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: That a woman? - : Yeah.

: Is it supposed to be Natalie Varga?

: Well...

She's not been found guilty.

She was held for questioning. - Oh, come on. Everybody knows.

She made it look like a break-in. It's the oldest trick in the book.

The only thing that was missing was the murder weapon

and she had to get rid of that cos it's incriminating her.

There's a lamp in shot.

Where?

There.

No one's gonna notice that.

Who shot this for you? - Terry.

Terry.

Terry who got fired off the butter commercial because all the butter melted?

You give me a better budget, I'll get a better cameraman.

Anyway, it's not gonna play on its own like this.

You know, there's gonna be interviews and stuff all over it.

Are you hungry?

We're doing a criminologist on Wednesday.

We're out to neighbours, university friends.

George Varga's Hungarian, so his contacts are all out there.

What was he doing here?

He's an art dealer, collector.

Autopsy?

The only thing that's come out is he was whacked from the front.

Did she get the money?

Mm. It's complicated.

Have you tried her?

There is no way Natalie Varga is gonna talk to the likes of us. We're a tiny dog.

Seriously, you're lucky it's not me and Terry interviewing each other.

How was Spain?

Great, thanks. The kids hate me marginally less than they did before we went

and Pete lost his phone so he actually had to talk to us.

Oh!

: The press really do love an evil woman.

They just love evil.

So do the readers.

: The fact that she's beautiful doesn't help her.

: That and the fact she laughed when they questioned her.

Was that corroborated?

She hasn't denied it.

So, basically, a woman doesn't show the correct emotions in the correct order.

What about her alibi?

She could've got across town and back

before the CCTV cameras picked her up. Look, there's a chart.

A chart.

Didn't know we have a chart. Case closed.

: And the CCTV cameras at their house were off all day.

Well, it could have been him.

What was George Varga up to before he died?

I did not know we had money to go to Hungary and talk to people.

I hear the people in Hungary have phones.

Look.

She was a bit of a raver at Cambridge, she hooks up with a rich older dude--

"Bit of a raver"? - ...who conveniently winds up murdered.

Barbara.

She was flirting with the police when they arrested her.

Says who? The police?

They let her back in the house.

Yeah, they have to if you don't have anywhere else to go.

And what about family?

There's a mum, but they're estranged, so she doesn't want to talk to us.

And there's a brother, but he's dead, so he's not gonna talk to us either.

I think we should get you on to something a bit more...

What?

Less trashy.

Trashy pays the rent.

: Well, it's not a press conference as you or I would understand it.

Any media they deem hostile, including ourselves, have been excluded.

The question is whether those in the room

will push her on those inconsistencies in her account.

Here she is, Natalie Varga making her first public appearance since she was questioned...

: She looks like she's dressed for an awards do.

: Is that her lawyers?

: ...in Hungary, which they say police here...

No. PR. - ...have failed to follow up.

And no, they're going straight to questions.

: Why was your phone off all night?

Were you sleeping with Vera Dorati?

Tell him to fuck off.

: Why was the CCTV switched off at your house?

What the fuck is she doing?

OK, even I admit it's a bit mad.

: Are you going to answer any questions, Mrs Varga?

Don't you want to address any of the questions people have about you?

Don't you want to defend yourself?

She did it.

She definitely did it.

Laura? Laura, hi, my name's James Alden, I'm calling from Umbrella Pictures.

Bill, hi there.

My name's James Alden, I'm calling from Umbrella Pictures.

We're covering the George Varga case.

What we're looking for is any footage

that anyone might have on their home security.

Anything on the street, really, um...

Obviously, you're one of her neighbours, so...

: I'm not-- - No, no, I completely agree.

The press has been appalling.

No. - ...nothing like what they've been saying.

Exactly, that's why we're doing a much more sympathetic piece.

: I know, how have they not charged her yet?

: No other explanation. - It is. It is police incompetence.

Exactly. That's entirely the angle that we're coming from as well.

If there's anything that you wanna do to help her out, support her story...

: ...straight after today's press conference

which was all questions and no answers

there's now an interview with Natalie Varga's mother

who paints her daughter in pretty unflattering terms.

And in the last few minutes, the latest in this tit-for-tat

it's now revealed Natalie Varga's family

have criminal connections of their own.

Overall, I've got to say, it does still feel

Natalie Varga is the one with more questions to answer...

Hey. - : Are you still in bed?

No, I'm up.

I just got off the phone with Natalie Varga's legal representative.

Sorry, who called?

It was her lawyer.

At first, I thought they were asking for a copy of the doc

and they I thought, why wouldn't they just send legal--

Barbara, what did they say?

Well, that's the thing, very little.

She asked if you were still working on the production.

I said, yes, and then she asked if you were available to meet with Natalie Varga.

Boom!

Hi, this is James Alden, I have a 9:15 appointment.

: You're early. One moment, please.

Miss Varga will be with you shortly.

She would be grateful if you could please wait.

No problem.

Tell her to take as long as she likes.

I'll let her know.

May I help you? - Oh!

Uh, yeah, I was just looking for a bathroom.

This way.

Thanks.

Ms Varga is ready now.

Hi.

Mr Alden.

James. Please, James.

Natalie. Or Mrs Varga, I don't really mind.

Please have a seat.

I'm very sorry for your loss.

I'm so sorry to keep you waiting.

To be honest, I've just got up.

I had a bit of sleepless... Well, I didn't get any sleep.

I can't begin to imagine what you're going through.

Well, I just did this disastrous press conference. You probably saw it.

Where they told me not to answer any hostile questions

but, of course, all the questions were hostile

which meant I didn't answer any questions

and I was like a rabbit in the headlights.

I just felt so strange, you know, sitting there like a zombie, so I just...

I did this stupid smile which made me look...

Anyway, I think...

I'd be more suited doing a one-to-one interview.

Or a profile piece is what I think you people call it.

And just, like, the first step in undoing all that... damage.

Yeah, some of the press has been, uh...

horrendous.

Um, where would you do the interview?

If it was you?

Uh, we could-we could do it pretty much anywhere.

Here?

You've met Mrs Molnar?

Not formally.

You'd be liaising with me as to the exact content of the interview

and the location.

Were we to go ahead.

I mean, we'd be very careful.

We-we're really accustomed to shooting in expensive locations.

No cameras in the house.

Right, look, um...

Maybe I should talk to your lawyer. Uh, we could iron out all the details.

Mrs Molnar is my legal representative, so if you could run everything past her.

I'm completely out of my depth with this sort of thing.

But I trust her implicitly.

Right.

When did you stop being a serious journalist?

Uh!

I-I wasn't aware that I had.

Oh, sorry.

I didn't meant it like that, it's just Mrs Molnar

put together a kind of shortlist of who might be good to do an interview

and you were more of an investigative journalist a while back.

Well, I think I still can be.

On a good day.

But, I mean...

who were they again?

The VIP prostitution ring.

The, um...

undercover police scandal.

These were big stories

but more recently, you've been doing more...

commercial work.

Well, everyone has to make a living.

And there's just no budgets for deep investigative stuff anymore.

The police have been useless.

And they've made up their mind

I either killed my husband or had him killed.

You know, they may not be able to convict me.

Well, I'm assuming they can't because I didn't do it.

They're certainly not doing anything to find out who did it.

We have researched you, and it seems that in your earlier career

you made yourself extremely unpopular.

For doing whatever it takes to find the truth.

I'll give you the interview.

The one everyone wants.

But in return, I want you to find the person who killed my husband.

What did you make of her?

She's actually pretty nice, not at all like she comes across in the press.

Which, of course, could all be an act.

She had her lawyer with her, who I thought was a maid.

The whole thing was fucking bizarre.

Do you know anyone who knows anyone on the inquiry?

Barbara, no copper is gonna talk to me.

You're the only one beating yourself up over that.

No one holds a grudge against you.

Except you.

I can pull in some favours.

Look, whatever she asks, we're not gonna say no, are we?

You still think she did it?

Yeah. She's a bloody good actress.

Mrs Varga, welcome.

Um, allow me to introduce my producer, Barbara Curtis.

Very good to meet you.

It's called an Interrotron.

It's supposed to make the whole...

being interviewed thing feel less stressful

because you can feel like you're looking at me, rather than down the lens.

Interrotron. It's not the most relaxing word.

Agreed.

Natalie, in this first section, we'll just go over the more general questions

about you and your background.

OK?

James.

Let's... let's talk about your childhood, growing up.

Where was it? Uh, who are your parents? That kind of thing.

I was born in Bermondsey.

Well, my mum...

Mary, raised us really.

My brother Oliver and me.

My father I never really knew.

Uh, you mentioned your brother Oliver there.

Could you talk a little about him?

He...

Oliver...

died four years ago.

He took his own life.

I'm sorry.

It was an overdose.

He left a note, so...

we know it was deliberate.

Were you close?

We're twins. Well, we were.

We are twins.

Do you know why he did it? - I'm sorry, I-I...

I don't understand what that's got to do with this.

: It's a profile.

The more people know about you

the more they can understand why you present the way you do.

Like someone who killed her husband?

No.

Like someone who's been very badly hurt before...

and that's how they get through it.

Oliver got into trouble in Budapest.

He ran up debts with some bad people.

Mm...

He did some bad things himself.

He always came to me and I always bailed him out...

until I realised it wasn't doing him any good, so I stopped.

You have to do that with addicts.

It's... It's what everyone tells you.

And then he killed himself.

Well, that must have been unbelievably hard.

I blamed myself for ages.

You learn to come to terms with the fact

that there are some people you just can't save.

If it wasn't for George...

I wouldn't be around either.

Let's talk about him a bit.

I mean, my job, you know, it took me all over the world

but in Hungary, I met George.

George was a collector.

He always loved...

beautiful pieces, I suppose.

We met at an auction house in the Palace District.

We got talking, and he was interested in archaic Etruscan ceramics.

So, we continued our conversation along the Danube and...

I just remember, it was the most incredible sunshine.

It turned out he was lying about the Etruscan bit.

He had been swotting up from a brochure when he realised it was my area of expertise.

But...

by then I was...

I was falling in love with him.

Did you kill him?

I loved my husband.

And someone took him from me.

I want him caught and I want him punished.

That's enough for today.

What? Sorry? Yeah. Only James can call cut.

Cut!

We've only just begun!

We're finished for today.

Did you get what you needed?

It would be a lot better if you didn't have a minder with you.

I'll be even more nervous if she's not there.

Couldn't you see me shaking?

Look, if you really are feeling nervous...

put your thumb on these points here.

Acupressure.

And your thumb, your palm...

It relieves anxiety like that.

It really does work.

Do you ever get nervous?

Sure.

If you don't get a bit nervous, you're not doing it right.

Any other tips?

Try to nod when I'm asking questions. It makes it look like you agree with me.

And don't blink.

If you want people to believe you.

Mm. Now you're coaching the witness.

I'm not a prosecutor.

You should come round for dinner.

After we do the next interview.

Tell me what you've found.

Is there anything you don't eat?

Uh, no.

Oh, and you need to talk to Mrs Molnar.

Why, is she cooking? - No.

Just to discuss the terms before we do the next bit of the interview.

The terms?

: The tapes of the interview.

As part of our agreement, I take care of the tapes.

Right. Um, have you seen the provisional contract our legal department drew up?

This interview will only continue

so long as Mr Alden investigates this case.

: I'm sorry, that's not how documentaries work.

We can't split the interviews up over different days.

We need to shoot it all in one go.

Otherwise, we're gonna get into continuity errors

and the emotional continuity will be all over the place.

If you can demonstrate progress

Miss Varga, will, uh...

will submit to the next part of your profile.

She's holding our footage hostage.

Quid pro quo is the legal term.

Well, we're going to need a written contract of some sort.

That won't be happening.

The cards, please.

I will be careful.

I know how valuable they are.

We have arranged for you to meet with Vera Dorati.

After that, you can pursue the investigation any way you see fit.

Everyone is a suspect.

It's ridiculous. We've only got their word for it

we're even gonna get any more interviews.

She knows, she knows we've got just enough to get us interested

but not enough to actually make a documentary.

It's not her, it's Natalie calling the shots.

Oh, come on, Ms Molnar's got her claws in. Bloody lawyers!

She can't expect you to actually find the killer.

Thanks. - What? What's the rush?

I wanna see how long it takes to get from Vera's to Natalie's.

Google Maps?

Well, that's fine if you're driving at the speed limit

which if you're trying to fake an alibi after clubbing your husband to death

you're probably not.

Just a bit of basic journalism.

"I want him punished."

Huh?

"I want him caught and punished."

Why "him" and not "them"?

Just a bit of basic journalism.

3:54.

It's less than half an hour. And in early afternoon traffic.

Just cos she could make it there and back, doesn't mean she did.

Hi, uh, Vera?

James Alden.

We spoke on the phone.

I agreed with Molnar to talk to you. Who's this?

This is my producer Barbara Curtis.

No, this is not about your TV show. This is to find out who killed George Varga.

I'll be in the car.

: We went out for drinks in a bar in Shoreditch.

A lot of people saw us there.

There's CCTV footage that proves it. And they say what?

She could get an Uber over there and kill him?

That's just stupid.

Do you know if there was any trouble

between Natalie and her husband?

She was me all night. That's it.

: How did you meet Natalie?

She came to a show in Budapest.

We started talking and I liked her.

She's smart.

Then we saw each other through, you know, mutual friends.

And then her brother took his own life and I lost a friend too, so...

Anyway, we kind of bonded over that.

Was George part of the same set?

No, George was totally straight.

He's one of those people who makes their money in a boring world

and tries to buy some creativity.

Natalie, she understands the creative.

Were you sleeping together?

Sorry, Natalie said I should ask whatever I needed.

Before she met George.

Once they got together, no, of course not.

She's a good friend.

Friends are rare.

So, are we all done here?

Actually, I'm very interested in this.

: You like it?

Natalie has one exactly the same.

She commissioned me to do it, so I hope it's not in a skip.

Did she choose the subject?

One time I said that maybe we'd tried enough permutations.

It's the closest I've ever seen her to being angry.

I know what you're thinking.

This looks like blood.

I always tell Natalie that she's very sensitive.

I think she saw her husband's death before it happened.

But that night?

She was with me.

You see that guy?

He arrived about five minutes ago.

He was checking you out just now as you came out.

Yeah, he was outside Natalie's house. I thought he was a pap.

Maybe George Varga's friends have hired someone too.

: Tell us about the night George was murdered.

On the night he...

when it happened...

I was with a friend of mine.

Vera, she's an artist.

We had dinner together in east London

and then I went back to hers for drinks.

It got late, so I phoned George to say I was staying over.

I slept on her couch.

So, I woke up early.

I rang George...

thinking he'd be at work.

But he didn't answer.

I didn't think anything of it, I just thought, oh...

he must be busy.

So, I got to the house.

I made myself a coffee.

I was puzzled because...

there'd been no sign that he was home. So...

I rang his mobile.

About half an hour later, the cleaner found his body.

I know this is crazy, and...

people think I'm crazy, but...

when the police started questioning me as though I did it, as though I...

killed my own husband, I thought it was a joke.

So that's why I laughed.

Which the press have made into a big thing, but it was just...

That's how surreal it was.

The thing is, Natalie, I'm a bit confused.

Because you said that Vera was a friend.

And I spoke to her.

And she said you weren't friends.

And she told me that before you married George

that you were lovers.

It's true.

But that was years ago.

Before I met George and found out who I was.

Perhaps we should stop here.

Eight o'clock?

Great.

Just the three of us.

I shall expect to hear progress.

You play?

George did.

Ah.

You don't have to make conversation. We can talk shop.

The painting you commissioned.

She said you got obsessed with it.

You mustn't believe everything Vera tells you.

I commissioned it because she needs the money.

She's always been broke, ever since I've known her.

I mean, you're supposed to be finding out who killed him

not who I slept with ten years ago and what pictures I hang on the wall.

Her husband is...

Sorry.

...murdered

the way he was.

And you commissioned a painting like that?

Like what?

Like something happened to his head.

Really?

Well, it just looks very violent.

It could be my brother.

Could be a self-portrait.

Was your brother violent?

If I had murdered my husband

I'd be pretty mad to commission a painting about it before the fact.

Well, if the tabloids got hold of it, they'd have a field day.

Mrs Molnar...

told me about a case of yours.

A Laura somebody.

What'd she tell you?

Nothing really, just that, um...

Well, the case went wrong and you either quit or...

Um... Don't have to talk about it.

Is Barbara really your boss?

You don't speak to her like she's your boss. - That's cos we've known each other forever.

Did you go out with her?

If you want more than one word answers, you have to ask more open-ended questions.

Tell me about your relationship.

No.

Uh, we tried it.

Didn't work out. We're better as friends.

With or without benefits?

No, I'm like an annoying brother at this point.

I had one of those.

Sorry.

I seem to keep putting my foot in it.

Do I make you nervous?

I know a little trick for that.

It's just not very professional to be socialising with your subject.

I thought you'd get better dirt that way.

Anyway, we're not socialising. This is work.

You're here because you want an interview and let's not kid ourselves.

There's no real rapport going on here.

I am doing everything I can to find whoever killed your husband.

Do you want to see where it happened?

Forensics unsealed it yesterday.

Come on.

They keep saying the CCTV was switched off.

It wasn't.

It's been playing up for weeks.

George thought we'd been hacked.

And what if it was him?

Whoever he was meeting he didn't want me to know about.

Who do you think that was?

I don't know everything about his business.

Sure it was business?

If he was having an affair, I doubt he'd bring them back here.

You made a reconstruction.

Who told you that?

I'd like to see it.

I don't have it. It's at the office.

I think you can get it on your phone.

Another condition.

I'd rather you showed me because I asked you to.

There's my hand. Lovely.

You think I did it.

I thought you might have.

But now you're not sure.

Good night, James.

Thank you.

: I want him caught and I want him punished.

When did you stop being a serious journalist?

: That a woman?

: Trashy pays the rent.

: What did you do with their body, Mr Alden?

Hello?

: Mr Alden, I need you to come to the house.

Right now?

She's not well. I'm afraid she's gonna do something.

She got pills from the bathroom and she locked herself in her room.

She says she'll only speak to you.

: I have Mr Alden with me.

It's open.

I thought I could tell you...

Natalie.

Natalie.

You can trust me.

I know who killed him.

My brother.

He was charged with attempted murder.

He wanted to control every move I made.

: We can't use this.

You're a journalist. Not a fucking thief!

: We are investigating a murder.

You and your bloody ego.

He's trying to kill me.

We're out of here.

Fucking scum, this is my house!

She's unstable.

You gonna give me a kicking?

Get off me!

Keep pushing.

When was the last time you lost control like that?

: When I killed my husband.