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New York City, it was --
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it was I felt like
I had been cheated.
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How do I not know
that all of this
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is going on right under my nose?
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Michael:
Right now, how many illegal
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poker games exist
in New York City?
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-All five boroughs?
-Yeah.
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More than I could count.
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It's just about the action.
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It's just about
the...action.
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I guess I fold.
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I might as well
give this money away.
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If you take a huge group
of people that play poker,
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less than 5%
will end up winners.
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If you are not part of that
small percentage of winners,
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then you're a loser.
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[ Door creaks open ]
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Michael: Our goal is just
to simply show the world
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a window as to why people
do the things they do,
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where that desperation
comes from.
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It's like they say,
when the system fails you,
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you create your own system.
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"Black Market,"
NYC, Vice, baby.
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This is what we doing tonight.
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I am about to be introduced
to a whole 'nother city
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that exists within the city
that I was born and raised.
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You know, growing up,
I saw a lot of gambling
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in my community.
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Rolling dice, craps, cee-lo.
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But, you know, that wasn't
really my thing at the time.
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I do know that a lot of people
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get sucked into this
underground gambling scene.
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Why would you want to risk being
robbed or shot or arrested?
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I want to find out
why so many people
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are willing to risk so much.
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Right now,
I'm about to go meet up
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with Christian Alexander.
What's up, brother?
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He's one of the kings
of the night life in New York,
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and he's about to take me
to one of the most notorious
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gambling spots in the city.
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[ Cellphone dings ]
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I just actually got a text,
got the address.
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So basically, you have
to be on this list,
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and you get a text
giving you the whereabouts
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and the dates of where
this game's gonna be?
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It's usually the day of.
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It's hard to hit
a moving target.
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I'm a virgin
to this world.
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Tell me, what am I gonna
walk into right now?
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I think it's better if we just
see it and experience it.
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These are New York OGs.
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These are not, like,
amateurs.
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So, bro,
do I need to get frisked?
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You already know.
I'm a team player.
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-Okay, my brother, I'm with you.
-Third floor.
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[ Door closes ]
[ Footstep echoing ]
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It's a thin line between
crime and entertainment.
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[ "Hundred Dolla Girlz"
by Richard Charnock playing ]
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-What's up, bro?
-What up, homie?
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Michael: What do you got going
on here tonight?
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What game is this?
Blackjack? I need in.
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Michael: It was legal for me
to gamble in those rooms.
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Hell, yeah.
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What's the --
what's the minimum for the game?
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$20?
All right.
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And what makes
these games illegal
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is not the fact that people
are losing their homes
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and their families
and their kids' college tuitions
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on some of these tables.
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-What you doing, son?
-Hit me.
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Michael:
What makes these games illegal
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is when the house takes the cut.
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They call it a rake.
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Hit me.
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I'm busted.
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The house always wins.
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It's just like Vegas.
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We re in the business of
pleasure.
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Gamblin is pleasurable.
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Women are certainly
pleasurable.
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So we, as entrepreneurs,
said, "Let's put 'em
all together."
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You know, vice is vice, man.
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That s in our natures.
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Yeah, I'm putting $20, bro.
I'm feeling lucky.
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I feel
that Brooklyn love.
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Baby, I'm feeling
lucky tonight.
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Nah!
Oh!
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What did I tell you?
I'm feeling lucky tonight!
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♪♪
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Michael:
Everybody's in their own world
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and having fun,
and it was safe.
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Not one argument,
not one shove, nothing.
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It was just pure love.
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But make no mistake,
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that party could have
easily gone the other way.
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Where there's darkness,
there's danger.
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America's full of gamblers.
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Almost half the nation places
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some kind of bet
at least once a year.
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I mean, there's casinos
all over this country,
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regulated and taxed.
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But there's another side
to this gambling world.
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Right now,
we're at a poker game,
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an illegal poker game
right here in New York City.
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Man: $25 is the bet.
It's $20 more.
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I'm gonna watch
a little bit, yeah.
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We're playing 2-5,
no limit.
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Whatever's in front
of you is in play,
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so at any minute...
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-It could happen?
-It could be gone.
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[ Laughter ]
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What I don't understand is,
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what is the excitement
with the illegal thing?
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Why not just go to Vegas and --
-It's New York, man.
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Money here, finance.
-There's a lot of money.
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Michael: There used to be clubs
like this all over the city.
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Some spots had up to,
like, 20 tables.
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When the game
got robbed in 2007,
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that changed the New York
scene forever.
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A shooting at an illegal
gambling site in Manhattan
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leaves a 55-year-old man dead.
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Michael:
I caught up with this dude,
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Robert Hanley,
old-school New York.
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He was playing at that game.
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Boom!
I hear the gunshot.
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Then I see a guy
laying on the floor,
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bleeding pretty bad
on the ground.
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So, I actually stuck
my fingers in his back
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and grabbed the artery.
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He lasted, I'd say,
a minute and a half or so,
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then he passed away
right in my arms.
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One of the guys
that worked there says,
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"Why don't you take him
to the alley and throw him
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out by the garbage
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so they won't find
his body in here?"
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This is while
the man's still alive.
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I told him, "If you don't get
the...out of here,
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your body's gonna be
behind a garbage can."
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What kind of humanity
is there?
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He's thinking about money
in his pocket.
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How does that incident
change the game for you
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or for the game itself
in general?
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That place
had ten tables.
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There will never be another
ten-table place ever again.
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[ Buzzer sounds ]
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When the games are too big,
police started to raid them.
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It was too much money
going on in there.
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Nowadays, the games
are a lot smaller,
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but one thing's for certain,
two things for sure.
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Those rooms are lawless.
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♪♪
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Stephen: There's a game running
in New York City,
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in some way 24 hours a day,
7 days a week.
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There's multibillionaires
sitting in certain games.
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There's drug addicts,
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struggling to make 20 bucks
playing in others.
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How much money does
that say?
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I don't know.
I don't know.
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I'm bad with numbers.
[ Laughs ]
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You ain't that bad.
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There's actual people
that travel around.
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They call them grinders,
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and they go to all these
different clubs,
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and they grind it out.
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Whales are people that
are invited to these games
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that have a ton of money
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and don't know
anything about poker.
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And they go
and they spend $60,000,
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$70,000, $80,000,
and they lose it all.
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If you're a player, technically,
by New York state law,
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players are not considered
doing anything illegal.
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Michael: The men and women
we see at that table,
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they're just
basically customers.
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But now in here,
this brother in here
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is who the police
are gonna want to get after.
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This dude runs games
all over the city.
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This one just happens to be
in the back of a pizza shop.
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[ Cellphone rings ]
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And don't have shit
to show for it.
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Michael: Fantastic.
That ain't gonna hurt.
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I don't know
what the...I'm doing.
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Man:
There's faces in there?
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Oh, I don't know.
Is there?
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A gambler, you'll bet
on anything,
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but the guy
who cheats, you know,
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that's a different mind-set.
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See, the cheater,
he's got a system.
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He doesn't leave
anything to chance.
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[ Card shuffling ]
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Michael:
If you make money gambling,
and you don't report it,
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you're basically
cheating the government.
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That's where the problem is.
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And if you cheat,
you know how they go.
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The IRS will pounce on you,
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and you're gonna need
a lawyer like Ed Hayes.
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-=Hey, what's happening?
-What up?
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-How you doing?
-I'm good. That's it.
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Michael: Quintessential,
classy, New York.
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This is beautiful.
That's for you, man.
I'm telling you.
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I think I need
a topcoat in this.
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Yeah, yeah,
with a velvet collar,
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maybe a black velvet collar
or navy blue or green?
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Oh, man.
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That, as we say, is clean.
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We got to talk.
[ Laughter ]
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I understand
you also know a little bit
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about protecting gamblers.
-Yeah.
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How much time can a person get
for running a gambling ring?
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Three years, five years
is really a lot for gambling.
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What you get the time for is
laundering the money, all right?
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If it's part of --
-Tax evasion.
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Yeah, tax evasion.
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When you have really
a lot of cash,
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you have to find ways of
smuggling it out of the country.
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It's tough.
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-Wow.
-Take a look.
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This is a hybrid between
a sport coat and an overcoat.
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-Oh, man, that looks beautiful.
-This is dope.
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This is dope,
let's get fitted.
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$3 million
would be way too much
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to try to --
-Look, you can launder it.
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You just need the right people
to handle it for you.
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And you always take a risk
'cause the guys
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that are doing it for you might
get locked up, too.
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Or -- or run off.
Well, then they'd --
you'd kill them.
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Yeah, yeah.
You know,
or kill somebody they know.
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So, for that kind of money,
somebody gets killed.
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First rule of criminality is,
beat people out of money,
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somebody's gonna get hurt.
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It's the guys that
never want to quit,
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that always want
to make another score
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that end up doing
life in prison.
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You pick a life of crime,
it's risky.
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Some people say,
you die in prison,
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or you die in the street.
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It's the choice
that you make.
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Yeah.
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Michael: So, right now,
we -- we in Brooklyn.
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We're gonna meet
a man named Chummy
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who used to run
a very lucrative poker game.
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What's going on?
How's it going?
Hey. Respect.
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I've been involved in this
for about 15 years.
Okay.
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You know, give or take.
I knew the owners here.
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I said, "Let me do a game
in the basement."
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We worked out percentages.
He said, "Do it."
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-Let's take a look at the spot.
-Absolutely.
248
00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,110
So this is where
the magic happens, huh?
249
00:13:47,210 --> 00:13:49,080
I mean, it looks
pretty gritty down here,
250
00:13:49,180 --> 00:13:50,280
and the truth is,
even back then,
251
00:13:50,380 --> 00:13:51,620
it was pretty gritty.
252
00:13:51,710 --> 00:13:52,940
But, uh,
the most important thing
253
00:13:53,050 --> 00:13:54,350
is the money on the tables,
so...
254
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guys will play...anywhere.
255
00:13:56,620 --> 00:14:00,460
Is it just
the thrill of winning,
256
00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:01,860
or is it the thrill
of knowing
257
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that you could flip money
really quick?
258
00:14:03,690 --> 00:14:06,050
All of it?
All of it. All of it,
and it is an ego thing, too.
259
00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:07,920
-Oh.
-Gamblers have big egos.
260
00:14:08,030 --> 00:14:09,900
When you win,
you feel like a...genius.
261
00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,400
Yeah, yeah.
You feel like
a...genius when you win.
262
00:14:12,500 --> 00:14:14,360
On the flip side,
when you lose,
263
00:14:14,470 --> 00:14:16,370
you hate yourself
so much.
264
00:14:16,470 --> 00:14:19,230
There's no in between because
a real degenerate gambler
265
00:14:19,340 --> 00:14:20,540
doesn't want to win
a little.
266
00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,040
He either wants to win
a lot or lose a lot.
267
00:14:23,150 --> 00:14:26,450
Most of these guys would rather
lose a lot than win a little.
268
00:14:26,550 --> 00:14:29,090
-You ever got robbed?
-This place never got robbed.
269
00:14:29,190 --> 00:14:30,920
We kept it
discreet enough.
270
00:14:31,020 --> 00:14:32,660
Some of the other places
got robbed by --
271
00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,430
-What was that like?
-I was dealing.
272
00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,120
There were
ten tables full.
273
00:14:36,230 --> 00:14:39,530
Two guys came in with guns,
kicked the door open.
274
00:14:39,630 --> 00:14:42,500
Like, "Everyone on the floor,
everyone empty your own shit."
Yeah, yeah.
275
00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,200
Everyone, run your shit.
Put it on the table.
276
00:14:45,300 --> 00:14:46,900
A bunch of guys put up jewelry,
shit like that.
277
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They got the cage --
I believe that night,
278
00:14:48,540 --> 00:14:50,240
they got the cage
for over $100,000.
279
00:14:50,340 --> 00:14:52,410
With all the players, you know,
one guy was getting the cage
280
00:14:52,510 --> 00:14:54,380
while the other guy
was going table to table.
281
00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,350
Everyone, you know,
put their shit on the table.
Jewelry and what have you.
282
00:14:56,450 --> 00:14:59,120
Me, I was having a bad week
that week, and I was dealing.
283
00:14:59,220 --> 00:15:01,620
I needed my...money.
I had like maybe $500 on me.
284
00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,550
I took it out of my pocket,
I put it in my drawers.
285
00:15:03,650 --> 00:15:06,210
I dig it.
And then I just threw
my wallet on the table.
286
00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:07,950
I had $8 in my wallet.
287
00:15:08,060 --> 00:15:09,230
The guy actually
looked at my wallet.
288
00:15:09,330 --> 00:15:11,330
He said, "$8, mother...?"
-Yeah.
289
00:15:11,430 --> 00:15:13,200
But he didn't run
my drawers or nothing, so...
290
00:15:13,300 --> 00:15:16,170
-No, yeah, yeah, yeah.
-I left with $500 that night.
291
00:15:16,270 --> 00:15:20,410
♪♪
292
00:15:20,500 --> 00:15:23,330
Most of the time,
it's an inside job.
293
00:15:29,180 --> 00:15:31,380
Michael:
Right now, we are in Brooklyn.
294
00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,650
We're about to meet
a couple of dudes that --
295
00:15:33,750 --> 00:15:37,290
they rob poker games.
296
00:15:37,390 --> 00:15:40,330
Michael: Why do you only
target illegal games?
297
00:15:40,420 --> 00:15:43,620
What is your main -- what --
what is the science behind that?
298
00:15:48,100 --> 00:15:49,530
Yes, sir.
299
00:15:52,370 --> 00:15:54,270
What's the biggest
lick you ever caught?
300
00:15:54,370 --> 00:15:57,880
One game, one poker game,
just wanted their cash, and --
301
00:15:57,970 --> 00:15:59,070
$140,000?
302
00:15:59,180 --> 00:16:00,710
-Yeah.
-Yeah.
303
00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,210
I mean, for what,
for 5 minutes of work?
Yeah.
304
00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,590
Like -- like, how do --
how do you sort out the games
305
00:16:12,690 --> 00:16:15,290
that you think
are easy prey?
306
00:16:15,390 --> 00:16:18,420
I mean, the reality is
none of them are easy prey.
307
00:16:48,660 --> 00:16:50,600
How many games
have you robbed?
308
00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,440
Mm-hmm.
309
00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,380
-How much money?
-Hood money.
310
00:17:15,420 --> 00:17:17,260
Yes, sir.
311
00:17:48,180 --> 00:17:50,610
Have you shot someone
in a robbery?
312
00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,120
[ Indistinct conversation ]
313
00:18:25,090 --> 00:18:27,130
Michael: So when
you're a degenerate gambler,
314
00:18:27,220 --> 00:18:28,350
nothing is sacred.
315
00:18:28,460 --> 00:18:29,760
Man:
You want another $500?
316
00:18:29,860 --> 00:18:31,160
-I got it.
-Let's do it.
317
00:18:31,260 --> 00:18:32,930
My boy needs a rebuy.
318
00:18:33,030 --> 00:18:34,500
I might as well
give this money away.
319
00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,170
I fold. I fold.
Fold. Hey.
320
00:18:37,270 --> 00:18:39,340
Michael:
When it gets to that point,
you know, you're an addict.
321
00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:40,970
That's the equivalent of someone
322
00:18:41,070 --> 00:18:44,140
who can't control
their drug habit.
323
00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,980
$900 to a stack,
it goes quick.
324
00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,080
I could have easily
sat there another however --
325
00:18:50,180 --> 00:18:52,250
for however long it would have
taken for me to blow all of that
326
00:18:52,350 --> 00:18:54,020
because the game
is so much fun.
327
00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:56,890
You get very
easily sucked in.
328
00:18:58,550 --> 00:19:00,110
What's up, brother?
329
00:19:00,220 --> 00:19:02,150
Chummy
is a degenerate gambler.
330
00:19:02,260 --> 00:19:03,790
So, what's this?
331
00:19:03,890 --> 00:19:05,390
So, this used to be
the Genoa Club, actually.
332
00:19:05,490 --> 00:19:07,790
The entrance
was right here.
333
00:19:07,900 --> 00:19:10,100
There's an old saying --s
one is too many,
334
00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,300
and a thousand
is never enough.
335
00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,430
And if you know
what I'm talking about,
336
00:19:14,540 --> 00:19:18,780
you know what I'm talking about.
337
00:19:18,870 --> 00:19:22,300
Running your games, were you
also participating in them?
338
00:19:22,410 --> 00:19:24,210
Yeah, and that's always
been a problem of mine.
339
00:19:24,310 --> 00:19:25,840
What's the old saying?
340
00:19:25,950 --> 00:19:27,220
Never get high on
your own supply, huh?
341
00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:28,920
Never get high on
your own supply.
342
00:19:29,020 --> 00:19:30,350
-And with gambling, the chips --
-Shout out to Biggie.
343
00:19:30,450 --> 00:19:31,980
The chips are the supply.
344
00:19:32,090 --> 00:19:34,060
Gambling is certainly
an addiction,
345
00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,530
and most people --
it's hard to beat,
346
00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:39,260
because it's not
an outside chemical
347
00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:41,120
or an outside agent that
you're putting in your body.
348
00:19:41,230 --> 00:19:42,770
It's already in you,
and --
349
00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:44,870
and it's just triggers
to get it out of you.
350
00:19:44,970 --> 00:19:48,210
It's just anything from just
seeing a deck of cards
351
00:19:48,300 --> 00:19:51,500
to seeing poker on TV
to seeing sports
352
00:19:51,610 --> 00:19:53,480
and just wanting
to gamble on it.
353
00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,120
You have money in your pocket,
that's a trigger in itself.
354
00:19:59,220 --> 00:20:00,990
Just give me, like, one play.
355
00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,040
I can't even put anything in.
I just want to see if it hits.
356
00:20:03,150 --> 00:20:04,810
I mean, I don't have
any concept of... --
357
00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,790
you know, you don't think
I'm a little --
358
00:20:06,890 --> 00:20:09,790
I used to make all sorts
of...crazy money,
359
00:20:09,890 --> 00:20:11,550
all sorts
of...whatever.
360
00:20:11,660 --> 00:20:15,130
I was -- I was a figure
around that world.
361
00:20:15,230 --> 00:20:17,560
At a certain point, I had
to realize I can't handle it.
362
00:20:17,670 --> 00:20:19,140
Other people might be
able to handle it.
363
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:20,500
Other people might be
able to control it.
364
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,460
I'm not one
of those people.
365
00:20:22,570 --> 00:20:24,900
I am powerless
over my addiction.
Yes, sir.
366
00:20:25,010 --> 00:20:26,910
You have to come
to that realization.
Mm-hmm.
367
00:20:27,010 --> 00:20:29,410
And it's been
a few months now.
368
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:32,110
I take it day by day.
That's just all it is.
369
00:20:32,210 --> 00:20:36,080
-I can -- I can relate to that.
-You know?
370
00:20:36,190 --> 00:20:39,890
Over my career, I've probably
lost over $2 million.
371
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:41,990
My last 100 bucks that I ever
lost was more painful
372
00:20:42,090 --> 00:20:44,320
than, like, losing a couple
hundred thousand.
373
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,120
Because when you hit zero,
it becomes reality.
374
00:20:49,230 --> 00:20:51,590
And then when it's just,
you can't borrow anymore...
375
00:20:54,940 --> 00:20:56,410
...y-your reputation goes
to shit.
376
00:20:56,510 --> 00:20:57,840
You lost a lot
of friends.
377
00:20:57,940 --> 00:20:59,640
A lot of family
won't talk to you.
378
00:21:04,010 --> 00:21:05,770
I know that
I didn't gamble today.
Yeah.
379
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,310
I don't know
what's gonna happen tomorrow.
Tomorrow.
380
00:21:07,420 --> 00:21:10,290
Being, um -- being someone
w-who is a recovering addict,
381
00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:14,230
I can definitely relate
to, you know, owing money
382
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,020
to different various dealers
383
00:21:16,130 --> 00:21:20,030
and losing the respect
and the trust of my family.
384
00:21:24,330 --> 00:21:25,530
You know --
you know what they say,
385
00:21:25,630 --> 00:21:27,300
you know,
by us telling our story,
386
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,530
maybe someone will hear this
and not make
387
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,480
the same stupid mistakes
that you and I made.
388
00:21:31,570 --> 00:21:33,000
So, you know,
that's what it's all about,
389
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:34,350
you know what I mean?
-Yeah.
390
00:21:37,150 --> 00:21:39,150
It makes me realize that,
you know,
391
00:21:39,250 --> 00:21:41,220
there's a lot of addicts
running around New York, man.
392
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,190
A lot --
a lot of gambling addicts.
393
00:21:43,290 --> 00:21:47,290
It's a lot of, you know,
venues that feed that need.
394
00:21:47,390 --> 00:21:50,900
Those rooms can become portals
to the dark side very quickly.
395
00:21:50,990 --> 00:21:52,050
They're dangerous.
396
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,090
You know, it's lawless --
wild, wild west.
397
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,540
This country is kind of like --
it's built on that, isn't it?
398
00:21:58,630 --> 00:22:00,260
You know?
Yeah.
399
00:22:00,370 --> 00:22:03,010
[ Laughs ]
It's in the DNA.
400
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:05,440
Speakeasy, the back door,
401
00:22:05,540 --> 00:22:07,800
you know, the -- you know,
I got a little secret.
402
00:22:07,910 --> 00:22:09,810
Don't tell nobody.
[ Imitates whispers ]
403
00:22:09,910 --> 00:22:11,870
We all like that shit.
You know what I mean?
404
00:22:11,980 --> 00:22:14,450
But, uh, you got to be careful
because, you know,
405
00:22:14,550 --> 00:22:16,090
unfortunately,
that's -- that's --
406
00:22:16,190 --> 00:22:18,220
where there's darkness,
there's danger.
407
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:19,320
♪♪
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