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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,180 --> 00:00:03,210 , 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,460 New York City, it was -- 3 00:00:05,560 --> 00:00:09,400 it was I felt like I had been cheated. 4 00:00:09,490 --> 00:00:11,250 How do I not know that all of this 5 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,190 is going on right under my nose? 6 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,460 Michael: Right now, how many illegal 7 00:00:19,570 --> 00:00:21,610 poker games exist in New York City? 8 00:00:21,710 --> 00:00:23,410 -All five boroughs? -Yeah. 9 00:00:23,510 --> 00:00:25,780 More than I could count. 10 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:27,250 It's just about the action. 11 00:00:27,340 --> 00:00:30,140 It's just about the...action. 12 00:00:30,250 --> 00:00:31,480 I guess I fold. 13 00:00:31,580 --> 00:00:33,510 I might as well give this money away. 14 00:00:33,620 --> 00:00:36,190 If you take a huge group of people that play poker, 15 00:00:36,290 --> 00:00:38,290 less than 5% will end up winners. 16 00:00:38,390 --> 00:00:41,430 If you are not part of that small percentage of winners, 17 00:00:41,530 --> 00:00:43,430 then you're a loser. 18 00:00:43,530 --> 00:00:47,230 [ Door creaks open ] 19 00:00:47,330 --> 00:00:49,570 Michael: Our goal is just to simply show the world 20 00:00:49,670 --> 00:00:53,670 a window as to why people do the things they do, 21 00:00:53,770 --> 00:00:55,810 where that desperation comes from. 22 00:01:01,210 --> 00:01:05,340 It's like they say, when the system fails you, 23 00:01:05,450 --> 00:01:07,850 you create your own system. 24 00:01:16,790 --> 00:01:19,460 "Black Market," NYC, Vice, baby. 25 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,220 This is what we doing tonight. 26 00:01:21,330 --> 00:01:25,530 I am about to be introduced to a whole 'nother city 27 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:30,680 that exists within the city that I was born and raised. 28 00:01:30,770 --> 00:01:32,670 You know, growing up, I saw a lot of gambling 29 00:01:32,780 --> 00:01:34,080 in my community. 30 00:01:34,180 --> 00:01:37,180 Rolling dice, craps, cee-lo. 31 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,090 But, you know, that wasn't really my thing at the time. 32 00:01:41,180 --> 00:01:42,540 I do know that a lot of people 33 00:01:42,650 --> 00:01:46,220 get sucked into this underground gambling scene. 34 00:01:46,320 --> 00:01:51,650 Why would you want to risk being robbed or shot or arrested? 35 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,120 I want to find out why so many people 36 00:01:54,230 --> 00:01:57,490 are willing to risk so much. 37 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,390 Right now, I'm about to go meet up 38 00:01:59,500 --> 00:02:01,960 with Christian Alexander. What's up, brother? 39 00:02:02,070 --> 00:02:05,130 He's one of the kings of the night life in New York, 40 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,700 and he's about to take me to one of the most notorious 41 00:02:07,810 --> 00:02:09,470 gambling spots in the city. 42 00:02:09,580 --> 00:02:11,750 [ Cellphone dings ] 43 00:02:11,850 --> 00:02:15,290 I just actually got a text, got the address. 44 00:02:15,390 --> 00:02:17,490 So basically, you have to be on this list, 45 00:02:17,590 --> 00:02:20,660 and you get a text giving you the whereabouts 46 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,430 and the dates of where this game's gonna be? 47 00:02:23,530 --> 00:02:24,760 It's usually the day of. 48 00:02:24,860 --> 00:02:26,660 It's hard to hit a moving target. 49 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,290 I'm a virgin to this world. 50 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,770 Tell me, what am I gonna walk into right now? 51 00:02:31,870 --> 00:02:35,470 I think it's better if we just see it and experience it. 52 00:02:35,570 --> 00:02:37,370 These are New York OGs. 53 00:02:37,470 --> 00:02:39,000 These are not, like, amateurs. 54 00:02:39,110 --> 00:02:40,680 So, bro, do I need to get frisked? 55 00:02:43,210 --> 00:02:44,840 You already know. I'm a team player. 56 00:02:47,350 --> 00:02:49,390 -Okay, my brother, I'm with you. -Third floor. 57 00:02:49,490 --> 00:02:51,890 [ Door closes ] [ Footstep echoing ] 58 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,220 It's a thin line between crime and entertainment. 59 00:02:56,330 --> 00:02:58,730 [ "Hundred Dolla Girlz" by Richard Charnock playing ] 60 00:03:09,270 --> 00:03:11,170 -What's up, bro? -What up, homie? 61 00:03:11,270 --> 00:03:12,630 Michael: What do you got going on here tonight? 62 00:03:12,740 --> 00:03:16,170 What game is this? Blackjack? I need in. 63 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,120 Michael: It was legal for me to gamble in those rooms. 64 00:03:19,220 --> 00:03:20,420 Hell, yeah. 65 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,750 What's the -- what's the minimum for the game? 66 00:03:22,850 --> 00:03:25,180 $20? All right. 67 00:03:25,290 --> 00:03:26,690 And what makes these games illegal 68 00:03:26,790 --> 00:03:29,600 is not the fact that people are losing their homes 69 00:03:29,690 --> 00:03:32,420 and their families and their kids' college tuitions 70 00:03:32,530 --> 00:03:34,030 on some of these tables. 71 00:03:34,130 --> 00:03:35,400 -What you doing, son? -Hit me. 72 00:03:35,500 --> 00:03:37,370 Michael: What makes these games illegal 73 00:03:37,470 --> 00:03:40,740 is when the house takes the cut. 74 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:42,170 They call it a rake. 75 00:03:42,270 --> 00:03:43,470 Hit me. 76 00:03:43,570 --> 00:03:45,070 I'm busted. 77 00:03:45,180 --> 00:03:46,350 The house always wins. 78 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,000 It's just like Vegas. 79 00:03:48,110 --> 00:03:50,070 We re in the business of pleasure. 80 00:03:50,180 --> 00:03:52,020 Gamblin is pleasurable. 81 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,220 Women are certainly pleasurable. 82 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:59,160 So we, as entrepreneurs, said, "Let's put 'em all together." 83 00:03:59,260 --> 00:04:00,490 You know, vice is vice, man. 84 00:04:00,590 --> 00:04:02,190 That s in our natures. 85 00:04:02,290 --> 00:04:04,620 Yeah, I'm putting $20, bro. I'm feeling lucky. 86 00:04:04,730 --> 00:04:06,330 I feel that Brooklyn love. 87 00:04:06,430 --> 00:04:08,600 Baby, I'm feeling lucky tonight. 88 00:04:08,700 --> 00:04:11,470 Nah! Oh! 89 00:04:11,570 --> 00:04:14,070 What did I tell you? I'm feeling lucky tonight! 90 00:04:14,170 --> 00:04:17,780 ♪♪ 91 00:04:25,180 --> 00:04:26,480 Michael: Everybody's in their own world 92 00:04:26,580 --> 00:04:28,310 and having fun, and it was safe. 93 00:04:28,420 --> 00:04:30,490 Not one argument, not one shove, nothing. 94 00:04:30,590 --> 00:04:33,590 It was just pure love. 95 00:04:33,690 --> 00:04:35,260 But make no mistake, 96 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,260 that party could have easily gone the other way. 97 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,290 Where there's darkness, there's danger. 98 00:04:42,730 --> 00:04:44,390 America's full of gamblers. 99 00:04:44,500 --> 00:04:45,760 Almost half the nation places 100 00:04:45,870 --> 00:04:48,570 some kind of bet at least once a year. 101 00:04:48,670 --> 00:04:51,500 I mean, there's casinos all over this country, 102 00:04:51,610 --> 00:04:55,310 regulated and taxed. 103 00:04:55,410 --> 00:04:58,710 But there's another side to this gambling world. 104 00:04:58,820 --> 00:05:00,550 Right now, we're at a poker game, 105 00:05:00,650 --> 00:05:03,960 an illegal poker game right here in New York City. 106 00:05:04,050 --> 00:05:06,250 Man: $25 is the bet. It's $20 more. 107 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,260 I'm gonna watch a little bit, yeah. 108 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:10,730 We're playing 2-5, no limit. 109 00:05:10,830 --> 00:05:12,260 Whatever's in front of you is in play, 110 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:13,590 so at any minute... 111 00:05:13,700 --> 00:05:15,300 -It could happen? -It could be gone. 112 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,440 [ Laughter ] 113 00:05:17,530 --> 00:05:19,130 What I don't understand is, 114 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:20,670 what is the excitement with the illegal thing? 115 00:05:20,770 --> 00:05:23,180 Why not just go to Vegas and -- -It's New York, man. 116 00:05:23,270 --> 00:05:25,500 Money here, finance. -There's a lot of money. 117 00:05:31,350 --> 00:05:34,020 Michael: There used to be clubs like this all over the city. 118 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,660 Some spots had up to, like, 20 tables. 119 00:05:37,750 --> 00:05:40,520 When the game got robbed in 2007, 120 00:05:40,620 --> 00:05:43,390 that changed the New York scene forever. 121 00:05:43,490 --> 00:05:46,090 A shooting at an illegal gambling site in Manhattan 122 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,170 leaves a 55-year-old man dead. 123 00:05:48,260 --> 00:05:49,620 Michael: I caught up with this dude, 124 00:05:49,730 --> 00:05:52,160 Robert Hanley, old-school New York. 125 00:05:52,270 --> 00:05:54,210 He was playing at that game. 126 00:05:54,300 --> 00:05:57,470 Boom! I hear the gunshot. 127 00:05:57,570 --> 00:06:00,940 Then I see a guy laying on the floor, 128 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:02,600 bleeding pretty bad on the ground. 129 00:06:02,710 --> 00:06:05,370 So, I actually stuck my fingers in his back 130 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,010 and grabbed the artery. 131 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,320 He lasted, I'd say, a minute and a half or so, 132 00:06:09,420 --> 00:06:11,290 then he passed away right in my arms. 133 00:06:11,390 --> 00:06:13,290 One of the guys that worked there says, 134 00:06:13,390 --> 00:06:15,230 "Why don't you take him to the alley and throw him 135 00:06:15,330 --> 00:06:16,730 out by the garbage 136 00:06:16,830 --> 00:06:19,360 so they won't find his body in here?" 137 00:06:19,460 --> 00:06:21,560 This is while the man's still alive. 138 00:06:21,660 --> 00:06:23,560 I told him, "If you don't get the...out of here, 139 00:06:23,670 --> 00:06:26,370 your body's gonna be behind a garbage can." 140 00:06:26,470 --> 00:06:28,210 What kind of humanity is there? 141 00:06:28,300 --> 00:06:29,700 He's thinking about money in his pocket. 142 00:06:29,810 --> 00:06:32,480 How does that incident change the game for you 143 00:06:32,580 --> 00:06:35,210 or for the game itself in general? 144 00:06:35,310 --> 00:06:37,010 That place had ten tables. 145 00:06:37,110 --> 00:06:39,980 There will never be another ten-table place ever again. 146 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,980 [ Buzzer sounds ] 147 00:06:43,090 --> 00:06:45,420 When the games are too big, police started to raid them. 148 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,020 It was too much money going on in there. 149 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,490 Nowadays, the games are a lot smaller, 150 00:06:51,590 --> 00:06:53,490 but one thing's for certain, two things for sure. 151 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,270 Those rooms are lawless. 152 00:06:56,370 --> 00:06:59,140 ♪♪ 153 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:00,670 Stephen: There's a game running in New York City, 154 00:07:00,770 --> 00:07:03,340 in some way 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. 155 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,980 There's multibillionaires sitting in certain games. 156 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:07,410 There's drug addicts, 157 00:07:07,510 --> 00:07:10,020 struggling to make 20 bucks playing in others. 158 00:07:10,110 --> 00:07:12,240 How much money does that say? 159 00:07:12,350 --> 00:07:14,690 I don't know. I don't know. 160 00:07:14,780 --> 00:07:17,150 I'm bad with numbers. [ Laughs ] 161 00:07:17,250 --> 00:07:20,020 You ain't that bad. 162 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:21,950 There's actual people that travel around. 163 00:07:22,060 --> 00:07:23,160 They call them grinders, 164 00:07:23,260 --> 00:07:24,700 and they go to all these different clubs, 165 00:07:24,790 --> 00:07:26,560 and they grind it out. 166 00:07:26,660 --> 00:07:29,390 Whales are people that are invited to these games 167 00:07:29,500 --> 00:07:31,140 that have a ton of money 168 00:07:31,230 --> 00:07:33,960 and don't know anything about poker. 169 00:07:34,070 --> 00:07:35,370 And they go and they spend $60,000, 170 00:07:35,470 --> 00:07:38,700 $70,000, $80,000, and they lose it all. 171 00:07:38,810 --> 00:07:43,050 If you're a player, technically, by New York state law, 172 00:07:43,150 --> 00:07:45,580 players are not considered doing anything illegal. 173 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,640 Michael: The men and women we see at that table, 174 00:07:48,750 --> 00:07:50,350 they're just basically customers. 175 00:07:50,450 --> 00:07:53,150 But now in here, this brother in here 176 00:07:53,260 --> 00:07:55,330 is who the police are gonna want to get after. 177 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,550 This dude runs games all over the city. 178 00:08:18,650 --> 00:08:21,690 This one just happens to be in the back of a pizza shop. 179 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,270 [ Cellphone rings ] 180 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,100 And don't have shit to show for it. 181 00:09:15,540 --> 00:09:17,580 Michael: Fantastic. That ain't gonna hurt. 182 00:09:17,670 --> 00:09:19,630 I don't know what the...I'm doing. 183 00:09:19,740 --> 00:09:21,270 Man: There's faces in there? 184 00:09:21,380 --> 00:09:24,250 Oh, I don't know. Is there? 185 00:09:24,350 --> 00:09:27,350 A gambler, you'll bet on anything, 186 00:09:27,450 --> 00:09:29,620 but the guy who cheats, you know, 187 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,960 that's a different mind-set. 188 00:09:33,060 --> 00:09:35,360 See, the cheater, he's got a system. 189 00:09:35,460 --> 00:09:37,700 He doesn't leave anything to chance. 190 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,430 [ Card shuffling ] 191 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,740 Michael: If you make money gambling, and you don't report it, 192 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,740 you're basically cheating the government. 193 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,040 That's where the problem is. 194 00:11:30,140 --> 00:11:31,380 And if you cheat, you know how they go. 195 00:11:31,470 --> 00:11:33,440 The IRS will pounce on you, 196 00:11:33,540 --> 00:11:36,440 and you're gonna need a lawyer like Ed Hayes. 197 00:11:36,550 --> 00:11:39,080 -=Hey, what's happening? -What up? 198 00:11:39,180 --> 00:11:41,610 -How you doing? -I'm good. That's it. 199 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,560 Michael: Quintessential, classy, New York. 200 00:11:44,650 --> 00:11:47,020 This is beautiful. That's for you, man. I'm telling you. 201 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:48,580 I think I need a topcoat in this. 202 00:11:48,690 --> 00:11:50,450 Yeah, yeah, with a velvet collar, 203 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:53,200 maybe a black velvet collar or navy blue or green? 204 00:11:53,300 --> 00:11:55,300 Oh, man. 205 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,240 That, as we say, is clean. 206 00:11:57,330 --> 00:11:59,290 We got to talk. [ Laughter ] 207 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:00,700 I understand you also know a little bit 208 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:02,530 about protecting gamblers. -Yeah. 209 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:07,080 How much time can a person get for running a gambling ring? 210 00:12:07,180 --> 00:12:11,180 Three years, five years is really a lot for gambling. 211 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:15,990 What you get the time for is laundering the money, all right? 212 00:12:16,090 --> 00:12:17,390 If it's part of -- -Tax evasion. 213 00:12:17,490 --> 00:12:18,620 Yeah, tax evasion. 214 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,580 When you have really a lot of cash, 215 00:12:20,690 --> 00:12:23,060 you have to find ways of smuggling it out of the country. 216 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:24,960 It's tough. 217 00:12:25,060 --> 00:12:26,590 -Wow. -Take a look. 218 00:12:26,700 --> 00:12:28,730 This is a hybrid between a sport coat and an overcoat. 219 00:12:28,830 --> 00:12:31,590 -Oh, man, that looks beautiful. -This is dope. 220 00:12:31,700 --> 00:12:34,430 This is dope, let's get fitted. 221 00:12:34,540 --> 00:12:36,170 $3 million would be way too much 222 00:12:36,270 --> 00:12:38,030 to try to -- -Look, you can launder it. 223 00:12:38,140 --> 00:12:40,570 You just need the right people to handle it for you. 224 00:12:40,680 --> 00:12:42,310 And you always take a risk 'cause the guys 225 00:12:42,410 --> 00:12:44,370 that are doing it for you might get locked up, too. 226 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,050 Or -- or run off. Well, then they'd -- you'd kill them. 227 00:12:47,150 --> 00:12:48,750 Yeah, yeah. You know, or kill somebody they know. 228 00:12:48,850 --> 00:12:52,080 So, for that kind of money, somebody gets killed. 229 00:12:52,190 --> 00:12:55,560 First rule of criminality is, beat people out of money, 230 00:12:55,660 --> 00:12:59,560 somebody's gonna get hurt. 231 00:12:59,660 --> 00:13:01,420 It's the guys that never want to quit, 232 00:13:01,530 --> 00:13:03,060 that always want to make another score 233 00:13:03,170 --> 00:13:05,140 that end up doing life in prison. 234 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,060 You pick a life of crime, it's risky. 235 00:13:10,170 --> 00:13:11,370 Some people say, you die in prison, 236 00:13:11,470 --> 00:13:12,570 or you die in the street. 237 00:13:12,680 --> 00:13:14,080 It's the choice that you make. 238 00:13:14,180 --> 00:13:19,250 Yeah. 239 00:13:23,450 --> 00:13:25,180 Michael: So, right now, we -- we in Brooklyn. 240 00:13:25,290 --> 00:13:26,890 We're gonna meet a man named Chummy 241 00:13:26,990 --> 00:13:30,530 who used to run a very lucrative poker game. 242 00:13:30,630 --> 00:13:33,300 What's going on? How's it going? Hey. Respect. 243 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,600 I've been involved in this for about 15 years. Okay. 244 00:13:35,700 --> 00:13:38,040 You know, give or take. I knew the owners here. 245 00:13:38,130 --> 00:13:39,490 I said, "Let me do a game in the basement." 246 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,100 We worked out percentages. He said, "Do it." 247 00:13:42,210 --> 00:13:44,540 -Let's take a look at the spot. -Absolutely. 248 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,110 So this is where the magic happens, huh? 249 00:13:47,210 --> 00:13:49,080 I mean, it looks pretty gritty down here, 250 00:13:49,180 --> 00:13:50,280 and the truth is, even back then, 251 00:13:50,380 --> 00:13:51,620 it was pretty gritty. 252 00:13:51,710 --> 00:13:52,940 But, uh, the most important thing 253 00:13:53,050 --> 00:13:54,350 is the money on the tables, so... 254 00:13:54,450 --> 00:13:56,520 guys will play...anywhere. 255 00:13:56,620 --> 00:14:00,460 Is it just the thrill of winning, 256 00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:01,860 or is it the thrill of knowing 257 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,600 that you could flip money really quick? 258 00:14:03,690 --> 00:14:06,050 All of it? All of it. All of it, and it is an ego thing, too. 259 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:07,920 -Oh. -Gamblers have big egos. 260 00:14:08,030 --> 00:14:09,900 When you win, you feel like a...genius. 261 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,400 Yeah, yeah. You feel like a...genius when you win. 262 00:14:12,500 --> 00:14:14,360 On the flip side, when you lose, 263 00:14:14,470 --> 00:14:16,370 you hate yourself so much. 264 00:14:16,470 --> 00:14:19,230 There's no in between because a real degenerate gambler 265 00:14:19,340 --> 00:14:20,540 doesn't want to win a little. 266 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,040 He either wants to win a lot or lose a lot. 267 00:14:23,150 --> 00:14:26,450 Most of these guys would rather lose a lot than win a little. 268 00:14:26,550 --> 00:14:29,090 -You ever got robbed? -This place never got robbed. 269 00:14:29,190 --> 00:14:30,920 We kept it discreet enough. 270 00:14:31,020 --> 00:14:32,660 Some of the other places got robbed by -- 271 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,430 -What was that like? -I was dealing. 272 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,120 There were ten tables full. 273 00:14:36,230 --> 00:14:39,530 Two guys came in with guns, kicked the door open. 274 00:14:39,630 --> 00:14:42,500 Like, "Everyone on the floor, everyone empty your own shit." Yeah, yeah. 275 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,200 Everyone, run your shit. Put it on the table. 276 00:14:45,300 --> 00:14:46,900 A bunch of guys put up jewelry, shit like that. 277 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,430 They got the cage -- I believe that night, 278 00:14:48,540 --> 00:14:50,240 they got the cage for over $100,000. 279 00:14:50,340 --> 00:14:52,410 With all the players, you know, one guy was getting the cage 280 00:14:52,510 --> 00:14:54,380 while the other guy was going table to table. 281 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,350 Everyone, you know, put their shit on the table. Jewelry and what have you. 282 00:14:56,450 --> 00:14:59,120 Me, I was having a bad week that week, and I was dealing. 283 00:14:59,220 --> 00:15:01,620 I needed my...money. I had like maybe $500 on me. 284 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,550 I took it out of my pocket, I put it in my drawers. 285 00:15:03,650 --> 00:15:06,210 I dig it. And then I just threw my wallet on the table. 286 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:07,950 I had $8 in my wallet. 287 00:15:08,060 --> 00:15:09,230 The guy actually looked at my wallet. 288 00:15:09,330 --> 00:15:11,330 He said, "$8, mother...?" -Yeah. 289 00:15:11,430 --> 00:15:13,200 But he didn't run my drawers or nothing, so... 290 00:15:13,300 --> 00:15:16,170 -No, yeah, yeah, yeah. -I left with $500 that night. 291 00:15:16,270 --> 00:15:20,410 ♪♪ 292 00:15:20,500 --> 00:15:23,330 Most of the time, it's an inside job. 293 00:15:29,180 --> 00:15:31,380 Michael: Right now, we are in Brooklyn. 294 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,650 We're about to meet a couple of dudes that -- 295 00:15:33,750 --> 00:15:37,290 they rob poker games. 296 00:15:37,390 --> 00:15:40,330 Michael: Why do you only target illegal games? 297 00:15:40,420 --> 00:15:43,620 What is your main -- what -- what is the science behind that? 298 00:15:48,100 --> 00:15:49,530 Yes, sir. 299 00:15:52,370 --> 00:15:54,270 What's the biggest lick you ever caught? 300 00:15:54,370 --> 00:15:57,880 One game, one poker game, just wanted their cash, and -- 301 00:15:57,970 --> 00:15:59,070 $140,000? 302 00:15:59,180 --> 00:16:00,710 -Yeah. -Yeah. 303 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,210 I mean, for what, for 5 minutes of work? Yeah. 304 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,590 Like -- like, how do -- how do you sort out the games 305 00:16:12,690 --> 00:16:15,290 that you think are easy prey? 306 00:16:15,390 --> 00:16:18,420 I mean, the reality is none of them are easy prey. 307 00:16:48,660 --> 00:16:50,600 How many games have you robbed? 308 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,440 Mm-hmm. 309 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,380 -How much money? -Hood money. 310 00:17:15,420 --> 00:17:17,260 Yes, sir. 311 00:17:48,180 --> 00:17:50,610 Have you shot someone in a robbery? 312 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,120 [ Indistinct conversation ] 313 00:18:25,090 --> 00:18:27,130 Michael: So when you're a degenerate gambler, 314 00:18:27,220 --> 00:18:28,350 nothing is sacred. 315 00:18:28,460 --> 00:18:29,760 Man: You want another $500? 316 00:18:29,860 --> 00:18:31,160 -I got it. -Let's do it. 317 00:18:31,260 --> 00:18:32,930 My boy needs a rebuy. 318 00:18:33,030 --> 00:18:34,500 I might as well give this money away. 319 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,170 I fold. I fold. Fold. Hey. 320 00:18:37,270 --> 00:18:39,340 Michael: When it gets to that point, you know, you're an addict. 321 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:40,970 That's the equivalent of someone 322 00:18:41,070 --> 00:18:44,140 who can't control their drug habit. 323 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,980 $900 to a stack, it goes quick. 324 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,080 I could have easily sat there another however -- 325 00:18:50,180 --> 00:18:52,250 for however long it would have taken for me to blow all of that 326 00:18:52,350 --> 00:18:54,020 because the game is so much fun. 327 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:56,890 You get very easily sucked in. 328 00:18:58,550 --> 00:19:00,110 What's up, brother? 329 00:19:00,220 --> 00:19:02,150 Chummy is a degenerate gambler. 330 00:19:02,260 --> 00:19:03,790 So, what's this? 331 00:19:03,890 --> 00:19:05,390 So, this used to be the Genoa Club, actually. 332 00:19:05,490 --> 00:19:07,790 The entrance was right here. 333 00:19:07,900 --> 00:19:10,100 There's an old saying --s one is too many, 334 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,300 and a thousand is never enough. 335 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,430 And if you know what I'm talking about, 336 00:19:14,540 --> 00:19:18,780 you know what I'm talking about. 337 00:19:18,870 --> 00:19:22,300 Running your games, were you also participating in them? 338 00:19:22,410 --> 00:19:24,210 Yeah, and that's always been a problem of mine. 339 00:19:24,310 --> 00:19:25,840 What's the old saying? 340 00:19:25,950 --> 00:19:27,220 Never get high on your own supply, huh? 341 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:28,920 Never get high on your own supply. 342 00:19:29,020 --> 00:19:30,350 -And with gambling, the chips -- -Shout out to Biggie. 343 00:19:30,450 --> 00:19:31,980 The chips are the supply. 344 00:19:32,090 --> 00:19:34,060 Gambling is certainly an addiction, 345 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,530 and most people -- it's hard to beat, 346 00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:39,260 because it's not an outside chemical 347 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:41,120 or an outside agent that you're putting in your body. 348 00:19:41,230 --> 00:19:42,770 It's already in you, and -- 349 00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:44,870 and it's just triggers to get it out of you. 350 00:19:44,970 --> 00:19:48,210 It's just anything from just seeing a deck of cards 351 00:19:48,300 --> 00:19:51,500 to seeing poker on TV to seeing sports 352 00:19:51,610 --> 00:19:53,480 and just wanting to gamble on it. 353 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,120 You have money in your pocket, that's a trigger in itself. 354 00:19:59,220 --> 00:20:00,990 Just give me, like, one play. 355 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,040 I can't even put anything in. I just want to see if it hits. 356 00:20:03,150 --> 00:20:04,810 I mean, I don't have any concept of... -- 357 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,790 you know, you don't think I'm a little -- 358 00:20:06,890 --> 00:20:09,790 I used to make all sorts of...crazy money, 359 00:20:09,890 --> 00:20:11,550 all sorts of...whatever. 360 00:20:11,660 --> 00:20:15,130 I was -- I was a figure around that world. 361 00:20:15,230 --> 00:20:17,560 At a certain point, I had to realize I can't handle it. 362 00:20:17,670 --> 00:20:19,140 Other people might be able to handle it. 363 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:20,500 Other people might be able to control it. 364 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,460 I'm not one of those people. 365 00:20:22,570 --> 00:20:24,900 I am powerless over my addiction. Yes, sir. 366 00:20:25,010 --> 00:20:26,910 You have to come to that realization. Mm-hmm. 367 00:20:27,010 --> 00:20:29,410 And it's been a few months now. 368 00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:32,110 I take it day by day. That's just all it is. 369 00:20:32,210 --> 00:20:36,080 -I can -- I can relate to that. -You know? 370 00:20:36,190 --> 00:20:39,890 Over my career, I've probably lost over $2 million. 371 00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:41,990 My last 100 bucks that I ever lost was more painful 372 00:20:42,090 --> 00:20:44,320 than, like, losing a couple hundred thousand. 373 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,120 Because when you hit zero, it becomes reality. 374 00:20:49,230 --> 00:20:51,590 And then when it's just, you can't borrow anymore... 375 00:20:54,940 --> 00:20:56,410 ...y-your reputation goes to shit. 376 00:20:56,510 --> 00:20:57,840 You lost a lot of friends. 377 00:20:57,940 --> 00:20:59,640 A lot of family won't talk to you. 378 00:21:04,010 --> 00:21:05,770 I know that I didn't gamble today. Yeah. 379 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,310 I don't know what's gonna happen tomorrow. Tomorrow. 380 00:21:07,420 --> 00:21:10,290 Being, um -- being someone w-who is a recovering addict, 381 00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:14,230 I can definitely relate to, you know, owing money 382 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,020 to different various dealers 383 00:21:16,130 --> 00:21:20,030 and losing the respect and the trust of my family. 384 00:21:24,330 --> 00:21:25,530 You know -- you know what they say, 385 00:21:25,630 --> 00:21:27,300 you know, by us telling our story, 386 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,530 maybe someone will hear this and not make 387 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,480 the same stupid mistakes that you and I made. 388 00:21:31,570 --> 00:21:33,000 So, you know, that's what it's all about, 389 00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:34,350 you know what I mean? -Yeah. 390 00:21:37,150 --> 00:21:39,150 It makes me realize that, you know, 391 00:21:39,250 --> 00:21:41,220 there's a lot of addicts running around New York, man. 392 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,190 A lot -- a lot of gambling addicts. 393 00:21:43,290 --> 00:21:47,290 It's a lot of, you know, venues that feed that need. 394 00:21:47,390 --> 00:21:50,900 Those rooms can become portals to the dark side very quickly. 395 00:21:50,990 --> 00:21:52,050 They're dangerous. 396 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,090 You know, it's lawless -- wild, wild west. 397 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,540 This country is kind of like -- it's built on that, isn't it? 398 00:21:58,630 --> 00:22:00,260 You know? Yeah. 399 00:22:00,370 --> 00:22:03,010 [ Laughs ] It's in the DNA. 400 00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:05,440 Speakeasy, the back door, 401 00:22:05,540 --> 00:22:07,800 you know, the -- you know, I got a little secret. 402 00:22:07,910 --> 00:22:09,810 Don't tell nobody. [ Imitates whispers ] 403 00:22:09,910 --> 00:22:11,870 We all like that shit. You know what I mean? 404 00:22:11,980 --> 00:22:14,450 But, uh, you got to be careful because, you know, 405 00:22:14,550 --> 00:22:16,090 unfortunately, that's -- that's -- 406 00:22:16,190 --> 00:22:18,220 where there's darkness, there's danger. 407 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:19,320 ♪♪ 31633

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