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Have you ever seen a confession case,
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Sean?Have you ever seen him confess?I
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saw-- I saw a a
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clip of him in the
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interrogation room. As far as the
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full confession video, I have not
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seen. No. We have some
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of that confession video here. Is that
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something you'd be willing to look at
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with us?I would be interested to
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to view that, yeah.
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The day this happened, when did you
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decide that you were going to kill this
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person?Probably
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before she got in the car, because I
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think I was just looking for somebody to
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kill.
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I got out of the car. When I got out of
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the car, I had a knife sitting there
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beside my leg. I grabbed a knife and
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walked around to where she was at. It's
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hard, huh
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Not for him,
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for his victims.
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It took me a long time to... It
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took me a long time to stop, stop feeling
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sorry for him. It
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was feeling bad for the wrong person.
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I've never seen this picture before.
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Why we were laughing so much, I don't
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know. I can't remember, but
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that's a good picture.
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I have good memories of me and him.
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I mean, that's one thing you can't take
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away from somebody is their memories. And
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I wouldn't throw away our good memories
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because of what he ended up being and
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what he ended up doing. I love
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him. He was my big brother. He was a good
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older brother.
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He learned at an early age that if there
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was something that he wanted, regardless
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of if it was his or not, he would just go
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get it, take it. It
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always fascinated me that he didn't care
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if they knew that he took it, but he
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would take it anyway.
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And he would take anything.
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There was a couple of girls that were our
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age that each had a bike. Three
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sisters, three different bicycles.
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And Patrick had convinced
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me that we should steal their bikes.
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All we need to do is switch the parts,
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and they won't know they're the same
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bikes. I thought that was a foolproof
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plan. They're never going to know that
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these are their bikes. Being a younger
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brother, it it was difficult to say no to
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Patrick. And it was maybe a couple of
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hours that we were out there riding our
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new bikes. And a short time later, the
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sheriff showed up.
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I was terrified. I was absolutely
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terrified. I didn't want to go to jail.
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Patrick, on the other hand, it it didn't
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affect him. Where these bikes from?
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You could tell looking at him that
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he didn't think it was wrong.
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Well, we would go to visit people that
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had kids.
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Patrick was crazy about cars, matchbox
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cars.
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We would have to check his pockets before
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we left, because he would put the
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the cars or anything else that he wanted
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in his pockets.
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AndHe couldn't understand,
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you know, why he can't take these things.
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It never registered with him that
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they don't belong to him.
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I remember her saying to us that if you
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guys want to act like criminals, then
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you're going to eat like criminals.
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And that night for dinner, we got a glass
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of water and two slices of bread.
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We had to spend the whole weekend in our
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room. We couldn't go outside and
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play, and it it didn't bother him. It
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just, it didn't bother him. I don't think
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any punishment that he got was a
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deterrent for him.
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I knew what was right and what was wrong,
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and I don't think he ever had that
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mechanism in his brain to tell him what
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was and what wasn't.
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I remember the time that Patrick
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convinced me to get into a closed trunk.
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I don't know if I want to play this game.
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Come on, don't be a baby, it's fun. He
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said he would only keep me
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in there for a couple of seconds. All you
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need to do is get inside and count to
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100. He'll let me out if I get scared?
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Yes, I'll let you out if you get scared.
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Promise. So I
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agreed to do it. I got into the trunk. And
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he wouldn't let me out.
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Terrified me. Absolutely terrified me. It
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was hot.
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Not much air left in there when you're
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screaming and yelling.
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He kept me in there for a while.
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He was grabbing the handles and shaking
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it.
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My father was at work. It was just me and
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him at the house. Basically,
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I had to wait for him to to open it.
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Very traumatic.
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He eventually let me out.
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But if he had sympathy...
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I don't think he did. I
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can't think of any time that there was
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sympathy. I don't
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recall ever him
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apologizing about anything to
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me. Ever.
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He was so depressed when he was younger,
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and he didn't seem to enjoy doing
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anything. I worried about
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him all the time. You
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mean there's nothing more you can do?I
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took him to a psychologist,
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and after a few visits, the the doctor
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told me, you know, you don't have to
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bring him back because he won't talk to
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me. Patrick,
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please, you need to tell me what's going
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on. I would ask him, why do
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you do this?You know, why, why do you do
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these things?And
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he didn't have an answer, you know, or he
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wouldn't answer.
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I tried, but there was,
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there was nothing I could do to help him.
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I'll never know what pushed him over the
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edge, but, I mean, once he got over to
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the other side of the edge, there was no
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way to get out.
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The older he got, the bigger his crimes
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got. It was so easy for
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him to just pick a house out in the
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neighborhood and go, I'm going to break
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into it. As
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simple as me getting up and going, well,
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I'm going to wear a blue shirt today.
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I look back now, and I don't think it was
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ever about the money for him. I think it
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was the rush of just doing the
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the stealing. It
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didn't matter who it affected. The older
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he got, he needed more. He needed
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that bigger fix.
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I can't tell you how many times, from the
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time he went in the juvenile for the
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first time to the last time he was on
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death row, how many times in between he
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was in and out of jail. I I can't even
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begin to tell you. I mean,
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he didn't care.
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It just baffled me that it didn't faze
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him.
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Sheriff asked me to come with him. And I
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asked him why. And he said that
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there's suspicion that I broke into a
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couple of the houses. Were you anywhere
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near that house?No, No I
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wasn't at all. Money was taken,
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stereo equipment. They saw a
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blonde-haired kid in the area.
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I had blonde hair. I didn't steal
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anything. I I would never do that. They
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wanted to take prints of my
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sneakers. And if they matched the ones
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that we got from the crime scene, you
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know, you're going to be charged with
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with breaking in. It scared the hell
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out of me. I mean, I I knew I didn't do
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this.
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The whole time Patrick was waiting
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outside.
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When we got out of the sheriff's
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department, he admitted that he did it.
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But how did my shoes end up there?
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Because I wore them. That it was
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him that had broken into the houses
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and that he had used a pair of my
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sneakers. I could have been arrested.
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Yeah, but you weren't.
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I was furious. And I'm looking at him in
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his eyes,
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thinking, why?Why are you doing this?I
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could have turned him in. As soon as he
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told me that it was him that
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broke in and used my sneakers,
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I could have. And I didn't. I
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I don't know why. I don't know why I
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protected him.
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They dropped the charges against me
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because my sneakers didn't match.
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The fact that I had two pairs of sneakers
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and the ones that I was wearing were not
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the ones that he used,
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kept me from going to jail.
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You look back now and you wonder, well,
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what if I did get charged for it?He
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stepped up and said, hey, it wasn't my
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little brother, it was me. I don't know.
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I can't remember my mother's reaction
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after, but they did argue
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about what he did, his actions.
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She knew it was him. She She knew it was
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him. You're still doing this. What is
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wrong with you?There were arguments, a
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lot of arguments. There was one
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time that I was
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really afraid of him. I didn't raise you
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to do this.
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Don't walk away from me. I am talking to
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you, Patrick. I had followed him into his
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room. I am so sick of this. I
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was yelling. He was yelling.
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Look at me.
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And there was a baseball bat in
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there.
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He holds it up, and just for a split
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second, in his eyes, I could tell that he
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wanted to hit me with that.
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Just a split second.
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And then it was gone.
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And he put the bat down.
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I think that was the only time that I was
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ever afraid of him.
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Patrick was in jail in Georgia.
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My father had gotten a new
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apartment, and it was going to be
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a new, fresh start for me and my father.
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One day, I got a knock on the apartment
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door, and I opened it up.
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And it was Patrick. Hey, Sean.
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Patrick?I had not seen Patrick for
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three or four years. He said, I just got
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out of jail in Georgia, and I'm up here
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to to make a new start. I was wondering
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if I could stay with you and Dad. Of
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course. Every time I saw my brother after
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him getting out of jail for a long period
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of time, it was always good to see him.
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Of course.
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Thanks, ma'am. I always wanted to give
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him another shot. It was my brother.
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But it's hard to be happy
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because you know he's only gonna
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be out for a little bit. He was never out
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longer than maybe a year and a half.
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from each time he was in and out of jail.
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So what do you think, Dad?
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My father said, OK, these are the rules.
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You don't steal, you don't lie, you get a
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job. And And
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Patrick said, OK. I promise.
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All right. So Patrick moved in, and
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things were good for a while.
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He met a girl in the apartment building.
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They instantly fell in love.
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I love you so much. I love you
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too. It wasn't long after that that she'd
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announced that she was pregnant. The
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twins, a boy and a girl.
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And that was the happiest I'd
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ever seen Patrick, ever.
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ButIn the back of my head, I I knew it
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was just a ticking time bomb.
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That's when things started changing.
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He became very, very obsessive with
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trying to get her back, because she still
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was going to give birth to his son.
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I can make this work. I
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can make this work. He wasn't coming
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home each night. as much as he used
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to. Where he was going, I don't know. But
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I don't think me or anybody else had any
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idea of what was going to happen.
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He went from the happiest guy in the
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world to to the
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evilest person I know in such a
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short amount of time.
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And I didn't
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expect what what he did.
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I know I can change. I can make
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this work. His girlfriend had pushed him
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away, and he he
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couldn't handle that. You will
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never change.
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He started acting differently.
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He wanted to hang himself.
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He tied a rope around the ceiling
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and tied the other end of the rope around
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his neck. Come on, come on, come on
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You can't do it. He waited
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several minutes.
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Come on! Come on
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But he chickened out.
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He couldn't kill himself.
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Had he not chickened out,
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yeah the world would have been a better
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place.
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A little girl had gotten into the
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elevator with him. And
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something happened. I
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believe something clicked in his head.
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He had just recently lost his daughter.
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And then this little girl got into the
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elevator.
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He attempted to strangle her.
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With her screams and the elevator
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stopping on the floor that that she was
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going to, she was
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able to get away.
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It was a lot different from shoplifting.
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stealing cars. Now he's
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he's almost taken the life of a of
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another human being.
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The police showed up. He was arrested.
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Patrick went to Bridgewater State
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Institution, and it was probably
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four days later that my father had
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informed me that we were asked to leave
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the apartments because of
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Patrick's actions.
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That was it for me. That was my final
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straw.
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It was the first time that I said I hate
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him and I don't want anything to do with
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him. And that was it. I didn't see him
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for a couple years after that.
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My father moved in with his girlfriend. I
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moved back down to Georgia, met a
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wonderful woman, we started a family and
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we moved down south, found a
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good job, got into a trade. Things were
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going great. Until
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you get that knock on the door.
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He would come over, me and Patrick, we
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would have a couple of beers, cook
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dinner. That was only because he was my
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brother. I mean, had he just been some
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friend, I would have given up on him a
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long time ago, but I didn't
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see any of that dark sidefrom
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him. I went back to that.
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I I think I can help him this time mode.
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That's when I started having brotherly
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talks, little brother talking to big
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brother finally about life and what you
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got to do to get yours in in order.
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I'm rooting for you. I want to help.
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Just stay out of trouble and you could
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have a normal life.
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AndI got the same answer that I got
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all the other times, was, This is gonna
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be it, Sean. I'm gonna i'm going to get
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my life together. Don't say it if you
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don't mean it. I'm serious. I
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mean, I've made my mistakes. I've paid my
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dues. I've become a better man because of
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it. Things were going good. He got
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a job at a dealership. He was making good
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money. He was really good with
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with my son and my daughter.
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Thanksgiving, Christmas, the holidays
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were really good. Those were good
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times at first.
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But he started getting weird again.
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Looking back now, maybe I knew that I
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would never fix him. You know, you can't
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help somebody that doesn't want to help
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themselves.
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There was a nightHe had come down
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to the house upset.
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Patrick. Patrick, calm down. Talk to
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me. What happened?He was breathing
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heavy. He was, you know, real jittery.
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Patrick, what happened?He had
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rear-ended a woman. Is she
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okay?Yeah, Yeah she's fine. It was
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just a bender-bender.
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He left the scene of the accident because
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hewas afraid that
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he would get arrested because he'd had a
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couple of beers and he didn't want to go
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to jail. Put my hand on his shoulder and,
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you know, just calm down, relax, relax.
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It's going to be OK. She's not her. It
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was just a simple fender bender. And I
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talked him down for a
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few minutes to get him to relax. You are
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not going to prison.
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OK.
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OK.
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To this day, I still question my
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judgment, not convincing him to go to the
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police about the rear end. I was
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concerned, because what he had done was
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against the law. But I thought it
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was him taking responsibility for his
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actions, sort of.
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He knew what he did was wrong,
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but he didn't want to go back to jail.
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At that point, he hasn't been arrested
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for stealing, hasn't been arrested for
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breaking into any houses. I got him
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calmed down, and that was it.
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I never heard about the girl
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afterwards, and it was forgotten.
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I remember going, No way.
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No, that's not... No.
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There's no way that Patrick did that.
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And that was just... That
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was just the first body.
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Detectives came to the door,
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and...
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Patrick was in his room.
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I didn't know what they wanted.
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I went to get Patrick and I asked
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Patrick, you know, why are they here?And
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he, you know, he didn't know, he said.
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The detectives took him
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then.
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I'm thinking that, you know, it can't be
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too bad, you know, maybe.
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another break-in or, you know, something
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like that. The next
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morning, I called the police
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and asked them if they had arrested.
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And they told me yes. And I said, What
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are the charges?And she said, Murder.
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And I said, No. I said, You've got the
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wrong, wrong kid, you
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know, that can't be. And she said, Yes,
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it is.
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I was in shock. I couldn't believe it.
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You know, it it just...
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break-ins. Yes, you know...
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but not murder.
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And over the years, I would get calls
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from my mother.
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St. Patrick's in jails again. Patrick's
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arrested again. But that
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call, that that was definitely different.
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She was very upset. I
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remember going, no way. No,
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that's not-- no.
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There's no way that Patrick did that.
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And that was just--
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that was just the first body.
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We put on the news and really found
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out the full aspect of what was going on.
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This case, officers say, is just one of
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four that Lewis says he has something to
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do with. He has confessed to killing two
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women in Mobile and two women here in
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Metro Atlanta. All those years, it
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was just breaking into cars, breaking
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into houses. For him to go from
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that to to
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murdering
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It was absolutely shocking.
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It was on Metropolitan Parkway, where the
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confessed alleged serial killer says he
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picked up at least one of his victims.
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He even told officers where to find the
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murder weapon to one of his alleged
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crimes.
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This is the one that they found in in
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Atlanta, in my my uncle's home.
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I didn't know it was that big.
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Investigators found the knife in good
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condition and will likely be testing it
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to see if it was used to commit more than
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one murder, because Lewis has confessed
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to yet another. I don't think it was too
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long after he was arrested that he
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confessed to everything. The day this
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happened, when did you decide that you
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were going to kill this person?
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Probably before she got in the car,
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because I was thinking I was just looking
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for somebody who had killed so pretty
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much. She needed to look somewhat like
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his ex-girlfriend. Brown hair,
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a little bit long. I believe
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all the girls fit that profile.
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She was just there. It wasn't like I
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planned to pick her up again. It could
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have been her or somebody else. Yeah, it
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could have been anybody. I
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believe one of the women was eight months
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pregnant. That sent chills down
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my spine. That's when I pulled the knife
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out on her. I told her, don't
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scream. Just do what I say and I won't
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hurt you. I didn't--
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didn't want to believe it, but it's kind
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of hard not to when the words are coming
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out of his mouth. Show me. Show me how
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you did. I had a hold of her hair,
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and I had the knife right here. I guess
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he was walking. And you walked her up to
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her. When you choked
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her...
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You just didn't care. I just can't
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listen. Just...
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You just didn't care. I don't ever want
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to see that again.
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I think everybody that knew him
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probably stepped back in what,
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you know, where were the signs that, you
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know, was there something that
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we that we missed?Patrick,
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Patrick, calm down. What is that?The
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night that he came to the house
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after rearing and the the girl, I later
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found out that it was not
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an accidental rear end,
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that he had stalked her.
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I had no clue. And I don't think that my
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mother questioned where he was or
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how late he was staying out. Maybe she
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00:32:15,975 --> 00:32:17,655
knew something was happening, motherly
541
00:32:17,655 --> 00:32:20,615
instincts. I don't know.
542
00:32:21,815 --> 00:32:23,855
There was one thing now that I think
543
00:32:23,855 --> 00:32:24,375
about it.
544
00:32:27,655 --> 00:32:29,495
I went to use the washing machine
545
00:32:30,295 --> 00:32:32,896
and he had clothes in the
546
00:32:32,896 --> 00:32:35,736
washer and even his
547
00:32:35,896 --> 00:32:37,896
shoes, his sneakers were in the washer.
548
00:32:38,896 --> 00:32:40,376
I took his clothes out of the washer, you
549
00:32:40,376 --> 00:32:42,576
know, put them in the dryer and I didn't
550
00:32:42,856 --> 00:32:45,016
really think anything about it.
551
00:32:45,896 --> 00:32:48,696
It just didn't. It didn't dawn
552
00:32:48,696 --> 00:32:51,176
on me that anything
553
00:32:52,936 --> 00:32:53,536
was wrong.
554
00:32:59,656 --> 00:33:01,496
How did you feel when you found out he he
555
00:33:01,496 --> 00:33:04,056
was sentenced to death?I was happy.
556
00:33:06,376 --> 00:33:09,297
I was happy that that he was
557
00:33:09,297 --> 00:33:10,417
gonna get what he deserved.
558
00:33:12,457 --> 00:33:15,257
The victims' families, and I can't
559
00:33:15,257 --> 00:33:16,137
speak for them,
560
00:33:19,577 --> 00:33:22,457
But I believe for them, justice is
561
00:33:23,177 --> 00:33:25,337
is going to be served by him being on
562
00:33:25,737 --> 00:33:28,217
death row and down in the electric chair.
563
00:33:45,578 --> 00:33:47,258
It was hard. It was real hard to
564
00:33:47,898 --> 00:33:50,778
understand how-- how she could--
565
00:33:51,018 --> 00:33:52,378
she could choose him over me.
566
00:34:07,338 --> 00:34:09,818
This picture is Christmas of
567
00:34:09,818 --> 00:34:12,778
'92. My
568
00:34:12,778 --> 00:34:14,858
mother's in the middle, Patrick's on the
569
00:34:14,858 --> 00:34:17,018
right, and that is me on the left.
570
00:34:18,459 --> 00:34:20,259
It's clear that my mother's very happy in
571
00:34:20,259 --> 00:34:22,979
that picture. But to see him in that
572
00:34:24,219 --> 00:34:25,419
now, knowing that
573
00:34:27,459 --> 00:34:28,619
that he had already started,
574
00:34:30,139 --> 00:34:32,979
started killing, to
575
00:34:32,979 --> 00:34:34,939
see his arm around my mother knowing that
576
00:34:34,939 --> 00:34:35,739
those hands
577
00:34:38,379 --> 00:34:41,179
did horrible things. It's It's a
578
00:34:41,179 --> 00:34:43,779
very strange feeling. It's
579
00:34:43,779 --> 00:34:45,579
strange to look into his eyes in that
580
00:34:45,579 --> 00:34:48,379
picture. People always talk about
581
00:34:48,379 --> 00:34:49,579
how pretty his eyes were.
582
00:34:51,579 --> 00:34:54,540
But I see those courtroom
583
00:34:54,540 --> 00:34:55,180
photos.
584
00:34:57,180 --> 00:34:59,740
Those eyes are just
585
00:35:00,140 --> 00:35:00,860
pure evil.
586
00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:15,500
If I could have changed places with him
587
00:35:16,540 --> 00:35:19,500
at any time, I would have. And he knew
588
00:35:19,540 --> 00:35:21,940
that. He knew I loved him. You know,
589
00:35:21,940 --> 00:35:23,260
there was never any doubt.
590
00:35:24,860 --> 00:35:26,460
You know, nothing was ever going to
591
00:35:26,460 --> 00:35:27,100
change that.
592
00:35:29,661 --> 00:35:31,621
Did Patrick ever tell you why he did
593
00:35:32,621 --> 00:35:35,581
it?It wasn't a choice
594
00:35:35,581 --> 00:35:38,541
for him. He said it was an urge
595
00:35:39,261 --> 00:35:41,261
that that he felt,
596
00:35:42,781 --> 00:35:44,461
that he had to.
597
00:35:45,981 --> 00:35:48,701
And he he told me later on that
598
00:35:48,941 --> 00:35:51,181
he wondered, you know, why him?You
599
00:35:51,821 --> 00:35:54,141
know, why not somebody else?Why Why was
600
00:35:54,141 --> 00:35:56,461
he this way?Did he seem
601
00:35:56,461 --> 00:35:58,461
remorseful when you would talk to him?No,
602
00:36:00,541 --> 00:36:01,301
no, he didn't.
603
00:36:03,182 --> 00:36:05,422
HeHe had no no
604
00:36:05,422 --> 00:36:06,782
feelings at all.
605
00:36:21,182 --> 00:36:24,062
I thought she was insane. I
606
00:36:24,062 --> 00:36:26,702
absolutely could not. I couldn't believe
607
00:36:26,702 --> 00:36:29,022
it. I kept asking her, Mom,
608
00:36:29,342 --> 00:36:31,502
move up here. Please come up.
609
00:36:32,462 --> 00:36:34,102
Please move up and be with your family.
610
00:36:35,182 --> 00:36:37,102
You know I have to be here for him.
611
00:36:37,903 --> 00:36:40,063
She was obsessed. She was
612
00:36:40,063 --> 00:36:42,783
consumed with making
613
00:36:42,783 --> 00:36:45,663
sure that he had everything that he
614
00:36:45,663 --> 00:36:48,223
he needed. So can you come with me,
615
00:36:48,823 --> 00:36:51,183
please?I couldn't
616
00:36:51,583 --> 00:36:54,503
turn my back on him, not even with the
617
00:36:54,783 --> 00:36:57,503
the awful, horrible things he did.
618
00:36:59,663 --> 00:37:01,823
Unconditional love is the only way I can
619
00:37:01,823 --> 00:37:04,143
explain it. Okay.
620
00:37:07,503 --> 00:37:09,623
It's how a mother feels. It's
621
00:37:11,423 --> 00:37:12,383
It's how I felt.
622
00:37:14,624 --> 00:37:17,424
No matter what, I was
623
00:37:17,424 --> 00:37:18,224
gonna love him.
624
00:37:20,904 --> 00:37:21,584
I still do.
625
00:37:25,504 --> 00:37:26,624
I didn't understand that.
626
00:37:28,544 --> 00:37:30,704
In my mind,She chose
627
00:37:32,424 --> 00:37:33,264
a serial killer
628
00:37:35,504 --> 00:37:37,504
Over over me
629
00:37:38,864 --> 00:37:39,584
and it
630
00:37:42,304 --> 00:37:43,664
That angered me for many years
631
00:37:45,904 --> 00:37:47,184
I just didn't want anything to do with
632
00:37:47,184 --> 00:37:50,065
her And that was
633
00:37:50,105 --> 00:37:53,025
it several years went by no
634
00:37:53,025 --> 00:37:55,905
contact at all nothing
635
00:37:55,905 --> 00:37:58,385
but it was always
636
00:37:59,425 --> 00:38:01,185
The quicker that he can die, the quicker
637
00:38:01,265 --> 00:38:04,145
I can get my mother back. Patrick, you've
638
00:38:04,145 --> 00:38:06,305
had her long enough. You know, you have,
639
00:38:06,385 --> 00:38:08,625
you have consumed her life over the last
640
00:38:09,985 --> 00:38:11,185
several years.
641
00:38:12,785 --> 00:38:15,665
That may sound greedy on me or,
642
00:38:16,785 --> 00:38:19,345
but I just, I wanted my mother.
643
00:38:31,106 --> 00:38:33,826
He had been to the doctor that day and he
644
00:38:33,826 --> 00:38:36,266
found out that the cancer had spread and
645
00:38:36,266 --> 00:38:37,666
there was just no hope.
646
00:38:41,186 --> 00:38:44,066
We had a really good conversation. I I
647
00:38:44,066 --> 00:38:45,986
told him, you know, I was sorry that I
648
00:38:45,986 --> 00:38:48,946
couldn't have done more. And he
649
00:38:48,946 --> 00:38:51,746
told me that I did more than any mother.
650
00:38:52,146 --> 00:38:54,866
would have. And I
651
00:38:54,866 --> 00:38:57,506
knew he loved me, and he knew I loved
652
00:38:57,506 --> 00:38:59,747
him. And there was--
653
00:39:01,027 --> 00:39:03,747
it was just a great conversation.
654
00:39:07,987 --> 00:39:10,747
I'm glad that she had the opportunity to
655
00:39:10,787 --> 00:39:13,587
hear him say that, that she
656
00:39:13,587 --> 00:39:14,707
did all that she could.
657
00:39:16,467 --> 00:39:17,107
That's good to know.
658
00:39:21,427 --> 00:39:23,987
But I absolutely felt
659
00:39:25,907 --> 00:39:28,707
ripped off after I found out that Patrick
660
00:39:28,707 --> 00:39:31,267
died, because I
661
00:39:32,547 --> 00:39:34,788
I was going to go to the execution,
662
00:39:35,348 --> 00:39:38,268
and I absolutely felt robbed
663
00:39:38,268 --> 00:39:38,708
of that
664
00:39:41,108 --> 00:39:43,908
that opportunity. Why did you want to
665
00:39:43,948 --> 00:39:44,308
watch it?
666
00:39:53,188 --> 00:39:55,908
Just to see it finally end,
667
00:39:56,468 --> 00:39:58,308
I believe in the death penalty and I
668
00:39:58,308 --> 00:39:59,468
believe that he deserved it.
669
00:40:13,269 --> 00:40:15,589
Even after Patrick had died, I still
670
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:18,549
didn'tstill didn't want to talk to her.
671
00:40:20,469 --> 00:40:22,789
Since he's passed, she has
672
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:26,389
continued to live there, 1,100 miles away
673
00:40:26,389 --> 00:40:29,349
from from me and the rest of her family.
674
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:33,909
But now I realize that that's that's what
675
00:40:33,909 --> 00:40:36,789
she needed. I understand
676
00:40:37,189 --> 00:40:38,789
a mother's love for her child
677
00:40:39,909 --> 00:40:42,629
because of my mother. I learned
678
00:40:42,909 --> 00:40:45,190
what that bond was because of my mother
679
00:40:45,350 --> 00:40:48,150
and Patrick. And that's
680
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:49,870
that's one of the main reasons that I
681
00:40:49,870 --> 00:40:51,190
started talking to her again.
682
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:09,430
Twelve years was a long time not to see a
683
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:12,150
picture or or
684
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:12,630
anything.
685
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:16,630
I had no idea what she looked like.
686
00:41:20,871 --> 00:41:22,271
It's been a long time since I've talked
687
00:41:22,271 --> 00:41:23,031
to her about him.
688
00:41:25,431 --> 00:41:27,671
That was one of his birthdays. He
689
00:41:28,951 --> 00:41:31,831
looked happy. Yeah, he
690
00:41:31,831 --> 00:41:34,791
did. Hopefully it'd be my
691
00:41:34,791 --> 00:41:37,551
time now and we could start having a life
692
00:41:37,551 --> 00:41:40,151
together. I missed out on a lot.
693
00:41:41,271 --> 00:41:43,511
Seeing my grandkids grow up,
694
00:41:44,151 --> 00:41:46,631
last time I saw them, they were kids. Now
695
00:41:47,431 --> 00:41:50,071
they're adults. I had a lot of rain urine
696
00:41:50,071 --> 00:41:52,751
for all those years. And
697
00:41:55,032 --> 00:41:57,912
I don't anymore. I've let it all
698
00:41:57,912 --> 00:42:00,152
go. It stinks that we
699
00:42:01,072 --> 00:42:03,432
lost 12 years, but hopefully after this
700
00:42:03,432 --> 00:42:04,232
we can move on.
701
00:42:07,192 --> 00:42:09,752
I've learned a lot. I'm not ashamed of
702
00:42:09,752 --> 00:42:11,752
who I am. I'm not ashamed of my my
703
00:42:11,752 --> 00:42:14,472
family. I'm hoping we still have a a
704
00:42:14,712 --> 00:42:16,952
lot of time left. It'd be nice to have
705
00:42:16,952 --> 00:42:19,872
some good memories. I can't remember the
706
00:42:19,872 --> 00:42:22,792
last time I had one with my mom in a long
707
00:42:22,792 --> 00:42:25,632
time, so... I'll do
708
00:42:25,632 --> 00:42:26,472
whatever it takes.
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