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- Ever since I was a little kid,

I've been obsessed with the idea

of extraterrestrial life in outer space.

It's like it was born in me.

- To me, it's not about belief at all.

It's about the truth and it's about being open to

all the different hypotheses,

all of the different data and just trying to learn

as much as we can.

- I've always been interested in UFOs.

It's just sort of been a lifelong obsession.

- When I became a MUFON field investigator

and I started investigating the phenomena for myself,

it was like a fish to water.

It was what I was meant to do,

what I was born to do.

I view it as a mystery.

I think it's ridiculous to think that

there's not other life out there.

I like investigating things.

It's just in my nature.

So if this is all coming out soon,

you can't even talk about this.

You know the old saying I want to believe.

That's me.

- Here we are with Jeff Krauss

outside of the MUFON headquarters here

in Newport beach. - We made it.

- We made it.

- In one piece. - Two pieces.

- One, two.

I think that MUFON's creed says it all.

The scientific investigation of UFOs

for the benefit of humanity.

- Well, it's the mutual UFO network.

They take in reports of sightings and experiences

and put it all together and sort of research

the entire subject.

- MUFON started out as a midwestern UFO network.

1969, when project blue book,

the air force's official investigation into UFOs closed,

that's when MUFON became the mutual UFO network

and we've been doing the air forces job ever since.

It's a private group.

We're all volunteers.

I've got a little team of eight people that work,

ya know, under me at MUFON.

- Specifically, I'm interested in astrobiology,

which is the search for life on other planets.

Now, interestingly enough, most people

who are in the field of astrobiology

would not necessarily be interviewed

on a UFO documentary.

- Mostly, we do this out of love for the phenomenon

and just a quest for understanding this phenomenon.

The way I will do a UFO investigation,

if it's through MUFON, I'll have a report come in.

People will, ya know, if you see a UFO,

you don't wanna call the air force or the police

or ya know,

I mean, you could but usually, they'll shuffle that

under the doormat.

But if you go to MUFON. Com,

it'll say report a UFO.

Ya click on that and it'll ask you questions.

What area of the sky you saw it in,

what time of day or evening it was,

they'll wanna know where you were at,

ya know, what your city was.

I'll first sent the witness an email

and tell them who I am and that I'm responding

to their MUFON report and find out a good time

when we can talk on the phone

and schedule an interview with them.

- Part of it is a bit of a hunger.

Okay, I gotta figure out what this is.

I'm gonna do my best to research and find it out.

I'm gonna go through newspaper reports.

I'm gonna search the Internet for sighting reports

from other organizations or from ya know,

even social media, anything like that.

I'm gonna do everything I can.

I'm gonna look at local flight paths.

I'm gonna look at everything I possibly can find

to try to determine what it might've been.

- If more people see the same thing,

then that's good too especially because you have more

perspectives to go off of.

And you can find it which details match

in every account.

- When I start to get that going

where I'm not sure what it is yet,

so that sort of feeds itself.

The more exciting it is, the more work I have to do.

Then there comes that moment when

I can't say and I sit on it for a while.

It bothers me.

It eats away at me 'cause I don't want to

close that report.

I don't wanna tell that witness

and I don't wanna tell the other people in the organization

for sure that's an unknown.

I sit on it and I worry on it for a while.

And I think, I'm like I'll leave it and I'll come back

to it the next day.

I'm like no, I gotta know what this is.

I gotta say what it is or what it's not.

And that gets even more exciting

but it's also nerve racking.

- Okay, if somebody has just a UFO sighting,

just, right?

I mean, it's always a huge thing

when you see a UFO.

It depends on how distant it is.

If it's something that was really in the distance,

then it's just like a visual thing

and ya know, it's like if you saw anything else

in the distance, but sometimes, when somebody sees

a UFO in the distance, a weird thing happens.

It seems like this telepathic connection happens.

Suddenly, the UFO is right on them.

- And usually, the last thing I do is

before I close the case, I contact the state director

and our chief state investigator and I say hey guys,

I think I might have something here.

Will you look at what I've got?

Look at my notes, look at my report,

and tell me what you think?

- In my mind, the holy grail of UFO investigation

would be if you could actually get some kind of

a material fragment from the UFO, an artifact.

That's assuming that they are physical objects

but let's say that they are for a second.

If you could get an actual piece of one,

that would be a game changer

because then you could take it to a lab.

You could look at its isotope ratios.

You can look at what elements it's made out of

and ya know, you could see if it matches what we know

could come from the earth.

And that would tell you something pretty substantial

about where these things are actually from

or what their origin is.

- It's fun, it's exciting.

A lot of the basic day to day investigations

can easily be done by remote.

Phone, video chat, email, that kinda thing.

Depends on the type of report it is.

Your basic day to day hey, I saw something weird,

I can do that over the phone when I conduct an interview

and I can go through the investigation that way.

I'll research the locations,

go through, look at the air traffic in the area,

check news reports, everything that corresponds

on the date of the sighting

just so I can get an idea of what that person did

or did not see or what may or may not have happened.

As the type of sightings level up,

those would merit an in person investigation.

Say to investigate an actual landing sight

or a face to face interview with somebody

who's actually had a face to face experience

with something else.

All the way up to MUFON has a division

that does underwater research with trained scuba divers.

They have a 24 hour response team.

So, ya know, if there's another Roswell incident,

we can have people out there within 24 hours on the ground.

I think the public would be surprised

to find out there's quite a few scientists,

ex military, police officers,

a lot of very highly credentialed people

involved in MUFON but there's also housewives.

Just anybody who's interested who wants to help.

- I think it helps.

If you're a pure skeptic, that's not good.

If you're like everybody is space brothers

and everything's a UFO, that's not good either.

Ya know, you have to be able to look at stuff

and try to be skeptical and try to figure out

what prosaic thing that object might be

or what the person saw and what it might've been

that's other than a UFO.

It's almost like you check everything off

and you just keep on but at the end of the day,

if I can't find a scientific explanation for that ya know,

sighting, there's your UFO.

Doesn't mean that it's from an alien planet.

I mean, it might be a black project of our own

that I'm not aware of yet.

But it's still unidentified

and that is what a UFO is, an unidentified flying object.

- It's pretty easy actually.

You can go to MUFON's website

and you can read up on them and see what they're all about.

You can become a member.

There's a little membership fee and you get a newsletter

and there's different levels of membership.

After a couple years, I decided I wanted to

get more involved and I applied to be an investigator.

There's a whole training process to that.

You sign up, you do the training,

you take tests and eventually,

you get certified as a field investigator.

- But that's pretty much how we do it.

We have generally three months limit

to how long we can take on a case.

I had somebody ya know, put in a UFO report

that was a rocket launch from Vandenberg the other night.

He happened to be in a boat off Catalina island

and it looked really strange.

Ya know, the space-x launches do look strange.

Ya know, now the whole ya know, bottom stage

will go and land back on the landing platform.

So you've got all kinds of activity

and you can see that all in the sky.

I can understand why this person

thought it was a UFO.

I wrote the guy a really nice email and told him

what it was he saw.

I said if you want, you can still talk.

We can talk.

Just let me know.

Send me a email back and I'll ya know,

explain it a little better to you but, you know,

we knew about this rocket launch

and we were expecting people to report it.

- The vast majority of the people I've spoken to

are excited about it.

They wanna know, like what was it?

What did I see?

What is it?

Did anybody else see it?

They wanna know what did you think it was?

I've talked to a couple people who were just thrilled

that they even had the opportunity,

that the thing happened to them,

that they saw this or that they had this contact.

Some people do ask me directly, what was this?

Because they feel like when they speak to me,

they speak to someone from MUFON,

they think we're the experts.

We should know.

But we don't always know.

And that's kinda the point.

We don't know.

We want to know.

We're trying to gather the information

from all these different sources,

from all these reports,

so that we can say it is this or it is this.

We can't always say that.

My favorite reports are the ones

that we classify as unknowns.

An unknown is basically when you can not definitively say

what it was or was not.

You know, there's a situation where somebody saw something,

maybe they might even have photographs.

And you can within a certain percentage

of reasonable doubt say that was an airplane of some kind.

I can't tell you what kind it was.

I can't identify it, but it was a man-made vehicle

of some sort or it was a satellite or it was whatever,

a planet, a star, that's one thing.

An unknown is where you can't say for sure.

I can say I'm looking at this picture and

that could be an airplane.

That's my favorite.

Those, to me, are the most exciting ones because

it really makes you think.

You have to really do the research.

You have to talk to the people.

You have to look into all parts of it

and you really have to be sure

you can not say what it is or is not.

They're probably the more rare cases that we get

but for me, they're the most exciting ones.

They're the ones that keep me interested.

- Yeah, a lot of them could be secret craft or ya know,

atmosphere plasma phenomenon or misperceptions.

Again, most of them are.

But there are still those cases where you have something

flying in really aerodynamically bizarre ways, right?

It's suddenly stopping at some insane g-force.

It's reversing direction.

- I do my best to not,

I don't wanna burst someone's bubble.

If someone really believes hard they saw something

and they're excited about it,

I don't wanna break up that for them.

I will do my best to explain that I can't say

for sure what that is.

I can't tell you that is an alien or UFO or whatever.

I can only say what I think it might be

or what it wasn't.

- The answer is that in most cases,

you can't ever know that anything is for sure.

But what ya can do is you can at least

try to rule out any conventional explanation.

- There's times where I absolutely have to say

man, it's balloons man, I'm sorry.

There was a birthday party down the street

and those are balloons that got away.

I try and make that as easy as possible.

For me, it's not a matter of disappointment.

I'm there to just figure out to my best ability

what it is or what it is not.

- Ya know, there's a lot of different ideas out there

about what UFOs could be.

Classified technology from this country or that country,

drones, could they be just sort of people

misperceiving things, well yeah, they are most of the time.

Could they be some kind of new atmospheric phenomenon?

Could it be some kind of a plasma,

like ball of lightning or something?

Could it be extraterrestrial?

I would say something like 98% of UFO sightings

have a complete prosaic explanation

and are completely explainable as

people misperceiving things and optical illusions.

Sift out the minority of UFO reports that are interesting

from the majority that are just sort of people

seeing the international space station.

What you really have to do is go in,

look for every explanation,

and rule it out one by one.

It's really all about skepticism in a lot of ways.

If you can't debunk it, then by definition, it's a UFO.

So it's one thing that I would say a lot of people

kind of mistake.

A UFO isn't just an unidentif, or UAP,

it's not just an unidentified flying object

or unexplained aerial phenomenon.

It's something that's unidentified or unexplained

after you've done everything in your power to explain it.

Does that mean it's necessarily aliens?

- I know what I want it to be.

I want it to be contact from other planets,

from other civilizations.

That's what I really want it to be.

I think it's ridiculous to think that

there's not other life out there.

- There's this idea that they call the fermi paradox

which is like the sort of statement in astronomy

of like, where is everyone?

Where are all of the aliens

if there's so many stars out there that could

host life and so forth?

Classic argument against UFOs being alien

is it's too, stars are too far away.

It takes too much energy to get here

from another star system.

So, how are they doing that?

Why are they doing that?

How could they possibly have enough time to do that anyway

because it's just really and it is true.

Stars are really far away.

It'd take the voyager which is the furthest thing

we've ever sent out of the solar system,

something like 50,000 years

to leave the solar system.

The other side of it is that space is very big.

It's also very, very, very, very, very, very old.

So if you took the age of the universe and put it,

scaled it down to a calendar year,

all of human history happened in the last

60 seconds of January 31st.

Yes, there's the stars very far away

and it'd take a very long time.

But there has been enough time.

So, let's say an alien civilization wanted to spread out

throughout the galaxy, right?

The way they would do it is they would send out one craft

to a neighboring star system.

It would get there.

It would arrive in the equivalent of the asteroid belt

or whatever, consume some matter,

and then it would maybe 3D print out

a dot or probes and send those every which way

to different solar systems.

And keep doing that.

Now, you'd get kinda the snowball effect

where within a few million years,

you could blanket the entire galaxy with probes

and it's possible to do it in a timescale

that is much, much less than the age of the galaxy

which is somewhere around 10 billion years old.

Is it kinda crazy if they're driving their spaceship

from Zeta Reticuli every Monday

to go hover over Billy Bob's farm?

Sure it is.

But it's not ludicrous to say that their probes

could've passed through the solar system,

ya know, waves of traffic from that kind of

colonization scenario, could be in the solar system.

They could be hiding somewhere in the asteroid belt

or the Kuiper belt, the edge of the solar system, wherever,

and maybe if they are, they periodically send their probes

to observe the earth.

And that is within physics, within astronomy,

within astrobiology, a completely reasonable thing

to speculate about and it's completely possible.

- When I was five years old,

my mom did disclosure for me.

Now it wasn't a family secret.

We all knew that mom worked as one of Howard Hughes'

two private personal secretaries

but when I was five, for whatever reason,

my mom got talkative and she just told me

about what she, about a story,

about what she'd gone through.

That when she was working for Hughes,

that they took her out to this,

to the middle of nowhere, she said it was

a great American desert.

She had a little security detail with them

and there was this bunker or this shack

is the way that she put it, a shack,

and made outta concrete and kind of low slung to the ground

and it looked like nothing.

She said that she wondered why they were

taking her out to where it looked like maybe

they kept tools or ya know, machinery or something.

But they opened up the doors.

Everything's locked and secured.

There was an elevator.

So, she got into the elevator with a couple

of security guys and she thought that it was gonna

go down a couple of floors.

But it kept going down.

And she said it just kept going and it seemed to have

a bit of speed to it and she felt butterflies in her stomach

but when it finally stopped moving,

she said that the doors opened up

and there was a little city there under the desert.

She said that they had this one,

that they had little cafes and places

where you could get food and movie theaters

and bowling alley

and she talked about how it was funny,

there was this one cafe that had these yellow umbrellas

over all the little tables,

like a French cafe.

She seemed to get a kick outta the fact

that they had umbrellas in a cave.

But it is apparently to make people feel comfortable

with their surroundings.

My mom said that there were a lot of German

rocket scientists that work down there.

Now I tried, I would ask my mom

what were you guys working on down there?

She would never answer that question.

I still don't know.

I still have no idea.

In my investigations, there was one guy

who was a RAF pilot whose mom was another secretary

for Hughes and she told him the same story.

I heard this from a friend of his.

She was more detailed when she talked about the lab.

She said it was Howard Hughes' lab.

They had a little cat walk that went over everything

so you could see what they were working on down there.

It was a quite elaborate set up.

It was like something out of James Bond, but real.

- I would say that I was always really fascinated by

just the question of other life in the universe.

I grew up very into science fiction.

Basically just my young imagination kinda got captured

by this idea of other life out there in the universe

and when we find it, what would happen

if we made first contact.

- The first time I really heard her talk about it

and she would kind of say in general,

well, we're not alone.

We're not alone in the universe.

There's too many stars, too many planets,

it's impossible.

So, she didn't say that she had

learned that anywhere exotic.

There was one incident where my cousins

were out visiting and my aunt brought

a copy of look magazine and it had the Betty and Barney hill

story on the cover.

While my aunt was very skeptical about the Betty

and Barney hill case,

she was ya know, saying that well how would this happen

and how wouldn't everybody else have seen this,

ya know, a space ship coming down?

Wouldn't the air force have known about it?

Blah, blah, blah.

My mom said to her,

"from what I know, what I've learned,

"this could very well have actually happened."

We aren't alone and the government knows this.

My aunt, at that point said, "oh well, this is crazy.

"It's like a bad science fiction film."

It says that they stuck a needle into her naval.

That was the first time I heard my mom say that,

ya know, that this was a real thing,

that UFOs were real and that the phenomena,

there was something to it.

- When I was very little, I thought I was being

visited by monsters or devils or something

when I was a little kid.

The whole like frozen in place thing,

the bed lifting off the ground,

things in the room moving, weird sounds,

footsteps, things like that.

Being frozen in place and I have very specific memories of

things like the bed being lifted off the ground

and actually being tilted so to sort of

slide me off the end of the bed, that kinda thing.

Because I'd been into UFOs and things like that,

I started thinking that's what it was.

Little bit later on, jump forward into the 90s a bit.

Ya know, there's a thing called the Internet now.

I was reading on a news group about UFO abductions

'cause I was kinda feeling like that was what was

going on, I was pretty convinced at the time.

And then, I found out about a thing called sleep paralysis

where you are essentially between sleep states.

Your body is shut down

but your mind is still moving.

Your eyes are even open

giving the sensation of being frozen in place.

And almost hallucinating while you're doing it.

So a lot of people will report hearing footsteps,

seeing shadows around the room,

activity just outside of the peripheral,

just outside of your vision.

Turns out I've had it chronically my entire life,

which isn't as common and that's what I was experiencing.

That did feed directly into my interest in UFOs.

I've talked to people who have had

genuine abduction situations.

That's not what I was experiencing.

A lot of people think they're being abducted

and it turns out to be sleep paralysis.

And I think sometimes people maybe are being abducted

and everyone tells them it's sleep paralysis

when it's not.

It's kind of a gray area.

But that fit into my interest, got me deep into it

'cause I wanted to research all about it

up until I figured out what this condition was.

- So this happened back in 2017.

I was taking astronomy at the local community college.

We had been observing the moon for a really long time,

mapping craters and so forth.

So I was trying to get the telescope trained

on the Orion nebula and then,

I heard this group of people behind me,

another group on a different telescope,

freaking out about some object in the sky.

They're going like holy shit, what is that thing?

So ya know, I was like okay, ya know,

the moon and the Orion nebula are gonna be here

for a few billion more years.

I'm gonna have plenty of other chances to look at those.

This thing might not be here for another second.

I better go see what it is.

I walk over to where they're all pointing

and I'm standing there and what it was,

it was this v-shaped object.

It was gunmetal black and there were four big

circular white lights down either arm of the V.

Sort of like what was seen in the 1997

Phoenix lights incident if you know that one

and it was just drifting along really, really slowly.

One of the other witnesses said looked like it was going

something like 15 miles per hour.

Really low, really, really, really low.

It was started maybe level with the tree tops

and never got above about 1,000 feet, I would say.

It was pretty big in the night sky.

I would say it was comparable to

if you've ever seen the full moon.

It just kept on going and kept on going and kept on going

and then, after about 20ish seconds,

it kinda got to a point and so,

this is where my account diverges with the other witnesses.

I remember seeing something a little bit different

from the other people that were there.

What I distinctly remembered is

when it got to the point where it stopped,

it looked to me almost like it faded into

the rest of the sky.

The best way I could describe it is it was like the borders,

these edges of this V shaped craft were very sharp,

very distinct and it was kinda like the borders

looked to me like they were getting almost

fuzzier and fuzzier until the structure

kinda faded into the rest of the sky.

That's what I remember.

Now, the only witnesses only,

the other witnesses remember it differently.

They remember just seeing it trail off

until they couldn't see it anymore.

So they didn't see it cloaking.

What I'll say about that is that no two people

are gonna remember an event the same way.

So if I see a car crash, I'll say it was a red Honda

or something and you might say it was

a orange Lamborghini and that's an extreme example

but everyone remem...

Details of any remembered eyewitness account

are gonna differ in certain ways.

But we all agreed that it was there.

We all agreed that it happened.

There were three other people.

So I was like okay well, I saw something weird,

didn't get a video.

I'm kind of annoyed about that, ya know?

Especially as a scientific sort of person.

I like to have evidence for things.

So, I said to myself, okay, I want to investigate this.

I wanna figure out what I saw.

And I wanna see if I can get to the bottom of it.

- The way that I became a MUFON field investigator

was after my mom passed away.

I started just veraciously reading the literature out there.

Ya know, before, when my mom was alive,

there was always that chance she might give me

that golden ticket and finally, ya know,

just tell me outright everything.

There's no chance of that now.

I just kept on reading and watching shows

and finally realized ya know, I'm no better off now

than I was before.

Ya know, I don't know who to believe

and what's true and what's bogus and what.

Around 2014 or 15, hangar 1 TV show came on

which was the MUFON produced UFO show

and it was a cut above everything else

that was out there.

It was ya know, from case files,

by watching that show, I finally decided

I wanna do this.

I wanna go and investigate my own cases

and that way, I'm not reading about somebody else's

ya know, investigation they did.

I'm not questioning the veracity of these reports.

It's feet on the ground, ya know?

And it's me doing it.

But I found my state director who is Jeff Krauss

at that time and he told me, you know,

if you go to MUFON. Com,

it'll say become a MUFON field investigator.

Just click on that and it'll give you all the information.

Technically ya know, you get the field investigator's

handbook which is excellent document.

Very professional.

Based on Dr. J. Allen Hynek's work and Vallee,

Jacques Vallee's work.

And just these many ya know, 54 years now

that MUFON has been doing this.

So I studied the book and then ya take a test.

They do a background check on you and stuff

because you don't want, ya know, serial killers and stuff

doing this, yeah.

The next thing you know, I was a field investigator.

I started getting cases.

You know, a case will come in and the state director

will assign those cases.

That's what I do now is I'll assign the cases to other,

my field investigator team.

Once in a while, I'll see one that seems like

it has my name on it.

I feel an affinity for and once in a while,

I'll grab one for myself now still 'cause ya know,

you're either a UFO investigator or you're not, right?

So, I always have current cases going

but I share the wealth now.

- We don't have very many confirmed cases where

I could actually take a piece of a UFO

and do a lab and study it.

But what we do have is a lot of evidence of them

affecting the environment around them.

So we have evidence of them bouncing radar waves

off of themselves.

We have evidence of them having heat signatures

that can be picked up on infrared camera.

- There's definitely a great interest in

our military capabilities by our visitors.

This is why we see things like

my friend Robert Solas, for instance,

who was a commander of an ICBM base in Montana

back in 1968.

They had a UFO that was hovering right over

the missile base.

The guy in the guard shack is calling down.

Everybody sees this thing.

Each missile went offline.

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

And then they went back online.

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

It's like this is what we can do.

Yeah you can build these things.

You can aim them at each other.

But you're not in control of what finally really

actually happens to them.

We have final word on that.

I think it was a show of power.

It was also showing us, I mean,

this is a repeating thing that people hear

in alien encounters is that ya know,

nuclear weapons are evil, that they will destroy humanity.

People are left with visions and dreams

after having a contact experience

of desolation like the book of revelation, ya know?

But we brought it upon ourselves is what people

are always told, that this is your future

if you're not careful.

I heard from one interesting person recently

who told me Mars isn't so much for colonization

as it is a learning tool for you guys.

This is what you will become if you don't change your ways.

- We're now at an age where data is finally

being released about this stuff.

Tick tack stuff, yeah, the USS Nimitz, all of those.

You had multiple eyewitnesses.

Honestly, that's nothing new.

That's been in the UFO literature for decades.

The point is that now, the only difference now

is that it's being talked about a lot more

in the mainstream.

So now, even NASA is openly getting involved

in investigating UFOs.

That was something that was announced

just like three weeks ago.

- Well I know there's been a string of sightings

over the years of military pilots

seeing strange objects flying around while they're

up in the air and not just visual

but also being picked up on radar.

The pilots are picking it up and the radar towers

and the bases are picking it up as well.

There's plenty of audio recordings of the pilots

talking back and forth and describing the sightings

as they're seeing them.

Seems like a lot of them are taking place over the water,

over our coasts.

And there's a whole theory on aquatic UFOs.

I find it very interesting that

the military's finally acknowledging this

and releasing it.

- Best evidence I've heard of up till now,

I would say I would harken back to

what everyone kind of talks about which is

the tic tac incident.

- As far as the tic tac and the way that the government,

I think that they were very, very,

very foot draggy about it.

I mean, this event happened in 2004.

It wasn't until 2017 that it became public knowledge.

A video got out and there's nothing that they could say

about that video.

It wasn't supposed to get out.

It went out privately on the sly

and one of the pilots, ya know, he more or less

videoed his radar screen or his flir video screen

of what they were seeing.

And there you see this craft that's just doing things

that are impossible for anything that we have to do.

- Yeah, there was no visible means of propulsion

which is really weird.

Really, really weird.

I mean, that shouldn't be possible with what we know.

No visible means of propulsion

and being able to do those maneuvers.

And being able to, I mean, if you think about it right,

from a physics standpoint, if you're in a

really fast moving thing that's going at

thousands of gs and suddenly stopping,

you would be turned to paste because ya know,

if you've ever been in a car that suddenly stops,

you know that inertia is a thing.

You would be thrown to the wall of the thing

really, really hard.

Somehow, that's not happening to whatever is piloting

these things unless there is no pilot.

I think the likeliest version of the extraterrestrial

hypothesis from what I know

is that they might be machines, probes.

- So I think that the government was kind of forced

to acknowledge that yes, it's a thing,

and it opened up the whole can of worms.

- At one point I think the original footage

had been leaked out and then a little while later,

the military officially released it.

That's an amazing step.

That's a huge step compared to the last

let's say 60, 70 years

where they just say no, no, it's nothing.

We don't know anything.

We don't research that stuff.

Turns out they have been researching it all along.

They've been keeping tabs on this stuff from day one.

- And I think that they were afraid that if they put,

if they put stuff out to the public,

you're also putting it out to our enemies.

You're putting it out to other ya know,

other foreign nationals that might not have

our self interest in mind.

So I can see why they're foot draggy about it.

I can see why they didn't want that information out there,

but it's about time.

- I think these tic tac sightings

are a huge step in that direction

to getting what we call disclosure,

of the government saying yes, here's what we know.

Here's what we've got on file for all of this stuff.

They bleed it out a little bit at a time to us

but I think there's a lot more they're not saying.

I know there's a lot more they're not saying.

- Cases where you have multiple sensors

that are all picking these things up.

So it's not just eyewitnesses

but it's all of these sort of things

that are designed to monitor the sky.

Ya know 'cause the thing is a delusion,

a hallucination can't bounce radar waves off of it

and it can't show up on an infrared camera.

- Especially near air bases or anywhere

where they have nuclear weapons,

anything of that sort.

Sort of high security areas.

They tend to see that a lot more,

traditionally near missile silos and things like that.

There's been plenty of cases of anything from

just strange lights to there's been historical cases

of having alarms and things being set off

or even triggering launch sequences.

There's even been reports of just

not military, necessarily, but NASA test rockets,

test flights, being messed with,

seeing lights and seeing things moving around

the launch site and having the launch being shut down.

Oh, we didn't do it.

We'll keep shutting this off.

We'll keep ya know, breaking,

but nobody could figure out what it was

except that it lined up with these weird lights

in these sightings at the time.

- It's very difficult, I'd say.

It's very difficult to do that with the,

at least the physics that we have,

but that's what makes them interesting, right?

So the analogy that I would make is if,

if these are alien, they are interstellar in origin,

then it's kind of like the level of technology

that you would need to do what I just described,

colonize the whole galaxy, possible but very advanced.

Advanced enough, in fact, that I would harken back

to Arthur C. Clarke's old quote,

"any sufficiently advanced technology

"is indistinguishable from magic."

It would be a little bit like magic in the sense that,

ya know, if you sent a nuclear reactor

back to Victorian England, that would really be

magic to them, ya know?

'Cause they don't understand.

That would've been before Marie curie sort of figured out

radium and figured out ya know,

it wouldn't make any sense.

One signifier of extraterrestrial technology

that got here from another star system

should be that it doesn't make sense to us.

It shouldn't make sense to us.

- I mean, yeah.

I mean, there's some stuff I don't necessarily

like to say or talk about just because

I don't like to give definitive answers

and I also like, with cases I've personally worked,

I don't like to talk too much about it because

these are private citizens that may or may not have said,

"hey, you can talk about this or you can't."

When you file a report, there is a box that says,

"do you wanna remain anonymous?"

Do you want to keep this stuff quiet

or do you care?

There's a thing for that.

I just assume, even if they don't care,

I don't like to say that,

"oh, this lady from this specific town

"on this specific day saw this thing."

Because people will put two and two together.

They'll figure out that was Mary Jane

who lived in ya know, Las Vegas, and she's a...

They'll figure that out and maybe that person

doesn't want anybody to know about it.

So, I tend to shy away from giving too much detail

on ya know, actual real cases I've worked personally.

- Ya know, there's a few different reasons.

The subject was stigmatized but it was more stigmatized

from the standpoint of most of the scientists

involved in the search for life, obviously,

would tell you yeah, there's probably life out there

or else they wouldn't be spending

their careers on it, right?

But the idea was ya know, it's very difficult for

interstellar travel is really hard.

And why would the aliens come here to just sort of

show up and hover over some dude's farm in Kentucky

and abduct a few cattle.

Or you've heard the old stereotype about UFOs.

You know about it.

So, that was a big part of it.

I think another thing is that UFOs

are very difficult thing to study with the scientific method

because you can't predict when a UFO is gonna show up.

So, if I wanted to observe a star, let's say,

I could train my telescope on it

and I know that that star's gonna be there tomorrow.

So I could train my telescope on it again.

So I can reproduce whatever I find.

UFOs, you don't know when one's gonna show up.

You can't set up an observation station,

an experiment and everything, because it's not,

it's completely unpredictable.

It's very difficult to sort of get repeated tests.

- This is one case that's just kind of a really

interesting straight ahead UFO case.

MUFON case number 95355.

Kinda blows me away and I do, ya know,

keep in touch with the main witness.

Witness and two friends were on a weekend camping

fishing trip at lake silverwood near big bear.

Driving in a rural area, the witness observed

a bright Amber light that was flying

silently and low in the distance.

The object, he noticed that the object didn't have

proper FAA lights on it,

so the witness pulled his truck over to the shoulder

and all three witnesses got out of the truck.

They were all leaning up against the bumper of the truck

watching as the object slowly approached their position.

As the object approached, it resolved into an object

which the witness described as a black boomerang

wedge-like shape, like a giant pair of

wraparound sunglasses.

By the way, I'll mention that the main witness

of this case is an aerospace engineer

working for a major aerospace company.

All three witnesses could hear a low humming sound.

We could feel it in our bones and our feet.

It was quite uncomfortable.

The witness's friend said that he made sure

the truck engine was turned off

as he had heard that UFOs can cause

car electrical problems and cause an electrical system

to burn out.

And that's true.

We've seen that from case to case.

The witness states that the object had four visible

decks on either side facing him

that he could actually see backlit silhouettes of

either people or possibly beings

standing or walking on four louvered decks

which were visible behind a giant window

or what looked like a giant window,

which encased the front of the craft.

I'm guessing it was some kind of a force field

or some material that we don't or,

don't know about.

As the object passed over the witness,

he could see four panels on the back

which had the look of electronic snow

like you see on a old television set

that's between channels.

And I've heard this in other cases too

where there's a propulsion system seen

and it looked almost like the snow

that you'll see on a television.

The witness states the craft continued heading

on it's original trajectory until it was finally

lost to their sight at the visual vanishing point.

The witness who was on the camping trip with his friends,

he worked as a lab technician doing

electroplating of circuitry boards

that were used exclusively in aerospace work.

Guy as sharp as a tack.

No reason to make this story up.

Here's some of his interview.

He said, "I've never seen anything like

"what we witnessed that Sunday.

"We all saw it.

"My best friend who passed away last year

"was there as well.

"He didn't want to report this even though

"we did know about MUFON when we had our sighting.

"But John recently passed away which freed me up

"to finally put in a sighting report about this.

"I don't know if it's ours or if it's theirs

"but I'm hoping that you can help me

"because it looked like a flying aircraft carrier."

I interviewed the witness.

It says here, you know, I interviewed him thoroughly

three times over four months.

A witness never changed his story,

never embellished on what he had said.

What I'll do when I speak with somebody,

like in this case, there was only one main witness left.

So I'll kinda cold call the person

and have them repeat so that ya know,

you know if somebody's reading from a piece of paper

or if they're embellishing or making something up

or if they're telling you something from memory.

This guy had just all the emotions that you would have

if you had seen something amazing like that.

He said, "we were all talking to each other

"about what we were seeing.

"We were excited and scared as well as you could imagine.

"We could see columns from deck to deck

"and on the most upper deck,

"we could see humanoid figures moving around.

"We were saying things like look at that guy.

"Is he driving that thing or what?

"It looked like somebody was shining a light

"up at it like the UFO that was seen in China."

There was a similar sighting that was seen in

Beijing airport a few years ago.

"Everything around us seemed to be crackling

"and I could feel my insides humming.

"Thinking of it now, I'm really glad that I

"turned off my truck.

"As we were looking at the back of the craft,

"there were four boxes that were louvered

"and they shimmered like a road on a hot summer day.

"The boxes looked like a TV when there's no channels on.

"Black and gray from top to bottom of the craft.

"When I worked in aircraft, I was once in

"the world's largest building in Everett, Washington.

"I was aircraft hangar there

"and this would not fit in there.

"The ceiling would've collapsed with all the structures

"having to be removed to fit it in."

The way that I closed this case was,

I said witness was to the point, lucid.

He never diverted from his original interview

and his statements.

He recounted his experience from memory

and never stumbled around in recounting his sighting

as if recalling a remembered incident.

Witness has worked for many years as a technician

in the aerospace industry having originally worked

in electroplating components at his grandfather's company.

Considering the witnesses background in aerospace

and the witnesses composure and the levels of emotion

while describing his sighting to me

during the four methodical interviews I conducted with him,

I believe the witness was describing

a remembered event that he could not explain.

And I closed this as a unknown aerial vehicle, a UFO.

That's one of my favorite UFO cases.

It's just no abduction, no beings except possibly,

ya know, and I wonder what this was, ya know?

Could it have been time travelers?

Was that us from the future, ya know?

It has kind of a human craft look to it.

Ya know, the aircraft carrier thing.

I could kinda see that, ya know?

In his illustration.

But certainly, I don't think it's something

that we have now.

Or if it is, it's quite secretive.

- Ya know, I've been told time and time again

that ya know, the more you do this,

the more involved you get with UFO research.

You tend to start having those experiences

like you somehow, you pop up on their radar somehow,

whoever they are.

They realize you're interested and you're poking around,

so they poke back eventually.

I haven't had that happen yet.

It's a little frightening.

Depending on the degree of poking that's being done.

But I do wanna experience that for myself.

- If anybody out there, if you've had an affinity

for the things that I've been talking about

and you'd like to do this yourself,

it's not only very possible.

It's pretty easy to do.

You just apply yourself, read the book,

take the test, and then you start getting cases

and we mentor you at first.

You know, we have a mentorship program that we do

that kinda gets people up to square when they first join

and before you know it,

you're going out on cases.

90 to 95 percentage of cases are prosaic objects

that people misidentified.

But that five to 10 percent that I can't explain,

that's what keeps me going and keeps me doing this

day in and day out.

I don't foresee a time in my life

where I won't be doing this.

I've got the bug.

I love it and you can do it too.

- And that's kinda the point of it too is that

MUFON's a safe place to submit these reports.

You can absolutely do it anonymously if you want.

You don't have to give your personal information

if you don't want to.

You can check the box that says

keep my name out of this.

Don't contact me.

I'm just giving you this information

because someone needs it.

Absolutely free to do that.

You know the old saying,

I want to believe.

That's me.

- I think that's really what it's all about in the end.

It seems to be working now because ya know,

I've got a team working under me and I've got ya know,

speaking engagements and I get to tell people

about this amazing phenomena which is like magic

but real, ya know?

And I love it.

I love it.

There's no way I'll ever not be doing this.