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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,585 --> 00:00:02,793 - Take my phone? - Sure. 2 00:00:05,131 --> 00:00:06,630 - Roddy. 3 00:00:08,217 --> 00:00:10,175 Yeah, I'm doing great. How are you? 4 00:00:10,219 --> 00:00:12,428 We're just getting ready to do an interview about you. 5 00:00:14,098 --> 00:00:16,181 A little warm down there, huh? 6 00:00:16,225 --> 00:00:17,474 You what? 7 00:00:19,729 --> 00:00:22,062 Yeah, not anytime soon, though. 8 00:00:22,148 --> 00:00:24,398 You're holding a place for me. 9 00:00:24,483 --> 00:00:26,316 Right next to you at the table, huh? 10 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,610 Great. 11 00:00:28,696 --> 00:00:30,904 No, I...No, I'm just gonna talk about you, 12 00:00:30,990 --> 00:00:33,157 all good things, not to worry about it. 13 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:34,616 Great. 14 00:00:34,702 --> 00:00:35,659 Thanks, roddy. 15 00:00:40,583 --> 00:00:42,499 Roddy's in heaven. Roddy's not in hell. 16 00:00:42,585 --> 00:00:45,502 ♪ ♪ 17 00:00:45,588 --> 00:00:46,587 - we'll check you down there, guys. 18 00:00:46,672 --> 00:00:47,671 We'll check you down there. 19 00:00:47,757 --> 00:00:51,842 ♪ ♪ 20 00:00:51,927 --> 00:00:58,390 - rowdy ronda rousey! 21 00:00:59,518 --> 00:01:01,351 [no audible dialogue] 22 00:01:01,437 --> 00:01:04,063 - coming to the wwe, I really wanted to make sure 23 00:01:04,106 --> 00:01:07,191 that every single time that I walked out there, 24 00:01:07,276 --> 00:01:08,942 everyone remembered "rowdy" roddy piper. 25 00:01:09,028 --> 00:01:14,156 Rowdy is the only name I could have taken on. 26 00:01:14,241 --> 00:01:16,283 I wanted to make sure that that next generation of kids 27 00:01:16,368 --> 00:01:19,036 knew who he was and respected his memory 28 00:01:19,121 --> 00:01:21,663 and what he's contributed to the business. 29 00:01:22,917 --> 00:01:24,416 - When I ran into piper, 30 00:01:24,502 --> 00:01:27,711 he's the one that made everything else possible. 31 00:01:27,797 --> 00:01:30,589 He was the key, the cog in the wheel. 32 00:01:30,674 --> 00:01:32,299 Without piper, we could have never launched 33 00:01:32,384 --> 00:01:33,425 into the stratosphere. 34 00:01:33,469 --> 00:01:34,927 - It's as simple as this. 35 00:01:35,012 --> 00:01:37,596 When rp talks, brother, people listen. 36 00:01:37,681 --> 00:01:39,181 - He was the ultimate bad guy. 37 00:01:39,266 --> 00:01:41,225 - How you doing, fatso? 38 00:01:41,310 --> 00:01:42,684 - He sold it. He practiced it. 39 00:01:42,770 --> 00:01:43,936 He was good at what he did. 40 00:01:43,979 --> 00:01:45,437 ♪ ♪ 41 00:01:45,481 --> 00:01:48,398 - just when they think they got the answers, 42 00:01:48,484 --> 00:01:50,150 I change the questions. 43 00:01:50,236 --> 00:01:52,778 - Even if you had never heard of roddy piper, 44 00:01:52,863 --> 00:01:54,947 you could tell you didn't like this guy. 45 00:01:54,990 --> 00:01:56,573 - Nobody messes with piper! 46 00:01:56,659 --> 00:01:59,159 - He was riveting. - I seen a lot of men buried... 47 00:01:59,245 --> 00:02:01,745 - A really good-hearted guy, 48 00:02:01,831 --> 00:02:04,373 a really tough son of a bitch. 49 00:02:04,458 --> 00:02:07,376 - He was not like any other wrestler. 50 00:02:07,461 --> 00:02:08,919 He was in his own world, 51 00:02:09,004 --> 00:02:11,255 real strong family man. 52 00:02:11,340 --> 00:02:15,384 - He kept his family completely out of the business, 53 00:02:15,469 --> 00:02:18,887 and I think he took too much of it on himself. 54 00:02:18,973 --> 00:02:20,305 - Yeah! 55 00:02:20,391 --> 00:02:22,391 - Everything he did from the moment 56 00:02:22,476 --> 00:02:23,976 he walked out in the ring rubbed people wrong. 57 00:02:24,061 --> 00:02:25,310 - You're gonna see something 58 00:02:25,396 --> 00:02:27,771 you never seen in your life before. 59 00:02:27,857 --> 00:02:30,607 - Whatever it was, he went against the grain, 60 00:02:30,693 --> 00:02:32,818 and he just lived in that glory. 61 00:02:32,862 --> 00:02:36,488 ♪ ♪ 62 00:02:36,532 --> 00:02:39,575 [droning bagpipe music] 63 00:02:39,660 --> 00:02:43,495 ♪ ♪ 64 00:02:50,588 --> 00:02:52,671 - you know, god takes care of fools and babies. 65 00:02:52,715 --> 00:02:55,132 ♪ ♪ 66 00:02:55,217 --> 00:02:59,928 before I was a pro wrestler, I got hit by a pickup truck. 67 00:03:00,014 --> 00:03:03,015 I was lived in an indian reservation. 68 00:03:03,058 --> 00:03:06,310 I had tonsillitis, so they took out my appendix. 69 00:03:06,395 --> 00:03:08,562 I moved a lot. 70 00:03:08,647 --> 00:03:11,023 I got hurt a lot as a little kid. 71 00:03:11,066 --> 00:03:13,150 ♪ ♪ 72 00:03:13,235 --> 00:03:16,528 - my dad, roddy piper, he was born in canada 73 00:03:16,572 --> 00:03:18,989 in a place called saskatoon, saskatchewan, 74 00:03:19,074 --> 00:03:22,910 which is one of the coldest places in the world. 75 00:03:22,995 --> 00:03:24,578 He used to tell me, you know, 76 00:03:24,663 --> 00:03:26,914 the story of running uphill both ways to school, 77 00:03:26,999 --> 00:03:28,999 right, in the snow? He actually did that. 78 00:03:29,084 --> 00:03:31,001 ♪ ♪ 79 00:03:31,086 --> 00:03:33,170 his dad was a police officer that worked for the railroad, 80 00:03:33,255 --> 00:03:36,131 and this meant that they traveled 24/7. 81 00:03:36,217 --> 00:03:39,218 They would spend a week in one town, a week in the next. 82 00:03:39,303 --> 00:03:41,428 I think he was about 10 years old. 83 00:03:41,513 --> 00:03:45,015 He was on a indian reservation for about six months, 84 00:03:45,100 --> 00:03:47,017 and he's the only white kid on it. 85 00:03:47,102 --> 00:03:48,560 Everybody else is indian, 86 00:03:48,604 --> 00:03:50,354 and they don't like white people at the time, 87 00:03:50,439 --> 00:03:52,272 so he had to learn how to fight his way through 88 00:03:52,358 --> 00:03:54,233 and get their respect. 89 00:03:54,276 --> 00:03:57,069 So every few months, no matter where he was going, 90 00:03:57,154 --> 00:03:58,737 he would have to start over, 91 00:03:58,822 --> 00:04:00,697 build his reputation, and be the tough guy 92 00:04:00,783 --> 00:04:02,407 so he wouldn't get hurt. 93 00:04:02,451 --> 00:04:04,743 He would go out and get in trouble and come home 94 00:04:04,787 --> 00:04:09,081 and face all kinds of physical punishment. 95 00:04:09,124 --> 00:04:10,582 [somber music] 96 00:04:10,668 --> 00:04:13,835 - it was a hard victorian upbringing, 97 00:04:13,921 --> 00:04:15,379 very strict. 98 00:04:15,422 --> 00:04:17,422 Being the youngest, 99 00:04:17,508 --> 00:04:18,882 he always kind of felt like 100 00:04:18,968 --> 00:04:20,592 he was an afterthought in his family 101 00:04:20,678 --> 00:04:22,386 is what he would tell me. 102 00:04:22,471 --> 00:04:24,304 Like, he wasn't expected. 103 00:04:24,390 --> 00:04:26,431 Not a lot of hugs. 104 00:04:26,475 --> 00:04:29,434 Not a lot of verbal "I love yous." 105 00:04:29,478 --> 00:04:32,604 - my grandpa did beat my dad. I don't know how often, 106 00:04:32,690 --> 00:04:34,147 but he was physical enough with him 107 00:04:34,233 --> 00:04:36,775 that it was a dark place 108 00:04:36,819 --> 00:04:38,902 that my dad never really wanted to talk about with us. 109 00:04:38,988 --> 00:04:44,783 - You're 12, 11, 10 years old. You move 10 times. 110 00:04:44,827 --> 00:04:47,327 All of a sudden, you get into a fight, 111 00:04:47,413 --> 00:04:48,912 and you come back home and you get into a fight 112 00:04:48,998 --> 00:04:50,080 because you got into a fight. 113 00:04:50,165 --> 00:04:51,623 You know, it's... 114 00:04:51,667 --> 00:04:54,501 ♪ ♪ 115 00:04:54,586 --> 00:04:58,714 I don't think that punishment, 116 00:04:58,799 --> 00:05:02,592 physical punishment, is a way to raise a kid. 117 00:05:02,636 --> 00:05:05,387 None of it goes on in my house ever. 118 00:05:05,472 --> 00:05:09,099 - There was a lot of trauma in his childhood, 119 00:05:09,143 --> 00:05:12,102 and it followed him. 120 00:05:12,187 --> 00:05:14,146 He seemed like the kind of person 121 00:05:14,231 --> 00:05:17,190 that always had a demon or something on his shoulder 122 00:05:17,276 --> 00:05:18,817 and that he was fighting with 123 00:05:18,902 --> 00:05:21,028 and I think that that started at a very, very young age 124 00:05:21,113 --> 00:05:22,612 long before wrestling. 125 00:05:22,698 --> 00:05:24,948 [bagpipe music] 126 00:05:25,034 --> 00:05:27,868 - I got into my bagpipes a lot, 127 00:05:27,953 --> 00:05:30,954 and it kind of pulled me away from everybody. 128 00:05:32,541 --> 00:05:34,333 I don't know how, 129 00:05:34,376 --> 00:05:36,293 but that's where I started, when I was six years old 130 00:05:36,378 --> 00:05:38,503 playing the bagpipes. 131 00:05:38,547 --> 00:05:41,340 It was a place for me to go. It was loud. 132 00:05:41,383 --> 00:05:44,301 People knew, don't interrupt. 133 00:05:44,386 --> 00:05:48,013 It actually became a hideaway for me. 134 00:05:48,057 --> 00:05:49,598 ♪ ♪ 135 00:05:49,683 --> 00:05:51,850 - one day I was in my house, 136 00:05:51,894 --> 00:05:54,644 and there was a knock at my back door. 137 00:05:54,730 --> 00:05:59,149 And there was two friends of mine with this new guy, rod. 138 00:05:59,234 --> 00:06:01,485 And so they said to me, 139 00:06:01,570 --> 00:06:03,487 "cam, you're a pretty tough guy, 140 00:06:03,572 --> 00:06:06,198 "and this new guy, rod, he's a pretty tough guy. 141 00:06:06,241 --> 00:06:07,657 Why don't you have a fight?" 142 00:06:07,743 --> 00:06:09,659 I said, "sure." 143 00:06:09,745 --> 00:06:11,661 and we went at it. 144 00:06:11,747 --> 00:06:14,247 Like in the movies, he drilled me a good one 145 00:06:14,333 --> 00:06:16,375 and I flew overtop of my motorcycle. 146 00:06:16,418 --> 00:06:18,877 And he won the fight. 147 00:06:18,921 --> 00:06:21,213 As I found out later, rod told me he was 148 00:06:21,298 --> 00:06:24,674 the light heavyweight boxing champ of toronto. 149 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,720 And from that point on, we became best friends. 150 00:06:28,764 --> 00:06:32,224 He was a high school wrestler, 151 00:06:32,267 --> 00:06:34,226 and he was number two in the city. 152 00:06:34,269 --> 00:06:37,896 That was his goal was to be a wrestler. 153 00:06:37,981 --> 00:06:40,732 - And the day he did graduate school, 154 00:06:40,818 --> 00:06:42,734 he finally did leave home. 155 00:06:42,778 --> 00:06:45,195 He would have liked a better relationship with his father. 156 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:48,240 You know, that was eating him up. 157 00:06:48,283 --> 00:06:50,867 As rod became a young adult, it just became too much 158 00:06:50,911 --> 00:06:52,702 'cause rod wanted to get rough back, 159 00:06:52,788 --> 00:06:54,913 but the only other choice would be to have an all-out brawl 160 00:06:54,957 --> 00:06:56,206 with your father. 161 00:06:56,291 --> 00:06:57,707 ♪ ♪ 162 00:06:57,793 --> 00:07:01,920 he left home and was out on his own. 163 00:07:02,005 --> 00:07:03,755 - It was just time to go, 164 00:07:03,841 --> 00:07:06,550 so I took my bagpipes and I just never went back. 165 00:07:06,635 --> 00:07:08,427 - He was really a nomad. 166 00:07:08,470 --> 00:07:11,972 He went to youth hostels, ymcas, anywhere. 167 00:07:12,057 --> 00:07:13,348 Usually back then, 168 00:07:13,434 --> 00:07:14,975 five bucks for the night and you could do it. 169 00:07:15,060 --> 00:07:16,435 Or you'd get there and it'd be full, 170 00:07:16,478 --> 00:07:18,270 so you would be on the street that night. 171 00:07:18,313 --> 00:07:20,188 - I had to make money, 172 00:07:20,274 --> 00:07:22,107 and so played my bagpipes and I'd get quarters 173 00:07:22,192 --> 00:07:23,483 or whatever they give me. 174 00:07:23,569 --> 00:07:25,610 You sleep during the day. 175 00:07:25,654 --> 00:07:27,737 It's too dangerous to sleep at nighttime. 176 00:07:27,823 --> 00:07:30,240 At nighttime, you get cold, you get hungry, 177 00:07:30,325 --> 00:07:31,616 and so you start to try to feed 178 00:07:31,660 --> 00:07:33,243 some of these necessities. 179 00:07:33,328 --> 00:07:35,203 I started stealing what I needed 180 00:07:35,289 --> 00:07:37,956 and then got with a group of bad guys. 181 00:07:38,041 --> 00:07:40,459 And all of a sudden, you're carrying a switchblade, 182 00:07:40,502 --> 00:07:42,627 and--you know, and then the fights. 183 00:07:42,671 --> 00:07:46,256 Now I was getting off on this bully type of thing, 184 00:07:46,341 --> 00:07:47,924 which I hated. 185 00:07:48,010 --> 00:07:50,802 - He was beaten up. He was made fun of. 186 00:07:50,846 --> 00:07:52,471 Half of those beatings were because 187 00:07:52,556 --> 00:07:53,889 somebody was trying to sexually abuse him, 188 00:07:53,974 --> 00:07:55,682 and you fight back. 189 00:07:55,767 --> 00:07:58,810 - You know, I think he did a little robbery here and there, 190 00:07:58,896 --> 00:08:00,604 and he was terribly ashamed of it. 191 00:08:00,689 --> 00:08:02,731 It was a brief part of his life. 192 00:08:02,816 --> 00:08:05,692 He also would fight. 193 00:08:05,777 --> 00:08:08,361 People would pay to see him fight on the street. 194 00:08:08,447 --> 00:08:10,780 Doing whatever it takes to survive. 195 00:08:10,866 --> 00:08:13,283 - I was living in a youth hostel. 196 00:08:13,368 --> 00:08:15,285 Father o'malley, you know, he says, 197 00:08:15,329 --> 00:08:16,995 "you know, roderick, 198 00:08:17,039 --> 00:08:18,455 have you ever seen professional wrestling?" 199 00:08:18,540 --> 00:08:19,706 I said, "no, sir." 200 00:08:19,791 --> 00:08:22,167 he says, "I can get you $25." 201 00:08:22,252 --> 00:08:24,169 whew! You know, that was, like, three months' rent. 202 00:08:24,213 --> 00:08:26,004 - He was 15 years old 203 00:08:26,089 --> 00:08:27,464 when he had his first professional fight 204 00:08:27,549 --> 00:08:29,174 against larry "the axe" hennig. 205 00:08:29,218 --> 00:08:31,176 - Larry hennig 206 00:08:31,261 --> 00:08:33,053 coming into the ring at this time... 207 00:08:33,138 --> 00:08:35,263 - You know, rod, he knew that he needed an angle. 208 00:08:35,349 --> 00:08:36,973 I don't believe at that time 209 00:08:37,017 --> 00:08:39,893 he'd come up with rowdy roddy piper. 210 00:08:39,978 --> 00:08:43,313 His name was rod toombs, so he went by that name. 211 00:08:43,398 --> 00:08:44,814 [playing bagpipe music] 212 00:08:44,858 --> 00:08:46,399 I don't know how many wrestlers 213 00:08:46,485 --> 00:08:48,026 can play the bagpipes and has kilt. 214 00:08:48,111 --> 00:08:50,487 And so that's what he did 215 00:08:50,572 --> 00:08:52,531 to distinguish himself 216 00:08:52,616 --> 00:08:54,407 based on the talent that he actually had. 217 00:08:54,493 --> 00:08:57,661 - The announcer, he just knew my name was roddy. 218 00:08:57,746 --> 00:09:00,080 He had to announce something, and he says, 219 00:09:00,165 --> 00:09:02,165 "ladies and gentlemen here comes... 220 00:09:02,251 --> 00:09:03,875 ♪ ♪ 221 00:09:03,961 --> 00:09:05,502 roddy the piper." 222 00:09:05,587 --> 00:09:07,170 - he was just naturally good at it, 223 00:09:07,256 --> 00:09:11,216 and then that evolved into his wrestling career, 224 00:09:11,260 --> 00:09:14,094 since it was a special skill that he could use as a gimmick. 225 00:09:14,179 --> 00:09:16,388 People would stand up and say... 226 00:09:16,473 --> 00:09:18,098 You know, and yell at him. 227 00:09:18,183 --> 00:09:20,016 That was his goal 228 00:09:20,102 --> 00:09:22,018 was to get people pissed off at him, 229 00:09:22,104 --> 00:09:23,353 so they're going to look in the program: 230 00:09:23,438 --> 00:09:24,521 "who is this guy?" 231 00:09:24,606 --> 00:09:26,731 - my nose was broke, you know? 232 00:09:26,775 --> 00:09:29,025 And larry only hit me twice, but he did a good job. 233 00:09:29,111 --> 00:09:30,735 My eye was drooping, and he says, 234 00:09:30,779 --> 00:09:32,404 "kid, how'd you like to go to kansas city?" 235 00:09:32,447 --> 00:09:34,447 and that's how I got into pro wrestling, 236 00:09:34,533 --> 00:09:35,532 and I never stopped. 237 00:09:36,952 --> 00:09:39,244 - He knew that there was going to be many days 238 00:09:39,329 --> 00:09:42,080 that he didn't know where the next paycheck was coming, 239 00:09:42,165 --> 00:09:45,542 and so he just threw himself at it. 240 00:09:45,627 --> 00:09:47,294 That took him all across canada 241 00:09:47,379 --> 00:09:49,754 and then into the states, 242 00:09:49,798 --> 00:09:51,881 just wherever he could get a job. 243 00:09:51,967 --> 00:09:55,760 - When wrestling came along, that's why I just boom! 244 00:09:55,846 --> 00:10:01,141 Because it had all the elements without the police. 245 00:10:01,226 --> 00:10:02,976 - There were more than two dozen 246 00:10:03,061 --> 00:10:05,604 wrestling territories in north america, 247 00:10:05,647 --> 00:10:09,399 so that meant that guys could make a living uprooting, 248 00:10:09,443 --> 00:10:11,443 going from territory to territory. 249 00:10:11,528 --> 00:10:13,403 - I'm so fortunate to have wrestling 250 00:10:13,488 --> 00:10:14,988 and the way it evolved. 251 00:10:15,073 --> 00:10:17,657 If it hadn't, I would've been dead. 252 00:10:17,743 --> 00:10:19,075 There's no doubt about it. 253 00:10:20,996 --> 00:10:24,080 I've got a baby face that looks 12, 254 00:10:24,124 --> 00:10:26,124 in a dress, playing bagpipes, 255 00:10:26,168 --> 00:10:28,793 and they just beat me up. 256 00:10:28,879 --> 00:10:30,462 - So when you're just getting in, 257 00:10:30,547 --> 00:10:31,630 you're breaking into pro wrestling, 258 00:10:31,673 --> 00:10:32,797 what do you do? 259 00:10:32,841 --> 00:10:34,591 They beat you up, 260 00:10:34,676 --> 00:10:36,593 and you have to continuously get up and keep coming back. 261 00:10:36,678 --> 00:10:40,472 - I got my first break in los angeles, 262 00:10:40,515 --> 00:10:42,599 and holy cow. 263 00:10:42,684 --> 00:10:45,977 Really, really brutal, brutal days. 264 00:10:50,025 --> 00:10:52,108 - Roddy came into the gym. 265 00:10:52,194 --> 00:10:54,736 I says, "what are you doing?" 266 00:10:54,821 --> 00:10:57,447 "you gonna sweep up the place, 267 00:10:57,532 --> 00:11:00,367 or sell hot doggies, chicken on a bun?" 268 00:11:00,452 --> 00:11:03,495 he says, "no, I'm a wrestler." 269 00:11:03,580 --> 00:11:06,623 and I says, "you look like you got polio in your stomach, 270 00:11:06,708 --> 00:11:08,333 "you're so small. 271 00:11:08,377 --> 00:11:11,127 "you'll never make it. You got to learn how to wrestle 272 00:11:11,171 --> 00:11:14,506 so you can be a sadistic bastard." 273 00:11:14,591 --> 00:11:16,508 - we're gonna see things that are different, 274 00:11:16,551 --> 00:11:19,678 that's never been seen before, ever, ever on any film. 275 00:11:19,721 --> 00:11:21,846 ♪ ♪ 276 00:11:21,890 --> 00:11:25,266 don't practice this without a qualified instructor 277 00:11:25,352 --> 00:11:26,685 right there with you. 278 00:11:28,063 --> 00:11:31,523 - Judo gene--if you don't know, look him up-- 279 00:11:31,608 --> 00:11:33,900 was the toughest man in the world, 280 00:11:33,985 --> 00:11:37,278 trained bruce lee, chuck norris, 281 00:11:37,364 --> 00:11:39,864 rowdy ronda rousey. 282 00:11:39,908 --> 00:11:42,367 - Gene lebell I would consider 283 00:11:42,452 --> 00:11:45,662 the most decorated stuntman of all time. 284 00:11:45,747 --> 00:11:51,167 He was in the first-ever televised mma event. 285 00:11:51,253 --> 00:11:53,336 When I was doing judo, he would help me a lot. 286 00:11:53,422 --> 00:11:55,213 And then when I got in to mma, 287 00:11:55,257 --> 00:11:58,591 he was in my corner for, like, every single match. 288 00:11:58,677 --> 00:12:01,845 - Judo gene saw that these guys were bullying me, 289 00:12:01,930 --> 00:12:04,556 and gene would tell me what to do on the fly. 290 00:12:04,641 --> 00:12:07,559 - You got to beat them with the dark side of the moon. 291 00:12:07,644 --> 00:12:10,687 Roddy said, "what's the dark side of the moon?" 292 00:12:10,772 --> 00:12:14,691 "well, what the referee doesn't see, didn't happen." 293 00:12:14,735 --> 00:12:16,067 watch you don't take the eyes out. 294 00:12:16,153 --> 00:12:18,862 This is the throat. Throat's a great handle. 295 00:12:18,947 --> 00:12:20,113 - [yells] 296 00:12:20,198 --> 00:12:22,115 - he'd call me late at night. 297 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,367 And my wife said, 298 00:12:24,453 --> 00:12:27,537 "hey, it must be roddy calling again." 299 00:12:27,622 --> 00:12:30,999 so he says, "hey, let's go and roll for a couple hours." 300 00:12:31,084 --> 00:12:35,545 we worked out hard, no playing games. 301 00:12:35,630 --> 00:12:37,547 He wanted to know how to wrestle. 302 00:12:38,633 --> 00:12:40,049 - The lebell family is... 303 00:12:40,135 --> 00:12:41,468 They're legendary. 304 00:12:41,553 --> 00:12:43,303 They ran the olympic auditorium, 305 00:12:43,388 --> 00:12:45,430 and because dad had earned their respect, 306 00:12:45,474 --> 00:12:48,057 he was able then to wrestle there in la 307 00:12:48,143 --> 00:12:49,934 for the lebell family, 308 00:12:49,978 --> 00:12:51,311 and that is really where dad 309 00:12:51,396 --> 00:12:53,271 got the chance to spread his wings 310 00:12:53,356 --> 00:12:56,065 and really become not just another fighter 311 00:12:56,151 --> 00:12:58,610 but the one they came to see. 312 00:12:58,653 --> 00:13:05,742 ♪ ♪ 313 00:13:05,827 --> 00:13:07,577 - one of my favorite memories with him 314 00:13:07,662 --> 00:13:10,413 is when I was, like, 15. 315 00:13:10,499 --> 00:13:12,916 He brought me to la to see hollywood, 316 00:13:13,001 --> 00:13:16,044 and I wanted to be an actress and a singer. 317 00:13:16,129 --> 00:13:18,254 And so, to me, hollywood was like, "whoo!" 318 00:13:18,340 --> 00:13:21,007 marilyn monroe handprints, and the glamour and all of that. 319 00:13:21,092 --> 00:13:23,802 And we get here and he rents a car, 320 00:13:23,845 --> 00:13:25,136 he's like, "all right, kid, 321 00:13:25,180 --> 00:13:26,805 I'm gonna take you around town." 322 00:13:28,308 --> 00:13:30,475 first thing he does is, he goes somewhere 323 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:32,602 into, like, the compton, maybe, area. 324 00:13:32,687 --> 00:13:34,145 I was a little young to understand 325 00:13:34,189 --> 00:13:35,146 what I was looking at. 326 00:13:35,190 --> 00:13:36,606 And he was like, 327 00:13:36,691 --> 00:13:38,691 "that's where your father slept on the streets. 328 00:13:38,777 --> 00:13:42,779 "a woman got murdered right outside my window, 329 00:13:42,823 --> 00:13:44,989 but I didn't say anything, 'cause I'm not a snitch." 330 00:13:45,033 --> 00:13:48,576 he's just telling me these horrific stories. 331 00:13:50,330 --> 00:13:53,456 So then I come home from that vacation. 332 00:13:53,542 --> 00:13:54,958 My friends asked me, they're like, 333 00:13:55,043 --> 00:13:56,334 "how's hollywood?" and they were like, 334 00:13:56,419 --> 00:13:58,002 "did you see this and that?" 335 00:13:58,046 --> 00:14:00,588 I was like, "I think I got the wrestlers' tour." 336 00:14:00,674 --> 00:14:01,923 [laughs] 337 00:14:03,301 --> 00:14:06,261 [upbeat spanish guitar music] 338 00:14:06,346 --> 00:14:11,474 ♪ ♪ 339 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:14,227 - I was born and grew up in los angeles, 340 00:14:14,312 --> 00:14:15,937 and some of my earliest memories that I have 341 00:14:16,022 --> 00:14:17,397 are actually about professional wrestling, 342 00:14:17,482 --> 00:14:19,482 being a professional wrestling fan. 343 00:14:19,568 --> 00:14:21,359 I remember going down on the bus, 344 00:14:21,403 --> 00:14:23,570 running with my stepfather, trying to catch a bus 345 00:14:23,655 --> 00:14:25,321 to go down to the olympic auditorium. 346 00:14:25,407 --> 00:14:28,700 In 1976, one of the new faces in the territory 347 00:14:28,785 --> 00:14:30,910 was a young lad by the name of roddy piper. 348 00:14:30,996 --> 00:14:33,997 He was 21 years old. 349 00:14:34,082 --> 00:14:35,915 He was a young, fresh-faced kid. 350 00:14:36,001 --> 00:14:38,710 Fans gave him polite applause. 351 00:14:40,881 --> 00:14:43,548 They start wrestling, and it starts out as a clean match. 352 00:14:43,633 --> 00:14:46,801 But little by little, subtly, 353 00:14:46,887 --> 00:14:49,721 he starts doing these things that only a villain would do. 354 00:14:51,391 --> 00:14:52,932 He was fighting, 355 00:14:53,018 --> 00:14:54,267 and he was giving people kicks to the groin 356 00:14:54,352 --> 00:14:55,727 during his wrestling matches. 357 00:14:55,770 --> 00:14:58,354 ♪ ♪ 358 00:14:58,398 --> 00:15:01,232 it was like watching a caterpillar 359 00:15:01,276 --> 00:15:03,026 transform into a butterfly, 360 00:15:03,111 --> 00:15:07,196 and you just saw this magic happening before your eyes. 361 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,073 People were booing roddy piper. 362 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:11,784 They absolutely hated who he was. 363 00:15:11,870 --> 00:15:13,244 - I am the intelligence. 364 00:15:13,330 --> 00:15:15,330 I think the most controversial thing I did 365 00:15:15,415 --> 00:15:16,873 was stir up controversy 366 00:15:16,958 --> 00:15:18,708 because it draws money. 367 00:15:18,793 --> 00:15:21,210 Conflict draws money. 368 00:15:21,296 --> 00:15:23,546 - The wheels were always turning for him as to what can I say, 369 00:15:23,632 --> 00:15:25,089 what can I do next? 370 00:15:25,133 --> 00:15:26,883 'cause you had to keep them interested. 371 00:15:26,968 --> 00:15:28,760 You had to keep them coming back. 372 00:15:28,803 --> 00:15:30,887 - There's no way, piper! - Hey! 373 00:15:30,972 --> 00:15:32,305 - Oh! - Hey! Piper! 374 00:15:32,390 --> 00:15:34,182 - Get up, you think you're so tough! 375 00:15:34,267 --> 00:15:36,392 - Anything he did, he wanted to be good at it. 376 00:15:36,478 --> 00:15:38,686 - I don't plan to go in there and make it easy. 377 00:15:38,772 --> 00:15:40,605 I don't plan to go in there and not have some knocks 378 00:15:40,649 --> 00:15:42,440 on my own noggin, brother. 379 00:15:42,484 --> 00:15:44,901 - And they used him to do the interviews 380 00:15:44,986 --> 00:15:51,032 because he would showboat and help sell boletos, tickets. 381 00:15:51,117 --> 00:15:52,659 - You're a pig, guerrero! 382 00:15:52,744 --> 00:15:55,036 Your father was a pig, 383 00:15:55,121 --> 00:15:56,788 your brother was a pig, 384 00:15:56,873 --> 00:15:58,623 and you're a pig, guerrero! 385 00:15:58,708 --> 00:16:01,793 - The guerrero family was one of the first families 386 00:16:01,836 --> 00:16:03,795 in professional wrestling. 387 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,421 If you're of latino descent, 388 00:16:05,465 --> 00:16:08,508 you didn't really see a lot of faces on television 389 00:16:08,593 --> 00:16:10,259 that were like yours. 390 00:16:10,345 --> 00:16:12,512 And usually if you did, they played the roles of a gardener, 391 00:16:12,597 --> 00:16:14,472 or they played the role of a maid. 392 00:16:14,516 --> 00:16:20,395 So for us to see the guerrero family in hero roles 393 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,480 was very important. 394 00:16:22,524 --> 00:16:24,440 We worshiped them. 395 00:16:24,526 --> 00:16:25,984 - You get in that ring, chavo guerrero, 396 00:16:26,069 --> 00:16:27,735 and it's going to be all over for you, brother, 397 00:16:27,821 --> 00:16:29,570 because I don't give a damn about nothing no more. 398 00:16:29,656 --> 00:16:31,656 - When roddy piper would insult the guerreros, 399 00:16:31,741 --> 00:16:33,866 we took it very personally. 400 00:16:33,952 --> 00:16:36,828 - You sitting at home with your fat bellies 401 00:16:36,871 --> 00:16:39,163 and your construction boots drinking your beer, 402 00:16:39,207 --> 00:16:40,790 you know who I am. 403 00:16:40,875 --> 00:16:43,501 - Roddy really had the whole package. 404 00:16:43,586 --> 00:16:45,378 In the ring, he was a dirty wrestler, 405 00:16:45,463 --> 00:16:47,964 but he had all this tremendous frenetic energy. 406 00:16:48,049 --> 00:16:51,175 But also, he knew how to get a reaction out of the fans, 407 00:16:51,261 --> 00:16:52,885 and one of the ways he would do that 408 00:16:52,971 --> 00:16:54,721 was to bring his bagpipes out to the ring. 409 00:16:54,806 --> 00:16:55,930 [playing off-key] 410 00:16:56,016 --> 00:16:57,890 - one time, he told everybody 411 00:16:57,976 --> 00:17:00,977 and silenced the entire stadium, 412 00:17:01,062 --> 00:17:03,354 he'd play the mexican national anthem 413 00:17:03,398 --> 00:17:06,607 to apologize for attacking the guerreros. 414 00:17:06,693 --> 00:17:10,028 - I said, "you know, I love you people. 415 00:17:10,113 --> 00:17:13,364 I'd like to do something special." 416 00:17:13,450 --> 00:17:15,033 [crowd booing] 417 00:17:15,076 --> 00:17:18,494 and all the wonderful hispanic people came in. 418 00:17:18,580 --> 00:17:20,538 I'm in the ring. 419 00:17:20,623 --> 00:17:27,128 And, "please stand for the mexican national anthem." 420 00:17:29,424 --> 00:17:33,342 [whispering] just like this I said to myself, 421 00:17:33,428 --> 00:17:35,762 "I'm gonna die." 422 00:17:35,847 --> 00:17:38,347 I put those bagpipes up, man. 423 00:17:38,433 --> 00:17:40,349 It's too late, right? 424 00:17:40,435 --> 00:17:42,185 - And roddy starts playing his notes, 425 00:17:42,270 --> 00:17:44,395 and it's not the mexican national anthem. 426 00:17:44,481 --> 00:17:46,689 But he starts playing "la cucaracha." 427 00:17:46,775 --> 00:17:48,524 he starts playing a song about a cockroach. 428 00:17:48,610 --> 00:17:51,444 [playing "la cucaracha" on bagpipes] 429 00:17:51,529 --> 00:17:53,905 ♪ ♪ 430 00:17:53,948 --> 00:17:56,616 ♪ la cucaracha, la cucaracha ♪ 431 00:17:56,701 --> 00:17:58,409 [hums] 432 00:17:58,495 --> 00:18:02,080 holy cow, chairs that were bolted down in the cement, 433 00:18:02,123 --> 00:18:04,707 here they come. 434 00:18:04,793 --> 00:18:05,917 - And the fans... 435 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,503 ♪ ♪ 436 00:18:08,588 --> 00:18:09,879 they're just shocked. 437 00:18:09,964 --> 00:18:12,381 - Chairs come up. Things are being thrown. 438 00:18:12,467 --> 00:18:14,217 Stage is being overcome. 439 00:18:14,302 --> 00:18:17,053 - It was like watching... Watching a car wreck, you know? 440 00:18:17,138 --> 00:18:18,888 It's a horrible thing to see, but at the same time, 441 00:18:18,973 --> 00:18:20,223 you can't take your eyes away from it. 442 00:18:20,308 --> 00:18:22,850 - I was there that night, 443 00:18:22,936 --> 00:18:25,144 and I was going to... 444 00:18:25,230 --> 00:18:26,979 Whiz in my pants. 445 00:18:27,065 --> 00:18:29,065 - You can't write that kind of stuff. 446 00:18:29,150 --> 00:18:31,567 - I says, "this guy is a natural." 447 00:18:31,653 --> 00:18:35,696 ♪ ♪ 448 00:18:43,206 --> 00:18:47,291 - you had to move around, especially as a bad guy. 449 00:18:47,335 --> 00:18:49,335 You would run your course, 450 00:18:49,420 --> 00:18:53,840 and then you needed to go on and find another place to go 451 00:18:53,925 --> 00:18:55,883 and stake your claim for a while 452 00:18:55,969 --> 00:18:58,052 and then you would move on somewhere else. 453 00:18:58,138 --> 00:19:00,805 - I am extremely pleased 454 00:19:00,849 --> 00:19:04,767 to take my wonderful trophy. 455 00:19:04,853 --> 00:19:07,311 - Once I left los angeles, when I went to portland, 456 00:19:07,355 --> 00:19:08,813 nobody knew who I was, 457 00:19:08,857 --> 00:19:10,648 so you had to start all over again. 458 00:19:10,692 --> 00:19:13,693 [hopeful music] 459 00:19:13,778 --> 00:19:18,906 ♪ ♪ 460 00:19:25,874 --> 00:19:27,707 did you find the choke? - Yeah. 461 00:19:27,792 --> 00:19:31,043 - Okay, kick the engine over, leaving the throttle closed. 462 00:19:32,463 --> 00:19:35,673 It's probably just new. It needs--takes a lot of kicks. 463 00:19:35,717 --> 00:19:36,966 - Yeah. 464 00:19:37,051 --> 00:19:39,552 - I met roddy in 1979. 465 00:19:39,637 --> 00:19:43,222 I was working graveyard shift as a waitress 466 00:19:43,308 --> 00:19:45,266 just southwest side of portland. 467 00:19:45,351 --> 00:19:47,268 - Get you something out there. 468 00:19:47,353 --> 00:19:49,979 - Roderick, you're lucky I had it high enough 469 00:19:50,064 --> 00:19:53,024 that that didn't show. - [laughs] 470 00:19:53,067 --> 00:19:56,194 - he was the funniest human being on the planet. 471 00:19:56,279 --> 00:19:58,613 [snickers] - is that it? 472 00:19:58,698 --> 00:20:00,323 - Oh, the guy... 473 00:20:00,408 --> 00:20:04,327 All the wrinkles on my face are from him making me laugh. 474 00:20:04,412 --> 00:20:06,704 I was young, I was 19 years old, 475 00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:09,165 and so all the other waitresses would say, 476 00:20:09,250 --> 00:20:11,209 "you go wait on those wrestlers." 477 00:20:11,294 --> 00:20:13,044 prime rib was always what he got. 478 00:20:13,129 --> 00:20:16,672 He ordered two prime ribs and always two pieces of lemon pie. 479 00:20:16,758 --> 00:20:19,008 He started asking me, 480 00:20:19,093 --> 00:20:20,259 "hey, can I have your phone number? 481 00:20:20,345 --> 00:20:21,719 I'd like to ask you out." 482 00:20:23,598 --> 00:20:26,390 I thought he was cute as heck. Thought he cute as heck. 483 00:20:26,476 --> 00:20:29,352 But the crowd he was with was so loud, and so I'm like, 484 00:20:29,437 --> 00:20:32,188 "nah, you know. Hey, hi, hi." 485 00:20:32,273 --> 00:20:35,066 so we kind of flirted, but after about a month, 486 00:20:35,151 --> 00:20:37,401 his tag-team partner, killer brooks, 487 00:20:37,445 --> 00:20:39,028 got down on his knees and he says, 488 00:20:39,113 --> 00:20:40,238 "please give him your phone number. 489 00:20:40,281 --> 00:20:41,530 "I'm his tag-team partner, 490 00:20:41,616 --> 00:20:43,699 "and I'm getting beat to heck out there 491 00:20:43,785 --> 00:20:45,910 "because he's only thinking about you. 492 00:20:45,995 --> 00:20:47,536 He wants to get to know you." 493 00:20:47,622 --> 00:20:49,872 so I said, "okay, I'll take his phone number." 494 00:20:49,958 --> 00:20:52,416 and then we hit it off. 495 00:20:54,087 --> 00:20:58,089 ♪ ♪ 496 00:20:58,174 --> 00:20:59,674 portland wrestling 497 00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:03,094 in the late '70s, early '80s was huge. 498 00:21:03,179 --> 00:21:05,429 The buildings were always packed. 499 00:21:05,473 --> 00:21:07,556 From the moment I started dating him, 500 00:21:07,642 --> 00:21:09,934 anywhere we would go, people knew who he was. 501 00:21:10,019 --> 00:21:12,561 Everyone pretty much had the same reaction. 502 00:21:12,647 --> 00:21:13,729 They were shocked, 503 00:21:13,815 --> 00:21:15,731 but after they met him, 504 00:21:15,817 --> 00:21:20,403 they all understood that he was a genuine guy and caring. 505 00:21:20,446 --> 00:21:22,238 - You come down here and burn your bra 506 00:21:22,323 --> 00:21:23,447 and think you're something? 507 00:21:23,491 --> 00:21:24,824 You're getting in there with men... 508 00:21:24,909 --> 00:21:27,285 - And to have to do something 509 00:21:27,328 --> 00:21:29,453 like when he attacked a woman wrestler, 510 00:21:29,497 --> 00:21:31,580 he has to do it over the top 511 00:21:31,624 --> 00:21:34,083 because it's so hard for him to do. 512 00:21:34,127 --> 00:21:37,253 - This is why men wrestle and why women don't! 513 00:21:37,338 --> 00:21:39,422 This is why! Get outta here! 514 00:21:39,507 --> 00:21:41,299 Get outta here! That's why! 515 00:21:41,384 --> 00:21:45,511 - For roddy in real life, a woman is on a pedestal. 516 00:21:45,596 --> 00:21:46,929 ♪ ♪ 517 00:21:47,015 --> 00:21:48,681 he's very old-fashioned. 518 00:21:48,766 --> 00:21:50,308 He would never hit a woman. 519 00:21:50,393 --> 00:21:53,477 He would never insult a woman. 520 00:21:53,521 --> 00:21:56,147 And I decided early on, 521 00:21:56,232 --> 00:21:58,274 I was gonna love roddy no matter what. 522 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,276 I did and I do 523 00:22:00,361 --> 00:22:03,654 and wouldn't change it for the world. 524 00:22:03,698 --> 00:22:12,788 ♪ ♪ 525 00:22:12,874 --> 00:22:16,375 - in portland, it was a smaller territory. 526 00:22:16,461 --> 00:22:18,794 In atlanta, the business was growing. 527 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,629 You had to move around, 528 00:22:20,715 --> 00:22:25,134 and you had to be able to go from territory to territory. 529 00:22:25,219 --> 00:22:27,636 That's the way that the business worked at the time. 530 00:22:27,722 --> 00:22:30,514 - They called me on the east coast. 531 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,684 I was ready at any time to get up and take a left-hand turn. 532 00:22:33,770 --> 00:22:36,020 And I drove the old yellow canary 533 00:22:36,105 --> 00:22:38,105 right across the country. 534 00:22:38,191 --> 00:22:42,068 [upbeat rock music] 535 00:22:42,153 --> 00:22:45,029 - wtbs in atlanta, georgia, 536 00:22:45,073 --> 00:22:47,490 ted turner's superstation, 537 00:22:47,575 --> 00:22:49,867 wrestling was a staple. 538 00:22:51,496 --> 00:22:53,704 Here's roddy piper. 539 00:22:53,790 --> 00:22:57,541 Very few people knew who he was on a national basis. 540 00:22:57,585 --> 00:22:59,752 He wasn't the biggest guy in the world, 541 00:22:59,837 --> 00:23:01,670 but the one thing that he did 542 00:23:01,756 --> 00:23:04,507 better than anybody else was talk. 543 00:23:04,592 --> 00:23:06,675 - It's a pleasure for you to have me here, I'm sure. 544 00:23:06,761 --> 00:23:09,178 You see, being the expert that I am... 545 00:23:09,263 --> 00:23:14,183 - The promoters realized roddy knew how to tell a story, 546 00:23:14,268 --> 00:23:18,354 not just his own story, but other people's stories. 547 00:23:18,439 --> 00:23:19,897 - People want to get familiar with me. 548 00:23:19,941 --> 00:23:21,565 People like yourself... 549 00:23:21,609 --> 00:23:22,858 - He was brought in as rod piper, 550 00:23:22,944 --> 00:23:24,819 the color commentator: 551 00:23:24,904 --> 00:23:27,696 Sport coat, no kilt, 552 00:23:27,782 --> 00:23:33,035 and then the color commentator began to skew his views... 553 00:23:33,121 --> 00:23:35,704 - You got a big, big, big mouth. 554 00:23:35,790 --> 00:23:37,748 - If they let a bald-headed geek like you in... 555 00:23:37,834 --> 00:23:40,042 - Maybe a little bit more nasty... 556 00:23:40,128 --> 00:23:42,211 - You just stay out of my way, pig face! 557 00:23:42,296 --> 00:23:45,548 - Maybe a little bit more against the fan favorites. 558 00:23:45,633 --> 00:23:47,591 - And you won't have to worry about nothing, man. 559 00:23:47,677 --> 00:23:49,135 - Pig face? 560 00:23:49,220 --> 00:23:53,180 - And they created another way 561 00:23:53,266 --> 00:23:55,683 to get this character over. 562 00:23:55,768 --> 00:23:57,601 - They say stick and stones may break my bones 563 00:23:57,645 --> 00:23:59,186 but words will never hurt me. 564 00:23:59,272 --> 00:24:00,938 Well, some of the words he says about me and my family 565 00:24:00,982 --> 00:24:02,398 have hurt me deeply. 566 00:24:02,442 --> 00:24:04,024 - Sticks and stones may break your bones. 567 00:24:04,110 --> 00:24:05,901 You are right! 568 00:24:05,987 --> 00:24:08,946 And I'm nuts enough to throw sticks and stones! 569 00:24:09,031 --> 00:24:11,282 - Now you've got, 570 00:24:11,325 --> 00:24:13,617 "I'm gonna kick that commentator's butt." 571 00:24:13,661 --> 00:24:15,703 - piper into the ring. 572 00:24:15,788 --> 00:24:17,746 - The commentator was a wrestler and a tough guy. 573 00:24:17,832 --> 00:24:20,166 - As he gets through the ropes, and they go at it! 574 00:24:20,251 --> 00:24:22,126 - Now he comes out with the kilt. 575 00:24:22,211 --> 00:24:23,919 - The wild man, roddy piper. 576 00:24:24,005 --> 00:24:25,796 - Now he's roddy piper. 577 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,757 - Roddy piper, the only way that he's really been 578 00:24:28,843 --> 00:24:32,219 outstanding in this match is his bad sportsmanship. 579 00:24:32,305 --> 00:24:35,556 They're trying to literally carry piper out of the ring. 580 00:24:35,641 --> 00:24:37,641 - I told you piper pays back! 581 00:24:37,685 --> 00:24:40,936 I told you, nobody-- nobody messes with piper! 582 00:24:41,022 --> 00:24:43,272 - When he wrestles as a bad guy, 583 00:24:43,357 --> 00:24:45,441 that was the most comfortable for him. 584 00:24:45,526 --> 00:24:48,486 - Come out here right now and fight me like a man! 585 00:24:48,571 --> 00:24:50,446 Come right now! - If you're a bad guy, 586 00:24:50,490 --> 00:24:54,033 fans aren't gonna come up and shake your hand as much. 587 00:24:54,118 --> 00:24:57,161 He could be alone more if he was a bad guy. 588 00:24:57,246 --> 00:25:01,540 Maybe because he was alone in life early on so often, 589 00:25:01,626 --> 00:25:03,334 that's where he was comfortable. 590 00:25:03,419 --> 00:25:05,544 - Piper has hit him with his fist. 591 00:25:05,630 --> 00:25:08,130 He hit him in the jaw with a roll of coins. 592 00:25:08,174 --> 00:25:11,717 - As a kid, he was around some of the roughest people 593 00:25:11,802 --> 00:25:13,177 you can imagine. - It's mine! 594 00:25:13,262 --> 00:25:14,970 - And sometimes I wonder if that's part 595 00:25:15,056 --> 00:25:19,016 of what pieced together that bad guy psychology that he had. 596 00:25:19,060 --> 00:25:21,519 - I am the legend killer. 597 00:25:22,438 --> 00:25:23,771 [pen scratching] 598 00:25:23,856 --> 00:25:25,481 - so my dad did this thing. 599 00:25:25,566 --> 00:25:27,691 There were these yellow legal pads that he would write. 600 00:25:27,735 --> 00:25:30,027 He would write all kinds of ideas. 601 00:25:30,112 --> 00:25:32,196 - Just in case he had the opportunity 602 00:25:32,281 --> 00:25:33,656 that a mic was handed to him 603 00:25:33,741 --> 00:25:35,324 so that he had something great to say. 604 00:25:35,409 --> 00:25:36,825 - You know, you couldn't get a date 605 00:25:36,911 --> 00:25:38,786 with a $100 bill on your forehead. 606 00:25:38,871 --> 00:25:40,704 I wouldn't fight you 607 00:25:40,748 --> 00:25:43,249 if my grandma was threatened by the huns. 608 00:25:43,334 --> 00:25:45,584 Sometimes maybe I heard it 609 00:25:45,670 --> 00:25:47,545 in the middle of a rock and roll song. 610 00:25:47,630 --> 00:25:52,007 I just had a knack for putting that kind of stuff together. 611 00:25:52,093 --> 00:25:53,509 Of course, I don't have to impress somebody. 612 00:25:53,594 --> 00:25:54,927 They got to impress me, 613 00:25:55,012 --> 00:25:56,887 because I'm roddy piper and you're not. 614 00:25:56,931 --> 00:25:58,430 - And that's why he was so quick-witted, 615 00:25:58,516 --> 00:26:00,474 because he put in work nobody else did. 616 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,936 When everybody else was partying and drinking, which he did, 617 00:26:04,021 --> 00:26:06,438 he also was thinking and writing these things down. 618 00:26:06,524 --> 00:26:08,315 - Like, sometimes people say to me, 619 00:26:08,401 --> 00:26:10,067 "oh, you just say what comes off the top of your head." 620 00:26:10,111 --> 00:26:11,944 oh, [bleep] horse[bleep]. 621 00:26:12,029 --> 00:26:13,320 [scoffs] 622 00:26:13,406 --> 00:26:16,740 you have no idea how much work went into it. 623 00:26:16,784 --> 00:26:20,286 I seen a lot of men buried wearing a $50 stetson 624 00:26:20,371 --> 00:26:22,871 and carrying a five-buck gun, you geek. 625 00:26:22,957 --> 00:26:24,373 - Whoo-whoo! 626 00:26:24,458 --> 00:26:26,250 [dramatic music] 627 00:26:26,294 --> 00:26:28,627 - there was a guy named ric flair on the east coast. 628 00:26:28,713 --> 00:26:32,214 - The greatest wrestling in the whole entire wide world 629 00:26:32,258 --> 00:26:34,383 comes right out of the mid-atlantic area, 630 00:26:34,468 --> 00:26:36,719 and roddy piper and I are glad to be here, brother. 631 00:26:36,804 --> 00:26:38,429 - Ric and I were so different. 632 00:26:38,514 --> 00:26:40,264 You know, I wear a kilt. Ric doesn't. 633 00:26:40,349 --> 00:26:44,018 He's blond. I ain't. You know? 634 00:26:44,103 --> 00:26:47,271 That we got along real well outside the ring, 635 00:26:47,315 --> 00:26:50,190 and then everything started to get out of control. 636 00:26:50,276 --> 00:26:52,901 - Piper and flair have formed a pact, 637 00:26:52,987 --> 00:26:55,821 and where there's trouble, we won't be hard to find. 638 00:26:55,906 --> 00:26:57,448 - He's got a belt. 639 00:26:57,491 --> 00:26:59,033 - Well, I knew-- yeah, I'd heard his name, 640 00:26:59,118 --> 00:27:01,035 but I didn't know anything about him. 641 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:03,454 He came in the studio, 642 00:27:03,497 --> 00:27:04,997 and I knew right away I was gonna like him. 643 00:27:05,082 --> 00:27:08,459 He was full of himself, and, man, I mean, talent. 644 00:27:08,502 --> 00:27:09,960 - Ric flair, roddy piper! 645 00:27:10,046 --> 00:27:11,712 That's what it's all about! 646 00:27:11,797 --> 00:27:13,297 That's what it's all about! 647 00:27:13,382 --> 00:27:15,382 - God, he was entertaining. 648 00:27:15,468 --> 00:27:17,885 It was so good that it made everybody mad. 649 00:27:17,970 --> 00:27:21,847 - You're gonna find it's a whole lot easier to jump on 650 00:27:21,932 --> 00:27:23,098 than it is to jump off. 651 00:27:23,184 --> 00:27:24,475 - Whoo! 652 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,146 - I had moved over there to the east coast with roddy, 653 00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:32,191 and we were expecting our first child. 654 00:27:32,276 --> 00:27:34,151 It was very rowdy times. 655 00:27:34,195 --> 00:27:37,821 Roddy and ric and the other wrestlers, 656 00:27:37,865 --> 00:27:40,449 they lived on a planet that was theirs. 657 00:27:40,534 --> 00:27:44,036 They were a wild, wild pair of men, 658 00:27:44,121 --> 00:27:47,665 lots of drinking and hotels getting damaged and such. 659 00:27:47,708 --> 00:27:49,375 - Next thing I remember, 660 00:27:49,460 --> 00:27:51,835 I'm in my bed, my clothes are on, 661 00:27:51,921 --> 00:27:53,879 the door's knocked off the hinges. 662 00:27:53,964 --> 00:27:55,464 I didn't know what happened, 663 00:27:55,549 --> 00:27:57,174 but I got the hell out of there. 664 00:27:57,218 --> 00:27:59,468 - You hear things. You know some things. 665 00:27:59,553 --> 00:28:01,804 You don't know a lot of things. 666 00:28:01,889 --> 00:28:05,557 Roddy was roddy, and that's what it was. 667 00:28:05,643 --> 00:28:09,353 - We like our kamikazes on ice and our women on fire. 668 00:28:09,438 --> 00:28:10,979 You understand what I'm saying? 669 00:28:11,065 --> 00:28:12,690 - A little woman? - And everywhere we go, 670 00:28:12,775 --> 00:28:16,777 we do it better, longer, harder than anybody else! 671 00:28:18,239 --> 00:28:20,197 We were the beatles, man. 672 00:28:20,282 --> 00:28:22,991 It was suicidal putting us together. 673 00:28:23,077 --> 00:28:26,203 Ingesting or drinking, anything, 674 00:28:26,288 --> 00:28:28,622 roddy could beat anybody to the draw. 675 00:28:29,667 --> 00:28:32,167 - It just got way out of hand. 676 00:28:32,253 --> 00:28:36,547 This is where ric flair started the, you know, 99 kamikazes. 677 00:28:36,590 --> 00:28:38,382 You know, here I'm, like-- whoa, you know? 678 00:28:38,426 --> 00:28:39,758 I'm pretty hard core man. Pretty hard core. 679 00:28:39,844 --> 00:28:41,510 I'm drinking mine, 680 00:28:41,595 --> 00:28:43,721 and I'd be the one always be getting in trouble. 681 00:28:43,764 --> 00:28:48,267 - It was a time to make money, but it was go, go, go, go, go. 682 00:28:48,352 --> 00:28:50,394 And you get three days off, 683 00:28:50,438 --> 00:28:52,771 and then you come back on the road for another couple weeks. 684 00:28:52,857 --> 00:28:56,024 And I remember we were driving in a snowstorm. 685 00:28:56,110 --> 00:28:57,735 You know, we had beers and everything in the car. 686 00:28:57,778 --> 00:28:59,403 So we got out, 687 00:28:59,488 --> 00:29:01,071 and we're all taking a leak on the side of the road. 688 00:29:01,157 --> 00:29:03,198 And all of a sudden, roddy ran to the car. 689 00:29:03,284 --> 00:29:05,409 And I remember it's like we ran after him, 690 00:29:05,453 --> 00:29:06,785 'cause we knew that roddy was in 691 00:29:06,871 --> 00:29:08,245 one of those kind of states of mind 692 00:29:08,289 --> 00:29:10,414 where he was gonna take the car. 693 00:29:10,458 --> 00:29:11,874 We pretty much tackled roddy 694 00:29:11,959 --> 00:29:13,542 while he was trying to drive off in the car. 695 00:29:13,627 --> 00:29:16,587 - He was a... A tough guy to handle. 696 00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:19,256 He was a heavy partier. 697 00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:20,883 And I would scoop him up, 698 00:29:20,968 --> 00:29:22,926 and I'd make sure he got 699 00:29:22,970 --> 00:29:24,595 to where he was supposed to be going. 700 00:29:24,638 --> 00:29:26,972 Got him to his rooms. Got him to the hotel. 701 00:29:27,057 --> 00:29:29,767 Got him to the airports. 702 00:29:29,810 --> 00:29:32,936 - You go out there and wrestle for 45 minutes, 703 00:29:33,022 --> 00:29:34,772 and you come back, take a shower. 704 00:29:34,815 --> 00:29:37,107 You're wide frigging awake. 705 00:29:37,151 --> 00:29:40,068 And a lot of times, I'd look at the coke and... 706 00:29:40,154 --> 00:29:41,737 "oh, I don't want to do this." 707 00:29:41,822 --> 00:29:43,739 but you end up doing it. 708 00:29:43,824 --> 00:29:46,116 - It was, "I need this to wake up to wrestle." 709 00:29:46,202 --> 00:29:47,493 "I need this to go to bed, 710 00:29:47,578 --> 00:29:49,161 'cause I work in an hour and this is all I have." 711 00:29:49,246 --> 00:29:52,456 - it was also about to numb the pain, 712 00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:55,000 the physical pain, the pain of being alone, 713 00:29:55,085 --> 00:29:57,795 always having to be in transition. 714 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,881 You know, you're never sitting still. 715 00:30:00,966 --> 00:30:03,926 - It's a vicious cycle that would just go round and round. 716 00:30:04,011 --> 00:30:06,053 It's easier to go have a drink. 717 00:30:06,138 --> 00:30:08,222 It's easier to go take a pill or go smoke a joint. 718 00:30:08,307 --> 00:30:10,265 - Back in those days, 719 00:30:10,351 --> 00:30:13,685 like, any injury could cost you your job. 720 00:30:13,771 --> 00:30:15,646 If you can't do it, 721 00:30:15,689 --> 00:30:18,106 they replace you a few minutes later with somebody else. 722 00:30:18,192 --> 00:30:20,275 You learn to be your own doctors. 723 00:30:20,361 --> 00:30:22,152 That's kind of the sad thing is, you're your own doctor. 724 00:30:22,238 --> 00:30:25,447 Roddy was pretty out of control. 725 00:30:25,533 --> 00:30:27,574 Lord knows what kind of drugs and alcohol 726 00:30:27,660 --> 00:30:33,622 were being consumed. 727 00:30:33,707 --> 00:30:34,998 [chuckles] 728 00:30:37,044 --> 00:30:38,502 - [laughter] 729 00:30:39,797 --> 00:30:41,964 - having roddy travel so often 730 00:30:42,049 --> 00:30:46,051 and be gone so much and having a growing family, 731 00:30:46,136 --> 00:30:48,804 it was very difficult. 732 00:30:48,889 --> 00:30:53,809 - When you live like we did, you know, 3,000 miles a week, 733 00:30:53,853 --> 00:30:56,895 you become desensitized. 734 00:30:56,981 --> 00:30:58,564 - Say merry christmas. 735 00:30:58,649 --> 00:31:01,024 All: Merry christmas. 736 00:31:01,110 --> 00:31:03,026 - One thing that roddy did, 737 00:31:03,070 --> 00:31:07,656 he kept his family completely out of the business 738 00:31:07,741 --> 00:31:11,577 'cause he didn't want them to see what he went through. 739 00:31:11,662 --> 00:31:13,161 He wanted them to grow up 740 00:31:13,247 --> 00:31:15,289 and be beautiful and healthy and happy, 741 00:31:15,374 --> 00:31:18,750 and I think he took too much of it on himself. 742 00:31:18,836 --> 00:31:20,794 ♪ ♪ 743 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,255 - sometimes when rod would come home from the road, 744 00:31:23,340 --> 00:31:24,923 he wouldn't come straight home. 745 00:31:25,009 --> 00:31:28,927 He would check into a hotel room and just get rested 746 00:31:29,013 --> 00:31:31,179 because when he got home, he couldn't rest. 747 00:31:31,265 --> 00:31:33,473 I'd like to know where mine is. 748 00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:35,183 - [laughs] to barnacle bill. 749 00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:36,894 ♪ ♪ 750 00:31:36,937 --> 00:31:38,687 - he almost had to do a transition mentally 751 00:31:38,772 --> 00:31:40,522 when he came from the road to home, 752 00:31:40,608 --> 00:31:42,691 because he didn't want to bring that character home. 753 00:31:42,735 --> 00:31:44,818 He had such a hot temper as hot rod. 754 00:31:44,904 --> 00:31:46,528 And he had to, 755 00:31:46,614 --> 00:31:47,905 because he had to be on guard a lot. 756 00:31:49,074 --> 00:31:51,074 It was very separate. 757 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,203 He didn't like to take us to a lot of events. 758 00:31:55,289 --> 00:31:58,290 We were very concerned about safety 759 00:31:58,375 --> 00:32:02,669 because of how much aggression was being put towards rod. 760 00:32:02,755 --> 00:32:05,756 [crowd cheering] 761 00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:07,633 - he had been a villain in the deep south 762 00:32:07,718 --> 00:32:10,052 and fighting fans and, you know, 763 00:32:10,137 --> 00:32:11,720 getting assault charges. 764 00:32:11,805 --> 00:32:13,347 I mean, I can think of a few situations 765 00:32:13,432 --> 00:32:15,807 with roddy with fans trying to run us off the road 766 00:32:15,893 --> 00:32:18,727 and chasing us in cities like detroit. 767 00:32:18,812 --> 00:32:21,271 - People would throw thumbtacks in the ring, 768 00:32:21,315 --> 00:32:22,898 hit with beer bottles. 769 00:32:22,983 --> 00:32:24,316 In asheville, north carolina, 770 00:32:24,401 --> 00:32:26,735 they threw a rattlesnake in the ring one night. 771 00:32:26,820 --> 00:32:28,570 Guy ran down to the ringside with a gunnysack 772 00:32:28,656 --> 00:32:29,863 and threw a rattlesnake. 773 00:32:29,949 --> 00:32:31,782 [bell dings] [crowd booing] 774 00:32:31,825 --> 00:32:34,576 - there was a lot of crazy fans back then, 775 00:32:34,620 --> 00:32:37,746 and being a bad guy could be a very dangerous living. 776 00:32:37,831 --> 00:32:39,831 - 'cause I'm going to shove it down your throat! 777 00:32:39,917 --> 00:32:41,792 - There's certainly times when I'd seen him 778 00:32:41,835 --> 00:32:43,085 say or do something on tv where I'm like, 779 00:32:43,128 --> 00:32:45,337 "oh, my gosh, we're in for it now. 780 00:32:45,422 --> 00:32:47,923 This is gonna get worse before it gets better." 781 00:32:48,008 --> 00:32:53,011 but I never asked him to curtail or tone it down 782 00:32:53,097 --> 00:32:56,306 because that would hinder his creativity. 783 00:32:56,392 --> 00:33:00,477 - People wanted to kill me. 784 00:33:00,562 --> 00:33:02,521 - I remember there was a gentleman. 785 00:33:02,606 --> 00:33:04,356 I wasn't really paying much attention, 786 00:33:04,441 --> 00:33:08,443 but roddy went taking off down this hallway. 787 00:33:08,529 --> 00:33:12,781 And the next thing, I see them having some words 788 00:33:12,866 --> 00:33:16,159 and the police got involved in it. 789 00:33:16,203 --> 00:33:20,497 He did have a big knife, you know, like a bowie knife. 790 00:33:20,582 --> 00:33:23,667 So finally the officer said, "mr. Piper, we've got him. 791 00:33:23,752 --> 00:33:25,293 He's going to jail." 792 00:33:25,379 --> 00:33:28,714 he said, "well, I just wanted to have a couple seconds with him." 793 00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:30,215 the officer said, "why?" 794 00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:32,843 and he said, "because he stabbed me." 795 00:33:32,886 --> 00:33:35,679 and roddy took his thumb off of his chest, 796 00:33:35,764 --> 00:33:39,683 and the blood started squirting in the officer's face 797 00:33:39,768 --> 00:33:41,309 at every heartbeat. 798 00:33:41,353 --> 00:33:44,229 - It was going tsst-tsst, tsst-tsst. 799 00:33:44,314 --> 00:33:45,856 - And I went, "oh!" 800 00:33:45,899 --> 00:33:47,315 - sergeant slaughter took me to the hospital 801 00:33:47,401 --> 00:33:49,818 and held the... Held the wound. 802 00:33:49,903 --> 00:33:51,278 - Doctor said, "if that would've went 803 00:33:51,363 --> 00:33:56,283 one more 1/2 inch or less, you'd be dead." 804 00:33:56,368 --> 00:33:57,784 - so what was it like? 805 00:33:57,870 --> 00:33:59,828 It was a living hell. 806 00:33:59,913 --> 00:34:03,206 - It wasn't just, "you're a bad guy on tv," and that's it. 807 00:34:03,292 --> 00:34:04,708 It followed you everywhere. 808 00:34:04,793 --> 00:34:06,668 Dad was stabbed three times in his life. 809 00:34:06,754 --> 00:34:08,587 Three times they actually stabbed him, 810 00:34:08,672 --> 00:34:10,422 to the point where he had a leather jacket 811 00:34:10,507 --> 00:34:13,341 that was kevlar-lined and it was stab-proof 812 00:34:13,427 --> 00:34:15,343 because he had been stabbed so many times. 813 00:34:15,429 --> 00:34:21,349 - He was the next generation to take it to the next level. 814 00:34:22,895 --> 00:34:25,812 - What a tremendous match to have live. 815 00:34:25,898 --> 00:34:27,856 Millions of fans everywhere 816 00:34:27,941 --> 00:34:30,567 can see greg valentine and roddy piper go at each other. 817 00:34:30,652 --> 00:34:36,198 - Me and piper started out a long, long, long journey. 818 00:34:36,283 --> 00:34:39,326 We'd probably wrestled each other for a year. 819 00:34:39,411 --> 00:34:41,328 [crowd cheering] 820 00:34:41,413 --> 00:34:42,913 we just walloped each other. 821 00:34:42,956 --> 00:34:46,583 ♪ ♪ 822 00:34:46,668 --> 00:34:51,630 I took piper's head and rammed it into the turnbuckle. 823 00:34:51,715 --> 00:34:53,465 ♪ ♪ 824 00:34:53,550 --> 00:34:55,592 every time I'd go out there, 825 00:34:55,677 --> 00:34:57,260 I'd beat on his ear. 826 00:34:57,304 --> 00:34:58,678 ♪ ♪ 827 00:34:58,764 --> 00:34:59,763 blam! 828 00:34:59,807 --> 00:35:01,556 ♪ ♪ 829 00:35:01,642 --> 00:35:05,185 so I end up naming it the year of the ear. 830 00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:07,145 - Watch him go to that ear. 831 00:35:07,231 --> 00:35:10,398 - And I'd laugh, "ha, ha, ha, the year of the ear." 832 00:35:10,484 --> 00:35:12,776 ♪ ♪ 833 00:35:12,861 --> 00:35:17,072 and then finally they want to blow it off, end it. 834 00:35:17,157 --> 00:35:18,156 ♪ ♪ 835 00:35:18,242 --> 00:35:19,741 - what happened was 836 00:35:19,827 --> 00:35:21,993 bruno sammartino and larry zbyszko 837 00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:24,788 did $500,000 in shea stadium, 838 00:35:24,832 --> 00:35:28,750 so it became a war of the north against the south, 839 00:35:28,836 --> 00:35:30,335 so the south said, "all right, 840 00:35:30,420 --> 00:35:32,420 we're gonna put on the first pay-per-view ever." 841 00:35:32,506 --> 00:35:34,131 so they come to me and they said, 842 00:35:34,216 --> 00:35:37,425 "I want you to make up the meanest, 843 00:35:37,511 --> 00:35:42,055 nastiest, most brutal match you can possibly think of." 844 00:35:42,141 --> 00:35:45,225 - and piper came up with this dog collar. 845 00:35:45,310 --> 00:35:48,270 - 40 pounds of chain. I want you to check it out. 846 00:35:48,355 --> 00:35:49,688 You're gonna see something 847 00:35:49,773 --> 00:35:51,857 you never seen in your life before. 848 00:35:51,942 --> 00:35:54,276 - Well, it was a great idea. It was my birthday. 849 00:35:54,361 --> 00:35:56,736 Oh, what is this? This is beautiful. 850 00:35:56,822 --> 00:35:58,196 They presented me with this big cake. 851 00:35:58,282 --> 00:36:00,657 I love cake. Wait a minute, what is this? 852 00:36:00,742 --> 00:36:04,494 I look at it and I see some steel in there, 853 00:36:04,580 --> 00:36:07,956 and I reached down and pulled out a dog collar. 854 00:36:08,041 --> 00:36:10,167 What? What are you doing? 855 00:36:10,252 --> 00:36:12,002 What are you trying to do to me? 856 00:36:12,045 --> 00:36:15,463 He wants to have a dog collar match. 857 00:36:15,549 --> 00:36:19,009 Piper was the best, the best performer. 858 00:36:19,094 --> 00:36:22,470 Good at the mic. Probably number one at the mic. 859 00:36:22,514 --> 00:36:25,015 Some people said he sounded like daffy duck. 860 00:36:25,100 --> 00:36:27,559 I love daffy duck. [laughs] 861 00:36:27,644 --> 00:36:29,561 - you're talking about the biggest thing 862 00:36:29,646 --> 00:36:32,147 that's ever gonna happen in the history of wrestling. 863 00:36:32,232 --> 00:36:33,648 [bell dings] - ladies and gentlemen, 864 00:36:33,734 --> 00:36:36,985 our next event of the evening is a very special match. 865 00:36:37,070 --> 00:36:39,696 This is a collar match. 866 00:36:39,781 --> 00:36:41,615 - It was the very first pay-per-view 867 00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:43,575 ever for wrestling. 868 00:36:43,660 --> 00:36:45,410 [bell dings] 869 00:36:45,495 --> 00:36:48,496 - two men linked together like this in mortal combat. 870 00:36:48,582 --> 00:36:50,332 - This is a strategy. 871 00:36:50,417 --> 00:36:52,459 This is what piper talked to me about. 872 00:36:52,544 --> 00:36:55,170 And then, see, I'm the first one to get nailed. 873 00:36:55,255 --> 00:36:57,672 - Used exactly as a whip as we had talked about. 874 00:36:57,758 --> 00:37:00,675 - You could use it to batter the guy. 875 00:37:00,761 --> 00:37:04,054 Now he's gonna get me in the teeth right there. 876 00:37:04,097 --> 00:37:06,056 I had to go to the dentist the next day. 877 00:37:06,099 --> 00:37:07,557 - You can see the concern 878 00:37:07,643 --> 00:37:09,226 of the people watching this match. 879 00:37:09,269 --> 00:37:10,977 They really don't know what to expect 880 00:37:11,063 --> 00:37:12,771 when two men are going at it like this. 881 00:37:12,856 --> 00:37:14,606 - Now I'm going for the ear. 882 00:37:14,691 --> 00:37:16,608 - Look at valentine pounding on him now. 883 00:37:16,693 --> 00:37:18,735 ♪ ♪ 884 00:37:18,779 --> 00:37:20,946 - it was a ridiculously hard match. 885 00:37:21,031 --> 00:37:23,406 It was the toughest match, probably, I've ever been in, 886 00:37:23,450 --> 00:37:25,033 especially with valentine. 887 00:37:25,118 --> 00:37:26,201 - Used as a whip. 888 00:37:26,286 --> 00:37:28,036 Valentine on his knees. 889 00:37:28,121 --> 00:37:29,788 Hard blow to the top of the head. 890 00:37:29,873 --> 00:37:33,375 - No, I'm not just selling; I'm hurt. 891 00:37:33,460 --> 00:37:35,669 But it's all for you wrestling fans. 892 00:37:35,754 --> 00:37:39,005 Giving you our love in a strange way. 893 00:37:39,091 --> 00:37:41,258 [laughs] 894 00:37:41,301 --> 00:37:42,926 ♪ ♪ 895 00:37:43,011 --> 00:37:44,386 this is the end of it, right there. 896 00:37:44,471 --> 00:37:46,054 He hog-tied me. 897 00:37:46,098 --> 00:37:47,973 - He got the count. 898 00:37:48,058 --> 00:37:50,558 - I think he was the greatest of all time... 899 00:37:50,644 --> 00:37:52,102 ♪ ♪ 900 00:37:52,145 --> 00:37:55,063 a really good-hearted guy 901 00:37:55,148 --> 00:37:57,399 but a really tough son of a bitch. 902 00:37:58,944 --> 00:38:00,402 - Valentine, you say-- 903 00:38:00,487 --> 00:38:03,655 you say your strategy was to take away all my hearing. 904 00:38:03,740 --> 00:38:06,574 You see, what you forgot is, you got one more ear to go. 905 00:38:06,660 --> 00:38:10,120 ♪ ♪ 906 00:38:10,205 --> 00:38:13,665 - when you look for, you know, attributes of a bad guy, 907 00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:16,751 you have to be fearless; 908 00:38:16,837 --> 00:38:18,795 you have to have the gift of gab; 909 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,007 you can say anything that you want, 910 00:38:22,092 --> 00:38:23,967 even though you know it's gonna be controversial; 911 00:38:24,052 --> 00:38:26,094 you have to be able to communicate with the audience; 912 00:38:26,179 --> 00:38:30,098 and you have to a certain attitude about you. 913 00:38:30,142 --> 00:38:33,268 And roddy had all those attributes and more. 914 00:38:33,353 --> 00:38:35,228 ♪ ♪ 915 00:38:35,314 --> 00:38:39,691 - vince mcmahon has these plans of expanding nationally. 916 00:38:39,776 --> 00:38:42,861 What's the best way to expand all over north america? 917 00:38:42,946 --> 00:38:46,781 You get the best wrestlers from the individual territories 918 00:38:46,867 --> 00:38:50,785 and you bring them all to wwe. 919 00:38:50,871 --> 00:38:52,787 And vince mcmahon wants it all. 920 00:38:52,873 --> 00:38:57,125 - I got a call from roddy. He says, "mr. Mcmahon called." 921 00:38:57,169 --> 00:38:59,127 I said, "yeah, are you coming up?" 922 00:38:59,212 --> 00:39:00,253 he goes, "yeah, he wants me to come up." 923 00:39:00,339 --> 00:39:01,963 I said, "come on up." 924 00:39:02,049 --> 00:39:08,303 roddy was coming to new york city. 925 00:39:08,388 --> 00:39:11,097 - Let me tell you how to be roddy piper. 926 00:39:11,183 --> 00:39:13,224 [laughs] have a nice [bleep] day. 927 00:39:13,310 --> 00:39:14,642 Go [bleep] yourself. 928 00:39:14,686 --> 00:39:16,394 Gimme the microphone and get out of the way. 929 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,689 Bowlegged, big, fat, ugly penguin. 930 00:39:19,775 --> 00:39:21,983 You know what? You both stink! 931 00:39:22,027 --> 00:39:23,443 It's as simple as this: 932 00:39:23,528 --> 00:39:26,279 When rp talks, brother, people listen. 933 00:39:26,948 --> 00:39:30,033 - And new york, 934 00:39:30,077 --> 00:39:32,869 new york is big guys, 935 00:39:32,913 --> 00:39:36,206 at least 250-pounders, 6-foot whatever. 936 00:39:36,249 --> 00:39:37,707 That's what I was. 937 00:39:37,793 --> 00:39:39,250 You know, piper, later on, 938 00:39:39,336 --> 00:39:41,002 I guess he gained weight. 939 00:39:41,088 --> 00:39:43,505 But when he first came in, he was smaller. 940 00:39:43,548 --> 00:39:45,548 - So if roddy's not the greatest physical specimen 941 00:39:45,634 --> 00:39:47,175 in the world, then don't let him do that. 942 00:39:47,219 --> 00:39:51,554 Do what roddy does best. Let him be a talk show host. 943 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,264 In a moment, ladies and gentlemen, 944 00:39:53,350 --> 00:39:55,016 we're going to take you to "piper's pit," 945 00:39:55,102 --> 00:39:56,726 involving, of course, the rather controversial 946 00:39:56,770 --> 00:39:59,896 and certainly opinionated roddy piper. 947 00:39:59,981 --> 00:40:02,232 - They put up a backdrop, 948 00:40:02,317 --> 00:40:04,526 and it was basically a wrestling talk show 949 00:40:04,569 --> 00:40:05,944 to stir the pot. 950 00:40:06,029 --> 00:40:08,154 - You're a lousy wrestler. It's a simple as that. 951 00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:10,240 - I might be a lousy wrestler, but I'm still in there, 952 00:40:10,325 --> 00:40:12,075 and I'm not afraid of nobody-- 953 00:40:13,620 --> 00:40:15,745 - it was "the tonight show" 954 00:40:15,831 --> 00:40:19,040 where the host could end up beating up the guest. 955 00:40:19,084 --> 00:40:22,585 It was just the most off-the-walls, unpredictable, 956 00:40:22,671 --> 00:40:25,755 amazing idea that ever happened in television, 957 00:40:25,799 --> 00:40:27,549 in my opinion. I'm biased, but whatever. 958 00:40:27,592 --> 00:40:28,758 [laughs] 959 00:40:28,844 --> 00:40:30,969 - is he supposed to scare me? 960 00:40:31,054 --> 00:40:32,887 - You had to be ready. 961 00:40:32,931 --> 00:40:34,389 He was witty, smart. 962 00:40:34,474 --> 00:40:35,473 He was like the fastest gun in the west. 963 00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:36,975 - Hello, peasants. 964 00:40:37,060 --> 00:40:38,643 - Don't call my father stupid. 965 00:40:38,728 --> 00:40:39,686 - Wait, wait, wait... 966 00:40:39,771 --> 00:40:41,438 How you doing, fatso? 967 00:40:41,523 --> 00:40:43,773 - He could take some guys and make them look 968 00:40:43,859 --> 00:40:45,275 like heroes and superstars, 969 00:40:45,318 --> 00:40:47,735 or he could kind of like, if he wanted to, 970 00:40:47,821 --> 00:40:50,196 he could chop you down to size pretty quick. 971 00:40:50,282 --> 00:40:52,490 - I could slam you myself! I don't care. 972 00:40:52,576 --> 00:40:54,868 You're saying john studd did at 520... 973 00:40:56,037 --> 00:40:59,789 [crowd cheering] 974 00:40:59,875 --> 00:41:01,124 - the most famous one, of course, 975 00:41:01,209 --> 00:41:02,459 is the interview with jimmy snuka. 976 00:41:02,502 --> 00:41:04,210 - There you go. 977 00:41:04,296 --> 00:41:06,588 - There were a couple of coconuts, 978 00:41:06,673 --> 00:41:09,841 and one of them, you know, had been what we call "gimmicked," 979 00:41:09,926 --> 00:41:12,343 but that's not the one roddy chose. 980 00:41:12,429 --> 00:41:13,470 - Am I making fun of you? 981 00:41:13,513 --> 00:41:14,804 No, sir, no, sir. 982 00:41:20,854 --> 00:41:22,645 [indistinct shouting] 983 00:41:23,940 --> 00:41:25,690 - nothing was scripted on "piper's pit." 984 00:41:25,775 --> 00:41:27,192 - there, you sucker! 985 00:41:27,277 --> 00:41:29,277 - It was all off of the top of dad's head 986 00:41:29,321 --> 00:41:31,321 or something that he'd maybe written down in a note before. 987 00:41:31,364 --> 00:41:33,114 And that's where the magic happens. 988 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,950 - Just when they think they got the answers, 989 00:41:36,036 --> 00:41:37,994 I change the questions. 990 00:41:38,038 --> 00:41:40,705 - He wasn't famous for his technique 991 00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:42,790 or his type of wrestling or how big his arms were 992 00:41:42,834 --> 00:41:44,334 or anything like that. 993 00:41:44,419 --> 00:41:45,668 He was just an incredible talker 994 00:41:45,712 --> 00:41:47,337 and a guy that was taking wrestling 995 00:41:47,380 --> 00:41:49,088 and telling a different story. 996 00:41:49,174 --> 00:41:52,759 - You do not throw rocks at a man who's got a machine gun! 997 00:41:55,055 --> 00:41:56,971 [cyndi lauper's "girls just want to have fun"] 998 00:41:57,057 --> 00:41:58,348 - ladies and gentlemen, 999 00:41:58,433 --> 00:42:00,266 I want to introduce to you 1000 00:42:00,352 --> 00:42:02,352 the female entertainer of the year, 1001 00:42:02,437 --> 00:42:03,561 miss cyndi lauper! 1002 00:42:03,647 --> 00:42:06,314 [crowd cheers] [laughs] 1003 00:42:06,399 --> 00:42:08,525 - wrestling began to work with mtv, 1004 00:42:08,610 --> 00:42:11,361 which was absolutely red-hot. 1005 00:42:11,446 --> 00:42:13,363 - You look wonderful, cyndi. 1006 00:42:13,448 --> 00:42:17,242 - Captain lou albano and cyndi lauper were friends, 1007 00:42:17,327 --> 00:42:20,286 and cyndi lauper had put lou albano 1008 00:42:20,372 --> 00:42:23,039 in her "girls want to have fun" video. 1009 00:42:23,083 --> 00:42:25,291 - I said, "vince, I got this guy named dave wolff 1010 00:42:25,377 --> 00:42:27,085 "that manages cyndi lauper, 1011 00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:29,087 "and they just did a video with albano 1012 00:42:29,172 --> 00:42:30,964 but now they wanna get involved in the wrestling business." 1013 00:42:31,049 --> 00:42:32,840 and vince was like, "hmm, hmm." 1014 00:42:32,884 --> 00:42:35,426 - dave thought it was going to be good for cyndi's career. 1015 00:42:35,512 --> 00:42:37,095 You know, here she's doing this crossover 1016 00:42:37,180 --> 00:42:39,722 in this very unusual world. 1017 00:42:39,766 --> 00:42:42,183 It's like, "what the hell is this?" 1018 00:42:42,269 --> 00:42:45,770 - would you please welcome cyndi lauper! 1019 00:42:45,855 --> 00:42:48,064 [crowd cheering] 1020 00:42:48,149 --> 00:42:54,028 - so now there's all this attention, suddenly, to wwe. 1021 00:42:54,072 --> 00:42:55,863 People who were fashionable, 1022 00:42:55,949 --> 00:42:59,158 people who were in the rock and roll world, 1023 00:42:59,244 --> 00:43:02,412 they're gonna start watching wwe. 1024 00:43:02,455 --> 00:43:05,456 So they had this ceremony in madison square garden. 1025 00:43:05,542 --> 00:43:10,587 Lou albano was one of the primary forces 1026 00:43:10,672 --> 00:43:13,673 responsible for the rock 'n' wrestling connection, 1027 00:43:13,758 --> 00:43:16,634 and what better way to honor a man 1028 00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:18,845 but to give him a gold record? 1029 00:43:18,930 --> 00:43:21,723 - I'm so grateful to receive this award. 1030 00:43:21,808 --> 00:43:24,058 - Now that's going to provoke some jealousy, 1031 00:43:24,144 --> 00:43:27,270 and who is the most jealous performer of all? 1032 00:43:27,314 --> 00:43:28,771 - There is roddy piper. 1033 00:43:28,857 --> 00:43:30,773 - This is beautiful, cyndi. 1034 00:43:30,859 --> 00:43:33,109 - Maybe they have some kind of presentation to make. 1035 00:43:33,194 --> 00:43:34,861 - I want to present you with this. 1036 00:43:36,448 --> 00:43:37,780 - Oh! Look out! 1037 00:43:39,618 --> 00:43:42,076 Captain lou albano clobbered! 1038 00:43:42,162 --> 00:43:48,291 - Roddy piper shockingly kicks the biggest pop star in america, 1039 00:43:48,376 --> 00:43:51,628 a female pop star, in the head. 1040 00:43:51,713 --> 00:43:53,838 - David wolff trying to come to the rescue, 1041 00:43:53,923 --> 00:43:56,132 but he's no match! 1042 00:43:56,217 --> 00:43:59,052 Oh, he pile-drived him right down into the canvas. 1043 00:43:59,137 --> 00:44:02,764 - 20 minutes before the match, I was asked, 1044 00:44:02,807 --> 00:44:05,350 "do you think you can kick cyndi lauper and not hurt her?" 1045 00:44:05,435 --> 00:44:07,268 by her manager. 1046 00:44:07,354 --> 00:44:10,104 I'm thinking, "I hope you never manage me." 1047 00:44:10,190 --> 00:44:11,272 you know? 1048 00:44:11,358 --> 00:44:14,692 But when they saw that, 1049 00:44:14,778 --> 00:44:18,488 uh, saddam hussein got nothing on me. 1050 00:44:18,573 --> 00:44:20,031 - Look out! 1051 00:44:20,116 --> 00:44:22,659 The hulkster's hitting the ring! 1052 00:44:22,744 --> 00:44:24,577 - Cyndi wasn't a wrestler, 1053 00:44:24,663 --> 00:44:26,704 so she had to have somebody defend her honor. 1054 00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:29,207 - He knew what he was doing. He was stirring up the crowd 1055 00:44:29,292 --> 00:44:30,583 and he knew it and he loved it. 1056 00:44:30,669 --> 00:44:32,085 All heels do. 1057 00:44:32,170 --> 00:44:34,629 - What a disgraceful display. 1058 00:44:34,673 --> 00:44:37,048 Cyndi, look at her. 1059 00:44:37,133 --> 00:44:39,008 Tears running down her face. 1060 00:44:39,052 --> 00:44:41,344 Hulkster's hot. Everybody's hot. 1061 00:44:41,388 --> 00:44:45,098 Boy, he wishes he could have got his hands on roddy piper. 1062 00:44:45,183 --> 00:44:47,016 - Every dog has its day, 1063 00:44:47,060 --> 00:44:48,267 you know what I'm talking about? 1064 00:44:48,353 --> 00:44:50,269 And that one's gonna get his. 1065 00:44:50,355 --> 00:44:53,022 - She expects me to sit there and do nothing about her, 1066 00:44:53,108 --> 00:44:54,732 so I kick her 12 yards across the field. 1067 00:44:54,818 --> 00:44:56,067 - But she's a woman. She's a woman. 1068 00:44:56,152 --> 00:44:57,318 - Just imagine it. 1069 00:44:57,404 --> 00:44:59,529 In about a four-month period, 1070 00:44:59,614 --> 00:45:02,657 I had the kicked cyndi lauper in the head. 1071 00:45:02,742 --> 00:45:05,535 I don't know how many guys on piper's pit I had, 1072 00:45:05,578 --> 00:45:08,287 whatever I had done, all in this very short time. 1073 00:45:08,373 --> 00:45:11,708 It was getting really heated up. 1074 00:45:11,793 --> 00:45:13,876 I couldn't go anyplace. I was fighting. 1075 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,503 I had a family. 1076 00:45:15,588 --> 00:45:17,380 I was fighting in and out of denny's. 1077 00:45:17,424 --> 00:45:19,549 It was crazy. 1078 00:45:19,592 --> 00:45:23,386 - Roddy understood that bringing in the musicians 1079 00:45:23,471 --> 00:45:24,762 brings it to a whole nother level, 1080 00:45:24,848 --> 00:45:26,347 so he was onboard for that. 1081 00:45:26,433 --> 00:45:29,183 - All right, let me just step out this way a tad. 1082 00:45:29,269 --> 00:45:32,395 - But he found it very hard being the old-school person, 1083 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,232 and he tried best he could to cooperate. 1084 00:45:36,317 --> 00:45:37,900 It was never easy. 1085 00:45:37,986 --> 00:45:40,903 - And the last one is, "mtv stinks"? 1086 00:45:40,947 --> 00:45:42,947 - Once we got hooked up with mtv, 1087 00:45:43,032 --> 00:45:44,782 it took us to mainstream. 1088 00:45:44,868 --> 00:45:46,325 - Mtv... 1089 00:45:46,411 --> 00:45:48,244 [laughs] 1090 00:45:48,329 --> 00:45:51,622 music to vomit by. 1091 00:45:51,708 --> 00:45:53,708 - Tonight, ladies and gentlemen, 1092 00:45:53,752 --> 00:45:55,960 the war to settle the score, 1093 00:45:56,045 --> 00:45:57,628 the hottest ticket in town. 1094 00:45:57,714 --> 00:45:59,547 - The rock 'n' wrestling connection 1095 00:45:59,632 --> 00:46:03,092 helped us change the look of the business 1096 00:46:03,178 --> 00:46:06,137 to where we get families and kids at ringside. 1097 00:46:06,222 --> 00:46:08,598 - This is broadcast on mtv. 1098 00:46:08,641 --> 00:46:11,225 This is big time. 1099 00:46:11,269 --> 00:46:14,103 - Everybody wants to be a part of it. 1100 00:46:14,189 --> 00:46:15,730 Well, there's something going on here. 1101 00:46:15,815 --> 00:46:18,441 I got to see what it is. I got to check it out. 1102 00:46:18,526 --> 00:46:21,402 - Piper was the ultimate villain, 1103 00:46:21,488 --> 00:46:23,321 so you want to have the ultimate villain 1104 00:46:23,406 --> 00:46:25,573 against the ultimate hero. 1105 00:46:25,658 --> 00:46:27,200 - It was the biggest thing ever. 1106 00:46:27,285 --> 00:46:29,744 It was hogan and piper going at it. 1107 00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:31,662 - We have got action. 1108 00:46:31,748 --> 00:46:33,790 Oh! They're at it! [bell dings] 1109 00:46:35,126 --> 00:46:36,667 it's under way. 1110 00:46:36,753 --> 00:46:38,211 Look at this, back and forth. 1111 00:46:38,296 --> 00:46:40,129 Oh, raking the eyes of roddy piper. 1112 00:46:40,173 --> 00:46:41,631 - When I ran into piper, 1113 00:46:41,674 --> 00:46:43,800 he's the one that made everything else possible. 1114 00:46:43,843 --> 00:46:47,094 - Oh! Dropped the big elbow on him. 1115 00:46:47,138 --> 00:46:49,138 - I had to have an opponent, 1116 00:46:49,224 --> 00:46:52,475 and nobody had the air, the arrogance, the attitude 1117 00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:54,811 to go to toe-to-toe with me and not back down. 1118 00:46:54,896 --> 00:46:56,521 Without piper, we could have never, 1119 00:46:56,606 --> 00:46:57,897 never launched into the stratosphere. 1120 00:46:57,982 --> 00:46:59,816 - Oh! 1121 00:46:59,859 --> 00:47:03,110 - Piper has two confederates: 1122 00:47:03,196 --> 00:47:06,989 Cowboy bob orton, jr., and paul "mr. Wonderful" orndorff. 1123 00:47:07,075 --> 00:47:08,658 - Orndorff going up to the top rope! 1124 00:47:08,743 --> 00:47:11,369 - Oh, please. - Look out! 1125 00:47:11,454 --> 00:47:12,995 - They interfere in the match. 1126 00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:15,331 - Cyndi lauper up on the apron. 1127 00:47:15,375 --> 00:47:18,042 Orndorff going around the side rope now at cyndi lauper. 1128 00:47:18,127 --> 00:47:19,544 - What? Wait a minute. Hold on! 1129 00:47:19,629 --> 00:47:21,337 - Mr. T over the railing! 1130 00:47:21,381 --> 00:47:22,839 - Oh, no! 1131 00:47:22,924 --> 00:47:25,508 - Here comes mr. T, ladies and gentlemen... 1132 00:47:25,593 --> 00:47:27,176 - Who was going to save the day? 1133 00:47:27,220 --> 00:47:31,931 Well, mr. T, the biggest tv star in the united states. 1134 00:47:32,016 --> 00:47:36,060 Everybody in the country knows mr. T. 1135 00:47:36,145 --> 00:47:38,145 - They're inviting him inside the ring. 1136 00:47:38,231 --> 00:47:40,147 - And so insert mr. T. 1137 00:47:40,191 --> 00:47:43,442 It was vince's way to interject entertainment. 1138 00:47:43,528 --> 00:47:44,735 It was nothing but excitement and electricity 1139 00:47:44,821 --> 00:47:46,237 and it sure worked. 1140 00:47:46,322 --> 00:47:47,780 - I don't know anything 1141 00:47:47,866 --> 00:47:48,948 about his background as a wrestler... 1142 00:47:49,033 --> 00:47:50,241 - I used to be a bodyguard. 1143 00:47:50,326 --> 00:47:51,534 I used to be a bouncer at a disco 1144 00:47:51,578 --> 00:47:53,035 and all that stuff. 1145 00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:55,329 You know, now, I knew how to wrestle, you know, 1146 00:47:55,373 --> 00:47:57,540 and I wasn't no fluff. 1147 00:47:57,584 --> 00:48:00,710 So I stepped into the ring, and piper snuck up behind me. 1148 00:48:00,795 --> 00:48:02,378 - Piper nailed him from behind. 1149 00:48:02,422 --> 00:48:03,754 - I didn't think it would go down like that. 1150 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,298 If I'd knew it'd go down like that, 1151 00:48:05,383 --> 00:48:06,799 I would've have did something else. 1152 00:48:06,885 --> 00:48:08,009 So therefore I was so... 1153 00:48:08,094 --> 00:48:09,510 I guess I can say pissed. 1154 00:48:09,554 --> 00:48:11,470 - All hell has broken loose. 1155 00:48:11,556 --> 00:48:13,598 - Roddy was the ultimate bad guy. 1156 00:48:13,683 --> 00:48:16,350 He sold it. He practiced it. He was good at what he did. 1157 00:48:16,394 --> 00:48:18,436 - We've got a madhouse here. 1158 00:48:18,521 --> 00:48:20,563 - Security holding everyone back. 1159 00:48:20,648 --> 00:48:22,899 - And it just went--it just went berserk, you know? 1160 00:48:22,942 --> 00:48:24,483 It was-- [laughs] 1161 00:48:24,569 --> 00:48:26,402 I laugh at it now 'cause it's so old, 1162 00:48:26,487 --> 00:48:27,987 I think about it, you know. 1163 00:48:28,072 --> 00:48:30,072 It reminded me of the keystone cops 1164 00:48:30,116 --> 00:48:31,240 'cause everybody was fighting. 1165 00:48:31,284 --> 00:48:33,451 - What happened to our match? 1166 00:48:33,536 --> 00:48:35,244 - We don't have a match anymore. 1167 00:48:35,288 --> 00:48:36,287 It's pandemonium. 1168 00:48:36,372 --> 00:48:37,914 - Well, back then, 1169 00:48:37,957 --> 00:48:39,665 we were still really protecting the business. 1170 00:48:39,751 --> 00:48:41,584 "should we tell the cops what we're doing or not?" 1171 00:48:41,628 --> 00:48:43,336 and the standard mode was, 1172 00:48:43,421 --> 00:48:44,921 "oh, don't tell anybody anything." 1173 00:48:44,964 --> 00:48:46,589 let's just get their natural reaction. 1174 00:48:46,633 --> 00:48:48,758 - All of a sudden, some policemen 1175 00:48:48,801 --> 00:48:50,760 came in the ring on me. 1176 00:48:50,803 --> 00:48:54,263 There's a cop with a gun, and here the rest of 'em come. 1177 00:48:54,307 --> 00:48:55,556 - Piper was fighting the cops and everything. 1178 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,100 It was just insanity. 1179 00:48:58,186 --> 00:49:00,728 - Hulk hogan was the biggest hero. 1180 00:49:00,813 --> 00:49:02,021 ♪ ♪ 1181 00:49:02,106 --> 00:49:05,858 roddy piper was the most detested villain. 1182 00:49:05,944 --> 00:49:10,613 And now we are ready to start our road 1183 00:49:10,657 --> 00:49:16,744 to the first wrestlemania. 1184 00:49:16,829 --> 00:49:18,704 - Okay, ariel, let's go. Whoo, whoo, whoo! 1185 00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:20,206 Come on, ariel. 1186 00:49:20,291 --> 00:49:21,624 - She's tired. 1187 00:49:21,668 --> 00:49:24,085 There's the proud papa. 1188 00:49:24,170 --> 00:49:26,295 Papa piper. 1189 00:49:26,381 --> 00:49:29,632 - My dad often would say things like, 1190 00:49:29,717 --> 00:49:30,841 "I can't imagine how hard it is 1191 00:49:30,927 --> 00:49:32,051 to be roddy piper's kid." 1192 00:49:32,136 --> 00:49:35,930 - here comes roddy and ariel. 1193 00:49:36,015 --> 00:49:38,432 - He felt guilty, like he was some way a bad parent 1194 00:49:38,518 --> 00:49:40,643 because his career was, in some way, 1195 00:49:40,728 --> 00:49:42,019 affecting our lives. 1196 00:49:42,105 --> 00:49:43,771 [laughter and indistinct chatter] 1197 00:49:46,401 --> 00:49:49,110 - when we were starting out as a young family, 1198 00:49:49,195 --> 00:49:52,446 he came to me and said, 1199 00:49:52,532 --> 00:49:54,156 "I really do not want our children 1200 00:49:54,242 --> 00:49:56,367 "to grow up in a hundred different places. 1201 00:49:56,452 --> 00:49:58,119 I want them to have roots." 1202 00:49:58,204 --> 00:50:00,329 you sure are pretty. 1203 00:50:00,373 --> 00:50:03,249 'cause he never felt like he had a home. 1204 00:50:04,794 --> 00:50:06,335 We chose to live in the country... 1205 00:50:06,421 --> 00:50:07,795 - [laughing] 1206 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,422 - and have a lot of land around us. 1207 00:50:09,507 --> 00:50:12,008 It was a safe zone. 1208 00:50:12,051 --> 00:50:15,886 - We lived on a 10-acre ranch in the middle of nowhere, 1209 00:50:15,972 --> 00:50:17,555 end of a gravel road, 1210 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:22,476 and we really kept to just that ranch. 1211 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,854 - Good-bye. With any kind of luck, 1212 00:50:24,939 --> 00:50:26,897 she'll keep going and we won't have to feed her. 1213 00:50:26,983 --> 00:50:28,232 [laughs] 1214 00:50:28,317 --> 00:50:30,317 - we wanted to be isolated 1215 00:50:30,403 --> 00:50:33,237 because we had actual stalkers who would come 1216 00:50:33,322 --> 00:50:36,741 and try and break into our house or be on our property. 1217 00:50:38,077 --> 00:50:41,871 - We did not go to the malls. We did not go to the movies. 1218 00:50:41,956 --> 00:50:44,874 I must've gotten 30 fights in one year, 1219 00:50:44,917 --> 00:50:46,667 just because people wanted 1220 00:50:46,753 --> 00:50:48,878 to test their moxie against me. 1221 00:50:49,797 --> 00:50:50,880 [dog barks] 1222 00:50:50,923 --> 00:50:53,841 ♪ ♪ 1223 00:50:53,926 --> 00:50:55,885 - and this kind of thing is real life. 1224 00:50:55,928 --> 00:50:57,470 ♪ ♪ 1225 00:50:57,555 --> 00:51:00,556 this is the kind of thing that makes a family. 1226 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,308 ♪ ♪ 1227 00:51:02,393 --> 00:51:04,727 it's a great way of nature, 1228 00:51:04,771 --> 00:51:06,937 just teaching a family how to be a family 1229 00:51:07,023 --> 00:51:08,064 and stay together. 1230 00:51:08,107 --> 00:51:10,691 ♪ ♪ 1231 00:51:13,279 --> 00:51:17,364 - I had a meeting with a small room full of our executives, 1232 00:51:17,408 --> 00:51:18,783 and I said, 1233 00:51:18,868 --> 00:51:19,950 "there is a super bowl, you know. 1234 00:51:20,036 --> 00:51:21,243 There's a world series." 1235 00:51:21,287 --> 00:51:22,286 there's this, there's that. 1236 00:51:22,371 --> 00:51:24,038 It was really common sense. 1237 00:51:24,123 --> 00:51:26,540 So why not have one of your own? 1238 00:51:26,626 --> 00:51:28,584 Call it wrestlemania. 1239 00:51:28,669 --> 00:51:30,377 We would not have wrestlemania I 1240 00:51:30,463 --> 00:51:32,254 had it not been for roddy because you have to have, 1241 00:51:32,340 --> 00:51:35,049 again, a strong antagonist to go with the protagonist. 1242 00:51:35,134 --> 00:51:37,384 - Check this out, dude. Check that out. 1243 00:51:37,428 --> 00:51:38,928 - You have to have good stories 1244 00:51:38,971 --> 00:51:40,888 and you have to have bold characters 1245 00:51:40,973 --> 00:51:42,431 and larger-than-life individuals, 1246 00:51:42,475 --> 00:51:44,266 and roddy was all of that. 1247 00:51:44,352 --> 00:51:46,894 So I knew I had roddy, I knew I had hogan and mr. T. 1248 00:51:48,314 --> 00:51:49,772 It was like, that was gonna work. 1249 00:51:49,816 --> 00:51:53,150 - How does it feel to be portraying someone like myself? 1250 00:51:53,236 --> 00:51:54,568 - Well, you ain't nothing, man. 1251 00:51:54,654 --> 00:51:56,070 - Oh, oh, why? 1252 00:51:56,155 --> 00:51:58,322 Oh, because I don't have a chair with my name on it? 1253 00:51:58,407 --> 00:52:00,908 - Roddy piper really did not like mr. T. 1254 00:52:00,993 --> 00:52:03,202 - Don't look at-- - hey, hey, hey. 1255 00:52:03,287 --> 00:52:04,995 [overlapping shouting] 1256 00:52:05,081 --> 00:52:08,707 - in those days, you know, you really paid some dues 1257 00:52:08,793 --> 00:52:11,127 to be in the main event. 1258 00:52:11,170 --> 00:52:15,089 Then mr. T walks in, not even having a match anywhere, 1259 00:52:15,174 --> 00:52:17,633 and it's like, "what right does he have to be in my ring 1260 00:52:17,718 --> 00:52:18,801 in the main event?" 1261 00:52:18,886 --> 00:52:20,427 - you want to get in there, brother, 1262 00:52:20,513 --> 00:52:22,346 and you want to try some fighting, huh? 1263 00:52:22,431 --> 00:52:25,933 - We'd never brought in somebody from the outside, 1264 00:52:26,018 --> 00:52:27,476 and one of the biggest problems I had 1265 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,479 was the barbaric mindset of piper and orndorff. 1266 00:52:30,565 --> 00:52:32,314 - You're looking at someone that will... 1267 00:52:32,358 --> 00:52:33,691 - "he's an actor. He's not into wrestling. 1268 00:52:33,776 --> 00:52:34,775 We're just gonna break his legs." 1269 00:52:34,861 --> 00:52:36,318 I said, "guys, please." 1270 00:52:36,404 --> 00:52:38,279 - how can I say it without sounding cocky? 1271 00:52:38,322 --> 00:52:41,031 They didn't understand that bringing me in 1272 00:52:41,117 --> 00:52:42,992 would broaden they thing 1273 00:52:43,077 --> 00:52:45,536 because, basically, you know, vince, 1274 00:52:45,621 --> 00:52:47,454 being the pioneer that he is, he said, 1275 00:52:47,540 --> 00:52:49,707 "wow, we gonna broaden, bring it to the world." 1276 00:52:49,792 --> 00:52:51,375 - you come on down, t. 1277 00:52:51,460 --> 00:52:54,670 We'll put an x where the t should be. 1278 00:52:54,755 --> 00:52:57,464 - Roddy hated the thought of a mr. T 1279 00:52:57,550 --> 00:52:59,842 coming into his arena. 1280 00:52:59,927 --> 00:53:02,803 It's an insult. It's a slap in the face to the business. 1281 00:53:02,889 --> 00:53:04,805 - I had these two guys 1282 00:53:04,891 --> 00:53:06,682 that had this old-school mentality, 1283 00:53:06,767 --> 00:53:11,187 and plus I got this guy who's got this real edgy attitude. 1284 00:53:11,272 --> 00:53:12,730 You know, he's always talking in the third person. 1285 00:53:12,815 --> 00:53:14,190 "mr. T don't put up with that." 1286 00:53:14,275 --> 00:53:15,524 - mr. T ain't no powder puff, 1287 00:53:15,610 --> 00:53:17,651 you had to understand, you know. 1288 00:53:17,737 --> 00:53:20,404 - They didn't want to lose to mr. T 1289 00:53:20,489 --> 00:53:22,281 because he's not a "real wrestler." 1290 00:53:22,366 --> 00:53:24,158 [no audible dialogue] 1291 00:53:24,243 --> 00:53:27,494 - there I am, the hottest heel they've ever had, 1292 00:53:27,580 --> 00:53:31,123 and now they want me to take a dive. 1293 00:53:31,209 --> 00:53:33,334 I said, "I ain't doing it." 1294 00:53:33,419 --> 00:53:35,336 - I was kind of like the babysitter, 1295 00:53:35,421 --> 00:53:37,213 the moderator, the peacekeeper, 1296 00:53:37,256 --> 00:53:39,465 and I was ready to have a nervous breakdown. 1297 00:53:39,550 --> 00:53:43,677 - The wrestling extravaganza of all time, wrestlemania. 1298 00:53:43,763 --> 00:53:45,012 - The people knew 1299 00:53:45,097 --> 00:53:47,765 the wrestling business was changing that night. 1300 00:53:47,850 --> 00:53:52,603 There was a fever pitch in madison square garden. 1301 00:53:52,688 --> 00:53:54,271 - Piper's gonna get it. - Get what? 1302 00:53:54,357 --> 00:53:55,689 - Get his butt kicked. 1303 00:53:55,775 --> 00:53:57,733 ♪ ♪ 1304 00:53:57,818 --> 00:54:02,404 - what do you do to show the world what this product is 1305 00:54:02,490 --> 00:54:04,907 and what it will be, you know, in a really big way? 1306 00:54:04,951 --> 00:54:07,451 Liberace, how the hell doe he fit into any of this? 1307 00:54:07,536 --> 00:54:09,370 He doesn't. That's why I had him. 1308 00:54:09,455 --> 00:54:13,123 This is what sports entertainment is all about. 1309 00:54:13,209 --> 00:54:15,459 It was everything we had, we threw it in, 1310 00:54:15,544 --> 00:54:17,586 and let's roll the dice and do it in a big way. 1311 00:54:17,630 --> 00:54:19,713 Everything I had was on the line. 1312 00:54:19,799 --> 00:54:20,923 [playing spirited bagpipe music] 1313 00:54:20,967 --> 00:54:22,508 - there he is. 1314 00:54:22,593 --> 00:54:23,717 [crowd booing] 1315 00:54:23,803 --> 00:54:25,552 - rowdy roddy piper... 1316 00:54:25,638 --> 00:54:29,223 - Here is what is arguably the turning point 1317 00:54:29,308 --> 00:54:32,601 of the wwe in just so many ways. 1318 00:54:32,645 --> 00:54:34,770 Roddy was very stubborn, 1319 00:54:34,814 --> 00:54:37,064 but you're about to make more money 1320 00:54:37,149 --> 00:54:39,733 than you ever had in your entire lifetime. 1321 00:54:39,819 --> 00:54:41,610 [bell dings] 1322 00:54:41,696 --> 00:54:44,113 - there goes the bell. Look at the bell by liberace. 1323 00:54:44,198 --> 00:54:45,739 - Fans are chanting t, t, t. 1324 00:54:45,825 --> 00:54:46,949 And they're going nose-to-nose. 1325 00:54:46,993 --> 00:54:48,659 - Lookit, nose-to-nose. 1326 00:54:48,744 --> 00:54:51,578 - Mr. T and rowdy roddy piper, nose-to-nose... 1327 00:54:51,664 --> 00:54:54,623 - Roddy was smart enough to know, 1328 00:54:54,709 --> 00:54:56,083 "yeah, I'm gonna do business, 1329 00:54:56,127 --> 00:54:57,293 and I'm gonna make it look right. 1330 00:54:57,336 --> 00:54:59,503 You don't have to like it. 1331 00:54:59,588 --> 00:55:01,839 - They're exchanging--oh! 1332 00:55:01,924 --> 00:55:04,800 Piper now goes behind quickly, takes him down to the canvas. 1333 00:55:04,844 --> 00:55:08,429 - At a certain point, roddy piper instructs mr. T, 1334 00:55:08,472 --> 00:55:10,889 "pick me up in a fireman's carry." 1335 00:55:10,975 --> 00:55:13,559 - oh, nice fireman's carry. 1336 00:55:13,644 --> 00:55:15,102 - Even though he didn't want 1337 00:55:15,187 --> 00:55:17,354 mr. T to take advantage of him, 1338 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,691 roddy piper knows how to sell himself, 1339 00:55:20,776 --> 00:55:23,610 and he knows that's the photo 1340 00:55:23,696 --> 00:55:25,279 that will go all over the world. 1341 00:55:25,364 --> 00:55:27,114 ♪ ♪ 1342 00:55:27,158 --> 00:55:28,824 - what's he gonna do with him? 1343 00:55:28,868 --> 00:55:31,243 Oh, drops him like yesterday's newspaper. 1344 00:55:31,329 --> 00:55:32,703 - You need to make mr. T the hero. 1345 00:55:32,788 --> 00:55:34,288 This is what this is all about. 1346 00:55:34,373 --> 00:55:35,748 - Mr. T now in the wrong corner. 1347 00:55:35,833 --> 00:55:37,541 Here comes the hulk. 1348 00:55:37,626 --> 00:55:39,126 - Mr. T should have beaten one of those guys 1349 00:55:39,211 --> 00:55:40,627 right in the middle of the ring, 1350 00:55:40,713 --> 00:55:42,129 preferably piper. 1351 00:55:42,173 --> 00:55:43,630 - As piper was about to lower-- 1352 00:55:43,716 --> 00:55:45,299 look out! 1353 00:55:45,384 --> 00:55:48,010 - But instead, they had to have orton 1354 00:55:48,054 --> 00:55:49,928 jump off the top rope with a cast. 1355 00:55:50,014 --> 00:55:53,640 It hits orndorff on the head just so we could get a win. 1356 00:55:53,726 --> 00:55:55,642 Piper didn't want to do the job, 1357 00:55:55,728 --> 00:55:57,811 even in wrestlemania. 1358 00:55:57,897 --> 00:55:59,730 You're the bad guy. You're supposed to get beat. 1359 00:55:59,815 --> 00:56:01,231 That's what bad guys do. 1360 00:56:01,317 --> 00:56:03,025 ♪ ♪ 1361 00:56:03,069 --> 00:56:05,861 he was so protective about protecting roddy piper, 1362 00:56:05,946 --> 00:56:09,865 and he didn't realize if you just listen to our opinion, 1363 00:56:09,909 --> 00:56:12,159 I think you might find things a lot easier. 1364 00:56:12,244 --> 00:56:13,994 ♪ ♪ 1365 00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,205 but piper didn't like me, you know, at all. 1366 00:56:16,248 --> 00:56:18,707 I mean, there was no rapport at all with him and I. 1367 00:56:18,751 --> 00:56:20,250 It was strictly business. 1368 00:56:20,336 --> 00:56:22,211 We didn't talk unless we had to. 1369 00:56:22,296 --> 00:56:25,089 But later on in life, piper and I got to be real good friends. 1370 00:56:25,174 --> 00:56:26,882 I said, "you screwed up, man. 1371 00:56:26,967 --> 00:56:28,675 "you could've been one of the richest guys I've ever met, 1372 00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,178 but you wouldn't let me beat you." 1373 00:56:31,263 --> 00:56:32,388 so he goes, "damn it. I'm so pissed. 1374 00:56:32,473 --> 00:56:33,847 I wish we would've talked." 1375 00:56:33,933 --> 00:56:36,225 I said, "I tried to talk. You wouldn't talk to me." 1376 00:56:37,770 --> 00:56:39,895 - hulk hogan, mr. T, 1377 00:56:39,980 --> 00:56:43,065 kind of taking the center stage of that whole event, 1378 00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:45,234 he always felt 1379 00:56:45,277 --> 00:56:46,902 they couldn't have been the center stage 1380 00:56:46,946 --> 00:56:48,904 without him being there, being the bad guy. 1381 00:56:48,948 --> 00:56:52,908 And he knew his worth. He knew his worth. 1382 00:56:52,952 --> 00:56:59,081 - It's things like that that made roddy the ultimate rebel. 1383 00:56:59,125 --> 00:57:02,000 ♪ ♪ 1384 00:57:02,086 --> 00:57:04,044 - for myself to stay on top, 1385 00:57:04,130 --> 00:57:07,089 I needed to get out of the business completely, 1386 00:57:07,133 --> 00:57:09,299 do something in another form. 1387 00:57:09,385 --> 00:57:11,051 ♪ ♪ 1388 00:57:11,137 --> 00:57:12,719 - I spent a lot of time with roddy 1389 00:57:12,805 --> 00:57:14,680 and had a lot of big talks with roddy 1390 00:57:14,765 --> 00:57:16,098 about that time period, 1391 00:57:16,183 --> 00:57:17,975 and I remember roddy basically telling me 1392 00:57:18,060 --> 00:57:22,396 that you got to have something else after wrestling. 1393 00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:23,480 "what are you gonna do after that?" 1394 00:57:23,566 --> 00:57:25,107 and he's like, "hollywood." 1395 00:57:25,151 --> 00:57:29,111 ♪ ♪ 1396 00:57:29,196 --> 00:57:33,282 - roddy had a quality that I could use in a movie. 1397 00:57:33,325 --> 00:57:35,200 - Well, first of all, he didn't have a pretty-boy face 1398 00:57:35,286 --> 00:57:36,952 like a hollywood actor, 1399 00:57:36,996 --> 00:57:40,122 and this role required him to be kind of a working man. 1400 00:57:40,207 --> 00:57:42,458 - You, you're okay. 1401 00:57:42,501 --> 00:57:45,252 This one? Real [bleep] ugly. 1402 00:57:45,337 --> 00:57:48,797 - The character of john nada is really based a lot on roddy 1403 00:57:48,841 --> 00:57:50,757 and his past and what he'd been through, 1404 00:57:50,843 --> 00:57:52,968 and he added a lot of color to that. 1405 00:57:53,012 --> 00:57:56,096 He gave me a notebook. 1406 00:57:56,182 --> 00:57:58,474 Now, this notebook were written all these phrases 1407 00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:00,476 and ideas he had for interviews. 1408 00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:03,103 ♪ ♪ 1409 00:58:03,189 --> 00:58:04,813 and right there, sitting there, was, 1410 00:58:04,857 --> 00:58:06,482 "I've come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass, 1411 00:58:06,525 --> 00:58:09,026 and I'm all out of bubble gum." 1412 00:58:09,111 --> 00:58:11,111 I went, "that's a great line. I could use that." 1413 00:58:11,197 --> 00:58:16,158 - I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass, 1414 00:58:16,243 --> 00:58:18,660 and I'm all out of bubble gum. 1415 00:58:18,746 --> 00:58:19,786 - Oh, [bleep]! [gunshot] 1416 00:58:22,541 --> 00:58:26,126 - that's all his idea. That was all from his brain. 1417 00:58:26,212 --> 00:58:28,962 - I've never felt safer in my life 1418 00:58:29,048 --> 00:58:31,965 than fighting with roddy piper. 1419 00:58:32,051 --> 00:58:33,967 [both grunting] 1420 00:58:35,221 --> 00:58:36,887 I believe that fight scene 1421 00:58:36,972 --> 00:58:39,348 lasts literally about seven minutes onscreen. 1422 00:58:39,433 --> 00:58:41,600 [both grunting and shouting] 1423 00:58:41,685 --> 00:58:42,976 - we really, you know, 1424 00:58:43,020 --> 00:58:45,062 choreographed the [bleep] out of it. 1425 00:58:45,147 --> 00:58:48,440 But there was one time we were both so hyped up-- 1426 00:58:48,526 --> 00:58:49,733 I was especially hyped up-- 1427 00:58:49,818 --> 00:58:52,194 and that first punch, 1428 00:58:52,238 --> 00:58:53,987 I hit him right in the face. 1429 00:58:54,073 --> 00:58:56,740 And it was--and I'd be like, "oh, [bleep]. Oh, [bleep]." 1430 00:58:56,825 --> 00:58:58,325 and he's like, "come on, man. Don't worry. 1431 00:58:58,410 --> 00:59:00,827 "come on, snap out of it. Come on, let's start again." 1432 00:59:00,913 --> 00:59:02,287 and he was great. 1433 00:59:02,373 --> 00:59:05,958 - Brother, life's a bitch. 1434 00:59:07,253 --> 00:59:08,835 Don't feel sorry for me. 1435 00:59:08,921 --> 00:59:10,379 My name's john nada. 1436 00:59:10,464 --> 00:59:12,047 - [laughs] 1437 00:59:12,091 --> 00:59:13,882 a year and a half we were in los angeles 1438 00:59:13,968 --> 00:59:15,300 while he was filming those movies. 1439 00:59:15,386 --> 00:59:16,677 He brought the scripts home, 1440 00:59:16,762 --> 00:59:18,428 and we'd go over them. 1441 00:59:18,514 --> 00:59:22,599 He was always leaving to go to acting classes. 1442 00:59:23,769 --> 00:59:26,478 I mean, it was--it was a whole nother lifestyle. 1443 00:59:29,275 --> 00:59:31,400 - It was not like it was today, 1444 00:59:31,443 --> 00:59:33,026 where it's a lot more flexible 1445 00:59:33,112 --> 00:59:35,237 for wrestlers to also do acting. 1446 00:59:35,281 --> 00:59:37,072 Back then, it was, you didn't do that. 1447 00:59:37,157 --> 00:59:39,408 It was not an easy road to be, 1448 00:59:39,451 --> 00:59:42,035 really, the first wrestler to go into film. 1449 00:59:42,121 --> 00:59:43,161 - When vince was booking everything, 1450 00:59:43,247 --> 00:59:44,788 without piper's name, 1451 00:59:44,873 --> 00:59:47,583 it was real hard for us to make that transition 1452 00:59:47,626 --> 00:59:49,751 'cause piper was so hot at the time. 1453 00:59:49,795 --> 00:59:51,378 - If roddy wanted to go off and do film, 1454 00:59:51,463 --> 00:59:53,046 what am I going to say? 1455 00:59:53,132 --> 00:59:54,715 No, don't take advantage of that opportunity? 1456 00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:56,758 As long as I know that he's coming back. 1457 00:59:56,844 --> 00:59:59,553 - He loved acting and he loved the work of it 1458 00:59:59,638 --> 01:00:01,555 but he felt alienated 1459 01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,390 and didn't really have a lot in common 1460 01:00:03,475 --> 01:00:06,059 with a lot of the people in hollywood. 1461 01:00:06,145 --> 01:00:08,687 - The only people that can understand me 1462 01:00:08,772 --> 01:00:10,147 are other wrestlers. 1463 01:00:10,232 --> 01:00:12,733 ♪ ♪ 1464 01:00:12,818 --> 01:00:15,485 I needed to come back to the wwe... 1465 01:00:15,571 --> 01:00:17,237 ♪ ♪ 1466 01:00:17,323 --> 01:00:18,739 and walk back in the front door. 1467 01:00:18,824 --> 01:00:24,870 ♪ ♪ 1468 01:00:24,955 --> 01:00:27,414 - rowdy roddy piper! 1469 01:00:27,499 --> 01:00:32,461 - When I came back into wrestling from hollywood, 1470 01:00:32,504 --> 01:00:36,965 bringing that credibility back was huge. 1471 01:00:38,677 --> 01:00:40,927 - As far as roddy's standpoint is, 1472 01:00:40,971 --> 01:00:42,387 well, you had to bring me back 1473 01:00:42,473 --> 01:00:43,972 because I was the greatest star of all time. 1474 01:00:44,058 --> 01:00:47,726 You know, that would be roddy's point of view. 1475 01:00:47,811 --> 01:00:49,353 But it didn't matter what you want. 1476 01:00:49,438 --> 01:00:51,647 You give the audience what they want. 1477 01:00:51,690 --> 01:00:54,274 They want roddy to come back, well, let's give them roddy. 1478 01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,110 - Standing ovation here for rowdy roddy. 1479 01:00:57,196 --> 01:00:58,862 - And after a respite, 1480 01:00:58,947 --> 01:01:00,447 you know, roddy's ready to come back. 1481 01:01:00,532 --> 01:01:02,199 Great, he's fresh. He's new all over again. 1482 01:01:02,284 --> 01:01:03,492 Different set of opponents. 1483 01:01:03,577 --> 01:01:05,160 - Mr. Downey? 1484 01:01:05,245 --> 01:01:07,329 - Yes, mr. Piper? 1485 01:01:07,414 --> 01:01:09,998 - Don't blow no more smoke in my face. 1486 01:01:10,042 --> 01:01:11,166 - Morton downey, jr., was a talk show host. 1487 01:01:11,210 --> 01:01:12,584 You know, he was a big mouth. 1488 01:01:12,670 --> 01:01:14,294 And roddy had this impeccable timing. 1489 01:01:14,380 --> 01:01:17,714 So when downey blows smoke in roddy's face, 1490 01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,051 it's like, "one, two, three, four." 1491 01:01:21,136 --> 01:01:23,011 instead of immediately doing it, 1492 01:01:23,055 --> 01:01:24,680 "watch something's going to happen now." 1493 01:01:24,723 --> 01:01:25,847 and then it does. 1494 01:01:25,933 --> 01:01:27,140 - Ya-ha! 1495 01:01:27,184 --> 01:01:28,141 [laughs] 1496 01:01:30,020 --> 01:01:31,853 - he was so creative. 1497 01:01:31,897 --> 01:01:34,022 - I think the fire is out, jess. 1498 01:01:34,108 --> 01:01:35,482 - Very quick on his feet. 1499 01:01:35,567 --> 01:01:37,025 ♪ ♪ 1500 01:01:37,111 --> 01:01:40,445 but at the same time, he was very opinionated 1501 01:01:40,531 --> 01:01:42,906 and wanted someone to listen to his opinion. 1502 01:01:42,991 --> 01:01:45,075 I listened to a lot of roddy's ideas, 1503 01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,035 some of which were really dead on 1504 01:01:47,121 --> 01:01:49,830 and some of which were, whew, wow, that was out there. 1505 01:01:49,915 --> 01:01:51,832 - They say you shouldn't blow your own horn. 1506 01:01:51,875 --> 01:01:53,208 Don't they say that? Why not? 1507 01:01:53,252 --> 01:01:55,502 - You are the most arrogant individual 1508 01:01:55,587 --> 01:01:57,295 I think we've ever had. 1509 01:01:57,381 --> 01:01:58,755 - I believe roddy once described our relationship 1510 01:01:58,841 --> 01:02:01,216 as a love-hate relationship. 1511 01:02:01,260 --> 01:02:02,926 We never fought. 1512 01:02:03,011 --> 01:02:05,554 There were a couple times when it was very close, 1513 01:02:05,597 --> 01:02:07,597 but that was the way it was back in those days. 1514 01:02:07,683 --> 01:02:09,850 A lot of times, you settled things in a fistfight. 1515 01:02:09,893 --> 01:02:11,476 You just did. 1516 01:02:11,562 --> 01:02:14,062 - Vince and I were two peas in a pod. 1517 01:02:14,106 --> 01:02:15,981 I love the ass[bleep]. 1518 01:02:16,066 --> 01:02:17,232 I do. 1519 01:02:17,276 --> 01:02:19,025 He's an ass[bleep] sometimes. 1520 01:02:19,111 --> 01:02:21,486 So am I. 1521 01:02:21,572 --> 01:02:23,405 [crowd chanting "roddy"] 1522 01:02:23,449 --> 01:02:27,075 - roddy piper was an attraction all to himself. 1523 01:02:27,161 --> 01:02:29,703 The fans could no longer boo him. 1524 01:02:29,788 --> 01:02:31,413 ♪ ♪ 1525 01:02:31,457 --> 01:02:34,249 you came to see roddy piper's intensity, 1526 01:02:34,293 --> 01:02:36,585 you came to hear his big mouth, 1527 01:02:36,628 --> 01:02:40,464 and you came to watch that frenzied, 1528 01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:45,010 kinetic spirit he brought between the ropes. 1529 01:02:45,095 --> 01:02:49,973 - Rowdy roddy piper! 1530 01:02:50,058 --> 01:02:54,603 - Whether he won or whether he was humiliated, 1531 01:02:54,646 --> 01:02:56,563 he was a draw, and he remained a draw. 1532 01:02:56,648 --> 01:02:59,816 - We have a new intercontinental champion: 1533 01:02:59,902 --> 01:03:02,694 Hot rod rowdy roddy piper. 1534 01:03:02,780 --> 01:03:05,614 - Roddy piper was maturing, 1535 01:03:05,699 --> 01:03:08,825 and it wasn't all about roddy 1536 01:03:08,911 --> 01:03:14,164 and roddy was proving that, hey, I can make people too. 1537 01:03:14,249 --> 01:03:16,082 ♪ ♪ 1538 01:03:16,168 --> 01:03:19,002 - I wouldn't lay my shoulders down for anybody. 1539 01:03:19,087 --> 01:03:22,923 But when I do, I make somebody, 1540 01:03:23,008 --> 01:03:24,800 and it means something. 1541 01:03:24,843 --> 01:03:26,551 - This is going to be something! 1542 01:03:27,554 --> 01:03:29,304 - This was a special match. 1543 01:03:29,389 --> 01:03:30,680 This is the biggest moment in my life, 1544 01:03:30,766 --> 01:03:31,848 for sure, up to this point. 1545 01:03:31,934 --> 01:03:34,976 Roddy really launched me. 1546 01:03:35,062 --> 01:03:36,853 Like, my whole career just starting climbing, 1547 01:03:36,939 --> 01:03:40,148 and it was roddy was the one that gave me that first boost. 1548 01:03:40,192 --> 01:03:42,901 - This is the first time these two men are meeting 1549 01:03:42,986 --> 01:03:44,444 for the world wrestling entertainment 1550 01:03:44,530 --> 01:03:45,987 intercontinental title. 1551 01:03:46,031 --> 01:03:48,073 - I think the last time--I think I did watch this, maybe, 1552 01:03:48,158 --> 01:03:49,157 when roddy died. 1553 01:03:49,201 --> 01:03:50,617 I always make a point of, like, 1554 01:03:50,702 --> 01:03:53,495 trying to go back and find some good memories. 1555 01:03:53,539 --> 01:03:57,541 - I always felt roddy took a special interest in me. 1556 01:03:57,626 --> 01:03:59,209 Roddy was born in saskatoon, 1557 01:03:59,294 --> 01:04:01,127 and my dad grew up in saskatoon. 1558 01:04:01,213 --> 01:04:03,839 And there was a possibility that their name-- 1559 01:04:03,882 --> 01:04:05,340 like, they were in the same family. 1560 01:04:05,384 --> 01:04:08,051 Maybe there was some blood between us. 1561 01:04:08,136 --> 01:04:10,178 When I first met him, 1562 01:04:10,264 --> 01:04:12,013 we joked that we might be cousins. 1563 01:04:12,057 --> 01:04:13,765 Like, it was like, "hey, cuz." 1564 01:04:13,851 --> 01:04:16,560 and I didn't mind. I never minded roddy being a cousin. 1565 01:04:16,645 --> 01:04:21,147 - I know this guy since he'd been knee-high to a grasshopper. 1566 01:04:21,191 --> 01:04:23,692 I remember when they were changing your potty pants. 1567 01:04:23,735 --> 01:04:26,611 - I think it was a message to the other wrestlers, 1568 01:04:26,697 --> 01:04:28,363 some of the other superstars 1569 01:04:28,448 --> 01:04:30,448 that weren't in the habit of reaching down 1570 01:04:30,534 --> 01:04:32,117 to help the next guys. 1571 01:04:32,202 --> 01:04:33,785 Roddy was like, "here, I'll show you how it's done." 1572 01:04:33,871 --> 01:04:36,246 - eye-to-eye, nose-to-nose. 1573 01:04:36,331 --> 01:04:38,331 - But I was relieved to find out 1574 01:04:38,417 --> 01:04:40,375 that this guy's really pitching for me. 1575 01:04:40,419 --> 01:04:42,544 He's actually opening the doors for me. 1576 01:04:43,881 --> 01:04:45,213 That match was roddy's match. 1577 01:04:45,299 --> 01:04:46,506 - Now rowdy roddy... 1578 01:04:46,550 --> 01:04:48,049 Oh, bulldog! 1579 01:04:48,093 --> 01:04:50,010 - Roddy put that match together. 1580 01:04:50,053 --> 01:04:51,928 - Wide open! 1581 01:04:52,014 --> 01:04:55,473 - Roddy was so tuned in to what would work with the fans. 1582 01:04:55,559 --> 01:04:56,933 - He's got the bell. 1583 01:04:57,019 --> 01:04:58,560 Piper's gonna ring his bell. 1584 01:04:58,604 --> 01:05:01,479 - They don't want him to brain me with the bell. 1585 01:05:02,608 --> 01:05:04,232 "no, no, don't do it." 1586 01:05:04,276 --> 01:05:06,610 - he's having second thoughts. 1587 01:05:06,695 --> 01:05:08,236 - His conscience gets the better of him, 1588 01:05:08,322 --> 01:05:11,323 and he changes his mind here and decides not to. 1589 01:05:13,035 --> 01:05:14,200 - Oh, look at that move 1590 01:05:14,244 --> 01:05:16,119 off the turnbuckle! 1591 01:05:16,204 --> 01:05:17,746 It's over! [crowd cheers] 1592 01:05:17,831 --> 01:05:19,372 - see that? Being a nice guy, it cost him. 1593 01:05:19,416 --> 01:05:20,540 Idiot. 1594 01:05:21,793 --> 01:05:23,126 [laughs] 1595 01:05:23,211 --> 01:05:24,794 ♪ ♪ 1596 01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,255 over the years, roddy told me many times 1597 01:05:27,299 --> 01:05:29,257 that it was his most favorite match, 1598 01:05:29,301 --> 01:05:32,344 and, you know, you never forget that. 1599 01:05:33,347 --> 01:05:35,305 - There's an old saying that's, 1600 01:05:35,390 --> 01:05:37,641 "you need a license to hunt. You need a license to fish. 1601 01:05:37,726 --> 01:05:39,225 "any jerk can have a kid. 1602 01:05:39,269 --> 01:05:41,394 It takes a man to be a dad." 1603 01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:42,854 ♪ ♪ 1604 01:05:42,940 --> 01:05:44,606 oh, man. 1605 01:05:44,650 --> 01:05:48,109 - When I look at my childhood, my dad was gone almost every day 1606 01:05:48,195 --> 01:05:49,861 for at least up until I was five. 1607 01:05:49,947 --> 01:05:53,615 - The first, at least, 12 years of my life, 1608 01:05:53,700 --> 01:05:55,617 he was gone for long periods of time. 1609 01:05:55,661 --> 01:05:58,411 I think at one point, I didn't see him for over a year. 1610 01:05:58,497 --> 01:06:00,288 ♪ ♪ 1611 01:06:00,332 --> 01:06:01,498 - we both made the same choice, 1612 01:06:01,583 --> 01:06:02,999 that the wrestling business 1613 01:06:03,085 --> 01:06:05,293 took precedent over anything, even family, 1614 01:06:05,379 --> 01:06:07,045 so that's a tough choice 1615 01:06:07,130 --> 01:06:08,964 to look in the mirror and live with. 1616 01:06:09,049 --> 01:06:15,136 - You were gone at least 300 days a year, every year. 1617 01:06:15,222 --> 01:06:18,515 Roddy was--like me, was a real strong family man. 1618 01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,518 You know, you-- you commiserate together, 1619 01:06:21,603 --> 01:06:23,645 and you're missing your kids' birthday parties 1620 01:06:23,689 --> 01:06:25,522 and you miss Halloween 1621 01:06:25,607 --> 01:06:27,649 and you miss all these little special days all the time. 1622 01:06:27,693 --> 01:06:29,484 You see pictures, 1623 01:06:29,569 --> 01:06:31,820 the heartbreak at home of being gone all the time. 1624 01:06:31,863 --> 01:06:34,739 You know, it's just this very tough part of your life. 1625 01:06:34,825 --> 01:06:39,160 - When roddy would come home and have to be dad, 1626 01:06:39,246 --> 01:06:42,163 he was always fun. 1627 01:06:42,249 --> 01:06:43,748 [kids chattering excitedly] 1628 01:06:43,834 --> 01:06:46,626 he would spoil them rotten. 1629 01:06:48,296 --> 01:06:50,171 He would pull them out of school, 1630 01:06:50,215 --> 01:06:52,090 didn't matter what was going on. 1631 01:06:53,093 --> 01:06:55,010 [girls screaming] 1632 01:06:55,095 --> 01:06:59,472 christmas, he was always home, and always lots of presents. 1633 01:07:00,851 --> 01:07:03,685 - Hey, you! - A lot of cuddle time. 1634 01:07:03,729 --> 01:07:08,231 He was trying very hard to create what he didn't have. 1635 01:07:08,316 --> 01:07:12,193 - He would come home, and he would be so exhausted, 1636 01:07:12,237 --> 01:07:14,029 you know, while trying to see us. 1637 01:07:14,114 --> 01:07:16,281 And then he would want to have fun 1638 01:07:16,366 --> 01:07:18,450 or just do something as a family. 1639 01:07:18,535 --> 01:07:21,077 And then immediately, like, as soon as we were having fun, 1640 01:07:21,163 --> 01:07:24,164 you could see him getting antsy about work. 1641 01:07:24,249 --> 01:07:26,041 You could see it start to tick like a clock, 1642 01:07:26,126 --> 01:07:27,584 going faster and faster. 1643 01:07:27,669 --> 01:07:29,335 And I think he missed it. 1644 01:07:29,421 --> 01:07:31,296 You know, he missed us when he was gone, 1645 01:07:31,381 --> 01:07:34,257 and he missed the action when he was home. 1646 01:07:34,342 --> 01:07:36,718 - He was like a runaway as a kid growing up 1647 01:07:36,762 --> 01:07:40,555 and spent a lot of time on the road in his own mind-set. 1648 01:07:40,599 --> 01:07:43,141 Like, roddy against the world. 1649 01:07:43,226 --> 01:07:46,019 He was not like any other wrestler. 1650 01:07:46,104 --> 01:07:48,563 He was in his own world. 1651 01:07:48,648 --> 01:07:51,566 I think that world also meant going away. 1652 01:07:51,610 --> 01:07:55,945 - I'm gonna get 30 minutes with my dad this month. 1653 01:07:56,031 --> 01:07:57,989 I just want to hug him, cuddle with him, 1654 01:07:58,075 --> 01:08:00,450 kiss him, and do whatever I can in that time, 1655 01:08:00,535 --> 01:08:01,743 because I literally get him 1656 01:08:01,828 --> 01:08:03,411 on his transfer layover flight. 1657 01:08:03,497 --> 01:08:05,580 He wasn't an nfl player that had a season. 1658 01:08:05,624 --> 01:08:06,873 He went 365. 1659 01:08:06,958 --> 01:08:08,458 - [plays note] - there you go. 1660 01:08:08,543 --> 01:08:10,794 - They never liked seeing him go, 1661 01:08:10,879 --> 01:08:12,796 everyone, including myself. 1662 01:08:12,881 --> 01:08:14,547 - If you could wish for anything in the whole world, 1663 01:08:14,591 --> 01:08:16,132 what would you wish for? 1664 01:08:16,218 --> 01:08:19,719 - For my family to be together all the time. 1665 01:08:26,728 --> 01:08:28,103 You know, it's hard not to get sad 1666 01:08:28,146 --> 01:08:30,438 when he's going out the door, but... 1667 01:08:30,524 --> 01:08:31,856 Sorry. [clears throat] 1668 01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:34,359 [exhales] 1669 01:08:34,444 --> 01:08:37,987 ♪ ♪ 1670 01:08:38,073 --> 01:08:43,409 [whispers] I need a minute. 1671 01:08:43,495 --> 01:08:45,036 ♪ ♪ 1672 01:08:45,122 --> 01:08:48,998 - it's hard to live with a man that has constant injuries. 1673 01:08:49,084 --> 01:08:54,129 Of course, they varied from bruises to broken bones. 1674 01:08:54,172 --> 01:08:58,758 He never let on how bad he was hurting. 1675 01:08:58,844 --> 01:09:02,595 I would beg him to sit still and recover from an injury. 1676 01:09:02,681 --> 01:09:04,430 Yes, yes, I would. 1677 01:09:04,516 --> 01:09:07,809 But you cannot make rod do anything he doesn't want to. 1678 01:09:07,853 --> 01:09:09,269 ♪ ♪ 1679 01:09:09,354 --> 01:09:11,813 - dad was injured 90% of the time. 1680 01:09:11,857 --> 01:09:13,314 ♪ ♪ 1681 01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:15,024 so when I say I had to lace his boots up 1682 01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:16,776 since I was eight years old, 1683 01:09:16,820 --> 01:09:18,570 it's because it physically hurt him. 1684 01:09:20,824 --> 01:09:23,825 - He is sorely outnumbered here. 1685 01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:26,995 - I remember the first time that I really felt, like, 1686 01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:28,663 wow, he is mortal. 1687 01:09:28,707 --> 01:09:31,916 - Hogan gives a whuppin' on him. 1688 01:09:32,002 --> 01:09:34,961 - And truly hating hogan. 1689 01:09:35,005 --> 01:09:36,379 [crowd cheering] 1690 01:09:36,464 --> 01:09:38,089 - they can't hold him down! 1691 01:09:38,175 --> 01:09:41,467 - The hardest thing as a kid, for me, 1692 01:09:41,553 --> 01:09:43,178 was knowing your dad's injuries. 1693 01:09:43,221 --> 01:09:44,846 - And he had just had a hip replacement. 1694 01:09:44,890 --> 01:09:47,390 - Showing that scar there. You can see it. 1695 01:09:47,475 --> 01:09:49,350 - He had a scar from the hip replacement. 1696 01:09:49,394 --> 01:09:51,811 Hulk hogan took a chair and hit my dad. 1697 01:09:51,897 --> 01:09:54,189 - Oh, no! No! 1698 01:09:54,274 --> 01:09:55,648 - He's not supposed to be wrestling. 1699 01:09:55,734 --> 01:09:57,692 We were told he might not even walk again. 1700 01:09:57,736 --> 01:09:59,819 ♪ ♪ 1701 01:09:59,905 --> 01:10:03,031 - I just remember breaking down in tears 1702 01:10:03,116 --> 01:10:05,742 because, for the first time, it became real. 1703 01:10:05,827 --> 01:10:08,578 - Roddy! Roddy! Roddy! 1704 01:10:08,663 --> 01:10:10,330 - So at that point, 1705 01:10:10,415 --> 01:10:13,416 my parents stopped letting us watch altogether. 1706 01:10:13,501 --> 01:10:15,919 - When we had the inside and the outside view, 1707 01:10:16,004 --> 01:10:18,213 it was really rough. 1708 01:10:18,256 --> 01:10:20,590 - I mean, he was just in constant pain 1709 01:10:20,675 --> 01:10:23,009 and yet could work through it. 1710 01:10:23,094 --> 01:10:27,472 As he got older, he had a shoulder injury, 1711 01:10:27,557 --> 01:10:30,308 and his arm would just hang, like, a couple inches lower 1712 01:10:30,393 --> 01:10:32,227 than the other arm, and he was probably like that 1713 01:10:32,312 --> 01:10:33,353 for a year or two. 1714 01:10:33,438 --> 01:10:35,063 It turned out his, like-- 1715 01:10:35,106 --> 01:10:37,690 they pulled out something like five or six shattered bones 1716 01:10:37,776 --> 01:10:40,151 that were just, like, floating around his shoulder. 1717 01:10:40,237 --> 01:10:43,029 - It was kind of fascinating 1718 01:10:43,114 --> 01:10:45,823 for me to see him behind the scenes 1719 01:10:45,909 --> 01:10:47,742 having a hard time getting out of bed, 1720 01:10:47,827 --> 01:10:49,202 having a hard time walking, 1721 01:10:49,246 --> 01:10:51,913 and two hours later, he's in the ring 1722 01:10:51,998 --> 01:10:53,998 and you'd never know anything was wrong 1723 01:10:54,084 --> 01:10:55,291 because he loved it. 1724 01:10:55,377 --> 01:10:57,252 He loved putting on a show. 1725 01:10:57,337 --> 01:11:01,422 It really was just two completely different lives. 1726 01:11:01,466 --> 01:11:04,884 ♪ ♪ 1727 01:11:04,970 --> 01:11:08,930 - during the time of 2003 when dad talked to hbo, 1728 01:11:09,015 --> 01:11:10,723 it was a dark time for dad 1729 01:11:10,767 --> 01:11:12,600 in front of the camera and at home. 1730 01:11:12,686 --> 01:11:14,686 - Everybody's dead. 1731 01:11:14,771 --> 01:11:17,230 They're all dying early, 1732 01:11:17,315 --> 01:11:20,441 and nobody cares about it. 1733 01:11:20,485 --> 01:11:23,194 - What the hell is he doing? 1734 01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:27,156 And what the hell is he saying? It's like, really? 1735 01:11:27,242 --> 01:11:31,244 - They take them and they screw them up so much 1736 01:11:31,329 --> 01:11:35,415 and they being the rash of promoters 1737 01:11:35,500 --> 01:11:37,417 that I've gone through in the 33 years. 1738 01:11:37,502 --> 01:11:39,252 - And a lot of times you lash out, you know, 1739 01:11:39,337 --> 01:11:41,838 and that's what roddy was doing was lashing out. 1740 01:11:41,923 --> 01:11:43,464 ♪ ♪ 1741 01:11:43,550 --> 01:11:47,719 - a lot of his friends had started passing away, 1742 01:11:47,804 --> 01:11:50,972 and it makes you worry and it makes you concerned, 1743 01:11:51,016 --> 01:11:54,309 and so that's when he started being vocal about it. 1744 01:11:54,394 --> 01:11:56,352 - I know he blamed the company 1745 01:11:56,438 --> 01:11:58,604 for just about everything in the interviews, 1746 01:11:58,690 --> 01:12:01,983 but at that time, he had lost so much. 1747 01:12:02,027 --> 01:12:03,985 He wasn't wrestling. He was hurt. 1748 01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:06,612 He was just trying to stand up for his buddies. 1749 01:12:06,698 --> 01:12:09,365 But later on, towards the end, 1750 01:12:09,451 --> 01:12:11,159 dad had talked to me and, you know, he said, 1751 01:12:11,244 --> 01:12:14,162 "it's the business we get into. We know what it is, you know. 1752 01:12:14,247 --> 01:12:15,913 "we don't get in there thinking we're gonna live 1753 01:12:15,999 --> 01:12:17,665 to 70, 80 years old." 1754 01:12:17,709 --> 01:12:22,211 - what would you have me do at 49 when, 1755 01:12:22,297 --> 01:12:24,964 like, my pension plan, I can't take out until I'm 65. 1756 01:12:25,008 --> 01:12:28,509 I'm not gonna make 65. Let's just face facts, guys. 1757 01:12:28,595 --> 01:12:31,512 - When someone says really rotten thing about your company, 1758 01:12:31,598 --> 01:12:34,807 you know, you're not gonna welcome them with open arms. 1759 01:12:34,851 --> 01:12:37,977 You know, you're gonna say, "time for us to say good-bye." 1760 01:12:38,063 --> 01:12:40,188 ♪ ♪ 1761 01:12:40,231 --> 01:12:42,940 - he wasn't expecting the consequences. 1762 01:12:43,026 --> 01:12:44,484 He lost a contract. 1763 01:12:44,569 --> 01:12:45,860 It was pretty bad for our family 1764 01:12:45,945 --> 01:12:47,570 as far as, like, our well-being goes. 1765 01:12:47,655 --> 01:12:51,532 I think he felt very lost, very depressed, 1766 01:12:51,576 --> 01:12:54,160 a little bit reckless with his behavior. 1767 01:12:54,204 --> 01:12:55,244 Obviously, with the hbo interview, 1768 01:12:55,330 --> 01:12:56,996 that's a good example. 1769 01:12:57,082 --> 01:12:59,999 And, you know, I've talked about him having demons, 1770 01:13:00,085 --> 01:13:02,377 and I think that this was sort of like the height 1771 01:13:02,420 --> 01:13:04,879 of his demons coming out was this period of his life. 1772 01:13:04,923 --> 01:13:09,217 ♪ ♪ 1773 01:13:10,220 --> 01:13:11,719 - yeah, nothing's permanent in this business, 1774 01:13:11,805 --> 01:13:14,097 and as piper's been fired, 1775 01:13:14,182 --> 01:13:15,306 I've been fired a couple times. 1776 01:13:15,392 --> 01:13:16,891 You know, but things change 1777 01:13:16,976 --> 01:13:19,852 and, you know, the president or... 1778 01:13:19,938 --> 01:13:22,021 Oj or somebody will do something 1779 01:13:22,107 --> 01:13:23,898 that takes precedent over something that we did. 1780 01:13:23,942 --> 01:13:26,901 So I think vince understands that he's dealing with 1781 01:13:26,986 --> 01:13:29,695 a bunch of high, intense personalities. 1782 01:13:29,739 --> 01:13:31,864 But vince has been pretty forgiving. 1783 01:13:31,908 --> 01:13:34,367 - Whoo! Ladies and gentlemen, I give you-- 1784 01:13:34,452 --> 01:13:39,038 I give you the most gifted entertainer 1785 01:13:39,124 --> 01:13:42,959 in the history of professional wrestling: 1786 01:13:43,044 --> 01:13:46,212 My man, the hot rod. 1787 01:13:46,297 --> 01:13:49,549 [playing bagpipe music] 1788 01:13:49,634 --> 01:13:51,342 - I think it was huge for him, 1789 01:13:51,428 --> 01:13:53,094 you know, 'cause his whole life was wrestling. 1790 01:13:53,138 --> 01:13:56,222 Even though wrestling is an exhibition, 1791 01:13:56,307 --> 01:13:58,516 for us, the hall of fame is real. 1792 01:13:58,601 --> 01:14:01,227 [crowd chanting "roddy"] 1793 01:14:01,312 --> 01:14:03,604 roddy! Roddy! Roddy! Roddy! 1794 01:14:03,648 --> 01:14:04,897 ♪ ♪ 1795 01:14:04,983 --> 01:14:06,858 - I want to tell you this. 1796 01:14:08,611 --> 01:14:10,236 I love you s... 1797 01:14:10,321 --> 01:14:11,279 [chuckles] 1798 01:14:11,364 --> 01:14:12,697 [laughter] 1799 01:14:12,782 --> 01:14:15,825 I love you so much, man. 1800 01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:19,787 I love you so much, but I guarantee you this: 1801 01:14:19,873 --> 01:14:23,958 My name is rowdy roddy piper, and you ain't seen nothing yet. 1802 01:14:34,304 --> 01:14:37,305 [solemn music] 1803 01:14:37,348 --> 01:14:41,142 ♪ ♪ 1804 01:14:41,186 --> 01:14:43,352 [pen scratching] 1805 01:14:43,438 --> 01:14:44,979 - you can find sympathy in the dictionary 1806 01:14:45,064 --> 01:14:47,315 between [bleep] and suicide. 1807 01:14:47,358 --> 01:14:49,692 ♪ ♪ 1808 01:14:49,777 --> 01:14:51,319 - roddy was definitely depressed 1809 01:14:51,404 --> 01:14:55,156 off and on during his life. 1810 01:14:55,241 --> 01:14:58,451 You know, you're either up 100% 1811 01:14:58,536 --> 01:15:00,161 or you're kind of down, 1812 01:15:00,205 --> 01:15:02,830 and it was always hard for him to find the middle spot. 1813 01:15:04,417 --> 01:15:07,293 One of the demons was that time in his life 1814 01:15:07,378 --> 01:15:10,630 as a teenager when he was surviving on the street. 1815 01:15:10,715 --> 01:15:12,465 He never let that go. 1816 01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:14,008 - I was so young. 1817 01:15:14,093 --> 01:15:16,344 I had to fight for everything I had. 1818 01:15:16,387 --> 01:15:19,263 ♪ ♪ 1819 01:15:19,349 --> 01:15:20,848 oh, man. 1820 01:15:20,892 --> 01:15:23,142 ♪ ♪ 1821 01:15:23,228 --> 01:15:24,644 - he told me some stuff about his childhood 1822 01:15:24,729 --> 01:15:26,187 and living on the street. 1823 01:15:26,231 --> 01:15:29,023 He was in a bad spot and used and abused 1824 01:15:29,067 --> 01:15:32,068 and just a lot of bad stuff that I had no idea. 1825 01:15:32,153 --> 01:15:33,861 ♪ ♪ 1826 01:15:33,905 --> 01:15:37,031 - nobody--you know, nobody feel sorry for me, man. 1827 01:15:37,116 --> 01:15:38,783 - You know, he had phoned me from the road, 1828 01:15:38,868 --> 01:15:40,952 and he'd been in his hotel room for three days 1829 01:15:41,037 --> 01:15:42,787 with the lights off. 1830 01:15:42,872 --> 01:15:44,830 He was depressed. There was things on his mind 1831 01:15:44,916 --> 01:15:46,666 that went back to his childhood. 1832 01:15:46,751 --> 01:15:48,668 ♪ ♪ 1833 01:15:48,753 --> 01:15:51,712 his mind went to spots that weren't good for him. 1834 01:15:51,756 --> 01:15:53,714 ♪ ♪ 1835 01:15:53,758 --> 01:15:56,884 - he still had that crumbling part inside his soul 1836 01:15:56,970 --> 01:15:59,011 that he could never mend. 1837 01:15:59,097 --> 01:16:00,680 He was so depressed at times, 1838 01:16:00,765 --> 01:16:04,934 I'm sure that he did think of suicide. 1839 01:16:05,019 --> 01:16:06,561 He wouldn't follow through with it 1840 01:16:06,604 --> 01:16:08,187 because, as he would be the first to say, 1841 01:16:08,273 --> 01:16:10,731 he's not a coward, and that's a coward's way out. 1842 01:16:10,817 --> 01:16:16,195 But he was so sad at times inside himself 1843 01:16:16,281 --> 01:16:18,698 that I know that he did think that occasionally, 1844 01:16:18,783 --> 01:16:20,241 and that's heartbreaking. 1845 01:16:28,251 --> 01:16:29,709 - At 242 pounds, 1846 01:16:29,752 --> 01:16:33,087 the hot rod, rowdy roddy piper. 1847 01:16:33,131 --> 01:16:36,382 [playing jaunty piano music] 1848 01:16:36,467 --> 01:16:39,093 - hey, buddy! - How you doing, pal? 1849 01:16:39,137 --> 01:16:41,053 Yeah. Nice. - Good to see you! 1850 01:16:41,139 --> 01:16:42,638 - Good to see you too. Been in jail. 1851 01:16:42,724 --> 01:16:44,724 - As he started to wind down wrestling, 1852 01:16:44,809 --> 01:16:46,726 he really started to have fun 1853 01:16:46,769 --> 01:16:50,354 going into acting as well as comedy. 1854 01:16:55,987 --> 01:16:57,612 [laughter] 1855 01:16:57,655 --> 01:16:59,572 - in a weird way, I think it was a nice, 1856 01:16:59,657 --> 01:17:01,907 therapeutic thing that he realized 1857 01:17:01,993 --> 01:17:03,576 that just because he couldn't wrestle anymore 1858 01:17:03,661 --> 01:17:05,036 didn't mean that he couldn't perform. 1859 01:17:10,668 --> 01:17:11,626 [laughter] 1860 01:17:15,506 --> 01:17:16,922 - he enjoyed telling these stories, 1861 01:17:17,008 --> 01:17:18,716 he enjoyed connecting with his fans, 1862 01:17:18,801 --> 01:17:21,135 and that was something that he was very passionate about. 1863 01:17:21,179 --> 01:17:24,722 - May all your dreams come true. God bless you. 1864 01:17:24,807 --> 01:17:26,307 [applause] - how cool is that? 1865 01:17:26,392 --> 01:17:28,934 Rowdy roddy piper! 1866 01:17:29,020 --> 01:17:31,771 January of 2009, 1867 01:17:31,856 --> 01:17:34,148 his manager reached out and said, 1868 01:17:34,192 --> 01:17:36,067 "would you have any interest 1869 01:17:36,152 --> 01:17:40,071 in helping roddy cultivate a stand-up comedy act?" 1870 01:17:40,156 --> 01:17:42,948 and I was like, "absolutely." 1871 01:17:43,034 --> 01:17:44,492 because here's the thing: 1872 01:17:44,577 --> 01:17:46,494 When you watch pro wrestling with brothers, 1873 01:17:46,579 --> 01:17:48,287 that wasn't even a tv show. 1874 01:17:48,373 --> 01:17:50,831 That was an instruction guide on how to hurt each other. 1875 01:17:50,875 --> 01:17:52,833 That's all it was. 1876 01:17:52,877 --> 01:17:57,421 I grew up the middle of three boys in suburban philadelphia 1877 01:17:57,507 --> 01:18:01,550 in really the golden age of modern professional wrestling. 1878 01:18:01,636 --> 01:18:03,219 ♪ ♪ 1879 01:18:03,304 --> 01:18:06,806 I remember being a kid when he showed up. 1880 01:18:06,891 --> 01:18:08,557 He was the worst. 1881 01:18:08,643 --> 01:18:10,101 [laughs] like, I remember being 1882 01:18:10,186 --> 01:18:12,561 a chubby 11-year-old kid buying a t-shirt that said, 1883 01:18:12,647 --> 01:18:14,522 "I hate rowdy roddy piper." 1884 01:18:14,565 --> 01:18:19,151 like, he could get you to yell at a television set. 1885 01:18:19,237 --> 01:18:21,362 ♪ ♪ 1886 01:18:21,406 --> 01:18:24,407 and meeting roddy was like meeting somebody 1887 01:18:24,492 --> 01:18:26,033 out of a comic book. 1888 01:18:26,119 --> 01:18:28,703 That began a really cool relationship 1889 01:18:28,746 --> 01:18:30,538 where I would just listen to stories 1890 01:18:30,623 --> 01:18:35,376 and try to help him craft that into some sort of cohesive act. 1891 01:18:42,051 --> 01:18:47,054 - As a comedian, I have a unbelievable amount of respect 1892 01:18:47,098 --> 01:18:50,266 for somebody that can connect with audiences 1893 01:18:50,351 --> 01:18:51,434 on such a deep level. 1894 01:18:51,519 --> 01:18:54,228 That was his mutant ability. 1895 01:18:54,272 --> 01:18:56,188 - Like that power walking... 1896 01:18:56,274 --> 01:18:58,441 [laughter] 1897 01:18:58,526 --> 01:19:00,484 - I got to go through roddy's life with him 1898 01:19:00,570 --> 01:19:02,111 on a comedic journey, 1899 01:19:02,196 --> 01:19:06,490 but hearing his life experience was just so amazing. 1900 01:19:11,664 --> 01:19:13,414 - Roddy's darkness is one of the things 1901 01:19:13,499 --> 01:19:15,082 that drew him to stand-up comedy. 1902 01:19:15,168 --> 01:19:18,169 [playing harmonica] 1903 01:19:19,046 --> 01:19:21,714 you can turn pain into joy, 1904 01:19:21,799 --> 01:19:26,093 and making people laugh meant a lot to him. 1905 01:19:26,137 --> 01:19:31,557 ♪ ♪ 1906 01:19:31,642 --> 01:19:33,559 - he is the wwe hall of famer 1907 01:19:33,603 --> 01:19:37,396 and one of the all-time greats, rowdy roddy piper. 1908 01:19:37,482 --> 01:19:39,231 - When he would get off the road, 1909 01:19:39,317 --> 01:19:41,650 he would be tired or hurt, and he'd recover. 1910 01:19:41,736 --> 01:19:44,987 But there was never a time that he did an interview 1911 01:19:45,072 --> 01:19:47,490 or he got on camera and he couldn't turn it on. 1912 01:19:47,575 --> 01:19:49,450 - What was the question? [laughs] 1913 01:19:49,494 --> 01:19:51,410 - this time was different. 1914 01:19:51,496 --> 01:19:53,078 He had this interview. 1915 01:19:53,164 --> 01:19:54,914 And he gets on and he's, like, 1916 01:19:54,999 --> 01:19:56,832 can't put his thoughts together. 1917 01:19:56,918 --> 01:19:59,293 - Nah, but--but what I don't think is an honor... 1918 01:20:01,130 --> 01:20:03,547 Uh... Let me--let me try to do this. 1919 01:20:03,633 --> 01:20:05,758 - It's one of those things that, as a family member, 1920 01:20:05,802 --> 01:20:07,468 when you know someone close and you're like, 1921 01:20:07,553 --> 01:20:08,844 "they're being odd." 1922 01:20:08,930 --> 01:20:10,763 - I went into a-- excuse me. 1923 01:20:10,807 --> 01:20:14,433 I went into a mexican... Uh, restaurant 1924 01:20:14,477 --> 01:20:17,186 with my youngest daughter, who's, uh... 1925 01:20:17,271 --> 01:20:20,105 - It was heartbreaking 1926 01:20:20,191 --> 01:20:22,483 because that was not the man I knew. 1927 01:20:22,527 --> 01:20:24,735 There was obvious problem he was having. 1928 01:20:24,821 --> 01:20:26,904 - I just think that... 1929 01:20:26,989 --> 01:20:30,783 - It was like the moment the world knew something was wrong. 1930 01:20:30,868 --> 01:20:33,160 ♪ ♪ 1931 01:20:33,204 --> 01:20:36,956 and a few days later, roddy was home. 1932 01:20:37,041 --> 01:20:38,833 He was very tired that night. 1933 01:20:38,918 --> 01:20:40,751 We were gonna go see his doctor the next day. 1934 01:20:40,837 --> 01:20:42,837 We decided to do that. 1935 01:20:42,922 --> 01:20:44,797 And we went to bed 1936 01:20:44,882 --> 01:20:47,007 and he passed away in his sleep. 1937 01:20:47,051 --> 01:20:48,425 ♪ ♪ 1938 01:20:48,511 --> 01:20:50,302 - his heart failed. 1939 01:20:50,388 --> 01:20:53,180 As far as the specifics as to what was causing it, 1940 01:20:53,266 --> 01:20:56,684 it probably was a combination of his entire life. 1941 01:20:56,727 --> 01:20:58,519 ♪ ♪ 1942 01:20:58,563 --> 01:21:02,523 - I am so grateful that he was home because, 1943 01:21:02,608 --> 01:21:04,859 even at that age, 1944 01:21:04,902 --> 01:21:08,946 so many days of the year, he was gone away from home, 1945 01:21:09,031 --> 01:21:10,698 and he could have been alone. 1946 01:21:10,783 --> 01:21:12,867 Sorry. [clears throat] 1947 01:21:12,910 --> 01:21:16,161 and I'm just very grateful that he was home with me 1948 01:21:16,247 --> 01:21:17,580 when he passed. 1949 01:21:17,665 --> 01:21:22,167 ♪ ♪ 1950 01:21:22,253 --> 01:21:25,713 - you know, the news came that he passed away, you know. 1951 01:21:25,756 --> 01:21:28,674 I felt like I got shot in the chest with a cannon, you know. 1952 01:21:28,759 --> 01:21:32,845 And it kind of like knocked me off track for a couple days, 1953 01:21:32,930 --> 01:21:35,848 and now all of a sudden, I get this voice message. 1954 01:21:35,892 --> 01:21:37,182 It was really weird because either 1955 01:21:37,268 --> 01:21:38,851 my phone was messed up, 1956 01:21:38,936 --> 01:21:41,520 sometimes you'll get a text message at that night 1957 01:21:41,606 --> 01:21:42,897 when it was sent to you in the morning. 1958 01:21:52,825 --> 01:21:54,617 - That really spooked me out. 1959 01:21:54,702 --> 01:21:57,369 Like, hmm, alien thing, you know, like "close encounters." 1960 01:21:57,455 --> 01:22:00,748 it was just crazy to get a voice message from somebody 1961 01:22:00,833 --> 01:22:03,250 after they passed away, and especially for him to say, 1962 01:22:03,294 --> 01:22:05,377 "I'm loving you and walking with jesus, my brother. 1963 01:22:05,463 --> 01:22:07,087 Just loving you and walking with jesus." 1964 01:22:07,173 --> 01:22:09,340 I was like, "wow." 1965 01:22:09,425 --> 01:22:11,258 totally screwed me up. 1966 01:22:13,846 --> 01:22:16,931 [wistful music] 1967 01:22:16,974 --> 01:22:23,270 ♪ ♪ 1968 01:22:23,314 --> 01:22:24,688 - all right, guys. 1969 01:22:27,485 --> 01:22:30,444 [overlapping chatter] 1970 01:22:32,031 --> 01:22:33,030 - it is. 1971 01:22:43,167 --> 01:22:45,000 - Hey, nice to see you again. How are you? 1972 01:22:45,086 --> 01:22:46,919 - So good to see you. Oh, my god. 1973 01:22:47,004 --> 01:22:48,504 When I first started doing mma, 1974 01:22:48,589 --> 01:22:50,297 I was trying to think of a fight name, 1975 01:22:50,383 --> 01:22:52,299 and, of course, the first thing that everybody thought of 1976 01:22:52,343 --> 01:22:53,926 was like, "what do you think as a fight name?" 1977 01:22:53,970 --> 01:22:55,469 "well, rowdy. Rowdy ronda rousey." 1978 01:22:55,554 --> 01:22:56,762 like, I know, but it's like rowdy roddy piper. 1979 01:22:56,847 --> 01:22:58,597 And he has that. I don't want to steal it 1980 01:22:58,683 --> 01:23:03,227 until I happened to see the original rowdy one 1981 01:23:03,312 --> 01:23:05,771 and got his blessing 1982 01:23:05,856 --> 01:23:07,314 and, yeah, he was very sweet about it. 1983 01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,566 He was like, "yeah, sure, kid. No problem. 1984 01:23:09,652 --> 01:23:11,276 Better do the name proud." or something like that. 1985 01:23:11,362 --> 01:23:12,945 I don't know. [laughs] 1986 01:23:13,030 --> 01:23:14,655 - and then kitty, my mom. - Hi. 1987 01:23:14,699 --> 01:23:21,495 ♪ ♪ 1988 01:23:35,219 --> 01:23:36,510 no one can do it better. 1989 01:23:36,554 --> 01:23:37,803 - [laughs] thank you so much. 1990 01:23:37,888 --> 01:23:39,054 Thank you so, so much. 1991 01:23:39,140 --> 01:23:42,474 - He was a loner and a wolf, 1992 01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,520 and he was often misunderstood. 1993 01:23:47,982 --> 01:23:50,607 - I was so wild, 1994 01:23:50,693 --> 01:23:53,027 scary wild. 1995 01:23:53,070 --> 01:23:56,905 - But he was always 100% in your face. 1996 01:23:56,991 --> 01:24:01,035 - You do not throw rocks at a man who's got a machine gun! 1997 01:24:01,078 --> 01:24:04,038 - This is what you get. I am who I am. 1998 01:24:04,081 --> 01:24:06,832 - What you got here is all man. 1999 01:24:06,876 --> 01:24:09,168 - He didn't change for anybody. 2000 01:24:09,253 --> 01:24:12,004 - We are the most popular wrestlers in the entire world. 2001 01:24:12,089 --> 01:24:14,882 - I haven't found anyone that has what roddy had. 2002 01:24:16,260 --> 01:24:17,801 Loved life. 2003 01:24:17,887 --> 01:24:19,094 Lived it to its max. 2004 01:24:19,180 --> 01:24:20,679 - Ya-ha! 2005 01:24:20,765 --> 01:24:23,557 - He came in spitting fire and crapping thunder. 2006 01:24:24,602 --> 01:24:26,685 - I'm not afraid of nobody-- 2007 01:24:26,771 --> 01:24:28,854 ♪ ♪ 2008 01:24:28,939 --> 01:24:30,731 - I am the legend killer. 2009 01:24:30,775 --> 01:24:33,233 - He started with so little and ended with so much 2010 01:24:33,277 --> 01:24:36,195 and had every hardship thrown at him along the way. 2011 01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:37,946 That's my dad's legacy. 2012 01:24:38,032 --> 01:24:39,948 I hope it is one that gives people strength. 2013 01:24:40,034 --> 01:24:43,744 - I still hear new stories about him all the time, 2014 01:24:43,829 --> 01:24:46,955 and I realize how lucky I am to have a father 2015 01:24:47,041 --> 01:24:50,084 that has impacted so many people in the world. 2016 01:24:50,127 --> 01:24:53,045 ♪ ♪ 2017 01:24:53,130 --> 01:24:55,631 - best part of my job: 2018 01:24:55,716 --> 01:24:59,551 When you come with your daddy and your mommy, 2019 01:24:59,637 --> 01:25:00,761 and you're all excited and... 2020 01:25:03,891 --> 01:25:07,601 We can put a smile on a little boy's face. 2021 01:25:09,647 --> 01:25:11,063 That's the greatest reward 2022 01:25:11,148 --> 01:25:12,898 a guy can ever have in his life. 2023 01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:16,110 Thank you. 2024 01:25:16,153 --> 01:25:17,569 I love you too. 2025 01:25:17,655 --> 01:25:22,116 ♪ ♪ 2026 01:25:22,201 --> 01:25:24,284 - I have come here 2027 01:25:24,370 --> 01:25:25,953 to chew bubble gum. 2028 01:25:26,038 --> 01:25:29,957 - I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick butt. 2029 01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,417 - And I'm all out of bubble gum. 2030 01:25:32,503 --> 01:25:34,253 - And I'm all out of bubble gum. 2031 01:25:34,338 --> 01:25:36,797 - Just when they think they have the answers... 2032 01:25:36,841 --> 01:25:39,258 - Just when they think they have the answers... 2033 01:25:39,343 --> 01:25:41,135 - I change the questions. 2034 01:25:41,178 --> 01:25:42,970 - I change the questions. 2035 01:25:43,055 --> 01:25:45,347 - You do not throw rocks... 2036 01:25:45,432 --> 01:25:47,641 - You do not throw rocks 2037 01:25:47,726 --> 01:25:50,811 at a man with a machine gun, brother. 175352

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