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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,757 --> 00:00:04,257 (tense music) 2 00:00:16,292 --> 00:00:18,625 (dog barks) 3 00:00:29,206 --> 00:00:31,706 (tense music) 4 00:00:51,630 --> 00:00:52,500 - Hey, folks. 5 00:00:52,500 --> 00:00:54,843 Right now it's 3:47 a.m., okay? 6 00:00:56,630 --> 00:00:58,980 In about five minutes, six minutes is the actual time 7 00:00:58,980 --> 00:01:00,960 of the accident, so just to go over, 8 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,460 we sort of gather in a circle here each year 9 00:01:02,460 --> 00:01:04,050 for the past 38 years. 10 00:01:04,050 --> 00:01:05,310 We actually should be over that line, 11 00:01:05,310 --> 00:01:06,143 but you can't see it. 12 00:01:06,143 --> 00:01:08,130 This is the line that we crossed many years ago. 13 00:01:08,130 --> 00:01:10,524 - [Speaker] We got arrested, this line. 14 00:01:10,524 --> 00:01:12,539 - I think most of the people here have been arrested 15 00:01:12,539 --> 00:01:14,190 and taken away. 16 00:01:14,190 --> 00:01:17,970 And what we're gonna do is take a moment of silence at 3:52 17 00:01:17,970 --> 00:01:19,805 and we'll go from there, okay? 18 00:01:19,805 --> 00:01:22,805 (train horn blares) 19 00:01:40,265 --> 00:01:43,015 (train clatters) 20 00:01:55,588 --> 00:01:56,815 - She wants the mothers. 21 00:01:56,815 --> 00:01:58,815 - Oh, we're the mothers. 22 00:02:00,828 --> 00:02:01,661 - I want to tape you guys. 23 00:02:01,661 --> 00:02:04,320 Tell us about how you formed this group. 24 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:05,273 - Sure, sure. 25 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,229 - In early 2018, I was contacted by a woman 26 00:02:10,229 --> 00:02:11,880 who had been following my writing 27 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,103 on women and nuclear disasters. 28 00:02:15,180 --> 00:02:18,510 She said, "My family and I lived through the meltdown 29 00:02:18,510 --> 00:02:20,010 at Three Mile Island. 30 00:02:20,010 --> 00:02:23,007 Please come for the anniversary of the accident." 31 00:02:24,180 --> 00:02:28,803 And that's how I came to meet Linda, Beth, Paula, and Joyce. 32 00:02:31,620 --> 00:02:34,203 (solemn music) 33 00:02:51,061 --> 00:02:53,561 (birds chirp) 34 00:02:59,899 --> 00:03:01,290 Can I ask you something? 35 00:03:01,290 --> 00:03:03,571 I mean, I've never heard all these stories before. 36 00:03:03,571 --> 00:03:05,910 I mean, I knew there was an accident at Three Mile Island, 37 00:03:05,910 --> 00:03:07,950 but really, until I met you all. 38 00:03:07,950 --> 00:03:10,563 - Yeah, I know, we were here at the beginning. 39 00:03:10,563 --> 00:03:11,997 - I didn't hear what it was like for the people 40 00:03:11,997 --> 00:03:14,430 and for mothers with kids and just- 41 00:03:14,430 --> 00:03:16,970 - You didn't hear it because they squashed it. 42 00:03:16,970 --> 00:03:17,971 They denied. 43 00:03:17,971 --> 00:03:22,301 They denied full access of the information to people. 44 00:03:22,301 --> 00:03:23,520 - Well, that would humanize the problem 45 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:24,810 and they did not want that. 46 00:03:24,810 --> 00:03:25,740 We were human. 47 00:03:25,740 --> 00:03:27,060 We were being human. 48 00:03:27,060 --> 00:03:29,700 - They would say, "Go home and bake cookies, 49 00:03:29,700 --> 00:03:31,440 and you know, we're taking care of business." 50 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,860 But it was that whole idea that we would not let go 51 00:03:34,860 --> 00:03:38,940 because it was that gut instinct that we knew better. 52 00:03:38,940 --> 00:03:39,900 We knew better. 53 00:03:39,900 --> 00:03:42,300 - Before the accident, were you worried about the plant? 54 00:03:42,300 --> 00:03:43,752 Did you think about it? 55 00:03:43,752 --> 00:03:46,692 - I knew nothing about a nuclear power plant. 56 00:03:46,692 --> 00:03:51,692 - I knew the plant was there, but as I washed my dishes, 57 00:03:51,750 --> 00:03:53,730 out of my kitchen window, 58 00:03:53,730 --> 00:03:55,893 I could see the tops of the towers. 59 00:03:56,970 --> 00:03:58,800 I knew it was a form of energy, 60 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,520 but I had no idea, not a clue. 61 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,490 - We were typical middle America. 62 00:04:05,490 --> 00:04:07,920 - I can remember- - Mom and apple pie, we were. 63 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,790 - I can remember going to ball games that summer 64 00:04:11,790 --> 00:04:12,990 after the accident, 65 00:04:12,990 --> 00:04:15,510 being pregnant and just crying all the time. 66 00:04:15,510 --> 00:04:19,740 I went to church, I just cried all the time. 67 00:04:19,740 --> 00:04:23,310 And it was like, okay, I can't keep living like this. 68 00:04:23,310 --> 00:04:24,873 I need answers. 69 00:04:25,860 --> 00:04:27,360 - [Heidi] If you go to the website 70 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,650 of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, also known as the NRC, 71 00:04:31,650 --> 00:04:34,537 you'll find an official statement that says, 72 00:04:34,537 --> 00:04:37,680 "In spite of serious damage to the reactor, 73 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,560 the actual release had negligible effects 74 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:44,097 on the physical health of individuals or the environment." 75 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,300 But negligible effects is definitely not how Linda, 76 00:04:48,300 --> 00:04:50,970 Beth, Joyce, and Paula would describe the impact 77 00:04:50,970 --> 00:04:53,430 of the accident on their families. 78 00:04:53,430 --> 00:04:57,000 And neither would the others that the moms led me to, 79 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,090 a former plant worker, a lawyer, and a journalist 80 00:05:00,090 --> 00:05:03,390 who was one of the first to report on the accident. 81 00:05:03,390 --> 00:05:05,250 - I was a young reporter. 82 00:05:05,250 --> 00:05:09,750 I had been hired right out of college to WKBO in Harrisburg 83 00:05:09,750 --> 00:05:12,060 to co-anchor the morning news. 84 00:05:12,060 --> 00:05:14,370 Mike Pintek was my boss. 85 00:05:14,370 --> 00:05:16,680 So we went through our newscast 86 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,220 and our traffic reporter, Captain Dave, 87 00:05:20,220 --> 00:05:22,747 contacts us on the CB radio and says, 88 00:05:22,747 --> 00:05:25,380 "Mike, I'm hearing something on the scanners 89 00:05:25,380 --> 00:05:27,660 about activity at Three Mile Island. 90 00:05:27,660 --> 00:05:31,830 And by the way, there's no steam coming out of unit two." 91 00:05:31,830 --> 00:05:35,520 Mike meanwhile gets the phone number for Three Mile Island, 92 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,010 and the operator was so flustered, 93 00:05:38,010 --> 00:05:42,060 she patches him in directly to the control room. 94 00:05:42,060 --> 00:05:43,860 And the guy picks up the phone, 95 00:05:43,860 --> 00:05:46,020 Mike says, "I understand something's going on." 96 00:05:46,020 --> 00:05:48,900 He said, "This is an emergency, I can't talk. 97 00:05:48,900 --> 00:05:50,100 You need to call Reading." 98 00:05:50,100 --> 00:05:52,050 'Cause Reading was where the office 99 00:05:52,050 --> 00:05:54,750 of Metropolitan Edison Company was located. 100 00:05:54,750 --> 00:05:56,040 So Mike did verify 101 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,220 that a general emergency had been declared, 102 00:05:59,220 --> 00:06:02,610 but there was no immediate danger to the public. 103 00:06:02,610 --> 00:06:05,370 It was the first word to the general public 104 00:06:05,370 --> 00:06:08,133 about what was happening at Three Mile Island. 105 00:06:08,970 --> 00:06:11,760 - [Mike] This is Mike Pintek in the KBO newsroom. 106 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,890 Met-Ed company officials had to shut down 107 00:06:13,890 --> 00:06:16,140 their Three Mile Island nuclear power station 108 00:06:16,140 --> 00:06:19,050 unit number two this morning, after an accident occurred 109 00:06:19,050 --> 00:06:20,670 within the plant's turbine system. 110 00:06:20,670 --> 00:06:22,273 Officials have been saying 111 00:06:22,273 --> 00:06:24,204 that there is no danger to the general public 112 00:06:24,204 --> 00:06:27,270 and that the situation is under control. 113 00:06:27,270 --> 00:06:28,500 - Once the accident happened, 114 00:06:28,500 --> 00:06:31,350 we started getting phone calls early that morning, 115 00:06:31,350 --> 00:06:34,140 asking if we had heard about Three Mile Island yet. 116 00:06:34,140 --> 00:06:37,620 And these were my friends who were my ex-coworkers. 117 00:06:37,620 --> 00:06:39,780 And I said, "No, I hadn't heard this." 118 00:06:39,780 --> 00:06:40,740 And they said, "You have no idea. 119 00:06:40,740 --> 00:06:43,080 You gotta turn on the news, check this out. 120 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:44,220 It's melting." 121 00:06:44,220 --> 00:06:45,210 And I went, "What do you mean it's melting?" 122 00:06:45,210 --> 00:06:47,060 He says, "They're having a meltdown." 123 00:06:48,420 --> 00:06:49,710 - A few hours in there, 124 00:06:49,710 --> 00:06:53,460 they start getting temperature readings in the containment. 125 00:06:53,460 --> 00:06:56,220 They were getting 2,500 degrees. 126 00:06:56,220 --> 00:07:00,960 That immediately told them serious core damage. 127 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:05,250 Then, that afternoon there was a hydrogen explosion. 128 00:07:05,250 --> 00:07:06,540 They heard a thud, 129 00:07:06,540 --> 00:07:10,410 they saw on their control panels a pressure spike. 130 00:07:10,410 --> 00:07:14,040 There's only a hydrogen explosion in a plant like that 131 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,980 when there is serious core damage. 132 00:07:16,980 --> 00:07:19,140 We're talking about the core melting down 133 00:07:19,140 --> 00:07:21,240 through the bottom of the containment. 134 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:22,920 It was already pretty close 135 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,713 to it blowing the radiation sky high. 136 00:07:28,020 --> 00:07:31,740 That would've rendered I don't know how many square miles 137 00:07:31,740 --> 00:07:32,850 with hundreds of thousands 138 00:07:32,850 --> 00:07:35,673 or millions of people being contaminated. 139 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:42,930 Within a half hour, 140 00:07:42,930 --> 00:07:46,770 they travel to the State of Pennsylvania's offices 141 00:07:46,770 --> 00:07:48,630 to meet with officials. 142 00:07:48,630 --> 00:07:50,790 Don't tell 'em anything. 143 00:07:50,790 --> 00:07:53,100 Don't tell 'em about the hydrogen explosion, 144 00:07:53,100 --> 00:07:54,900 the temperature readings, 145 00:07:54,900 --> 00:07:57,180 that there's any risk to the public. 146 00:07:57,180 --> 00:07:59,130 - If that had been brought to the attention 147 00:07:59,130 --> 00:08:03,570 of state and federal government officials, 148 00:08:03,570 --> 00:08:06,930 that it is very likely they would've ordered the evacuation 149 00:08:06,930 --> 00:08:09,813 of a significant part of Pennsylvania. 150 00:08:11,340 --> 00:08:13,140 - [Heidi] Wow, that's extraordinary. 151 00:08:13,140 --> 00:08:14,430 - It is extraordinary. 152 00:08:14,430 --> 00:08:15,870 And they were very lucky 153 00:08:15,870 --> 00:08:17,640 that they didn't have a total meltdown. 154 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,190 - What we've seen here is the fuel failure, 155 00:08:20,190 --> 00:08:23,130 something that's possible with an operating reactor. 156 00:08:23,130 --> 00:08:26,010 And the safety systems were designed to take care 157 00:08:26,010 --> 00:08:28,470 of this kind of an accident as our safety systems did. 158 00:08:28,470 --> 00:08:30,990 - We didn't think that we were getting the truth. 159 00:08:30,990 --> 00:08:32,820 They kept saying everything is fine, 160 00:08:32,820 --> 00:08:35,304 but the reporters weren't buying that. 161 00:08:35,304 --> 00:08:36,539 - Why was the radiation allowed 162 00:08:36,539 --> 00:08:37,860 to escape into the atmosphere? 163 00:08:37,860 --> 00:08:40,470 That seems to be what frightens the public the most. 164 00:08:40,470 --> 00:08:44,250 - Radiation is allowed to be released from the reactor plant 165 00:08:44,250 --> 00:08:46,440 in the course of normal operation. 166 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,260 - It was the first step in a nuclear nightmare. 167 00:08:49,260 --> 00:08:52,350 As far as we know at this hour, no worse than that. 168 00:08:52,350 --> 00:08:56,880 - Radiation inside the plant was a thousand times normal, 169 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,120 but those outside were said to be in no danger. 170 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,080 - I believe at this point that there is no cause for alarm 171 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,680 or any reason to disrupt your daily routine. 172 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:09,990 - The biggest releases were on that first day. 173 00:09:09,990 --> 00:09:11,460 And no one knew and you weren't being told? 174 00:09:11,460 --> 00:09:14,550 - No, no, actually I was being told 175 00:09:14,550 --> 00:09:16,620 by my brother-in-law in Boston, 176 00:09:16,620 --> 00:09:20,137 and an ex-neighbor in Texas calling and saying, 177 00:09:20,137 --> 00:09:21,480 "Get out of there. 178 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:22,313 Get out. 179 00:09:22,313 --> 00:09:25,590 There's a terrible accident that's on..." 180 00:09:25,590 --> 00:09:28,155 And I'm like, the media's blowing it up. 181 00:09:28,155 --> 00:09:28,988 - Out of proportion. 182 00:09:28,988 --> 00:09:31,150 - Because that's what they told us, yes. 183 00:09:31,150 --> 00:09:33,090 - Don't question authority. 184 00:09:33,090 --> 00:09:35,940 - No, because they have our best interests at heart 185 00:09:35,940 --> 00:09:36,930 and they're going to do- - They'll take care of us. 186 00:09:36,930 --> 00:09:40,080 - Yeah, if you pay your taxes and you're a good citizen, 187 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,930 everything in this world is going to be okay. 188 00:09:42,930 --> 00:09:43,980 And you believe them. 189 00:09:43,980 --> 00:09:47,100 - It's like demolishing your belief system. 190 00:09:47,100 --> 00:09:49,440 Then you find out that the government really isn't 191 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:50,910 that interested in your wellbeing. 192 00:09:50,910 --> 00:09:52,770 It's very interested in making sure 193 00:09:52,770 --> 00:09:55,320 that company runs well and smoothly. 194 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,640 Nevermind it may kill you. 195 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,130 - When an accident like Three Mile Island happens, 196 00:10:02,130 --> 00:10:06,180 the first line of duty is to reassure the public 197 00:10:06,180 --> 00:10:09,780 that it's not dangerous, that it's not bad. 198 00:10:09,780 --> 00:10:11,940 That's their first line of duty. 199 00:10:11,940 --> 00:10:14,340 And if they could pull that off at Three Mile Island, 200 00:10:14,340 --> 00:10:15,180 then that tells me 201 00:10:15,180 --> 00:10:19,710 that they could do that pretty much anywhere about anything. 202 00:10:19,710 --> 00:10:23,790 - We were led to believe that everything was fine. 203 00:10:23,790 --> 00:10:26,100 That, yes, there had been a general emergency, 204 00:10:26,100 --> 00:10:29,220 but the system had worked as it was designed to work 205 00:10:29,220 --> 00:10:31,020 and it contained the accident, 206 00:10:31,020 --> 00:10:33,000 and so that's how we ended the day. 207 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,823 We thought everything was fine, we dodged a bullet. 208 00:10:40,230 --> 00:10:42,270 - I got it in my mind. 209 00:10:42,270 --> 00:10:46,080 I said, "Wow, I wonder if I could get a job there. 210 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,330 I wonder if I could go back." 211 00:10:48,330 --> 00:10:49,680 'Cause I'd been gone for, you know, 212 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:51,000 several months from the industry, 213 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:55,170 but I'm still respected and I bet they're gonna need help. 214 00:10:55,170 --> 00:10:58,920 And Joy and I talked about it that night 215 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,920 and she said, "Sure, why not?" 216 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:03,750 We determined that we were the only ones 217 00:11:03,750 --> 00:11:05,350 who could tell the truth or not. 218 00:11:06,392 --> 00:11:09,392 (suspenseful music) 219 00:11:29,430 --> 00:11:33,517 The common joke, first several days, was, you know, 220 00:11:33,517 --> 00:11:35,940 "Wow, never got to work at a melting reactor before." 221 00:11:35,940 --> 00:11:37,980 And everyone kind of acknowledged that. 222 00:11:37,980 --> 00:11:39,473 Everyone knew it and understood it. 223 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:45,480 Our favorite spot was a little office off the control room 224 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,460 where the copy machine was. 225 00:11:47,460 --> 00:11:50,100 And every day, sure enough, 226 00:11:50,100 --> 00:11:52,380 someone would make copies of a report, 227 00:11:52,380 --> 00:11:56,340 a plume map, an NRC guide, a document. 228 00:11:56,340 --> 00:11:58,980 But you know, people are copying in a hurry 229 00:11:58,980 --> 00:12:02,223 and they would leave the original on the machine. 230 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,430 And I just happened to be there. 231 00:12:05,430 --> 00:12:06,663 I thought, look at that. 232 00:12:07,950 --> 00:12:09,540 That's how we collected a lot of our data, 233 00:12:09,540 --> 00:12:12,033 was simply taking it from the copy machine. 234 00:12:13,620 --> 00:12:15,870 - [Heidi] What was released that you were seeing? 235 00:12:15,870 --> 00:12:17,730 - Iodine 131 was our biggest cause, 236 00:12:17,730 --> 00:12:19,380 our biggest cause for alarm, 237 00:12:19,380 --> 00:12:20,880 because it's the most destructive 238 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:25,410 and it gets in milk and it gives you thyroid cancer 239 00:12:25,410 --> 00:12:27,510 and a lot of other kinds of problems. 240 00:12:27,510 --> 00:12:31,530 The amount of iodine for the first two or three days was 241 00:12:31,530 --> 00:12:33,570 practically immeasurable. 242 00:12:33,570 --> 00:12:35,580 So much iodine that none of us had ever seen 243 00:12:35,580 --> 00:12:37,230 that much iodine in the air 244 00:12:37,230 --> 00:12:39,690 or in our filtration system or on the ground. 245 00:12:39,690 --> 00:12:41,490 It was totally contaminated. 246 00:12:41,490 --> 00:12:43,320 But there were also products 247 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,720 that were produced from the deterioration 248 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,040 of the reactor itself, 249 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,250 with radioactive particles everywhere. 250 00:12:50,250 --> 00:12:51,290 - [Heidi] And outside of the plant itself. 251 00:12:51,290 --> 00:12:52,514 - Of course, outside of the plant. 252 00:12:52,514 --> 00:12:53,347 - [Heidi] Outside of the containment vessel. 253 00:12:53,347 --> 00:12:54,180 - Absolutely. 254 00:12:54,180 --> 00:12:56,610 - We may have some minor fuel damage, 255 00:12:56,610 --> 00:13:00,120 but we don't believe at this point that it's extensive. 256 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,790 The radiation levels at the site boundary are 257 00:13:02,790 --> 00:13:06,120 really only a 10th of the general emergency level 258 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,630 where we normally get concerned. 259 00:13:09,630 --> 00:13:14,630 Very, very small traces of radioactivity have been released 260 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,230 from the plant. 261 00:13:16,230 --> 00:13:19,023 - Everything coming out of their mouths was a lie. 262 00:13:19,950 --> 00:13:23,343 And I think that has to do with what caused the accident, 263 00:13:25,650 --> 00:13:29,520 how they responded to the accident, 264 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,220 the radiation releases, 265 00:13:32,220 --> 00:13:35,730 what they knew they did to people in that community. 266 00:13:35,730 --> 00:13:36,963 Everything was a lie. 267 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:41,640 - Thursday came along 268 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,550 and we went through our usual newscast. 269 00:13:44,550 --> 00:13:46,380 I'm sure we did some sort of update 270 00:13:46,380 --> 00:13:49,680 of whatever we were being told about Three Mile Island. 271 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:52,680 We felt that things were under control though, 272 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:57,450 so Mike sent me down to Middletown to talk to the people 273 00:13:57,450 --> 00:14:00,150 to get their impression as to what happened. 274 00:14:00,150 --> 00:14:03,090 There were a few people who still were against it 275 00:14:03,090 --> 00:14:07,290 and still wondered what was going on, but for the most part, 276 00:14:07,290 --> 00:14:09,870 we were back to going about our daily lives 277 00:14:09,870 --> 00:14:11,970 as though nothing had happened. 278 00:14:11,970 --> 00:14:15,393 It was on Friday that things changed. 279 00:14:17,130 --> 00:14:19,110 - [Reporter] There had already been a partial meltdown, 280 00:14:19,110 --> 00:14:21,810 but it wasn't until the early morning hours on Friday 281 00:14:21,810 --> 00:14:24,390 that federal inspectors discovered it. 282 00:14:24,390 --> 00:14:27,810 And by then, something totally unforeseen was happening. 283 00:14:27,810 --> 00:14:31,050 A massive hydrogen bubble had formed in the reactor vessel 284 00:14:31,050 --> 00:14:33,150 and pressure was building. 285 00:14:33,150 --> 00:14:34,800 - If the hydrogen should explode 286 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,020 or if the atomic fuel should melt, 287 00:14:37,020 --> 00:14:39,660 one government study estimated in such an event, 288 00:14:39,660 --> 00:14:43,170 45,000 would be killed, a quarter of a million injured. 289 00:14:43,170 --> 00:14:44,730 It is that possibility 290 00:14:44,730 --> 00:14:47,820 that has authorities considering evacuation. 291 00:14:47,820 --> 00:14:49,353 - On Friday morning, 292 00:14:50,700 --> 00:14:54,600 I remember I was doing my neighbor's hair, Fern, 293 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,293 and I was sitting at the dining room table. 294 00:14:59,220 --> 00:15:01,320 My children had gone to school 295 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,140 with the exception of my youngest. 296 00:15:04,140 --> 00:15:09,140 And I was setting her hair and the TV was on 297 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,890 and it was Governor Thornburgh. 298 00:15:13,890 --> 00:15:17,030 - Based on advice of the chairman of the NRC 299 00:15:17,030 --> 00:15:19,560 and in the interests of taking every precaution, 300 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,290 we've advised those who may be particularly susceptible 301 00:15:22,290 --> 00:15:23,610 to the effects of radiation, 302 00:15:23,610 --> 00:15:26,880 that is pregnant women and preschool aged children, 303 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,550 to leave the area within a five mile radius 304 00:15:29,550 --> 00:15:32,820 of the Three Mile Island facility until further notice. 305 00:15:32,820 --> 00:15:33,990 - All hell broke loose. 306 00:15:33,990 --> 00:15:35,402 - Yeah, it did. 307 00:15:35,402 --> 00:15:36,330 - It was crazy. 308 00:15:36,330 --> 00:15:39,990 People trying to get to the banks, trying to get to gas. 309 00:15:39,990 --> 00:15:42,120 The phone lines were jammed. - Were jammed. 310 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,100 - My husband worked on the west shore, 311 00:15:44,100 --> 00:15:46,957 which is across the river, and I called him and I said, 312 00:15:46,957 --> 00:15:49,230 "Honey, Chrissy came home with a bag on her head. 313 00:15:49,230 --> 00:15:50,460 I can't go get Tim. 314 00:15:50,460 --> 00:15:52,320 They're saying don't go pick him up." 315 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:53,970 And I said, "We need to get outta here." 316 00:15:53,970 --> 00:15:55,230 - Who came home with a bag on her head? 317 00:15:55,230 --> 00:15:57,660 - My daughter came home with a bag, 318 00:15:57,660 --> 00:16:01,380 a brown paper bag on her head with the two little eye slits 319 00:16:01,380 --> 00:16:03,300 to protect her from the radiation. 320 00:16:03,300 --> 00:16:05,997 - You know, the bus drivers were trying to protect the kids 321 00:16:05,997 --> 00:16:09,720 and said, "Put your coats over your head and run home. 322 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:10,650 Run, don't stop. 323 00:16:10,650 --> 00:16:12,930 Just run home and get in your house." 324 00:16:12,930 --> 00:16:14,610 - Wasn't it your son who threw up? 325 00:16:14,610 --> 00:16:15,443 - Yes. 326 00:16:15,443 --> 00:16:16,680 It was a vile green. 327 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:18,600 If you've ever used Comet cleanser, 328 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,580 that was the color of what he threw up. 329 00:16:20,580 --> 00:16:24,600 And a year later, a doctor who took care of the patients 330 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,660 from Hiroshima and Nagasaki wanted to talk to me 331 00:16:27,660 --> 00:16:28,890 and I said I would 332 00:16:28,890 --> 00:16:31,677 but he had to answer one question for me when we were done. 333 00:16:31,677 --> 00:16:35,190 And I told him the story about my son and when he threw up. 334 00:16:35,190 --> 00:16:39,060 And he pulled out a handful of disc. 335 00:16:39,060 --> 00:16:41,040 He said, "Pick the color green." 336 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:42,007 And I did, and he said, 337 00:16:42,007 --> 00:16:45,030 "Classic case of radiation sickness poisoning." 338 00:16:45,030 --> 00:16:46,650 - And I was gone for 10 days. 339 00:16:46,650 --> 00:16:49,747 I think most of us evacuated for at least until 10 days. 340 00:16:49,747 --> 00:16:51,753 It wasn't safe. - Yeah. 341 00:16:52,860 --> 00:16:55,200 - I was at my last semester of law school 342 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,320 and I remember very distinctly being in the state capitol 343 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,050 and suddenly the governor ordering all the windows 344 00:17:01,050 --> 00:17:04,170 and doors shut, these big oak doors got shut. 345 00:17:04,170 --> 00:17:07,050 And we were freaked out. 346 00:17:07,050 --> 00:17:09,270 And we had no idea what was going on. 347 00:17:09,270 --> 00:17:11,970 We didn't think anything was happening with the plant 348 00:17:11,970 --> 00:17:13,500 and we wouldn't have gone. 349 00:17:13,500 --> 00:17:16,890 So we hopped in the car and decided on our way back, 350 00:17:16,890 --> 00:17:20,280 we would stop in to see a movie called "The China Syndrome," 351 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,109 which had just come out. 352 00:17:22,109 --> 00:17:25,240 And it was about a nuclear reactor accident 353 00:17:27,300 --> 00:17:30,480 where officials were lying about what was really happening. 354 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,340 - Jack, we still have high radiation on level eight. 355 00:17:32,340 --> 00:17:33,994 - It's perfectly normal. 356 00:17:33,994 --> 00:17:37,853 - Feedwater flow, 450,000 pounds per hour and decreasing. 357 00:17:37,853 --> 00:17:38,693 - Godell here. 358 00:17:38,693 --> 00:17:40,200 - Jack, Bill Gibson in the district gallery. 359 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:41,461 - [Jack] Yep. 360 00:17:41,461 --> 00:17:42,600 - We got some people here from Channel Three. 361 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,003 They're shooting a TV news special at the plant. 362 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:47,403 Listen, what the hell's going on down there? 363 00:17:47,403 --> 00:17:50,310 - It's just a routine turbine trip, Bill, okay? 364 00:17:50,310 --> 00:17:51,583 Just take it easy. (alarm rings) 365 00:17:51,583 --> 00:17:52,485 There's nothing to worry about. 366 00:17:52,485 --> 00:17:54,693 - [Speaker] High water level in the reactor! 367 00:17:54,693 --> 00:17:57,360 (workers shout) 368 00:17:59,144 --> 00:18:01,227 - Relax, everybody relax. 369 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,770 Got high water in the core and I'm gonna dump it. 370 00:18:04,770 --> 00:18:06,060 - There's nothing to worry about. 371 00:18:06,060 --> 00:18:07,893 It's just a routine turbine trip. 372 00:18:09,060 --> 00:18:12,060 - We, all of us, knew that it was an important movie. 373 00:18:12,060 --> 00:18:14,580 It opened and it did okay. 374 00:18:14,580 --> 00:18:18,123 It was open for a little under two weeks, I believe, 375 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,160 and Three Mile Island happened 376 00:18:23,490 --> 00:18:26,220 and rocked the country. 377 00:18:26,220 --> 00:18:30,210 And everybody went rushing to see "The China Syndrome" 378 00:18:30,210 --> 00:18:32,820 to try to figure out what had really happened 379 00:18:32,820 --> 00:18:34,023 at Three Mile Island. 380 00:18:35,310 --> 00:18:36,570 - [On the phone] Operations. 381 00:18:36,570 --> 00:18:37,410 - This is Jack Godell. 382 00:18:37,410 --> 00:18:38,580 We have a serious condition. 383 00:18:38,580 --> 00:18:40,020 You get everybody into safety areas 384 00:18:40,020 --> 00:18:41,770 and make sure that they stay there. 385 00:18:43,834 --> 00:18:45,288 - [Announcer] All personnel proceed directly 386 00:18:45,288 --> 00:18:46,376 to safety areas. 387 00:18:46,376 --> 00:18:49,406 Caution, caution, this is not a drill. 388 00:18:49,406 --> 00:18:51,073 This is not a drill. 389 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,740 - All their evacuation decisions were based 390 00:18:58,740 --> 00:19:02,100 on this model of a five mile radius. 391 00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:06,810 Well, everyone knows that smoke out of a smoke stack goes 392 00:19:06,810 --> 00:19:08,700 a lot more than five miles. 393 00:19:08,700 --> 00:19:10,350 And then as atmosphere happens, 394 00:19:10,350 --> 00:19:12,270 it pushes that down onto the ground. 395 00:19:12,270 --> 00:19:16,500 That's just basic weather, and so we all know that. 396 00:19:16,500 --> 00:19:21,500 And so, but their criteria was the gamma of five miles 397 00:19:21,630 --> 00:19:23,220 and anything beyond that was no problem. 398 00:19:23,220 --> 00:19:25,533 So as long as you're at five miles outta town, 399 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:27,233 then you're safe. 400 00:19:27,233 --> 00:19:29,910 And so Hershey became, I guess, a good place to go 401 00:19:29,910 --> 00:19:31,230 because it was beyond the five mile 402 00:19:31,230 --> 00:19:32,730 and maybe convenient or whatever. 403 00:19:32,730 --> 00:19:34,770 But it's amazing when you think of it, 404 00:19:34,770 --> 00:19:37,170 that they evacuated women and children 405 00:19:37,170 --> 00:19:41,253 and pregnant moms right into the plume. 406 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,920 - [Reporter] An estimated 1000 nuclear experts 407 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,810 and technicians have now converged 408 00:19:48,810 --> 00:19:50,790 at the Three Mile Island facility 409 00:19:50,790 --> 00:19:53,640 to help Metropolitan Edison's operators deal 410 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,160 with the serious problems that lie ahead. 411 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,010 Dr. Harold Denton of the NRC said today, 412 00:19:59,010 --> 00:20:00,540 General Public Utilities, 413 00:20:00,540 --> 00:20:02,730 the firm that owns the nuclear plant, 414 00:20:02,730 --> 00:20:04,683 was thin on technical talent. 415 00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:10,380 - Saturday morning, I got in the car, 416 00:20:10,380 --> 00:20:13,890 drove to my parents' house, which was outside Philadelphia, 417 00:20:13,890 --> 00:20:17,460 but I decided how could I call myself a reporter 418 00:20:17,460 --> 00:20:19,503 if I left in the middle of the story? 419 00:20:21,810 --> 00:20:23,130 The thing that changed was 420 00:20:23,130 --> 00:20:25,560 President Carter was coming to town. 421 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,360 I don't think you'd send the president 422 00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:29,430 to someplace that was unstable, 423 00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:32,550 so I felt that things were a little bit under control 424 00:20:32,550 --> 00:20:36,450 and I went back and stayed there to do my job. 425 00:20:36,450 --> 00:20:37,653 - At the present time, 426 00:20:38,700 --> 00:20:43,700 all those who are involved here, who are highly qualified, 427 00:20:43,710 --> 00:20:47,223 tell me that the reactor core is indeed stable. 428 00:20:48,216 --> 00:20:50,799 (solemn music) 429 00:20:58,500 --> 00:21:00,930 - The Three Mile Island accident happened at a moment 430 00:21:00,930 --> 00:21:02,970 where the country was ready to rise up 431 00:21:02,970 --> 00:21:04,410 against this technology. 432 00:21:04,410 --> 00:21:08,264 I didn't even make the main rally, which was May of '79, 433 00:21:08,264 --> 00:21:10,290 'cause I was taking law school exams. 434 00:21:10,290 --> 00:21:12,330 Hundreds of thousands of people came to this. 435 00:21:12,330 --> 00:21:14,760 - If we continue to place our health 436 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,690 and safety in the hands of utility executives, 437 00:21:18,690 --> 00:21:22,890 then we will see more Harrisburgs, we will see more leaks, 438 00:21:22,890 --> 00:21:25,860 and we will see an increase in the cancer epidemic 439 00:21:25,860 --> 00:21:28,740 that is already running rampant in this country. 440 00:21:28,740 --> 00:21:31,650 Every time we would come to a city or a town 441 00:21:31,650 --> 00:21:34,650 and then we'd leave, and then the Truth Squad, 442 00:21:34,650 --> 00:21:36,390 they were called the Truth Squad, 443 00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:39,300 would follow us and refute everything we said, 444 00:21:39,300 --> 00:21:40,623 demanding equal time. 445 00:21:42,899 --> 00:21:44,700 I mean, the industry did not want 446 00:21:44,700 --> 00:21:47,223 to have this all talked about and gotten out. 447 00:21:49,983 --> 00:21:52,566 (solemn music) 448 00:21:59,472 --> 00:22:00,305 - Well, I'm the one 449 00:22:00,305 --> 00:22:03,903 that turned off the reactor cooling pumps initially. 450 00:22:04,740 --> 00:22:09,390 - In my own mind, just the failure to recognize 451 00:22:09,390 --> 00:22:12,720 that we had a relief valve that was still partially open 452 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,320 or open was probably the biggest event. 453 00:22:17,688 --> 00:22:20,271 (solemn music) 454 00:22:53,250 --> 00:22:56,030 - The first atoms that we intentionally split were 455 00:22:56,030 --> 00:22:58,743 in 1942 in Chicago. 456 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:01,620 Back then, most of the people 457 00:23:01,620 --> 00:23:05,340 who were working on fission were either military males 458 00:23:05,340 --> 00:23:07,320 or paramilitary males. 459 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:08,790 And so it was somewhat appropriate 460 00:23:08,790 --> 00:23:11,310 that the standards were set for them 461 00:23:11,310 --> 00:23:15,453 for what has come to be known as the reference man. 462 00:23:19,770 --> 00:23:21,690 He is between 25 and 30 years old. 463 00:23:21,690 --> 00:23:22,710 He's five 10. 464 00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:24,180 He's got a specific weight. 465 00:23:24,180 --> 00:23:26,400 He's defined as Caucasian. 466 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,280 And it took digging into the original numbers 467 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,910 for me to be able to authoritatively say 468 00:23:32,910 --> 00:23:37,260 that radiation is 10 times more harmful to young females 469 00:23:37,260 --> 00:23:39,300 than to reference man 470 00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:43,740 and 50% more harmful to a comparable female. 471 00:23:43,740 --> 00:23:45,540 So now we have this information 472 00:23:45,540 --> 00:23:48,900 and we look back over everything we know about radiation 473 00:23:48,900 --> 00:23:51,870 and understand that everything we know is 474 00:23:51,870 --> 00:23:54,423 about this adult male who's most resistant. 475 00:23:57,120 --> 00:24:01,440 Meanwhile, it isn't just military men 476 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,813 and paramilitary men who are being affected. 477 00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:19,590 - We are in Middletown at the, 478 00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:22,530 what used to be the Liberty Fire Hall. 479 00:24:22,530 --> 00:24:25,830 It's now the Middletown Volunteer Fire Company. 480 00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:28,050 When we came here, it was for, 481 00:24:28,050 --> 00:24:31,500 the NRC was here, Met-Ed was here, 482 00:24:31,500 --> 00:24:33,060 and they wanted to tell us. 483 00:24:33,060 --> 00:24:37,470 Now the accident happened in March and they needed to vent, 484 00:24:37,470 --> 00:24:39,060 they needed to vent, 485 00:24:39,060 --> 00:24:40,800 and they were going to do it in July 486 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,560 when the kids were home from school 487 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,393 and they'd be outside playing. 488 00:24:46,250 --> 00:24:49,297 And so we went, you know, 489 00:24:49,297 --> 00:24:52,320 "Listen, the kids are gonna be outside. 490 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:53,340 Please don't vent." 491 00:24:53,340 --> 00:24:55,140 There's other ways to do it 492 00:24:55,140 --> 00:24:58,470 that it was more expensive to do it, to contain it. 493 00:24:58,470 --> 00:25:02,280 But there were so many people who came 494 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:03,397 and instead of saying, 495 00:25:03,397 --> 00:25:05,940 "Look, we didn't expect so many people, 496 00:25:05,940 --> 00:25:09,360 we know everybody wants to hear what's happening," 497 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:12,540 they threatened to arrest anybody who opened the door 498 00:25:12,540 --> 00:25:15,030 and tried to let anybody in. 499 00:25:15,030 --> 00:25:18,390 Their whole arrogance was so... 500 00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:20,820 It just set the tone. 501 00:25:20,820 --> 00:25:25,820 And I remember being there and being so angry. 502 00:25:26,270 --> 00:25:28,853 (crowd chants) 503 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,567 - The meeting really won't be very productive. 504 00:25:33,567 --> 00:25:36,360 - [Reporter] The NRC's chief man at Three Mile Island was 505 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:38,370 repeatedly shouted down as he tried 506 00:25:38,370 --> 00:25:41,343 to present several alternate plans for venting the gas. 507 00:25:42,540 --> 00:25:45,141 - [Heidi] After this, you organized, the four of you. 508 00:25:45,141 --> 00:25:47,962 - Yeah, whatever it was, it was gonna be a positive thing. 509 00:25:47,962 --> 00:25:52,962 And that down the road, no matter what, we gave it our all. 510 00:25:54,330 --> 00:25:55,320 - [Heidi] And that's when you organized 511 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:56,460 Concerned Mothers and Women. 512 00:25:56,460 --> 00:25:57,573 - Yes, yes. 513 00:25:59,220 --> 00:26:01,020 - This is the 40th anniversary 514 00:26:01,020 --> 00:26:02,910 of the accident at the island. 515 00:26:02,910 --> 00:26:04,230 And we are having a dinner 516 00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:06,120 and Concerned Mothers are in charge 517 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:07,440 of the desserts for the dinner, 518 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,354 so we decided to all get together and dessert. 519 00:26:11,354 --> 00:26:12,187 - And dessert. 520 00:26:12,187 --> 00:26:15,060 We learned to multitask, you know? 521 00:26:15,060 --> 00:26:16,920 We bake and then we also try 522 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,753 and respond to a nuclear accident. 523 00:26:19,740 --> 00:26:21,660 - With a smile on our face. 524 00:26:21,660 --> 00:26:23,227 - Yeah, when you go to meetings and they say, 525 00:26:23,227 --> 00:26:24,960 "Go home and bake your cookies," 526 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,060 little did they know we were baking cookies to sell 527 00:26:27,060 --> 00:26:30,450 to make copies to protest what they were doing. 528 00:26:30,450 --> 00:26:34,440 - Gentlemen, we live in the daily repercussions 529 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:35,910 of this accident. 530 00:26:35,910 --> 00:26:38,130 Sirens malfunctioning, 531 00:26:38,130 --> 00:26:42,030 incorrect evacuation plans in our tax notices, 532 00:26:42,030 --> 00:26:43,860 daily ventings, 533 00:26:43,860 --> 00:26:47,430 the storage of high level waste on that island, 534 00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:49,687 and the total incompetence of GPU. 535 00:26:50,843 --> 00:26:53,843 (audience applauds) 536 00:26:59,611 --> 00:27:02,528 (passengers shout) 537 00:27:04,140 --> 00:27:06,540 - Sometimes courteous, sometimes not. 538 00:27:06,540 --> 00:27:09,390 - If people don't take action, I mean, 539 00:27:09,390 --> 00:27:14,010 certainly not four women are gonna change the whole... 540 00:27:14,010 --> 00:27:15,000 Certainly not. 541 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,553 - But we can annoy the hell out of them. 542 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:19,710 - Because we're all in this together. 543 00:27:19,710 --> 00:27:21,390 It's a boat that we're all trying to row. 544 00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:22,320 - [Speaker] Yeah, that's right. 545 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,300 - [Speaker] And you can't hold people at fault. 546 00:27:24,300 --> 00:27:26,954 There's fear involved and there's different aspects 547 00:27:26,954 --> 00:27:28,445 and that's where- - Fight or flight. 548 00:27:28,445 --> 00:27:30,840 - Yeah, and that's where we apparently came 549 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,370 into this picture. 550 00:27:32,370 --> 00:27:34,830 - It was a very difficult time, very painful. 551 00:27:34,830 --> 00:27:39,060 And as a result, I had a lot of anger, a lot of fear, 552 00:27:39,060 --> 00:27:43,560 resentment, and a definite violation of my trust 553 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:48,360 and confidence in the government and the NRC, the utility. 554 00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:50,070 I felt as if I'd been raped. 555 00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:51,810 Everything had been taken away from me 556 00:27:51,810 --> 00:27:54,420 that was my foundation. 557 00:27:54,420 --> 00:27:58,230 - There was that point to all of this where it would be, 558 00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:59,277 neighbors would come over and say, 559 00:27:59,277 --> 00:28:02,970 "Oh my God, you know, my kid isn't feeling good today. 560 00:28:02,970 --> 00:28:04,470 Should I take him to the doctors? 561 00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:06,000 Do you think there's something wrong?" 562 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,130 - Because they lied to us so much 563 00:28:08,130 --> 00:28:09,630 and lied to the public so much, 564 00:28:09,630 --> 00:28:11,310 they didn't wanna believe them anymore either. 565 00:28:11,310 --> 00:28:15,150 They were willing to believe us as neighbors 566 00:28:15,150 --> 00:28:17,190 than to the people that were in authority. 567 00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:18,720 - I told my kids early on 568 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,080 when they were getting so much grief at school 569 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,630 because their mother was fighting against- 570 00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:26,190 - A crazy activist. 571 00:28:26,190 --> 00:28:27,023 - Yes. 572 00:28:27,023 --> 00:28:28,717 And then all I said to them was, 573 00:28:28,717 --> 00:28:31,565 "You just have to trust me 574 00:28:31,565 --> 00:28:35,040 that I want you to know I did everything I could do 575 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,190 to right this mistake." 576 00:28:38,190 --> 00:28:42,120 And I said, "I will work at that until I die." 577 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,493 - You girls did a great job here. 578 00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:49,380 I'm just gonna put 'em in plastic 579 00:28:49,380 --> 00:28:51,243 and then it won't take me long. 580 00:28:59,088 --> 00:29:00,480 Yeah, let me tell you something. 581 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,280 - And so Concerned Mothers started 582 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,410 doing projects ourselves, 583 00:29:04,410 --> 00:29:08,640 meeting with elected officials, going to the NRC, 584 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,020 letter writing. 585 00:29:10,020 --> 00:29:13,050 - [Heidi] So you have stored a lot of material here 586 00:29:13,050 --> 00:29:14,460 from all your work. 587 00:29:14,460 --> 00:29:15,660 - It's difficult. 588 00:29:15,660 --> 00:29:17,220 It's difficult because you feel 589 00:29:17,220 --> 00:29:21,817 like you're up against a great wall of indifference, 590 00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:26,910 like that they don't wanna really deal 591 00:29:26,910 --> 00:29:29,610 with the truth of this whole thing. 592 00:29:29,610 --> 00:29:31,410 The only people from the government 593 00:29:31,410 --> 00:29:35,277 who have been here are IRS people that did a tax, 594 00:29:37,860 --> 00:29:39,540 they checked our taxes out. 595 00:29:39,540 --> 00:29:40,590 - So you were audited 596 00:29:40,590 --> 00:29:42,780 and you feel it was because of your activism? 597 00:29:42,780 --> 00:29:44,460 - Oh, yeah, yeah, I do. 598 00:29:44,460 --> 00:29:48,730 I think, I mean, I do. 599 00:29:48,730 --> 00:29:50,670 (laughs) And mainly because Joyce was audited 600 00:29:50,670 --> 00:29:53,190 and so was Paula in the same year. 601 00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:54,630 And you, you know, you think to yourself- 602 00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:55,480 - That's amazing. 603 00:29:56,550 --> 00:29:57,990 What's going on? 604 00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:59,250 - Yeah, yeah. 605 00:29:59,250 --> 00:30:02,070 A lot of my information would be on the kitchen table 606 00:30:02,070 --> 00:30:04,920 and I'd have to clean the table off, so I'd put it in a box. 607 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,853 So letters and actions that we took as Concerned Mothers, 608 00:30:10,020 --> 00:30:12,450 postcards that we sent to elected officials, 609 00:30:12,450 --> 00:30:14,970 letters that we sent to elected officials, 610 00:30:14,970 --> 00:30:16,830 and documentation. 611 00:30:16,830 --> 00:30:19,620 I have a lot of the regs from the NRC 612 00:30:19,620 --> 00:30:22,320 and different meetings that we attended. 613 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,290 - If you knew then what you know now 614 00:30:25,290 --> 00:30:28,500 about Three Mile Island, would you have moved here? 615 00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:32,130 - No, I would not live near a nuclear power plant 616 00:30:32,130 --> 00:30:33,880 knowing everything that I know now. 617 00:30:36,226 --> 00:30:38,809 (solemn music) 618 00:30:41,010 --> 00:30:44,430 - Three Mile Island was carefully managed 619 00:30:44,430 --> 00:30:46,710 as an event in the media 620 00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:51,540 so that the fact that so much radioactivity was coming off 621 00:30:51,540 --> 00:30:54,120 of the top of the reactor 622 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:59,120 that the monitors on the top of the reactor were pegged. 623 00:30:59,430 --> 00:31:01,500 What was happening was so much was being released 624 00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:03,250 that the monitors couldn't read it. 625 00:31:06,060 --> 00:31:08,070 All the information was suppressed. 626 00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:10,470 Nobody who was speaking the truth was listened to 627 00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:12,723 or given a stage to be heard. 628 00:31:13,740 --> 00:31:15,690 The only collection of data that happened was 629 00:31:15,690 --> 00:31:18,150 five years after the accident 630 00:31:18,150 --> 00:31:21,750 under a court supervised process. 631 00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:25,740 And happily, the scientists who did it were credible enough 632 00:31:25,740 --> 00:31:26,880 to preserve the data 633 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,630 in a way that it could be reexamined later. 634 00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:31,800 In the 1990s, 635 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,530 researchers from the University of North Carolina, 636 00:31:34,530 --> 00:31:37,473 led by Steve Wing, examined the data. 637 00:31:38,910 --> 00:31:42,870 And what Wing and his team found was incredibly important. 638 00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:46,830 They found that the cancers and the radiation align, 639 00:31:46,830 --> 00:31:48,420 they're the same map, 640 00:31:48,420 --> 00:31:51,270 and the increase is quite remarkable. 641 00:31:51,270 --> 00:31:53,340 It's a very significant amount higher 642 00:31:53,340 --> 00:31:55,170 compared to people who are out in areas 643 00:31:55,170 --> 00:31:57,573 where they did not get as much radiation. 644 00:31:58,530 --> 00:32:00,450 But the power structure 645 00:32:00,450 --> 00:32:02,580 that was supporting the nuclear industry 646 00:32:02,580 --> 00:32:06,150 and supporting these regulators who've done such a bad job 647 00:32:06,150 --> 00:32:11,150 of protecting the public squelch this information. 648 00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:18,480 - The principal release was xenon 133 that came from a leak 649 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,730 of cooling water into an auxiliary building. 650 00:32:20,730 --> 00:32:23,550 The cooling water contained radioactive gases 651 00:32:23,550 --> 00:32:27,060 and they vented the gases into the atmosphere. 652 00:32:27,060 --> 00:32:28,660 Xenon is interesting 653 00:32:29,670 --> 00:32:33,540 because when you inhale it, it's a large atom. 654 00:32:33,540 --> 00:32:35,250 Xenon binds to hemoglobin 655 00:32:35,250 --> 00:32:36,900 and the hemoglobin carries the xenon 656 00:32:36,900 --> 00:32:38,150 all throughout your body. 657 00:32:39,330 --> 00:32:42,660 So beginning at 4:00 a.m. on Wednesday, March 28th, 658 00:32:42,660 --> 00:32:45,960 22 million curies, which is a very large amount, 659 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:46,803 was released. 660 00:32:47,730 --> 00:32:49,920 And the plume would've gone 661 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,650 right through parts of Middletown until it hit a hill, 662 00:32:52,650 --> 00:32:55,350 which is where the moms live, as it happens. 663 00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:57,000 It didn't stop there, it kept going, 664 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,243 but the exposures were greatest in that location. 665 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:02,790 The official story, 666 00:33:02,790 --> 00:33:06,120 which actually congealed very rapidly after the accident, 667 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,090 was that the exposures were X and gamma rays 668 00:33:09,090 --> 00:33:10,860 and there should have been no detectable increase 669 00:33:10,860 --> 00:33:12,570 in cancer or other illness. 670 00:33:12,570 --> 00:33:15,603 - What you're proposing is that there was harm? 671 00:33:16,885 --> 00:33:18,210 - It's certainly fair to say 672 00:33:18,210 --> 00:33:19,620 that there should have been concern 673 00:33:19,620 --> 00:33:21,570 and there should be more research. 674 00:33:21,570 --> 00:33:23,930 A wrong belief has persisted 675 00:33:23,930 --> 00:33:28,050 about the effects of low dose exposures 676 00:33:28,050 --> 00:33:30,510 that occur over long times. 677 00:33:30,510 --> 00:33:31,740 People go and they get X-rayed, 678 00:33:31,740 --> 00:33:35,280 they don't develop cancer immediately or hopefully at all, 679 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,120 but nobody spends 24 hours in an X-ray machine. 680 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,230 The people in the plume were continuously exposed for a day, 681 00:33:43,230 --> 00:33:46,230 especially because xenon is dissolved in fatty tissue 682 00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:48,750 and it stays for many hours. 683 00:33:48,750 --> 00:33:53,250 So if you spend a day being continually X-rayed, 684 00:33:53,250 --> 00:33:54,870 you will accumulate a huge dose, 685 00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:57,083 and that is what happened at Three Mile Island. 686 00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:07,020 If my hypothesis is correct, 687 00:34:07,020 --> 00:34:09,449 then actually people in the most intense part 688 00:34:09,449 --> 00:34:12,179 of the plume suffered an exposure equivalent 689 00:34:12,179 --> 00:34:15,243 to maybe 50 or 100,000 X-rays. 690 00:34:24,030 --> 00:34:25,920 - [Heidi] Were you surprised by these findings? 691 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:26,969 - No. 692 00:34:26,969 --> 00:34:29,280 Because radiation exposure can do things, so, you know? 693 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:30,780 I mean, that's how the cancers develop, 694 00:34:30,780 --> 00:34:33,780 because you're changing something in the molecular genetics. 695 00:34:33,780 --> 00:34:35,940 I mean, that's how each cancer, 696 00:34:35,940 --> 00:34:39,389 we know that has to have a genetic background somewhere. 697 00:34:39,389 --> 00:34:41,340 So there's some mutation, some gene alteration. 698 00:34:41,340 --> 00:34:42,929 That's how the cancer starts. 699 00:34:42,929 --> 00:34:44,880 So maybe that is a start, 700 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,620 and that's when the cancer cells start. 701 00:34:46,620 --> 00:34:48,389 - [Heidi] So you started with the assumption 702 00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:51,384 that there was radiation exposure to the population. 703 00:34:51,384 --> 00:34:52,217 - Could be. - Could be. 704 00:34:52,217 --> 00:34:53,050 - That's all I can say. 705 00:34:53,050 --> 00:34:53,882 - [Heidi] Okay, could be. 706 00:34:53,882 --> 00:34:55,860 - Nothing can be said because we don't have data. 707 00:34:55,860 --> 00:34:56,693 It's 30 years, 708 00:34:56,693 --> 00:34:59,370 so who knows how will we find the radiation data. 709 00:34:59,370 --> 00:35:01,740 The best radiation data is, if somebody did do the study, 710 00:35:01,740 --> 00:35:04,560 like those papers who were being published at that time, 711 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:05,940 is they actually did do the study 712 00:35:05,940 --> 00:35:09,210 and found the radiation exposure was actually there. 713 00:35:09,210 --> 00:35:10,043 But as I said, 714 00:35:10,043 --> 00:35:13,483 it's the patients who are gonna give you the real data. 715 00:35:13,483 --> 00:35:16,066 (solemn music) 716 00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:43,790 - We forgot that the origins of science is inquiry. 717 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,136 Like something happened, what is that? 718 00:35:46,136 --> 00:35:47,100 And then you go and look 719 00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:49,830 and you try to figure out what's happening. 720 00:35:49,830 --> 00:35:51,000 - Right. 721 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,450 - And I felt that that was what we were doing. 722 00:35:54,450 --> 00:35:57,720 And then, you know, scientists, 723 00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:01,650 and of course the government wanted to minimize the issue, 724 00:36:01,650 --> 00:36:04,410 but if you see the individual experience, 725 00:36:04,410 --> 00:36:08,013 you can see that something really happened. 726 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:10,983 - This is Marie Holowka. 727 00:36:11,940 --> 00:36:16,380 She died in 1992, but this interview was in 1986. 728 00:36:16,380 --> 00:36:18,000 So after the TMI accident, 729 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,640 Marie was treated for thyroid problems. 730 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,040 She was subsequently diagnosed for cancer 731 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,930 and has since had several operations 732 00:36:24,930 --> 00:36:27,180 and is currently receiving chemotherapy. 733 00:36:27,180 --> 00:36:29,197 So she says, I, this is Marie saying, 734 00:36:29,197 --> 00:36:32,673 "I went to the barn around 4, 4:30 in the morning. 735 00:36:35,370 --> 00:36:37,290 We were milking cows. 736 00:36:37,290 --> 00:36:39,660 And I finished a little bit after seven 737 00:36:39,660 --> 00:36:41,370 and I looked outside. 738 00:36:41,370 --> 00:36:44,730 It was so blue, everywhere was blue, 739 00:36:44,730 --> 00:36:47,070 couldn't see the buildings or anything. 740 00:36:47,070 --> 00:36:48,243 And I got scared. 741 00:36:49,830 --> 00:36:53,820 I started for the house and I fell down, see? 742 00:36:53,820 --> 00:36:56,920 And then I finally got myself up and I fell down again 743 00:36:57,870 --> 00:36:59,013 and I couldn't get up. 744 00:37:00,090 --> 00:37:02,070 You just get an awful feeling in your body, 745 00:37:02,070 --> 00:37:04,920 like electricity would be going through you. 746 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,480 You could feel it going through your system 747 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,220 and in my nose and in my mouth. 748 00:37:08,220 --> 00:37:09,480 And then you could just taste 749 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,130 like a copper taste in your mouth. 750 00:37:11,130 --> 00:37:12,333 I could taste that. 751 00:37:13,530 --> 00:37:17,130 We stuffed rags beneath the door, so this wouldn't come in. 752 00:37:17,130 --> 00:37:18,880 But I think it was all the way in." 753 00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:25,830 This is a couple talking, the Hoovers, 754 00:37:25,830 --> 00:37:27,630 who had many problems with their cows 755 00:37:27,630 --> 00:37:29,823 and their own health after the accident. 756 00:37:32,857 --> 00:37:35,310 "Friday when my wife came back from work, 757 00:37:35,310 --> 00:37:38,280 I had a red pickup truck and she looked out and said, 758 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,190 'It's snowing out there.' 759 00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:44,850 She could see the white flakes against my red pickup truck. 760 00:37:44,850 --> 00:37:46,593 But I knew it wasn't snow. 761 00:37:47,790 --> 00:37:51,120 That night, we had little red spots on our arms 762 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,400 where we didn't have sleeves on. 763 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,650 Then the people from Three Mile Island came down 764 00:37:55,650 --> 00:37:58,530 and said, 'No, you didn't see anything. 765 00:37:58,530 --> 00:37:59,937 That's all imaginary.' 766 00:38:01,290 --> 00:38:03,837 But time will tell if anything happens to us." 767 00:38:07,590 --> 00:38:12,423 And this is Robert Weber, who was a veterinarian. 768 00:38:13,410 --> 00:38:15,003 He was interviewed in 1982. 769 00:38:18,007 --> 00:38:19,560 "The evidence of trouble came out 770 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,290 in sows and sheep and goats. 771 00:38:22,290 --> 00:38:24,990 When the Three Mile Island thing came to a head, 772 00:38:24,990 --> 00:38:27,030 we were having stillbirths, 773 00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:29,910 many in sheep, goats, and pigs. 774 00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:32,883 This problem spread all about 15 miles. 775 00:38:33,810 --> 00:38:36,660 Also, we had troubles with sheep just being found dead. 776 00:38:36,660 --> 00:38:38,193 Goats just being found dead. 777 00:38:39,810 --> 00:38:41,520 Cancer is our big deal now. 778 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,500 We have goats coming down with cancer, 779 00:38:43,500 --> 00:38:46,650 we have dogs with cancer, we have mules with cancer. 780 00:38:46,650 --> 00:38:48,933 And previous to that time, I never saw it. 781 00:38:51,090 --> 00:38:55,893 The animal kingdom, their lifespan is shorter than ours. 782 00:38:57,300 --> 00:38:59,750 So what about the people 10 years down the road?" 783 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,360 - We all knew in our hearts that this day was coming. 784 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,320 We just didn't know who, how many, and in what form. 785 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,190 - [Heidi] What was coming? 786 00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:12,750 - Cancer. - Cancer. 787 00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:14,070 - [Heidi] Oh, the cancer, yes. 788 00:39:14,070 --> 00:39:17,040 - Our first known cancer person, 789 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,450 it was a husband and a wife, 790 00:39:18,450 --> 00:39:21,180 and they lived up on Donald Avenue 791 00:39:21,180 --> 00:39:22,180 - Around the corner. 792 00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:27,300 - And my husband and I were talking about it 793 00:39:27,300 --> 00:39:29,190 and I said, "Hun, do you remember his name?" 794 00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:31,620 And because my husband worked 795 00:39:31,620 --> 00:39:34,380 with the neighbor across the street, Walter Roski, 796 00:39:34,380 --> 00:39:35,940 who developed brain cancer 797 00:39:35,940 --> 00:39:38,280 and died in a very short period of time. 798 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,200 - The neighbor next door here, 799 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,213 the wife developed breast cancer. 800 00:39:43,470 --> 00:39:45,600 And the gentleman who had brain cancer, 801 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:46,800 I can't think of his name either, 802 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,643 but when she died and her husband died, they married. 803 00:39:52,378 --> 00:39:54,930 Yeah, they got together and got married. 804 00:39:54,930 --> 00:39:57,000 - My next door neighbor developed breast cancer. 805 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,000 And she was in her 30s, Linda Beard. 806 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,430 - Oh, I remember Linda, yes. 807 00:40:02,430 --> 00:40:04,980 - And she decided no treatment at all. 808 00:40:04,980 --> 00:40:07,170 - There were children with brain, there was a child, 809 00:40:07,170 --> 00:40:08,687 a boy. - Brady. 810 00:40:08,687 --> 00:40:12,030 - And Lenos, their daughter, 811 00:40:12,030 --> 00:40:15,090 their daughter died of, was it leukemia? 812 00:40:15,090 --> 00:40:16,200 I don't remember. 813 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,000 She had cancer and passed. 814 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,660 And the father got cancer and passed. 815 00:40:21,660 --> 00:40:24,720 The plume went, as I understand it, towards the north. 816 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:27,990 My parents were right, they lived in Harrisburg. 817 00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:32,430 And both my parents died of cancer, both of 'em. 818 00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:34,860 It's the first time we've had cancer in our, you know, 819 00:40:34,860 --> 00:40:36,540 in our family history. 820 00:40:36,540 --> 00:40:38,550 - You start putting it all together 821 00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:40,380 when you're sitting around a kitchen table. 822 00:40:40,380 --> 00:40:42,240 Like if we didn't do that, 823 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:44,820 I might not know about Mr. Jones up the street having 824 00:40:44,820 --> 00:40:46,320 the brain tumor, you know? 825 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:51,320 I mean, so I just think there was a lot going on there 826 00:40:51,540 --> 00:40:53,493 that they probably never told us about. 827 00:40:54,750 --> 00:40:55,583 - [Heidi] What did they tell you 828 00:40:55,583 --> 00:40:57,210 about the amount of release 829 00:40:57,210 --> 00:40:59,460 or the levels of releases after the accident? 830 00:40:59,460 --> 00:41:02,490 - Oh, they said it was slightly above normal, if I remember, 831 00:41:02,490 --> 00:41:04,020 was their verbiage initially. 832 00:41:04,020 --> 00:41:07,530 And then honestly after that, I didn't wanna know. 833 00:41:07,530 --> 00:41:08,607 It scared me to know. 834 00:41:08,607 --> 00:41:12,930 All I kept thinking was hopefully I got my kids out of town 835 00:41:12,930 --> 00:41:16,203 in time, you know, but I've come to find out I didn't. 836 00:41:20,431 --> 00:41:23,880 - On Saturday night after the TMI accident happened, 837 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,193 I was coming back from San Antonio. 838 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,650 As I came down 441, I realized 839 00:41:31,650 --> 00:41:34,770 I had some kind of a strange metallic taste in my mouth. 840 00:41:34,770 --> 00:41:36,120 What is that? 841 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,730 You know, because they would tell you that you can't see it, 842 00:41:38,730 --> 00:41:41,043 you can't smell it, you can't feel it, 843 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,390 you know, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. 844 00:41:45,390 --> 00:41:47,280 - [Heidi] You were diagnosed recently with cancer. 845 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,260 What kind of cancer? 846 00:41:49,260 --> 00:41:53,400 - I have been diagnosed with cancer in my esophagus, 847 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,310 but it was very, it's been detected very early, 848 00:41:56,310 --> 00:41:59,670 so I'm fortunate in that respect. 849 00:41:59,670 --> 00:42:03,420 I've had a number of people 850 00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:06,120 that I've worked with over the years 851 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,193 that have not been as fortunate. 852 00:42:09,060 --> 00:42:11,820 My evening guy, Jim Roberts, 853 00:42:11,820 --> 00:42:15,600 he died of cancer a year and a half ago. 854 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:20,600 My, a dear friend who I had hired 43, 44 years ago, 855 00:42:21,690 --> 00:42:26,490 Chris Andre, he passed away from cancer last year. 856 00:42:26,490 --> 00:42:29,190 Mike Pintek, my news director 857 00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:31,470 who broke the story on the air, 858 00:42:31,470 --> 00:42:34,590 he died of cancer, 65 years old. 859 00:42:34,590 --> 00:42:38,853 Paul Baker, who was working at WHP, he died of cancer. 860 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,803 I lost my dad when he was 60. 861 00:42:44,850 --> 00:42:46,923 I lost my mom when she was 57. 862 00:42:48,090 --> 00:42:49,713 This is bonus time for me. 863 00:42:52,336 --> 00:42:53,169 I'm... 864 00:42:54,988 --> 00:42:58,110 I'm happy to be here with my family. 865 00:42:58,110 --> 00:42:59,133 My family is here. 866 00:43:01,140 --> 00:43:04,503 If we were to move, I'd be okay with that. 867 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,263 Do I feel safe? 868 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,193 I feel blessed that I've had a good life. 869 00:43:19,143 --> 00:43:21,726 (razor buzzes) 870 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,370 - I'm in solidarity with my dear beloved granddaughter. 871 00:43:29,370 --> 00:43:31,473 We just found out that she has cancer. 872 00:43:33,810 --> 00:43:35,910 The saddest part about all of this is, 873 00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:39,150 and I've had cancer myself, is that we really don't know 874 00:43:39,150 --> 00:43:42,153 what was an effect from the island and what wasn't. 875 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,400 I wish that there were people that cared to find answers 876 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:48,720 and we would have a baseline 877 00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:51,450 to know where we were going with this. 878 00:43:51,450 --> 00:43:52,283 Okay. 879 00:43:52,283 --> 00:43:53,924 But we don't. 880 00:43:53,924 --> 00:43:54,960 Love you, honey. - Love you too. 881 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,640 - Yeah, so what's going on? 882 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:57,900 You came back from the game. 883 00:43:57,900 --> 00:43:59,010 - Yeah, almost done. 884 00:43:59,010 --> 00:44:02,850 I have like two more videos I gotta watch 885 00:44:02,850 --> 00:44:04,110 and then take the test 886 00:44:04,110 --> 00:44:08,585 and then I have the big final test of 300 questions. 887 00:44:08,585 --> 00:44:09,418 - 300 questions. 888 00:44:09,418 --> 00:44:11,520 - Yeah, and then I'm all done. 889 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:12,900 - You can do it though, babe. 890 00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:13,850 You're a smart kid. 891 00:44:15,175 --> 00:44:17,758 (solemn music) 892 00:44:27,150 --> 00:44:32,130 - We were at the infamous NRC office in Middletown. 893 00:44:32,130 --> 00:44:34,830 Every Thursday, the Concerned Mothers, the four of us, 894 00:44:34,830 --> 00:44:36,690 we would meet with Lake Barrett 895 00:44:36,690 --> 00:44:38,490 and he would have his answers, 896 00:44:38,490 --> 00:44:41,190 none of which kind of made us feel comfortable 897 00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:42,870 by the end of the meeting. 898 00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:47,190 But we stayed coming almost for two years, every Thursday. 899 00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:48,780 - Every Thursday. - Every Thursday, 900 00:44:48,780 --> 00:44:52,020 the Concerned Mothers, the four of us would show up. 901 00:44:52,020 --> 00:44:53,340 - With all of your children? 902 00:44:53,340 --> 00:44:56,880 - With, no, mine were in school, Paula's were in school, 903 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,140 but Joyce had her daycare. 904 00:44:58,140 --> 00:44:59,540 So we had 10 kids with us every- 905 00:44:59,540 --> 00:45:01,620 - 10 kids? - 10 kids every Thursday. 906 00:45:01,620 --> 00:45:03,570 And I have to give Mr. Barrett credit, 907 00:45:03,570 --> 00:45:06,420 he was very gracious about us bringing those kids 908 00:45:06,420 --> 00:45:08,220 and letting them play in a corner 909 00:45:08,220 --> 00:45:10,443 while we would take care of business. 910 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:12,930 - So it looks really empty inside now. 911 00:45:12,930 --> 00:45:13,763 - Oh yeah. 912 00:45:13,763 --> 00:45:14,880 It's probably, 913 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,510 so much of this wasn't around here at the time. 914 00:45:18,510 --> 00:45:20,820 It was just this little strip mall. 915 00:45:20,820 --> 00:45:23,160 - What does it feel like to be here now? 916 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,750 - Oh, disheartening. 917 00:45:24,750 --> 00:45:28,590 I deal with cancer in three of my loved ones 918 00:45:28,590 --> 00:45:32,220 and I don't know if it's connected. 919 00:45:32,220 --> 00:45:34,200 I can't say it's not connected 920 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,220 because they didn't let me protect my kids and my family 921 00:45:38,220 --> 00:45:39,900 at the time of the accident. 922 00:45:39,900 --> 00:45:41,760 So how could I, in good conscience, 923 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,520 not think maybe if I had done something differently, 924 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:45,540 if I had known about it, 925 00:45:45,540 --> 00:45:47,940 that they wouldn't have the cancer today? 926 00:45:47,940 --> 00:45:49,920 - I became so painfully aware 927 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,590 that the NRC really didn't have a handle 928 00:45:52,590 --> 00:45:54,240 on what they were doing. 929 00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:56,370 And that they were truly torn 930 00:45:56,370 --> 00:46:01,370 between wanting to help the company and kind of protect us. 931 00:46:04,170 --> 00:46:09,170 And I got to believe that, you know, the NRC was the guy 932 00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:12,060 that wanted to ride two horses with one ass 933 00:46:12,060 --> 00:46:14,100 and they really couldn't do either one. 934 00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:16,600 (tense music) 935 00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:25,110 - The case for and against restarting 936 00:46:25,110 --> 00:46:27,630 the Three Mile Island nuclear plant was made today 937 00:46:27,630 --> 00:46:28,620 in Washington. 938 00:46:28,620 --> 00:46:30,870 The Nuclear Regulatory Commission held hearings 939 00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:34,800 this afternoon on a proposal to reopen the unit one reactor. 940 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,940 - Three Mile Island Alert was the main anti-nuclear group 941 00:46:38,940 --> 00:46:40,140 in Harrisburg. 942 00:46:40,140 --> 00:46:45,140 And they got a law firm to intervene in the hearings, 943 00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:46,740 but they just couldn't afford it. 944 00:46:46,740 --> 00:46:49,350 It was an enormous financial burden. 945 00:46:49,350 --> 00:46:52,140 And so what was Three Mile Island Alert gonna do? 946 00:46:52,140 --> 00:46:56,430 At that point, a waitress by the name of Louise Bradford, 947 00:46:56,430 --> 00:47:01,430 who worked at night at the local coffee shop said, 948 00:47:01,837 --> 00:47:03,150 "Oh, I'll do it. 949 00:47:03,150 --> 00:47:04,377 I'll take over." 950 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,557 She put a little ad in the newsletter and said, 951 00:47:08,557 --> 00:47:11,730 "Are there any attorneys out there that can help me?" 952 00:47:11,730 --> 00:47:14,553 So I'm reading this ad and I thought, oh, I'll do it. 953 00:47:17,700 --> 00:47:21,270 It was so apparent to me immediately 954 00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:23,040 that this was completely rigged 955 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,710 in favor of restarting the plant. 956 00:47:25,710 --> 00:47:28,080 The Nuclear Regulatory Commission is supposed 957 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,910 to protect the public, 958 00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:31,890 but all they're really concerned about is 959 00:47:31,890 --> 00:47:33,600 promoting the industry. 960 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,230 It's not unlike what we're seeing now with the FAA 961 00:47:37,230 --> 00:47:39,270 and planes and Boeing. 962 00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:42,363 The relationship is always way too cozy. 963 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:47,070 They had a hearing in DC in October of '81, 964 00:47:47,070 --> 00:47:51,000 and it was the most terrifying moment of my life. 965 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,120 I was not the kind of person that was confrontational. 966 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,780 I was pretty unassertive at that point in my life. 967 00:47:57,780 --> 00:48:02,160 And I just got up there and, I mean, I just went off. 968 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,400 I think that if there is any doubt in anyone's mind before 969 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,200 that this company should not be entrusted 970 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:08,940 to operate a nuclear power plant 971 00:48:08,940 --> 00:48:11,703 and should not be permitted to restart Three Mile Island, 972 00:48:11,703 --> 00:48:13,830 then this should remove all doubt. 973 00:48:13,830 --> 00:48:17,370 In law school, you learn how things are supposed to go. 974 00:48:17,370 --> 00:48:19,380 This is not how things are supposed to go. 975 00:48:19,380 --> 00:48:21,690 This is not what you're taught. 976 00:48:21,690 --> 00:48:22,920 This is corrupt. 977 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,450 - Much has been said about the accident 978 00:48:24,450 --> 00:48:25,770 that crippled a nuclear reactor 979 00:48:25,770 --> 00:48:27,980 at Pennsylvania's Three Mile Island nuclear power plant 980 00:48:27,980 --> 00:48:29,520 in 1979. 981 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,700 Today, as Chris Kelly reports, a federal grand jury charged 982 00:48:32,700 --> 00:48:35,850 that missing, altered, or misleading TMI records 983 00:48:35,850 --> 00:48:39,300 months before the accident were no accident. 984 00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:40,800 - [Chris] Company officials are accused 985 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,190 of faking, manipulating, and destroying information 986 00:48:44,190 --> 00:48:46,650 on how much radioactive water was leaking out 987 00:48:46,650 --> 00:48:49,200 of the reactor's cooling systems in the six months 988 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,660 preceding the nation's worst nuclear accident. 989 00:48:51,660 --> 00:48:54,360 - Their valves were all leaky 990 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,390 and they were falsifying the data 991 00:48:57,390 --> 00:49:01,740 to keep the plant from shutting down to fix these valves. 992 00:49:01,740 --> 00:49:03,120 - [Heidi] Prior to the original accident. 993 00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:04,350 - Yes. 994 00:49:04,350 --> 00:49:06,570 So the concern, of course, 995 00:49:06,570 --> 00:49:09,090 or the real connection to the accident was 996 00:49:09,090 --> 00:49:12,540 it was a stuck open valve that caused that accident. 997 00:49:12,540 --> 00:49:14,610 Had the leak rate falsification not been 998 00:49:14,610 --> 00:49:17,670 a systemic company policy, 999 00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:21,180 and it turns out it was also probably going on at unit one, 1000 00:49:21,180 --> 00:49:24,240 then the operators may have been more focused on the valve. 1001 00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:28,290 Instead, the company covered it up, the NRC covered it up 1002 00:49:28,290 --> 00:49:30,300 'cause they were told about this 1003 00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:34,380 two months after the accident, they knew about it, 1004 00:49:34,380 --> 00:49:37,440 covered it up, it all came out. 1005 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,990 Justice Department went right after them 1006 00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:44,340 and ultimately indicted the company for this. 1007 00:49:44,340 --> 00:49:46,020 And the company pled guilty. 1008 00:49:46,020 --> 00:49:48,690 That that company engaged in a policy 1009 00:49:48,690 --> 00:49:52,560 to systematically destroy documents and falsify leak rates 1010 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:57,030 perhaps says more about the integrity of current management 1011 00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:59,103 than any guilty plea could have. 1012 00:50:01,950 --> 00:50:03,630 Right around this time, 1013 00:50:03,630 --> 00:50:06,030 all the operators had to be relicensed 1014 00:50:06,030 --> 00:50:07,410 because there was such concern 1015 00:50:07,410 --> 00:50:08,940 that they didn't know what they were doing. 1016 00:50:08,940 --> 00:50:12,480 But it came out that they had all cheated. 1017 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,463 And at that point, 1018 00:50:15,690 --> 00:50:20,010 the NRC ordered hearings on the cheating scandal 1019 00:50:20,010 --> 00:50:22,383 because, I mean, it was just such an outrage. 1020 00:50:23,310 --> 00:50:27,720 So they reopened the hearings and Louise and I went back in 1021 00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:31,950 and we had to do these hearings on like the licensing exams 1022 00:50:31,950 --> 00:50:34,770 and cheating by these operators. 1023 00:50:34,770 --> 00:50:39,330 At the same time, 29,000 steam generator tubes were corroded 1024 00:50:39,330 --> 00:50:42,030 because somebody went in 1025 00:50:42,030 --> 00:50:44,940 and introduced sulfur into the cleaning solutions 1026 00:50:44,940 --> 00:50:47,070 and cracked all the steam generator tubes, 1027 00:50:47,070 --> 00:50:50,430 which was an incredibly unsafe thing to have happened. 1028 00:50:50,430 --> 00:50:53,430 I mean, we didn't wanna have to go through this again, 1029 00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:55,260 but we didn't have a choice. 1030 00:50:55,260 --> 00:50:57,870 I mean, we had to, there was nobody else to do it. 1031 00:50:57,870 --> 00:51:01,410 So Louise and I (laughs) just decided, 1032 00:51:01,410 --> 00:51:04,860 became experts on the physics of cracks. 1033 00:51:04,860 --> 00:51:06,222 What you're talking about 1034 00:51:06,222 --> 00:51:09,090 with a steam generator tube rupture is the possibility 1035 00:51:09,090 --> 00:51:12,120 of a major release of radiation into the environment. 1036 00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,970 That was all happening in 1983. 1037 00:51:14,970 --> 00:51:18,480 Same time, it turns out the company was harassing 1038 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,190 and intimidating whistleblowers 1039 00:51:20,190 --> 00:51:22,530 who were reporting safety violations 1040 00:51:22,530 --> 00:51:24,600 during the unit two cleanup. 1041 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,360 It was one thing after another after another. 1042 00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:32,360 And then somehow we won before the appeal board of the NRC 1043 00:51:32,550 --> 00:51:35,310 because of how rigged 1044 00:51:35,310 --> 00:51:39,360 and corrupt the original licensing board hearings were. 1045 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,580 And they listened to us. 1046 00:51:41,580 --> 00:51:43,420 So they reopened the hearings 1047 00:51:44,705 --> 00:51:47,430 and then, so there were even more hearings. 1048 00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:49,860 We were able to accomplish as much as we could, 1049 00:51:49,860 --> 00:51:52,020 just keeping the process going 1050 00:51:52,020 --> 00:51:54,450 and developing the political opposition. 1051 00:51:54,450 --> 00:51:56,907 At the point where the NRC commissioners said, 1052 00:51:56,907 --> 00:51:58,350 "Mo more, no more hearings. 1053 00:51:58,350 --> 00:51:59,183 We're stopping. 1054 00:51:59,183 --> 00:52:00,361 You're in the middle." 1055 00:52:00,361 --> 00:52:02,100 We were in the middle of hearings, 1056 00:52:02,100 --> 00:52:04,440 doing more and more hearings. 1057 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,190 They just couldn't take it anymore. 1058 00:52:07,470 --> 00:52:12,470 This was a company that was criminally convicted 1059 00:52:12,690 --> 00:52:14,160 of creating conditions that led 1060 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,280 to the worst commercial nuclear accident in history, 1061 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,533 taking no responsibility for it. 1062 00:52:20,820 --> 00:52:22,560 And the NRC said, "That's fine. 1063 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,060 You can go ahead and restart." 1064 00:52:24,900 --> 00:52:28,285 - [Chair] All those in favor, indicate by saying aye. 1065 00:52:28,285 --> 00:52:29,430 - [Members] Aye. 1066 00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:30,300 - Opposed? 1067 00:52:30,300 --> 00:52:31,800 - No. 1068 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,500 - [Chair] That concludes our vote. 1069 00:52:34,585 --> 00:52:36,212 - Murderers! 1070 00:52:36,212 --> 00:52:37,824 Murderers, that's what you are! 1071 00:52:37,824 --> 00:52:39,425 - Will you please- - Killing our children. 1072 00:52:39,425 --> 00:52:40,313 You are murderers! 1073 00:52:40,313 --> 00:52:43,410 - I think we've completed the business that we came for. 1074 00:52:43,410 --> 00:52:47,460 - After the company has been indicted for cheating, 1075 00:52:47,460 --> 00:52:51,360 for lying, falsifying leak rates, et cetera, 1076 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,790 it's like they're saying, "Oh, we've heard enough. 1077 00:52:53,790 --> 00:52:55,350 We don't wanna hear any more. 1078 00:52:55,350 --> 00:52:57,930 But it's okay, they can still operate the plant." 1079 00:52:57,930 --> 00:53:01,380 - And at that point, I had brought in another attorney, 1080 00:53:01,380 --> 00:53:03,240 a real litigator, 1081 00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:05,670 because I couldn't, I knew we were going to court soon 1082 00:53:05,670 --> 00:53:07,530 and I couldn't do it myself. 1083 00:53:07,530 --> 00:53:11,070 And Louise, I think, had just broken down at that point 1084 00:53:11,070 --> 00:53:12,843 and she was not able to continue. 1085 00:53:14,010 --> 00:53:15,930 So at the end, it was just myself 1086 00:53:15,930 --> 00:53:18,570 and the other lawyer that I brought in. 1087 00:53:18,570 --> 00:53:19,403 Her name was- - And who was that? 1088 00:53:19,403 --> 00:53:20,850 - Her name was Lynne Bernabei. 1089 00:53:20,850 --> 00:53:23,970 - After a lot of pressure from a lot of different sources, 1090 00:53:23,970 --> 00:53:26,610 including Congress, including the community, 1091 00:53:26,610 --> 00:53:28,680 including public interest groups, 1092 00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:33,680 the NRC said, "We're gonna have a hearing on..." 1093 00:53:34,260 --> 00:53:35,670 Essentially the hearing was 1094 00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:39,270 how much information did the utility have 1095 00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:41,100 in the first days of the accident 1096 00:53:41,100 --> 00:53:44,700 and did they lie to the community and to Congress 1097 00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:46,320 about what was going on? 1098 00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,210 And what we found through the hearing was 1099 00:53:48,210 --> 00:53:49,290 the answer was yes. 1100 00:53:49,290 --> 00:53:51,600 They definitively lied to the public 1101 00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,090 about how dangerous the situation was. 1102 00:53:54,090 --> 00:53:56,940 And all the studies, all the investigations 1103 00:53:56,940 --> 00:54:00,810 that happened afterward were coverups essentially. 1104 00:54:00,810 --> 00:54:02,700 - [Heidi] And who was covering it up? 1105 00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:03,960 - The nuclear industry 1106 00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,110 and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, 1107 00:54:07,110 --> 00:54:10,860 which is basically a handmaiden to the nuclear industry. 1108 00:54:10,860 --> 00:54:12,510 And they did many reports. 1109 00:54:12,510 --> 00:54:14,940 Of course this was a major incident at the time. 1110 00:54:14,940 --> 00:54:18,480 They did many reports and all those reports were coverups. 1111 00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:22,143 - And she litigated, she argued it. 1112 00:54:23,730 --> 00:54:27,210 And ultimately we lost three to one. 1113 00:54:27,210 --> 00:54:29,160 I mean, no, it's two to one, two to one. 1114 00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,050 It was before a three judge panel 1115 00:54:31,050 --> 00:54:32,760 before the third circuit in Philly. 1116 00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,010 We had a really good dissent. 1117 00:54:35,010 --> 00:54:37,050 All we were asking at that point was 1118 00:54:37,050 --> 00:54:38,340 that the hearings be continued 1119 00:54:38,340 --> 00:54:42,300 like the NRC said they wanted originally. 1120 00:54:42,300 --> 00:54:44,430 It's 'cause they were in violation of their own rules. 1121 00:54:44,430 --> 00:54:49,410 That's when I started hearing from like the Middletown moms 1122 00:54:49,410 --> 00:54:52,350 and Three Mile Island Alert, 1123 00:54:52,350 --> 00:54:55,800 begging me to just go to Supreme Court 1124 00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:00,790 'cause they could not live with an operating reactor 1125 00:55:01,710 --> 00:55:05,430 knowing they hadn't tried every possible thing. 1126 00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:07,740 I didn't know what I was doing, 1127 00:55:07,740 --> 00:55:09,780 but I asked friends of mine 1128 00:55:09,780 --> 00:55:12,090 who had done Supreme Court work, "How do I do this? 1129 00:55:12,090 --> 00:55:15,720 How do I apply for a stay of a third circuit decision 1130 00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:17,910 to stop a nuclear plant from operating?" 1131 00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:20,040 I sat down and I wrote this thing. 1132 00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,110 And the justice dealing 1133 00:55:22,110 --> 00:55:24,780 with the third circuit was a very liberal justice, 1134 00:55:24,780 --> 00:55:25,743 William Brennan. 1135 00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:29,910 I walked into the clerk's office, the Supreme Court, 1136 00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:31,110 and I'll never forget this. 1137 00:55:31,110 --> 00:55:33,187 The clerk says, 1138 00:55:33,187 --> 00:55:35,997 "Oh yeah, Mr. Justice Brennan's been waiting for this." 1139 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:42,993 And within four hours, the stay had been granted. 1140 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,090 So this is an article 1141 00:55:47,340 --> 00:55:49,920 that appeared in the local Harrisburg paper 1142 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,127 after I was able to get the ruling from Justice Brennan. 1143 00:55:54,127 --> 00:55:57,690 "10 members of a group called Concerned Mothers and Women 1144 00:55:57,690 --> 00:56:00,030 picketed outside the Capitol yesterday, 1145 00:56:00,030 --> 00:56:01,830 then marched to Thornburgh's office 1146 00:56:01,830 --> 00:56:05,220 to ask him to continue his fight against the restart. 1147 00:56:05,220 --> 00:56:08,940 The women carried small American flags and signs. 1148 00:56:08,940 --> 00:56:13,320 One of them reading, 'If TMI opens, democracy dies.' 1149 00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:14,790 'We're counting on the governor, 1150 00:56:14,790 --> 00:56:17,280 we've got all our eggs in his basket,' 1151 00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,300 Paula Kinney told Thornburgh's press secretary.'" 1152 00:56:21,930 --> 00:56:25,020 I got a lot of nice notes from people at that time. 1153 00:56:25,020 --> 00:56:28,233 This was a phone message from Paula Kinney. 1154 00:56:29,137 --> 00:56:31,530 "Wanted to thank you for what you've done. 1155 00:56:31,530 --> 00:56:33,207 They don't have the words." 1156 00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,503 So kind of makes me even cry now, you know? 1157 00:56:38,460 --> 00:56:39,720 It's really something. 1158 00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:41,070 - We were initially elated. 1159 00:56:41,070 --> 00:56:45,060 We were thinking, my gosh, this may be the turning point. 1160 00:56:45,060 --> 00:56:46,590 They may clean that up 1161 00:56:46,590 --> 00:56:51,540 and if nuclear power is going to exist and move on, 1162 00:56:51,540 --> 00:56:53,663 we will know how to clean it up. 1163 00:56:53,663 --> 00:56:55,470 We will set a precedent 1164 00:56:55,470 --> 00:56:59,250 that you cannot run a nuclear power plant dangerously. 1165 00:56:59,250 --> 00:57:01,170 Things will be better. 1166 00:57:01,170 --> 00:57:03,270 Unfortunately, that wasn't what happened. 1167 00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:05,520 - The court came back in two weeks, 1168 00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,920 the full court in session, 1169 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,940 and on October 2nd, I think it was, 1170 00:57:11,940 --> 00:57:13,863 voted eight to one to reverse him. 1171 00:57:14,850 --> 00:57:16,743 And the plant started the next day. 1172 00:57:19,830 --> 00:57:22,200 It was devastating to think 1173 00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,580 that that company was gonna be allowed 1174 00:57:25,620 --> 00:57:28,533 to continue to traumatize that community. 1175 00:57:29,460 --> 00:57:34,460 - I mean, if they would license GPU to run a nuclear plant, 1176 00:57:35,366 --> 00:57:37,200 (laughs) I used to say they'd license a dog to do it 1177 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,200 because they were the, they had zero integrity, 1178 00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,990 they only cared about profits, 1179 00:57:42,990 --> 00:57:45,360 and they lied and lied and lied. 1180 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:46,950 So if they would, you know, 1181 00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:50,905 the NRC would just go along with whatever GPU wanted. 1182 00:57:50,905 --> 00:57:53,007 โ™ช God bless America โ™ช 1183 00:57:53,007 --> 00:57:55,170 - [Reporter] For these anti-nuclear protestors, 1184 00:57:55,170 --> 00:57:57,480 last night was their darkest hour. 1185 00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,450 It marked the end of a 6 1/2 year legal battle 1186 00:58:00,450 --> 00:58:03,630 to keep Three Mile Island's undamaged unit one reactor 1187 00:58:03,630 --> 00:58:04,922 shut down. 1188 00:58:04,922 --> 00:58:09,840 - Ironically, 6 1/2 years ago when I became involved, 1189 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,970 I told my children, I have four children, 1190 00:58:11,970 --> 00:58:16,230 that to believe in the system and that it would work 1191 00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:19,980 and that we were as right as might, 1192 00:58:19,980 --> 00:58:22,170 and that money would not come ahead 1193 00:58:22,170 --> 00:58:25,050 of the public's health and safety. 1194 00:58:25,050 --> 00:58:26,850 - The real thing that's special 1195 00:58:26,850 --> 00:58:30,780 about this case is the community. 1196 00:58:30,780 --> 00:58:33,630 That really, really traumatized people, 1197 00:58:33,630 --> 00:58:36,720 but they've really kept going all these years. 1198 00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,480 They've really had the strength to keep going, 1199 00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,730 to get to the bottom of what really happened. 1200 00:58:42,977 --> 00:58:45,477 (tense music) 1201 00:58:57,870 --> 00:59:00,000 - We got so involved right from the beginning. 1202 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,820 We just wanted someone to listen to our concerns 1203 00:59:02,820 --> 00:59:04,830 and you were the person. 1204 00:59:04,830 --> 00:59:06,270 - You know, I think I'd been there a few weeks. 1205 00:59:06,270 --> 00:59:07,995 It wasn't long. - Right, it wasn't long. 1206 00:59:07,995 --> 00:59:09,390 - And we had the Middletown office 1207 00:59:09,390 --> 00:59:12,090 and somebody said they're picketing 1208 00:59:12,090 --> 00:59:15,155 and there's television cameras at the office. 1209 00:59:15,155 --> 00:59:16,166 And I said, "What do you mean? 1210 00:59:16,166 --> 00:59:17,220 There's nobody there at the office." 1211 00:59:17,220 --> 00:59:20,100 And there, by golly, was Channel Eight 1212 00:59:20,100 --> 00:59:22,290 and you all were protesting. 1213 00:59:22,290 --> 00:59:24,750 It looked like people were hiding inside 1214 00:59:24,750 --> 00:59:26,310 and you refused to come out. 1215 00:59:26,310 --> 00:59:27,900 Really wrong message. 1216 00:59:27,900 --> 00:59:30,270 So I jumped in the car and went over there 1217 00:59:30,270 --> 00:59:32,940 and of course the TV cameras had gone, but you were there. 1218 00:59:32,940 --> 00:59:35,400 I said, well, I had a key, so come on in. 1219 00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:39,047 - We came every Thursday, like at 10 o'clock in the morning. 1220 00:59:39,047 --> 00:59:39,960 - Yeah, it was very, well, I mean, 1221 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,390 you were all sincere people. 1222 00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:43,480 I mean, you weren't crazy people. 1223 00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:47,490 - Yeah, but I think the thing like is 1224 00:59:47,490 --> 00:59:49,410 because there was a little, 1225 00:59:49,410 --> 00:59:53,580 there was that not telling of the venting and the accident. 1226 00:59:53,580 --> 00:59:57,480 We'll never really know how much was radiated 1227 00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,910 on my kids two days before they came out 1228 00:59:59,910 --> 01:00:01,650 on that Friday and said. 1229 01:00:01,650 --> 01:00:04,260 Only God knows that when it's all said and done. 1230 01:00:04,260 --> 01:00:08,490 But you took away my right to protect them 1231 01:00:08,490 --> 01:00:12,330 by not being more forthright with the communication. 1232 01:00:12,330 --> 01:00:14,220 - But there was so many questions 1233 01:00:14,220 --> 01:00:16,500 that there was no answer for. 1234 01:00:16,500 --> 01:00:19,320 What was the worst thing that could've possibly happened? 1235 01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:20,400 Well, I mean, I don't know. 1236 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,050 You know, we don't know, you know, 1237 01:00:22,050 --> 01:00:24,330 what that might've been, okay? 1238 01:00:24,330 --> 01:00:26,423 You know, if this, if this, if this, if this, if this. 1239 01:00:27,627 --> 01:00:28,590 You know, when is the comet gonna come 1240 01:00:28,590 --> 01:00:29,423 and we're all gonna die? 1241 01:00:29,423 --> 01:00:30,810 I don't know, okay? 1242 01:00:30,810 --> 01:00:32,680 Science can't tell you that. 1243 01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,230 If you'd gone in the control room, okay, 1244 01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:35,340 and you could sit there 1245 01:00:35,340 --> 01:00:37,500 and you could watch it a fly on the wall, 1246 01:00:37,500 --> 01:00:41,220 they didn't know that they had melted the core. 1247 01:00:41,220 --> 01:00:44,070 So it wasn't that we were being evasive 1248 01:00:44,070 --> 01:00:46,050 or trying to hide something. 1249 01:00:46,050 --> 01:00:49,080 Yes, there were some releases, but they were very small. 1250 01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:50,940 The psychological trauma 1251 01:00:50,940 --> 01:00:55,530 of it all was really the greater health impact. 1252 01:00:55,530 --> 01:00:59,940 I mean, millions of Americans through diagnostic tests, 1253 01:00:59,940 --> 01:01:04,170 you know, get thousands of times more radiation 1254 01:01:04,170 --> 01:01:06,320 than anybody at Three Mile Island ever got. 1255 01:01:12,983 --> 01:01:14,220 - [Speaker] How was the trip? 1256 01:01:14,220 --> 01:01:18,067 - Well, it started out very interestingly, because I said, 1257 01:01:18,067 --> 01:01:22,110 "What did you think that we got out of our meetings?" 1258 01:01:22,110 --> 01:01:24,210 And he goes, well, he said, "You seem sincere 1259 01:01:24,210 --> 01:01:28,640 about wanting to know what was going on and everything." 1260 01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,847 - See, I find that so insulting. 1261 01:01:30,847 --> 01:01:32,850 "You seem sincere." 1262 01:01:32,850 --> 01:01:37,260 We're talking about the health and safety of our kids. 1263 01:01:37,260 --> 01:01:38,730 Our families, our neighbors. 1264 01:01:38,730 --> 01:01:41,430 I mean, for God's sake, why not be honest? 1265 01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:43,410 Why not tell the truth? 1266 01:01:43,410 --> 01:01:45,120 - Well they couldn't, Paula, you know, 1267 01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,550 like there was no way they were gonna admit- 1268 01:01:47,550 --> 01:01:49,100 - That they didn't know what they were doing. 1269 01:01:49,100 --> 01:01:49,933 - So I did say- 1270 01:01:49,933 --> 01:01:54,780 - So they faked being honest and being there for the public. 1271 01:01:54,780 --> 01:01:55,620 We're gonna come 1272 01:01:55,620 --> 01:01:59,550 and we're just gonna hear wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah. 1273 01:01:59,550 --> 01:02:01,980 - I did honestly walk away from there thinking 1274 01:02:01,980 --> 01:02:06,300 that I was healed a little bit facing Goliath. 1275 01:02:06,300 --> 01:02:07,350 - I don't feel healed, 1276 01:02:07,350 --> 01:02:10,830 but I do feel vindicated in the fact that I wasn't crazy. 1277 01:02:10,830 --> 01:02:12,330 I didn't make this up. 1278 01:02:12,330 --> 01:02:14,280 I didn't have to go home and bake my cookies 1279 01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:15,480 like they told me to. 1280 01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,340 - I'm with Joyce, I don't feel healed. 1281 01:02:17,340 --> 01:02:21,750 I mean, I don't feel like I needed to be healed. 1282 01:02:21,750 --> 01:02:24,360 I just feel like it's black and white. 1283 01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,558 - You two are nice, and Paula and I are junkyard dogs. 1284 01:02:27,558 --> 01:02:28,470 - (laughs) Yeah. 1285 01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:31,107 I'm afraid you're very gracious and kind. 1286 01:02:31,107 --> 01:02:34,740 I'm not there and I don't think I'll ever be there. 1287 01:02:34,740 --> 01:02:38,700 I'm sorry, I resent Lake Barrett 1288 01:02:38,700 --> 01:02:41,880 for his condescending attitude. 1289 01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,010 I resent it. - Yeah. 1290 01:02:44,010 --> 01:02:47,550 - I resent it and I resent what they did to us. 1291 01:02:47,550 --> 01:02:48,720 I resent it. 1292 01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,060 I'd love to be a forgiving, loving person. 1293 01:02:51,060 --> 01:02:52,380 I'm not forgiving. 1294 01:02:52,380 --> 01:02:54,690 This is my family that they played with. 1295 01:02:54,690 --> 01:02:56,100 - [Heidi] When we spoke to Lake Barrett, 1296 01:02:56,100 --> 01:02:59,070 he said that nothing significant was released 1297 01:02:59,070 --> 01:03:00,480 from the containment vessels. 1298 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,400 Do you believe that? 1299 01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,710 - I don't believe anything they said 1300 01:03:04,710 --> 01:03:06,510 about how much radiation came out. 1301 01:03:06,510 --> 01:03:09,030 First of all, the monitors were off 1302 01:03:09,030 --> 01:03:12,450 when they weren't working, so nobody will ever really know. 1303 01:03:12,450 --> 01:03:15,357 But given the amount of damage that went on there 1304 01:03:15,357 --> 01:03:18,750 and the half the core melted, 1305 01:03:18,750 --> 01:03:21,600 to suspect that they weren't releasing any radiation 1306 01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:25,080 into the public when that was going on, it's absurd. 1307 01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,390 And obviously there was a lot of radiation 1308 01:03:27,390 --> 01:03:29,610 that came outta that plant at that time. 1309 01:03:29,610 --> 01:03:31,800 They were covering up everything. 1310 01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:33,030 - Can I tell you an anecdote? 1311 01:03:33,030 --> 01:03:33,980 - Sure. - This is, 1312 01:03:34,950 --> 01:03:36,930 you know, I listened to this labor series, 1313 01:03:36,930 --> 01:03:40,050 so they had John Sayles about the White Sox, right? 1314 01:03:40,050 --> 01:03:40,980 And the fixing. 1315 01:03:40,980 --> 01:03:44,460 So he says that coverup never holds, 1316 01:03:44,460 --> 01:03:45,900 you always get to the truth. 1317 01:03:45,900 --> 01:03:49,140 And I'm here thinking, no, that's not what happens. 1318 01:03:49,140 --> 01:03:51,690 Actually, the coverups work a lot of the time. 1319 01:03:51,690 --> 01:03:53,160 Think of Three Mile Island. 1320 01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,710 It's one of the biggest coverups in history 1321 01:03:55,710 --> 01:03:57,243 that hasn't been uncovered. 1322 01:03:58,248 --> 01:04:00,748 (tense music) 1323 01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:15,900 - [Heidi] How did the accident 1324 01:04:15,900 --> 01:04:18,720 at Three Mile Island change you? 1325 01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:23,040 - I was interviewed when the accident happened at Fukushima, 1326 01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:26,520 and a lady from Japan asked me, 1327 01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:30,150 what could I tell the people around Fukushima? 1328 01:04:30,150 --> 01:04:35,150 And I told them, "Do not believe what the company tells you 1329 01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:39,210 and question everything the government tells you." 1330 01:04:39,210 --> 01:04:40,293 That was my lesson. 1331 01:04:41,250 --> 01:04:43,200 - I believe I changed 1332 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:48,200 because I got a relationship with Jesus Christ 1333 01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:53,840 and my faith in God is what empowers me 1334 01:04:56,430 --> 01:04:59,340 to keep moving forward. 1335 01:04:59,340 --> 01:05:02,220 - It was like my whole world was turned inside out, 1336 01:05:02,220 --> 01:05:07,220 from being the happy mom and taking care of my kids 1337 01:05:07,289 --> 01:05:11,450 and going to the PTAs and to... 1338 01:05:12,552 --> 01:05:15,420 I just didn't understand what was going on. 1339 01:05:15,420 --> 01:05:20,370 So I decided that I needed to know what happened. 1340 01:05:20,370 --> 01:05:24,960 - I had to grow a set, pull up my britches, 1341 01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:28,353 and figure out how I was gonna make this right for my kids. 1342 01:05:29,340 --> 01:05:31,320 And it was a tough battle 1343 01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:35,160 because it was not my nature to get out in the public. 1344 01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:36,330 And between the four of us, 1345 01:05:36,330 --> 01:05:40,650 we all developed strength and character 1346 01:05:40,650 --> 01:05:45,360 and integrity as growing women taking care of business 1347 01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,243 because the government wasn't taking care of it for us. 1348 01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,620 - By the end, it changed my life. 1349 01:05:52,620 --> 01:05:54,750 I became the person who I am today. 1350 01:05:54,750 --> 01:05:58,680 I became a powerful woman as a result of this case. 1351 01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:00,308 There's no question. 1352 01:06:00,308 --> 01:06:03,570 I became a completely different person 1353 01:06:03,570 --> 01:06:05,193 than I was when I started out. 1354 01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,510 But I feel such enormous sympathy 1355 01:06:09,510 --> 01:06:12,600 for everybody that had to live around there. 1356 01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:16,710 The traumatic experience of living through that accident 1357 01:06:16,710 --> 01:06:19,500 and then having a restarted plant, 1358 01:06:19,500 --> 01:06:21,870 but it's also actual health effects, 1359 01:06:21,870 --> 01:06:26,610 which they were 100% right to be concerned about that. 1360 01:06:26,610 --> 01:06:29,040 There were never adequate health studies done 1361 01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:30,453 from the very beginning. 1362 01:06:31,530 --> 01:06:32,670 Maybe there are some 1363 01:06:32,670 --> 01:06:34,680 that have attempted to do something since, 1364 01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,830 but at the time, people in the state who were attempting 1365 01:06:37,830 --> 01:06:39,720 to do proper health studies were blocked. 1366 01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:41,400 They were not allowed to do it. 1367 01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,550 And so nobody really has kept proper track 1368 01:06:44,550 --> 01:06:46,353 of the health of people. 1369 01:06:50,250 --> 01:06:53,250 - All I have ever heard was that no one died at TMI. 1370 01:06:53,250 --> 01:06:54,450 All the studies said 1371 01:06:54,450 --> 01:06:57,720 that everything was within normal limits, 1372 01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:00,060 but I don't think it was. 1373 01:07:00,060 --> 01:07:03,420 And it's just my reporter instinct is telling me 1374 01:07:03,420 --> 01:07:07,260 there's more to this story when I see the incidences. 1375 01:07:07,260 --> 01:07:09,150 There's a Facebook page, 1376 01:07:09,150 --> 01:07:11,940 the Three Mile Island Survivors Group. 1377 01:07:11,940 --> 01:07:15,300 And when you read what people are going through, 1378 01:07:15,300 --> 01:07:16,623 it's heartbreaking. 1379 01:07:17,850 --> 01:07:20,910 - If you look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki and Chernobyl, 1380 01:07:20,910 --> 01:07:23,460 I mean, people are still suffering from that, right? 1381 01:07:23,460 --> 01:07:24,480 So it's hard to say 1382 01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,000 that how much radiation effect persists for how long. 1383 01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:28,500 We can only do it by the studies 1384 01:07:28,500 --> 01:07:30,810 which we have found in other places. 1385 01:07:30,810 --> 01:07:32,940 - [Heidi] Do you wish there were more studies done here? 1386 01:07:32,940 --> 01:07:33,870 - Oh, there should be. 1387 01:07:33,870 --> 01:07:35,190 Absolutely. 1388 01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:37,170 - [Heidi] Do you live near a nuclear power plant? 1389 01:07:37,170 --> 01:07:38,003 - No. 1390 01:07:38,003 --> 01:07:38,883 - Would you? - No. 1391 01:07:41,392 --> 01:07:42,600 (laughs) Why would I take a chance in my life 1392 01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:43,550 if I don't have to? 1393 01:07:45,450 --> 01:07:47,460 - [Heidi] Your work has come out of looking 1394 01:07:47,460 --> 01:07:49,770 at Dr. Steve Wing's work. 1395 01:07:49,770 --> 01:07:52,250 What led you to what you are doing? 1396 01:07:52,250 --> 01:07:56,460 - In the paper he published, there is a brief reference 1397 01:07:56,460 --> 01:07:59,170 to some work by Russian investigators 1398 01:08:00,030 --> 01:08:02,220 where they looked at the blood of people 1399 01:08:02,220 --> 01:08:05,370 who had been affected by the Three Mile Island accident 1400 01:08:05,370 --> 01:08:08,970 and they found troubling levels of genetic damage. 1401 01:08:08,970 --> 01:08:11,760 The genetic damage to people around Three Mile Island 1402 01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:15,060 that the Russian investigators assert was the same 1403 01:08:15,060 --> 01:08:17,069 as the level of genetic damage they found 1404 01:08:17,069 --> 01:08:19,740 in a village in Western Siberia 1405 01:08:19,740 --> 01:08:21,300 that had been exposed to fallout 1406 01:08:21,300 --> 01:08:24,479 from the Soviet Union's first atom bomb test. 1407 01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,630 So it's like the Russians are saying essentially, 1408 01:08:27,630 --> 01:08:30,479 Three Mile Island blew up like an atom bomb. 1409 01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,520 I think that's sort of the bottom line. 1410 01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,280 The people affected by the accident at Three Mile Island 1411 01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,469 in many cases are still alive. 1412 01:08:37,469 --> 01:08:38,370 And it's possible, 1413 01:08:38,370 --> 01:08:41,490 using new technologies that are more sensitive, 1414 01:08:41,490 --> 01:08:44,399 to go back and repeat the cytogenetic testing. 1415 01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:47,160 And I can set about testing individuals 1416 01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,160 around Three Mile Island who are willing to be tested 1417 01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:52,350 to see whether the level of genetic damage 1418 01:08:52,350 --> 01:08:54,333 that Shachenko found actually is there. 1419 01:08:55,538 --> 01:08:57,991 (solemn music) 1420 01:08:57,991 --> 01:09:00,241 (cow moos) 1421 01:09:05,362 --> 01:09:06,194 - We're doing this study 1422 01:09:06,194 --> 01:09:09,059 to look at potential chromosomal damage 1423 01:09:09,059 --> 01:09:11,410 from the Three Mile Island nuclear power plant, 1424 01:09:13,290 --> 01:09:15,180 and we will be able to determine that 1425 01:09:15,180 --> 01:09:17,370 from the blood draws today. 1426 01:09:17,370 --> 01:09:20,340 The March 28th, 1979 accident 1427 01:09:20,340 --> 01:09:22,500 at the Three Mile Island nuclear power plant released 1428 01:09:22,500 --> 01:09:26,399 large quantities of radioactive noble gases 1429 01:09:26,399 --> 01:09:27,870 into the atmosphere, 1430 01:09:27,870 --> 01:09:30,420 which were inhaled by individuals living downwind 1431 01:09:30,420 --> 01:09:32,430 from the plant at the time. 1432 01:09:32,430 --> 01:09:36,300 The research entails examination of the chromosomes 1433 01:09:36,300 --> 01:09:38,670 of persons who lived in that area 1434 01:09:38,670 --> 01:09:42,120 using modern techniques of analysis, 1435 01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:44,160 focused on changes to chromosomes 1436 01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,800 that persist across decades. 1437 01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:49,229 - And the government honestly could have examined everyone 1438 01:09:49,229 --> 01:09:50,790 directly in 1979. 1439 01:09:50,790 --> 01:09:52,961 They had the technology and the money 1440 01:09:52,961 --> 01:09:53,795 and they could have done it, 1441 01:09:53,795 --> 01:09:55,530 and I feel that they should have done it. 1442 01:09:55,530 --> 01:09:57,389 But at this point in time, 1443 01:09:57,389 --> 01:09:58,677 this is the state-of-the-art technology, 1444 01:09:58,677 --> 01:10:01,050 and I think this is the best that could possibly be done. 1445 01:10:01,050 --> 01:10:03,809 - The important thing is that it's truthful 1446 01:10:03,809 --> 01:10:06,180 because we've been lied to for so long. 1447 01:10:06,180 --> 01:10:07,730 - The truth shall set you free. 1448 01:10:09,780 --> 01:10:11,423 You know? 1449 01:10:11,423 --> 01:10:13,050 And what are we gonna be set free of? 1450 01:10:13,050 --> 01:10:15,780 If we can really prove that on paper, 1451 01:10:15,780 --> 01:10:18,150 what we have known in our hearts for years. 1452 01:10:18,150 --> 01:10:21,270 - Being pregnant at the time just blew me away. 1453 01:10:21,270 --> 01:10:24,690 And here I was for nine months, 1454 01:10:24,690 --> 01:10:29,663 actually concerned whether my child would have 10 fingers 1455 01:10:29,663 --> 01:10:31,183 and 10 toes. 1456 01:10:31,183 --> 01:10:32,190 - You know, my husband, 1457 01:10:32,190 --> 01:10:34,469 he has basal and squamous cell cancer. 1458 01:10:34,469 --> 01:10:37,260 We're down at Hershey every three months 1459 01:10:37,260 --> 01:10:40,443 for his head, his neck, his ears. 1460 01:10:41,490 --> 01:10:42,840 My daughter had melanoma 1461 01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:46,800 and now she's had basal cell again on her right breast. 1462 01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:47,633 So... 1463 01:10:48,510 --> 01:10:50,520 - [Heidi] And where was the melanoma? 1464 01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:52,020 - On her stomach. 1465 01:10:52,020 --> 01:10:55,020 Now my son had squamous cell under his fingernails 1466 01:10:55,020 --> 01:10:58,139 and lost the tip of his finger when he was in high school. 1467 01:10:58,139 --> 01:10:59,550 - [Heidi] Would you like to see the plume map? 1468 01:10:59,550 --> 01:11:00,383 Because- 1469 01:11:00,383 --> 01:11:01,532 - No, I don't. 1470 01:11:03,602 --> 01:11:04,770 No, I don't. 1471 01:11:04,770 --> 01:11:06,960 - I can respect that actually. 1472 01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:08,280 It's a scientific problem for me, 1473 01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,852 but for you it's something very different. 1474 01:11:10,852 --> 01:11:12,000 - Yeah, because there are days 1475 01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:17,000 that I could actually probably tell myself it didn't happen. 1476 01:11:32,322 --> 01:11:33,802 - Okay. - Okay. 1477 01:11:33,802 --> 01:11:35,003 - Alright. 1478 01:11:35,003 --> 01:11:36,240 - Okay, do you have a preference on blood draw, 1479 01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:39,270 arm, hand, or which arm you would like me to use? 1480 01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:40,800 - That antecubital. 1481 01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:42,750 - Tourniquet, it's gonna be very tight. 1482 01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:52,293 A little pinch. 1483 01:11:53,943 --> 01:11:56,527 (solemn music) 1484 01:12:07,837 --> 01:12:10,139 Beautiful blood draw. 1485 01:12:10,139 --> 01:12:12,243 15 minutes, you may take your bandaid off. 1486 01:12:16,230 --> 01:12:17,280 Thank you, Linda. 1487 01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:18,480 - You're welcome. 1488 01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:19,313 Thank you. 1489 01:12:20,874 --> 01:12:23,457 (solemn music) 1490 01:12:38,746 --> 01:12:40,663 - Oh, thank you. - Okay. 1491 01:12:41,764 --> 01:12:43,347 Yeah, now I'm good. 1492 01:12:43,347 --> 01:12:45,990 Well, girls, this is, we started out- 1493 01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:47,605 - It's like we did it together. 1494 01:12:47,605 --> 01:12:49,650 - All four of us together. 1495 01:12:49,650 --> 01:12:51,540 - Four together with babes in arms. 1496 01:12:51,540 --> 01:12:53,250 - These last two years, we didn't get up 1497 01:12:53,250 --> 01:12:56,100 at four o'clock in the morning and go to the island. 1498 01:12:56,100 --> 01:12:58,920 - It's our 55th anniversary just the other day. 1499 01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:00,209 Sunday. 1500 01:13:00,209 --> 01:13:01,041 When was it, Sunday? 1501 01:13:01,041 --> 01:13:01,875 Yeah. - Yeah. 1502 01:13:01,875 --> 01:13:02,880 - Oh, 55, that's right. 1503 01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,625 You're the oldest married one in the group. 1504 01:13:05,625 --> 01:13:08,208 (solemn music) 1505 01:13:35,284 --> 01:13:38,701 (solemn music continues) 1506 01:14:05,724 --> 01:14:09,141 (solemn music continues) 1507 01:14:35,145 --> 01:14:38,562 (solemn music continues) 1508 01:14:43,067 --> 01:14:45,650 (gentle music) 1509 01:15:13,073 --> 01:15:16,490 (gentle music continues) 1510 01:15:43,268 --> 01:15:46,684 (gentle music continues) 1511 01:16:13,166 --> 01:16:16,584 (gentle music continues) 118349

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