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Hollywood, California. 2 00:00:16,237 --> 00:00:18,862 The once great Hollywood dream factories 3 00:00:18,962 --> 00:00:22,981 that were teeming cities of technicians and artists, stood empty. 4 00:00:23,081 --> 00:00:27,298 The audiences for the movies these studios had made had drifted away, 5 00:00:27,398 --> 00:00:30,464 busy building families or lured away by TV. 6 00:00:31,512 --> 00:00:34,977 The old studio moguls who roamed these vast empty domains 7 00:00:35,077 --> 00:00:37,020 were confused and uncertain 8 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:41,577 and, like the movies they were producing, largely irrelevant. 9 00:00:41,677 --> 00:00:44,977 This is the story of the young artists and film makers 10 00:00:45,077 --> 00:00:48,819 who stormed the gates and briefly took control of the studios, 11 00:00:48,919 --> 00:00:52,223 and in the process, inadvertently created the new Hollywood. 12 00:01:25,352 --> 00:01:27,141 I didn't really like American films 13 00:01:27,241 --> 00:01:30,702 and what was being done in most American films then. 14 00:01:32,672 --> 00:01:34,258 The studio system 15 00:01:34,358 --> 00:01:36,620 essentially collapsed in the early '60s. 16 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,828 By '63, it was over. 17 00:01:39,872 --> 00:01:42,466 And nobody knew what the hell to do. 18 00:01:43,632 --> 00:01:48,300 The Fox lot - the first Hollywood lot I ever saw - had been shut down 19 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,181 by the disaster of Cleopatra. 20 00:01:51,281 --> 00:01:55,338 And so, walking on the Fox lot, it really was a ghost town. 21 00:01:55,438 --> 00:01:57,896 The back lot, which is now Century City, 22 00:01:57,996 --> 00:02:02,341 had the Western streets, the stages all set up, but it was all deserted. 23 00:02:02,441 --> 00:02:06,621 Television had annihilated the habit audience for movies 24 00:02:06,721 --> 00:02:09,342 and studios were impoverished. 25 00:02:09,442 --> 00:02:13,019 The big old films werenโ€™t making money, The Molly Maguires 26 00:02:13,119 --> 00:02:15,938 and Hello Dolly - just these huge flops. 27 00:02:16,038 --> 00:02:17,980 The old people are dying slowly 28 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:22,059 otherwise the representatives of the puritanism 29 00:02:22,159 --> 00:02:28,741 and religion and other organisms which were restricting. 30 00:02:28,841 --> 00:02:32,419 The young people are different and demand different things. 31 00:02:32,519 --> 00:02:35,461 "Make it new and different", they say. 32 00:02:35,561 --> 00:02:38,857 It really was a strong sense of a revolution happening. 33 00:02:38,957 --> 00:02:41,379 If you were 18 years old, as I was, 34 00:02:41,479 --> 00:02:46,821 God forbid you should ally yourself with the old fogeyes. 35 00:02:46,921 --> 00:02:50,137 Even as American films became more meaningless, 36 00:02:50,237 --> 00:02:53,623 foreign films were beginning to find an emerging audience 37 00:02:53,752 --> 00:02:55,700 hungry for something different. 38 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,018 There were a lot of art theatres that showed foreign films. 39 00:03:00,118 --> 00:03:03,779 That's where Natalie and James Dean and all of us went. 40 00:03:03,879 --> 00:03:08,620 And I was working in American films but I was looking at foreign films. 41 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,421 Most of the film makers of that period 42 00:03:11,521 --> 00:03:15,738 were brought up on Godard and Truffaut and Fellini, 43 00:03:15,838 --> 00:03:19,180 and they were tremendously influenced by the Europeans. 44 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,418 This was the period of the Nouvelle Vague in France 45 00:03:22,518 --> 00:03:28,218 and everybody was bowled over by what Jean-Luc had done with Breathless, 46 00:03:28,318 --> 00:03:31,660 and what Truffaut had done with 400 Blows. 47 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:36,979 And when I was in Paris, we became... friends 48 00:03:37,079 --> 00:03:39,020 or conversants, anyway. 49 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,981 In New York, two young magazine writers, 50 00:03:42,081 --> 00:03:44,057 Robert Benton and David Newman, 51 00:03:44,157 --> 00:03:47,218 who had fallen under the spell of the French New Wave, 52 00:03:47,318 --> 00:03:49,297 decided to try screenwriting. 53 00:03:49,397 --> 00:03:51,340 We knew nothing about writing movies 54 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,461 cos there weren't any - maybe there were somewhere, but we didn't know where - 55 00:03:55,561 --> 00:03:59,501 screenwriting courses, there were no books by McKee, or any of those gurus, 56 00:03:59,601 --> 00:04:02,099 and we just wrote the movie we wanted to see. 57 00:04:02,199 --> 00:04:06,019 Newman and Benton used their connections at Esquire magazine, 58 00:04:06,119 --> 00:04:08,901 where they created the Dubious Achievement Awards, 59 00:04:09,001 --> 00:04:12,180 to get their Bonnie and Clyde script to Francois Truffaut. 60 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,822 He took it and broke it down into sections, 61 00:04:14,922 --> 00:04:18,819 and he explained to us the difference between film time and real time. 62 00:04:18,919 --> 00:04:21,738 And we just filled notebooks up with notes 63 00:04:21,838 --> 00:04:23,897 and by the end of it, we were just... 64 00:04:23,997 --> 00:04:26,542 The gate had opened and we were running. 65 00:04:26,642 --> 00:04:31,140 As the new screenwriters had lessons from the New Wave master, 66 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,579 Arthur Penn had returned from France, 67 00:04:33,679 --> 00:04:38,782 inspired and eager to make a film that could draw on this new storytelling style. 68 00:04:38,882 --> 00:04:42,060 It would be called Mickey One. 69 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:47,299 At that point, Beatty called me up out of the blue and said, "I'm Warren Beatty." 70 00:04:47,399 --> 00:04:49,340 I said, "Why are you calling me?" 71 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,578 And he said, "Well, I learned early on that the people I want to work with 72 00:04:53,678 --> 00:04:55,940 "are the good directors, that's it." 73 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,140 He said, "So, I'm with you." 74 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,181 I said, "I can't even hardly pay you, you know?" 75 00:05:01,281 --> 00:05:03,220 "Doesn't matter. I'm in the movie." 76 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,059 I used to be quite a fighter. I'll never forget my first opponent. 77 00:05:07,159 --> 00:05:09,457 It was also my last opponent. 78 00:05:09,557 --> 00:05:12,059 He was a little guy - only came up to my chin. 79 00:05:12,159 --> 00:05:14,297 The trouble was, he came up too often. 80 00:05:14,397 --> 00:05:17,059 Watch it, you've heard of ground beef. 81 00:05:17,159 --> 00:05:19,702 I had this opponent covered with blood... 82 00:05:19,802 --> 00:05:22,342 - Yours? - Kid, when you're working... 83 00:05:22,442 --> 00:05:24,577 Do you come and monkey around with my mop? 84 00:05:24,677 --> 00:05:28,579 - I can see this kid believes in justice. - Getting just as drunk as he can. 85 00:05:28,679 --> 00:05:30,620 Waiter, let me mix his next drink. 86 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,337 Blessed are the pure in spirits, nothing's wickeder than a mixed drink. 87 00:05:34,437 --> 00:05:37,897 He doesn't get drunk but last night he put pennies in a parking meter 88 00:05:37,997 --> 00:05:41,340 and looked at the Wrigley Building clock to see how much he weighed. 89 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,816 What a rat! Get him up here. 90 00:05:43,916 --> 00:05:49,139 When I shot Mickey One, both Jean-Luc and Francois Truffaut showed up 91 00:05:49,239 --> 00:05:51,696 in Chicago while I was shooting. 92 00:05:51,796 --> 00:05:55,177 Truffaut had passed the Bonnie and Clyde script 93 00:05:55,277 --> 00:05:59,621 onto Jean-Luc Godard after deciding to film Fahrenheit 451. 94 00:05:59,721 --> 00:06:05,098 Godard flirted with the project briefly, before deciding to do Alphaville instead. 95 00:06:05,198 --> 00:06:07,938 Meanwhile, Arthur Peon's star, Warren Beatty, 96 00:06:08,038 --> 00:06:12,577 was frustrated by the limitations of being just another handsome movie star 97 00:06:12,677 --> 00:06:16,339 bound in by the creative restrictions of studio-produced films. 98 00:06:16,439 --> 00:06:20,057 Warren Beatty was in Paris, making a movie 99 00:06:20,157 --> 00:06:23,181 and having, I think, a romance with Leslie Caron. 100 00:06:23,281 --> 00:06:27,498 One night they went to dinner at somebody's apartment 101 00:06:27,598 --> 00:06:30,222 and he found himself sitting next to Truffaut. 102 00:06:30,322 --> 00:06:33,218 Truffaut said, "There's a movie you should read 103 00:06:33,318 --> 00:06:35,420 "because it's a great part for you. 104 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,179 "It's written by these two guys in New York." 105 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:42,418 Warren came back to New York a week later and called and said, 106 00:06:42,518 --> 00:06:46,578 "I've read half of it, and I want to option it as soon as it's ready. 107 00:06:46,678 --> 00:06:50,542 "And not only do I want to play the part, I want to produce the film." 108 00:06:50,642 --> 00:06:55,901 That was after I had decided not to direct it myself. Arthur was available. 109 00:06:56,001 --> 00:06:59,101 It afforded an opportunity to work with someone 110 00:06:59,201 --> 00:07:02,417 with whom I had already established a certain dialogue. 111 00:07:02,517 --> 00:07:05,897 Someone who was aware of my bad habits, excesses, 112 00:07:05,997 --> 00:07:09,180 and someone whose excesses and bad habits I was aware of. 113 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:11,699 - What are your bad habits? - I won't go into it. 114 00:07:11,799 --> 00:07:14,139 - What are his? - I won't go into those either. 115 00:07:14,239 --> 00:07:17,218 Beatty worked for little money up front, 116 00:07:17,318 --> 00:07:21,219 to convince a reluctant Jack Warner to give the script a green light. 117 00:07:21,319 --> 00:07:24,021 Warren called me and said he had this script. 118 00:07:24,121 --> 00:07:26,981 I read it and it was very good - very well-written - 119 00:07:27,081 --> 00:07:31,500 but, at the end of it, they just simply got shot and that was the end of it. 120 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:37,508 And I thought, "I just... I don't want to do a film about two gangsters." 121 00:07:39,832 --> 00:07:45,669 Then I woke up one day and saw the ending, exactly as it is in the film. 122 00:07:48,363 --> 00:07:49,363 Hey. 123 00:08:25,192 --> 00:08:29,338 Jack Warner thought it was terrible... He didn't like the picture at all. 124 00:08:29,438 --> 00:08:32,461 We went out to, uh... Jack's house. 125 00:08:32,561 --> 00:08:34,697 We were about to look at the film. 126 00:08:34,797 --> 00:08:37,661 He said, "if I have to go pee, you know it stinks." 127 00:08:37,761 --> 00:08:41,180 We weren't ten minutes into the film when he got up and peed. 128 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,338 Came back. Another ten minutes, he got up and peed. 129 00:08:44,438 --> 00:08:46,497 And it went like that throughout. 130 00:08:46,597 --> 00:08:51,536 And then, finally, the film ended, and he said, "What the hell is this?" 131 00:08:51,636 --> 00:08:54,698 And it was kind of quiet in the room. 132 00:08:54,798 --> 00:08:56,777 And then Warren said, 133 00:08:56,877 --> 00:09:00,859 "Well, you know, Jack, what it is, really, is an homage 134 00:09:00,959 --> 00:09:07,107 "to the great gangster films of the wonderful Warner Bros era." 135 00:09:08,232 --> 00:09:11,623 And Jack... you know, bit that. 136 00:09:12,632 --> 00:09:16,379 And then he looked at Warren and said, "What the fuck's an homage?" 137 00:09:16,479 --> 00:09:19,102 As Beatty tried to win over the old studio mogul, 138 00:09:19,202 --> 00:09:22,859 there was a young mogul working outside the dying studio system, 139 00:09:22,959 --> 00:09:27,469 who was training young film makers in the art of the low budget B-movie. 140 00:09:50,592 --> 00:09:53,658 By the mid '60s, producer-director Roger Corman 141 00:09:53,758 --> 00:09:57,100 and American International Pictures had a thriving business 142 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,258 of making ultra-low-budget B-movies the studio felt were beneath them. 143 00:10:01,358 --> 00:10:03,300 He had become so successful, 144 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,979 he started hiring up-and-comers who couldn't get in the studios. 145 00:10:07,079 --> 00:10:11,660 He'd get young talent in, because they'll work for the amount of... 146 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,498 for the salary, for no salary, practically. 147 00:10:14,598 --> 00:10:18,579 Which is the way it should be. You come in and do anything to do the film. 148 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,860 He wasn't a brilliant director. 149 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,577 But he was brilliant in recognising talent in other people. 150 00:10:25,677 --> 00:10:29,818 So he gave people like me, Hopper, Marty Scorsese - a whole bunch... 151 00:10:29,918 --> 00:10:34,218 Peter Bogdanovich was working on Wild Angels - second-unit camera. 152 00:10:34,318 --> 00:10:35,499 It was great. 153 00:10:35,599 --> 00:10:39,701 One of Roger Corman's first proteges was a grad student just out of UCLA - 154 00:10:39,801 --> 00:10:41,740 Francis Ford Coppola. 155 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:46,181 Francis made his debut editing Russian science fiction films, 156 00:10:46,281 --> 00:10:50,897 then worked as an assistant director on a racing film I was doing in Europe, 157 00:10:50,997 --> 00:10:54,739 on the Grand Prix Formula One circuit, called The Young Racers. 158 00:10:54,839 --> 00:10:58,579 He went on from there to Ireland, to do Dementia 13, 159 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,027 which was his first film as a director. 160 00:11:02,072 --> 00:11:04,541 Don't touch her! 161 00:11:18,632 --> 00:11:22,502 Corman had become a prime supplier to a newly evolving audience 162 00:11:22,602 --> 00:11:24,620 that the studios were ignoring. 163 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:29,061 In the '60s there were about 5000 drive in theatres in the US. 164 00:11:29,161 --> 00:11:33,191 Everywhere, all over. You know, every town had a drive-in. 165 00:11:34,912 --> 00:11:37,818 The drive-in audience was a young audience, 166 00:11:37,918 --> 00:11:41,100 and the kids liked these action and horror films - 167 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,178 the type of pictures the independents were making. 168 00:11:44,278 --> 00:11:47,663 Sometimes they liked them more than the major studio films. 169 00:11:48,792 --> 00:11:52,060 Corman was bright in picking his subjects. 170 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,457 LSD becomes in the paper, he makes The Trip. 171 00:11:55,557 --> 00:11:59,060 Motorcycle guys get in the paper, he makes a motorcycle movie. 172 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:03,777 Bingo Blanket Beach Party - whatever those movies were - they make those. 173 00:12:03,877 --> 00:12:08,221 So they were serving a function, fast cars, motorcycles, drugs. 174 00:12:08,321 --> 00:12:11,899 But the one thing great about Corman was, he wouldn't pay you, 175 00:12:11,999 --> 00:12:15,457 but he'd give you camera and film and let you go shoot on weekends. 176 00:12:15,557 --> 00:12:18,618 We shot stuff on the Strip, all the acid trips and so on. 177 00:12:18,718 --> 00:12:22,619 Fantasizing in the desert. I directed those things. 178 00:12:22,719 --> 00:12:25,096 That was the first time I'd really had a camera 179 00:12:25,196 --> 00:12:27,786 and been able to go out and shoot stuff. 180 00:12:35,832 --> 00:12:41,298 The drive-ins or the art houses is where you found young hip moviegoers in '67. 181 00:12:41,398 --> 00:12:45,059 That's where Warner Bros released that violent bank robber movie 182 00:12:45,159 --> 00:12:47,109 they didn't have much faith in. 183 00:12:52,432 --> 00:12:56,621 Liz Smith of Cosmopolitan calls it "possibly the best film of the year." 184 00:12:56,721 --> 00:12:59,698 ..New Republic, "the best film of the year." 185 00:12:59,798 --> 00:13:02,581 ..both agree, in The Ladies' Home Journal, 186 00:13:02,681 --> 00:13:05,940 that it is "possibly the best film of the year." 187 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:10,620 I know a lot of my friends - liberals - thought it was... 188 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:15,779 hated that picture, thought it was violent and, you know, were furious at me. 189 00:13:15,879 --> 00:13:19,901 Never understood why the kids would go to it four, five, six times. 190 00:13:20,001 --> 00:13:22,499 They just didn't understand that picture. 191 00:13:22,599 --> 00:13:25,578 Because it was about... Well, as Jack Warner said, 192 00:13:25,678 --> 00:13:28,824 "You can't tell the good guys from the bad guys." 193 00:13:29,552 --> 00:13:34,177 Bonnie and Clyde's anti-Establishment stance made it a huge hit, 194 00:13:34,277 --> 00:13:38,541 perfectly reflecting the disillusionment of that winter of '67-'68. 195 00:13:38,641 --> 00:13:40,900 With protests against the Vietnam War, 196 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,058 race riots in the ghetto and anarchy in the streets, 197 00:13:44,158 --> 00:13:46,898 the younger generation was angry and speaking out. 198 00:13:46,998 --> 00:13:50,260 No one was more surprised than this disenfranchised audience 199 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,582 that they might have an ally in Hollywood. 200 00:14:00,032 --> 00:14:03,417 Raised on a steady diet of old films running on television, 201 00:14:03,517 --> 00:14:06,897 the early '60s spawned the first generation of movie buffs 202 00:14:06,997 --> 00:14:10,537 that saw film as an art form that they were determined to be a part of. 203 00:14:10,637 --> 00:14:14,336 I used to see Peter when he was writing for Esquire, 204 00:14:14,436 --> 00:14:16,737 and barely keeping alive. 205 00:14:16,837 --> 00:14:20,137 In fact, we'd go to screenings at The Directors Guild 206 00:14:20,237 --> 00:14:23,819 and he was always the first person at the table to get some food. 207 00:14:23,919 --> 00:14:26,020 It was clearly his only meal of the day. 208 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,018 Bogdanovich came West with new bride, Polly Platt, 209 00:14:29,118 --> 00:14:31,496 looking for a way to break into movies. 210 00:14:31,596 --> 00:14:34,897 We met Roger - we went to see Last Year at Marienbad - 211 00:14:34,997 --> 00:14:39,021 I'm pretty sure that was the film and he was sitting behind us. 212 00:14:39,121 --> 00:14:43,737 We got talking after the screening, and we went out and had a couple of drinks. 213 00:14:43,837 --> 00:14:50,219 I got friendly with Peter and he worked with me as a second-unit director 214 00:14:50,319 --> 00:14:53,857 and general production assistant on The Wild Angels. 215 00:14:53,957 --> 00:14:56,416 They're wild and no angels. 216 00:14:56,516 --> 00:15:00,551 Law-defying - getting their kicks from violence and torture. 217 00:15:02,872 --> 00:15:08,817 The Wild Angels, starring Peter Fonda and Nancy Sinatra. 218 00:15:08,917 --> 00:15:11,542 And I met with Roger, and he said, 219 00:15:11,642 --> 00:15:15,778 "We're making a movie about the Hell's Angels without making a statement." 220 00:15:15,878 --> 00:15:19,497 I thought, "A movie about the Hell's Angels on its own is a statement. 221 00:15:19,597 --> 00:15:21,549 "Let's see how he does it." 222 00:15:22,752 --> 00:15:26,100 Their intimacies, a rape of decency. 223 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,098 Their every enjoyment, a parody of pleasure. 224 00:15:29,198 --> 00:15:31,097 Roger kept missing shots - 225 00:15:31,197 --> 00:15:34,098 you know, he would fall behind during the day - 226 00:15:34,198 --> 00:15:37,896 and he'd say, "We'll shoot that in the second unit." 227 00:15:37,996 --> 00:15:41,776 I had never heard of that but Peter was on to it. 228 00:15:41,876 --> 00:15:43,820 And I did everything possible, 229 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,781 from ordering lunch, and organizing the laundry 230 00:15:46,881 --> 00:15:49,981 to rewriting 80% of the script, without credit 231 00:15:50,081 --> 00:15:52,781 and directing three weeks of the second unit. 232 00:15:52,881 --> 00:15:55,539 The Wild Angels was a big hit for Corman. 233 00:15:55,639 --> 00:15:58,458 And, as usual, he rewarded the young Bogdanovich 234 00:15:58,558 --> 00:16:00,857 with a chance to direct his own picture, 235 00:16:00,957 --> 00:16:04,460 if he could figure out how to use an existing Corman asset. 236 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,378 He said, "Take some footage from The Terror. 237 00:16:07,478 --> 00:16:12,060 "Shoot some additional footage with Boris Karloff who owes me two days." 238 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,340 And we looked at the movie and were devastated 239 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,737 because we could not think of anything. 240 00:16:17,837 --> 00:16:22,660 I kept saying to Peter, "Why are these Victorian horror films not scary?" 241 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,977 Peter was shaving one morning and he came in and he said, 242 00:16:26,077 --> 00:16:29,340 "We'll use The Terror as a movie within the movie, 243 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:34,260 "and Boris Karloff will play an ageing horror-movie star who speaks for us." 244 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,300 And he's the one who says, 245 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,538 "These movies aren't frightening any more, I'm a dinosaur." 246 00:16:39,638 --> 00:16:44,417 And the other plot line is this young all-American, good-looking boy, 247 00:16:44,517 --> 00:16:46,497 who starts buying guns. 248 00:16:46,597 --> 00:16:49,701 And we see him, you know, spreading all his gun, 249 00:16:49,801 --> 00:16:52,097 and eating a chocolate bar, very cool. 250 00:16:52,197 --> 00:16:55,150 And picks up his telescopic rifle and starts aiming. 251 00:16:57,632 --> 00:17:02,547 And it's a very frightening movie because he starts shooting. 252 00:17:04,632 --> 00:17:08,821 The film was so well-made, Corman sold it to Paramount Pictures. 253 00:17:08,921 --> 00:17:11,100 Paramount, like many of the old studios, 254 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,700 was in serious trouble when it was acquired by Gulf and Western, 255 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,379 a conglomerate headed by a mad Austrian. 256 00:17:17,479 --> 00:17:21,618 Charles Bluhdorn was his name, an Austrian-born fellow 257 00:17:21,718 --> 00:17:24,501 of mega-maniacal dimensions. 258 00:17:24,601 --> 00:17:27,701 "You think I make money on pictures? I don't! 259 00:17:27,801 --> 00:17:29,777 "I make money on zinc and sugar! 260 00:17:29,877 --> 00:17:31,900 "Not pictures, it's bullshit. 261 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,377 "But I like it sometimes. But zinc, yes!" 262 00:17:35,477 --> 00:17:39,017 There was no logical business reason. Let's put it this way. 263 00:17:39,117 --> 00:17:42,939 Bluhdorn did not have a business plan as to what to do with Paramount, 264 00:17:43,039 --> 00:17:44,980 there was no grand design. 265 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,456 He loved Hollywood, liked pretty women, 266 00:17:47,556 --> 00:17:51,219 and thought that here was a business in chaos, 267 00:17:51,319 --> 00:17:53,377 maybe there was an opportunity here. 268 00:17:53,477 --> 00:17:55,979 One of Bluhdorn's first decisions 269 00:17:56,079 --> 00:17:58,818 was to hire failed actor turned producer Bob Evans 270 00:17:58,918 --> 00:18:00,940 to run the West Coast operations. 271 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,736 Hollywood wags assumed Evans was an attractive pimp for Bluhdorn. 272 00:18:04,836 --> 00:18:09,260 After all, who but a pimp would want to take over the moribund Paramount? 273 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:12,418 We were suffering with an inventory of films 274 00:18:12,518 --> 00:18:14,737 that had already been started. 275 00:18:14,837 --> 00:18:17,861 You had to get through first that dreadful period 276 00:18:17,961 --> 00:18:22,737 where we made Bluhdorn's dreams, you know, musicals like Paint Your Wagon. 277 00:18:22,837 --> 00:18:25,020 When I had to sit in the screening room 278 00:18:25,120 --> 00:18:29,338 and listen to Lee Marvin and Clint Eastwood sing, as dailies, 279 00:18:29,438 --> 00:18:34,542 I thought, "Why did I leave The New York Times to listen to Lee Marvin singing?" 280 00:18:34,642 --> 00:18:37,378 Evans and Bart signaled Paramount's new direction 281 00:18:37,478 --> 00:18:42,140 by signing the director of the European horror film Repulsion, Roman Polanski, 282 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:46,458 to his first real studio deal for Rosemary's Baby. 283 00:18:46,558 --> 00:18:48,697 The picture was a big hit for Paramount, 284 00:18:48,797 --> 00:18:51,176 and the elfin, fun-loving Polish Polanski 285 00:18:51,276 --> 00:18:55,381 quickly became a part of Bob Evans' social scene. 286 00:18:55,481 --> 00:18:58,857 Evans would introduce Polanski to other young power players 287 00:18:58,957 --> 00:19:03,098 in the New Hollywood, including Warren Beatty and Jack Nicholson. 288 00:19:03,198 --> 00:19:05,576 Women, wine, parties and good blow 289 00:19:05,676 --> 00:19:08,498 were some of the rewards of success in Hollywood 290 00:19:08,598 --> 00:19:12,738 and Polanski, Nicholson and Evans shared their drugs and their women. 291 00:19:12,838 --> 00:19:14,780 But what none of them could know 292 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:19,061 was how often violence would crash their parties and change their lives, 293 00:19:19,161 --> 00:19:23,385 starting with Paramount's scheduled release of Targets in the summer of '68. 294 00:19:24,912 --> 00:19:27,542 So, uh... my thanks to all of you. 295 00:19:27,642 --> 00:19:31,336 And now it's on to Chicago, and let's win there. Thank you. 296 00:19:31,436 --> 00:19:36,339 I had my baby daughter on my hip and had gone to vote for him. 297 00:19:36,439 --> 00:19:40,099 And... and that night, I remember, when he was assassinated, 298 00:19:40,199 --> 00:19:44,700 after the initial shock and horror, I realized it was the end of Targets. 299 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,379 I knew that no one would want to go see that movie. 300 00:19:47,479 --> 00:19:52,699 After Kennedy's assassination, the studio yanked Targets from theatres. 301 00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:54,820 But for Corman and those involved 302 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,941 in making the youth-oriented B-movies so successful at the drive-ins, 303 00:19:59,041 --> 00:20:02,779 it was a boom time, with one hit after another. 304 00:20:02,879 --> 00:20:06,981 The old studio bosses, however, continued hiding behind their high walls 305 00:20:07,081 --> 00:20:09,057 with their heads in the sand. 306 00:20:09,157 --> 00:20:12,739 But one studio head, Stanley Schneider at Columbia Pictures, 307 00:20:12,839 --> 00:20:18,341 had a son young and hip enough to hear the rumble coming down the road. 308 00:20:18,441 --> 00:20:23,941 Bert is the single most significant person in post-1950s... 309 00:20:24,041 --> 00:20:27,300 I mean, he is the equivalent, in terms of producers, 310 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,617 of what Selznick had been before. 311 00:20:29,717 --> 00:20:32,937 He revolutionized film making from the producer's side. 312 00:20:33,037 --> 00:20:37,221 And mainly, he trusted film makers and gave them complete creative freedom. 313 00:20:37,321 --> 00:20:40,021 Bert Schneider was the epitome 314 00:20:40,121 --> 00:20:43,178 of a certain kind of time-and-place producer. 315 00:20:43,278 --> 00:20:45,257 Everyone wanted to be Bert Schneider 316 00:20:45,357 --> 00:20:47,736 and then nobody wanted to be Bert Schneider. 317 00:20:47,836 --> 00:20:52,138 Well, he was cool. He was so cool it was like frightening. 318 00:20:52,238 --> 00:20:56,378 He provided the drugs, he provided the sauna, he provided the pool 319 00:20:56,478 --> 00:20:58,420 he provided the good vibes, 320 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,020 he provided the notion that nobody should ever feel shitty. 321 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:04,228 I always thought Bert was kinda mean. 322 00:21:05,272 --> 00:21:07,229 He kinda scared me. 323 00:21:10,592 --> 00:21:14,499 You know, of course, I met Bob later, and he's... 324 00:21:14,599 --> 00:21:18,057 he's like a beautiful rebel kinda guy, Bob. 325 00:21:18,157 --> 00:21:21,298 Bob Rafelson, a hip young writer-producer 326 00:21:21,398 --> 00:21:24,298 and Bert Schneider, an exec at Columbia Pictures, 327 00:21:24,398 --> 00:21:28,176 had hooked up as friends in New York, and came west with an attitude. 328 00:21:28,276 --> 00:21:33,020 They created Raybert Productions, a TV and movie production company. 329 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:39,738 He was the center of an extraordinary little... community. 330 00:21:39,838 --> 00:21:42,472 - How do you feel now? - Oh, comme Ci, comme ca. 331 00:21:44,872 --> 00:21:49,061 That's enough. Cut it. Print it. Good hit. That should be it. 332 00:21:49,161 --> 00:21:51,898 OK, I think we're on another set. 333 00:21:51,998 --> 00:21:55,500 Hey, Bob, that's not right, man. You know, hitting a girl. 334 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,940 - Hey, did that look good? - I thought it looked great. 335 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:03,141 But about hitting a woman, man, it's about the image and it's not right. 336 00:22:03,241 --> 00:22:06,660 - I hate to interrupt. - I know, it's for your niece. Her name? 337 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,216 - Mary. - Fellas, let's move to the right. 338 00:22:09,316 --> 00:22:11,138 - John, was that right, man? - Yeah. 339 00:22:11,238 --> 00:22:14,899 - John, that's not right. - Can you move over? 340 00:22:14,999 --> 00:22:18,776 Damn it. Bob, it's a movie for kids. They're not gonna dig it, man. 341 00:22:18,876 --> 00:22:21,219 The Beatles were very popular then, 342 00:22:21,319 --> 00:22:25,740 and Bob got the idea of doing a television show based on a rock group. 343 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,221 And so he created The Monkees. 344 00:22:31,472 --> 00:22:35,538 It was an extremely successful show. 345 00:22:35,638 --> 00:22:38,937 Raybert was just these couple of guys. 346 00:22:39,037 --> 00:22:42,018 Very young for people in the industry then. 347 00:22:42,118 --> 00:22:46,019 Every other audition had been some fat guy in a suit going, 348 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,576 "All right, want to read a few lines?" 349 00:22:48,676 --> 00:22:51,940 Bert Schneider's father ran Columbia Pictures. 350 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,381 There Bert and Bob pitched their idea for an American Beatles. 351 00:22:56,481 --> 00:22:59,261 The Monkees, in some way, 352 00:22:59,361 --> 00:23:03,658 were simply a cynical decision to rip off the Beatles, 353 00:23:03,758 --> 00:23:08,826 and be successful in the most traditional terms on television. 354 00:23:10,112 --> 00:23:14,940 We were never allowed, on the TV show, to reference the war ever, 355 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,619 to reference society, anything anti-American, 356 00:23:18,719 --> 00:23:20,660 anything controversial. 357 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,297 Certainly, no references to even getting stoned. 358 00:23:24,397 --> 00:23:29,017 You know, it was all really sickly sweet- you know, white bread. 359 00:23:29,117 --> 00:23:31,060 The economic success of that 360 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,936 put Bert Schneider and Bob Rafelson into the catbird seat, 361 00:23:35,036 --> 00:23:38,912 and what they chose to do with that is what's interesting. 362 00:24:02,832 --> 00:24:06,457 As TV embraced youth programming, the studios still didn't get it - 363 00:24:06,557 --> 00:24:09,698 but Bert Schneider and Bob Rafelson sure did. 364 00:24:09,798 --> 00:24:12,097 Flush with money from The Monkees, 365 00:24:12,197 --> 00:24:16,099 they knew there was an audience for something different. 366 00:24:16,199 --> 00:24:21,382 Peter talked about what was then called The Loners - Easy Rider. 367 00:24:21,482 --> 00:24:24,980 Jack Nicholson had talked Bert into this, I believe, 368 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:29,660 by saying, "Bike movies make money. You're not gonna lose any money." 369 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:35,218 So Schneider said, "I'm gonna give you the money to go and shoot this, 370 00:24:35,318 --> 00:24:38,218 "shoot it in 16mm and if I like what I see 371 00:24:38,318 --> 00:24:42,829 "then I'll give you the rest of the money to make the feature movie." 372 00:24:48,592 --> 00:24:52,579 So I got five friends of mine, that had 16mm cameras, 373 00:24:52,679 --> 00:24:55,222 all of 'em who wanted to be directors - 374 00:24:55,322 --> 00:24:57,340 in the middle of Mardi Gras... 375 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,737 And I was crazy. There's no question about it. 376 00:25:00,837 --> 00:25:05,058 Get into the Winnie, in search of the Mardi Gras parade - 377 00:25:05,158 --> 00:25:08,261 which, if you've seen the movie more than once, 378 00:25:08,361 --> 00:25:10,699 you'll notice we were never in. 379 00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:13,501 The Winnebago never found the Mardi Gras. 380 00:25:13,601 --> 00:25:15,620 And there are reasons for that. 381 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,538 Everyone was stoned out of their minds. 382 00:25:18,638 --> 00:25:23,024 Every person... everyone was stoned out of his mind. That's correct, isn't it? 383 00:25:24,272 --> 00:25:29,020 Dennis was just shooting. Getting... He was gonna "get" New Orleans, man. 384 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:30,778 Which he did. 385 00:25:30,878 --> 00:25:32,820 We shot for four days, 386 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,697 and I literally walked people through the streets, it was like the Bataan march. 387 00:25:37,797 --> 00:25:42,178 Finally, Barry Feinstein said, "I can't take any more," 388 00:25:42,278 --> 00:25:45,221 and started throwing the cans of films at me 389 00:25:45,321 --> 00:25:47,260 and said, "That's it, you know." 390 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:50,301 I said, "if you can't take any more, give me the film!" 391 00:25:50,401 --> 00:25:54,176 He said, "You want the film?" He starts throwing. We get into a fist fight. 392 00:25:54,276 --> 00:25:59,499 He pushes me into a room. Peter's in bed with Karen and Toni Basil, 393 00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:01,897 and a fight proceeds. 394 00:26:01,997 --> 00:26:06,021 Whereupon... it ends, and... everybody leaves. 395 00:26:06,121 --> 00:26:08,779 After the acid-trip scene at the cemetery, 396 00:26:08,879 --> 00:26:11,741 Hopper and Fonda returned to Los Angeles. 397 00:26:11,841 --> 00:26:14,179 I get back and unbeknownst to me, 398 00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:16,822 Peter and Bill Hayward, my brother-in-law, 399 00:26:16,922 --> 00:26:22,059 came back from New Orleans and offered to give back the $20,000 that... 400 00:26:22,159 --> 00:26:25,101 Obviously, that I was a crazy person. 401 00:26:25,201 --> 00:26:28,577 And what they had done was, they started taping me - 402 00:26:28,677 --> 00:26:31,541 my screaming, and my raving and ranting 403 00:26:31,641 --> 00:26:35,901 and they played this for Bert Schneider and Jack Nicholson. 404 00:26:36,001 --> 00:26:39,217 And Bert said, "Well... he sounds excited. 405 00:26:39,317 --> 00:26:44,299 "But I hired this man to direct this movie and he's gonna direct this movie." 406 00:26:44,399 --> 00:26:49,177 Oh, they're not scared of you - they're scared of what you represent to 'em. 407 00:26:49,277 --> 00:26:54,020 Hey, man. All we represent to them, man, is somebody who needs a haircut. 408 00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:58,141 Oh, no. What you represent to them is freedom. 409 00:26:58,241 --> 00:27:01,457 What's wrong with freedom? That's what it's all about. 410 00:27:01,557 --> 00:27:04,182 That's right - that's what it's all about. 411 00:27:04,282 --> 00:27:08,817 But talking about it and being it, that's two different things. 412 00:27:08,917 --> 00:27:14,385 It's real hard to be free when you are bought and sold in the marketplace. 413 00:27:17,272 --> 00:27:20,141 Don't ever tell anybody that they're not free, 414 00:27:20,241 --> 00:27:24,618 cos they'll get busy killin' and maimin' to prove that they are. 415 00:27:24,718 --> 00:27:28,858 On the main poster for Easy Rider there wasn't a motorcycle on it. 416 00:27:28,958 --> 00:27:30,900 The phrase on the top said... 417 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,500 "A man went looking for America and couldn't find it anywhere.โ€œ 418 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:39,457 When we all, the hippies - when we arrived at the sales office at Columbia, 419 00:27:39,557 --> 00:27:42,618 we thought, "What are these guys gonna know?" 420 00:27:42,718 --> 00:27:48,098 We walked in and saw that, "That's gotta be it. It's amazing. 421 00:27:48,198 --> 00:27:52,221 "That came out of...? Far out - put it in. It's great." 422 00:27:52,321 --> 00:27:54,942 As Columbia prepared Easy Rider for release, 423 00:27:55,042 --> 00:27:59,657 United Artists was starting the most controversial studio picture to date. 424 00:27:59,757 --> 00:28:03,861 There was at UA at that time this extraordinary group of people, 425 00:28:03,961 --> 00:28:08,817 who had an extraordinary concept about how to finance and distribute films. 426 00:28:08,917 --> 00:28:12,499 UA had created a world that the majors were not aware of - 427 00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:17,861 studios didn't understand the concept of giving creative control to a film maker. 428 00:28:17,961 --> 00:28:20,981 We did it with every film maker. 429 00:28:21,081 --> 00:28:24,617 One that UA wanted to work with was John Schlesinger, 430 00:28:24,717 --> 00:28:29,300 who had recently scored with Darling, which won its star, Julie Christie, 431 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,340 an Academy Award. 432 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,700 I told John Schlesinger, "We want to make a movie with you. 433 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,740 "What do you want to do?" 434 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,898 He said, "There's a book, you'll never do it." It was Midnight Cowboy. 435 00:28:40,998 --> 00:28:44,979 It never would have been made under the studio system. 436 00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:50,139 John was at a real turning point at the Cowboy time. 437 00:28:50,239 --> 00:28:53,777 He was in the closet, close friends knew that he was gay 438 00:28:53,877 --> 00:28:56,097 but he was desperate to break out. 439 00:28:56,197 --> 00:29:00,418 He wanted to... He's a gay man and he wanted to have a gay partner, 440 00:29:00,518 --> 00:29:02,469 and live a gay life. 441 00:29:02,672 --> 00:29:04,780 And he had all these archaic ideas 442 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,859 that if the crew knew that he was gay, that he'd ask them to do something, 443 00:29:09,959 --> 00:29:14,540 and they'd say, "Fuck you, faggot! You faggot - get outta here!" 444 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:19,779 I mean, these childhood dreams that... must have tormented him and all that. 445 00:29:19,879 --> 00:29:22,459 So I just said, "John, it's our movie. 446 00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:25,980 "If we don't like someone, we'll throw him out." 447 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,340 He got it through his head that maybe it would be all right, 448 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,497 although he was very frightened, 449 00:29:31,597 --> 00:29:36,100 and then he fell in love with a man who he's still with now, 39 years later. 450 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,817 And John was like any one of us if you're in love. 451 00:29:39,917 --> 00:29:42,941 I mean, you're totally on fire with ideas. 452 00:29:43,041 --> 00:29:46,417 And he was inspired - there's no question about it. 453 00:29:46,517 --> 00:29:50,818 - When did you last go to confession? - That's between me and my confessor. 454 00:29:50,918 --> 00:29:53,978 And another thing, you're beginning to smell. 455 00:29:54,078 --> 00:29:57,979 - For a stud that's a handicap. - Don't talk to me about clean. 456 00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:01,537 I ain't never seen you change your underwear once. 457 00:30:01,637 --> 00:30:04,618 - That's pretty peculiar. - I don't do that in public. 458 00:30:04,718 --> 00:30:09,140 - I got no need to expose myself. - I bet. I bet you ain't never been laid! 459 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,500 And you're gonna tell me what appeals to women? 460 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,941 I know that that big dumb cowboy crap of yours don't appeal to nobody, 461 00:30:17,041 --> 00:30:19,220 except every Jackie on 42nd Street. 462 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:24,785 That's faggot stuff. You want to call it by its name, that's strictly for fags. 463 00:30:25,752 --> 00:30:29,339 J-John Wayne - are you gonna tell me he's a fag? 464 00:30:29,439 --> 00:30:32,700 The film would be nominated for seven Oscars, 465 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,060 win three - including Best Picture - 466 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,021 and be the first studio film with an X rating. 467 00:30:38,121 --> 00:30:42,141 1969 continued to rock the movie business. 468 00:30:42,241 --> 00:30:46,059 Woody Allen and Paul Mazursky directed their first features, 469 00:30:46,159 --> 00:30:48,420 Haskell Wexler did Medium Cool, 470 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,296 and Robert Altman's antisocial MASH 471 00:30:52,396 --> 00:30:54,340 But the biggest shake-up came 472 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,940 as the quintessential American drive-in movie premiered at Cannes. 473 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,817 This is the spring of '69 and there's an anti-festival at the same time, 474 00:31:03,917 --> 00:31:05,860 and we win the anti-festival. 475 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,698 The film blew everybody away so badly, 476 00:31:08,798 --> 00:31:14,577 they actually created a category for it, so it could be given a prize at Cannes. 477 00:31:14,677 --> 00:31:19,021 It was tremendous. People did not know how to take us at all. 478 00:31:19,121 --> 00:31:23,577 They just... you know, we were all bearded, or long-haired 479 00:31:23,677 --> 00:31:27,180 and, you know, it was very far-out. 480 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,178 Nobody thought Easy Rider would become a seminal film. 481 00:31:30,278 --> 00:31:32,220 It was just another bike movie. 482 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:37,177 There was a lot of dialogue, a lot of problems, these hippies had gone out, 483 00:31:37,277 --> 00:31:40,418 and they were stoned and they made this movie, 484 00:31:40,518 --> 00:31:42,976 and it was never gonna go together, 485 00:31:43,076 --> 00:31:46,420 and they'd spent 700,000, whatever it was. 486 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:51,100 And that was kinda the rap on the movie, that, at least, we heard. 487 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,901 And then it went out, and it was boffo. 488 00:31:54,001 --> 00:31:55,949 I mean, there was genuine shock. 489 00:32:09,192 --> 00:32:11,149 ~ Get your motor runnin' ~ 490 00:32:12,352 --> 00:32:14,150 ~ Head out on the highway ~ 491 00:32:15,112 --> 00:32:17,149 ~ Lookin' for adventure ~ 492 00:32:17,992 --> 00:32:20,825 ~ In whatever comes our way ~ 493 00:32:21,712 --> 00:32:23,777 ~ Yeah, I gotta go make it... ~ 494 00:32:23,877 --> 00:32:28,141 Hollywood couldn't figure out why anybody was going to see that movie. 495 00:32:28,241 --> 00:32:30,579 And that was just - it seems to me that 496 00:32:30,679 --> 00:32:33,621 that was just as the change was happening. 497 00:32:33,721 --> 00:32:37,539 I mean, it was Vietnam, it was... 498 00:32:37,639 --> 00:32:40,219 Long hair was becoming more popular. 499 00:32:40,319 --> 00:32:44,698 They had lost their audience. They had not addressed their audience, 500 00:32:44,798 --> 00:32:46,980 or what their audience were into. 501 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:51,181 We'd gone through the '60s, and nobody'd ever seen drugs smoked 502 00:32:51,281 --> 00:32:56,296 without going out and committing some kind of murder, or atrocity of some kind. 503 00:32:56,396 --> 00:32:58,340 When you went to see Easy Rider 504 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,818 and when you saw these guys really smoking grass by the fire 505 00:33:02,918 --> 00:33:07,979 and, really, the camaraderie was warm and real and rare, 506 00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:13,458 you went, "What the hell am I looking at? This has value! 507 00:33:13,558 --> 00:33:17,980 "This has a completely different kind of value than Pillow Talk. 508 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,101 "This is something extraordinary! I want more of that!" 509 00:33:22,201 --> 00:33:25,896 But then I kept seeing movies where people vomited. 510 00:33:25,996 --> 00:33:27,665 I want you to meet my fiancรฉe. 511 00:33:32,512 --> 00:33:37,180 Another new talent brought a new level of violent realism to the screen. 512 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,380 His name was Sam Peckinpah. 513 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,581 He liked drinking, women and brawling with studio executives. 514 00:33:43,681 --> 00:33:46,744 His violent lyricism changed movies forever. 515 00:33:53,872 --> 00:33:57,742 The first time I worked for Sam, he wrote The Rifleman. 516 00:33:57,842 --> 00:34:00,499 He hadn't directed yet, but he came on set 517 00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:03,259 and would whisper, "Why don't you do this?" 518 00:34:03,359 --> 00:34:08,497 So I was the guest star in The Rifleman, which he always got an income from. 519 00:34:08,721 --> 00:34:10,820 So that was when I first knew him. 520 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,777 And he was one of the few guys that I knew in the inside that smoked grass. 521 00:34:15,877 --> 00:34:18,981 So he and I used to smoke in his office. 522 00:34:19,081 --> 00:34:24,059 I knew Sam at the time of Wild Bunch, hanging around him, 523 00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:28,580 and, erm, wrote a long article about him. 524 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,297 And I just thought he was brilliant - brilliant. 525 00:34:32,397 --> 00:34:36,741 And I saw the three hours and 45 minutes version of The Wild Bunch, 526 00:34:36,841 --> 00:34:40,702 which was the most brilliant thing I'd ever fucking seen. 527 00:34:40,802 --> 00:34:44,060 The Wild Bunch was, in part, an allegory 528 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,218 for America's increasingly violent involvement in Vietnam. 529 00:34:48,318 --> 00:34:53,618 Fortunately the violence of the new cinema had been limited to the screen. 530 00:34:53,718 --> 00:34:56,821 For most of those at the top of the new Hollywood, 531 00:34:56,921 --> 00:35:01,101 life was a nonstop party with an endless flow of beautiful women and men, 532 00:35:01,201 --> 00:35:03,380 eager to explore the new sexual freedom, 533 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:08,741 enhanced and encouraged with the best drugs money could buy. 534 00:35:08,841 --> 00:35:10,940 Everybody knew everybody else, 535 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,619 and it seemed like the high would last forever. 536 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,272 Then, on the morning of August 9th, 1969... 537 00:35:20,432 --> 00:35:24,781 Charlie Manson's followers broke into Roman Polanski's house 538 00:35:24,881 --> 00:35:28,459 and butchered his pregnant wife, Sharon Tate, and four others, 539 00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:31,182 while the director was away in Europe. 540 00:35:31,282 --> 00:35:33,981 Rumors flew of orgies and drug abuse. 541 00:35:34,081 --> 00:35:37,340 There was a lot of talk about drugs. 542 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,136 Sharon not only didn't use drugs, 543 00:35:41,236 --> 00:35:46,097 she didn't touch alcohol, she didn't smoke cigarettes. 544 00:35:46,197 --> 00:35:50,940 The last film she made was not a very happy experience for her 545 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:56,222 but her greatest picture she was doing was her pregnancy. 546 00:35:56,322 --> 00:35:59,942 I never seen a woman more preoccupied with it. 547 00:36:00,992 --> 00:36:04,696 The house is open now, the police has released it, 548 00:36:04,796 --> 00:36:07,618 and you can go and see the orgy place. 549 00:36:07,718 --> 00:36:11,945 You will see a lot of blood all over the place, 550 00:36:13,672 --> 00:36:17,552 cradles, baby clothes - and that's all. 551 00:36:19,072 --> 00:36:23,181 We all knew Sharon, and we knew, you know, Jay Sebring, 552 00:36:23,281 --> 00:36:28,259 and we knew these people that were part of our everyday life out here. 553 00:36:28,359 --> 00:36:32,381 And suddenly they were all chopped up and messed around. 554 00:36:32,481 --> 00:36:35,022 A lot of rage in there, huh? 555 00:36:35,122 --> 00:36:38,816 Well, there was a lot of rage in the hippie communities, 556 00:36:38,916 --> 00:36:43,740 and on the street in the hippie sides because the voice was not being heard, 557 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,781 the war was going on, it was still whacked out... 558 00:36:46,881 --> 00:36:48,783 because we were blowing it. 559 00:36:54,112 --> 00:36:59,897 The trick and the secret is of creating a film by literally saying you're doing it. 560 00:36:59,997 --> 00:37:04,261 I mean, it's not a matter of asking someone to let you make a movie. 561 00:37:04,361 --> 00:37:08,339 Francis was the smartest of all the film makers, 562 00:37:08,439 --> 00:37:11,737 in terms of trying to bring film makers together, 563 00:37:11,837 --> 00:37:15,419 and do interesting things, and move into technology 564 00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:18,658 and move the rest of the world into technology. 565 00:37:18,758 --> 00:37:22,781 The idea is, you gotta really... really want to do something 566 00:37:22,881 --> 00:37:24,820 and then nothing can stop you. 567 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,898 I thought that he was just another, you know, 568 00:37:27,998 --> 00:37:31,340 mistake in the security of Hollywood, you know. 569 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,659 I looked at it as sort of a walled city, and there were breaches in the defences. 570 00:37:36,759 --> 00:37:40,020 Occasionally you could get in through them 571 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,258 and see what was on the other side of the wall. 572 00:37:43,358 --> 00:37:46,540 That didn't mean that the police wouldn't find you. 573 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,140 The Rain People - Warner Bros didn't want to make it. 574 00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:52,819 They couldn't care less about this movie. 575 00:37:52,919 --> 00:37:56,260 I went in one day and said, "We're flying to New York 576 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,577 "to shoot some film for my new movie." 577 00:37:58,677 --> 00:38:03,217 They said, "We gotta approve it." I said, "Well, I'll pay for it myself." 578 00:38:03,317 --> 00:38:06,660 When I made Easy Rider, he was coming across the top. 579 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,499 I was crossing the south of the country and he was crossing the north. 580 00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:12,620 He was doing The Rain People. 581 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:17,736 Francis Ford Coppola is on the crest of the new wave of American film makers. 582 00:38:17,836 --> 00:38:20,499 Already he has been named best director, 583 00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:25,782 and awarded the grand prize at the San Sebastian Festival in Spain. 584 00:38:25,882 --> 00:38:29,742 He'd gotten on the wall somehow, and he'd gotten, you know, 585 00:38:29,842 --> 00:38:33,898 the local authorities convinced that he should be there. 586 00:38:33,998 --> 00:38:37,348 And, of course, he brought in the Trojan horse. 587 00:38:38,432 --> 00:38:42,057 Would you tell us about your assistant, George Lucas? 588 00:38:42,157 --> 00:38:44,297 He's not my assistant... 589 00:38:44,397 --> 00:38:47,538 Your... Associate. 590 00:38:47,638 --> 00:38:53,061 George won an award to come and observe a film being made, 591 00:38:53,161 --> 00:38:56,340 and he came when we were making Finian's Rainbow. 592 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,620 And I kept seeing this skinny kid and he's always looking. 593 00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:03,097 I said, "Who's that?" He said, "He's observing you." 594 00:39:03,197 --> 00:39:06,497 I think the student films are the only real hope. 595 00:39:06,597 --> 00:39:10,781 They're slowly realizing that students know what theyโ€™re doing. 596 00:39:10,881 --> 00:39:14,257 Time magazine had pictures of all of us in, 597 00:39:14,357 --> 00:39:17,977 and we'd just won The National Student Film Festival. 598 00:39:18,077 --> 00:39:23,059 I won it for Marcello, I'm bored, George won it for THX, 599 00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:27,022 Marty Scorsese won for one of his films. 600 00:39:27,122 --> 00:39:29,380 His, probably, was a real film. 601 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,740 Mike Medavoy was a young talent agent 602 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,621 when he went looking for the next big thing. 603 00:39:35,721 --> 00:39:40,220 I called my secretary and said, "Find these guys. Let's call them." 604 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,016 So I went up and I called John Milius. 605 00:39:44,116 --> 00:39:49,860 I went out and signed him, signed Spielberg - signed a few others. 606 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,939 He was a very, very good agent but a terrible deal-maker. 607 00:39:54,039 --> 00:39:58,460 He... You know, he'd... get you anything. You know, if the guy said, 608 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:03,496 "Well, I really can't... I want to hire the guy but I've only got $35," 609 00:40:03,596 --> 00:40:05,540 Medavoy'd take the $35. 610 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,341 What was good about that was it kept you working. 611 00:40:08,441 --> 00:40:12,339 As the oldest of the film school grads, Francis Coppola set up Zoetrope 612 00:40:12,439 --> 00:40:15,418 as a production banner for emerging talent. 613 00:40:15,518 --> 00:40:19,701 Two of the new film men, Francis Coppola and George Lucas, 614 00:40:19,801 --> 00:40:23,779 are discussing director Lucas' new movie, THX 1138. 615 00:40:23,879 --> 00:40:27,300 George, where did the very first idea of THX come to you? 616 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,979 It came from reading comic books when I was ten years old. 617 00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:37,336 Well, Zoetrope was the first attempt by a kind of outsider... film maker, 618 00:40:37,436 --> 00:40:41,818 who was gonna bring together and form a commune of film makers. 619 00:40:41,918 --> 00:40:46,058 And it's to Francis's credit that he tried to put it together. 620 00:40:46,158 --> 00:40:49,377 Everybody had a six-picture deal with Francis. 621 00:40:49,477 --> 00:40:52,501 So it was six other film makers, my husband among them, 622 00:40:52,601 --> 00:40:55,897 whose projects were supposed to go to Warner. 623 00:40:55,997 --> 00:40:58,861 The deal was we were driving to Warner Bros, 624 00:40:58,961 --> 00:41:03,338 Francis would show themTHX, Zoetrope's flagship first production, 625 00:41:03,438 --> 00:41:07,339 and then present them with these silver boxes with our scripts. 626 00:41:07,439 --> 00:41:12,180 They saw THX, everyone's project was canceled. 627 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,817 Lucas was angry and humiliated by the reaction to the film 628 00:41:16,917 --> 00:41:20,217 and the cancellation of other Zoetrope projects. 629 00:41:20,317 --> 00:41:23,537 A crushed Coppola withdrew to San Francisco, 630 00:41:23,637 --> 00:41:27,299 taking a high-paying script job on the film Patton. 631 00:41:27,399 --> 00:41:31,017 This whole thing was that Francis was kind of regarded 632 00:41:31,117 --> 00:41:33,060 as this guy who'd sold them out. 633 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,616 Francis was the Establishment now. 634 00:41:35,716 --> 00:41:39,097 While Coppola explained to Lucas and the others 635 00:41:39,197 --> 00:41:41,257 why he couldn't save their projects, 636 00:41:41,357 --> 00:41:45,056 Peter Bogdanovich was trying to get his next directing job. 637 00:41:45,156 --> 00:41:50,096 Bert Schneider was looking for new films to do, after Easy Rider's success. 638 00:41:50,196 --> 00:41:53,141 He let me direct my first movie, A Safe Place, 639 00:41:53,241 --> 00:41:55,659 which Jack Nicholson agreed to be in. 640 00:41:55,759 --> 00:42:01,298 And Nicholson was given permission to direct his first film, Drive, He Said. 641 00:42:01,398 --> 00:42:04,261 And along the way I thought of Peter. 642 00:42:04,361 --> 00:42:08,461 They said, "if you ever have a picture you want to make, we'd be interested." 643 00:42:08,561 --> 00:42:13,901 So not too long after that I called and said, 644 00:42:14,001 --> 00:42:18,500 "There's a book I'd like to do, called The Last Picture Show. 645 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,419 "You can get it in paperback. Larry McMurtry wrote it." 646 00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:26,861 Bert said, "Well, send it on over." I said, "Why don't you buy it?" 647 00:42:26,961 --> 00:42:30,140 Arrogant. Thinking, "if he can't even buy the book 648 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:32,739 "he won't be interested in making it." 649 00:42:32,839 --> 00:42:36,702 A week later, he called me. "It took a while to find the book 650 00:42:36,802 --> 00:42:39,256 "but we got it and we'd like to make it." 651 00:42:39,356 --> 00:42:44,658 So we made the movie. It was filled with lots of drama. 652 00:42:44,758 --> 00:42:49,696 The Last Picture Show was a frank exploration of sexuality 653 00:42:49,796 --> 00:42:52,538 in a classic American film making style. 654 00:42:52,638 --> 00:42:56,821 It was also an emotionally painful experience for its makers, 655 00:42:56,921 --> 00:43:01,377 the husband and wife team of Peter Bogdanovich and Polly Platt, 656 00:43:01,477 --> 00:43:03,617 We were in preproduction in LA, 657 00:43:03,717 --> 00:43:08,460 and we were already looking at actors and actresses to play these parts. 658 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:14,018 And I saw a magazine cover at this checkstand of Ralph's Market. 659 00:43:14,118 --> 00:43:17,779 And there was this girl with what I thought looked like 660 00:43:17,879 --> 00:43:20,140 a sexual chip on her shoulder. 661 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:23,819 Corkscrew curls, you know, blonde hair, blue eyes. 662 00:43:23,919 --> 00:43:26,738 Just arrogant little thing, you know. 663 00:43:26,838 --> 00:43:30,297 Although she turns out to be a tall, tall girl. 664 00:43:30,397 --> 00:43:35,097 And I said to Peter, "Doesn't that look just the way Jacy should look?" 665 00:43:35,197 --> 00:43:39,860 And Peter said, "Yes." And, you know, he set about finding her. 666 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,061 I knew you couldn't do it. Now I'll never get to not be a virgin. 667 00:43:44,161 --> 00:43:47,298 What'll we tell everybody? I just want to cry. 668 00:43:47,398 --> 00:43:49,739 My mother was dead right about you! 669 00:43:49,839 --> 00:43:51,860 I don't know what happened. 670 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,098 Don't go out there! We haven't had time to do it! 671 00:43:55,198 --> 00:44:01,057 I don't want one soul to know. You better not tell... Just pretend it was wonderful. 672 00:44:01,157 --> 00:44:02,978 I don't know what happened. 673 00:44:03,078 --> 00:44:06,542 Oh! If you say that one more time, I'll bite you! 674 00:44:25,792 --> 00:44:28,227 Oh, gee, tell us, Jacy. What was it like? 675 00:44:30,912 --> 00:44:35,697 I just can't describe it. I just can't describe it in words. 676 00:44:35,797 --> 00:44:44,499 I had a brief affair with Jeff Bridges. Then he went on National Guard duty, reserve, 677 00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:47,860 and that was when Peter made that fateful comment to me. 678 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,577 We were shooting the scene in the theatre - my first scene in the movie. 679 00:44:52,677 --> 00:44:55,019 And he was sitting in the row behind me. 680 00:44:55,119 --> 00:45:00,222 He leaned forward and said, "I donโ€™t know who I want more, you or Jacy." 681 00:45:00,322 --> 00:45:05,017 And I was so... so struck by that. Then they said, "We're ready, Cybill." 682 00:45:05,117 --> 00:45:07,742 And I had to make that entrance and say, 683 00:45:07,842 --> 00:45:10,701 "What y'all doing back here in the dark?" 684 00:45:10,801 --> 00:45:13,910 And, I mean, it lit that moment. 685 00:45:15,552 --> 00:45:17,702 It lit that moment. it was real. 686 00:45:18,592 --> 00:45:21,658 Peter meant it but it was also... it was... 687 00:45:21,758 --> 00:45:25,536 You couldn't have told well, me, certainly, at that time, 688 00:45:25,636 --> 00:45:27,908 anything else that would have... 689 00:45:28,672 --> 00:45:30,780 I was lit up. 690 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,061 Her boyfriend, back in New York, didn't want her to show her breasts 691 00:45:35,161 --> 00:45:38,457 or do any of the nude scenes in the movie. 692 00:45:38,557 --> 00:45:41,261 So there were all these tears and drama 693 00:45:41,361 --> 00:45:43,417 and I remember, you know, 694 00:45:43,517 --> 00:45:45,939 I saw my husband falling in love with her 695 00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:49,417 or falling in, you know, developing this crush on her 696 00:45:49,517 --> 00:45:53,057 and I remember being grateful that she even had a boyfriend. 697 00:45:53,157 --> 00:45:55,217 Peter asked me, it was interesting, 698 00:45:55,317 --> 00:46:00,140 "Do you think I should fire her because she won't do these nude scenes?" 699 00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:02,269 And I said no. 700 00:46:03,192 --> 00:46:05,779 I don't think anything could have stopped it. 701 00:46:05,879 --> 00:46:10,497 I feel very badly, in many ways, 702 00:46:10,597 --> 00:46:12,737 now that I'm a little wiser. 703 00:46:12,837 --> 00:46:16,100 For Polly, I know that must have been hell for her. 704 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,540 I even, in a certain way, I understood, 705 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,262 I felt it was an occupational hazard of the job. 706 00:46:22,362 --> 00:46:24,816 I just thought it might be a temporary thing. 707 00:46:24,916 --> 00:46:27,542 I've learned since, over many years, 708 00:46:27,642 --> 00:46:30,829 that was far more like Jacy than I ever imagined. 709 00:46:32,432 --> 00:46:34,469 In real life. 710 00:46:35,872 --> 00:46:38,102 If I had it to do all over again, 711 00:46:39,392 --> 00:46:41,739 I would do the same. 712 00:46:41,839 --> 00:46:45,377 While Bogdanovich's marriage was coming apart, 713 00:46:45,477 --> 00:46:50,060 Warren Beatty was winning a reputation as Hollywood's premier bachelor. 714 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,861 However, his follow-up to Bonnie And Clyde, 715 00:46:52,961 --> 00:46:56,627 The Only Game In Town, wasn't scoring nearly as well. 716 00:46:57,312 --> 00:47:00,617 Beatty needed a hit and he believed strongly in directors. 717 00:47:00,717 --> 00:47:04,097 ..John McCabe, he came with poetry on his lips. 718 00:47:04,197 --> 00:47:06,901 If a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass so much. 719 00:47:07,001 --> 00:47:08,701 A deck in his pocket. 720 00:47:08,801 --> 00:47:11,938 What do you say we make this a nickel game, huh? 721 00:47:12,038 --> 00:47:15,220 A man who knew where he was going. 722 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,101 - Where are you going? - Nowhere, uh... 723 00:47:18,201 --> 00:47:21,620 I was just wondering where you was gonna go. 724 00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:25,103 Well, I was gonna go over there by that fence. 725 00:47:26,785 --> 00:47:27,785 Oh. 726 00:47:28,232 --> 00:47:31,537 The problem was, the director of his next film, Robert Altman, 727 00:47:31,637 --> 00:47:34,937 believed the only star in an Altman film was Robert Altman. 728 00:47:35,037 --> 00:47:38,300 And Beatty, after successfully producing Bonnie And Clyde, 729 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,096 was not prepared to play a supporting role, even to his director. 730 00:47:42,196 --> 00:47:44,460 Warren kept worrying about coverage. 731 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,820 Because he had produced Bonnie And Clyde, 732 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,462 and by that time he had a sense 733 00:47:49,562 --> 00:47:54,417 of what you needed to cut away to and Bob doesn't direct that way. 734 00:47:54,517 --> 00:47:57,658 So, the times when things got testy, 735 00:47:57,758 --> 00:48:00,020 it was really a matter of style. 736 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,939 Warren is very precise and you have to honor that 737 00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:07,736 but he's not the director or making the film at that moment in time. 738 00:48:07,836 --> 00:48:11,819 There was a scene actually going on about eight minutes. 739 00:48:11,919 --> 00:48:14,499 It's a wonderful scene we shot with two cameras. 740 00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:18,978 So two cameras, eight minutes long and we did about 40 times. 741 00:48:19,078 --> 00:48:22,580 Imagine just how many rolls of film that was. 742 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,217 Was that 80 rolls of film? Because we had to use 80 rolls of film. 743 00:48:26,317 --> 00:48:28,819 That's 80,000 feet of film. 744 00:48:28,919 --> 00:48:33,899 So we went, probably, about, I don't know, 27 or 28, 745 00:48:33,999 --> 00:48:39,341 when Robert said, "You know, it's not getting better. 746 00:48:39,441 --> 00:48:41,896 "I told you that take eight was perfect for me." 747 00:48:41,996 --> 00:48:45,979 "You kept going," and all that. "I was happy with take eight." 748 00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:49,819 And Warren says, "I want to do one more." 749 00:48:49,919 --> 00:48:54,218 And then Robert says, "OK, Warren, I tell you what, 750 00:48:54,318 --> 00:48:56,260 "I'm tired, I'm going to go home. 751 00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,099 "You do as many takes as you want. These boys are going to take it. 752 00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:02,901 "Finish it when you want." And then he went home. 753 00:49:03,001 --> 00:49:07,580 Neither Beatty or Altman were happy and McCabe would mark the last time 754 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,505 a star would destabilize one of Altman's productions. 755 00:49:18,272 --> 00:49:22,338 As Beatty struggles with Altman, Dennis Hopper planned his next film. 756 00:49:22,438 --> 00:49:27,180 Well, I'm gonna now make the movie that I wanted to make as my first movie, 757 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,257 which is called The Last Movie. 758 00:49:29,357 --> 00:49:33,099 It starts with the last scene of a movie being shot and the company leaves. 759 00:49:33,199 --> 00:49:37,019 The people are left with their streets where one man becomes the director. 760 00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:39,257 He makes the people build a stick camera 761 00:49:39,357 --> 00:49:42,780 and act out the violence that the movie company acted out. 762 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,257 After being turned down by his former partners at BBS, 763 00:49:46,357 --> 00:49:49,418 Dennis Hopper took his new project to Universal Pictures, 764 00:49:49,518 --> 00:49:52,498 which set up a low-budget division, headed by Ned Tannen, 765 00:49:52,598 --> 00:49:54,780 to try to cash in on the youth market. 766 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,300 A friend of mine was flying with Dennis Hopper on an airplane 767 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,739 and he said, "Dennis loves Me And Bobby McGee 768 00:50:00,839 --> 00:50:03,179 "and he wants to hear more of your songs 769 00:50:03,279 --> 00:50:10,021 "cos he's making a movie and he wants to see if you can do the music for it." 770 00:50:10,121 --> 00:50:15,977 And so my publisher flew me out to LA, out here, 771 00:50:16,077 --> 00:50:21,016 and Dennis took my songs and showed them to Phil Spector 772 00:50:21,116 --> 00:50:23,619 and at the end of it, he said, 773 00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,140 "Will you go down to Peru with me? I'm making this movie," 774 00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:29,537 which was The Last Movie. 775 00:50:29,637 --> 00:50:33,219 And he took me down there to do the music for it. 776 00:50:33,319 --> 00:50:37,618 I was just remembering the plane trip down to Peru 777 00:50:37,718 --> 00:50:40,017 was one of the scariest things I've been in. 778 00:50:40,117 --> 00:50:43,417 Here was a plane full of strange people, 779 00:50:43,517 --> 00:50:47,701 including myself, but they were all so loaded 780 00:50:47,801 --> 00:50:50,938 and walking up and down the aisles and singing and dancing 781 00:50:51,038 --> 00:50:54,619 and the plane was rocking, it was some Peruvian airline. 782 00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:58,257 It was, it was really a ship of fools, you know? 783 00:50:58,357 --> 00:51:01,708 It's amazing that anybody got out of that alive. 784 00:51:03,232 --> 00:51:05,180 By the time I got down to Peru, 785 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,658 I think he'd already antagonized the Catholic Church, 786 00:51:09,758 --> 00:51:12,382 the military junta, 787 00:51:12,482 --> 00:51:16,139 the communists, who were building a road that we had to take 788 00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,702 from Cuzco up to Chinchero, where they were filming. 789 00:51:20,712 --> 00:51:22,820 They cast all these friends of Dennis's, 790 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,941 Mitchum's son and all these other guys that were huge 791 00:51:26,041 --> 00:51:29,540 and they rode on horses and took an enormous quantity of drugs. 792 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:34,460 And being in the Andes, in the cocaine capital of the world, 793 00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,899 it was a very insane scene. 794 00:51:36,999 --> 00:51:43,546 But for me, it was an interesting introduction to the film... to movies. 795 00:51:45,392 --> 00:51:48,660 Hey! Cut, cut. What the goddamn hell's the matter with you, Tex? 796 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,179 - Where have you been? - My name's Kansas, I'm... 797 00:51:51,279 --> 00:51:53,619 I don't care. Who hired him? 798 00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,980 - Hey, man, you're in shot. - OK, get out... 799 00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:01,697 - He's supposed to be in the shot. - I don't give a damn. Did you hire him? 800 00:52:01,797 --> 00:52:05,097 All right. Get your positions again and on the double. 801 00:52:05,197 --> 00:52:09,977 Kansas, quit spooking that goddamn horse, we're trying to get the shot, here. 802 00:52:10,077 --> 00:52:12,020 The movie was in Dennis's mind 803 00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:16,019 so nobody else seemed to know what was going on or what was happening. 804 00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:20,099 I was convinced that we had a good movie in the can so we all come back, 805 00:52:20,199 --> 00:52:24,418 Dennis goes to Taos, New Mexico, 806 00:52:24,518 --> 00:52:29,659 and, I think, he bought DH Lawrence estate, 807 00:52:29,759 --> 00:52:31,860 which is a beautiful compound, and all. 808 00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,061 And he decided he's gonna edit the film there. 809 00:52:36,161 --> 00:52:38,978 Of course, he invited all his buddies and everybody 810 00:52:39,078 --> 00:52:45,177 and it was endless 24-hour parties, and all that stuff, you know, 811 00:52:45,277 --> 00:52:47,220 and spending money, and all, 812 00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,581 and everybody was giving advice. 813 00:52:51,681 --> 00:52:53,897 You know, "You should do this, that." 814 00:52:53,997 --> 00:52:58,218 And basically, what happened, really, Dennis screwed it up in editing. 815 00:52:58,318 --> 00:53:04,257 He didn't let anybody, a professional editor, come in. 816 00:53:04,357 --> 00:53:06,497 And that's what he should have done. 817 00:53:06,597 --> 00:53:09,056 He was going his own way. 818 00:53:09,156 --> 00:53:12,697 I think Dennis had probably been fighting so long to do it his way 819 00:53:12,797 --> 00:53:16,220 that when he got a budget which seemed outlandish at the time, 820 00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,260 I think it was a million dollars, 821 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,940 he was not going to be pushed around by anybody. 822 00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,141 I wouldn't re-edit it, which is what he wanted. 823 00:53:26,241 --> 00:53:30,298 - Did they re-cut it? - They couldn't re-cut cos I had final cut. 824 00:53:30,398 --> 00:53:32,500 But I had final cut and cut my own throat. 825 00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,897 The picture's demise was the first threat 826 00:53:34,997 --> 00:53:37,701 to the new power studios were giving directors. 827 00:53:37,801 --> 00:53:41,177 Over at Paramount, studio heads Robert Evans and Peter Bart 828 00:53:41,277 --> 00:53:43,497 were about to find themselves homeless. 829 00:53:43,597 --> 00:53:45,780 Well, what happened was that, 830 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,380 reduced to simplest terms, the Mafia bought the lot 831 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,856 with the Vatican bank as a front. 832 00:53:51,956 --> 00:53:56,338 It was arranged by a rather unsavoury character named Michele Sindona. 833 00:53:56,438 --> 00:53:58,982 I say to you he was a bit unsavoury, 834 00:53:59,082 --> 00:54:02,377 he ended up being murdered in a jail in Sicily, 835 00:54:02,477 --> 00:54:06,858 which I would suggest is a reasonable qualification for unsavoury. 836 00:54:06,958 --> 00:54:09,901 But at this moment in time, he was a banker. 837 00:54:10,001 --> 00:54:13,819 He bought the lot, immediately started shooting porn movies on the lot. 838 00:54:13,919 --> 00:54:17,579 Evans and Bart moved Paramount's offices to Beverly Hills. 839 00:54:17,679 --> 00:54:21,499 While this was going on, Mario Puzo approached his friend, Bob Evans, 840 00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:24,222 desperately in need of cash for gambling debts. 841 00:54:24,322 --> 00:54:26,942 Evans wrote a cheque on the spot for ten grand 842 00:54:27,042 --> 00:54:29,858 for an outline Puzo gave him about the Mafia. 843 00:54:29,958 --> 00:54:33,939 The book was published and this obscure project that I was nursing, 844 00:54:34,039 --> 00:54:37,902 that no one paid attention to was the number one bestseller in the world. 845 00:54:38,002 --> 00:54:41,260 Suddenly, everybody in the studio and in the parent company 846 00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,141 had a better idea as to who should direct and star in it. 847 00:54:44,241 --> 00:54:48,261 We talked to everybody. Evans and I talked to almost everybody. 848 00:54:48,361 --> 00:54:51,540 Nobody wanted to do it. It glorified the Mafia. 849 00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:56,938 It made them Robin Hoods, and all the excuses you can think of. 850 00:54:57,038 --> 00:55:01,620 All of a sudden, everybody got off the picture. it couldn't be put together. 851 00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:09,621 And suddenly it turned up on my desk again as an almost abandoned project. 852 00:55:09,721 --> 00:55:12,342 So... went back to plan A. 853 00:55:12,442 --> 00:55:16,062 I got a call from Peter 854 00:55:17,472 --> 00:55:21,352 asking me if I'd be interested in producing The Godfather. 855 00:55:21,912 --> 00:55:24,267 I couldn't catch my breath for a minute. 856 00:55:25,272 --> 00:55:28,780 And, of course, I said, "Beyond a shadow of a doubt." 857 00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:33,258 He said, "Well, the one caveat is Charlie Bluhdorn wants to meet. 858 00:55:33,358 --> 00:55:37,179 "He has to approve the producer and the director of the Godfather. 859 00:55:37,279 --> 00:55:41,541 "Can you come to New York to meet him?" And I said, "Absolutely." 860 00:55:41,641 --> 00:55:44,421 I was there in Stanley's office, 861 00:55:44,521 --> 00:55:46,460 the adjoining door flies open, 862 00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,698 it's Charlie Bluhdorn, this hyper, wacko Austrian. 863 00:55:50,798 --> 00:55:53,698 "Ruddy, I'm Charlie Bluhdorn." "Yeah, hello." 864 00:55:53,798 --> 00:55:57,060 That was the last line, doesn't ask me how was the flight? Nothing. 865 00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,941 "What you wanna do with this movie?" 866 00:56:00,041 --> 00:56:02,140 I looked at him, I looked at my book. 867 00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:06,271 If I start discussing this book, it's the end of the meeting. 868 00:56:07,112 --> 00:56:09,060 I said, "Charlie, 869 00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:13,862 "I wanna make an ice-blue, terrifying movie about people you love." 870 00:56:15,472 --> 00:56:17,580 "That's brilliant." 871 00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,578 He jumps... He runs out of the office and slams the door. 872 00:56:20,678 --> 00:56:24,376 I say, "Stanley, what the hell is that?" He says, "I'll find out." 873 00:56:24,476 --> 00:56:27,458 He says, "Charlie thinks you're a genius. You got the job." 874 00:56:27,558 --> 00:56:30,777 Hollywood was stunned when Paramount announced 875 00:56:30,877 --> 00:56:34,576 that their blockbuster would be directed by Francis... who? 876 00:56:34,676 --> 00:56:36,657 Francis had, as a director, 877 00:56:36,757 --> 00:56:40,701 done You're A Big Boy Now, Finian's Rainbow, The Rain People. 878 00:56:40,801 --> 00:56:44,619 So it's not the greatest recommendation for taking him over to direct, 879 00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,379 so, truthfully, we hired Francis as a result of his writing ability. 880 00:56:48,479 --> 00:56:51,740 He had already won the Academy Award, just won it, for Patton. 881 00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,898 Coppola initially turned Paramount down. 882 00:56:54,998 --> 00:56:57,701 He didn't wanna do a Hollywood gangster movie. 883 00:56:57,801 --> 00:57:02,460 The original Godfather book had a lot of sleazy aspects to it 884 00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,980 that were cut out for the movie and I didn't like it much for those reasons 885 00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:11,617 and I was very frightened of getting, once again, coopted into another project, 886 00:57:11,717 --> 00:57:14,262 low budget, it was a very inexpensive film. 887 00:57:14,362 --> 00:57:18,259 In those days, they wanted young directors cos they wanted it cheap. 888 00:57:18,359 --> 00:57:21,461 And I did turn it down, actually, once or twice. 889 00:57:21,561 --> 00:57:24,820 You know, the Zoetrope studio wasn't working 890 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,382 and I admired his idealism but he did have some kids 891 00:57:29,392 --> 00:57:32,937 and, erm, I reminded him rather frequently that he was broke 892 00:57:33,037 --> 00:57:35,741 and that this would be one way of getting out of it. 893 00:57:35,841 --> 00:57:38,506 And, er, he kind of agreed. 894 00:57:39,512 --> 00:57:43,499 While The Godfather preoccupied the higher-ups at Paramount, 895 00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:46,301 Bart and Evans gave the go-ahead to a bizarre script 896 00:57:46,401 --> 00:57:49,181 helmed by a director considered extremely eccentric, 897 00:57:49,281 --> 00:57:52,264 even by the standards of '60s Hollywood. 898 00:57:54,032 --> 00:57:57,417 The prototypical early '70s meeting - 899 00:57:57,517 --> 00:58:01,578 Hal Ashby, who couldn't pitch anything. 900 00:58:01,678 --> 00:58:04,056 Long, scruffy beard, 901 00:58:04,156 --> 00:58:06,100 the ultimate film geek. 902 00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,460 For a guy who, when you first met him, 903 00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,581 looked like he would never be able to tie his own shoes, 904 00:58:12,681 --> 00:58:15,658 that you worried about if he was gonna cross the street, 905 00:58:15,758 --> 00:58:20,659 who would have surprised you if he'd ever learnt how to use an ATM machine. 906 00:58:20,759 --> 00:58:23,099 But if you looked behind that a bit, 907 00:58:23,199 --> 00:58:27,817 here's a man who manipulated the studios to do exactly as he wanted. 908 00:58:27,917 --> 00:58:30,658 He says, "I'd like to introduce you to somebody 909 00:58:30,758 --> 00:58:32,700 "who got a sense of this movie." 910 00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:34,857 Brings in Cat Stevens. 911 00:58:34,957 --> 00:58:39,018 Cat Stevens is not somebody you would want to be in the same room with. 912 00:58:39,118 --> 00:58:41,539 He looked like a homeless person. 913 00:58:41,639 --> 00:58:46,460 And the two of them, in their inarticulate '60s way, pitch Harold And Maude. 914 00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,298 They had a great sense of the movie. 915 00:58:49,398 --> 00:58:53,501 But Bob and I had spent a few months trying to persuade Hal to do it. 916 00:58:53,601 --> 00:58:56,099 Not till he met Cat 917 00:58:56,199 --> 00:58:59,221 and they came up with this idea for, like, a mini opera, 918 00:58:59,321 --> 00:59:01,260 did this thing make sense. 919 00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,498 We were this little unit that was out of sight, out of mind. 920 00:59:05,598 --> 00:59:07,939 And they'd look at dailies. 921 00:59:08,039 --> 00:59:11,981 And Hal had a... His philosophy was, 922 00:59:12,081 --> 00:59:15,942 "Here's the script. You've hired me as a director, I'm gonna cast it, 923 00:59:16,042 --> 00:59:18,257 "we've agreed on a budget, beat it." 924 00:59:18,357 --> 00:59:21,700 Midway through the cutting period, we had half the film, 925 00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,060 that he sent to Paramount and they loved 'em. 926 00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:28,385 They thought... They really thought... So that we had a Christmas release. 927 00:59:47,672 --> 00:59:51,028 - Oh, it's all right. - It's organic. 928 00:59:52,752 --> 00:59:55,216 The first review was Murph in Variety 929 00:59:55,316 --> 00:59:59,857 and it said, "Harold And Maude is as funny as a burning orphanage." 930 00:59:59,957 --> 01:00:03,337 And I... And that was a good one. 931 01:00:03,437 --> 01:00:07,977 I mean, Time said, "We're gonna do you a favour. We're not gonna review it." 932 01:00:08,077 --> 01:00:13,139 So. Erm, so that was the end of it. It opened and closed in a week. 933 01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:16,857 And it was gone. Bingo. I mean, it was so weird. 934 01:00:16,957 --> 01:00:21,549 And we'd spent a year on it, you know, and... nobody got it. 935 01:00:24,232 --> 01:00:27,341 In the weeks before Christmas, 1971, 936 01:00:27,441 --> 01:00:32,100 Paramount Pictures began a nationwide campaign advertising The Godfather. 937 01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,098 They were doing something no studio had ever done - 938 01:00:35,198 --> 01:00:40,498 opening a film everywhere at once on an unprecedented 400 screens. 939 01:00:40,598 --> 01:00:42,976 The picture opened to phenomenal business, 940 01:00:43,076 --> 01:00:45,739 grossing over $80 million in its initial run. 941 01:00:45,839 --> 01:00:49,739 Nothing in Hollywood history had ever made this much money this fast. 942 01:00:49,839 --> 01:00:52,941 They saw the amount of money that came through the door, 943 01:00:53,041 --> 01:00:56,178 it was suddenly Gulf... everything... News Corp... 944 01:00:56,278 --> 01:01:00,301 Everyone started looking at studios differently. 945 01:01:00,401 --> 01:01:03,225 They started looking at studios as real cash cows. 946 01:01:03,792 --> 01:01:08,178 The success of The Godfather confirmed Coppola as a genuine artist. 947 01:01:08,278 --> 01:01:10,859 He would use that power to help other directors. 948 01:01:10,959 --> 01:01:15,700 But first, he would bring the exiled George Lucas back to Hollywood. 949 01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,501 And, ultimately, what got Graffiti made 950 01:01:18,601 --> 01:01:23,100 was they said, "if Francis Coppola produces this film, we'll do it." 951 01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:29,622 George kept saying, "I know people will love this movie, it will be a big hit." 952 01:01:29,722 --> 01:01:35,497 We said, "George, if you make this movie, consider yourself very fortunate." 953 01:01:35,597 --> 01:01:40,180 It was just the joy of creating something. We didn't have to use stars. 954 01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:44,142 We didn't have to do anything according to the rules. 955 01:01:44,242 --> 01:01:47,987 - We're all done out here. - All done? What's he mean? 956 01:01:48,872 --> 01:01:52,380 Er, he means we're all done having loads of fun out here. 957 01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,820 Wonderful, have all the fun you want. This place is for fun. 958 01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,057 - Yes, it is. Thank you. - Well. 959 01:01:58,157 --> 01:02:00,499 - Thank you both. - Good luck, son. 960 01:02:00,599 --> 01:02:05,420 Wait. Before I say goodbye, I hope you'll be taking along with you 961 01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,620 a little piece of this place. 962 01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:11,257 - I think I have. - Good. Don't forget us. 963 01:02:11,357 --> 01:02:14,019 No, I won't forget you and you won't forget me. 964 01:02:14,119 --> 01:02:16,619 - No, kid, bye-bye. - Goodbye and good luck. 965 01:02:16,719 --> 01:02:18,980 - Bye. - It was nice to meet you. 966 01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,427 Right. What he said goes for me, too. 967 01:02:27,072 --> 01:02:29,260 You might just make it as a Pharaoh yet, boy. 968 01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:33,418 Everyone in that set believed and said and stated aloud 969 01:02:33,518 --> 01:02:35,460 that this was a classic film. 970 01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,857 That we were making a classic, a cult movie, 971 01:02:38,957 --> 01:02:41,539 a movie that would be important. 972 01:02:41,639 --> 01:02:47,018 And I said, "What are you talking about? This is just a little movie. 973 01:02:47,118 --> 01:02:52,738 "It's just a little thing. We're here in Modesto. We're not making history." 974 01:02:52,838 --> 01:02:56,377 I'll never forget the horror of the people at Universal, 975 01:02:56,477 --> 01:02:58,537 when they looked at this picture. 976 01:02:58,637 --> 01:03:01,900 "What is this? It's not even good enough to run on television. 977 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,941 "What is this thing?" Someone said, "The kids may like it." 978 01:03:05,041 --> 01:03:07,582 "'The kids? But they don't go to the movies." 979 01:03:07,682 --> 01:03:09,780 The whole orientation was different. 980 01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:13,380 There was a famous incident where Francis said, 981 01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:17,858 "if you don't like this movie and don't want to do anything with it, I do. 982 01:03:17,958 --> 01:03:20,901 "I think it's great. Here's a cheque and I'll buy it." 983 01:03:21,001 --> 01:03:24,500 We made no offer, there were discussions and at the last moment, 984 01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,541 Universal, smartly, decided to preview it 985 01:03:27,641 --> 01:03:32,018 before an audience and deliberately invite some kids. 986 01:03:32,118 --> 01:03:36,221 And, of course, I knew the jig was up cos the kids adored this movie. 987 01:03:36,321 --> 01:03:39,820 Universal said, "We thought of selling this? We don't wanna sell it." 988 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:44,580 But there was no understanding about the youth market. That was later. 989 01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,019 With the success of American Graffiti, 990 01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:49,981 the door swung open to Hollywood's next generation 991 01:03:50,081 --> 01:03:52,712 which was coming ashore in Malibu. 992 01:04:03,312 --> 01:04:07,740 And it was just one of my favourite surfing spots on the whole coast. 993 01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:11,781 And, all of a sudden, I find all these people I know have houses there. 994 01:04:11,881 --> 01:04:15,576 Donald Sutherland was an old lover of mine from Canada. 995 01:04:15,676 --> 01:04:20,180 He told me about this house on Nicholas Beach that was 400 bucks a month. 996 01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:24,019 It was a great house, right on the beach with two bedrooms upstairs 997 01:04:24,119 --> 01:04:28,897 and in that hideous '60s A-line split-level style 998 01:04:28,997 --> 01:04:33,378 with an avocado-green shag rug and it was about that deep. 999 01:04:33,478 --> 01:04:37,139 It was very beautiful and very free out there. The ocean was incredible. 1000 01:04:37,239 --> 01:04:40,378 We were right on these beautiful dunes on a private road 1001 01:04:40,478 --> 01:04:43,618 and Michael and Julia Phillips rented a house on the beach. 1002 01:04:43,718 --> 01:04:46,821 Julia and Michael Phillips had produced a hit, 1003 01:04:46,921 --> 01:04:48,860 The Sting, for Universal. 1004 01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,417 We met as neighbours and became very good friends 1005 01:04:52,517 --> 01:04:56,861 and became, I guess, co-conspirators in a sense, 1006 01:04:56,961 --> 01:04:58,900 unconscious co-conspirators, 1007 01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:05,017 in that we began to mix our friends and relationships on a social level 1008 01:05:05,117 --> 01:05:07,821 but it became an important career thing. 1009 01:05:07,921 --> 01:05:11,260 Jenny and I were quite arrogant about being the queen bees 1010 01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:13,657 who decided who was in and who was out 1011 01:05:13,757 --> 01:05:18,667 in this peculiar little rapidly-growing crowd of misfits. 1012 01:05:19,792 --> 01:05:23,619 Jenny was friends with Brian De Palma, who I promptly got a crush on. 1013 01:05:23,719 --> 01:05:27,459 They became an item and he brought Marty out, 1014 01:05:27,559 --> 01:05:30,341 Marty Scorsese, who brought Harvey Keitel out. 1015 01:05:30,441 --> 01:05:33,141 This odd friend of his, Harvey Keitel, 1016 01:05:33,241 --> 01:05:36,617 who came with Marty, you didn't get one without the other. 1017 01:05:36,717 --> 01:05:39,379 And then, like, Schrader was there. 1018 01:05:39,479 --> 01:05:44,662 Marty, or Brian, had another place and Michael and Julia Phillips had one 1019 01:05:44,762 --> 01:05:48,659 and between the three places, people would run into each other. 1020 01:05:48,759 --> 01:05:53,819 I think Milius... Did he know Brian or...? Did he know Marty? 1021 01:05:53,919 --> 01:05:56,978 Who first brought Bobby De Niro out? And Al Pacino? 1022 01:05:57,078 --> 01:06:00,340 That's easy, he was going out with Jill. 1023 01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:05,745 And Margie brought home her darling little friend Steven Spielberg. 1024 01:06:08,032 --> 01:06:11,380 A bunch of actors, you know, lots of girls. 1025 01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,271 I'm telling you, life was good. 1026 01:06:16,472 --> 01:06:20,299 Steven certainly wasn't a ladies' man and Marty wasn't 1027 01:06:20,399 --> 01:06:22,340 and Paul Schrader wasn't. 1028 01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,380 I think these were just like... 1029 01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:28,741 The truth is, on some level, they were nerdy guys 1030 01:06:28,841 --> 01:06:32,457 who wanted to hang out and talk movies and make movies. 1031 01:06:32,557 --> 01:06:35,661 There was a chemistry going on 1032 01:06:35,761 --> 01:06:41,537 between these people having a chance to meet and talk and hang out. 1033 01:06:41,637 --> 01:06:45,619 Well, Julia Phillips, she pulled everybody together. 1034 01:06:45,719 --> 01:06:48,059 She wanted to exploit everybody. 1035 01:06:48,159 --> 01:06:51,777 But she actually had a very positive effect, 1036 01:06:51,877 --> 01:06:53,820 cos she was full of enthusiasm. 1037 01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,898 "What movie do you want to do? Let's get this done." 1038 01:06:56,998 --> 01:07:00,217 We all really rooted for each other in every way - 1039 01:07:00,317 --> 01:07:02,500 went to each other's screenings, 1040 01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:06,541 read each other's screenplays, offered suggestions, 1041 01:07:06,641 --> 01:07:09,182 advised on each other's love life. 1042 01:07:09,282 --> 01:07:14,216 It was all in the pot and up for grabs and very much a communal experience. 1043 01:07:14,316 --> 01:07:18,341 Nicholas Beach, with its rabid film buff culture, 1044 01:07:18,441 --> 01:07:21,620 would create both competition and inspiration. 1045 01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:25,459 Imagine De Palma, Spielberg, Schrader, Milius, Scorsese, 1046 01:07:25,559 --> 01:07:29,858 all arguing over movies, favourite directors and possible projects. 1047 01:07:29,958 --> 01:07:34,939 They drove each other to think and believe they could make great films. 1048 01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:37,439 Run, Bertha! 1049 01:07:37,639 --> 01:07:42,576 The young Scorsese had only directed the Corman-produced Boxcar Bertha. 1050 01:07:42,676 --> 01:07:47,420 He would prove his talent to his buddies with a film from the streets. 1051 01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:51,898 The characters in Mean Streets are a compilation of many characters 1052 01:07:51,998 --> 01:07:55,377 in the neighbourhood where I used to live... 1053 01:07:55,477 --> 01:07:57,537 but he lived there all his life. 1054 01:07:57,637 --> 01:08:00,378 Jonathan Taplin was a rock a roll refugee 1055 01:08:00,478 --> 01:08:02,377 who decided to check out movies. 1056 01:08:02,477 --> 01:08:07,379 I was kind of arrogant enough... I didn't know what I didn't know. 1057 01:08:07,479 --> 01:08:13,257 So I figured if I could have produced 300 rock and roll concerts in four years 1058 01:08:13,357 --> 01:08:15,657 why couldn't I produce a movie? 1059 01:08:15,757 --> 01:08:19,217 Sol put some of my money in, a couple of friends' money in, 1060 01:08:19,317 --> 01:08:21,659 we got together half a million dollars 1061 01:08:21,759 --> 01:08:24,658 and we made Mean Streets. 1062 01:08:24,758 --> 01:08:27,419 Nothing. I won't say nothing to Giovanni. 1063 01:08:27,519 --> 01:08:29,976 Hey, I wanted to ask you something. 1064 01:08:30,076 --> 01:08:32,978 I've always wondered about her - God's honest truth - 1065 01:08:33,078 --> 01:08:35,377 what happens when she comes? 1066 01:08:35,477 --> 01:08:36,978 - What? - What's that? 1067 01:08:37,078 --> 01:08:40,181 What happens when she comes? I mean... 1068 01:08:40,281 --> 01:08:43,497 You dirty, two-faced fucking fag, don't ever hit me again! 1069 01:08:43,597 --> 01:08:44,797 Don't! 1070 01:08:46,752 --> 01:08:48,977 - All right, I think I am gonna... - Go ahead. 1071 01:08:49,077 --> 01:08:51,020 - Right now. - Go on! 1072 01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,858 I'll tear your fuckin' eyes out! 1073 01:08:53,958 --> 01:08:57,417 - I'm gonna kill you, bastard! - Go on! 1074 01:08:57,517 --> 01:09:00,517 Teresa! Teresa. 1075 01:09:00,917 --> 01:09:02,897 What do you do? Do you know? 1076 01:09:02,997 --> 01:09:04,397 Johnny! 1077 01:09:05,476 --> 01:09:08,820 How should I know? She's your fucking girl. 1078 01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:10,869 - Get over here. - Get off. 1079 01:09:12,712 --> 01:09:14,112 Teresa? 1080 01:09:15,037 --> 01:09:19,460 Hey, do you know what to do? 1081 01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:23,618 Marty had his circle of friends 1082 01:09:23,718 --> 01:09:27,097 and they loved the picture. 1083 01:09:27,197 --> 01:09:30,620 They just totally loved it, they saw its originality. 1084 01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:35,627 I remember the first executive we showed it to... 1085 01:09:36,912 --> 01:09:41,500 who shall remain nameless, after a few minutes 1086 01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:46,020 he got up and he said, "Listen, gentlemen, 1087 01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:49,737 "thanks for bringing it in but this is not gonna work." 1088 01:09:49,837 --> 01:09:51,301 So he walked out. 1089 01:09:51,401 --> 01:09:54,101 And so Marty's, like, dying. 1090 01:09:54,201 --> 01:09:59,818 I'm thinking, "I've put my life savings into something and I'll never get it back." 1091 01:09:59,918 --> 01:10:02,542 And then we came here, to Warner Bros. 1092 01:10:02,642 --> 01:10:04,820 And the movie starts 1093 01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:08,297 and about ten minutes into the movie this waiter arrives. 1094 01:10:08,397 --> 01:10:10,340 "Who's got the tuna on rye?" 1095 01:10:10,440 --> 01:10:12,779 And Marty's just, again, dying. 1096 01:10:12,879 --> 01:10:18,099 This guy's standing right in the middle, the waiter's projected on the screen. 1097 01:10:18,199 --> 01:10:20,547 And eventually it settles down and... 1098 01:10:21,632 --> 01:10:24,421 they're starting to laugh cos these are New York guys, 1099 01:10:24,521 --> 01:10:28,898 they understand that kind of Catholic, Jewish, weird New York humour. 1100 01:10:28,998 --> 01:10:32,941 And I'm beginning to think, "Well, this is gonna be OK." 1101 01:10:33,041 --> 01:10:36,417 And then, about two-thirds of the way through the movie, 1102 01:10:36,517 --> 01:10:40,977 John Calley, who was way up front, gets up and starts to walk back 1103 01:10:41,077 --> 01:10:44,899 and I thought, "Oh, my God, this is disastrous, he's leaving." 1104 01:10:44,999 --> 01:10:48,101 And he comes and he sits down next to me and he says, 1105 01:10:48,201 --> 01:10:51,939 "This is the best movie I've seen all year but I have to take a leak, 1106 01:10:52,039 --> 01:10:53,980 "would you mind stopping it?" 1107 01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,020 I said, "Sure, what button do I push?" 1108 01:10:56,120 --> 01:11:00,461 So we stopped and he went out and came back. 1109 01:11:00,561 --> 01:11:04,698 We finished the movie, he just got up and said, "We're buying it. 1110 01:11:04,798 --> 01:11:08,220 "I don't want you to sell it to anybody else but us." 1111 01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:12,219 And so that was... All of sudden we were up. 1112 01:11:12,319 --> 01:11:15,937 Marty popped two Valiums, he was fine. 1113 01:11:16,037 --> 01:11:19,577 About three weeks later, 1114 01:11:19,677 --> 01:11:24,180 we had a meeting with Jay Cocks and Marty and Bob Evans. 1115 01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:28,221 He was saying, "Why didn't you guys sell this movie to us?" 1116 01:11:28,321 --> 01:11:32,139 We had to... We had to rat on Peter Bart. 1117 01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:35,748 Mean Streets opened to ecstatic critical reviews 1118 01:11:37,272 --> 01:11:40,628 in an era when reviews really made a difference. 1119 01:11:41,872 --> 01:11:44,858 Well, obviously it was a different time, 1120 01:11:44,958 --> 01:11:48,699 but there was a sense that film criticism was part of the movement 1121 01:11:48,799 --> 01:11:53,859 and that film critics were there at the barricades. 1122 01:11:53,959 --> 01:11:56,821 You know... you know, 1123 01:11:56,921 --> 01:12:00,579 with the sort of political message of Godard 1124 01:12:00,679 --> 01:12:04,137 in Week End and La Chinoise. 1125 01:12:04,237 --> 01:12:07,857 And, you know, it seems rather preposterous today 1126 01:12:07,957 --> 01:12:11,736 to think of a film critic as part of a political movement. 1127 01:12:11,836 --> 01:12:16,617 But clearly that's how a lot of us thought of ourselves. 1128 01:12:16,717 --> 01:12:20,459 But even as the critics brought audiences back into theatres, 1129 01:12:20,559 --> 01:12:25,097 the studios began to understand what kind of film could really bring money in. 1130 01:12:25,197 --> 01:12:28,779 It opened in New York and it did very well in New York 1131 01:12:28,879 --> 01:12:34,657 but then, literally, in the fifth or sixth week that they'd been working it, 1132 01:12:34,757 --> 01:12:36,381 The Exorcist came out 1133 01:12:36,481 --> 01:12:39,777 and that just sucked up all the Warner Bros oxygen 1134 01:12:39,877 --> 01:12:44,708 and that was it, that's where they were gonna take their energies. 1135 01:12:45,752 --> 01:12:49,701 With The Exorcist, Warner Bros copied Paramount's Godfather strategy - 1136 01:12:49,801 --> 01:12:54,257 opening the picture all over the country, on hundreds of screens. 1137 01:12:54,357 --> 01:12:59,100 It was Friedkins' second hit after the hugely successful French Connection 1138 01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:02,896 and he joined the growing list of directors who could do no wrong. 1139 01:13:02,996 --> 01:13:05,825 Hollywood now belonged to the auteurs. 1140 01:13:13,672 --> 01:13:16,302 Eagerly grabbing up these new media stars, 1141 01:13:16,402 --> 01:13:19,538 Paramount's Charlie Bluhdorn set up the Directors Company 1142 01:13:19,638 --> 01:13:22,778 with Friedkin, Coppola and Bogdanovich, 1143 01:13:22,878 --> 01:13:26,821 ignoring industry concern about inflated directorial egos. 1144 01:13:26,921 --> 01:13:30,861 it was a signal that the producer could be pushed off to the side 1145 01:13:30,961 --> 01:13:35,301 and the directors were the people responsible for making the picture. 1146 01:13:35,401 --> 01:13:40,220 Nobody ever suggested the director wasn't the director of the movie. 1147 01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:44,458 But then, nobody should complain, when you give him 100% freedom, 1148 01:13:44,558 --> 01:13:49,300 about why the pictures cost so much or why they're not talking to the studio. 1149 01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:51,457 I think that was a terrible mistake. 1150 01:13:51,557 --> 01:13:55,778 Coppola's first film for the new company was The Conversation, 1151 01:13:55,878 --> 01:14:01,338 a small, artful film that took a long time to recoup its relatively small budget. 1152 01:14:01,438 --> 01:14:04,258 - I didn't mean to tell you on that level. - No, no. 1153 01:14:04,358 --> 01:14:08,780 Bogdanovich folded his Paper Moon into the new company... 1154 01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:10,299 What company you from? 1155 01:14:10,399 --> 01:14:13,580 ..but then stumbled with his follow-up, Daisy Miller. 1156 01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:16,302 After viewing Daisy Miller and The Conversation, 1157 01:14:16,402 --> 01:14:21,661 Billy Friedkin bailed on his friends to make the hugely expensive Sorcerer. 1158 01:14:21,761 --> 01:14:26,058 The picture flopped and seriously damaged Friedkin's career. 1159 01:14:26,158 --> 01:14:28,457 As the budgets and egos grew, 1160 01:14:28,557 --> 01:14:33,060 a self-righteous sense of artistic entitlement began separating Hollywood 1161 01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:36,739 from the rest of the outside world, which was exploding. 1162 01:14:36,839 --> 01:14:39,419 US involvement with the war was still expanding 1163 01:14:39,519 --> 01:14:41,628 and the ghettos were still aflame. 1164 01:14:56,952 --> 01:14:59,938 There were exceptions to this self-involvement. 1165 01:15:00,038 --> 01:15:04,497 Bert Schneider and Bob Rafelson had continued BBS's successful run of films 1166 01:15:04,597 --> 01:15:06,860 with Rafelson's Five Easy Pieces. 1167 01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:11,620 But Bert, having conquered Hollywood, turned away from make-believe. 1168 01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:16,822 Bert felt the need to put his money where his mouth was. 1169 01:15:16,922 --> 01:15:19,339 He believed in certain things. 1170 01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:21,417 Hi there. Black power. 1171 01:15:21,517 --> 01:15:25,940 Bert's involvements with other non-filmic things 1172 01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:29,018 such as Huey Newton and the Black Panthers, 1173 01:15:29,118 --> 01:15:33,301 such as Abbie Hoffman, who Bert supported while he was underground... 1174 01:15:33,401 --> 01:15:35,952 Huey Newton would be at those parties. 1175 01:15:37,112 --> 01:15:41,141 And I don't know a lot of the specifics 1176 01:15:41,241 --> 01:15:45,820 but legend has it that he got some guns to the Panthers. 1177 01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:49,819 In 1974, Bert produced the Academy Award-winning documentary 1178 01:15:49,919 --> 01:15:51,977 on the Vietnam War, Hearts And Minds. 1179 01:15:52,077 --> 01:15:54,020 Accepting his Oscar, 1180 01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:58,737 Schneider read a telegram conveying greetings of friendship to all Americans 1181 01:15:58,837 --> 01:16:01,382 from Vietnam's revolutionary government. 1182 01:16:01,482 --> 01:16:03,777 There was a moment of shocked silence 1183 01:16:03,877 --> 01:16:07,097 before a burst of applause and scattered hisses. 1184 01:16:07,197 --> 01:16:11,541 Meanwhile, Sam Peckinpah was continuing his politically incorrect ways. 1185 01:16:11,641 --> 01:16:14,219 After scoring with the violent Wild Bunch, 1186 01:16:14,319 --> 01:16:18,219 he had alienated women with the sexist Straw Dogs. 1187 01:16:18,319 --> 01:16:20,537 Sam was like a dog that you love 1188 01:16:20,637 --> 01:16:24,830 but he's always doing something that kind of embarrasses you. 1189 01:16:26,072 --> 01:16:30,298 I don't even think Sam would be allowed to get into LA, 1190 01:16:30,398 --> 01:16:32,340 much less work in LA. 1191 01:16:32,440 --> 01:16:35,940 He was a total outlaw and one of the last of a breed. 1192 01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:38,220 He was like one of the Wild Bunch.v 1193 01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:42,581 There was clearly a case of a real survivor. 1194 01:16:42,681 --> 01:16:46,427 I mean, Sam had the mentality... He used to, like... 1195 01:16:47,512 --> 01:16:51,382 He couldn't really create until he was face down in the barroom, 1196 01:16:51,482 --> 01:16:54,937 dead broke, with everyone laughing at him. 1197 01:16:55,037 --> 01:16:59,460 Dylan came to see me and by then we had cast Kristofferson. 1198 01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:05,221 He said, "You know, I gotta tell you that in a past life I was Billy the Kid." 1199 01:17:05,321 --> 01:17:09,458 So I said, "Well, that's great, Bob, that's why you're in." 1200 01:17:09,558 --> 01:17:13,980 So two weeks later we flew down to Durango and we went to see Sam. 1201 01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:18,857 It was late at night, Sam lived kind of outside of town. 1202 01:17:18,957 --> 01:17:23,141 We walked up towards the house and there was this scream 1203 01:17:23,241 --> 01:17:25,978 and this maid ran out, just terrified. 1204 01:17:26,078 --> 01:17:28,739 And we heard a shot. 1205 01:17:28,839 --> 01:17:34,697 And I thought, "Oh, man, this is gonna blow the whole thing with Bob." 1206 01:17:34,797 --> 01:17:36,820 Hey, Pete, who's that out there? 1207 01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:39,419 I knocked on Sam's door, 1208 01:17:39,519 --> 01:17:43,471 pushed it open and Sam was standing in front of this mirror, 1209 01:17:44,992 --> 01:17:47,461 completely naked, with a gun in his hand. 1210 01:17:57,432 --> 01:18:00,657 This mirror was totally blown to hell 1211 01:18:00,757 --> 01:18:05,537 and he was looking at his reflection and didn't say anything. 1212 01:18:05,637 --> 01:18:08,581 He had a bottle in one hand and a gun in the other. 1213 01:18:08,681 --> 01:18:10,817 I said, "Sam, this is Bob Dylan." 1214 01:18:10,917 --> 01:18:14,819 In the end, Dylan's soundtrack made more money than Peckinpah's film. 1215 01:18:14,919 --> 01:18:17,818 He was trying to make something good. 1216 01:18:17,918 --> 01:18:24,501 Unfortunately, so much creative energy, I felt, was expended 1217 01:18:24,601 --> 01:18:28,579 in fighting the guys who were supposed to be on his side, you know? 1218 01:18:28,679 --> 01:18:31,136 The studio, the producers or whatever. 1219 01:18:31,236 --> 01:18:35,016 As the alcoholic Peckinpah fought MGM over his director's cut, 1220 01:18:35,116 --> 01:18:40,136 a rising star gave one of the boys from Malibu his first studio gig. 1221 01:18:40,236 --> 01:18:44,059 Ellen Burstyn had just become a big star in Warner Bros' The Exorcist 1222 01:18:44,159 --> 01:18:47,298 and was offered a picture where she could pick the director. 1223 01:18:47,398 --> 01:18:49,942 So I called Francis Coppola... 1224 01:18:50,042 --> 01:18:53,380 and I asked him, "Do you know anybody new and exciting?" 1225 01:18:53,480 --> 01:18:57,022 He said, "Look at a film called Mean Streets.v" 1226 01:18:58,112 --> 01:19:01,707 Marty came in and I said, "I loved your movie... 1227 01:19:03,192 --> 01:19:05,257 "but it's really all about men 1228 01:19:05,357 --> 01:19:08,301 "and this picture is from a woman's point of view. 1229 01:19:08,401 --> 01:19:13,177 "And I can't tell from that movie if you know anything about women. Do you?" 1230 01:19:13,277 --> 01:19:15,548 He said, "No, but I'd like to learn." 1231 01:19:16,632 --> 01:19:20,705 So I thought that was as good an answer as I could ever imagine. 1232 01:19:21,592 --> 01:19:24,658 Scorsese surrounded himself with women for Alice, 1233 01:19:24,758 --> 01:19:28,739 partially to help him artistically, partially to protect himself. 1234 01:19:28,839 --> 01:19:32,941 He made his girlfriend Sandy Weintraub the associate producer, 1235 01:19:33,041 --> 01:19:36,902 then hired Toby Rafelson, who'd recently split from husband Bob 1236 01:19:37,002 --> 01:19:41,058 after he'd become too open about his many sexual infidelities. 1237 01:19:41,158 --> 01:19:45,066 Finally, George Lucas's wife Marcia came on as editor. 1238 01:19:45,832 --> 01:19:49,302 - Donald! - That's OK, boy. That's OK, you run! 1239 01:19:51,912 --> 01:19:53,259 Alice... 1240 01:19:53,359 --> 01:19:58,301 But in Hollywood the only relationships that seemed to last were between men. 1241 01:19:59,392 --> 01:20:01,420 At Paramount, Bob Evans, 1242 01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,062 Roman Polanski, Jack Nicholson and Robert Towne 1243 01:20:04,162 --> 01:20:08,181 were creating a classic noir tale of 1930s Los Angeles, 1244 01:20:08,281 --> 01:20:13,100 a film made even darker when Polanski, still scarred by his wife's murder, 1245 01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:17,860 insisted on changing Towne's script to reflect what he saw in reality. 1246 01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,416 Faye Dunaway's character is murdered 1247 01:20:20,516 --> 01:20:24,137 and her daughter returned to her incestual father 1248 01:20:24,237 --> 01:20:27,979 Chinatown's artistic success justified the studios' faith 1249 01:20:28,079 --> 01:20:30,020 in the director as auteur. 1250 01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:33,657 By the mid-'70s, audiences had returned to the theatres. 1251 01:20:33,757 --> 01:20:38,340 The Godfather, American Graffiti and The Exorcist were packing them in. 1252 01:20:38,440 --> 01:20:42,541 A new generation of directors like Coppola, Bogdanovich, Hopper, 1253 01:20:42,641 --> 01:20:47,060 Penn, Peckinpah, Scorsese and Altman had made movies relevant again 1254 01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:50,298 with handcrafted films that spoke to modern audiences. 1255 01:20:50,398 --> 01:20:52,899 But now that the studios had audiences back, 1256 01:20:52,999 --> 01:20:55,456 did they really have to deal with the huge egos 1257 01:20:55,556 --> 01:20:58,740 and autocratic control directors demanded? 1258 01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:01,057 Before the question could be asked, 1259 01:21:01,157 --> 01:21:04,979 the first cracks were appearing in this auterist utopia. 1260 01:21:05,079 --> 01:21:09,421 Trouble is the studios think you're infallible. 1261 01:21:09,521 --> 01:21:12,658 Suddenly you're fallible, you make a mistake, 1262 01:21:12,758 --> 01:21:14,737 you screw up, they lose some money, 1263 01:21:14,837 --> 01:21:17,179 then they get nervous about the next one. 1264 01:21:17,279 --> 01:21:21,977 Peter Bogdanovich stumbled badly with At Long Last Love and Daisy Miller. 1265 01:21:22,077 --> 01:21:26,660 Dennis Hopper's career was lost in a snowstorm of drugs and paranoia. 1266 01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:29,498 Now the BBS had essentially shut down, 1267 01:21:29,598 --> 01:21:32,817 Bob Rafelson watched his directorial ambitions collapse 1268 01:21:32,917 --> 01:21:36,782 under the weight of The King Of Marvin Gardens and Stay Hungry. 1269 01:21:36,882 --> 01:21:39,459 And Robert Altman, after four commercial flops, 1270 01:21:39,559 --> 01:21:43,661 adroitly sidestepped studio indifference to Nashville 1271 01:21:43,761 --> 01:21:46,738 by involving critic Pauline Kael in editing. 1272 01:21:46,838 --> 01:21:52,580 Her endorsement made it Altman's last commercial success for many years. 1273 01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:56,898 What happened to the directors like Peter, 1274 01:21:56,998 --> 01:21:59,339 like Altman, like Peckinpah... 1275 01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:01,540 They were doing whatever they wanted, 1276 01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:04,980 smoking dope, drinking, and they lost their minds. 1277 01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:07,260 I really think that's what happened. 1278 01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,300 It was the age of excess. 1279 01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:13,219 We didn't know enough, we were too successful, 1280 01:22:13,319 --> 01:22:17,059 we probably were somewhat arrogant - I speak for a lot of us - 1281 01:22:17,159 --> 01:22:19,499 and we made some big mistakes. 1282 01:22:19,599 --> 01:22:21,540 As the directors started stumbling, 1283 01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:24,857 Warren Beatty positioned himself to take control. 1284 01:22:24,957 --> 01:22:26,157 Honey! 1285 01:22:26,681 --> 01:22:30,666 - My God, it's Lester! Get up, get up! - Doll? 1286 01:22:31,672 --> 01:22:33,620 - Jackie? - Oh, God. 1287 01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:36,431 - Uh... - Jackie, you sleeping? 1288 01:22:38,432 --> 01:22:39,832 Jackie? 1289 01:22:41,992 --> 01:22:43,392 Jackie? 1290 01:22:48,352 --> 01:22:51,141 Oh, shut the door, shut the door, honey. 1291 01:22:51,241 --> 01:22:54,021 - Come on! - Oh. 1292 01:22:54,121 --> 01:22:55,321 Sorry. 1293 01:22:58,512 --> 01:23:01,461 Warren had a lot to say about the production, 1294 01:23:01,561 --> 01:23:05,581 obviously because he was co-writing it and co-producing 1295 01:23:05,681 --> 01:23:08,302 and actually, it was his baby. 1296 01:23:08,402 --> 01:23:10,697 Hal was frustrated by it on one level 1297 01:23:10,797 --> 01:23:14,060 because like most directors, he wanted to be in charge. 1298 01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:16,702 I don't think he was in charge on that film. 1299 01:23:16,802 --> 01:23:19,459 Warren is a very unique person, too, 1300 01:23:19,559 --> 01:23:23,299 and he is so strong, you know, he's... 1301 01:23:23,399 --> 01:23:28,017 Whatever he has in mind, one way or another, he's gonna get it. 1302 01:23:28,117 --> 01:23:31,982 So here was this situation between him and Hal, 1303 01:23:32,082 --> 01:23:34,898 who was also equally very strong. 1304 01:23:34,998 --> 01:23:38,862 So he said, "OK. We're gonna do my takes first." 1305 01:23:38,962 --> 01:23:42,257 And we did eight or ten takes. 1306 01:23:42,357 --> 01:23:45,657 And Hal says, "OK, I'm happy now, let's do whatever." 1307 01:23:45,757 --> 01:23:49,579 And hey, it was Hal's most successful film. 1308 01:23:49,679 --> 01:23:51,657 I mean, so, what do you say? 1309 01:23:51,757 --> 01:23:54,136 Shampoo was so successful 1310 01:23:54,236 --> 01:23:58,501 it gave Ashby the clout to make his next picture without stars. 1311 01:23:58,601 --> 01:24:02,137 Bound For Glory was a biography of singer Woody Guthrie 1312 01:24:02,237 --> 01:24:06,271 and his attempts to help organize poor workers into unions. 1313 01:24:07,792 --> 01:24:10,501 Ashby, like Guthrie, was uncompromising. 1314 01:24:10,601 --> 01:24:13,578 The picture soon went far over budget and worse, 1315 01:24:13,678 --> 01:24:16,621 failed to connect with an audience. 1316 01:24:16,721 --> 01:24:18,777 The public's taste was changing 1317 01:24:18,877 --> 01:24:21,830 and it would be fed by one of the movie nerds from Malibu. 1318 01:24:27,992 --> 01:24:32,021 I was so deeply unaware of what was going on in the studios, 1319 01:24:32,121 --> 01:24:34,742 I didn't get that part of Steven until later. 1320 01:24:34,842 --> 01:24:39,340 He did know what was going on at the studios, he was the wunderkind, 1321 01:24:39,440 --> 01:24:43,818 I think he dropped a year off his age, or a couple, I'm sure he did. 1322 01:24:43,918 --> 01:24:47,268 Um, cos he started out older than me. 1323 01:24:48,792 --> 01:24:52,858 Spielberg had become a Universal contract director in TV 1324 01:24:52,958 --> 01:24:56,822 and had risen out of that ghetto with the TV movie Duel. 1325 01:24:56,922 --> 01:24:59,100 He was 28 when he started the movie 1326 01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:02,976 that would change him and the movie business forever. 1327 01:25:03,076 --> 01:25:07,537 I saw him become a huge character. 1328 01:25:07,637 --> 01:25:12,257 The demands and pressures that were thrown at him, 1329 01:25:12,357 --> 01:25:20,059 that were staggeringly difficult and painful and... 1330 01:25:20,159 --> 01:25:24,580 And he rose... He just did it, he did his job. 1331 01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:26,620 For a writer it wasn't too tough, 1332 01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:29,900 except that I was writing a few days ahead of the schedule 1333 01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:34,537 and I shared a house with Steven so we talked about nothing but the film. 1334 01:25:34,637 --> 01:25:37,698 I didn't have to go on the water the last two months. 1335 01:25:37,798 --> 01:25:42,779 Steven, Roy and Ricky were going out every day with Robert and the crew 1336 01:25:42,879 --> 01:25:45,661 to get maybe 30 seconds of usable film. 1337 01:25:45,761 --> 01:25:49,339 Bad weather and a recalcitrant mechanical shark 1338 01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:53,658 drove the picture wildly over budget and behind schedule. 1339 01:25:53,758 --> 01:25:56,179 Two-thirds of the way through the shoot, 1340 01:25:56,279 --> 01:25:59,620 the studio flew out to see why the picture was in trouble. 1341 01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:02,980 They were met by a director who didn't smoke or drink 1342 01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:07,181 and would set aside his own ego when dealing with studio executives. 1343 01:26:07,281 --> 01:26:10,540 The result - the Universal suits went back to Hollywood 1344 01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:12,820 and Spielberg finished his film. 1345 01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:17,899 I left the shoot on a Wednesday, after six months we were wrapping. 1346 01:26:17,999 --> 01:26:19,977 We still had a couple of more shots, 1347 01:26:20,077 --> 01:26:22,941 including the shot which exploded the shark. 1348 01:26:23,041 --> 01:26:27,540 Roy Scheider goes bam and the shark... A pretty involved and intricate shot. 1349 01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:30,182 So I had flown to Boston 1350 01:26:30,282 --> 01:26:35,339 and I met Steven in Boston and got on the plane with him to LA 1351 01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:38,578 and I said, "So how did the shot go?" 1352 01:26:38,678 --> 01:26:43,180 He said, "They're doing it now." I said, "Well, why aren't you there?" 1353 01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:46,976 And he kind of gave me this insane grin 1354 01:26:47,076 --> 01:26:50,617 and he had bailed, he'd just said, "I can't do this." 1355 01:26:50,717 --> 01:26:54,741 He had put that shot in the hands of his AD 1356 01:26:54,841 --> 01:26:56,780 and he had skipped, 1357 01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:59,581 which was his way of going completely insane. 1358 01:26:59,681 --> 01:27:04,420 While Spielberg and editor Verna Fields assembled the shark movie, 1359 01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:06,657 some of the other Malibu film makers 1360 01:27:06,757 --> 01:27:10,137 were slipping a dark nightmare through the studio gates. 1361 01:27:10,237 --> 01:27:12,500 I had gone to UCLA film school. 1362 01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:17,666 I'd gone to the AFI the very first year it began, when it was all free, 1363 01:27:18,752 --> 01:27:22,499 and then a number of things had fallen apart in my life. 1364 01:27:22,599 --> 01:27:26,339 I was in debt, I wasn't making any money, 1365 01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:28,460 marriage had fallen apart, 1366 01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:32,581 I had left the AFI in protest over some of their policies. 1367 01:27:32,681 --> 01:27:36,297 So I really didn't have much of a place to go or much of a life. 1368 01:27:36,397 --> 01:27:39,458 I took to wandering and kind of drifting around. 1369 01:27:39,558 --> 01:27:43,379 And it was out of that period of drifting, and drinking, 1370 01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:47,479 that, uh... l, um... 1371 01:27:48,992 --> 01:27:54,016 started having this pain and finally went to the hospital and I had an ulcer. 1372 01:27:54,116 --> 01:27:56,220 26 years old. 1373 01:27:56,320 --> 01:28:00,857 I realized in the emergency area that I hadn't spoken to anybody in weeks. 1374 01:28:00,957 --> 01:28:06,231 I'd just been drifting around in this car, sleeping in my car. 1375 01:28:07,312 --> 01:28:10,668 And so the metaphor of the taxi driver came to me. 1376 01:28:16,552 --> 01:28:18,152 De Niro. 1377 01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:22,658 In Bang The Drum Slowly, the critics called him a brilliant new talent. 1378 01:28:22,758 --> 01:28:26,137 After Mean Streets, they said he was a genius. 1379 01:28:26,237 --> 01:28:29,138 For his performance in The Godfather Part II, 1380 01:28:29,238 --> 01:28:31,457 they gave him the Academy Award. 1381 01:28:31,557 --> 01:28:33,298 Just get me out of here, all right? 1382 01:28:33,398 --> 01:28:38,938 Now Robert De Niro creates a terrifying portrait of life 1383 01:28:39,038 --> 01:28:41,220 on the edge of madness. 1384 01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:44,058 Driver, just forget about this, it's nothin'. 1385 01:28:44,158 --> 01:28:47,101 A film by Martin Scorsese. 1386 01:28:47,201 --> 01:28:50,497 People will do anything in front of a taxi driver. 1387 01:28:50,597 --> 01:28:54,541 - People too cheap to rent a hotel room. - Driver, hurry up. 1388 01:28:54,641 --> 01:28:56,218 People wanna embarrass you. 1389 01:28:56,318 --> 01:28:59,697 It's like you're not even there, you don't even exist. 1390 01:28:59,797 --> 01:29:03,741 This city here is like an open sewer, it's full of filth and scum. 1391 01:29:03,841 --> 01:29:06,541 I think I know what you mean, Travis. 1392 01:29:06,641 --> 01:29:10,901 The script banged around Hollywood and everyone said, "This is really good, 1393 01:29:11,001 --> 01:29:13,419 "somebody should make it but not us." 1394 01:29:13,519 --> 01:29:15,577 And then things started coming together, 1395 01:29:15,677 --> 01:29:19,339 Michael and Julia got a Best Oscar for The Sting, 1396 01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:22,977 Marty had a hit with Alice Doesn't Live Here, 1397 01:29:23,077 --> 01:29:25,377 Bobby got an Oscar for Godfather II, 1398 01:29:25,477 --> 01:29:28,298 and all of a sudden at $2 million... 1399 01:29:28,398 --> 01:29:31,218 Uh... Begelman and Julia Phillips were friends 1400 01:29:31,318 --> 01:29:35,219 and Julia said, "Somebody should make this, why don't you?" 1401 01:29:35,319 --> 01:29:37,899 And he finally said, "Why not? OK." 1402 01:29:37,999 --> 01:29:42,138 1403 01:29:42,238 --> 01:29:44,862 he had every kind of asthma condition, 1404 01:29:44,962 --> 01:29:49,178 he was just afraid of being chewed up by the system, 1405 01:29:49,278 --> 01:29:54,499 he'd obviously been banged around in some of his film making experiences 1406 01:29:54,599 --> 01:29:58,978 and just wanted to get through with his work 1407 01:29:59,078 --> 01:30:02,420 without being too badly mauled. 1408 01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,461 In order to get a green light from the studio 1409 01:30:05,561 --> 01:30:07,500 Phillips and Scorsese went forward 1410 01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,541 with what they knew was an inadequate budget. 1411 01:30:10,641 --> 01:30:14,379 We were the Enron of Columbia Pictures at that time. 1412 01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:19,785 We kept the truth hidden, we made promises, 1413 01:30:20,872 --> 01:30:24,417 then we'd go out and shoot something we said we were gonna drop. 1414 01:30:24,517 --> 01:30:28,221 They would freak out. "You're not authorized to shoot this." 1415 01:30:29,512 --> 01:30:33,701 "Sorry, sorry. It's OK, we thought we could do it on the same day." 1416 01:30:33,801 --> 01:30:36,017 You know, just playing a role. 1417 01:30:36,117 --> 01:30:38,459 For Taxi Driver, the boys from Malibu Beach 1418 01:30:38,559 --> 01:30:41,016 closed ranks protectively around Scorsese. 1419 01:30:41,116 --> 01:30:44,098 Cybill Shepherd was practically visiting royalty. 1420 01:30:44,198 --> 01:30:49,541 She came because the studio wanted one more name in the cast. 1421 01:30:49,641 --> 01:30:53,379 At the time I had two offers at Columbia Pictures. 1422 01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:57,661 I had Taxi Driver and I had, um... 1423 01:30:57,761 --> 01:31:01,180 Nickelodeon and David Begelman said I couldn't do both. 1424 01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:05,737 I talked to Peter and we both agreed. I said, "I need to do Taxi Driver," 1425 01:31:05,837 --> 01:31:08,978 because we were no longer reviewed for our work 1426 01:31:09,078 --> 01:31:11,456 after At Long Last Love, Peter and I. 1427 01:31:11,556 --> 01:31:13,979 We were so obnoxious in the press. 1428 01:31:14,079 --> 01:31:17,420 "Look at us, we're in love and we don't have to be married." 1429 01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:19,577 That was a revolutionary premise then. 1430 01:31:19,677 --> 01:31:22,541 We were the first couple to be on the cover of a magazine 1431 01:31:22,641 --> 01:31:24,580 that were living in sin. 1432 01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:28,499 Her partner's film, Nickelodeon made money for Columbia 1433 01:31:28,599 --> 01:31:30,897 but not enough to reverse the perception 1434 01:31:30,997 --> 01:31:33,180 that Bogdanovich had lost his touch. 1435 01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:35,779 In a business where perception is everything, 1436 01:31:35,879 --> 01:31:40,061 Steven Spielberg's shark film was about to change Hollywood's perception 1437 01:31:40,161 --> 01:31:42,100 of what success really meant. 1438 01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:46,780 I... Had I seen it? No, I guess I hadn't seen it yet. 1439 01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:51,309 I was in New York and the studio had told me... 1440 01:31:52,992 --> 01:31:57,420 the film was gonna be shown at the Rivoli Theater on such and such a night. 1441 01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:01,658 So I go down to the Rivoli Theater and there's 1,500 or 2,000 people. 1442 01:32:01,758 --> 01:32:05,377 So we start watching this movie. Now, I'm in the movie. 1443 01:32:05,477 --> 01:32:07,420 And I forgot that I was in it. 1444 01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:11,499 I was so swept up in the fear and the storytelling, 1445 01:32:11,599 --> 01:32:15,541 I completely forgot that that was me. I had no idea... 1446 01:32:15,641 --> 01:32:21,583 I was appropriately terrified and scared, it was incredible. 1447 01:32:23,392 --> 01:32:29,257 And then... then the audience did something that I had never heard. Ever. 1448 01:32:29,357 --> 01:32:31,787 Maybe it had been done before but... 1449 01:32:34,152 --> 01:32:38,580 The movie ends and the entire building erupts 1450 01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:41,710 in a sound that was extraordinary. 1451 01:32:42,792 --> 01:32:47,150 Screaming, yelling, applauding, yelling, screaming. Gevalt! 1452 01:33:00,112 --> 01:33:05,061 - That's a 20-footer. - 25. Three tons of him. 1453 01:33:10,712 --> 01:33:13,342 You're gonna need a bigger boat, right? 1454 01:33:13,442 --> 01:33:16,221 Gotta get to work. How do we handle this? 1455 01:33:16,321 --> 01:33:18,872 - How do we handle this? - I need you. 1456 01:33:21,072 --> 01:33:23,456 He's circling the boat! 1457 01:33:23,556 --> 01:33:25,782 Come on, come on. 1458 01:33:29,112 --> 01:33:32,540 Lew Wasserman, Sid Scheinberg, Henry H, 1459 01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:35,820 Hi Martin and Charlie Powell - 1460 01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:40,537 Martin was head of distribution, Powell was head of marketing and publicity - 1461 01:33:40,637 --> 01:33:45,699 met in the men's room of the theatre cos it was the only place they could talk. 1462 01:33:45,799 --> 01:33:52,259 And Wasserman said, "Put it out to as many screens as we can get." 1463 01:33:52,359 --> 01:33:57,542 And they went for 1,200 screens which, at that time, was unheard of. 1464 01:33:57,642 --> 01:34:01,581 This was a big decision to try to take Jaws 1465 01:34:01,681 --> 01:34:06,297 and put it out there like they used to do with exploitation pictures. 1466 01:34:06,397 --> 01:34:09,181 Exploitation pictures were meant to come in, 1467 01:34:09,281 --> 01:34:13,621 make a lot of money before anybody noticed how bad they were and get out. 1468 01:34:13,721 --> 01:34:18,220 When I saw Jaws, I thought, "Uh-oh. These guys understand 1469 01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:21,341 "what I and my contemporaries are doing 1470 01:34:21,441 --> 01:34:25,057 "and they have the money and the talent and skill 1471 01:34:25,157 --> 01:34:27,297 "to do them bigger and better." 1472 01:34:27,397 --> 01:34:30,421 By the winter of '75/'76, 1473 01:34:30,521 --> 01:34:35,297 Universal's Jaws had rolled up $100 million at the box office. 1474 01:34:35,397 --> 01:34:38,660 It was the first motion picture in history to do so. 1475 01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:42,632 Everyone knew everything had changed. 1476 01:34:43,832 --> 01:34:48,340 Taxi Driver opened later that year to ecstatic reviews and decent business. 1477 01:34:48,440 --> 01:34:51,062 But decent business wasn't enough any more. 1478 01:34:51,162 --> 01:34:53,702 The age of the blockbuster had arrived 1479 01:34:53,802 --> 01:34:56,821 and as the grosses climbed, the pressures mounted. 1480 01:34:56,921 --> 01:34:58,860 So did the casualties. 1481 01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:03,700 I started using cocaine and amphetamines way before the success 1482 01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:08,902 and in fact had had quite a bit of success working behind it 1483 01:35:09,002 --> 01:35:13,058 and I was thinking yesterday, things I might say about it 1484 01:35:13,158 --> 01:35:16,979 and there was a definite progression that went from using it as a tool 1485 01:35:17,079 --> 01:35:19,020 to using it as a crutch 1486 01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:23,418 and then it became you weren't using it for anything, it was life itself. 1487 01:35:23,518 --> 01:35:25,460 In the new Hollywood, 1488 01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:29,139 Julia Phillips was just one of the legion of movie professionals 1489 01:35:29,239 --> 01:35:31,985 for whom cocaine was a perk and a tool. 1490 01:35:33,072 --> 01:35:36,899 When I was directing Blue Collar and I was in preproduction, 1491 01:35:36,999 --> 01:35:41,138 the producer at that time, Hal Schneider, came into my office, 1492 01:35:41,238 --> 01:35:45,298 put a vial on my desk and said, "Here, this'll help you work longer." 1493 01:35:45,398 --> 01:35:48,703 You know, and it was almost medicinal. 1494 01:35:49,832 --> 01:35:52,621 There was a time in Hollywood 1495 01:35:52,721 --> 01:35:56,177 where you could see people snorting coke in public. 1496 01:35:56,277 --> 01:36:01,020 And you could see people snorting coke in public who you knew, who were... 1497 01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:04,497 You know, they had authority, they had responsibility. 1498 01:36:04,597 --> 01:36:10,377 Now, I'm... You know, at that time I was completely over my head. 1499 01:36:10,477 --> 01:36:16,991 We went to an AFI tribute for Alfred Hitchcock, one year during his period. 1500 01:36:18,192 --> 01:36:21,098 I went to the men's room and I swear to God, 1501 01:36:21,198 --> 01:36:25,381 under every single stall there was at least six or eight legs. 1502 01:36:25,481 --> 01:36:29,299 The sound of snorting was so loud, it was like a joke 1503 01:36:29,399 --> 01:36:34,379 and there was this one kind of old washroom attendant 1504 01:36:34,479 --> 01:36:37,181 sitting there trying to hand out towels 1505 01:36:37,281 --> 01:36:39,380 and it was comical. 1506 01:36:39,480 --> 01:36:44,097 Here's old Alfred Hitchcock up there getting his life achievement award 1507 01:36:44,197 --> 01:36:48,099 and all the Hollywood hoi polloi are in there snorting cocaine. 1508 01:36:48,199 --> 01:36:50,140 It was crazy. 1509 01:36:50,240 --> 01:36:53,580 As drugs overran the Hollywood social scene, 1510 01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:56,339 the movies themselves began to be affected. 1511 01:36:56,439 --> 01:37:01,818 This was the beginning of, also, the craziness for everyone. 1512 01:37:01,918 --> 01:37:04,818 Fresh off the critical success of Taxi Driver, 1513 01:37:04,918 --> 01:37:06,897 Scorsese could do anything he wanted. 1514 01:37:06,997 --> 01:37:09,297 His choice - an almost impossible blending 1515 01:37:09,397 --> 01:37:11,340 of golden-age Hollywood musical 1516 01:37:11,440 --> 01:37:14,737 and Cassavetes-like emotional catharsis. 1517 01:37:14,837 --> 01:37:16,817 Well, New York, New York... 1518 01:37:16,917 --> 01:37:22,777 reflects the unique state of mind that Marty was in at that time. 1519 01:37:22,877 --> 01:37:28,345 He was having terrible trouble with his marriage with Julia, 1520 01:37:29,232 --> 01:37:33,378 um, he was having an affair with Liza Minnelli, 1521 01:37:33,478 --> 01:37:37,017 he was staying up all night, 1522 01:37:37,117 --> 01:37:40,337 he had pushed it to the edge of the envelope. 1523 01:37:40,437 --> 01:37:43,301 The private life is kinda screwed up, 1524 01:37:43,401 --> 01:37:45,856 so you begin to live in the fast lane 1525 01:37:45,956 --> 01:37:51,301 because you want to kind of get some benefit out of where you are 1526 01:37:51,401 --> 01:37:55,538 but you can't because your work is always... 1527 01:37:55,638 --> 01:38:00,380 They're always in the back of your head with a gun, you know? 1528 01:38:00,480 --> 01:38:03,059 They want, they pay you - deliver. 1529 01:38:03,159 --> 01:38:07,458 All this emotional chaos and everybody doing too much cocaine 1530 01:38:07,558 --> 01:38:10,016 didn't help solve the artistic problems. 1531 01:38:10,116 --> 01:38:14,982 Marty was very clever, that we started with the musical numbers. 1532 01:38:16,072 --> 01:38:18,419 So two weeks, that's all we shot. 1533 01:38:18,519 --> 01:38:23,507 When we finished, he invited for screening Vincente Minnelli, everybody. 1534 01:38:24,592 --> 01:38:28,861 Just a big gala, like it was a wrap party, you know. 1535 01:38:28,961 --> 01:38:35,099 And they showed this - I don't know - about 15-, 20-minute musical number. 1536 01:38:35,199 --> 01:38:38,620 And it was... I was even surprised, it was fabulous. 1537 01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:41,741 You know, moving and all great songs. 1538 01:38:41,841 --> 01:38:46,190 And from that point on, the studio gave Marty anything. 1539 01:38:47,272 --> 01:38:51,152 I didn't know that this was kind of Drugs R Us... 1540 01:38:52,912 --> 01:38:55,028 going on on this movie. 1541 01:38:56,712 --> 01:38:58,980 You know, I wasn't... 1542 01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:04,139 At the time I'd never tried drugs so I didn't know what it smelt like, looked like 1543 01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:07,218 or what people were like when they were on it. 1544 01:39:07,318 --> 01:39:12,060 Ultimately, Scorsese kicked the drugs and recovered. Some didn't. 1545 01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:14,100 In the deserts of Nevada, 1546 01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:17,737 Sam Peckinpah was driving Convoy off the road. 1547 01:39:17,837 --> 01:39:21,861 Cocaine and booze was a big problem 1548 01:39:21,961 --> 01:39:26,344 and that would certainly explain a lot of the delays. 1549 01:39:27,432 --> 01:39:30,940 I was on the wagon then and Sam wasn't 1550 01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:36,338 and I would stay pretty much in my trailer, I didn't wanna get in trouble. 1551 01:39:36,438 --> 01:39:38,779 They actually fired him at one point 1552 01:39:38,879 --> 01:39:43,577 and I told them that I would walk if he weren't kept on the film. 1553 01:39:43,677 --> 01:39:48,978 We were standing outside the saloon, the truck stop where the fight was 1554 01:39:49,078 --> 01:39:53,820 and he came up behind me and said, "You son of a bitch! I was outta here!" 1555 01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:58,371 And I said, "You son of a bitch, you got me into here!" You know? 1556 01:39:58,507 --> 01:40:00,780 He was in rough shape. 1557 01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:03,821 Time after time, he would ruin himself financially, 1558 01:40:03,921 --> 01:40:06,898 ruin his personal life, ruin his reputation, 1559 01:40:06,998 --> 01:40:09,622 so he could do this whole phoenix act. 1560 01:40:09,722 --> 01:40:12,858 Er... It didn't work with cocaine. 1561 01:40:12,958 --> 01:40:18,019 He did fall flat down, face down on the floor with cocaine, 1562 01:40:18,119 --> 01:40:20,060 only this time he couldn't get up. 1563 01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:22,109 A different drug. 1564 01:40:22,992 --> 01:40:26,899 William Blake said, "The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom". 1565 01:40:26,999 --> 01:40:29,818 It also leads to the grave. 1566 01:40:29,918 --> 01:40:32,020 Sam Peckinpah made one more picture, 1567 01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:34,060 the compromised Osterman Weekend 1568 01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:38,139 before dying of heart failure at the age of 59 in Mexico. 1569 01:40:38,239 --> 01:40:41,500 Most said he was the victim of his own excesses. 1570 01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:45,062 People can always say you're your own victim but... 1571 01:40:46,712 --> 01:40:51,656 Sometimes people have great talent which has to be nourished in some way 1572 01:40:51,756 --> 01:40:55,137 and if this industry can't nourish it they become victims 1573 01:40:55,237 --> 01:40:58,420 and then their self-indulgence sometimes takes over 1574 01:40:58,520 --> 01:41:01,550 and nobody pulls 'em up and pulls 'em out. 1575 01:41:02,552 --> 01:41:07,060 I mean, if you write screenplay after screenplay, deal after deal, 1576 01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:10,218 that you see fall apart and go away and so on, 1577 01:41:10,318 --> 01:41:13,777 and you never lose your enthusiasm for wanting to make film, 1578 01:41:13,877 --> 01:41:16,256 you're a victim, that's all. 1579 01:41:16,356 --> 01:41:20,099 Malibu resident- producer-provocateur Julia Phillips 1580 01:41:20,199 --> 01:41:22,539 would drive the drug scene underground 1581 01:41:22,639 --> 01:41:27,460 when she publicly flamed out on Steven Spielberg's follow-up to Jaws, 1582 01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:29,697 Close Encounters Of The Third Kind. 1583 01:41:29,797 --> 01:41:32,060 Julia and I were pretty terrible 1584 01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:37,778 but as far as I was concerned, in the midst of Julia's chazerai craziness, 1585 01:41:37,878 --> 01:41:40,459 she also was a hard worker. 1586 01:41:40,559 --> 01:41:44,539 Julia fought the battles on this. We were divorced at this time 1587 01:41:44,639 --> 01:41:47,778 and she ran into problems, as everybody knows, 1588 01:41:47,878 --> 01:41:51,183 late in the postproduction and, er... 1589 01:41:52,592 --> 01:41:56,339 Drug problems - and had to be removed 1590 01:41:56,439 --> 01:42:02,101 and I got back on and worked with Steven to finish the film. 1591 01:42:02,201 --> 01:42:06,780 Some years later, she wrote a book. So, I go to the book store. 1592 01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:10,177 I'm reading what Julia is writing about me 1593 01:42:10,277 --> 01:42:13,258 and I am getting seriously angry. 1594 01:42:13,358 --> 01:42:15,939 Seriously furious. 1595 01:42:16,039 --> 01:42:20,098 And I'm gonna kill her! And I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna do that. 1596 01:42:20,198 --> 01:42:24,099 And all of a sudden, I hear this little voice 1597 01:42:24,199 --> 01:42:26,699 and the voice inside my head is saying, 1598 01:42:26,799 --> 01:42:28,599 "Richard, 1599 01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:33,457 "what really happened was so much worse. 1600 01:42:33,557 --> 01:42:35,500 "Leave it alone." 1601 01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:38,897 And I left it alone. 1602 01:42:38,997 --> 01:42:43,777 I didn't know Julia in the last few years of her life. I don't know. 1603 01:42:43,877 --> 01:42:47,539 She wasn't happy. She wasn't in good circumstances. 1604 01:42:47,639 --> 01:42:52,018 But I never hated her for that. You know, I was... I was there. 1605 01:42:52,118 --> 01:42:54,060 I did that stuff. 1606 01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:58,501 Drugs and excess may have derailed some of the new generation 1607 01:42:58,601 --> 01:43:01,461 but it was nothing compared to the success 1608 01:43:01,561 --> 01:43:05,901 of the easily promotable B-movies that audiences were embracing. 1609 01:43:06,001 --> 01:43:08,456 But this was a new kind of B-movie. 1610 01:43:08,556 --> 01:43:12,938 Instead of a low-budget programmer to fit the bottom of a double bill, 1611 01:43:13,038 --> 01:43:17,577 these were expensive, effects-driven pictures like Close Encounters 1612 01:43:17,677 --> 01:43:20,869 that could endanger a studio if they failed. 1613 01:43:22,472 --> 01:43:25,581 In England and in computer labs in California, 1614 01:43:25,681 --> 01:43:30,030 George Lucas was quietly laboring on the ultimate B-movie. 1615 01:43:31,512 --> 01:43:36,057 So from American Graffiti, George got to make a $13 million movie, 1616 01:43:36,157 --> 01:43:40,059 which was a huge budget in those days, it was giant. 1617 01:43:40,159 --> 01:43:44,857 He called and he said, "You know, I don't think it's gonna work at Fox." 1618 01:43:44,957 --> 01:43:46,900 And I said, "What do you mean?" 1619 01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:51,378 He said, "They're not going to give me the rights to any sequels." 1620 01:43:51,478 --> 01:43:56,901 I said, "George, sequels? You're lucky to get $13 million for this movie!" 1621 01:43:57,001 --> 01:44:00,659 He said, "No, I wanna control it, I want the sequels." 1622 01:44:00,759 --> 01:44:06,660 And he held firm and he ended up owning the rights to Star Wars. 1623 01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:12,580 He said, "I'm gonna make more money by making science fiction toys, 1624 01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:15,056 "I'm gonna make more money than The Godfather 1625 01:44:15,156 --> 01:44:17,217 "by making science fiction toys." 1626 01:44:17,317 --> 01:44:21,900 He hated directing, George did, because he got sick all the time, 1627 01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:25,297 he had diabetes and he just wasn't very sturdy 1628 01:44:25,397 --> 01:44:27,340 and he got sick. 1629 01:44:27,440 --> 01:44:32,180 And he always would talk and he'd say, "Porno. That's the answer. 1630 01:44:32,280 --> 01:44:34,337 "It's a warm room. 1631 01:44:34,437 --> 01:44:38,216 "If you don't get the right location you go get another, 1632 01:44:38,316 --> 01:44:42,538 "people don't care what room, as long as it's a pretty nice room." 1633 01:44:42,638 --> 01:44:46,060 So if he hadn't done Star Wars or American Graffiti, 1634 01:44:46,160 --> 01:44:50,820 he would probably own this huge porno network today. 1635 01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:53,217 He'd probably be even richer than he is. 1636 01:44:53,317 --> 01:44:55,776 At the first rough cut screening of Star Wars, 1637 01:44:55,876 --> 01:45:00,460 the directorial division of opinion would foretell the future of movies. 1638 01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:07,461 George asked his friends to see a rough cut of Star Wars. 1639 01:45:07,561 --> 01:45:11,299 It was hard to watch because it was... 1640 01:45:11,399 --> 01:45:14,580 The special effects, nothing was there yet. 1641 01:45:14,680 --> 01:45:20,261 What we saw was very crude World War II footage where the effects would be. 1642 01:45:20,361 --> 01:45:24,658 And even for experienced people, it takes a lot to look at a rough cut. 1643 01:45:24,758 --> 01:45:28,579 Brian De Palma was particularly sarcastic. 1644 01:45:28,679 --> 01:45:33,978 "What's this crap about the Force? When did the Force...?" You know. 1645 01:45:34,078 --> 01:45:37,181 But George listened and he took it good-naturedly 1646 01:45:37,281 --> 01:45:40,258 and the only one who was optimistic was Spielberg. 1647 01:45:40,358 --> 01:45:44,019 He said, "I think it's great, it's gonna make $100 million." 1648 01:45:44,119 --> 01:45:47,946 We thought, "Steve's just Steve," you know. Energetic kid. 1649 01:45:49,352 --> 01:45:53,099 Once he started screening it, it was like American Graffiti, 1650 01:45:53,199 --> 01:45:55,497 the audiences just went nuts. 1651 01:45:55,597 --> 01:45:59,781 Hollywood, California. August 1977. 1652 01:45:59,881 --> 01:46:02,944 A triumphant moment in screen history. 1653 01:46:04,032 --> 01:46:06,539 To the world-famous Chinese Theatre 1654 01:46:06,639 --> 01:46:11,945 come the stars of the biggest box-office success in motion picture history. 1655 01:46:13,032 --> 01:46:16,098 The financial success of Star Wars 1656 01:46:16,198 --> 01:46:19,620 would, with The Exorcist, Jaws and Close Encounters 1657 01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:23,177 essentially end the epoch of the director-driven film 1658 01:46:23,277 --> 01:46:25,699 and begin the era of the big-budget B-movie 1659 01:46:25,799 --> 01:46:28,139 where studios could open a film everywhere 1660 01:46:28,239 --> 01:46:31,660 with nationwide ad campaigns and fast payoffs. 1661 01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:35,057 It almost didn't matter if the film was good or not, 1662 01:46:35,157 --> 01:46:37,100 as long as it made a great trail. 1663 01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:40,657 Thousands gather to see the metallic megastars 1664 01:46:40,757 --> 01:46:43,738 place their footprints in cement in the courtyard. 1665 01:46:43,838 --> 01:46:45,780 As the two heroes of Star Wars 1666 01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:50,258 make their impressions on the ground reserved for legends, 1667 01:46:50,358 --> 01:46:53,577 the world resounds the fact that Star Wars 1668 01:46:53,677 --> 01:46:57,100 has become a full-fledged social phenomenon. 1669 01:46:57,200 --> 01:47:00,344 It has become more than just a movie. 1670 01:47:02,952 --> 01:47:06,656 Star Wars was the ultimate triumph of the B-movie. 1671 01:47:06,756 --> 01:47:10,297 It had taken a decade for the studios to regain their dominance 1672 01:47:10,397 --> 01:47:15,177 and find their new audience with effects-driven sci-fi horror films, 1673 01:47:15,277 --> 01:47:18,141 ironic superheroes and sequels. 1674 01:47:18,241 --> 01:47:20,189 Endless sequels. 1675 01:47:21,872 --> 01:47:25,576 The era of the director - brief era of the director - 1676 01:47:25,676 --> 01:47:31,617 came to a conclusion, really, by the end of the '70s, if not sooner. 1677 01:47:31,717 --> 01:47:33,777 It was sort of petering out. 1678 01:47:33,877 --> 01:47:37,821 They started feeding off the mechanism of what was making money, 1679 01:47:37,921 --> 01:47:41,696 so that they wouldn't be in the position of having film makers walking in 1680 01:47:41,796 --> 01:47:45,901 and saying, "You don't know what makes money, I do, I'll make the movie." 1681 01:47:46,001 --> 01:47:50,058 So finally, they were able to say, "Yes, we do know what makes money 1682 01:47:50,158 --> 01:47:51,904 "and you will make it for us." 1683 01:47:52,752 --> 01:47:57,862 I mean, the system allowed these artists to create 1684 01:47:57,962 --> 01:48:03,258 and then, when it became... essentially, conglomerates took over the studios, 1685 01:48:03,358 --> 01:48:05,300 everything changed. 1686 01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:09,704 I think the thing that killed, for me, movies, more than anything, 1687 01:48:10,832 --> 01:48:14,951 was the event of Entertainment Tonight, 1688 01:48:16,752 --> 01:48:20,781 when they started doing box-office scores 1689 01:48:20,881 --> 01:48:22,829 like football scores. 1690 01:48:23,832 --> 01:48:27,978 And I remember the first weekend they did it, or the first Monday - 1691 01:48:28,078 --> 01:48:30,622 this film was first and this film was second - 1692 01:48:30,722 --> 01:48:34,068 and I looked at that screen and I said, "We're over." 1693 01:48:35,152 --> 01:48:37,702 In 1979, director Marty Scorsese, 1694 01:48:37,802 --> 01:48:40,821 exhausted and convinced his career was over, 1695 01:48:40,921 --> 01:48:42,860 decided to leave Hollywood. 1696 01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:45,257 But, urged on by Robert De Niro, 1697 01:48:45,357 --> 01:48:49,585 Scorsese summoned up one last primal scream of defiance. 1698 01:48:52,112 --> 01:48:56,678 ..clean shots. How he can survive 'em, nobody knows. 1699 01:48:56,778 --> 01:48:59,502 No man can endure this pummeling. 1700 01:48:59,602 --> 01:49:01,577 The fight is stopped. 1701 01:49:01,677 --> 01:49:04,277 He signals... 1702 01:49:04,439 --> 01:49:07,258 Row after row after row from the ring 1703 01:49:07,358 --> 01:49:11,056 the crowd is standing and cheering as he just made it. 1704 01:49:11,156 --> 01:49:14,777 Takes La Motta into a desperate defeat... 1705 01:49:14,877 --> 01:49:17,182 Hey, Ray. Hey, Ray. 1706 01:49:18,232 --> 01:49:20,030 Hey, Ray. 1707 01:49:21,712 --> 01:49:24,059 Never went down, Ray. 1708 01:49:24,159 --> 01:49:26,268 You never got me down, Ray. 1709 01:49:26,872 --> 01:49:30,497 You hear me? Never got me down. 1710 01:49:30,597 --> 01:49:32,549 Yeah. See? 1711 01:49:37,032 --> 01:49:41,817 ~ I have a mansion, forget the price ~ 1712 01:49:41,917 --> 01:49:45,507 ~ Ain't never been there, they tell me it's nice ~ 1713 01:49:46,792 --> 01:49:50,626 ~ I live in hotels, tear out the walls ~ 1714 01:49:51,592 --> 01:49:53,657 ~ I have accountants ~ 1715 01:49:53,757 --> 01:49:55,709 ~ Pay for it all ~ 1716 01:49:56,432 --> 01:50:00,187 ~ They say I'm crazy but I have a good time ~ 1717 01:50:05,232 --> 01:50:09,581 ~I'm lookin' for clues at he scene of the crime ~ 1718 01:50:09,681 --> 01:50:14,701 ~ Life's been good to me so far ~ 1719 01:50:18,032 --> 01:50:21,866 ~ My Maserati does 185 ~ 1720 01:50:22,872 --> 01:50:26,661 ~ I lost my license, now I don't drive ~ 1721 01:50:27,712 --> 01:50:31,421 ~ I have a limo, ride in the back ~ 1722 01:50:32,472 --> 01:50:34,058 ~ I lock the doors ~ 1723 01:50:34,158 --> 01:50:36,189 ~ In case of attack ~ 1724 01:50:37,232 --> 01:50:40,941 ~ I'm makin' records, my fans, they can't wait ~ 1725 01:50:41,992 --> 01:50:45,428 ~ They write me letters, tell me I'm great ~ 1726 01:50:45,992 --> 01:50:50,748 ~ So I got me an office, gold records on the wall ~ 1727 01:50:51,632 --> 01:50:55,341 ~ Just leave a message, maybe I'll call ~ 1728 01:50:56,192 --> 01:51:00,026 ~ Lucky I'm sane after all I've been through ~ 1729 01:51:03,272 --> 01:51:05,502 ~ He's cool ~ 1730 01:51:06,032 --> 01:51:09,417 ~ I can't complain, but sometimes I still do ~ 1731 01:51:09,517 --> 01:51:15,064 ~ Life's been good to me so far ~ 157773

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