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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:15,449 --> 00:00:19,119 [ Dramatic music plays ] 2 00:00:19,119 --> 00:00:21,488 -The Hells Angels were masters at having 3 00:00:21,588 --> 00:00:24,258 their own built-in defense against law enforcement. 4 00:00:24,324 --> 00:00:27,361 They were always one step ahead. 5 00:00:27,494 --> 00:00:29,363 -It is a game of cat-and-mouse, 6 00:00:29,496 --> 00:00:31,198 and you had to be on your toes. 7 00:00:31,331 --> 00:00:34,101 -Law enforcement needed somebody to get inside. 8 00:00:34,167 --> 00:00:38,405 They needed to get close up and personal with the Hells Angels. 9 00:00:38,605 --> 00:00:40,941 And so Tony Tait was put in there. 10 00:00:41,008 --> 00:00:42,609 -The reason that I wanted 11 00:00:42,609 --> 00:00:45,812 to penetrate into the motorcycle gang 12 00:00:45,913 --> 00:00:49,449 was to completely destroy the Hells Angels. 13 00:00:49,449 --> 00:00:53,287 -This was the first time they had a live asset 14 00:00:53,387 --> 00:00:55,322 inside the organization. 15 00:00:55,322 --> 00:00:58,926 -The operation was to take out the people 16 00:00:59,126 --> 00:01:02,195 that were running the Hells Angel motorcycle gang. 17 00:01:02,329 --> 00:01:04,197 We went after Sonny Barger. 18 00:01:04,331 --> 00:01:08,568 -Sonny Barger was always, in my time, 19 00:01:08,568 --> 00:01:11,405 the acknowledged leader of the Hells Angel. 20 00:01:11,405 --> 00:01:14,408 -I did become friends with Sonny. 21 00:01:14,574 --> 00:01:17,177 I didn't feel bad. I knew what my job was. 22 00:01:17,277 --> 00:01:20,414 -What law enforcement was attempting to do 23 00:01:20,614 --> 00:01:22,649 is to cut the head off the snake. 24 00:01:22,649 --> 00:01:24,851 [ Gunshot ] 25 00:01:24,918 --> 00:01:28,121 -Over and over, they say they are not criminals, 26 00:01:28,121 --> 00:01:30,524 they're rebels rebelling against a society 27 00:01:30,524 --> 00:01:32,693 for which they have no respect. 28 00:01:32,759 --> 00:01:35,362 ♪ 29 00:01:35,362 --> 00:01:37,531 -We never gave a [Bleep] what anybody else thought. 30 00:01:37,631 --> 00:01:42,135 ♪♪ 31 00:01:42,336 --> 00:01:44,805 -We're mostly a bunch of happy-go-lucky guys 32 00:01:45,005 --> 00:01:46,606 trying to make it in this world, you know? 33 00:01:46,807 --> 00:01:48,442 -They're misfits, they're outlaws, 34 00:01:48,608 --> 00:01:52,012 and they defy the laws of attraction. 35 00:01:52,079 --> 00:01:54,581 -You know, I like them, I adore them. 36 00:01:54,648 --> 00:01:56,016 They're my whole life. 37 00:01:56,116 --> 00:01:57,851 ♪♪ 38 00:01:57,951 --> 00:02:00,287 -"Angels forever; forever Angels." 39 00:02:00,354 --> 00:02:02,055 Speaks for itself. 40 00:02:02,122 --> 00:02:04,124 ♪ 41 00:02:04,257 --> 00:02:07,127 -The Hells Angels are not a criminal organization. 42 00:02:07,194 --> 00:02:09,162 -Why don't you people go home?! 43 00:02:09,162 --> 00:02:11,598 -It's an organization with criminals in it. 44 00:02:11,732 --> 00:02:15,102 [ Indistinct shouting ] 45 00:02:15,168 --> 00:02:18,772 -The Hells Angels run a massive propaganda scheme, 46 00:02:18,839 --> 00:02:21,441 and the unknowing gulp down 47 00:02:21,575 --> 00:02:23,010 that Hells Angels Kool-Aid. 48 00:02:23,010 --> 00:02:25,178 -Everybody, just cool out! 49 00:02:25,245 --> 00:02:27,280 Hells Angels, everybody. 50 00:02:27,414 --> 00:02:32,119 -That is all designed to hide murder, rape, drug trafficking, 51 00:02:32,252 --> 00:02:35,889 gunrunning, extortion, assault, arson. 52 00:02:36,089 --> 00:02:38,191 ♪ 53 00:02:38,358 --> 00:02:40,160 -I'm not trying to glorify my life, 54 00:02:40,293 --> 00:02:42,496 but I'm certainly not gonna apologize for it. 55 00:02:42,562 --> 00:02:46,199 -I'm doing extreme stuff. 56 00:02:46,199 --> 00:02:47,701 For what? 57 00:02:47,768 --> 00:02:49,603 -I'm telling it the way it really happened. 58 00:02:49,736 --> 00:02:52,139 I never thought I'd be talking openly about this stuff. 59 00:02:52,205 --> 00:02:54,408 -Ready for this? -I'm ready. 60 00:02:54,408 --> 00:03:02,049 ♪ 61 00:03:02,049 --> 00:03:04,051 -[ Speaking indistinctly ] 62 00:03:04,251 --> 00:03:07,888 -My name is George Gus Christie Jr. 63 00:03:08,088 --> 00:03:12,526 I'm a former member of the Hells Angels motorcycle club. 64 00:03:12,592 --> 00:03:16,563 I rode with the Hells Angels for 40 years. 65 00:03:16,730 --> 00:03:20,200 There is not one definite leader in the Hells Angels, 66 00:03:20,333 --> 00:03:21,535 but there are different people 67 00:03:21,735 --> 00:03:23,370 that have become de facto leaders. 68 00:03:23,570 --> 00:03:26,807 I think Sonny Barger is a perfect example. 69 00:03:26,940 --> 00:03:29,209 -This man probably knows more about the Hells Angels 70 00:03:29,376 --> 00:03:31,778 than anyone. He is Sonny Barger, 71 00:03:31,845 --> 00:03:34,614 who helped organize the group 21 years ago 72 00:03:34,714 --> 00:03:36,216 and is considered by many to be 73 00:03:36,416 --> 00:03:39,119 the most powerful man in the Hells Angels. 74 00:03:39,119 --> 00:03:42,823 -Have I told you about the the nude hot tub party 75 00:03:42,923 --> 00:03:45,158 I was at with Sonny Barger? 76 00:03:45,158 --> 00:03:47,661 [ Laughter ] 77 00:03:48,795 --> 00:03:51,131 [ Laughs ] 78 00:03:51,331 --> 00:03:53,500 Honestly, when I look at him, 79 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,102 law enforcement thought he was stupid. 80 00:03:55,168 --> 00:03:57,471 He acted like a hick, talked like a hick. 81 00:03:57,571 --> 00:03:59,239 Man, he was smart. 82 00:03:59,406 --> 00:04:02,843 -Sonny -- I've never seen him drunk, 83 00:04:02,976 --> 00:04:04,578 I've never seen him do drugs. 84 00:04:04,644 --> 00:04:06,646 His focus was being a Hells Angel 85 00:04:06,646 --> 00:04:08,615 and being the best Hells Angel he could. 86 00:04:08,815 --> 00:04:12,486 -Sonny was really instrumental 87 00:04:12,586 --> 00:04:15,756 in giving the purpose to the Hells Angels. 88 00:04:15,889 --> 00:04:19,726 And the purpose was, he started to get into a business, 89 00:04:19,793 --> 00:04:22,496 and his business was the drug trade. 90 00:04:22,562 --> 00:04:25,532 -Why is the government going after you? 91 00:04:25,599 --> 00:04:29,402 -Well, they claim that I am the leader of the Hells Angels, 92 00:04:29,536 --> 00:04:32,606 and as such, they don't want to let me out. 93 00:04:32,772 --> 00:04:36,376 The only thing they allege against me in this case is, uh, 94 00:04:36,476 --> 00:04:40,614 involvement with an ounce and three quarters of dope. 95 00:04:40,814 --> 00:04:43,617 ♪ 96 00:04:43,683 --> 00:04:44,851 Look, you don't become the leader 97 00:04:44,918 --> 00:04:47,954 of a multinational organized-crime group 98 00:04:48,088 --> 00:04:51,224 without being smart, without being cunning, 99 00:04:51,324 --> 00:04:53,360 and without being deadly. 100 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,362 Sonny Barger took care of business, 101 00:04:55,362 --> 00:04:58,565 and he had a look in his eyes that terrified people, 102 00:04:58,632 --> 00:05:00,800 and they respected him. 103 00:05:00,934 --> 00:05:02,936 ♪ 104 00:05:03,003 --> 00:05:06,573 -Largely under the tutelage of Mr. Barger, 105 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,208 the Oakland Hells Angels 106 00:05:08,208 --> 00:05:11,011 became the dominant chapter throughout California, 107 00:05:11,011 --> 00:05:14,414 throughout the United States, and then worldwide. 108 00:05:14,481 --> 00:05:17,818 In part, this was because the Oakland chapter 109 00:05:17,884 --> 00:05:22,289 was more involved in narcotics than many other chapters, 110 00:05:22,389 --> 00:05:24,691 and it gave them a lot of influence. 111 00:05:24,758 --> 00:05:29,563 -They had huge amounts of money from the drug trade, 112 00:05:29,563 --> 00:05:33,200 and some of this money was going into a Freedom Defense Fund, 113 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:34,935 which was specifically designed 114 00:05:35,035 --> 00:05:37,737 so that they could hire the best lawyers, 115 00:05:37,804 --> 00:05:41,174 have the best defense against law enforcement. 116 00:05:41,374 --> 00:05:44,010 -The authorities were always trying 117 00:05:44,010 --> 00:05:45,378 to bring the Hells Angels down, 118 00:05:45,445 --> 00:05:47,013 and you had to be on your toes. 119 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:48,481 And it was like the movie "Heat." 120 00:05:48,615 --> 00:05:51,051 -Police! Don't move! Freeze! Police! 121 00:05:51,117 --> 00:05:52,552 Down on the ground now! 122 00:05:52,719 --> 00:05:54,487 Now! 123 00:05:54,554 --> 00:05:56,623 On the ground! 124 00:05:56,723 --> 00:06:02,195 ♪♪ 125 00:06:02,329 --> 00:06:07,834 ♪ 126 00:06:07,968 --> 00:06:09,502 -In San Francisco, 127 00:06:09,569 --> 00:06:11,638 The second racketeering and conspiracy trial 128 00:06:11,771 --> 00:06:14,040 of members of the Hells Angels motorcycle club 129 00:06:14,207 --> 00:06:16,042 has been declared a mistrial. 130 00:06:16,209 --> 00:06:18,778 ♪ 131 00:06:18,845 --> 00:06:21,248 -The Hells Angels were masters 132 00:06:21,248 --> 00:06:23,450 at having their own built-in defense. 133 00:06:23,450 --> 00:06:26,820 They were always savvy to law enforcement 134 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,488 trying to infiltrate them 135 00:06:28,588 --> 00:06:30,690 or trying to bring charges against them. 136 00:06:30,757 --> 00:06:33,126 -I had worked in other investigations, 137 00:06:33,226 --> 00:06:38,598 and we were able to establish a wiretap into telephones 138 00:06:38,598 --> 00:06:40,600 from the clubhouse. 139 00:06:40,767 --> 00:06:43,103 But on the 12th or 13th day, 140 00:06:43,169 --> 00:06:46,806 the call volume dropped substantially. 141 00:06:46,806 --> 00:06:49,943 -A key thing in the Hells Angels is there's a rule 142 00:06:50,010 --> 00:06:54,147 that you don't talk on the phone just in case that's a wiretap. 143 00:06:54,247 --> 00:06:56,683 So there was a sticker on the clubhouse phone 144 00:06:56,816 --> 00:06:59,119 that says, "This phone is bugged." 145 00:06:59,286 --> 00:07:01,321 -They had us under surveillance. 146 00:07:01,321 --> 00:07:03,123 Well, we had them under counter-surveillance. 147 00:07:03,323 --> 00:07:05,358 We had private investigators working for us, 148 00:07:05,358 --> 00:07:08,695 and I had a whole file on the police. 149 00:07:08,762 --> 00:07:12,165 ♪ 150 00:07:12,365 --> 00:07:15,135 -They were always one step ahead. 151 00:07:15,235 --> 00:07:17,938 Every agency, the FBI included, 152 00:07:18,138 --> 00:07:21,574 had problems with penetration by the Hells Angels. 153 00:07:21,641 --> 00:07:26,646 I got to the point where I knew we were leaking like a sieve. 154 00:07:26,846 --> 00:07:28,281 You go and you serve the search warrants, 155 00:07:28,448 --> 00:07:31,318 and the Hells Angel is wearing his pressed Levi's 156 00:07:31,484 --> 00:07:33,086 and his newly shined cowboy boots 157 00:07:33,153 --> 00:07:35,956 at 6:30 in the morning. 158 00:07:36,089 --> 00:07:38,091 Because they know you're coming. 159 00:07:38,158 --> 00:07:42,996 ♪ 160 00:07:43,163 --> 00:07:46,199 -There is no one organized-crime group 161 00:07:46,199 --> 00:07:49,302 that's ever been exterminated on this planet, 162 00:07:49,369 --> 00:07:53,206 partly because criminals work 24 hours a day, 163 00:07:53,206 --> 00:07:55,775 365 days a year. 164 00:07:55,842 --> 00:07:58,845 Cops work shifts. 165 00:07:59,045 --> 00:08:01,481 Whereas the bikers, they just keep rolling. 166 00:08:01,648 --> 00:08:04,484 [ Engine revving ] 167 00:08:04,617 --> 00:08:08,521 ♪ 168 00:08:08,521 --> 00:08:11,157 -Conventional investigative methods -- they're simply 169 00:08:11,291 --> 00:08:14,761 unavailable against any organized-crime group. 170 00:08:14,761 --> 00:08:19,833 So we had to use more intrusive techniques. 171 00:08:19,966 --> 00:08:21,868 ♪ 172 00:08:21,968 --> 00:08:25,171 I joined the FBI in 1975. 173 00:08:25,372 --> 00:08:27,841 The then-director ordered the FBI 174 00:08:28,008 --> 00:08:32,245 to investigate the so-called Big Four motorcycle gangs, 175 00:08:32,245 --> 00:08:34,014 of which the Hells Angels were, 176 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,416 and still are, the predominant gang. 177 00:08:36,483 --> 00:08:38,918 In attempting to do that investigation, 178 00:08:38,918 --> 00:08:40,854 you're just gonna do everything you can 179 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:42,856 to leave your ego at home. 180 00:08:42,922 --> 00:08:45,325 You just want the [Bleep] in jail. 181 00:08:45,392 --> 00:08:47,761 ♪ 182 00:08:47,761 --> 00:08:50,096 -I was working undercover narcotics. 183 00:08:50,163 --> 00:08:53,233 Methamphetamine first came into fashion 184 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,735 in the mid-'70s, 185 00:08:55,935 --> 00:08:59,172 really centered on the biker culture. 186 00:08:59,239 --> 00:09:02,575 [ Engine revs ] 187 00:09:02,675 --> 00:09:05,245 -When 1980 rolled around, the Hells Angels were 188 00:09:05,445 --> 00:09:07,414 well entrenched in drug business. 189 00:09:07,514 --> 00:09:11,284 -The Hells Angels are no different than the Mafia. 190 00:09:11,484 --> 00:09:14,320 They're no different than a Mexican drug cartel. 191 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:19,192 These guys were harming hundreds and hundreds of people. 192 00:09:19,325 --> 00:09:21,961 [ Indistinct shouting ] 193 00:09:21,961 --> 00:09:24,964 I was definitely looking for new strategies, 194 00:09:24,964 --> 00:09:26,966 particularly something that would focus 195 00:09:27,066 --> 00:09:30,937 on the major drug trafficking within the Hells Angels. 196 00:09:31,037 --> 00:09:34,941 The other part was to take out the leadership. 197 00:09:35,008 --> 00:09:37,577 Do I think Barger was involved in the drug business? 198 00:09:37,644 --> 00:09:39,012 Yes, I think he was. 199 00:09:39,112 --> 00:09:41,448 I think that's where he derived the bulk of his income, 200 00:09:41,448 --> 00:09:44,084 but very much in an executive role. 201 00:09:44,217 --> 00:09:50,690 ♪ 202 00:09:50,757 --> 00:09:52,158 [ Engine revs ] 203 00:09:52,158 --> 00:09:54,794 -They had that theory -- if you eliminate Sonny Barger, 204 00:09:54,961 --> 00:09:58,498 the rest of the club is gonna fall by the wayside. 205 00:09:58,598 --> 00:10:00,333 But it never would. 206 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,136 ♪ 207 00:10:03,236 --> 00:10:06,005 -When we were involved in investigations, 208 00:10:06,005 --> 00:10:08,208 at some point, we started to identify 209 00:10:08,341 --> 00:10:11,878 what we felt were the cooks -- that is, the individuals 210 00:10:12,011 --> 00:10:14,013 that were making the methamphetamine. 211 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,616 The top of that list was Kenny Owen. 212 00:10:16,816 --> 00:10:21,521 -Kenny Owen became probably the most valuable player 213 00:10:21,521 --> 00:10:23,490 in this whole enterprise. 214 00:10:23,556 --> 00:10:26,326 He was like the Walter White of the Hells Angels. 215 00:10:26,526 --> 00:10:28,895 -You look at Kenny Owen's high school picture 216 00:10:28,962 --> 00:10:31,564 and you see the All-American boy. 217 00:10:31,564 --> 00:10:33,967 Great smile, good-looking guy. 218 00:10:33,967 --> 00:10:39,339 The Kenny Owen I knew was driven and very focused 219 00:10:39,405 --> 00:10:44,444 on the production of wealth and willing to take risks. 220 00:10:44,577 --> 00:10:47,847 -He became a key target, in terms 221 00:10:47,847 --> 00:10:51,117 of any methamphetamine production investigation. 222 00:10:51,251 --> 00:10:53,686 -If you want to call Sonny the brains of the operation, 223 00:10:53,887 --> 00:10:56,089 Kenny was the muscle behind the operation, 224 00:10:56,189 --> 00:10:59,359 so the two of them went hand-in-hand. 225 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,794 The Hells Angels were very masterful 226 00:11:01,928 --> 00:11:03,897 at being secretive about what they did, 227 00:11:03,963 --> 00:11:08,168 which is what made them so dangerous to law enforcement. 228 00:11:08,368 --> 00:11:10,870 It was becoming really sort of a brick wall. 229 00:11:10,970 --> 00:11:14,841 They needed a real insider, somebody that could get close 230 00:11:15,008 --> 00:11:17,710 to these key players, to befriend them, 231 00:11:17,810 --> 00:11:21,247 to gather intelligence, and they needed real results. 232 00:11:21,247 --> 00:11:24,851 And that's, in fact, exactly what the Feds did. 233 00:11:24,918 --> 00:11:28,888 They used an informant to infiltrate the Hells Angels, 234 00:11:29,088 --> 00:11:33,159 so he became invaluable to law enforcement. 235 00:11:33,293 --> 00:11:38,831 ♪ 236 00:11:38,965 --> 00:11:40,967 -My name is Anthony Tait. 237 00:11:41,100 --> 00:11:44,137 I penetrated into the Hells Angels motorcycle gang 238 00:11:44,204 --> 00:11:45,772 in the mid-'80s. 239 00:11:53,446 --> 00:11:55,615 ♪ 240 00:11:55,715 --> 00:11:58,718 -I was an undercover operative. 241 00:11:58,851 --> 00:12:00,753 I was doing a job. 242 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,691 I feel some of the skills needed to do undercover work 243 00:12:04,757 --> 00:12:07,727 and intelligence work is, you need a calm demeanor. 244 00:12:07,794 --> 00:12:12,999 ♪ 245 00:12:12,999 --> 00:12:16,970 My dad was in the British Army, working in intelligence, 246 00:12:16,970 --> 00:12:19,572 and during his time in the Middle East, 247 00:12:19,772 --> 00:12:22,408 there had been a contract placed on him. 248 00:12:22,408 --> 00:12:25,144 ♪ 249 00:12:25,211 --> 00:12:27,880 We moved to a small town in Alaska, 250 00:12:28,014 --> 00:12:33,653 and my father taught me about observation and reconnaissance 251 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,123 and intelligence work. I wanted to be in the military, 252 00:12:37,323 --> 00:12:40,126 and I wanted to do long-range reconnaissance. 253 00:12:40,193 --> 00:12:42,929 ♪ 254 00:12:42,996 --> 00:12:45,164 The late '70s, 255 00:12:45,164 --> 00:12:47,600 I started bouncing in a group of night clubs 256 00:12:47,734 --> 00:12:49,736 in downtown Anchorage. 257 00:12:49,802 --> 00:12:52,105 While I was working, I got to know 258 00:12:52,171 --> 00:12:54,374 some of the motorcycle gang members. 259 00:12:54,474 --> 00:12:58,144 They would come into a club, brutalize customers, 260 00:12:58,211 --> 00:12:59,879 brutalize the dancers. 261 00:13:00,013 --> 00:13:02,215 I didn't like what was going on. 262 00:13:02,282 --> 00:13:04,684 ♪ 263 00:13:04,684 --> 00:13:06,519 I was having dinner 264 00:13:06,719 --> 00:13:08,521 with a couple of police officer friends, 265 00:13:08,721 --> 00:13:11,924 and I said, "You know, you guys have had ample opportunity 266 00:13:12,058 --> 00:13:15,495 to investigate these bikers, and you haven't done anything." 267 00:13:15,561 --> 00:13:19,365 And so I literally put myself on the line and said, 268 00:13:19,365 --> 00:13:23,169 "I bet that I could get into the Anchorage Hells Angels." 269 00:13:23,169 --> 00:13:26,406 They said, "I'll bet you can't." 270 00:13:26,539 --> 00:13:29,642 And I was taken up on the bet. 271 00:13:29,809 --> 00:13:32,812 The wager was a bottle of Scotch whiskey. 272 00:13:33,012 --> 00:13:37,483 Once I got involved with the motorcycle gang, 273 00:13:37,617 --> 00:13:40,520 one of their officers said, 274 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,256 "We'd like you to start hanging around with us." 275 00:13:43,322 --> 00:13:45,958 I needed to get closer to them 276 00:13:46,092 --> 00:13:48,361 and make them comfortable with me. 277 00:13:48,361 --> 00:13:54,334 And about 6 to 7 months later, they made me a prospect. 278 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,869 ♪ 279 00:13:56,969 --> 00:13:58,871 [ Indistinct shouting ] 280 00:13:58,971 --> 00:14:01,774 While I was a prospective member, 281 00:14:01,841 --> 00:14:05,211 you're essentially on 24-hour call. 282 00:14:05,211 --> 00:14:08,848 You're doing everything from partying 283 00:14:09,015 --> 00:14:11,250 to witness intimidation. 284 00:14:11,451 --> 00:14:14,420 [ Engine revving ] 285 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,556 In July of 1983, 286 00:14:16,723 --> 00:14:18,691 they made me a Hells Angel member. 287 00:14:18,758 --> 00:14:23,096 Essentially, we just started gathering information 288 00:14:23,162 --> 00:14:25,298 for my law enforcement friends. 289 00:14:25,364 --> 00:14:27,133 On day-to-day basis, 290 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,103 I would see everything from drug dealing, 291 00:14:30,169 --> 00:14:33,740 stolen motorcycles, abuse, beatings. 292 00:14:33,806 --> 00:14:39,612 It was a lot larger than I had ever bargained for. 293 00:14:39,612 --> 00:14:42,248 -Within a very short period of time, 294 00:14:42,248 --> 00:14:44,250 he was a Hells Angel. 295 00:14:44,317 --> 00:14:46,352 He had the mentality. He had everything. 296 00:14:46,486 --> 00:14:48,287 It's just that he was ratting them out. 297 00:14:48,388 --> 00:14:50,056 ♪♪ 298 00:14:50,123 --> 00:14:53,493 -I used a lot of the training that I learned from my father 299 00:14:53,559 --> 00:14:56,329 about gathering intelligence. 300 00:14:56,396 --> 00:14:58,765 I would take everything that I got, 301 00:14:58,765 --> 00:15:02,902 and then I'd sit down with one or both of the P.D. officers 302 00:15:02,969 --> 00:15:05,304 and we'd discuss what had happened. 303 00:15:05,371 --> 00:15:07,940 There was just so much intelligence 304 00:15:08,007 --> 00:15:10,410 that we actually agreed 305 00:15:10,610 --> 00:15:13,412 that we needed to get the FBI involved. 306 00:15:13,479 --> 00:15:15,848 -I did become aware 307 00:15:15,982 --> 00:15:19,485 that in Anchorage, Alaska, chapter, a Hells Angel 308 00:15:19,485 --> 00:15:22,288 had agreed to cooperate with the government, 309 00:15:22,488 --> 00:15:24,824 and that was where I got involved. 310 00:15:24,924 --> 00:15:27,527 [ Music plays on slot machine ] 311 00:15:27,627 --> 00:15:31,564 We met in a hotel in Las Vegas, Nevada. 312 00:15:31,697 --> 00:15:35,768 He answered the door in a suit and tie. 313 00:15:35,935 --> 00:15:38,971 -The first time I met Tim McKinley, 314 00:15:39,172 --> 00:15:42,241 he seemed to be a lot more on the ball 315 00:15:42,375 --> 00:15:45,978 than the agents that I had been talking to. 316 00:15:46,179 --> 00:15:48,414 He had a sense of humor I liked, 317 00:15:48,481 --> 00:15:50,650 and I thought I could work with him 318 00:15:50,650 --> 00:15:53,686 and it would be a good match. 319 00:15:53,886 --> 00:15:56,055 -One of the things that got explained to him was, 320 00:15:56,122 --> 00:15:59,525 "We're going to be recording everything you do, 321 00:15:59,725 --> 00:16:02,562 to the extent that it is humanly possible." 322 00:16:02,562 --> 00:16:06,966 -Obviously, the interest was, who could he infiltrate 323 00:16:07,033 --> 00:16:09,502 and what could he tell us about the club... 324 00:16:09,569 --> 00:16:12,605 -And whether that was something that he was interested in. 325 00:16:12,738 --> 00:16:14,574 He said, absolutely, that he wanted 326 00:16:14,674 --> 00:16:17,577 to put as many of them in prison as he could. 327 00:16:17,643 --> 00:16:23,015 We settled on that he would get paid $1,500 a month. 328 00:16:23,115 --> 00:16:26,652 -Tony Tait was a bit obsessed, actually, 329 00:16:26,719 --> 00:16:28,521 with wanting to be a police officer, 330 00:16:28,721 --> 00:16:30,523 wanting to do good. 331 00:16:30,690 --> 00:16:34,360 And it sort of, like, dovetailed into his passion/obsession 332 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,729 with helping law enforcement. 333 00:16:36,829 --> 00:16:40,733 -I knew that if they were gone, there would be a lot less crime. 334 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,335 That was my motive, 335 00:16:42,535 --> 00:16:44,570 was to put them completely out of business. 336 00:16:44,570 --> 00:16:46,739 ♪ 337 00:16:46,806 --> 00:16:51,010 -The investigation using tape is codenamed Operation CACUS. 338 00:16:51,010 --> 00:16:54,614 Everything was kept very close to the vest. 339 00:16:54,714 --> 00:16:59,485 -The operation was to take out the major manufacturers 340 00:16:59,619 --> 00:17:01,487 and the people that were running 341 00:17:01,587 --> 00:17:03,923 the Hells Angels motorcycle gang. 342 00:17:04,123 --> 00:17:07,360 We went after Sonny Barger, we went after Kenny Owen. 343 00:17:07,493 --> 00:17:11,898 -Kenny had been taught how to manufacture methamphetamine 344 00:17:11,964 --> 00:17:16,569 by a Shell Oil chemist, so he knew very well 345 00:17:16,769 --> 00:17:18,804 how to manufacture methamphetamine. 346 00:17:18,938 --> 00:17:22,041 -His meth was -- you know, people always say "pure." 347 00:17:22,208 --> 00:17:25,177 It's pretty hard to get 100%. But that was the rumor, 348 00:17:25,244 --> 00:17:27,413 that his meth was the best. 349 00:17:27,613 --> 00:17:30,950 ♪ 350 00:17:31,083 --> 00:17:34,487 In Oakland, they set up labs, and they got really cautious. 351 00:17:34,587 --> 00:17:36,923 Kenny Owen was the most cautious of them all. 352 00:17:37,123 --> 00:17:38,457 They had labs all over the place. 353 00:17:38,524 --> 00:17:42,194 Kenny Owen had equipment downtown in his warehouse, 354 00:17:42,328 --> 00:17:45,932 but it was built behind a secret wall. 355 00:17:46,132 --> 00:17:47,500 No one had ever seen it. 356 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,170 -The Kenny Owen group was the predominant source of cash 357 00:17:51,304 --> 00:17:54,240 to the Hells Angels Oakland chapter 358 00:17:54,407 --> 00:17:56,776 and to several other chapters. 359 00:17:56,976 --> 00:18:00,813 So that if you removed that availability of ready cash, 360 00:18:00,913 --> 00:18:04,250 then you could put them in a vise 361 00:18:04,250 --> 00:18:05,851 and squeeze real, real hard. 362 00:18:05,918 --> 00:18:08,321 That was part of the goal. 363 00:18:08,321 --> 00:18:13,526 ♪ 364 00:18:13,592 --> 00:18:18,731 ♪ 365 00:18:18,831 --> 00:18:22,335 -The initial concept was that Tait was going to go 366 00:18:22,401 --> 00:18:26,806 and make controlled purchases of methamphetamine. 367 00:18:26,806 --> 00:18:28,975 ♪ 368 00:18:29,075 --> 00:18:30,810 -Kenny Owen would only sell 369 00:18:30,810 --> 00:18:32,612 to people that he knew on the street. 370 00:18:32,778 --> 00:18:34,347 And so it was very, very difficult 371 00:18:34,447 --> 00:18:36,449 for law enforcement to penetrate that. 372 00:18:36,449 --> 00:18:38,317 -Part of the architecture was 373 00:18:38,484 --> 00:18:41,687 to promote him as a significant drug dealer, 374 00:18:41,887 --> 00:18:44,323 someone who could buy weight and distribute it. 375 00:18:44,323 --> 00:18:47,960 And so you learn to have a story 376 00:18:48,094 --> 00:18:50,129 on what would make sense to a dealer. 377 00:18:50,196 --> 00:18:52,932 -The first thing that we had to do was 378 00:18:53,032 --> 00:18:55,968 for me to get around and get known amongst people. 379 00:18:56,168 --> 00:18:57,970 [ Engine revs ] 380 00:18:58,170 --> 00:19:01,941 The persona we created was a high-roller drug dealer. 381 00:19:02,008 --> 00:19:04,577 -You have to give the Hells Angels 382 00:19:04,677 --> 00:19:07,380 something they expect to see. 383 00:19:07,446 --> 00:19:11,317 We weren't buying street-level drugs, 384 00:19:11,450 --> 00:19:15,488 so, you know, street knowledge wasn't gonna cut it. 385 00:19:15,554 --> 00:19:19,525 He had to know the mid- to upper-level range of 386 00:19:19,525 --> 00:19:23,696 transactions dealing in multi pounds and multi kilos. 387 00:19:23,763 --> 00:19:26,632 The Bureau of Narcotics agents had the current prices 388 00:19:26,766 --> 00:19:30,536 and the current slang words, and they shared that with Tait. 389 00:19:30,636 --> 00:19:35,207 -There were people behind him who fed him scripts. 390 00:19:35,408 --> 00:19:37,977 Every time he talked to someone, it was scripted, 391 00:19:38,044 --> 00:19:41,013 so the agents controlled him completely. 392 00:19:41,213 --> 00:19:43,749 -I get invited 393 00:19:43,849 --> 00:19:46,085 to go out to dinner with the Oakland Charter, 394 00:19:46,085 --> 00:19:48,688 but I'd order like 3 or 4 entrees 395 00:19:48,754 --> 00:19:51,257 and take a bite or two out of each one 396 00:19:51,323 --> 00:19:52,525 and then pass it around. 397 00:19:52,658 --> 00:19:54,560 Or if wine came and I didn't like it, 398 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,997 I'd order 2 or 3 bottles of another type of wine. 399 00:19:58,130 --> 00:20:00,566 I was the high-rolling guy 400 00:20:00,633 --> 00:20:04,270 that didn't do drugs and took care of myself. 401 00:20:04,370 --> 00:20:07,606 That garnered a lot of trust and a lot of confidence. 402 00:20:07,606 --> 00:20:09,742 ♪ 403 00:20:09,809 --> 00:20:12,011 -You become one of them. 404 00:20:12,144 --> 00:20:16,248 And so they like you more. They trust you more. 405 00:20:16,248 --> 00:20:20,086 They're okay with selling you drugs. 406 00:20:20,152 --> 00:20:23,322 -Tony Tait was the first active Hells Angel 407 00:20:23,322 --> 00:20:25,124 to be an informant for law enforcement. 408 00:20:25,124 --> 00:20:28,961 This was the first time that they had a live asset 409 00:20:29,161 --> 00:20:30,963 inside the organization. 410 00:20:30,963 --> 00:20:34,400 -To try to make recordings on these guys, 411 00:20:34,533 --> 00:20:36,202 to make buys from them, 412 00:20:36,335 --> 00:20:37,903 you're double-dealing them the whole time. 413 00:20:37,970 --> 00:20:40,406 So if Tony Tait gets found out, 414 00:20:40,406 --> 00:20:43,008 he's dead out in the wilderness in Alaska, 415 00:20:43,142 --> 00:20:45,144 he's bear food. 416 00:20:52,518 --> 00:20:54,453 -Tim McKinley's ultimate goal in Operation CACUS 417 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,089 was to topple the main players. 418 00:20:57,156 --> 00:20:58,657 He wanted to go after Sonny, 419 00:20:58,724 --> 00:21:00,326 he wanted to go after Kenny Owen. 420 00:21:00,326 --> 00:21:03,162 He thought if he could get rid of that leadership, 421 00:21:03,362 --> 00:21:05,164 of the money supply, 422 00:21:05,164 --> 00:21:07,533 he could topple the whole organization. 423 00:21:07,633 --> 00:21:13,305 -We needed to have high-quality electronic recordings 424 00:21:13,372 --> 00:21:16,041 of the ultimate defendant saying, 425 00:21:16,175 --> 00:21:20,045 "I've either done this crime or I'm gonna do this crime." 426 00:21:20,179 --> 00:21:28,521 ♪ 427 00:21:28,521 --> 00:21:32,124 When you're trying to put a transmitting device 428 00:21:32,258 --> 00:21:35,161 into a meeting, it needs to be camouflaged 429 00:21:35,161 --> 00:21:36,796 so that it's not readily apparent 430 00:21:36,929 --> 00:21:38,931 as a transmitting device. 431 00:21:38,998 --> 00:21:42,568 At the time, cellphones weren't really readily available yet, 432 00:21:42,701 --> 00:21:45,371 so, instead, people had Telepagers. 433 00:21:45,371 --> 00:21:48,808 The Telepager worked as a pager, 434 00:21:48,808 --> 00:21:51,810 but it also concealed a very small transmitter. 435 00:21:51,810 --> 00:21:55,614 -It takes an incredible amount of guts 436 00:21:55,681 --> 00:21:58,651 for an individual to not only walk into 437 00:21:58,717 --> 00:22:02,288 a roomful of Hells Angels, but to go in wired. 438 00:22:02,354 --> 00:22:06,425 ♪ 439 00:22:06,525 --> 00:22:08,894 -Tait was going to his first meeting 440 00:22:08,961 --> 00:22:11,330 at the Oakland Clubhouse, 441 00:22:11,397 --> 00:22:13,732 and we're hoping for the best. 442 00:22:13,933 --> 00:22:15,935 [ Indistinct conversations ] 443 00:22:16,001 --> 00:22:17,570 -It can't get any better than that, 444 00:22:17,570 --> 00:22:19,772 where you're going to be at meetings 445 00:22:19,905 --> 00:22:22,408 where all your fellow officers 446 00:22:22,408 --> 00:22:25,411 of all the different chapters on the West Coast are there. 447 00:22:25,411 --> 00:22:29,381 -The agents put him in situations, 448 00:22:29,448 --> 00:22:31,650 and he's a tool. An informant is a tool. 449 00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:36,288 -Law enforcement was gonna have to protect Tony Tait 450 00:22:36,388 --> 00:22:38,624 so that he didn't get himself killed. 451 00:22:38,724 --> 00:22:41,560 It was a pretty risky operation. 452 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,763 -The first time I went to the Oakland Clubhouse 453 00:22:44,964 --> 00:22:48,033 wearing a transmitter, I was slightly concerned. 454 00:22:48,167 --> 00:22:52,204 -I would not bet on Tony getting out of anywhere alive 455 00:22:52,371 --> 00:22:54,373 if they discovered it. 456 00:22:54,373 --> 00:22:57,843 He was walking the tightrope as high as you can. 457 00:22:57,977 --> 00:23:00,613 ♪ 458 00:23:00,613 --> 00:23:06,252 -The code word for "I need help" was "My mother won't like this." 459 00:23:06,318 --> 00:23:09,922 And that was the time for everybody to get their skates on 460 00:23:10,089 --> 00:23:11,290 and get to it. 461 00:23:11,490 --> 00:23:14,927 -Tait went into the meeting. 462 00:23:14,994 --> 00:23:18,197 You could hear him having conversation 463 00:23:18,330 --> 00:23:21,166 with the people up front, and as the door shut, 464 00:23:21,166 --> 00:23:24,570 it was like the cone of silence came down. 465 00:23:24,737 --> 00:23:26,572 ♪ 466 00:23:26,739 --> 00:23:29,541 No signal at all, 467 00:23:29,608 --> 00:23:31,310 like it had been turned off. 468 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:33,812 ♪♪ 469 00:23:33,812 --> 00:23:38,484 He was essentially all cut off and on his own. 470 00:23:38,484 --> 00:23:42,655 He didn't know that he had no backup all of a sudden. 471 00:23:42,721 --> 00:23:44,857 I was scared to death 472 00:23:44,924 --> 00:23:46,525 that they were in there killing him. 473 00:23:46,525 --> 00:23:48,794 ♪ 474 00:23:48,961 --> 00:23:51,530 Eventually, he came out and I told him, 475 00:23:51,597 --> 00:23:54,133 "Well, a big problem with the transmitter." 476 00:23:54,333 --> 00:23:56,368 And he explained, "Well, maybe that's because 477 00:23:56,502 --> 00:23:59,171 the place is lined with quarter-inch steel plate." 478 00:23:59,171 --> 00:24:02,508 ♪ 479 00:24:02,608 --> 00:24:05,377 It was just another obstacle to be overcome. 480 00:24:05,444 --> 00:24:08,814 ♪ 481 00:24:09,014 --> 00:24:11,483 -The Oakland Clubhouse had steel walls. 482 00:24:11,650 --> 00:24:15,054 The steel walls were to protect from drive-by shootings, 483 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:17,523 but ultimately, it served two purposes. 484 00:24:17,523 --> 00:24:19,525 It stopped any stray bullets, 485 00:24:19,525 --> 00:24:22,161 it stopped any grenades getting thrown through a window, 486 00:24:22,361 --> 00:24:26,699 and it also stopped any type of interception of conversations. 487 00:24:26,765 --> 00:24:29,134 I don't know how well it would have worked 488 00:24:29,201 --> 00:24:30,536 against a drive-by shooting, 489 00:24:30,636 --> 00:24:33,539 but it worked real well against an FBI transmitter. 490 00:24:33,605 --> 00:24:37,176 ♪ 491 00:24:37,376 --> 00:24:39,378 I realized that the clubhouse, 492 00:24:39,445 --> 00:24:41,380 while it was armored on the front, 493 00:24:41,447 --> 00:24:43,782 wasn't armored on the back and sides. 494 00:24:43,849 --> 00:24:48,153 So some surveillance was done from the trunk of an automobile, 495 00:24:48,287 --> 00:24:52,491 where you put the agent -- typically, me -- in the trunk. 496 00:24:52,558 --> 00:24:55,127 You'd be in the trunk for hours. 497 00:24:55,227 --> 00:24:57,763 You'd have to get in there before the meeting started. 498 00:24:57,763 --> 00:25:00,699 You'd have to stay in there until the meeting ended. 499 00:25:00,766 --> 00:25:02,868 If the call of nature occurred, you'd have to have 500 00:25:02,968 --> 00:25:04,937 a bleach bottle to take care of things. 501 00:25:05,037 --> 00:25:06,705 It was miserable. 502 00:25:06,772 --> 00:25:09,975 About the third meeting that he went to, 503 00:25:10,042 --> 00:25:11,777 we had resolved the technical issues 504 00:25:11,877 --> 00:25:15,014 and could real-time-monitor what was occurring. 505 00:25:15,214 --> 00:25:16,815 [ Click ] 506 00:25:16,882 --> 00:25:20,252 -Going to the Oakland Clubhouse for a weekly meeting, 507 00:25:20,352 --> 00:25:22,688 usually there's just generic topics brought up -- 508 00:25:22,755 --> 00:25:26,091 everything from T-shirts and sticker sales 509 00:25:26,291 --> 00:25:29,561 to problems with females in particular 510 00:25:29,728 --> 00:25:33,132 that had 2 or 3 boyfriends in the same charter, 511 00:25:33,232 --> 00:25:34,933 that was causing friction. 512 00:25:34,967 --> 00:25:37,069 So... [ Chuckles ] 513 00:25:37,169 --> 00:25:38,804 There's a lot of business 514 00:25:38,937 --> 00:25:41,607 that is not discussed at a meeting, period, 515 00:25:41,607 --> 00:25:44,009 because it's, uh -- it's criminal in nature, 516 00:25:44,143 --> 00:25:45,978 and they don't want everybody in the room 517 00:25:46,044 --> 00:25:48,247 to know exactly what's going on. 518 00:25:48,247 --> 00:25:51,250 I would hear something in a meeting, 519 00:25:51,450 --> 00:25:54,453 and then I would go and approach that one person 520 00:25:54,553 --> 00:25:56,755 a day or two later. 521 00:25:56,922 --> 00:25:59,525 And a lot of times, they would flat open up 522 00:25:59,658 --> 00:26:02,761 and give me every single detail about it. 523 00:26:02,928 --> 00:26:05,197 [ Indistinct conversations ] 524 00:26:05,330 --> 00:26:09,101 -We all felt, "There is real opportunity here." 525 00:26:09,168 --> 00:26:11,570 We had somebody who could tell us 526 00:26:11,737 --> 00:26:14,373 what was the truth about what was going on. 527 00:26:14,506 --> 00:26:17,042 -I never liked Tony Tait from the beginning, 528 00:26:17,176 --> 00:26:19,812 with one of my closest brothers in the club. 529 00:26:19,812 --> 00:26:21,013 Thought he was a stand-up guy, 530 00:26:21,146 --> 00:26:23,982 and I tried to go into it with an open mind. 531 00:26:24,049 --> 00:26:26,485 -We were making really good progress. 532 00:26:26,485 --> 00:26:29,521 I learned more about their illegal activities 533 00:26:29,521 --> 00:26:31,323 and their illegal businesses. 534 00:26:31,323 --> 00:26:34,026 The Hells Angels had no clue I was undercover. 535 00:26:34,126 --> 00:26:35,127 [ Clatter ] 536 00:26:41,533 --> 00:26:42,935 -With Kenny Owen, he was not somebody 537 00:26:43,001 --> 00:26:45,537 that I could have approached at the beginning of the operation 538 00:26:45,637 --> 00:26:48,106 and told, "Hey, I need a pound of meth." 539 00:26:48,173 --> 00:26:50,976 I couldn't have done that. That would have been impossible. 540 00:26:51,076 --> 00:26:53,579 [ Engine revs ] 541 00:26:53,645 --> 00:26:56,448 I would try to pre-arrange the drug deals 542 00:26:56,615 --> 00:27:00,319 so that I would spend as little time as possible with them. 543 00:27:00,486 --> 00:27:02,287 So I'd do what was called a bounce. 544 00:27:02,421 --> 00:27:06,492 I'd roll in, buy the stuff, and back out in another five 545 00:27:06,692 --> 00:27:08,961 with the product. 546 00:27:09,094 --> 00:27:14,066 The most I did in one day was four separate pound buys 547 00:27:14,166 --> 00:27:16,368 in the San Francisco Bay area 548 00:27:16,368 --> 00:27:19,771 from four different members in different charters. 549 00:27:19,905 --> 00:27:22,808 So I burned out surveillance teams. 550 00:27:23,008 --> 00:27:25,777 They just couldn't keep up. 551 00:27:25,844 --> 00:27:28,547 And after a bit, 552 00:27:28,614 --> 00:27:31,416 everybody I approached and tried to buy drugs from 553 00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:34,219 sold them to me. No one ever said no. 554 00:27:34,286 --> 00:27:38,056 -As more and more individuals sort of stepped up 555 00:27:38,123 --> 00:27:40,526 and started flirting with Tait about drugs, 556 00:27:40,692 --> 00:27:42,794 then they'd get added to the list, 557 00:27:42,928 --> 00:27:46,331 all the time, working toward Kenny Owen. 558 00:27:46,398 --> 00:27:50,969 ♪ 559 00:27:51,103 --> 00:27:52,604 There certainly is a time pressure 560 00:27:52,738 --> 00:27:55,507 on any operation and any investigation. 561 00:27:55,574 --> 00:27:58,844 You have the pressures from the higher-ups 562 00:27:59,011 --> 00:28:00,379 to wrap this thing up. 563 00:28:00,479 --> 00:28:04,283 That starts the day after you start the case. 564 00:28:04,416 --> 00:28:07,019 We conducted 'round-the-clock, seven-day-a-week, 565 00:28:07,085 --> 00:28:09,922 24-hour-a-day surveillance through Thanksgiving, 566 00:28:09,922 --> 00:28:12,291 through Christmas, through New Year's. 567 00:28:12,357 --> 00:28:15,260 The people who are actively involved in the case, 568 00:28:15,327 --> 00:28:17,396 their lives start to fall apart. 569 00:28:17,563 --> 00:28:20,732 I had a couple of small kids at the time. 570 00:28:20,933 --> 00:28:23,702 After I finished getting the kids homeworked 571 00:28:23,769 --> 00:28:28,106 and bathed and fed and into bed, then I'd go back to work. 572 00:28:28,173 --> 00:28:29,641 It was difficult. 573 00:28:29,775 --> 00:28:33,745 When you have someone working like Tait, 574 00:28:33,812 --> 00:28:38,216 where he was in constant, almost-24-hour-a-day, 575 00:28:38,450 --> 00:28:39,851 seven-day-a-week, 576 00:28:39,918 --> 00:28:42,754 week-after-week-after-week- after-week contact 577 00:28:42,921 --> 00:28:46,458 with the bad guys, very few people can handle 578 00:28:46,525 --> 00:28:48,894 more than 2 or 3 or 4 months of it. 579 00:28:48,961 --> 00:28:53,532 -I had a place where they knew that I lived -- 580 00:28:53,632 --> 00:28:57,169 law enforcement and the Hells Angels. 581 00:28:57,302 --> 00:28:59,338 Then, I had a secret apartment 582 00:28:59,438 --> 00:29:02,107 that only law enforcement knew about. 583 00:29:02,174 --> 00:29:06,411 I had another place that nobody knew about. 584 00:29:06,411 --> 00:29:10,248 So when I wanted to get away from absolutely everything, 585 00:29:10,449 --> 00:29:14,252 I could go and I could hang there by myself if I needed to. 586 00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:18,490 Quite frankly, I was getting a little bit tired. 587 00:29:18,690 --> 00:29:20,292 I was starting to feel the pressure. 588 00:29:20,492 --> 00:29:24,129 I was having more and more demand placed upon me, 589 00:29:24,329 --> 00:29:27,966 and I was trying to keep everything afloat, 590 00:29:27,966 --> 00:29:31,136 all at the same time, so I was pretty stressed. 591 00:29:31,336 --> 00:29:36,775 I was averaging about 4 to 5 days a month at home. 592 00:29:36,842 --> 00:29:38,577 The rest of the time, I was on the road. 593 00:29:38,644 --> 00:29:41,179 [ Telephone rings ] 594 00:29:41,246 --> 00:29:43,582 Whenever I was home, the phone was always ringing. 595 00:29:43,649 --> 00:29:45,884 It was a lot of work. 596 00:29:45,884 --> 00:29:48,020 ♪ 597 00:29:48,086 --> 00:29:50,522 -He was in the club, a member. 598 00:29:50,522 --> 00:29:53,759 He couldn't make a mistake. He was never really off. 599 00:29:53,892 --> 00:29:56,128 ♪ 600 00:29:56,194 --> 00:29:58,730 -Had they found out that I was undercover, 601 00:29:58,830 --> 00:30:00,932 they would have killed me. 602 00:30:00,999 --> 00:30:03,535 ♪ 603 00:30:03,635 --> 00:30:07,406 Picture the most graphic scene you could of human torture, 604 00:30:07,539 --> 00:30:09,508 and that would be it. 605 00:30:09,608 --> 00:30:11,810 ♪♪ 606 00:30:11,977 --> 00:30:15,781 -Tait was assessed every time I talked to him. 607 00:30:15,847 --> 00:30:17,082 Every single time, 608 00:30:17,215 --> 00:30:19,418 I'm looking at him, I'm taking his pulse. 609 00:30:19,484 --> 00:30:22,220 He's under a lot of pressure. 610 00:30:22,287 --> 00:30:24,723 "Is he gonna crack up?" 611 00:30:24,923 --> 00:30:27,359 He started saying, "We need to wrap this thing up." 612 00:30:27,526 --> 00:30:31,363 I was pressuring Tait, keep up with his role. 613 00:30:31,563 --> 00:30:33,999 We needed more done and more done. 614 00:30:34,132 --> 00:30:38,370 -It's just too much going on and too many moving parts. 615 00:30:38,370 --> 00:30:41,173 We were getting deeper and deeper and deeper. 616 00:30:41,173 --> 00:30:46,545 ♪ 617 00:30:46,611 --> 00:30:48,714 -As time passed, 618 00:30:48,814 --> 00:30:51,683 yeah, we were making steps in this investigation. 619 00:30:51,883 --> 00:30:55,587 Within about a year after we started Operation CACUS, 620 00:30:55,687 --> 00:30:57,723 I was nominated for the position 621 00:30:57,923 --> 00:30:59,691 of West Coast Sergeant of Arms. 622 00:30:59,758 --> 00:31:01,259 Sergeant of arms -- 623 00:31:01,326 --> 00:31:03,462 you're maintaining order and discipline. 624 00:31:03,562 --> 00:31:04,963 If there was something of violence 625 00:31:04,963 --> 00:31:09,067 that was involving your chapter or another chapter, 626 00:31:09,134 --> 00:31:11,903 you would be part and parcel of the retaliation. 627 00:31:11,970 --> 00:31:13,538 [ Indistinct shouting ] 628 00:31:13,739 --> 00:31:15,974 -Tait, as the sergeant at arms of the West Coast, 629 00:31:16,041 --> 00:31:19,044 was the fourth most powerful Hells Angel on the West Coast. 630 00:31:19,211 --> 00:31:21,546 That gave him access to the world, 631 00:31:21,613 --> 00:31:23,448 and also Sonny Barger. 632 00:31:23,448 --> 00:31:25,851 ♪ 633 00:31:32,157 --> 00:31:33,125 -Tony Tait did rise up through the ranks 634 00:31:33,325 --> 00:31:34,893 by kissing everybody's [Bleep]. 635 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,963 People perceived Tony Tait as a brother. 636 00:31:38,163 --> 00:31:40,766 That's what he used. He used the brotherhood. 637 00:31:40,932 --> 00:31:43,935 -I wasn't sure how I could get closer to Sonny, 638 00:31:44,136 --> 00:31:46,138 other than let him approach me. 639 00:31:46,204 --> 00:31:48,573 And that's what happened. He came to me. 640 00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:50,976 ♪ 641 00:31:51,042 --> 00:31:54,746 Sonny came to me one day. He said, "You know, Tony, 642 00:31:54,813 --> 00:31:57,082 you're what every Hells Angel ought to be. 643 00:31:57,249 --> 00:31:59,451 You're clean-cut, you're articulate, 644 00:31:59,651 --> 00:32:01,453 you take care of club business." 645 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,688 And that was all recorded. 646 00:32:03,688 --> 00:32:07,559 So the two agents just couldn't believe what they were hearing. 647 00:32:07,692 --> 00:32:09,327 -And we started laughing. 648 00:32:09,528 --> 00:32:11,530 "Yeah, you're a government agent." 649 00:32:11,596 --> 00:32:19,404 ♪ 650 00:32:19,538 --> 00:32:21,673 It's 10:00 at night, 651 00:32:21,773 --> 00:32:25,811 and I get this 911 page from Tait's pager, 652 00:32:25,811 --> 00:32:28,780 which is not going to be good news. 653 00:32:28,980 --> 00:32:31,650 So I go off in my robe and bunny slippers, 654 00:32:31,650 --> 00:32:34,686 get to a payphone, call Tait. 655 00:32:34,686 --> 00:32:36,855 Tait tells me a Hells Angel 656 00:32:37,055 --> 00:32:40,325 has been murdered in Kentucky by Outlaws 657 00:32:40,525 --> 00:32:43,094 and that everybody's going nuts. 658 00:32:43,195 --> 00:32:48,133 ♪♪ 659 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:53,171 ♪ 660 00:32:53,171 --> 00:32:57,409 -As a government informant, he cannot commit murder. 661 00:32:57,542 --> 00:33:01,379 And so it became imperative 662 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,548 that the Feds extricate him out 663 00:33:03,615 --> 00:33:05,450 before his whole cover is blown, 664 00:33:05,517 --> 00:33:08,854 because he can't tell Sonny, "I'm not gonna kill for you." 665 00:33:09,054 --> 00:33:11,857 -The whole timeline sped up. 666 00:33:11,923 --> 00:33:16,962 It went from 35 miles an hour to about 80 overnight. 667 00:33:17,095 --> 00:33:20,332 -You want to make sure that you have a fileable case. 668 00:33:20,398 --> 00:33:23,902 If there's a hole in something that you need to go clean up, 669 00:33:23,969 --> 00:33:26,004 or you need to get some more conversation 670 00:33:26,171 --> 00:33:27,539 about something, you know, you want to do 671 00:33:27,639 --> 00:33:30,075 all those things before you pull the plug. 672 00:33:30,175 --> 00:33:33,745 -Tait didn't have much time left. 673 00:33:33,812 --> 00:33:36,414 He needed to get the evidence from Kenny Owen 674 00:33:36,414 --> 00:33:40,285 to get him on the wire selling meth. 675 00:33:40,285 --> 00:33:42,888 -Kenny had become comfortable with Tait. 676 00:33:42,888 --> 00:33:44,723 He had seen how he acted. 677 00:33:44,723 --> 00:33:47,492 He'd heard about other people selling him drugs. 678 00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:52,097 So Tait was instructed it was Kenny's turn. 679 00:33:52,163 --> 00:33:56,101 -I dropped by his house at about 1:00 in the afternoon. 680 00:33:56,201 --> 00:33:59,771 I called him from the street. He came down, unlocked the gate. 681 00:33:59,771 --> 00:34:01,172 We went in and had some coffee, 682 00:34:01,306 --> 00:34:03,008 and then I started talking to him, 683 00:34:03,141 --> 00:34:05,043 and I asked him straight up. 684 00:34:05,210 --> 00:34:06,111 I said, "Hey, man, you wouldn't happen 685 00:34:06,211 --> 00:34:07,779 to have an elbow with you?" 686 00:34:07,879 --> 00:34:11,616 An elbow was just street slang for an "lb," a pound. 687 00:34:11,683 --> 00:34:14,252 He said, "Oh, yeah, yeah. I got one for you." 688 00:34:14,319 --> 00:34:15,787 And I said, "Oh, okay." 689 00:34:15,887 --> 00:34:17,923 And I said, "Hey, man, I don't have the cash right now." 690 00:34:18,089 --> 00:34:19,558 And he said, "Oh, don't worry about it. 691 00:34:19,691 --> 00:34:23,295 Pay me later tonight." It was $10,000 a pound. 692 00:34:23,395 --> 00:34:27,198 I actually was pretty amazed for me to walk in 693 00:34:27,332 --> 00:34:30,435 and get a pound fronted to me on the first deal. 694 00:34:30,568 --> 00:34:32,203 I thought that was pretty good, 695 00:34:32,337 --> 00:34:36,007 so my credibility spoke for itself. 696 00:34:36,141 --> 00:34:38,410 I got the pound, go to the car, 697 00:34:38,410 --> 00:34:41,046 and then drive back to the hotel. 698 00:34:41,179 --> 00:34:43,381 Agents came, we sat there and debriefed, 699 00:34:43,448 --> 00:34:47,285 and it was a done deal. 700 00:34:47,485 --> 00:34:51,089 -We got the tape, and that's a pretty good case. 701 00:34:51,156 --> 00:34:53,458 Juries can get that. 702 00:34:53,525 --> 00:35:02,767 ♪ 703 00:35:02,901 --> 00:35:06,972 Tait was the pointy end of the spear. 704 00:35:07,172 --> 00:35:14,346 Where Barger and other people were conspiring to kill Outlaws, 705 00:35:14,412 --> 00:35:16,581 Barger's becoming more involved in this, 706 00:35:16,648 --> 00:35:19,050 and the conspiracy is getting larger. 707 00:35:19,150 --> 00:35:20,685 That changed things. 708 00:35:20,885 --> 00:35:27,926 ♪ 709 00:35:28,059 --> 00:35:30,729 But the case that I had constructed 710 00:35:30,795 --> 00:35:36,501 was never built to investigate a murder conspiracy. 711 00:35:36,601 --> 00:35:40,372 -For Sonny to be convicted of conspiracy to commit murder, 712 00:35:40,372 --> 00:35:43,108 they needed to get him on the wire 713 00:35:43,174 --> 00:35:47,379 conspiring to murder Outlaws. 714 00:35:47,445 --> 00:35:49,180 -If you don't lock it down tight 715 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,851 and make sure that there is no reasonable doubt there, 716 00:35:53,051 --> 00:35:56,121 then Sonny's gonna walk again. 717 00:35:56,254 --> 00:36:01,126 The jury needed to hear words the Hells Angels don't ever use, 718 00:36:01,259 --> 00:36:05,797 "kill," "murder," that sort of thing. 719 00:36:05,930 --> 00:36:08,566 The level of difficulty was going to increase 720 00:36:08,566 --> 00:36:12,871 by at least a factor of 10, and the level of danger 721 00:36:12,971 --> 00:36:15,707 was going to go right through the roof. 722 00:36:23,581 --> 00:36:27,052 -I needed Barger to unequivocally say 723 00:36:27,118 --> 00:36:32,123 that he was in favor of Tait killing people. 724 00:36:32,123 --> 00:36:34,926 Tait and I had had a meeting and I had said, 725 00:36:34,926 --> 00:36:38,730 "I need you to say this, this, this, and this." 726 00:36:38,797 --> 00:36:41,900 And he said, "I just can't use the K-word. 727 00:36:41,966 --> 00:36:45,370 I can't say 'kill.' I just can't do it." 728 00:36:45,370 --> 00:36:47,939 And literally, had to pour two shots of whiskey into him 729 00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:51,142 to get him to agree to do it. 730 00:36:51,242 --> 00:36:52,210 -[ Chuckles ] 731 00:36:52,410 --> 00:36:53,978 That may be. 732 00:36:54,045 --> 00:36:55,580 There was a lot of times where 733 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,116 I just wouldn't want to do a damn thing 734 00:36:58,216 --> 00:37:03,088 or I didn't feel comfortable in doing it. 735 00:37:03,254 --> 00:37:06,124 I went to Sonny Barger's house 736 00:37:06,124 --> 00:37:10,462 and we talked about the retaliation against the Outlaws, 737 00:37:10,528 --> 00:37:11,963 and I showed him some pictures 738 00:37:12,163 --> 00:37:15,200 of the Outlaws clubhouse in Chicago, 739 00:37:15,333 --> 00:37:18,770 and how I was going to place a bomb on the side 740 00:37:18,770 --> 00:37:20,772 and a bomb on the front. 741 00:37:20,772 --> 00:37:24,275 The first bomb would blow up on the side of the building 742 00:37:24,375 --> 00:37:27,545 and the second bomb would kill all the survivors 743 00:37:27,612 --> 00:37:31,583 and their associates. 744 00:37:31,716 --> 00:37:35,286 Sonny replied, "Is this building they're building the tall one?" 745 00:37:35,487 --> 00:37:39,324 I said, "Yes, the brick one." Sunny told me, "That's great. 746 00:37:39,324 --> 00:37:42,260 That's exactly what we want. That's great." 747 00:37:42,327 --> 00:37:44,696 So he had given me his blessing 748 00:37:44,796 --> 00:37:48,166 to blow up the Chicago clubhouse. 749 00:37:48,366 --> 00:37:50,702 -So we get Barger to acknowledge 750 00:37:50,768 --> 00:37:52,670 that it's definitely a conspiracy 751 00:37:52,770 --> 00:37:55,340 to commit murder via bombing. 752 00:37:55,406 --> 00:37:58,376 And at that point, I thought any jury in the world 753 00:37:58,476 --> 00:38:00,445 is going to convict on that. 754 00:38:00,612 --> 00:38:05,150 ♪ 755 00:38:05,250 --> 00:38:07,051 I pulled Tait out of the field, 756 00:38:07,118 --> 00:38:09,654 because the danger of him getting identified 757 00:38:09,721 --> 00:38:15,326 and executed was just unacceptable. 758 00:38:15,527 --> 00:38:18,897 Tait went into the Witness Security program. 759 00:38:20,899 --> 00:38:22,534 -As soon as they went over, 760 00:38:22,734 --> 00:38:28,706 the FBI went to the condo I was living in and cleared it out, 761 00:38:28,773 --> 00:38:33,511 put everything into storage on the Air Force base. 762 00:38:33,611 --> 00:38:38,349 -We had a 4:00 in the morning meeting at a military facility 763 00:38:38,416 --> 00:38:41,286 where he had all these law enforcement officers show up, 764 00:38:41,419 --> 00:38:45,256 and everyone was told, there will be no phone calls. 765 00:38:45,323 --> 00:38:47,091 We weren't going to have any leaks. 766 00:38:47,158 --> 00:38:52,564 We weren't going to get compromised again. 767 00:38:52,564 --> 00:38:54,165 -12 members of the Hells Angels 768 00:38:54,299 --> 00:38:58,336 were picked up in 26 raids in the Bay area. 769 00:38:58,403 --> 00:39:01,539 -We used more than 1,000 law enforcement officers 770 00:39:01,739 --> 00:39:06,010 to execute the search and arrest warrants. 771 00:39:06,010 --> 00:39:10,348 -Don't move, police! Police! Get on the ground! 772 00:39:10,415 --> 00:39:12,450 -Three suspected methamphetamine laboratories 773 00:39:12,517 --> 00:39:14,886 were raided today, including what sources describe 774 00:39:14,886 --> 00:39:17,055 as the biggest, most active one inside 775 00:39:17,121 --> 00:39:21,292 a place right across from club headquarters. 776 00:39:21,392 --> 00:39:23,261 -That was a moment of elation, 777 00:39:23,328 --> 00:39:27,098 when Kenny Owen irrevocably stepped over the line. 778 00:39:27,165 --> 00:39:29,567 The search warrant got executed. 779 00:39:29,734 --> 00:39:36,207 There's 30 pounds of dope in a red, painted metal foot locker, 780 00:39:36,374 --> 00:39:39,777 and there was a bank currency-counting machine 781 00:39:39,878 --> 00:39:42,213 flipping through a stack of hundreds, 782 00:39:42,380 --> 00:39:47,085 going wicketa-wicketa-wicketa. 783 00:39:47,085 --> 00:39:51,089 The agents just kept coming up with more money and more money 784 00:39:51,256 --> 00:39:53,658 and more money and more money. 785 00:39:53,725 --> 00:39:58,730 All in all, $2.499 million in cash. 786 00:39:58,796 --> 00:40:03,902 He had chemicals to make $22 million worth of dope. 787 00:40:03,968 --> 00:40:07,138 You know, how many lives have you just saved? 788 00:40:07,238 --> 00:40:10,541 We were all elated that we had Kenny, 789 00:40:10,608 --> 00:40:13,244 because we knew that that taking him off 790 00:40:13,411 --> 00:40:17,615 was going to be financially devastating to the Hells Angels 791 00:40:17,615 --> 00:40:19,684 and was going to knock them back decades, 792 00:40:19,684 --> 00:40:24,689 in terms of their criminal progress. 793 00:40:24,689 --> 00:40:28,526 -On the day that we took Operation CACUS over, 794 00:40:28,526 --> 00:40:33,564 I had to sit at a telephone for the entire day 795 00:40:33,698 --> 00:40:38,770 so I could be contacted and asked questions by agents 796 00:40:38,936 --> 00:40:40,538 all over the country. 797 00:40:40,605 --> 00:40:44,509 Someone came in and said, "You need to see this. 798 00:40:44,575 --> 00:40:47,011 There's a TV report." 799 00:40:47,011 --> 00:40:50,148 And then I saw a picture of Sonny 800 00:40:50,214 --> 00:40:51,783 being taken out of his house. 801 00:40:51,916 --> 00:40:53,284 -And in jail tonight 802 00:40:53,418 --> 00:40:56,654 is the Hells Angel godfather, Ralph "Sonny" Barger. 803 00:40:56,721 --> 00:40:59,524 -I felt a pretty big sense of accomplishment. 804 00:40:59,724 --> 00:41:01,326 -And 37 other Angels. 805 00:41:01,526 --> 00:41:02,860 -And I'm thinking, you know what? 806 00:41:02,927 --> 00:41:05,797 How did a [bleep] member get to Sonny like that? 807 00:41:05,930 --> 00:41:08,533 You know, he should have been safeguarded. 808 00:41:08,733 --> 00:41:13,137 -Sonny trusted him because of their common bond, 809 00:41:13,204 --> 00:41:15,573 that patch that's on his back. 810 00:41:15,707 --> 00:41:17,608 He's a traitor. 811 00:41:17,742 --> 00:41:23,648 ♪ 812 00:41:23,815 --> 00:41:29,821 ♪ 813 00:41:29,887 --> 00:41:35,860 ♪ 814 00:41:35,927 --> 00:41:38,896 -Tait was, without a doubt, 815 00:41:38,963 --> 00:41:42,767 the best undercover I have ever worked with. 816 00:41:42,767 --> 00:41:44,302 -It was a once-in-a-lifetime thing. 817 00:41:44,369 --> 00:41:46,170 No one else will ever be able to do it. 818 00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:48,172 I have a lot of respect for Tony. 819 00:41:48,172 --> 00:41:52,176 -I'm sure he's reviled in the Hells Angels. 820 00:41:52,243 --> 00:41:53,611 -The Hells Angels knew 821 00:41:53,745 --> 00:41:57,348 I was working undercover the minute they were arrested. 822 00:41:57,415 --> 00:41:59,617 -He's always going to have a bounty on his head. 823 00:41:59,684 --> 00:42:01,886 -If Tony Tait was here right now, 824 00:42:02,053 --> 00:42:07,125 I think what you'd see is one old man, being me, 825 00:42:07,125 --> 00:42:08,693 beating up another old man. 826 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,495 I figure [bleep] what he's got coming, 827 00:42:10,561 --> 00:42:11,929 he's got coming. 828 00:42:12,130 --> 00:42:14,198 [ Chuckles ] There it is. 829 00:42:14,332 --> 00:42:17,101 -Was it worth it to me? 830 00:42:17,168 --> 00:42:21,339 Years ago, I would say, yeah, every bit of it was. 831 00:42:21,406 --> 00:42:23,574 Now, not so much. 832 00:42:23,574 --> 00:42:28,780 I do feel that for what I put into it and what I sacrificed, 833 00:42:28,846 --> 00:42:33,484 they merely got slaps on the wrist. 834 00:42:33,484 --> 00:42:39,757 ♪ 835 00:42:39,924 --> 00:42:46,130 ♪ 836 00:42:46,330 --> 00:42:49,367 ♪ 64294

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