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1966. Hollywood, California.
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The once great
Hollywood dream factories
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that were teeming cities
of technicians and artists, stood empty.
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The audiences for the movies these
studios had made had drifted away,
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busy building families
or lured away by TV.
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The old studio moguls who roamed
these vast empty domains
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were confused and uncertain
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and, like the movies
they were producing, largely irrelevant.
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This is the story of the young artists
and film makers
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who stormed the gates
and briefly took control of the studios,
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and in the process, inadvertently
created the new Hollywood.
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I didn't really like American films
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and what was being done
in most American films then.
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The studio system
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essentially collapsed in the early '60s.
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By '63, it was over.
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And nobody knew what the hell to do.
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The Fox lot - the first Hollywood lot
I ever saw - had been shut down
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by the disaster of Cleopatra.
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And so, walking on the Fox lot,
it really was a ghost town.
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The back lot, which is now Century City,
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had the Western streets, the stages
all set up, but it was all deserted.
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Television had annihilated
the habit audience for movies
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and studios were impoverished.
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The big old films werenโt making money,
The Molly Maguires
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and Hello Dolly - just these huge flops.
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The old people are dying slowly
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otherwise the representatives
of the puritanism
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and religion and other organisms
which were restricting.
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The young people are different
and demand different things.
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"Make it new and different", they say.
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It really was a strong sense
of a revolution happening.
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If you were 18 years old, as I was,
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God forbid you should
ally yourself with the old fogeyes.
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Even as American films
became more meaningless,
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foreign films were beginning
to find an emerging audience
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hungry for something different.
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There were a lot of art theatres
that showed foreign films.
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That's where Natalie and James Dean
and all of us went.
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And I was working in American films
but I was looking at foreign films.
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Most of the film makers of that period
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were brought up on Godard
and Truffaut and Fellini,
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and they were tremendously
influenced by the Europeans.
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This was the period
of the Nouvelle Vague in France
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and everybody was bowled over by what
Jean-Luc had done with Breathless,
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and what Truffaut had done
with 400 Blows.
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And when I was in Paris,
we became... friends
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or conversants, anyway.
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In New York,
two young magazine writers,
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Robert Benton and David Newman,
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who had fallen under the spell
of the French New Wave,
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decided to try screenwriting.
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We knew nothing about writing movies
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cos there weren't any - maybe there were
somewhere, but we didn't know where -
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screenwriting courses, there were no
books by McKee, or any of those gurus,
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and we just wrote the movie
we wanted to see.
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Newman and Benton used
their connections at Esquire magazine,
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where they created
the Dubious Achievement Awards,
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to get their Bonnie and Clyde script
to Francois Truffaut.
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He took it
and broke it down into sections,
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and he explained to us the difference
between film time and real time.
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And we just filled notebooks
up with notes
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and by the end of it, we were just...
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The gate had opened
and we were running.
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As the new screenwriters
had lessons from the New Wave master,
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Arthur Penn had returned from France,
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inspired and eager to make a film that
could draw on this new storytelling style.
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It would be called Mickey One.
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At that point, Beatty called me up out of
the blue and said, "I'm Warren Beatty."
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I said, "Why are you calling me?"
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And he said, "Well, I learned early on
that the people I want to work with
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"are the good directors, that's it."
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He said, "So, I'm with you."
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I said, "I can't even hardly pay you,
you know?"
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"Doesn't matter. I'm in the movie."
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I used to be quite a fighter.
I'll never forget my first opponent.
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It was also my last opponent.
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He was a little guy -
only came up to my chin.
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The trouble was, he came up too often.
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Watch it, you've heard of ground beef.
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I had this opponent covered with blood...
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- Yours?
- Kid, when you're working...
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Do you come and monkey around
with my mop?
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- I can see this kid believes in justice.
- Getting just as drunk as he can.
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Waiter, let me mix his next drink.
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Blessed are the pure in spirits,
nothing's wickeder than a mixed drink.
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He doesn't get drunk but last night
he put pennies in a parking meter
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and looked at the Wrigley Building clock
to see how much he weighed.
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What a rat! Get him up here.
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When I shot Mickey One, both Jean-Luc
and Francois Truffaut showed up
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in Chicago while I was shooting.
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Truffaut had passed
the Bonnie and Clyde script
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onto Jean-Luc Godard
after deciding to film Fahrenheit 451.
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Godard flirted with the project briefly,
before deciding to do Alphaville instead.
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Meanwhile, Arthur Peon's star,
Warren Beatty,
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was frustrated by the limitations of
being just another handsome movie star
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bound in by the creative restrictions
of studio-produced films.
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Warren Beatty was in Paris,
making a movie
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and having, I think,
a romance with Leslie Caron.
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One night they went to dinner
at somebody's apartment
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and he found himself
sitting next to Truffaut.
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Truffaut said,
"There's a movie you should read
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"because it's a great part for you.
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"It's written
by these two guys in New York."
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Warren came back to New York
a week later and called and said,
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"I've read half of it, and I want
to option it as soon as it's ready.
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"And not only do I want to play the part,
I want to produce the film."
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That was after I had decided not
to direct it myself. Arthur was available.
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It afforded an opportunity
to work with someone
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with whom I had already established
a certain dialogue.
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Someone who was aware
of my bad habits, excesses,
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and someone whose excesses
and bad habits I was aware of.
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- What are your bad habits?
- I won't go into it.
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- What are his?
- I won't go into those either.
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Beatty worked
for little money up front,
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to convince a reluctant Jack Warner
to give the script a green light.
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Warren called me
and said he had this script.
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I read it and it was very good -
very well-written -
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but, at the end of it, they just simply got
shot and that was the end of it.
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And I thought, "I just... I don't want
to do a film about two gangsters."
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Then I woke up one day and saw
the ending, exactly as it is in the film.
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Hey.
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Jack Warner thought it was terrible...
He didn't like the picture at all.
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We went out to, uh... Jack's house.
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We were about to look at the film.
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He said, "if I have to go pee,
you know it stinks."
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We weren't ten minutes into the film
when he got up and peed.
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Came back. Another ten minutes,
he got up and peed.
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And it went like that throughout.
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And then, finally, the film ended,
and he said, "What the hell is this?"
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And it was kind of quiet in the room.
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And then Warren said,
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"Well, you know, Jack,
what it is, really, is an homage
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"to the great gangster films
of the wonderful Warner Bros era."
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And Jack... you know, bit that.
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And then he looked at Warren and said,
"What the fuck's an homage?"
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As Beatty tried to win over
the old studio mogul,
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there was a young mogul working
outside the dying studio system,
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who was training young film makers
in the art of the low budget B-movie.
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By the mid '60s,
producer-director Roger Corman
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and American International Pictures
had a thriving business
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of making ultra-low-budget B-movies
the studio felt were beneath them.
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He had become so successful,
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he started hiring up-and-comers
who couldn't get in the studios.
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He'd get young talent in,
because they'll work for the amount of...
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for the salary, for no salary, practically.
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Which is the way it should be. You come
in and do anything to do the film.
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He wasn't a brilliant director.
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But he was brilliant in recognising talent
in other people.
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So he gave people like me, Hopper,
Marty Scorsese - a whole bunch...
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Peter Bogdanovich was working on
Wild Angels - second-unit camera.
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It was great.
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One of Roger Corman's first proteges
was a grad student just out of UCLA -
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Francis Ford Coppola.
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Francis made his debut
editing Russian science fiction films,
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then worked as an assistant director
on a racing film I was doing in Europe,
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on the Grand Prix Formula One circuit,
called The Young Racers.
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He went on from there
to Ireland, to do Dementia 13,
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which was his first film as a director.
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Don't touch her!
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Corman had become a prime supplier
to a newly evolving audience
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that the studios were ignoring.
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In the '60s there were about 5000
drive in theatres in the US.
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Everywhere, all over.
You know, every town had a drive-in.
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The drive-in audience
was a young audience,
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and the kids liked these action
and horror films -
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the type of pictures
the independents were making.
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Sometimes they liked them more
than the major studio films.
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Corman was bright
in picking his subjects.
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LSD becomes in the paper,
he makes The Trip.
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Motorcycle guys get in the paper,
he makes a motorcycle movie.
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Bingo Blanket Beach Party - whatever
those movies were - they make those.
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So they were serving a function,
fast cars, motorcycles, drugs.
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But the one thing great about Corman
was, he wouldn't pay you,
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but he'd give you camera and film
and let you go shoot on weekends.
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We shot stuff on the Strip,
all the acid trips and so on.
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Fantasizing in the desert.
I directed those things.
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That was the first time
I'd really had a camera
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and been able to go out and shoot stuff.
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The drive-ins or the art houses is where
you found young hip moviegoers in '67.
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That's where Warner Bros released
that violent bank robber movie
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they didn't have much faith in.
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Liz Smith of Cosmopolitan calls it
"possibly the best film of the year."
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..New Republic,
"the best film of the year."
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..both agree,
in The Ladies' Home Journal,
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that it is "possibly
the best film of the year."
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I know a lot of my friends -
liberals - thought it was...
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hated that picture, thought it was violent
and, you know, were furious at me.
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Never understood why the kids
would go to it four, five, six times.
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They just didn't understand that picture.
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Because it was about...
Well, as Jack Warner said,
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"You can't tell the good guys
from the bad guys."
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Bonnie and Clyde's anti-Establishment
stance made it a huge hit,
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perfectly reflecting the disillusionment
of that winter of '67-'68.
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With protests against the Vietnam War,
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race riots in the ghetto
and anarchy in the streets,
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the younger generation was angry
and speaking out.
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No one was more surprised
than this disenfranchised audience
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that they might have
an ally in Hollywood.
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Raised on a steady diet of old films
running on television,
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the early '60s spawned
the first generation of movie buffs
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that saw film as an art form that
they were determined to be a part of.
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I used to see Peter
when he was writing for Esquire,
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and barely keeping alive.
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In fact, we'd go to screenings
at The Directors Guild
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and he was always the first person
at the table to get some food.
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It was clearly his only meal of the day.
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Bogdanovich came West
with new bride, Polly Platt,
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looking for a way to break into movies.
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We met Roger - we went to see
Last Year at Marienbad -
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I'm pretty sure that was the film
and he was sitting behind us.
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We got talking after the screening, and
we went out and had a couple of drinks.
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I got friendly with Peter and he worked
with me as a second-unit director
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and general production assistant
on The Wild Angels.
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They're wild and no angels.
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Law-defying - getting their kicks
from violence and torture.
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The Wild Angels, starring Peter Fonda
and Nancy Sinatra.
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And I met with Roger,
and he said,
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"We're making a movie about the Hell's
Angels without making a statement."
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I thought, "A movie about the Hell's
Angels on its own is a statement.
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"Let's see how he does it."
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Their intimacies, a rape of decency.
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Their every enjoyment,
a parody of pleasure.
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Roger kept missing shots -
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you know,
he would fall behind during the day -
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and he'd say,
"We'll shoot that in the second unit."
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I had never heard of that
but Peter was on to it.
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And I did everything possible,
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from ordering lunch,
and organizing the laundry
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to rewriting 80% of the script,
without credit
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and directing three weeks
of the second unit.
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The Wild Angels
was a big hit for Corman.
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And, as usual,
he rewarded the young Bogdanovich
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with a chance to direct his own picture,
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if he could figure out how to use
an existing Corman asset.
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He said, "Take some footage
from The Terror.
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"Shoot some additional footage with
Boris Karloff who owes me two days."
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And we looked at
the movie and were devastated
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because we could not think of anything.
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I kept saying to Peter, "Why are these
Victorian horror films not scary?"
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Peter was shaving one morning
and he came in and he said,
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"We'll use The Terror
as a movie within the movie,
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"and Boris Karloff will play an ageing
horror-movie star who speaks for us."
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And he's the one who says,
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"These movies aren't frightening
any more, I'm a dinosaur."
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And the other plot line is this young
all-American, good-looking boy,
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who starts buying guns.
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And we see him, you know,
spreading all his gun,
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and eating a chocolate bar, very cool.
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And picks up his telescopic rifle
and starts aiming.
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And it's a very frightening
movie because he starts shooting.
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The film was so well-made,
Corman sold it to Paramount Pictures.
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Paramount, like many of the old studios,
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was in serious trouble when it was
acquired by Gulf and Western,
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a conglomerate headed
by a mad Austrian.
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Charles Bluhdorn was his name,
an Austrian-born fellow
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of mega-maniacal dimensions.
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"You think
I make money on pictures? I don't!
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"I make money on zinc and sugar!
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"Not pictures, it's bullshit.
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"But I like it sometimes. But zinc, yes!"
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There was no logical business reason.
Let's put it this way.
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Bluhdorn did not have a business plan
as to what to do with Paramount,
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there was no grand design.
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He loved Hollywood, liked pretty women,
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and thought that
here was a business in chaos,
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maybe there was an opportunity here.
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One of Bluhdorn's first decisions
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was to hire failed actor
turned producer Bob Evans
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to run the West Coast operations.
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Hollywood wags assumed Evans
was an attractive pimp for Bluhdorn.
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After all, who but a pimp would want
to take over the moribund Paramount?
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We were suffering
with an inventory of films
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that had already been started.
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You had to get through first
that dreadful period
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where we made Bluhdorn's dreams, you
know, musicals like Paint Your Wagon.
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When I had to sit in the screening room
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and listen to Lee Marvin
and Clint Eastwood sing, as dailies,
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I thought, "Why did I leave The New York
Times to listen to Lee Marvin singing?"
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Evans and Bart signaled
Paramount's new direction
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by signing the director of the European
horror film Repulsion, Roman Polanski,
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to his first real studio deal
for Rosemary's Baby.
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The picture was a big hit for Paramount,
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and the elfin, fun-loving Polish Polanski
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quickly became a part of
Bob Evans' social scene.
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Evans would introduce Polanski
to other young power players
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in the New Hollywood, including
Warren Beatty and Jack Nicholson.
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Women, wine, parties and good blow
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were some of the rewards
of success in Hollywood
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and Polanski, Nicholson and Evans
shared their drugs and their women.
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But what none of them could know
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was how often violence would crash
their parties and change their lives,
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starting with Paramount's scheduled
release of Targets in the summer of '68.
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So, uh... my thanks to all of you.
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And now it's on to Chicago,
and let's win there. Thank you.
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I had my baby daughter on my hip
and had gone to vote for him.
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And... and that night, I remember,
when he was assassinated,
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after the initial shock and horror,
I realized it was the end of Targets.
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I knew that no one would want
to go see that movie.
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After Kennedy's assassination,
the studio yanked Targets from theatres.
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But for Corman and those involved
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in making the youth-oriented B-movies
so successful at the drive-ins,
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it was a boom time,
with one hit after another.
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The old studio bosses, however,
continued hiding behind their high walls
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with their heads in the sand.
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But one studio head,
Stanley Schneider at Columbia Pictures,
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had a son young and hip enough to hear
the rumble coming down the road.
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Bert is the single
most significant person in post-1950s...
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I mean, he is the equivalent,
in terms of producers,
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of what Selznick had been before.
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He revolutionized film making
from the producer's side.
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And mainly, he trusted film makers and
gave them complete creative freedom.
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Bert Schneider was the epitome
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of a certain kind of
time-and-place producer.
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Everyone wanted to be Bert Schneider
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and then nobody
wanted to be Bert Schneider.
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Well, he was cool. He was so cool
it was like frightening.
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He provided the drugs, he provided
the sauna, he provided the pool
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he provided the good vibes,
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he provided the notion
that nobody should ever feel shitty.
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I always thought Bert was kinda mean.
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He kinda scared me.
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You know, of course,
I met Bob later, and he's...
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he's like a beautiful rebel kinda guy, Bob.
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Bob Rafelson,
a hip young writer-producer
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and Bert Schneider,
an exec at Columbia Pictures,
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had hooked up as friends in New York,
and came west with an attitude.
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They created Raybert Productions,
a TV and movie production company.
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He was the center
of an extraordinary little... community.
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- How do you feel now?
- Oh, comme Ci, comme ca.
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That's enough. Cut it. Print it.
Good hit. That should be it.
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OK, I think we're on another set.
333
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Hey, Bob, that's not right, man.
You know, hitting a girl.
334
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- Hey, did that look good?
- I thought it looked great.
335
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But about hitting a woman, man,
it's about the image and it's not right.
336
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- I hate to interrupt.
- I know, it's for your niece. Her name?
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- Mary.
- Fellas, let's move to the right.
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- John, was that right, man?
- Yeah.
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- John, that's not right.
- Can you move over?
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00:22:14,999 --> 00:22:18,776
Damn it. Bob, it's a movie for kids.
They're not gonna dig it, man.
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The Beatles were very popular then,
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and Bob got the idea of doing
a television show based on a rock group.
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And so he created The Monkees.
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It was an extremely successful show.
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Raybert was just
these couple of guys.
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Very young for people
in the industry then.
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Every other audition had been
some fat guy in a suit going,
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"All right, want to read a few lines?"
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Bert Schneider's
father ran Columbia Pictures.
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There Bert and Bob pitched their idea
for an American Beatles.
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The Monkees, in some way,
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were simply a cynical decision
to rip off the Beatles,
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and be successful in the most
traditional terms on television.
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We were never allowed, on
the TV show, to reference the war ever,
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to reference society,
anything anti-American,
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anything controversial.
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Certainly, no references
to even getting stoned.
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You know, it was all really sickly sweet-
you know, white bread.
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The economic success of that
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put Bert Schneider and Bob Rafelson
into the catbird seat,
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and what they chose to do with that
is what's interesting.
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As TV embraced youth programming,
the studios still didn't get it -
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but Bert Schneider and
Bob Rafelson sure did.
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Flush with money from The Monkees,
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they knew there was an audience
for something different.
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Peter talked about what was then
called The Loners - Easy Rider.
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Jack Nicholson
had talked Bert into this, I believe,
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by saying, "Bike movies make money.
You're not gonna lose any money."
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So Schneider said, "I'm gonna give you
the money to go and shoot this,
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"shoot it in 16mm
and if I like what I see
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"then I'll give you the rest of the money
to make the feature movie."
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So I got five friends of mine,
that had 16mm cameras,
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all of 'em who wanted to be directors -
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in the middle of Mardi Gras...
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And I was crazy.
There's no question about it.
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Get into the Winnie, in search of
the Mardi Gras parade -
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which, if you've seen the movie
more than once,
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you'll notice we were never in.
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The Winnebago
never found the Mardi Gras.
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And there are reasons for that.
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Everyone was stoned out of their minds.
382
00:25:18,638 --> 00:25:23,024
Every person... everyone was stoned
out of his mind. That's correct, isn't it?
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Dennis was just shooting. Getting...
He was gonna "get" New Orleans, man.
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Which he did.
385
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We shot for four days,
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and I literally walked people through
the streets, it was like the Bataan march.
387
00:25:37,797 --> 00:25:42,178
Finally, Barry Feinstein said,
"I can't take any more,"
388
00:25:42,278 --> 00:25:45,221
and started throwing
the cans of films at me
389
00:25:45,321 --> 00:25:47,260
and said, "That's it, you know."
390
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:50,301
I said, "if you can't take
any more, give me the film!"
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He said, "You want the film?" He starts
throwing. We get into a fist fight.
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He pushes me into a room.
Peter's in bed with Karen and Toni Basil,
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and a fight proceeds.
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Whereupon... it ends,
and... everybody leaves.
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00:26:06,121 --> 00:26:08,779
After the acid-trip scene at the cemetery,
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00:26:08,879 --> 00:26:11,741
Hopper and Fonda
returned to Los Angeles.
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I get back
and unbeknownst to me,
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00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:16,822
Peter and Bill Hayward,
my brother-in-law,
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00:26:16,922 --> 00:26:22,059
came back from New Orleans and
offered to give back the $20,000 that...
400
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Obviously, that I was a crazy person.
401
00:26:25,201 --> 00:26:28,577
And what they had done was,
they started taping me -
402
00:26:28,677 --> 00:26:31,541
my screaming,
and my raving and ranting
403
00:26:31,641 --> 00:26:35,901
and they played this
for Bert Schneider and Jack Nicholson.
404
00:26:36,001 --> 00:26:39,217
And Bert said, "Well... he sounds excited.
405
00:26:39,317 --> 00:26:44,299
"But I hired this man to direct this movie
and he's gonna direct this movie."
406
00:26:44,399 --> 00:26:49,177
Oh, they're not scared of you - they're
scared of what you represent to 'em.
407
00:26:49,277 --> 00:26:54,020
Hey, man. All we represent to them, man,
is somebody who needs a haircut.
408
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:58,141
Oh, no. What you represent
to them is freedom.
409
00:26:58,241 --> 00:27:01,457
What's wrong with freedom?
That's what it's all about.
410
00:27:01,557 --> 00:27:04,182
That's right - that's what it's all about.
411
00:27:04,282 --> 00:27:08,817
But talking about it and being it,
that's two different things.
412
00:27:08,917 --> 00:27:14,385
It's real hard to be free when you are
bought and sold in the marketplace.
413
00:27:17,272 --> 00:27:20,141
Don't ever tell anybody
that they're not free,
414
00:27:20,241 --> 00:27:24,618
cos they'll get busy killin'
and maimin' to prove that they are.
415
00:27:24,718 --> 00:27:28,858
On the main poster for Easy Rider
there wasn't a motorcycle on it.
416
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The phrase on the top said...
417
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,500
"A man went looking for America
and couldn't find it anywhere.โ
418
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:39,457
When we all, the hippies - when we
arrived at the sales office at Columbia,
419
00:27:39,557 --> 00:27:42,618
we thought,
"What are these guys gonna know?"
420
00:27:42,718 --> 00:27:48,098
We walked in and saw that,
"That's gotta be it. It's amazing.
421
00:27:48,198 --> 00:27:52,221
"That came out of...?
Far out - put it in. It's great."
422
00:27:52,321 --> 00:27:54,942
As Columbia prepared
Easy Rider for release,
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United Artists was starting the most
controversial studio picture to date.
424
00:27:59,757 --> 00:28:03,861
There was at UA at that time
this extraordinary group of people,
425
00:28:03,961 --> 00:28:08,817
who had an extraordinary concept about
how to finance and distribute films.
426
00:28:08,917 --> 00:28:12,499
UA had created a world
that the majors were not aware of -
427
00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:17,861
studios didn't understand the concept of
giving creative control to a film maker.
428
00:28:17,961 --> 00:28:20,981
We did it with every film maker.
429
00:28:21,081 --> 00:28:24,617
One that UA wanted
to work with was John Schlesinger,
430
00:28:24,717 --> 00:28:29,300
who had recently scored with Darling,
which won its star, Julie Christie,
431
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,340
an Academy Award.
432
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,700
I told John Schlesinger,
"We want to make a movie with you.
433
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,740
"What do you want to do?"
434
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,898
He said, "There's a book, you'll never
do it." It was Midnight Cowboy.
435
00:28:40,998 --> 00:28:44,979
It never would have been made
under the studio system.
436
00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:50,139
John was at a real turning point
at the Cowboy time.
437
00:28:50,239 --> 00:28:53,777
He was in the closet,
close friends knew that he was gay
438
00:28:53,877 --> 00:28:56,097
but he was desperate to break out.
439
00:28:56,197 --> 00:29:00,418
He wanted to... He's a gay man
and he wanted to have a gay partner,
440
00:29:00,518 --> 00:29:02,469
and live a gay life.
441
00:29:02,672 --> 00:29:04,780
And he had all these archaic ideas
442
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,859
that if the crew knew that he was gay,
that he'd ask them to do something,
443
00:29:09,959 --> 00:29:14,540
and they'd say, "Fuck you, faggot!
You faggot - get outta here!"
444
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:19,779
I mean, these childhood dreams that...
must have tormented him and all that.
445
00:29:19,879 --> 00:29:22,459
So I just said, "John, it's our movie.
446
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:25,980
"If we don't like someone,
we'll throw him out."
447
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,340
He got it through his head
that maybe it would be all right,
448
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,497
although he was very frightened,
449
00:29:31,597 --> 00:29:36,100
and then he fell in love with a man
who he's still with now, 39 years later.
450
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,817
And John was like
any one of us if you're in love.
451
00:29:39,917 --> 00:29:42,941
I mean, you're totally on fire with ideas.
452
00:29:43,041 --> 00:29:46,417
And he was inspired -
there's no question about it.
453
00:29:46,517 --> 00:29:50,818
- When did you last go to confession?
- That's between me and my confessor.
454
00:29:50,918 --> 00:29:53,978
And another thing,
you're beginning to smell.
455
00:29:54,078 --> 00:29:57,979
- For a stud that's a handicap.
- Don't talk to me about clean.
456
00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:01,537
I ain't never seen you
change your underwear once.
457
00:30:01,637 --> 00:30:04,618
- That's pretty peculiar.
- I don't do that in public.
458
00:30:04,718 --> 00:30:09,140
- I got no need to expose myself.
- I bet. I bet you ain't never been laid!
459
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,500
And you're gonna tell me
what appeals to women?
460
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,941
I know that that big dumb cowboy crap
of yours don't appeal to nobody,
461
00:30:17,041 --> 00:30:19,220
except every Jackie on 42nd Street.
462
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:24,785
That's faggot stuff. You want to call it
by its name, that's strictly for fags.
463
00:30:25,752 --> 00:30:29,339
J-John Wayne -
are you gonna tell me he's a fag?
464
00:30:29,439 --> 00:30:32,700
The film would be
nominated for seven Oscars,
465
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,060
win three - including Best Picture -
466
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,021
and be the first studio film
with an X rating.
467
00:30:38,121 --> 00:30:42,141
1969 continued
to rock the movie business.
468
00:30:42,241 --> 00:30:46,059
Woody Allen and Paul Mazursky
directed their first features,
469
00:30:46,159 --> 00:30:48,420
Haskell Wexler did Medium Cool,
470
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,296
and Robert Altman's
antisocial MASH
471
00:30:52,396 --> 00:30:54,340
But the biggest shake-up came
472
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,940
as the quintessential American
drive-in movie premiered at Cannes.
473
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,817
This is the spring of '69 and there's
an anti-festival at the same time,
474
00:31:03,917 --> 00:31:05,860
and we win the anti-festival.
475
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,698
The film blew everybody away so badly,
476
00:31:08,798 --> 00:31:14,577
they actually created a category for it,
so it could be given a prize at Cannes.
477
00:31:14,677 --> 00:31:19,021
It was tremendous. People did not know
how to take us at all.
478
00:31:19,121 --> 00:31:23,577
They just... you know,
we were all bearded, or long-haired
479
00:31:23,677 --> 00:31:27,180
and, you know, it was very far-out.
480
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,178
Nobody thought Easy Rider
would become a seminal film.
481
00:31:30,278 --> 00:31:32,220
It was just another bike movie.
482
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:37,177
There was a lot of dialogue, a lot of
problems, these hippies had gone out,
483
00:31:37,277 --> 00:31:40,418
and they were stoned
and they made this movie,
484
00:31:40,518 --> 00:31:42,976
and it was never gonna go together,
485
00:31:43,076 --> 00:31:46,420
and they'd spent 700,000,
whatever it was.
486
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:51,100
And that was kinda the rap on the movie,
that, at least, we heard.
487
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,901
And then it went out, and it was boffo.
488
00:31:54,001 --> 00:31:55,949
I mean, there was genuine shock.
489
00:32:09,192 --> 00:32:11,149
~ Get your motor runnin' ~
490
00:32:12,352 --> 00:32:14,150
~ Head out on the highway ~
491
00:32:15,112 --> 00:32:17,149
~ Lookin' for adventure ~
492
00:32:17,992 --> 00:32:20,825
~ In whatever comes our way ~
493
00:32:21,712 --> 00:32:23,777
~ Yeah, I gotta go make it... ~
494
00:32:23,877 --> 00:32:28,141
Hollywood couldn't figure out why
anybody was going to see that movie.
495
00:32:28,241 --> 00:32:30,579
And that was just - it seems to me that
496
00:32:30,679 --> 00:32:33,621
that was just as
the change was happening.
497
00:32:33,721 --> 00:32:37,539
I mean, it was Vietnam, it was...
498
00:32:37,639 --> 00:32:40,219
Long hair was becoming more popular.
499
00:32:40,319 --> 00:32:44,698
They had lost their audience.
They had not addressed their audience,
500
00:32:44,798 --> 00:32:46,980
or what their audience were into.
501
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:51,181
We'd gone through the '60s,
and nobody'd ever seen drugs smoked
502
00:32:51,281 --> 00:32:56,296
without going out and committing some
kind of murder, or atrocity of some kind.
503
00:32:56,396 --> 00:32:58,340
When you went to see Easy Rider
504
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,818
and when you saw these guys
really smoking grass by the fire
505
00:33:02,918 --> 00:33:07,979
and, really, the camaraderie
was warm and real and rare,
506
00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:13,458
you went, "What the hell am I looking at?
This has value!
507
00:33:13,558 --> 00:33:17,980
"This has a completely different kind
of value than Pillow Talk.
508
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,101
"This is something extraordinary!
I want more of that!"
509
00:33:22,201 --> 00:33:25,896
But then I kept seeing
movies where people vomited.
510
00:33:25,996 --> 00:33:27,665
I want you to meet my fiancรฉe.
511
00:33:32,512 --> 00:33:37,180
Another new talent brought a new
level of violent realism to the screen.
512
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,380
His name was Sam Peckinpah.
513
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,581
He liked drinking, women
and brawling with studio executives.
514
00:33:43,681 --> 00:33:46,744
His violent lyricism
changed movies forever.
515
00:33:53,872 --> 00:33:57,742
The first time I worked
for Sam, he wrote The Rifleman.
516
00:33:57,842 --> 00:34:00,499
He hadn't directed yet,
but he came on set
517
00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:03,259
and would whisper,
"Why don't you do this?"
518
00:34:03,359 --> 00:34:08,497
So I was the guest star in The Rifleman,
which he always got an income from.
519
00:34:08,721 --> 00:34:10,820
So that was when I first knew him.
520
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,777
And he was one of the few guys that
I knew in the inside that smoked grass.
521
00:34:15,877 --> 00:34:18,981
So he and I
used to smoke in his office.
522
00:34:19,081 --> 00:34:24,059
I knew Sam at the time of Wild Bunch,
hanging around him,
523
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:28,580
and, erm, wrote a long article about him.
524
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,297
And I just thought
he was brilliant - brilliant.
525
00:34:32,397 --> 00:34:36,741
And I saw the three hours and
45 minutes version of The Wild Bunch,
526
00:34:36,841 --> 00:34:40,702
which was the most
brilliant thing I'd ever fucking seen.
527
00:34:40,802 --> 00:34:44,060
The Wild Bunch was,
in part, an allegory
528
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,218
for America's increasingly violent
involvement in Vietnam.
529
00:34:48,318 --> 00:34:53,618
Fortunately the violence of the new
cinema had been limited to the screen.
530
00:34:53,718 --> 00:34:56,821
For most of those
at the top of the new Hollywood,
531
00:34:56,921 --> 00:35:01,101
life was a nonstop party with an endless
flow of beautiful women and men,
532
00:35:01,201 --> 00:35:03,380
eager to explore
the new sexual freedom,
533
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:08,741
enhanced and encouraged
with the best drugs money could buy.
534
00:35:08,841 --> 00:35:10,940
Everybody knew everybody else,
535
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,619
and it seemed like
the high would last forever.
536
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,272
Then, on the morning of
August 9th, 1969...
537
00:35:20,432 --> 00:35:24,781
Charlie Manson's followers
broke into Roman Polanski's house
538
00:35:24,881 --> 00:35:28,459
and butchered his pregnant wife,
Sharon Tate, and four others,
539
00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:31,182
while the director was away in Europe.
540
00:35:31,282 --> 00:35:33,981
Rumors flew of orgies and drug abuse.
541
00:35:34,081 --> 00:35:37,340
There was a lot of talk about drugs.
542
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,136
Sharon not only didn't use drugs,
543
00:35:41,236 --> 00:35:46,097
she didn't touch alcohol,
she didn't smoke cigarettes.
544
00:35:46,197 --> 00:35:50,940
The last film she made was not
a very happy experience for her
545
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:56,222
but her greatest picture she was doing
was her pregnancy.
546
00:35:56,322 --> 00:35:59,942
I never seen a woman
more preoccupied with it.
547
00:36:00,992 --> 00:36:04,696
The house is open now,
the police has released it,
548
00:36:04,796 --> 00:36:07,618
and you can go and see the orgy place.
549
00:36:07,718 --> 00:36:11,945
You will see a lot of blood
all over the place,
550
00:36:13,672 --> 00:36:17,552
cradles, baby clothes - and that's all.
551
00:36:19,072 --> 00:36:23,181
We all knew Sharon,
and we knew, you know, Jay Sebring,
552
00:36:23,281 --> 00:36:28,259
and we knew these people that were
part of our everyday life out here.
553
00:36:28,359 --> 00:36:32,381
And suddenly they were all chopped up
and messed around.
554
00:36:32,481 --> 00:36:35,022
A lot of rage in there, huh?
555
00:36:35,122 --> 00:36:38,816
Well, there was a lot of rage
in the hippie communities,
556
00:36:38,916 --> 00:36:43,740
and on the street in the hippie sides
because the voice was not being heard,
557
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,781
the war was going on,
it was still whacked out...
558
00:36:46,881 --> 00:36:48,783
because we were blowing it.
559
00:36:54,112 --> 00:36:59,897
The trick and the secret is of creating
a film by literally saying you're doing it.
560
00:36:59,997 --> 00:37:04,261
I mean, it's not a matter of asking
someone to let you make a movie.
561
00:37:04,361 --> 00:37:08,339
Francis was the smartest
of all the film makers,
562
00:37:08,439 --> 00:37:11,737
in terms of trying
to bring film makers together,
563
00:37:11,837 --> 00:37:15,419
and do interesting things,
and move into technology
564
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:18,658
and move the rest of the world
into technology.
565
00:37:18,758 --> 00:37:22,781
The idea is, you gotta really...
really want to do something
566
00:37:22,881 --> 00:37:24,820
and then nothing can stop you.
567
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,898
I thought that he was just
another, you know,
568
00:37:27,998 --> 00:37:31,340
mistake in the security of Hollywood,
you know.
569
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,659
I looked at it as sort of a walled city,
and there were breaches in the defences.
570
00:37:36,759 --> 00:37:40,020
Occasionally you could
get in through them
571
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,258
and see what was on
the other side of the wall.
572
00:37:43,358 --> 00:37:46,540
That didn't mean that
the police wouldn't find you.
573
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,140
The Rain People - Warner Bros
didn't want to make it.
574
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:52,819
They couldn't care less about this movie.
575
00:37:52,919 --> 00:37:56,260
I went in one day and said,
"We're flying to New York
576
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,577
"to shoot some film for my new movie."
577
00:37:58,677 --> 00:38:03,217
They said, "We gotta approve it."
I said, "Well, I'll pay for it myself."
578
00:38:03,317 --> 00:38:06,660
When I made Easy Rider,
he was coming across the top.
579
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,499
I was crossing the south of the country
and he was crossing the north.
580
00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:12,620
He was doing The Rain People.
581
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:17,736
Francis Ford Coppola is on the crest of
the new wave of American film makers.
582
00:38:17,836 --> 00:38:20,499
Already he has been named
best director,
583
00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:25,782
and awarded the grand prize
at the San Sebastian Festival in Spain.
584
00:38:25,882 --> 00:38:29,742
He'd gotten on the wall somehow,
and he'd gotten, you know,
585
00:38:29,842 --> 00:38:33,898
the local authorities convinced
that he should be there.
586
00:38:33,998 --> 00:38:37,348
And, of course,
he brought in the Trojan horse.
587
00:38:38,432 --> 00:38:42,057
Would you tell us about
your assistant, George Lucas?
588
00:38:42,157 --> 00:38:44,297
He's not my assistant...
589
00:38:44,397 --> 00:38:47,538
Your...
Associate.
590
00:38:47,638 --> 00:38:53,061
George won an award
to come and observe a film being made,
591
00:38:53,161 --> 00:38:56,340
and he came when we were
making Finian's Rainbow.
592
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,620
And I kept seeing this skinny kid
and he's always looking.
593
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:03,097
I said, "Who's that?"
He said, "He's observing you."
594
00:39:03,197 --> 00:39:06,497
I think the student films
are the only real hope.
595
00:39:06,597 --> 00:39:10,781
They're slowly realizing
that students know what theyโre doing.
596
00:39:10,881 --> 00:39:14,257
Time magazine
had pictures of all of us in,
597
00:39:14,357 --> 00:39:17,977
and we'd just won
The National Student Film Festival.
598
00:39:18,077 --> 00:39:23,059
I won it for Marcello, I'm bored,
George won it for THX,
599
00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:27,022
Marty Scorsese won for one of his films.
600
00:39:27,122 --> 00:39:29,380
His, probably, was a real film.
601
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,740
Mike Medavoy
was a young talent agent
602
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,621
when he went looking for
the next big thing.
603
00:39:35,721 --> 00:39:40,220
I called my secretary and said,
"Find these guys. Let's call them."
604
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,016
So I went up and I called John Milius.
605
00:39:44,116 --> 00:39:49,860
I went out and signed him,
signed Spielberg - signed a few others.
606
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,939
He was a very, very good agent
but a terrible deal-maker.
607
00:39:54,039 --> 00:39:58,460
He... You know, he'd... get you anything.
You know, if the guy said,
608
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:03,496
"Well, I really can't... I want
to hire the guy but I've only got $35,"
609
00:40:03,596 --> 00:40:05,540
Medavoy'd take the $35.
610
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,341
What was good about that
was it kept you working.
611
00:40:08,441 --> 00:40:12,339
As the oldest of the film school grads,
Francis Coppola set up Zoetrope
612
00:40:12,439 --> 00:40:15,418
as a production banner
for emerging talent.
613
00:40:15,518 --> 00:40:19,701
Two of the new film men,
Francis Coppola and George Lucas,
614
00:40:19,801 --> 00:40:23,779
are discussing director Lucas'
new movie, THX 1138.
615
00:40:23,879 --> 00:40:27,300
George, where did the very first idea
of THX come to you?
616
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,979
It came from reading comic books
when I was ten years old.
617
00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:37,336
Well, Zoetrope was the first attempt
by a kind of outsider... film maker,
618
00:40:37,436 --> 00:40:41,818
who was gonna bring together
and form a commune of film makers.
619
00:40:41,918 --> 00:40:46,058
And it's to Francis's credit
that he tried to put it together.
620
00:40:46,158 --> 00:40:49,377
Everybody had
a six-picture deal with Francis.
621
00:40:49,477 --> 00:40:52,501
So it was six other film makers,
my husband among them,
622
00:40:52,601 --> 00:40:55,897
whose projects were
supposed to go to Warner.
623
00:40:55,997 --> 00:40:58,861
The deal was
we were driving to Warner Bros,
624
00:40:58,961 --> 00:41:03,338
Francis would show themTHX,
Zoetrope's flagship first production,
625
00:41:03,438 --> 00:41:07,339
and then present them with
these silver boxes with our scripts.
626
00:41:07,439 --> 00:41:12,180
They saw THX,
everyone's project was canceled.
627
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,817
Lucas was angry and humiliated
by the reaction to the film
628
00:41:16,917 --> 00:41:20,217
and the cancellation
of other Zoetrope projects.
629
00:41:20,317 --> 00:41:23,537
A crushed Coppola
withdrew to San Francisco,
630
00:41:23,637 --> 00:41:27,299
taking a high-paying script job
on the film Patton.
631
00:41:27,399 --> 00:41:31,017
This whole thing was that
Francis was kind of regarded
632
00:41:31,117 --> 00:41:33,060
as this guy who'd sold them out.
633
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,616
Francis was the Establishment now.
634
00:41:35,716 --> 00:41:39,097
While Coppola explained
to Lucas and the others
635
00:41:39,197 --> 00:41:41,257
why he couldn't save their projects,
636
00:41:41,357 --> 00:41:45,056
Peter Bogdanovich
was trying to get his next directing job.
637
00:41:45,156 --> 00:41:50,096
Bert Schneider was looking for new
films to do, after Easy Rider's success.
638
00:41:50,196 --> 00:41:53,141
He let me direct my first movie,
A Safe Place,
639
00:41:53,241 --> 00:41:55,659
which Jack Nicholson agreed to be in.
640
00:41:55,759 --> 00:42:01,298
And Nicholson was given permission
to direct his first film, Drive, He Said.
641
00:42:01,398 --> 00:42:04,261
And along the way I thought of Peter.
642
00:42:04,361 --> 00:42:08,461
They said, "if you ever have a picture
you want to make, we'd be interested."
643
00:42:08,561 --> 00:42:13,901
So not too long after that
I called and said,
644
00:42:14,001 --> 00:42:18,500
"There's a book I'd like to do,
called The Last Picture Show.
645
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,419
"You can get it in paperback.
Larry McMurtry wrote it."
646
00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:26,861
Bert said, "Well, send it on over."
I said, "Why don't you buy it?"
647
00:42:26,961 --> 00:42:30,140
Arrogant. Thinking,
"if he can't even buy the book
648
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:32,739
"he won't be interested in making it."
649
00:42:32,839 --> 00:42:36,702
A week later, he called me.
"It took a while to find the book
650
00:42:36,802 --> 00:42:39,256
"but we got it and we'd like to make it."
651
00:42:39,356 --> 00:42:44,658
So we made the movie.
It was filled with lots of drama.
652
00:42:44,758 --> 00:42:49,696
The Last Picture Show
was a frank exploration of sexuality
653
00:42:49,796 --> 00:42:52,538
in a classic American film making style.
654
00:42:52,638 --> 00:42:56,821
It was also an emotionally painful
experience for its makers,
655
00:42:56,921 --> 00:43:01,377
the husband and wife team of
Peter Bogdanovich and Polly Platt,
656
00:43:01,477 --> 00:43:03,617
We were in preproduction in LA,
657
00:43:03,717 --> 00:43:08,460
and we were already looking at actors
and actresses to play these parts.
658
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:14,018
And I saw a magazine cover
at this checkstand of Ralph's Market.
659
00:43:14,118 --> 00:43:17,779
And there was this girl
with what I thought looked like
660
00:43:17,879 --> 00:43:20,140
a sexual chip on her shoulder.
661
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:23,819
Corkscrew curls, you know,
blonde hair, blue eyes.
662
00:43:23,919 --> 00:43:26,738
Just arrogant little thing, you know.
663
00:43:26,838 --> 00:43:30,297
Although she turns out
to be a tall, tall girl.
664
00:43:30,397 --> 00:43:35,097
And I said to Peter, "Doesn't that
look just the way Jacy should look?"
665
00:43:35,197 --> 00:43:39,860
And Peter said, "Yes."
And, you know, he set about finding her.
666
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,061
I knew you couldn't do it.
Now I'll never get to not be a virgin.
667
00:43:44,161 --> 00:43:47,298
What'll we tell everybody?
I just want to cry.
668
00:43:47,398 --> 00:43:49,739
My mother was dead right about you!
669
00:43:49,839 --> 00:43:51,860
I don't know what happened.
670
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,098
Don't go out there!
We haven't had time to do it!
671
00:43:55,198 --> 00:44:01,057
I don't want one soul to know. You better
not tell... Just pretend it was wonderful.
672
00:44:01,157 --> 00:44:02,978
I don't know what happened.
673
00:44:03,078 --> 00:44:06,542
Oh! If you say that
one more time, I'll bite you!
674
00:44:25,792 --> 00:44:28,227
Oh, gee, tell us, Jacy. What was it like?
675
00:44:30,912 --> 00:44:35,697
I just can't describe it.
I just can't describe it in words.
676
00:44:35,797 --> 00:44:44,499
I had a brief affair with Jeff Bridges. Then
he went on National Guard duty, reserve,
677
00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:47,860
and that was when Peter
made that fateful comment to me.
678
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,577
We were shooting the scene in
the theatre - my first scene in the movie.
679
00:44:52,677 --> 00:44:55,019
And he was sitting in the row behind me.
680
00:44:55,119 --> 00:45:00,222
He leaned forward and said, "I donโt
know who I want more, you or Jacy."
681
00:45:00,322 --> 00:45:05,017
And I was so... so struck by that.
Then they said, "We're ready, Cybill."
682
00:45:05,117 --> 00:45:07,742
And I had to make that entrance and say,
683
00:45:07,842 --> 00:45:10,701
"What y'all doing back here in the dark?"
684
00:45:10,801 --> 00:45:13,910
And, I mean, it lit that moment.
685
00:45:15,552 --> 00:45:17,702
It lit that moment. it was real.
686
00:45:18,592 --> 00:45:21,658
Peter meant it but it was also... it was...
687
00:45:21,758 --> 00:45:25,536
You couldn't have told well,
me, certainly, at that time,
688
00:45:25,636 --> 00:45:27,908
anything else that would have...
689
00:45:28,672 --> 00:45:30,780
I was lit up.
690
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,061
Her boyfriend, back in New York,
didn't want her to show her breasts
691
00:45:35,161 --> 00:45:38,457
or do any of the nude scenes
in the movie.
692
00:45:38,557 --> 00:45:41,261
So there were all
these tears and drama
693
00:45:41,361 --> 00:45:43,417
and I remember, you know,
694
00:45:43,517 --> 00:45:45,939
I saw my husband falling in love with her
695
00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:49,417
or falling in, you know,
developing this crush on her
696
00:45:49,517 --> 00:45:53,057
and I remember being grateful
that she even had a boyfriend.
697
00:45:53,157 --> 00:45:55,217
Peter asked me, it was interesting,
698
00:45:55,317 --> 00:46:00,140
"Do you think I should fire her because
she won't do these nude scenes?"
699
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:02,269
And I said no.
700
00:46:03,192 --> 00:46:05,779
I don't think anything
could have stopped it.
701
00:46:05,879 --> 00:46:10,497
I feel very badly, in many ways,
702
00:46:10,597 --> 00:46:12,737
now that I'm a little wiser.
703
00:46:12,837 --> 00:46:16,100
For Polly, I know
that must have been hell for her.
704
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,540
I even, in a certain way, I understood,
705
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,262
I felt it was an occupational
hazard of the job.
706
00:46:22,362 --> 00:46:24,816
I just thought it might be
a temporary thing.
707
00:46:24,916 --> 00:46:27,542
I've learned since,
over many years,
708
00:46:27,642 --> 00:46:30,829
that was far more like Jacy
than I ever imagined.
709
00:46:32,432 --> 00:46:34,469
In real life.
710
00:46:35,872 --> 00:46:38,102
If I had it to do all over again,
711
00:46:39,392 --> 00:46:41,739
I would do the same.
712
00:46:41,839 --> 00:46:45,377
While Bogdanovich's marriage
was coming apart,
713
00:46:45,477 --> 00:46:50,060
Warren Beatty was winning a reputation
as Hollywood's premier bachelor.
714
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,861
However, his follow-up
to Bonnie And Clyde,
715
00:46:52,961 --> 00:46:56,627
The Only Game In Town,
wasn't scoring nearly as well.
716
00:46:57,312 --> 00:47:00,617
Beatty needed a hit and he believed
strongly in directors.
717
00:47:00,717 --> 00:47:04,097
..John McCabe,
he came with poetry on his lips.
718
00:47:04,197 --> 00:47:06,901
If a frog had wings,
he wouldn't bump his ass so much.
719
00:47:07,001 --> 00:47:08,701
A deck in his pocket.
720
00:47:08,801 --> 00:47:11,938
What do you say
we make this a nickel game, huh?
721
00:47:12,038 --> 00:47:15,220
A man who knew
where he was going.
722
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,101
- Where are you going?
- Nowhere, uh...
723
00:47:18,201 --> 00:47:21,620
I was just wondering
where you was gonna go.
724
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:25,103
Well, I was gonna go
over there by that fence.
725
00:47:26,785 --> 00:47:27,785
Oh.
726
00:47:28,232 --> 00:47:31,537
The problem was, the director
of his next film, Robert Altman,
727
00:47:31,637 --> 00:47:34,937
believed the only star in an Altman film
was Robert Altman.
728
00:47:35,037 --> 00:47:38,300
And Beatty, after successfully
producing Bonnie And Clyde,
729
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,096
was not prepared to play
a supporting role, even to his director.
730
00:47:42,196 --> 00:47:44,460
Warren kept worrying about coverage.
731
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,820
Because he had produced
Bonnie And Clyde,
732
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,462
and by that time he had a sense
733
00:47:49,562 --> 00:47:54,417
of what you needed to cut away to
and Bob doesn't direct that way.
734
00:47:54,517 --> 00:47:57,658
So, the times when things got testy,
735
00:47:57,758 --> 00:48:00,020
it was really a matter of style.
736
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,939
Warren is very precise
and you have to honor that
737
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:07,736
but he's not the director or making
the film at that moment in time.
738
00:48:07,836 --> 00:48:11,819
There was a scene
actually going on about eight minutes.
739
00:48:11,919 --> 00:48:14,499
It's a wonderful scene
we shot with two cameras.
740
00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:18,978
So two cameras, eight minutes long
and we did about 40 times.
741
00:48:19,078 --> 00:48:22,580
Imagine just how many
rolls of film that was.
742
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,217
Was that 80 rolls of film?
Because we had to use 80 rolls of film.
743
00:48:26,317 --> 00:48:28,819
That's 80,000 feet of film.
744
00:48:28,919 --> 00:48:33,899
So we went, probably, about,
I don't know, 27 or 28,
745
00:48:33,999 --> 00:48:39,341
when Robert said,
"You know, it's not getting better.
746
00:48:39,441 --> 00:48:41,896
"I told you that take eight
was perfect for me."
747
00:48:41,996 --> 00:48:45,979
"You kept going," and all that.
"I was happy with take eight."
748
00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:49,819
And Warren says,
"I want to do one more."
749
00:48:49,919 --> 00:48:54,218
And then Robert says,
"OK, Warren, I tell you what,
750
00:48:54,318 --> 00:48:56,260
"I'm tired, I'm going to go home.
751
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,099
"You do as many takes as you want.
These boys are going to take it.
752
00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:02,901
"Finish it when you want."
And then he went home.
753
00:49:03,001 --> 00:49:07,580
Neither Beatty or Altman were happy
and McCabe would mark the last time
754
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,505
a star would destabilize
one of Altman's productions.
755
00:49:18,272 --> 00:49:22,338
As Beatty struggles with Altman,
Dennis Hopper planned his next film.
756
00:49:22,438 --> 00:49:27,180
Well, I'm gonna now make the movie
that I wanted to make as my first movie,
757
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,257
which is called The Last Movie.
758
00:49:29,357 --> 00:49:33,099
It starts with the last scene of a movie
being shot and the company leaves.
759
00:49:33,199 --> 00:49:37,019
The people are left with their streets
where one man becomes the director.
760
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:39,257
He makes the people build
a stick camera
761
00:49:39,357 --> 00:49:42,780
and act out the violence
that the movie company acted out.
762
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,257
After being turned down
by his former partners at BBS,
763
00:49:46,357 --> 00:49:49,418
Dennis Hopper took his new project
to Universal Pictures,
764
00:49:49,518 --> 00:49:52,498
which set up a low-budget division,
headed by Ned Tannen,
765
00:49:52,598 --> 00:49:54,780
to try to cash in on the youth market.
766
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,300
A friend of mine was flying
with Dennis Hopper on an airplane
767
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,739
and he said, "Dennis loves
Me And Bobby McGee
768
00:50:00,839 --> 00:50:03,179
"and he wants to hear
more of your songs
769
00:50:03,279 --> 00:50:10,021
"cos he's making a movie and he wants
to see if you can do the music for it."
770
00:50:10,121 --> 00:50:15,977
And so my publisher flew me
out to LA, out here,
771
00:50:16,077 --> 00:50:21,016
and Dennis took my songs
and showed them to Phil Spector
772
00:50:21,116 --> 00:50:23,619
and at the end of it, he said,
773
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,140
"Will you go down to Peru with me?
I'm making this movie,"
774
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:29,537
which was The Last Movie.
775
00:50:29,637 --> 00:50:33,219
And he took me down there
to do the music for it.
776
00:50:33,319 --> 00:50:37,618
I was just remembering
the plane trip down to Peru
777
00:50:37,718 --> 00:50:40,017
was one of the scariest things
I've been in.
778
00:50:40,117 --> 00:50:43,417
Here was a plane full of strange people,
779
00:50:43,517 --> 00:50:47,701
including myself,
but they were all so loaded
780
00:50:47,801 --> 00:50:50,938
and walking up and down the aisles
and singing and dancing
781
00:50:51,038 --> 00:50:54,619
and the plane was rocking,
it was some Peruvian airline.
782
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:58,257
It was, it was really a ship
of fools, you know?
783
00:50:58,357 --> 00:51:01,708
It's amazing that anybody
got out of that alive.
784
00:51:03,232 --> 00:51:05,180
By the time I got down to Peru,
785
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,658
I think he'd already antagonized
the Catholic Church,
786
00:51:09,758 --> 00:51:12,382
the military junta,
787
00:51:12,482 --> 00:51:16,139
the communists, who were building
a road that we had to take
788
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,702
from Cuzco up to Chinchero,
where they were filming.
789
00:51:20,712 --> 00:51:22,820
They cast all these friends of Dennis's,
790
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,941
Mitchum's son and all these
other guys that were huge
791
00:51:26,041 --> 00:51:29,540
and they rode on horses and took
an enormous quantity of drugs.
792
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:34,460
And being in the Andes,
in the cocaine capital of the world,
793
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,899
it was a very insane scene.
794
00:51:36,999 --> 00:51:43,546
But for me, it was an interesting
introduction to the film... to movies.
795
00:51:45,392 --> 00:51:48,660
Hey! Cut, cut. What the goddamn
hell's the matter with you, Tex?
796
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,179
- Where have you been?
- My name's Kansas, I'm...
797
00:51:51,279 --> 00:51:53,619
I don't care. Who hired him?
798
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,980
- Hey, man, you're in shot.
- OK, get out...
799
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:01,697
- He's supposed to be in the shot.
- I don't give a damn. Did you hire him?
800
00:52:01,797 --> 00:52:05,097
All right. Get your positions again
and on the double.
801
00:52:05,197 --> 00:52:09,977
Kansas, quit spooking that goddamn
horse, we're trying to get the shot, here.
802
00:52:10,077 --> 00:52:12,020
The movie was in Dennis's mind
803
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:16,019
so nobody else seemed to know what
was going on or what was happening.
804
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:20,099
I was convinced that we had a good
movie in the can so we all come back,
805
00:52:20,199 --> 00:52:24,418
Dennis goes to Taos, New Mexico,
806
00:52:24,518 --> 00:52:29,659
and, I think, he bought
DH Lawrence estate,
807
00:52:29,759 --> 00:52:31,860
which is a beautiful compound, and all.
808
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,061
And he decided
he's gonna edit the film there.
809
00:52:36,161 --> 00:52:38,978
Of course, he invited
all his buddies and everybody
810
00:52:39,078 --> 00:52:45,177
and it was endless 24-hour parties,
and all that stuff, you know,
811
00:52:45,277 --> 00:52:47,220
and spending money, and all,
812
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,581
and everybody was giving advice.
813
00:52:51,681 --> 00:52:53,897
You know, "You should do this, that."
814
00:52:53,997 --> 00:52:58,218
And basically, what happened, really,
Dennis screwed it up in editing.
815
00:52:58,318 --> 00:53:04,257
He didn't let anybody,
a professional editor, come in.
816
00:53:04,357 --> 00:53:06,497
And that's what he should have done.
817
00:53:06,597 --> 00:53:09,056
He was
going his own way.
818
00:53:09,156 --> 00:53:12,697
I think Dennis had probably been
fighting so long to do it his way
819
00:53:12,797 --> 00:53:16,220
that when he got a budget
which seemed outlandish at the time,
820
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,260
I think it was a million dollars,
821
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,940
he was not going to be
pushed around by anybody.
822
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,141
I wouldn't re-edit it,
which is what he wanted.
823
00:53:26,241 --> 00:53:30,298
- Did they re-cut it?
- They couldn't re-cut cos I had final cut.
824
00:53:30,398 --> 00:53:32,500
But I had final cut and cut my own throat.
825
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,897
The picture's demise was the first threat
826
00:53:34,997 --> 00:53:37,701
to the new power
studios were giving directors.
827
00:53:37,801 --> 00:53:41,177
Over at Paramount, studio heads
Robert Evans and Peter Bart
828
00:53:41,277 --> 00:53:43,497
were about to find
themselves homeless.
829
00:53:43,597 --> 00:53:45,780
Well, what happened was that,
830
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,380
reduced to simplest terms,
the Mafia bought the lot
831
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,856
with the Vatican bank as a front.
832
00:53:51,956 --> 00:53:56,338
It was arranged by a rather unsavoury
character named Michele Sindona.
833
00:53:56,438 --> 00:53:58,982
I say to you he was a bit unsavoury,
834
00:53:59,082 --> 00:54:02,377
he ended up being murdered
in a jail in Sicily,
835
00:54:02,477 --> 00:54:06,858
which I would suggest is a reasonable
qualification for unsavoury.
836
00:54:06,958 --> 00:54:09,901
But at this moment in time,
he was a banker.
837
00:54:10,001 --> 00:54:13,819
He bought the lot, immediately started
shooting porn movies on the lot.
838
00:54:13,919 --> 00:54:17,579
Evans and Bart moved
Paramount's offices to Beverly Hills.
839
00:54:17,679 --> 00:54:21,499
While this was going on, Mario Puzo
approached his friend, Bob Evans,
840
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:24,222
desperately in need of cash
for gambling debts.
841
00:54:24,322 --> 00:54:26,942
Evans wrote a cheque
on the spot for ten grand
842
00:54:27,042 --> 00:54:29,858
for an outline Puzo gave him
about the Mafia.
843
00:54:29,958 --> 00:54:33,939
The book was published and this
obscure project that I was nursing,
844
00:54:34,039 --> 00:54:37,902
that no one paid attention to was
the number one bestseller in the world.
845
00:54:38,002 --> 00:54:41,260
Suddenly, everybody in the studio
and in the parent company
846
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,141
had a better idea as to
who should direct and star in it.
847
00:54:44,241 --> 00:54:48,261
We talked to everybody.
Evans and I talked to almost everybody.
848
00:54:48,361 --> 00:54:51,540
Nobody wanted to do it.
It glorified the Mafia.
849
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:56,938
It made them Robin Hoods,
and all the excuses you can think of.
850
00:54:57,038 --> 00:55:01,620
All of a sudden, everybody got off
the picture. it couldn't be put together.
851
00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:09,621
And suddenly it turned up on my desk
again as an almost abandoned project.
852
00:55:09,721 --> 00:55:12,342
So... went back to plan A.
853
00:55:12,442 --> 00:55:16,062
I got a call from Peter
854
00:55:17,472 --> 00:55:21,352
asking me if I'd be interested
in producing The Godfather.
855
00:55:21,912 --> 00:55:24,267
I couldn't catch my breath for a minute.
856
00:55:25,272 --> 00:55:28,780
And, of course, I said,
"Beyond a shadow of a doubt."
857
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:33,258
He said, "Well, the one caveat
is Charlie Bluhdorn wants to meet.
858
00:55:33,358 --> 00:55:37,179
"He has to approve the producer
and the director of the Godfather.
859
00:55:37,279 --> 00:55:41,541
"Can you come to New York
to meet him?" And I said, "Absolutely."
860
00:55:41,641 --> 00:55:44,421
I was there in Stanley's office,
861
00:55:44,521 --> 00:55:46,460
the adjoining door flies open,
862
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,698
it's Charlie Bluhdorn,
this hyper, wacko Austrian.
863
00:55:50,798 --> 00:55:53,698
"Ruddy, I'm Charlie Bluhdorn."
"Yeah, hello."
864
00:55:53,798 --> 00:55:57,060
That was the last line, doesn't ask me
how was the flight? Nothing.
865
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,941
"What you wanna do with this movie?"
866
00:56:00,041 --> 00:56:02,140
I looked at him, I looked at my book.
867
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:06,271
If I start discussing this book,
it's the end of the meeting.
868
00:56:07,112 --> 00:56:09,060
I said, "Charlie,
869
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:13,862
"I wanna make an ice-blue,
terrifying movie about people you love."
870
00:56:15,472 --> 00:56:17,580
"That's brilliant."
871
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,578
He jumps... He runs
out of the office and slams the door.
872
00:56:20,678 --> 00:56:24,376
I say, "Stanley, what the hell is that?"
He says, "I'll find out."
873
00:56:24,476 --> 00:56:27,458
He says, "Charlie thinks
you're a genius. You got the job."
874
00:56:27,558 --> 00:56:30,777
Hollywood was stunned
when Paramount announced
875
00:56:30,877 --> 00:56:34,576
that their blockbuster
would be directed by Francis... who?
876
00:56:34,676 --> 00:56:36,657
Francis had, as a director,
877
00:56:36,757 --> 00:56:40,701
done You're A Big Boy Now,Finian's Rainbow, The Rain People.
878
00:56:40,801 --> 00:56:44,619
So it's not the greatest recommendation
for taking him over to direct,
879
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,379
so, truthfully, we hired Francis
as a result of his writing ability.
880
00:56:48,479 --> 00:56:51,740
He had already won the Academy Award,
just won it, for Patton.
881
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,898
Coppola initially
turned Paramount down.
882
00:56:54,998 --> 00:56:57,701
He didn't wanna do
a Hollywood gangster movie.
883
00:56:57,801 --> 00:57:02,460
The original Godfather book
had a lot of sleazy aspects to it
884
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,980
that were cut out for the movie and
I didn't like it much for those reasons
885
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:11,617
and I was very frightened of getting,
once again, coopted into another project,
886
00:57:11,717 --> 00:57:14,262
low budget, it was
a very inexpensive film.
887
00:57:14,362 --> 00:57:18,259
In those days, they wanted young
directors cos they wanted it cheap.
888
00:57:18,359 --> 00:57:21,461
And I did turn it down,
actually, once or twice.
889
00:57:21,561 --> 00:57:24,820
You know, the Zoetrope studio
wasn't working
890
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,382
and I admired his idealism
but he did have some kids
891
00:57:29,392 --> 00:57:32,937
and, erm, I reminded him rather
frequently that he was broke
892
00:57:33,037 --> 00:57:35,741
and that this would be one way
of getting out of it.
893
00:57:35,841 --> 00:57:38,506
And, er, he kind of agreed.
894
00:57:39,512 --> 00:57:43,499
While The Godfather preoccupied
the higher-ups at Paramount,
895
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:46,301
Bart and Evans gave the go-ahead
to a bizarre script
896
00:57:46,401 --> 00:57:49,181
helmed by a director considered
extremely eccentric,
897
00:57:49,281 --> 00:57:52,264
even by the standards
of '60s Hollywood.
898
00:57:54,032 --> 00:57:57,417
The prototypical early '70s meeting -
899
00:57:57,517 --> 00:58:01,578
Hal Ashby, who couldn't pitch anything.
900
00:58:01,678 --> 00:58:04,056
Long, scruffy beard,
901
00:58:04,156 --> 00:58:06,100
the ultimate film geek.
902
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,460
For a guy who, when you first met him,
903
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,581
looked like he would never be able
to tie his own shoes,
904
00:58:12,681 --> 00:58:15,658
that you worried about
if he was gonna cross the street,
905
00:58:15,758 --> 00:58:20,659
who would have surprised you if he'd
ever learnt how to use an ATM machine.
906
00:58:20,759 --> 00:58:23,099
But if you looked behind that a bit,
907
00:58:23,199 --> 00:58:27,817
here's a man who manipulated
the studios to do exactly as he wanted.
908
00:58:27,917 --> 00:58:30,658
He says, "I'd like
to introduce you to somebody
909
00:58:30,758 --> 00:58:32,700
"who got a sense of this movie."
910
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:34,857
Brings in Cat Stevens.
911
00:58:34,957 --> 00:58:39,018
Cat Stevens is not somebody you
would want to be in the same room with.
912
00:58:39,118 --> 00:58:41,539
He looked like a homeless person.
913
00:58:41,639 --> 00:58:46,460
And the two of them, in their inarticulate
'60s way, pitch Harold And Maude.
914
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,298
They had a great sense of the movie.
915
00:58:49,398 --> 00:58:53,501
But Bob and I had spent a few months
trying to persuade Hal to do it.
916
00:58:53,601 --> 00:58:56,099
Not till he met Cat
917
00:58:56,199 --> 00:58:59,221
and they came up with this idea
for, like, a mini opera,
918
00:58:59,321 --> 00:59:01,260
did this thing make sense.
919
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,498
We were this little unit
that was out of sight, out of mind.
920
00:59:05,598 --> 00:59:07,939
And they'd look at dailies.
921
00:59:08,039 --> 00:59:11,981
And Hal had a... His philosophy was,
922
00:59:12,081 --> 00:59:15,942
"Here's the script. You've hired me
as a director, I'm gonna cast it,
923
00:59:16,042 --> 00:59:18,257
"we've agreed on a budget, beat it."
924
00:59:18,357 --> 00:59:21,700
Midway through the cutting period,
we had half the film,
925
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,060
that he sent to Paramount
and they loved 'em.
926
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:28,385
They thought... They really thought...
So that we had a Christmas release.
927
00:59:47,672 --> 00:59:51,028
- Oh, it's all right.
- It's organic.
928
00:59:52,752 --> 00:59:55,216
The first review was Murph in Variety
929
00:59:55,316 --> 00:59:59,857
and it said, "Harold And Maude
is as funny as a burning orphanage."
930
00:59:59,957 --> 01:00:03,337
And I... And that was a good one.
931
01:00:03,437 --> 01:00:07,977
I mean, Time said, "We're gonna do you
a favour. We're not gonna review it."
932
01:00:08,077 --> 01:00:13,139
So. Erm, so that was the end of it.
It opened and closed in a week.
933
01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:16,857
And it was gone. Bingo.
I mean, it was so weird.
934
01:00:16,957 --> 01:00:21,549
And we'd spent a year on it,
you know, and... nobody got it.
935
01:00:24,232 --> 01:00:27,341
In the weeks before Christmas, 1971,
936
01:00:27,441 --> 01:00:32,100
Paramount Pictures began a nationwide
campaign advertising The Godfather.
937
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,098
They were doing something
no studio had ever done -
938
01:00:35,198 --> 01:00:40,498
opening a film everywhere at once
on an unprecedented 400 screens.
939
01:00:40,598 --> 01:00:42,976
The picture opened
to phenomenal business,
940
01:00:43,076 --> 01:00:45,739
grossing over $80 million
in its initial run.
941
01:00:45,839 --> 01:00:49,739
Nothing in Hollywood history had ever
made this much money this fast.
942
01:00:49,839 --> 01:00:52,941
They saw the amount of money
that came through the door,
943
01:00:53,041 --> 01:00:56,178
it was suddenly Gulf...
everything... News Corp...
944
01:00:56,278 --> 01:01:00,301
Everyone started looking
at studios differently.
945
01:01:00,401 --> 01:01:03,225
They started looking at studios
as real cash cows.
946
01:01:03,792 --> 01:01:08,178
The success of The Godfather
confirmed Coppola as a genuine artist.
947
01:01:08,278 --> 01:01:10,859
He would use
that power to help other directors.
948
01:01:10,959 --> 01:01:15,700
But first, he would bring the exiled
George Lucas back to Hollywood.
949
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,501
And, ultimately, what got Graffiti made
950
01:01:18,601 --> 01:01:23,100
was they said, "if Francis Coppola
produces this film, we'll do it."
951
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:29,622
George kept saying, "I know people will
love this movie, it will be a big hit."
952
01:01:29,722 --> 01:01:35,497
We said, "George, if you make this
movie, consider yourself very fortunate."
953
01:01:35,597 --> 01:01:40,180
It was just the joy of creating
something. We didn't have to use stars.
954
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:44,142
We didn't have to do anything
according to the rules.
955
01:01:44,242 --> 01:01:47,987
- We're all done out here.
- All done? What's he mean?
956
01:01:48,872 --> 01:01:52,380
Er, he means we're all done
having loads of fun out here.
957
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,820
Wonderful, have all the fun
you want. This place is for fun.
958
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,057
- Yes, it is. Thank you.
- Well.
959
01:01:58,157 --> 01:02:00,499
- Thank you both.
- Good luck, son.
960
01:02:00,599 --> 01:02:05,420
Wait. Before I say goodbye,
I hope you'll be taking along with you
961
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,620
a little piece of this place.
962
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:11,257
- I think I have.
- Good. Don't forget us.
963
01:02:11,357 --> 01:02:14,019
No, I won't forget you
and you won't forget me.
964
01:02:14,119 --> 01:02:16,619
- No, kid, bye-bye.
- Goodbye and good luck.
965
01:02:16,719 --> 01:02:18,980
- Bye.
- It was nice to meet you.
966
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,427
Right. What he said goes for me, too.
967
01:02:27,072 --> 01:02:29,260
You might just make it
as a Pharaoh yet, boy.
968
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:33,418
Everyone in that set believed
and said and stated aloud
969
01:02:33,518 --> 01:02:35,460
that this was a classic film.
970
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,857
That we were making a classic,
a cult movie,
971
01:02:38,957 --> 01:02:41,539
a movie that would be important.
972
01:02:41,639 --> 01:02:47,018
And I said, "What are you talking about?
This is just a little movie.
973
01:02:47,118 --> 01:02:52,738
"It's just a little thing. We're here
in Modesto. We're not making history."
974
01:02:52,838 --> 01:02:56,377
I'll never forget the horror
of the people at Universal,
975
01:02:56,477 --> 01:02:58,537
when they looked at this picture.
976
01:02:58,637 --> 01:03:01,900
"What is this? It's not even
good enough to run on television.
977
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,941
"What is this thing?" Someone said,
"The kids may like it."
978
01:03:05,041 --> 01:03:07,582
"'The kids? But they don't
go to the movies."
979
01:03:07,682 --> 01:03:09,780
The whole orientation was different.
980
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:13,380
There was a famous incident
where Francis said,
981
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:17,858
"if you don't like this movie and don't
want to do anything with it, I do.
982
01:03:17,958 --> 01:03:20,901
"I think it's great.
Here's a cheque and I'll buy it."
983
01:03:21,001 --> 01:03:24,500
We made no offer, there were
discussions and at the last moment,
984
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,541
Universal, smartly, decided to preview it
985
01:03:27,641 --> 01:03:32,018
before an audience
and deliberately invite some kids.
986
01:03:32,118 --> 01:03:36,221
And, of course, I knew the jig was up
cos the kids adored this movie.
987
01:03:36,321 --> 01:03:39,820
Universal said, "We thought of selling
this? We don't wanna sell it."
988
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:44,580
But there was no understanding
about the youth market. That was later.
989
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,019
With the success of American Graffiti,
990
01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:49,981
the door swung open
to Hollywood's next generation
991
01:03:50,081 --> 01:03:52,712
which was coming ashore in Malibu.
992
01:04:03,312 --> 01:04:07,740
And it was just one of my favourite
surfing spots on the whole coast.
993
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:11,781
And, all of a sudden, I find all
these people I know have houses there.
994
01:04:11,881 --> 01:04:15,576
Donald Sutherland was an old lover
of mine from Canada.
995
01:04:15,676 --> 01:04:20,180
He told me about this house on Nicholas
Beach that was 400 bucks a month.
996
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:24,019
It was a great house, right on the beach
with two bedrooms upstairs
997
01:04:24,119 --> 01:04:28,897
and in that hideous '60s
A-line split-level style
998
01:04:28,997 --> 01:04:33,378
with an avocado-green shag rug
and it was about that deep.
999
01:04:33,478 --> 01:04:37,139
It was very beautiful and very free
out there. The ocean was incredible.
1000
01:04:37,239 --> 01:04:40,378
We were right on these beautiful dunes
on a private road
1001
01:04:40,478 --> 01:04:43,618
and Michael and Julia Phillips
rented a house on the beach.
1002
01:04:43,718 --> 01:04:46,821
Julia and Michael Phillips
had produced a hit,
1003
01:04:46,921 --> 01:04:48,860
The Sting, for Universal.
1004
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,417
We met as neighbours
and became very good friends
1005
01:04:52,517 --> 01:04:56,861
and became, I guess,
co-conspirators in a sense,
1006
01:04:56,961 --> 01:04:58,900
unconscious co-conspirators,
1007
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:05,017
in that we began to mix our friends
and relationships on a social level
1008
01:05:05,117 --> 01:05:07,821
but it became an important career thing.
1009
01:05:07,921 --> 01:05:11,260
Jenny and I were quite arrogant
about being the queen bees
1010
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:13,657
who decided who was in
and who was out
1011
01:05:13,757 --> 01:05:18,667
in this peculiar little rapidly-growing
crowd of misfits.
1012
01:05:19,792 --> 01:05:23,619
Jenny was friends with Brian De Palma,
who I promptly got a crush on.
1013
01:05:23,719 --> 01:05:27,459
They became an item
and he brought Marty out,
1014
01:05:27,559 --> 01:05:30,341
Marty Scorsese,
who brought Harvey Keitel out.
1015
01:05:30,441 --> 01:05:33,141
This odd friend of his, Harvey Keitel,
1016
01:05:33,241 --> 01:05:36,617
who came with Marty,
you didn't get one without the other.
1017
01:05:36,717 --> 01:05:39,379
And then, like, Schrader was there.
1018
01:05:39,479 --> 01:05:44,662
Marty, or Brian, had another place
and Michael and Julia Phillips had one
1019
01:05:44,762 --> 01:05:48,659
and between the three places,
people would run into each other.
1020
01:05:48,759 --> 01:05:53,819
I think Milius... Did he know Brian or...?
Did he know Marty?
1021
01:05:53,919 --> 01:05:56,978
Who first brought Bobby De Niro out?
And Al Pacino?
1022
01:05:57,078 --> 01:06:00,340
That's easy, he was going out with Jill.
1023
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:05,745
And Margie brought home
her darling little friend Steven Spielberg.
1024
01:06:08,032 --> 01:06:11,380
A bunch of actors,
you know, lots of girls.
1025
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,271
I'm telling you, life was good.
1026
01:06:16,472 --> 01:06:20,299
Steven certainly wasn't a ladies' man
and Marty wasn't
1027
01:06:20,399 --> 01:06:22,340
and Paul Schrader wasn't.
1028
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,380
I think these were just like...
1029
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:28,741
The truth is, on some level,
they were nerdy guys
1030
01:06:28,841 --> 01:06:32,457
who wanted to hang out
and talk movies and make movies.
1031
01:06:32,557 --> 01:06:35,661
There was a chemistry going on
1032
01:06:35,761 --> 01:06:41,537
between these people having a chance
to meet and talk and hang out.
1033
01:06:41,637 --> 01:06:45,619
Well, Julia Phillips,
she pulled everybody together.
1034
01:06:45,719 --> 01:06:48,059
She wanted to exploit everybody.
1035
01:06:48,159 --> 01:06:51,777
But she actually had
a very positive effect,
1036
01:06:51,877 --> 01:06:53,820
cos she was full of enthusiasm.
1037
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,898
"What movie do you want to do?
Let's get this done."
1038
01:06:56,998 --> 01:07:00,217
We all really rooted for each other
in every way -
1039
01:07:00,317 --> 01:07:02,500
went to each other's screenings,
1040
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:06,541
read each other's screenplays,
offered suggestions,
1041
01:07:06,641 --> 01:07:09,182
advised on each other's love life.
1042
01:07:09,282 --> 01:07:14,216
It was all in the pot and up for grabs
and very much a communal experience.
1043
01:07:14,316 --> 01:07:18,341
Nicholas Beach,
with its rabid film buff culture,
1044
01:07:18,441 --> 01:07:21,620
would create both competition
and inspiration.
1045
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:25,459
Imagine De Palma, Spielberg,
Schrader, Milius, Scorsese,
1046
01:07:25,559 --> 01:07:29,858
all arguing over movies,
favourite directors and possible projects.
1047
01:07:29,958 --> 01:07:34,939
They drove each other to think
and believe they could make great films.
1048
01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:37,439
Run, Bertha!
1049
01:07:37,639 --> 01:07:42,576
The young Scorsese had only directed
the Corman-produced Boxcar Bertha.
1050
01:07:42,676 --> 01:07:47,420
He would prove his talent to his buddies
with a film from the streets.
1051
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:51,898
The characters in Mean Streets
are a compilation of many characters
1052
01:07:51,998 --> 01:07:55,377
in the neighbourhood
where I used to live...
1053
01:07:55,477 --> 01:07:57,537
but he lived there all his life.
1054
01:07:57,637 --> 01:08:00,378
Jonathan Taplin was
a rock a roll refugee
1055
01:08:00,478 --> 01:08:02,377
who decided to check out movies.
1056
01:08:02,477 --> 01:08:07,379
I was kind of arrogant enough...
I didn't know what I didn't know.
1057
01:08:07,479 --> 01:08:13,257
So I figured if I could have produced
300 rock and roll concerts in four years
1058
01:08:13,357 --> 01:08:15,657
why couldn't I produce a movie?
1059
01:08:15,757 --> 01:08:19,217
Sol put some of my money in,
a couple of friends' money in,
1060
01:08:19,317 --> 01:08:21,659
we got together half a million dollars
1061
01:08:21,759 --> 01:08:24,658
and we made Mean Streets.
1062
01:08:24,758 --> 01:08:27,419
Nothing. I won't say nothing to Giovanni.
1063
01:08:27,519 --> 01:08:29,976
Hey, I wanted to ask you something.
1064
01:08:30,076 --> 01:08:32,978
I've always wondered about her -
God's honest truth -
1065
01:08:33,078 --> 01:08:35,377
what happens when she comes?
1066
01:08:35,477 --> 01:08:36,978
- What?
- What's that?
1067
01:08:37,078 --> 01:08:40,181
What happens when she comes?
I mean...
1068
01:08:40,281 --> 01:08:43,497
You dirty, two-faced fucking fag,
don't ever hit me again!
1069
01:08:43,597 --> 01:08:44,797
Don't!
1070
01:08:46,752 --> 01:08:48,977
- All right, I think I am gonna...
- Go ahead.
1071
01:08:49,077 --> 01:08:51,020
- Right now.
- Go on!
1072
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,858
I'll tear your fuckin' eyes out!
1073
01:08:53,958 --> 01:08:57,417
- I'm gonna kill you, bastard!
- Go on!
1074
01:08:57,517 --> 01:09:00,517
Teresa! Teresa.
1075
01:09:00,917 --> 01:09:02,897
What do you do? Do you know?
1076
01:09:02,997 --> 01:09:04,397
Johnny!
1077
01:09:05,476 --> 01:09:08,820
How should I know?
She's your fucking girl.
1078
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:10,869
- Get over here.
- Get off.
1079
01:09:12,712 --> 01:09:14,112
Teresa?
1080
01:09:15,037 --> 01:09:19,460
Hey, do you know what to do?
1081
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:23,618
Marty had his circle of friends
1082
01:09:23,718 --> 01:09:27,097
and they loved the picture.
1083
01:09:27,197 --> 01:09:30,620
They just totally loved it,
they saw its originality.
1084
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:35,627
I remember the first executive
we showed it to...
1085
01:09:36,912 --> 01:09:41,500
who shall remain nameless,
after a few minutes
1086
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:46,020
he got up and he said,
"Listen, gentlemen,
1087
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:49,737
"thanks for bringing it in
but this is not gonna work."
1088
01:09:49,837 --> 01:09:51,301
So he walked out.
1089
01:09:51,401 --> 01:09:54,101
And so Marty's, like, dying.
1090
01:09:54,201 --> 01:09:59,818
I'm thinking, "I've put my life savings
into something and I'll never get it back."
1091
01:09:59,918 --> 01:10:02,542
And then we came here, to Warner Bros.
1092
01:10:02,642 --> 01:10:04,820
And the movie starts
1093
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:08,297
and about ten minutes into the movie
this waiter arrives.
1094
01:10:08,397 --> 01:10:10,340
"Who's got the tuna on rye?"
1095
01:10:10,440 --> 01:10:12,779
And Marty's just, again, dying.
1096
01:10:12,879 --> 01:10:18,099
This guy's standing right in the middle,
the waiter's projected on the screen.
1097
01:10:18,199 --> 01:10:20,547
And eventually it settles down and...
1098
01:10:21,632 --> 01:10:24,421
they're starting to laugh
cos these are New York guys,
1099
01:10:24,521 --> 01:10:28,898
they understand that kind of Catholic,
Jewish, weird New York humour.
1100
01:10:28,998 --> 01:10:32,941
And I'm beginning to think,
"Well, this is gonna be OK."
1101
01:10:33,041 --> 01:10:36,417
And then, about two-thirds
of the way through the movie,
1102
01:10:36,517 --> 01:10:40,977
John Calley, who was way up front,
gets up and starts to walk back
1103
01:10:41,077 --> 01:10:44,899
and I thought, "Oh, my God,
this is disastrous, he's leaving."
1104
01:10:44,999 --> 01:10:48,101
And he comes and he sits down
next to me and he says,
1105
01:10:48,201 --> 01:10:51,939
"This is the best movie I've seen all year
but I have to take a leak,
1106
01:10:52,039 --> 01:10:53,980
"would you mind stopping it?"
1107
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,020
I said, "Sure, what button do I push?"
1108
01:10:56,120 --> 01:11:00,461
So we stopped and he went out
and came back.
1109
01:11:00,561 --> 01:11:04,698
We finished the movie, he just got up
and said, "We're buying it.
1110
01:11:04,798 --> 01:11:08,220
"I don't want you to sell it
to anybody else but us."
1111
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:12,219
And so that was...
All of sudden we were up.
1112
01:11:12,319 --> 01:11:15,937
Marty popped two Valiums,
he was fine.
1113
01:11:16,037 --> 01:11:19,577
About three weeks later,
1114
01:11:19,677 --> 01:11:24,180
we had a meeting with Jay Cocks
and Marty and Bob Evans.
1115
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:28,221
He was saying, "Why didn't you guys
sell this movie to us?"
1116
01:11:28,321 --> 01:11:32,139
We had to... We had to rat on Peter Bart.
1117
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:35,748
Mean Streets opened
to ecstatic critical reviews
1118
01:11:37,272 --> 01:11:40,628
in an era when reviews
really made a difference.
1119
01:11:41,872 --> 01:11:44,858
Well, obviously it was a different time,
1120
01:11:44,958 --> 01:11:48,699
but there was a sense that film criticism
was part of the movement
1121
01:11:48,799 --> 01:11:53,859
and that film critics were there
at the barricades.
1122
01:11:53,959 --> 01:11:56,821
You know... you know,
1123
01:11:56,921 --> 01:12:00,579
with the sort of
political message of Godard
1124
01:12:00,679 --> 01:12:04,137
in Week End and La Chinoise.
1125
01:12:04,237 --> 01:12:07,857
And, you know,
it seems rather preposterous today
1126
01:12:07,957 --> 01:12:11,736
to think of a film critic
as part of a political movement.
1127
01:12:11,836 --> 01:12:16,617
But clearly that's how a lot of us
thought of ourselves.
1128
01:12:16,717 --> 01:12:20,459
But even as the critics brought
audiences back into theatres,
1129
01:12:20,559 --> 01:12:25,097
the studios began to understand what
kind of film could really bring money in.
1130
01:12:25,197 --> 01:12:28,779
It opened in New York
and it did very well in New York
1131
01:12:28,879 --> 01:12:34,657
but then, literally, in the fifth
or sixth week that they'd been working it,
1132
01:12:34,757 --> 01:12:36,381
The Exorcist came out
1133
01:12:36,481 --> 01:12:39,777
and that just sucked up
all the Warner Bros oxygen
1134
01:12:39,877 --> 01:12:44,708
and that was it, that's where
they were gonna take their energies.
1135
01:12:45,752 --> 01:12:49,701
With The Exorcist, Warner Bros copied
Paramount's Godfather strategy -
1136
01:12:49,801 --> 01:12:54,257
opening the picture all over the country,
on hundreds of screens.
1137
01:12:54,357 --> 01:12:59,100
It was Friedkins' second hit after the
hugely successful French Connection
1138
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:02,896
and he joined the growing list
of directors who could do no wrong.
1139
01:13:02,996 --> 01:13:05,825
Hollywood now belonged to the auteurs.
1140
01:13:13,672 --> 01:13:16,302
Eagerly grabbing up
these new media stars,
1141
01:13:16,402 --> 01:13:19,538
Paramount's Charlie Bluhdorn
set up the Directors Company
1142
01:13:19,638 --> 01:13:22,778
with Friedkin, Coppola
and Bogdanovich,
1143
01:13:22,878 --> 01:13:26,821
ignoring industry concern
about inflated directorial egos.
1144
01:13:26,921 --> 01:13:30,861
it was a signal that the producer
could be pushed off to the side
1145
01:13:30,961 --> 01:13:35,301
and the directors were the people
responsible for making the picture.
1146
01:13:35,401 --> 01:13:40,220
Nobody ever suggested the director
wasn't the director of the movie.
1147
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:44,458
But then, nobody should complain,
when you give him 100% freedom,
1148
01:13:44,558 --> 01:13:49,300
about why the pictures cost so much
or why they're not talking to the studio.
1149
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:51,457
I think that was a terrible mistake.
1150
01:13:51,557 --> 01:13:55,778
Coppola's first film for the new company
was The Conversation,
1151
01:13:55,878 --> 01:14:01,338
a small, artful film that took a long time
to recoup its relatively small budget.
1152
01:14:01,438 --> 01:14:04,258
- I didn't mean to tell you on that level.
- No, no.
1153
01:14:04,358 --> 01:14:08,780
Bogdanovich folded his Paper Moon
into the new company...
1154
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:10,299
What company you from?
1155
01:14:10,399 --> 01:14:13,580
..but then stumbled with
his follow-up, Daisy Miller.
1156
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:16,302
After viewing Daisy Miller
and The Conversation,
1157
01:14:16,402 --> 01:14:21,661
Billy Friedkin bailed on his friends
to make the hugely expensive Sorcerer.
1158
01:14:21,761 --> 01:14:26,058
The picture flopped
and seriously damaged Friedkin's career.
1159
01:14:26,158 --> 01:14:28,457
As the budgets and egos grew,
1160
01:14:28,557 --> 01:14:33,060
a self-righteous sense of artistic
entitlement began separating Hollywood
1161
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:36,739
from the rest of the outside world,
which was exploding.
1162
01:14:36,839 --> 01:14:39,419
US involvement with the war
was still expanding
1163
01:14:39,519 --> 01:14:41,628
and the ghettos were still aflame.
1164
01:14:56,952 --> 01:14:59,938
There were exceptions
to this self-involvement.
1165
01:15:00,038 --> 01:15:04,497
Bert Schneider and Bob Rafelson had
continued BBS's successful run of films
1166
01:15:04,597 --> 01:15:06,860
with Rafelson's Five Easy Pieces.
1167
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:11,620
But Bert, having conquered Hollywood,
turned away from make-believe.
1168
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:16,822
Bert felt the need to put his money
where his mouth was.
1169
01:15:16,922 --> 01:15:19,339
He believed in certain things.
1170
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:21,417
Hi there. Black power.
1171
01:15:21,517 --> 01:15:25,940
Bert's involvements
with other non-filmic things
1172
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:29,018
such as Huey Newton
and the Black Panthers,
1173
01:15:29,118 --> 01:15:33,301
such as Abbie Hoffman, who Bert
supported while he was underground...
1174
01:15:33,401 --> 01:15:35,952
Huey Newton would be at those parties.
1175
01:15:37,112 --> 01:15:41,141
And I don't know a lot of the specifics
1176
01:15:41,241 --> 01:15:45,820
but legend has it that he got some guns
to the Panthers.
1177
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:49,819
In 1974, Bert produced the Academy
Award-winning documentary
1178
01:15:49,919 --> 01:15:51,977
on the Vietnam War, Hearts And Minds.
1179
01:15:52,077 --> 01:15:54,020
Accepting his Oscar,
1180
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:58,737
Schneider read a telegram conveying
greetings of friendship to all Americans
1181
01:15:58,837 --> 01:16:01,382
from Vietnam's
revolutionary government.
1182
01:16:01,482 --> 01:16:03,777
There was a moment of shocked silence
1183
01:16:03,877 --> 01:16:07,097
before a burst of applause
and scattered hisses.
1184
01:16:07,197 --> 01:16:11,541
Meanwhile, Sam Peckinpah was
continuing his politically incorrect ways.
1185
01:16:11,641 --> 01:16:14,219
After scoring
with the violent Wild Bunch,
1186
01:16:14,319 --> 01:16:18,219
he had alienated women
with the sexist Straw Dogs.
1187
01:16:18,319 --> 01:16:20,537
Sam was like a dog that you love
1188
01:16:20,637 --> 01:16:24,830
but he's always doing something
that kind of embarrasses you.
1189
01:16:26,072 --> 01:16:30,298
I don't even think
Sam would be allowed to get into LA,
1190
01:16:30,398 --> 01:16:32,340
much less work in LA.
1191
01:16:32,440 --> 01:16:35,940
He was a total outlaw
and one of the last of a breed.
1192
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:38,220
He was like one of the Wild Bunch.v
1193
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:42,581
There was clearly
a case of a real survivor.
1194
01:16:42,681 --> 01:16:46,427
I mean, Sam had the mentality...
He used to, like...
1195
01:16:47,512 --> 01:16:51,382
He couldn't really create
until he was face down in the barroom,
1196
01:16:51,482 --> 01:16:54,937
dead broke,
with everyone laughing at him.
1197
01:16:55,037 --> 01:16:59,460
Dylan came to see me
and by then we had cast Kristofferson.
1198
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:05,221
He said, "You know, I gotta tell you
that in a past life I was Billy the Kid."
1199
01:17:05,321 --> 01:17:09,458
So I said, "Well, that's great,
Bob, that's why you're in."
1200
01:17:09,558 --> 01:17:13,980
So two weeks later we flew down
to Durango and we went to see Sam.
1201
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:18,857
It was late at night,
Sam lived kind of outside of town.
1202
01:17:18,957 --> 01:17:23,141
We walked up towards the house
and there was this scream
1203
01:17:23,241 --> 01:17:25,978
and this maid ran out, just terrified.
1204
01:17:26,078 --> 01:17:28,739
And we heard a shot.
1205
01:17:28,839 --> 01:17:34,697
And I thought, "Oh, man, this is gonna
blow the whole thing with Bob."
1206
01:17:34,797 --> 01:17:36,820
Hey, Pete, who's that out there?
1207
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:39,419
I knocked on Sam's door,
1208
01:17:39,519 --> 01:17:43,471
pushed it open and Sam was standing
in front of this mirror,
1209
01:17:44,992 --> 01:17:47,461
completely naked,
with a gun in his hand.
1210
01:17:57,432 --> 01:18:00,657
This mirror was totally blown to hell
1211
01:18:00,757 --> 01:18:05,537
and he was looking at his reflection
and didn't say anything.
1212
01:18:05,637 --> 01:18:08,581
He had a bottle in one hand
and a gun in the other.
1213
01:18:08,681 --> 01:18:10,817
I said, "Sam, this is Bob Dylan."
1214
01:18:10,917 --> 01:18:14,819
In the end, Dylan's soundtrack made
more money than Peckinpah's film.
1215
01:18:14,919 --> 01:18:17,818
He was trying
to make something good.
1216
01:18:17,918 --> 01:18:24,501
Unfortunately, so much creative energy,
I felt, was expended
1217
01:18:24,601 --> 01:18:28,579
in fighting the guys who were
supposed to be on his side, you know?
1218
01:18:28,679 --> 01:18:31,136
The studio, the producers or whatever.
1219
01:18:31,236 --> 01:18:35,016
As the alcoholic Peckinpah fought MGM
over his director's cut,
1220
01:18:35,116 --> 01:18:40,136
a rising star gave one of the boys
from Malibu his first studio gig.
1221
01:18:40,236 --> 01:18:44,059
Ellen Burstyn had just become a big star
in Warner Bros' The Exorcist
1222
01:18:44,159 --> 01:18:47,298
and was offered a picture
where she could pick the director.
1223
01:18:47,398 --> 01:18:49,942
So I called Francis Coppola...
1224
01:18:50,042 --> 01:18:53,380
and I asked him, "Do you know
anybody new and exciting?"
1225
01:18:53,480 --> 01:18:57,022
He said, "Look at a film
called Mean Streets.v"
1226
01:18:58,112 --> 01:19:01,707
Marty came in and I said,
"I loved your movie...
1227
01:19:03,192 --> 01:19:05,257
"but it's really all about men
1228
01:19:05,357 --> 01:19:08,301
"and this picture is
from a woman's point of view.
1229
01:19:08,401 --> 01:19:13,177
"And I can't tell from that movie if you
know anything about women. Do you?"
1230
01:19:13,277 --> 01:19:15,548
He said, "No, but I'd like to learn."
1231
01:19:16,632 --> 01:19:20,705
So I thought that was as good an answer
as I could ever imagine.
1232
01:19:21,592 --> 01:19:24,658
Scorsese surrounded himself
with women for Alice,
1233
01:19:24,758 --> 01:19:28,739
partially to help him artistically,
partially to protect himself.
1234
01:19:28,839 --> 01:19:32,941
He made his girlfriend Sandy Weintraub
the associate producer,
1235
01:19:33,041 --> 01:19:36,902
then hired Toby Rafelson,
who'd recently split from husband Bob
1236
01:19:37,002 --> 01:19:41,058
after he'd become too open
about his many sexual infidelities.
1237
01:19:41,158 --> 01:19:45,066
Finally, George Lucas's wife Marcia
came on as editor.
1238
01:19:45,832 --> 01:19:49,302
- Donald!
- That's OK, boy. That's OK, you run!
1239
01:19:51,912 --> 01:19:53,259
Alice...
1240
01:19:53,359 --> 01:19:58,301
But in Hollywood the only relationships
that seemed to last were between men.
1241
01:19:59,392 --> 01:20:01,420
At Paramount, Bob Evans,
1242
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,062
Roman Polanski, Jack Nicholson
and Robert Towne
1243
01:20:04,162 --> 01:20:08,181
were creating a classic noir tale
of 1930s Los Angeles,
1244
01:20:08,281 --> 01:20:13,100
a film made even darker when Polanski,
still scarred by his wife's murder,
1245
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:17,860
insisted on changing Towne's script
to reflect what he saw in reality.
1246
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,416
Faye Dunaway's character is murdered
1247
01:20:20,516 --> 01:20:24,137
and her daughter returned
to her incestual father
1248
01:20:24,237 --> 01:20:27,979
Chinatown's artistic success
justified the studios' faith
1249
01:20:28,079 --> 01:20:30,020
in the director as auteur.
1250
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:33,657
By the mid-'70s, audiences
had returned to the theatres.
1251
01:20:33,757 --> 01:20:38,340
The Godfather, American Graffiti
and The Exorcist were packing them in.
1252
01:20:38,440 --> 01:20:42,541
A new generation of directors
like Coppola, Bogdanovich, Hopper,
1253
01:20:42,641 --> 01:20:47,060
Penn, Peckinpah, Scorsese and Altman
had made movies relevant again
1254
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:50,298
with handcrafted films
that spoke to modern audiences.
1255
01:20:50,398 --> 01:20:52,899
But now that the studios had
audiences back,
1256
01:20:52,999 --> 01:20:55,456
did they really have
to deal with the huge egos
1257
01:20:55,556 --> 01:20:58,740
and autocratic control
directors demanded?
1258
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:01,057
Before the question could be asked,
1259
01:21:01,157 --> 01:21:04,979
the first cracks were appearing
in this auterist utopia.
1260
01:21:05,079 --> 01:21:09,421
Trouble is the studios think
you're infallible.
1261
01:21:09,521 --> 01:21:12,658
Suddenly you're fallible,
you make a mistake,
1262
01:21:12,758 --> 01:21:14,737
you screw up, they lose some money,
1263
01:21:14,837 --> 01:21:17,179
then they get nervous
about the next one.
1264
01:21:17,279 --> 01:21:21,977
Peter Bogdanovich stumbled badly with
At Long Last Love and Daisy Miller.
1265
01:21:22,077 --> 01:21:26,660
Dennis Hopper's career was lost
in a snowstorm of drugs and paranoia.
1266
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:29,498
Now the BBS had essentially shut down,
1267
01:21:29,598 --> 01:21:32,817
Bob Rafelson watched
his directorial ambitions collapse
1268
01:21:32,917 --> 01:21:36,782
under the weight of The King
Of Marvin Gardens and Stay Hungry.
1269
01:21:36,882 --> 01:21:39,459
And Robert Altman,
after four commercial flops,
1270
01:21:39,559 --> 01:21:43,661
adroitly sidestepped
studio indifference to Nashville
1271
01:21:43,761 --> 01:21:46,738
by involving critic Pauline Kael
in editing.
1272
01:21:46,838 --> 01:21:52,580
Her endorsement made it Altman's last
commercial success for many years.
1273
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:56,898
What happened
to the directors like Peter,
1274
01:21:56,998 --> 01:21:59,339
like Altman, like Peckinpah...
1275
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:01,540
They were doing whatever they wanted,
1276
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:04,980
smoking dope, drinking,
and they lost their minds.
1277
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:07,260
I really think that's what happened.
1278
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,300
It was the age of excess.
1279
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:13,219
We didn't know enough,
we were too successful,
1280
01:22:13,319 --> 01:22:17,059
we probably were somewhat arrogant -
I speak for a lot of us -
1281
01:22:17,159 --> 01:22:19,499
and we made some big mistakes.
1282
01:22:19,599 --> 01:22:21,540
As the directors started stumbling,
1283
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:24,857
Warren Beatty positioned himself
to take control.
1284
01:22:24,957 --> 01:22:26,157
Honey!
1285
01:22:26,681 --> 01:22:30,666
- My God, it's Lester! Get up, get up!
- Doll?
1286
01:22:31,672 --> 01:22:33,620
- Jackie?
- Oh, God.
1287
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:36,431
- Uh...
- Jackie, you sleeping?
1288
01:22:38,432 --> 01:22:39,832
Jackie?
1289
01:22:41,992 --> 01:22:43,392
Jackie?
1290
01:22:48,352 --> 01:22:51,141
Oh, shut the door, shut the door, honey.
1291
01:22:51,241 --> 01:22:54,021
- Come on!
- Oh.
1292
01:22:54,121 --> 01:22:55,321
Sorry.
1293
01:22:58,512 --> 01:23:01,461
Warren had a lot to say
about the production,
1294
01:23:01,561 --> 01:23:05,581
obviously because he was co-writing it
and co-producing
1295
01:23:05,681 --> 01:23:08,302
and actually, it was his baby.
1296
01:23:08,402 --> 01:23:10,697
Hal was frustrated by it on one level
1297
01:23:10,797 --> 01:23:14,060
because like most directors,
he wanted to be in charge.
1298
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:16,702
I don't think he was in charge
on that film.
1299
01:23:16,802 --> 01:23:19,459
Warren is a very unique person, too,
1300
01:23:19,559 --> 01:23:23,299
and he is so strong, you know, he's...
1301
01:23:23,399 --> 01:23:28,017
Whatever he has in mind,
one way or another, he's gonna get it.
1302
01:23:28,117 --> 01:23:31,982
So here was this situation
between him and Hal,
1303
01:23:32,082 --> 01:23:34,898
who was also equally very strong.
1304
01:23:34,998 --> 01:23:38,862
So he said, "OK.
We're gonna do my takes first."
1305
01:23:38,962 --> 01:23:42,257
And we did eight or ten takes.
1306
01:23:42,357 --> 01:23:45,657
And Hal says, "OK, I'm happy now,
let's do whatever."
1307
01:23:45,757 --> 01:23:49,579
And hey, it was Hal's
most successful film.
1308
01:23:49,679 --> 01:23:51,657
I mean, so, what do you say?
1309
01:23:51,757 --> 01:23:54,136
Shampoo was so successful
1310
01:23:54,236 --> 01:23:58,501
it gave Ashby the clout to make
his next picture without stars.
1311
01:23:58,601 --> 01:24:02,137
Bound For Glory was a biography
of singer Woody Guthrie
1312
01:24:02,237 --> 01:24:06,271
and his attempts to help organize
poor workers into unions.
1313
01:24:07,792 --> 01:24:10,501
Ashby, like Guthrie,
was uncompromising.
1314
01:24:10,601 --> 01:24:13,578
The picture soon went
far over budget and worse,
1315
01:24:13,678 --> 01:24:16,621
failed to connect with an audience.
1316
01:24:16,721 --> 01:24:18,777
The public's taste was changing
1317
01:24:18,877 --> 01:24:21,830
and it would be fed
by one of the movie nerds from Malibu.
1318
01:24:27,992 --> 01:24:32,021
I was so deeply unaware
of what was going on in the studios,
1319
01:24:32,121 --> 01:24:34,742
I didn't get that part of Steven until later.
1320
01:24:34,842 --> 01:24:39,340
He did know what was going on
at the studios, he was the wunderkind,
1321
01:24:39,440 --> 01:24:43,818
I think he dropped a year off his age,
or a couple, I'm sure he did.
1322
01:24:43,918 --> 01:24:47,268
Um, cos he started out older than me.
1323
01:24:48,792 --> 01:24:52,858
Spielberg had become
a Universal contract director in TV
1324
01:24:52,958 --> 01:24:56,822
and had risen out of that ghetto
with the TV movie Duel.
1325
01:24:56,922 --> 01:24:59,100
He was 28 when he started the movie
1326
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:02,976
that would change him
and the movie business forever.
1327
01:25:03,076 --> 01:25:07,537
I saw him become a huge character.
1328
01:25:07,637 --> 01:25:12,257
The demands and pressures
that were thrown at him,
1329
01:25:12,357 --> 01:25:20,059
that were staggeringly difficult
and painful and...
1330
01:25:20,159 --> 01:25:24,580
And he rose...
He just did it, he did his job.
1331
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:26,620
For a writer it wasn't too tough,
1332
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:29,900
except that I was writing a few days
ahead of the schedule
1333
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:34,537
and I shared a house with Steven
so we talked about nothing but the film.
1334
01:25:34,637 --> 01:25:37,698
I didn't have to go on the water
the last two months.
1335
01:25:37,798 --> 01:25:42,779
Steven, Roy and Ricky were going out
every day with Robert and the crew
1336
01:25:42,879 --> 01:25:45,661
to get maybe 30 seconds of usable film.
1337
01:25:45,761 --> 01:25:49,339
Bad weather
and a recalcitrant mechanical shark
1338
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:53,658
drove the picture wildly over budget
and behind schedule.
1339
01:25:53,758 --> 01:25:56,179
Two-thirds of the way
through the shoot,
1340
01:25:56,279 --> 01:25:59,620
the studio flew out
to see why the picture was in trouble.
1341
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:02,980
They were met by a director
who didn't smoke or drink
1342
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:07,181
and would set aside his own ego
when dealing with studio executives.
1343
01:26:07,281 --> 01:26:10,540
The result - the Universal suits
went back to Hollywood
1344
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:12,820
and Spielberg finished his film.
1345
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:17,899
I left the shoot on a Wednesday,
after six months we were wrapping.
1346
01:26:17,999 --> 01:26:19,977
We still had a couple of more shots,
1347
01:26:20,077 --> 01:26:22,941
including the shot
which exploded the shark.
1348
01:26:23,041 --> 01:26:27,540
Roy Scheider goes bam and the shark...
A pretty involved and intricate shot.
1349
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:30,182
So I had flown to Boston
1350
01:26:30,282 --> 01:26:35,339
and I met Steven in Boston
and got on the plane with him to LA
1351
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:38,578
and I said, "So how did the shot go?"
1352
01:26:38,678 --> 01:26:43,180
He said, "They're doing it now."
I said, "Well, why aren't you there?"
1353
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:46,976
And he kind of gave me this insane grin
1354
01:26:47,076 --> 01:26:50,617
and he had bailed,
he'd just said, "I can't do this."
1355
01:26:50,717 --> 01:26:54,741
He had put that shot
in the hands of his AD
1356
01:26:54,841 --> 01:26:56,780
and he had skipped,
1357
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:59,581
which was his way of going
completely insane.
1358
01:26:59,681 --> 01:27:04,420
While Spielberg and editor Verna Fields
assembled the shark movie,
1359
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:06,657
some of the other Malibu film makers
1360
01:27:06,757 --> 01:27:10,137
were slipping a dark nightmare
through the studio gates.
1361
01:27:10,237 --> 01:27:12,500
I had gone
to UCLA film school.
1362
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:17,666
I'd gone to the AFI the very first year
it began, when it was all free,
1363
01:27:18,752 --> 01:27:22,499
and then a number of things
had fallen apart in my life.
1364
01:27:22,599 --> 01:27:26,339
I was in debt,
I wasn't making any money,
1365
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:28,460
marriage had fallen apart,
1366
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:32,581
I had left the AFI in protest
over some of their policies.
1367
01:27:32,681 --> 01:27:36,297
So I really didn't have
much of a place to go or much of a life.
1368
01:27:36,397 --> 01:27:39,458
I took to wandering
and kind of drifting around.
1369
01:27:39,558 --> 01:27:43,379
And it was out of that period
of drifting, and drinking,
1370
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:47,479
that, uh... l, um...
1371
01:27:48,992 --> 01:27:54,016
started having this pain and finally went
to the hospital and I had an ulcer.
1372
01:27:54,116 --> 01:27:56,220
26 years old.
1373
01:27:56,320 --> 01:28:00,857
I realized in the emergency area that
I hadn't spoken to anybody in weeks.
1374
01:28:00,957 --> 01:28:06,231
I'd just been drifting around in this car,
sleeping in my car.
1375
01:28:07,312 --> 01:28:10,668
And so the metaphor
of the taxi driver came to me.
1376
01:28:16,552 --> 01:28:18,152
De Niro.
1377
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:22,658
In Bang The Drum Slowly, the critics
called him a brilliant new talent.
1378
01:28:22,758 --> 01:28:26,137
After Mean Streets,
they said he was a genius.
1379
01:28:26,237 --> 01:28:29,138
For his performance
in The Godfather Part II,
1380
01:28:29,238 --> 01:28:31,457
they gave him the Academy Award.
1381
01:28:31,557 --> 01:28:33,298
Just get me out of here, all right?
1382
01:28:33,398 --> 01:28:38,938
Now Robert De Niro creates
a terrifying portrait of life
1383
01:28:39,038 --> 01:28:41,220
on the edge of madness.
1384
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:44,058
Driver, just forget about this, it's nothin'.
1385
01:28:44,158 --> 01:28:47,101
A film by Martin Scorsese.
1386
01:28:47,201 --> 01:28:50,497
People will do anything
in front of a taxi driver.
1387
01:28:50,597 --> 01:28:54,541
- People too cheap to rent a hotel room.
- Driver, hurry up.
1388
01:28:54,641 --> 01:28:56,218
People wanna embarrass you.
1389
01:28:56,318 --> 01:28:59,697
It's like you're not even there,
you don't even exist.
1390
01:28:59,797 --> 01:29:03,741
This city here is like an open sewer,
it's full of filth and scum.
1391
01:29:03,841 --> 01:29:06,541
I think I know what you mean, Travis.
1392
01:29:06,641 --> 01:29:10,901
The script banged around Hollywood
and everyone said, "This is really good,
1393
01:29:11,001 --> 01:29:13,419
"somebody should make it but not us."
1394
01:29:13,519 --> 01:29:15,577
And then things started coming together,
1395
01:29:15,677 --> 01:29:19,339
Michael and Julia got a Best Oscar
for The Sting,
1396
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:22,977
Marty had a hit
with Alice Doesn't Live Here,
1397
01:29:23,077 --> 01:29:25,377
Bobby got an Oscar for Godfather II,
1398
01:29:25,477 --> 01:29:28,298
and all of a sudden at $2 million...
1399
01:29:28,398 --> 01:29:31,218
Uh... Begelman and Julia Phillips
were friends
1400
01:29:31,318 --> 01:29:35,219
and Julia said, "Somebody should
make this, why don't you?"
1401
01:29:35,319 --> 01:29:37,899
And he finally said, "Why not? OK."
1402
01:29:37,999 --> 01:29:42,138
1403
01:29:42,238 --> 01:29:44,862
he had every kind of asthma condition,
1404
01:29:44,962 --> 01:29:49,178
he was just afraid of
being chewed up by the system,
1405
01:29:49,278 --> 01:29:54,499
he'd obviously been banged around
in some of his film making experiences
1406
01:29:54,599 --> 01:29:58,978
and just wanted
to get through with his work
1407
01:29:59,078 --> 01:30:02,420
without being too badly mauled.
1408
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,461
In order to get
a green light from the studio
1409
01:30:05,561 --> 01:30:07,500
Phillips and Scorsese went forward
1410
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,541
with what they knew
was an inadequate budget.
1411
01:30:10,641 --> 01:30:14,379
We were the Enron of Columbia Pictures
at that time.
1412
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:19,785
We kept the truth hidden,
we made promises,
1413
01:30:20,872 --> 01:30:24,417
then we'd go out and shoot something
we said we were gonna drop.
1414
01:30:24,517 --> 01:30:28,221
They would freak out.
"You're not authorized to shoot this."
1415
01:30:29,512 --> 01:30:33,701
"Sorry, sorry. It's OK, we thought
we could do it on the same day."
1416
01:30:33,801 --> 01:30:36,017
You know, just playing a role.
1417
01:30:36,117 --> 01:30:38,459
For Taxi Driver,
the boys from Malibu Beach
1418
01:30:38,559 --> 01:30:41,016
closed ranks protectively
around Scorsese.
1419
01:30:41,116 --> 01:30:44,098
Cybill Shepherd
was practically visiting royalty.
1420
01:30:44,198 --> 01:30:49,541
She came because the studio
wanted one more name in the cast.
1421
01:30:49,641 --> 01:30:53,379
At the time I had
two offers at Columbia Pictures.
1422
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:57,661
I had Taxi Driver and I had, um...
1423
01:30:57,761 --> 01:31:01,180
Nickelodeon and David Begelman
said I couldn't do both.
1424
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:05,737
I talked to Peter and we both agreed.
I said, "I need to do Taxi Driver,"
1425
01:31:05,837 --> 01:31:08,978
because we were no longer
reviewed for our work
1426
01:31:09,078 --> 01:31:11,456
after At Long Last Love, Peter and I.
1427
01:31:11,556 --> 01:31:13,979
We were so obnoxious in the press.
1428
01:31:14,079 --> 01:31:17,420
"Look at us, we're in love
and we don't have to be married."
1429
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:19,577
That was a revolutionary premise then.
1430
01:31:19,677 --> 01:31:22,541
We were the first couple
to be on the cover of a magazine
1431
01:31:22,641 --> 01:31:24,580
that were living in sin.
1432
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:28,499
Her partner's film, Nickelodeon
made money for Columbia
1433
01:31:28,599 --> 01:31:30,897
but not enough
to reverse the perception
1434
01:31:30,997 --> 01:31:33,180
that Bogdanovich had lost his touch.
1435
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:35,779
In a business where
perception is everything,
1436
01:31:35,879 --> 01:31:40,061
Steven Spielberg's shark film was about
to change Hollywood's perception
1437
01:31:40,161 --> 01:31:42,100
of what success really meant.
1438
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:46,780
I... Had I seen it?
No, I guess I hadn't seen it yet.
1439
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:51,309
I was in New York
and the studio had told me...
1440
01:31:52,992 --> 01:31:57,420
the film was gonna be shown at the
Rivoli Theater on such and such a night.
1441
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:01,658
So I go down to the Rivoli Theater
and there's 1,500 or 2,000 people.
1442
01:32:01,758 --> 01:32:05,377
So we start watching this movie.
Now, I'm in the movie.
1443
01:32:05,477 --> 01:32:07,420
And I forgot that I was in it.
1444
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:11,499
I was so swept up in the fear
and the storytelling,
1445
01:32:11,599 --> 01:32:15,541
I completely forgot
that that was me. I had no idea...
1446
01:32:15,641 --> 01:32:21,583
I was appropriately terrified and scared,
it was incredible.
1447
01:32:23,392 --> 01:32:29,257
And then... then the audience did
something that I had never heard. Ever.
1448
01:32:29,357 --> 01:32:31,787
Maybe it had been done before but...
1449
01:32:34,152 --> 01:32:38,580
The movie ends
and the entire building erupts
1450
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:41,710
in a sound that was extraordinary.
1451
01:32:42,792 --> 01:32:47,150
Screaming, yelling, applauding,
yelling, screaming. Gevalt!
1452
01:33:00,112 --> 01:33:05,061
- That's a 20-footer.
- 25. Three tons of him.
1453
01:33:10,712 --> 01:33:13,342
You're gonna need a bigger boat, right?
1454
01:33:13,442 --> 01:33:16,221
Gotta get to work.
How do we handle this?
1455
01:33:16,321 --> 01:33:18,872
- How do we handle this?
- I need you.
1456
01:33:21,072 --> 01:33:23,456
He's circling the boat!
1457
01:33:23,556 --> 01:33:25,782
Come on, come on.
1458
01:33:29,112 --> 01:33:32,540
Lew Wasserman,
Sid Scheinberg, Henry H,
1459
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:35,820
Hi Martin and Charlie Powell -
1460
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:40,537
Martin was head of distribution, Powell
was head of marketing and publicity -
1461
01:33:40,637 --> 01:33:45,699
met in the men's room of the theatre
cos it was the only place they could talk.
1462
01:33:45,799 --> 01:33:52,259
And Wasserman said, "Put it out
to as many screens as we can get."
1463
01:33:52,359 --> 01:33:57,542
And they went for 1,200 screens which,
at that time, was unheard of.
1464
01:33:57,642 --> 01:34:01,581
This was a big decision
to try to take Jaws
1465
01:34:01,681 --> 01:34:06,297
and put it out there like they used
to do with exploitation pictures.
1466
01:34:06,397 --> 01:34:09,181
Exploitation pictures
were meant to come in,
1467
01:34:09,281 --> 01:34:13,621
make a lot of money before anybody
noticed how bad they were and get out.
1468
01:34:13,721 --> 01:34:18,220
When I saw Jaws, I thought,
"Uh-oh. These guys understand
1469
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:21,341
"what I and my contemporaries are doing
1470
01:34:21,441 --> 01:34:25,057
"and they have the money
and the talent and skill
1471
01:34:25,157 --> 01:34:27,297
"to do them bigger and better."
1472
01:34:27,397 --> 01:34:30,421
By the winter of '75/'76,
1473
01:34:30,521 --> 01:34:35,297
Universal's Jaws had rolled up
$100 million at the box office.
1474
01:34:35,397 --> 01:34:38,660
It was the first motion picture
in history to do so.
1475
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:42,632
Everyone knew everything had changed.
1476
01:34:43,832 --> 01:34:48,340
Taxi Driver opened later that year
to ecstatic reviews and decent business.
1477
01:34:48,440 --> 01:34:51,062
But decent business
wasn't enough any more.
1478
01:34:51,162 --> 01:34:53,702
The age of the blockbuster had arrived
1479
01:34:53,802 --> 01:34:56,821
and as the grosses climbed,
the pressures mounted.
1480
01:34:56,921 --> 01:34:58,860
So did the casualties.
1481
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:03,700
I started using cocaine and
amphetamines way before the success
1482
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:08,902
and in fact had had quite a bit of success
working behind it
1483
01:35:09,002 --> 01:35:13,058
and I was thinking yesterday,
things I might say about it
1484
01:35:13,158 --> 01:35:16,979
and there was a definite progression
that went from using it as a tool
1485
01:35:17,079 --> 01:35:19,020
to using it as a crutch
1486
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:23,418
and then it became you weren't using it
for anything, it was life itself.
1487
01:35:23,518 --> 01:35:25,460
In the new Hollywood,
1488
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:29,139
Julia Phillips was just one
of the legion of movie professionals
1489
01:35:29,239 --> 01:35:31,985
for whom cocaine was a perk and a tool.
1490
01:35:33,072 --> 01:35:36,899
When I was directing Blue Collar
and I was in preproduction,
1491
01:35:36,999 --> 01:35:41,138
the producer at that time,
Hal Schneider, came into my office,
1492
01:35:41,238 --> 01:35:45,298
put a vial on my desk and said,
"Here, this'll help you work longer."
1493
01:35:45,398 --> 01:35:48,703
You know, and it was almost medicinal.
1494
01:35:49,832 --> 01:35:52,621
There was a time in Hollywood
1495
01:35:52,721 --> 01:35:56,177
where you could see people
snorting coke in public.
1496
01:35:56,277 --> 01:36:01,020
And you could see people snorting coke
in public who you knew, who were...
1497
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:04,497
You know, they had authority,
they had responsibility.
1498
01:36:04,597 --> 01:36:10,377
Now, I'm... You know, at that time
I was completely over my head.
1499
01:36:10,477 --> 01:36:16,991
We went to an AFI tribute for Alfred
Hitchcock, one year during his period.
1500
01:36:18,192 --> 01:36:21,098
I went to the men's room
and I swear to God,
1501
01:36:21,198 --> 01:36:25,381
under every single stall
there was at least six or eight legs.
1502
01:36:25,481 --> 01:36:29,299
The sound of snorting was so loud,
it was like a joke
1503
01:36:29,399 --> 01:36:34,379
and there was this one
kind of old washroom attendant
1504
01:36:34,479 --> 01:36:37,181
sitting there trying to hand out towels
1505
01:36:37,281 --> 01:36:39,380
and it was comical.
1506
01:36:39,480 --> 01:36:44,097
Here's old Alfred Hitchcock up there
getting his life achievement award
1507
01:36:44,197 --> 01:36:48,099
and all the Hollywood hoi polloi
are in there snorting cocaine.
1508
01:36:48,199 --> 01:36:50,140
It was crazy.
1509
01:36:50,240 --> 01:36:53,580
As drugs overran
the Hollywood social scene,
1510
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:56,339
the movies themselves
began to be affected.
1511
01:36:56,439 --> 01:37:01,818
This was the beginning
of, also, the craziness for everyone.
1512
01:37:01,918 --> 01:37:04,818
Fresh off the critical success
of Taxi Driver,
1513
01:37:04,918 --> 01:37:06,897
Scorsese could do anything he wanted.
1514
01:37:06,997 --> 01:37:09,297
His choice -
an almost impossible blending
1515
01:37:09,397 --> 01:37:11,340
of golden-age Hollywood musical
1516
01:37:11,440 --> 01:37:14,737
and Cassavetes-like
emotional catharsis.
1517
01:37:14,837 --> 01:37:16,817
Well, New York, New York...
1518
01:37:16,917 --> 01:37:22,777
reflects the unique state of mind
that Marty was in at that time.
1519
01:37:22,877 --> 01:37:28,345
He was having terrible trouble
with his marriage with Julia,
1520
01:37:29,232 --> 01:37:33,378
um, he was having an affair
with Liza Minnelli,
1521
01:37:33,478 --> 01:37:37,017
he was staying up all night,
1522
01:37:37,117 --> 01:37:40,337
he had pushed it
to the edge of the envelope.
1523
01:37:40,437 --> 01:37:43,301
The private life is kinda screwed up,
1524
01:37:43,401 --> 01:37:45,856
so you begin to live in the fast lane
1525
01:37:45,956 --> 01:37:51,301
because you want to kind of get
some benefit out of where you are
1526
01:37:51,401 --> 01:37:55,538
but you can't
because your work is always...
1527
01:37:55,638 --> 01:38:00,380
They're always in the back of your head
with a gun, you know?
1528
01:38:00,480 --> 01:38:03,059
They want, they pay you - deliver.
1529
01:38:03,159 --> 01:38:07,458
All this emotional chaos
and everybody doing too much cocaine
1530
01:38:07,558 --> 01:38:10,016
didn't help solve the artistic problems.
1531
01:38:10,116 --> 01:38:14,982
Marty was very clever, that we started
with the musical numbers.
1532
01:38:16,072 --> 01:38:18,419
So two weeks, that's all we shot.
1533
01:38:18,519 --> 01:38:23,507
When we finished, he invited for
screening Vincente Minnelli, everybody.
1534
01:38:24,592 --> 01:38:28,861
Just a big gala, like it was a wrap party,
you know.
1535
01:38:28,961 --> 01:38:35,099
And they showed this - I don't know -
about 15-, 20-minute musical number.
1536
01:38:35,199 --> 01:38:38,620
And it was... I was even surprised,
it was fabulous.
1537
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:41,741
You know, moving and all great songs.
1538
01:38:41,841 --> 01:38:46,190
And from that point on,
the studio gave Marty anything.
1539
01:38:47,272 --> 01:38:51,152
I didn't know that this was
kind of Drugs R Us...
1540
01:38:52,912 --> 01:38:55,028
going on on this movie.
1541
01:38:56,712 --> 01:38:58,980
You know, I wasn't...
1542
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:04,139
At the time I'd never tried drugs so I
didn't know what it smelt like, looked like
1543
01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:07,218
or what people were like
when they were on it.
1544
01:39:07,318 --> 01:39:12,060
Ultimately, Scorsese kicked
the drugs and recovered. Some didn't.
1545
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:14,100
In the deserts of Nevada,
1546
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:17,737
Sam Peckinpah
was driving Convoy off the road.
1547
01:39:17,837 --> 01:39:21,861
Cocaine and booze was a big problem
1548
01:39:21,961 --> 01:39:26,344
and that would certainly explain
a lot of the delays.
1549
01:39:27,432 --> 01:39:30,940
I was on the wagon then and Sam wasn't
1550
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:36,338
and I would stay pretty much in
my trailer, I didn't wanna get in trouble.
1551
01:39:36,438 --> 01:39:38,779
They actually fired him at one point
1552
01:39:38,879 --> 01:39:43,577
and I told them that I would walk
if he weren't kept on the film.
1553
01:39:43,677 --> 01:39:48,978
We were standing outside the saloon,
the truck stop where the fight was
1554
01:39:49,078 --> 01:39:53,820
and he came up behind me and said,
"You son of a bitch! I was outta here!"
1555
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:58,371
And I said, "You son of a bitch,
you got me into here!" You know?
1556
01:39:58,507 --> 01:40:00,780
He was in rough shape.
1557
01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:03,821
Time after time,
he would ruin himself financially,
1558
01:40:03,921 --> 01:40:06,898
ruin his personal life, ruin his reputation,
1559
01:40:06,998 --> 01:40:09,622
so he could do this whole phoenix act.
1560
01:40:09,722 --> 01:40:12,858
Er... It didn't work with cocaine.
1561
01:40:12,958 --> 01:40:18,019
He did fall flat down, face down
on the floor with cocaine,
1562
01:40:18,119 --> 01:40:20,060
only this time he couldn't get up.
1563
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:22,109
A different drug.
1564
01:40:22,992 --> 01:40:26,899
William Blake said, "The road of excess
leads to the palace of wisdom".
1565
01:40:26,999 --> 01:40:29,818
It also leads to the grave.
1566
01:40:29,918 --> 01:40:32,020
Sam Peckinpah made one more picture,
1567
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:34,060
the compromised Osterman Weekend
1568
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:38,139
before dying of heart failure
at the age of 59 in Mexico.
1569
01:40:38,239 --> 01:40:41,500
Most said he was the victim
of his own excesses.
1570
01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:45,062
People can always say
you're your own victim but...
1571
01:40:46,712 --> 01:40:51,656
Sometimes people have great talent
which has to be nourished in some way
1572
01:40:51,756 --> 01:40:55,137
and if this industry can't nourish it
they become victims
1573
01:40:55,237 --> 01:40:58,420
and then their self-indulgence
sometimes takes over
1574
01:40:58,520 --> 01:41:01,550
and nobody pulls 'em up
and pulls 'em out.
1575
01:41:02,552 --> 01:41:07,060
I mean, if you write screenplay
after screenplay, deal after deal,
1576
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:10,218
that you see fall apart
and go away and so on,
1577
01:41:10,318 --> 01:41:13,777
and you never lose your enthusiasm
for wanting to make film,
1578
01:41:13,877 --> 01:41:16,256
you're a victim, that's all.
1579
01:41:16,356 --> 01:41:20,099
Malibu resident-
producer-provocateur Julia Phillips
1580
01:41:20,199 --> 01:41:22,539
would drive the drug scene
underground
1581
01:41:22,639 --> 01:41:27,460
when she publicly flamed out on
Steven Spielberg's follow-up to Jaws,
1582
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:29,697
Close Encounters Of The Third Kind.
1583
01:41:29,797 --> 01:41:32,060
Julia and I were pretty terrible
1584
01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:37,778
but as far as I was concerned, in
the midst of Julia's chazerai craziness,
1585
01:41:37,878 --> 01:41:40,459
she also was a hard worker.
1586
01:41:40,559 --> 01:41:44,539
Julia fought the battles on this.
We were divorced at this time
1587
01:41:44,639 --> 01:41:47,778
and she ran into problems,
as everybody knows,
1588
01:41:47,878 --> 01:41:51,183
late in the postproduction and, er...
1589
01:41:52,592 --> 01:41:56,339
Drug problems - and had to be removed
1590
01:41:56,439 --> 01:42:02,101
and I got back on and worked
with Steven to finish the film.
1591
01:42:02,201 --> 01:42:06,780
Some years later, she wrote
a book. So, I go to the book store.
1592
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:10,177
I'm reading what Julia
is writing about me
1593
01:42:10,277 --> 01:42:13,258
and I am getting seriously angry.
1594
01:42:13,358 --> 01:42:15,939
Seriously furious.
1595
01:42:16,039 --> 01:42:20,098
And I'm gonna kill her! And I'm gonna
do this and I'm gonna do that.
1596
01:42:20,198 --> 01:42:24,099
And all of a sudden, I hear this little voice
1597
01:42:24,199 --> 01:42:26,699
and the voice inside my head is saying,
1598
01:42:26,799 --> 01:42:28,599
"Richard,
1599
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:33,457
"what really happened
was so much worse.
1600
01:42:33,557 --> 01:42:35,500
"Leave it alone."
1601
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:38,897
And I left it alone.
1602
01:42:38,997 --> 01:42:43,777
I didn't know Julia in the last few years
of her life. I don't know.
1603
01:42:43,877 --> 01:42:47,539
She wasn't happy.
She wasn't in good circumstances.
1604
01:42:47,639 --> 01:42:52,018
But I never hated her for that.
You know, I was... I was there.
1605
01:42:52,118 --> 01:42:54,060
I did that stuff.
1606
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:58,501
Drugs and excess may have derailed
some of the new generation
1607
01:42:58,601 --> 01:43:01,461
but it was nothing
compared to the success
1608
01:43:01,561 --> 01:43:05,901
of the easily promotable B-movies
that audiences were embracing.
1609
01:43:06,001 --> 01:43:08,456
But this was a new kind of B-movie.
1610
01:43:08,556 --> 01:43:12,938
Instead of a low-budget programmer
to fit the bottom of a double bill,
1611
01:43:13,038 --> 01:43:17,577
these were expensive, effects-driven
pictures like Close Encounters
1612
01:43:17,677 --> 01:43:20,869
that could endanger a studio
if they failed.
1613
01:43:22,472 --> 01:43:25,581
In England and in computer labs
in California,
1614
01:43:25,681 --> 01:43:30,030
George Lucas was quietly laboring
on the ultimate B-movie.
1615
01:43:31,512 --> 01:43:36,057
So from American Graffiti,
George got to make a $13 million movie,
1616
01:43:36,157 --> 01:43:40,059
which was a huge budget in those days,
it was giant.
1617
01:43:40,159 --> 01:43:44,857
He called and he said, "You know,
I don't think it's gonna work at Fox."
1618
01:43:44,957 --> 01:43:46,900
And I said, "What do you mean?"
1619
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:51,378
He said, "They're not going to give me
the rights to any sequels."
1620
01:43:51,478 --> 01:43:56,901
I said, "George, sequels? You're lucky
to get $13 million for this movie!"
1621
01:43:57,001 --> 01:44:00,659
He said, "No, I wanna control it,
I want the sequels."
1622
01:44:00,759 --> 01:44:06,660
And he held firm and he ended up
owning the rights to Star Wars.
1623
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:12,580
He said, "I'm gonna make more money
by making science fiction toys,
1624
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:15,056
"I'm gonna make more money
than The Godfather
1625
01:44:15,156 --> 01:44:17,217
"by making science fiction toys."
1626
01:44:17,317 --> 01:44:21,900
He hated directing, George did,
because he got sick all the time,
1627
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:25,297
he had diabetes
and he just wasn't very sturdy
1628
01:44:25,397 --> 01:44:27,340
and he got sick.
1629
01:44:27,440 --> 01:44:32,180
And he always would talk and he'd say,
"Porno. That's the answer.
1630
01:44:32,280 --> 01:44:34,337
"It's a warm room.
1631
01:44:34,437 --> 01:44:38,216
"If you don't get the right location
you go get another,
1632
01:44:38,316 --> 01:44:42,538
"people don't care what room,
as long as it's a pretty nice room."
1633
01:44:42,638 --> 01:44:46,060
So if he hadn't done Star Wars
or American Graffiti,
1634
01:44:46,160 --> 01:44:50,820
he would probably own
this huge porno network today.
1635
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:53,217
He'd probably be even richer than he is.
1636
01:44:53,317 --> 01:44:55,776
At the first rough cut screening
of Star Wars,
1637
01:44:55,876 --> 01:45:00,460
the directorial division of opinion
would foretell the future of movies.
1638
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:07,461
George asked his friends
to see a rough cut of Star Wars.
1639
01:45:07,561 --> 01:45:11,299
It was hard to watch because it was...
1640
01:45:11,399 --> 01:45:14,580
The special effects,
nothing was there yet.
1641
01:45:14,680 --> 01:45:20,261
What we saw was very crude World War II
footage where the effects would be.
1642
01:45:20,361 --> 01:45:24,658
And even for experienced people,
it takes a lot to look at a rough cut.
1643
01:45:24,758 --> 01:45:28,579
Brian De Palma
was particularly sarcastic.
1644
01:45:28,679 --> 01:45:33,978
"What's this crap about the Force?
When did the Force...?" You know.
1645
01:45:34,078 --> 01:45:37,181
But George listened
and he took it good-naturedly
1646
01:45:37,281 --> 01:45:40,258
and the only one
who was optimistic was Spielberg.
1647
01:45:40,358 --> 01:45:44,019
He said, "I think it's great,
it's gonna make $100 million."
1648
01:45:44,119 --> 01:45:47,946
We thought, "Steve's just Steve,"
you know. Energetic kid.
1649
01:45:49,352 --> 01:45:53,099
Once he started screening it,
it was like American Graffiti,
1650
01:45:53,199 --> 01:45:55,497
the audiences just went nuts.
1651
01:45:55,597 --> 01:45:59,781
Hollywood, California.
August 1977.
1652
01:45:59,881 --> 01:46:02,944
A triumphant moment in screen history.
1653
01:46:04,032 --> 01:46:06,539
To the world-famous Chinese Theatre
1654
01:46:06,639 --> 01:46:11,945
come the stars of the biggest box-office
success in motion picture history.
1655
01:46:13,032 --> 01:46:16,098
The financial success
of Star Wars
1656
01:46:16,198 --> 01:46:19,620
would, with The Exorcist,Jaws and Close Encounters
1657
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:23,177
essentially end the epoch
of the director-driven film
1658
01:46:23,277 --> 01:46:25,699
and begin the era
of the big-budget B-movie
1659
01:46:25,799 --> 01:46:28,139
where studios
could open a film everywhere
1660
01:46:28,239 --> 01:46:31,660
with nationwide ad campaigns
and fast payoffs.
1661
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:35,057
It almost didn't matter
if the film was good or not,
1662
01:46:35,157 --> 01:46:37,100
as long as it made a great trail.
1663
01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:40,657
Thousands gather
to see the metallic megastars
1664
01:46:40,757 --> 01:46:43,738
place their footprints in cement
in the courtyard.
1665
01:46:43,838 --> 01:46:45,780
As the two heroes of Star Wars
1666
01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:50,258
make their impressions on the ground
reserved for legends,
1667
01:46:50,358 --> 01:46:53,577
the world resounds
the fact that Star Wars
1668
01:46:53,677 --> 01:46:57,100
has become a full-fledged
social phenomenon.
1669
01:46:57,200 --> 01:47:00,344
It has become more than just a movie.
1670
01:47:02,952 --> 01:47:06,656
Star Wars was
the ultimate triumph of the B-movie.
1671
01:47:06,756 --> 01:47:10,297
It had taken a decade for the studios
to regain their dominance
1672
01:47:10,397 --> 01:47:15,177
and find their new audience
with effects-driven sci-fi horror films,
1673
01:47:15,277 --> 01:47:18,141
ironic superheroes and sequels.
1674
01:47:18,241 --> 01:47:20,189
Endless sequels.
1675
01:47:21,872 --> 01:47:25,576
The era of the director -
brief era of the director -
1676
01:47:25,676 --> 01:47:31,617
came to a conclusion, really,
by the end of the '70s, if not sooner.
1677
01:47:31,717 --> 01:47:33,777
It was sort of petering out.
1678
01:47:33,877 --> 01:47:37,821
They started feeding off the mechanism
of what was making money,
1679
01:47:37,921 --> 01:47:41,696
so that they wouldn't be in the position
of having film makers walking in
1680
01:47:41,796 --> 01:47:45,901
and saying, "You don't know what
makes money, I do, I'll make the movie."
1681
01:47:46,001 --> 01:47:50,058
So finally, they were able to say,
"Yes, we do know what makes money
1682
01:47:50,158 --> 01:47:51,904
"and you will make it for us."
1683
01:47:52,752 --> 01:47:57,862
I mean, the system allowed
these artists to create
1684
01:47:57,962 --> 01:48:03,258
and then, when it became... essentially,
conglomerates took over the studios,
1685
01:48:03,358 --> 01:48:05,300
everything changed.
1686
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:09,704
I think the thing that killed, for me,
movies, more than anything,
1687
01:48:10,832 --> 01:48:14,951
was the event of Entertainment Tonight,
1688
01:48:16,752 --> 01:48:20,781
when they started doing
box-office scores
1689
01:48:20,881 --> 01:48:22,829
like football scores.
1690
01:48:23,832 --> 01:48:27,978
And I remember the first weekend
they did it, or the first Monday -
1691
01:48:28,078 --> 01:48:30,622
this film was first
and this film was second -
1692
01:48:30,722 --> 01:48:34,068
and I looked at that screen
and I said, "We're over."
1693
01:48:35,152 --> 01:48:37,702
In 1979, director Marty Scorsese,
1694
01:48:37,802 --> 01:48:40,821
exhausted and convinced
his career was over,
1695
01:48:40,921 --> 01:48:42,860
decided to leave Hollywood.
1696
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:45,257
But, urged on by Robert De Niro,
1697
01:48:45,357 --> 01:48:49,585
Scorsese summoned up one last
primal scream of defiance.
1698
01:48:52,112 --> 01:48:56,678
..clean shots.
How he can survive 'em, nobody knows.
1699
01:48:56,778 --> 01:48:59,502
No man can endure this pummeling.
1700
01:48:59,602 --> 01:49:01,577
The fight is stopped.
1701
01:49:01,677 --> 01:49:04,277
He signals...
1702
01:49:04,439 --> 01:49:07,258
Row after row after row from the ring
1703
01:49:07,358 --> 01:49:11,056
the crowd is standing
and cheering as he just made it.
1704
01:49:11,156 --> 01:49:14,777
Takes La Motta
into a desperate defeat...
1705
01:49:14,877 --> 01:49:17,182
Hey, Ray. Hey, Ray.
1706
01:49:18,232 --> 01:49:20,030
Hey, Ray.
1707
01:49:21,712 --> 01:49:24,059
Never went down, Ray.
1708
01:49:24,159 --> 01:49:26,268
You never got me down, Ray.
1709
01:49:26,872 --> 01:49:30,497
You hear me? Never got me down.
1710
01:49:30,597 --> 01:49:32,549
Yeah. See?
1711
01:49:37,032 --> 01:49:41,817
~ I have a mansion, forget the price ~
1712
01:49:41,917 --> 01:49:45,507
~ Ain't never been there,they tell me it's nice ~
1713
01:49:46,792 --> 01:49:50,626
~ I live in hotels, tear out the walls ~
1714
01:49:51,592 --> 01:49:53,657
~ I have accountants ~
1715
01:49:53,757 --> 01:49:55,709
~ Pay for it all ~
1716
01:49:56,432 --> 01:50:00,187
~ They say I'm crazybut I have a good time ~
1717
01:50:05,232 --> 01:50:09,581
~I'm lookin' for cluesat he scene of the crime ~
1718
01:50:09,681 --> 01:50:14,701
~ Life's been good to me so far ~
1719
01:50:18,032 --> 01:50:21,866
~ My Maserati does 185 ~
1720
01:50:22,872 --> 01:50:26,661
~ I lost my license, now I don't drive ~
1721
01:50:27,712 --> 01:50:31,421
~ I have a limo, ride in the back ~
1722
01:50:32,472 --> 01:50:34,058
~ I lock the doors ~
1723
01:50:34,158 --> 01:50:36,189
~ In case of attack ~
1724
01:50:37,232 --> 01:50:40,941
~ I'm makin' records,my fans, they can't wait ~
1725
01:50:41,992 --> 01:50:45,428
~ They write me letters, tell me I'm great ~
1726
01:50:45,992 --> 01:50:50,748
~ So I got me an office,gold records on the wall ~
1727
01:50:51,632 --> 01:50:55,341
~ Just leave a message, maybe I'll call ~
1728
01:50:56,192 --> 01:51:00,026
~ Lucky I'm saneafter all I've been through ~
1729
01:51:03,272 --> 01:51:05,502
~ He's cool ~
1730
01:51:06,032 --> 01:51:09,417
~ I can't complain,but sometimes I still do ~
1731
01:51:09,517 --> 01:51:15,064
~ Life's been good to me so far ~
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