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{\an8}[waves splashing]
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-[indistinct chatter]
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[Dana] Um, we're here today
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on a motion for relief
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from judgement filed
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by Mr. Wershe.
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As both parties know,
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the parties are not...
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{\an8}[Wershe]
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Being in prison
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the last 29 years-
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is like being dead.
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{\an8}[Dana]
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"Now based on my readings of...
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[Wershe]
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The only connection I have
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to the free world-
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is this telephone.
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You see your kids grow up-
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but you have no part
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of anything.
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It's like living in
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the ultimate purgatory.
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[Dana] "The case law
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over the last decade
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has demanded
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{\an8}that we treat juveniles
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{\an8}constitutionally different
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than adults.
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That difference requires us
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to consider
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the defendant's age
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at the time when crime... "
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[Wershe]
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Sitting here in front
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of the judge-
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scared as hell-
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I know this is the best chance
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{\an8}of getting my life back.
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{\an8}And I know everything rides
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{\an8}on what this judge is
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about to say.
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Everyone knows who I am-
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but no one knows the
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real reason I'm in here.
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[splatters]
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[Chris] The teenage drug dealer
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nicknamed "White Boy Rick,"
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was busted at age 17.
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{\an8}And has served 28 years
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{\an8}behind bars,
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{\an8}the longest ever in Michigan
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for a non-violent juvenile.
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{\an8}[Steve] You're not gonna
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{\an8}convince any judge
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{\an8}in this day and age
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that somebody deserves life
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for selling drugs.
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How many of you have heard
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about the drug problem
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in our schools?
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{\an8}The only thing
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{\an8}that I legitimately remember
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{\an8}about the War on Drugs
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in the '80s
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when I was a child,
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was seeing Nancy Reagan
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on Diff'rent Strokes,
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telling, you know, Gary Coleman,
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"Just say no."
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All drugs are dumb.
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[Scott] He was moving kilos.
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{\an8}When you're 17 years old
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{\an8}and you're moving kilos,
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{\an8}you know, you're at a status
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of drug dealer
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that most 17-year-olds
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don't reach.
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And I'll tell you
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from what I can see
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as a judge now,
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the War on Drugs is over,
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and drugs won.
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[Joe] Young Boys Incorporated,
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originally, was the gang
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that really institutionalized
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{\an8}and industrialized
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{\an8}the distribution of heroine.
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{\an8}Detroit's heroin market
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gave way to cocaine
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which quickly gave way
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to crack cocaine.
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[Tom Brokaw] Crack is a plague
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of the inner cities
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in this country,
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and that's been especially true
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in Detroit.
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[Kevin] The city, literally,
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right in front of your eyes
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was falling apart.
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{\an8}It was chaos.
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{\an8}And nobody knew
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{\an8}how to handle it.
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This chamber here holds
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12 shotgun shells
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and everything...
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As part of a five-part series
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on the crack problem,
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I went on dozens and dozens
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and dozens
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of narcotics raids
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with the No Crack Task Force.
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-[policeman #1] Police!
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-[policeman #2] Get them out!
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-[clatters]
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-[shatters]
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It was crazy.
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I mean, today, you probably
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wouldn't get away with that.
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[Chris] Agents say
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the gang was well armed.
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In many of the homes,
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they found assault weapons.
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{\an8}It was very, very violent.
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{\an8}We had officers shot,
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{\an8}uh, a couple of them killed.
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And I was right
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in the middle of it.
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[Herm] I was on, uh,
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the drug squad for the FBI.
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But in the course
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of some of these raids,
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they discovered a cache
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of videotapes.
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[Chris] And this is one
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of the drug homes
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owned by the Chambers Brothers,
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the notorious drug gang.
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[gang member #1]
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Money, money, money!
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We're rich, goddamn it!
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A hundred and fifty
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thousand dollars. Cash.
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[Chris]
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They go through the homes.
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The faucets, 24 karat gold.
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And this was amazing stuff.
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{\an8}[William] Once upon a time,
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{\an8}drug dealers was truly idolized.
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{\an8}They had all the man toys
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{\an8}that they wanted.
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{\an8}Cars, planes, housing,
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weapons.
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[Gregg]
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The money was just unlimited.
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{\an8}And it becomes a problem
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{\an8}because it's a cash business.
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{\an8}[gang member #1] Should we
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throw these ones away, man,
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since we got $500,000?
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What do you do
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with all that cash?
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[gang member #2]
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I tell you what we can do,
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we can give it to the poor.
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[gang member #1]
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That's exactly what I said, too,
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we'll just donate those
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to the poor.
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It seemed like every week,
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{\an7}a new drug gang emerged.
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{\an7}The Chambers Brothers,
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{\an7}Best Friends,
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{\an7}Young Boys Incorporated,
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{\an7}Maserati Rick,
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{\an7}Johnny Curry and Leo Curry
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{\an7}had started a drug organization.
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{\an7}[Johnny] Say, for instance,
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I got a key of cocaine,
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{\an8}and two or three keys
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{\an8}of cocaine.
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{\an8}You might have
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a hundred bales of weed.
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I make more off this cocaine
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than you do off the weed
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with less headaches.
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That's how I got into that game.
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When we talk
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about Young Boys Incorporated,
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or the Chambers Brothers,
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there's not one single
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white person involved
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in any of those gangs.
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[upbeat music]
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[Chris] During the coverage
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of the Chambers Brothers,
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I had a conversation
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with a source or sources
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who said, "You know,
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there's this kid
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who's dealing cocaine.
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Richard Wershe, Jr. He's 17.
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And he's white,
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in a largely
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black-dominated world.
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And his nickname
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is "White Boy Rick."
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[Chris] The teenage drug dealer
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nicknamed "White Boy Rick."
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[reporter #2] "White Boy Rick."
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[reporter #3] "White Boy Rick."
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[reporter #2]
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His name is Richard Wershe, Jr.
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[Joe] One of the things
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{\an8}you don't wanna do
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{\an8}if you're a criminal,
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{\an8}I would advise you
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never to get a nickname
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and especially,
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a really catchy nickname.
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[Scott] I just remember
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the name and the face.
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I recall me and my friends
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{\an8}joking around
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{\an8}when we were 16, 17
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{\an8}in the suburbs,
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and someone would be
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dealing weed out of his car
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and we joked,
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"Oh, who do you think you are,
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White Boy Rick?"
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[Seth] In the 1990s,
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when I first entered
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the federal prison system,
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you hear about all
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the different street legends
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{\an8}from the different cities.
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{\an8}I, I was mainly
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{\an8}on the East Coast,
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but one of the guys,
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you know, that there
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was a lot of talk about,
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was White Boy Rick.
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And, to me, I was
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kinda mesmerized, because,
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you know, being
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a white drug dealer myself,
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in the suburbs and in colleges,
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I was like,
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"Who was this white kid
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you know, that was supposedly
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running all these black gangs
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and running
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the city of Detroit?"
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At that time,
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I really didn't know anything
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about White Boy Rick.
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{\an7}[Scott] I didn't know
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{\an7}who Rick Wershe was.
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{\an7}I just knew
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{\an7}there was this caricature,
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almost like
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{\an7}a comic book character
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{\an7}being splashed across
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{\an7}the newspapers all the time.
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{\an7}He had to be at least 15,
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{\an8}16 years old when I met him.
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{\an8}[Johnny] But he was smart.
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{\an8}He was socializing
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{\an8}and doing business
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{\an8}with the biggest drug dealers
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in Detroit.
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We all bought motorcycles
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together,
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rolled up to see my brother
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{\an7}in prison together.
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{\an7}[Scott] It became
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{\an7}a very iconic moniker.
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It has been name-dropped
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in Kid Rock songs.
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[Kid Rock] ♪ Got more cash
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Than White Boy Rick ♪
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[Scott] Johnny Curry
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would buy him a mink coat.
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They'd walk around
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with their twin mink coats.
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{\an8}To integrate like he did,
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{\an8}I mean, that's not...
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{\an8}Not everyone can do that.
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And my point is,
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he wasn't a poser.
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That's who he was.
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He was a product
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{\an8}of his environment.
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{\an8}He was a white kid
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{\an8}that was brought up
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his... basically, his whole life
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around all black people.
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A lot of the DPD
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that were working in the Detroit
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drug scene at that time,
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knew Rick was a race traitor.
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They did not like the fact
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that he talked black,
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that he acted black,
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that he dated black women,
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and definitely didn't like
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14 to 15-year-old kids
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rolling around in BMWs,
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and flashing cash wads
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that equal more
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than their entire paycheck
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for the whole year.
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{\an8}Half million a week.
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{\an8}Two million dollars a month.
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{\an8}[Scott] It bred a lot of resent.
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-[gunshots]
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-[police dispatcher] Dispatch 8.
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There were sections
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of the city in the mid '80s
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that were war zones.
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[reporter #4]
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This drug operation
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was so heavily-fortified,
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that police could not
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get through the front door.
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-[police dispatcher] Calling in.
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-[thuds]
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-[man #1] Oh!
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-[man #2] Ooh.
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[Scott] In Detroit in the 1980s,
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there were dozens upon dozens
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of proficient,
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professional killers.
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The most menacing,
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the most feared,
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was without question,
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Nate "Boone" Craft.
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[Nate] In the '80s,
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I was a hitman
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{\an8}that worked for many different
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{\an8}drug lords and kingpin.
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{\an8}Even some that weren't even
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in this country.
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[reporter #5] Law officers say
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there are direct links now
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between gangs
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and Colombian drug dealers.
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They were hiring me to do hits.
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[Nate] I was, uh, involved
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with about 30 murders.
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I was responsible
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for almost 30 murders.
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They paid 50,000 and up.
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And I was looking to gain.
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Anything that was 50,000,
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I'll always will be,
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"Come on with it.
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What do you want?
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The guy's head?
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You want his arm?
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You want his private part?"
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[reporter #6] Rice was in charge
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of the Detroit Police
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{\an8}Department's
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{\an8}Homicide Division.
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{\an8}Crack cocaine changed
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the whole complexion
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of homicide cases
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in the city of Detroit.
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{\an8}We were actually having
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{\an8}almost 800 homicides per year.
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{\an8}Probably 85%
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{\an8}was due in some part
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{\an8}to the narcotics trade.
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{\an8}Now this is what happens to you
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{\an8}when you become a gangster,
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{\an8}a hitman, or whatever.
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{\an8}You get shot up.
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{\an8}Either you didn't pay
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{\an8}what you owe me,
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{\an8}or jealousy takes over.
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{\an8}Leg, tore up.
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{\an8}I had to walk with a cane.
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{\an8}AK. I can't even move my hands.
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{\an8}Shotgun blast.
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{\an8}They hit me with everything,
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{\an8}nine in the back.
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{\an8}I'm like the Grim Reaper.
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{\an8}If you make my list,
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{\an8}I'm coming for you,
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{\an8}whether you're good or bad.
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{\an8}White people have left this city
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{\an8}in record numbers.
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{\an8}It goes from almost
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{\an8}two million people,
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{\an8}now it's down
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{\an8}to a million people.
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{\an8}[Ralph] Today,
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{\an8}we're probably down
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{\an8}to 600,000 people.
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{\an8}[Scott] Rick grew up
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{\an8}on the east side of Detroit
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{\an8}which is, uh, notoriously
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{\an8}a very tough, tough area.
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{\an8}We were very normal.
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{\an8}We were a normal family
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{\an8}coming up.
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{\an8}My grandparents
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{\an8}lived across the street from us.
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{\an8}[Dawn] And it was my brother,
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{\an8}and my dad and I, and...
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{\an8}[Darlene] Rick's father and I
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{\an8}divorced when Rick was 5.
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{\an8}And they stayed with him
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{\an8}at the house
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{\an8}which I wasn't happy about.
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{\an8}But they wanted to be there,
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{\an8}so I left them.
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{\an8}[Dawn] It went, you know,
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from a nice,
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working class neighborhood
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regardless of race or color,
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to just horrible.
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Like, there was crack houses
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across the street
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from our house.
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My grandmother, I remember her
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getting robbed for her purse
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in her own driveway.
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I mean, it was bad.
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[Scott] He played
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{\an8}Little League Baseball.
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{\an8}He was the star
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{\an8}of his league baseball team,
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{\an8}a pitcher.
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{\an8}Eventually, he went out
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{\an8}and spent his eighth-grade year
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{\an8}out in the suburbs
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{\an8}in Macomb County with his mom.
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{\an8}He did really well out there.
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{\an8}He got good grades,
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{\an8}he was popular in the school.
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{\an8}But he was seeing his father
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{\an8}on occasion,
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{\an8}and he decided
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{\an8}to go back with him.
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{\an8}[Scott]
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{\an8}Richard Sr. was a gun dealer...
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{\an8}street hustler.
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{\an8}And the joke became, you know,
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{\an8}that there was White Dad Rick,
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{\an8}and White Boy Rick.
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{\an8}[Scott] Rick himself,
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{\an8}really idolized his father,
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and spent most of his childhood
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at his father's side.
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To the point
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where he was kinda known
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in those gun shows
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when he was 11,
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12, 13 years old,
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as like one
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of the best salesmen
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at those gun shows.
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It was an adventurous life.
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[Herm] I mean,
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it was cowboys and Indians
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in Detroit at that time.
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And he just got caught up in it.
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{\an8}[Se Everything that I knew,
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{\an8}you know, that was like
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{\an8}the glamorized version
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{\an8}of White Boy Rick.
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But once I started talking
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to him,
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and researching the case
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with all the documents
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and newspaper articles
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and court records,
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I found a very different
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story emerged.
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[male ad narrator]
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One out of every five people
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who try cocaine get hooked.
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But that's not your problem.
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[sniffs]
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-[children laughing]
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-[male ad narrator] Or is it?
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[slams]
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[Ralph]
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What the legislators tried to do
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was make the law so harsh
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that people would think twice
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before getting
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into the drug trade.
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{\an8}Now we're gonna pass the statute
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{\an8}that provides
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{\an8}for mandatory life.
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[Steve]
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Anybody who's in possession
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of over 650 grams of cocaine,
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they got convicted,
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they got mandatory life.
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[Scott] Hundreds of people
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were prosecuted
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underneath the 650 Law,
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including Tim Allen,
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the actor in Hollywood.
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Well, historically, penalty
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has never been a factor
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in stopping a crime
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from occurring.
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As long as there's enough money
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in the crime,
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the penalty isn't gonna make
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a big difference.
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[Steve] There was a lot of money
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{\an8}to be made,
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{\an8}and a lot of people
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{\an8}tried to make money.
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{\an8}And I represented
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quite a few of them.
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[Ralph] That kind of money
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began to corrupt everything.
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It corrupted the government,
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it corrupted the police.
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There can be no progress
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in the suburbs
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unless there's progress
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in the city.
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[crowd] Yeah!
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[Kevin] Coleman Young is the
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most powerful politician
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in the history of Detroit.
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{\an8}Coleman Young was a machine.
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{\an8}And his niece was Cathy Volsan,
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{\an8}and she was married
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to Johnny Curry,
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one of the biggest drug dealers
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{\an8}in Detroit.
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{\an8}My wife's uncle
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{\an8}was Mayor Coleman Young.
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{\an8}[Gregg] There was
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a protective detail
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that Coleman Young
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{\an8}wanted placed on Cathy Volsan
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{\an8}knowing full well
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{\an8}that she was married
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{\an8}and living with all
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these drug dealers.
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And then she heard
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about the Curry Brothers
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{\an8}and what we was into
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{\an8}in our life,
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{\an8}so we started dating.
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{\an8}[Johnny] And then,
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{\an8}the next thing you know,
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{\an8}we was married.
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{\an8}I just find it crazy
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{\an8}that he had a protection detail
563
00:13:38,250 --> 00:13:39,417
{\an8}of police officers
564
00:13:39,458 --> 00:13:42,208
{\an8}guarding his drug dealer niece.
565
00:13:42,250 --> 00:13:43,208
{\an8}[Scott] Including Jimmy Harris,
566
00:13:45,375 --> 00:13:46,709
{\an8}who was Mayor Coleman Young's
567
00:13:45,375 --> 00:13:46,709
{\an8}head of security.
568
00:13:46,750 --> 00:13:48,041
{\an8}They were specifically
569
00:13:46,750 --> 00:13:48,041
{\an8}instructed
570
00:13:48,083 --> 00:13:49,917
not to intervene
571
00:13:48,083 --> 00:13:49,917
in this interactions
572
00:13:49,959 --> 00:13:51,917
and in these transactions.
573
00:13:51,959 --> 00:13:55,208
One time, I got picked up by,
574
00:13:51,959 --> 00:13:55,208
uh, one of the police officers.
575
00:13:55,250 --> 00:13:57,208
He knew I had something
576
00:13:55,250 --> 00:13:57,208
in the car.
577
00:13:57,834 --> 00:13:59,291
He's seen it on the backseat.
578
00:14:00,166 --> 00:14:02,125
He said, "Go ahead
579
00:14:00,166 --> 00:14:02,125
and go about your way.
580
00:14:02,166 --> 00:14:05,208
You want me to escort you in
581
00:14:02,166 --> 00:14:05,208
or something like that?"
582
00:14:05,250 --> 00:14:06,834
So, I was fine.
583
00:14:06,875 --> 00:14:09,208
'Cause they really never
584
00:14:06,875 --> 00:14:09,208
messed with me too tough.
585
00:14:09,250 --> 00:14:11,041
Their only job
586
00:14:11,083 --> 00:14:13,291
was to follow around Cathy Curry
587
00:14:13,333 --> 00:14:15,375
and prevent her from harm.
588
00:14:15,417 --> 00:14:16,834
It was a slippery slope,
589
00:14:16,875 --> 00:14:18,333
I think, for...
590
00:14:16,875 --> 00:14:18,333
for these people.
591
00:14:18,375 --> 00:14:20,458
They went downhill,
592
00:14:18,375 --> 00:14:20,458
uh, very, very fast.
593
00:14:20,709 --> 00:14:24,041
It was wide open
594
00:14:20,709 --> 00:14:24,041
for greedy people.
595
00:14:24,083 --> 00:14:27,291
And cops is just greedy
596
00:14:24,083 --> 00:14:27,291
as we are.
597
00:14:27,333 --> 00:14:29,291
{\an8}If they got debts and so forth,
598
00:14:29,959 --> 00:14:31,208
{\an8}they're gonna turn to crooks.
599
00:14:31,959 --> 00:14:33,417
{\an8}Everybody, every police officer,
600
00:14:33,458 --> 00:14:35,917
down at 1300 was crooked.
601
00:14:35,959 --> 00:14:37,333
[Johnny] When I was down there,
602
00:14:37,375 --> 00:14:38,667
I walked there like...
603
00:14:38,709 --> 00:14:41,083
Shit, I did bad as myself.
604
00:14:41,125 --> 00:14:42,750
[Scott] Johnny Curry,
605
00:14:42,792 --> 00:14:44,834
because of his marriage
606
00:14:42,792 --> 00:14:44,834
to Cathy Curry,
607
00:14:44,875 --> 00:14:47,875
had a direct line to Gil Hill,
608
00:14:47,917 --> 00:14:50,000
who, at the time, was
609
00:14:50,041 --> 00:14:52,166
the Detroit Police Department's
610
00:14:50,041 --> 00:14:52,166
head of the Homicide Division.
611
00:14:52,208 --> 00:14:54,375
Gil Hill had bigger aspirations.
612
00:14:54,417 --> 00:14:57,041
[Kevin] He had, uh, become
613
00:14:54,417 --> 00:14:57,041
uh, a movie actor.
614
00:14:57,083 --> 00:14:59,500
Was in this wildly popular
615
00:14:57,083 --> 00:14:59,500
Eddie Murphy movie,
616
00:14:59,542 --> 00:15:01,917
Beverly Hills Cop,
617
00:14:59,542 --> 00:15:01,917
where he played the boss
618
00:15:01,959 --> 00:15:03,333
of Eddie Murphy in the movie.
619
00:15:03,375 --> 00:15:05,250
Inspector T., how you doing?
620
00:15:05,750 --> 00:15:07,542
Where the [bleep]
621
00:15:05,750 --> 00:15:07,542
you've been, Foley?
622
00:15:08,458 --> 00:15:10,959
[Kevin] In Detroit,
623
00:15:08,458 --> 00:15:10,959
everybody knew Gil Hill,
624
00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,083
they wanted to talk to Gil Hill
625
00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,083
and be around Gil Hill.
626
00:15:13,125 --> 00:15:15,375
He was probably
627
00:15:13,125 --> 00:15:15,375
the biggest celebrity
628
00:15:15,417 --> 00:15:17,333
in the city of Detroit
629
00:15:15,417 --> 00:15:17,333
at the time.
630
00:15:17,375 --> 00:15:19,417
{\an8}Gil Hill, to me, was a lot more
631
00:15:19,458 --> 00:15:20,333
{\an8}than the Beverly Hills Cop
632
00:15:20,375 --> 00:15:22,041
{\an8}that you see on TV.
633
00:15:22,709 --> 00:15:24,125
{\an8}[William]
634
00:15:22,709 --> 00:15:24,125
{\an8}He actually trained me.
635
00:15:24,166 --> 00:15:26,375
{\an8}He actually taught me
636
00:15:24,166 --> 00:15:26,375
{\an8}the ins and outs
637
00:15:26,417 --> 00:15:28,291
{\an8}of investigations
638
00:15:26,417 --> 00:15:28,291
{\an8}and interrogations.
639
00:15:29,667 --> 00:15:32,542
{\an8}[interviewer]
640
00:15:29,667 --> 00:15:32,542
{\an8}Was Gil Hill affiliated
641
00:15:29,667 --> 00:15:32,542
{\an8}with the drug world?
642
00:15:32,583 --> 00:15:33,583
{\an8}Affiliated?
643
00:15:33,625 --> 00:15:35,291
{\an8}Yeah, he was affiliated.
644
00:15:36,375 --> 00:15:41,542
{\an8}He basically got us
645
00:15:36,375 --> 00:15:41,542
{\an8}to stay away from certain people
646
00:15:41,583 --> 00:15:43,709
{\an8}that he wanted to protect.
647
00:15:44,458 --> 00:15:46,583
He'd tell us, "Hey, man,
648
00:15:44,458 --> 00:15:46,583
don't be hitting this.
649
00:15:46,625 --> 00:15:47,917
Don't do this and that.
650
00:15:48,500 --> 00:15:50,291
'Cause if you made our list,
651
00:15:51,083 --> 00:15:52,375
you was gonna be killed."
652
00:15:53,917 --> 00:15:56,625
I have nothing bad
653
00:15:53,917 --> 00:15:56,625
to say about Gil Hill.
654
00:15:56,667 --> 00:15:58,500
[William]
655
00:15:56,667 --> 00:15:58,500
He wanted homicides closed.
656
00:15:58,542 --> 00:16:00,834
And he wanted
657
00:15:58,542 --> 00:16:00,834
to get some resolve
658
00:16:00,875 --> 00:16:03,208
to the brutality
659
00:16:00,875 --> 00:16:03,208
of taking another person's life.
660
00:16:04,333 --> 00:16:06,709
[interviewer]
661
00:16:04,333 --> 00:16:06,709
So you're telling me that the
662
00:16:04,333 --> 00:16:06,709
head of homicide came to you-
663
00:16:06,750 --> 00:16:08,917
and asked who you've got on
664
00:16:06,750 --> 00:16:08,917
your hit list?
665
00:16:08,959 --> 00:16:09,709
Yeah.
666
00:16:09,750 --> 00:16:10,917
Gil.
667
00:16:11,417 --> 00:16:13,083
As Gil would say,
668
00:16:13,125 --> 00:16:15,166
"Anybody else on your list?
669
00:16:13,125 --> 00:16:15,166
I don't give a fuck."
670
00:16:15,750 --> 00:16:17,875
That's not the Gil Hill
671
00:16:15,750 --> 00:16:17,875
that I know.
672
00:16:17,917 --> 00:16:19,417
That doesn't mean
673
00:16:17,917 --> 00:16:19,417
that, of course,
674
00:16:19,458 --> 00:16:21,125
people don't have dark sides.
675
00:16:21,166 --> 00:16:24,083
'Cause I, too, believe
676
00:16:21,166 --> 00:16:24,083
that all people have dark sides.
677
00:16:24,125 --> 00:16:25,500
So we would have
678
00:16:24,125 --> 00:16:25,500
to listen to Gil
679
00:16:25,542 --> 00:16:27,709
because he gonna do us
680
00:16:25,542 --> 00:16:27,709
a favor later.
681
00:16:27,750 --> 00:16:29,542
In order for us
682
00:16:27,750 --> 00:16:29,542
to get favors from him,
683
00:16:29,583 --> 00:16:31,917
we got to do favors
684
00:16:29,583 --> 00:16:31,917
for him as well,
685
00:16:31,959 --> 00:16:33,500
one hand washes the other.
686
00:16:33,542 --> 00:16:35,709
{\an8}He was a guy
687
00:16:33,542 --> 00:16:35,709
{\an8}with quite a bit of cache.
688
00:16:35,750 --> 00:16:40,000
{\an8}He had, he had his eyes set
689
00:16:35,750 --> 00:16:40,000
{\an8}on the mayor's office himself.
690
00:16:40,041 --> 00:16:41,375
{\an8}[Scott]
691
00:16:40,041 --> 00:16:41,375
{\an8}I think he viewed himself
692
00:16:41,417 --> 00:16:43,375
{\an8}as Coleman Young's successor.
693
00:16:43,417 --> 00:16:45,250
{\an8}One of the nation's
694
00:16:43,417 --> 00:16:45,250
{\an8}best-known mayors,
695
00:16:45,291 --> 00:16:46,333
{\an8}Coleman Young of Detroit,
696
00:16:48,542 --> 00:16:49,792
{\an8}is getting a kind of
697
00:16:48,542 --> 00:16:49,792
{\an8}national attention these days
698
00:16:49,834 --> 00:16:50,667
{\an8}that no politician wants.
699
00:16:52,959 --> 00:16:54,667
{\an8}[Scott] Coleman Young was
700
00:16:52,959 --> 00:16:54,667
{\an8}a notoriously corrupt mayor
701
00:16:54,709 --> 00:16:56,458
{\an8}that never got convicted
702
00:16:54,709 --> 00:16:56,458
{\an8}or indicted.
703
00:16:56,500 --> 00:16:57,709
{\an8}[reporter #7]
704
00:16:56,500 --> 00:16:57,709
{\an8}The latest involves charges
705
00:16:57,750 --> 00:16:58,792
{\an8}that his police chief
706
00:17:00,834 --> 00:17:02,792
{\an8}stole from a fund set up
707
00:17:00,834 --> 00:17:02,792
{\an8}for undercover drug buys.
708
00:17:02,834 --> 00:17:04,583
{\an8}And who the [bleep]
709
00:17:02,834 --> 00:17:04,583
{\an8}do you think you are
710
00:17:04,625 --> 00:17:06,458
{\an8}to come in here
711
00:17:04,625 --> 00:17:06,458
{\an8}and cross-examine me?
712
00:17:06,500 --> 00:17:09,375
{\an8}[Joe] He drew enormous animosity
713
00:17:09,417 --> 00:17:12,041
{\an8}from a number of white residents
714
00:17:12,083 --> 00:17:14,917
{\an8}who blamed him
715
00:17:12,083 --> 00:17:14,917
{\an8}for great social ills.
716
00:17:14,959 --> 00:17:17,917
{\an8}And I know a number of people
717
00:17:14,959 --> 00:17:17,917
{\an8}including a number of federal
718
00:17:17,959 --> 00:17:20,291
{\an8}and local
719
00:17:17,959 --> 00:17:20,291
{\an8}law enforcement figures
720
00:17:20,333 --> 00:17:22,542
{\an8}that thought that he was steeped
721
00:17:22,583 --> 00:17:23,625
{\an8}totally in corruption.
722
00:17:23,667 --> 00:17:24,959
{\an8}I don't buy that.
723
00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,250
{\an8}I think there are people
724
00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,250
{\an8}around him were.
725
00:17:27,291 --> 00:17:29,834
{\an8}[Scott] So, lots of members
726
00:17:27,291 --> 00:17:29,834
{\an8}of federal law enforcement
727
00:17:29,875 --> 00:17:32,375
{\an8}had a giant agenda
728
00:17:29,875 --> 00:17:32,375
{\an8}to go get Coleman Young.
729
00:17:33,083 --> 00:17:35,458
{\an8}And try to tie parts
730
00:17:33,083 --> 00:17:35,458
{\an8}of his administration
731
00:17:35,500 --> 00:17:37,500
{\an8}into the Curry organization.
732
00:17:37,542 --> 00:17:40,625
{\an8}[Kevin] Johnny and Leo Curry
733
00:17:37,542 --> 00:17:40,625
{\an8}were convicted
734
00:17:40,667 --> 00:17:43,875
{\an8}and did a plea agreement
735
00:17:40,667 --> 00:17:43,875
{\an8}for 20 years.
736
00:17:43,917 --> 00:17:45,792
{\an8}I did 14 years.
737
00:17:45,834 --> 00:17:49,291
{\an8}I got a 20-year sentence,
738
00:17:45,834 --> 00:17:49,291
{\an8}I did 14, and came out.
739
00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:52,542
{\an8}[Chris] And one day, I get a tip
740
00:17:52,583 --> 00:17:55,542
{\an8}that they were gonna raid
741
00:17:52,583 --> 00:17:55,542
{\an8}Cathy Volsan-Curry's townhouse.
742
00:17:56,125 --> 00:17:57,750
{\an8}The Feds go in there,
743
00:17:57,792 --> 00:17:59,667
{\an8}and guess who's in there,
744
00:17:59,709 --> 00:18:01,041
{\an8}in bed with Cathy Volsan-Curry?
745
00:18:01,667 --> 00:18:02,875
{\an8}Richard Wershe, Jr.
746
00:18:04,792 --> 00:18:05,834
{\an8}[Chris] Imagine my editors
747
00:18:04,792 --> 00:18:05,834
{\an8}asking me,
748
00:18:05,875 --> 00:18:06,875
{\an8}"What have you got going today?"
749
00:18:06,917 --> 00:18:08,792
{\an8}I said, "Well,
750
00:18:08,834 --> 00:18:11,125
{\an8}an alleged notorious
751
00:18:08,834 --> 00:18:11,125
{\an8}17-year-old drug dealer
752
00:18:11,166 --> 00:18:12,458
{\an8}was caught in a raid,
753
00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:14,208
{\an8}sleeping with the niece
754
00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:14,208
{\an8}of the mayor
755
00:18:14,250 --> 00:18:15,500
{\an8}on a Friday afternoon."
756
00:18:16,083 --> 00:18:18,000
{\an8}That's a bad day
757
00:18:16,083 --> 00:18:18,000
{\an8}for the Mayor's Office.
758
00:18:18,625 --> 00:18:21,625
{\an8}[Scott] You had race,
759
00:18:18,625 --> 00:18:21,625
{\an8}you had drugs,
760
00:18:21,667 --> 00:18:24,500
{\an8}you had sex,
761
00:18:21,667 --> 00:18:24,500
{\an8}you had political intrigue,
762
00:18:24,542 --> 00:18:26,583
{\an8}you had police corruption.
763
00:18:26,625 --> 00:18:31,583
{\an8}So now, Rick Wershe
764
00:18:26,625 --> 00:18:31,583
{\an8}is dating Coleman Young's niece.
765
00:18:31,625 --> 00:18:33,458
[Kevin] And that's a problem
766
00:18:31,625 --> 00:18:33,458
for Coleman Young.
767
00:18:33,500 --> 00:18:35,500
And it becomes a problem
768
00:18:33,500 --> 00:18:35,500
for Rick Wershe.
769
00:18:35,542 --> 00:18:37,458
[Chris] Wershe was busted
770
00:18:37,500 --> 00:18:39,750
for possessing eight kilos
771
00:18:37,500 --> 00:18:39,750
of cocaine.
772
00:18:39,792 --> 00:18:42,583
The charge which now has him
773
00:18:39,792 --> 00:18:42,583
serving a life sentence.
774
00:18:42,625 --> 00:18:44,959
You're not trying
775
00:18:42,625 --> 00:18:44,959
to tell me that...
776
00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,458
you're an angel,
777
00:18:46,500 --> 00:18:48,083
that you never did
778
00:18:46,500 --> 00:18:48,083
anything wrong, right?
779
00:18:48,125 --> 00:18:50,250
I've been involved
780
00:18:48,125 --> 00:18:50,250
in wrongdoing,
781
00:18:50,291 --> 00:18:53,458
but I don't feel I did anything
782
00:18:50,291 --> 00:18:53,458
to receive a life sentence.
783
00:18:55,542 --> 00:18:57,625
[Herm] The 650-Lifer Law
784
00:18:57,667 --> 00:18:59,667
that, uh, Wershe
785
00:18:57,667 --> 00:18:59,667
was convicted under,
786
00:18:59,709 --> 00:19:02,000
uh, was repealed in 1998.
787
00:19:03,625 --> 00:19:06,875
[Ralph] So the Supreme Court
788
00:19:03,625 --> 00:19:06,875
of the State of Michigan said,
789
00:19:06,917 --> 00:19:10,375
"That constitutes cruel
790
00:19:06,917 --> 00:19:10,375
and unusual punishment,
791
00:19:10,417 --> 00:19:14,333
so you can't sentence people
792
00:19:10,417 --> 00:19:14,333
to life without parole
793
00:19:14,375 --> 00:19:15,750
for a non-violent crime.
794
00:19:17,291 --> 00:19:19,291
[low unnerving music]
795
00:19:23,667 --> 00:19:27,291
[Gregg] But to be incarcerated
796
00:19:23,667 --> 00:19:27,291
for 28 years,
797
00:19:27,333 --> 00:19:29,583
he's now a grandfather.
798
00:19:30,542 --> 00:19:32,709
[Steve]
799
00:19:30,542 --> 00:19:32,709
And everybody kinda recognized
800
00:19:32,750 --> 00:19:34,667
it was a fool's errand
801
00:19:32,750 --> 00:19:34,667
from the beginning.
802
00:19:34,709 --> 00:19:36,542
{\an8}Just like almost all
803
00:19:34,709 --> 00:19:36,542
{\an8}tough on crime things
804
00:19:36,583 --> 00:19:38,875
{\an8}turned out to be
805
00:19:36,583 --> 00:19:38,875
{\an8}a fool's errand.
806
00:19:38,917 --> 00:19:41,750
{\an8}Until the law was changed,
807
00:19:38,917 --> 00:19:41,750
{\an8}I don't think they caught one,
808
00:19:41,792 --> 00:19:44,750
{\an8}not one large-scale drug dealer.
809
00:19:44,792 --> 00:19:47,667
{\an8}[Chris] Were you ever
810
00:19:44,792 --> 00:19:47,667
{\an8}a cocaine kingpin?
811
00:19:47,709 --> 00:19:50,041
{\an8}[Gregg] And then in the press,
812
00:19:47,709 --> 00:19:50,041
{\an8}they come out and say,
813
00:19:50,083 --> 00:19:52,834
{\an8}"Drug kingpin White Boy Rick."
814
00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:55,542
{\an8}Kingpin of what?
815
00:19:56,083 --> 00:19:57,375
{\an8}Who?
816
00:19:57,417 --> 00:19:58,834
{\an8}He didn't have a drug gang,
817
00:19:58,875 --> 00:20:00,542
{\an8}he didn't have crack houses.
818
00:20:00,583 --> 00:20:02,208
{\an8}-[Chris] You ever kill anyone?
819
00:20:00,583 --> 00:20:02,208
{\an8}-No.
820
00:20:02,250 --> 00:20:04,583
{\an8}-Ever ordered anyone killed?
821
00:20:02,250 --> 00:20:04,583
{\an8}-No.
822
00:20:04,625 --> 00:20:05,875
{\an8}[Gregg] I'm sorry to tell you,
823
00:20:05,917 --> 00:20:08,709
{\an8}that the legend
824
00:20:05,917 --> 00:20:08,709
{\an8}of White Boy Rick
825
00:20:08,750 --> 00:20:10,250
{\an8}is just not true.
826
00:20:12,083 --> 00:20:16,583
{\an8}[Chris] Why would a juvenile,
827
00:20:12,083 --> 00:20:16,583
{\an8}non-violent drug offender
828
00:20:16,625 --> 00:20:19,208
{\an8}be kept in prison
829
00:20:16,625 --> 00:20:19,208
{\an8}beyond 29 years?
830
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,083
{\an8}[Johnny] I did way more than he
831
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,083
{\an8}could possibly ever had done
832
00:20:23,125 --> 00:20:25,000
{\an8}to get that kind of a sentence.
833
00:20:25,959 --> 00:20:30,125
{\an8}Third world countries
834
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{\an8}don't incarcerate like this.
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[Chris] How does a 16
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00:20:32,125 --> 00:20:36,041
or 17-year-old kid,
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Richard Wershe, Jr.,
838
00:20:37,709 --> 00:20:40,667
how does he get connected
839
00:20:37,709 --> 00:20:40,667
to the Curry family?
840
00:20:43,542 --> 00:20:45,000
[Wershe]
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00:20:43,542 --> 00:20:45,000
Here's the truth.
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00:20:45,041 --> 00:20:48,667
At the age of 14,
843
00:20:45,041 --> 00:20:48,667
I was recruited by the FBI-
844
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,000
to become an informant.
845
00:20:51,041 --> 00:20:52,625
[foreboding music]
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00:21:01,834 --> 00:21:03,834
[Herm] It's a convoluted story.
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So when I met, uh,
848
00:21:04,750 --> 00:21:07,750
Richard Wershe, Sr.,
849
00:21:07,792 --> 00:21:09,625
he had been opened up
850
00:21:07,792 --> 00:21:09,625
as an informant
851
00:21:09,667 --> 00:21:12,083
and operated, uh,
852
00:21:09,667 --> 00:21:12,083
for a period of time
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00:21:12,125 --> 00:21:13,542
by two other agents.
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00:21:13,583 --> 00:21:17,125
He was a gun dealer,
855
00:21:13,583 --> 00:21:17,125
uh, he was an entrepreneur.
856
00:21:17,166 --> 00:21:18,750
There was no end
857
00:21:17,166 --> 00:21:18,750
to what he was doing.
858
00:21:18,792 --> 00:21:19,792
If he was in one thing,
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00:21:19,834 --> 00:21:21,709
he was always dabbling
860
00:21:19,834 --> 00:21:21,709
in the next.
861
00:21:23,125 --> 00:21:24,417
[Darlene]
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00:21:23,125 --> 00:21:24,417
But he was very brilliant,
863
00:21:24,458 --> 00:21:26,458
he invented a lot of things.
864
00:21:26,500 --> 00:21:29,125
And I think he probably held
865
00:21:26,500 --> 00:21:29,125
more patents
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00:21:29,166 --> 00:21:31,875
than anyone
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00:21:29,166 --> 00:21:31,875
in the state of Michigan.
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00:21:31,917 --> 00:21:33,667
I think he also had a business,
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00:21:33,709 --> 00:21:37,792
where he would illegally
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00:21:33,709 --> 00:21:37,792
sell guns on the black market.
871
00:21:37,834 --> 00:21:39,500
And help people get permits.
872
00:21:39,542 --> 00:21:42,166
He even sold silencers.
873
00:21:42,208 --> 00:21:44,667
He could get you anything.
874
00:21:42,208 --> 00:21:44,667
He could get you grenades.
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[Scott] And then, kind of played
876
00:21:45,875 --> 00:21:48,959
both ends of the game,
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00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,083
he would then divulge
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00:21:51,125 --> 00:21:55,041
who he was selling
879
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these guns to, to the FBI.
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00:21:55,083 --> 00:21:57,667
At the top of the list
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00:21:55,083 --> 00:21:57,667
of their targets
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00:21:57,709 --> 00:21:59,709
is Johnny Curry
883
00:21:57,709 --> 00:21:59,709
and the Curry gang.
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[Herm] So the first time
885
00:22:02,667 --> 00:22:04,750
I met Wershe, Sr.
886
00:22:04,792 --> 00:22:08,417
Uh, it was at a McDonald's
887
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on the west side of Detroit.
888
00:22:08,458 --> 00:22:10,166
And, uh, when I walked
889
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into the restaurant,
890
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and after introductions
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00:22:10,208 --> 00:22:12,500
were made,
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00:22:12,542 --> 00:22:14,834
I noticed, uh, he's got
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this young kid with him.
894
00:22:14,875 --> 00:22:16,750
It appeared to me
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to be 15 or so.
896
00:22:16,792 --> 00:22:18,125
And when we got talking about
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the Curry, uh,
898
00:22:18,166 --> 00:22:19,750
drug investigation,
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I noticed the father
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would defer to the son.
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00:22:23,834 --> 00:22:27,125
[Wershe]
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00:22:23,834 --> 00:22:27,125
My dad didn't really know
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00:22:23,834 --> 00:22:27,125
who these people were.
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[Herm] And pretty soon,
905
00:22:27,166 --> 00:22:28,625
it became apparent to me
906
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that really, the kid is somehow
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00:22:31,041 --> 00:22:32,375
the real source
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00:22:31,041 --> 00:22:32,375
of the information.
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00:22:33,375 --> 00:22:36,667
[Wershe]
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00:22:33,375 --> 00:22:36,667
And I kind of interjected and
911
00:22:33,375 --> 00:22:36,667
told them who they were-
912
00:22:36,709 --> 00:22:38,917
and recognized them from
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the neighborhood.
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I just didn't feel comfortable
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00:22:38,959 --> 00:22:40,041
with it.
916
00:22:40,083 --> 00:22:41,667
I didn't think
917
00:22:40,083 --> 00:22:41,667
it was appropriate.
918
00:22:41,709 --> 00:22:43,166
But I wanted to keep
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00:22:41,709 --> 00:22:43,166
the channels
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of communication open.
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[Scott] I believe Richard
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00:22:45,250 --> 00:22:48,500
himself, quickly realized
923
00:22:48,542 --> 00:22:50,667
that the target for this
924
00:22:48,542 --> 00:22:50,667
was big game.
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00:22:52,041 --> 00:22:54,875
[Herm] He was using his son
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to get paid.
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It's not the role of a father
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00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:57,875
to do something like that.
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[sirens blaring]
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[Scott] And this was something
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that I think
932
00:23:01,834 --> 00:23:03,750
started off as one thing,
933
00:23:03,792 --> 00:23:05,709
and ended as another thing.
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00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:08,458
It started off where they would,
935
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you know, sometimes pick Rick up
936
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and they drive him
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through the neighborhood.
938
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And they say, "Rick, tell us
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who this guy is.
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Tell us what that spot is.
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What's that spot?"
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00:23:14,166 --> 00:23:16,291
[Kevin]
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00:23:14,166 --> 00:23:16,291
So here's this 14-year-old kid
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00:23:16,333 --> 00:23:19,458
getting paid money
945
00:23:16,333 --> 00:23:19,458
to inform on narcotics dealers
946
00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:21,125
in the city of Detroit.
947
00:23:21,166 --> 00:23:23,166
In the short time he was
948
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an informant for the police,
949
00:23:23,208 --> 00:23:27,458
he collected about $35,000
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from law enforcement.
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[Wershe]
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00:23:27,500 --> 00:23:29,208
I went shopping, I bought stuff.
953
00:23:29,250 --> 00:23:32,166
I bought a car when I was
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15 years old.
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00:23:32,208 --> 00:23:34,291
It's funny to me how people
956
00:23:32,208 --> 00:23:34,291
always talk about
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00:23:34,333 --> 00:23:36,291
what criminals will do
958
00:23:34,333 --> 00:23:36,291
to make a dollar.
959
00:23:37,041 --> 00:23:38,542
But, you know,
960
00:23:37,041 --> 00:23:38,542
on the same regard,
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00:23:38,583 --> 00:23:40,875
you got to look
962
00:23:38,583 --> 00:23:40,875
at what the FBI will do
963
00:23:40,917 --> 00:23:41,875
to make an arrest.
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[Scott]
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00:23:43,417 --> 00:23:45,250
He was actually instructed
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00:23:45,291 --> 00:23:47,041
to infiltrate
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the Curry Boys gang.
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00:23:47,083 --> 00:23:49,875
And start hanging out
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00:23:47,083 --> 00:23:49,875
with the Currys,
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00:23:49,917 --> 00:23:51,917
pretending that you wanna
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00:23:49,917 --> 00:23:51,917
learn the drug game
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00:23:51,959 --> 00:23:54,000
to start making controlled buys.
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00:23:54,041 --> 00:23:55,667
We had started letting him do
974
00:23:54,041 --> 00:23:55,667
little errands
975
00:23:55,709 --> 00:23:57,583
and then he started knowing
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00:23:55,709 --> 00:23:57,583
a few people that...
977
00:23:57,625 --> 00:24:00,125
you figured that
978
00:23:57,625 --> 00:24:00,125
when a white boy sells it,
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00:24:00,166 --> 00:24:01,750
the dope is good or whatever.
980
00:24:01,792 --> 00:24:03,875
You know, so he started
981
00:24:01,792 --> 00:24:03,875
doing his thing.
982
00:24:03,917 --> 00:24:05,667
He didn't play
983
00:24:03,917 --> 00:24:05,667
a really major role.
984
00:24:05,709 --> 00:24:07,250
Nobody would mess
985
00:24:05,709 --> 00:24:07,250
with him, though,
986
00:24:07,291 --> 00:24:09,333
because they knew
987
00:24:07,291 --> 00:24:09,333
he was coming from us, so.
988
00:24:09,375 --> 00:24:11,083
[Scott] You know,
989
00:24:09,375 --> 00:24:11,083
within a couple of months,
990
00:24:11,125 --> 00:24:13,250
Rick is right by
991
00:24:11,125 --> 00:24:13,250
Johnny Curry's side.
992
00:24:13,291 --> 00:24:14,583
And has become a protégé
993
00:24:13,291 --> 00:24:14,583
of Johnny Curry's.
994
00:24:14,875 --> 00:24:17,917
I don't think anybody realized
995
00:24:17,959 --> 00:24:19,709
that Rick would be able
996
00:24:17,959 --> 00:24:19,709
to do that.
997
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:21,875
Let alone, do it so quickly.
998
00:24:21,917 --> 00:24:23,208
[interviewer] And were they able
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00:24:21,917 --> 00:24:23,208
to make any arrests
1000
00:24:23,250 --> 00:24:25,458
out of your information?
1001
00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:26,458
[Wershe]
1002
00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:26,458
Oh, yeah. Numerous.
1003
00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:28,291
[policeman] Go, go, go!
1004
00:24:28,333 --> 00:24:29,625
-Police!
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00:24:28,333 --> 00:24:29,625
-[thudding]
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00:24:29,667 --> 00:24:31,291
[Kevin] When Rick would say,
1007
00:24:31,333 --> 00:24:32,667
"Hey, the dope's coming
1008
00:24:31,333 --> 00:24:32,667
to this house,"
1009
00:24:32,709 --> 00:24:34,041
the dope would come
1010
00:24:32,709 --> 00:24:34,041
to that house.
1011
00:24:34,083 --> 00:24:36,083
The police would make a raid,
1012
00:24:36,125 --> 00:24:37,792
they would confiscate
1013
00:24:36,125 --> 00:24:37,792
the drugs and money,
1014
00:24:37,834 --> 00:24:38,959
and, uh,
1015
00:24:37,834 --> 00:24:38,959
they would be successful.
1016
00:24:40,333 --> 00:24:42,542
[Wershe]
1017
00:24:40,333 --> 00:24:42,542
Yeah I believe in one time-
1018
00:24:42,583 --> 00:24:44,959
in '85 I think it's-
1019
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,333
eleven or thirteen in one day.
1020
00:24:54,583 --> 00:24:56,083
[Herm]
1021
00:24:54,583 --> 00:24:56,083
You know, the whole business
1022
00:24:56,125 --> 00:24:57,458
of operating informants,
1023
00:24:57,500 --> 00:24:58,959
it's a cat and mouse game.
1024
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,583
And just because somebody
1025
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,583
has an informant
1026
00:25:01,625 --> 00:25:04,709
designated as the handler
1027
00:25:01,625 --> 00:25:04,709
for the informant,
1028
00:25:04,750 --> 00:25:06,500
doesn't preclude that informant
1029
00:25:06,542 --> 00:25:08,500
from being utilized
1030
00:25:06,542 --> 00:25:08,500
by other agencies,
1031
00:25:08,542 --> 00:25:10,333
Such as the Detroit
1032
00:25:08,542 --> 00:25:10,333
Police Department.
1033
00:25:12,458 --> 00:25:14,083
[Gregg] Uh, we had DEA involved,
1034
00:25:12,458 --> 00:25:14,083
the FBI involved.
1035
00:25:14,125 --> 00:25:16,792
We had United States Customs,
1036
00:25:16,834 --> 00:25:18,250
Michigan State Police,
1037
00:25:18,291 --> 00:25:20,166
we had Detroit Police.
1038
00:25:20,208 --> 00:25:22,250
That's actually
1039
00:25:20,208 --> 00:25:22,250
what was going on.
1040
00:25:22,291 --> 00:25:24,000
[Herm] The Detroit Police
1041
00:25:22,291 --> 00:25:24,000
Department officers
1042
00:25:24,041 --> 00:25:26,500
were also using, uh, this kid
1043
00:25:26,542 --> 00:25:28,041
in undercover capacity.
1044
00:25:28,083 --> 00:25:31,000
Uh, using him to make buys,
1045
00:25:28,083 --> 00:25:31,000
undercover buys.
1046
00:25:35,250 --> 00:25:37,917
[Scott] He's going
1047
00:25:35,250 --> 00:25:37,917
in unmarked police cars,
1048
00:25:37,959 --> 00:25:39,667
uh, at night, with the police.
1049
00:25:39,709 --> 00:25:41,333
Driving around,
1050
00:25:39,709 --> 00:25:41,333
identifying people
1051
00:25:41,375 --> 00:25:43,583
at certain clubs.
1052
00:25:43,625 --> 00:25:45,250
And he ain't getting home
1053
00:25:43,625 --> 00:25:45,250
till three in the morning.
1054
00:25:45,291 --> 00:25:53,667
And he's got to wake up at 7:00
1055
00:25:45,291 --> 00:25:53,667
to go to school.
1056
00:25:53,709 --> 00:25:56,083
[Wershe]
1057
00:25:53,709 --> 00:25:56,083
I mean they weren't saying,
1058
00:25:53,709 --> 00:25:56,083
"Oh, quit school."
1059
00:25:56,125 --> 00:25:57,750
But they were saying-
1060
00:25:57,792 --> 00:25:59,083
you know,
1061
00:25:57,792 --> 00:25:59,083
"we need you to do this."
1062
00:25:59,125 --> 00:26:00,709
And I'd say
1063
00:25:59,125 --> 00:26:00,709
"well I've got school tomorrow."
1064
00:26:00,750 --> 00:26:02,333
And they said
1065
00:26:00,750 --> 00:26:02,333
"so what, we still"-
1066
00:26:02,375 --> 00:26:04,375
you know,
1067
00:26:02,375 --> 00:26:04,375
"go down to this club for us."
1068
00:26:04,417 --> 00:26:07,208
"You're wasting too much time
1069
00:26:04,417 --> 00:26:07,208
in Math class.
1070
00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:09,125
You need to be
1071
00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:09,125
on the street for us,
1072
00:26:09,166 --> 00:26:09,875
getting us information."
1073
00:26:14,542 --> 00:26:15,834
[car whooshing]
1074
00:26:17,125 --> 00:26:18,166
[Scott] At some point,
1075
00:26:18,208 --> 00:26:20,375
as the fall progressed in 1984,
1076
00:26:21,083 --> 00:26:22,792
Johnny Curry
1077
00:26:21,083 --> 00:26:22,792
was given information
1078
00:26:22,834 --> 00:26:26,083
that Rick Wershe
1079
00:26:22,834 --> 00:26:26,083
was an informant.
1080
00:26:26,125 --> 00:26:28,166
Rick Wershe was giving
1081
00:26:26,125 --> 00:26:28,166
the Feds information
1082
00:26:28,208 --> 00:26:29,917
and people were getting busted.
1083
00:26:29,959 --> 00:26:32,333
So they knew somebody
1084
00:26:29,959 --> 00:26:32,333
was, was leaking information,
1085
00:26:32,375 --> 00:26:34,208
and they would have meetings,
1086
00:26:34,250 --> 00:26:36,208
talking about who
1087
00:26:34,250 --> 00:26:36,208
the informant might be.
1088
00:26:36,959 --> 00:26:38,875
[Scott] There were a lot
1089
00:26:36,959 --> 00:26:38,875
of people on the street
1090
00:26:38,917 --> 00:26:41,000
that believed that Johnny Curry
1091
00:26:38,917 --> 00:26:41,000
ordered Rick Wershe's murder.
1092
00:26:42,166 --> 00:26:45,041
So I remember being at the home
1093
00:26:45,083 --> 00:26:46,625
that my boyfriend and I shared,
1094
00:26:46,667 --> 00:26:47,959
and he said,
1095
00:26:46,667 --> 00:26:47,959
"Here comes your dad."
1096
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,542
And I said,
1097
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,542
"Tell him I'm not here."
1098
00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:52,959
[Dawn] And I was standing
1099
00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:52,959
in the bedroom
1100
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,667
listening to him talk to my dad
1101
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,667
at the front door
1102
00:26:54,709 --> 00:26:56,166
and my dad said,
1103
00:26:56,208 --> 00:26:57,500
"Tell her,
1104
00:26:56,208 --> 00:26:57,500
her brother's been shot."
1105
00:26:57,542 --> 00:26:58,625
And right then,
1106
00:26:57,542 --> 00:26:58,625
I fell to the floor.
1107
00:27:00,208 --> 00:27:02,250
I got in the car with my dad
1108
00:27:00,208 --> 00:27:02,250
and we went to the hospital.
1109
00:27:02,709 --> 00:27:05,709
Rick was with a, uh,
1110
00:27:02,709 --> 00:27:05,709
another Curry lieutenant,
1111
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:08,333
who was a couple years
1112
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:08,333
older than him.
1113
00:27:08,375 --> 00:27:10,834
[Wershe]
1114
00:27:08,375 --> 00:27:10,834
We were in the house
1115
00:27:08,375 --> 00:27:10,834
Approximately five minutes.
1116
00:27:10,875 --> 00:27:12,917
We were both
1117
00:27:10,875 --> 00:27:12,917
skipping school that day.
1118
00:27:13,667 --> 00:27:15,125
He went upstairs.
1119
00:27:15,166 --> 00:27:16,333
[Scott]
1120
00:27:15,166 --> 00:27:16,333
And after a couple of minutes,
1121
00:27:16,375 --> 00:27:17,792
says, "Hey, Rick.
1122
00:27:16,375 --> 00:27:17,792
Come over here.
1123
00:27:17,834 --> 00:27:18,792
Come to the stairs."
1124
00:27:19,625 --> 00:27:21,458
[Wershe]
1125
00:27:19,625 --> 00:27:21,458
As soon as I hit the
1126
00:27:19,625 --> 00:27:21,458
top of the stairs
1127
00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:23,667
he comes out of the bedroom,
1128
00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:23,667
shoots me in the stomach.
1129
00:27:23,709 --> 00:27:25,500
[Dawn]
1130
00:27:23,709 --> 00:27:25,500
He was shot at close range
1131
00:27:25,542 --> 00:27:27,709
with a .357 magnum.
1132
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:29,875
Went in the front, out the back,
1133
00:27:29,917 --> 00:27:32,625
blew his large intestine
1134
00:27:29,917 --> 00:27:32,625
in half.
1135
00:27:32,667 --> 00:27:34,959
[Wershe]
1136
00:27:32,667 --> 00:27:34,959
I believe I rolled down
1137
00:27:32,667 --> 00:27:34,959
the stairs.
1138
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,458
I was asking them to call 911.
1139
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,458
He wouldn't call 911-
1140
00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:39,959
he was in a panic.
1141
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,959
By the grace of God his
1142
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,959
girlfriend walked in the house.
1143
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,333
And she's the one
1144
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,333
that called 911.
1145
00:27:45,834 --> 00:27:51,125
The guy that shot me- his older
1146
00:27:45,834 --> 00:27:51,125
brother and a friend of his were
1147
00:27:45,834 --> 00:27:51,125
putting me in the car.
1148
00:27:51,166 --> 00:27:55,333
I don't know if they were going
1149
00:27:51,166 --> 00:27:55,333
to take me to a hospital or take
1150
00:27:51,166 --> 00:27:55,333
me somewhere and dump me.
1151
00:27:55,375 --> 00:27:58,834
Finally an ambulance showed up
1152
00:27:55,375 --> 00:27:58,834
and blocked them off and-
1153
00:27:58,875 --> 00:28:00,959
told them to give me
1154
00:27:58,875 --> 00:28:00,959
to them and-
1155
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,125
basically that ambulance ride
1156
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,125
saved my life.
1157
00:28:05,166 --> 00:28:08,250
[Johnny] I had nothing to do
1158
00:28:05,166 --> 00:28:08,250
with his getting shot.
1159
00:28:08,291 --> 00:28:10,667
If an agent said it
1160
00:28:08,291 --> 00:28:10,667
or whoever said it,
1161
00:28:10,709 --> 00:28:12,417
a police officer,
1162
00:28:10,709 --> 00:28:12,417
whoever said it,
1163
00:28:13,166 --> 00:28:15,208
they're way out of order, then.
1164
00:28:15,250 --> 00:28:18,917
Rick's family
1165
00:28:15,250 --> 00:28:18,917
and the task force all arrived
1166
00:28:18,959 --> 00:28:20,125
in the waiting room
1167
00:28:18,959 --> 00:28:20,125
of the hospital.
1168
00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:21,834
There's a physical altercation
1169
00:28:21,875 --> 00:28:25,041
between Richard
1170
00:28:21,875 --> 00:28:25,041
and the FBI handlers.
1171
00:28:25,917 --> 00:28:28,166
[Scott] Richard blames them
1172
00:28:25,917 --> 00:28:28,166
for getting his son shot
1173
00:28:28,208 --> 00:28:30,834
and, at that time,
1174
00:28:28,208 --> 00:28:30,834
thinking he might die.
1175
00:28:30,875 --> 00:28:35,166
The task force were kind of
1176
00:28:30,875 --> 00:28:35,166
huddled by the snack machines.
1177
00:28:35,208 --> 00:28:39,291
They had realized
1178
00:28:35,208 --> 00:28:39,291
that if he died,
1179
00:28:39,333 --> 00:28:41,291
the fact that they had been
1180
00:28:39,333 --> 00:28:41,291
using a 14-year-old kid
1181
00:28:41,333 --> 00:28:42,917
to infiltrate druggings
1182
00:28:42,959 --> 00:28:44,375
was gonna come to the surface
1183
00:28:44,417 --> 00:28:46,250
and it would be a scandal
1184
00:28:44,417 --> 00:28:46,250
of all scandals.
1185
00:28:46,709 --> 00:28:48,875
The surgeon, Dr. Bowles,
1186
00:28:48,917 --> 00:28:51,458
that performed surgery
1187
00:28:48,917 --> 00:28:51,458
and saved Rick's life
1188
00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:52,917
sat next to his bedside.
1189
00:28:52,959 --> 00:28:54,917
I believe it was for ten
1190
00:28:52,959 --> 00:28:54,917
or twelve hours.
1191
00:28:54,959 --> 00:28:56,500
Because he didn't think
1192
00:28:54,959 --> 00:28:56,500
he was gonna make it.
1193
00:28:57,208 --> 00:28:59,875
But he did, thank god.
1194
00:28:59,917 --> 00:29:02,125
I really honestly believe
1195
00:28:59,917 --> 00:29:02,125
this is a turning point.
1196
00:29:02,166 --> 00:29:04,208
Because he could've
1197
00:29:02,166 --> 00:29:04,208
pumped the brakes.
1198
00:29:04,250 --> 00:29:06,000
He could've said,
1199
00:29:04,250 --> 00:29:06,000
"You know what? This is crazy.
1200
00:29:06,041 --> 00:29:08,083
We almost got this kid killed.
1201
00:29:08,125 --> 00:29:09,625
We need to stop everything
1202
00:29:08,125 --> 00:29:09,625
right now
1203
00:29:09,667 --> 00:29:12,166
and just do this, you know,
1204
00:29:09,667 --> 00:29:12,166
by the book."
1205
00:29:12,959 --> 00:29:15,083
[Scott] But, instead,
1206
00:29:15,125 --> 00:29:17,041
members of that task force
1207
00:29:15,125 --> 00:29:17,041
came with a conclusion
1208
00:29:17,083 --> 00:29:19,583
this would increase
1209
00:29:17,083 --> 00:29:19,583
his credibility.
1210
00:29:20,458 --> 00:29:23,083
[Wershe]
1211
00:29:20,458 --> 00:29:23,083
The police told me to say the
1212
00:29:20,458 --> 00:29:23,083
shooting was an acident-
1213
00:29:23,125 --> 00:29:25,542
because it was the best way to
1214
00:29:23,125 --> 00:29:25,542
sweep it under the rug-
1215
00:29:25,583 --> 00:29:28,917
and I could continue to work for
1216
00:29:25,583 --> 00:29:28,917
them if I said it was an
1217
00:29:25,583 --> 00:29:28,917
accident.
1218
00:29:28,959 --> 00:29:30,625
We're gonna push it
1219
00:29:28,959 --> 00:29:30,625
into high gear.
1220
00:29:30,917 --> 00:29:33,750
[Scott] We're gonna send him
1221
00:29:30,917 --> 00:29:33,750
back in to the Curry gang
1222
00:29:34,166 --> 00:29:36,083
and if there was any belief
1223
00:29:36,125 --> 00:29:38,333
that he was an informant before,
1224
00:29:38,375 --> 00:29:40,208
that belief was gonna go
1225
00:29:38,375 --> 00:29:40,208
out the window
1226
00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:41,750
because if he was a snitch,
1227
00:29:41,792 --> 00:29:44,125
Johnny Curry would be
1228
00:29:41,792 --> 00:29:44,125
in handcuffs right now.
1229
00:29:44,166 --> 00:29:46,125
So, by the mere fact
1230
00:29:44,166 --> 00:29:46,125
of him going back
1231
00:29:46,166 --> 00:29:47,750
to his old neighborhood,
1232
00:29:47,792 --> 00:29:50,333
it built up his reputation
1233
00:29:47,792 --> 00:29:50,333
as a drug dealer,
1234
00:29:50,375 --> 00:29:51,792
uh, not an informant.
1235
00:29:51,834 --> 00:29:54,041
It almost helped him
1236
00:29:51,834 --> 00:29:54,041
in that regard.
1237
00:29:54,083 --> 00:29:55,959
[Scott] During Rick's recovery,
1238
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,959
Johnny Curry called him
1239
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,959
and, you know, said,
1240
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,000
"Where have you been?
1241
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,000
What's going on?"
1242
00:29:59,333 --> 00:30:00,917
Eventually, Rick met him
1243
00:30:00,959 --> 00:30:04,000
and was kinda like
1244
00:30:00,959 --> 00:30:04,000
confronted him.
1245
00:30:04,041 --> 00:30:05,083
"You thought I was an informant.
1246
00:30:05,125 --> 00:30:06,291
You had me shot."
1247
00:30:06,333 --> 00:30:07,458
And Johnny denied it.
1248
00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:09,333
Now, he might've mentioned it.
1249
00:30:09,375 --> 00:30:10,542
I don't know.
1250
00:30:11,083 --> 00:30:12,625
I had nothing to do with it.
1251
00:30:12,667 --> 00:30:14,375
[Scott]
1252
00:30:12,667 --> 00:30:14,375
But from that point forward,
1253
00:30:14,417 --> 00:30:17,166
Rick was in tighter than ever.
1254
00:30:17,208 --> 00:30:19,792
[funky music]
1255
00:30:19,834 --> 00:30:21,834
[commentator] And we're live
1256
00:30:21,875 --> 00:30:23,834
from Caesars Palace
1257
00:30:21,875 --> 00:30:23,834
in Las Vegas, Nevada.
1258
00:30:23,875 --> 00:30:28,333
Where Top Rank presents
1259
00:30:23,875 --> 00:30:28,333
World Championship Boxing.
1260
00:30:28,375 --> 00:30:30,333
[Herm] Johnny Curry
1261
00:30:28,375 --> 00:30:30,333
{\an8}and his entourage
1262
00:30:30,375 --> 00:30:33,875
{\an8}had gone to Las Vegas
1263
00:30:30,375 --> 00:30:33,875
{\an8}to the Hearns-Hagler fight.
1264
00:30:34,375 --> 00:30:36,542
{\an8}[announcer] Fighting out
1265
00:30:34,375 --> 00:30:36,542
{\an8}of Detroit, Michigan...
1266
00:30:36,583 --> 00:30:39,333
{\an8}[Scott] Tommy Hearns who was
1267
00:30:36,583 --> 00:30:39,333
{\an8}Detroit's favorite son
1268
00:30:39,375 --> 00:30:41,041
{\an8}in the boxing game at that time,
1269
00:30:41,083 --> 00:30:43,000
{\an8}was facing off against
1270
00:30:41,083 --> 00:30:43,000
{\an8}"Marvelous" Marvin Hagler.
1271
00:30:43,542 --> 00:30:46,250
{\an8}And all of the major
1272
00:30:43,542 --> 00:30:46,250
{\an8}urban drug dealers of Detroit
1273
00:30:46,291 --> 00:30:47,250
went to the fight.
1274
00:30:49,375 --> 00:30:51,291
[Kevin] And this was
1275
00:30:49,375 --> 00:30:51,291
the golden era of boxing.
1276
00:30:51,333 --> 00:30:52,792
The Tommy Hearns-
1277
00:30:51,333 --> 00:30:52,792
Marvin Hagler fight
1278
00:30:52,834 --> 00:30:54,834
was all anybody
1279
00:30:52,834 --> 00:30:54,834
was talking about in sports.
1280
00:30:54,875 --> 00:30:56,667
[Scott] Tommy Hearns grew up
1281
00:30:54,875 --> 00:30:56,667
and socialized
1282
00:30:56,709 --> 00:30:58,709
with a lot of the black
1283
00:30:56,709 --> 00:30:58,709
drug dealers in the era.
1284
00:30:58,750 --> 00:31:00,792
And the kind of joke was,
1285
00:31:00,834 --> 00:31:02,834
last guy in Detroit
1286
00:31:00,834 --> 00:31:02,834
turn off the lights.
1287
00:31:02,875 --> 00:31:05,000
[crowd cheering]
1288
00:31:06,125 --> 00:31:08,458
[Wershe]
1289
00:31:06,125 --> 00:31:08,458
I was asked to go out there and-
1290
00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:10,834
get information about some
1291
00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:10,834
people that were-
1292
00:31:10,875 --> 00:31:12,625
involved in the drug trade-
1293
00:31:12,667 --> 00:31:14,834
and their corrections and-
1294
00:31:14,875 --> 00:31:17,000
how the drugs were coming in
1295
00:31:14,875 --> 00:31:17,000
and-
1296
00:31:17,041 --> 00:31:20,583
just basically as much intel as
1297
00:31:17,041 --> 00:31:20,583
I could from out there.
1298
00:31:20,625 --> 00:31:22,333
I was given a fake ID.
1299
00:31:22,375 --> 00:31:26,166
I was 15 at the time- the ID
1300
00:31:22,375 --> 00:31:26,166
made me 21 years old.
1301
00:31:26,208 --> 00:31:28,458
So, they gave him money,
1302
00:31:26,208 --> 00:31:28,458
they gave him false ID,
1303
00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:30,667
and they set him up in a casino.
1304
00:31:30,709 --> 00:31:32,750
[Ralph] This is insanity.
1305
00:31:32,792 --> 00:31:36,125
[Wershe]
1306
00:31:32,792 --> 00:31:36,125
There's an FBI report detailing
1307
00:31:32,792 --> 00:31:36,125
that and it shows-
1308
00:31:36,166 --> 00:31:37,709
I think they gave me-
1309
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:39,583
like $1,500-
1310
00:31:39,625 --> 00:31:42,583
on a receipt and then I think
1311
00:31:39,625 --> 00:31:42,583
they gave me like another-
1312
00:31:42,625 --> 00:31:45,709
thousand or 1,500 bucks for
1313
00:31:42,625 --> 00:31:45,709
pocket money.
1314
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:47,333
[Scott]
1315
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:47,333
While they're at the fight,
1316
00:31:49,208 --> 00:31:53,333
Johnny Curry and his entourage's
1317
00:31:49,208 --> 00:31:53,333
reservations and fight tickets
1318
00:31:53,375 --> 00:31:54,542
mysteriously disappear.
1319
00:31:55,959 --> 00:31:57,333
Or maybe disappear
1320
00:31:55,959 --> 00:31:57,333
is the wrong word.
1321
00:31:57,375 --> 00:31:59,166
They never really existed
1322
00:31:57,375 --> 00:31:59,166
to start.
1323
00:32:00,375 --> 00:32:02,250
[Scott] Johnny had reached out
1324
00:32:00,375 --> 00:32:02,250
to a member of his crew
1325
00:32:02,291 --> 00:32:04,375
by a guy of a name of Leon Lucas
1326
00:32:04,417 --> 00:32:06,625
and him and Johnny
1327
00:32:04,417 --> 00:32:06,625
had kinda gotten into a beef
1328
00:32:06,667 --> 00:32:08,625
over drugs and money
1329
00:32:08,667 --> 00:32:10,834
that had been
1330
00:32:08,667 --> 00:32:10,834
confiscated in a raid.
1331
00:32:11,625 --> 00:32:13,917
Johnny Curry
1332
00:32:11,625 --> 00:32:13,917
held him responsible
1333
00:32:13,959 --> 00:32:15,625
for the drugs and money.
1334
00:32:16,041 --> 00:32:17,375
[Scott] And Leon said,
1335
00:32:16,041 --> 00:32:17,375
"Let me start
1336
00:32:17,417 --> 00:32:18,917
to try to make it up for you.
1337
00:32:18,959 --> 00:32:21,500
I will provide you
1338
00:32:18,959 --> 00:32:21,500
hotel arrangements
1339
00:32:21,542 --> 00:32:23,542
and tickets
1340
00:32:21,542 --> 00:32:23,542
for the Hagler-Hearns fight.
1341
00:32:23,583 --> 00:32:25,166
Now, he assured Johnny Curry
1342
00:32:25,208 --> 00:32:26,667
that it would all
1343
00:32:25,208 --> 00:32:26,667
be taken care of.
1344
00:32:26,709 --> 00:32:29,250
Well, when Curry
1345
00:32:26,709 --> 00:32:29,250
and his posse got out there,
1346
00:32:29,291 --> 00:32:31,500
nothing was handled,
1347
00:32:29,291 --> 00:32:31,500
nothing was taken care of.
1348
00:32:31,542 --> 00:32:34,625
[Herm] And when he
1349
00:32:31,542 --> 00:32:34,625
got back to Detroit,
1350
00:32:34,667 --> 00:32:36,333
some of his lieutenants
1351
00:32:36,375 --> 00:32:38,500
not at the direction
1352
00:32:36,375 --> 00:32:38,500
of Johnny Curry himself,
1353
00:32:38,542 --> 00:32:39,500
but some of his lieutenants
1354
00:32:41,375 --> 00:32:44,750
went over to Leon Lucas' house
1355
00:32:41,375 --> 00:32:44,750
in an effort to intimidate him.
1356
00:32:44,792 --> 00:32:48,083
What those individuals
1357
00:32:44,792 --> 00:32:48,083
that went there decided to do
1358
00:32:48,125 --> 00:32:51,542
was to shoot the place up
1359
00:32:48,125 --> 00:32:51,542
in a drive-by shooting.
1360
00:32:51,583 --> 00:32:53,083
Unfortunately, for them,
1361
00:32:53,125 --> 00:32:54,250
Leon Lucas isn't there.
1362
00:32:54,583 --> 00:32:56,375
[911 operator]
1363
00:33:00,667 --> 00:33:02,125
[911 operator]
1364
00:33:02,166 --> 00:33:04,917
[caller]
1365
00:33:04,959 --> 00:33:06,458
[911 operator]
1366
00:33:06,834 --> 00:33:09,000
[Kevin] And in the process,
1367
00:33:09,041 --> 00:33:11,375
Leon's nephew, Damion Lucas,
1368
00:33:09,041 --> 00:33:11,375
who was 13-years old,
1369
00:33:11,417 --> 00:33:12,542
and was living with him,
1370
00:33:12,583 --> 00:33:13,458
was shot and killed.
1371
00:33:14,625 --> 00:33:17,458
And this becomes
1372
00:33:14,625 --> 00:33:17,458
a very hot topic
1373
00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:18,625
in law enforcement.
1374
00:33:18,667 --> 00:33:20,333
[Scott] On the news,
1375
00:33:20,375 --> 00:33:21,709
"13-year-old Killed
1376
00:33:20,375 --> 00:33:21,709
in Drive-by."
1377
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:22,792
[Herm]
1378
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:22,792
You know, I heard Johnny Curry,
1379
00:33:22,834 --> 00:33:24,333
uh, on wiretaps.
1380
00:33:24,625 --> 00:33:27,417
Uh, shortly after we got
1381
00:33:24,625 --> 00:33:27,417
the authority to tap his phone.
1382
00:33:27,458 --> 00:33:30,834
And he was lamenting,
1383
00:33:27,458 --> 00:33:30,834
whoever he was talking with,
1384
00:33:30,875 --> 00:33:32,208
that, "You know, those guys
1385
00:33:32,250 --> 00:33:34,041
shouldn't have gone over there.
1386
00:33:34,083 --> 00:33:35,750
I told them don't go
1387
00:33:34,083 --> 00:33:35,750
over there."
1388
00:33:35,792 --> 00:33:37,750
He was sorry that this whole
1389
00:33:35,792 --> 00:33:37,750
thing had taken place.
1390
00:33:37,792 --> 00:33:40,083
Probably because it was
1391
00:33:37,792 --> 00:33:40,083
bringing a lot of heat
1392
00:33:40,125 --> 00:33:42,959
on him, uh,
1393
00:33:40,125 --> 00:33:42,959
and his drug organization.
1394
00:33:43,709 --> 00:33:45,709
[somber music]
1395
00:33:49,583 --> 00:33:52,667
Rick Wershe comes back
1396
00:33:49,583 --> 00:33:52,667
into play in this whole story.
1397
00:33:52,709 --> 00:33:54,834
And that Rick says
1398
00:33:54,875 --> 00:33:57,166
he was, uh, listening in on
1399
00:33:54,875 --> 00:33:57,166
a phone conversation
1400
00:33:57,208 --> 00:33:59,333
over a speakerphone,
1401
00:33:59,375 --> 00:34:01,291
and he heard Johnny Curry
1402
00:33:59,375 --> 00:34:01,291
talking to Gil Hill.
1403
00:34:01,959 --> 00:34:07,625
[Wershe]
1404
00:34:01,959 --> 00:34:07,625
And that's when I found out that
1405
00:34:01,959 --> 00:34:07,625
Gil Hill was responsible for
1406
00:34:01,959 --> 00:34:07,625
covering up the kid's murder.
1407
00:34:08,208 --> 00:34:11,250
Johnny placed a call to Gil, put
1408
00:34:08,208 --> 00:34:11,250
it on speaker-
1409
00:34:11,291 --> 00:34:14,041
we were riding around in
1410
00:34:11,291 --> 00:34:14,041
Johnny's BMW.
1411
00:34:14,083 --> 00:34:18,041
Basically Gil told him
1412
00:34:14,083 --> 00:34:18,041
everything that was going on,
1413
00:34:14,083 --> 00:34:18,041
and-
1414
00:34:18,083 --> 00:34:21,250
you know- that he had it under
1415
00:34:18,083 --> 00:34:21,250
control, and that he would be in
1416
00:34:18,083 --> 00:34:21,250
touch-
1417
00:34:21,291 --> 00:34:22,959
not to worry about anything.
1418
00:34:23,417 --> 00:34:26,291
He had already been to meet with
1419
00:34:23,417 --> 00:34:26,291
Gil and-
1420
00:34:26,333 --> 00:34:29,792
he said he gave Gil ten grand to
1421
00:34:26,333 --> 00:34:29,792
cover up the kid's murder.
1422
00:34:29,834 --> 00:34:31,667
This information made him
1423
00:34:31,709 --> 00:34:33,625
incredibly dangerous
1424
00:34:31,709 --> 00:34:33,625
to a lot of people.
1425
00:34:33,667 --> 00:34:36,542
Johnny Curry told this to me
1426
00:34:36,583 --> 00:34:38,542
while he was incarcerated
1427
00:34:38,583 --> 00:34:42,542
at the Texarkana
1428
00:34:38,583 --> 00:34:42,542
Federal Correctional Facility
1429
00:34:42,583 --> 00:34:44,667
in Texas.
1430
00:34:44,709 --> 00:34:46,166
[Herm] So, ultimately,
1431
00:34:44,709 --> 00:34:46,166
what happened
1432
00:34:46,208 --> 00:34:48,375
is the, uh,
1433
00:34:46,208 --> 00:34:48,375
Detroit Police Department,
1434
00:34:48,417 --> 00:34:50,667
under the direction of Gil Hill,
1435
00:34:50,709 --> 00:34:53,417
uh, framed, basically,
1436
00:34:50,709 --> 00:34:53,417
an innocent man, LaKeas Davis.
1437
00:34:54,291 --> 00:34:55,792
I had information.
1438
00:34:55,834 --> 00:34:58,583
Part of it was
1439
00:34:55,834 --> 00:34:58,583
from Richard Wershe, Jr.,
1440
00:34:58,625 --> 00:35:02,041
and part it was from
1441
00:34:58,625 --> 00:35:02,041
the wiretaps that we had
1442
00:35:02,083 --> 00:35:04,000
that strongly suggested
1443
00:35:04,041 --> 00:35:05,917
that they had the wrong guy
1444
00:35:04,041 --> 00:35:05,917
locked up.
1445
00:35:05,959 --> 00:35:07,542
And he's facing a life term.
1446
00:35:09,417 --> 00:35:11,083
[Nate] Well, sometime
1447
00:35:09,417 --> 00:35:11,083
he had tell us
1448
00:35:11,125 --> 00:35:12,125
to put the gun
1449
00:35:11,125 --> 00:35:12,125
in somebody's car.
1450
00:35:12,166 --> 00:35:13,583
One of our enemies.
1451
00:35:13,625 --> 00:35:15,500
And then he had the police
1452
00:35:13,625 --> 00:35:15,500
pull up on them
1453
00:35:15,542 --> 00:35:17,000
and said, "Wait, wait.
1454
00:35:17,041 --> 00:35:19,166
Is that a gun hanging out
1455
00:35:17,041 --> 00:35:19,166
on your seat?"
1456
00:35:19,208 --> 00:35:20,667
Well, the people don't know
1457
00:35:19,208 --> 00:35:20,667
that we just slipped the gun
1458
00:35:20,709 --> 00:35:21,500
in their car.
1459
00:35:21,542 --> 00:35:22,875
[laughter]
1460
00:35:22,917 --> 00:35:24,709
Same way we did
1461
00:35:22,917 --> 00:35:24,709
with a pot of drugs.
1462
00:35:24,750 --> 00:35:27,625
He used to tell us to set
1463
00:35:24,750 --> 00:35:27,625
people up with drug bust too.
1464
00:35:27,667 --> 00:35:29,125
That's the way they get busses.
1465
00:35:30,959 --> 00:35:32,291
[Gregg] Subsequently,
1466
00:35:30,959 --> 00:35:32,291
I was ordered
1467
00:35:32,333 --> 00:35:34,125
by my special agent in charge
1468
00:35:34,709 --> 00:35:37,458
to gather all
1469
00:35:34,709 --> 00:35:37,458
of the information that we had
1470
00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:39,709
with regards to
1471
00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:39,709
the Damion Lucas murder
1472
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:43,583
and take it directly
1473
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:43,583
to Chief Hart
1474
00:35:43,625 --> 00:35:46,000
of the Detroit
1475
00:35:43,625 --> 00:35:46,000
Police Department.
1476
00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:50,291
I did so and nothing
1477
00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:50,291
ever occurred.
1478
00:35:54,583 --> 00:35:57,792
To this day, it's still
1479
00:35:54,583 --> 00:35:57,792
an open investigation.
1480
00:35:58,834 --> 00:36:01,917
[Herm] In fact, LaKeas Davis
1481
00:35:58,834 --> 00:36:01,917
remained in jail
1482
00:36:01,959 --> 00:36:03,583
was facing a trial.
1483
00:36:03,625 --> 00:36:05,750
And so I made sure
1484
00:36:03,625 --> 00:36:05,750
Davis' defense attorney
1485
00:36:06,208 --> 00:36:08,250
got the information
1486
00:36:06,208 --> 00:36:08,250
that he needed
1487
00:36:08,291 --> 00:36:09,792
to get him exonerated.
1488
00:36:11,625 --> 00:36:12,834
Ultimately, that resulted
1489
00:36:11,625 --> 00:36:12,834
in me being subpoenaed
1490
00:36:12,875 --> 00:36:14,583
to state court.
1491
00:36:14,625 --> 00:36:16,583
And where demands were met on me
1492
00:36:16,625 --> 00:36:18,542
to reveal the source
1493
00:36:16,625 --> 00:36:18,542
of the information.
1494
00:36:19,208 --> 00:36:20,709
Well, it became
1495
00:36:19,208 --> 00:36:20,709
very touch-and-go
1496
00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:23,583
because there would be
1497
00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:23,583
extreme retaliation
1498
00:36:23,625 --> 00:36:25,458
against the Wershe family.
1499
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:26,500
And so I refused to do it.
1500
00:36:28,125 --> 00:36:29,917
And, um, I was threatened
1501
00:36:28,125 --> 00:36:29,917
with contempt of court.
1502
00:36:29,959 --> 00:36:33,291
Ultimately, they dismissed
1503
00:36:29,959 --> 00:36:33,291
the case against LaKeas Davis
1504
00:36:33,333 --> 00:36:34,917
and they freed him
1505
00:36:33,333 --> 00:36:34,917
at that point.
1506
00:36:35,542 --> 00:36:37,500
[Scott] And Gil Hill
1507
00:36:35,542 --> 00:36:37,500
was investigated
1508
00:36:37,542 --> 00:36:39,750
for his role
1509
00:36:37,542 --> 00:36:39,750
in taking a possible payoff
1510
00:36:39,792 --> 00:36:41,959
and possibly
1511
00:36:39,792 --> 00:36:41,959
burying these charges.
1512
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:42,959
He was never charged.
1513
00:36:44,834 --> 00:36:48,208
And when Gil Hill ran for mayor,
1514
00:36:44,834 --> 00:36:48,208
this case came up
1515
00:36:48,250 --> 00:36:50,625
and was a detriment
1516
00:36:48,250 --> 00:36:50,625
to his campaign.
1517
00:36:51,667 --> 00:36:55,041
At that point, I didn't realize
1518
00:36:51,667 --> 00:36:55,041
to, uh, what extent
1519
00:36:55,083 --> 00:36:56,792
the corruption had spread
1520
00:36:56,834 --> 00:36:58,083
throughout
1521
00:36:56,834 --> 00:36:58,083
the police department.
1522
00:37:00,458 --> 00:37:02,583
[Gregg] When we did the raid
1523
00:37:00,458 --> 00:37:02,583
on Cathy Volsan-Curry's house
1524
00:37:02,625 --> 00:37:05,500
which was in June of 1987,
1525
00:37:06,083 --> 00:37:09,625
we found a laminated card
1526
00:37:06,083 --> 00:37:09,625
exactly like this one,
1527
00:37:10,125 --> 00:37:13,291
holding the personal
1528
00:37:10,125 --> 00:37:13,291
and confidential information
1529
00:37:13,333 --> 00:37:15,250
from Gil Hill and Jimmy Harris
1530
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:17,291
which ended up being
1531
00:37:17,333 --> 00:37:19,834
the beginning of all the rumors
1532
00:37:19,875 --> 00:37:21,333
that we had heard
1533
00:37:21,375 --> 00:37:24,125
with regards to
1534
00:37:21,375 --> 00:37:24,125
the funneling of information
1535
00:37:24,166 --> 00:37:26,500
from the Detroit
1536
00:37:24,166 --> 00:37:26,500
Police Department
1537
00:37:26,542 --> 00:37:28,667
to the Curry organization.
1538
00:37:28,709 --> 00:37:31,709
So was that uncommon for Cathy
1539
00:37:28,709 --> 00:37:31,709
to have that kind of access?
1540
00:37:32,625 --> 00:37:34,792
She had access
1541
00:37:32,625 --> 00:37:34,792
to anything she wanted.
1542
00:37:34,834 --> 00:37:35,709
[Chris] Like what?
1543
00:37:37,083 --> 00:37:38,834
Police reports,
1544
00:37:37,083 --> 00:37:38,834
surveillance reports,
1545
00:37:38,875 --> 00:37:39,667
whatever you wanted.
1546
00:37:40,709 --> 00:37:41,750
[Chris] On Johnny?
1547
00:37:42,709 --> 00:37:44,542
Johnny, myself,
1548
00:37:45,166 --> 00:37:47,625
other people
1549
00:37:45,166 --> 00:37:47,625
who needed this stuff.
1550
00:37:48,333 --> 00:37:51,250
[Chris] So, if she said
1551
00:37:48,333 --> 00:37:51,250
to Sgt. Jimmy Harris,
1552
00:37:51,291 --> 00:37:53,667
"I need to know what
1553
00:37:51,291 --> 00:37:53,667
the narcotics cops are doing
1554
00:37:53,709 --> 00:37:57,834
on Rick, on Johnny,
1555
00:37:53,709 --> 00:37:57,834
on anybody else,"
1556
00:37:57,875 --> 00:37:59,333
he would flip them to her?
1557
00:37:59,959 --> 00:38:01,208
No problem.
1558
00:38:03,250 --> 00:38:05,250
[Herm] The matter
1559
00:38:03,250 --> 00:38:05,250
of the Damion Lucas murder
1560
00:38:05,291 --> 00:38:06,333
was never resolved.
1561
00:38:06,375 --> 00:38:07,834
I knew who did it
1562
00:38:07,875 --> 00:38:10,458
and, but, uh, proving it
1563
00:38:07,875 --> 00:38:10,458
is something else.
1564
00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:16,500
[Wershe] Truthfully I wish I
1565
00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:16,500
never woulda got roped into the
1566
00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:16,500
Damion Lucas thing, because-
1567
00:38:16,542 --> 00:38:20,583
I didn't know 30 years later it
1568
00:38:16,542 --> 00:38:20,583
would still be affecting my
1569
00:38:16,542 --> 00:38:20,583
life.
1570
00:38:21,166 --> 00:38:23,166
[ominous music]
1571
00:38:27,125 --> 00:38:30,458
Well, I was, uh, told
1572
00:38:27,125 --> 00:38:30,458
to kill White Boy Rick.
1573
00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:33,000
We heard that he was telling.
1574
00:38:33,709 --> 00:38:35,917
So, they say,
1575
00:38:33,709 --> 00:38:35,917
"We gotta kill that white boy."
1576
00:38:35,959 --> 00:38:37,166
[Todd] My career is finished.
1577
00:38:38,667 --> 00:38:40,792
But I promise you,
1578
00:38:38,667 --> 00:38:40,792
I won't go down alone.
1579
00:38:40,834 --> 00:38:42,250
[Nate] I know after he did, uh,
1580
00:38:42,291 --> 00:38:44,000
Beverly Hill Cops and all that,
1581
00:38:44,041 --> 00:38:45,709
he was trying to stay away
1582
00:38:44,041 --> 00:38:45,709
from everybody.
1583
00:38:46,625 --> 00:38:50,041
But he would meet you somewhere
1584
00:38:46,625 --> 00:38:50,041
as long as he feel he was safe.
1585
00:38:50,917 --> 00:38:54,500
Like he would meet you out
1586
00:38:50,917 --> 00:38:54,500
at The Island in Waterfront.
1587
00:38:54,542 --> 00:38:56,208
But, yeah, uh...
1588
00:38:56,250 --> 00:38:59,667
He said that basically,
1589
00:38:56,250 --> 00:38:59,667
he wants us to make sure
1590
00:38:59,709 --> 00:39:01,625
that we kill White Boy Rick.
1591
00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:04,166
Make sure that boy is dead.
1592
00:39:06,041 --> 00:39:08,041
But we gotta make sure that
1593
00:39:06,041 --> 00:39:08,041
it don't lead back to no one.
1594
00:39:08,875 --> 00:39:10,333
I said, "Well, you know me.
1595
00:39:10,375 --> 00:39:12,333
All my hits don't lead back
1596
00:39:10,375 --> 00:39:12,333
to no one."
1597
00:39:16,667 --> 00:39:18,917
[Scott] Rick had got in deeper
1598
00:39:18,959 --> 00:39:20,959
and had risen higher
1599
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,709
than anyone ever thought
1600
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,709
he could.
1601
00:39:22,750 --> 00:39:25,583
[Wershe] At some point these
1602
00:39:22,750 --> 00:39:25,583
guys said-
1603
00:39:25,625 --> 00:39:28,000
sooner or later something's
1604
00:39:25,625 --> 00:39:28,000
going to go bad-
1605
00:39:28,041 --> 00:39:30,166
and we're going to be held
1606
00:39:28,041 --> 00:39:30,166
accountable.
1607
00:39:30,208 --> 00:39:31,709
[Ralph] They don't debrief him.
1608
00:39:32,125 --> 00:39:34,917
They don't send him
1609
00:39:32,125 --> 00:39:34,917
to a boarding school
1610
00:39:34,959 --> 00:39:36,834
where he can get over
1611
00:39:36,875 --> 00:39:39,000
what they've just
1612
00:39:36,875 --> 00:39:39,000
subjected him to.
1613
00:39:39,041 --> 00:39:41,458
They turn him loose
1614
00:39:39,041 --> 00:39:41,458
on the streets.
1615
00:39:41,792 --> 00:39:44,291
[Wershe] It wasn't like they
1616
00:39:41,792 --> 00:39:44,291
ever said-
1617
00:39:44,333 --> 00:39:46,417
"Rick, stop selling drugs."
1618
00:39:46,458 --> 00:39:48,417
"Rick, stop buying drugs."
1619
00:39:48,458 --> 00:39:50,792
One day they just never called
1620
00:39:48,458 --> 00:39:50,792
again-
1621
00:39:50,834 --> 00:39:52,250
and that's how we broke ties.
1622
00:39:52,291 --> 00:39:53,959
He wasn't gonna go
1623
00:39:52,291 --> 00:39:53,959
back to school.
1624
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,959
He knew the drug trade.
1625
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,625
So, he became a drug dealer.
1626
00:39:57,667 --> 00:40:00,125
[Wershe] I became addicted to
1627
00:39:57,667 --> 00:40:00,125
the lifestyle.
1628
00:40:00,166 --> 00:40:01,959
I became addicted to the money.
1629
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,000
I became addicted to the women.
1630
00:40:04,041 --> 00:40:05,291
I became addicted to that life.
1631
00:40:05,333 --> 00:40:07,000
[Scott] The only difference was,
1632
00:40:07,041 --> 00:40:09,166
you know, he wasn't getting
1633
00:40:07,041 --> 00:40:09,166
a government stipend.
1634
00:40:09,458 --> 00:40:12,917
They had gleaned enough
1635
00:40:09,458 --> 00:40:12,917
information and intelligence
1636
00:40:12,959 --> 00:40:14,959
from him regarding
1637
00:40:12,959 --> 00:40:14,959
the Curry gang
1638
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,333
that the indictment
1639
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,333
was on the horizon.
1640
00:40:17,375 --> 00:40:19,500
The indictment would drop
1641
00:40:17,375 --> 00:40:19,500
within a couple months.
1642
00:40:23,041 --> 00:40:24,500
[Kevin] Rick will tell you that
1643
00:40:24,542 --> 00:40:28,875
it wasn't the smartest thing
1644
00:40:24,542 --> 00:40:28,875
to do, to date the wife
1645
00:40:28,917 --> 00:40:31,291
of a man you put in prison
1646
00:40:28,917 --> 00:40:31,291
or help put in prison.
1647
00:40:31,333 --> 00:40:32,625
Uh, but it happened.
1648
00:40:32,667 --> 00:40:33,917
I still wouldn't hold nothing
1649
00:40:32,667 --> 00:40:33,917
against that.
1650
00:40:33,959 --> 00:40:36,333
She was getting high.
1651
00:40:33,959 --> 00:40:36,333
What can you say, so...
1652
00:40:37,375 --> 00:40:40,750
[Wershe] I was a 17 year old
1653
00:40:37,375 --> 00:40:40,750
kid- I was having fun.
1654
00:40:40,792 --> 00:40:43,083
To be honest, dating her back
1655
00:40:40,792 --> 00:40:43,083
then was like-
1656
00:40:43,125 --> 00:40:45,000
dating a movie star or
1657
00:40:43,125 --> 00:40:45,000
something.
1658
00:40:45,041 --> 00:40:47,667
I remember one time,
1659
00:40:45,041 --> 00:40:47,667
back in those days,
1660
00:40:47,709 --> 00:40:50,208
I had a '63 black
1661
00:40:47,709 --> 00:40:50,208
Corvette convertible
1662
00:40:50,250 --> 00:40:51,792
with red interior.
1663
00:40:51,834 --> 00:40:53,583
[Chris] And I'm driving it
1664
00:40:51,834 --> 00:40:53,583
downtown.
1665
00:40:53,625 --> 00:40:54,792
Who comes driving by?
1666
00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:57,250
Rick Wershe and his friends.
1667
00:40:57,291 --> 00:40:59,166
And I forget what kind of car
1668
00:40:59,208 --> 00:41:00,291
but it was relatively
1669
00:40:59,208 --> 00:41:00,291
new and nice.
1670
00:41:00,333 --> 00:41:01,875
"Hey, Chris. What's going on?"
1671
00:41:01,917 --> 00:41:02,792
-[car whooshes]
1672
00:41:01,917 --> 00:41:02,792
- You speed off.
1673
00:41:04,166 --> 00:41:06,208
He was enjoying
1674
00:41:04,166 --> 00:41:06,208
the celebrity moment.
1675
00:41:06,875 --> 00:41:08,917
He was a kid.
1676
00:41:08,959 --> 00:41:10,959
And he was famous for all
1677
00:41:08,959 --> 00:41:10,959
the wrong reasons
1678
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,333
but he was living the life.
1679
00:41:13,625 --> 00:41:14,959
But I knew that was
1680
00:41:13,625 --> 00:41:14,959
White Boy Rick's ride.
1681
00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:18,083
[Nate] So we followed him.
1682
00:41:18,125 --> 00:41:20,250
I speeded up
1683
00:41:18,125 --> 00:41:20,250
trying to get to him.
1684
00:41:20,291 --> 00:41:24,417
[Wershe] Me and Roy were sitting
1685
00:41:20,291 --> 00:41:24,417
at a stoplight in a car-
1686
00:41:24,458 --> 00:41:28,542
and I happened to look over my
1687
00:41:24,458 --> 00:41:28,542
shoulder and I seen a van
1688
00:41:24,458 --> 00:41:28,542
pulling up.
1689
00:41:28,583 --> 00:41:30,542
And I saw the door sliding-
1690
00:41:30,583 --> 00:41:32,250
it was like cracked open.
1691
00:41:32,291 --> 00:41:34,875
And I told Roy, I said, "Roy,
1692
00:41:32,291 --> 00:41:34,875
run the light!"
1693
00:41:34,917 --> 00:41:36,917
We stopped.
1694
00:41:34,917 --> 00:41:36,917
That side door pulled open.
1695
00:41:36,959 --> 00:41:38,291
[Nate]
1696
00:41:36,959 --> 00:41:38,291
Who's siting in the chair?
1697
00:41:38,333 --> 00:41:39,709
[imitates gun firing, jamming]
1698
00:41:41,041 --> 00:41:43,000
"Man, hand me
1699
00:41:41,041 --> 00:41:43,000
another gun," I said.
1700
00:41:43,041 --> 00:41:44,500
I think we better reach
1701
00:41:43,041 --> 00:41:44,500
up in the...
1702
00:41:44,542 --> 00:41:46,875
By that time,
1703
00:41:44,542 --> 00:41:46,875
they had speeded off.
1704
00:41:46,917 --> 00:41:49,875
[Wershe] I mean they got shots
1705
00:41:46,917 --> 00:41:49,875
off- the car was hit.
1706
00:41:49,917 --> 00:41:51,917
That's the only reason why
1707
00:41:49,917 --> 00:41:51,917
he was still alive.
1708
00:41:51,959 --> 00:41:53,875
That MAC jammed on us.
1709
00:41:55,083 --> 00:41:57,709
[Wershe] I had friends that were
1710
00:41:55,083 --> 00:41:57,709
murdered.
1711
00:41:57,750 --> 00:42:01,417
To be honest, you're a kid and
1712
00:41:57,750 --> 00:42:01,417
you don't realize-
1713
00:42:01,458 --> 00:42:03,291
everyday that you were playing
1714
00:42:01,458 --> 00:42:03,291
with fire-
1715
00:42:03,333 --> 00:42:06,834
that you could walk out your
1716
00:42:03,333 --> 00:42:06,834
door one day and your life would
1717
00:42:03,333 --> 00:42:06,834
be over.
1718
00:42:06,875 --> 00:42:08,792
[ominous music]
1719
00:42:17,667 --> 00:42:19,709
[Ralph] And in that period
1720
00:42:17,667 --> 00:42:19,709
of time,
1721
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:22,041
he became what is known
1722
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:22,041
as a "wait man."
1723
00:42:22,542 --> 00:42:25,375
As a wait man,
1724
00:42:22,542 --> 00:42:25,375
he had a line of credit
1725
00:42:25,417 --> 00:42:28,834
with some drug importers
1726
00:42:25,417 --> 00:42:28,834
in Miami.
1727
00:42:29,458 --> 00:42:31,750
He brought a lot of drugs
1728
00:42:29,458 --> 00:42:31,750
into Detroit
1729
00:42:31,792 --> 00:42:33,125
in a very short period of time.
1730
00:42:33,166 --> 00:42:34,417
He was not a drug dealer
1731
00:42:33,166 --> 00:42:34,417
for very long,
1732
00:42:34,834 --> 00:42:38,166
but he was nowhere near
1733
00:42:34,834 --> 00:42:38,166
the big-time drug dealers.
1734
00:42:38,208 --> 00:42:40,291
[Johnny] From a scale
1735
00:42:38,208 --> 00:42:40,291
to one to ten,
1736
00:42:40,333 --> 00:42:42,875
I'm a ten,
1737
00:42:40,333 --> 00:42:42,875
I'd say he was about a two.
1738
00:42:43,834 --> 00:42:44,959
Rick was nowhere near me.
1739
00:42:45,625 --> 00:42:48,417
Guys like the Chambers
1740
00:42:45,625 --> 00:42:48,417
or guys like the Currys
1741
00:42:48,458 --> 00:42:52,542
they controlled whole sections
1742
00:42:48,458 --> 00:42:52,542
of the city.
1743
00:42:53,083 --> 00:42:55,125
Rick didn't control anything.
1744
00:42:55,625 --> 00:42:56,959
I used to say,
1745
00:42:55,625 --> 00:42:56,959
"Where did they...
1746
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,083
Where is they getting
1747
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,083
this stuff from?
1748
00:42:59,125 --> 00:43:01,500
I guess this Chris Hansen guy.
1749
00:42:59,125 --> 00:43:01,500
I don't know."
1750
00:43:01,542 --> 00:43:04,166
I never set out
1751
00:43:01,542 --> 00:43:04,166
to make Rick look like
1752
00:43:04,208 --> 00:43:05,917
a bigger drug dealer
1753
00:43:04,208 --> 00:43:05,917
than he was.
1754
00:43:07,875 --> 00:43:08,542
[Chris] Were there
1755
00:43:07,875 --> 00:43:08,542
some exaggerations?
1756
00:43:08,583 --> 00:43:09,875
Perhaps.
1757
00:43:09,917 --> 00:43:11,000
[Scott] There were
1758
00:43:09,917 --> 00:43:11,000
seeds of truth
1759
00:43:11,041 --> 00:43:13,208
to what they were saying.
1760
00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:15,792
He was socializing with all
1761
00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:15,792
of the major players,
1762
00:43:15,834 --> 00:43:18,834
so it was hard for the media
1763
00:43:15,834 --> 00:43:18,834
to divorce that.
1764
00:43:18,875 --> 00:43:21,166
You know, whether he was
1765
00:43:18,875 --> 00:43:21,166
a drug kingpin,
1766
00:43:21,208 --> 00:43:24,834
a drug lord, a drug prince,
1767
00:43:21,208 --> 00:43:24,834
a drug prodigy,
1768
00:43:24,875 --> 00:43:28,959
he was a 17-year-old kid
1769
00:43:24,875 --> 00:43:28,959
dealing multi-kilos of dope
1770
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,000
and very few adults do that.
1771
00:43:31,041 --> 00:43:33,041
Rick couldn't deal
1772
00:43:31,041 --> 00:43:33,041
with a lot of guys...
1773
00:43:33,083 --> 00:43:35,083
A lot of people
1774
00:43:33,083 --> 00:43:35,083
that I've dealt with,
1775
00:43:35,125 --> 00:43:36,834
Rick couldn't even see them.
1776
00:43:36,875 --> 00:43:38,250
Johnny and his brother,
1777
00:43:38,291 --> 00:43:39,959
and his people,
1778
00:43:38,291 --> 00:43:39,959
they were grown men.
1779
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,000
These are grown men.
1780
00:43:42,041 --> 00:43:43,291
[Steve] And this was a kid.
1781
00:43:42,041 --> 00:43:43,291
That's the difference.
1782
00:43:43,333 --> 00:43:45,250
A 17-year-old white kid?
1783
00:43:45,291 --> 00:43:46,709
It was impossible for him
1784
00:43:45,291 --> 00:43:46,709
to have been
1785
00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:48,208
what people have pretended
1786
00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:48,208
that he was.
1787
00:43:48,959 --> 00:43:51,792
[Wershe] It wasn't like I went
1788
00:43:48,959 --> 00:43:51,792
out and said-
1789
00:43:51,834 --> 00:43:54,417
I want to become this big drug
1790
00:43:51,834 --> 00:43:54,417
dealer and-
1791
00:43:54,458 --> 00:43:57,291
want everyone in the state of
1792
00:43:54,458 --> 00:43:57,291
Michigan to know me.
1793
00:43:57,333 --> 00:44:00,250
I was led down this path by law
1794
00:43:57,333 --> 00:44:00,250
enforcement.
1795
00:44:00,291 --> 00:44:03,041
I think about every day if I
1796
00:44:00,291 --> 00:44:03,041
would have walked away.
1797
00:44:03,083 --> 00:44:05,417
I was a kid. I was stupid.
1798
00:44:05,458 --> 00:44:07,875
So, when you look at it
1799
00:44:05,458 --> 00:44:07,875
at the end of the day,
1800
00:44:07,917 --> 00:44:09,834
you know, law enforcement
1801
00:44:09,875 --> 00:44:12,166
created, almost
1802
00:44:09,875 --> 00:44:12,166
a perfect criminal.
1803
00:44:12,208 --> 00:44:14,834
[Scott] And law enforcement
1804
00:44:12,208 --> 00:44:14,834
created the perfect persona,
1805
00:44:14,875 --> 00:44:16,625
a perfect character
1806
00:44:14,875 --> 00:44:16,625
for the local news,
1807
00:44:16,667 --> 00:44:18,417
for the local media,
1808
00:44:16,667 --> 00:44:18,417
and they ate it up.
1809
00:44:19,208 --> 00:44:20,417
I covered it a lot.
1810
00:44:21,917 --> 00:44:23,417
Rick will say
1811
00:44:21,917 --> 00:44:23,417
I had him on TV every day.
1812
00:44:23,458 --> 00:44:24,792
Obviously, that's not true.
1813
00:44:24,834 --> 00:44:26,750
He's just saying that
1814
00:44:24,834 --> 00:44:26,750
to make a point.
1815
00:44:26,792 --> 00:44:27,917
They convicted me
1816
00:44:26,792 --> 00:44:27,917
through the media,
1817
00:44:28,166 --> 00:44:29,959
through the papers.
1818
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,875
I was the public enemy
1819
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,875
number one
1820
00:44:31,917 --> 00:44:35,709
and they said stuff
1821
00:44:31,917 --> 00:44:35,709
that was totally untrue.
1822
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:38,500
Were there stories about him
1823
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:38,500
ordering hits on people
1824
00:44:38,542 --> 00:44:40,166
that weren't true
1825
00:44:38,542 --> 00:44:40,166
floating around?
1826
00:44:40,208 --> 00:44:41,709
Absolutely. I heard them.
1827
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:43,166
But they never
1828
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:43,166
prosecuted him for it.
1829
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:46,375
My grandfather who was
1830
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:46,375
a judge in Detroit
1831
00:44:46,417 --> 00:44:49,166
at the time of Mr. Wershe's case
1832
00:44:49,208 --> 00:44:52,166
had presided over his case
1833
00:44:49,208 --> 00:44:52,166
for a brief period of time.
1834
00:44:52,208 --> 00:44:54,917
[Dana] And he calls him,
1835
00:44:52,208 --> 00:44:54,917
"Worse than a mass murderer,"
1836
00:44:54,959 --> 00:44:57,125
and gave him
1837
00:44:54,959 --> 00:44:57,125
a one-million-dollar bond.
1838
00:44:57,166 --> 00:44:59,959
It was the highest bond
1839
00:44:57,166 --> 00:44:59,959
my grandfather had ever set
1840
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,250
for any defendant.
1841
00:45:01,291 --> 00:45:02,625
If you have so much evidence
1842
00:45:02,667 --> 00:45:05,000
that he's been involved
1843
00:45:02,667 --> 00:45:05,000
in a drug hit,
1844
00:45:05,041 --> 00:45:06,041
bring a case.
1845
00:45:07,417 --> 00:45:09,333
If not,
1846
00:45:07,417 --> 00:45:09,333
rumors don't count in court.
1847
00:45:09,375 --> 00:45:11,959
On May 23rd, 1987,
1848
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,208
Rick Wershe and a man
1849
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,208
named Roy Grissom
1850
00:45:14,250 --> 00:45:17,792
were arrested driving
1851
00:45:14,250 --> 00:45:17,792
down Hampshire near Dickerson.
1852
00:45:17,834 --> 00:45:19,291
[Ralph] It ended with his arrest
1853
00:45:19,333 --> 00:45:21,625
which is kind of
1854
00:45:19,333 --> 00:45:21,625
an interesting story
1855
00:45:21,667 --> 00:45:23,959
because it was probably a setup.
1856
00:45:24,917 --> 00:45:27,125
[Scott] Rick, at this point,
1857
00:45:24,917 --> 00:45:27,125
has hooked up
1858
00:45:27,166 --> 00:45:30,083
with two Colombian
1859
00:45:27,166 --> 00:45:30,083
wholesale cocaine dealers
1860
00:45:30,125 --> 00:45:31,917
in Miami.
1861
00:45:31,959 --> 00:45:36,291
They would send kilos up
1862
00:45:31,959 --> 00:45:36,291
to Detroit in trailers.
1863
00:45:36,333 --> 00:45:40,208
He got a shipment. I believe,
1864
00:45:36,333 --> 00:45:40,208
it was an 18-kilo shipment.
1865
00:45:40,250 --> 00:45:44,125
They drop off ten kilos
1866
00:45:40,250 --> 00:45:44,125
of cocaine to a customer
1867
00:45:44,166 --> 00:45:47,250
and they have a pile of cash
1868
00:45:44,166 --> 00:45:47,250
in the car.
1869
00:45:47,291 --> 00:45:49,667
And they passed a police car
1870
00:45:49,709 --> 00:45:52,875
that was just, um,
1871
00:45:49,709 --> 00:45:52,875
routine traffic duty.
1872
00:45:53,333 --> 00:45:55,792
And I believe he actually waved
1873
00:45:53,333 --> 00:45:55,792
at the police officer
1874
00:45:55,834 --> 00:45:56,792
because he knew him.
1875
00:45:58,959 --> 00:46:00,417
[Kevin] They're driving home.
1876
00:45:58,959 --> 00:46:00,417
They get pulled over.
1877
00:46:00,458 --> 00:46:01,542
Allegedly for going through
1878
00:46:00,458 --> 00:46:01,542
a stop sign.
1879
00:46:01,583 --> 00:46:03,500
[Scott] At this point,
1880
00:46:03,542 --> 00:46:05,250
there's a bunch of people
1881
00:46:03,542 --> 00:46:05,250
on the porch
1882
00:46:05,291 --> 00:46:07,166
including Rick's sister, Dawn.
1883
00:46:07,208 --> 00:46:09,583
And we watched it all unfold.
1884
00:46:09,625 --> 00:46:11,834
He said, "Okay, guys,
1885
00:46:09,625 --> 00:46:11,834
what's going on?"
1886
00:46:11,875 --> 00:46:13,375
And they said,
1887
00:46:11,875 --> 00:46:13,375
"You're under arrest."
1888
00:46:13,709 --> 00:46:15,291
And he said, "For what?"
1889
00:46:15,333 --> 00:46:17,041
And they said,
1890
00:46:15,333 --> 00:46:17,041
"Possession of drugs."
1891
00:46:17,083 --> 00:46:19,333
And he told them,
1892
00:46:17,083 --> 00:46:19,333
"I don't have any drugs."
1893
00:46:19,375 --> 00:46:20,417
And they said they were
1894
00:46:19,375 --> 00:46:20,417
in the car.
1895
00:46:20,458 --> 00:46:22,208
He said, "Search it."
1896
00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:26,166
One of the police officers
1897
00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:26,166
reaches into the back of the car
1898
00:46:26,208 --> 00:46:28,166
and pulls out a bag
1899
00:46:26,208 --> 00:46:28,166
with the cash.
1900
00:46:28,667 --> 00:46:32,083
So my dad ran out there
1901
00:46:28,667 --> 00:46:32,083
and grabbed the bag of money.
1902
00:46:32,125 --> 00:46:34,750
Officers say a tussle started.
1903
00:46:34,792 --> 00:46:38,875
A fight almost between Wershe,
1904
00:46:34,792 --> 00:46:38,875
Grissom, and the officers.
1905
00:46:38,917 --> 00:46:41,291
Investigators say
1906
00:46:38,917 --> 00:46:41,291
that Wershe took off running.
1907
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:44,333
[Scott] About 25 minutes,
1908
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:44,333
a half-hour later,
1909
00:46:44,375 --> 00:46:46,083
the police find him
1910
00:46:46,125 --> 00:46:47,750
and they roughed him up
1911
00:46:46,125 --> 00:46:47,750
pretty good.
1912
00:46:47,792 --> 00:46:49,583
To the point where he had
1913
00:46:47,792 --> 00:46:49,583
to go to the hospital.
1914
00:46:49,625 --> 00:46:51,375
So, the next three
1915
00:46:49,625 --> 00:46:51,375
or four hours,
1916
00:46:51,417 --> 00:46:52,583
the police are combing
1917
00:46:51,417 --> 00:46:52,583
the neighborhood
1918
00:46:52,625 --> 00:46:53,875
looking for drugs.
1919
00:46:53,917 --> 00:46:55,667
They got an anonymous tip.
1920
00:46:55,709 --> 00:46:57,250
[Chris] Later,
1921
00:46:55,709 --> 00:46:57,250
more police arrived
1922
00:46:57,291 --> 00:46:59,041
and eventually they found
1923
00:46:59,083 --> 00:47:00,917
a box containing
1924
00:46:59,083 --> 00:47:00,917
eight kilos of cocaine
1925
00:47:00,959 --> 00:47:02,208
under this back porch,
1926
00:47:00,959 --> 00:47:02,208
a block away
1927
00:47:02,250 --> 00:47:03,250
from the traffic stop.
1928
00:47:04,750 --> 00:47:09,542
[Wershe]
1929
00:47:04,750 --> 00:47:09,542
I was responsible for those
1930
00:47:04,750 --> 00:47:09,542
drugs. I had to pay the people
1931
00:47:04,750 --> 00:47:09,542
in Miami for those drugs.
1932
00:47:09,583 --> 00:47:11,250
[Kevin] Rick believes
1933
00:47:09,583 --> 00:47:11,250
that it was a setup.
1934
00:47:11,291 --> 00:47:12,250
That they were watching him
1935
00:47:14,375 --> 00:47:15,834
and they knew
1936
00:47:14,375 --> 00:47:15,834
he would have drugs or money.
1937
00:47:15,875 --> 00:47:17,458
And they say that when he
1938
00:47:15,875 --> 00:47:17,458
ran out of the car,
1939
00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:19,291
he hid the cocaine
1940
00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:19,291
underneath a porch
1941
00:47:19,333 --> 00:47:21,208
and continued to run away.
1942
00:47:21,250 --> 00:47:23,166
And he's charged
1943
00:47:21,250 --> 00:47:23,166
with that crime.
1944
00:47:23,208 --> 00:47:26,166
The attorney that was
1945
00:47:23,208 --> 00:47:26,166
representing him at the time
1946
00:47:26,208 --> 00:47:29,291
was an attorney
1947
00:47:26,208 --> 00:47:29,291
by the name of William Bufalino.
1948
00:47:29,333 --> 00:47:33,417
And he brought motions
1949
00:47:29,333 --> 00:47:33,417
to suppress the evidence.
1950
00:47:33,875 --> 00:47:35,542
[Ralph] Shortly thereafter,
1951
00:47:35,583 --> 00:47:38,125
Coleman Young's niece told Rick,
1952
00:47:38,166 --> 00:47:40,166
"Everything will be okay
1953
00:47:40,208 --> 00:47:41,917
but you need to get
1954
00:47:40,208 --> 00:47:41,917
different attorneys."
1955
00:47:41,959 --> 00:47:43,291
[Kevin] They decided
1956
00:47:41,959 --> 00:47:43,291
that they needed
1957
00:47:43,333 --> 00:47:45,291
an African-American attorney.
1958
00:47:45,333 --> 00:47:46,834
And that it would look better
1959
00:47:45,333 --> 00:47:46,834
to the jury.
1960
00:47:48,542 --> 00:47:50,417
[Ralph] "Hire Ed Bell
1961
00:47:48,542 --> 00:47:50,417
and Sam Gardner
1962
00:47:50,458 --> 00:47:52,667
and everything will be okay."
1963
00:47:52,709 --> 00:47:55,458
When they went forward,
1964
00:47:52,709 --> 00:47:55,458
they changed their strategy.
1965
00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:58,625
They, they decided
1966
00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:58,625
not to heavily pursue the idea
1967
00:47:58,667 --> 00:48:00,208
that these drugs
1968
00:47:58,667 --> 00:48:00,208
where not Rick's.
1969
00:48:00,250 --> 00:48:01,250
Fatal mistake.
1970
00:48:02,709 --> 00:48:06,709
[Wershe]
1971
00:48:02,709 --> 00:48:06,709
Sam Gardner was Coleman Young's
1972
00:48:02,709 --> 00:48:06,709
lawyer at the time, and-
1973
00:48:06,750 --> 00:48:08,750
the only reason they were
1974
00:48:06,750 --> 00:48:08,750
brought in-
1975
00:48:08,792 --> 00:48:09,875
was to watch me.
1976
00:48:09,917 --> 00:48:11,583
It wasn't to help me.
1977
00:48:11,625 --> 00:48:14,333
Basically, every time I went
1978
00:48:11,625 --> 00:48:14,333
to see him, he just told me,
1979
00:48:14,375 --> 00:48:17,333
"I had nothing to worry about.
1980
00:48:14,375 --> 00:48:17,333
Things were looking good."
1981
00:48:17,875 --> 00:48:20,333
I was told at one time
1982
00:48:17,875 --> 00:48:20,333
that I wouldn't go to trial.
1983
00:48:20,375 --> 00:48:22,583
He didn't think
1984
00:48:20,375 --> 00:48:22,583
that we would go to trial.
1985
00:48:22,625 --> 00:48:24,291
Before they went to trial,
1986
00:48:24,333 --> 00:48:26,250
his trial attorneys agreed
1987
00:48:26,291 --> 00:48:29,458
to withdraw all
1988
00:48:26,291 --> 00:48:29,458
the pretrial motions.
1989
00:48:30,125 --> 00:48:33,166
[Ralph] They agreed not to admit
1990
00:48:30,125 --> 00:48:33,166
any evidence
1991
00:48:33,208 --> 00:48:34,625
in front of the jury
1992
00:48:34,667 --> 00:48:36,709
that he had been working
1993
00:48:34,667 --> 00:48:36,709
for the government
1994
00:48:36,750 --> 00:48:37,917
since he was 14.
1995
00:48:39,291 --> 00:48:40,333
So, the jury never heard that.
1996
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,917
[Wershe]
1997
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,917
Basically I think the fix was
1998
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,917
in-
1999
00:48:43,959 --> 00:48:46,792
and Coleman didn't want me on
2000
00:48:43,959 --> 00:48:46,792
the streets anymore.
2001
00:48:46,834 --> 00:48:48,917
So them being my attorneys-
2002
00:48:48,959 --> 00:48:50,917
I think they tanked the case.
2003
00:48:50,959 --> 00:48:52,667
[Steve] I think it was
2004
00:48:50,959 --> 00:48:52,667
like a whirlwind
2005
00:48:52,709 --> 00:48:53,959
that just kind of swept them up.
2006
00:48:56,333 --> 00:48:58,291
'Cause the phone conversation
2007
00:48:56,333 --> 00:48:58,291
I remember having with him,
2008
00:48:58,333 --> 00:49:00,000
he was kind of baffled
2009
00:48:58,333 --> 00:49:00,000
by his notoriety.
2010
00:49:00,041 --> 00:49:01,291
And then that time
2011
00:49:00,041 --> 00:49:01,291
when I saw him,
2012
00:49:01,333 --> 00:49:02,625
you know,
2013
00:49:01,333 --> 00:49:02,625
he's waiting on his jury
2014
00:49:02,667 --> 00:49:04,417
and all these assholes
2015
00:49:02,667 --> 00:49:04,417
are around him.
2016
00:49:04,458 --> 00:49:06,166
All of them wanted him
2017
00:49:04,458 --> 00:49:06,166
to be convicted
2018
00:49:06,208 --> 00:49:07,542
I'm sure, that's why
2019
00:49:06,208 --> 00:49:07,542
they showed up.
2020
00:49:07,583 --> 00:49:09,875
{\an8}Rick took the nickname
2021
00:49:07,583 --> 00:49:09,875
{\an8}and ran with it.
2022
00:49:09,917 --> 00:49:12,500
{\an8}I mean, he didn't have
2023
00:49:09,917 --> 00:49:12,500
{\an8}to wear the fur coats.
2024
00:49:12,542 --> 00:49:14,125
{\an8}He didn't have
2025
00:49:12,542 --> 00:49:14,125
{\an8}to show up to trial
2026
00:49:14,166 --> 00:49:16,000
{\an8}with a whole crew of little kids
2027
00:49:16,041 --> 00:49:18,291
{\an8}wearing beepers and gold chains.
2028
00:49:18,333 --> 00:49:21,208
{\an8}He came to court
2029
00:49:18,333 --> 00:49:21,208
{\an8}like a drug dealer.
2030
00:49:21,250 --> 00:49:23,458
{\an8}I said, "Rick, if those jurors
2031
00:49:21,250 --> 00:49:23,458
{\an8}see all these little crooks
2032
00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:24,875
{\an8}running around with you,
2033
00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:24,875
{\an8}you're dead."
2034
00:49:24,917 --> 00:49:26,875
{\an8}We was told
2035
00:49:24,917 --> 00:49:26,875
{\an8}to show up down there
2036
00:49:26,917 --> 00:49:29,375
{\an8}with our expensive cars,
2037
00:49:26,917 --> 00:49:29,375
{\an8}jewelry,
2038
00:49:29,417 --> 00:49:31,583
{\an8}and just get in front
2039
00:49:29,417 --> 00:49:31,583
{\an8}of the news.
2040
00:49:31,625 --> 00:49:34,458
{\an8}[Nate] These all his workers.
2041
00:49:31,625 --> 00:49:34,458
{\an8}Kingpin is on trial.
2042
00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:36,583
{\an8}Drug lord is on trial.
2043
00:49:36,625 --> 00:49:39,291
{\an8}And his friends down here
2044
00:49:36,625 --> 00:49:39,291
{\an8}trying to free him.
2045
00:49:39,333 --> 00:49:41,750
{\an8}Of course, it hurt him. There's
2046
00:49:39,333 --> 00:49:41,750
{\an8}no doubt about it, it hurt him.
2047
00:49:41,792 --> 00:49:44,500
{\an8}Same police officers
2048
00:49:41,792 --> 00:49:44,500
{\an8}paid us to do that.
2049
00:49:45,458 --> 00:49:46,750
{\an8}[Nate] Ain't nobody ever
2050
00:49:46,792 --> 00:49:48,750
{\an8}heard of him being no drug lord
2051
00:49:48,792 --> 00:49:50,792
{\an8}until they print that shit
2052
00:49:48,792 --> 00:49:50,792
{\an8}in the paper.
2053
00:49:50,834 --> 00:49:53,583
{\an8}Where the hell
2054
00:49:50,834 --> 00:49:53,583
{\an8}was he a kingpin of?
2055
00:49:53,625 --> 00:49:55,041
{\an8}Us blacks?
2056
00:49:55,083 --> 00:49:56,542
{\an8}Oh, hell no.
2057
00:49:56,583 --> 00:49:58,625
{\an8}We made it seem like that,
2058
00:49:56,583 --> 00:49:58,625
{\an8}but he wasn't.
2059
00:49:58,959 --> 00:50:02,125
{\an8}They had this newspaper article
2060
00:49:58,959 --> 00:50:02,125
{\an8}where they actually listed him
2061
00:50:02,166 --> 00:50:04,083
{\an8}as the leader
2062
00:50:02,166 --> 00:50:04,083
{\an8}of the Best Friends gang.
2063
00:50:04,125 --> 00:50:06,000
{\an8}Which is crazy, you know.
2064
00:50:06,041 --> 00:50:07,083
{\an8}Best Friends were like
2065
00:50:06,041 --> 00:50:07,083
{\an8}this hit gang
2066
00:50:07,125 --> 00:50:08,458
that had over a hundred murders.
2067
00:50:08,500 --> 00:50:10,458
It's just incredible and crazy.
2068
00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:12,583
[Joe] We had to rely
2069
00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:12,583
on law enforcement.
2070
00:50:12,625 --> 00:50:14,542
We saw the documents.
2071
00:50:12,625 --> 00:50:14,542
We saw them firsthand.
2072
00:50:15,166 --> 00:50:18,375
They were shared with us
2073
00:50:15,166 --> 00:50:18,375
and we did our best to vet them.
2074
00:50:18,625 --> 00:50:20,625
But we were certainly
2075
00:50:18,625 --> 00:50:20,625
not making stuff up
2076
00:50:20,667 --> 00:50:22,250
or fabricating.
2077
00:50:22,291 --> 00:50:24,417
There was enough going on
2078
00:50:22,291 --> 00:50:24,417
to keep us all busy
2079
00:50:24,458 --> 00:50:25,875
with crazy-enough stories.
2080
00:50:27,792 --> 00:50:29,500
You had characters
2081
00:50:27,792 --> 00:50:29,500
like Maserati Rick
2082
00:50:29,542 --> 00:50:31,083
who survived
2083
00:50:29,542 --> 00:50:31,083
an assassination attempt
2084
00:50:31,125 --> 00:50:33,667
and then was murdered
2085
00:50:31,125 --> 00:50:33,667
in his hospital bed.
2086
00:50:33,709 --> 00:50:35,625
And in the nightstand
2087
00:50:33,709 --> 00:50:35,625
was a pistol
2088
00:50:35,667 --> 00:50:37,709
and a crucifix
2089
00:50:35,667 --> 00:50:37,709
and, uh, rosary beads.
2090
00:50:38,125 --> 00:50:40,792
He was buried in
2091
00:50:38,125 --> 00:50:40,792
a Mercedes-Benz coffin.
2092
00:50:40,834 --> 00:50:42,500
So you didn't have
2093
00:50:40,834 --> 00:50:42,500
to make stuff up.
2094
00:50:43,041 --> 00:50:45,417
But that's how the cops
2095
00:50:43,041 --> 00:50:45,417
had it set up.
2096
00:50:46,208 --> 00:50:49,291
And that's how they listed him
2097
00:50:46,208 --> 00:50:49,291
and that's how we reported it.
2098
00:50:49,333 --> 00:50:51,583
And that's how we sourced it
2099
00:50:49,333 --> 00:50:51,583
in the story
2100
00:50:51,625 --> 00:50:53,583
and the graphic illustrations,
2101
00:50:53,625 --> 00:50:55,667
that this was based
2102
00:50:53,625 --> 00:50:55,667
on law enforcement documents
2103
00:50:55,709 --> 00:50:56,750
and sources.
2104
00:50:56,792 --> 00:50:58,709
It was a political move.
2105
00:50:58,750 --> 00:51:01,125
[Nate] That's why they
2106
00:50:58,750 --> 00:51:01,125
could put him away forever.
2107
00:51:01,709 --> 00:51:08,250
[Wershe]
2108
00:51:01,709 --> 00:51:08,250
Nate was showing up down there-
2109
00:51:01,709 --> 00:51:08,250
which we saw Nate there- to try
2110
00:51:01,709 --> 00:51:08,250
and do some harm to me.
2111
00:51:08,291 --> 00:51:10,333
[Nate] I was trying to shoot him
2112
00:51:08,291 --> 00:51:10,333
out at the courthouse.
2113
00:51:10,375 --> 00:51:12,500
We had the van
2114
00:51:10,375 --> 00:51:12,500
already parked up on Gratiot.
2115
00:51:13,125 --> 00:51:15,959
I already had the scope
2116
00:51:13,125 --> 00:51:15,959
and everything scoped in,
2117
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,458
but, at that point,
2118
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,458
they walked him underneath
2119
00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:21,333
into the courthouse.
2120
00:51:21,375 --> 00:51:22,875
"What do you mean
2121
00:51:21,375 --> 00:51:22,875
he in the courtroom?"
2122
00:51:22,917 --> 00:51:24,709
They said, "Yeah,
2123
00:51:22,917 --> 00:51:24,709
he in the courtroom."
2124
00:51:24,750 --> 00:51:27,083
[Wershe]
2125
00:51:24,750 --> 00:51:27,083
Of course we were a little more
2126
00:51:24,750 --> 00:51:27,083
careful and-
2127
00:51:27,125 --> 00:51:30,792
when we left the
2128
00:51:27,125 --> 00:51:30,792
courthouse, or where we parked
2129
00:51:27,125 --> 00:51:30,792
the car, or whatever.
2130
00:51:30,834 --> 00:51:33,583
He wasn't
2131
00:51:30,834 --> 00:51:33,583
there to wish me well at trial.
2132
00:51:33,625 --> 00:51:35,542
And he was convicted
2133
00:51:35,583 --> 00:51:37,542
and, after that, it was easy.
2134
00:51:38,291 --> 00:51:40,250
[Ralph] You're going to jail.
2135
00:51:40,291 --> 00:51:41,458
You're never gonna see
2136
00:51:40,291 --> 00:51:41,458
the light of day.
2137
00:51:41,500 --> 00:51:43,458
[foreboding music]
2138
00:51:47,375 --> 00:51:50,166
[Herm] This operation
2139
00:51:47,375 --> 00:51:50,166
was called Operation Backbone.
2140
00:51:50,208 --> 00:51:51,583
The reason I named it Backbone,
2141
00:51:52,083 --> 00:51:53,208
I figured you need some backbone
2142
00:51:53,250 --> 00:51:55,250
to work this case, you know.
2143
00:51:55,291 --> 00:51:56,458
At that time,
2144
00:51:55,291 --> 00:51:56,458
it was the most significant
2145
00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:58,208
police corruption investigation
2146
00:51:58,250 --> 00:51:59,667
in the state of Michigan.
2147
00:51:59,709 --> 00:52:01,041
{\an8}The objective was
2148
00:52:01,083 --> 00:52:03,000
{\an8}I knew through
2149
00:52:01,083 --> 00:52:03,000
{\an8}the Curry investigation
2150
00:52:03,041 --> 00:52:05,750
{\an8}and the Damion Lucas homicide
2151
00:52:05,792 --> 00:52:08,625
{\an8}that that investigation
2152
00:52:05,792 --> 00:52:08,625
{\an8}was partly compromised.
2153
00:52:08,667 --> 00:52:10,250
{\an8}And I knew that there were
2154
00:52:08,667 --> 00:52:10,250
{\an8}corrupt police officers
2155
00:52:10,291 --> 00:52:11,333
{\an8}involved in this thing.
2156
00:52:11,375 --> 00:52:12,709
{\an8}So, that was the objective,
2157
00:52:12,750 --> 00:52:13,875
{\an8}to get these corrupt cops.
2158
00:52:15,583 --> 00:52:16,875
{\an8}[Ralph] And he called
2159
00:52:15,583 --> 00:52:16,875
{\an8}out of the blue
2160
00:52:16,917 --> 00:52:18,750
{\an8}and I said,
2161
00:52:16,917 --> 00:52:18,750
{\an8}"What's going on, Rick?"
2162
00:52:18,792 --> 00:52:23,792
{\an8}He said, "Well, the FBI is here
2163
00:52:18,792 --> 00:52:23,792
{\an8}and they want me to help them.
2164
00:52:23,834 --> 00:52:25,583
{\an8}They have said
2165
00:52:23,834 --> 00:52:25,583
{\an8}that they will help me
2166
00:52:25,625 --> 00:52:27,250
{\an8}if I help them."
2167
00:52:27,291 --> 00:52:29,583
{\an8}"But if you cooperate
2168
00:52:27,291 --> 00:52:29,583
{\an8}on this undercover project
2169
00:52:29,625 --> 00:52:31,083
{\an8}and everything works fine,
2170
00:52:31,125 --> 00:52:32,625
{\an8}the best I can do is,
2171
00:52:32,667 --> 00:52:34,834
{\an8}maybe, take you out
2172
00:52:32,667 --> 00:52:34,834
{\an8}of the state custody
2173
00:52:34,875 --> 00:52:37,291
{\an8}and put you in the Federal
2174
00:52:34,875 --> 00:52:37,291
{\an8}Witness Protection Program
2175
00:52:37,333 --> 00:52:39,959
{\an8}in a federal facility
2176
00:52:37,333 --> 00:52:39,959
{\an8}with other informants.
2177
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,834
{\an8}And it might just be
2178
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,834
{\an8}a better situation.
2179
00:52:41,875 --> 00:52:45,166
{\an8}And if you ever
2180
00:52:41,875 --> 00:52:45,166
{\an8}become eligible for parole,
2181
00:52:45,208 --> 00:52:46,834
{\an8}I'll come back
2182
00:52:45,208 --> 00:52:46,834
{\an8}and testify for you.
2183
00:52:46,875 --> 00:52:48,291
{\an8}I'll tell them what you did."
2184
00:52:48,333 --> 00:52:49,917
{\an8}He said, "You know what?"
2185
00:52:49,959 --> 00:52:52,834
{\an8}We shook hands and that
2186
00:52:49,959 --> 00:52:52,834
{\an8}was the agreement we made.
2187
00:52:52,875 --> 00:52:55,917
{\an8}And the Feds, during that time,
2188
00:52:52,875 --> 00:52:55,917
{\an8}were chasing Coleman Young hard.
2189
00:52:55,959 --> 00:52:58,166
{\an8}They wanted to bring down
2190
00:52:55,959 --> 00:52:58,166
{\an8}the mayor of Detroit.
2191
00:52:58,208 --> 00:53:02,166
{\an8}[Wershe]
2192
00:52:58,208 --> 00:53:02,166
{\an8}The FBI wanted to use my
2193
00:52:58,208 --> 00:53:02,166
{\an8}relationship with Cathy-
2194
00:53:02,208 --> 00:53:03,750
{\an8}to target the mayor-
2195
00:53:03,792 --> 00:53:07,000
{\an8}as well as police corruption
2196
00:53:03,792 --> 00:53:07,000
{\an8}within the city of Detroit.
2197
00:53:07,041 --> 00:53:08,834
{\an8}They were targetting Willie
2198
00:53:07,041 --> 00:53:08,834
{\an8}Volson.
2199
00:53:08,875 --> 00:53:11,375
{\an8}He was married to the mayor's
2200
00:53:08,875 --> 00:53:11,375
{\an8}sister.
2201
00:53:11,417 --> 00:53:13,542
{\an8}He was Cathy's father of course
2202
00:53:11,417 --> 00:53:13,542
{\an8}and-
2203
00:53:13,583 --> 00:53:15,667
{\an8}everyone knew that Willie had
2204
00:53:13,583 --> 00:53:15,667
{\an8}pull-
2205
00:53:15,709 --> 00:53:17,959
{\an8}throughout the city of Detroit.
2206
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,083
{\an8}The other target of operation
2207
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,083
{\an8}was Jimmy Harris.
2208
00:53:21,125 --> 00:53:24,458
{\an8}He was a high ranking Detroit
2209
00:53:21,125 --> 00:53:24,458
{\an8}police official.
2210
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:27,041
{\an8}He did whatever mayor Young told
2211
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:27,041
{\an8}him to do.
2212
00:53:27,083 --> 00:53:30,875
{\an8}He covered up the thinks that
2213
00:53:27,083 --> 00:53:30,875
{\an8}the mayor's family did.
2214
00:53:30,917 --> 00:53:32,792
{\an8}To my knowledge, for the right
2215
00:53:30,917 --> 00:53:32,792
{\an8}price-
2216
00:53:32,834 --> 00:53:35,125
{\an8}they were willing to protect
2217
00:53:32,834 --> 00:53:35,125
{\an8}drug shipments-
2218
00:53:35,166 --> 00:53:37,000
{\an8}from anywhere, I mean-
2219
00:53:37,041 --> 00:53:40,208
{\an8}if it was in the city of Detroit
2220
00:53:37,041 --> 00:53:40,208
{\an8}and they could make a buck off
2221
00:53:37,041 --> 00:53:40,208
{\an8}of it-
2222
00:53:40,250 --> 00:53:42,875
{\an8}they were willing to provide
2223
00:53:40,250 --> 00:53:42,875
{\an8}that police protection.
2224
00:53:42,917 --> 00:53:45,750
{\an8}[Herm] So, I got
2225
00:53:42,917 --> 00:53:45,750
{\an8}Rick Wershe's sister, Dawn,
2226
00:53:45,792 --> 00:53:47,375
{\an8}to cooperate with me as well.
2227
00:53:47,417 --> 00:53:49,375
{\an8}And she had a relationship
2228
00:53:47,417 --> 00:53:49,375
{\an8}with Cathy.
2229
00:53:49,417 --> 00:53:52,500
{\an8}I had an agent
2230
00:53:49,417 --> 00:53:52,500
{\an8}by the name of Mike Castro
2231
00:53:52,542 --> 00:53:54,542
{\an8}who had served extensively
2232
00:53:52,542 --> 00:53:54,542
{\an8}in the Caribbean
2233
00:53:54,583 --> 00:53:56,500
{\an8}and knew the Caribbean
2234
00:53:54,583 --> 00:53:56,500
{\an8}pretty well.
2235
00:53:56,542 --> 00:54:00,000
[Wershe]
2236
00:53:56,542 --> 00:54:00,000
I introduced Mike Castro- who
2237
00:53:56,542 --> 00:54:00,000
was the undercover FBI agent-
2238
00:54:00,041 --> 00:54:04,792
to Cathy. He posed as my
2239
00:54:00,041 --> 00:54:04,792
supplier from Miami.
2240
00:54:04,834 --> 00:54:08,583
And me knowing Cathy and her
2241
00:54:04,834 --> 00:54:08,583
family- how greedy they were-
2242
00:54:08,625 --> 00:54:11,125
I knew Cathy would cut into
2243
00:54:08,625 --> 00:54:11,125
him-
2244
00:54:11,166 --> 00:54:12,500
and that's exactly what
2245
00:54:11,166 --> 00:54:12,500
happened.
2246
00:54:12,542 --> 00:54:15,417
[Herm] We arranged a dinner
2247
00:54:12,542 --> 00:54:15,417
with Wershe's sister,
2248
00:54:15,458 --> 00:54:18,041
Cathy Volsan-Curry,
2249
00:54:15,458 --> 00:54:18,041
and Mike Castro.
2250
00:54:18,083 --> 00:54:20,750
Which I attended,
2251
00:54:18,083 --> 00:54:20,750
but I was off to the side
2252
00:54:20,792 --> 00:54:22,125
and it was recorded.
2253
00:54:22,166 --> 00:54:24,291
So, during that conversation,
2254
00:54:24,333 --> 00:54:27,458
uh, Cathy was just enamored
2255
00:54:27,500 --> 00:54:29,500
with the prospect
2256
00:54:27,500 --> 00:54:29,500
of getting back
2257
00:54:29,542 --> 00:54:31,709
into the cocaine business
2258
00:54:29,542 --> 00:54:31,709
and so forth.
2259
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:33,458
Uh, her eyes lit up.
2260
00:54:33,500 --> 00:54:36,625
And at that point, she offered
2261
00:54:33,500 --> 00:54:36,625
her police assistance.
2262
00:54:37,166 --> 00:54:39,959
[FBI Agent]
2263
00:54:37,166 --> 00:54:39,959
So basically we're businessmen-
2264
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:40,917
we're in the drug business.
2265
00:54:40,959 --> 00:54:42,500
[Herm] We invited Willie Volsan
2266
00:54:42,542 --> 00:54:44,625
and James Harris
2267
00:54:42,542 --> 00:54:44,625
down to Florida.
2268
00:54:44,667 --> 00:54:46,625
Had an undercover yacht.
2269
00:54:46,667 --> 00:54:47,750
[Herm] Sat down there,
2270
00:54:46,667 --> 00:54:47,750
and on videotape,
2271
00:54:47,792 --> 00:54:49,458
and negotiated the deal.
2272
00:54:51,041 --> 00:54:51,875
[FBI Agent] We'd like to-
2273
00:54:51,917 --> 00:54:53,792
fly something in.
2274
00:54:53,834 --> 00:54:55,875
We're going to look like
2275
00:54:53,834 --> 00:54:55,875
businessmen delivering packages.
2276
00:54:53,834 --> 00:54:55,875
[James] Okay.
2277
00:54:55,917 --> 00:54:58,667
- Only us and you will know it's
2278
00:54:55,917 --> 00:54:58,667
drugs.
2279
00:54:58,709 --> 00:54:59,917
No one else is going to know
2280
00:54:58,709 --> 00:54:59,917
anything.
2281
00:54:59,959 --> 00:55:01,083
[Harris]
2282
00:54:59,959 --> 00:55:01,083
Okay.
2283
00:55:01,125 --> 00:55:02,291
[FBI Agent]
2284
00:55:01,125 --> 00:55:02,291
We're going to probably-
2285
00:55:02,333 --> 00:55:05,250
ship up in the plane around 100
2286
00:55:02,333 --> 00:55:05,250
keys.
2287
00:55:05,291 --> 00:55:06,750
- You provide protection-
2288
00:55:06,792 --> 00:55:08,667
and protection from the police.
2289
00:55:08,709 --> 00:55:10,125
Think you can handle that?
2290
00:55:10,166 --> 00:55:11,500
[Harris]
2291
00:55:10,166 --> 00:55:11,500
What you're talking about is no
2292
00:55:10,166 --> 00:55:11,500
problem.
2293
00:55:11,542 --> 00:55:13,417
[FBI Agent]
2294
00:55:11,542 --> 00:55:13,417
Right.
2295
00:55:13,458 --> 00:55:14,959
[Harris]
2296
00:55:13,458 --> 00:55:14,959
I've got three Detroit police
2297
00:55:13,458 --> 00:55:14,959
officers myself- it's cool.
2298
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,166
[FBI Agent]
2299
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,166
Okay.
2300
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,166
[FBI Agent]
2301
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,166
Alright.
2302
00:55:16,208 --> 00:55:17,208
[Harris]
2303
00:55:16,208 --> 00:55:17,208
These people have been with me.
2304
00:55:17,250 --> 00:55:18,583
[FBI Agent]
2305
00:55:17,250 --> 00:55:18,583
You can trust them.
2306
00:55:18,625 --> 00:55:20,834
We'll have out equipment, our
2307
00:55:18,625 --> 00:55:20,834
van or whatever-
2308
00:55:20,875 --> 00:55:22,834
load it up.
2309
00:55:22,875 --> 00:55:25,291
Just like the money laundering
2310
00:55:22,875 --> 00:55:25,291
operation- you escort us away
2311
00:55:22,875 --> 00:55:25,291
from the airport-
2312
00:55:25,333 --> 00:55:26,417
out on the highway and-
2313
00:55:26,458 --> 00:55:27,792
sayonara!
2314
00:55:27,834 --> 00:55:30,291
- For a successful mission and
2315
00:55:27,834 --> 00:55:30,291
a-
2316
00:55:30,333 --> 00:55:32,083
a good escape and all of that-
2317
00:55:32,125 --> 00:55:33,709
40-50 grand?
2318
00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:35,250
So do we got a deal?
2319
00:55:35,291 --> 00:55:37,250
[Volson & Harris]
2320
00:55:35,291 --> 00:55:37,250
Yep.
2321
00:55:35,291 --> 00:55:37,250
[James]
2322
00:55:35,291 --> 00:55:37,250
We go. We go.
2323
00:55:37,291 --> 00:55:39,125
[FBI Agent]
2324
00:55:37,291 --> 00:55:39,125
Partners in crime brother!
2325
00:55:37,291 --> 00:55:39,125
- Here we go.
2326
00:55:39,166 --> 00:55:40,166
[Chris] Willie and Cathy
2327
00:55:42,333 --> 00:55:44,417
along with Detroit Police
2328
00:55:42,333 --> 00:55:44,417
Sergeant Jimmy Harris
2329
00:55:44,458 --> 00:55:46,458
were charged last month
2330
00:55:44,458 --> 00:55:46,458
in an FBI corruption case
2331
00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:48,125
alleging that police officers
2332
00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:48,125
took payoffs
2333
00:55:48,166 --> 00:55:50,083
to protect drug
2334
00:55:48,166 --> 00:55:50,083
and drug money shipments
2335
00:55:50,125 --> 00:55:51,583
coming into the city
2336
00:55:50,125 --> 00:55:51,583
in Metro Airport.
2337
00:55:52,625 --> 00:55:56,959
[Wershe]
2338
00:55:52,625 --> 00:55:56,959
Any other mayor would have been
2339
00:55:52,625 --> 00:55:56,959
glad to have corruption out of
2340
00:55:52,625 --> 00:55:56,959
their police department.
2341
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,000
Unless your brother-in-law is
2342
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,000
the head of the corruption.
2343
00:56:00,041 --> 00:56:02,875
And then this guy goes on to
2344
00:56:00,041 --> 00:56:02,875
call me a stool pigeon.
2345
00:56:02,917 --> 00:56:05,083
That's like an old gangster term
2346
00:56:02,917 --> 00:56:05,083
for a rat.
2347
00:56:05,125 --> 00:56:06,583
Did that put your life
2348
00:56:05,125 --> 00:56:06,583
in danger,
2349
00:56:06,625 --> 00:56:08,625
having Coleman Young
2350
00:56:06,625 --> 00:56:08,625
call you a stool pigeon?
2351
00:56:08,667 --> 00:56:10,792
[Wershe]
2352
00:56:08,667 --> 00:56:10,792
Oh, there's no doubt about it.
2353
00:56:10,834 --> 00:56:12,458
[Herm] Eighteen
2354
00:56:12,500 --> 00:56:14,000
corrupt police officers
2355
00:56:12,500 --> 00:56:14,000
and politicians,
2356
00:56:14,041 --> 00:56:16,000
as a result
2357
00:56:14,041 --> 00:56:16,000
of Wershe's direct involvement
2358
00:56:16,041 --> 00:56:17,917
in this thing, went to prison.
2359
00:56:17,959 --> 00:56:19,792
[Herm] And without
2360
00:56:17,959 --> 00:56:19,792
White Boy Rick
2361
00:56:19,834 --> 00:56:21,458
or Richard Wershe, Jr.
2362
00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:23,542
it's I think he'd prefer
2363
00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:23,542
to be called at this point,
2364
00:56:23,583 --> 00:56:25,125
that never would have happened.
2365
00:56:25,166 --> 00:56:26,875
And they haven't even
2366
00:56:25,166 --> 00:56:26,875
scratched the surface.
2367
00:56:27,375 --> 00:56:29,667
The corruption runs so deep
2368
00:56:27,375 --> 00:56:29,667
in there it's...
2369
00:56:30,208 --> 00:56:31,792
[Wershe] It's insane, man.
2370
00:56:31,834 --> 00:56:33,959
[Chris]
2371
00:56:31,834 --> 00:56:33,959
During the FBI investigation,
2372
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,375
Hill met with Harris,
2373
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,375
a longtime friend, Volsan,
2374
00:56:36,417 --> 00:56:39,083
and the undercover agent
2375
00:56:36,417 --> 00:56:39,083
posing as the drug dealer.
2376
00:56:39,125 --> 00:56:41,000
[Herm] Willie would, uh,
2377
00:56:39,125 --> 00:56:41,000
constantly brag
2378
00:56:41,041 --> 00:56:43,583
about his relationship
2379
00:56:41,041 --> 00:56:43,583
with Gil Hill.
2380
00:56:44,166 --> 00:56:45,917
[Herm] And so, toward
2381
00:56:44,166 --> 00:56:45,917
the end of the operation,
2382
00:56:45,959 --> 00:56:48,000
we wanted to see
2383
00:56:48,041 --> 00:56:50,041
if he'd actually set up
2384
00:56:48,041 --> 00:56:50,041
an introduction to Gil Hill,
2385
00:56:50,083 --> 00:56:51,125
and he did.
2386
00:56:51,166 --> 00:56:53,166
We got a wiretap authority
2387
00:56:53,208 --> 00:56:56,709
to install wiretaps
2388
00:56:53,208 --> 00:56:56,709
inside of Willie Volsan's car.
2389
00:56:56,750 --> 00:56:59,834
[Herm] And we arranged it
2390
00:56:56,750 --> 00:56:59,834
for both undercover agents
2391
00:56:59,875 --> 00:57:02,834
to meet with Gil Hill
2392
00:56:59,875 --> 00:57:02,834
and Willie Volsan,
2393
00:57:02,875 --> 00:57:03,917
and that happened.
2394
00:57:04,583 --> 00:57:06,917
During that conversation,
2395
00:57:06,959 --> 00:57:09,333
Mike Castro let it be known
2396
00:57:06,959 --> 00:57:09,333
that he was a money launderer
2397
00:57:09,375 --> 00:57:10,834
and they were drug dealers.
2398
00:57:10,875 --> 00:57:12,083
Uh, that plainly.
2399
00:57:12,583 --> 00:57:14,333
[Herm] It was my thought
2400
00:57:14,375 --> 00:57:16,291
that, uh, if Gil Hill
2401
00:57:14,375 --> 00:57:16,291
wanted to get up
2402
00:57:16,333 --> 00:57:18,208
and run out of that meeting,
2403
00:57:16,333 --> 00:57:18,208
so be it.
2404
00:57:18,250 --> 00:57:20,166
He's an innocent guy.
2405
00:57:18,250 --> 00:57:20,166
But if he stayed,
2406
00:57:21,125 --> 00:57:22,417
that meant something else.
2407
00:57:22,458 --> 00:57:24,208
And not only did he stay,
2408
00:57:24,250 --> 00:57:26,542
but he had a conversation
2409
00:57:24,250 --> 00:57:26,542
which was taped.
2410
00:57:26,583 --> 00:57:28,291
And in that conversation,
2411
00:57:28,333 --> 00:57:31,208
Gil Hill said he wanted
2412
00:57:28,333 --> 00:57:31,208
to get money
2413
00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:32,500
from Mike Castro.
2414
00:57:34,041 --> 00:57:35,875
I got authorization
2415
00:57:34,041 --> 00:57:35,875
to pay him the money,
2416
00:57:35,917 --> 00:57:36,875
$20,000.00.
2417
00:57:38,375 --> 00:57:39,333
The thing languished,
2418
00:57:38,375 --> 00:57:39,333
and it languished,
2419
00:57:39,375 --> 00:57:40,333
and it languished
2420
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,417
before the bureaucrats
2421
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,417
could make up their mind.
2422
00:57:43,458 --> 00:57:44,458
When they finally
2423
00:57:43,458 --> 00:57:44,458
made up their mind,
2424
00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:46,083
uh, the trail had cooled.
2425
00:57:46,125 --> 00:57:48,125
[Herm]
2426
00:57:46,125 --> 00:57:48,125
I think Gil, at that point,
2427
00:57:48,166 --> 00:57:50,291
uh, being a smart guy,
2428
00:57:48,166 --> 00:57:50,291
he smelled a rat
2429
00:57:50,333 --> 00:57:51,875
and, and didn't take the bait,
2430
00:57:51,917 --> 00:57:53,250
so we lost an opportunity.
2431
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,917
[Chris] But Hill refused
2432
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,917
to get involved.
2433
00:57:56,959 --> 00:57:59,000
He says the entire probe
2434
00:57:56,959 --> 00:57:59,000
smacks of entrapment.
2435
00:57:59,041 --> 00:58:00,917
[Chris] It seems
2436
00:57:59,041 --> 00:58:00,917
like this upset you.
2437
00:58:00,959 --> 00:58:01,792
Tremendously.
2438
00:58:03,250 --> 00:58:05,250
Now, is he
2439
00:58:03,250 --> 00:58:05,250
this major criminal mastermind?
2440
00:58:05,291 --> 00:58:06,875
I don't think so.
2441
00:58:06,917 --> 00:58:08,917
Was he a guy who played fast
2442
00:58:06,917 --> 00:58:08,917
and loose, and...
2443
00:58:09,959 --> 00:58:10,959
Perhaps.
2444
00:58:11,709 --> 00:58:13,583
And maybe have crossed
2445
00:58:11,709 --> 00:58:13,583
the line a couple of times.
2446
00:58:13,625 --> 00:58:15,125
But try as they might,
2447
00:58:15,166 --> 00:58:17,250
and I know the Feds
2448
00:58:15,166 --> 00:58:17,250
who were chasing him,
2449
00:58:17,291 --> 00:58:18,750
trying their damndest.
2450
00:58:18,792 --> 00:58:21,250
These were solid
2451
00:58:18,792 --> 00:58:21,250
hardworking guys after him.
2452
00:58:21,291 --> 00:58:23,166
They were not dogging it.
2453
00:58:23,208 --> 00:58:25,375
If they could have caught him,
2454
00:58:23,208 --> 00:58:25,375
they would have. They didn't.
2455
00:58:25,417 --> 00:58:27,542
[Kevin] Reporters
2456
00:58:25,417 --> 00:58:27,542
were chasing Gil Hill
2457
00:58:27,583 --> 00:58:29,208
down the street,
2458
00:58:29,250 --> 00:58:32,125
asking him if he was involved
2459
00:58:29,250 --> 00:58:32,125
in taking bribes.
2460
00:58:32,166 --> 00:58:34,250
[Kevin] And that's very damaging
2461
00:58:34,291 --> 00:58:36,166
if you wanna be the next mayor
2462
00:58:34,291 --> 00:58:36,166
of the city of Detroit.
2463
00:58:36,208 --> 00:58:39,041
[Scott] Gil Hill ran for mayor
2464
00:58:36,208 --> 00:58:39,041
and lost,
2465
00:58:39,083 --> 00:58:41,291
but Gil Hill blames Rick
2466
00:58:41,333 --> 00:58:43,000
for him not becoming the mayor.
2467
00:58:43,041 --> 00:58:46,583
[Wershe]
2468
00:58:43,041 --> 00:58:46,583
I think helping the FBI with
2469
00:58:43,041 --> 00:58:46,583
Operation Backbone-
2470
00:58:46,625 --> 00:58:48,583
was the biggest mistake of my
2471
00:58:46,625 --> 00:58:48,583
life.
2472
00:58:48,625 --> 00:58:50,750
Because it created enemies that-
2473
00:58:50,792 --> 00:58:52,875
I couldn't even imagine- I was a
2474
00:58:50,792 --> 00:58:52,875
kid.
2475
00:58:52,917 --> 00:58:55,333
I didn't think of the political
2476
00:58:52,917 --> 00:58:55,333
aspects of it.
2477
00:58:55,375 --> 00:58:57,083
There's still
2478
00:58:55,375 --> 00:58:57,083
a lot of angry people
2479
00:58:57,125 --> 00:58:58,875
in the city of Detroit
2480
00:58:58,917 --> 00:59:00,125
in positions of power.
2481
00:59:01,667 --> 00:59:03,667
[ominous music]
2482
00:59:05,208 --> 00:59:08,083
In Michigan, you're supposed
2483
00:59:05,208 --> 00:59:08,083
to have an opportunity
2484
00:59:08,125 --> 00:59:10,083
to have a parole hearing
2485
00:59:08,125 --> 00:59:10,083
every five years.
2486
00:59:10,834 --> 00:59:13,959
Rick Wershe has only had
2487
00:59:10,834 --> 00:59:13,959
one parole hearing
2488
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,000
in 28 years in prison.
2489
00:59:16,041 --> 00:59:18,959
That parole hearing was in 2003,
2490
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,709
and it was a spectacle.
2491
00:59:20,750 --> 00:59:22,709
[dramatic music]
2492
00:59:29,709 --> 00:59:31,291
[Ralph] When you're up
2493
00:59:29,709 --> 00:59:31,291
for parole,
2494
00:59:31,333 --> 00:59:34,417
what the parole board does
2495
00:59:31,333 --> 00:59:34,417
is they send letters out
2496
00:59:34,458 --> 00:59:36,625
to the original trial judge.
2497
00:59:36,667 --> 00:59:38,750
[Ralph] In Rick's case,
2498
00:59:36,667 --> 00:59:38,750
{\an8}it was a judge
2499
00:59:38,792 --> 00:59:42,083
{\an8}by the name of Thomas Jackson
2500
00:59:38,792 --> 00:59:42,083
{\an8}who's recently retired.
2501
00:59:42,125 --> 00:59:45,041
{\an8}And Judge Jackson wrote back
2502
00:59:42,125 --> 00:59:45,041
{\an8}and he said,
2503
00:59:45,083 --> 00:59:47,500
{\an8}"I have no problem with this
2504
00:59:45,083 --> 00:59:47,500
{\an8}young man getting out.
2505
00:59:47,542 --> 00:59:50,083
{\an8}He's served a long time
2506
00:59:47,542 --> 00:59:50,083
{\an8}in jail."
2507
00:59:50,458 --> 00:59:53,000
{\an8}They then send the letter
2508
00:59:50,458 --> 00:59:53,000
{\an8}at the same time
2509
00:59:53,041 --> 00:59:55,625
{\an8}to the prosecuting
2510
00:59:53,041 --> 00:59:55,625
{\an8}attorney's office.
2511
00:59:55,959 --> 00:59:58,250
{\an8}[Ralph] The chief prosecutor
2512
00:59:55,959 --> 00:59:58,250
{\an8}was a fellow
2513
00:59:58,291 --> 00:59:59,875
{\an8}by the name of Michael Duggan.
2514
00:59:59,917 --> 01:00:01,542
{\an8}And Michael Duggan
2515
01:00:01,583 --> 01:00:03,250
{\an8}is now the mayor
2516
01:00:01,583 --> 01:00:03,250
{\an8}of the city of Detroit.
2517
01:00:05,417 --> 01:00:07,041
{\an8}[Ralph] The first response
2518
01:00:05,417 --> 01:00:07,041
{\an8}from that office was,
2519
01:00:07,083 --> 01:00:09,041
{\an8}"We have no problem
2520
01:00:07,083 --> 01:00:09,041
{\an8}with him getting out."
2521
01:00:09,875 --> 01:00:11,458
{\an8}Two weeks later,
2522
01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:13,542
{\an8}another letter comes
2523
01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:13,542
{\an8}from that office saying,
2524
01:00:13,583 --> 01:00:16,125
{\an8}"Disregard the first letter.
2525
01:00:13,583 --> 01:00:16,125
{\an8}We don't want him out."
2526
01:00:16,166 --> 01:00:19,291
{\an8}In the letter, which was
2527
01:00:16,166 --> 01:00:19,291
{\an8}a multipage letter,
2528
01:00:19,959 --> 01:00:23,083
{\an8}they were saying
2529
01:00:19,959 --> 01:00:23,083
{\an8}that Richard Wershe, Jr.
2530
01:00:23,125 --> 01:00:27,166
{\an8}was responsible for the downfall
2531
01:00:23,125 --> 01:00:27,166
{\an8}of the city of Detroit.
2532
01:00:27,208 --> 01:00:29,583
{\an8}Rick Wershe was involved
2533
01:00:27,208 --> 01:00:29,583
{\an8}in cases as a juvenile
2534
01:00:29,625 --> 01:00:31,500
{\an8}where the witnesses
2535
01:00:29,625 --> 01:00:31,500
{\an8}just disappeared.
2536
01:00:31,542 --> 01:00:33,375
{\an8}That this kid is so dangerous
2537
01:00:33,417 --> 01:00:35,625
{\an8}that he should never be
2538
01:00:33,417 --> 01:00:35,625
{\an8}let out of prison.
2539
01:00:35,667 --> 01:00:37,333
{\an8}And it was signed
2540
01:00:35,667 --> 01:00:37,333
{\an8}by Michael Duggan.
2541
01:00:37,917 --> 01:00:40,000
{\an8}[Ralph] If you ask him today,
2542
01:00:40,041 --> 01:00:41,875
{\an8}he'll tell you he doesn't
2543
01:00:40,041 --> 01:00:41,875
{\an8}remember that letter
2544
01:00:41,917 --> 01:00:42,959
{\an8}and he didn't remember
2545
01:00:41,917 --> 01:00:42,959
{\an8}signing it.
2546
01:00:43,667 --> 01:00:45,166
{\an8}If you look at the letter,
2547
01:00:45,208 --> 01:00:47,333
{\an8}the name right
2548
01:00:45,208 --> 01:00:47,333
{\an8}underneath Michael Duggan
2549
01:00:47,375 --> 01:00:50,041
{\an8}is that of his chief assistant,
2550
01:00:50,083 --> 01:00:51,959
{\an8}Samuel Gardner.
2551
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:56,208
{\an8}Rick's two defense attorneys
2552
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:56,208
{\an8}at the time he was convicted
2553
01:00:56,250 --> 01:01:00,208
{\an8}was Samuel Gardner and Ed Bell,
2554
01:01:00,250 --> 01:01:01,834
{\an8}who were law partners.
2555
01:01:02,417 --> 01:01:05,917
{\an8}[Wershe]
2556
01:01:02,417 --> 01:01:05,917
{\an8}He wanted to keep me in prison
2557
01:01:02,417 --> 01:01:05,917
{\an8}as long as he could.
2558
01:01:05,959 --> 01:01:08,166
{\an8}I mean here's a guy that was my
2559
01:01:05,959 --> 01:01:08,166
{\an8}lawyer-
2560
01:01:08,208 --> 01:01:10,375
{\an8}and was the number two
2561
01:01:08,208 --> 01:01:10,375
{\an8}prosecutor-
2562
01:01:10,417 --> 01:01:12,500
{\an8}told me I had nothing to worry
2563
01:01:10,417 --> 01:01:12,500
{\an8}about.
2564
01:01:12,542 --> 01:01:14,542
{\an8}And then this letter that was-
2565
01:01:14,583 --> 01:01:17,458
{\an8}so outlandish and crazy gets
2566
01:01:14,583 --> 01:01:17,458
{\an8}sent to the parole board.
2567
01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:20,875
{\an8}I think it proves that they
2568
01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:20,875
{\an8}threw the case from the
2569
01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:20,875
{\an8}beginning-
2570
01:01:20,917 --> 01:01:24,208
{\an8}and that their ultimate goal was
2571
01:01:20,917 --> 01:01:24,208
{\an8}to keep me in prison.
2572
01:01:24,250 --> 01:01:26,083
{\an8}[Kevin] So I went over
2573
01:01:24,250 --> 01:01:26,083
{\an8}to the hearing,
2574
01:01:26,125 --> 01:01:28,125
{\an8}and, in, in the first day
2575
01:01:26,125 --> 01:01:28,125
{\an8}of the hearing,
2576
01:01:28,166 --> 01:01:30,166
{\an8}I heard federal agents say
2577
01:01:30,208 --> 01:01:33,250
{\an8}that Rick Wershe
2578
01:01:30,208 --> 01:01:33,250
{\an8}was very helpful.
2579
01:01:33,291 --> 01:01:35,083
{\an8}Instrumental in bringing
2580
01:01:33,291 --> 01:01:35,083
{\an8}down dirty cops
2581
01:01:35,125 --> 01:01:36,792
{\an8}and other drug dealers
2582
01:01:35,125 --> 01:01:36,792
{\an8}in Detroit,
2583
01:01:36,834 --> 01:01:39,208
{\an8}and that they believed
2584
01:01:36,834 --> 01:01:39,208
{\an8}he should be let out of prison,
2585
01:01:39,250 --> 01:01:41,041
{\an8}that he should be paroled.
2586
01:01:41,083 --> 01:01:42,417
{\an8}You come back the next day,
2587
01:01:42,458 --> 01:01:44,041
{\an8}and it's a completely
2588
01:01:42,458 --> 01:01:44,041
{\an8}different story.
2589
01:01:44,083 --> 01:01:46,500
{\an8}The Wayne County
2590
01:01:44,083 --> 01:01:46,500
{\an8}Prosecuting Attorney
2591
01:01:46,542 --> 01:01:50,208
{\an8}brings in three or four
2592
01:01:46,542 --> 01:01:50,208
{\an8}homicide detectives.
2593
01:01:50,250 --> 01:01:52,917
{\an8}I was approached by Deputy Chief
2594
01:01:52,959 --> 01:01:54,291
{\an8}Dennis Richardson,
2595
01:01:54,333 --> 01:01:55,458
and was told that I was gonna go
2596
01:01:55,500 --> 01:01:57,291
to the parole hearing.
2597
01:01:57,834 --> 01:01:59,625
The goal of the hearing
2598
01:01:57,834 --> 01:01:59,625
was to make sure
2599
01:01:59,667 --> 01:02:01,458
that he was not released.
2600
01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:05,083
That Richard Wershe
2601
01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:05,083
was considered to be dangerous.
2602
01:02:05,125 --> 01:02:09,166
They characterized him
2603
01:02:05,125 --> 01:02:09,166
as, uh, Al Capone.
2604
01:02:09,208 --> 01:02:12,709
[Ralph] And they start detailing
2605
01:02:09,208 --> 01:02:12,709
the collapse of the city.
2606
01:02:13,125 --> 01:02:15,709
And then I talked about,
2607
01:02:13,125 --> 01:02:15,709
in generalities,
2608
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:19,166
the damage that drugs had did
2609
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:19,166
to the city of Detroit.
2610
01:02:19,208 --> 01:02:21,583
- The story of all
2611
01:02:19,208 --> 01:02:21,583
of the homicides,
2612
01:02:21,625 --> 01:02:24,208
and all of the drugs,
2613
01:02:21,625 --> 01:02:24,208
and all of the murders.
2614
01:02:24,250 --> 01:02:27,542
- That was the extent
2615
01:02:24,250 --> 01:02:27,542
of my contact
2616
01:02:27,583 --> 01:02:29,041
with the parole board.
2617
01:02:29,083 --> 01:02:30,542
But the other members
2618
01:02:30,583 --> 01:02:32,750
of the police department
2619
01:02:30,583 --> 01:02:32,750
and, and law enforcement
2620
01:02:32,792 --> 01:02:36,125
that was there
2621
01:02:32,792 --> 01:02:36,125
went into generalities also.
2622
01:02:36,792 --> 01:02:38,417
[Ralph] And if you read it,
2623
01:02:38,458 --> 01:02:41,000
the transcript, carefully,
2624
01:02:41,041 --> 01:02:44,125
they just keep throwing
2625
01:02:41,041 --> 01:02:44,125
Rick Wershe, Jr.'s name in.
2626
01:02:44,166 --> 01:02:46,333
They never say
2627
01:02:44,166 --> 01:02:46,333
that he does this stuff.
2628
01:02:46,375 --> 01:02:48,500
It's fair that you could
2629
01:02:46,375 --> 01:02:48,500
have implied
2630
01:02:48,542 --> 01:02:51,083
that they knew
2631
01:02:48,542 --> 01:02:51,083
about Richard Wershe.
2632
01:02:51,125 --> 01:02:53,166
Because they slanted it
2633
01:02:53,208 --> 01:02:55,375
to whereas he was
2634
01:02:53,208 --> 01:02:55,375
to be considered dangerous
2635
01:02:55,417 --> 01:02:57,375
when they didn't know anything
2636
01:02:55,417 --> 01:02:57,375
at all about him.
2637
01:02:57,417 --> 01:02:59,041
They never even worked drugs.
2638
01:02:59,083 --> 01:03:01,333
And some of them
2639
01:02:59,083 --> 01:03:01,333
{\an8}ended up in prison themselves.
2640
01:03:01,375 --> 01:03:04,000
{\an8}In order to prepare
2641
01:03:01,375 --> 01:03:04,000
{\an8}for the parole hearing,
2642
01:03:04,458 --> 01:03:07,458
{\an8}I was given information
2643
01:03:04,458 --> 01:03:07,458
{\an8}to review and look at
2644
01:03:08,291 --> 01:03:11,125
{\an8}so that I can familiarize myself
2645
01:03:08,291 --> 01:03:11,125
{\an8}with Richard Wershe.
2646
01:03:11,542 --> 01:03:13,834
{\an8}They went to
2647
01:03:11,542 --> 01:03:13,834
{\an8}the Detroit Free Press
2648
01:03:13,875 --> 01:03:15,166
{\an8}and said,
2649
01:03:15,208 --> 01:03:17,875
{\an8}"We need to have
2650
01:03:15,208 --> 01:03:17,875
{\an8}all of the news articles
2651
01:03:17,917 --> 01:03:19,959
{\an8}with regards to Rick Wershe
2652
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,875
{\an8}because we wanna review
2653
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,875
{\an8}a bunch of this information.
2654
01:03:23,417 --> 01:03:24,417
{\an8}Well, now we know
2655
01:03:26,291 --> 01:03:28,083
{\an8}that half of the stuff that's
2656
01:03:26,291 --> 01:03:28,083
{\an8}in print wasn't true at all.
2657
01:03:28,125 --> 01:03:29,291
{\an8}It was made up
2658
01:03:28,125 --> 01:03:29,291
{\an8}by the news media.
2659
01:03:32,125 --> 01:03:34,250
{\an8}Listening
2660
01:03:32,125 --> 01:03:34,250
{\an8}to these police officers
2661
01:03:34,291 --> 01:03:37,542
{\an8}say that Rick Wershe
2662
01:03:34,291 --> 01:03:37,542
{\an8}was violent and dangerous
2663
01:03:37,583 --> 01:03:39,458
{\an8}and should not be
2664
01:03:37,583 --> 01:03:39,458
{\an8}let out of prison
2665
01:03:39,500 --> 01:03:41,458
{\an8}was hard-hitting.
2666
01:03:41,500 --> 01:03:42,834
{\an8}And it was powerful.
2667
01:03:41,500 --> 01:03:42,834
{\an8}It was a powerful testimony.
2668
01:03:44,208 --> 01:03:45,834
{\an8}You had some people
2669
01:03:44,208 --> 01:03:45,834
{\an8}that testified
2670
01:03:45,875 --> 01:03:47,709
{\an8}in favor of Rick Wershe
2671
01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:49,917
{\an8}including Kid Rock,
2672
01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:49,917
{\an8}the musician.
2673
01:03:49,959 --> 01:03:52,250
{\an8}[Kevin] Kid Rock did not show up
2674
01:03:49,959 --> 01:03:52,250
{\an8}with a big entourage.
2675
01:03:52,291 --> 01:03:53,417
{\an8}He came by himself.
2676
01:03:53,458 --> 01:03:54,959
{\an8}He drove himself
2677
01:03:53,458 --> 01:03:54,959
{\an8}to that hearing,
2678
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,542
{\an8}and he told the parole board
2679
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,542
{\an8}very plainly
2680
01:03:57,583 --> 01:03:59,333
{\an8}that, "This could have been me
2681
01:03:59,375 --> 01:04:01,333
{\an8}if the circumstances
2682
01:03:59,375 --> 01:04:01,333
{\an8}were different,"
2683
01:04:01,375 --> 01:04:03,000
{\an8}and that Rick Wershe
2684
01:04:01,375 --> 01:04:03,000
{\an8}deserves to get out.
2685
01:04:03,041 --> 01:04:05,208
{\an8}And he quietly went away.
2686
01:04:05,250 --> 01:04:07,125
{\an8}[Kevin] But ultimately,
2687
01:04:07,166 --> 01:04:08,834
{\an8}the story didn't play out
2688
01:04:07,166 --> 01:04:08,834
{\an8}that way.
2689
01:04:08,875 --> 01:04:11,291
{\an8}The police jumped on the fact
2690
01:04:08,875 --> 01:04:11,291
{\an8}that Kid Rock was there
2691
01:04:11,333 --> 01:04:15,333
{\an8}and they basically put out
2692
01:04:11,333 --> 01:04:15,333
{\an8}the story line that,
2693
01:04:15,375 --> 01:04:17,500
{\an8}"What? Is White Boy Rick
2694
01:04:15,375 --> 01:04:17,500
{\an8}gonna get out of prison
2695
01:04:17,542 --> 01:04:19,583
{\an8}and go be a roadie for Kid Rock?
2696
01:04:19,625 --> 01:04:21,333
{\an8}[Kevin] There's a real recipe
2697
01:04:19,625 --> 01:04:21,333
{\an8}for success.
2698
01:04:21,375 --> 01:04:23,083
{\an8}Let's take this drug dealer
2699
01:04:23,125 --> 01:04:24,583
{\an8}and put him
2700
01:04:23,125 --> 01:04:24,583
{\an8}with a big-time rapper,
2701
01:04:24,625 --> 01:04:26,625
{\an8}and let's see how well he does.
2702
01:04:26,667 --> 01:04:28,667
{\an8}Let's see
2703
01:04:26,667 --> 01:04:28,667
{\an8}if he's really reformed.
2704
01:04:28,709 --> 01:04:30,208
{\an8}This is not gonna work."
2705
01:04:30,250 --> 01:04:31,333
{\an8}And that played well.
2706
01:04:31,375 --> 01:04:32,917
{\an8}It played well with the public
2707
01:04:32,959 --> 01:04:34,792
{\an8}and I think it played
2708
01:04:32,959 --> 01:04:34,792
{\an8}with the parole board.
2709
01:04:35,375 --> 01:04:37,041
{\an8}[Herm] And, uh, the result
2710
01:04:37,083 --> 01:04:39,375
{\an8}was they turned down his parole.
2711
01:04:39,417 --> 01:04:41,083
{\an8}It was a sham.
2712
01:04:41,125 --> 01:04:44,792
{\an8}There was absolutely no reason
2713
01:04:41,125 --> 01:04:44,792
{\an8}for any of us to be there
2714
01:04:44,834 --> 01:04:47,000
{\an8}to try to prevent him
2715
01:04:44,834 --> 01:04:47,000
{\an8}from being released.
2716
01:04:47,333 --> 01:04:50,583
{\an8}I voted to have
2717
01:04:47,333 --> 01:04:50,583
{\an8}Rick Wershe released.
2718
01:04:50,625 --> 01:04:52,041
{\an8}It made sense.
2719
01:04:52,083 --> 01:04:53,792
{\an8}There was no reason
2720
01:04:52,083 --> 01:04:53,792
{\an8}in this world
2721
01:04:53,834 --> 01:04:55,458
{\an8}that he should still be there.
2722
01:04:55,500 --> 01:04:57,542
{\an8}This whole thing
2723
01:04:55,500 --> 01:04:57,542
{\an8}stinks to high heaven.
2724
01:04:57,959 --> 01:05:00,375
{\an8}[Wershe]
2725
01:04:57,959 --> 01:05:00,375
{\an8}I think it goes back to Gil
2726
01:04:57,959 --> 01:05:00,375
{\an8}Hill.
2727
01:05:00,417 --> 01:05:02,208
{\an8}All roads lead back to him.
2728
01:05:02,250 --> 01:05:04,834
{\an8}I mean-
2729
01:05:04,875 --> 01:05:09,083
{\an8}there's someone or some thing
2730
01:05:04,875 --> 01:05:09,083
{\an8}that's keeping me in prison and
2731
01:05:04,875 --> 01:05:09,083
{\an8}it's not the crime that I
2732
01:05:04,875 --> 01:05:09,083
{\an8}committed.
2733
01:05:09,125 --> 01:05:11,166
{\an8}[wind howling]
2734
01:05:13,542 --> 01:05:15,333
{\an8}[Herm] So, uh, a couple of years
2735
01:05:13,542 --> 01:05:15,333
{\an8}after the parole hearing, uh,
2736
01:05:15,375 --> 01:05:17,458
{\an8}probably around 2005,
2737
01:05:17,500 --> 01:05:20,625
{\an8}Wershe, Jr., uh,
2738
01:05:17,500 --> 01:05:20,625
{\an8}was of course in, uh,
2739
01:05:20,667 --> 01:05:22,667
{\an8}federal, uh, protective custody,
2740
01:05:22,709 --> 01:05:24,041
{\an8}uh, witness protection program
2741
01:05:24,083 --> 01:05:25,625
{\an8}doing his life sentence.
2742
01:05:25,667 --> 01:05:28,166
{\an8}I became aware
2743
01:05:25,667 --> 01:05:28,166
{\an8}that he was involved,
2744
01:05:28,208 --> 01:05:30,291
{\an8}in a very minor way,
2745
01:05:30,333 --> 01:05:32,208
{\an8}in an auto theft ring.
2746
01:05:32,583 --> 01:05:37,333
{\an8}He became aware of the ability
2747
01:05:37,375 --> 01:05:40,458
{\an8}to obtain a car for his mother.
2748
01:05:40,500 --> 01:05:43,333
{\an8}Consisted of him making
2749
01:05:40,500 --> 01:05:43,333
{\an8}some phone calls
2750
01:05:43,375 --> 01:05:45,583
{\an8}on behalf of the people
2751
01:05:43,375 --> 01:05:45,583
{\an8}that were actually involved
2752
01:05:45,625 --> 01:05:47,333
{\an8}in the auto theft ring.
2753
01:05:47,375 --> 01:05:50,000
{\an8}When the Wayne County
2754
01:05:47,375 --> 01:05:50,000
{\an8}Prosecutor's Office found out,
2755
01:05:50,542 --> 01:05:52,375
{\an8}they made phone calls
2756
01:05:53,333 --> 01:05:56,041
{\an8}to the United States
2757
01:05:53,333 --> 01:05:56,041
{\an8}Attorney's Office
2758
01:05:56,083 --> 01:05:57,750
{\an8}down in Miami saying,
2759
01:05:57,792 --> 01:06:00,375
{\an8}"You make sure he's indicted
2760
01:06:00,417 --> 01:06:04,458
{\an8}and the full extent of the law
2761
01:06:00,417 --> 01:06:04,458
{\an8}comes down on him."
2762
01:06:04,500 --> 01:06:09,458
{\an8}[Wershe]
2763
01:06:04,500 --> 01:06:09,458
{\an8}I was told, "You take a plea
2764
01:06:04,500 --> 01:06:09,458
{\an8}bargain, or I am going to arrest
2765
01:06:04,500 --> 01:06:09,458
{\an8}your mom and your sister."
2766
01:06:09,500 --> 01:06:10,625
{\an8}So what do I do?
2767
01:06:10,667 --> 01:06:11,959
{\an8}I took a plea bargain.
2768
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:13,750
{\an8}So he pled guilty
2769
01:06:13,792 --> 01:06:15,625
{\an8}and got a five-year sentence.
2770
01:06:15,667 --> 01:06:19,834
{\an8}[Scott] Ninety-nine-point-nine
2771
01:06:15,667 --> 01:06:19,834
{\an8}percent of all other cases,
2772
01:06:19,875 --> 01:06:22,542
{\an8}the five years
2773
01:06:19,875 --> 01:06:22,542
{\an8}will run concurrently
2774
01:06:22,583 --> 01:06:26,041
{\an8}with the life sentence
2775
01:06:22,583 --> 01:06:26,041
{\an8}that he's under in Michigan.
2776
01:06:26,083 --> 01:06:28,458
{\an8}But because Rick's Rick,
2777
01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:30,917
{\an8}the sentence was ruled
2778
01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:30,917
{\an8}to run consecutively.
2779
01:06:34,750 --> 01:06:38,041
{\an8}If and when he's released here,
2780
01:06:34,750 --> 01:06:38,041
{\an8}which I pray is soon,
2781
01:06:38,083 --> 01:06:39,875
{\an8}he has to go to Florida
2782
01:06:38,083 --> 01:06:39,875
{\an8}and finish out time.
2783
01:06:42,083 --> 01:06:43,542
{\an8}[Scott] And if you look
2784
01:06:42,083 --> 01:06:43,542
{\an8}at the guy's prison record,
2785
01:06:43,583 --> 01:06:45,291
{\an8}with the exception
2786
01:06:43,583 --> 01:06:45,291
{\an8}of that one incident,
2787
01:06:45,917 --> 01:06:49,125
{\an8}he is someone
2788
01:06:45,917 --> 01:06:49,125
{\an8}that is a model prisoner.
2789
01:06:49,667 --> 01:06:52,375
{\an8}"He has remained misconduct-free
2790
01:06:49,667 --> 01:06:52,375
{\an8}during his entire sentence
2791
01:06:52,417 --> 01:06:56,709
{\an8}with the MDOC which started
2792
01:06:52,417 --> 01:06:56,709
{\an8}in February 5th, 1988.
2793
01:06:56,750 --> 01:06:58,667
{\an8}Mr. Wershe has maintained
2794
01:06:56,750 --> 01:06:58,667
{\an8}steady employment
2795
01:06:58,709 --> 01:07:00,875
{\an8}and has never been
2796
01:06:58,709 --> 01:07:00,875
{\an8}a management problem for staff.
2797
01:07:01,542 --> 01:07:03,834
{\an8}[Dana] He has
2798
01:07:01,542 --> 01:07:03,834
{\an8}good communication skills
2799
01:07:03,875 --> 01:07:05,750
{\an8}and interacts well with staff
2800
01:07:03,875 --> 01:07:05,750
{\an8}and other inmates alike."
2801
01:07:06,250 --> 01:07:07,625
{\an8}In my opinion,
2802
01:07:07,667 --> 01:07:10,458
{\an8}that would show that Mr. Wershe
2803
01:07:07,667 --> 01:07:10,458
{\an8}was a model prisoner.
2804
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:12,417
{\an8}[Dana] And there's no reason
2805
01:07:12,458 --> 01:07:14,917
{\an8}that he should have been
2806
01:07:12,458 --> 01:07:14,917
{\an8}denied parole for so long.
2807
01:07:16,291 --> 01:07:18,291
{\an8}[somber music]
2808
01:07:22,875 --> 01:07:25,000
{\an8}[Dana] "Now, based on my reading
2809
01:07:22,875 --> 01:07:25,000
{\an8}of the briefs,
2810
01:07:25,041 --> 01:07:26,709
{\an8}all parties agreed
2811
01:07:26,750 --> 01:07:28,166
{\an8}that defendant's
2812
01:07:26,750 --> 01:07:28,166
{\an8}original sentence
2813
01:07:28,208 --> 01:07:30,333
{\an8}of life without the possibility
2814
01:07:28,208 --> 01:07:30,333
{\an8}of parole
2815
01:07:30,375 --> 01:07:32,709
{\an8}for a juvenile who committed
2816
01:07:30,375 --> 01:07:32,709
{\an8}a non-violent offense
2817
01:07:32,750 --> 01:07:35,125
{\an8}involving drugs
2818
01:07:32,750 --> 01:07:35,125
{\an8}was unconstitutional.
2819
01:07:36,291 --> 01:07:38,000
{\an8}The case law
2820
01:07:36,291 --> 01:07:38,000
{\an8}over the last decade
2821
01:07:38,041 --> 01:07:39,542
{\an8}has demanded
2822
01:07:38,041 --> 01:07:39,542
{\an8}that we treat juveniles
2823
01:07:39,583 --> 01:07:41,834
{\an8}constitutionally different
2824
01:07:39,583 --> 01:07:41,834
{\an8}than adults.
2825
01:07:42,208 --> 01:07:44,917
{\an8}That difference requires us
2826
01:07:42,208 --> 01:07:44,917
{\an8}to consider the defendant's age
2827
01:07:44,959 --> 01:07:46,417
{\an8}at the time the crime
2828
01:07:44,959 --> 01:07:46,417
{\an8}was committed.
2829
01:07:47,125 --> 01:07:48,166
{\an8}[Dana] Where
2830
01:07:47,125 --> 01:07:48,166
{\an8}a defendant's sentence
2831
01:07:48,208 --> 01:07:49,792
{\an8}violates the constitution,
2832
01:07:49,834 --> 01:07:51,458
{\an8}recent case law holds
2833
01:07:51,500 --> 01:07:54,041
{\an8}that remedy for that violation
2834
01:07:51,500 --> 01:07:54,041
{\an8}is resentencing."
2835
01:07:54,542 --> 01:07:56,417
{\an8}[Kevin] Suddenly in 2015,
2836
01:07:56,458 --> 01:07:58,166
{\an8}Judge Dana Hathaway decided
2837
01:07:58,208 --> 01:08:01,041
{\an8}that she wanted
2838
01:07:58,208 --> 01:08:01,041
{\an8}to resentence Rick Wershe
2839
01:08:01,083 --> 01:08:02,959
{\an8}and it was a major decision.
2840
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,500
{\an8}[Ralph] Uh, he's stunned.
2841
01:08:04,542 --> 01:08:06,917
{\an8}I mean, you can see
2842
01:08:04,542 --> 01:08:06,917
{\an8}in the courtroom, uh,
2843
01:08:06,959 --> 01:08:09,041
{\an8}he, he doesn't know where to go.
2844
01:08:09,083 --> 01:08:11,500
{\an8}I mean, he is just
2845
01:08:09,083 --> 01:08:11,500
{\an8}almost in shock.
2846
01:08:11,542 --> 01:08:12,917
{\an8}We need him out.
2847
01:08:12,959 --> 01:08:14,959
{\an8}He's been in long enough.
2848
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:16,500
{\an8}I'm a bit overwhelmed
2849
01:08:16,542 --> 01:08:18,625
{\an8}because I've only seen
2850
01:08:16,542 --> 01:08:18,625
{\an8}my father in person
2851
01:08:18,667 --> 01:08:20,333
{\an8}maybe two or three times
2852
01:08:18,667 --> 01:08:20,333
{\an8}in my life,
2853
01:08:20,375 --> 01:08:23,458
{\an8}so it was a difficult
2854
01:08:20,375 --> 01:08:23,458
{\an8}relationship to know someone
2855
01:08:23,500 --> 01:08:25,125
{\an8}your whole life and not really.
2856
01:08:25,166 --> 01:08:26,750
{\an8}[Dawn] They wouldn't even
2857
01:08:25,166 --> 01:08:26,750
{\an8}allow him out
2858
01:08:26,792 --> 01:08:28,458
{\an8}for my dad's funeral.
2859
01:08:29,208 --> 01:08:31,500
{\an8}When my dad was dying
2860
01:08:29,208 --> 01:08:31,500
{\an8}of cancer, we, um...
2861
01:08:31,542 --> 01:08:32,959
{\an8}We asked and they said, "No.
2862
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,750
{\an8}It's too high
2863
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,750
{\an8}of a security risk."
2864
01:08:35,208 --> 01:08:38,750
{\an8}[Wershe]
2865
01:08:35,208 --> 01:08:38,750
{\an8}I wold like to spread my dad's
2866
01:08:35,208 --> 01:08:38,750
{\an8}ashes somewhere and-
2867
01:08:38,792 --> 01:08:41,208
{\an8}visit my grandparents' grave.
2868
01:08:41,250 --> 01:08:43,250
{\an8}I just wanna see him,
2869
01:08:41,250 --> 01:08:43,250
{\an8}like I said,
2870
01:08:43,291 --> 01:08:46,208
{\an8}and spend time with him
2871
01:08:43,291 --> 01:08:46,208
{\an8}before I die.
2872
01:08:46,625 --> 01:08:48,917
{\an8}[Wershe]
2873
01:08:46,625 --> 01:08:48,917
{\an8}My mother's not in good health,
2874
01:08:46,625 --> 01:08:48,917
{\an8}I mean-
2875
01:08:48,959 --> 01:08:51,667
{\an8}after twenty-nine years you
2876
01:08:48,959 --> 01:08:51,667
{\an8}don't hit the ground running-
2877
01:08:51,709 --> 01:08:54,041
{\an8}but I think I have a good
2878
01:08:51,709 --> 01:08:54,041
{\an8}support team.
2879
01:08:54,083 --> 01:08:55,709
{\an8}He's supposed to get out.
2880
01:08:55,750 --> 01:08:58,083
{\an8}And if he doesn't get out,
2881
01:08:55,750 --> 01:08:58,083
{\an8}I want you, news guys,
2882
01:08:58,125 --> 01:08:59,959
{\an8}to be investigating
2883
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,041
{\an8}as to who in the hell
2884
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,041
{\an8}wants him in
2885
01:09:02,083 --> 01:09:04,375
{\an8}and who has that kind of power
2886
01:09:02,083 --> 01:09:04,375
{\an8}to keep him in.
2887
01:09:04,417 --> 01:09:06,166
{\an8}Wershe will be back here
2888
01:09:04,417 --> 01:09:06,166
{\an8}in two weeks
2889
01:09:06,208 --> 01:09:07,583
{\an8}to hear the judge's sentence.
2890
01:09:07,625 --> 01:09:09,500
{\an8}If it is the time served,
2891
01:09:09,542 --> 01:09:12,041
it's possible he could walk out
2892
01:09:09,542 --> 01:09:12,041
of here a free man.
2893
01:09:12,083 --> 01:09:15,333
[Kevin] It would definitely mean
2894
01:09:12,083 --> 01:09:15,333
that his time as a prisoner
2895
01:09:15,375 --> 01:09:16,583
is near its end.
2896
01:09:18,500 --> 01:09:20,208
[Kevin] Kym Worthy
2897
01:09:18,500 --> 01:09:20,208
objected to that.
2898
01:09:20,250 --> 01:09:21,875
She's the prosecutor
2899
01:09:20,250 --> 01:09:21,875
in Wayne County.
2900
01:09:21,917 --> 01:09:23,917
In 2015, she said,
2901
01:09:23,959 --> 01:09:25,250
"We believe the law says
2902
01:09:25,291 --> 01:09:27,208
that Rick Wershe
2903
01:09:25,291 --> 01:09:27,208
must stay in prison
2904
01:09:27,250 --> 01:09:29,041
until the parole board
2905
01:09:27,250 --> 01:09:29,041
releases him."
2906
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,625
[Kevin] So as it stands
2907
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,625
right now,
2908
01:09:37,667 --> 01:09:39,875
Rick Wershe
2909
01:09:37,667 --> 01:09:39,875
will not be resentenced.
2910
01:09:41,041 --> 01:09:45,834
[Dana] When Prosecutor Worthy
2911
01:09:41,041 --> 01:09:45,834
objected to my resentencing,
2912
01:09:45,875 --> 01:09:47,000
I was disappointed.
2913
01:09:47,500 --> 01:09:51,083
I didn't think that there was
2914
01:09:47,500 --> 01:09:51,083
a legitimate basis for it.
2915
01:09:51,125 --> 01:09:52,875
And then
2916
01:09:51,125 --> 01:09:52,875
when the Court of Appeals
2917
01:09:52,917 --> 01:09:54,583
sided with the prosecutor,
2918
01:09:54,625 --> 01:09:56,500
[stutters]
2919
01:09:54,625 --> 01:09:56,500
I was disappointed again.
2920
01:09:56,542 --> 01:10:00,333
I thought that, uh, my opinion
2921
01:09:56,542 --> 01:10:00,333
had strong legal footing
2922
01:10:00,375 --> 01:10:03,750
given the fact
2923
01:10:00,375 --> 01:10:03,750
that his sentence was ultimately
2924
01:10:03,792 --> 01:10:05,875
an Eighth Amendment violation
2925
01:10:05,917 --> 01:10:07,417
and I thought the remedy
2926
01:10:05,917 --> 01:10:07,417
should have been resentencing.
2927
01:10:08,208 --> 01:10:10,458
[Wershe]
2928
01:10:08,208 --> 01:10:10,458
Oh, I'm disappointed. I mean-
2929
01:10:10,500 --> 01:10:12,625
let down a little bit, but-
2930
01:10:12,667 --> 01:10:14,750
I expected it to be honest with
2931
01:10:12,667 --> 01:10:14,750
you.
2932
01:10:14,792 --> 01:10:17,750
After all this time in here you
2933
01:10:14,792 --> 01:10:17,750
don't believe you're doing to
2934
01:10:14,792 --> 01:10:17,750
get out of here-
2935
01:10:17,792 --> 01:10:20,125
until the day you walk out of
2936
01:10:17,792 --> 01:10:20,125
here.
2937
01:10:20,166 --> 01:10:22,667
{\an8}[Kevin] Kym Worthy is one
2938
01:10:20,166 --> 01:10:22,667
{\an8}of the main people
2939
01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:26,208
{\an8}standing in his way
2940
01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:26,208
{\an8}of becoming a free man.
2941
01:10:26,250 --> 01:10:27,083
{\an8}And she's
2942
01:10:26,250 --> 01:10:27,083
{\an8}made no public statement
2943
01:10:27,125 --> 01:10:28,166
{\an8}over the years.
2944
01:10:28,208 --> 01:10:30,166
{\an8}She's never given any indication
2945
01:10:30,208 --> 01:10:32,000
{\an8}why she's so dead set
2946
01:10:32,041 --> 01:10:33,625
{\an8}on Rick Wershe staying
2947
01:10:32,041 --> 01:10:33,625
{\an8}in prison.
2948
01:10:34,417 --> 01:10:35,959
{\an8}[Kevin]
2949
01:10:34,417 --> 01:10:35,959
{\an8}I've done dozens of stories
2950
01:10:37,917 --> 01:10:39,333
{\an8}on the injustice of Rick Wershe
2951
01:10:37,917 --> 01:10:39,333
{\an8}still being in prison.
2952
01:10:40,125 --> 01:10:42,125
{\an8}And I've truly felt
2953
01:10:42,166 --> 01:10:44,750
{\an8}that the stories I've done
2954
01:10:42,166 --> 01:10:44,750
{\an8}should have been enough
2955
01:10:44,792 --> 01:10:46,333
{\an8}for people
2956
01:10:44,792 --> 01:10:46,333
{\an8}to do the right thing,
2957
01:10:46,375 --> 01:10:48,250
{\an8}but that hasn't happened.
2958
01:10:48,291 --> 01:10:50,875
{\an8}[Dana] His sentence
2959
01:10:48,291 --> 01:10:50,875
{\an8}shocks the conscience.
2960
01:10:50,917 --> 01:10:53,041
{\an8}How long he was in
2961
01:10:50,917 --> 01:10:53,041
{\an8}shocks the conscience.
2962
01:10:53,083 --> 01:10:54,917
{\an8}I'm not saying he was innocent,
2963
01:10:54,959 --> 01:10:58,250
{\an8}but part our job is letting
2964
01:10:54,959 --> 01:10:58,250
the punishment fit the crime.
2965
01:10:58,291 --> 01:11:00,667
And here, it absolutely did not.
2966
01:11:00,709 --> 01:11:02,208
For a juvenile defendant
2967
01:11:02,250 --> 01:11:05,041
to never have his age
2968
01:11:02,250 --> 01:11:05,041
taken into consideration
2969
01:11:05,083 --> 01:11:07,333
was highly inappropriate
2970
01:11:07,375 --> 01:11:09,333
and inconsistent
2971
01:11:07,375 --> 01:11:09,333
with the case law
2972
01:11:09,375 --> 01:11:11,083
that's been evolving
2973
01:11:09,375 --> 01:11:11,083
for the past decade.
2974
01:11:11,417 --> 01:11:13,750
He's a juvenile
2975
01:11:11,417 --> 01:11:13,750
non-violent offender
2976
01:11:14,583 --> 01:11:15,959
who served 29 years.
2977
01:11:16,542 --> 01:11:17,917
He should be out.
2978
01:11:17,959 --> 01:11:19,667
He is a political prisoner.
2979
01:11:19,709 --> 01:11:22,417
[Scott] He is being held
2980
01:11:19,709 --> 01:11:22,417
against his will
2981
01:11:22,458 --> 01:11:24,875
by the politicians of Michigan
2982
01:11:24,917 --> 01:11:26,125
for crimes he never did!
2983
01:11:26,500 --> 01:11:27,959
There is a relationship
2984
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,917
between the current
2985
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,917
Wayne County prosecutor
2986
01:11:30,959 --> 01:11:32,250
and Gil Hill.
2987
01:11:32,291 --> 01:11:33,625
[Joe] From what I saw,
2988
01:11:33,667 --> 01:11:35,625
Kym Worthy and Gil Hill
2989
01:11:35,667 --> 01:11:38,834
had a professional
2990
01:11:35,667 --> 01:11:38,834
and political relationship.
2991
01:11:39,166 --> 01:11:41,125
[Herm] Uh, she
2992
01:11:39,166 --> 01:11:41,125
and Gil Hill worked together
2993
01:11:41,166 --> 01:11:43,375
especially when he was,
2994
01:11:41,166 --> 01:11:43,375
um, city council,
2995
01:11:43,792 --> 01:11:45,291
so they have a long history.
2996
01:11:45,333 --> 01:11:47,625
So I think
2997
01:11:45,333 --> 01:11:47,625
that's where the issue is.
2998
01:11:48,166 --> 01:11:50,417
Well, the city lost
2999
01:11:48,166 --> 01:11:50,417
a good one today.
3000
01:11:50,458 --> 01:11:53,166
Gilbert Hill,
3001
01:11:50,458 --> 01:11:53,166
or Gil as we knew him,
3002
01:11:53,208 --> 01:11:55,834
died today peacefully
3003
01:11:53,208 --> 01:11:55,834
with family by his side.
3004
01:11:56,250 --> 01:11:59,250
[reporter #8] He was a legendary
3005
01:11:56,250 --> 01:11:59,250
homicide detective in Detroit
3006
01:11:59,291 --> 01:12:01,166
and, of course, landed the role
3007
01:12:01,208 --> 01:12:02,959
of Eddie Murphy's
3008
01:12:01,208 --> 01:12:02,959
foul-mouthed boss
3009
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:04,000
in Beverly Hills Cop.
3010
01:12:06,375 --> 01:12:08,375
[somber music]
3011
01:12:17,291 --> 01:12:18,959
[Kevin] Two huge stories today.
3012
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,041
First is statement
3013
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,041
from Kym Worthy
3014
01:12:21,083 --> 01:12:23,250
{\an8}that she gave exclusively
3015
01:12:21,083 --> 01:12:23,250
{\an8}to the defenders.
3016
01:12:23,291 --> 01:12:26,542
{\an8}Kym Worthy saying she is
3017
01:12:23,291 --> 01:12:26,542
{\an8}going to reconsider her stance.
3018
01:12:26,583 --> 01:12:29,458
{\an8}She may no longer object
3019
01:12:26,583 --> 01:12:29,458
{\an8}to Wershe being locked up.
3020
01:12:29,500 --> 01:12:30,875
{\an8}[Kevin] This decision
3021
01:12:29,500 --> 01:12:30,875
{\an8}by Kym Worthy
3022
01:12:30,917 --> 01:12:32,792
{\an8}coming the very same day
3023
01:12:32,834 --> 01:12:36,500
{\an8}that a hitman says he was hired
3024
01:12:32,834 --> 01:12:36,500
{\an8}by a police officer
3025
01:12:36,542 --> 01:12:38,500
{\an8}to kill Rick Wershe
3026
01:12:36,542 --> 01:12:38,500
{\an8}back in the '80s.
3027
01:12:39,208 --> 01:12:42,375
{\an8}Maybe they need to step down
3028
01:12:39,208 --> 01:12:42,375
{\an8}and let the boy out
3029
01:12:42,417 --> 01:12:44,750
{\an8}before I start
3030
01:12:42,417 --> 01:12:44,750
{\an8}really naming names
3031
01:12:45,291 --> 01:12:46,417
{\an8}and they know who they are.
3032
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:49,166
{\an8}[Kevin] In that documentary,
3033
01:12:49,208 --> 01:12:50,458
{\an8}I'm told that Nate Craft
3034
01:12:49,208 --> 01:12:50,458
{\an8}is going to say
3035
01:12:50,500 --> 01:12:52,417
{\an8}that former Mayor Coleman Young
3036
01:12:52,458 --> 01:12:54,750
{\an8}and former City Council
3037
01:12:52,458 --> 01:12:54,750
{\an8}President Gil Hill
3038
01:12:54,792 --> 01:12:56,709
{\an8}went to great lengths
3039
01:12:56,750 --> 01:12:58,875
{\an8}to make sure
3040
01:12:56,750 --> 01:12:58,875
{\an8}that White Boy Rick Wershe
3041
01:12:58,917 --> 01:13:00,583
{\an8}would stay in prison
3042
01:12:58,917 --> 01:13:00,583
{\an8}for the rest of his life.
3043
01:13:01,583 --> 01:13:03,083
{\an8}So, finally,
3044
01:13:01,583 --> 01:13:03,083
{\an8}after all of this time,
3045
01:13:03,125 --> 01:13:04,792
{\an8}Kym Worthy says she's not
3046
01:13:03,125 --> 01:13:04,792
{\an8}going to stand
3047
01:13:04,834 --> 01:13:06,500
{\an8}in Rick Wershe's way,
3048
01:13:06,542 --> 01:13:07,917
{\an8}but she's not gonna do
3049
01:13:06,542 --> 01:13:07,917
{\an8}anything to help him either.
3050
01:13:10,250 --> 01:13:11,750
{\an8}[Kevin] She's going to leave
3051
01:13:10,250 --> 01:13:11,750
{\an8}that up to the parole board.
3052
01:13:11,792 --> 01:13:12,917
{\an8}[Gregg]
3053
01:13:11,792 --> 01:13:12,917
{\an8}Well, that's the problem,
3054
01:13:12,959 --> 01:13:14,583
{\an8}is the parole board.
3055
01:13:14,625 --> 01:13:17,083
{\an8}They believe whoever
3056
01:13:14,625 --> 01:13:17,083
{\an8}is sitting there talking to them
3057
01:13:17,709 --> 01:13:19,875
{\an8}and they never ask
3058
01:13:17,709 --> 01:13:19,875
{\an8}any questions.
3059
01:13:19,917 --> 01:13:22,834
{\an8}[Gregg] They just listen
3060
01:13:19,917 --> 01:13:22,834
{\an8}to it all and then they vote.
3061
01:13:22,875 --> 01:13:24,291
{\an8}And half the time,
3062
01:13:24,333 --> 01:13:26,250
{\an8}they've listened
3063
01:13:24,333 --> 01:13:26,250
{\an8}to the wrong information.
3064
01:13:26,792 --> 01:13:29,250
{\an8}The Supreme Court
3065
01:13:26,792 --> 01:13:29,250
{\an8}in, in the State of Michigan
3066
01:13:29,291 --> 01:13:30,709
{\an8}needs to take a look at this,
3067
01:13:30,750 --> 01:13:32,583
{\an8}or the governor
3068
01:13:30,750 --> 01:13:32,583
{\an8}needs to pardon him.
3069
01:13:32,625 --> 01:13:35,208
{\an8}Every time I've called
3070
01:13:32,625 --> 01:13:35,208
{\an8}the Governor's Office,
3071
01:13:35,667 --> 01:13:38,959
{\an8}I've been told by his Office
3072
01:13:35,667 --> 01:13:38,959
{\an8}of General Counsel
3073
01:13:39,625 --> 01:13:41,917
{\an8}that the governor
3074
01:13:39,625 --> 01:13:41,917
{\an8}doesn't get involved.
3075
01:13:41,959 --> 01:13:45,417
{\an8}In any of the parole instances,
3076
01:13:45,458 --> 01:13:47,959
{\an8}he turns it over
3077
01:13:45,458 --> 01:13:47,959
{\an8}to the parole board.
3078
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:49,625
{\an8}Think about that concept.
3079
01:13:49,667 --> 01:13:52,000
{\an8}These are unelected people
3080
01:13:49,667 --> 01:13:52,000
{\an8}that are on the board.
3081
01:13:52,041 --> 01:13:53,417
{\an8}They're just regular people
3082
01:13:53,458 --> 01:13:55,291
{\an8}and they're appointed
3083
01:13:53,458 --> 01:13:55,291
{\an8}by the governor.
3084
01:13:55,333 --> 01:13:57,291
{\an8}And you as the governor
3085
01:13:55,333 --> 01:13:57,291
{\an8}of the state of Michigan
3086
01:13:57,333 --> 01:13:59,959
{\an8}that get elected by the citizens
3087
01:13:57,333 --> 01:13:59,959
{\an8}you're going to say,
3088
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,667
{\an8}"Oh, what do you want me to do?"
3089
01:14:01,709 --> 01:14:03,417
{\an8}The parole board says
3090
01:14:01,709 --> 01:14:03,417
{\an8}they shouldn't do anything."
3091
01:14:03,458 --> 01:14:04,375
{\an8}That's crazy.
3092
01:14:06,166 --> 01:14:07,333
{\an8}[Kevin] I think people
3093
01:14:06,166 --> 01:14:07,333
{\an8}in Michigan
3094
01:14:07,375 --> 01:14:09,041
{\an8}are finally realizing
3095
01:14:09,083 --> 01:14:10,834
{\an8}that this story
3096
01:14:09,083 --> 01:14:10,834
{\an8}is not going away
3097
01:14:10,875 --> 01:14:12,625
{\an8}and it's not staying local.
3098
01:14:12,667 --> 01:14:14,375
{\an8}It's going to get bigger.
3099
01:14:12,667 --> 01:14:14,375
{\an8}It's going to get national.
3100
01:14:14,417 --> 01:14:15,834
{\an8}It's gonna get international.
3101
01:14:15,875 --> 01:14:18,083
{\an8}And someone's gonna
3102
01:14:15,875 --> 01:14:18,083
{\an8}have to answer
3103
01:14:18,125 --> 01:14:20,291
{\an8}as to why Rick Wershe
3104
01:14:18,125 --> 01:14:20,291
{\an8}is still in prison
3105
01:14:20,333 --> 01:14:22,041
{\an8}because nobody
3106
01:14:20,333 --> 01:14:22,041
{\an8}has answered for that yet.
3107
01:14:22,750 --> 01:14:24,625
{\an8}This is the Claus von Bülow case
3108
01:14:24,667 --> 01:14:26,959
{\an8}uh, that, uh,
3109
01:14:24,667 --> 01:14:26,959
{\an8}I was the appellant lawyer.
3110
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:28,458
{\an8}And you don't get too many cases
3111
01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:30,375
{\an8}where the reversal
3112
01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:30,375
{\an8}of the conviction
3113
01:14:30,417 --> 01:14:32,291
{\an8}makes the front page
3114
01:14:30,417 --> 01:14:32,291
{\an8}of the New York Times.
3115
01:14:32,333 --> 01:14:33,375
{\an8}[Kevin] Attorney Alan Dershowitz
3116
01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:36,625
{\an8}has an office full of memories
3117
01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:36,625
{\an8}from the big cases.
3118
01:14:36,667 --> 01:14:38,166
{\an8}OJ Simpson, Mike Tyson,
3119
01:14:38,208 --> 01:14:40,083
{\an8}Patty Hearst, Jim Baker.
3120
01:14:40,125 --> 01:14:41,750
{\an8}He can't see any reason
3121
01:14:41,792 --> 01:14:43,875
{\an8}Rick Wershe should still
3122
01:14:41,792 --> 01:14:43,875
{\an8}be behind bars.
3123
01:14:43,917 --> 01:14:46,125
{\an8}[Alan] This is a terrible,
3124
01:14:43,917 --> 01:14:46,125
{\an8}terrible injustice.
3125
01:14:46,166 --> 01:14:49,667
{\an8}This sentence has
3126
01:14:46,166 --> 01:14:49,667
{\an8}so many constitutional problems
3127
01:14:49,709 --> 01:14:51,166
{\an8}that one would hope
3128
01:14:49,709 --> 01:14:51,166
{\an8}a court would look at it
3129
01:14:51,208 --> 01:14:53,041
{\an8}very skeptically.
3130
01:14:53,083 --> 01:14:54,959
{\an8}[Alan] One might
3131
01:14:53,083 --> 01:14:54,959
{\an8}at least have the hope
3132
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:56,834
{\an8}that they will see
3133
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:56,834
{\an8}the thing in context,
3134
01:14:56,875 --> 01:14:58,583
{\an8}and say to themselves,
3135
01:14:56,875 --> 01:14:58,583
{\an8}"Oh, my God.
3136
01:14:58,625 --> 01:15:01,000
{\an8}Young man, drug offense.
3137
01:15:01,041 --> 01:15:02,834
{\an8}Look at how much time he spent.
3138
01:15:02,875 --> 01:15:04,208
{\an8}That doesn't make sense."
3139
01:15:04,250 --> 01:15:06,291
{\an8}Alan Dershowitz
3140
01:15:04,250 --> 01:15:06,291
{\an8}has agreed to assist
3141
01:15:06,333 --> 01:15:08,542
{\an8}Rick Wershe's attorney,
3142
01:15:06,333 --> 01:15:08,542
{\an8}Ralph Musilli, saying,
3143
01:15:08,583 --> 01:15:11,458
{\an8}"An injustice like this
3144
01:15:08,583 --> 01:15:11,458
{\an8}needs as much public attention
3145
01:15:11,500 --> 01:15:12,500
{\an8}as possible."
3146
01:15:14,166 --> 01:15:17,125
{\an8}Who's gonna be the hero here
3147
01:15:14,166 --> 01:15:17,125
{\an8}and do the right thing?
3148
01:15:17,875 --> 01:15:19,792
{\an8}[Dana] I don't really think
3149
01:15:17,875 --> 01:15:19,792
{\an8}anyone can look
3150
01:15:19,834 --> 01:15:21,291
{\an8}at all the facts
3151
01:15:19,834 --> 01:15:21,291
{\an8}surrounding this case
3152
01:15:21,333 --> 01:15:22,542
{\an8}and not feel bad for him.
3153
01:15:24,250 --> 01:15:26,083
{\an8}And whether it's appropriate
3154
01:15:24,250 --> 01:15:26,083
{\an8}or not for me to say,
3155
01:15:26,125 --> 01:15:29,125
{\an8}I, I am still a human being
3156
01:15:26,125 --> 01:15:29,125
{\an8}despite being the judge
3157
01:15:29,166 --> 01:15:31,417
{\an8}that just happened
3158
01:15:29,166 --> 01:15:31,417
{\an8}to inherit this case.
3159
01:15:31,458 --> 01:15:33,667
{\an8}[Dana] I can't check that
3160
01:15:31,458 --> 01:15:33,667
{\an8}at the door,
3161
01:15:33,709 --> 01:15:36,542
{\an8}and I think part of, uh, my job
3162
01:15:33,709 --> 01:15:36,542
{\an8}is to have compassion
3163
01:15:36,583 --> 01:15:39,125
{\an8}for people and the people
3164
01:15:36,583 --> 01:15:39,125
{\an8}that come before me,
3165
01:15:39,166 --> 01:15:40,875
{\an8}and to see all sides
3166
01:15:39,166 --> 01:15:40,875
{\an8}of the story.
3167
01:15:41,500 --> 01:15:43,000
{\an8}And I don't know how anyone
3168
01:15:41,500 --> 01:15:43,000
{\an8}can look at this
3169
01:15:43,041 --> 01:15:44,000
{\an8}and not feel bad for him.
3170
01:15:44,959 --> 01:15:46,500
{\an8}I say Rick shoulda did
3171
01:15:46,542 --> 01:15:48,000
{\an8}seven, eight years
3172
01:15:46,542 --> 01:15:48,000
{\an8}and been home.
3173
01:15:48,417 --> 01:15:49,834
{\an8}Should have been home.
3174
01:15:49,875 --> 01:15:51,500
{\an8}20 years ago.
3175
01:15:51,542 --> 01:15:52,792
{\an8}Even my daughters,
3176
01:15:51,542 --> 01:15:52,792
{\an8}everybody say,
3177
01:15:52,834 --> 01:15:54,125
{\an8}"Yeah, they should
3178
01:15:52,834 --> 01:15:54,125
{\an8}let the boy go.
3179
01:15:54,166 --> 01:15:55,625
{\an8}He did enough time."
3180
01:15:55,667 --> 01:15:57,792
{\an8}Murders ain't--
3181
01:15:55,667 --> 01:15:57,792
{\an8}He did more time than murderers.
3182
01:15:58,583 --> 01:16:01,083
{\an8}[foreboding music]
3183
01:16:01,125 --> 01:16:02,625
{\an8}[Scott] The leader of the
3184
01:16:01,125 --> 01:16:02,625
{\an8}Young Boys Incorporated,
3185
01:16:02,667 --> 01:16:04,083
{\an8}Butch Jones,
3186
01:16:06,208 --> 01:16:07,834
{\an8}the Henry Ford of heroin
3187
01:16:06,208 --> 01:16:07,834
{\an8}as he'd like to call himself,
3188
01:16:08,417 --> 01:16:11,750
{\an8}responsible for hundreds
3189
01:16:08,417 --> 01:16:11,750
{\an8}and hundreds
3190
01:16:11,792 --> 01:16:13,625
{\an8}of kilos of drugs being sold.
3191
01:16:13,667 --> 01:16:16,834
{\an8}Responsible
3192
01:16:13,667 --> 01:16:16,834
{\an8}for multiple murders,
3193
01:16:17,542 --> 01:16:19,625
{\an8}alleged and convicted,
3194
01:16:19,667 --> 01:16:20,834
{\an8}did seven years.
3195
01:16:22,959 --> 01:16:26,542
{\an8}[Scott] Kurt McGurk
3196
01:16:22,959 --> 01:16:26,542
{\an8}was Butch Jones' protégé.
3197
01:16:26,583 --> 01:16:30,875
{\an8}A 16-year-old hitman
3198
01:16:26,583 --> 01:16:30,875
did 25 years.
3199
01:16:30,917 --> 01:16:32,000
He's out.
3200
01:16:32,542 --> 01:16:34,500
The Curry Boys.
3201
01:16:34,542 --> 01:16:37,375
Johnny Curry,
3202
01:16:34,542 --> 01:16:37,375
Rick's mentor in the game.
3203
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:42,333
Arguably the biggest Eastside
3204
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:42,333
drug dealer of the 1980s,
3205
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,208
ran an empire for ten years.
3206
01:16:45,834 --> 01:16:47,917
Went into prison in 1987.
3207
01:16:47,959 --> 01:16:50,500
Came out in 1999, 12 years.
3208
01:16:51,458 --> 01:16:53,625
Nathaniel "Boone" Craft.
3209
01:16:53,667 --> 01:16:54,959
Here I am.
3210
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:56,500
Hitman, murderer,
3211
01:16:56,542 --> 01:16:58,083
however y'all wanna put it.
3212
01:16:58,125 --> 01:17:01,333
Admitted to killing 30 people
3213
01:16:58,125 --> 01:17:01,333
in open court
3214
01:17:02,083 --> 01:17:03,834
did 17 years, he's out.
3215
01:17:04,417 --> 01:17:06,291
I'm not in prison no longer.
3216
01:17:07,333 --> 01:17:09,000
I'm free,
3217
01:17:09,041 --> 01:17:12,291
and hoping one day y'all will
3218
01:17:09,041 --> 01:17:12,291
free White Boy Rick.
3219
01:17:14,208 --> 01:17:17,375
[Chris] What rational human
3220
01:17:14,208 --> 01:17:17,375
being would say
3221
01:17:17,417 --> 01:17:21,333
that a man who has admitted
3222
01:17:17,417 --> 01:17:21,333
30 execution-style killings,
3223
01:17:22,250 --> 01:17:24,625
who then cooperates
3224
01:17:22,250 --> 01:17:24,625
with law enforcement,
3225
01:17:24,667 --> 01:17:26,667
should get out in 17 years
3226
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:29,000
and Richard Wershe, Jr.
3227
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:29,000
should be in for 28 years?
3228
01:17:30,625 --> 01:17:32,625
[Nate] I know I'm going to hell.
3229
01:17:32,667 --> 01:17:34,709
There's nothing that I could do
3230
01:17:32,667 --> 01:17:34,709
to change that
3231
01:17:34,750 --> 01:17:36,959
because my life
3232
01:17:34,750 --> 01:17:36,959
had so much violence,
3233
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:38,834
so much everything but, yet,
3234
01:17:38,875 --> 01:17:40,917
White Boy Rick
3235
01:17:38,875 --> 01:17:40,917
is still locked up.
3236
01:17:42,834 --> 01:17:46,417
[Ralph] The government takes
3237
01:17:42,834 --> 01:17:46,417
a 14-year-old boy
3238
01:17:46,458 --> 01:17:48,291
out of high school
3239
01:17:48,333 --> 01:17:52,000
and places him in imminent peril
3240
01:17:52,041 --> 01:17:54,250
so that they can do their job.
3241
01:17:55,834 --> 01:17:58,458
[Ralph] And after
3242
01:17:55,834 --> 01:17:58,458
they used him up,
3243
01:17:58,500 --> 01:17:59,959
they kick him to the curb,
3244
01:18:00,917 --> 01:18:03,583
and send him to jail
3245
01:18:00,917 --> 01:18:03,583
for the rest of his life.
3246
01:18:05,083 --> 01:18:07,000
He done served a lot of time
3247
01:18:07,041 --> 01:18:09,000
for something that he wasn't.
3248
01:18:09,667 --> 01:18:11,667
Bottom line,
3249
01:18:09,667 --> 01:18:11,667
for something that he wasn't.
3250
01:18:12,500 --> 01:18:14,291
What happens if...
3251
01:18:15,333 --> 01:18:17,917
three, or four, or five,
3252
01:18:15,333 --> 01:18:17,917
ten years down the road,
3253
01:18:19,583 --> 01:18:22,083
Rick, you get out of prison?
3254
01:18:19,583 --> 01:18:22,083
What do you do, then?
3255
01:18:23,375 --> 01:18:24,667
Start my life over.
3256
01:18:27,291 --> 01:18:30,291
Try and start
3257
01:18:27,291 --> 01:18:30,291
from the beginning, you know?
3258
01:18:30,333 --> 01:18:33,709
I wanna go home,
3259
01:18:30,333 --> 01:18:33,709
be able to raise my kids,
3260
01:18:33,750 --> 01:18:35,375
have a family,
3261
01:18:35,417 --> 01:18:37,792
get a job somewhere,
3262
01:18:35,417 --> 01:18:37,792
and then lead a normal life.
3263
01:18:38,583 --> 01:18:40,583
[somber music]
3264
01:18:52,625 --> 01:18:54,625
[Kevin] Hello. I'm Kevin Dietz
3265
01:18:52,625 --> 01:18:54,625
with a breaking news story.
3266
01:18:54,667 --> 01:18:55,959
A decision is in
3267
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,417
on the Richard Wershe
3268
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,417
"White Boy Rick" case.
3269
01:18:58,458 --> 01:19:01,125
The parole board has voted,
3270
01:18:58,458 --> 01:19:01,125
and they have voted
3271
01:19:01,166 --> 01:19:03,083
to parole Richard Wershe.
3272
01:19:03,125 --> 01:19:06,542
He will be freed
3273
01:19:03,125 --> 01:19:06,542
of his life sentence in prison
3274
01:19:06,583 --> 01:19:08,083
-in the state of Michigan.
3275
01:19:06,583 --> 01:19:08,083
-[clapping]
3276
01:19:08,125 --> 01:19:09,542
Oh, my God!
3277
01:19:09,583 --> 01:19:11,417
-[clapping]
3278
01:19:09,583 --> 01:19:11,417
-[chuckles]
3279
01:19:11,458 --> 01:19:12,500
- Is that it?
3280
01:19:12,542 --> 01:19:13,500
[Darlene] He did it.
3281
01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:17,667
[Wershe]
3282
01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:17,667
The administrative assistant
3283
01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:17,667
came and called me in the office
3284
01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:17,667
and-
3285
01:19:17,709 --> 01:19:20,667
-he basically told me, "Listen,
3286
01:19:17,709 --> 01:19:20,667
it's over."
3287
01:19:20,709 --> 01:19:23,333
"You're done. Michigan paroled
3288
01:19:20,709 --> 01:19:23,333
you."
3289
01:19:23,375 --> 01:19:24,375
And what did you do?
3290
01:19:25,667 --> 01:19:29,750
[Wershe]
3291
01:19:25,667 --> 01:19:29,750
I cried man.
3292
01:19:29,792 --> 01:19:30,709
I cried.
3293
01:19:44,667 --> 01:19:46,667
[dramatic music]
3294
01:22:22,250 --> 01:22:23,583
[splatters]
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