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Weighing�in
at�274�pounds...
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The�Sandman!
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[narrator]
In�the�1990s,
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00:00:18,310 --> 00:00:20,639
Extreme�Championship
Wrestling�was�meaner,
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00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,540
more�aggressive,�and
bloodier�than�anything
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00:00:23,580 --> 00:00:26,250
audiences
had�seen�before,
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00:00:26,251 --> 00:00:29,249
as�the�demands�of�the
company's�rabid�fanbase�led�to
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00:00:29,250 --> 00:00:32,590
a�dangerous�escalation
of�in-ring�violence.
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What�is�this?
These�guys�are�crazy.
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It�felt�so�personal.
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Daddy,�you're�drunk.
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And�I�think�that's�why�the
fans�were�so�involved�with�it.
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People�didn't�know�if
it�was�scripted�or�not.
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And�the�more�popular�it�got,
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the�more�they�had�to
top�the�last�show.
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An�escalation�embodied
by�The�Sandman.
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The�Sandman!
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You�know,�got�his�jeans�on,
his�t-shirt�on,
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his�kendo�stick,�smoking�a
cigarette,�drinking�a�beer.
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Fan's�like,�"I�could
be�this�guy."
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You�might�think�it�is,
because�all�you�see�is
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a�beer�drinking,�cigarette
smoking,�scumbag.
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00:01:04,290 --> 00:01:07,760
Sandman's�character�was�as
organic�as�it�could�get.
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God,�I�love�ECW.
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There's�not�a�whole�lot�of
difference�between
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James�Fullington
and�The�Sandman.
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What�can�I�do�that
somebody�hasn't�done?
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I�can�make�myself�bleed
before�I�get�into�the�ring?
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Nobody�else
has�done�that.
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Though�a�hardcore�icon
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countless�injuries�and�a
lawless�locker�room
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create�no�shortage�of
controversies,
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leaving�The�Sandman
with�a�brutal�and
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complicated�legacy.
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Somebody�has�got�to
stop�The�Sandman.
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Why�fuck�with�what's
going�on�in�the�back?
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As�soon�as�the�coke�ends,
or�the�pot�ends,
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there�was,�you�know,
painkillers.
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We�all�did�alcohol,
drugs,�pills�that
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you�could
possibly�think�of.
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I�don't�know�if�he�remembers
even�half�of�the�stuff
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that�has�ever�happened.
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I�told�my�family,�said,�"Tell
them�the�fucking�worst.
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People�need�to�know�this."
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[Chanting]
ECW!�ECW!
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He�should've�been
dead�a�long�time�ago.
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[Bell�chiming�continues]
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Yeah...
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Alright,�so�my
music's�playing.
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Maybe�some�days
it's�30�seconds,
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some�days�it's�a
minute�and�a�half...
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but�at�the�one�point,
it's�like,�alright,
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everybody�should�be�clapping
your�hands�at�this�point.
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So�when�I�come�in,
I�don't�want
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everybody�to�see�me
at�one�time.
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I�want,�like,�some�people�to
see�me�and�they'll�be�like,
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"Oh,�shit,
he's�over�there"!
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And�then�it�works�its
way�around�the�building,
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and�it�might�take�ten,
fifteen�seconds�'til
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everybody�actually�figures
out�you're�over�here.
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[Cheering]
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And�then�at�that
point�I�got�'em
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and�it's�time
to�pop�a�beer.
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Back�in�the�day,�dude,
I�would�drink,�like,
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six�beers�on�the
way�to�the�ring.
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I'd�smash�'em
against�my�head.
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I'd�be�bloody�before�I
even�get�into�the�ring.
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I�mean,�that's
his�personality.
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He's�drinking�beer,
spitting�it�out.
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He's�pouring�beer
down�your�throat.
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[Cheering]
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You�feel�like�you're
part�of�it,�and�you�are.
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If�you�got�a
'Sandman'�shirt�on,
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you're�definitely�getting�a
beer�poured�down�your�throat.
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You�know�what
I'm�saying?
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It's�the�best�part
of�the�show...
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unless�you're�wrestling.
If�you're�wrestling�it�sucks
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'cause�you�gotta�wait�for
him�to�get�to�the�ring.
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But�if�you're�watching,
it's�great.
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You�know,�'cause�you�give
the�fans�what�they�want.
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He's�one�of�them,
you�know?
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It's�a�great�entrance.
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With�those�pants,�and
put�the�durag�on,
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it's�like�the�equivalent�of
like�getting�up�and�putting�a
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hat�on�and,�you�know,�going
and�doing�your�errands.
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Except�this�guy�was�putting
this�shit�on�and�going�out
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and�entertaining�hundreds
of�thousands�of�people.
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At�this�point�I'm�having�as
much�fun�as�they're�having,
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you�know�what�I�mean,
because...
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this�is
what�I�want�to�do.
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This�is�what,�what�I�worked
my�whole�life�to�be�in�this
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fucking�moment�right,�right�now,
you�know�what�I�mean?
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I�want�that�moment�to
last�forever,�you�know?
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I�want�to�live
in�that�moment.
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It's�a�party.�You�know,
his�entrance�is�a�party.
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And,�you�know,�once
that's�over,�then,�you�know,
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you�gotta�see�him�wrestle.
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Oh!
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Oh�my�God!
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00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,740
Yo,�I'm�The�Sandman.
What�the�fuck�up?
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Yeah,�dude.
My�parents�call�me�Hak,
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00:04:11,310 --> 00:04:12,910
my�kids�call�me�Hak,
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my�granddaughter
calls�me�Poppy�Hak.
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I've�had�that�name�since
I�was�five�years�old,
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my�older�brother
gave�it�to�me.
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Ah,�dude,�it�was�like
Saturday�afternoon.
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I�watched�WW...WF�at
one�o'clock�on�Saturdays.
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Down�goes�Conrad!
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Dude,�that's�all�I
ever�wanted�to�be
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was�a�professional�wrestler.
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And�the�bloodied�Sandman
thrown�through�that�table.
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I�was�all�coked�up
and�I�was�drunk�and...
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I�burglarize�the�house,�which
is�basically�the�only,�like,
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real�like,�"crime"�crime
that�I�ever�did.
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And�my�first�day�in�jail,�I
punched�a�guard�in�the�face.
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I�got�in�a�fight�with�a
guy�over�the�television.
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I�was�watching�something,
and�he�went�to�change�it
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and�then�we�got�in�a�fight.
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Two�guards�were,
had�to�break�it�up.
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He�ducked,�I�punched
a�guard�in�the�face.
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Broke�his�glasses.
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I�was�lucky�I�didn't�get
charged�with�assault
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00:05:09,430 --> 00:05:10,999
on�a�guard.�That�could�have
been�a�couple�of�years,
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you�know�what�I�mean?
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But�I�ended�up�literally
going�to�the�hole
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for�six�months.
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I'm�glad�it�happened
because,�you�know,
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it's�throwing�a
rock�in�a�pond.
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If�that�ripple's�not�there,
maybe�this�ripple's�not�here.
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It's�just�the�stupid�shit
I�walk�into�in�my�life.
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?
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I�get�out�of�jail,
it's�like�'84.
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And�like,�this�new
club�opens�up.
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[Chattering]
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And�dude,�the�place
holds�2,000�people.
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It's�like�five�storeys�high.
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It's�like�the
greatest�thing�ever.
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So,�Thursday�nights�was�ten
bucks�all�you�could�drink.
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So�I'm�out�there,
I'm�on�the�dance�floor.
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Some�blonde�comes�up�and
starts�dancing�with�me,
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grabs�me�by�my�hand,
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and�started�walking�me
across�dance�floor.
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I'm�like,�"Alright.
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Where�am�I�gonna�go�have
sex�with�this�chick?
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Where�is-"�'Cause�that's
exactly�what�I'm�thinking.
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We�end�up�going
up�these�stairs.
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We're�in�this�little�frickin'
office,�and�I'm�like,
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00:06:04,550 --> 00:06:06,849
"Well,�how�am�I�gonna�do
this�in�this�little�office"?
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She�goes,
"Take�your�shirt�off."
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00:06:08,590 --> 00:06:09,819
I'm�thinking�how�am�I
gonna�screw�her?
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She�goes,�"Listen,
I'm�a�producer-director
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for�the�Chippendales.
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I�want�you�to�be�a
Chippendales."
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I�was�one�of�those
guys�who�wore�the
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black�pants,�tight�pants,
the�cuffs�and�the�collar,
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and�I�just�entertain
the�women.
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Because�I�don't�leave�the
club�until�two�o'clock
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in�the�morning,�you�know.
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You're�snorting�coke�with
the�boys�who's�down
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in�the�locker�room,�because
that's�just�what�you�did
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back�in�them�days.
You�know�what�I�mean?
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And�then�I�go�out�to
the�after-hours�club,
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and�then�I�go�to�the�club
that�opened�up�at�6�AM.
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It's�just�crazy,�man.
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And�that�was�my�job�for
the�next�year�or�so,
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until�I�got�fired
for�soliciting.
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Soliciting.
And�I�got...
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because�they�weren't
paying�a�lot�of�money.
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I�had�like�four�guys
in�on�it�with�me.
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So,�it�was�100�bucks
to�do�us,
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there�was�the�Alpine�Inn�down
the�street,�that�was�42.50.
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So�of�course,�100�for�us,
42.50�for�the�Alpine�Inn
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for�however�long�it�took.
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And�that�lasted�for�about�six
months,�until...�I�don't�know,
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00:07:00,110 --> 00:07:02,309
just�one�day�there's�a
couple�of�state�troopers,
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they're�like,�"Listen,�we
could�file�some�charges,
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00:07:04,650 --> 00:07:06,820
or�you�could�quit
and�tell�us�who,
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who�your�boys�are."
I�said,
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00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:09,779
"Well,�I'm�not�telling
you�who�my�boys�are.
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That's�your�job�to
figure�that�out.
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But,�I'll�quit."
So�I�was�done.
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He�was�not�the�type�that�I
would've�saw�myself
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going�for,�really.
He�was�very...
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I�don't�know�if�you
want�to�say�flamboyant,
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00:07:21,830 --> 00:07:24,400
but�something
drew�me�to�him.
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And�believe�it�or�not,�that
night�we�sat�and�talked,
187
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and�he�was�just�like,
"I�think�I�could�love�you."
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-Hey,�I�work�quick.
-[Laughing]
189
00:07:34,281 --> 00:07:36,179
Dude,�that's�kinda
how�I've�been�with...
190
00:07:36,180 --> 00:07:39,080
it's�like�I�meet�'em
and�then,�like,�I'm�in.
191
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I�ended�up�actually,
a�few�months�later,
192
00:07:42,150 --> 00:07:43,920
finding�out�I
was�pregnant.
193
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And�he�said�he'd�like�to�get
married�before�the�child
194
00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,520
was�born�so�he�wasn't
born�out�of�wedlock.
195
00:07:50,590 --> 00:07:53,630
Miss�Peaches!
196
00:07:53,660 --> 00:07:55,660
[Cheering]
197
00:07:55,700 --> 00:07:58,840
My�name�is
Lori�Stolecki,�a.k.a.
198
00:07:58,870 --> 00:08:02,670
'Peaches'�from�ECW,
and�Sandman's�ex-wife.
199
00:08:02,700 --> 00:08:05,370
He�was�in�construction
at�the�time,
200
00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,340
and�Joel�Goodhart�opened
up�a�wrestling�school.
201
00:08:08,341 --> 00:08:10,679
I�had�to�go�check�it�out,
and�then�next�thing�you�know,
202
00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,849
dude,�like,�three�days�later,
I�gave�the�guy,�like,
203
00:08:12,850 --> 00:08:14,490
3,500�bucks.
204
00:08:14,491 --> 00:08:15,949
Three�months�later
I�was�in�the�ring.
205
00:08:15,950 --> 00:08:17,379
It's�not�gonna�be�pretty.
206
00:08:17,380 --> 00:08:19,289
There's�gonna�be�blood,
there's�gonna�be
207
00:08:19,290 --> 00:08:21,390
broken�bones,�and
it's�me�and�you.
208
00:08:21,460 --> 00:08:24,300
When�I�first�signed,
it�was�probably�1991.
209
00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:25,690
He�was�a�surfer.
210
00:08:25,691 --> 00:08:27,529
He�had�white�stuff�on�his
nose,�he�wore�a�wetsuit,
211
00:08:27,530 --> 00:08:28,959
and�he�carried�a�surfboard.
212
00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,630
From�South�Beach,
California...
213
00:08:31,670 --> 00:08:34,410
this�is�The�Sandman!
214
00:08:34,470 --> 00:08:35,640
My�name's�Sabu.
215
00:08:35,641 --> 00:08:36,999
I've�been�wrestling
over�30�years,
216
00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,700
and�I�participated�in�ECW.
217
00:08:39,740 --> 00:08:41,480
Oh�my�God!
218
00:08:41,510 --> 00:08:42,680
I,�I�remember�him.
219
00:08:42,681 --> 00:08:44,749
And�he�came�out�with
Peaches,�his�wife.
220
00:08:44,750 --> 00:08:47,409
I�met�up�with�the�promoter,
and�he�goes,�"I�got�your�name.
221
00:08:47,410 --> 00:08:48,819
You're�gonna�be
'Mr.�Sandman'."
222
00:08:48,820 --> 00:08:49,919
And�he�looks�at�my�wife,
then�he�goes,
223
00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:51,049
"You're�gonna�be�'Peaches'."
224
00:08:51,050 --> 00:08:53,720
Peaches!
225
00:08:53,750 --> 00:08:56,420
He�used�to�wear�this
god�awful�wetsuit
226
00:08:56,490 --> 00:08:59,090
that�smelled�horrible.
227
00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,660
I'm�Kelly,�and�The
Sandman�is�my�dad.
228
00:09:02,661 --> 00:09:05,099
And�he�would�come�out
with�my�mom,�Miss�Peaches,
229
00:09:05,100 --> 00:09:07,429
and�he�would�come�out�with
his�stupid�surfboard.
230
00:09:07,430 --> 00:09:09,370
That�was�his�very
first�gimmick.
231
00:09:09,371 --> 00:09:11,239
You�know,�it�started
out�doing,�like,
232
00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,240
little�gymnasiums,�and,
like,�car�dealerships...
233
00:09:14,270 --> 00:09:17,940
but�it�was,�like,�just�a
fresh�new�company.
234
00:09:17,941 --> 00:09:19,709
It�was,�like,
everybody�was�just
235
00:09:19,710 --> 00:09:21,379
getting�their�bearings,
you�know?
236
00:09:21,380 --> 00:09:22,750
We're�feeling�it�out.
237
00:09:22,780 --> 00:09:24,950
But,�he�was
consistent�with�it.
238
00:09:25,020 --> 00:09:26,720
It�was�like�his�life's�dream.
239
00:09:26,721 --> 00:09:29,419
It's�my�pleasure�being
here�with�all�you�people,
240
00:09:29,420 --> 00:09:32,259
'cause�if�it�wasn't�for�you,
I�wouldn't�have�this�belt!
241
00:09:32,260 --> 00:09:33,460
Irish�Whip!
242
00:09:33,530 --> 00:09:36,300
The�gimmick�was�bad,
his�ability�was�not.
243
00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,030
I�mean,�he's�big,
he�was�good�looking,
244
00:09:39,070 --> 00:09:40,870
very�bright,�very�athletic.
245
00:09:40,900 --> 00:09:41,950
Oh!
246
00:09:41,951 --> 00:09:43,199
My�name�is�Tod�Gordon.
247
00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:44,269
I'm�the�creator�and
the�founder�of
248
00:09:44,270 --> 00:09:46,039
Extreme�Championship
Wrestling.
249
00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,309
Oh,�thank�heaven.�Here's�our
commissioner,�here's�Tod.
250
00:09:48,310 --> 00:09:50,409
Sandman�and�I�have�been�best
friends�since�we�first�met
251
00:09:50,410 --> 00:09:53,060
30�years�ago,�when�I
started�my�own�company,
252
00:09:53,061 --> 00:09:54,649
which�was�Eastern
Championship�Wrestling
253
00:09:54,650 --> 00:09:55,879
at�the�time,
which�became
254
00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:57,479
Extreme�Championship
Wrestling.
255
00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,320
He�was�on�my�first
grouping�of�people�to�use.
256
00:10:00,321 --> 00:10:02,619
I've�had�that�belt,
I've�been�there�before,
257
00:10:02,620 --> 00:10:04,420
and�I'll�be�there�again.
258
00:10:04,460 --> 00:10:06,830
Sandman�now�on�top�of�thing.
259
00:10:06,831 --> 00:10:09,429
Philadelphia's�Eastern
Championship�Wrestling
260
00:10:09,430 --> 00:10:11,630
was�a�struggling
indie�promotion,
261
00:10:11,670 --> 00:10:14,070
until�the�arrival�of
Paul�Heyman,
262
00:10:14,100 --> 00:10:17,140
who�transforms
the�company�into
263
00:10:17,170 --> 00:10:19,510
Extreme�Championship
Wrestling,
264
00:10:22,340 --> 00:10:24,010
Look�at�him!
Fuck�him!
265
00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,350
Paul�Heyman�was�the
right�guy�because
266
00:10:26,410 --> 00:10:28,410
he�is�great�mind
for�the�business.
267
00:10:28,450 --> 00:10:31,850
How�to�be�a�rule
breaker�101.
268
00:10:31,851 --> 00:10:33,619
Dude,�he�is�the
greatest�mind�ever�in,
269
00:10:33,620 --> 00:10:35,759
in�the�history�of
professional�wrestling.
270
00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,960
Creatively,�nobody�could
touch�Paul�Heyman�and
271
00:10:38,990 --> 00:10:41,830
come�anywhere
close�to�that�dude.
272
00:10:41,860 --> 00:10:45,110
And�I�would�not�be�sitting
here�right�now�if�it�wasn't
273
00:10:45,130 --> 00:10:48,930
for�Paul�Heyman�giving�me
the�ball�and�letting�me�run.
274
00:10:48,970 --> 00:10:50,610
First�night,
I�go�in�there,
275
00:10:50,611 --> 00:10:52,639
fucking�he�sees�me
with�the�surfboard.
276
00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,980
He�goes,�"That's�getting�broken
over�your�head�tonight."
277
00:10:55,981 --> 00:10:57,609
And�then�the�next
thing�you�know,
278
00:10:57,610 --> 00:10:59,450
I�forgot�my�wrestling�boots.
279
00:10:59,451 --> 00:11:02,279
I'm�like,�"Paul,�sorry�dude,
I�forgot�my�wrestling�boots."
280
00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,480
He�goes,�"I�don't�give
a�fuck."�And�I'm�like...
281
00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,160
I�don't�have�to�wear
wrestling�shoes�no�more.
282
00:11:09,190 --> 00:11:13,800
Dude,�it�was�a�fucking�light
bulb�going�off�in�my�head.
283
00:11:13,830 --> 00:11:17,130
When�Paul�Heyman�says,
"I�don't�give�a�fuck�if
284
00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,230
you're�wearing�wrestling
boots."�I'm�like,�boom,
285
00:11:20,231 --> 00:11:23,339
I'm�not�even�gonna�change.
I'm�gonna�wear�the�clothes...
286
00:11:23,340 --> 00:11:26,540
I'm�gonna,�I'm�gonna�show
up�to�the�arena,�and�dude,
287
00:11:26,570 --> 00:11:28,240
I'm�gonna�be�me.
288
00:11:28,310 --> 00:11:31,180
I'm�just�gonna�fucking
be�me�out�there.
289
00:11:31,181 --> 00:11:32,379
And�it�got�to�that-�It�was
at�that�point�I'm�like,
290
00:11:32,380 --> 00:11:33,979
you're�never
gonna�be�able�to
291
00:11:33,980 --> 00:11:35,579
walk�through
this�curtain�again.
292
00:11:35,580 --> 00:11:38,219
Like,�you,�you�literally
cannot�enter�the�ring
293
00:11:38,220 --> 00:11:41,060
like�a�normal
wrestler�ever�again,
294
00:11:41,090 --> 00:11:43,380
because�this�is�what's
expected�of�you.
295
00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,670
He�will�be�more�hardcore�than
the�next�Traci�Lords�video.
296
00:11:54,700 --> 00:11:56,770
And�as�for�me,
Paul�E.�Dangerously,
297
00:11:56,771 --> 00:11:58,769
haven't�had�a
shave�in�a�couple�of�weeks
298
00:11:58,770 --> 00:12:03,070
and�don't�look�like�I
really�care�anymore!
299
00:12:03,110 --> 00:12:05,250
Upon�Paul�Heyman's�arrival,
300
00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,680
The�Sandman�drops
his�surfer�look,
301
00:12:07,710 --> 00:12:10,610
changing�with�the�times
to�re-invent�himself
302
00:12:10,680 --> 00:12:12,550
with�a�whole�new�persona.
303
00:12:12,551 --> 00:12:14,219
I�was�always
trying�to�figure,
304
00:12:14,220 --> 00:12:16,120
what�hasn't
somebody�done?
305
00:12:16,190 --> 00:12:19,230
Well,�the�good�time's�over,
here�comes�The�Sandman.
306
00:12:19,231 --> 00:12:21,629
I'm�the�guy�that's�in�the�bar,
loses�a�game�of�pool,
307
00:12:21,630 --> 00:12:23,729
and�wants�to�get
into�a�fight�with�ya.
308
00:12:23,730 --> 00:12:25,730
That�was�me�in
my�life,�dude.
309
00:12:25,731 --> 00:12:28,139
That�was�my�regular
Friday�and�Saturday�night.
310
00:12:28,140 --> 00:12:29,969
You�know�what�I�mean?
Like,�I�was�a�gimmick...
311
00:12:29,970 --> 00:12:33,570
by,�by�myself,
born�as�a�gimmick.
312
00:12:33,571 --> 00:12:35,579
We�got�to�be�ourselves�in
the�dressing�room�and
313
00:12:35,580 --> 00:12:36,980
ourselves�in�the�ring.
314
00:12:36,981 --> 00:12:38,409
The�beauty�of
Paul's�intelligence,
315
00:12:38,410 --> 00:12:40,580
is�he�makes�you
figure�it�out.
316
00:12:40,610 --> 00:12:44,110
By�trial�and�error,�that's
how�he�became�The�Sandman.
317
00:12:44,150 --> 00:12:45,480
Hey,�daddy.
318
00:12:45,550 --> 00:12:47,990
My�name�is
Bill�'Fonzie'�Alfonso,
319
00:12:48,050 --> 00:12:52,090
and�I�am�a�40�year
plus�veteran�of
320
00:12:52,130 --> 00:12:53,400
sports�entertainment.
321
00:12:53,430 --> 00:12:55,970
This�is�a�winner!
He's�a�winner!
322
00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,800
Fuck�you,�asshole!
323
00:12:57,801 --> 00:13:00,299
He�would�put�things�together
in�his�head�that
324
00:13:00,300 --> 00:13:03,670
he�thought�would�work�in
ECW,�and�they�did.
325
00:13:03,740 --> 00:13:05,680
Life's�a�bitch...
326
00:13:07,770 --> 00:13:09,940
and�then�you�marry�one.
327
00:13:09,980 --> 00:13:11,980
He's�a�typical�Philly�guy.
328
00:13:11,981 --> 00:13:14,109
Like,�you�go�to�a�bar,
you�get�in�a�brawl,
329
00:13:14,110 --> 00:13:15,519
you�know,
here's�the�dude.
330
00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:17,360
He�was�a�relatable
character.
331
00:13:17,420 --> 00:13:21,460
People�could�kind�of�identify
with�that�South�Philly�vibe.
332
00:13:21,461 --> 00:13:24,519
He�was�your�buddy�who�would
come�off�the�couch�and�just
333
00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,160
step�into�the�ring,�and�swing
a�cane�and�drink�a�beer.
334
00:13:28,161 --> 00:13:30,259
My�name�is�Raven,
professional�wrestling
335
00:13:30,260 --> 00:13:33,100
superstar,�but�you
already�know�that.
336
00:13:33,130 --> 00:13:35,270
For�the�first�time�ever,
337
00:13:35,300 --> 00:13:39,640
Raven�goes�one�on�one
with�The�Sandman.
338
00:13:39,641 --> 00:13:42,479
You�know,�every�fan�says,
"Oh,�I�would�get�in�the�ring."
339
00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,020
Sandman�with�the
guillotine�leg�drop.
340
00:13:45,021 --> 00:13:47,149
But�he's�the�guy�that
actually�goes�and�does�it.
341
00:13:47,150 --> 00:13:49,449
Part�of�being�a�good�worker
is�knowing�how�to�get�your
342
00:13:49,450 --> 00:13:51,989
character�over�and�how�to
keep�the�character�over.
343
00:13:51,990 --> 00:13:55,560
And�he's�done�that�for,
you�know,�35�years�now.
344
00:13:55,791 --> 00:14:01,129
Well,�yeah!�And�like,
coming�through�the�crowd.
345
00:14:01,130 --> 00:14:03,630
I�think�I�came�through
the�crowd�because,
346
00:14:03,631 --> 00:14:05,829
me�and�Missy�were�coming
through�the�crowd.
347
00:14:05,830 --> 00:14:11,000
[Laughing]�Dude.
Me�and�Missy.
348
00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:16,180
[Laughing]�We're�in
fucking�Queens,
349
00:14:16,210 --> 00:14:18,810
and�there�is
this�strip�club.
350
00:14:18,811 --> 00:14:21,679
Me�and�Missy�are�over�in�the
strip�club�and�my�music's
351
00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:23,849
playing,�it's�already
played�once�this�whole�time.
352
00:14:23,850 --> 00:14:26,549
So,�I�wasn't�going,�fucking
up�through�the�back,
353
00:14:26,550 --> 00:14:27,720
into�in�there.
354
00:14:27,750 --> 00:14:30,350
I�just�went�through
the�front�fucking�door.
355
00:14:30,390 --> 00:14:32,260
Boom!�Light�bulb.
356
00:14:32,261 --> 00:14:34,329
Nobody's�come�through
the�crowd�before.
357
00:14:34,330 --> 00:14:36,759
Just�drinking�his�beer,
walking�through�the�audience.
358
00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,399
Meanwhile,�he's�drunk�off
his�ass�by�then,�geez.
359
00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,599
Then�he's�drinking�five
on�the�way�to�the�ring.
360
00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,870
We�trusted�him�because
361
00:14:43,900 --> 00:14:46,570
we�knew�he�was
able�to�do�it.
362
00:14:46,610 --> 00:14:49,580
My�name�is�RVD.
That�stands�for...
363
00:14:49,610 --> 00:14:52,680
Rob!�Van!�Dam!
364
00:14:52,710 --> 00:14:55,080
[Cheering]
365
00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,360
You�know,�he�proved�himself
that�he�was�able�to
366
00:14:58,390 --> 00:15:00,390
wrestle�when
he�was�drunk.
367
00:15:00,391 --> 00:15:01,959
Watching�him,�I�would�get
nervous�with�his
368
00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,519
freaking�ass,�climbing�up�on
the�top�rope�and�I'm�like,
369
00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,790
"Is�he�really�gonna
attempt�this
370
00:15:06,860 --> 00:15:08,600
aerial�maneuver
right�now"?
371
00:15:08,630 --> 00:15:10,700
Oh!
372
00:15:10,730 --> 00:15:12,570
I�know�I�can
trust�him�drunk.
373
00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,100
Anybody�drunk?�No.
374
00:15:14,130 --> 00:15:16,270
Sandman,�yes.
Anybody�else?
375
00:15:16,271 --> 00:15:18,469
I�wouldn't�allow�it�either.
But�Sandman...
376
00:15:18,470 --> 00:15:19,870
you're�not�drunk?
377
00:15:19,910 --> 00:15:21,840
I'm�not�wrestling�you.
[Laughing]
378
00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:25,610
So,�it's�a�Sunday.
379
00:15:25,611 --> 00:15:26,949
Paul's�like,
"Let's�go�outside."
380
00:15:26,950 --> 00:15:28,879
And�we're�standing�next
to�this�fucking�tree.
381
00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:30,949
Paul�goes,�"You�know
that�kid�overseas�that
382
00:15:30,950 --> 00:15:33,090
got�caught�spray
painting�the�car"?
383
00:15:33,091 --> 00:15:34,789
I'm�like,�"Yeah,�kid,
Michael�Fay."�He�goes,
384
00:15:34,790 --> 00:15:36,489
"Good,�you�know�what
I'm�talking�about."
385
00:15:36,490 --> 00:15:39,129
Singapore�had�sentenced�an
18�year�old�American
386
00:15:39,130 --> 00:15:41,500
to�six�strokes�with
a�bamboo�cane.
387
00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:42,900
And�I�said,�"Yeah."
388
00:15:42,901 --> 00:15:44,499
Dude,�you�ever�see�that
fucking�cane�that�they�use?
389
00:15:44,500 --> 00:15:46,629
Every�shot�they�hit�you
with�it�makes�you�bleed.
390
00:15:46,630 --> 00:15:48,999
He�goes,�"You're�gonna�start
carrying�a�Singapore�cane
391
00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,239
to�the�ring."�I'm�like,�"Paul,
okay,�what�am�I�gonna�use"?
392
00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,610
He�goes...
393
00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,980
rips�a�branch�off
the�fucking�tree,
394
00:15:56,981 --> 00:15:59,249
rips�all�the�little�other
branches�off�it,�says,
395
00:15:59,250 --> 00:16:00,649
"Get�some�tape,
wrap�it�around�there.
396
00:16:00,650 --> 00:16:02,149
That's�gonna�be
your�Singapore�cane.
397
00:16:02,150 --> 00:16:03,749
I�want�you�to�cut
a�promo�with�it."
398
00:16:03,750 --> 00:16:07,190
The�first�ever
Singapore�Caning�Match.
399
00:16:07,250 --> 00:16:12,260
May�14th
Saturday�night�ECW!
400
00:16:12,290 --> 00:16:16,260
And�now�it's�The�Sandman
caning�Iron�Man�Tommy�Cairo.
401
00:16:16,300 --> 00:16:18,600
-[Smacking]
-Did�you�hear�that?
402
00:16:18,630 --> 00:16:21,880
And�then�the,�the�angle�with
Dreamer,�just.�[Whistling]
403
00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,610
It�went�to�ten�lashes.
404
00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,110
I�can't�look!
405
00:16:26,140 --> 00:16:27,640
Ah!
406
00:16:27,641 --> 00:16:29,379
It�skyrocketed�both
of�our�careers.
407
00:16:29,380 --> 00:16:32,149
He�got�his�ass�kicked,
but�he�took�it�like�a�man.
408
00:16:32,150 --> 00:16:33,850
And�Philly�loves�that.
409
00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,550
Thank�you,�sir.
May�I�have�another!
410
00:16:37,551 --> 00:16:39,849
And�The�Sandman�takes
an�eleventh�shot!
411
00:16:39,850 --> 00:16:42,290
It's�hardcore
because�it's�real.
412
00:16:42,291 --> 00:16:44,989
And�to�me�you're�pulling
something�out�of�the�inside
413
00:16:44,990 --> 00:16:47,990
of�somebody�that�they're
feeling�somehow
414
00:16:47,991 --> 00:16:49,459
what�you're�doing
in�the�ring.
415
00:16:49,460 --> 00:16:52,300
Hardcore�isn't�violence
to�do�violence.
416
00:16:52,301 --> 00:16:55,339
To�me,�like,�the�hardcore
is�violence�for�a�reason.
417
00:16:55,340 --> 00:16:57,199
And�then�it�just
means�more�people,
418
00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,539
and�you�can�see�it
in�their�faces.
419
00:16:58,540 --> 00:17:00,340
You�can�see�how�they�react.
420
00:17:00,370 --> 00:17:02,240
Sandman�wasn't�a�wrestler.
421
00:17:02,310 --> 00:17:04,380
He�was�a�entertainer.
422
00:17:04,381 --> 00:17:06,409
That�cigarette�hit�our
cameraman�right�in�the�eye.
423
00:17:06,410 --> 00:17:08,250
That's�what�ECW�was�about.
424
00:17:08,251 --> 00:17:09,719
Wrestling�is�entertainment.
425
00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,019
You�don't�have�to�do�a
wristlock,�a�wristwatch,
426
00:17:12,020 --> 00:17:13,589
a�moonsault�to
get�over�it.
427
00:17:13,590 --> 00:17:15,490
It�doesn't�have
to�be�wrestling.
428
00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:20,730
I'm�getting�ready�to�take�you
to�a�new�level�of�extreme!
429
00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,260
Ah!
430
00:17:22,261 --> 00:17:24,859
He�got�better�and�better�and
knew�how�to�play�The�Sandman,
431
00:17:24,860 --> 00:17:27,160
and�he�was�just
acting�this�part�out.
432
00:17:27,161 --> 00:17:28,869
Everybody�was�kind
of�riding�that�high.
433
00:17:28,870 --> 00:17:30,899
Everyone�was�like,�"Man,
like,�they�made�it."
434
00:17:30,900 --> 00:17:33,439
We're�in�this�very
concentrated�community�and
435
00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,880
everybody�knew
who�he�was.
436
00:17:35,881 --> 00:17:38,879
He�dropped�me�off�at�school
and�he's�got�gash�marks
437
00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,879
on�his�head�from�like
the�beer�cans.
438
00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:42,749
And�my�teacher's
like,�"The�fuck...
439
00:17:42,750 --> 00:17:44,250
Tyler,�you�alright?"
440
00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,850
I'm�Tyler�Fullington,�and
The�Sandman�is�my�father.
441
00:17:47,890 --> 00:17:50,190
Every�time�he�was�home,
you�know,
442
00:17:50,191 --> 00:17:51,789
he�made�sure�to�spend�time
with�us�because
443
00:17:51,790 --> 00:17:54,289
he�knew�he�would�be�on
the�road,�you�know,
444
00:17:54,290 --> 00:17:55,690
a�lot,�and�be�away.
445
00:17:55,691 --> 00:17:58,129
And�he�wanted�to�make
sure�that�his�kids�were
446
00:17:58,130 --> 00:17:59,569
having�his�time
when�he�was�home.
447
00:17:59,570 --> 00:18:00,929
You�know,
hurting�or�not.
448
00:18:00,930 --> 00:18:02,369
He�would�just
roll�out�of�bed,
449
00:18:02,370 --> 00:18:04,940
throw�pants�on�and�like,
let's�roll.
450
00:18:04,970 --> 00:18:07,270
Literally,�he�would�say,
"Let's�roll"!
451
00:18:07,310 --> 00:18:10,750
The�older�and�older�I�got�I
felt,�this�is�cool�and�all,
452
00:18:10,780 --> 00:18:15,820
but�times�I'd�rather
just�have�my�dad�around.
453
00:18:16,820 --> 00:18:20,090
Sandman's�schedule�becomes�even
more�punishing
454
00:18:20,120 --> 00:18:22,220
as�ECW�explodes�in�popularity
455
00:18:22,260 --> 00:18:25,460
by�constantly�pushing�their�own
limits.
456
00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:31,230
Paul's�show�is
aimed�at�adults.
457
00:18:31,260 --> 00:18:33,500
The�Sandman�exposes
his�ex-wife!
458
00:18:33,570 --> 00:18:36,910
And�so�storylines
were�adult.
459
00:18:36,940 --> 00:18:39,180
The�Sandman's�got
a�hold�of�his�wife!
460
00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,310
He�just,�he�just
pulled�up�her...
461
00:18:41,340 --> 00:18:43,280
and�woman�is
lashing�Peaches!
462
00:18:43,281 --> 00:18:44,679
Just�thought�like,
this�is�like�the
463
00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,080
furthest�thing
from�pro�wrestling.
464
00:18:47,110 --> 00:18:50,280
But�Paul�would
guide�us�the�way
465
00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,920
the�ECW�energy
needed�to�be.
466
00:18:52,921 --> 00:18:55,659
Well,�I�had�Nancy�with�me,
too,�so�that�helps.
467
00:18:55,660 --> 00:18:57,360
Why�thank�you,
Sandman.
468
00:18:57,361 --> 00:18:59,159
And�that's�just
the�beginning.
469
00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,259
I've�been�known�to
enhance�a�few�careers.
470
00:19:01,260 --> 00:19:03,530
She�was�so�smart.
I�would�be�like,
471
00:19:03,531 --> 00:19:04,959
"Yeah,�I�want�to�do�it
this�way."�She�goes,
472
00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,329
"No,�we're�not
doing�it�that�way.
473
00:19:06,330 --> 00:19:08,539
We're�doing�it�this�way."
I'm�like,�"Alright."
474
00:19:08,540 --> 00:19:12,010
-Woman!
-[Cheering]
475
00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,780
And�so�if�something
happens�outside�of�the
476
00:19:15,781 --> 00:19:17,939
wrestling�world,
they're�gonna�go�with�it,
477
00:19:17,940 --> 00:19:19,979
and�the�fans�are�gonna
know�about�it�anyway
478
00:19:19,980 --> 00:19:22,450
because�they�were�all,
what�we�called
479
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,220
'the�smart�fans'
or�'the�smarks.'
480
00:19:25,221 --> 00:19:27,949
I�walk�into�the�building
and�Paul�Heyman�goes�to�me,
481
00:19:27,950 --> 00:19:31,190
"I've�been�talking�to
Macaulay�Culkin.
482
00:19:31,191 --> 00:19:32,659
This�is�what�we're�gonna�do.
483
00:19:32,660 --> 00:19:34,489
We're�gonna�bring�him�in
as�your�kid."�And�I'm�like,
484
00:19:34,490 --> 00:19:36,299
"Dude,�I�have�a
Macaulay�Culkin�sitting
485
00:19:36,300 --> 00:19:37,899
right�out�in�my�van."
He�goes,�"Great!
486
00:19:37,900 --> 00:19:39,670
We'll�use�Tyler."
487
00:19:39,700 --> 00:19:41,540
That's�just�one
of�Paul's�lies.
488
00:19:41,570 --> 00:19:44,160
Had�no�connection�to
Macaulay�Culkin�at�all.
489
00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:46,870
Yeah.
490
00:19:46,910 --> 00:19:48,210
Of�course�they�do.
491
00:19:48,211 --> 00:19:50,209
He�could�sell�you�snowballs
in�winter,�trust�me.
492
00:19:50,210 --> 00:19:51,739
Yeah,�I�was�about
six�years�old.
493
00:19:51,740 --> 00:19:54,210
My�mom,
dad�came�up�to�me.
494
00:19:54,211 --> 00:19:56,249
"How�would�you�like�to�be,
like,�part�of�the�show,�or..."?
495
00:19:56,250 --> 00:19:58,850
I'm�like,
"Uh,�I�guess"?
496
00:19:58,851 --> 00:20:00,149
You�know,
what�am�I�gonna�do?
497
00:20:00,150 --> 00:20:02,219
I�just�remember�he�takes
my�wife,�and�then�he,
498
00:20:02,220 --> 00:20:05,650
and�then�he�takes�my�kid,�and
then�we're�off�to�the�races.
499
00:20:10,301 --> 00:20:15,599
The�Sandman'swife�Lauri�has�long
been�an�ECW�fixture
500
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,199
as�part�of�her�husband's
storylines.
501
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,840
And�now�takes�center�stage�in
his�latest�feud�with�Raven
502
00:20:21,170 --> 00:20:23,110
You�took�my�child.
503
00:20:23,180 --> 00:20:28,020
Tonight,�I'm�gonna�take�you,
Raven,�to�the�extreme.
504
00:20:28,021 --> 00:20:30,449
However,�the�idea�of�bringing
his�son�Tyler�into�the�mix
505
00:20:30,450 --> 00:20:31,879
was�something�the
wrestling�world
506
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,920
hasn't�seen�and
wouldn't�expect.
507
00:20:33,950 --> 00:20:35,250
Oh�dear�Lord...
508
00:20:35,290 --> 00:20:38,360
I�don't�even�know
how�it�all�began.
509
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:42,360
Inside�this�woman's�body,
began�the�constant
510
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,800
evolution�of�the
Sandman's�successor.
511
00:20:45,870 --> 00:20:48,570
Sandman�and�my�feud,
I�would�say,
512
00:20:48,571 --> 00:20:51,069
is�one�of�the�greatest
feuds�in�the�history�of�the
513
00:20:51,070 --> 00:20:53,639
business,�but�I'm�partial
'cause�I�was�in�the�feud.
514
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,480
But�I�really�think�that.
515
00:20:55,481 --> 00:20:58,109
Everybody�knows�somebody
who�has�a�marriage�that
516
00:20:58,110 --> 00:21:00,950
got�ended�in�divorce�where
the�child�is�used�as
517
00:21:00,980 --> 00:21:03,880
a�prop�to�gain
concessions.
518
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,990
All�the�abuse,�the�suffering,
the�emotional�alienation�that
519
00:21:08,050 --> 00:21:11,050
I�took�as�a�child�is
now�being�inflicted
520
00:21:11,090 --> 00:21:13,260
upon�your�son,
Sandman.
521
00:21:13,261 --> 00:21:14,889
And�it's�the�most
lowdown,�dirty,
522
00:21:14,890 --> 00:21:16,590
and�cruel�thing
you�can�do.
523
00:21:16,591 --> 00:21:18,329
So�I'm�like,�"Oh,
this�is�great."
524
00:21:18,330 --> 00:21:20,669
The�main�crux�of�it�was�that
Raven�and�Sandman�had�been
525
00:21:20,670 --> 00:21:23,269
feuding�and�they�wanted
to�take�it�the�next�level.
526
00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:26,240
So�Raven,�quote�unquote,
stole�Sandman's�wife.
527
00:21:26,270 --> 00:21:28,310
I've�already�pimped
her�out�to
528
00:21:28,340 --> 00:21:30,510
the�whole�locker
room�before.
529
00:21:30,511 --> 00:21:32,149
But�then�he�stole
Sandman's�son�Tyler,
530
00:21:32,150 --> 00:21:34,109
which�was�really
controversial�because
531
00:21:34,110 --> 00:21:37,019
we�had�a�kid�who's�like
five�years�old�in�the�ring.
532
00:21:37,020 --> 00:21:39,490
Next�thing�you�know,
here�we�are.
533
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,290
He's�got�a�little
flannel�shirt�on�and...
534
00:21:42,291 --> 00:21:44,659
and�they�just�coached�him
in�the�back�a�little�bit
535
00:21:44,660 --> 00:21:47,460
just�what�to�say.
And,�you�know...
536
00:21:47,490 --> 00:21:49,830
Don't�you�dare�fucking
smile�out�there.
537
00:21:49,860 --> 00:21:51,460
Nothing.
538
00:21:51,461 --> 00:21:54,169
I�don't�want�any�reaction
from�you�on�anything.
539
00:21:54,170 --> 00:21:56,640
This�is�where�your�face�is.
540
00:21:56,641 --> 00:21:58,499
What�do�you�think
about�that,�kid?
541
00:21:58,500 --> 00:22:00,869
That's�your�face�and
that's�the�way�you�stay.
542
00:22:00,870 --> 00:22:02,639
Look�at�him,�there's�the
face�right�there.
543
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,179
There's�the�face,�that,
that's�the�face
544
00:22:04,180 --> 00:22:06,170
that�I�always�told�him
to�have�on.
545
00:22:06,180 --> 00:22:07,510
The�money�shot.
546
00:22:07,550 --> 00:22:12,150
I�can�close�my�eyes�and�see
him�dressed�like�Raven.
547
00:22:12,190 --> 00:22:13,520
It�was�crazy.
548
00:22:13,550 --> 00:22:15,790
I�was�young�and�naive.
549
00:22:15,791 --> 00:22:17,959
You�know,�me�and�my�mom
are�coming�down�the�aisle.
550
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,489
Raven's�a�bloody�mess,
got�barbed�wire
551
00:22:19,490 --> 00:22:20,789
in�his�hair�or
something�like�that.
552
00:22:20,790 --> 00:22:22,829
We�just�get�in�the�front,
Raven�says,
553
00:22:22,830 --> 00:22:23,960
"Tyler,�tell�him."
554
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,640
-Tyler,�tell�him!
-Daddy,�you're�drunk!
555
00:22:26,670 --> 00:22:29,170
Now�I�worship�Raven.
556
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,700
I�hit�the�line�and�you
could�hear,�like,
557
00:22:31,740 --> 00:22:34,380
a�somberness,�like
almost�over�the�crowd.
558
00:22:34,410 --> 00:22:38,650
Like,�"Ooh."�Like,
like�that�hurt.
559
00:22:38,651 --> 00:22:40,879
It�wasn't�like�a�cheer.
It�wasn't�like�a�boo.
560
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,520
Like�it�was�like...
561
00:22:42,550 --> 00:22:44,750
oh,�shit.
Like,�damn.
562
00:22:44,820 --> 00:22:48,490
"I�worship�Raven."�And�the
whole�place�was�like...
563
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,420
[Gasping]
564
00:22:52,930 --> 00:22:54,600
Quiet.
565
00:22:54,660 --> 00:22:57,060
And�you�don't�hear
that�in�the�arena.
566
00:22:57,100 --> 00:22:58,600
These�people�ate�it�up.
567
00:22:58,601 --> 00:22:59,869
They�were�just�like,
"Holy�shit,
568
00:22:59,870 --> 00:23:01,510
you�just�hurt
The�Sandman."
569
00:23:01,530 --> 00:23:04,570
Like,�Raven�became�the,
the�heel's�heel.
570
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,840
You�know,�now�you�came�in
and�you�stole�his�family.
571
00:23:07,870 --> 00:23:10,170
That�shit�put
asses�in�seats.
572
00:23:10,210 --> 00:23:11,780
[Crying]
573
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,940
Don't�do�this�to�me!
574
00:23:14,010 --> 00:23:15,510
Tyler�is�an�amazing�actor.
575
00:23:15,511 --> 00:23:17,779
Hey,�you�little�bastard,
why�don't�you�shut�up?
576
00:23:17,780 --> 00:23:20,220
The�Sandman's�not
even�your�real�dad.
577
00:23:20,250 --> 00:23:22,020
[Gasping]
578
00:23:22,021 --> 00:23:24,619
He�never�missed�a�cue.
He�never�missed�a�spot.
579
00:23:24,620 --> 00:23:26,760
-This�sucks.
-Shut�up,�kid.
580
00:23:26,761 --> 00:23:29,199
We'd�be�gone�doing
promos�after�the�show,
581
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,099
and�I'd�be�drunk,�and
I'd�screw�up�a�promo,
582
00:23:31,100 --> 00:23:32,569
or�I'd�forget�to
give�him�the�line,
583
00:23:32,570 --> 00:23:34,369
and�he�would�still�hit
the�line�anyway
584
00:23:34,370 --> 00:23:35,539
exactly�in�the�right�spot.
585
00:23:35,540 --> 00:23:36,769
I�mean,
he�was�amazing.
586
00:23:36,770 --> 00:23:38,210
Hey,�kid.
587
00:23:38,211 --> 00:23:40,609
You�know�the�divorce�was
your�daddy's�fault,�don't�ya?
588
00:23:40,610 --> 00:23:42,210
I�know.
589
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,410
I�think�I�know�now,
more,
590
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,240
like�looking�back
on�it,�like...
591
00:23:46,241 --> 00:23:47,449
man,�yeah,
those�guys�were
592
00:23:47,450 --> 00:23:49,279
pretty�fucking�crazy,
you�know?�Like...
593
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,050
but�at�the�time,
I�was�just�being�a�kid.
594
00:23:52,051 --> 00:23:54,549
I�don't�even�know�if�I�was
prepared�for�it,�and�I'm�like,
595
00:23:54,550 --> 00:23:57,619
"Oh,�my�God,�this�is�really
happening."�And�I'm�thinking,
596
00:23:57,620 --> 00:24:00,630
"This�is�gonna�turn�my�life
upside�down."�You�know?
597
00:24:00,631 --> 00:24:02,629
'Cause�everything
had�to�be�separate.
598
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:05,500
Travel�separate,
show�up�separate,
599
00:24:05,570 --> 00:24:08,170
leave�separate.
It�was�crazy.
600
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:11,130
We'd�be�leaving�the
arena,�separate�cars,
601
00:24:11,170 --> 00:24:12,810
and�you�have�a
meeting�spot.
602
00:24:12,811 --> 00:24:15,409
You�pulled�up�to�the�gas
station�and�kinda�look�like,
603
00:24:15,410 --> 00:24:16,939
anybody�with�an
ECW�shirt�on?
604
00:24:16,940 --> 00:24:18,679
Like,�alright,�get�out,
switch�cars,
605
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,509
like�get�back�in�the�car,
you�know,�stuff�like�that.
606
00:24:20,510 --> 00:24:23,010
You�know,�the�marks,
they're�always�out,
607
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,340
always�looking�for�ya.
608
00:24:24,350 --> 00:24:27,190
They�know�exactly�who
you�are,�where�you�go.
609
00:24:27,250 --> 00:24:30,790
And�it's�hard�trying�to�keep
that�whole�storyline
610
00:24:30,820 --> 00:24:34,120
separate�for�as
long�as�we�did.
611
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,260
Me,�my�dad,
my�mom,�Tyler...
612
00:24:37,300 --> 00:24:38,940
we�did�this�all�together.
613
00:24:38,941 --> 00:24:40,469
They�might've�been
in�the�spotlight,
614
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:42,170
but�we�did�this
all�together.
615
00:24:42,171 --> 00:24:44,669
We're�traveling�to�shows
constantly�every�week.
616
00:24:44,670 --> 00:24:47,040
You�know,
that�was�life.
617
00:24:47,041 --> 00:24:49,139
Shit,�there�were�times�we'd
be�driving�around�New�York
618
00:24:49,140 --> 00:24:50,979
and�they�would�find�this,
like,�playground.
619
00:24:50,980 --> 00:24:52,679
It's�like�two�o'clock
in�the�morning.
620
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,649
We�were�in�like,
bum�fuck�New�York,
621
00:24:54,650 --> 00:24:56,649
and�it�was�pouring�rain,
and�Raven�saying,
622
00:24:56,650 --> 00:24:59,350
"This�is�like�the
best�weather�to�like,
623
00:24:59,390 --> 00:25:00,990
we�gotta�shoot
this�promo."
624
00:25:01,020 --> 00:25:04,390
I�am�their�salvation.
625
00:25:04,460 --> 00:25:08,200
And�at�the�very�end�they
cut�to�me,�and�I�just�said-
626
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:11,370
Quote�the�Raven,
nevermore.
627
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,740
"Quote�the�Raven,
nevermore."
628
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,170
[Laughing]
629
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,580
I�had�one�line,�cut�it,
630
00:25:18,581 --> 00:25:20,209
and�I�guess�I�got�to
go�back�to�sleep.
631
00:25:20,210 --> 00:25:23,550
[Laughing]�You�see,
I�control�the�children.
632
00:25:23,580 --> 00:25:26,580
I�just�think�they�got�away
with�doing�so�much
633
00:25:26,650 --> 00:25:28,990
that�other
companies�didn't.
634
00:25:29,020 --> 00:25:32,060
And�they�just�really
pushed�the�line.
635
00:25:32,061 --> 00:25:34,389
They�pushed�every
limit�that�they�could.
636
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:36,990
This�is�just�heartbreaking.
637
00:25:37,020 --> 00:25:39,990
I�couldn't�do�it�mentally
anymore�and�I�didn't
638
00:25:39,991 --> 00:25:42,229
want�my�kids�to�be�a
part�of�it�anymore.
639
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:45,870
It�was�too�much.
640
00:25:45,871 --> 00:25:48,429
The�Sandman�and�Raven's
storyline�proves�to�be
641
00:25:48,430 --> 00:25:50,570
a�massive�success�for�the
company.
642
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,540
But�their�attempt�to�take�it�to
the�next�level
643
00:25:53,570 --> 00:25:57,610
could�end�up�bringing�ECW�down.
644
00:25:57,611 --> 00:25:59,679
The�best�way�to�describe
Raven�is�he's�a�martyr�for
645
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,049
society's�dysfunction,
and�he�wants�everyone
646
00:26:02,050 --> 00:26:03,620
to�feel�his�pain.
647
00:26:03,621 --> 00:26:05,349
So�I�came�up�with�the
idea�of�putting�Sandman�up
648
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:07,889
on�a�cross�so�he�could�feel
my�pain.�So�I'm�like,
649
00:26:07,890 --> 00:26:09,219
"I�can't�build�a�cross."
He�goes,
650
00:26:09,220 --> 00:26:11,060
"I'll�build�it,�idiot�face."
651
00:26:11,061 --> 00:26:12,459
Dude,�people�don't
realize�that,
652
00:26:12,460 --> 00:26:13,859
that�I�used�to
build�shit,�dude.
653
00:26:13,860 --> 00:26:15,529
That's�what�I�was.
I�was,�fuckin'...
654
00:26:15,530 --> 00:26:17,900
I�was�a�roofer,
I�was�a�concrete�dude,
655
00:26:17,930 --> 00:26:19,470
I�was�a�carpenter.
656
00:26:19,530 --> 00:26:20,800
So...
[chuckles]
657
00:26:20,801 --> 00:26:22,799
he�built�his�own�cross�and
we�had�a�thorny�crown,
658
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,800
we�had�a�barbed�wire�crown
to�be�the�thorny�crown.
659
00:26:26,801 --> 00:26:29,779
Oh�yeah,�we�made�sure�we�got
all�the�little�touches�on�it.
660
00:26:29,780 --> 00:26:31,539
So�we�throw�Sandman
out�to�the�floor,�me,
661
00:26:31,540 --> 00:26:33,079
Stevie�and�the
Meanie�and�Nova,
662
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,580
and�we�start�tying
him�to�the�cross.
663
00:26:35,620 --> 00:26:39,120
We�start�hoisting�it�up...
664
00:26:39,150 --> 00:26:42,390
and�all�of�a�sudden�the
place�goes,�"Oh,�shit."
665
00:26:42,420 --> 00:26:45,590
Putting�my�dad
on�a�cross.
666
00:26:45,591 --> 00:26:48,159
That's�the,�it's�a�holy
figure-�[laughing]
667
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,460
with�barbed�wire�wrapped
around�his�head�as�if�he�is,
668
00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:55,970
you�know,�this�embodiment
of�Jesus�Christ.
669
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,640
I�wasn't�raised�very
religious,�clearly,
670
00:26:58,670 --> 00:27:01,610
but�somebody's
seeing�that.�I,�I�mean,
671
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:06,580
I�was�like,�"What�the�fuck
is�gonna�happen�now"?
672
00:27:13,650 --> 00:27:17,750
As�the�Sandman�and�Raven�steal
the�ECW�spotlight,
673
00:27:17,790 --> 00:27:20,130
both�are�looking�to�shock�the
audience
674
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,970
But�neither�man�is�prepared
for�the�backstage�fallout.
675
00:27:24,971 --> 00:27:26,599
I'm�on�the�cross
and�Stevie's�like,
676
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,499
"This�is�fucked�up."�I'm�like,
"Shut�the�fuck�up,
677
00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:30,669
this�is�great,�Stevie."�And
then�we�get�to�the�fucking,
678
00:27:30,670 --> 00:27:32,269
fucking�back,
I'm�like,�"Damn,
679
00:27:32,270 --> 00:27:34,140
that�was�fucking
great,�guys"!
680
00:27:34,141 --> 00:27:36,479
And�Paul�E.'s�like,�"There's
so�much�heat�on�this."
681
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:37,950
I'm�like,�"Why?"
682
00:27:37,951 --> 00:27:39,609
And�then�everything�was�great
except�fucking�Kurt�Angle
683
00:27:39,610 --> 00:27:41,149
happened�to�be�in�the�fucking
building�that�night.
684
00:27:41,150 --> 00:27:43,549
You�know,�he's�this�Olympian,
it's�his�first�time�being
685
00:27:43,550 --> 00:27:45,900
around�pro�wrestling
and�shit�like�that.
686
00:28:06,501 --> 00:28:11,909
Paul�wants�to�get�this
Olympic�fucking�champion�to
687
00:28:11,910 --> 00:28:14,379
come�work�for�fucking�ECW,
you�know�what�I�mean?
688
00:28:14,380 --> 00:28:16,020
So�Paul's�kissing�his�ass.
689
00:28:16,021 --> 00:28:18,519
So,�they�get�fucking�Raven
to�go�out�and�apol-
690
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,349
I�said,
"That's�fucking�bullshit.
691
00:28:20,350 --> 00:28:22,019
I�disagree.
Fuck�all�you�dudes."
692
00:28:22,020 --> 00:28:23,560
And�I�just�walked�away.
693
00:28:23,561 --> 00:28:25,759
And�so,�for�the�people
who�I�deeply�offended,
694
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,860
I�apologize.
695
00:28:27,861 --> 00:28:29,359
Despite�the�controversy
surrounding
696
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:31,400
the�crucifixtion�angle.
697
00:28:31,401 --> 00:28:33,729
the�scandal�doesn't�slow�The
Sandman's�momentum.
698
00:28:33,730 --> 00:28:35,069
Dude,
are�you�kidding�me?
699
00:28:35,070 --> 00:28:38,270
Me�and�my�man�Scorp,
we�have�the�Tag�Team�titles.
700
00:28:38,340 --> 00:28:42,510
I�have�the�Heavyweight�title
and�he's�got�the�TV�title.
701
00:28:42,511 --> 00:28:45,079
When�you�and�your�boy�got�all
the�titles�in�the�company,
702
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,249
then�you�know�you're
doing�something�right.
703
00:28:47,250 --> 00:28:50,290
Despite�the�accolades�and
championships
704
00:28:50,350 --> 00:28:53,720
life�on�the�road�and
ECW's�hard�hitting�style
705
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:56,890
are�taking�a�toll�on�The
Sandman's�body.
706
00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,390
Oh�my�God!
707
00:28:59,391 --> 00:29:04,529
What,�are�you�kidding�me?
I've�broken�like�27�bones.
708
00:29:04,530 --> 00:29:08,300
Yeah.�Broken�my�neck,
this�clavicle�three�times,
709
00:29:08,301 --> 00:29:11,069
I�need�a�new�hip,�I�need
two�shoulder�surgeries.
710
00:29:11,070 --> 00:29:13,210
Dude,�Superplex
off�the�top�rope�is
711
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,080
a�30�mile�an
hour�car�crash.
712
00:29:15,081 --> 00:29:17,709
Imagine�doing�ten�of�them
every�day�of�your�life.
713
00:29:17,710 --> 00:29:21,080
Forget�it.�I�got
operated�on,
714
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:23,480
this�leg�is�operated�on,
that�morning.
715
00:29:23,550 --> 00:29:26,490
They�shaved�my�meniscus
and�flew�back�to�Philly.
716
00:29:26,491 --> 00:29:28,489
I�came�into�the�ring�where,
I�had�crutches.
717
00:29:28,490 --> 00:29:29,719
You�know�what
I'm�saying?
718
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,890
You�love�what�you're
doing�so�much
719
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,320
that�you�just�don't�care.
720
00:29:35,390 --> 00:29:37,560
I�actually�was
home�one�night,
721
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,400
and�I�got�a�call�from�Tod,
and�he�said,
722
00:29:40,401 --> 00:29:42,839
"Hak's�got�a�concussion�and
he�can't�remember."
723
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,569
And�I�was�like,�"Oh,
that's�a�good�one.
724
00:29:44,570 --> 00:29:48,110
You�guys�just�go�have�fun
and�stop�trying�to�goat�me."
725
00:29:48,140 --> 00:29:50,480
And�he's�like,
"I'm�not�kidding.
726
00:29:50,481 --> 00:29:53,279
He�got�hit�in�the�head�and�he
doesn't�remember�anything."
727
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,920
He's�like,�"I'm�dead�serious."
So�I�had�gone�down,
728
00:29:57,950 --> 00:30:01,620
and�sure�enough,
here�he�was.
729
00:30:01,650 --> 00:30:04,290
"Who�won�the�match?
What�did�it�look�like?"
730
00:30:04,291 --> 00:30:06,329
I�said,�"I�don't�know.
I�wasn't�there."
731
00:30:06,330 --> 00:30:09,430
"Who�won�the�match?"
It�was�relentless.
732
00:30:09,431 --> 00:30:10,859
And�then�that�was�early�on,
733
00:30:10,860 --> 00:30:13,830
and�there�is�countless
times�after�that.
734
00:30:13,870 --> 00:30:16,270
I�was�like,�"You�can't
keep�doing�this.
735
00:30:16,300 --> 00:30:20,800
You're�not�gonna�be�able�to
do�things�with�the�kids."
736
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,170
You�know...
737
00:30:22,210 --> 00:30:25,450
they�just�wanna�keep�on
going,�that's�all�they�know.
738
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,120
You�get�hurt,
you�get�hurt.
739
00:30:27,150 --> 00:30:31,220
So�be�it.
Suck�it�the�fuck�up.
740
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,280
He�would�never�take�a�pill.
741
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,690
And�then�it�just�got
to�a�point�where
742
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,820
you�get�in�this�pain�and...
743
00:30:37,860 --> 00:30:40,460
well,�okay,�couple.
744
00:30:40,461 --> 00:30:43,499
Leads�to�a�couple�more,�and
your�body�gets�used�to�it,
745
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:46,400
and�a�couple�more...
and�then�you're�drinking.
746
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:49,840
And�then�you�gotta�go�to
bed�so�you're�taking�Xanax,
747
00:30:49,870 --> 00:30:52,910
and�then�you�gotta�be�up
so�you're�doing�cocaine.
748
00:30:52,970 --> 00:30:55,340
It's�a�vicious�cycle.
749
00:30:55,370 --> 00:30:59,510
And�once�you�get�on�it,
it's�very�hard�to�get�off.
750
00:30:59,511 --> 00:31:01,749
You�know,�I,�I�knew
what�was�going�on.
751
00:31:01,750 --> 00:31:03,879
I�knew�what�he�kept
in�his�fanny�pack.
752
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,419
What�am�I�gonna�say?
I'm�a�kid.
753
00:31:05,420 --> 00:31:06,989
I�don't�know.
I'm�12,�13�years�old.
754
00:31:06,990 --> 00:31:09,689
Like,�I�don't�know�what
a�Xanax�is,�or,�you�know,
755
00:31:09,690 --> 00:31:11,490
a�perk�or...�whatever.
756
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,390
At�the�time,�like,
pain�medicine.
757
00:31:14,391 --> 00:31:16,329
That's�all�I�know,
and�if,�you�know,
758
00:31:16,330 --> 00:31:18,359
I�gotta�trust�him.�"Yes,
to�help�my�back,
759
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,230
help�my�neck,�help."
You�know?
760
00:31:20,231 --> 00:31:22,069
Alright.�You�gotta
do�what�you�gotta�do.
761
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:24,939
You�work�300�nights�a�year
getting�body�slammed�and
762
00:31:24,940 --> 00:31:26,780
you�tell�me�what
you�would�do.
763
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,080
You�know,�as�time
went�on,�of�course,
764
00:31:29,081 --> 00:31:31,239
they�have�the�barbed�wire,
the�chairs,
765
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,510
the�light�bulbs,
the�tacks.
766
00:31:33,550 --> 00:31:37,590
So,�a�couple�Perks,
some�Somas...
767
00:31:37,620 --> 00:31:40,360
and�it�just�progressed.
768
00:31:40,361 --> 00:31:43,219
I�used�to�joke�back�then,
if�you�pass�a�piss�test,
769
00:31:43,220 --> 00:31:44,520
you�can't�work�for�us.
770
00:31:44,521 --> 00:31:47,089
We�all�got�high,�we�all
partied,�it's�what�we�did.
771
00:31:47,090 --> 00:31:49,560
I�remember�my�first
bag�of�pills�I�found.
772
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,370
I�knew�exactly
what�it�was.
773
00:31:51,371 --> 00:31:53,429
I�remember�my�first�bag
of�coke�that�I�found.
774
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:55,070
First�line�of�coke�I�found.
775
00:31:55,100 --> 00:31:58,200
The�older�and�older�I�got,
he�was�taking�drugs,
776
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,110
you�know,�just�going
down�the�wrong�path.
777
00:32:01,140 --> 00:32:04,040
We�used�to�go,�on�one
month�every�Friday,
778
00:32:04,041 --> 00:32:05,739
we'd�have�three�doctors
that�we�would
779
00:32:05,740 --> 00:32:07,410
go�see�in�Philadelphia.
780
00:32:07,450 --> 00:32:12,760
All�three�doctors�would�give
us�90�OxyContin�eighties.
781
00:32:12,790 --> 00:32:16,990
So,�you're�getting�270
OxyContin�eighties,
782
00:32:17,060 --> 00:32:20,430
you're�getting
300�Percocets,
783
00:32:20,460 --> 00:32:23,630
you're�getting�300�Somas.
784
00:32:23,631 --> 00:32:25,459
And�everybody�would
come�out,�we�would�call�it,
785
00:32:25,460 --> 00:32:26,969
oh,�we�would
get�our�booty.
786
00:32:26,970 --> 00:32:28,629
There�was�a�lot
of�drugs�that
787
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:30,069
went�around�the
dressing�room.
788
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:32,339
I�remember�one�time�I
had�a�friend�that�had
789
00:32:32,340 --> 00:32:34,239
brought�me�some
mushrooms,�and�I�was
790
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,410
looking�forward�to�trying
them�after�my�match.
791
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,580
I�came�for�them�later
and�my�bag�was�empty,
792
00:32:41,581 --> 00:32:44,149
and�I�was�like,�"Man,
who�ate�my�mushrooms"?
793
00:32:44,150 --> 00:32:46,860
And�Sandman�was�like,
"Oh,�were�those�yours"?
794
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,190
[Laughing]�He�ate
the�whole�bag.
795
00:32:50,260 --> 00:32:53,160
He�should�be�dead.
Sandman�should�be�dead.
796
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:56,460
Raven,�Sandman�and�I
was�driving�in�a�car
797
00:32:56,500 --> 00:32:58,270
we�were�going�200�miles.
798
00:32:58,300 --> 00:33:00,840
Raven�had�got�hurt
like�the�week�before.
799
00:33:00,870 --> 00:33:03,140
He�had�a�ruptured
disc�taken�out,
800
00:33:03,170 --> 00:33:07,940
so�they�gave�him�this
highly�addictive�narcotic.
801
00:33:07,941 --> 00:33:10,479
So�we�have�to�stop�at�a�gas
station�so�I�can�go�to
802
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,109
the�bathroom�and�so
I�can�shoot�up,
803
00:33:12,110 --> 00:33:13,809
'cause�I�gotta
get�my�dose�in.
804
00:33:13,810 --> 00:33:15,509
I�had�never�shot
anything�before,
805
00:33:15,510 --> 00:33:18,280
but�I've�seen�TV�shows
and�shit�like�that.
806
00:33:18,281 --> 00:33:19,689
I'm�like,�"Dude,
what�are�you�doing"?
807
00:33:19,690 --> 00:33:21,319
He's�like,�"I'm�shooting
an�80."�He�goes,
808
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:22,389
"It's�really�good."
I'm�like,
809
00:33:22,390 --> 00:33:24,389
"Well,�damn,
I�want�to�try.�I'm�in"!
810
00:33:24,390 --> 00:33:26,230
You�know,
'cause�I'm�a�druggie.
811
00:33:26,231 --> 00:33:28,159
So,�I�go�to�shoot�a
whole�80,�he�goes,
812
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,060
"Dude,�do�not
shoot�a�whole�80.
813
00:33:30,061 --> 00:33:32,229
You�do�not�want."
I'm�like,�"I�snort�five�of
814
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:34,169
these�things�a�day,
I�can�shoot�an�80."
815
00:33:34,170 --> 00:33:36,069
So�he�shoots�up�the
same�amount�too,
816
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:40,070
and�we�get�back�in�the
SUV�and�we�start�driving.
817
00:33:40,140 --> 00:33:43,340
Sandman�starts�going
like-�[Snorting]
818
00:33:43,380 --> 00:33:44,750
He�can't�breathe�right.
819
00:33:44,751 --> 00:33:47,179
I�said,�"Raven,�Sandman�is
having�trouble�breathing."
820
00:33:47,180 --> 00:33:48,849
He�said,�"Oh,
he'll�be�alright."
821
00:33:48,850 --> 00:33:50,720
About�5�minutes
later�I�said,
822
00:33:50,721 --> 00:33:53,089
"Hey,�daddy,�his�lips
are�turning�blue."
823
00:33:53,090 --> 00:33:54,470
And�we're�like,�"What"?
824
00:33:54,471 --> 00:33:56,319
He's�like,�"His�lips�are
turning�blue."
825
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,720
We're�like,�"Holy�shit,
he's�OD'ing."
826
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,260
Now�we�got�a�problem.
He's�dying.
827
00:34:04,481 --> 00:34:10,699
The�Sandman's�reckless�nature
and�persistent�drug�use
828
00:34:10,700 --> 00:34:13,840
have�landed�him�on�the�brink�of
death.
829
00:34:13,841 --> 00:34:15,869
Thank�God�they�stopped,
they�called�the�ambulance,
830
00:34:15,870 --> 00:34:19,010
the�ambulance�came,�the
adrenaline�shot,�needle.
831
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,380
?
832
00:34:21,410 --> 00:34:23,410
They�take�me�to
the�hospital.
833
00:34:23,411 --> 00:34:25,449
I�wake�up�at�like
four�in�the�morning.
834
00:34:25,450 --> 00:34:27,419
I�ripped�the�shit
out�of�my�arms,
835
00:34:27,420 --> 00:34:28,789
grabbed�my�shit�out
of�the�hospital,
836
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:31,019
fucking�went�into�the�hotel,
fell�asleep,�got�up,
837
00:34:31,020 --> 00:34:32,759
and�went�to�the�show�the
next�day�and�shot
838
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,960
an�OxyContin�80
and�loved�it.
839
00:34:34,961 --> 00:34:36,359
I�liked�it�so�much
I'm�like,�"Dude,
840
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,759
I�can't�do�this�again.
I'll�end�up�fucking�really,
841
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,630
actually�being�dead."
Never�did�it�again.
842
00:34:42,700 --> 00:34:47,310
I�found�bills�in�my�mail
that�show�that�he�was
843
00:34:47,370 --> 00:34:50,440
resuscitated�from
shooting�up�and�flatlining,
844
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,720
and�he�never�told�me.
845
00:34:52,740 --> 00:34:54,080
I�wasn't�telling�her.
846
00:34:54,081 --> 00:34:56,579
Oh�yeah,�hon,�I�OD'd�fucking
on�the�road�last�week.
847
00:34:56,580 --> 00:34:58,080
Almost�died.
848
00:34:58,081 --> 00:34:59,789
Yeah,�I'm�not�coming
home�with�that�story
849
00:34:59,790 --> 00:35:02,060
fucking�Sunday
afternoon.
850
00:35:02,090 --> 00:35:05,060
As�The�Sandman�struggles�with
his�personal�issues
851
00:35:05,090 --> 00:35:08,460
ECW�experiences�a�decline�as
their�top�stars
852
00:35:08,490 --> 00:35:11,290
leave�for�bigger,�more
mainstream�promotions.
853
00:35:11,330 --> 00:35:13,100
Towards�the�end�of�ECW,
854
00:35:13,130 --> 00:35:17,500
WCW�and�WWF�was
picking�our�talent.
855
00:35:17,570 --> 00:35:19,970
They�would�leave�us
and�go�to�WWF�so,
856
00:35:20,010 --> 00:35:23,680
Sandman�got�one�of�those
offers�to�go�to�WCW�and
857
00:35:23,740 --> 00:35:27,240
make�five�times�the�money
he�was�making�in�ECW,
858
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,480
so�why�wouldn't�he?
859
00:35:28,510 --> 00:35:30,620
And�all�the�guys
up�there�were�huge.
860
00:35:30,650 --> 00:35:32,190
Big�monster�guys.
861
00:35:32,250 --> 00:35:34,250
And�Sandman�was
a�big,�tall�kid,
862
00:35:34,290 --> 00:35:36,430
but�not�big�muscle�bound.
863
00:35:36,431 --> 00:35:37,819
But�he�wanted�to�get�big.
864
00:35:37,820 --> 00:35:39,289
But�he,�remember,
he�didn't�work�out,
865
00:35:39,290 --> 00:35:40,659
he�didn't�go�to
the�gym�at�all.
866
00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:43,530
So,�he�ordered�all
kind�of�steroids.
867
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,040
We�called�it�the�gas.
868
00:35:45,041 --> 00:35:47,329
So�that's�the�six�months
that�I�was�doing�the�juice,
869
00:35:47,330 --> 00:35:49,530
the�steroids�and
the�growth�hormone.
870
00:35:49,531 --> 00:35:51,339
And�the�only�reason�why
I�did�it�was�because
871
00:35:51,340 --> 00:35:52,880
I�was�going�to�WCW,
872
00:35:52,940 --> 00:35:55,640
and�that�was�the�land
of�the�freaking�giants.
873
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:59,370
What�was�funny�about�when
Sandman�went�to�WCW�was
874
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,380
he�got�jacked,�like�for
the�first�time�ever.
875
00:36:02,450 --> 00:36:04,850
[Cheering]
876
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,650
Course�we�had�access�to�the
best�gas�on�the�planet
877
00:36:08,690 --> 00:36:10,490
from�Germany�or�whatever,
878
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,890
the�latest�shit�that
makes�you�big.
879
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,060
So�he�was�on�it,�and�it
affects�your�thought,
880
00:36:16,130 --> 00:36:17,970
it�makes�you
mean�sometimes.
881
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,000
It�has�a,�an�effect
on�your�personality.
882
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:23,170
It�turned�my�dad�into
883
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,470
an�abusive,
harmful�individual.
884
00:36:26,510 --> 00:36:30,310
And�my�mom�turned�into
this�almost�subservient,
885
00:36:30,340 --> 00:36:33,540
meek�woman�for
a�little�while.
886
00:36:33,580 --> 00:36:35,690
Breaking�point�for
me�was�the�abuse.
887
00:36:37,580 --> 00:36:39,820
Mm-hm,�yeah.
888
00:36:39,850 --> 00:36:41,720
My�hair�pulled.
889
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:43,920
I�had�a�pillow�put
over�my�face.
890
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:48,560
Not�just�physically�abused,
but�mental�abuse.
891
00:36:48,590 --> 00:36:52,390
"You're�stupid,"�you�know,
a�bunch�of�that.
892
00:36:52,391 --> 00:36:54,099
And�sometimes�the
mental�stuff�was
893
00:36:54,100 --> 00:36:57,570
harder�than�the�physical.
894
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,770
We�were�at�his�house,
and�we're�at�the�table
895
00:37:00,771 --> 00:37:02,669
and�he's�being�a
dick�to�his�wife,
896
00:37:02,670 --> 00:37:05,770
and�he�poured�a
beer�on�her�head.
897
00:37:05,771 --> 00:37:08,109
He�wouldn't�have�done�it
unless�he�was�off
898
00:37:08,110 --> 00:37:10,380
and�gassed�up
and�drunk.
899
00:37:10,420 --> 00:37:12,790
So,�Sandman�just
got�a�shipment,
900
00:37:12,850 --> 00:37:17,390
$10,000�shipment
of�steroids�and
901
00:37:17,420 --> 00:37:19,690
Peaches�went�in
the�refrigerator,
902
00:37:19,730 --> 00:37:23,200
and�she�fucking�dumped�it
all�out�in�the�front�lawn,
903
00:37:23,201 --> 00:37:24,929
and�he�says,�"Do�you
realize�you�just
904
00:37:24,930 --> 00:37:27,130
dumped�$10,000
worth�the�shit?"
905
00:37:27,131 --> 00:37:28,729
And�she�said,�"I�don't
give�a�fuck,�Sandman.
906
00:37:28,730 --> 00:37:31,130
You're�acting�like�a
dick�on�this�shit."
907
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,470
I�don't�care.
908
00:37:32,540 --> 00:37:34,740
You�know,�'cause�it
made�him�angry.
909
00:37:34,770 --> 00:37:39,140
Like�he�was�just�angry.
910
00:37:39,210 --> 00:37:41,020
It�hurt.�As�much�as
I�loved�him
911
00:37:41,050 --> 00:37:42,950
I�hated�his�guts,
you�know?
912
00:37:42,951 --> 00:37:44,419
Because�it�was�difficult.
913
00:37:44,420 --> 00:37:45,879
It�was�extremely
difficult�to�see�my�mom
914
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,089
go�through�what�she�had�to
go�through�and�like,
915
00:37:48,090 --> 00:37:49,959
you�love�us�so�much�how
could�you�treat�somebody
916
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,330
you�love�like�that?
917
00:37:51,331 --> 00:37:53,089
He's�your�parent,�and
you�know�it's�not�right,
918
00:37:53,090 --> 00:37:54,990
but�you�don't
know�how�to�help.
919
00:37:54,991 --> 00:37:56,929
You�know,�you�don't
know�what�to�do.
920
00:37:56,930 --> 00:38:00,230
It�got�harder�and�harder�to,
you�know,�trust�him�and,
921
00:38:00,231 --> 00:38:01,899
you�know,�want�to
be�around�him.
922
00:38:01,900 --> 00:38:04,270
I�put�fucking
Lori�through�hell.
923
00:38:04,271 --> 00:38:06,509
Now�I�understand,
like�her�perspective,
924
00:38:06,510 --> 00:38:08,439
you�know�what�I�mean?
And�it�was�all�me.
925
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,640
If�I�could�have
my�shit�together,
926
00:38:10,641 --> 00:38:12,809
then�maybe�me�and�her
would�still�be�together.
927
00:38:12,810 --> 00:38:14,410
Who�knows.
928
00:38:14,450 --> 00:38:19,520
All�I�can�say�is�I
stayed�in�too�long,
929
00:38:19,580 --> 00:38:24,750
and�there's�always
help�to...
930
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:28,190
guide�you�to�where
you�need�to�be.
931
00:38:28,260 --> 00:38:31,830
My�mom...
took�her�a�while,�but...
932
00:38:31,860 --> 00:38:35,030
she�made�a�decision.
933
00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:38,270
And�she�decided�that�this�is
not�how�she�wants�to
934
00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:41,640
live�her�life�anymore,
she's�got�three�kids.
935
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:44,810
It�was�all�my�fault,
and�I�know�it.
936
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,680
Dude,�she�was
like�an�angel.
937
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:48,780
I�was�like�the�devil
reincarnated
938
00:38:48,810 --> 00:38:51,810
for�a�little�while.
Maybe�for�a�long�while.
939
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:03,630
In�2001,�ECW�closes�its�doos
and�two�years�later
940
00:39:03,660 --> 00:39:07,230
its�assets�are�sold�to�Vince
McMahon's�WWE.
941
00:39:07,300 --> 00:39:10,870
Giving�The�Sandman�one�last�shot
in�the�spotlight
942
00:39:10,871 --> 00:39:12,299
as�the�brand�is�re-launched.
943
00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:14,540
What's�that�smell?
944
00:39:14,570 --> 00:39:17,410
Sandman's�character�was
kind�of�watered�down,
945
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,080
you�know,�no�cigarette
smoking,�no�beer.
946
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:21,990
Drinking�on�the�job?
947
00:39:22,010 --> 00:39:24,380
What�the�hell�is�this?
948
00:39:24,420 --> 00:39:26,920
Society�had�changed,
and�so�he�wasn't
949
00:39:26,921 --> 00:39:28,719
used�as�well�as
he�could've�been.
950
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:30,490
The�zombie!
951
00:39:30,491 --> 00:39:31,759
That's�not�the
ECW�that�I�know,
952
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,859
that's�not�the�ECW
that�the�fans�know.
953
00:39:33,860 --> 00:39:36,700
A�lot�of�the�original
ECW�fans
954
00:39:36,730 --> 00:39:41,400
want�to�forget
about�that�time.
955
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:43,870
Sandman's�time�in
the�WWE�is�brief,
956
00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:46,240
and�un-remarkable.
957
00:39:46,241 --> 00:39:48,209
And�though�his�wrestling�career
is�largely�over,
958
00:39:48,210 --> 00:39:50,780
his�trouble�with�addiction
continue.
959
00:39:51,110 --> 00:39:52,610
I�got�a�phone�call.
960
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,420
"Dad�just�got�arrested,
he's�going�to�jail."
961
00:39:55,450 --> 00:39:58,920
Like�I�was�at�work.
I'm�like,�"For�what?"
962
00:39:58,950 --> 00:40:01,290
So,�me�and�my�brother
packed�our�shit,
963
00:40:01,350 --> 00:40:02,850
drove�up�to�New�York.
964
00:40:02,890 --> 00:40:05,390
How�am�I�going�to
find�a�freakin�lawyer?
965
00:40:05,391 --> 00:40:06,959
I�don't�even
know�what�he�did.
966
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,260
Like,�I'm�in
Yonkers,�New�York.
967
00:40:09,261 --> 00:40:11,299
I'd�watched�him�wrestle
for�how�many�years?
968
00:40:11,300 --> 00:40:12,559
He�walked�into�this
courtroom�looking�like
969
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,429
he�just�got�put�through�a
washing�machine.
970
00:40:14,430 --> 00:40:16,299
He,�like,�physically
looked�hurt.
971
00:40:16,300 --> 00:40:18,640
And�I�was�just�like,
"What�happened?"
972
00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:22,040
30�Long�Island�iced�teas,
that's�what�happened.
973
00:40:22,041 --> 00:40:24,379
[Slurring]�Alright,
everybody�here's�thinking,
974
00:40:24,380 --> 00:40:26,920
"You�know�what?
This�guy's�drunk."
975
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:29,590
You're�right!
976
00:40:29,591 --> 00:40:31,279
Got�in�a�fight
with�the�owner.
977
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,549
So,�he�threw�a�bottle�at�me,
hit�me�in�the�head.
978
00:40:33,550 --> 00:40:35,620
I�chased�him
into�the�kitchen,
979
00:40:35,621 --> 00:40:37,619
broke�a�bunch�of
shit�in�the�kitchen,
980
00:40:37,620 --> 00:40:41,160
then�the�SWAT�team
came�and�took�me�away.
981
00:40:41,161 --> 00:40:43,089
Basically�had�to�go�through
the�court�system.
982
00:40:43,090 --> 00:40:45,330
They�finally�set�his�bail.
983
00:40:45,331 --> 00:40:47,469
So�I�remember�calling�this
bank�and�I'm�like,�"Listen,
984
00:40:47,470 --> 00:40:51,110
I�need�you�to�authorize�a
$10,000�from�ATMs."
985
00:40:51,111 --> 00:40:52,999
And�she's�like,�"Well,
there's�only�gonna�be
986
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,840
like�a�$2000
limit�per�each�ATM�and
987
00:40:55,841 --> 00:40:57,279
that's�just
the�ATM�itself."
988
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,279
Like�you're�only�allowed
to�take�so�much.
989
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,279
So�here�I�am�bouncing�around
'til�I�got�to�ten�grand.
990
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,530
So�I�would�be�on�the�phone
with�them�at�an�ATM�'cause,
991
00:41:05,531 --> 00:41:07,419
you�know,�you�see�these
kids�getting�money
992
00:41:07,420 --> 00:41:09,760
out�of�an�ATM,
they're�gonna�rob�ya.
993
00:41:09,761 --> 00:41:11,689
And�finally�we're�able
to�give�them�bail
994
00:41:11,690 --> 00:41:13,019
about�like,
three,�four...
995
00:41:13,020 --> 00:41:14,359
something�in
the�morning.
996
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,800
I�remember�walking�into
this,�like,�huge...
997
00:41:16,830 --> 00:41:20,670
prison�and�like,
giving�them�this�money
998
00:41:20,700 --> 00:41:22,700
and�like,
out�comes�my�dad.
999
00:41:22,701 --> 00:41:24,969
And�I�was�like,�"Get�the
fuck�in�the�fucking�car
1000
00:41:24,970 --> 00:41:27,339
we're�fucking�going�home.
I�can't�fucking�believe."
1001
00:41:27,340 --> 00:41:31,040
And�like,�of�course,
of�course.
1002
00:41:31,110 --> 00:41:33,710
Like,�this�is�my�life.
1003
00:41:33,711 --> 00:41:35,479
No�kid�should
have�to�do�that.
1004
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,350
It�was�your�life.
You�lived�it.
1005
00:41:38,380 --> 00:41:42,020
You�just,�you�don't�know�how
horrible�it�is�until�later.
1006
00:41:42,050 --> 00:41:45,320
Or�how�horrible�you
might�have�made�it�for
1007
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,700
other�people�that�you,
that�you�love.
1008
00:41:47,730 --> 00:41:50,500
?
1009
00:41:50,530 --> 00:41:54,300
Deep�down,�he�realizes
he's�done�a�lot�of�bad,
1010
00:41:54,330 --> 00:41:58,200
and�that�maybe�this
is�his�redemption?
1011
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:03,010
I�would�like�for�him
to�accept�what�was,
1012
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,580
accept�what�he�has,
and�move�on�from�here.
1013
00:42:07,650 --> 00:42:11,390
But�I�think�it's�gonna�be
kind�of�cleansing�for
1014
00:42:11,420 --> 00:42:14,720
all�of�us,
and�hopefully�himself,
1015
00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:19,690
to�just...�let�it�go.
1016
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:22,390
I�don't�know.�I'm�an
idiot,�I,�dude,�I...
1017
00:42:22,430 --> 00:42:25,570
I've�been�so�self
-sabotaging�in�my�life.
1018
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:30,000
It's�like,�there's�been�a�lot
of�just,�personal�destruction.
1019
00:42:30,001 --> 00:42:32,569
And�now�it�hits�me�a�little
bit�different�because
1020
00:42:32,570 --> 00:42:36,240
I'm�older�and�you�think
about�that�stupid�shit�that
1021
00:42:36,241 --> 00:42:38,439
you've�done�that�kind�of
changes�everything,
1022
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:39,780
you�know�what�I�mean?
1023
00:42:39,781 --> 00:42:42,279
So,�there's�a�different
perspective�in�my�head�now.
1024
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,679
I�want�him�to�realize,
no�matter�how�bad
1025
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,020
things�were�at�times,
1026
00:42:47,021 --> 00:42:49,959
including�family�life,
that�where�he�came�from�and
1027
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,600
what�he�did�was�a�lot
of�hard�work�and,
1028
00:42:52,620 --> 00:42:54,120
you�know,
accomplishment.
1029
00:42:54,121 --> 00:42:57,029
Was�a�perfect�by�any
stretch�of�the�imagination?
1030
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:58,859
No.�He's�made�a
lot�of�mistakes,
1031
00:42:58,860 --> 00:43:00,269
and�he'll�be�the�one
to�tell�you.
1032
00:43:00,270 --> 00:43:03,310
But,�he's�self-made
and�it's�okay�to-
1033
00:43:03,311 --> 00:43:04,969
[Chuckling]
it's�okay�to�say�that.
1034
00:43:04,970 --> 00:43:06,540
He�lived�his�life's�dream.
1035
00:43:06,541 --> 00:43:08,769
There�always�has�to�be
an�end�for�everyone.
1036
00:43:08,770 --> 00:43:11,279
There�always�has�to�be�an
end�to�what�you�can�do.
1037
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,620
And�you've�done�it.
1038
00:43:12,621 --> 00:43:14,779
A�lot�of�people�can't�say
that�they've�done�that.
1039
00:43:14,780 --> 00:43:17,980
He�can�still�be�The�Sandman,
he�still�is�The�Sandman.
1040
00:43:17,981 --> 00:43:19,579
There�will�never
be�another�Sandman.
1041
00:43:19,580 --> 00:43:22,119
I,�I�really�just�wish�that
he�would�understand�that
1042
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:23,620
what�happened�happened,
1043
00:43:23,660 --> 00:43:27,430
and�he�can
move�forward.
1044
00:43:27,460 --> 00:43:30,660
Sandman�is�an�icon.
1045
00:43:30,730 --> 00:43:32,430
Poster�boy�for�hardcore.
1046
00:43:32,460 --> 00:43:35,930
People�loved�The�Sandman.
1047
00:43:35,970 --> 00:43:38,310
I�am�the�hardcore�icon.
1048
00:43:38,311 --> 00:43:41,309
I�mean,�who�else�is�gonna
drink�beer,�smoke�cigarettes,
1049
00:43:41,310 --> 00:43:44,610
swing�a�cane,�wear
sweatpants�to�the�ring,
1050
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,680
t-shirt,
and�get�over?
1051
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,450
The�first�person�to
do�a�lot�of�shit.
1052
00:43:52,451 --> 00:43:54,789
You�know,�the�first�person
to�bleed�before�he�got�into
1053
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:57,519
the�ring,�the�first�person
to�come�out�of�the�crowd.
1054
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,359
You�know�what�I�mean?
Smoke�a�cigarette.
1055
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,830
I�am�the�king�of�extreme!
1056
00:44:02,860 --> 00:44:04,660
[Cheering]
1057
00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:06,800
Smoking,�drinking,�yeah!
1058
00:44:06,830 --> 00:44:09,200
Cool.
1059
00:44:09,201 --> 00:44:11,659
No�wonder�why�I'm�fucking
fucked�up�in�the�head.
1060
00:44:11,660 --> 00:44:16,210
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