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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 0:03 [Music] 0:23 [Music] 0:35 [Applause] [Music] 0:42 foreign [Music] 1:03 [Music] 1:10 so [Music] 1:23 [Applause] [Music] 1:31 [Applause] [Music] 1:38 ladies and gentlemen this is an account of actual events involving real people 1:44 the names have been changed and they'll be portrayed by professional actors for obvious reasons but as far as the motion picture medium 1:50 permits it the manner in which these events came about and the answers given under hypnosis by ruth simmons 1:56 will be presented as they happen in reality i want to make it clear that i am neither a qualified doctor 2:01 nor a professional hypnotist i'm a conventional businessman with a respectable three-generation family 2:07 business in the town of pueblo colorado so to show you how and why our search for brady murphy came about 2:13 i'll go back and start from the beginning one night just as my wife hazel and i 2:19 were leaving our house to go to a party hello hello i'm trying to find maury 2:25 bernstein this is mari i'm jerry thomas i didn't mean to bother you but i was 2:31 all set to take off for denver on my own plane when a storm warning came through i'm grounded here for the night then i 2:38 remember my cousin uh george taylor telling me to call you if i ever got stuck in pueblo 2:45 so i'm stuck can you help me i guess i'd better your cousin's just about our largest 2:50 account where are you calling from at the drugstore near the airport all 2:55 right my wife and i will come and pick you up right away well a visiting fireman has to be 3:00 entertained so we took him along to a party that was being given by rex and ruth simmons you can imagine how great i felt when he 3:07 turned out to be a parlor hypnotist it's hazy and out of focus just keep 3:12 looking at it till it starts to get hazy and out of focus 3:17 easy and out of focus i'm sorry about this if i'd known his 3:22 brains needed testing i wouldn't have brought him here forget it they're happy you're beginning 3:28 to feel sleepy 3:33 can you hear me you're in a deep refreshing sleep you're enjoying it 3:40 it feels wonderful who are you kidding jerry lois is no more hypnotized than i am are 3:45 you lois is she a husband or a boyfriend here oh yes 3:50 i'm dr dearing this is mr thomas he and lois are engaged howdy joe how you doing uh would you say 3:56 your fiance is faking all this just for a gag 4:03 i wish i could say yes she's in a genuine hypnotic trance you're a fully qualified medical 4:08 practitioner and you believe this mambo jumbo this must be the first time you've ever seen anybody in a hypnotic trance i'm 4:14 still waiting for proof that it is a hypnotic trance okay lois how old are you 4:21 26. all right i'm gonna take you back to the time when you were much younger 4:26 you're just going to drift back through time until you come to your 14th birthday 4:32 you're drifting through time now you're 14 years old it's your 4:38 birthday what's your name lois mcinlock where are you at home 4:43 where's home 387 linden drive pueblo no kansas city 4:49 uh can you tell us anything particularly nice about your birthday bobby's such a fool you see that scratch 4:56 on my wrist yeah sami kane gave me a copy of forever amber 5:02 and bobby got so mad he's just so jealous and you like bobby uh-huh he's 5:08 real cute would you like to write your name on this piece of paper sure 5:20 that's fine okay now let's try going further back shall we let's try going 5:26 back to your sixth birthday and now you're six years old is it a happy day for you uh-huh can you 5:34 read and write some show me how you write your name all of it 5:39 as much of it as he can well i i don't make elle so good 5:45 never mind try oh uh that's the hand you always use 5:52 sure teacher's trying to change me over but i don't want to anyone want to 5:59 ask her a question yes what's playing at the local movie house 6:05 do you know what movie's playing at the local theater lois ginger rogers and fred astaire in top 6:11 hat i seen it it's lovely okay now you're feeling peaceful and rested 6:18 when you wake up you'll feel fine and you'll feel hungry you'll ask for something to eat 6:24 after you have taken two bites you will reach down and remove your left shoe and stocking 6:30 have you got that you have mm-hmm right when i count three you'll wake up rested and hungry in this 6:37 present state one two three 6:46 it's better than a steam bath and a massage anytime oh i'm dying of hunger can i have 6:52 something to eat 7:10 why has everyone gone so quiet i didn't say anything i shouldn't did i why did you take off your shoe in 7:15 stocking well i didn't oh 7:20 did i do that what on earth for because i told you to remind me never to 7:27 play poker with you will you well mr bernstein now what do you say 7:34 bet you couldn't do it to me want to try sure oh no maury 7:41 watch this ring just keep looking at it until it becomes hazy and out of form 7:49 hazy and out of form see 7:57 ah i quit killing my act well you're fighting me oh he isn't he's one of the few types that's immune to 8:03 hypnotic suggestion oh you bet i am that's the way he's gonna stay see what can you do 8:08 i could have forgotten the whole nutty business then and there if dr dearing hadn't defended my ego by that crack of 8:14 his as it was i went to the library next day to find out what was so unusual about my 8:20 immunity to hypnosis whether that made me any screwier than the people who go out like a light the minute some phony 8:26 snaps his fingers at them 8:40 the next thing i knew i'd stumbled into a world where scientists and philosophers had repeatedly claimed that 8:45 hypnotism in the right hands could be used for the benefit of all mankind i read 8:50 everything i could find on the subject until at last i was bursting to find out whether i could hypnotize 8:56 even if i couldn't be hypnotized hazel herself determined the path i would take from there on 9:02 for years she had suffered from migraine headaches that weren't brought on by any organic cause and therefore none of the doctors had 9:08 been able to cure them darling you've been wishing you had a 9:14 guinea pig to experiment with how about me i'm nearly going crazy i'll 9:21 try anything you will okay why not 9:27 give me a moment to brush up on it 9:44 it was too easy she responded exactly as the textbook said a good subject would respond 9:49 i told her the headaches weren't coming from any physical cause therefore they were only imagined and that she wasn't going to fear them 9:55 anymore when i brought her out of it the headache was gone after that there was no holding me i had 10:02 her stand with her arm stretched out i told her it was a steel bar welded to her body and it was 10:30 hazel hazel hazel hazel your arm is no longer a steel bar 10:37 you're relaxed and rested you feel no discomfort no discomfort of any kind if you're no discomfort of any kind 10:44 you're waking up and feeling fine you're you're waking up and feeling fine you're waking 10:52 you do feel fine don't you honey yes yes they have been wonderful 11:00 maury you should wake me up sooner i've had a cake in the oven 11:10 well there i was murray bernstein big shot hypnotist in one successful jump i was so full of 11:16 confidence i decided then and there to prove deering wrong by hypnotizing myself but the wind was blowing from the wrong 11:21 direction or something i only broke myself up one thing was certain i was determined 11:27 to conquer every obstacle that stood between me and a complete working knowledge of hypnosis from a to z 11:33 deering didn't fall over backwards with enthusiasm but he said he was willing to go along with me in fact if you'd like to make yourself 11:39 useful we're as short-staffed as the diggins you could check in as a part-time occupational therapist and 11:45 see how your theories stand up against cold hard reality oh mari sure can i you really mean that 11:52 he's never known what it's like to be short-staffed you'll find out oh brother willie most people are easily 11:59 hypnotized and most people can learn to hypnotize after that it's up to the intelligence and responsibility of the people 12:05 concerned [Music] vote [Music] 12:13 you stand up and take my arm and you can't please yes you can you can walk 12:18 slowly and surely i began to get results now vote 12:29 a really good subject can boost up his intelligence to its maximum control pain in any part of his own body 12:34 and relax completely in the face of almost any crisis but one day i inherited a case that was 12:40 much too tricky for an amateur to tackle even with during supervision [Music] 12:46 it's no good i don't seem to be making any headway with her tell her she doesn't have polio tell her she just thinks she has because she saw her 12:52 sister die of it i can't tell her things like that i can only suggest positive thinking [Music] 12:58 go ahead and suggest it 13:07 you are not afraid anymore you gotta conquer your fears 13:13 i don't remember how it happened i wish i could do you remember how you feel while 13:19 you're being hypnotized i'm afraid that so far no one's been able to hypnotize me not at all 13:25 how can you possibly know what you're doing he cured you didn't he 13:31 oh who you kidding doctor you're the one that cured me 13:36 the next development and the biggest yet came almost out of the blue my father was entertaining the managing 13:41 director of a big tractor company a fellow called catlett and i brought him to our house for drinks before taking him out to dinner 13:47 maury your father's been telling me about your fascination with hypnotism tell me have you ever heard of a man by 13:53 the name of edgar casey no is he someone i should have heard of well he died in 45 13:59 casey used hypnosis on himself to diagnose illness in other people he was even able to tell them who they 14:05 were in a previous existence and sometimes what they could expect in the future oh no what's so funny look the whole 14:11 reason why hypnotism is cold shoulder by medicine and science is because phonies like this value you're talking about try and turn a serious medium into a 14:17 load of baloney and set hypnotism back another hundred years 14:23 you're entitled to your own opinion maury just as we all are but edgar casey kept my father alive for 14:30 20 years if you are serious about the value of hypnotism and medicine my advice to you 14:36 is make it your job to investigate thoroughly before you condemn out of hand just as we do in business 14:47 i'm sorry mr catlett so am i i had no right to sand off the way i did 14:52 can you tell me more about this man casey well he was a farm boy with no 14:57 specialized education beyond grade school except for a profound knowledge of the bible he knew less than nothing about 15:04 medicine until he hypnotized himself into a state of trance and recontacted his patient on 15:09 another level of consciousness then he spoke in a voice of absolute authority and profound medical knowledge 15:16 it wasn't even necessary for the patient to be there in the same room with him in a number of cases he wasn't even in 15:21 the same town casey had the ability to direct his subconscious mind to wherever he wanted 15:26 it to go and he always cured his patient i don't think you quite follow me 15:32 casey didn't do the curing he analyzed the cause of the illness furthermore he refused to take personal 15:38 credit for the results he maintained that he was merely an instrument of god's will 15:44 what's your explanation of it i don't know i don't have one i accept his the conscious mind in its 15:52 normal state is insensitive to anything except its own immediate problems under hypnosis however casey was able to 15:59 draw upon the universal knowledge which is as old as mankind itself which exists in the subconscious mind i 16:05 still don't see how reincarnation is dragged into all this well once casey was in contact with the 16:11 patient's subconscious memory he was able to tell whether a physical illness really was physical 16:18 or if the cause lay much further back in time and some act of cruelty or greed committed in some 16:24 previous existence on this earth you mean nobody ever gets away with a darn thing does that dismay you no but it's an ugly 16:31 thought that we have to come back here to pay for our past crimes when we're not even allowed to remember what we did wrong would a man be better 16:37 off for knowing about his past sins when his only purpose here is to repair a damage he did to himself 16:44 casey believed that we are never faced with an obstacle we aren't capable of surmounting 16:50 according to him the law of creation is compassionate and just this planet 16:56 is just one step in a vast plan for a spiritual evolution which eventually enables a man to 17:03 perfect himself return to his creator are there any books about him that i could read yes there's plenty of information 17:09 available at the public library if that isn't enough his son hugh has kept all of his files intact at virginia 17:15 beach i'm certain he'll give you complete access to them hey hazel did you get the message oh sure it just passed ten feet over my 17:21 head tell me didn't casey ever do anything simple enough for someone like me to understand well way back in the early days of 17:29 casey's career a boy was brought to him with an incurable infection on his leg 17:34 he was brought by one of the very few doctors who didn't look on casey with open hostility as a fraud 17:40 casey used his self-hypnosis to enter into a state of trance and had once made contact with the boy on a deep 17:45 subconscious level he diagnosed the infection as bordering on the need for amputation 17:50 then he stated that a medication existed that could still affect a cure its name was oil of smoke the doctor 17:57 never heard of it nor could he find any reference to it in the local druggist catalogs 18:03 so presuming that casey had made a mistake he went back to him this time under trance casey's 18:08 subconscious mind projected itself into a fairly distant town he named the town and gave the address 18:13 of an obscure drug store where the oil of smoke could be obtained in answer to the doctor's wire however 18:19 the drug has sent back word that he didn't carry and had never carried oil of smoke or anything approximating it 18:25 once again casey went into his self-induced hypnotic state and this time he specified the exact 18:30 shelf from the drug store where the oil of smoke could be found so now the boy's fate lay in the hands of the druggist who could have well 18:36 dismissed the second wire as the work of an irresponsible crank instead he took the trouble to look on the shelf case he described there he 18:43 found a bottle which had been there overlooked through all the years he had owned the drugstore it was labeled oil of smoke 18:51 there was only one bottle and the company that manufactured it had been out of business for so long that no records of its existence remained 18:58 but it did its job so thoroughly that in just over a week the boy was safely out of any danger of 19:03 amputation and in as many days again his leg had healed completely not 19:09 because i doubted catholic sincerity but because i always have to prove everything to myself firsthand 19:14 i read up all i could on casey and when i still found him too hard to swallow without a grain of salt i made it my 19:19 business to go to virginia beach to meet his son hugh he turned out to be a dignified and 19:24 courteous gentleman of the old school who allowed me complete access to his father's documented case histories 19:30 over two thousand of them time after time under hypnosis edgar casey had re-examined and re-diagnosed the 19:37 problems of the people who'd come to him some for physical help some for spiritual help 19:42 often his findings were literally last-minute rescues from the grave and invariably as catheters said he 19:48 attributed the source of his power to his rigid faith in god [Music] 19:54 seems like i've got quite a bit of retracting to do well i'm glad you're willing to concede that edgar cayce 19:59 wasn't a fraud fraud no sir 20:06 that he never was look casey proved one thing to me beyond any further question of doubt whatsoever 20:13 there's such a gigantic force wrapped up in hypnosis that handled the right way it could stop civilization going crazy 20:19 and blowing itself up gee hazel this is the first time i've ever seen him so head up oh he's sincere all right he may be 20:25 knocking himself out of the ring but he's sincere this thing must have a lot of other angles that nobody's learned how to contact or make use of yet 20:31 well i don't mean reincarnation that's for the birds but something some sort of universal energy that could 20:37 be harnessed age regression that's the beginning hypnotizing somebody back to their childhood 20:42 if the human brain can remember things that far back it must be a pretty smart contraption i just can't get over maury wanting to 20:48 break the time barrier with his two bare hands look ma no jet oh ha ha very comical 20:55 turn blow bernstein oh morty we're just kidding you because we love you 21:01 let a mage regress you back to your childhood and we'll stand by with diapers and safety bins no i'm afraid i'm not a very good 21:06 subject for him anymore i just sort of lie there and doze peacefully with my mind a complete blank 21:12 makes him so mad hey ruth how about you why don't you be the guinea pig this time 21:17 hmm i don't know shall i rex uh i i don't think so why not i like you just as you are oh 21:23 thank you what do you think i'm gonna do turn her into a halloween witch or something look why should ruth and i monkey around 21:30 with something we don't understand and don't want to rex has a point there after all it isn't the kind of a thing that a respectable 21:36 insurance man would want to tangle with is like belonging to a noticed camp and then suddenly finding your picture in a 21:42 health magazine at the local drug store yeah big fat joke what if i did come home one night and say look i just got 21:47 my picture in a health magazine under hypnosis and the head office has fired me you wouldn't laugh then i bet 21:53 isn't he a pet just as square as they come but i worship all six sides 21:59 what can you do with a doll like this all right i give up nurse notify surgery before he changes his 22:04 mind oh maury get him another scotch my murky pass may knock him for a loop better make it a double double right all 22:11 you want to do is to drift off into a peaceful pleasant deep deep sleep flame means sleep 22:19 flame sleep flame sleep 22:26 flame sleep 22:36 now we're going to drift back through time when next i talk to you you'll remember how you felt when you were only 22:42 seven years old but you will be able to answer me if i ask you any questions 22:47 how you can feel yourself drifting way back through time and space when you were just seven years old but 22:53 you will be able to answer me if i ask you any questions now we're back at the time when you were 22:58 seven years old do you go to school 23:06 yes what school do you go to 23:12 delphi academy all right who sits in front of you 23:21 jacqueline and who sits behind you 23:27 bername anime what oof do you know any boys in the class 23:36 what is the name of one of them donald donald what 23:45 parker well there it was ruth took to it like a duck to water it 23:50 would have been a crime not to press on further even rex admitted that so a couple of nights later when they couldn't get a babysitter we went over 23:56 to their house and picked up where we'd left off all right now rest and relax i'm gonna 24:03 talk to you in a moment by then you'll remember the way you felt when you were only one year old 24:09 only one year old but you'd be able to tell me about it now do you remember how you felt when 24:16 you were one year old yes did you have any toys 24:25 had some blocks 24:30 and a cotton dolly what did you say when you wanted to drink of water 24:40 what did you say when you wanted a glass of milk 24:46 couldn't say that all right now rest and relax rest and relax because in a moment we're 24:52 going to try and go even further back haven't you gone back far enough 24:58 ruth would you sooner not go back any further don't mind all right 25:06 now we're going to drift back through time and space back back as far back as your memory can 25:12 go whatever you see try and tell me about 25:17 [Music] 25:26 it 25:33 no you're as far back as your memory can go can you still see yourself yes 25:45 you still know what your name is uh-huh righty her name is what 25:53 righty don't you have any other names heidi murphy where do you live 26:03 in cork court what is the name of the country in which 26:09 you live it's ireland ireland 26:18 how old are you four years old are you a girl or a boy 26:26 a girl what are you doing 26:31 [Music] i scratched the paint off all my bed 26:38 [Music] just painted it and made it pretty 26:44 it's a metal bedding i scratched the paint off it 26:52 my nails in every posting just ruined it it was just terrible 27:00 why did you do that i ran through the house and 27:05 got a spanking [Music] 27:14 now try and see yourself a little older see if you can see yourself at six or seven or eight 27:22 how old are you eight well now that you're eight years 27:28 old you know what year it is 27:35 something 1806. 27:43 1806. that's enough more you bring her out of it we can't stop now hazel make him see 27:50 we can't stop now dark telemet's not doing her any harm she said to herself when i asked her no it's too dangerous rex let me carry on a 27:56 few minutes longer please no it's too dangerous doc's not worried is he he'd know if she was in any danger 28:02 for pete's sacrex now that we've come this far he's breathing evenly her pulse is a little slow regular 28:09 but it's your decision nobody else's rex please 28:18 all right go ahead all right it's 1806 your name's friday murphy what 28:24 is the name of your mother kathleen what is your father's name 28:32 duncan duncan murphy is he a tall man or a short man 28:39 tall man what color hair 28:44 sort of reddish like mine your hair's red hmm all right it's 1806 your name's 28:51 friday murphy and you're eight years old what are you doing now 29:02 playing house with my brother what is your brother's name duncan play any other games hide and 29:12 seek [Music] 29:24 can't find duncan those better places than me to hide is nothing older than you how much older 29:33 two years older do you have any other brothers or sisters 29:40 he had one brother that died what did he die from 29:45 he was sick some kind of a black something i don't 29:52 know how old were you when he died four 29:57 how old was he just a baby he was sick 30:06 and i ran through the house and made a noise and he died and i got a spanking 30:14 scratched all the paint off my bed tell me why did they name you friday 30:21 bridey bridey oh i see bridley why did they name you 30:27 that made me after my grandmother bridgette and i'm bridie 30:33 i see what are the names of any of your neighbors hmm don't have any neighbors 30:40 we live outside the village ah i see where does your father work 30:48 he's a barrister downtown in the village 30:53 a barrister what town in cork he's a smart man 31:02 all right now try to see yourself a little older can you see yourself when you're about 15 years old can you do that 31:09 mm-hmm do you have a job are you working any 31:14 place [Music] no you mean you stay at home 31:20 no i i go to miss strange day school and i stay away 31:27 from home all week what are you studying 31:34 to be a lady just house things and proper things 31:41 well do they teach you how to read at this day school that you go to do they teach you how to read 31:47 were they they read to us and [Music] our mother's supposed to teach us a lot 31:54 of it [Music] we learned to read 31:59 you had to read a little there [Music] 32:06 yes a little well now tell me can you uh can you sing can you sing 32:14 well is there some song some short easy song that you'd like to sing just some gay little song that you 32:19 remember 32:26 father [Music] 32:38 a dancing doll swing around and sing 32:46 around others girls 32:58 [Music] 33:03 that's very charming have you seen what it looks like in black and white look maury aren't you getting a little 33:09 too wrapped up in all this oh honey of course not i just want to get it all transcribed on file so i can find my way about it when 33:15 i start verifying the facts you know sometimes you act as if you're married to bridey murphy instead of me 33:20 oh hazel that's crazy you spend more time other than you do with me no i don't 33:26 you're sure you're not falling in love with him mori oh for pete's sake honey don't tell me 33:31 you're getting jealous of a dame who died 100 years ago yes when you act as though she was still alive and living on the next street 33:40 darling if columbus had listened to his crew we'd have turned his ship around 10 days out of lisbon and america would never have been discovered 33:47 nor would bridey murphy maybe that wouldn't be such a bad idea either i suppose you'd like me to quit 33:53 now forget it ever happened so would rex deering has to admit it's not doing ruth any actual harm 34:00 well we don't have any children maybe that's why we don't see things exactly the way he does 34:06 hazel are you jealous of ruth or bridy or both of them 34:12 i just can't quite see myself as head wife of a hypnotized harem that's 34:18 all baby in that incarnation you were belfast and i was cook mr bernstein 34:25 all right now rest and relax rest and relax i want you to think about your birthday 34:31 now what was the date of your birthday the month and day of your birthday 34:38 was in the holidays do you remember the month it was the 12th month what about the day 34:45 it was the 20th day the 20th day of the 12th month 34:51 i got up for fitting what was the fitting for why was there a fitting were my three new slips i had to have 34:58 the one done for genevieve's tea and cakes and my mother said we'll just make three while we've got 35:04 you on the board a little girl likes pretty things 35:11 all right what else my mother spent the whole morning making 35:17 me three pretty slips with sashes 35:22 and i had white slippers they were sent to me and i wore my white slip with a green 35:29 sash and my new shoes and i went to mrs strange for genevieve's tea and cakes 35:37 and she said you're a very pretty little girl 35:43 she was with her hand out for what i brought her to did anything else happen that day no 35:51 that was a lovely day the party the tea and cakes and the three new 35:59 slips now try to see yourself a little older 36:06 just move along until you come across something you would like to tell me about 36:11 we were to have special guests huh what were their names 36:17 mccarthy how do you spell that name m a c c-a-r-t-h-y 36:28 how many mccarthy's were coming to visit you [Music] a young man and his father 36:37 the young man's last name was mccarthy what was his first name 36:44 started with a b what was his father's name his father's name was john john mccarthy 36:51 and his son what was his name his name was brian 36:58 and what was special about their visit why i married you you married ho brian 37:06 did you like brian the first time you met him no how old was brian 37:15 he was 19. he was two years older than you but you didn't like him the first time 37:21 you met him he was all right he wasn't anything why 37:26 did you get engaged to her [Music] he came to work for his father in the 37:31 summer and i went with him and it was just taken for granted i guess 37:39 well did you like anyone else before you met brian no well what did brian do was a 37:50 barrister too where did he work oh he he worked at belfast and 37:57 he taught at queen's university and he helped his father we he didn't 38:03 actually work in his father's office but he he his father would tell him of people 38:09 in that part of the country that he that he could help with and or 38:15 i don't know too much about it you know he he didn't care to tell me 38:21 but he just would write to his father and he would pay him a small amount but 38:28 he worked hard deal 38:35 what was the name of brian's mother i i don't know i'd i'd have to look at 38:42 the bible you see he had a brother he he he was a still child and his mother died 38:49 he went then to live with his grandmother well was this still child born before or after brian laughter 38:57 brian wouldn't have been born if his mother had died all right brown would have been the older all right 39:03 here's a question i want you to think about when you were in that lifetime as brady murphy 39:09 did you have any particular talent could you uh play the piano did you like to go 39:14 dancing why i like to go dancing 39:20 well can you think of an occasion when you were dancing and tell us what kind of a dance it was 39:29 you dance when you get married it's just an irish jig thing 39:44 they put money in your pockets it's a party and everybody gives their money that way you 39:52 have a gift you see is there any particular dance that you like best what i like the morning jig 39:59 is that what you call it the morning jig yes can you remember the steps yes all right 40:06 i want you to go through the morning jig in your mind you don't have to do anything now just relax comfortably now and 40:13 go through the morning jig after you awaken tonight you'll be asked to dance it and you'll be able to dance it very 40:18 easily now see yourself getting a little older see yourself getting a little older 40:27 can you see yourself can you see yourself at the time of your marriage can you see yourself at the time of your 40:32 marriage what year was that hmm let's see 40:38 i i was 16 and 18 and 14. 18 40:46 18 and eight well how old were you and we can figure it out for you how old were you when you got married i was 20 when i got married i figured it out for 40:52 myself oh i see then it was 18. all right all right now are you in a 40:58 church no i'm not not in a church no i couldn't be married in the church 41:05 why not because i just couldn't father john said you can if you come over to the church but 41:11 i didn't want to go over to the church oh you mean you weren't a catholic no what were you i was a protestant 41:18 we always say the prayers from the bible just at our house well can you say any of those prayers now say any one prayer now 41:26 i can say the prayer we say before our meal bless this house and all the weather 41:34 keep it gay and springy heather bless the children bless the food keep us happy bright and 41:41 good that's before we eat where's charlie 41:47 all right tell me is the is the marriage a happy one 41:52 yes does brian always provide well for you yes he's a good man have you any 41:58 children no no children who married you 42:04 father john what was father john's last name hmm well did you ever see it printed did 42:12 you ever see it written oh i saw it on the papers ah oh i saw 42:17 g a g o r a g o r m a n 42:24 gorman father john gorman is that what it was you know what kind of a priest he was he was a priest at saint teresa's 42:31 church where was saint teresa's it was on the main way what's the name of the main way oh it it was off dooley road what town 42:39 is it in belfast oh you live in belfast now 42:45 can you remember your address in belfast [Music] what about your address in cork can you 42:51 remember that address oh that was the meadows what else just the meadows 42:58 all right now when you lived in belfast did you do your own cooking 43:04 and who would do it if i didn't you didn't have a maid no i see well what was your favorite 43:12 dish i like platters or flats of potato cakes 43:18 but i certainly had my phillip potato cakes what was brian's favorite dish 43:24 he liked boiled beef and onions that was his favorite boiled beef and onions i'd cook it all 43:30 day well was there any particular irish dish that he liked that's irish boiled beef and onions is a 43:38 good irish dish i know where did you buy your foodstuffs they bought it 43:45 brian bought it at the green grocers what was the green grocer's name 43:51 john i'll [Music] 44:03 i'm not much of spelling i know but we can get this c a r you said c-a-r-r-i-a-n just 44:10 carrion o'carragan maybe that's not the way you spell it but that's his name [Music] 44:19 you see we had an arrangement where brian well he he helped them with things and 44:27 it wasn't the same for anything he bought that's why he did the shopping there 44:32 were places there where he had to do the shopping because he had an arrangement with the proprietors 44:39 all right how were the streets lighted how were the streets lighted there in 44:44 belfast [Music] oh dear i don't know 44:50 they were just that's not for a woman to know 44:56 they were just poles with lights on them they were burning some way i don't know 45:01 uh i'll have to ask ask who 45:09 what's up 45:19 it's about enough maury i want you to clear your mind completely because in a few minutes we're coming back to the 45:24 present time and place you'll feel better than before we started the session after you awaken 45:29 when you're asked you'll be able to do the morning jig it'll be very easy you'll be surprised that you remember it in detail 45:35 all right you're back at the present time and place you're perfectly comfortable you feel very very pleasant a soothing 45:42 comfortable sensation i'm going to count to five and when i 45:47 reach the count of five you'll awaken and feel fine one two 45:55 three four 46:12 fire how do you feel honey wonderful you sure you're not too tired no exhaustion of 46:18 any kind no really i feel great hurry up and play back what i said you promised i could hear the whole thing tonight 46:25 don't you have a feeling you would like to dance a jig for us first do what oh maury rex and i haven't gone 46:31 dancing for years oh just to humor me ruth stand over here or maybe you'll suddenly get the urge to do some kind of little dance 46:38 dory i don't know any little dances just trust your instinct and let yourself go 46:50 i feel real silly 46:58 [Music] 47:08 uh [Music] 47:15 what's this business with your hand on your mouth oh that's for the yawns what that's why it's called a morning 47:20 jig because of the yawn is that right ruth is that what the under the end means 47:26 what y'all and the on at the end of what i told you i didn't know how to do your own jig let me hear my own playbacks or else 47:33 you bet they were just poles with lights on them they were burning some way i 47:40 don't know i'll have to ask that's cool 47:48 are you cold brian says i'm getting a chill 47:54 how about that ruth how about that eh 48:02 i couldn't have said all that 48:08 i'm sorry murray that's it that's as far as we go i don't care what you're trying 48:18 to seen the noon edition murray oh there's 48:25 a write-up about you and ruth simmons proving life after death by hypnotizing each other or some such idiotic claptrap for pete's 48:32 sake let me see it any more of that kind of publicity and 48:37 you're going to drive away every big account we ever had no i'm not i'm not going to end up in a padded cell either i admit it's rotten publicity 48:45 i'll have to get him to print a retraction before rex blows his top i suppose it doesn't bother you if i blow my top 48:51 oh i think you've gone crazy i'm serious 48:58 hello mori i've just read the ribbing they gave you in the noon edition 49:03 don't let it get you down look i'm here with three friends of mine one's a newspaper man one's a publisher 49:10 the other's a professor of philosophy they're willing to give your bride a serious hearing 49:16 would you mind playing the tapes for them well i'll be very glad to sir i'll have to ask that's cool 49:27 are you cold ryan says i'm getting a chill uh that's all there is i'm completely 49:34 fascinated then you don't think that maury and ruth just faked this whole thing for a gay if they did mrs simmons ought to be 49:40 starring on broadway she's certainly fooled me i'm glad you feel that way professor i'd like to watch one of those sessions 49:46 would that be possible no i'm afraid not rex simmers put his foot down do you consider it important to go on 49:51 what we've done is just the beginning it i've never worked with a more responsive subject i i doubt that i ever will 49:59 professor couldn't you use a little tactful persuasion on rex but what if it falls on deaf ears no it 50:05 won't not coming from you oh very well then i'll invite them to lunch for these three gentlemen and we'll see where we 50:10 go from there oh thank you sir [Music] 50:17 thank you sir your husband led us to believe we've heard the last of poor bratty murphy is that so mrs simmons well he doesn't 50:24 quite see what's to be gained by going on with it he's the boss what a pity why 50:30 what would justify another session professor find out whose subconscious mind she's 50:35 coming from mrs simmons or mr bernstein's wouldn't you say so grandma yes that's a good question i pass 50:43 wouldn't it be to satisfy ourselves she isn't coming from any one subconscious yes but if it isn't ruth's subconscious 50:50 mind or maurice where else could she be coming from from beyond the grave or from outer space or from professor 50:57 einstein's theory of time in other words you're allowing for the possibility that it really is bridey 51:02 murphy's spirit that mr bernstein invokes now you put your foot in it 51:08 reincarnation is regarded by the church as an invention of the devil isn't it father bernard 51:13 no more is a an emotional escapism for the spiritually insecure 51:21 father bernard if i were a buddhist would you classify me as spiritually or emotionally insecure or would you 51:27 respect my right to believe in reincarnation i'd respect it with pleasure provided you respected my right to 51:32 reject reincarnation as contrary to divine law you're a lot more tolerant than i took you for 51:38 it never occurred to you mr cranmer that any sincere faith manifested strength by its tolerance of other faiths except 51:46 that mr cranmer doesn't happen to be a buddhist he's a christian at least i hope he is i 51:51 hope so too unless that means that i'm doomed to eternal retribution for my misspent life 51:56 i think it's time you reread your new testament your misspent life has already been paid for 52:02 by the suffering on the cross father as a matter of fact you know i do believe that along with reincarnation i presume 52:09 you're determined that there's just no such thing aren't you well if there is i'm in the wrong calling it's in direct contradiction to 52:15 the teachings of all the churches reverend do all the churches frown on hypnotism too 52:21 well not when it's used in the cause of medicine and uh scientific progress the churches only 52:27 oppose the irresponsible use of it when the proper precautions haven't been taken against its dangers in short when it's practiced by 52:33 unqualified amateurs like mr bernstein i have no more desire to push my beliefs down mr bernstein's throat than he has 52:39 to push his down mind except you'd like to outlaw all experiments in age regression by hypnosis 52:45 well that wouldn't be because i happen to be a priest mr catholic but only because the the subconscious mind is still an 52:51 undiscovered continent for the most part i feel it's wiser to leave the experts to explore it in their own way in their 52:57 own time that's exactly the way i've been trying to say it well speaking is a neutral has mr bernstein 53:04 started something so diabolical that he must stand condemned for it without any further evidence on 53:09 the sunny i must say i was only scared when they first played back that voice and 53:14 i realized i'd done the talking now i'm just as curious as mori to know how she got there 53:21 what about it rex can't maury have another session just so that everybody here can listen and judge for themselves that seems fair 53:28 mr simmons certainly does it's entirely up to you honey 53:34 thank you darling 53:39 is there any particular question you'd like me to ask her ask her if she remembers how she died 53:46 [Music] all right now rest and relax rest and relax 53:52 now you're looking at yourself when you were in that lifetime as bridley murphy try and tell me tell me as an observer 53:59 so i won't disturb you try and remember how you died [Music] 54:06 fell down down on the stairs 54:13 seems i i broke some bones in my hip 54:18 i was such a burden had to be carried about how old were you 54:25 66. [Music] 54:32 did brian take good care of you yes he was tired all the time though 54:40 in what city were you living when you died in belfast can you remember the day you died 54:49 it was a sunday 54:54 how much do you remember about it a lady came to stay with me so brian 55:01 could go to church [Music] he didn't think that i was going to go 55:06 that fast [Music] 55:15 he was terribly upset when he came home found out that i was dead you mean you 55:22 can remember what happened after you died after you died could you watch them bury 55:29 you could you watch them bury your body oh yes i watched them ditch my body what do you 55:36 mean ditched your body put it in the ground oh good 55:42 [Music] did you try to tell anyone you were watching them no i 55:48 i was tired they ditched your body where 55:54 [Music] i wasn't allowed in the hallowed ground 56:00 oh you you went on hallowed ground but you did realize that you hadn't died 56:05 when your body died i always wanted to tell brian 56:11 he was so worried that he didn't say enough prayers to church or nothing something all the 56:19 [Music] 56:25 [Music] time 56:31 did they have a wake for you no i i told brian i didn't want anyone to be 56:39 unhappy or mourn for me i see it was such a burden 56:45 i was happy just to go to sleep can you tell us where you went after that 56:52 i stayed in the house with brian did you try and tell brian you were 56:57 there he won't listen do you think if he really tried he could have heard you 57:04 i don't know i i think so you're not sure i i just wanted him too 57:12 so bad could you tell what he was thinking about if i thought about it i could know what 57:18 he was thinking i i knew when he needed me 57:24 he missed me after father john didn't come to the house anymore he was lonely 58:01 all right now rest and relax rest and relax 58:06 now you told us that you went from your house in belfast back to cork after you were dead 58:11 how did you get from belfast to car 58:17 i i just wheeled myself there you did what 58:24 wild myself there how long did it take you 58:29 i don't know it it wasn't any time why did you go back to cork 58:40 we went back to see my brother duncan he was still alive he was so old 58:50 did you ever let duncan know that you were there no he wouldn't listen either 59:07 well in this in this afterworld did you have any feelings or or emotions you were just satisfied 59:16 was it better than your life on earth no it it wasn't full enough you couldn't do 59:23 any other things couldn't accomplish anything were you ever unhappy 59:29 no it's there's nothing to be afraid of well in this after world did you have 59:35 all your senses for instance could you touch things no you couldn't touch things oh you 59:42 could see you could see and you could you could see but you couldn't touch 59:47 you could hear you could hear all right i see well in this afterworld were there such 59:53 things as sickness or death oh there was no death you just pass 1:00:00 from one existence to another was there any old age there were old 1:00:06 people i was old i i was 66. you get any older no did you have to 1:00:15 obey any regulations or laws of any kind no no laws or regulations 1:00:20 no nobody guided you nobody gave you any instructions no you just went where you will to go 1:00:26 you just did what you will to do yes well did you ever did you ever eat 1:00:32 anything no never eat never sleep never get tired 1:00:38 there how did you spend all your time just watching did it seem like a long 1:00:45 time or did time mean anything [Music] doesn't mean anything you didn't pay any 1:00:52 attention to the time night or no day did you ever have any 1:00:59 pain no no no pain 1:01:04 i see but were there any such things as love or hate 1:01:11 love those you left behind well in this afterworld did you have any 1:01:17 attachments of any kind any family attachments or relatives oh we just my mother 1:01:25 i didn't see my mother my father said he saw her but i didn't you 1:01:31 didn't see your mother no but your father told you that he did yes 1:01:36 how did you speak to each other just like we always did did duncan join you after he died no i 1:01:45 i didn't see everybody i knew there were lots of people there i didn't know 1:01:51 who did you see that you knew why i saw my little brother that died 1:01:58 could he talk to you yes he said he just remembered some things 1:02:05 about me but he didn't remember my mother or or the 1:02:11 house he you remembered some things about duncan but 1:02:18 you couldn't talk to people very long they they'd go away but could any of the people in that 1:02:25 after world speak to any of the people who were still on earth no 1:02:30 i never saw it happen hmm tried lots of people tried to talk to people 1:02:37 but they wouldn't listen well while you were in that after world could you tell the future for the people on earth 1:02:43 could you look at the people on earth and and see what was going to happen to them yes you could yes you could see the 1:02:49 future yes what makes you say that give us an example 1:02:58 i saw war man there said there was going to be a 1:03:04 war that was before i was born 1:03:10 you knew what was going to happen if you were there i see you all right it 1:03:17 didn't concern us it didn't concern you 1:03:22 can you tell me how you finally left that world 1:03:30 i left and i was born in america again 1:03:38 i was born in iowa do you remember how you were born again 1:03:44 you remember how it was possible for you to be born again i don't know it 1:03:51 it just happens and you just don't remember 1:03:59 you remember some things and then all of a sudden i remember just being a 1:04:06 baby again mommy 1:04:13 honey what are you doing downstairs this time tonight huh what's mommy doing she's asleep honey just like you ought 1:04:19 to be now come on i'll take you back up to bed i want mommy to take me she can't sweetie she's fast asleep 1:04:25 not come on all right i want you to clear your mind 1:04:30 completely because you're coming back to the present time and place i go back in the present time and place 1:04:37 you feel a comfortable soothing sensation i'll count to five and when i reach the count of five you'll awaken and you'll 1:04:43 feel fine one two three 1:04:49 four five 1:05:06 can i get you something ruth cup of coffee oh coffee will be fine i'll fix it right away wait did you hear 1:05:12 this cory thanks 1:05:18 no thank you what do you make of it i wouldn't be surprised if they turn out to be meddling with an energy violent 1:05:25 enough to blow them right through the next world and into the one after that you really feel that way about it why don't you warn them against it have you 1:05:31 been in the driver's seat tonight would you let anyone else talk you out of pushing on further 1:05:36 if you were in his shoes what would you do grandma i'd quit right now kellett while i was still ahead if i wonder publisher on the track of a good seller 1:05:42 hmm you think there's a book in this maybe you lose your shirt hello rex i've 1:05:47 been calling you all over town listen i've got an offer from a publisher to do a book on brady murphy 1:05:52 i tell you maury i i think it's great that it's being taken seriously enough for a book but quite excuse me butch please sunken 1:06:00 son would you please ruth would you come and get your son look it's only going to be a kind of professional textbook it 1:06:06 probably won't sell more than 100 copies if that the public will never even know it's been written yeah well 1:06:12 i'll i'll talk to deering see how he feels about it huh why daring well we're not sure yet but i 1:06:18 think there might be another baby on the way g-rex congratulations 1:06:28 you know i feel very sympathetic towards hazel why has marty started beating her no 1:06:36 it's this fixation he's got about bridey i want to ask you something how many people are going to be charitable enough 1:06:42 to think that maury's interest in you is all on account of one of your past lives oh rex that's silly that's the last 1:06:49 thing to bother hazel in a thousand years okay she's more understanding than i am 1:06:55 but when he comes to you and wants to put you in this book he's talking about i'd like you to say no that's what i want you to say no how can 1:07:02 i i don't even know what kind of book it's going to be what kind of a book can it be except one that makes a screwball out of more and knuckleheads out of the rest 1:07:09 of us why as long as he just puts down everything that happened 1:07:14 who's ever gonna believe it ever happened that way 1:07:19 do you want me never to let him hypnotize me again go ahead if you're as nutty about it as he is 1:07:33 but the book was heading for trouble in other quarters as well by the time i was able to get to new york again cranmer had heard from 1:07:40 ireland in answer to the first feelings he put out i still think there's a book in it maury 1:07:46 but it's not going to be as easy as it seemed at first now here are the first three replies to the feelers that we send out the one on 1:07:52 top from london apparently the records for that period 1:07:59 are extremely rare ordinarily no register of births marriages or deaths were kept before 1:08:05 1864. that's a lot of help so the only person who can tell us where to go and look for cast iron proof 1:08:11 is brady murching herself well maybe it's me maybe i'm not asking the right questions i'm no expert at it 1:08:16 no then this is to bear in mind that perhaps in her lifetime a person like bradley murphy 1:08:22 might have tended to brighten a humdrum life by pretending that she and her husband where somebody you know instead of nobody but that's so 1:08:30 it's only natural to assume that she's going to pretend with you too and brian well perhaps he wasn't 1:08:35 anything nearly as fine sounding as a barrister what was he then a dog catcher 1:08:41 no he could have been embarrassed as coachman or perhaps his confidential messenger and it wouldn't surprise me maury if her 1:08:48 father didn't turn out to be well just a little less grand than she'd like you to think he was 1:08:53 in short brady murphy's a liar and i'm a sucker huh don't take everything so personally a few innocent white lies now and then 1:08:59 are every woman's privilege but maury question her on one or two specific points and then try to catch her up you mean 1:09:05 grilla till she comes clean lord no she's such a timid little thing she'd probably die of fright 1:09:12 but try to get some facts that we can verify without upsetting her confidence in you i feel like a heel already well don't 1:09:19 let that stop you from getting the facts unless of course you want a book that's going to bring every witch hunter in the 1:09:24 48 states down on your neck okay okay okay 1:09:32 this time we're gonna try and get definite proof that you lived in ireland at that time where can we find some records that 1:09:37 would prove you lived in ireland at that time did you ever write anyone any letters 1:09:43 did you ever get any letters from anyone i got some letters from home did you 1:09:49 save any of those letters oh i did i saved them well did you have any favorite hiding places where you 1:09:55 would hide or your own personal possessions uh maybe some money or those letters or anything else did you 1:10:02 have any favorite hiding place 1:10:07 why do you want to know well we're just trying to find out where 1:10:13 we could find some written evidence some records that would prove you lived in ireland at that time 1:10:21 i had them in the hut the heart in the house any particular place i had them in there 1:10:29 oh you know where the well there's a little pewter dish in it it's a funny 1:10:36 brown color and it it's on the second shelf the second shelf of what 1:10:42 who are you i'm your friend i'm your friend 1:10:50 oh yes we've traveled before travel before well that's good 1:10:58 now you told us that you like to go dancing can you give us the name of any one place where you went dancing 1:11:04 um mrs strange hall was that the place you told us about 1:11:09 before where you went to school she had a hall i didn't go to school in 1:11:14 the hall i see all right now clear your mind clear your 1:11:19 mind completely let's go up to the time of your death you told us that you attended your own 1:11:25 funeral that you watched them bury you is that right but if you remember that you must remember what year it was perhaps had it 1:11:31 marked on the grave or on the tombstone or wherever they marked it now what year was that 1:11:37 are you looking at the tombstone now well read the whole thing what does the whole thing say 1:11:42 read the whole thing besides the numbers bridget kathleen 1:11:49 m mccarthy what does the m stand for murphy for murphy all right what else is on the 1:11:54 tombstone are there any numbers on the tombstone 1:12:01 one seven and uh i think it's a nine and an eight 1:12:09 and there's a line a lot all right and uh a one again one again 1:12:17 and an eight and um uh let's see six 1:12:25 and uh ryan says they didn't make it very plain no brian said they didn't do it very 1:12:32 plain well he was upset about it he was it's a four though 1864. did they make 1:12:38 out a death certificate did they make out any kind of a death certificate or publish anything in the newspapers 1:12:44 why don't you ask father john where else could we find some records was there a marriage certificate boy 1:12:52 i believe there was oh sure the they had to publish the bans father john 1:12:57 had the bands published oh the church would have some records i'm sure they would well what kind of work you have to give a tithing tithing 1:13:03 i oh he had to be obligated i i had to sign the record i wanted not to 1:13:09 do it but brian was very certain that we must and do you know that when we got married 1:13:14 they had to put it on the church board put it on the church board there they would have all about us 1:13:21 where we were from how much how much money we had and oh everything everybody in the family 1:13:28 that ever got hung now where did you get married did you get married in cork or in belfast 1:13:34 in cork your short was cork i got married so that my folks could see 1:13:40 me they weren't happy about it you know and i mean they 1:13:45 they felt they were losing me my father was very upset about it 1:13:50 that's why i didn't tell him i got married again in belfast too oh i see you first got married in cork then you 1:13:56 were married again in belfast i didn't get married in the church though i just did it to make brian happy 1:14:05 don't you repeat that no no you repeat things no i don't yes you do i won't repeat 1:14:10 that anyway when you finally got married in the church did you become a catholic 1:14:16 no i i told you i didn't i i didn't accept it i 1:14:22 i didn't get married in the church i got married in father john's room father john's room he did it as a favor 1:14:29 i see it was just for the church record and for the children we didn't have 1:14:37 i understand i didn't condemn him what did you say i didn't condemn brian 1:14:45 so he was brought up and he didn't condemn me i see i i promised if we had any 1:14:52 children they they'd be brought up the way he wanted i see 1:14:58 all right rest and relax we're trying to find things that'll prove who you are 1:15:04 now one thing about your father uh what did you say his name was my father yes duncan are you sure that 1:15:12 duncan duncan murphy was a barrister that's what he told my mother and me you 1:15:17 think he was a barrister yes did he do any other kind of work 1:15:25 he he did some cropping some what cropping what's that cropping to grow 1:15:32 things i see and your brother duncan was he a cropper like his father 1:15:40 yes he was he he was supposed to be that that's the 1:15:47 way it went was brian really a barrister 1:15:57 brian says i have a terrible chill relax relax completely you'll be very 1:16:04 comfortable now you feel very comfortable do you feel comfortable now that's good because after you're awake 1:16:09 and you feel even more comfortable you'll feel fine after you're awake and you'll feel fine now let's try and go right on back past 1:16:16 the time you were a little girl in ireland back back even beyond that just rest and 1:16:22 relax and some scene will come into your mind you may not look the same but you know 1:16:27 it'll be you and you'll be able to tell me about it just relax and think for a few moments and i'll talk to you again in a little 1:16:34 [Music] 1:16:46 while 1:16:52 [Music] 1:17:04 there is some scene that you remember tell me about it 1:17:19 just a little baby dying who is that where are you do you have 1:17:26 any idea in the house 1:17:32 we had sickness what country do you know 1:17:37 america what state do you live in amsterdam you know what your name is do you know how old you are just a 1:17:43 little baby what is your mother's name what is your father's name what is the last name do you know what 1:17:51 year it is but you know you're in america how do you know just know and did you die yes how did 1:17:57 you die i'm sick sick with what 1:18:04 my arm hurts why is your arm hurt my leg get hurt oh no it hurt you then 1:18:11 but it doesn't hurt you know maury get her away from what she's seen all right we're gonna forget about the 1:18:16 life in new amsterdam we're gonna forget about the life in new amsterdam now clear your mind clear your mind forget all about that 1:18:23 we're coming back to the present time and place we're coming back to the present time and place 1:18:28 coming back to the present time 1:18:40 [Music] 1:18:53 relax relax i need a linen she must mean a handkerchief yes we're 1:18:59 getting you a linen here close your eyes relax close your eyes 1:19:04 relax close your eyes go back to sleep in a few minutes i'll awaken you 1:19:10 all right relax now close your eyes relax close your eyes relax close your eyes all right 1:19:17 we're coming back to the present time coming back to the present time 1:19:22 coming back to the present time i'm gonna count to five and when i reach the count of five 1:19:27 you'll awaken and you'll be back in the present time and place hear me all right 1:19:34 one two three four 1:19:42 five can you hear me 1:19:47 all right now do you know where you are 1:19:55 in cork mrs ruth simmons you're coming back to the present time and you're mrs ruth simmons do you hear me 1:20:04 brian says i have a chill get her back as fast as you can breaks the window did you hear me i'll 1:20:11 never have that chill again that chill will never bother you again i'm going to count to five and when i do you'll awaken at the count of five over 1:20:17 mrs ruth simmons you'll be back in the present time and place do you hear me ruth can you hear me can 1:20:22 you understand what i'm saying all right one 1:20:31 [Music] 1:20:38 ruth how do you feel it are you awake 1:20:46 ryan says i have a terrible chill you're gonna forget about brian you're gonna forget about brian 1:20:52 ruth do you hear me 1:21:03 [Music] 1:21:16 say anything but keep talking you're gonna forget that song you're no longer brady murphy mrs ruth 1:21:22 simmons you're back in the present time and place ruth i want you to close your eyes and rest and relax for a few minutes because 1:21:27 during this few minutes you will get wonderful relaxation even more relaxation than during a normal sleep i will stop talking 1:21:33 and in a few moments you will get very deep relaxation so that after you awaken you feel especially fine 1:21:38 i will talk to you again in a few moments 1:21:44 by the time i reach the count of five you'll awaken and be mrs ruth simmons 1:21:49 do you hear me do you hear me 1:21:56 awaken and your mrs ruth simmons you will awaken on your mrs ruth simmons 1:22:03 one two [Music] 1:22:08 three four [Music] 1:22:22 five 1:22:28 [Music] 1:22:36 so 1:22:50 so [Music] 1:23:04 um hey maury go on drink it down 1:23:12 if i were roots doctor i'd refuse to be held responsible for her health if she went on with these sessions 1:23:18 why because i'm going to have another baby well that's pretty good reason in itself but after what's happened tonight i'm 1:23:25 satisfied that this whole thing has gotten out of control he's quite right maury 1:23:33 i'm sorry maury i'm the one who should be apologizing to you 1:23:41 well here's to bridie murphy wherever she is may she have served her purpose whatever 1:23:47 it turns out to be i think it's important to remind you that we're not trying to claim we proved anything 1:23:52 except perhaps that hypnotism is a powerful force that can't be kidded around with as though it were a harmless little 1:23:57 parlor game if the attention bridey aroused is a sign that hypnotism 1:24:03 is at last coming into its own as a healer of the fear-ridden and the sick the world could do worse than meet it 1:24:09 halfway thank you for being with us and goodbye 1:24:17 [Music] 1:24:23 [Applause] [Music] you 63866