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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:14,040 [woman on radio] Well, good morning, Sacramento, 2 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,000 if you're just joining us it's 8:38 am, 3 00:00:17,080 --> 00:00:21,240 it's a beautiful day out there so make the most of the things that... 4 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,480 [Vince Boston] Finally, after all these years, 5 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,360 we're getting something done 6 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,160 and I guess my patience finally paid off. 7 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,680 I had told the police 8 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:39,640 that me and my brother witnessed my dad murdering Chris and Peta. 9 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,640 I was prepared to just give my testimony, 10 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,520 but I knew I was putting my life in my hands. 11 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,960 He can kill you, he can bury you in the backyard 12 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,800 and he's gotten away with it more than once. 13 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,080 Yeah, I'm looking over my shoulder, but I have to make my dad 14 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:07,320 accountable for his crimes and stop him from hurting somebody else. 15 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,680 We just couldn't believe that we were in this position 16 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:22,360 after so many decades. The FBI had tracked Boston down. 17 00:01:23,960 --> 00:01:25,960 [Marcus Knutson] We obtained information that he was staying 18 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:27,240 that he was staying at a senior care facility 19 00:01:27,320 --> 00:01:28,400 in Eureka, California. 20 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,840 [Penny Farmer] I was very vengeful, 21 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,800 I wanted my pound of flesh off him. 22 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:37,480 He was aged 75, 23 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,600 and all this time he was still a free man. 24 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,960 [Marcus] We were going to arrest Silas Duane Boston 25 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:47,280 for the homicides of Peta and Chris. 26 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,200 This guy has killed multiple people before, 27 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,120 and I wasn't gonna take it lightly. 28 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,800 [Penny] We felt that justice was within our grasp. 29 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,000 [David Sesma] We go to his room... 30 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:12,400 and he's not there. 31 00:02:14,920 --> 00:02:18,200 I don't think he can be caught, he covers his tracks too well. 32 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,640 My heart started beating, he's got away again. 33 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,320 [Vince] It made me sick to my stomach 34 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:31,960 because I'm the snitch, he might be trying to find me to come and kill me. 35 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:37,560 {\an8}[theme music playing] 36 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:19,960 {\an8}[Penny] Where is he? 37 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,880 We were assured he'd been under surveillance 38 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,840 {\an8}and that there is no way he can move anywhere. 39 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,400 {\an8}We determined that two days prior to us arriving in Eureka 40 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:34,480 {\an8}he had transferred to another 41 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,960 {\an8}senior care facility in Paradise, California. 42 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,680 We are flying along Highway 36, 43 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,280 probably a four or five-hour drive. 44 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,040 [Penny] We felt he'd slipped away again, 45 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,600 and we were not going to see justice again. 46 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,360 [Marcus] Our concern is we don't know 47 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:57,920 if the nurse is calling over there 48 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:59,920 and we don't want him to go on the run. 49 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,480 I come around the corner and sitting there in a wheelchair, 50 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,600 kind of moving his self with his legs is Duane. 51 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,680 You could see his eyes just got big. 52 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,160 {\an8}We tell him that he's under arrest 53 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,920 {\an8}for the murders of Chris Farmer and Peta Frampton. 54 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,120 [Marcus] He really didn't say anything, 55 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,600 if you didn't know what he had done to Peta and Chris 56 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,120 you'd be like oh that just looks like a nice old guy 57 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:44,440 sitting there in a wheelchair but just feel kind of a coldness, erm, 58 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:45,520 that was there. 59 00:04:46,840 --> 00:04:49,520 He was a bad guy that needed to go to jail. 60 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,560 This was a win for Peta and Chris. 61 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,080 75-year-old Silas Duane Boston was tracked down by the FBI 62 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,600 and arrested in a Paradise convalescent home. 63 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,040 Charged with murdering a young Manchester couple 64 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,120 in Guatemala nearly 40 years ago. 65 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:12,560 Christopher Farmer and Peta Frampton, from Manchester are boyfriend, girlfriend, 66 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,600 they'd just finished at university, 67 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,440 they were celebrating their graduation with around the world trip. 68 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,960 {\an8}[Reporter] Both Farmer and Frampton were tortured, and hog tied, 69 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,040 {\an8}thrown in the middle of the ocean to drown. 70 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,640 [Reporter 2] The case would go cold for nearly four decades. 71 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,200 Someone from England had the original file 72 00:05:28,280 --> 00:05:32,160 in their garden shed, you know, I mean this, does it get better than that? 73 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:33,240 Yes! 74 00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:38,280 {\an8}Got you, you black hearted bastard. 75 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,440 [Reporter 3] Silas Duane Boston was arrested 76 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:41,600 after Greater Manchester Police 77 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,040 reopened the case at the request of the victims' families. 78 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:49,520 [Penny] I went downstairs to tell mum the good news, 79 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:55,920 after 38 very long years he was finally in custody. 80 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:00,520 We opened a bottle of champagne and raised a glass to Chris and Peta. 81 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,640 [Audrey Farmer] Over 30 years of silence. 82 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:09,080 {\an8}I know what it have meant to Charles to know he was arrested. 83 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:14,320 He'd always begged the police to let us speak to the two boys. 84 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,040 Once again, the case came alive. 85 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,120 Everything changed. 86 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:24,320 {\an8}He's under arrest, he's in custody, now it's actually going to happen. 87 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,240 [Vince] When I saw that mugshot for the first time it was shocking 88 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:35,920 {\an8}because I hadn't seen him in so many years, he didn't look the same. 89 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,520 I always knew that there was a monster beneath the mask 90 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,720 but now it's like the mask has been lifted, I felt physically ill, 91 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:46,920 I couldn't look at it. 92 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,920 [Reporter] At the time of the murders, Russell and Vince were 11 and 13 93 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,160 but in interviews this year they told an FBI agent 94 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,720 they saw their father kill the couple. 95 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,160 [Penny] We were very grateful 96 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:12,120 that the boys were prepared to get onto the witness stand 97 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,680 and testify against their father. 98 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,120 {\an8}[Audrey] I had felt very antagonistic towards the boys 99 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:25,760 but then I hadn't realised they were obviously scared stiff of him. 100 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:32,560 If he's found guilty of killing Frampton and Farmer, he'll face the death penalty 101 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:33,760 or life in prison. 102 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,480 [Vince] So how do you feel? We got him? 103 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:45,880 Great you know, let's jump cartwheels and, you know, slap high fives all round. 104 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,240 It was a relief of a huge burden. 105 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:52,880 I didn't wanna be afraid anymore. 106 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,680 But I felt these mixed emotions, 107 00:07:55,760 --> 00:08:00,680 I'm the one that's started the machinery to put him to his death, 108 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,960 that's my dad, you know? 109 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,880 I'm, I'm killing my dad, 110 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,720 the good guy with the bad guy, you can't separate the two. 111 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,520 [Reporter] It's an extraordinary story this, isn't it? A young couple 112 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,120 from Manchester disappear nearly 40 years ago 113 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:33,880 and now finally the law authorities 114 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,120 in the United States believe that they do know 115 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,960 how they were killed, how they were murdered and who was responsible. 116 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,720 [Penny] We wanted the world to know he was guilty. 117 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,440 But I was aware that being arrested didn't mean that he was convicted. 118 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:56,640 We knew we were in for a long and messy trial. 119 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:02,640 All our faith and hope was put in Matt Segal the prosecutor. 120 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:10,800 {\an8}[Matthew Segal] In 2015 I was 121 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,200 the Chief of the Special Prosecutions Unit of the US Attorney's Office 122 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:15,760 for the Eastern District of California. 123 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,680 This was an extraordinary case. 124 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:22,360 Two people were murdered 125 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:27,600 and the man who did it evaded justice for 38 years 126 00:09:27,680 --> 00:09:33,040 and his two sons say that they saw him kill them. 127 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,400 You can't kill people 128 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:41,560 and if there's a prosecutable case of murder it has to be charged. 129 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,200 [Lexi Nagin] It's in the United States' Constitution that people are entitled 130 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,440 to be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. 131 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,320 I'm a Federal Public Defender 132 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:58,520 and I was appointed to represent Duane Boston in the case against him. 133 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,080 I became a Public Defender because I wanted to represent people 134 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,720 who didn't have the money to hire, you know, fancy attorneys. 135 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,480 [Matthew] The Defence Attorney is straight out of central casting 136 00:10:09,560 --> 00:10:15,320 for your Federal Public Defender with a lot of experience and smarts. 137 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,240 My job is to hold the government's feet to the fire, 138 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,960 and I have absolutely no problem, um, fighting that fight, 139 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,760 they're innocent until proven guilty and I believe in that very strongly. 140 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:28,160 If you were accused of something, 141 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,320 you would want me to represent you that way. 142 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,160 I was glad that he was gonna get the best representation, 143 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:34,520 it was a serious accusation. 144 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:40,520 But we were gonna go 100%, no matter who was representing him. 145 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,520 Like you can't just lock people up, 146 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,680 a jury of 12 regular people has to decide beyond a reasonable doubt, 147 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,840 yeah, that happened, he did it. 148 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,800 I only need one juror to have a doubt. 149 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:01,320 Could we face the awful thought of getting an innocent verdict? 150 00:11:02,680 --> 00:11:04,760 [Vince] Any seed of doubt in the story, 151 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,080 one little chink in the armour 152 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:08,760 and he's walking out. 153 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,120 {\an8}[Lexi] I start reading the complaint 154 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,360 {\an8}and it's a much stranger complaint than normal. 155 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,840 To have a homicide case from the1970s was incredibly unusual, 156 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:32,080 to have a case that took place in, allegedly, Guatemala was highly unusual, 157 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:38,760 and Vincent and Russell's story is very compelling and it seems true 158 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:39,960 on the surface, 159 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:46,200 but when the story is being told with such creative details 160 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:51,560 it just doesn't ring true as people who are telling something 30 years later 161 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,320 that actually happened. 162 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,320 [Matthew] They corroborate each other, 163 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,600 they're telling substantially the same story about what they saw 164 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:03,160 because that is what they saw. 165 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:10,920 The words that were spoken, 166 00:12:12,680 --> 00:12:13,840 supposedly Chris saying, 167 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:15,520 "What's your game, man? What's your game?" 168 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,520 The billy club broke after the beating, 169 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:26,120 even sitting with the naked person tied up, alone, 170 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,800 none of it read to me like facts of a case. 171 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:37,400 Those kinds of details actually raise a red flag to me as being untruthful. 172 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,480 [Lexi] When something very traumatic happens 173 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:46,960 your brain goes to places to protect you and you sometimes can't remember details 174 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,080 or can't even see details. 175 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,960 There's a lot of studies about eyewitness identifications of traumatic events 176 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,280 where one person's telling of it is completely different 177 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:00,760 from another person's telling 178 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:05,560 because their brains are just working in ways to protect them from this trauma. 179 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,640 [Lexi] Neither one of the boys said it's been a really long time, 180 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,920 I was very traumatised by it, I put it out of my mind, 181 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,440 or I repressed it and so I don't really remember 182 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,560 but I know I saw this thing happen. 183 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:25,360 If there's no contemporaneous writing or contemporaneous way of recording 184 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,120 people just don't remember those things. 185 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:35,120 The mind's not a tape recorder and memory's sometimes not exactly valid. 186 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:37,600 [water splashing] 187 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:43,360 But all I can do is tell the story of what I saw in front of my own eyes. 188 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,360 [Matthew] Any effective defence would require 189 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:57,000 a cross examination for the ages of those guys. 190 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,360 The motive for Russell and Vincent to lie about their dad 191 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,400 was very apparent to me, I mean, that was something 192 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,160 that just kind of screamed off the page. 193 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,360 The boys were convinced from a very young age that their father 194 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:13,600 had killed their mother. 195 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:17,320 Everyone knows he's killed her. 196 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,800 I'm gonna tell you exactly what he did to my mom. 197 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:26,760 [upbeat music playing] 198 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,360 [Vince] The earliest memories I have of our mom 199 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:36,360 she was in the kitchen, 200 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,160 playing The Beatles, 201 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:40,720 that was one of her favourite groups. 202 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,440 Somehow, we started calling her Mommy Mary Lou. 203 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:52,960 And I just remember this warm feeling that she loved us kids 204 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,280 and we were her whole world. 205 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,880 When she met my dad, she was 17, 206 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,320 which is still considered a minor 207 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,200 and my dad was a few years old. 208 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,800 The story was she ran away with him with 25 bucks in her pocket. 209 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,480 It scared her family that she had fallen for dad. 210 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,520 Dad could be very charming if he wanted to be, 211 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:22,880 especially over women. 212 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,280 At first, he was a caring dad, 213 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:28,880 but he turned. 214 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:37,040 He was doing drugs and partying and eventually being abusive. 215 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,280 She had to get away from him. 216 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,960 She started dating someone and filed for a divorce, 217 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,640 but he wouldn't let her leave. 218 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,360 He took her to an orchard 219 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,480 and told her he was going to shoot her. 220 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:01,960 While she was running, he shot her in the back. 221 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:03,040 [gunshot] 222 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,240 Then he buried her in a shallow grave somewhere. 223 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:07,880 We don't know where. 224 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,680 Grandma told us your dad showed me his hands, 225 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,360 he had blisters on his hands from digging her grave 226 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,520 and he was crying and saying, "I had to kill Mary, I had to shoot her 227 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,680 "because she was gonna leave me and I didn't wanna lose my kids". 228 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:30,400 When she went missing the police questioned my dad, 229 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,160 he said that they were separated, 230 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:40,000 she had emptied the savings account, and she was dating this radio disc jockey 231 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,040 and he never saw her again. 232 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,840 I think at the time, in the late sixties, 233 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,320 a woman was thought that she should be in the kitchen 234 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:57,640 just not dating anybody else when she's getting a divorce 235 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,240 so like, "Hey, you know, she's going on with her life." 236 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,720 She was getting away from his abuse. 237 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,800 What were they thinking back then? 238 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,720 He killed my mom in cold blood, 239 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:22,280 they just took everything he said as if it's the truth, they let him go. 240 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,600 And then meanwhile my mom's in a shallow grave somewhere. 241 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,880 We haven't been able to find out where my mom is, 242 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,960 my dad actually told us himself 243 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,200 that we'll never find her in a million years, 244 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,920 and that he buried her in or near a creek bed, 245 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,480 and the creek bed caved in on her. 246 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,400 Where could he have taken her? 247 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:57,960 He told us that he loved my mom and out of all the people that he killed, 248 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,200 she's the only one he regrets killing. 249 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,720 When you murder somebody's mother for your own selfish needs 250 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,960 and say, "I did it because I love you." Really? Is that love? 251 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:11,720 You sicken me. 252 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:18,480 I think this was the first time he was able to commit a murder 253 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:19,880 and talk his way out of it. 254 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,360 And I think it set things up for the future for him, 255 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,360 realising that if he did things a certain way 256 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,440 he could get away with murder over and over again. 257 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,520 [Penny] When somebody's missing, it's horrible, 258 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,240 you can't think about anything else, you can't come to terms with it. 259 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,000 Desperate, absolutely desperate, you don't know what to do, 260 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,200 you don't know who to turn to. 261 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,080 I think it's human nature to wanna know what happened, 262 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:52,400 to get some kind of a closure, 263 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,520 even though you know they can't come back. 264 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:58,280 If my dad's convicted, 265 00:18:58,360 --> 00:19:01,480 he might finally tell me where he buried my mom. 266 00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:14,720 [Lexi] Vincent spent a tremendous amount of effort 267 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,400 trying to get them to reopen the investigation 268 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,320 into their mother's disappearance, um, it's unclear whether she died, 269 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:23,520 they never found a body 270 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:27,280 and they just simply weren't getting any traction there. 271 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,840 They were told by family members from a young age that Peta and Chris 272 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,560 had gone missing and that they had last been on the boat 273 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,240 and that police officers were investigation Mr Boston. 274 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,800 So they know he's a suspect in this. 275 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,840 The story of Chris and Peta was always told in combination with 276 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,760 "Let's find him responsible for killing our mother." 277 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:59,760 I'm looking for an opportunity to raise doubt about their credibility. 278 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:05,600 In this case I'm very confident that I have a lot to say. 279 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,640 [Matthew] The attack on Vince and Russ is, "You just made this up 280 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,200 "to get back at your dad because you think he murdered your mom," 281 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,440 which is crazy in itself as a defence. 282 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,480 So now Duane looks like a three times murderer 283 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:29,000 who, when he kills, does his best to dispose of the bodies in a way 284 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:30,600 that they'll never be found. 285 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:37,680 So, it's a tough position for the defence, in my opinion. 286 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,400 It's very problematic for me, except I think the way I would do that 287 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,760 is I would cross examine and say, 288 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:49,080 "You believe that your father was responsible for killing your mother." 289 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,600 "You know that he was cleared of doing that and that made you angry, 290 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,160 "you believed in your heart that that's what happened 291 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,160 "because that's what your grandmother told you." 292 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,320 [Director] Why did your grandma tell you that? 293 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,640 [Vince] Maybe in her mind she felt some guilt 294 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:12,160 and even though she would never turn in little Duaney, her son, her baby, 295 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,080 she wanted us to know the truth. 296 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,160 She knew that he was killing people, 297 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,920 and she would chastise him, "Duane, you can't be doing that". 298 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:31,720 But she would tell us kids, "You gotta keep the family circle intact". 299 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,520 That's why he committed so many crimes and got away with them. 300 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:43,440 Through this investigation back in 1981 I know that his father knew where he was, 301 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:47,120 but his father enabled him by concealing him. 302 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,800 [Vince] My grandpa pretty much funded the trip down to Mexico and Belize 303 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,720 because dad was facing charges for statutory rape. 304 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:09,120 {\an8}I remember one night, I woke up and heard the young woman in distress. 305 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,200 [muffled scream] 306 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:14,320 It wasn't unusual for him to bring home ladies, 307 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,440 but this was different. 308 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:22,160 And she was saying, "Just stop", "No, please stop" in, in a crying voice. 309 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,280 The next morning he's like, "Hey, about last night... 310 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,160 "dummy up, shut the fuck up about that". 311 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,960 This young lady who was under the age of consent, 312 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,240 so they were able to press charges of statutory rape against my dad. 313 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,840 Next thing we know he went and got us passports 314 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,400 and headed down to Belize. 315 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,400 A few weeks later grandpa came down 316 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,880 and, er, brought us money and bought us a boat. 317 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:03,920 The Justin B. 318 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,000 The rape charges were dropped for whatever reason, I don't know. 319 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,200 Grandpa knew but he didn't tell dad. 320 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:20,240 I think that if dad knew we would've come back home. 321 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:29,000 [Penny] It was just so galling to think if Boston had been told 322 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,040 he wouldn't have met Chris and Peta. 323 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,400 {\an8}You just think I wish you'd never been there, you know? 324 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,040 Their paths crossing the way they did. 325 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,480 They were lambs to the slaughter. 326 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:03,160 {\an8}[Matthew] Duane was deep in this western outlaw culture... 327 00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:06,280 doing crime, not talking about it, 328 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,640 and he conveyed a lot of that forcefully, 329 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,760 for decades, to his sons. 330 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:18,800 It was a really big deal when they finally told the police what their dad had done. 331 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,080 [Penny] It restored your faith in humanity 332 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,920 that they had tried to do something, 333 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:30,840 that they hadn't replicated his grotesque human nature, 334 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,080 if you can call him human. 335 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,400 [Vince] He's an evil guy, 336 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,960 that's actually killing people and hurting people. 337 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,160 In my mind he committed these crimes 338 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:48,360 and he deserved to face judgement, even if it was 20, 30, 40, 50 years later. 339 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,600 [Lexi] Obviously in a modern case we'd wanna see photographs, 340 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,440 we'd wanna see that rope, we would wanna see, 341 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,360 you know, how their hands were bound, and a modern autopsy 342 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:11,840 would document all of those things. 343 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,480 The evidence we had was very old documents, 344 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,400 lots of dead witnesses, 345 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,680 we didn't have the autopsy report 346 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,200 and there's no DNA which was strange to me. 347 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:35,400 The last time the bodies were seen was in the seventies. 348 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,120 By the records of the exhumation 349 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,320 they put the bodies under marked grave markers in Guatemala. 350 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,480 This makes the case very strong 351 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,120 if they have those bodies and they have DNA. 352 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,920 I assume it's coming. 353 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,240 We had sent some agents down to Guatemala 354 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,920 to locate the graves of Chris and Peta. 355 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,280 We had planned to exhume the skeletons 356 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:09,720 and send those up to the FBI laboratory to be held, er, for trial. 357 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,640 [Penny] I was told it's really important because then 358 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,280 it will give us the DNA match to yours, 359 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,440 but the cemetery was very chaotic, 360 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,800 and it was proving very hard. 361 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,080 Unfortunately, they couldn't find the grave sites, 362 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,920 I was extremely disappointed I couldn't make that happen. 363 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,680 [Penny] We were horrified. There were photographs of their graves 364 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,680 and it was a very well documented 365 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,840 and witnessed exhumation. 366 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,760 This was really worrying. 367 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,680 [Lexi] It's very complex to decide 368 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,920 that those bodies are Peta and Chris without DNA testing. 369 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,800 Peta and Chris could've gotten off the boat 370 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,320 and something could've happened to them after. 371 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,640 I don't have to prove anything, I just raise reasonable doubt. 372 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:17,120 If we could've recovered a body from that cemetery, 373 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,280 gotten DNA out of it, you know, and matched it to the families 374 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:26,400 then we would've absolutely known, in a completely incontrovertible way, 375 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,120 but I just keep returning to the fact, 376 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,160 that we had two eyeball witnesses to these murders, 377 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,720 they corroborated each other and they were corroborated by documents. 378 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,560 There's a Belize port document that Charles Farmer got that says, 379 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:42,960 "Hey, who was on the boat?" 380 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:48,160 "It was Duane, Chris, Peta, Russ and Vince". 381 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,560 But Chris and Peta weren't on the boat when they got to Livingston. 382 00:27:55,160 --> 00:28:00,400 And we knew we had something when we had Peta's letter. 383 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,200 [Penny] 13th June 1978. 384 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,520 "Dear mum, all our plans have changed, 385 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,560 "an American called Duane, who owns a Belizean boat called the Justin B 386 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,480 "offered to take us up Chetumal by sail. 387 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,200 "We thought it was an opportunity not to be missed, 388 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,040 "especially as Chris wants sailing experience." 389 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,600 It puts her on the boat, the Justin B, 390 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,840 it puts her with Duane and two kids, 391 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,840 {\an8}it's almost like she was speaking to us, 392 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,360 {\an8}then the letter is posted on July 18th, 393 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,400 that was about a week after the bodies washed up, 394 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,560 so it wasn't Peta who sent that letter. 395 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,600 I remember dad looking at the envelope, 396 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,880 if he mails it then that gives him a few extra days, 397 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,160 because then they think, "Oh, they're still alive". 398 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,320 He ended up mailing it in Livingston. 399 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,160 {\an8}And then it turns out that Boston saved a lot of stuff over time. 400 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,880 My dad kept Chris' cassette tapes. 401 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,880 Russ found them in my dad's belongings and handed them over to the police. 402 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:46,160 It was horrible that Boston had kept hold of Chris' much loved music tapes 403 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:51,240 that he'd cherished and put together from all his vinyl records. 404 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,120 It was just a further violation. 405 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:04,840 That's powerful circumstantial evidence and if the jury believes the two sons 406 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,920 the only verdict is "guilty", 407 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,680 because they are eyeball witnesses to the murders. 408 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:15,640 [Vince] I was ready for it. 409 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,840 I can't get wrapped up if I'm gonna be attacked personally 410 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,960 or discredited or thrown under the bus, 411 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,320 all I could do is tell the truth and be the best witness I could be. 412 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,880 Bring it on, I have the truth on my side. 413 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,200 [Penny] Boston had been in custody for two months at this point. 414 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,080 We were just absolutely desperate to get to trial. 415 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,560 We were worried. 416 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,000 They couldn't find the bodies. 417 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,840 But we felt we had a very strong case 418 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,960 because of Vince and Russell's testimonies 419 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,880 and that we would win. 420 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:06,040 We were asked if we wanted to seek the death penalty and my mother, 421 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,920 really without hesitation said, "No". 422 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,960 [Audrey] There's something absolutely abhorrent about legal death. 423 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,880 Although the, you know, he'd done unspeakable things, 424 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:24,720 I don't think that killing somebody really solves anything. 425 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,400 [Matthew] We wanted to go quickly so we could get a conviction 426 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,920 before anything happened to Audrey, 427 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,920 but the government's not in charge of that, the court is 428 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,520 and so we had to persuade the court 429 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:41,680 to set a speedy trial. 430 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,040 We ended up in district court before the trial judge. 431 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,280 [Reporter] The 75-year-old who wheeled into a Sacramento Federal Courtroom 432 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,720 this afternoon seemed feeble 433 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,520 {\an8}and needed a listening device to hear court proceedings. 434 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,920 {\an8}But the Silas Duane Boston described in this federal complaint was 435 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,200 {\an8}anything but weak 38 years ago. 436 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,920 When I saw Boston come into the courtroom for the first time, 437 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,240 I noticed how awful he looked. 438 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,760 [Lexi] He was obviously very ill, and we could see that before our eyes, 439 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,240 he was in a wheelchair, he's on medication, 440 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,360 he was losing weight already, I mean, he was a very sick man. 441 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:28,360 If we were the last stop to being able to deliver justice for a double murder, 442 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:29,840 then that had to happen. 443 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,520 But the defence is trying to delay trial. 444 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,360 [Lexi] We just couldn't commit to a sooner trial when we're not ready. 445 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,320 If we needed attorney client time with him to get the case together, 446 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,840 he was going to have to be a little bit healthy. 447 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,440 [Penny] My mum wrote a letter to the judge. 448 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:59,040 [Audrey] "Dear Sir, I'm writing to ask if you will please consider setting a date 449 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,960 "as soon as possible for the trial of Silas Duane Boston 450 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,120 "for the murder of my beloved son, 451 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,720 "Dr Christopher Farmer and his girlfriend, Peta Frampton. 452 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:15,200 "The brutal manner in which my son's life was taken has left an enduring 453 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:20,680 "and very painful gap in my family's life, which no amount of time will heal, 454 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,440 "but I will derive a sense of closure from knowing that his killer 455 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,120 "has been apprehended and appropriately sentenced." 456 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,240 We were given a provisional trial date of October 2nd, 457 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,360 and we couldn't wait to face him in court. 458 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:43,080 [Det. Jim Kelly] I was hoping, every day, that I would get that call telling me 459 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,440 be in this Sacramento court on this date, 460 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:50,520 at this time and I was ready, I was ready, I would leave in a heartbeat. 461 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,840 I wanted to look him in the eye across the courtroom 462 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,080 and convey an unspoken message to him, 463 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,160 "Got you." 464 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,920 [Sue Dobson] All I kept thinking is how are they going to secure a conviction? 465 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,000 Will they be able to provide unequivocal evidence? 466 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,120 Will the jury decide to find him guilty? 467 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,880 He has to be guilty. I just wanted to kill him. 468 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,800 [Penny] Mum was 92, 469 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,040 I think she felt it was the last thing that she could do for Chris, 470 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,520 to stand in that courtroom and face Boston. 471 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,640 I want to draw a line under it. 472 00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:32,360 After all these years... 473 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,200 We'd finally got him. 474 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,000 Now let's go convict him. 475 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,760 [phone buzzing] 476 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:50,960 [Vince] I get a call, 477 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,480 your dad has passed away. 478 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,040 He just died in custody 479 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,400 and my head just starts spinning. 480 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,360 [Penny] The message came through about 2:00 in the morning, 481 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,840 it just said, "Silas Duane Boston has died". 482 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,600 I went and woke mum up and just said, "He's dead". 483 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,440 It was just so depressing. 484 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,760 We were powerless, again. 485 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,960 {\an8}When the suspect died in jail before standing trial, 486 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,760 {\an8}what impact did that have on you and your family? 487 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,040 We were devastated, it was just a further blow, 488 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,800 err, we came two weeks away from going over to Sacramento 489 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,360 to give pre-trial evidence and, err, 490 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,240 he effectively exited life on his own terms, 491 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,560 he didn't want us to have justice. 492 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,880 [Penny] We were told by his medical team 493 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:56,240 that he refused food and his medicine, 494 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,040 so in effect he took his life. 495 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,640 He knew that we knew he'd killed them, 496 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,480 he couldn't face us. 497 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,000 Four months in custody doesn't really equate to the four decades 498 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,080 where we didn't know what had happened. 499 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,120 I knew that this case had been ever present 500 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,880 in their moment-to-moment daily lives, 501 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:34,400 but criminal cases and criminal trials do not necessarily bring people any peace. 502 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,560 He might not have been convicted and then what? 503 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,240 Do you have your peace? Do you have your closure 504 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:41,800 even though there's no jury conviction? 505 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,640 [Matthew] I'm disappointed. 506 00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:49,360 It would've been a great, great trial 507 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:54,680 but what happened to him was always what I had planned for the case, 508 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,640 in the sense that he didn't walk free again post arrest. 509 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,880 The sons were essential 510 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,920 in providing what justice we could provide in this case. 511 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,800 [Vince] Death is pretty permanent, 512 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,600 there's no coming back from that, 513 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:25,200 no matter what feelings I had toward him this was a finality, a chapter closing, 514 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,400 he's never going to be on this planet again. 515 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,120 This evil monster is gone. 516 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,920 I remember we'd go to the parks here in Sacramento and fly kites 517 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,560 and he'd tied and he'd tied the kite onto a fishing line. 518 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,520 It had got so high in the air that it was just a little dot 519 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,520 and he was like, "Whoa, that's the highest kite in the world", 520 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,960 and we're like, "Yay" it's pretty cool. 521 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:08,880 [crying] 522 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,360 He wasn't always bad, he wasn't always a horrible person 523 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,920 and that's what made it rough, if he was an asshole all the time 524 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,720 it'd be easy to deal with. 525 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,200 But when... 526 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,000 it's just confusing as a child, 527 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:30,200 it's like this is a cool dad that you want to bond with, 528 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,600 but you know what he's capable of. 529 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,640 [Penny] The evil that he did, it had such a reach, 530 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:48,200 not just for my family but the Framptons and, and his own family. 531 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,800 [Vince] A lot of people have suffered, 532 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,920 everybody that could've known my mom, 533 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,120 she was an amazing artist, she could've shared that art with the world 534 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,480 or Chris was a doctor, 25 years old, 535 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,160 think of all the lives that he could've saved, 536 00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:08,480 Peta was an attorney, think of all the people that she could've helped, 537 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,560 and it's not just that one person, it's everybody in their circle. 538 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,320 [Audrey] I can remember Chris was about 12, 539 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:25,280 we were out for a walk and I had a moment of complete happiness, 540 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,760 he and I were walking hand in hand 541 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,880 and I thought, you know, how lovely life is. 542 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:38,800 I do remember that, when we were just the two of us together. 543 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,080 It was a fleeting moment 544 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:46,880 and I don't think I've ever quite experienced that again. 545 00:39:55,640 --> 00:40:00,600 [Penny] Boston never gave Vince and Russell the satisfaction of knowing 546 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,800 where he'd buried Mary Lou. 547 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,840 I'll forever have the pain of losing my mom. 548 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,680 I am trying to find her so I can bring her home, 549 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,400 as human beings we want that closure, 550 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,120 letting her rest in peace 551 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:29,000 instead of buried like trash in a shallow grave somewhere. 552 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,000 Maybe it's beautiful, 553 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,160 maybe it's picturesque 554 00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:34,800 if there's a river there and mountains or something. 555 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:41,720 But there's an unexplainable feeling of wanting to know where she is. 556 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:43,840 [birds chirping] 557 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,560 [Penny] Even now, I still feel that there's somebody missing. 558 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:59,560 [Director] Do you think one of your ways of coping was this fight for justice? 559 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:00,840 Oh, absolutely. 560 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,080 Law enforcement failed us time and time again. 561 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,720 Our family was the only point of cohesion, 562 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,920 the only constant. 563 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,720 Now to an update on a story 564 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,880 which we have reported on North West Tonight 565 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,840 several times in the past, the murders of the Manchester couple 566 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,400 Chris Farmer and Peta Frampton on a yacht, 40 years ago in Guatemala. 567 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,000 Well, their families were told the remains had been lost forever 568 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,840 and even the FBI couldn't find them, 569 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,240 but new clues led Chris' sister to a remote graveyard. 570 00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:38,560 {\an8}[Audrey] When you lose somebody the most devastating thing is 571 00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:45,560 everybody else forgets them, but you don't, and you don't want to. 572 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,960 [Penny] What survives after death is love. 573 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,800 As a hurt party you want justice. 574 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,360 It doesn't make amends, 575 00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,320 but you at least feel 576 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:06,520 {\an8}that you have done everything you can to have avenged their murders. 577 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,840 - [Penny] Found them! - [man] What? 578 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,440 - [Penny] I've found Chris! - That's amazing. 579 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,640 It's extraordinary, isn't it? 580 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,680 {\an8}[Penny] I was just amazed to find them. 581 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,520 {\an8}It was such a relief. 582 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:31,160 Boston never counted on us having the fortitude and strength and love 583 00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:34,040 to fight back for Chris and Peta. 584 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:42,880 He thought they would be just forgotten and disappear into that ocean 585 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,360 never to be seen again. 586 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:47,880 But how wrong was he? 587 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:53,520 They will live on in a different sort of way, on a different plane. 588 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,160 [instrumental music playing] 51263

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