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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,000 Downloaded From www.AllSubs.org 2 00:00:01,774 --> 00:00:10,449 www.1000fr.com Present 3 00:00:10,450 --> 00:00:20,494 Capture:xxy��lanmao��QQ Sync:FRM@�������� 4 00:00:22,133 --> 00:00:24,033 (knocking on door) 5 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,167 (phone ringing) 6 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:53,534 (phone continues ringing) 7 00:01:25,250 --> 00:01:26,617 REPORTER: Members of the New Victory Church, 8 00:01:26,684 --> 00:01:28,218 holding a prayer service here, 9 00:01:28,283 --> 00:01:32,584 very upset over the murder of their church leader Jeff Harris, 10 00:01:32,650 --> 00:01:34,584 and what looks to be the apparent abduction 11 00:01:34,650 --> 00:01:36,984 of his wife Martha Harris. 12 00:01:37,051 --> 00:01:39,017 Everyone assumes she was abducted. 13 00:01:39,084 --> 00:01:40,250 You don't? 14 00:01:40,317 --> 00:01:42,383 Always look to the nearest and dearest first. 15 00:01:42,450 --> 00:01:44,550 In this case... She's a preacher's wife. 16 00:01:44,617 --> 00:01:46,250 Nobody wants to believe she did it. 17 00:01:46,317 --> 00:01:47,684 Oh, deep in their dark little hearts, 18 00:01:47,751 --> 00:01:49,751 they all want to believe she did it. 19 00:01:49,817 --> 00:01:51,484 My dad was a preacher. 20 00:01:51,550 --> 00:01:52,617 Well, then, 21 00:01:52,684 --> 00:01:54,317 you should know. People love to see 22 00:01:54,383 --> 00:01:55,917 the righteous fall from grace. 23 00:01:55,984 --> 00:01:58,118 What was that like, being a preacher's kid? 24 00:01:58,184 --> 00:02:01,084 Tough, living in the fishbowl. 25 00:02:01,151 --> 00:02:03,151 The worst part was the way certain church ladies 26 00:02:03,218 --> 00:02:04,383 would throw themselves at my father. 27 00:02:04,450 --> 00:02:07,084 (sighs): Your mom must have loved that. 28 00:02:07,151 --> 00:02:09,151 My mom divorced that. 29 00:02:09,218 --> 00:02:10,650 Well, like Sister Gertrude 30 00:02:10,717 --> 00:02:12,851 used to say to us when we were 31 00:02:12,917 --> 00:02:14,218 lining up for the confessional, 32 00:02:14,283 --> 00:02:16,218 very good people do very bad things. 33 00:02:16,283 --> 00:02:18,383 Amen, Sister Gertrude. 34 00:02:18,450 --> 00:02:21,250 Meaning we don't want anyone giving Mrs. Harris a free pass 35 00:02:21,317 --> 00:02:22,817 just because she's a preacher's wife. 36 00:02:22,884 --> 00:02:25,350 When she does show up, I want every avenue explored. 37 00:02:25,417 --> 00:02:26,517 {i1}If{i} she shows up. 38 00:02:26,584 --> 00:02:27,851 Maureen, you're the expert. 39 00:02:27,917 --> 00:02:29,350 Why don't you drop by the crime scene, 40 00:02:29,417 --> 00:02:31,317 and while the cops are looking for the missing wife, 41 00:02:31,383 --> 00:02:33,584 you can see if it feels like an abduction to you. 42 00:02:33,650 --> 00:02:36,450 Or? Or if she murdered him. 43 00:02:42,317 --> 00:02:44,484 The victim was found face down, single bullet wound 44 00:02:44,550 --> 00:02:47,017 in the back of the head from a nine millimeter weapon. 45 00:02:47,084 --> 00:02:48,317 BLACKWELL: Preliminary trajectory report 46 00:02:48,383 --> 00:02:50,650 suggest Pastor Harris was on his knees. 47 00:02:50,717 --> 00:02:53,350 Saying his prayers. 48 00:03:00,751 --> 00:03:02,383 Credit card applications, 49 00:03:02,450 --> 00:03:04,650 home equity loan. 50 00:03:04,717 --> 00:03:07,450 Money's always tight in a minister's home. 51 00:03:07,517 --> 00:03:08,450 Only one kid? 52 00:03:08,517 --> 00:03:11,084 A son, Paul, 22. 53 00:03:11,151 --> 00:03:13,550 That's unusual for a minister's family. 54 00:03:13,617 --> 00:03:14,851 I don't envy him. 55 00:03:14,917 --> 00:03:16,751 At least I had a lot of brothers and sisters 56 00:03:16,817 --> 00:03:17,984 I could point the finger at. 57 00:03:18,051 --> 00:03:19,283 DRUMMER: Will you look at this? 58 00:03:21,317 --> 00:03:23,650 It's a pizza... from De Michael's. 59 00:03:23,717 --> 00:03:25,717 Easy, big fella, that's evidence. 60 00:03:25,784 --> 00:03:27,350 What a waste. 61 00:03:27,417 --> 00:03:29,283 (phone rings) 62 00:03:29,350 --> 00:03:30,350 Blackwell. 63 00:03:32,617 --> 00:03:33,917 Thanks. 64 00:03:33,984 --> 00:03:37,417 Cops found her in a motel down in Madison, Indiana. 65 00:03:37,484 --> 00:03:40,584 That's 100 miles away, down by the Ohio River. 66 00:03:40,650 --> 00:03:42,383 The Kentucky state line. 67 00:03:44,351 --> 00:03:46,384 BLACKWELL: {i1}They tracked her{i} {i1}vehicle south on I-65{i} 68 00:03:46,451 --> 00:03:49,050 {i1}from a gas receipt as{i} {i1}far as Scottsburg.{i} 69 00:03:49,117 --> 00:03:51,917 {i1}Found her inMadison when she{i} {i1}turned her cell phone on.{i} 70 00:03:51,983 --> 00:03:53,818 ANNABETH: {i1}Any sign she was abducted?{i} 71 00:03:53,533 --> 00:03:55,567 BLACKWELL: {i1}Nope, but they found blood{i} {i1}on the driver's seat{i} 72 00:03:55,633 --> 00:03:56,834 {i1}and steering wheel{i} {i1}in her minivan.{i} 73 00:03:56,900 --> 00:03:58,234 State troopers got her back to Indianapolis 74 00:03:58,301 --> 00:03:59,667 in record time. 75 00:03:59,734 --> 00:04:01,368 Ed's had her in there for about 20 minutes. 76 00:04:01,434 --> 00:04:02,533 She ask for a lawyer? 77 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:03,934 We offered, she declined. 78 00:04:04,001 --> 00:04:05,267 Seems like she's still sort of in shock. 79 00:04:05,334 --> 00:04:06,401 All right, preacher's kid. 80 00:04:06,468 --> 00:04:07,700 Ready to go? 81 00:04:07,767 --> 00:04:10,434 P.K. to those who know me. 82 00:04:12,434 --> 00:04:14,334 I don't think I can survive this. 83 00:04:14,401 --> 00:04:19,567 Let's just take things one step at a time. 84 00:04:19,633 --> 00:04:21,500 That's what Jeff always said. 85 00:04:21,567 --> 00:04:23,167 That was his outlook. 86 00:04:23,234 --> 00:04:26,533 And look what he did for that church. 87 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,434 One thing at a time. 88 00:04:28,500 --> 00:04:31,867 Grief or remorse? 89 00:04:31,934 --> 00:04:33,401 Can't get a read on her. 90 00:04:33,468 --> 00:04:37,734 You know, I used to love to sing in my father's choir. 91 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:38,800 You did? 92 00:04:38,867 --> 00:04:41,134 Me, too. 93 00:04:41,201 --> 00:04:43,667 I, uh, I sang a solo twice a month. 94 00:04:43,734 --> 00:04:46,167 A solo? Mm-hmm. 95 00:04:46,234 --> 00:04:48,001 Wow. 96 00:04:48,067 --> 00:04:50,567 I was always too shy to take a solo. 97 00:04:50,633 --> 00:04:51,967 Yeah, when it went well, I... 98 00:04:52,034 --> 00:04:55,234 I felt like I was talking to God, 99 00:04:55,301 --> 00:04:56,834 I mean, that's how I saw it. 100 00:04:56,900 --> 00:04:59,234 I know what you mean. 101 00:04:59,301 --> 00:05:01,067 Mrs. Harris, we were hoping 102 00:05:01,134 --> 00:05:03,533 to hear the story from you. 103 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,267 I'm not going to be able to tell you what you want to hear. 104 00:05:07,334 --> 00:05:10,101 We're only interested in the truth. 105 00:05:10,167 --> 00:05:12,934 It's not that simple. 106 00:05:13,001 --> 00:05:14,767 Mrs. Harris, just tell us what happened. 107 00:05:14,834 --> 00:05:15,767 Can we stop 108 00:05:15,834 --> 00:05:17,167 for just a minute? 109 00:05:17,234 --> 00:05:18,734 I'd rather... I don't want to be a problem. 110 00:05:21,934 --> 00:05:25,334 Uh, could I ask you something? 111 00:05:25,401 --> 00:05:28,301 Um, you're a minister's daughter. 112 00:05:28,368 --> 00:05:29,633 I know you'll understand. 113 00:05:29,700 --> 00:05:32,401 Go ahead. 114 00:05:32,468 --> 00:05:35,301 Could I pray? Would you mind? 115 00:05:35,368 --> 00:05:38,500 Of course. 116 00:05:42,900 --> 00:05:47,667 Dear Lord, I pray for strength. 117 00:05:47,734 --> 00:05:51,368 I pray for guidance. 118 00:05:51,434 --> 00:05:55,101 I pray for forgiveness for the evil that I have done. 119 00:05:55,167 --> 00:05:58,900 Sounds like remorse to me. 120 00:05:58,967 --> 00:06:00,667 I'd call it a confession. 121 00:06:03,567 --> 00:06:05,434 Blood in the minivan, blood on her blouse, 122 00:06:05,500 --> 00:06:07,301 all a match for Pastor Harris. 123 00:06:07,368 --> 00:06:09,101 Question is, does asking God to forgive her 124 00:06:09,167 --> 00:06:11,468 constitute a confession? I wish she'd said, "God forgive me 125 00:06:11,533 --> 00:06:13,567 for shooting my husband in the back of the head," 126 00:06:13,633 --> 00:06:15,434 but it does speak to her state of mind. 127 00:06:15,500 --> 00:06:17,600 Cops found a receipt in the car for De Michael's Pizza. 128 00:06:17,667 --> 00:06:19,934 Puts her back in the house about the time he was killed. 129 00:06:20,001 --> 00:06:22,500 Anybody who's begging God to forgive her is pretty close 130 00:06:22,567 --> 00:06:24,667 to giving it up altogether. 131 00:06:24,734 --> 00:06:26,001 Well, let's keep the pressure on her. 132 00:06:26,067 --> 00:06:27,567 Charge her with the murder, and then maybe 133 00:06:27,633 --> 00:06:28,867 we can avoid a trial altogether. 134 00:06:28,934 --> 00:06:30,067 But we have no weapon yet, no motive. 135 00:06:30,134 --> 00:06:31,267 An affair, for instance? 136 00:06:31,334 --> 00:06:32,533 His or hers? Either. 137 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:33,967 If it turns out to be that, 138 00:06:34,034 --> 00:06:36,034 I think we can get her to the table. 139 00:06:36,101 --> 00:06:37,267 She's a preacher's wife. 140 00:06:37,334 --> 00:06:39,001 She won't want her dirty laundry 141 00:06:39,067 --> 00:06:41,167 hanging out for everyone and his brother to see. 142 00:06:41,234 --> 00:06:42,567 Papers on the preacher's desk seem to indicate 143 00:06:42,633 --> 00:06:43,800 some financial distress in the Harris household. 144 00:06:43,867 --> 00:06:45,633 MAUREEN: A couple half-filled out 145 00:06:45,700 --> 00:06:47,667 credit card applications and one home equity loan. 146 00:06:47,734 --> 00:06:49,633 For how much? 147 00:06:49,700 --> 00:06:51,700 The max, 50 grand. 148 00:06:51,767 --> 00:06:53,368 Good, let's see what other doors open up. 149 00:06:53,434 --> 00:06:55,633 And let's do our homework with the members of the church, too. 150 00:06:55,700 --> 00:06:57,334 Preparations for the preacher's memorial service are underway. 151 00:06:57,401 --> 00:06:59,334 Might be a good time to make an appearance 152 00:06:59,401 --> 00:07:01,034 at the New Victory Church. We're on it. 153 00:07:01,101 --> 00:07:03,134 The jury's going to want to know 154 00:07:03,201 --> 00:07:05,533 what makes a preacher's wife kill. 155 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,699 }0<~t} is anywhere in this state 156 00:07:17,766 --> 00:07:19,499 where my client can get a fair trial, 157 00:07:19,566 --> 00:07:21,299 it certainly isn't Indianapolis. 158 00:07:21,366 --> 00:07:24,599 Now in light of the grotesque overexposure in the press... 159 00:07:24,666 --> 00:07:26,000 The overexposure in the press 160 00:07:26,065 --> 00:07:28,000 is the only reason Mr. Hellman has taken this case. 161 00:07:28,065 --> 00:07:30,032 The prosecution manipulated my client 162 00:07:30,099 --> 00:07:32,099 and prevented her from seeking legal counsel 163 00:07:32,165 --> 00:07:34,032 in her hour of need 164 00:07:34,099 --> 00:07:36,432 by pretending to be spiritually sympathetic. 165 00:07:36,499 --> 00:07:37,866 Just how did we manipulate her? 166 00:07:37,933 --> 00:07:40,566 By getting her to pray with you. How low can you go? 167 00:07:40,633 --> 00:07:43,199 That occurred at Mrs. Harris' request, not ours. 168 00:07:43,266 --> 00:07:46,199 And then to leak her anguish, her private prayer 169 00:07:46,266 --> 00:07:49,666 to the gutter press, who portray it as a confession, 170 00:07:49,733 --> 00:07:51,232 it's unconscionable. 171 00:07:51,299 --> 00:07:53,866 Our office leaked nothing and he knows it, Your Honor. 172 00:07:53,933 --> 00:07:57,065 Mr. Hellman, the press coverage in this case strikes me 173 00:07:57,132 --> 00:07:59,799 as not sufficient to taint the jury pool. Your Honor... 174 00:07:59,866 --> 00:08:00,833 Change of venue is denied. 175 00:08:00,900 --> 00:08:02,232 Well, then I respectfully request 176 00:08:02,299 --> 00:08:05,466 that my client be released on suitably modest bail. 177 00:08:05,533 --> 00:08:07,199 Your Honor, Mrs. Harris has fled this jurisdiction 178 00:08:07,266 --> 00:08:08,566 once already. 179 00:08:08,633 --> 00:08:10,599 She will be staying with members of her church, 180 00:08:10,666 --> 00:08:13,132 law-abiding people who will hardly be inclined 181 00:08:13,199 --> 00:08:15,065 to help her jump bail. 182 00:08:15,132 --> 00:08:17,000 Your Honor, the defendant admits fleeing the scene 183 00:08:17,065 --> 00:08:19,566 without reporting the crime to the police, 184 00:08:19,633 --> 00:08:21,232 or summoning help for the victim. 185 00:08:21,299 --> 00:08:23,733 Bail is set at $300,000. 186 00:08:23,799 --> 00:08:25,599 Why don't you just make it a million, Your Honor? 187 00:08:25,666 --> 00:08:28,065 Obviously my client can't raise that kind of money. 188 00:08:28,132 --> 00:08:30,266 But should she do so, Mr. Hellman, 189 00:08:30,332 --> 00:08:32,566 defendant will also submit to electronic monitoring. 190 00:08:32,633 --> 00:08:34,599 Yes, Your Honor. 191 00:08:34,666 --> 00:08:36,699 (gavel bangs) 192 00:08:39,266 --> 00:08:41,332 You did everything you could, Mr. Hellman. 193 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:42,699 I appreciate it. Thank you. 194 00:08:42,766 --> 00:08:43,833 And thanks for thbooks. 195 00:08:43,900 --> 00:08:46,599 I'll see you real soon. 196 00:08:46,666 --> 00:08:50,065 You should occasionally reconsider your world view 197 00:08:50,132 --> 00:08:52,733 that every defendant is guilty until proven innocent. 198 00:08:52,799 --> 00:08:54,900 That would make me a defense attorney, Doug. 199 00:08:54,966 --> 00:08:56,099 I'm a prosecutor. 200 00:08:56,165 --> 00:08:57,933 I have another theory. 201 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,032 Somebody leaked, "God forgive me" to the press. 202 00:09:01,099 --> 00:09:02,900 Obviously. 203 00:09:02,966 --> 00:09:04,132 Somebody looking for a smaller, 204 00:09:04,199 --> 00:09:05,966 more conservative venue, 205 00:09:06,032 --> 00:09:07,566 perhaps something more in tune 206 00:09:07,633 --> 00:09:09,533 with his client's religious views. 207 00:09:09,599 --> 00:09:12,165 You certainly have a vivid imagination. 208 00:09:12,232 --> 00:09:14,666 You are worth every penny. 209 00:09:14,733 --> 00:09:16,866 Since I'm doing this pro bono, 210 00:09:16,933 --> 00:09:18,966 a penny would actually be a raise. 211 00:09:19,032 --> 00:09:20,533 I'd have to give you a refund. 212 00:09:23,266 --> 00:09:24,633 I appreciate you coming in, Paul. 213 00:09:24,699 --> 00:09:27,332 I know Mr. Hellman counseled you not to speak to us. 214 00:09:27,399 --> 00:09:28,766 I'm only here to tell you 215 00:09:28,833 --> 00:09:31,332 my mother belongs at my father's funeral. 216 00:09:31,399 --> 00:09:33,900 I understand why you'd want her to be there. There's no way 217 00:09:33,966 --> 00:09:35,366 she could have done this. 218 00:09:35,432 --> 00:09:36,900 She's not a violent person. 219 00:09:36,966 --> 00:09:38,966 We've never kept guns in the house. 220 00:09:39,032 --> 00:09:41,132 Really? 221 00:09:41,199 --> 00:09:42,900 Why don't you tell me about your parents? 222 00:09:42,966 --> 00:09:45,866 Okay. 223 00:09:50,733 --> 00:09:51,900 Financial problems? 224 00:09:51,966 --> 00:09:53,266 Were they worried about money? 225 00:09:53,332 --> 00:09:54,633 I wouldn't know. 226 00:09:54,699 --> 00:09:56,666 I mean, they never talked about that sort of thing, 227 00:09:56,733 --> 00:09:57,833 not in front of me. 228 00:09:57,900 --> 00:10:00,533 Was your father at home much? 229 00:10:00,599 --> 00:10:03,332 He was on call 24 hours a day, seven days a week. 230 00:10:03,399 --> 00:10:05,199 But she wouldn't have killed him for that. 231 00:10:05,266 --> 00:10:07,766 No major problems with their marriage? 232 00:10:07,833 --> 00:10:09,432 No serious issues? 233 00:10:09,499 --> 00:10:12,666 What marriage doesn't have problems? 234 00:10:12,733 --> 00:10:15,199 My mother was in it for the long haul. 235 00:10:15,266 --> 00:10:16,366 She was a lifer. 236 00:10:16,432 --> 00:10:18,499 They both were. 237 00:10:18,566 --> 00:10:20,699 Can she please go to the funeral? 238 00:10:22,733 --> 00:10:24,633 I'm sorry. 239 00:10:24,699 --> 00:10:26,466 Not unless she can make bail. 240 00:10:29,266 --> 00:10:30,599 I'm the church secretary. 241 00:10:30,666 --> 00:10:33,900 I know exactly what this man has accomplished. 242 00:10:33,966 --> 00:10:36,499 My own son, Todd, 243 00:10:36,566 --> 00:10:39,299 Brother Jeff helped him stop drinking. 244 00:10:39,366 --> 00:10:42,000 Last year, I was diagnosed with breast cancer. 245 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,099 I understand. 246 00:10:47,165 --> 00:10:50,199 Brother Jeff... 247 00:10:50,266 --> 00:10:54,165 helped me come to terms with it, got me through the chemo. 248 00:10:59,766 --> 00:11:03,099 What about financial difficulties? 249 00:11:03,165 --> 00:11:05,199 Uh... 250 00:11:05,266 --> 00:11:07,466 Raising money for the new church 251 00:11:07,533 --> 00:11:10,766 was full of challenges, setbacks. 252 00:11:10,833 --> 00:11:12,599 I meant their personal finances. 253 00:11:14,633 --> 00:11:18,199 Uh, well, money was always tight. 254 00:11:20,199 --> 00:11:21,833 Far as I know, they were all right. 255 00:11:21,900 --> 00:11:25,199 Mrs. Monroe, did you know of any problems in their marriage? 256 00:11:28,132 --> 00:11:29,900 What are you insinuating? 257 00:11:29,966 --> 00:11:31,432 Just a routine question; I have to ask. 258 00:11:31,499 --> 00:11:32,933 Well, if I did, I sure wouldn't be 259 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,099 going around talking about it at a time like this. 260 00:11:36,165 --> 00:11:38,099 So there were problems. 261 00:11:38,165 --> 00:11:39,299 We're all in 262 00:11:39,366 --> 00:11:42,733 a tremendous amount of pain here. 263 00:11:42,799 --> 00:11:46,833 I'm pr... we're all praying for Martha. 264 00:11:51,866 --> 00:11:55,266 Been going over the Harris' finances. 265 00:11:55,332 --> 00:11:56,633 They were doing okay. 266 00:11:56,699 --> 00:11:57,900 Made more than I did. 267 00:11:57,966 --> 00:11:59,165 Found this in his desk drawer. 268 00:11:59,232 --> 00:12:00,833 Thought you might want to look at it. 269 00:12:06,666 --> 00:12:08,866 "On your special day, I'm sending you some special love. 270 00:12:08,933 --> 00:12:10,766 "Spending time with you 271 00:12:10,833 --> 00:12:12,432 "is the most incredible gift I've ever received. 272 00:12:12,499 --> 00:12:14,833 "You are the light of my life. Signed..." 273 00:12:14,900 --> 00:12:17,633 "Your love lifts me higher. Joan." 274 00:12:17,699 --> 00:12:19,065 That's not his wife's name. 275 00:12:19,132 --> 00:12:20,099 It's his secretary, 276 00:12:20,165 --> 00:12:21,099 Joan Monroe. 277 00:12:21,165 --> 00:12:22,766 Just met her. 278 00:12:22,833 --> 00:12:24,699 Look at all the schoolgirl hearts she's drawn there. 279 00:12:24,766 --> 00:12:25,799 And the pressed flower? 280 00:12:25,866 --> 00:12:27,332 So over the top. 281 00:12:27,399 --> 00:12:30,533 If the preacher was having an inappropriate relationship... 282 00:12:30,599 --> 00:12:33,199 I can see how Martha Harris could get that idea. 283 00:12:33,266 --> 00:12:35,633 And look at this. 284 00:12:35,699 --> 00:12:37,065 The Harris' phone records. 285 00:12:37,132 --> 00:12:38,666 The last call 286 00:12:38,733 --> 00:12:41,599 made from the Harris' house was to Joan Monroe's. 287 00:12:41,666 --> 00:12:44,866 Preacher and the secretary spent all kinds of time together, 288 00:12:44,933 --> 00:12:46,466 raising money, talking on the phone, 289 00:12:46,533 --> 00:12:47,933 wife finds out... 290 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,799 I think you should speak to Joan Monroe again. 291 00:12:49,866 --> 00:12:52,533 And we'll see what Martha Harris makes of this birthday card. 292 00:12:52,599 --> 00:12:55,399 All righty. 293 00:12:55,466 --> 00:12:58,232 What can you tell us about Joan Monroe? 294 00:12:58,299 --> 00:13:01,132 Uh, she took over as church secretary when I stepped down 295 00:13:01,199 --> 00:13:03,000 last year from the job. She replaced you. 296 00:13:03,065 --> 00:13:05,032 I'd had my turn. 297 00:13:05,099 --> 00:13:08,065 Have you seen this before? 298 00:13:09,900 --> 00:13:12,966 Um, Jeff received literally 299 00:13:13,032 --> 00:13:15,399 a hundred cards on his birthday. 300 00:13:15,466 --> 00:13:18,299 This particular one is from Joan Monroe. 301 00:13:18,366 --> 00:13:21,165 ANNABETH: We were wondering if he may have had 302 00:13:21,232 --> 00:13:24,366 a special relationship with his secretary. 303 00:13:24,432 --> 00:13:26,432 Special? 304 00:13:26,499 --> 00:13:28,266 Especially close. 305 00:13:28,332 --> 00:13:30,232 So this is a fishing trip, hmm? 306 00:13:30,299 --> 00:13:31,332 Nice day for it. 307 00:13:31,399 --> 00:13:32,833 You're mistaken. 308 00:13:32,900 --> 00:13:35,032 She was not special to him. 309 00:13:35,099 --> 00:13:37,533 So she wasn't having an affair with your husband? 310 00:13:37,599 --> 00:13:41,666 Joan Monroe is a hardworking woman who loves the Lord. 311 00:13:41,733 --> 00:13:44,132 My husband appreciated her dedication. 312 00:13:44,199 --> 00:13:46,000 And I can see that the two of you 313 00:13:46,065 --> 00:13:47,733 share a similar dedication to your work, 314 00:13:47,799 --> 00:13:49,866 but I really do not want to be 315 00:13:49,933 --> 00:13:52,366 thought of as a jealous, suspicious wife, 316 00:13:52,432 --> 00:13:53,966 which I've never been. 317 00:13:54,032 --> 00:13:55,900 Nor do I want my husband to be remembered 318 00:13:55,966 --> 00:13:58,199 as involved in any way with that woman. 319 00:14:02,533 --> 00:14:04,366 "That woman"? 320 00:14:04,432 --> 00:14:06,399 I'm no preacher's kid, but I don't think 321 00:14:06,466 --> 00:14:07,733 she much likes Joan Monroe. 322 00:14:07,799 --> 00:14:09,299 Oh, you know, my mother, 323 00:14:09,366 --> 00:14:11,299 she would never say anything bad about anybody in the church. 324 00:14:11,366 --> 00:14:12,332 Afraid of the backlash? 325 00:14:12,399 --> 00:14:13,332 No, I think 326 00:14:13,399 --> 00:14:14,499 she was worried if she started, 327 00:14:14,566 --> 00:14:15,633 she wouldn't be able to stop. 328 00:14:15,699 --> 00:14:16,633 (bell dings) 329 00:14:16,699 --> 00:14:18,399 (chuckles) 330 00:14:18,466 --> 00:14:21,199 Did you miss your dad after he moved out? 331 00:14:21,266 --> 00:14:23,065 I didn't have a lot of time for that. 332 00:14:23,132 --> 00:14:26,266 I had to help my mom raise my brothers and sisters. 333 00:14:26,332 --> 00:14:28,332 Yeah. I missed him. 334 00:14:32,866 --> 00:14:34,099 Mrs. Monroe. 335 00:14:34,165 --> 00:14:36,000 My partner and I would like a word with you. 336 00:14:36,065 --> 00:14:37,000 Detective. 337 00:14:37,065 --> 00:14:39,432 I'm in a bit of a rush. 338 00:14:39,499 --> 00:14:41,432 There's still a million things yet to do. 339 00:14:41,499 --> 00:14:43,699 Then we'll get right to it. We believe you were having 340 00:14:43,766 --> 00:14:47,000 an inappropriate relationship with Pastor Harris. 341 00:14:47,065 --> 00:14:48,766 Inappropriate? 342 00:14:48,833 --> 00:14:51,065 You know, extramarital. 343 00:14:53,099 --> 00:14:55,132 Whatever gave you that idea? 344 00:14:55,199 --> 00:14:57,499 We found a birthday card. 345 00:14:57,566 --> 00:15:01,966 There was nothing inappropriate about that birthday card. 346 00:15:02,032 --> 00:15:04,266 I know where you're getting this. 347 00:15:04,332 --> 00:15:06,432 It's her, isn't it? 348 00:15:06,499 --> 00:15:07,533 It's Martha. 349 00:15:07,599 --> 00:15:09,232 Poor woman. 350 00:15:09,299 --> 00:15:11,132 She never knew what a truly 351 00:15:11,199 --> 00:15:13,199 righteous man she had. 352 00:15:15,666 --> 00:15:18,900 Brother Jeff told me how jealous she was, 353 00:15:18,966 --> 00:15:20,199 because we were spending 354 00:15:20,266 --> 00:15:23,065 so much time together on the building fund. 355 00:15:23,132 --> 00:15:24,065 We laughed about it. 356 00:15:24,132 --> 00:15:27,199 That's how absurd it was. 357 00:15:27,266 --> 00:15:29,332 I'm sorry, if there's nothing else, 358 00:15:29,399 --> 00:15:30,699 I really have to get going. 359 00:15:30,766 --> 00:15:31,933 Let me help you with that. 360 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,466 It's fine, I can manage. 361 00:15:33,533 --> 00:15:35,232 It's no problem. 362 00:15:35,299 --> 00:15:36,699 Oh, it's heavy. Thank you. 363 00:15:36,766 --> 00:15:39,533 Just put it in the backseat here. 364 00:15:41,466 --> 00:15:43,933 It's better in the trunk, 365 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,399 don't you think? 366 00:15:45,466 --> 00:15:47,866 No, the backseat's fine, really. 367 00:15:47,933 --> 00:15:50,533 Let's put it in the trunk. 368 00:15:50,599 --> 00:15:51,833 It's full. 369 00:15:51,900 --> 00:15:53,966 I'm sure we can squeeze it in. 370 00:15:55,966 --> 00:15:57,533 Mrs. Monroe, open the trunk, please. 371 00:15:57,599 --> 00:15:58,866 Now. 372 00:16:00,666 --> 00:16:02,132 All right. 373 00:16:09,266 --> 00:16:10,833 Cleaning out the office? 374 00:16:10,900 --> 00:16:14,232 Like I said, lots to do. 375 00:16:16,633 --> 00:16:18,466 She told us everything right there on the street. 376 00:16:18,533 --> 00:16:19,866 On the day Pastor Harris died, 377 00:16:19,933 --> 00:16:21,833 the church building fund disappeared. 378 00:16:21,900 --> 00:16:25,199 All $267,000 wiped out. 379 00:16:25,266 --> 00:16:26,366 Gone? 380 00:16:26,432 --> 00:16:27,466 Internet scam. 381 00:16:27,533 --> 00:16:29,032 Oldest one in the book. 382 00:16:29,099 --> 00:16:30,366 The Nigerian letter. 383 00:16:30,432 --> 00:16:31,799 VEGA: I got one of those once. 384 00:16:31,866 --> 00:16:33,399 People are still falling for that? 385 00:16:33,466 --> 00:16:34,966 We've got Randall looking 386 00:16:35,032 --> 00:16:36,132 at the church computer now, 387 00:16:36,199 --> 00:16:37,933 so we don't have a full picture yet. 388 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,766 And the bags of shredded documents? 389 00:16:39,833 --> 00:16:41,533 Joan Monroe says she didn't want 390 00:16:41,599 --> 00:16:43,332 the preacher to be remembered at his funeral 391 00:16:43,399 --> 00:16:45,399 as the guy who lost the church building fund. 392 00:16:45,466 --> 00:16:47,599 Shredding documents isn't going to stop anyone 393 00:16:47,666 --> 00:16:49,266 from finding out the money's missing. 394 00:16:49,332 --> 00:16:52,299 Maybe she was trying to delay that unpleasant revelation 395 00:16:52,366 --> 00:16:54,065 until after his funeral. 396 00:16:54,132 --> 00:16:55,299 Any chance of recovering the funds? 397 00:16:55,366 --> 00:16:56,566 Long gone. 398 00:16:56,633 --> 00:16:58,399 International wire transfer to Africa. 399 00:16:58,466 --> 00:17:00,032 Let's say that 400 00:17:00,099 --> 00:17:02,132 the preacher and his secretary were having an affair. 401 00:17:02,199 --> 00:17:03,366 That's what it's looking like. 402 00:17:03,432 --> 00:17:04,966 The preacher loses 403 00:17:05,032 --> 00:17:08,499 $267,000 of the church's money that the congregation 404 00:17:08,566 --> 00:17:10,766 had worked so hard to raise. 405 00:17:10,833 --> 00:17:12,499 Another good reason for his wife to whack him. 406 00:17:12,566 --> 00:17:14,266 On the other hand, 407 00:17:14,332 --> 00:17:17,399 if the secretary was involved in losing the church's money... 408 00:17:17,466 --> 00:17:21,132 My money is still on the missus, not the mistress. 409 00:17:21,199 --> 00:17:24,132 }w 410 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,099 w~V{ Hey. Hey. 411 00:17:33,499 --> 00:17:35,967 This is the warrant to search Joan Monroe's house. 412 00:17:36,033 --> 00:17:38,800 I know this money thing has come into the case, 413 00:17:38,867 --> 00:17:40,800 but my intuition says it's still about jealousy. 414 00:17:40,867 --> 00:17:42,399 And losing the money? 415 00:17:42,466 --> 00:17:44,633 Maybe that led to Martha Harris finding out about the affair. 416 00:17:44,700 --> 00:17:47,100 Well, I just got off the phone with the church deacons, 417 00:17:47,167 --> 00:17:49,067 and agreed to share with them what we know 418 00:17:49,133 --> 00:17:50,766 about the loss of the building fund. 419 00:17:50,833 --> 00:17:53,067 Can you put together some sort of summary for them? Sure. 420 00:17:53,133 --> 00:17:55,334 I don't think it's going to make them feel any better 421 00:17:55,399 --> 00:17:57,033 about their pastor though. Where you going? 422 00:17:57,100 --> 00:17:59,300 To talk to his wife again, see if she knows anything 423 00:17:59,366 --> 00:18:00,733 about this missing money. 424 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:02,399 If your dad lost every penny of his church's money... 425 00:18:02,466 --> 00:18:06,566 My mom would have skinned him alive. 426 00:18:11,700 --> 00:18:13,167 Mrs. Harris, were you aware that, 427 00:18:13,234 --> 00:18:14,766 the day your husband was killed, 428 00:18:14,833 --> 00:18:16,733 he had lost the entire church building fund 429 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:17,933 in an Internet scam? 430 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,167 No matter how many times you ask, 431 00:18:20,234 --> 00:18:22,133 she is not going to answer that question. 432 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:23,566 You should know 433 00:18:23,633 --> 00:18:25,167 the church is now forced to withdraw its offer 434 00:18:25,234 --> 00:18:27,334 to buy the land at the corner of Washington and Central. 435 00:18:27,399 --> 00:18:29,633 And your source is this church secretary, 436 00:18:29,700 --> 00:18:32,234 Joan Monroe, right? Funny how that name 437 00:18:32,300 --> 00:18:33,399 keeps coming up. 438 00:18:33,466 --> 00:18:34,766 She told us some very interesting things 439 00:18:34,833 --> 00:18:36,733 about Pastor Harris. No doubt. 440 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,833 And did you manage to keep her lawyer out of the room, too? We know that 441 00:18:39,900 --> 00:18:42,033 the loss of this money and the preacher's murder are connected. 442 00:18:42,100 --> 00:18:43,167 Well, if you knew it for sure, 443 00:18:43,234 --> 00:18:44,666 you wouldn't be baiting my client. 444 00:18:44,733 --> 00:18:46,967 I don't know what that woman told you. 445 00:18:47,033 --> 00:18:49,133 You keep calling her "that woman." Let it go. 446 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,334 She's just trying to get a rise out of you. 447 00:18:51,399 --> 00:18:53,766 The Nigerians took the money, not my husband. 448 00:18:55,466 --> 00:18:57,933 I never mentioned Nigerians. 449 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,967 I guess you answered my question after all. 450 00:19:02,033 --> 00:19:05,499 We're searching Mrs. Monroe's house as we speak. 451 00:19:08,833 --> 00:19:12,399 Hard time believing people fall for this Nigerian Internet scam. 452 00:19:12,466 --> 00:19:14,300 They don't fall for it all at once. 453 00:19:14,366 --> 00:19:16,666 It's one little hook at a time. 454 00:19:16,733 --> 00:19:19,167 Don't forget they were trying to raise money for the new church. 455 00:19:19,234 --> 00:19:20,499 Yeah. They got greedy. 456 00:19:20,566 --> 00:19:23,000 That's how people usually get scammed. 457 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,000 Look at this. 458 00:19:34,067 --> 00:19:36,234 Power tool case? 459 00:19:36,300 --> 00:19:37,466 If you consider a nine millimeter 460 00:19:37,533 --> 00:19:38,499 Glock 17 a power tool. 461 00:19:38,566 --> 00:19:40,366 A lot of people would. 462 00:19:40,433 --> 00:19:43,100 It's empty. 463 00:19:45,433 --> 00:19:46,833 The weapon was registered to Joan Monroe. 464 00:19:46,900 --> 00:19:48,566 Anybody else have access to the gun? 465 00:19:48,633 --> 00:19:50,067 Her husband died years ago, 466 00:19:50,133 --> 00:19:52,833 but her son Todd lives with her-- Ray's trying 467 00:19:52,900 --> 00:19:55,633 to locate him now. You think Joan Monroe did this? 468 00:19:55,700 --> 00:19:58,833 Maybe Pastor Harris insisted she take the blame 469 00:19:58,900 --> 00:20:01,000 for the Internet scam. People of faith 470 00:20:01,067 --> 00:20:03,566 are particularly vulnerable to these sorts of cons. 471 00:20:03,633 --> 00:20:04,967 Because they're so darn trusting? 472 00:20:05,033 --> 00:20:08,366 You sound dubious. A little. 473 00:20:08,433 --> 00:20:10,666 I mean, just because you go to church doesn't make you 474 00:20:10,733 --> 00:20:12,133 some dewy-eyed, innocent babe in the woods. 475 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:13,366 I know what you mean, 476 00:20:13,433 --> 00:20:14,733 but I'm just saying, 477 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,366 if you knew which buttons to push, 478 00:20:16,433 --> 00:20:18,234 a smart operator can take advantage. 479 00:20:18,300 --> 00:20:19,833 You think that's what happened here? 480 00:20:19,900 --> 00:20:21,300 Well, Ed's in with Randal 481 00:20:21,366 --> 00:20:23,933 right now looking at all the grisly details. 482 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,766 It was a classic affinity scam. 483 00:20:25,833 --> 00:20:27,466 Affinity? 484 00:20:27,533 --> 00:20:29,133 You're a good Christian, I'm a good Christian-- 485 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:30,399 you can trust me. 486 00:20:30,466 --> 00:20:31,633 See, my antennae's up right there. 487 00:20:31,700 --> 00:20:32,933 Most people's would be, 488 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,833 but these guys are sophisticated. 489 00:20:34,900 --> 00:20:37,033 They personalize things, like, 490 00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:38,967 "Pastor Harris, we've heard about your 491 00:20:39,033 --> 00:20:40,399 "church building project. Here in Nigeria, 492 00:20:40,466 --> 00:20:43,033 "we dream of building a hospital for the poor. 493 00:20:43,100 --> 00:20:45,033 Perhaps we can help one another." 494 00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:46,600 So it's a win-win. 495 00:20:46,666 --> 00:20:48,366 We get our hospital, you get your church. Mm-hmm. 496 00:20:48,433 --> 00:20:49,800 So what do they want help with? 497 00:20:49,867 --> 00:20:52,600 Getting $15 million out of their country. 498 00:20:52,666 --> 00:20:54,733 All they need 499 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,300 is an American bank account to deposit the $15 million in. 500 00:20:57,366 --> 00:20:58,533 Why? 501 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,267 Because they claim some corrupt 502 00:21:00,334 --> 00:21:02,267 Nigerian officials are going to steal it. 503 00:21:02,334 --> 00:21:06,067 Okay. And in exchange for doing this good deed? 504 00:21:06,133 --> 00:21:08,700 30% of the $15 million. 505 00:21:08,766 --> 00:21:12,200 So Pastor Harris gives them the account number 506 00:21:12,267 --> 00:21:14,933 and, the next thing you know, it's bye-bye building fund. 507 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,234 So long, farewell, adios. 508 00:21:16,300 --> 00:21:17,900 But why not open up a separate account? 509 00:21:17,967 --> 00:21:20,399 Why give up the building account? 510 00:21:20,466 --> 00:21:21,900 According to church bylaws, 511 00:21:21,967 --> 00:21:23,633 that would have required approval from the deacons. 512 00:21:23,700 --> 00:21:24,833 And he didn't want them to know? 513 00:21:24,900 --> 00:21:25,867 Maybe he thought they would 514 00:21:25,933 --> 00:21:27,366 nix the deal, too risky. 515 00:21:27,433 --> 00:21:28,766 They'd have been right. 516 00:21:28,833 --> 00:21:30,334 How'd the Nigerians convince them 517 00:21:30,399 --> 00:21:32,499 they had $15 million in the first place? 518 00:21:32,566 --> 00:21:37,399 Yeah. This is an attachment to an e-mail dated 519 00:21:37,466 --> 00:21:39,933 two days before the pastor was killed. 520 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,900 DRUMMER: That's a lot of money. 521 00:21:41,967 --> 00:21:46,733 Enough to make people do some crazy-ass things. 522 00:21:49,399 --> 00:21:51,466 We've been assuming the loss of the building fund 523 00:21:51,533 --> 00:21:53,000 was somehow tied to the murder. 524 00:21:53,067 --> 00:21:54,334 but before that money disappeared, 525 00:21:54,399 --> 00:21:55,967 the preacher, Joan Monroe, 526 00:21:56,033 --> 00:21:57,200 and maybe even his wife, 527 00:21:57,267 --> 00:21:59,133 thought millions of dollars were on the way. 528 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:00,967 The preacher's end was 30% of $15 million-- 529 00:22:01,033 --> 00:22:02,300 four and a half mil. 530 00:22:02,366 --> 00:22:03,533 You're saying the preacher was killed 531 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:04,833 by somebody trying to get their hands 532 00:22:04,900 --> 00:22:06,100 on that money, even though it never existed? 533 00:22:06,167 --> 00:22:07,566 Well, the preacher believed it existed, 534 00:22:07,633 --> 00:22:09,033 and he believed it was coming. 535 00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:10,466 And these people believed the preacher, 536 00:22:10,533 --> 00:22:12,167 so in their mind... It was coming. 537 00:22:12,234 --> 00:22:13,366 Money in the bank. 538 00:22:13,433 --> 00:22:15,466 We've located Joan Monroe's son. 539 00:22:15,533 --> 00:22:18,067 {i1}Cops in Ohio caught him{i} {i1}switching a license plate.{i} 540 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,733 {i1}They found{i} {i1}a nine-millimeter Glock 17.{i} 541 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,533 His mama's gun. 542 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,300 Excuse me while I get the extradition ball rolling. 543 00:22:27,366 --> 00:22:28,700 DRUMMER: {i1}You were a member{i} 544 00:22:28,766 --> 00:22:30,267 of the New Victory Church, correct? 545 00:22:30,334 --> 00:22:32,100 I played drums in the band there 546 00:22:32,167 --> 00:22:33,800 three times a week, that's correct. 547 00:22:33,867 --> 00:22:35,633 So what were you doing in Ohio 548 00:22:35,700 --> 00:22:37,700 switching the license plates on your car? 549 00:22:37,766 --> 00:22:39,900 I was going to visit a buddy of mine 550 00:22:39,967 --> 00:22:41,633 and I noticed my tags were expired, 551 00:22:41,700 --> 00:22:44,334 and I was, like, I don't want to get pulled over 552 00:22:44,399 --> 00:22:46,234 because I have a lot of parking tickets. 553 00:22:46,300 --> 00:22:47,533 I know it's pretty stupid. 554 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,600 Where'd you get the stolen plates? 555 00:22:49,666 --> 00:22:52,033 I had 'em in my garage. 556 00:22:52,100 --> 00:22:54,334 Not the sharpest knife in the drawer. 557 00:22:54,399 --> 00:22:56,867 Or that's what he wants you to think. 558 00:22:56,933 --> 00:22:59,399 Let's talk about your mother's gun-- 559 00:22:59,466 --> 00:23:03,433 the murder weapon-- which was found in {i1}your{i} car. 560 00:23:03,499 --> 00:23:06,499 I didn't have anything to do with Pastor Harris's murder. 561 00:23:06,566 --> 00:23:08,533 Your mother know you took off with her gun? 562 00:23:10,433 --> 00:23:12,766 She give it to you to get rid of? 563 00:23:12,833 --> 00:23:15,000 My mom had nothing to do with it, either. 564 00:23:15,067 --> 00:23:16,600 Then who did? 565 00:23:16,666 --> 00:23:19,766 You've already got her. 566 00:23:19,833 --> 00:23:22,234 It was Martha-- she did it. 567 00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:24,200 The preacher's wife. 568 00:23:24,267 --> 00:23:27,067 How do you know that? 569 00:23:30,833 --> 00:23:33,833 Because I was sleeping with her. 570 00:23:41,666 --> 00:23:42,933 Talk to me about Todd. 571 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,334 Alcoholic, couldn't hold a job. 572 00:23:44,399 --> 00:23:46,000 Pastor Harris got him into rehab, 573 00:23:46,067 --> 00:23:48,267 found him a job in a shoe store 574 00:23:48,334 --> 00:23:50,566 and let him play in the church band. 575 00:23:50,633 --> 00:23:52,867 So naturally he killed the man who saved his life. 576 00:23:52,933 --> 00:23:55,566 Some people don't know how to receive. Something about 577 00:23:55,633 --> 00:23:57,267 a serpent's tooth and an ungrateful child? 578 00:23:57,334 --> 00:23:58,700 What about the affair? 579 00:23:58,766 --> 00:24:00,700 The motel in Madison where Mrs. Harris was arrested. 580 00:24:00,766 --> 00:24:02,633 Todd said that's where they would meet. 581 00:24:02,700 --> 00:24:06,566 They drive 200 miles round-trip to conduct the affair? 582 00:24:06,633 --> 00:24:08,733 I believe it-- she really wanted to make sure 583 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,666 no one from her church would find out. 584 00:24:10,733 --> 00:24:12,300 Hotel record-- Todd Monroe, every Thursday 585 00:24:12,366 --> 00:24:14,700 around 3:00 p.m., going back at least 586 00:24:14,766 --> 00:24:17,600 a couple of months. Confirms the affair for me. 587 00:24:17,666 --> 00:24:19,900 So Todd Monroe is saying Martha Harris did it. 588 00:24:19,967 --> 00:24:21,167 Is he saying why? 589 00:24:21,234 --> 00:24:23,267 He don't want to talk about that. 590 00:24:23,334 --> 00:24:25,334 Yeah, but when we told him we knew everything 591 00:24:25,399 --> 00:24:27,433 about the Nigerian scam, he immediately said Mrs. Harris 592 00:24:27,499 --> 00:24:30,033 killed her husband because she was after the $4 1/2 million. 593 00:24:30,100 --> 00:24:32,399 But there never was any money. 594 00:24:32,466 --> 00:24:34,700 That doesn't matter-- they thought there was. 595 00:24:34,766 --> 00:24:36,900 But Todd's the one with the gun in his car. 596 00:24:36,967 --> 00:24:39,133 Isn't he the likely shooter here? I would think so, 597 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,566 but we can't place him at the scene. 598 00:24:41,633 --> 00:24:42,867 Now, if Martha's affair with Todd 599 00:24:42,933 --> 00:24:44,366 were made public, a much younger man, 600 00:24:44,433 --> 00:24:46,533 and when we tell her that Todd 601 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,867 is telling us that she killed her husband... 602 00:24:48,933 --> 00:24:50,433 She'd feel betrayed. 603 00:24:50,499 --> 00:24:52,700 She might even turn on him. 604 00:24:52,766 --> 00:24:55,633 I'm counting on the two of you to make her feel really bad. 605 00:24:57,334 --> 00:24:59,399 HELLMAN: {i1}These frequent visits{i} 606 00:24:59,466 --> 00:25:01,800 with my client seem to indicate a certain lack 607 00:25:01,867 --> 00:25:04,267 of confidence in your case against her. 608 00:25:04,334 --> 00:25:05,867 We've arrested Todd Monroe 609 00:25:05,933 --> 00:25:08,300 in connection with Pastor Harris's murder. 610 00:25:08,366 --> 00:25:10,234 As I said. 611 00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:14,766 He told us he and Mrs. Harris met regularly at a motel 612 00:25:14,833 --> 00:25:16,433 in Madison, Indiana. 613 00:25:16,499 --> 00:25:17,733 His story checks out. 614 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,900 If we go to trial, Mrs. Harris, 615 00:25:19,967 --> 00:25:22,600 everyone will hear about the affair. 616 00:25:24,666 --> 00:25:27,766 He told us you killed your husband for the money. 617 00:25:27,833 --> 00:25:30,900 My husband and I didn't have any money. Mrs. Harris, 618 00:25:30,967 --> 00:25:32,800 Todd Monroe said you killed your husband 619 00:25:32,867 --> 00:25:34,766 because you wanted the millions of dollars 620 00:25:34,833 --> 00:25:36,633 he was expecting from Nigeria. 621 00:25:36,700 --> 00:25:38,633 Nobody had millions of dollars. 622 00:25:38,700 --> 00:25:40,067 I don't know what Todd 623 00:25:40,133 --> 00:25:42,000 is talking about. 624 00:25:42,067 --> 00:25:43,800 He killed my husband because of {i1}me.{i} 625 00:25:45,300 --> 00:25:47,133 Martha, 626 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,300 as your attorney, if you have 627 00:25:49,366 --> 00:25:54,466 anything to say to these ladies, now would be a good moment. 628 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,533 It wasn't a normal Saturday night. 629 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:04,733 How so? 630 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,533 My husband was very upset about something, 631 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,334 and I thought he had found out about me and Todd. 632 00:26:10,399 --> 00:26:12,833 And I said, "Jeff, you have to tell me 633 00:26:12,900 --> 00:26:14,200 what's going on." 634 00:26:14,267 --> 00:26:15,867 He said he had done 635 00:26:15,933 --> 00:26:17,733 a stupid, stupid thing. 636 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,133 He had trusted somebody on the Internet 637 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,499 and had lost the building fund money. 638 00:26:22,566 --> 00:26:25,967 He said the people in the church would never forgive him. 639 00:26:26,033 --> 00:26:28,300 'd go to prison. 640 00:26:28,366 --> 00:26:31,000 And he told me I should leave him. 641 00:26:31,067 --> 00:26:33,900 And what did you say? I said {i1}he{i} wasn't 642 00:26:33,967 --> 00:26:36,833 the horrible person, {i1}I{i} was the horrible person. 643 00:26:36,900 --> 00:26:39,167 {i1}I{i} was the one having the affair. 644 00:26:39,234 --> 00:26:42,000 You confessed your affair to him? 645 00:26:42,067 --> 00:26:45,366 And we talked and prayed... 646 00:26:45,433 --> 00:26:47,833 and Jeff forgave me. 647 00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:50,234 He just forgave me. 648 00:26:50,300 --> 00:26:53,833 I know this is going to sound strange, 649 00:26:53,900 --> 00:26:57,800 but it was the closest we'd been in years. 650 00:27:02,133 --> 00:27:04,067 And then he called Todd. 651 00:27:04,133 --> 00:27:06,267 Could you hear 652 00:27:06,334 --> 00:27:08,733 what he said to him? He said, "I know 653 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,867 about everything," and to "Come over right now, Todd." 654 00:27:13,933 --> 00:27:17,200 And when he hung up the phone, he asked me to leave 655 00:27:17,267 --> 00:27:20,533 and to come back in a couple hours. 656 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:25,133 The last thing that my husband ever said to me in this world 657 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,300 was to bless me for having the courage to tell the truth. 658 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,933 And when I came home... 659 00:27:39,533 --> 00:27:40,900 Your husband died 660 00:27:40,967 --> 00:27:43,933 when he confronted Todd Monroe over the affair. 661 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,300 This is God's judgment on me. 662 00:27:48,366 --> 00:27:50,666 (exhales) 663 00:27:50,733 --> 00:27:52,267 Ladies. 664 00:27:56,300 --> 00:27:58,766 She needs to agree to tell this story to a jury. 665 00:27:58,833 --> 00:28:01,800 And you will dismiss all charges against her. 666 00:28:03,566 --> 00:28:05,967 We will dismiss the charges. 667 00:28:14,566 --> 00:28:17,133 I have to talk about everything? 668 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,733 Everything. 669 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,399 How your husband telling you 670 00:28:21,466 --> 00:28:23,334 he lost the church's money led you 671 00:28:23,399 --> 00:28:24,933 to confess your affair with Todd, 672 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,933 which led to the fatal confrontation 673 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,466 between the two of them. 674 00:28:28,533 --> 00:28:30,334 And you'll need to tell the jury just how 675 00:28:30,399 --> 00:28:33,067 the affair started. 676 00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:36,800 When my son Paul went to college, 677 00:28:36,867 --> 00:28:38,167 Jeff threw himself full-time 678 00:28:38,234 --> 00:28:40,433 into raising money for the church. 679 00:28:40,499 --> 00:28:43,533 I felt like he was avoiding me. 680 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,666 I was so lonely. 681 00:28:45,733 --> 00:28:47,100 That sounds tough. 682 00:28:47,167 --> 00:28:48,867 And then my husband decided 683 00:28:48,933 --> 00:28:51,600 to introduce a more contemporary service 684 00:28:51,666 --> 00:28:54,267 to attract new membership, and he told me 685 00:28:54,334 --> 00:28:57,600 that nobody really liked the music we had always sung. 686 00:28:57,666 --> 00:29:00,800 So I sang my last solo, the last one that 687 00:29:00,867 --> 00:29:03,000 I would ever sing in my life, 688 00:29:03,067 --> 00:29:06,466 and who was the only person who came up to me after? 689 00:29:06,533 --> 00:29:08,433 Todd Monroe. 690 00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:12,000 He said that I had the most beautiful voice 691 00:29:12,067 --> 00:29:13,600 God had ever heard. 692 00:29:13,666 --> 00:29:17,733 It was the kindest thing that anyone had ever said to me. 693 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,033 You need to understand that he was a listener. 694 00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:22,900 I mean, everybody listens to a preacher, 695 00:29:22,967 --> 00:29:26,100 but nobody listens to a preacher's wife. 696 00:29:26,167 --> 00:29:27,766 Whenever I was with him, 697 00:29:27,833 --> 00:29:32,267 he would always say, "Tell me everything." 698 00:29:32,334 --> 00:29:35,033 He listened to you. 699 00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:38,334 He listened. 700 00:29:40,234 --> 00:29:41,334 MARTHA: {i1}Jeff said, "I know,{i} 701 00:29:41,399 --> 00:29:42,833 I know about everything," 702 00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:45,566 and then he asked Todd to come over and talk. 703 00:29:45,633 --> 00:29:47,867 I left, and when I came back, Jeff was dead. 704 00:29:47,933 --> 00:29:50,067 ANNABETH: We would like 705 00:29:50,133 --> 00:29:53,733 to enter into evidence Pastor Harris's phone records. 706 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,600 Last phone call he made was to Joan Monroe's house, 707 00:29:56,666 --> 00:29:57,833 where the defendant 708 00:29:57,900 --> 00:30:00,133 was residing. 709 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,533 Mrs. Harris, one last question. 710 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,334 Why didn't you call 911 when you found your husband's body? 711 00:30:07,633 --> 00:30:10,267 I felt responsible, and I was scared 712 00:30:10,334 --> 00:30:12,700 that everything about the affair would come out. 713 00:30:12,766 --> 00:30:15,133 I didn't know what to do. 714 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,566 And then I kept thinking, if I hadn't been unfaithful 715 00:30:19,633 --> 00:30:22,399 (crying softly): Jeff would still be alive. 716 00:30:22,466 --> 00:30:24,733 ANNABETH: No further questions, 717 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,800 Your Honor. 718 00:30:29,067 --> 00:30:32,733 I just have a few questions, Mrs. Harris. 719 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,366 You were at one time the church secretary 720 00:30:35,433 --> 00:30:37,666 for New Victory Evangelical, were you not? 721 00:30:37,733 --> 00:30:40,499 Uh, briefly last year. So you have a working knowledge 722 00:30:40,566 --> 00:30:42,167 of the church's finances-- 723 00:30:42,234 --> 00:30:43,666 bank accounts, passwords, 724 00:30:43,733 --> 00:30:45,800 user names? I did. 725 00:30:45,867 --> 00:30:47,566 Your Honor, I would like 726 00:30:47,633 --> 00:30:49,533 to read this piece of correspondence 727 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,433 from the Southern Guarantee Bank of Costa Rica. 728 00:30:52,499 --> 00:30:55,167 Objection, Your Honor-- we are unaware of any such letter. 729 00:30:55,234 --> 00:30:57,399 That's 'cause it just arrived in the mail. 730 00:30:57,466 --> 00:30:59,433 Counselors, to the bench. 731 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,433 ANNABETH: Are we just supposed to take this at face value, Your Honor? 732 00:31:05,499 --> 00:31:07,433 We have no way of authenticating 733 00:31:07,499 --> 00:31:09,600 these documents. I agree, Miss Chase. 734 00:31:09,666 --> 00:31:11,600 This is, uh, quite a development. 735 00:31:11,666 --> 00:31:13,600 I suggest we take a recess 736 00:31:13,666 --> 00:31:15,566 and convene in my chambers. 737 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,666 "Dear Mrs. Harris, 738 00:31:19,733 --> 00:31:24,800 "thank you for your recent deposit of $267,000.38, 739 00:31:24,867 --> 00:31:26,466 USD." 740 00:31:26,533 --> 00:31:31,133 Mrs. Harris, how much money was in the church building fund 741 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,933 when it was wiped out? $267,000. 742 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,334 Did you take that money 743 00:31:34,399 --> 00:31:36,733 and place it in an offshore account? 744 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,466 I don't even know what an offshore account is. 745 00:31:40,533 --> 00:31:42,600 Well, Southern Guarantee Bank seems to be familiar with {i1}you.{i} 746 00:31:42,666 --> 00:31:45,234 And I'm wondering, Annabeth, how do you explain 747 00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:47,967 this post office box she shares with my client? 748 00:31:49,967 --> 00:31:54,766 Uh, Mrs. Harris, is this document accurate? 749 00:31:54,833 --> 00:31:58,600 That's my signature, but I didn't sign that. 750 00:31:58,666 --> 00:32:01,234 I can see how this must be 751 00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:03,300 very upsetting to everyone, 752 00:32:03,366 --> 00:32:07,499 but I have to tell you, I'm not upset, I'm relieved. 753 00:32:09,100 --> 00:32:11,466 You're relieved? The money's been found 754 00:32:11,533 --> 00:32:13,700 The church can get the money back. 755 00:32:13,766 --> 00:32:15,633 It's what Jeff would have wanted. 756 00:32:15,700 --> 00:32:17,600 But everyone thinks you took it. 757 00:32:17,666 --> 00:32:20,700 God's grace is like that sometimes. 758 00:32:20,766 --> 00:32:22,133 It doesn't matter. 759 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,533 As long as the church gets the money back. 760 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,000 In light of these revelations, do the people wish 761 00:32:29,067 --> 00:32:32,033 to amend their case against Todd Monroe? 762 00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:33,833 Your Honor, we need time to investigate 763 00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:35,133 and authenticate these documents. 764 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,234 You have 36 hours, Ms. Chase. 765 00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:40,133 At that time, I'll hear from counsel again 766 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,466 and if not satisfied, 767 00:32:41,533 --> 00:32:43,566 I will entertain a motion to amend 768 00:32:43,633 --> 00:32:45,800 i can dismss the charge against mr. ... 769 00:32:50,716 --> 00:32:52,517 not going to think she stole the building fund 770 00:32:52,584 --> 00:32:54,383 and then killed her husband to keep him quiet. 771 00:32:54,450 --> 00:32:55,783 If we can link 772 00:32:55,849 --> 00:32:57,150 Todd Monroe to the offshore accounts... 773 00:32:57,217 --> 00:32:58,350 The whole point 774 00:32:58,417 --> 00:32:59,450 of an offshore account is to put it 775 00:32:59,517 --> 00:33:01,016 out of reach of U.S. authority. 776 00:33:01,083 --> 00:33:04,883 If Todd Monroe managed to steal the church building fund... 777 00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:07,383 It would have to be done electronically, 778 00:33:07,450 --> 00:33:09,016 and there's nothing like that on his computer. 779 00:33:09,083 --> 00:33:10,716 What about his mom's computer? 780 00:33:10,783 --> 00:33:12,383 Nothing of his there, either. 781 00:33:12,450 --> 00:33:14,116 Go over everything again-- 782 00:33:14,183 --> 00:33:16,217 his car, his laundry, his drum set. 783 00:33:16,283 --> 00:33:19,250 If you come up blank, we're going to have to make a deal. 784 00:33:23,217 --> 00:33:26,950 There's nothing here that wasn't here before. 785 00:33:27,016 --> 00:33:28,983 It's Joe who gave up the sauce, 786 00:33:29,050 --> 00:33:30,783 but he's sure loving the lattes. 787 00:33:30,849 --> 00:33:32,083 That's what they say. 788 00:33:32,150 --> 00:33:35,050 Go on the wagon, you get hooked on caffeine. 789 00:33:35,116 --> 00:33:37,417 What's with the receipts? 790 00:33:37,483 --> 00:33:38,983 Chocolate donuts tax deductible or something? 791 00:33:39,050 --> 00:33:40,716 I wish. 792 00:33:40,783 --> 00:33:41,716 Here's another one. 793 00:33:41,783 --> 00:33:46,016 "Greenville, Ohio." 794 00:33:46,083 --> 00:33:47,617 That's where he was picked up, remember? 795 00:33:47,684 --> 00:33:50,016 When was he picked up? 796 00:33:50,083 --> 00:33:52,083 The exact day? I don't know. 797 00:33:52,150 --> 00:33:54,617 This is dated two months ago, and it's for 30 bucks. 798 00:33:54,684 --> 00:33:57,749 Who spends 30 bucks on coffee? 799 00:33:57,816 --> 00:34:00,849 Somebody buying computer time, maybe? 800 00:34:00,916 --> 00:34:02,016 Internet cafe? 801 00:34:02,083 --> 00:34:05,250 Our boy drives out of state to go online. 802 00:34:05,317 --> 00:34:07,517 If we're lucky. 803 00:34:07,584 --> 00:34:09,350 Greenville. 804 00:34:09,417 --> 00:34:10,350 That's an hour plus. 805 00:34:10,417 --> 00:34:12,183 Depends who's driving. 806 00:34:13,517 --> 00:34:15,050 The coffee shop owner recognized him. 807 00:34:15,116 --> 00:34:17,483 Said he came in every couple of days, sat at the same station. 808 00:34:17,550 --> 00:34:19,217 Since 9-11, they back up everything 809 00:34:19,283 --> 00:34:20,849 their customers do online. 810 00:34:20,916 --> 00:34:23,883 These are messages and e-mail attachments from the Nigerians. 811 00:34:23,950 --> 00:34:25,450 We've seen all these before. 812 00:34:25,517 --> 00:34:26,483 You have, 813 00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:28,816 except they ain't from Nigeria. 814 00:34:28,883 --> 00:34:31,050 I don't understand. 815 00:34:31,116 --> 00:34:33,183 Well, tracking Todd Monroe's online trail, 816 00:34:33,250 --> 00:34:35,116 we came to a remote storage service 817 00:34:35,183 --> 00:34:36,916 where he kept hundreds of documents 818 00:34:36,983 --> 00:34:38,450 from various Nigerian e-mail scams. 819 00:34:38,517 --> 00:34:41,950 This folder is documents 820 00:34:42,016 --> 00:34:45,383 he collected by responding to actual scammers online. 821 00:34:45,450 --> 00:34:47,283 And this folder is the same content, 822 00:34:47,350 --> 00:34:48,783 but with key details altered, 823 00:34:48,849 --> 00:34:52,183 like Pastor Harris' name, the church, et cetera. 824 00:34:52,250 --> 00:34:55,050 So the money didn't disappear to Nigeria? 825 00:34:55,116 --> 00:34:56,916 He just bounced it around different proxy servers 826 00:34:56,983 --> 00:34:58,250 to make it look that way. 827 00:34:58,317 --> 00:35:00,350 You're saying he created this whole thing? 828 00:35:00,417 --> 00:35:02,250 There never were any Nigerians. 829 00:35:02,317 --> 00:35:03,749 It was Todd all along. 830 00:35:04,783 --> 00:35:06,783 (sighs) 831 00:35:10,116 --> 00:35:11,883 Because he knew Pastor Harris personally, 832 00:35:11,950 --> 00:35:14,083 Todd Monroe was able to tailor these documents 833 00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:16,183 to an extraordinary degree. 834 00:35:16,250 --> 00:35:17,617 For instance? 835 00:35:17,684 --> 00:35:21,317 For instance, in this e-mail he claimed a child 836 00:35:21,383 --> 00:35:22,950 in his fictitious Nigerian church 837 00:35:23,016 --> 00:35:25,983 was healed from cancer after intensive prayer. 838 00:35:26,050 --> 00:35:29,116 To which Pastor Harris responded, "This is a miracle. 839 00:35:29,183 --> 00:35:30,617 "Just this past week, 840 00:35:30,684 --> 00:35:32,083 "my secretary Joan Monroe's breast cancer 841 00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:33,250 "went into remission. 842 00:35:33,317 --> 00:35:35,450 God answers all our prayers." 843 00:35:35,517 --> 00:35:37,584 He played on his own mother's cancer? 844 00:35:37,650 --> 00:35:40,083 It's all part of the affinity scam, building trust 845 00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:42,417 through a common set of beliefs. 846 00:35:42,483 --> 00:35:44,383 In this way he was able to advance his purpose 847 00:35:44,450 --> 00:35:45,417 with surprising speed. 848 00:35:45,483 --> 00:35:47,450 And his goal? 849 00:35:47,517 --> 00:35:48,550 To acquire the building fund. 850 00:35:48,617 --> 00:35:49,849 Hmm. 851 00:35:49,916 --> 00:35:51,383 What's this? 852 00:35:51,450 --> 00:35:52,916 Photocopies of Martha Harris' birth certificate, 853 00:35:52,983 --> 00:35:54,883 driver's license, 854 00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:57,350 Social Security Card, credit cards, bank statements, 855 00:35:57,417 --> 00:36:00,283 everything you need to steal her identity. 856 00:36:00,350 --> 00:36:02,250 And why would he need Martha Harris' identity? 857 00:36:02,317 --> 00:36:04,617 To set up an offshore account. 858 00:36:06,050 --> 00:36:08,483 Whose idea was it 859 00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:10,217 to open a post office box together? 860 00:36:10,283 --> 00:36:11,783 Mrs. Harris'. 861 00:36:11,849 --> 00:36:14,317 She wanted a way to communicate with me without using the phone. 862 00:36:14,383 --> 00:36:15,783 In the time you spent with her, 863 00:36:15,849 --> 00:36:19,217 did Martha Harris ever mention the Nigerian scam? 864 00:36:19,283 --> 00:36:20,584 She talked about it constantly. 865 00:36:20,650 --> 00:36:21,950 Her husband had gotten one of those letters, 866 00:36:22,016 --> 00:36:23,650 and he thought the whole thing was for real. 867 00:36:23,716 --> 00:36:26,584 She couldn't believe how gullible he was. 868 00:36:26,650 --> 00:36:28,317 So she knew it was a scam? 869 00:36:28,383 --> 00:36:30,916 She said she'd seen a whole program on {i1}60 Minutes{i} about it. 870 00:36:30,983 --> 00:36:34,650 But then she got this idea to steal the church building fund. 871 00:36:34,716 --> 00:36:38,283 She wanted to pretend to be a Nigerian scammer, 872 00:36:38,350 --> 00:36:40,617 so that when she took the church building fund, 873 00:36:40,684 --> 00:36:42,350 everyone, including Pastor Harris, 874 00:36:42,417 --> 00:36:44,617 would think the Nigerians were the ones that took it, 875 00:36:44,684 --> 00:36:45,916 which is exactly what happened. 876 00:36:45,983 --> 00:36:47,916 And did Mrs. Harris ever ask you 877 00:36:47,983 --> 00:36:49,584 if you would help her with all this? 878 00:36:49,650 --> 00:36:51,650 She said I'd get half the building fund. 879 00:36:51,716 --> 00:36:53,816 Is that why you continued to see her? 880 00:36:53,883 --> 00:36:55,417 Yes. 881 00:36:55,483 --> 00:36:56,749 You used her. 882 00:36:56,816 --> 00:36:59,483 You took advantage of her loniness. 883 00:36:59,550 --> 00:37:01,050 I'm not proud of it. 884 00:37:01,116 --> 00:37:04,016 Did she instruct you on how to alter the Nigerian documents? 885 00:37:04,083 --> 00:37:06,350 She did. 886 00:37:06,417 --> 00:37:08,317 Did you steal her identity? 887 00:37:08,383 --> 00:37:10,217 No, she gave me all her info. 888 00:37:10,283 --> 00:37:12,317 She asked me to open an account in her name. 889 00:37:12,383 --> 00:37:15,183 She came up with everything. 890 00:37:15,250 --> 00:37:17,250 And did Mrs. Harris ever speak to you about why 891 00:37:17,317 --> 00:37:18,783 she wanted to steal the money? 892 00:37:18,849 --> 00:37:22,016 She wanted to get back at my mom and Brother Jeff. 893 00:37:22,083 --> 00:37:24,317 Tell us what you mean by that. 894 00:37:24,383 --> 00:37:27,617 She was convinced they were seeing each other. 895 00:37:27,684 --> 00:37:30,816 Your mother, Joan Monroe and Pastor Harris having an affair. 896 00:37:30,883 --> 00:37:32,983 And were they? 897 00:37:33,050 --> 00:37:35,584 No, but you couldn't tell her that. 898 00:37:35,650 --> 00:37:38,650 She knew if she took that money, my mom and Brother Jeff 899 00:37:38,716 --> 00:37:41,550 would get blamed for the whole thing. 900 00:37:44,083 --> 00:37:45,716 How did the nine-millimeter pistol 901 00:37:45,783 --> 00:37:48,749 that killed Pastor Jeff Harris come to be in your car? 902 00:37:48,816 --> 00:37:50,183 Mrs. Harris and I 903 00:37:50,250 --> 00:37:52,083 would drive separately down to Madison to meet. 904 00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:55,183 She didn't like being in the car by herself, 905 00:37:55,250 --> 00:37:57,083 so she asked me to get her some protection. 906 00:37:57,150 --> 00:37:58,716 So you stole your mom's gun? 907 00:37:58,783 --> 00:38:01,849 I borrowed my mom's pistol and I gave it to Mrs. Harris. 908 00:38:01,916 --> 00:38:03,383 The night Brother Jeff was killed, 909 00:38:03,450 --> 00:38:04,816 she brought it back to me, 910 00:38:04,883 --> 00:38:07,050 said she didn't want it anymore. 911 00:38:07,116 --> 00:38:08,383 Said it made her nervous. 912 00:38:08,450 --> 00:38:11,150 Next thing I know, I'm arrested for murder. 913 00:38:11,217 --> 00:38:15,783 So you hear that Pastor Harris has been killed, 914 00:38:15,849 --> 00:38:17,450 and that his wife's missing. 915 00:38:17,517 --> 00:38:19,816 The same woman who brought back the gun to you. 916 00:38:19,883 --> 00:38:20,883 And what do you do? 917 00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:22,016 Call the police? 918 00:38:22,083 --> 00:38:23,417 No. Why not? 919 00:38:23,483 --> 00:38:25,250 Because I was afraid my mom would get blamed. 920 00:38:25,317 --> 00:38:26,716 Really? 921 00:38:26,783 --> 00:38:28,250 That's touching. 922 00:38:28,317 --> 00:38:30,749 Where were you the morning after Pastor Harris was killed? 923 00:38:30,816 --> 00:38:34,716 In church, getting ready to play in the band. 924 00:38:34,783 --> 00:38:38,816 Isn't it true you went to church that morning to avoid suspicion? 925 00:38:38,883 --> 00:38:40,083 No. 926 00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:41,650 And didn't you flee two days later 927 00:38:41,716 --> 00:38:43,116 when Martha Harris was arrested, 928 00:38:43,183 --> 00:38:44,417 because you were concerned she'd identify you? 929 00:38:44,483 --> 00:38:45,716 No. And didn't you steal 930 00:38:45,783 --> 00:38:47,916 a license plate in Ohio to avoid getting caught? 931 00:38:47,983 --> 00:38:49,883 No. And weren't you taking 932 00:38:49,950 --> 00:38:51,783 the murder weapon with you in order to dispose of it 933 00:38:51,849 --> 00:38:53,150 as far from the crime scene as possible? 934 00:38:53,217 --> 00:38:55,950 No. No? 935 00:38:56,016 --> 00:38:58,650 No further questions, Your Honor. 936 00:39:08,350 --> 00:39:10,749 Todd Monroe came up with a brilliant plan. 937 00:39:10,816 --> 00:39:12,849 He saw that if he spread the poisoned promise 938 00:39:12,916 --> 00:39:15,083 of nonexistent millions-- 939 00:39:15,150 --> 00:39:17,816 remember, these people were already engaged 940 00:39:17,883 --> 00:39:19,684 in raising money to build a church-- 941 00:39:19,783 --> 00:39:21,617 he could exploit them, and he did. 942 00:39:21,684 --> 00:39:24,849 He played his pastor, the pastor's wife, 943 00:39:24,916 --> 00:39:26,450 even his own mother. 944 00:39:26,517 --> 00:39:29,684 And when Pastor Harris called on that fatal night, 945 00:39:29,749 --> 00:39:32,883 and said "I know everything," 946 00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:34,584 Todd Monroe assumed 947 00:39:34,650 --> 00:39:36,749 the pastor was talking about the money 948 00:39:36,816 --> 00:39:38,483 he'd just stolen, 949 00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:44,783 $267,000; the building fund. 950 00:39:44,849 --> 00:39:47,417 Todd Monroe was going to hang onto that money. 951 00:39:47,483 --> 00:39:49,916 He'd gone to a lot of trouble to get it. 952 00:39:49,983 --> 00:39:54,450 He had to shut Pastor Harris up. 953 00:39:54,517 --> 00:39:56,883 So he shot him. 954 00:40:11,584 --> 00:40:16,617 Todd Monroe held Pastor Harris in the highest regard. 955 00:40:16,684 --> 00:40:20,617 This was the man that had saved him from the ravages of alcohol. 956 00:40:20,684 --> 00:40:24,183 In his care, Todd Monroe was learning 957 00:40:24,250 --> 00:40:26,650 to believe in himself again. 958 00:40:26,749 --> 00:40:30,350 But it was this very vulnerability 959 00:40:30,417 --> 00:40:32,916 that Martha Harris exploited. 960 00:40:32,983 --> 00:40:35,684 She hatched the plan to take the money. 961 00:40:35,749 --> 00:40:38,250 It was her jealousy, a jealousy so blind 962 00:40:38,317 --> 00:40:41,650 that it assumed an affair where there was none. 963 00:40:41,716 --> 00:40:47,250 Ladies and gentlemen, Martha Harris had come undone. 964 00:40:49,016 --> 00:40:50,816 And my client was unlucky enough to be there 965 00:40:50,883 --> 00:40:52,050 to catch her when she fell. 966 00:40:52,116 --> 00:40:54,317 And the prosecution knows all this. 967 00:40:54,383 --> 00:40:56,883 In fact, until recently, they had been building a case 968 00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:58,617 against her. 969 00:40:58,684 --> 00:41:00,617 No wonder. 970 00:41:00,684 --> 00:41:04,783 After all, there's an offshore account with all the money 971 00:41:04,849 --> 00:41:07,317 from the church building fund with her name on it. 972 00:41:07,383 --> 00:41:11,916 Follow the money, ladies and gentlemen. 973 00:41:11,983 --> 00:41:15,816 It leads to Mrs. Harris, not Todd Monroe. 974 00:41:15,883 --> 00:41:19,483 Todd Monroe killed Pastor Harris? 975 00:41:23,350 --> 00:41:25,383 Doesn't add up. 976 00:41:45,417 --> 00:41:48,849 The case of {i1}The State of Indiana{i} {i1}v. Todd Monroe Jr.,{i} 977 00:41:48,916 --> 00:41:50,150 on the count of murder, 978 00:41:50,217 --> 00:41:52,150 the jury finds the defendant guilty. 979 00:41:52,217 --> 00:41:54,083 (gavel bangs) 980 00:42:29,749 --> 00:42:32,417 (knocking) 981 00:42:32,483 --> 00:42:38,450 I came by to thank you and Miss Chase, but she'd already gone. 982 00:42:38,517 --> 00:42:40,116 Oh, she has a little girl. 983 00:42:40,183 --> 00:42:41,116 She's gone home. 984 00:42:41,183 --> 00:42:42,116 And what about you? 985 00:42:42,183 --> 00:42:43,517 You're here so late. 986 00:42:43,584 --> 00:42:47,217 Well, I don't have a child and I'm not married. 987 00:42:47,283 --> 00:42:50,483 I imagine it would be difficult to have a family 988 00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:51,783 and do what you do. 989 00:42:51,849 --> 00:42:54,883 Part of the job. 990 00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:57,983 Yeah, I gave my whole life to the church. 991 00:42:58,050 --> 00:42:59,350 That was my job. 992 00:43:02,150 --> 00:43:05,650 Do you regret it? 993 00:43:05,716 --> 00:43:07,183 Was it worth it? 994 00:43:08,883 --> 00:43:10,417 Yes, it was. 995 00:43:14,016 --> 00:43:16,916 Please tell Miss Chase I came by. 996 00:43:16,983 --> 00:43:19,016 I will. 997 00:43:53,116 --> 00:43:57,116 Captioning sponsored by CBS 998 00:43:57,183 --> 00:44:01,183 and WARNER BROS. 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