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UAP right there. -GARY: Yup. 9 00:00:23,458 --> 00:00:27,708 So we have a region in altitude that tells us 10 00:00:27,875 --> 00:00:29,250 there is some kind on phenomenon 11 00:00:29,375 --> 00:00:32,250 taking place right here over the triangle. 12 00:00:33,125 --> 00:00:36,542 NARRATOR: There is a ranch in Northern Utah. 13 00:00:37,333 --> 00:00:39,500 It is considered the epicenter 14 00:00:39,583 --> 00:00:44,125 of the strangest and most disturbing phenomena on Earth: 15 00:00:44,208 --> 00:00:46,625 animal mutilations, 16 00:00:46,708 --> 00:00:48,792 bizarre UFO sightings 17 00:00:48,875 --> 00:00:53,917 and unusual energies that have proven harmful to humans. 18 00:00:54,042 --> 00:00:56,917 For 20 years, the federal government 19 00:00:57,042 --> 00:00:59,917 tried to find answers and failed. 20 00:01:00,042 --> 00:01:04,250 Now a new team of dedicated scientists, 21 00:01:04,375 --> 00:01:08,250 researchers and experts has taken over. 22 00:01:08,375 --> 00:01:12,375 They are determined to solve the mystery and reveal... 23 00:01:14,583 --> 00:01:18,125 ...The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch. 24 00:01:24,083 --> 00:01:26,458 TRAVIS: I don't know if it's 25 00:01:26,542 --> 00:01:28,750 the things we're doing that's stimulating these things 26 00:01:28,875 --> 00:01:30,375 like launching rockets. 27 00:01:30,500 --> 00:01:32,750 But there seems to be something happening that is 28 00:01:32,875 --> 00:01:35,167 jamming, hacking, spoofing us. 29 00:01:35,250 --> 00:01:37,125 TRAVIS: We've recently conducted 30 00:01:37,208 --> 00:01:39,542 two new experiments at the triangle and have gotten 31 00:01:39,667 --> 00:01:41,917 more confirmation that something strange 32 00:01:42,042 --> 00:01:44,333 is happening about a mile above that area. 33 00:01:45,292 --> 00:01:48,500 CAMERON: Three, two, one, bottle drop. 34 00:01:48,583 --> 00:01:50,292 TRAVIS: First, we dropped GPS units 35 00:01:50,417 --> 00:01:52,792 from Brandon's helicopter down through it. 36 00:01:52,875 --> 00:01:54,792 TRAVIS: Holy cow. Look at that. 37 00:01:54,917 --> 00:01:56,083 So we threw it out right there 38 00:01:56,208 --> 00:01:58,333 and then, look, it goes upwind. 39 00:01:58,500 --> 00:02:00,000 But something we couldn't see 40 00:02:00,125 --> 00:02:01,500 seemed to deflect our instruments 41 00:02:01,667 --> 00:02:02,958 away from the spot. 42 00:02:03,042 --> 00:02:05,333 The rocket is going hot. 43 00:02:07,208 --> 00:02:08,833 Then, we launched rockets up there with a team 44 00:02:08,958 --> 00:02:12,125 of former military experts who brought a specialized 45 00:02:12,250 --> 00:02:13,708 tracking system for studying UAP. 46 00:02:13,833 --> 00:02:16,792 -Hey look, UAP right there. -GARY: Yep. I see it. 47 00:02:16,917 --> 00:02:19,000 TRAVIS: We did stimulate something to appear in the sky, 48 00:02:19,083 --> 00:02:20,625 but the tracking system 49 00:02:20,708 --> 00:02:23,125 mysteriously shut down over and over... 50 00:02:23,208 --> 00:02:24,625 You got to be kidding me. 51 00:02:24,708 --> 00:02:26,375 ...preventing us from getting any data. 52 00:02:26,542 --> 00:02:28,292 Everything just went off-line. 53 00:02:28,375 --> 00:02:32,083 We need to find a way to collect data in that zone 54 00:02:32,208 --> 00:02:34,208 for a sustained period of time 55 00:02:34,333 --> 00:02:37,292 to figure out just what's causing these strange events 56 00:02:37,375 --> 00:02:39,417 that keep happening on Skinwalker Ranch. 57 00:02:39,542 --> 00:02:41,667 Well, you know, these rockets are great 58 00:02:41,792 --> 00:02:44,083 and we're seeing this data. The problem with them is 59 00:02:44,208 --> 00:02:45,958 they go up so fast and come down so fast, 60 00:02:46,042 --> 00:02:48,375 I don't feel like you guys are really getting a lot of data. 61 00:02:48,542 --> 00:02:50,500 A typical flight trajectory is, 62 00:02:50,625 --> 00:02:53,208 even with a very big chute on them, 63 00:02:53,375 --> 00:02:55,333 is less than 20 or 30 seconds. 64 00:02:55,458 --> 00:02:58,333 -Yeah. -So, it would be nice to linger there 65 00:02:58,500 --> 00:03:01,083 like with a fixed-wing aircraft that we could just keep fly-- 66 00:03:01,208 --> 00:03:03,833 orbiting over the spot, or something. 67 00:03:03,958 --> 00:03:05,417 You know, where we just make 68 00:03:05,542 --> 00:03:07,667 a push broom-type of pattern at various altitudes. 69 00:03:07,833 --> 00:03:11,167 TRAVIS: You could do that with, like, a Cessna or something like that 70 00:03:11,333 --> 00:03:13,208 and you could put plenty of instruments in it. 71 00:03:13,375 --> 00:03:15,458 They could go about a hundred miles an hour, or slower, 72 00:03:15,583 --> 00:03:19,125 and just push broom back and forth over the ranch. 73 00:03:19,208 --> 00:03:20,583 And then you could go up in altitude 74 00:03:20,708 --> 00:03:22,292 and do it again and keep doing it. 75 00:03:22,417 --> 00:03:24,833 We could get a complete 3D map 76 00:03:24,917 --> 00:03:28,167 of GPS, gamma rays, radio, 77 00:03:28,250 --> 00:03:29,833 whatever we wanted to do like that. 78 00:03:29,958 --> 00:03:32,292 Well, we've talked about this for a while, I say we do it. 79 00:03:32,375 --> 00:03:34,167 -Right. -TRAVIS: I'll bet you 80 00:03:34,292 --> 00:03:36,917 that Cameron knows somebody, 81 00:03:37,042 --> 00:03:39,750 that's got a plane that would do this, that would help us out. 82 00:03:39,875 --> 00:03:41,833 Okay, should we go do it? 83 00:03:41,958 --> 00:03:44,083 We need to reach out to Cameron to see if he can help us out. 84 00:03:44,208 --> 00:03:45,333 BRYANT: Sounds good. 85 00:03:45,417 --> 00:03:46,792 TRAVIS: Thanks, Erik. 86 00:03:58,375 --> 00:04:01,167 TOM: Right up here is where the petroglyph is. 87 00:04:01,250 --> 00:04:02,958 KANDUS: Okay. 88 00:04:03,083 --> 00:04:04,417 TRAVIS: While we were preparing 89 00:04:04,542 --> 00:04:06,250 for the experiment above the triangle, 90 00:04:06,375 --> 00:04:07,750 Tom Lewis and Kandus Linde went to 91 00:04:07,875 --> 00:04:10,208 nearby McConkie Ranch to meet with a respected 92 00:04:10,375 --> 00:04:12,667 Navajo Nation's member named Jon Dover. 93 00:04:12,792 --> 00:04:15,333 I think he said he was going to meet us 94 00:04:15,417 --> 00:04:17,500 -just at the trailhead up here. -JON: Hello! 95 00:04:17,625 --> 00:04:18,500 -I'm up here. -TOM: Jon. 96 00:04:18,625 --> 00:04:19,875 Hello. 97 00:04:20,042 --> 00:04:21,000 Come on up. 98 00:04:21,083 --> 00:04:22,167 Let's head on up. 99 00:04:22,333 --> 00:04:24,000 TRAVIS: Now, we want 100 00:04:24,125 --> 00:04:26,583 any information that can help us with our investigation 101 00:04:26,708 --> 00:04:28,583 and the Indigenous people in this region 102 00:04:28,708 --> 00:04:31,667 have a long history with all kinds of strange phenomenon. 103 00:04:31,792 --> 00:04:34,667 -KANDUS: You're good? -TOM: Oh, yeah. 104 00:04:34,792 --> 00:04:37,500 TOM: Just recently, we met with Corey Serawop 105 00:04:37,583 --> 00:04:39,167 who shared a story with us 106 00:04:39,292 --> 00:04:41,708 about his experience in the Uinta Basin. 107 00:04:41,875 --> 00:04:44,292 One thing he brought up was that we should visit 108 00:04:44,375 --> 00:04:46,917 McConkie Ranch and check out the petroglyphs there. 109 00:04:47,042 --> 00:04:48,208 This is amazing. 110 00:04:48,375 --> 00:04:50,250 KANDUS: Wow, yeah. 111 00:04:50,375 --> 00:04:52,292 TOM: Jon Dover has a deep understanding 112 00:04:52,417 --> 00:04:54,375 of the petroglyphs and pictographs that are up 113 00:04:54,542 --> 00:04:55,750 on the walls at McConkie Ranch. 114 00:04:55,875 --> 00:04:59,500 And so, Kandus and I are very interested 115 00:04:59,583 --> 00:05:01,500 to hear what Jon has to say. 116 00:05:01,625 --> 00:05:04,167 -Ah, there you are. Hi. -JON: Hey, there. 117 00:05:04,333 --> 00:05:06,750 -Glad you made it. -Thanks so much for having us. 118 00:05:06,875 --> 00:05:08,000 -Kandus. -Jon. 119 00:05:08,125 --> 00:05:09,500 Jon, nice to meet you. 120 00:05:09,667 --> 00:05:11,000 -And I'm Tom. -Hi, Tom. 121 00:05:11,167 --> 00:05:12,583 JON: My name is Jonathan Dover. 122 00:05:12,708 --> 00:05:14,875 I spent 27 years 123 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:19,167 as a, uh, archeological resource investigator 124 00:05:19,292 --> 00:05:22,167 with the Navajo Nation Rangers. 125 00:05:22,250 --> 00:05:23,833 KANDUS: Oh, wow. 126 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,000 Yeah, this place is amazing. 127 00:05:26,083 --> 00:05:30,167 JON: This is one place of a whole bunch of places 128 00:05:30,292 --> 00:05:32,500 that have petroglyphs 129 00:05:32,625 --> 00:05:36,083 that were put on these rocks a thousand years ago 130 00:05:36,208 --> 00:05:37,958 or even earlier than that. 131 00:05:38,042 --> 00:05:39,667 Mm-hmm. 132 00:05:39,750 --> 00:05:41,667 JON: The ancient people that populated 133 00:05:41,833 --> 00:05:45,458 this place and some of the other places around here show 134 00:05:45,583 --> 00:05:47,333 that the natives back then 135 00:05:47,500 --> 00:05:50,500 were seeing unusual things happening 136 00:05:50,625 --> 00:05:52,500 and were recording them, too. 137 00:05:52,667 --> 00:05:56,333 There's a lot of information that's put on these rocks 138 00:05:56,500 --> 00:05:59,792 and they are put on in successive "timescape." 139 00:05:59,875 --> 00:06:04,167 Everybody that came through would add something to it. 140 00:06:04,250 --> 00:06:06,417 They're a record and... 141 00:06:06,542 --> 00:06:09,292 unusual things would be documented on them. 142 00:06:09,417 --> 00:06:12,625 They could depict clans, they could depict Gods, 143 00:06:12,750 --> 00:06:17,000 they could even depict maps of the area. 144 00:06:17,125 --> 00:06:21,417 Yeah, we have a few small panels at the ranch and we're really 145 00:06:21,542 --> 00:06:23,333 trying to tie anything together that's in this region 146 00:06:23,500 --> 00:06:25,625 to the ranch, to see if there's 147 00:06:25,708 --> 00:06:27,625 connections or anything that we could draw 148 00:06:27,750 --> 00:06:28,958 lines to. 149 00:06:29,083 --> 00:06:30,750 We'll definitely see some connections here. 150 00:06:30,875 --> 00:06:31,625 KANDUS: Excellent. 151 00:06:31,750 --> 00:06:33,292 If we go further down here, 152 00:06:33,417 --> 00:06:35,333 we're going to take a look at one of them. 153 00:06:35,458 --> 00:06:37,583 -TOM: Great. -Show us the way. 154 00:06:37,708 --> 00:06:39,458 Wow. 155 00:06:39,583 --> 00:06:42,167 Here is the most interesting one that I've found so far, 156 00:06:42,250 --> 00:06:45,542 is this spiral right here. 157 00:06:45,667 --> 00:06:48,333 The spiral seems to be universal. 158 00:06:48,458 --> 00:06:50,208 All through 159 00:06:50,333 --> 00:06:52,167 the United States, through the Southwest, 160 00:06:52,333 --> 00:06:54,375 in Europe, in Africa. 161 00:06:54,542 --> 00:06:58,375 Some archeologists tell me that this spiral 162 00:06:58,500 --> 00:07:01,625 could refer to some kind of a portal. 163 00:07:01,708 --> 00:07:03,833 -A portal? -JON: Yeah, a portal. 164 00:07:03,958 --> 00:07:05,583 Okay. 165 00:07:05,708 --> 00:07:08,333 JON: And, uh, we think that there's something 166 00:07:08,500 --> 00:07:09,667 called infrasound. 167 00:07:09,833 --> 00:07:13,458 Which is different frequencies of sound 168 00:07:13,583 --> 00:07:17,167 that you can't detect them with human hearing. 169 00:07:17,292 --> 00:07:19,500 And we believe that it's very possible 170 00:07:19,625 --> 00:07:22,000 that these different frequencies 171 00:07:22,167 --> 00:07:25,875 can open portals to other places. 172 00:07:27,333 --> 00:07:28,833 TRAVIS: For two years now, 173 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,167 all over Skinwalker Ranch we've seen this strange signal 174 00:07:32,333 --> 00:07:35,083 with an RF frequency of 1.6 gigahertz. 175 00:07:36,375 --> 00:07:37,667 BRYANT: We've got liftoff. 176 00:07:37,750 --> 00:07:39,583 TRAVIS: Oh, my God, during launch 177 00:07:39,708 --> 00:07:41,417 the electromagnetic spectrum is going 178 00:07:41,542 --> 00:07:43,458 crazy, guys-- I've never seen anything like it. 179 00:07:43,542 --> 00:07:45,833 No technology that we know of 180 00:07:45,917 --> 00:07:49,792 uses this specific 1.6 gigahertz frequency, 181 00:07:49,875 --> 00:07:51,667 but we often see it when people have 182 00:07:51,750 --> 00:07:53,708 physiological episodes on the ranch, 183 00:07:53,833 --> 00:07:56,875 and also, when we've seen UAPs. 184 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,542 Now, the idea that UAP and strange frequencies 185 00:08:00,708 --> 00:08:04,000 are somehow connected to a phenomenon like a portal, 186 00:08:04,125 --> 00:08:05,458 is very interesting, 187 00:08:05,542 --> 00:08:07,833 especially since many of the Indigenous people 188 00:08:07,917 --> 00:08:12,125 in this area truly believe that connection exists. 189 00:08:12,208 --> 00:08:16,125 You're saying this is a portal? Or could be a portal? 190 00:08:16,250 --> 00:08:18,583 This very much could be a portal. 191 00:08:19,458 --> 00:08:22,208 The significance of portals 192 00:08:22,375 --> 00:08:24,750 or dimensional gates, if you would... 193 00:08:24,875 --> 00:08:25,833 Mm-hmm. 194 00:08:25,917 --> 00:08:28,708 ...is that the Navajos themselves 195 00:08:28,875 --> 00:08:31,583 talk about a people coming to visit. 196 00:08:31,708 --> 00:08:35,167 Different dimensions are not like walls. 197 00:08:35,333 --> 00:08:36,667 If you can imagine... 198 00:08:37,500 --> 00:08:39,250 ...they're interlaced together. 199 00:08:39,375 --> 00:08:41,042 So, 200 00:08:41,208 --> 00:08:44,708 what if every now and then something just leaks through? 201 00:08:44,875 --> 00:08:46,875 -Mm-hmm. -You could travel, 202 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,542 -we just don't know how to do it. -Yeah. 203 00:08:48,708 --> 00:08:50,750 Even the Navajo creation story 204 00:08:50,875 --> 00:08:54,167 talks about coming through several different worlds 205 00:08:54,333 --> 00:08:56,500 until they see a hole in the sky 206 00:08:56,583 --> 00:08:59,875 and they climb up into this world. 207 00:09:00,875 --> 00:09:03,917 We think that there's something going on with frequency... 208 00:09:04,667 --> 00:09:07,083 ...that is creating this effect. 209 00:09:07,208 --> 00:09:08,667 Wow. 210 00:09:08,833 --> 00:09:10,875 There's a lot more we need to look at up here. 211 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,167 -All right. -So, we'll move along here. 212 00:09:15,292 --> 00:09:18,083 TOM: As we were looking at this spiral petroglyph 213 00:09:18,208 --> 00:09:20,667 described as a portal, Kandus and I realized 214 00:09:20,750 --> 00:09:22,667 there is some sort of connection here 215 00:09:22,833 --> 00:09:24,833 with what's happening on the ranch 216 00:09:24,958 --> 00:09:27,375 and possibly at the triangle. 217 00:09:27,542 --> 00:09:29,750 We've heard a lot of 218 00:09:29,875 --> 00:09:32,417 very interesting stories about seeing portals 219 00:09:32,542 --> 00:09:34,125 that opened right above people's heads 220 00:09:34,250 --> 00:09:38,000 and figures coming out of these portals. 221 00:09:38,833 --> 00:09:40,167 -It's amazing. -JON: Yeah. 222 00:09:40,292 --> 00:09:42,292 KANDUS: Oh, yeah. I see it. 223 00:09:42,375 --> 00:09:45,583 -TOM: Oh, and that's like a human... -KANDUS: It's another figure. 224 00:09:45,708 --> 00:09:48,000 One thing I've just thought about is, you know, 225 00:09:48,125 --> 00:09:50,333 just on this rock wall right here, 226 00:09:50,458 --> 00:09:52,458 and it is speculation and inference... 227 00:09:52,542 --> 00:09:53,958 -Right. -TOM: But... 228 00:09:54,042 --> 00:09:56,333 we could have a skinwalker shape-shifter. 229 00:09:56,417 --> 00:09:57,875 We could have... 230 00:09:58,042 --> 00:09:59,708 -aliens. -Somebody coming through another dimension. 231 00:09:59,875 --> 00:10:02,667 -Through other dimensions. -JON: Right. 232 00:10:02,833 --> 00:10:05,125 The idea of Navajo skinwalkers, 233 00:10:05,208 --> 00:10:08,833 gods coming from the sky, 234 00:10:08,958 --> 00:10:10,875 even UFOs, 235 00:10:11,042 --> 00:10:13,792 all had one thing in common and that's this idea 236 00:10:13,875 --> 00:10:17,000 of dimensions and portals, 237 00:10:17,083 --> 00:10:20,417 and it's the one thing that ties everything together. 238 00:10:20,542 --> 00:10:22,500 With the spirals back here that you were 239 00:10:22,667 --> 00:10:25,917 talking about could be indicative of-of a portal, 240 00:10:26,042 --> 00:10:27,833 it could be that it was right here 241 00:10:27,958 --> 00:10:29,458 or maybe off in the distance? 242 00:10:29,542 --> 00:10:30,875 What do you think? 243 00:10:31,042 --> 00:10:33,000 It-it could be a whole range of things. 244 00:10:33,083 --> 00:10:34,333 We've actually 245 00:10:34,458 --> 00:10:38,458 had stories involving UAPs that have 246 00:10:38,542 --> 00:10:42,083 entered into mesas... 247 00:10:43,750 --> 00:10:46,625 ...and just gone right into the rock. 248 00:10:53,875 --> 00:10:56,083 This idea of portals, of dimensions, 249 00:10:56,208 --> 00:11:00,833 it all ties together, and that's what we're seeing with a lot 250 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,375 of these places and I think that's what you're 251 00:11:03,500 --> 00:11:05,667 experiencing in the Uinta Basin there. 252 00:11:05,792 --> 00:11:09,750 A lot of phenomenon that's associated 253 00:11:09,875 --> 00:11:11,625 with cross-dimensional things going on. 254 00:11:11,708 --> 00:11:14,167 KANDUS: Wow. We'd really love 255 00:11:14,250 --> 00:11:17,000 to have you come to the ranch and look at a few things. 256 00:11:17,083 --> 00:11:18,542 Based on what you've told us today 257 00:11:18,708 --> 00:11:20,292 and your interpretation of these panels, 258 00:11:20,375 --> 00:11:23,500 I think there's a good chance that the same 259 00:11:23,625 --> 00:11:25,125 people that were here 260 00:11:25,250 --> 00:11:27,625 could've very well been on our ranch at one point. 261 00:11:27,750 --> 00:11:30,125 I think we'd both benefit 262 00:11:30,208 --> 00:11:33,667 from you coming to the ranch and giving your insight to 263 00:11:33,750 --> 00:11:35,708 -what we've seen there. -TOM: We have some 264 00:11:35,833 --> 00:11:38,167 very interesting things right on the Skinwalker Ranch. 265 00:11:38,250 --> 00:11:40,292 It might be things you've never seen before, so... 266 00:11:40,417 --> 00:11:42,750 -I'd love to come over there. -KANDUS: Great. 267 00:11:42,875 --> 00:11:44,667 TOM: Lead the way. 268 00:11:50,042 --> 00:11:52,167 TRAVIS: I think we should stop right here. 269 00:11:52,292 --> 00:11:54,500 Because of what happened last year with the sensors 270 00:11:54,583 --> 00:11:56,000 on Brandon's helicopter 271 00:11:56,167 --> 00:11:57,792 detecting an object right below us, 272 00:11:57,875 --> 00:12:00,750 and also, what happened just two weeks ago 273 00:12:00,875 --> 00:12:03,792 when we dropped GPS units into the triangle anomaly 274 00:12:03,875 --> 00:12:05,458 which appeared to just bounce off 275 00:12:05,583 --> 00:12:08,167 of an invisible object in the sky above the ranch... 276 00:12:08,250 --> 00:12:10,667 -Hey, Kendra, how are you? -Hey. 277 00:12:10,792 --> 00:12:12,125 TRAVIS: ...we really wanted to go further 278 00:12:12,208 --> 00:12:13,667 with attempting to map that anomaly. 279 00:12:13,792 --> 00:12:14,833 So, to conduct today's experiment 280 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,833 above the triangle area, 281 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,958 Cameron Fugal put us in touch with a pilot named Kendra Hart 282 00:12:20,042 --> 00:12:21,958 who's agreed to take Erik up in her Cessna 283 00:12:22,042 --> 00:12:23,833 to help us collect our data. 284 00:12:23,958 --> 00:12:26,583 Since you fly out here, have you flown over the property? 285 00:12:26,708 --> 00:12:28,208 The ranch itself? 286 00:12:28,333 --> 00:12:29,625 I have not. 287 00:12:29,750 --> 00:12:31,625 Most of my students stay further west and so, 288 00:12:31,708 --> 00:12:33,208 this will be my first time this far out east 289 00:12:33,333 --> 00:12:34,792 and especially over the ranch, so... 290 00:12:34,917 --> 00:12:36,333 -ERIK: Really? -Yeah, it will be my first time. 291 00:12:36,458 --> 00:12:38,208 -ERIK: First time? -First time. -TRAVIS: So... 292 00:12:38,333 --> 00:12:41,917 What we want to do is fly from here over to the ranch. 293 00:12:42,042 --> 00:12:43,667 When you get there, 294 00:12:43,792 --> 00:12:45,833 we would like for you to do a grid pattern, 295 00:12:45,917 --> 00:12:48,333 at, uh, five different altitudes. 296 00:12:48,458 --> 00:12:50,250 Erik will show you the points of interest, 297 00:12:50,375 --> 00:12:52,375 but there's a triangle right in the middle of the property 298 00:12:52,500 --> 00:12:54,833 and directly above that, 299 00:12:54,958 --> 00:12:57,833 between, say, 2,500 and 5,000 feet, 300 00:12:57,958 --> 00:12:59,667 we've seen some weird things. 301 00:12:59,792 --> 00:13:01,667 -KENDRA: Okay. -And, so we're hoping to get 302 00:13:01,750 --> 00:13:04,000 some instrumentation in that area 303 00:13:04,167 --> 00:13:05,917 and see if we can figure out what those weird things are. 304 00:13:06,042 --> 00:13:08,083 -Awesome. -TRAVIS: One thing that, 305 00:13:08,208 --> 00:13:11,000 uh, not to scare you, but occasionally, 306 00:13:11,125 --> 00:13:12,708 when people are on the ranch and even 307 00:13:12,833 --> 00:13:14,917 above the ranch have 308 00:13:15,042 --> 00:13:17,708 sort of a physiological response to being there. 309 00:13:17,875 --> 00:13:19,500 If you start feeling anything at any point, 310 00:13:19,625 --> 00:13:20,792 you know, you're the pilot, 311 00:13:20,917 --> 00:13:22,542 if it's time to abort the mission 312 00:13:22,708 --> 00:13:24,625 'cause you got a weird feeling, then you abort the mission. 313 00:13:24,750 --> 00:13:26,083 -All right? -Mm-hmm. 314 00:13:26,208 --> 00:13:28,542 Well, we've got some work to do to get ready to go 315 00:13:28,667 --> 00:13:29,833 and you may have some flight prep 316 00:13:29,958 --> 00:13:31,292 -or something. -Absolutely. 317 00:13:31,375 --> 00:13:33,542 So, we'll be maybe in and out of the cargo area 318 00:13:33,667 --> 00:13:36,333 -for the next couple minutes and then we'll be ready to go. -Okay. 319 00:13:36,417 --> 00:13:38,375 -Let's get it done. -TRAVIS: All right, Erik, let's grab everything. 320 00:13:38,500 --> 00:13:41,250 ERIK: I'll be going up in the Cessna aircraft today 321 00:13:41,375 --> 00:13:42,917 with some GPS trackers 322 00:13:43,042 --> 00:13:45,125 and a data-logging radiation meter, 323 00:13:45,208 --> 00:13:48,208 our standard equipment set including our spectrum analyzer, 324 00:13:48,375 --> 00:13:49,875 Geiger counter 325 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,958 and other local equipment to observe whether 326 00:13:53,083 --> 00:13:55,083 there are any GPS anomalies 327 00:13:55,208 --> 00:13:57,708 up near the 5,000-foot point over the triangle. 328 00:13:57,833 --> 00:13:59,500 TRAVIS: All right. 329 00:13:59,583 --> 00:14:01,833 I'm gonna close it up and then go put it in the plane. 330 00:14:01,958 --> 00:14:03,500 Sounds good. 331 00:14:03,625 --> 00:14:05,333 TRAVIS: Today, the plan is to fly 332 00:14:05,417 --> 00:14:08,333 the Cessna in a sequential push broom pattern over the ranch 333 00:14:08,458 --> 00:14:11,167 sweeping back and forth over the triangle 334 00:14:11,292 --> 00:14:14,000 at various altitudes. At the same time, 335 00:14:14,125 --> 00:14:16,417 using the GPS sensors to collect data 336 00:14:16,542 --> 00:14:18,667 that we hope will give us a three-dimensional model 337 00:14:18,792 --> 00:14:20,458 of the anomaly 338 00:14:20,583 --> 00:14:22,958 that we believe is up there somewhere between 339 00:14:23,042 --> 00:14:25,875 3,000 and 5,000 feet above the ground. 340 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,875 -What do you got there? -This is your headset. 341 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,750 -ERIK: Got it. -Okay, and then, this is the radio 342 00:14:31,875 --> 00:14:34,000 that we are using for the radio source. 343 00:14:34,083 --> 00:14:36,833 ERIK: For this experiment, we're also making use of 344 00:14:36,917 --> 00:14:39,000 a new avionic comm system, 345 00:14:39,167 --> 00:14:40,708 making it easier for us to directly 346 00:14:40,833 --> 00:14:43,042 communicate from the aircraft to the ground. 347 00:14:43,167 --> 00:14:45,542 I'm gonna head back over to the ranch. 348 00:14:45,667 --> 00:14:48,000 You guys get in the air. We're burning daylight, right? 349 00:14:48,083 --> 00:14:50,250 -See you. -All right, see you in a bit. 350 00:15:12,083 --> 00:15:14,208 ERIK: While I'm in the plane above the ranch, 351 00:15:14,333 --> 00:15:16,458 the rest of the team will be monitoring from below. 352 00:15:16,583 --> 00:15:19,458 I'm really excited to see what happens 353 00:15:19,542 --> 00:15:21,250 during the course of the experiment. 354 00:15:29,500 --> 00:15:31,208 THOMAS: I've got these antennas running. 355 00:15:31,375 --> 00:15:34,333 -This is going out to the two jaggies. -Okay. 356 00:15:34,458 --> 00:15:37,583 Once she gets over here, we should, uh, 357 00:15:37,708 --> 00:15:39,458 see her start tracking on there. 358 00:15:39,542 --> 00:15:40,833 THOMAS: Okay. 359 00:15:40,958 --> 00:15:42,125 We're going to monitor this experiment 360 00:15:42,208 --> 00:15:43,458 with a couple of different systems. 361 00:15:43,542 --> 00:15:45,542 First, we have an ADSB. 362 00:15:45,708 --> 00:15:48,167 Now, that identifies all the air traffic flying 363 00:15:48,250 --> 00:15:51,125 in the vicinity of the ranch and shows them on a map. 364 00:15:51,208 --> 00:15:53,083 We've also mounted two antennas 365 00:15:53,208 --> 00:15:54,667 on the deck of the command center. 366 00:15:54,792 --> 00:15:56,583 Those are pointed at the triangle 367 00:15:56,708 --> 00:15:59,500 to track the signals being broadcast from Kendra's plane 368 00:15:59,625 --> 00:16:01,167 as well as scan 369 00:16:01,250 --> 00:16:02,833 for any dangerous energy spikes 370 00:16:02,958 --> 00:16:04,542 like we've detected there in the past. 371 00:16:04,667 --> 00:16:07,417 All right, great. Ah, let me get this going. 372 00:16:08,417 --> 00:16:10,500 There it is, got it. All right, both are... 373 00:16:10,583 --> 00:16:13,333 Both antennas and radios are functioning properly. 374 00:16:14,333 --> 00:16:15,708 Hey, Kaleb. 375 00:16:15,875 --> 00:16:17,792 This is the command center, do you copy? 376 00:16:17,875 --> 00:16:19,667 Go ahead. 377 00:16:19,833 --> 00:16:21,292 Start keeping an eye out, 378 00:16:21,375 --> 00:16:23,417 probably five to ten minutes before we see them. 379 00:16:23,542 --> 00:16:26,583 10-4. You guys will be the first to know. 380 00:16:48,542 --> 00:16:51,458 This may be them right here 'cause this looks like... 381 00:16:51,583 --> 00:16:53,042 would this be Roosevelt right here? 382 00:16:53,208 --> 00:16:55,917 No. So, Roosevelt Airport is about right here. 383 00:16:56,042 --> 00:16:58,083 Oh, then why are we not seeing their ADSB take off? 384 00:16:58,208 --> 00:16:59,417 I don't understand that. 385 00:16:59,542 --> 00:17:01,542 THOMAS: We're not getting them. 386 00:17:01,667 --> 00:17:05,333 TRAVIS: So, we need to make sure that their, uh, ADSB is transponding. 387 00:17:05,458 --> 00:17:08,333 Even though the Cessna was approaching the ranch, 388 00:17:08,458 --> 00:17:11,042 it never showed up on the ADSB system. 389 00:17:11,167 --> 00:17:14,167 All the other air traffic in the area appeared on the map, 390 00:17:14,250 --> 00:17:16,000 and I could see with our antenna set up 391 00:17:16,167 --> 00:17:18,000 that she was still broadcasting. 392 00:17:18,167 --> 00:17:20,208 What could cause Kendra's plane 393 00:17:20,375 --> 00:17:22,042 not to show up on the ADSB like that? 394 00:17:22,167 --> 00:17:23,583 It makes no sense. 395 00:17:23,708 --> 00:17:26,000 -Why are we not... -We're not picking them up. 396 00:17:34,708 --> 00:17:36,000 Here. 397 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,417 Hey, Erik, this is Travis, do you copy? 398 00:17:42,042 --> 00:17:45,167 We-we are not seeing you on the ADSB. 399 00:17:49,042 --> 00:17:51,333 I wonder if Kaleb's gotten eyes on them. 400 00:17:51,417 --> 00:17:53,167 Yeah, call Kaleb and ask him. 401 00:17:56,583 --> 00:17:57,875 Go ahead. 402 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,000 Have you gotten eyes on the plane yet? 403 00:18:00,083 --> 00:18:02,083 10-4. 404 00:18:02,208 --> 00:18:05,042 It's, uh, going over the property now. 405 00:18:16,542 --> 00:18:18,458 THOMAS: What the heck is going on up there? 406 00:18:25,667 --> 00:18:29,333 So... why are we not picking her up? 407 00:18:30,708 --> 00:18:32,167 Hey, Erik, it's Bryant. 408 00:18:32,333 --> 00:18:36,333 We are still not picking you up on the flight tracker. 409 00:18:36,417 --> 00:18:40,667 Do you have any other traffic on the display right now? 410 00:18:40,792 --> 00:18:42,417 -Tell him yes. -Yes, we do. 411 00:18:42,542 --> 00:18:45,083 We are seeing all sorts of air traffic. 412 00:18:47,125 --> 00:18:49,083 But she's broadcasting on the ADSB. 413 00:18:49,208 --> 00:18:50,667 I'm watching her. 414 00:18:50,750 --> 00:18:52,667 This is her, right here with both antennas. 415 00:18:52,792 --> 00:18:54,250 She's broadcasting... 416 00:18:54,375 --> 00:18:55,458 -Yeah, I can see that. -TRAVIS: ...the signal. 417 00:18:57,042 --> 00:18:58,250 THOMAS: I mean, this is picking up 418 00:18:58,375 --> 00:19:00,417 planes that are a hundred miles away 419 00:19:00,542 --> 00:19:02,167 -and 30,000 feet up. -TRAVIS: That doesn't... 420 00:19:02,292 --> 00:19:03,875 That doesn't make any sense. 421 00:19:05,583 --> 00:19:08,333 I had antennas that were tuned to that frequency, 422 00:19:08,500 --> 00:19:11,208 and I could pick up the signal coming from the airplane, 423 00:19:11,333 --> 00:19:12,333 but for some reason 424 00:19:12,458 --> 00:19:14,708 her system isn't working. 425 00:19:14,833 --> 00:19:17,250 This is what's so weird about the ranch. 426 00:19:17,375 --> 00:19:19,458 One thing we do know is, 427 00:19:19,583 --> 00:19:23,917 uh, her system does record the ADSB data, 428 00:19:24,042 --> 00:19:26,375 and even though we will get a text file 429 00:19:26,500 --> 00:19:30,667 that we can reinterpret after the flight, but I wanted it now. 430 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,500 TRAVIS: It wasn't ideal, 431 00:19:33,583 --> 00:19:36,833 but we knew that Erik was collecting GPS data 432 00:19:36,958 --> 00:19:40,792 and Kendra was recording the ADSB data. 433 00:19:40,917 --> 00:19:43,917 We hoped that would be enough to salvage some of this experiment. 434 00:19:44,042 --> 00:19:45,667 So should I still keep going over or...? 435 00:19:45,750 --> 00:19:46,792 ERIK: Oh, yeah. 436 00:19:53,958 --> 00:19:55,792 Over the middle of the triangle. 437 00:19:55,875 --> 00:19:57,708 -All right. -THOMAS: Got it. 438 00:19:57,833 --> 00:20:00,167 Wait, is that-- There they are. Right there, look. 439 00:20:00,250 --> 00:20:01,833 Thomas, in the middle. Look in the middle. 440 00:20:01,958 --> 00:20:03,167 -Look way up there. -Okay, yup. 441 00:20:03,250 --> 00:20:04,167 TRAVIS: There they are, right there. 442 00:20:04,250 --> 00:20:06,375 November 8-4-7-1-7, 443 00:20:06,500 --> 00:20:08,833 could you tell us your pressure altitude, please? 444 00:20:12,375 --> 00:20:13,750 TRAVIS: So, that's... 445 00:20:13,875 --> 00:20:15,833 Going up to 4,000 feet above ground level. 446 00:20:15,958 --> 00:20:17,167 Gosh, she's moving fast. 447 00:20:18,542 --> 00:20:20,708 Thomas, I got them coming in eastbound 448 00:20:20,875 --> 00:20:22,333 over the triangle again. 449 00:20:23,458 --> 00:20:25,167 TRAVIS: While Erik and Kendra were continuing 450 00:20:25,250 --> 00:20:27,167 their pattern sweep above the triangle, 451 00:20:27,250 --> 00:20:29,333 all we could do back in the command center 452 00:20:29,458 --> 00:20:32,333 was just hope that they were getting data that we could use. 453 00:20:33,458 --> 00:20:36,250 Hopefully, the GPS trackers are the saving grace 454 00:20:36,375 --> 00:20:38,000 for this experiment, because we're not getting 455 00:20:38,125 --> 00:20:39,458 -what we want out of this. -Yeah, 456 00:20:39,542 --> 00:20:41,833 I'm hoping I can salvage something out of it. 457 00:20:41,958 --> 00:20:43,250 THOMAS: We have not had 458 00:20:43,375 --> 00:20:45,542 a single experiment out at the triangle, 459 00:20:45,667 --> 00:20:48,667 up in the air, that has gone per plan. 460 00:20:48,792 --> 00:20:51,208 So, what is it about the triangle 461 00:20:51,333 --> 00:20:53,833 and us trying to do experiments at the triangle 462 00:20:53,958 --> 00:20:56,875 that seems to trigger, you know, irregularities? 463 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,333 BRYANT: It seems 464 00:20:58,458 --> 00:21:02,458 like someone or something, doesn't want us 465 00:21:02,542 --> 00:21:03,917 to collect data from the triangle. 466 00:21:05,375 --> 00:21:07,250 That's what it seems like. 467 00:21:07,375 --> 00:21:09,167 It's a pattern. 468 00:21:09,250 --> 00:21:10,792 It's certainly making it hard for us. 469 00:21:19,875 --> 00:21:21,417 Copy that. 470 00:21:22,375 --> 00:21:24,708 (static buzzing) 471 00:21:24,833 --> 00:21:27,042 (static continues) 472 00:21:27,167 --> 00:21:29,542 What happened? What the heck is that? 473 00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:35,292 What just suddenly popped up on... What? 474 00:21:35,375 --> 00:21:37,000 THOMAS: That 1.6. 475 00:21:37,125 --> 00:21:39,042 BRYANT: It was there for a couple seconds, now it's gone. 476 00:21:39,167 --> 00:21:40,000 TRAVIS: It sure as heck was. 477 00:21:40,167 --> 00:21:41,792 (static buzzing) 478 00:21:56,167 --> 00:21:58,250 What are you hearing? 479 00:21:58,375 --> 00:22:00,833 (static buzzing) 480 00:22:06,458 --> 00:22:08,625 All right, what's going on? 481 00:22:08,708 --> 00:22:10,417 -We're not broadcasting anything like that. -TRAVIS: All right. 482 00:22:10,542 --> 00:22:12,583 So, yeah, we're not broadcasting anything like that. 483 00:22:31,792 --> 00:22:36,000 Negative, Erik, there's, uh, nothing within 484 00:22:36,083 --> 00:22:39,500 40, 50 miles of the ranch. 485 00:22:40,417 --> 00:22:42,167 (static buzzing) 486 00:22:42,250 --> 00:22:44,375 Is it another airplane? 487 00:22:53,083 --> 00:22:55,667 TRAVIS: We were all totally mystified 488 00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:59,542 when both Erik and Kendra, the pilot, suddenly reported 489 00:22:59,667 --> 00:23:02,625 that some kind of shadow was tracking along with the Cessna. 490 00:23:02,708 --> 00:23:05,375 BRYANT: That's extremely strange. 491 00:23:05,500 --> 00:23:07,667 TRAVIS: We checked our ADSB system 492 00:23:07,792 --> 00:23:10,167 and there was no other plane in the area. 493 00:23:10,333 --> 00:23:12,250 It immediately made me think of last year 494 00:23:12,375 --> 00:23:13,833 when Erik and I were 495 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,500 in the helicopter with Cameron Fugal 496 00:23:15,625 --> 00:23:17,917 over the triangle and something showed up 497 00:23:18,042 --> 00:23:19,958 on his radar just 50 feet beneath us. 498 00:23:20,083 --> 00:23:22,625 (alert buzzing) 499 00:23:22,750 --> 00:23:24,917 There's something underneath us according to the radar. 500 00:23:25,625 --> 00:23:28,167 That we later identified in camera footage 501 00:23:28,292 --> 00:23:30,958 as some kind of shadowy UAP. 502 00:23:31,792 --> 00:23:34,250 THOMAS: Kaleb, do you have eyes 503 00:23:34,375 --> 00:23:35,500 on a second aircraft? 504 00:23:35,625 --> 00:23:38,083 I am scanning now. 505 00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:46,583 TRAVIS: Look at that. The 1.6 is going crazy. 506 00:23:46,708 --> 00:23:49,500 -(static buzzing) -I don't know what that is. 507 00:23:50,833 --> 00:23:53,208 TRAVIS: In the middle of all this chaos, once again 508 00:23:53,375 --> 00:23:56,792 the spectrum analyzer suddenly registered an RF radiation spike 509 00:23:56,875 --> 00:24:00,458 at a frequency of 1.6 gigahertz. 510 00:24:00,542 --> 00:24:02,542 Now, that's the same kind of energy spike 511 00:24:02,667 --> 00:24:06,833 we've seen over and over when UAPs have appeared in the past. 512 00:24:06,917 --> 00:24:10,083 And it happened at the same time Erik and Kendra were seeing 513 00:24:10,208 --> 00:24:12,750 the shadow of some sort of mysterious aircraft. 514 00:24:12,875 --> 00:24:15,125 (static buzzing) 515 00:24:18,542 --> 00:24:19,625 TRAVIS (echoes): What is that? 516 00:24:19,708 --> 00:24:21,833 (echoes): What the heck? 517 00:24:22,875 --> 00:24:24,083 What? 518 00:24:25,208 --> 00:24:27,125 Why is that picking us up? 519 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,250 TRAVIS: Uh... It's picking us all up. 520 00:24:30,375 --> 00:24:33,083 Just after the 1.6 gigahertz RF spike 521 00:24:33,208 --> 00:24:36,625 in the control room, we suddenly heard our own voices 522 00:24:36,708 --> 00:24:40,042 being broadcast and echoing back at us. 523 00:24:40,167 --> 00:24:42,875 Call them and tell them to give me the signal. 524 00:24:45,375 --> 00:24:48,333 (echoing): Stand by, stand by for one moment, please. 525 00:24:48,458 --> 00:24:50,667 TRAVIS: There's no way that should have been possible. 526 00:24:50,792 --> 00:24:52,542 It was like we were being recorded 527 00:24:52,667 --> 00:24:55,292 by someone or something in real time. 528 00:24:55,417 --> 00:24:56,625 (static buzzing) 529 00:24:56,750 --> 00:24:58,875 (echoing): Maybe it's in here. 530 00:25:06,750 --> 00:25:09,042 TRAVIS (echoing): That is telling us that one of us 531 00:25:09,167 --> 00:25:14,042 is broadcasting at 1.623800 gigahertz. 532 00:25:14,167 --> 00:25:16,875 That is really odd. 533 00:25:18,042 --> 00:25:20,542 Erik and I have been having a conversation lately 534 00:25:20,708 --> 00:25:22,667 that we think that there could be 535 00:25:22,750 --> 00:25:25,500 an eavesdropping device here. 536 00:25:26,500 --> 00:25:29,833 Maybe we've been detecting it with the spectrum analyzers. 537 00:25:29,917 --> 00:25:31,500 And it... 538 00:25:31,625 --> 00:25:33,208 That might be it. 539 00:25:33,333 --> 00:25:34,708 Really? 540 00:25:34,875 --> 00:25:36,625 And so, somebody is turning it on and off 541 00:25:36,750 --> 00:25:39,125 which is why we're not seeing it all the time. 542 00:25:39,208 --> 00:25:41,042 Possibly. 543 00:25:41,167 --> 00:25:43,875 The strange energy spike along with the sound frequency 544 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,500 from the radio and our voices being 545 00:25:46,625 --> 00:25:49,500 broadcast and echoing back at us could mean 546 00:25:49,625 --> 00:25:51,750 that we are being surveilled on the ranch. 547 00:25:51,875 --> 00:25:55,042 But what I can't even begin to explain, 548 00:25:55,167 --> 00:25:57,458 especially given that Erik and Kendra saw 549 00:25:57,542 --> 00:25:59,500 what they believed to be a UAP, 550 00:25:59,667 --> 00:26:02,167 is what the source of that surveillance could be. 551 00:26:02,292 --> 00:26:04,500 I'm gonna walk outside and see if somehow it's on me 552 00:26:04,583 --> 00:26:06,250 and then maybe you guys take turns. 553 00:26:06,375 --> 00:26:09,625 So, you go out and talk. 554 00:26:09,708 --> 00:26:11,500 -TRAVIS: Right. -We'll listen for you. 555 00:26:11,625 --> 00:26:14,208 -Okay. Yep. -And then we can send him out there with you. 556 00:26:16,333 --> 00:26:19,875 Hello, can you guys hear me? Hello, testing, testing... 557 00:26:20,042 --> 00:26:21,667 -Well, we can hear him. -Yeah. 558 00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:23,167 BRYANT: This has me really concerned. 559 00:26:23,250 --> 00:26:25,083 The fact that 560 00:26:25,208 --> 00:26:29,208 there is something or someone that could be listening to us 561 00:26:29,333 --> 00:26:33,000 and actually broadcasting our sound back to us again? 562 00:26:34,417 --> 00:26:35,792 Why is this happening? 563 00:26:35,875 --> 00:26:38,500 So, we could still hear you outside. 564 00:26:38,583 --> 00:26:40,000 Huh. 565 00:26:40,167 --> 00:26:42,333 BRYANT: Testing, testing, testing. 566 00:26:42,458 --> 00:26:45,917 Are you guys picking me up at all? Testing, testing. 567 00:26:46,042 --> 00:26:48,875 THOMAS: The most troubling thing for me 568 00:26:49,042 --> 00:26:51,917 was hearing Travis, Bryant 569 00:26:52,042 --> 00:26:54,875 and myself being broadcast over this frequency. 570 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,000 What in the crap does that mean? 571 00:26:57,083 --> 00:26:58,542 THOMAS: I've said before, 572 00:26:58,708 --> 00:27:00,833 is there not any safe place on the ranch? 573 00:27:00,958 --> 00:27:04,750 I would say now, is there any private place on the ranch? 574 00:27:07,625 --> 00:27:09,375 TRAVIS: The signal stopped. 575 00:27:10,333 --> 00:27:12,667 -What have we played with? -What just happened? 576 00:27:12,792 --> 00:27:15,500 TRAVIS: That was really odd. 577 00:27:15,625 --> 00:27:18,042 So, we are descending now... 578 00:27:31,583 --> 00:27:33,083 We were getting this interference 579 00:27:33,208 --> 00:27:35,125 on our, on our comms. 580 00:27:38,042 --> 00:27:40,000 BRYANT: Erik, I don't like that. 581 00:27:40,083 --> 00:27:43,917 I would advise that you come down, from a safety standpoint. 582 00:27:51,875 --> 00:27:54,208 ...head on back to the airport from there. 583 00:28:02,875 --> 00:28:05,000 Well, they're done. That's it. 584 00:28:05,125 --> 00:28:06,458 They're headed back to the airport. 585 00:28:06,583 --> 00:28:08,000 Erik's still got the handheld 586 00:28:08,083 --> 00:28:09,833 if we want to talk to him on his way, 587 00:28:09,917 --> 00:28:11,667 but they'll be at the airport in five or ten minutes. 588 00:28:11,792 --> 00:28:13,458 All right. 589 00:28:13,583 --> 00:28:15,125 TRAVIS: The main bit of data 590 00:28:15,208 --> 00:28:17,458 that we're really looking forward to 591 00:28:17,583 --> 00:28:20,000 is the GPS data that Erik and I put 592 00:28:20,125 --> 00:28:22,333 in the plane, it's collecting it real time 593 00:28:22,458 --> 00:28:24,875 on the computer so we know it's actually working. 594 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,708 And when he gets on the ground and we crunch that, 595 00:28:27,833 --> 00:28:31,667 we're gonna be able to create a GPS anomaly map 596 00:28:31,792 --> 00:28:34,042 over the entire ranch from a thousand feet 597 00:28:34,167 --> 00:28:36,208 to 6,000 feet above ground level. 598 00:28:37,917 --> 00:28:39,333 They'll be there before I get there, 599 00:28:39,417 --> 00:28:40,458 so I probably need to get going. 600 00:28:40,542 --> 00:28:42,125 -Okay. -Okay. 601 00:28:45,250 --> 00:28:47,125 ♪ ♪ 602 00:28:53,042 --> 00:28:54,708 -TOM: Well, hey, Jon. -Hey, hello. 603 00:28:54,875 --> 00:28:56,500 TOM: After meeting 604 00:28:56,667 --> 00:28:59,000 with Jon at McConkie, it was obvious that he needed 605 00:28:59,167 --> 00:29:01,167 to come to Skinwalker Ranch. 606 00:29:01,333 --> 00:29:02,500 His interpretation 607 00:29:02,667 --> 00:29:03,917 of the petroglyphs and pictographs 608 00:29:04,042 --> 00:29:06,250 that are up on the walls at McConkie Ranch 609 00:29:06,375 --> 00:29:09,708 could be really interesting to Erik and Travis. 610 00:29:09,875 --> 00:29:12,208 There's a lot of similarities in what we saw there 611 00:29:12,375 --> 00:29:14,833 and then there are some things here that 612 00:29:14,917 --> 00:29:16,333 I've never seen before and we hope 613 00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:17,792 you can give us some insight on. 614 00:29:17,875 --> 00:29:19,542 Right, I'd love to see them. 615 00:29:19,667 --> 00:29:22,125 Let's jump in the Ranger and head down. 616 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,500 KANDUS: We've found a strange notable location 617 00:29:28,583 --> 00:29:29,958 on top of the mesa, 618 00:29:30,042 --> 00:29:31,708 and we are hoping to get his take 619 00:29:31,875 --> 00:29:33,042 on what it is. 620 00:29:33,167 --> 00:29:34,958 TOM: So, it is just right 621 00:29:35,042 --> 00:29:38,333 kind of at the top of this mesa, so it's a little bit of a hike. 622 00:29:39,250 --> 00:29:40,833 KANDUS: It's important that we explore 623 00:29:40,917 --> 00:29:42,333 what all these sites could mean 624 00:29:42,417 --> 00:29:46,417 in the bigger picture of the ranch. 625 00:29:47,375 --> 00:29:51,292 TOM: Yeah, so, this spot is some sort of mound. 626 00:29:53,917 --> 00:29:56,167 JON: Absolutely amazing. 627 00:29:59,333 --> 00:30:01,250 TOM: The fact that there's all of these stones 628 00:30:01,375 --> 00:30:04,875 around what seems to be some sort of mound 629 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,292 in the very middle. 630 00:30:07,375 --> 00:30:09,208 What do you think? 631 00:30:09,333 --> 00:30:12,917 JON: I get the sense that this is something sacred here. 632 00:30:13,042 --> 00:30:15,042 That it was purpose-built. 633 00:30:15,167 --> 00:30:17,458 I was gonna make a suggestion. 634 00:30:17,542 --> 00:30:18,833 -KANDUS: Mm-hmm. -JON: Um... 635 00:30:18,958 --> 00:30:22,917 In a lot of native cultures, your... 636 00:30:23,042 --> 00:30:26,667 you approach things from a clockwise direction. 637 00:30:26,792 --> 00:30:31,500 So, uh, what I'd like to do is approach this and go around 638 00:30:31,625 --> 00:30:33,167 in a clockwise manner 639 00:30:33,250 --> 00:30:35,125 -and take a look at things. -Okay. 640 00:30:35,208 --> 00:30:40,000 It's just a sign of respect on any type of sacred site 641 00:30:40,083 --> 00:30:43,167 and we just want to honor that here. 642 00:30:43,292 --> 00:30:47,083 If you go counterclockwise, it's kind of a negative thing. 643 00:30:47,208 --> 00:30:49,500 -KANDUS: Let's do that. -Yeah, why don't you lead the way? 644 00:30:52,208 --> 00:30:54,833 JON: We got up to the top of the mesa there 645 00:30:54,958 --> 00:30:57,208 and to me it looked almost like 646 00:30:57,333 --> 00:30:59,917 a Stonehenge-type structure 647 00:31:00,042 --> 00:31:02,958 with these rocks in a circular pattern around there. 648 00:31:03,042 --> 00:31:06,375 Traditional beliefs with the Navajo are 649 00:31:06,542 --> 00:31:08,917 something that is brought up when you're a child. 650 00:31:09,042 --> 00:31:10,458 You grow up 651 00:31:10,583 --> 00:31:12,167 in that there is a certain way to act, 652 00:31:12,292 --> 00:31:13,958 there is a certain way to do things 653 00:31:14,083 --> 00:31:19,125 and so, you would start and go clockwise around it 654 00:31:19,250 --> 00:31:24,083 and come back to it to complete the circle before you entered. 655 00:31:24,208 --> 00:31:28,458 Um, that's just traditional-- most native tribes. 656 00:31:28,542 --> 00:31:31,167 KANDUS: So, I want to stop and show you something 657 00:31:31,333 --> 00:31:33,083 on this boulder. 658 00:31:33,208 --> 00:31:37,500 Maybe you want to step over and look at it here yourself 659 00:31:37,625 --> 00:31:41,125 for just a minute, but there were a few things... 660 00:31:42,083 --> 00:31:44,542 ...that seemed worth noting. 661 00:31:46,625 --> 00:31:47,958 What do you think of those? 662 00:31:48,083 --> 00:31:53,167 What I'm seeing here is four distinct lines 663 00:31:53,292 --> 00:31:55,792 that are carved into this rock 664 00:31:55,917 --> 00:31:58,292 and, uh, typically, 665 00:31:58,375 --> 00:32:00,708 they could be marking periods of time. 666 00:32:00,833 --> 00:32:02,542 We don't know what the time was. 667 00:32:02,708 --> 00:32:04,833 -And then... -And around the side there, you'll see... 668 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,333 You see right where you're standing. 669 00:32:06,417 --> 00:32:08,375 -You see that little... -Yeah. 670 00:32:08,500 --> 00:32:12,042 We understand the erosion here, but that hole... 671 00:32:12,875 --> 00:32:15,333 -Right. -KANDUS: Yeah, so... 672 00:32:17,042 --> 00:32:18,708 That looks like it could be natural? 673 00:32:18,833 --> 00:32:23,000 Well, this one, uh, if you... if you sight through it, 674 00:32:23,083 --> 00:32:24,833 -it's right on the horizon. -KANDUS: Mm-hmm. 675 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,833 JON: When you're looking at it. 676 00:32:26,917 --> 00:32:30,042 And during spring and fall, 677 00:32:30,167 --> 00:32:32,417 when the sun rises, 678 00:32:32,542 --> 00:32:34,750 it-it comes straight through this hole. 679 00:32:34,875 --> 00:32:36,708 TOM: Yeah. 680 00:32:36,875 --> 00:32:38,833 So, what do you believe this is? 681 00:32:38,917 --> 00:32:41,125 -This place? -This is, uh, 682 00:32:41,208 --> 00:32:43,125 is rather interesting. 683 00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:46,542 Uh, when I see mounds like this, 684 00:32:46,708 --> 00:32:49,833 it could be a holy place. 685 00:32:49,958 --> 00:32:52,667 I'm thinking here's a place 686 00:32:52,750 --> 00:32:54,625 where prayers were offered. 687 00:32:54,708 --> 00:32:56,083 A sacred place. 688 00:32:57,875 --> 00:32:59,625 I believe that this area was used 689 00:32:59,708 --> 00:33:02,958 as a talisman to keep the evil on that side. 690 00:33:11,875 --> 00:33:12,500 That's incredible. 691 00:33:12,667 --> 00:33:13,708 Hmm. 692 00:33:13,833 --> 00:33:14,708 JON: I'm thinking there's 693 00:33:14,875 --> 00:33:16,833 definitely something here. 694 00:33:16,958 --> 00:33:19,292 And I-I just, I can... 695 00:33:19,375 --> 00:33:21,792 -I can feel it in my bones, you know? -TOM: Mm-hmm. 696 00:33:21,917 --> 00:33:23,083 Yeah. 697 00:33:23,208 --> 00:33:24,333 JON: Well, let's continue around 698 00:33:24,458 --> 00:33:26,667 -and complete the circle. -KANDUS: Okay. 699 00:33:26,750 --> 00:33:29,917 JON: Looking at this place in its entirety, it struck me 700 00:33:30,042 --> 00:33:31,875 as a holy place. 701 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,458 It could have been used as some kind of protection ceremony 702 00:33:36,542 --> 00:33:40,917 to keep whatever is historically here on Skinwalker Ranch 703 00:33:41,042 --> 00:33:44,375 from traveling over the mesa. 704 00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:48,792 And we have basically a spiral right here... 705 00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:54,125 ...that's been put into this ground here. 706 00:33:54,250 --> 00:33:57,750 TOM: And as we've seen today at McConkie 707 00:33:57,875 --> 00:33:59,708 and maybe here, that spiral 708 00:33:59,833 --> 00:34:01,417 is indicative of... 709 00:34:01,542 --> 00:34:04,708 A portal, a dimensional rift, an opening. 710 00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:09,708 JON: The ancient people that populated this land 711 00:34:09,833 --> 00:34:11,667 knew of this place. 712 00:34:11,792 --> 00:34:15,458 There's evil there, there is something that can kill you, 713 00:34:15,583 --> 00:34:20,167 whether it's skinwalkers or some kind of malignant power. 714 00:34:20,333 --> 00:34:22,083 So, it doesn't strike me 715 00:34:22,208 --> 00:34:26,917 as unusual, this spiritual idea, this warding off 716 00:34:27,042 --> 00:34:28,750 of what could come that way. 717 00:34:28,875 --> 00:34:30,167 TOM: So, Jon, 718 00:34:30,292 --> 00:34:32,167 you've enlightened us so much 719 00:34:32,250 --> 00:34:34,333 and given us so much more to work on, 720 00:34:34,458 --> 00:34:36,375 and added greatly to our investigation, so... 721 00:34:36,500 --> 00:34:38,500 -Well, good, good. I'm glad. -Yeah. 722 00:34:38,625 --> 00:34:40,333 Thank you for having me out here. 723 00:34:40,458 --> 00:34:43,667 Thank you for coming and spending this much time with us. 724 00:34:43,792 --> 00:34:45,208 Yeah, let's head back down. 725 00:34:55,125 --> 00:34:56,708 ERIK: We're going to take a look at 726 00:34:56,833 --> 00:35:00,958 the data that we got out of the experiment with the Cessna. 727 00:35:01,042 --> 00:35:03,083 I've got our own data. 728 00:35:03,208 --> 00:35:05,042 We also have some data from the pilot. 729 00:35:05,167 --> 00:35:06,708 Oh, good. 730 00:35:06,833 --> 00:35:08,500 TRAVIS: The day after our Cessna experiment 731 00:35:08,583 --> 00:35:11,708 over the triangle, Erik has all the data sorted out. 732 00:35:11,833 --> 00:35:14,333 So, we're eager to see what he was able to collect, 733 00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:17,333 given all the bizarre things that happened during the flight. 734 00:35:17,417 --> 00:35:19,542 I'm glad that you had instruments on board 735 00:35:19,667 --> 00:35:21,000 because we got bubkes of data here. 736 00:35:21,083 --> 00:35:22,708 Right. 737 00:35:22,833 --> 00:35:25,000 Now, I know, during the course of the experiment, 738 00:35:25,125 --> 00:35:28,500 we could never pick her up on the radar. 739 00:35:28,625 --> 00:35:29,833 You're talking about the ADSB receiver? 740 00:35:29,917 --> 00:35:31,458 -Yeah. -THOMAS: Yeah. 741 00:35:31,542 --> 00:35:34,167 Yeah, we saw you leave Roosevelt and go back to Roosevelt, 742 00:35:34,292 --> 00:35:35,750 -but that's it. -ERIK: Right after 743 00:35:35,875 --> 00:35:37,958 all the frustrations I know we had on the ground. 744 00:35:38,083 --> 00:35:41,125 I mean, the stuff that I got out of the actual data logging, 745 00:35:41,250 --> 00:35:42,833 it's really perplexing. 746 00:35:42,958 --> 00:35:44,458 Get this. 747 00:35:44,542 --> 00:35:46,083 These little guys, they receive signals 748 00:35:46,208 --> 00:35:47,792 directly from the satellites. 749 00:35:47,875 --> 00:35:49,208 They're GPS tracker units. 750 00:35:49,375 --> 00:35:51,917 I had five of these things on the flight. 751 00:35:52,042 --> 00:35:56,958 The data from four of the five was either absent or garbled. 752 00:35:57,042 --> 00:35:58,500 And get this. 753 00:35:58,583 --> 00:36:01,000 The one that worked, it's flawless. 754 00:36:01,083 --> 00:36:03,500 This is really suggestive 755 00:36:03,583 --> 00:36:05,833 that there is something locally going on here. 756 00:36:06,583 --> 00:36:07,833 TRAVIS: Well, let's see it. 757 00:36:07,958 --> 00:36:10,167 Yeah, let me bring this up. 758 00:36:14,875 --> 00:36:17,375 ERIK: So, here we are at the Roosevelt airstrip. 759 00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:19,208 And we did, just as planned, 760 00:36:19,375 --> 00:36:22,833 we did several altitudes making those S-turns 761 00:36:22,958 --> 00:36:25,792 and, uh, doing what we call the push broom pattern. 762 00:36:25,875 --> 00:36:28,500 TRAVIS: So, you said that her system data-logged... 763 00:36:28,625 --> 00:36:30,417 -ERIK: Uh-huh. -...uh, on board. So, what did it show? 764 00:36:30,542 --> 00:36:32,125 You're not going to believe this. 765 00:36:32,208 --> 00:36:35,542 So, this is what one of our units got. 766 00:36:35,667 --> 00:36:39,250 -And as I said, it looks pristine. -TRAVIS: It really does. 767 00:36:39,375 --> 00:36:40,583 THOMAS: I don't see anything in that, 768 00:36:40,708 --> 00:36:42,333 that looks like anything jumped out of... 769 00:36:42,458 --> 00:36:43,792 BRYANT: I mean, yeah. 770 00:36:43,917 --> 00:36:45,458 Now, you guys are not gonna believe this. 771 00:36:45,542 --> 00:36:47,958 Let me show you what I received from Kendra. 772 00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:53,375 BRYANT: Uh... is that under the ranch? 773 00:36:53,542 --> 00:36:55,292 ERIK: So, yeah. I need to explain this. 774 00:36:55,375 --> 00:36:56,500 TRAVIS: Look at that. 775 00:36:56,625 --> 00:36:58,000 -Uh-huh. -That's interesting. 776 00:36:58,083 --> 00:36:59,417 ERIK: Just as you saw 777 00:36:59,542 --> 00:37:02,125 with the yellow tracks from our trackers, 778 00:37:02,208 --> 00:37:04,625 uh, you see the flight out. 779 00:37:04,750 --> 00:37:06,458 -Mm-hmm. -Okay? 780 00:37:06,542 --> 00:37:08,292 She's taking this path. 781 00:37:08,417 --> 00:37:12,042 We execute one loop, if you will, over the property 782 00:37:12,167 --> 00:37:13,625 and then everything falls apart. 783 00:37:15,708 --> 00:37:16,500 (scoffs) 784 00:37:16,583 --> 00:37:19,667 Many of the altitude readings 785 00:37:19,792 --> 00:37:21,792 that she reported were 786 00:37:21,875 --> 00:37:25,625 far beneath the ground; in fact, beneath sea level. 787 00:37:28,458 --> 00:37:30,708 And not just beneath sea level, but 62 and a half 788 00:37:30,833 --> 00:37:32,333 miles below sea level. 789 00:37:37,375 --> 00:37:39,333 -TRAVIS: 62 and a half miles? -ERIK: Yes. 790 00:37:39,417 --> 00:37:43,583 62 and a half miles is the altitude above sea level 791 00:37:43,708 --> 00:37:47,792 that is considered the von Kármán line 792 00:37:47,875 --> 00:37:49,667 where you go from atmosphere to space. 793 00:37:50,708 --> 00:37:52,792 THOMAS: And that's exactly 62 and a half? 794 00:37:52,875 --> 00:37:54,792 And this is-is exactly 62 and a half miles. 795 00:37:54,875 --> 00:37:56,917 So, why did this choose 62 and a half miles 796 00:37:57,042 --> 00:37:58,292 under the ground? 797 00:37:58,375 --> 00:38:00,708 What do you get when you go there? 798 00:38:00,833 --> 00:38:03,208 That is weird, though. 799 00:38:03,375 --> 00:38:05,375 But this also is not the first time we've had 800 00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:08,750 -GPS telling instrumentation that it's underground. -ERIK: Below ground. 801 00:38:08,875 --> 00:38:10,708 -I know. That's right. -ERIK: That's the point. 802 00:38:10,833 --> 00:38:14,333 ERIK: These blue cubes appear to be 803 00:38:14,458 --> 00:38:17,250 70 feet below the surface of the mesa. 804 00:38:17,375 --> 00:38:18,625 TRAVIS: Two weeks ago, 805 00:38:18,750 --> 00:38:20,625 when we flew up into the mile-high zone 806 00:38:20,708 --> 00:38:22,792 above the triangle in Brandon's helicopter, 807 00:38:22,917 --> 00:38:26,917 our GPS data indicated that we flew into the mesa 808 00:38:27,042 --> 00:38:29,500 and traveled through it for several hundred feet. 809 00:38:29,667 --> 00:38:31,875 It looks like you smashed into the mesa. 810 00:38:32,042 --> 00:38:33,833 What the heck? 811 00:38:33,958 --> 00:38:38,167 TRAVIS: Now, this new GPS data collected over the same zone 812 00:38:38,250 --> 00:38:40,292 above the triangle indicates 813 00:38:40,375 --> 00:38:43,042 that the Cessna went into and below the mesa 814 00:38:43,167 --> 00:38:47,375 the same distance that it is from sea level to outer space. 815 00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:49,917 What in the hell could that possibly mean? 816 00:38:50,042 --> 00:38:51,792 BRYANT: Given this, 817 00:38:51,917 --> 00:38:54,417 and especially the fact that it seems like 818 00:38:54,542 --> 00:38:56,042 we're being monitored out here, 819 00:38:56,208 --> 00:38:57,792 with that strange 820 00:38:57,875 --> 00:39:00,667 projecting of our voices remotely, 821 00:39:00,792 --> 00:39:04,542 it's definitely a security issue and so, 822 00:39:04,708 --> 00:39:06,250 I'm going to let Brandon know what's going on 823 00:39:06,375 --> 00:39:07,833 and I'm sure he's going to be curious 824 00:39:07,917 --> 00:39:09,833 to know what's going on with the data as well. 825 00:39:09,958 --> 00:39:13,333 You know, I'm trying to think of other ways to look 826 00:39:13,417 --> 00:39:15,917 at this anomaly other than just GPS systems. 827 00:39:16,042 --> 00:39:18,500 What if we got some telescopes 828 00:39:18,583 --> 00:39:21,167 and we looked through the anomaly, 829 00:39:21,333 --> 00:39:23,333 and if it is some sort 830 00:39:23,417 --> 00:39:25,083 of optical or gravitational anomaly, 831 00:39:25,208 --> 00:39:27,708 our atmosphere should change. 832 00:39:27,833 --> 00:39:30,208 And it should change in a way that it's not supposed to. 833 00:39:30,333 --> 00:39:32,833 And then, we would measure, "Hey, look, there's something, 834 00:39:32,958 --> 00:39:35,875 an anomaly there," and that would be data. 835 00:39:36,792 --> 00:39:39,417 Well, I'm going to go call Brandon. 836 00:39:39,542 --> 00:39:41,625 Yeah, I'll reach out to the astronomy guys. 837 00:39:42,583 --> 00:39:44,042 TRAVIS: That's cool stuff, Erik. 838 00:39:46,208 --> 00:39:48,292 ERIK: Previous researchers have commented 839 00:39:48,417 --> 00:39:51,208 that theirs is the impression that the ranch phenomenology 840 00:39:51,333 --> 00:39:53,583 responds, if not anticipates, 841 00:39:53,708 --> 00:39:55,625 the experiments that they have attempted, 842 00:39:55,708 --> 00:39:58,333 and we do see some support for that 843 00:39:58,458 --> 00:40:00,250 in our experience here over the years. 844 00:40:00,375 --> 00:40:02,500 Perhaps what we're seeing with the ADSB 845 00:40:02,583 --> 00:40:07,083 transponder data receiver is an example of that interference. 846 00:40:08,208 --> 00:40:12,625 TRAVIS: There are so many GPS anomalies that we're seeing. 847 00:40:12,750 --> 00:40:17,750 There could be actually some advanced physics 848 00:40:17,875 --> 00:40:19,833 like you would see in science fiction, 849 00:40:19,958 --> 00:40:22,000 or like the stories of portals opening up. 850 00:40:22,125 --> 00:40:25,167 Now, if that's the case, we could be on the edge 851 00:40:25,292 --> 00:40:27,417 of some amazing discoveries. 852 00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:30,458 BRANDON: Even with continued events 853 00:40:30,542 --> 00:40:33,167 occurring at the triangle, we have setbacks. 854 00:40:33,250 --> 00:40:36,542 It seems like something continues to push back on us 855 00:40:36,667 --> 00:40:38,167 and create obstacles. 856 00:40:38,292 --> 00:40:42,583 I think that just makes the team more determined than ever 857 00:40:42,708 --> 00:40:46,625 to try to find out what is behind 858 00:40:46,750 --> 00:40:48,375 a lot of the strange activity 859 00:40:48,542 --> 00:40:50,583 on Skinwalker Ranch. 860 00:40:55,917 --> 00:40:58,292 We would like to look through the anomaly 861 00:40:58,417 --> 00:41:00,333 at an astronomical object 862 00:41:00,417 --> 00:41:02,333 and see if they seem obscured. 863 00:41:02,458 --> 00:41:05,375 THOMAS: Erik, the cows have scattered through the entire field. 864 00:41:05,542 --> 00:41:07,833 Something's definitely scared them. 865 00:41:07,917 --> 00:41:09,875 TRAVIS: What the hell is that in the sky? 866 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,958 -CHUCK: That thing is big and spherical. -TRAVIS: Yes, it is. 867 00:41:12,083 --> 00:41:14,042 -It's got a black dot in the center of it. -What? 868 00:41:14,208 --> 00:41:16,542 There is something I'd like to get your eyes on. 869 00:41:16,708 --> 00:41:18,042 -TRAVIS: Whoa! What was that? -ERIK: There, there. 870 00:41:18,167 --> 00:41:20,292 TRAVIS: That's the brightest thing in the sky. 871 00:41:20,375 --> 00:41:22,750 CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY A+E NETWORKS 68804

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