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- Take my phone?
- Sure.
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- Roddy.
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Yeah, I'm doing great.
How are you?
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We're just getting ready
to do an interview about you.
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A little warm down there, huh?
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You what?
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Yeah, not anytime soon,
though.
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You're holding a place for me.
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Right next to you
at the table, huh?
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Great.
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No, I...No, I'm just gonna
talk about you,
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all good things,
not to worry about it.
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Great.
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Thanks, roddy.
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Roddy's in heaven.
Roddy's not in hell.
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♪ ♪
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- we'll check you
down there, guys.
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We'll check you down there.
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♪ ♪
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- rowdy ronda rousey!
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[no audible dialogue]
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- coming to the wwe, I really wanted to make sure
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that every single time
that I walked out there,
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everyone remembered
"rowdy" roddy piper.
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Rowdy is the only name I could have taken on.
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I wanted to make sure that that next generation of kids
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knew who he was and respected his memory
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and what he's contributed to the business.
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- When I ran into piper,
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he's the one that made
everything else possible.
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He was the key, the cog in the wheel.
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Without piper, we could have never launched
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into the stratosphere.
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- It's as simple as this.
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When rp talks, brother, people listen.
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- He was the ultimate bad guy.
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- How you doing, fatso?
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- He sold it. He practiced it.
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He was good at what he did.
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♪ ♪
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- just when they think
they got the answers,
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I change the questions.
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- Even if you had never heard of roddy piper,
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you could tell
you didn't like this guy.
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- Nobody messes with piper!
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- He was riveting.
- I seen a lot of men buried...
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- A really good-hearted guy,
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a really tough
son of a bitch.
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- He was not like any other wrestler.
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He was in his own world,
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real strong family man.
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- He kept his family
completely out of the business,
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and I think he took too much of it on himself.
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- Yeah!
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- Everything he did from the moment
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he walked out in the ring rubbed people wrong.
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- You're gonna see something
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you never seen
in your life before.
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- Whatever it was, he went against the grain,
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and he just lived
in that glory.
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♪ ♪
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[droning bagpipe music]
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♪ ♪
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- you know, god takes care of fools and babies.
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♪ ♪
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before I was a pro wrestler, I got hit by a pickup truck.
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I was lived in an indian reservation.
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I had tonsillitis, so they took out my appendix.
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I moved a lot.
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I got hurt a lot as a little kid.
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♪ ♪
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- my dad, roddy piper, he was born in canada
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in a place called saskatoon, saskatchewan,
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which is one of the coldest places in the world.
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He used to tell me, you know,
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the story of running uphill
both ways to school,
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right, in the snow?
He actually did that.
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♪ ♪
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his dad was a police officer that worked for the railroad,
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and this meant that they traveled 24/7.
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They would spend a week in one town, a week in the next.
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I think he was about 10 years old.
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He was on a indian reservation for about six months,
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and he's the only white kid on it.
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Everybody else is indian,
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and they don't like
white people at the time,
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so he had to learn how
to fight his way through
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and get their respect.
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So every few months, no matter where he was going,
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he would have to start over,
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build his reputation, and be the tough guy
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so he wouldn't get hurt.
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He would go out and get in trouble and come home
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and face all kinds of physical punishment.
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[somber music]
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- it was a hard victorian upbringing,
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very strict.
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Being the youngest,
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he always kind of felt like
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he was an afterthought
in his family
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is what he would tell me.
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Like, he wasn't expected.
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Not a lot of hugs.
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Not a lot of verbal "I love yous."
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- my grandpa did beat my dad.
I don't know how often,
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but he was physical enough
with him
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that it was a dark place
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that my dad never really wanted
to talk about with us.
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- You're 12, 11, 10 years old. You move 10 times.
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All of a sudden, you get into a fight,
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and you come back home and you get into a fight
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because you got into a fight.
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You know, it's...
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♪ ♪
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I don't think that punishment,
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physical punishment,
is a way to raise a kid.
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None of it goes on
in my house ever.
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- There was a lot of trauma in his childhood,
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and it followed him.
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He seemed like the kind of person
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that always had a demon or something on his shoulder
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and that he was fighting with
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and I think that that started
at a very, very young age
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long before wrestling.
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[bagpipe music]
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- I got into my bagpipes a lot,
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and it kind of pulled me away from everybody.
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I don't know how,
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but that's where I started, when I was six years old
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playing the bagpipes.
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It was a place for me to go. It was loud.
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People knew, don't interrupt.
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It actually became a hideaway for me.
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♪ ♪
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- one day I was in my house,
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and there was a knock at my back door.
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And there was two friends
of mine with this new guy, rod.
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And so they said to me,
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"cam, you're a pretty tough guy,
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"and this new guy, rod,
he's a pretty tough guy.
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Why don't you have a fight?"
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I said, "sure."
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and we went at it.
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Like in the movies, he drilled me a good one
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and I flew overtop of my motorcycle.
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And he won the fight.
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As I found out later, rod told me he was
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the light heavyweight boxing champ of toronto.
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And from that point on, we became best friends.
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He was a high school wrestler,
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and he was number two in the city.
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That was his goal was to be a wrestler.
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- And the day he did graduate school,
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he finally did leave home.
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He would have liked a better relationship with his father.
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You know, that was eating him up.
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As rod became a young adult,
it just became too much
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'cause rod wanted
to get rough back,
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but the only other choice would
be to have an all-out brawl
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with your father.
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♪ ♪
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he left home and was out on his own.
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- It was just time to go,
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so I took my bagpipes and I just never went back.
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- He was really a nomad.
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He went to youth hostels, ymcas, anywhere.
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Usually back then,
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five bucks for the night
and you could do it.
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Or you'd get there
and it'd be full,
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so you would be
on the street that night.
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- I had to make money,
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and so played my bagpipes and I'd get quarters
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or whatever they give me.
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You sleep during the day.
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It's too dangerous to sleep at nighttime.
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At nighttime, you get cold, you get hungry,
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and so you start to try to feed
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some of these necessities.
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I started stealing what I needed
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and then got with a group of bad guys.
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And all of a sudden, you're carrying a switchblade,
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and--you know, and then the fights.
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Now I was getting off on this bully type of thing,
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which I hated.
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- He was beaten up. He was made fun of.
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Half of those beatings were because
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somebody was trying to sexually abuse him,
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and you fight back.
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- You know, I think he did a
little robbery here and there,
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and he was terribly
ashamed of it.
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It was a brief part
of his life.
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He also would fight.
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People would pay to see him fight on the street.
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Doing whatever it takes
to survive.
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- I was living in a youth hostel.
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Father o'malley, you know, he says,
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"you know, roderick,
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have you ever seen professional wrestling?"
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I said, "no, sir."
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he says, "I can get you $25."
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whew! You know, that was, like, three months' rent.
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- He was 15 years old
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when he had his first professional fight
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against larry "the axe" hennig.
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- Larry hennig
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coming into the ring at this time...
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- You know, rod, he knew that he needed an angle.
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I don't believe at that time
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he'd come up with
rowdy roddy piper.
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His name was rod toombs,
so he went by that name.
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[playing bagpipe music]
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I don't know how many wrestlers
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can play the bagpipes and has kilt.
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And so that's what he did
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to distinguish himself
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based on the talent that he actually had.
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- The announcer, he just knew my name was roddy.
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He had to announce something, and he says,
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"ladies and gentlemen here comes...
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♪ ♪
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roddy the piper."
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- he was just naturally good at it,
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and then that evolved
into his wrestling career,
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since it was a special skill
that he could use as a gimmick.
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People would stand up and say...
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You know, and yell at him.
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That was his goal
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was to get people pissed off at him,
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so they're going to look in the program:
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"who is this guy?"
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- my nose was broke, you know?
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And larry only hit me twice, but he did a good job.
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My eye was drooping, and he says,
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"kid, how'd you like to go to kansas city?"
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and that's how I got into pro wrestling,
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and I never stopped.
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- He knew that there was going
to be many days
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that he didn't know where
the next paycheck was coming,
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and so he just threw himself at it.
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That took him all across canada
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and then into the states,
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just wherever he could get a job.
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- When wrestling came along,
that's why I just boom!
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Because it had all the elements without the police.
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- There were more than two dozen
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wrestling territories in north america,
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so that meant that guys
could make a living uprooting,
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going from territory
to territory.
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- I'm so fortunate to have wrestling
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and the way it evolved.
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If it hadn't, I would've been dead.
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There's no doubt about it.
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I've got a baby face that looks 12,
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in a dress, playing bagpipes,
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and they just beat me up.
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- So when you're just getting in,
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you're breaking into pro wrestling,
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what do you do?
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They beat you up,
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and you have to continuously
get up and keep coming back.
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- I got my first break in los angeles,
262
00:10:40,515 --> 00:10:42,599
and holy cow.
263
00:10:42,684 --> 00:10:45,977
Really, really brutal, brutal days.
264
00:10:50,025 --> 00:10:52,108
- Roddy came into the gym.
265
00:10:52,194 --> 00:10:54,736
I says, "what are you doing?"
266
00:10:54,821 --> 00:10:57,447
"you gonna sweep up
the place,
267
00:10:57,532 --> 00:11:00,367
or sell hot doggies,
chicken on a bun?"
268
00:11:00,452 --> 00:11:03,495
he says, "no, I'm a wrestler."
269
00:11:03,580 --> 00:11:06,623
and I says, "you look like
you got polio in your stomach,
270
00:11:06,708 --> 00:11:08,333
"you're so small.
271
00:11:08,377 --> 00:11:11,127
"you'll never make it.
You got to learn how to wrestle
272
00:11:11,171 --> 00:11:14,506
so you can be
a sadistic bastard."
273
00:11:14,591 --> 00:11:16,508
- we're gonna see things
that are different,
274
00:11:16,551 --> 00:11:19,678
that's never been seen before,
ever, ever on any film.
275
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♪ ♪
276
00:11:21,890 --> 00:11:25,266
don't practice this without a qualified instructor
277
00:11:25,352 --> 00:11:26,685
right there with you.
278
00:11:28,063 --> 00:11:31,523
- Judo gene--if you don't know, look him up--
279
00:11:31,608 --> 00:11:33,900
was the toughest man in the world,
280
00:11:33,985 --> 00:11:37,278
trained bruce lee, chuck norris,
281
00:11:37,364 --> 00:11:39,864
rowdy ronda rousey.
282
00:11:39,908 --> 00:11:42,367
- Gene lebell
I would consider
283
00:11:42,452 --> 00:11:45,662
the most decorated stuntman
of all time.
284
00:11:45,747 --> 00:11:51,167
He was in the first-ever televised mma event.
285
00:11:51,253 --> 00:11:53,336
When I was doing judo, he would help me a lot.
286
00:11:53,422 --> 00:11:55,213
And then when I got in to mma,
287
00:11:55,257 --> 00:11:58,591
he was in my corner for, like, every single match.
288
00:11:58,677 --> 00:12:01,845
- Judo gene saw that these guys were bullying me,
289
00:12:01,930 --> 00:12:04,556
and gene would tell me what to do on the fly.
290
00:12:04,641 --> 00:12:07,559
- You got to beat them
with the dark side of the moon.
291
00:12:07,644 --> 00:12:10,687
Roddy said, "what's the dark
side of the moon?"
292
00:12:10,772 --> 00:12:14,691
"well, what the referee
doesn't see, didn't happen."
293
00:12:14,735 --> 00:12:16,067
watch you don't
take the eyes out.
294
00:12:16,153 --> 00:12:18,862
This is the throat.
Throat's a great handle.
295
00:12:18,947 --> 00:12:20,113
- [yells]
296
00:12:20,198 --> 00:12:22,115
- he'd call me late at night.
297
00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,367
And my wife said,
298
00:12:24,453 --> 00:12:27,537
"hey, it must be roddy
calling again."
299
00:12:27,622 --> 00:12:30,999
so he says, "hey, let's go
and roll for a couple hours."
300
00:12:31,084 --> 00:12:35,545
we worked out hard, no playing games.
301
00:12:35,630 --> 00:12:37,547
He wanted to know how to wrestle.
302
00:12:38,633 --> 00:12:40,049
- The lebell family is...
303
00:12:40,135 --> 00:12:41,468
They're legendary.
304
00:12:41,553 --> 00:12:43,303
They ran the olympic auditorium,
305
00:12:43,388 --> 00:12:45,430
and because dad had earned their respect,
306
00:12:45,474 --> 00:12:48,057
he was able then to wrestle there in la
307
00:12:48,143 --> 00:12:49,934
for the lebell family,
308
00:12:49,978 --> 00:12:51,311
and that is really where dad
309
00:12:51,396 --> 00:12:53,271
got the chance
to spread his wings
310
00:12:53,356 --> 00:12:56,065
and really become
not just another fighter
311
00:12:56,151 --> 00:12:58,610
but the one they came to see.
312
00:12:58,653 --> 00:13:05,742
♪ ♪
313
00:13:05,827 --> 00:13:07,577
- one of my favorite memories with him
314
00:13:07,662 --> 00:13:10,413
is when I was, like, 15.
315
00:13:10,499 --> 00:13:12,916
He brought me to la
to see hollywood,
316
00:13:13,001 --> 00:13:16,044
and I wanted to be an actress
and a singer.
317
00:13:16,129 --> 00:13:18,254
And so, to me,
hollywood was like, "whoo!"
318
00:13:18,340 --> 00:13:21,007
marilyn monroe handprints,
and the glamour and all of that.
319
00:13:21,092 --> 00:13:23,802
And we get here
and he rents a car,
320
00:13:23,845 --> 00:13:25,136
he's like, "all right, kid,
321
00:13:25,180 --> 00:13:26,805
I'm gonna take you
around town."
322
00:13:28,308 --> 00:13:30,475
first thing he does is, he goes somewhere
323
00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:32,602
into, like, the compton, maybe, area.
324
00:13:32,687 --> 00:13:34,145
I was a little young to understand
325
00:13:34,189 --> 00:13:35,146
what I was looking at.
326
00:13:35,190 --> 00:13:36,606
And he was like,
327
00:13:36,691 --> 00:13:38,691
"that's where your father
slept on the streets.
328
00:13:38,777 --> 00:13:42,779
"a woman got murdered right outside my window,
329
00:13:42,823 --> 00:13:44,989
but I didn't say anything,
'cause I'm not a snitch."
330
00:13:45,033 --> 00:13:48,576
he's just telling me
these horrific stories.
331
00:13:50,330 --> 00:13:53,456
So then I come home from that vacation.
332
00:13:53,542 --> 00:13:54,958
My friends asked me, they're like,
333
00:13:55,043 --> 00:13:56,334
"how's hollywood?"
and they were like,
334
00:13:56,419 --> 00:13:58,002
"did you see this and that?"
335
00:13:58,046 --> 00:14:00,588
I was like, "I think I got
the wrestlers' tour."
336
00:14:00,674 --> 00:14:01,923
[laughs]
337
00:14:03,301 --> 00:14:06,261
[upbeat spanish guitar music]
338
00:14:06,346 --> 00:14:11,474
♪ ♪
339
00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:14,227
- I was born and grew up in los angeles,
340
00:14:14,312 --> 00:14:15,937
and some of my earliest memories
that I have
341
00:14:16,022 --> 00:14:17,397
are actually about
professional wrestling,
342
00:14:17,482 --> 00:14:19,482
being a professional
wrestling fan.
343
00:14:19,568 --> 00:14:21,359
I remember going down on the bus,
344
00:14:21,403 --> 00:14:23,570
running with my stepfather, trying to catch a bus
345
00:14:23,655 --> 00:14:25,321
to go down to the olympic auditorium.
346
00:14:25,407 --> 00:14:28,700
In 1976, one of the new faces in the territory
347
00:14:28,785 --> 00:14:30,910
was a young lad by the name of roddy piper.
348
00:14:30,996 --> 00:14:33,997
He was 21 years old.
349
00:14:34,082 --> 00:14:35,915
He was a young, fresh-faced kid.
350
00:14:36,001 --> 00:14:38,710
Fans gave him polite applause.
351
00:14:40,881 --> 00:14:43,548
They start wrestling, and it starts out as a clean match.
352
00:14:43,633 --> 00:14:46,801
But little by little, subtly,
353
00:14:46,887 --> 00:14:49,721
he starts doing these things
that only a villain would do.
354
00:14:51,391 --> 00:14:52,932
He was fighting,
355
00:14:53,018 --> 00:14:54,267
and he was giving people kicks to the groin
356
00:14:54,352 --> 00:14:55,727
during his wrestling matches.
357
00:14:55,770 --> 00:14:58,354
♪ ♪
358
00:14:58,398 --> 00:15:01,232
it was like watching
a caterpillar
359
00:15:01,276 --> 00:15:03,026
transform into a butterfly,
360
00:15:03,111 --> 00:15:07,196
and you just saw this magic
happening before your eyes.
361
00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,073
People were booing roddy piper.
362
00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:11,784
They absolutely hated who he was.
363
00:15:11,870 --> 00:15:13,244
- I am the intelligence.
364
00:15:13,330 --> 00:15:15,330
I think the most controversial
thing I did
365
00:15:15,415 --> 00:15:16,873
was stir up controversy
366
00:15:16,958 --> 00:15:18,708
because it draws money.
367
00:15:18,793 --> 00:15:21,210
Conflict draws money.
368
00:15:21,296 --> 00:15:23,546
- The wheels were always turning
for him as to what can I say,
369
00:15:23,632 --> 00:15:25,089
what can I do next?
370
00:15:25,133 --> 00:15:26,883
'cause you had to keep them interested.
371
00:15:26,968 --> 00:15:28,760
You had to keep them coming back.
372
00:15:28,803 --> 00:15:30,887
- There's no way, piper!
- Hey!
373
00:15:30,972 --> 00:15:32,305
- Oh!
- Hey! Piper!
374
00:15:32,390 --> 00:15:34,182
- Get up, you think
you're so tough!
375
00:15:34,267 --> 00:15:36,392
- Anything he did, he wanted to be good at it.
376
00:15:36,478 --> 00:15:38,686
- I don't plan to go in there
and make it easy.
377
00:15:38,772 --> 00:15:40,605
I don't plan to go in there
and not have some knocks
378
00:15:40,649 --> 00:15:42,440
on my own noggin, brother.
379
00:15:42,484 --> 00:15:44,901
- And they used him to do the interviews
380
00:15:44,986 --> 00:15:51,032
because he would showboat
and help sell boletos, tickets.
381
00:15:51,117 --> 00:15:52,659
- You're a pig,
guerrero!
382
00:15:52,744 --> 00:15:55,036
Your father was a pig,
383
00:15:55,121 --> 00:15:56,788
your brother was a pig,
384
00:15:56,873 --> 00:15:58,623
and you're a pig, guerrero!
385
00:15:58,708 --> 00:16:01,793
- The guerrero family was one of the first families
386
00:16:01,836 --> 00:16:03,795
in professional wrestling.
387
00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,421
If you're of latino descent,
388
00:16:05,465 --> 00:16:08,508
you didn't really see
a lot of faces on television
389
00:16:08,593 --> 00:16:10,259
that were like yours.
390
00:16:10,345 --> 00:16:12,512
And usually if you did, they
played the roles of a gardener,
391
00:16:12,597 --> 00:16:14,472
or they played the role
of a maid.
392
00:16:14,516 --> 00:16:20,395
So for us to see the guerrero family in hero roles
393
00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,480
was very important.
394
00:16:22,524 --> 00:16:24,440
We worshiped them.
395
00:16:24,526 --> 00:16:25,984
- You get in that ring,
chavo guerrero,
396
00:16:26,069 --> 00:16:27,735
and it's going to be
all over for you, brother,
397
00:16:27,821 --> 00:16:29,570
because I don't give a damn
about nothing no more.
398
00:16:29,656 --> 00:16:31,656
- When roddy piper would insult the guerreros,
399
00:16:31,741 --> 00:16:33,866
we took it very personally.
400
00:16:33,952 --> 00:16:36,828
- You sitting at home with your fat bellies
401
00:16:36,871 --> 00:16:39,163
and your construction boots
drinking your beer,
402
00:16:39,207 --> 00:16:40,790
you know who I am.
403
00:16:40,875 --> 00:16:43,501
- Roddy really had the whole package.
404
00:16:43,586 --> 00:16:45,378
In the ring, he was a dirty wrestler,
405
00:16:45,463 --> 00:16:47,964
but he had all this tremendous frenetic energy.
406
00:16:48,049 --> 00:16:51,175
But also, he knew how to get
a reaction out of the fans,
407
00:16:51,261 --> 00:16:52,885
and one of the ways
he would do that
408
00:16:52,971 --> 00:16:54,721
was to bring his bagpipes out to the ring.
409
00:16:54,806 --> 00:16:55,930
[playing off-key]
410
00:16:56,016 --> 00:16:57,890
- one time, he told everybody
411
00:16:57,976 --> 00:17:00,977
and silenced
the entire stadium,
412
00:17:01,062 --> 00:17:03,354
he'd play the mexican
national anthem
413
00:17:03,398 --> 00:17:06,607
to apologize for attacking
the guerreros.
414
00:17:06,693 --> 00:17:10,028
- I said, "you know, I love you people.
415
00:17:10,113 --> 00:17:13,364
I'd like to do something special."
416
00:17:13,450 --> 00:17:15,033
[crowd booing]
417
00:17:15,076 --> 00:17:18,494
and all the wonderful hispanic people came in.
418
00:17:18,580 --> 00:17:20,538
I'm in the ring.
419
00:17:20,623 --> 00:17:27,128
And, "please stand for the mexican national anthem."
420
00:17:29,424 --> 00:17:33,342
[whispering] just like this I said to myself,
421
00:17:33,428 --> 00:17:35,762
"I'm gonna die."
422
00:17:35,847 --> 00:17:38,347
I put those bagpipes up, man.
423
00:17:38,433 --> 00:17:40,349
It's too late, right?
424
00:17:40,435 --> 00:17:42,185
- And roddy starts
playing his notes,
425
00:17:42,270 --> 00:17:44,395
and it's not the mexican
national anthem.
426
00:17:44,481 --> 00:17:46,689
But he starts playing
"la cucaracha."
427
00:17:46,775 --> 00:17:48,524
he starts playing a song
about a cockroach.
428
00:17:48,610 --> 00:17:51,444
[playing "la cucaracha" on bagpipes]
429
00:17:51,529 --> 00:17:53,905
♪ ♪
430
00:17:53,948 --> 00:17:56,616
♪ la cucaracha, la cucaracha ♪
431
00:17:56,701 --> 00:17:58,409
[hums]
432
00:17:58,495 --> 00:18:02,080
holy cow, chairs that were bolted down in the cement,
433
00:18:02,123 --> 00:18:04,707
here they come.
434
00:18:04,793 --> 00:18:05,917
- And the fans...
435
00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,503
♪ ♪
436
00:18:08,588 --> 00:18:09,879
they're just shocked.
437
00:18:09,964 --> 00:18:12,381
- Chairs come up.
Things are being thrown.
438
00:18:12,467 --> 00:18:14,217
Stage is being overcome.
439
00:18:14,302 --> 00:18:17,053
- It was like watching...
Watching a car wreck, you know?
440
00:18:17,138 --> 00:18:18,888
It's a horrible thing to see,
but at the same time,
441
00:18:18,973 --> 00:18:20,223
you can't take your eyes
away from it.
442
00:18:20,308 --> 00:18:22,850
- I was there that night,
443
00:18:22,936 --> 00:18:25,144
and I was going to...
444
00:18:25,230 --> 00:18:26,979
Whiz in my pants.
445
00:18:27,065 --> 00:18:29,065
- You can't write
that kind of stuff.
446
00:18:29,150 --> 00:18:31,567
- I says,
"this guy is a natural."
447
00:18:31,653 --> 00:18:35,696
♪ ♪
448
00:18:43,206 --> 00:18:47,291
- you had to move around, especially as a bad guy.
449
00:18:47,335 --> 00:18:49,335
You would run your course,
450
00:18:49,420 --> 00:18:53,840
and then you needed to go on
and find another place to go
451
00:18:53,925 --> 00:18:55,883
and stake your claim
for a while
452
00:18:55,969 --> 00:18:58,052
and then you would move on
somewhere else.
453
00:18:58,138 --> 00:19:00,805
- I am extremely pleased
454
00:19:00,849 --> 00:19:04,767
to take my wonderful trophy.
455
00:19:04,853 --> 00:19:07,311
- Once I left los angeles, when I went to portland,
456
00:19:07,355 --> 00:19:08,813
nobody knew who I was,
457
00:19:08,857 --> 00:19:10,648
so you had to start all over again.
458
00:19:10,692 --> 00:19:13,693
[hopeful music]
459
00:19:13,778 --> 00:19:18,906
♪ ♪
460
00:19:25,874 --> 00:19:27,707
did you find the choke?
- Yeah.
461
00:19:27,792 --> 00:19:31,043
- Okay, kick the engine over,
leaving the throttle closed.
462
00:19:32,463 --> 00:19:35,673
It's probably just new.
It needs--takes a lot of kicks.
463
00:19:35,717 --> 00:19:36,966
- Yeah.
464
00:19:37,051 --> 00:19:39,552
- I met roddy in 1979.
465
00:19:39,637 --> 00:19:43,222
I was working graveyard shift as a waitress
466
00:19:43,308 --> 00:19:45,266
just southwest side of portland.
467
00:19:45,351 --> 00:19:47,268
- Get you something out there.
468
00:19:47,353 --> 00:19:49,979
- Roderick, you're lucky
I had it high enough
469
00:19:50,064 --> 00:19:53,024
that that didn't show.
- [laughs]
470
00:19:53,067 --> 00:19:56,194
- he was the funniest human being on the planet.
471
00:19:56,279 --> 00:19:58,613
[snickers]
- is that it?
472
00:19:58,698 --> 00:20:00,323
- Oh, the guy...
473
00:20:00,408 --> 00:20:04,327
All the wrinkles on my face
are from him making me laugh.
474
00:20:04,412 --> 00:20:06,704
I was young, I was 19 years old,
475
00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:09,165
and so all the other waitresses would say,
476
00:20:09,250 --> 00:20:11,209
"you go wait on those wrestlers."
477
00:20:11,294 --> 00:20:13,044
prime rib was always
what he got.
478
00:20:13,129 --> 00:20:16,672
He ordered two prime ribs and
always two pieces of lemon pie.
479
00:20:16,758 --> 00:20:19,008
He started asking me,
480
00:20:19,093 --> 00:20:20,259
"hey, can I have your phone number?
481
00:20:20,345 --> 00:20:21,719
I'd like to ask you out."
482
00:20:23,598 --> 00:20:26,390
I thought he was cute as heck. Thought he cute as heck.
483
00:20:26,476 --> 00:20:29,352
But the crowd he was with
was so loud, and so I'm like,
484
00:20:29,437 --> 00:20:32,188
"nah, you know.
Hey, hi, hi."
485
00:20:32,273 --> 00:20:35,066
so we kind of flirted,
but after about a month,
486
00:20:35,151 --> 00:20:37,401
his tag-team partner, killer brooks,
487
00:20:37,445 --> 00:20:39,028
got down on his knees and he says,
488
00:20:39,113 --> 00:20:40,238
"please give him your phone number.
489
00:20:40,281 --> 00:20:41,530
"I'm his tag-team partner,
490
00:20:41,616 --> 00:20:43,699
"and I'm getting
beat to heck out there
491
00:20:43,785 --> 00:20:45,910
"because he's only
thinking about you.
492
00:20:45,995 --> 00:20:47,536
He wants to get to know you."
493
00:20:47,622 --> 00:20:49,872
so I said, "okay, I'll take
his phone number."
494
00:20:49,958 --> 00:20:52,416
and then we hit it off.
495
00:20:54,087 --> 00:20:58,089
♪ ♪
496
00:20:58,174 --> 00:20:59,674
portland wrestling
497
00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:03,094
in the late '70s, early '80s was huge.
498
00:21:03,179 --> 00:21:05,429
The buildings were always packed.
499
00:21:05,473 --> 00:21:07,556
From the moment I started dating him,
500
00:21:07,642 --> 00:21:09,934
anywhere we would go, people knew who he was.
501
00:21:10,019 --> 00:21:12,561
Everyone pretty much had the same reaction.
502
00:21:12,647 --> 00:21:13,729
They were shocked,
503
00:21:13,815 --> 00:21:15,731
but after they met him,
504
00:21:15,817 --> 00:21:20,403
they all understood that he was a genuine guy and caring.
505
00:21:20,446 --> 00:21:22,238
- You come down here
and burn your bra
506
00:21:22,323 --> 00:21:23,447
and think you're something?
507
00:21:23,491 --> 00:21:24,824
You're getting in there
with men...
508
00:21:24,909 --> 00:21:27,285
- And to have to do something
509
00:21:27,328 --> 00:21:29,453
like when he attacked a woman wrestler,
510
00:21:29,497 --> 00:21:31,580
he has to do it over the top
511
00:21:31,624 --> 00:21:34,083
because it's so hard
for him to do.
512
00:21:34,127 --> 00:21:37,253
- This is why men wrestle
and why women don't!
513
00:21:37,338 --> 00:21:39,422
This is why!
Get outta here!
514
00:21:39,507 --> 00:21:41,299
Get outta here!
That's why!
515
00:21:41,384 --> 00:21:45,511
- For roddy in real life, a woman is on a pedestal.
516
00:21:45,596 --> 00:21:46,929
♪ ♪
517
00:21:47,015 --> 00:21:48,681
he's very old-fashioned.
518
00:21:48,766 --> 00:21:50,308
He would never hit a woman.
519
00:21:50,393 --> 00:21:53,477
He would never insult a woman.
520
00:21:53,521 --> 00:21:56,147
And I decided early on,
521
00:21:56,232 --> 00:21:58,274
I was gonna love roddy no matter what.
522
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,276
I did and I do
523
00:22:00,361 --> 00:22:03,654
and wouldn't change it
for the world.
524
00:22:03,698 --> 00:22:12,788
♪ ♪
525
00:22:12,874 --> 00:22:16,375
- in portland, it was a smaller territory.
526
00:22:16,461 --> 00:22:18,794
In atlanta, the business was growing.
527
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,629
You had to move around,
528
00:22:20,715 --> 00:22:25,134
and you had to be able to go
from territory to territory.
529
00:22:25,219 --> 00:22:27,636
That's the way that the
business worked at the time.
530
00:22:27,722 --> 00:22:30,514
- They called me on the east coast.
531
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,684
I was ready at any time to get up and take a left-hand turn.
532
00:22:33,770 --> 00:22:36,020
And I drove the old yellow canary
533
00:22:36,105 --> 00:22:38,105
right across the country.
534
00:22:38,191 --> 00:22:42,068
[upbeat rock music]
535
00:22:42,153 --> 00:22:45,029
- wtbs in atlanta, georgia,
536
00:22:45,073 --> 00:22:47,490
ted turner's superstation,
537
00:22:47,575 --> 00:22:49,867
wrestling was a staple.
538
00:22:51,496 --> 00:22:53,704
Here's roddy piper.
539
00:22:53,790 --> 00:22:57,541
Very few people knew who he was on a national basis.
540
00:22:57,585 --> 00:22:59,752
He wasn't the biggest guy in the world,
541
00:22:59,837 --> 00:23:01,670
but the one thing that he did
542
00:23:01,756 --> 00:23:04,507
better than anybody else
was talk.
543
00:23:04,592 --> 00:23:06,675
- It's a pleasure for you
to have me here, I'm sure.
544
00:23:06,761 --> 00:23:09,178
You see, being the expert
that I am...
545
00:23:09,263 --> 00:23:14,183
- The promoters realized roddy knew how to tell a story,
546
00:23:14,268 --> 00:23:18,354
not just his own story,
but other people's stories.
547
00:23:18,439 --> 00:23:19,897
- People want to get
familiar with me.
548
00:23:19,941 --> 00:23:21,565
People like yourself...
549
00:23:21,609 --> 00:23:22,858
- He was brought in as rod piper,
550
00:23:22,944 --> 00:23:24,819
the color commentator:
551
00:23:24,904 --> 00:23:27,696
Sport coat, no kilt,
552
00:23:27,782 --> 00:23:33,035
and then the color commentator
began to skew his views...
553
00:23:33,121 --> 00:23:35,704
- You got a big,
big, big mouth.
554
00:23:35,790 --> 00:23:37,748
- If they let a bald-headed
geek like you in...
555
00:23:37,834 --> 00:23:40,042
- Maybe a little bit more nasty...
556
00:23:40,128 --> 00:23:42,211
- You just stay out of my way,
pig face!
557
00:23:42,296 --> 00:23:45,548
- Maybe a little bit more against the fan favorites.
558
00:23:45,633 --> 00:23:47,591
- And you won't have
to worry about nothing, man.
559
00:23:47,677 --> 00:23:49,135
- Pig face?
560
00:23:49,220 --> 00:23:53,180
- And they created another way
561
00:23:53,266 --> 00:23:55,683
to get this character over.
562
00:23:55,768 --> 00:23:57,601
- They say stick and stones
may break my bones
563
00:23:57,645 --> 00:23:59,186
but words will never hurt me.
564
00:23:59,272 --> 00:24:00,938
Well, some of the words he
says about me and my family
565
00:24:00,982 --> 00:24:02,398
have hurt me deeply.
566
00:24:02,442 --> 00:24:04,024
- Sticks and stones
may break your bones.
567
00:24:04,110 --> 00:24:05,901
You are right!
568
00:24:05,987 --> 00:24:08,946
And I'm nuts enough
to throw sticks and stones!
569
00:24:09,031 --> 00:24:11,282
- Now you've got,
570
00:24:11,325 --> 00:24:13,617
"I'm gonna kick that commentator's butt."
571
00:24:13,661 --> 00:24:15,703
- piper into the ring.
572
00:24:15,788 --> 00:24:17,746
- The commentator was
a wrestler and a tough guy.
573
00:24:17,832 --> 00:24:20,166
- As he gets through the ropes, and they go at it!
574
00:24:20,251 --> 00:24:22,126
- Now he comes out with the kilt.
575
00:24:22,211 --> 00:24:23,919
- The wild man, roddy piper.
576
00:24:24,005 --> 00:24:25,796
- Now he's roddy piper.
577
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,757
- Roddy piper, the only way that he's really been
578
00:24:28,843 --> 00:24:32,219
outstanding in this match is his bad sportsmanship.
579
00:24:32,305 --> 00:24:35,556
They're trying to literally carry piper out of the ring.
580
00:24:35,641 --> 00:24:37,641
- I told you piper pays back!
581
00:24:37,685 --> 00:24:40,936
I told you, nobody--
nobody messes with piper!
582
00:24:41,022 --> 00:24:43,272
- When he wrestles as a bad guy,
583
00:24:43,357 --> 00:24:45,441
that was the most comfortable for him.
584
00:24:45,526 --> 00:24:48,486
- Come out here right now
and fight me like a man!
585
00:24:48,571 --> 00:24:50,446
Come right now!
- If you're a bad guy,
586
00:24:50,490 --> 00:24:54,033
fans aren't gonna come up and shake your hand as much.
587
00:24:54,118 --> 00:24:57,161
He could be alone more
if he was a bad guy.
588
00:24:57,246 --> 00:25:01,540
Maybe because he was alone in life early on so often,
589
00:25:01,626 --> 00:25:03,334
that's where he was comfortable.
590
00:25:03,419 --> 00:25:05,544
- Piper has hit him with his fist.
591
00:25:05,630 --> 00:25:08,130
He hit him in the jaw with a roll of coins.
592
00:25:08,174 --> 00:25:11,717
- As a kid, he was around some of the roughest people
593
00:25:11,802 --> 00:25:13,177
you can imagine.
- It's mine!
594
00:25:13,262 --> 00:25:14,970
- And sometimes I wonder if that's part
595
00:25:15,056 --> 00:25:19,016
of what pieced together that
bad guy psychology that he had.
596
00:25:19,060 --> 00:25:21,519
- I am the legend killer.
597
00:25:22,438 --> 00:25:23,771
[pen scratching]
598
00:25:23,856 --> 00:25:25,481
- so my dad did this thing.
599
00:25:25,566 --> 00:25:27,691
There were these yellow
legal pads that he would write.
600
00:25:27,735 --> 00:25:30,027
He would write all kinds of ideas.
601
00:25:30,112 --> 00:25:32,196
- Just in case he had the opportunity
602
00:25:32,281 --> 00:25:33,656
that a mic was handed to him
603
00:25:33,741 --> 00:25:35,324
so that he had something
great to say.
604
00:25:35,409 --> 00:25:36,825
- You know, you couldn't get a date
605
00:25:36,911 --> 00:25:38,786
with a $100 bill on your forehead.
606
00:25:38,871 --> 00:25:40,704
I wouldn't fight you
607
00:25:40,748 --> 00:25:43,249
if my grandma was threatened by the huns.
608
00:25:43,334 --> 00:25:45,584
Sometimes maybe I heard it
609
00:25:45,670 --> 00:25:47,545
in the middle of a rock and roll song.
610
00:25:47,630 --> 00:25:52,007
I just had a knack for putting that kind of stuff together.
611
00:25:52,093 --> 00:25:53,509
Of course, I don't have to impress somebody.
612
00:25:53,594 --> 00:25:54,927
They got to impress me,
613
00:25:55,012 --> 00:25:56,887
because I'm roddy piper and you're not.
614
00:25:56,931 --> 00:25:58,430
- And that's why he was so quick-witted,
615
00:25:58,516 --> 00:26:00,474
because he put in work nobody else did.
616
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,936
When everybody else was partying
and drinking, which he did,
617
00:26:04,021 --> 00:26:06,438
he also was thinking and writing
these things down.
618
00:26:06,524 --> 00:26:08,315
- Like, sometimes people say to me,
619
00:26:08,401 --> 00:26:10,067
"oh, you just say what comes off the top of your head."
620
00:26:10,111 --> 00:26:11,944
oh, [bleep] horse[bleep].
621
00:26:12,029 --> 00:26:13,320
[scoffs]
622
00:26:13,406 --> 00:26:16,740
you have no idea
how much work went into it.
623
00:26:16,784 --> 00:26:20,286
I seen a lot of men buried
wearing a $50 stetson
624
00:26:20,371 --> 00:26:22,871
and carrying a five-buck gun,
you geek.
625
00:26:22,957 --> 00:26:24,373
- Whoo-whoo!
626
00:26:24,458 --> 00:26:26,250
[dramatic music]
627
00:26:26,294 --> 00:26:28,627
- there was a guy named ric flair on the east coast.
628
00:26:28,713 --> 00:26:32,214
- The greatest wrestling
in the whole entire wide world
629
00:26:32,258 --> 00:26:34,383
comes right out
of the mid-atlantic area,
630
00:26:34,468 --> 00:26:36,719
and roddy piper and I
are glad to be here, brother.
631
00:26:36,804 --> 00:26:38,429
- Ric and I were so different.
632
00:26:38,514 --> 00:26:40,264
You know, I wear a kilt. Ric doesn't.
633
00:26:40,349 --> 00:26:44,018
He's blond. I ain't. You know?
634
00:26:44,103 --> 00:26:47,271
That we got along real well outside the ring,
635
00:26:47,315 --> 00:26:50,190
and then everything started to get out of control.
636
00:26:50,276 --> 00:26:52,901
- Piper and flair have formed a pact,
637
00:26:52,987 --> 00:26:55,821
and where there's trouble,
we won't be hard to find.
638
00:26:55,906 --> 00:26:57,448
- He's got a belt.
639
00:26:57,491 --> 00:26:59,033
- Well, I knew-- yeah, I'd heard his name,
640
00:26:59,118 --> 00:27:01,035
but I didn't know anything about him.
641
00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:03,454
He came in the studio,
642
00:27:03,497 --> 00:27:04,997
and I knew right away
I was gonna like him.
643
00:27:05,082 --> 00:27:08,459
He was full of himself,
and, man, I mean, talent.
644
00:27:08,502 --> 00:27:09,960
- Ric flair, roddy piper!
645
00:27:10,046 --> 00:27:11,712
That's what it's all about!
646
00:27:11,797 --> 00:27:13,297
That's what it's all about!
647
00:27:13,382 --> 00:27:15,382
- God, he was entertaining.
648
00:27:15,468 --> 00:27:17,885
It was so good
that it made everybody mad.
649
00:27:17,970 --> 00:27:21,847
- You're gonna find it's a
whole lot easier to jump on
650
00:27:21,932 --> 00:27:23,098
than it is to jump off.
651
00:27:23,184 --> 00:27:24,475
- Whoo!
652
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,146
- I had moved over there to the east coast with roddy,
653
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:32,191
and we were expecting our first child.
654
00:27:32,276 --> 00:27:34,151
It was very rowdy times.
655
00:27:34,195 --> 00:27:37,821
Roddy and ric and the other wrestlers,
656
00:27:37,865 --> 00:27:40,449
they lived on a planet that was theirs.
657
00:27:40,534 --> 00:27:44,036
They were a wild, wild pair of men,
658
00:27:44,121 --> 00:27:47,665
lots of drinking and hotels getting damaged and such.
659
00:27:47,708 --> 00:27:49,375
- Next thing I remember,
660
00:27:49,460 --> 00:27:51,835
I'm in my bed, my clothes are on,
661
00:27:51,921 --> 00:27:53,879
the door's knocked off the hinges.
662
00:27:53,964 --> 00:27:55,464
I didn't know what happened,
663
00:27:55,549 --> 00:27:57,174
but I got the hell out of there.
664
00:27:57,218 --> 00:27:59,468
- You hear things. You know some things.
665
00:27:59,553 --> 00:28:01,804
You don't know a lot of things.
666
00:28:01,889 --> 00:28:05,557
Roddy was roddy, and that's what it was.
667
00:28:05,643 --> 00:28:09,353
- We like our kamikazes on ice
and our women on fire.
668
00:28:09,438 --> 00:28:10,979
You understand
what I'm saying?
669
00:28:11,065 --> 00:28:12,690
- A little woman?
- And everywhere we go,
670
00:28:12,775 --> 00:28:16,777
we do it better, longer,
harder than anybody else!
671
00:28:18,239 --> 00:28:20,197
We were the beatles, man.
672
00:28:20,282 --> 00:28:22,991
It was suicidal putting us together.
673
00:28:23,077 --> 00:28:26,203
Ingesting or drinking, anything,
674
00:28:26,288 --> 00:28:28,622
roddy could beat anybody to the draw.
675
00:28:29,667 --> 00:28:32,167
- It just got way out of hand.
676
00:28:32,253 --> 00:28:36,547
This is where ric flair startedthe, you know, 99 kamikazes.
677
00:28:36,590 --> 00:28:38,382
You know, here I'm, like-- whoa, you know?
678
00:28:38,426 --> 00:28:39,758
I'm pretty hard core man. Pretty hard core.
679
00:28:39,844 --> 00:28:41,510
I'm drinking mine,
680
00:28:41,595 --> 00:28:43,721
and I'd be the one always be getting in trouble.
681
00:28:43,764 --> 00:28:48,267
- It was a time to make money, but it was go, go, go, go, go.
682
00:28:48,352 --> 00:28:50,394
And you get three days off,
683
00:28:50,438 --> 00:28:52,771
and then you come back on the road for another couple weeks.
684
00:28:52,857 --> 00:28:56,024
And I remember we were driving in a snowstorm.
685
00:28:56,110 --> 00:28:57,735
You know, we had beers and everything in the car.
686
00:28:57,778 --> 00:28:59,403
So we got out,
687
00:28:59,488 --> 00:29:01,071
and we're all taking a leak on the side of the road.
688
00:29:01,157 --> 00:29:03,198
And all of a sudden,
roddy ran to the car.
689
00:29:03,284 --> 00:29:05,409
And I remember it's like
we ran after him,
690
00:29:05,453 --> 00:29:06,785
'cause we knew
that roddy was in
691
00:29:06,871 --> 00:29:08,245
one of those kind of
states of mind
692
00:29:08,289 --> 00:29:10,414
where he was gonna
take the car.
693
00:29:10,458 --> 00:29:11,874
We pretty much tackled roddy
694
00:29:11,959 --> 00:29:13,542
while he was trying to drive
off in the car.
695
00:29:13,627 --> 00:29:16,587
- He was a...
A tough guy to handle.
696
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:19,256
He was a heavy partier.
697
00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:20,883
And I would scoop him up,
698
00:29:20,968 --> 00:29:22,926
and I'd make sure he got
699
00:29:22,970 --> 00:29:24,595
to where he was
supposed to be going.
700
00:29:24,638 --> 00:29:26,972
Got him to his rooms.
Got him to the hotel.
701
00:29:27,057 --> 00:29:29,767
Got him to the airports.
702
00:29:29,810 --> 00:29:32,936
- You go out there and wrestle for 45 minutes,
703
00:29:33,022 --> 00:29:34,772
and you come back,
take a shower.
704
00:29:34,815 --> 00:29:37,107
You're wide frigging awake.
705
00:29:37,151 --> 00:29:40,068
And a lot of times, I'd look at the coke and...
706
00:29:40,154 --> 00:29:41,737
"oh, I don't want to do this."
707
00:29:41,822 --> 00:29:43,739
but you end up doing it.
708
00:29:43,824 --> 00:29:46,116
- It was, "I need this to wake up to wrestle."
709
00:29:46,202 --> 00:29:47,493
"I need this to go to bed,
710
00:29:47,578 --> 00:29:49,161
'cause I work in an hour
and this is all I have."
711
00:29:49,246 --> 00:29:52,456
- it was also about to numb the pain,
712
00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:55,000
the physical pain, the pain of being alone,
713
00:29:55,085 --> 00:29:57,795
always having
to be in transition.
714
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,881
You know, you're never sitting still.
715
00:30:00,966 --> 00:30:03,926
- It's a vicious cycle that
would just go round and round.
716
00:30:04,011 --> 00:30:06,053
It's easier to go have a drink.
717
00:30:06,138 --> 00:30:08,222
It's easier to go take a pill
or go smoke a joint.
718
00:30:08,307 --> 00:30:10,265
- Back in those days,
719
00:30:10,351 --> 00:30:13,685
like, any injury
could cost you your job.
720
00:30:13,771 --> 00:30:15,646
If you can't do it,
721
00:30:15,689 --> 00:30:18,106
they replace you a few minutes later with somebody else.
722
00:30:18,192 --> 00:30:20,275
You learn to be your own doctors.
723
00:30:20,361 --> 00:30:22,152
That's kind of the sad thing is, you're your own doctor.
724
00:30:22,238 --> 00:30:25,447
Roddy was pretty out of control.
725
00:30:25,533 --> 00:30:27,574
Lord knows what kind of drugs and alcohol
726
00:30:27,660 --> 00:30:33,622
were being consumed.
727
00:30:33,707 --> 00:30:34,998
[chuckles]
728
00:30:37,044 --> 00:30:38,502
- [laughter]
729
00:30:39,797 --> 00:30:41,964
- having roddy travel so often
730
00:30:42,049 --> 00:30:46,051
and be gone so much and having a growing family,
731
00:30:46,136 --> 00:30:48,804
it was very difficult.
732
00:30:48,889 --> 00:30:53,809
- When you live like we did, you know, 3,000 miles a week,
733
00:30:53,853 --> 00:30:56,895
you become desensitized.
734
00:30:56,981 --> 00:30:58,564
- Say merry christmas.
735
00:30:58,649 --> 00:31:01,024
All: Merry christmas.
736
00:31:01,110 --> 00:31:03,026
- One thing that roddy did,
737
00:31:03,070 --> 00:31:07,656
he kept his family completely out of the business
738
00:31:07,741 --> 00:31:11,577
'cause he didn't want them to see what he went through.
739
00:31:11,662 --> 00:31:13,161
He wanted them to grow up
740
00:31:13,247 --> 00:31:15,289
and be beautiful and healthy and happy,
741
00:31:15,374 --> 00:31:18,750
and I think he took too much of it on himself.
742
00:31:18,836 --> 00:31:20,794
♪ ♪
743
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,255
- sometimes when rod
would come home from the road,
744
00:31:23,340 --> 00:31:24,923
he wouldn't come
straight home.
745
00:31:25,009 --> 00:31:28,927
He would check into a
hotel room and just get rested
746
00:31:29,013 --> 00:31:31,179
because when he got home, he couldn't rest.
747
00:31:31,265 --> 00:31:33,473
I'd like to know
where mine is.
748
00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:35,183
- [laughs]
to barnacle bill.
749
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:36,894
♪ ♪
750
00:31:36,937 --> 00:31:38,687
- he almost had to do a transition mentally
751
00:31:38,772 --> 00:31:40,522
when he came from
the road to home,
752
00:31:40,608 --> 00:31:42,691
because he didn't want
to bring that character home.
753
00:31:42,735 --> 00:31:44,818
He had such a hot temper
as hot rod.
754
00:31:44,904 --> 00:31:46,528
And he had to,
755
00:31:46,614 --> 00:31:47,905
because he had to be
on guard a lot.
756
00:31:49,074 --> 00:31:51,074
It was very separate.
757
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,203
He didn't like to take us to a lot of events.
758
00:31:55,289 --> 00:31:58,290
We were very concerned about safety
759
00:31:58,375 --> 00:32:02,669
because of how much aggression
was being put towards rod.
760
00:32:02,755 --> 00:32:05,756
[crowd cheering]
761
00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:07,633
- he had been a villain in the deep south
762
00:32:07,718 --> 00:32:10,052
and fighting fans and, you know,
763
00:32:10,137 --> 00:32:11,720
getting assault charges.
764
00:32:11,805 --> 00:32:13,347
I mean, I can think
of a few situations
765
00:32:13,432 --> 00:32:15,807
with roddy with fans
trying to run us off the road
766
00:32:15,893 --> 00:32:18,727
and chasing us in cities
like detroit.
767
00:32:18,812 --> 00:32:21,271
- People would throw thumbtacks in the ring,
768
00:32:21,315 --> 00:32:22,898
hit with beer bottles.
769
00:32:22,983 --> 00:32:24,316
In asheville, north carolina,
770
00:32:24,401 --> 00:32:26,735
they threw a rattlesnake
in the ring one night.
771
00:32:26,820 --> 00:32:28,570
Guy ran down to the ringside with a gunnysack
772
00:32:28,656 --> 00:32:29,863
and threw a rattlesnake.
773
00:32:29,949 --> 00:32:31,782
[bell dings]
[crowd booing]
774
00:32:31,825 --> 00:32:34,576
- there was a lot of crazy fans back then,
775
00:32:34,620 --> 00:32:37,746
and being a bad guy could be
a very dangerous living.
776
00:32:37,831 --> 00:32:39,831
- 'cause I'm going to shove it
down your throat!
777
00:32:39,917 --> 00:32:41,792
- There's certainly times when I'd seen him
778
00:32:41,835 --> 00:32:43,085
say or do something on tv where I'm like,
779
00:32:43,128 --> 00:32:45,337
"oh, my gosh,
we're in for it now.
780
00:32:45,422 --> 00:32:47,923
This is gonna get worse
before it gets better."
781
00:32:48,008 --> 00:32:53,011
but I never asked him to curtail or tone it down
782
00:32:53,097 --> 00:32:56,306
because that would hinder his creativity.
783
00:32:56,392 --> 00:33:00,477
- People wanted to kill me.
784
00:33:00,562 --> 00:33:02,521
- I remember there was a gentleman.
785
00:33:02,606 --> 00:33:04,356
I wasn't really paying much attention,
786
00:33:04,441 --> 00:33:08,443
but roddy went taking off down this hallway.
787
00:33:08,529 --> 00:33:12,781
And the next thing, I see them having some words
788
00:33:12,866 --> 00:33:16,159
and the police got involved in it.
789
00:33:16,203 --> 00:33:20,497
He did have a big knife,
you know, like a bowie knife.
790
00:33:20,582 --> 00:33:23,667
So finally the officer said,
"mr. Piper, we've got him.
791
00:33:23,752 --> 00:33:25,293
He's going to jail."
792
00:33:25,379 --> 00:33:28,714
he said, "well, I just wanted to
have a couple seconds with him."
793
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:30,215
the officer said, "why?"
794
00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:32,843
and he said,
"because he stabbed me."
795
00:33:32,886 --> 00:33:35,679
and roddy took his thumb
off of his chest,
796
00:33:35,764 --> 00:33:39,683
and the blood started squirting
in the officer's face
797
00:33:39,768 --> 00:33:41,309
at every heartbeat.
798
00:33:41,353 --> 00:33:44,229
- It was going tsst-tsst,
tsst-tsst.
799
00:33:44,314 --> 00:33:45,856
- And I went, "oh!"
800
00:33:45,899 --> 00:33:47,315
- sergeant slaughter
took me to the hospital
801
00:33:47,401 --> 00:33:49,818
and held the...
Held the wound.
802
00:33:49,903 --> 00:33:51,278
- Doctor said,
"if that would've went
803
00:33:51,363 --> 00:33:56,283
one more 1/2 inch or less,
you'd be dead."
804
00:33:56,368 --> 00:33:57,784
- so what was it like?
805
00:33:57,870 --> 00:33:59,828
It was a living hell.
806
00:33:59,913 --> 00:34:03,206
- It wasn't just, "you're a bad guy on tv," and that's it.
807
00:34:03,292 --> 00:34:04,708
It followed you everywhere.
808
00:34:04,793 --> 00:34:06,668
Dad was stabbed three times
in his life.
809
00:34:06,754 --> 00:34:08,587
Three times they actually
stabbed him,
810
00:34:08,672 --> 00:34:10,422
to the point where
he had a leather jacket
811
00:34:10,507 --> 00:34:13,341
that was kevlar-lined and it was stab-proof
812
00:34:13,427 --> 00:34:15,343
because he had been stabbed so many times.
813
00:34:15,429 --> 00:34:21,349
- He was the next generation to take it to the next level.
814
00:34:22,895 --> 00:34:25,812
- What a tremendous match to have live.
815
00:34:25,898 --> 00:34:27,856
Millions of fans everywhere
816
00:34:27,941 --> 00:34:30,567
can see greg valentine and roddy piper go at each other.
817
00:34:30,652 --> 00:34:36,198
- Me and piper started out
a long, long, long journey.
818
00:34:36,283 --> 00:34:39,326
We'd probably wrestled
each other for a year.
819
00:34:39,411 --> 00:34:41,328
[crowd cheering]
820
00:34:41,413 --> 00:34:42,913
we just walloped each other.
821
00:34:42,956 --> 00:34:46,583
♪ ♪
822
00:34:46,668 --> 00:34:51,630
I took piper's head and rammed
it into the turnbuckle.
823
00:34:51,715 --> 00:34:53,465
♪ ♪
824
00:34:53,550 --> 00:34:55,592
every time I'd go out there,
825
00:34:55,677 --> 00:34:57,260
I'd beat on his ear.
826
00:34:57,304 --> 00:34:58,678
♪ ♪
827
00:34:58,764 --> 00:34:59,763
blam!
828
00:34:59,807 --> 00:35:01,556
♪ ♪
829
00:35:01,642 --> 00:35:05,185
so I end up naming it the year of the ear.
830
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:07,145
- Watch him go to that ear.
831
00:35:07,231 --> 00:35:10,398
- And I'd laugh, "ha, ha, ha,
the year of the ear."
832
00:35:10,484 --> 00:35:12,776
♪ ♪
833
00:35:12,861 --> 00:35:17,072
and then finally they want
to blow it off, end it.
834
00:35:17,157 --> 00:35:18,156
♪ ♪
835
00:35:18,242 --> 00:35:19,741
- what happened was
836
00:35:19,827 --> 00:35:21,993
bruno sammartino and larry zbyszko
837
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:24,788
did $500,000 in shea stadium,
838
00:35:24,832 --> 00:35:28,750
so it became a war of the north against the south,
839
00:35:28,836 --> 00:35:30,335
so the south said,
"all right,
840
00:35:30,420 --> 00:35:32,420
we're gonna put on
the first pay-per-view ever."
841
00:35:32,506 --> 00:35:34,131
so they come to me and they said,
842
00:35:34,216 --> 00:35:37,425
"I want you to make up the meanest,
843
00:35:37,511 --> 00:35:42,055
nastiest, most brutal match you can possibly think of."
844
00:35:42,141 --> 00:35:45,225
- and piper came up
with this dog collar.
845
00:35:45,310 --> 00:35:48,270
- 40 pounds of chain.
I want you to check it out.
846
00:35:48,355 --> 00:35:49,688
You're gonna see something
847
00:35:49,773 --> 00:35:51,857
you never seen
in your life before.
848
00:35:51,942 --> 00:35:54,276
- Well, it was a great idea.
It was my birthday.
849
00:35:54,361 --> 00:35:56,736
Oh, what is this?
This is beautiful.
850
00:35:56,822 --> 00:35:58,196
They presented me with this big cake.
851
00:35:58,282 --> 00:36:00,657
I love cake.
Wait a minute, what is this?
852
00:36:00,742 --> 00:36:04,494
I look at it and I see some steel in there,
853
00:36:04,580 --> 00:36:07,956
and I reached down
and pulled out a dog collar.
854
00:36:08,041 --> 00:36:10,167
What? What are you doing?
855
00:36:10,252 --> 00:36:12,002
What are you trying
to do to me?
856
00:36:12,045 --> 00:36:15,463
He wants to have a dog collar match.
857
00:36:15,549 --> 00:36:19,009
Piper was the best,
the best performer.
858
00:36:19,094 --> 00:36:22,470
Good at the mic.
Probably number one at the mic.
859
00:36:22,514 --> 00:36:25,015
Some people said he sounded
like daffy duck.
860
00:36:25,100 --> 00:36:27,559
I love daffy duck.
[laughs]
861
00:36:27,644 --> 00:36:29,561
- you're talking about
the biggest thing
862
00:36:29,646 --> 00:36:32,147
that's ever gonna happen
in the history of wrestling.
863
00:36:32,232 --> 00:36:33,648
[bell dings]
- ladies and gentlemen,
864
00:36:33,734 --> 00:36:36,985
our next event of the evening
is a very special match.
865
00:36:37,070 --> 00:36:39,696
This is a collar match.
866
00:36:39,781 --> 00:36:41,615
- It was the very first pay-per-view
867
00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:43,575
ever for wrestling.
868
00:36:43,660 --> 00:36:45,410
[bell dings]
869
00:36:45,495 --> 00:36:48,496
- two men linked together like this in mortal combat.
870
00:36:48,582 --> 00:36:50,332
- This is a strategy.
871
00:36:50,417 --> 00:36:52,459
This is what piper
talked to me about.
872
00:36:52,544 --> 00:36:55,170
And then, see, I'm the first one to get nailed.
873
00:36:55,255 --> 00:36:57,672
- Used exactly as a whip as we had talked about.
874
00:36:57,758 --> 00:37:00,675
- You could use it
to batter the guy.
875
00:37:00,761 --> 00:37:04,054
Now he's gonna get me in the teeth right there.
876
00:37:04,097 --> 00:37:06,056
I had to go to the dentist the next day.
877
00:37:06,099 --> 00:37:07,557
- You can see the concern
878
00:37:07,643 --> 00:37:09,226
of the people watching this match.
879
00:37:09,269 --> 00:37:10,977
They really don't know what to expect
880
00:37:11,063 --> 00:37:12,771
when two men are going at it like this.
881
00:37:12,856 --> 00:37:14,606
- Now I'm going for the ear.
882
00:37:14,691 --> 00:37:16,608
- Look at valentine pounding on him now.
883
00:37:16,693 --> 00:37:18,735
♪ ♪
884
00:37:18,779 --> 00:37:20,946
- it was a ridiculously hard match.
885
00:37:21,031 --> 00:37:23,406
It was the toughest match, probably, I've ever been in,
886
00:37:23,450 --> 00:37:25,033
especially with valentine.
887
00:37:25,118 --> 00:37:26,201
- Used as a whip.
888
00:37:26,286 --> 00:37:28,036
Valentine on his knees.
889
00:37:28,121 --> 00:37:29,788
Hard blow to the top of the head.
890
00:37:29,873 --> 00:37:33,375
- No, I'm not just selling; I'm hurt.
891
00:37:33,460 --> 00:37:35,669
But it's all
for you wrestling fans.
892
00:37:35,754 --> 00:37:39,005
Giving you our love in a strange way.
893
00:37:39,091 --> 00:37:41,258
[laughs]
894
00:37:41,301 --> 00:37:42,926
♪ ♪
895
00:37:43,011 --> 00:37:44,386
this is the end of it, right there.
896
00:37:44,471 --> 00:37:46,054
He hog-tied me.
897
00:37:46,098 --> 00:37:47,973
- He got the count.
898
00:37:48,058 --> 00:37:50,558
- I think he was the greatest of all time...
899
00:37:50,644 --> 00:37:52,102
♪ ♪
900
00:37:52,145 --> 00:37:55,063
a really good-hearted guy
901
00:37:55,148 --> 00:37:57,399
but a really tough son of a bitch.
902
00:37:58,944 --> 00:38:00,402
- Valentine, you say--
903
00:38:00,487 --> 00:38:03,655
you say your strategy
was to take away all my hearing.
904
00:38:03,740 --> 00:38:06,574
You see, what you forgot is,
you got one more ear to go.
905
00:38:06,660 --> 00:38:10,120
♪ ♪
906
00:38:10,205 --> 00:38:13,665
- when you look for, you know, attributes of a bad guy,
907
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:16,751
you have to be fearless;
908
00:38:16,837 --> 00:38:18,795
you have to have the gift of gab;
909
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,007
you can say anything that you want,
910
00:38:22,092 --> 00:38:23,967
even though you know
it's gonna be controversial;
911
00:38:24,052 --> 00:38:26,094
you have to be able to communicate with the audience;
912
00:38:26,179 --> 00:38:30,098
and you have to a certain
attitude about you.
913
00:38:30,142 --> 00:38:33,268
And roddy had all those
attributes and more.
914
00:38:33,353 --> 00:38:35,228
♪ ♪
915
00:38:35,314 --> 00:38:39,691
- vince mcmahon has these plans of expanding nationally.
916
00:38:39,776 --> 00:38:42,861
What's the best way to expand all over north america?
917
00:38:42,946 --> 00:38:46,781
You get the best wrestlers
from the individual territories
918
00:38:46,867 --> 00:38:50,785
and you bring them all to wwe.
919
00:38:50,871 --> 00:38:52,787
And vince mcmahon wants it all.
920
00:38:52,873 --> 00:38:57,125
- I got a call from roddy. He says, "mr. Mcmahon called."
921
00:38:57,169 --> 00:38:59,127
I said,
"yeah, are you coming up?"
922
00:38:59,212 --> 00:39:00,253
he goes, "yeah, he wants me
to come up."
923
00:39:00,339 --> 00:39:01,963
I said, "come on up."
924
00:39:02,049 --> 00:39:08,303
roddy was coming to new york city.
925
00:39:08,388 --> 00:39:11,097
- Let me tell you how to be roddy piper.
926
00:39:11,183 --> 00:39:13,224
[laughs]
have a nice [bleep] day.
927
00:39:13,310 --> 00:39:14,642
Go [bleep] yourself.
928
00:39:14,686 --> 00:39:16,394
Gimme the microphone
and get out of the way.
929
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,689
Bowlegged, big, fat,
ugly penguin.
930
00:39:19,775 --> 00:39:21,983
You know what?
You both stink!
931
00:39:22,027 --> 00:39:23,443
It's as simple as this:
932
00:39:23,528 --> 00:39:26,279
When rp talks, brother,
people listen.
933
00:39:26,948 --> 00:39:30,033
- And new york,
934
00:39:30,077 --> 00:39:32,869
new york is big guys,
935
00:39:32,913 --> 00:39:36,206
at least 250-pounders,
6-foot whatever.
936
00:39:36,249 --> 00:39:37,707
That's what I was.
937
00:39:37,793 --> 00:39:39,250
You know, piper, later on,
938
00:39:39,336 --> 00:39:41,002
I guess he gained weight.
939
00:39:41,088 --> 00:39:43,505
But when he first came in, he was smaller.
940
00:39:43,548 --> 00:39:45,548
- So if roddy's not
the greatest physical specimen
941
00:39:45,634 --> 00:39:47,175
in the world,
then don't let him do that.
942
00:39:47,219 --> 00:39:51,554
Do what roddy does best.
Let him be a talk show host.
943
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,264
In a moment,
ladies and gentlemen,
944
00:39:53,350 --> 00:39:55,016
we're going to take you
to "piper's pit,"
945
00:39:55,102 --> 00:39:56,726
involving, of course,
the rather controversial
946
00:39:56,770 --> 00:39:59,896
and certainly opinionated
roddy piper.
947
00:39:59,981 --> 00:40:02,232
- They put up a backdrop,
948
00:40:02,317 --> 00:40:04,526
and it was basically
a wrestling talk show
949
00:40:04,569 --> 00:40:05,944
to stir the pot.
950
00:40:06,029 --> 00:40:08,154
- You're a lousy wrestler.
It's a simple as that.
951
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:10,240
- I might be a lousy wrestler,
but I'm still in there,
952
00:40:10,325 --> 00:40:12,075
and I'm not afraid
of nobody--
953
00:40:13,620 --> 00:40:15,745
- it was "the tonight show"
954
00:40:15,831 --> 00:40:19,040
where the host could end up beating up the guest.
955
00:40:19,084 --> 00:40:22,585
It was just the most
off-the-walls, unpredictable,
956
00:40:22,671 --> 00:40:25,755
amazing idea that ever happened
in television,
957
00:40:25,799 --> 00:40:27,549
in my opinion.
I'm biased, but whatever.
958
00:40:27,592 --> 00:40:28,758
[laughs]
959
00:40:28,844 --> 00:40:30,969
- is he supposed
to scare me?
960
00:40:31,054 --> 00:40:32,887
- You had to be ready.
961
00:40:32,931 --> 00:40:34,389
He was witty, smart.
962
00:40:34,474 --> 00:40:35,473
He was like the fastest gun
in the west.
963
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:36,975
- Hello, peasants.
964
00:40:37,060 --> 00:40:38,643
- Don't call my father stupid.
965
00:40:38,728 --> 00:40:39,686
- Wait, wait, wait...
966
00:40:39,771 --> 00:40:41,438
How you doing, fatso?
967
00:40:41,523 --> 00:40:43,773
- He could take some guys and make them look
968
00:40:43,859 --> 00:40:45,275
like heroes and superstars,
969
00:40:45,318 --> 00:40:47,735
or he could kind of like,
if he wanted to,
970
00:40:47,821 --> 00:40:50,196
he could chop you down to size
pretty quick.
971
00:40:50,282 --> 00:40:52,490
- I could slam you myself!
I don't care.
972
00:40:52,576 --> 00:40:54,868
You're saying john studd
did at 520...
973
00:40:56,037 --> 00:40:59,789
[crowd cheering]
974
00:40:59,875 --> 00:41:01,124
- the most famous one,
of course,
975
00:41:01,209 --> 00:41:02,459
is the interview
with jimmy snuka.
976
00:41:02,502 --> 00:41:04,210
- There you go.
977
00:41:04,296 --> 00:41:06,588
- There were a couple of coconuts,
978
00:41:06,673 --> 00:41:09,841
and one of them, you know, had
been what we call "gimmicked,"
979
00:41:09,926 --> 00:41:12,343
but that's not the one
roddy chose.
980
00:41:12,429 --> 00:41:13,470
- Am I making fun of you?
981
00:41:13,513 --> 00:41:14,804
No, sir, no, sir.
982
00:41:20,854 --> 00:41:22,645
[indistinct shouting]
983
00:41:23,940 --> 00:41:25,690
- nothing was scripted on "piper's pit."
984
00:41:25,775 --> 00:41:27,192
- there, you sucker!
985
00:41:27,277 --> 00:41:29,277
- It was all off of the top
of dad's head
986
00:41:29,321 --> 00:41:31,321
or something that he'd maybe
written down in a note before.
987
00:41:31,364 --> 00:41:33,114
And that's where the magic happens.
988
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,950
- Just when they think
they got the answers,
989
00:41:36,036 --> 00:41:37,994
I change the questions.
990
00:41:38,038 --> 00:41:40,705
- He wasn't famous for his technique
991
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:42,790
or his type of wrestling
or how big his arms were
992
00:41:42,834 --> 00:41:44,334
or anything like that.
993
00:41:44,419 --> 00:41:45,668
He was just
an incredible talker
994
00:41:45,712 --> 00:41:47,337
and a guy that was taking
wrestling
995
00:41:47,380 --> 00:41:49,088
and telling a different story.
996
00:41:49,174 --> 00:41:52,759
- You do not throw rocks at
a man who's got a machine gun!
997
00:41:55,055 --> 00:41:56,971
[cyndi lauper's "girls just want to have fun"]
998
00:41:57,057 --> 00:41:58,348
- ladies and gentlemen,
999
00:41:58,433 --> 00:42:00,266
I want to introduce to you
1000
00:42:00,352 --> 00:42:02,352
the female entertainer of the year,
1001
00:42:02,437 --> 00:42:03,561
miss cyndi lauper!
1002
00:42:03,647 --> 00:42:06,314
[crowd cheers]
[laughs]
1003
00:42:06,399 --> 00:42:08,525
- wrestling began to work with mtv,
1004
00:42:08,610 --> 00:42:11,361
which was absolutely red-hot.
1005
00:42:11,446 --> 00:42:13,363
- You look wonderful, cyndi.
1006
00:42:13,448 --> 00:42:17,242
- Captain lou albano and cyndi lauper were friends,
1007
00:42:17,327 --> 00:42:20,286
and cyndi lauper
had put lou albano
1008
00:42:20,372 --> 00:42:23,039
in her "girls want to have fun"
video.
1009
00:42:23,083 --> 00:42:25,291
- I said, "vince, I got this guy named dave wolff
1010
00:42:25,377 --> 00:42:27,085
"that manages cyndi lauper,
1011
00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:29,087
"and they just did a video with albano
1012
00:42:29,172 --> 00:42:30,964
but now they wanna get involved
in the wrestling business."
1013
00:42:31,049 --> 00:42:32,840
and vince was like, "hmm, hmm."
1014
00:42:32,884 --> 00:42:35,426
- dave thought it was going
to be good for cyndi's career.
1015
00:42:35,512 --> 00:42:37,095
You know, here she's doing
this crossover
1016
00:42:37,180 --> 00:42:39,722
in this very unusual world.
1017
00:42:39,766 --> 00:42:42,183
It's like,
"what the hell is this?"
1018
00:42:42,269 --> 00:42:45,770
- would you please welcome
cyndi lauper!
1019
00:42:45,855 --> 00:42:48,064
[crowd cheering]
1020
00:42:48,149 --> 00:42:54,028
- so now there's all this attention, suddenly, to wwe.
1021
00:42:54,072 --> 00:42:55,863
People who were fashionable,
1022
00:42:55,949 --> 00:42:59,158
people who were in the rock and roll world,
1023
00:42:59,244 --> 00:43:02,412
they're gonna start watching wwe.
1024
00:43:02,455 --> 00:43:05,456
So they had this ceremony in madison square garden.
1025
00:43:05,542 --> 00:43:10,587
Lou albano was one of the primary forces
1026
00:43:10,672 --> 00:43:13,673
responsible for the rock 'n' wrestling connection,
1027
00:43:13,758 --> 00:43:16,634
and what better way to honor a man
1028
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:18,845
but to give him a gold record?
1029
00:43:18,930 --> 00:43:21,723
- I'm so grateful
to receive this award.
1030
00:43:21,808 --> 00:43:24,058
- Now that's going
to provoke some jealousy,
1031
00:43:24,144 --> 00:43:27,270
and who is the most jealous
performer of all?
1032
00:43:27,314 --> 00:43:28,771
- There is roddy piper.
1033
00:43:28,857 --> 00:43:30,773
- This is beautiful, cyndi.
1034
00:43:30,859 --> 00:43:33,109
- Maybe they have some kind of presentation to make.
1035
00:43:33,194 --> 00:43:34,861
- I want to present you
with this.
1036
00:43:36,448 --> 00:43:37,780
- Oh! Look out!
1037
00:43:39,618 --> 00:43:42,076
Captain lou albano clobbered!
1038
00:43:42,162 --> 00:43:48,291
- Roddy piper shockingly kicks
the biggest pop star in america,
1039
00:43:48,376 --> 00:43:51,628
a female pop star,
in the head.
1040
00:43:51,713 --> 00:43:53,838
- David wolff trying to come to the rescue,
1041
00:43:53,923 --> 00:43:56,132
but he's no match!
1042
00:43:56,217 --> 00:43:59,052
Oh, he pile-drived him right down into the canvas.
1043
00:43:59,137 --> 00:44:02,764
- 20 minutes before
the match, I was asked,
1044
00:44:02,807 --> 00:44:05,350
"do you think you can kick
cyndi lauper and not hurt her?"
1045
00:44:05,435 --> 00:44:07,268
by her manager.
1046
00:44:07,354 --> 00:44:10,104
I'm thinking,
"I hope you never manage me."
1047
00:44:10,190 --> 00:44:11,272
you know?
1048
00:44:11,358 --> 00:44:14,692
But when they saw that,
1049
00:44:14,778 --> 00:44:18,488
uh, saddam hussein
got nothing on me.
1050
00:44:18,573 --> 00:44:20,031
- Look out!
1051
00:44:20,116 --> 00:44:22,659
The hulkster's hitting the ring!
1052
00:44:22,744 --> 00:44:24,577
- Cyndi wasn't a wrestler,
1053
00:44:24,663 --> 00:44:26,704
so she had to have somebody defend her honor.
1054
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:29,207
- He knew what he was doing. He was stirring up the crowd
1055
00:44:29,292 --> 00:44:30,583
and he knew it and he loved it.
1056
00:44:30,669 --> 00:44:32,085
All heels do.
1057
00:44:32,170 --> 00:44:34,629
- What a disgraceful display.
1058
00:44:34,673 --> 00:44:37,048
Cyndi, look at her.
1059
00:44:37,133 --> 00:44:39,008
Tears running down her face.
1060
00:44:39,052 --> 00:44:41,344
Hulkster's hot. Everybody's hot.
1061
00:44:41,388 --> 00:44:45,098
Boy, he wishes he could have got his hands on roddy piper.
1062
00:44:45,183 --> 00:44:47,016
- Every dog has its day,
1063
00:44:47,060 --> 00:44:48,267
you know what I'm talking
about?
1064
00:44:48,353 --> 00:44:50,269
And that one's
gonna get his.
1065
00:44:50,355 --> 00:44:53,022
- She expects me to sit there
and do nothing about her,
1066
00:44:53,108 --> 00:44:54,732
so I kick her
12 yards across the field.
1067
00:44:54,818 --> 00:44:56,067
- But she's a woman.
She's a woman.
1068
00:44:56,152 --> 00:44:57,318
- Just imagine it.
1069
00:44:57,404 --> 00:44:59,529
In about a four-month period,
1070
00:44:59,614 --> 00:45:02,657
I had the kicked cyndi lauper in the head.
1071
00:45:02,742 --> 00:45:05,535
I don't know how many guys on piper's pit I had,
1072
00:45:05,578 --> 00:45:08,287
whatever I had done, all in this very short time.
1073
00:45:08,373 --> 00:45:11,708
It was getting really heated up.
1074
00:45:11,793 --> 00:45:13,876
I couldn't go anyplace. I was fighting.
1075
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,503
I had a family.
1076
00:45:15,588 --> 00:45:17,380
I was fighting in and out of denny's.
1077
00:45:17,424 --> 00:45:19,549
It was crazy.
1078
00:45:19,592 --> 00:45:23,386
- Roddy understood that bringing in the musicians
1079
00:45:23,471 --> 00:45:24,762
brings it to a whole nother level,
1080
00:45:24,848 --> 00:45:26,347
so he was onboard for that.
1081
00:45:26,433 --> 00:45:29,183
- All right, let me just
step out this way a tad.
1082
00:45:29,269 --> 00:45:32,395
- But he found it very hard being the old-school person,
1083
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,232
and he tried best he could
to cooperate.
1084
00:45:36,317 --> 00:45:37,900
It was never easy.
1085
00:45:37,986 --> 00:45:40,903
- And the last one
is, "mtv stinks"?
1086
00:45:40,947 --> 00:45:42,947
- Once we got hooked up with mtv,
1087
00:45:43,032 --> 00:45:44,782
it took us to mainstream.
1088
00:45:44,868 --> 00:45:46,325
- Mtv...
1089
00:45:46,411 --> 00:45:48,244
[laughs]
1090
00:45:48,329 --> 00:45:51,622
music to vomit by.
1091
00:45:51,708 --> 00:45:53,708
- Tonight, ladies and gentlemen,
1092
00:45:53,752 --> 00:45:55,960
the war to settle the score,
1093
00:45:56,045 --> 00:45:57,628
the hottest ticket in town.
1094
00:45:57,714 --> 00:45:59,547
- The rock 'n' wrestling connection
1095
00:45:59,632 --> 00:46:03,092
helped us change the look of the business
1096
00:46:03,178 --> 00:46:06,137
to where we get families and kids at ringside.
1097
00:46:06,222 --> 00:46:08,598
- This is broadcast on mtv.
1098
00:46:08,641 --> 00:46:11,225
This is big time.
1099
00:46:11,269 --> 00:46:14,103
- Everybody wants to be a part of it.
1100
00:46:14,189 --> 00:46:15,730
Well, there's something
going on here.
1101
00:46:15,815 --> 00:46:18,441
I got to see what it is.
I got to check it out.
1102
00:46:18,526 --> 00:46:21,402
- Piper was
the ultimate villain,
1103
00:46:21,488 --> 00:46:23,321
so you want to have
the ultimate villain
1104
00:46:23,406 --> 00:46:25,573
against the ultimate hero.
1105
00:46:25,658 --> 00:46:27,200
- It was
the biggest thing ever.
1106
00:46:27,285 --> 00:46:29,744
It was hogan and piper
going at it.
1107
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:31,662
- We have got action.
1108
00:46:31,748 --> 00:46:33,790
Oh! They're at it!
[bell dings]
1109
00:46:35,126 --> 00:46:36,667
it's under way.
1110
00:46:36,753 --> 00:46:38,211
Look at this, back and forth.
1111
00:46:38,296 --> 00:46:40,129
Oh, raking the eyes of roddy piper.
1112
00:46:40,173 --> 00:46:41,631
- When I ran into piper,
1113
00:46:41,674 --> 00:46:43,800
he's the one that made
everything else possible.
1114
00:46:43,843 --> 00:46:47,094
- Oh! Dropped the big elbow on him.
1115
00:46:47,138 --> 00:46:49,138
- I had to have an opponent,
1116
00:46:49,224 --> 00:46:52,475
and nobody had the air, the arrogance, the attitude
1117
00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:54,811
to go to toe-to-toe with me
and not back down.
1118
00:46:54,896 --> 00:46:56,521
Without piper,
we could have never,
1119
00:46:56,606 --> 00:46:57,897
never launched
into the stratosphere.
1120
00:46:57,982 --> 00:46:59,816
- Oh!
1121
00:46:59,859 --> 00:47:03,110
- Piper has two confederates:
1122
00:47:03,196 --> 00:47:06,989
Cowboy bob orton, jr., and paul "mr. Wonderful" orndorff.
1123
00:47:07,075 --> 00:47:08,658
- Orndorff going up to the top rope!
1124
00:47:08,743 --> 00:47:11,369
- Oh, please. - Look out!
1125
00:47:11,454 --> 00:47:12,995
- They interfere in the match.
1126
00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:15,331
- Cyndi lauper up on the apron.
1127
00:47:15,375 --> 00:47:18,042
Orndorff going around the side rope now at cyndi lauper.
1128
00:47:18,127 --> 00:47:19,544
- What? Wait a minute. Hold on!
1129
00:47:19,629 --> 00:47:21,337
- Mr. T over the railing!
1130
00:47:21,381 --> 00:47:22,839
- Oh, no!
1131
00:47:22,924 --> 00:47:25,508
- Here comes mr. T, ladies and gentlemen...
1132
00:47:25,593 --> 00:47:27,176
- Who was going to save the day?
1133
00:47:27,220 --> 00:47:31,931
Well, mr. T, the biggest tv star
in the united states.
1134
00:47:32,016 --> 00:47:36,060
Everybody in the country knows mr. T.
1135
00:47:36,145 --> 00:47:38,145
- They're inviting him inside the ring.
1136
00:47:38,231 --> 00:47:40,147
- And so insert mr. T.
1137
00:47:40,191 --> 00:47:43,442
It was vince's way to interject entertainment.
1138
00:47:43,528 --> 00:47:44,735
It was nothing but excitement
and electricity
1139
00:47:44,821 --> 00:47:46,237
and it sure worked.
1140
00:47:46,322 --> 00:47:47,780
- I don't know anything
1141
00:47:47,866 --> 00:47:48,948
about his background as a wrestler...
1142
00:47:49,033 --> 00:47:50,241
- I used to be a bodyguard.
1143
00:47:50,326 --> 00:47:51,534
I used to be a bouncer
at a disco
1144
00:47:51,578 --> 00:47:53,035
and all that stuff.
1145
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:55,329
You know, now, I knew
how to wrestle, you know,
1146
00:47:55,373 --> 00:47:57,540
and I wasn't no fluff.
1147
00:47:57,584 --> 00:48:00,710
So I stepped into the ring, and piper snuck up behind me.
1148
00:48:00,795 --> 00:48:02,378
- Piper nailed him from behind.
1149
00:48:02,422 --> 00:48:03,754
- I didn't think it would go down like that.
1150
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,298
If I'd knew it'd go down like that,
1151
00:48:05,383 --> 00:48:06,799
I would've have did something else.
1152
00:48:06,885 --> 00:48:08,009
So therefore I was so...
1153
00:48:08,094 --> 00:48:09,510
I guess I can say pissed.
1154
00:48:09,554 --> 00:48:11,470
- All hell has broken loose.
1155
00:48:11,556 --> 00:48:13,598
- Roddy was the ultimate bad guy.
1156
00:48:13,683 --> 00:48:16,350
He sold it. He practiced it.
He was good at what he did.
1157
00:48:16,394 --> 00:48:18,436
- We've got a madhouse here.
1158
00:48:18,521 --> 00:48:20,563
- Security holding everyone back.
1159
00:48:20,648 --> 00:48:22,899
- And it just went--it just went berserk, you know?
1160
00:48:22,942 --> 00:48:24,483
It was--
[laughs]
1161
00:48:24,569 --> 00:48:26,402
I laugh at it now
'cause it's so old,
1162
00:48:26,487 --> 00:48:27,987
I think about it,
you know.
1163
00:48:28,072 --> 00:48:30,072
It reminded me
of the keystone cops
1164
00:48:30,116 --> 00:48:31,240
'cause everybody
was fighting.
1165
00:48:31,284 --> 00:48:33,451
- What happened to our match?
1166
00:48:33,536 --> 00:48:35,244
- We don't have a match anymore.
1167
00:48:35,288 --> 00:48:36,287
It's pandemonium.
1168
00:48:36,372 --> 00:48:37,914
- Well, back then,
1169
00:48:37,957 --> 00:48:39,665
we were still really protecting the business.
1170
00:48:39,751 --> 00:48:41,584
"should we tell the cops
what we're doing or not?"
1171
00:48:41,628 --> 00:48:43,336
and the standard mode was,
1172
00:48:43,421 --> 00:48:44,921
"oh, don't tell anybody
anything."
1173
00:48:44,964 --> 00:48:46,589
let's just get their natural reaction.
1174
00:48:46,633 --> 00:48:48,758
- All of a sudden, some policemen
1175
00:48:48,801 --> 00:48:50,760
came in the ring on me.
1176
00:48:50,803 --> 00:48:54,263
There's a cop with a gun, and here the rest of 'em come.
1177
00:48:54,307 --> 00:48:55,556
- Piper was fighting the cops
and everything.
1178
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,100
It was just insanity.
1179
00:48:58,186 --> 00:49:00,728
- Hulk hogan was the biggest hero.
1180
00:49:00,813 --> 00:49:02,021
♪ ♪
1181
00:49:02,106 --> 00:49:05,858
roddy piper was the most
detested villain.
1182
00:49:05,944 --> 00:49:10,613
And now we are ready
to start our road
1183
00:49:10,657 --> 00:49:16,744
to the first wrestlemania.
1184
00:49:16,829 --> 00:49:18,704
- Okay, ariel, let's go.
Whoo, whoo, whoo!
1185
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:20,206
Come on, ariel.
1186
00:49:20,291 --> 00:49:21,624
- She's tired.
1187
00:49:21,668 --> 00:49:24,085
There's the proud papa.
1188
00:49:24,170 --> 00:49:26,295
Papa piper.
1189
00:49:26,381 --> 00:49:29,632
- My dad often would say things like,
1190
00:49:29,717 --> 00:49:30,841
"I can't imagine how hard it is
1191
00:49:30,927 --> 00:49:32,051
to be roddy piper's kid."
1192
00:49:32,136 --> 00:49:35,930
- here comes roddy and ariel.
1193
00:49:36,015 --> 00:49:38,432
- He felt guilty, like he was
some way a bad parent
1194
00:49:38,518 --> 00:49:40,643
because his career was,
in some way,
1195
00:49:40,728 --> 00:49:42,019
affecting our lives.
1196
00:49:42,105 --> 00:49:43,771
[laughter and
indistinct chatter]
1197
00:49:46,401 --> 00:49:49,110
- when we were starting out as a young family,
1198
00:49:49,195 --> 00:49:52,446
he came to me and said,
1199
00:49:52,532 --> 00:49:54,156
"I really do not want our children
1200
00:49:54,242 --> 00:49:56,367
"to grow up in a hundred
different places.
1201
00:49:56,452 --> 00:49:58,119
I want them to have roots."
1202
00:49:58,204 --> 00:50:00,329
you sure are pretty.
1203
00:50:00,373 --> 00:50:03,249
'cause he never felt like he had a home.
1204
00:50:04,794 --> 00:50:06,335
We chose to live in the country...
1205
00:50:06,421 --> 00:50:07,795
- [laughing]
1206
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,422
- and have a lot of land around us.
1207
00:50:09,507 --> 00:50:12,008
It was a safe zone.
1208
00:50:12,051 --> 00:50:15,886
- We lived on a 10-acre ranch
in the middle of nowhere,
1209
00:50:15,972 --> 00:50:17,555
end of a gravel road,
1210
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:22,476
and we really kept to just that ranch.
1211
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,854
- Good-bye.
With any kind of luck,
1212
00:50:24,939 --> 00:50:26,897
she'll keep going and we won't
have to feed her.
1213
00:50:26,983 --> 00:50:28,232
[laughs]
1214
00:50:28,317 --> 00:50:30,317
- we wanted to be isolated
1215
00:50:30,403 --> 00:50:33,237
because we had actual stalkers
who would come
1216
00:50:33,322 --> 00:50:36,741
and try and break into our house
or be on our property.
1217
00:50:38,077 --> 00:50:41,871
- We did not go to the malls. We did not go to the movies.
1218
00:50:41,956 --> 00:50:44,874
I must've gotten 30 fights
in one year,
1219
00:50:44,917 --> 00:50:46,667
just because people wanted
1220
00:50:46,753 --> 00:50:48,878
to test their moxie against me.
1221
00:50:49,797 --> 00:50:50,880
[dog barks]
1222
00:50:50,923 --> 00:50:53,841
♪ ♪
1223
00:50:53,926 --> 00:50:55,885
- and this kind of thing is real life.
1224
00:50:55,928 --> 00:50:57,470
♪ ♪
1225
00:50:57,555 --> 00:51:00,556
this is the kind of thing that makes a family.
1226
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,308
♪ ♪
1227
00:51:02,393 --> 00:51:04,727
it's a great way of nature,
1228
00:51:04,771 --> 00:51:06,937
just teaching a family how to be a family
1229
00:51:07,023 --> 00:51:08,064
and stay together.
1230
00:51:08,107 --> 00:51:10,691
♪ ♪
1231
00:51:13,279 --> 00:51:17,364
- I had a meeting with a small room full of our executives,
1232
00:51:17,408 --> 00:51:18,783
and I said,
1233
00:51:18,868 --> 00:51:19,950
"there is a super bowl,
you know.
1234
00:51:20,036 --> 00:51:21,243
There's a world series."
1235
00:51:21,287 --> 00:51:22,286
there's this, there's that.
1236
00:51:22,371 --> 00:51:24,038
It was really common sense.
1237
00:51:24,123 --> 00:51:26,540
So why not have one of your own?
1238
00:51:26,626 --> 00:51:28,584
Call it wrestlemania.
1239
00:51:28,669 --> 00:51:30,377
We would not have
wrestlemania I
1240
00:51:30,463 --> 00:51:32,254
had it not been for roddy
because you have to have,
1241
00:51:32,340 --> 00:51:35,049
again, a strong antagonist
to go with the protagonist.
1242
00:51:35,134 --> 00:51:37,384
- Check this out, dude.
Check that out.
1243
00:51:37,428 --> 00:51:38,928
- You have to have good stories
1244
00:51:38,971 --> 00:51:40,888
and you have to have bold characters
1245
00:51:40,973 --> 00:51:42,431
and larger-than-life individuals,
1246
00:51:42,475 --> 00:51:44,266
and roddy was all of that.
1247
00:51:44,352 --> 00:51:46,894
So I knew I had roddy, I knew I had hogan and mr. T.
1248
00:51:48,314 --> 00:51:49,772
It was like,
that was gonna work.
1249
00:51:49,816 --> 00:51:53,150
- How does it feel to be
portraying someone like myself?
1250
00:51:53,236 --> 00:51:54,568
- Well, you ain't nothing, man.
1251
00:51:54,654 --> 00:51:56,070
- Oh, oh, why?
1252
00:51:56,155 --> 00:51:58,322
Oh, because I don't have
a chair with my name on it?
1253
00:51:58,407 --> 00:52:00,908
- Roddy piper really did not
like mr. T.
1254
00:52:00,993 --> 00:52:03,202
- Don't look at--
- hey, hey, hey.
1255
00:52:03,287 --> 00:52:04,995
[overlapping shouting]
1256
00:52:05,081 --> 00:52:08,707
- in those days, you know, you really paid some dues
1257
00:52:08,793 --> 00:52:11,127
to be in the main event.
1258
00:52:11,170 --> 00:52:15,089
Then mr. T walks in, not even
having a match anywhere,
1259
00:52:15,174 --> 00:52:17,633
and it's like, "what right
does he have to be in my ring
1260
00:52:17,718 --> 00:52:18,801
in the main event?"
1261
00:52:18,886 --> 00:52:20,427
- you want to get in there,
brother,
1262
00:52:20,513 --> 00:52:22,346
and you want to try
some fighting, huh?
1263
00:52:22,431 --> 00:52:25,933
- We'd never brought in somebody from the outside,
1264
00:52:26,018 --> 00:52:27,476
and one of the biggest
problems I had
1265
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,479
was the barbaric mindset
of piper and orndorff.
1266
00:52:30,565 --> 00:52:32,314
- You're looking at someone
that will...
1267
00:52:32,358 --> 00:52:33,691
- "he's an actor. He's not into wrestling.
1268
00:52:33,776 --> 00:52:34,775
We're just gonna break his legs."
1269
00:52:34,861 --> 00:52:36,318
I said, "guys, please."
1270
00:52:36,404 --> 00:52:38,279
- how can I say it
without sounding cocky?
1271
00:52:38,322 --> 00:52:41,031
They didn't understand
that bringing me in
1272
00:52:41,117 --> 00:52:42,992
would broaden they thing
1273
00:52:43,077 --> 00:52:45,536
because, basically,
you know, vince,
1274
00:52:45,621 --> 00:52:47,454
being the pioneer
that he is, he said,
1275
00:52:47,540 --> 00:52:49,707
"wow, we gonna broaden,
bring it to the world."
1276
00:52:49,792 --> 00:52:51,375
- you come on down, t.
1277
00:52:51,460 --> 00:52:54,670
We'll put an x
where the t should be.
1278
00:52:54,755 --> 00:52:57,464
- Roddy hated the thought of a mr. T
1279
00:52:57,550 --> 00:52:59,842
coming into his arena.
1280
00:52:59,927 --> 00:53:02,803
It's an insult. It's a slap
in the face to the business.
1281
00:53:02,889 --> 00:53:04,805
- I had these two guys
1282
00:53:04,891 --> 00:53:06,682
that had this old-school mentality,
1283
00:53:06,767 --> 00:53:11,187
and plus I got this guy who's got this real edgy attitude.
1284
00:53:11,272 --> 00:53:12,730
You know, he's always talking
in the third person.
1285
00:53:12,815 --> 00:53:14,190
"mr. T don't put up with that."
1286
00:53:14,275 --> 00:53:15,524
- mr. T ain't no powder puff,
1287
00:53:15,610 --> 00:53:17,651
you had to understand,
you know.
1288
00:53:17,737 --> 00:53:20,404
- They didn't want to lose to mr. T
1289
00:53:20,489 --> 00:53:22,281
because he's not
a "real wrestler."
1290
00:53:22,366 --> 00:53:24,158
[no audible dialogue]
1291
00:53:24,243 --> 00:53:27,494
- there I am, the hottest heel they've ever had,
1292
00:53:27,580 --> 00:53:31,123
and now they want me to take a dive.
1293
00:53:31,209 --> 00:53:33,334
I said, "I ain't doing it."
1294
00:53:33,419 --> 00:53:35,336
- I was kind of like
the babysitter,
1295
00:53:35,421 --> 00:53:37,213
the moderator,
the peacekeeper,
1296
00:53:37,256 --> 00:53:39,465
and I was ready to have
a nervous breakdown.
1297
00:53:39,550 --> 00:53:43,677
- The wrestling extravaganza of all time, wrestlemania.
1298
00:53:43,763 --> 00:53:45,012
- The people knew
1299
00:53:45,097 --> 00:53:47,765
the wrestling business
was changing that night.
1300
00:53:47,850 --> 00:53:52,603
There was a fever pitch
in madison square garden.
1301
00:53:52,688 --> 00:53:54,271
- Piper's gonna get it.
- Get what?
1302
00:53:54,357 --> 00:53:55,689
- Get his butt kicked.
1303
00:53:55,775 --> 00:53:57,733
♪ ♪
1304
00:53:57,818 --> 00:54:02,404
- what do you do to show the world what this product is
1305
00:54:02,490 --> 00:54:04,907
and what it will be, you know, in a really big way?
1306
00:54:04,951 --> 00:54:07,451
Liberace, how the hell doe he fit into any of this?
1307
00:54:07,536 --> 00:54:09,370
He doesn't.
That's why I had him.
1308
00:54:09,455 --> 00:54:13,123
This is what sports entertainment is all about.
1309
00:54:13,209 --> 00:54:15,459
It was everything we had, we threw it in,
1310
00:54:15,544 --> 00:54:17,586
and let's roll the dice and do it in a big way.
1311
00:54:17,630 --> 00:54:19,713
Everything I had
was on the line.
1312
00:54:19,799 --> 00:54:20,923
[playing
spirited bagpipe music]
1313
00:54:20,967 --> 00:54:22,508
- there he is.
1314
00:54:22,593 --> 00:54:23,717
[crowd booing]
1315
00:54:23,803 --> 00:54:25,552
- rowdy roddy piper...
1316
00:54:25,638 --> 00:54:29,223
- Here is what is arguably the turning point
1317
00:54:29,308 --> 00:54:32,601
of the wwe in just so many ways.
1318
00:54:32,645 --> 00:54:34,770
Roddy was very stubborn,
1319
00:54:34,814 --> 00:54:37,064
but you're about
to make more money
1320
00:54:37,149 --> 00:54:39,733
than you ever had
in your entire lifetime.
1321
00:54:39,819 --> 00:54:41,610
[bell dings]
1322
00:54:41,696 --> 00:54:44,113
- there goes the bell. Look at the bell by liberace.
1323
00:54:44,198 --> 00:54:45,739
- Fans are chanting t, t, t.
1324
00:54:45,825 --> 00:54:46,949
And they're going nose-to-nose.
1325
00:54:46,993 --> 00:54:48,659
- Lookit, nose-to-nose.
1326
00:54:48,744 --> 00:54:51,578
- Mr. T and rowdy roddy piper, nose-to-nose...
1327
00:54:51,664 --> 00:54:54,623
- Roddy was smart enough to know,
1328
00:54:54,709 --> 00:54:56,083
"yeah, I'm gonna do business,
1329
00:54:56,127 --> 00:54:57,293
and I'm gonna make it
look right.
1330
00:54:57,336 --> 00:54:59,503
You don't have to like it.
1331
00:54:59,588 --> 00:55:01,839
- They're exchanging--oh!
1332
00:55:01,924 --> 00:55:04,800
Piper now goes behind quickly, takes him down to the canvas.
1333
00:55:04,844 --> 00:55:08,429
- At a certain point, roddy piper instructs mr. T,
1334
00:55:08,472 --> 00:55:10,889
"pick me up
in a fireman's carry."
1335
00:55:10,975 --> 00:55:13,559
- oh, nice fireman's carry.
1336
00:55:13,644 --> 00:55:15,102
- Even though he didn't want
1337
00:55:15,187 --> 00:55:17,354
mr. T to take advantage of him,
1338
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,691
roddy piper knows
how to sell himself,
1339
00:55:20,776 --> 00:55:23,610
and he knows that's the photo
1340
00:55:23,696 --> 00:55:25,279
that will go all over the world.
1341
00:55:25,364 --> 00:55:27,114
♪ ♪
1342
00:55:27,158 --> 00:55:28,824
- what's he gonna do with him?
1343
00:55:28,868 --> 00:55:31,243
Oh, drops him like yesterday's newspaper.
1344
00:55:31,329 --> 00:55:32,703
- You need to make mr. T
the hero.
1345
00:55:32,788 --> 00:55:34,288
This is what this is all about.
1346
00:55:34,373 --> 00:55:35,748
- Mr. T now in the wrong corner.
1347
00:55:35,833 --> 00:55:37,541
Here comes the hulk.
1348
00:55:37,626 --> 00:55:39,126
- Mr. T should have beaten one of those guys
1349
00:55:39,211 --> 00:55:40,627
right in the middle of the ring,
1350
00:55:40,713 --> 00:55:42,129
preferably piper.
1351
00:55:42,173 --> 00:55:43,630
- As piper was about to lower--
1352
00:55:43,716 --> 00:55:45,299
look out!
1353
00:55:45,384 --> 00:55:48,010
- But instead, they had to have orton
1354
00:55:48,054 --> 00:55:49,928
jump off the top rope with a cast.
1355
00:55:50,014 --> 00:55:53,640
It hits orndorff on the head just so we could get a win.
1356
00:55:53,726 --> 00:55:55,642
Piper didn't want to do the job,
1357
00:55:55,728 --> 00:55:57,811
even in wrestlemania.
1358
00:55:57,897 --> 00:55:59,730
You're the bad guy.
You're supposed to get beat.
1359
00:55:59,815 --> 00:56:01,231
That's what bad guys do.
1360
00:56:01,317 --> 00:56:03,025
♪ ♪
1361
00:56:03,069 --> 00:56:05,861
he was so protective about protecting roddy piper,
1362
00:56:05,946 --> 00:56:09,865
and he didn't realize if
you just listen to our opinion,
1363
00:56:09,909 --> 00:56:12,159
I think you might find things
a lot easier.
1364
00:56:12,244 --> 00:56:13,994
♪ ♪
1365
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,205
but piper didn't like me, you know, at all.
1366
00:56:16,248 --> 00:56:18,707
I mean, there was no rapport at all with him and I.
1367
00:56:18,751 --> 00:56:20,250
It was strictly business.
1368
00:56:20,336 --> 00:56:22,211
We didn't talk unless we had to.
1369
00:56:22,296 --> 00:56:25,089
But later on in life, piper and
I got to be real good friends.
1370
00:56:25,174 --> 00:56:26,882
I said, "you screwed up, man.
1371
00:56:26,967 --> 00:56:28,675
"you could've been one of
the richest guys I've ever met,
1372
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,178
but you wouldn't let me
beat you."
1373
00:56:31,263 --> 00:56:32,388
so he goes, "damn it.
I'm so pissed.
1374
00:56:32,473 --> 00:56:33,847
I wish we would've talked."
1375
00:56:33,933 --> 00:56:36,225
I said, "I tried to talk.
You wouldn't talk to me."
1376
00:56:37,770 --> 00:56:39,895
- hulk hogan, mr. T,
1377
00:56:39,980 --> 00:56:43,065
kind of taking the center stage of that whole event,
1378
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:45,234
he always felt
1379
00:56:45,277 --> 00:56:46,902
they couldn't have been
the center stage
1380
00:56:46,946 --> 00:56:48,904
without him being there,
being the bad guy.
1381
00:56:48,948 --> 00:56:52,908
And he knew his worth. He knew his worth.
1382
00:56:52,952 --> 00:56:59,081
- It's things like that that made roddy the ultimate rebel.
1383
00:56:59,125 --> 00:57:02,000
♪ ♪
1384
00:57:02,086 --> 00:57:04,044
- for myself to stay on top,
1385
00:57:04,130 --> 00:57:07,089
I needed to get out of the business completely,
1386
00:57:07,133 --> 00:57:09,299
do something in another form.
1387
00:57:09,385 --> 00:57:11,051
♪ ♪
1388
00:57:11,137 --> 00:57:12,719
- I spent a lot of time with roddy
1389
00:57:12,805 --> 00:57:14,680
and had a lot
of big talks with roddy
1390
00:57:14,765 --> 00:57:16,098
about that time period,
1391
00:57:16,183 --> 00:57:17,975
and I remember roddy
basically telling me
1392
00:57:18,060 --> 00:57:22,396
that you got to have something else after wrestling.
1393
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:23,480
"what are you gonna do
after that?"
1394
00:57:23,566 --> 00:57:25,107
and he's like, "hollywood."
1395
00:57:25,151 --> 00:57:29,111
♪ ♪
1396
00:57:29,196 --> 00:57:33,282
- roddy had a quality that I could use in a movie.
1397
00:57:33,325 --> 00:57:35,200
- Well, first of all, he didn't
have a pretty-boy face
1398
00:57:35,286 --> 00:57:36,952
like a hollywood actor,
1399
00:57:36,996 --> 00:57:40,122
and this role required him
to be kind of a working man.
1400
00:57:40,207 --> 00:57:42,458
- You, you're okay.
1401
00:57:42,501 --> 00:57:45,252
This one?
Real [bleep] ugly.
1402
00:57:45,337 --> 00:57:48,797
- The character of john nada is really based a lot on roddy
1403
00:57:48,841 --> 00:57:50,757
and his past and what he'd been through,
1404
00:57:50,843 --> 00:57:52,968
and he added a lot of color to that.
1405
00:57:53,012 --> 00:57:56,096
He gave me a notebook.
1406
00:57:56,182 --> 00:57:58,474
Now, this notebook were written all these phrases
1407
00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:00,476
and ideas he had
for interviews.
1408
00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:03,103
♪ ♪
1409
00:58:03,189 --> 00:58:04,813
and right there, sitting there, was,
1410
00:58:04,857 --> 00:58:06,482
"I've come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass,
1411
00:58:06,525 --> 00:58:09,026
and I'm all out of bubble gum."
1412
00:58:09,111 --> 00:58:11,111
I went, "that's a great line.
I could use that."
1413
00:58:11,197 --> 00:58:16,158
- I have come here to chew
bubble gum and kick ass,
1414
00:58:16,243 --> 00:58:18,660
and I'm all out of bubble gum.
1415
00:58:18,746 --> 00:58:19,786
- Oh, [bleep]!
[gunshot]
1416
00:58:22,541 --> 00:58:26,126
- that's all his idea. That was all from his brain.
1417
00:58:26,212 --> 00:58:28,962
- I've never felt safer
in my life
1418
00:58:29,048 --> 00:58:31,965
than fighting
with roddy piper.
1419
00:58:32,051 --> 00:58:33,967
[both grunting]
1420
00:58:35,221 --> 00:58:36,887
I believe that fight scene
1421
00:58:36,972 --> 00:58:39,348
lasts literally about seven minutes onscreen.
1422
00:58:39,433 --> 00:58:41,600
[both grunting and shouting]
1423
00:58:41,685 --> 00:58:42,976
- we really, you know,
1424
00:58:43,020 --> 00:58:45,062
choreographed the [bleep]
out of it.
1425
00:58:45,147 --> 00:58:48,440
But there was one time
we were both so hyped up--
1426
00:58:48,526 --> 00:58:49,733
I was especially hyped up--
1427
00:58:49,818 --> 00:58:52,194
and that first punch,
1428
00:58:52,238 --> 00:58:53,987
I hit him right in the face.
1429
00:58:54,073 --> 00:58:56,740
And it was--and I'd be like,
"oh, [bleep]. Oh, [bleep]."
1430
00:58:56,825 --> 00:58:58,325
and he's like,
"come on, man. Don't worry.
1431
00:58:58,410 --> 00:59:00,827
"come on, snap out of it.
Come on, let's start again."
1432
00:59:00,913 --> 00:59:02,287
and he was great.
1433
00:59:02,373 --> 00:59:05,958
- Brother, life's a bitch.
1434
00:59:07,253 --> 00:59:08,835
Don't feel sorry for me.
1435
00:59:08,921 --> 00:59:10,379
My name's john nada.
1436
00:59:10,464 --> 00:59:12,047
- [laughs]
1437
00:59:12,091 --> 00:59:13,882
a year and a half we were in los angeles
1438
00:59:13,968 --> 00:59:15,300
while he was filming those movies.
1439
00:59:15,386 --> 00:59:16,677
He brought the scripts home,
1440
00:59:16,762 --> 00:59:18,428
and we'd go over them.
1441
00:59:18,514 --> 00:59:22,599
He was always leaving to go to acting classes.
1442
00:59:23,769 --> 00:59:26,478
I mean, it was--it was
a whole nother lifestyle.
1443
00:59:29,275 --> 00:59:31,400
- It was not like it was today,
1444
00:59:31,443 --> 00:59:33,026
where it's a lot more flexible
1445
00:59:33,112 --> 00:59:35,237
for wrestlers to also do acting.
1446
00:59:35,281 --> 00:59:37,072
Back then, it was,
you didn't do that.
1447
00:59:37,157 --> 00:59:39,408
It was not an easy road to be,
1448
00:59:39,451 --> 00:59:42,035
really, the first wrestler
to go into film.
1449
00:59:42,121 --> 00:59:43,161
- When vince
was booking everything,
1450
00:59:43,247 --> 00:59:44,788
without piper's name,
1451
00:59:44,873 --> 00:59:47,583
it was real hard for us
to make that transition
1452
00:59:47,626 --> 00:59:49,751
'cause piper was so hot at the time.
1453
00:59:49,795 --> 00:59:51,378
- If roddy wanted to go off and do film,
1454
00:59:51,463 --> 00:59:53,046
what am I going to say?
1455
00:59:53,132 --> 00:59:54,715
No, don't take advantage of that opportunity?
1456
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:56,758
As long as I know
that he's coming back.
1457
00:59:56,844 --> 00:59:59,553
- He loved acting and he loved the work of it
1458
00:59:59,638 --> 01:00:01,555
but he felt alienated
1459
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,390
and didn't really have a lot in common
1460
01:00:03,475 --> 01:00:06,059
with a lot of the people
in hollywood.
1461
01:00:06,145 --> 01:00:08,687
- The only people that can understand me
1462
01:00:08,772 --> 01:00:10,147
are other wrestlers.
1463
01:00:10,232 --> 01:00:12,733
♪ ♪
1464
01:00:12,818 --> 01:00:15,485
I needed to come back to the wwe...
1465
01:00:15,571 --> 01:00:17,237
♪ ♪
1466
01:00:17,323 --> 01:00:18,739
and walk back in the front door.
1467
01:00:18,824 --> 01:00:24,870
♪ ♪
1468
01:00:24,955 --> 01:00:27,414
- rowdy roddy piper!
1469
01:00:27,499 --> 01:00:32,461
- When I came back into wrestling from hollywood,
1470
01:00:32,504 --> 01:00:36,965
bringing that credibility back
was huge.
1471
01:00:38,677 --> 01:00:40,927
- As far as roddy's standpoint is,
1472
01:00:40,971 --> 01:00:42,387
well, you had to bring me back
1473
01:00:42,473 --> 01:00:43,972
because I was the greatest
star of all time.
1474
01:00:44,058 --> 01:00:47,726
You know, that would be roddy's
point of view.
1475
01:00:47,811 --> 01:00:49,353
But it didn't matter what you want.
1476
01:00:49,438 --> 01:00:51,647
You give the audience what they want.
1477
01:00:51,690 --> 01:00:54,274
They want roddy to come back, well, let's give them roddy.
1478
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,110
- Standing ovation here for rowdy roddy.
1479
01:00:57,196 --> 01:00:58,862
- And after a respite,
1480
01:00:58,947 --> 01:01:00,447
you know, roddy's ready to come back.
1481
01:01:00,532 --> 01:01:02,199
Great, he's fresh. He's new all over again.
1482
01:01:02,284 --> 01:01:03,492
Different set of opponents.
1483
01:01:03,577 --> 01:01:05,160
- Mr. Downey?
1484
01:01:05,245 --> 01:01:07,329
- Yes, mr. Piper?
1485
01:01:07,414 --> 01:01:09,998
- Don't blow no more smoke
in my face.
1486
01:01:10,042 --> 01:01:11,166
- Morton downey, jr., was a talk show host.
1487
01:01:11,210 --> 01:01:12,584
You know, he was a big mouth.
1488
01:01:12,670 --> 01:01:14,294
And roddy had this
impeccable timing.
1489
01:01:14,380 --> 01:01:17,714
So when downey blows smoke in roddy's face,
1490
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,051
it's like, "one, two, three, four."
1491
01:01:21,136 --> 01:01:23,011
instead of
immediately doing it,
1492
01:01:23,055 --> 01:01:24,680
"watch something's going
to happen now."
1493
01:01:24,723 --> 01:01:25,847
and then it does.
1494
01:01:25,933 --> 01:01:27,140
- Ya-ha!
1495
01:01:27,184 --> 01:01:28,141
[laughs]
1496
01:01:30,020 --> 01:01:31,853
- he was so creative.
1497
01:01:31,897 --> 01:01:34,022
- I think the fire is out, jess.
1498
01:01:34,108 --> 01:01:35,482
- Very quick on his feet.
1499
01:01:35,567 --> 01:01:37,025
♪ ♪
1500
01:01:37,111 --> 01:01:40,445
but at the same time,
he was very opinionated
1501
01:01:40,531 --> 01:01:42,906
and wanted someone
to listen to his opinion.
1502
01:01:42,991 --> 01:01:45,075
I listened to a lot
of roddy's ideas,
1503
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,035
some of which were really
dead on
1504
01:01:47,121 --> 01:01:49,830
and some of which were,
whew, wow, that was out there.
1505
01:01:49,915 --> 01:01:51,832
- They say you shouldn't blow
your own horn.
1506
01:01:51,875 --> 01:01:53,208
Don't they say that?
Why not?
1507
01:01:53,252 --> 01:01:55,502
- You are the most
arrogant individual
1508
01:01:55,587 --> 01:01:57,295
I think we've ever had.
1509
01:01:57,381 --> 01:01:58,755
- I believe roddy once described our relationship
1510
01:01:58,841 --> 01:02:01,216
as a love-hate relationship.
1511
01:02:01,260 --> 01:02:02,926
We never fought.
1512
01:02:03,011 --> 01:02:05,554
There were a couple times when it was very close,
1513
01:02:05,597 --> 01:02:07,597
but that was the way it was back in those days.
1514
01:02:07,683 --> 01:02:09,850
A lot of times, you settled
things in a fistfight.
1515
01:02:09,893 --> 01:02:11,476
You just did.
1516
01:02:11,562 --> 01:02:14,062
- Vince and I were two peas in a pod.
1517
01:02:14,106 --> 01:02:15,981
I love the ass[bleep].
1518
01:02:16,066 --> 01:02:17,232
I do.
1519
01:02:17,276 --> 01:02:19,025
He's an ass[bleep] sometimes.
1520
01:02:19,111 --> 01:02:21,486
So am I.
1521
01:02:21,572 --> 01:02:23,405
[crowd chanting "roddy"]
1522
01:02:23,449 --> 01:02:27,075
- roddy piper was an attraction all to himself.
1523
01:02:27,161 --> 01:02:29,703
The fans could no longer boo him.
1524
01:02:29,788 --> 01:02:31,413
♪ ♪
1525
01:02:31,457 --> 01:02:34,249
you came to see roddy piper's intensity,
1526
01:02:34,293 --> 01:02:36,585
you came to hear his big mouth,
1527
01:02:36,628 --> 01:02:40,464
and you came to watch that frenzied,
1528
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:45,010
kinetic spirit he brought between the ropes.
1529
01:02:45,095 --> 01:02:49,973
- Rowdy roddy piper!
1530
01:02:50,058 --> 01:02:54,603
- Whether he won or whether he was humiliated,
1531
01:02:54,646 --> 01:02:56,563
he was a draw,
and he remained a draw.
1532
01:02:56,648 --> 01:02:59,816
- We have a new intercontinental champion:
1533
01:02:59,902 --> 01:03:02,694
Hot rod rowdy roddy piper.
1534
01:03:02,780 --> 01:03:05,614
- Roddy piper was maturing,
1535
01:03:05,699 --> 01:03:08,825
and it wasn't
all about roddy
1536
01:03:08,911 --> 01:03:14,164
and roddy was proving that,
hey, I can make people too.
1537
01:03:14,249 --> 01:03:16,082
♪ ♪
1538
01:03:16,168 --> 01:03:19,002
- I wouldn't lay my shoulders down for anybody.
1539
01:03:19,087 --> 01:03:22,923
But when I do, I make somebody,
1540
01:03:23,008 --> 01:03:24,800
and it means something.
1541
01:03:24,843 --> 01:03:26,551
- This is going to be something!
1542
01:03:27,554 --> 01:03:29,304
- This was a special match.
1543
01:03:29,389 --> 01:03:30,680
This is the biggest moment
in my life,
1544
01:03:30,766 --> 01:03:31,848
for sure, up to this point.
1545
01:03:31,934 --> 01:03:34,976
Roddy really launched me.
1546
01:03:35,062 --> 01:03:36,853
Like, my whole career
just starting climbing,
1547
01:03:36,939 --> 01:03:40,148
and it was roddy was the one
that gave me that first boost.
1548
01:03:40,192 --> 01:03:42,901
- This is the first time
these two men are meeting
1549
01:03:42,986 --> 01:03:44,444
for the world wrestling
entertainment
1550
01:03:44,530 --> 01:03:45,987
intercontinental title.
1551
01:03:46,031 --> 01:03:48,073
- I think the last time--I think
I did watch this, maybe,
1552
01:03:48,158 --> 01:03:49,157
when roddy died.
1553
01:03:49,201 --> 01:03:50,617
I always make a point of, like,
1554
01:03:50,702 --> 01:03:53,495
trying to go back
and find some good memories.
1555
01:03:53,539 --> 01:03:57,541
- I always felt roddy took a special interest in me.
1556
01:03:57,626 --> 01:03:59,209
Roddy was born in saskatoon,
1557
01:03:59,294 --> 01:04:01,127
and my dad grew up in saskatoon.
1558
01:04:01,213 --> 01:04:03,839
And there was a possibility
that their name--
1559
01:04:03,882 --> 01:04:05,340
like, they were in
the same family.
1560
01:04:05,384 --> 01:04:08,051
Maybe there was
some blood between us.
1561
01:04:08,136 --> 01:04:10,178
When I first met him,
1562
01:04:10,264 --> 01:04:12,013
we joked that we might be cousins.
1563
01:04:12,057 --> 01:04:13,765
Like, it was like, "hey, cuz."
1564
01:04:13,851 --> 01:04:16,560
and I didn't mind. I never
minded roddy being a cousin.
1565
01:04:16,645 --> 01:04:21,147
- I know this guy since he'd
been knee-high to a grasshopper.
1566
01:04:21,191 --> 01:04:23,692
I remember when they were
changing your potty pants.
1567
01:04:23,735 --> 01:04:26,611
- I think it was a message to the other wrestlers,
1568
01:04:26,697 --> 01:04:28,363
some of the other superstars
1569
01:04:28,448 --> 01:04:30,448
that weren't in the habit
of reaching down
1570
01:04:30,534 --> 01:04:32,117
to help the next guys.
1571
01:04:32,202 --> 01:04:33,785
Roddy was like, "here,
I'll show you how it's done."
1572
01:04:33,871 --> 01:04:36,246
- eye-to-eye, nose-to-nose.
1573
01:04:36,331 --> 01:04:38,331
- But I was relieved to find out
1574
01:04:38,417 --> 01:04:40,375
that this guy's really pitching for me.
1575
01:04:40,419 --> 01:04:42,544
He's actually opening
the doors for me.
1576
01:04:43,881 --> 01:04:45,213
That match was roddy's match.
1577
01:04:45,299 --> 01:04:46,506
- Now rowdy roddy...
1578
01:04:46,550 --> 01:04:48,049
Oh, bulldog!
1579
01:04:48,093 --> 01:04:50,010
- Roddy put that match together.
1580
01:04:50,053 --> 01:04:51,928
- Wide open!
1581
01:04:52,014 --> 01:04:55,473
- Roddy was so tuned in to what would work with the fans.
1582
01:04:55,559 --> 01:04:56,933
- He's got the bell.
1583
01:04:57,019 --> 01:04:58,560
Piper's gonna ring his bell.
1584
01:04:58,604 --> 01:05:01,479
- They don't want him
to brain me with the bell.
1585
01:05:02,608 --> 01:05:04,232
"no, no, don't do it."
1586
01:05:04,276 --> 01:05:06,610
- he's having second thoughts.
1587
01:05:06,695 --> 01:05:08,236
- His conscience gets the better of him,
1588
01:05:08,322 --> 01:05:11,323
and he changes his mind here
and decides not to.
1589
01:05:13,035 --> 01:05:14,200
- Oh, look at that move
1590
01:05:14,244 --> 01:05:16,119
off the turnbuckle!
1591
01:05:16,204 --> 01:05:17,746
It's over!
[crowd cheers]
1592
01:05:17,831 --> 01:05:19,372
- see that? Being a nice guy, it cost him.
1593
01:05:19,416 --> 01:05:20,540
Idiot.
1594
01:05:21,793 --> 01:05:23,126
[laughs]
1595
01:05:23,211 --> 01:05:24,794
♪ ♪
1596
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,255
over the years, roddy told me many times
1597
01:05:27,299 --> 01:05:29,257
that it was his most
favorite match,
1598
01:05:29,301 --> 01:05:32,344
and, you know,
you never forget that.
1599
01:05:33,347 --> 01:05:35,305
- There's an old saying that's,
1600
01:05:35,390 --> 01:05:37,641
"you need a license to hunt. You need a license to fish.
1601
01:05:37,726 --> 01:05:39,225
"any jerk can have a kid.
1602
01:05:39,269 --> 01:05:41,394
It takes a man to be a dad."
1603
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:42,854
♪ ♪
1604
01:05:42,940 --> 01:05:44,606
oh, man.
1605
01:05:44,650 --> 01:05:48,109
- When I look at my childhood,
my dad was gone almost every day
1606
01:05:48,195 --> 01:05:49,861
for at least
up until I was five.
1607
01:05:49,947 --> 01:05:53,615
- The first, at least, 12 years of my life,
1608
01:05:53,700 --> 01:05:55,617
he was gone for long periods
of time.
1609
01:05:55,661 --> 01:05:58,411
I think at one point, I didn't
see him for over a year.
1610
01:05:58,497 --> 01:06:00,288
♪ ♪
1611
01:06:00,332 --> 01:06:01,498
- we both made the same choice,
1612
01:06:01,583 --> 01:06:02,999
that the wrestling business
1613
01:06:03,085 --> 01:06:05,293
took precedent over anything,
even family,
1614
01:06:05,379 --> 01:06:07,045
so that's a tough choice
1615
01:06:07,130 --> 01:06:08,964
to look in the mirror
and live with.
1616
01:06:09,049 --> 01:06:15,136
- You were gone at least 300 days a year, every year.
1617
01:06:15,222 --> 01:06:18,515
Roddy was--like me,
was a real strong family man.
1618
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,518
You know, you--
you commiserate together,
1619
01:06:21,603 --> 01:06:23,645
and you're missing your kids' birthday parties
1620
01:06:23,689 --> 01:06:25,522
and you miss Halloween
1621
01:06:25,607 --> 01:06:27,649
and you miss all these little special days all the time.
1622
01:06:27,693 --> 01:06:29,484
You see pictures,
1623
01:06:29,569 --> 01:06:31,820
the heartbreak at home of being gone all the time.
1624
01:06:31,863 --> 01:06:34,739
You know, it's just this very tough part of your life.
1625
01:06:34,825 --> 01:06:39,160
- When roddy would come home and have to be dad,
1626
01:06:39,246 --> 01:06:42,163
he was always fun.
1627
01:06:42,249 --> 01:06:43,748
[kids chattering excitedly]
1628
01:06:43,834 --> 01:06:46,626
he would spoil them rotten.
1629
01:06:48,296 --> 01:06:50,171
He would pull them out of school,
1630
01:06:50,215 --> 01:06:52,090
didn't matter what was going on.
1631
01:06:53,093 --> 01:06:55,010
[girls screaming]
1632
01:06:55,095 --> 01:06:59,472
christmas, he was always home, and always lots of presents.
1633
01:07:00,851 --> 01:07:03,685
- Hey, you!
- A lot of cuddle time.
1634
01:07:03,729 --> 01:07:08,231
He was trying very hard to create what he didn't have.
1635
01:07:08,316 --> 01:07:12,193
- He would come home, and he would be so exhausted,
1636
01:07:12,237 --> 01:07:14,029
you know, while trying to see us.
1637
01:07:14,114 --> 01:07:16,281
And then he would want
to have fun
1638
01:07:16,366 --> 01:07:18,450
or just do something as a family.
1639
01:07:18,535 --> 01:07:21,077
And then immediately, like, as soon as we were having fun,
1640
01:07:21,163 --> 01:07:24,164
you could see him getting antsy about work.
1641
01:07:24,249 --> 01:07:26,041
You could see it start to tick
like a clock,
1642
01:07:26,126 --> 01:07:27,584
going faster and faster.
1643
01:07:27,669 --> 01:07:29,335
And I think he missed it.
1644
01:07:29,421 --> 01:07:31,296
You know, he missed us when he was gone,
1645
01:07:31,381 --> 01:07:34,257
and he missed the action when he was home.
1646
01:07:34,342 --> 01:07:36,718
- He was like a runaway
as a kid growing up
1647
01:07:36,762 --> 01:07:40,555
and spent a lot of time on the road in his own mind-set.
1648
01:07:40,599 --> 01:07:43,141
Like, roddy against the world.
1649
01:07:43,226 --> 01:07:46,019
He was not like any other wrestler.
1650
01:07:46,104 --> 01:07:48,563
He was in his own world.
1651
01:07:48,648 --> 01:07:51,566
I think that world
also meant going away.
1652
01:07:51,610 --> 01:07:55,945
- I'm gonna get 30 minutes with my dad this month.
1653
01:07:56,031 --> 01:07:57,989
I just want to hug him, cuddle with him,
1654
01:07:58,075 --> 01:08:00,450
kiss him, and do whatever I can in that time,
1655
01:08:00,535 --> 01:08:01,743
because I literally get him
1656
01:08:01,828 --> 01:08:03,411
on his transfer layover flight.
1657
01:08:03,497 --> 01:08:05,580
He wasn't an nfl player
that had a season.
1658
01:08:05,624 --> 01:08:06,873
He went 365.
1659
01:08:06,958 --> 01:08:08,458
- [plays note]
- there you go.
1660
01:08:08,543 --> 01:08:10,794
- They never liked seeing him go,
1661
01:08:10,879 --> 01:08:12,796
everyone, including myself.
1662
01:08:12,881 --> 01:08:14,547
- If you could wish for
anything in the whole world,
1663
01:08:14,591 --> 01:08:16,132
what would you wish for?
1664
01:08:16,218 --> 01:08:19,719
- For my family to be together
all the time.
1665
01:08:26,728 --> 01:08:28,103
You know, it's hard not
to get sad
1666
01:08:28,146 --> 01:08:30,438
when he's going out the door,
but...
1667
01:08:30,524 --> 01:08:31,856
Sorry.
[clears throat]
1668
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:34,359
[exhales]
1669
01:08:34,444 --> 01:08:37,987
♪ ♪
1670
01:08:38,073 --> 01:08:43,409
[whispers]
I need a minute.
1671
01:08:43,495 --> 01:08:45,036
♪ ♪
1672
01:08:45,122 --> 01:08:48,998
- it's hard to live with a man that has constant injuries.
1673
01:08:49,084 --> 01:08:54,129
Of course, they varied
from bruises to broken bones.
1674
01:08:54,172 --> 01:08:58,758
He never let on how bad he was hurting.
1675
01:08:58,844 --> 01:09:02,595
I would beg him to sit still and recover from an injury.
1676
01:09:02,681 --> 01:09:04,430
Yes, yes, I would.
1677
01:09:04,516 --> 01:09:07,809
But you cannot make rod
do anything he doesn't want to.
1678
01:09:07,853 --> 01:09:09,269
♪ ♪
1679
01:09:09,354 --> 01:09:11,813
- dad was injured 90% of the time.
1680
01:09:11,857 --> 01:09:13,314
♪ ♪
1681
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:15,024
so when I say I had
to lace his boots up
1682
01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:16,776
since I was eight years old,
1683
01:09:16,820 --> 01:09:18,570
it's because it physically
hurt him.
1684
01:09:20,824 --> 01:09:23,825
- He is sorely outnumbered here.
1685
01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:26,995
- I remember the first time
that I really felt, like,
1686
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:28,663
wow, he is mortal.
1687
01:09:28,707 --> 01:09:31,916
- Hogan gives a whuppin' on him.
1688
01:09:32,002 --> 01:09:34,961
- And truly hating hogan.
1689
01:09:35,005 --> 01:09:36,379
[crowd cheering]
1690
01:09:36,464 --> 01:09:38,089
- they can't hold him down!
1691
01:09:38,175 --> 01:09:41,467
- The hardest thing as a kid, for me,
1692
01:09:41,553 --> 01:09:43,178
was knowing your dad's
injuries.
1693
01:09:43,221 --> 01:09:44,846
- And he had just had
a hip replacement.
1694
01:09:44,890 --> 01:09:47,390
- Showing that scar there. You can see it.
1695
01:09:47,475 --> 01:09:49,350
- He had a scar from the hip replacement.
1696
01:09:49,394 --> 01:09:51,811
Hulk hogan took a chair
and hit my dad.
1697
01:09:51,897 --> 01:09:54,189
- Oh, no! No!
1698
01:09:54,274 --> 01:09:55,648
- He's not supposed
to be wrestling.
1699
01:09:55,734 --> 01:09:57,692
We were told he might not
even walk again.
1700
01:09:57,736 --> 01:09:59,819
♪ ♪
1701
01:09:59,905 --> 01:10:03,031
- I just remember
breaking down in tears
1702
01:10:03,116 --> 01:10:05,742
because, for the first time, it became real.
1703
01:10:05,827 --> 01:10:08,578
- Roddy! Roddy! Roddy!
1704
01:10:08,663 --> 01:10:10,330
- So at that point,
1705
01:10:10,415 --> 01:10:13,416
my parents stopped letting us watch altogether.
1706
01:10:13,501 --> 01:10:15,919
- When we had the inside and the outside view,
1707
01:10:16,004 --> 01:10:18,213
it was really rough.
1708
01:10:18,256 --> 01:10:20,590
- I mean, he was just in constant pain
1709
01:10:20,675 --> 01:10:23,009
and yet could work through it.
1710
01:10:23,094 --> 01:10:27,472
As he got older, he had a shoulder injury,
1711
01:10:27,557 --> 01:10:30,308
and his arm would just hang, like, a couple inches lower
1712
01:10:30,393 --> 01:10:32,227
than the other arm,
and he was probably like that
1713
01:10:32,312 --> 01:10:33,353
for a year or two.
1714
01:10:33,438 --> 01:10:35,063
It turned out his, like--
1715
01:10:35,106 --> 01:10:37,690
they pulled out something
like five or six shattered bones
1716
01:10:37,776 --> 01:10:40,151
that were just, like,
floating around his shoulder.
1717
01:10:40,237 --> 01:10:43,029
- It was kind of fascinating
1718
01:10:43,114 --> 01:10:45,823
for me to see him behind the scenes
1719
01:10:45,909 --> 01:10:47,742
having a hard time getting out of bed,
1720
01:10:47,827 --> 01:10:49,202
having a hard time walking,
1721
01:10:49,246 --> 01:10:51,913
and two hours later,
he's in the ring
1722
01:10:51,998 --> 01:10:53,998
and you'd never know
anything was wrong
1723
01:10:54,084 --> 01:10:55,291
because he loved it.
1724
01:10:55,377 --> 01:10:57,252
He loved putting on a show.
1725
01:10:57,337 --> 01:11:01,422
It really was just two completely different lives.
1726
01:11:01,466 --> 01:11:04,884
♪ ♪
1727
01:11:04,970 --> 01:11:08,930
- during the time of 2003 when dad talked to hbo,
1728
01:11:09,015 --> 01:11:10,723
it was a dark time for dad
1729
01:11:10,767 --> 01:11:12,600
in front of the camera
and at home.
1730
01:11:12,686 --> 01:11:14,686
- Everybody's dead.
1731
01:11:14,771 --> 01:11:17,230
They're all dying early,
1732
01:11:17,315 --> 01:11:20,441
and nobody cares about it.
1733
01:11:20,485 --> 01:11:23,194
- What the hell is he doing?
1734
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:27,156
And what the hell is he saying?
It's like, really?
1735
01:11:27,242 --> 01:11:31,244
- They take them
and they screw them up so much
1736
01:11:31,329 --> 01:11:35,415
and they being the rash
of promoters
1737
01:11:35,500 --> 01:11:37,417
that I've gone through
in the 33 years.
1738
01:11:37,502 --> 01:11:39,252
- And a lot of times
you lash out, you know,
1739
01:11:39,337 --> 01:11:41,838
and that's what roddy was
doing was lashing out.
1740
01:11:41,923 --> 01:11:43,464
♪ ♪
1741
01:11:43,550 --> 01:11:47,719
- a lot of his friends
had started passing away,
1742
01:11:47,804 --> 01:11:50,972
and it makes you worry
and it makes you concerned,
1743
01:11:51,016 --> 01:11:54,309
and so that's when he started
being vocal about it.
1744
01:11:54,394 --> 01:11:56,352
- I know he blamed the company
1745
01:11:56,438 --> 01:11:58,604
for just about everything
in the interviews,
1746
01:11:58,690 --> 01:12:01,983
but at that time,
he had lost so much.
1747
01:12:02,027 --> 01:12:03,985
He wasn't wrestling.
He was hurt.
1748
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:06,612
He was just trying to stand up for his buddies.
1749
01:12:06,698 --> 01:12:09,365
But later on, towards the end,
1750
01:12:09,451 --> 01:12:11,159
dad had talked to me and, you know, he said,
1751
01:12:11,244 --> 01:12:14,162
"it's the business we get into.
We know what it is, you know.
1752
01:12:14,247 --> 01:12:15,913
"we don't get in there
thinking we're gonna live
1753
01:12:15,999 --> 01:12:17,665
to 70, 80 years old."
1754
01:12:17,709 --> 01:12:22,211
- what would you have me do at 49 when,
1755
01:12:22,297 --> 01:12:24,964
like, my pension plan,
I can't take out until I'm 65.
1756
01:12:25,008 --> 01:12:28,509
I'm not gonna make 65.
Let's just face facts, guys.
1757
01:12:28,595 --> 01:12:31,512
- When someone says really
rotten thing about your company,
1758
01:12:31,598 --> 01:12:34,807
you know, you're not gonna
welcome them with open arms.
1759
01:12:34,851 --> 01:12:37,977
You know, you're gonna say,
"time for us to say good-bye."
1760
01:12:38,063 --> 01:12:40,188
♪ ♪
1761
01:12:40,231 --> 01:12:42,940
- he wasn't expecting the consequences.
1762
01:12:43,026 --> 01:12:44,484
He lost a contract.
1763
01:12:44,569 --> 01:12:45,860
It was pretty bad for our family
1764
01:12:45,945 --> 01:12:47,570
as far as, like, our well-being goes.
1765
01:12:47,655 --> 01:12:51,532
I think he felt very lost, very depressed,
1766
01:12:51,576 --> 01:12:54,160
a little bit reckless with his behavior.
1767
01:12:54,204 --> 01:12:55,244
Obviously,
with the hbo interview,
1768
01:12:55,330 --> 01:12:56,996
that's a good example.
1769
01:12:57,082 --> 01:12:59,999
And, you know, I've talked about him having demons,
1770
01:13:00,085 --> 01:13:02,377
and I think that this was sort of like the height
1771
01:13:02,420 --> 01:13:04,879
of his demons coming out was this period of his life.
1772
01:13:04,923 --> 01:13:09,217
♪ ♪
1773
01:13:10,220 --> 01:13:11,719
- yeah, nothing's permanent
in this business,
1774
01:13:11,805 --> 01:13:14,097
and as piper's been fired,
1775
01:13:14,182 --> 01:13:15,306
I've been fired a couple times.
1776
01:13:15,392 --> 01:13:16,891
You know, but things change
1777
01:13:16,976 --> 01:13:19,852
and, you know, the president or...
1778
01:13:19,938 --> 01:13:22,021
Oj or somebody will do something
1779
01:13:22,107 --> 01:13:23,898
that takes precedent over something that we did.
1780
01:13:23,942 --> 01:13:26,901
So I think vince understands that he's dealing with
1781
01:13:26,986 --> 01:13:29,695
a bunch of high, intense personalities.
1782
01:13:29,739 --> 01:13:31,864
But vince has been
pretty forgiving.
1783
01:13:31,908 --> 01:13:34,367
- Whoo! Ladies and gentlemen,
I give you--
1784
01:13:34,452 --> 01:13:39,038
I give you the most
gifted entertainer
1785
01:13:39,124 --> 01:13:42,959
in the history
of professional wrestling:
1786
01:13:43,044 --> 01:13:46,212
My man, the hot rod.
1787
01:13:46,297 --> 01:13:49,549
[playing bagpipe music]
1788
01:13:49,634 --> 01:13:51,342
- I think it was huge for him,
1789
01:13:51,428 --> 01:13:53,094
you know, 'cause his whole life was wrestling.
1790
01:13:53,138 --> 01:13:56,222
Even though wrestling is an exhibition,
1791
01:13:56,307 --> 01:13:58,516
for us, the hall of fame is real.
1792
01:13:58,601 --> 01:14:01,227
[crowd chanting "roddy"]
1793
01:14:01,312 --> 01:14:03,604
roddy! Roddy!
Roddy! Roddy!
1794
01:14:03,648 --> 01:14:04,897
♪ ♪
1795
01:14:04,983 --> 01:14:06,858
- I want to tell you this.
1796
01:14:08,611 --> 01:14:10,236
I love you s...
1797
01:14:10,321 --> 01:14:11,279
[chuckles]
1798
01:14:11,364 --> 01:14:12,697
[laughter]
1799
01:14:12,782 --> 01:14:15,825
I love you so much, man.
1800
01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:19,787
I love you so much,
but I guarantee you this:
1801
01:14:19,873 --> 01:14:23,958
My name is rowdy roddy piper,
and you ain't seen nothing yet.
1802
01:14:34,304 --> 01:14:37,305
[solemn music]
1803
01:14:37,348 --> 01:14:41,142
♪ ♪
1804
01:14:41,186 --> 01:14:43,352
[pen scratching]
1805
01:14:43,438 --> 01:14:44,979
- you can find sympathy in the dictionary
1806
01:14:45,064 --> 01:14:47,315
between [bleep] and suicide.
1807
01:14:47,358 --> 01:14:49,692
♪ ♪
1808
01:14:49,777 --> 01:14:51,319
- roddy was definitely depressed
1809
01:14:51,404 --> 01:14:55,156
off and on during his life.
1810
01:14:55,241 --> 01:14:58,451
You know, you're either up 100%
1811
01:14:58,536 --> 01:15:00,161
or you're kind of down,
1812
01:15:00,205 --> 01:15:02,830
and it was always hard for him
to find the middle spot.
1813
01:15:04,417 --> 01:15:07,293
One of the demons was that time in his life
1814
01:15:07,378 --> 01:15:10,630
as a teenager when he was surviving on the street.
1815
01:15:10,715 --> 01:15:12,465
He never let that go.
1816
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:14,008
- I was so young.
1817
01:15:14,093 --> 01:15:16,344
I had to fight for everything I had.
1818
01:15:16,387 --> 01:15:19,263
♪ ♪
1819
01:15:19,349 --> 01:15:20,848
oh, man.
1820
01:15:20,892 --> 01:15:23,142
♪ ♪
1821
01:15:23,228 --> 01:15:24,644
- he told me some stuff
about his childhood
1822
01:15:24,729 --> 01:15:26,187
and living on the street.
1823
01:15:26,231 --> 01:15:29,023
He was in a bad spot
and used and abused
1824
01:15:29,067 --> 01:15:32,068
and just a lot of bad stuff
that I had no idea.
1825
01:15:32,153 --> 01:15:33,861
♪ ♪
1826
01:15:33,905 --> 01:15:37,031
- nobody--you know, nobody feel sorry for me, man.
1827
01:15:37,116 --> 01:15:38,783
- You know, he had phoned me from the road,
1828
01:15:38,868 --> 01:15:40,952
and he'd been in his hotel room for three days
1829
01:15:41,037 --> 01:15:42,787
with the lights off.
1830
01:15:42,872 --> 01:15:44,830
He was depressed. There was things on his mind
1831
01:15:44,916 --> 01:15:46,666
that went back to his childhood.
1832
01:15:46,751 --> 01:15:48,668
♪ ♪
1833
01:15:48,753 --> 01:15:51,712
his mind went to spots
that weren't good for him.
1834
01:15:51,756 --> 01:15:53,714
♪ ♪
1835
01:15:53,758 --> 01:15:56,884
- he still had that crumbling part inside his soul
1836
01:15:56,970 --> 01:15:59,011
that he could never mend.
1837
01:15:59,097 --> 01:16:00,680
He was so depressed at times,
1838
01:16:00,765 --> 01:16:04,934
I'm sure that he did
think of suicide.
1839
01:16:05,019 --> 01:16:06,561
He wouldn't follow through
with it
1840
01:16:06,604 --> 01:16:08,187
because, as he would
be the first to say,
1841
01:16:08,273 --> 01:16:10,731
he's not a coward,
and that's a coward's way out.
1842
01:16:10,817 --> 01:16:16,195
But he was so sad at times
inside himself
1843
01:16:16,281 --> 01:16:18,698
that I know that he did
think that occasionally,
1844
01:16:18,783 --> 01:16:20,241
and that's heartbreaking.
1845
01:16:28,251 --> 01:16:29,709
- At 242 pounds,
1846
01:16:29,752 --> 01:16:33,087
the hot rod, rowdy roddy piper.
1847
01:16:33,131 --> 01:16:36,382
[playing jaunty piano music]
1848
01:16:36,467 --> 01:16:39,093
- hey, buddy!
- How you doing, pal?
1849
01:16:39,137 --> 01:16:41,053
Yeah. Nice.
- Good to see you!
1850
01:16:41,139 --> 01:16:42,638
- Good to see you too.
Been in jail.
1851
01:16:42,724 --> 01:16:44,724
- As he started to wind down wrestling,
1852
01:16:44,809 --> 01:16:46,726
he really started to have fun
1853
01:16:46,769 --> 01:16:50,354
going into acting
as well as comedy.
1854
01:16:55,987 --> 01:16:57,612
[laughter]
1855
01:16:57,655 --> 01:16:59,572
- in a weird way, I think it was a nice,
1856
01:16:59,657 --> 01:17:01,907
therapeutic thing that he realized
1857
01:17:01,993 --> 01:17:03,576
that just because he couldn't
wrestle anymore
1858
01:17:03,661 --> 01:17:05,036
didn't mean
that he couldn't perform.
1859
01:17:10,668 --> 01:17:11,626
[laughter]
1860
01:17:15,506 --> 01:17:16,922
- he enjoyed telling these stories,
1861
01:17:17,008 --> 01:17:18,716
he enjoyed connecting
with his fans,
1862
01:17:18,801 --> 01:17:21,135
and that was something that
he was very passionate about.
1863
01:17:21,179 --> 01:17:24,722
- May all your dreams
come true. God bless you.
1864
01:17:24,807 --> 01:17:26,307
[applause]
- how cool is that?
1865
01:17:26,392 --> 01:17:28,934
Rowdy roddy piper!
1866
01:17:29,020 --> 01:17:31,771
January of 2009,
1867
01:17:31,856 --> 01:17:34,148
his manager reached out and said,
1868
01:17:34,192 --> 01:17:36,067
"would you have any interest
1869
01:17:36,152 --> 01:17:40,071
in helping roddy cultivate
a stand-up comedy act?"
1870
01:17:40,156 --> 01:17:42,948
and I was like, "absolutely."
1871
01:17:43,034 --> 01:17:44,492
because here's the thing:
1872
01:17:44,577 --> 01:17:46,494
When you watch pro wrestling
with brothers,
1873
01:17:46,579 --> 01:17:48,287
that wasn't even a tv show.
1874
01:17:48,373 --> 01:17:50,831
That was an instruction guide
on how to hurt each other.
1875
01:17:50,875 --> 01:17:52,833
That's all it was.
1876
01:17:52,877 --> 01:17:57,421
I grew up the middle of three boys in suburban philadelphia
1877
01:17:57,507 --> 01:18:01,550
in really the golden age of
modern professional wrestling.
1878
01:18:01,636 --> 01:18:03,219
♪ ♪
1879
01:18:03,304 --> 01:18:06,806
I remember being a kid when he showed up.
1880
01:18:06,891 --> 01:18:08,557
He was the worst.
1881
01:18:08,643 --> 01:18:10,101
[laughs]
like, I remember being
1882
01:18:10,186 --> 01:18:12,561
a chubby 11-year-old kid
buying a t-shirt that said,
1883
01:18:12,647 --> 01:18:14,522
"I hate rowdy roddy piper."
1884
01:18:14,565 --> 01:18:19,151
like, he could get you to yell at a television set.
1885
01:18:19,237 --> 01:18:21,362
♪ ♪
1886
01:18:21,406 --> 01:18:24,407
and meeting roddy was like meeting somebody
1887
01:18:24,492 --> 01:18:26,033
out of a comic book.
1888
01:18:26,119 --> 01:18:28,703
That began a really cool relationship
1889
01:18:28,746 --> 01:18:30,538
where I would just listen to stories
1890
01:18:30,623 --> 01:18:35,376
and try to help him craft that
into some sort of cohesive act.
1891
01:18:42,051 --> 01:18:47,054
- As a comedian, I have a unbelievable amount of respect
1892
01:18:47,098 --> 01:18:50,266
for somebody that can connect
with audiences
1893
01:18:50,351 --> 01:18:51,434
on such a deep level.
1894
01:18:51,519 --> 01:18:54,228
That was his mutant ability.
1895
01:18:54,272 --> 01:18:56,188
- Like that power walking...
1896
01:18:56,274 --> 01:18:58,441
[laughter]
1897
01:18:58,526 --> 01:19:00,484
- I got to go through roddy's life with him
1898
01:19:00,570 --> 01:19:02,111
on a comedic journey,
1899
01:19:02,196 --> 01:19:06,490
but hearing his life experience
was just so amazing.
1900
01:19:11,664 --> 01:19:13,414
- Roddy's darkness is one of the things
1901
01:19:13,499 --> 01:19:15,082
that drew him to stand-up comedy.
1902
01:19:15,168 --> 01:19:18,169
[playing harmonica]
1903
01:19:19,046 --> 01:19:21,714
you can turn pain into joy,
1904
01:19:21,799 --> 01:19:26,093
and making people laugh meant a lot to him.
1905
01:19:26,137 --> 01:19:31,557
♪ ♪
1906
01:19:31,642 --> 01:19:33,559
- he is the wwe
hall of famer
1907
01:19:33,603 --> 01:19:37,396
and one of the all-time greats,
rowdy roddy piper.
1908
01:19:37,482 --> 01:19:39,231
- When he would get off the road,
1909
01:19:39,317 --> 01:19:41,650
he would be tired or hurt, and he'd recover.
1910
01:19:41,736 --> 01:19:44,987
But there was never a time
that he did an interview
1911
01:19:45,072 --> 01:19:47,490
or he got on camera
and he couldn't turn it on.
1912
01:19:47,575 --> 01:19:49,450
- What was the question?
[laughs]
1913
01:19:49,494 --> 01:19:51,410
- this time was different.
1914
01:19:51,496 --> 01:19:53,078
He had this interview.
1915
01:19:53,164 --> 01:19:54,914
And he gets on and he's, like,
1916
01:19:54,999 --> 01:19:56,832
can't put his thoughts
together.
1917
01:19:56,918 --> 01:19:59,293
- Nah, but--but what I don't
think is an honor...
1918
01:20:01,130 --> 01:20:03,547
Uh...
Let me--let me try to do this.
1919
01:20:03,633 --> 01:20:05,758
- It's one of those things
that, as a family member,
1920
01:20:05,802 --> 01:20:07,468
when you know someone close
and you're like,
1921
01:20:07,553 --> 01:20:08,844
"they're being odd."
1922
01:20:08,930 --> 01:20:10,763
- I went into a--
excuse me.
1923
01:20:10,807 --> 01:20:14,433
I went into a mexican...
Uh, restaurant
1924
01:20:14,477 --> 01:20:17,186
with my youngest daughter,
who's, uh...
1925
01:20:17,271 --> 01:20:20,105
- It was heartbreaking
1926
01:20:20,191 --> 01:20:22,483
because that was not
the man I knew.
1927
01:20:22,527 --> 01:20:24,735
There was obvious problem he was having.
1928
01:20:24,821 --> 01:20:26,904
- I just think that...
1929
01:20:26,989 --> 01:20:30,783
- It was like the moment the
world knew something was wrong.
1930
01:20:30,868 --> 01:20:33,160
♪ ♪
1931
01:20:33,204 --> 01:20:36,956
and a few days later, roddy was home.
1932
01:20:37,041 --> 01:20:38,833
He was very tired that night.
1933
01:20:38,918 --> 01:20:40,751
We were gonna go see
his doctor the next day.
1934
01:20:40,837 --> 01:20:42,837
We decided to do that.
1935
01:20:42,922 --> 01:20:44,797
And we went to bed
1936
01:20:44,882 --> 01:20:47,007
and he passed away
in his sleep.
1937
01:20:47,051 --> 01:20:48,425
♪ ♪
1938
01:20:48,511 --> 01:20:50,302
- his heart failed.
1939
01:20:50,388 --> 01:20:53,180
As far as the specifics as to what was causing it,
1940
01:20:53,266 --> 01:20:56,684
it probably was a combination
of his entire life.
1941
01:20:56,727 --> 01:20:58,519
♪ ♪
1942
01:20:58,563 --> 01:21:02,523
- I am so grateful that he was home because,
1943
01:21:02,608 --> 01:21:04,859
even at that age,
1944
01:21:04,902 --> 01:21:08,946
so many days of the year,
he was gone away from home,
1945
01:21:09,031 --> 01:21:10,698
and he could have been alone.
1946
01:21:10,783 --> 01:21:12,867
Sorry.
[clears throat]
1947
01:21:12,910 --> 01:21:16,161
and I'm just very grateful
that he was home with me
1948
01:21:16,247 --> 01:21:17,580
when he passed.
1949
01:21:17,665 --> 01:21:22,167
♪ ♪
1950
01:21:22,253 --> 01:21:25,713
- you know, the news came that he passed away, you know.
1951
01:21:25,756 --> 01:21:28,674
I felt like I got shot in the
chest with a cannon, you know.
1952
01:21:28,759 --> 01:21:32,845
And it kind of like knocked me
off track for a couple days,
1953
01:21:32,930 --> 01:21:35,848
and now all of a sudden,
I get this voice message.
1954
01:21:35,892 --> 01:21:37,182
It was really weird
because either
1955
01:21:37,268 --> 01:21:38,851
my phone was messed up,
1956
01:21:38,936 --> 01:21:41,520
sometimes you'll get
a text message at that night
1957
01:21:41,606 --> 01:21:42,897
when it was sent to you
in the morning.
1958
01:21:52,825 --> 01:21:54,617
- That really spooked me out.
1959
01:21:54,702 --> 01:21:57,369
Like, hmm, alien thing, you
know, like "close encounters."
1960
01:21:57,455 --> 01:22:00,748
it was just crazy to get
a voice message from somebody
1961
01:22:00,833 --> 01:22:03,250
after they passed away,
and especially for him to say,
1962
01:22:03,294 --> 01:22:05,377
"I'm loving you and walking
with jesus, my brother.
1963
01:22:05,463 --> 01:22:07,087
Just loving you
and walking with jesus."
1964
01:22:07,173 --> 01:22:09,340
I was like, "wow."
1965
01:22:09,425 --> 01:22:11,258
totally screwed me up.
1966
01:22:13,846 --> 01:22:16,931
[wistful music]
1967
01:22:16,974 --> 01:22:23,270
♪ ♪
1968
01:22:23,314 --> 01:22:24,688
- all right, guys.
1969
01:22:27,485 --> 01:22:30,444
[overlapping chatter]
1970
01:22:32,031 --> 01:22:33,030
- it is.
1971
01:22:43,167 --> 01:22:45,000
- Hey, nice to see you again.
How are you?
1972
01:22:45,086 --> 01:22:46,919
- So good to see you.
Oh, my god.
1973
01:22:47,004 --> 01:22:48,504
When I first started doing mma,
1974
01:22:48,589 --> 01:22:50,297
I was trying to think
of a fight name,
1975
01:22:50,383 --> 01:22:52,299
and, of course, the first thing
that everybody thought of
1976
01:22:52,343 --> 01:22:53,926
was like, "what do you think
as a fight name?"
1977
01:22:53,970 --> 01:22:55,469
"well, rowdy.
Rowdy ronda rousey."
1978
01:22:55,554 --> 01:22:56,762
like, I know, but it's like
rowdy roddy piper.
1979
01:22:56,847 --> 01:22:58,597
And he has that.
I don't want to steal it
1980
01:22:58,683 --> 01:23:03,227
until I happened to see the original rowdy one
1981
01:23:03,312 --> 01:23:05,771
and got his blessing
1982
01:23:05,856 --> 01:23:07,314
and, yeah, he was very
sweet about it.
1983
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,566
He was like, "yeah, sure, kid.
No problem.
1984
01:23:09,652 --> 01:23:11,276
Better do the name proud."
or something like that.
1985
01:23:11,362 --> 01:23:12,945
I don't know.
[laughs]
1986
01:23:13,030 --> 01:23:14,655
- and then kitty, my mom.
- Hi.
1987
01:23:14,699 --> 01:23:21,495
♪ ♪
1988
01:23:35,219 --> 01:23:36,510
no one can do it better.
1989
01:23:36,554 --> 01:23:37,803
- [laughs]
thank you so much.
1990
01:23:37,888 --> 01:23:39,054
Thank you so, so much.
1991
01:23:39,140 --> 01:23:42,474
- He was a loner and a wolf,
1992
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,520
and he was often
misunderstood.
1993
01:23:47,982 --> 01:23:50,607
- I was so wild,
1994
01:23:50,693 --> 01:23:53,027
scary wild.
1995
01:23:53,070 --> 01:23:56,905
- But he was always 100% in your face.
1996
01:23:56,991 --> 01:24:01,035
- You do not throw rocks at
a man who's got a machine gun!
1997
01:24:01,078 --> 01:24:04,038
- This is what you get. I am who I am.
1998
01:24:04,081 --> 01:24:06,832
- What you got here
is all man.
1999
01:24:06,876 --> 01:24:09,168
- He didn't change for anybody.
2000
01:24:09,253 --> 01:24:12,004
- We are the most popular
wrestlers in the entire world.
2001
01:24:12,089 --> 01:24:14,882
- I haven't found anyone that has what roddy had.
2002
01:24:16,260 --> 01:24:17,801
Loved life.
2003
01:24:17,887 --> 01:24:19,094
Lived it to its max.
2004
01:24:19,180 --> 01:24:20,679
- Ya-ha!
2005
01:24:20,765 --> 01:24:23,557
- He came in spitting fire
and crapping thunder.
2006
01:24:24,602 --> 01:24:26,685
- I'm not afraid
of nobody--
2007
01:24:26,771 --> 01:24:28,854
♪ ♪
2008
01:24:28,939 --> 01:24:30,731
- I am the legend killer.
2009
01:24:30,775 --> 01:24:33,233
- He started with so little and ended with so much
2010
01:24:33,277 --> 01:24:36,195
and had every hardship thrown at him along the way.
2011
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:37,946
That's my dad's legacy.
2012
01:24:38,032 --> 01:24:39,948
I hope it is one
that gives people strength.
2013
01:24:40,034 --> 01:24:43,744
- I still hear new stories about him all the time,
2014
01:24:43,829 --> 01:24:46,955
and I realize how lucky I am to have a father
2015
01:24:47,041 --> 01:24:50,084
that has impacted
so many people in the world.
2016
01:24:50,127 --> 01:24:53,045
♪ ♪
2017
01:24:53,130 --> 01:24:55,631
- best part of my job:
2018
01:24:55,716 --> 01:24:59,551
When you come with your daddy and your mommy,
2019
01:24:59,637 --> 01:25:00,761
and you're all excited and...
2020
01:25:03,891 --> 01:25:07,601
We can put a smile on a little boy's face.
2021
01:25:09,647 --> 01:25:11,063
That's the greatest reward
2022
01:25:11,148 --> 01:25:12,898
a guy can ever have in his life.
2023
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:16,110
Thank you.
2024
01:25:16,153 --> 01:25:17,569
I love you too.
2025
01:25:17,655 --> 01:25:22,116
♪ ♪
2026
01:25:22,201 --> 01:25:24,284
- I have come here
2027
01:25:24,370 --> 01:25:25,953
to chew bubble gum.
2028
01:25:26,038 --> 01:25:29,957
- I have come here to chew
bubble gum and kick butt.
2029
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,417
- And I'm all
out of bubble gum.
2030
01:25:32,503 --> 01:25:34,253
- And I'm all out
of bubble gum.
2031
01:25:34,338 --> 01:25:36,797
- Just when they think
they have the answers...
2032
01:25:36,841 --> 01:25:39,258
- Just when they think they
have the answers...
2033
01:25:39,343 --> 01:25:41,135
- I change the questions.
2034
01:25:41,178 --> 01:25:42,970
- I change
the questions.
2035
01:25:43,055 --> 01:25:45,347
- You do not throw rocks...
2036
01:25:45,432 --> 01:25:47,641
- You do not throw rocks
2037
01:25:47,726 --> 01:25:50,811
at a man with a machine gun,
brother.
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