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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,656 --> 00:00:04,280 [gentle piano music] 2 00:00:06,178 --> 00:00:08,180 - I was on duty that day 3 00:00:08,215 --> 00:00:11,804 when our detective chief inspector called me 4 00:00:11,839 --> 00:00:14,807 to accompany him to a house. 5 00:00:14,842 --> 00:00:17,051 At that moment, I didn't know why. 6 00:00:17,086 --> 00:00:19,157 It was about a five-minute drive 7 00:00:19,191 --> 00:00:23,023 from the police station to his bedsit room. 8 00:00:23,057 --> 00:00:26,164 [gentle piano music] 9 00:00:27,303 --> 00:00:30,168 - The walls were covered in pictures of Hitler, 10 00:00:30,202 --> 00:00:31,893 Nazis, and swastikas. 11 00:00:31,928 --> 00:00:33,999 We found poisons in there. 12 00:00:34,034 --> 00:00:38,866 And he had jars with wasps and bees and substances, 13 00:00:38,900 --> 00:00:43,319 which were, you know, he'd caught in a macabre situation. 14 00:00:43,353 --> 00:00:48,289 โ™ช There's something sweet about death โ™ช 15 00:00:49,980 --> 00:00:54,778 - Under the bed, some foolscap paper, which, on reading it, 16 00:00:54,813 --> 00:00:58,713 they soon realised that it was a diary of events. 17 00:00:58,748 --> 00:01:01,268 [gentle piano music] 18 00:01:01,302 --> 00:01:02,579 - [VO] November 4th. 19 00:01:02,614 --> 00:01:05,099 "F" was ill over the weekend suffering from vomiting, 20 00:01:05,134 --> 00:01:08,102 abdominal pains, diarrhoea, et cetera. 21 00:01:08,137 --> 00:01:10,553 The doctor has said that the illness is due to a virus, 22 00:01:10,587 --> 00:01:13,763 and that there is quite a lot going around. 23 00:01:13,797 --> 00:01:16,076 Is somebody setting up in competition to me? 24 00:01:18,388 --> 00:01:22,289 โ™ช Nobody wants 25 00:01:22,323 --> 00:01:25,292 โ™ช To talk about it 26 00:01:26,776 --> 00:01:28,191 - [VO] November 10th. 27 00:01:28,226 --> 00:01:30,952 "F" must have a phenomenal tolerance to the compound, 28 00:01:30,987 --> 00:01:34,335 for he is still obstinately alive. 29 00:01:34,370 --> 00:01:36,889 If he survives the third week, he will live. 30 00:01:36,924 --> 00:01:39,927 This would be inconvenient. 31 00:01:39,961 --> 00:01:44,069 โ™ช Bow your head and show respect โ™ช 32 00:01:44,104 --> 00:01:48,798 โ™ช You know it's a gift, but it must be said โ™ช 33 00:01:50,282 --> 00:01:51,559 - [VO] November 16th. 34 00:01:51,594 --> 00:01:53,561 "F" is now seriously ill. 35 00:01:53,596 --> 00:01:56,046 It is likely that he will die within a few days. 36 00:01:56,081 --> 00:01:58,428 It will be a merciful release for him. 37 00:01:58,463 --> 00:01:59,843 It is better that he should die. 38 00:01:59,878 --> 00:02:02,329 From my point of view, his death will be a relief. 39 00:02:02,363 --> 00:02:04,020 It will remove one casualty 40 00:02:04,054 --> 00:02:06,781 from what is becoming a crowded field of battle. 41 00:02:06,816 --> 00:02:09,957 [gentle piano music] 42 00:02:11,096 --> 00:02:13,512 - When the police got hold of Graham's diary, 43 00:02:13,547 --> 00:02:15,273 there must have been a light bulb moment 44 00:02:15,307 --> 00:02:16,550 when they were reading through this thing 45 00:02:16,584 --> 00:02:20,209 and realised that "F" is Fred Biggs. 46 00:02:21,071 --> 00:02:22,728 Fred Biggs is dead. 47 00:02:22,763 --> 00:02:25,075 They must have thought, "We've got him. 48 00:02:25,110 --> 00:02:27,768 Graham Young is a murderer." 49 00:02:27,802 --> 00:02:29,183 - [VO] If I were to be detected, 50 00:02:29,218 --> 00:02:31,081 I should have to follow the maxim, 51 00:02:31,116 --> 00:02:34,499 those who live by the sword, die by the sword. 52 00:02:35,569 --> 00:02:40,470 โ™ช There's something sweet about death โ™ช 53 00:02:41,126 --> 00:02:43,922 [gentle piano music] 54 00:02:50,549 --> 00:02:52,033 - [VO] Dear sir, 55 00:02:52,068 --> 00:02:55,002 for some considerable time prior to my admittance here, 56 00:02:55,036 --> 00:02:59,386 I was an ardent student of both pharmacology and toxicology. 57 00:02:59,420 --> 00:03:02,699 [delicate music] 58 00:03:02,734 --> 00:03:06,220 However, due to the stresses and strains placed on me 59 00:03:06,255 --> 00:03:09,154 by my almost incessant studying of these subjects, 60 00:03:09,189 --> 00:03:11,363 I became the victim of a nervous breakdown, 61 00:03:11,398 --> 00:03:14,194 which necessitated my hospitalisation here. 62 00:03:15,609 --> 00:03:17,231 Now, however, that my discharge is 63 00:03:17,266 --> 00:03:18,853 in the foreseeable future, 64 00:03:18,888 --> 00:03:21,339 I would be greatly obliged if you would inform me 65 00:03:21,373 --> 00:03:23,237 of certain obstacles to what was 66 00:03:23,272 --> 00:03:25,170 to have been my intended career, 67 00:03:25,205 --> 00:03:27,241 as the offence with which I was initially charged 68 00:03:27,276 --> 00:03:30,727 was involving the misuse of certain highly toxic drugs. 69 00:03:30,762 --> 00:03:33,040 Am I liable to be refused university entrance 70 00:03:33,074 --> 00:03:34,662 in pharmacology? 71 00:03:34,697 --> 00:03:36,423 Hoping to hear from you soon. 72 00:03:36,457 --> 00:03:38,666 I remain yours faithfully, 73 00:03:38,701 --> 00:03:41,013 Graham Frederick Young. 74 00:03:41,048 --> 00:03:43,671 [gentle music] 75 00:03:48,952 --> 00:03:53,094 - John Hadlands was a very interesting organisation. 76 00:03:53,129 --> 00:03:56,788 It was essentially a family company, originally. 77 00:03:56,822 --> 00:04:00,240 We were about 70 people when I first arrived. 78 00:04:00,274 --> 00:04:02,552 It really specialised on producing 79 00:04:02,587 --> 00:04:06,487 and selling equipment for the photo analysis 80 00:04:06,522 --> 00:04:11,423 of mainly scientific and technical film work. 81 00:04:11,458 --> 00:04:15,151 A role opportunity had come up for the trainee storeman. 82 00:04:15,185 --> 00:04:17,774 It was proposed that we might be interested in him 83 00:04:17,809 --> 00:04:19,914 because he was intelligent, 84 00:04:21,053 --> 00:04:24,885 and that he just needed an opportunity. 85 00:04:24,919 --> 00:04:29,993 He'd come from a rehabilitation and training centre. 86 00:04:31,063 --> 00:04:32,720 The reasoning as we understood it was 87 00:04:32,755 --> 00:04:36,931 that he'd had some sort of mental problems in the past, 88 00:04:37,794 --> 00:04:39,934 and that he needed a chance. 89 00:04:39,969 --> 00:04:41,246 - [Narrator] The day before Young arrived 90 00:04:41,281 --> 00:04:42,730 for an interview with the firm, 91 00:04:42,765 --> 00:04:44,456 the training centre wrote to Hadlands 92 00:04:44,491 --> 00:04:46,769 about the potential new employee. 93 00:04:46,803 --> 00:04:50,635 - The placing report on Graham Young said this: 94 00:04:52,188 --> 00:04:56,572 This man has an above-average intelligence. 95 00:04:56,606 --> 00:04:59,402 He is very conscientious in his work, 96 00:04:59,437 --> 00:05:02,198 able to work to instructions given to him, 97 00:05:02,232 --> 00:05:04,545 as well as on his own initiative. 98 00:05:04,580 --> 00:05:07,479 - He was interviewed by Mr. Foster, I believe. 99 00:05:07,514 --> 00:05:11,656 On his application form, there was a nine-year gap. 100 00:05:11,690 --> 00:05:15,280 He put this down to psychological problems, 101 00:05:15,315 --> 00:05:19,008 having lost his mother at a young age. 102 00:05:19,042 --> 00:05:21,735 - [VO] My mother died in very tragic circumstances 103 00:05:21,769 --> 00:05:23,771 whilst I was in my late teens. 104 00:05:23,806 --> 00:05:25,946 This caused me to have a mental breakdown, 105 00:05:25,980 --> 00:05:28,397 and I've been in hospital ever since. 106 00:05:28,431 --> 00:05:32,470 - He didn't expand on his psychological state. 107 00:05:32,504 --> 00:05:35,265 Mr. Foster still wasn't too happy, 108 00:05:35,300 --> 00:05:38,855 so he asked for the training centre at Slough 109 00:05:38,890 --> 00:05:41,375 to confirm what he had said. 110 00:05:41,410 --> 00:05:42,790 And they did, 111 00:05:42,825 --> 00:05:46,346 and they sent him a letter basically giving him 112 00:05:46,380 --> 00:05:48,831 a clear bill of health. 113 00:05:48,865 --> 00:05:53,939 - This man has suffered a deepgoing personality disorder, 114 00:05:55,009 --> 00:05:57,495 which necessitated his hospitalisation 115 00:05:57,529 --> 00:06:00,394 throughout the whole of his adolescence. 116 00:06:00,429 --> 00:06:05,399 He has, however, made an extremely full recovery, 117 00:06:06,469 --> 00:06:08,885 and is now entirely fit for discharge. 118 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,544 - [VO] Dear Mr. Foster, I'm pleased to accept your offer 119 00:06:12,579 --> 00:06:14,753 and shall therefore report for work on Monday, 120 00:06:14,788 --> 00:06:17,307 May the 10th, at 8:30 AM. 121 00:06:18,654 --> 00:06:21,795 May I take the opportunity to express my gratitude to you 122 00:06:21,829 --> 00:06:24,107 for offering me this position? 123 00:06:24,142 --> 00:06:25,971 I shall endeavour to justify your faith in me 124 00:06:26,006 --> 00:06:28,491 by performing my duties in an efficient 125 00:06:28,526 --> 00:06:30,079 and competent manner. 126 00:06:32,219 --> 00:06:34,877 Until Monday week, I am yours faithfully, 127 00:06:36,637 --> 00:06:37,776 Graham Young. 128 00:06:40,503 --> 00:06:43,506 - Graham joined in May 1971. 129 00:06:43,541 --> 00:06:47,372 He came in as a trainee storeman, 130 00:06:47,407 --> 00:06:51,272 and that was when I first came across him. 131 00:06:51,307 --> 00:06:55,311 His function would've been to assist in the finding of parts 132 00:06:55,345 --> 00:06:57,796 for various items in the stores. 133 00:06:57,831 --> 00:07:01,455 He would've also been involved in the packing 134 00:07:01,490 --> 00:07:05,632 and dispatch of equipment once it was finished. 135 00:07:05,666 --> 00:07:09,463 He was always tidy and well-dressed for most of the time 136 00:07:09,498 --> 00:07:11,085 and kept himself to himself, 137 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,158 but he came across as being a bit of an oddball. 138 00:07:15,193 --> 00:07:16,988 I knew that there were occasions 139 00:07:17,022 --> 00:07:21,682 when if you got him on particular subjects, 140 00:07:21,717 --> 00:07:24,271 he could be very verbal, and in doing that, 141 00:07:24,305 --> 00:07:28,551 he could articulate himself very well indeed. 142 00:07:28,586 --> 00:07:31,934 [Hitler speaking in German] 143 00:07:31,968 --> 00:07:35,006 - He brought in books on Hitler 144 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:36,939 and would extol the virtues of Hitler 145 00:07:36,973 --> 00:07:39,873 in no uncertain terms if you got him on the subject. 146 00:07:41,012 --> 00:07:44,705 This obviously raised considerable eyebrows 147 00:07:44,740 --> 00:07:46,086 because there were one or two people 148 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,503 who'd got very distinguished military service 149 00:07:49,538 --> 00:07:52,506 and had a very different view of that. 150 00:07:52,541 --> 00:07:55,716 [sombre piano music] 151 00:07:55,751 --> 00:07:57,304 - It was a very nice, 152 00:07:57,338 --> 00:08:01,481 family-orientated factory to work, from all accounts. 153 00:08:01,515 --> 00:08:04,656 All the employees were given a midday meal, 154 00:08:04,691 --> 00:08:08,660 and they had tea at 11 o'clock in the morning 155 00:08:08,695 --> 00:08:11,525 and three o'clock in the afternoon, 156 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,321 brought around by a tea lady, Mrs. Bartlett. 157 00:08:15,874 --> 00:08:17,531 [tense music] 158 00:08:17,566 --> 00:08:19,429 - There was an outbreak of illness, 159 00:08:19,464 --> 00:08:21,604 and nobody thought anything of it. 160 00:08:21,639 --> 00:08:24,365 Other than that it was probably some sort of flu thing. 161 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,748 I happened to be in the main administration building one day 162 00:08:27,783 --> 00:08:30,958 and looked out, and saw somebody come out 163 00:08:30,993 --> 00:08:34,341 through the storeroom doors very, very fast 164 00:08:34,375 --> 00:08:38,966 and then be very violently ill on the grass outside. 165 00:08:39,001 --> 00:08:42,038 It was traumatic, to say the least. 166 00:08:42,073 --> 00:08:44,351 Nobody was clear what it was 167 00:08:44,385 --> 00:08:47,388 other than that it seemed to be spreading. 168 00:08:47,423 --> 00:08:51,565 It started to be a cause for concern and puzzlement too. 169 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,154 [tense music] 170 00:08:58,710 --> 00:09:01,264 - Some of them suffered hallucinations, 171 00:09:01,299 --> 00:09:04,233 palpitations, stomach sickness. 172 00:09:04,267 --> 00:09:06,476 Their hair started to fall out. 173 00:09:06,511 --> 00:09:09,859 The rash of illnesses that occurred there prompted a lot 174 00:09:09,894 --> 00:09:13,932 of the employees to believe that the place was jinxed, 175 00:09:13,967 --> 00:09:16,486 and that something horrendous was going on. 176 00:09:16,521 --> 00:09:18,972 But they didn't quite know what. 177 00:09:19,006 --> 00:09:21,699 And many of them actually started to hand 178 00:09:21,733 --> 00:09:24,080 in their resignations as a result of it. 179 00:09:25,599 --> 00:09:30,397 - A lot of people were complaining of violent headaches, 180 00:09:31,467 --> 00:09:35,851 sickness, a lot of pain, tummy pains. 181 00:09:35,885 --> 00:09:40,131 There was a suggestion that it was a bug in the water, 182 00:09:40,165 --> 00:09:42,340 and hence they named it the Bovington bug. 183 00:09:42,374 --> 00:09:46,033 [synth music] 184 00:09:50,141 --> 00:09:53,109 - There was also a suspicion that perhaps it was something 185 00:09:53,144 --> 00:09:57,631 to do with some leftover chemicals from the war. 186 00:09:57,666 --> 00:10:00,013 Maybe even heavy metal poisoning. 187 00:10:00,047 --> 00:10:01,739 But that seems to have been discounted 188 00:10:01,773 --> 00:10:05,397 in favour of the theory that it was a bug, a virus. 189 00:10:05,432 --> 00:10:07,883 But it turned out the virus was Graham Young. 190 00:10:07,917 --> 00:10:11,611 [synth Music Continues] 191 00:10:14,303 --> 00:10:17,202 - Bob Egle was the first one who became so serious, 192 00:10:17,237 --> 00:10:18,894 he was put into hospital. 193 00:10:18,928 --> 00:10:21,551 That was a worry, obviously. 194 00:10:21,586 --> 00:10:24,313 - He was working at the time as a storeman. 195 00:10:24,347 --> 00:10:28,282 He'd been married to his wife for many, many years. 196 00:10:28,317 --> 00:10:30,630 He was coming up to his retirement. 197 00:10:32,183 --> 00:10:33,667 - Bob was a lovely man. 198 00:10:33,702 --> 00:10:36,739 He'd had a very strong military background. 199 00:10:36,774 --> 00:10:38,327 He was a Dunkirk hero. 200 00:10:38,361 --> 00:10:41,226 He was quiet, unassuming, 201 00:10:42,296 --> 00:10:44,747 very pleasant, and very helpful. 202 00:10:44,782 --> 00:10:46,991 [gentle piano music] 203 00:10:47,025 --> 00:10:51,581 When Bob died, there was a terrible feeling of sadness. 204 00:10:51,616 --> 00:10:54,205 Nobody knew the real reasons why. 205 00:10:54,239 --> 00:10:57,829 What we could go on was the basis that it was believed 206 00:10:57,864 --> 00:11:01,661 that it was some sort of virus known as the Bovington bug. 207 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,976 - Young volunteered to represent the workforce 208 00:11:07,011 --> 00:11:11,187 at the cremation in company of Mr. Foster. 209 00:11:11,222 --> 00:11:14,466 - Graham expressed disquiet. 210 00:11:14,501 --> 00:11:18,712 He said it was a pity that Bob Egle, a Dunkirk veteran, 211 00:11:18,747 --> 00:11:20,887 who'd been through the horrors of war, 212 00:11:21,750 --> 00:11:23,855 should die in the way he did. 213 00:11:25,063 --> 00:11:27,859 - There were other people who were being ill 214 00:11:27,894 --> 00:11:29,378 for one reason or another, 215 00:11:29,412 --> 00:11:32,277 and there was very severe pain suffered 216 00:11:32,312 --> 00:11:33,762 by one or two of them. 217 00:11:33,796 --> 00:11:37,420 And it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't think, 218 00:11:37,455 --> 00:11:38,870 "I'd be better off dead." 219 00:11:38,905 --> 00:11:42,460 [gentle piano music] 220 00:11:42,494 --> 00:11:46,153 - Fred Biggs was taken ill soon afterwards, 221 00:11:46,188 --> 00:11:51,158 and he also suffered dreadful symptoms. 222 00:11:52,332 --> 00:11:54,714 - Bob Egle died in the summer of 1971, 223 00:11:54,748 --> 00:11:57,924 and then Fred Biggs died in November. 224 00:11:57,958 --> 00:12:01,548 And now members of the Hadlands workforce 225 00:12:01,582 --> 00:12:03,308 were getting very fearful. 226 00:12:04,206 --> 00:12:06,622 - The two men who died, 227 00:12:06,656 --> 00:12:09,314 they were said to be dying from the fingertips 228 00:12:09,349 --> 00:12:11,731 and the toes upwards. 229 00:12:11,765 --> 00:12:16,805 They went very numb in their fingers and toes and legs, 230 00:12:17,909 --> 00:12:20,947 had dreadful cramps and pains in their head. 231 00:12:20,981 --> 00:12:25,572 โ™ช There's something sweet about death โ™ช 232 00:12:28,230 --> 00:12:30,646 [sombre piano music] 233 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:33,580 - We were called into a meeting. 234 00:12:33,614 --> 00:12:36,997 It was reiterated that Fred had died. 235 00:12:38,723 --> 00:12:41,795 - The doctor who worked with the company told them 236 00:12:41,830 --> 00:12:44,246 that they were working through the options, 237 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,835 what could be causing the series of illnesses 238 00:12:46,869 --> 00:12:48,146 and now two deaths. 239 00:12:48,181 --> 00:12:50,839 And at that point, Graham speaks up 240 00:12:50,873 --> 00:12:52,737 and starts remonstrating with him 241 00:12:52,772 --> 00:12:55,015 and asking a lot of questions. 242 00:12:55,050 --> 00:12:57,190 What are the similarities between the deaths 243 00:12:57,224 --> 00:12:58,916 of these two individuals? 244 00:12:58,950 --> 00:13:01,746 Could the men who've been very ill be suffering 245 00:13:01,781 --> 00:13:03,161 from thallium poisoning? 246 00:13:04,231 --> 00:13:06,268 - The meeting concluded, 247 00:13:07,372 --> 00:13:10,928 and the rest of us went off for the weekend. 248 00:13:10,962 --> 00:13:14,828 In the meantime, the doctor had obviously gone 249 00:13:14,863 --> 00:13:17,072 and talked to the management, 250 00:13:17,106 --> 00:13:18,521 and he said, "Who is this man?" 251 00:13:18,556 --> 00:13:22,077 They explained that he was a trainee storeman. 252 00:13:22,111 --> 00:13:23,733 The doctor was somewhat surprised. 253 00:13:23,768 --> 00:13:27,392 Trainee storeman and he's talking those sort of terms? 254 00:13:27,427 --> 00:13:30,602 - The company doctor and John Hadland, the company director, 255 00:13:30,637 --> 00:13:32,570 have a conversation and begin to realise 256 00:13:32,604 --> 00:13:35,193 that they need to know more about Graham. 257 00:13:35,228 --> 00:13:37,161 Who is he? And where does he come from? 258 00:13:37,195 --> 00:13:40,647 So they call him into the office, and they ask him. 259 00:13:40,681 --> 00:13:41,855 And they're so demanding 260 00:13:41,890 --> 00:13:44,893 that eventually he drops a bombshell. 261 00:13:44,927 --> 00:13:48,828 - [VO] Broadmoor. I was in Broadmoor. 262 00:13:48,862 --> 00:13:51,589 [ominous music] 263 00:13:54,903 --> 00:13:59,459 - In November 1971, 264 00:13:59,493 --> 00:14:02,911 and it was probably just going five o'clock 265 00:14:02,945 --> 00:14:07,363 when Detective Constable John Preston took a phone call. 266 00:14:07,398 --> 00:14:09,849 He put his hand over the phone and said, 267 00:14:09,883 --> 00:14:14,612 "I've got a man here from John Hadlands in Bovington." 268 00:14:14,646 --> 00:14:18,685 That's what started the whole inquiry off. 269 00:14:18,719 --> 00:14:22,792 That evening, Detective Chief Inspector John Kirkpatrick 270 00:14:22,827 --> 00:14:26,969 and Detective Sergeant Robert Livingston met 271 00:14:27,004 --> 00:14:29,972 with Mr. Hadland and Mr. Foster 272 00:14:30,007 --> 00:14:32,733 at Hemel Hempstead Police Station. 273 00:14:32,768 --> 00:14:36,634 And having heard their story of the two deaths 274 00:14:36,668 --> 00:14:39,982 and all the illnesses in between, 275 00:14:40,017 --> 00:14:44,400 it was quite obviously this was a murder case. 276 00:14:44,435 --> 00:14:46,264 [gentle piano music] 277 00:14:46,299 --> 00:14:50,786 - On the Monday, I turned up for work a little bit late. 278 00:14:50,820 --> 00:14:52,857 I was pulled in, and there were another three or four people 279 00:14:52,892 --> 00:14:55,722 in the room, and it was explained to us 280 00:14:55,756 --> 00:14:58,449 that somebody had been arrested. 281 00:14:58,483 --> 00:15:00,589 That's one of those moments 282 00:15:00,623 --> 00:15:05,318 when people's faces just go white. 283 00:15:05,352 --> 00:15:08,700 The realisation that actually this is a deliberate thing 284 00:15:08,735 --> 00:15:13,119 that's been going on, not something that's just a virus. 285 00:15:13,153 --> 00:15:15,397 We weren't told who it was. 286 00:15:15,431 --> 00:15:18,918 Obviously, went out, talked to a few people. Who's missing? 287 00:15:18,952 --> 00:15:21,990 It was fairly quickly concluded that it was Graham Young. 288 00:15:22,024 --> 00:15:24,716 [sombre music] 289 00:15:26,649 --> 00:15:31,275 โ™ช All the suffering will all boil down โ™ช 290 00:15:34,588 --> 00:15:37,453 - Graham was born and grew up in Neasden, 291 00:15:37,488 --> 00:15:40,940 which is a fairly nondescript London suburb. 292 00:15:42,527 --> 00:15:47,256 โ™ช All the suffering will burn this time โ™ช 293 00:15:49,741 --> 00:15:51,019 [gentle music] 294 00:15:51,053 --> 00:15:53,711 - Well, his mother died when he was very young, 295 00:15:53,745 --> 00:15:56,403 and I think that probably had an impact 296 00:15:56,438 --> 00:15:57,473 on him psychologically. 297 00:15:57,508 --> 00:16:00,166 [gentle music] 298 00:16:04,446 --> 00:16:06,966 - Graham's mother died when he was very young, 299 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,278 and I think this has had a massive impact on his life. 300 00:16:09,313 --> 00:16:11,694 I mean, anyone who loses a mother at a very young age 301 00:16:11,729 --> 00:16:13,765 is going to suffer from trauma that they're gonna carry 302 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,284 with them throughout the rest of their life. 303 00:16:15,319 --> 00:16:17,907 [gentle music] 304 00:16:17,942 --> 00:16:20,013 - When we look at Graham Young's actual childhood, 305 00:16:20,048 --> 00:16:22,015 to me, it seems quite fragmented, 306 00:16:22,050 --> 00:16:23,879 and I think he was quite displaced. 307 00:16:25,398 --> 00:16:28,366 Graham went off to live with his aunt and uncle, 308 00:16:28,401 --> 00:16:30,886 whereas his sister went off to live with their grandmother. 309 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:32,681 [gentle music] 310 00:16:32,715 --> 00:16:35,270 - It's understandable that Graham at that time he was living 311 00:16:35,304 --> 00:16:37,030 with his aunt felt quite pushed out 312 00:16:37,065 --> 00:16:39,308 from that core family unit. 313 00:16:39,343 --> 00:16:41,345 He felt like he was an outsider from the beginning. 314 00:16:41,379 --> 00:16:44,727 [gentle music] 315 00:16:44,762 --> 00:16:47,420 - This could have psychologically scarred him 316 00:16:47,454 --> 00:16:50,043 because he might have had this core belief 317 00:16:50,078 --> 00:16:51,527 that he wasn't wanted. 318 00:16:51,562 --> 00:16:53,288 And sometimes, children, when they're that young, 319 00:16:53,322 --> 00:16:55,048 they can actually blame themselves. 320 00:16:55,083 --> 00:16:58,776 We know that Graham would wet the bed until the age of 10. 321 00:16:58,810 --> 00:17:01,330 Graham also used to rock himself to sleep 322 00:17:01,365 --> 00:17:03,470 to the point that he made so much noise 323 00:17:03,505 --> 00:17:04,885 that the neighbours even complained. 324 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,785 [gentle music] 325 00:17:07,819 --> 00:17:12,514 - Fred, the father, married again, a woman called Molly, 326 00:17:12,548 --> 00:17:15,310 so, Young now had a stepmother. 327 00:17:15,344 --> 00:17:18,278 As the years went on, it was quite apparent 328 00:17:18,313 --> 00:17:21,074 that the two didn't get on that well. 329 00:17:21,109 --> 00:17:22,351 - Initially, his relationship 330 00:17:22,386 --> 00:17:24,595 with his stepmother was apparently very good. 331 00:17:24,629 --> 00:17:28,323 But it quickly became, once he got a little bit older, 332 00:17:28,357 --> 00:17:31,429 also a rather fraught relationship. 333 00:17:31,464 --> 00:17:32,706 And he complained to friends 334 00:17:32,741 --> 00:17:34,363 that she treated him very badly, 335 00:17:34,398 --> 00:17:36,779 destroyed his belongings without good reason, 336 00:17:36,814 --> 00:17:39,541 locked him out of the house to prevent him from snacking 337 00:17:39,575 --> 00:17:41,922 whilst his father was out at work. 338 00:17:41,957 --> 00:17:45,754 - He was noticeably a very inward-looking character. 339 00:17:45,788 --> 00:17:48,377 He was an introvert. 340 00:17:48,412 --> 00:17:51,311 He was capable of being humorous, 341 00:17:51,346 --> 00:17:55,177 but his general demeanour at school was a person 342 00:17:55,212 --> 00:17:58,767 who was sullen, morose, very much in his own world. 343 00:17:58,801 --> 00:18:02,081 [ominous music] 344 00:18:02,115 --> 00:18:03,634 - It was at secondary school 345 00:18:03,668 --> 00:18:06,602 that I became friendly with Graham Young. 346 00:18:06,637 --> 00:18:08,501 We had a little bunch of friends. 347 00:18:08,535 --> 00:18:12,677 We used to stand smoking on the corner at school. 348 00:18:12,712 --> 00:18:16,785 And we all gelled as we were all a bit like that. 349 00:18:16,819 --> 00:18:19,650 A bit different to the other kids. 350 00:18:19,684 --> 00:18:22,135 [tense music] 351 00:18:22,170 --> 00:18:26,139 He started wearing rather peculiar clothes. 352 00:18:28,314 --> 00:18:31,524 He used to start coming in in a black overcoat. 353 00:18:31,558 --> 00:18:36,287 That progressed to black leather gloves and then boots. 354 00:18:36,322 --> 00:18:39,773 It became apparent that it was actually Hitler 355 00:18:39,808 --> 00:18:41,982 that he was obsessed with. 356 00:18:42,949 --> 00:18:45,676 - He idolised Adolf Hitler. 357 00:18:45,710 --> 00:18:48,299 He was very much into the Nazi cult. 358 00:18:48,334 --> 00:18:49,818 When he was old enough, 359 00:18:49,852 --> 00:18:52,786 he actually wore a Hitler-style moustache. 360 00:18:54,443 --> 00:18:56,307 - He used to carry around in his pockets 361 00:18:56,342 --> 00:18:58,930 in his overcoat "Mein Kampf," 362 00:18:58,965 --> 00:19:01,070 which was obviously rather a sinister thing. 363 00:19:01,105 --> 00:19:03,211 But I didn't know what it was at time. 364 00:19:04,350 --> 00:19:07,422 - Graham's selection of reading material really 365 00:19:07,456 --> 00:19:10,321 is an insight into his soul. 366 00:19:10,356 --> 00:19:13,600 He, at a very young age, would read biographies 367 00:19:13,635 --> 00:19:17,570 of people like Julius Caesar, Oliver Cromwell, 368 00:19:17,604 --> 00:19:20,159 Joseph Stalin, and, of course, Adolf Hitler. 369 00:19:21,367 --> 00:19:23,990 It really feels like Graham was more attracted 370 00:19:24,024 --> 00:19:26,165 towards tyrants and despots. 371 00:19:27,373 --> 00:19:31,653 - He was always in Neasden Library as a youth, 372 00:19:31,687 --> 00:19:36,520 studying or reading about various poisoners. 373 00:19:36,554 --> 00:19:39,178 - All boys have their heroes. 374 00:19:39,212 --> 00:19:41,973 Graham Young's hero was Dr. Crippen, 375 00:19:42,008 --> 00:19:46,461 who was a notorious poisoner of the early 20th century. 376 00:19:46,495 --> 00:19:49,188 But he was also interested in William Palmer, 377 00:19:49,222 --> 00:19:53,122 who was a noted poisoner from the Victorian era. 378 00:19:53,157 --> 00:19:58,197 For Graham, Palmer and Crippen were idols, icons. 379 00:19:58,749 --> 00:20:00,440 [ominous music] 380 00:20:00,475 --> 00:20:03,029 Graham's stepmother, Molly, showed concern 381 00:20:03,063 --> 00:20:05,997 about his reading habits when he was very young. 382 00:20:06,032 --> 00:20:08,759 But when she discussed it with a librarian, 383 00:20:10,139 --> 00:20:13,212 she sort of reassured her by saying that it wasn't unusual 384 00:20:13,246 --> 00:20:16,422 for children to show interest in that kind of subject. 385 00:20:17,388 --> 00:20:19,873 - He was developing enough knowledge 386 00:20:19,908 --> 00:20:22,669 about the ways that these poisons work 387 00:20:22,704 --> 00:20:27,053 and the appropriate dosages that he was in a position 388 00:20:27,087 --> 00:20:29,435 to start putting his plans into action 389 00:20:29,469 --> 00:20:31,920 and actually using the chemicals. 390 00:20:31,954 --> 00:20:33,956 - [Narrator] There are many branches of science, 391 00:20:33,991 --> 00:20:35,613 and for a young man or woman, 392 00:20:35,648 --> 00:20:39,445 they offer opportunities undreamed of, even 50 years ago. 393 00:20:40,653 --> 00:20:43,656 - His father, he bought him a chemistry set. 394 00:20:43,690 --> 00:20:46,728 With this tool, this chemistry set, 395 00:20:46,762 --> 00:20:49,109 he started to experiment. 396 00:20:49,144 --> 00:20:53,562 - I think he was bordering on genius with his abilities. 397 00:20:53,597 --> 00:20:56,185 I had a common interest with him, 398 00:20:56,220 --> 00:21:00,638 because I was not good at anything much apart from science. 399 00:21:00,673 --> 00:21:05,264 We did do experiments, you know, with my chemistry sets. 400 00:21:05,298 --> 00:21:09,440 His interests were to do with heavy metals. 401 00:21:09,475 --> 00:21:12,409 One of them I can remember was thallium. 402 00:21:15,032 --> 00:21:17,276 - He was known as the mad professor 403 00:21:17,310 --> 00:21:20,969 because he was always talking about scientific matters. 404 00:21:21,003 --> 00:21:23,696 His fellow pupils knew him as an odd ball. 405 00:21:24,904 --> 00:21:28,459 - We'd go out in the local area walking around. 406 00:21:28,494 --> 00:21:30,530 We would knock on people's doors. 407 00:21:30,565 --> 00:21:34,120 If they were nice to us, then nothing would happen. 408 00:21:34,154 --> 00:21:36,260 If they were nasty and said sort of, you know, 409 00:21:36,295 --> 00:21:38,158 "What do you want, little boy? Go away." 410 00:21:38,193 --> 00:21:39,953 we'd go back there later. 411 00:21:39,988 --> 00:21:42,370 He used to go in the garden, 412 00:21:42,404 --> 00:21:45,787 and a lot of these houses had sunflowers. 413 00:21:45,821 --> 00:21:50,412 He used to inject the stems of the sunflowers 414 00:21:50,447 --> 00:21:53,277 with a hypodermic syringe. 415 00:21:53,312 --> 00:21:55,244 You could see them droop. 416 00:21:55,279 --> 00:21:58,006 [desolate music] 417 00:21:59,732 --> 00:22:02,666 - He started experimenting on the family cat 418 00:22:02,700 --> 00:22:05,358 and also frogs and other creatures. 419 00:22:05,393 --> 00:22:08,050 He moved on to human beings after that. 420 00:22:09,949 --> 00:22:12,296 - Graham was a little bit of a loner at school, 421 00:22:12,331 --> 00:22:14,333 but he did have a few school friends, 422 00:22:14,367 --> 00:22:17,232 including a boy called Christopher John Williams. 423 00:22:17,266 --> 00:22:19,165 In early 1961, 424 00:22:19,199 --> 00:22:23,134 he starts his experiments with antimony on Chris. 425 00:22:23,169 --> 00:22:26,414 And I would say that that's because he's accessible. 426 00:22:26,448 --> 00:22:31,280 So he can poison Chris by doctoring his food at school. 427 00:22:31,315 --> 00:22:34,042 [ominous music] 428 00:22:35,492 --> 00:22:38,426 - Pure antimony by itself is a silvery white metal 429 00:22:38,460 --> 00:22:41,325 that you can find in nature mixed with other metals, 430 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:43,638 but it's present in other compounds 431 00:22:43,672 --> 00:22:45,847 like antimony potassium tartrate, 432 00:22:45,881 --> 00:22:48,643 which is also known as tartar emetic. 433 00:22:48,677 --> 00:22:52,647 A dose of that would've caused vomiting, 434 00:22:52,681 --> 00:22:56,133 tummy aches, stomach cramps, diarrhoea. 435 00:22:56,167 --> 00:22:57,445 With continuous exposure, 436 00:22:57,479 --> 00:23:00,448 the symptoms can get worse and more deadly, 437 00:23:00,482 --> 00:23:02,588 and it can even lead to coma and death. 438 00:23:02,622 --> 00:23:06,488 So it really depends on how long the exposure is 439 00:23:06,523 --> 00:23:07,489 and how much. 440 00:23:08,663 --> 00:23:11,424 - [VO] I gave him two or three grains at school. 441 00:23:11,459 --> 00:23:13,771 I can't remember how I caused him to take it. 442 00:23:13,806 --> 00:23:17,016 I think it was probably on a cream biscuit or a cake. 443 00:23:17,050 --> 00:23:18,604 He was sick after taking it. 444 00:23:18,638 --> 00:23:20,951 I gave him a second dose in May in the same way, 445 00:23:20,985 --> 00:23:24,264 and in the following month I gave him another two doses, 446 00:23:24,299 --> 00:23:27,544 always two or three grains and on food at school. 447 00:23:28,890 --> 00:23:32,549 - A grain is an old-style pharmaceutical measurement, 448 00:23:32,583 --> 00:23:36,207 which is equivalent to about 65 milligrammes. 449 00:23:36,242 --> 00:23:40,211 - Very few people offend using such a method, 450 00:23:40,246 --> 00:23:42,628 but one of the things we know about people who poison 451 00:23:42,662 --> 00:23:44,250 is that they poison those close to them. 452 00:23:44,284 --> 00:23:46,666 [gentle music] 453 00:23:46,701 --> 00:23:49,497 First of all, they like to watch the effects 454 00:23:49,531 --> 00:23:51,360 and what's gonna happen once they've administered 455 00:23:51,395 --> 00:23:52,292 that poison. 456 00:23:52,327 --> 00:23:53,880 And that's part of the pleasure, 457 00:23:53,915 --> 00:23:56,504 is to actually see how the poison 458 00:23:56,538 --> 00:23:57,781 that they have administered 459 00:23:57,815 --> 00:24:00,542 is causing pain to the particular victim. 460 00:24:00,577 --> 00:24:04,235 So it's very obvious that he picked victims close to him 461 00:24:04,270 --> 00:24:05,892 so he could stay within their proximity 462 00:24:05,927 --> 00:24:07,135 as they were suffering. 463 00:24:08,654 --> 00:24:10,379 - Anybody that was close to Graham, 464 00:24:10,414 --> 00:24:13,313 anybody that he had a reason to be around, 465 00:24:13,348 --> 00:24:16,144 was a potential target for his poisoning. 466 00:24:17,283 --> 00:24:20,355 - He used to bring in a bag of fairy cakes. 467 00:24:20,389 --> 00:24:22,771 He would offer these things around, 468 00:24:22,806 --> 00:24:26,879 and most of the friends used to snap them up and eat them. 469 00:24:26,913 --> 00:24:29,260 One day I was particularly hungry. 470 00:24:29,295 --> 00:24:31,780 I said to him, "Graham, can I have one of your cakes?" 471 00:24:31,815 --> 00:24:33,472 I said, "I'm starving." 472 00:24:33,506 --> 00:24:36,544 In a sinister voice, he said, "Not for you." 473 00:24:36,578 --> 00:24:38,615 [gentle music] 474 00:24:38,649 --> 00:24:40,962 He was obviously dishing out poison. 475 00:24:43,274 --> 00:24:45,035 - Once Chris starts becoming so ill 476 00:24:45,069 --> 00:24:47,347 that he has to take time off school, 477 00:24:47,382 --> 00:24:49,902 it becomes harder for Graham to do what he really wants 478 00:24:49,936 --> 00:24:53,077 to do, which is to continue poisoning, 479 00:24:53,112 --> 00:24:55,942 but from a position where he can observe the effects 480 00:24:55,977 --> 00:24:57,219 on the victim. 481 00:24:57,254 --> 00:24:59,946 [sombre music] 482 00:24:59,981 --> 00:25:02,190 - That's when his career really got underway, 483 00:25:02,224 --> 00:25:05,296 and then he turned his attention to his own family. 484 00:25:06,712 --> 00:25:09,646 โ™ช I'm not afraid, it's just begun โ™ช 485 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,372 [sombre music] 486 00:25:16,791 --> 00:25:18,827 - [VO] I started experimenting at home, 487 00:25:18,862 --> 00:25:21,554 putting sometimes one, sometimes three grains 488 00:25:21,589 --> 00:25:25,524 on prepared foods, which my mother, father, and sister ate. 489 00:25:25,558 --> 00:25:27,664 I must have eaten some of this poisoned food occasionally 490 00:25:27,698 --> 00:25:30,114 because I became sick as well. 491 00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:32,185 I know after eating these prepared foods, 492 00:25:32,220 --> 00:25:34,360 my family were all sick. 493 00:25:34,394 --> 00:25:36,983 My mother went to the doctor about her sickness. 494 00:25:38,744 --> 00:25:41,505 - Graham poisoned his sister's drink, 495 00:25:41,540 --> 00:25:45,336 and she sensed there was a bitterness 496 00:25:45,371 --> 00:25:49,030 in the taste of the drink and didn't drink at all, in fact. 497 00:25:49,064 --> 00:25:50,410 And then on the way to work, 498 00:25:50,445 --> 00:25:53,931 she started suffering hallucinations on the bus. 499 00:25:53,966 --> 00:25:56,382 As a result of that, she was taken to hospital. 500 00:25:56,416 --> 00:25:57,866 [tense music] 501 00:25:57,901 --> 00:26:00,697 - Graham poisoned his sister with Belladonna, 502 00:26:00,731 --> 00:26:03,009 a flower also called nightshade. 503 00:26:03,044 --> 00:26:05,391 It has a long history of being used 504 00:26:05,425 --> 00:26:08,359 as a medicine in low doses, 505 00:26:08,394 --> 00:26:10,154 as a poison in higher doses, 506 00:26:10,189 --> 00:26:12,018 and it was used in the Renaissance 507 00:26:12,053 --> 00:26:14,745 to dilate the pupils of the ladies. 508 00:26:14,780 --> 00:26:16,505 That was considered very beautiful. 509 00:26:16,540 --> 00:26:18,335 And it has very bad side effects, 510 00:26:18,369 --> 00:26:23,443 and the most notorious one is hallucinations and delirium. 511 00:26:24,513 --> 00:26:25,584 - Graham was really very enterprising 512 00:26:25,618 --> 00:26:28,034 when it came to obtaining poisons. 513 00:26:28,069 --> 00:26:31,520 He seems to have begun by going around various chemist shops 514 00:26:31,555 --> 00:26:34,316 in the neighbourhood and rummaging through their bins, 515 00:26:34,351 --> 00:26:37,457 and taking whatever bottles and boxes of poisons 516 00:26:37,492 --> 00:26:40,391 and potions that he could find, including ether. 517 00:26:40,426 --> 00:26:42,635 Then he began using his pocket money 518 00:26:42,670 --> 00:26:46,535 and going in and legitimately buying chemicals and poisons. 519 00:26:46,570 --> 00:26:51,610 He used fake names, including M.E. Evans and also Hawley, 520 00:26:52,818 --> 00:26:54,854 which is clearly a reference to Dr. Crippen. 521 00:26:54,889 --> 00:26:57,650 And the interesting thing is he went to a local chemist, 522 00:26:57,685 --> 00:27:01,343 Edgar Davis, and they didn't realise 523 00:27:01,378 --> 00:27:02,862 that he was still a child. 524 00:27:02,897 --> 00:27:06,417 They thought he was an appropriate age, at least 17, 525 00:27:06,452 --> 00:27:08,661 to be able to buy poisons. 526 00:27:08,696 --> 00:27:11,837 And because he had so much chemical knowledge, 527 00:27:11,871 --> 00:27:13,355 they assumed he was a student 528 00:27:13,390 --> 00:27:17,187 and therefore there to purchase poisons legitimately. 529 00:27:17,221 --> 00:27:20,086 [ominous music] 530 00:27:20,121 --> 00:27:22,675 - He was somebody that was clearly fascinated 531 00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:24,090 with chemistry and poisoning, 532 00:27:24,125 --> 00:27:26,265 and people around him were becoming ill. 533 00:27:26,299 --> 00:27:29,682 But then on the other hand, nobody would suspect somebody, 534 00:27:29,717 --> 00:27:31,511 especially a boy that young, 535 00:27:31,546 --> 00:27:35,757 to actively be trying to hurt and poison people around him. 536 00:27:35,792 --> 00:27:39,692 - Poison as your choice of weapon is invisible. 537 00:27:39,727 --> 00:27:42,108 You can't see it. He's not carrying around a knife. 538 00:27:42,143 --> 00:27:43,972 He's not carrying around a gun. 539 00:27:44,007 --> 00:27:45,491 And so he can be quite clever, 540 00:27:45,525 --> 00:27:49,115 quite cute about how and when he administers his poison. 541 00:27:49,150 --> 00:27:51,014 And I think it enabled him the freedom 542 00:27:51,048 --> 00:27:54,086 to poison people at certain times, 543 00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:56,226 stop, allow things to settle down, 544 00:27:56,260 --> 00:27:58,780 and then start again with another victim. 545 00:27:58,815 --> 00:28:00,748 His stepmother bore the brunt, 546 00:28:00,782 --> 00:28:03,440 because she, of course, replaced his mother in the home. 547 00:28:03,474 --> 00:28:07,064 - Graham was regularly dosing Molly with tartar emetic, 548 00:28:07,099 --> 00:28:08,410 which is antimony, 549 00:28:08,445 --> 00:28:12,725 and that is going to cause diarrhoea, vomiting. 550 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,382 But with the long-term use, 551 00:28:14,416 --> 00:28:16,764 it led her to lose a great deal of weight, 552 00:28:16,798 --> 00:28:19,939 about four stone in a few months' time, 553 00:28:19,974 --> 00:28:22,977 and to become very weak and to start losing her hair. 554 00:28:23,011 --> 00:28:25,255 So much so that she had to stop work. 555 00:28:25,289 --> 00:28:26,670 And at that point, 556 00:28:26,705 --> 00:28:30,191 she was at home far more frequently with Graham, 557 00:28:30,225 --> 00:28:32,849 and he started to look after her as a kind of carer. 558 00:28:32,883 --> 00:28:36,231 He would go to the chemist shop to get her medications. 559 00:28:36,266 --> 00:28:38,406 He would bring cups of tea to her. 560 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:39,890 But of course, all the time, 561 00:28:39,925 --> 00:28:43,445 he was dosing her to watch the effects. 562 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,415 And eventually, she began to become extremely weak. 563 00:28:48,243 --> 00:28:49,417 - With those who poison, 564 00:28:49,451 --> 00:28:51,384 they often take a really keen interest 565 00:28:51,419 --> 00:28:52,972 in what's happening to the victim. 566 00:28:53,007 --> 00:28:54,525 They often start to play nurse, 567 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,321 and they become this kind of caring personality. 568 00:28:57,356 --> 00:29:00,773 It's all part of this control, getting pleasure, really, 569 00:29:00,808 --> 00:29:03,086 from watching someone in such pain. 570 00:29:04,087 --> 00:29:05,605 - [VO] Since the beginning of this year, 571 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,677 I have on occasions put antimony tartrate solution 572 00:29:08,712 --> 00:29:11,128 and powder on foods at home, 573 00:29:11,163 --> 00:29:13,717 which both my mother and father have taken. 574 00:29:13,752 --> 00:29:16,030 They have become ill as the result of it. 575 00:29:16,064 --> 00:29:18,791 My mother lost weight all the time through it, 576 00:29:18,826 --> 00:29:21,587 and I stopped giving it to her about February of this year. 577 00:29:21,621 --> 00:29:23,831 [ominous music] 578 00:29:23,865 --> 00:29:26,903 - If you think about if you go to a GP or a hospital 579 00:29:26,937 --> 00:29:29,457 with vomiting and diarrhoea, 580 00:29:29,491 --> 00:29:31,528 the first assumption is not gonna be, 581 00:29:31,562 --> 00:29:34,151 "Oh, you were poisoned with antimony." 582 00:29:34,186 --> 00:29:37,983 You're gonna think you have a stomach flu, food poisoning. 583 00:29:38,017 --> 00:29:41,641 So unless you knew specifically what you were looking for, 584 00:29:41,676 --> 00:29:44,610 you can be confused by other diseases and other problems. 585 00:29:44,644 --> 00:29:47,578 [ominous music] 586 00:29:47,613 --> 00:29:50,512 - Not only was Graham readily dosing Molly, 587 00:29:50,547 --> 00:29:52,860 but she was also suffering from the aftereffects 588 00:29:52,894 --> 00:29:55,379 of a rather serious bus accident, 589 00:29:55,414 --> 00:29:57,899 where she had been thrown out of her seat 590 00:29:57,934 --> 00:30:00,626 so that her head hit the ceiling of the bus, 591 00:30:00,660 --> 00:30:02,421 causing neck problems. 592 00:30:02,455 --> 00:30:05,251 So she suffered with all of that for months, 593 00:30:05,286 --> 00:30:08,013 until, finally, Graham seems to have decided 594 00:30:08,047 --> 00:30:10,498 to try a different poison on her. 595 00:30:10,532 --> 00:30:14,053 [dramatic music] 596 00:30:14,088 --> 00:30:16,849 - Thallium is one of those famous poisons 597 00:30:16,884 --> 00:30:19,369 that is talked about in literature, 598 00:30:19,403 --> 00:30:23,338 and it was used by many other famous poisoners, 599 00:30:23,373 --> 00:30:25,513 because it is the perfect poison. 600 00:30:25,547 --> 00:30:27,791 They call it the poisoner's poison 601 00:30:27,826 --> 00:30:30,518 'cause it's flavourless, colourless. 602 00:30:30,552 --> 00:30:34,177 Very small amount will have a very serious effect, 603 00:30:34,211 --> 00:30:36,317 and the symptoms are not specific enough 604 00:30:36,351 --> 00:30:41,253 that you would not think about poisoning if you saw them. 605 00:30:41,287 --> 00:30:43,600 - Graham realised that he had the power of life 606 00:30:43,634 --> 00:30:44,981 and death over people. 607 00:30:45,015 --> 00:30:48,743 He poisoned Chris Williams for a period of weeks 608 00:30:48,777 --> 00:30:50,262 until he had to stop, 609 00:30:50,296 --> 00:30:52,851 but he had that boy's health in his hands. 610 00:30:52,885 --> 00:30:55,750 He poisoned Molly for months 611 00:30:55,784 --> 00:31:00,203 and constantly had her health and wellbeing in his hands. 612 00:31:00,237 --> 00:31:02,377 And then at Easter, 613 00:31:02,412 --> 00:31:04,966 he made the decision that he would kill her. 614 00:31:05,001 --> 00:31:07,658 He dosed her with the enormous dose 615 00:31:07,693 --> 00:31:10,523 of 20 grains of thallium. 616 00:31:10,558 --> 00:31:11,800 So if you do the maths, 617 00:31:11,835 --> 00:31:16,736 20 grains of thallium is just over a gramme, 618 00:31:16,771 --> 00:31:21,569 which in modern terms is going to be quite a large quantity 619 00:31:21,603 --> 00:31:25,124 that you could easily see if you had it in a spoon. 620 00:31:25,159 --> 00:31:27,333 But he managed to hide it in her food, 621 00:31:27,368 --> 00:31:29,922 and that was a killing dose. 622 00:31:29,957 --> 00:31:31,924 - Dying from thallium poisoning would've been 623 00:31:31,959 --> 00:31:34,409 a very painful death. 624 00:31:34,444 --> 00:31:38,655 The way that the nerves get attacked progressively 625 00:31:38,689 --> 00:31:40,105 in your body. 626 00:31:40,139 --> 00:31:44,557 I've seen it described as burning, pain, and needles. 627 00:31:44,592 --> 00:31:46,352 It seems quite horrifying, 628 00:31:46,387 --> 00:31:50,425 and not just painful, but also slow. 629 00:31:50,460 --> 00:31:53,359 So that would've taken a while to cause the effects 630 00:31:53,394 --> 00:31:56,466 that would finally be fatal. 631 00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:59,158 - When Molly died in April 1962, 632 00:31:59,193 --> 00:32:01,195 Graham's reaction was one of deep sorrow. 633 00:32:01,229 --> 00:32:02,713 He cried a lot. 634 00:32:02,748 --> 00:32:05,820 He stuck very close to his father for the whole week. 635 00:32:05,854 --> 00:32:07,235 He went into Molly's bedroom 636 00:32:07,270 --> 00:32:10,652 and played her music boxes, crying. 637 00:32:10,687 --> 00:32:13,138 When his father went to make the funeral arrangements, 638 00:32:13,172 --> 00:32:14,725 Graham went with him. 639 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,452 But interestingly, it was Graham who suggested 640 00:32:17,487 --> 00:32:20,110 that Molly's body ought to be cremated. 641 00:32:20,145 --> 00:32:21,940 And that is indeed what happened. 642 00:32:21,974 --> 00:32:23,251 She was cremated, 643 00:32:23,286 --> 00:32:25,529 and her ashes were scattered at Golders Green. 644 00:32:25,564 --> 00:32:27,600 And of course, that was perfect for Graham 645 00:32:27,635 --> 00:32:31,294 because it meant that there could be no traces left 646 00:32:31,328 --> 00:32:32,778 of his crime. 647 00:32:32,812 --> 00:32:37,093 โ™ช Nobody wants 648 00:32:37,127 --> 00:32:40,096 โ™ช To talk about it 649 00:32:42,201 --> 00:32:43,858 - The cause of death was attributed 650 00:32:43,892 --> 00:32:46,447 to the accident she had been involved in 651 00:32:46,481 --> 00:32:48,380 some time earlier with a bus. 652 00:32:48,414 --> 00:32:51,072 [sombre music] 653 00:32:52,729 --> 00:32:55,007 - Graham actually went to collect Molly's death certificate, 654 00:32:55,042 --> 00:32:58,010 and I do wonder whether, in his own dark mind, 655 00:32:58,045 --> 00:33:01,496 this was almost like some sort of award or achievement 656 00:33:01,531 --> 00:33:04,499 or like a symbol for the end of his experiment. 657 00:33:06,708 --> 00:33:11,265 โ™ช There's something sweet about death โ™ช 658 00:33:13,784 --> 00:33:17,029 - [Narrator] Each new chemical experiment is a further step 659 00:33:17,064 --> 00:33:21,378 in learning to apply chemistry to practical problems. 660 00:33:21,413 --> 00:33:23,760 - Molly's death didn't deter Graham. 661 00:33:23,794 --> 00:33:26,038 If anything, it seems to have emboldened him 662 00:33:26,073 --> 00:33:30,767 to want to carry on with his macabre experiments. 663 00:33:30,801 --> 00:33:33,218 - Graham's father went into hospital 664 00:33:33,252 --> 00:33:36,600 soon after Molly's funeral, 665 00:33:36,635 --> 00:33:39,327 and he was desperately ill, 666 00:33:39,362 --> 00:33:42,641 suffering terrible sickness, as I recall, 667 00:33:42,675 --> 00:33:47,749 and various other horrendous symptoms of poisoning. 668 00:33:49,096 --> 00:33:51,270 That's the point at which he became very suspicious 669 00:33:51,305 --> 00:33:56,206 about Graham and stopped him visiting him in hospital. 670 00:33:56,241 --> 00:33:59,451 [sombre music] 671 00:33:59,485 --> 00:34:03,386 - By May 1962, Graham's science teacher was beginning 672 00:34:03,420 --> 00:34:07,804 to realise that the illnesses amongst Graham's friends, 673 00:34:07,838 --> 00:34:10,600 the recent death in Graham's family, 674 00:34:10,634 --> 00:34:12,395 the fact that his father had been committed 675 00:34:12,429 --> 00:34:16,951 to hospital suffering from gastrointestinal problems, 676 00:34:16,985 --> 00:34:18,711 all of this was rather suspicious. 677 00:34:18,746 --> 00:34:20,161 So one day after school, 678 00:34:20,196 --> 00:34:23,268 he looked inside Graham's desk and discovered poisons, 679 00:34:23,302 --> 00:34:25,684 and that led him to be deeply suspicious. 680 00:34:25,718 --> 00:34:28,031 So at that point he goes to the headmaster, 681 00:34:28,066 --> 00:34:29,688 and between them they decide that they need 682 00:34:29,722 --> 00:34:32,104 to contact the authorities. 683 00:34:32,139 --> 00:34:35,694 So the very next day, a child guidance counsellor, 684 00:34:35,728 --> 00:34:38,317 a psychologist who was working with the police, 685 00:34:38,352 --> 00:34:40,216 had an interview with Graham. 686 00:34:40,250 --> 00:34:43,357 They told him it was a careers guidance interview. 687 00:34:43,391 --> 00:34:45,186 And during the course of this discussion, 688 00:34:45,221 --> 00:34:48,396 the psychologist realised that Graham's interest 689 00:34:48,431 --> 00:34:50,364 in poisons was such 690 00:34:50,398 --> 00:34:53,125 that it was just a little bit suspicious, 691 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,784 and they thought that there's a link here between this boy, 692 00:34:56,818 --> 00:34:58,786 his interest in poisons and poisoning, 693 00:34:58,820 --> 00:35:02,238 the death of his stepmother, the illness of his father. 694 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,724 That very day, a police detective went to the house 695 00:35:05,758 --> 00:35:06,828 to talk to Graham. 696 00:35:06,863 --> 00:35:08,554 The detective arrested Graham 697 00:35:08,589 --> 00:35:12,213 on the suspicion of having poisoned his sister. 698 00:35:12,248 --> 00:35:14,698 And this was very, very shocking. 699 00:35:14,733 --> 00:35:18,012 A child of this age to be actually under arrest 700 00:35:18,046 --> 00:35:20,670 by the police brought in for formal questioning 701 00:35:20,704 --> 00:35:22,879 is very unusual. 702 00:35:22,913 --> 00:35:26,814 - He openly admits that he's poisoned a friend, 703 00:35:26,848 --> 00:35:29,472 his own sister, and his own father. 704 00:35:29,506 --> 00:35:31,646 It feels like he's even talking about his actions 705 00:35:31,681 --> 00:35:33,959 with a hint of pride. 706 00:35:33,993 --> 00:35:35,305 - [VO] I can't think of anyone else 707 00:35:35,340 --> 00:35:36,789 that I've given poison to. 708 00:35:36,824 --> 00:35:39,689 And I know that the doses I was giving were not fatal, 709 00:35:39,723 --> 00:35:41,725 but I knew I was doing wrong. 710 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,176 It grew on me like a drug habit 711 00:35:44,211 --> 00:35:47,145 except that it wasn't me who was taking the drug. 712 00:35:47,179 --> 00:35:49,768 I realised how stupid I've been with these poisons. 713 00:35:49,802 --> 00:35:53,185 I knew this all along, but I couldn't stop. 714 00:35:53,220 --> 00:35:56,361 - For him, watching poisons act 715 00:35:56,395 --> 00:36:00,468 on other human beings was like a drug. 716 00:36:00,503 --> 00:36:01,987 It was an obsession, 717 00:36:02,021 --> 00:36:04,955 something that he really couldn't do without. 718 00:36:04,990 --> 00:36:09,201 It gave him a sense of power and control, 719 00:36:09,236 --> 00:36:11,307 which he actually admitted to, 720 00:36:11,341 --> 00:36:15,173 that it was the power that he was really obsessed with. 721 00:36:16,243 --> 00:36:17,727 - [Narrator] When the drug wears off, 722 00:36:17,761 --> 00:36:19,832 he wants that pleasant feeling again. 723 00:36:19,867 --> 00:36:22,801 But he finds he has to keep increasing the dose. 724 00:36:22,835 --> 00:36:24,320 The more he uses, 725 00:36:24,354 --> 00:36:28,220 the more he needs to get that same feeling of wellbeing. 726 00:36:29,359 --> 00:36:30,912 - During the course of the police interview, 727 00:36:30,947 --> 00:36:33,225 Graham finally revealed 728 00:36:33,260 --> 00:36:36,021 that he had a large collection of poisons. 729 00:36:36,055 --> 00:36:37,747 He had his own chemistry set, 730 00:36:37,781 --> 00:36:40,474 which was a gift from his father, in his room. 731 00:36:40,508 --> 00:36:42,303 He had some other of the poisons 732 00:36:42,338 --> 00:36:44,719 that he'd managed to procure and buy, 733 00:36:44,754 --> 00:36:46,411 but he also revealed to detectives 734 00:36:46,445 --> 00:36:50,000 that he had quite a large stash of poisons kept 735 00:36:50,035 --> 00:36:52,693 in a hut near a local reservoir. 736 00:36:52,727 --> 00:36:53,970 And not only that, 737 00:36:54,004 --> 00:36:57,698 he kept other stashes of poisons in a hedge. 738 00:36:57,732 --> 00:37:00,321 So he had at least three different locations 739 00:37:00,356 --> 00:37:03,945 where he kept his large collection of poisons. 740 00:37:03,980 --> 00:37:06,396 And of course, we ought not to forget that this is a boy 741 00:37:06,431 --> 00:37:08,743 of only 14 years of age. 742 00:37:08,778 --> 00:37:10,193 He's like an evil genius. 743 00:37:10,228 --> 00:37:12,506 He's actually thinking ahead, thinking, 744 00:37:12,540 --> 00:37:15,129 "Well, what if somebody finds my stash here? 745 00:37:15,163 --> 00:37:17,373 Well, if I keep it here, 746 00:37:17,407 --> 00:37:19,892 that one perhaps will never be found." 747 00:37:19,927 --> 00:37:22,826 He's very clever. He thinks ahead. 748 00:37:22,861 --> 00:37:27,590 He's always really got an eye on what he wants, 749 00:37:27,624 --> 00:37:29,316 which is to have poisons, 750 00:37:29,350 --> 00:37:32,595 to use poisons to be able to observe their effects, 751 00:37:32,629 --> 00:37:34,597 and not be suspected. 752 00:37:35,805 --> 00:37:38,117 - [Narrator] Orderly storage is very important. 753 00:37:38,152 --> 00:37:42,812 Some products may deteriorate. Others are highly flammable. 754 00:37:42,846 --> 00:37:47,575 All must be catalogued efficiently and handled with care. 755 00:37:47,610 --> 00:37:49,508 - Graham was remanded in custody 756 00:37:49,543 --> 00:37:52,787 to a young offenders institution at Ashford in Middlesex. 757 00:37:52,822 --> 00:37:54,306 And of course, while he was there, 758 00:37:54,341 --> 00:37:57,205 he was interviewed by one of the prison medical officers, 759 00:37:57,240 --> 00:37:59,173 who later recalled that Graham said 760 00:37:59,207 --> 00:38:00,933 he was missing his antimony. 761 00:38:00,968 --> 00:38:03,764 He was missing the sense of power that it gave him. 762 00:38:03,798 --> 00:38:05,835 And that clearly indicates 763 00:38:05,869 --> 00:38:09,183 that Graham was sort of suffering from withdrawal 764 00:38:09,217 --> 00:38:12,738 at that point, the sense of power and control. 765 00:38:12,773 --> 00:38:15,051 It's like he had an addiction. 766 00:38:15,085 --> 00:38:17,950 His addiction was to poisoning other people. 767 00:38:17,985 --> 00:38:20,539 And when he was remanded in custody 768 00:38:20,574 --> 00:38:23,335 and unable to feed that addiction, 769 00:38:23,370 --> 00:38:26,096 he started to feel a bit edgy. 770 00:38:26,131 --> 00:38:29,134 It really started to affect him in a negative way. 771 00:38:29,168 --> 00:38:31,550 - We know that in the weeks leading up to his trial, 772 00:38:31,585 --> 00:38:34,726 Graham attempted suicide on two occasions: 773 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,831 once by poisoning himself, 774 00:38:36,866 --> 00:38:41,008 and once by attempting to hang himself using his own tie. 775 00:38:42,354 --> 00:38:45,461 Generally speaking, hanging tends to be quite final, 776 00:38:45,495 --> 00:38:49,430 and is a very severe and effective method 777 00:38:49,465 --> 00:38:52,916 of suicide compared to, for example, taking an overdose. 778 00:38:52,951 --> 00:38:56,368 Graham doesn't strike me as an attention seeker in general. 779 00:38:56,403 --> 00:38:58,370 Throughout most of his life, in fact, he was the opposite. 780 00:38:58,405 --> 00:38:59,613 He was much of a loner. 781 00:38:59,647 --> 00:39:02,616 He was quite withdrawn, he was quite isolated. 782 00:39:02,650 --> 00:39:05,066 The exception being he did actually take pride 783 00:39:05,101 --> 00:39:07,448 in his poisoning activities. 784 00:39:07,483 --> 00:39:09,174 - Graham was initially charged 785 00:39:09,208 --> 00:39:11,763 with having administered a noxious thing 786 00:39:11,797 --> 00:39:14,075 with intent to cause grievous bodily harm 787 00:39:14,110 --> 00:39:15,836 to his sister Win. 788 00:39:15,870 --> 00:39:17,734 And then over a week later, 789 00:39:17,769 --> 00:39:20,944 two additional charges of administering a noxious thing 790 00:39:20,979 --> 00:39:24,120 with intent to cause grievous bodily harm were laid 791 00:39:24,154 --> 00:39:26,674 against him with respect to his father 792 00:39:26,709 --> 00:39:29,712 and his school friend, Chris Williams. 793 00:39:29,746 --> 00:39:32,922 The police and members of Graham's family had suspicions 794 00:39:32,956 --> 00:39:35,027 about the nature of Molly's death, 795 00:39:35,062 --> 00:39:36,408 but of course, there was no evidence. 796 00:39:36,443 --> 00:39:38,341 Her body had been cremated. 797 00:39:38,376 --> 00:39:41,620 So his plan had worked. He'd gotten away with murder. 798 00:39:41,655 --> 00:39:44,554 โ™ช I keep my hopes up 799 00:39:44,589 --> 00:39:49,490 โ™ช And I'm walking the streets over bodies โ™ช 800 00:39:50,457 --> 00:39:52,217 - Graham actually asked his sister 801 00:39:52,251 --> 00:39:55,082 to bring in the newspaper articles, et cetera, 802 00:39:55,116 --> 00:39:56,946 related to his trial. 803 00:39:56,980 --> 00:39:59,880 So to me, this show some elements of narcissism. 804 00:39:59,914 --> 00:40:02,745 He's obviously quite proud of his own work. 805 00:40:02,779 --> 00:40:05,782 โ™ช This is the moment 806 00:40:05,817 --> 00:40:10,891 โ™ช It's the moment we take from the main line โ™ช 807 00:40:12,651 --> 00:40:14,826 - He was quite excited by his infamy, 808 00:40:14,860 --> 00:40:17,484 by his newfound notoriety. 809 00:40:17,518 --> 00:40:19,831 He clearly revelled in the fact 810 00:40:19,865 --> 00:40:22,592 that he was known to members of the public now, 811 00:40:22,627 --> 00:40:24,525 and that the news media were interested 812 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,354 in what he was doing. 813 00:40:26,389 --> 00:40:27,804 He found status. 814 00:40:27,839 --> 00:40:29,530 A status that he maybe didn't have 815 00:40:29,565 --> 00:40:31,567 as a child helped him feel rooted, 816 00:40:31,601 --> 00:40:33,879 that he was important at something. 817 00:40:35,156 --> 00:40:38,263 โ™ช I keep my hopes up 818 00:40:38,297 --> 00:40:43,268 โ™ช And I'm turning the stone into stories โ™ช 819 00:40:43,302 --> 00:40:44,994 - After Central criminal court 820 00:40:45,028 --> 00:40:48,756 for those offences as a 14-year-old, 821 00:40:48,791 --> 00:40:52,622 he was sentenced under the mental health section 59 822 00:40:52,657 --> 00:40:55,073 to Broadmoor Mental Asylum, 823 00:40:57,075 --> 00:40:59,664 not to be released for 15 years. 824 00:41:01,493 --> 00:41:05,083 - Broadmoor in the 1960s was a lunatic asylum. 825 00:41:05,117 --> 00:41:06,567 When we look at the history of Broadmoor, 826 00:41:06,602 --> 00:41:10,122 we can see the most prolific, criminally insane offenders 827 00:41:10,157 --> 00:41:12,021 in England and Wales being sent there, 828 00:41:12,055 --> 00:41:13,781 being housed under its roof. 829 00:41:13,816 --> 00:41:16,957 Graham Young grew up on the fringes of his family. 830 00:41:16,991 --> 00:41:20,443 Lots of people in prison find themselves feeling quite 831 00:41:20,478 --> 00:41:21,789 at home in prison 832 00:41:21,824 --> 00:41:23,826 because they develop very important relationships. 833 00:41:23,860 --> 00:41:26,311 And I think Graham felt quite content at times 834 00:41:26,345 --> 00:41:27,623 in being in Broadmoor. 835 00:41:27,657 --> 00:41:30,142 - Graham was apparently the youngest person 836 00:41:30,177 --> 00:41:33,180 who'd been sent to Broadmoor since 1885, 837 00:41:33,214 --> 00:41:36,079 and I think his situation was extremely unique. 838 00:41:36,114 --> 00:41:37,633 The vast majority of people 839 00:41:37,667 --> 00:41:40,670 who would be in high-secure hospitals like Broadmoor 840 00:41:40,705 --> 00:41:42,707 would've committed physical violence. 841 00:41:42,741 --> 00:41:45,882 And that's simply because when we look at mental illnesses, 842 00:41:45,917 --> 00:41:48,609 you know, intense paranoia or hearing voices, 843 00:41:48,644 --> 00:41:51,336 the sufferer is much more likely to lash out 844 00:41:51,370 --> 00:41:53,269 with violence rather than do something 845 00:41:53,303 --> 00:41:57,480 that's calm and calculated such as poisoning. 846 00:41:57,515 --> 00:41:58,792 - [Narrator] In order to know exactly 847 00:41:58,826 --> 00:42:00,932 which substances we have, 848 00:42:00,966 --> 00:42:05,246 we can analyse them and find out the elements they contain. 849 00:42:05,281 --> 00:42:08,249 - Graham was assessed by three different psychiatrists 850 00:42:08,284 --> 00:42:11,356 within weeks of his admission to Broadmoor. 851 00:42:11,390 --> 00:42:13,876 Two of them felt quite certain that he was suffering 852 00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:16,603 from some form of psychopathic disorder. 853 00:42:16,637 --> 00:42:18,190 The other, the third, 854 00:42:18,225 --> 00:42:21,987 thought that it was some form of incipient schizophrenia. 855 00:42:22,022 --> 00:42:24,334 The fact that the three of them did not agree 856 00:42:24,369 --> 00:42:26,578 on the diagnosis suggests 857 00:42:26,613 --> 00:42:30,582 that Graham was a very, very complex case, 858 00:42:30,617 --> 00:42:31,928 and that the way forward 859 00:42:31,963 --> 00:42:36,381 with him might never have been entirely clear. 860 00:42:36,415 --> 00:42:37,900 - When he was sent to Broadmoor, 861 00:42:37,934 --> 00:42:41,662 he was visited by his aunt and his sister. 862 00:42:41,697 --> 00:42:43,699 He admitted to them 863 00:42:43,733 --> 00:42:48,082 that he had poisoned his stepmother. 864 00:42:48,117 --> 00:42:50,119 - [VO] I gave Molly 20 grains 865 00:42:50,153 --> 00:42:52,224 of thallium the night before she died. 866 00:42:52,259 --> 00:42:53,709 I put it on a trifle. 867 00:42:53,743 --> 00:42:55,089 I knew she would die the next day 868 00:42:55,124 --> 00:42:56,608 because I gave her so much. 869 00:42:56,643 --> 00:42:58,610 And I gave Daddy antimony. 870 00:42:58,645 --> 00:43:01,164 They're completely different poisons. 871 00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:03,960 One stops the kidneys from working, that's antimony, 872 00:43:03,995 --> 00:43:06,342 the other disintegrates the bones. 873 00:43:06,376 --> 00:43:08,275 That's why they didn't find out. 874 00:43:09,794 --> 00:43:12,313 - All we know about Molly's death 875 00:43:12,348 --> 00:43:15,006 is what Graham has chosen to share with us, 876 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,284 because there was no evidence other 877 00:43:17,318 --> 00:43:19,113 than what he told his family. 878 00:43:20,563 --> 00:43:23,566 - The officers and the inmates became paranoid 879 00:43:23,601 --> 00:43:26,742 about Graham's presence in the institution. 880 00:43:26,776 --> 00:43:29,434 And they were particularly concerned 881 00:43:29,468 --> 00:43:31,885 when he was out in the grounds at Broadmoor 882 00:43:31,919 --> 00:43:34,750 because at that time, 883 00:43:34,784 --> 00:43:36,890 there were many, many laurel bushes. 884 00:43:38,270 --> 00:43:42,930 - Laurel is a very common decorative plant that contains, 885 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,899 in the leaves and in the seeds, cyanide. 886 00:43:45,933 --> 00:43:48,660 So with access to the right equipment, 887 00:43:48,695 --> 00:43:51,732 it could have been very easily distilled 888 00:43:51,767 --> 00:43:54,148 into what is called laurel water. 889 00:43:56,254 --> 00:44:00,845 - In August 1962, a fellow patient was found to have died 890 00:44:00,879 --> 00:44:03,157 from the effects of cyanide. 891 00:44:04,124 --> 00:44:05,884 But there was no evidence 892 00:44:05,919 --> 00:44:09,301 that Young had actually distilled this poison, 893 00:44:09,336 --> 00:44:10,751 and the final decision was 894 00:44:10,786 --> 00:44:13,443 that this patient had died from suicide. 895 00:44:13,478 --> 00:44:16,861 But with hindsight, I think we have to have a little bit 896 00:44:16,895 --> 00:44:18,932 of suspicion that Graham may have had something 897 00:44:18,966 --> 00:44:19,864 to do with this. 898 00:44:20,692 --> 00:44:23,419 - The officer inside Broadmoor, 899 00:44:23,453 --> 00:44:26,733 he disclosed that people had become ill 900 00:44:26,767 --> 00:44:29,528 since Graham was admitted. 901 00:44:29,563 --> 00:44:32,980 And it was later discovered 902 00:44:33,015 --> 00:44:35,086 that he had actually poisoned the tea 903 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:36,466 in the tea urn in fact, 904 00:44:36,501 --> 00:44:39,573 and that people had gone down sick as a result of it. 905 00:44:40,367 --> 00:44:42,231 And there was also a suggestion 906 00:44:42,265 --> 00:44:44,785 that he poisoned one of his fellow inmates 907 00:44:44,820 --> 00:44:49,756 because he'd been snoring a lot and keeping Graham awake. 908 00:44:51,102 --> 00:44:54,174 - [VO] The sight and sound of the pain it gave them, 909 00:44:54,208 --> 00:44:57,004 you might say it was a sexual pleasure. 910 00:44:57,039 --> 00:44:59,282 - For him, it was all about power. 911 00:44:59,317 --> 00:45:01,802 You know, he actually was quite turned on in some ways 912 00:45:01,837 --> 00:45:03,562 by having that level of control 913 00:45:03,597 --> 00:45:06,393 over someone's life and potential death. 914 00:45:06,427 --> 00:45:09,637 And for him, it was about how far he could push it. 915 00:45:09,672 --> 00:45:12,399 - [VO] Dear Chris, I hope that you are keeping well. 916 00:45:12,433 --> 00:45:15,782 Just a few lines to let you know how I'm getting on. 917 00:45:15,816 --> 00:45:17,715 It's not too bad a place here. 918 00:45:17,749 --> 00:45:19,061 The food is pretty good, 919 00:45:19,095 --> 00:45:21,719 and there are things to occupy me some of the time. 920 00:45:21,753 --> 00:45:23,617 There is television to watch at night 921 00:45:23,651 --> 00:45:25,964 and the wireless to listen to during the day. 922 00:45:25,999 --> 00:45:29,105 There's also billiards and snooker, et cetera. 923 00:45:29,140 --> 00:45:30,762 How are things with you? 924 00:45:30,797 --> 00:45:35,215 I get occasional reports about you from my spies in Neasden. 925 00:45:35,249 --> 00:45:38,805 [tense music] 926 00:45:38,839 --> 00:45:40,392 - When he was in Broadmoor, 927 00:45:40,427 --> 00:45:42,394 Graham wrote to his friend Chris Williams, 928 00:45:42,429 --> 00:45:45,812 whom he'd been poisoning not very long earlier, 929 00:45:45,846 --> 00:45:48,780 and behaved as though there was really no problem. 930 00:45:48,815 --> 00:45:52,957 It sort of gives us a few insights into Graham's mind, 931 00:45:52,991 --> 00:45:55,166 really into the mind of a psychopath. 932 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,894 Because again, it seems like he's trying to exert control, 933 00:45:58,928 --> 00:46:00,343 but from a distance, 934 00:46:00,378 --> 00:46:03,519 keeping Chris close by writing to him 935 00:46:03,553 --> 00:46:05,452 and not ever really acknowledging 936 00:46:05,486 --> 00:46:08,420 that he's caused this boy harm. 937 00:46:08,455 --> 00:46:10,491 - There's no indication of an apology 938 00:46:10,526 --> 00:46:12,252 or any kind of remorse. 939 00:46:12,286 --> 00:46:15,738 And I think that shows us Graham's mind state. 940 00:46:15,773 --> 00:46:18,189 So not only was he so indifferent 941 00:46:18,223 --> 00:46:21,295 and did he lack any kind of regret in his actions, 942 00:46:21,330 --> 00:46:22,572 but also, I think he struggled 943 00:46:22,607 --> 00:46:24,816 to understand what is socially acceptable. 944 00:46:24,851 --> 00:46:26,991 I think he had very poor social skills. 945 00:46:28,130 --> 00:46:31,236 - Graham first attempted to get parole in 1965, 946 00:46:31,271 --> 00:46:34,481 but the members of his family told the psychiatrist 947 00:46:34,515 --> 00:46:36,241 that they would not accept 948 00:46:36,276 --> 00:46:38,657 to have him come home to live with them. 949 00:46:38,692 --> 00:46:41,557 And Graham at the same time had not been behaving in a way 950 00:46:41,591 --> 00:46:43,421 that led the psychiatrists to believe 951 00:46:43,455 --> 00:46:46,251 that he was ready for release. 952 00:46:46,286 --> 00:46:48,633 But the thing about psychopathy is that, 953 00:46:48,667 --> 00:46:50,152 and Graham had already shown this, 954 00:46:50,186 --> 00:46:53,120 psychopaths tend to be very clever, 955 00:46:53,155 --> 00:46:54,846 and they're also able to learn 956 00:46:54,881 --> 00:46:57,124 from their environment and to take cues. 957 00:46:57,159 --> 00:46:59,920 So he began to watch the other patients, 958 00:46:59,955 --> 00:47:02,267 and just to learn and figure out, 959 00:47:02,302 --> 00:47:05,719 what do I need to do in order to be released? 960 00:47:05,753 --> 00:47:07,617 And when he started to behave in a way 961 00:47:07,652 --> 00:47:09,723 that showed the psychiatrists 962 00:47:09,757 --> 00:47:11,690 that he was apparently turning a corner 963 00:47:11,725 --> 00:47:13,969 and heading towards cure, 964 00:47:14,003 --> 00:47:18,076 that meant that he could see light at the end of the tunnel. 965 00:47:18,111 --> 00:47:19,491 - [VO] My dearest Win, 966 00:47:19,526 --> 00:47:22,632 many apologies from your wicked, neglectful brother 967 00:47:22,667 --> 00:47:23,910 for failing to write to you 968 00:47:23,944 --> 00:47:26,636 for such an unconscionably long time. 969 00:47:26,671 --> 00:47:29,985 I have, however, some good news to import to you. 970 00:47:30,019 --> 00:47:33,954 I had an interview with the estimable Edgar last Friday, 971 00:47:33,989 --> 00:47:35,231 and he told me whether 972 00:47:35,266 --> 00:47:38,131 or not a formal recommendation has yet gone in. 973 00:47:38,165 --> 00:47:39,511 I've had several conversations 974 00:47:39,546 --> 00:47:40,754 with the home office about you, 975 00:47:40,788 --> 00:47:43,308 and I've got things moving at the end. 976 00:47:44,413 --> 00:47:46,518 He also said, "I'm going to discharge you 977 00:47:46,553 --> 00:47:48,348 in the latter half of this year." 978 00:47:49,728 --> 00:47:53,905 As you see from my quotes, the pot is now almost boiling. 979 00:47:56,770 --> 00:47:57,944 - On some level, 980 00:47:57,978 --> 00:48:00,084 he thought of all of this as a bit of a joke. 981 00:48:00,118 --> 00:48:01,326 He wasn't really taking 982 00:48:01,361 --> 00:48:03,846 the whole process particularly seriously. 983 00:48:03,881 --> 00:48:06,642 - He's thinking of himself as this sort of anti-hero 984 00:48:06,676 --> 00:48:08,368 that's gonna come back out of prison 985 00:48:08,402 --> 00:48:10,232 and continue on his quest, you know, 986 00:48:10,266 --> 00:48:13,545 to right the wrongs of his childhood. 987 00:48:13,580 --> 00:48:16,928 Being different was actually a form of power. 988 00:48:16,963 --> 00:48:19,172 - [VO] Just think, Win, another few months 989 00:48:19,206 --> 00:48:21,899 and your friendly neighbourhood Frankenstein will be 990 00:48:21,933 --> 00:48:23,417 at liberty once again. 991 00:48:24,453 --> 00:48:28,940 โ™ช Stop defending what you've done โ™ช 992 00:48:28,975 --> 00:48:31,253 - Does he mean Dr. Victor Frankenstein, 993 00:48:31,287 --> 00:48:34,221 or is he referring to Frankenstein's monster? 994 00:48:34,256 --> 00:48:37,707 I would say that he's referring to Dr. Victor Frankenstein, 995 00:48:37,742 --> 00:48:42,816 the evil genius who is a scientist doing research, 996 00:48:44,128 --> 00:48:48,615 doing science from motives that he thinks of as pure. 997 00:48:49,823 --> 00:48:52,653 So one suspects that Graham was really desperate 998 00:48:52,688 --> 00:48:54,897 to get back out into the world 999 00:48:54,932 --> 00:48:58,556 and really start experimenting again with poisons. 1000 00:48:59,660 --> 00:49:02,353 - He seems to have got on reasonably well 1001 00:49:02,387 --> 00:49:04,148 with staff at the beginning, 1002 00:49:04,182 --> 00:49:06,391 but he said to a particular nurse, 1003 00:49:06,426 --> 00:49:08,911 "I'm going to kill one person 1004 00:49:08,946 --> 00:49:11,534 for every year that I've spent in here." 1005 00:49:12,604 --> 00:49:15,331 โ™ช I'm not afraid, it's just begun โ™ช 1006 00:49:15,366 --> 00:49:18,196 [ominous music] 1007 00:49:18,231 --> 00:49:20,958 - He stated that categorically to a nurse, 1008 00:49:20,992 --> 00:49:23,546 and in spite of it, he was released. 1009 00:49:23,581 --> 00:49:28,655 Having originally been given a 15-year term in Broadmoor, 1010 00:49:29,414 --> 00:49:30,105 he was released after eight. 1011 00:49:31,106 --> 00:49:33,971 - His doctor had determined 1012 00:49:34,005 --> 00:49:37,181 that he should be released. 1013 00:49:37,215 --> 00:49:42,117 Subsequently, all the agencies got together, 1014 00:49:42,151 --> 00:49:45,983 and it was agreed that should be the case, 1015 00:49:46,017 --> 00:49:51,057 that he didn't cause any risk to the general public. 1016 00:49:52,265 --> 00:49:53,991 - Broadmoor is a hospital. It's not a prison. 1017 00:49:54,025 --> 00:49:58,581 And so everybody is there for treatment of overt symptoms. 1018 00:49:58,616 --> 00:50:01,826 So if Graham wasn't displaying anything like aggression 1019 00:50:01,860 --> 00:50:05,243 or paranoid thoughts, there's not really a clinical reason 1020 00:50:05,278 --> 00:50:06,865 to keep him there longer. 1021 00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:09,454 [tense music] 1022 00:50:10,352 --> 00:50:11,594 - Graham is released, 1023 00:50:11,629 --> 00:50:13,631 and, by all accounts, well, by his account, 1024 00:50:13,665 --> 00:50:17,980 he had no intentions of going back to his bad habits. 1025 00:50:18,015 --> 00:50:21,742 But he happened to be drinking in a pub outdoors one day, 1026 00:50:21,777 --> 00:50:23,503 and a number eight bus passed him. 1027 00:50:23,537 --> 00:50:24,573 He was in London. 1028 00:50:24,607 --> 00:50:26,747 And he instantly was brought back 1029 00:50:26,782 --> 00:50:27,955 to his childhood neighbourhood 1030 00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:30,786 because he knew the number eight bus 1031 00:50:30,820 --> 00:50:34,583 would go past the chemist, Edgar Davis', 1032 00:50:34,617 --> 00:50:38,759 where he'd been buying poisons in the early 1960s. 1033 00:50:38,794 --> 00:50:41,486 And that apparently seems to have acted as a trigger. 1034 00:50:41,521 --> 00:50:43,419 Clearly he'd been thinking about it 1035 00:50:43,454 --> 00:50:45,042 throughout his time in Broadmoor. 1036 00:50:45,076 --> 00:50:48,079 He learned to control and manage his instincts, 1037 00:50:48,114 --> 00:50:51,082 and to hide them from the psychiatrist entirely, 1038 00:50:51,117 --> 00:50:53,084 or he wouldn't have been released. 1039 00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:56,570 He wanted to be a famous poisoner, 1040 00:50:56,605 --> 00:50:58,848 and he couldn't really help himself. 1041 00:50:58,883 --> 00:51:02,576 He had an addiction. Graham Young was addicted to poisoning. 1042 00:51:02,611 --> 00:51:04,923 - [Narrator] In a profession where the health of a nation 1043 00:51:04,958 --> 00:51:06,787 and human life are concerned- 1044 00:51:06,822 --> 00:51:08,513 - Thank you. - there can be no margin 1045 00:51:08,548 --> 00:51:09,790 for error. 1046 00:51:09,825 --> 00:51:11,275 - Having left Broadmoor, 1047 00:51:11,309 --> 00:51:13,932 Graham initially went to live with his sister, I believe, 1048 00:51:13,967 --> 00:51:18,109 who had showed tremendous understanding in view of the fact 1049 00:51:18,144 --> 00:51:20,525 that she'd been one of his early victims. 1050 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,597 And then he found lodgings in Hamel Hemstead. 1051 00:51:23,632 --> 00:51:27,325 - He applied for and got a job working in the stores 1052 00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,811 for a photographic supply company called Hadlands 1053 00:51:30,846 --> 00:51:33,055 in Bovington, in Hertfordshire, 1054 00:51:33,090 --> 00:51:35,126 a job for which he was well suited. 1055 00:51:35,161 --> 00:51:37,197 - [VO] I have privately studied chemistry, 1056 00:51:37,232 --> 00:51:39,303 organic and inorganic pharmacology, 1057 00:51:39,337 --> 00:51:42,444 and toxicology over the past 10 years, 1058 00:51:42,478 --> 00:51:44,549 and have, therefore, some knowledge 1059 00:51:44,584 --> 00:51:47,483 of photographic chemicals and usage. 1060 00:51:47,518 --> 00:51:49,968 - Graham applying for a job in a company like this 1061 00:51:50,003 --> 00:51:52,695 is like a kid applying for a job in a sweet shop. 1062 00:51:52,730 --> 00:51:55,353 Absolutely perfect for a man like him. 1063 00:51:56,872 --> 00:51:59,219 โ™ช It'll be like home 1064 00:51:59,254 --> 00:52:02,602 [gentle uplifting music] 1065 00:52:05,881 --> 00:52:10,161 - Graham Frederick Young, who was then 24, 1066 00:52:10,196 --> 00:52:12,405 was the prime suspect. 1067 00:52:12,439 --> 00:52:15,546 Enqueries were made at the criminal record office 1068 00:52:15,580 --> 00:52:18,031 at Scotland Yard to find 1069 00:52:18,065 --> 00:52:23,001 that the same Graham Frederick Young had, 1070 00:52:23,036 --> 00:52:25,349 in 1962, 1071 00:52:25,383 --> 00:52:29,525 been convicted of administering poison 1072 00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:34,358 to his father, his sister Winifred, 1073 00:52:34,392 --> 00:52:35,842 and a school friend. 1074 00:52:35,876 --> 00:52:38,500 [sombre music] 1075 00:52:41,330 --> 00:52:42,849 - Well, because we were informed 1076 00:52:42,883 --> 00:52:45,748 that he had a sister living in Leverstock Green, 1077 00:52:45,783 --> 00:52:48,130 which is a suburb of Hemel Hempstead, 1078 00:52:48,165 --> 00:52:52,203 I went and saw his sister to find out where Graham was. 1079 00:52:53,446 --> 00:52:56,759 And of course, she told me that he was staying 1080 00:52:56,794 --> 00:52:59,210 with an uncle or aunt in Sheerness. 1081 00:52:59,245 --> 00:53:01,488 She obviously knew that Graham had been up to poison again. 1082 00:53:01,523 --> 00:53:03,318 That's why we were looking for him. 1083 00:53:04,698 --> 00:53:07,632 We got the Sheerness police to arrest him. 1084 00:53:09,013 --> 00:53:12,016 When they did arrest him, for murder, as they told him, 1085 00:53:12,050 --> 00:53:13,535 he said, "Which one?" 1086 00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:17,263 [sombre music] 1087 00:53:20,266 --> 00:53:23,165 - Later on that Saturday evening, 1088 00:53:24,649 --> 00:53:27,342 Mr. Kirkpatrick and some others took him back 1089 00:53:27,376 --> 00:53:28,998 to Hamel Hempstead, 1090 00:53:29,033 --> 00:53:32,347 arriving at about six o'clock the following morning. 1091 00:53:32,381 --> 00:53:36,213 - Most of the witnesses were telling people 1092 00:53:36,247 --> 00:53:39,664 that they felt sick after drinking tea 1093 00:53:39,699 --> 00:53:42,080 or coffee made by Graham Young. 1094 00:53:43,150 --> 00:53:44,876 - It appeared that it would've been 1095 00:53:44,911 --> 00:53:47,431 a relatively straightforward process. 1096 00:53:47,465 --> 00:53:52,539 Somebody going to the tea lady, picking up a cup of coffee, 1097 00:53:53,609 --> 00:53:55,301 and taking it back to their colleague. 1098 00:53:55,335 --> 00:53:57,337 There would've been plenty of opportunity 1099 00:53:57,372 --> 00:54:01,824 to stop along the way along the corridor quietly 1100 00:54:01,859 --> 00:54:06,035 and just drop in this thallium, 1101 00:54:06,070 --> 00:54:09,384 which was tasteless and invisible. 1102 00:54:09,418 --> 00:54:12,697 And whoever was on the receiving end of it 1103 00:54:12,732 --> 00:54:14,699 wouldn't have been any the wiser 1104 00:54:14,734 --> 00:54:17,737 from knowing that they just had a dose. 1105 00:54:17,771 --> 00:54:21,672 - Graham could actually target particular individuals. 1106 00:54:21,706 --> 00:54:24,157 So once he had his supply of poisons, 1107 00:54:24,191 --> 00:54:28,195 he had members of the workforce that he could poison. 1108 00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:29,921 And he had easy access to them 1109 00:54:29,956 --> 00:54:31,544 because he would bring them cups of tea, 1110 00:54:31,578 --> 00:54:34,995 which he had, of course, doctored with chemicals. 1111 00:54:36,238 --> 00:54:41,139 - I was tasked with interviewing Mr. Jethro Batt, 1112 00:54:41,761 --> 00:54:43,003 one of the victims. 1113 00:54:43,038 --> 00:54:45,143 He was hospitalised in Harlow 1114 00:54:45,178 --> 00:54:48,112 at the Princess Alexander Hospital. 1115 00:54:48,146 --> 00:54:51,633 I was told not to inform him 1116 00:54:51,667 --> 00:54:55,947 that Mr. Biggs had died on the Friday 1117 00:54:55,982 --> 00:54:57,811 because his condition was such 1118 00:54:57,846 --> 00:55:00,607 that it might have sent him backwards. 1119 00:55:00,642 --> 00:55:05,302 He looked bad, beginning to lose his hair on his head. 1120 00:55:06,406 --> 00:55:09,961 Jethro quite often stayed doing overtime 1121 00:55:09,996 --> 00:55:13,206 at John Hadlands until seven o'clock. 1122 00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:17,452 Graham Young also stayed pretty regularly. 1123 00:55:17,486 --> 00:55:21,110 And instead of him having to wait until half seven 1124 00:55:21,145 --> 00:55:23,043 for a bus back to Hamel Hempstead, 1125 00:55:23,078 --> 00:55:25,356 which was about two and a half miles away, 1126 00:55:25,391 --> 00:55:28,186 Jethro kindly offered him a lift. 1127 00:55:28,221 --> 00:55:31,397 It was always Jethro's habit, 1128 00:55:31,431 --> 00:55:34,227 about quarter past six, half six, 1129 00:55:34,261 --> 00:55:37,126 to make himself a cup of tea. 1130 00:55:37,161 --> 00:55:39,025 This particular evening, 1131 00:55:39,059 --> 00:55:44,133 who comes in carrying two steaming cups of tea, but Young? 1132 00:55:45,445 --> 00:55:48,931 This surprised Jethro 'cause he'd never done that before. 1133 00:55:50,036 --> 00:55:51,934 - Graham actually made a joke at that time 1134 00:55:51,969 --> 00:55:54,903 along the lines of, "Well, I'm not gonna poison you." 1135 00:55:54,937 --> 00:55:56,145 Maybe he just didn't care. 1136 00:55:56,180 --> 00:55:58,596 Maybe he felt quite cocky, quite confident, 1137 00:55:58,631 --> 00:56:01,012 given that nobody had seemingly found out 1138 00:56:01,047 --> 00:56:02,773 about his poisonous past. 1139 00:56:02,807 --> 00:56:05,016 [hopeful music] 1140 00:56:05,051 --> 00:56:06,708 - Over that weekend, 1141 00:56:06,742 --> 00:56:11,816 Jethro took very bad with aches and pains in the limbs. 1142 00:56:13,162 --> 00:56:15,855 He had hallucinations, delirium. 1143 00:56:15,889 --> 00:56:18,409 He said he was in a World War trench 1144 00:56:18,444 --> 00:56:20,618 with bayonets coming down on him. 1145 00:56:20,653 --> 00:56:23,690 He was also on a mortuary slab. 1146 00:56:23,725 --> 00:56:27,211 - At this time, I was getting this feeling 1147 00:56:27,245 --> 00:56:29,282 that somebody had put on an old, you know, 1148 00:56:29,316 --> 00:56:30,559 the old duelling glove, the mail glove, 1149 00:56:30,594 --> 00:56:32,837 you know, the metal glove, 1150 00:56:32,872 --> 00:56:35,668 and they'd somehow got right inside my ribs. 1151 00:56:35,702 --> 00:56:37,394 And they were grabbing hold of what was inside 1152 00:56:37,428 --> 00:56:40,604 and just squeezing and twisting like that. 1153 00:56:40,638 --> 00:56:42,571 And that's no word of a lie. 1154 00:56:42,606 --> 00:56:44,193 - That's when you asked me for the gun, wasn't it? 1155 00:56:44,228 --> 00:56:45,298 - Yeah, that was. 1156 00:56:45,332 --> 00:56:46,644 - When he got to the point of asking 1157 00:56:46,679 --> 00:56:48,197 for a gun to shoot himself. 1158 00:56:48,232 --> 00:56:49,233 You know, he was in that 1159 00:56:49,267 --> 00:56:50,199 agony. - He did that? 1160 00:56:50,234 --> 00:56:53,133 [sombre music] 1161 00:56:53,168 --> 00:56:57,241 - Now, Jethro, if he'd have finished that tea, 1162 00:56:57,275 --> 00:57:00,934 he would've been dead within a week, from all accounts. 1163 00:57:00,969 --> 00:57:03,972 If we hadn't already got a suspect, 1164 00:57:04,006 --> 00:57:08,701 Graham Frederick Young would've been top of the list 1165 00:57:08,735 --> 00:57:11,773 based on what Jethro had told us. 1166 00:57:13,499 --> 00:57:17,848 His lodgings were tracked down and was searched. 1167 00:57:17,882 --> 00:57:22,404 There were files, poisons, books on poisons. 1168 00:57:22,439 --> 00:57:26,615 The wall, he had Third Reich, depictions of death, 1169 00:57:26,650 --> 00:57:29,998 and they found, although they didn't know what it was, 1170 00:57:30,032 --> 00:57:32,587 but in the top pocket of a jacket hanging up 1171 00:57:32,621 --> 00:57:37,315 behind the door was a file of white powder. 1172 00:57:39,352 --> 00:57:41,665 That turned out to be a file 1173 00:57:41,699 --> 00:57:44,184 that he had said later 1174 00:57:44,219 --> 00:57:47,084 retained as his exit dose. 1175 00:57:47,118 --> 00:57:50,087 [dramatic music] 1176 00:57:50,121 --> 00:57:54,298 - And then the full nature of Graham Young was exposed. 1177 00:57:54,332 --> 00:57:57,784 That he was a guy who was utterly fascinated 1178 00:57:57,819 --> 00:58:02,824 by extreme right-wing ideology and toxicology. 1179 00:58:03,618 --> 00:58:06,103 They were his twin obsessions 1180 00:58:06,137 --> 00:58:10,141 and really amounted to his entire life. 1181 00:58:10,176 --> 00:58:13,490 - [Narrator] It is human life with which he is dealing, 1182 00:58:13,524 --> 00:58:16,113 the most precious commodity of all. 1183 00:58:16,147 --> 00:58:19,357 - They searched his flat or bedsit 1184 00:58:19,392 --> 00:58:22,188 and found a diary that he'd been keeping. 1185 00:58:22,222 --> 00:58:25,087 He began keeping this thing on the 12th of October, 1186 00:58:25,122 --> 00:58:28,056 and the last entry was the 17th of November, 1187 00:58:28,090 --> 00:58:30,852 two days before Fred Biggs died. 1188 00:58:30,886 --> 00:58:34,407 And this thing was a revelation because they could see 1189 00:58:34,441 --> 00:58:38,135 that all of his colleagues at Hadlands were referred 1190 00:58:38,169 --> 00:58:40,689 to using just their initials. 1191 00:58:40,724 --> 00:58:43,347 So "J" for Jethro Batt. 1192 00:58:43,381 --> 00:58:47,282 - [VO] October 21st. "J" has also worsened. 1193 00:58:47,316 --> 00:58:49,318 His symptoms have developed more slowly, 1194 00:58:49,353 --> 00:58:51,700 but he's now experiencing severe pains 1195 00:58:51,735 --> 00:58:54,738 in the feet and legs, causing difficulty in walking, 1196 00:58:54,772 --> 00:58:58,638 and further pains in the stomach, back, and chest. 1197 00:58:58,673 --> 00:59:02,331 I feel rather ashamed of my action in harming Jeff. 1198 00:59:02,366 --> 00:59:04,023 I think he's a really nice fellow 1199 00:59:04,057 --> 00:59:07,371 and the nearest thing to a friend that I have at Hadlands. 1200 00:59:07,405 --> 00:59:10,063 I hope, although I have no faith in it, 1201 00:59:10,098 --> 00:59:11,617 that he will soon recover. 1202 00:59:12,963 --> 00:59:15,724 - It was quite explicit the fact that he had initials 1203 00:59:15,759 --> 00:59:18,589 for whoever the people he'd poisoned. 1204 00:59:18,624 --> 00:59:20,557 And then he'd obviously looked at them 1205 00:59:20,591 --> 00:59:23,974 and seen the reaction that his poisons had been given. 1206 00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,185 And he'd make remarks about he needed to give them more 1207 00:59:28,219 --> 00:59:31,809 'cause the reaction wasn't enough or what have you. 1208 00:59:31,844 --> 00:59:34,018 - [VO] "J" has developed severe alopecia 1209 00:59:34,053 --> 00:59:35,537 and has lost weight. 1210 00:59:35,572 --> 00:59:38,644 The hospital is rechecking all the tests previously made. 1211 00:59:38,678 --> 00:59:41,854 As yet, they do not suspect an unnatural cause. 1212 00:59:41,888 --> 00:59:44,166 Whether or not their tests will prove negative 1213 00:59:44,201 --> 00:59:46,479 depends upon a number of factors. 1214 00:59:46,513 --> 00:59:49,931 The situation is fraught with danger and uncertainty, 1215 00:59:49,965 --> 00:59:53,451 and I must watch the situation extremely closely. 1216 00:59:53,486 --> 00:59:56,075 If it seems inevitable that I shall be detected, 1217 00:59:56,109 --> 00:59:58,215 then I shall have to destroy myself. 1218 00:59:58,249 --> 01:00:01,528 [sombre music] 1219 01:00:01,563 --> 01:00:04,186 There is no alternative. 1220 01:00:04,221 --> 01:00:07,051 - He suggests that if suspicion starts 1221 01:00:07,086 --> 01:00:10,434 to address itself to him, he might have to commit suicide. 1222 01:00:10,468 --> 01:00:14,680 Although how serious he ever was about that is unknown. 1223 01:00:14,714 --> 01:00:18,407 But it's very clear that he's making notations 1224 01:00:18,442 --> 01:00:21,859 as he's carrying out scientific experiments 1225 01:00:21,894 --> 01:00:24,310 on a large number of his colleagues. 1226 01:00:24,344 --> 01:00:27,002 [sombre music] 1227 01:00:29,211 --> 01:00:31,075 - It was a chilling document. 1228 01:00:31,110 --> 01:00:34,803 On one occasion, he talks about David Tilson, 1229 01:00:35,770 --> 01:00:37,910 who was another victim, 1230 01:00:37,944 --> 01:00:41,914 and had become very ill too, lost his hair. 1231 01:00:41,948 --> 01:00:45,607 - [VO] "D's" condition continues to deteriorate. 1232 01:00:45,642 --> 01:00:47,091 He was admitted to hospital this morning 1233 01:00:47,126 --> 01:00:48,921 with paralysis of the legs. 1234 01:00:48,955 --> 01:00:52,269 The lower peripheral neuritis is now complete. 1235 01:00:52,303 --> 01:00:54,581 What other nerves, at present inflamed, 1236 01:00:54,616 --> 01:00:57,101 will become subject to major dysfunction 1237 01:00:57,136 --> 01:00:59,897 is not possible to estimate at present. 1238 01:00:59,932 --> 01:01:01,519 There is little danger to life, 1239 01:01:01,554 --> 01:01:04,591 barring unforeseen complications. 1240 01:01:04,626 --> 01:01:08,181 - David Tilson had been taken to hospital very soon 1241 01:01:08,216 --> 01:01:12,047 after ingesting some thallium. 1242 01:01:12,082 --> 01:01:17,018 And Young was saying in this diary 1243 01:01:17,052 --> 01:01:21,574 that he would perhaps take him a miniature brandy 1244 01:01:22,644 --> 01:01:25,751 to get on his right side. 1245 01:01:25,785 --> 01:01:27,925 - [VO] This would, I think, have been accepted, 1246 01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,894 and under my direction, hastily swallowed. 1247 01:01:31,722 --> 01:01:32,930 The bottle being returned to me 1248 01:01:32,965 --> 01:01:34,898 on the grounds entirely logical 1249 01:01:34,932 --> 01:01:37,245 that the nurses may otherwise discover the breach 1250 01:01:37,279 --> 01:01:38,695 of hospital discipline. 1251 01:01:40,075 --> 01:01:42,526 A precedent having been thus established, 1252 01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:43,734 I would, upon my second visit, 1253 01:01:43,769 --> 01:01:45,805 have produced an identical miniature 1254 01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,911 to be consumed in like manner. 1255 01:01:49,395 --> 01:01:52,191 The latter, however, would've been previously doctored, 1256 01:01:52,225 --> 01:01:54,158 and would within 48 hours have brought 1257 01:01:54,193 --> 01:01:57,299 about a deterioration of "D's" condition, 1258 01:01:57,334 --> 01:02:00,855 which, within a week, would've terminated in death. 1259 01:02:00,889 --> 01:02:02,511 - He said in the diary that he was gonna come 1260 01:02:02,546 --> 01:02:05,273 and visit me in hospital, which happily he never did, 1261 01:02:06,343 --> 01:02:09,484 and give me another dose to see me off, 1262 01:02:09,518 --> 01:02:12,349 because I hadn't taken all of the original dose 1263 01:02:12,383 --> 01:02:14,454 because I don't take sugar in tea. 1264 01:02:14,489 --> 01:02:16,180 And the tea that I was given was sugared, 1265 01:02:16,215 --> 01:02:19,080 which is the reason I'm here now talking to you. 1266 01:02:19,114 --> 01:02:21,945 And that's the only reason as far as I can see. 1267 01:02:21,979 --> 01:02:23,705 - [VO] October 31st. 1268 01:02:23,740 --> 01:02:26,121 "D," though he is now discharged from hospital, 1269 01:02:26,156 --> 01:02:27,398 is still unwell, 1270 01:02:27,433 --> 01:02:30,298 so I do not expect to see him for some time. 1271 01:02:30,332 --> 01:02:32,196 His illness was finally diagnosed 1272 01:02:32,231 --> 01:02:34,854 as an "unidentified virus." 1273 01:02:34,889 --> 01:02:37,236 - The diary gives us as much information 1274 01:02:37,270 --> 01:02:38,409 as we're ever likely to have 1275 01:02:38,444 --> 01:02:40,964 about Graham Young's actual motives. 1276 01:02:40,998 --> 01:02:43,967 One of the most distinctive aspects of thallium poisoning 1277 01:02:44,001 --> 01:02:46,832 is the complete loss of hair. 1278 01:02:46,866 --> 01:02:51,077 And when his victims started to show signs of alopecia, 1279 01:02:51,112 --> 01:02:54,460 Graham began to think, "I need to kill them quickly 1280 01:02:54,494 --> 01:02:59,051 so that the alopecia doesn't sort of move to completeness, 1281 01:02:59,085 --> 01:03:01,847 because that might lead the doctors to suspect 1282 01:03:01,881 --> 01:03:04,573 that it's thallium and not this Bovington bug. 1283 01:03:05,402 --> 01:03:06,610 - [VO] November 1st. 1284 01:03:06,644 --> 01:03:07,956 Some new developments: 1285 01:03:07,991 --> 01:03:11,304 "D" has relapsed and has been readmitted to hospital. 1286 01:03:11,339 --> 01:03:14,894 A fresh and, to me, disturbing symptom has appeared. 1287 01:03:14,929 --> 01:03:17,241 He has commenced to lose hair, 1288 01:03:17,276 --> 01:03:19,519 which, though at present only slight, 1289 01:03:19,554 --> 01:03:22,281 is likely to progress to alopecia totalis. 1290 01:03:22,315 --> 01:03:24,801 [ominous music] 1291 01:03:25,871 --> 01:03:27,527 - He's kind of challenging himself to see 1292 01:03:27,562 --> 01:03:30,668 how long he can continue poisoning this man. 1293 01:03:30,703 --> 01:03:34,396 How big would the dose be, but yet not kill him? 1294 01:03:34,431 --> 01:03:36,640 What would the cumulative effects be? 1295 01:03:36,674 --> 01:03:39,229 You can see that Graham is behaving both 1296 01:03:39,263 --> 01:03:41,887 as a potential murderer, 1297 01:03:41,921 --> 01:03:44,855 but also as a scientist who's deeply interested 1298 01:03:44,890 --> 01:03:47,720 in the scientific effects of his actions 1299 01:03:47,754 --> 01:03:50,102 with this particular poison. 1300 01:03:50,136 --> 01:03:52,863 - [VO] November 3rd. Disturbing events. 1301 01:03:52,898 --> 01:03:55,590 Apparently "D's" hair loss was almost total, 1302 01:03:55,624 --> 01:03:57,592 and the hospital authorities advanced the view 1303 01:03:57,626 --> 01:04:01,941 that "D's" illness may be due to "some kind of poisoning." 1304 01:04:01,976 --> 01:04:05,117 This is a very dangerous path for them to explore. 1305 01:04:06,532 --> 01:04:10,122 - Diana Smart was employed in the stores 1306 01:04:10,156 --> 01:04:13,746 after the death of Mr. Egle 1307 01:04:13,780 --> 01:04:17,025 and worked with Young and Mr. Biggs 1308 01:04:17,060 --> 01:04:20,132 as a storekeeper or assistant storekeeper. 1309 01:04:21,581 --> 01:04:26,655 - I was sent to see Diana Smart, who had been quite ill. 1310 01:04:27,277 --> 01:04:28,726 I had to tell her 1311 01:04:28,761 --> 01:04:32,834 that we were investigating the sickness at the factory. 1312 01:04:32,869 --> 01:04:36,734 A lot of people were putting it down to the water. 1313 01:04:36,769 --> 01:04:40,152 So she was rather surprised that I was insistent 1314 01:04:40,186 --> 01:04:42,257 on seeing her that night 1315 01:04:42,292 --> 01:04:44,915 rather than waiting for the next day, 1316 01:04:44,950 --> 01:04:48,160 - [VO] Di irritated me intensely yesterday. 1317 01:04:48,194 --> 01:04:50,645 I only gave her sufficient to shake her up, 1318 01:04:50,679 --> 01:04:53,130 though I now regret I didn't give her a larger dose, 1319 01:04:53,165 --> 01:04:55,926 capable of laying her up for a few days. 1320 01:04:55,961 --> 01:04:57,686 - He said about Diana Smart, 1321 01:04:57,721 --> 01:05:00,275 "I packed her off because she annoyed me." 1322 01:05:00,310 --> 01:05:04,728 And that would result in diarrhoea, sickness, 1323 01:05:04,762 --> 01:05:08,352 really strong pains in the stomach. 1324 01:05:08,387 --> 01:05:10,216 She had probably said something to him, 1325 01:05:10,251 --> 01:05:13,116 or he'd taken her the wrong way. 1326 01:05:13,150 --> 01:05:14,980 - [VO] There is much to communicate 1327 01:05:15,014 --> 01:05:16,498 since my last entry. 1328 01:05:16,533 --> 01:05:19,846 Di, who I afflicted with a mild attack of gastroenteritis 1329 01:05:19,881 --> 01:05:21,262 on October the 20th, 1330 01:05:21,296 --> 01:05:24,990 was subject to a further indisposition on the 22nd, 1331 01:05:25,024 --> 01:05:27,682 the results of which caused violent vomiting 1332 01:05:27,716 --> 01:05:30,409 and diarrhoea throughout the weekend. 1333 01:05:30,443 --> 01:05:33,308 I believe she's now suitably chastened. 1334 01:05:33,343 --> 01:05:37,485 - That was actually outside of his usual mode of operation. 1335 01:05:37,519 --> 01:05:41,592 That really didn't fit in with the Graham Young picture, 1336 01:05:41,627 --> 01:05:43,456 because he was much more concerned 1337 01:05:43,491 --> 01:05:46,597 with the scientific aspects of the process. 1338 01:05:47,944 --> 01:05:50,394 - Some of the writing, the prose within Graham's diary, 1339 01:05:50,429 --> 01:05:53,156 is almost poetic, but at the same time, 1340 01:05:53,190 --> 01:05:54,571 it's quite scientific. 1341 01:05:54,605 --> 01:05:58,057 There's not really that much emotion coming from him. 1342 01:05:58,092 --> 01:06:01,543 This reflects how indifferent and callous he was 1343 01:06:01,578 --> 01:06:03,269 to the lives of his victims. 1344 01:06:03,304 --> 01:06:06,169 [sombre music] 1345 01:06:06,203 --> 01:06:08,378 - [VO] "F," whom I grew to like, 1346 01:06:08,412 --> 01:06:11,277 has been the most recent subject of my attentions. 1347 01:06:11,312 --> 01:06:12,692 I've administered a fatal dose 1348 01:06:12,727 --> 01:06:15,109 of the "special compound" to him 1349 01:06:15,143 --> 01:06:17,628 and anticipate reports of his illness on Monday, 1350 01:06:17,663 --> 01:06:19,216 the 1st of November. 1351 01:06:19,251 --> 01:06:21,115 He should die within the week. 1352 01:06:21,149 --> 01:06:23,013 I gave him three separate doses, 1353 01:06:23,048 --> 01:06:25,429 each of about 5/6 grains. 1354 01:06:25,464 --> 01:06:28,674 The total absorbed should be about 15/16 grains, 1355 01:06:28,708 --> 01:06:31,608 which constitutes a lethal dose. 1356 01:06:33,334 --> 01:06:35,439 - The most basic principle of toxicology 1357 01:06:35,474 --> 01:06:38,028 is the dose makes the poison. 1358 01:06:38,063 --> 01:06:39,547 And what this means is that 1359 01:06:39,581 --> 01:06:41,583 with high enough amounts of something, 1360 01:06:41,618 --> 01:06:43,137 everything can be a poison. 1361 01:06:43,171 --> 01:06:45,035 That's how medicines work as well. 1362 01:06:45,070 --> 01:06:47,762 If you take one tablet of your medicine, 1363 01:06:47,796 --> 01:06:49,833 it does the effect that it's supposed to. 1364 01:06:49,867 --> 01:06:52,318 If you take a whole pack, 1365 01:06:52,353 --> 01:06:54,044 it'll have very bad effects. 1366 01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:56,081 The same thing happened with these poisons, 1367 01:06:56,115 --> 01:06:58,117 and that's why they were used as medicines back 1368 01:06:58,152 --> 01:06:59,532 in the day a lot. 1369 01:06:59,567 --> 01:07:03,260 If you had a very small dose, you would've been fine. 1370 01:07:03,295 --> 01:07:05,435 A higher dose would've been deadly. 1371 01:07:05,469 --> 01:07:08,024 [tense music] 1372 01:07:11,613 --> 01:07:14,306 - There's really no interest or care 1373 01:07:14,340 --> 01:07:16,653 for how the victims feel. 1374 01:07:16,687 --> 01:07:21,761 But he's not doing it specifically because he's a sadist, 1375 01:07:22,900 --> 01:07:24,212 or at least he would say that's not the reason. 1376 01:07:24,247 --> 01:07:27,457 It's because he wants to see how the poisons work. 1377 01:07:27,491 --> 01:07:30,770 And he enjoys the power that it gives him. 1378 01:07:30,805 --> 01:07:32,255 So the power of life and death, 1379 01:07:32,289 --> 01:07:34,395 deciding who will live, who will die, 1380 01:07:34,429 --> 01:07:36,121 how long all of this will take. 1381 01:07:36,155 --> 01:07:38,778 So yes, there's an element of sadism in it, 1382 01:07:38,813 --> 01:07:41,816 but from his perspective, he's a scientist. 1383 01:07:43,783 --> 01:07:45,095 - [VO] November 1st. 1384 01:07:45,130 --> 01:07:47,891 I can as yet report little of "F." 1385 01:07:47,925 --> 01:07:49,410 He was not at work today, 1386 01:07:49,444 --> 01:07:52,206 and his wife telephoned to say that he had caught a "bug" 1387 01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:54,863 and that she was taking him to the doctor. 1388 01:07:54,898 --> 01:07:57,763 As the dosage was divided into three separate quantities 1389 01:07:57,797 --> 01:07:59,868 spanning a period of 24 hours, 1390 01:07:59,903 --> 01:08:02,906 the onset was likely to have been less dramatic, 1391 01:08:02,940 --> 01:08:05,391 but a quite sudden deterioration 1392 01:08:05,426 --> 01:08:07,911 is to be expected leading to paralysis, 1393 01:08:07,945 --> 01:08:11,432 organic brain disease, and death within a week. 1394 01:08:11,466 --> 01:08:14,366 I shall be interested to see what transpires tomorrow. 1395 01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,334 [dramatic music] 1396 01:08:17,369 --> 01:08:19,302 - He is very technical in what he's writing. 1397 01:08:19,336 --> 01:08:22,650 It's very cold. You know, it's very short sentences. 1398 01:08:22,684 --> 01:08:25,273 And I think he's writing almost a sort of textbook, 1399 01:08:25,308 --> 01:08:28,138 a handbook, for himself or for others, 1400 01:08:28,173 --> 01:08:30,071 you know, if they want to replicate this behaviour 1401 01:08:30,106 --> 01:08:31,072 in the future. 1402 01:08:33,316 --> 01:08:36,388 - [VO] November 3rd. "F" is no better. 1403 01:08:36,422 --> 01:08:38,700 Apparently his symptoms are, at present, 1404 01:08:38,735 --> 01:08:41,047 principally gastrointestinal. 1405 01:08:41,082 --> 01:08:44,120 This should extend to include neurological symptoms 1406 01:08:44,154 --> 01:08:46,225 within a very short time now. 1407 01:08:46,260 --> 01:08:49,159 Such symptoms normally develop within four or five days 1408 01:08:49,194 --> 01:08:52,300 from the onset of gastro-enteric upset. 1409 01:08:52,335 --> 01:08:55,821 His doctor apparently believes that the illness is identical 1410 01:08:55,855 --> 01:08:58,064 to an outbreak of vomiting and diarrhoea, 1411 01:08:58,099 --> 01:09:00,412 which is presently sweeping the area. 1412 01:09:00,446 --> 01:09:02,068 - Graham was very critical of the way 1413 01:09:02,103 --> 01:09:04,485 that the doctors were caring for his victims, 1414 01:09:04,519 --> 01:09:06,728 the courses of action that they were taking. 1415 01:09:06,763 --> 01:09:09,800 And again, this really just shows his kind of snobbishness 1416 01:09:09,835 --> 01:09:11,285 for those experts. 1417 01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:13,425 The fact that he thinks that he knows better. 1418 01:09:13,459 --> 01:09:15,806 Because of course, by this time, he is a specialist. 1419 01:09:15,841 --> 01:09:18,361 He is an expert in administering poison. 1420 01:09:18,395 --> 01:09:20,984 So he probably has more knowledge 1421 01:09:21,018 --> 01:09:22,572 than the professionals do themselves 1422 01:09:22,606 --> 01:09:24,436 in this particular area. 1423 01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:27,749 - [VO] November 17th. I'm most annoyed. 1424 01:09:27,784 --> 01:09:29,199 The latest news from the hospital 1425 01:09:29,234 --> 01:09:32,375 is they think "F" is beginning to respond to treatment. 1426 01:09:32,409 --> 01:09:34,411 Of course, they're not yet certain 1427 01:09:34,446 --> 01:09:36,482 and a relapse is quite on the cards, 1428 01:09:36,517 --> 01:09:38,933 but it is still extremely annoying. 1429 01:09:38,967 --> 01:09:41,315 He's surviving far too long. 1430 01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:45,042 For my peace of mind, it is imperative that he passes on 1431 01:09:45,077 --> 01:09:48,011 before total alopecia sets in. 1432 01:09:48,045 --> 01:09:50,945 There is little of interest other than this. 1433 01:09:50,979 --> 01:09:53,119 I hope that my next entry records the fulfilment 1434 01:09:53,154 --> 01:09:55,329 of my wishes, or at the very least, 1435 01:09:55,363 --> 01:09:58,055 a sharp decline in F's condition. 1436 01:09:59,022 --> 01:10:00,230 - Thallium poisoning is one 1437 01:10:00,265 --> 01:10:04,269 of the most complex toxicities known to man. 1438 01:10:04,303 --> 01:10:05,960 Within the first few hours, 1439 01:10:05,994 --> 01:10:08,549 you would see more nonspecific symptoms, 1440 01:10:08,583 --> 01:10:12,000 like vomiting, diarrhoea, stomach cramps. 1441 01:10:12,035 --> 01:10:13,381 After two to five days, 1442 01:10:13,416 --> 01:10:16,177 you'll start getting a few more serious symptoms, 1443 01:10:16,212 --> 01:10:18,248 and that's when the nerves 1444 01:10:18,283 --> 01:10:20,561 in your extremities start being affected. 1445 01:10:20,595 --> 01:10:25,497 So you start getting tingly, you start getting pain, 1446 01:10:25,531 --> 01:10:28,569 you start getting your balance affected, 1447 01:10:28,603 --> 01:10:32,435 and you get almost a burning, very sharp pain in your feet, 1448 01:10:32,469 --> 01:10:34,713 your hands, up your legs. 1449 01:10:34,747 --> 01:10:39,407 After two weeks, the motor control progressively gets worse, 1450 01:10:39,442 --> 01:10:41,547 so it'll start affecting your whole body. 1451 01:10:41,582 --> 01:10:45,344 And of course, when it starts affecting your motor control, 1452 01:10:45,379 --> 01:10:48,313 it can also start to affect your heart, your lungs, 1453 01:10:48,347 --> 01:10:50,556 and that's when it can become lethal. 1454 01:10:50,591 --> 01:10:53,559 [gentle music] 1455 01:10:53,594 --> 01:10:55,181 I think it would've been very horrible 1456 01:10:55,216 --> 01:10:58,081 and prolonged as well, 1457 01:10:58,115 --> 01:11:01,291 because it wouldn't be something that kills you right away. 1458 01:11:01,326 --> 01:11:02,672 So it would've been a few weeks 1459 01:11:02,706 --> 01:11:05,778 of this pain getting progressively worse, 1460 01:11:05,813 --> 01:11:08,988 and people not being able to identify what was causing it. 1461 01:11:10,127 --> 01:11:12,302 - [Narrator] Care and proficiency are demanded 1462 01:11:12,337 --> 01:11:14,718 by the very nature of his work, 1463 01:11:14,753 --> 01:11:16,824 by the knowledge that in his hands 1464 01:11:16,858 --> 01:11:20,310 is the balance between sickness and health. 1465 01:11:20,345 --> 01:11:22,933 Sometimes between life and death. 1466 01:11:25,315 --> 01:11:28,767 - I was sent to see Mrs. Egle 1467 01:11:28,801 --> 01:11:33,565 to get her permission to exhume the ashes. 1468 01:11:33,599 --> 01:11:36,809 I was very worried because it was a big thing 1469 01:11:36,844 --> 01:11:40,054 to have to tell a widow who had believed 1470 01:11:40,088 --> 01:11:41,987 that he died naturally, 1471 01:11:42,021 --> 01:11:45,473 that in fact it was believed he may have been poisoned. 1472 01:11:45,508 --> 01:11:47,406 I was anxious all the way. 1473 01:11:49,374 --> 01:11:51,376 It wasn't very nice news to give, 1474 01:11:51,410 --> 01:11:55,449 but she was very good and very calm, really. 1475 01:11:55,483 --> 01:11:58,314 She'd accepted the fact that he had died, you know, 1476 01:11:59,660 --> 01:12:02,490 so it wasn't as difficult as it might have been. 1477 01:12:02,525 --> 01:12:03,940 I was able to get the statement 1478 01:12:03,974 --> 01:12:08,393 and to get permission from her to exhume his ashes. 1479 01:12:08,427 --> 01:12:11,050 Luckily, they had not been spread. 1480 01:12:11,085 --> 01:12:12,845 - Subsequently, of course, 1481 01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:17,954 in Mr. Egle's ashes was found thallium. 1482 01:12:19,196 --> 01:12:21,164 - For the first time in British criminal history, 1483 01:12:21,198 --> 01:12:25,824 evidence was based on traces of poison found in the ashes. 1484 01:12:25,858 --> 01:12:27,964 And that was the first time ever 1485 01:12:27,998 --> 01:12:31,347 such a thing had been done during a murder inquiry. 1486 01:12:31,381 --> 01:12:32,727 - It is absolutely fair to say 1487 01:12:32,762 --> 01:12:34,833 that had his ashes actually been scattered 1488 01:12:34,867 --> 01:12:36,421 following his funeral, 1489 01:12:36,455 --> 01:12:38,146 his murder would never have been detected, 1490 01:12:38,181 --> 01:12:42,461 exactly as Molly's murder was never properly detected. 1491 01:12:43,566 --> 01:12:46,362 - I went to see Fred Biggs' wife 1492 01:12:46,396 --> 01:12:49,123 to get as detailed statement from her, 1493 01:12:49,917 --> 01:12:51,746 which covered all his illnesses 1494 01:12:51,781 --> 01:12:54,853 from the time he first became sick. 1495 01:12:54,887 --> 01:12:56,233 - Fred Biggs' family were told 1496 01:12:56,268 --> 01:12:57,511 that they couldn't bury him yet 1497 01:12:57,545 --> 01:12:59,892 because of the ongoing investigation. 1498 01:12:59,927 --> 01:13:02,516 Of course, he was subject to an autopsy. 1499 01:13:02,550 --> 01:13:05,104 And when they examined his internal organs 1500 01:13:05,139 --> 01:13:07,900 and subject them to toxicological analysis, 1501 01:13:07,935 --> 01:13:09,799 thallium is detected. 1502 01:13:09,833 --> 01:13:12,733 - We knew then that we definitely had two murders 1503 01:13:12,767 --> 01:13:13,734 on our hands. 1504 01:13:13,768 --> 01:13:16,392 [sombre music] 1505 01:13:18,428 --> 01:13:21,120 - Normally, I wouldn't remember 1506 01:13:21,155 --> 01:13:26,229 who I met for the first time 52 years ago, 1507 01:13:27,541 --> 01:13:30,164 but obviously, Graham Young made quite an impact on me. 1508 01:13:30,198 --> 01:13:32,994 He was sitting in what was quite a small cell 1509 01:13:33,029 --> 01:13:34,548 at the bottom of the police station. 1510 01:13:34,582 --> 01:13:36,550 He was extremely polite. 1511 01:13:36,584 --> 01:13:40,657 He was a small man, sharpish features, 1512 01:13:40,692 --> 01:13:44,972 very similar to the photograph which he wanted published 1513 01:13:45,006 --> 01:13:48,251 because he thought it made him look, I don't know, evil. 1514 01:13:48,285 --> 01:13:49,597 But the fact of the matter 1515 01:13:49,632 --> 01:13:51,979 is he actually looked like that all of the time. 1516 01:13:52,013 --> 01:13:53,670 - [VO] I'll tell you about the two deaths 1517 01:13:53,705 --> 01:13:55,638 and about the sickness of the other two. 1518 01:13:55,672 --> 01:13:57,985 I cannot tell you the agent I used. 1519 01:13:58,019 --> 01:14:00,677 The whole story is too terrible. 1520 01:14:00,712 --> 01:14:03,369 You'll be disgusted and amazed. 1521 01:14:03,404 --> 01:14:06,821 - His interview, he was really toying with the officers 1522 01:14:06,856 --> 01:14:10,135 and playing on the fact that his knowledge 1523 01:14:10,169 --> 01:14:12,586 of poisons was such that, you know, 1524 01:14:12,620 --> 01:14:17,487 none of us would've been aware of the effects of poison. 1525 01:14:18,833 --> 01:14:20,041 - Graham was in his element. 1526 01:14:20,076 --> 01:14:22,665 He was cocky, he was proud. 1527 01:14:22,699 --> 01:14:25,081 He wanted to explain to the police the effects 1528 01:14:25,115 --> 01:14:28,567 of these poisons, and he wanted someone who would listen. 1529 01:14:28,602 --> 01:14:31,397 And that's interesting, very interesting. 1530 01:14:31,432 --> 01:14:34,228 Because he was rather proud of his achievements, 1531 01:14:34,262 --> 01:14:35,919 and he wanted to share them. 1532 01:14:35,954 --> 01:14:39,751 Probably he wanted to just show off a little bit. 1533 01:14:39,785 --> 01:14:41,856 - He might have tried to convince me 1534 01:14:43,409 --> 01:14:48,207 or educate me on poisons and their effects, 1535 01:14:48,242 --> 01:14:52,108 et cetera, but it wasn't my interest. 1536 01:14:52,142 --> 01:14:54,835 [sombre music] 1537 01:14:54,869 --> 01:14:56,250 - In questioning Graham, 1538 01:14:56,284 --> 01:14:58,563 the police had noted that his diary referred 1539 01:14:58,597 --> 01:15:02,498 to having observed two previously fatal cases. 1540 01:15:04,154 --> 01:15:06,778 - [VO] The case interests me greatly 1541 01:15:06,812 --> 01:15:09,608 as it affords me an opportunity to observe the effects 1542 01:15:09,643 --> 01:15:11,714 of a sub lethal dosage. 1543 01:15:14,371 --> 01:15:16,650 My previous experience of the drug has been only 1544 01:15:16,684 --> 01:15:19,549 of lethal doses, which in both instances led 1545 01:15:19,584 --> 01:15:21,827 to rapid deterioration and death. 1546 01:15:23,519 --> 01:15:26,073 - At the point at which this entry in the diary was made, 1547 01:15:26,107 --> 01:15:28,593 only Bob Egle had died. 1548 01:15:28,627 --> 01:15:32,182 So the police were wondering, who is the other victim? 1549 01:15:32,217 --> 01:15:35,082 And Graham confessed. It was my stepmother. 1550 01:15:35,116 --> 01:15:38,050 - [VO and Katherine] I killed her with thallium in 1962. 1551 01:15:39,811 --> 01:15:41,467 - During the inquiry, 1552 01:15:41,502 --> 01:15:45,782 it was known that Young's stepmother had died 1553 01:15:45,817 --> 01:15:47,646 when he was about 13. 1554 01:15:47,681 --> 01:15:51,926 It was decided initially to look at this again. 1555 01:15:51,961 --> 01:15:54,032 For whatever reason, thereafter, 1556 01:15:54,066 --> 01:15:56,759 which was above my station, 1557 01:15:56,793 --> 01:15:59,106 it was decided not to pursue it. 1558 01:15:59,969 --> 01:16:01,557 He was charged, obviously, 1559 01:16:01,591 --> 01:16:05,491 first with the murder of Mr. Biggs, 1560 01:16:05,526 --> 01:16:10,566 and subsequently with the murder of Mr. Egle; 1561 01:16:11,394 --> 01:16:15,087 and then two attempted murders 1562 01:16:15,122 --> 01:16:20,196 by poisoning with thallium on David Tilson and Jethro Batt. 1563 01:16:21,300 --> 01:16:24,649 He was also charged with various offences 1564 01:16:24,683 --> 01:16:29,136 of administering poison to other employees. 1565 01:16:31,138 --> 01:16:34,106 - Although the charges were quite complicated 1566 01:16:34,141 --> 01:16:36,212 and obviously very, very serious, 1567 01:16:37,593 --> 01:16:40,561 Graham Young understood exactly what he was charged with. 1568 01:16:41,666 --> 01:16:43,875 He totally understood the level of evidence 1569 01:16:43,909 --> 01:16:46,118 that had to be found against him, 1570 01:16:46,153 --> 01:16:49,570 that he had to be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. 1571 01:16:49,605 --> 01:16:50,882 And even more so, 1572 01:16:50,916 --> 01:16:53,643 he understood the technical side of the trial. 1573 01:16:53,678 --> 01:16:54,886 By that I mean, of course, 1574 01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:58,406 the scientific evidence, the chemical evidence, 1575 01:16:58,441 --> 01:17:01,755 and the details of the finding of the poisons 1576 01:17:01,789 --> 01:17:03,826 in either the bodies or the ashes 1577 01:17:03,860 --> 01:17:05,344 of the individuals involved. 1578 01:17:06,587 --> 01:17:08,900 - [Mr. Harvey] Do you feel any remorse? 1579 01:17:10,142 --> 01:17:13,421 - [VO] No, Mr. Harvey, that would be hypocritical. 1580 01:17:13,456 --> 01:17:17,011 What I feel is emptiness of my soul. 1581 01:17:17,046 --> 01:17:21,602 - In those days, if you were charged with an offence 1582 01:17:21,637 --> 01:17:26,227 and were remanded in custody, you had to be returned 1583 01:17:26,262 --> 01:17:30,300 to the magistrate's court every week to be resentenced, 1584 01:17:30,335 --> 01:17:31,439 so to speak. 1585 01:17:31,474 --> 01:17:33,096 So Young would be coming back. 1586 01:17:33,131 --> 01:17:37,100 He would be taken by prison van from Brixton Prison. 1587 01:17:37,135 --> 01:17:41,553 I always remember when he'd come back after the Christmas, 1588 01:17:41,587 --> 01:17:44,107 said, "Oh, Graham, how did your Christmas go?" 1589 01:17:44,142 --> 01:17:46,523 And he would never give you a straight answer. 1590 01:17:47,732 --> 01:17:50,942 But he sort of thought for a while and then said, 1591 01:17:52,219 --> 01:17:55,118 "Well, let me put it this way. 1592 01:17:55,153 --> 01:17:58,639 It wouldn't have done Cromwell justice." 1593 01:17:58,674 --> 01:18:00,917 And I'm still thinking about that, what he meant. 1594 01:18:00,952 --> 01:18:03,506 [sombre music] 1595 01:18:03,540 --> 01:18:06,026 - It was my job to go and see Graham Young 1596 01:18:06,060 --> 01:18:07,752 at Brixton Prison. 1597 01:18:07,786 --> 01:18:09,374 And I used to do that, I would think, 1598 01:18:09,408 --> 01:18:12,273 probably two or three times a month. 1599 01:18:12,308 --> 01:18:14,310 One day, to my surprise, 1600 01:18:14,344 --> 01:18:18,832 Graham produced a tube of sweets from his jacket pocket 1601 01:18:19,798 --> 01:18:20,868 and offered me one. 1602 01:18:22,214 --> 01:18:26,563 Now, this was an interesting situation for me. 1603 01:18:26,598 --> 01:18:28,220 So I looked at him. 1604 01:18:28,255 --> 01:18:29,601 I thought, "This man's charged 1605 01:18:29,635 --> 01:18:32,708 with poisoning his family and his friends." 1606 01:18:32,742 --> 01:18:34,640 And as I looked at him, he said, 1607 01:18:34,675 --> 01:18:36,884 "Peter, what are you worried about? 1608 01:18:36,919 --> 01:18:40,060 You don't think that I'd poison my lawyer, do you?" 1609 01:18:40,094 --> 01:18:43,753 And I said, "Well, no, maybe not." 1610 01:18:44,996 --> 01:18:46,480 And I think the only thing that makes sense here 1611 01:18:46,514 --> 01:18:50,898 with my reaction is that I was nearly 22 at the time. 1612 01:18:51,934 --> 01:18:54,005 I was a young, macho man, 1613 01:18:54,039 --> 01:18:57,353 and I wasn't going to have him have one over on me. 1614 01:18:57,387 --> 01:19:01,288 So I took the sweet, I ate it, I went home, 1615 01:19:01,322 --> 01:19:03,704 and I stayed as close to a telephone as I possibly could 1616 01:19:03,739 --> 01:19:05,430 for the next 48 hours. 1617 01:19:05,464 --> 01:19:07,604 [sombre music] 1618 01:19:07,639 --> 01:19:10,193 - [VO] At present, I exist in a sort of limbo, 1619 01:19:12,609 --> 01:19:15,716 my remand having finished and my trial yet to come. 1620 01:19:17,580 --> 01:19:19,340 I can imagine how anxious you are 1621 01:19:19,375 --> 01:19:21,308 to see the whole thing finished with. 1622 01:19:22,792 --> 01:19:26,589 I too wish to see the end of this unfortunate episode. 1623 01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:29,834 I trust that it will end in victory. 1624 01:19:29,868 --> 01:19:32,043 The alternative would be the finish of me. 1625 01:19:33,907 --> 01:19:36,288 - In the intervening decades since his first trial 1626 01:19:36,323 --> 01:19:38,981 at the Old Bailey, Graham had learned a thing or two. 1627 01:19:39,015 --> 01:19:41,466 In 1962, he pleaded guilty, 1628 01:19:41,500 --> 01:19:43,813 and there was therefore very little publicity. 1629 01:19:43,848 --> 01:19:47,817 In 1972, he deliberately pleaded not guilty 1630 01:19:47,852 --> 01:19:50,716 so that there would be a trial in open court. 1631 01:19:50,751 --> 01:19:52,028 And of course, it was subject 1632 01:19:52,063 --> 01:19:54,306 to a lot of journalistic interest. 1633 01:19:54,341 --> 01:19:56,550 - I think that he's actually quite narcissistic 1634 01:19:56,584 --> 01:19:57,827 and quite arrogant, 1635 01:19:57,862 --> 01:20:00,243 and I think he wanted the glory of the trial. 1636 01:20:00,278 --> 01:20:02,038 - Maybe he was thinking that he wanted 1637 01:20:02,073 --> 01:20:05,386 to go down in history, just like his childhood idols, 1638 01:20:05,421 --> 01:20:07,526 William Palmer and Dr. Crippen, 1639 01:20:07,561 --> 01:20:11,461 both of whom still were talked about, really, 1640 01:20:11,496 --> 01:20:12,911 even by members of the public. 1641 01:20:12,946 --> 01:20:16,570 I think Graham wanted to be better known than they were, 1642 01:20:16,604 --> 01:20:18,261 for everyone to know his name. 1643 01:20:18,296 --> 01:20:21,678 That was his ultimate goal. He's reverting back to type. 1644 01:20:21,713 --> 01:20:24,958 He's always wanted to be a famous poisoner, 1645 01:20:24,992 --> 01:20:26,891 like a comic book villain, 1646 01:20:26,925 --> 01:20:30,722 and he wants the world to know what he has achieved. 1647 01:20:30,756 --> 01:20:32,517 - [VO] Make me so famous that I wind up 1648 01:20:32,551 --> 01:20:35,451 in the Chamber of Horrors at Madame Tussauds. 1649 01:20:35,485 --> 01:20:39,765 I want to go down in history as a really famous murderer. 1650 01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:44,391 - Graham Young's demeanour at the trial was interesting 1651 01:20:44,425 --> 01:20:47,221 because he was confident throughout. 1652 01:20:48,326 --> 01:20:50,846 He was confident because of his knowledge 1653 01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:52,986 of the various issues involved. 1654 01:20:53,020 --> 01:20:55,816 He was confident because of his knowledge of the products 1655 01:20:55,851 --> 01:20:58,681 that he was supposed to have poisoned people with. 1656 01:20:59,889 --> 01:21:01,822 And I think, above all, he was confident 1657 01:21:01,857 --> 01:21:04,066 because he was exactly where he wanted to be 1658 01:21:04,100 --> 01:21:06,137 at that particular time: 1659 01:21:06,171 --> 01:21:09,381 at the centre of attention of a serious trial. 1660 01:21:10,969 --> 01:21:13,592 - Graham's trial started in June 1972 1661 01:21:13,627 --> 01:21:15,456 at St. Albans Crown Court, 1662 01:21:15,491 --> 01:21:17,734 and the police felt quite certain 1663 01:21:17,769 --> 01:21:21,359 that the diary was going to be foolproof evidence 1664 01:21:21,393 --> 01:21:23,464 to convict this serial poisoner. 1665 01:21:24,431 --> 01:21:26,019 - [VO] It is set out in diary form, 1666 01:21:26,053 --> 01:21:28,262 but it is not a number of entries set out over a period 1667 01:21:28,297 --> 01:21:29,885 of days or weeks. 1668 01:21:29,919 --> 01:21:33,026 It is a document which was completed on one occasion. 1669 01:21:33,060 --> 01:21:36,132 The diary, as it were, was the exposition of a theory, 1670 01:21:36,167 --> 01:21:39,480 not one I seriously held, a somewhat fanciful one, 1671 01:21:39,515 --> 01:21:42,311 which I outlined for my own amusement, 1672 01:21:42,345 --> 01:21:44,347 although that's not a very apt word. 1673 01:21:45,762 --> 01:21:50,319 - The excuse he gave for his diary, 1674 01:21:50,353 --> 01:21:51,596 as it was called, 1675 01:21:51,630 --> 01:21:54,910 was that he was considering writing a book. 1676 01:21:56,290 --> 01:21:57,705 And these were just notes. 1677 01:21:57,740 --> 01:22:00,950 He was using his workmates just 1678 01:22:00,985 --> 01:22:05,921 as possible victims in the book. 1679 01:22:06,991 --> 01:22:08,509 - [VO] The illnesses were unusual in origin, 1680 01:22:08,544 --> 01:22:11,616 and many of us were naturally concerned to know their cause. 1681 01:22:12,582 --> 01:22:14,343 A number of things sprang to mind, 1682 01:22:14,377 --> 01:22:16,345 one being virus infection. 1683 01:22:16,379 --> 01:22:18,140 Something that also sprang to mind, 1684 01:22:18,174 --> 01:22:20,901 well, to my mind, at any rate, 1685 01:22:20,936 --> 01:22:23,179 was the similarity of symptoms displayed 1686 01:22:23,214 --> 01:22:24,456 by people at the firm 1687 01:22:24,491 --> 01:22:27,666 and the symptoms of heavy metal poisoning. 1688 01:22:27,701 --> 01:22:31,118 In consequence, I decided to elaborate my theory 1689 01:22:31,153 --> 01:22:32,671 and suggest circumstances 1690 01:22:32,706 --> 01:22:35,122 under which these things could have come about. 1691 01:22:36,399 --> 01:22:40,093 - Without a doubt, this so-called diary wasn't a diary, 1692 01:22:40,127 --> 01:22:42,578 it was all written on one day, 1693 01:22:42,612 --> 01:22:45,443 and that it was meant to be the beginning or the basis 1694 01:22:45,477 --> 01:22:48,239 for a work of fiction that he was gonna write. 1695 01:22:48,273 --> 01:22:51,173 - [Narrator] The chemist is the optimist of the world. 1696 01:22:51,207 --> 01:22:53,002 For him, there is no stick or stone, 1697 01:22:53,037 --> 01:22:56,385 but what may yield, under analysis and synthesis, 1698 01:22:56,419 --> 01:22:59,250 the promise of some great sickness cured. 1699 01:22:59,284 --> 01:23:00,527 [sombre music] 1700 01:23:00,561 --> 01:23:02,391 - The prosecution's case was 1701 01:23:02,425 --> 01:23:05,014 that he had bought these poisons 1702 01:23:05,049 --> 01:23:07,568 for the purposes of poisoning individuals. 1703 01:23:07,603 --> 01:23:10,882 Graham always said that he had the chemicals, 1704 01:23:10,916 --> 01:23:13,505 he preferred that word rather than poisons, 1705 01:23:13,540 --> 01:23:14,644 with him for the purpose 1706 01:23:14,679 --> 01:23:17,199 of carrying out chemistry experiments, 1707 01:23:17,233 --> 01:23:21,030 which, as we know, he had been doing right and wrong 1708 01:23:21,065 --> 01:23:22,342 for many years by then. 1709 01:23:22,376 --> 01:23:24,447 The most interesting part of the trial was 1710 01:23:24,482 --> 01:23:28,727 when Graham Young was cross-examined by Mr. Leonard, 1711 01:23:28,762 --> 01:23:31,385 who was the QC representing the prosecution. 1712 01:23:31,420 --> 01:23:33,663 - Graham did show off his intellect, 1713 01:23:33,698 --> 01:23:35,527 and he was actually quite bright, 1714 01:23:35,562 --> 01:23:39,738 by making the prosecuting barrister look a complete idiot 1715 01:23:39,773 --> 01:23:44,226 by asking him a question something along the lines of, 1716 01:23:44,260 --> 01:23:47,332 "Do you really believe that a serial poisoner 1717 01:23:47,367 --> 01:23:49,852 would do such a thing, Your Honour?" 1718 01:23:50,922 --> 01:23:52,268 And the barrister said, "I don't know. 1719 01:23:52,303 --> 01:23:55,616 I've never met a serial poisoner." 1720 01:23:55,651 --> 01:23:58,136 And Graham said, "Thank you, sir." 1721 01:23:59,655 --> 01:24:01,381 - And he bowed at him. 1722 01:24:01,415 --> 01:24:02,899 And Mr. Leonard, 1723 01:24:02,934 --> 01:24:05,868 obviously realising that Graham had got the better of him, 1724 01:24:05,902 --> 01:24:09,975 suddenly shuffled his papers, made some general remarks, 1725 01:24:10,010 --> 01:24:12,219 and backed away from the battle. 1726 01:24:12,254 --> 01:24:14,497 It was an extraordinary experience. 1727 01:24:14,532 --> 01:24:18,191 There's no doubt at all that Graham Young enjoyed his trial. 1728 01:24:18,225 --> 01:24:21,539 It was generally a situation that almost his whole life 1729 01:24:21,573 --> 01:24:23,679 had been leading up to, I suspect. 1730 01:24:23,713 --> 01:24:25,474 And he made the best of it. 1731 01:24:25,508 --> 01:24:26,889 - I think in court, 1732 01:24:26,923 --> 01:24:30,168 Graham is showcasing the classic signs of a psychopath. 1733 01:24:30,203 --> 01:24:33,654 You know, he's arrogant, he's detached. 1734 01:24:33,689 --> 01:24:36,174 He's enjoying his notoriety. 1735 01:24:36,209 --> 01:24:39,384 He's feeling superior to others. 1736 01:24:39,419 --> 01:24:42,284 You know, he's revelling in this type of attention, 1737 01:24:42,318 --> 01:24:43,630 but he's also snobbish. 1738 01:24:43,664 --> 01:24:45,494 You know, he believes he knows better. 1739 01:24:45,528 --> 01:24:46,978 He believes he's above the law, 1740 01:24:47,012 --> 01:24:49,532 because until this point, he has been above the law. 1741 01:24:49,567 --> 01:24:51,465 Why would this time be any different? 1742 01:24:52,259 --> 01:24:53,605 - And so this afternoon, 1743 01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:56,574 a quiet, intelligent, rather studious young man 1744 01:24:56,608 --> 01:25:00,647 of 24 joined the shortlist of notorious British poisoners 1745 01:25:00,681 --> 01:25:01,751 through the ages. 1746 01:25:01,786 --> 01:25:03,374 One can now add the name of the man 1747 01:25:03,408 --> 01:25:06,894 who studied and idolised them all, Graham Young. 1748 01:25:06,929 --> 01:25:12,003 - He was found guilty on six of the eight charges, 1749 01:25:13,108 --> 01:25:15,282 and he was sentenced to life imprisonment. 1750 01:25:15,317 --> 01:25:17,457 - One of the main parts of his instructions 1751 01:25:17,491 --> 01:25:21,461 to us was that in the event he was found guilty, 1752 01:25:21,495 --> 01:25:24,774 and obviously, a custodial sentence was inevitable, 1753 01:25:24,809 --> 01:25:26,949 that he would go to a normal prison 1754 01:25:26,983 --> 01:25:30,055 and not be sent back to a mental hospital. 1755 01:25:30,090 --> 01:25:33,611 When he got the verdict of a life sentence 1756 01:25:33,645 --> 01:25:36,303 and being committed to a normal prison, 1757 01:25:36,338 --> 01:25:38,374 he was, strangely enough, 1758 01:25:38,409 --> 01:25:41,377 extremely happy with that verdict. 1759 01:25:41,412 --> 01:25:43,276 Bearing in mind that he'd been found guilty, 1760 01:25:43,310 --> 01:25:45,416 it was exactly what he wanted. 1761 01:25:45,450 --> 01:25:47,245 So maybe even at the end of the trial, 1762 01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:48,867 he got his way as well. 1763 01:25:48,902 --> 01:25:51,905 - I think the fact that Graham was very keen 1764 01:25:51,939 --> 01:25:53,355 to go to a prison rather 1765 01:25:53,389 --> 01:25:56,461 than a mental institution really highlights the fact 1766 01:25:56,496 --> 01:25:59,740 that he was very, very keen to be seen as evil. 1767 01:25:59,775 --> 01:26:02,847 You know, this criminal mastermind who, you know, 1768 01:26:02,881 --> 01:26:04,780 was in full control of what he's doing. 1769 01:26:04,814 --> 01:26:07,023 He was very rational about that. 1770 01:26:07,058 --> 01:26:09,025 You know, he didn't want to be seen as someone 1771 01:26:09,060 --> 01:26:11,925 who was suffering from severe mental health problems. 1772 01:26:11,959 --> 01:26:13,168 Because then, of course, 1773 01:26:13,202 --> 01:26:15,894 he's labelled as sick and ill and crazy 1774 01:26:15,929 --> 01:26:19,277 when he wants to be fully in control of the situation. 1775 01:26:19,312 --> 01:26:21,417 He wants to be the evil mastermind. 1776 01:26:22,763 --> 01:26:25,145 - Because of the legal requirements, 1777 01:26:25,180 --> 01:26:27,561 the Broadmoor history could not be revealed 1778 01:26:27,596 --> 01:26:29,045 at the trial itself 1779 01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:33,809 because it would obviously be prejudicial information. 1780 01:26:35,190 --> 01:26:37,537 And so the jury was completely ignorant of Graham's past 1781 01:26:37,571 --> 01:26:41,334 when they actually came to their conclusions about him. 1782 01:26:41,368 --> 01:26:42,714 - At that particular point, 1783 01:26:42,749 --> 01:26:44,751 it was announced that Graham Young 1784 01:26:44,785 --> 01:26:49,307 not only had previous convictions for poisoning people, 1785 01:26:49,342 --> 01:26:52,379 but also that he had been released from Broadmoor after, 1786 01:26:52,414 --> 01:26:55,348 I think, less than 10 years in there, 1787 01:26:56,763 --> 01:27:01,112 with his psychiatrist stating that he was no longer a risk. 1788 01:27:01,146 --> 01:27:05,910 Obviously, this was gonna cause a major political clamour, 1789 01:27:05,944 --> 01:27:07,291 and this duly happened. 1790 01:27:07,325 --> 01:27:08,878 - Immediately after the case, 1791 01:27:08,913 --> 01:27:11,674 the home secretary, Reginald Maudling, 1792 01:27:11,709 --> 01:27:14,401 instigated a review of the procedures 1793 01:27:14,436 --> 01:27:17,024 for releasing prisoners from Broadmoor 1794 01:27:17,059 --> 01:27:19,786 and other similar institutions. 1795 01:27:19,820 --> 01:27:23,272 The reforms also included new measures 1796 01:27:23,307 --> 01:27:28,346 regarding the sale of poisons over the counter. 1797 01:27:29,485 --> 01:27:30,935 - There's a catalogue of mistakes that occurred 1798 01:27:30,969 --> 01:27:34,352 that allowed Graham to go on his second poisoning spree 1799 01:27:34,387 --> 01:27:36,251 after he left Broadmoor. 1800 01:27:36,285 --> 01:27:39,150 The most obvious one is a lack of communication. 1801 01:27:39,184 --> 01:27:43,154 I think that the authorities should have had more 1802 01:27:43,188 --> 01:27:45,536 of an effort to kind of communicate with each other, 1803 01:27:45,570 --> 01:27:48,366 to let probation, the police services, 1804 01:27:48,401 --> 01:27:52,094 even his potential future employers know about his history 1805 01:27:52,128 --> 01:27:53,716 to keep everybody safe. 1806 01:27:55,339 --> 01:27:56,685 - I think, in retrospect, 1807 01:27:56,719 --> 01:28:01,137 that was the most staggering aspect of the case. 1808 01:28:01,172 --> 01:28:03,899 That first of all, that he had been released, 1809 01:28:03,933 --> 01:28:06,177 and should never have been released. 1810 01:28:06,211 --> 01:28:10,181 Even his own father argued against his release. 1811 01:28:10,215 --> 01:28:13,943 But nevertheless, the psychiatrists at Broadmoor insisted 1812 01:28:13,978 --> 01:28:16,049 that he was perfectly safe. 1813 01:28:16,083 --> 01:28:18,189 There wasn't even a pause, really, 1814 01:28:18,223 --> 01:28:21,744 between his release from Broadmoor 1815 01:28:21,779 --> 01:28:23,367 and his poisoning activities. 1816 01:28:23,401 --> 01:28:24,954 I mean, he went straight back into it. 1817 01:28:24,989 --> 01:28:28,682 It was perfectly natural for him to do that. 1818 01:28:28,717 --> 01:28:31,582 And I think that's really the one feature of the case 1819 01:28:31,616 --> 01:28:34,964 that people were appalled about. 1820 01:28:34,999 --> 01:28:36,656 And I think that's why the government 1821 01:28:36,690 --> 01:28:39,072 of the day took it so seriously 1822 01:28:39,106 --> 01:28:42,800 and instantly introduced reforms 1823 01:28:42,834 --> 01:28:45,975 to make sure that such a thing never happened again. 1824 01:28:46,010 --> 01:28:49,047 [grim music] 1825 01:28:49,082 --> 01:28:51,153 - Maybe 15 years after the trial, 1826 01:28:52,361 --> 01:28:54,812 I went to Madame Tussauds with my children. 1827 01:28:54,846 --> 01:28:56,331 I was in there looking around, 1828 01:28:56,365 --> 01:28:59,368 and I suddenly found myself face to face with Graham Young, 1829 01:28:59,403 --> 01:29:01,059 life size and in wax. 1830 01:29:02,302 --> 01:29:05,167 I was totally shocked. I had no idea he was there. 1831 01:29:05,201 --> 01:29:07,721 Wasn't somebody I'd expected to see there, 1832 01:29:07,756 --> 01:29:10,345 and it was really a very, very strange experience. 1833 01:29:13,106 --> 01:29:14,797 - The fact that he was there 1834 01:29:14,832 --> 01:29:17,386 alongside people like Crippen and Palmer 1835 01:29:17,421 --> 01:29:18,767 and all the rest of them, 1836 01:29:18,801 --> 01:29:20,389 that might have appealed to him. 1837 01:29:20,424 --> 01:29:22,909 And I'm sure that gave him much pleasure. 1838 01:29:22,943 --> 01:29:24,566 - Yeah, he's melted down now, 1839 01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:27,672 which is the best idea that could have happened. 1840 01:29:27,707 --> 01:29:30,365 - [Narrator] A solution may be safe in a cylindrical vessel 1841 01:29:30,399 --> 01:29:31,400 because of its shape. 1842 01:29:31,435 --> 01:29:33,160 But in a spherical one, 1843 01:29:34,438 --> 01:29:37,613 the result could be disastrous. 1844 01:29:37,648 --> 01:29:41,410 - Graham Young died at the age of 42 1845 01:29:41,445 --> 01:29:45,518 of a heart attack whilst in Parkhurst Prison. 1846 01:29:45,552 --> 01:29:47,520 There are many thoughts that he, 1847 01:29:47,554 --> 01:29:51,489 in fact, died of poisoning himself. 1848 01:29:51,524 --> 01:29:56,598 - It's just possible that he either died at his own hands, 1849 01:29:57,564 --> 01:29:59,497 or was poisoned by his colleagues. 1850 01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:01,810 I don't think there's any doubt 1851 01:30:01,844 --> 01:30:04,778 that there would've been a lot of disquiet in the prison 1852 01:30:04,813 --> 01:30:06,470 about his presence. 1853 01:30:06,504 --> 01:30:08,437 - 42 does seem exceptionally young 1854 01:30:08,472 --> 01:30:10,819 for somebody to have a heart attack, 1855 01:30:10,853 --> 01:30:13,994 unless they've got some sort of cardiac pathology. 1856 01:30:14,029 --> 01:30:15,444 So if he did poison himself, 1857 01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:18,413 it almost seems like quite a fitting end to the story. 1858 01:30:18,447 --> 01:30:20,484 It's almost like he's managed to go full circle. 1859 01:30:20,518 --> 01:30:23,348 And if he managed to do it in prison, 1860 01:30:23,383 --> 01:30:25,799 that's actually, you know, quite clever. 1861 01:30:25,834 --> 01:30:27,801 It's quite an achievement to be able to get the poison in 1862 01:30:27,836 --> 01:30:29,838 and to be able to do it in a way 1863 01:30:29,872 --> 01:30:32,944 that it wasn't detected in the autopsy. 1864 01:30:32,979 --> 01:30:35,637 Almost feels like one final achievement 1865 01:30:35,671 --> 01:30:38,916 in being able to outwit the authorities. 1866 01:30:38,950 --> 01:30:40,849 - The hardest thing to understand 1867 01:30:40,883 --> 01:30:44,266 about this whole experience, 1868 01:30:44,300 --> 01:30:47,096 all the activities of Graham Young, 1869 01:30:47,131 --> 01:30:49,202 what happened at home and then later what happened 1870 01:30:49,236 --> 01:30:51,929 at Hadlands in Bovington, 1871 01:30:51,963 --> 01:30:53,931 is exactly why all this was happening. 1872 01:30:55,553 --> 01:30:59,108 Most people kill people or attempt to kill people 1873 01:30:59,143 --> 01:31:02,215 because they hate them, 1874 01:31:02,249 --> 01:31:04,320 are in a major argument with them, 1875 01:31:04,355 --> 01:31:07,427 or need them gone for their own financial benefit. 1876 01:31:07,462 --> 01:31:09,325 But Graham Young's case was totally 1877 01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:11,396 and utterly different from all of those. 1878 01:31:11,431 --> 01:31:16,471 He was, in essence, a scientist without any morals, 1879 01:31:17,679 --> 01:31:21,027 without any sense of society or how to behave, 1880 01:31:21,061 --> 01:31:23,408 and basically started poisoning people 1881 01:31:23,443 --> 01:31:25,756 for one reason and one reason only: 1882 01:31:25,790 --> 01:31:28,310 to see the effect the poison, 1883 01:31:28,344 --> 01:31:31,382 and the different doses of it, had upon individual people. 1884 01:31:32,694 --> 01:31:35,455 - [VO] You are suggesting I'm some kind of monster, 1885 01:31:35,490 --> 01:31:39,355 a mass murderer who just poisons people regardless. 1886 01:31:39,390 --> 01:31:41,737 This is not so. 1887 01:31:41,772 --> 01:31:44,360 I suppose I'd cease to see them as people, 1888 01:31:44,395 --> 01:31:47,847 or, more correctly, a part of me had. 1889 01:31:47,881 --> 01:31:49,849 They became Guinea pigs. 1890 01:31:50,884 --> 01:31:52,196 - You could look at him and see 1891 01:31:52,230 --> 01:31:55,061 that he was a wrong'un in way or another, 1892 01:31:55,095 --> 01:31:57,442 and he did have a sinister look about him. 1893 01:31:58,616 --> 01:32:01,101 And that's true of most mass murderers, 1894 01:32:01,136 --> 01:32:03,276 really, when you think about it. 1895 01:32:03,310 --> 01:32:05,658 They rarely look like choir boys, do they? 1896 01:32:05,692 --> 01:32:07,383 [sombre music] 1897 01:32:07,418 --> 01:32:10,835 - Graham didn't really see 1898 01:32:10,870 --> 01:32:14,563 that what he was doing was utterly and completely wrong. 1899 01:32:15,564 --> 01:32:17,635 He was like every other scientist. 1900 01:32:17,670 --> 01:32:19,775 He was carrying out his experiments. 1901 01:32:20,604 --> 01:32:22,364 So would he have stopped? 1902 01:32:22,398 --> 01:32:24,608 I don't see why he would've done. 1903 01:32:24,642 --> 01:32:26,506 Normal scientists don't stop, do they? 1904 01:32:26,541 --> 01:32:27,714 They go back to work, 1905 01:32:27,749 --> 01:32:29,820 and they get going again the next morning. 1906 01:32:29,854 --> 01:32:32,477 I think the man was extremely dangerous. 1907 01:32:32,512 --> 01:32:35,998 Anybody unlucky enough to be near him 1908 01:32:36,033 --> 01:32:40,520 when he was at large was in a great deal of danger. 1909 01:32:40,555 --> 01:32:43,419 I was lucky I only ever met him when he was behind bars. 1910 01:32:44,904 --> 01:32:48,045 - Had he not been caught, I think Graham would've kept going 1911 01:32:48,079 --> 01:32:51,600 because he was obsessive about poisons. 1912 01:32:51,635 --> 01:32:53,775 I think that's what he did. 1913 01:32:53,809 --> 01:32:56,743 It's as simple as that. That's what he was all about. 1914 01:32:56,778 --> 01:32:58,469 And I have no doubt at all 1915 01:32:58,503 --> 01:33:00,920 that he would've got the eight victims 1916 01:33:00,954 --> 01:33:03,543 that he said he would when he left Broadmoor. 1917 01:33:03,578 --> 01:33:05,649 You can imagine, can't you? 1918 01:33:05,683 --> 01:33:07,512 I mean, if you were having a cup of tea 1919 01:33:07,547 --> 01:33:09,135 or something with Graham Young, 1920 01:33:11,344 --> 01:33:13,173 you'd feel uncomfortable about it, wouldn't you? 1921 01:33:13,208 --> 01:33:16,349 [gentle piano music] 1922 01:33:19,766 --> 01:33:24,495 โ™ช There's something sweet about death โ™ช 1923 01:33:24,529 --> 01:33:27,671 [gentle piano music] 153963

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