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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,375 --> 00:00:13,375 {\an8}[waves splashing] 2 00:00:22,458 --> 00:00:25,750 {\an8}-[camera shutters clicking] 3 00:00:22,458 --> 00:00:25,750 -[indistinct chatter] 4 00:00:29,834 --> 00:00:31,959 [Dana] Um, we're here today 5 00:00:29,834 --> 00:00:31,959 on a motion for relief 6 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,458 from judgement filed 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,458 by Mr. Wershe. 8 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,041 As both parties know, 9 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,041 the parties are not... 10 00:00:37,083 --> 00:00:39,500 {\an8}[Wershe] 11 00:00:37,083 --> 00:00:39,500 Being in prison 12 00:00:37,083 --> 00:00:39,500 the last 29 years- 13 00:00:39,542 --> 00:00:41,417 is like being dead. 14 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,959 {\an8}[Dana] 15 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,959 "Now based on my readings of... 16 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,959 [Wershe] 17 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,959 The only connection I have 18 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,959 to the free world- 19 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,834 is this telephone. 20 00:00:53,750 --> 00:00:55,834 You see your kids grow up- 21 00:00:55,875 --> 00:00:57,959 but you have no part 22 00:00:55,875 --> 00:00:57,959 of anything. 23 00:00:59,667 --> 00:01:02,458 It's like living in 24 00:00:59,667 --> 00:01:02,458 the ultimate purgatory. 25 00:01:02,500 --> 00:01:03,709 [Dana] "The case law 26 00:01:02,500 --> 00:01:03,709 over the last decade 27 00:01:03,750 --> 00:01:05,208 has demanded 28 00:01:03,750 --> 00:01:05,208 {\an8}that we treat juveniles 29 00:01:05,250 --> 00:01:07,291 {\an8}constitutionally different 30 00:01:05,250 --> 00:01:07,291 than adults. 31 00:01:07,917 --> 00:01:09,917 That difference requires us 32 00:01:07,917 --> 00:01:09,917 to consider 33 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:11,417 the defendant's age 34 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:11,417 at the time when crime... " 35 00:01:21,834 --> 00:01:23,875 [Wershe] 36 00:01:21,834 --> 00:01:23,875 Sitting here in front 37 00:01:21,834 --> 00:01:23,875 of the judge- 38 00:01:24,208 --> 00:01:25,500 scared as hell- 39 00:01:26,333 --> 00:01:29,375 I know this is the best chance 40 00:01:26,333 --> 00:01:29,375 {\an8}of getting my life back. 41 00:01:30,417 --> 00:01:34,083 {\an8}And I know everything rides 42 00:01:30,417 --> 00:01:34,083 {\an8}on what this judge is 43 00:01:30,417 --> 00:01:34,083 about to say. 44 00:01:35,834 --> 00:01:37,583 Everyone knows who I am- 45 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,291 but no one knows the 46 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,291 real reason I'm in here. 47 00:01:41,166 --> 00:01:43,166 [splatters] 48 00:01:45,875 --> 00:01:47,166 [Chris] The teenage drug dealer 49 00:01:47,208 --> 00:01:48,458 nicknamed "White Boy Rick," 50 00:01:48,500 --> 00:01:50,375 was busted at age 17. 51 00:01:50,417 --> 00:01:53,041 {\an8}And has served 28 years 52 00:01:50,417 --> 00:01:53,041 {\an8}behind bars, 53 00:01:53,083 --> 00:01:54,583 {\an8}the longest ever in Michigan 54 00:01:54,625 --> 00:01:56,583 for a non-violent juvenile. 55 00:01:56,625 --> 00:01:58,000 {\an8}[Steve] You're not gonna 56 00:01:56,625 --> 00:01:58,000 {\an8}convince any judge 57 00:01:58,041 --> 00:01:59,291 {\an8}in this day and age 58 00:01:59,333 --> 00:02:01,500 that somebody deserves life 59 00:01:59,333 --> 00:02:01,500 for selling drugs. 60 00:02:01,542 --> 00:02:03,041 How many of you have heard 61 00:02:03,083 --> 00:02:05,166 about the drug problem 62 00:02:03,083 --> 00:02:05,166 in our schools? 63 00:02:05,208 --> 00:02:07,208 {\an8}The only thing 64 00:02:05,208 --> 00:02:07,208 {\an8}that I legitimately remember 65 00:02:07,250 --> 00:02:08,667 {\an8}about the War on Drugs 66 00:02:07,250 --> 00:02:08,667 in the '80s 67 00:02:08,709 --> 00:02:10,000 when I was a child, 68 00:02:10,041 --> 00:02:12,542 was seeing Nancy Reagan 69 00:02:10,041 --> 00:02:12,542 on Diff'rent Strokes, 70 00:02:12,583 --> 00:02:15,083 telling, you know, Gary Coleman, 71 00:02:12,583 --> 00:02:15,083 "Just say no." 72 00:02:15,125 --> 00:02:17,583 All drugs are dumb. 73 00:02:17,625 --> 00:02:20,041 [Scott] He was moving kilos. 74 00:02:20,083 --> 00:02:22,458 {\an8}When you're 17 years old 75 00:02:20,083 --> 00:02:22,458 {\an8}and you're moving kilos, 76 00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:24,917 {\an8}you know, you're at a status 77 00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:24,917 of drug dealer 78 00:02:24,959 --> 00:02:27,375 that most 17-year-olds 79 00:02:24,959 --> 00:02:27,375 don't reach. 80 00:02:27,417 --> 00:02:28,917 And I'll tell you 81 00:02:27,417 --> 00:02:28,917 from what I can see 82 00:02:28,959 --> 00:02:30,583 as a judge now, 83 00:02:30,625 --> 00:02:32,125 the War on Drugs is over, 84 00:02:32,166 --> 00:02:33,750 and drugs won. 85 00:02:33,792 --> 00:02:37,166 [Joe] Young Boys Incorporated, 86 00:02:33,792 --> 00:02:37,166 originally, was the gang 87 00:02:37,208 --> 00:02:39,333 that really institutionalized 88 00:02:39,375 --> 00:02:42,375 {\an8}and industrialized 89 00:02:39,375 --> 00:02:42,375 {\an8}the distribution of heroine. 90 00:02:42,417 --> 00:02:44,583 {\an8}Detroit's heroin market 91 00:02:42,417 --> 00:02:44,583 gave way to cocaine 92 00:02:44,625 --> 00:02:46,917 which quickly gave way 93 00:02:44,625 --> 00:02:46,917 to crack cocaine. 94 00:02:47,375 --> 00:02:49,542 [Tom Brokaw] Crack is a plague 95 00:02:49,583 --> 00:02:51,500 of the inner cities 96 00:02:49,583 --> 00:02:51,500 in this country, 97 00:02:49,583 --> 00:02:51,500 and that's been especially true 98 00:02:49,583 --> 00:02:51,500 in Detroit. 99 00:02:51,542 --> 00:02:54,125 [Kevin] The city, literally, 100 00:02:51,542 --> 00:02:54,125 right in front of your eyes 101 00:02:54,166 --> 00:02:55,333 was falling apart. 102 00:02:55,375 --> 00:02:56,625 {\an8}It was chaos. 103 00:02:56,667 --> 00:02:58,750 {\an8}And nobody knew 104 00:02:56,667 --> 00:02:58,750 {\an8}how to handle it. 105 00:02:58,792 --> 00:02:59,834 This chamber here holds 106 00:02:59,875 --> 00:03:01,583 12 shotgun shells 107 00:02:59,875 --> 00:03:01,583 and everything... 108 00:03:01,625 --> 00:03:04,625 As part of a five-part series 109 00:03:01,625 --> 00:03:04,625 on the crack problem, 110 00:03:04,667 --> 00:03:07,542 I went on dozens and dozens 111 00:03:04,667 --> 00:03:07,542 and dozens 112 00:03:07,583 --> 00:03:09,583 of narcotics raids 113 00:03:09,625 --> 00:03:11,709 with the No Crack Task Force. 114 00:03:11,750 --> 00:03:13,667 -[policeman #1] Police! 115 00:03:11,750 --> 00:03:13,667 -[policeman #2] Get them out! 116 00:03:13,709 --> 00:03:16,375 -[clatters] 117 00:03:13,709 --> 00:03:16,375 -[shatters] 118 00:03:16,417 --> 00:03:18,208 It was crazy. 119 00:03:18,250 --> 00:03:20,125 I mean, today, you probably 120 00:03:18,250 --> 00:03:20,125 wouldn't get away with that. 121 00:03:20,166 --> 00:03:22,333 [Chris] Agents say 122 00:03:20,166 --> 00:03:22,333 the gang was well armed. 123 00:03:22,375 --> 00:03:23,583 In many of the homes, 124 00:03:22,375 --> 00:03:23,583 they found assault weapons. 125 00:03:23,625 --> 00:03:25,125 {\an8}It was very, very violent. 126 00:03:25,166 --> 00:03:26,917 {\an8}We had officers shot, 127 00:03:26,959 --> 00:03:28,542 {\an8}uh, a couple of them killed. 128 00:03:28,583 --> 00:03:31,083 And I was right 129 00:03:28,583 --> 00:03:31,083 in the middle of it. 130 00:03:31,125 --> 00:03:32,917 [Herm] I was on, uh, 131 00:03:31,125 --> 00:03:32,917 the drug squad for the FBI. 132 00:03:32,959 --> 00:03:35,000 But in the course 133 00:03:32,959 --> 00:03:35,000 of some of these raids, 134 00:03:35,041 --> 00:03:38,125 they discovered a cache 135 00:03:35,041 --> 00:03:38,125 of videotapes. 136 00:03:38,834 --> 00:03:40,250 [Chris] And this is one 137 00:03:38,834 --> 00:03:40,250 of the drug homes 138 00:03:40,291 --> 00:03:41,500 owned by the Chambers Brothers, 139 00:03:41,542 --> 00:03:42,875 the notorious drug gang. 140 00:03:42,917 --> 00:03:45,083 [gang member #1] 141 00:03:42,917 --> 00:03:45,083 Money, money, money! 142 00:03:45,125 --> 00:03:46,500 We're rich, goddamn it! 143 00:03:47,333 --> 00:03:50,458 A hundred and fifty 144 00:03:47,333 --> 00:03:50,458 thousand dollars. Cash. 145 00:03:50,500 --> 00:03:52,166 [Chris] 146 00:03:50,500 --> 00:03:52,166 They go through the homes. 147 00:03:52,208 --> 00:03:54,417 The faucets, 24 karat gold. 148 00:03:54,458 --> 00:03:56,500 And this was amazing stuff. 149 00:03:56,542 --> 00:03:57,583 {\an8}[William] Once upon a time, 150 00:03:57,625 --> 00:03:59,875 {\an8}drug dealers was truly idolized. 151 00:03:59,917 --> 00:04:02,625 {\an8}They had all the man toys 152 00:03:59,917 --> 00:04:02,625 {\an8}that they wanted. 153 00:04:02,667 --> 00:04:05,083 {\an8}Cars, planes, housing, 154 00:04:05,125 --> 00:04:06,709 weapons. 155 00:04:06,750 --> 00:04:08,458 [Gregg] 156 00:04:06,750 --> 00:04:08,458 The money was just unlimited. 157 00:04:08,500 --> 00:04:10,125 {\an8}And it becomes a problem 158 00:04:10,166 --> 00:04:12,291 {\an8}because it's a cash business. 159 00:04:12,333 --> 00:04:13,709 {\an8}[gang member #1] Should we 160 00:04:12,333 --> 00:04:13,709 throw these ones away, man, 161 00:04:13,750 --> 00:04:15,250 since we got $500,000? 162 00:04:15,291 --> 00:04:17,500 What do you do 163 00:04:15,291 --> 00:04:17,500 with all that cash? 164 00:04:17,542 --> 00:04:19,125 [gang member #2] 165 00:04:17,542 --> 00:04:19,125 I tell you what we can do, 166 00:04:19,166 --> 00:04:20,959 we can give it to the poor. 167 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,291 [gang member #1] 168 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,291 That's exactly what I said, too, 169 00:04:22,333 --> 00:04:24,500 we'll just donate those 170 00:04:22,333 --> 00:04:24,500 to the poor. 171 00:04:24,542 --> 00:04:26,875 It seemed like every week, 172 00:04:26,917 --> 00:04:30,250 {\an7}a new drug gang emerged. 173 00:04:30,291 --> 00:04:31,750 {\an7}The Chambers Brothers, 174 00:04:31,792 --> 00:04:33,542 {\an7}Best Friends, 175 00:04:33,583 --> 00:04:36,667 {\an7}Young Boys Incorporated, 176 00:04:33,583 --> 00:04:36,667 {\an7}Maserati Rick, 177 00:04:36,709 --> 00:04:39,041 {\an7}Johnny Curry and Leo Curry 178 00:04:39,083 --> 00:04:41,667 {\an7}had started a drug organization. 179 00:04:41,709 --> 00:04:43,208 {\an7}[Johnny] Say, for instance, 180 00:04:41,709 --> 00:04:43,208 I got a key of cocaine, 181 00:04:43,250 --> 00:04:44,834 {\an8}and two or three keys 182 00:04:43,250 --> 00:04:44,834 {\an8}of cocaine. 183 00:04:44,875 --> 00:04:47,291 {\an8}You might have 184 00:04:44,875 --> 00:04:47,291 a hundred bales of weed. 185 00:04:47,333 --> 00:04:49,959 I make more off this cocaine 186 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,166 than you do off the weed 187 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,166 with less headaches. 188 00:04:52,875 --> 00:04:54,959 That's how I got into that game. 189 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,834 When we talk 190 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,834 about Young Boys Incorporated, 191 00:04:57,875 --> 00:04:59,834 or the Chambers Brothers, 192 00:04:59,875 --> 00:05:04,542 there's not one single 193 00:04:59,875 --> 00:05:04,542 white person involved 194 00:05:04,583 --> 00:05:06,291 in any of those gangs. 195 00:05:06,333 --> 00:05:08,291 [upbeat music] 196 00:05:10,583 --> 00:05:12,375 [Chris] During the coverage 197 00:05:10,583 --> 00:05:12,375 of the Chambers Brothers, 198 00:05:12,417 --> 00:05:15,750 I had a conversation 199 00:05:12,417 --> 00:05:15,750 with a source or sources 200 00:05:15,792 --> 00:05:16,792 who said, "You know, 201 00:05:15,792 --> 00:05:16,792 there's this kid 202 00:05:16,834 --> 00:05:17,875 who's dealing cocaine. 203 00:05:19,208 --> 00:05:20,917 Richard Wershe, Jr. He's 17. 204 00:05:22,041 --> 00:05:23,875 And he's white, 205 00:05:23,917 --> 00:05:25,583 in a largely 206 00:05:23,917 --> 00:05:25,583 black-dominated world. 207 00:05:26,291 --> 00:05:28,083 And his nickname 208 00:05:26,291 --> 00:05:28,083 is "White Boy Rick." 209 00:05:28,125 --> 00:05:29,417 [Chris] The teenage drug dealer 210 00:05:29,458 --> 00:05:30,750 nicknamed "White Boy Rick." 211 00:05:30,792 --> 00:05:32,083 [reporter #2] "White Boy Rick." 212 00:05:32,125 --> 00:05:33,625 [reporter #3] "White Boy Rick." 213 00:05:33,667 --> 00:05:35,583 [reporter #2] 214 00:05:33,667 --> 00:05:35,583 His name is Richard Wershe, Jr. 215 00:05:35,625 --> 00:05:37,125 [Joe] One of the things 216 00:05:35,625 --> 00:05:37,125 {\an8}you don't wanna do 217 00:05:37,166 --> 00:05:38,750 {\an8}if you're a criminal, 218 00:05:38,792 --> 00:05:40,834 {\an8}I would advise you 219 00:05:38,792 --> 00:05:40,834 never to get a nickname 220 00:05:40,875 --> 00:05:42,834 and especially, 221 00:05:40,875 --> 00:05:42,834 a really catchy nickname. 222 00:05:43,375 --> 00:05:45,667 [Scott] I just remember 223 00:05:43,375 --> 00:05:45,667 the name and the face. 224 00:05:46,667 --> 00:05:48,709 I recall me and my friends 225 00:05:46,667 --> 00:05:48,709 {\an8}joking around 226 00:05:48,750 --> 00:05:50,792 {\an8}when we were 16, 17 227 00:05:48,750 --> 00:05:50,792 {\an8}in the suburbs, 228 00:05:50,834 --> 00:05:53,917 and someone would be 229 00:05:50,834 --> 00:05:53,917 dealing weed out of his car 230 00:05:53,959 --> 00:05:55,792 and we joked, 231 00:05:53,959 --> 00:05:55,792 "Oh, who do you think you are, 232 00:05:55,834 --> 00:05:56,709 White Boy Rick?" 233 00:05:56,750 --> 00:05:58,834 [Seth] In the 1990s, 234 00:05:58,875 --> 00:06:00,625 when I first entered 235 00:05:58,875 --> 00:06:00,625 the federal prison system, 236 00:06:00,667 --> 00:06:02,667 you hear about all 237 00:06:00,667 --> 00:06:02,667 the different street legends 238 00:06:02,709 --> 00:06:03,959 {\an8}from the different cities. 239 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,917 {\an8}I, I was mainly 240 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,917 {\an8}on the East Coast, 241 00:06:05,959 --> 00:06:07,458 but one of the guys, 242 00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:09,125 you know, that there 243 00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:09,125 was a lot of talk about, 244 00:06:09,166 --> 00:06:10,834 was White Boy Rick. 245 00:06:10,875 --> 00:06:13,709 And, to me, I was 246 00:06:10,875 --> 00:06:13,709 kinda mesmerized, because, 247 00:06:13,750 --> 00:06:15,208 you know, being 248 00:06:13,750 --> 00:06:15,208 a white drug dealer myself, 249 00:06:15,250 --> 00:06:16,959 in the suburbs and in colleges, 250 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,875 I was like, 251 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,875 "Who was this white kid 252 00:06:18,917 --> 00:06:21,166 you know, that was supposedly 253 00:06:18,917 --> 00:06:21,166 running all these black gangs 254 00:06:21,208 --> 00:06:23,125 and running 255 00:06:21,208 --> 00:06:23,125 the city of Detroit?" 256 00:06:23,166 --> 00:06:24,125 At that time, 257 00:06:25,875 --> 00:06:27,875 I really didn't know anything 258 00:06:25,875 --> 00:06:27,875 about White Boy Rick. 259 00:06:27,917 --> 00:06:29,834 {\an7}[Scott] I didn't know 260 00:06:27,917 --> 00:06:29,834 {\an7}who Rick Wershe was. 261 00:06:29,875 --> 00:06:31,709 {\an7}I just knew 262 00:06:29,875 --> 00:06:31,709 {\an7}there was this caricature, 263 00:06:31,750 --> 00:06:33,917 almost like 264 00:06:31,750 --> 00:06:33,917 {\an7}a comic book character 265 00:06:33,959 --> 00:06:35,458 {\an7}being splashed across 266 00:06:33,959 --> 00:06:35,458 {\an7}the newspapers all the time. 267 00:06:37,250 --> 00:06:39,208 {\an7}He had to be at least 15, 268 00:06:37,250 --> 00:06:39,208 {\an8}16 years old when I met him. 269 00:06:39,250 --> 00:06:41,125 {\an8}[Johnny] But he was smart. 270 00:06:41,166 --> 00:06:43,166 {\an8}He was socializing 271 00:06:41,166 --> 00:06:43,166 {\an8}and doing business 272 00:06:43,208 --> 00:06:45,083 {\an8}with the biggest drug dealers 273 00:06:43,208 --> 00:06:45,083 in Detroit. 274 00:06:45,125 --> 00:06:46,750 We all bought motorcycles 275 00:06:45,125 --> 00:06:46,750 together, 276 00:06:46,792 --> 00:06:48,792 rolled up to see my brother 277 00:06:46,792 --> 00:06:48,792 {\an7}in prison together. 278 00:06:49,500 --> 00:06:52,458 {\an7}[Scott] It became 279 00:06:49,500 --> 00:06:52,458 {\an7}a very iconic moniker. 280 00:06:52,500 --> 00:06:55,375 It has been name-dropped 281 00:06:52,500 --> 00:06:55,375 in Kid Rock songs. 282 00:06:55,417 --> 00:06:57,375 [Kid Rock] ♪ Got more cash 283 00:06:55,417 --> 00:06:57,375 Than White Boy Rick ♪ 284 00:06:57,917 --> 00:07:00,000 [Scott] Johnny Curry 285 00:06:57,917 --> 00:07:00,000 would buy him a mink coat. 286 00:07:00,041 --> 00:07:01,625 They'd walk around 287 00:07:00,041 --> 00:07:01,625 with their twin mink coats. 288 00:07:02,041 --> 00:07:03,667 {\an8}To integrate like he did, 289 00:07:03,709 --> 00:07:05,875 {\an8}I mean, that's not... 290 00:07:03,709 --> 00:07:05,875 {\an8}Not everyone can do that. 291 00:07:05,917 --> 00:07:08,166 And my point is, 292 00:07:05,917 --> 00:07:08,166 he wasn't a poser. 293 00:07:08,208 --> 00:07:09,709 That's who he was. 294 00:07:09,750 --> 00:07:11,166 He was a product 295 00:07:09,750 --> 00:07:11,166 {\an8}of his environment. 296 00:07:11,208 --> 00:07:13,000 {\an8}He was a white kid 297 00:07:11,208 --> 00:07:13,000 {\an8}that was brought up 298 00:07:13,041 --> 00:07:16,709 his... basically, his whole life 299 00:07:13,041 --> 00:07:16,709 around all black people. 300 00:07:16,750 --> 00:07:18,750 A lot of the DPD 301 00:07:18,792 --> 00:07:21,000 that were working in the Detroit 302 00:07:18,792 --> 00:07:21,000 drug scene at that time, 303 00:07:21,041 --> 00:07:22,792 knew Rick was a race traitor. 304 00:07:22,834 --> 00:07:24,959 They did not like the fact 305 00:07:22,834 --> 00:07:24,959 that he talked black, 306 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,375 that he acted black, 307 00:07:26,417 --> 00:07:28,041 that he dated black women, 308 00:07:28,083 --> 00:07:31,667 and definitely didn't like 309 00:07:28,083 --> 00:07:31,667 14 to 15-year-old kids 310 00:07:31,709 --> 00:07:33,291 rolling around in BMWs, 311 00:07:33,333 --> 00:07:35,625 and flashing cash wads 312 00:07:35,667 --> 00:07:37,792 that equal more 313 00:07:35,667 --> 00:07:37,792 than their entire paycheck 314 00:07:37,834 --> 00:07:38,917 for the whole year. 315 00:07:38,959 --> 00:07:40,125 {\an8}Half million a week. 316 00:07:40,166 --> 00:07:42,000 {\an8}Two million dollars a month. 317 00:07:42,041 --> 00:07:43,959 {\an8}[Scott] It bred a lot of resent. 318 00:07:49,959 --> 00:07:51,583 -[gunshots] 319 00:07:49,959 --> 00:07:51,583 -[police dispatcher] Dispatch 8. 320 00:07:51,625 --> 00:07:54,041 There were sections 321 00:07:51,625 --> 00:07:54,041 of the city in the mid '80s 322 00:07:54,083 --> 00:07:55,667 that were war zones. 323 00:07:55,709 --> 00:07:56,959 [reporter #4] 324 00:07:55,709 --> 00:07:56,959 This drug operation 325 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,166 was so heavily-fortified, 326 00:07:59,208 --> 00:08:00,667 that police could not 327 00:07:59,208 --> 00:08:00,667 get through the front door. 328 00:08:00,709 --> 00:08:01,917 -[police dispatcher] Calling in. 329 00:08:00,709 --> 00:08:01,917 -[thuds] 330 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:03,333 -[man #1] Oh! 331 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:03,333 -[man #2] Ooh. 332 00:08:03,375 --> 00:08:04,709 [Scott] In Detroit in the 1980s, 333 00:08:04,750 --> 00:08:06,625 there were dozens upon dozens 334 00:08:06,667 --> 00:08:07,750 of proficient, 335 00:08:06,667 --> 00:08:07,750 professional killers. 336 00:08:07,792 --> 00:08:09,125 The most menacing, 337 00:08:09,166 --> 00:08:11,166 the most feared, 338 00:08:11,208 --> 00:08:12,959 was without question, 339 00:08:11,208 --> 00:08:12,959 Nate "Boone" Craft. 340 00:08:13,542 --> 00:08:15,083 [Nate] In the '80s, 341 00:08:15,125 --> 00:08:16,792 I was a hitman 342 00:08:16,834 --> 00:08:20,500 {\an8}that worked for many different 343 00:08:16,834 --> 00:08:20,500 {\an8}drug lords and kingpin. 344 00:08:20,542 --> 00:08:23,041 {\an8}Even some that weren't even 345 00:08:20,542 --> 00:08:23,041 in this country. 346 00:08:23,083 --> 00:08:25,291 [reporter #5] Law officers say 347 00:08:23,083 --> 00:08:25,291 there are direct links now 348 00:08:25,333 --> 00:08:27,875 between gangs 349 00:08:25,333 --> 00:08:27,875 and Colombian drug dealers. 350 00:08:27,917 --> 00:08:30,041 They were hiring me to do hits. 351 00:08:30,083 --> 00:08:32,583 [Nate] I was, uh, involved 352 00:08:30,083 --> 00:08:32,583 with about 30 murders. 353 00:08:32,625 --> 00:08:35,083 I was responsible 354 00:08:32,625 --> 00:08:35,083 for almost 30 murders. 355 00:08:35,125 --> 00:08:37,291 They paid 50,000 and up. 356 00:08:37,625 --> 00:08:39,250 And I was looking to gain. 357 00:08:39,291 --> 00:08:40,750 Anything that was 50,000, 358 00:08:40,792 --> 00:08:42,333 I'll always will be, 359 00:08:40,792 --> 00:08:42,333 "Come on with it. 360 00:08:43,041 --> 00:08:44,625 What do you want? 361 00:08:43,041 --> 00:08:44,625 The guy's head? 362 00:08:44,667 --> 00:08:47,500 You want his arm? 363 00:08:44,667 --> 00:08:47,500 You want his private part?" 364 00:08:47,542 --> 00:08:49,375 [reporter #6] Rice was in charge 365 00:08:49,417 --> 00:08:50,500 of the Detroit Police 366 00:08:49,417 --> 00:08:50,500 {\an8}Department's 367 00:08:50,542 --> 00:08:52,041 {\an8}Homicide Division. 368 00:08:52,083 --> 00:08:54,000 {\an8}Crack cocaine changed 369 00:08:52,083 --> 00:08:54,000 the whole complexion 370 00:08:54,041 --> 00:08:57,834 of homicide cases 371 00:08:54,041 --> 00:08:57,834 in the city of Detroit. 372 00:08:57,875 --> 00:09:01,291 {\an8}We were actually having 373 00:08:57,875 --> 00:09:01,291 {\an8}almost 800 homicides per year. 374 00:09:01,333 --> 00:09:05,625 {\an8}Probably 85% 375 00:09:01,333 --> 00:09:05,625 {\an8}was due in some part 376 00:09:05,667 --> 00:09:07,625 {\an8}to the narcotics trade. 377 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,041 {\an8}Now this is what happens to you 378 00:09:12,083 --> 00:09:15,542 {\an8}when you become a gangster, 379 00:09:12,083 --> 00:09:15,542 {\an8}a hitman, or whatever. 380 00:09:15,583 --> 00:09:16,917 {\an8}You get shot up. 381 00:09:16,959 --> 00:09:20,041 {\an8}Either you didn't pay 382 00:09:16,959 --> 00:09:20,041 {\an8}what you owe me, 383 00:09:20,083 --> 00:09:22,709 {\an8}or jealousy takes over. 384 00:09:22,750 --> 00:09:25,083 {\an8}Leg, tore up. 385 00:09:25,125 --> 00:09:26,417 {\an8}I had to walk with a cane. 386 00:09:27,083 --> 00:09:29,959 {\an8}AK. I can't even move my hands. 387 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,750 {\an8}Shotgun blast. 388 00:09:31,792 --> 00:09:34,000 {\an8}They hit me with everything, 389 00:09:31,792 --> 00:09:34,000 {\an8}nine in the back. 390 00:09:34,041 --> 00:09:35,166 {\an8}I'm like the Grim Reaper. 391 00:09:35,208 --> 00:09:36,625 {\an8}If you make my list, 392 00:09:35,208 --> 00:09:36,625 {\an8}I'm coming for you, 393 00:09:36,667 --> 00:09:38,250 {\an8}whether you're good or bad. 394 00:09:38,291 --> 00:09:41,250 {\an8}White people have left this city 395 00:09:38,291 --> 00:09:41,250 {\an8}in record numbers. 396 00:09:41,291 --> 00:09:44,083 {\an8}It goes from almost 397 00:09:41,291 --> 00:09:44,083 {\an8}two million people, 398 00:09:44,125 --> 00:09:46,250 {\an8}now it's down 399 00:09:44,125 --> 00:09:46,250 {\an8}to a million people. 400 00:09:46,291 --> 00:09:47,917 {\an8}[Ralph] Today, 401 00:09:46,291 --> 00:09:47,917 {\an8}we're probably down 402 00:09:47,959 --> 00:09:49,875 {\an8}to 600,000 people. 403 00:09:52,041 --> 00:09:54,250 {\an8}[Scott] Rick grew up 404 00:09:52,041 --> 00:09:54,250 {\an8}on the east side of Detroit 405 00:09:54,291 --> 00:09:56,542 {\an8}which is, uh, notoriously 406 00:09:54,291 --> 00:09:56,542 {\an8}a very tough, tough area. 407 00:09:56,583 --> 00:09:57,917 {\an8}We were very normal. 408 00:09:57,959 --> 00:09:59,417 {\an8}We were a normal family 409 00:09:57,959 --> 00:09:59,417 {\an8}coming up. 410 00:09:59,458 --> 00:10:01,542 {\an8}My grandparents 411 00:09:59,458 --> 00:10:01,542 {\an8}lived across the street from us. 412 00:10:01,583 --> 00:10:04,250 {\an8}[Dawn] And it was my brother, 413 00:10:01,583 --> 00:10:04,250 {\an8}and my dad and I, and... 414 00:10:04,291 --> 00:10:07,583 {\an8}[Darlene] Rick's father and I 415 00:10:04,291 --> 00:10:07,583 {\an8}divorced when Rick was 5. 416 00:10:08,041 --> 00:10:10,959 {\an8}And they stayed with him 417 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,542 {\an8}at the house 418 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,542 {\an8}which I wasn't happy about. 419 00:10:13,583 --> 00:10:15,959 {\an8}But they wanted to be there, 420 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,709 {\an8}so I left them. 421 00:10:19,667 --> 00:10:20,917 {\an8}[Dawn] It went, you know, 422 00:10:19,667 --> 00:10:20,917 from a nice, 423 00:10:20,959 --> 00:10:22,000 working class neighborhood 424 00:10:22,041 --> 00:10:23,417 regardless of race or color, 425 00:10:23,959 --> 00:10:25,917 to just horrible. 426 00:10:25,959 --> 00:10:27,625 Like, there was crack houses 427 00:10:27,667 --> 00:10:28,500 across the street 428 00:10:27,667 --> 00:10:28,500 from our house. 429 00:10:30,875 --> 00:10:32,208 My grandmother, I remember her 430 00:10:30,875 --> 00:10:32,208 getting robbed for her purse 431 00:10:32,250 --> 00:10:33,375 in her own driveway. 432 00:10:33,417 --> 00:10:34,333 I mean, it was bad. 433 00:10:36,208 --> 00:10:37,500 [Scott] He played 434 00:10:36,208 --> 00:10:37,500 {\an8}Little League Baseball. 435 00:10:37,542 --> 00:10:39,041 {\an8}He was the star 436 00:10:37,542 --> 00:10:39,041 {\an8}of his league baseball team, 437 00:10:39,083 --> 00:10:40,125 {\an8}a pitcher. 438 00:10:40,166 --> 00:10:42,083 {\an8}Eventually, he went out 439 00:10:42,125 --> 00:10:43,458 {\an8}and spent his eighth-grade year 440 00:10:42,125 --> 00:10:43,458 {\an8}out in the suburbs 441 00:10:43,500 --> 00:10:44,917 {\an8}in Macomb County with his mom. 442 00:10:44,959 --> 00:10:46,625 {\an8}He did really well out there. 443 00:10:46,667 --> 00:10:49,166 {\an8}He got good grades, 444 00:10:46,667 --> 00:10:49,166 {\an8}he was popular in the school. 445 00:10:49,208 --> 00:10:52,917 {\an8}But he was seeing his father 446 00:10:49,208 --> 00:10:52,917 {\an8}on occasion, 447 00:10:52,959 --> 00:10:55,041 {\an8}and he decided 448 00:10:52,959 --> 00:10:55,041 {\an8}to go back with him. 449 00:10:55,834 --> 00:10:59,166 {\an8}[Scott] 450 00:10:55,834 --> 00:10:59,166 {\an8}Richard Sr. was a gun dealer... 451 00:11:00,041 --> 00:11:01,291 {\an8}street hustler. 452 00:11:01,333 --> 00:11:03,667 {\an8}And the joke became, you know, 453 00:11:03,709 --> 00:11:06,125 {\an8}that there was White Dad Rick, 454 00:11:03,709 --> 00:11:06,125 {\an8}and White Boy Rick. 455 00:11:07,208 --> 00:11:09,208 {\an8}[Scott] Rick himself, 456 00:11:07,208 --> 00:11:09,208 {\an8}really idolized his father, 457 00:11:09,250 --> 00:11:12,291 and spent most of his childhood 458 00:11:09,250 --> 00:11:12,291 at his father's side. 459 00:11:12,333 --> 00:11:14,083 To the point 460 00:11:12,333 --> 00:11:14,083 where he was kinda known 461 00:11:14,125 --> 00:11:15,375 in those gun shows 462 00:11:15,417 --> 00:11:18,041 when he was 11, 463 00:11:15,417 --> 00:11:18,041 12, 13 years old, 464 00:11:18,083 --> 00:11:19,250 as like one 465 00:11:18,083 --> 00:11:19,250 of the best salesmen 466 00:11:19,291 --> 00:11:20,917 at those gun shows. 467 00:11:20,959 --> 00:11:22,917 It was an adventurous life. 468 00:11:22,959 --> 00:11:24,291 [Herm] I mean, 469 00:11:22,959 --> 00:11:24,291 it was cowboys and Indians 470 00:11:24,333 --> 00:11:26,083 in Detroit at that time. 471 00:11:26,125 --> 00:11:27,542 And he just got caught up in it. 472 00:11:28,250 --> 00:11:30,000 {\an8}[Se Everything that I knew, 473 00:11:30,041 --> 00:11:32,166 {\an8}you know, that was like 474 00:11:30,041 --> 00:11:32,166 {\an8}the glamorized version 475 00:11:32,208 --> 00:11:33,875 {\an8}of White Boy Rick. 476 00:11:33,917 --> 00:11:35,834 But once I started talking 477 00:11:33,917 --> 00:11:35,834 to him, 478 00:11:35,875 --> 00:11:37,834 and researching the case 479 00:11:35,875 --> 00:11:37,834 with all the documents 480 00:11:37,875 --> 00:11:39,250 and newspaper articles 481 00:11:37,875 --> 00:11:39,250 and court records, 482 00:11:39,291 --> 00:11:41,166 I found a very different 483 00:11:39,291 --> 00:11:41,166 story emerged. 484 00:11:42,417 --> 00:11:44,291 [male ad narrator] 485 00:11:42,417 --> 00:11:44,291 One out of every five people 486 00:11:44,333 --> 00:11:46,250 who try cocaine get hooked. 487 00:11:47,250 --> 00:11:49,291 But that's not your problem. 488 00:11:49,333 --> 00:11:50,291 [sniffs] 489 00:11:50,834 --> 00:11:52,709 -[children laughing] 490 00:11:50,834 --> 00:11:52,709 -[male ad narrator] Or is it? 491 00:11:52,750 --> 00:11:53,875 [slams] 492 00:11:55,750 --> 00:11:58,625 [Ralph] 493 00:11:55,750 --> 00:11:58,625 What the legislators tried to do 494 00:11:58,667 --> 00:12:01,250 was make the law so harsh 495 00:12:01,291 --> 00:12:03,583 that people would think twice 496 00:12:03,625 --> 00:12:05,291 before getting 497 00:12:03,625 --> 00:12:05,291 into the drug trade. 498 00:12:05,625 --> 00:12:06,959 {\an8}Now we're gonna pass the statute 499 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,542 {\an8}that provides 500 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,542 {\an8}for mandatory life. 501 00:12:08,583 --> 00:12:09,917 [Steve] 502 00:12:08,583 --> 00:12:09,917 Anybody who's in possession 503 00:12:09,959 --> 00:12:11,917 of over 650 grams of cocaine, 504 00:12:11,959 --> 00:12:13,959 they got convicted, 505 00:12:11,959 --> 00:12:13,959 they got mandatory life. 506 00:12:14,792 --> 00:12:16,291 [Scott] Hundreds of people 507 00:12:14,792 --> 00:12:16,291 were prosecuted 508 00:12:16,333 --> 00:12:17,709 underneath the 650 Law, 509 00:12:17,750 --> 00:12:19,000 including Tim Allen, 510 00:12:19,041 --> 00:12:20,667 the actor in Hollywood. 511 00:12:20,709 --> 00:12:24,500 Well, historically, penalty 512 00:12:20,709 --> 00:12:24,500 has never been a factor 513 00:12:24,542 --> 00:12:27,583 in stopping a crime 514 00:12:24,542 --> 00:12:27,583 from occurring. 515 00:12:27,625 --> 00:12:30,667 As long as there's enough money 516 00:12:27,625 --> 00:12:30,667 in the crime, 517 00:12:30,709 --> 00:12:32,291 the penalty isn't gonna make 518 00:12:32,333 --> 00:12:33,083 a big difference. 519 00:12:34,667 --> 00:12:36,625 [Steve] There was a lot of money 520 00:12:34,667 --> 00:12:36,625 {\an8}to be made, 521 00:12:36,667 --> 00:12:38,083 {\an8}and a lot of people 522 00:12:36,667 --> 00:12:38,083 {\an8}tried to make money. 523 00:12:38,125 --> 00:12:40,375 {\an8}And I represented 524 00:12:38,125 --> 00:12:40,375 quite a few of them. 525 00:12:40,417 --> 00:12:42,250 [Ralph] That kind of money 526 00:12:40,417 --> 00:12:42,250 began to corrupt everything. 527 00:12:42,291 --> 00:12:44,125 It corrupted the government, 528 00:12:44,166 --> 00:12:45,875 it corrupted the police. 529 00:12:46,333 --> 00:12:51,417 There can be no progress 530 00:12:46,333 --> 00:12:51,417 in the suburbs 531 00:12:51,458 --> 00:12:53,709 unless there's progress 532 00:12:51,458 --> 00:12:53,709 in the city. 533 00:12:53,750 --> 00:12:55,792 [crowd] Yeah! 534 00:12:55,834 --> 00:12:57,667 [Kevin] Coleman Young is the 535 00:12:55,834 --> 00:12:57,667 most powerful politician 536 00:12:57,709 --> 00:12:59,333 in the history of Detroit. 537 00:12:59,375 --> 00:13:01,291 {\an8}Coleman Young was a machine. 538 00:13:01,333 --> 00:13:03,208 {\an8}And his niece was Cathy Volsan, 539 00:13:03,250 --> 00:13:06,166 {\an8}and she was married 540 00:13:03,250 --> 00:13:06,166 to Johnny Curry, 541 00:13:06,208 --> 00:13:07,959 one of the biggest drug dealers 542 00:13:06,208 --> 00:13:07,959 {\an8}in Detroit. 543 00:13:08,291 --> 00:13:11,417 {\an8}My wife's uncle 544 00:13:08,291 --> 00:13:11,417 {\an8}was Mayor Coleman Young. 545 00:13:12,291 --> 00:13:15,291 {\an8}[Gregg] There was 546 00:13:12,291 --> 00:13:15,291 a protective detail 547 00:13:15,333 --> 00:13:19,458 that Coleman Young 548 00:13:15,333 --> 00:13:19,458 {\an8}wanted placed on Cathy Volsan 549 00:13:19,500 --> 00:13:22,333 {\an8}knowing full well 550 00:13:19,500 --> 00:13:22,333 {\an8}that she was married 551 00:13:22,375 --> 00:13:24,959 {\an8}and living with all 552 00:13:22,375 --> 00:13:24,959 these drug dealers. 553 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:27,667 And then she heard 554 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:27,667 about the Curry Brothers 555 00:13:27,709 --> 00:13:29,917 {\an8}and what we was into 556 00:13:27,709 --> 00:13:29,917 {\an8}in our life, 557 00:13:29,959 --> 00:13:31,792 {\an8}so we started dating. 558 00:13:31,834 --> 00:13:33,000 {\an8}[Johnny] And then, 559 00:13:31,834 --> 00:13:33,000 {\an8}the next thing you know, 560 00:13:33,041 --> 00:13:34,208 {\an8}we was married. 561 00:13:34,250 --> 00:13:36,125 {\an8}I just find it crazy 562 00:13:36,166 --> 00:13:38,208 {\an8}that he had a protection detail 563 00:13:38,250 --> 00:13:39,417 {\an8}of police officers 564 00:13:39,458 --> 00:13:42,208 {\an8}guarding his drug dealer niece. 565 00:13:42,250 --> 00:13:43,208 {\an8}[Scott] Including Jimmy Harris, 566 00:13:45,375 --> 00:13:46,709 {\an8}who was Mayor Coleman Young's 567 00:13:45,375 --> 00:13:46,709 {\an8}head of security. 568 00:13:46,750 --> 00:13:48,041 {\an8}They were specifically 569 00:13:46,750 --> 00:13:48,041 {\an8}instructed 570 00:13:48,083 --> 00:13:49,917 not to intervene 571 00:13:48,083 --> 00:13:49,917 in this interactions 572 00:13:49,959 --> 00:13:51,917 and in these transactions. 573 00:13:51,959 --> 00:13:55,208 One time, I got picked up by, 574 00:13:51,959 --> 00:13:55,208 uh, one of the police officers. 575 00:13:55,250 --> 00:13:57,208 He knew I had something 576 00:13:55,250 --> 00:13:57,208 in the car. 577 00:13:57,834 --> 00:13:59,291 He's seen it on the backseat. 578 00:14:00,166 --> 00:14:02,125 He said, "Go ahead 579 00:14:00,166 --> 00:14:02,125 and go about your way. 580 00:14:02,166 --> 00:14:05,208 You want me to escort you in 581 00:14:02,166 --> 00:14:05,208 or something like that?" 582 00:14:05,250 --> 00:14:06,834 So, I was fine. 583 00:14:06,875 --> 00:14:09,208 'Cause they really never 584 00:14:06,875 --> 00:14:09,208 messed with me too tough. 585 00:14:09,250 --> 00:14:11,041 Their only job 586 00:14:11,083 --> 00:14:13,291 was to follow around Cathy Curry 587 00:14:13,333 --> 00:14:15,375 and prevent her from harm. 588 00:14:15,417 --> 00:14:16,834 It was a slippery slope, 589 00:14:16,875 --> 00:14:18,333 I think, for... 590 00:14:16,875 --> 00:14:18,333 for these people. 591 00:14:18,375 --> 00:14:20,458 They went downhill, 592 00:14:18,375 --> 00:14:20,458 uh, very, very fast. 593 00:14:20,709 --> 00:14:24,041 It was wide open 594 00:14:20,709 --> 00:14:24,041 for greedy people. 595 00:14:24,083 --> 00:14:27,291 And cops is just greedy 596 00:14:24,083 --> 00:14:27,291 as we are. 597 00:14:27,333 --> 00:14:29,291 {\an8}If they got debts and so forth, 598 00:14:29,959 --> 00:14:31,208 {\an8}they're gonna turn to crooks. 599 00:14:31,959 --> 00:14:33,417 {\an8}Everybody, every police officer, 600 00:14:33,458 --> 00:14:35,917 down at 1300 was crooked. 601 00:14:35,959 --> 00:14:37,333 [Johnny] When I was down there, 602 00:14:37,375 --> 00:14:38,667 I walked there like... 603 00:14:38,709 --> 00:14:41,083 Shit, I did bad as myself. 604 00:14:41,125 --> 00:14:42,750 [Scott] Johnny Curry, 605 00:14:42,792 --> 00:14:44,834 because of his marriage 606 00:14:42,792 --> 00:14:44,834 to Cathy Curry, 607 00:14:44,875 --> 00:14:47,875 had a direct line to Gil Hill, 608 00:14:47,917 --> 00:14:50,000 who, at the time, was 609 00:14:50,041 --> 00:14:52,166 the Detroit Police Department's 610 00:14:50,041 --> 00:14:52,166 head of the Homicide Division. 611 00:14:52,208 --> 00:14:54,375 Gil Hill had bigger aspirations. 612 00:14:54,417 --> 00:14:57,041 [Kevin] He had, uh, become 613 00:14:54,417 --> 00:14:57,041 uh, a movie actor. 614 00:14:57,083 --> 00:14:59,500 Was in this wildly popular 615 00:14:57,083 --> 00:14:59,500 Eddie Murphy movie, 616 00:14:59,542 --> 00:15:01,917 Beverly Hills Cop, 617 00:14:59,542 --> 00:15:01,917 where he played the boss 618 00:15:01,959 --> 00:15:03,333 of Eddie Murphy in the movie. 619 00:15:03,375 --> 00:15:05,250 Inspector T., how you doing? 620 00:15:05,750 --> 00:15:07,542 Where the [bleep] 621 00:15:05,750 --> 00:15:07,542 you've been, Foley? 622 00:15:08,458 --> 00:15:10,959 [Kevin] In Detroit, 623 00:15:08,458 --> 00:15:10,959 everybody knew Gil Hill, 624 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,083 they wanted to talk to Gil Hill 625 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,083 and be around Gil Hill. 626 00:15:13,125 --> 00:15:15,375 He was probably 627 00:15:13,125 --> 00:15:15,375 the biggest celebrity 628 00:15:15,417 --> 00:15:17,333 in the city of Detroit 629 00:15:15,417 --> 00:15:17,333 at the time. 630 00:15:17,375 --> 00:15:19,417 {\an8}Gil Hill, to me, was a lot more 631 00:15:19,458 --> 00:15:20,333 {\an8}than the Beverly Hills Cop 632 00:15:20,375 --> 00:15:22,041 {\an8}that you see on TV. 633 00:15:22,709 --> 00:15:24,125 {\an8}[William] 634 00:15:22,709 --> 00:15:24,125 {\an8}He actually trained me. 635 00:15:24,166 --> 00:15:26,375 {\an8}He actually taught me 636 00:15:24,166 --> 00:15:26,375 {\an8}the ins and outs 637 00:15:26,417 --> 00:15:28,291 {\an8}of investigations 638 00:15:26,417 --> 00:15:28,291 {\an8}and interrogations. 639 00:15:29,667 --> 00:15:32,542 {\an8}[interviewer] 640 00:15:29,667 --> 00:15:32,542 {\an8}Was Gil Hill affiliated 641 00:15:29,667 --> 00:15:32,542 {\an8}with the drug world? 642 00:15:32,583 --> 00:15:33,583 {\an8}Affiliated? 643 00:15:33,625 --> 00:15:35,291 {\an8}Yeah, he was affiliated. 644 00:15:36,375 --> 00:15:41,542 {\an8}He basically got us 645 00:15:36,375 --> 00:15:41,542 {\an8}to stay away from certain people 646 00:15:41,583 --> 00:15:43,709 {\an8}that he wanted to protect. 647 00:15:44,458 --> 00:15:46,583 He'd tell us, "Hey, man, 648 00:15:44,458 --> 00:15:46,583 don't be hitting this. 649 00:15:46,625 --> 00:15:47,917 Don't do this and that. 650 00:15:48,500 --> 00:15:50,291 'Cause if you made our list, 651 00:15:51,083 --> 00:15:52,375 you was gonna be killed." 652 00:15:53,917 --> 00:15:56,625 I have nothing bad 653 00:15:53,917 --> 00:15:56,625 to say about Gil Hill. 654 00:15:56,667 --> 00:15:58,500 [William] 655 00:15:56,667 --> 00:15:58,500 He wanted homicides closed. 656 00:15:58,542 --> 00:16:00,834 And he wanted 657 00:15:58,542 --> 00:16:00,834 to get some resolve 658 00:16:00,875 --> 00:16:03,208 to the brutality 659 00:16:00,875 --> 00:16:03,208 of taking another person's life. 660 00:16:04,333 --> 00:16:06,709 [interviewer] 661 00:16:04,333 --> 00:16:06,709 So you're telling me that the 662 00:16:04,333 --> 00:16:06,709 head of homicide came to you- 663 00:16:06,750 --> 00:16:08,917 and asked who you've got on 664 00:16:06,750 --> 00:16:08,917 your hit list? 665 00:16:08,959 --> 00:16:09,709 Yeah. 666 00:16:09,750 --> 00:16:10,917 Gil. 667 00:16:11,417 --> 00:16:13,083 As Gil would say, 668 00:16:13,125 --> 00:16:15,166 "Anybody else on your list? 669 00:16:13,125 --> 00:16:15,166 I don't give a fuck." 670 00:16:15,750 --> 00:16:17,875 That's not the Gil Hill 671 00:16:15,750 --> 00:16:17,875 that I know. 672 00:16:17,917 --> 00:16:19,417 That doesn't mean 673 00:16:17,917 --> 00:16:19,417 that, of course, 674 00:16:19,458 --> 00:16:21,125 people don't have dark sides. 675 00:16:21,166 --> 00:16:24,083 'Cause I, too, believe 676 00:16:21,166 --> 00:16:24,083 that all people have dark sides. 677 00:16:24,125 --> 00:16:25,500 So we would have 678 00:16:24,125 --> 00:16:25,500 to listen to Gil 679 00:16:25,542 --> 00:16:27,709 because he gonna do us 680 00:16:25,542 --> 00:16:27,709 a favor later. 681 00:16:27,750 --> 00:16:29,542 In order for us 682 00:16:27,750 --> 00:16:29,542 to get favors from him, 683 00:16:29,583 --> 00:16:31,917 we got to do favors 684 00:16:29,583 --> 00:16:31,917 for him as well, 685 00:16:31,959 --> 00:16:33,500 one hand washes the other. 686 00:16:33,542 --> 00:16:35,709 {\an8}He was a guy 687 00:16:33,542 --> 00:16:35,709 {\an8}with quite a bit of cache. 688 00:16:35,750 --> 00:16:40,000 {\an8}He had, he had his eyes set 689 00:16:35,750 --> 00:16:40,000 {\an8}on the mayor's office himself. 690 00:16:40,041 --> 00:16:41,375 {\an8}[Scott] 691 00:16:40,041 --> 00:16:41,375 {\an8}I think he viewed himself 692 00:16:41,417 --> 00:16:43,375 {\an8}as Coleman Young's successor. 693 00:16:43,417 --> 00:16:45,250 {\an8}One of the nation's 694 00:16:43,417 --> 00:16:45,250 {\an8}best-known mayors, 695 00:16:45,291 --> 00:16:46,333 {\an8}Coleman Young of Detroit, 696 00:16:48,542 --> 00:16:49,792 {\an8}is getting a kind of 697 00:16:48,542 --> 00:16:49,792 {\an8}national attention these days 698 00:16:49,834 --> 00:16:50,667 {\an8}that no politician wants. 699 00:16:52,959 --> 00:16:54,667 {\an8}[Scott] Coleman Young was 700 00:16:52,959 --> 00:16:54,667 {\an8}a notoriously corrupt mayor 701 00:16:54,709 --> 00:16:56,458 {\an8}that never got convicted 702 00:16:54,709 --> 00:16:56,458 {\an8}or indicted. 703 00:16:56,500 --> 00:16:57,709 {\an8}[reporter #7] 704 00:16:56,500 --> 00:16:57,709 {\an8}The latest involves charges 705 00:16:57,750 --> 00:16:58,792 {\an8}that his police chief 706 00:17:00,834 --> 00:17:02,792 {\an8}stole from a fund set up 707 00:17:00,834 --> 00:17:02,792 {\an8}for undercover drug buys. 708 00:17:02,834 --> 00:17:04,583 {\an8}And who the [bleep] 709 00:17:02,834 --> 00:17:04,583 {\an8}do you think you are 710 00:17:04,625 --> 00:17:06,458 {\an8}to come in here 711 00:17:04,625 --> 00:17:06,458 {\an8}and cross-examine me? 712 00:17:06,500 --> 00:17:09,375 {\an8}[Joe] He drew enormous animosity 713 00:17:09,417 --> 00:17:12,041 {\an8}from a number of white residents 714 00:17:12,083 --> 00:17:14,917 {\an8}who blamed him 715 00:17:12,083 --> 00:17:14,917 {\an8}for great social ills. 716 00:17:14,959 --> 00:17:17,917 {\an8}And I know a number of people 717 00:17:14,959 --> 00:17:17,917 {\an8}including a number of federal 718 00:17:17,959 --> 00:17:20,291 {\an8}and local 719 00:17:17,959 --> 00:17:20,291 {\an8}law enforcement figures 720 00:17:20,333 --> 00:17:22,542 {\an8}that thought that he was steeped 721 00:17:22,583 --> 00:17:23,625 {\an8}totally in corruption. 722 00:17:23,667 --> 00:17:24,959 {\an8}I don't buy that. 723 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,250 {\an8}I think there are people 724 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,250 {\an8}around him were. 725 00:17:27,291 --> 00:17:29,834 {\an8}[Scott] So, lots of members 726 00:17:27,291 --> 00:17:29,834 {\an8}of federal law enforcement 727 00:17:29,875 --> 00:17:32,375 {\an8}had a giant agenda 728 00:17:29,875 --> 00:17:32,375 {\an8}to go get Coleman Young. 729 00:17:33,083 --> 00:17:35,458 {\an8}And try to tie parts 730 00:17:33,083 --> 00:17:35,458 {\an8}of his administration 731 00:17:35,500 --> 00:17:37,500 {\an8}into the Curry organization. 732 00:17:37,542 --> 00:17:40,625 {\an8}[Kevin] Johnny and Leo Curry 733 00:17:37,542 --> 00:17:40,625 {\an8}were convicted 734 00:17:40,667 --> 00:17:43,875 {\an8}and did a plea agreement 735 00:17:40,667 --> 00:17:43,875 {\an8}for 20 years. 736 00:17:43,917 --> 00:17:45,792 {\an8}I did 14 years. 737 00:17:45,834 --> 00:17:49,291 {\an8}I got a 20-year sentence, 738 00:17:45,834 --> 00:17:49,291 {\an8}I did 14, and came out. 739 00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:52,542 {\an8}[Chris] And one day, I get a tip 740 00:17:52,583 --> 00:17:55,542 {\an8}that they were gonna raid 741 00:17:52,583 --> 00:17:55,542 {\an8}Cathy Volsan-Curry's townhouse. 742 00:17:56,125 --> 00:17:57,750 {\an8}The Feds go in there, 743 00:17:57,792 --> 00:17:59,667 {\an8}and guess who's in there, 744 00:17:59,709 --> 00:18:01,041 {\an8}in bed with Cathy Volsan-Curry? 745 00:18:01,667 --> 00:18:02,875 {\an8}Richard Wershe, Jr. 746 00:18:04,792 --> 00:18:05,834 {\an8}[Chris] Imagine my editors 747 00:18:04,792 --> 00:18:05,834 {\an8}asking me, 748 00:18:05,875 --> 00:18:06,875 {\an8}"What have you got going today?" 749 00:18:06,917 --> 00:18:08,792 {\an8}I said, "Well, 750 00:18:08,834 --> 00:18:11,125 {\an8}an alleged notorious 751 00:18:08,834 --> 00:18:11,125 {\an8}17-year-old drug dealer 752 00:18:11,166 --> 00:18:12,458 {\an8}was caught in a raid, 753 00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:14,208 {\an8}sleeping with the niece 754 00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:14,208 {\an8}of the mayor 755 00:18:14,250 --> 00:18:15,500 {\an8}on a Friday afternoon." 756 00:18:16,083 --> 00:18:18,000 {\an8}That's a bad day 757 00:18:16,083 --> 00:18:18,000 {\an8}for the Mayor's Office. 758 00:18:18,625 --> 00:18:21,625 {\an8}[Scott] You had race, 759 00:18:18,625 --> 00:18:21,625 {\an8}you had drugs, 760 00:18:21,667 --> 00:18:24,500 {\an8}you had sex, 761 00:18:21,667 --> 00:18:24,500 {\an8}you had political intrigue, 762 00:18:24,542 --> 00:18:26,583 {\an8}you had police corruption. 763 00:18:26,625 --> 00:18:31,583 {\an8}So now, Rick Wershe 764 00:18:26,625 --> 00:18:31,583 {\an8}is dating Coleman Young's niece. 765 00:18:31,625 --> 00:18:33,458 [Kevin] And that's a problem 766 00:18:31,625 --> 00:18:33,458 for Coleman Young. 767 00:18:33,500 --> 00:18:35,500 And it becomes a problem 768 00:18:33,500 --> 00:18:35,500 for Rick Wershe. 769 00:18:35,542 --> 00:18:37,458 [Chris] Wershe was busted 770 00:18:37,500 --> 00:18:39,750 for possessing eight kilos 771 00:18:37,500 --> 00:18:39,750 of cocaine. 772 00:18:39,792 --> 00:18:42,583 The charge which now has him 773 00:18:39,792 --> 00:18:42,583 serving a life sentence. 774 00:18:42,625 --> 00:18:44,959 You're not trying 775 00:18:42,625 --> 00:18:44,959 to tell me that... 776 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,458 you're an angel, 777 00:18:46,500 --> 00:18:48,083 that you never did 778 00:18:46,500 --> 00:18:48,083 anything wrong, right? 779 00:18:48,125 --> 00:18:50,250 I've been involved 780 00:18:48,125 --> 00:18:50,250 in wrongdoing, 781 00:18:50,291 --> 00:18:53,458 but I don't feel I did anything 782 00:18:50,291 --> 00:18:53,458 to receive a life sentence. 783 00:18:55,542 --> 00:18:57,625 [Herm] The 650-Lifer Law 784 00:18:57,667 --> 00:18:59,667 that, uh, Wershe 785 00:18:57,667 --> 00:18:59,667 was convicted under, 786 00:18:59,709 --> 00:19:02,000 uh, was repealed in 1998. 787 00:19:03,625 --> 00:19:06,875 [Ralph] So the Supreme Court 788 00:19:03,625 --> 00:19:06,875 of the State of Michigan said, 789 00:19:06,917 --> 00:19:10,375 "That constitutes cruel 790 00:19:06,917 --> 00:19:10,375 and unusual punishment, 791 00:19:10,417 --> 00:19:14,333 so you can't sentence people 792 00:19:10,417 --> 00:19:14,333 to life without parole 793 00:19:14,375 --> 00:19:15,750 for a non-violent crime. 794 00:19:17,291 --> 00:19:19,291 [low unnerving music] 795 00:19:23,667 --> 00:19:27,291 [Gregg] But to be incarcerated 796 00:19:23,667 --> 00:19:27,291 for 28 years, 797 00:19:27,333 --> 00:19:29,583 he's now a grandfather. 798 00:19:30,542 --> 00:19:32,709 [Steve] 799 00:19:30,542 --> 00:19:32,709 And everybody kinda recognized 800 00:19:32,750 --> 00:19:34,667 it was a fool's errand 801 00:19:32,750 --> 00:19:34,667 from the beginning. 802 00:19:34,709 --> 00:19:36,542 {\an8}Just like almost all 803 00:19:34,709 --> 00:19:36,542 {\an8}tough on crime things 804 00:19:36,583 --> 00:19:38,875 {\an8}turned out to be 805 00:19:36,583 --> 00:19:38,875 {\an8}a fool's errand. 806 00:19:38,917 --> 00:19:41,750 {\an8}Until the law was changed, 807 00:19:38,917 --> 00:19:41,750 {\an8}I don't think they caught one, 808 00:19:41,792 --> 00:19:44,750 {\an8}not one large-scale drug dealer. 809 00:19:44,792 --> 00:19:47,667 {\an8}[Chris] Were you ever 810 00:19:44,792 --> 00:19:47,667 {\an8}a cocaine kingpin? 811 00:19:47,709 --> 00:19:50,041 {\an8}[Gregg] And then in the press, 812 00:19:47,709 --> 00:19:50,041 {\an8}they come out and say, 813 00:19:50,083 --> 00:19:52,834 {\an8}"Drug kingpin White Boy Rick." 814 00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:55,542 {\an8}Kingpin of what? 815 00:19:56,083 --> 00:19:57,375 {\an8}Who? 816 00:19:57,417 --> 00:19:58,834 {\an8}He didn't have a drug gang, 817 00:19:58,875 --> 00:20:00,542 {\an8}he didn't have crack houses. 818 00:20:00,583 --> 00:20:02,208 {\an8}-[Chris] You ever kill anyone? 819 00:20:00,583 --> 00:20:02,208 {\an8}-No. 820 00:20:02,250 --> 00:20:04,583 {\an8}-Ever ordered anyone killed? 821 00:20:02,250 --> 00:20:04,583 {\an8}-No. 822 00:20:04,625 --> 00:20:05,875 {\an8}[Gregg] I'm sorry to tell you, 823 00:20:05,917 --> 00:20:08,709 {\an8}that the legend 824 00:20:05,917 --> 00:20:08,709 {\an8}of White Boy Rick 825 00:20:08,750 --> 00:20:10,250 {\an8}is just not true. 826 00:20:12,083 --> 00:20:16,583 {\an8}[Chris] Why would a juvenile, 827 00:20:12,083 --> 00:20:16,583 {\an8}non-violent drug offender 828 00:20:16,625 --> 00:20:19,208 {\an8}be kept in prison 829 00:20:16,625 --> 00:20:19,208 {\an8}beyond 29 years? 830 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,083 {\an8}[Johnny] I did way more than he 831 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,083 {\an8}could possibly ever had done 832 00:20:23,125 --> 00:20:25,000 {\an8}to get that kind of a sentence. 833 00:20:25,959 --> 00:20:30,125 {\an8}Third world countries 834 00:20:25,959 --> 00:20:30,125 {\an8}don't incarcerate like this. 835 00:20:32,125 --> 00:20:36,041 [Chris] How does a 16 836 00:20:32,125 --> 00:20:36,041 or 17-year-old kid, 837 00:20:36,083 --> 00:20:37,667 Richard Wershe, Jr., 838 00:20:37,709 --> 00:20:40,667 how does he get connected 839 00:20:37,709 --> 00:20:40,667 to the Curry family? 840 00:20:43,542 --> 00:20:45,000 [Wershe] 841 00:20:43,542 --> 00:20:45,000 Here's the truth. 842 00:20:45,041 --> 00:20:48,667 At the age of 14, 843 00:20:45,041 --> 00:20:48,667 I was recruited by the FBI- 844 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,000 to become an informant. 845 00:20:51,041 --> 00:20:52,625 [foreboding music] 846 00:21:01,834 --> 00:21:03,834 [Herm] It's a convoluted story. 847 00:21:04,750 --> 00:21:07,750 So when I met, uh, 848 00:21:04,750 --> 00:21:07,750 Richard Wershe, Sr., 849 00:21:07,792 --> 00:21:09,625 he had been opened up 850 00:21:07,792 --> 00:21:09,625 as an informant 851 00:21:09,667 --> 00:21:12,083 and operated, uh, 852 00:21:09,667 --> 00:21:12,083 for a period of time 853 00:21:12,125 --> 00:21:13,542 by two other agents. 854 00:21:13,583 --> 00:21:17,125 He was a gun dealer, 855 00:21:13,583 --> 00:21:17,125 uh, he was an entrepreneur. 856 00:21:17,166 --> 00:21:18,750 There was no end 857 00:21:17,166 --> 00:21:18,750 to what he was doing. 858 00:21:18,792 --> 00:21:19,792 If he was in one thing, 859 00:21:19,834 --> 00:21:21,709 he was always dabbling 860 00:21:19,834 --> 00:21:21,709 in the next. 861 00:21:23,125 --> 00:21:24,417 [Darlene] 862 00:21:23,125 --> 00:21:24,417 But he was very brilliant, 863 00:21:24,458 --> 00:21:26,458 he invented a lot of things. 864 00:21:26,500 --> 00:21:29,125 And I think he probably held 865 00:21:26,500 --> 00:21:29,125 more patents 866 00:21:29,166 --> 00:21:31,875 than anyone 867 00:21:29,166 --> 00:21:31,875 in the state of Michigan. 868 00:21:31,917 --> 00:21:33,667 I think he also had a business, 869 00:21:33,709 --> 00:21:37,792 where he would illegally 870 00:21:33,709 --> 00:21:37,792 sell guns on the black market. 871 00:21:37,834 --> 00:21:39,500 And help people get permits. 872 00:21:39,542 --> 00:21:42,166 He even sold silencers. 873 00:21:42,208 --> 00:21:44,667 He could get you anything. 874 00:21:42,208 --> 00:21:44,667 He could get you grenades. 875 00:21:45,875 --> 00:21:48,959 [Scott] And then, kind of played 876 00:21:45,875 --> 00:21:48,959 both ends of the game, 877 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,083 he would then divulge 878 00:21:51,125 --> 00:21:55,041 who he was selling 879 00:21:51,125 --> 00:21:55,041 these guns to, to the FBI. 880 00:21:55,083 --> 00:21:57,667 At the top of the list 881 00:21:55,083 --> 00:21:57,667 of their targets 882 00:21:57,709 --> 00:21:59,709 is Johnny Curry 883 00:21:57,709 --> 00:21:59,709 and the Curry gang. 884 00:22:02,667 --> 00:22:04,750 [Herm] So the first time 885 00:22:02,667 --> 00:22:04,750 I met Wershe, Sr. 886 00:22:04,792 --> 00:22:08,417 Uh, it was at a McDonald's 887 00:22:04,792 --> 00:22:08,417 on the west side of Detroit. 888 00:22:08,458 --> 00:22:10,166 And, uh, when I walked 889 00:22:08,458 --> 00:22:10,166 into the restaurant, 890 00:22:10,208 --> 00:22:12,500 and after introductions 891 00:22:10,208 --> 00:22:12,500 were made, 892 00:22:12,542 --> 00:22:14,834 I noticed, uh, he's got 893 00:22:12,542 --> 00:22:14,834 this young kid with him. 894 00:22:14,875 --> 00:22:16,750 It appeared to me 895 00:22:14,875 --> 00:22:16,750 to be 15 or so. 896 00:22:16,792 --> 00:22:18,125 And when we got talking about 897 00:22:18,166 --> 00:22:19,750 the Curry, uh, 898 00:22:18,166 --> 00:22:19,750 drug investigation, 899 00:22:19,792 --> 00:22:23,792 I noticed the father 900 00:22:19,792 --> 00:22:23,792 would defer to the son. 901 00:22:23,834 --> 00:22:27,125 [Wershe] 902 00:22:23,834 --> 00:22:27,125 My dad didn't really know 903 00:22:23,834 --> 00:22:27,125 who these people were. 904 00:22:27,166 --> 00:22:28,625 [Herm] And pretty soon, 905 00:22:27,166 --> 00:22:28,625 it became apparent to me 906 00:22:28,667 --> 00:22:31,000 that really, the kid is somehow 907 00:22:31,041 --> 00:22:32,375 the real source 908 00:22:31,041 --> 00:22:32,375 of the information. 909 00:22:33,375 --> 00:22:36,667 [Wershe] 910 00:22:33,375 --> 00:22:36,667 And I kind of interjected and 911 00:22:33,375 --> 00:22:36,667 told them who they were- 912 00:22:36,709 --> 00:22:38,917 and recognized them from 913 00:22:36,709 --> 00:22:38,917 the neighborhood. 914 00:22:38,959 --> 00:22:40,041 I just didn't feel comfortable 915 00:22:38,959 --> 00:22:40,041 with it. 916 00:22:40,083 --> 00:22:41,667 I didn't think 917 00:22:40,083 --> 00:22:41,667 it was appropriate. 918 00:22:41,709 --> 00:22:43,166 But I wanted to keep 919 00:22:41,709 --> 00:22:43,166 the channels 920 00:22:43,208 --> 00:22:44,500 of communication open. 921 00:22:45,250 --> 00:22:48,500 [Scott] I believe Richard 922 00:22:45,250 --> 00:22:48,500 himself, quickly realized 923 00:22:48,542 --> 00:22:50,667 that the target for this 924 00:22:48,542 --> 00:22:50,667 was big game. 925 00:22:52,041 --> 00:22:54,875 [Herm] He was using his son 926 00:22:52,041 --> 00:22:54,875 to get paid. 927 00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:57,875 It's not the role of a father 928 00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:57,875 to do something like that. 929 00:22:57,917 --> 00:22:59,834 [sirens blaring] 930 00:22:59,875 --> 00:23:01,792 [Scott] And this was something 931 00:22:59,875 --> 00:23:01,792 that I think 932 00:23:01,834 --> 00:23:03,750 started off as one thing, 933 00:23:03,792 --> 00:23:05,709 and ended as another thing. 934 00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:08,458 It started off where they would, 935 00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:08,458 you know, sometimes pick Rick up 936 00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:10,375 and they drive him 937 00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:10,375 through the neighborhood. 938 00:23:10,417 --> 00:23:12,458 And they say, "Rick, tell us 939 00:23:10,417 --> 00:23:12,458 who this guy is. 940 00:23:12,500 --> 00:23:14,125 Tell us what that spot is. 941 00:23:12,500 --> 00:23:14,125 What's that spot?" 942 00:23:14,166 --> 00:23:16,291 [Kevin] 943 00:23:14,166 --> 00:23:16,291 So here's this 14-year-old kid 944 00:23:16,333 --> 00:23:19,458 getting paid money 945 00:23:16,333 --> 00:23:19,458 to inform on narcotics dealers 946 00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:21,125 in the city of Detroit. 947 00:23:21,166 --> 00:23:23,166 In the short time he was 948 00:23:21,166 --> 00:23:23,166 an informant for the police, 949 00:23:23,208 --> 00:23:27,458 he collected about $35,000 950 00:23:23,208 --> 00:23:27,458 from law enforcement. 951 00:23:27,500 --> 00:23:29,208 [Wershe] 952 00:23:27,500 --> 00:23:29,208 I went shopping, I bought stuff. 953 00:23:29,250 --> 00:23:32,166 I bought a car when I was 954 00:23:29,250 --> 00:23:32,166 15 years old. 955 00:23:32,208 --> 00:23:34,291 It's funny to me how people 956 00:23:32,208 --> 00:23:34,291 always talk about 957 00:23:34,333 --> 00:23:36,291 what criminals will do 958 00:23:34,333 --> 00:23:36,291 to make a dollar. 959 00:23:37,041 --> 00:23:38,542 But, you know, 960 00:23:37,041 --> 00:23:38,542 on the same regard, 961 00:23:38,583 --> 00:23:40,875 you got to look 962 00:23:38,583 --> 00:23:40,875 at what the FBI will do 963 00:23:40,917 --> 00:23:41,875 to make an arrest. 964 00:23:43,417 --> 00:23:45,250 [Scott] 965 00:23:43,417 --> 00:23:45,250 He was actually instructed 966 00:23:45,291 --> 00:23:47,041 to infiltrate 967 00:23:45,291 --> 00:23:47,041 the Curry Boys gang. 968 00:23:47,083 --> 00:23:49,875 And start hanging out 969 00:23:47,083 --> 00:23:49,875 with the Currys, 970 00:23:49,917 --> 00:23:51,917 pretending that you wanna 971 00:23:49,917 --> 00:23:51,917 learn the drug game 972 00:23:51,959 --> 00:23:54,000 to start making controlled buys. 973 00:23:54,041 --> 00:23:55,667 We had started letting him do 974 00:23:54,041 --> 00:23:55,667 little errands 975 00:23:55,709 --> 00:23:57,583 and then he started knowing 976 00:23:55,709 --> 00:23:57,583 a few people that... 977 00:23:57,625 --> 00:24:00,125 you figured that 978 00:23:57,625 --> 00:24:00,125 when a white boy sells it, 979 00:24:00,166 --> 00:24:01,750 the dope is good or whatever. 980 00:24:01,792 --> 00:24:03,875 You know, so he started 981 00:24:01,792 --> 00:24:03,875 doing his thing. 982 00:24:03,917 --> 00:24:05,667 He didn't play 983 00:24:03,917 --> 00:24:05,667 a really major role. 984 00:24:05,709 --> 00:24:07,250 Nobody would mess 985 00:24:05,709 --> 00:24:07,250 with him, though, 986 00:24:07,291 --> 00:24:09,333 because they knew 987 00:24:07,291 --> 00:24:09,333 he was coming from us, so. 988 00:24:09,375 --> 00:24:11,083 [Scott] You know, 989 00:24:09,375 --> 00:24:11,083 within a couple of months, 990 00:24:11,125 --> 00:24:13,250 Rick is right by 991 00:24:11,125 --> 00:24:13,250 Johnny Curry's side. 992 00:24:13,291 --> 00:24:14,583 And has become a protégé 993 00:24:13,291 --> 00:24:14,583 of Johnny Curry's. 994 00:24:14,875 --> 00:24:17,917 I don't think anybody realized 995 00:24:17,959 --> 00:24:19,709 that Rick would be able 996 00:24:17,959 --> 00:24:19,709 to do that. 997 00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:21,875 Let alone, do it so quickly. 998 00:24:21,917 --> 00:24:23,208 [interviewer] And were they able 999 00:24:21,917 --> 00:24:23,208 to make any arrests 1000 00:24:23,250 --> 00:24:25,458 out of your information? 1001 00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:26,458 [Wershe] 1002 00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:26,458 Oh, yeah. Numerous. 1003 00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:28,291 [policeman] Go, go, go! 1004 00:24:28,333 --> 00:24:29,625 -Police! 1005 00:24:28,333 --> 00:24:29,625 -[thudding] 1006 00:24:29,667 --> 00:24:31,291 [Kevin] When Rick would say, 1007 00:24:31,333 --> 00:24:32,667 "Hey, the dope's coming 1008 00:24:31,333 --> 00:24:32,667 to this house," 1009 00:24:32,709 --> 00:24:34,041 the dope would come 1010 00:24:32,709 --> 00:24:34,041 to that house. 1011 00:24:34,083 --> 00:24:36,083 The police would make a raid, 1012 00:24:36,125 --> 00:24:37,792 they would confiscate 1013 00:24:36,125 --> 00:24:37,792 the drugs and money, 1014 00:24:37,834 --> 00:24:38,959 and, uh, 1015 00:24:37,834 --> 00:24:38,959 they would be successful. 1016 00:24:40,333 --> 00:24:42,542 [Wershe] 1017 00:24:40,333 --> 00:24:42,542 Yeah I believe in one time- 1018 00:24:42,583 --> 00:24:44,959 in '85 I think it's- 1019 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,333 eleven or thirteen in one day. 1020 00:24:54,583 --> 00:24:56,083 [Herm] 1021 00:24:54,583 --> 00:24:56,083 You know, the whole business 1022 00:24:56,125 --> 00:24:57,458 of operating informants, 1023 00:24:57,500 --> 00:24:58,959 it's a cat and mouse game. 1024 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,583 And just because somebody 1025 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,583 has an informant 1026 00:25:01,625 --> 00:25:04,709 designated as the handler 1027 00:25:01,625 --> 00:25:04,709 for the informant, 1028 00:25:04,750 --> 00:25:06,500 doesn't preclude that informant 1029 00:25:06,542 --> 00:25:08,500 from being utilized 1030 00:25:06,542 --> 00:25:08,500 by other agencies, 1031 00:25:08,542 --> 00:25:10,333 Such as the Detroit 1032 00:25:08,542 --> 00:25:10,333 Police Department. 1033 00:25:12,458 --> 00:25:14,083 [Gregg] Uh, we had DEA involved, 1034 00:25:12,458 --> 00:25:14,083 the FBI involved. 1035 00:25:14,125 --> 00:25:16,792 We had United States Customs, 1036 00:25:16,834 --> 00:25:18,250 Michigan State Police, 1037 00:25:18,291 --> 00:25:20,166 we had Detroit Police. 1038 00:25:20,208 --> 00:25:22,250 That's actually 1039 00:25:20,208 --> 00:25:22,250 what was going on. 1040 00:25:22,291 --> 00:25:24,000 [Herm] The Detroit Police 1041 00:25:22,291 --> 00:25:24,000 Department officers 1042 00:25:24,041 --> 00:25:26,500 were also using, uh, this kid 1043 00:25:26,542 --> 00:25:28,041 in undercover capacity. 1044 00:25:28,083 --> 00:25:31,000 Uh, using him to make buys, 1045 00:25:28,083 --> 00:25:31,000 undercover buys. 1046 00:25:35,250 --> 00:25:37,917 [Scott] He's going 1047 00:25:35,250 --> 00:25:37,917 in unmarked police cars, 1048 00:25:37,959 --> 00:25:39,667 uh, at night, with the police. 1049 00:25:39,709 --> 00:25:41,333 Driving around, 1050 00:25:39,709 --> 00:25:41,333 identifying people 1051 00:25:41,375 --> 00:25:43,583 at certain clubs. 1052 00:25:43,625 --> 00:25:45,250 And he ain't getting home 1053 00:25:43,625 --> 00:25:45,250 till three in the morning. 1054 00:25:45,291 --> 00:25:53,667 And he's got to wake up at 7:00 1055 00:25:45,291 --> 00:25:53,667 to go to school. 1056 00:25:53,709 --> 00:25:56,083 [Wershe] 1057 00:25:53,709 --> 00:25:56,083 I mean they weren't saying, 1058 00:25:53,709 --> 00:25:56,083 "Oh, quit school." 1059 00:25:56,125 --> 00:25:57,750 But they were saying- 1060 00:25:57,792 --> 00:25:59,083 you know, 1061 00:25:57,792 --> 00:25:59,083 "we need you to do this." 1062 00:25:59,125 --> 00:26:00,709 And I'd say 1063 00:25:59,125 --> 00:26:00,709 "well I've got school tomorrow." 1064 00:26:00,750 --> 00:26:02,333 And they said 1065 00:26:00,750 --> 00:26:02,333 "so what, we still"- 1066 00:26:02,375 --> 00:26:04,375 you know, 1067 00:26:02,375 --> 00:26:04,375 "go down to this club for us." 1068 00:26:04,417 --> 00:26:07,208 "You're wasting too much time 1069 00:26:04,417 --> 00:26:07,208 in Math class. 1070 00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:09,125 You need to be 1071 00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:09,125 on the street for us, 1072 00:26:09,166 --> 00:26:09,875 getting us information." 1073 00:26:14,542 --> 00:26:15,834 [car whooshing] 1074 00:26:17,125 --> 00:26:18,166 [Scott] At some point, 1075 00:26:18,208 --> 00:26:20,375 as the fall progressed in 1984, 1076 00:26:21,083 --> 00:26:22,792 Johnny Curry 1077 00:26:21,083 --> 00:26:22,792 was given information 1078 00:26:22,834 --> 00:26:26,083 that Rick Wershe 1079 00:26:22,834 --> 00:26:26,083 was an informant. 1080 00:26:26,125 --> 00:26:28,166 Rick Wershe was giving 1081 00:26:26,125 --> 00:26:28,166 the Feds information 1082 00:26:28,208 --> 00:26:29,917 and people were getting busted. 1083 00:26:29,959 --> 00:26:32,333 So they knew somebody 1084 00:26:29,959 --> 00:26:32,333 was, was leaking information, 1085 00:26:32,375 --> 00:26:34,208 and they would have meetings, 1086 00:26:34,250 --> 00:26:36,208 talking about who 1087 00:26:34,250 --> 00:26:36,208 the informant might be. 1088 00:26:36,959 --> 00:26:38,875 [Scott] There were a lot 1089 00:26:36,959 --> 00:26:38,875 of people on the street 1090 00:26:38,917 --> 00:26:41,000 that believed that Johnny Curry 1091 00:26:38,917 --> 00:26:41,000 ordered Rick Wershe's murder. 1092 00:26:42,166 --> 00:26:45,041 So I remember being at the home 1093 00:26:45,083 --> 00:26:46,625 that my boyfriend and I shared, 1094 00:26:46,667 --> 00:26:47,959 and he said, 1095 00:26:46,667 --> 00:26:47,959 "Here comes your dad." 1096 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,542 And I said, 1097 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,542 "Tell him I'm not here." 1098 00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:52,959 [Dawn] And I was standing 1099 00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:52,959 in the bedroom 1100 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,667 listening to him talk to my dad 1101 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,667 at the front door 1102 00:26:54,709 --> 00:26:56,166 and my dad said, 1103 00:26:56,208 --> 00:26:57,500 "Tell her, 1104 00:26:56,208 --> 00:26:57,500 her brother's been shot." 1105 00:26:57,542 --> 00:26:58,625 And right then, 1106 00:26:57,542 --> 00:26:58,625 I fell to the floor. 1107 00:27:00,208 --> 00:27:02,250 I got in the car with my dad 1108 00:27:00,208 --> 00:27:02,250 and we went to the hospital. 1109 00:27:02,709 --> 00:27:05,709 Rick was with a, uh, 1110 00:27:02,709 --> 00:27:05,709 another Curry lieutenant, 1111 00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:08,333 who was a couple years 1112 00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:08,333 older than him. 1113 00:27:08,375 --> 00:27:10,834 [Wershe] 1114 00:27:08,375 --> 00:27:10,834 We were in the house 1115 00:27:08,375 --> 00:27:10,834 Approximately five minutes. 1116 00:27:10,875 --> 00:27:12,917 We were both 1117 00:27:10,875 --> 00:27:12,917 skipping school that day. 1118 00:27:13,667 --> 00:27:15,125 He went upstairs. 1119 00:27:15,166 --> 00:27:16,333 [Scott] 1120 00:27:15,166 --> 00:27:16,333 And after a couple of minutes, 1121 00:27:16,375 --> 00:27:17,792 says, "Hey, Rick. 1122 00:27:16,375 --> 00:27:17,792 Come over here. 1123 00:27:17,834 --> 00:27:18,792 Come to the stairs." 1124 00:27:19,625 --> 00:27:21,458 [Wershe] 1125 00:27:19,625 --> 00:27:21,458 As soon as I hit the 1126 00:27:19,625 --> 00:27:21,458 top of the stairs 1127 00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:23,667 he comes out of the bedroom, 1128 00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:23,667 shoots me in the stomach. 1129 00:27:23,709 --> 00:27:25,500 [Dawn] 1130 00:27:23,709 --> 00:27:25,500 He was shot at close range 1131 00:27:25,542 --> 00:27:27,709 with a .357 magnum. 1132 00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:29,875 Went in the front, out the back, 1133 00:27:29,917 --> 00:27:32,625 blew his large intestine 1134 00:27:29,917 --> 00:27:32,625 in half. 1135 00:27:32,667 --> 00:27:34,959 [Wershe] 1136 00:27:32,667 --> 00:27:34,959 I believe I rolled down 1137 00:27:32,667 --> 00:27:34,959 the stairs. 1138 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,458 I was asking them to call 911. 1139 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,458 He wouldn't call 911- 1140 00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:39,959 he was in a panic. 1141 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,959 By the grace of God his 1142 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,959 girlfriend walked in the house. 1143 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,333 And she's the one 1144 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,333 that called 911. 1145 00:27:45,834 --> 00:27:51,125 The guy that shot me- his older 1146 00:27:45,834 --> 00:27:51,125 brother and a friend of his were 1147 00:27:45,834 --> 00:27:51,125 putting me in the car. 1148 00:27:51,166 --> 00:27:55,333 I don't know if they were going 1149 00:27:51,166 --> 00:27:55,333 to take me to a hospital or take 1150 00:27:51,166 --> 00:27:55,333 me somewhere and dump me. 1151 00:27:55,375 --> 00:27:58,834 Finally an ambulance showed up 1152 00:27:55,375 --> 00:27:58,834 and blocked them off and- 1153 00:27:58,875 --> 00:28:00,959 told them to give me 1154 00:27:58,875 --> 00:28:00,959 to them and- 1155 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,125 basically that ambulance ride 1156 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,125 saved my life. 1157 00:28:05,166 --> 00:28:08,250 [Johnny] I had nothing to do 1158 00:28:05,166 --> 00:28:08,250 with his getting shot. 1159 00:28:08,291 --> 00:28:10,667 If an agent said it 1160 00:28:08,291 --> 00:28:10,667 or whoever said it, 1161 00:28:10,709 --> 00:28:12,417 a police officer, 1162 00:28:10,709 --> 00:28:12,417 whoever said it, 1163 00:28:13,166 --> 00:28:15,208 they're way out of order, then. 1164 00:28:15,250 --> 00:28:18,917 Rick's family 1165 00:28:15,250 --> 00:28:18,917 and the task force all arrived 1166 00:28:18,959 --> 00:28:20,125 in the waiting room 1167 00:28:18,959 --> 00:28:20,125 of the hospital. 1168 00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:21,834 There's a physical altercation 1169 00:28:21,875 --> 00:28:25,041 between Richard 1170 00:28:21,875 --> 00:28:25,041 and the FBI handlers. 1171 00:28:25,917 --> 00:28:28,166 [Scott] Richard blames them 1172 00:28:25,917 --> 00:28:28,166 for getting his son shot 1173 00:28:28,208 --> 00:28:30,834 and, at that time, 1174 00:28:28,208 --> 00:28:30,834 thinking he might die. 1175 00:28:30,875 --> 00:28:35,166 The task force were kind of 1176 00:28:30,875 --> 00:28:35,166 huddled by the snack machines. 1177 00:28:35,208 --> 00:28:39,291 They had realized 1178 00:28:35,208 --> 00:28:39,291 that if he died, 1179 00:28:39,333 --> 00:28:41,291 the fact that they had been 1180 00:28:39,333 --> 00:28:41,291 using a 14-year-old kid 1181 00:28:41,333 --> 00:28:42,917 to infiltrate druggings 1182 00:28:42,959 --> 00:28:44,375 was gonna come to the surface 1183 00:28:44,417 --> 00:28:46,250 and it would be a scandal 1184 00:28:44,417 --> 00:28:46,250 of all scandals. 1185 00:28:46,709 --> 00:28:48,875 The surgeon, Dr. Bowles, 1186 00:28:48,917 --> 00:28:51,458 that performed surgery 1187 00:28:48,917 --> 00:28:51,458 and saved Rick's life 1188 00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:52,917 sat next to his bedside. 1189 00:28:52,959 --> 00:28:54,917 I believe it was for ten 1190 00:28:52,959 --> 00:28:54,917 or twelve hours. 1191 00:28:54,959 --> 00:28:56,500 Because he didn't think 1192 00:28:54,959 --> 00:28:56,500 he was gonna make it. 1193 00:28:57,208 --> 00:28:59,875 But he did, thank god. 1194 00:28:59,917 --> 00:29:02,125 I really honestly believe 1195 00:28:59,917 --> 00:29:02,125 this is a turning point. 1196 00:29:02,166 --> 00:29:04,208 Because he could've 1197 00:29:02,166 --> 00:29:04,208 pumped the brakes. 1198 00:29:04,250 --> 00:29:06,000 He could've said, 1199 00:29:04,250 --> 00:29:06,000 "You know what? This is crazy. 1200 00:29:06,041 --> 00:29:08,083 We almost got this kid killed. 1201 00:29:08,125 --> 00:29:09,625 We need to stop everything 1202 00:29:08,125 --> 00:29:09,625 right now 1203 00:29:09,667 --> 00:29:12,166 and just do this, you know, 1204 00:29:09,667 --> 00:29:12,166 by the book." 1205 00:29:12,959 --> 00:29:15,083 [Scott] But, instead, 1206 00:29:15,125 --> 00:29:17,041 members of that task force 1207 00:29:15,125 --> 00:29:17,041 came with a conclusion 1208 00:29:17,083 --> 00:29:19,583 this would increase 1209 00:29:17,083 --> 00:29:19,583 his credibility. 1210 00:29:20,458 --> 00:29:23,083 [Wershe] 1211 00:29:20,458 --> 00:29:23,083 The police told me to say the 1212 00:29:20,458 --> 00:29:23,083 shooting was an acident- 1213 00:29:23,125 --> 00:29:25,542 because it was the best way to 1214 00:29:23,125 --> 00:29:25,542 sweep it under the rug- 1215 00:29:25,583 --> 00:29:28,917 and I could continue to work for 1216 00:29:25,583 --> 00:29:28,917 them if I said it was an 1217 00:29:25,583 --> 00:29:28,917 accident. 1218 00:29:28,959 --> 00:29:30,625 We're gonna push it 1219 00:29:28,959 --> 00:29:30,625 into high gear. 1220 00:29:30,917 --> 00:29:33,750 [Scott] We're gonna send him 1221 00:29:30,917 --> 00:29:33,750 back in to the Curry gang 1222 00:29:34,166 --> 00:29:36,083 and if there was any belief 1223 00:29:36,125 --> 00:29:38,333 that he was an informant before, 1224 00:29:38,375 --> 00:29:40,208 that belief was gonna go 1225 00:29:38,375 --> 00:29:40,208 out the window 1226 00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:41,750 because if he was a snitch, 1227 00:29:41,792 --> 00:29:44,125 Johnny Curry would be 1228 00:29:41,792 --> 00:29:44,125 in handcuffs right now. 1229 00:29:44,166 --> 00:29:46,125 So, by the mere fact 1230 00:29:44,166 --> 00:29:46,125 of him going back 1231 00:29:46,166 --> 00:29:47,750 to his old neighborhood, 1232 00:29:47,792 --> 00:29:50,333 it built up his reputation 1233 00:29:47,792 --> 00:29:50,333 as a drug dealer, 1234 00:29:50,375 --> 00:29:51,792 uh, not an informant. 1235 00:29:51,834 --> 00:29:54,041 It almost helped him 1236 00:29:51,834 --> 00:29:54,041 in that regard. 1237 00:29:54,083 --> 00:29:55,959 [Scott] During Rick's recovery, 1238 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,959 Johnny Curry called him 1239 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,959 and, you know, said, 1240 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,000 "Where have you been? 1241 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,000 What's going on?" 1242 00:29:59,333 --> 00:30:00,917 Eventually, Rick met him 1243 00:30:00,959 --> 00:30:04,000 and was kinda like 1244 00:30:00,959 --> 00:30:04,000 confronted him. 1245 00:30:04,041 --> 00:30:05,083 "You thought I was an informant. 1246 00:30:05,125 --> 00:30:06,291 You had me shot." 1247 00:30:06,333 --> 00:30:07,458 And Johnny denied it. 1248 00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:09,333 Now, he might've mentioned it. 1249 00:30:09,375 --> 00:30:10,542 I don't know. 1250 00:30:11,083 --> 00:30:12,625 I had nothing to do with it. 1251 00:30:12,667 --> 00:30:14,375 [Scott] 1252 00:30:12,667 --> 00:30:14,375 But from that point forward, 1253 00:30:14,417 --> 00:30:17,166 Rick was in tighter than ever. 1254 00:30:17,208 --> 00:30:19,792 [funky music] 1255 00:30:19,834 --> 00:30:21,834 [commentator] And we're live 1256 00:30:21,875 --> 00:30:23,834 from Caesars Palace 1257 00:30:21,875 --> 00:30:23,834 in Las Vegas, Nevada. 1258 00:30:23,875 --> 00:30:28,333 Where Top Rank presents 1259 00:30:23,875 --> 00:30:28,333 World Championship Boxing. 1260 00:30:28,375 --> 00:30:30,333 [Herm] Johnny Curry 1261 00:30:28,375 --> 00:30:30,333 {\an8}and his entourage 1262 00:30:30,375 --> 00:30:33,875 {\an8}had gone to Las Vegas 1263 00:30:30,375 --> 00:30:33,875 {\an8}to the Hearns-Hagler fight. 1264 00:30:34,375 --> 00:30:36,542 {\an8}[announcer] Fighting out 1265 00:30:34,375 --> 00:30:36,542 {\an8}of Detroit, Michigan... 1266 00:30:36,583 --> 00:30:39,333 {\an8}[Scott] Tommy Hearns who was 1267 00:30:36,583 --> 00:30:39,333 {\an8}Detroit's favorite son 1268 00:30:39,375 --> 00:30:41,041 {\an8}in the boxing game at that time, 1269 00:30:41,083 --> 00:30:43,000 {\an8}was facing off against 1270 00:30:41,083 --> 00:30:43,000 {\an8}"Marvelous" Marvin Hagler. 1271 00:30:43,542 --> 00:30:46,250 {\an8}And all of the major 1272 00:30:43,542 --> 00:30:46,250 {\an8}urban drug dealers of Detroit 1273 00:30:46,291 --> 00:30:47,250 went to the fight. 1274 00:30:49,375 --> 00:30:51,291 [Kevin] And this was 1275 00:30:49,375 --> 00:30:51,291 the golden era of boxing. 1276 00:30:51,333 --> 00:30:52,792 The Tommy Hearns- 1277 00:30:51,333 --> 00:30:52,792 Marvin Hagler fight 1278 00:30:52,834 --> 00:30:54,834 was all anybody 1279 00:30:52,834 --> 00:30:54,834 was talking about in sports. 1280 00:30:54,875 --> 00:30:56,667 [Scott] Tommy Hearns grew up 1281 00:30:54,875 --> 00:30:56,667 and socialized 1282 00:30:56,709 --> 00:30:58,709 with a lot of the black 1283 00:30:56,709 --> 00:30:58,709 drug dealers in the era. 1284 00:30:58,750 --> 00:31:00,792 And the kind of joke was, 1285 00:31:00,834 --> 00:31:02,834 last guy in Detroit 1286 00:31:00,834 --> 00:31:02,834 turn off the lights. 1287 00:31:02,875 --> 00:31:05,000 [crowd cheering] 1288 00:31:06,125 --> 00:31:08,458 [Wershe] 1289 00:31:06,125 --> 00:31:08,458 I was asked to go out there and- 1290 00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:10,834 get information about some 1291 00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:10,834 people that were- 1292 00:31:10,875 --> 00:31:12,625 involved in the drug trade- 1293 00:31:12,667 --> 00:31:14,834 and their corrections and- 1294 00:31:14,875 --> 00:31:17,000 how the drugs were coming in 1295 00:31:14,875 --> 00:31:17,000 and- 1296 00:31:17,041 --> 00:31:20,583 just basically as much intel as 1297 00:31:17,041 --> 00:31:20,583 I could from out there. 1298 00:31:20,625 --> 00:31:22,333 I was given a fake ID. 1299 00:31:22,375 --> 00:31:26,166 I was 15 at the time- the ID 1300 00:31:22,375 --> 00:31:26,166 made me 21 years old. 1301 00:31:26,208 --> 00:31:28,458 So, they gave him money, 1302 00:31:26,208 --> 00:31:28,458 they gave him false ID, 1303 00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:30,667 and they set him up in a casino. 1304 00:31:30,709 --> 00:31:32,750 [Ralph] This is insanity. 1305 00:31:32,792 --> 00:31:36,125 [Wershe] 1306 00:31:32,792 --> 00:31:36,125 There's an FBI report detailing 1307 00:31:32,792 --> 00:31:36,125 that and it shows- 1308 00:31:36,166 --> 00:31:37,709 I think they gave me- 1309 00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:39,583 like $1,500- 1310 00:31:39,625 --> 00:31:42,583 on a receipt and then I think 1311 00:31:39,625 --> 00:31:42,583 they gave me like another- 1312 00:31:42,625 --> 00:31:45,709 thousand or 1,500 bucks for 1313 00:31:42,625 --> 00:31:45,709 pocket money. 1314 00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:47,333 [Scott] 1315 00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:47,333 While they're at the fight, 1316 00:31:49,208 --> 00:31:53,333 Johnny Curry and his entourage's 1317 00:31:49,208 --> 00:31:53,333 reservations and fight tickets 1318 00:31:53,375 --> 00:31:54,542 mysteriously disappear. 1319 00:31:55,959 --> 00:31:57,333 Or maybe disappear 1320 00:31:55,959 --> 00:31:57,333 is the wrong word. 1321 00:31:57,375 --> 00:31:59,166 They never really existed 1322 00:31:57,375 --> 00:31:59,166 to start. 1323 00:32:00,375 --> 00:32:02,250 [Scott] Johnny had reached out 1324 00:32:00,375 --> 00:32:02,250 to a member of his crew 1325 00:32:02,291 --> 00:32:04,375 by a guy of a name of Leon Lucas 1326 00:32:04,417 --> 00:32:06,625 and him and Johnny 1327 00:32:04,417 --> 00:32:06,625 had kinda gotten into a beef 1328 00:32:06,667 --> 00:32:08,625 over drugs and money 1329 00:32:08,667 --> 00:32:10,834 that had been 1330 00:32:08,667 --> 00:32:10,834 confiscated in a raid. 1331 00:32:11,625 --> 00:32:13,917 Johnny Curry 1332 00:32:11,625 --> 00:32:13,917 held him responsible 1333 00:32:13,959 --> 00:32:15,625 for the drugs and money. 1334 00:32:16,041 --> 00:32:17,375 [Scott] And Leon said, 1335 00:32:16,041 --> 00:32:17,375 "Let me start 1336 00:32:17,417 --> 00:32:18,917 to try to make it up for you. 1337 00:32:18,959 --> 00:32:21,500 I will provide you 1338 00:32:18,959 --> 00:32:21,500 hotel arrangements 1339 00:32:21,542 --> 00:32:23,542 and tickets 1340 00:32:21,542 --> 00:32:23,542 for the Hagler-Hearns fight. 1341 00:32:23,583 --> 00:32:25,166 Now, he assured Johnny Curry 1342 00:32:25,208 --> 00:32:26,667 that it would all 1343 00:32:25,208 --> 00:32:26,667 be taken care of. 1344 00:32:26,709 --> 00:32:29,250 Well, when Curry 1345 00:32:26,709 --> 00:32:29,250 and his posse got out there, 1346 00:32:29,291 --> 00:32:31,500 nothing was handled, 1347 00:32:29,291 --> 00:32:31,500 nothing was taken care of. 1348 00:32:31,542 --> 00:32:34,625 [Herm] And when he 1349 00:32:31,542 --> 00:32:34,625 got back to Detroit, 1350 00:32:34,667 --> 00:32:36,333 some of his lieutenants 1351 00:32:36,375 --> 00:32:38,500 not at the direction 1352 00:32:36,375 --> 00:32:38,500 of Johnny Curry himself, 1353 00:32:38,542 --> 00:32:39,500 but some of his lieutenants 1354 00:32:41,375 --> 00:32:44,750 went over to Leon Lucas' house 1355 00:32:41,375 --> 00:32:44,750 in an effort to intimidate him. 1356 00:32:44,792 --> 00:32:48,083 What those individuals 1357 00:32:44,792 --> 00:32:48,083 that went there decided to do 1358 00:32:48,125 --> 00:32:51,542 was to shoot the place up 1359 00:32:48,125 --> 00:32:51,542 in a drive-by shooting. 1360 00:32:51,583 --> 00:32:53,083 Unfortunately, for them, 1361 00:32:53,125 --> 00:32:54,250 Leon Lucas isn't there. 1362 00:32:54,583 --> 00:32:56,375 [911 operator] 1363 00:33:00,667 --> 00:33:02,125 [911 operator] 1364 00:33:02,166 --> 00:33:04,917 [caller] 1365 00:33:04,959 --> 00:33:06,458 [911 operator] 1366 00:33:06,834 --> 00:33:09,000 [Kevin] And in the process, 1367 00:33:09,041 --> 00:33:11,375 Leon's nephew, Damion Lucas, 1368 00:33:09,041 --> 00:33:11,375 who was 13-years old, 1369 00:33:11,417 --> 00:33:12,542 and was living with him, 1370 00:33:12,583 --> 00:33:13,458 was shot and killed. 1371 00:33:14,625 --> 00:33:17,458 And this becomes 1372 00:33:14,625 --> 00:33:17,458 a very hot topic 1373 00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:18,625 in law enforcement. 1374 00:33:18,667 --> 00:33:20,333 [Scott] On the news, 1375 00:33:20,375 --> 00:33:21,709 "13-year-old Killed 1376 00:33:20,375 --> 00:33:21,709 in Drive-by." 1377 00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:22,792 [Herm] 1378 00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:22,792 You know, I heard Johnny Curry, 1379 00:33:22,834 --> 00:33:24,333 uh, on wiretaps. 1380 00:33:24,625 --> 00:33:27,417 Uh, shortly after we got 1381 00:33:24,625 --> 00:33:27,417 the authority to tap his phone. 1382 00:33:27,458 --> 00:33:30,834 And he was lamenting, 1383 00:33:27,458 --> 00:33:30,834 whoever he was talking with, 1384 00:33:30,875 --> 00:33:32,208 that, "You know, those guys 1385 00:33:32,250 --> 00:33:34,041 shouldn't have gone over there. 1386 00:33:34,083 --> 00:33:35,750 I told them don't go 1387 00:33:34,083 --> 00:33:35,750 over there." 1388 00:33:35,792 --> 00:33:37,750 He was sorry that this whole 1389 00:33:35,792 --> 00:33:37,750 thing had taken place. 1390 00:33:37,792 --> 00:33:40,083 Probably because it was 1391 00:33:37,792 --> 00:33:40,083 bringing a lot of heat 1392 00:33:40,125 --> 00:33:42,959 on him, uh, 1393 00:33:40,125 --> 00:33:42,959 and his drug organization. 1394 00:33:43,709 --> 00:33:45,709 [somber music] 1395 00:33:49,583 --> 00:33:52,667 Rick Wershe comes back 1396 00:33:49,583 --> 00:33:52,667 into play in this whole story. 1397 00:33:52,709 --> 00:33:54,834 And that Rick says 1398 00:33:54,875 --> 00:33:57,166 he was, uh, listening in on 1399 00:33:54,875 --> 00:33:57,166 a phone conversation 1400 00:33:57,208 --> 00:33:59,333 over a speakerphone, 1401 00:33:59,375 --> 00:34:01,291 and he heard Johnny Curry 1402 00:33:59,375 --> 00:34:01,291 talking to Gil Hill. 1403 00:34:01,959 --> 00:34:07,625 [Wershe] 1404 00:34:01,959 --> 00:34:07,625 And that's when I found out that 1405 00:34:01,959 --> 00:34:07,625 Gil Hill was responsible for 1406 00:34:01,959 --> 00:34:07,625 covering up the kid's murder. 1407 00:34:08,208 --> 00:34:11,250 Johnny placed a call to Gil, put 1408 00:34:08,208 --> 00:34:11,250 it on speaker- 1409 00:34:11,291 --> 00:34:14,041 we were riding around in 1410 00:34:11,291 --> 00:34:14,041 Johnny's BMW. 1411 00:34:14,083 --> 00:34:18,041 Basically Gil told him 1412 00:34:14,083 --> 00:34:18,041 everything that was going on, 1413 00:34:14,083 --> 00:34:18,041 and- 1414 00:34:18,083 --> 00:34:21,250 you know- that he had it under 1415 00:34:18,083 --> 00:34:21,250 control, and that he would be in 1416 00:34:18,083 --> 00:34:21,250 touch- 1417 00:34:21,291 --> 00:34:22,959 not to worry about anything. 1418 00:34:23,417 --> 00:34:26,291 He had already been to meet with 1419 00:34:23,417 --> 00:34:26,291 Gil and- 1420 00:34:26,333 --> 00:34:29,792 he said he gave Gil ten grand to 1421 00:34:26,333 --> 00:34:29,792 cover up the kid's murder. 1422 00:34:29,834 --> 00:34:31,667 This information made him 1423 00:34:31,709 --> 00:34:33,625 incredibly dangerous 1424 00:34:31,709 --> 00:34:33,625 to a lot of people. 1425 00:34:33,667 --> 00:34:36,542 Johnny Curry told this to me 1426 00:34:36,583 --> 00:34:38,542 while he was incarcerated 1427 00:34:38,583 --> 00:34:42,542 at the Texarkana 1428 00:34:38,583 --> 00:34:42,542 Federal Correctional Facility 1429 00:34:42,583 --> 00:34:44,667 in Texas. 1430 00:34:44,709 --> 00:34:46,166 [Herm] So, ultimately, 1431 00:34:44,709 --> 00:34:46,166 what happened 1432 00:34:46,208 --> 00:34:48,375 is the, uh, 1433 00:34:46,208 --> 00:34:48,375 Detroit Police Department, 1434 00:34:48,417 --> 00:34:50,667 under the direction of Gil Hill, 1435 00:34:50,709 --> 00:34:53,417 uh, framed, basically, 1436 00:34:50,709 --> 00:34:53,417 an innocent man, LaKeas Davis. 1437 00:34:54,291 --> 00:34:55,792 I had information. 1438 00:34:55,834 --> 00:34:58,583 Part of it was 1439 00:34:55,834 --> 00:34:58,583 from Richard Wershe, Jr., 1440 00:34:58,625 --> 00:35:02,041 and part it was from 1441 00:34:58,625 --> 00:35:02,041 the wiretaps that we had 1442 00:35:02,083 --> 00:35:04,000 that strongly suggested 1443 00:35:04,041 --> 00:35:05,917 that they had the wrong guy 1444 00:35:04,041 --> 00:35:05,917 locked up. 1445 00:35:05,959 --> 00:35:07,542 And he's facing a life term. 1446 00:35:09,417 --> 00:35:11,083 [Nate] Well, sometime 1447 00:35:09,417 --> 00:35:11,083 he had tell us 1448 00:35:11,125 --> 00:35:12,125 to put the gun 1449 00:35:11,125 --> 00:35:12,125 in somebody's car. 1450 00:35:12,166 --> 00:35:13,583 One of our enemies. 1451 00:35:13,625 --> 00:35:15,500 And then he had the police 1452 00:35:13,625 --> 00:35:15,500 pull up on them 1453 00:35:15,542 --> 00:35:17,000 and said, "Wait, wait. 1454 00:35:17,041 --> 00:35:19,166 Is that a gun hanging out 1455 00:35:17,041 --> 00:35:19,166 on your seat?" 1456 00:35:19,208 --> 00:35:20,667 Well, the people don't know 1457 00:35:19,208 --> 00:35:20,667 that we just slipped the gun 1458 00:35:20,709 --> 00:35:21,500 in their car. 1459 00:35:21,542 --> 00:35:22,875 [laughter] 1460 00:35:22,917 --> 00:35:24,709 Same way we did 1461 00:35:22,917 --> 00:35:24,709 with a pot of drugs. 1462 00:35:24,750 --> 00:35:27,625 He used to tell us to set 1463 00:35:24,750 --> 00:35:27,625 people up with drug bust too. 1464 00:35:27,667 --> 00:35:29,125 That's the way they get busses. 1465 00:35:30,959 --> 00:35:32,291 [Gregg] Subsequently, 1466 00:35:30,959 --> 00:35:32,291 I was ordered 1467 00:35:32,333 --> 00:35:34,125 by my special agent in charge 1468 00:35:34,709 --> 00:35:37,458 to gather all 1469 00:35:34,709 --> 00:35:37,458 of the information that we had 1470 00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:39,709 with regards to 1471 00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:39,709 the Damion Lucas murder 1472 00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:43,583 and take it directly 1473 00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:43,583 to Chief Hart 1474 00:35:43,625 --> 00:35:46,000 of the Detroit 1475 00:35:43,625 --> 00:35:46,000 Police Department. 1476 00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:50,291 I did so and nothing 1477 00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:50,291 ever occurred. 1478 00:35:54,583 --> 00:35:57,792 To this day, it's still 1479 00:35:54,583 --> 00:35:57,792 an open investigation. 1480 00:35:58,834 --> 00:36:01,917 [Herm] In fact, LaKeas Davis 1481 00:35:58,834 --> 00:36:01,917 remained in jail 1482 00:36:01,959 --> 00:36:03,583 was facing a trial. 1483 00:36:03,625 --> 00:36:05,750 And so I made sure 1484 00:36:03,625 --> 00:36:05,750 Davis' defense attorney 1485 00:36:06,208 --> 00:36:08,250 got the information 1486 00:36:06,208 --> 00:36:08,250 that he needed 1487 00:36:08,291 --> 00:36:09,792 to get him exonerated. 1488 00:36:11,625 --> 00:36:12,834 Ultimately, that resulted 1489 00:36:11,625 --> 00:36:12,834 in me being subpoenaed 1490 00:36:12,875 --> 00:36:14,583 to state court. 1491 00:36:14,625 --> 00:36:16,583 And where demands were met on me 1492 00:36:16,625 --> 00:36:18,542 to reveal the source 1493 00:36:16,625 --> 00:36:18,542 of the information. 1494 00:36:19,208 --> 00:36:20,709 Well, it became 1495 00:36:19,208 --> 00:36:20,709 very touch-and-go 1496 00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:23,583 because there would be 1497 00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:23,583 extreme retaliation 1498 00:36:23,625 --> 00:36:25,458 against the Wershe family. 1499 00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:26,500 And so I refused to do it. 1500 00:36:28,125 --> 00:36:29,917 And, um, I was threatened 1501 00:36:28,125 --> 00:36:29,917 with contempt of court. 1502 00:36:29,959 --> 00:36:33,291 Ultimately, they dismissed 1503 00:36:29,959 --> 00:36:33,291 the case against LaKeas Davis 1504 00:36:33,333 --> 00:36:34,917 and they freed him 1505 00:36:33,333 --> 00:36:34,917 at that point. 1506 00:36:35,542 --> 00:36:37,500 [Scott] And Gil Hill 1507 00:36:35,542 --> 00:36:37,500 was investigated 1508 00:36:37,542 --> 00:36:39,750 for his role 1509 00:36:37,542 --> 00:36:39,750 in taking a possible payoff 1510 00:36:39,792 --> 00:36:41,959 and possibly 1511 00:36:39,792 --> 00:36:41,959 burying these charges. 1512 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:42,959 He was never charged. 1513 00:36:44,834 --> 00:36:48,208 And when Gil Hill ran for mayor, 1514 00:36:44,834 --> 00:36:48,208 this case came up 1515 00:36:48,250 --> 00:36:50,625 and was a detriment 1516 00:36:48,250 --> 00:36:50,625 to his campaign. 1517 00:36:51,667 --> 00:36:55,041 At that point, I didn't realize 1518 00:36:51,667 --> 00:36:55,041 to, uh, what extent 1519 00:36:55,083 --> 00:36:56,792 the corruption had spread 1520 00:36:56,834 --> 00:36:58,083 throughout 1521 00:36:56,834 --> 00:36:58,083 the police department. 1522 00:37:00,458 --> 00:37:02,583 [Gregg] When we did the raid 1523 00:37:00,458 --> 00:37:02,583 on Cathy Volsan-Curry's house 1524 00:37:02,625 --> 00:37:05,500 which was in June of 1987, 1525 00:37:06,083 --> 00:37:09,625 we found a laminated card 1526 00:37:06,083 --> 00:37:09,625 exactly like this one, 1527 00:37:10,125 --> 00:37:13,291 holding the personal 1528 00:37:10,125 --> 00:37:13,291 and confidential information 1529 00:37:13,333 --> 00:37:15,250 from Gil Hill and Jimmy Harris 1530 00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:17,291 which ended up being 1531 00:37:17,333 --> 00:37:19,834 the beginning of all the rumors 1532 00:37:19,875 --> 00:37:21,333 that we had heard 1533 00:37:21,375 --> 00:37:24,125 with regards to 1534 00:37:21,375 --> 00:37:24,125 the funneling of information 1535 00:37:24,166 --> 00:37:26,500 from the Detroit 1536 00:37:24,166 --> 00:37:26,500 Police Department 1537 00:37:26,542 --> 00:37:28,667 to the Curry organization. 1538 00:37:28,709 --> 00:37:31,709 So was that uncommon for Cathy 1539 00:37:28,709 --> 00:37:31,709 to have that kind of access? 1540 00:37:32,625 --> 00:37:34,792 She had access 1541 00:37:32,625 --> 00:37:34,792 to anything she wanted. 1542 00:37:34,834 --> 00:37:35,709 [Chris] Like what? 1543 00:37:37,083 --> 00:37:38,834 Police reports, 1544 00:37:37,083 --> 00:37:38,834 surveillance reports, 1545 00:37:38,875 --> 00:37:39,667 whatever you wanted. 1546 00:37:40,709 --> 00:37:41,750 [Chris] On Johnny? 1547 00:37:42,709 --> 00:37:44,542 Johnny, myself, 1548 00:37:45,166 --> 00:37:47,625 other people 1549 00:37:45,166 --> 00:37:47,625 who needed this stuff. 1550 00:37:48,333 --> 00:37:51,250 [Chris] So, if she said 1551 00:37:48,333 --> 00:37:51,250 to Sgt. Jimmy Harris, 1552 00:37:51,291 --> 00:37:53,667 "I need to know what 1553 00:37:51,291 --> 00:37:53,667 the narcotics cops are doing 1554 00:37:53,709 --> 00:37:57,834 on Rick, on Johnny, 1555 00:37:53,709 --> 00:37:57,834 on anybody else," 1556 00:37:57,875 --> 00:37:59,333 he would flip them to her? 1557 00:37:59,959 --> 00:38:01,208 No problem. 1558 00:38:03,250 --> 00:38:05,250 [Herm] The matter 1559 00:38:03,250 --> 00:38:05,250 of the Damion Lucas murder 1560 00:38:05,291 --> 00:38:06,333 was never resolved. 1561 00:38:06,375 --> 00:38:07,834 I knew who did it 1562 00:38:07,875 --> 00:38:10,458 and, but, uh, proving it 1563 00:38:07,875 --> 00:38:10,458 is something else. 1564 00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:16,500 [Wershe] Truthfully I wish I 1565 00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:16,500 never woulda got roped into the 1566 00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:16,500 Damion Lucas thing, because- 1567 00:38:16,542 --> 00:38:20,583 I didn't know 30 years later it 1568 00:38:16,542 --> 00:38:20,583 would still be affecting my 1569 00:38:16,542 --> 00:38:20,583 life. 1570 00:38:21,166 --> 00:38:23,166 [ominous music] 1571 00:38:27,125 --> 00:38:30,458 Well, I was, uh, told 1572 00:38:27,125 --> 00:38:30,458 to kill White Boy Rick. 1573 00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:33,000 We heard that he was telling. 1574 00:38:33,709 --> 00:38:35,917 So, they say, 1575 00:38:33,709 --> 00:38:35,917 "We gotta kill that white boy." 1576 00:38:35,959 --> 00:38:37,166 [Todd] My career is finished. 1577 00:38:38,667 --> 00:38:40,792 But I promise you, 1578 00:38:38,667 --> 00:38:40,792 I won't go down alone. 1579 00:38:40,834 --> 00:38:42,250 [Nate] I know after he did, uh, 1580 00:38:42,291 --> 00:38:44,000 Beverly Hill Cops and all that, 1581 00:38:44,041 --> 00:38:45,709 he was trying to stay away 1582 00:38:44,041 --> 00:38:45,709 from everybody. 1583 00:38:46,625 --> 00:38:50,041 But he would meet you somewhere 1584 00:38:46,625 --> 00:38:50,041 as long as he feel he was safe. 1585 00:38:50,917 --> 00:38:54,500 Like he would meet you out 1586 00:38:50,917 --> 00:38:54,500 at The Island in Waterfront. 1587 00:38:54,542 --> 00:38:56,208 But, yeah, uh... 1588 00:38:56,250 --> 00:38:59,667 He said that basically, 1589 00:38:56,250 --> 00:38:59,667 he wants us to make sure 1590 00:38:59,709 --> 00:39:01,625 that we kill White Boy Rick. 1591 00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:04,166 Make sure that boy is dead. 1592 00:39:06,041 --> 00:39:08,041 But we gotta make sure that 1593 00:39:06,041 --> 00:39:08,041 it don't lead back to no one. 1594 00:39:08,875 --> 00:39:10,333 I said, "Well, you know me. 1595 00:39:10,375 --> 00:39:12,333 All my hits don't lead back 1596 00:39:10,375 --> 00:39:12,333 to no one." 1597 00:39:16,667 --> 00:39:18,917 [Scott] Rick had got in deeper 1598 00:39:18,959 --> 00:39:20,959 and had risen higher 1599 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,709 than anyone ever thought 1600 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,709 he could. 1601 00:39:22,750 --> 00:39:25,583 [Wershe] At some point these 1602 00:39:22,750 --> 00:39:25,583 guys said- 1603 00:39:25,625 --> 00:39:28,000 sooner or later something's 1604 00:39:25,625 --> 00:39:28,000 going to go bad- 1605 00:39:28,041 --> 00:39:30,166 and we're going to be held 1606 00:39:28,041 --> 00:39:30,166 accountable. 1607 00:39:30,208 --> 00:39:31,709 [Ralph] They don't debrief him. 1608 00:39:32,125 --> 00:39:34,917 They don't send him 1609 00:39:32,125 --> 00:39:34,917 to a boarding school 1610 00:39:34,959 --> 00:39:36,834 where he can get over 1611 00:39:36,875 --> 00:39:39,000 what they've just 1612 00:39:36,875 --> 00:39:39,000 subjected him to. 1613 00:39:39,041 --> 00:39:41,458 They turn him loose 1614 00:39:39,041 --> 00:39:41,458 on the streets. 1615 00:39:41,792 --> 00:39:44,291 [Wershe] It wasn't like they 1616 00:39:41,792 --> 00:39:44,291 ever said- 1617 00:39:44,333 --> 00:39:46,417 "Rick, stop selling drugs." 1618 00:39:46,458 --> 00:39:48,417 "Rick, stop buying drugs." 1619 00:39:48,458 --> 00:39:50,792 One day they just never called 1620 00:39:48,458 --> 00:39:50,792 again- 1621 00:39:50,834 --> 00:39:52,250 and that's how we broke ties. 1622 00:39:52,291 --> 00:39:53,959 He wasn't gonna go 1623 00:39:52,291 --> 00:39:53,959 back to school. 1624 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,959 He knew the drug trade. 1625 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,625 So, he became a drug dealer. 1626 00:39:57,667 --> 00:40:00,125 [Wershe] I became addicted to 1627 00:39:57,667 --> 00:40:00,125 the lifestyle. 1628 00:40:00,166 --> 00:40:01,959 I became addicted to the money. 1629 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,000 I became addicted to the women. 1630 00:40:04,041 --> 00:40:05,291 I became addicted to that life. 1631 00:40:05,333 --> 00:40:07,000 [Scott] The only difference was, 1632 00:40:07,041 --> 00:40:09,166 you know, he wasn't getting 1633 00:40:07,041 --> 00:40:09,166 a government stipend. 1634 00:40:09,458 --> 00:40:12,917 They had gleaned enough 1635 00:40:09,458 --> 00:40:12,917 information and intelligence 1636 00:40:12,959 --> 00:40:14,959 from him regarding 1637 00:40:12,959 --> 00:40:14,959 the Curry gang 1638 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,333 that the indictment 1639 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,333 was on the horizon. 1640 00:40:17,375 --> 00:40:19,500 The indictment would drop 1641 00:40:17,375 --> 00:40:19,500 within a couple months. 1642 00:40:23,041 --> 00:40:24,500 [Kevin] Rick will tell you that 1643 00:40:24,542 --> 00:40:28,875 it wasn't the smartest thing 1644 00:40:24,542 --> 00:40:28,875 to do, to date the wife 1645 00:40:28,917 --> 00:40:31,291 of a man you put in prison 1646 00:40:28,917 --> 00:40:31,291 or help put in prison. 1647 00:40:31,333 --> 00:40:32,625 Uh, but it happened. 1648 00:40:32,667 --> 00:40:33,917 I still wouldn't hold nothing 1649 00:40:32,667 --> 00:40:33,917 against that. 1650 00:40:33,959 --> 00:40:36,333 She was getting high. 1651 00:40:33,959 --> 00:40:36,333 What can you say, so... 1652 00:40:37,375 --> 00:40:40,750 [Wershe] I was a 17 year old 1653 00:40:37,375 --> 00:40:40,750 kid- I was having fun. 1654 00:40:40,792 --> 00:40:43,083 To be honest, dating her back 1655 00:40:40,792 --> 00:40:43,083 then was like- 1656 00:40:43,125 --> 00:40:45,000 dating a movie star or 1657 00:40:43,125 --> 00:40:45,000 something. 1658 00:40:45,041 --> 00:40:47,667 I remember one time, 1659 00:40:45,041 --> 00:40:47,667 back in those days, 1660 00:40:47,709 --> 00:40:50,208 I had a '63 black 1661 00:40:47,709 --> 00:40:50,208 Corvette convertible 1662 00:40:50,250 --> 00:40:51,792 with red interior. 1663 00:40:51,834 --> 00:40:53,583 [Chris] And I'm driving it 1664 00:40:51,834 --> 00:40:53,583 downtown. 1665 00:40:53,625 --> 00:40:54,792 Who comes driving by? 1666 00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:57,250 Rick Wershe and his friends. 1667 00:40:57,291 --> 00:40:59,166 And I forget what kind of car 1668 00:40:59,208 --> 00:41:00,291 but it was relatively 1669 00:40:59,208 --> 00:41:00,291 new and nice. 1670 00:41:00,333 --> 00:41:01,875 "Hey, Chris. What's going on?" 1671 00:41:01,917 --> 00:41:02,792 -[car whooshes] 1672 00:41:01,917 --> 00:41:02,792 - You speed off. 1673 00:41:04,166 --> 00:41:06,208 He was enjoying 1674 00:41:04,166 --> 00:41:06,208 the celebrity moment. 1675 00:41:06,875 --> 00:41:08,917 He was a kid. 1676 00:41:08,959 --> 00:41:10,959 And he was famous for all 1677 00:41:08,959 --> 00:41:10,959 the wrong reasons 1678 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,333 but he was living the life. 1679 00:41:13,625 --> 00:41:14,959 But I knew that was 1680 00:41:13,625 --> 00:41:14,959 White Boy Rick's ride. 1681 00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:18,083 [Nate] So we followed him. 1682 00:41:18,125 --> 00:41:20,250 I speeded up 1683 00:41:18,125 --> 00:41:20,250 trying to get to him. 1684 00:41:20,291 --> 00:41:24,417 [Wershe] Me and Roy were sitting 1685 00:41:20,291 --> 00:41:24,417 at a stoplight in a car- 1686 00:41:24,458 --> 00:41:28,542 and I happened to look over my 1687 00:41:24,458 --> 00:41:28,542 shoulder and I seen a van 1688 00:41:24,458 --> 00:41:28,542 pulling up. 1689 00:41:28,583 --> 00:41:30,542 And I saw the door sliding- 1690 00:41:30,583 --> 00:41:32,250 it was like cracked open. 1691 00:41:32,291 --> 00:41:34,875 And I told Roy, I said, "Roy, 1692 00:41:32,291 --> 00:41:34,875 run the light!" 1693 00:41:34,917 --> 00:41:36,917 We stopped. 1694 00:41:34,917 --> 00:41:36,917 That side door pulled open. 1695 00:41:36,959 --> 00:41:38,291 [Nate] 1696 00:41:36,959 --> 00:41:38,291 Who's siting in the chair? 1697 00:41:38,333 --> 00:41:39,709 [imitates gun firing, jamming] 1698 00:41:41,041 --> 00:41:43,000 "Man, hand me 1699 00:41:41,041 --> 00:41:43,000 another gun," I said. 1700 00:41:43,041 --> 00:41:44,500 I think we better reach 1701 00:41:43,041 --> 00:41:44,500 up in the... 1702 00:41:44,542 --> 00:41:46,875 By that time, 1703 00:41:44,542 --> 00:41:46,875 they had speeded off. 1704 00:41:46,917 --> 00:41:49,875 [Wershe] I mean they got shots 1705 00:41:46,917 --> 00:41:49,875 off- the car was hit. 1706 00:41:49,917 --> 00:41:51,917 That's the only reason why 1707 00:41:49,917 --> 00:41:51,917 he was still alive. 1708 00:41:51,959 --> 00:41:53,875 That MAC jammed on us. 1709 00:41:55,083 --> 00:41:57,709 [Wershe] I had friends that were 1710 00:41:55,083 --> 00:41:57,709 murdered. 1711 00:41:57,750 --> 00:42:01,417 To be honest, you're a kid and 1712 00:41:57,750 --> 00:42:01,417 you don't realize- 1713 00:42:01,458 --> 00:42:03,291 everyday that you were playing 1714 00:42:01,458 --> 00:42:03,291 with fire- 1715 00:42:03,333 --> 00:42:06,834 that you could walk out your 1716 00:42:03,333 --> 00:42:06,834 door one day and your life would 1717 00:42:03,333 --> 00:42:06,834 be over. 1718 00:42:06,875 --> 00:42:08,792 [ominous music] 1719 00:42:17,667 --> 00:42:19,709 [Ralph] And in that period 1720 00:42:17,667 --> 00:42:19,709 of time, 1721 00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:22,041 he became what is known 1722 00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:22,041 as a "wait man." 1723 00:42:22,542 --> 00:42:25,375 As a wait man, 1724 00:42:22,542 --> 00:42:25,375 he had a line of credit 1725 00:42:25,417 --> 00:42:28,834 with some drug importers 1726 00:42:25,417 --> 00:42:28,834 in Miami. 1727 00:42:29,458 --> 00:42:31,750 He brought a lot of drugs 1728 00:42:29,458 --> 00:42:31,750 into Detroit 1729 00:42:31,792 --> 00:42:33,125 in a very short period of time. 1730 00:42:33,166 --> 00:42:34,417 He was not a drug dealer 1731 00:42:33,166 --> 00:42:34,417 for very long, 1732 00:42:34,834 --> 00:42:38,166 but he was nowhere near 1733 00:42:34,834 --> 00:42:38,166 the big-time drug dealers. 1734 00:42:38,208 --> 00:42:40,291 [Johnny] From a scale 1735 00:42:38,208 --> 00:42:40,291 to one to ten, 1736 00:42:40,333 --> 00:42:42,875 I'm a ten, 1737 00:42:40,333 --> 00:42:42,875 I'd say he was about a two. 1738 00:42:43,834 --> 00:42:44,959 Rick was nowhere near me. 1739 00:42:45,625 --> 00:42:48,417 Guys like the Chambers 1740 00:42:45,625 --> 00:42:48,417 or guys like the Currys 1741 00:42:48,458 --> 00:42:52,542 they controlled whole sections 1742 00:42:48,458 --> 00:42:52,542 of the city. 1743 00:42:53,083 --> 00:42:55,125 Rick didn't control anything. 1744 00:42:55,625 --> 00:42:56,959 I used to say, 1745 00:42:55,625 --> 00:42:56,959 "Where did they... 1746 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,083 Where is they getting 1747 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,083 this stuff from? 1748 00:42:59,125 --> 00:43:01,500 I guess this Chris Hansen guy. 1749 00:42:59,125 --> 00:43:01,500 I don't know." 1750 00:43:01,542 --> 00:43:04,166 I never set out 1751 00:43:01,542 --> 00:43:04,166 to make Rick look like 1752 00:43:04,208 --> 00:43:05,917 a bigger drug dealer 1753 00:43:04,208 --> 00:43:05,917 than he was. 1754 00:43:07,875 --> 00:43:08,542 [Chris] Were there 1755 00:43:07,875 --> 00:43:08,542 some exaggerations? 1756 00:43:08,583 --> 00:43:09,875 Perhaps. 1757 00:43:09,917 --> 00:43:11,000 [Scott] There were 1758 00:43:09,917 --> 00:43:11,000 seeds of truth 1759 00:43:11,041 --> 00:43:13,208 to what they were saying. 1760 00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:15,792 He was socializing with all 1761 00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:15,792 of the major players, 1762 00:43:15,834 --> 00:43:18,834 so it was hard for the media 1763 00:43:15,834 --> 00:43:18,834 to divorce that. 1764 00:43:18,875 --> 00:43:21,166 You know, whether he was 1765 00:43:18,875 --> 00:43:21,166 a drug kingpin, 1766 00:43:21,208 --> 00:43:24,834 a drug lord, a drug prince, 1767 00:43:21,208 --> 00:43:24,834 a drug prodigy, 1768 00:43:24,875 --> 00:43:28,959 he was a 17-year-old kid 1769 00:43:24,875 --> 00:43:28,959 dealing multi-kilos of dope 1770 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,000 and very few adults do that. 1771 00:43:31,041 --> 00:43:33,041 Rick couldn't deal 1772 00:43:31,041 --> 00:43:33,041 with a lot of guys... 1773 00:43:33,083 --> 00:43:35,083 A lot of people 1774 00:43:33,083 --> 00:43:35,083 that I've dealt with, 1775 00:43:35,125 --> 00:43:36,834 Rick couldn't even see them. 1776 00:43:36,875 --> 00:43:38,250 Johnny and his brother, 1777 00:43:38,291 --> 00:43:39,959 and his people, 1778 00:43:38,291 --> 00:43:39,959 they were grown men. 1779 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,000 These are grown men. 1780 00:43:42,041 --> 00:43:43,291 [Steve] And this was a kid. 1781 00:43:42,041 --> 00:43:43,291 That's the difference. 1782 00:43:43,333 --> 00:43:45,250 A 17-year-old white kid? 1783 00:43:45,291 --> 00:43:46,709 It was impossible for him 1784 00:43:45,291 --> 00:43:46,709 to have been 1785 00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:48,208 what people have pretended 1786 00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:48,208 that he was. 1787 00:43:48,959 --> 00:43:51,792 [Wershe] It wasn't like I went 1788 00:43:48,959 --> 00:43:51,792 out and said- 1789 00:43:51,834 --> 00:43:54,417 I want to become this big drug 1790 00:43:51,834 --> 00:43:54,417 dealer and- 1791 00:43:54,458 --> 00:43:57,291 want everyone in the state of 1792 00:43:54,458 --> 00:43:57,291 Michigan to know me. 1793 00:43:57,333 --> 00:44:00,250 I was led down this path by law 1794 00:43:57,333 --> 00:44:00,250 enforcement. 1795 00:44:00,291 --> 00:44:03,041 I think about every day if I 1796 00:44:00,291 --> 00:44:03,041 would have walked away. 1797 00:44:03,083 --> 00:44:05,417 I was a kid. I was stupid. 1798 00:44:05,458 --> 00:44:07,875 So, when you look at it 1799 00:44:05,458 --> 00:44:07,875 at the end of the day, 1800 00:44:07,917 --> 00:44:09,834 you know, law enforcement 1801 00:44:09,875 --> 00:44:12,166 created, almost 1802 00:44:09,875 --> 00:44:12,166 a perfect criminal. 1803 00:44:12,208 --> 00:44:14,834 [Scott] And law enforcement 1804 00:44:12,208 --> 00:44:14,834 created the perfect persona, 1805 00:44:14,875 --> 00:44:16,625 a perfect character 1806 00:44:14,875 --> 00:44:16,625 for the local news, 1807 00:44:16,667 --> 00:44:18,417 for the local media, 1808 00:44:16,667 --> 00:44:18,417 and they ate it up. 1809 00:44:19,208 --> 00:44:20,417 I covered it a lot. 1810 00:44:21,917 --> 00:44:23,417 Rick will say 1811 00:44:21,917 --> 00:44:23,417 I had him on TV every day. 1812 00:44:23,458 --> 00:44:24,792 Obviously, that's not true. 1813 00:44:24,834 --> 00:44:26,750 He's just saying that 1814 00:44:24,834 --> 00:44:26,750 to make a point. 1815 00:44:26,792 --> 00:44:27,917 They convicted me 1816 00:44:26,792 --> 00:44:27,917 through the media, 1817 00:44:28,166 --> 00:44:29,959 through the papers. 1818 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,875 I was the public enemy 1819 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,875 number one 1820 00:44:31,917 --> 00:44:35,709 and they said stuff 1821 00:44:31,917 --> 00:44:35,709 that was totally untrue. 1822 00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:38,500 Were there stories about him 1823 00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:38,500 ordering hits on people 1824 00:44:38,542 --> 00:44:40,166 that weren't true 1825 00:44:38,542 --> 00:44:40,166 floating around? 1826 00:44:40,208 --> 00:44:41,709 Absolutely. I heard them. 1827 00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:43,166 But they never 1828 00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:43,166 prosecuted him for it. 1829 00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:46,375 My grandfather who was 1830 00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:46,375 a judge in Detroit 1831 00:44:46,417 --> 00:44:49,166 at the time of Mr. Wershe's case 1832 00:44:49,208 --> 00:44:52,166 had presided over his case 1833 00:44:49,208 --> 00:44:52,166 for a brief period of time. 1834 00:44:52,208 --> 00:44:54,917 [Dana] And he calls him, 1835 00:44:52,208 --> 00:44:54,917 "Worse than a mass murderer," 1836 00:44:54,959 --> 00:44:57,125 and gave him 1837 00:44:54,959 --> 00:44:57,125 a one-million-dollar bond. 1838 00:44:57,166 --> 00:44:59,959 It was the highest bond 1839 00:44:57,166 --> 00:44:59,959 my grandfather had ever set 1840 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,250 for any defendant. 1841 00:45:01,291 --> 00:45:02,625 If you have so much evidence 1842 00:45:02,667 --> 00:45:05,000 that he's been involved 1843 00:45:02,667 --> 00:45:05,000 in a drug hit, 1844 00:45:05,041 --> 00:45:06,041 bring a case. 1845 00:45:07,417 --> 00:45:09,333 If not, 1846 00:45:07,417 --> 00:45:09,333 rumors don't count in court. 1847 00:45:09,375 --> 00:45:11,959 On May 23rd, 1987, 1848 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,208 Rick Wershe and a man 1849 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,208 named Roy Grissom 1850 00:45:14,250 --> 00:45:17,792 were arrested driving 1851 00:45:14,250 --> 00:45:17,792 down Hampshire near Dickerson. 1852 00:45:17,834 --> 00:45:19,291 [Ralph] It ended with his arrest 1853 00:45:19,333 --> 00:45:21,625 which is kind of 1854 00:45:19,333 --> 00:45:21,625 an interesting story 1855 00:45:21,667 --> 00:45:23,959 because it was probably a setup. 1856 00:45:24,917 --> 00:45:27,125 [Scott] Rick, at this point, 1857 00:45:24,917 --> 00:45:27,125 has hooked up 1858 00:45:27,166 --> 00:45:30,083 with two Colombian 1859 00:45:27,166 --> 00:45:30,083 wholesale cocaine dealers 1860 00:45:30,125 --> 00:45:31,917 in Miami. 1861 00:45:31,959 --> 00:45:36,291 They would send kilos up 1862 00:45:31,959 --> 00:45:36,291 to Detroit in trailers. 1863 00:45:36,333 --> 00:45:40,208 He got a shipment. I believe, 1864 00:45:36,333 --> 00:45:40,208 it was an 18-kilo shipment. 1865 00:45:40,250 --> 00:45:44,125 They drop off ten kilos 1866 00:45:40,250 --> 00:45:44,125 of cocaine to a customer 1867 00:45:44,166 --> 00:45:47,250 and they have a pile of cash 1868 00:45:44,166 --> 00:45:47,250 in the car. 1869 00:45:47,291 --> 00:45:49,667 And they passed a police car 1870 00:45:49,709 --> 00:45:52,875 that was just, um, 1871 00:45:49,709 --> 00:45:52,875 routine traffic duty. 1872 00:45:53,333 --> 00:45:55,792 And I believe he actually waved 1873 00:45:53,333 --> 00:45:55,792 at the police officer 1874 00:45:55,834 --> 00:45:56,792 because he knew him. 1875 00:45:58,959 --> 00:46:00,417 [Kevin] They're driving home. 1876 00:45:58,959 --> 00:46:00,417 They get pulled over. 1877 00:46:00,458 --> 00:46:01,542 Allegedly for going through 1878 00:46:00,458 --> 00:46:01,542 a stop sign. 1879 00:46:01,583 --> 00:46:03,500 [Scott] At this point, 1880 00:46:03,542 --> 00:46:05,250 there's a bunch of people 1881 00:46:03,542 --> 00:46:05,250 on the porch 1882 00:46:05,291 --> 00:46:07,166 including Rick's sister, Dawn. 1883 00:46:07,208 --> 00:46:09,583 And we watched it all unfold. 1884 00:46:09,625 --> 00:46:11,834 He said, "Okay, guys, 1885 00:46:09,625 --> 00:46:11,834 what's going on?" 1886 00:46:11,875 --> 00:46:13,375 And they said, 1887 00:46:11,875 --> 00:46:13,375 "You're under arrest." 1888 00:46:13,709 --> 00:46:15,291 And he said, "For what?" 1889 00:46:15,333 --> 00:46:17,041 And they said, 1890 00:46:15,333 --> 00:46:17,041 "Possession of drugs." 1891 00:46:17,083 --> 00:46:19,333 And he told them, 1892 00:46:17,083 --> 00:46:19,333 "I don't have any drugs." 1893 00:46:19,375 --> 00:46:20,417 And they said they were 1894 00:46:19,375 --> 00:46:20,417 in the car. 1895 00:46:20,458 --> 00:46:22,208 He said, "Search it." 1896 00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:26,166 One of the police officers 1897 00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:26,166 reaches into the back of the car 1898 00:46:26,208 --> 00:46:28,166 and pulls out a bag 1899 00:46:26,208 --> 00:46:28,166 with the cash. 1900 00:46:28,667 --> 00:46:32,083 So my dad ran out there 1901 00:46:28,667 --> 00:46:32,083 and grabbed the bag of money. 1902 00:46:32,125 --> 00:46:34,750 Officers say a tussle started. 1903 00:46:34,792 --> 00:46:38,875 A fight almost between Wershe, 1904 00:46:34,792 --> 00:46:38,875 Grissom, and the officers. 1905 00:46:38,917 --> 00:46:41,291 Investigators say 1906 00:46:38,917 --> 00:46:41,291 that Wershe took off running. 1907 00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:44,333 [Scott] About 25 minutes, 1908 00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:44,333 a half-hour later, 1909 00:46:44,375 --> 00:46:46,083 the police find him 1910 00:46:46,125 --> 00:46:47,750 and they roughed him up 1911 00:46:46,125 --> 00:46:47,750 pretty good. 1912 00:46:47,792 --> 00:46:49,583 To the point where he had 1913 00:46:47,792 --> 00:46:49,583 to go to the hospital. 1914 00:46:49,625 --> 00:46:51,375 So, the next three 1915 00:46:49,625 --> 00:46:51,375 or four hours, 1916 00:46:51,417 --> 00:46:52,583 the police are combing 1917 00:46:51,417 --> 00:46:52,583 the neighborhood 1918 00:46:52,625 --> 00:46:53,875 looking for drugs. 1919 00:46:53,917 --> 00:46:55,667 They got an anonymous tip. 1920 00:46:55,709 --> 00:46:57,250 [Chris] Later, 1921 00:46:55,709 --> 00:46:57,250 more police arrived 1922 00:46:57,291 --> 00:46:59,041 and eventually they found 1923 00:46:59,083 --> 00:47:00,917 a box containing 1924 00:46:59,083 --> 00:47:00,917 eight kilos of cocaine 1925 00:47:00,959 --> 00:47:02,208 under this back porch, 1926 00:47:00,959 --> 00:47:02,208 a block away 1927 00:47:02,250 --> 00:47:03,250 from the traffic stop. 1928 00:47:04,750 --> 00:47:09,542 [Wershe] 1929 00:47:04,750 --> 00:47:09,542 I was responsible for those 1930 00:47:04,750 --> 00:47:09,542 drugs. I had to pay the people 1931 00:47:04,750 --> 00:47:09,542 in Miami for those drugs. 1932 00:47:09,583 --> 00:47:11,250 [Kevin] Rick believes 1933 00:47:09,583 --> 00:47:11,250 that it was a setup. 1934 00:47:11,291 --> 00:47:12,250 That they were watching him 1935 00:47:14,375 --> 00:47:15,834 and they knew 1936 00:47:14,375 --> 00:47:15,834 he would have drugs or money. 1937 00:47:15,875 --> 00:47:17,458 And they say that when he 1938 00:47:15,875 --> 00:47:17,458 ran out of the car, 1939 00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:19,291 he hid the cocaine 1940 00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:19,291 underneath a porch 1941 00:47:19,333 --> 00:47:21,208 and continued to run away. 1942 00:47:21,250 --> 00:47:23,166 And he's charged 1943 00:47:21,250 --> 00:47:23,166 with that crime. 1944 00:47:23,208 --> 00:47:26,166 The attorney that was 1945 00:47:23,208 --> 00:47:26,166 representing him at the time 1946 00:47:26,208 --> 00:47:29,291 was an attorney 1947 00:47:26,208 --> 00:47:29,291 by the name of William Bufalino. 1948 00:47:29,333 --> 00:47:33,417 And he brought motions 1949 00:47:29,333 --> 00:47:33,417 to suppress the evidence. 1950 00:47:33,875 --> 00:47:35,542 [Ralph] Shortly thereafter, 1951 00:47:35,583 --> 00:47:38,125 Coleman Young's niece told Rick, 1952 00:47:38,166 --> 00:47:40,166 "Everything will be okay 1953 00:47:40,208 --> 00:47:41,917 but you need to get 1954 00:47:40,208 --> 00:47:41,917 different attorneys." 1955 00:47:41,959 --> 00:47:43,291 [Kevin] They decided 1956 00:47:41,959 --> 00:47:43,291 that they needed 1957 00:47:43,333 --> 00:47:45,291 an African-American attorney. 1958 00:47:45,333 --> 00:47:46,834 And that it would look better 1959 00:47:45,333 --> 00:47:46,834 to the jury. 1960 00:47:48,542 --> 00:47:50,417 [Ralph] "Hire Ed Bell 1961 00:47:48,542 --> 00:47:50,417 and Sam Gardner 1962 00:47:50,458 --> 00:47:52,667 and everything will be okay." 1963 00:47:52,709 --> 00:47:55,458 When they went forward, 1964 00:47:52,709 --> 00:47:55,458 they changed their strategy. 1965 00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:58,625 They, they decided 1966 00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:58,625 not to heavily pursue the idea 1967 00:47:58,667 --> 00:48:00,208 that these drugs 1968 00:47:58,667 --> 00:48:00,208 where not Rick's. 1969 00:48:00,250 --> 00:48:01,250 Fatal mistake. 1970 00:48:02,709 --> 00:48:06,709 [Wershe] 1971 00:48:02,709 --> 00:48:06,709 Sam Gardner was Coleman Young's 1972 00:48:02,709 --> 00:48:06,709 lawyer at the time, and- 1973 00:48:06,750 --> 00:48:08,750 the only reason they were 1974 00:48:06,750 --> 00:48:08,750 brought in- 1975 00:48:08,792 --> 00:48:09,875 was to watch me. 1976 00:48:09,917 --> 00:48:11,583 It wasn't to help me. 1977 00:48:11,625 --> 00:48:14,333 Basically, every time I went 1978 00:48:11,625 --> 00:48:14,333 to see him, he just told me, 1979 00:48:14,375 --> 00:48:17,333 "I had nothing to worry about. 1980 00:48:14,375 --> 00:48:17,333 Things were looking good." 1981 00:48:17,875 --> 00:48:20,333 I was told at one time 1982 00:48:17,875 --> 00:48:20,333 that I wouldn't go to trial. 1983 00:48:20,375 --> 00:48:22,583 He didn't think 1984 00:48:20,375 --> 00:48:22,583 that we would go to trial. 1985 00:48:22,625 --> 00:48:24,291 Before they went to trial, 1986 00:48:24,333 --> 00:48:26,250 his trial attorneys agreed 1987 00:48:26,291 --> 00:48:29,458 to withdraw all 1988 00:48:26,291 --> 00:48:29,458 the pretrial motions. 1989 00:48:30,125 --> 00:48:33,166 [Ralph] They agreed not to admit 1990 00:48:30,125 --> 00:48:33,166 any evidence 1991 00:48:33,208 --> 00:48:34,625 in front of the jury 1992 00:48:34,667 --> 00:48:36,709 that he had been working 1993 00:48:34,667 --> 00:48:36,709 for the government 1994 00:48:36,750 --> 00:48:37,917 since he was 14. 1995 00:48:39,291 --> 00:48:40,333 So, the jury never heard that. 1996 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,917 [Wershe] 1997 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,917 Basically I think the fix was 1998 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,917 in- 1999 00:48:43,959 --> 00:48:46,792 and Coleman didn't want me on 2000 00:48:43,959 --> 00:48:46,792 the streets anymore. 2001 00:48:46,834 --> 00:48:48,917 So them being my attorneys- 2002 00:48:48,959 --> 00:48:50,917 I think they tanked the case. 2003 00:48:50,959 --> 00:48:52,667 [Steve] I think it was 2004 00:48:50,959 --> 00:48:52,667 like a whirlwind 2005 00:48:52,709 --> 00:48:53,959 that just kind of swept them up. 2006 00:48:56,333 --> 00:48:58,291 'Cause the phone conversation 2007 00:48:56,333 --> 00:48:58,291 I remember having with him, 2008 00:48:58,333 --> 00:49:00,000 he was kind of baffled 2009 00:48:58,333 --> 00:49:00,000 by his notoriety. 2010 00:49:00,041 --> 00:49:01,291 And then that time 2011 00:49:00,041 --> 00:49:01,291 when I saw him, 2012 00:49:01,333 --> 00:49:02,625 you know, 2013 00:49:01,333 --> 00:49:02,625 he's waiting on his jury 2014 00:49:02,667 --> 00:49:04,417 and all these assholes 2015 00:49:02,667 --> 00:49:04,417 are around him. 2016 00:49:04,458 --> 00:49:06,166 All of them wanted him 2017 00:49:04,458 --> 00:49:06,166 to be convicted 2018 00:49:06,208 --> 00:49:07,542 I'm sure, that's why 2019 00:49:06,208 --> 00:49:07,542 they showed up. 2020 00:49:07,583 --> 00:49:09,875 {\an8}Rick took the nickname 2021 00:49:07,583 --> 00:49:09,875 {\an8}and ran with it. 2022 00:49:09,917 --> 00:49:12,500 {\an8}I mean, he didn't have 2023 00:49:09,917 --> 00:49:12,500 {\an8}to wear the fur coats. 2024 00:49:12,542 --> 00:49:14,125 {\an8}He didn't have 2025 00:49:12,542 --> 00:49:14,125 {\an8}to show up to trial 2026 00:49:14,166 --> 00:49:16,000 {\an8}with a whole crew of little kids 2027 00:49:16,041 --> 00:49:18,291 {\an8}wearing beepers and gold chains. 2028 00:49:18,333 --> 00:49:21,208 {\an8}He came to court 2029 00:49:18,333 --> 00:49:21,208 {\an8}like a drug dealer. 2030 00:49:21,250 --> 00:49:23,458 {\an8}I said, "Rick, if those jurors 2031 00:49:21,250 --> 00:49:23,458 {\an8}see all these little crooks 2032 00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:24,875 {\an8}running around with you, 2033 00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:24,875 {\an8}you're dead." 2034 00:49:24,917 --> 00:49:26,875 {\an8}We was told 2035 00:49:24,917 --> 00:49:26,875 {\an8}to show up down there 2036 00:49:26,917 --> 00:49:29,375 {\an8}with our expensive cars, 2037 00:49:26,917 --> 00:49:29,375 {\an8}jewelry, 2038 00:49:29,417 --> 00:49:31,583 {\an8}and just get in front 2039 00:49:29,417 --> 00:49:31,583 {\an8}of the news. 2040 00:49:31,625 --> 00:49:34,458 {\an8}[Nate] These all his workers. 2041 00:49:31,625 --> 00:49:34,458 {\an8}Kingpin is on trial. 2042 00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:36,583 {\an8}Drug lord is on trial. 2043 00:49:36,625 --> 00:49:39,291 {\an8}And his friends down here 2044 00:49:36,625 --> 00:49:39,291 {\an8}trying to free him. 2045 00:49:39,333 --> 00:49:41,750 {\an8}Of course, it hurt him. There's 2046 00:49:39,333 --> 00:49:41,750 {\an8}no doubt about it, it hurt him. 2047 00:49:41,792 --> 00:49:44,500 {\an8}Same police officers 2048 00:49:41,792 --> 00:49:44,500 {\an8}paid us to do that. 2049 00:49:45,458 --> 00:49:46,750 {\an8}[Nate] Ain't nobody ever 2050 00:49:46,792 --> 00:49:48,750 {\an8}heard of him being no drug lord 2051 00:49:48,792 --> 00:49:50,792 {\an8}until they print that shit 2052 00:49:48,792 --> 00:49:50,792 {\an8}in the paper. 2053 00:49:50,834 --> 00:49:53,583 {\an8}Where the hell 2054 00:49:50,834 --> 00:49:53,583 {\an8}was he a kingpin of? 2055 00:49:53,625 --> 00:49:55,041 {\an8}Us blacks? 2056 00:49:55,083 --> 00:49:56,542 {\an8}Oh, hell no. 2057 00:49:56,583 --> 00:49:58,625 {\an8}We made it seem like that, 2058 00:49:56,583 --> 00:49:58,625 {\an8}but he wasn't. 2059 00:49:58,959 --> 00:50:02,125 {\an8}They had this newspaper article 2060 00:49:58,959 --> 00:50:02,125 {\an8}where they actually listed him 2061 00:50:02,166 --> 00:50:04,083 {\an8}as the leader 2062 00:50:02,166 --> 00:50:04,083 {\an8}of the Best Friends gang. 2063 00:50:04,125 --> 00:50:06,000 {\an8}Which is crazy, you know. 2064 00:50:06,041 --> 00:50:07,083 {\an8}Best Friends were like 2065 00:50:06,041 --> 00:50:07,083 {\an8}this hit gang 2066 00:50:07,125 --> 00:50:08,458 that had over a hundred murders. 2067 00:50:08,500 --> 00:50:10,458 It's just incredible and crazy. 2068 00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:12,583 [Joe] We had to rely 2069 00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:12,583 on law enforcement. 2070 00:50:12,625 --> 00:50:14,542 We saw the documents. 2071 00:50:12,625 --> 00:50:14,542 We saw them firsthand. 2072 00:50:15,166 --> 00:50:18,375 They were shared with us 2073 00:50:15,166 --> 00:50:18,375 and we did our best to vet them. 2074 00:50:18,625 --> 00:50:20,625 But we were certainly 2075 00:50:18,625 --> 00:50:20,625 not making stuff up 2076 00:50:20,667 --> 00:50:22,250 or fabricating. 2077 00:50:22,291 --> 00:50:24,417 There was enough going on 2078 00:50:22,291 --> 00:50:24,417 to keep us all busy 2079 00:50:24,458 --> 00:50:25,875 with crazy-enough stories. 2080 00:50:27,792 --> 00:50:29,500 You had characters 2081 00:50:27,792 --> 00:50:29,500 like Maserati Rick 2082 00:50:29,542 --> 00:50:31,083 who survived 2083 00:50:29,542 --> 00:50:31,083 an assassination attempt 2084 00:50:31,125 --> 00:50:33,667 and then was murdered 2085 00:50:31,125 --> 00:50:33,667 in his hospital bed. 2086 00:50:33,709 --> 00:50:35,625 And in the nightstand 2087 00:50:33,709 --> 00:50:35,625 was a pistol 2088 00:50:35,667 --> 00:50:37,709 and a crucifix 2089 00:50:35,667 --> 00:50:37,709 and, uh, rosary beads. 2090 00:50:38,125 --> 00:50:40,792 He was buried in 2091 00:50:38,125 --> 00:50:40,792 a Mercedes-Benz coffin. 2092 00:50:40,834 --> 00:50:42,500 So you didn't have 2093 00:50:40,834 --> 00:50:42,500 to make stuff up. 2094 00:50:43,041 --> 00:50:45,417 But that's how the cops 2095 00:50:43,041 --> 00:50:45,417 had it set up. 2096 00:50:46,208 --> 00:50:49,291 And that's how they listed him 2097 00:50:46,208 --> 00:50:49,291 and that's how we reported it. 2098 00:50:49,333 --> 00:50:51,583 And that's how we sourced it 2099 00:50:49,333 --> 00:50:51,583 in the story 2100 00:50:51,625 --> 00:50:53,583 and the graphic illustrations, 2101 00:50:53,625 --> 00:50:55,667 that this was based 2102 00:50:53,625 --> 00:50:55,667 on law enforcement documents 2103 00:50:55,709 --> 00:50:56,750 and sources. 2104 00:50:56,792 --> 00:50:58,709 It was a political move. 2105 00:50:58,750 --> 00:51:01,125 [Nate] That's why they 2106 00:50:58,750 --> 00:51:01,125 could put him away forever. 2107 00:51:01,709 --> 00:51:08,250 [Wershe] 2108 00:51:01,709 --> 00:51:08,250 Nate was showing up down there- 2109 00:51:01,709 --> 00:51:08,250 which we saw Nate there- to try 2110 00:51:01,709 --> 00:51:08,250 and do some harm to me. 2111 00:51:08,291 --> 00:51:10,333 [Nate] I was trying to shoot him 2112 00:51:08,291 --> 00:51:10,333 out at the courthouse. 2113 00:51:10,375 --> 00:51:12,500 We had the van 2114 00:51:10,375 --> 00:51:12,500 already parked up on Gratiot. 2115 00:51:13,125 --> 00:51:15,959 I already had the scope 2116 00:51:13,125 --> 00:51:15,959 and everything scoped in, 2117 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,458 but, at that point, 2118 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,458 they walked him underneath 2119 00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:21,333 into the courthouse. 2120 00:51:21,375 --> 00:51:22,875 "What do you mean 2121 00:51:21,375 --> 00:51:22,875 he in the courtroom?" 2122 00:51:22,917 --> 00:51:24,709 They said, "Yeah, 2123 00:51:22,917 --> 00:51:24,709 he in the courtroom." 2124 00:51:24,750 --> 00:51:27,083 [Wershe] 2125 00:51:24,750 --> 00:51:27,083 Of course we were a little more 2126 00:51:24,750 --> 00:51:27,083 careful and- 2127 00:51:27,125 --> 00:51:30,792 when we left the 2128 00:51:27,125 --> 00:51:30,792 courthouse, or where we parked 2129 00:51:27,125 --> 00:51:30,792 the car, or whatever. 2130 00:51:30,834 --> 00:51:33,583 He wasn't 2131 00:51:30,834 --> 00:51:33,583 there to wish me well at trial. 2132 00:51:33,625 --> 00:51:35,542 And he was convicted 2133 00:51:35,583 --> 00:51:37,542 and, after that, it was easy. 2134 00:51:38,291 --> 00:51:40,250 [Ralph] You're going to jail. 2135 00:51:40,291 --> 00:51:41,458 You're never gonna see 2136 00:51:40,291 --> 00:51:41,458 the light of day. 2137 00:51:41,500 --> 00:51:43,458 [foreboding music] 2138 00:51:47,375 --> 00:51:50,166 [Herm] This operation 2139 00:51:47,375 --> 00:51:50,166 was called Operation Backbone. 2140 00:51:50,208 --> 00:51:51,583 The reason I named it Backbone, 2141 00:51:52,083 --> 00:51:53,208 I figured you need some backbone 2142 00:51:53,250 --> 00:51:55,250 to work this case, you know. 2143 00:51:55,291 --> 00:51:56,458 At that time, 2144 00:51:55,291 --> 00:51:56,458 it was the most significant 2145 00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:58,208 police corruption investigation 2146 00:51:58,250 --> 00:51:59,667 in the state of Michigan. 2147 00:51:59,709 --> 00:52:01,041 {\an8}The objective was 2148 00:52:01,083 --> 00:52:03,000 {\an8}I knew through 2149 00:52:01,083 --> 00:52:03,000 {\an8}the Curry investigation 2150 00:52:03,041 --> 00:52:05,750 {\an8}and the Damion Lucas homicide 2151 00:52:05,792 --> 00:52:08,625 {\an8}that that investigation 2152 00:52:05,792 --> 00:52:08,625 {\an8}was partly compromised. 2153 00:52:08,667 --> 00:52:10,250 {\an8}And I knew that there were 2154 00:52:08,667 --> 00:52:10,250 {\an8}corrupt police officers 2155 00:52:10,291 --> 00:52:11,333 {\an8}involved in this thing. 2156 00:52:11,375 --> 00:52:12,709 {\an8}So, that was the objective, 2157 00:52:12,750 --> 00:52:13,875 {\an8}to get these corrupt cops. 2158 00:52:15,583 --> 00:52:16,875 {\an8}[Ralph] And he called 2159 00:52:15,583 --> 00:52:16,875 {\an8}out of the blue 2160 00:52:16,917 --> 00:52:18,750 {\an8}and I said, 2161 00:52:16,917 --> 00:52:18,750 {\an8}"What's going on, Rick?" 2162 00:52:18,792 --> 00:52:23,792 {\an8}He said, "Well, the FBI is here 2163 00:52:18,792 --> 00:52:23,792 {\an8}and they want me to help them. 2164 00:52:23,834 --> 00:52:25,583 {\an8}They have said 2165 00:52:23,834 --> 00:52:25,583 {\an8}that they will help me 2166 00:52:25,625 --> 00:52:27,250 {\an8}if I help them." 2167 00:52:27,291 --> 00:52:29,583 {\an8}"But if you cooperate 2168 00:52:27,291 --> 00:52:29,583 {\an8}on this undercover project 2169 00:52:29,625 --> 00:52:31,083 {\an8}and everything works fine, 2170 00:52:31,125 --> 00:52:32,625 {\an8}the best I can do is, 2171 00:52:32,667 --> 00:52:34,834 {\an8}maybe, take you out 2172 00:52:32,667 --> 00:52:34,834 {\an8}of the state custody 2173 00:52:34,875 --> 00:52:37,291 {\an8}and put you in the Federal 2174 00:52:34,875 --> 00:52:37,291 {\an8}Witness Protection Program 2175 00:52:37,333 --> 00:52:39,959 {\an8}in a federal facility 2176 00:52:37,333 --> 00:52:39,959 {\an8}with other informants. 2177 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,834 {\an8}And it might just be 2178 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,834 {\an8}a better situation. 2179 00:52:41,875 --> 00:52:45,166 {\an8}And if you ever 2180 00:52:41,875 --> 00:52:45,166 {\an8}become eligible for parole, 2181 00:52:45,208 --> 00:52:46,834 {\an8}I'll come back 2182 00:52:45,208 --> 00:52:46,834 {\an8}and testify for you. 2183 00:52:46,875 --> 00:52:48,291 {\an8}I'll tell them what you did." 2184 00:52:48,333 --> 00:52:49,917 {\an8}He said, "You know what?" 2185 00:52:49,959 --> 00:52:52,834 {\an8}We shook hands and that 2186 00:52:49,959 --> 00:52:52,834 {\an8}was the agreement we made. 2187 00:52:52,875 --> 00:52:55,917 {\an8}And the Feds, during that time, 2188 00:52:52,875 --> 00:52:55,917 {\an8}were chasing Coleman Young hard. 2189 00:52:55,959 --> 00:52:58,166 {\an8}They wanted to bring down 2190 00:52:55,959 --> 00:52:58,166 {\an8}the mayor of Detroit. 2191 00:52:58,208 --> 00:53:02,166 {\an8}[Wershe] 2192 00:52:58,208 --> 00:53:02,166 {\an8}The FBI wanted to use my 2193 00:52:58,208 --> 00:53:02,166 {\an8}relationship with Cathy- 2194 00:53:02,208 --> 00:53:03,750 {\an8}to target the mayor- 2195 00:53:03,792 --> 00:53:07,000 {\an8}as well as police corruption 2196 00:53:03,792 --> 00:53:07,000 {\an8}within the city of Detroit. 2197 00:53:07,041 --> 00:53:08,834 {\an8}They were targetting Willie 2198 00:53:07,041 --> 00:53:08,834 {\an8}Volson. 2199 00:53:08,875 --> 00:53:11,375 {\an8}He was married to the mayor's 2200 00:53:08,875 --> 00:53:11,375 {\an8}sister. 2201 00:53:11,417 --> 00:53:13,542 {\an8}He was Cathy's father of course 2202 00:53:11,417 --> 00:53:13,542 {\an8}and- 2203 00:53:13,583 --> 00:53:15,667 {\an8}everyone knew that Willie had 2204 00:53:13,583 --> 00:53:15,667 {\an8}pull- 2205 00:53:15,709 --> 00:53:17,959 {\an8}throughout the city of Detroit. 2206 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,083 {\an8}The other target of operation 2207 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,083 {\an8}was Jimmy Harris. 2208 00:53:21,125 --> 00:53:24,458 {\an8}He was a high ranking Detroit 2209 00:53:21,125 --> 00:53:24,458 {\an8}police official. 2210 00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:27,041 {\an8}He did whatever mayor Young told 2211 00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:27,041 {\an8}him to do. 2212 00:53:27,083 --> 00:53:30,875 {\an8}He covered up the thinks that 2213 00:53:27,083 --> 00:53:30,875 {\an8}the mayor's family did. 2214 00:53:30,917 --> 00:53:32,792 {\an8}To my knowledge, for the right 2215 00:53:30,917 --> 00:53:32,792 {\an8}price- 2216 00:53:32,834 --> 00:53:35,125 {\an8}they were willing to protect 2217 00:53:32,834 --> 00:53:35,125 {\an8}drug shipments- 2218 00:53:35,166 --> 00:53:37,000 {\an8}from anywhere, I mean- 2219 00:53:37,041 --> 00:53:40,208 {\an8}if it was in the city of Detroit 2220 00:53:37,041 --> 00:53:40,208 {\an8}and they could make a buck off 2221 00:53:37,041 --> 00:53:40,208 {\an8}of it- 2222 00:53:40,250 --> 00:53:42,875 {\an8}they were willing to provide 2223 00:53:40,250 --> 00:53:42,875 {\an8}that police protection. 2224 00:53:42,917 --> 00:53:45,750 {\an8}[Herm] So, I got 2225 00:53:42,917 --> 00:53:45,750 {\an8}Rick Wershe's sister, Dawn, 2226 00:53:45,792 --> 00:53:47,375 {\an8}to cooperate with me as well. 2227 00:53:47,417 --> 00:53:49,375 {\an8}And she had a relationship 2228 00:53:47,417 --> 00:53:49,375 {\an8}with Cathy. 2229 00:53:49,417 --> 00:53:52,500 {\an8}I had an agent 2230 00:53:49,417 --> 00:53:52,500 {\an8}by the name of Mike Castro 2231 00:53:52,542 --> 00:53:54,542 {\an8}who had served extensively 2232 00:53:52,542 --> 00:53:54,542 {\an8}in the Caribbean 2233 00:53:54,583 --> 00:53:56,500 {\an8}and knew the Caribbean 2234 00:53:54,583 --> 00:53:56,500 {\an8}pretty well. 2235 00:53:56,542 --> 00:54:00,000 [Wershe] 2236 00:53:56,542 --> 00:54:00,000 I introduced Mike Castro- who 2237 00:53:56,542 --> 00:54:00,000 was the undercover FBI agent- 2238 00:54:00,041 --> 00:54:04,792 to Cathy. He posed as my 2239 00:54:00,041 --> 00:54:04,792 supplier from Miami. 2240 00:54:04,834 --> 00:54:08,583 And me knowing Cathy and her 2241 00:54:04,834 --> 00:54:08,583 family- how greedy they were- 2242 00:54:08,625 --> 00:54:11,125 I knew Cathy would cut into 2243 00:54:08,625 --> 00:54:11,125 him- 2244 00:54:11,166 --> 00:54:12,500 and that's exactly what 2245 00:54:11,166 --> 00:54:12,500 happened. 2246 00:54:12,542 --> 00:54:15,417 [Herm] We arranged a dinner 2247 00:54:12,542 --> 00:54:15,417 with Wershe's sister, 2248 00:54:15,458 --> 00:54:18,041 Cathy Volsan-Curry, 2249 00:54:15,458 --> 00:54:18,041 and Mike Castro. 2250 00:54:18,083 --> 00:54:20,750 Which I attended, 2251 00:54:18,083 --> 00:54:20,750 but I was off to the side 2252 00:54:20,792 --> 00:54:22,125 and it was recorded. 2253 00:54:22,166 --> 00:54:24,291 So, during that conversation, 2254 00:54:24,333 --> 00:54:27,458 uh, Cathy was just enamored 2255 00:54:27,500 --> 00:54:29,500 with the prospect 2256 00:54:27,500 --> 00:54:29,500 of getting back 2257 00:54:29,542 --> 00:54:31,709 into the cocaine business 2258 00:54:29,542 --> 00:54:31,709 and so forth. 2259 00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:33,458 Uh, her eyes lit up. 2260 00:54:33,500 --> 00:54:36,625 And at that point, she offered 2261 00:54:33,500 --> 00:54:36,625 her police assistance. 2262 00:54:37,166 --> 00:54:39,959 [FBI Agent] 2263 00:54:37,166 --> 00:54:39,959 So basically we're businessmen- 2264 00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:40,917 we're in the drug business. 2265 00:54:40,959 --> 00:54:42,500 [Herm] We invited Willie Volsan 2266 00:54:42,542 --> 00:54:44,625 and James Harris 2267 00:54:42,542 --> 00:54:44,625 down to Florida. 2268 00:54:44,667 --> 00:54:46,625 Had an undercover yacht. 2269 00:54:46,667 --> 00:54:47,750 [Herm] Sat down there, 2270 00:54:46,667 --> 00:54:47,750 and on videotape, 2271 00:54:47,792 --> 00:54:49,458 and negotiated the deal. 2272 00:54:51,041 --> 00:54:51,875 [FBI Agent] We'd like to- 2273 00:54:51,917 --> 00:54:53,792 fly something in. 2274 00:54:53,834 --> 00:54:55,875 We're going to look like 2275 00:54:53,834 --> 00:54:55,875 businessmen delivering packages. 2276 00:54:53,834 --> 00:54:55,875 [James] Okay. 2277 00:54:55,917 --> 00:54:58,667 - Only us and you will know it's 2278 00:54:55,917 --> 00:54:58,667 drugs. 2279 00:54:58,709 --> 00:54:59,917 No one else is going to know 2280 00:54:58,709 --> 00:54:59,917 anything. 2281 00:54:59,959 --> 00:55:01,083 [Harris] 2282 00:54:59,959 --> 00:55:01,083 Okay. 2283 00:55:01,125 --> 00:55:02,291 [FBI Agent] 2284 00:55:01,125 --> 00:55:02,291 We're going to probably- 2285 00:55:02,333 --> 00:55:05,250 ship up in the plane around 100 2286 00:55:02,333 --> 00:55:05,250 keys. 2287 00:55:05,291 --> 00:55:06,750 - You provide protection- 2288 00:55:06,792 --> 00:55:08,667 and protection from the police. 2289 00:55:08,709 --> 00:55:10,125 Think you can handle that? 2290 00:55:10,166 --> 00:55:11,500 [Harris] 2291 00:55:10,166 --> 00:55:11,500 What you're talking about is no 2292 00:55:10,166 --> 00:55:11,500 problem. 2293 00:55:11,542 --> 00:55:13,417 [FBI Agent] 2294 00:55:11,542 --> 00:55:13,417 Right. 2295 00:55:13,458 --> 00:55:14,959 [Harris] 2296 00:55:13,458 --> 00:55:14,959 I've got three Detroit police 2297 00:55:13,458 --> 00:55:14,959 officers myself- it's cool. 2298 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,166 [FBI Agent] 2299 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,166 Okay. 2300 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,166 [FBI Agent] 2301 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,166 Alright. 2302 00:55:16,208 --> 00:55:17,208 [Harris] 2303 00:55:16,208 --> 00:55:17,208 These people have been with me. 2304 00:55:17,250 --> 00:55:18,583 [FBI Agent] 2305 00:55:17,250 --> 00:55:18,583 You can trust them. 2306 00:55:18,625 --> 00:55:20,834 We'll have out equipment, our 2307 00:55:18,625 --> 00:55:20,834 van or whatever- 2308 00:55:20,875 --> 00:55:22,834 load it up. 2309 00:55:22,875 --> 00:55:25,291 Just like the money laundering 2310 00:55:22,875 --> 00:55:25,291 operation- you escort us away 2311 00:55:22,875 --> 00:55:25,291 from the airport- 2312 00:55:25,333 --> 00:55:26,417 out on the highway and- 2313 00:55:26,458 --> 00:55:27,792 sayonara! 2314 00:55:27,834 --> 00:55:30,291 - For a successful mission and 2315 00:55:27,834 --> 00:55:30,291 a- 2316 00:55:30,333 --> 00:55:32,083 a good escape and all of that- 2317 00:55:32,125 --> 00:55:33,709 40-50 grand? 2318 00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:35,250 So do we got a deal? 2319 00:55:35,291 --> 00:55:37,250 [Volson & Harris] 2320 00:55:35,291 --> 00:55:37,250 Yep. 2321 00:55:35,291 --> 00:55:37,250 [James] 2322 00:55:35,291 --> 00:55:37,250 We go. We go. 2323 00:55:37,291 --> 00:55:39,125 [FBI Agent] 2324 00:55:37,291 --> 00:55:39,125 Partners in crime brother! 2325 00:55:37,291 --> 00:55:39,125 - Here we go. 2326 00:55:39,166 --> 00:55:40,166 [Chris] Willie and Cathy 2327 00:55:42,333 --> 00:55:44,417 along with Detroit Police 2328 00:55:42,333 --> 00:55:44,417 Sergeant Jimmy Harris 2329 00:55:44,458 --> 00:55:46,458 were charged last month 2330 00:55:44,458 --> 00:55:46,458 in an FBI corruption case 2331 00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:48,125 alleging that police officers 2332 00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:48,125 took payoffs 2333 00:55:48,166 --> 00:55:50,083 to protect drug 2334 00:55:48,166 --> 00:55:50,083 and drug money shipments 2335 00:55:50,125 --> 00:55:51,583 coming into the city 2336 00:55:50,125 --> 00:55:51,583 in Metro Airport. 2337 00:55:52,625 --> 00:55:56,959 [Wershe] 2338 00:55:52,625 --> 00:55:56,959 Any other mayor would have been 2339 00:55:52,625 --> 00:55:56,959 glad to have corruption out of 2340 00:55:52,625 --> 00:55:56,959 their police department. 2341 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,000 Unless your brother-in-law is 2342 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,000 the head of the corruption. 2343 00:56:00,041 --> 00:56:02,875 And then this guy goes on to 2344 00:56:00,041 --> 00:56:02,875 call me a stool pigeon. 2345 00:56:02,917 --> 00:56:05,083 That's like an old gangster term 2346 00:56:02,917 --> 00:56:05,083 for a rat. 2347 00:56:05,125 --> 00:56:06,583 Did that put your life 2348 00:56:05,125 --> 00:56:06,583 in danger, 2349 00:56:06,625 --> 00:56:08,625 having Coleman Young 2350 00:56:06,625 --> 00:56:08,625 call you a stool pigeon? 2351 00:56:08,667 --> 00:56:10,792 [Wershe] 2352 00:56:08,667 --> 00:56:10,792 Oh, there's no doubt about it. 2353 00:56:10,834 --> 00:56:12,458 [Herm] Eighteen 2354 00:56:12,500 --> 00:56:14,000 corrupt police officers 2355 00:56:12,500 --> 00:56:14,000 and politicians, 2356 00:56:14,041 --> 00:56:16,000 as a result 2357 00:56:14,041 --> 00:56:16,000 of Wershe's direct involvement 2358 00:56:16,041 --> 00:56:17,917 in this thing, went to prison. 2359 00:56:17,959 --> 00:56:19,792 [Herm] And without 2360 00:56:17,959 --> 00:56:19,792 White Boy Rick 2361 00:56:19,834 --> 00:56:21,458 or Richard Wershe, Jr. 2362 00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:23,542 it's I think he'd prefer 2363 00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:23,542 to be called at this point, 2364 00:56:23,583 --> 00:56:25,125 that never would have happened. 2365 00:56:25,166 --> 00:56:26,875 And they haven't even 2366 00:56:25,166 --> 00:56:26,875 scratched the surface. 2367 00:56:27,375 --> 00:56:29,667 The corruption runs so deep 2368 00:56:27,375 --> 00:56:29,667 in there it's... 2369 00:56:30,208 --> 00:56:31,792 [Wershe] It's insane, man. 2370 00:56:31,834 --> 00:56:33,959 [Chris] 2371 00:56:31,834 --> 00:56:33,959 During the FBI investigation, 2372 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,375 Hill met with Harris, 2373 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,375 a longtime friend, Volsan, 2374 00:56:36,417 --> 00:56:39,083 and the undercover agent 2375 00:56:36,417 --> 00:56:39,083 posing as the drug dealer. 2376 00:56:39,125 --> 00:56:41,000 [Herm] Willie would, uh, 2377 00:56:39,125 --> 00:56:41,000 constantly brag 2378 00:56:41,041 --> 00:56:43,583 about his relationship 2379 00:56:41,041 --> 00:56:43,583 with Gil Hill. 2380 00:56:44,166 --> 00:56:45,917 [Herm] And so, toward 2381 00:56:44,166 --> 00:56:45,917 the end of the operation, 2382 00:56:45,959 --> 00:56:48,000 we wanted to see 2383 00:56:48,041 --> 00:56:50,041 if he'd actually set up 2384 00:56:48,041 --> 00:56:50,041 an introduction to Gil Hill, 2385 00:56:50,083 --> 00:56:51,125 and he did. 2386 00:56:51,166 --> 00:56:53,166 We got a wiretap authority 2387 00:56:53,208 --> 00:56:56,709 to install wiretaps 2388 00:56:53,208 --> 00:56:56,709 inside of Willie Volsan's car. 2389 00:56:56,750 --> 00:56:59,834 [Herm] And we arranged it 2390 00:56:56,750 --> 00:56:59,834 for both undercover agents 2391 00:56:59,875 --> 00:57:02,834 to meet with Gil Hill 2392 00:56:59,875 --> 00:57:02,834 and Willie Volsan, 2393 00:57:02,875 --> 00:57:03,917 and that happened. 2394 00:57:04,583 --> 00:57:06,917 During that conversation, 2395 00:57:06,959 --> 00:57:09,333 Mike Castro let it be known 2396 00:57:06,959 --> 00:57:09,333 that he was a money launderer 2397 00:57:09,375 --> 00:57:10,834 and they were drug dealers. 2398 00:57:10,875 --> 00:57:12,083 Uh, that plainly. 2399 00:57:12,583 --> 00:57:14,333 [Herm] It was my thought 2400 00:57:14,375 --> 00:57:16,291 that, uh, if Gil Hill 2401 00:57:14,375 --> 00:57:16,291 wanted to get up 2402 00:57:16,333 --> 00:57:18,208 and run out of that meeting, 2403 00:57:16,333 --> 00:57:18,208 so be it. 2404 00:57:18,250 --> 00:57:20,166 He's an innocent guy. 2405 00:57:18,250 --> 00:57:20,166 But if he stayed, 2406 00:57:21,125 --> 00:57:22,417 that meant something else. 2407 00:57:22,458 --> 00:57:24,208 And not only did he stay, 2408 00:57:24,250 --> 00:57:26,542 but he had a conversation 2409 00:57:24,250 --> 00:57:26,542 which was taped. 2410 00:57:26,583 --> 00:57:28,291 And in that conversation, 2411 00:57:28,333 --> 00:57:31,208 Gil Hill said he wanted 2412 00:57:28,333 --> 00:57:31,208 to get money 2413 00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:32,500 from Mike Castro. 2414 00:57:34,041 --> 00:57:35,875 I got authorization 2415 00:57:34,041 --> 00:57:35,875 to pay him the money, 2416 00:57:35,917 --> 00:57:36,875 $20,000.00. 2417 00:57:38,375 --> 00:57:39,333 The thing languished, 2418 00:57:38,375 --> 00:57:39,333 and it languished, 2419 00:57:39,375 --> 00:57:40,333 and it languished 2420 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,417 before the bureaucrats 2421 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,417 could make up their mind. 2422 00:57:43,458 --> 00:57:44,458 When they finally 2423 00:57:43,458 --> 00:57:44,458 made up their mind, 2424 00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:46,083 uh, the trail had cooled. 2425 00:57:46,125 --> 00:57:48,125 [Herm] 2426 00:57:46,125 --> 00:57:48,125 I think Gil, at that point, 2427 00:57:48,166 --> 00:57:50,291 uh, being a smart guy, 2428 00:57:48,166 --> 00:57:50,291 he smelled a rat 2429 00:57:50,333 --> 00:57:51,875 and, and didn't take the bait, 2430 00:57:51,917 --> 00:57:53,250 so we lost an opportunity. 2431 00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,917 [Chris] But Hill refused 2432 00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,917 to get involved. 2433 00:57:56,959 --> 00:57:59,000 He says the entire probe 2434 00:57:56,959 --> 00:57:59,000 smacks of entrapment. 2435 00:57:59,041 --> 00:58:00,917 [Chris] It seems 2436 00:57:59,041 --> 00:58:00,917 like this upset you. 2437 00:58:00,959 --> 00:58:01,792 Tremendously. 2438 00:58:03,250 --> 00:58:05,250 Now, is he 2439 00:58:03,250 --> 00:58:05,250 this major criminal mastermind? 2440 00:58:05,291 --> 00:58:06,875 I don't think so. 2441 00:58:06,917 --> 00:58:08,917 Was he a guy who played fast 2442 00:58:06,917 --> 00:58:08,917 and loose, and... 2443 00:58:09,959 --> 00:58:10,959 Perhaps. 2444 00:58:11,709 --> 00:58:13,583 And maybe have crossed 2445 00:58:11,709 --> 00:58:13,583 the line a couple of times. 2446 00:58:13,625 --> 00:58:15,125 But try as they might, 2447 00:58:15,166 --> 00:58:17,250 and I know the Feds 2448 00:58:15,166 --> 00:58:17,250 who were chasing him, 2449 00:58:17,291 --> 00:58:18,750 trying their damndest. 2450 00:58:18,792 --> 00:58:21,250 These were solid 2451 00:58:18,792 --> 00:58:21,250 hardworking guys after him. 2452 00:58:21,291 --> 00:58:23,166 They were not dogging it. 2453 00:58:23,208 --> 00:58:25,375 If they could have caught him, 2454 00:58:23,208 --> 00:58:25,375 they would have. They didn't. 2455 00:58:25,417 --> 00:58:27,542 [Kevin] Reporters 2456 00:58:25,417 --> 00:58:27,542 were chasing Gil Hill 2457 00:58:27,583 --> 00:58:29,208 down the street, 2458 00:58:29,250 --> 00:58:32,125 asking him if he was involved 2459 00:58:29,250 --> 00:58:32,125 in taking bribes. 2460 00:58:32,166 --> 00:58:34,250 [Kevin] And that's very damaging 2461 00:58:34,291 --> 00:58:36,166 if you wanna be the next mayor 2462 00:58:34,291 --> 00:58:36,166 of the city of Detroit. 2463 00:58:36,208 --> 00:58:39,041 [Scott] Gil Hill ran for mayor 2464 00:58:36,208 --> 00:58:39,041 and lost, 2465 00:58:39,083 --> 00:58:41,291 but Gil Hill blames Rick 2466 00:58:41,333 --> 00:58:43,000 for him not becoming the mayor. 2467 00:58:43,041 --> 00:58:46,583 [Wershe] 2468 00:58:43,041 --> 00:58:46,583 I think helping the FBI with 2469 00:58:43,041 --> 00:58:46,583 Operation Backbone- 2470 00:58:46,625 --> 00:58:48,583 was the biggest mistake of my 2471 00:58:46,625 --> 00:58:48,583 life. 2472 00:58:48,625 --> 00:58:50,750 Because it created enemies that- 2473 00:58:50,792 --> 00:58:52,875 I couldn't even imagine- I was a 2474 00:58:50,792 --> 00:58:52,875 kid. 2475 00:58:52,917 --> 00:58:55,333 I didn't think of the political 2476 00:58:52,917 --> 00:58:55,333 aspects of it. 2477 00:58:55,375 --> 00:58:57,083 There's still 2478 00:58:55,375 --> 00:58:57,083 a lot of angry people 2479 00:58:57,125 --> 00:58:58,875 in the city of Detroit 2480 00:58:58,917 --> 00:59:00,125 in positions of power. 2481 00:59:01,667 --> 00:59:03,667 [ominous music] 2482 00:59:05,208 --> 00:59:08,083 In Michigan, you're supposed 2483 00:59:05,208 --> 00:59:08,083 to have an opportunity 2484 00:59:08,125 --> 00:59:10,083 to have a parole hearing 2485 00:59:08,125 --> 00:59:10,083 every five years. 2486 00:59:10,834 --> 00:59:13,959 Rick Wershe has only had 2487 00:59:10,834 --> 00:59:13,959 one parole hearing 2488 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,000 in 28 years in prison. 2489 00:59:16,041 --> 00:59:18,959 That parole hearing was in 2003, 2490 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,709 and it was a spectacle. 2491 00:59:20,750 --> 00:59:22,709 [dramatic music] 2492 00:59:29,709 --> 00:59:31,291 [Ralph] When you're up 2493 00:59:29,709 --> 00:59:31,291 for parole, 2494 00:59:31,333 --> 00:59:34,417 what the parole board does 2495 00:59:31,333 --> 00:59:34,417 is they send letters out 2496 00:59:34,458 --> 00:59:36,625 to the original trial judge. 2497 00:59:36,667 --> 00:59:38,750 [Ralph] In Rick's case, 2498 00:59:36,667 --> 00:59:38,750 {\an8}it was a judge 2499 00:59:38,792 --> 00:59:42,083 {\an8}by the name of Thomas Jackson 2500 00:59:38,792 --> 00:59:42,083 {\an8}who's recently retired. 2501 00:59:42,125 --> 00:59:45,041 {\an8}And Judge Jackson wrote back 2502 00:59:42,125 --> 00:59:45,041 {\an8}and he said, 2503 00:59:45,083 --> 00:59:47,500 {\an8}"I have no problem with this 2504 00:59:45,083 --> 00:59:47,500 {\an8}young man getting out. 2505 00:59:47,542 --> 00:59:50,083 {\an8}He's served a long time 2506 00:59:47,542 --> 00:59:50,083 {\an8}in jail." 2507 00:59:50,458 --> 00:59:53,000 {\an8}They then send the letter 2508 00:59:50,458 --> 00:59:53,000 {\an8}at the same time 2509 00:59:53,041 --> 00:59:55,625 {\an8}to the prosecuting 2510 00:59:53,041 --> 00:59:55,625 {\an8}attorney's office. 2511 00:59:55,959 --> 00:59:58,250 {\an8}[Ralph] The chief prosecutor 2512 00:59:55,959 --> 00:59:58,250 {\an8}was a fellow 2513 00:59:58,291 --> 00:59:59,875 {\an8}by the name of Michael Duggan. 2514 00:59:59,917 --> 01:00:01,542 {\an8}And Michael Duggan 2515 01:00:01,583 --> 01:00:03,250 {\an8}is now the mayor 2516 01:00:01,583 --> 01:00:03,250 {\an8}of the city of Detroit. 2517 01:00:05,417 --> 01:00:07,041 {\an8}[Ralph] The first response 2518 01:00:05,417 --> 01:00:07,041 {\an8}from that office was, 2519 01:00:07,083 --> 01:00:09,041 {\an8}"We have no problem 2520 01:00:07,083 --> 01:00:09,041 {\an8}with him getting out." 2521 01:00:09,875 --> 01:00:11,458 {\an8}Two weeks later, 2522 01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:13,542 {\an8}another letter comes 2523 01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:13,542 {\an8}from that office saying, 2524 01:00:13,583 --> 01:00:16,125 {\an8}"Disregard the first letter. 2525 01:00:13,583 --> 01:00:16,125 {\an8}We don't want him out." 2526 01:00:16,166 --> 01:00:19,291 {\an8}In the letter, which was 2527 01:00:16,166 --> 01:00:19,291 {\an8}a multipage letter, 2528 01:00:19,959 --> 01:00:23,083 {\an8}they were saying 2529 01:00:19,959 --> 01:00:23,083 {\an8}that Richard Wershe, Jr. 2530 01:00:23,125 --> 01:00:27,166 {\an8}was responsible for the downfall 2531 01:00:23,125 --> 01:00:27,166 {\an8}of the city of Detroit. 2532 01:00:27,208 --> 01:00:29,583 {\an8}Rick Wershe was involved 2533 01:00:27,208 --> 01:00:29,583 {\an8}in cases as a juvenile 2534 01:00:29,625 --> 01:00:31,500 {\an8}where the witnesses 2535 01:00:29,625 --> 01:00:31,500 {\an8}just disappeared. 2536 01:00:31,542 --> 01:00:33,375 {\an8}That this kid is so dangerous 2537 01:00:33,417 --> 01:00:35,625 {\an8}that he should never be 2538 01:00:33,417 --> 01:00:35,625 {\an8}let out of prison. 2539 01:00:35,667 --> 01:00:37,333 {\an8}And it was signed 2540 01:00:35,667 --> 01:00:37,333 {\an8}by Michael Duggan. 2541 01:00:37,917 --> 01:00:40,000 {\an8}[Ralph] If you ask him today, 2542 01:00:40,041 --> 01:00:41,875 {\an8}he'll tell you he doesn't 2543 01:00:40,041 --> 01:00:41,875 {\an8}remember that letter 2544 01:00:41,917 --> 01:00:42,959 {\an8}and he didn't remember 2545 01:00:41,917 --> 01:00:42,959 {\an8}signing it. 2546 01:00:43,667 --> 01:00:45,166 {\an8}If you look at the letter, 2547 01:00:45,208 --> 01:00:47,333 {\an8}the name right 2548 01:00:45,208 --> 01:00:47,333 {\an8}underneath Michael Duggan 2549 01:00:47,375 --> 01:00:50,041 {\an8}is that of his chief assistant, 2550 01:00:50,083 --> 01:00:51,959 {\an8}Samuel Gardner. 2551 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:56,208 {\an8}Rick's two defense attorneys 2552 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:56,208 {\an8}at the time he was convicted 2553 01:00:56,250 --> 01:01:00,208 {\an8}was Samuel Gardner and Ed Bell, 2554 01:01:00,250 --> 01:01:01,834 {\an8}who were law partners. 2555 01:01:02,417 --> 01:01:05,917 {\an8}[Wershe] 2556 01:01:02,417 --> 01:01:05,917 {\an8}He wanted to keep me in prison 2557 01:01:02,417 --> 01:01:05,917 {\an8}as long as he could. 2558 01:01:05,959 --> 01:01:08,166 {\an8}I mean here's a guy that was my 2559 01:01:05,959 --> 01:01:08,166 {\an8}lawyer- 2560 01:01:08,208 --> 01:01:10,375 {\an8}and was the number two 2561 01:01:08,208 --> 01:01:10,375 {\an8}prosecutor- 2562 01:01:10,417 --> 01:01:12,500 {\an8}told me I had nothing to worry 2563 01:01:10,417 --> 01:01:12,500 {\an8}about. 2564 01:01:12,542 --> 01:01:14,542 {\an8}And then this letter that was- 2565 01:01:14,583 --> 01:01:17,458 {\an8}so outlandish and crazy gets 2566 01:01:14,583 --> 01:01:17,458 {\an8}sent to the parole board. 2567 01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:20,875 {\an8}I think it proves that they 2568 01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:20,875 {\an8}threw the case from the 2569 01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:20,875 {\an8}beginning- 2570 01:01:20,917 --> 01:01:24,208 {\an8}and that their ultimate goal was 2571 01:01:20,917 --> 01:01:24,208 {\an8}to keep me in prison. 2572 01:01:24,250 --> 01:01:26,083 {\an8}[Kevin] So I went over 2573 01:01:24,250 --> 01:01:26,083 {\an8}to the hearing, 2574 01:01:26,125 --> 01:01:28,125 {\an8}and, in, in the first day 2575 01:01:26,125 --> 01:01:28,125 {\an8}of the hearing, 2576 01:01:28,166 --> 01:01:30,166 {\an8}I heard federal agents say 2577 01:01:30,208 --> 01:01:33,250 {\an8}that Rick Wershe 2578 01:01:30,208 --> 01:01:33,250 {\an8}was very helpful. 2579 01:01:33,291 --> 01:01:35,083 {\an8}Instrumental in bringing 2580 01:01:33,291 --> 01:01:35,083 {\an8}down dirty cops 2581 01:01:35,125 --> 01:01:36,792 {\an8}and other drug dealers 2582 01:01:35,125 --> 01:01:36,792 {\an8}in Detroit, 2583 01:01:36,834 --> 01:01:39,208 {\an8}and that they believed 2584 01:01:36,834 --> 01:01:39,208 {\an8}he should be let out of prison, 2585 01:01:39,250 --> 01:01:41,041 {\an8}that he should be paroled. 2586 01:01:41,083 --> 01:01:42,417 {\an8}You come back the next day, 2587 01:01:42,458 --> 01:01:44,041 {\an8}and it's a completely 2588 01:01:42,458 --> 01:01:44,041 {\an8}different story. 2589 01:01:44,083 --> 01:01:46,500 {\an8}The Wayne County 2590 01:01:44,083 --> 01:01:46,500 {\an8}Prosecuting Attorney 2591 01:01:46,542 --> 01:01:50,208 {\an8}brings in three or four 2592 01:01:46,542 --> 01:01:50,208 {\an8}homicide detectives. 2593 01:01:50,250 --> 01:01:52,917 {\an8}I was approached by Deputy Chief 2594 01:01:52,959 --> 01:01:54,291 {\an8}Dennis Richardson, 2595 01:01:54,333 --> 01:01:55,458 and was told that I was gonna go 2596 01:01:55,500 --> 01:01:57,291 to the parole hearing. 2597 01:01:57,834 --> 01:01:59,625 The goal of the hearing 2598 01:01:57,834 --> 01:01:59,625 was to make sure 2599 01:01:59,667 --> 01:02:01,458 that he was not released. 2600 01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:05,083 That Richard Wershe 2601 01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:05,083 was considered to be dangerous. 2602 01:02:05,125 --> 01:02:09,166 They characterized him 2603 01:02:05,125 --> 01:02:09,166 as, uh, Al Capone. 2604 01:02:09,208 --> 01:02:12,709 [Ralph] And they start detailing 2605 01:02:09,208 --> 01:02:12,709 the collapse of the city. 2606 01:02:13,125 --> 01:02:15,709 And then I talked about, 2607 01:02:13,125 --> 01:02:15,709 in generalities, 2608 01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:19,166 the damage that drugs had did 2609 01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:19,166 to the city of Detroit. 2610 01:02:19,208 --> 01:02:21,583 - The story of all 2611 01:02:19,208 --> 01:02:21,583 of the homicides, 2612 01:02:21,625 --> 01:02:24,208 and all of the drugs, 2613 01:02:21,625 --> 01:02:24,208 and all of the murders. 2614 01:02:24,250 --> 01:02:27,542 - That was the extent 2615 01:02:24,250 --> 01:02:27,542 of my contact 2616 01:02:27,583 --> 01:02:29,041 with the parole board. 2617 01:02:29,083 --> 01:02:30,542 But the other members 2618 01:02:30,583 --> 01:02:32,750 of the police department 2619 01:02:30,583 --> 01:02:32,750 and, and law enforcement 2620 01:02:32,792 --> 01:02:36,125 that was there 2621 01:02:32,792 --> 01:02:36,125 went into generalities also. 2622 01:02:36,792 --> 01:02:38,417 [Ralph] And if you read it, 2623 01:02:38,458 --> 01:02:41,000 the transcript, carefully, 2624 01:02:41,041 --> 01:02:44,125 they just keep throwing 2625 01:02:41,041 --> 01:02:44,125 Rick Wershe, Jr.'s name in. 2626 01:02:44,166 --> 01:02:46,333 They never say 2627 01:02:44,166 --> 01:02:46,333 that he does this stuff. 2628 01:02:46,375 --> 01:02:48,500 It's fair that you could 2629 01:02:46,375 --> 01:02:48,500 have implied 2630 01:02:48,542 --> 01:02:51,083 that they knew 2631 01:02:48,542 --> 01:02:51,083 about Richard Wershe. 2632 01:02:51,125 --> 01:02:53,166 Because they slanted it 2633 01:02:53,208 --> 01:02:55,375 to whereas he was 2634 01:02:53,208 --> 01:02:55,375 to be considered dangerous 2635 01:02:55,417 --> 01:02:57,375 when they didn't know anything 2636 01:02:55,417 --> 01:02:57,375 at all about him. 2637 01:02:57,417 --> 01:02:59,041 They never even worked drugs. 2638 01:02:59,083 --> 01:03:01,333 And some of them 2639 01:02:59,083 --> 01:03:01,333 {\an8}ended up in prison themselves. 2640 01:03:01,375 --> 01:03:04,000 {\an8}In order to prepare 2641 01:03:01,375 --> 01:03:04,000 {\an8}for the parole hearing, 2642 01:03:04,458 --> 01:03:07,458 {\an8}I was given information 2643 01:03:04,458 --> 01:03:07,458 {\an8}to review and look at 2644 01:03:08,291 --> 01:03:11,125 {\an8}so that I can familiarize myself 2645 01:03:08,291 --> 01:03:11,125 {\an8}with Richard Wershe. 2646 01:03:11,542 --> 01:03:13,834 {\an8}They went to 2647 01:03:11,542 --> 01:03:13,834 {\an8}the Detroit Free Press 2648 01:03:13,875 --> 01:03:15,166 {\an8}and said, 2649 01:03:15,208 --> 01:03:17,875 {\an8}"We need to have 2650 01:03:15,208 --> 01:03:17,875 {\an8}all of the news articles 2651 01:03:17,917 --> 01:03:19,959 {\an8}with regards to Rick Wershe 2652 01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,875 {\an8}because we wanna review 2653 01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,875 {\an8}a bunch of this information. 2654 01:03:23,417 --> 01:03:24,417 {\an8}Well, now we know 2655 01:03:26,291 --> 01:03:28,083 {\an8}that half of the stuff that's 2656 01:03:26,291 --> 01:03:28,083 {\an8}in print wasn't true at all. 2657 01:03:28,125 --> 01:03:29,291 {\an8}It was made up 2658 01:03:28,125 --> 01:03:29,291 {\an8}by the news media. 2659 01:03:32,125 --> 01:03:34,250 {\an8}Listening 2660 01:03:32,125 --> 01:03:34,250 {\an8}to these police officers 2661 01:03:34,291 --> 01:03:37,542 {\an8}say that Rick Wershe 2662 01:03:34,291 --> 01:03:37,542 {\an8}was violent and dangerous 2663 01:03:37,583 --> 01:03:39,458 {\an8}and should not be 2664 01:03:37,583 --> 01:03:39,458 {\an8}let out of prison 2665 01:03:39,500 --> 01:03:41,458 {\an8}was hard-hitting. 2666 01:03:41,500 --> 01:03:42,834 {\an8}And it was powerful. 2667 01:03:41,500 --> 01:03:42,834 {\an8}It was a powerful testimony. 2668 01:03:44,208 --> 01:03:45,834 {\an8}You had some people 2669 01:03:44,208 --> 01:03:45,834 {\an8}that testified 2670 01:03:45,875 --> 01:03:47,709 {\an8}in favor of Rick Wershe 2671 01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:49,917 {\an8}including Kid Rock, 2672 01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:49,917 {\an8}the musician. 2673 01:03:49,959 --> 01:03:52,250 {\an8}[Kevin] Kid Rock did not show up 2674 01:03:49,959 --> 01:03:52,250 {\an8}with a big entourage. 2675 01:03:52,291 --> 01:03:53,417 {\an8}He came by himself. 2676 01:03:53,458 --> 01:03:54,959 {\an8}He drove himself 2677 01:03:53,458 --> 01:03:54,959 {\an8}to that hearing, 2678 01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,542 {\an8}and he told the parole board 2679 01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,542 {\an8}very plainly 2680 01:03:57,583 --> 01:03:59,333 {\an8}that, "This could have been me 2681 01:03:59,375 --> 01:04:01,333 {\an8}if the circumstances 2682 01:03:59,375 --> 01:04:01,333 {\an8}were different," 2683 01:04:01,375 --> 01:04:03,000 {\an8}and that Rick Wershe 2684 01:04:01,375 --> 01:04:03,000 {\an8}deserves to get out. 2685 01:04:03,041 --> 01:04:05,208 {\an8}And he quietly went away. 2686 01:04:05,250 --> 01:04:07,125 {\an8}[Kevin] But ultimately, 2687 01:04:07,166 --> 01:04:08,834 {\an8}the story didn't play out 2688 01:04:07,166 --> 01:04:08,834 {\an8}that way. 2689 01:04:08,875 --> 01:04:11,291 {\an8}The police jumped on the fact 2690 01:04:08,875 --> 01:04:11,291 {\an8}that Kid Rock was there 2691 01:04:11,333 --> 01:04:15,333 {\an8}and they basically put out 2692 01:04:11,333 --> 01:04:15,333 {\an8}the story line that, 2693 01:04:15,375 --> 01:04:17,500 {\an8}"What? Is White Boy Rick 2694 01:04:15,375 --> 01:04:17,500 {\an8}gonna get out of prison 2695 01:04:17,542 --> 01:04:19,583 {\an8}and go be a roadie for Kid Rock? 2696 01:04:19,625 --> 01:04:21,333 {\an8}[Kevin] There's a real recipe 2697 01:04:19,625 --> 01:04:21,333 {\an8}for success. 2698 01:04:21,375 --> 01:04:23,083 {\an8}Let's take this drug dealer 2699 01:04:23,125 --> 01:04:24,583 {\an8}and put him 2700 01:04:23,125 --> 01:04:24,583 {\an8}with a big-time rapper, 2701 01:04:24,625 --> 01:04:26,625 {\an8}and let's see how well he does. 2702 01:04:26,667 --> 01:04:28,667 {\an8}Let's see 2703 01:04:26,667 --> 01:04:28,667 {\an8}if he's really reformed. 2704 01:04:28,709 --> 01:04:30,208 {\an8}This is not gonna work." 2705 01:04:30,250 --> 01:04:31,333 {\an8}And that played well. 2706 01:04:31,375 --> 01:04:32,917 {\an8}It played well with the public 2707 01:04:32,959 --> 01:04:34,792 {\an8}and I think it played 2708 01:04:32,959 --> 01:04:34,792 {\an8}with the parole board. 2709 01:04:35,375 --> 01:04:37,041 {\an8}[Herm] And, uh, the result 2710 01:04:37,083 --> 01:04:39,375 {\an8}was they turned down his parole. 2711 01:04:39,417 --> 01:04:41,083 {\an8}It was a sham. 2712 01:04:41,125 --> 01:04:44,792 {\an8}There was absolutely no reason 2713 01:04:41,125 --> 01:04:44,792 {\an8}for any of us to be there 2714 01:04:44,834 --> 01:04:47,000 {\an8}to try to prevent him 2715 01:04:44,834 --> 01:04:47,000 {\an8}from being released. 2716 01:04:47,333 --> 01:04:50,583 {\an8}I voted to have 2717 01:04:47,333 --> 01:04:50,583 {\an8}Rick Wershe released. 2718 01:04:50,625 --> 01:04:52,041 {\an8}It made sense. 2719 01:04:52,083 --> 01:04:53,792 {\an8}There was no reason 2720 01:04:52,083 --> 01:04:53,792 {\an8}in this world 2721 01:04:53,834 --> 01:04:55,458 {\an8}that he should still be there. 2722 01:04:55,500 --> 01:04:57,542 {\an8}This whole thing 2723 01:04:55,500 --> 01:04:57,542 {\an8}stinks to high heaven. 2724 01:04:57,959 --> 01:05:00,375 {\an8}[Wershe] 2725 01:04:57,959 --> 01:05:00,375 {\an8}I think it goes back to Gil 2726 01:04:57,959 --> 01:05:00,375 {\an8}Hill. 2727 01:05:00,417 --> 01:05:02,208 {\an8}All roads lead back to him. 2728 01:05:02,250 --> 01:05:04,834 {\an8}I mean- 2729 01:05:04,875 --> 01:05:09,083 {\an8}there's someone or some thing 2730 01:05:04,875 --> 01:05:09,083 {\an8}that's keeping me in prison and 2731 01:05:04,875 --> 01:05:09,083 {\an8}it's not the crime that I 2732 01:05:04,875 --> 01:05:09,083 {\an8}committed. 2733 01:05:09,125 --> 01:05:11,166 {\an8}[wind howling] 2734 01:05:13,542 --> 01:05:15,333 {\an8}[Herm] So, uh, a couple of years 2735 01:05:13,542 --> 01:05:15,333 {\an8}after the parole hearing, uh, 2736 01:05:15,375 --> 01:05:17,458 {\an8}probably around 2005, 2737 01:05:17,500 --> 01:05:20,625 {\an8}Wershe, Jr., uh, 2738 01:05:17,500 --> 01:05:20,625 {\an8}was of course in, uh, 2739 01:05:20,667 --> 01:05:22,667 {\an8}federal, uh, protective custody, 2740 01:05:22,709 --> 01:05:24,041 {\an8}uh, witness protection program 2741 01:05:24,083 --> 01:05:25,625 {\an8}doing his life sentence. 2742 01:05:25,667 --> 01:05:28,166 {\an8}I became aware 2743 01:05:25,667 --> 01:05:28,166 {\an8}that he was involved, 2744 01:05:28,208 --> 01:05:30,291 {\an8}in a very minor way, 2745 01:05:30,333 --> 01:05:32,208 {\an8}in an auto theft ring. 2746 01:05:32,583 --> 01:05:37,333 {\an8}He became aware of the ability 2747 01:05:37,375 --> 01:05:40,458 {\an8}to obtain a car for his mother. 2748 01:05:40,500 --> 01:05:43,333 {\an8}Consisted of him making 2749 01:05:40,500 --> 01:05:43,333 {\an8}some phone calls 2750 01:05:43,375 --> 01:05:45,583 {\an8}on behalf of the people 2751 01:05:43,375 --> 01:05:45,583 {\an8}that were actually involved 2752 01:05:45,625 --> 01:05:47,333 {\an8}in the auto theft ring. 2753 01:05:47,375 --> 01:05:50,000 {\an8}When the Wayne County 2754 01:05:47,375 --> 01:05:50,000 {\an8}Prosecutor's Office found out, 2755 01:05:50,542 --> 01:05:52,375 {\an8}they made phone calls 2756 01:05:53,333 --> 01:05:56,041 {\an8}to the United States 2757 01:05:53,333 --> 01:05:56,041 {\an8}Attorney's Office 2758 01:05:56,083 --> 01:05:57,750 {\an8}down in Miami saying, 2759 01:05:57,792 --> 01:06:00,375 {\an8}"You make sure he's indicted 2760 01:06:00,417 --> 01:06:04,458 {\an8}and the full extent of the law 2761 01:06:00,417 --> 01:06:04,458 {\an8}comes down on him." 2762 01:06:04,500 --> 01:06:09,458 {\an8}[Wershe] 2763 01:06:04,500 --> 01:06:09,458 {\an8}I was told, "You take a plea 2764 01:06:04,500 --> 01:06:09,458 {\an8}bargain, or I am going to arrest 2765 01:06:04,500 --> 01:06:09,458 {\an8}your mom and your sister." 2766 01:06:09,500 --> 01:06:10,625 {\an8}So what do I do? 2767 01:06:10,667 --> 01:06:11,959 {\an8}I took a plea bargain. 2768 01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:13,750 {\an8}So he pled guilty 2769 01:06:13,792 --> 01:06:15,625 {\an8}and got a five-year sentence. 2770 01:06:15,667 --> 01:06:19,834 {\an8}[Scott] Ninety-nine-point-nine 2771 01:06:15,667 --> 01:06:19,834 {\an8}percent of all other cases, 2772 01:06:19,875 --> 01:06:22,542 {\an8}the five years 2773 01:06:19,875 --> 01:06:22,542 {\an8}will run concurrently 2774 01:06:22,583 --> 01:06:26,041 {\an8}with the life sentence 2775 01:06:22,583 --> 01:06:26,041 {\an8}that he's under in Michigan. 2776 01:06:26,083 --> 01:06:28,458 {\an8}But because Rick's Rick, 2777 01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:30,917 {\an8}the sentence was ruled 2778 01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:30,917 {\an8}to run consecutively. 2779 01:06:34,750 --> 01:06:38,041 {\an8}If and when he's released here, 2780 01:06:34,750 --> 01:06:38,041 {\an8}which I pray is soon, 2781 01:06:38,083 --> 01:06:39,875 {\an8}he has to go to Florida 2782 01:06:38,083 --> 01:06:39,875 {\an8}and finish out time. 2783 01:06:42,083 --> 01:06:43,542 {\an8}[Scott] And if you look 2784 01:06:42,083 --> 01:06:43,542 {\an8}at the guy's prison record, 2785 01:06:43,583 --> 01:06:45,291 {\an8}with the exception 2786 01:06:43,583 --> 01:06:45,291 {\an8}of that one incident, 2787 01:06:45,917 --> 01:06:49,125 {\an8}he is someone 2788 01:06:45,917 --> 01:06:49,125 {\an8}that is a model prisoner. 2789 01:06:49,667 --> 01:06:52,375 {\an8}"He has remained misconduct-free 2790 01:06:49,667 --> 01:06:52,375 {\an8}during his entire sentence 2791 01:06:52,417 --> 01:06:56,709 {\an8}with the MDOC which started 2792 01:06:52,417 --> 01:06:56,709 {\an8}in February 5th, 1988. 2793 01:06:56,750 --> 01:06:58,667 {\an8}Mr. Wershe has maintained 2794 01:06:56,750 --> 01:06:58,667 {\an8}steady employment 2795 01:06:58,709 --> 01:07:00,875 {\an8}and has never been 2796 01:06:58,709 --> 01:07:00,875 {\an8}a management problem for staff. 2797 01:07:01,542 --> 01:07:03,834 {\an8}[Dana] He has 2798 01:07:01,542 --> 01:07:03,834 {\an8}good communication skills 2799 01:07:03,875 --> 01:07:05,750 {\an8}and interacts well with staff 2800 01:07:03,875 --> 01:07:05,750 {\an8}and other inmates alike." 2801 01:07:06,250 --> 01:07:07,625 {\an8}In my opinion, 2802 01:07:07,667 --> 01:07:10,458 {\an8}that would show that Mr. Wershe 2803 01:07:07,667 --> 01:07:10,458 {\an8}was a model prisoner. 2804 01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:12,417 {\an8}[Dana] And there's no reason 2805 01:07:12,458 --> 01:07:14,917 {\an8}that he should have been 2806 01:07:12,458 --> 01:07:14,917 {\an8}denied parole for so long. 2807 01:07:16,291 --> 01:07:18,291 {\an8}[somber music] 2808 01:07:22,875 --> 01:07:25,000 {\an8}[Dana] "Now, based on my reading 2809 01:07:22,875 --> 01:07:25,000 {\an8}of the briefs, 2810 01:07:25,041 --> 01:07:26,709 {\an8}all parties agreed 2811 01:07:26,750 --> 01:07:28,166 {\an8}that defendant's 2812 01:07:26,750 --> 01:07:28,166 {\an8}original sentence 2813 01:07:28,208 --> 01:07:30,333 {\an8}of life without the possibility 2814 01:07:28,208 --> 01:07:30,333 {\an8}of parole 2815 01:07:30,375 --> 01:07:32,709 {\an8}for a juvenile who committed 2816 01:07:30,375 --> 01:07:32,709 {\an8}a non-violent offense 2817 01:07:32,750 --> 01:07:35,125 {\an8}involving drugs 2818 01:07:32,750 --> 01:07:35,125 {\an8}was unconstitutional. 2819 01:07:36,291 --> 01:07:38,000 {\an8}The case law 2820 01:07:36,291 --> 01:07:38,000 {\an8}over the last decade 2821 01:07:38,041 --> 01:07:39,542 {\an8}has demanded 2822 01:07:38,041 --> 01:07:39,542 {\an8}that we treat juveniles 2823 01:07:39,583 --> 01:07:41,834 {\an8}constitutionally different 2824 01:07:39,583 --> 01:07:41,834 {\an8}than adults. 2825 01:07:42,208 --> 01:07:44,917 {\an8}That difference requires us 2826 01:07:42,208 --> 01:07:44,917 {\an8}to consider the defendant's age 2827 01:07:44,959 --> 01:07:46,417 {\an8}at the time the crime 2828 01:07:44,959 --> 01:07:46,417 {\an8}was committed. 2829 01:07:47,125 --> 01:07:48,166 {\an8}[Dana] Where 2830 01:07:47,125 --> 01:07:48,166 {\an8}a defendant's sentence 2831 01:07:48,208 --> 01:07:49,792 {\an8}violates the constitution, 2832 01:07:49,834 --> 01:07:51,458 {\an8}recent case law holds 2833 01:07:51,500 --> 01:07:54,041 {\an8}that remedy for that violation 2834 01:07:51,500 --> 01:07:54,041 {\an8}is resentencing." 2835 01:07:54,542 --> 01:07:56,417 {\an8}[Kevin] Suddenly in 2015, 2836 01:07:56,458 --> 01:07:58,166 {\an8}Judge Dana Hathaway decided 2837 01:07:58,208 --> 01:08:01,041 {\an8}that she wanted 2838 01:07:58,208 --> 01:08:01,041 {\an8}to resentence Rick Wershe 2839 01:08:01,083 --> 01:08:02,959 {\an8}and it was a major decision. 2840 01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,500 {\an8}[Ralph] Uh, he's stunned. 2841 01:08:04,542 --> 01:08:06,917 {\an8}I mean, you can see 2842 01:08:04,542 --> 01:08:06,917 {\an8}in the courtroom, uh, 2843 01:08:06,959 --> 01:08:09,041 {\an8}he, he doesn't know where to go. 2844 01:08:09,083 --> 01:08:11,500 {\an8}I mean, he is just 2845 01:08:09,083 --> 01:08:11,500 {\an8}almost in shock. 2846 01:08:11,542 --> 01:08:12,917 {\an8}We need him out. 2847 01:08:12,959 --> 01:08:14,959 {\an8}He's been in long enough. 2848 01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:16,500 {\an8}I'm a bit overwhelmed 2849 01:08:16,542 --> 01:08:18,625 {\an8}because I've only seen 2850 01:08:16,542 --> 01:08:18,625 {\an8}my father in person 2851 01:08:18,667 --> 01:08:20,333 {\an8}maybe two or three times 2852 01:08:18,667 --> 01:08:20,333 {\an8}in my life, 2853 01:08:20,375 --> 01:08:23,458 {\an8}so it was a difficult 2854 01:08:20,375 --> 01:08:23,458 {\an8}relationship to know someone 2855 01:08:23,500 --> 01:08:25,125 {\an8}your whole life and not really. 2856 01:08:25,166 --> 01:08:26,750 {\an8}[Dawn] They wouldn't even 2857 01:08:25,166 --> 01:08:26,750 {\an8}allow him out 2858 01:08:26,792 --> 01:08:28,458 {\an8}for my dad's funeral. 2859 01:08:29,208 --> 01:08:31,500 {\an8}When my dad was dying 2860 01:08:29,208 --> 01:08:31,500 {\an8}of cancer, we, um... 2861 01:08:31,542 --> 01:08:32,959 {\an8}We asked and they said, "No. 2862 01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,750 {\an8}It's too high 2863 01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,750 {\an8}of a security risk." 2864 01:08:35,208 --> 01:08:38,750 {\an8}[Wershe] 2865 01:08:35,208 --> 01:08:38,750 {\an8}I wold like to spread my dad's 2866 01:08:35,208 --> 01:08:38,750 {\an8}ashes somewhere and- 2867 01:08:38,792 --> 01:08:41,208 {\an8}visit my grandparents' grave. 2868 01:08:41,250 --> 01:08:43,250 {\an8}I just wanna see him, 2869 01:08:41,250 --> 01:08:43,250 {\an8}like I said, 2870 01:08:43,291 --> 01:08:46,208 {\an8}and spend time with him 2871 01:08:43,291 --> 01:08:46,208 {\an8}before I die. 2872 01:08:46,625 --> 01:08:48,917 {\an8}[Wershe] 2873 01:08:46,625 --> 01:08:48,917 {\an8}My mother's not in good health, 2874 01:08:46,625 --> 01:08:48,917 {\an8}I mean- 2875 01:08:48,959 --> 01:08:51,667 {\an8}after twenty-nine years you 2876 01:08:48,959 --> 01:08:51,667 {\an8}don't hit the ground running- 2877 01:08:51,709 --> 01:08:54,041 {\an8}but I think I have a good 2878 01:08:51,709 --> 01:08:54,041 {\an8}support team. 2879 01:08:54,083 --> 01:08:55,709 {\an8}He's supposed to get out. 2880 01:08:55,750 --> 01:08:58,083 {\an8}And if he doesn't get out, 2881 01:08:55,750 --> 01:08:58,083 {\an8}I want you, news guys, 2882 01:08:58,125 --> 01:08:59,959 {\an8}to be investigating 2883 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,041 {\an8}as to who in the hell 2884 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,041 {\an8}wants him in 2885 01:09:02,083 --> 01:09:04,375 {\an8}and who has that kind of power 2886 01:09:02,083 --> 01:09:04,375 {\an8}to keep him in. 2887 01:09:04,417 --> 01:09:06,166 {\an8}Wershe will be back here 2888 01:09:04,417 --> 01:09:06,166 {\an8}in two weeks 2889 01:09:06,208 --> 01:09:07,583 {\an8}to hear the judge's sentence. 2890 01:09:07,625 --> 01:09:09,500 {\an8}If it is the time served, 2891 01:09:09,542 --> 01:09:12,041 it's possible he could walk out 2892 01:09:09,542 --> 01:09:12,041 of here a free man. 2893 01:09:12,083 --> 01:09:15,333 [Kevin] It would definitely mean 2894 01:09:12,083 --> 01:09:15,333 that his time as a prisoner 2895 01:09:15,375 --> 01:09:16,583 is near its end. 2896 01:09:18,500 --> 01:09:20,208 [Kevin] Kym Worthy 2897 01:09:18,500 --> 01:09:20,208 objected to that. 2898 01:09:20,250 --> 01:09:21,875 She's the prosecutor 2899 01:09:20,250 --> 01:09:21,875 in Wayne County. 2900 01:09:21,917 --> 01:09:23,917 In 2015, she said, 2901 01:09:23,959 --> 01:09:25,250 "We believe the law says 2902 01:09:25,291 --> 01:09:27,208 that Rick Wershe 2903 01:09:25,291 --> 01:09:27,208 must stay in prison 2904 01:09:27,250 --> 01:09:29,041 until the parole board 2905 01:09:27,250 --> 01:09:29,041 releases him." 2906 01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,625 [Kevin] So as it stands 2907 01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,625 right now, 2908 01:09:37,667 --> 01:09:39,875 Rick Wershe 2909 01:09:37,667 --> 01:09:39,875 will not be resentenced. 2910 01:09:41,041 --> 01:09:45,834 [Dana] When Prosecutor Worthy 2911 01:09:41,041 --> 01:09:45,834 objected to my resentencing, 2912 01:09:45,875 --> 01:09:47,000 I was disappointed. 2913 01:09:47,500 --> 01:09:51,083 I didn't think that there was 2914 01:09:47,500 --> 01:09:51,083 a legitimate basis for it. 2915 01:09:51,125 --> 01:09:52,875 And then 2916 01:09:51,125 --> 01:09:52,875 when the Court of Appeals 2917 01:09:52,917 --> 01:09:54,583 sided with the prosecutor, 2918 01:09:54,625 --> 01:09:56,500 [stutters] 2919 01:09:54,625 --> 01:09:56,500 I was disappointed again. 2920 01:09:56,542 --> 01:10:00,333 I thought that, uh, my opinion 2921 01:09:56,542 --> 01:10:00,333 had strong legal footing 2922 01:10:00,375 --> 01:10:03,750 given the fact 2923 01:10:00,375 --> 01:10:03,750 that his sentence was ultimately 2924 01:10:03,792 --> 01:10:05,875 an Eighth Amendment violation 2925 01:10:05,917 --> 01:10:07,417 and I thought the remedy 2926 01:10:05,917 --> 01:10:07,417 should have been resentencing. 2927 01:10:08,208 --> 01:10:10,458 [Wershe] 2928 01:10:08,208 --> 01:10:10,458 Oh, I'm disappointed. I mean- 2929 01:10:10,500 --> 01:10:12,625 let down a little bit, but- 2930 01:10:12,667 --> 01:10:14,750 I expected it to be honest with 2931 01:10:12,667 --> 01:10:14,750 you. 2932 01:10:14,792 --> 01:10:17,750 After all this time in here you 2933 01:10:14,792 --> 01:10:17,750 don't believe you're doing to 2934 01:10:14,792 --> 01:10:17,750 get out of here- 2935 01:10:17,792 --> 01:10:20,125 until the day you walk out of 2936 01:10:17,792 --> 01:10:20,125 here. 2937 01:10:20,166 --> 01:10:22,667 {\an8}[Kevin] Kym Worthy is one 2938 01:10:20,166 --> 01:10:22,667 {\an8}of the main people 2939 01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:26,208 {\an8}standing in his way 2940 01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:26,208 {\an8}of becoming a free man. 2941 01:10:26,250 --> 01:10:27,083 {\an8}And she's 2942 01:10:26,250 --> 01:10:27,083 {\an8}made no public statement 2943 01:10:27,125 --> 01:10:28,166 {\an8}over the years. 2944 01:10:28,208 --> 01:10:30,166 {\an8}She's never given any indication 2945 01:10:30,208 --> 01:10:32,000 {\an8}why she's so dead set 2946 01:10:32,041 --> 01:10:33,625 {\an8}on Rick Wershe staying 2947 01:10:32,041 --> 01:10:33,625 {\an8}in prison. 2948 01:10:34,417 --> 01:10:35,959 {\an8}[Kevin] 2949 01:10:34,417 --> 01:10:35,959 {\an8}I've done dozens of stories 2950 01:10:37,917 --> 01:10:39,333 {\an8}on the injustice of Rick Wershe 2951 01:10:37,917 --> 01:10:39,333 {\an8}still being in prison. 2952 01:10:40,125 --> 01:10:42,125 {\an8}And I've truly felt 2953 01:10:42,166 --> 01:10:44,750 {\an8}that the stories I've done 2954 01:10:42,166 --> 01:10:44,750 {\an8}should have been enough 2955 01:10:44,792 --> 01:10:46,333 {\an8}for people 2956 01:10:44,792 --> 01:10:46,333 {\an8}to do the right thing, 2957 01:10:46,375 --> 01:10:48,250 {\an8}but that hasn't happened. 2958 01:10:48,291 --> 01:10:50,875 {\an8}[Dana] His sentence 2959 01:10:48,291 --> 01:10:50,875 {\an8}shocks the conscience. 2960 01:10:50,917 --> 01:10:53,041 {\an8}How long he was in 2961 01:10:50,917 --> 01:10:53,041 {\an8}shocks the conscience. 2962 01:10:53,083 --> 01:10:54,917 {\an8}I'm not saying he was innocent, 2963 01:10:54,959 --> 01:10:58,250 {\an8}but part our job is letting 2964 01:10:54,959 --> 01:10:58,250 the punishment fit the crime. 2965 01:10:58,291 --> 01:11:00,667 And here, it absolutely did not. 2966 01:11:00,709 --> 01:11:02,208 For a juvenile defendant 2967 01:11:02,250 --> 01:11:05,041 to never have his age 2968 01:11:02,250 --> 01:11:05,041 taken into consideration 2969 01:11:05,083 --> 01:11:07,333 was highly inappropriate 2970 01:11:07,375 --> 01:11:09,333 and inconsistent 2971 01:11:07,375 --> 01:11:09,333 with the case law 2972 01:11:09,375 --> 01:11:11,083 that's been evolving 2973 01:11:09,375 --> 01:11:11,083 for the past decade. 2974 01:11:11,417 --> 01:11:13,750 He's a juvenile 2975 01:11:11,417 --> 01:11:13,750 non-violent offender 2976 01:11:14,583 --> 01:11:15,959 who served 29 years. 2977 01:11:16,542 --> 01:11:17,917 He should be out. 2978 01:11:17,959 --> 01:11:19,667 He is a political prisoner. 2979 01:11:19,709 --> 01:11:22,417 [Scott] He is being held 2980 01:11:19,709 --> 01:11:22,417 against his will 2981 01:11:22,458 --> 01:11:24,875 by the politicians of Michigan 2982 01:11:24,917 --> 01:11:26,125 for crimes he never did! 2983 01:11:26,500 --> 01:11:27,959 There is a relationship 2984 01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,917 between the current 2985 01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,917 Wayne County prosecutor 2986 01:11:30,959 --> 01:11:32,250 and Gil Hill. 2987 01:11:32,291 --> 01:11:33,625 [Joe] From what I saw, 2988 01:11:33,667 --> 01:11:35,625 Kym Worthy and Gil Hill 2989 01:11:35,667 --> 01:11:38,834 had a professional 2990 01:11:35,667 --> 01:11:38,834 and political relationship. 2991 01:11:39,166 --> 01:11:41,125 [Herm] Uh, she 2992 01:11:39,166 --> 01:11:41,125 and Gil Hill worked together 2993 01:11:41,166 --> 01:11:43,375 especially when he was, 2994 01:11:41,166 --> 01:11:43,375 um, city council, 2995 01:11:43,792 --> 01:11:45,291 so they have a long history. 2996 01:11:45,333 --> 01:11:47,625 So I think 2997 01:11:45,333 --> 01:11:47,625 that's where the issue is. 2998 01:11:48,166 --> 01:11:50,417 Well, the city lost 2999 01:11:48,166 --> 01:11:50,417 a good one today. 3000 01:11:50,458 --> 01:11:53,166 Gilbert Hill, 3001 01:11:50,458 --> 01:11:53,166 or Gil as we knew him, 3002 01:11:53,208 --> 01:11:55,834 died today peacefully 3003 01:11:53,208 --> 01:11:55,834 with family by his side. 3004 01:11:56,250 --> 01:11:59,250 [reporter #8] He was a legendary 3005 01:11:56,250 --> 01:11:59,250 homicide detective in Detroit 3006 01:11:59,291 --> 01:12:01,166 and, of course, landed the role 3007 01:12:01,208 --> 01:12:02,959 of Eddie Murphy's 3008 01:12:01,208 --> 01:12:02,959 foul-mouthed boss 3009 01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:04,000 in Beverly Hills Cop. 3010 01:12:06,375 --> 01:12:08,375 [somber music] 3011 01:12:17,291 --> 01:12:18,959 [Kevin] Two huge stories today. 3012 01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,041 First is statement 3013 01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,041 from Kym Worthy 3014 01:12:21,083 --> 01:12:23,250 {\an8}that she gave exclusively 3015 01:12:21,083 --> 01:12:23,250 {\an8}to the defenders. 3016 01:12:23,291 --> 01:12:26,542 {\an8}Kym Worthy saying she is 3017 01:12:23,291 --> 01:12:26,542 {\an8}going to reconsider her stance. 3018 01:12:26,583 --> 01:12:29,458 {\an8}She may no longer object 3019 01:12:26,583 --> 01:12:29,458 {\an8}to Wershe being locked up. 3020 01:12:29,500 --> 01:12:30,875 {\an8}[Kevin] This decision 3021 01:12:29,500 --> 01:12:30,875 {\an8}by Kym Worthy 3022 01:12:30,917 --> 01:12:32,792 {\an8}coming the very same day 3023 01:12:32,834 --> 01:12:36,500 {\an8}that a hitman says he was hired 3024 01:12:32,834 --> 01:12:36,500 {\an8}by a police officer 3025 01:12:36,542 --> 01:12:38,500 {\an8}to kill Rick Wershe 3026 01:12:36,542 --> 01:12:38,500 {\an8}back in the '80s. 3027 01:12:39,208 --> 01:12:42,375 {\an8}Maybe they need to step down 3028 01:12:39,208 --> 01:12:42,375 {\an8}and let the boy out 3029 01:12:42,417 --> 01:12:44,750 {\an8}before I start 3030 01:12:42,417 --> 01:12:44,750 {\an8}really naming names 3031 01:12:45,291 --> 01:12:46,417 {\an8}and they know who they are. 3032 01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:49,166 {\an8}[Kevin] In that documentary, 3033 01:12:49,208 --> 01:12:50,458 {\an8}I'm told that Nate Craft 3034 01:12:49,208 --> 01:12:50,458 {\an8}is going to say 3035 01:12:50,500 --> 01:12:52,417 {\an8}that former Mayor Coleman Young 3036 01:12:52,458 --> 01:12:54,750 {\an8}and former City Council 3037 01:12:52,458 --> 01:12:54,750 {\an8}President Gil Hill 3038 01:12:54,792 --> 01:12:56,709 {\an8}went to great lengths 3039 01:12:56,750 --> 01:12:58,875 {\an8}to make sure 3040 01:12:56,750 --> 01:12:58,875 {\an8}that White Boy Rick Wershe 3041 01:12:58,917 --> 01:13:00,583 {\an8}would stay in prison 3042 01:12:58,917 --> 01:13:00,583 {\an8}for the rest of his life. 3043 01:13:01,583 --> 01:13:03,083 {\an8}So, finally, 3044 01:13:01,583 --> 01:13:03,083 {\an8}after all of this time, 3045 01:13:03,125 --> 01:13:04,792 {\an8}Kym Worthy says she's not 3046 01:13:03,125 --> 01:13:04,792 {\an8}going to stand 3047 01:13:04,834 --> 01:13:06,500 {\an8}in Rick Wershe's way, 3048 01:13:06,542 --> 01:13:07,917 {\an8}but she's not gonna do 3049 01:13:06,542 --> 01:13:07,917 {\an8}anything to help him either. 3050 01:13:10,250 --> 01:13:11,750 {\an8}[Kevin] She's going to leave 3051 01:13:10,250 --> 01:13:11,750 {\an8}that up to the parole board. 3052 01:13:11,792 --> 01:13:12,917 {\an8}[Gregg] 3053 01:13:11,792 --> 01:13:12,917 {\an8}Well, that's the problem, 3054 01:13:12,959 --> 01:13:14,583 {\an8}is the parole board. 3055 01:13:14,625 --> 01:13:17,083 {\an8}They believe whoever 3056 01:13:14,625 --> 01:13:17,083 {\an8}is sitting there talking to them 3057 01:13:17,709 --> 01:13:19,875 {\an8}and they never ask 3058 01:13:17,709 --> 01:13:19,875 {\an8}any questions. 3059 01:13:19,917 --> 01:13:22,834 {\an8}[Gregg] They just listen 3060 01:13:19,917 --> 01:13:22,834 {\an8}to it all and then they vote. 3061 01:13:22,875 --> 01:13:24,291 {\an8}And half the time, 3062 01:13:24,333 --> 01:13:26,250 {\an8}they've listened 3063 01:13:24,333 --> 01:13:26,250 {\an8}to the wrong information. 3064 01:13:26,792 --> 01:13:29,250 {\an8}The Supreme Court 3065 01:13:26,792 --> 01:13:29,250 {\an8}in, in the State of Michigan 3066 01:13:29,291 --> 01:13:30,709 {\an8}needs to take a look at this, 3067 01:13:30,750 --> 01:13:32,583 {\an8}or the governor 3068 01:13:30,750 --> 01:13:32,583 {\an8}needs to pardon him. 3069 01:13:32,625 --> 01:13:35,208 {\an8}Every time I've called 3070 01:13:32,625 --> 01:13:35,208 {\an8}the Governor's Office, 3071 01:13:35,667 --> 01:13:38,959 {\an8}I've been told by his Office 3072 01:13:35,667 --> 01:13:38,959 {\an8}of General Counsel 3073 01:13:39,625 --> 01:13:41,917 {\an8}that the governor 3074 01:13:39,625 --> 01:13:41,917 {\an8}doesn't get involved. 3075 01:13:41,959 --> 01:13:45,417 {\an8}In any of the parole instances, 3076 01:13:45,458 --> 01:13:47,959 {\an8}he turns it over 3077 01:13:45,458 --> 01:13:47,959 {\an8}to the parole board. 3078 01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:49,625 {\an8}Think about that concept. 3079 01:13:49,667 --> 01:13:52,000 {\an8}These are unelected people 3080 01:13:49,667 --> 01:13:52,000 {\an8}that are on the board. 3081 01:13:52,041 --> 01:13:53,417 {\an8}They're just regular people 3082 01:13:53,458 --> 01:13:55,291 {\an8}and they're appointed 3083 01:13:53,458 --> 01:13:55,291 {\an8}by the governor. 3084 01:13:55,333 --> 01:13:57,291 {\an8}And you as the governor 3085 01:13:55,333 --> 01:13:57,291 {\an8}of the state of Michigan 3086 01:13:57,333 --> 01:13:59,959 {\an8}that get elected by the citizens 3087 01:13:57,333 --> 01:13:59,959 {\an8}you're going to say, 3088 01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,667 {\an8}"Oh, what do you want me to do?" 3089 01:14:01,709 --> 01:14:03,417 {\an8}The parole board says 3090 01:14:01,709 --> 01:14:03,417 {\an8}they shouldn't do anything." 3091 01:14:03,458 --> 01:14:04,375 {\an8}That's crazy. 3092 01:14:06,166 --> 01:14:07,333 {\an8}[Kevin] I think people 3093 01:14:06,166 --> 01:14:07,333 {\an8}in Michigan 3094 01:14:07,375 --> 01:14:09,041 {\an8}are finally realizing 3095 01:14:09,083 --> 01:14:10,834 {\an8}that this story 3096 01:14:09,083 --> 01:14:10,834 {\an8}is not going away 3097 01:14:10,875 --> 01:14:12,625 {\an8}and it's not staying local. 3098 01:14:12,667 --> 01:14:14,375 {\an8}It's going to get bigger. 3099 01:14:12,667 --> 01:14:14,375 {\an8}It's going to get national. 3100 01:14:14,417 --> 01:14:15,834 {\an8}It's gonna get international. 3101 01:14:15,875 --> 01:14:18,083 {\an8}And someone's gonna 3102 01:14:15,875 --> 01:14:18,083 {\an8}have to answer 3103 01:14:18,125 --> 01:14:20,291 {\an8}as to why Rick Wershe 3104 01:14:18,125 --> 01:14:20,291 {\an8}is still in prison 3105 01:14:20,333 --> 01:14:22,041 {\an8}because nobody 3106 01:14:20,333 --> 01:14:22,041 {\an8}has answered for that yet. 3107 01:14:22,750 --> 01:14:24,625 {\an8}This is the Claus von Bülow case 3108 01:14:24,667 --> 01:14:26,959 {\an8}uh, that, uh, 3109 01:14:24,667 --> 01:14:26,959 {\an8}I was the appellant lawyer. 3110 01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:28,458 {\an8}And you don't get too many cases 3111 01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:30,375 {\an8}where the reversal 3112 01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:30,375 {\an8}of the conviction 3113 01:14:30,417 --> 01:14:32,291 {\an8}makes the front page 3114 01:14:30,417 --> 01:14:32,291 {\an8}of the New York Times. 3115 01:14:32,333 --> 01:14:33,375 {\an8}[Kevin] Attorney Alan Dershowitz 3116 01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:36,625 {\an8}has an office full of memories 3117 01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:36,625 {\an8}from the big cases. 3118 01:14:36,667 --> 01:14:38,166 {\an8}OJ Simpson, Mike Tyson, 3119 01:14:38,208 --> 01:14:40,083 {\an8}Patty Hearst, Jim Baker. 3120 01:14:40,125 --> 01:14:41,750 {\an8}He can't see any reason 3121 01:14:41,792 --> 01:14:43,875 {\an8}Rick Wershe should still 3122 01:14:41,792 --> 01:14:43,875 {\an8}be behind bars. 3123 01:14:43,917 --> 01:14:46,125 {\an8}[Alan] This is a terrible, 3124 01:14:43,917 --> 01:14:46,125 {\an8}terrible injustice. 3125 01:14:46,166 --> 01:14:49,667 {\an8}This sentence has 3126 01:14:46,166 --> 01:14:49,667 {\an8}so many constitutional problems 3127 01:14:49,709 --> 01:14:51,166 {\an8}that one would hope 3128 01:14:49,709 --> 01:14:51,166 {\an8}a court would look at it 3129 01:14:51,208 --> 01:14:53,041 {\an8}very skeptically. 3130 01:14:53,083 --> 01:14:54,959 {\an8}[Alan] One might 3131 01:14:53,083 --> 01:14:54,959 {\an8}at least have the hope 3132 01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:56,834 {\an8}that they will see 3133 01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:56,834 {\an8}the thing in context, 3134 01:14:56,875 --> 01:14:58,583 {\an8}and say to themselves, 3135 01:14:56,875 --> 01:14:58,583 {\an8}"Oh, my God. 3136 01:14:58,625 --> 01:15:01,000 {\an8}Young man, drug offense. 3137 01:15:01,041 --> 01:15:02,834 {\an8}Look at how much time he spent. 3138 01:15:02,875 --> 01:15:04,208 {\an8}That doesn't make sense." 3139 01:15:04,250 --> 01:15:06,291 {\an8}Alan Dershowitz 3140 01:15:04,250 --> 01:15:06,291 {\an8}has agreed to assist 3141 01:15:06,333 --> 01:15:08,542 {\an8}Rick Wershe's attorney, 3142 01:15:06,333 --> 01:15:08,542 {\an8}Ralph Musilli, saying, 3143 01:15:08,583 --> 01:15:11,458 {\an8}"An injustice like this 3144 01:15:08,583 --> 01:15:11,458 {\an8}needs as much public attention 3145 01:15:11,500 --> 01:15:12,500 {\an8}as possible." 3146 01:15:14,166 --> 01:15:17,125 {\an8}Who's gonna be the hero here 3147 01:15:14,166 --> 01:15:17,125 {\an8}and do the right thing? 3148 01:15:17,875 --> 01:15:19,792 {\an8}[Dana] I don't really think 3149 01:15:17,875 --> 01:15:19,792 {\an8}anyone can look 3150 01:15:19,834 --> 01:15:21,291 {\an8}at all the facts 3151 01:15:19,834 --> 01:15:21,291 {\an8}surrounding this case 3152 01:15:21,333 --> 01:15:22,542 {\an8}and not feel bad for him. 3153 01:15:24,250 --> 01:15:26,083 {\an8}And whether it's appropriate 3154 01:15:24,250 --> 01:15:26,083 {\an8}or not for me to say, 3155 01:15:26,125 --> 01:15:29,125 {\an8}I, I am still a human being 3156 01:15:26,125 --> 01:15:29,125 {\an8}despite being the judge 3157 01:15:29,166 --> 01:15:31,417 {\an8}that just happened 3158 01:15:29,166 --> 01:15:31,417 {\an8}to inherit this case. 3159 01:15:31,458 --> 01:15:33,667 {\an8}[Dana] I can't check that 3160 01:15:31,458 --> 01:15:33,667 {\an8}at the door, 3161 01:15:33,709 --> 01:15:36,542 {\an8}and I think part of, uh, my job 3162 01:15:33,709 --> 01:15:36,542 {\an8}is to have compassion 3163 01:15:36,583 --> 01:15:39,125 {\an8}for people and the people 3164 01:15:36,583 --> 01:15:39,125 {\an8}that come before me, 3165 01:15:39,166 --> 01:15:40,875 {\an8}and to see all sides 3166 01:15:39,166 --> 01:15:40,875 {\an8}of the story. 3167 01:15:41,500 --> 01:15:43,000 {\an8}And I don't know how anyone 3168 01:15:41,500 --> 01:15:43,000 {\an8}can look at this 3169 01:15:43,041 --> 01:15:44,000 {\an8}and not feel bad for him. 3170 01:15:44,959 --> 01:15:46,500 {\an8}I say Rick shoulda did 3171 01:15:46,542 --> 01:15:48,000 {\an8}seven, eight years 3172 01:15:46,542 --> 01:15:48,000 {\an8}and been home. 3173 01:15:48,417 --> 01:15:49,834 {\an8}Should have been home. 3174 01:15:49,875 --> 01:15:51,500 {\an8}20 years ago. 3175 01:15:51,542 --> 01:15:52,792 {\an8}Even my daughters, 3176 01:15:51,542 --> 01:15:52,792 {\an8}everybody say, 3177 01:15:52,834 --> 01:15:54,125 {\an8}"Yeah, they should 3178 01:15:52,834 --> 01:15:54,125 {\an8}let the boy go. 3179 01:15:54,166 --> 01:15:55,625 {\an8}He did enough time." 3180 01:15:55,667 --> 01:15:57,792 {\an8}Murders ain't-- 3181 01:15:55,667 --> 01:15:57,792 {\an8}He did more time than murderers. 3182 01:15:58,583 --> 01:16:01,083 {\an8}[foreboding music] 3183 01:16:01,125 --> 01:16:02,625 {\an8}[Scott] The leader of the 3184 01:16:01,125 --> 01:16:02,625 {\an8}Young Boys Incorporated, 3185 01:16:02,667 --> 01:16:04,083 {\an8}Butch Jones, 3186 01:16:06,208 --> 01:16:07,834 {\an8}the Henry Ford of heroin 3187 01:16:06,208 --> 01:16:07,834 {\an8}as he'd like to call himself, 3188 01:16:08,417 --> 01:16:11,750 {\an8}responsible for hundreds 3189 01:16:08,417 --> 01:16:11,750 {\an8}and hundreds 3190 01:16:11,792 --> 01:16:13,625 {\an8}of kilos of drugs being sold. 3191 01:16:13,667 --> 01:16:16,834 {\an8}Responsible 3192 01:16:13,667 --> 01:16:16,834 {\an8}for multiple murders, 3193 01:16:17,542 --> 01:16:19,625 {\an8}alleged and convicted, 3194 01:16:19,667 --> 01:16:20,834 {\an8}did seven years. 3195 01:16:22,959 --> 01:16:26,542 {\an8}[Scott] Kurt McGurk 3196 01:16:22,959 --> 01:16:26,542 {\an8}was Butch Jones' protégé. 3197 01:16:26,583 --> 01:16:30,875 {\an8}A 16-year-old hitman 3198 01:16:26,583 --> 01:16:30,875 did 25 years. 3199 01:16:30,917 --> 01:16:32,000 He's out. 3200 01:16:32,542 --> 01:16:34,500 The Curry Boys. 3201 01:16:34,542 --> 01:16:37,375 Johnny Curry, 3202 01:16:34,542 --> 01:16:37,375 Rick's mentor in the game. 3203 01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:42,333 Arguably the biggest Eastside 3204 01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:42,333 drug dealer of the 1980s, 3205 01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,208 ran an empire for ten years. 3206 01:16:45,834 --> 01:16:47,917 Went into prison in 1987. 3207 01:16:47,959 --> 01:16:50,500 Came out in 1999, 12 years. 3208 01:16:51,458 --> 01:16:53,625 Nathaniel "Boone" Craft. 3209 01:16:53,667 --> 01:16:54,959 Here I am. 3210 01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:56,500 Hitman, murderer, 3211 01:16:56,542 --> 01:16:58,083 however y'all wanna put it. 3212 01:16:58,125 --> 01:17:01,333 Admitted to killing 30 people 3213 01:16:58,125 --> 01:17:01,333 in open court 3214 01:17:02,083 --> 01:17:03,834 did 17 years, he's out. 3215 01:17:04,417 --> 01:17:06,291 I'm not in prison no longer. 3216 01:17:07,333 --> 01:17:09,000 I'm free, 3217 01:17:09,041 --> 01:17:12,291 and hoping one day y'all will 3218 01:17:09,041 --> 01:17:12,291 free White Boy Rick. 3219 01:17:14,208 --> 01:17:17,375 [Chris] What rational human 3220 01:17:14,208 --> 01:17:17,375 being would say 3221 01:17:17,417 --> 01:17:21,333 that a man who has admitted 3222 01:17:17,417 --> 01:17:21,333 30 execution-style killings, 3223 01:17:22,250 --> 01:17:24,625 who then cooperates 3224 01:17:22,250 --> 01:17:24,625 with law enforcement, 3225 01:17:24,667 --> 01:17:26,667 should get out in 17 years 3226 01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:29,000 and Richard Wershe, Jr. 3227 01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:29,000 should be in for 28 years? 3228 01:17:30,625 --> 01:17:32,625 [Nate] I know I'm going to hell. 3229 01:17:32,667 --> 01:17:34,709 There's nothing that I could do 3230 01:17:32,667 --> 01:17:34,709 to change that 3231 01:17:34,750 --> 01:17:36,959 because my life 3232 01:17:34,750 --> 01:17:36,959 had so much violence, 3233 01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:38,834 so much everything but, yet, 3234 01:17:38,875 --> 01:17:40,917 White Boy Rick 3235 01:17:38,875 --> 01:17:40,917 is still locked up. 3236 01:17:42,834 --> 01:17:46,417 [Ralph] The government takes 3237 01:17:42,834 --> 01:17:46,417 a 14-year-old boy 3238 01:17:46,458 --> 01:17:48,291 out of high school 3239 01:17:48,333 --> 01:17:52,000 and places him in imminent peril 3240 01:17:52,041 --> 01:17:54,250 so that they can do their job. 3241 01:17:55,834 --> 01:17:58,458 [Ralph] And after 3242 01:17:55,834 --> 01:17:58,458 they used him up, 3243 01:17:58,500 --> 01:17:59,959 they kick him to the curb, 3244 01:18:00,917 --> 01:18:03,583 and send him to jail 3245 01:18:00,917 --> 01:18:03,583 for the rest of his life. 3246 01:18:05,083 --> 01:18:07,000 He done served a lot of time 3247 01:18:07,041 --> 01:18:09,000 for something that he wasn't. 3248 01:18:09,667 --> 01:18:11,667 Bottom line, 3249 01:18:09,667 --> 01:18:11,667 for something that he wasn't. 3250 01:18:12,500 --> 01:18:14,291 What happens if... 3251 01:18:15,333 --> 01:18:17,917 three, or four, or five, 3252 01:18:15,333 --> 01:18:17,917 ten years down the road, 3253 01:18:19,583 --> 01:18:22,083 Rick, you get out of prison? 3254 01:18:19,583 --> 01:18:22,083 What do you do, then? 3255 01:18:23,375 --> 01:18:24,667 Start my life over. 3256 01:18:27,291 --> 01:18:30,291 Try and start 3257 01:18:27,291 --> 01:18:30,291 from the beginning, you know? 3258 01:18:30,333 --> 01:18:33,709 I wanna go home, 3259 01:18:30,333 --> 01:18:33,709 be able to raise my kids, 3260 01:18:33,750 --> 01:18:35,375 have a family, 3261 01:18:35,417 --> 01:18:37,792 get a job somewhere, 3262 01:18:35,417 --> 01:18:37,792 and then lead a normal life. 3263 01:18:38,583 --> 01:18:40,583 [somber music] 3264 01:18:52,625 --> 01:18:54,625 [Kevin] Hello. I'm Kevin Dietz 3265 01:18:52,625 --> 01:18:54,625 with a breaking news story. 3266 01:18:54,667 --> 01:18:55,959 A decision is in 3267 01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,417 on the Richard Wershe 3268 01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,417 "White Boy Rick" case. 3269 01:18:58,458 --> 01:19:01,125 The parole board has voted, 3270 01:18:58,458 --> 01:19:01,125 and they have voted 3271 01:19:01,166 --> 01:19:03,083 to parole Richard Wershe. 3272 01:19:03,125 --> 01:19:06,542 He will be freed 3273 01:19:03,125 --> 01:19:06,542 of his life sentence in prison 3274 01:19:06,583 --> 01:19:08,083 -in the state of Michigan. 3275 01:19:06,583 --> 01:19:08,083 -[clapping] 3276 01:19:08,125 --> 01:19:09,542 Oh, my God! 3277 01:19:09,583 --> 01:19:11,417 -[clapping] 3278 01:19:09,583 --> 01:19:11,417 -[chuckles] 3279 01:19:11,458 --> 01:19:12,500 - Is that it? 3280 01:19:12,542 --> 01:19:13,500 [Darlene] He did it. 3281 01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:17,667 [Wershe] 3282 01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:17,667 The administrative assistant 3283 01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:17,667 came and called me in the office 3284 01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:17,667 and- 3285 01:19:17,709 --> 01:19:20,667 -he basically told me, "Listen, 3286 01:19:17,709 --> 01:19:20,667 it's over." 3287 01:19:20,709 --> 01:19:23,333 "You're done. Michigan paroled 3288 01:19:20,709 --> 01:19:23,333 you." 3289 01:19:23,375 --> 01:19:24,375 And what did you do? 3290 01:19:25,667 --> 01:19:29,750 [Wershe] 3291 01:19:25,667 --> 01:19:29,750 I cried man. 3292 01:19:29,792 --> 01:19:30,709 I cried. 3293 01:19:44,667 --> 01:19:46,667 [dramatic music] 3294 01:22:22,250 --> 01:22:23,583 [splatters] 210655

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