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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.SubtitleDB.org today 2 00:00:43,878 --> 00:00:45,210 This is not fun and games. 3 00:00:45,212 --> 00:00:47,312 - A corrupt system. - This is life and death. 4 00:00:47,314 --> 00:00:50,315 A billion people dying from smoking related diseases. 5 00:00:50,317 --> 00:00:52,584 70% of current smokers want to quit. 6 00:00:52,586 --> 00:00:54,420 I smoked for 40 years. 7 00:00:54,422 --> 00:00:55,687 50 years. 8 00:00:55,689 --> 00:00:56,655 Using the patch. 9 00:00:56,657 --> 00:00:58,190 Nicotine patches or chews. 10 00:00:58,192 --> 00:00:59,592 Proven smokeless cessation method. 11 00:00:59,594 --> 00:01:00,434 Should be promoted. 12 00:01:00,458 --> 00:01:01,627 This hasn't helped. 13 00:01:01,629 --> 00:01:02,629 Majority of them failed. 14 00:01:02,653 --> 00:01:04,496 That makes no sense. 15 00:01:04,498 --> 00:01:05,531 E-cigarette. 16 00:01:07,935 --> 00:01:09,501 ...E-cigarettes. 17 00:01:09,503 --> 00:01:10,436 E-cigarettes. 18 00:01:10,438 --> 00:01:12,438 - Alternative to lighting up. - Stopped. 19 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,373 We don't know if that's true, or not. 20 00:01:14,375 --> 00:01:15,607 They've been making headlines. 21 00:01:15,609 --> 00:01:17,249 Don't look for an endorsement from the... 22 00:01:17,251 --> 00:01:18,731 Lung Association, Heart Association. 23 00:01:18,755 --> 00:01:20,114 World Health Organization. 24 00:01:22,817 --> 00:01:24,483 Is raising the red flag on. 25 00:01:24,485 --> 00:01:25,617 Dangers involved. 26 00:01:25,619 --> 00:01:26,579 We need to be careful. 27 00:01:26,603 --> 00:01:27,735 Quit or die. 28 00:01:30,791 --> 00:01:34,293 The potential harm is likely to be very, very small. 29 00:01:34,295 --> 00:01:35,661 Usage has tripled. 30 00:01:35,663 --> 00:01:36,829 Vapes are everywhere. 31 00:01:36,831 --> 00:01:38,330 Causing blindness. 32 00:01:38,332 --> 00:01:39,231 Promotes smoking. 33 00:01:39,233 --> 00:01:40,299 Nicotine is in here. 34 00:01:40,301 --> 00:01:43,302 Ignorance is a real problem. 35 00:01:43,304 --> 00:01:44,236 Other than heroin. 36 00:01:44,238 --> 00:01:45,471 Gateway to cocaine. 37 00:01:45,473 --> 00:01:47,072 It's the most addictive drug there is. 38 00:01:47,074 --> 00:01:48,440 But are they really that awesome? 39 00:01:48,442 --> 00:01:49,841 Every study has to be questioned. 40 00:01:49,876 --> 00:01:51,043 Cherry picking studies. 41 00:01:51,045 --> 00:01:52,377 - Taxing them. - Regulated. 42 00:01:52,379 --> 00:01:53,979 - Puffer control. - Same as cigarettes. 43 00:01:53,981 --> 00:01:56,148 - Stupid fools. - Easy to buy a cigarette. 44 00:01:56,150 --> 00:01:57,483 They're considered cigarettes. 45 00:01:57,485 --> 00:01:58,650 Than to buy an e-cigarette. 46 00:01:58,652 --> 00:02:01,320 - You cave in. - Gone. 47 00:02:31,184 --> 00:02:34,753 My whole life I've been told that smoking is bad. 48 00:02:34,755 --> 00:02:36,755 Smoking will kill you. 49 00:02:36,757 --> 00:02:40,325 Smokers are stupid. 50 00:02:40,327 --> 00:02:43,595 I pretty much thought that smoking was a thing of the past. 51 00:02:43,597 --> 00:02:45,764 Part of history. 52 00:02:45,766 --> 00:02:48,467 I was wrong. 53 00:02:48,469 --> 00:02:51,436 I was shocked that I found out that a billion people 54 00:02:51,438 --> 00:02:54,506 are projected to die early from smoking this century. 55 00:02:54,508 --> 00:02:57,142 I was even more surprised when I found out 56 00:02:57,144 --> 00:03:00,112 that many people were using new ways to quit. 57 00:03:00,114 --> 00:03:01,813 But that those ways were being banned 58 00:03:01,815 --> 00:03:06,552 in more and more countries. 59 00:03:06,554 --> 00:03:08,687 On our journey to find the truth 60 00:03:08,689 --> 00:03:10,789 we traveled around the world. 61 00:03:10,791 --> 00:03:13,025 We discovered a common mentality. 62 00:03:13,027 --> 00:03:18,063 People that choose to smoke, deserve to die. 63 00:03:18,065 --> 00:03:20,799 Despite research showing modern cigarettes to be deadly, 64 00:03:20,801 --> 00:03:24,469 the number of smokers around the world continues to rise. 65 00:03:24,471 --> 00:03:26,538 Millions are dying early. 66 00:03:26,540 --> 00:03:30,909 Casualties of a war they don't understand. 67 00:03:30,911 --> 00:03:31,810 Shoddy studies, 68 00:03:32,278 --> 00:03:34,079 Fear of the unknown, 69 00:03:34,081 --> 00:03:38,984 And passionate enthusiasm are the weapons of choice. 70 00:03:38,986 --> 00:03:41,153 Battle lines were drawn. 71 00:03:41,155 --> 00:03:43,088 A culture war began. 72 00:03:43,090 --> 00:03:47,059 We discovered a widespread corruption. 73 00:03:47,061 --> 00:03:49,828 To separate the truth from the lies, 74 00:03:49,830 --> 00:03:51,863 The emotion from the facts, 75 00:03:51,865 --> 00:03:55,500 We went to the leading doctors and scientists. 76 00:03:59,006 --> 00:04:01,373 In the end, our journey became about more 77 00:04:01,375 --> 00:04:04,610 than just smoking, or vaping. 78 00:04:04,612 --> 00:04:06,545 It's about freedom, 79 00:04:06,547 --> 00:04:09,915 Corruption, and the fate of future generations. 80 00:04:14,188 --> 00:04:17,189 This is the battle for a billion lives. 81 00:04:26,065 --> 00:04:28,300 Each year the tobacco industry produces over 82 00:04:28,302 --> 00:04:30,435 six trillion cigarettes. 83 00:04:30,437 --> 00:04:33,071 That's enough to create a chain from earth to mars, 84 00:04:33,073 --> 00:04:36,275 And back, every single year. 85 00:04:36,277 --> 00:04:38,977 It is estimated that over 1.6 billion smokers 86 00:04:38,979 --> 00:04:42,648 will be on the planet in the next 20 years. 87 00:04:42,650 --> 00:04:45,284 That's more than the entire population of the earth, 88 00:04:45,286 --> 00:04:48,620 only about 100 years ago. 89 00:04:48,622 --> 00:04:50,422 To understand how we got to this point we went 90 00:04:50,446 --> 00:04:52,624 to the Andes mountains, where it all began. 91 00:04:52,626 --> 00:04:55,327 It's hard to believe that something so massive 92 00:04:55,329 --> 00:04:58,764 could begin as something so small. 93 00:04:58,766 --> 00:05:00,565 Historians tell us that ancient incan priests 94 00:05:00,567 --> 00:05:02,801 were the only ones in the village who smoked tobacco. 95 00:05:02,803 --> 00:05:05,737 That they used it as a ceremonial cleanser. 96 00:05:05,739 --> 00:05:07,906 To understand where we are with this debate about 97 00:05:07,908 --> 00:05:11,943 vapor technology, we need to look at how we got here. 98 00:05:11,945 --> 00:05:17,816 And how a billion people, now find themselves trapped. 99 00:05:17,818 --> 00:05:20,919 During the industrial revolution tobacco use changed 100 00:05:20,921 --> 00:05:22,988 in a big way. 101 00:05:22,990 --> 00:05:25,524 Cigarettes made by massive tobacco companies 102 00:05:25,526 --> 00:05:29,261 became more heavily processed, cheap, convenient, 103 00:05:29,263 --> 00:05:31,630 And a big part of pop culture. 104 00:05:31,632 --> 00:05:34,833 The rise of cigarettes had begun. 105 00:05:44,977 --> 00:05:48,814 L.S./M.F.T. L.S./M.F.T. 106 00:05:48,816 --> 00:05:51,817 Lucky strike means fine tobacco. 107 00:05:51,819 --> 00:05:54,986 Yes, in a cigarette it's the tobacco that counts. 108 00:05:54,988 --> 00:05:57,789 And lucky strike means fine tobacco. 109 00:05:59,860 --> 00:06:02,661 If we think of the last century 110 00:06:02,663 --> 00:06:04,796 the big breakthrough that really got us into 111 00:06:04,798 --> 00:06:06,678 the problem we were... What we have was actually 112 00:06:06,702 --> 00:06:11,837 a technology innovation in terms of the cigarette machine. 113 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,073 That immediately allowed us to have millions 114 00:06:15,075 --> 00:06:17,642 and billions of cigarettes being produced. 115 00:06:17,644 --> 00:06:19,077 And sales took off. 116 00:06:19,079 --> 00:06:22,581 At the time there was not much knowledge about the risk. 117 00:06:22,583 --> 00:06:25,217 There actually was already some hint of this 118 00:06:25,219 --> 00:06:28,520 by 1908, 1909, while it was taking off. 119 00:06:28,522 --> 00:06:31,089 Yale researchers were already starting to publish 120 00:06:31,091 --> 00:06:34,192 and advocate for people to not use tobacco 121 00:06:34,194 --> 00:06:37,262 because of fitness concerns and lung effects. 122 00:06:37,264 --> 00:06:40,031 By the '30s the German's had started producing data. 123 00:06:40,033 --> 00:06:43,368 By the '50s the British had started producing data. 124 00:06:43,370 --> 00:06:46,204 And then we all know finally that 1962 125 00:06:46,206 --> 00:06:48,540 the Royal College of Physicians report, 126 00:06:48,542 --> 00:06:51,910 two years later, the Surgeon General report came out 127 00:06:51,912 --> 00:06:54,780 and shock horror these products were not just sources 128 00:06:54,782 --> 00:06:57,015 of pleasures, people thought they were 129 00:06:57,017 --> 00:07:00,852 they were actually causing harm and death. 130 00:07:00,854 --> 00:07:02,921 In the history of the world, no non-essential 131 00:07:02,923 --> 00:07:05,724 habit ever got so entranced so fast. 132 00:07:05,726 --> 00:07:07,559 Seventy million Americans smoke. 133 00:07:07,561 --> 00:07:09,401 Today they got a message from the United States 134 00:07:09,425 --> 00:07:11,963 Surgeon General, who is at a blue ribbon committee 135 00:07:11,965 --> 00:07:14,199 studying their habit for 14 months. 136 00:07:14,201 --> 00:07:16,768 The committee has reached the overall judgment: 137 00:07:16,770 --> 00:07:20,305 Cigarette smoking is related to a higher death rates 138 00:07:20,307 --> 00:07:23,041 in a number of disease categories. 139 00:07:23,043 --> 00:07:25,143 If we go back to understand 140 00:07:25,145 --> 00:07:27,112 when did we first have knowledge 141 00:07:27,114 --> 00:07:30,248 that it's tar that kills and nicotine that addicts? 142 00:07:30,250 --> 00:07:33,051 We now know that BAT and Randall Williams 143 00:07:33,053 --> 00:07:36,588 knew this from the early '60s. 144 00:07:36,590 --> 00:07:38,223 You can say this is a cynical thing, 145 00:07:38,225 --> 00:07:39,625 Why didn't they stop at that point? 146 00:07:39,649 --> 00:07:41,687 But they were a company with billions of dollars 147 00:07:41,689 --> 00:07:45,230 investment and were not gonna stop. 148 00:07:45,232 --> 00:07:47,065 I became the Winston man 149 00:07:47,067 --> 00:07:48,133 in 1981. 150 00:07:48,135 --> 00:07:50,235 I was 32-years-old, 151 00:07:50,237 --> 00:07:52,003 and I got a call from an agent in New York 152 00:07:52,005 --> 00:07:53,838 and he wanted to know if I would be interested 153 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,640 in coming up for an interview for an audition. 154 00:07:55,642 --> 00:07:57,275 They were doing a casting for Winston. 155 00:07:57,277 --> 00:07:59,578 So I went in, I had an audition. 156 00:07:59,580 --> 00:08:01,346 Two weeks later I get a call 157 00:08:01,348 --> 00:08:03,388 that they narrowed it down and they wanted to see me 158 00:08:03,412 --> 00:08:04,783 again for a call back. 159 00:08:04,785 --> 00:08:06,618 So I had to go up the next day, unshaven, 160 00:08:06,620 --> 00:08:08,500 Because they wanted me to have that rugged look. 161 00:08:08,524 --> 00:08:10,455 'Cause R.J. Reynolds was looking for a 162 00:08:10,457 --> 00:08:12,924 rugged macho kind of a theme. 163 00:08:12,926 --> 00:08:15,260 They come out and say, "you, you, and you." 164 00:08:15,262 --> 00:08:19,631 Now these are your new Winston men for 1981 and '82. 165 00:08:19,633 --> 00:08:22,167 My jaw dropped, I was floored. 166 00:08:22,169 --> 00:08:23,335 I literally was floored. 167 00:08:23,337 --> 00:08:25,537 Never ever, ever, ever thinking about 168 00:08:25,539 --> 00:08:29,040 the outcome of what exactly I was doing 169 00:08:29,042 --> 00:08:31,142 and would have done over the next eight years. 170 00:08:31,144 --> 00:08:33,178 And that was being seven and a half years as 171 00:08:33,180 --> 00:08:36,147 the Winston man, in over 42 ads 172 00:08:36,149 --> 00:08:40,118 showing smoking to be, associated with healthy activity. 173 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,321 'Cause that's all tobacco marketing is. 174 00:08:52,633 --> 00:08:56,134 After practicing as a physician I then went into 175 00:08:56,136 --> 00:08:59,237 organized medicine and hit it up the organization 176 00:08:59,239 --> 00:09:01,206 which is like the mothership of doctors. 177 00:09:01,208 --> 00:09:02,807 The World Medical Association. 178 00:09:02,809 --> 00:09:06,177 And at that time we were very, very strongly 179 00:09:06,179 --> 00:09:07,479 against tobacco. 180 00:09:07,481 --> 00:09:09,981 Strongly against tobacco industry, 181 00:09:09,983 --> 00:09:14,152 Who we knew had lied about the mortality/morbidity 182 00:09:14,154 --> 00:09:16,821 linked to their product. 183 00:09:16,823 --> 00:09:19,424 And we knew that we were up against a huge 184 00:09:19,426 --> 00:09:21,192 marketing machine. 185 00:09:21,194 --> 00:09:22,661 The Flintstones 186 00:09:22,663 --> 00:09:25,196 has been brought to you by Winston, 187 00:09:25,198 --> 00:09:28,667 America's best selling best tasting filtered cigarette. 188 00:09:36,910 --> 00:09:40,679 Did our first shoots up in mount Evans, Colorado. 189 00:09:40,681 --> 00:09:43,915 Which was pretty educational for me because 190 00:09:43,917 --> 00:09:45,877 you know what happens to a three pack a day smoker 191 00:09:45,901 --> 00:09:48,086 at 12,000 feet on top of a mountain? 192 00:09:48,088 --> 00:09:49,387 It ain't pretty. 193 00:09:49,389 --> 00:09:51,189 Especially when you're on oxygen, 194 00:09:51,191 --> 00:09:53,291 and you're not able to smoke 195 00:09:53,293 --> 00:09:56,394 when you're on oxygen, 'cause you'll blow up. 196 00:09:56,396 --> 00:09:59,264 And I was there for a good five, six days 197 00:09:59,266 --> 00:10:00,599 with the crew. 198 00:10:00,601 --> 00:10:03,101 They were trying to capture the story 199 00:10:03,103 --> 00:10:04,603 of what our theme was. 200 00:10:04,605 --> 00:10:07,205 Which was search and rescue, storm searcher. 201 00:10:07,207 --> 00:10:09,908 We would fly in with a helicopter, okay. 202 00:10:09,910 --> 00:10:13,378 We'd be out looking for, whatever we're looking for. 203 00:10:13,380 --> 00:10:15,300 Repelling off the side of the mountain, which was 204 00:10:15,324 --> 00:10:16,581 what they paid me to do. 205 00:10:16,583 --> 00:10:19,451 And then, at the end of the day was light up time. 206 00:10:19,453 --> 00:10:21,493 Sitting on the top of the rock, lighting a cigarette 207 00:10:21,517 --> 00:10:23,788 with your buddy, passing the cigarette to your buddy. 208 00:10:23,790 --> 00:10:26,257 So the theme was, let's tell a story about how 209 00:10:26,259 --> 00:10:29,260 macho these guys are, how they're saving lives, 210 00:10:29,262 --> 00:10:31,396 Search and rescue, and then at the end of the day 211 00:10:31,398 --> 00:10:33,898 the camaraderie is so special that they have to have 212 00:10:33,900 --> 00:10:36,568 a cigarette together to celebrate their successes 213 00:10:36,570 --> 00:10:39,537 that was the most machismo that they could come up with 214 00:10:39,539 --> 00:10:42,807 which was now going to compete with the number one brand 215 00:10:42,809 --> 00:10:44,976 of selling cigarettes, which was Marlboro, at the time. 216 00:10:44,978 --> 00:10:47,679 Winston, at that time, was only number four. 217 00:10:47,681 --> 00:10:50,348 50 head of cattle headin' for home. 218 00:10:51,852 --> 00:10:54,085 Come to where the flavor is. 219 00:10:54,087 --> 00:10:56,521 Come to Marlboro country. 220 00:10:59,826 --> 00:11:02,093 Within two years Winston became the number two 221 00:11:02,095 --> 00:11:04,295 selling brand, right behind Marlboro. 222 00:11:04,297 --> 00:11:05,497 How did that happen? 223 00:11:05,499 --> 00:11:06,199 Marketing. 224 00:11:06,365 --> 00:11:07,098 Marketing. 225 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:08,466 Marketing. 226 00:11:08,468 --> 00:11:09,868 Spend more money, spend more money. 227 00:11:09,870 --> 00:11:11,550 Let's keep associating this deadly product 228 00:11:11,574 --> 00:11:13,171 with something that kids want. 229 00:11:13,173 --> 00:11:14,939 Gee, we ought to do somethin' Fred. 230 00:11:14,941 --> 00:11:15,840 Okay. 231 00:11:15,842 --> 00:11:17,442 How's about taking a nap? 232 00:11:17,444 --> 00:11:19,177 I got a better idea. 233 00:11:19,179 --> 00:11:20,545 Let's take a Winston break. 234 00:11:20,547 --> 00:11:21,980 That's it! 235 00:11:21,982 --> 00:11:24,549 My job was to deliberately to seek out 236 00:11:24,551 --> 00:11:28,787 the vulnerable 13, 14, 15, 16, or 17 237 00:11:28,789 --> 00:11:30,789 year old and entice them into thinking 238 00:11:30,791 --> 00:11:32,624 that this is what they too could be like. 239 00:11:32,626 --> 00:11:34,292 That's all I did. 240 00:11:34,294 --> 00:11:37,395 26 days a year I had to work for R.J. Reynolds. 241 00:11:37,397 --> 00:11:40,065 They paid me over $100,000 a year. 242 00:11:40,067 --> 00:11:42,367 Not to mention being on billboards, magazines, 243 00:11:42,369 --> 00:11:44,469 Penthouse, Playboy, popular mechanics, 244 00:11:44,471 --> 00:11:46,431 Anything that would be a male magazine considered, 245 00:11:46,455 --> 00:11:48,006 That's where my ads were. 246 00:11:48,008 --> 00:11:49,768 Because we weren't trying to entice the girls 247 00:11:49,792 --> 00:11:51,009 to smoke Winston. 248 00:11:51,011 --> 00:11:53,051 Because they had their own, they had Virginia slims, 249 00:11:53,075 --> 00:11:55,647 And Eve, and Satins, and Capris. 250 00:11:55,649 --> 00:11:57,749 I was ballsy enough to ask a question 251 00:11:57,751 --> 00:11:59,884 of the R.J. Reynolds tobacco executive, 252 00:11:59,886 --> 00:12:02,587 "how come you guys from R.J. Reynolds don't smoke?" 253 00:12:02,589 --> 00:12:04,709 They said: "We don't smoke the shit, we just sell it." 254 00:12:04,733 --> 00:12:07,058 "We reserve the right to smoke for the young, the poor," 255 00:12:07,060 --> 00:12:09,894 "the black, and the stupid." 256 00:12:09,896 --> 00:12:12,363 And billions of dollars were there to fund it. 257 00:12:12,365 --> 00:12:15,767 They're spending more money marketing, okay, 258 00:12:15,769 --> 00:12:18,770 Than a lot of people were spending to prevent it. 259 00:12:23,476 --> 00:12:26,211 The U.S. was slowly starting to pick 260 00:12:26,213 --> 00:12:28,747 its act up to introduce some taxes. 261 00:12:28,749 --> 00:12:31,683 It couldn't make progress on advertising bans, 262 00:12:31,685 --> 00:12:33,518 because first amendment protection. 263 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,887 The tobacco industry was then trying to provide 264 00:12:35,889 --> 00:12:39,524 research grants to researchers to buy them off. 265 00:12:39,526 --> 00:12:41,566 Or to at least ensure that the direction of research 266 00:12:41,590 --> 00:12:43,394 didn't go in more of a negative way. 267 00:12:43,396 --> 00:12:46,431 And that's when we had the era of the large tobacco 268 00:12:46,433 --> 00:12:49,768 finance research groups around the world. 269 00:12:54,541 --> 00:12:55,740 The tobacco institute. 270 00:12:55,742 --> 00:12:58,476 A trade association with a unique objective. 271 00:12:58,478 --> 00:13:00,712 To promote a free and informed discussion 272 00:13:00,714 --> 00:13:04,082 of all issues involving America's oldest industry. 273 00:13:04,084 --> 00:13:05,817 We had a study done by the Warton Applied 274 00:13:05,819 --> 00:13:08,453 Research Center at the University of Pennsylvania 275 00:13:08,455 --> 00:13:10,054 in 1979. 276 00:13:10,056 --> 00:13:12,590 We were involved in grants with the medical college 277 00:13:12,592 --> 00:13:15,560 of Virginia from 1930 to 1960. 278 00:13:15,562 --> 00:13:17,629 Of course there is a never-ending concern about 279 00:13:17,631 --> 00:13:20,398 the alleged effects of smoking on the health of the smoker. 280 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:24,169 The evidence is certainly inconclusive at this time. 281 00:13:24,171 --> 00:13:27,972 There is no increase in lung cancer mortality rates. 282 00:13:27,974 --> 00:13:30,441 An individual would have to sit in a crowded bar, 283 00:13:30,443 --> 00:13:33,111 or cocktail lounge for more than 100 284 00:13:33,113 --> 00:13:36,147 consecutive hours to inhale the equivalent 285 00:13:36,149 --> 00:13:37,949 of one filtered cigarette. 286 00:13:37,951 --> 00:13:40,919 Well this study was performed by the American Cancer 287 00:13:40,921 --> 00:13:42,754 Society. That was proven 288 00:13:42,756 --> 00:13:45,824 with the study funded, in part, by the Massachusetts 289 00:13:45,826 --> 00:13:47,492 Lung Association. 290 00:13:47,494 --> 00:13:51,362 Which confirms some of our own thinking on the subject. 291 00:13:51,364 --> 00:13:54,432 I basically got into the anti-smoking movement 292 00:13:54,434 --> 00:13:57,468 right after I graduated from... got a masters degree 293 00:13:57,470 --> 00:13:58,770 in public health. 294 00:13:58,772 --> 00:14:01,206 Where I learned that cigarettes are causing more deaths 295 00:14:01,208 --> 00:14:02,507 than everything else combined, 296 00:14:02,509 --> 00:14:04,209 and nobody was doing anything about it, 297 00:14:04,211 --> 00:14:06,477 and I got a job at the local County Health Department, 298 00:14:06,479 --> 00:14:09,647 and I was told: "You have tobacco because" 299 00:14:09,649 --> 00:14:11,549 "nobody else wants the job". 300 00:14:11,551 --> 00:14:13,117 Back then, in the '80s 301 00:14:13,119 --> 00:14:15,687 there were 32 billion packs a year 302 00:14:15,689 --> 00:14:17,789 sold of cigarettes in America. 303 00:14:17,791 --> 00:14:19,157 32 billion. 304 00:14:19,159 --> 00:14:21,059 Nothing but the best for Mr. Ricardo. 305 00:14:21,061 --> 00:14:22,660 Winston filter brand. 306 00:14:22,662 --> 00:14:25,663 Feel the wonderful smoothness deep down in your throat. 307 00:14:30,670 --> 00:14:32,470 Having done all these ads that I did, 308 00:14:32,472 --> 00:14:36,140 and feeling pretty good about the money 309 00:14:36,142 --> 00:14:38,376 I wasn't listening to the public's opinion 310 00:14:38,378 --> 00:14:40,745 about tobacco because right about then is when 311 00:14:40,747 --> 00:14:43,014 you started getting all the negativity. 312 00:14:43,016 --> 00:14:45,516 Even though the Surgeon General's had talked a bad... 313 00:14:45,518 --> 00:14:47,685 Talked about secondary smoke, 314 00:14:47,687 --> 00:14:50,488 and cancer being the number one cause of premature death and disease. 315 00:14:50,490 --> 00:14:53,424 Now this is around 1987 now, '86, 316 00:14:53,426 --> 00:14:54,893 '87, '88. 317 00:14:54,895 --> 00:14:57,428 And I had been doing the ads for almost seven years. 318 00:14:57,430 --> 00:14:58,997 Now you're getting all the scuttlebutt. 319 00:14:58,999 --> 00:15:01,432 Now you're getting all the hate, you're starting 320 00:15:01,434 --> 00:15:02,700 to see anger. 321 00:15:02,702 --> 00:15:04,422 Smoking's killing people, we got proof now. 322 00:15:04,446 --> 00:15:06,337 It's best if there is no smoking 323 00:15:06,339 --> 00:15:09,040 so I can stay well. 324 00:15:09,042 --> 00:15:12,677 Because it hurts people like me who have asthma 325 00:15:12,679 --> 00:15:16,080 and can cause lung cancer even in non-smokers. 326 00:15:16,082 --> 00:15:19,284 If I could, I would tell the president to make it the law 327 00:15:19,286 --> 00:15:22,921 that no one smoke in public places. 328 00:15:22,923 --> 00:15:27,292 Things in life that he, he's gonna come in contact with 329 00:15:27,294 --> 00:15:28,559 in growing up 330 00:15:28,561 --> 00:15:30,762 that he doesn't have control over, 331 00:15:30,764 --> 00:15:32,964 because we live in a free society 332 00:15:32,966 --> 00:15:35,300 and we have choices to make, 333 00:15:35,302 --> 00:15:38,403 and smokers have choices, as well as non-smokers 334 00:15:38,405 --> 00:15:40,605 to be around people who smoke. 335 00:15:40,607 --> 00:15:44,575 The tobacco industry, from the beginning, 336 00:15:44,577 --> 00:15:47,245 First tried to do what I guess any consumer good 337 00:15:47,247 --> 00:15:49,914 company would do, deny the evidence. 338 00:15:49,916 --> 00:15:52,750 If you had your preference 339 00:15:52,752 --> 00:15:56,788 would you want your kids, or your grandkids to smoke? 340 00:15:56,790 --> 00:15:58,289 Or not smoke? 341 00:15:58,291 --> 00:16:00,224 I have no preference. 342 00:16:00,226 --> 00:16:01,592 We have no preference. 343 00:16:01,594 --> 00:16:03,728 I don't believe that nicotine, or our products, 344 00:16:03,730 --> 00:16:04,662 are addictive. 345 00:16:08,635 --> 00:16:11,469 Like father, like son. 346 00:16:13,406 --> 00:16:15,907 Think about it. 347 00:16:15,909 --> 00:16:19,978 For information on smoking and heart disease 348 00:16:19,980 --> 00:16:22,580 ask your Heart Association. 349 00:16:22,582 --> 00:16:25,683 There's now a movement with the National 350 00:16:25,685 --> 00:16:28,319 Cancer Institute, cancer, lung, heart, 351 00:16:28,321 --> 00:16:30,788 not to mention the government and Surgeon General, 352 00:16:30,790 --> 00:16:32,690 that says hey, smoking's killing people 353 00:16:32,692 --> 00:16:34,659 and we got proof now, now we got evidence 354 00:16:34,661 --> 00:16:37,028 we got tobacco files, we got people talking about it. 355 00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:40,798 Now it's starting to get a little curious. 356 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,001 Because I'm getting the same thing from my kids. 357 00:16:43,003 --> 00:16:45,203 Daddy, quit smoking, my teacher says you're gonna croak. 358 00:16:45,227 --> 00:16:46,804 Daddy, quit smoking, you're gonna die. 359 00:16:46,806 --> 00:16:47,839 Dad, you're gonna... 360 00:16:47,841 --> 00:16:48,639 What happens? 361 00:16:48,641 --> 00:16:50,508 My brother gets cancer. 362 00:16:52,805 --> 00:16:55,086 My brother, I was the youngest of three boys in my family, 363 00:16:55,088 --> 00:16:57,328 and he was my older brother, he was only three and a half 364 00:16:57,352 --> 00:16:58,282 years older. 365 00:16:58,284 --> 00:16:59,604 And he was diagnosed with cancer. 366 00:16:59,628 --> 00:17:00,952 And he was a smoker. 367 00:17:00,954 --> 00:17:04,389 And, for about five years I had to watch him deteriorate. 368 00:17:04,391 --> 00:17:07,291 And I'm doing the ads. 369 00:17:07,293 --> 00:17:10,728 When I did the ads, I was still 370 00:17:10,730 --> 00:17:11,796 worrying about my brother. 371 00:17:11,798 --> 00:17:13,798 And I had this horrible experience of driving 372 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:18,870 to Boston, and he was in the Dana Farber Cancer Institute. 373 00:17:18,872 --> 00:17:20,538 And I walked through the doors. 374 00:17:20,540 --> 00:17:23,841 Here we have oncologists, doctors, nurses 375 00:17:23,843 --> 00:17:26,010 people taking care of people who are dying, 376 00:17:26,012 --> 00:17:27,879 literally dying, 377 00:17:27,881 --> 00:17:31,849 from what they chose to do at 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 378 00:17:31,851 --> 00:17:32,750 Et cetera. 379 00:17:32,752 --> 00:17:33,992 Now they have to pay the price. 380 00:17:34,016 --> 00:17:36,054 So now I'm starting to get a little 381 00:17:36,056 --> 00:17:36,854 clued in here. 382 00:17:36,856 --> 00:17:38,189 Well, maybe this is bad. 383 00:17:38,191 --> 00:17:39,690 Maybe this garbage is killing people. 384 00:17:39,692 --> 00:17:41,325 My brother's dying from it. 385 00:17:41,327 --> 00:17:43,728 I'm certainly not feeling the way I did when I was 16 386 00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:45,063 smoking a pack a day. 387 00:17:45,065 --> 00:17:47,065 Now I can't get up and down stairs quite as much. 388 00:17:47,067 --> 00:17:50,168 So I'm starting to see the logic behind all the hate. 389 00:17:50,170 --> 00:17:52,370 I started seeing smokers being seen, not only as 390 00:17:52,372 --> 00:17:54,605 cool, macho, tough, rugged, beautiful, sexy, glamorous, 391 00:17:54,607 --> 00:17:56,574 Fun loving, free spirited, 392 00:17:56,576 --> 00:17:59,744 But smelly, stinky, yellow-toothed people. 393 00:17:59,746 --> 00:18:02,380 Now you're starting to see the segue from 394 00:18:02,382 --> 00:18:04,916 60% of the American people smoking 395 00:18:04,918 --> 00:18:06,717 or chewing or dipping or spitting, 396 00:18:06,719 --> 00:18:08,419 And now you're starting to see the swing. 397 00:18:13,626 --> 00:18:15,860 I had to make a decision and there was a six hour 398 00:18:15,862 --> 00:18:17,061 ride home. 399 00:18:17,063 --> 00:18:19,263 And I probably smoked two packs of cigarettes 400 00:18:19,265 --> 00:18:20,465 on that ride home. 401 00:18:20,467 --> 00:18:21,766 'Cause now I'm stressed. 402 00:18:21,768 --> 00:18:24,268 Now I'm starting to feel pretty bad about this because 403 00:18:24,270 --> 00:18:26,404 now I gotta go face my kid. 404 00:18:26,406 --> 00:18:28,106 And I talked to my son, 405 00:18:28,108 --> 00:18:29,774 and I walked in the door, 406 00:18:29,776 --> 00:18:31,209 and he talked to me. 407 00:18:31,211 --> 00:18:34,145 He said: "Dad, you're gonna die like uncle Bob, right?" 408 00:18:34,147 --> 00:18:35,113 Boom! 409 00:18:35,115 --> 00:18:35,913 Just like that. 410 00:18:35,915 --> 00:18:37,048 That's how it hit me. 411 00:18:37,050 --> 00:18:39,383 It was like a boom. 412 00:18:39,385 --> 00:18:40,585 You know 413 00:18:40,587 --> 00:18:44,322 there's a good chance that I will. 414 00:18:44,324 --> 00:18:47,925 That was my epiphany. 415 00:18:47,927 --> 00:18:50,761 So long ago 416 00:18:50,763 --> 00:18:52,797 that's how it hit me. 417 00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:56,767 And, my passion for my kids, 418 00:18:56,769 --> 00:19:00,905 And my wife was so grand that I was gonna beat it. 419 00:19:00,907 --> 00:19:02,273 Okay, so I made a decision. 420 00:19:02,275 --> 00:19:05,343 It was July 17th, when I told my son, 421 00:19:05,345 --> 00:19:07,778 "I'm gonna quit." 422 00:19:07,780 --> 00:19:09,947 "I promise, I'm gonna quit." 423 00:19:09,949 --> 00:19:11,849 And, right hand up to God: "I'm gonna quit," 424 00:19:11,851 --> 00:19:13,417 "I'm gonna quit." 425 00:19:13,419 --> 00:19:16,420 And he said: "Okay Dad, you promise, right?" 426 00:19:16,422 --> 00:19:18,523 Well what you don't tell a 10 or 11-year-old 427 00:19:18,525 --> 00:19:20,091 is something then not do it. 428 00:19:20,093 --> 00:19:22,293 'Cause they will hound you, and they will hound you, 429 00:19:22,295 --> 00:19:23,928 And they will hound you. 430 00:19:23,930 --> 00:19:26,931 Well he hounded me until the great American smokeout 431 00:19:26,933 --> 00:19:29,100 in November of 1988. 432 00:19:29,102 --> 00:19:30,835 You see this fan? 433 00:19:30,837 --> 00:19:33,037 Well, I use it while I'm around cigarette smokers. 434 00:19:33,039 --> 00:19:34,805 But I may get a chance to throw it away 435 00:19:34,807 --> 00:19:36,440 during the great American smokeout. 436 00:19:36,442 --> 00:19:39,177 The day the American Cancer Society asks every smoker 437 00:19:39,179 --> 00:19:41,012 in America to quit for 24 hours. 438 00:19:41,014 --> 00:19:41,946 I picked that day. 439 00:19:41,948 --> 00:19:43,948 I told my son I was gonna quit. 440 00:19:43,950 --> 00:19:45,316 And, I did. 441 00:19:45,318 --> 00:19:47,552 I get a call from every Philadelphia news station, 442 00:19:47,554 --> 00:19:48,986 television station. 443 00:19:48,988 --> 00:19:51,222 I get a call from CBS this morning with Harry Smith. 444 00:19:51,224 --> 00:19:53,791 I get a call from ABC, I get a call 445 00:19:53,793 --> 00:19:55,193 and they're picking me up by limo 446 00:19:55,195 --> 00:19:56,561 they're taking me to New York. 447 00:19:56,563 --> 00:19:58,896 No one had ever quit smoking publicly, 448 00:19:58,898 --> 00:20:00,938 especially the Winston man who's on every billboard, 449 00:20:00,962 --> 00:20:03,301 every magazine, everywhere for eight years now, 450 00:20:03,303 --> 00:20:04,902 going on eight years. 451 00:20:04,904 --> 00:20:07,838 And then he's biting the hand that feeds him. 452 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,807 My brother's dying of cancer. 453 00:20:09,809 --> 00:20:13,244 I promised my kids I wouldn't hurt myself like my brother. 454 00:20:13,246 --> 00:20:15,086 And I've seen so many people dying that I'm not 455 00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:16,380 gonna do these ads anymore. 456 00:20:16,382 --> 00:20:17,715 I can't do it. 457 00:20:17,717 --> 00:20:21,752 I cannot physically, and morally, do it anymore. 458 00:20:21,754 --> 00:20:24,922 Image has been a great concern for the tobacco industry. 459 00:20:24,924 --> 00:20:27,825 The person we choose this week was once 460 00:20:27,827 --> 00:20:30,995 one of the industries leading image maker. 461 00:20:30,997 --> 00:20:33,898 The tobacco industry had really played out to the peak 462 00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:36,167 of what it was going to do trying to thwart policies. 463 00:20:36,169 --> 00:20:41,038 Our long and difficult four-year journey down tobacco road 464 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,940 has come to a victorious end. 465 00:20:42,942 --> 00:20:45,042 The largest financial recovery in the history 466 00:20:45,044 --> 00:20:46,344 of the world. 467 00:20:46,346 --> 00:20:49,013 We've arrived at our final destination, 468 00:20:49,015 --> 00:20:52,049 And that's the destination of tobacco justice. 469 00:20:52,051 --> 00:20:55,586 Close to 33,000 lawsuits against big tobacco. 470 00:20:55,588 --> 00:20:57,255 The precedence were being set. 471 00:20:57,257 --> 00:21:00,758 So now if one person sues, and you got the same disease 472 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,027 then so on, and so on, and so on, and so on. 473 00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:05,269 So they sat around, and said: "Let's come up with a way." 474 00:21:05,271 --> 00:21:07,471 And they went to meetings, they went to private meetings 475 00:21:07,495 --> 00:21:10,268 according to the tobacco files that I've been privy to. 476 00:21:10,270 --> 00:21:12,336 And they said: "We've got to come up with something" 477 00:21:12,338 --> 00:21:13,858 "that's going to stop these lawsuits." 478 00:21:13,860 --> 00:21:15,500 Well, here's what you're gonna have to do 479 00:21:15,524 --> 00:21:16,340 big tobacco people. 480 00:21:16,342 --> 00:21:18,075 You're gonna have to give us some money back 481 00:21:18,077 --> 00:21:20,278 in order for us to convince our constituency 482 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,613 that that money, 'cause we're sick and tired 483 00:21:22,615 --> 00:21:24,882 of paying for medicare, and medicaid 484 00:21:24,884 --> 00:21:27,151 rehabilitation and prevention 485 00:21:27,153 --> 00:21:30,087 because your product has cost us and our state. 486 00:21:30,089 --> 00:21:31,569 Michael Moore did it, in Mississippi. 487 00:21:31,593 --> 00:21:33,658 Michael Moore took on big tobacco, said: 488 00:21:33,660 --> 00:21:35,159 "I'm gonna sue your asses." 489 00:21:35,161 --> 00:21:36,460 He's the only one that did it. 490 00:21:36,462 --> 00:21:39,964 He sued, and won 12 billion dollars. 491 00:21:39,966 --> 00:21:41,499 So then it became even more important 492 00:21:41,501 --> 00:21:43,968 that they justify this money being spent. 493 00:21:43,970 --> 00:21:45,903 Even if it was for a year, or two. 494 00:21:45,905 --> 00:21:47,938 They've never said they were gonna use it forever 495 00:21:47,940 --> 00:21:49,974 in the 25 years that they're gonna get it. 496 00:21:49,976 --> 00:21:51,842 Florida said, oh my. 497 00:21:51,844 --> 00:21:52,943 I'd like some of that. 498 00:21:52,945 --> 00:21:54,312 We have the same problem. 499 00:21:54,314 --> 00:21:55,112 We're suing too. 500 00:21:55,114 --> 00:21:56,414 They've got 11 billion. 501 00:21:56,416 --> 00:21:57,948 Texas did it, they got 13 billion 502 00:21:57,950 --> 00:22:00,117 'cause it was all based on per capita 503 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,986 and pro-rated a number of citizens. 504 00:22:01,988 --> 00:22:03,020 Minnesota did it. 505 00:22:03,022 --> 00:22:06,657 Four states got 46 billion dollars 506 00:22:06,659 --> 00:22:09,527 in a matter of a week. 507 00:22:09,529 --> 00:22:11,162 46 billion. 508 00:22:11,164 --> 00:22:14,298 Well, every other state wanted to touch... a piece of that. 509 00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:16,267 We want some of that. 510 00:22:16,269 --> 00:22:18,169 We, we're paying medicare too. 511 00:22:18,171 --> 00:22:20,531 So let's come up with a number that everybody can live with. 512 00:22:20,555 --> 00:22:23,274 They came up with 200 billion. 513 00:22:23,276 --> 00:22:27,144 Plus the 46 that went previously to those four states. 514 00:22:27,146 --> 00:22:31,349 And they gave attorney generals 72 hours 515 00:22:31,351 --> 00:22:32,850 to sign on. 516 00:22:32,852 --> 00:22:34,552 And the only way they would get any money 517 00:22:34,554 --> 00:22:37,521 if they signed on without even knowing what was going on. 518 00:22:37,523 --> 00:22:40,358 And you'll get your money over the next 25 years. 519 00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:42,993 Every state did it, okay. 520 00:22:42,995 --> 00:22:45,863 But, in that decision in 72 hours they had to 521 00:22:45,865 --> 00:22:48,866 sign off that they would not let anybody in their state 522 00:22:48,868 --> 00:22:50,835 sue big tobacco. 523 00:22:50,837 --> 00:22:55,473 That was in 1999, and the MSA became the first bailout. 524 00:22:55,475 --> 00:22:57,141 Yeah, we need it for the kids. 525 00:22:57,143 --> 00:22:58,308 We need it for the children. 526 00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:59,410 We need it for prevention. 527 00:22:59,412 --> 00:23:00,112 Education. 528 00:23:00,212 --> 00:23:01,078 Intervention. 529 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:01,846 Cessation. 530 00:23:01,848 --> 00:23:03,180 We need all the ta ta. 531 00:23:03,182 --> 00:23:05,262 Like you, the nation's Attorney's General have been 532 00:23:05,286 --> 00:23:07,151 fighting to help reverse the staggering toll 533 00:23:07,153 --> 00:23:10,154 tobacco takes on our society. 534 00:23:10,156 --> 00:23:14,191 And to protect our children from a lifetime of addiction. 535 00:23:14,193 --> 00:23:16,927 This plan, in short, will get big tobacco 536 00:23:16,929 --> 00:23:19,196 off the backs of our kids. 537 00:23:27,038 --> 00:23:28,539 They got the money. 538 00:23:28,541 --> 00:23:30,107 They signed on. 539 00:23:30,109 --> 00:23:32,510 And then within two years that money's gone. 540 00:23:32,512 --> 00:23:34,793 They either put it in bonds, where they can't pay it back. 541 00:23:34,817 --> 00:23:37,748 They used it for road repair, waterfront restoration. 542 00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:40,951 They used it for health department's new computers, 543 00:23:40,953 --> 00:23:43,821 the states are not using the money that they said 544 00:23:43,823 --> 00:23:45,623 they needed, and the tobacco companies are now 545 00:23:45,647 --> 00:23:47,124 giving all this money to the states. 546 00:23:47,126 --> 00:23:50,261 And then nobody knew that within 48 hours after they 547 00:23:50,263 --> 00:23:52,229 gave up 246 billion dollars 548 00:23:52,231 --> 00:23:54,098 they raised the price of cigarettes 48 cents 549 00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:57,201 across the board, to make up the 246. 550 00:23:57,203 --> 00:23:59,243 Nobody cares about it, nobody wants to talk about it 551 00:23:59,267 --> 00:24:01,038 because it's not scandalous enough. 552 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,108 The tobacco industry has conceded defeat. 553 00:24:04,110 --> 00:24:08,045 And we have a settlement of historic proportions. 554 00:24:19,324 --> 00:24:20,624 What did New Jersey do? 555 00:24:20,626 --> 00:24:22,793 They sold all their money in a bond. 556 00:24:22,795 --> 00:24:24,762 Now it's due to be paid back 557 00:24:24,764 --> 00:24:27,431 and New Jersey doesn't have the money to pay it back. 558 00:24:27,433 --> 00:24:29,400 There's eight states that had done that. 559 00:24:29,402 --> 00:24:31,635 The other states wasted the money on everything 560 00:24:31,637 --> 00:24:34,438 but prevention, education, cessation. 561 00:24:46,351 --> 00:24:48,686 So there is more corruption, there's more government 562 00:24:48,688 --> 00:24:51,422 intervention for keeping tobacco alive 563 00:24:51,424 --> 00:24:54,158 and keeping the big tobacco monopolies 564 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,093 raising half a trillion dollars a year. 565 00:24:56,095 --> 00:24:58,262 Half a trillion, if not more. 566 00:24:58,264 --> 00:25:00,030 That's what they admit to. 567 00:25:10,142 --> 00:25:12,109 By the time of the Minnesota Court case 568 00:25:12,111 --> 00:25:15,546 in 1998, the state of Minnesota didn't only seek 569 00:25:15,548 --> 00:25:17,681 redress in financial terms, 570 00:25:17,683 --> 00:25:20,117 but required that the tobacco industry 571 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,520 place all of their previously secret documents 572 00:25:22,522 --> 00:25:24,154 in the public domain. 573 00:25:24,156 --> 00:25:26,357 And from then on, we knew the road map of the industry 574 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,792 and what it had been since the '60s. 575 00:25:28,794 --> 00:25:31,729 So it was only in retrospect that we actually understood 576 00:25:31,731 --> 00:25:34,565 just how deep and pervasive the influence had been 577 00:25:34,567 --> 00:25:36,734 at the government level, at the research level, 578 00:25:36,736 --> 00:25:41,705 And at the individual ministry area level. 579 00:25:41,707 --> 00:25:45,242 As tobacco rates start falling to maybe 20% 580 00:25:45,244 --> 00:25:48,646 or below 20%, you're getting into a hardcore group 581 00:25:48,648 --> 00:25:51,982 of smokers who are not smoking out of pure trice 582 00:25:51,984 --> 00:25:54,018 but they're smoking because they are addicted 583 00:25:54,020 --> 00:25:59,023 and they have a physical need for nicotine in their lives. 584 00:25:59,025 --> 00:26:01,825 I started smoking cigarettes at 12. 585 00:26:01,827 --> 00:26:05,262 And, really if I think about it, my daughter's 586 00:26:05,264 --> 00:26:08,098 not too far from 12. 587 00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:11,735 And thinking of her smoking a cigarette is 588 00:26:11,737 --> 00:26:15,039 really just sickening. 589 00:26:15,041 --> 00:26:17,207 The first time I ever smoked a cigarette a few of my 590 00:26:17,209 --> 00:26:19,543 friends had come over to spend the night. 591 00:26:19,545 --> 00:26:21,912 And one of the older ones had brought a pack 592 00:26:21,914 --> 00:26:25,249 of cigarettes from her dad's carton. 593 00:26:25,251 --> 00:26:29,253 We proceeded to go to the tree house across the street 594 00:26:29,255 --> 00:26:35,859 and we smoked the entire pack of cigarettes. 595 00:26:35,861 --> 00:26:38,796 I remember it made me sick. 596 00:26:38,798 --> 00:26:42,766 It made me dizzy, but more importantly 597 00:26:42,768 --> 00:26:45,402 I remember from that moment forward 598 00:26:45,404 --> 00:26:49,039 wanting to smoke cigarettes. 599 00:26:49,041 --> 00:26:52,743 So, at 12, I mean you can't really go out 600 00:26:52,745 --> 00:26:55,279 and buy a pack of smokes. 601 00:26:55,281 --> 00:26:58,415 So I would basically do what I could. 602 00:26:58,417 --> 00:27:01,251 I would take the 603 00:27:01,253 --> 00:27:03,387 burning cigarettes from the ash tray 604 00:27:03,389 --> 00:27:05,289 when my mother wasn't looking. 605 00:27:05,291 --> 00:27:08,392 Or, take cigarettes 606 00:27:08,394 --> 00:27:10,294 out of her pack. 607 00:27:10,296 --> 00:27:14,398 Or, even worse, I would take the butts 608 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,435 out of the ash tray, which is really disgusting. 609 00:27:20,673 --> 00:27:21,939 It was not easy. 610 00:27:21,941 --> 00:27:24,942 I probably quit seven, eight, nine times. 611 00:27:24,944 --> 00:27:26,844 And I come back hating myself. 612 00:27:26,846 --> 00:27:29,747 My son looked at me, and he looked so disappointed. 613 00:27:29,749 --> 00:27:30,981 He knew I was smoking. 614 00:27:30,983 --> 00:27:32,783 He knew that I had just failed miserably. 615 00:27:32,785 --> 00:27:34,618 But when the mindset says I need to quit, 616 00:27:34,620 --> 00:27:37,187 I want to quit, I have to quit, I'm going to quit. 617 00:27:37,189 --> 00:27:39,229 And then you try and you fail, you try and you fail, 618 00:27:39,231 --> 00:27:40,951 You try and you fail, you try and you fail. 619 00:27:40,975 --> 00:27:42,926 After awhile you say, screw it, I'm done. 620 00:27:42,928 --> 00:27:44,595 I'll go to my grave smoking. 621 00:27:44,597 --> 00:27:47,331 And those are the people that are facing 622 00:27:47,333 --> 00:27:48,999 almost all the risks. 623 00:27:49,001 --> 00:27:50,841 Those are the people that are gonna account for 624 00:27:50,865 --> 00:27:52,536 99% of the lung cancers, 625 00:27:52,538 --> 00:27:54,471 Chronic obstructive pulmonary diseases 626 00:27:54,473 --> 00:27:56,974 and heart diseases caused by smoking. 627 00:27:56,976 --> 00:27:58,776 We always need a disruption 628 00:27:58,778 --> 00:28:01,679 to actually shift the market and the market forces. 629 00:28:01,681 --> 00:28:04,348 And I believe that Hon Lik's work as the inventor 630 00:28:04,350 --> 00:28:06,817 of an e-cigarette really represents 631 00:28:06,819 --> 00:28:09,853 this disruptive change. 632 00:30:13,945 --> 00:30:16,246 Just a brilliant, brilliant, brilliant 633 00:30:16,248 --> 00:30:18,916 moment in time which lots of things came together 634 00:30:18,918 --> 00:30:22,619 and Hon Lik took it and actually made it a reality. 635 00:30:45,376 --> 00:30:48,612 Hon Lik came up with this brilliant invention 636 00:30:48,614 --> 00:30:51,548 and that's the mark of a true innovator, okay. 637 00:30:51,550 --> 00:30:55,185 Somebody that can paradigmly can shift things into 638 00:30:55,187 --> 00:30:58,222 a whole new way of doing things. 639 00:31:14,806 --> 00:31:18,275 It was in 2005. Originally, I wasn't that excited 640 00:31:18,277 --> 00:31:20,644 when I saw just the manual reading about it 641 00:31:20,646 --> 00:31:22,212 because I'm not a smoker. 642 00:31:22,214 --> 00:31:24,348 When I actually saw the product 643 00:31:24,350 --> 00:31:25,983 with the vapor coming out 644 00:31:25,985 --> 00:31:27,985 I knew there was something there. 645 00:31:27,987 --> 00:31:29,627 So then we worked on it for about a year. 646 00:31:29,651 --> 00:31:31,889 And so I officially formed Siterra 647 00:31:31,891 --> 00:31:34,992 in September of 2006 and we launched it. 648 00:31:34,994 --> 00:31:37,694 Really our big breakthrough was the CES show 649 00:31:37,696 --> 00:31:39,363 January of 2008. 650 00:31:39,365 --> 00:31:41,732 I'm here at CES 651 00:31:41,734 --> 00:31:44,902 and, I'm mostly interested in gadgets and things. 652 00:31:44,904 --> 00:31:47,437 But, this caught my eye. 653 00:31:47,439 --> 00:31:50,674 This guy is here, and he is not smoking next to me. 654 00:31:50,676 --> 00:31:52,542 Because there is no smoking on the show floor 655 00:31:52,544 --> 00:31:53,543 but he's not smoking. 656 00:31:53,545 --> 00:31:55,512 What is, what exactly is in NJOY? 657 00:31:55,514 --> 00:31:57,681 NJOY is an electronic cigarette. 658 00:31:57,683 --> 00:32:01,418 And the way that we do this, is we take a battery. 659 00:32:01,420 --> 00:32:04,554 From the battery we have a patented vaporization system. 660 00:32:04,556 --> 00:32:06,757 So what you're seeing coming from the device 661 00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:07,858 is not smoke. 662 00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:09,459 It's vapor. 663 00:32:09,461 --> 00:32:13,463 It became the hit of the show and became written up 664 00:32:13,465 --> 00:32:16,633 in a bunch of magazines, and even online. 665 00:32:16,635 --> 00:32:18,969 It's a huge memory void as to where I got 666 00:32:18,971 --> 00:32:20,704 my first e-cigarette. 667 00:32:20,706 --> 00:32:23,206 All I know is that I had in 2007 668 00:32:23,208 --> 00:32:24,474 two or three e-cigs. 669 00:32:24,476 --> 00:32:26,410 One from China, one from America, one from 670 00:32:26,412 --> 00:32:28,545 somewhere in Europe. 671 00:32:28,547 --> 00:32:31,081 And I'm playing with them, that's all I remember. 672 00:32:31,083 --> 00:32:34,618 And they're wonderful things, like absolutely amazing. 673 00:32:34,620 --> 00:32:36,253 But they're also really bad. 674 00:32:36,255 --> 00:32:39,790 I mean, they are, what they are, a proof of concept. 675 00:32:39,792 --> 00:32:43,560 And I'm struck by the potential here. 676 00:32:43,562 --> 00:32:45,929 Thinking, oh my God, this will be the product 677 00:32:45,931 --> 00:32:48,932 that can transform smokers lives. 678 00:32:48,934 --> 00:32:52,669 But, this ain't gonna do it. 679 00:32:52,671 --> 00:32:55,091 And then I thought, well, my God, there must be other people 680 00:32:55,115 --> 00:32:56,673 saying the same thing as me, thinking 681 00:32:56,675 --> 00:32:58,443 close, very, very close. 682 00:33:00,245 --> 00:33:02,112 And so, you know, where do you go? 683 00:33:02,114 --> 00:33:03,580 You look on the web. 684 00:33:03,582 --> 00:33:05,515 And, nothing. Nothing. 685 00:33:05,517 --> 00:33:08,585 A few dodgy commercials, if you kind of, you know 686 00:33:08,587 --> 00:33:12,322 iStock photo images of people. 687 00:33:12,324 --> 00:33:14,291 I thought, God, we need a conversation. 688 00:33:14,293 --> 00:33:15,859 We need to start a conversation. 689 00:33:15,861 --> 00:33:18,795 And what a better way to do that than the most 690 00:33:18,797 --> 00:33:21,631 antiquated form of internet communications, 691 00:33:21,633 --> 00:33:24,034 A forum, that's what we need, a forum. 692 00:33:24,036 --> 00:33:28,839 So I set it up one night in, I think, December 2007. 693 00:33:28,841 --> 00:33:30,640 And, 694 00:33:30,642 --> 00:33:32,809 not much happened. 695 00:33:32,811 --> 00:33:34,978 So, I went up, as you do 696 00:33:34,980 --> 00:33:36,780 around the internet, and said hey guys 697 00:33:36,782 --> 00:33:38,662 if you want to talk about it come to my website. 698 00:33:38,686 --> 00:33:39,883 And people came. 699 00:33:39,885 --> 00:33:41,384 And we started a conversation about 700 00:33:41,386 --> 00:33:42,352 what are these products? 701 00:33:42,354 --> 00:33:43,954 Where do they come from, who sells them, 702 00:33:43,978 --> 00:33:45,155 how much do they cost? 703 00:33:45,157 --> 00:33:46,723 But principally 704 00:33:46,725 --> 00:33:47,965 these things got to get better. 705 00:33:47,989 --> 00:33:50,160 How are they gonna get better? You know? What's the... 706 00:33:50,162 --> 00:33:51,962 And we got very anal about it. 707 00:33:51,964 --> 00:33:53,630 So we were taking photographs of 708 00:33:53,632 --> 00:33:55,198 tiny little pieces of metal 709 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,969 and connections and screws, and things like this. 710 00:33:58,971 --> 00:34:02,172 I think that I had seen a news story on 711 00:34:02,174 --> 00:34:04,875 CNN, or something, about this new gadget called 712 00:34:04,877 --> 00:34:06,843 an electronic cigarette. 713 00:34:06,845 --> 00:34:08,345 And I was a heavy smoker. 714 00:34:08,347 --> 00:34:11,148 So, you know, I had a love of electronics 715 00:34:11,150 --> 00:34:12,983 and gadgets, and I smoked 716 00:34:12,985 --> 00:34:14,751 about two and a half packs a day. 717 00:34:14,753 --> 00:34:16,653 So I thought, well, whatever this thing is 718 00:34:16,655 --> 00:34:17,854 it must be for me. 719 00:34:17,856 --> 00:34:20,757 So, I went online and 720 00:34:20,759 --> 00:34:22,059 I found one 721 00:34:22,061 --> 00:34:24,361 and back in those days, you know, 2007, 722 00:34:24,363 --> 00:34:26,063 all you could buy was these big 723 00:34:26,065 --> 00:34:28,732 bulky pen style e-cigs. 724 00:34:28,734 --> 00:34:30,667 And I bought one, not thinking much about it. 725 00:34:30,669 --> 00:34:32,602 And it showed up one day 726 00:34:32,604 --> 00:34:34,371 and I put it together 727 00:34:34,373 --> 00:34:37,841 and, not really thinking it would be too impressive 728 00:34:37,843 --> 00:34:39,943 but I took a drag, and I was stunned 729 00:34:39,945 --> 00:34:41,778 I was absolutely stunned. 730 00:34:41,780 --> 00:34:45,082 It was, I couldn't believe at 731 00:34:45,084 --> 00:34:48,385 how closely it mimicked the sensation of smoking. 732 00:34:48,387 --> 00:34:52,089 And I remember later that day, four hours had gone by 733 00:34:52,091 --> 00:34:54,091 and it occurred to me that I had forgotten 734 00:34:54,093 --> 00:34:55,192 to have a cigarette. 735 00:34:55,194 --> 00:34:56,860 I was just amazed by this 736 00:34:56,862 --> 00:34:59,796 way more than I thought I would be. 737 00:34:59,798 --> 00:35:01,698 But there was one thing I was not amazed by 738 00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:03,066 and that was by the taste. 739 00:35:03,068 --> 00:35:04,868 It tasted awful. 740 00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:06,790 You really didn't know, in those days, you didn't 741 00:35:06,814 --> 00:35:08,872 know where the liquid was coming from. 742 00:35:08,874 --> 00:35:10,394 You didn't know how it was being made. 743 00:35:10,418 --> 00:35:11,908 You didn't know what was in it. 744 00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:13,877 In those days, you might be lucky if 745 00:35:13,879 --> 00:35:16,146 you'd get a little plastic bottle 746 00:35:16,148 --> 00:35:18,782 with some liquid in it that said, 747 00:35:18,784 --> 00:35:20,717 "vanilla" or whatever. 748 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:21,985 And that was it. 749 00:35:21,987 --> 00:35:24,421 There were no companies in the United States. 750 00:35:24,423 --> 00:35:26,823 Everything was being made overseas at the time. 751 00:35:26,825 --> 00:35:28,725 And I was really surprised by that. 752 00:35:28,727 --> 00:35:31,394 So, at that point, it wasn't about starting 753 00:35:31,396 --> 00:35:32,929 a company for me. 754 00:35:32,931 --> 00:35:36,800 It was about creating a liquid that I wanted to vape. 755 00:35:36,802 --> 00:35:38,168 That's all it was. 756 00:35:38,170 --> 00:35:41,605 So, I started just 757 00:35:41,607 --> 00:35:45,742 trial and error, a lot of trial and error. 758 00:35:45,744 --> 00:35:47,744 I went out and bought all the tobacco I could. 759 00:35:47,746 --> 00:35:51,515 I bought cigarette tobacco, pipe tobacco, cigar tobacco. 760 00:35:51,517 --> 00:35:54,851 And just created this giant tobacco mixture. 761 00:35:54,853 --> 00:35:57,854 And what I decided to do was 762 00:35:57,856 --> 00:36:00,290 I went and got five coffeemakers 763 00:36:00,292 --> 00:36:03,527 and I lined them up on my kitchen counter. 764 00:36:03,529 --> 00:36:06,763 And, I brewed, essentially tobacco water. 765 00:36:06,765 --> 00:36:09,332 And I would use that water as the water to 766 00:36:09,334 --> 00:36:10,834 filter it all over again. 767 00:36:10,836 --> 00:36:14,171 By the time I was done, I had a essentially 768 00:36:14,173 --> 00:36:16,773 a highly concentrated tobacco reduction. 769 00:36:16,775 --> 00:36:20,810 And this, this was the primary flavoring. 770 00:36:20,812 --> 00:36:23,680 I went onto the ECF 771 00:36:23,682 --> 00:36:27,184 and I asked if anyone wanted to try 772 00:36:27,186 --> 00:36:30,520 my new smoke juice, that I was calling it by then. 773 00:36:30,522 --> 00:36:33,123 And, you know, if you want a free sample, let me know 774 00:36:33,125 --> 00:36:34,791 and I'll send it to you. 775 00:36:34,793 --> 00:36:38,662 And kind of figured maybe, 12, 13 people would reply. 776 00:36:38,664 --> 00:36:40,897 And I had over 300 replies. 777 00:36:40,899 --> 00:36:42,165 And it took about two weeks 778 00:36:42,167 --> 00:36:44,000 and I got every single request out. 779 00:36:44,002 --> 00:36:45,902 And then the waiting began. 780 00:36:45,904 --> 00:36:48,705 And it was the longest week of my life. 781 00:36:48,707 --> 00:36:52,876 And so I'll never forget about six days later 782 00:36:52,878 --> 00:36:53,877 I got an email 783 00:36:53,879 --> 00:36:56,746 from someone who I knew was sampling it. 784 00:36:56,748 --> 00:37:00,350 And, and I remember I had to pull over 785 00:37:00,352 --> 00:37:02,352 before reading the email because I figured, okay, 786 00:37:02,354 --> 00:37:04,821 well it's all gonna come down to this. 787 00:37:04,823 --> 00:37:07,891 Either they hate it, or they love it. 788 00:37:07,893 --> 00:37:11,027 And, so I pulled over 789 00:37:11,029 --> 00:37:14,764 I looked at the email and it said: 790 00:37:14,766 --> 00:37:16,566 You have to tell me how I can buy this. 791 00:37:16,568 --> 00:37:19,002 And, I thought, okay well 792 00:37:19,004 --> 00:37:20,837 maybe we have something then. 793 00:37:20,839 --> 00:37:23,940 It was around 2010 and I saw a friend. 794 00:37:23,942 --> 00:37:26,876 He had a cigar, like, 795 00:37:26,878 --> 00:37:29,512 you know, e-cig. 796 00:37:29,514 --> 00:37:32,182 I asked him about it and thought: Oh, that's cool. 797 00:37:32,184 --> 00:37:34,417 A few months later I did some research 798 00:37:34,419 --> 00:37:38,054 and I got online and I found there was a company in the UK 799 00:37:38,056 --> 00:37:41,358 that was selling better devices than what my friend had had 800 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,193 and I bought one. 801 00:37:43,195 --> 00:37:46,296 And the day that e-cig arrived 802 00:37:46,298 --> 00:37:50,066 was it was a life changer. 803 00:37:50,068 --> 00:37:52,736 Literally, as soon as I started using it 804 00:37:52,738 --> 00:37:55,071 I never had another cigarette. 805 00:37:55,073 --> 00:37:56,953 I lost it one night when I was out with friends. 806 00:37:56,977 --> 00:38:00,243 And in the morning, I couldn't find it, and it was gone. 807 00:38:00,245 --> 00:38:02,379 And they're all quite expensive back then and 808 00:38:02,381 --> 00:38:04,881 you had to order them from overseas 809 00:38:04,883 --> 00:38:06,916 and I couldn't afford to replace it immediately, 810 00:38:06,918 --> 00:38:09,486 and I couldn't have even if I wanted to, there were no shops. 811 00:38:09,488 --> 00:38:11,988 There was nowhere to buy them in Australia at the time. 812 00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:13,490 So I went back to smokes. 813 00:38:13,492 --> 00:38:16,092 My sister died at 814 00:38:16,094 --> 00:38:17,560 34 years old 815 00:38:17,562 --> 00:38:20,063 from non-Hodgkin's lymphoma 816 00:38:20,065 --> 00:38:21,898 in her lungs. 817 00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:24,567 And, there's no question that it was the smoking 818 00:38:24,569 --> 00:38:26,102 that did it to her. 819 00:38:26,104 --> 00:38:28,638 And, I've been trying to quit for years 820 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,440 and this had been the thing, the game changer, 821 00:38:30,464 --> 00:38:31,908 That changed everything for me. 822 00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:34,978 Not being able to buy it locally just seemed insane. 823 00:38:34,980 --> 00:38:38,281 So I started a business and it was great. 824 00:38:38,283 --> 00:38:40,517 It was almost word of mouth at the beginning it was 825 00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:42,319 just an online store. 826 00:38:42,321 --> 00:38:44,587 But it started to get some traction 827 00:38:44,589 --> 00:38:47,557 the hobbyist side of things that you see today 828 00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:49,492 really started very, very early on 829 00:38:49,494 --> 00:38:51,661 with this kind of real obsession 830 00:38:51,663 --> 00:38:53,963 with precisely what these devices are. 831 00:38:53,965 --> 00:38:57,133 And what made two devices different. 832 00:38:57,135 --> 00:39:01,037 And that's really how it all started. 833 00:39:10,948 --> 00:39:13,650 As we've seen in so many other areas of technology, 834 00:39:13,652 --> 00:39:16,152 Suddenly the cozy way in which public policy 835 00:39:16,154 --> 00:39:19,956 has driven tobacco was challenged by something new. 836 00:39:27,298 --> 00:39:30,734 I don't think that people either on the public health side 837 00:39:30,736 --> 00:39:35,171 or the tobacco side, expected how consumers would respond. 838 00:39:35,173 --> 00:39:37,173 'Cause it seems that the formulation of the early 839 00:39:37,175 --> 00:39:40,877 e-cigarettes met a need of a smoker to have what they 840 00:39:40,879 --> 00:39:43,980 really what many of them wanted, 70, 80% want. 841 00:39:43,982 --> 00:39:47,684 To get nicotine's pleasures without getting the damaging effects. 842 00:39:47,686 --> 00:39:49,586 Have we got a solution for you. 843 00:39:49,588 --> 00:39:53,990 The all-exclusive smoking everywhere electronic cigarette. 844 00:39:53,992 --> 00:39:56,559 Are you ready for a change? 845 00:39:56,561 --> 00:40:00,163 In 2009 and 2010, US customs agents 846 00:40:00,165 --> 00:40:02,832 seized almost 1,000 shipments of e-cigarettes 847 00:40:02,834 --> 00:40:04,000 at US ports. 848 00:40:13,043 --> 00:40:15,345 They made a determination that it was 849 00:40:15,347 --> 00:40:17,947 a drug delivery device. 850 00:40:17,949 --> 00:40:21,017 That since it was battery operated 851 00:40:21,019 --> 00:40:22,085 that it was a device. 852 00:40:22,087 --> 00:40:25,121 And therefore under their FDA drug delivery 853 00:40:25,123 --> 00:40:26,523 there wasn't FDA approval for it, 854 00:40:26,525 --> 00:40:28,858 that they could seize the product. 855 00:40:28,860 --> 00:40:30,627 And they seized, I think probably about 856 00:40:30,629 --> 00:40:32,362 half a million dollars worth of product. 857 00:40:32,364 --> 00:40:34,864 And the product, when they got it back, was worthless. 858 00:40:34,866 --> 00:40:38,034 Two e-cigarette companies, smoking everywhere and NJOY, sued the FDA 859 00:40:38,036 --> 00:40:39,302 in 2009. 860 00:40:39,304 --> 00:40:41,604 We were reasonably pessimistic at the time 861 00:40:41,606 --> 00:40:44,140 and of course, we had nowhere near the numbers 862 00:40:44,142 --> 00:40:45,608 of people using the products. 863 00:40:45,610 --> 00:40:47,309 This was an industry that needed all the 864 00:40:47,311 --> 00:40:48,077 help it could get. 865 00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:50,246 One of our moderators was actually day to day 866 00:40:50,248 --> 00:40:52,081 checking the court documents 867 00:40:52,083 --> 00:40:54,003 and finding out whether there had been an update. 868 00:40:54,027 --> 00:40:55,485 We were on tenterhooks. 869 00:40:55,487 --> 00:40:58,588 I mean, I talk about the ECF would only last two years, 870 00:40:58,590 --> 00:41:00,430 but right then, we were thinking everything was 871 00:41:00,454 --> 00:41:01,658 gonna just disappear. 872 00:41:01,660 --> 00:41:04,561 There was absolutely no certainty whatsoever 873 00:41:04,563 --> 00:41:06,563 that the judgment was gonna come back 874 00:41:06,565 --> 00:41:09,065 against what the FDA was doing at the time. 875 00:41:09,067 --> 00:41:11,901 There as definitely a prevailing sense that 876 00:41:11,903 --> 00:41:15,271 if the ruling came down in favor of the FDA 877 00:41:15,273 --> 00:41:17,907 it likely would have meant the end of the industry 878 00:41:17,909 --> 00:41:20,610 before it really had had a chance to get off the ground. 879 00:41:20,612 --> 00:41:23,913 I filed an amicus brief with the do court of appeals 880 00:41:23,915 --> 00:41:27,116 in 2010 in support of their case. 881 00:41:27,118 --> 00:41:29,319 And we won. 882 00:41:29,321 --> 00:41:31,421 The US District Court for the District of Columbia 883 00:41:31,423 --> 00:41:33,690 has issued a decision granting leading global 884 00:41:33,692 --> 00:41:36,993 electronic cigarette brand NJOY's motion 885 00:41:36,995 --> 00:41:39,362 for preliminary injunction seeking to prevent 886 00:41:39,364 --> 00:41:42,599 the FDA from detaining, or refusing admission 887 00:41:42,601 --> 00:41:45,768 into the US of its electronic cigarette products. 888 00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:49,305 We had the hearing in September of 2010. 889 00:41:49,307 --> 00:41:52,108 And actually on Pearl Harbor Day, December 7th, voted 890 00:41:52,110 --> 00:41:53,443 three-nothing in our favor. 891 00:41:53,445 --> 00:41:55,178 The FDA tried to appeal again. 892 00:41:55,180 --> 00:41:56,779 They turned them down. 893 00:41:56,781 --> 00:41:58,448 They announced they weren't gonna appeal 894 00:41:58,450 --> 00:42:00,016 to the Supreme Court. 895 00:42:00,018 --> 00:42:01,818 There's a lot of celebrating going on. 896 00:42:01,820 --> 00:42:03,486 NJOY's a hero in this industry. 897 00:42:03,488 --> 00:42:06,456 For having carried that case to its final conclusion 898 00:42:06,458 --> 00:42:07,790 they really are. 899 00:42:07,792 --> 00:42:10,326 Because without that, I don't think anybody else 900 00:42:10,328 --> 00:42:11,961 could have stepped up to the plate. 901 00:42:11,963 --> 00:42:14,130 I remember thinking that 902 00:42:14,132 --> 00:42:16,499 this is the start of the industry. 903 00:42:16,501 --> 00:42:18,101 There's a new warning this morning that 904 00:42:18,125 --> 00:42:21,070 e-cigarettes may not be as safe as they seem. 905 00:42:21,072 --> 00:42:23,239 The New England journal of medicine says e-cigarette 906 00:42:23,241 --> 00:42:26,643 users are five to 15 times more likely 907 00:42:26,645 --> 00:42:29,245 to get formaldehyde related cancers 908 00:42:29,247 --> 00:42:30,847 than long-term smokers. 909 00:42:30,849 --> 00:42:34,717 Formaldehyde is the toxic chemical found in the devices. 910 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,519 This is the part in our journey where people 911 00:42:36,543 --> 00:42:39,322 are actually using these devices reached out to us. 912 00:42:39,324 --> 00:42:41,524 They felt like it had to save their lives, 913 00:42:41,526 --> 00:42:43,192 yet it was under attack. 914 00:42:43,194 --> 00:42:44,827 At first, we were skeptical. 915 00:42:44,829 --> 00:42:46,709 Just like everyone else, we'd seen the headlines 916 00:42:46,711 --> 00:42:48,591 that vaping might be more dangerous than smoking 917 00:42:48,615 --> 00:42:49,599 cigarettes. 918 00:42:49,601 --> 00:42:51,267 This is a dangerous product. 919 00:42:51,269 --> 00:42:54,370 It is a poisonous product of nicotine. 920 00:42:54,372 --> 00:42:56,573 New studies show that e-cigarettes are more deadly 921 00:42:56,575 --> 00:42:58,107 than regular cigarettes? 922 00:42:58,109 --> 00:42:59,776 These really have me concerned. 923 00:42:59,778 --> 00:43:03,246 These products are exposing you to a variety 924 00:43:03,248 --> 00:43:04,547 of toxic chemicals. 925 00:43:04,549 --> 00:43:06,249 Understanding that over a billion people 926 00:43:06,251 --> 00:43:08,217 are gonna die this century from smoking 927 00:43:08,219 --> 00:43:10,219 we knew we had to find the truth. 928 00:43:10,221 --> 00:43:12,388 Because I'm not a smoker, or a vaper, 929 00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:14,257 we packed our bags and headed around the world 930 00:43:14,259 --> 00:43:17,193 to meet with leading scientists and health experts 931 00:43:17,195 --> 00:43:19,596 to find out what was really going on. 932 00:43:22,533 --> 00:43:24,801 I think the first thing the world needs to know 933 00:43:24,803 --> 00:43:28,071 about vaping is that all of the harm 934 00:43:28,073 --> 00:43:30,573 and the billion lives that we're talking about 935 00:43:30,575 --> 00:43:33,443 and in tobacco use, comes from smoking, 936 00:43:33,445 --> 00:43:35,311 Comes from setting fire to it 937 00:43:35,313 --> 00:43:36,546 and inhaling the smoke. 938 00:43:36,548 --> 00:43:40,316 So it's the toxic particles, the toxic gases. 939 00:43:40,318 --> 00:43:42,251 That's what's doing the damage. 940 00:43:42,253 --> 00:43:45,321 The real problem is if you set tobacco a light 941 00:43:45,323 --> 00:43:47,256 and you inhale it, 942 00:43:47,258 --> 00:43:49,125 It's bad for you. 943 00:43:49,127 --> 00:43:51,828 If you put a piece of beef in the oven 944 00:43:51,830 --> 00:43:53,429 and you overcook it 945 00:43:53,431 --> 00:43:55,298 and you eat it, it's bad for you. 946 00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:58,101 Anything you set to light and inhale or ingest 947 00:43:58,103 --> 00:43:59,569 is bad for you. 948 00:43:59,571 --> 00:44:01,938 If you weren't to smoke, you've solved the problem. 949 00:44:01,940 --> 00:44:03,673 We know how to deal with the smoke. 950 00:44:03,675 --> 00:44:06,075 So, I think people working on this 951 00:44:06,077 --> 00:44:08,344 every morning, just like Clinton when he first ran 952 00:44:08,346 --> 00:44:09,979 for president had that sign saying, 953 00:44:09,981 --> 00:44:11,514 "it's the economy stupid." 954 00:44:11,516 --> 00:44:14,117 To remind him every day what to concentrate on. 955 00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:15,818 It's really simple. 956 00:44:15,820 --> 00:44:19,756 It's the smoke stupid. 957 00:44:19,758 --> 00:44:22,859 A normal cigarette has at least 4,000 toxicants. 958 00:44:22,861 --> 00:44:25,695 Including... it has nicotine, as well. 959 00:44:25,697 --> 00:44:29,032 And if a consumer would take all of that on board 960 00:44:29,034 --> 00:44:31,300 they are... one out of two of those consumers 961 00:44:31,302 --> 00:44:34,704 will develop disease and die an early death. 962 00:44:34,706 --> 00:44:36,272 Solid evidence to back that up. 963 00:44:36,274 --> 00:44:39,442 If somebody would have said: "Bill, can you think of a" 964 00:44:39,444 --> 00:44:43,312 "parameters of a product to replace cigarettes." 965 00:44:43,314 --> 00:44:45,194 Theoretically I've had said: "Well, it would be" 966 00:44:45,218 --> 00:44:46,983 "99% less hazardous than cigarettes." 967 00:44:46,985 --> 00:44:49,452 "It wouldn't be addicting non-smokers." 968 00:44:49,454 --> 00:44:52,555 "It wouldn't encourage anybody to switch to cigarettes." 969 00:44:52,557 --> 00:44:55,625 "And it would help lots of people quit smoking." 970 00:44:55,627 --> 00:45:00,196 That's the ideal solution to the cigarette epidemic 971 00:45:00,198 --> 00:45:02,465 in this world. 972 00:45:02,467 --> 00:45:04,534 And it's called vaping. 973 00:45:04,536 --> 00:45:06,069 It's not smoking. 974 00:45:06,071 --> 00:45:07,203 There's no tobacco. 975 00:45:07,205 --> 00:45:08,838 Nothing is lit on fire. 976 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,807 Vaping uses a battery, 977 00:45:10,809 --> 00:45:13,042 which powers an atomizer, 978 00:45:13,044 --> 00:45:14,544 which vaporizes a liquid. 979 00:45:14,546 --> 00:45:16,679 Which may, or may not, have nicotine in it, 980 00:45:16,681 --> 00:45:20,083 has a flavoring, and is made with an FDA approved 981 00:45:20,085 --> 00:45:22,151 food grade liquid base. 982 00:45:22,153 --> 00:45:24,420 Well I first became interested when some of the most 983 00:45:24,422 --> 00:45:27,523 hardened smokers that I saw as a general practitioner 984 00:45:27,525 --> 00:45:29,358 started giving up with the use of these. 985 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,828 That really sort of sparked my fascination 986 00:45:31,830 --> 00:45:34,931 with this whole idea of turning the idea 987 00:45:34,933 --> 00:45:37,366 of quitting on its head instead of being about 988 00:45:37,368 --> 00:45:38,935 denial and withdrawal. 989 00:45:38,937 --> 00:45:40,737 But being about something exciting 990 00:45:40,739 --> 00:45:42,271 and something better than smoking. 991 00:45:42,273 --> 00:45:44,006 It's gonna be one of the biggest 992 00:45:44,008 --> 00:45:46,375 contributions to public health this century. 993 00:45:46,377 --> 00:45:50,246 It's a really transformative technology. 994 00:45:50,248 --> 00:45:52,882 And just think back a hundred or plus years 995 00:45:52,884 --> 00:45:55,618 when the cigarette was first invented, 996 00:45:55,620 --> 00:45:57,453 that was transformative. 997 00:45:57,455 --> 00:45:59,555 It did away with all the other kinds of 998 00:45:59,557 --> 00:46:00,890 tobacco products. 999 00:46:00,892 --> 00:46:03,526 E-cigarettes are gonna be equally transformative. 1000 00:46:03,528 --> 00:46:06,129 It can save a billion lives. 1001 00:46:18,008 --> 00:46:20,409 Anytime someone attacks a promising alternative 1002 00:46:20,411 --> 00:46:21,911 to a massive problem 1003 00:46:21,913 --> 00:46:24,247 and you have to ask, why? 1004 00:46:24,249 --> 00:46:26,048 The answer is money. 1005 00:46:26,050 --> 00:46:27,550 Money! 1006 00:46:27,552 --> 00:46:31,888 And one of the most fascinating alliances in history. 1007 00:46:31,890 --> 00:46:34,457 Well there are lots of forces that play 1008 00:46:34,459 --> 00:46:36,392 pro-vaping, and anti-vaping. 1009 00:46:36,394 --> 00:46:38,661 And it's hugely complex. 1010 00:46:38,663 --> 00:46:41,330 The war on vaping began with the FDA's attack. 1011 00:46:41,332 --> 00:46:43,599 But they weren't the only ones on their side. 1012 00:46:43,601 --> 00:46:45,935 To fully understand this alliance that formed, 1013 00:46:45,937 --> 00:46:47,770 we need to go to the American South 1014 00:46:47,772 --> 00:46:50,306 and the theory of the baptists and the bootleggers. 1015 00:46:50,308 --> 00:46:52,308 In many counties, they hold periodic votes 1016 00:46:52,310 --> 00:46:54,510 to decide the fate of alcohol sales. 1017 00:46:54,512 --> 00:46:56,612 An unholy alliance forms between the preachers 1018 00:46:56,614 --> 00:46:59,415 who don't want alcohol being used in their communities 1019 00:46:59,417 --> 00:47:01,450 and the bootleggers are willing to sell alcohol 1020 00:47:01,452 --> 00:47:03,953 when and where it's not legal. 1021 00:47:03,955 --> 00:47:06,522 They're happy to help the preachers restrict alcohol sales 1022 00:47:06,524 --> 00:47:08,958 because that kills their competition. 1023 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,527 It's a classic example of the enemy of my enemy 1024 00:47:11,529 --> 00:47:12,862 is my friend. 1025 00:47:12,864 --> 00:47:14,784 At the end of the day they both drive around town 1026 00:47:14,808 --> 00:47:18,634 with the same bumper stickers. 1027 00:47:18,636 --> 00:47:20,716 Unfortunately, counties that vote to restrict alcohol 1028 00:47:20,740 --> 00:47:23,506 sales have higher rates of drunk driving fatalities. 1029 00:47:23,508 --> 00:47:26,375 We see the same two sides in the vaping wars. 1030 00:47:26,377 --> 00:47:28,544 You have the bootleggers who are opposed to vaping 1031 00:47:28,546 --> 00:47:30,379 for business reasons. 1032 00:47:30,381 --> 00:47:32,982 And you have the preachers who are opposed to vaping 1033 00:47:32,984 --> 00:47:34,483 on moralistic grounds. 1034 00:47:37,988 --> 00:47:39,889 Well let's talk about the bootlegger side. 1035 00:47:39,891 --> 00:47:41,524 Remember big tobacco? 1036 00:47:41,526 --> 00:47:43,492 They don't like competition for their one trillion 1037 00:47:43,494 --> 00:47:44,727 dollar business. 1038 00:47:44,729 --> 00:47:47,163 Analysts say electronic, or e-cigarettes 1039 00:47:47,165 --> 00:47:49,198 will become a two billion dollar industry 1040 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,234 worldwide by the end of the year. 1041 00:47:51,236 --> 00:47:53,502 With some predicting sales will outpace, 1042 00:47:53,504 --> 00:47:56,305 conventional cigarettes within five to 10 years. 1043 00:47:56,307 --> 00:47:58,040 Cigarette companies realize 1044 00:47:58,042 --> 00:48:00,243 that e-cigarettes are now a threat 1045 00:48:00,245 --> 00:48:01,410 to the old business. 1046 00:48:01,412 --> 00:48:02,345 And, are they? 1047 00:48:02,347 --> 00:48:06,282 It's one of the very rare cases where you have 1048 00:48:06,284 --> 00:48:08,551 such controversy about the product. 1049 00:48:08,553 --> 00:48:12,822 And to the point that people don't understand that 1050 00:48:12,824 --> 00:48:16,425 it is the main competitor of tobacco cigarettes today. 1051 00:48:16,427 --> 00:48:20,263 The e-cigarette is the main competitor of tobacco cigarettes. 1052 00:48:37,047 --> 00:48:39,015 Some people have had changes in behavior, 1053 00:48:39,017 --> 00:48:41,217 hostility, agitation, depressed mood, 1054 00:48:41,219 --> 00:48:43,252 and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking 1055 00:48:43,254 --> 00:48:44,787 or after stopping Chantix. 1056 00:48:44,789 --> 00:48:47,189 Some people can have allergic or serious skin reactions 1057 00:48:47,191 --> 00:48:49,358 to Chantix, some of which can be life threatening. 1058 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,227 Patients also reported trouble sleeping 1059 00:48:51,229 --> 00:48:53,596 and vivid, unusual or strange dreams. 1060 00:48:53,598 --> 00:48:55,765 Talk to your doctor to find out if prescription 1061 00:48:55,767 --> 00:48:57,566 Chantix is right for you. 1062 00:48:57,568 --> 00:49:00,102 Drug companies know that doctors hold all 1063 00:49:00,104 --> 00:49:02,571 the real power in the prescription drug business. 1064 00:49:02,573 --> 00:49:04,907 Break the hold of nicotine addiction. 1065 00:49:04,909 --> 00:49:07,743 See your doctor about treatments. 1066 00:49:07,745 --> 00:49:09,612 While they spend nearly four billion dollars 1067 00:49:09,614 --> 00:49:11,580 a year marketing directly to us, 1068 00:49:11,582 --> 00:49:15,651 they spend an estimated 24 billion dollars a year 1069 00:49:15,653 --> 00:49:17,453 marketing directly to doctors. 1070 00:49:17,455 --> 00:49:19,555 Big pharmaceutical companies also lovingly 1071 00:49:19,557 --> 00:49:21,824 known as Big Pharma, want to protect their 1072 00:49:21,826 --> 00:49:25,561 six billion dollar nicotine replacement therapy business. 1073 00:49:25,563 --> 00:49:27,496 Not only are they trying to ban 1074 00:49:27,498 --> 00:49:29,465 all their competitors, 1075 00:49:29,467 --> 00:49:31,400 The smoke-free alternatives, 1076 00:49:31,402 --> 00:49:33,803 But they are trying to promote gums, patches, 1077 00:49:33,805 --> 00:49:35,938 lozenges and any FDA approved drugs 1078 00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:38,007 as the only effective was to quit smoking. 1079 00:49:38,009 --> 00:49:40,943 I'm not a big fan of Nicotrol, Nicaband, 1080 00:49:41,244 --> 00:49:41,978 Habitrol. 1081 00:49:42,612 --> 00:49:44,313 The inhalers. 1082 00:49:44,315 --> 00:49:46,615 Which contain the exact same thing that vaping 1083 00:49:46,617 --> 00:49:47,516 devices have. 1084 00:49:47,518 --> 00:49:48,918 The propylene glycol. 1085 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,320 The only thing it doesn't have is the the flavors. 1086 00:49:51,322 --> 00:49:52,655 Nicotine replacement therapy 1087 00:49:52,657 --> 00:49:56,759 which is not an attractive product at all. 1088 00:49:56,761 --> 00:49:59,795 And it does not deliver the success that it should. 1089 00:49:59,797 --> 00:50:02,298 Okay, I'm gonna cook the purple one. 1090 00:50:02,300 --> 00:50:05,501 He gets the prescription from his doctor. 1091 00:50:05,503 --> 00:50:07,703 It's also found in the over the counter 1092 00:50:07,705 --> 00:50:10,039 anti-smoking drug Zyban. 1093 00:50:10,041 --> 00:50:12,875 But crushed, cooked, and injected 1094 00:50:12,877 --> 00:50:15,611 it delivers a crack cocaine-like high. 1095 00:50:15,613 --> 00:50:17,646 Each hit leaves a scar, 1096 00:50:17,648 --> 00:50:20,182 skin abscesses, collapsed veins, 1097 00:50:20,184 --> 00:50:21,650 and clogged arteries. 1098 00:50:21,652 --> 00:50:24,120 Injuries attributed to injecting Wellbutrin 1099 00:50:24,122 --> 00:50:25,388 and Zyban. 1100 00:50:25,390 --> 00:50:27,490 It's killed six people in Ontario. 1101 00:50:27,492 --> 00:50:29,792 People go out and get prescription for Chantix. 1102 00:50:29,794 --> 00:50:32,194 No, that was fast-tracked through the FDA. 1103 00:50:32,196 --> 00:50:33,896 It has a black box warning on it. 1104 00:50:33,898 --> 00:50:35,865 Could cause you to have suicidal thoughts. 1105 00:50:35,867 --> 00:50:37,500 Could cause you to commit suicide. 1106 00:50:37,502 --> 00:50:40,469 But that's fine, let's just keep selling that crap, you know. 1107 00:50:40,471 --> 00:50:42,505 If you look at the United Kingdom 1108 00:50:42,507 --> 00:50:45,341 and the solid evidence which is being built up by 1109 00:50:45,343 --> 00:50:47,977 Robert Wist, it shows without any doubt 1110 00:50:47,979 --> 00:50:51,414 that e-cigarettes have already supplanted 1111 00:50:51,416 --> 00:50:54,483 nicotine replacement therapy, medicine, 1112 00:50:54,485 --> 00:50:56,919 as the preferred way for smokers to quit 1113 00:50:56,921 --> 00:51:00,156 or to substitute their smoking. 1114 00:51:00,158 --> 00:51:02,525 So if you have a pharmaceutical company 1115 00:51:02,527 --> 00:51:04,827 who's starting to see your share of the market 1116 00:51:04,829 --> 00:51:06,695 on nicotine replacement therapy 1117 00:51:06,697 --> 00:51:09,832 slide relative to these... up and coming 1118 00:51:09,834 --> 00:51:11,767 e-cig people, what are you gonna do? 1119 00:51:11,769 --> 00:51:14,703 You're gonna sit on your bum and do nothing? 1120 00:51:22,512 --> 00:51:24,847 Under the Korean law, electronic cigarettes 1121 00:51:24,849 --> 00:51:26,215 are considered cigarettes. 1122 00:51:26,217 --> 00:51:28,451 Until comprehensive research proves that e-cigarettes 1123 00:51:28,453 --> 00:51:31,887 are harm-free, and contribute to quitting smoking. 1124 00:51:31,889 --> 00:51:34,590 Nicotine patches or chews that are scientifically proven 1125 00:51:34,592 --> 00:51:36,859 to be safe, should be promoted. 1126 00:51:36,861 --> 00:51:39,895 It made sense to find big tobacco and Big Pharma 1127 00:51:39,897 --> 00:51:42,598 in the bootlegger camp, 'cause they sell things. 1128 00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,900 But it was confusing to us when we found national 1129 00:51:44,902 --> 00:51:47,470 governments were right there with them. 1130 00:51:47,472 --> 00:51:49,905 Governments worldwide are the biggest 1131 00:51:49,907 --> 00:51:52,775 shareholders in the revenue of cigarettes. 1132 00:51:52,777 --> 00:51:54,910 Using the United States as an a example, 1133 00:51:54,912 --> 00:51:58,581 in 2010, the year that the FDA went after vaping, 1134 00:51:58,583 --> 00:52:00,783 the Federal Government collected 15 and a half 1135 00:52:00,785 --> 00:52:02,785 billion dollars in tobacco taxes. 1136 00:52:02,787 --> 00:52:05,988 Just three years later, after vaping began to take off, 1137 00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:09,125 tobacco taxes were down to 14 billion dollars. 1138 00:52:09,127 --> 00:52:11,961 That's a difference of one and a half billion dollars. 1139 00:52:11,963 --> 00:52:16,765 The e-cigarette industry should be put out of business. 1140 00:52:16,767 --> 00:52:18,607 The government's getting billions of billions 1141 00:52:18,631 --> 00:52:19,835 of billions of tax revenue. 1142 00:52:19,837 --> 00:52:21,637 But it's not just the taxes. 1143 00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:24,273 Some countries actually own their own tobacco companies. 1144 00:52:24,275 --> 00:52:28,444 The Chinese National Tobacco Corporation 1145 00:52:28,446 --> 00:52:31,747 is the main supplier of cigarettes. 1146 00:52:31,749 --> 00:52:34,850 It's 100% owned by the Chinese government. 1147 00:52:34,852 --> 00:52:37,019 So in effect, the Chinese government 1148 00:52:37,021 --> 00:52:39,822 is the world's largest tobacco company. 1149 00:52:39,824 --> 00:52:42,358 Japan tobacco owns the Camel brand. 1150 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,360 Besides those two, there are 14 other countries 1151 00:52:44,362 --> 00:52:46,996 that own large tobacco companies. 1152 00:52:52,770 --> 00:52:54,770 So who are the preachers? 1153 00:52:54,772 --> 00:52:56,805 Unfortunately, these are the people smokers 1154 00:52:56,807 --> 00:52:58,107 go to for advice. 1155 00:52:58,109 --> 00:52:59,989 Their medical professionals and other healthcare 1156 00:53:00,013 --> 00:53:00,713 organizations. 1157 00:53:00,811 --> 00:53:01,710 Like the CDC, 1158 00:53:01,712 --> 00:53:02,945 FDA, 1159 00:53:02,947 --> 00:53:04,613 And the world health organization. 1160 00:53:04,615 --> 00:53:06,849 The fundamental truth, I think is that 1161 00:53:06,851 --> 00:53:08,884 the battle in the end became very personalized. 1162 00:53:08,886 --> 00:53:11,687 It became public health versus the tobacco industry. 1163 00:53:11,689 --> 00:53:14,156 Tobacco control has had decades of doing 1164 00:53:14,158 --> 00:53:15,357 the same things. 1165 00:53:15,359 --> 00:53:17,860 Just, you know, screwing down the controls 1166 00:53:17,862 --> 00:53:21,197 a bit harder, increasing the taxes a bit more. 1167 00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:22,331 Doing plain packaging. 1168 00:53:22,333 --> 00:53:24,800 None of which I disagree with. 1169 00:53:24,802 --> 00:53:29,138 But, when something comes out of totally out of left field, 1170 00:53:29,140 --> 00:53:31,006 I don't think they know how to deal with it. 1171 00:53:31,008 --> 00:53:33,209 The groups that were kind of in charge of that 1172 00:53:33,211 --> 00:53:37,513 around the world, felt that really they were in the 1173 00:53:37,515 --> 00:53:39,148 final leg, the final push 1174 00:53:39,150 --> 00:53:41,016 would just end this story forever. 1175 00:53:41,018 --> 00:53:43,519 And now we cannot allow e-cigarettes 1176 00:53:43,521 --> 00:53:45,921 to snuff out the progress we've made 1177 00:53:45,923 --> 00:53:49,191 preventing nicotine addiction and its deadly consequences. 1178 00:53:49,193 --> 00:53:52,094 It's shocking to hear, I almost, you know, flinch 1179 00:53:52,096 --> 00:53:55,231 when I hear, colleagues saying things 1180 00:53:55,233 --> 00:53:58,033 about e-cigarettes that we know, or they should know 1181 00:53:58,035 --> 00:54:01,370 are completely wrong, exaggerated, or scare-mongering. 1182 00:54:01,372 --> 00:54:03,272 There's too much of that going on. 1183 00:54:03,274 --> 00:54:05,708 We don't know enough research in terms of 1184 00:54:05,710 --> 00:54:06,775 the long-term risks. 1185 00:54:06,777 --> 00:54:08,611 The jury's out on this one. 1186 00:54:08,613 --> 00:54:10,846 They might, or might not be able to help you quit, 1187 00:54:10,848 --> 00:54:13,882 but there are definite harms that they can cause. 1188 00:54:13,884 --> 00:54:16,418 We don't yet know about vaping. 1189 00:54:16,420 --> 00:54:17,853 It's the same as antifreeze. 1190 00:54:17,855 --> 00:54:19,755 We used to have very dangerous products 1191 00:54:19,757 --> 00:54:21,890 and the makers of those used to lie about those. 1192 00:54:21,892 --> 00:54:24,126 We now have much safer products 1193 00:54:24,128 --> 00:54:26,528 and the public health communities lying about those. 1194 00:54:26,530 --> 00:54:29,265 We know that they don't actually allow people 1195 00:54:29,267 --> 00:54:30,733 to stop smoking. 1196 00:54:30,735 --> 00:54:32,735 Now there's even more evidence that 1197 00:54:32,737 --> 00:54:36,138 these are a gateway to smoking regular cigarettes. 1198 00:54:36,140 --> 00:54:39,375 These cigarette makers are making these for kids. 1199 00:54:39,377 --> 00:54:42,211 Because they make chocolate, and other flavors. 1200 00:54:42,213 --> 00:54:43,779 What's going on? 1201 00:54:43,781 --> 00:54:45,948 Frankly, they don't think they can see too clearly 1202 00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:48,550 sometimes when it comes to a product 1203 00:54:48,552 --> 00:54:50,986 that involves nicotine, like e-cigarettes. 1204 00:54:50,988 --> 00:54:55,591 Because of the association with tobacco that just 1205 00:54:55,593 --> 00:54:57,993 seems to blot out the sun for these people. 1206 00:54:57,995 --> 00:55:00,229 And they can't look at the facts as objectively 1207 00:55:00,231 --> 00:55:01,730 as they otherwise might. 1208 00:55:01,732 --> 00:55:04,500 In many people's mind, nicotine is so closely 1209 00:55:04,502 --> 00:55:08,904 associated with tobacco and smoke. 1210 00:55:08,906 --> 00:55:11,006 That they don't separate out. 1211 00:55:11,008 --> 00:55:13,342 This is just one of the components 1212 00:55:13,344 --> 00:55:15,077 in a cigarette. 1213 00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:17,680 What we always used to say in the stop smoking services 1214 00:55:17,682 --> 00:55:21,750 is that nicotine is as addictive as heroin and cocaine. 1215 00:55:21,752 --> 00:55:25,954 But actually, we're finding more now 1216 00:55:25,956 --> 00:55:28,023 that once you take it out of the cigarette 1217 00:55:28,025 --> 00:55:30,626 which we know has got other chemicals into 1218 00:55:30,628 --> 00:55:33,028 enhance the action of nicotine, 1219 00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:35,497 it doesn't seem to be so addictive. 1220 00:55:35,499 --> 00:55:38,300 You never see anyone sniffing pure nicotine. 1221 00:55:38,302 --> 00:55:40,836 You never see anyone injecting pure nicotine. 1222 00:55:40,838 --> 00:55:44,039 No one wants to inject or to use nicotine in a pure form, 1223 00:55:44,041 --> 00:55:46,275 and you know it would be much cheaper 1224 00:55:46,277 --> 00:55:50,012 to get nicotine as a solution, 1225 00:55:50,014 --> 00:55:52,281 rather than to use, to take it from cigarettes. 1226 00:55:52,283 --> 00:55:53,963 But everyone likes cigarettes because it's 1227 00:55:53,987 --> 00:55:55,317 not only nicotine. 1228 00:55:55,319 --> 00:55:57,186 It's not particularly dangerous in itself. 1229 00:55:57,188 --> 00:55:59,555 Some people are saying, well, in terms of risk 1230 00:55:59,557 --> 00:56:02,191 it may be on the level with, say, coffee 1231 00:56:02,193 --> 00:56:03,492 or something like that. 1232 00:56:03,494 --> 00:56:06,328 Nicotine is a mild stimulant. 1233 00:56:06,330 --> 00:56:10,065 We have data from Sweden which... where they have 1234 00:56:10,067 --> 00:56:12,668 huge rates of nicotine use 1235 00:56:12,670 --> 00:56:14,069 lifelong use. 1236 00:56:14,071 --> 00:56:16,839 The rates of lung cancer are half that 1237 00:56:16,841 --> 00:56:18,073 of the rest of Europe. 1238 00:56:18,075 --> 00:56:19,908 The rates of heart attacks are half that 1239 00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:21,210 of the rest of Europe. 1240 00:56:21,212 --> 00:56:23,412 And the reason is because the tobacco they use 1241 00:56:23,414 --> 00:56:27,082 is a special smokeless pasteurized product called Snus, 1242 00:56:27,084 --> 00:56:30,586 which is a harm-reduction product, much the same 1243 00:56:30,588 --> 00:56:32,321 as electronic cigarettes are. 1244 00:56:32,323 --> 00:56:37,025 And so we know that really lifelong use of nicotine 1245 00:56:37,027 --> 00:56:39,828 you can't measure any significant health 1246 00:56:39,830 --> 00:56:41,230 impacts from that. 1247 00:56:41,232 --> 00:56:44,066 The data we have on that is, it really comes from 1248 00:56:44,068 --> 00:56:47,202 looking at people using patches and gums. 1249 00:56:47,204 --> 00:56:50,038 And the data show that you can use nicotine 1250 00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,373 for many many years. 1251 00:56:51,375 --> 00:56:54,042 Many people have gone on to be lifelong users 1252 00:56:54,044 --> 00:56:56,111 including I might say my sister, 1253 00:56:56,113 --> 00:56:59,081 with no additional risk, but dramatic declines 1254 00:56:59,083 --> 00:57:01,583 in their probability of risks. 1255 00:57:01,585 --> 00:57:04,019 And I think part of it is the way physicians, 1256 00:57:04,021 --> 00:57:06,088 nurses, health professionals get trained 1257 00:57:06,090 --> 00:57:08,023 and the way they send their message forward 1258 00:57:08,025 --> 00:57:11,226 they often don't know that very simple fact. 1259 00:57:11,228 --> 00:57:14,096 What I'm extremely disappointed with in myself 1260 00:57:14,098 --> 00:57:16,198 and in our movement, especially around the 1261 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,201 framework convention on tobacco control 1262 00:57:19,203 --> 00:57:23,138 is that we did not recognize the simple role of nicotine, 1263 00:57:23,140 --> 00:57:25,073 molecule nicotine, 1264 00:57:25,075 --> 00:57:28,043 and the possibility of tobacco on reduction. 1265 00:57:28,045 --> 00:57:30,212 Frankly you don't get people to move 1266 00:57:30,214 --> 00:57:32,247 and especially not one 1.4 billion people 1267 00:57:32,249 --> 00:57:34,716 to move by giving them a sermon. 1268 00:57:34,718 --> 00:57:37,586 And lecturing them and saying, you quit, or you die. 1269 00:57:37,588 --> 00:57:40,255 Here's some nicotine replacement therapy, or gum 1270 00:57:40,257 --> 00:57:42,958 or your patch, you'll only be allowed to use it 1271 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,259 for 12 weeks. 1272 00:57:44,261 --> 00:57:48,096 Because, you're the bad person, you need to stop smoking. 1273 00:57:48,098 --> 00:57:52,100 And use this and then let's hope that we can fix you. 1274 00:57:52,102 --> 00:57:55,571 And that's a gap, and it's a great failing. 1275 00:57:59,810 --> 00:58:03,178 What struck me, was in my career, which extends 1276 00:58:03,180 --> 00:58:06,982 from working on tobacco in South Africa through who, 1277 00:58:06,984 --> 00:58:09,518 is how rarely we actually make the point 1278 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,121 very clearly, that nicotine addicts, tar kills. 1279 00:58:13,123 --> 00:58:16,024 That very simple separation of what's in a product. 1280 00:58:16,026 --> 00:58:17,346 And yet we've known it for years. 1281 00:58:17,348 --> 00:58:19,214 It was in the original Surgeon General's report 1282 00:58:19,216 --> 00:58:21,630 in 1964, clearly stated 1283 00:58:21,632 --> 00:58:24,132 that long-term use of nicotine alone confers 1284 00:58:24,134 --> 00:58:27,169 very little to no harms on people. 1285 00:58:27,171 --> 00:58:29,938 Do those professionals actually know 1286 00:58:29,940 --> 00:58:32,341 how people die of smoking? 1287 00:58:32,343 --> 00:58:35,477 And then you get to the disturbing fact that 1288 00:58:35,479 --> 00:58:38,881 if you ask the question to, let's say 1289 00:58:38,883 --> 00:58:41,183 the physicians in America: 1290 00:58:41,185 --> 00:58:43,285 "Does nicotine cause cancer?" 1291 00:58:43,287 --> 00:58:44,453 Simple question. 1292 00:58:44,455 --> 00:58:46,221 Does that cause cancer? 1293 00:58:46,223 --> 00:58:48,891 70% of them would say yes. 1294 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,195 And the science is absolutely clear 1295 00:58:53,197 --> 00:58:56,164 that nicotine is not a carcinogen. 1296 00:58:56,166 --> 00:58:57,866 It is an addictive agent. 1297 00:58:57,868 --> 00:59:01,303 So it's part of the ritual and the attractiveness 1298 00:59:01,305 --> 00:59:02,738 of people smoking cigarettes. 1299 00:59:02,740 --> 00:59:05,240 But it's not the nicotine that kills, 1300 00:59:05,242 --> 00:59:06,675 it's the tar and the smoke. 1301 00:59:06,677 --> 00:59:10,145 We weren't honest with our patients. 1302 00:59:12,081 --> 00:59:16,151 If health professionals, and those who are in a position 1303 00:59:16,153 --> 00:59:19,254 of trust, where people would want to confide 1304 00:59:19,256 --> 00:59:22,324 or discuss quitting, 1305 00:59:22,326 --> 00:59:25,193 you would want them to have the right information. 1306 00:59:25,195 --> 00:59:27,329 And that, to me, was the shocking 1307 00:59:27,331 --> 00:59:30,165 part, in myself, is that I 1308 00:59:30,167 --> 00:59:33,001 did not know that nicotine is not a carcinogen. 1309 00:59:33,003 --> 00:59:35,203 So where I would have been in a position to help 1310 00:59:35,205 --> 00:59:38,240 my patients, or family members who smoke 1311 00:59:38,242 --> 00:59:41,877 with less harmful products 1312 00:59:41,879 --> 00:59:45,280 so that they, if they couldn't stop or quit smoking 1313 00:59:45,282 --> 00:59:47,683 they'd at least switch to something less harmful. 1314 00:59:47,685 --> 00:59:49,885 And unfortunately, the health professionals 1315 00:59:49,887 --> 00:59:52,287 especially physicians are normally 1316 00:59:52,289 --> 00:59:54,623 not in a position where they get 1317 00:59:54,625 --> 00:59:56,959 feedback when they are wrong. 1318 00:59:56,961 --> 01:00:00,362 Very honest to say that I personally got it wrong. 1319 01:00:03,267 --> 01:00:07,369 FDA's own funded scientists came out and said 1320 01:00:07,371 --> 01:00:11,540 that vapers are exposed to dramatically 1321 01:00:11,542 --> 01:00:14,376 less toxicants than 1322 01:00:14,378 --> 01:00:15,777 smokers. 1323 01:00:15,779 --> 01:00:18,880 And they are exposed to very similar levels of toxicants 1324 01:00:18,882 --> 01:00:21,049 as non-tobacco users. 1325 01:00:21,051 --> 01:00:24,653 Unfortunately, the FDA officials, when they 1326 01:00:24,655 --> 01:00:27,322 talk to the news media, don't say that. 1327 01:00:27,324 --> 01:00:30,792 The dilemma is you, you can't get 1.4 billion people. 1328 01:00:30,794 --> 01:00:32,628 It's the size of the catholic church. 1329 01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:37,232 It's the size of the Indian population. 1330 01:00:37,234 --> 01:00:40,235 All to quit smoking cigarettes tomorrow. 1331 01:00:40,237 --> 01:00:42,504 It's just not going to happen. 1332 01:00:42,506 --> 01:00:46,008 So the alternative is to provide safer, 1333 01:00:46,010 --> 01:00:49,311 not safe, but safer alternatives. 1334 01:00:49,313 --> 01:00:51,146 All these other products are so much less 1335 01:00:51,148 --> 01:00:52,481 hazardous. 1336 01:00:52,483 --> 01:00:55,117 And yet, our public health agencies are saying: 1337 01:00:55,119 --> 01:00:58,120 No, no, you have to absolutely stop all tobacco 1338 01:00:58,122 --> 01:00:59,354 and all nicotine use. 1339 01:00:59,356 --> 01:01:00,355 That's their goal. 1340 01:01:16,906 --> 01:01:18,626 As we look at the arguments against vaping 1341 01:01:18,650 --> 01:01:22,010 from the preachers, it seems that there's an issue of pride. 1342 01:01:22,012 --> 01:01:24,179 Nobody likes to admit that they're wrong, 1343 01:01:24,181 --> 01:01:26,348 Especially when they're the expert. 1344 01:01:35,391 --> 01:01:37,025 My name is Serena Chen, I'm with the 1345 01:01:37,027 --> 01:01:39,194 American Lung Association. 1346 01:01:39,196 --> 01:01:41,663 Every time we watched a public hearing about vaping 1347 01:01:41,665 --> 01:01:43,465 it was intriguing to see that one of the major 1348 01:01:43,489 --> 01:01:47,235 health charities was there to attack it immediately. 1349 01:01:47,237 --> 01:01:50,839 The anti-tobacco community 1350 01:01:50,841 --> 01:01:53,475 is also a small economy in itself. 1351 01:01:53,477 --> 01:01:56,211 Cancer, heart, and lung, for the last 1352 01:01:56,213 --> 01:01:58,980 20 years, their tobacco control advocacy 1353 01:01:58,982 --> 01:02:02,417 has all been financed by pharmaceutical grants 1354 01:02:02,419 --> 01:02:04,086 and contracts. 1355 01:02:04,088 --> 01:02:06,988 I found out that cancer's 150 billion dollar industry. 1356 01:02:08,325 --> 01:02:11,259 The American Cancer Society, you know, 1357 01:02:11,261 --> 01:02:14,396 most profitable non-profit organization out there. 1358 01:02:14,398 --> 01:02:16,078 Every advertisement on television you saw 1359 01:02:16,102 --> 01:02:18,400 for gums, patches, and lozenges for the Nicoderm, 1360 01:02:18,402 --> 01:02:20,435 Nicorette, and commit lozenge 1361 01:02:20,437 --> 01:02:23,505 it said, sponsored by the American Cancer Society 1362 01:02:23,507 --> 01:02:26,007 and it had the American Cancer Society logo on it. 1363 01:02:26,009 --> 01:02:28,677 Every state has a chapter, every county has a chapter, 1364 01:02:28,679 --> 01:02:30,679 And every city has a chapter. 1365 01:02:30,681 --> 01:02:33,749 17 to 18% of that money goes to research. 1366 01:02:33,751 --> 01:02:36,451 The rest goes to the multi-million dollar salaries 1367 01:02:36,453 --> 01:02:38,386 of all of the CEOs, CFOs, 1368 01:02:38,388 --> 01:02:40,021 COOs, CDOs, 1369 01:02:40,023 --> 01:02:41,356 CLOs. 1370 01:02:41,358 --> 01:02:43,425 Everybody's got... and so on and so on and so on. 1371 01:02:43,427 --> 01:02:45,927 I just know that people keep donating year after year 1372 01:02:45,929 --> 01:02:48,029 after year after year and we have more walks 1373 01:02:48,031 --> 01:02:49,931 and more relays and more ribbons. 1374 01:02:49,933 --> 01:02:52,400 Because people haven't done what the problem 1375 01:02:52,402 --> 01:02:53,769 needed to be done. 1376 01:02:53,771 --> 01:02:56,037 And that is, stop the source of the problem. 1377 01:02:56,039 --> 01:02:57,919 You go to a river, you see a baby floating down, 1378 01:02:57,943 --> 01:02:59,107 a dead baby floating down. 1379 01:02:59,109 --> 01:03:01,042 You pull in the dead baby, I'll pull a dead baby, 1380 01:03:01,044 --> 01:03:03,043 another dead baby comes out, pull out a dead baby. 1381 01:03:03,045 --> 01:03:04,765 All we're doing is reaction, pull out dead. 1382 01:03:04,767 --> 01:03:06,767 Look, go to the beginning of the mouth of the river 1383 01:03:06,791 --> 01:03:08,282 and see who's throwing the babies in. 1384 01:03:08,284 --> 01:03:10,117 Then stop that person then maybe we won't have 1385 01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:11,752 the dead babies floating down the river. 1386 01:03:11,754 --> 01:03:13,254 I know I'm being obnoxious here, but 1387 01:03:13,256 --> 01:03:14,222 it's as simple as that. 1388 01:03:14,224 --> 01:03:18,226 If the tobacco model as we know it were to change 1389 01:03:18,228 --> 01:03:20,562 drastically, all of those NGO's 1390 01:03:20,564 --> 01:03:21,963 would be out of business. 1391 01:03:21,965 --> 01:03:23,398 They're holding onto the phone, 1392 01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:24,833 they don't want the phone to die. 1393 01:03:24,835 --> 01:03:27,402 Then I started investigating the product 1394 01:03:27,404 --> 01:03:30,472 and I could see the potential. I was worried, also, 1395 01:03:30,474 --> 01:03:32,240 because potential was very high. 1396 01:03:32,242 --> 01:03:34,743 I said, wow, my smoking cessation center 1397 01:03:34,745 --> 01:03:36,945 would be out of business in a matter of 1398 01:03:36,947 --> 01:03:37,946 a few years. 1399 01:04:02,405 --> 01:04:04,372 So we have the bootleggers 1400 01:04:04,374 --> 01:04:06,208 with their billions of dollars. 1401 01:04:06,210 --> 01:04:07,609 And we have the preachers 1402 01:04:07,611 --> 01:04:10,345 with their loud voices and trusted brands. 1403 01:04:10,347 --> 01:04:12,180 How does this truth stand a chance, 1404 01:04:12,182 --> 01:04:15,383 especially when the vast majority of vaping advocates 1405 01:04:15,385 --> 01:04:18,386 are a rag tag bunch of unorganized vapers. 1406 01:04:18,388 --> 01:04:21,022 And their loudest group are the cloud chasers. 1407 01:05:01,164 --> 01:05:05,066 For the first time, stopping smoking can be fun. 1408 01:05:05,068 --> 01:05:08,737 You don't see websites devoted to the latest patch. 1409 01:05:08,739 --> 01:05:11,172 You know, you don't see any chat like that. 1410 01:05:11,174 --> 01:05:14,509 You see masses of chat in the forums and so on, 1411 01:05:14,511 --> 01:05:17,078 people talking about these devices, how they're using them 1412 01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,014 and so, it's kind of interesting. 1413 01:05:19,016 --> 01:05:21,116 It's kind of a bit of a community sense. 1414 01:05:21,118 --> 01:05:22,550 They're hanging out together. 1415 01:05:22,552 --> 01:05:23,952 They're a group again. 1416 01:05:23,954 --> 01:05:25,553 They're family. 1417 01:05:25,555 --> 01:05:27,715 They were persecuted, he was persecuted, and she was... 1418 01:05:27,739 --> 01:05:29,291 So now they can all come together 1419 01:05:29,293 --> 01:05:31,426 and they're not gonna be persecuted anymore because 1420 01:05:31,428 --> 01:05:33,028 they've done what we've asked them to do 1421 01:05:33,052 --> 01:05:35,086 and that is find a safer alternative. 1422 01:05:38,201 --> 01:05:40,635 But the vast majority of vapers 1423 01:05:40,637 --> 01:05:42,237 are moms and dads, 1424 01:05:42,239 --> 01:05:43,805 grandmas and grandpas, 1425 01:05:43,807 --> 01:05:45,040 your neighbors, 1426 01:05:45,042 --> 01:05:47,375 who are desperately trying to quit 1427 01:05:47,377 --> 01:05:49,644 something that is slowly killing them. 1428 01:05:49,646 --> 01:05:51,313 I'm from the UK. 1429 01:05:51,315 --> 01:05:52,380 I'm a dad. 1430 01:05:52,382 --> 01:05:54,282 An IT engineer. 1431 01:05:54,284 --> 01:05:55,083 A vaper. 1432 01:05:55,085 --> 01:05:56,584 An archer. 1433 01:05:56,586 --> 01:05:57,385 A cook. 1434 01:05:57,387 --> 01:05:59,254 A husband. 1435 01:05:59,256 --> 01:06:01,122 Used to be a chemist. 1436 01:06:01,124 --> 01:06:03,158 And, 1437 01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:04,759 used to be a smoker. 1438 01:06:04,761 --> 01:06:07,595 I tried an RT, and I've tried cold turkey, 1439 01:06:07,597 --> 01:06:09,764 and I tried all sorts of things to try 1440 01:06:09,766 --> 01:06:11,499 to give up smoking because I knew 1441 01:06:11,501 --> 01:06:14,936 that it was making me ill. 1442 01:06:14,938 --> 01:06:17,018 And the year before I stopped smoking I had more than 1443 01:06:17,042 --> 01:06:20,642 four serious chest infections that required 1444 01:06:20,644 --> 01:06:24,679 inhalers, and drugs, you know, it was crazy. 1445 01:06:24,681 --> 01:06:28,316 Just over five years ago I came across this bad boy. 1446 01:06:28,318 --> 01:06:31,353 I haven't got rid of it because well, 1447 01:06:31,355 --> 01:06:32,620 it's kind of a savior. 1448 01:06:32,622 --> 01:06:35,623 On that day I stopped smoking tobacco. 1449 01:06:35,625 --> 01:06:36,958 That was it. 1450 01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:37,959 I quit. 1451 01:06:39,762 --> 01:06:42,597 That's pretty powerful stuff. 1452 01:06:42,599 --> 01:06:45,600 I just got the device myself. 1453 01:06:45,602 --> 01:06:48,169 I didn't need anyone's help. 1454 01:06:48,171 --> 01:06:49,804 I didn't need a prescription. 1455 01:06:49,806 --> 01:06:51,773 I didn't need a doctor's say so. 1456 01:06:51,775 --> 01:06:53,675 I didn't need a hand out from the government. 1457 01:06:53,677 --> 01:06:56,678 Or the health authority, or a charity. 1458 01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:58,179 I just quit smoking. 1459 01:07:00,216 --> 01:07:01,983 That's mad. 1460 01:07:01,985 --> 01:07:03,551 That's kinda cool. 1461 01:07:42,458 --> 01:07:44,826 In the meantime, the people who have the power to 1462 01:07:44,828 --> 01:07:46,694 help them quit smoking find themselves 1463 01:07:46,696 --> 01:07:48,396 in a conflict of interests. 1464 01:07:48,398 --> 01:07:49,998 Let's look at the FDA. 1465 01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,534 The FDA is known to have a history of hiring people 1466 01:07:52,536 --> 01:07:55,537 from Big Pharma, and then once they're done at the FDA 1467 01:07:55,539 --> 01:07:56,871 they go back to Big Pharma. 1468 01:07:56,873 --> 01:07:58,406 It's a revolving door. 1469 01:07:58,408 --> 01:08:01,042 The current head of the FDA Center for tobacco 1470 01:08:01,044 --> 01:08:04,079 is a former lobbyist for the Big Pharma company 1471 01:08:04,081 --> 01:08:06,581 that sells Nicorette gum in the United States. 1472 01:08:06,583 --> 01:08:09,417 This is the same division that in 2014 1473 01:08:09,419 --> 01:08:13,021 proposed banning 99% of the vapor products on the market. 1474 01:08:13,023 --> 01:08:16,758 It will ban more than 99.99% 1475 01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,694 of all e-cigarette products on the market today. 1476 01:08:19,696 --> 01:08:22,297 Over in California, state senator Leno was accepting 1477 01:08:22,299 --> 01:08:25,066 large campaign contributions from Big Pharma, 1478 01:08:25,068 --> 01:08:27,802 while at the same time proposing regulations 1479 01:08:27,804 --> 01:08:30,271 and taxes on vapor products. 1480 01:08:30,273 --> 01:08:33,241 We are at risk of losing 25 years effort 1481 01:08:33,243 --> 01:08:35,577 and a two billion dollar investment 1482 01:08:35,579 --> 01:08:38,213 in keeping a next generation from becoming 1483 01:08:38,215 --> 01:08:41,950 addicted to the killing drug of nicotine. 1484 01:08:41,952 --> 01:08:44,452 We have information from not only the California 1485 01:08:44,454 --> 01:08:46,888 Department of Public Health, which has declared 1486 01:08:46,890 --> 01:08:49,891 these devices to be dangerous and unsafe. 1487 01:08:49,893 --> 01:08:52,494 And they are currently in the midst of an 1488 01:08:52,496 --> 01:08:54,162 educational campaign. 1489 01:08:54,164 --> 01:08:56,204 You may have seen some of the television commercials 1490 01:08:56,228 --> 01:08:57,732 that are out right now. 1491 01:08:57,734 --> 01:08:59,734 You smoke pack after pack 1492 01:08:59,736 --> 01:09:00,802 day after day. 1493 01:09:16,353 --> 01:09:17,685 Your day stays fresh. 1494 01:09:27,831 --> 01:09:30,071 And then you're gonna hear from all the health advocacy 1495 01:09:30,073 --> 01:09:32,440 groups, the Lung Association, the Heart Association, 1496 01:09:32,442 --> 01:09:33,601 the Cancer Society 1497 01:09:33,603 --> 01:09:35,470 all those who are in the business 1498 01:09:35,472 --> 01:09:37,472 of protecting public health 1499 01:09:37,474 --> 01:09:40,141 will be speaking in support. 1500 01:09:52,922 --> 01:09:55,890 The American Cancer Society took endorsement money 1501 01:09:55,892 --> 01:09:57,725 for nicotine patches and gum 1502 01:09:57,727 --> 01:09:59,460 and then released official statements 1503 01:09:59,462 --> 01:10:00,895 warning against vaping. 1504 01:10:00,897 --> 01:10:03,998 For disclosure, neither I nor smoke-free Pennsylvania 1505 01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,534 has ever received any funding from any 1506 01:10:06,536 --> 01:10:08,570 tobacco company, from any drug company, 1507 01:10:08,572 --> 01:10:10,872 or from any e-cigarette company. 1508 01:10:10,874 --> 01:10:14,909 Most of the anti-tobacco movement, the large organizations 1509 01:10:14,911 --> 01:10:18,012 for the last 20 years, the campaign for tobacco-free kids, 1510 01:10:18,014 --> 01:10:21,849 the American Cancer Society, the American Heart Association, 1511 01:10:21,851 --> 01:10:24,085 the American Lung Association, the American Academy 1512 01:10:24,087 --> 01:10:27,589 of Pediatrics, the American Medical Association 1513 01:10:27,591 --> 01:10:30,825 and many more have received hundreds of millions 1514 01:10:30,827 --> 01:10:33,928 of dollars from the pharmaceutical companies 1515 01:10:33,930 --> 01:10:36,497 that manufacture and market the nicotine gums, 1516 01:10:36,499 --> 01:10:38,666 lozenges and patches, 1517 01:10:38,668 --> 01:10:43,771 and the Chantix and Wellbutrin medicines. 1518 01:10:43,773 --> 01:10:47,675 For the last 10 years, these organizations have been 1519 01:10:47,677 --> 01:10:51,346 lobbying to ban all smoke-free alternatives. 1520 01:10:51,348 --> 01:10:55,283 And we know they started with smokeless tobacco, 1521 01:10:55,285 --> 01:10:57,518 With Snus, with dissolvables, 1522 01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:01,923 With lozenges, the tobacco lozenges that came out. 1523 01:11:01,925 --> 01:11:03,725 And then when e-cigarettes came out 1524 01:11:03,727 --> 01:11:06,027 the first thing they did was urge the FDA to ban them 1525 01:11:06,029 --> 01:11:06,928 in 2009. 1526 01:11:06,930 --> 01:11:08,396 And the FDA did. 1527 01:11:08,398 --> 01:11:10,898 When you have this kind of a triage, okay. 1528 01:11:10,900 --> 01:11:13,034 And then you have these other people now feeding off 1529 01:11:13,036 --> 01:11:15,937 the tentacles, cancer, lung, heart, getting all this money 1530 01:11:15,939 --> 01:11:17,238 from the government. 1531 01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:20,208 Getting money from the master tobacco settlement. 1532 01:11:20,210 --> 01:11:22,644 What are they supposed to do? 1533 01:11:30,019 --> 01:11:32,420 With all the lobbying from big charities, it looks like 1534 01:11:32,422 --> 01:11:34,489 government took the convenient opportunity 1535 01:11:34,491 --> 01:11:36,958 to protect their tobacco profits. 1536 01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,727 The category is under threat. 1537 01:11:39,729 --> 01:11:42,730 Countries like Singapore, Thailand, 1538 01:11:42,732 --> 01:11:45,133 probably Indonesia, Australia 1539 01:11:45,135 --> 01:11:47,001 have banned e-cigarettes. 1540 01:11:47,003 --> 01:11:49,971 We just had a vaper from Australia saying 1541 01:11:49,973 --> 01:11:52,674 she's smoked for 43 years. 1542 01:11:52,676 --> 01:11:55,076 She tried everything. 1543 01:11:55,078 --> 01:11:58,913 Patches, gum, behavioral therapy, the works. 1544 01:11:58,915 --> 01:12:00,281 Didn't work. 1545 01:12:00,283 --> 01:12:02,417 She heard about e-cigarettes and she asked her local 1546 01:12:02,419 --> 01:12:04,919 pharmacist, can she have that, she didn't have. 1547 01:12:04,921 --> 01:12:07,655 Then she found the quit line. 1548 01:12:07,657 --> 01:12:09,090 Could she have an e-cigarette. 1549 01:12:09,092 --> 01:12:12,627 She's tried all the other modalities of cessation. 1550 01:12:12,629 --> 01:12:14,696 They said: "No, it's illegal." 1551 01:12:14,698 --> 01:12:18,833 So that is sending her to an early death. 1552 01:12:21,770 --> 01:12:23,805 Twenty countries have now banned e-cigarettes 1553 01:12:23,807 --> 01:12:26,040 thanks to, due to world health organization 1554 01:12:26,042 --> 01:12:27,041 telling them to. 1555 01:12:27,043 --> 01:12:29,677 In Hong Kong it's a $12,000 fine. 1556 01:12:29,679 --> 01:12:31,946 And/or up to two years in jail. 1557 01:12:31,948 --> 01:12:34,148 In Brunei, it's $10,000. 1558 01:12:34,150 --> 01:12:36,017 This is happening all over the world 1559 01:12:36,019 --> 01:12:39,053 where countries have banned, or heavily restricted vaping. 1560 01:12:39,055 --> 01:12:40,722 And you're doing nothing about smoking. 1561 01:12:40,724 --> 01:12:43,057 So you're in a place where you can get cigarettes 1562 01:12:43,059 --> 01:12:44,058 everywhere, 1563 01:12:44,060 --> 01:12:46,527 but you cannot get e-cigarettes. 1564 01:12:46,529 --> 01:12:51,032 By banning all these least hazardous alternatives 1565 01:12:51,034 --> 01:12:53,568 they're actually protecting cigarette markets. 1566 01:12:53,570 --> 01:12:55,570 A vaper... 1567 01:12:55,572 --> 01:12:56,838 ...from Dubai, 1568 01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,140 he was telling me that he had quit smoking 1569 01:12:59,142 --> 01:13:01,209 two years ago with e-cigarettes. 1570 01:13:01,211 --> 01:13:04,345 But, he was forced, 1571 01:13:04,347 --> 01:13:10,218 by the government, due to the ban, to illegally 1572 01:13:10,220 --> 01:13:15,156 introduce e-cigarette products in the country 1573 01:13:15,158 --> 01:13:18,393 in order for him to stay off cigarettes. 1574 01:13:18,395 --> 01:13:22,697 So, you are forcing someone to become, to do some 1575 01:13:22,699 --> 01:13:25,700 illegal actions in order to stay away from cigarettes. 1576 01:13:25,702 --> 01:13:29,437 And I don't see any reasoning, 1577 01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:32,273 and any common sense behind that. 1578 01:13:32,275 --> 01:13:35,076 In some countries you need a prescription to vape. 1579 01:13:35,078 --> 01:13:37,111 But you can go to the store and buy cigarettes. 1580 01:13:37,113 --> 01:13:39,313 In Australia, they ban vaping liquids that have nicotine 1581 01:13:39,337 --> 01:13:42,417 in them because they say nicotine is a poison. 1582 01:13:42,419 --> 01:13:45,787 Yet they sell nicotine gum right in convenience stores 1583 01:13:45,789 --> 01:13:47,688 without any sort of prescription. 1584 01:13:47,690 --> 01:13:51,125 Then three black SUVs 1585 01:13:51,127 --> 01:13:53,227 raided my house. 1586 01:13:53,229 --> 01:13:57,398 They had a search warrant, a search and seizure warrant. 1587 01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:01,803 And they came in and they went through all my things. 1588 01:14:01,805 --> 01:14:05,440 They bagged and tagged everything they could find 1589 01:14:05,442 --> 01:14:08,476 related to electronic cigarettes. 1590 01:14:08,478 --> 01:14:12,079 And, yeah, they took all my stuff. 1591 01:14:12,081 --> 01:14:16,050 It was horrible, it was a scene out of like 1592 01:14:16,052 --> 01:14:18,986 it was like, it was like they thought I was some sort 1593 01:14:18,988 --> 01:14:20,755 of Columbian drug cartel, or something. 1594 01:14:20,757 --> 01:14:23,124 They were alleging that I breached an obscure 1595 01:14:23,126 --> 01:14:26,060 tobacco control act, a law 1596 01:14:26,062 --> 01:14:28,262 that said, it is illegal to sell product 1597 01:14:28,264 --> 01:14:30,231 that is not a tobacco product 1598 01:14:30,233 --> 01:14:34,135 but is designed to resemble a tobacco product. 1599 01:14:34,137 --> 01:14:35,837 Yeah. 1600 01:14:35,839 --> 01:14:38,506 The law wasn't written to block electronic cigarettes. 1601 01:14:38,508 --> 01:14:42,176 The law was written to block candy cigarettes. 1602 01:14:42,178 --> 01:14:43,945 You know those little white cigarettes 1603 01:14:43,947 --> 01:14:45,279 with the little red ends on them. 1604 01:14:45,281 --> 01:14:46,814 That's what the law was written for. 1605 01:14:46,816 --> 01:14:49,283 And the health department were trying to stretch 1606 01:14:49,285 --> 01:14:51,519 this law and then use it to block 1607 01:14:51,521 --> 01:14:54,422 the lifesaving technology it was insane. 1608 01:14:54,424 --> 01:14:56,290 But nonetheless, they took all my things 1609 01:14:56,292 --> 01:14:58,359 and I had to shut the business down. 1610 01:14:58,361 --> 01:15:01,028 It was horrible after all the success 1611 01:15:01,030 --> 01:15:03,297 and seeing the difference I was making in so many 1612 01:15:03,299 --> 01:15:06,167 people's lives, to have it shut down and taken away 1613 01:15:06,169 --> 01:15:09,337 like that was just, it was just horrible. 1614 01:15:09,339 --> 01:15:11,939 I felt, I couldn't let this go. 1615 01:15:11,941 --> 01:15:14,475 If I had given up at that point in time, 1616 01:15:14,477 --> 01:15:15,376 It was over. 1617 01:15:15,378 --> 01:15:17,345 A precedent would have been set 1618 01:15:17,347 --> 01:15:20,281 banning the sale of these devices. 1619 01:15:20,283 --> 01:15:23,150 I can't possibly explain what it's like 1620 01:15:23,152 --> 01:15:25,853 to tell your family that 1621 01:15:25,855 --> 01:15:27,415 you're gonna push ahead with this thing 1622 01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:30,324 even though it's probably gonna bankrupt you, 1623 01:15:30,326 --> 01:15:32,006 but you're simply gonna do it because it's 1624 01:15:32,030 --> 01:15:33,529 the right thing to do. 1625 01:15:35,097 --> 01:15:38,866 And then at the end, after you do it all 1626 01:15:38,868 --> 01:15:40,548 and you go through all of these sacrifices 1627 01:15:40,572 --> 01:15:42,336 and all of this pain 1628 01:15:42,338 --> 01:15:45,706 and all the fights and arguments, 1629 01:15:45,708 --> 01:15:48,142 The court simply ignores the argument 1630 01:15:48,144 --> 01:15:49,644 and simply finds you guilty. 1631 01:15:49,646 --> 01:15:51,879 The lives of millions of Australians and billions 1632 01:15:51,881 --> 01:15:54,148 of people worldwide don't appear to matter 1633 01:15:54,150 --> 01:15:55,917 in this situation. 1634 01:15:55,919 --> 01:15:58,052 It seems to be about money. 1635 01:15:58,054 --> 01:15:59,587 Somebody's got an agenda. 1636 01:15:59,589 --> 01:16:01,589 And it isn't about us. 1637 01:16:07,529 --> 01:16:09,597 Don't let the bastards win. 1638 01:16:16,939 --> 01:16:19,006 I think that's all for now. 1639 01:16:32,287 --> 01:16:35,189 One of the biggest vaping news stories in 2015 1640 01:16:35,191 --> 01:16:38,192 was when Portland State University came out with a study 1641 01:16:38,194 --> 01:16:41,429 showing that there was more formaldehyde in vapor 1642 01:16:41,431 --> 01:16:43,030 than in cigarettes. 1643 01:16:43,032 --> 01:16:46,434 Formaldehyde study basically was a fraud. 1644 01:16:46,436 --> 01:16:48,436 The person who did it... 1645 01:16:50,706 --> 01:16:53,240 Set the PV on a wrong setting 1646 01:16:53,242 --> 01:16:57,712 and it would dry puff, no vaper could use it. 1647 01:16:57,714 --> 01:17:00,247 All the way up to 12, I'm not trying this 1648 01:17:00,249 --> 01:17:03,317 all the way through. 1649 01:17:05,989 --> 01:17:10,491 Wish me luck. 1650 01:17:17,333 --> 01:17:18,633 It can't be done. 1651 01:17:18,635 --> 01:17:21,235 But they made a machine inhale it. 1652 01:17:21,237 --> 01:17:23,604 And then they assumed this machine would inhale 1653 01:17:23,606 --> 01:17:26,607 so many, hundreds of inhales every hour 1654 01:17:26,609 --> 01:17:28,309 for the rest of their life 1655 01:17:28,311 --> 01:17:31,412 for 75 years they projected it out to be. 1656 01:17:31,414 --> 01:17:34,248 And they added up all these dry puffs 1657 01:17:34,250 --> 01:17:37,251 of the machine dry puffing for 75 years in a row. 1658 01:17:37,253 --> 01:17:39,320 And then said it might be more carcinogenic 1659 01:17:39,322 --> 01:17:40,921 than cigarette smoking. 1660 01:17:40,923 --> 01:17:42,356 But, it was a fraud. 1661 01:17:42,358 --> 01:17:45,593 A lot of these researchers, they're mostly funded 1662 01:17:45,595 --> 01:17:46,761 by the Federal Government. 1663 01:17:46,763 --> 01:17:48,329 The Food and Drug Administration 1664 01:17:48,331 --> 01:17:50,197 and the Department of Health and Human Services 1665 01:17:50,199 --> 01:17:51,839 through the National Institutes of Health 1666 01:17:51,863 --> 01:17:53,601 and through the centers for disease control 1667 01:17:53,603 --> 01:17:56,437 are funding most of the people who are trying 1668 01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:57,805 to ban e-cigarettes. 1669 01:17:57,807 --> 01:18:00,307 And they're funding them to go out and lobby to ban 1670 01:18:00,309 --> 01:18:01,642 e-cigarettes. 1671 01:18:01,644 --> 01:18:03,277 Even though it's completely illegal 1672 01:18:03,279 --> 01:18:05,880 the CDC gave grants to the Washington State Chapter 1673 01:18:05,882 --> 01:18:07,948 of the American Lung Association 1674 01:18:07,950 --> 01:18:10,284 who used that money for lobbying. 1675 01:18:10,286 --> 01:18:11,786 This is what happened. 1676 01:18:11,788 --> 01:18:14,155 King five news. 1677 01:18:14,157 --> 01:18:18,292 For so many adults, this has been a life 1678 01:18:18,294 --> 01:18:20,127 changing intervention. 1679 01:18:20,129 --> 01:18:22,563 Now at 6:30 a heated hearing in Olympia 1680 01:18:22,565 --> 01:18:24,632 as the state tries to become the first in the nation 1681 01:18:24,634 --> 01:18:27,702 to regulate e-cigarettes like tobacco. 1682 01:18:27,704 --> 01:18:29,864 Staff bureau chief Drew Nicholson looks at the proposal 1683 01:18:29,888 --> 01:18:31,806 that would make Washington's vaping laws 1684 01:18:31,808 --> 01:18:33,674 some of the toughest in the country. 1685 01:18:33,676 --> 01:18:35,309 It's a violation of federal law 1686 01:18:35,311 --> 01:18:38,045 to use federal funding to lobby for laws. 1687 01:18:38,047 --> 01:18:39,547 But it's been going on. 1688 01:18:39,549 --> 01:18:42,483 The CDC's been warned about it by the department 1689 01:18:42,485 --> 01:18:47,388 of health and human inspector general report. 1690 01:18:47,390 --> 01:18:49,724 They had hearings in front of the US House 1691 01:18:49,726 --> 01:18:53,094 of Representatives, Energy and Commerce Committee on this. 1692 01:18:53,096 --> 01:18:56,363 The Tom Freiden was warned that he could not 1693 01:18:56,365 --> 01:18:58,332 insist in his grants giving out the 1694 01:18:58,334 --> 01:19:01,669 state health departments that they lobby for laws. 1695 01:19:01,671 --> 01:19:03,003 He was putting it in the grapes 1696 01:19:03,005 --> 01:19:04,538 and it's a violation of federal law. 1697 01:19:04,540 --> 01:19:07,708 So this has been going on, this is why all these cities, 1698 01:19:07,710 --> 01:19:10,010 municipal health departments, and state health department 1699 01:19:10,012 --> 01:19:11,812 directors have come out calling for bans on 1700 01:19:11,814 --> 01:19:13,581 e-cigarettes because they don't want to lose 1701 01:19:13,583 --> 01:19:15,282 their CDC funding. 1702 01:19:15,284 --> 01:19:17,284 And why these researchers keep coming out 1703 01:19:17,286 --> 01:19:19,046 every researcher that comes out and generates 1704 01:19:19,070 --> 01:19:22,189 a news story saying e-cigarettes contain toxic chemicals 1705 01:19:22,191 --> 01:19:25,359 gets another 10 million dollar grant from the FDA 1706 01:19:25,361 --> 01:19:28,062 or the national institutes of health. 1707 01:19:28,064 --> 01:19:30,598 Nothing motivates people quite like fear. 1708 01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,067 Especially when it involves their children. 1709 01:19:33,069 --> 01:19:34,969 You know this recent report found nearly 1710 01:19:34,971 --> 01:19:37,371 two million middle school and high school students 1711 01:19:37,373 --> 01:19:40,474 have tried electronic cigarettes, or e-cigarettes. 1712 01:19:40,476 --> 01:19:42,443 That set off some alarm bells and this week 1713 01:19:42,445 --> 01:19:45,212 40 state Attorney's General called on the US 1714 01:19:45,214 --> 01:19:48,315 Food and Drug Administration to regulate e-cigs 1715 01:19:48,317 --> 01:19:49,984 just like it regulates tobacco. 1716 01:19:49,986 --> 01:19:52,987 The federal health agencies goals 1717 01:19:52,989 --> 01:19:56,590 was hoping by year 2020 that we could get 1718 01:19:56,592 --> 01:19:59,493 the past month smoking rate among youth 1719 01:19:59,495 --> 01:20:01,428 down to 16%. 1720 01:20:01,430 --> 01:20:04,398 It's down below 10% now. 1721 01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,734 Five years ahead of schedule. 1722 01:20:06,736 --> 01:20:09,270 And it's because of e-cigarettes. 1723 01:20:09,272 --> 01:20:11,939 The regulatory authorities then confused the water 1724 01:20:11,941 --> 01:20:15,276 by saying, well, maybe it reduces harm 1725 01:20:15,278 --> 01:20:16,977 but maybe it doesn't. 1726 01:20:16,979 --> 01:20:18,913 And we definitely need more research. 1727 01:20:18,915 --> 01:20:20,915 But of course, we need more research on everything. 1728 01:20:20,939 --> 01:20:22,917 What do you think, is it a question 1729 01:20:22,919 --> 01:20:26,487 are they bad for you, or we just still don't know? 1730 01:20:26,489 --> 01:20:29,623 I think what we can say basically is 1731 01:20:29,625 --> 01:20:32,359 they might be or might not be able to help you quit. 1732 01:20:32,361 --> 01:20:35,863 But there are definite harms that they can cause. 1733 01:20:35,865 --> 01:20:38,833 And those definite harms are in different environments. 1734 01:20:38,835 --> 01:20:41,602 So if they get kids hooked on nicotine 1735 01:20:41,604 --> 01:20:42,870 that's a really bad thing. 1736 01:20:42,872 --> 01:20:45,506 Virtually all the daily users of teenagers 1737 01:20:45,508 --> 01:20:49,176 are either smokers, or people who used to smoke. 1738 01:20:49,178 --> 01:20:53,280 And the problem is, the researchers aren't disclosing 1739 01:20:53,282 --> 01:20:55,616 a lot of this daily use data. 1740 01:20:55,618 --> 01:20:58,452 So the only two surveys have ever asked people, 1741 01:20:58,454 --> 01:21:01,322 Did you vape nicotine, or no nicotine? 1742 01:21:01,324 --> 01:21:03,824 And they found 96% of all non-smokers 1743 01:21:03,826 --> 01:21:06,126 who had ever used an e-cigarette in their life 1744 01:21:06,128 --> 01:21:08,662 used no nicotine e-cigarettes. 1745 01:21:08,664 --> 01:21:11,065 You've called this deeply troubling in the past. 1746 01:21:11,067 --> 01:21:13,133 And, why? 1747 01:21:13,135 --> 01:21:16,537 Well, if you start with e-cigarettes 1748 01:21:16,539 --> 01:21:19,306 there's a real likelihood that you will become 1749 01:21:19,308 --> 01:21:20,674 nicotine addicted. 1750 01:21:20,676 --> 01:21:23,677 So called gateway effect is used as a reason why 1751 01:21:23,679 --> 01:21:26,247 e-cigarettes should not be used. 1752 01:21:26,249 --> 01:21:29,416 If children start with e-cigarettes that leads 1753 01:21:29,418 --> 01:21:32,686 as a gateway to stronger drugs and to smoking. 1754 01:21:32,688 --> 01:21:34,521 There's no evidence to back it up yet. 1755 01:21:34,523 --> 01:21:36,757 Just applying first principles to it. 1756 01:21:36,759 --> 01:21:39,593 If a product has mainly only nicotine 1757 01:21:39,595 --> 01:21:42,162 and another one has nicotine and tar 1758 01:21:42,164 --> 01:21:45,532 I don't think you need a long-term 10 year study to say 1759 01:21:45,534 --> 01:21:48,402 the former is definitely a better choice for a smoker 1760 01:21:48,404 --> 01:21:50,271 who wants to quit, than the latter. 1761 01:21:50,273 --> 01:21:52,740 You don't think that they had something 1762 01:21:52,742 --> 01:21:56,510 so solid that vaping and e-cigs were deadly 1763 01:21:56,512 --> 01:21:59,914 and harmful, the formaldehyde, the carcinogens, 1764 01:21:59,916 --> 01:22:02,216 the Nico, the... It's all bullshit. 1765 01:22:02,218 --> 01:22:05,352 If you look at the United Kingdom, 1766 01:22:05,354 --> 01:22:08,722 e-cigarette users up to the end of last year 1767 01:22:08,724 --> 01:22:12,359 70% of them thought that e-cigarettes 1768 01:22:12,361 --> 01:22:14,695 were safer than standard cigarettes. 1769 01:22:14,697 --> 01:22:16,530 That was their perception. 1770 01:22:16,532 --> 01:22:18,599 And in the space of six months, that's dropped down 1771 01:22:18,601 --> 01:22:22,036 to an perception rate of about 43%. 1772 01:22:22,038 --> 01:22:26,640 So through the misinformation, bad science 1773 01:22:26,642 --> 01:22:27,741 it's hurt the category. 1774 01:22:27,743 --> 01:22:30,077 Let me ask about the other people who are 1775 01:22:30,079 --> 01:22:32,579 around people who may be smoking e-cigarettes. 1776 01:22:32,581 --> 01:22:34,782 Is the idea of secondhand smoke, I mean we know about 1777 01:22:34,784 --> 01:22:36,750 that with cigarettes, but some researchers say 1778 01:22:36,752 --> 01:22:39,820 the amount of potential carcinogens in the vapor 1779 01:22:39,822 --> 01:22:42,456 potentially is extremely minute 1780 01:22:42,458 --> 01:22:44,124 that it's insignificant in fact. 1781 01:22:44,126 --> 01:22:46,093 I mean, do you disagree with that? 1782 01:22:46,095 --> 01:22:48,395 Well we don't know what's in more than 200 different 1783 01:22:48,397 --> 01:22:49,930 e-cigarette products out there. 1784 01:22:49,932 --> 01:22:51,999 What we do know is that there is nicotine. 1785 01:22:52,001 --> 01:22:55,169 They should be accurate and responsible communication 1786 01:22:55,171 --> 01:22:58,439 of the facts to the consumer. 1787 01:22:58,441 --> 01:23:02,176 And such a responsible agency 1788 01:23:02,178 --> 01:23:04,311 would need to weigh their words very carefully. 1789 01:23:04,313 --> 01:23:06,580 The dangers of e-cigarettes are clear. 1790 01:23:06,582 --> 01:23:09,450 Today's electronic cigarettes are no better 1791 01:23:09,452 --> 01:23:11,986 than the Joe Camels of the past. 1792 01:23:29,971 --> 01:23:34,508 If all the smokers of cigarettes today 1793 01:23:34,510 --> 01:23:37,711 switched to e-cigarettes tomorrow, 1794 01:23:37,713 --> 01:23:42,950 the billion lives will definitely be significantly reduced. 1795 01:23:42,952 --> 01:23:45,285 It's the smoking that kills people. 1796 01:23:45,287 --> 01:23:47,187 It's not the nicotine. 1797 01:23:47,189 --> 01:23:50,391 People smoke for the nicotine, but they die 1798 01:23:50,393 --> 01:23:51,959 because they inhale smoke. 1799 01:23:51,961 --> 01:23:54,128 We have none of the tar, the smoke, 1800 01:23:54,130 --> 01:23:57,831 or the 4,000 plus chemicals going into your body. 1801 01:23:57,833 --> 01:24:00,634 There's no evidence that vaping has caused 1802 01:24:00,636 --> 01:24:02,803 or associated with any disease. 1803 01:24:02,805 --> 01:24:04,525 And we know that it's helped several million 1804 01:24:04,549 --> 01:24:07,541 people quit smoking. 1805 01:24:07,543 --> 01:24:09,877 So the billion lives that we're trying to save, 1806 01:24:09,879 --> 01:24:11,879 Better do a hell of a lot more than we're doing now 1807 01:24:11,903 --> 01:24:13,914 because right now the army isn't big enough. 1808 01:24:13,916 --> 01:24:16,116 A lot of people don't even want to fight the war anymore 1809 01:24:16,140 --> 01:24:17,851 because we're, it's an uphill battle. 1810 01:24:17,853 --> 01:24:20,054 People are exhausted and tired and frustrated 1811 01:24:20,056 --> 01:24:21,422 and angry and pissed off 1812 01:24:21,424 --> 01:24:23,924 and upset with the fact that we can't fix it 1813 01:24:23,926 --> 01:24:25,926 because it's truthful, and it's right. 1814 01:24:25,928 --> 01:24:27,561 But things are not looking good. 1815 01:24:27,563 --> 01:24:30,597 The numbers now show that e-cigarette sales 1816 01:24:30,599 --> 01:24:31,698 are down. 1817 01:24:31,700 --> 01:24:33,260 Europe just passed all kinds of rules. 1818 01:24:33,284 --> 01:24:35,836 They're gonna take beneficial products off the shelves 1819 01:24:35,838 --> 01:24:38,439 and out of the lives of thousands of people 1820 01:24:38,441 --> 01:24:39,940 who are trying to quit smoking. 1821 01:24:39,942 --> 01:24:42,609 It will close down the market 1822 01:24:42,611 --> 01:24:44,044 for the independents. 1823 01:24:44,046 --> 01:24:48,916 It will hand a majority control to the tobacco industry 1824 01:24:48,918 --> 01:24:52,753 who are producing devices. 1825 01:24:52,755 --> 01:24:57,257 And I think it will be a damaging thing 1826 01:24:57,259 --> 01:24:59,726 to the whole of the vaping industry. 1827 01:24:59,728 --> 01:25:02,629 I'm very disappointed in the way things are going. 1828 01:25:02,631 --> 01:25:04,765 Here in Poland we have 1829 01:25:04,767 --> 01:25:06,900 over one million vapers. 1830 01:25:06,902 --> 01:25:10,270 And we estimate that 1831 01:25:10,272 --> 01:25:12,739 after that 1832 01:25:12,741 --> 01:25:15,142 heavy legislation 1833 01:25:15,144 --> 01:25:18,078 it will be 500,000, 1834 01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:19,146 not more 1835 01:25:19,148 --> 01:25:21,148 or even, even less. 1836 01:25:21,150 --> 01:25:24,885 We are trying to find a way... 1837 01:25:24,887 --> 01:25:26,220 ...to... 1838 01:25:26,222 --> 01:25:28,622 ...fight. 1839 01:25:28,624 --> 01:25:33,060 It's not easy because PPDs already 1840 01:25:33,062 --> 01:25:36,063 a law in the European Union. 1841 01:25:36,065 --> 01:25:37,831 In the US the same thing. 1842 01:25:37,833 --> 01:25:40,400 The FDA just passed all kinds of new rules 1843 01:25:40,402 --> 01:25:42,603 that will keep millions of people smoking. 1844 01:25:42,605 --> 01:25:46,106 The FDA has estimated that 90, 1845 01:25:46,108 --> 01:25:48,342 more than 98.5% 1846 01:25:48,344 --> 01:25:50,177 of all e-cigarette products on the market 1847 01:25:50,179 --> 01:25:52,613 will be banned by their regulation. 1848 01:25:52,615 --> 01:25:54,281 All e-liquid will be banned. 1849 01:25:54,283 --> 01:25:57,017 This is not a proposed regulation to protect children, 1850 01:25:57,019 --> 01:26:01,922 as the FDA has presented it falsely to the news media. 1851 01:26:01,924 --> 01:26:03,757 It's prohibition plan B. 1852 01:26:03,759 --> 01:26:05,459 You know what the FDA's gonna do, 1853 01:26:05,461 --> 01:26:06,960 you know what EU's gonna do, 1854 01:26:06,962 --> 01:26:08,362 you know what Germany's gonna do, 1855 01:26:08,364 --> 01:26:09,763 you know what Malaysia's gonna do, 1856 01:26:09,765 --> 01:26:11,045 you know what Brazil's gonna do, 1857 01:26:11,047 --> 01:26:12,447 you know what Argentina's gonna do. 1858 01:26:12,471 --> 01:26:14,001 We all know, the die is cast, 1859 01:26:14,003 --> 01:26:16,270 the cast is formed, the stage is set 1860 01:26:16,272 --> 01:26:18,105 and the script is written. 1861 01:26:18,107 --> 01:26:19,606 End of story. 1862 01:26:19,608 --> 01:26:20,774 Why? 1863 01:26:20,776 --> 01:26:25,312 Because nobody cares. 1864 01:26:25,314 --> 01:26:26,813 A billion lives. 1865 01:26:26,815 --> 01:26:28,982 A billion lives, a billion people with names. 1866 01:26:28,984 --> 01:26:30,851 They each have a name. 1867 01:26:30,853 --> 01:26:33,954 And if you and I were in discussion with them, 1868 01:26:33,956 --> 01:26:36,790 Would it not be fair and responsible to provide 1869 01:26:36,792 --> 01:26:38,659 them with the right information? 1870 01:26:38,661 --> 01:26:42,229 The question is, how much evidence is sufficient 1871 01:26:42,231 --> 01:26:45,699 for that one person sitting in front of you? 1872 01:26:45,701 --> 01:26:48,802 So if you the nurse, or the pharmacist, or the dentist, 1873 01:26:48,804 --> 01:26:51,004 And it's your patient, and they ask you, 1874 01:26:51,006 --> 01:26:53,674 "I'd like to use an e-cigarette, what's your view?" 1875 01:26:53,676 --> 01:26:55,576 Then you can't say: 1876 01:26:55,578 --> 01:26:57,811 "Well, we need to do more research." 1877 01:26:57,813 --> 01:26:59,813 That's just not helpful. 1878 01:26:59,815 --> 01:27:01,415 It's irresponsible. 1879 01:27:01,417 --> 01:27:03,984 The public needs to know the truth about these products. 1880 01:27:03,986 --> 01:27:06,153 And they need public health people telling the truth 1881 01:27:06,155 --> 01:27:07,421 about the risks. 1882 01:27:07,423 --> 01:27:09,823 At least 95% less risky than smoking. 1883 01:27:09,825 --> 01:27:12,025 If we look at the history of public health, 1884 01:27:12,027 --> 01:27:15,028 the biggest breakthroughs are associated historically 1885 01:27:15,030 --> 01:27:17,664 with two really really simple things. 1886 01:27:17,666 --> 01:27:19,733 One, you give people enough information that they 1887 01:27:19,735 --> 01:27:21,135 can make an informed decision about 1888 01:27:21,159 --> 01:27:22,536 what they're gonna do. 1889 01:27:22,538 --> 01:27:24,178 And two, you give them the ability to act 1890 01:27:24,202 --> 01:27:25,272 on that information. 1891 01:27:25,274 --> 01:27:26,840 It's a crime 1892 01:27:26,842 --> 01:27:29,042 not to tell the billion people 1893 01:27:29,044 --> 01:27:30,911 who will lose their life 1894 01:27:30,913 --> 01:27:33,013 because they smoke, 1895 01:27:33,015 --> 01:27:34,348 of the alternative. 1896 01:27:34,350 --> 01:27:35,616 We are losing. 1897 01:27:35,618 --> 01:27:38,051 We are losing fast and furious and big 1898 01:27:38,053 --> 01:27:39,119 and who's gonna lose? 1899 01:27:39,121 --> 01:27:40,954 The smokers, again. 1900 01:27:40,956 --> 01:27:43,423 Who are now trying to transition over 1901 01:27:43,425 --> 01:27:45,305 when they've been asked and begged and cried for 1902 01:27:45,307 --> 01:27:47,106 for years and years and now we have something 1903 01:27:47,108 --> 01:27:48,995 that's viable, and we're not giving it to them. 1904 01:27:48,997 --> 01:27:49,896 It's just shameful. 1905 01:27:49,898 --> 01:27:51,465 It's embarrassing. 1906 01:27:51,467 --> 01:27:53,867 This is not how people should treat other people. 1907 01:27:53,869 --> 01:27:55,869 Especially under the guise of public health 1908 01:27:55,871 --> 01:27:58,272 and compassion and love and liberty 1909 01:27:58,274 --> 01:28:00,641 and freedom and all that. 1910 01:28:00,643 --> 01:28:01,975 You know, I'm sick of it. 1911 01:28:01,977 --> 01:28:05,979 What we have here is that the best kept secret 1912 01:28:05,981 --> 01:28:10,717 in tobacco cessation, tobacco reduction 1913 01:28:10,719 --> 01:28:14,488 is the use of safer alternative nicotine products. 1914 01:28:14,490 --> 01:28:17,457 And that consumers are denied that right. 1915 01:28:17,459 --> 01:28:21,828 We have this huge glaring opportunity to do something 1916 01:28:21,830 --> 01:28:26,967 that would sort of rival eradication of small pox, 1917 01:28:26,969 --> 01:28:29,670 or dealing with cholera, sanitation 1918 01:28:29,672 --> 01:28:32,005 as one of the biggest public health breakthroughs 1919 01:28:32,007 --> 01:28:34,007 we've ever had. 1920 01:28:34,009 --> 01:28:36,076 And it's staring us in the face. 1921 01:28:36,078 --> 01:28:39,079 And it's not conceptually difficult. 1922 01:28:39,081 --> 01:28:40,981 And we've got examples of where it's worked 1923 01:28:40,983 --> 01:28:42,783 and we look at things like Swedish Snus. 1924 01:28:42,785 --> 01:28:45,419 We have proof of concept that people can get 1925 01:28:45,421 --> 01:28:47,421 their nicotine in far less hazardous ways 1926 01:28:47,423 --> 01:28:49,122 and be just fine with it. 1927 01:28:49,124 --> 01:28:52,259 And it hasn't happened yet. 1928 01:29:01,102 --> 01:29:04,104 And I guess really what prompted me 1929 01:29:04,106 --> 01:29:06,940 to want to quit 1930 01:29:06,942 --> 01:29:10,043 was seeing my uncle 1931 01:29:10,045 --> 01:29:12,879 dying of lung cancer. 1932 01:29:12,881 --> 01:29:16,350 And without a shadow of a doubt 1933 01:29:16,352 --> 01:29:21,521 he was the most genuine 1934 01:29:21,523 --> 01:29:28,128 and kind-hearted person 1935 01:29:28,130 --> 01:29:32,699 I've ever known in my life. 1936 01:29:32,701 --> 01:29:34,901 People are gonna die. 1937 01:29:34,903 --> 01:29:36,236 People are gonna get sick. 1938 01:29:36,238 --> 01:29:38,905 There are people who should have had the opportunity 1939 01:29:38,907 --> 01:29:40,674 to grow old. 1940 01:29:40,676 --> 01:29:43,510 To be part of their grandchildren's lives. 1941 01:29:43,512 --> 01:29:46,246 I knew firsthand the experience that I had had 1942 01:29:46,248 --> 01:29:48,181 and how dramatic the change in my life 1943 01:29:48,183 --> 01:29:49,416 and my health had been. 1944 01:29:49,418 --> 01:29:52,219 I'd seen dozens of friends and family members, 1945 01:29:52,221 --> 01:29:54,521 actually hundreds, really, in the end of lives 1946 01:29:54,523 --> 01:29:56,223 that have been directly changed 1947 01:29:56,225 --> 01:29:58,425 by using these devices. 1948 01:29:58,427 --> 01:30:01,261 And the health department, like that's their name 1949 01:30:01,263 --> 01:30:04,898 the health department were banning them. 1950 01:30:04,900 --> 01:30:06,933 You can still buy cigarettes. 1951 01:30:06,935 --> 01:30:09,102 You know, buy and use any tobacco product you like, 1952 01:30:09,104 --> 01:30:10,904 but you can't buy the alternative 1953 01:30:10,906 --> 01:30:13,774 that we know is significantly, I mean like 1954 01:30:13,776 --> 01:30:17,711 over 95% safer. 1955 01:30:17,713 --> 01:30:21,748 And really I just, I didn't want 1956 01:30:21,750 --> 01:30:25,886 my children to have to see me that way. 1957 01:30:25,888 --> 01:30:28,221 I wanted to be 1958 01:30:28,223 --> 01:30:30,724 able to be there 1959 01:30:30,726 --> 01:30:34,194 for them more in the future 1960 01:30:34,196 --> 01:30:38,064 and extend my life 1961 01:30:38,066 --> 01:30:40,066 for them. 1962 01:30:40,068 --> 01:30:43,303 And, essentially that 1963 01:30:43,305 --> 01:30:45,038 is what vaping has done. 1964 01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:50,043 Vaping has helped me to quit smoking cigarettes. 1965 01:30:50,045 --> 01:30:55,081 And for that, I am thankful. 1966 01:30:55,083 --> 01:30:57,417 A billion lives are at stake. 1967 01:30:57,419 --> 01:30:59,319 The status quo is winning. 1968 01:30:59,321 --> 01:31:02,255 Smoking is strong. 1969 01:31:02,257 --> 01:31:07,160 The battle rages on even as you watch this. 1970 01:31:07,162 --> 01:31:09,042 Big business and government are working together 1971 01:31:09,066 --> 01:31:10,964 all over the world to serve the few 1972 01:31:10,966 --> 01:31:13,166 at the expense of the many. 1973 01:31:13,168 --> 01:31:15,268 We see so many examples. 1974 01:31:15,270 --> 01:31:16,903 In our food system. 1975 01:31:16,905 --> 01:31:18,338 Our medicine. 1976 01:31:18,340 --> 01:31:20,273 And now we see it in the push to preserve 1977 01:31:20,275 --> 01:31:23,243 smoking and its cash flow. 1978 01:31:23,245 --> 01:31:27,080 To condemn a billion people to death. 1979 01:31:27,082 --> 01:31:29,249 Billions of mourning kids. 1980 01:31:29,251 --> 01:31:33,286 Billions of broken hearts. 1981 01:31:33,288 --> 01:31:35,655 We can choose a better approach. 1982 01:31:35,657 --> 01:31:38,091 We can end fear-mongering. 1983 01:31:38,093 --> 01:31:41,027 We can help our neighbors live better. 1984 01:31:41,029 --> 01:31:44,965 We can help our neighbors live longer. 1985 01:31:44,967 --> 01:31:47,634 And we must. 1986 01:31:48,305 --> 01:31:54,930 Please rate this subtitle at %url% Help other users to choose the best subtitles 153535

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