oh, no, there's something going on here. 437 00:21:56,583 --> 00:21:58,417 We need to look at this." 438 00:21:59,792 --> 00:22:02,875 Captain Ruppelt frequently found himself at odds 439 00:22:03,042 --> 00:22:04,500 with his superiors. 440 00:22:04,667 --> 00:22:08,083 Like when he tried to investigate a major UFO incident 441 00:22:08,250 --> 00:22:11,375 that occurred right over the nation's capital. 442 00:22:12,375 --> 00:22:16,583 On Saturday, July 19, 1952, 443 00:22:16,708 --> 00:22:18,542 at 11:40 p.m., 444 00:22:18,708 --> 00:22:22,208 air traffic controllers at Washington National Airport 445 00:22:22,375 --> 00:22:23,583 and Andrews Air Force Base 446 00:22:23,792 --> 00:22:27,208 detected seven unidentified flying objects 447 00:22:27,375 --> 00:22:29,208 on their radar screens. 448 00:22:29,333 --> 00:22:32,208 The UFO sightings caused a sensation, 449 00:22:32,375 --> 00:22:34,417 and, incredibly, 450 00:22:34,583 --> 00:22:37,167 more unidentified objects were detected again 451 00:22:37,375 --> 00:22:39,333 the following weekend. 452 00:22:39,542 --> 00:22:41,708 For two weeks, Washington, D.C., 453 00:22:41,875 --> 00:22:44,750 is buzzed by a fleet of seven UFOs. 454 00:22:44,875 --> 00:22:46,958 They literally fly over the White House, 455 00:22:47,125 --> 00:22:49,750 over the Capitol, Washington National Airport. 456 00:22:49,875 --> 00:22:52,542 Ruppelt was in Washington while this is happening, 457 00:22:52,667 --> 00:22:54,208 and he wanted to investigate. 458 00:22:54,375 --> 00:22:56,250 And his frustration begins, 459 00:22:56,417 --> 00:22:58,375 because he's told he can't have a staff car 460 00:22:58,542 --> 00:22:59,500 because he's not a general. 461 00:22:59,583 --> 00:23:00,708 If he wants to investigate it, 462 00:23:00,875 --> 00:23:02,458 go get himself a taxi. 463 00:23:03,500 --> 00:23:05,250 Frustrated by what he saw 464 00:23:05,417 --> 00:23:08,875 as a government effort to debunk all UFOs, 465 00:23:09,042 --> 00:23:14,042 in 1953, Ruppelt resigned from Project Blue Book. 466 00:23:14,208 --> 00:23:18,167 And a few years later, he made his findings public. 467 00:23:18,375 --> 00:23:21,833 In 1956, Ruppelt publishes a book 468 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,333 about his experience as the director of Project Blue Book, 469 00:23:24,542 --> 00:23:26,792 The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects. 470 00:23:26,875 --> 00:23:28,833 This book is incredibly important, 471 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,542 because this is the first time that the public gets a glimpse 472 00:23:32,708 --> 00:23:35,042 of the inner workings of the government's investigations 473 00:23:35,250 --> 00:23:37,500 into UFOs from an insider. 474 00:23:37,583 --> 00:23:39,500 One of the things 475 00:23:39,667 --> 00:23:42,708 Ruppelt pointed out in his book that was really interesting 476 00:23:42,875 --> 00:23:45,583 and important was to show that, within the military, 477 00:23:45,708 --> 00:23:47,417 particularly the Air Force, 478 00:23:47,542 --> 00:23:50,625 many of them took UFOs quite seriously and believed 479 00:23:50,833 --> 00:23:52,583 that this was interplanetary. 480 00:23:52,792 --> 00:23:54,750 That was the word they were using back then. 481 00:23:55,792 --> 00:23:59,458 Ruppelt's book captivated readers across the country. 482 00:23:59,625 --> 00:24:03,000 Its popularity led to an updated version being published 483 00:24:03,167 --> 00:24:04,333 four years later. 484 00:24:04,542 --> 00:24:07,708 But, curiously, in the new printing, 485 00:24:07,875 --> 00:24:12,333 Ruppelt completely reversed his position on the UFO phenomenon. 486 00:24:12,500 --> 00:24:14,417 In 1960, 487 00:24:14,583 --> 00:24:18,583 Ruppelt had a second edition of his book, 488 00:24:18,750 --> 00:24:21,042 and he said that UFOs were a hoax, 489 00:24:21,208 --> 00:24:23,125 that they did not exist. 490 00:24:24,167 --> 00:24:26,333 The strange thing is, is that he dies 491 00:24:26,542 --> 00:24:27,875 within months of the release of the book. 492 00:24:28,042 --> 00:24:30,792 He's a 37-year-old man who dies of a heart attack. 493 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,500 And now, on top of this, 494 00:24:32,708 --> 00:24:35,167 the UFO community is wondering what happened to him. 495 00:24:35,292 --> 00:24:37,542 Is there a conspiracy here? 496 00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:40,708 It is still one of the most enduring mysteries 497 00:24:40,875 --> 00:24:45,542 of when a UFO investigator essentially left us 498 00:24:45,708 --> 00:24:46,958 before their time. 499 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,792 Is it possible that Captain Edward Ruppelt 500 00:24:50,958 --> 00:24:54,792 paid the ultimate price for exposing a government cover-up 501 00:24:54,875 --> 00:24:56,667 regarding UFOs? 502 00:24:56,792 --> 00:24:59,375 Perhaps further clues can be found 503 00:24:59,542 --> 00:25:01,333 in the statements of another whistleblower 504 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:04,292 who claimed to have reverse engineered 505 00:25:04,458 --> 00:25:06,875 an alien spacecraft. 506 00:25:13,042 --> 00:25:16,833 Throughout the 1950s, '60s and '70s, 507 00:25:17,042 --> 00:25:20,875 dozens of whistleblowers came forward with incredible claims 508 00:25:21,042 --> 00:25:25,125 about the government's knowledge of extraterrestrial visitation. 509 00:25:26,292 --> 00:25:28,667 But for many UFO researchers, 510 00:25:28,875 --> 00:25:30,542 the most important revelations of all 511 00:25:30,708 --> 00:25:33,250 came in the late 1980s, 512 00:25:33,458 --> 00:25:37,708 from a physicist named Bob Lazar. 513 00:25:37,875 --> 00:25:42,000 The first person Lazar told his story to was his close friend, 514 00:25:42,167 --> 00:25:45,583 retired CIA pilot John Lear. 515 00:25:46,583 --> 00:25:48,792 Bob Lazar used to work at Los Alamos. 516 00:25:49,792 --> 00:25:52,500 Had the highest clearance that you can get there. 517 00:25:52,667 --> 00:25:55,625 And he worked for 518 00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:58,792 three or four months up there at Area 51. 519 00:25:59,542 --> 00:26:02,208 While working at the top-secret Air Force facility 520 00:26:02,375 --> 00:26:05,333 known as Area 51, 521 00:26:05,458 --> 00:26:07,417 Lazar revealed to his friend 522 00:26:07,625 --> 00:26:09,917 that a remarkable object was hidden deep 523 00:26:10,083 --> 00:26:13,208 within the secret military compound. 524 00:26:13,375 --> 00:26:16,667 Was December 6 of '88. 525 00:26:16,792 --> 00:26:19,458 He comes in, he sits down there at, uh, my desk 526 00:26:19,625 --> 00:26:22,000 and he said, "I saw a disc today." 527 00:26:22,167 --> 00:26:23,500 And I said, "What?" 528 00:26:23,625 --> 00:26:25,083 He said, "I saw a disc." 529 00:26:26,083 --> 00:26:28,125 And I said, "You saw a flying saucer?" 530 00:26:28,292 --> 00:26:30,125 He said, "Yeah. Sure did. 531 00:26:30,292 --> 00:26:31,500 "I saw 'em. I touched 'em. 532 00:26:31,667 --> 00:26:33,458 They are real." 533 00:26:33,625 --> 00:26:34,708 And I said, "Well, there's no reason 534 00:26:34,917 --> 00:26:36,583 "you should be here right now, 535 00:26:36,750 --> 00:26:39,125 "because they're going to have followed you. 536 00:26:39,208 --> 00:26:41,167 They know exactly what you're doing." 537 00:26:42,333 --> 00:26:43,708 Four months later, 538 00:26:43,875 --> 00:26:46,000 Lear learned that his concerns about Lazar 539 00:26:46,125 --> 00:26:49,792 being watched by the military were well-founded. 540 00:26:49,917 --> 00:26:52,417 Lazar revealed that Air Force officers 541 00:26:52,625 --> 00:26:54,500 at Area 51 had approached him 542 00:26:54,667 --> 00:26:57,125 to let him know that they had been keeping track 543 00:26:57,292 --> 00:27:00,833 of not only him but also his wife. 544 00:27:01,042 --> 00:27:02,458 They had some private information 545 00:27:02,583 --> 00:27:04,708 that his wife was having an affair. 546 00:27:05,708 --> 00:27:07,750 Said, "We can't have anybody working with us 547 00:27:07,917 --> 00:27:09,833 "who has, uh, family problems like that. 548 00:27:10,042 --> 00:27:12,500 "So we need to suspend your work up there 549 00:27:12,708 --> 00:27:15,708 until, uh, you get things sorted out." 550 00:27:17,375 --> 00:27:21,083 And that was April 7 of '89. 551 00:27:21,208 --> 00:27:24,250 And, uh, that's when he decided to go public. 552 00:27:24,375 --> 00:27:26,083 With Bob's permission, 553 00:27:26,250 --> 00:27:28,667 Lear shared his story with a reporter he knew 554 00:27:28,833 --> 00:27:31,167 at the local KLAS-TV station, 555 00:27:31,333 --> 00:27:32,792 George Knapp. 556 00:27:33,625 --> 00:27:36,250 On May 15, Knapp sat down with Lazar 557 00:27:36,458 --> 00:27:38,917 for a live interview. 558 00:27:39,083 --> 00:27:41,750 We had a five-minute live interview segment every night. 559 00:27:41,917 --> 00:27:43,667 And I don't remember who it was that day, 560 00:27:43,833 --> 00:27:45,667 but they canceled late in the day. 561 00:27:45,833 --> 00:27:47,208 And I didn't know what we were gonna do. 562 00:27:47,375 --> 00:27:49,542 And I thought, "I wonder if Lear's UFO buddy 563 00:27:49,667 --> 00:27:50,625 might be available." 564 00:27:50,750 --> 00:27:52,667 I had no idea who Bob Lazar was. 565 00:27:52,875 --> 00:27:55,917 And so we sent a live unit up to Lear's home. 566 00:27:56,083 --> 00:27:58,833 This skinny, bespectacled guy comes out. 567 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,333 We had to hide his identity. Silhouette. 568 00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:04,875 We used a pseudonym and we started interviewing 569 00:28:05,042 --> 00:28:06,792 and out spills this story 570 00:28:06,958 --> 00:28:11,917 of a secret facility built up in the Area 51 complex. 571 00:28:12,875 --> 00:28:14,667 Exactly what's going on up there? 572 00:28:14,833 --> 00:28:17,000 Well, there's several, uh... 573 00:28:17,167 --> 00:28:21,208 actually, nine, uh, flying saucers, flying discs, 574 00:28:21,417 --> 00:28:24,750 uh, that are out there of extraterrestrial origin. 575 00:28:24,875 --> 00:28:26,333 And they're being test-flown 576 00:28:26,542 --> 00:28:29,333 and, uh, basically just analyzed. 577 00:28:30,875 --> 00:28:34,167 It is the highest-rated locally produced series 578 00:28:34,292 --> 00:28:35,750 ever airing in Las Vegas. 579 00:28:35,917 --> 00:28:38,292 And it changed the course of my life. 580 00:28:39,292 --> 00:28:41,917 After Lazar's sensational claim, 581 00:28:42,083 --> 00:28:46,208 Area 51 became the center of public interest. 582 00:28:46,333 --> 00:28:48,375 And UFO enthusiasts 583 00:28:48,542 --> 00:28:50,958 began to comb the Nevada desert 584 00:28:51,042 --> 00:28:54,792 in search of the secret military installation. 585 00:28:55,792 --> 00:28:58,833 Bob Lazar ultimately revealed his identity. 586 00:28:58,917 --> 00:29:03,208 And once he did, his life would never be the same. 587 00:29:03,417 --> 00:29:04,750 Bob Lazar, 588 00:29:04,875 --> 00:29:08,875 he was ripped apart for this information. 589 00:29:09,042 --> 00:29:11,250 In fact, it got so bad 590 00:29:11,417 --> 00:29:13,375 where his house was broken in, 591 00:29:13,542 --> 00:29:14,583 he was harassed, 592 00:29:14,750 --> 00:29:16,625 his family was threatened. 593 00:29:16,792 --> 00:29:19,208 Lazar thought he was gonna be killed. 594 00:29:19,375 --> 00:29:20,667 We were being followed. 595 00:29:20,875 --> 00:29:22,125 We were being tracked. 596 00:29:22,292 --> 00:29:23,250 Our phones were tapped. 597 00:29:23,375 --> 00:29:24,833 We were being watched. 598 00:29:25,042 --> 00:29:27,750 I mean, I made an open appeal to our audience. 599 00:29:27,917 --> 00:29:29,542 I said, "Look, I know there are people 600 00:29:29,708 --> 00:29:31,125 "who are watching this program now 601 00:29:31,250 --> 00:29:33,042 "who know about the reverse engineering. 602 00:29:33,208 --> 00:29:34,833 And I want you to reach out to me." 603 00:29:34,958 --> 00:29:36,833 And six times in a row, 604 00:29:36,958 --> 00:29:38,833 people who contacted me, 605 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,792 offered to meet with me and go on camera, 606 00:29:40,917 --> 00:29:42,917 were visited the very next day 607 00:29:43,083 --> 00:29:45,292 by people purporting to be government agents 608 00:29:45,458 --> 00:29:47,625 who told them to shut the hell up or else. 609 00:29:47,708 --> 00:29:50,500 And in a couple of those cases, they were threatened with death. 610 00:29:52,750 --> 00:29:54,750 Faced with constant harassment, 611 00:29:54,917 --> 00:29:57,417 Lazar retreated from public view. 612 00:29:57,583 --> 00:30:01,000 Then, in 2013, 613 00:30:01,167 --> 00:30:05,500 24 years after Bob Lazar's explosive interview, 614 00:30:05,708 --> 00:30:07,833 a Freedom of Information Act request 615 00:30:08,042 --> 00:30:13,417 forced the government to finally reveal the existence of Area 51. 616 00:30:14,625 --> 00:30:17,000 While Air Force officials still denied 617 00:30:17,125 --> 00:30:19,042 that the facility had anything to do 618 00:30:19,208 --> 00:30:21,750 with extraterrestrial craft or beings, 619 00:30:21,917 --> 00:30:25,625 Lazar felt a sense of vindication. 620 00:30:25,792 --> 00:30:29,208 In 2018, he decided 621 00:30:29,375 --> 00:30:33,708 to share his story in filmmaker Jeremy Corbell's documentary 622 00:30:33,833 --> 00:30:38,458 titled Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers. 623 00:30:40,875 --> 00:30:42,458 In the late 1980s, 624 00:30:42,583 --> 00:30:47,250 the U.S. government had recovered alien spacecraft, 625 00:30:47,375 --> 00:30:48,667 several of them, 626 00:30:48,875 --> 00:30:51,583 and the technology in the Nevada desert 627 00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:54,208 that they were keeping quiet and analyzing. 628 00:30:55,292 --> 00:30:56,500 That's a fact. 629 00:30:56,708 --> 00:31:00,583 I think after he saw some time passing 630 00:31:00,750 --> 00:31:04,500 and saw how people were saying things that he never said, 631 00:31:04,667 --> 00:31:06,750 it just finally got to him. 632 00:31:06,917 --> 00:31:08,458 And he's a fighter. So I think he just got 633 00:31:08,625 --> 00:31:10,333 to a point where he was saying, "Okay, enough is enough. 634 00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:12,250 Here we go. What do you want to know?" 635 00:31:12,417 --> 00:31:14,958 I don't like being in the public eye. 636 00:31:15,125 --> 00:31:16,750 I don't have money for doing this. 637 00:31:16,917 --> 00:31:18,667 And, quite frankly, I could make up a better lie. 638 00:31:18,667 --> 00:31:19,542 And, quite frankly, I could make up a better lie. 639 00:31:19,667 --> 00:31:22,500 But I have no motivation to lie. 640 00:31:24,042 --> 00:31:27,125 Jeremy's film was an atomic bomb all over again. 641 00:31:27,292 --> 00:31:31,000 A whole new generation of people got to learn about Bob Lazar. 642 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,833 And I think it inspired some of the people 643 00:31:34,042 --> 00:31:36,833 who are now coming forward as-as whistleblowers 644 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,208 to go ahead and have the courage to speak up. 645 00:31:40,333 --> 00:31:42,333 Could it be that Bob Lazar 646 00:31:42,542 --> 00:31:45,583 was targeted by a campaign to suppress the truth 647 00:31:45,708 --> 00:31:49,333 about alien technology at Area 51? 648 00:31:49,542 --> 00:31:53,417 Many believe Lazar's willingness to come forward 649 00:31:53,583 --> 00:31:56,250 opened the door for another whistleblower, 650 00:31:56,417 --> 00:32:00,167 one who exposed a conspiracy so vast it would take him 651 00:32:00,292 --> 00:32:04,292 into the halls of the United States Congress. 652 00:32:13,125 --> 00:32:15,667 The Debrief, a science news website, 653 00:32:15,833 --> 00:32:18,083 publishes a sensational interview 654 00:32:18,208 --> 00:32:22,542 with military intelligence officer David Grusch. 655 00:32:22,750 --> 00:32:24,125 David Grusch, 656 00:32:24,292 --> 00:32:27,958 he's a former intelligence community officer, 657 00:32:28,083 --> 00:32:31,875 he served on the UAP Task Force 658 00:32:32,042 --> 00:32:34,833 under the directorship of Jay Stratton, 659 00:32:34,958 --> 00:32:36,958 and he was a representative 660 00:32:37,125 --> 00:32:41,917 of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency. 661 00:32:42,083 --> 00:32:44,083 While I was on the UAP Task Force, 662 00:32:44,250 --> 00:32:47,000 Dave Grusch was given the job 663 00:32:47,208 --> 00:32:50,833 to go and start interviewing people 664 00:32:51,042 --> 00:32:53,167 who worked on a previous UFO program, 665 00:32:53,333 --> 00:32:55,167 see what they were willing to tell us. 666 00:32:55,375 --> 00:32:57,250 And he found a lot of things. 667 00:32:57,417 --> 00:33:00,458 In the Debrief article, Grusch revealed 668 00:33:00,667 --> 00:33:03,583 that as part of his official duties at the Pentagon, 669 00:33:03,792 --> 00:33:06,292 he was informed of a decades-long, 670 00:33:06,417 --> 00:33:10,833 top secret military program to recover and reverse engineer 671 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,833 crashed craft of nonhuman origin. 672 00:33:13,958 --> 00:33:16,833 It was his job to go and interview 673 00:33:16,917 --> 00:33:19,125 some of the people in the system 674 00:33:19,333 --> 00:33:23,625 who are actively responsible for keeping it secret. 675 00:33:23,708 --> 00:33:25,333 And he says it's all real. 676 00:33:25,542 --> 00:33:27,333 Everything you've heard, everything you've been told, 677 00:33:27,458 --> 00:33:30,250 all the rumors about crashed UFOs, 678 00:33:30,417 --> 00:33:32,625 dead bodies, it's all true. 679 00:33:33,875 --> 00:33:34,833 Grusch interviewed, he said, 680 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,458 about 40 witnesses 681 00:33:36,583 --> 00:33:39,000 within the national security establishment. 682 00:33:39,167 --> 00:33:42,167 He stated that there are 683 00:33:42,333 --> 00:33:45,292 multiple alien craft, 684 00:33:45,458 --> 00:33:47,708 uh, that the United States government 685 00:33:47,875 --> 00:33:51,500 or its licensed private contractors have possession of. 686 00:33:51,708 --> 00:33:55,083 And he stated that there were what he called "biologics" 687 00:33:55,250 --> 00:33:56,375 that were recovered. 688 00:33:56,542 --> 00:33:58,708 That's his word for alien bodies. 689 00:33:58,875 --> 00:34:02,667 I've been in a secure environment with Dave 690 00:34:02,833 --> 00:34:06,000 and have had been briefed on everything that he's uncovered, 691 00:34:06,167 --> 00:34:09,917 and, uh, everything that he's saying in public 692 00:34:10,083 --> 00:34:14,125 has been approved by, uh, the-the Defense Department 693 00:34:14,292 --> 00:34:16,333 and, also, by the Inspector General. 694 00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:19,833 There's a-a "there" there, as-as the saying goes, 695 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,042 and, uh, we would all be wise to listen to the stories. 696 00:34:24,208 --> 00:34:27,833 Astonished by the scope of the project, 697 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,667 Grusch came forward as a whistleblower. 698 00:34:30,833 --> 00:34:33,625 He decided that the Pentagon was withholding critical information 699 00:34:33,792 --> 00:34:37,208 on this subject from Congress, which he argued was illegal. 700 00:34:37,375 --> 00:34:40,417 And he, uh, ended up issuing a complaint about this 701 00:34:40,583 --> 00:34:42,000 to the Inspector General's office 702 00:34:42,208 --> 00:34:43,333 of the intelligence community. 703 00:34:43,542 --> 00:34:47,708 On July 26, 2023, 704 00:34:47,875 --> 00:34:51,083 just seven weeks after going public, 705 00:34:51,250 --> 00:34:54,083 David Grusch and two other whistleblowers 706 00:34:54,250 --> 00:34:57,917 testified before a Congressional hearing. 707 00:34:58,042 --> 00:35:01,083 I have taken every step I can to corroborate this evidence 708 00:35:01,250 --> 00:35:03,125 over a period of four years 709 00:35:03,292 --> 00:35:05,333 while I was with the UAP Task Force, 710 00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:08,125 and do my due diligence on the individuals sharing it. 711 00:35:08,250 --> 00:35:10,875 Uh, this is-- Because of these steps, 712 00:35:11,042 --> 00:35:13,833 I believe strongly, uh, in the importance 713 00:35:14,042 --> 00:35:15,958 of bringing this information before you. 714 00:35:16,083 --> 00:35:17,625 During his testimony, 715 00:35:17,792 --> 00:35:22,250 Grusch revealed specific details of military UAP encounters. 716 00:35:22,417 --> 00:35:25,250 He also stated that despite having nothing to gain 717 00:35:25,417 --> 00:35:28,417 by disclosing this information, 718 00:35:28,542 --> 00:35:33,542 his testimony made him a target for significant repercussions. 719 00:35:33,708 --> 00:35:35,042 Mr. Grusch, 720 00:35:35,208 --> 00:35:37,333 have you faced any retaliation or reprisals 721 00:35:37,542 --> 00:35:39,708 for any of your testimony or anything? 722 00:35:39,917 --> 00:35:43,625 Yeah, uh, I have to be careful what I say in detail 723 00:35:43,792 --> 00:35:45,333 because there is an open, uh, 724 00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:48,417 whistleblower reprisal investigation on my behalf, 725 00:35:48,583 --> 00:35:50,167 and I don't want to compromise that investigation. 726 00:35:50,333 --> 00:35:54,125 But it was very brutal and, uh, very unfortunate, 727 00:35:54,292 --> 00:35:56,667 some of the tactics they used to, 728 00:35:56,875 --> 00:35:58,250 um, hurt me both professionally 729 00:35:58,375 --> 00:36:00,750 and-and personally, to be quite frank. 730 00:36:00,875 --> 00:36:04,667 We were told that individuals had been killed 731 00:36:04,792 --> 00:36:06,417 protecting this information. 732 00:36:06,542 --> 00:36:11,000 He's in fear of his life as well as the, uh, safety of his wife. 733 00:36:11,167 --> 00:36:13,833 There is something more nefarious at play here. 734 00:36:14,042 --> 00:36:17,583 Almost immediately following his dramatic testimony, 735 00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:21,167 articles in the press attempted to discredit Grusch, 736 00:36:21,375 --> 00:36:24,625 making a string of accusations aimed at questioning 737 00:36:24,792 --> 00:36:26,500 his mental state. 738 00:36:26,625 --> 00:36:30,875 They tried to say that because he had deployed 739 00:36:31,042 --> 00:36:32,833 and some of his friends have died, 740 00:36:32,958 --> 00:36:34,667 he might have PTSD. 741 00:36:34,792 --> 00:36:37,250 They tried to discredit him, which is just 742 00:36:37,417 --> 00:36:39,333 the most egregious smear that they could ever run 743 00:36:39,542 --> 00:36:41,875 on a military service member. 744 00:36:42,042 --> 00:36:45,792 The article sensationalized his mental difficulties. 745 00:36:45,917 --> 00:36:47,333 And it turns out that, uh, 746 00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:49,875 the author of it actually acknowledged, 747 00:36:50,042 --> 00:36:53,250 publicly, that he had been contacted by, uh, sources 748 00:36:53,417 --> 00:36:57,167 inside the Defense Department and directed to do this. 749 00:36:58,542 --> 00:37:00,667 We have a generations-long history 750 00:37:00,833 --> 00:37:04,542 of the federal government trying to discredit witnesses, 751 00:37:04,708 --> 00:37:06,917 and I believe we saw that with David Grusch. 752 00:37:07,083 --> 00:37:09,333 The U.S. military denies 753 00:37:09,500 --> 00:37:12,875 David Grusch's sensational allegations. 754 00:37:13,042 --> 00:37:15,625 But if what he says isn't true, 755 00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:18,083 then why did members of the Defense Department 756 00:37:18,208 --> 00:37:21,333 actively try to discredit his testimony? 757 00:37:21,542 --> 00:37:24,042 The claims made by David Grusch, 758 00:37:24,208 --> 00:37:26,375 and other whistleblowers like him, 759 00:37:26,542 --> 00:37:28,875 have brought more attention to the UFO phenomenon 760 00:37:29,042 --> 00:37:31,375 than ever before. 761 00:37:31,542 --> 00:37:35,500 And ancient astronaut theorists believe that the truth 762 00:37:35,667 --> 00:37:38,333 about an extraterrestrial presence on Earth 763 00:37:38,458 --> 00:37:41,333 may finally be revealed. 764 00:37:50,167 --> 00:37:51,667 After more than 70 years 765 00:37:51,875 --> 00:37:53,417 of whistleblower testimony 766 00:37:53,583 --> 00:37:55,167 claiming that the U.S. government 767 00:37:55,375 --> 00:37:58,417 is covering up the truth about UFOs, 768 00:37:58,583 --> 00:38:02,583 members of Congress finally decide to take action. 769 00:38:02,750 --> 00:38:05,250 I'm pleased the NDAA will include my amendment 770 00:38:05,417 --> 00:38:07,667 on increasing transparency on UAPs, 771 00:38:07,833 --> 00:38:10,667 or unidentified anomalous phenomena. 772 00:38:10,833 --> 00:38:13,833 Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer sponsors 773 00:38:14,042 --> 00:38:17,500 the Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Disclosure Act. 774 00:38:17,625 --> 00:38:19,667 The bill would require the release 775 00:38:19,875 --> 00:38:22,667 of all government knowledge of UAPs. 776 00:38:22,833 --> 00:38:26,250 But UFO researchers are left frustrated 777 00:38:26,417 --> 00:38:30,458 when it is finally signed into law five months later. 778 00:38:30,583 --> 00:38:34,917 Some really robust and new whistleblower provisions 779 00:38:35,083 --> 00:38:36,083 were drafted, 780 00:38:36,208 --> 00:38:38,333 but not a lot of that 781 00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:41,167 actually made it into the final bill. 782 00:38:41,292 --> 00:38:43,750 In fact, a lot of the really interesting 783 00:38:43,917 --> 00:38:46,875 UAP-related provisions were negotiated out. 784 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,958 No independent review board, no eminent domain provision. 785 00:38:52,125 --> 00:38:54,875 No extra whistleblower protections. 786 00:38:55,042 --> 00:38:57,833 Were these changes to the legislation 787 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,708 simply part of a routine political process? 788 00:39:01,875 --> 00:39:05,000 Or might it be the latest attempt by the government 789 00:39:05,208 --> 00:39:08,333 to suppress information about UFOs? 790 00:39:08,458 --> 00:39:12,583 Either way, many UFO researchers remain optimistic 791 00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:15,500 that we have entered an age in which more whistleblowers 792 00:39:15,708 --> 00:39:18,833 will come forward than ever before. 793 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,833 The fact that Congress gutted this legislation, 794 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,000 uh, a lot of people in UFO world see that as the end. 795 00:39:25,167 --> 00:39:27,083 It's just the beginning. 796 00:39:27,250 --> 00:39:28,250 And I think that what's gonna happen 797 00:39:28,417 --> 00:39:30,208 over the next months and years 798 00:39:30,375 --> 00:39:31,667 is that additional whistleblowers 799 00:39:31,875 --> 00:39:32,792 are gonna go public, 800 00:39:32,958 --> 00:39:34,500 and they're gonna release documents 801 00:39:34,667 --> 00:39:36,125 and they're gonna release videos 802 00:39:36,292 --> 00:39:38,083 that are gonna be very compelling. 803 00:39:38,292 --> 00:39:42,333 Much of the information that we've gotten about UFOs 804 00:39:42,542 --> 00:39:44,250 has been from whistleblowers. 805 00:39:44,417 --> 00:39:47,417 People who, uh, are insiders, 806 00:39:47,542 --> 00:39:49,250 they're in the military, 807 00:39:49,417 --> 00:39:53,167 and they think that people should know these things. 808 00:39:53,333 --> 00:39:56,000 And so, they risk themselves 809 00:39:56,167 --> 00:39:58,292 by becoming whistleblowers. 810 00:39:58,417 --> 00:40:00,083 For the past eight decades, 811 00:40:00,208 --> 00:40:04,000 the heroes of this movement have always been the whistleblowers, 812 00:40:04,125 --> 00:40:07,958 the insiders who decide that the powers that be 813 00:40:08,125 --> 00:40:10,375 can't withhold this information from the American people-- 814 00:40:10,583 --> 00:40:12,625 and, indeed, the human race-- any longer. 815 00:40:12,792 --> 00:40:14,250 They're dedicated, ultimately, 816 00:40:14,417 --> 00:40:16,500 to what all of us are seeking: the truth. 817 00:40:16,708 --> 00:40:19,000 It is the whistleblowers 818 00:40:19,167 --> 00:40:21,417 who will move us one step closer 819 00:40:21,583 --> 00:40:24,500 to answering the extraterrestrial question. 820 00:40:24,667 --> 00:40:27,333 It's about time that we're being told the truth 821 00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:29,500 because we can handle the truth. 822 00:40:29,583 --> 00:40:31,542 We're told we can't, but we can. 823 00:40:31,708 --> 00:40:33,500 And so, I think we now live 824 00:40:33,708 --> 00:40:35,625 in one of the most exciting times 825 00:40:35,792 --> 00:40:38,542 in the entire history of our planet. 826 00:40:38,708 --> 00:40:41,333 In the wake of the whistleblower hearing before Congress, 827 00:40:41,542 --> 00:40:45,542 could even more incredible secrets soon be revealed? 828 00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:48,792 Secrets involving knowledge of a real 829 00:40:48,958 --> 00:40:52,000 extraterrestrial presence on Earth? 830 00:40:52,167 --> 00:40:54,333 For now, the fact that UFOs 831 00:40:54,500 --> 00:40:57,333 are being discussed in the mainstream press, 832 00:40:57,542 --> 00:41:00,625 and Congress, represents monumental progress. 833 00:41:00,792 --> 00:41:03,625 If we ever learn the full truth about UFOs, 834 00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:06,542 whistleblowers will undoubtedly have played 835 00:41:06,708 --> 00:41:09,792 a key role in getting that truth out. 836 00:41:09,958 --> 00:41:12,500 We'll look back at the history of some of these people, 837 00:41:12,708 --> 00:41:14,833 and we'll name the names and say, 838 00:41:15,042 --> 00:41:19,583 "These are the people who enabled this to be done." 839 00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:22,542 I see it as the Mount Rushmore of ufology, 840 00:41:22,708 --> 00:41:25,167 that one day, we'll have those faces 841 00:41:25,375 --> 00:41:27,375 carved in stone somewhere. 842 00:41:27,542 --> 00:41:30,042 Hynek, Ruppelt, 843 00:41:30,208 --> 00:41:33,375 Elizondo, Grusch and many others. 844 00:41:33,583 --> 00:41:35,792 They're all heroes. 845 00:41:35,958 --> 00:41:39,167 What if the incredible claims of UFO whistleblowers 846 00:41:39,333 --> 00:41:41,583 are all true? 847 00:41:41,708 --> 00:41:45,542 Could it be that first contact with extraterrestrials 848 00:41:45,708 --> 00:41:49,792 does not lie in the near future but has already happened? 849 00:41:49,958 --> 00:41:53,917 Perhaps, as more whistleblowers continue to come forward,, 850 00:41:54,083 --> 00:41:57,917 the full truth will finally be revealed... 851 00:41:58,083 --> 00:42:03,167 and we will discover that we are not alone, 852 00:42:03,292 --> 00:42:06,250 even on our own planet. 853 00:42:06,375 --> 00:42:08,167 CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY A+E NETWORKS 66611

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