All language subtitles for A Trip Into The Supernatural - Interview with Roger Morneau and Doug Batchelor

Let's go back to your conversion a little
bit.

Now you're French-Canadian by birth.

Yes.

During World War II you were in the Navy.

Now just coming out of the Navy, some things
happened when you got drawn into not passive

but outright demonic association, worship,
and the spiritualistic movement.

Tell us a little about that so folks know
where you've come from.

Coming out of the Merchant Navy, I discovered
there was thousands of enlisted men that we're

looking for jobs since they were no longer
in the service.

To get jobs in Montreal was difficult.

I took a job to get me making a living at
the Windsor Bowling Alley and Billiards in

West Saint Catherine Street which is the main
street of Montreal.

I was assistant to the manager of the Billiard
room.

That's where all the wealthy people play billiard.

It turned out to be, that one evening about
six o'clock, this fellow came walking in there

and said, "Hey, Morneau."

I turned around and looked at him, he said,
"You're alive."

I said, "Of course I'm alive."

"Yes, I heard you were torpedoed at North
Atlantic and that you died."

You've had this problem all your life haven't
you?

Yes.

People thinking you're dead?

[laughter]

People misunderstand me.

Then he said, "Well it's nice to see
you."

He shook my hand and then he said, "Why don't
you have dinner with me tonight?

I got a lot of nice interesting things to
tell you, man.

Wow, my life is filled with well-being."

I said, "What did you do?

Inherit a few million dollars?"

"No, no.

It's better than that, better than that."

So I asked my boss could I take the evening
off.

It was like on Wednesday evening, there wasn't
too many people there.

"Yes," he said, "you can take it off."

So we're sitting, eating our meal, and he
says, "Man," he says, "let me tell you.

I have become member of a society who communicate
the spirits of the dead.

How would you like to talk to the spirit of
your dead mother?"

My mother died when I was four years old.

I said, "I wouldn't be interested at all."

"Hey man," he says, "I talked to my dad.

He says things are going fabulous.

The spirits of our departed loved ones are
interested in our well-being here in this

land and they do want to help you.

They want to be with you, they want to help
you."

So he told me, "Well, why don't you come to
a seance with me next Saturday night?"

I said, "No, I'm not interested really
to be honest with you." and I tried to change

the subject but he wouldn't change subjects.

He said, "You're a chicken.

I can tell."

He says, "I knew Morneau when he was afraid
of nothing.

You painted the 70-foot main mast on a ship."

He said, "Nobody else wanted to go up there."

Then he said, "Now you're a chicken or are
you going to come with me Saturday night?"

I said, "I'll go with you."

That's the way it started for about a few
months with seances and some many very

interesting things happened.

[chuckles] If you want to hear about it, I'll
tell you but I think I'm gonna to go on ...

Some of that is in one of your books.

Is that in the Trip into the Supernatural?

Trip into the Supernatural

Right, okay.

So ...

[laughter]

That's called a plug.

[laughs]

Well you told me the cameras pick it up right?

That's right.

Hold it for a little while and then we'll
put it down.

That's good.

Okay.

[laughter]

What I'm trying to do, I want to be recognized
people said that I'm dead.

I'm not dead [laughs].

No, I can see that.

You see my books, you see this guy is not
dead.

A number of fascinating things happened at
these seances but finally you actually

got to the place where one point you said
things were flying around the room and you

were having demons and spirits were speaking
to the group and making promises.

I'm going to tell you a very short little
story here.

We go to one of these séances one Saturday
evening.

There was a guest exorcist, whatever you want
to call him, medium that was speaking there.

And my friend says, "Hey, by the way, there's
a big great man, the bandleader," he said,

"this band leader is going to be there with
his wife."

I said, "Really?

I'd like to meet him."

Now this man belonged to a high Luciferian
society of spirit worshipers.

What happened that this spirit counselor that
is one of Satan's top angels had told the

high priest of the society just about a year
before that the great master wanted to bring

two individuals in the society that would
be a tremendous asset to the group in Montreal

and had given our names but the priest had
forgotten all about that.

What happened is that this George, this band
leader, he was told by the angel, "You go

with your wife to this seance, you
look like you're really enjoying yourself

but you're there for one purpose, to bring
these guys into the society.

Here's how you are going to do it.

When your wife is engrossed with talking with
the visiting medium and you see that these

fellows want to leave, tell your wife that
you're going home to rest but she can come

home with the [unintelligible 00:05:38] which
lived right just few houses away."

The angel told him, "Walk out at the same
time with the two fellows and ask them if

they're driving or taking the street car."

So we walked out of there and George says,
"Hey, listen, you guys driving?"

"No," we said, "we'll take the street car
two blocks away."

"Jump in the car."

He had a nice, big Lincoln, brand-new one.

We jumped in the car, he says, "I'll drive
you there."

On the way there he said, "Hey, man, why don't
we go to a fancy restaurant on Western Catherine

Street and we'll have some good food and a
couple drinks and you tell me more about your

Merchant Navy experiences?"

After we're sitting there, he says, "How long
have you guys been involved in sorcery?"

I said, "What?"

He said, "How long have you guys have been
involved in sorcery."

I said, "You know the spirits, the supposed
spirits of the dead?

They're not the spirits of the dead, they're
demon spirits.

They're deceiving everybody.

They're are the lowest ranking of Satan's
angels" And he goes on telling us a little

bit more and he invites us to one of their
meetings for the following week, for the Wednesday

evening, and the following evening.

By the time we left there, he was so late
that I said to myself, "This guy will never

pick us up to go to this meeting."

But sure enough Wednesday evening gave us
a ring.

Well, my friend lived about two blocks away
from where I lived but he picked us up right

over there and introduced us to the members
of the secret society.

I was very amazed because of the fact that
they were all professionals, merchants, business

people of great capacities, wealthy people,
and there was a number of medical doctors

and attorneys and people like that …

Now at this point you realized this society,
they were not just mediums doing seances

as you knew that this was the underworld?

They had beautiful paintings, life-size of
angels that had appeared, Satan's angels,

dressed in different garments of different
ages.

They had materialized.

First they had materialized in those forms
then they were photographed and then they

made the paintings and all.

When I visited the worship room of the gods,
I was amazed to see there was over a hundred

of those beautiful paintings all around the
worship room of the gods and they were all

Satan's top-notch spirit counselors.

So they had these life-size paintings of demons
that had once appeared then they made paintings

out of them?

We were so amazed, my friend and I, we couldn't
believe it.

I've been born and raised a Catholic and you
think of the devil being in the middle of

the earth, fire, covered with soot, they look
terrible [chuckles] then you find out that

the great conflict that started in the courts
of heaven.

And the demons are beautiful?

That the angels, since they are bright beautiful
beings, the high priest told me that while

he was in Chicago visiting there that an angel
appeared to him and he says that the brightness

was so great that he couldn't look upon the
being but closed his eyes.

The spirit counselor, the angel told him that
the fellow that he had left in charge, the

other priests in Montreal, was about to wreck
everything that the spirits had done to bring

my friend and I into the society.

He had to phone immediately and get this guy
to change his money.

If he had not, when George went to phone him
and says that he would like to bring us, he

said, "No way."

He said, "If the high priest wants to have
them here, he's going to have to be here himself

and that'll be in the future."

Now I remember reading that the spirits were
offering different gifts and powers and at

one point, you received the power to get dreams
about what horse to bet on and you won.

The bookies finally told you to stop coming
because you won several days in a row.

Is that right?

They told me that they were going to put a
bullet in me, so when I heard that I said

to the guy, "I won't come back here."

But every race that you bet on, you worn for
several--

Here's what happened, the high priest told
us, my friend and I, that the great master

would very much like to have us initiated
into the society on the 31st of October at

their resort in the Laurentian Mountains north
of Montreal, North of Santa Gat.

And he wasn't even going to tell us
what the great master wanted us to do as a

career but that it was going to be a tremendous
important work that the two of us were going

to do.

Well, my friend says what he wanted to be
initiated and I but I said to the priest,

at the time I didn't know very much, I said,
"My Reverend," I called the guy the Reverend,

"I understand how the great master may want
us to be initiated now but somehow I don't

feel that I want to be initiated this time.

What about maybe like in the spring of the
year or something like that?"

He said, "Well, I'll tell you what, I don't
know, he said you don't want to buck the good

master, the high master because the great
master, because he says it's very bad."

The great master is who?

Is Satan.

Okay, I just want to clarify that, the great
master is Satan that is offering this special

gift.

They simply refer to him as the great master
or Lucifer.

Or Lucifer okay.

They don't call him Satan.

Very, very few, very few.

He said, "Look, I'm going to do something
for you guys, especially for you, Roger, I'm

going to pray to the great master that he
gave you a gift.

I can give three or four or five and you choose,
and whatever you choose will be yours."

And I said, "Well, it'd be mighty nice if
I had the gift of a clairvoyance where I could

see-- at the bookies, you play the horses,
you go to the bookie, you see all the name

of the horses and enter the tracks Belmont
or whatever the race are running you see and

to know which was going to be a winner.

I said, "That'd be great, it could make me
some nice money."

He said--

That would probably work with the stock market
too then.

It would probably work with anything, but
he said that's yours, you got it.

And sure enough, just a bit later, I had a
dream and I dreamed that I went that I went

to the bookie on a Saturday morning and I
saw the calendar date and everything and I

saw all the horses running at three different
races and the winner was the one that shone.

He was shining?

Shiny and that was one there, he was twenty
one to one, this guy this horse was so bad,

the possibility of winning was so poor that
he was paying twenty one to one.

In other words, you put a dollar down, you
get 21 if he wins.

That was a shining one, I said, "Boy."

Then as I decided, he looked good, so I said
to myself-- well in those days money was--

Scarce.

Scarce, so I said, "Well, I want to put $2
on this guy," so I put $2 on it and then he

wins.

Then I put $20 on the twenty one to one horse
and that won.

And then that got the attention of everybody.

Everybody said, "I can't believe it."

Some guys were knocking their fists on the
counter because they said this horse is totally

worthless, he shouldn't have been in this
race and then he wins.

Sure I was listening to these guys and I said,
"Boy."

You know what happened, when I came back the
following week, oh yes I left out of there

with a bundle of money in my pocket, I went
down to the Saint Catherine street, I went

to one of the fine men's store and I bought
myself a 200 dollar suit.

That's a lot of money back then.

Those days in 1946, a bundle of money.

So anyway I came back the next week and the
man of the cage says, "You're Roger."

I said, "Yes," as I was putting some money
down, he said the boss would really like to

see you.

The bookie boss?

Yes, the owner of the operation, and he says,
you go to that door right over there."

I said, "Okay."

So he gives me my tickets and I go in there
and knock.

"Come on in."

It was all in French of course, "Entrez monsieur."

He sees me, "Oh you're the guy, you're Roger?"

I say, "Yes."

"Come here," he says, "sit down right there
in front my desk."

He got up and he walked around make a big
circle around me, looked at me, sit back again

and he says, "You don't look like a winner,
you don't look like a man that knows anything

about horses."

"Well," I said, "I don't, I just happen to
be lucky."

He said, "I'll tell you what, I don't know
where you're getting your information, okay,

but we don't like it here anymore, you're
taking too much of our nice money.

So, I'll tell you what, the next time that
you're in here, I'll get some of my goons

after you and they'll put a bullet right up
there men, and I won't have you in here again.

Now, if you want the address and there's a
different bookies in Montreal, I'll give you

a whole list of them."

I said, "No, it's not necessary sir, I won't
come back."

So, that was the beginning--

He knew you had inside information, he just
didn't know how inside it was?

The pressure mounted, the pressure mounted
to be initiated, and this was in October.

And I came home down on a Wednesday evening
after the high priest had put a lot of pressure

on me and I went to bed but I couldn't sleep.

At three o'clock in the morning I'm laying
in the bed there and now this was a prayer,

mighty beautiful prayer very short and I never
thought that I was praying, but here listen

to this, I said, "If there's a God in heaven
who cares for me," hear that?

"Who cares for me, help me."

I don't know how long I stayed awake after
that but the next thing I knew my alarm clock

rang and I got up, went to work.

That's not something?

No, something beautiful happened.

I am working in the embroidery Factory and
I was working on my machine and the three

o'clock the coffee break came in the afternoon,
I went outside to have my smoke and one of

the bosses you see, they were Jewish.

One of the bosses said, "Hey Roger, when you
come up, come into my office I want to talk

to you."

So I came back up and he said, "Come on in,
close the door."

I said, "Mr. [unintelligible 00:16:33] what
is going on?"

He never closed his door unless he wants to
fire somebody, by observation.

I said, "What's the problem?"

"Well, there's no problem.

Well," he says, "you could call it problem,
probably.

You notice this guy that was here this morning
that I showed around the shop?"

I said, "Yes."

I said, "The black guy?"

"Yes, well he's going to start working here
next Monday and he's a Christian but he keeps

the Jewish Sabbath."

"What do you mean he keeps the Jewish Sabbath?

Yes, he keeps the biblical Sabbath of creation
and God created the world, the earth and blesses

the seventh day and all of that, he keeps
it like the Jews do, like the other Jews do."

So I said, "So what?"

"I wanted to find out what denomination he
belongs to.

It's haunting me this thing," he says, "I
could hardly sleep last night that I had find

out what denomination this guy belongs to,"
but he said, "I'm not going to start doing

this kind of work."

He says, "You're my friend, give me a favor,
find out from him."

I said, "Sure, no problem."

Then he said, "I'll have him work on the machine
next to you."

This is in the embroidery factory?

Embroidery factory.

He says, "You're going to have a lot of chances
to talk to the guy but don't let him know

that I'm the one that wants to know what denomination
he belongs to."

"Okay, don't worry."

So to cut the long story short, my machine
was breaking threads and I had to back it

up and start over again and I got very unhappy
with the whole thing and I started to call

the saints, I was a Catholic then, when I
was a former Catholic.

I was calling the saints down from heaven
and so the coffee break came at ten o'clock,

we went downstairs and I was telling Cecil
I said, "Have you ever seen anything that

is taking place, the boss comes over adjusts
the machine needles, it works 15, 20 minutes

taking this work it's beautiful I get back
to the machine, the threads start breaking

right away, I don't know what it is."

I said, "Do you have any suggestions?"

He says, "Well, I tell you what," he says,
"if I were you, I would take it easy on the

Lord.

I could hear you talking to the Saints up
there a while ago," and he said, "I heard

the name of the Lord and I thought-- seeing
that you asked my opinion, I'd like to tell

you, take it easy on the Lord, your things
will go better."

I said, "There's my opening," I said, "Say,
man, I understand you're quite a religious

man, what denomination you belong to?"

He said, "I'm a Seventh Day Adventist."

I said, "A seventy what?"

"A Seventh Day Adventist."

He explained what the name meant.

"Wow," I said, "this is interesting."

And I asked him some other questions and then
it was time to go back upstairs.

I said to him, I said, "Look, did you bring
your lunch?"

He says, "Yes."

"What about us sitting on the loading dock
on back the plays there and have our lunch

together and you tell me more about your religious
convictions.

About his business of the Lord coming and
resurrecting people and recreating the earth

later on and all of that and you're not going
to be just as spirit flying on a cloud in

heaven if you're saved into God's kingdom?"

He said, "Yes, you will talk about it."

So, we had a good hour of talking and in the
afternoon about two o'clock, the spirits

started oppress me.

It was in the month of October, the windows
were open about maybe four or five inches

in the plane, it was cold and I was starting
to perspire, so I took my shirt and unbuttoned

it and rolled my sleeves and I was still perspiring
more.

So I went to the men's room, and once I locked
the door, I was being grabbed and choked and

the pressure is so great that I stood over
the toilet and the water was just pouring

down me.

And I said to myself, "Unless Cecil's God
help me, the spirits are going to do me in."

And instantly just--

So you knew that you had demonic powers that
were trying to choke you right then?

So at 3 o'clock, no it was at 5 o'clock, I
told him, I says, "What streetcar do you take?

Where do you take the streetcar?"

He says, "Well, I take it about two blocks
down here."

I said, "I want to walk with you.

Listen, if I went over to your house could
you show me in the Bible the things that you

were telling me today about your religious
convictions?"

"Oh yes, he says I'd be glad to."

I said, "Okay."

He said, "What about next weekend?"

"No," I said, "I mean this evening."

"This evening?

It's not a good evening," he says, "I have
a guy who's supposed to come and buy my jazz

records."

And he says, "I've already promised him, I
put him off two or three times."

I said, "Well, I'm sorry but I surely would
have liked to study the Bible with you."

He said, "What about tomorrow night and the
night after?"

That'd be too late my friend, too late, forever
too late."

And he said, "Okay, be at our home at 7 o'clock
and we'll be waiting for you."

Now I get to his place and he introduced me
to his wife and then he says, "Well I got

to explain something to you."

I listen.

He said, "I'm not a Seventh Day Adventist,
I told you I'm a Seventh Day Adventist because

you asked me and it was the easy thing for
me to do, I did have a lot of time to explain.

I'm not a baptized member of the Seventh Day
Adventist church, I probably will be baptized

before too long."

He says, "I'm just about making my decision
in regard to the Sabbath but," he says, "my

wife's is a Seventh Day Adventist and he says
she will give us - she'll conduct

the Bible studies tonight [unintelligible
00:22:05].

And she explained that he had his little Bible
studies, 28 Bible studies for busy people

people and on one sheet which should represent
one study was about maybe 18, 20 questions

and then you look up the answer in the Bible.

I say, "That's fine."

So we had our first Bible study the Word of
God and then it's eight o'clock and I said

to Cynthia-- she's smiling now at it again,
she remembers that if it was yesterday and

51 have gone by.

I said, "Cynthia, what's the next Bible study
entitled?"

"That's Daniel 2."

I said, "Yes, what is it about?"

She told me a little bit, I said, "Hey, let's
have this Bible study right now."

"No," they said, "why not come back next weekend?"

"No," I said, "tonight, right now."

Ceril said, "Okay, let's have it."

Now it's nine o'clock, I said, "What a fantastic
study, how interesting."

And I said, "What's the third study's title?"

She looked at Cecil and she said it is such-and-such.

I said, "Fantastic, let's have the study also."

I said, "What time do you people go to bed?"

They said, "We go to bed about eleven o'clock,
after I listen to evening news."

"Beautiful," I said, "we have time for another
study."

And he said, "Let me explain to you, we've
got a real problem here."

He said, "Our minister has been giving us
a lecture on how to give Bible studies effectively

and he tells us that we should never give
people more than two Bible studies per week

and they should be like one maybe like on
Monday or Tuesday or Wednesday and the other

one like on Sunday or Saturday or something
like that."

And he said, "We've already had--" We had
now three?

Two?

And he said, "We've already passed our quarter."

I said, "I'm so glad that you told me that,
Cecil, about your Minister.

I'll tell you what I promise I won't tell
him a thing.

[laughter]

I won't tell him when I meet him that we had
three or four Bible studies the first night."

Yes, that's forbidden and we know that.

He said go ahead, Cynthia.

So Cynthia had another Bible study.

Now it was ten o'clock.

I said, "What's the fourth one?"

He says, "She won't tell you title."

I said, "Well, I'll tell you what," I said,
"I thought you people are really nice loving

Christian that wanted to help a poor lost
soul.

[laughter]

And here you are refusing to give me another
Bible study?"

I said, "Hey, I just can't figure this out."

He said, "What would happen if we didn't study
tonight?

I said, "I'll tell you what, let me be honest
with you, okay, I cannot tell you the reason

why I want all these Bible studies but if
I am back here tomorrow night for the fifth

Bible study, it will have been a super miracle
of God that I'm alive."

Cecil said, "You make it sound like a matter
of life and death?"

I said, "It's exactly what it is and I'll
tell you later if things turn out good for

me."

I was as sure as I was sure that the sun's
going to rise tomorrow that the spirits were

going to do me in that night.

The high priests had told us about a couple
of accidents that had happened to some of

their members that had decided that, "Well,
this is really not for me."

One guy he told the high priest, "I think
I'm going to ask you to excuse me from this

fellowship," he says, "it's not for me."

The guy says, "Wait a minute, don't you back
off on the great master because it'll cost

you your life."

And he said, "That'll be the day."

He went away, he left that day from work and
the spirit counselor, the angel appeared to

the high priests and said the man is going
to die in a car accident down the road and

he's going to be decapitated and that's exactly
what happened to him.

I knew very well that the spirits were already
well aware of what I was doing and I was not

going to be around very long.

You knew that or at least you believed that
if you went ahead and tried to leave this

satanic society, that you were done in for.

Cost me my life, yes.

So that night I said goodbye, didn't expect
to see them again but the next morning I woke

up and I was expecting some kind of an accident
on the way home but I woke up the next morning

man life she's beautiful, my life.

I had of course getting them to commit themselves
to more Bible studies for Tuesday, you see,

at least one.

That was the next day?

Next day, so the next day I was there, we
had four more, now I was sure that I was not

going to see them on Wednesday.

I shook hands with them and said, "Well, if
I'm still alive, I'll be here tomorrow night

for Bible study number four it be nine.

We had 28 bible studies in one week, seven
days.

So what happened here--

I'm getting ideas for a new evangelistic series

[laughter]

Oh, really?

What happened here is that by Tuesday night,
I was so sure that I would not live any longer

that I figured, well, it was nice to learn
the truths, truth about the Creator.

The high priests always talked when he-- they
don't refer to God as God, they always referred

to God as the Creator, always as the Creator.

The great god is Lucifer, the great master.

So don't give glory to God for anything except
that he's the Creator.

Now, Wednesday when I came back for those
Bible studies, I was so thrilled in my soul,

I didn't know how to pray but there was in
my being an elation of such happiness toward

the God who cared.

I didn't know his name but I knew that he's
the God that cared.

That's why I said if there's a God in heaven
who cares for me, help me.

So we had two more Bible studies and those
Bible studies did for me marvels.

By the time that the two other Bible studies
were finished, we had four more by the way,

two more after that, but now I knew within
myself that I had a great master also and

that he was way better than the great master
that I had been serving for a while.

Amen.

Also I became very daring, I determined right
there and then that with the Grace of the

Lord Jesus and the power of God and His Holy
Spirit, I didn't have to worry about the high

priest and about the bullets and about decapitations
to accidents.

Let me interrupt you, how long ago was this?

51 years ago.

And you did 27 Bible studies in one week.

You've already heard brother Morneau allude
to it, but the couple that gave him those

Bible studies is here with us tonight, would
it be all right if we asked them to stand

up?

Please, yes.

It's Cecil and Cynthia would you please stand
up and show them the Bible studies

[applause]

Come up on the step, on either step.

Come up come up a little closer.

Come near the step so they can see you.

Cecil is holding up, this is the set of Bible
studies that he gave Roger over 50 years ago.

That’s right, 51.

Isn’t that incredible, boy you needed
a magnifying glass for this.

That's right, the printing was very fine.

I can no longer read them.

You can't read them anymore they are too small.

Praise the Lord.

That's, I think, remarkable how the Lord has
preserved them and I'm sure that this couple

really did not expect that those Bible studies
they were given were going to result in a

ministry that would be in essence touching
the lives of hundreds of thousands of people.

When you give a Bible Study to one person
never underestimate what the long-term influence

of that is going to be, isn’t that wonderful?

So this is about all I'm going to say about
this part of it.

On Wednesday night, when I got home I had
a letter in my note of my door from my friend.

On Thursday night and Friday night also.

We were finishing our studies at eleven o'clock
and took me an hour to get home and on the

streetcar.

Which meant that I got home at twelve o'clock.

He had been trying to talk to me but he couldn't
get a hold of me, he knew where I was.

On Saturday night he told me, he said, " The
high priest has informed me that the spirits

are going to destroy you and there's a big
price already been set on your on your head.

I need to talk to you please call me."

There was a pay phone in the hallway, downstairs
in the foyer but I decided I better go a restaurant

down the street, so I can talk privately.

I called them up and he told me, he says,
"I got to talk to you man."

He said, "Your life is worth nothing?"

He says, "If you don't come back to the great
master tomorrow, it is going to be your last

chance."

And then he came to visit and he tried to
convince me and in two hours time that I could

come back to society, but I said, "No, no,
I'd be a loser."

"What do you mean you'll be losers?"

He says, "You'll be wealthy, you'll
be famous and you'll be doing a tremendous

work that could benefit the mankind."

I said, "I know exactly how Satan benefits
mankind.

Beside that," I said, "I got a new master,
and he's super wealthy.

Beside that not only does he promise me gold
and silver in abundance after the resurrection,

the first resurrection, but he promises me
a hundred million years of living plus and

he's told me, this is going to be just the
beginning of a good life."

So my friend looks at me he says, "You're
either crazy or you're telling an awesome

truth."

And I said, "I'm not crazy but I'm telling
you an awesome truth."