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We would like to look
through the anomaly
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at an astronomical object
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over the triangle
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and see if they seem obscured.
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The object I just slewed to
a little while ago
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is now no longer
in the database.
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Erik, the cattle have scattered
through the entire field.
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-Something's definitely
scared them.
-(cattle lowing)
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What the hell is that
in the sky?
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CHUCK:
That thing is big and spherical.
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Yes, it is. It's got
a black dot in the center of it.
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There's something that
I'd like to get your eyes on.
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-There. There.
-Oh, what was that?
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That's the brightest thing
in the sky!
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NARRATOR:
There is a ranch
in Northern Utah.
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It is considered the epicenter
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of the strangest and most
disturbing phenomena on Earth:
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animal mutilations,
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bizarre UFO sightings
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and unusual energies that have
proven harmful to humans.
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For 20 years,
the federal government
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tried to find answers
and failed.
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Now a new team
of dedicated scientists,
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researchers and experts
has taken over.
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They are determined to solve
the mystery and reveal...
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...The Secret
of Skinwalker Ranch.
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So, Kaleb just came in
after being out on patrol
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and mentioned
that it looks like
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we have a downed cow
out here in the field, so,
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Kaleb, Thomas, myself--
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we're gonna go check it out.
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Oh, man, she doesn't
look good, does she?
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Yeah, she's not
doing well... at all.
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KALEB:
Boy, her eyes don't
look good, either.
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Yeah, she doesn't look
very healthy at all.
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BRYANT:
Hey. Oh, you're good.
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You're good.
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-Oh, come on up, girl.
-(indistinct chatter)
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Get up. Come on.
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How many years did we go
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without any cattle having
any issues whatsoever,
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and now we're drilling,
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we're doing all kinds
of stuff, and all of a sudden,
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two out of three years, we've
got cows that are in bad shape?
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-How's it going?
-Good. How are you, Donavon?
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-Good.
-Good to see you.
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Good to see you, too.
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Morning, Richard.
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-Hey, Tommy.
-How are you?
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Good. How are you?
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Oh, doing pretty good.
Good to see you out.
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Yeah, good to be out.
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So, uh, we got this cow
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that's down here
that we called you about.
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There's one cow now
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that's starting
to separate herself
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from the group, and
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appears to be struggling.
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My first thought is
to always notify the rancher.
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These animals don't belong
to us.
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512 acres is a lot
of ground to maintain,
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and we bring the cows on
to help keep the grass down.
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You know, I don't... I don't
know what the deal is with her,
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or what her problem is,
but hopefully,
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you can look at her
and figure out what's going on.
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-Well, let's go see
what she's doing.
-Okay.
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TRAVIS:
It's not that mysterious
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for a cow
to get sick on a ranch,
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but there were several
odd coincidences about this cow
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that Thomas, Dragon and Kaleb
found acting bizarre
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out in the south field.
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One-- this happened
only a couple nights
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after our telescope
and rocket experiment
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where two different UAPs
appeared in the sky.
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I am getting something
on the 1.6.
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TRAVIS:
Two-- those UAPs appeared
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just after Erik detected
another dangerous
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RF radiation reading
of 1.6 gigahertz,
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and the cows got all spooked
and started running around.
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(cattle lowing)
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Erik, the cows have
pushed in on us.
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TRAVIS: And three--
this cow is acting strange
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in the exact same location
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where a cow actually died
two years ago
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just as a UAP appeared
in the sky above it.
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This herd seems pretty docile.
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Do you ever see
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aggression out of cows
anywhere other than here?
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Well, what seems weird to me
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is when you have one cow
out of the whole herd
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that starts going mental.
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And I've never had that
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-on our ranch.
-Hmm.
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-Only here?
-Only here.
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-Wow.
-THOMAS: Interesting.
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That's very interesting.
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Just as we have many
scientific instruments,
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sensors and cameras
deployed across the ranch,
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we also speak
of the animals here
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as bio sensors.
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And it's natural
for us to wonder
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whether there might be something
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connected
to our recent experiment.
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-(cow lowing)
-Well, see, there's, uh...
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BRYANT:
Yeah, she's starting to move.
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RICHARD:
Get up, get up.
There. Good deal.
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It's weird. It looks like
she's trying to move all...
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RICHARD:
She's gonna go down, Donavon.
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You got to get in front of her.
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Wow.
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-She's down, she's down.
-Yeah.
-She might be...
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-Yup. See, now she starts...
-Yes.
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-getting aggressive
right there. Shh. Shh.
-Yeah.
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-Shh.
-She's got a gaze on us.
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Dad, I got her, I got her.
Get back!
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-He's on her.
-Get back! Get back!
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(dog barking)
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Luca, back.
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-Come on.
-(barking)
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(panting)
Ah.
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RICHARD:
Let her... let her lay down.
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-ERIK: She's really in distress.
-DONAVON: Yeah.
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RICHARD:
What I think we'll do,
Tommy, is take her home,
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and see if she acts
any different at home.
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She's totally agitated.
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I think there's something going
on. I don't know what it is.
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I don't like thinking about it,
I don't want to be around it.
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It's a mystery.
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BRYANT:
Sorry this happened.
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We appreciate you coming and
bringing your animals out here.
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Hopefully, this doesn't sour you
on the place too much.
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Well, we'll see.
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(cow lowing)
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TRAVIS: After Erik and I
heard about the cow,
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we decided it was time
to reach back out
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to someone
who we know was not only
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a former investigator
on the ranch,
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but also had his own experiences
with bizarre cattle incidents--
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Retired Army Colonel
John Alexander.
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-Thanks for coming out.
We appreciate it.
-Okay.
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TRAVIS:
Colonel Alexander was
a key member
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of billionaire
Robert Bigelow's team,
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who studied phenomena
on the ranch for two decades,
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starting back in 1996.
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Hey, guys.
You remember Colonel Alexander?
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TRAVIS:
So, given everything
we've been experiencing
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recently at the triangle,
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which now seems to be affecting
the cattle, as well,
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we were grateful
that he agreed to come back
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and share information that
could help our investigation.
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So, is this the first time
you've been back to the ranch
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since the Bigelow era?
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Been a couple decades.
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-TRAVIS: Wow.
-Looks a little different.
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The topography looks the same.
The rest of it
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has kind of, uh...
has been updated quite a bit.
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I was a colonel in the Army,
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I was in special operations,
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and finally, as director
of advanced system concepts.
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The second career was
Los Alamos National Laboratory,
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where we did all
the non-lethal weapons concepts.
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I had just left Los Alamos,
and in mid '95,
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Bob Bigelow decided
to create NIDS--
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National Institute
for Discovery Science--
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and I was the first
NIDS employee.
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NIDS was formed for the purpose
of looking at UFOs.
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Skinwalker presented that
and so much more.
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TRAVIS:
We would like to see
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if you have some insight
from your past here
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that might spur us
into some other experiments
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that we might like to do.
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So, during the time
that you guys were here,
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can you, uh,
think of a specific
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event that was the most
disturbing or impactful?
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-Especially something,
like, with a cow?
-(laughs)
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I wouldn't know where
to begin with that one.
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Um, when NIDS was created
in mid '95,
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Terry Sherman was prepared
to sell the ranch,
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and so, Bob Bigelow
made him an offer.
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-After he s...
bought the ranch...
-So he stayed on
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-as the ranch manager?
-He-he stayed on
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as the ranch manager.
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So it was calving season.
Terry went out,
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found a newborn,
tag it and weighed it.
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Drives across, as you know,
perfectly open field,
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finds another newborn, tags it
and weighs it, comes back.
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And the mother's going berserk,
and calf one is dead.
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Not only is it dead,
but there's about 40 pounds
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of stuff is missing.
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It's eviscerated,
exsanguinated,
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ear had been sliced off.
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TRAVIS:
Hearing the strange details
of this calf
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being mutilated in broad
daylight reminds me again
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of the cow that died
after we first stimulated UAPs
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to appear above the triangle
two years ago.
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What in the world?
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Tom Winterton found the cow
right after it died,
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and alerted us
to go investigate it.
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The meter's just going crazy.
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Almost immediately,
we began detecting high readings
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of RF radiation
with our TriField meters,
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so we got out of there.
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What we'll do is go forward
very slowly.
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TRAVIS:
But then, we reviewed
the surveillance footage
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that captured the moment
of the cow's death
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and saw a UAP
in the sky right above it.
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Since that day, we've wondered
if we might have stopped
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a mutilation from happening.
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But it's also very curious
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that both the Bigelow team
and our team
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had cows die under very
inexplicable circumstances
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right after we first began
investigating phenomena
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on Skinwalker Ranch.
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It made me wonder
what other similarities
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we've both experienced.
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What's really interesting is,
a lot of times when we do have
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these anomalies, we are
detecting a strange signal
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that we can't identify
at 1.6 something gigahertz.
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-Okay.
-And, so,
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I guess the question
we would have is,
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during the time
that you guys were here,
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did you record or see things
that looked like this signal
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at 1.6 gigahertz?
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Well, as you know, I've dealt
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with the UFO phenomena
quite a bit,
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and-and that is one
of the perplexing aspects,
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is things like
these sort of signals.
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And these things occur
in many, many areas,
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and why is it that we see things
that shouldn't be there,
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and don't see things
that we should see?
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-Yup.
-For instance, we would
set up cameras, and say,
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"Okay, we're gonna...
If it's happening here,
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we're gonna watch
in that location,"
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but you get nothing,
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and things
would happen off camera.
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Sometimes
the most important data
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are the ones we can't collect.
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The fact that something
is interfering, which is
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-very often the case here.
-JOHN: Right.
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ERIK: So, the other thing
I wanted to ask you is,
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we've heard
about opening portals.
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Uh, what can you tell us
about those?
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The closest to
what you're asking
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is the incident out at...
near the second homestead.
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You know,
something moving through
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the Russian olives out there,
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through the trees.
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We were aware of kind of
a slight distortion.
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You didn't see a thing; it was
more of distortions moving.
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TRAVIS:
After their investigation ended,
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the NIDS team put forth the idea
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that a portal connected
to another dimension
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causes the phenomena
that happened on the ranch.
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I don't know
if that could really explain
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what's happened
during our experiments,
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but we've seen some crazy stuff
at Homestead Two as well.
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Last year,
we used thermal imaging
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at night to capture
a circular temperature vortex
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that was at least
20 degrees colder
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than any of its surroundings.
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Oh, whoa.
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And when we reviewed
our footage, we saw something
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moving erratically
in front of the homestead.
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Now, I'm still not ready to say
a portal or a wormhole exists
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on Skinwalker Ranch,
but it is amazing
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that other researchers
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and scientists believe
that it could.
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So what I'm taking from this
is that there is a long history
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of unusual phenomena
without an identifiable source
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in this basin.
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And I'm learning that there
were no answers produced
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as a result
of the previous research here.
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-That's kind of surprising.
-Right.
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Because that burden
that we're bearing today is
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that our own conclusions
don't make sense to us yet.
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It's been a frustration,
almost become a joke.
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Yes, but I think you're
operating under the illusion
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that you're in control.
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You're not in control.
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There's an "it"
that's in control.
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Whatever "it" was seemed
to know how we would respond
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before the event even occurred.
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It was not responding
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in a way
that we would anticipate.
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And every time
you tried to anticipate,
286
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it would just morph to something
a little bit different.
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Like I say, you like that?
Try this.
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I'm really interested in how
you arrived at that impression,
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that overall assessment
of what was going on here,
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from having experiments
not go as you planned
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to there being an "it."
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When a physical event
had occurred,
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something would happen.
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Theoretically,
can some of these happen, yes,
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but when you look
at it practically,
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it just makes no sense at all.
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It was when "it" decided
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to present us with something
that the events occurred.
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We inherited this narrative
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that it's dangerous
to dig on the ranch.
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My question to you is,
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are you aware of any exercises
during the Bigelow era
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where they may have
done experiments
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that included
digging and watching?
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I'm familiar with that.
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The digging
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was to see if some sort
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of phenomena
would manifest itself.
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If we can do something
that will cause a response.
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And sometimes incidents happen.
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While we've got you here,
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we could take you around
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and show you some places
on the ranch.
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-You show us where
you think things happened.
-JOHN: Well, yeah,
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well, one of my areas
of interest is revisiting
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-where some of these events
took place at.
-That would be great
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-for you to tell us that.
-BRYANT: That'd be
helpful to us.
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-Yeah, that'd be very helpful.
-So, uh,
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with that in mind,
I think we should load up
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and head out.
321
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-This particular area is...
-This is the triangle?
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-Yeah, it's been...
-The infamous triangle.
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TRAVIS:
I'll tell you, it's really more
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about phenomena in the sky
above the triangle than actually
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-on the triangle.
-JOHN: Oh, yeah.
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TRAVIS:
Colonel Alexander told us
a lot of different stories
327
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about phenomena they had seen
back in the Bigelow era.
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So, what we thought was,
him showing us
329
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where these things happened
might give us some insight
330
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of where we might want
to do some experiments
331
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to reproduce it
and maybe capture some data.
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-BRYANT: This place look
familiar to you, John?
-Oh, yes.
333
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BRYANT:
The story that sticks with me is
334
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your account
of the portal opening up.
335
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Oh, yes. Well, it was
a little bit farther up.
336
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TRAVIS:
Back in the NIDS days,
multiple eyewitnesses
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have written
about these phenomena.
338
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Maybe there is some connection
339
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with whatever
these phenomena are,
340
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what they've seen in the past,
and what we're seeing today.
341
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It was around this corner
right here
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where we had
the radiation spikes.
343
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Uh, near this cistern.
344
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Well, that's interesting because
this is one of the few areas
345
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I have some old pictures from.
346
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Y'all measured for gamma rays
and stuff like that?
347
00:15:43,167 --> 00:15:45,333
Yeah, what...
They used the TriField meters
348
00:15:45,417 --> 00:15:48,917
-and whatnot, but, uh...
-You know why this is open?
349
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THOMAS:
Do you know why that's open?
350
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I don't know why
that's open, either.
351
00:15:54,542 --> 00:15:57,708
-BRYANT: I wonder
who opened it up.
-Uh...
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'Cause I don't... Someone's
been here and opened this up.
353
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It's always closed.
354
00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,833
It usually is closed
because we don't want anyone
355
00:16:05,917 --> 00:16:07,167
or anything falling in there.
356
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Yeah, somebody's opened this up.
357
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TRAVIS:
Two years ago, I was exposed
to dangerous levels
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of ionizing radiation coming
directly from this cistern
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that left burns
on my hand and face.
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Ever since then, we've had
radiation sensors placed
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all around the ranch
just to be safe.
362
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And seeing the lid off this
cistern is not just curious.
363
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It's concerning.
364
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-I don't know why...
-That...
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It's heavy, too.
It ain't just...
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-THOMAS: It is.
-TRAVIS: Yeah.
367
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You got it, Tom?
368
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Why is that open?
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BRYANT:
Somebody opened it.
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I'm just trying
to figure out who.
371
00:16:47,125 --> 00:16:49,167
We need to get
to the bottom of that.
372
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Did y'all have weird stuff
like that happen?
373
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You know, things being
one orientation,
374
00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,417
and you come back,
and it's moved?
375
00:16:55,542 --> 00:16:59,167
Yeah, but it's...
The problem was like this--
376
00:16:59,292 --> 00:17:01,125
you notice it after the fact.
377
00:17:03,458 --> 00:17:05,667
So, where do you think
the, uh, portal was?
378
00:17:05,792 --> 00:17:07,792
-From... out in the field. Yeah.
-Oh, from out there?
379
00:17:07,917 --> 00:17:09,250
Oh, show us...
show us where that is.
380
00:17:11,125 --> 00:17:15,375
Yeah, out in this general area.
381
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And it's sort of moving
through the treetops here.
382
00:17:19,125 --> 00:17:21,417
Again, it was more of
a distortion.
383
00:17:22,583 --> 00:17:26,250
This was early evening.
Our guys were down there,
384
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and it was kind of
a disturbance.
385
00:17:28,208 --> 00:17:29,958
You didn't actually
see a thing.
386
00:17:30,042 --> 00:17:31,625
It was more
of distortions moving.
387
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BRYANT:
Just so I'm clear,
it was almost like
388
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-the cloaked movement...
-Yeah, like something moving
389
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-through the treetops.
-BRYANT: Okay.
390
00:17:38,208 --> 00:17:39,458
-A disturbance...
-BRYANT: Mm-hmm.
391
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...in the visual spectrum
as it goes across.
392
00:17:44,583 --> 00:17:46,167
They only were able to see it
through the night vision
393
00:17:46,333 --> 00:17:47,583
cameras? Is that correct?
394
00:17:47,708 --> 00:17:50,458
-Yeah.
-Okay.
395
00:17:50,583 --> 00:17:51,917
-Okay.
-Well.
396
00:17:52,042 --> 00:17:54,292
So, why don't we head that way?
397
00:17:54,375 --> 00:17:57,042
Let's go up through here
so we can avoid the water.
398
00:17:57,167 --> 00:17:59,500
Okay, you lead the way, Thomas.
399
00:17:59,583 --> 00:18:02,667
It's a good thing to reach out
to people that have been here
400
00:18:02,792 --> 00:18:04,458
and other research efforts
to understand this place.
401
00:18:04,542 --> 00:18:07,583
This is a strange place.
Weird things happen.
402
00:18:07,708 --> 00:18:11,417
Anybody that has any insight--
that's gonna be useful data.
403
00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:14,875
The caretakers
that were here after,
404
00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,000
uh, the Shermans left,
had indicated that
405
00:18:18,125 --> 00:18:21,167
Bigelow's team--
they actually used a bulldozer,
406
00:18:21,292 --> 00:18:23,750
and done some trenches
here in this field.
407
00:18:23,875 --> 00:18:25,667
It was more a disturbance.
408
00:18:25,750 --> 00:18:29,917
The intent was not
to dig, per se. It was just,
409
00:18:30,042 --> 00:18:32,375
we'll screw with things
and see if...
410
00:18:32,500 --> 00:18:35,083
-See if you could stimulate it?
-Oh, yeah.
411
00:18:35,208 --> 00:18:36,625
To quote Travis,
they were trying
412
00:18:36,708 --> 00:18:38,000
to poke the hornet's nest?
413
00:18:38,125 --> 00:18:39,417
-Yeah.
-I see.
414
00:18:39,542 --> 00:18:41,250
THOMAS: Do you know,
did they ever feel
415
00:18:41,375 --> 00:18:44,542
like they got a response
from any of that?
416
00:18:44,667 --> 00:18:48,292
Yeah. Well, we just discussed
the one with the portal.
417
00:18:48,375 --> 00:18:51,833
-Yeah.
-You get something like that...
418
00:18:51,917 --> 00:18:53,458
-Sure.
-It wasn't like we tried
419
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to orchestrate the response.
420
00:18:56,250 --> 00:18:58,125
It was, do we get a response?
421
00:18:58,250 --> 00:19:00,208
-What does that look like?
-Okay.
422
00:19:00,375 --> 00:19:02,667
-Yeah.
-Listening to you talk
about it, you know, I...
423
00:19:02,792 --> 00:19:04,500
in the back of my mind I say,
424
00:19:04,625 --> 00:19:07,208
"Well, if Bigelow's team
dug there once,
425
00:19:07,333 --> 00:19:09,625
"I want to go dig
there again and see
426
00:19:09,708 --> 00:19:12,083
-if strange things happen."
-TRAVIS: Right.
427
00:19:12,208 --> 00:19:14,167
We dig again
to see if it's repeatable.
428
00:19:14,250 --> 00:19:15,917
-Yup.
-THOMAS: And so, do you reckon
429
00:19:16,042 --> 00:19:18,125
that if we were
to come in and dig again,
430
00:19:18,208 --> 00:19:19,958
we would get a response?
431
00:19:20,083 --> 00:19:23,458
Um... don't know.
432
00:19:23,542 --> 00:19:25,542
Where you dig
makes a difference.
433
00:19:27,042 --> 00:19:29,333
ERIK:
Well, we find support
for the idea that when
434
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we do things, we do see what
we interpret as a response.
435
00:19:33,792 --> 00:19:36,000
-Right.
-And so, that's what
we're weighing out right now.
436
00:19:36,125 --> 00:19:37,667
How do we proceed with that?
437
00:19:37,792 --> 00:19:39,833
Well, while we've been
standing here talking,
438
00:19:39,958 --> 00:19:42,042
I've been scanning
over this field.
439
00:19:42,208 --> 00:19:43,833
-Mm-hmm.
-You know, for it being a level
440
00:19:43,958 --> 00:19:47,917
field, I see a pretty good
bulldozer-width indentation
441
00:19:48,042 --> 00:19:50,000
right here
between these two trees.
442
00:19:50,125 --> 00:19:51,667
-TRAVIS: Oh, yeah.
-THOMAS: I think
443
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that that would be a great spot
to come in and dig again.
444
00:19:54,625 --> 00:19:56,500
TRAVIS:
Oh, that would be
a real good idea.
445
00:19:56,625 --> 00:19:58,833
-Then see what happens
with the front.
-Yeah.
446
00:19:58,917 --> 00:20:02,125
Well, John, thank you so much
for coming out here.
447
00:20:02,208 --> 00:20:04,875
I know we're losing daylight, so
we want to get you back safely,
448
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,792
-so, if we pile in and head out?
-Whenever you're ready, so...
449
00:20:06,917 --> 00:20:08,333
-Yeah, let's head back.
-Okay, thank you.
-Yeah.
450
00:20:08,458 --> 00:20:10,167
BRANDON:
Colonel Alexander
451
00:20:10,250 --> 00:20:11,833
and the previous team
witnessed so many
452
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stunning events that really
453
00:20:13,792 --> 00:20:16,667
laid the foundation
for the research
454
00:20:16,792 --> 00:20:19,875
that we took forward
to present day.
455
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,417
The information and insight that
he had shared with the team
456
00:20:23,542 --> 00:20:25,667
helped shape the nature
of our investigation.
457
00:20:25,792 --> 00:20:28,333
ERIK:
Well, we all got quite a bit
on our plates.
458
00:20:35,792 --> 00:20:38,375
TRAVIS: After Colonel
John Alexander told us
459
00:20:38,500 --> 00:20:41,167
that the NIDS team dug
near Homestead Two,
460
00:20:41,292 --> 00:20:43,167
and stimulated
what they believed
461
00:20:43,250 --> 00:20:45,458
to be portal activity
on the ranch,
462
00:20:45,542 --> 00:20:47,375
Thomas rented
an industrial-sized bulldozer
463
00:20:47,542 --> 00:20:49,667
so we could dig
in that exact same area
464
00:20:49,833 --> 00:20:51,167
to see what might happen.
465
00:20:51,250 --> 00:20:53,750
Oh, here he comes.
466
00:20:54,875 --> 00:20:55,958
-what's up, Thomas?
-BRYANT: How was... how was
467
00:20:56,042 --> 00:20:57,292
your sports car ride over here?
468
00:20:57,375 --> 00:20:58,667
-Rough.
-BRYANT: Yeah, I'll bet.
469
00:20:58,833 --> 00:21:00,500
TRAVIS (laughing):
I'll bet it was.
470
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So I'm thinking we just go down,
what, four or five feet?
471
00:21:03,208 --> 00:21:05,167
That makes sense. The height of
the blade or something, right?
472
00:21:05,333 --> 00:21:07,000
-Or until we hit water, I guess.
-Yeah, yeah.
473
00:21:07,125 --> 00:21:08,333
I don't want to bury that.
474
00:21:08,417 --> 00:21:11,542
So you maybe take
about a-a foot off first,
475
00:21:11,667 --> 00:21:14,083
and we can look at it, and then,
take another couple of feet.
476
00:21:14,208 --> 00:21:15,792
-Oh, yeah.
-Then maybe get down to where...
477
00:21:15,875 --> 00:21:17,583
-Maybe something like that?
-Yeah, that sounds good.
478
00:21:17,708 --> 00:21:20,167
Well, it goes without saying,
479
00:21:20,292 --> 00:21:22,000
we need to just keep an eye
on ourselves.
480
00:21:22,125 --> 00:21:24,000
If you start feeling
anything funny,
481
00:21:24,125 --> 00:21:26,500
obviously,
let somebody know, because
482
00:21:26,583 --> 00:21:29,208
when you dig,
bad stuff actually does happens.
483
00:21:29,333 --> 00:21:31,500
THOMAS:
Yeah, so if you guys see
484
00:21:31,625 --> 00:21:33,375
-anything start to elevate,
let me know...
-Yeah.
485
00:21:33,542 --> 00:21:34,542
-and I'm gonna shut her down.
-I'm gonna sit here and watch.
486
00:21:34,708 --> 00:21:36,167
I'm gonna sit here
and watch constantly
487
00:21:36,333 --> 00:21:37,792
while you're doing it.
I'm not gonna let you
488
00:21:37,875 --> 00:21:39,667
be out here digging
without this... without one us
489
00:21:39,792 --> 00:21:41,083
-being out here
with a Geiger counter.
-Yeah.
490
00:21:41,208 --> 00:21:42,125
-Yeah. What are you reading?
-Right now,
491
00:21:42,208 --> 00:21:43,375
we're at normal background.
492
00:21:43,542 --> 00:21:45,833
-12. Yeah.
-12 micro?
493
00:21:45,917 --> 00:21:48,208
TRAVIS:
As a precaution
for this experiment, Erik had
494
00:21:48,375 --> 00:21:50,000
the spectrum analyzer
scanning the area
495
00:21:50,167 --> 00:21:52,750
for the 1.6 gigahertz RF signal,
496
00:21:52,875 --> 00:21:56,375
and we both also had
Geiger counter devices
497
00:21:56,542 --> 00:21:59,083
to look out for harmful spikes
in gamma radiation.
498
00:21:59,208 --> 00:22:00,917
When we dug last year
in the south field
499
00:22:01,042 --> 00:22:02,833
near where the cow died,
500
00:22:02,917 --> 00:22:05,750
we detected gamma rays
three times the normal level.
501
00:22:05,875 --> 00:22:08,625
All right, I think, uh...
I think we got it covered.
502
00:22:08,750 --> 00:22:10,917
-Thomas, you ready to dig?
-Yeah, I'm ready to dig.
503
00:22:16,792 --> 00:22:20,625
Rolling this D8 dozer across--
this is definitely
504
00:22:20,708 --> 00:22:23,083
the largest bulldozer that has
ever been on Skinwalker Ranch.
505
00:22:27,542 --> 00:22:29,083
TRAVIS:
Nothing unusual.
506
00:22:29,208 --> 00:22:30,333
THOMAS:
After seeing
507
00:22:30,458 --> 00:22:31,542
some of the data
that we've received
508
00:22:31,667 --> 00:22:33,375
after digging other holes
on the ranch,
509
00:22:33,500 --> 00:22:34,833
it'll be interesting
to see what happens.
510
00:22:38,042 --> 00:22:40,458
That looks like that may be a
little harder to dig, don't it?
511
00:22:40,542 --> 00:22:41,833
KANDUS:
It does.
512
00:22:43,667 --> 00:22:45,708
Hey, Dragon, Erik,
y'all seeing anything?
513
00:22:47,375 --> 00:22:49,333
Yeah. Me, either.
514
00:22:50,792 --> 00:22:52,458
(creaking)
515
00:22:59,083 --> 00:23:02,042
BRYANT:
Ugh. That's not good.
516
00:23:02,167 --> 00:23:03,833
THOMAS:
We really haven't
517
00:23:03,917 --> 00:23:05,625
even gotten that deep down
in the soil
518
00:23:05,708 --> 00:23:08,292
when the bulldozer
just bogs down and dies.
519
00:23:08,417 --> 00:23:12,000
This big of a dozer should be
able to handle this very easily.
520
00:23:12,167 --> 00:23:14,625
It's just another event
in a long list of experiments
521
00:23:14,708 --> 00:23:16,792
that haven't gone the way
that we planned.
522
00:23:16,875 --> 00:23:20,708
So, guys, I didn't shut it off.
It bogged down, and it-it died.
523
00:23:20,833 --> 00:23:23,750
But, uh, it's telling me
it's got a dead battery.
524
00:23:23,875 --> 00:23:25,833
BRYANT:
Didn't they just put
two new ones in it?
525
00:23:25,958 --> 00:23:27,292
-Like, an hour ago.
-TRAVIS: Yeah.
526
00:23:27,375 --> 00:23:29,333
ERIK:
I got to tell you,
527
00:23:29,417 --> 00:23:30,542
I wish
I had a voltmeter out here.
528
00:23:30,667 --> 00:23:32,250
So why don't we run back
529
00:23:32,375 --> 00:23:33,750
-and get one just to see?
-Yeah.
-Yeah.
530
00:23:33,875 --> 00:23:35,625
It doesn't look
like that's going anywhere.
531
00:23:35,708 --> 00:23:38,167
TRAVIS:
It was like, here we go again.
532
00:23:38,292 --> 00:23:41,458
We just get started digging
to stimulate a ranch response,
533
00:23:41,583 --> 00:23:44,750
and the fully-charged battery
in the bulldozer dies.
534
00:23:44,875 --> 00:23:46,375
THOMAS:
I'm gonna keep fidgeting
around with this.
535
00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:47,792
-TRAVIS: Yeah, yeah. All right.
-Maybe it'll...
536
00:23:47,917 --> 00:23:49,500
Okay.
537
00:23:51,542 --> 00:23:54,667
-Man, were you expecting that?
-No.
538
00:23:54,792 --> 00:23:57,625
TRAVIS:
Was that the ranch responding?
I don't know.
539
00:23:57,708 --> 00:23:59,792
So while Erik
and Dragon went back
540
00:23:59,875 --> 00:24:01,542
to the command center
to get his voltmeter,
541
00:24:01,708 --> 00:24:03,458
and also
to process the collected data
542
00:24:03,542 --> 00:24:05,375
from gamma ray detector,
543
00:24:05,500 --> 00:24:07,083
the rest of us hung back
544
00:24:07,208 --> 00:24:10,917
just in case something even
more strange would happen next.
545
00:24:14,583 --> 00:24:16,125
ERIK:
Hey, Bryant,
546
00:24:16,250 --> 00:24:18,000
I want you to see this.
547
00:24:18,125 --> 00:24:20,875
We've got a couple flavors of
strangeness going here, Bryant.
548
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,125
-Look! What the actual hell
is this?
-What?
549
00:24:25,208 --> 00:24:27,667
ERIK:
While the guys were trying
to fix the bulldozer,
550
00:24:27,792 --> 00:24:29,750
I saw a massive spike
in radiation
551
00:24:29,875 --> 00:24:32,833
in our gamma ray detectors
stationed near Homestead Two
552
00:24:32,958 --> 00:24:35,583
in the area
where they were digging.
553
00:24:35,708 --> 00:24:38,208
It could be very dangerous
for anyone in that location.
554
00:24:38,333 --> 00:24:40,542
-This is not seven!
-Is that 3400?
555
00:24:40,708 --> 00:24:42,792
It's almost 3500.
556
00:24:42,875 --> 00:24:46,500
These are very inexplicable
spikes,
557
00:24:46,583 --> 00:24:49,125
as if something artificial
could be generating them.
558
00:24:49,208 --> 00:24:52,500
-You got to get those people
out of there.
-Okay.
559
00:24:52,583 --> 00:24:54,833
ERIK:
That... that's...
560
00:25:02,042 --> 00:25:03,542
What's wrong?
561
00:25:03,667 --> 00:25:06,917
Erik pulled the data.
There was a spike at 3400.
562
00:25:07,042 --> 00:25:08,542
-3400?
-3400.
563
00:25:08,708 --> 00:25:11,500
Everybody out of here now!
Everybody out.
564
00:25:11,583 --> 00:25:16,250
Erik just picked up a gamma ray
source that was 3400
565
00:25:16,375 --> 00:25:19,167
micro roentgen per hour.
566
00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:21,417
That's a significant dose.
567
00:25:21,542 --> 00:25:24,250
That's enough dose ray
that it could be dangerous.
568
00:25:24,375 --> 00:25:26,208
In terms of gamma rays,
569
00:25:26,333 --> 00:25:29,000
that's almost 300 times
what would be normal and safe.
570
00:25:29,125 --> 00:25:30,667
You guys, come on.
571
00:25:30,833 --> 00:25:34,083
We had to immediately
evacuate the area
572
00:25:34,208 --> 00:25:36,792
and go see if we could get to
the bottom of what's going on.
573
00:25:36,875 --> 00:25:39,167
BRYANT:
Erik was like,
"Go get 'em out of there."
574
00:25:40,833 --> 00:25:42,667
TRAVIS:
What's going on, Erik?
575
00:25:42,792 --> 00:25:46,167
ERIK:
Travis, you got to see this.
576
00:25:46,292 --> 00:25:47,667
You are not going to like it.
577
00:25:47,833 --> 00:25:49,667
I want you to see...
This is what we just logged
578
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:52,250
in that field between Homestead
Two and Homestead Three.
579
00:25:52,375 --> 00:25:53,667
-Okay, now, look.
-Holy...
580
00:25:53,792 --> 00:25:55,042
-Look what we got.
-Yeah.
581
00:25:55,167 --> 00:25:57,083
-And I want you to see...
-Look at that.
582
00:25:57,208 --> 00:26:01,167
ERIK:
It's-it's almost
3,500 micro roentgens per hour.
583
00:26:01,333 --> 00:26:03,958
Now get this. You've got other
strange behavior here that...
584
00:26:04,042 --> 00:26:06,833
-TRAVIS: Uh-oh. Zeroes. Yeah.
-Zeroes.
585
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,667
-Something has interfered...
-TRAVIS: Oh.
586
00:26:08,792 --> 00:26:10,833
...with the data collection
process.
587
00:26:10,958 --> 00:26:12,333
-TRAVIS: There's three
hours missing here.
-It's gone.
588
00:26:12,417 --> 00:26:13,833
It's gone.
589
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,917
TRAVIS:
What's really weird is,
590
00:26:16,042 --> 00:26:18,625
there was a big spike
in the gamma rays,
591
00:26:18,750 --> 00:26:21,958
and then, there was
a complete hole in the data,
592
00:26:22,042 --> 00:26:25,625
meaning the meter said
zero radiation.
593
00:26:25,708 --> 00:26:27,292
A gamma ray detector
can't do that.
594
00:26:27,417 --> 00:26:29,083
Even if you put it
in a lead box,
595
00:26:29,208 --> 00:26:33,083
it's still gonna give you some
background reading, not zero.
596
00:26:33,208 --> 00:26:36,583
Here's the thing.
So, either we're getting
597
00:26:36,708 --> 00:26:39,875
these horrible gamma rays
598
00:26:40,042 --> 00:26:41,417
-at this level...
-TOM: Okay.
-KANDUS: Yeah.
599
00:26:41,542 --> 00:26:43,292
...or something's hacking us.
600
00:26:43,417 --> 00:26:45,625
Either one isn't good, but
601
00:26:45,708 --> 00:26:46,958
we got to treat it
like it's the gamma rays
602
00:26:47,042 --> 00:26:48,500
'cause that's the most dangerous
right now.
603
00:26:48,583 --> 00:26:51,125
If this is saying,
"Don't dig here,"
604
00:26:51,208 --> 00:26:52,667
then that's the big,
blinky sign that says,
605
00:26:52,750 --> 00:26:54,667
we need to dig right there.
606
00:26:54,792 --> 00:26:56,750
-Right.
-And that's what I've said
from day one.
607
00:26:56,875 --> 00:26:58,667
And I guess...
this only reinforces that.
608
00:26:58,792 --> 00:27:00,792
My question in response is,
609
00:27:00,875 --> 00:27:02,625
what is the smartest way
to follow up,
610
00:27:02,750 --> 00:27:04,833
and what is the safest way
to follow up?
611
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,000
TRAVIS:
Well, the smartest,
safest way, the first thing
612
00:27:09,125 --> 00:27:10,667
we got to do is,
we need to determine
613
00:27:10,792 --> 00:27:12,500
-what this is, right?
-TOM: Mm-hmm.
614
00:27:12,625 --> 00:27:14,667
If something was to happen
615
00:27:14,833 --> 00:27:18,917
to any of us,
I mean, this is bad stuff.
616
00:27:19,042 --> 00:27:21,208
TRAVIS:
Now that the radiation levels
are back
617
00:27:21,333 --> 00:27:23,833
to normal, I think
we should wait until tonight,
618
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,667
and go back out there to see
what else we can stimulate.
619
00:27:26,750 --> 00:27:28,833
We'll be careful
like Dragon wants,
620
00:27:28,958 --> 00:27:31,417
monitoring the whole time
with Geiger counters
621
00:27:31,542 --> 00:27:32,667
and the spectrum analyzer,
622
00:27:32,792 --> 00:27:34,875
but we need
to keep poking this nest
623
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,292
to see what we can reveal
about Skinwalker Ranch.
624
00:27:38,375 --> 00:27:40,458
To be honest, I'm not worried
about going back out there,
625
00:27:40,542 --> 00:27:43,125
if you're there monitoring.
626
00:27:43,208 --> 00:27:44,667
All right, great.
627
00:27:44,750 --> 00:27:46,167
Thanks, Erik.
628
00:27:50,125 --> 00:27:52,958
TRAVIS: Yeah, right in here
in all these damn weeds.
629
00:27:53,042 --> 00:27:55,000
We waited until nightfall
630
00:27:55,125 --> 00:27:57,000
to go back out
near Homestead Two
631
00:27:57,167 --> 00:27:59,708
to see if we could stimulate
more phenomena to appear
632
00:27:59,833 --> 00:28:01,667
that might prove or disprove
633
00:28:01,833 --> 00:28:04,125
Colonel Alexander
and NIDS' theory
634
00:28:04,250 --> 00:28:06,792
that a portal might exist
on Skinwalker Ranch.
635
00:28:06,875 --> 00:28:09,417
All right, I want to get where
I can see the bulldozer.
636
00:28:09,542 --> 00:28:10,792
THOMAS:
Well, I think we can see it...
637
00:28:12,292 --> 00:28:14,333
-Yeah, it's right there.
-BRYANT: Yeah, there it is.
638
00:28:14,458 --> 00:28:17,000
Let's get our stuff set up.
639
00:28:17,167 --> 00:28:20,208
Now, the plan was
to set up a safe distance
640
00:28:20,333 --> 00:28:22,000
from the dead bulldozer
641
00:28:22,125 --> 00:28:24,542
and use what's become
our tried-and-true method
642
00:28:24,667 --> 00:28:25,333
for stimulating phenomena.
643
00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:26,500
Watch your hand.
644
00:28:26,625 --> 00:28:27,500
TRAVIS: Launching a rocket.
645
00:28:27,583 --> 00:28:29,833
We are ready to launch!
646
00:28:29,958 --> 00:28:32,833
We also set up a spectrum
analyzer to look out
647
00:28:32,917 --> 00:28:34,000
for any strange RF energy.
648
00:28:34,125 --> 00:28:36,167
Okay, so this is up and running.
649
00:28:36,250 --> 00:28:37,458
And we put a Geiger counter
right next
650
00:28:37,542 --> 00:28:39,250
to the stalled bulldozer
651
00:28:39,375 --> 00:28:41,167
to check for any more
dangerous gamma rays.
652
00:28:41,292 --> 00:28:44,167
-That's really, really low.
-Good. That makes me happy.
653
00:28:44,250 --> 00:28:45,917
TRAVIS:
We also brought out
654
00:28:46,042 --> 00:28:48,000
a night vision
monocular scope so that
655
00:28:48,167 --> 00:28:49,875
we could safely observe
from a distance
656
00:28:50,042 --> 00:28:52,708
if anything weird happened
over there.
657
00:28:52,833 --> 00:28:54,167
At this stage
in the investigation,
658
00:28:54,292 --> 00:28:57,042
safety was still paramount,
as always.
659
00:28:57,167 --> 00:28:58,583
Going hot!
660
00:28:58,708 --> 00:29:00,375
But we all agree that we need
661
00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:02,917
to be aggressive
in order to get some answers.
662
00:29:03,042 --> 00:29:05,000
-Thomas, you ready?
-Yeah, whenever you are.
663
00:29:05,083 --> 00:29:08,583
All right, here we go. Five,
664
00:29:08,708 --> 00:29:11,250
four, three,
665
00:29:11,375 --> 00:29:13,458
two,
666
00:29:13,542 --> 00:29:15,708
one.
667
00:29:22,958 --> 00:29:24,625
-THOMAS: Oh, got the chute.
-TRAVIS: We got the chute!
668
00:29:24,708 --> 00:29:26,917
It's coming down
right over here.
669
00:29:27,042 --> 00:29:29,667
THOMAS:
Coming down fast.
670
00:29:29,792 --> 00:29:33,000
The chute hasn't opened.
671
00:29:33,125 --> 00:29:34,417
Boom!
672
00:29:35,625 --> 00:29:37,167
TRAVIS:
Now, Kaleb, you got it?
673
00:29:37,292 --> 00:29:40,125
Oh, yeah, it landed
right in a tree.
674
00:29:40,208 --> 00:29:43,750
THOMAS:
I'm looking for any UAPs.
675
00:29:44,708 --> 00:29:47,500
TRAVIS:
I don't see nothing.
676
00:29:47,583 --> 00:29:49,625
While Kaleb's getting that,
I'm gonna go over here and check
677
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:51,042
the instruments and stuff.
678
00:29:51,208 --> 00:29:53,208
He may need some help.
I don't know.
679
00:29:53,333 --> 00:29:55,000
Kaleb, you need help?
680
00:29:55,167 --> 00:29:57,833
I got it.
681
00:29:57,958 --> 00:30:01,083
I can't figure out why
the chute didn't open, though.
682
00:30:01,208 --> 00:30:03,625
Erik, are you doing
something at 1.6?
683
00:30:03,708 --> 00:30:05,875
I'm not broadcasting.
684
00:30:06,042 --> 00:30:07,333
THOMAS:
What are you seeing?
685
00:30:07,417 --> 00:30:09,250
TRAVIS:
A signal?
686
00:30:09,375 --> 00:30:12,792
1.60000...
687
00:30:12,875 --> 00:30:15,833
When the chute failed to open,
688
00:30:15,917 --> 00:30:17,833
and the rocket crashed down
near the homestead,
689
00:30:17,958 --> 00:30:19,500
I didn't want to jump
to conclusions,
690
00:30:19,667 --> 00:30:21,208
but then, right on cue,
691
00:30:21,333 --> 00:30:23,708
Erik's spectrum analyzer
registered that freaky,
692
00:30:23,833 --> 00:30:26,875
1.6 gigahertz energy level
that has coincided
693
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,042
with almost every phenomenon
we've witnessed out here.
694
00:30:30,208 --> 00:30:33,625
-You want me sweeping around?
It's...
-Yeah, yeah, I do.
695
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:35,792
Something was starting
to happen.
696
00:30:35,875 --> 00:30:39,542
Oh, whoa, whoa! Right there.
697
00:30:39,667 --> 00:30:42,250
The one signal went away.
698
00:30:42,375 --> 00:30:44,167
Go back the other way.
699
00:30:44,250 --> 00:30:47,125
Well, it's coming back. Oh,
right there, right there. Stop.
700
00:30:47,250 --> 00:30:49,208
-So, it's very directional?
-TRAVIS: Yes.
701
00:30:50,417 --> 00:30:52,000
That's southwest.
702
00:30:52,167 --> 00:30:53,667
That's right
where the rocket just went.
703
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:55,500
Yeah.
704
00:30:55,583 --> 00:30:57,875
Are you kidding me?
705
00:30:58,042 --> 00:30:59,875
Thomas's thought
to turn the antenna
706
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,292
connected
to the spectrum analyzer
707
00:31:02,417 --> 00:31:05,083
was brilliant
because it clearly showed us
708
00:31:05,208 --> 00:31:07,000
that the 1.6 gigahertz signal
709
00:31:07,125 --> 00:31:09,667
was coming from
the same direction in the sky
710
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:12,292
that the rocket
had just flown through.
711
00:31:12,417 --> 00:31:14,333
The question was,
what the hell was it?
712
00:31:14,417 --> 00:31:17,083
Let me... let me go up
and down with it.
713
00:31:20,708 --> 00:31:21,958
TRAVIS:
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Stop.
714
00:31:24,292 --> 00:31:27,833
Suddenly, two signals
right when you did that.
715
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,000
So, look, we've got three peaks.
716
00:31:30,167 --> 00:31:32,792
THOMAS:
That means nothing to me.
717
00:31:32,917 --> 00:31:34,083
Well, it doesn't mean a lot
to us except,
718
00:31:34,208 --> 00:31:35,583
usually,
if it's a communication signal,
719
00:31:35,708 --> 00:31:36,875
you'll see one big one
in the middle
720
00:31:37,042 --> 00:31:38,667
and then, two smaller ones
on the side.
721
00:31:38,750 --> 00:31:39,625
-ERIK: At equal distances.
-TRAVIS: And that's kind of
722
00:31:39,708 --> 00:31:41,000
what we're seeing,
723
00:31:41,083 --> 00:31:42,375
but this one's coming
and going, which is odd.
724
00:31:44,042 --> 00:31:46,917
-Want to try and listen to it?
-ERIK: Yeah.
725
00:31:47,042 --> 00:31:48,542
(high-pitched static)
726
00:31:52,917 --> 00:31:56,125
It's chirping in frequency.
727
00:31:56,208 --> 00:31:59,792
That's a communication signal
or something.
728
00:31:59,917 --> 00:32:02,208
-That's...
-ERIK: So all that disappears
729
00:32:02,375 --> 00:32:04,292
-when you go off down here?
-Yeah, yeah.
730
00:32:04,375 --> 00:32:06,083
I mean, it's got
to be right there, and...
731
00:32:06,208 --> 00:32:09,167
I mean, it's got to...
It's a small, a very small cone.
732
00:32:09,250 --> 00:32:10,792
ERIK:
That's interesting.
733
00:32:10,917 --> 00:32:13,958
So, if it were
a deep sky object,
734
00:32:14,042 --> 00:32:16,167
-in 15 minutes, it'd be gone.
-Mm-hmm.
735
00:32:16,333 --> 00:32:18,125
Because of the rotation
of the Earth.
736
00:32:18,208 --> 00:32:19,792
From my experience
as a rocket scientist,
737
00:32:19,875 --> 00:32:22,167
this sound frequency was
738
00:32:22,250 --> 00:32:24,333
like the kind of communication
signal you would get
739
00:32:24,458 --> 00:32:26,250
from a satellite
orbiting the Earth,
740
00:32:26,375 --> 00:32:28,458
or even farther out in space.
741
00:32:28,583 --> 00:32:30,083
Listen to that!
742
00:32:30,208 --> 00:32:31,958
But the signal was coming
from the area
743
00:32:32,083 --> 00:32:34,583
above the ranch
where we shot the rocket,
744
00:32:34,708 --> 00:32:37,542
and it was pointed directly
at Homestead Two.
745
00:32:37,708 --> 00:32:40,167
So, what would be broadcasting
a communication signal
746
00:32:40,250 --> 00:32:44,167
like that, and where
could it be coming from?
747
00:32:44,250 --> 00:32:45,875
Okay, so you say it's pointed
748
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,333
to where we just
shot the rocket.
749
00:32:47,417 --> 00:32:49,208
So, what? That's our message,
750
00:32:49,333 --> 00:32:51,375
and this is the message
coming back?
751
00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:56,125
I mean, I know that's a stretch,
but (bleep), after everything
752
00:32:56,250 --> 00:32:58,125
that's gone down today,
I have no clue.
753
00:32:58,208 --> 00:33:00,167
That's not a...
I don't know.
754
00:33:00,292 --> 00:33:03,000
I swear that sounds
like a communication signal.
755
00:33:03,125 --> 00:33:04,750
(high-pitched static)
756
00:33:04,875 --> 00:33:06,875
(static stops)
757
00:33:07,042 --> 00:33:08,583
ERIK:
It stopped.
758
00:33:17,125 --> 00:33:19,167
I don't know what elsep
to say about it. I mean,
759
00:33:19,292 --> 00:33:21,917
everything's been quiet,
except for that thing.
760
00:33:22,042 --> 00:33:23,833
But, yeah, the Geiger counter
hadn't had a single
761
00:33:23,958 --> 00:33:27,792
thing over, like,
15 or 16 all night.
762
00:33:27,875 --> 00:33:29,458
-Good.
-I know. (laughs)
763
00:33:29,542 --> 00:33:31,375
-Good.
-Right?
764
00:33:31,542 --> 00:33:33,833
Uh, confusing, but good.
765
00:33:33,958 --> 00:33:36,042
We've had a hell of a day.
766
00:33:36,208 --> 00:33:38,333
TRAVIS:
That mysterious 1.6 gigahertz
767
00:33:38,417 --> 00:33:41,417
frequency sound
suddenly stopped.
768
00:33:41,542 --> 00:33:44,583
Now, I'm not sure, but to me,
it sounded like some sort
769
00:33:44,708 --> 00:33:46,333
of communication signal.
770
00:33:46,458 --> 00:33:48,542
It's crazy to think about,
but we need to try
771
00:33:48,667 --> 00:33:51,000
and figure out what
in the heck it could be
772
00:33:51,167 --> 00:33:53,333
and why we're receiving it.
773
00:33:53,417 --> 00:33:55,792
All right, well,
let's-let's load up.
774
00:33:55,875 --> 00:33:57,250
-All right.
-Okay.
775
00:34:04,167 --> 00:34:05,958
TRAVIS:
What's going on, Erik?
776
00:34:06,083 --> 00:34:08,667
-Well, I'm looking
through some footage.
-Yeah?
777
00:34:08,792 --> 00:34:10,667
Yeah, I've got something
to show you.
778
00:34:10,792 --> 00:34:12,667
TRAVIS:
The day after
our night experiment
779
00:34:12,833 --> 00:34:14,917
at Homestead Two, Erik called
us in to review something
780
00:34:15,042 --> 00:34:16,500
in his surveillance footage
781
00:34:16,625 --> 00:34:20,000
that got him both excited
and a little freaked out.
782
00:34:20,083 --> 00:34:21,667
You know, we've got
all these new cameras out
783
00:34:21,792 --> 00:34:23,708
at the homesteads,
so, you know,
784
00:34:23,833 --> 00:34:26,542
I-I get plenty
of critter activity.
785
00:34:26,667 --> 00:34:28,167
We have a lot deer,
we have a lot of...
786
00:34:28,333 --> 00:34:29,875
At night, we have birds
787
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,500
and bats, especially.
788
00:34:31,625 --> 00:34:33,333
But between all of that,
789
00:34:33,458 --> 00:34:35,792
once in a while, we get some
things that just don't fit in.
790
00:34:35,917 --> 00:34:38,542
You know? You know what it looks
like when you've got a,
791
00:34:38,708 --> 00:34:41,708
you know, moth, or a, you know,
some kind of insect, or
792
00:34:41,833 --> 00:34:44,083
a piece of debris flying
across your field of view.
793
00:34:44,208 --> 00:34:46,750
But I've got something here
that doesn't fit in.
794
00:34:46,875 --> 00:34:48,458
-Really?
-Yeah.
795
00:34:48,542 --> 00:34:51,667
It happened just last night
after our experiment.
796
00:34:51,833 --> 00:34:54,500
I'm gonna play this real time.
797
00:34:54,583 --> 00:34:58,167
BRYANT:
So, what camera are we looking
at specifically here?
798
00:34:58,292 --> 00:35:00,500
This is out
at the Carriage House.
799
00:35:00,583 --> 00:35:02,833
Now, Car... That's the thing
across the road
800
00:35:02,958 --> 00:35:04,667
-from Homestead Two, right?
-Yeah.
801
00:35:04,750 --> 00:35:06,792
So, looking back toward
Homestead Two? It's that one?
802
00:35:06,875 --> 00:35:08,625
-Yeah.
-Okay, so across the canal.
803
00:35:08,708 --> 00:35:10,083
Yeah.
804
00:35:12,875 --> 00:35:16,083
TRAVIS:
What on Earth is that?
805
00:35:16,208 --> 00:35:18,792
What the hell is that?
806
00:35:18,875 --> 00:35:20,583
Okay, so,
let's play this through,
807
00:35:20,708 --> 00:35:23,708
and I really want your thoughts
on what this might be.
808
00:35:23,875 --> 00:35:27,042
TRAVIS:
Oh, it's behind the tree,
so it's far enough away.
809
00:35:27,208 --> 00:35:28,667
ERIK:
Right.
810
00:35:28,792 --> 00:35:30,583
-Play that again.
-ERIK: Sure.
811
00:35:30,708 --> 00:35:32,250
THOMAS:
You can see
the other particles around.
812
00:35:32,375 --> 00:35:35,417
TRAVIS:
So, it's leaving a trail.
813
00:35:35,542 --> 00:35:37,625
-Go back, Erik. Go back...
-ERIK: Sure.
814
00:35:37,708 --> 00:35:39,917
-about, um...
-Sure. Yeah, point out
the trail.
815
00:35:40,042 --> 00:35:41,625
Is that camera lag?
816
00:35:41,708 --> 00:35:43,000
-ERIK: It could be.
-Stop right there.
817
00:35:43,125 --> 00:35:44,375
ERIK:
Uh-huh.
818
00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:45,292
You can even see the trail
behind it.
819
00:35:45,375 --> 00:35:46,917
Now let it... watch it go.
820
00:35:47,042 --> 00:35:48,208
It leaves a trail
behind it as it goes.
821
00:35:50,583 --> 00:35:52,750
-All right, stop. You see it?
-ERIK: Sure.
822
00:35:52,875 --> 00:35:55,125
TRAVIS:
You see it back there?
823
00:35:55,208 --> 00:35:57,083
Now, what's the frame rate
of this camera?
824
00:35:57,208 --> 00:36:00,417
Um, these are set,
I believe, to 24. I...
825
00:36:00,542 --> 00:36:03,375
-Well, that's not moving
much faster than that.
-No.
826
00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:06,792
So it shouldn't be causing
frame delay.
827
00:36:06,917 --> 00:36:08,958
-ERIK: I mean,
there's frame rate...
-There's a black line
828
00:36:09,042 --> 00:36:10,417
through the center
of this thing.
829
00:36:10,542 --> 00:36:12,542
-ERIK: Interesting.
-TRAVIS: If you look,
830
00:36:12,667 --> 00:36:15,000
there's a line going
right through the center of it.
831
00:36:15,083 --> 00:36:17,042
And it's like this.
832
00:36:17,208 --> 00:36:19,000
So, let it play
and see if it continues.
833
00:36:19,125 --> 00:36:22,042
ERIK:
Okay. Yeah.
834
00:36:22,167 --> 00:36:23,792
TRAVIS:
Yeah, it stays through it.
835
00:36:26,083 --> 00:36:28,500
-Let it keep going.
-ERIK: Okay.
836
00:36:28,625 --> 00:36:31,917
TRAVIS:
So it's not a bug
inside the field of view
837
00:36:32,042 --> 00:36:33,625
because it goes
behind this tree, right?
838
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:36,250
BRYANT:
Well, it's not...
Look at the bugs, Travis.
839
00:36:36,375 --> 00:36:37,500
-You can see the bugs
zooming by.
-TRAVIS: Yeah.
840
00:36:37,625 --> 00:36:39,542
BRYANT:
This thing looks like a balloon
841
00:36:39,667 --> 00:36:42,167
-floating around on the wind.
-Yeah, and then it goes
842
00:36:42,292 --> 00:36:44,417
behind the tree over here.
843
00:36:44,542 --> 00:36:48,000
-ERIK: Yeah,
but the movement is ver...
-BRYANT: Yeah, that one.
844
00:36:48,083 --> 00:36:49,500
ERIK:
...is very organic, I would say.
845
00:36:49,625 --> 00:36:51,875
It's-it's irregular,
it's not even just
846
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,667
smoothly moving
through the scene.
847
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:54,583
Well, the interesting thing
is, you look at the grass
848
00:36:54,708 --> 00:36:56,375
and the trees.
849
00:36:56,500 --> 00:36:59,167
I don't see really
any wind, you know?
850
00:36:59,333 --> 00:37:02,625
-ERIK: Good point.
-BRYANT: And so you see it,
it drifts over to the right with
851
00:37:02,708 --> 00:37:05,250
no wind going that direction,
and then it drifts and
852
00:37:05,375 --> 00:37:07,125
just slowly-- Like I said,
it almost looks like
853
00:37:07,208 --> 00:37:09,750
a balloon just floating around.
854
00:37:09,875 --> 00:37:12,333
THOMAS: That's not being
affected by the same forces
855
00:37:12,458 --> 00:37:14,333
that are
carrying the rest of it.
856
00:37:14,458 --> 00:37:16,500
It's not a balloon,
because a balloon would have
857
00:37:16,625 --> 00:37:20,083
been more stochastically,
nautically moving about.
858
00:37:20,208 --> 00:37:25,542
And that looks like
it's moving with intent.
859
00:37:25,667 --> 00:37:27,917
Comes along, decides
it doesn't want to be here,
860
00:37:28,042 --> 00:37:29,625
and it decides to go off
this way.
861
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:31,083
This is unique.
862
00:37:31,208 --> 00:37:32,375
-I...
-BRYANT: You know, and it's...
863
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:33,833
I don't think
I've seen anything--
864
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,458
You've never shown me
anything close to that.
865
00:37:35,583 --> 00:37:37,708
Well, it goes in front
of those trees and behind
866
00:37:37,875 --> 00:37:42,083
that tree, so that tells us
it's at least 30 feet away.
867
00:37:42,208 --> 00:37:45,333
So it's about
the size of a volleyball.
868
00:37:45,458 --> 00:37:48,292
Think of it this way.
In one night, one span there,
869
00:37:48,417 --> 00:37:51,833
we see a strange
communication beam,
870
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,708
and then we see this thing.
871
00:37:54,833 --> 00:37:56,750
Is there a connection?
872
00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:05,958
What's particularly
bizarre about this phenomenon
873
00:38:06,042 --> 00:38:08,000
is it happened just
after our rocket experiment
874
00:38:08,083 --> 00:38:09,458
at Homestead Two
875
00:38:09,542 --> 00:38:11,667
when we heard
that really strange
876
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:15,458
1.6 gigahertz signal.
It all looks to be connected.
877
00:38:15,542 --> 00:38:17,208
I just don't know how
or why yet.
878
00:38:17,375 --> 00:38:20,125
In the beginning,
it almost looks like it changes
879
00:38:20,250 --> 00:38:21,417
shape a little bit to me.
880
00:38:21,542 --> 00:38:23,167
THOMAS:
Is it more, though, that,
881
00:38:23,250 --> 00:38:26,333
looking at the end
would be a circle,
882
00:38:26,417 --> 00:38:29,250
but then as it turns,
a cigar shape,
883
00:38:29,375 --> 00:38:31,208
because you're
getting more of a 3D...
884
00:38:31,333 --> 00:38:33,875
Just like this, right?
If you're looking at this
885
00:38:34,042 --> 00:38:36,083
-end on, you think
it's a circle, right?
-Sure.
886
00:38:36,208 --> 00:38:38,875
If you look at it like this,
it's like a line or something,
887
00:38:39,042 --> 00:38:40,333
you know, cigar-shaped.
888
00:38:40,417 --> 00:38:42,333
I'll tell you
what it reminds me of.
889
00:38:42,458 --> 00:38:45,292
The Tic Tac, the UAP video.
890
00:38:45,417 --> 00:38:47,500
The UAP that appeared in
891
00:38:47,625 --> 00:38:49,458
the Tic Tac video
that was recorded by
892
00:38:49,583 --> 00:38:52,167
the USS Nimitz group in 2004
893
00:38:52,250 --> 00:38:55,542
appeared to be cigar-shaped
when viewed from certain angles.
894
00:38:55,667 --> 00:38:58,792
But it was reported to look more
spherical by the Navy pilots
895
00:38:58,875 --> 00:39:00,667
when it flew
straight towards them.
896
00:39:00,792 --> 00:39:04,375
Do any of those objects move
around so organically, like--
897
00:39:04,542 --> 00:39:06,458
-as we see here?
-Yes, and they amorphously
898
00:39:06,542 --> 00:39:09,667
change shape, depending
on the direction they turn.
899
00:39:09,792 --> 00:39:13,625
So, we've measured a signal
many times when we've seen
900
00:39:13,708 --> 00:39:18,500
phenomena occur specifically
around 1.6 gigahertz.
901
00:39:18,583 --> 00:39:21,250
We're seeing whatever this
thing is,
902
00:39:21,375 --> 00:39:23,125
and interestedly enough,
903
00:39:23,208 --> 00:39:28,792
at the same instant, we see
this signal at 1.6 gigahertz.
904
00:39:28,917 --> 00:39:30,417
It's pretty bizarre.
905
00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:33,292
It's crazy is what it is.
906
00:39:33,375 --> 00:39:35,167
I don't know what to say
of this,
907
00:39:35,292 --> 00:39:39,208
but I would say you've captured
a UAP on camera here, Erik,
908
00:39:39,375 --> 00:39:41,500
and we don't know what it is.
909
00:39:41,625 --> 00:39:43,875
Well, this is just
one more case of
910
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,833
strange activity
out at the homesteads.
911
00:39:45,917 --> 00:39:47,333
You know, Homestead Two is
a place where we see
912
00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:49,250
a lot of this stuff.
913
00:39:49,375 --> 00:39:51,208
So, I'm not going
to be satisfied
914
00:39:51,375 --> 00:39:52,625
until I've spent some time doing
915
00:39:52,708 --> 00:39:54,167
-some image processing on this.
-Sure.
916
00:39:54,250 --> 00:39:55,208
And I'll come back
to you guys and
917
00:39:55,375 --> 00:39:56,542
let you know if I find anything.
918
00:39:56,708 --> 00:39:59,125
All right. Thanks, guys.
Good job, Erik.
919
00:40:00,583 --> 00:40:03,917
ERIK: Our fascination,
our speculation about the ranch
920
00:40:04,042 --> 00:40:06,458
phenomenon and about
how the ranch fits into
921
00:40:06,583 --> 00:40:09,208
the larger picture has
only been elevated.
922
00:40:09,333 --> 00:40:11,333
We realize we're
not dealing with a simple
923
00:40:11,458 --> 00:40:14,042
problem set,
but one that is very complex.
924
00:40:14,208 --> 00:40:17,333
TRAVIS: All of this new data
that we have tells us there are
925
00:40:17,458 --> 00:40:19,542
some really weird anomalies.
926
00:40:19,708 --> 00:40:21,000
We don't know
what's causing that.
927
00:40:21,083 --> 00:40:23,292
There's so much data.
928
00:40:23,417 --> 00:40:25,833
What is the next
level of experimentation
929
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,958
that we need to do
to determine what this is?
930
00:40:29,042 --> 00:40:31,792
You can't just go dig everywhere
under the ranch to find this.
931
00:40:31,875 --> 00:40:34,833
We're gonna have to
find a better way to look deeper
932
00:40:34,917 --> 00:40:37,167
under the surface to
figure out what's causing that.
933
00:40:37,292 --> 00:40:39,958
BRANDON: The presence
of a signal or a frequency
934
00:40:40,042 --> 00:40:42,833
that seems to attend
the events and the activities
935
00:40:42,917 --> 00:40:45,875
on the property may be
our greatest discovery yet.
936
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,583
I had always hoped
that these activities would lead
937
00:40:49,708 --> 00:40:52,417
to our ability
to hopefully communicate
938
00:40:52,542 --> 00:40:56,167
with the entities
involved with the ranch.
939
00:40:56,333 --> 00:40:59,000
Now, I believe
what we may be seeing is
940
00:40:59,125 --> 00:41:00,875
communication back to us
941
00:41:01,042 --> 00:41:03,125
in ways that we had
not anticipated
942
00:41:03,208 --> 00:41:04,792
here at Skinwalker Ranch.
943
00:41:08,917 --> 00:41:10,750
It looks like
something's collapsed here.
944
00:41:10,875 --> 00:41:13,750
That tells me
that was done to hide something.
945
00:41:13,875 --> 00:41:17,042
There was an area
I found on this mesa slope,
946
00:41:17,167 --> 00:41:18,750
and it lead to this open cave.
947
00:41:18,875 --> 00:41:20,583
I'm pretty sure this is it.
948
00:41:20,708 --> 00:41:23,417
What were they hiding
in that mesa?
949
00:41:23,542 --> 00:41:27,042
Popping smoke. Look, look,
it's getting sucked in.
950
00:41:27,167 --> 00:41:29,542
You guys really
stirred the old hornet's nest.
951
00:41:29,708 --> 00:41:32,125
-Look, they're movin'.
-ERIK: I've never seen this many
952
00:41:32,208 --> 00:41:33,458
mysterious lights in the sky.
953
00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:38,708
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