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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.OpenSubtitles.org today 2 00:00:43,176 --> 00:00:44,906 Yeah, I know, I told him that. 3 00:00:45,412 --> 00:00:48,143 Yeah, well, I made it very clear. I'll see you. 4 00:00:48,549 --> 00:00:49,859 Clive, I don't know how many times I've told you 5 00:00:49,883 --> 00:00:51,861 but I require you to read it, that's what I pay you for. 6 00:00:51,885 --> 00:00:53,717 We need to get the legal advice before... 7 00:00:53,820 --> 00:00:57,313 Why on earth would you say that it is my fault when apparently... 8 00:00:57,691 --> 00:00:59,702 As soon as we get close to the deal, you say it's no good at all. 9 00:00:59,726 --> 00:01:02,719 It was fine. They changed it. They changed it. 10 00:01:02,963 --> 00:01:05,660 Well, where is he? He's meant to stay with the car. 11 00:01:05,732 --> 00:01:08,964 - Well, perhaps he went to the loo. - Betting shop, more like. 12 00:01:12,005 --> 00:01:13,633 No, he's had too many chances, that's it. 13 00:01:13,740 --> 00:01:17,370 - I'll drive myself right now. - James, you no longer have a licence. 14 00:01:17,444 --> 00:01:19,845 Well, I can't take the bus, can I, Clive? 15 00:01:23,650 --> 00:01:26,620 Look, Flo, I told you. This is not up for discussion. 16 00:01:27,087 --> 00:01:30,819 I can't see you tonight. Unless you want to be my driver. 17 00:01:31,592 --> 00:01:34,653 No, no, I'm going to a Downing Street bash with my wife. 18 00:01:34,861 --> 00:01:37,262 Yeah, don't give me an argument about it. 19 00:01:52,946 --> 00:01:55,415 Oh, no. No. 20 00:02:25,178 --> 00:02:28,808 - Mr Justice Everard, the new Presider. - Yes, we were alerted, sir. 21 00:02:29,816 --> 00:02:32,786 Your Lordship. My cases are in the back. 22 00:02:32,853 --> 00:02:33,853 Yes, My Lord. 23 00:02:55,942 --> 00:03:00,073 - Well, who's occupying this room? - Mr Justice Deed is here, My Lord. 24 00:03:00,180 --> 00:03:02,547 Well, I'm the senior judge. 25 00:03:02,616 --> 00:03:04,744 Deed has no right to take the best room for himself. 26 00:03:04,818 --> 00:03:07,253 His Lordship arrived yesterday, Your Lordship. 27 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,415 Well, this is very shoddy, very shoddy behaviour. 28 00:03:10,490 --> 00:03:13,722 My Lord, shall I move Sir John's things? 29 00:03:13,827 --> 00:03:17,662 No, put my bags back in the car. I'm not staying. 30 00:03:23,470 --> 00:03:24,947 Thank you for attending me on the circuit 31 00:03:24,971 --> 00:03:27,702 and agreeing that I should give judgement by myself. 32 00:03:27,774 --> 00:03:31,006 I will post the full text of the judgement on the internet. 33 00:03:32,612 --> 00:03:36,572 This is an appeal from a decision of the Employment Appeal Tribunal 34 00:03:36,650 --> 00:03:38,141 on a point of law, 35 00:03:38,218 --> 00:03:40,915 that the core of the case is the question whether injuries caused 36 00:03:41,021 --> 00:03:43,252 to Sergeant Jake Bridges 37 00:03:43,323 --> 00:03:45,451 could be legally due to the work he was asked to do 38 00:03:45,525 --> 00:03:48,256 by his employer, the Chief Constable for Sussex. 39 00:03:48,328 --> 00:03:52,231 This court does not accept the argument of the appellant. 40 00:03:52,299 --> 00:03:54,131 You can't be serious. 41 00:03:57,671 --> 00:04:00,197 Sergeant Bridges, disappointing as this must be for you, 42 00:04:00,307 --> 00:04:03,368 you must know from your experience as a police officer 43 00:04:03,443 --> 00:04:06,413 that you really mustn't address the court in this way. 44 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,847 And whilst the court sympathises with you, 45 00:04:08,949 --> 00:04:12,010 the injuries cannot be seen in law 46 00:04:12,085 --> 00:04:13,713 as having been caused by the work. 47 00:04:13,820 --> 00:04:17,086 Working with computers gave me ME. 48 00:04:17,190 --> 00:04:19,386 Well, I will continue reading the judgement. 49 00:04:19,459 --> 00:04:22,520 You have a copy and can consider it with your lawyer. 50 00:04:22,629 --> 00:04:24,154 May I just ask, 51 00:04:24,264 --> 00:04:27,462 I assume the Sussex Police are not seeking costs? 52 00:04:29,269 --> 00:04:31,534 - No, My Lord. - Very well. 53 00:04:38,311 --> 00:04:40,177 This another health hazard, do you think? 54 00:04:40,247 --> 00:04:41,738 I expect so, Judge. 55 00:04:43,350 --> 00:04:47,048 You've got that horrible man who killed those two little girls and their mother 56 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,521 - next on your list. - Coop! 57 00:04:49,623 --> 00:04:52,252 - It's alleged he did this. - No. 58 00:04:52,325 --> 00:04:55,124 He was driving while on the mobile phone. 59 00:04:55,228 --> 00:04:58,062 I pulled a lot of strings to get you this case, Judge. 60 00:04:58,131 --> 00:05:00,794 I'm sure that you'll give Mr Brooklands just what he's got coming. 61 00:05:00,901 --> 00:05:03,564 You're outrageous. Could have been an accident. 62 00:05:03,670 --> 00:05:05,195 Hi, Jo, it's me. 63 00:05:05,305 --> 00:05:07,536 Any word yet from the Professional Conduct Committee? 64 00:05:07,607 --> 00:05:09,200 I've been trying your phone all day, 65 00:05:09,309 --> 00:05:11,505 don't you pick up your messages anymore? 66 00:05:11,578 --> 00:05:13,479 And, um, 67 00:05:14,014 --> 00:05:15,846 would you like to have dinner? 68 00:05:23,990 --> 00:05:25,618 She's gorgeous. Where'd you get her? 69 00:05:25,692 --> 00:05:27,627 Where do you think? 70 00:05:27,694 --> 00:05:31,631 No sooner had I got Rosie re-homed with my sister, Charlie finds this one. 71 00:05:31,698 --> 00:05:34,497 - She a puppy? - Well, she thinks she is. She's two. 72 00:05:34,768 --> 00:05:36,464 - What's she called? - Mimi. 73 00:05:36,870 --> 00:05:39,533 - Hello! - Mimi. 74 00:05:40,707 --> 00:05:44,508 - Hey, I could do with some of that. - Oh, no, no, no. Mimi's far safer. 75 00:05:44,578 --> 00:05:48,015 My case could come up before the Professional Conduct Committee anytime. 76 00:05:48,081 --> 00:05:49,549 Wake up, John. 77 00:05:49,616 --> 00:05:52,552 I'm accused of having sex with the judge I was before. 78 00:05:53,186 --> 00:05:54,654 Which judge is that, then? 79 00:05:54,721 --> 00:05:56,417 I don't think you're taking this seriously. 80 00:05:56,489 --> 00:05:57,967 I think you're worrying about nothing. 81 00:05:57,991 --> 00:06:00,722 Fine for you. Me they can take off the road. 82 00:06:01,228 --> 00:06:03,663 Aren't you taking a risk coming here, then? 83 00:06:04,931 --> 00:06:06,331 I want help. 84 00:06:07,167 --> 00:06:11,127 I'm up against your ex in a civil case and I'm feeling a bit out of my depth. 85 00:06:11,204 --> 00:06:13,115 I wouldn't let it worry you. It'll never get to court. 86 00:06:13,139 --> 00:06:15,131 Not with George, she'll cut a deal. 87 00:06:15,208 --> 00:06:17,439 Her clients are One-Way PLC. 88 00:06:17,544 --> 00:06:20,412 Oh, that civil case. 89 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,609 And they won't settle. If they do, 90 00:06:23,683 --> 00:06:26,983 there'll be a flood of claims from other damaged mobile phone users. 91 00:06:27,053 --> 00:06:29,420 Why are you doing civil work? 92 00:06:29,489 --> 00:06:33,950 Oh, I defended my client's brother on a drug charge. 93 00:06:34,060 --> 00:06:36,859 She's hoping I can perform the same magic for her. 94 00:06:36,930 --> 00:06:41,868 Well, it's all good experience if you want to be a judge. 95 00:06:42,802 --> 00:06:46,136 What stroke is this, Mr Petros? Where's the defendant? 96 00:06:46,206 --> 00:06:49,370 My Lord, Mr Brooklands is in a psychiatric hospital. 97 00:06:49,442 --> 00:06:53,106 The psychiatrists say he's not fit to stand trial. 98 00:06:53,179 --> 00:06:55,410 Are you running a defence of insanity 99 00:06:55,482 --> 00:06:58,247 to a charge of causing death by dangerous driving? 100 00:06:58,351 --> 00:07:00,820 No, My Lord, we're not arguing Mr Brooklands was insane 101 00:07:00,887 --> 00:07:02,253 at the time of the accident, 102 00:07:02,322 --> 00:07:07,454 rather, his incoherent state of mind now means he's not fit to stand trial. 103 00:07:07,527 --> 00:07:12,090 This case has attracted a great deal of public concern 104 00:07:12,165 --> 00:07:13,827 and even more anger. 105 00:07:14,567 --> 00:07:16,160 I noticed from the committal papers 106 00:07:16,269 --> 00:07:20,104 you argued your client couldn't get a fair trial anywhere in the country 107 00:07:20,173 --> 00:07:24,201 owing to the amount of hostile publicity that this case has attracted. 108 00:07:24,311 --> 00:07:27,247 You'll get a fair trial from me, I can assure you. 109 00:07:27,347 --> 00:07:29,782 Events have rather overtaken Mr Brooklands. 110 00:07:29,849 --> 00:07:33,445 I would direct Your Lordship to the psychiatric reports. 111 00:07:34,688 --> 00:07:40,093 As set out under the Criminal Procedure Act 1964, 112 00:07:40,593 --> 00:07:43,358 my client is incapable of instructing either myself 113 00:07:43,463 --> 00:07:46,729 or his solicitors as to what submission to put forward. 114 00:07:46,833 --> 00:07:50,201 Well, that must be very worrying for you, Mr Petros. 115 00:07:51,504 --> 00:07:55,498 However, I'm not prepared to accept these reports at face value. 116 00:07:55,575 --> 00:07:57,703 Under the 1964 Act, 117 00:07:57,777 --> 00:08:00,372 if there is any doubt as to a defendant's fitness to plead, 118 00:08:00,447 --> 00:08:03,474 and I'm prepared to give Mr Brooklands the benefit of the doubt, 119 00:08:03,583 --> 00:08:06,883 we must settle this before any evidence is heard. 120 00:08:07,887 --> 00:08:11,585 Now, I want you here tomorrow morning with your client and his doctors. 121 00:08:12,258 --> 00:08:15,660 We shall empanel a jury to give a ruling as to his mental state. 122 00:08:15,729 --> 00:08:20,724 If their verdict is that he is sane, we will then try him on the indictment. 123 00:08:20,834 --> 00:08:23,303 If the court decides that he is unfit to plead, 124 00:08:23,370 --> 00:08:25,498 then under the Criminal Procedures 125 00:08:25,572 --> 00:08:29,441 Act 1991, 126 00:08:29,743 --> 00:08:32,212 we shall conduct a trial of the fact alone. 127 00:08:32,779 --> 00:08:36,045 - 10:00 tomorrow. - With respect, My Lord, 128 00:08:36,349 --> 00:08:40,286 Mr Brooklands' doctors say he's not fit enough to appear in court. 129 00:08:40,387 --> 00:08:43,323 Do they indicate what the possible outcome will be if he does? 130 00:08:43,423 --> 00:08:46,518 Severe damage to his mind is likely to result. 131 00:08:46,626 --> 00:08:49,425 Well, the contention is that he's already severely mentally damaged. 132 00:08:49,496 --> 00:08:52,261 Further damage will be difficult to detect, will it not? 133 00:08:52,332 --> 00:08:55,530 I want you here tomorrow morning with your client and his doctors. 134 00:08:55,602 --> 00:08:57,332 I'm sure he'll be in very capable hands. 135 00:08:57,404 --> 00:08:58,599 All rise. 136 00:08:58,805 --> 00:09:01,434 My Lord, clearly this case should not be heard. 137 00:09:01,541 --> 00:09:03,305 Mr Brooklands is not well enough. 138 00:09:03,376 --> 00:09:05,504 I'm glad you are taking such an interest, Mr James, 139 00:09:05,578 --> 00:09:06,705 but it's on my list. 140 00:09:06,780 --> 00:09:08,476 Manipulated there by your clerk, My Lord. 141 00:09:08,581 --> 00:09:12,074 Then it's fortunate for Mr Brooklands that he has such a fair-minded judge 142 00:09:12,185 --> 00:09:14,814 who won't be influenced by the size of his political donations. 143 00:09:14,888 --> 00:09:16,186 Excuse me, My Lord. 144 00:09:16,256 --> 00:09:19,420 Are you free for a directions hearing in a negligence case? 145 00:09:19,492 --> 00:09:21,256 If it's not too complicated, Mr Harrison. 146 00:09:21,327 --> 00:09:22,625 Oh, half a day, My Lord. 147 00:09:22,695 --> 00:09:26,496 The case itself concerns a claim for damages against One-Way PLC. 148 00:09:26,566 --> 00:09:29,365 Mr Justice Everard was to have heard it but... 149 00:09:29,469 --> 00:09:31,404 Well, counsel for both parties are waiting. 150 00:09:31,504 --> 00:09:33,666 Why isn't Mr Justice Everard hearing it? 151 00:09:33,740 --> 00:09:35,818 Well, it appears he did arrive at the lodgings, My Lord, 152 00:09:35,842 --> 00:09:37,811 but was called back to London. 153 00:09:37,911 --> 00:09:41,211 All right, I'll read the papers. Tell counsel after lunch. 154 00:09:41,848 --> 00:09:43,407 You've had my answer, Mr James. 155 00:09:46,019 --> 00:09:47,783 Have you heard who we're now before? 156 00:09:47,854 --> 00:09:49,652 Mr Justice Everard. It's on the list. 157 00:09:49,722 --> 00:09:53,284 Oh, no. It's the Deed. 158 00:09:53,393 --> 00:09:56,329 John? Well, that doesn't exactly suit me, George. 159 00:09:56,429 --> 00:09:58,808 I could be hauled up in front of the Professional Conduct Committee 160 00:09:58,832 --> 00:09:59,832 at any moment. 161 00:09:59,899 --> 00:10:02,892 So we all know which way the case will go. 162 00:10:03,870 --> 00:10:05,498 We could make a joint approach 163 00:10:05,572 --> 00:10:07,768 and ask him to recuse himself from the case 164 00:10:07,874 --> 00:10:09,843 because of his relationship with us. 165 00:10:09,943 --> 00:10:12,572 My relationship isn't the problem, Jo. 166 00:10:12,645 --> 00:10:15,740 - Your relationship is. - We don't have a relationship. 167 00:10:15,815 --> 00:10:18,250 That's what I hope the PCC accept. 168 00:10:19,686 --> 00:10:21,245 You'll be lucky. 169 00:10:21,354 --> 00:10:24,051 I don't particularly want to hear the case. 170 00:10:24,124 --> 00:10:26,457 Mr Justice Everard is indisposed. 171 00:10:26,526 --> 00:10:28,518 With his leg over some bit. 172 00:10:29,129 --> 00:10:31,655 Sorry, Mrs Channing, what was that? I didn't quite... 173 00:10:31,731 --> 00:10:33,757 I said, "We'll miss his wit." 174 00:10:34,100 --> 00:10:36,763 The Court of Appeal laid down guidelines 175 00:10:36,936 --> 00:10:40,737 as to when a judge may recuse himself from a case. None of them apply here. 176 00:10:40,807 --> 00:10:44,335 With your leave, Judge, I'm compelled to disagree. 177 00:10:44,410 --> 00:10:48,848 Ex-wives are fine, but with current wives or lovers, 178 00:10:48,948 --> 00:10:51,008 there's a risk of possible pillow talk. 179 00:10:51,084 --> 00:10:52,848 You've been listening to the gossip, George. 180 00:10:52,952 --> 00:10:55,649 You know what they say, "No smoke without fire." 181 00:10:55,722 --> 00:10:58,487 There's another saying, "All gong and no dinner." 182 00:10:59,259 --> 00:11:01,854 Well, I can see I'm going to have such fun. 183 00:11:01,928 --> 00:11:03,954 There are remedies to redress 184 00:11:04,063 --> 00:11:07,761 any miscarriage you feel may follow from my having heard the case. 185 00:11:08,968 --> 00:11:10,197 Now, can we get started? 186 00:11:18,978 --> 00:11:22,540 Ian. Mrs Channing just phoned me. 187 00:11:22,615 --> 00:11:26,279 - Deed is hearing the One-Way case. - So it seems. 188 00:11:26,386 --> 00:11:28,912 It's a recipe for disaster. 189 00:11:29,022 --> 00:11:31,719 We're doing all we can to retrieve the situation. 190 00:11:31,824 --> 00:11:33,452 But short of a bomb going off... 191 00:11:33,526 --> 00:11:35,446 Well, surely there's some way we can head it off. 192 00:11:35,495 --> 00:11:38,260 It's already at court, that's the problem. 193 00:11:38,331 --> 00:11:41,665 Mrs Channing will have any number of delaying arguments at her disposal. 194 00:11:41,734 --> 00:11:43,703 Let's hope she uses them. 195 00:11:44,537 --> 00:11:47,507 Meanwhile, I suppose the claimant might die. 196 00:11:47,574 --> 00:11:51,033 That would seem rather heartless, even for the government. 197 00:11:51,144 --> 00:11:53,943 I will get an update on her medical prognosis, Minister. 198 00:11:54,013 --> 00:11:56,573 I gather her brain tumour's quite aggressive. 199 00:11:56,649 --> 00:11:59,278 Good. Keep me informed. 200 00:11:59,652 --> 00:12:02,247 What happened down at Highfield, Laurence? 201 00:12:02,322 --> 00:12:05,258 If any case needs a reliable judge 202 00:12:05,325 --> 00:12:08,557 it's this negligence action against One-Way. 203 00:12:08,661 --> 00:12:11,529 Mr Justice Everard is refusing to sit. 204 00:12:11,631 --> 00:12:15,898 It seems Mr Justice Deed arrived first and took the best rooms at the lodgings. 205 00:12:17,604 --> 00:12:21,507 Is this what I am to tell the Lord Chancellor if this case goes wrong? 206 00:12:22,041 --> 00:12:25,307 It will go wrong under Deed's perverse management. 207 00:12:25,378 --> 00:12:28,143 - Get it away from him. - Well, we don't see how, Sir Ian. 208 00:12:28,214 --> 00:12:29,854 There's a lot of bad feeling between them. 209 00:12:29,882 --> 00:12:32,442 It came about at the Human Rights Seminar at Warwick. 210 00:12:32,552 --> 00:12:36,455 Then putting them together wasn't a sound management strategy. 211 00:12:36,522 --> 00:12:39,219 Why wasn't Deed sent to Carlisle or somewhere instead? 212 00:12:39,292 --> 00:12:41,591 He wanted Highfield again, Sir Ian. 213 00:12:41,661 --> 00:12:44,529 You thought Mr Justice Everard would check him. 214 00:12:44,631 --> 00:12:47,760 Then Everard must get back there and check him! 215 00:12:47,867 --> 00:12:50,530 - Where is he? - In chambers in the Strand, sir. 216 00:12:50,603 --> 00:12:53,368 - I better go and talk to him. - Deed is due to start 217 00:12:53,473 --> 00:12:55,806 the directions hearing after lunch adjournment. 218 00:12:55,908 --> 00:12:59,401 If he does, there's no way we can prise the case away. 219 00:13:00,413 --> 00:13:03,611 We could always appeal to his better nature. 220 00:13:03,683 --> 00:13:06,653 Yes, why not? 221 00:13:11,624 --> 00:13:15,220 - Sorry to interrupt your lunch, John. - Sit down, Ian. 222 00:13:19,866 --> 00:13:22,961 The matter is of some importance. 223 00:13:23,069 --> 00:13:26,665 It's vegetables and tomato ketchup. 224 00:13:28,308 --> 00:13:30,903 Best cook could come up with at short notice. 225 00:13:30,977 --> 00:13:32,445 Didn't she know you were arriving? 226 00:13:32,545 --> 00:13:35,174 Yes, yes, I just forgot to tell her I'd become a vegetarian. 227 00:13:35,248 --> 00:13:37,547 Ah, that could make official dining functions awkward. 228 00:13:37,617 --> 00:13:38,846 No, not really. 229 00:13:38,951 --> 00:13:42,080 I'll just get Mrs Cooper to alert them in advance. 230 00:13:44,057 --> 00:13:46,617 - Your daughter's influence? - Mmm, yes. 231 00:13:46,693 --> 00:13:50,425 But however, I did weigh the evidence as I usually do. 232 00:13:50,496 --> 00:13:53,432 And came to your usual perverse judgement. 233 00:13:54,701 --> 00:13:56,135 Yes. 234 00:13:56,502 --> 00:14:00,371 Now you're worried about a perverse judgement in the mobile phone case. 235 00:14:01,874 --> 00:14:03,740 Have you taken up mind-reading, John? 236 00:14:03,843 --> 00:14:06,711 The more experience one gets the more contacts one makes. 237 00:14:06,779 --> 00:14:08,941 I got an email from somebody in your department. 238 00:14:09,015 --> 00:14:10,215 Would you mind telling me who? 239 00:14:12,085 --> 00:14:15,351 When we breed a culture of spying and reporting back, 240 00:14:15,421 --> 00:14:17,652 eventually we get spied upon 241 00:14:18,624 --> 00:14:20,616 and reported back. 242 00:14:22,929 --> 00:14:26,297 It's thought less than desirable your hearing the cell phone case 243 00:14:26,366 --> 00:14:28,267 with Mrs Mills involved, 244 00:14:28,334 --> 00:14:31,361 in view of her hearing before the Disciplinary Tribunal. 245 00:14:32,105 --> 00:14:34,267 Is that still going ahead? 246 00:14:38,311 --> 00:14:42,214 If this cell phone case were to go against the company 247 00:14:42,782 --> 00:14:45,843 - it could prove difficult for you? - Not me personally. 248 00:14:45,952 --> 00:14:50,083 I mean, it could open a floodgate of litigation. 249 00:14:51,190 --> 00:14:53,853 Like with tobacco and asbestos. 250 00:14:53,926 --> 00:14:57,419 We'd regard it as a great favour if you were to let it go to back to 251 00:14:57,497 --> 00:14:59,557 Monty Everard in the Strand. 252 00:14:59,665 --> 00:15:02,863 The claimant is very poorly and she lives locally. 253 00:15:03,403 --> 00:15:06,532 It seems unkind to ask her to go all the way up to London. 254 00:15:07,106 --> 00:15:08,665 On the other hand, 255 00:15:10,243 --> 00:15:11,836 being owed a favour by your lot 256 00:15:11,944 --> 00:15:14,573 might be a very good position to put myself in. 257 00:15:15,448 --> 00:15:17,417 We would be grateful. 258 00:15:18,651 --> 00:15:21,280 Is Monty Everard amenable to pressure? 259 00:15:21,788 --> 00:15:22,915 Ah. 260 00:15:25,391 --> 00:15:28,919 Does that mean you're not interested in what we might offer you? 261 00:15:29,028 --> 00:15:31,122 Just not convinced you could deliver. 262 00:15:31,230 --> 00:15:33,165 You'd have my word. 263 00:15:34,901 --> 00:15:38,895 Then talk to me about my elevation to the Appellate Bench. 264 00:15:40,773 --> 00:15:43,743 The Lord Chancellor regrets not having a mind 265 00:15:43,810 --> 00:15:45,904 such as yours in the Appeal Court. 266 00:15:46,946 --> 00:15:53,216 And this ridiculously unfair PCC hearing against Mrs Mills being dropped. 267 00:15:54,187 --> 00:15:57,680 The Lord Chancellor's department had very little influence there. 268 00:15:59,125 --> 00:16:03,825 They're all reasonable men on the Disciplinary Tribunal. 269 00:16:08,267 --> 00:16:12,864 Well, the only question remaining, then, Ian, is can we achieve all this 270 00:16:12,939 --> 00:16:15,568 within the next 20 minutes? 271 00:16:16,542 --> 00:16:18,807 I hardly think that's practicable. 272 00:16:18,911 --> 00:16:21,779 Because that's when I'm hearing the arguments for directions 273 00:16:21,848 --> 00:16:24,181 in the mobile phone case. 274 00:16:25,651 --> 00:16:31,181 We respect the integrity and independence of the judiciary, Sir John. 275 00:16:32,091 --> 00:16:35,084 But there comes a point when its very existence 276 00:16:35,194 --> 00:16:39,131 depends upon a workable relationship with the Executive. 277 00:16:39,866 --> 00:16:43,325 Never more so than in the case you're about to hear. 278 00:16:43,402 --> 00:16:47,863 See, with the licence revenue from the mobile phone companies at stake, 279 00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:53,140 well, what is it, £22 billion, this workable relationship 280 00:16:53,212 --> 00:16:57,843 might easily deteriorate into a master-servant relationship. 281 00:16:57,950 --> 00:16:59,248 Couldn't it, Ian? 282 00:17:01,821 --> 00:17:04,222 Sure you won't stay for lunch? 283 00:17:06,993 --> 00:17:08,791 Did you get anywhere with Monty Everard? 284 00:17:08,861 --> 00:17:12,730 No, sir, I'm afraid not. But one of our sources told us 285 00:17:12,832 --> 00:17:16,166 that Deed slept with an attractive French judge at the Warwick seminar 286 00:17:16,269 --> 00:17:19,398 after Mr Justice Everard had spent three days chatting her up. 287 00:17:20,172 --> 00:17:23,370 There's no longer time for Everard to get here before Deed starts. 288 00:17:24,443 --> 00:17:26,105 I'll speak to Everard. 289 00:17:26,178 --> 00:17:29,637 Meanwhile, you better come up with some delaying strategies and fast, Laurence. 290 00:17:47,333 --> 00:17:51,532 - What's happening, Coop? - It's a bomb scare, Judge. 291 00:17:51,604 --> 00:17:53,324 How long are we going to be displaced? 292 00:17:53,372 --> 00:17:56,570 Well, the police are making a minute search of all the buildings. 293 00:17:56,642 --> 00:17:58,543 That could take all afternoon. 294 00:17:58,611 --> 00:18:03,276 The court manager is advising judges to send their cases home for today. 295 00:18:03,382 --> 00:18:05,214 Is he? 296 00:18:05,651 --> 00:18:10,055 Row, its John, I'm at court. We've got a bomb scare. 297 00:18:10,122 --> 00:18:13,286 If I needed some information, could you get it for me? 298 00:18:13,392 --> 00:18:15,918 I doubt if I'd tell you, even if I could. 299 00:18:16,028 --> 00:18:19,487 It'd be available on a need-to-know basis only. Why do you need to know? 300 00:18:19,565 --> 00:18:23,969 Oh, maybe I'm just being paranoid. 301 00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:26,301 Listen, thanks, Row. I'll call you later. 302 00:18:26,372 --> 00:18:28,116 Police don't know where the warning came from 303 00:18:28,140 --> 00:18:30,319 but the caller had enough information about the building 304 00:18:30,343 --> 00:18:32,505 for them to take it seriously. 305 00:18:32,578 --> 00:18:33,910 So the caller knew the building? 306 00:18:35,815 --> 00:18:37,181 Can I get in and get my papers? 307 00:18:37,249 --> 00:18:39,946 Everyone wants to do that, Judge. 308 00:18:41,387 --> 00:18:43,015 Find Mrs Mills and Mrs Channing. 309 00:18:43,089 --> 00:18:45,615 We'll start the directions hearing at the digs. 310 00:18:48,661 --> 00:18:52,621 Mrs Hulsey, as the claimant and the person most inconvenienced 311 00:18:52,698 --> 00:18:55,759 by this action, I need to ask you some questions. 312 00:18:55,868 --> 00:19:00,704 These you can answer directly yourself or through your counsel. 313 00:19:00,773 --> 00:19:02,765 - It's Ms, sir. I'm not married. - I do apologise. 314 00:19:02,875 --> 00:19:05,777 - Is this your son? - Yes. Michael. 315 00:19:05,845 --> 00:19:09,145 - How old are you, Michael? - I'll be eight on June 5th. 316 00:19:09,215 --> 00:19:12,083 - What's the book you're reading? - Lord of the Rings. 317 00:19:12,184 --> 00:19:15,177 Is it? That's impressive for seven. 318 00:19:16,088 --> 00:19:18,717 - What book you on? - Two Towers. 319 00:19:18,824 --> 00:19:22,886 Wow! I was 11 before I read the first book. 320 00:19:22,995 --> 00:19:25,863 - He's a very keen reader. - Yes, he must be. 321 00:19:27,466 --> 00:19:32,530 Ms Hulsey, is it your earnest intention to pursue this claim? 322 00:19:32,605 --> 00:19:34,506 It is. It's why I'm here. 323 00:19:34,573 --> 00:19:37,907 Well, you see, it needn't necessarily follow. 324 00:19:37,977 --> 00:19:39,639 No doubt your barrister, Mrs Mills, 325 00:19:39,745 --> 00:19:42,738 has explained to you what will happen, but believe me, 326 00:19:42,815 --> 00:19:45,683 whatever she has said, that's only the half of it. 327 00:19:47,586 --> 00:19:52,718 Is your health such that you're likely to be able to finish? 328 00:19:52,825 --> 00:19:56,819 Some days it's better than others. I'm determined to continue. 329 00:20:00,299 --> 00:20:02,928 This case was to have been heard by Mr Justice Everard. 330 00:20:03,035 --> 00:20:04,697 Would you prefer to wait for him 331 00:20:04,770 --> 00:20:07,672 or are you content to be heard here by me? 332 00:20:11,977 --> 00:20:14,378 My client would prefer to be heard as soon as possible. 333 00:20:14,447 --> 00:20:18,248 She feels that if there are protracted delays, her health might give out. 334 00:20:18,350 --> 00:20:21,149 All right. And do you understand that this is just a hearing 335 00:20:21,220 --> 00:20:23,917 about whether evidence is admissible 336 00:20:24,023 --> 00:20:26,993 and that should the defendant's arguments prevail, 337 00:20:27,059 --> 00:20:28,618 I might prevent you from proceeding? 338 00:20:28,694 --> 00:20:32,426 Yes, Jo... Mrs Mills explained that to me. 339 00:20:32,498 --> 00:20:36,629 All right. Is there any way that this case can be settled 340 00:20:36,702 --> 00:20:39,399 without recourse to the court? 341 00:20:39,505 --> 00:20:41,599 We don't accept there is a case to settle. 342 00:20:41,707 --> 00:20:44,108 No need to stand. Mrs Mills? 343 00:20:44,176 --> 00:20:46,907 The defendants have approached us on several occasions 344 00:20:46,979 --> 00:20:49,175 to argue points they feel will invalidate the case. 345 00:20:49,248 --> 00:20:51,615 We don't accept the contention. 346 00:20:51,684 --> 00:20:54,176 Then it seems likely you're going to trial. 347 00:20:54,954 --> 00:20:57,253 But the case is ready to go before a judge? 348 00:20:57,356 --> 00:20:59,668 That's what we're about to hear, Ms Hulsey. Shall we start? 349 00:20:59,692 --> 00:21:04,027 Before we do, My Lord, I have a point of law I'd like to raise. 350 00:21:04,830 --> 00:21:07,231 - Go on. - I wish to challenge the legality 351 00:21:07,299 --> 00:21:10,792 of your conducting this hearing in this informal setting. 352 00:21:10,903 --> 00:21:13,395 You have an authority to support this challenge, Mrs Channing? 353 00:21:13,506 --> 00:21:16,738 Well, I'm sure I do, My Lord, if only I were in a formal setting 354 00:21:16,809 --> 00:21:18,835 where I had access to Halsbury's Laws. 355 00:21:18,944 --> 00:21:23,211 Well, alas, we are not and you don't. 356 00:21:23,315 --> 00:21:25,079 However, I am certain 357 00:21:25,184 --> 00:21:28,586 that my decision to hold the directions hearing here is sound. 358 00:21:28,654 --> 00:21:31,818 The Supreme Court Act 1981 is a bit like the Bible. 359 00:21:32,858 --> 00:21:35,851 - My Lord, I wish to develop my argument. - Then do so. 360 00:21:37,196 --> 00:21:40,462 You know very well I can't at present. 361 00:21:41,233 --> 00:21:43,429 Then, Mrs Channing, to quote Wittgenstein, 362 00:21:43,502 --> 00:21:46,802 "Whereof we cannot speak, thereof we must remain silent." 363 00:21:47,506 --> 00:21:52,137 Let's hear your argument on the evidence you want excluded, shall we? 364 00:21:52,211 --> 00:21:54,442 I cannot remain silent and witness an injustice 365 00:21:54,547 --> 00:21:56,345 perpetrated against my client. 366 00:21:56,415 --> 00:22:00,284 If you don't remain silent on other than the substance of the pre-trial hearing, 367 00:22:00,386 --> 00:22:03,481 I'll hold you in contempt, and this is your only warning. 368 00:22:03,589 --> 00:22:08,050 Is this going to be your argument on the evidence you want excluded? 369 00:22:09,595 --> 00:22:13,123 As you will know from your papers, My Lord, my argument relates 370 00:22:13,232 --> 00:22:16,464 to an email the claimant illegally obtained from the internet. 371 00:22:16,535 --> 00:22:21,132 I'd gladly develop my argument, if only I had access to my papers, 372 00:22:21,207 --> 00:22:26,373 which at this moment sit inaccessible in Number 2 court. 373 00:22:28,047 --> 00:22:30,539 Fine. Well, then, having started this case, 374 00:22:30,616 --> 00:22:32,482 I will adjourn it till tomorrow. 375 00:22:32,585 --> 00:22:35,145 When, Mr Clerk, I'm afraid I'm unable to say at present. 376 00:22:35,221 --> 00:22:36,985 But I would like both parties 377 00:22:37,056 --> 00:22:39,423 to stand by until I'm free of my other case. 378 00:22:39,491 --> 00:22:41,460 Until the morning. 379 00:22:42,661 --> 00:22:43,822 Jo? 380 00:22:46,365 --> 00:22:50,234 I'm afraid the Disciplinary Tribunal is going ahead with the hearing. 381 00:22:52,538 --> 00:22:54,871 They keep me waiting on tenterhooks for 11 months 382 00:22:54,940 --> 00:22:56,875 and I get to hear it from you. Great. 383 00:22:56,942 --> 00:23:00,003 I meant what I promised, Jo. I will fight them with you. 384 00:23:00,112 --> 00:23:02,290 My head of chambers thinks that might make matters worse. 385 00:23:02,314 --> 00:23:03,558 Do we know who's chairing the hearing? 386 00:23:03,582 --> 00:23:06,228 No, it'll be a High Court judge, though. You'll come out of this all right. 387 00:23:06,252 --> 00:23:08,847 I don't want to come out all right, I want to be cleared. 388 00:23:08,954 --> 00:23:10,820 It's all your fault anyway. 389 00:23:21,066 --> 00:23:25,197 - They didn't find any bombs, John. - No, I bet they didn't. 390 00:23:28,140 --> 00:23:31,110 Now, I find it hard to believe that a senior civil servant 391 00:23:31,176 --> 00:23:33,771 would pull such a stroke just to stop you hearing a case. 392 00:23:33,846 --> 00:23:36,543 Oh, I doubt if Ian actually made the call himself. 393 00:23:36,615 --> 00:23:38,846 Or the circuit administrator. 394 00:23:40,019 --> 00:23:42,250 But if it was done and they've involved someone else 395 00:23:42,354 --> 00:23:44,482 they're at an even greater risk of exposure. 396 00:23:44,590 --> 00:23:47,719 You have to consider what's at stake. 397 00:23:48,394 --> 00:23:52,729 Mobile phone licences are worth £22 billion to the government. 398 00:23:52,831 --> 00:23:54,891 If juries start finding in favour of claimants, 399 00:23:54,967 --> 00:23:57,967 they could blow some of these mobile phone companies right out of the water. 400 00:23:58,070 --> 00:24:00,505 Presumably their insurance companies would pay. 401 00:24:00,572 --> 00:24:03,940 Insurance companies are now declining cover. 402 00:24:04,009 --> 00:24:05,773 Yes, well, I see the pressure. 403 00:24:05,844 --> 00:24:08,245 I'll try to find out more about the bomb. 404 00:24:09,381 --> 00:24:11,179 A word, sir? 405 00:24:15,220 --> 00:24:17,655 Do you want your clerk to hear this? 406 00:24:18,924 --> 00:24:20,902 Well, I can't think it's anything that she won't know 407 00:24:20,926 --> 00:24:24,294 within five minutes of your leaving my chambers, Monty. 408 00:24:24,396 --> 00:24:27,230 This is going to be a difficult term for us. 409 00:24:28,233 --> 00:24:31,431 - Is there a problem? - Oh, don't be cute, sir. 410 00:24:31,503 --> 00:24:34,302 I'm the Presider. I have seniority in court and in lodgings. 411 00:24:34,373 --> 00:24:37,002 You took my room at the digs. 412 00:24:37,109 --> 00:24:40,170 Well, I'll move my things if it matters so much to you. 413 00:24:40,245 --> 00:24:44,649 The issue is one of good manners. I've moved to a hotel. 414 00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:46,844 What is of greater importance is the case 415 00:24:46,952 --> 00:24:48,682 that you've taken which I was hearing. 416 00:24:48,787 --> 00:24:52,417 No, I take cases as they arrive, the cab-rank principle. 417 00:24:52,491 --> 00:24:57,020 You'd declined to sit, so as the next most senior judge, the case came to me. 418 00:24:57,096 --> 00:24:58,656 No, I was going to hear it in the Strand 419 00:24:58,731 --> 00:25:01,724 but the claimant was ill, so I agreed to hear it on circuit. 420 00:25:01,834 --> 00:25:02,911 Well, if you wanted the case 421 00:25:02,935 --> 00:25:05,598 the normal procedure is to reserve it to yourself. 422 00:25:05,704 --> 00:25:09,368 Don't presume to instruct me in procedure, I know the form. 423 00:25:09,475 --> 00:25:10,773 I want my case back. 424 00:25:10,876 --> 00:25:15,610 I'm happy to give you the room, Monty, but the negligence case is now mine. 425 00:25:15,714 --> 00:25:19,742 No, sir, you will observe the correct procedure and give the case up. 426 00:25:19,818 --> 00:25:21,411 No. 427 00:25:21,487 --> 00:25:25,982 In all my days on the bench, I have never encountered such discourtesy. 428 00:25:26,058 --> 00:25:28,994 I'm shocked by your behaviour. I won't tolerate it. 429 00:25:29,061 --> 00:25:32,088 You'll come to regret crossing swords with me, sir. 430 00:25:32,164 --> 00:25:34,633 All right. Still don't get the case. 431 00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:38,603 I seriously doubt your ability to hear this or any other case. 432 00:25:40,973 --> 00:25:42,339 Goodbye, Monty. 433 00:25:49,415 --> 00:25:52,044 Oh, dear. Hadn't you better let him have the case, Judge? 434 00:25:52,151 --> 00:25:54,279 He is the Presider, after all. 435 00:25:55,020 --> 00:25:58,184 In another country one might suspect him of being venal. 436 00:25:58,991 --> 00:26:02,120 He could have shares in the mobile phone company. 437 00:26:02,227 --> 00:26:04,628 Oh, I doubt it. He'd have to recuse himself. 438 00:26:04,696 --> 00:26:07,632 You know what they call him around the Strand, Judge? 439 00:26:07,699 --> 00:26:10,294 You mustn't repeat such things. 440 00:26:11,437 --> 00:26:14,339 Yes, I know. Legover Everard. 441 00:26:18,977 --> 00:26:21,742 Keep your ear to the ground, Coop. 442 00:26:21,814 --> 00:26:24,807 This won't be their last attempt to get the case back. 443 00:26:29,822 --> 00:26:32,883 You're up about late, Ian. Or did you dine locally? 444 00:26:32,991 --> 00:26:35,119 I came bearing an olive branch. 445 00:26:35,227 --> 00:26:37,128 Oh, do we need one? 446 00:26:46,371 --> 00:26:50,934 We cannot allow this rift to deepen between you and Sir Monty Everard. 447 00:26:51,710 --> 00:26:54,646 I agreed to give him the best room. 448 00:26:54,746 --> 00:26:58,410 What I won't agree is to relinquish a case I've now started. 449 00:26:58,517 --> 00:27:00,816 I understand the principle entirely. 450 00:27:00,886 --> 00:27:03,082 Does Monty Everard? 451 00:27:03,188 --> 00:27:07,990 This is so unnecessary. It seems Mrs Channing is to offer you 452 00:27:08,060 --> 00:27:11,861 an argument that will provide you with a neat exit from this impasse. 453 00:27:13,765 --> 00:27:15,757 Is it an impasse? 454 00:27:17,169 --> 00:27:18,694 Oh, thank you. 455 00:27:24,309 --> 00:27:27,370 This is entirely coincidental, John. 456 00:27:28,247 --> 00:27:32,617 But there is a vacancy arising on the Appellate Bench. 457 00:27:34,186 --> 00:27:37,418 Regardless of the opposition from your brethren, 458 00:27:38,357 --> 00:27:40,326 the Lord Chancellor is keen for you to fill it. 459 00:27:43,529 --> 00:27:46,328 Are you making me an offer? 460 00:27:46,431 --> 00:27:49,060 You know we only have the power to recommend. 461 00:27:49,134 --> 00:27:52,104 The Queen would appoint you, should you indicate your willingness 462 00:27:52,171 --> 00:27:54,606 to accept the elevation. 463 00:27:55,807 --> 00:27:56,934 Well, 464 00:27:58,977 --> 00:28:01,742 in view of our past, Ian, 465 00:28:01,813 --> 00:28:04,339 I think I would need to see the small print. 466 00:28:06,785 --> 00:28:11,189 Judge, Mrs Mills has just heard the Disciplinary Tribunal 467 00:28:11,256 --> 00:28:12,849 is on Thursday and Friday. 468 00:28:12,925 --> 00:28:16,521 This Thursday and Friday? What brought that on? 469 00:28:16,628 --> 00:28:18,096 Did she say who's chairing it? 470 00:28:18,197 --> 00:28:19,797 Only that she needs to be free of court. 471 00:28:19,831 --> 00:28:23,063 She doesn't want to leave the beginning of the mobile phone case to her junior. 472 00:28:23,135 --> 00:28:26,902 That case might not even run, Coop, at least not before me. 473 00:28:33,312 --> 00:28:35,247 I trust you now have some authority 474 00:28:35,347 --> 00:28:38,579 for your argument yesterday, Mrs Channing? 475 00:28:38,650 --> 00:28:44,180 St Edmonsbury and Ipswich Diocesan Board of Finance and Clarke, 476 00:28:44,256 --> 00:28:47,920 Chancery cases 1973, at page 323, 477 00:28:48,026 --> 00:28:51,121 was what I was groping for, My Lord. 478 00:28:53,565 --> 00:28:57,434 Mr Justice McGarry took the Chancery Division to Suffolk 479 00:28:57,502 --> 00:29:01,064 to take evidence from an 84-year-old witness in poor health. 480 00:29:01,139 --> 00:29:04,906 He did so without the authorisation of the Lord Chancellor. 481 00:29:04,977 --> 00:29:08,436 The Appeal Court judge held that it wasn't constitutional to do so 482 00:29:08,547 --> 00:29:10,743 and overturned the judgement. 483 00:29:11,984 --> 00:29:16,251 I confess to not being familiar with this case, Mrs Channing. 484 00:29:17,789 --> 00:29:20,122 Accepting that time is against the claimant, 485 00:29:20,225 --> 00:29:22,854 I could overrule you for compassionate reasons 486 00:29:22,928 --> 00:29:24,692 as I have heard nothing so far to suggest 487 00:29:24,796 --> 00:29:28,631 that anything I did is remotely anomalous in law. 488 00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:30,669 I am reluctant to do so. 489 00:29:30,736 --> 00:29:32,376 If any judgement in favour of the claimant 490 00:29:32,437 --> 00:29:35,168 might be overruled on a technicality. 491 00:29:35,274 --> 00:29:37,539 Although as you are perfectly well aware, 492 00:29:37,609 --> 00:29:40,204 I made no ruling other than to adjourn the hearing. 493 00:29:40,312 --> 00:29:44,443 I see no point in proceeding with this until I've read the authority. 494 00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:46,160 So, I'll give my ruling first thing in the morning. 495 00:29:46,184 --> 00:29:47,277 My Lord... 496 00:29:47,386 --> 00:29:48,963 I'll hear from you first thing, Mrs Mills. Till morning. 497 00:29:48,987 --> 00:29:50,615 All rise. 498 00:29:52,991 --> 00:29:54,516 Are we winning? 499 00:29:57,729 --> 00:29:59,493 The fitness to plead in the causing death 500 00:29:59,598 --> 00:30:02,067 by dangerous driving case is waiting, Judge. 501 00:30:02,134 --> 00:30:04,865 Is the defendant present now? 502 00:30:04,936 --> 00:30:07,872 Yes, Judge, with an army of psychiatrists. 503 00:30:07,939 --> 00:30:11,137 Oh, I'm sure Mr Brooklands can afford them. 504 00:30:13,312 --> 00:30:15,406 Perhaps you'd get me some coffee, Coop? 505 00:30:15,514 --> 00:30:16,607 Yeah. 506 00:30:22,087 --> 00:30:24,079 - Are you still in the building? - Yes. 507 00:30:24,456 --> 00:30:26,015 Fancy some coffee? 508 00:30:26,091 --> 00:30:27,851 I don't think so, not without George present. 509 00:30:28,126 --> 00:30:29,719 Oh, we won't talk about the case. 510 00:30:30,729 --> 00:30:32,197 Anyway, Coop's here. 511 00:30:32,431 --> 00:30:34,923 We can invite George if it'd make you feel more comfortable. 512 00:30:35,033 --> 00:30:38,435 She already embroiders this relationship more than she should. 513 00:30:38,937 --> 00:30:40,315 Thanks, Coop. Would you mind staying? 514 00:30:40,339 --> 00:30:43,104 We are going to discuss Mrs Mills' disciplinary hearing. 515 00:30:43,175 --> 00:30:46,509 Well, I've been called as a witness, Judge, for the Bar Council. 516 00:30:46,578 --> 00:30:49,047 Ah, I forgot. You've been asked to give a statement. 517 00:30:49,147 --> 00:30:51,412 Well, no, perhaps you better not stay. 518 00:30:52,617 --> 00:30:54,609 I don't know what they think I can tell them. 519 00:30:54,686 --> 00:30:58,817 What you can or cannot tell them is not what interests them, Coop. 520 00:31:04,496 --> 00:31:06,624 They really mean to get me, don't they? 521 00:31:11,903 --> 00:31:13,496 All rise. 522 00:31:22,547 --> 00:31:25,642 My apologies for the delay. I have another case. 523 00:31:26,551 --> 00:31:29,419 There is difficulty in being in two places at once. 524 00:31:29,821 --> 00:31:31,756 Now then, Mr Petros. 525 00:31:34,059 --> 00:31:36,426 Does your client understand where he is? 526 00:31:36,495 --> 00:31:39,897 More importantly, does he know why he's here? 527 00:31:39,998 --> 00:31:42,263 Alas, the nature of his illness 528 00:31:42,334 --> 00:31:46,271 is such that he dips in and out of his cognitive functions. 529 00:31:48,006 --> 00:31:52,535 I would direct you to the Crown against Pritchard in 1836. 530 00:31:52,611 --> 00:31:54,051 As I am sure Your Lordship is aware, 531 00:31:54,112 --> 00:31:56,547 this is the leading case of determination. 532 00:31:57,182 --> 00:32:01,210 Baron Allison characterised this most important question thus, 533 00:32:02,254 --> 00:32:04,621 "Is the defendant of sufficient intellect 534 00:32:04,689 --> 00:32:07,921 "to comprehend the course of the proceedings in a trial, 535 00:32:08,026 --> 00:32:10,427 "so as to make a proper defence?" 536 00:32:11,797 --> 00:32:13,561 The answer here, you will discover, 537 00:32:13,665 --> 00:32:17,432 on examining both the defendant and the doctors 538 00:32:18,303 --> 00:32:19,703 is certainly that he is not. 539 00:32:19,771 --> 00:32:23,538 Yes, thank you, Mr Petros, I am familiar with this leading case. 540 00:32:23,608 --> 00:32:25,600 In current law, 541 00:32:25,710 --> 00:32:28,202 the question to be tried by a judge and jury 542 00:32:28,313 --> 00:32:32,978 is whether the defendant is capable of giving, receiving, and understanding 543 00:32:33,051 --> 00:32:35,282 communications relating to a criminal trial. 544 00:32:35,387 --> 00:32:39,654 The issues the court will focus on in deciding are 545 00:32:39,758 --> 00:32:43,422 the challenging of a jury, the idea of a plea, 546 00:32:43,495 --> 00:32:46,124 evidence given in the trial and 547 00:32:46,231 --> 00:32:49,133 whether he is capable of instructing his solicitors. 548 00:32:49,968 --> 00:32:52,335 I assume he did instruct solicitors? 549 00:32:52,437 --> 00:32:55,373 Initially, then, subsequently he dropped out of the box. 550 00:32:55,474 --> 00:32:57,705 His wife has been instructing them since. 551 00:32:57,776 --> 00:33:00,177 - Is Mrs Brooklands in court? - She is. 552 00:33:01,913 --> 00:33:03,973 Ah, Mrs Brooklands. 553 00:33:04,049 --> 00:33:07,952 Is your husband capable of giving you his instructions? 554 00:33:08,954 --> 00:33:10,149 No, not any longer. 555 00:33:10,222 --> 00:33:13,852 I instruct his solicitor according to what I believe he would want. 556 00:33:14,659 --> 00:33:16,321 I see. Thank you. 557 00:33:23,668 --> 00:33:27,161 You see, the crime with which Mr Brooklands is charged 558 00:33:28,406 --> 00:33:30,500 is extraordinarily grave. 559 00:33:32,177 --> 00:33:36,774 That he recklessly drove his car into two young children and their mother 560 00:33:36,848 --> 00:33:40,808 causing their death and then wantonly left the scene. 561 00:33:40,886 --> 00:33:44,414 Were he to walk away from court without a trial, 562 00:33:44,489 --> 00:33:48,017 either to establish his mental condition 563 00:33:48,093 --> 00:33:52,497 or to see if he was indeed the author of this dreadful tragedy, 564 00:33:52,597 --> 00:33:54,327 might lead the public to wonder 565 00:33:54,432 --> 00:33:56,867 whether justice is possible under the law. 566 00:33:57,569 --> 00:34:01,563 We must first establish whether the defendant is fit to plead. 567 00:34:01,673 --> 00:34:04,302 Sp let us empanel a jury for the first part. 568 00:34:04,376 --> 00:34:06,675 My Lord, would you hear an argument in chambers? 569 00:34:06,745 --> 00:34:08,111 No, Mr Petros, 570 00:34:08,179 --> 00:34:11,638 this is a matter now for a jury, for the reasons I've just given. 571 00:34:12,584 --> 00:34:15,418 Let's have the jury candidates, Mr Clerk. 572 00:34:16,788 --> 00:34:20,225 I'm not sure, but I think I might agree with defence counsel. 573 00:34:20,292 --> 00:34:23,262 There's a possibility Brooklands might not get a fair trial. 574 00:34:23,328 --> 00:34:25,490 You must be joking, Judge. 575 00:34:25,597 --> 00:34:27,566 Do you think he's faking his illness? 576 00:34:27,666 --> 00:34:29,760 You can't let him avoid his responsibilities. 577 00:34:29,868 --> 00:34:32,133 Men do that too easily, Judge. 578 00:34:43,114 --> 00:34:45,310 We going to school or court? 579 00:34:47,852 --> 00:34:48,979 Mum? 580 00:35:03,101 --> 00:35:06,094 I'm sorry you have to cope with this, Michael. 581 00:35:06,171 --> 00:35:08,731 You're so very brave. 582 00:35:08,807 --> 00:35:10,867 Most adults wouldn't have a clue what to do. 583 00:35:10,942 --> 00:35:12,934 Have you got to stay here? 584 00:35:13,011 --> 00:35:14,741 No, I won't do that, darling. 585 00:35:14,813 --> 00:35:16,805 - Hi, Michael. - Hi, Armac. 586 00:35:19,784 --> 00:35:22,049 What are we going to do with you, Di? 587 00:35:24,889 --> 00:35:26,755 Has it got worse? 588 00:35:26,825 --> 00:35:29,852 It's now a grade 4 astrocytoma. 589 00:35:29,928 --> 00:35:31,829 They don't get any better, Di. 590 00:35:33,231 --> 00:35:36,326 Did you think any more about that radical radiotherapy? 591 00:35:38,169 --> 00:35:39,831 Have the odds improved? 592 00:35:41,473 --> 00:35:43,135 It's still six-to-one. 593 00:35:43,208 --> 00:35:45,074 But if we leave it, then... 594 00:35:48,179 --> 00:35:52,173 - How's your case going? - Well, at least it's going to court. 595 00:35:53,585 --> 00:35:55,679 Mmm. You're not going to give up. 596 00:35:57,956 --> 00:36:02,690 Well, here we are again. All very cosy. 597 00:36:02,794 --> 00:36:04,888 John just itching to give you your way again. 598 00:36:04,996 --> 00:36:08,160 George, what is your problem? Are you still in love with him? 599 00:36:09,234 --> 00:36:10,759 I don't think I ever was. 600 00:36:10,869 --> 00:36:12,428 Then why don't you leave him alone? 601 00:36:12,504 --> 00:36:15,474 It's the unfairness of the situation for my clients. 602 00:36:15,540 --> 00:36:18,408 How could you be married to a man for so long, bear his child, 603 00:36:18,510 --> 00:36:20,172 and still know so little about him? 604 00:36:20,278 --> 00:36:23,214 John would never say or do anything dishonest. 605 00:36:23,314 --> 00:36:27,115 - There's no denying you were in his bed. - When? 606 00:36:27,185 --> 00:36:29,347 I've seen the photos. 607 00:36:29,421 --> 00:36:30,980 Photos, what photos? 608 00:36:31,056 --> 00:36:34,993 I'd like to know how he's going to save this career he's worked so hard on. 609 00:36:35,060 --> 00:36:36,619 George, what is that meant to mean? 610 00:36:36,695 --> 00:36:38,493 You work it out. 611 00:36:39,264 --> 00:36:40,892 They're ready in court. 612 00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:44,269 - What photos? Who took them? - You tell me. 613 00:36:44,335 --> 00:36:46,770 They're your rooms I was in. I was drunk, remember? 614 00:36:46,871 --> 00:36:48,396 A spy sneaked into my room. 615 00:36:48,506 --> 00:36:51,567 You know how much faith courts and tribunals place in such evidence. 616 00:36:51,676 --> 00:36:52,700 I'll be finished. 617 00:36:55,780 --> 00:36:59,182 Mrs Channing, I have read your authority, 618 00:36:59,250 --> 00:37:01,845 and it seems to me that you've completely reversed the meaning. 619 00:37:01,953 --> 00:37:04,787 Either that or you're being entirely facetious. 620 00:37:04,856 --> 00:37:06,085 Oh, entirely facetious. 621 00:37:06,191 --> 00:37:09,059 Mrs Channing, you'll have to speak up. 622 00:37:09,127 --> 00:37:10,652 I do apologise, My Lord, 623 00:37:10,729 --> 00:37:14,222 in my haste to prevent an injustice, I misread the authority. 624 00:37:14,299 --> 00:37:16,928 However, there is another point of law I'd like to raise 625 00:37:17,035 --> 00:37:19,368 concerning your hearing this case, My Lord. 626 00:37:19,471 --> 00:37:21,440 - You surprise me. - Doesn't she? 627 00:37:23,475 --> 00:37:27,674 With respect, My Lord, my argument concerns your hearing this case. 628 00:37:29,114 --> 00:37:33,609 In view of your personal involvement with counsel for the claimant, 629 00:37:33,718 --> 00:37:37,177 my client fails to see how they can get an impartial hearing. 630 00:37:37,255 --> 00:37:39,156 That would be a matter for appeal 631 00:37:39,224 --> 00:37:41,716 should this court find against your client. 632 00:37:41,826 --> 00:37:44,489 Well, it's a simple matter, My Lord, that can be resolved here. 633 00:37:44,596 --> 00:37:46,531 My clients would feel more comfortable 634 00:37:46,631 --> 00:37:49,032 were you to recuse yourself from this case. 635 00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:52,867 The functioning of justice in this country is entirely dependent 636 00:37:52,937 --> 00:37:56,066 upon the impartiality of the judiciary. 637 00:37:56,141 --> 00:37:58,110 As Lord Bingham pointed out in Locabail, 638 00:37:58,176 --> 00:38:02,375 All England Reports 2000, Volume 1, page 69, 639 00:38:02,447 --> 00:38:05,611 that right is guaranteed by the European Convention of Human and Rights. 640 00:38:05,717 --> 00:38:08,619 Do you want the full quotation? No. 641 00:38:09,654 --> 00:38:12,818 I would direct Your Lordship to the Pinochet Appeal 2000. 642 00:38:12,891 --> 00:38:14,985 The House of Lords held that the appeal was unsafe 643 00:38:15,059 --> 00:38:16,823 because the wife of one of the appeal judges 644 00:38:16,895 --> 00:38:19,091 had a relationship with Amnesty International. 645 00:38:19,197 --> 00:38:20,825 I fail to see the relevance. 646 00:38:20,899 --> 00:38:22,765 There the connection, if tenuous, was plain. 647 00:38:22,867 --> 00:38:24,768 I have no relationship with Mrs Mills, 648 00:38:24,869 --> 00:38:27,964 other than the fact that like many other barristers, she appears before me. 649 00:38:28,072 --> 00:38:30,974 My Lord, this won't satisfy my clients. 650 00:38:31,075 --> 00:38:34,876 Mrs Channing, judges are not there to be chosen by litigants 651 00:38:34,946 --> 00:38:36,574 as they might choose a car. 652 00:38:36,648 --> 00:38:40,551 She's appearing before a Disciplinary Tribunal of the Bar Council. 653 00:38:40,618 --> 00:38:41,796 No, no, no. No, that's enough. 654 00:38:41,820 --> 00:38:43,731 I want to address you on what she's accused of doing. 655 00:38:43,755 --> 00:38:46,054 No. I have ruled. This matter is now closed. 656 00:38:46,157 --> 00:38:49,059 It's something for the Court of Appeal if this goes against your clients. 657 00:38:49,127 --> 00:38:51,426 Now, do you have any more points of law? 658 00:38:51,863 --> 00:38:55,197 Might we have a short adjournment while I consult my clients? 659 00:38:57,035 --> 00:38:58,697 Fifteen minutes? 660 00:39:02,173 --> 00:39:05,337 Ian, I've just been called out of a cabinet sub-committee 661 00:39:05,410 --> 00:39:06,935 by George Channing. 662 00:39:08,813 --> 00:39:12,181 - You know what I'm about to say. - Minister. 663 00:39:13,852 --> 00:39:17,186 We're doing all we can to wrestle the case away from Deed. 664 00:39:17,255 --> 00:39:20,248 That's easy in theory, in practice it proves very difficult. 665 00:39:20,358 --> 00:39:22,452 This is getting out of hand, Ian. 666 00:39:22,527 --> 00:39:25,224 All the ministers with an interest are unanimous on this. 667 00:39:25,296 --> 00:39:27,629 Then perhaps they have a solution. 668 00:39:27,699 --> 00:39:31,067 No. That is for our civil servants to come up with. 669 00:39:32,170 --> 00:39:35,163 I'm in the hot seat because the Department of Trade and Industry 670 00:39:35,273 --> 00:39:37,367 sold these cell phone licences. 671 00:39:37,475 --> 00:39:40,673 And, of course, I do find myself in a rather delicate position 672 00:39:40,745 --> 00:39:42,907 because George Channing is involved in the case. 673 00:39:42,981 --> 00:39:45,576 Perhaps you could get her to assassinate him. 674 00:39:46,818 --> 00:39:48,650 We'd happily supply the gun. 675 00:39:49,487 --> 00:39:52,047 You do realise what's at stake here? 676 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,886 Mobile phones are not a health hazard. 677 00:39:57,996 --> 00:40:00,727 Then we've nothing to concern ourselves about. 678 00:40:00,832 --> 00:40:03,461 Everyone suffers from such negative publicity. 679 00:40:03,534 --> 00:40:06,971 I doubt it will cost the government or companies much in lost revenue. 680 00:40:07,071 --> 00:40:10,803 After all, negative publicity hasn't cost the tobacco companies anything. 681 00:40:10,909 --> 00:40:13,140 Mobile phones are entirely different. 682 00:40:13,978 --> 00:40:17,779 Tobacco is not an essential element of business or social interaction. 683 00:40:18,816 --> 00:40:21,786 If this goes wrong, Ian, mobile phone companies 684 00:40:21,853 --> 00:40:26,018 could be faced with swingeing compensation claims against them. 685 00:40:26,090 --> 00:40:28,491 We do have one more lever under Deed, 686 00:40:28,593 --> 00:40:31,893 when Mrs Mills appears before the disciplinary hearing. 687 00:40:32,664 --> 00:40:33,791 A big shock. 688 00:40:33,865 --> 00:40:36,664 Mmm. It had better amount to something. 689 00:40:49,447 --> 00:40:51,143 Call me on my land line. 690 00:40:51,449 --> 00:40:52,712 It is my clients' wish 691 00:40:52,784 --> 00:40:55,529 that I do not pursue the matter of your impartiality further, My Lord. 692 00:40:55,553 --> 00:40:56,577 Then can we get on? 693 00:40:56,654 --> 00:40:59,146 For fear it will prejudice their case. 694 00:40:59,223 --> 00:41:02,159 It couldn't, as you well know, Mrs Channing. 695 00:41:03,194 --> 00:41:07,723 Now, you have some objection to the evidence being offered by the claimant. 696 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,827 The claimant and her counsel have not only behaved unfairly, 697 00:41:11,903 --> 00:41:14,930 indeed, they have behaved unlawfully, My Lord. 698 00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:17,770 They have in their possession copies of erased emails 699 00:41:17,875 --> 00:41:20,106 sent by my clients and to my clients. 700 00:41:20,611 --> 00:41:24,378 These they obtained in contravention of the laws of procedure. 701 00:41:24,449 --> 00:41:26,748 Were these documents sought in disclosure, Mrs Mills? 702 00:41:26,818 --> 00:41:29,811 They were, My Lord. Despite frequent requests, 703 00:41:29,887 --> 00:41:31,981 the defendants failed to produce them. 704 00:41:32,056 --> 00:41:35,356 For the simple reason they did not exist as disclosable documents 705 00:41:35,426 --> 00:41:37,088 at the time this action was started. 706 00:41:37,195 --> 00:41:41,633 Mrs Channing, documents, whether physical or electronic, are disclosable 707 00:41:41,699 --> 00:41:42,779 if they relate to the case. 708 00:41:42,867 --> 00:41:44,733 These relate directly to the case. 709 00:41:44,836 --> 00:41:47,965 The documents contain a report showing a causal link 710 00:41:48,072 --> 00:41:52,168 between the radiation in the form of microwaves produced by cell phones 711 00:41:52,276 --> 00:41:56,304 and scrambled patterns of electrical activity in the brain. 712 00:41:56,381 --> 00:41:58,341 This leads to the stripping of proteins from cells 713 00:41:58,383 --> 00:41:59,976 which can in turn lead to tumours. 714 00:42:00,051 --> 00:42:02,816 These do sound like disclosable documents, Mrs Channing. 715 00:42:02,887 --> 00:42:05,618 Had they existed in the control of my clients. 716 00:42:05,690 --> 00:42:08,785 The fact is they had erased them long before this action was started. 717 00:42:08,860 --> 00:42:10,852 So our contention is that they are not disclosable 718 00:42:10,928 --> 00:42:13,261 and should not be admissible. 719 00:42:14,699 --> 00:42:16,895 Well, it's a fair point, Mrs Mills. 720 00:42:16,968 --> 00:42:20,302 Are we to assume that these documents form the main plank of your case? 721 00:42:20,371 --> 00:42:24,934 They are important supportive evidence and show the defendant's culpability. 722 00:42:25,009 --> 00:42:28,275 One-Way was alerted to the problems, the health problems, 723 00:42:28,346 --> 00:42:29,780 their product posed. 724 00:42:29,847 --> 00:42:34,649 Now, instead of accepting the advice of independent scientists, 725 00:42:34,752 --> 00:42:39,156 they chose to erase both the paper and electronic trails. 726 00:42:39,223 --> 00:42:42,193 We now have a situation where there is a floodgate 727 00:42:42,260 --> 00:42:44,491 waiting to burst open with claims, 728 00:42:44,595 --> 00:42:47,724 and a company, whose sole economic imperative 729 00:42:47,832 --> 00:42:50,358 is to keep the gates firmly closed. 730 00:42:51,702 --> 00:42:55,764 My Lord, my clients are an internationally quoted company 731 00:42:55,873 --> 00:42:58,570 with a reputation both in employment and social equity 732 00:42:58,676 --> 00:43:00,577 which they guard jealously. 733 00:43:00,678 --> 00:43:05,013 There is no question of their attempting to foist a deceit on the public. 734 00:43:05,116 --> 00:43:07,950 To do so would be counterproductive to their business 735 00:43:08,019 --> 00:43:10,386 and run counter to their ethos. 736 00:43:11,189 --> 00:43:14,887 Profit does not equate with social irresponsibility, 737 00:43:14,992 --> 00:43:17,188 as my learned friend seems to be suggesting. 738 00:43:17,261 --> 00:43:20,060 The question a jury might reasonably ask is 739 00:43:20,131 --> 00:43:23,465 why did the company erase the emails? 740 00:43:24,502 --> 00:43:29,372 The reason is simply that if my clients had to keep every electronic message, 741 00:43:29,474 --> 00:43:32,933 they would be required to maintain unimaginable hordes of documents 742 00:43:33,010 --> 00:43:36,469 in an electronic warehouse in cyberspace. 743 00:43:37,448 --> 00:43:39,417 It's not an unreasonable argument, Mrs Mills. 744 00:43:39,517 --> 00:43:42,976 It wouldn't be unreasonable until you consider the content of the emails 745 00:43:43,054 --> 00:43:44,488 and who they were from. 746 00:43:44,589 --> 00:43:48,424 Independent scientists who One-Way employed to test their phones. 747 00:43:48,493 --> 00:43:51,725 Correspondence from whom they were happy to retain 748 00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:54,731 until they began receiving negative findings 749 00:43:54,832 --> 00:43:57,411 which no longer supported their contention that their phones were safe. 750 00:43:57,435 --> 00:43:59,529 If you look in your bundle marked A, My Lord, 751 00:43:59,637 --> 00:44:02,129 you will see a trail of emails 752 00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:04,869 and supporting correspondence from the early development 753 00:44:04,942 --> 00:44:08,310 of the ZP-9 phone, the type Ms Hulsey used. 754 00:44:08,379 --> 00:44:11,508 On average there were some 11 emails a day 755 00:44:11,582 --> 00:44:13,710 passing between the company and the scientists, 756 00:44:13,784 --> 00:44:16,811 up until December 3, 2000, 757 00:44:16,888 --> 00:44:19,983 when they announced their negative findings. 758 00:44:20,057 --> 00:44:23,357 The gap between December 4th and December 12th 759 00:44:23,427 --> 00:44:27,626 are the crucial missing emails which spelt out the causal linkage 760 00:44:27,698 --> 00:44:30,964 between the phones and the damaged brain cells. 761 00:44:31,068 --> 00:44:35,062 On the 13th of December, the emails resumed, 762 00:44:35,139 --> 00:44:37,267 terminating their contract. 763 00:44:38,543 --> 00:44:40,808 You have a logical explanation, Mrs Channing? 764 00:44:40,912 --> 00:44:44,349 I'm reliably informed by the company that during that period 765 00:44:44,415 --> 00:44:47,214 they were being attacked by internet viruses 766 00:44:47,385 --> 00:44:51,015 and that their network was shut down for long periods. 767 00:44:51,355 --> 00:44:55,053 Then how do you account for these emails that were retrieved? 768 00:44:55,159 --> 00:44:59,597 We would argue there is no proof they are our clients' documents. 769 00:44:59,664 --> 00:45:01,394 Yeah, all right, 770 00:45:01,465 --> 00:45:04,924 in which case you are right to stoutly resist their inclusion. 771 00:45:05,036 --> 00:45:07,369 I think the safest way to proceed 772 00:45:07,471 --> 00:45:10,031 would be to call the expert who retrieved these documents 773 00:45:10,107 --> 00:45:13,168 and find out whether or not they are forgeries. 774 00:45:13,277 --> 00:45:16,406 Do I have the written report of this expert? 775 00:45:16,514 --> 00:45:19,382 It’s in your bundle, marked 6A, My Lord. 776 00:45:23,221 --> 00:45:25,656 Yes. Okay. Got it. 777 00:45:25,756 --> 00:45:27,622 And is the witness available? 778 00:45:30,294 --> 00:45:33,128 - He is, My Lord. - My Lord, 779 00:45:33,231 --> 00:45:37,168 the admissibility or inadmissibility of these documents 780 00:45:37,268 --> 00:45:40,761 does not depend on how some spotty cybernerd retrieved them 781 00:45:40,871 --> 00:45:43,340 but whether they are disclosable. 782 00:45:43,441 --> 00:45:46,468 They were not because they did not exist. 783 00:45:47,311 --> 00:45:51,749 Only the spotty cybernerd can tell us that, Mrs Channing. 784 00:45:51,816 --> 00:45:53,375 We'd better have him in. 785 00:45:55,386 --> 00:45:59,619 Mr Arditti, could you look at the report marked 6A in your bundle 786 00:45:59,690 --> 00:46:01,283 and tell us what it is? 787 00:46:02,693 --> 00:46:07,063 A report I compiled based on recovered material to One-Way PLC. 788 00:46:07,131 --> 00:46:09,691 Can you tell the court of what that material consists? 789 00:46:09,767 --> 00:46:13,602 Erased emails sent by One-Way and some received by them. 790 00:46:13,704 --> 00:46:18,608 Mr Arditti, if emails are erased how can you pick them up? 791 00:46:18,676 --> 00:46:20,611 Nothing is ever truly erased, Your Honour. 792 00:46:20,678 --> 00:46:22,670 It's indelibly printed on the ether. 793 00:46:22,780 --> 00:46:25,249 Anyone can pick up this material and read it? 794 00:46:25,316 --> 00:46:28,775 With the technical know-how, sir, if they can reconstruct them. 795 00:46:29,053 --> 00:46:32,319 And you can clearly identify their origin? 796 00:46:32,423 --> 00:46:34,517 Oh, yes, from their ISP ident. 797 00:46:36,227 --> 00:46:38,162 Yeah, but where do they actually exist? 798 00:46:38,262 --> 00:46:40,891 Perhaps if I were to reveal the information? 799 00:46:40,965 --> 00:46:42,194 Yeah. 800 00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:48,171 Mr Arditti, how many lost or erased emails have you or your firm recovered? 801 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,003 Thousands. It's what we do. 802 00:46:50,107 --> 00:46:52,167 In what circumstances do you do this? 803 00:46:52,243 --> 00:46:55,736 Mostly material lost by power cuts and viruses. 804 00:46:55,813 --> 00:46:58,112 Sometimes people hit the wrong button. 805 00:46:58,215 --> 00:47:01,083 In your expert opinion, Mr Arditti, 806 00:47:01,185 --> 00:47:04,815 could you say whether the documents deleted by One-Way and recovered by you 807 00:47:04,889 --> 00:47:06,687 had been deleted intentionally? 808 00:47:06,757 --> 00:47:10,956 My Lord, this witness cannot possibly give an answer to such a question. 809 00:47:11,062 --> 00:47:13,531 He is an expert witness, Mrs Channing. 810 00:47:13,597 --> 00:47:16,692 He isn't an expert in mind-reading. 811 00:47:16,767 --> 00:47:20,033 He couldn't possibly know the intentions of my clients. 812 00:47:20,137 --> 00:47:21,833 I'll rephrase my question. 813 00:47:21,939 --> 00:47:24,807 Is it possible that even an inexperienced IT user 814 00:47:24,875 --> 00:47:28,971 could have erased nine separate but related emails by mistake? 815 00:47:29,046 --> 00:47:31,914 No, not even by block erasement. 816 00:47:33,384 --> 00:47:38,084 My Lord, under Rule 31-7 of the Civil Procedure Rules, 817 00:47:38,155 --> 00:47:40,852 defendants are under a duty to make 818 00:47:40,925 --> 00:47:45,363 a reasonable search for documents which adversely affect their own case. 819 00:47:45,463 --> 00:47:47,489 It would seem they didn't search. 820 00:47:47,565 --> 00:47:50,933 They couldn't, because the emails had been erased. 821 00:47:51,635 --> 00:47:54,696 Mrs Channing, I'm sure you've advised your clients 822 00:47:54,772 --> 00:47:57,970 that Section 450 of the Companies Act 1985 823 00:47:58,042 --> 00:47:59,601 provides that a company officer 824 00:47:59,677 --> 00:48:02,806 who destroys, mutilates or falsifies a document 825 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:07,215 affecting the company's affairs may be liable to prosecution? 826 00:48:07,284 --> 00:48:09,276 The directors of One-Way PLC 827 00:48:09,387 --> 00:48:12,846 are conversant with the laws governing companies and are not in breach of them. 828 00:48:12,923 --> 00:48:14,892 We would argue in the alternative, 829 00:48:14,959 --> 00:48:18,987 were the documents deemed admissible, as you seem determined they are. 830 00:48:19,096 --> 00:48:21,065 I'm determining no such thing. 831 00:48:21,132 --> 00:48:22,760 I would contend there is no proof, 832 00:48:22,867 --> 00:48:25,393 they are or ever were the company's documents. 833 00:48:25,503 --> 00:48:26,630 They have One-Way's logo 834 00:48:26,737 --> 00:48:29,935 and bear the name of the Marketing Director, Max Solveigh. 835 00:48:31,375 --> 00:48:33,241 Anyone could have printed these documents. 836 00:48:33,344 --> 00:48:36,781 First we'd better establish if these documents are authentic. 837 00:48:37,648 --> 00:48:41,983 Mr Arditti, can you trace these documents back to the company? 838 00:48:42,052 --> 00:48:44,886 As if it had been a physical letter on their stationery, 839 00:48:44,955 --> 00:48:48,323 using their old typewriters with the director's signature at the end of it. 840 00:48:48,426 --> 00:48:51,692 Yes, but as Mrs Channing pointed out, anybody could have sent such a document. 841 00:48:51,762 --> 00:48:55,096 If you compare these emails with those sent by the research company earlier, 842 00:48:55,166 --> 00:48:58,159 you'll see the same phrasing, the same use of jargon. 843 00:48:58,235 --> 00:49:01,728 Is Mr Arditti now a language expert? 844 00:49:02,940 --> 00:49:06,240 It might be useful, My Lord, if we were to ask Mr Arditti 845 00:49:06,343 --> 00:49:08,175 how he came to the missing emails? 846 00:49:08,245 --> 00:49:10,009 Yes, all right. Mr Arditti? 847 00:49:11,916 --> 00:49:14,681 We had asked the research company, Whitten and Malle, for them. 848 00:49:14,785 --> 00:49:18,085 They did the testing for One-Way on the ZP-9. 849 00:49:18,189 --> 00:49:22,320 They refused to help because it was part of their confidentiality clause. 850 00:49:22,426 --> 00:49:25,555 But it was later sent to us by Whitten and Malle as a ghost, 851 00:49:25,663 --> 00:49:29,293 mistakenly attached to their email response to some innocuous enquiries. 852 00:49:29,366 --> 00:49:31,460 My Lord, this is more and more ludicrous. 853 00:49:31,535 --> 00:49:34,505 I would ask that the court reject these documents as inadmissible. 854 00:49:34,572 --> 00:49:38,976 No, I'm not inclined to without further investigation of their source. 855 00:49:40,344 --> 00:49:43,405 First, I'm going to consider them over an adjournment 856 00:49:43,481 --> 00:49:45,109 to see if they are germane to the case. 857 00:49:45,216 --> 00:49:46,775 You would. 858 00:49:46,851 --> 00:49:48,183 All rise. 859 00:49:54,291 --> 00:49:57,955 - Well, we can see where this is going. - I hope so, George, I do hope so. 860 00:49:58,062 --> 00:50:00,964 I daresay you'll decide that in bed together. 861 00:50:01,065 --> 00:50:03,261 Oh, wouldn't that be nice? 862 00:50:12,676 --> 00:50:13,803 George. 863 00:50:13,878 --> 00:50:16,040 Ah. This is a surprise. 864 00:50:18,382 --> 00:50:20,613 Of course, I was hoping to hear some of the argument. 865 00:50:20,684 --> 00:50:23,051 The Deed already suspects some sort of government collusion 866 00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,179 to protect my client. 867 00:50:24,255 --> 00:50:28,124 The presence of the Secretary of State in court would convince him. 868 00:50:28,225 --> 00:50:29,318 Neil. 869 00:50:29,860 --> 00:50:31,692 - Good to see you. - Max, how are you? 870 00:50:31,762 --> 00:50:33,740 At this rate I'm going to be the marketing director 871 00:50:33,764 --> 00:50:35,892 of an insolvent mobile phone company. 872 00:50:35,966 --> 00:50:37,935 Our shares slipped another two points today. 873 00:50:38,002 --> 00:50:39,368 Oh, it will stop. 874 00:50:40,237 --> 00:50:41,432 I promise you. 875 00:50:42,339 --> 00:50:46,435 Mrs Cooper, is it possible to have a word with the judge? 876 00:50:46,544 --> 00:50:49,343 As a failed litigant, I think you know better, Sergeant. 877 00:50:49,413 --> 00:50:50,972 It's not about my case. 878 00:50:52,016 --> 00:50:54,315 Well, I wouldn't hold your breath. 879 00:50:54,919 --> 00:50:57,115 Mrs Mills, might we have a word? 880 00:50:57,221 --> 00:50:59,918 If you're brief, Mr James. I have a tuba lesson. 881 00:51:00,624 --> 00:51:02,616 We wondered if we might be of any assistance 882 00:51:02,693 --> 00:51:05,492 over your appearance before the Disciplinary Tribunal? 883 00:51:05,563 --> 00:51:08,192 Why would you? It came from your department in the beginning. 884 00:51:08,299 --> 00:51:10,461 We were compelled to act on a complaint. 885 00:51:10,534 --> 00:51:12,025 Then make it go away. 886 00:51:13,304 --> 00:51:16,570 That is almost entirely in the gift of Mr Justice Deed. 887 00:51:19,009 --> 00:51:20,944 Shall we walk you to your car? 888 00:51:27,885 --> 00:51:31,617 The Brooklands case isn't coming back this afternoon, Judge. 889 00:51:32,423 --> 00:51:34,619 Mr Brooklands had a fit. 890 00:51:34,692 --> 00:51:38,185 I thought he was on so many drugs he could barely move. 891 00:51:40,497 --> 00:51:42,329 Is Mrs Mills going to win the argument, Judge? 892 00:51:42,399 --> 00:51:43,765 No, I don't think so, Coop. 893 00:51:43,867 --> 00:51:46,200 Not if the emails were obtained illegally. 894 00:51:46,303 --> 00:51:49,569 Oh, dear, that's more bad news for her. 895 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,973 I heard Mr Justice Everard 896 00:51:52,042 --> 00:51:54,841 is presiding at her Disciplinary Tribunal hearing. 897 00:51:56,046 --> 00:51:57,878 Where'd you hear that? 898 00:51:58,649 --> 00:52:00,777 Mr Justice Everard's clerk. 899 00:52:04,455 --> 00:52:06,754 You could get us out of this, you know. 900 00:52:08,258 --> 00:52:10,937 The circuit administrator implied that if you dropped the cell phone case 901 00:52:10,961 --> 00:52:13,294 my Disciplinary Tribunal would vanish. 902 00:52:13,364 --> 00:52:14,798 Now, that is illegal. 903 00:52:14,898 --> 00:52:17,094 I'll have him bounced right out of the system. 904 00:52:17,167 --> 00:52:18,726 It's my word against his. 905 00:52:18,802 --> 00:52:20,914 And who'd believe me, especially if I lose the hearing? 906 00:52:20,938 --> 00:52:23,908 Jo, I told you I'd give evidence at the Tribunal. 907 00:52:23,974 --> 00:52:26,739 And what will you say? That I wasn't in your bed? 908 00:52:27,544 --> 00:52:28,544 If necessary. 909 00:52:28,612 --> 00:52:31,446 Great, then they'll produce the photos and prove you a liar. 910 00:52:31,515 --> 00:52:33,093 Don't even know what's in the photos yet. 911 00:52:33,117 --> 00:52:35,609 George says they're of us in bed. 912 00:52:37,087 --> 00:52:40,216 Who's doing the hearing for you? Is he any good? 913 00:52:41,325 --> 00:52:43,089 Eleven months this has been going on. 914 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,652 - Finally, you ask. - Si... 915 00:52:45,729 --> 00:52:47,493 What's his name? Simon Norwalk, isn't it? 916 00:52:47,564 --> 00:52:49,658 He's got a good reputation. 917 00:52:49,733 --> 00:52:51,998 Providing he gives it full attention. 918 00:52:52,102 --> 00:52:53,313 If you are not going to stop this hearing 919 00:52:53,337 --> 00:52:54,948 the less I have to do with you at the moment... 920 00:52:54,972 --> 00:52:56,883 What do you want me to do? Make a deal with Ian Rochester? 921 00:52:56,907 --> 00:52:58,170 Give the case to Legover? 922 00:52:58,242 --> 00:53:00,074 Fine, I'll make it all go away. 923 00:53:00,177 --> 00:53:02,612 I don't know! 924 00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,091 I'm not sure that's the best thing for Diana Hulsey and her son. 925 00:53:05,115 --> 00:53:07,277 No, it's best for you, though, isn't it? 926 00:53:07,384 --> 00:53:09,114 You think that's taking responsibility? 927 00:53:09,219 --> 00:53:11,654 Oh, I see, that's what it's all about, is it? 928 00:53:11,722 --> 00:53:14,021 Fine, I'll resign, and we'll get married. 929 00:53:14,091 --> 00:53:16,526 Oh, grow up, John! Right now I feel as if 930 00:53:16,627 --> 00:53:19,627 I am drowning and everything that you do is just another stone in my pocket. 931 00:53:19,663 --> 00:53:23,191 Yeah, go on, walk out. No, don't! Don't do that. 932 00:53:23,734 --> 00:53:24,963 Stop. 933 00:53:26,303 --> 00:53:29,364 Let's think about this logically, there's bound to be a solution. 934 00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,342 Think about your dinner. The oil's burning. 935 00:53:47,224 --> 00:53:50,922 Judge, my husband James Brooklands, he's not faking it. 936 00:53:51,028 --> 00:53:52,690 Why do you assume I think he is? 937 00:53:52,763 --> 00:53:53,856 Well, I thought that... 938 00:53:53,931 --> 00:53:56,924 Really, you mustn't approach me like this, Mrs Brooklands. 939 00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,732 He's such a decent man, he's kind and generous. 940 00:54:03,907 --> 00:54:05,773 Members of the jury, 941 00:54:05,843 --> 00:54:08,972 this a trial unlike any you've come across before 942 00:54:09,046 --> 00:54:11,208 or are likely to again. 943 00:54:11,849 --> 00:54:17,288 You are not trying the defendant as to his being guilty or not guilty. 944 00:54:18,322 --> 00:54:21,850 You are being asked to decide whether he is capable of understanding 945 00:54:21,925 --> 00:54:23,826 what is unfolding before him. 946 00:54:24,695 --> 00:54:28,462 Our contention is that he is incapable of understanding 947 00:54:28,532 --> 00:54:31,001 and therefore should not be in the dock. 948 00:54:31,101 --> 00:54:34,765 He should, as I hope you'll agree after hearing evidence 949 00:54:34,838 --> 00:54:37,933 from our eminent psychiatrists, 950 00:54:38,008 --> 00:54:40,477 be in hospital receiving treatment. 951 00:54:41,378 --> 00:54:47,648 Dr Shapiro, are you professor of psychiatry, King's College, London, 952 00:54:47,718 --> 00:54:50,449 and author of Uncognitive Mind? 953 00:54:51,121 --> 00:54:52,885 Yes, I am. 954 00:54:53,457 --> 00:54:56,757 Have you examined the defendant, James Brooklands? 955 00:54:56,860 --> 00:54:59,921 Yes, at length over the past four months. 956 00:54:59,997 --> 00:55:02,262 Has he shown any change in that period? 957 00:55:02,332 --> 00:55:05,393 He has. Unfortunately, none for the better. 958 00:55:05,502 --> 00:55:07,801 He has withdrawn into a catatonic state 959 00:55:07,905 --> 00:55:10,704 where he has no recognition of what is present 960 00:55:10,774 --> 00:55:11,935 and what is past. 961 00:55:12,009 --> 00:55:14,535 Can he function in this state? 962 00:55:14,611 --> 00:55:17,581 Tie his shoelaces, shave, clean his teeth? 963 00:55:17,648 --> 00:55:19,583 He's not unconscious. 964 00:55:19,650 --> 00:55:24,054 Catatonic states merely cut off conscious recognition or response. 965 00:55:24,121 --> 00:55:28,422 If you saw him in the street and called, "James..." 966 00:55:32,062 --> 00:55:34,258 He wouldn't respond. 967 00:55:34,331 --> 00:55:35,560 I see. 968 00:55:37,467 --> 00:55:41,302 Dr Shapiro, if the defendant were found guilty as charged 969 00:55:41,371 --> 00:55:43,033 and sent to prison, 970 00:55:43,140 --> 00:55:46,440 what in your opinion would be his reaction? 971 00:55:46,543 --> 00:55:49,411 Because of the absence of cognitive powers, 972 00:55:49,479 --> 00:55:52,210 it would make no difference to his sense of well-being 973 00:55:52,282 --> 00:55:56,777 whether he was given a long prison sentence or a complete discharge. 974 00:56:04,728 --> 00:56:06,356 Mr Gaydon? 975 00:56:08,999 --> 00:56:12,163 Could a patient fake this illness, Doctor? 976 00:56:12,236 --> 00:56:15,104 - I've never seen it faked. - Will he recover, Doctor? 977 00:56:15,172 --> 00:56:17,732 If I may, My Lord, please. 978 00:56:18,342 --> 00:56:23,679 Dr Shapiro, did you write a paper in 1995 979 00:56:23,780 --> 00:56:26,682 positing that any number of mental patients 980 00:56:26,783 --> 00:56:28,513 were at any given time 981 00:56:28,619 --> 00:56:30,520 faking their illnesses? 982 00:56:30,621 --> 00:56:32,715 I don't think so. 983 00:56:35,459 --> 00:56:38,019 Is that a paper written by you? 984 00:56:38,095 --> 00:56:40,587 Are you exhibiting this, Mr Gaydon? 985 00:56:40,697 --> 00:56:42,962 I will be, My Lord. 986 00:56:46,103 --> 00:56:50,336 That is my paper. I have to confess to have been 987 00:56:50,407 --> 00:56:54,606 heavily influenced at the time by the then professor of forensic psychiatry 988 00:56:54,678 --> 00:56:57,045 at Birmingham University. 989 00:56:57,147 --> 00:56:59,878 Like him, have you known offenders 990 00:56:59,983 --> 00:57:02,475 who, because they've been declared mentally ill, 991 00:57:02,586 --> 00:57:05,886 have been allowed to shuffle away from the Crown Courts? 992 00:57:05,956 --> 00:57:10,155 Then to be released from the mental hospital a few months later 993 00:57:10,260 --> 00:57:12,320 completely cured and free? 994 00:57:12,396 --> 00:57:15,332 Not with a catatonic condition. 995 00:57:18,135 --> 00:57:22,903 When was Mr Brooklands last able to give his defence team instruction? 996 00:57:22,973 --> 00:57:26,774 He was barely able to instruct them when I was first asked to examine him. 997 00:57:26,843 --> 00:57:31,076 But he was, to all intents and purposes, instructing his defence? 998 00:57:31,181 --> 00:57:34,913 I doubt it. He can barely conduct a coherent conversation. 999 00:57:35,419 --> 00:57:36,512 Mmm. 1000 00:57:37,321 --> 00:57:40,018 Yet less than five weeks ago 1001 00:57:40,090 --> 00:57:44,255 he wrote a cheque in part payment of defence expenses. 1002 00:57:44,328 --> 00:57:45,489 How could he do that, Doctor? 1003 00:57:45,562 --> 00:57:47,895 He can still write his name. 1004 00:57:47,965 --> 00:57:51,094 He doesn't know what he's writing. 1005 00:57:51,168 --> 00:57:55,230 Then it's fortunate for the defence team that they put his chequebook 1006 00:57:55,339 --> 00:57:58,332 duly filled in with all the details in front of him. 1007 00:57:58,408 --> 00:58:02,175 Would you confine yourself to questions, Mr Gaydon? 1008 00:58:02,245 --> 00:58:06,706 I do apologise, My Lord. I have no further questions. 1009 00:58:06,817 --> 00:58:09,286 Mr Petros, do you want to come back? 1010 00:58:10,620 --> 00:58:13,556 Dr Shapiro, was there any process of cognitive treatment 1011 00:58:13,657 --> 00:58:17,025 that Mr Brooklands underwent during the time you've been seeing him? 1012 00:58:17,094 --> 00:58:21,930 Yes, of course. He was encouraged to partake in familiar functions. 1013 00:58:21,999 --> 00:58:25,197 Was signing a cheque one of these functions? 1014 00:58:25,302 --> 00:58:28,602 Yes, it was part of his cognitive behaviour therapy. 1015 00:58:31,942 --> 00:58:34,673 What is your prognosis for Mr Brooklands? 1016 00:58:35,746 --> 00:58:38,773 It is hoped that with sustained cognitive behaviour therapy 1017 00:58:38,849 --> 00:58:40,715 he will recover some recognition. 1018 00:58:40,817 --> 00:58:45,414 In what sort of time frame might you expect a result? 1019 00:58:45,489 --> 00:58:50,553 Perhaps in two or three years. It's hard to quantify. 1020 00:58:50,660 --> 00:58:52,595 It's not likely to happen suddenly? 1021 00:58:52,696 --> 00:58:55,393 I've never known patients to recover quickly. 1022 00:58:56,466 --> 00:58:59,561 Is this sort of treatment available through the NHS? 1023 00:58:59,636 --> 00:59:02,629 Mr Brooklands is being treated privately. 1024 00:59:02,739 --> 00:59:05,208 Oh, I see. Another cheque? 1025 00:59:06,276 --> 00:59:09,440 There is treatment available through state medicine 1026 00:59:09,546 --> 00:59:13,483 but too many psychiatrists have jumped on cognitive behaviour therapy 1027 00:59:13,583 --> 00:59:18,248 because it's inexpensive, but they don't employ it properly. 1028 00:59:18,321 --> 00:59:22,088 Would it be injurious to Mr Brooklands 1029 00:59:22,159 --> 00:59:25,357 if he were to go into the witness box? 1030 00:59:25,462 --> 00:59:28,193 He simply wouldn't know why he's there. 1031 00:59:28,298 --> 00:59:29,732 I see. 1032 00:59:30,767 --> 00:59:34,795 All right, let us assume, just assume for the moment, 1033 00:59:34,905 --> 00:59:38,740 that it was Mr Brooklands who brought about the deaths 1034 00:59:38,809 --> 00:59:41,142 of this young mother and her two children 1035 00:59:41,211 --> 00:59:43,373 and then fled the scene. 1036 00:59:43,447 --> 00:59:46,975 That the terrible regret that he then suffered 1037 00:59:47,050 --> 00:59:50,214 caused him to lapse into this catatonic state. 1038 00:59:51,088 --> 00:59:52,750 And then two or three years later 1039 00:59:52,856 --> 00:59:55,519 he emerges from the psychiatric hospital, 1040 00:59:55,625 --> 00:59:58,686 your treatment having been successful. 1041 00:59:59,863 --> 01:00:03,322 What is it then that would prevent him from lapsing back 1042 01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,164 into this catatonic state 1043 01:00:05,235 --> 01:00:08,171 when he's faced with the prospect of standing trial? 1044 01:00:08,238 --> 01:00:12,175 Part of the treatment is to bring about self-awareness in the patient. 1045 01:00:12,242 --> 01:00:15,610 The idea is to get him to face all that he's escaping from. 1046 01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:16,738 Yes, yes, yes, I see, 1047 01:00:16,813 --> 01:00:20,807 but in the meanwhile he's a risk to himself and others. 1048 01:00:20,884 --> 01:00:23,979 That is why he's in a psychiatric hospital, My Lord. 1049 01:00:24,054 --> 01:00:28,924 Well, seems eminently sensible. 1050 01:00:30,427 --> 01:00:36,663 So I think for his own safety and in view of the public outrage, 1051 01:00:36,733 --> 01:00:38,793 under the Mental Health Act, 1052 01:00:38,902 --> 01:00:42,395 perhaps I should commit Mr Brooklands to Broadmoor. 1053 01:00:42,506 --> 01:00:43,769 No, no. 1054 01:00:46,042 --> 01:00:47,567 You can't, I'm mentally ill. 1055 01:00:47,644 --> 01:00:48,988 My Lord, it's not a proper response. 1056 01:00:49,012 --> 01:00:51,481 Well, of course, you're quite right, Mr Petros, it isn't. 1057 01:00:51,581 --> 01:00:53,311 Your client doesn't seem to think so either. 1058 01:00:53,416 --> 01:00:57,012 Patients quite often have such moments of lucidity, My Lord. 1059 01:00:57,087 --> 01:00:59,352 Your words, Doctor, not mine. 1060 01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,755 I think I'm going to take a short break. 1061 01:01:05,862 --> 01:01:09,765 Members of the jury, why don't you go and get yourselves a cup of coffee. 1062 01:01:12,569 --> 01:01:15,004 I wish to see counsel in chambers. 1063 01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:01,079 If you tell me, as counsel, that you had no part in this conspiracy 1064 01:02:01,184 --> 01:02:02,516 to deceive the court... 1065 01:02:02,619 --> 01:02:05,020 - Judge. - Mr Petros. 1066 01:02:06,289 --> 01:02:09,054 If as Queen's Counsel, you tell me that you're blameless 1067 01:02:09,125 --> 01:02:12,687 then I must believe you and there the matter will end, 1068 01:02:12,762 --> 01:02:16,164 provided we move swiftly to the trial on the indictment. 1069 01:02:16,266 --> 01:02:19,031 My Lord, I'm guided entirely by the psychiatric team. 1070 01:02:19,135 --> 01:02:22,162 I'm convinced the defendant followed every word that went on 1071 01:02:22,239 --> 01:02:23,935 and so is this jury. 1072 01:02:24,007 --> 01:02:25,999 Now, we can continue and Mr Gaydon 1073 01:02:26,076 --> 01:02:29,478 can bring in expert witnesses to challenge the highly paid team 1074 01:02:29,579 --> 01:02:31,810 the defence has amassed. 1075 01:02:32,282 --> 01:02:35,377 Or you can take instruction from your perfectly lucid client, 1076 01:02:35,452 --> 01:02:39,822 we'll swear another jury and proceed to trial on the indictment. 1077 01:02:43,093 --> 01:02:46,723 I'm aware of no conspiracy to deceive the court. 1078 01:02:46,796 --> 01:02:47,957 Fine. 1079 01:02:48,932 --> 01:02:53,836 I'll talk to the instructing solicitor and seek instructions from the client. 1080 01:02:53,937 --> 01:02:55,166 Good. 1081 01:03:04,547 --> 01:03:07,073 It doesn't matter that you haven't been called upon 1082 01:03:07,183 --> 01:03:09,311 to deliberate in this instance. 1083 01:03:09,419 --> 01:03:13,880 Mr Brooklands' return to lucidity has been accepted 1084 01:03:13,957 --> 01:03:16,358 by his lawyers as permanent. 1085 01:03:16,459 --> 01:03:20,191 So if you will go with the jury bailiff for now. Thank you. 1086 01:03:25,435 --> 01:03:28,098 Mr Gaydon, I assume the prosecution is ready to try the charge 1087 01:03:28,171 --> 01:03:29,434 on the indictment? 1088 01:03:29,539 --> 01:03:31,098 Yes, My Lord, we are. 1089 01:03:31,174 --> 01:03:34,042 With your leave, My Lord, in light of the changed circumstances, 1090 01:03:34,144 --> 01:03:36,010 might we have an adjournment? 1091 01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:38,913 I don't really want this to drag on. How long? 1092 01:03:39,015 --> 01:03:40,677 Two weeks would be sufficient. 1093 01:03:40,784 --> 01:03:42,309 Mr Harrison? 1094 01:03:42,419 --> 01:03:47,483 Three weeks would be more convenient, My Lord. The 29th? 1095 01:03:47,557 --> 01:03:50,152 Yes, all right, 29th it is. 1096 01:03:50,260 --> 01:03:54,391 In the meanwhile, Mr Gaydon, the CPS might reconsider the charge. 1097 01:03:54,497 --> 01:03:57,865 Causing death by dangerous driving might more reasonably be 1098 01:03:57,934 --> 01:04:01,132 ratcheted up to manslaughter through gross negligence. 1099 01:04:01,204 --> 01:04:04,231 My Lord, that seems hardly fair to my client at this late stage. 1100 01:04:04,341 --> 01:04:06,606 And how fair would it seem to the deceased's family 1101 01:04:06,676 --> 01:04:09,475 or to the general public, if in the light of Mr Brooklands 1102 01:04:09,579 --> 01:04:13,243 being found guilty, I could only sentence him to 10 years? 1103 01:04:13,316 --> 01:04:16,081 Now, if there is sufficient evidence it seems reasonable that 1104 01:04:16,186 --> 01:04:18,712 a graver charge be put on the indictment. 1105 01:04:18,822 --> 01:04:21,087 Then might the same bail terms be kept? 1106 01:04:21,157 --> 01:04:24,525 Mr Brooklands is currently in hospital receiving treatment. 1107 01:04:24,594 --> 01:04:27,689 In the changed circumstances, hospital isn't appropriate. 1108 01:04:27,764 --> 01:04:29,665 He will be remanded in custody. 1109 01:04:29,733 --> 01:04:32,567 I think there is a very real risk that he'll abscond, 1110 01:04:32,635 --> 01:04:34,228 based on what I've seen today. 1111 01:04:34,337 --> 01:04:36,602 No, Alexander, don't let this happen. 1112 01:04:36,706 --> 01:04:38,265 He can't do this to me. 1113 01:04:38,375 --> 01:04:42,836 Mr Brooklands, this miraculous recovery 1114 01:04:42,946 --> 01:04:47,077 is enough to make true believers of us all. 1115 01:04:47,183 --> 01:04:49,379 Now, I'm encouraged that you now seem fit 1116 01:04:49,452 --> 01:04:51,444 to face up to your responsibilities. 1117 01:04:51,521 --> 01:04:55,014 This is a trait often lacking in men who appear before me. 1118 01:04:55,091 --> 01:04:57,356 - Take him down. - Alexander, this is not fair. 1119 01:04:57,460 --> 01:05:00,191 Do something! Clive, call someone! 1120 01:05:05,535 --> 01:05:09,802 Coop, get hold of Simon Norwalk for me, would you, please? 1121 01:05:09,906 --> 01:05:12,171 He's Mrs Mills' barrister. 1122 01:05:12,242 --> 01:05:13,886 I'd like to meet with him as soon as possible. 1123 01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:14,910 Yeah. 1124 01:05:17,147 --> 01:05:20,481 Thank you for fitting me in at such short notice. 1125 01:05:20,583 --> 01:05:24,042 Presumably you didn't discuss this with Mrs Mills. 1126 01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,521 - No. - She didn't want you called. 1127 01:05:28,091 --> 01:05:33,155 It is necessary I point out the risk you run, Sir John, 1128 01:05:33,263 --> 01:05:36,131 in becoming a witness for Mrs Mills. 1129 01:05:36,199 --> 01:05:37,997 What risk is that, Mr Norwalk? 1130 01:05:38,101 --> 01:05:41,503 If she were to be found guilty of professional misconduct, 1131 01:05:41,571 --> 01:05:43,767 it might damage your reputation. 1132 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:47,538 Equally if I fail to take responsibility for my part. 1133 01:05:47,610 --> 01:05:49,579 I have to be frank, sir. 1134 01:05:50,613 --> 01:05:53,583 Did you sleep with Mrs Mills? 1135 01:05:54,851 --> 01:05:56,217 No. 1136 01:05:57,454 --> 01:06:00,856 There appears to be evidence to the contrary. 1137 01:06:01,424 --> 01:06:05,293 Photographs taken by some peeping Tom. What's in it? 1138 01:06:05,361 --> 01:06:06,795 I'm under a strict embargo 1139 01:06:06,896 --> 01:06:10,492 not to discuss disclosed documents with other witnesses. 1140 01:06:13,169 --> 01:06:17,607 Jo got paralytic, I put her to bed. 1141 01:06:17,707 --> 01:06:19,642 In your bed, Judge? 1142 01:06:19,742 --> 01:06:24,009 Have you any idea how judges' lodgings work, Mr Norwalk? 1143 01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:26,413 It's all about seniority. 1144 01:06:26,483 --> 01:06:29,385 The judge is practically the sovereign where he sits. 1145 01:06:29,452 --> 01:06:32,286 If he has a guest, then that guest has the next best room 1146 01:06:32,355 --> 01:06:34,347 and everybody else gets pushed down one. 1147 01:06:34,457 --> 01:06:39,521 No way was I going to bounce everybody out of bed at 2 a.m. 1148 01:06:39,596 --> 01:06:42,122 Mrs Mills got put into my room. 1149 01:06:43,566 --> 01:06:45,501 The chairman of the Tribunal is bound to ask, 1150 01:06:45,568 --> 01:06:48,732 even if counsel for the committee doesn't, 1151 01:06:49,506 --> 01:06:54,570 did you sleep in the same bed with Mrs Mills? 1152 01:06:55,445 --> 01:06:58,677 I certainly didn't sleep in a chair. 1153 01:07:00,884 --> 01:07:03,683 The photos are of you two in bed, sir. 1154 01:07:05,121 --> 01:07:08,091 The question we have to consider is this, Mr Norwalk. 1155 01:07:08,157 --> 01:07:13,152 Would they dare not believe a High Court judge? 1156 01:07:20,937 --> 01:07:22,769 Got an email from Sergeant Bridges. 1157 01:07:22,839 --> 01:07:25,638 Oh, he's very persistent. 1158 01:07:25,742 --> 01:07:28,007 This is got some information about the cell phone case. 1159 01:07:28,077 --> 01:07:29,943 He wants to meet up with me. 1160 01:07:30,013 --> 01:07:34,178 Well, do you think you should? I mean, not on your own. 1161 01:07:34,250 --> 01:07:36,651 Maybe I'd better take Row Colemore with me. 1162 01:07:36,719 --> 01:07:39,450 Yeah, I think that might be best, Judge. 1163 01:07:43,293 --> 01:07:46,991 - Do you think he's going to turn up? - Because of you? 1164 01:07:49,098 --> 01:07:52,000 All we could find out about the bomb hoaxer who cleared the court 1165 01:07:52,101 --> 01:07:53,899 was that the call was made from a public box 1166 01:07:53,970 --> 01:07:56,530 outside the LCD building in Victoria Street. 1167 01:07:56,606 --> 01:07:58,837 You might be right. It could have been to stop you. 1168 01:07:58,942 --> 01:08:01,070 Oh, I hope not. 1169 01:08:01,177 --> 01:08:03,942 John, you're not backing off now we've gone through all this trouble. 1170 01:08:04,013 --> 01:08:05,811 Bomb hoaxes are bad news. 1171 01:08:05,882 --> 01:08:09,319 I just can't countenance an officer of the court being responsible. 1172 01:08:09,419 --> 01:08:10,853 Mr Justice Deed? 1173 01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:12,616 Sergeant Bridges. 1174 01:08:13,423 --> 01:08:14,447 You know who I am? 1175 01:08:14,524 --> 01:08:17,551 I do. Deputy Assistant Commissioner Colemore. 1176 01:08:17,660 --> 01:08:20,152 How did you obtain a highly confidential email address? 1177 01:08:20,263 --> 01:08:23,461 Row, let's see what Mr Bridges has to say. 1178 01:08:36,746 --> 01:08:40,410 If it's authentic, it's pretty damning evidence. 1179 01:08:40,483 --> 01:08:42,577 How did you get this? 1180 01:08:42,652 --> 01:08:44,712 I hacked into the One-Way computer system. 1181 01:08:44,821 --> 01:08:48,121 - In breach of the Data Protection Act. - I'm not an interested party. 1182 01:08:48,224 --> 01:08:50,955 You're here, Sergeant. You've been following the case in court. 1183 01:08:51,060 --> 01:08:53,372 I wanted you to see this, My Lord, before you gave a ruling 1184 01:08:53,396 --> 01:08:55,262 on the on the inadmissibility of the emails. 1185 01:08:55,331 --> 01:08:58,358 This email is inadmissible because of how you obtained it. 1186 01:08:58,434 --> 01:09:00,232 I know that, My Lord. 1187 01:09:02,405 --> 01:09:04,806 Was there anything else there? 1188 01:09:04,874 --> 01:09:08,606 If I'd found it, that, too, would be inadmissible. 1189 01:09:13,416 --> 01:09:15,044 Thanks, Sergeant. 1190 01:09:20,490 --> 01:09:22,459 Seems like a good man, Row. 1191 01:09:22,525 --> 01:09:24,289 The police should hang onto him. 1192 01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,852 He's quitting his job on health grounds. 1193 01:09:26,929 --> 01:09:29,660 Perhaps he needs appreciating more. 1194 01:09:38,975 --> 01:09:41,342 My apologies for the late start. 1195 01:09:42,445 --> 01:09:45,882 - Ms Hulsey, how are you today? - Fine, thank you. 1196 01:09:45,982 --> 01:09:46,982 Good. 1197 01:09:48,918 --> 01:09:52,946 Before I give my ruling on the admissibility of the erased emails, 1198 01:09:53,056 --> 01:09:56,322 I want some further information on how they were obtained. 1199 01:09:56,426 --> 01:10:00,557 Mr Arditti, would you mind going back to the witness box, please? 1200 01:10:06,803 --> 01:10:08,965 Remember, you are still under oath. 1201 01:10:10,173 --> 01:10:16,943 Now, Mr Arditti, you said you were accidentally sent erased emails. 1202 01:10:17,613 --> 01:10:23,177 Yes? So, how did you proceed to recover further emails? 1203 01:10:23,252 --> 01:10:25,721 I mean, where were they exactly? 1204 01:10:25,822 --> 01:10:27,882 Think carefully before you answer. 1205 01:10:28,691 --> 01:10:31,024 With the internet service provider, My Lord. 1206 01:10:31,094 --> 01:10:35,361 Yes. So, presumably you have an arrangement with someone there 1207 01:10:35,465 --> 01:10:38,230 who allows you access to their dustbins? 1208 01:10:39,335 --> 01:10:40,701 You searched their records 1209 01:10:40,770 --> 01:10:43,763 in contravention of the Data Protection Act. 1210 01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:45,468 Well, it's not quite like that, My Lord. 1211 01:10:45,575 --> 01:10:46,975 Oh, isn't it? 1212 01:10:47,977 --> 01:10:50,003 Go on, you can sit down. 1213 01:10:57,053 --> 01:10:59,750 - Yes, Mrs Channing. - My Lord, I would like to argue 1214 01:10:59,856 --> 01:11:02,519 that this erased email evidence be omitted 1215 01:11:02,625 --> 01:11:05,459 on account of how it was obtained by illegal means. 1216 01:11:05,528 --> 01:11:07,087 I would refer Your Lordship 1217 01:11:07,163 --> 01:11:12,101 to the Attorney Generals Reference number 3 of 1999. 1218 01:11:12,168 --> 01:11:15,366 You will see that in a case where the police had illegally retained DNA 1219 01:11:15,438 --> 01:11:17,634 on a suspect, the House of Lords said the fact 1220 01:11:17,740 --> 01:11:20,471 that the evidence had been illegally acquired 1221 01:11:20,576 --> 01:11:24,377 could be a strong factor in persuading a trial judge to exclude it. 1222 01:11:24,447 --> 01:11:27,042 Yes, yes, yes, but the law was amended by Section 82 1223 01:11:27,116 --> 01:11:29,483 of the Criminal Justice and Police Act 2001, 1224 01:11:29,585 --> 01:11:32,749 and in any event that's all criminal law and this is a civil case. 1225 01:11:32,855 --> 01:11:35,324 In that case, My Lord, I would ask you to exclude the evidence 1226 01:11:35,424 --> 01:11:38,451 under the standard set by the Civil Procedure Rules. 1227 01:11:38,528 --> 01:11:40,292 There was criminal intent. 1228 01:11:40,363 --> 01:11:44,061 The emails, which by my learned friend's own admission were erased, 1229 01:11:44,133 --> 01:11:47,626 indicate that her clients knowingly infringed the Companies Act. 1230 01:11:47,737 --> 01:11:49,968 It's punishable by a £10,000 fine 1231 01:11:50,039 --> 01:11:52,531 or six months in prison on each count, My Lord. 1232 01:11:52,608 --> 01:11:53,940 This is ridiculous. 1233 01:11:54,010 --> 01:11:57,970 The law sometimes is, Mrs Channing. Here, however, it's not. 1234 01:11:59,582 --> 01:12:01,107 Before I rule 1235 01:12:02,318 --> 01:12:07,222 I want to see what else there is that may or may not have been erased. 1236 01:12:07,290 --> 01:12:10,454 My Lord, you have heard ample argument to omit this evidence. 1237 01:12:10,526 --> 01:12:13,086 - I implore you to do so. - No. 1238 01:12:13,596 --> 01:12:17,328 I'm gonna make an order for the claimant's legal team to make a search 1239 01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:21,735 of the computer records of One-Way PLC, Whitten and Malle 1240 01:12:21,804 --> 01:12:26,174 and their respective internet service providers if they so wish. 1241 01:12:26,242 --> 01:12:28,939 They must return here with their findings next Monday. 1242 01:12:29,011 --> 01:12:32,072 I'm obliged, My Lord, but two days is so very little time. 1243 01:12:32,181 --> 01:12:35,413 They can work Saturday and Sunday, Mrs Mills, and they better get started. 1244 01:12:35,484 --> 01:12:37,510 All rise. 1245 01:12:42,325 --> 01:12:44,760 Well, my only hope is that they manage to drag him down 1246 01:12:44,861 --> 01:12:45,954 along with you tomorrow. 1247 01:12:46,062 --> 01:12:48,293 Who are they, George? 1248 01:12:49,098 --> 01:12:50,589 What does this mean, George? 1249 01:12:50,700 --> 01:12:53,795 It means that if you're hiding anything, Max, they'll find it. 1250 01:12:58,608 --> 01:13:01,874 Off the record, John, the Lord Chancellor has concerns 1251 01:13:01,978 --> 01:13:05,915 over the possibility of the mobile phone case getting to a full hearing. 1252 01:13:06,649 --> 01:13:09,414 Has he seen the evidence, sir? Because I haven't. 1253 01:13:09,485 --> 01:13:12,421 He was approached by another cabinet minister 1254 01:13:12,488 --> 01:13:15,515 about the financial difficulties the company could get into. 1255 01:13:15,625 --> 01:13:17,457 Neil Haughton, eh? 1256 01:13:17,927 --> 01:13:21,557 He feels it incumbent upon him to try to find a solution. 1257 01:13:22,531 --> 01:13:24,397 And what's he suggesting, then? 1258 01:13:24,500 --> 01:13:28,096 Nothing that might benefit the claimant, not with my ex-wife involved. 1259 01:13:28,170 --> 01:13:30,196 He suggested an out-of-court settlement. 1260 01:13:30,306 --> 01:13:33,003 Does he have influence with One-Way PLC? Sit down, Ian. 1261 01:13:33,075 --> 01:13:34,407 Thank you. 1262 01:13:35,411 --> 01:13:39,041 Mimi, get off! You're not supposed to be on the chairs. Come on. 1263 01:13:39,115 --> 01:13:41,175 - May I? - Please. 1264 01:13:41,250 --> 01:13:43,219 Off you get. 1265 01:13:49,292 --> 01:13:53,889 The mobile phone company will defend their position if they have to. 1266 01:13:54,597 --> 01:13:57,931 The damage that does to the company and the country... 1267 01:13:58,734 --> 01:14:02,535 They do generate £10 to 15 billion of income, 1268 01:14:02,605 --> 01:14:05,074 all of which comes back to Britain, John. 1269 01:14:05,174 --> 01:14:06,870 In this worsening economic climate 1270 01:14:06,976 --> 01:14:09,445 that is something any government must take notice of. 1271 01:14:09,545 --> 01:14:12,879 Pursuit of a fair out-of-court settlement is entirely proper. 1272 01:14:13,416 --> 01:14:15,715 But you're talking to the wrong person. 1273 01:14:17,620 --> 01:14:21,489 The defendants' legal representatives are concerned 1274 01:14:21,557 --> 01:14:23,549 you are encouraging, 1275 01:14:23,759 --> 01:14:25,785 at the claimant's request, 1276 01:14:25,962 --> 01:14:27,487 a public trial. 1277 01:14:29,999 --> 01:14:34,960 Well, I do see this as a very important test case. 1278 01:14:35,037 --> 01:14:37,233 This is perverse. 1279 01:14:37,340 --> 01:14:41,539 Thousands of livelihoods are dependent upon the viability of this company. 1280 01:14:41,610 --> 01:14:44,876 And the thousands, possibly, who might be damaged by the phones? 1281 01:14:44,981 --> 01:14:46,101 There's no evidence of that. 1282 01:14:46,182 --> 01:14:48,463 There never is when there are vast sums of money involved. 1283 01:14:48,517 --> 01:14:52,887 Did you know in the 1700s that gin was sold by pharmacists 1284 01:14:52,955 --> 01:14:54,423 as a health drink for women? 1285 01:14:54,490 --> 01:14:55,890 The government of the day 1286 01:14:55,958 --> 01:14:59,122 tacitly endorsed an 8-million gallon consumption. 1287 01:14:59,195 --> 01:15:02,563 Fortunately the government today show more concern. 1288 01:15:02,665 --> 01:15:07,501 Yes, over 100,000 people were killed by alcohol in the UK alone last year. 1289 01:15:09,372 --> 01:15:12,342 Jo Mills isn't a fool, Ian. 1290 01:15:12,408 --> 01:15:16,937 If the settlement is honourable, she'll advise the claimant to accept it. 1291 01:15:17,013 --> 01:15:18,606 - Mmm. - Mmm. 1292 01:15:40,503 --> 01:15:44,998 - How are you feeling? - Angry. No, furious. 1293 01:15:50,613 --> 01:15:55,881 Oh, Mrs Deed. I do beg your pardon. Mrs Mills. 1294 01:15:57,186 --> 01:16:02,818 Would you tell the committee what your relationship is with Mr Justice Deed? 1295 01:16:02,892 --> 01:16:07,125 He was my pupil master, then my lover, sometimes my mentor 1296 01:16:07,196 --> 01:16:09,324 and hopefully my friend. 1297 01:16:09,398 --> 01:16:13,233 Would you say he was still an intimate friend? 1298 01:16:13,769 --> 01:16:16,432 We discuss intimate matters at times. 1299 01:16:16,539 --> 01:16:20,135 Do these discussions translate to the sort of 1300 01:16:20,209 --> 01:16:23,839 physical intimacy that leads you into his bed? 1301 01:16:25,081 --> 01:16:26,105 No. 1302 01:16:28,217 --> 01:16:32,313 That's not the evidence three officers of the court have given. 1303 01:16:32,688 --> 01:16:36,887 They saw you kissing the judge in an intimate way 1304 01:16:36,959 --> 01:16:41,158 around the 11th of June last year when you were before him. 1305 01:16:42,731 --> 01:16:45,326 Why should this Tribunal believe you, 1306 01:16:45,401 --> 01:16:47,529 when you say you weren't intimate with him? 1307 01:16:47,603 --> 01:16:50,835 We weren't! Not as you suggest. 1308 01:16:51,974 --> 01:16:55,604 The evidence informs of a somewhat different behaviour pattern 1309 01:16:55,678 --> 01:16:59,308 with this judge you again find yourself before. 1310 01:17:01,617 --> 01:17:06,078 Sir James, we do like to afford witnesses the opportunity to respond. 1311 01:17:06,689 --> 01:17:09,716 Even though your statement didn't call for a response. 1312 01:17:10,259 --> 01:17:12,251 Do you wish to reply? 1313 01:17:12,328 --> 01:17:14,524 This disciplinary hearing has called into question 1314 01:17:14,597 --> 01:17:17,533 the standard of behaviour by which I conduct myself, 1315 01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,502 both professionally and privately. 1316 01:17:21,103 --> 01:17:25,063 My behaviour is determined by a personal sense of what I believe 1317 01:17:25,174 --> 01:17:27,837 to be right and proper and fair. 1318 01:17:27,943 --> 01:17:30,742 It doesn't allow one to collude with criminal clients 1319 01:17:30,813 --> 01:17:32,090 whilst knowing that they are guilty, 1320 01:17:32,114 --> 01:17:34,811 nor does it allow one to conspire with others 1321 01:17:34,884 --> 01:17:38,719 to undermine someone honourable, decent and courageous. 1322 01:17:39,922 --> 01:17:42,482 I am comfortable with the conduct of my relationships. 1323 01:17:42,558 --> 01:17:46,654 I have done nothing with which I feel I need to reproach myself. 1324 01:17:47,730 --> 01:17:49,441 Beyond that, My Lord, I have nothing to say. 1325 01:17:49,465 --> 01:17:54,494 I think you've said quite enough. Thank you, Mrs Mills. 1326 01:18:01,443 --> 01:18:03,969 We would like to call Mr Justice Deed. 1327 01:18:05,414 --> 01:18:07,159 Why didn't you tell me you were calling him as a witness? 1328 01:18:07,183 --> 01:18:08,845 Because you would have objected. 1329 01:18:22,565 --> 01:18:26,161 No, we can dispense with that. He's a High Court judge. 1330 01:18:26,235 --> 01:18:30,172 If he can't be relied on to tell the truth, then what hope is there? 1331 01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:37,336 Sir John, some of these questions are of a somewhat delicate, 1332 01:18:37,413 --> 01:18:38,904 intimate nature, sir. 1333 01:18:39,014 --> 01:18:41,483 So is the offence of which we are accused. 1334 01:18:41,584 --> 01:18:43,576 You are not accused, Sir John, 1335 01:18:43,652 --> 01:18:46,121 nor were you summoned before this tribunal. 1336 01:18:46,222 --> 01:18:50,660 Well, it's not one hand clapping that Mrs Mills stands accused of. 1337 01:18:50,726 --> 01:18:54,891 You are here merely as a witness to character and fact. 1338 01:18:54,964 --> 01:18:57,559 One who is accused with her nonetheless. 1339 01:18:59,134 --> 01:19:01,160 Get on with it, Sir James. 1340 01:19:03,038 --> 01:19:06,167 My Lord, on the 11th of June last year, 1341 01:19:06,242 --> 01:19:11,909 Mrs Mills was before you prosecuting two drug addicts for murder. 1342 01:19:12,014 --> 01:19:14,415 A case in which I myself was involved. 1343 01:19:14,483 --> 01:19:17,419 She was also before me in an injunction hearing 1344 01:19:17,486 --> 01:19:20,115 about a minor who didn't want a heart transplant. 1345 01:19:20,222 --> 01:19:22,316 It appears that had ended by the 11th. 1346 01:19:22,424 --> 01:19:24,655 Yes, well, the hearing had. 1347 01:19:24,727 --> 01:19:29,256 The boy died immediately following the operation. 1348 01:19:29,331 --> 01:19:33,894 Mrs Mills was upset as a result, was she not? 1349 01:19:34,803 --> 01:19:36,135 Extremely. 1350 01:19:38,474 --> 01:19:41,535 She called on you at your lodgings. 1351 01:19:42,878 --> 01:19:46,246 Can you tell the committee what happened? 1352 01:19:46,315 --> 01:19:50,184 Yes, she appeared drunk, she got more drunk, 1353 01:19:50,252 --> 01:19:52,346 finally she collapsed 1354 01:19:53,689 --> 01:19:55,681 and I put her to bed. 1355 01:19:55,758 --> 01:19:58,387 - At the lodgings? - Yes. 1356 01:19:59,328 --> 01:20:02,526 - In whose bed did she sleep? - Mine. 1357 01:20:04,633 --> 01:20:10,800 Sir John, would you mind telling the committee where you slept? 1358 01:20:11,540 --> 01:20:13,736 I didn't, for the most part. 1359 01:20:15,611 --> 01:20:19,480 I was concerned that she didn't vomit and choke. 1360 01:20:21,850 --> 01:20:26,015 Did you and Mrs Mills sleep together? 1361 01:20:30,659 --> 01:20:31,786 No. 1362 01:20:39,168 --> 01:20:42,366 Are you absolutely certain about that, My Lord? 1363 01:20:42,705 --> 01:20:44,367 I think I might have remembered. 1364 01:20:44,440 --> 01:20:48,639 - Do you remember? - Yes. I've given you my answer. 1365 01:20:48,744 --> 01:20:52,408 Then perhaps you can tell us what you did that night? 1366 01:20:52,481 --> 01:20:55,417 I've told you. I made sure she didn't choke. 1367 01:20:57,086 --> 01:20:58,611 I see. 1368 01:20:58,687 --> 01:21:00,451 Sir John. 1369 01:21:00,522 --> 01:21:05,324 Did you have sex with this lady while she was in your bed? 1370 01:21:05,394 --> 01:21:08,990 Whilst she was drunk? That would be very ungentlemanly. 1371 01:21:09,098 --> 01:21:10,760 Don't you think? 1372 01:21:13,535 --> 01:21:16,903 Regrettably, I haven't had sex with Mrs Mills 1373 01:21:18,140 --> 01:21:20,632 in a very long while. 1374 01:21:22,211 --> 01:21:24,407 Is that meant to be clever, Sir John? 1375 01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:27,575 I didn't come here to be clever, I came here to tell the truth. 1376 01:21:27,649 --> 01:21:31,484 We have heard evidence to the contrary from members of the staff. 1377 01:21:31,553 --> 01:21:35,012 Then it's entirely mistaken. 1378 01:21:37,326 --> 01:21:41,161 Sir John, let us be entirely clear about this. 1379 01:21:42,898 --> 01:21:44,833 Are you saying you have never been 1380 01:21:44,933 --> 01:21:47,801 in a compromising situation with Mrs Mills 1381 01:21:47,903 --> 01:21:53,001 since you and she were lovers some 16 years ago? 1382 01:21:53,075 --> 01:21:56,204 If you read back the tribunal reporter's notes, 1383 01:21:56,278 --> 01:21:59,510 you will find exactly what I said. 1384 01:21:59,615 --> 01:22:04,644 Are you saying that you have never had sex with her in all that while? 1385 01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:06,018 Is that what you're telling us? 1386 01:22:06,088 --> 01:22:09,718 I have already told you. Do you think I'm a liar? 1387 01:22:10,692 --> 01:22:14,993 Well, we think no such thing, Sir John, we... 1388 01:22:16,799 --> 01:22:20,236 We could not. We could not. 1389 01:22:22,004 --> 01:22:24,269 Is there anything else you wish to share with us, 1390 01:22:24,373 --> 01:22:26,274 before we consider our findings? 1391 01:22:26,375 --> 01:22:27,604 Yes. 1392 01:22:29,878 --> 01:22:33,042 Mrs Mills is a hard-working Queens Counsel 1393 01:22:33,115 --> 01:22:35,414 who has helped a lot of people 1394 01:22:35,484 --> 01:22:39,353 who would not otherwise have found access to justice. 1395 01:22:39,455 --> 01:22:42,948 This hearing is shabby and unjust 1396 01:22:43,058 --> 01:22:47,655 and I believe that it has another and altogether sinister agenda. 1397 01:22:47,729 --> 01:22:50,699 It has been brought about for reasons which I would suggest 1398 01:22:50,766 --> 01:22:55,727 are the opposite of those ideals of fairness and decency 1399 01:22:56,638 --> 01:22:59,574 which you and I have sworn to uphold. 1400 01:23:02,411 --> 01:23:06,212 Well, you're entitled to express your opinion, Sir John. We note it. 1401 01:23:08,784 --> 01:23:13,688 We shall retire for a moment before we report. 1402 01:23:19,962 --> 01:23:21,794 What do you think this is all about? 1403 01:23:21,897 --> 01:23:24,560 I think this is all about to end now. 1404 01:23:24,633 --> 01:23:27,728 They may yet present their photos. 1405 01:23:27,803 --> 01:23:29,362 Well, we'll soon know. 1406 01:23:37,379 --> 01:23:40,508 Well, I'm not going to call for closing speeches. 1407 01:23:44,086 --> 01:23:46,146 Having considered the testimony, 1408 01:23:46,255 --> 01:23:50,022 and the particular weight to what Sir John Deed told us, 1409 01:23:50,092 --> 01:23:55,087 that he did not have sexual relations with Mrs Mills, 1410 01:23:55,163 --> 01:23:58,156 we can do no other than to take his word. 1411 01:23:58,233 --> 01:24:00,828 Therefore the case is dismissed. 1412 01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:13,476 Congratulations, Jo. 1413 01:24:13,582 --> 01:24:15,210 They didn't find me not guilty, Simon. 1414 01:24:15,284 --> 01:24:17,219 They didn't believe me or even exonerate me. 1415 01:24:17,286 --> 01:24:19,221 They were simply obliged to believe John. 1416 01:24:19,288 --> 01:24:20,881 You're innocent, Jo, end of story. 1417 01:24:20,956 --> 01:24:23,482 But they don't believe it. 1418 01:24:23,559 --> 01:24:27,553 It's better than having the case proven and being taken off the road. 1419 01:24:27,663 --> 01:24:29,962 Do you think I'd ever let that happen? 1420 01:24:30,999 --> 01:24:34,697 I have no problem with losing when it's an even playing field. 1421 01:24:34,770 --> 01:24:37,934 It never is with John. He seems to think anyone who made a profit in business 1422 01:24:38,006 --> 01:24:39,030 did so by foul means. 1423 01:24:39,141 --> 01:24:41,804 Calm down, darling, all is far from lost. 1424 01:24:41,877 --> 01:24:45,973 Why didn't you produce the photographs of them in bed? 1425 01:24:46,048 --> 01:24:47,209 To have done so 1426 01:24:47,282 --> 01:24:51,481 in the face of His Lordship denying they had an affair or were in bed, 1427 01:24:51,553 --> 01:24:54,148 would be to bring the bench into disrepute. 1428 01:24:54,256 --> 01:24:57,590 To say nothing of having to admit that your staff at the lodgings 1429 01:24:57,693 --> 01:25:00,094 broke into his bedroom. 1430 01:25:01,463 --> 01:25:05,230 The government has as much, if not more to lose than your clients, George. 1431 01:25:05,334 --> 01:25:07,254 We're as anxious as you to see this case founder, 1432 01:25:07,336 --> 01:25:10,397 assuming, as you say, there is no case to answer. 1433 01:25:10,505 --> 01:25:14,135 That depends on whether he admits the illegal evidence. 1434 01:25:14,209 --> 01:25:17,008 We've been trying to help you there, Mrs Channing. 1435 01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:20,606 Our research department has found every precedent 1436 01:25:20,682 --> 01:25:23,777 for refusal to admit tainted evidence. 1437 01:25:25,354 --> 01:25:28,756 My Lord, I know you have heard arguments but before you give your ruling 1438 01:25:28,857 --> 01:25:32,259 on whether or not to admit the illegally discovered evidence 1439 01:25:32,327 --> 01:25:34,319 on behalf of the claimant, 1440 01:25:34,396 --> 01:25:36,695 I would like you to give full weight 1441 01:25:36,765 --> 01:25:40,361 to the principle behind the Civil Procedure Rules 1442 01:25:40,435 --> 01:25:43,371 to deal with cases justly. 1443 01:25:44,106 --> 01:25:46,371 I would implore you to exclude 1444 01:25:46,441 --> 01:25:49,240 the unlawfully obtained emails on this basis. 1445 01:25:49,344 --> 01:25:51,506 Or would you like to see the photos? 1446 01:25:52,914 --> 01:25:55,850 What photos, Mrs Channing? 1447 01:25:55,917 --> 01:26:00,150 Ah, the photocopies of the authority, My Lord. 1448 01:26:01,456 --> 01:26:04,688 I think you're being facetious, Mrs Channing. 1449 01:26:06,128 --> 01:26:07,960 However, I am denying the claimant 1450 01:26:08,063 --> 01:26:11,693 the right to use this illegally discovered information. 1451 01:26:11,767 --> 01:26:14,566 My Lord, can I direct you to Kuruma and the Crown? 1452 01:26:14,636 --> 01:26:17,663 No, Mrs Mills, I don't need to hear any more. 1453 01:26:18,473 --> 01:26:21,443 Giving carte blanche for the illegal trawl of emails 1454 01:26:21,543 --> 01:26:25,310 would set a bad precedent. The evidence is tainted. 1455 01:26:25,414 --> 01:26:27,246 I can't allow it. To do so would be unsafe. 1456 01:26:27,315 --> 01:26:30,217 Then I would argue under Section 3, My Lord, 1457 01:26:30,285 --> 01:26:33,016 that as the main plank of the claimant's case has fallen, 1458 01:26:33,088 --> 01:26:34,215 there is no claim to answer. 1459 01:26:34,289 --> 01:26:36,349 I would therefore ask you to throw out the claim. 1460 01:26:36,458 --> 01:26:38,984 Yes, I can see where you're coming from. 1461 01:26:39,094 --> 01:26:42,553 But before I give my ruling, I need to know if the electronic search 1462 01:26:42,664 --> 01:26:45,634 I ordered on behalf of the claimant has yielded any results 1463 01:26:45,734 --> 01:26:48,169 that might affect my decision. Mrs Mills? 1464 01:26:48,236 --> 01:26:51,138 Our data recovery experts did find other erased emails 1465 01:26:51,206 --> 01:26:54,973 that relate directly to the action. Nine, in fact. 1466 01:26:55,043 --> 01:26:58,309 The most telling of these was one sent on December 9, 2000 1467 01:26:58,413 --> 01:27:01,247 by Tim Listfield, the CEO of One-Way PLC, 1468 01:27:01,316 --> 01:27:04,252 to Max Solveigh, the marketing director. It reads, 1469 01:27:04,319 --> 01:27:07,756 "Max, what tosh. We don't spend all these millions developing our phones 1470 01:27:07,856 --> 01:27:11,657 "to have a bunch of pinheads tell us they could be harming customers. 1471 01:27:11,727 --> 01:27:14,253 "Find another result." 1472 01:27:14,329 --> 01:27:16,525 My Lord, you can't admit this, you agreed. 1473 01:27:16,598 --> 01:27:20,228 No, Mrs Channing, I agreed not to admit evidence gathered illegally. 1474 01:27:20,335 --> 01:27:23,601 I made an order for this discovery. I'm going to admit this evidence. 1475 01:27:23,705 --> 01:27:26,641 My Lord, this is not in the spirit of the Civil Procedure Rules. 1476 01:27:26,742 --> 01:27:29,041 Mrs Channing, I have ruled. 1477 01:27:29,144 --> 01:27:33,104 Unless you have an argument that relates to this legally discovered material, 1478 01:27:33,215 --> 01:27:35,013 I'm going to allow this case to go forward. 1479 01:27:35,083 --> 01:27:40,681 Further, I'm going to reserve it to myself to be heard here in... 1480 01:27:43,024 --> 01:27:44,720 three weeks, Mr Harrison? 1481 01:27:45,494 --> 01:27:48,896 Three weeks, My Lord, the 30th? 1482 01:27:48,964 --> 01:27:51,763 The 30th it is. Until then. 1483 01:28:03,445 --> 01:28:05,380 You really are pushing your luck. 1484 01:28:05,447 --> 01:28:08,440 I expected the defendant's counsel to be here. 1485 01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:15,022 One-Way are going to fight this, 1486 01:28:15,090 --> 01:28:16,888 and fight dirty, I shouldn't wonder. 1487 01:28:16,958 --> 01:28:18,936 - You're going to need some help. - Not from you, thank you. 1488 01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:22,192 No, there's a Sergeant Bridges who might prove useful. 1489 01:28:23,098 --> 01:28:25,932 I'll get Row Colemore to put you in touch. 1490 01:28:27,602 --> 01:28:30,094 Do you want to see a film tonight? 1491 01:28:30,172 --> 01:28:34,633 I've just about got my reputation back. I'm not in a hurry to risk it again. 1492 01:28:34,743 --> 01:28:37,269 Is there a risk, Jo? You're not before me now. 1493 01:28:37,379 --> 01:28:40,975 Anything to do with you is a risk, John. 1493 01:28:41,305 --> 01:29:41,237 Please rate this subtitle at www.osdb.link/8pse9 Help other users to choose the best subtitles 127663

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