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: That a woman?
- : Yeah.
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Is it supposed to be Natalie Varga?
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Well...
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She's not been found guilty.
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She was held for questioning.
- Oh, come on. Everybody knows.
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She made it look like a break-in.
It's the oldest trick in the book.
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The only thing that was missing
was the murder weapon
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and she had to get rid of that
cos it's incriminating her.
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There's a lamp in shot.
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Where?
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There.
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No one's gonna notice that.
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Who shot this for you?
- Terry.
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Terry.
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Terry who got fired off the butter commercial
because all the butter melted?
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You give me a better budget,
I'll get a better cameraman.
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Anyway, it's not gonna play
on its own like this.
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You know, there's gonna be
interviews and stuff all over it.
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Are you hungry?
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We're doing a criminologist on Wednesday.
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We're out to neighbours, university friends.
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George Varga's Hungarian,
so his contacts are all out there.
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What was he doing here?
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He's an art dealer, collector.
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Autopsy?
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The only thing that's come out
is he was whacked from the front.
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Did she get the money?
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Mm. It's complicated.
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Have you tried her?
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There is no way Natalie Varga is gonna talk
to the likes of us. We're a tiny dog.
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Seriously, you're lucky it's not me
and Terry interviewing each other.
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How was Spain?
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Great, thanks. The kids hate me marginally
less than they did before we went
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and Pete lost his phone
so he actually had to talk to us.
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Oh!
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The press really do love an evil woman.
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They just love evil.
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So do the readers.
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: The fact that she's beautiful
doesn't help her.
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: That and the fact she laughed
when they questioned her.
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Was that corroborated?
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She hasn't denied it.
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So, basically, a woman doesn't show
the correct emotions in the correct order.
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What about her alibi?
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She could've got across town and back
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before the CCTV cameras picked her up.
Look, there's a chart.
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A chart.
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Didn't know we have a chart. Case closed.
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: And the CCTV cameras
at their house were off all day.
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Well, it could have been him.
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What was George Varga up to before he died?
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I did not know we had money
to go to Hungary and talk to people.
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I hear the people in Hungary have phones.
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Look.
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She was a bit of a raver at Cambridge,
she hooks up with a rich older dude--
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"Bit of a raver"?
- ...who conveniently winds up murdered.
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Barbara.
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She was flirting with the police
when they arrested her.
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Says who? The police?
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They let her back in the house.
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Yeah, they have to
if you don't have anywhere else to go.
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And what about family?
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There's a mum, but they're estranged,
so she doesn't want to talk to us.
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And there's a brother, but he's dead,
so he's not gonna talk to us either.
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I think we should get you on to something
a bit more...
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What?
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Less trashy.
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Trashy pays the rent.
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: Well, it's not a pressconference as you or I would understand it.
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Any media they deem hostile,including ourselves, have been excluded.
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The question is whether those in the room
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will push her on those inconsistenciesin her account.
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Here she is, Natalie Varga making her firstpublic appearance since she was questioned...
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: She looks like she's dressed
for an awards do.
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Is that her lawyers?
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: ...in Hungary,which they say police here...
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No. PR.
- ...have failed to follow up.
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And no, they're going straight to questions.
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Why was your phone off all night?
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Were you sleeping with Vera Dorati?
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Tell him to fuck off.
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: Why was the CCTVswitched off at your house?
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What the fuck is she doing?
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OK, even I admit it's a bit mad.
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: Are you going to answerany questions, Mrs Varga?
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Don't you want to addressany of the questions people have about you?
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Don't you want to defend yourself?
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She did it.
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She definitely did it.
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Laura? Laura, hi, my name's James Alden,
I'm calling from Umbrella Pictures.
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Bill, hi there.
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My name's James Alden,
I'm calling from Umbrella Pictures.
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We're covering the George Varga case.
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What we're looking for is any footage
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that anyone might have
on their home security.
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Anything on the street, really, um...
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Obviously, you're one
of her neighbours, so...
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: I'm not--- No, no, I completely agree.
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The press has been appalling.
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No.
- ...nothing like what they've been saying.
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Exactly, that's why we're doing
a much more sympathetic piece.
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I know, how have they not charged her yet?
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: No other explanation.
- It is. It is police incompetence.
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Exactly. That's entirely the angle
that we're coming from as well.
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If there's anything that you wanna do
to help her out, support her story...
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...straight after today's press conference
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which was all questions and no answers
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there's now an interviewwith Natalie Varga's mother
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who paints her daughterin pretty unflattering terms.
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And in the last few minutes,the latest in this tit-for-tat
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it's now revealed Natalie Varga's family
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have criminal connections of their own.
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Overall, I've got to say,it does still feel
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Natalie Varga is the onewith more questions to answer...
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Hey.
- : Are you still in bed?
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No, I'm up.
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I just got off the phonewith Natalie Varga's legal representative.
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Sorry, who called?
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It was her lawyer.
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At first, I thought they were asking
for a copy of the doc
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and they I thought,
why wouldn't they just send legal--
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Barbara, what did they say?
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Well, that's the thing, very little.
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She asked if you were still workingon the production.
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I said, yes, and then she asked if you were
available to meet with Natalie Varga.
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Boom!
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Hi, this is James Alden,
I have a 9:15 appointment.
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You're early. One moment, please.
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Miss Varga will be with you shortly.
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She would be grateful
if you could please wait.
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No problem.
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Tell her to take as long as she likes.
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I'll let her know.
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May I help you?
- Oh!
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Uh, yeah, I was just looking
for a bathroom.
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This way.
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Thanks.
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Ms Varga is ready now.
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Hi.
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Mr Alden.
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James. Please, James.
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Natalie. Or Mrs Varga, I don't really mind.
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Please have a seat.
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I'm very sorry for your loss.
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I'm so sorry to keep you waiting.
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To be honest, I've just got up.
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I had a bit of sleepless...
Well, I didn't get any sleep.
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I can't begin to imagine
what you're going through.
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Well, I just did this disastrous
press conference. You probably saw it.
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Where they told me not to answer
any hostile questions
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but, of course,
all the questions were hostile
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which meant I didn't answer any questions
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and I was like a rabbit in the headlights.
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I just felt so strange, you know,
sitting there like a zombie, so I just...
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I did this stupid smile which made me look...
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Anyway, I think...
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I'd be more suited
doing a one-to-one interview.
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Or a profile piece is what I think
you people call it.
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And just, like, the first step
in undoing all that... damage.
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Yeah, some of the press has been, uh...
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horrendous.
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Um, where would you do the interview?
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If it was you?
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Uh, we could-we could do it
pretty much anywhere.
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Here?
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You've met Mrs Molnar?
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Not formally.
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You'd be liaising with me
as to the exact content of the interview
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and the location.
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Were we to go ahead.
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I mean, we'd be very careful.
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We-we're really accustomed
to shooting in expensive locations.
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No cameras in the house.
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Right, look, um...
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Maybe I should talk to your lawyer.
Uh, we could iron out all the details.
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Mrs Molnar is my legal representative,
so if you could run everything past her.
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I'm completely out of my depth
with this sort of thing.
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But I trust her implicitly.
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Right.
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When did you stop being a serious journalist?
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Uh!
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I-I wasn't aware that I had.
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Oh, sorry.
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I didn't meant it like that,
it's just Mrs Molnar
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put together a kind of shortlist
of who might be good to do an interview
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and you were more of an investigative
journalist a while back.
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Well, I think I still can be.
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On a good day.
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But, I mean...
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who were they again?
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The VIP prostitution ring.
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The, um...
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undercover police scandal.
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These were big stories
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but more recently, you've been doing more...
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commercial work.
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Well, everyone has to make a living.
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And there's just no budgets
for deep investigative stuff anymore.
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The police have been useless.
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And they've made up their mind
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I either killed my husband
or had him killed.
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You know, they may not be able to convict me.
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Well, I'm assuming they can't
because I didn't do it.
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They're certainly not doing anything
to find out who did it.
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We have researched you, and it seems
that in your earlier career
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you made yourself extremely unpopular.
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For doing whatever it takes
to find the truth.
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I'll give you the interview.
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The one everyone wants.
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But in return, I want you to find the person
who killed my husband.
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What did you make of her?
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She's actually pretty nice, not at all like
she comes across in the press.
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Which, of course, could all be an act.
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She had her lawyer with her,
who I thought was a maid.
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The whole thing was fucking bizarre.
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Do you know anyone who knows anyone
on the inquiry?
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Barbara, no copper is gonna talk to me.
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You're the only one beating yourself up
over that.
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No one holds a grudge against you.
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Except you.
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I can pull in some favours.
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Look, whatever she asks,
we're not gonna say no, are we?
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You still think she did it?
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Yeah. She's a bloody good actress.
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Mrs Varga, welcome.
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Um, allow me to introduce my producer,
Barbara Curtis.
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Very good to meet you.
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It's called an Interrotron.
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It's supposed to make the whole...
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being interviewed thing feel less stressful
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because you can feel like you're looking
at me, rather than down the lens.
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Interrotron. It's not the most relaxing word.
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Agreed.
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Natalie, in this first section, we'll just
go over the more general questions
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about you and your background.
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OK?
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James.
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Let's... let's talk about your childhood,
growing up.
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Where was it? Uh, who are your parents?
That kind of thing.
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I was born in Bermondsey.
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Well, my mum...
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Mary, raised us really.
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My brother Oliver and me.
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My father I never really knew.
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Uh, you mentioned your brother Oliver there.
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Could you talk a little about him?
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He...
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Oliver...
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died four years ago.
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He took his own life.
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I'm sorry.
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It was an overdose.
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He left a note, so...
254
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we know it was deliberate.
255
00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:25,480
Were you close?
256
00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:28,720
We're twins. Well, we were.
257
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We are twins.
258
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Do you know why he did it?
- I'm sorry, I-I...
259
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I don't understand
what that's got to do with this.
260
00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:41,520
:
It's a profile.
261
00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,560
The more people know about you
262
00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,080
the more they can understand
why you present the way you do.
263
00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:48,840
Like someone who killed her husband?
264
00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:49,920
No.
265
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,640
Like someone
who's been very badly hurt before...
266
00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,360
and that's how they get through it.
267
00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,360
Oliver got into trouble in Budapest.
268
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,760
He ran up debts with some bad people.
269
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:15,720
Mm...
270
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,360
He did some bad things himself.
271
00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:21,800
He always came to me
and I always bailed him out...
272
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,800
until I realised it wasn't doing him
any good, so I stopped.
273
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,560
You have to do that with addicts.
274
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,160
It's... It's what everyone tells you.
275
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And then he killed himself.
276
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,600
Well, that must have been unbelievably hard.
277
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,680
I blamed myself for ages.
278
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,160
You learn to come to terms with the fact
279
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that there are some people
you just can't save.
280
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If it wasn't for George...
281
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I wouldn't be around either.
282
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,480
Let's talk about him a bit.
283
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,440
I mean, my job, you know,
it took me all over the world
284
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,920
but in Hungary, I met George.
285
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:14,640
George was a collector.
286
00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:18,560
He always loved...
287
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,480
beautiful pieces, I suppose.
288
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,880
We met at an auction house
in the Palace District.
289
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,800
We got talking, and he was interested
in archaic Etruscan ceramics.
290
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,880
So, we continued our conversation
along the Danube and...
291
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:44,120
I just remember,
it was the most incredible sunshine.
292
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,000
It turned out he was lying
about the Etruscan bit.
293
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:59,720
He had been swotting up from a brochure
when he realised it was my area of expertise.
294
00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:02,120
But...
295
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:04,560
by then I was...
296
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,440
I was falling in love with him.
297
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:16,440
Did you kill him?
298
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,480
I loved my husband.
299
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,160
And someone took him from me.
300
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,440
I want him caught and I want him punished.
301
00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:37,360
That's enough for today.
302
00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:41,280
What? Sorry? Yeah.
Only James can call cut.
303
00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:42,360
Cut!
304
00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:44,760
We've only just begun!
305
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,240
We're finished for today.
306
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,400
Did you get what you needed?
307
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,400
It would be a lot better if you didn't
have a minder with you.
308
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,560
I'll be even more nervous if she's not there.
309
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:10,680
Couldn't you see me shaking?
310
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,680
Look, if you really are feeling nervous...
311
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,520
put your thumb on these points here.
312
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:24,800
Acupressure.
313
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,040
And your thumb, your palm...
314
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,320
It relieves anxiety like that.
315
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:39,800
It really does work.
316
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,200
Do you ever get nervous?
317
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,120
Sure.
318
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,160
If you don't get a bit nervous,
you're not doing it right.
319
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,400
Any other tips?
320
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,320
Try to nod when I'm asking questions.
It makes it look like you agree with me.
321
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:58,160
And don't blink.
322
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,240
If you want people to believe you.
323
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,160
Mm. Now you're coaching the witness.
324
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:05,920
I'm not a prosecutor.
325
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:08,760
You should come round for dinner.
326
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,640
After we do the next interview.
327
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,080
Tell me what you've found.
328
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,640
Is there anything you don't eat?
329
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:19,360
Uh, no.
330
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,280
Oh, and you need to talk to Mrs Molnar.
331
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,640
Why, is she cooking?
- No.
332
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,800
Just to discuss the terms before
we do the next bit of the interview.
333
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:29,840
The terms?
334
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,120
:
The tapes of the interview.
335
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,640
As part of our agreement,
I take care of the tapes.
336
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:46,000
Right. Um, have you seen the provisional
contract our legal department drew up?
337
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,760
This interview will only continue
338
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,040
so long as Mr Alden
investigates this case.
339
00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:55,000
: I'm sorry,
that's not how documentaries work.
340
00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:57,800
We can't split the interviews up
over different days.
341
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,320
We need to shoot it all in one go.
342
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,520
Otherwise, we're gonna
get into continuity errors
343
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,880
and the emotional continuity
will be all over the place.
344
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,480
If you can demonstrate progress
345
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,760
Miss Varga, will, uh...
346
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,480
will submit to the next part of your profile.
347
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,040
She's holding our footage hostage.
348
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,960
Quid pro quo is the legal term.
349
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,840
Well, we're going to need a written contract
of some sort.
350
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,280
That won't be happening.
351
00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:31,480
The cards, please.
352
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:35,720
I will be careful.
353
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,520
I know how valuable they are.
354
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,880
We have arranged for you
to meet with Vera Dorati.
355
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,880
After that, you can pursue the investigation
any way you see fit.
356
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,000
Everyone is a suspect.
357
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,520
It's ridiculous.
We've only got their word for it
358
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,520
we're even gonna get any more interviews.
359
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,480
She knows, she knows we've got just enough
to get us interested
360
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,080
but not enough to actually make
a documentary.
361
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,680
It's not her, it's Natalie calling the shots.
362
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,920
Oh, come on, Ms Molnar's got her claws in.
Bloody lawyers!
363
00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:11,520
She can't expect you
to actually find the killer.
364
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,480
Thanks.
- What? What's the rush?
365
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,000
I wanna see how long it takes
to get from Vera's to Natalie's.
366
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,000
Google Maps?
367
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,920
Well, that's fine if you're
driving at the speed limit
368
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,320
which if you're trying to fake an alibi
after clubbing your husband to death
369
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,400
you're probably not.
370
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,320
Just a bit of basic journalism.
371
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,680
"I want him punished."
372
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:34,760
Huh?
373
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,080
"I want him caught and punished."
374
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,480
Why "him" and not "them"?
375
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,920
Just a bit of basic journalism.
376
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,360
3:54.
377
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,800
It's less than half an hour.
And in early afternoon traffic.
378
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,920
Just cos she could make it there and back,
doesn't mean she did.
379
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,720
Hi, uh, Vera?
380
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:35,640
James Alden.
381
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:36,640
We spoke on the phone.
382
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,000
I agreed with Molnar to talk to you.
Who's this?
383
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,160
This is my producer Barbara Curtis.
384
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,000
No, this is not about your TV show.
This is to find out who killed George Varga.
385
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,080
I'll be in the car.
386
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,920
: We went out for drinks
in a bar in Shoreditch.
387
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,240
A lot of people saw us there.
388
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,360
There's CCTV footage that proves it.
And they say what?
389
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,320
She could get an Uber over there
and kill him?
390
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:16,800
That's just stupid.
391
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,000
Do you know if there was any trouble
392
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,160
between Natalie and her husband?
393
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,480
She was me all night. That's it.
394
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,440
:
How did you meet Natalie?
395
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,120
She came to a show in Budapest.
396
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,240
We started talking and I liked her.
397
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:39,640
She's smart.
398
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,520
Then we saw each other through,
you know, mutual friends.
399
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,040
And then her brother took his own life
and I lost a friend too, so...
400
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,160
Anyway, we kind of bonded over that.
401
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,680
Was George part of the same set?
402
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,680
No, George was totally straight.
403
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,120
He's one of those people who makes
their money in a boring world
404
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,720
and tries to buy some creativity.
405
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,640
Natalie, she understands the creative.
406
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,280
Were you sleeping together?
407
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,480
Sorry, Natalie said I should ask
whatever I needed.
408
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,120
Before she met George.
409
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,240
Once they got together, no, of course not.
410
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,600
She's a good friend.
411
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:18,840
Friends are rare.
412
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,440
So, are we all done here?
413
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,960
Actually, I'm very interested in this.
414
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,280
:
You like it?
415
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:29,680
Natalie has one exactly the same.
416
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,520
She commissioned me to do it,
so I hope it's not in a skip.
417
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:36,840
Did she choose the subject?
418
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,200
One time I said that maybe
we'd tried enough permutations.
419
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,160
It's the closest I've ever seen her
to being angry.
420
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:51,880
I know what you're thinking.
421
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,160
This looks like blood.
422
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,200
I always tell Natalie
that she's very sensitive.
423
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,400
I think she saw her husband's death
before it happened.
424
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,280
But that night?
425
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,200
She was with me.
426
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:18,800
You see that guy?
427
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,520
He arrived about five minutes ago.
428
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,280
He was checking you out just now
as you came out.
429
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,000
Yeah, he was outside Natalie's house.
I thought he was a pap.
430
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,200
Maybe George Varga's friends
have hired someone too.
431
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,080
:
Tell us about the night George was murdered.
432
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:25,760
On the night he...
433
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,200
when it happened...
434
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,480
I was with a friend of mine.
435
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:35,480
Vera, she's an artist.
436
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,200
We had dinner together in east London
437
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,040
and then I went back to hers for drinks.
438
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,040
It got late,
so I phoned George to say I was staying over.
439
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,240
I slept on her couch.
440
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,600
So, I woke up early.
441
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:57,440
I rang George...
442
00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:59,760
thinking he'd be at work.
443
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,520
But he didn't answer.
444
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,840
I didn't think anything of it,
I just thought, oh...
445
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:08,840
he must be busy.
446
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,760
So, I got to the house.
447
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,160
I made myself a coffee.
448
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,400
I was puzzled because...
449
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,080
there'd been no sign
that he was home. So...
450
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:31,920
I rang his mobile.
451
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,960
About half an hour later,
the cleaner found his body.
452
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,640
I know this is crazy, and...
453
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,920
people think I'm crazy, but...
454
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,960
when the police started questioning me
as though I did it, as though I...
455
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,680
killed my own husband,
I thought it was a joke.
456
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,120
So that's why I laughed.
457
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,200
Which the press have made into a big thing,
but it was just...
458
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,840
That's how surreal it was.
459
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,320
The thing is, Natalie,
I'm a bit confused.
460
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,000
Because you said that Vera was a friend.
461
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,400
And I spoke to her.
462
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,040
And she said you weren't friends.
463
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,040
And she told me
that before you married George
464
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,520
that you were lovers.
465
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:04,760
It's true.
466
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:09,920
But that was years ago.
467
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,600
Before I met George and found out who I was.
468
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,920
Perhaps we should stop here.
469
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,160
Eight o'clock?
470
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,000
Great.
471
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,200
Just the three of us.
472
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,200
I shall expect to hear progress.
473
00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:54,400
You play?
474
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:56,800
George did.
475
00:34:58,240 --> 00:34:59,240
Ah.
476
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,080
You don't have to make conversation.
We can talk shop.
477
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,040
The painting you commissioned.
478
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,600
She said you got obsessed with it.
479
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,560
You mustn't believe everything
Vera tells you.
480
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,680
I commissioned it
because she needs the money.
481
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,040
She's always been broke,
ever since I've known her.
482
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,920
I mean, you're supposed to be finding out
who killed him
483
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,680
not who I slept with ten years ago
and what pictures I hang on the wall.
484
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:36,920
Her husband is...
485
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,040
Sorry.
486
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,160
...murdered
487
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,200
the way he was.
488
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,400
And you commissioned a painting like that?
489
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,120
Like what?
490
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,400
Like something happened to his head.
491
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,360
Really?
492
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,600
Well, it just looks very violent.
493
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,080
It could be my brother.
494
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,120
Could be a self-portrait.
495
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:11,120
Was your brother violent?
496
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,760
If I had murdered my husband
497
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,840
I'd be pretty mad to commission a painting
about it before the fact.
498
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,200
Well, if the tabloids got hold of it,
they'd have a field day.
499
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:22,760
Mrs Molnar...
500
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,480
told me about a case of yours.
501
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:28,760
A Laura somebody.
502
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:31,440
What'd she tell you?
503
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,320
Nothing really, just that, um...
504
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:38,000
Well, the case went wrong
and you either quit or...
505
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,600
Um... Don't have to talk about it.
506
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,640
Is Barbara really your boss?
507
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,320
You don't speak to her like she's your boss.
- That's cos we've known each other forever.
508
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:53,800
Did you go out with her?
509
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,680
If you want more than one word answers,
you have to ask more open-ended questions.
510
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,400
Tell me about your relationship.
511
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:02,680
No.
512
00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:08,360
Uh, we tried it.
513
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,600
Didn't work out. We're better as friends.
514
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:12,520
With or without benefits?
515
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,040
No, I'm like an annoying brother
at this point.
516
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,800
I had one of those.
517
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,160
Sorry.
518
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,160
I seem to keep putting my foot in it.
519
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,360
Do I make you nervous?
520
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,360
I know a little trick for that.
521
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,960
It's just not very professional
to be socialising with your subject.
522
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,960
I thought you'd get better dirt that way.
523
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,000
Anyway, we're not socialising. This is work.
524
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,040
You're here because you want an interview
and let's not kid ourselves.
525
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,520
There's no real rapport going on here.
526
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,720
I am doing everything I can
to find whoever killed your husband.
527
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,840
Do you want to see where it happened?
528
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,240
Forensics unsealed it yesterday.
529
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:01,400
Come on.
530
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,640
They keep saying the CCTV was switched off.
531
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:18,640
It wasn't.
532
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,200
It's been playing up for weeks.
533
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,720
George thought we'd been hacked.
534
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,640
And what if it was him?
535
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,040
Whoever he was meeting
he didn't want me to know about.
536
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:38,240
Who do you think that was?
537
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:40,960
I don't know everything about his business.
538
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,280
Sure it was business?
539
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,760
If he was having an affair,
I doubt he'd bring them back here.
540
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,440
You made a reconstruction.
541
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:57,520
Who told you that?
542
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:58,720
I'd like to see it.
543
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,000
I don't have it. It's at the office.
544
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,920
I think you can get it on your phone.
545
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,080
Another condition.
546
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,600
I'd rather you showed me
because I asked you to.
547
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,880
There's my hand. Lovely.
548
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,080
You think I did it.
549
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:48,920
I thought you might have.
550
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:50,960
But now you're not sure.
551
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:02,520
Good night, James.
552
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,400
Thank you.
553
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,640
:
I want him caught and I want him punished.
554
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,280
When did you stop being a serious journalist?
555
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:20,440
:
That a woman?
556
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,600
:
Trashy pays the rent.
557
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:27,880
:
What did you do with their body, Mr Alden?
558
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:09,480
Hello?
559
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,560
:
Mr Alden, I need you to come to the house.
560
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:13,760
Right now?
561
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,280
She's not well.
I'm afraid she's gonna do something.
562
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,920
She got pills from the bathroom
and she locked herself in her room.
563
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,760
She says she'll only speak to you.
564
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,560
:
I have Mr Alden with me.
565
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:33,920
It's open.
566
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,440
I thought I could tell you...
567
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:11,520
Natalie.
568
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:16,160
Natalie.
569
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,520
You can trust me.
570
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:29,680
I know who killed him.
571
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:34,120
My brother.
572
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,400
He was charged with attempted murder.
573
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,680
He wanted to control every move I made.
574
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:43,960
:
We can't use this.
575
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,360
You're a journalist. Not a fucking thief!
576
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,680
:
We are investigating a murder.
577
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,240
You and your bloody ego.
578
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,200
He's trying to kill me.
579
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:54,360
We're out of here.
580
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,360
Fucking scum, this is my house!
581
00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:59,640
She's unstable.
582
00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:00,760
You gonna give me a kicking?
583
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:01,760
Get off me!
584
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:02,760
Keep pushing.
585
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,240
When was the last time
you lost control like that?
586
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:05,400
:
When I killed my husband.44607
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