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My job was to stay awake and guard Peta.
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She's tied up, no clothes on.
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I don't wanna be a part of this,but I have no choice.
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What were my choices?
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A snitch, to my dad,
was the worst possible thing you could be.
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It's worse than murder
in his mind, you know.
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If you did that, you were pretty muchsigning your death warrant.
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He's gonna come after you.
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You snitch, you die.
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{\an8}Awful, dreadful, black despair.
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I went to the doctor, I said,
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"I can't sleep.Could I have sleeping pills?"
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And I remember the doctor saying,
"There is no medication for grief."
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{\an8}It was the front page, and it was them...
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{\an8}...just smiling out of the newspaper.
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{\an8}And I just was rooted to the spot.
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{\an8}"That's not true. It's not them."
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{\an8}Anything, anything, other than
it had happened and it was them.
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{\an8}They were dead
and nothing was gonna bring them back.
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I'd listened to Chris' tapes,
just to hear his voice.
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Hello, everyone, and happy birthday, Pen.
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I hope you like your birthday present.
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There's loads of different waysof tying a sarong,
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but if you can't work it,maybe you could go to the library
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and get a book on designand see how they do it.
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Happy birthday again. Bye now.
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There was just a huge question mark.
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What had happened at sea,
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and why had it happened
to my brother and Peta?
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The finding of the bodies
was on the 8th of July,
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{\an8}which of course is only eight days...
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{\an8}...after they were last known to be alive
at Hunting Caye, on the 29th.
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The bodies were only visiblebecause they were too near the surface.
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The ropes attaching them to the weights
were too long.
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That made it clear that they had beenput in the sea from a boat.
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The only boat we knewthey were ever on was the Justin B.
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Peta and Chris had been with usfor about two weeks, I think.
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The party had finished on Hunting Caye,and we were back on the water.
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Dad is still in the partying mood.
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{\an8}We're making him these Justin Bs and
he's drinking them one after the other.
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It was Jamaican rum,
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cane sugar, honey, limes, coconut juice.
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He's, "Another Justin B, goddamn it!"
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At first, he was a party guy,
happy-go-lucky, everything was great.
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But after drinking a few more drinks,
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he would, kind of, he would eventually
hit a brick wall with his mood.
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He starts yelling at my brother, Russ,
"Make me some fucking rice, Russ!"
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Over and over.
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And Russ was trying to keep him happy,
but it just...
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There's no satisfying him
when he's like that.
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Nothing was ever good enough for him.
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He tells Russ to go up on topside
and pull the anchor.
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And Dad ambushes him.
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Just starts pummelling him,
for who knows what reason.
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Chris and Peta say,
"Stop, enough, leave him alone."
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Dad says, "Don't you fucking tell me
how to raise my kids."
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Takes a swing at Chris.
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Chris ducks out of the way,
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Dad falls overboard.
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Dad's in the water.
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He's just glaring in silence,
looking at Chris and Peta.
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I think Chris said something like,
"Maybe that'll cool you off."
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Chris bends over, offers him a hand
and says, "Come on, back on board."
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You could tell he was very angry.
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I think that a line had been crossed.
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It's okay for him to humiliate us kids,
but not for him to be humiliated.
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He says to us...
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"We need to get rid of these people."
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I remember saying,
"Oh, shit, now what's gonna happen?'"
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The next day, he tells them
that he's gonna drop 'em off
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in a little fishing village
called Livingston, in Guatemala.
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We make our way,
not all the way into the port,
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but we drop anchor quite a ways out.
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And Dad says,
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"Okay, we don't have the proper visas
for Guatemala.
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We have to wait until sunset,
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then we'll pull in closer,
and you guys can get off the boat."
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They seemed relieved that their part
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of the Justin B journey
was going to be over.
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After a while, Dad tells Chris,
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"Go to the front and pull up anchor.
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We're gonna pull in now,
it's dark enough."
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Dad walks up behind him.
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He has a black billy club.
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He hits him over and over and over.
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He's bleeding, and Chris is screaming,
"What's your game? What's your game?"
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Dad just continues beating him,
until Chris just drops down on the deck.
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He hit him so hard he broke his skull.
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I could hear the bones cracking,
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and eventually he hit him so hard
that he broke the billy club.
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I was thinking,
"What can I do? Can I intervene?"
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But I'm just a skinny, scrawny kid.
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And then he pulls out a filet knife.
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Stabs him in the chest.
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Peta pops her head up from the galley,
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and he threatens
to shoot her with the spear gun
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if she doesn't stay down below deck.
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He grabs a rope and ties Chris up.
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Then he goes down in the galley with Peta,
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and the top hatch is covered.
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He's down there for quite a while.
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For over an hour, I think.
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When he's finished...
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he comes back up,
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he hands me a Coleman Lantern.
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He says, "Your job is to go downin the galley and keep an eye on Peta."
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She's tied up, no clothes on.
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He had taken her clothes off.
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She was seething mad,
which she should have been.
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She must have had fear,but she wasn't showing it.
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She is telling me,
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"You're gonna burn in hell."
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And I'm thinking, "Maybe she's right."
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My mind is racing.
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I don't wanna be a part of this,but I have no choice.
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What were my choices?
To try to overpower my dad?
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I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you
if that would've happened.
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I was just praying
for the night to be over,
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that we could let them go in the morning,
like Dad said he was gonna do.
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{\an8}The next morning,all around us there's dark water.
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Chris is still alive,
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tied up at the front of the boat, hogtied.
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Peta's at the aft of the boat.
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He has them tied like this,
their hands, their wrists together,
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their ankles, their feet together,
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and then another
connecting length of rope,
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so they can't lift up.
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And Dad was telling them,
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"I'm going to let you off,
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tie you to a tree,
and then we're gonna sail away."
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And that's what I thought
was going to happen.
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Dad says, "I'm gonnaput a plastic bag over your head.
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You'll still be able to breathe,
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but I don't want you to see
exactly where we are."
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Couldn't see their faces,
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but I can imagine the terror.
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Dad goes below deck,
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grabs one of the large gears
that was used for ballast.
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Looks like a giant cog made of iron.
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And he doesn't just drop it,
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he eases it down behind Chris,
onto the deck.
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And then he walks backand does the same thing with Peta.
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He starts tying this connecting rope
from their ankles and wrists
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onto this gear, this piece of machinery.
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You hope that he's not doing what it...
what you think he's gonna do.
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But at that point he is unstoppable.
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He says, "Okay, I'm gonna let you go now.We're right next to the shore."
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Which is not true,
we're in the middle of the ocean.
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He tells them,
"Everything's fine, we're here."
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Takes the weight, throws that over.
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And I'm thinking,"This can't be happening,"
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and my knees are just shaking,and Russ as well.
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He picks Chris and rolls him off.
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I see Chris being
yanked down very quickly,
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and then he just disappears
into inky blackness,
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and you see bubbles rising up.
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Peta's screaming, "What's going on?
What's going on? Chris, are you okay?"
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There was no answer.
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Dad takes her weight, throws that over...
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and then rolls her off the side.
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And then she just disappeared
into the depths.
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He looked at his watch.
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A couple of minutes laterhe says, "They're dead now."
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To watch you own father,
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someone that you trust,
that's supposed to be protecting you,
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murdering two innocent people
in front of your own eyes...
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I'm thinking, "Maybe we're next."
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And he looked at us and said,"You snitch, you die."
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And I knew he meant it.
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No one talked for a while.
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And we just kept sailing.
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After their bodies were found,
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we were just living with the fact that
Chris had been tortured, murdered,
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{\an8}but we didn't know why.
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Dad could only thinkthat Boston was the culprit.
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Who else could it have been?
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But there was no evidence to prove that.
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I already knew from the enquiries
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that Boston was notthe ordinary law-abiding citizen.
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Quite the contrary, in fact.
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His wife disappeared in 1968
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under strange circumstances.
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There was no evidencethat she was still alive.
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And he was suspected of being involved
in her disappearance.
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So, that raised suspicions even more.
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I was convinced
that Boston had murdered them.
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{\an8}We go back to Sacramento, Roseville,
where my grandma lived.
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Having a hard time sleeping,
having a lot of nightmares.
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I would be swimming
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and something would grab me on the ankles
and start pulling me down.
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I'm waking up in a cold sweat
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and just reliving that
over and over and over.
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My grandma asked me, "What's wrong?
I know there's something wrong, tell me."
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And I trusted her,
so I told her exactly what happened,
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the people that he murdered in front of
my brother and I, and she was horrified.
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And she's like...
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"Do not talk about things like that.
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"If they find out that your dad did it,
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"you'll never see him again,
you'll be an orphan."
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She never reported him or turned him in.
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She knew that he was killing people.
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And she already knew about my mom.
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She told us.
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She told us when we were,
like, little kids.
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It was during Christmas time,
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she's like, "You know,I don't wanna lie to you kids.
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"There is no Santa Claus.
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"I'm the one buying these presents.
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"Also, you're never gonna see
your mom again."
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And we're like, "Why?"
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She's like, "Well, let me tell you.
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"You know, your dad killed your mom,
he shot her."
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She said that he murdered my mom
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when she wanted to take us away
and divorce him.
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My grandma had helped cover it up,and years later here it is again.
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She's protecting him again.
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Would she have ever told on her son?
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Never, ever.
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Everyone knew about it, but no one
would do anything against my dad.
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The man that's supposed to protect you
is also your worst enemy.
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He killed your mother,
and he's gotten away with it.
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And he lets you know over and over
that you're worthless,
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and if you snitch on him
that he would easily end your life.
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It's not a big deal to him.
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Coming to that realisation as a child,
it is a pretty scary thing,
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and you realise that you don't have anyone
that loves you,
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and you can't trust anyone,
especially your own parent.
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And that's the reality of it.
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I wanted Boston.
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I would've just loved
to put my hand on his shoulder.
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But that couldn't be, of course.
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He had disappeared.
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All throughout 1980, there was nothing.
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Absolute nothing.Boston couldn't be found.
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He just went on the run.
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Next thing we heard was in February, 1981.
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Boston had come back
onto the radar in California.
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He was arrested for the abductionof one of his children,
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a four-year-old that wasn't on the boat.
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It was great. We really felt confident
that the case was moving forward.
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My name is Jim Kelly,
I was a detective sergeant
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{\an8}with the San Rafael, California,
Police Department.
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My specific caseloadwas crimes against children.
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Dealing with kids, dealing with parents,
dealing with schools.
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I received a message from Interpol.
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Boston was a suspect in a double homicide
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and that the Greater Manchester Police
in England were investigating this.
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This is more than I could ever
have anticipated or expected.
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It was during the questioning
about the child abduction
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that Sergeant Jim Kelly questioned him
about Chris and Peta.
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I had a very thick binder, and the binder
was labelled, you know, "homicides,"
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and it had the names of the two victims.
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And he took one look at the binder
and his entire composure changed.
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He sat back
and he looked at me and he said,
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"Oh, now I know why you guys have made
such a big deal out of this."
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I have to get as much information
out of him as I can
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for the Greater Manchester Police
and the family of the victims.
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So, I started up basically saying that,
"Tell me about this trip.
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"Tell me about these people on your boat.
Tell me where you went."
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He said he first met themin a hotel in Belize.
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He agreed to take them on his boat,but he told me they were deadbeats.
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He claims that during the voyage
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Peta Frampton was consuming
what he described as a lot of alcohol,
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and that Chris Farmer was injecting
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some type of drugs
into his arm with a needle.
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I knew that Bostonhad made these allegations before.
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There was no evidence that Chris and Petawere ever involved in the drug trade.
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This is Silas Boston throwing me a cookie
that he thinks I'm gonna go chase.
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And he said that a boat came alongwith what he described as two natives.
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He didn't explain why,
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but he said that the victimsgot on this boat with the natives.
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That was his story.
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He was very elusive, evasive
about any specific dates, times.
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But when it came to his arrival
in Livingston, Guatemala,
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he all of a sudden knew
the exact date, July 16th, 1978.
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He said, "I think I saw them
when I was there."
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I don't think he knew at this point
that the bodies had been found.
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Peta Frampton's parents
had received a letter
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that was postmarked
in Livingston, July 18th.
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{\an8}Chris and Peta's bodieswere found on July 8th.
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{\an8}They couldn't have posted the letter.
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{\an8}So, who did?
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I leaned across the table,
and I looked at him,
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and I said, "Did you kill
Chris Farmer and Peta Frampton?"
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Instead of saying no, he looked at me
with his head cocked,
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and he has the darkest,
beadiest little eyes that I've ever seen,
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and he said, "I told you,
the last time I thought I saw them
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"was in Livingston on July 16th."
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That told me right there, this guy did it.
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He was responsible
for these two homicides.
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He just wouldn't admit it.
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I knew he was guilty,
but I had no hold on Silas Duane Boston,
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I had no legal right to detain him.
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I couldn't do anything
about the homicides.
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I sent a full report to Interpol,
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asking them to forward it
to the Greater Manchester Police.
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So, Silas Duane Boston was at that point
a free man with no charges pending.
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We were just left questioning
what the hell was going on, really.
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How could he just be released?
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My parents were adamant that attemptsshould be made to talk to the two boys.
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Interviewing Russell and Vincent was key.
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They would've been the only witnesses
to the homicides.
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But no one knew where they were,and without them we had no evidence.
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We couldn't understand
why no one was doing anything.
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Even David Sackshad been taken off the case.
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Every day that went by,
the case just went colder and colder.
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The assistant chief constable
in Manchester rang up
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and said that he'd got a photograph
of Boston, and would I like to see it.
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I remember this guy saying to me,
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"We know that this chap did it,
but we can't pin it on him."
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It was just like a bomb
had exploded in our family
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and we were left to pick up the pieces
without any answers.
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The most distressing thingI've ever heard my mother say
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was the best part of her lifewas now over.
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Obviously, it was very traumatic for her.
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I don't think I'd entirely
realised at the time.
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I was quite involved in my own distress.
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I used to write long letters to him...
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...every birthday, every Christmas.
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Just really telling him how I felt,how we missed him.
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Although it was senseless really,
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it was a, sort of, a continuation,
as though he was still alive.
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How long did you do that for?
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Four years. Four years.
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I never forgot what happened on the boat.
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{\an8}I just wanted to get away.
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When I was 17,I joined the navy.
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I felt a little bit of freedom,
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away from the craziness
of the Boston crime family.
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I knew that Chris and Petahad loved ones somewhere in England.
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The way I felt about my mom is
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I would wanna know
every detail what happened.
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I figured that they would
wanna know the same.
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My brother and I wereeyewitnesses to the murders.
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I've got to do something.I've gotta try.
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I took it upon myself to try to call
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the police in Great Britain,
called Scotland Yard.
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I said that me and my brother
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witnessed my dad murdering two people,
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two British citizens,
Chris Farmer and Peta Frampton.
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But it was such an unusual coincidence
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that, at that time, Peter Frampton
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was one of the biggest stars
in the world, the singer,
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and she had the same name.
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I thought they thought I was a kook.
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Dad never ever spoke about Chris, really.
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But...
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Sorry.
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But, you know, when I was getting married,
he just said...
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There's only just one little thing
we're very sorry about,
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and that is that Penny's brother
Christopher couldn't be with us.
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And that just completely set me off.
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It would've been so nice
to have had Chris there.
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Life does move on,and you do paper over the cracks.
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But it's always in the shadows.
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It's never very far from the surface.
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I left the navy and became an engineer.
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I never stopped thinking about my mom.
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I wanted to find where she was buried,you know, and bring her home.
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But it seemed like
every time I would reach out,
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I was being ignored or pushed aside
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and just, like, "How come these people
aren't taking these murders seriously?"
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But I refused to give up.
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My brother Russellrefused to give up as well.
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In January of 1999,
I received a telephone call,
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and I was informed that Russell Boston
had publicly revealed
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that he did witness his father murder
Chris Farmer and Peta Frampton.
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"Yes! I got him. I got him."
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I sent a letter to Interpol in Washington,
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and I thought, "If I get the permission
from the Greater Manchester Police
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"to interview one or both of those boys,"
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I would've run with that
faster than the wind.
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I never received any kind of a reply.
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There was never really anyone
that was in charge of the case fully,
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both in America and over here.
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When the Internet arrived in 2001,
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Dad was writing emails
to law enforcement agencies,
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looking for Duane Boston and his two sons.
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In 2012, I wanted to reach out again.I didn't wanna give up.
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I got a hold ofthe Sacramento Police Department,
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sent all the informationthat I could about the murder.
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I hadn't talked to my dadfor years and years.
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He thought he was gonna get away with it,
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{\an8}and I wanted to make himaccountable for his crimes.
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Sacramento Police Departmentspent a lot of time
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talking to FBI and Interpoland British authorities.
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I felt that that was the first time
I was being taken seriously.
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But they just kept hitting a brick wall.
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{\an8}No one could findany record of Chris and Peta.
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{\an8}They told me, "Be patient,"and I had very little patience.
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{\an8}It's like, "Why can't they find them?
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"When... How long do we have to wait?"
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Dad was haunted by Chris' death,
because it was so inexplicable.
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He died in 2013,
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still not knowingwhat happened to his son.
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Your parents you expect to lose,
but not your kids.
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And you never really get over that.
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Birthdays and anniversaries came and went.
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Mum reaching 90, and Chris was not there.
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One day, Mum turns to me and says,
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"I wonder what Chris
would've looked like now.
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"He would've been 62,
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"but he's forever youngin our eyes, isn't he?"
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I stopped dead, and I literally ran home.
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"Why have I not looked for these peopleon the Internet before?"
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{\an8}She found him, just like that.
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It was quite extraordinary.
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Just could not believe that I am looking
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at the person who we have always,
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always felt held the key
to their disappearance and murders.
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It's just mind-blowing.
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I look at his posts,
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and I can seethat he's referenced a news link...
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...and it's presented as a miracle of God
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{\an8}that the occupantis able to escape drowning.
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{\an8}I'm thinking, "Well, is there a link thereto Chris and Peta's drowning?"
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I can see that.
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he's friends with Russell,
but not with Vince.
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Why isn't he friends
with his eldest son?
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I put in "Vince Boston."
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I can see posts abouthis mother, Mary Lou.
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She disappeared back in 1968.
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Vince made a reference to his motherbeing killed by a shotgun.
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My eyes are out on stalks at this point.
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Just could not believe
that the very people
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that we have been searching for
for nearly four decades
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are there in front of me
on my computer screen.
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I felt angry.
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{\an8}They have possibly watched
my brother and his girlfriend be murdered,
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{\an8}and never told anybody.
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We need to get in touchwith them, urgently.
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I message Vince and Russell
from an anonymous Facebook account,
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which I had created to just keep an eye
on my three teenage kids.
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"Were you on the Justin B back in 1978
with my brother and his girlfriend?
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{\an8}"Please reply. I want some information."
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"I think you know what happenedon that boat. I'm not gonna let this go."
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He's my brother's killer, and he's out...
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and he's free.
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00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:52,160
Penny called the cold case unit,
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{\an8}and I was the detectivewho picked up the phone.
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It was just unbelievable.
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She was convinced that she had foundthe suspect, Silas Duane Boston,
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{\an8}and his two sons who were on the boat.
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She wanted us to go
and arrest him right away.
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But when I searched for the case
on our records within GMP,
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I found absolutely nothing.
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No trace whatsoever.
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We find that unbelievable.
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Not a scrap of anything
from the '70s or '80s,
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just nothing in the archives.
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Audrey Farmer remembered
the name of the police officer
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that had conducted the investigation
back in the 1970s.
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I rang him the same day.
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Michaela explained to me thatthey couldn't find any documentation.
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How that could conceivably happen was...
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Well, it just defeated me.
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I said, "Hang on a minute,
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"I've got a complete copy of everything
in my garden shed."
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{\an8}There in David's files we had
court records, official documents,
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{\an8}naming the people on the boat.
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We've got the autopsies, dental records,
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Pete's last letter,all sorts of valuable evidence.
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Now we can run with this.
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Greater Manchester Police contactedInterpol and got a response immediately.
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A police officer
in the Sacramento Police Department
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was looking at Silas Duane Boston.
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She'd interviewed Vince in relationto the disappearance of his mother.
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He's told her that he'd witnessed his dad
murder a young couple on the boat.
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We were calledto Greater Manchester Police.
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They had Vince and Russell's statements.
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I couldn't get my head around it.
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After four decades of silence,
of not knowing,
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we were finally
going to find out the truth.
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They wanted to spare us
some of the more grisly details,
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but it wouldn't have been complete
without knowing, really.
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The information we receivedthat afternoon was horrendous.
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We came out stunned and shellshocked.
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You often wonder
what their last words were,
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00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,600
but that's inevitable.
480
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They were alive
when they went into the water.
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I just keep thinking,"What was she thinking?
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"What was she thinking?"
483
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,400
He just completely destroyed them.
484
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:43,120
And the fact that those two boys
had to witness that, it was horrendous.
485
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,440
For years we were told that the boyshad been hiding from the police,
486
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,360
and that wasn't true, of course, at all.
487
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:02,640
Vince and Russell, particularly Vince,
did try to do something.
488
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,680
But Greater Manchester Policeclosed the case down.
489
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:15,840
So, every time the phone call
came in to this country from California,
490
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,600
it was like somebody
was filing it in a bin.
491
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,560
Nobody was investigating Boston.
492
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,640
It's mind-blowing, really.
493
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,960
They said,
"We'll never let the case close."
494
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,920
And of course, they did.
495
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,760
That's just what they did.
496
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,760
So wrong.
497
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,680
So terribly wrong.
498
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,640
Finally, things are progressing,
and the wheels were turning.
499
00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:06,000
I wanted justice for my mom,
and Chris and Peta.
500
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,560
Here we were,opposite sides of the Atlantic,
501
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,000
both looking at the case.
502
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,840
There was no way that I was gonna letBoston slip away again.
503
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,680
We were told that the FBI have enough
evidence against him,
504
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,000
and he was going to be arrested.
505
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,920
My dad committed these crimes,
and he deserved to face judgement.
506
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:38,440
How could anybody do
what he did to Chris and Peta?
507
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,040
We'll never rest until Boston's in prison.
508
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,280
I figured the sooner an arrest,the better.
509
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:55,600
Then all of a sudden...
510
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,320
my dad reached out to me on Facebook.
511
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,880
{\an8}"Hey dude, what's up?"
512
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,840
{\an8}I'm thinking, "What is going on?
What is he thinking? Does he know?"
513
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,080
I can imagine him thinking,
514
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:19,560
"That little fucking snitch.
Wait 'til I get my hands on him."
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