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The desperation, in some sense,
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was more severe than I see here
in -- in America.
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You know, you hear about
the rough side of London.
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I always knew that it existed.
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I just never knew that, in
London, you could slip so low.
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People are desperate.
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You have people who would give
these kids a shopping list
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of things to go and steal,
knowing that they're on drugs.
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[ Door closes, creaking ]
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Williams: Our goal is just to
simply show the world a window
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as to why people do
the things they do
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and where that desperation
comes from.
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It's like they say,
"When the system fails you,
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you create your own system."
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[ Bells jingling ]
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It's Black Friday.
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It's regarded as the beginning
of the holiday shopping season,
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but this day has become
the busiest
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and the biggest day
of the year in Britain...
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for shoplifters.
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Now what's interesting
about this story
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is what they actually steal --
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a leg of lamb, turkey,
anything that this community
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may not necessarily
be able to afford.
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And we're about to meet up
with a couple
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who shoplift to support
their drug habit.
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[ Horns honking ]
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[ Horns honking ]
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Williams:
This is Ronni and Dennis.
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They're addicted to drugs.
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You know, heroin,
crack cocaine.
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Last year, in the UK, almost
every type of crime was down
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except shoplifting.
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And I'm here to find out why.
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-Michael.
-Michael. That's right.
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-Come in. This is Dennis.
-It's nice to meet you.
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Dennis. Michael, boss.
Good to meet you.
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Come in.
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Yeah.
I went into there and took,
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um, these...
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men care kits.
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Ronni: The people cannot get
enough of them at the moment.
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And I got a iron.
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Well, I mean, it does look --
sound stupid to nick an iron,
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but people do buy it.
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Dennis:
All cops are bastards.
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Williams:
How old are you guys?
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Dennis: Me, I'm 21.
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I'm 26.
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How long have you been
shoplifting?
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-Under a year.
-Okay.
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But Dennis, since I've meet him,
you've been...
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Yeah, I've been shoplifting
since I've been a little kid.
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Are you stealing
to support your habit?
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Yeah.
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And, like, people will ask us
to steal certain things.
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Things like meat,
for instance.
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So, people submit
shopping lists to you?
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[ Chuckles ] Yeah.
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Almost every day, don't we?
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Yeah.
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How did you start
using drugs?
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Me, I started heroin
at 13.
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You were 13 years old?
Yeah.
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Was injected by a person
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that I've looked up to
like an older brother.
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How'd you get
started using?
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The drug has been in my life
since I was born.
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I was born
addicted to heroin.
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My mom was using
when I was growing up.
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We both take heroin and crack.
£50 each, roughly.
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Yeah.
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You get no judgment
from -- from me.
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You know what I mean?
Um, I've had my own,
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um, bout with narcotics, and
it's an everyday struggle, so...
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Do you ever wonder, if you took
just 20% of all that energy
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and put it towards something
else, where you might end up?
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We talk about that a lot,
don't we?
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Yeah, we talk about
that a lot.
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But we know that this isn't,
for us, a long-term lifestyle.
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Excuse me.
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[ Laughter ]
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[ Man laughs ]
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Phil: Aye.
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In a UK context, the poor
have been getting poorer,
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while the rich
have been getting richer.
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After the financial
crash in 2008,
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the government in 2010 decides
that the way to respond
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is to cut public spending.
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That's health services.
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That's services
for family and children.
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What inequality means,
increasingly,
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is that your background
dictates your future.
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Man: One of the first acts
of Britain's
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new coalition government
back in June
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was an emergency budget
announcing
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swingeing cuts
to public spending.
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We act on behalf of everyone
who knows that Britain
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has got to live
within its means.
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[ Crowd chanting ]
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Butler: Welfare benefits
are harder to get,
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and one of the ways in which
people have responded
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is survival crime.
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They're stealing basics.
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They're stealing bread
and milk and baby food.
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We're also seeing people
who are deciding to go
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to the black market because
that's one of the ways
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in which they can afford
to buy certain foodstuffs.
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Williams: Dennis has been
arrested for shoplifting
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three times
in the past two years.
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So, um, what were the things
that you got caught shoplifting?
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It was meat.
£200 worth of meat.
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And another one, £101.
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Okay.
All right.
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So what do you think
your chances are?
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I think, hopefully
I'm going to get out.
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-Yeah.
-Come on then.
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So we'll be waiting
for you, man.
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Let me know what's going on.
All right.
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All right, buddy,
y'all be safe.
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All right. All right.
All right, Ronni.
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Ronni: Okay.
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You know, if anybody knows
my story, you know,
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I've -- I've not been the most
model in citizen
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in -- in the whole world.
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I've been in some
dark places myself,
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and for me to be alive
is a blessing.
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Let's face it, you know?
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These -- These two kids,
man, they --
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You know, both of them
got hooked on drugs,
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one born addicted
from her mother,
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and him 13 years old
got turned out.
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[ Chuckles ]
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What happened?
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They gave me a £500 fine.
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And I've got to go
to a drug appointment at 12:00.
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-A drug appointment?
-Yeah.
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-Like -- Like a rehab?
-Yeah.
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Ronni: Like a rehab, yeah.
Nine months.
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How you feel about that?
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I feel quite pleased,
actually.
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You ready to do it?
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Yeah, I mean I've done
eight years on drugs.
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And now I think
it's time to get off it.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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What's the agenda
for right now?
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We're going to go back home
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and get some stuff
that we've got, just so...
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And score one last time.
[ Laughs ]
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Yeah.
I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Score, yeah.
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Score one last time
before tomorrow.
Yeah, I mean --
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Williams: All right.
So, Dennis and Ronni went home
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and they picked up their last
little bit of stolen goods,
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and they're gonna sell it,
take the money,
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and go buy drugs, hopefully,
for the last time.
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It has been
a really long day.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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-Yeah.
-Yeah.
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The -- The pub owners
allow you
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to go into the store
and sell in there?
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Into the pub -- yeah?
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-Yeah. Discreetly.
-Yeah.
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What is all of this?
What do you got?
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We got makeup sets,
gift sets, and steaks.
[ Coughs ] Little gift sets.
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Right. Right.
Christmas gifts today.
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If he changes his mind, says,
"No, I don't want you
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to come into the store,"
then what would you do?
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Go somewhere else, then.
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-Go somewhere else, yeah.
-Go somewhere else?
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[ Conversing indistinctly ]
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Dennis: Honestly.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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A lot of people say,
"Oh, thieves need to be hung."
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[ Ronni scoffs ]
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Look at us
like the scum of the earth.
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But at the end of the day,
we're just trying to get by
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on a system
that's failed us completely.
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Obviously, yeah, we're helping
ourselves by shoplifting.
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But we're also --
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we help the people
that buy the stuff off us.
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Like, they couldn't be
more grateful.
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[ Horns honking ]
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That was the last hurrah?
That's the last of it, huh?
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-Yeah.
-So what are you gonna do now?
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Tomorrow I start the drug
treat-- treatment, yeah.
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Yeah. A new year, whole new
fresh outlook on life, you know?
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Yeah.
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Hugs! Hugs!
Bring it in! Bring it in!
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Good luck.
Don't kill yourself, hear?
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-Yeah.
-Please. For real?
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-Yeah.
-All right, bro?
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Williams: So, we left
the streets of London
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and took a four-hour drive
to Liverpool.
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It reminded me
a lot of Baltimore.
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Like, they're both port cities.
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The drugs that flood those
city's streets in Liverpool
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are on a different level
than the city of London
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and, you know, you mix that
with no resources, no jobs,
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and shoplifting is on the rise.
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We met up with a mother of two,
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and she had to revert to a black
market to feed her family.
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[ Knock on door ]
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-How are you doing?
-Hello.
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-Hello.
-Come in.
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Hey, thank you for
welcoming us into your home.
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I understand you have
a hookup on certain things
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you may need, um, like,
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supplies and stuff
to support your family.
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How do y--
How do you get that?
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You know, me coming from a --
a poverty-stricken community
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my-- myself --
I grew up in --
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in the projects in --
in Brooklyn.
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Mm-hmm.
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And, grace of God, my mother,
she never had to do this.
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Yeah.
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And, um, they're just
shoplifting to get money
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to support themselves
or are they on drugs, like --
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Williams: She is basically
on hard times.
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Mental illness, no job,
no benefits.
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She has no way right now
to feed her family.
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Williams: Gillian is basically
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Liverpool's version
of Ronni and Dennis.
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But her situation
is a little bit more desperate.
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[ Gillian coughing ]
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-Hey.
-Okay.
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Pork.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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See? It's these three.
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Woman: The biggest myth people
have about drug users --
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There's lots,
but I think the biggest one
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is that are stupid.
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If you got a £50 a day
habit on heroin,
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you're gonna have
to work pretty hard.
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So you're not lazy.
You know your money.
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You can work out how much
you get in the daytime
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and how much you need to use.
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And it's just
persistent like that.
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Funny to go out raising,
stealing, and I'm busy.
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And they are busy.
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Williams:
So, what do we have here?
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Yeah.
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¶¶
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How long do you see yourself
surviving like this?
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Wendy: Um...
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-Yeah. Thank you so much.
-You're welcome.
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I want to send bless-- blessings
to your family, all the best.
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-Yeah, you, too.
-Thank you.
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-Can I give you a hug?
-Of course! Oh!
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[ Chuckles ]
Merry Christmas.
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You, too, as well.
All the best.
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All right. All right.
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Bye.
Bye.
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Williams: You could see
that she wasn't proud
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of what she was doing.
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But, you know, you have to eat.
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You know, I was curious
to find out
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who was really benefiting
from this black market.
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¶¶
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What's up, man?
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So I understand you, uh,
you move heroin?
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Yeah. Okay.
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You're aware
they're stealing
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things in the community
t-to sell to make --
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Yeah. And out of 10
of your customers,
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how many of them
are out there, um, stealing,
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um, to -- to make
the money to get to you?
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Do you see that as an issue
in your community?
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Mm-hmm.
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What would you like to see
change in this community?
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[ Man laughing ]
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¶¶
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Williams:
Stephen French basically...
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Man, this dude used to be one of
the most notorious gangsters
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in Liverpool.
Morning.
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There's probably nothing
on those streets of Liverpool
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that Stephen hasn't done
a little bit of
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and had a little bit of
done to him.
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This is a form
of black market
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where people take
the stolen goods
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and sell them to the community
who can't afford
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to feed their families.
Yeah.
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That is --
That's dysfunctional.
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Yeah, right.
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Yeah, right?
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...yeah, right...
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Mm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yep.
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...yeah, right...
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¶¶
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Williams:
You know, Dennis and Ronni,
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they really touched
my heart, you know?
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I -- I s-- I saw so much
of myself in them.
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So, um, we checked up on them.
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[ Lighter clicks ]
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Just go on.
Coming back to normality
that I wanted.
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[ Lighter clicks ]
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And Dennis can, as well.
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So we're happy. Yeah.
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I'm going to completely go back
to being the old Dennis.
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Doing weights, running,
getting healthy again.
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Yeah. We want to,
in the next year...
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get clean
and start trying for a family.
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That's what we want.
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My fear --
My only fear is that
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we're not
going to give up in time
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and Dennis is going to get
one bad hit and die,
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to be honest,
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because I've lost my mum
to this drug that way.
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I lost my ex-boyfriend
of four years that way,
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to this drug.
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And that's why I'm so desperate
to just get rid of it
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as soon --
as soon as we can,
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because I don't want...
to have that one bad hit --
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and have that for Dennis,
as well.
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It would break my heart.
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A lot.
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A lot. Sorry.
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Dennis: Here. Found it.
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¶¶
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¶¶
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[ Sighs ]
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Being with Dennis and Ronni,
it was, uh...
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it was tough for me.
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I-I see myself, and I'm in a lot
of different ways.
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I know in my heart
that they deserve
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a -- a -- a real shot at life.
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It's a really nasty,
vicious, uh, uh, cycle.
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And the system that's been put
in play, you know, by poverty.
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I was like, "Wow."
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Things could go very wrong very
fast in the UK if you're poor.
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